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Imperial backwash is a concept suggested by John Updike at the end of The Coup in which the African dictator winds up in exile in France, his country’s former colonial master:

The good citizens of France no longer look up at the sight of noirs strolling down their avenues. Their African empire, which a passion for abstraction led them to carve from the most vacant sector of the continent, backed up on them a bit, like those other cartographic reservoirs for a century flooded with ink of European tints, and doused the home country with a sprinkling of dark diplomats, students, menial laborers, and political exiles.

Or, as a Washington friends notes:

There’s a joke that there’s a 20-year lag time between DC’s foreign policy and its cab drivers.

 
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  1. Bert says:

    This sort of thing only happens if you’re stupid enough to allow it.

    You don’t see million of Koreans and Chinese in Tokyo, now do you?

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    You don’t see million of Koreans and Chinese in Tokyo, now do you?

    For that, you have to go to Yokohama and Osaka.
    , @dixie
    Majority of the Japanese are from the ancient Yayoi people from the Korean Peninsula,
    http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/japanorigin.htm

    Current distribution of Japanese surnames,
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_common_surnames_in_Asia
    the single character surnames are most probably of more recent Chinese or Korean origins and they add up to more than a million, let alone those that have converted to Japanese two characters surname.

    The second richest man in Japan Masayoshi Son is the CEO of Softbank (major share owner of Yahoo and Alibaba) who is a third generation Korean immigrant to Japan,
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masayoshi_Son
    Instead of the Chinese/Korean surname Son his family has adopted the Japanese surname Yasumoto. The Chinese version of Wikipedia
    http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%AD%AB%E6%AD%A3%E7%BE%A9
    reported that in a Japanese magazine article with info allegedly from his family that they are a branch of the family of Sun Tze (the author of 'The Art of War') of China.

    Examples of the many descendants of ancient royalties who followed Zheng He back to China during the 15th century,
    Sri Lanka: http://sundaytimes.lk/020616/plus/10.html
    Philippine: http://wmsu.edu.ph/sulu-sultan-returns-home-after-600-year-journey-to-the-middle-kingdom.html
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  2. I was looking for a term that captures this idea, thanks.

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  3. syonredux says:

    The good citizens of France no longer look up at the sight of noirs strolling down their avenues. Their African empire, which a passion for abstraction led them to carve from the most vacant sector of the continent, backed up on them a bit, like those other cartographic reservoirs for a century flooded with ink of European tints, and doused the home country with a sprinkling of dark diplomats, students, menial laborers, and political exiles.

    Fantastic passage; judging on pure verbal pyrotechnics, THE COUP might be peak Updike.

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  4. Whiskey says: • Website

    Except Britain and France had African and West Indian colonies since the early 1600s.

    Finding moral lessons in foreign policy is a fools game.

    Paris and London are filled with the Third World, along with Malmo and Stockholm, bc they are weak. And the third World is strong.

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    And the third World is strong
    -----

    Whiskey, I'm really starting to like you. White materialism is the most overrated thing in the world.
    There are things the third world has that is not in the imagination of the "first" world. God has played a nasty trick on white people.
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  5. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The story of French colonialism in north Africa and other places is really the story of bitter defeat and humiliation at the hands of Britain and the consequent search for a ‘consolation’ prize in carving out an empire in the sandy wastes of north Africa and the steaming jungles of Indo China and west Africa. Basically, Britain stripped France of the prizes worth having is Canada and India, in an attempt to restore national pride pretty much uselesless, worthless regions of the globe were conquered and colonized in a fit of national ego boosting – and the longterm consequence of that wounded pride is the inevitability of a non white, Islamic France is horrific beyond belief or even any vanity.

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  6. attilathehen [AKA "Rose"] says:

    John Updike’s two daughters married blacks from Africa. He was prepping the way for this grandkids.

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    I would have two less daughters if they did that and no grandchildren from them.
    , @Danindc
    I think only one of his daughters did.
    , @OsRazor
    Only one of Updike daughters married an African (the eldest) and only after she was involved with a much older UK man of whom Updike thoroughly disapproved. Guess she showed him. I think you're thinking of one of Updike's sons, who married a black, too--no doubt, inspired by his older sister. Updike has three black grandchildren, and four white ones. An interesting genetic study would follow these seven.
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  7. jill says:

    Remember that billion dollar contract for IPads in LA schools… fraud, fraud and more fraud:

    http://www.latimes.com/local/education/la-me-deasy-ipads-20140826-story.html

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  8. asdfsdfd says:

    OT, CNBC: What your Facebook friends aren’t sharing online

    Pretty much confirms that social media isn’t really social, democratic, or for free speech but more of a method to impose the “correct” way of thinking through group think and witch hunts.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101945442

    This suggests that social media platforms may not be as useful as an alternative forum for people who express minority views.

    “Overall, the findings indicate that in the Snowden case, social media did not provide new forums for those who might otherwise remain silent to express their opinions and debate issues,” the report said.

    While the study did not specifically address why people remain silent if they feel their opinions are in the minority, it did list a few possibilities including fear of isolation, fruitless arguments and the possibility that their posts would eventually be seen by someone with authority, like an employer.

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    Pretty much confirms that social media isn’t really social, democratic, or for free speech but more of a method to impose the “correct” way of thinking through group think and witch hunts.
     
    Facebook, Twitter are used to try and extend the "You can't say that!" method of social control that already controls public and much private discourse. Thats why I dont use FB under my own name, pretty much I only use it to say that. And on Disqus, that's all I do on there, keep saying that over and over.
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  9. asdfsdfd says:

    OT: WSJ: Blacks, Latinos Dominate Silicon Valley’s ‘Invisible Workforce’

    http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/08/26/blacks-latinos-dominate-silicon-valleys-invisible-workforce/

    Blacks and Latinos make up a sizable share of low-wage workers cleaning and guarding Silicon Valley tech companies, where the technical workforces are overwhelmingly white and Asian, according to a report scheduled to be released Tuesday.

    The report, from the labor-affiliated Working Partnerships USA, comes after months of disclosures by tech companies about the ethnic and racial composition of workforces at Google Inc., Apple Inc. and other large tech companies.

    Look Steve, their discriminating against whites, and their alluding to our ghostly complexion as the “invisible workforce”.

    The report notes that most of the janitors, landscapers and security guards on corporate campuses are employed by contractors, and not by the tech firms themselves.

    “These contracted service workers – not counted on tech companies’ official employment rolls and rarely mentioned in the public discourse – constitute the Silicon Valley tech industry’s ‘invisible workforce,’ ” the report says.

    The classic employment agency contractor technique to offload “risk”.

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    Blacks, Latinos Dominate Silicon Valley’s ‘Invisible Workforce’
     
    A very dishonest headline. It's own chart shows that there are 5 times as many whites and 4 times as many asians/polynesians working as janitors in Silicon Valley as there are blacks. The commenters are outraged. This guy Jeff Elder, or the editor who is responsible for the headline, should be fired from the WSJ.
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  10. vinny says:

    Fantastic passage; judging on pure verbal pyrotechnics, THE COUP might be peak Updike.

    With that passage, I think Steve has finally convinced me to pick it up. What a sentence.

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    "THE COUP might be peak Updike."

    His next book Rabbit Is Rich won all the awards so it's reasonable to say he peaked as a literary athlete in his late 40s in The Coup / Rabbit Is Rich era. Updike was very much aware of the arc of his career, and was almost gleefully frank about how he was declining as he got older. Much of the resentment toward him was that our best candidate for an American literary immortal was very aware of his own mortality and kept churning out books at the same pace as his powers fell off rather than work longer per book.

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  11. Is this a case of imperial backwash?

    http://arxiv.org/pdf/1408.3421v1.pdf

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  12. Carl G. says:

    Updike rarely wrote anything profound, but boy did he do it with eclat. Or at least that is the general perception. My memory is hazy, but he had a piece in the New Yorker, I believe, about an intricate childhood recollection of a bathroom sink that was mesmerizing. Seriously.

    The quote by Steve’s Washington friend is priceless.

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  13. Why so many many short pieces, Steve? 100 words, 1 thought, one comment, then, the next one immediately, instead of those “old-fashioned” articles like “Sailer vs. Sampson” 2006?

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    Steve's got some personal business he has to attend to. At the beginning of the Mike Brown brew-hah-ha he said he would be cutting back for a while.

    Steve might be resting for upcoming events as well. We've got two serious wars waiting in the wings, and a possible Obama amnesty and impeachment. He won't be getting much sleep if any of those come to be.

    OT: Steve, I know you've posted about white migration out of CA, a.k.a. Go East Young Man. Have you ever though about how you were the forerunner of that? You went CA->TX->Chicago, which is pretty much backwards of how kids in your generation did it.
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  14. eah says:

    a joke

    Yes, every time I see a Sikh or Somali cab driver I burst into uncontrollable laughter.

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  15. Priss Factor [AKA "pizza with hot pepper"] says:

    https://www.facebook.com/EricBolling/photos/a.492464151276.264778.78612416276/10152213109606277/?type=1&theater

    _____ put Obama in the White House, and Obama appointed Holder.

    But the GOP continues to suck up to _____.

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  16. […] Source: Steve Sailer […]

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  17. Tiny Duck says:

    This is why the West experiences immigration. The people who have had their countries ruined are going to where there rightful wealth has been stolen. Chickens coming home to roost. What goes around comes around.

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    Not true at all. The west experiences immigration because of Jewish cultural Marxism and its own treasonous elites. Those countries were backward to begin with and it was this very fact that allowed their temporary control by the west. Sweden which gets the worst of the third world never had any overseas colonies.
    , @Lurker

    This is why the West experiences immigration. The people who have had their countries ruined are going to where there rightful wealth has been stolen. Chickens coming home to roost. What goes around comes around.
     
    Thanks for your honesty Ted, it's refreshing.

    No BS about enriching diversity or any of that crap. No, just the straight talking admission that 3rd world immigration is an attack on whites.

    Thanks again Ted.

    Of course if you're saying that mass immigration is in fact good for us and that it's payback, then you're admitting that colonialism was good for all those black & brown folks. Is that what you're doing Ted?
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  18. Clyde says:

    The colonized become the colonizers. And apologetically.

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    How exactly did the British "colonize" the sub-continent with its teeming hundreds of millions? They CONTROLLED it, (for a while) with the collusion of many Indian princes, but they hardly left any demographic footprint. I doubt there was ever one Briton in every three or four thousand people there.

    Discounting South Africa which was a bit of an oddball case (the various European populations there fought each other more then the locals), the only place in all of Africa or Asia where any serious European migration occurred was in Algeria. French settlers began arriving there in the 1830's after the slave-owning Barbary pirates (who may have taken as many as 2,000,000 Europeans as slaves) were finally crushed. Even at their peak they numbered only one million and they ethnically cleansed themselves after France left in the 1960's.
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  19. Priss Factor [AKA "pizza with hot pepper"] says:

    Even if race is nothing but a social construct, so what?

    Jewishness is a social/historical construct, but Jews care a great deal about it.
    Nations are social constructs, but Jews believe they have a right to kill for the right of a Jewish state to exist.

    Also, if race is a social construct, and if for that very reason, whites must be disassociated from race consciousness, why does PC encourage non-whites to embrace their social constructions of race?

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  20. Lot says:

    It is a tough issue. Do really want to abandon people who risked their lives to help our soldiers to their deaths by communists/islamists?

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  21. george says:

    “There’s a joke that there’s a 20-year lag time between DC’s foreign policy and its cab drivers.”

    So in 20 yrs cabs will be driven by drones?

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  22. Gordo says:

    Hence the low performance of Portugal against other European countries? 10 percent African admixture. Look ahead!

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    There is no 10 percent sub-Saharan admixture in the Portugese. Portugal is a very small country. Its best and brightest emigrated for several centuries, leaving behind a predominant population of people with 90-100 i.q. After the massive Lisbon earthquake in 1755, non-whites were expelled from the country. Today, many black Brazilians have moved to Portugal. For propaganda purposes, they include them as Portugese, thus getting an African admixture to the true Portugese population.
    , @Anonymous
    African admixture is not evenly spread among the Portuguese population. It varies by region and family with more admixture in southern Portugal than northern Portugal.
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  23. Lot says:

    the most vacant sector of the continent

    That’s pretty funny. I loved maps as a child and the colonial maps of Africa and Asia were always a favorite. Here is a version of the most popular, when Africa only had two independent states, Liberia and a rump Eritrea-less Ethiopia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramble_for_Africa#mediaviewer/File:Colonial_Africa_1913_map.svg

    These maps spurred thoughts and questions like this in my 10-year-old head:

    1. Obviously the British are the superior Europeans, with the French a solid second

    2. The Belgians and Portuguese must be pretty awesome too given their huge colonies and small size in Europe

    3. Why are the Dutch such failures compared to the Belgians? They dress the same, look the same, are the same size, and right next door.

    4. Germany, Spain, and Italy are also under-performers.

    5. Should the Anglo-Egyptian Sudan count as a point for the British, or only a half point?

    6. Why do they call the Sudan a condominium?

    7. The British get extra points for Kenya, which contain the most friendly and gregarious African people and megafauna. We saw more VHS educational videos about Kenya than the rest of Africa combined. Lots of smiling happy people dancing to upbeat traditional music.

    8. What is so special about Walves Bay that it had to get carved out of Namibia?

    9. It is a shame that Zanzibar failed to become an independent nation since it has a cool name.

    10. The British get further bonus points for being the last country with a large mainland colony: Rhodesia (yes I know the truth now!). It was quite a find when I dug up a 1980 map in a classroom closet that still listed the country as “Rhodesia (British)”

    Portugal also scores well here, having kept hold of Angola and Mozambique until the mid-70′s.

    11. Why shouldn’t everyone recognize the South African Bantustans?

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    "3. Why are the Dutch such failures compared to the Belgians? They dress the same, look the same, are the same size, and right next door."

    The Dutch failures? Hardly. They controlled what is now the fourth largest country in the world (Indonesia) right up until 1949. I always though that either the Dutch were incredible badasses or the Indonesians were some of the wimpiest people on the planet to allow such a tiny nation to dominate them for so long.

    As for Belgium controlling the Congo, technically it was not a possession of Belgium but a personal possession of Belgium's King Leopold, who gained control of it by playing the British and French off against each other. The book "King Leopold's Ghost" is an excellent read on the subject, as well as the atrocities committed against the population of the Congo during the rubber trade.
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  24. Jefferson says:

    “4. Germany, Spain, and Italy are also under-performers.”

    Yet a lot of SWPL German Americans are dumb enough to be guilt tripped about slavery even though their German ancestors did not participate in the African slave trade.

    I am Italian and it is hard to guilt trip me about slavery. I tell liberals I didn’t see any of my people in “Django Unchained” and “Roots”. All of the slave owner characters there drew their ancestry back to The United Kingdom.

    I didn’t see no Black slave in “Roots” say “hey Master Palumbo” or “hey Master Marciano”.

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    I am Italian and it is hard to guilt trip me about slavery. I tell liberals I didn’t see any of my people in “Django Unchained” and “Roots”. All of the slave owner characters there drew their ancestry back to The United Kingdom.

    I didn’t see no Black slave in “Roots” say “hey Master Palumbo” or “hey Master Marciano”.
     
    During an undergraduate seminar on racial theory that I took some years back, a student who was of Eastern European Jewish stock tried that ploy.No member of his family was in America during the era of slavery. It was the sin of the WASPS; Ellis Island types like him were untainted. The prof really lit into him, telling him that he benefited from White privilege. Hence, he was as guilty as any descendant of a slave-owner. All White Americans, she intoned, partake in the wealth that was stolen from the unpaid labor of slaves.
    , @syonredux
    Interesting side note. One of the First Families of Virginia is of Italian origin:

    Taliaferro (/ˈtɒlɪvər/ tol-i-vər), also spelled Tagliaferro, Talifero, Tellifero, Tolliver, or Toliver,[1] is a prominent family in the United States Commonwealth of Virginia. The Taliaferros (originally Tagliaferro, Italian pronunciation: [ˌtaʎʎaˈfɛrro], which means "ironcutter" in Italian) are one of the early families who settled in Virginia in the 17th century. They migrated from London, where an ancestor had served as a musician in the court of Queen Elizabeth I. The surname in that line is believed to trace back to Bartholomew Taliaferro, a native of Venice who settled in London and was made a denizen in 1562.[2]
     
    Two of its more distinguished members:

    Richard Taliaferro (c. 1705–1779) (pronounced as if it were spelled Tolliver) was a colonial architect and builder in Williamsburg, Virginia. Among his works is Wythe House, a Georgian-style building that was built in 1750 or 1755. It was declared a U.S. National Historic Landmark in 1970.[1][2][3][4] Other works were public buildings, including the Governor's Palace, the Capitol, and the President's House at the College of William & Mary.[5]

    Richard Taliaferro, born about 1705, lived most of his adult life at his plantation, Powhatan, in James City County outside Williamsburg. Taliaferro built the Wythe House in Williamsburg for his daughter, Elizabeth, and her husband, George Wythe. In his 1775 will, he gave them life tenancy in the house upon his death: "In the name of God Amen, I, Richard Taliaferro of the Parish and county of James City, being aged, but of sound mind and memory, do make my last will and testament as forth with. I give and desire my house and lotts in the city of Williamsburg situate on the west side of Palace Street, and on the North side of the Church yard, to my son-in-law Mr. George Wythe and his wife, my daughter Elizabeth during their lives. ...and I do hereby constitute and appoint my Son-in-law the said George Wythe and my said son Richard Taliaferro Executors of this my last will and testament, hereby revoking all former wills by me made."

    Taliaferro died in 1779 at the age of 74 "with the gout in his head." [6]
     
    William Booth Taliaferro (who pronounced his Italian surname as "tah'-liver") was born in Gloucester County, Virginia, to a prominent family of English-Italian origin who settled in Virginia in the 17th century. He was the nephew of James A. Seddon, who would become Secretary of War for the Confederate States of America under Jefferson Davis. Taliaferro attended Harvard University and William and Mary College, graduating from the latter in 1841.

    Taliaferro joined the U.S. Army during the Mexican-American War, fighting in both the 11th and 9th U.S. Infantry regiments. After the war, Taliaferro entered public life, serving as a member of the Virginia House of Delegates and as a prominent backer of James Buchanan's presidential campaign in 1856. He also continued his military service as commander of a division of the Virginia state militia; he commanded at Harpers Ferry following the raid of that town's arsenal by John Brown.

    Civil War[edit]
    Taliaferro became commander of Virginia's state militia following Virginia's secession in 1861; he later took command of the 23rd Virginia Infantry as a colonel. He fought several engagements in 1861 and by the end of the year had ascended to brigade command, where he led Confederate forces at the Battle of Greenbrier River, in what is now West Virginia.

    Taliaferro's Brigade came under Maj. Gen. Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson's command at the end of 1861. He remained with Jackson for some months, rising to division command in 1862. Taliaferro was seriously injured at the Battle of Second Bull Run (Second Manassas), but returned to the field in the time for the Battle of Fredericksburg, his last battle under Jackson.

    Taliaferro was a strict and aloof commander who alienated many of his troops. There is at least one known circumstance when one of his troops actually assaulted him, though Taliaferro was unscathed. Taliaferro chafed under the command of General Jackson, complaining to his political colleagues in Virginia about Jackson's tactics and treatment of the men. Jackson later protested Taliaferro's promotion to brigadier general, while Taliaferro was still under Jackson's command; however, Jackson respected Taliaferro's leadership and military ability and did not continue to stand in his way. Jackson later would select Taliaferro for temporary divisional command in specific engagements.

    After Fredericksburg, Taliaferro was given command of the District of Savannah. In this capacity he led troops at the Battle of Fort Wagner on Morris Island, a battle that has since been depicted in the movie Glory. Taliaferro was commended for his service in that battle.

    In 1864, Taliaferro was given command of all forces in the Eastern district of Florida, which made him the overall commander at the Battle of Olustee that February. He subsequently returned to South Carolina, where he was made commander of all forces in that state. Taliaferro was still in command when Maj. Gen. William T. Sherman entered the state from Savannah. Taliaferro returned to Virginia when the Army of South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida surrendered later that year.


    After the war, Taliaferro lived in Gloucester County. He served again in the state legislature and as a judge and sat on the board of the College of William and Mary and the Virginia Military Institute. He died at his home, "Dunham Massie", aged 75, and is buried in Ware Church Cemetery, Gloucester County, Virginia. His collected papers are located at the Special Collections Research Center at the College of William and Mary.[1]
     
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  25. Jefferson says:

    ““4. Germany, Spain, and Italy are also under-performers.”

    The Spanish did participate in the African slave trade, yet no Conquistador today feels racial guilt about enslaving Blacks in countries like Cuba and Panama for example.

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  26. Jefferson says:

    An African American Muslim named Douglas McArthur McCain went to Syria to join ISIS and now he is dead just like Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin.

    He was killed by a rival terrorist group Al-Nusra Front.

    When is the war on Black men going to end ?

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  27. Hence the low performance of Portugal against other European countries? 10 percent African admixture. Look ahead!

    Not really. The Portuguese spent decades and eras “combating” sub-Saharan black admixture by adopting the Arab tactic of “castrate the black male, impregnate the black female”. The problem is that by using the same white males to impregnate different black women, a lot of the kids ended up having the same paternal father. Now repeat that for the mixed-raced girls getting impregnated by a certain number of white males over generations and a lot of the same genetics ended up clustered together. That equals massive inbreeding.

    Portugal is too inbred, just like the Middle East.

    Both North Africa and the Middle East have black ancestry in the single digits (meaning it’s around 1-5% on average, and less than 10%) because the historic Arab slave trade impregnated black females (East African females) while they castrated the black males. Black ancestry is there but it’s not big. The biggest problem in North Africa and the Middle East is cousin marriage. It’s the combination of cousin marriage, polygamy, arranged marriages, colorism/caste system (e.g. mating with lighter-skinned Caucasians and Asians to have fairer children) and inbreeding all rolled into one. All of these family customs kept Middle Eastern ancestry “preserved”, but it lead to excessive inbreeding.

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  28. @vinny

    Fantastic passage; judging on pure verbal pyrotechnics, THE COUP might be peak Updike.
     
    With that passage, I think Steve has finally convinced me to pick it up. What a sentence.

    “THE COUP might be peak Updike.”

    His next book Rabbit Is Rich won all the awards so it’s reasonable to say he peaked as a literary athlete in his late 40s in The Coup / Rabbit Is Rich era. Updike was very much aware of the arc of his career, and was almost gleefully frank about how he was declining as he got older. Much of the resentment toward him was that our best candidate for an American literary immortal was very aware of his own mortality and kept churning out books at the same pace as his powers fell off rather than work longer per book.

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    It's one of the most amazing studies to look at the careers of Updike and Roth. While Updike reached his peak before his 50s and seemed to coast along experimenting with different techniques and styles, Roth seemed to have hit a rut and was discounted, only to be heralded as the greatest of all time with his stuff beginning with American Pastoral. which he wrote when he was in his early 60s. The contrast was so severe--Updike a giant, Roth going nowhere0--that Roth was apparently driven to a breakdown when Updike gave a lukewarm and backhanded review to Roth's book Operation Shylock. Interestingly, Updike had no patience for Wolfe's social realism, thought it was garbage filled with cardboard figures lacking any substance.
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  29. Jefferson says:

    Hussein Obama’s Harvard mentor compares Michael Brown to Martin Luther King.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/26/obamas-harvard-mentor-compares-brown-shooting-mlk-/

    So that means we should also compare the unarmed White man Dillon Taylor who was killed by a Black police officer, to Robert F. Kennedy. After all Robert was killed the same year as Martin.

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  30. I would also nominate 1984′s Witches of Eastwick as the final work of Updike’s prime. It’s as lushly written as The Coup, and has numerous sequences that make you want to stand and cheer the author when you finish them. Ideologically, it is Updike’s “amti-feminist” novel; Updike explained in an interview on the CSpan program “In Depth” that it was his cynical answer to the common idea that society would be compassionate and unselfish if women ran things. Updike’s witches have a great deal of power granted to them supernaturally, and then they use it to break up marriages and give their romantic rivals terminal cancer.

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  31. Flip says:
    @attilathehen
    John Updike's two daughters married blacks from Africa. He was prepping the way for this grandkids.

    I would have two less daughters if they did that and no grandchildren from them.

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  32. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    This is why the West experiences immigration. The people who have had their countries ruined are going to where there rightful wealth has been stolen. Chickens coming home to roost. What goes around comes around.

    Not true at all. The west experiences immigration because of Jewish cultural Marxism and its own treasonous elites. Those countries were backward to begin with and it was this very fact that allowed their temporary control by the west. Sweden which gets the worst of the third world never had any overseas colonies.

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    The west experiences immigration because of Jewish cultural Marxism and its own treasonous elites.
     
    Cultural Marxism is just a tool, not a cause. For hundreds of years European aristocrats used Jews as middlemen to do their dirty work and give the peasantry a target for their anger. This is basically what is happening today. I'm not sure it makes much sense to call elites "treasonous" when most of the European elites never really liked the idea of nation states to begin with. If you take the long view, the rise of the nation state and national identity is the anomaly. For much of European history, elites viewed their subject peoples as little more than revenue producers and soldiers, and would happily move different groups around if it made their own lives easier. We seem to be reverting to a post-modern version of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. On the other hand, East Asians actually have a far more deep rooted sense of a continuity between ethnicity and political organization than Europeans do, which doesn't bode well for the West long term.
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  33. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Clyde
    The colonized become the colonizers. And apologetically.

    How exactly did the British “colonize” the sub-continent with its teeming hundreds of millions? They CONTROLLED it, (for a while) with the collusion of many Indian princes, but they hardly left any demographic footprint. I doubt there was ever one Briton in every three or four thousand people there.

    Discounting South Africa which was a bit of an oddball case (the various European populations there fought each other more then the locals), the only place in all of Africa or Asia where any serious European migration occurred was in Algeria. French settlers began arriving there in the 1830′s after the slave-owning Barbary pirates (who may have taken as many as 2,000,000 Europeans as slaves) were finally crushed. Even at their peak they numbered only one million and they ethnically cleansed themselves after France left in the 1960′s.

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  34. Twinkie says:

    “There’s a joke that there’s a 20-year lag time between DC’s foreign policy and its cab drivers.”

    Alas, the lag time between foreign policy and ethnic restaurants is considerably shorter. I recently had some kebobs at an Afghan-run restaurant in metro-DC where the proprietor (a Tajik, I gathered from the Dari he spoke) indignantly told me how the American invasion led to a corrupt government that stole all his family businesses and money and forced them to flee… to America.

    He said, finally, “There was order with the Taliban. They didn’t go around stealing people’s business and money.”

    I guess he forgot about decapitating school girls at soccer stadiums and such. This episode lends further evidence to two lessons. First, most people crave security, not freedom. Second, liberators from oppression are rarely appreciated (or as the mysterious Frenchman in the film “Ronin” says “At the end of the day, we are likely to be punished for our kindness”).

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  35. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I guess he forgot about decapitating school girls at soccer stadiums and such.

    How many Afghans has the U.S. murdered with its bullets and bombs? How many has it tortured?

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    "How many Afghans has the U.S. murdered with its bullets and bombs? How many has it tortured?"

    How many?

    Also, is decapitating a little girl at a soccer stadium as a public spectacle morally equivalent to death by combat or unintentionally collateral damage in war?
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  36. Lugash says:
    @Theosebeios
    Why so many many short pieces, Steve? 100 words, 1 thought, one comment, then, the next one immediately, instead of those "old-fashioned" articles like "Sailer vs. Sampson" 2006?

    Steve’s got some personal business he has to attend to. At the beginning of the Mike Brown brew-hah-ha he said he would be cutting back for a while.

    Steve might be resting for upcoming events as well. We’ve got two serious wars waiting in the wings, and a possible Obama amnesty and impeachment. He won’t be getting much sleep if any of those come to be.

    OT: Steve, I know you’ve posted about white migration out of CA, a.k.a. Go East Young Man. Have you ever though about how you were the forerunner of that? You went CA->TX->Chicago, which is pretty much backwards of how kids in your generation did it.

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  37. Jefferson says:

    Twinkie how do you feel about the British government lumping in Pakistanis and Afghanis into the same racial category as your people the Orientals ?

    Muslims are giving “Asians” a bad name in Great Britain.

    Do you feel the same way about Pakis being classified as “Asian” as White feels about darker skin Hispanic criminals being classified as “White” by the FBI ?

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    "Twinkie how do you feel about the British government lumping in Pakistanis and Afghanis into the same racial category as your people the Orientals ?"

    First of all, "my people" are my wife, my children, her folks and our friends and neighbors, who are by and large white. I do not feel any kinship or sense of belonging toward other Orientals. I suppose that's rather like an American of Irish descent not feeling any camaraderie toward Germans or Russians.

    Technically Pakistanis and Afghans are Asians as they hail from Asia. But the Brits should be more precise and call them South Asians (or Central Asians for the Afghans especially if they are Tajik or Uzbeks and perhaps East Asians for Hazaras).

    "Do you feel the same way about Pakis being classified as 'Asian' as White feels about darker skin Hispanic criminals being classified as 'White' by the FBI ?"

    I think Pakistanis being classified as Asian in Britain is simply imprecise and confusing. The lumping of Hispanics with whites statistically in this country, I suspect, is politically motivated and I find it greatly egregious. My wife's Midwestern Anglo-Germano-Swedish descended folks are very different from even the whitest of rich Mexicanos from Mexico City. Wogs begin at Calais and all that (although technically Germany and Sweden are to east of Calais, you get the point).

    I am a herediterian, which is to say that I believe both genetics and environment matter. Some folks here seem to mirror the error of the environmentarians who assign everything to "nurture" and similarly attribute causation entirely to one thing, genetics. In my view, genes and heredity are extremely important, but culture matters too. Even though I am reasonably well-to-do, I'd rather drink canned beer with Scotch-Irish Appalachians than spend time with astronomically rich white Mexicans (which I have done). I just don't care for the people who are elites in a highly exploitative and corrupt culture... neither do I feel much affinity for the sheep-like exploited in the said culture.
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  38. @Lot

    the most vacant sector of the continent
     
    That's pretty funny. I loved maps as a child and the colonial maps of Africa and Asia were always a favorite. Here is a version of the most popular, when Africa only had two independent states, Liberia and a rump Eritrea-less Ethiopia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramble_for_Africa#mediaviewer/File:Colonial_Africa_1913_map.svg


    These maps spurred thoughts and questions like this in my 10-year-old head:

    1. Obviously the British are the superior Europeans, with the French a solid second

    2. The Belgians and Portuguese must be pretty awesome too given their huge colonies and small size in Europe

    3. Why are the Dutch such failures compared to the Belgians? They dress the same, look the same, are the same size, and right next door.

    4. Germany, Spain, and Italy are also under-performers.

    5. Should the Anglo-Egyptian Sudan count as a point for the British, or only a half point?

    6. Why do they call the Sudan a condominium?

    7. The British get extra points for Kenya, which contain the most friendly and gregarious African people and megafauna. We saw more VHS educational videos about Kenya than the rest of Africa combined. Lots of smiling happy people dancing to upbeat traditional music.

    8. What is so special about Walves Bay that it had to get carved out of Namibia?

    9. It is a shame that Zanzibar failed to become an independent nation since it has a cool name.

    10. The British get further bonus points for being the last country with a large mainland colony: Rhodesia (yes I know the truth now!). It was quite a find when I dug up a 1980 map in a classroom closet that still listed the country as "Rhodesia (British)"

    Portugal also scores well here, having kept hold of Angola and Mozambique until the mid-70's.

    11. Why shouldn't everyone recognize the South African Bantustans?

    “3. Why are the Dutch such failures compared to the Belgians? They dress the same, look the same, are the same size, and right next door.”

    The Dutch failures? Hardly. They controlled what is now the fourth largest country in the world (Indonesia) right up until 1949. I always though that either the Dutch were incredible badasses or the Indonesians were some of the wimpiest people on the planet to allow such a tiny nation to dominate them for so long.

    As for Belgium controlling the Congo, technically it was not a possession of Belgium but a personal possession of Belgium’s King Leopold, who gained control of it by playing the British and French off against each other. The book “King Leopold’s Ghost” is an excellent read on the subject, as well as the atrocities committed against the population of the Congo during the rubber trade.

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    As for Belgium controlling the Congo, technically it was not a possession of Belgium but a personal possession of Belgium’s King Leopold, who gained control of it by playing the British and French off against each other.
     
    Nonsense.

    1 Congo Free State, 1884–1908
    2 Belgian colony, 1908–1960

    24 years under King Leopold, 52 years as the Belgian Congo

    There's a lot of misinformation on Belgium's activities in Africa, at least in English language material, I wouldn't know about French. Presumably the Brits liked to draw attention away from their activities by making bones about someone else being even worse.

    Surely by the end it was the very image of paternal white governance.
    http://radishmag.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/1955-05-boom-in-the-jungle.pdf
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  39. Lurker says:
    @asdfsdfd
    OT, CNBC: What your Facebook friends aren’t sharing online

    Pretty much confirms that social media isn't really social, democratic, or for free speech but more of a method to impose the "correct" way of thinking through group think and witch hunts.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101945442

    This suggests that social media platforms may not be as useful as an alternative forum for people who express minority views.

    "Overall, the findings indicate that in the Snowden case, social media did not provide new forums for those who might otherwise remain silent to express their opinions and debate issues," the report said.

    While the study did not specifically address why people remain silent if they feel their opinions are in the minority, it did list a few possibilities including fear of isolation, fruitless arguments and the possibility that their posts would eventually be seen by someone with authority, like an employer.
     

    Pretty much confirms that social media isn’t really social, democratic, or for free speech but more of a method to impose the “correct” way of thinking through group think and witch hunts.

    Facebook, Twitter are used to try and extend the “You can’t say that!” method of social control that already controls public and much private discourse. Thats why I dont use FB under my own name, pretty much I only use it to say that. And on Disqus, that’s all I do on there, keep saying that over and over.

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  40. Lurker says:
    @Tiny Duck
    This is why the West experiences immigration. The people who have had their countries ruined are going to where there rightful wealth has been stolen. Chickens coming home to roost. What goes around comes around.

    This is why the West experiences immigration. The people who have had their countries ruined are going to where there rightful wealth has been stolen. Chickens coming home to roost. What goes around comes around.

    Thanks for your honesty Ted, it’s refreshing.

    No BS about enriching diversity or any of that crap. No, just the straight talking admission that 3rd world immigration is an attack on whites.

    Thanks again Ted.

    Of course if you’re saying that mass immigration is in fact good for us and that it’s payback, then you’re admitting that colonialism was good for all those black & brown folks. Is that what you’re doing Ted?

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  41. attilathehen [AKA "Rose"] says:
    @Gordo
    Hence the low performance of Portugal against other European countries? 10 percent African admixture. Look ahead!

    There is no 10 percent sub-Saharan admixture in the Portugese. Portugal is a very small country. Its best and brightest emigrated for several centuries, leaving behind a predominant population of people with 90-100 i.q. After the massive Lisbon earthquake in 1755, non-whites were expelled from the country. Today, many black Brazilians have moved to Portugal. For propaganda purposes, they include them as Portugese, thus getting an African admixture to the true Portugese population.

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  42. Hacienda says:
    @Whiskey
    Except Britain and France had African and West Indian colonies since the early 1600s.

    Finding moral lessons in foreign policy is a fools game.

    Paris and London are filled with the Third World, along with Malmo and Stockholm, bc they are weak. And the third World is strong.

    And the third World is strong
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    Whiskey, I’m really starting to like you. White materialism is the most overrated thing in the world.
    There are things the third world has that is not in the imagination of the “first” world. God has played a nasty trick on white people.

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  43. Again, not true. The SSA admix is higher than 10% in North Africa, as well as across a lot of the Arabian Peninsula. I do agree with you that the Arab world has a variety of problems. Lots and lots of them.

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    SSA admixture is less than 10% in some North African populations such as the Kabyle and Riffian Berbers. It is also less than 10% among most Muslim Arab groups in the Levant.
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  44. Jason says:

    Sweden is being absolutely flooded with Africans and Muslims. Is this the result of some vast Swedish Empire in the 20th century?

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  45. @ Twinkie

    Afghans are hardly the best population to extrapolate that from. Most Afghans are pious Muslims, who are hardly going to feel much gratitude for dhimmis, no matter what the dhimmis do.

    The less pious Kosovo Albanians, for example, love the US, and worship Bill Clinton. (Though they also have a lot of terrorist nutcases in their ranks, as all Muslim populations do.)

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    "Afghans are hardly the best population to extrapolate that from. Most Afghans are pious Muslims, who are hardly going to feel much gratitude for dhimmis, no matter what the dhimmis do."

    This particular Afghan appeared not to be religious at all. He just seemed rather perturbed that our government's policy resulted in an an unstable, corrupt government that destroyed his family's wealth.

    Of course the Kosovars love us. We sided with them against the Serbs in an ethnic war. We also did not occupy their country. Still, I wonder how long that "love" will last.

    Frogs don't seem grateful at all and the last time I checked most are not pious Muslims, at least not yet. Indeed, even at the time of their liberation, some GIs were dismayed to find that some of the good folks of Normandy grumbled about the said liberation, because a good number of them actually had it rather good under the Nazi occupation and were not too keen on their farms and businesses being disturbed by the invasion of Fortress Europa.

    Curiously enough, the folks who genuinely seem the most helpful in the world to our cause seem to be 1) the Brits with whom we fought two wars (one of them quite existential on our side) and who burnt our capital and 2) the Japanese whose two large cities were pulverized by us in what remain to be the only two instances of nuclear weapons use in history.

    Although I should mark the Singaporeans with an honorable mention. They really seem to love having our fleet around and show gratitude in every way possible. I guess they like having a big brother who guarantees their independence.
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  46. @Jason

    Nope, it’s the result of Swedes being the most batshit crazy nation in an already crazy Europe. I’m hoping they pull through it in the end somehow, though.

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  47. – Middle Easterners are more likely to be heavily inbred (e.g. polygamy, cousin marriage, caste system, arranged marriages). That explains their numerous cases of birth defects.

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  48. @ Jefferson – I’m not Twinkie, but I can offer two small tips.

    Pakistanis are Central Asian, hence technically they are Asian, albeit a more Caucasoid (Central Asian) type and are written as “Asian” in Britain. Meanwhile, East Asians (e.g. Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Taiwanese), or the Southeast Asians (e.g. Thai, Vietnamese) tend to be more Mongoloid.

    On the other hand, “Hispanic” criminals in the United States of America are Amerindian, or Native American Indian descent. They’re not White Mediterranean for sure (e.g. Portugal, Italy, Spain, Greece, Romania).

    They’re the Aztec (predominantly Native Amerindian) underclass from Central and South America. I agree though that it’s preposterous to call an Amerindian “Hispanic”, since they’re violent savages, matriarchal and quite dark-skinned.

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  49. Danindc says:
    @attilathehen
    John Updike's two daughters married blacks from Africa. He was prepping the way for this grandkids.

    I think only one of his daughters did.

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  50. I am old enough to remember school textbooks from the 1960′s about the great wide world. In them, a modern 2014 person would not believe the optimism expressed about Africa. The schools and hospitals were all clean and well run, the books seemed to convey a message that Africa was just one step from becoming like the First World. In reality, Africa has gotten much worse and we have become more like the Third World. You can see some of this in the John Wayne movie Hatari!. There were many delusions going around in the 1960′s.

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    "You can see some of this in the John Wayne movie Hatari!."

    Right. Then there was a TV show in 1966-69 called Daktari about an animal research center in East Africa. I liked that show. I met Judy the Chimp from the show at a neighborhood store opening:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daktari

    , @Steve Sailer
    Similarly, the seminal 1966 surf documentary "Endless Summer" starts out with a visit to Senegal and Nigeria.
    , @Anonymous
    "There were many delusions going around in the 1960's".

    SO TRUE. So many of the political problems we have now originated from that strange decade.
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  51. @Name Withheld
    I am old enough to remember school textbooks from the 1960's about the great wide world. In them, a modern 2014 person would not believe the optimism expressed about Africa. The schools and hospitals were all clean and well run, the books seemed to convey a message that Africa was just one step from becoming like the First World. In reality, Africa has gotten much worse and we have become more like the Third World. You can see some of this in the John Wayne movie Hatari!. There were many delusions going around in the 1960's.

    “You can see some of this in the John Wayne movie Hatari!.”

    Right. Then there was a TV show in 1966-69 called Daktari about an animal research center in East Africa. I liked that show. I met Judy the Chimp from the show at a neighborhood store opening:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daktari

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  52. @Name Withheld
    I am old enough to remember school textbooks from the 1960's about the great wide world. In them, a modern 2014 person would not believe the optimism expressed about Africa. The schools and hospitals were all clean and well run, the books seemed to convey a message that Africa was just one step from becoming like the First World. In reality, Africa has gotten much worse and we have become more like the Third World. You can see some of this in the John Wayne movie Hatari!. There were many delusions going around in the 1960's.

    Similarly, the seminal 1966 surf documentary “Endless Summer” starts out with a visit to Senegal and Nigeria.

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  53. Bert says:

    I’m now convinced that this comment box is infested with leftist trolls who pretend to agree with us and always steer the conversation towards admixture in an attempt to make this place look bad.

    I mean, look at comment #21. Completely unsolicited, and has nothing to do with the subject of Steve’s post, yet there it is.

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  54. @Bert
    This sort of thing only happens if you're stupid enough to allow it.

    You don't see million of Koreans and Chinese in Tokyo, now do you?

    You don’t see million of Koreans and Chinese in Tokyo, now do you?

    For that, you have to go to Yokohama and Osaka.

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  55. dixie says:
    @Bert
    This sort of thing only happens if you're stupid enough to allow it.

    You don't see million of Koreans and Chinese in Tokyo, now do you?

    Majority of the Japanese are from the ancient Yayoi people from the Korean Peninsula,

    http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/japanorigin.htm

    Current distribution of Japanese surnames,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_common_surnames_in_Asia

    the single character surnames are most probably of more recent Chinese or Korean origins and they add up to more than a million, let alone those that have converted to Japanese two characters surname.

    The second richest man in Japan Masayoshi Son is the CEO of Softbank (major share owner of Yahoo and Alibaba) who is a third generation Korean immigrant to Japan,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masayoshi_Son

    Instead of the Chinese/Korean surname Son his family has adopted the Japanese surname Yasumoto. The Chinese version of Wikipedia

    http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%AD%AB%E6%AD%A3%E7%BE%A9

    reported that in a Japanese magazine article with info allegedly from his family that they are a branch of the family of Sun Tze (the author of ‘The Art of War’) of China.

    Examples of the many descendants of ancient royalties who followed Zheng He back to China during the 15th century,
    Sri Lanka: http://sundaytimes.lk/020616/plus/10.html
    Philippine: http://wmsu.edu.ph/sulu-sultan-returns-home-after-600-year-journey-to-the-middle-kingdom.html

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  56. @Hapalong Cassidy
    "3. Why are the Dutch such failures compared to the Belgians? They dress the same, look the same, are the same size, and right next door."

    The Dutch failures? Hardly. They controlled what is now the fourth largest country in the world (Indonesia) right up until 1949. I always though that either the Dutch were incredible badasses or the Indonesians were some of the wimpiest people on the planet to allow such a tiny nation to dominate them for so long.

    As for Belgium controlling the Congo, technically it was not a possession of Belgium but a personal possession of Belgium's King Leopold, who gained control of it by playing the British and French off against each other. The book "King Leopold's Ghost" is an excellent read on the subject, as well as the atrocities committed against the population of the Congo during the rubber trade.

    As for Belgium controlling the Congo, technically it was not a possession of Belgium but a personal possession of Belgium’s King Leopold, who gained control of it by playing the British and French off against each other.

    Nonsense.

    1 Congo Free State, 1884–1908
    2 Belgian colony, 1908–1960

    24 years under King Leopold, 52 years as the Belgian Congo

    There’s a lot of misinformation on Belgium’s activities in Africa, at least in English language material, I wouldn’t know about French. Presumably the Brits liked to draw attention away from their activities by making bones about someone else being even worse.

    Surely by the end it was the very image of paternal white governance.

    http://radishmag.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/1955-05-boom-in-the-jungle.pdf

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  57. syonredux says:
    @Jefferson
    "4. Germany, Spain, and Italy are also under-performers."

    Yet a lot of SWPL German Americans are dumb enough to be guilt tripped about slavery even though their German ancestors did not participate in the African slave trade.

    I am Italian and it is hard to guilt trip me about slavery. I tell liberals I didn't see any of my people in "Django Unchained" and "Roots". All of the slave owner characters there drew their ancestry back to The United Kingdom.

    I didn't see no Black slave in "Roots" say "hey Master Palumbo" or "hey Master Marciano".

    I am Italian and it is hard to guilt trip me about slavery. I tell liberals I didn’t see any of my people in “Django Unchained” and “Roots”. All of the slave owner characters there drew their ancestry back to The United Kingdom.

    I didn’t see no Black slave in “Roots” say “hey Master Palumbo” or “hey Master Marciano”.

    During an undergraduate seminar on racial theory that I took some years back, a student who was of Eastern European Jewish stock tried that ploy.No member of his family was in America during the era of slavery. It was the sin of the WASPS; Ellis Island types like him were untainted. The prof really lit into him, telling him that he benefited from White privilege. Hence, he was as guilty as any descendant of a slave-owner. All White Americans, she intoned, partake in the wealth that was stolen from the unpaid labor of slaves.

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  58. syonredux says:
    @Jefferson
    "4. Germany, Spain, and Italy are also under-performers."

    Yet a lot of SWPL German Americans are dumb enough to be guilt tripped about slavery even though their German ancestors did not participate in the African slave trade.

    I am Italian and it is hard to guilt trip me about slavery. I tell liberals I didn't see any of my people in "Django Unchained" and "Roots". All of the slave owner characters there drew their ancestry back to The United Kingdom.

    I didn't see no Black slave in "Roots" say "hey Master Palumbo" or "hey Master Marciano".

    Interesting side note. One of the First Families of Virginia is of Italian origin:

    Taliaferro (/ˈtɒlɪvər/ tol-i-vər), also spelled Tagliaferro, Talifero, Tellifero, Tolliver, or Toliver,[1] is a prominent family in the United States Commonwealth of Virginia. The Taliaferros (originally Tagliaferro, Italian pronunciation: [ˌtaʎʎaˈfɛrro], which means “ironcutter” in Italian) are one of the early families who settled in Virginia in the 17th century. They migrated from London, where an ancestor had served as a musician in the court of Queen Elizabeth I. The surname in that line is believed to trace back to Bartholomew Taliaferro, a native of Venice who settled in London and was made a denizen in 1562.[2]

    Two of its more distinguished members:

    Richard Taliaferro (c. 1705–1779) (pronounced as if it were spelled Tolliver) was a colonial architect and builder in Williamsburg, Virginia. Among his works is Wythe House, a Georgian-style building that was built in 1750 or 1755. It was declared a U.S. National Historic Landmark in 1970.[1][2][3][4] Other works were public buildings, including the Governor’s Palace, the Capitol, and the President’s House at the College of William & Mary.[5]

    Richard Taliaferro, born about 1705, lived most of his adult life at his plantation, Powhatan, in James City County outside Williamsburg. Taliaferro built the Wythe House in Williamsburg for his daughter, Elizabeth, and her husband, George Wythe. In his 1775 will, he gave them life tenancy in the house upon his death: “In the name of God Amen, I, Richard Taliaferro of the Parish and county of James City, being aged, but of sound mind and memory, do make my last will and testament as forth with. I give and desire my house and lotts in the city of Williamsburg situate on the west side of Palace Street, and on the North side of the Church yard, to my son-in-law Mr. George Wythe and his wife, my daughter Elizabeth during their lives. …and I do hereby constitute and appoint my Son-in-law the said George Wythe and my said son Richard Taliaferro Executors of this my last will and testament, hereby revoking all former wills by me made.”

    Taliaferro died in 1779 at the age of 74 “with the gout in his head.” [6]

    William Booth Taliaferro (who pronounced his Italian surname as “tah’-liver”) was born in Gloucester County, Virginia, to a prominent family of English-Italian origin who settled in Virginia in the 17th century. He was the nephew of James A. Seddon, who would become Secretary of War for the Confederate States of America under Jefferson Davis. Taliaferro attended Harvard University and William and Mary College, graduating from the latter in 1841.

    Taliaferro joined the U.S. Army during the Mexican-American War, fighting in both the 11th and 9th U.S. Infantry regiments. After the war, Taliaferro entered public life, serving as a member of the Virginia House of Delegates and as a prominent backer of James Buchanan’s presidential campaign in 1856. He also continued his military service as commander of a division of the Virginia state militia; he commanded at Harpers Ferry following the raid of that town’s arsenal by John Brown.

    Civil War[edit]
    Taliaferro became commander of Virginia’s state militia following Virginia’s secession in 1861; he later took command of the 23rd Virginia Infantry as a colonel. He fought several engagements in 1861 and by the end of the year had ascended to brigade command, where he led Confederate forces at the Battle of Greenbrier River, in what is now West Virginia.

    Taliaferro’s Brigade came under Maj. Gen. Thomas J. “Stonewall” Jackson’s command at the end of 1861. He remained with Jackson for some months, rising to division command in 1862. Taliaferro was seriously injured at the Battle of Second Bull Run (Second Manassas), but returned to the field in the time for the Battle of Fredericksburg, his last battle under Jackson.

    Taliaferro was a strict and aloof commander who alienated many of his troops. There is at least one known circumstance when one of his troops actually assaulted him, though Taliaferro was unscathed. Taliaferro chafed under the command of General Jackson, complaining to his political colleagues in Virginia about Jackson’s tactics and treatment of the men. Jackson later protested Taliaferro’s promotion to brigadier general, while Taliaferro was still under Jackson’s command; however, Jackson respected Taliaferro’s leadership and military ability and did not continue to stand in his way. Jackson later would select Taliaferro for temporary divisional command in specific engagements.

    After Fredericksburg, Taliaferro was given command of the District of Savannah. In this capacity he led troops at the Battle of Fort Wagner on Morris Island, a battle that has since been depicted in the movie Glory. Taliaferro was commended for his service in that battle.

    In 1864, Taliaferro was given command of all forces in the Eastern district of Florida, which made him the overall commander at the Battle of Olustee that February. He subsequently returned to South Carolina, where he was made commander of all forces in that state. Taliaferro was still in command when Maj. Gen. William T. Sherman entered the state from Savannah. Taliaferro returned to Virginia when the Army of South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida surrendered later that year.

    After the war, Taliaferro lived in Gloucester County. He served again in the state legislature and as a judge and sat on the board of the College of William and Mary and the Virginia Military Institute. He died at his home, “Dunham Massie”, aged 75, and is buried in Ware Church Cemetery, Gloucester County, Virginia. His collected papers are located at the Special Collections Research Center at the College of William and Mary.[1]

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  59. OsRazor says:
    @attilathehen
    John Updike's two daughters married blacks from Africa. He was prepping the way for this grandkids.

    Only one of Updike daughters married an African (the eldest) and only after she was involved with a much older UK man of whom Updike thoroughly disapproved. Guess she showed him. I think you’re thinking of one of Updike’s sons, who married a black, too–no doubt, inspired by his older sister. Updike has three black grandchildren, and four white ones. An interesting genetic study would follow these seven.

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  60. OsRazor says:
    @Steve Sailer
    "THE COUP might be peak Updike."

    His next book Rabbit Is Rich won all the awards so it's reasonable to say he peaked as a literary athlete in his late 40s in The Coup / Rabbit Is Rich era. Updike was very much aware of the arc of his career, and was almost gleefully frank about how he was declining as he got older. Much of the resentment toward him was that our best candidate for an American literary immortal was very aware of his own mortality and kept churning out books at the same pace as his powers fell off rather than work longer per book.

    It’s one of the most amazing studies to look at the careers of Updike and Roth. While Updike reached his peak before his 50s and seemed to coast along experimenting with different techniques and styles, Roth seemed to have hit a rut and was discounted, only to be heralded as the greatest of all time with his stuff beginning with American Pastoral. which he wrote when he was in his early 60s. The contrast was so severe–Updike a giant, Roth going nowhere0–that Roth was apparently driven to a breakdown when Updike gave a lukewarm and backhanded review to Roth’s book Operation Shylock. Interestingly, Updike had no patience for Wolfe’s social realism, thought it was garbage filled with cardboard figures lacking any substance.

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    Yes, Roth wasted what should have been his prime, then hit his peak (American Pastoral?) in his mid-sixties. It's a more inspiring human interest story -- it's not too late! you can still get better -- than Updike's career, which seems like some Bill James graph about how baseball players hit their career arc at 27 and then get lousier.

    Updike sort of reminds me of Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, who was kind of the basketball equivalent of Updike in literature, being 7-2 and extremely agile.

    Jabbar gets badly underrated today because fans under 35 mostly remember him as a 40-something starting center in the NBA who wasn't particularly above average.

    Jabbar peaked at age 25 in 1972 with 35 ppg, 17 rpg, and 5 apg. He won six NBA championships and 3 NCAA championships between 1967 and 1988, which is an insanely long time at the top. He was NCAA player of the year in 1967 and NBA Finals MVP in 1985.

    But you have to be at least 50 to remember when Jabbar was getting better instead of getting worse. Updike's reputation today has the same problem.

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  61. Twinkie says:
    @Anonymous
    I guess he forgot about decapitating school girls at soccer stadiums and such.

    How many Afghans has the U.S. murdered with its bullets and bombs? How many has it tortured?

    “How many Afghans has the U.S. murdered with its bullets and bombs? How many has it tortured?”

    How many?

    Also, is decapitating a little girl at a soccer stadium as a public spectacle morally equivalent to death by combat or unintentionally collateral damage in war?

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  62. Twinkie says:
    @Jefferson
    Twinkie how do you feel about the British government lumping in Pakistanis and Afghanis into the same racial category as your people the Orientals ?

    Muslims are giving "Asians" a bad name in Great Britain.

    Do you feel the same way about Pakis being classified as "Asian" as White feels about darker skin Hispanic criminals being classified as "White" by the FBI ?

    “Twinkie how do you feel about the British government lumping in Pakistanis and Afghanis into the same racial category as your people the Orientals ?”

    First of all, “my people” are my wife, my children, her folks and our friends and neighbors, who are by and large white. I do not feel any kinship or sense of belonging toward other Orientals. I suppose that’s rather like an American of Irish descent not feeling any camaraderie toward Germans or Russians.

    Technically Pakistanis and Afghans are Asians as they hail from Asia. But the Brits should be more precise and call them South Asians (or Central Asians for the Afghans especially if they are Tajik or Uzbeks and perhaps East Asians for Hazaras).

    “Do you feel the same way about Pakis being classified as ‘Asian’ as White feels about darker skin Hispanic criminals being classified as ‘White’ by the FBI ?”

    I think Pakistanis being classified as Asian in Britain is simply imprecise and confusing. The lumping of Hispanics with whites statistically in this country, I suspect, is politically motivated and I find it greatly egregious. My wife’s Midwestern Anglo-Germano-Swedish descended folks are very different from even the whitest of rich Mexicanos from Mexico City. Wogs begin at Calais and all that (although technically Germany and Sweden are to east of Calais, you get the point).

    I am a herediterian, which is to say that I believe both genetics and environment matter. Some folks here seem to mirror the error of the environmentarians who assign everything to “nurture” and similarly attribute causation entirely to one thing, genetics. In my view, genes and heredity are extremely important, but culture matters too. Even though I am reasonably well-to-do, I’d rather drink canned beer with Scotch-Irish Appalachians than spend time with astronomically rich white Mexicans (which I have done). I just don’t care for the people who are elites in a highly exploitative and corrupt culture… neither do I feel much affinity for the sheep-like exploited in the said culture.

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    My wife’s Midwestern Anglo-Germano-Swedish descended folks are very different from even the whitest of rich Mexicanos from Mexico City.
     
    True dat. The ancient greeks and romans saw the anglo-germano-swedish folks of northern europe as being quite different from them as well.

    The richest "white" mexican is an arab from Lebanon. Most of the "whites" in latin america have some amerindian and/or african and/or MENA and/or gypsy ancestry. Quite a few north americans do as well.

    Of course you as an east asian are even more different from the race you married into than the mostly mixed-race whites of latin america.....
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  63. Twinkie says:
    @Curious Reader
    @ Twinkie

    Afghans are hardly the best population to extrapolate that from. Most Afghans are pious Muslims, who are hardly going to feel much gratitude for dhimmis, no matter what the dhimmis do.

    The less pious Kosovo Albanians, for example, love the US, and worship Bill Clinton. (Though they also have a lot of terrorist nutcases in their ranks, as all Muslim populations do.)

    “Afghans are hardly the best population to extrapolate that from. Most Afghans are pious Muslims, who are hardly going to feel much gratitude for dhimmis, no matter what the dhimmis do.”

    This particular Afghan appeared not to be religious at all. He just seemed rather perturbed that our government’s policy resulted in an an unstable, corrupt government that destroyed his family’s wealth.

    Of course the Kosovars love us. We sided with them against the Serbs in an ethnic war. We also did not occupy their country. Still, I wonder how long that “love” will last.

    Frogs don’t seem grateful at all and the last time I checked most are not pious Muslims, at least not yet. Indeed, even at the time of their liberation, some GIs were dismayed to find that some of the good folks of Normandy grumbled about the said liberation, because a good number of them actually had it rather good under the Nazi occupation and were not too keen on their farms and businesses being disturbed by the invasion of Fortress Europa.

    Curiously enough, the folks who genuinely seem the most helpful in the world to our cause seem to be 1) the Brits with whom we fought two wars (one of them quite existential on our side) and who burnt our capital and 2) the Japanese whose two large cities were pulverized by us in what remain to be the only two instances of nuclear weapons use in history.

    Although I should mark the Singaporeans with an honorable mention. They really seem to love having our fleet around and show gratitude in every way possible. I guess they like having a big brother who guarantees their independence.

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  64. @OsRazor
    It's one of the most amazing studies to look at the careers of Updike and Roth. While Updike reached his peak before his 50s and seemed to coast along experimenting with different techniques and styles, Roth seemed to have hit a rut and was discounted, only to be heralded as the greatest of all time with his stuff beginning with American Pastoral. which he wrote when he was in his early 60s. The contrast was so severe--Updike a giant, Roth going nowhere0--that Roth was apparently driven to a breakdown when Updike gave a lukewarm and backhanded review to Roth's book Operation Shylock. Interestingly, Updike had no patience for Wolfe's social realism, thought it was garbage filled with cardboard figures lacking any substance.

    Yes, Roth wasted what should have been his prime, then hit his peak (American Pastoral?) in his mid-sixties. It’s a more inspiring human interest story — it’s not too late! you can still get better — than Updike’s career, which seems like some Bill James graph about how baseball players hit their career arc at 27 and then get lousier.

    Updike sort of reminds me of Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, who was kind of the basketball equivalent of Updike in literature, being 7-2 and extremely agile.

    Jabbar gets badly underrated today because fans under 35 mostly remember him as a 40-something starting center in the NBA who wasn’t particularly above average.

    Jabbar peaked at age 25 in 1972 with 35 ppg, 17 rpg, and 5 apg. He won six NBA championships and 3 NCAA championships between 1967 and 1988, which is an insanely long time at the top. He was NCAA player of the year in 1967 and NBA Finals MVP in 1985.

    But you have to be at least 50 to remember when Jabbar was getting better instead of getting worse. Updike’s reputation today has the same problem.

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    That 70s skyhook was an awesome weapon. Delivered from 11-12 feet off the ground. Watching Chamberlain defend against it was one of the coolest things in the NBA at the time. That and Pete Maravich's running out of bounds while banking in his hook shots.

    Kareem said he developed the shot because he wanted something unblockable.

    I developed my own mini-hook shot in the 5th grade and won a lot of one-on-one games because of it.

    But as with anyone who possesses an ultimate weapon, lethargy and complacency always sets in. Law of Nature.

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  65. @Anonymous
    Not true at all. The west experiences immigration because of Jewish cultural Marxism and its own treasonous elites. Those countries were backward to begin with and it was this very fact that allowed their temporary control by the west. Sweden which gets the worst of the third world never had any overseas colonies.

    The west experiences immigration because of Jewish cultural Marxism and its own treasonous elites.

    Cultural Marxism is just a tool, not a cause. For hundreds of years European aristocrats used Jews as middlemen to do their dirty work and give the peasantry a target for their anger. This is basically what is happening today. I’m not sure it makes much sense to call elites “treasonous” when most of the European elites never really liked the idea of nation states to begin with. If you take the long view, the rise of the nation state and national identity is the anomaly. For much of European history, elites viewed their subject peoples as little more than revenue producers and soldiers, and would happily move different groups around if it made their own lives easier. We seem to be reverting to a post-modern version of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. On the other hand, East Asians actually have a far more deep rooted sense of a continuity between ethnicity and political organization than Europeans do, which doesn’t bode well for the West long term.

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  66. @ Hacienda, @ Whiskey
    First I have to agree that Whiskey has some good insights.
    But I want to add one thing: god – if he exists, which I doubt – has played a trick on whites, but he played the same trick on east asians, only this time he played harder.
    The basic social science fact of our time is the TFR of the people of the five races: subsharaan africans 6.0, caucasians 2.5, native americans 2.5, east asians 1.5, australian aborigines ?

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  67. The Jabbar/Updike analogy is excellent. And you’re right: I’m 48 and remember only the be-goggled, balding Kareem. He was still incredibly effective on the 80s Showtime teams, but to an early-adolescent kid his skyhook was like a trebuchet assaulting the castle walls: oddly elegant, eminently predictable in its inevitable success — but such a slooooow wind-up . . . .

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  68. Bliss says:
    @asdfsdfd
    OT: WSJ: Blacks, Latinos Dominate Silicon Valley’s ‘Invisible Workforce’

    http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/08/26/blacks-latinos-dominate-silicon-valleys-invisible-workforce/


    Blacks and Latinos make up a sizable share of low-wage workers cleaning and guarding Silicon Valley tech companies, where the technical workforces are overwhelmingly white and Asian, according to a report scheduled to be released Tuesday.

    The report, from the labor-affiliated Working Partnerships USA, comes after months of disclosures by tech companies about the ethnic and racial composition of workforces at Google Inc., Apple Inc. and other large tech companies.
     

    Look Steve, their discriminating against whites, and their alluding to our ghostly complexion as the "invisible workforce".

    The report notes that most of the janitors, landscapers and security guards on corporate campuses are employed by contractors, and not by the tech firms themselves.

    “These contracted service workers – not counted on tech companies’ official employment rolls and rarely mentioned in the public discourse – constitute the Silicon Valley tech industry’s ‘invisible workforce,’ ” the report says.
     

    The classic employment agency contractor technique to offload "risk".

    Blacks, Latinos Dominate Silicon Valley’s ‘Invisible Workforce’

    A very dishonest headline. It’s own chart shows that there are 5 times as many whites and 4 times as many asians/polynesians working as janitors in Silicon Valley as there are blacks. The commenters are outraged. This guy Jeff Elder, or the editor who is responsible for the headline, should be fired from the WSJ.

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  69. In them, a modern 2014 person would not believe the optimism expressed about Africa.

    I don’t know about you, but lately I’m seeing a lot of irrational exuberance about the future of Africa: its growing middle class, tremendous potential market for goods, grwoing interest of investors, etc. I hear these reports on NPR, the BBC, and CNN.

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    It is not so irrational. Not only is Africa growing it's middle class, it is also sprouting native self-made billionaire businessmen for a change. Nigeria leads with 4 black billionaires, including the richest man in Africa.

    Africa is clearly benefiting from China competing with the West for it's resources...
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  70. Also Kareem Abdul-Jabbar starred in a Bruce Lee movie, “Game of Death,” which makes him even cooler than John Derbyshire, who had only a minor role as fist fodder in “Return of the Dragon.”

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  71. Bliss says:
    @Twinkie
    "Twinkie how do you feel about the British government lumping in Pakistanis and Afghanis into the same racial category as your people the Orientals ?"

    First of all, "my people" are my wife, my children, her folks and our friends and neighbors, who are by and large white. I do not feel any kinship or sense of belonging toward other Orientals. I suppose that's rather like an American of Irish descent not feeling any camaraderie toward Germans or Russians.

    Technically Pakistanis and Afghans are Asians as they hail from Asia. But the Brits should be more precise and call them South Asians (or Central Asians for the Afghans especially if they are Tajik or Uzbeks and perhaps East Asians for Hazaras).

    "Do you feel the same way about Pakis being classified as 'Asian' as White feels about darker skin Hispanic criminals being classified as 'White' by the FBI ?"

    I think Pakistanis being classified as Asian in Britain is simply imprecise and confusing. The lumping of Hispanics with whites statistically in this country, I suspect, is politically motivated and I find it greatly egregious. My wife's Midwestern Anglo-Germano-Swedish descended folks are very different from even the whitest of rich Mexicanos from Mexico City. Wogs begin at Calais and all that (although technically Germany and Sweden are to east of Calais, you get the point).

    I am a herediterian, which is to say that I believe both genetics and environment matter. Some folks here seem to mirror the error of the environmentarians who assign everything to "nurture" and similarly attribute causation entirely to one thing, genetics. In my view, genes and heredity are extremely important, but culture matters too. Even though I am reasonably well-to-do, I'd rather drink canned beer with Scotch-Irish Appalachians than spend time with astronomically rich white Mexicans (which I have done). I just don't care for the people who are elites in a highly exploitative and corrupt culture... neither do I feel much affinity for the sheep-like exploited in the said culture.

    My wife’s Midwestern Anglo-Germano-Swedish descended folks are very different from even the whitest of rich Mexicanos from Mexico City.

    True dat. The ancient greeks and romans saw the anglo-germano-swedish folks of northern europe as being quite different from them as well.

    The richest “white” mexican is an arab from Lebanon. Most of the “whites” in latin america have some amerindian and/or african and/or MENA and/or gypsy ancestry. Quite a few north americans do as well.

    Of course you as an east asian are even more different from the race you married into than the mostly mixed-race whites of latin america…..

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    "Of course you as an east asian are even more different from the race you married into than the mostly mixed-race whites of latin america….."

    Once, after a particularly exasperating day with me early on in our marriage, my wife called her mother and said "Good grief, I spent the day with dad today." She frequently speaks of me as an "upgraded version" of her father ("taller and more athletic").

    It seems to me there are two groups of race realist whites. Those who think Hispanics (okay "white" Hispanics) are the closest to whites and those who think Northeast Asians are (that is, setting aside the white nationalists - "only whites!" - for a moment). There may be a class/education divide built into this dichotomy as well, with the better educated whites professing a closer affinity with NE Asians and the less so with "white" Hispanics.
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  72. Bliss says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    In them, a modern 2014 person would not believe the optimism expressed about Africa.

    I don't know about you, but lately I'm seeing a lot of irrational exuberance about the future of Africa: its growing middle class, tremendous potential market for goods, grwoing interest of investors, etc. I hear these reports on NPR, the BBC, and CNN.

    It is not so irrational. Not only is Africa growing it’s middle class, it is also sprouting native self-made billionaire businessmen for a change. Nigeria leads with 4 black billionaires, including the richest man in Africa.

    Africa is clearly benefiting from China competing with the West for it’s resources…

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  73. Bert says:

    China is succeeding in Africa because it doesn’t waste time with worthless pontificating about human right and democracy.

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  74. Hacienda says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Yes, Roth wasted what should have been his prime, then hit his peak (American Pastoral?) in his mid-sixties. It's a more inspiring human interest story -- it's not too late! you can still get better -- than Updike's career, which seems like some Bill James graph about how baseball players hit their career arc at 27 and then get lousier.

    Updike sort of reminds me of Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, who was kind of the basketball equivalent of Updike in literature, being 7-2 and extremely agile.

    Jabbar gets badly underrated today because fans under 35 mostly remember him as a 40-something starting center in the NBA who wasn't particularly above average.

    Jabbar peaked at age 25 in 1972 with 35 ppg, 17 rpg, and 5 apg. He won six NBA championships and 3 NCAA championships between 1967 and 1988, which is an insanely long time at the top. He was NCAA player of the year in 1967 and NBA Finals MVP in 1985.

    But you have to be at least 50 to remember when Jabbar was getting better instead of getting worse. Updike's reputation today has the same problem.

    That 70s skyhook was an awesome weapon. Delivered from 11-12 feet off the ground. Watching Chamberlain defend against it was one of the coolest things in the NBA at the time. That and Pete Maravich’s running out of bounds while banking in his hook shots.

    Kareem said he developed the shot because he wanted something unblockable.

    I developed my own mini-hook shot in the 5th grade and won a lot of one-on-one games because of it.

    But as with anyone who possesses an ultimate weapon, lethargy and complacency always sets in. Law of Nature.

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  75. Jefferson says:

    “The richest “white” mexican is an arab from Lebanon. Most of the “whites” in latin america have some amerindian and/or african and/or MENA and/or gypsy ancestry. Quite a few north americans do as well.”

    I read that about 95 percent of self identifying Non Hispanic White North Americans have absolutely no Amerindian and or Sub Saharan African ancestry at all.

    Of course the number of “White” Hispanics who are racially pure is a lot lower than 95 percent.

    Eva Longoria’s picture is in the “White Hispanic” gallery section on Wikipedia even though she is genetically 3 percent Sub Saharan African and 27 percent Amerindian.

    There is too many racial mutts among the so-called “White” Hispanic population.

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  76. – Argentinian and Uruguayans genetics tend to be the most white (I can’t remember the Amerindian percentages exactly) for Hispanics, but the great winner is hilariously Brazil. The most European (genetics) ancestry among South Americans is in Brazil because predominant white ancestry tends to be everywhere (in the working and middle classes as well) and not just concentrated in the upper-classes because of continuous prostitution between mixed-raced females and white males throughout all regions (this has been occurring since the founding of Brazil). This (prostitution) factor is often not given much though since the media spotlight is on black underclass ghettos in major cities such as São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro. Favelas are just 12 million out of 200 million Brazilians, 6% of the population, and most Brazilians don’t live in favelas.

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  77. I would say that Argentinians and Uruguayan genetics tend to be more white.

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  78. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    I am old enough to remember school textbooks from the 1960's about the great wide world. In them, a modern 2014 person would not believe the optimism expressed about Africa. The schools and hospitals were all clean and well run, the books seemed to convey a message that Africa was just one step from becoming like the First World. In reality, Africa has gotten much worse and we have become more like the Third World. You can see some of this in the John Wayne movie Hatari!. There were many delusions going around in the 1960's.

    “There were many delusions going around in the 1960′s”.

    SO TRUE. So many of the political problems we have now originated from that strange decade.

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  79. Dr. Evil says:

    I must disagree. Most of the delusions truly rooted in the 1960s were harmless. The dangerous delusions are much, much older (such as the 1840s and 1780s-1790s and 00s).

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  80. Twinkie says:
    @Bliss

    My wife’s Midwestern Anglo-Germano-Swedish descended folks are very different from even the whitest of rich Mexicanos from Mexico City.
     
    True dat. The ancient greeks and romans saw the anglo-germano-swedish folks of northern europe as being quite different from them as well.

    The richest "white" mexican is an arab from Lebanon. Most of the "whites" in latin america have some amerindian and/or african and/or MENA and/or gypsy ancestry. Quite a few north americans do as well.

    Of course you as an east asian are even more different from the race you married into than the mostly mixed-race whites of latin america.....

    “Of course you as an east asian are even more different from the race you married into than the mostly mixed-race whites of latin america…..”

    Once, after a particularly exasperating day with me early on in our marriage, my wife called her mother and said “Good grief, I spent the day with dad today.” She frequently speaks of me as an “upgraded version” of her father (“taller and more athletic”).

    It seems to me there are two groups of race realist whites. Those who think Hispanics (okay “white” Hispanics) are the closest to whites and those who think Northeast Asians are (that is, setting aside the white nationalists – “only whites!” – for a moment). There may be a class/education divide built into this dichotomy as well, with the better educated whites professing a closer affinity with NE Asians and the less so with “white” Hispanics.

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    It seems to me there are two groups of race realist whites. Those who think Hispanics (okay “white” Hispanics) are the closest to whites and those who think Northeast Asians are
     
    And which of these two kinds of race realist whites do you think are actually realist? Remember, race realism by definition is supposed to be about race not socio-economic status.
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  81. Jefferson says:

    ““Of course you as an east asian are even more different from the race you married into than the mostly mixed-race whites of latin america…..”

    Once, after a particularly exasperating day with me early on in our marriage, my wife called her mother and said “Good grief, I spent the day with dad today.” She frequently speaks of me as an “upgraded version” of her father (“taller and more athletic”).

    It seems to me there are two groups of race realist whites. Those who think Hispanics (okay “white” Hispanics) are the closest to whites and those who think Northeast Asians are (that is, setting aside the white nationalists – “only whites!” – for a moment). There may be a class/education divide built into this dichotomy as well, with the better educated whites professing a closer affinity with NE Asians and the less so with “white” Hispanics.”

    Is it true that East Asians are the race that is the most genetically distant from Sub Saharan Africans ? So Caucasians can not claim to be the race that is most genetically distant from Sub Saharan Africans ?

    That would explain why all East Asians have bone straight hair if they are the most genetically distant from Sub Saharan Africans.

    Curly hair is common in Caucasians groups like Italians, Jews, Arabs, Portuguese, etc. I remember the Italian Horshack on Welcome Back Kotter had very curly hair. Seth Rogen has very curly hair.

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    "Is it true that East Asians are the race that is the most genetically distant from Sub Saharan Africans ? So Caucasians can not claim to be the race that is most genetically distant from Sub Saharan Africans ?

    That would explain why all East Asians have bone straight hair if they are the most genetically distant from Sub Saharan Africans."

    I don't know about "the most genetically distant," but East Asians probably are quite distant from sub-Saharan Africans. One can say with greater confidence, within the region, that Northeast Asians are the most distant among Asians. Koreans, in particular, have almost purely Siberian genetics and share fewest African or Austronesian (Southeast Asian) genes. Southern Chinese have the most of the latter among East Asians while Japanese are in between. Similarly, among Europeans, Nordics like Finns, have the least amount of African genes (Finns, for example, are about 85-95% ancient European and 5-15% ancient Siberian). Southern Europeans often have much greater amount of African and Middle Eastern genes for obvious geographic and historical reasons.

    I would caution against making broad statements based on a single phenotype observation ("curly hair").
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  82. Bliss says:
    @Twinkie
    "Of course you as an east asian are even more different from the race you married into than the mostly mixed-race whites of latin america….."

    Once, after a particularly exasperating day with me early on in our marriage, my wife called her mother and said "Good grief, I spent the day with dad today." She frequently speaks of me as an "upgraded version" of her father ("taller and more athletic").

    It seems to me there are two groups of race realist whites. Those who think Hispanics (okay "white" Hispanics) are the closest to whites and those who think Northeast Asians are (that is, setting aside the white nationalists - "only whites!" - for a moment). There may be a class/education divide built into this dichotomy as well, with the better educated whites professing a closer affinity with NE Asians and the less so with "white" Hispanics.

    It seems to me there are two groups of race realist whites. Those who think Hispanics (okay “white” Hispanics) are the closest to whites and those who think Northeast Asians are

    And which of these two kinds of race realist whites do you think are actually realist? Remember, race realism by definition is supposed to be about race not socio-economic status.

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    "And which of these two kinds of race realist whites do you think are actually realist? Remember, race realism by definition is supposed to be about race not socio-economic status."

    Race realism is also about reality. Which society and culture most resemble, say, that found in Scandinavia? Ones built by the likes of Japanese and Koreans or ones built by "white" Hispanics in Latin America?

    Race realism is a convenient moniker for people who apply hereditarian views about large population groups, as opposed to environmentarians who believe in the blank slate and 100% causation based on "nurture." Being scientifically hereditarian, however, is not being the mirror image of environmentarians and assigning 100% causation to "nature." Scientific hereditarians posit that culture is an expression of a set of genes interacting with a specific environment. There is a constant feedback loop between nature and nurture and the result is a particular type of people living in, shaping, and being shaped by, a particular type of society.

    This can sometimes lead to some interesting questions. For example, Barack Obama is roughly 50% European descended and 50% East African who married a largely West African descended woman and has assimilated into a Chicago black elite lifestyle. I am likely close to 100% East Asian in genetics who married a largely North European-descended woman and has assimilated into a white Southern way of life. Who's more "white"? Whose children are more compatible with and can assimilate better among Old Stock Americans?

    Even setting aside the role of assimilation for the moment, which would be more likely to be "white" compatible, a 50% European and 50% African mix or a 100% East Asian? By your logic, the 5o% ancestry commonality would indicate the former, but many educated whites apparently opt for the latter, the complete absence of African-ness. With "white" Hispanics the percentages are different as they share a much lower level of African genetics and a higher level of "Indio" ancestry, but the underlying dynamic of the comparison is similar.

    My own observation is the downscale whites tend to go for the phenotype of "white" Hispanics (white-ish looks) while upscale whites tend to favor a broader range of genetic expressions more similar to those of Europeans such as IQ, time horizon, education-orientation, level of criminality, and, indeed, the overall culture of Northeast Asians.
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  83. Twinkie says:
    @Jefferson
    "“Of course you as an east asian are even more different from the race you married into than the mostly mixed-race whites of latin america…..”

    Once, after a particularly exasperating day with me early on in our marriage, my wife called her mother and said “Good grief, I spent the day with dad today.” She frequently speaks of me as an “upgraded version” of her father (“taller and more athletic”).

    It seems to me there are two groups of race realist whites. Those who think Hispanics (okay “white” Hispanics) are the closest to whites and those who think Northeast Asians are (that is, setting aside the white nationalists – “only whites!” – for a moment). There may be a class/education divide built into this dichotomy as well, with the better educated whites professing a closer affinity with NE Asians and the less so with “white” Hispanics."

    Is it true that East Asians are the race that is the most genetically distant from Sub Saharan Africans ? So Caucasians can not claim to be the race that is most genetically distant from Sub Saharan Africans ?

    That would explain why all East Asians have bone straight hair if they are the most genetically distant from Sub Saharan Africans.

    Curly hair is common in Caucasians groups like Italians, Jews, Arabs, Portuguese, etc. I remember the Italian Horshack on Welcome Back Kotter had very curly hair. Seth Rogen has very curly hair.

    “Is it true that East Asians are the race that is the most genetically distant from Sub Saharan Africans ? So Caucasians can not claim to be the race that is most genetically distant from Sub Saharan Africans ?

    That would explain why all East Asians have bone straight hair if they are the most genetically distant from Sub Saharan Africans.”

    I don’t know about “the most genetically distant,” but East Asians probably are quite distant from sub-Saharan Africans. One can say with greater confidence, within the region, that Northeast Asians are the most distant among Asians. Koreans, in particular, have almost purely Siberian genetics and share fewest African or Austronesian (Southeast Asian) genes. Southern Chinese have the most of the latter among East Asians while Japanese are in between. Similarly, among Europeans, Nordics like Finns, have the least amount of African genes (Finns, for example, are about 85-95% ancient European and 5-15% ancient Siberian). Southern Europeans often have much greater amount of African and Middle Eastern genes for obvious geographic and historical reasons.

    I would caution against making broad statements based on a single phenotype observation (“curly hair”).

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    I would caution against making broad statements based on a single phenotype observation (“curly hair”).

    Indeed. For example, there are Irish people with curly hair such as Colm Meaneywho have no sub-Saharan admixture.

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  84. Twinkie says:
    @Bliss

    It seems to me there are two groups of race realist whites. Those who think Hispanics (okay “white” Hispanics) are the closest to whites and those who think Northeast Asians are
     
    And which of these two kinds of race realist whites do you think are actually realist? Remember, race realism by definition is supposed to be about race not socio-economic status.

    “And which of these two kinds of race realist whites do you think are actually realist? Remember, race realism by definition is supposed to be about race not socio-economic status.”

    Race realism is also about reality. Which society and culture most resemble, say, that found in Scandinavia? Ones built by the likes of Japanese and Koreans or ones built by “white” Hispanics in Latin America?

    Race realism is a convenient moniker for people who apply hereditarian views about large population groups, as opposed to environmentarians who believe in the blank slate and 100% causation based on “nurture.” Being scientifically hereditarian, however, is not being the mirror image of environmentarians and assigning 100% causation to “nature.” Scientific hereditarians posit that culture is an expression of a set of genes interacting with a specific environment. There is a constant feedback loop between nature and nurture and the result is a particular type of people living in, shaping, and being shaped by, a particular type of society.

    This can sometimes lead to some interesting questions. For example, Barack Obama is roughly 50% European descended and 50% East African who married a largely West African descended woman and has assimilated into a Chicago black elite lifestyle. I am likely close to 100% East Asian in genetics who married a largely North European-descended woman and has assimilated into a white Southern way of life. Who’s more “white”? Whose children are more compatible with and can assimilate better among Old Stock Americans?

    Even setting aside the role of assimilation for the moment, which would be more likely to be “white” compatible, a 50% European and 50% African mix or a 100% East Asian? By your logic, the 5o% ancestry commonality would indicate the former, but many educated whites apparently opt for the latter, the complete absence of African-ness. With “white” Hispanics the percentages are different as they share a much lower level of African genetics and a higher level of “Indio” ancestry, but the underlying dynamic of the comparison is similar.

    My own observation is the downscale whites tend to go for the phenotype of “white” Hispanics (white-ish looks) while upscale whites tend to favor a broader range of genetic expressions more similar to those of Europeans such as IQ, time horizon, education-orientation, level of criminality, and, indeed, the overall culture of Northeast Asians.

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    The race realists you are talking about aren't really race realists. They are something else. Their fear and loathing of blacks makes less threatening non-blacks (including non-asians) more acceptable and may help them assimilate, although in small numbers. Numerous africans and native americans too have assimilated into the white mainstream. There are tens of millions of whites with some black ancestry. A good example is Nobel Laureate James Watson who was found to be ~15% black genetically while looking 100% white. If your children also marry whites it is possible they will pass as whites. But not necessarily. Look at that TV reality show with 1/4 korean children. None of them look caucasian. On the other hand if a mestizo mexican who is already mixed race has children with a white, they are far more likely to look white.

    You should read about the mass lynchings of chinese, the riots against them etc that occurred when their numbers and competitiveness became threatening to whites. Or look at what happened to native americans a people who came here from Siberia. Their lot in America is far, far worse than that of blacks.

    Like I said before blacks as the bogeyman for whites makes America feel more welcoming to non-black immigrants. Take advantage of it while you can, as you clearly are doing. But when the bogeyman changes watch out.
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  85. Jefferson says:

    “I would caution against making broad statements based on a single phenotype observation (“curly hair”).”

    Bone straight hair is the extreme opposite of nappy Sub Saharan African hair. Curly hair is the middle ground between those 2 hair textures.

    Why is curly hair more common in Caucasoids than in Mongoloids ? How come you never see any Japanese people for example with naturally curly hair like Weird Al Yankovic and Seth Rogen ?

    Where do Southern European and Levantine Caaucasoids who have curly hair, get their curls from ?

    Remember the actress who plays Tony Soprano’s sister, look at how curly how hair is.

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    It may very well be that curly hair has a strong African genetic component, which is modestly present among Europeans, especially Southern Europeans, but rarer among East Asians. I just don't know. I did read somewhere that East Asians have thicker hair and sweat glands as an adaptation to the particular conditions of Northeast Asia/Siberia over different time periods or perhaps as a part of sexual selection.

    However, curly hair is rare, not nonexistent among East Asians. My mother had extremely curly hair with a reddish tint. And she was otherwise very East Asian looking. Two of my children have curly hair with a reddish tint and others always assume that trait is from my wife's family rather than mine.
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  86. Twinkie says:
    @Jefferson
    "I would caution against making broad statements based on a single phenotype observation (“curly hair”)."

    Bone straight hair is the extreme opposite of nappy Sub Saharan African hair. Curly hair is the middle ground between those 2 hair textures.

    Why is curly hair more common in Caucasoids than in Mongoloids ? How come you never see any Japanese people for example with naturally curly hair like Weird Al Yankovic and Seth Rogen ?

    Where do Southern European and Levantine Caaucasoids who have curly hair, get their curls from ?

    Remember the actress who plays Tony Soprano's sister, look at how curly how hair is.

    It may very well be that curly hair has a strong African genetic component, which is modestly present among Europeans, especially Southern Europeans, but rarer among East Asians. I just don’t know. I did read somewhere that East Asians have thicker hair and sweat glands as an adaptation to the particular conditions of Northeast Asia/Siberia over different time periods or perhaps as a part of sexual selection.

    However, curly hair is rare, not nonexistent among East Asians. My mother had extremely curly hair with a reddish tint. And she was otherwise very East Asian looking. Two of my children have curly hair with a reddish tint and others always assume that trait is from my wife’s family rather than mine.

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  87. It’s actually possible that Mongoloids from East Asia have the greatest distance from blacks, and are the least black among all races of the world, since their hair is bone straight and long (even if the Asian hair color itself is black).

    Curly hair (the texture) can sometimes be used as evidence of small quantities of sub-Saharan Black African ancestry since women of pure African ancestry tend to buy many weaves, wigs and perms to mask the fact that they don’t have straight hair. Negroid hair is typically kinky and very short, and the opposite is bone straight and long (Mongoloid). Curly hair can sometimes showcase quantities of black ancestry (even if it’s small).

    There’s a reason black women buy hair wigs and weaves from Korea. Korean hair is straight and long, even if it has a black color. Caucasians also have straight hair, but the range is between straight hair and wavy hair (pure Caucasians don’t usually have curly hair).

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    You're almost correct. Mongoloids in South America are the most genetically distant from Blacks:

    Deka et al., Am. J. Human Genetics 56, pgs. 461-474, 1995. This study looks at some genetic markers and compares the genetic distances of eight human populations (Samoans, North Amerindians, South Amerindians, New Guineans, Kachari [Mongolids], Germans, more generalized Caucasians, and Sokoto Negroes from Nigeria [Nigerian sub-Saharan African Negroes]) to each other and to chimpanzees. The data were analyzed two ways - with Nei's standard genetic distance, and with modified Cavalli-Sforza distance.

    Which group was genetically closest to chimpanzees? The answer for both methods was the Nigerian Negro group. Using Nei's method, the Nigerian-chimp distance was 1.334 +/- 0.375, by far the closest value (second closest was the Kachari value of 1.527 +/- 0.493). To be fair, and show we are not knee-jerk "Eurocentrics" hiding data, the group farthest from the chimps was the South Amerindians (1.901 +/- 0.529); however the Germans (1.865 +/- 0.506) and the more general Caucasians (1.860 +/- 0.497) were right behind them (and given the +/- values, virtually overlapping). Looking at the Cavalli-Sforza method, the Sokoto Nigerians were again the closest to chimps (0.539) by a large margin. The farthest were again the South Amerindians (0.712), with the Germans (0.680) and general Caucasians (0.667) being a very close third and fourth behind the South Amerindians as well as Samoans (0.711) and North Amerindians (0.697). So, while the two methods give slightly different orders, in both cases the Nigerians are by far the closest group to the chimps.

    The authors state the following about "neighbor-joining trees" based on these data, using the chimps as the "outgroup":

    "...the SO [Sokoto Nigerian] population is the furthest from all the other human populations."
     

    I'm not implying Blacks are chimps. But if Blacks are genetically closest to chimps (and while this is true, it's trivial and NOT tantamount to saying that they are the missing link) and South Amerindians the farthest, then South Amerindians are also the farthest from Blacks.
    , @Wade
    You’re almost correct. Mongoloids in South America are the most genetically distant from Blacks:

    Deka et al., Am. J. Human Genetics 56, pgs. 461-474, 1995. This study looks at some genetic markers and compares the genetic distances of eight human populations (Samoans, North Amerindians, South Amerindians, New Guineans, Kachari [Mongolids], Germans, more generalized Caucasians, and Sokoto Negroes from Nigeria [Nigerian sub-Saharan African Negroes]) to each other and to chimpanzees. The data were analyzed two ways – with Nei’s standard genetic distance, and with modified Cavalli-Sforza distance.

    Which group was genetically closest to chimpanzees? The answer for both methods was the Nigerian Negro group. Using Nei’s method, the Nigerian-chimp distance was 1.334 +/- 0.375, by far the closest value (second closest was the Kachari value of 1.527 +/- 0.493). To be fair, and show we are not knee-jerk “Eurocentrics” hiding data, the group farthest from the chimps was the South Amerindians (1.901 +/- 0.529); however the Germans (1.865 +/- 0.506) and the more general Caucasians (1.860 +/- 0.497) were right behind them (and given the +/- values, virtually overlapping). Looking at the Cavalli-Sforza method, the Sokoto Nigerians were again the closest to chimps (0.539) by a large margin. The farthest were again the South Amerindians (0.712), with the Germans (0.680) and general Caucasians (0.667) being a very close third and fourth behind the South Amerindians as well as Samoans (0.711) and North Amerindians (0.697). So, while the two methods give slightly different orders, in both cases the Nigerians are by far the closest group to the chimps.

    The authors state the following about “neighbor-joining trees” based on these data, using the chimps as the “outgroup”:

    “…the SO [Sokoto Nigerian] population is the furthest from all the other human populations.”
     
    If Blacks are genetically closest to chimps (and this is true, but is trivial as they are still human and NOT tantamount to saying they are the missing link), then if South Amerindians are the farthest from chimps, they are also the farthest from Blacks.
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  88. – The “one drop rule” is a U.S. American invention and it applied mostly to mixed-raced descendants of white slave owners and black female slaves. It kept inheritance within the white family and disputed biracials who wanted to claim the heritage of their white fathers.

    It doesn’t affect other biracials who are part black (e.g. mixed with white European, mixed with Arab, mixed with South Asian, mixed with Southeast Asian or mixed with East Asian). If anything, most part-African biracials tend to assimilate to their other family heritage.

    Reasons include: a good average lifestyle (unlike Nigeria, Congo, Sudan and other sub-Saharan African countries which are deliberate war zones, full of poverty, crime, ugliness, dark skin and matriarchal patterns), family relations, acceptable looks (most blacks don’t have straight hair, good faces and light skin) and whatnot.

    Being in the United States of America has clouded your judgment. Most mixed-raced people in Central and South Americas mestizos and mixed with Amerindian. The whole “Hispanic” category is an inaccurate, stupid label created by U.S. based leftist NGOs.

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  89. Bliss says:
    @Twinkie
    "And which of these two kinds of race realist whites do you think are actually realist? Remember, race realism by definition is supposed to be about race not socio-economic status."

    Race realism is also about reality. Which society and culture most resemble, say, that found in Scandinavia? Ones built by the likes of Japanese and Koreans or ones built by "white" Hispanics in Latin America?

    Race realism is a convenient moniker for people who apply hereditarian views about large population groups, as opposed to environmentarians who believe in the blank slate and 100% causation based on "nurture." Being scientifically hereditarian, however, is not being the mirror image of environmentarians and assigning 100% causation to "nature." Scientific hereditarians posit that culture is an expression of a set of genes interacting with a specific environment. There is a constant feedback loop between nature and nurture and the result is a particular type of people living in, shaping, and being shaped by, a particular type of society.

    This can sometimes lead to some interesting questions. For example, Barack Obama is roughly 50% European descended and 50% East African who married a largely West African descended woman and has assimilated into a Chicago black elite lifestyle. I am likely close to 100% East Asian in genetics who married a largely North European-descended woman and has assimilated into a white Southern way of life. Who's more "white"? Whose children are more compatible with and can assimilate better among Old Stock Americans?

    Even setting aside the role of assimilation for the moment, which would be more likely to be "white" compatible, a 50% European and 50% African mix or a 100% East Asian? By your logic, the 5o% ancestry commonality would indicate the former, but many educated whites apparently opt for the latter, the complete absence of African-ness. With "white" Hispanics the percentages are different as they share a much lower level of African genetics and a higher level of "Indio" ancestry, but the underlying dynamic of the comparison is similar.

    My own observation is the downscale whites tend to go for the phenotype of "white" Hispanics (white-ish looks) while upscale whites tend to favor a broader range of genetic expressions more similar to those of Europeans such as IQ, time horizon, education-orientation, level of criminality, and, indeed, the overall culture of Northeast Asians.

    The race realists you are talking about aren’t really race realists. They are something else. Their fear and loathing of blacks makes less threatening non-blacks (including non-asians) more acceptable and may help them assimilate, although in small numbers. Numerous africans and native americans too have assimilated into the white mainstream. There are tens of millions of whites with some black ancestry. A good example is Nobel Laureate James Watson who was found to be ~15% black genetically while looking 100% white. If your children also marry whites it is possible they will pass as whites. But not necessarily. Look at that TV reality show with 1/4 korean children. None of them look caucasian. On the other hand if a mestizo mexican who is already mixed race has children with a white, they are far more likely to look white.

    You should read about the mass lynchings of chinese, the riots against them etc that occurred when their numbers and competitiveness became threatening to whites. Or look at what happened to native americans a people who came here from Siberia. Their lot in America is far, far worse than that of blacks.

    Like I said before blacks as the bogeyman for whites makes America feel more welcoming to non-black immigrants. Take advantage of it while you can, as you clearly are doing. But when the bogeyman changes watch out.

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    "native Americans a people who came here from Siberia"...

    Well if the CAME HERE FROM Siberia, how can they be "native" sport?

    "mass lynchings of Chinese"..

    Oh really? Sources? SOURCES? You don't mean the tens of millions of Chinese slaughtered by their fellow Orientals the Japanese in the 1930's and 40's do you?
    , @Twinkie
    "The race realists you are talking about aren’t really race realists. They are something else."

    Well, they would disagree. I don't think you get to define race realism. Are Rushton and Taylor not race realists?

    "Look at that TV reality show with 1/4 korean children. None of them look caucasian."

    I don't rely on TV or "reality" shows as scientific evidence or policy guides. But I will say that white-Asian mixes can have varying appearances. Some half-half children can look very white or very Asian or mixed. Some half-half kids can look far more white than some 3/4 white-1/4 Asian mixes.

    My own children blend in well with whites (they have the so-called double eyelids, big, light eyes, and fair skin). I have had suspicious glances when toting around my little ones (at a bank once a teller asked one of my daughters who I was and then repeatedly asked me whether I was her father; when reassured several times that indeed I was, she ended the conversation with "well, she doesn't look like you"). The funny thing is they DO resemble me a lot, but look like white versions of me (all my family and friends say that the children resemble me a lot more than my wife, but that they look very white; they are also quite tall like the men of my family -- my paternal grandfather was around 6'4" and was nicknamed "the Giant").

    "On the other hand if a mestizo mexican who is already mixed race has children with a white, they are far more likely to look white."

    You may care a lot about that phenotype and looks. Some realists care more about other genetic expressions like IQ, time horizon, criminality, you know, behavioral traits that are more compatible with the Northern European.

    "You should read about the mass lynchings of chinese, the riots against them etc that occurred when their numbers and competitiveness became threatening to whites."

    I am well acquainted with the history of anti-Chinese riots on the West Coast during the 19th Century, as I am with Irish draft riots in NYC during the Civil War. I fear neither today and for the foreseeable future. But I do see black rioting with some frequency in the more recent times.

    "Like I said before blacks as the bogeyman for whites makes America feel more welcoming to non-black immigrants. Take advantage of it while you can, as you clearly are doing. But when the bogeyman changes watch out."

    What do you mean by "blacks as the bogeyman"? Are you suggesting that whites have a mistaken impression of blacks as being more likely to commit violent crimes (against whites and Asians), do poorly at school, have children out of wedlock, and otherwise incur social costs (to be remedied allegedly by wealth transfers from whites and Asians)?

    I am not taking advantage of anything, except the freedom to be the architect of my own destiny here. I love this country, I am active in charity, I pay a far bigger share of taxes than 99% of my fellow Americans, I always vote conservative (not just Republican), I have performed services for my country overseas, and I am raising my children to be patriotic, virtuous and God-fearing gentlemen and ladies.
    , @Anonymous
    A good example is Nobel Laureate James Watson who was found to be ~15% black genetically while looking 100% white.

    This is as likely to be a deCODE genetics testing artefact as it is to be a robust finding. deCODE's test may have analyzed too few markers in 2007 for a reliable fine-grained admixture study. Many DNA markers are ancestrally ambiguous (i.e. very slightly more common in some populations than others). A trustworthy test would need to analyze a large sample of markers (tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands) and be careful not to overinterpret ambiguous ones as clearly indicating specific population group affinity.
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  90. Wade says:
    @Alcestis Eshtemoa
    It's actually possible that Mongoloids from East Asia have the greatest distance from blacks, and are the least black among all races of the world, since their hair is bone straight and long (even if the Asian hair color itself is black).

    Curly hair (the texture) can sometimes be used as evidence of small quantities of sub-Saharan Black African ancestry since women of pure African ancestry tend to buy many weaves, wigs and perms to mask the fact that they don't have straight hair. Negroid hair is typically kinky and very short, and the opposite is bone straight and long (Mongoloid). Curly hair can sometimes showcase quantities of black ancestry (even if it's small).

    There's a reason black women buy hair wigs and weaves from Korea. Korean hair is straight and long, even if it has a black color. Caucasians also have straight hair, but the range is between straight hair and wavy hair (pure Caucasians don't usually have curly hair).

    You’re almost correct. Mongoloids in South America are the most genetically distant from Blacks:

    Deka et al., Am. J. Human Genetics 56, pgs. 461-474, 1995. This study looks at some genetic markers and compares the genetic distances of eight human populations (Samoans, North Amerindians, South Amerindians, New Guineans, Kachari [Mongolids], Germans, more generalized Caucasians, and Sokoto Negroes from Nigeria [Nigerian sub-Saharan African Negroes]) to each other and to chimpanzees. The data were analyzed two ways – with Nei’s standard genetic distance, and with modified Cavalli-Sforza distance.

    Which group was genetically closest to chimpanzees? The answer for both methods was the Nigerian Negro group. Using Nei’s method, the Nigerian-chimp distance was 1.334 +/- 0.375, by far the closest value (second closest was the Kachari value of 1.527 +/- 0.493). To be fair, and show we are not knee-jerk “Eurocentrics” hiding data, the group farthest from the chimps was the South Amerindians (1.901 +/- 0.529); however the Germans (1.865 +/- 0.506) and the more general Caucasians (1.860 +/- 0.497) were right behind them (and given the +/- values, virtually overlapping). Looking at the Cavalli-Sforza method, the Sokoto Nigerians were again the closest to chimps (0.539) by a large margin. The farthest were again the South Amerindians (0.712), with the Germans (0.680) and general Caucasians (0.667) being a very close third and fourth behind the South Amerindians as well as Samoans (0.711) and North Amerindians (0.697). So, while the two methods give slightly different orders, in both cases the Nigerians are by far the closest group to the chimps.

    The authors state the following about “neighbor-joining trees” based on these data, using the chimps as the “outgroup”:

    “…the SO [Sokoto Nigerian] population is the furthest from all the other human populations.”

    I’m not implying Blacks are chimps. But if Blacks are genetically closest to chimps (and while this is true, it’s trivial and NOT tantamount to saying that they are the missing link) and South Amerindians the farthest, then South Amerindians are also the farthest from Blacks.

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  91. Wade says:
    @Alcestis Eshtemoa
    It's actually possible that Mongoloids from East Asia have the greatest distance from blacks, and are the least black among all races of the world, since their hair is bone straight and long (even if the Asian hair color itself is black).

    Curly hair (the texture) can sometimes be used as evidence of small quantities of sub-Saharan Black African ancestry since women of pure African ancestry tend to buy many weaves, wigs and perms to mask the fact that they don't have straight hair. Negroid hair is typically kinky and very short, and the opposite is bone straight and long (Mongoloid). Curly hair can sometimes showcase quantities of black ancestry (even if it's small).

    There's a reason black women buy hair wigs and weaves from Korea. Korean hair is straight and long, even if it has a black color. Caucasians also have straight hair, but the range is between straight hair and wavy hair (pure Caucasians don't usually have curly hair).

    You’re almost correct. Mongoloids in South America are the most genetically distant from Blacks:

    Deka et al., Am. J. Human Genetics 56, pgs. 461-474, 1995. This study looks at some genetic markers and compares the genetic distances of eight human populations (Samoans, North Amerindians, South Amerindians, New Guineans, Kachari [Mongolids], Germans, more generalized Caucasians, and Sokoto Negroes from Nigeria [Nigerian sub-Saharan African Negroes]) to each other and to chimpanzees. The data were analyzed two ways – with Nei’s standard genetic distance, and with modified Cavalli-Sforza distance.

    Which group was genetically closest to chimpanzees? The answer for both methods was the Nigerian Negro group. Using Nei’s method, the Nigerian-chimp distance was 1.334 +/- 0.375, by far the closest value (second closest was the Kachari value of 1.527 +/- 0.493). To be fair, and show we are not knee-jerk “Eurocentrics” hiding data, the group farthest from the chimps was the South Amerindians (1.901 +/- 0.529); however the Germans (1.865 +/- 0.506) and the more general Caucasians (1.860 +/- 0.497) were right behind them (and given the +/- values, virtually overlapping). Looking at the Cavalli-Sforza method, the Sokoto Nigerians were again the closest to chimps (0.539) by a large margin. The farthest were again the South Amerindians (0.712), with the Germans (0.680) and general Caucasians (0.667) being a very close third and fourth behind the South Amerindians as well as Samoans (0.711) and North Amerindians (0.697). So, while the two methods give slightly different orders, in both cases the Nigerians are by far the closest group to the chimps.

    The authors state the following about “neighbor-joining trees” based on these data, using the chimps as the “outgroup”:

    “…the SO [Sokoto Nigerian] population is the furthest from all the other human populations.”

    If Blacks are genetically closest to chimps (and this is true, but is trivial as they are still human and NOT tantamount to saying they are the missing link), then if South Amerindians are the farthest from chimps, they are also the farthest from Blacks.

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    [blockquote]You’re almost correct. Mongoloids in South America are the most genetically distant from Blacks:[/blockquote]

    That is outdated research. Indians in America have somewhat different origins and cannot be called "Mongoloids" in the same manner as East Asians. See: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/ancient-siberian-bones-clarify-native-american-origins

    And here is a handy diagram: https://www.sciencenews.org/sites/default/files/images/ts_fig1b.png

    As you can see, there is a reason why East Asians and American Indians do not resemble each other quite as much as older research would indicate. Furthermore, note that human evolution accelerated in the last ten thousand years or so. East Asians and American Indians have faced very different environmental conditions in the past thousands of years, leading to very different evolutionary paths with the consequently divergent genetic expressions (including, yes, IQ).
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  92. Jefferson says:

    ” Caucasians also have straight hair, but the range is between straight hair and wavy hair (pure Caucasians don’t usually have curly hair).”

    So do you think Tony Soprano’s sister has distant Sub Saharan African admixture because of her curly hair ? How about Seth Rogen do you think he has distant Sub Saharan African admixture because of his curly hair ?

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  93. – I don’t think Tony Soprano’s sister and Seth Rogen have black African ancestry. In my opinion, it’s just unusual for most Europeans to have curly hair. Pure Caucasoid hair is typically straight to wavy.

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  94. Jefferson says:

    “ – I don’t think Tony Soprano’s sister and Seth Rogen have black African ancestry. ”

    Than what is the explanation for their curly hair if it is not a result of having African ancestry ?

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  95. – Hair was adaptable to more sunny weather patterns perhaps? Like tropical seasons?

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  96. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Bliss
    The race realists you are talking about aren't really race realists. They are something else. Their fear and loathing of blacks makes less threatening non-blacks (including non-asians) more acceptable and may help them assimilate, although in small numbers. Numerous africans and native americans too have assimilated into the white mainstream. There are tens of millions of whites with some black ancestry. A good example is Nobel Laureate James Watson who was found to be ~15% black genetically while looking 100% white. If your children also marry whites it is possible they will pass as whites. But not necessarily. Look at that TV reality show with 1/4 korean children. None of them look caucasian. On the other hand if a mestizo mexican who is already mixed race has children with a white, they are far more likely to look white.

    You should read about the mass lynchings of chinese, the riots against them etc that occurred when their numbers and competitiveness became threatening to whites. Or look at what happened to native americans a people who came here from Siberia. Their lot in America is far, far worse than that of blacks.

    Like I said before blacks as the bogeyman for whites makes America feel more welcoming to non-black immigrants. Take advantage of it while you can, as you clearly are doing. But when the bogeyman changes watch out.

    “native Americans a people who came here from Siberia”…

    Well if the CAME HERE FROM Siberia, how can they be “native” sport?

    “mass lynchings of Chinese”..

    Oh really? Sources? SOURCES? You don’t mean the tens of millions of Chinese slaughtered by their fellow Orientals the Japanese in the 1930′s and 40′s do you?

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    <blockquote.“mass lynchings of Chinese”..

    Oh really? Sources? SOURCES? You don’t mean the tens of millions of Chinese slaughtered by their fellow Orientals the Japanese in the 1930′s and 40′s do you?
     I think he means anti-Chinese labor riots on the West Coast during the 19th Century.

    See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_riot_of_1886
    , @Curious Reader
    In the same way Europeans are very much native to Europe and Asians to Asia even though they came from Africa.
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  97. Twinkie says:
    @Wade
    You’re almost correct. Mongoloids in South America are the most genetically distant from Blacks:

    Deka et al., Am. J. Human Genetics 56, pgs. 461-474, 1995. This study looks at some genetic markers and compares the genetic distances of eight human populations (Samoans, North Amerindians, South Amerindians, New Guineans, Kachari [Mongolids], Germans, more generalized Caucasians, and Sokoto Negroes from Nigeria [Nigerian sub-Saharan African Negroes]) to each other and to chimpanzees. The data were analyzed two ways – with Nei’s standard genetic distance, and with modified Cavalli-Sforza distance.

    Which group was genetically closest to chimpanzees? The answer for both methods was the Nigerian Negro group. Using Nei’s method, the Nigerian-chimp distance was 1.334 +/- 0.375, by far the closest value (second closest was the Kachari value of 1.527 +/- 0.493). To be fair, and show we are not knee-jerk “Eurocentrics” hiding data, the group farthest from the chimps was the South Amerindians (1.901 +/- 0.529); however the Germans (1.865 +/- 0.506) and the more general Caucasians (1.860 +/- 0.497) were right behind them (and given the +/- values, virtually overlapping). Looking at the Cavalli-Sforza method, the Sokoto Nigerians were again the closest to chimps (0.539) by a large margin. The farthest were again the South Amerindians (0.712), with the Germans (0.680) and general Caucasians (0.667) being a very close third and fourth behind the South Amerindians as well as Samoans (0.711) and North Amerindians (0.697). So, while the two methods give slightly different orders, in both cases the Nigerians are by far the closest group to the chimps.

    The authors state the following about “neighbor-joining trees” based on these data, using the chimps as the “outgroup”:

    “…the SO [Sokoto Nigerian] population is the furthest from all the other human populations.”
     
    If Blacks are genetically closest to chimps (and this is true, but is trivial as they are still human and NOT tantamount to saying they are the missing link), then if South Amerindians are the farthest from chimps, they are also the farthest from Blacks.

    [blockquote]You’re almost correct. Mongoloids in South America are the most genetically distant from Blacks:[/blockquote]

    That is outdated research. Indians in America have somewhat different origins and cannot be called “Mongoloids” in the same manner as East Asians. See: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/ancient-siberian-bones-clarify-native-american-origins

    And here is a handy diagram:

    As you can see, there is a reason why East Asians and American Indians do not resemble each other quite as much as older research would indicate. Furthermore, note that human evolution accelerated in the last ten thousand years or so. East Asians and American Indians have faced very different environmental conditions in the past thousands of years, leading to very different evolutionary paths with the consequently divergent genetic expressions (including, yes, IQ).

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  98. Twinkie says:
    @Anonymous
    "native Americans a people who came here from Siberia"...

    Well if the CAME HERE FROM Siberia, how can they be "native" sport?

    "mass lynchings of Chinese"..

    Oh really? Sources? SOURCES? You don't mean the tens of millions of Chinese slaughtered by their fellow Orientals the Japanese in the 1930's and 40's do you?

    <blockquote.“mass lynchings of Chinese”..

    Oh really? Sources? SOURCES? You don’t mean the tens of millions of Chinese slaughtered by their fellow Orientals the Japanese in the 1930′s and 40′s do you?

    I think he means anti-Chinese labor riots on the West Coast during the 19th Century.

    See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_riot_of_1886

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  99. Twinkie says:
    @Bliss
    The race realists you are talking about aren't really race realists. They are something else. Their fear and loathing of blacks makes less threatening non-blacks (including non-asians) more acceptable and may help them assimilate, although in small numbers. Numerous africans and native americans too have assimilated into the white mainstream. There are tens of millions of whites with some black ancestry. A good example is Nobel Laureate James Watson who was found to be ~15% black genetically while looking 100% white. If your children also marry whites it is possible they will pass as whites. But not necessarily. Look at that TV reality show with 1/4 korean children. None of them look caucasian. On the other hand if a mestizo mexican who is already mixed race has children with a white, they are far more likely to look white.

    You should read about the mass lynchings of chinese, the riots against them etc that occurred when their numbers and competitiveness became threatening to whites. Or look at what happened to native americans a people who came here from Siberia. Their lot in America is far, far worse than that of blacks.

    Like I said before blacks as the bogeyman for whites makes America feel more welcoming to non-black immigrants. Take advantage of it while you can, as you clearly are doing. But when the bogeyman changes watch out.

    “The race realists you are talking about aren’t really race realists. They are something else.”

    Well, they would disagree. I don’t think you get to define race realism. Are Rushton and Taylor not race realists?

    “Look at that TV reality show with 1/4 korean children. None of them look caucasian.”

    I don’t rely on TV or “reality” shows as scientific evidence or policy guides. But I will say that white-Asian mixes can have varying appearances. Some half-half children can look very white or very Asian or mixed. Some half-half kids can look far more white than some 3/4 white-1/4 Asian mixes.

    My own children blend in well with whites (they have the so-called double eyelids, big, light eyes, and fair skin). I have had suspicious glances when toting around my little ones (at a bank once a teller asked one of my daughters who I was and then repeatedly asked me whether I was her father; when reassured several times that indeed I was, she ended the conversation with “well, she doesn’t look like you”). The funny thing is they DO resemble me a lot, but look like white versions of me (all my family and friends say that the children resemble me a lot more than my wife, but that they look very white; they are also quite tall like the men of my family — my paternal grandfather was around 6’4″ and was nicknamed “the Giant”).

    “On the other hand if a mestizo mexican who is already mixed race has children with a white, they are far more likely to look white.”

    You may care a lot about that phenotype and looks. Some realists care more about other genetic expressions like IQ, time horizon, criminality, you know, behavioral traits that are more compatible with the Northern European.

    “You should read about the mass lynchings of chinese, the riots against them etc that occurred when their numbers and competitiveness became threatening to whites.”

    I am well acquainted with the history of anti-Chinese riots on the West Coast during the 19th Century, as I am with Irish draft riots in NYC during the Civil War. I fear neither today and for the foreseeable future. But I do see black rioting with some frequency in the more recent times.

    “Like I said before blacks as the bogeyman for whites makes America feel more welcoming to non-black immigrants. Take advantage of it while you can, as you clearly are doing. But when the bogeyman changes watch out.”

    What do you mean by “blacks as the bogeyman”? Are you suggesting that whites have a mistaken impression of blacks as being more likely to commit violent crimes (against whites and Asians), do poorly at school, have children out of wedlock, and otherwise incur social costs (to be remedied allegedly by wealth transfers from whites and Asians)?

    I am not taking advantage of anything, except the freedom to be the architect of my own destiny here. I love this country, I am active in charity, I pay a far bigger share of taxes than 99% of my fellow Americans, I always vote conservative (not just Republican), I have performed services for my country overseas, and I am raising my children to be patriotic, virtuous and God-fearing gentlemen and ladies.

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  100. Jefferson says:

    “As you can see, there is a reason why East Asians and American Indians do not resemble each other quite as much as older research would indicate.”

    Many Indigenous people from Central America/South America can pass for Southeast Asian like Cambodian and Filipino in terms of phenotype.

    Haven’t you noticed that many Indigenous people in Latin America have small eyes ? Or as Latin Americans refer to as Chino eyes.

    The Yanomami tribe of Brazil is known for their very small eyes.

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  101. @Anonymous
    "native Americans a people who came here from Siberia"...

    Well if the CAME HERE FROM Siberia, how can they be "native" sport?

    "mass lynchings of Chinese"..

    Oh really? Sources? SOURCES? You don't mean the tens of millions of Chinese slaughtered by their fellow Orientals the Japanese in the 1930's and 40's do you?

    In the same way Europeans are very much native to Europe and Asians to Asia even though they came from Africa.

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  102. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Gordo
    Hence the low performance of Portugal against other European countries? 10 percent African admixture. Look ahead!

    African admixture is not evenly spread among the Portuguese population. It varies by region and family with more admixture in southern Portugal than northern Portugal.

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  103. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    @Alcestis Eshtemoa

    Again, not true. The SSA admix is higher than 10% in North Africa, as well as across a lot of the Arabian Peninsula. I do agree with you that the Arab world has a variety of problems. Lots and lots of them.

    SSA admixture is less than 10% in some North African populations such as the Kabyle and Riffian Berbers. It is also less than 10% among most Muslim Arab groups in the Levant.

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    Yes, all of that is correct. But Kabyles etc. notwithstanding, North Africa as a whole is much more admixed than, say, the Levant. And Middle East non-Muslims are in most places less admixed than Muslims, for obvious reasons.

    I have to say it surprised me to see how many clearly SSA-admixed individuals there are in Gaza. Though I guess it shouldn't have given that it's right next to Egypt.

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  104. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    "Is it true that East Asians are the race that is the most genetically distant from Sub Saharan Africans ? So Caucasians can not claim to be the race that is most genetically distant from Sub Saharan Africans ?

    That would explain why all East Asians have bone straight hair if they are the most genetically distant from Sub Saharan Africans."

    I don't know about "the most genetically distant," but East Asians probably are quite distant from sub-Saharan Africans. One can say with greater confidence, within the region, that Northeast Asians are the most distant among Asians. Koreans, in particular, have almost purely Siberian genetics and share fewest African or Austronesian (Southeast Asian) genes. Southern Chinese have the most of the latter among East Asians while Japanese are in between. Similarly, among Europeans, Nordics like Finns, have the least amount of African genes (Finns, for example, are about 85-95% ancient European and 5-15% ancient Siberian). Southern Europeans often have much greater amount of African and Middle Eastern genes for obvious geographic and historical reasons.

    I would caution against making broad statements based on a single phenotype observation ("curly hair").

    I would caution against making broad statements based on a single phenotype observation (“curly hair”).

    Indeed. For example, there are Irish people with curly hair such as Colm Meaneywho have no sub-Saharan admixture.

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  105. @Anonymous
    SSA admixture is less than 10% in some North African populations such as the Kabyle and Riffian Berbers. It is also less than 10% among most Muslim Arab groups in the Levant.

    Yes, all of that is correct. But Kabyles etc. notwithstanding, North Africa as a whole is much more admixed than, say, the Levant. And Middle East non-Muslims are in most places less admixed than Muslims, for obvious reasons.

    I have to say it surprised me to see how many clearly SSA-admixed individuals there are in Gaza. Though I guess it shouldn’t have given that it’s right next to Egypt.

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  106. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Bliss
    The race realists you are talking about aren't really race realists. They are something else. Their fear and loathing of blacks makes less threatening non-blacks (including non-asians) more acceptable and may help them assimilate, although in small numbers. Numerous africans and native americans too have assimilated into the white mainstream. There are tens of millions of whites with some black ancestry. A good example is Nobel Laureate James Watson who was found to be ~15% black genetically while looking 100% white. If your children also marry whites it is possible they will pass as whites. But not necessarily. Look at that TV reality show with 1/4 korean children. None of them look caucasian. On the other hand if a mestizo mexican who is already mixed race has children with a white, they are far more likely to look white.

    You should read about the mass lynchings of chinese, the riots against them etc that occurred when their numbers and competitiveness became threatening to whites. Or look at what happened to native americans a people who came here from Siberia. Their lot in America is far, far worse than that of blacks.

    Like I said before blacks as the bogeyman for whites makes America feel more welcoming to non-black immigrants. Take advantage of it while you can, as you clearly are doing. But when the bogeyman changes watch out.

    A good example is Nobel Laureate James Watson who was found to be ~15% black genetically while looking 100% white.

    This is as likely to be a deCODE genetics testing artefact as it is to be a robust finding. deCODE’s test may have analyzed too few markers in 2007 for a reliable fine-grained admixture study. Many DNA markers are ancestrally ambiguous (i.e. very slightly more common in some populations than others). A trustworthy test would need to analyze a large sample of markers (tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands) and be careful not to overinterpret ambiguous ones as clearly indicating specific population group affinity.

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    I found photos of numerous ancestors of James D. Watson on both sides of the family. It's highly unlikely that he's less than 98+% white. His mother's side of the family were immigrants from Ireland and Scotland, his father's side of the family were rich Republicans in the upper midwest. Watson's uncle, for instance, was chairman of the Physics Dept. at Yale in 1940. The notion that this Yale physicist was 30% black and nobody then or now ever noticed is immensely improbable. DeCode probably just plain messed up.
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  107. @Anonymous
    A good example is Nobel Laureate James Watson who was found to be ~15% black genetically while looking 100% white.

    This is as likely to be a deCODE genetics testing artefact as it is to be a robust finding. deCODE's test may have analyzed too few markers in 2007 for a reliable fine-grained admixture study. Many DNA markers are ancestrally ambiguous (i.e. very slightly more common in some populations than others). A trustworthy test would need to analyze a large sample of markers (tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands) and be careful not to overinterpret ambiguous ones as clearly indicating specific population group affinity.

    I found photos of numerous ancestors of James D. Watson on both sides of the family. It’s highly unlikely that he’s less than 98+% white. His mother’s side of the family were immigrants from Ireland and Scotland, his father’s side of the family were rich Republicans in the upper midwest. Watson’s uncle, for instance, was chairman of the Physics Dept. at Yale in 1940. The notion that this Yale physicist was 30% black and nobody then or now ever noticed is immensely improbable. DeCode probably just plain messed up.

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  108. Jefferson says:

    “The notion that this Yale physicist was 30% black and nobody then or now ever noticed is immensely improbable. DeCode probably just plain messed up.”

    Yeah someone with as much as 30 percent Sub Saharan African admixture is not going to be able to pass as White.

    They are not going to look like Serena Williams or Shaquille O’Neal, but at the minimum they are going to look like someone from the southern region of Egypt or the average Puerto Rican.

    Heck they might look like Eric Holder, lol.

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    And somebody who is 30% black will have loved ones who are obviously black-looking. Arnaud de Borgrave (sp?) could pass in large part because he didn't want to hang around New Orleans, he wanted to move to Manhattan and become a literary lion.

    The Watson clan, in contrast, was quite close and Watson, not surprisingly, was fascinated by his ancestors and included lots of pictures of them in his memoirs.

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  109. @Jefferson
    "The notion that this Yale physicist was 30% black and nobody then or now ever noticed is immensely improbable. DeCode probably just plain messed up."

    Yeah someone with as much as 30 percent Sub Saharan African admixture is not going to be able to pass as White.

    They are not going to look like Serena Williams or Shaquille O'Neal, but at the minimum they are going to look like someone from the southern region of Egypt or the average Puerto Rican.

    Heck they might look like Eric Holder, lol.

    And somebody who is 30% black will have loved ones who are obviously black-looking. Arnaud de Borgrave (sp?) could pass in large part because he didn’t want to hang around New Orleans, he wanted to move to Manhattan and become a literary lion.

    The Watson clan, in contrast, was quite close and Watson, not surprisingly, was fascinated by his ancestors and included lots of pictures of them in his memoirs.

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    I think you're confusing him with Anatole Broyard.
    , @Art Deco
    I think you mean Anatole Broyard. Arnaud de Borchgrave is Belgian.
    , @Anonymous
    Do you mean Anatole Broyard? Arnaud de Borchgrave is a journalist of British and Belgian aristocratic descent.
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  110. @Steve Sailer
    And somebody who is 30% black will have loved ones who are obviously black-looking. Arnaud de Borgrave (sp?) could pass in large part because he didn't want to hang around New Orleans, he wanted to move to Manhattan and become a literary lion.

    The Watson clan, in contrast, was quite close and Watson, not surprisingly, was fascinated by his ancestors and included lots of pictures of them in his memoirs.

    I think you’re confusing him with Anatole Broyard.

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    And somebody who is 30% black will have loved ones who are obviously black-looking. Arnaud de Borgrave (sp?) could pass in large part because he didn't want to hang around New Orleans, he wanted to move to Manhattan and become a literary lion.

    The Watson clan, in contrast, was quite close and Watson, not surprisingly, was fascinated by his ancestors and included lots of pictures of them in his memoirs.

    I think you mean Anatole Broyard. Arnaud de Borchgrave is Belgian.

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  112. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    And somebody who is 30% black will have loved ones who are obviously black-looking. Arnaud de Borgrave (sp?) could pass in large part because he didn't want to hang around New Orleans, he wanted to move to Manhattan and become a literary lion.

    The Watson clan, in contrast, was quite close and Watson, not surprisingly, was fascinated by his ancestors and included lots of pictures of them in his memoirs.

    Do you mean Anatole Broyard? Arnaud de Borchgrave is a journalist of British and Belgian aristocratic descent.

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    "Do you mean Anatole Broyard? Arnaud de Borchgrave is a journalist ..."

    Exactly. In my old age all I remember are initials. A couple of elegant A.B.'s ...

    I even had lunch with Arnaud de Borchgrave once.

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  113. Jefferson says:

    There is not a lot of self identifying White Americans who are neither of North African or Latin American descent, that have as much as 15 percent Sub Saharan African admixture.

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  114. @Anonymous
    Do you mean Anatole Broyard? Arnaud de Borchgrave is a journalist of British and Belgian aristocratic descent.

    “Do you mean Anatole Broyard? Arnaud de Borchgrave is a journalist …”

    Exactly. In my old age all I remember are initials. A couple of elegant A.B.’s …

    I even had lunch with Arnaud de Borchgrave once.

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  115. […] United Kingdom in 1940 had not yet been overrun by the backwash from its imperial expansion, and so was just as white.  Admittedly, there were a handful of Indian […]

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