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Your opinions on the principles of immigration policy aren’t actually all that relevant unless you can explain how they will help us deal with what we see in the world’s most important graph.

 
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  1. Diversity is strength. I’m sure Mexico will be clamoring to scoop up the African overflow.

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    • Replies: @Bubba
    And we all know that Zimbabwe is such a wonderful working model of diversity flooded with desperate white refugees to do the jobs Zimbabweans won't do!
    , @Pat Boyle
    Actually there is no real possibility that the African trend line would take that rapidly rising shape. The population carrying capacity of a nation or a region sets a limit to how many people it will hold. If the African population were to rise as quickly as seen in Steve's graph it would soon fall at same pace. That means there would be a population crash. A sort of lemming effect.

    If the population of any place were to rise that fast it would look more like one cycle of a sine wave - it goes up then it goes down.
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  2. Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU’s population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.

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    Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU’s population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.
     
    "Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!"
    , @Mr. Anon

    Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year.
     
    An exponential function is defined by the relation df/dt = a * f

    As the number goes up, the rate goes up. Same applies to the number who will cross the Med.

    You are very wrong.
    , @(((They))) Live
    Only if you assume the 200K a year have no children, also is the European population rising or falling

    But I'm sure you know that

    , @rogue-one
    Migration is not a linear phenomenon. It is exponential. If I emigrate, it's not just my brother who can find it easier to emigrate. It is my entire family, cousins, and friends who have a support network to help with emigration.

    The graph is reality. And reality is scaremongering.

    Truth is racist.
    , @Anonymous
    Obviously, you have zero understanding of the issue - and of the historic pattern of 'migration' between states with massive income differentials.

    And, most crucially, of 'exponential growth' - and its import and reliable application to the growth of 'migrant populations' in western nations.
    , @ic1000

    Your opinions on the principles of immigration policy aren’t actually all that relevant unless you can explain how they will help us deal with what we see in the world’s most important graph
     
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    > Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU’s population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.

    Commenter #2, representing Davos, phones in to emphasize Steve's point.
    , @Lurker
    Because none of them will have children of course. Jeez.
    , @AndrewR
    Let's play "Spot the False Premises!"
    , @bomag

    At that pace it will take... to hit 1%
     
    So tell us how much adulteration we can add to the nice things in life until they become not so nice?

    Please also tell us what stops the growth. Time sure doesn't stop.

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Where does one begin to mock you statement. You are either a complete idiot or running a PR campaign. I can only hope for you and your children that it's the latter.

    I'll start with you hilarious statement that "Hey, it's just 200k compared to 500 million." Are you really so dense as to not notice that these 200,000 Africans happen to be young men. So no, it's not 200k/500 million or 0.04%, which would be small though given the history of Africans, one is one too many.

    Also, this 500 million number is silly. The Africans are not going throughout Europe, they are targeting the UK, France, Germany, Italy, the low countries and the Nordic countries - western Europe, basically - so we're not talking about 500 million but something in the ball park of 300 million.

    Ok, get ready to put on your thinking cap cause we're going to do some really difficult statistical work. I hope that you made it through the 5th grade. So, we have a population of 300 million. Let's ball park the average age is 80, so ~3.75 million per year (300 million/80). Of course, only half of those are men, so 1.875 million per year.

    Let's assume that the African migrants are between the ages of 20 and 35, so 15 years. The West European male population in that age group is 28.125 million. That's the group that you need to use to determine the impact of the African immigration.

    So, let's look at that. 200k/28.125 million is 0.7%. Assuming that these guys bring over their wives or have babies with ethnic Europeans (and thus preventing a white guy from having that baby), you are increasing the African or bi-racial population of Western Europe by nearly one percent a year.

    If only a quarter of the migrants manage to help a brother or cousin make to Europe, that number go up.

    Western Europe's under-40 population is already likely ~10% non-white, certainly more in some countries such as France. As this rate of African immigration, Western Europe's under-40 population (you know, the age of people who commit crimes and blow stuff up - and, of course, eventually become the total population) would be less than 50% white (and heavily African) in 40 years, probably less. Forty years is not a long time. Forty years ago was 1978.

    If you hate white people and want to see us gone from the Earth. Fine. Just say so. But don't piss on my head and tell me that it's raining.
    , @Big Bill
    And crossing the Atlantic was even more dangerous. That's why the Indians in America had nothing whatsoever to fear from the tiny handful of English Puritans who started arriving in the early 1600s.
    , @Thirdtwin
    What will those Africans be doing when they get to Europe? Eating well, resting plenty, pretending to sell Eiffel Tower trinkets and screwing like rabbits.
    , @George
    "it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1%"

    You are assuming the native population does not decline, and that the rate of non european immigration does not increase.

    The number of immigrants in Europe should be compared by age group not totals. The numbers look more threatening when you look at the under 30 population. The older immigrants don't come until the younger are settled.

    Does it matter? How does German industry support all of Europe, all the immigrants, and compete with the BRIC nations. Some of German industrial competitiveness was due to low social welfare costs and low real estate costs.
    , @Neoconned
    Give up your job, house, car, etc first and then ask the rest of us to pay for this shit.

    Even at 200k per year plus their kids that is a sizable welfare burden to undertake....
    , @edwhy
    and Iran and North Korea won't be able to produce the bomb for decades......
    , @anon

    Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU’s population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.
     
    Two words: Chain Migration.
    , @JollyOldSoul
    1. Assume they won't apply to bring in wives, girlfriends, children and other relatives.

    2. Assume they won't breed any faster than the native populations of those countries, some of whose populations are actually shrinking.

    3. Assume they will be evenly distributed across Europe, rather than specific countries.

    Just a few of the many mistakes you make. Would you bet your country on an irreversible experiment such as this, with populations that haven't shown themselves to be the world's, ih, most civilized or productive?

    200,000 people - and those are just the immigrants coming by boats, not in all the other ways - is quite a lot. It's adding a new city every year. Even in a "country" of 500 million people that's quite a lot.
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  3. I agree. The slow but steady africanization of Europe has been a tragedy. Now that the floodgates are open, disaster looms in a generation. Importing a permanent criminal and unemployed underclass isn’t sustainable.

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    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    Granted, it hasn’t worked in the past. But this time, for sure.
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  4. agreed–

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  5. @blackpilled
    Diversity is strength. I'm sure Mexico will be clamoring to scoop up the African overflow.

    And we all know that Zimbabwe is such a wonderful working model of diversity flooded with desperate white refugees to do the jobs Zimbabweans won’t do!

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    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    Leftist African governments should try hard to get leftist whites to emigrate from the West to serve in the professional jobs that the natives cannot fill. They could also call back their diaspora, but perhaps they rather enjoy receiving remittances versus having those who experienced a less corrupt society demanding the end of one-party rule.

    Instead they prefer to have Chinese state-owned corporations fill these roles. To some extent I can see this as repaying China for funding their independence, but this is the very "neocolonialism" that Western leftist academics kvetch about.
    , @Hubbub

    ...with desperate white refugees to do the jobs Zimbabweans won’t do!
     
    ...with desperate white refugees to do the jobs Zimbabweans can’t do!
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  6. Highly likely that we will see the biggest famine ever happen in Africa within the next few decades.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Even more likely that we'll see another Merkel type response in reply.
    , @Maj. Kong
    Africa wastes a large share of food in the production process. Western countries waste a surprising amount of food at the retail, restaurant and household level. African crop yields are below Western yields and African farmers don't have the education that First World farmers have.

    But there is a country called China that does know a lot about farming, and they are buying up land across Africa. The Chinese need a place to move the dirty industries, a source of cheap labor, and votes in the UN. And China doesn't want to invest in regional rival India.

    The British Empire waged the First World War in part to seize German East Afrika (Tanzania), to complete Cecil Rhodes' dream of the Cape-to-Cairo railway. The railway's lack of completion is one of our greatest tragedies. But the Chinese could finish the job, and put a railway network going East-West.

    We can dream the Chinese might even give the Afrikaners their own country.
    , @Bleuteaux
    There is so much food wasted, it's unbelievable. Free food, free medicine, free energy and free shelter are the reason their population is exploding in the first place. There isn't going to be a famine.
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  7. @Anonymous
    Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU's population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.

    Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU’s population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.

    “Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!”

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    • Replies: @mark p miller
    Touche on the Pauli quote. We may be many things as a political movement, but we are always somewhere between middle and high brow!
    , @The Alarmist
    Leider, Ihr Kommentar ist Quatsch, aber die Erste Kommentar ist total Quatsch.
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  8. The Shithole Curve.

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  9. @Anonymous
    Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU's population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.

    Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year.

    An exponential function is defined by the relation df/dt = a * f

    As the number goes up, the rate goes up. Same applies to the number who will cross the Med.

    You are very wrong.

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    • Replies: @CrunchyButRealistCon
    The "Crossing the Mediterranean is Dangerous" fella is using the same line of mau mau'ing that Julian Simon, Ben Wattenberg & Frank Sharry use.....i.e., don't worry about it, don't be such a scaremonger, xenophobe, just lay back and let events unfold.
    It is a disingenuous gambit as they know full well, that they *WANT* European & western natives displaced, replaced to better soothe their own ethnocentric feelz & agenda.
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  10. @Anonymous
    Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU's population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.

    Only if you assume the 200K a year have no children, also is the European population rising or falling

    But I’m sure you know that

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  11. Hey, what’s so bad about having lots of Blacks around. Things are going great in the UK…..

    Gang rape: Is it a race issue?
    A high proportion of such attacks appears to be carried out by young black men, according to Metropolitan Police statistics. Sorious Samura investigates this horrendous crime- and what it says about Britain today

    In 1999 I witnessed a gang rape in Sierra Leone. I was forced to watch a group of rebel soldiers taking it in turns to rape a young girl in front of an audience of jeering men. It was the height of the civil conflict and rape had become a devastating weapon of war. When I moved to Britain I believed I had escaped such horrific sexual violence. As my Dispatches investigation tomorrow night shows, I was mistaken. Gang rape is happening here – and what I have found most disturbing as an African is that a disproportionate number of these attacks are being carried out by black or mixed-race young men.

    In December, nine schoolboys, some as young as 13 at the time of the attack, were convicted of raping a 14-year-old girl. She was dragged between tower blocks in Hackney where she was threatened with a knife, hit and raped during an ordeal that lasted an hour and a half – some of which was filmed on mobile phones. In January, three men were convicted of gang raping a 16-year-old with learning disabilities for two hours before dousing her with caustic soda in an effort to get rid of the evidence.

    . One of the few police forces to have begun recording the figures of reported gang rape is the Metropolitan Police. In 2008 alone, they received reports of 85 gang rapes. Using the Met’s definition of gang rape – those involving three or more perpetrators – we began to look at the number of convictions. We tracked down 29 cases, from January 2006 to March 2009, in which a total of 92 young people were convicted of involvement in gang rape.

    One fact stood out. Of those convicted, 66 were black or mixed race, 13 were white and the remainder were from other countries including Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.

    The groups of young men I met in London expressed some profoundly disturbing attitudes towards girls and sex. The boys explained how they make arrangements for “line-ups” in which one girl has oral sex with up to six or seven of them at one time. These arrangements might be made at school or on mobile phones.

    Sometimes these girls initially consent because they want to be popular. But these events can spiral into rape because the boys consider that any girl who is prepared to agree to a line-up can be considered fair game. One boy told me: “If she wants to go and meet a bag of boys then she’s probably a jezzie [slut], and if she’s going to a house it’s over – she’s going to get beaten [have sex].”

    The victims’ descriptions of their attacks are horrific. One young victim likened her attack to being “pulled and pushed around like a rag doll”, while another 14-year-old girl described her ordeal when she was gang raped by a total of nine boys who told her that she was not the only girl they had attacked. In that case, nine boys were subsequently convicted of raping her. The youngest perpetrator was just 12 years old.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/gang-rape-is-it-a-race-issue-1711381.html

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    • Replies: @syonredux
    Just look at this list of people who were murdered in London in 2017....such vibrancy!


    Djodjo Nsaka, 19, stabbed, Wembley, January 20

    Quamari Serunkuma-Barnes, 15, stabbed, Willesden, January 23

    David Adegbite, 19, shooting, St Ann's, March 19

    Abdifatah Sheikhey, 19, shooting, Illford, March 21

    Karim Samms, 16, shooting, Rotherhithe, April 7

    Abdullahi Tarabi, 19, stabbed, Northolt, April 11

    Jordon Wright, 19, stabbed, Blackheath, April 19

    Mahamed Hassan, 17, stabbed, Battersea, April 23

    Elijah Dornelly, 17, stabbed, Walthamstow, May 7

    Joao Ricardo Gomes, 18, stabbed, Enfield, May 13

    Abdirahman Mohamed, 17, stabbed, Peckham, June 2

    Osman Sharif, 16, stabbed, Tottenham, June 6

    Mahad Ali, 18, stabbed, Ealing, June 29

    Joshua Bwalya, 16, stabbed, Barking, August 2

    Soban Khan, 18, multiple injuries, Enfield, August 5

    Daniel Namanga, 19, stabbed, Southwark, August 8

    Jermaine Goupall, 15, stabbed, Croydon, August 8

    Abdul Mayanja, 19, shooting, Newham, August 25

    Corey Junior Davis, 14, shooting, Newham, September 4

    Saif Abdul Magid, 18, stabbing, Neasden, October 6

    Aren Mali, 17, stabbing, Croydon, October 29

    Michael Jonas, 17, stabbing, Bromley, November 2

    Kacem Mokrane, 18, stabbing, Walthamstow, died November 20

    Jason Isaacs, 18, stabbing, Northolt, died November 21


    https://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/west-london-news/london-youth-violence-names-24-14091957
    , @Anonymous
    New Year's day in London was marked by four deadly stabbings.
    Also an Indian shopkeeper was beaten to death by declining - as legally obliged - to sell an underaged black a packet of cigarette rolling papers.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Just wanted to say that you always have a very distinct way of posting, which I've come to appreciate greatly.
    , @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    A very small price to pay for the never ending benefits of vibrant diversity.

    But only if you are wealthy and can afford to live in a segregated community completely insulated from the vibrants. Which fits the profile of all of our betters forcing this crap down our throats.
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  12. The traditional form of the Muslim religion cannot conform with modern civilization.

    It just can’t.

    When you find a “cool muslim,” it always means that person is not conforming to one, or more basic Muslim principals, while claiming that he or she is conforming. In every case, you’ll find their claim to be false in one important way or another, according to the muslim religion.

    The Muslim value system is antithetical to western values to the point of appearing to be pathological.

    The sooner our leaders take this as a given, the better chance this country has for long term survival.

    http://abc7ny.com/man-hails-cab-while-date-burns-to-death-in-car-fire/2527340/

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Disagree, but even if your assessment is correct, it is one more reason to leave them be in their countries and let them live as they choose to.
    , @TTSSYF
    Totally agree, based on observation and personal experience. And what often happens is that the "cool" Muslim becomes more and more "uncool" as he/she grows older.
    , @Mr. Anon
    I think Massachusetts just found its next Senator.
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  13. @syonredux
    Hey, what's so bad about having lots of Blacks around. Things are going great in the UK.....

    Gang rape: Is it a race issue?
    A high proportion of such attacks appears to be carried out by young black men, according to Metropolitan Police statistics. Sorious Samura investigates this horrendous crime- and what it says about Britain today
     

    In 1999 I witnessed a gang rape in Sierra Leone. I was forced to watch a group of rebel soldiers taking it in turns to rape a young girl in front of an audience of jeering men. It was the height of the civil conflict and rape had become a devastating weapon of war. When I moved to Britain I believed I had escaped such horrific sexual violence. As my Dispatches investigation tomorrow night shows, I was mistaken. Gang rape is happening here – and what I have found most disturbing as an African is that a disproportionate number of these attacks are being carried out by black or mixed-race young men.
     

    In December, nine schoolboys, some as young as 13 at the time of the attack, were convicted of raping a 14-year-old girl. She was dragged between tower blocks in Hackney where she was threatened with a knife, hit and raped during an ordeal that lasted an hour and a half – some of which was filmed on mobile phones. In January, three men were convicted of gang raping a 16-year-old with learning disabilities for two hours before dousing her with caustic soda in an effort to get rid of the evidence.
     

    . One of the few police forces to have begun recording the figures of reported gang rape is the Metropolitan Police. In 2008 alone, they received reports of 85 gang rapes. Using the Met's definition of gang rape – those involving three or more perpetrators – we began to look at the number of convictions. We tracked down 29 cases, from January 2006 to March 2009, in which a total of 92 young people were convicted of involvement in gang rape.

    One fact stood out. Of those convicted, 66 were black or mixed race, 13 were white and the remainder were from other countries including Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.
     


    The groups of young men I met in London expressed some profoundly disturbing attitudes towards girls and sex. The boys explained how they make arrangements for "line-ups" in which one girl has oral sex with up to six or seven of them at one time. These arrangements might be made at school or on mobile phones.

    Sometimes these girls initially consent because they want to be popular. But these events can spiral into rape because the boys consider that any girl who is prepared to agree to a line-up can be considered fair game. One boy told me: "If she wants to go and meet a bag of boys then she's probably a jezzie [slut], and if she's going to a house it's over – she's going to get beaten [have sex]."
     


    The victims' descriptions of their attacks are horrific. One young victim likened her attack to being "pulled and pushed around like a rag doll", while another 14-year-old girl described her ordeal when she was gang raped by a total of nine boys who told her that she was not the only girl they had attacked. In that case, nine boys were subsequently convicted of raping her. The youngest perpetrator was just 12 years old.

     

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/gang-rape-is-it-a-race-issue-1711381.html

    Just look at this list of people who were murdered in London in 2017….such vibrancy!

    Djodjo Nsaka, 19, stabbed, Wembley, January 20

    Quamari Serunkuma-Barnes, 15, stabbed, Willesden, January 23

    David Adegbite, 19, shooting, St Ann’s, March 19

    Abdifatah Sheikhey, 19, shooting, Illford, March 21

    Karim Samms, 16, shooting, Rotherhithe, April 7

    Abdullahi Tarabi, 19, stabbed, Northolt, April 11

    Jordon Wright, 19, stabbed, Blackheath, April 19

    Mahamed Hassan, 17, stabbed, Battersea, April 23

    Elijah Dornelly, 17, stabbed, Walthamstow, May 7

    Joao Ricardo Gomes, 18, stabbed, Enfield, May 13

    Abdirahman Mohamed, 17, stabbed, Peckham, June 2

    Osman Sharif, 16, stabbed, Tottenham, June 6

    Mahad Ali, 18, stabbed, Ealing, June 29

    Joshua Bwalya, 16, stabbed, Barking, August 2

    Soban Khan, 18, multiple injuries, Enfield, August 5

    Daniel Namanga, 19, stabbed, Southwark, August 8

    Jermaine Goupall, 15, stabbed, Croydon, August 8

    Abdul Mayanja, 19, shooting, Newham, August 25

    Corey Junior Davis, 14, shooting, Newham, September 4

    Saif Abdul Magid, 18, stabbing, Neasden, October 6

    Aren Mali, 17, stabbing, Croydon, October 29

    Michael Jonas, 17, stabbing, Bromley, November 2

    Kacem Mokrane, 18, stabbing, Walthamstow, died November 20

    Jason Isaacs, 18, stabbing, Northolt, died November 21

    https://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/west-london-news/london-youth-violence-names-24-14091957

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    • Replies: @europeasant
    That's why they have to import more every year, to keep up with the losses.
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  14. Why aren’t India, Southeast Asia, and East Asia include in this graph?

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    • Agree: Opinionator
    • Replies: @rogue-one
    These countries population, while being massive, has been stabilized. They posses reasonable degree of effective governance (nothing like the west, but also not like Niger either). Most importantly, they are geographically isolated. It's much harder to emigrate illegally from India. You can't just cross the Mediterranean.

    On the other hand, Africa has exceptionally poor governance, is right next to Europe, and can and will send armies of migrants to colonize Europe.
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  15. How are we going to deal with it? Simple–the way we deal with most of our serious problems, like crushing debt and wealth stratification. We’ll ignore it until it completely ruins us. Oh sure, we’ll offer token gestures here and there, but that’s only window-dressing.

    If the wealthy and powerful wanted these issues addressed substantively, it would have been done long ago. But the wealthy and powerful are in it for themselves, not for the good of humanity.

    Africa and Asia aren’t going to become more like Europe and America. Quite the contrary. And it won’t be pretty.

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  16. @thetruth
    The traditional form of the Muslim religion cannot conform with modern civilization.

    It just can't.

    When you find a "cool muslim," it always means that person is not conforming to one, or more basic Muslim principals, while claiming that he or she is conforming. In every case, you'll find their claim to be false in one important way or another, according to the muslim religion.

    The Muslim value system is antithetical to western values to the point of appearing to be pathological.

    The sooner our leaders take this as a given, the better chance this country has for long term survival.

    http://abc7ny.com/man-hails-cab-while-date-burns-to-death-in-car-fire/2527340/

    Disagree, but even if your assessment is correct, it is one more reason to leave them be in their countries and let them live as they choose to.

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    it is one more reason to leave them be in their countries and let them live as they choose to.
     
    Not to mention banning Muslim immigration to the West.
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  17. @Anonymous
    Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU's population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.

    Migration is not a linear phenomenon. It is exponential. If I emigrate, it’s not just my brother who can find it easier to emigrate. It is my entire family, cousins, and friends who have a support network to help with emigration.

    The graph is reality. And reality is scaremongering.

    Truth is racist.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Why would there be an exponential increase in Mediterranean crossings? Are the waters going to get any less dangerous? Population increase in West Africa where most migrants emerge may gradually increase as more West Africans want to try but at the same time an increase in average income in West Africa due to a growing population will also discourage further crossings because it takes a lot of personal savings to pay for the buses and trucks to get across the Sahel.

    I believe the number of migrants crossing the Mediterranean will remain stable over the decades at 200,000 per year. That's not a civilization challenging problem.
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  18. @Opinionator
    Why aren't India, Southeast Asia, and East Asia include in this graph?

    These countries population, while being massive, has been stabilized. They posses reasonable degree of effective governance (nothing like the west, but also not like Niger either). Most importantly, they are geographically isolated. It’s much harder to emigrate illegally from India. You can’t just cross the Mediterranean.

    On the other hand, Africa has exceptionally poor governance, is right next to Europe, and can and will send armies of migrants to colonize Europe.

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    Can you supply numbers and projections in support of that assertion?

    Even if it had really stabilized, the graph would be more persuasive with such a big chunk of humanity included: it provides an additional point of comparison to Africa, puts Europe's population in better perspective, and gives a fuller sense of the overpopulation of the globe.

    Without it, you don't have those things and you also have a question mark as to comparative importance of Africa.

    , @Lurker
    'Just crossing' the Med is no joke either. But if a fleet of NATO ships and NGO hired vessels are waiting to collect you along the North African coast, well, suddenly it's quite doable.
    , @Autochthon

    You can’t just cross the Mediterranean.
     
    Right, Hindoos and Chinamen have to go to all the hassle of booking a flight and filing a few papers for their alphabet soup of visas as students, workers, student-workers, relatives of their invading predecessors, asylees.... Any look at demography in America and Europe probatively demonstrates these obstacles are indeed proving impossibly daunting, and so nary an Asian makes it in....
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    No, Steve, you’ve got it just wrong.

    According to The Economist – basically the voice of the Deep State – the ‘solution’ to all of the western world’s economic problems, (that’s the western world, mind you, and only the western world), is to actively welcome the entire African population increase into the west.

    The “logic” goes something like this – ‘more Africans planted in Europe = more wealth’.

    What The Economist wants, The Economist gets.

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  20. @Anonymous
    Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU's population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.

    Obviously, you have zero understanding of the issue – and of the historic pattern of ‘migration’ between states with massive income differentials.

    And, most crucially, of ‘exponential growth’ – and its import and reliable application to the growth of ‘migrant populations’ in western nations.

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  21. @voim
    Highly likely that we will see the biggest famine ever happen in Africa within the next few decades.

    Even more likely that we’ll see another Merkel type response in reply.

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  22. @syonredux
    Hey, what's so bad about having lots of Blacks around. Things are going great in the UK.....

    Gang rape: Is it a race issue?
    A high proportion of such attacks appears to be carried out by young black men, according to Metropolitan Police statistics. Sorious Samura investigates this horrendous crime- and what it says about Britain today
     

    In 1999 I witnessed a gang rape in Sierra Leone. I was forced to watch a group of rebel soldiers taking it in turns to rape a young girl in front of an audience of jeering men. It was the height of the civil conflict and rape had become a devastating weapon of war. When I moved to Britain I believed I had escaped such horrific sexual violence. As my Dispatches investigation tomorrow night shows, I was mistaken. Gang rape is happening here – and what I have found most disturbing as an African is that a disproportionate number of these attacks are being carried out by black or mixed-race young men.
     

    In December, nine schoolboys, some as young as 13 at the time of the attack, were convicted of raping a 14-year-old girl. She was dragged between tower blocks in Hackney where she was threatened with a knife, hit and raped during an ordeal that lasted an hour and a half – some of which was filmed on mobile phones. In January, three men were convicted of gang raping a 16-year-old with learning disabilities for two hours before dousing her with caustic soda in an effort to get rid of the evidence.
     

    . One of the few police forces to have begun recording the figures of reported gang rape is the Metropolitan Police. In 2008 alone, they received reports of 85 gang rapes. Using the Met's definition of gang rape – those involving three or more perpetrators – we began to look at the number of convictions. We tracked down 29 cases, from January 2006 to March 2009, in which a total of 92 young people were convicted of involvement in gang rape.

    One fact stood out. Of those convicted, 66 were black or mixed race, 13 were white and the remainder were from other countries including Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.
     


    The groups of young men I met in London expressed some profoundly disturbing attitudes towards girls and sex. The boys explained how they make arrangements for "line-ups" in which one girl has oral sex with up to six or seven of them at one time. These arrangements might be made at school or on mobile phones.

    Sometimes these girls initially consent because they want to be popular. But these events can spiral into rape because the boys consider that any girl who is prepared to agree to a line-up can be considered fair game. One boy told me: "If she wants to go and meet a bag of boys then she's probably a jezzie [slut], and if she's going to a house it's over – she's going to get beaten [have sex]."
     


    The victims' descriptions of their attacks are horrific. One young victim likened her attack to being "pulled and pushed around like a rag doll", while another 14-year-old girl described her ordeal when she was gang raped by a total of nine boys who told her that she was not the only girl they had attacked. In that case, nine boys were subsequently convicted of raping her. The youngest perpetrator was just 12 years old.

     

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/gang-rape-is-it-a-race-issue-1711381.html

    New Year’s day in London was marked by four deadly stabbings.
    Also an Indian shopkeeper was beaten to death by declining – as legally obliged – to sell an underaged black a packet of cigarette rolling papers.

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    >Also an Indian shopkeeper was beaten to death by declining – as legally obliged – to sell an underaged black a packet of cigarette rolling papers.

    This is why the coalition of fringes is fragile. As long as whites remain the "new jews" whom it is okay to hate and organize against, the coalition will remain. But once the whites are marginalized, the coalition will split along ethnic lines turning the west into Africa or India composed of several ethic groups who hate and distrust each other.
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    “In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”

    Theodore Dalrymple
    , @Anonymous
    'Mike Enoch Powell' more like.
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  24. @eah
    https://twitter.com/mikeenochsback/status/951681199960940544

    “In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is…in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”

    Theodore Dalrymple

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    Yes! I thought the same when I saw Enoch’s post -Dalrymple!
    Looks like Moldbug is getting quoted about the systemic lies as well

    "we live under a system of government which is bound together by the same glue that held up Communism: lies"— Moldbug #NRx— Hueless Joe Jackson (@HuelessJoe) January 12, 2018
     
    , @Bleuteaux
    This can't be quoted often enough.
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  25. @Opinionator
    Disagree, but even if your assessment is correct, it is one more reason to leave them be in their countries and let them live as they choose to.

    it is one more reason to leave them be in their countries and let them live as they choose to.

    Not to mention banning Muslim immigration to the West.

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    Ban all immigration to the West. Just as the East and the Southern Hemisphere effectively ban all immigration. Good for the goose...
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  26. @syonredux

    it is one more reason to leave them be in their countries and let them live as they choose to.
     
    Not to mention banning Muslim immigration to the West.

    Ban all immigration to the West. Just as the East and the Southern Hemisphere effectively ban all immigration. Good for the goose…

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  27. @eah
    https://twitter.com/mikeenochsback/status/951681199960940544

    ‘Mike Enoch Powell’ more like.

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    And just like Mike Powell, Enoch Powell also was honest in what he believed. Reality is what it is, whether we like or not.
    , @Johan Schmidt
    It's a pseudonym so that's almost certainly why he chose it, yes.
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  28. @Anonymous
    New Year's day in London was marked by four deadly stabbings.
    Also an Indian shopkeeper was beaten to death by declining - as legally obliged - to sell an underaged black a packet of cigarette rolling papers.

    >Also an Indian shopkeeper was beaten to death by declining – as legally obliged – to sell an underaged black a packet of cigarette rolling papers.

    This is why the coalition of fringes is fragile. As long as whites remain the “new jews” whom it is okay to hate and organize against, the coalition will remain. But once the whites are marginalized, the coalition will split along ethnic lines turning the west into Africa or India composed of several ethic groups who hate and distrust each other.

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    Many of the Indians (both muslim and hindu, parsi etc. prePartition origins) in Britain came from Idi Amin Dada's wonderful liberated Uganda, and are more than 'woke' about at least one one of those other ethnic groups. Mr Patel was a Gujarati, been here for 12 years.
    As I say, very woke. It's endemic.

    In 2011, 5-year-old Thusha Kamaleswaran was shot in the chest, at her relatives's shop in Stockwell. Teenagers had attacked the shop with gunfire in attempt to kill their rivals.
     
    Ah, teenagers! (/Ivan Ooze). Those cheeky little scamps, what with their acid and all!
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  29. @rogue-one
    These countries population, while being massive, has been stabilized. They posses reasonable degree of effective governance (nothing like the west, but also not like Niger either). Most importantly, they are geographically isolated. It's much harder to emigrate illegally from India. You can't just cross the Mediterranean.

    On the other hand, Africa has exceptionally poor governance, is right next to Europe, and can and will send armies of migrants to colonize Europe.

    Can you supply numbers and projections in support of that assertion?

    Even if it had really stabilized, the graph would be more persuasive with such a big chunk of humanity included: it provides an additional point of comparison to Africa, puts Europe’s population in better perspective, and gives a fuller sense of the overpopulation of the globe.

    Without it, you don’t have those things and you also have a question mark as to comparative importance of Africa.

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    1. Population of Vietnam : https://www.populationpyramid.net/viet-nam/2100/
    93 million right now to 105 million in 2100.

    2. Population of China: https://www.populationpyramid.net/china/2100/
    1.3 billion right now to almost 1 billion in 2100.

    3. Population of India: https://www.populationpyramid.net/india/2100/
    1.3 billion right now to almost 1.6 billion in 2100

    If you look at the shape of all graphs, the population seems to stabilize around 2050 (or has already stabilized) and then declines. The graph for subsaharan Africa on the other hand shows exponential growth with no sign of decline.

    1. Population of Niger: https://www.populationpyramid.net/niger/2100/
    19 million right now to 209 million in 2100.

    2. Population of Congo: https://www.populationpyramid.net/democratic-republic-of-the-congo/2100/
    77 million right now to 388 million in 2100.

    3. Mozambique: https://www.populationpyramid.net/mozambique/2100/
    27 million right now to 127 million in 2100.

    Once again, the shape of the graph is important. The populations increase massively while the rate of increase shows no sign of decline.


    >Without it, you don’t have those things and you also have a question mark as to comparative importance of Africa.

    I think the most important reason why Africa is important unlike Viet Nam is that Africa is right next to Europe. Failed states like Libya (or possibly Algeria in future) can become massive laughing pads for Africans in scramble for Europe. Even if Indians decide to emigrate to Europe, the path is much more difficult and much easier to block.
    , @TTSSYF
    Why would two more basically horizontal lines on the graph make you feel any better about the exponential trajectory shown for Africa?
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  30. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @rogue-one
    Migration is not a linear phenomenon. It is exponential. If I emigrate, it's not just my brother who can find it easier to emigrate. It is my entire family, cousins, and friends who have a support network to help with emigration.

    The graph is reality. And reality is scaremongering.

    Truth is racist.

    Why would there be an exponential increase in Mediterranean crossings? Are the waters going to get any less dangerous? Population increase in West Africa where most migrants emerge may gradually increase as more West Africans want to try but at the same time an increase in average income in West Africa due to a growing population will also discourage further crossings because it takes a lot of personal savings to pay for the buses and trucks to get across the Sahel.

    I believe the number of migrants crossing the Mediterranean will remain stable over the decades at 200,000 per year. That’s not a civilization challenging problem.

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    Do you think there is a turnstile in North Africa that only allows 200,000 people per year through?
    , @Peter Lund
    You know they aren't actually crossing the Mediterranean, right?

    It's not particularly dangerous to sail a few kilometers out from the coast when the weather is good and your smugglers have already notified the European humanitarian rescue organizations (who are totally not smugglers!) who transport you the rest of the way to Europe in big, safe ships.
    , @rogue-one
    Because water isn't the only thing stopping migrants. I cannot just cross mediterranean and think of immigrating to Egypt. I do not know the local culture, how to get job there, etc. However, if I have a cousin there and I can crash on his couch while I navigate the local culture & bureaucracy, I will be much more likely to take my chances and immigrate illegally.

    Secondly, many of migrants coming right now as refugees will be eligible to become citizens (at least in France) in 3 years. They can then legally sponsor their brothers, sisters, etc. Stopping family reunification is very difficult as per european laws.

    So yeah, the number will keep increasing exponentially.
    , @TTSSYF
    As Africa becomes increasingly populated and unstable, crossing the Mediterranean becomes more attractive in relative terms. People jumped out of the twin towers on 9/11 rather than burn alive.
    , @Pericles
    Better stay anonymous, because you're getting embarrassing.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    The Mediterranean is a big lake. It is not particularly dangerous among the world's waters. Hell, if you can get to the 12-mile mark, the European governments will ferry you the rest of the way across.
    , @Anonymous
    ...believe *that*, believe anything.
    , @bomag
    Think of it as osmotic pressure; if there is the need and will to migrate, more people means more pressure and more ways to move.
    , @Chrisnonymous

    Population increase in West Africa where most migrants emerge may gradually increase as more West Africans want to try
     
    Try what? Try sex? What are you talking about?

    but at the same time an increase in average income in West Africa due to a growing population will also discourage further crossings because it takes a lot of personal savings to pay for
     
    Ah! I see! People will have more money, so they will be discouraged from spending money! Makes sense. Those blacks are so good at saving and investing!
    , @Jack D

    Population increase in West Africa where most migrants emerge may gradually increase
     
    Are you blind, man? Do you see the graph above? Does that look gradual to you, because it looks exponential to me.

    but at the same time an increase in average income in West Africa due to a growing population will also discourage further crossings because it takes a lot of personal savings to pay for the buses and trucks to get across the Sahel.
     
    This is exactly backward. If average incomes are increasing, then MORE people will have the money to pay smugglers. Not to mention the exponential effects of chain migration - your brother/ husband/ father/ cousin makes it to Europe and sends you the money to pay the smugglers.
    , @istevefan

    I believe the number of migrants crossing the Mediterranean will remain stable over the decades at 200,000 per year. That’s not a civilization challenging problem.
     
    Mass immigration is a civilization challenging problem. The mass immigration of Europeans into the Americas was a civilization challenge to the Indians. The mass immigration of non-Europeans into the USA since 1965 is a civilization challenge. And the mass immigration of 200K annually from Africa into Europe will be a civilization challenge to European nations as well.

    Mass immigration leads to civilization challenges. Mass immigration by nature radically alters the demographics of a nation or place, and therefore leads to a change in the civilization. It's akin to an invasion. You may consider the change for the better or the worst. But it does lead to change which by nature is a challenge.
    , @NOTA
    The issue is simply that anything like open borders plus an exponentially growing very poor and desperate population of potential immigrants seems like it leads to a massive number of poor desperate immigrants coming into your country. You should have some answer for why that won’t happen if you propose an immigration policy. “Because we won’t give them visas or let them stay” is fine, but how do you decide when to start restricting entry?

    The Mediterranean isn’t some uncrossable barrier. The refugees from Africa are overwhelmingly very poor, and the coyotes bringing them to Europe don’t care how many of their customers drown—that’s why it’s dangerous now. But that could easily change, especially with an explicit policy to take a lot of immigrants from poor overpopulated bits of Africa.
    , @Mr. Anon

    I believe the number of migrants crossing the Mediterranean will remain stable over the decades at 200,000 per year. That’s not a civilization challenging problem.
     
    Your council would be very comforting to the Carthaginian empire, celtic Britain, the Western Roman Empire, and the Visigothic kingdom of North Africa..................if those civilizations still existed.
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  31. @Anonymous
    Why would there be an exponential increase in Mediterranean crossings? Are the waters going to get any less dangerous? Population increase in West Africa where most migrants emerge may gradually increase as more West Africans want to try but at the same time an increase in average income in West Africa due to a growing population will also discourage further crossings because it takes a lot of personal savings to pay for the buses and trucks to get across the Sahel.

    I believe the number of migrants crossing the Mediterranean will remain stable over the decades at 200,000 per year. That's not a civilization challenging problem.

    Do you think there is a turnstile in North Africa that only allows 200,000 people per year through?

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    The Mediterranean is the turnstile. A few thousand Africans drown every year. That deters most from trying to cross.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    Yep. It's called Organized Crime (Italian division). If there wasn't a market for them, they'd stay on the beach in N Africa forever, NGOs be damned. Don't want to flood whatever demand exists and devalue one's merchandise.
    Offers, refusing, fishes, you know the drill.
    , @Inquiring Mind
    "There is no turnstile."

    "Don't you think I know that? There was, but not anymore!"

    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Doomsday_Machine_(episode)
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  32. @Anonymous
    Why would there be an exponential increase in Mediterranean crossings? Are the waters going to get any less dangerous? Population increase in West Africa where most migrants emerge may gradually increase as more West Africans want to try but at the same time an increase in average income in West Africa due to a growing population will also discourage further crossings because it takes a lot of personal savings to pay for the buses and trucks to get across the Sahel.

    I believe the number of migrants crossing the Mediterranean will remain stable over the decades at 200,000 per year. That's not a civilization challenging problem.

    You know they aren’t actually crossing the Mediterranean, right?

    It’s not particularly dangerous to sail a few kilometers out from the coast when the weather is good and your smugglers have already notified the European humanitarian rescue organizations (who are totally not smugglers!) who transport you the rest of the way to Europe in big, safe ships.

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    3,100 migrants died trying to cross the Med last year so it is very dangerous.
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  33. But more Africans means more of the most important thing in the world — ¡Diversity!

    “In fact, there is more genetic diversity within Africa than in the rest of the world. Two black Africans are more likely to be more different to each other than they are to a white person or even an east Asian.”

    UCL to investigate eugenics conference secretly held on campus

    Adam Rutherford is a true heir to Stevie Gould.

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  34. mr. president just descibed immigration from “haiti, el salvador and Africa” as “s#holes” within the immigration “debate”…

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/11/trump-stomps-durbin-gardner-amnesty-plus-proposal/

    http://mymemes.biz/yes-baby-meme/

    You go Mr. Trump!

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  35. Hillary called us deplorables. Trump called Haiti and Africa deplorables. Yet, MSM favors Haiti and Africa over us.

    Also, thinking presidential wannabe Oprah needs to speak up.

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  36. @Anonymous
    Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU's population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.

    Your opinions on the principles of immigration policy aren’t actually all that relevant unless you can explain how they will help us deal with what we see in the world’s most important graph

    .
    > Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU’s population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.

    Commenter #2, representing Davos, phones in to emphasize Steve’s point.

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  37. @Anonymous
    Why would there be an exponential increase in Mediterranean crossings? Are the waters going to get any less dangerous? Population increase in West Africa where most migrants emerge may gradually increase as more West Africans want to try but at the same time an increase in average income in West Africa due to a growing population will also discourage further crossings because it takes a lot of personal savings to pay for the buses and trucks to get across the Sahel.

    I believe the number of migrants crossing the Mediterranean will remain stable over the decades at 200,000 per year. That's not a civilization challenging problem.

    Because water isn’t the only thing stopping migrants. I cannot just cross mediterranean and think of immigrating to Egypt. I do not know the local culture, how to get job there, etc. However, if I have a cousin there and I can crash on his couch while I navigate the local culture & bureaucracy, I will be much more likely to take my chances and immigrate illegally.

    Secondly, many of migrants coming right now as refugees will be eligible to become citizens (at least in France) in 3 years. They can then legally sponsor their brothers, sisters, etc. Stopping family reunification is very difficult as per european laws.

    So yeah, the number will keep increasing exponentially.

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  38. @Bubba
    And we all know that Zimbabwe is such a wonderful working model of diversity flooded with desperate white refugees to do the jobs Zimbabweans won't do!

    Leftist African governments should try hard to get leftist whites to emigrate from the West to serve in the professional jobs that the natives cannot fill. They could also call back their diaspora, but perhaps they rather enjoy receiving remittances versus having those who experienced a less corrupt society demanding the end of one-party rule.

    Instead they prefer to have Chinese state-owned corporations fill these roles. To some extent I can see this as repaying China for funding their independence, but this is the very “neocolonialism” that Western leftist academics kvetch about.

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    That was a really interesting comment and thank you! I would be drunk with joy for days if leftists in the U.S. would put their money where their mouths are and moved to Africa to "help" them. As long as they renounce their U.S. citizenship and cannot return!
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  39. @Opinionator
    Can you supply numbers and projections in support of that assertion?

    Even if it had really stabilized, the graph would be more persuasive with such a big chunk of humanity included: it provides an additional point of comparison to Africa, puts Europe's population in better perspective, and gives a fuller sense of the overpopulation of the globe.

    Without it, you don't have those things and you also have a question mark as to comparative importance of Africa.

    1. Population of Vietnam : https://www.populationpyramid.net/viet-nam/2100/
    93 million right now to 105 million in 2100.

    2. Population of China: https://www.populationpyramid.net/china/2100/
    1.3 billion right now to almost 1 billion in 2100.

    3. Population of India: https://www.populationpyramid.net/india/2100/
    1.3 billion right now to almost 1.6 billion in 2100

    If you look at the shape of all graphs, the population seems to stabilize around 2050 (or has already stabilized) and then declines. The graph for subsaharan Africa on the other hand shows exponential growth with no sign of decline.

    1. Population of Niger: https://www.populationpyramid.net/niger/2100/
    19 million right now to 209 million in 2100.

    2. Population of Congo: https://www.populationpyramid.net/democratic-republic-of-the-congo/2100/
    77 million right now to 388 million in 2100.

    3. Mozambique: https://www.populationpyramid.net/mozambique/2100/
    27 million right now to 127 million in 2100.

    Once again, the shape of the graph is important. The populations increase massively while the rate of increase shows no sign of decline.

    >Without it, you don’t have those things and you also have a question mark as to comparative importance of Africa.

    I think the most important reason why Africa is important unlike Viet Nam is that Africa is right next to Europe. Failed states like Libya (or possibly Algeria in future) can become massive laughing pads for Africans in scramble for Europe. Even if Indians decide to emigrate to Europe, the path is much more difficult and much easier to block.

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  40. @Almost Missouri
    Do you think there is a turnstile in North Africa that only allows 200,000 people per year through?

    The Mediterranean is the turnstile. A few thousand Africans drown every year. That deters most from trying to cross.

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    The World's Most Important Graph implies a fairly strong deterrent to remaining in Africa in the near future. Do you think perhaps mass starvation might impel a few additional Africans to brave the waters?

    Or borders, for that matter?

    Or inventivize bleeding-hearts to help them across the water?

    Do you think it's only the roughness of the water that limits the number at 200,000, by the way? You don't think there'll be more the greater foothold Africans have on the European continent?

    Just how limited is your imagination?

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  41. @voim
    Highly likely that we will see the biggest famine ever happen in Africa within the next few decades.

    Africa wastes a large share of food in the production process. Western countries waste a surprising amount of food at the retail, restaurant and household level. African crop yields are below Western yields and African farmers don’t have the education that First World farmers have.

    But there is a country called China that does know a lot about farming, and they are buying up land across Africa. The Chinese need a place to move the dirty industries, a source of cheap labor, and votes in the UN. And China doesn’t want to invest in regional rival India.

    The British Empire waged the First World War in part to seize German East Afrika (Tanzania), to complete Cecil Rhodes’ dream of the Cape-to-Cairo railway. The railway’s lack of completion is one of our greatest tragedies. But the Chinese could finish the job, and put a railway network going East-West.

    We can dream the Chinese might even give the Afrikaners their own country.

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    The railway’s lack of completion is one of our greatest tragedies.
     
    Huh?

    The slave trade--bring blacks to the New World? Sure. A railway?
    , @Bubba

    We can dream the Chinese might even give the Afrikaners their own country.
     
    Now that would be a Chinese miracle for the Afrikaners! I only wish it could happen sooner if it does!
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  42. @thetruth
    The traditional form of the Muslim religion cannot conform with modern civilization.

    It just can't.

    When you find a "cool muslim," it always means that person is not conforming to one, or more basic Muslim principals, while claiming that he or she is conforming. In every case, you'll find their claim to be false in one important way or another, according to the muslim religion.

    The Muslim value system is antithetical to western values to the point of appearing to be pathological.

    The sooner our leaders take this as a given, the better chance this country has for long term survival.

    http://abc7ny.com/man-hails-cab-while-date-burns-to-death-in-car-fire/2527340/

    Totally agree, based on observation and personal experience. And what often happens is that the “cool” Muslim becomes more and more “uncool” as he/she grows older.

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  43. @Anonymous
    'Mike Enoch Powell' more like.

    And just like Mike Powell, Enoch Powell also was honest in what he believed. Reality is what it is, whether we like or not.

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  44. @Opinionator
    Can you supply numbers and projections in support of that assertion?

    Even if it had really stabilized, the graph would be more persuasive with such a big chunk of humanity included: it provides an additional point of comparison to Africa, puts Europe's population in better perspective, and gives a fuller sense of the overpopulation of the globe.

    Without it, you don't have those things and you also have a question mark as to comparative importance of Africa.

    Why would two more basically horizontal lines on the graph make you feel any better about the exponential trajectory shown for Africa?

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  45. @Anonymous
    Why would there be an exponential increase in Mediterranean crossings? Are the waters going to get any less dangerous? Population increase in West Africa where most migrants emerge may gradually increase as more West Africans want to try but at the same time an increase in average income in West Africa due to a growing population will also discourage further crossings because it takes a lot of personal savings to pay for the buses and trucks to get across the Sahel.

    I believe the number of migrants crossing the Mediterranean will remain stable over the decades at 200,000 per year. That's not a civilization challenging problem.

    As Africa becomes increasingly populated and unstable, crossing the Mediterranean becomes more attractive in relative terms. People jumped out of the twin towers on 9/11 rather than burn alive.

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  46. @Anonymous
    Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU's population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.

    Because none of them will have children of course. Jeez.

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    I think the Davos line on their children is that we are so wonderful and our educational system is so excellent that the children of migrants will all become doctors, lawyers, bankers, etc. If any of them fail or are left behind, it is the fault of the racist, nativist, white nationalist, legacy population who just can't hurry up and die already.
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  47. @rogue-one
    These countries population, while being massive, has been stabilized. They posses reasonable degree of effective governance (nothing like the west, but also not like Niger either). Most importantly, they are geographically isolated. It's much harder to emigrate illegally from India. You can't just cross the Mediterranean.

    On the other hand, Africa has exceptionally poor governance, is right next to Europe, and can and will send armies of migrants to colonize Europe.

    ‘Just crossing’ the Med is no joke either. But if a fleet of NATO ships and NGO hired vessels are waiting to collect you along the North African coast, well, suddenly it’s quite doable.

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    Indeed.

    Contemporary accounts from other divers in the Med are telling me that they are seeing a lot more large sharks moving into the area, possibly because of the invaders falling overboard.
    , @Jack D
    People have been crossing the Mediterranean safely since ancient times. Of course if there are hundreds of people crammed into a leaky rubber raft or overloaded and worm eaten fishing boat then it is not so safe.
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  49. Here is a great post by Anatoly K on why the nervous pearl-clutching on “The Most Important Graph In The World” is perhaps rather overblown. Africa will quite possibly adapt to the rise in population (twice as much arable land available than India for starters). You would probably have heard similar panic in 1950 if a time-traveller had let anyone know Asia’s population was going to triple to 4.4 billion in 2010.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/afrotriumphalism/

    Read the whole thing as they say.

    He really deserves more page views then he gets, each post of his is quite considered.

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    http://www.prosperity.com/globe/ethiopia

    His big case of African progress is Ethiopia. 134th in the world. It is bottom 5-10% in the world by eyeballing the graph. Wonderful. Just like Mozambique, the darling of the Peace Corps crowd a few years ago. I can't for the life of me imagine why Karlin does not get as many page views as Sailer.
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  50. @Anonymous
    'Mike Enoch Powell' more like.

    It’s a pseudonym so that’s almost certainly why he chose it, yes.

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  51. @Anonymous
    Why would there be an exponential increase in Mediterranean crossings? Are the waters going to get any less dangerous? Population increase in West Africa where most migrants emerge may gradually increase as more West Africans want to try but at the same time an increase in average income in West Africa due to a growing population will also discourage further crossings because it takes a lot of personal savings to pay for the buses and trucks to get across the Sahel.

    I believe the number of migrants crossing the Mediterranean will remain stable over the decades at 200,000 per year. That's not a civilization challenging problem.

    Better stay anonymous, because you’re getting embarrassing.

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  52. OT – War on Poland continues:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/opinion/europe-western-values-poland.html

    The Battle Line for Western Values Runs Through Poland

    The European Union is the West’s last line of defense. The United States has historically been the world’s anchor of republican ideals, but President Trump has abandoned the role, openly admiring strongmen like Vladimir Putin of Russia. As the temptations of nationalist populism spread, Europe has responsibility for holding down the Western fort. The primary battle right now is over Poland, which is deepening its descent into illiberalism. The European Union needs to take a firm stand in defense of Western values.

    Poland’s leading role in the collapse of the Soviet bloc makes its illiberal slide all the more arresting.

    The European Union must hold the line against Warsaw’s defection from the union’s core values — not just for the sake of liberal democracy in Poland but also for the democratic credentials of the union itself.

    But the European Union can no longer afford to treat wayward members with kid gloves. If Poland does not reverse course, Brussels should proceed with efforts to suspend its voting rights. This requires consent from all but the sanctioned party, but even if Hungary blocks these moves, the effort itself will send a strong message to Poles. And a Hungarian veto would give the European Union additional cause for taking overdue steps to discipline Budapest.

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    I saw this on episode of House, MD

    There was a vote by the board to kick House out of the hospital. It needed to be unanimous and House's friend Wilson was the one vote to retain House. So the bad guy made a motion to kick Wilson off the board, which Wilson wasn't allowed to vote on.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Poland’s leading role in the collapse of the Soviet bloc makes its illiberal slide all the more arresting.

    ...................................................

    But the European Union can no longer afford to treat wayward members with kid gloves. If Poland does not reverse course, Brussels should proceed with efforts to suspend its voting rights. This requires consent from all but the sanctioned party, but even if Hungary blocks these moves, the effort itself will send a strong message to Poles. And a Hungarian veto would give the European Union additional cause for taking overdue steps to discipline Budapest.
     
    Why not really take the gloves off? Perhaps the EU should declare martial law in Poland, and send tanks into Budapest. That will send a strong message that the EU will not permit an illiberal slide back to the ways of the Soviet Bloc.
    , @Mr. Anon

    By CHARLES A. KUPCHAN
     
    What is it that guy always says? .................."Everytime".

    Well, it might not be everytime, but it is certainly very often and very statistically significant.
    , @International Jew
    Seems the comment feature has been turned off for that article.
    , @Lars Porsena
    There's something lacking in these threats. They may indeed make good on them but it will require something far more disruptive than what they are talking about.

    So they are finally becoming aware that Hungary will not allow them to punish Poland. Sadly for them they haven't seemed to make the leap to understanding their plans to punish Hungary for thwarting their attempt to punish Poland will be thwarted by.... Poland.

    And if some day they move past this impasse they will surely be surprised to discover that the Czech Republic and Slovakia are also Visegrad members.

    , @Lex
    Another beauty:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/07/hungary-poland-had-enough-of-liberal-democracy-eu-must-act

    It’s ugly and on the rise; and it’s hard to see how it can end well. The global rise of conservative nationalism with the aim of creating “national communities” – directed by an unchallengeable leader to defend special national values, controlling borders against the virus of immigrants and “foreign” influence – is the menace of our times.
     

    How great it would be if Britain were in the thick of this fight – but we too are in the grip of an anti-Enlightenment populist right. Theresa May has to court the Polish government to support the cake-and-eat-it trade deal she is fatuously pursuing. We cannot join with France and Germany standing for the best of European values because we need Poland’s support. Brexit is revealed to have the same dark roots that succour Orbán. Labour – internationalist, pro-European and profoundly anti-racist – should find the courage to speak out, and insist that in times like these to leave the EU is folly.
     
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  53. Complicity in enabling the African brain drain is a particularly cynical form of racism.

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  54. @Anonymous
    Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU's population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.

    Let’s play “Spot the False Premises!”

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  55. @Lurker
    Because none of them will have children of course. Jeez.

    I think the Davos line on their children is that we are so wonderful and our educational system is so excellent that the children of migrants will all become doctors, lawyers, bankers, etc. If any of them fail or are left behind, it is the fault of the racist, nativist, white nationalist, legacy population who just can’t hurry up and die already.

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    There’s a non crazy version of this. If you think that, say, Nigeria is poor mainly because of bad institutions and culture, then importing Nigerians into the EU or UK or US can work out okay, as long as you don’t import the bad institutions and culture. That might even work out, though there are hbd/IQ distribution reasons to think it won’t. And even so, you need to work out how to avoid bringing the broken culture and institutions along—limiting immigration from each country, limiting chain migration to avoid whole clans/extended families coming over at once, preferring young and westernized immigrants—all that might work. But I’d like to see it spelled out, both the policy and the assumptions on which it is based.
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  56. Today, Breitbart quoted Chappaquiddick Fats’ comments about the 1965 immigration bill not changing the demographics of the U.S. Maybe tomorrow, they’ll post Steve’s graph.

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  57. @Lurker
    'Just crossing' the Med is no joke either. But if a fleet of NATO ships and NGO hired vessels are waiting to collect you along the North African coast, well, suddenly it's quite doable.

    Indeed.

    Contemporary accounts from other divers in the Med are telling me that they are seeing a lot more large sharks moving into the area, possibly because of the invaders falling overboard.

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    More sharks now!
    , @The Alarmist

    "Contemporary accounts from other divers in the Med are telling me that they are seeing a lot more large sharks moving into the area, possibly because of the invaders falling overboard."
     
    Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) famously gave a speech on the House floor years ago, claiming that slave traders threw so many black folk overboard to the sharks during the journey to the Americas that to this very day the sharks descendants patrol the waters waiting for more.

    What is perhaps a bit more amusing is reading discussion groups of folks considering this assertion:

    https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/sharks-and-the-slave-trade.656945/

    http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=86408

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  58. @Anonymous
    Why would there be an exponential increase in Mediterranean crossings? Are the waters going to get any less dangerous? Population increase in West Africa where most migrants emerge may gradually increase as more West Africans want to try but at the same time an increase in average income in West Africa due to a growing population will also discourage further crossings because it takes a lot of personal savings to pay for the buses and trucks to get across the Sahel.

    I believe the number of migrants crossing the Mediterranean will remain stable over the decades at 200,000 per year. That's not a civilization challenging problem.

    The Mediterranean is a big lake. It is not particularly dangerous among the world’s waters. Hell, if you can get to the 12-mile mark, the European governments will ferry you the rest of the way across.

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    There are something like 6 warships operating as part of the rescue operation so the presence of the EU isn't sufficient to ensure that every migrant on a rickety boat gets rescued. Maybe it cuts down the number of deaths in half.

    171,000 arrivals and 3,100 deaths in the Med. in 2017 according to the UN.

    So even with the EU and NGOs it's still a very dangerous crossing. That will keep the numbers at only around 200,000 annually. Some will go back, some will stay and bring immediate family. Still we are talking about minuscule numbers as a percentage of the EU population of 500 million.
    , @Anonymous
    That's exactly the point.

    Getting immersed in the Med. is the whole point of the exercise - it's Africa's departure lounge.
    The good ol' EU does all the rest. And *that* won't change due to the EU courts - which *absolutely* NO EU MEMBER STATE CAN ALTER.

    It's simple to see that getting washed by the Mediterranean Sea is easy and simple enough for any African with the wherewithal to grease the right palm, and in no possible way can this be regarded as a 'bottleneck' - consider the length of the north African shore and the dodginess of the inhabitants. The only thing perhaps inhibiting exponential growth in this particular departure lounge is that enough Africans haven't heard of it yet.
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  59. Contrary to current big-lie propaganda, Malthus was right.

    Malthus has always been right.

    Malthus never predicted a global apocalypse. Malthus predicted nothing, but only described how the world works.

    When people all have more children than they can support, they produce not wealth but brutal crushing misery.

    The potential of populations with sustained high fertility rates to double every 20 years or so is kept in check – not via starvation, but by the effects of chronic malnutrition. This has happened. This is happening now in Pakistan and Bangladesh and India. And soon, much of Africa. And if we don’t seal the borders pretty darn soon, yes it can happen here.

    This is simple and obvious. The problem is that one person’s misery is another’s ‘affordable labor costs’ and that’s why there is so much disinformation on the topic.

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    "Contrary to current big-lie propaganda, Malthus was right."

    Malthus was wrong until he was right. At first gradually, then all of a sudden.

    , @oddsbodkins
    Yes exactly. Malthus doesn't even need exponential growth to be correct. The simple fact is:
    If misery is the only thing that can stop a population from growing, then the population will grow until it is miserable..
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  60. The media completely misunderstood Trump. He did not call African countries shit holes. Rather, he was saying, or trying to say shi! thole, which is a term of great honor in the Xhosa click language.

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    That Haiti is a shithole does not seems to be even arguable.
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  61. @Anonymous
    Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU's population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.

    At that pace it will take… to hit 1%

    So tell us how much adulteration we can add to the nice things in life until they become not so nice?

    Please also tell us what stops the growth. Time sure doesn’t stop.

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  62. @Anonymous
    Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU's population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.

    Where does one begin to mock you statement. You are either a complete idiot or running a PR campaign. I can only hope for you and your children that it’s the latter.

    I’ll start with you hilarious statement that “Hey, it’s just 200k compared to 500 million.” Are you really so dense as to not notice that these 200,000 Africans happen to be young men. So no, it’s not 200k/500 million or 0.04%, which would be small though given the history of Africans, one is one too many.

    Also, this 500 million number is silly. The Africans are not going throughout Europe, they are targeting the UK, France, Germany, Italy, the low countries and the Nordic countries – western Europe, basically – so we’re not talking about 500 million but something in the ball park of 300 million.

    Ok, get ready to put on your thinking cap cause we’re going to do some really difficult statistical work. I hope that you made it through the 5th grade. So, we have a population of 300 million. Let’s ball park the average age is 80, so ~3.75 million per year (300 million/80). Of course, only half of those are men, so 1.875 million per year.

    Let’s assume that the African migrants are between the ages of 20 and 35, so 15 years. The West European male population in that age group is 28.125 million. That’s the group that you need to use to determine the impact of the African immigration.

    So, let’s look at that. 200k/28.125 million is 0.7%. Assuming that these guys bring over their wives or have babies with ethnic Europeans (and thus preventing a white guy from having that baby), you are increasing the African or bi-racial population of Western Europe by nearly one percent a year.

    If only a quarter of the migrants manage to help a brother or cousin make to Europe, that number go up.

    Western Europe’s under-40 population is already likely ~10% non-white, certainly more in some countries such as France. As this rate of African immigration, Western Europe’s under-40 population (you know, the age of people who commit crimes and blow stuff up – and, of course, eventually become the total population) would be less than 50% white (and heavily African) in 40 years, probably less. Forty years is not a long time. Forty years ago was 1978.

    If you hate white people and want to see us gone from the Earth. Fine. Just say so. But don’t piss on my head and tell me that it’s raining.

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  63. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    The Mediterranean is a big lake. It is not particularly dangerous among the world's waters. Hell, if you can get to the 12-mile mark, the European governments will ferry you the rest of the way across.

    There are something like 6 warships operating as part of the rescue operation so the presence of the EU isn’t sufficient to ensure that every migrant on a rickety boat gets rescued. Maybe it cuts down the number of deaths in half.

    171,000 arrivals and 3,100 deaths in the Med. in 2017 according to the UN.

    So even with the EU and NGOs it’s still a very dangerous crossing. That will keep the numbers at only around 200,000 annually. Some will go back, some will stay and bring immediate family. Still we are talking about minuscule numbers as a percentage of the EU population of 500 million.

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    171,000 arrivals and 3,100 deaths in the Med. in 2017 according to the UN.

    So even with the EU and NGOs it’s still a very dangerous crossing. That will keep the numbers at only around 200,000 annually. Some will go back, some will stay and bring immediate family. Still we are talking about minuscule numbers as a percentage of the EU population of 500 million.
     
    Trying to be charitable here ...

    The death rate here is < 2%. That's only "very dangerous" if you're talking about something you do repeatedly not a single life altering event. (My Irish great-grandparents came over on "Coffin Ships" with death rates that were an order of magnitude higher. Why? Because if you do it and live life is way better.)

    For comparison people in the US have traditionally had about a 1% chance of dying in an auto accident during their lifetime. 1%. Yet ... everyone drives. Why? Simple quality of life.

    The difference for a typical African between life in Europe (in nations created and maintained by white people) and life in Africa (in nations run by their fellow Africans) is way, way, way greater than driving or not driving in the US.

    ~~~
    Fortunately there are other barriers in operation here. Foresight, planning-ahead (not African strong points); gathering the smuggler's fees; getting beaten, robbed, killed on the way; etc. If any of these black African nations was actually parked directly on the Mediterranean coast ... it would be a tsunami of Africans. Your unpassable Mediterranean bottleneck or turnstile--with European rescue operating--would be rendered a complete joke.

    As African numbers ramp up and there are both more Africans and shittier conditions in Africa, crossings will soar unless Europeans switch from aiding Africans to impeding them.

    This is so obvious, i don't know what to say to someone babbling on just asserting the ridiculous contrary.
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  64. Isn’t it time for the media to drag out one of those Africans that got into all eight Ivy League schools? Because, you know, they didn’t receive any special “consideration,” and ALL Africans are just like them.

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  65. @Anonymous
    Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU's population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.

    And crossing the Atlantic was even more dangerous. That’s why the Indians in America had nothing whatsoever to fear from the tiny handful of English Puritans who started arriving in the early 1600s.

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  66. There are graphs available on the UNDP site that underscore the idea that this really is just about Africa…. Africa will be half the world by 2100, according to many predictions. Asia will be largely as it is today and Europe will be but a quaint little extension of the Middle East, with no political identity of its own, whose position in world affairs is determined by the demographic interplay of its many rival ethnic tribes and their originating families in the much larger nations of the tropics.

    Also note that it’s not just illegals … The European Union has built refugee processing centers in central Africa itself in order to streamline the process of getting more Africans into Europe.

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  67. @Anonymous
    Why would there be an exponential increase in Mediterranean crossings? Are the waters going to get any less dangerous? Population increase in West Africa where most migrants emerge may gradually increase as more West Africans want to try but at the same time an increase in average income in West Africa due to a growing population will also discourage further crossings because it takes a lot of personal savings to pay for the buses and trucks to get across the Sahel.

    I believe the number of migrants crossing the Mediterranean will remain stable over the decades at 200,000 per year. That's not a civilization challenging problem.

    …believe *that*, believe anything.

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  68. @syonredux

    Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU’s population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.
     
    "Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!"

    Touche on the Pauli quote. We may be many things as a political movement, but we are always somewhere between middle and high brow!

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  69. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    The Mediterranean is a big lake. It is not particularly dangerous among the world's waters. Hell, if you can get to the 12-mile mark, the European governments will ferry you the rest of the way across.

    That’s exactly the point.

    Getting immersed in the Med. is the whole point of the exercise – it’s Africa’s departure lounge.
    The good ol’ EU does all the rest. And *that* won’t change due to the EU courts – which *absolutely* NO EU MEMBER STATE CAN ALTER.

    It’s simple to see that getting washed by the Mediterranean Sea is easy and simple enough for any African with the wherewithal to grease the right palm, and in no possible way can this be regarded as a ‘bottleneck’ – consider the length of the north African shore and the dodginess of the inhabitants. The only thing perhaps inhibiting exponential growth in this particular departure lounge is that enough Africans haven’t heard of it yet.

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  70. And Michael Wolff is gone from the headlines…

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    Excellent point. Trump has again used the mass media's obsessions against them.
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  71. @syonredux
    Hey, what's so bad about having lots of Blacks around. Things are going great in the UK.....

    Gang rape: Is it a race issue?
    A high proportion of such attacks appears to be carried out by young black men, according to Metropolitan Police statistics. Sorious Samura investigates this horrendous crime- and what it says about Britain today
     

    In 1999 I witnessed a gang rape in Sierra Leone. I was forced to watch a group of rebel soldiers taking it in turns to rape a young girl in front of an audience of jeering men. It was the height of the civil conflict and rape had become a devastating weapon of war. When I moved to Britain I believed I had escaped such horrific sexual violence. As my Dispatches investigation tomorrow night shows, I was mistaken. Gang rape is happening here – and what I have found most disturbing as an African is that a disproportionate number of these attacks are being carried out by black or mixed-race young men.
     

    In December, nine schoolboys, some as young as 13 at the time of the attack, were convicted of raping a 14-year-old girl. She was dragged between tower blocks in Hackney where she was threatened with a knife, hit and raped during an ordeal that lasted an hour and a half – some of which was filmed on mobile phones. In January, three men were convicted of gang raping a 16-year-old with learning disabilities for two hours before dousing her with caustic soda in an effort to get rid of the evidence.
     

    . One of the few police forces to have begun recording the figures of reported gang rape is the Metropolitan Police. In 2008 alone, they received reports of 85 gang rapes. Using the Met's definition of gang rape – those involving three or more perpetrators – we began to look at the number of convictions. We tracked down 29 cases, from January 2006 to March 2009, in which a total of 92 young people were convicted of involvement in gang rape.

    One fact stood out. Of those convicted, 66 were black or mixed race, 13 were white and the remainder were from other countries including Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.
     


    The groups of young men I met in London expressed some profoundly disturbing attitudes towards girls and sex. The boys explained how they make arrangements for "line-ups" in which one girl has oral sex with up to six or seven of them at one time. These arrangements might be made at school or on mobile phones.

    Sometimes these girls initially consent because they want to be popular. But these events can spiral into rape because the boys consider that any girl who is prepared to agree to a line-up can be considered fair game. One boy told me: "If she wants to go and meet a bag of boys then she's probably a jezzie [slut], and if she's going to a house it's over – she's going to get beaten [have sex]."
     


    The victims' descriptions of their attacks are horrific. One young victim likened her attack to being "pulled and pushed around like a rag doll", while another 14-year-old girl described her ordeal when she was gang raped by a total of nine boys who told her that she was not the only girl they had attacked. In that case, nine boys were subsequently convicted of raping her. The youngest perpetrator was just 12 years old.

     

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/gang-rape-is-it-a-race-issue-1711381.html

    Just wanted to say that you always have a very distinct way of posting, which I’ve come to appreciate greatly.

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  72. @Anonymous
    Why would there be an exponential increase in Mediterranean crossings? Are the waters going to get any less dangerous? Population increase in West Africa where most migrants emerge may gradually increase as more West Africans want to try but at the same time an increase in average income in West Africa due to a growing population will also discourage further crossings because it takes a lot of personal savings to pay for the buses and trucks to get across the Sahel.

    I believe the number of migrants crossing the Mediterranean will remain stable over the decades at 200,000 per year. That's not a civilization challenging problem.

    Think of it as osmotic pressure; if there is the need and will to migrate, more people means more pressure and more ways to move.

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  73. @Bubba
    And we all know that Zimbabwe is such a wonderful working model of diversity flooded with desperate white refugees to do the jobs Zimbabweans won't do!

    …with desperate white refugees to do the jobs Zimbabweans won’t do!

    …with desperate white refugees to do the jobs Zimbabweans can’t do!

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  74. Quoting Lincoln, as our problem is new we need to think anew. In other words we need to think outside the box. For example:

    Alternative 1: A cheap food or water additive that reduces but does not eliminate female fertility.

    Alternative 2: Massive private corporate investment staffed by high-skilled managers from outside the continent, the goal being to hasten the so-called demographic transition.

    Alternative 3: A positive eugenic genetic engineering program to increase African cognitive abilities. Short of a cheap Crispr technology, one way would be a new Peace Corp, whose mission would be to inseminate as many young nubile African maidens as are willing.

    These alternatives are not mutually exclusive. All would increase African welfare.

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    Alternative 3: A positive eugenic genetic engineering program to increase African cognitive abilities. Short of a cheap Crispr technology, one way would be a new Peace Corp, whose mission would be to inseminate as many young nubile African maidens as are willing.
     
    Impulsive, strong, irrational is bad enough but if they are also intelligent; what a disaster! If intelligence is genetic then probably also are these other traits. Intelligence should not be increased unless the other traits are also improved.
    , @Barnard

    Alternative 1: A cheap food or water additive that reduces but does not eliminate female fertility.
     
    I am admittedly not an expert in human biology, but I seriously doubt this is possible. You can discourage reproduction through birth control, but I doubt it can be done in a controlled way where women would be less likely, but still able to bear children.

    Alternative 2: Massive private corporate investment staffed by high-skilled managers from outside the continent, the goal being to hasten the so-called demographic transition.
     
    Several groups have been working on this as part of African aid packages for decades. It doesn't work well. David Livingstone realized less than a year into his work as a missionary in Africa that the natives were so different from the Victorian English that bridging the cultural gap was nearly impossible. Not much has changed since then, we can't just will them to change long ingrained behaviors.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Actually, while not technically mutually exclusive, 1 and 3 are kind of at cross-purposes. Also, re 3, you realize the Peace Corps is all liberals, right? And there is a heritable component to political leanings, right? So, your Piece-of-Ass Corps would result in an entire continent of mulatto limousine liberals. Oh, the horror!
    , @Jack D
    The problem is that you will be blocked by Leftists at every turn. Your #1 is fascist, your #2 is imperialist, your #3 is racist, etc. Anything and everything that you could think of that might actually be effective would be unacceptable. And African leaders are Big Men who want all the women and goodies for themselves. They are not interested in having fewer children or sharing their wives and resources with outsiders. You ideas are all non-starters.

    The Chinese are attempting something like #2 but we will see how far they will get. Africa has a way of killing hopes and dreams of outsiders and swallowing their works into the jungle without a trace. And do you think that millions of Africans will sit all day at little tables and do soldering the way Chinese are willing to do?
    , @anon

    Alternative 3: A positive eugenic genetic engineering program to increase African cognitive abilities. Short of a cheap Crispr technology, one way would be a new Peace Corp, whose mission would be to inseminate as many young nubile African maidens as are willing.
     
    More likely it'll be the other way around. African men will inseminate as many white women as are willing -- and there are many, and bring down the IQ of Europeans. Since Africans have an IQ of 67 and Europeans 100, future Europeans will have an IQ of around 83, about the same as American blacks. Europe will turn into a continent that resembles Baltimore, Chicago South Side, New Orleans, St. Louis and other black heavy areas in the US.
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  75. @Jack D
    The media completely misunderstood Trump. He did not call African countries shit holes. Rather, he was saying, or trying to say shi! thole, which is a term of great honor in the Xhosa click language.

    That Haiti is a shithole does not seems to be even arguable.

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    Got that right. Unarguably a shithole before and after the last earthquake and then the Clintons made it worse.
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  76. @Anonymous
    Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU's population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.

    What will those Africans be doing when they get to Europe? Eating well, resting plenty, pretending to sell Eiffel Tower trinkets and screwing like rabbits.

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  77. @TG
    Contrary to current big-lie propaganda, Malthus was right.

    Malthus has always been right.

    Malthus never predicted a global apocalypse. Malthus predicted nothing, but only described how the world works.

    When people all have more children than they can support, they produce not wealth but brutal crushing misery.

    The potential of populations with sustained high fertility rates to double every 20 years or so is kept in check - not via starvation, but by the effects of chronic malnutrition. This has happened. This is happening now in Pakistan and Bangladesh and India. And soon, much of Africa. And if we don't seal the borders pretty darn soon, yes it can happen here.

    This is simple and obvious. The problem is that one person's misery is another's 'affordable labor costs' and that's why there is so much disinformation on the topic.

    “Contrary to current big-lie propaganda, Malthus was right.”

    Malthus was wrong until he was right. At first gradually, then all of a sudden.

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  78. @Anonymous
    Why would there be an exponential increase in Mediterranean crossings? Are the waters going to get any less dangerous? Population increase in West Africa where most migrants emerge may gradually increase as more West Africans want to try but at the same time an increase in average income in West Africa due to a growing population will also discourage further crossings because it takes a lot of personal savings to pay for the buses and trucks to get across the Sahel.

    I believe the number of migrants crossing the Mediterranean will remain stable over the decades at 200,000 per year. That's not a civilization challenging problem.

    Population increase in West Africa where most migrants emerge may gradually increase as more West Africans want to try

    Try what? Try sex? What are you talking about?

    but at the same time an increase in average income in West Africa due to a growing population will also discourage further crossings because it takes a lot of personal savings to pay for

    Ah! I see! People will have more money, so they will be discouraged from spending money! Makes sense. Those blacks are so good at saving and investing!

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  79. @Luke Lea
    Quoting Lincoln, as our problem is new we need to think anew. In other words we need to think outside the box. For example:

    Alternative 1: A cheap food or water additive that reduces but does not eliminate female fertility.

    Alternative 2: Massive private corporate investment staffed by high-skilled managers from outside the continent, the goal being to hasten the so-called demographic transition.

    Alternative 3: A positive eugenic genetic engineering program to increase African cognitive abilities. Short of a cheap Crispr technology, one way would be a new Peace Corp, whose mission would be to inseminate as many young nubile African maidens as are willing.

    These alternatives are not mutually exclusive. All would increase African welfare.

    Alternative 3: A positive eugenic genetic engineering program to increase African cognitive abilities. Short of a cheap Crispr technology, one way would be a new Peace Corp, whose mission would be to inseminate as many young nubile African maidens as are willing.

    Impulsive, strong, irrational is bad enough but if they are also intelligent; what a disaster! If intelligence is genetic then probably also are these other traits. Intelligence should not be increased unless the other traits are also improved.

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  80. @Luke Lea
    Quoting Lincoln, as our problem is new we need to think anew. In other words we need to think outside the box. For example:

    Alternative 1: A cheap food or water additive that reduces but does not eliminate female fertility.

    Alternative 2: Massive private corporate investment staffed by high-skilled managers from outside the continent, the goal being to hasten the so-called demographic transition.

    Alternative 3: A positive eugenic genetic engineering program to increase African cognitive abilities. Short of a cheap Crispr technology, one way would be a new Peace Corp, whose mission would be to inseminate as many young nubile African maidens as are willing.

    These alternatives are not mutually exclusive. All would increase African welfare.

    Alternative 1: A cheap food or water additive that reduces but does not eliminate female fertility.

    I am admittedly not an expert in human biology, but I seriously doubt this is possible. You can discourage reproduction through birth control, but I doubt it can be done in a controlled way where women would be less likely, but still able to bear children.

    Alternative 2: Massive private corporate investment staffed by high-skilled managers from outside the continent, the goal being to hasten the so-called demographic transition.

    Several groups have been working on this as part of African aid packages for decades. It doesn’t work well. David Livingstone realized less than a year into his work as a missionary in Africa that the natives were so different from the Victorian English that bridging the cultural gap was nearly impossible. Not much has changed since then, we can’t just will them to change long ingrained behaviors.

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  81. “In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act” – George Orwell. DJT only said what Democrats think and exploit to import Democrat voters

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  82. @Luke Lea
    Quoting Lincoln, as our problem is new we need to think anew. In other words we need to think outside the box. For example:

    Alternative 1: A cheap food or water additive that reduces but does not eliminate female fertility.

    Alternative 2: Massive private corporate investment staffed by high-skilled managers from outside the continent, the goal being to hasten the so-called demographic transition.

    Alternative 3: A positive eugenic genetic engineering program to increase African cognitive abilities. Short of a cheap Crispr technology, one way would be a new Peace Corp, whose mission would be to inseminate as many young nubile African maidens as are willing.

    These alternatives are not mutually exclusive. All would increase African welfare.

    Actually, while not technically mutually exclusive, 1 and 3 are kind of at cross-purposes. Also, re 3, you realize the Peace Corps is all liberals, right? And there is a heritable component to political leanings, right? So, your Piece-of-Ass Corps would result in an entire continent of mulatto limousine liberals. Oh, the horror!

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  83. Depressing. To say the least.

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  84. @Luke Lea
    Quoting Lincoln, as our problem is new we need to think anew. In other words we need to think outside the box. For example:

    Alternative 1: A cheap food or water additive that reduces but does not eliminate female fertility.

    Alternative 2: Massive private corporate investment staffed by high-skilled managers from outside the continent, the goal being to hasten the so-called demographic transition.

    Alternative 3: A positive eugenic genetic engineering program to increase African cognitive abilities. Short of a cheap Crispr technology, one way would be a new Peace Corp, whose mission would be to inseminate as many young nubile African maidens as are willing.

    These alternatives are not mutually exclusive. All would increase African welfare.

    The problem is that you will be blocked by Leftists at every turn. Your #1 is fascist, your #2 is imperialist, your #3 is racist, etc. Anything and everything that you could think of that might actually be effective would be unacceptable. And African leaders are Big Men who want all the women and goodies for themselves. They are not interested in having fewer children or sharing their wives and resources with outsiders. You ideas are all non-starters.

    The Chinese are attempting something like #2 but we will see how far they will get. Africa has a way of killing hopes and dreams of outsiders and swallowing their works into the jungle without a trace. And do you think that millions of Africans will sit all day at little tables and do soldering the way Chinese are willing to do?

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    You know I really am almost to the point where I'm willing to trade foreigners of whatever variety who show a willingness or aptitude for hard work, entrepreneurship etc for these welfare unemployable "racism screamers"..... especially the smug white ones.

    We'll take in say Asian, Latino, Arab etc small business types, college professors etc and deport these loudmouth derelicts to Zambia or their shithole of choice.

    They can go dig Wells for the village or whatever and go get their Dolly Dogooder urges satiated. Only they lose citizenship and they're at the mercy of the Africans etc

    I've seen the term "crypto fascist" thrown about a lot on social media recently. I used to only see neocon vermin throw the term around. They ripped it from Gore Vidal.

    If they're going to call us fascists, racists, so forth then they're going to scream no matter what. They're like somebody w tourettes....they're just going to do what they are going to do.....

    At the end of the day it becomes a job for a specialist like me....I'm a working class bust up artist and union dude who works as a fuggin cook in the restaurant industry. I'm 6'1 and 250 lbs and I look like a linebacker.

    When I'm not cooking food I'm scrubbing shit, and no, I am not joking while cleaning the public toilet.

    It's like cleaning shit off the wall and toilet after some idiot loses their self control or a kid uses the bathroom and makes a mess. It's a dirty ass job nobody wants to do but damnit it must be done and dine correctly.

    So a janitorial blue collar type like me comes in w proper equipment and cleans up the mess.

    In this case it's these SJW identity politics activists. They're going to have to be dealt with eventually. And the longer you let it rot and fester the worse it gets & the harder to sanitize and clean up.

    The sooner these SJW idiots are shut up and/or deported -- hell PAY THE AFRICAN REGIMES TO TAKE THEM.

    MAKE THEM THINK ITS A PEACE CORP TYPE GIG.

    But at some point it's going to have to be dealt with. Just like how Obama had to clean up the Bush downturn and Trump has to clean up 35 years of bipartisan Reagan deregulation and later neolib slash neocon free trade and the chaos and mess it's put upon our populace and economy.

    Trump is hated because for all his faults he's actually daring to fix problems that other politicians from both parties chose to kick the can on.

    Being a janitor is a hard, thankless job. But by damn someone has to do it....

    And these SJW troublemakers are going to have to be dealt with at some part....the sooner the better.
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  85. @Lurker
    'Just crossing' the Med is no joke either. But if a fleet of NATO ships and NGO hired vessels are waiting to collect you along the North African coast, well, suddenly it's quite doable.

    People have been crossing the Mediterranean safely since ancient times. Of course if there are hundreds of people crammed into a leaky rubber raft or overloaded and worm eaten fishing boat then it is not so safe.

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  86. @blackpilled
    Diversity is strength. I'm sure Mexico will be clamoring to scoop up the African overflow.

    Actually there is no real possibility that the African trend line would take that rapidly rising shape. The population carrying capacity of a nation or a region sets a limit to how many people it will hold. If the African population were to rise as quickly as seen in Steve’s graph it would soon fall at same pace. That means there would be a population crash. A sort of lemming effect.

    If the population of any place were to rise that fast it would look more like one cycle of a sine wave – it goes up then it goes down.

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    Africa as a land mass does already seem to be at about its Malthusian limit, but this does not stop Africans from multiplying in number: hence the Boat People.

    Where there are Africans, there is Africa.

    , @Mr. Anon

    If the population of any place were to rise that fast it would look more like one cycle of a sine wave – it goes up then it goes down.
     
    Take a minute to contemplate what all is involved in the process of "it goes down".

    I'll give you a hint: it involves gasoline, tires, and machetes.
    , @Yak-15
    If you isolated Africa then yes. But those who hold the levers if power are Neo-moralists and will not allow this to occur. They are coming here and there is little we can do about it. Arm yourself.
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  87. @Anonymous
    Why would there be an exponential increase in Mediterranean crossings? Are the waters going to get any less dangerous? Population increase in West Africa where most migrants emerge may gradually increase as more West Africans want to try but at the same time an increase in average income in West Africa due to a growing population will also discourage further crossings because it takes a lot of personal savings to pay for the buses and trucks to get across the Sahel.

    I believe the number of migrants crossing the Mediterranean will remain stable over the decades at 200,000 per year. That's not a civilization challenging problem.

    Population increase in West Africa where most migrants emerge may gradually increase

    Are you blind, man? Do you see the graph above? Does that look gradual to you, because it looks exponential to me.

    but at the same time an increase in average income in West Africa due to a growing population will also discourage further crossings because it takes a lot of personal savings to pay for the buses and trucks to get across the Sahel.

    This is exactly backward. If average incomes are increasing, then MORE people will have the money to pay smugglers. Not to mention the exponential effects of chain migration – your brother/ husband/ father/ cousin makes it to Europe and sends you the money to pay the smugglers.

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    Graph shows population growth over the next 80 years. That's 4 generations. So it's gradual.

    Made a mistake. Meant to say decrease in African per capita incomes over the next 80 years due to population increase deprives Africans of the personal savings that need to be accumulated to make the long trip.
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  88. when France and Germany become Islamic states they will no longer tolerate Sub-saharan African migration into Europe. This transition will occur quite rapidly over the next decade…the average Christian in Europe is 49 Years-old…while the average muslim is 29 years-old. Female muslim fertility is triple the level of the aboriginal Europeans. It will take only 30 years for the Muslim population to become the majority in Europe.

    Islamic nations do not allow any refugees into their nation states, especially muslim refugees.

    with a “native” rate of fertility of 1.4, and a Muslim rate of 3.8 children per woman, and taking the initial Muslim population to be 9% of the total, it will take only 30 to 40 years for the Muslim population to become the majority. with a “native” rate of 1.4 for a population of 1,000, after only two generations you merely see 420 “native” children born. Adding in the constant migration of muslims into Europe just speeds up the process.

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  89. @TG
    Contrary to current big-lie propaganda, Malthus was right.

    Malthus has always been right.

    Malthus never predicted a global apocalypse. Malthus predicted nothing, but only described how the world works.

    When people all have more children than they can support, they produce not wealth but brutal crushing misery.

    The potential of populations with sustained high fertility rates to double every 20 years or so is kept in check - not via starvation, but by the effects of chronic malnutrition. This has happened. This is happening now in Pakistan and Bangladesh and India. And soon, much of Africa. And if we don't seal the borders pretty darn soon, yes it can happen here.

    This is simple and obvious. The problem is that one person's misery is another's 'affordable labor costs' and that's why there is so much disinformation on the topic.

    Yes exactly. Malthus doesn’t even need exponential growth to be correct. The simple fact is:
    If misery is the only thing that can stop a population from growing, then the population will grow until it is miserable..

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  90. Oy vey! — what a conundrum!

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  91. @eah
    Oy vey! -- what a conundrum!

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTWtnjbV4AIMFyk.jpg

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    Waiting for Norway to distance itself from Trump -- it's already pretty far away though -- they may see that as superfluous.
    , @The Alarmist
    Actually, the GF holding his hand and expressing disbelief in his leering would be our western European allies. The Shithole Countries would be a beggar peeing on his shoes while asking for a handout.
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  92. @eah
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTWyp0SVwAAsT20.jpg

    Waiting for Norway to distance itself from Trump — it’s already pretty far away though — they may see that as superfluous.

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  93. @Anonymous
    Why would there be an exponential increase in Mediterranean crossings? Are the waters going to get any less dangerous? Population increase in West Africa where most migrants emerge may gradually increase as more West Africans want to try but at the same time an increase in average income in West Africa due to a growing population will also discourage further crossings because it takes a lot of personal savings to pay for the buses and trucks to get across the Sahel.

    I believe the number of migrants crossing the Mediterranean will remain stable over the decades at 200,000 per year. That's not a civilization challenging problem.

    I believe the number of migrants crossing the Mediterranean will remain stable over the decades at 200,000 per year. That’s not a civilization challenging problem.

    Mass immigration is a civilization challenging problem. The mass immigration of Europeans into the Americas was a civilization challenge to the Indians. The mass immigration of non-Europeans into the USA since 1965 is a civilization challenge. And the mass immigration of 200K annually from Africa into Europe will be a civilization challenge to European nations as well.

    Mass immigration leads to civilization challenges. Mass immigration by nature radically alters the demographics of a nation or place, and therefore leads to a change in the civilization. It’s akin to an invasion. You may consider the change for the better or the worst. But it does lead to change which by nature is a challenge.

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  94. It’s an idea.

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  95. @Jack D

    Population increase in West Africa where most migrants emerge may gradually increase
     
    Are you blind, man? Do you see the graph above? Does that look gradual to you, because it looks exponential to me.

    but at the same time an increase in average income in West Africa due to a growing population will also discourage further crossings because it takes a lot of personal savings to pay for the buses and trucks to get across the Sahel.
     
    This is exactly backward. If average incomes are increasing, then MORE people will have the money to pay smugglers. Not to mention the exponential effects of chain migration - your brother/ husband/ father/ cousin makes it to Europe and sends you the money to pay the smugglers.

    Graph shows population growth over the next 80 years. That’s 4 generations. So it’s gradual.

    Made a mistake. Meant to say decrease in African per capita incomes over the next 80 years due to population increase deprives Africans of the personal savings that need to be accumulated to make the long trip.

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    It's gradual, yes, in the sense that it won't happen entirely within a single millisecond.

    But compared to population growth elsewhere, and compared to the historical timeline, it's like a nuclear frickin' bomb. That's why it's the world's most important graph.
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  96. @Anonymous
    Why would there be an exponential increase in Mediterranean crossings? Are the waters going to get any less dangerous? Population increase in West Africa where most migrants emerge may gradually increase as more West Africans want to try but at the same time an increase in average income in West Africa due to a growing population will also discourage further crossings because it takes a lot of personal savings to pay for the buses and trucks to get across the Sahel.

    I believe the number of migrants crossing the Mediterranean will remain stable over the decades at 200,000 per year. That's not a civilization challenging problem.

    The issue is simply that anything like open borders plus an exponentially growing very poor and desperate population of potential immigrants seems like it leads to a massive number of poor desperate immigrants coming into your country. You should have some answer for why that won’t happen if you propose an immigration policy. “Because we won’t give them visas or let them stay” is fine, but how do you decide when to start restricting entry?

    The Mediterranean isn’t some uncrossable barrier. The refugees from Africa are overwhelmingly very poor, and the coyotes bringing them to Europe don’t care how many of their customers drown—that’s why it’s dangerous now. But that could easily change, especially with an explicit policy to take a lot of immigrants from poor overpopulated bits of Africa.

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  97. Berkeleyside is great comedy reading. The lefts implied threat is always “do what we want or we will break stuff”. The beauty of the Trump era is that things said behind closed doors are now being blurted out in public:
    ““He’s a bright young bilingual man who knows his rights and has plenty of resources at his disposal,” she wrote. “He knows human rights violations when he sees them. He’s competent and intelligent. Keeping him detained at this facility just means he will start a revolution in there.””

    http://www.berkeleyside.com/2018/01/05/calls-release-uc-berkeley-student-ice-custody-intensify/

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  98. @Barnard
    I think the Davos line on their children is that we are so wonderful and our educational system is so excellent that the children of migrants will all become doctors, lawyers, bankers, etc. If any of them fail or are left behind, it is the fault of the racist, nativist, white nationalist, legacy population who just can't hurry up and die already.

    There’s a non crazy version of this. If you think that, say, Nigeria is poor mainly because of bad institutions and culture, then importing Nigerians into the EU or UK or US can work out okay, as long as you don’t import the bad institutions and culture. That might even work out, though there are hbd/IQ distribution reasons to think it won’t. And even so, you need to work out how to avoid bringing the broken culture and institutions along—limiting immigration from each country, limiting chain migration to avoid whole clans/extended families coming over at once, preferring young and westernized immigrants—all that might work. But I’d like to see it spelled out, both the policy and the assumptions on which it is based.

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    [Y]ou need to work out how to avoid bringing the broken culture and institutions along—limiting immigration from each country, limiting chain migration to avoid whole clans/extended families coming over at once, preferring young and westernized immigrants—all that might work. But I’d like to see it spelled out, both the policy and the assumptions on which it is based.
     
    This is kind of viewpoint, which is probably the view of the majority of the public in the West - and put concisely in Trump's statement 'they're not sending their best'.

    It would require very strict border-controls to prevent infiltration (easier for islands like Australia to do this). Enforcement of the concept that people can only seek asylum in the first-safe country they reach (so countries which are geographically fortunate in that they can only be reached by crossing other safe countries - would never be legally obligated to grant asylum to any immigrants). And then imposing a strict merit based immigration system, that focuses on things like educational achievement, and has a quota limiting the number that can accepted each year (which by itself would ensure the requirements remain higher).

    , @Barnard
    That sounds like an extremely difficult, time consuming policy to implement with very little payoff if done correctly. Letting in high quality immigrants without getting the broken culture is impossible with our current political leadership and bleeding heart media.
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  99. I hate this type of post as it just hypes fear and problems rather than constructive solutions. Without a constructive solution to move forward with, what’s the point of anything?

    My preferred solution:
    1. Tap brakes on immigration in the present. I don’t think immigration limits can hold forever, but buying time for other plans time to form is very important.

    2. Form better compromise: At some moral level I agree with the pro freedom of migration side in terms of markets. If people choose to interact with each other, the ability of others to inhibit that should be restricted. However, freedom of migration is completely morally incompatible with the idea of majority rule democracy. Foreigners and the children of foreigners don’t have any reasonable claim to full voting membership voting in any culture of their choosing. The idea that a new population can choose to physically enter a different nation and culture and automatically claim full voting rights and potentially be the new owners of that culture and civilization without any benefit or choice at all of the pre-existing population, is absurd. What’s interesting, is the libertarians generally agree with me. They don’t support our current model of majority rule democracy. And in some ways, mass immigration is supposed to undermine that.

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    Massimo Heitor,

    I too wish that some "reasonable" or "moderate" solution would slow down massive African immigration/invasion of Europe enough for "other plans to form." But in an emergency, an oncoming 16-wheeler truck in your path, there is no time to evolve an amiable compromise. You take extreme measures or you won't survive.

    The idea that a new population can choose to physically enter a different nation and culture and automatically claim full voting rights and potentially be the new owners of that culture and civilization without any benefit or choice at all of the pre-existing population, is absurd.

    Absurd, yes, but once the new population overwhelmingly replaces the old, are they going to settle for being part of the scenery while patiently waiting several generations to absorb the host culture? Why should they even bother to adopt the alien values of indigenous Europeans? One claim common to conquerors in all times and places is "it's our country now."
    , @AnotherDad

    hate this type of post as it just hypes fear and problems rather than constructive solutions. Without a constructive solution to move forward with, what’s the point of anything?
     
    Huh? The "constructive solution" is straightforward, self-evident and traditional. You don't let foreigners into your nation. Our side--or at least my side--has always had solutions, because the solutions are the ones that everyone has traditionally understood to be "normal". What Steve is doing here is pointing out--yet another--gaping hole in this truly radical globalist vision that's become the conventional wisdom of our elites.

    At some moral level I agree with the pro freedom of migration side in terms of markets. If people choose to interact with each other, the ability of others to inhibit that should be restricted. However, freedom of migration is completely morally incompatible with the idea of majority rule democracy.
     
    You're dancing around, but not focusing strongly enough upon the key point--"choose". There is no moral right to go where you are not wanted. There is an inherent moral right of any group of people to say "stay out"--we do not wish for you to be in our homes, our community, our nation.

    There is no honest "libertarian" case for open borders. Open borders is socialism. It's a massive form of involuntary wealth transfer. It's the demand that some people have a right to plop themselves down in a community or nation, and take advantage of the common goods--prosperity, rule-of-law, trust, good schools, low crime, parks, a clean environment, open space, low density, whatever--that other people have built. The iSteve worthy "market" analogy would be you and your buddies building a country club with a nice golf course, then non-members (or even members) demanding that we give memberships away.

    The open borders goon squads are demanding that *my* right to enjoy the good things that my ancestors have built, that i have built in my community and nation must be given to other people. It is a demand for theft.
    , @Anonymous
    As a start, the EU must go.

    I am emphatic on that point.

    It's either the EU or a 'white' Europe.

    One or the other.

    Both cannot coexist.

    The British people have realised this.

    Perhaps, just perhaps, other Europeans will realise it too.
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  100. @eah
    “In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”

    Theodore Dalrymple

    Yes! I thought the same when I saw Enoch’s post -Dalrymple!
    Looks like Moldbug is getting quoted about the systemic lies as well

    "we live under a system of government which is bound together by the same glue that held up Communism: lies"— Moldbug #NRx— Hueless Joe Jackson (@HuelessJoe) January 12, 2018

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  101. @rogue-one
    >Also an Indian shopkeeper was beaten to death by declining – as legally obliged – to sell an underaged black a packet of cigarette rolling papers.

    This is why the coalition of fringes is fragile. As long as whites remain the "new jews" whom it is okay to hate and organize against, the coalition will remain. But once the whites are marginalized, the coalition will split along ethnic lines turning the west into Africa or India composed of several ethic groups who hate and distrust each other.

    Many of the Indians (both muslim and hindu, parsi etc. prePartition origins) in Britain came from Idi Amin Dada’s wonderful liberated Uganda, and are more than ‘woke’ about at least one one of those other ethnic groups. Mr Patel was a Gujarati, been here for 12 years.
    As I say, very woke. It’s endemic.

    In 2011, 5-year-old Thusha Kamaleswaran was shot in the chest, at her relatives’s shop in Stockwell. Teenagers had attacked the shop with gunfire in attempt to kill their rivals.

    Ah, teenagers! (/Ivan Ooze). Those cheeky little scamps, what with their acid and all!

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  102. We are apparently assuming the UN World Population Forecast has been written by competent demographers.

    It would be interesting to see some articles from the demographers discussing their model, including those who wrote the claims – beyond this paper, which is not exactly well argued, just extrapolating from present trajectories without discussion:

    http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/pdf/technical/TP2013-3.pdf

    This article makes a little more conservative claims.

    https://www.stat.berkeley.edu/~aldous/157/Papers/gerland.pdf

    ———————-

    There are obvious policies which should be followed now by the developed countries of world. Airdropping vast supplies of birth-control over Africa and similar ideas.

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    This article makes a little more conservative claims.

    https://www.stat.berkeley.edu/~aldous/157/Papers/gerland.pdf
     

    The more optimistic or conservative claims of the text quoted below, with a proviso:

    "Among the most robust empirical findings in
    the literature on fertility transitions are that higher
    rates of contraceptive use and female education
    are associated with faster fertility decline (25).
    These suggest that the projected rapid population
    growth could be moderated by greater investments
    in family planning programs to satisfy the unmet
    need for contraception (26, 27), as well as investments
    in girls’ education. It should be noted, however,
    that the UN projections are based on an
    implicit assumption of a continuation of existing
    policies and reform efforts, but an intensification of
    current investments would be required for faster
    changes to occur.
    It should also be noted that the
    projections do not take into account potential negative
    feedback from the environmental consequences
    of rapid population growth. The addition
    of several billion people in Africa could lead to
    severe resource shortages that, in turn, could affect
    population size through unexpected mortality, migration,
    or fertility effects."
     
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  103. @Almost Missouri
    Do you think there is a turnstile in North Africa that only allows 200,000 people per year through?

    Yep. It’s called Organized Crime (Italian division). If there wasn’t a market for them, they’d stay on the beach in N Africa forever, NGOs be damned. Don’t want to flood whatever demand exists and devalue one’s merchandise.
    Offers, refusing, fishes, you know the drill.

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  104. @Anonymous
    Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU's population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.

    “it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1%”

    You are assuming the native population does not decline, and that the rate of non european immigration does not increase.

    The number of immigrants in Europe should be compared by age group not totals. The numbers look more threatening when you look at the under 30 population. The older immigrants don’t come until the younger are settled.

    Does it matter? How does German industry support all of Europe, all the immigrants, and compete with the BRIC nations. Some of German industrial competitiveness was due to low social welfare costs and low real estate costs.

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  105. @Dmitry
    We are apparently assuming the UN World Population Forecast has been written by competent demographers.

    It would be interesting to see some articles from the demographers discussing their model, including those who wrote the claims - beyond this paper, which is not exactly well argued, just extrapolating from present trajectories without discussion:
    http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/pdf/technical/TP2013-3.pdf

    This article makes a little more conservative claims.
    https://www.stat.berkeley.edu/~aldous/157/Papers/gerland.pdf


    ----------------------

    There are obvious policies which should be followed now by the developed countries of world. Airdropping vast supplies of birth-control over Africa and similar ideas.

    This article makes a little more conservative claims.

    https://www.stat.berkeley.edu/~aldous/157/Papers/gerland.pdf

    The more optimistic or conservative claims of the text quoted below, with a proviso:

    “Among the most robust empirical findings in
    the literature on fertility transitions are that higher
    rates of contraceptive use and female education
    are associated with faster fertility decline (25).
    These suggest that the projected rapid population
    growth could be moderated by greater investments
    in family planning programs to satisfy the unmet
    need for contraception (26, 27), as well as investments
    in girls’ education. It should be noted, however,
    that the UN projections are based on an
    implicit assumption of a continuation of existing
    policies and reform efforts, but an intensification of
    current investments would be required for faster
    changes to occur.
    It should also be noted that the
    projections do not take into account potential negative
    feedback from the environmental consequences
    of rapid population growth. The addition
    of several billion people in Africa could lead to
    severe resource shortages that, in turn, could affect
    population size through unexpected mortality, migration,
    or fertility effects.”

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  106. Given that 2/3 of black foeti are aborted in the U.S., Africans in America would have the same astronomical rates of growth as Africans in Africa absent abortion.

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    I'm not sure that abortion has a long-term impact on the poorer population. A messed up woman gets an abortion and then realizes, "I just killed my baby!" so the next time she conceives she keeps it. then she realizes, "kids are expensive and difficult!" But she's wiser and older now, and the state is giving her money and advice. So she uses birth control and doesn't have more children. When I spoke to a couple of women at a Crisis Pregnancy Center in Oakland years ago, this is exactly what they told me. Women will deliberately have a baby to compensate for their abortion and then stop because it's tough being a single mom.

    Marriage, of course, hardly ever figures into the plans of poor women. Unfortunately.
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  107. @NOTA
    There’s a non crazy version of this. If you think that, say, Nigeria is poor mainly because of bad institutions and culture, then importing Nigerians into the EU or UK or US can work out okay, as long as you don’t import the bad institutions and culture. That might even work out, though there are hbd/IQ distribution reasons to think it won’t. And even so, you need to work out how to avoid bringing the broken culture and institutions along—limiting immigration from each country, limiting chain migration to avoid whole clans/extended families coming over at once, preferring young and westernized immigrants—all that might work. But I’d like to see it spelled out, both the policy and the assumptions on which it is based.

    [Y]ou need to work out how to avoid bringing the broken culture and institutions along—limiting immigration from each country, limiting chain migration to avoid whole clans/extended families coming over at once, preferring young and westernized immigrants—all that might work. But I’d like to see it spelled out, both the policy and the assumptions on which it is based.

    This is kind of viewpoint, which is probably the view of the majority of the public in the West – and put concisely in Trump’s statement ‘they’re not sending their best’.

    It would require very strict border-controls to prevent infiltration (easier for islands like Australia to do this). Enforcement of the concept that people can only seek asylum in the first-safe country they reach (so countries which are geographically fortunate in that they can only be reached by crossing other safe countries – would never be legally obligated to grant asylum to any immigrants). And then imposing a strict merit based immigration system, that focuses on things like educational achievement, and has a quota limiting the number that can accepted each year (which by itself would ensure the requirements remain higher).

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  108. @Anonymous
    Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU's population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.

    Give up your job, house, car, etc first and then ask the rest of us to pay for this shit.

    Even at 200k per year plus their kids that is a sizable welfare burden to undertake….

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    Only a total of 200,000 African slaves were brought to The United States from 1650-1850 and yet we had 5 million Blacks by 1875 and 9 million by 1900 and 21 million by 1970 and 41 million today....
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  109. @Pat Boyle
    Actually there is no real possibility that the African trend line would take that rapidly rising shape. The population carrying capacity of a nation or a region sets a limit to how many people it will hold. If the African population were to rise as quickly as seen in Steve's graph it would soon fall at same pace. That means there would be a population crash. A sort of lemming effect.

    If the population of any place were to rise that fast it would look more like one cycle of a sine wave - it goes up then it goes down.

    Africa as a land mass does already seem to be at about its Malthusian limit, but this does not stop Africans from multiplying in number: hence the Boat People.

    Where there are Africans, there is Africa.

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  110. @Jack D
    The problem is that you will be blocked by Leftists at every turn. Your #1 is fascist, your #2 is imperialist, your #3 is racist, etc. Anything and everything that you could think of that might actually be effective would be unacceptable. And African leaders are Big Men who want all the women and goodies for themselves. They are not interested in having fewer children or sharing their wives and resources with outsiders. You ideas are all non-starters.

    The Chinese are attempting something like #2 but we will see how far they will get. Africa has a way of killing hopes and dreams of outsiders and swallowing their works into the jungle without a trace. And do you think that millions of Africans will sit all day at little tables and do soldering the way Chinese are willing to do?

    You know I really am almost to the point where I’m willing to trade foreigners of whatever variety who show a willingness or aptitude for hard work, entrepreneurship etc for these welfare unemployable “racism screamers”….. especially the smug white ones.

    We’ll take in say Asian, Latino, Arab etc small business types, college professors etc and deport these loudmouth derelicts to Zambia or their shithole of choice.

    They can go dig Wells for the village or whatever and go get their Dolly Dogooder urges satiated. Only they lose citizenship and they’re at the mercy of the Africans etc

    I’ve seen the term “crypto fascist” thrown about a lot on social media recently. I used to only see neocon vermin throw the term around. They ripped it from Gore Vidal.

    If they’re going to call us fascists, racists, so forth then they’re going to scream no matter what. They’re like somebody w tourettes….they’re just going to do what they are going to do…..

    At the end of the day it becomes a job for a specialist like me….I’m a working class bust up artist and union dude who works as a fuggin cook in the restaurant industry. I’m 6’1 and 250 lbs and I look like a linebacker.

    When I’m not cooking food I’m scrubbing shit, and no, I am not joking while cleaning the public toilet.

    It’s like cleaning shit off the wall and toilet after some idiot loses their self control or a kid uses the bathroom and makes a mess. It’s a dirty ass job nobody wants to do but damnit it must be done and dine correctly.

    So a janitorial blue collar type like me comes in w proper equipment and cleans up the mess.

    In this case it’s these SJW identity politics activists. They’re going to have to be dealt with eventually. And the longer you let it rot and fester the worse it gets & the harder to sanitize and clean up.

    The sooner these SJW idiots are shut up and/or deported — hell PAY THE AFRICAN REGIMES TO TAKE THEM.

    MAKE THEM THINK ITS A PEACE CORP TYPE GIG.

    But at some point it’s going to have to be dealt with. Just like how Obama had to clean up the Bush downturn and Trump has to clean up 35 years of bipartisan Reagan deregulation and later neolib slash neocon free trade and the chaos and mess it’s put upon our populace and economy.

    Trump is hated because for all his faults he’s actually daring to fix problems that other politicians from both parties chose to kick the can on.

    Being a janitor is a hard, thankless job. But by damn someone has to do it….

    And these SJW troublemakers are going to have to be dealt with at some part….the sooner the better.

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    But at some point it’s going to have to be dealt with. Just like how Obama had to clean up the Bush downturn...........
     
    Are you kidding? What did Obama "clean up"? How did he perform this "clean up"? Was it with the tens or hundreds of billions of dollars in shovel-ready transfer-payments? The summary execution of Saturn Motors? The "tax" that people had to pay to NOT get health insurance? The crappy insurance they did get to avoid paying that "tax"? What, exactly?

    Tell us, what was it that Obama did that made things better?
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  111. @Anonymous
    Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU's population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.

    and Iran and North Korea won’t be able to produce the bomb for decades……

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  112. I’m not persuaded by predictions that are clearly just extrapolations.

    If simple extrapolations were true, we’d all be flying around at Mach 9 by now.
    .
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  113. @NOTA
    There’s a non crazy version of this. If you think that, say, Nigeria is poor mainly because of bad institutions and culture, then importing Nigerians into the EU or UK or US can work out okay, as long as you don’t import the bad institutions and culture. That might even work out, though there are hbd/IQ distribution reasons to think it won’t. And even so, you need to work out how to avoid bringing the broken culture and institutions along—limiting immigration from each country, limiting chain migration to avoid whole clans/extended families coming over at once, preferring young and westernized immigrants—all that might work. But I’d like to see it spelled out, both the policy and the assumptions on which it is based.

    That sounds like an extremely difficult, time consuming policy to implement with very little payoff if done correctly. Letting in high quality immigrants without getting the broken culture is impossible with our current political leadership and bleeding heart media.

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    Also, just because you're high-quality in the sense of at or above the average intelligence of the country you're moving into, not criminally insane, free of infectious disease, not a layabout, etc. doesn't mean you're good for civilization. You could very easily be degenerate. We have plenty of above-average homegrown degenerates ruining our civilization. Entertainment and academia, for instance, are full of 'em.

    There are so many ways to get a raw deal on newcomers.

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  114. @thetruth
    The traditional form of the Muslim religion cannot conform with modern civilization.

    It just can't.

    When you find a "cool muslim," it always means that person is not conforming to one, or more basic Muslim principals, while claiming that he or she is conforming. In every case, you'll find their claim to be false in one important way or another, according to the muslim religion.

    The Muslim value system is antithetical to western values to the point of appearing to be pathological.

    The sooner our leaders take this as a given, the better chance this country has for long term survival.

    http://abc7ny.com/man-hails-cab-while-date-burns-to-death-in-car-fire/2527340/

    I think Massachusetts just found its next Senator.

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  115. https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/thoughts-on-the-greatness-of-ulysses-s-grant

    The essence of all good writing is clarity. Style seems like a separate attribute of good writing. But it’s not. Style is really just a byproduct of clarity and concision. It is the personality or other uniqueness of the writer coming through on the page because they write clearly.

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  116. and greedy smugglers and their NGO partners won’t be able to figure out a means of moving more human beings North.

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  117. @Anonymous
    Why would there be an exponential increase in Mediterranean crossings? Are the waters going to get any less dangerous? Population increase in West Africa where most migrants emerge may gradually increase as more West Africans want to try but at the same time an increase in average income in West Africa due to a growing population will also discourage further crossings because it takes a lot of personal savings to pay for the buses and trucks to get across the Sahel.

    I believe the number of migrants crossing the Mediterranean will remain stable over the decades at 200,000 per year. That's not a civilization challenging problem.

    I believe the number of migrants crossing the Mediterranean will remain stable over the decades at 200,000 per year. That’s not a civilization challenging problem.

    Your council would be very comforting to the Carthaginian empire, celtic Britain, the Western Roman Empire, and the Visigothic kingdom of North Africa………………if those civilizations still existed.

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  118. Educate the women, and the offspring per woman ratio will drop to replacement level in two generations. Open family planning clinics. Send in the NGOs!

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  119. @Neoconned
    Give up your job, house, car, etc first and then ask the rest of us to pay for this shit.

    Even at 200k per year plus their kids that is a sizable welfare burden to undertake....

    Only a total of 200,000 African slaves were brought to The United States from 1650-1850 and yet we had 5 million Blacks by 1875 and 9 million by 1900 and 21 million by 1970 and 41 million today….

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    Yeah, but whites always outnumbered them, and still do. Which is why they hold the whip-hand in society, according to blacks.

    For proof of this, check out how you're allowed to criticize and discriminate against blacks, how popular culture is unobsessed with blacks, how not every middle-class character in t.v. commercials is black, how public perception of black criminality is totally in line with statistics, and so on.
    , @Mr. Anon
    A good point in answer to commenter #2's rabid complacency-mongering.
    , @Jack D
    Africans may not be the smartest people but they are physically robust and procreative. The entire Caribbean is populated mostly by blacks because they were more vigorous and disease resistant than the whites who were their ostensible "masters". Colonization got essentially nowhere in most of Africa because whites would die off from disease. Amerindians experienced a massive die off because they could not withstand the white man's diseases such as smallpox but these same diseases didn't seem to cause epidemic extinctions among Africans. The Columbian discovery turned out to be an unintentional scheme for repopulating large parts of the New World with Africans. At least in the Caribbean they are on their own for the most part but when they get to the West whites have to support them (at least for as long as there are any whites left). It may be that the fate of most of the West is to be like Jamaica or Haiti where in the end virtually the entire population is black.
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  120. I’m as big a fan as any of our gracious host, but this is bullshit. The problem with immigration is us, the immigration patriots, the alt-right, the populist/nationalist Right, whoever “us” is supposed to be. We say a few words like human biodiversity, demographic replacement, immivasion, etc, etc, blah, blah, and convince ourselves that we’re right.

    But nobody believes us. And the reason nobody believes us, is because we’re full of shit. We get off on Donald Trump channeling John Wayne on Twitter, and then ignore the reality of what’s going on in the world.

    Maybe if we internalized this chart

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

    more and the World’s Most Important Graph less, we’d be better off.

    I used to think the problem with immigration was the multicultural hostility of The Other side, combined with the Chamber of Commerce and its willingness to sell our adversaries the rope they’d hang us with. And those are real problems, no doubt. But in terms of moving the ball on immigration, the problem is us.

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    I certainly have no problem believing that YOU are part of the problem.
    , @Opinionator
    But nobody believes us. And the reason nobody believes us, is because we’re full of shit. We get off on Donald Trump channeling John Wayne on Twitter, and then ignore the reality of what’s going on in the world.

    I don't follow. In what way are people full of shit and what reality is being ignored?
    , @Anonymous
    People have already forgotten the biggest revelation of the 2016 election - that the purpose of polls is to influence public opinion not reflect it.
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  121. I doubt Europe will ever have a significant sub-Saharan black population. As long as Europe continues to welcome mass numbers of Afghans, Syrians, and Turks, then those populations will eventually push for a stop to black immigration and make life very unpleasant for blacks already in Europe. The irony of mass immigration is that Western Europe is now importing large numbers of people who are far more comfortable being racist than right-wing white Europeans are.

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    Agree....Caucasian Muslims will be the majority of Europe around 2055 , and they will put a quick stop to accepting any refugees...

    no Islamic nations today accept Muslim refugees, and they certainly will not rescue Sub-Saharan Africans from the sea to bring them to the Islamic State of France...
    , @Anonymous
    You miss out *the* three vital drivers of third world immigration into Europe.

    1/. The Left. Basically, in its modern incarnation at least, institutionally anti-white. Perhaps exceedingly foolish in terms of policies, but very very cunning. Knows full well that the path to permanent political power - and thus implementing Marx - is by importing as much of the third world as possible, as fast as possible.

    2/. The Economist Magazine. Unspeakable, evil, stupid fools. But stupid fools puffed up by arrogance and ENORMOUS influence. If you want to know what the Deep State is thinking - and more crucially a not very intelligent politician on the make (most of them) - read The Economist. True to form, and true to its unfathomable evil and stupidity, The Economist wants massive uncontrolled third world immigration. So, massive uncontrolled third world immigration is what Europe, assuredly, will get.
    That it plays into the hands of (1) above, The Economist's supposed mortal enemy, (actually white people and not the left are The Economist's enemies), doesn't seem to register with them. Which is typical if their arrogance and stupidity.

    3/. The EU.
    A dictatorship, a real true autocratic undemocratic unaccountable unrepresentative elitist dictatorship for you. Forget Mussolini, Hitler, Amin etc, here's the real deal, but in Juncker's sheep-like clothing. Run by institutionally anti-whit arrogant wooden-headed fools. As long as the EU exists, exponentially increasing mass third world immigration will continue.
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  122. @Pat Boyle
    Actually there is no real possibility that the African trend line would take that rapidly rising shape. The population carrying capacity of a nation or a region sets a limit to how many people it will hold. If the African population were to rise as quickly as seen in Steve's graph it would soon fall at same pace. That means there would be a population crash. A sort of lemming effect.

    If the population of any place were to rise that fast it would look more like one cycle of a sine wave - it goes up then it goes down.

    If the population of any place were to rise that fast it would look more like one cycle of a sine wave – it goes up then it goes down.

    Take a minute to contemplate what all is involved in the process of “it goes down”.

    I’ll give you a hint: it involves gasoline, tires, and machetes.

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  123. @syonredux

    Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU’s population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.
     
    "Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!"

    Leider, Ihr Kommentar ist Quatsch, aber die Erste Kommentar ist total Quatsch.

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  124. @eah
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTWyp0SVwAAsT20.jpg

    Actually, the GF holding his hand and expressing disbelief in his leering would be our western European allies. The Shithole Countries would be a beggar peeing on his shoes while asking for a handout.

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  125. OT:

    Pink pussyhats are being dropped from Women’s March because they ‘exclude trans women and women whose private parts are not pink’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5262985/Pussyhats-dropped-2018-Womens-March-events.html#ixzz540LZfJjy

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    Pink pussyhats are being dropped from Women’s March because they ‘exclude trans women and women whose private parts are not pink’
     
    Perhaps, to be inclusive, they should wear hats shaped like penises. That would make them literal - rather than merely figurative - dick-heads.
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  126. @Anonymous
    The Mediterranean is the turnstile. A few thousand Africans drown every year. That deters most from trying to cross.

    The World’s Most Important Graph implies a fairly strong deterrent to remaining in Africa in the near future. Do you think perhaps mass starvation might impel a few additional Africans to brave the waters?

    Or borders, for that matter?

    Or inventivize bleeding-hearts to help them across the water?

    Do you think it’s only the roughness of the water that limits the number at 200,000, by the way? You don’t think there’ll be more the greater foothold Africans have on the European continent?

    Just how limited is your imagination?

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  127. @Pat Boyle
    Actually there is no real possibility that the African trend line would take that rapidly rising shape. The population carrying capacity of a nation or a region sets a limit to how many people it will hold. If the African population were to rise as quickly as seen in Steve's graph it would soon fall at same pace. That means there would be a population crash. A sort of lemming effect.

    If the population of any place were to rise that fast it would look more like one cycle of a sine wave - it goes up then it goes down.

    If you isolated Africa then yes. But those who hold the levers if power are Neo-moralists and will not allow this to occur. They are coming here and there is little we can do about it. Arm yourself.

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  128. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Lovely graph. I guess we have Bill Gates to thank for saving all those millions of African babies the last 2 decades, while African women continue to have 5 to 7 babies each out of 10,000 year habit. Now what? Maybe he should open up a string of Microsoft offices all over Africa and hire all these people.

    All humans are created equal and interchangeable right, Bill? All they need is a little training. I’m sure your army of “best and brightest”, “highly skilled” H1b engineers from India will have no trouble training these Africans. Time to send these brilliant Indians to Africa to help their kin.

    This is what happens when humans try to defy nature, in this case, nature’s order of survival of the fittest. Bill Gates, Bono, all the African aid, welfare and affirmative action in the rich world helped ensure survival of the least fit. Now the rich world gets to reap what it sowed.

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    Bill Gates was merely searching for all the hidden African Einsteins, without which we'd be unable to enjoy the Black Relativity you take for granted. That's the trade-off: all the African genius that's helping humanity progress into a Brave New World, or fewer overall Africans. I think you know he made the right call./s

    By the way, I hear people blaming Norman Borlaug. Interesting moral question: if there's mass starvation in Africa in the coming decades, does that guy bear responsibility? In which case he might be History's Greatest Monster. Or is it a case of, "I gave you life, now you deal with it."

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  129. @Anonymous
    Graph shows population growth over the next 80 years. That's 4 generations. So it's gradual.

    Made a mistake. Meant to say decrease in African per capita incomes over the next 80 years due to population increase deprives Africans of the personal savings that need to be accumulated to make the long trip.

    It’s gradual, yes, in the sense that it won’t happen entirely within a single millisecond.

    But compared to population growth elsewhere, and compared to the historical timeline, it’s like a nuclear frickin’ bomb. That’s why it’s the world’s most important graph.

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  130. @Barnard
    That sounds like an extremely difficult, time consuming policy to implement with very little payoff if done correctly. Letting in high quality immigrants without getting the broken culture is impossible with our current political leadership and bleeding heart media.

    Also, just because you’re high-quality in the sense of at or above the average intelligence of the country you’re moving into, not criminally insane, free of infectious disease, not a layabout, etc. doesn’t mean you’re good for civilization. You could very easily be degenerate. We have plenty of above-average homegrown degenerates ruining our civilization. Entertainment and academia, for instance, are full of ‘em.

    There are so many ways to get a raw deal on newcomers.

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  131. @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro
    Only a total of 200,000 African slaves were brought to The United States from 1650-1850 and yet we had 5 million Blacks by 1875 and 9 million by 1900 and 21 million by 1970 and 41 million today....

    Yeah, but whites always outnumbered them, and still do. Which is why they hold the whip-hand in society, according to blacks.

    For proof of this, check out how you’re allowed to criticize and discriminate against blacks, how popular culture is unobsessed with blacks, how not every middle-class character in t.v. commercials is black, how public perception of black criminality is totally in line with statistics, and so on.

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  132. @anon
    Lovely graph. I guess we have Bill Gates to thank for saving all those millions of African babies the last 2 decades, while African women continue to have 5 to 7 babies each out of 10,000 year habit. Now what? Maybe he should open up a string of Microsoft offices all over Africa and hire all these people.

    All humans are created equal and interchangeable right, Bill? All they need is a little training. I'm sure your army of "best and brightest", "highly skilled" H1b engineers from India will have no trouble training these Africans. Time to send these brilliant Indians to Africa to help their kin.

    This is what happens when humans try to defy nature, in this case, nature's order of survival of the fittest. Bill Gates, Bono, all the African aid, welfare and affirmative action in the rich world helped ensure survival of the least fit. Now the rich world gets to reap what it sowed.

    Bill Gates was merely searching for all the hidden African Einsteins, without which we’d be unable to enjoy the Black Relativity you take for granted. That’s the trade-off: all the African genius that’s helping humanity progress into a Brave New World, or fewer overall Africans. I think you know he made the right call./s

    By the way, I hear people blaming Norman Borlaug. Interesting moral question: if there’s mass starvation in Africa in the coming decades, does that guy bear responsibility? In which case he might be History’s Greatest Monster. Or is it a case of, “I gave you life, now you deal with it.”

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    Bill Gates was merely searching for all the hidden African Einsteins, without which we’d be unable to enjoy the Black Relativity you take for granted. That’s the trade-off: all the African genius that’s helping humanity progress into a Brave New World, or fewer overall Africans. I think you know he made the right call./s
     
    How did he make the right call? All he gave us was a much more populated continent full of low IQ people. An African genius is one who can manage long division. They've all been culled by the Ivy League and many end up at Microsoft after graduation, further depriving Africa of future leaders of at least average intelligence. If he made the right call then by all means move his Microsoft HQ to Mombasa.
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  133. @Lex
    OT - War on Poland continues:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/opinion/europe-western-values-poland.html

    The Battle Line for Western Values Runs Through Poland

    The European Union is the West’s last line of defense. The United States has historically been the world’s anchor of republican ideals, but President Trump has abandoned the role, openly admiring strongmen like Vladimir Putin of Russia. As the temptations of nationalist populism spread, Europe has responsibility for holding down the Western fort. The primary battle right now is over Poland, which is deepening its descent into illiberalism. The European Union needs to take a firm stand in defense of Western values.
     

    Poland’s leading role in the collapse of the Soviet bloc makes its illiberal slide all the more arresting.
     

    The European Union must hold the line against Warsaw’s defection from the union’s core values — not just for the sake of liberal democracy in Poland but also for the democratic credentials of the union itself.
     

    But the European Union can no longer afford to treat wayward members with kid gloves. If Poland does not reverse course, Brussels should proceed with efforts to suspend its voting rights. This requires consent from all but the sanctioned party, but even if Hungary blocks these moves, the effort itself will send a strong message to Poles. And a Hungarian veto would give the European Union additional cause for taking overdue steps to discipline Budapest.
     

    I saw this on episode of House, MD

    There was a vote by the board to kick House out of the hospital. It needed to be unanimous and House’s friend Wilson was the one vote to retain House. So the bad guy made a motion to kick Wilson off the board, which Wilson wasn’t allowed to vote on.

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  134. @The Alarmist
    Leider, Ihr Kommentar ist Quatsch, aber die Erste Kommentar ist total Quatsch.

    Syonredux’s Post ist kaum “Quatsch” gewesen. Er hat Wolfgang Pauli zitiert, und es ist vollstaendig geeignet.

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    Lies es nochmal: Der erste Kommentar von Anonymous war total Quatsch.
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  135. @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro
    Only a total of 200,000 African slaves were brought to The United States from 1650-1850 and yet we had 5 million Blacks by 1875 and 9 million by 1900 and 21 million by 1970 and 41 million today....

    A good point in answer to commenter #2′s rabid complacency-mongering.

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  136. @syonredux
    Hey, what's so bad about having lots of Blacks around. Things are going great in the UK.....

    Gang rape: Is it a race issue?
    A high proportion of such attacks appears to be carried out by young black men, according to Metropolitan Police statistics. Sorious Samura investigates this horrendous crime- and what it says about Britain today
     

    In 1999 I witnessed a gang rape in Sierra Leone. I was forced to watch a group of rebel soldiers taking it in turns to rape a young girl in front of an audience of jeering men. It was the height of the civil conflict and rape had become a devastating weapon of war. When I moved to Britain I believed I had escaped such horrific sexual violence. As my Dispatches investigation tomorrow night shows, I was mistaken. Gang rape is happening here – and what I have found most disturbing as an African is that a disproportionate number of these attacks are being carried out by black or mixed-race young men.
     

    In December, nine schoolboys, some as young as 13 at the time of the attack, were convicted of raping a 14-year-old girl. She was dragged between tower blocks in Hackney where she was threatened with a knife, hit and raped during an ordeal that lasted an hour and a half – some of which was filmed on mobile phones. In January, three men were convicted of gang raping a 16-year-old with learning disabilities for two hours before dousing her with caustic soda in an effort to get rid of the evidence.
     

    . One of the few police forces to have begun recording the figures of reported gang rape is the Metropolitan Police. In 2008 alone, they received reports of 85 gang rapes. Using the Met's definition of gang rape – those involving three or more perpetrators – we began to look at the number of convictions. We tracked down 29 cases, from January 2006 to March 2009, in which a total of 92 young people were convicted of involvement in gang rape.

    One fact stood out. Of those convicted, 66 were black or mixed race, 13 were white and the remainder were from other countries including Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.
     


    The groups of young men I met in London expressed some profoundly disturbing attitudes towards girls and sex. The boys explained how they make arrangements for "line-ups" in which one girl has oral sex with up to six or seven of them at one time. These arrangements might be made at school or on mobile phones.

    Sometimes these girls initially consent because they want to be popular. But these events can spiral into rape because the boys consider that any girl who is prepared to agree to a line-up can be considered fair game. One boy told me: "If she wants to go and meet a bag of boys then she's probably a jezzie [slut], and if she's going to a house it's over – she's going to get beaten [have sex]."
     


    The victims' descriptions of their attacks are horrific. One young victim likened her attack to being "pulled and pushed around like a rag doll", while another 14-year-old girl described her ordeal when she was gang raped by a total of nine boys who told her that she was not the only girl they had attacked. In that case, nine boys were subsequently convicted of raping her. The youngest perpetrator was just 12 years old.

     

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/gang-rape-is-it-a-race-issue-1711381.html

    A very small price to pay for the never ending benefits of vibrant diversity.

    But only if you are wealthy and can afford to live in a segregated community completely insulated from the vibrants. Which fits the profile of all of our betters forcing this crap down our throats.

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  137. @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro
    Only a total of 200,000 African slaves were brought to The United States from 1650-1850 and yet we had 5 million Blacks by 1875 and 9 million by 1900 and 21 million by 1970 and 41 million today....

    Africans may not be the smartest people but they are physically robust and procreative. The entire Caribbean is populated mostly by blacks because they were more vigorous and disease resistant than the whites who were their ostensible “masters”. Colonization got essentially nowhere in most of Africa because whites would die off from disease. Amerindians experienced a massive die off because they could not withstand the white man’s diseases such as smallpox but these same diseases didn’t seem to cause epidemic extinctions among Africans. The Columbian discovery turned out to be an unintentional scheme for repopulating large parts of the New World with Africans. At least in the Caribbean they are on their own for the most part but when they get to the West whites have to support them (at least for as long as there are any whites left). It may be that the fate of most of the West is to be like Jamaica or Haiti where in the end virtually the entire population is black.

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    If the theory is right and we all actually came out of Africa, eventually all the Africans who are invading Europe now will evolve into new Europeans, new East Asians and reach the same level of IQ and civilization. It'll just take another 70,000 years, a short time span in the Sun's remaining 5 billion year shelf life.

    Unless the theory is actually wrong and we actually did not all come out of Africa, then...uh oh.

    , @istevefan

    Colonization got essentially nowhere in most of Africa because whites would die off from disease. Amerindians experienced a massive die off because they could not withstand the white man’s diseases such as smallpox but these same diseases didn’t seem to cause epidemic extinctions among Africans.
     
    I think what you write has truth to it. I will add something I picked up from reading Adam Smith. He suggested that because the Americas (the North especially) were inhabited by hunter-gatherers, their populations were much lower, and thus Europeans had a better chance of establishing themselves. In most of Africa (the Cape excepted) the locals were shepherds or into agriculture which enabled them to have larger populations. This made it more difficult for Europeans to establish themselves in any part of Africa except the Cape Colonies.
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  138. @Boethiuss
    I'm as big a fan as any of our gracious host, but this is bullshit. The problem with immigration is us, the immigration patriots, the alt-right, the populist/nationalist Right, whoever "us" is supposed to be. We say a few words like human biodiversity, demographic replacement, immivasion, etc, etc, blah, blah, and convince ourselves that we're right.

    But nobody believes us. And the reason nobody believes us, is because we're full of shit. We get off on Donald Trump channeling John Wayne on Twitter, and then ignore the reality of what's going on in the world.

    Maybe if we internalized this chart

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

    more and the World's Most Important Graph less, we'd be better off.

    I used to think the problem with immigration was the multicultural hostility of The Other side, combined with the Chamber of Commerce and its willingness to sell our adversaries the rope they'd hang us with. And those are real problems, no doubt. But in terms of moving the ball on immigration, the problem is us.

    I certainly have no problem believing that YOU are part of the problem.

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  139. @Neoconned
    You know I really am almost to the point where I'm willing to trade foreigners of whatever variety who show a willingness or aptitude for hard work, entrepreneurship etc for these welfare unemployable "racism screamers"..... especially the smug white ones.

    We'll take in say Asian, Latino, Arab etc small business types, college professors etc and deport these loudmouth derelicts to Zambia or their shithole of choice.

    They can go dig Wells for the village or whatever and go get their Dolly Dogooder urges satiated. Only they lose citizenship and they're at the mercy of the Africans etc

    I've seen the term "crypto fascist" thrown about a lot on social media recently. I used to only see neocon vermin throw the term around. They ripped it from Gore Vidal.

    If they're going to call us fascists, racists, so forth then they're going to scream no matter what. They're like somebody w tourettes....they're just going to do what they are going to do.....

    At the end of the day it becomes a job for a specialist like me....I'm a working class bust up artist and union dude who works as a fuggin cook in the restaurant industry. I'm 6'1 and 250 lbs and I look like a linebacker.

    When I'm not cooking food I'm scrubbing shit, and no, I am not joking while cleaning the public toilet.

    It's like cleaning shit off the wall and toilet after some idiot loses their self control or a kid uses the bathroom and makes a mess. It's a dirty ass job nobody wants to do but damnit it must be done and dine correctly.

    So a janitorial blue collar type like me comes in w proper equipment and cleans up the mess.

    In this case it's these SJW identity politics activists. They're going to have to be dealt with eventually. And the longer you let it rot and fester the worse it gets & the harder to sanitize and clean up.

    The sooner these SJW idiots are shut up and/or deported -- hell PAY THE AFRICAN REGIMES TO TAKE THEM.

    MAKE THEM THINK ITS A PEACE CORP TYPE GIG.

    But at some point it's going to have to be dealt with. Just like how Obama had to clean up the Bush downturn and Trump has to clean up 35 years of bipartisan Reagan deregulation and later neolib slash neocon free trade and the chaos and mess it's put upon our populace and economy.

    Trump is hated because for all his faults he's actually daring to fix problems that other politicians from both parties chose to kick the can on.

    Being a janitor is a hard, thankless job. But by damn someone has to do it....

    And these SJW troublemakers are going to have to be dealt with at some part....the sooner the better.

    But at some point it’s going to have to be dealt with. Just like how Obama had to clean up the Bush downturn………..

    Are you kidding? What did Obama “clean up”? How did he perform this “clean up”? Was it with the tens or hundreds of billions of dollars in shovel-ready transfer-payments? The summary execution of Saturn Motors? The “tax” that people had to pay to NOT get health insurance? The crappy insurance they did get to avoid paying that “tax”? What, exactly?

    Tell us, what was it that Obama did that made things better?

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  140. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Africans may not be the smartest people but they are physically robust and procreative. The entire Caribbean is populated mostly by blacks because they were more vigorous and disease resistant than the whites who were their ostensible "masters". Colonization got essentially nowhere in most of Africa because whites would die off from disease. Amerindians experienced a massive die off because they could not withstand the white man's diseases such as smallpox but these same diseases didn't seem to cause epidemic extinctions among Africans. The Columbian discovery turned out to be an unintentional scheme for repopulating large parts of the New World with Africans. At least in the Caribbean they are on their own for the most part but when they get to the West whites have to support them (at least for as long as there are any whites left). It may be that the fate of most of the West is to be like Jamaica or Haiti where in the end virtually the entire population is black.

    If the theory is right and we all actually came out of Africa, eventually all the Africans who are invading Europe now will evolve into new Europeans, new East Asians and reach the same level of IQ and civilization. It’ll just take another 70,000 years, a short time span in the Sun’s remaining 5 billion year shelf life.

    Unless the theory is actually wrong and we actually did not all come out of Africa, then…uh oh.

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  141. @utu
    OT:

    Pink pussyhats are being dropped from Women's March because they 'exclude trans women and women whose private parts are not pink'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5262985/Pussyhats-dropped-2018-Womens-March-events.html#ixzz540LZfJjy

    Pink pussyhats are being dropped from Women’s March because they ‘exclude trans women and women whose private parts are not pink’

    Perhaps, to be inclusive, they should wear hats shaped like penises. That would make them literal – rather than merely figurative – dick-heads.

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  142. @Lex
    OT - War on Poland continues:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/opinion/europe-western-values-poland.html

    The Battle Line for Western Values Runs Through Poland

    The European Union is the West’s last line of defense. The United States has historically been the world’s anchor of republican ideals, but President Trump has abandoned the role, openly admiring strongmen like Vladimir Putin of Russia. As the temptations of nationalist populism spread, Europe has responsibility for holding down the Western fort. The primary battle right now is over Poland, which is deepening its descent into illiberalism. The European Union needs to take a firm stand in defense of Western values.
     

    Poland’s leading role in the collapse of the Soviet bloc makes its illiberal slide all the more arresting.
     

    The European Union must hold the line against Warsaw’s defection from the union’s core values — not just for the sake of liberal democracy in Poland but also for the democratic credentials of the union itself.
     

    But the European Union can no longer afford to treat wayward members with kid gloves. If Poland does not reverse course, Brussels should proceed with efforts to suspend its voting rights. This requires consent from all but the sanctioned party, but even if Hungary blocks these moves, the effort itself will send a strong message to Poles. And a Hungarian veto would give the European Union additional cause for taking overdue steps to discipline Budapest.
     

    Poland’s leading role in the collapse of the Soviet bloc makes its illiberal slide all the more arresting.

    ……………………………………………

    But the European Union can no longer afford to treat wayward members with kid gloves. If Poland does not reverse course, Brussels should proceed with efforts to suspend its voting rights. This requires consent from all but the sanctioned party, but even if Hungary blocks these moves, the effort itself will send a strong message to Poles. And a Hungarian veto would give the European Union additional cause for taking overdue steps to discipline Budapest.

    Why not really take the gloves off? Perhaps the EU should declare martial law in Poland, and send tanks into Budapest. That will send a strong message that the EU will not permit an illiberal slide back to the ways of the Soviet Bloc.

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  143. @Lex
    OT - War on Poland continues:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/opinion/europe-western-values-poland.html

    The Battle Line for Western Values Runs Through Poland

    The European Union is the West’s last line of defense. The United States has historically been the world’s anchor of republican ideals, but President Trump has abandoned the role, openly admiring strongmen like Vladimir Putin of Russia. As the temptations of nationalist populism spread, Europe has responsibility for holding down the Western fort. The primary battle right now is over Poland, which is deepening its descent into illiberalism. The European Union needs to take a firm stand in defense of Western values.
     

    Poland’s leading role in the collapse of the Soviet bloc makes its illiberal slide all the more arresting.
     

    The European Union must hold the line against Warsaw’s defection from the union’s core values — not just for the sake of liberal democracy in Poland but also for the democratic credentials of the union itself.
     

    But the European Union can no longer afford to treat wayward members with kid gloves. If Poland does not reverse course, Brussels should proceed with efforts to suspend its voting rights. This requires consent from all but the sanctioned party, but even if Hungary blocks these moves, the effort itself will send a strong message to Poles. And a Hungarian veto would give the European Union additional cause for taking overdue steps to discipline Budapest.
     

    By CHARLES A. KUPCHAN

    What is it that guy always says? ………………”Everytime”.

    Well, it might not be everytime, but it is certainly very often and very statistically significant.

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  144. @Lex
    OT - War on Poland continues:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/opinion/europe-western-values-poland.html

    The Battle Line for Western Values Runs Through Poland

    The European Union is the West’s last line of defense. The United States has historically been the world’s anchor of republican ideals, but President Trump has abandoned the role, openly admiring strongmen like Vladimir Putin of Russia. As the temptations of nationalist populism spread, Europe has responsibility for holding down the Western fort. The primary battle right now is over Poland, which is deepening its descent into illiberalism. The European Union needs to take a firm stand in defense of Western values.
     

    Poland’s leading role in the collapse of the Soviet bloc makes its illiberal slide all the more arresting.
     

    The European Union must hold the line against Warsaw’s defection from the union’s core values — not just for the sake of liberal democracy in Poland but also for the democratic credentials of the union itself.
     

    But the European Union can no longer afford to treat wayward members with kid gloves. If Poland does not reverse course, Brussels should proceed with efforts to suspend its voting rights. This requires consent from all but the sanctioned party, but even if Hungary blocks these moves, the effort itself will send a strong message to Poles. And a Hungarian veto would give the European Union additional cause for taking overdue steps to discipline Budapest.
     

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  145. @Peter Lund
    You know they aren't actually crossing the Mediterranean, right?

    It's not particularly dangerous to sail a few kilometers out from the coast when the weather is good and your smugglers have already notified the European humanitarian rescue organizations (who are totally not smugglers!) who transport you the rest of the way to Europe in big, safe ships.

    3,100 migrants died trying to cross the Med last year so it is very dangerous.

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    Not nearly enough.
    , @Anonymous
    As a proportion of those who attempt it, it's relatively minor.
    , @Mr. Anon

    3,100 migrants died trying to cross the Med last year so it is very dangerous.
     
    There are lots more where they came from.
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  146. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Luke Lea
    Quoting Lincoln, as our problem is new we need to think anew. In other words we need to think outside the box. For example:

    Alternative 1: A cheap food or water additive that reduces but does not eliminate female fertility.

    Alternative 2: Massive private corporate investment staffed by high-skilled managers from outside the continent, the goal being to hasten the so-called demographic transition.

    Alternative 3: A positive eugenic genetic engineering program to increase African cognitive abilities. Short of a cheap Crispr technology, one way would be a new Peace Corp, whose mission would be to inseminate as many young nubile African maidens as are willing.

    These alternatives are not mutually exclusive. All would increase African welfare.

    Alternative 3: A positive eugenic genetic engineering program to increase African cognitive abilities. Short of a cheap Crispr technology, one way would be a new Peace Corp, whose mission would be to inseminate as many young nubile African maidens as are willing.

    More likely it’ll be the other way around. African men will inseminate as many white women as are willing — and there are many, and bring down the IQ of Europeans. Since Africans have an IQ of 67 and Europeans 100, future Europeans will have an IQ of around 83, about the same as American blacks. Europe will turn into a continent that resembles Baltimore, Chicago South Side, New Orleans, St. Louis and other black heavy areas in the US.

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    More likely it’ll be the other way around. African men will inseminate as many white women as are willing
     
    Not mention all the unwilling ones.....


    " Using the Met’s definition of gang rape – those involving three or more perpetrators – we began to look at the number of convictions. We tracked down 29 cases, from January 2006 to March 2009, in which a total of 92 young people were convicted of involvement in gang rape.

    One fact stood out. Of those convicted, 66 were black or mixed race, 13 were white and the remainder were from other countries including Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. "

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/gang-rape-is-it-a-race-issue-1711381.html

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  148. @Peter Akuleyev
    I doubt Europe will ever have a significant sub-Saharan black population. As long as Europe continues to welcome mass numbers of Afghans, Syrians, and Turks, then those populations will eventually push for a stop to black immigration and make life very unpleasant for blacks already in Europe. The irony of mass immigration is that Western Europe is now importing large numbers of people who are far more comfortable being racist than right-wing white Europeans are.

    Agree….Caucasian Muslims will be the majority of Europe around 2055 , and they will put a quick stop to accepting any refugees…

    no Islamic nations today accept Muslim refugees, and they certainly will not rescue Sub-Saharan Africans from the sea to bring them to the Islamic State of France…

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    The operation was a success, but the patient died.....
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  149. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @guest
    Bill Gates was merely searching for all the hidden African Einsteins, without which we'd be unable to enjoy the Black Relativity you take for granted. That's the trade-off: all the African genius that's helping humanity progress into a Brave New World, or fewer overall Africans. I think you know he made the right call./s

    By the way, I hear people blaming Norman Borlaug. Interesting moral question: if there's mass starvation in Africa in the coming decades, does that guy bear responsibility? In which case he might be History's Greatest Monster. Or is it a case of, "I gave you life, now you deal with it."

    Bill Gates was merely searching for all the hidden African Einsteins, without which we’d be unable to enjoy the Black Relativity you take for granted. That’s the trade-off: all the African genius that’s helping humanity progress into a Brave New World, or fewer overall Africans. I think you know he made the right call./s

    How did he make the right call? All he gave us was a much more populated continent full of low IQ people. An African genius is one who can manage long division. They’ve all been culled by the Ivy League and many end up at Microsoft after graduation, further depriving Africa of future leaders of at least average intelligence. If he made the right call then by all means move his Microsoft HQ to Mombasa.

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    I put a sarcsasm tag on that comment, as you might have noticed.
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  150. @Jack D
    Africans may not be the smartest people but they are physically robust and procreative. The entire Caribbean is populated mostly by blacks because they were more vigorous and disease resistant than the whites who were their ostensible "masters". Colonization got essentially nowhere in most of Africa because whites would die off from disease. Amerindians experienced a massive die off because they could not withstand the white man's diseases such as smallpox but these same diseases didn't seem to cause epidemic extinctions among Africans. The Columbian discovery turned out to be an unintentional scheme for repopulating large parts of the New World with Africans. At least in the Caribbean they are on their own for the most part but when they get to the West whites have to support them (at least for as long as there are any whites left). It may be that the fate of most of the West is to be like Jamaica or Haiti where in the end virtually the entire population is black.

    Colonization got essentially nowhere in most of Africa because whites would die off from disease. Amerindians experienced a massive die off because they could not withstand the white man’s diseases such as smallpox but these same diseases didn’t seem to cause epidemic extinctions among Africans.

    I think what you write has truth to it. I will add something I picked up from reading Adam Smith. He suggested that because the Americas (the North especially) were inhabited by hunter-gatherers, their populations were much lower, and thus Europeans had a better chance of establishing themselves. In most of Africa (the Cape excepted) the locals were shepherds or into agriculture which enabled them to have larger populations. This made it more difficult for Europeans to establish themselves in any part of Africa except the Cape Colonies.

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    Adam Smith didn't know much about diseases.

    Disease burden was the big deal in European colonization of North America vs. Africa. The Indian population was tilting back toward hunter-gatherer as its population fell.

    Amerindian population was dropping due to new diseases, while North America was fairly healthy for Europeans.

    African population was pretty low until recently due to native diseases, but the Africans were at least somewhat evolved to handle them. Tropical Africa was mostly a death sentence for unadapted Europeans until recently.
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  151. @istevefan

    Colonization got essentially nowhere in most of Africa because whites would die off from disease. Amerindians experienced a massive die off because they could not withstand the white man’s diseases such as smallpox but these same diseases didn’t seem to cause epidemic extinctions among Africans.
     
    I think what you write has truth to it. I will add something I picked up from reading Adam Smith. He suggested that because the Americas (the North especially) were inhabited by hunter-gatherers, their populations were much lower, and thus Europeans had a better chance of establishing themselves. In most of Africa (the Cape excepted) the locals were shepherds or into agriculture which enabled them to have larger populations. This made it more difficult for Europeans to establish themselves in any part of Africa except the Cape Colonies.

    Adam Smith didn’t know much about diseases.

    Disease burden was the big deal in European colonization of North America vs. Africa. The Indian population was tilting back toward hunter-gatherer as its population fell.

    Amerindian population was dropping due to new diseases, while North America was fairly healthy for Europeans.

    African population was pretty low until recently due to native diseases, but the Africans were at least somewhat evolved to handle them. Tropical Africa was mostly a death sentence for unadapted Europeans until recently.

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    African population accounted for around 15 percent of the world's total from 1500 to 1800, at which point it dropped. I don't know the distribution of the African population back in 1500 or 1600, such as whether it was concentrated in some place like Egypt. But 15 percent of the world's total was seems significant and I can see why Smith might have thought that presented a problem for new European settlers.

    Since he wrote his work in 1776, I'd assume he would have been aware of diseases. With all the shipping traffic conducted by the English to Africa by that time, you'd think Smith would have been aware of reports of people dying from strange diseases.

    There is also the possibility that he wrote what he wrote to fit his narrative on social development. He included a long chapter of the evolution of humans from hunter-gatherers to shepherds to agricultural societies and described how the population was able to expand after each stage. So maybe he concluded that the Indians were in a lower level development stage which accounted for the success of the European settlers in those areas.
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  152. @Boethiuss
    I'm as big a fan as any of our gracious host, but this is bullshit. The problem with immigration is us, the immigration patriots, the alt-right, the populist/nationalist Right, whoever "us" is supposed to be. We say a few words like human biodiversity, demographic replacement, immivasion, etc, etc, blah, blah, and convince ourselves that we're right.

    But nobody believes us. And the reason nobody believes us, is because we're full of shit. We get off on Donald Trump channeling John Wayne on Twitter, and then ignore the reality of what's going on in the world.

    Maybe if we internalized this chart

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

    more and the World's Most Important Graph less, we'd be better off.

    I used to think the problem with immigration was the multicultural hostility of The Other side, combined with the Chamber of Commerce and its willingness to sell our adversaries the rope they'd hang us with. And those are real problems, no doubt. But in terms of moving the ball on immigration, the problem is us.

    But nobody believes us. And the reason nobody believes us, is because we’re full of shit. We get off on Donald Trump channeling John Wayne on Twitter, and then ignore the reality of what’s going on in the world.

    I don’t follow. In what way are people full of shit and what reality is being ignored?

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    I don’t follow. In what way are people full of shit and what reality is being ignored?
     
    What really counts regarding immigration is the desire of the American people to assert its sovereignty and protect the human capital of its citizens. When push comes to shove, that's way more important than the wall or e-Verify or whatever.

    If we have the solidarity of Americans, for America, we'll find whatever policies we need to protect our borders and the interests of our citizens. More importantly, without it, we can have whatever policies we want, and they will simply be undercut by some other means we didn't anticipate.

    The typical of immigration restrictionist politics is to complain very loudly in the style of Ann Coulter. But like I pointed out above, the things she is trying to hold politicians' feet to the fire for are basically downstream of whats important anyway.

    Instead, the alt-right/populist Right/whatever, we have basically despaired of doing anything useful. Instead, we are just hoping for a moment of humiliation for our enemies. Eg, Trump can call Rosie O'Donnell a fat pig on national television, and we could give a shit if he signs a DACA deal with the Democrats, or the fact that his buffoonery makes everything he's associated with unpopular, ie, us.
    , @Mr. Anon

    I don’t follow. In what way are people full of shit and what reality is being ignored?
     
    Boethiuss is full of s**t.
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  153. @voim
    Highly likely that we will see the biggest famine ever happen in Africa within the next few decades.

    There is so much food wasted, it’s unbelievable. Free food, free medicine, free energy and free shelter are the reason their population is exploding in the first place. There isn’t going to be a famine.

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  154. @eah
    “In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”

    Theodore Dalrymple

    This can’t be quoted often enough.

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  155. Diversify Dick Durbin’s neighborhood and all these whiny libtard tweeters’ neighborhoods.

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  156. The world’s most important graph is probably the chart showing AlphaZero becoming the world’s strongest chess-playing entity after a few hours of self-play.

    At some point, AI, or a human-AI coalition, is going to go through a similar spike in intelligence and power, with respect to the real world, and then *all* of us will just be monkeys in a big zoo called Earth.

    However, until that happens… We may see Trump’s Wall extended to become a strategic concept encompassing the Atlantic and the Mediterranean.

    But Africa is far from isolated. China, India, and the Muslim world all have business there. The African countries that do best, will become leaders within the regions of Africa.

    So some parts of Africa may have communal politics like India at its worst, and others will be war zones like Syria at its worst, but there will be a kind of order.

    Now I guess the twin fears of Africa-watchers are, what if they all starve, and what if they mount invasions of the West (or of the Arab world, if you’re Arab). Here I suddenly think of Imperial Japan.

    That was a crowded country, alienated from the world racial order of its time, which looked to China, South-east Asia, and South America as territories that could be colonized by its hungry masses.

    Africa as a whole doesn’t have the cultural or political cohesion that Imperial Japan has, but modern media and a common skin color could change that quickly. So one might imagine “Imperial Africa”, led by its best and brightest, pushing outwards against the rest of the world in increasingly organized ways.

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  157. @Steve Sailer
    Adam Smith didn't know much about diseases.

    Disease burden was the big deal in European colonization of North America vs. Africa. The Indian population was tilting back toward hunter-gatherer as its population fell.

    Amerindian population was dropping due to new diseases, while North America was fairly healthy for Europeans.

    African population was pretty low until recently due to native diseases, but the Africans were at least somewhat evolved to handle them. Tropical Africa was mostly a death sentence for unadapted Europeans until recently.

    African population accounted for around 15 percent of the world’s total from 1500 to 1800, at which point it dropped. I don’t know the distribution of the African population back in 1500 or 1600, such as whether it was concentrated in some place like Egypt. But 15 percent of the world’s total was seems significant and I can see why Smith might have thought that presented a problem for new European settlers.

    Since he wrote his work in 1776, I’d assume he would have been aware of diseases. With all the shipping traffic conducted by the English to Africa by that time, you’d think Smith would have been aware of reports of people dying from strange diseases.

    There is also the possibility that he wrote what he wrote to fit his narrative on social development. He included a long chapter of the evolution of humans from hunter-gatherers to shepherds to agricultural societies and described how the population was able to expand after each stage. So maybe he concluded that the Indians were in a lower level development stage which accounted for the success of the European settlers in those areas.

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  158. Is there a graph that includes East Asians?

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  159. @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro
    Agree....Caucasian Muslims will be the majority of Europe around 2055 , and they will put a quick stop to accepting any refugees...

    no Islamic nations today accept Muslim refugees, and they certainly will not rescue Sub-Saharan Africans from the sea to bring them to the Islamic State of France...

    The operation was a success, but the patient died…..

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  160. @Lex
    OT - War on Poland continues:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/opinion/europe-western-values-poland.html

    The Battle Line for Western Values Runs Through Poland

    The European Union is the West’s last line of defense. The United States has historically been the world’s anchor of republican ideals, but President Trump has abandoned the role, openly admiring strongmen like Vladimir Putin of Russia. As the temptations of nationalist populism spread, Europe has responsibility for holding down the Western fort. The primary battle right now is over Poland, which is deepening its descent into illiberalism. The European Union needs to take a firm stand in defense of Western values.
     

    Poland’s leading role in the collapse of the Soviet bloc makes its illiberal slide all the more arresting.
     

    The European Union must hold the line against Warsaw’s defection from the union’s core values — not just for the sake of liberal democracy in Poland but also for the democratic credentials of the union itself.
     

    But the European Union can no longer afford to treat wayward members with kid gloves. If Poland does not reverse course, Brussels should proceed with efforts to suspend its voting rights. This requires consent from all but the sanctioned party, but even if Hungary blocks these moves, the effort itself will send a strong message to Poles. And a Hungarian veto would give the European Union additional cause for taking overdue steps to discipline Budapest.
     

    There’s something lacking in these threats. They may indeed make good on them but it will require something far more disruptive than what they are talking about.

    So they are finally becoming aware that Hungary will not allow them to punish Poland. Sadly for them they haven’t seemed to make the leap to understanding their plans to punish Hungary for thwarting their attempt to punish Poland will be thwarted by…. Poland.

    And if some day they move past this impasse they will surely be surprised to discover that the Czech Republic and Slovakia are also Visegrad members.

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    How dare the V4 go against the spirit of the European union project by mutually supporting each other! This is as bad as those homophobic Polish demonstrations a few months ago, Hitlerite in their vision of unbreakable Polish sovereignty!
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  161. @anon

    Alternative 3: A positive eugenic genetic engineering program to increase African cognitive abilities. Short of a cheap Crispr technology, one way would be a new Peace Corp, whose mission would be to inseminate as many young nubile African maidens as are willing.
     
    More likely it'll be the other way around. African men will inseminate as many white women as are willing -- and there are many, and bring down the IQ of Europeans. Since Africans have an IQ of 67 and Europeans 100, future Europeans will have an IQ of around 83, about the same as American blacks. Europe will turn into a continent that resembles Baltimore, Chicago South Side, New Orleans, St. Louis and other black heavy areas in the US.

    More likely it’ll be the other way around. African men will inseminate as many white women as are willing

    Not mention all the unwilling ones…..

    ” Using the Met’s definition of gang rape – those involving three or more perpetrators – we began to look at the number of convictions. We tracked down 29 cases, from January 2006 to March 2009, in which a total of 92 young people were convicted of involvement in gang rape.

    One fact stood out. Of those convicted, 66 were black or mixed race, 13 were white and the remainder were from other countries including Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. ”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/gang-rape-is-it-a-race-issue-1711381.html

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  162. @Uilleam Yr Alban
    Given that 2/3 of black foeti are aborted in the U.S., Africans in America would have the same astronomical rates of growth as Africans in Africa absent abortion.

    I’m not sure that abortion has a long-term impact on the poorer population. A messed up woman gets an abortion and then realizes, “I just killed my baby!” so the next time she conceives she keeps it. then she realizes, “kids are expensive and difficult!” But she’s wiser and older now, and the state is giving her money and advice. So she uses birth control and doesn’t have more children. When I spoke to a couple of women at a Crisis Pregnancy Center in Oakland years ago, this is exactly what they told me. Women will deliberately have a baby to compensate for their abortion and then stop because it’s tough being a single mom.

    Marriage, of course, hardly ever figures into the plans of poor women. Unfortunately.

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    Oh God, I have my palm on my forehead as I read your post because it's all so familiar. I've encountered exactly this story with uncounted women. This felt like a 12-step group meeting for a moment. I wonder why there aren't 12-step groups for these women.
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  163. @anon

    Bill Gates was merely searching for all the hidden African Einsteins, without which we’d be unable to enjoy the Black Relativity you take for granted. That’s the trade-off: all the African genius that’s helping humanity progress into a Brave New World, or fewer overall Africans. I think you know he made the right call./s
     
    How did he make the right call? All he gave us was a much more populated continent full of low IQ people. An African genius is one who can manage long division. They've all been culled by the Ivy League and many end up at Microsoft after graduation, further depriving Africa of future leaders of at least average intelligence. If he made the right call then by all means move his Microsoft HQ to Mombasa.

    I put a sarcsasm tag on that comment, as you might have noticed.

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  164. Unless there’s some kind of serious change, sub-Sahara Africa is headed for a population crash. The only rational response to that will be quarantine–if there are any Western political leaders left with the guts to do it.

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  165. @Opinionator
    But nobody believes us. And the reason nobody believes us, is because we’re full of shit. We get off on Donald Trump channeling John Wayne on Twitter, and then ignore the reality of what’s going on in the world.

    I don't follow. In what way are people full of shit and what reality is being ignored?

    I don’t follow. In what way are people full of shit and what reality is being ignored?

    What really counts regarding immigration is the desire of the American people to assert its sovereignty and protect the human capital of its citizens. When push comes to shove, that’s way more important than the wall or e-Verify or whatever.

    If we have the solidarity of Americans, for America, we’ll find whatever policies we need to protect our borders and the interests of our citizens. More importantly, without it, we can have whatever policies we want, and they will simply be undercut by some other means we didn’t anticipate.

    The typical of immigration restrictionist politics is to complain very loudly in the style of Ann Coulter. But like I pointed out above, the things she is trying to hold politicians’ feet to the fire for are basically downstream of whats important anyway.

    Instead, the alt-right/populist Right/whatever, we have basically despaired of doing anything useful. Instead, we are just hoping for a moment of humiliation for our enemies. Eg, Trump can call Rosie O’Donnell a fat pig on national television, and we could give a shit if he signs a DACA deal with the Democrats, or the fact that his buffoonery makes everything he’s associated with unpopular, ie, us.

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    The typical of immigration restrictionist politics is to complain very loudly in the style of Ann Coulter. But like I pointed out above, the things she is trying to hold politicians’ feet to the fire for are basically downstream of whats important anyway.
     
    How is decreasing immigration "downstream" of what's important. When a pipe bursts and the house is flooding, the first most important thing to do is turn off the water.

    "Instead, the alt-right/populist Right/whatever, we have basically despaired of doing anything useful. Instead, we are just hoping for a moment of humiliation for our enemies. Eg, Trump can call Rosie O’Donnell a fat pig on national television, and we could give a shit if he signs a DACA deal with the Democrats, or the fact that his buffoonery makes everything he’s associated with unpopular, ie, us."

    The airwaves and internet are full of alt-right and populist people who have said that they expect Trump to uphold his promises on immigration if he wants to retain their support. Trump probably has the softest support by his most ardent supporters of any President in history. His support is almost entirely conditional. What you claimed is just wrong.

    In an earlier post you claimed that we here were "full of s**t". "Full of s**t" seems to more aptly describe you.

    , @Lars Porsena
    So are you saying I should have voted for Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton?
    , @Samuel Skinner

    What really counts regarding immigration is the desire of the American people to assert its sovereignty and protect the human capital of its citizens. When push comes to shove, that’s way more important than the wall or e-Verify or whatever.
     
    Public opinion is essentially irrelevant. Abortion, affirmative action, forced busing- a host of the actions that define our lives were formed with zero popular input.

    If we have the solidarity of Americans, for America, we’ll find whatever policies we need to protect our borders and the interests of our citizens. More importantly, without it, we can have whatever policies we want, and they will simply be undercut by some other means we didn’t anticipate.
     
    That is impossible in a democracy; they inevitably trends towards factionalism and disunity. If you want unity, you need autocracy. Now, I support that but arguing for the destruction of democracy is even less popular then racism.

    or the fact that his buffoonery makes everything he’s associated with unpopular, ie, us.
     
    Popularity is for women and shitlibs. It is not that caring about your image is wrong; it is that bending to submit to the will of the group is a sign of weakness.
    , @Anonymous
    You say "we" a lot but I think you should refrain from speaking for others. I don't know anyone who thinks like you do and for the most benighted souls one need only to look at our mass media information/entertainment complex to find the source of their illness.
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  166. @Lex
    OT - War on Poland continues:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/opinion/europe-western-values-poland.html

    The Battle Line for Western Values Runs Through Poland

    The European Union is the West’s last line of defense. The United States has historically been the world’s anchor of republican ideals, but President Trump has abandoned the role, openly admiring strongmen like Vladimir Putin of Russia. As the temptations of nationalist populism spread, Europe has responsibility for holding down the Western fort. The primary battle right now is over Poland, which is deepening its descent into illiberalism. The European Union needs to take a firm stand in defense of Western values.
     

    Poland’s leading role in the collapse of the Soviet bloc makes its illiberal slide all the more arresting.
     

    The European Union must hold the line against Warsaw’s defection from the union’s core values — not just for the sake of liberal democracy in Poland but also for the democratic credentials of the union itself.
     

    But the European Union can no longer afford to treat wayward members with kid gloves. If Poland does not reverse course, Brussels should proceed with efforts to suspend its voting rights. This requires consent from all but the sanctioned party, but even if Hungary blocks these moves, the effort itself will send a strong message to Poles. And a Hungarian veto would give the European Union additional cause for taking overdue steps to discipline Budapest.
     

    Another beauty:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/07/hungary-poland-had-enough-of-liberal-democracy-eu-must-act

    It’s ugly and on the rise; and it’s hard to see how it can end well. The global rise of conservative nationalism with the aim of creating “national communities” – directed by an unchallengeable leader to defend special national values, controlling borders against the virus of immigrants and “foreign” influence – is the menace of our times.

    How great it would be if Britain were in the thick of this fight – but we too are in the grip of an anti-Enlightenment populist right. Theresa May has to court the Polish government to support the cake-and-eat-it trade deal she is fatuously pursuing. We cannot join with France and Germany standing for the best of European values because we need Poland’s support. Brexit is revealed to have the same dark roots that succour Orbán. Labour – internationalist, pro-European and profoundly anti-racist – should find the courage to speak out, and insist that in times like these to leave the EU is folly.

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    As the price of becoming Conservative Party Leader back in 2005, David Cameron had to promise to remove the Tories from the EPP group. The successor group, the ECR, is led by Poland's PiS.
    , @The True and Original David
    >>>>"[Border enforcement] is the recipe for domestic repression, crony capitalism, massive corruption, implosion of the rule of law, the rise of racism and international conflict. The values that underpinned the postwar liberal order that conferred peace, tolerance and prosperity are being torched before our eyes."

    This is a Big Lie. It is the "postwar liberal order"--i.e., globalism--that has instituted those evils, arguably intentionally (to make money for, and advance the ethnic interests of, international oligarchs).

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  167. @Anonymous
    Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU's population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.

    Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU’s population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.

    Two words: Chain Migration.

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  168. @Massimo Heitor
    I hate this type of post as it just hypes fear and problems rather than constructive solutions. Without a constructive solution to move forward with, what's the point of anything?

    My preferred solution:
    1. Tap brakes on immigration in the present. I don't think immigration limits can hold forever, but buying time for other plans time to form is very important.

    2. Form better compromise: At some moral level I agree with the pro freedom of migration side in terms of markets. If people choose to interact with each other, the ability of others to inhibit that should be restricted. However, freedom of migration is completely morally incompatible with the idea of majority rule democracy. Foreigners and the children of foreigners don't have any reasonable claim to full voting membership voting in any culture of their choosing. The idea that a new population can choose to physically enter a different nation and culture and automatically claim full voting rights and potentially be the new owners of that culture and civilization without any benefit or choice at all of the pre-existing population, is absurd. What's interesting, is the libertarians generally agree with me. They don't support our current model of majority rule democracy. And in some ways, mass immigration is supposed to undermine that.

    Massimo Heitor,

    I too wish that some “reasonable” or “moderate” solution would slow down massive African immigration/invasion of Europe enough for “other plans to form.” But in an emergency, an oncoming 16-wheeler truck in your path, there is no time to evolve an amiable compromise. You take extreme measures or you won’t survive.

    The idea that a new population can choose to physically enter a different nation and culture and automatically claim full voting rights and potentially be the new owners of that culture and civilization without any benefit or choice at all of the pre-existing population, is absurd.

    Absurd, yes, but once the new population overwhelmingly replaces the old, are they going to settle for being part of the scenery while patiently waiting several generations to absorb the host culture? Why should they even bother to adopt the alien values of indigenous Europeans? One claim common to conquerors in all times and places is “it’s our country now.”

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    I too wish that some “reasonable” or “moderate” solution would slow down massive African immigration/invasion of Europe enough for “other plans to form.” But in an emergency, an oncoming 16-wheeler truck in your path, there is no time to evolve an amiable compromise. You take extreme measures or you won’t survive.
     
    The Serenity Prayer is relevant. Fix the problems that are within your power and don't let the rest of the world drive you nuts.

    One thing regular people do have control over is having kids. Have more children, and you guarantee that your nature will be propagated.

    Or focus on pop culture advocacy. Or pursue an intellectual career to formalize your political arguments.
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  169. @Mr. Anon
    Syonredux's Post ist kaum "Quatsch" gewesen. Er hat Wolfgang Pauli zitiert, und es ist vollstaendig geeignet.

    Lies es nochmal: Der erste Kommentar von Anonymous war total Quatsch.

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    Lies es nochmal: Der erste Kommentar von Anonymous war total Quatsch.
     
    Ja, ich weiss dass. Und der von Syonredux war es nicht.
    , @syonredux
    Perlen vor dem Schwein
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  170. @The Alarmist
    Lies es nochmal: Der erste Kommentar von Anonymous war total Quatsch.

    Lies es nochmal: Der erste Kommentar von Anonymous war total Quatsch.

    Ja, ich weiss dass. Und der von Syonredux war es nicht.

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  171. @Anonymous
    3,100 migrants died trying to cross the Med last year so it is very dangerous.

    Not nearly enough.

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    Looks like you are cheering on for 10,000 people to drown this year.
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  172. @The Alarmist
    Lies es nochmal: Der erste Kommentar von Anonymous war total Quatsch.

    Perlen vor dem Schwein

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    It's "Perlen vor die Säue" in German.
    Why are you guys starting to write German...weird!
    , @The Alarmist
    Danke für die Blumen.
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  173. @Lars Porsena
    There's something lacking in these threats. They may indeed make good on them but it will require something far more disruptive than what they are talking about.

    So they are finally becoming aware that Hungary will not allow them to punish Poland. Sadly for them they haven't seemed to make the leap to understanding their plans to punish Hungary for thwarting their attempt to punish Poland will be thwarted by.... Poland.

    And if some day they move past this impasse they will surely be surprised to discover that the Czech Republic and Slovakia are also Visegrad members.

    How dare the V4 go against the spirit of the European union project by mutually supporting each other! This is as bad as those homophobic Polish demonstrations a few months ago, Hitlerite in their vision of unbreakable Polish sovereignty!

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  174. @Boethiuss


    I don’t follow. In what way are people full of shit and what reality is being ignored?
     
    What really counts regarding immigration is the desire of the American people to assert its sovereignty and protect the human capital of its citizens. When push comes to shove, that's way more important than the wall or e-Verify or whatever.

    If we have the solidarity of Americans, for America, we'll find whatever policies we need to protect our borders and the interests of our citizens. More importantly, without it, we can have whatever policies we want, and they will simply be undercut by some other means we didn't anticipate.

    The typical of immigration restrictionist politics is to complain very loudly in the style of Ann Coulter. But like I pointed out above, the things she is trying to hold politicians' feet to the fire for are basically downstream of whats important anyway.

    Instead, the alt-right/populist Right/whatever, we have basically despaired of doing anything useful. Instead, we are just hoping for a moment of humiliation for our enemies. Eg, Trump can call Rosie O'Donnell a fat pig on national television, and we could give a shit if he signs a DACA deal with the Democrats, or the fact that his buffoonery makes everything he's associated with unpopular, ie, us.

    The typical of immigration restrictionist politics is to complain very loudly in the style of Ann Coulter. But like I pointed out above, the things she is trying to hold politicians’ feet to the fire for are basically downstream of whats important anyway.

    How is decreasing immigration “downstream” of what’s important. When a pipe bursts and the house is flooding, the first most important thing to do is turn off the water.

    “Instead, the alt-right/populist Right/whatever, we have basically despaired of doing anything useful. Instead, we are just hoping for a moment of humiliation for our enemies. Eg, Trump can call Rosie O’Donnell a fat pig on national television, and we could give a shit if he signs a DACA deal with the Democrats, or the fact that his buffoonery makes everything he’s associated with unpopular, ie, us.”

    The airwaves and internet are full of alt-right and populist people who have said that they expect Trump to uphold his promises on immigration if he wants to retain their support. Trump probably has the softest support by his most ardent supporters of any President in history. His support is almost entirely conditional. What you claimed is just wrong.

    In an earlier post you claimed that we here were “full of s**t”. “Full of s**t” seems to more aptly describe you.

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    How is decreasing immigration “downstream” of what’s important. When a pipe bursts and the house is flooding, the first most important thing to do is turn off the water.
     
    Because that's not our situation at the moment. Our situation is more like a couple of high-school sophomores talking about whether they'd rather have sex with Adriana Lima or Vida Guerra, and the glories that would ensue depending on which it was.

    The airwaves and internet are full of alt-right and populist people who have said that they expect Trump to uphold his promises on immigration if he wants to retain their support. Trump probably has the softest support by his most ardent supporters of any President in history. His support is almost entirely conditional. What you claimed is just wrong.
     
    There's some of those people involved, but they are not dominating the narrative, even on the Right. More importantly, for those who do exist, their threats are empty anyway.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

    President Trump and the Republicans who are increasingly associated with him, are taking on water in ten different places anyway. Even if somehow the alt-right were happy about this or that, that's not enough for Trump or the Republicans.

    There's a lot of fog around what President Trump's intentions actually are, regarding immigration and everything else. But, if things continue in the direction that they're going, they are going to matter less and less because his capabilities are going to be too weak to matter.
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  175. @syonredux
    Perlen vor dem Schwein

    It’s “Perlen vor die Säue” in German.
    Why are you guys starting to write German…weird!

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    It’s “Perlen vor die Säue” in German.
    Why are you guys starting to write German…weird!
     
    Thanks. My German is pretty rusty.

    As to why, I guess it's because I quoted Wolfgang Pauli in the original German. Things just spiraled out from there.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Why are you guys starting to write German…weird!
     
    Machen Sie sich keine sorgen. Wenn Sie schwierigkeiten haben unsere Posten zu verstehen, dann schreiben wir langsam.
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  176. @Opinionator
    But nobody believes us. And the reason nobody believes us, is because we’re full of shit. We get off on Donald Trump channeling John Wayne on Twitter, and then ignore the reality of what’s going on in the world.

    I don't follow. In what way are people full of shit and what reality is being ignored?

    I don’t follow. In what way are people full of shit and what reality is being ignored?

    Boethiuss is full of s**t.

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  177. @Boethiuss


    I don’t follow. In what way are people full of shit and what reality is being ignored?
     
    What really counts regarding immigration is the desire of the American people to assert its sovereignty and protect the human capital of its citizens. When push comes to shove, that's way more important than the wall or e-Verify or whatever.

    If we have the solidarity of Americans, for America, we'll find whatever policies we need to protect our borders and the interests of our citizens. More importantly, without it, we can have whatever policies we want, and they will simply be undercut by some other means we didn't anticipate.

    The typical of immigration restrictionist politics is to complain very loudly in the style of Ann Coulter. But like I pointed out above, the things she is trying to hold politicians' feet to the fire for are basically downstream of whats important anyway.

    Instead, the alt-right/populist Right/whatever, we have basically despaired of doing anything useful. Instead, we are just hoping for a moment of humiliation for our enemies. Eg, Trump can call Rosie O'Donnell a fat pig on national television, and we could give a shit if he signs a DACA deal with the Democrats, or the fact that his buffoonery makes everything he's associated with unpopular, ie, us.

    So are you saying I should have voted for Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton?

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    @Boethiuss

    So are you saying I should have voted for Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton?
     

    Yes, he is.

    Bare in mind, Boethiuss' namesake, the 5th century Boethiuss, voted for King Theodoric, who had him put to death. So perhaps his judgement isn't that good.

    , @Boethiuss

    So are you saying I should have voted for Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton?
     
    HRC definitely not. The whole point of the equation is to beat her. Jeb would have been a tough one, but luckily for us we had much better alternatives.
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  178. @Duke of Deploraville
    Massimo Heitor,

    I too wish that some "reasonable" or "moderate" solution would slow down massive African immigration/invasion of Europe enough for "other plans to form." But in an emergency, an oncoming 16-wheeler truck in your path, there is no time to evolve an amiable compromise. You take extreme measures or you won't survive.

    The idea that a new population can choose to physically enter a different nation and culture and automatically claim full voting rights and potentially be the new owners of that culture and civilization without any benefit or choice at all of the pre-existing population, is absurd.

    Absurd, yes, but once the new population overwhelmingly replaces the old, are they going to settle for being part of the scenery while patiently waiting several generations to absorb the host culture? Why should they even bother to adopt the alien values of indigenous Europeans? One claim common to conquerors in all times and places is "it's our country now."

    I too wish that some “reasonable” or “moderate” solution would slow down massive African immigration/invasion of Europe enough for “other plans to form.” But in an emergency, an oncoming 16-wheeler truck in your path, there is no time to evolve an amiable compromise. You take extreme measures or you won’t survive.

    The Serenity Prayer is relevant. Fix the problems that are within your power and don’t let the rest of the world drive you nuts.

    One thing regular people do have control over is having kids. Have more children, and you guarantee that your nature will be propagated.

    Or focus on pop culture advocacy. Or pursue an intellectual career to formalize your political arguments.

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  179. @Maj. Kong
    Africa wastes a large share of food in the production process. Western countries waste a surprising amount of food at the retail, restaurant and household level. African crop yields are below Western yields and African farmers don't have the education that First World farmers have.

    But there is a country called China that does know a lot about farming, and they are buying up land across Africa. The Chinese need a place to move the dirty industries, a source of cheap labor, and votes in the UN. And China doesn't want to invest in regional rival India.

    The British Empire waged the First World War in part to seize German East Afrika (Tanzania), to complete Cecil Rhodes' dream of the Cape-to-Cairo railway. The railway's lack of completion is one of our greatest tragedies. But the Chinese could finish the job, and put a railway network going East-West.

    We can dream the Chinese might even give the Afrikaners their own country.

    The railway’s lack of completion is one of our greatest tragedies.

    Huh?

    The slave trade–bring blacks to the New World? Sure. A railway?

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    http://www.un.org/africarenewal/magazine/april-2014/bumpy-roads-and-rails

    As a result, transport costs alone are 63% higher in Africa than in developed countries, hampering its competitiveness in the international and local markets.
    The AfDB further points out that transport costs represent between 30% and 50% of total export value in Africa. These costs are even higher in 16 landlocked countries, including Zimbabwe, South Sudan, Mali, and Niger, and constitute up to three-quarters of their total export value.
     
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  180. @syonredux
    Perlen vor dem Schwein

    Danke für die Blumen.

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    Ewige Blumenkraft
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  181. @Jack Hanson
    Indeed.

    Contemporary accounts from other divers in the Med are telling me that they are seeing a lot more large sharks moving into the area, possibly because of the invaders falling overboard.

    More sharks now!

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  182. @Jack Hanson
    Indeed.

    Contemporary accounts from other divers in the Med are telling me that they are seeing a lot more large sharks moving into the area, possibly because of the invaders falling overboard.

    “Contemporary accounts from other divers in the Med are telling me that they are seeing a lot more large sharks moving into the area, possibly because of the invaders falling overboard.”

    Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) famously gave a speech on the House floor years ago, claiming that slave traders threw so many black folk overboard to the sharks during the journey to the Americas that to this very day the sharks descendants patrol the waters waiting for more.

    What is perhaps a bit more amusing is reading discussion groups of folks considering this assertion:

    https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/sharks-and-the-slave-trade.656945/

    http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=86408

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  183. @Boethiuss


    I don’t follow. In what way are people full of shit and what reality is being ignored?
     
    What really counts regarding immigration is the desire of the American people to assert its sovereignty and protect the human capital of its citizens. When push comes to shove, that's way more important than the wall or e-Verify or whatever.

    If we have the solidarity of Americans, for America, we'll find whatever policies we need to protect our borders and the interests of our citizens. More importantly, without it, we can have whatever policies we want, and they will simply be undercut by some other means we didn't anticipate.

    The typical of immigration restrictionist politics is to complain very loudly in the style of Ann Coulter. But like I pointed out above, the things she is trying to hold politicians' feet to the fire for are basically downstream of whats important anyway.

    Instead, the alt-right/populist Right/whatever, we have basically despaired of doing anything useful. Instead, we are just hoping for a moment of humiliation for our enemies. Eg, Trump can call Rosie O'Donnell a fat pig on national television, and we could give a shit if he signs a DACA deal with the Democrats, or the fact that his buffoonery makes everything he's associated with unpopular, ie, us.

    What really counts regarding immigration is the desire of the American people to assert its sovereignty and protect the human capital of its citizens. When push comes to shove, that’s way more important than the wall or e-Verify or whatever.

    Public opinion is essentially irrelevant. Abortion, affirmative action, forced busing- a host of the actions that define our lives were formed with zero popular input.

    If we have the solidarity of Americans, for America, we’ll find whatever policies we need to protect our borders and the interests of our citizens. More importantly, without it, we can have whatever policies we want, and they will simply be undercut by some other means we didn’t anticipate.

    That is impossible in a democracy; they inevitably trends towards factionalism and disunity. If you want unity, you need autocracy. Now, I support that but arguing for the destruction of democracy is even less popular then racism.

    or the fact that his buffoonery makes everything he’s associated with unpopular, ie, us.

    Popularity is for women and shitlibs. It is not that caring about your image is wrong; it is that bending to submit to the will of the group is a sign of weakness.

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  184. @Anonymous
    There are something like 6 warships operating as part of the rescue operation so the presence of the EU isn't sufficient to ensure that every migrant on a rickety boat gets rescued. Maybe it cuts down the number of deaths in half.

    171,000 arrivals and 3,100 deaths in the Med. in 2017 according to the UN.

    So even with the EU and NGOs it's still a very dangerous crossing. That will keep the numbers at only around 200,000 annually. Some will go back, some will stay and bring immediate family. Still we are talking about minuscule numbers as a percentage of the EU population of 500 million.

    171,000 arrivals and 3,100 deaths in the Med. in 2017 according to the UN.

    So even with the EU and NGOs it’s still a very dangerous crossing. That will keep the numbers at only around 200,000 annually. Some will go back, some will stay and bring immediate family. Still we are talking about minuscule numbers as a percentage of the EU population of 500 million.

    Trying to be charitable here …

    The death rate here is < 2%. That's only "very dangerous" if you're talking about something you do repeatedly not a single life altering event. (My Irish great-grandparents came over on "Coffin Ships" with death rates that were an order of magnitude higher. Why? Because if you do it and live life is way better.)

    For comparison people in the US have traditionally had about a 1% chance of dying in an auto accident during their lifetime. 1%. Yet … everyone drives. Why? Simple quality of life.

    The difference for a typical African between life in Europe (in nations created and maintained by white people) and life in Africa (in nations run by their fellow Africans) is way, way, way greater than driving or not driving in the US.

    ~~~
    Fortunately there are other barriers in operation here. Foresight, planning-ahead (not African strong points); gathering the smuggler's fees; getting beaten, robbed, killed on the way; etc. If any of these black African nations was actually parked directly on the Mediterranean coast … it would be a tsunami of Africans. Your unpassable Mediterranean bottleneck or turnstile–with European rescue operating–would be rendered a complete joke.

    As African numbers ramp up and there are both more Africans and shittier conditions in Africa, crossings will soar unless Europeans switch from aiding Africans to impeding them.

    This is so obvious, i don't know what to say to someone babbling on just asserting the ridiculous contrary.

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    My hunch is that young African males see the Mediterranean crossing as an adventure that then entitles them to the women of Europe.
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  185. @Steve from Detroit
    And Michael Wolff is gone from the headlines...

    Excellent point. Trump has again used the mass media’s obsessions against them.

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  186. > Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU’s population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.

    The trouble with this is the population explosion in Africa. It seems likely that as the pressure from that explosion increases, so too will the number of crossings. War alone (large population bulges are great for creating large cohorts of unemployed young men, which in turn are great for starting wars) could totally change the dynamic and send millions pouring across the Med; nobody gives a shit about a few thousand per 200k drowning when tens of thousands per 200k are being killed or starved to death in war.

    Also, the small percentage of Africans will be concentrated in the nicest places to live. That’s great news for the not-so-nice places to live, but really bad news for the nice places to live.

    Then there’s the age cohort aspect, which others have mentioned several times; Western countries have very elongated age cohort structure; a small percentage of the overall population could be a very high percentage of their infant cohort, for example. It’s a great way to hide genocide in a “miniscule” number.

    171,000 arrivals and 3,100 deaths in the Med. in 2017 according to the UN.

    So even with the EU and NGOs it’s still a very dangerous crossing. That will keep the numbers at only around 200,000 annually.

    You keep saying that, but past performance is no guarantee of future performance. Any number of things happening in Africa (war, disaster, famine, genocide) could make the risks you refer to seem much more palatable. The African population explosion not only makes many of those things more likely, it also makes the consequences more disastrous for Africa and the rest of the world.

    People have been crossing the Mediterranean safely since ancient times. Of course if there are hundreds of people crammed into a leaky rubber raft or overloaded and worm eaten fishing boat then it is not so safe.

    You imply a good point; as the number of crossings increase, more thought and resources will be devoted to how to make them safer and more efficient; who’s to say some entrepreneur won’t come up with some great design or franchise (a new kind of inflatable boat, whatever) and make crossings far less risky?

    So even with the EU and NGOs it’s still a very dangerous crossing. That will keep the numbers at only around 200,000 annually. Some will go back, some will stay and bring immediate family. Still we are talking about minuscule numbers as a percentage of the EU population of 500 million.

    Personally, I’m in favor of pegging the West’s immigration policy vis-a-vis Blacks to Israel’s immigration policy vis-a-vis Blacks. That way, open-borders lunatics (a great many of whom are Jewish) don’t get the idea that Jews are somehow better than Westerners, with some God-given right to deny Black immigration that Westerners don’t have. Meaning, if Israel only lets in Black immigrants in numbers equal to 0.1% of their population in a year, then the West should let in no more. If Israel removes Blacks of foreign origin in numbers equal to 0.01% of their population, the West does the same. We can then forward all complaints about our policy to the gov’t of Israel.

    By your lights, Israeli policy toward Black immigration is unreasonable, yes? Yeah – I’d be forwarding your complaints to the gov’t of Israel.

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  187. More sharks now!

    Jaws did nothing wrong.

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  188. @AnotherDad

    The railway’s lack of completion is one of our greatest tragedies.
     
    Huh?

    The slave trade--bring blacks to the New World? Sure. A railway?

    http://www.un.org/africarenewal/magazine/april-2014/bumpy-roads-and-rails

    As a result, transport costs alone are 63% higher in Africa than in developed countries, hampering its competitiveness in the international and local markets.
    The AfDB further points out that transport costs represent between 30% and 50% of total export value in Africa. These costs are even higher in 16 landlocked countries, including Zimbabwe, South Sudan, Mali, and Niger, and constitute up to three-quarters of their total export value.

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  189. @Lex
    Another beauty:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/07/hungary-poland-had-enough-of-liberal-democracy-eu-must-act

    It’s ugly and on the rise; and it’s hard to see how it can end well. The global rise of conservative nationalism with the aim of creating “national communities” – directed by an unchallengeable leader to defend special national values, controlling borders against the virus of immigrants and “foreign” influence – is the menace of our times.
     

    How great it would be if Britain were in the thick of this fight – but we too are in the grip of an anti-Enlightenment populist right. Theresa May has to court the Polish government to support the cake-and-eat-it trade deal she is fatuously pursuing. We cannot join with France and Germany standing for the best of European values because we need Poland’s support. Brexit is revealed to have the same dark roots that succour Orbán. Labour – internationalist, pro-European and profoundly anti-racist – should find the courage to speak out, and insist that in times like these to leave the EU is folly.
     

    As the price of becoming Conservative Party Leader back in 2005, David Cameron had to promise to remove the Tories from the EPP group. The successor group, the ECR, is led by Poland’s PiS.

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  190. @Ali Choudhury
    Here is a great post by Anatoly K on why the nervous pearl-clutching on "The Most Important Graph In The World" is perhaps rather overblown. Africa will quite possibly adapt to the rise in population (twice as much arable land available than India for starters). You would probably have heard similar panic in 1950 if a time-traveller had let anyone know Asia's population was going to triple to 4.4 billion in 2010.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/afrotriumphalism/

    Read the whole thing as they say.

    He really deserves more page views then he gets, each post of his is quite considered.

    http://www.prosperity.com/globe/ethiopia

    His big case of African progress is Ethiopia. 134th in the world. It is bottom 5-10% in the world by eyeballing the graph. Wonderful. Just like Mozambique, the darling of the Peace Corps crowd a few years ago. I can’t for the life of me imagine why Karlin does not get as many page views as Sailer.

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    Ethiopia was a basket case when it had 40 million people. Now it has over 100 million. The obvious solution would be to bring those 100 million to Europe and America, where more negroes are desperately needed. Then Ethiopia can generate another 100 million, and the virtuous cycle can repeat.
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  191. @rogue-one
    These countries population, while being massive, has been stabilized. They posses reasonable degree of effective governance (nothing like the west, but also not like Niger either). Most importantly, they are geographically isolated. It's much harder to emigrate illegally from India. You can't just cross the Mediterranean.

    On the other hand, Africa has exceptionally poor governance, is right next to Europe, and can and will send armies of migrants to colonize Europe.

    You can’t just cross the Mediterranean.

    Right, Hindoos and Chinamen have to go to all the hassle of booking a flight and filing a few papers for their alphabet soup of visas as students, workers, student-workers, relatives of their invading predecessors, asylees…. Any look at demography in America and Europe probatively demonstrates these obstacles are indeed proving impossibly daunting, and so nary an Asian makes it in….

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  192. @Massimo Heitor
    I hate this type of post as it just hypes fear and problems rather than constructive solutions. Without a constructive solution to move forward with, what's the point of anything?

    My preferred solution:
    1. Tap brakes on immigration in the present. I don't think immigration limits can hold forever, but buying time for other plans time to form is very important.

    2. Form better compromise: At some moral level I agree with the pro freedom of migration side in terms of markets. If people choose to interact with each other, the ability of others to inhibit that should be restricted. However, freedom of migration is completely morally incompatible with the idea of majority rule democracy. Foreigners and the children of foreigners don't have any reasonable claim to full voting membership voting in any culture of their choosing. The idea that a new population can choose to physically enter a different nation and culture and automatically claim full voting rights and potentially be the new owners of that culture and civilization without any benefit or choice at all of the pre-existing population, is absurd. What's interesting, is the libertarians generally agree with me. They don't support our current model of majority rule democracy. And in some ways, mass immigration is supposed to undermine that.

    hate this type of post as it just hypes fear and problems rather than constructive solutions. Without a constructive solution to move forward with, what’s the point of anything?

    Huh? The “constructive solution” is straightforward, self-evident and traditional. You don’t let foreigners into your nation. Our side–or at least my side–has always had solutions, because the solutions are the ones that everyone has traditionally understood to be “normal”. What Steve is doing here is pointing out–yet another–gaping hole in this truly radical globalist vision that’s become the conventional wisdom of our elites.

    At some moral level I agree with the pro freedom of migration side in terms of markets. If people choose to interact with each other, the ability of others to inhibit that should be restricted. However, freedom of migration is completely morally incompatible with the idea of majority rule democracy.

    You’re dancing around, but not focusing strongly enough upon the key point–”choose”. There is no moral right to go where you are not wanted. There is an inherent moral right of any group of people to say “stay out”–we do not wish for you to be in our homes, our community, our nation.

    There is no honest “libertarian” case for open borders. Open borders is socialism. It’s a massive form of involuntary wealth transfer. It’s the demand that some people have a right to plop themselves down in a community or nation, and take advantage of the common goods–prosperity, rule-of-law, trust, good schools, low crime, parks, a clean environment, open space, low density, whatever–that other people have built. The iSteve worthy “market” analogy would be you and your buddies building a country club with a nice golf course, then non-members (or even members) demanding that we give memberships away.

    The open borders goon squads are demanding that *my* right to enjoy the good things that my ancestors have built, that i have built in my community and nation must be given to other people. It is a demand for theft.

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    Good points. Good post.
    , @RobRich
    "There is no honest “libertarian” case for open borders. "

    Then there is no honest case for the USA. The libertarians intend a world of rights, free trade, and free transit like the internal USA. For now they favor free non-citizenship track immigration by peaceful people who support the Bill of Rights. Clearly you don't, so go back to whatever US-hating sh*thole socialist country or village you or your ancestors came from.


    "Open borders is socialism. "

    That is a lie. Socialists like Bernie Sanders denounce open borders as 'libertarian extremism'. Socialism was all about closed borders like internal passports and the Iron Curtain. You sound like a commie on the same side as Sanders.


    "It’s a massive form of involuntary wealth transfer. It’s the demand that some people have a right to plop themselves down in a community or nation, and take advantage of the common goods–prosperity, rule-of-law, trust, good schools, low crime, parks, a clean environment, open space, low density, whatever–that other people have built. The iSteve worthy “market” analogy would be you and your buddies building a country club with a nice golf course, then non-members (or even members) demanding that we give memberships away."

    This is also a lie in that you're ripping off the libertarian critique while pretending it's anti-libertarian, a far- left tactic. Libertarians understand current government-managed immigration is really invasion meant to have these effects and destroy the US middle class.

    A lot of people will feel: get lost, Pinko.
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  193. Mostly OT:
    Here’s an idea:
    Harmeet Dhillon (James Damore’s lawyer):

    vs.
    Kamala Harris

    2022

    (Sorry 1488′ers… maybe it is my alt-right “Asian fetish” at work…)

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    Which one of Harmeet's eyes is glass? Going to guess the right one.

    That's a pretty weird fetish.

    Although I could tell you a joke about a hooker with a glass eye...

    , @CrunchyButRealistCon
    Err. Kamala hasn't aged well. Her winsome looks are fading fast, and will be well behind her by 2020. Trump Derangement Syndrome, and constantly manning the air pump to keep the Anti-White Hate Machine inflated is leaving bedraggled, droopy & wrinkly
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  194. @AnotherDad

    hate this type of post as it just hypes fear and problems rather than constructive solutions. Without a constructive solution to move forward with, what’s the point of anything?
     
    Huh? The "constructive solution" is straightforward, self-evident and traditional. You don't let foreigners into your nation. Our side--or at least my side--has always had solutions, because the solutions are the ones that everyone has traditionally understood to be "normal". What Steve is doing here is pointing out--yet another--gaping hole in this truly radical globalist vision that's become the conventional wisdom of our elites.

    At some moral level I agree with the pro freedom of migration side in terms of markets. If people choose to interact with each other, the ability of others to inhibit that should be restricted. However, freedom of migration is completely morally incompatible with the idea of majority rule democracy.
     
    You're dancing around, but not focusing strongly enough upon the key point--"choose". There is no moral right to go where you are not wanted. There is an inherent moral right of any group of people to say "stay out"--we do not wish for you to be in our homes, our community, our nation.

    There is no honest "libertarian" case for open borders. Open borders is socialism. It's a massive form of involuntary wealth transfer. It's the demand that some people have a right to plop themselves down in a community or nation, and take advantage of the common goods--prosperity, rule-of-law, trust, good schools, low crime, parks, a clean environment, open space, low density, whatever--that other people have built. The iSteve worthy "market" analogy would be you and your buddies building a country club with a nice golf course, then non-members (or even members) demanding that we give memberships away.

    The open borders goon squads are demanding that *my* right to enjoy the good things that my ancestors have built, that i have built in my community and nation must be given to other people. It is a demand for theft.

    Good points. Good post.

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  195. @Boethiuss


    I don’t follow. In what way are people full of shit and what reality is being ignored?
     
    What really counts regarding immigration is the desire of the American people to assert its sovereignty and protect the human capital of its citizens. When push comes to shove, that's way more important than the wall or e-Verify or whatever.

    If we have the solidarity of Americans, for America, we'll find whatever policies we need to protect our borders and the interests of our citizens. More importantly, without it, we can have whatever policies we want, and they will simply be undercut by some other means we didn't anticipate.

    The typical of immigration restrictionist politics is to complain very loudly in the style of Ann Coulter. But like I pointed out above, the things she is trying to hold politicians' feet to the fire for are basically downstream of whats important anyway.

    Instead, the alt-right/populist Right/whatever, we have basically despaired of doing anything useful. Instead, we are just hoping for a moment of humiliation for our enemies. Eg, Trump can call Rosie O'Donnell a fat pig on national television, and we could give a shit if he signs a DACA deal with the Democrats, or the fact that his buffoonery makes everything he's associated with unpopular, ie, us.

    You say “we” a lot but I think you should refrain from speaking for others. I don’t know anyone who thinks like you do and for the most benighted souls one need only to look at our mass media information/entertainment complex to find the source of their illness.

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  196. @stillCARealist
    I'm not sure that abortion has a long-term impact on the poorer population. A messed up woman gets an abortion and then realizes, "I just killed my baby!" so the next time she conceives she keeps it. then she realizes, "kids are expensive and difficult!" But she's wiser and older now, and the state is giving her money and advice. So she uses birth control and doesn't have more children. When I spoke to a couple of women at a Crisis Pregnancy Center in Oakland years ago, this is exactly what they told me. Women will deliberately have a baby to compensate for their abortion and then stop because it's tough being a single mom.

    Marriage, of course, hardly ever figures into the plans of poor women. Unfortunately.

    Oh God, I have my palm on my forehead as I read your post because it’s all so familiar. I’ve encountered exactly this story with uncounted women. This felt like a 12-step group meeting for a moment. I wonder why there aren’t 12-step groups for these women.

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    The bottom line is that abortion is not going to be completely outlawed. It probably will be restricted though.

    If prolifers seriously wanted it stopped, they would campaign for a total ban along with sterilization of those who are provably stupid and irresponsible such that they shouldn't have kids anyway. When they do this I'll take then seriously.
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  197. @Anonymous
    3,100 migrants died trying to cross the Med last year so it is very dangerous.

    As a proportion of those who attempt it, it’s relatively minor.

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  198. @Anonym
    http://www.prosperity.com/globe/ethiopia

    His big case of African progress is Ethiopia. 134th in the world. It is bottom 5-10% in the world by eyeballing the graph. Wonderful. Just like Mozambique, the darling of the Peace Corps crowd a few years ago. I can't for the life of me imagine why Karlin does not get as many page views as Sailer.

    Ethiopia was a basket case when it had 40 million people. Now it has over 100 million. The obvious solution would be to bring those 100 million to Europe and America, where more negroes are desperately needed. Then Ethiopia can generate another 100 million, and the virtuous cycle can repeat.

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  199. @Big Bill
    And crossing the Atlantic was even more dangerous. That's why the Indians in America had nothing whatsoever to fear from the tiny handful of English Puritans who started arriving in the early 1600s.

    Killer Comment!!!!

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  200. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Oh God, I have my palm on my forehead as I read your post because it's all so familiar. I've encountered exactly this story with uncounted women. This felt like a 12-step group meeting for a moment. I wonder why there aren't 12-step groups for these women.

    The bottom line is that abortion is not going to be completely outlawed. It probably will be restricted though.

    If prolifers seriously wanted it stopped, they would campaign for a total ban along with sterilization of those who are provably stupid and irresponsible such that they shouldn’t have kids anyway. When they do this I’ll take then seriously.

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    I agree abortion will probably never be outlawed, but sterilization of the unfit ain't gonna happen either.

    As a "pro-lifer" I'd like to see a general consensus that unmarried childbearing is foolish and wicked, instead of just a personal choice. That way we can more easily encourage young people to behave themselves and not create this awful decision in the first place.

    Also, shame and guilt have their legitimate place in the human experience. I think the outing of sexual predators in Hollywood and media is a good step in the direction of shaming those who are guilty, even if the greedy women who benefit from it don't understand what they're unleashing.
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  201. @German_reader
    It's "Perlen vor die Säue" in German.
    Why are you guys starting to write German...weird!

    It’s “Perlen vor die Säue” in German.
    Why are you guys starting to write German…weird!

    Thanks. My German is pretty rusty.

    As to why, I guess it’s because I quoted Wolfgang Pauli in the original German. Things just spiraled out from there.

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    As to why, I guess it’s because I quoted Wolfgang Pauli in the original German. Things just spiraled out from there.
     
    Genau.
    , @The Alarmist
    My bad ... nothing personal.
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  202. @Massimo Heitor
    I hate this type of post as it just hypes fear and problems rather than constructive solutions. Without a constructive solution to move forward with, what's the point of anything?

    My preferred solution:
    1. Tap brakes on immigration in the present. I don't think immigration limits can hold forever, but buying time for other plans time to form is very important.

    2. Form better compromise: At some moral level I agree with the pro freedom of migration side in terms of markets. If people choose to interact with each other, the ability of others to inhibit that should be restricted. However, freedom of migration is completely morally incompatible with the idea of majority rule democracy. Foreigners and the children of foreigners don't have any reasonable claim to full voting membership voting in any culture of their choosing. The idea that a new population can choose to physically enter a different nation and culture and automatically claim full voting rights and potentially be the new owners of that culture and civilization without any benefit or choice at all of the pre-existing population, is absurd. What's interesting, is the libertarians generally agree with me. They don't support our current model of majority rule democracy. And in some ways, mass immigration is supposed to undermine that.

    As a start, the EU must go.

    I am emphatic on that point.

    It’s either the EU or a ‘white’ Europe.

    One or the other.

    Both cannot coexist.

    The British people have realised this.

    Perhaps, just perhaps, other Europeans will realise it too.

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  203. @syonredux

    It’s “Perlen vor die Säue” in German.
    Why are you guys starting to write German…weird!
     
    Thanks. My German is pretty rusty.

    As to why, I guess it's because I quoted Wolfgang Pauli in the original German. Things just spiraled out from there.

    As to why, I guess it’s because I quoted Wolfgang Pauli in the original German. Things just spiraled out from there.

    Genau.

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  204. @Lars Porsena
    So are you saying I should have voted for Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton?

    So are you saying I should have voted for Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton?

    Yes, he is.

    Bare in mind, Boethiuss’ namesake, the 5th century Boethiuss, voted for King Theodoric, who had him put to death. So perhaps his judgement isn’t that good.

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  205. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    I doubt Europe will ever have a significant sub-Saharan black population. As long as Europe continues to welcome mass numbers of Afghans, Syrians, and Turks, then those populations will eventually push for a stop to black immigration and make life very unpleasant for blacks already in Europe. The irony of mass immigration is that Western Europe is now importing large numbers of people who are far more comfortable being racist than right-wing white Europeans are.

    You miss out *the* three vital drivers of third world immigration into Europe.

    1/. The Left. Basically, in its modern incarnation at least, institutionally anti-white. Perhaps exceedingly foolish in terms of policies, but very very cunning. Knows full well that the path to permanent political power – and thus implementing Marx – is by importing as much of the third world as possible, as fast as possible.

    2/. The Economist Magazine. Unspeakable, evil, stupid fools. But stupid fools puffed up by arrogance and ENORMOUS influence. If you want to know what the Deep State is thinking – and more crucially a not very intelligent politician on the make (most of them) – read The Economist. True to form, and true to its unfathomable evil and stupidity, The Economist wants massive uncontrolled third world immigration. So, massive uncontrolled third world immigration is what Europe, assuredly, will get.
    That it plays into the hands of (1) above, The Economist’s supposed mortal enemy, (actually white people and not the left are The Economist’s enemies), doesn’t seem to register with them. Which is typical if their arrogance and stupidity.

    3/. The EU.
    A dictatorship, a real true autocratic undemocratic unaccountable unrepresentative elitist dictatorship for you. Forget Mussolini, Hitler, Amin etc, here’s the real deal, but in Juncker’s sheep-like clothing. Run by institutionally anti-whit arrogant wooden-headed fools. As long as the EU exists, exponentially increasing mass third world immigration will continue.

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    The Rothschilds and Agnellis own the Economist. I knew there had to be some paranormal level of evil behind it, but never investigated. Now I understand.
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  206. @German_reader
    It's "Perlen vor die Säue" in German.
    Why are you guys starting to write German...weird!

    Why are you guys starting to write German…weird!

    Machen Sie sich keine sorgen. Wenn Sie schwierigkeiten haben unsere Posten zu verstehen, dann schreiben wir langsam.

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    No, I understand perfectly, it's pretty amusing actually. You're also pretty good at it on the whole (or google translate has become really good), das freut mich!
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  207. @Anonymous
    3,100 migrants died trying to cross the Med last year so it is very dangerous.

    3,100 migrants died trying to cross the Med last year so it is very dangerous.

    There are lots more where they came from.

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  208. @Mr. Anon

    Why are you guys starting to write German…weird!
     
    Machen Sie sich keine sorgen. Wenn Sie schwierigkeiten haben unsere Posten zu verstehen, dann schreiben wir langsam.

    No, I understand perfectly, it’s pretty amusing actually. You’re also pretty good at it on the whole (or google translate has become really good), das freut mich!

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    My german used to be pretty good, however it's gotten rusty. Google translate helps fill in the gaps.

    Gruesse aus Amerika, und Schoenen Tag!
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  209. @AnotherDad

    hate this type of post as it just hypes fear and problems rather than constructive solutions. Without a constructive solution to move forward with, what’s the point of anything?
     
    Huh? The "constructive solution" is straightforward, self-evident and traditional. You don't let foreigners into your nation. Our side--or at least my side--has always had solutions, because the solutions are the ones that everyone has traditionally understood to be "normal". What Steve is doing here is pointing out--yet another--gaping hole in this truly radical globalist vision that's become the conventional wisdom of our elites.

    At some moral level I agree with the pro freedom of migration side in terms of markets. If people choose to interact with each other, the ability of others to inhibit that should be restricted. However, freedom of migration is completely morally incompatible with the idea of majority rule democracy.
     
    You're dancing around, but not focusing strongly enough upon the key point--"choose". There is no moral right to go where you are not wanted. There is an inherent moral right of any group of people to say "stay out"--we do not wish for you to be in our homes, our community, our nation.

    There is no honest "libertarian" case for open borders. Open borders is socialism. It's a massive form of involuntary wealth transfer. It's the demand that some people have a right to plop themselves down in a community or nation, and take advantage of the common goods--prosperity, rule-of-law, trust, good schools, low crime, parks, a clean environment, open space, low density, whatever--that other people have built. The iSteve worthy "market" analogy would be you and your buddies building a country club with a nice golf course, then non-members (or even members) demanding that we give memberships away.

    The open borders goon squads are demanding that *my* right to enjoy the good things that my ancestors have built, that i have built in my community and nation must be given to other people. It is a demand for theft.

    “There is no honest “libertarian” case for open borders. ”

    Then there is no honest case for the USA. The libertarians intend a world of rights, free trade, and free transit like the internal USA. For now they favor free non-citizenship track immigration by peaceful people who support the Bill of Rights. Clearly you don’t, so go back to whatever US-hating sh*thole socialist country or village you or your ancestors came from.

    “Open borders is socialism. ”

    That is a lie. Socialists like Bernie Sanders denounce open borders as ‘libertarian extremism’. Socialism was all about closed borders like internal passports and the Iron Curtain. You sound like a commie on the same side as Sanders.

    “It’s a massive form of involuntary wealth transfer. It’s the demand that some people have a right to plop themselves down in a community or nation, and take advantage of the common goods–prosperity, rule-of-law, trust, good schools, low crime, parks, a clean environment, open space, low density, whatever–that other people have built. The iSteve worthy “market” analogy would be you and your buddies building a country club with a nice golf course, then non-members (or even members) demanding that we give memberships away.”

    This is also a lie in that you’re ripping off the libertarian critique while pretending it’s anti-libertarian, a far- left tactic. Libertarians understand current government-managed immigration is really invasion meant to have these effects and destroy the US middle class.

    A lot of people will feel: get lost, Pinko.

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    >>>>"The libertarians intend a world of rights, free trade, and free transit like the internal USA. FOR NOW* they favor free non-citizenship track immigration by peaceful people who support the Bill of Rights."

    They intend a world. One world. One world operating according to an egalitarian ideology. The State shall wither away, comrades!

    Sounds Pinko to me.

    * Emphasis added.

    , @Mr. Anon

    A lot of people will feel: get lost, Pinko.
     
    I would prefer that you get lost. Libertarians are fools. Your ideal society is as incompatible with actual human nature as is communism. Your libertarian utopia wouldn't last a year.
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  210. @Daniel Chieh
    That Haiti is a shithole does not seems to be even arguable.

    Got that right. Unarguably a shithole before and after the last earthquake and then the Clintons made it worse.

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  211. @AnotherDad

    171,000 arrivals and 3,100 deaths in the Med. in 2017 according to the UN.

    So even with the EU and NGOs it’s still a very dangerous crossing. That will keep the numbers at only around 200,000 annually. Some will go back, some will stay and bring immediate family. Still we are talking about minuscule numbers as a percentage of the EU population of 500 million.
     
    Trying to be charitable here ...

    The death rate here is < 2%. That's only "very dangerous" if you're talking about something you do repeatedly not a single life altering event. (My Irish great-grandparents came over on "Coffin Ships" with death rates that were an order of magnitude higher. Why? Because if you do it and live life is way better.)

    For comparison people in the US have traditionally had about a 1% chance of dying in an auto accident during their lifetime. 1%. Yet ... everyone drives. Why? Simple quality of life.

    The difference for a typical African between life in Europe (in nations created and maintained by white people) and life in Africa (in nations run by their fellow Africans) is way, way, way greater than driving or not driving in the US.

    ~~~
    Fortunately there are other barriers in operation here. Foresight, planning-ahead (not African strong points); gathering the smuggler's fees; getting beaten, robbed, killed on the way; etc. If any of these black African nations was actually parked directly on the Mediterranean coast ... it would be a tsunami of Africans. Your unpassable Mediterranean bottleneck or turnstile--with European rescue operating--would be rendered a complete joke.

    As African numbers ramp up and there are both more Africans and shittier conditions in Africa, crossings will soar unless Europeans switch from aiding Africans to impeding them.

    This is so obvious, i don't know what to say to someone babbling on just asserting the ridiculous contrary.

    My hunch is that young African males see the Mediterranean crossing as an adventure that then entitles them to the women of Europe.

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    I think you are looking at this "adventure" from a first world perspective. The people making the crossing are third worlders and not from affluent backgrounds. They don't view the journey as some adventure because their lives are already vivid enough to not need to go find adventure.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvVRPqTy0Rg

    This BBC video gives a good sense of what those African guys are thinking. It doesn't look like an adventure, no adrenaline just risky drudgery.
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  212. Popularity is for women and shitlibs. It is not that caring about your image is wrong; it is that bending to submit to the will of the group is a sign of weakness.

    Bullshit it is. It’s not a sign of weakness, it’s a sign of reality. And we’ve lost our grip on it. The American people know damn well we’re not remotely strong enough to take the high-hand attitude we try to pull off. They see that, they see that we’re full of shit, and then They Don’t Believe Us when we try to talk about things like the World’s Most Important Graph.

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  213. @Mr. Anon

    The typical of immigration restrictionist politics is to complain very loudly in the style of Ann Coulter. But like I pointed out above, the things she is trying to hold politicians’ feet to the fire for are basically downstream of whats important anyway.
     
    How is decreasing immigration "downstream" of what's important. When a pipe bursts and the house is flooding, the first most important thing to do is turn off the water.

    "Instead, the alt-right/populist Right/whatever, we have basically despaired of doing anything useful. Instead, we are just hoping for a moment of humiliation for our enemies. Eg, Trump can call Rosie O’Donnell a fat pig on national television, and we could give a shit if he signs a DACA deal with the Democrats, or the fact that his buffoonery makes everything he’s associated with unpopular, ie, us."

    The airwaves and internet are full of alt-right and populist people who have said that they expect Trump to uphold his promises on immigration if he wants to retain their support. Trump probably has the softest support by his most ardent supporters of any President in history. His support is almost entirely conditional. What you claimed is just wrong.

    In an earlier post you claimed that we here were "full of s**t". "Full of s**t" seems to more aptly describe you.

    How is decreasing immigration “downstream” of what’s important. When a pipe bursts and the house is flooding, the first most important thing to do is turn off the water.

    Because that’s not our situation at the moment. Our situation is more like a couple of high-school sophomores talking about whether they’d rather have sex with Adriana Lima or Vida Guerra, and the glories that would ensue depending on which it was.

    The airwaves and internet are full of alt-right and populist people who have said that they expect Trump to uphold his promises on immigration if he wants to retain their support. Trump probably has the softest support by his most ardent supporters of any President in history. His support is almost entirely conditional. What you claimed is just wrong.

    There’s some of those people involved, but they are not dominating the narrative, even on the Right. More importantly, for those who do exist, their threats are empty anyway.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

    President Trump and the Republicans who are increasingly associated with him, are taking on water in ten different places anyway. Even if somehow the alt-right were happy about this or that, that’s not enough for Trump or the Republicans.

    There’s a lot of fog around what President Trump’s intentions actually are, regarding immigration and everything else. But, if things continue in the direction that they’re going, they are going to matter less and less because his capabilities are going to be too weak to matter.

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  214. @Lex
    Another beauty:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/07/hungary-poland-had-enough-of-liberal-democracy-eu-must-act

    It’s ugly and on the rise; and it’s hard to see how it can end well. The global rise of conservative nationalism with the aim of creating “national communities” – directed by an unchallengeable leader to defend special national values, controlling borders against the virus of immigrants and “foreign” influence – is the menace of our times.
     

    How great it would be if Britain were in the thick of this fight – but we too are in the grip of an anti-Enlightenment populist right. Theresa May has to court the Polish government to support the cake-and-eat-it trade deal she is fatuously pursuing. We cannot join with France and Germany standing for the best of European values because we need Poland’s support. Brexit is revealed to have the same dark roots that succour Orbán. Labour – internationalist, pro-European and profoundly anti-racist – should find the courage to speak out, and insist that in times like these to leave the EU is folly.
     

    >>>>”[Border enforcement] is the recipe for domestic repression, crony capitalism, massive corruption, implosion of the rule of law, the rise of racism and international conflict. The values that underpinned the postwar liberal order that conferred peace, tolerance and prosperity are being torched before our eyes.”

    This is a Big Lie. It is the “postwar liberal order”–i.e., globalism–that has instituted those evils, arguably intentionally (to make money for, and advance the ethnic interests of, international oligarchs).

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  215. @Lars Porsena
    So are you saying I should have voted for Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton?

    So are you saying I should have voted for Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton?

    HRC definitely not. The whole point of the equation is to beat her. Jeb would have been a tough one, but luckily for us we had much better alternatives.

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  216. @RobRich
    "There is no honest “libertarian” case for open borders. "

    Then there is no honest case for the USA. The libertarians intend a world of rights, free trade, and free transit like the internal USA. For now they favor free non-citizenship track immigration by peaceful people who support the Bill of Rights. Clearly you don't, so go back to whatever US-hating sh*thole socialist country or village you or your ancestors came from.


    "Open borders is socialism. "

    That is a lie. Socialists like Bernie Sanders denounce open borders as 'libertarian extremism'. Socialism was all about closed borders like internal passports and the Iron Curtain. You sound like a commie on the same side as Sanders.


    "It’s a massive form of involuntary wealth transfer. It’s the demand that some people have a right to plop themselves down in a community or nation, and take advantage of the common goods–prosperity, rule-of-law, trust, good schools, low crime, parks, a clean environment, open space, low density, whatever–that other people have built. The iSteve worthy “market” analogy would be you and your buddies building a country club with a nice golf course, then non-members (or even members) demanding that we give memberships away."

    This is also a lie in that you're ripping off the libertarian critique while pretending it's anti-libertarian, a far- left tactic. Libertarians understand current government-managed immigration is really invasion meant to have these effects and destroy the US middle class.

    A lot of people will feel: get lost, Pinko.

    >>>>”The libertarians intend a world of rights, free trade, and free transit like the internal USA. FOR NOW* they favor free non-citizenship track immigration by peaceful people who support the Bill of Rights.”

    They intend a world. One world. One world operating according to an egalitarian ideology. The State shall wither away, comrades!

    Sounds Pinko to me.

    * Emphasis added.

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  217. @Almost Missouri
    Do you think there is a turnstile in North Africa that only allows 200,000 people per year through?

    “There is no turnstile.”

    “Don’t you think I know that? There was, but not anymore!”

    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Doomsday_Machine_(episode)

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  218. @Anonymous
    You miss out *the* three vital drivers of third world immigration into Europe.

    1/. The Left. Basically, in its modern incarnation at least, institutionally anti-white. Perhaps exceedingly foolish in terms of policies, but very very cunning. Knows full well that the path to permanent political power - and thus implementing Marx - is by importing as much of the third world as possible, as fast as possible.

    2/. The Economist Magazine. Unspeakable, evil, stupid fools. But stupid fools puffed up by arrogance and ENORMOUS influence. If you want to know what the Deep State is thinking - and more crucially a not very intelligent politician on the make (most of them) - read The Economist. True to form, and true to its unfathomable evil and stupidity, The Economist wants massive uncontrolled third world immigration. So, massive uncontrolled third world immigration is what Europe, assuredly, will get.
    That it plays into the hands of (1) above, The Economist's supposed mortal enemy, (actually white people and not the left are The Economist's enemies), doesn't seem to register with them. Which is typical if their arrogance and stupidity.

    3/. The EU.
    A dictatorship, a real true autocratic undemocratic unaccountable unrepresentative elitist dictatorship for you. Forget Mussolini, Hitler, Amin etc, here's the real deal, but in Juncker's sheep-like clothing. Run by institutionally anti-whit arrogant wooden-headed fools. As long as the EU exists, exponentially increasing mass third world immigration will continue.

    The Rothschilds and Agnellis own the Economist. I knew there had to be some paranormal level of evil behind it, but never investigated. Now I understand.

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  219. @Anonymous
    The bottom line is that abortion is not going to be completely outlawed. It probably will be restricted though.

    If prolifers seriously wanted it stopped, they would campaign for a total ban along with sterilization of those who are provably stupid and irresponsible such that they shouldn't have kids anyway. When they do this I'll take then seriously.

    I agree abortion will probably never be outlawed, but sterilization of the unfit ain’t gonna happen either.

    As a “pro-lifer” I’d like to see a general consensus that unmarried childbearing is foolish and wicked, instead of just a personal choice. That way we can more easily encourage young people to behave themselves and not create this awful decision in the first place.

    Also, shame and guilt have their legitimate place in the human experience. I think the outing of sexual predators in Hollywood and media is a good step in the direction of shaming those who are guilty, even if the greedy women who benefit from it don’t understand what they’re unleashing.

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  220. @syonredux
    Just look at this list of people who were murdered in London in 2017....such vibrancy!


    Djodjo Nsaka, 19, stabbed, Wembley, January 20

    Quamari Serunkuma-Barnes, 15, stabbed, Willesden, January 23

    David Adegbite, 19, shooting, St Ann's, March 19

    Abdifatah Sheikhey, 19, shooting, Illford, March 21

    Karim Samms, 16, shooting, Rotherhithe, April 7

    Abdullahi Tarabi, 19, stabbed, Northolt, April 11

    Jordon Wright, 19, stabbed, Blackheath, April 19

    Mahamed Hassan, 17, stabbed, Battersea, April 23

    Elijah Dornelly, 17, stabbed, Walthamstow, May 7

    Joao Ricardo Gomes, 18, stabbed, Enfield, May 13

    Abdirahman Mohamed, 17, stabbed, Peckham, June 2

    Osman Sharif, 16, stabbed, Tottenham, June 6

    Mahad Ali, 18, stabbed, Ealing, June 29

    Joshua Bwalya, 16, stabbed, Barking, August 2

    Soban Khan, 18, multiple injuries, Enfield, August 5

    Daniel Namanga, 19, stabbed, Southwark, August 8

    Jermaine Goupall, 15, stabbed, Croydon, August 8

    Abdul Mayanja, 19, shooting, Newham, August 25

    Corey Junior Davis, 14, shooting, Newham, September 4

    Saif Abdul Magid, 18, stabbing, Neasden, October 6

    Aren Mali, 17, stabbing, Croydon, October 29

    Michael Jonas, 17, stabbing, Bromley, November 2

    Kacem Mokrane, 18, stabbing, Walthamstow, died November 20

    Jason Isaacs, 18, stabbing, Northolt, died November 21


    https://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/west-london-news/london-youth-violence-names-24-14091957

    That’s why they have to import more every year, to keep up with the losses.

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  221. @J.Ross
    Not nearly enough.

    Looks like you are cheering on for 10,000 people to drown this year.

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    How many will drown if they stay out of the water?
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  222. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    My hunch is that young African males see the Mediterranean crossing as an adventure that then entitles them to the women of Europe.

    I think you are looking at this “adventure” from a first world perspective. The people making the crossing are third worlders and not from affluent backgrounds. They don’t view the journey as some adventure because their lives are already vivid enough to not need to go find adventure.

    This BBC video gives a good sense of what those African guys are thinking. It doesn’t look like an adventure, no adrenaline just risky drudgery.

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    To conquer , loot and take what you want by force is always an adventure , if you survive .
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  223. @The Alarmist
    Danke für die Blumen.

    Ewige Blumenkraft

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  224. @RobRich
    "There is no honest “libertarian” case for open borders. "

    Then there is no honest case for the USA. The libertarians intend a world of rights, free trade, and free transit like the internal USA. For now they favor free non-citizenship track immigration by peaceful people who support the Bill of Rights. Clearly you don't, so go back to whatever US-hating sh*thole socialist country or village you or your ancestors came from.


    "Open borders is socialism. "

    That is a lie. Socialists like Bernie Sanders denounce open borders as 'libertarian extremism'. Socialism was all about closed borders like internal passports and the Iron Curtain. You sound like a commie on the same side as Sanders.


    "It’s a massive form of involuntary wealth transfer. It’s the demand that some people have a right to plop themselves down in a community or nation, and take advantage of the common goods–prosperity, rule-of-law, trust, good schools, low crime, parks, a clean environment, open space, low density, whatever–that other people have built. The iSteve worthy “market” analogy would be you and your buddies building a country club with a nice golf course, then non-members (or even members) demanding that we give memberships away."

    This is also a lie in that you're ripping off the libertarian critique while pretending it's anti-libertarian, a far- left tactic. Libertarians understand current government-managed immigration is really invasion meant to have these effects and destroy the US middle class.

    A lot of people will feel: get lost, Pinko.

    A lot of people will feel: get lost, Pinko.

    I would prefer that you get lost. Libertarians are fools. Your ideal society is as incompatible with actual human nature as is communism. Your libertarian utopia wouldn’t last a year.

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  225. @German_reader
    No, I understand perfectly, it's pretty amusing actually. You're also pretty good at it on the whole (or google translate has become really good), das freut mich!

    My german used to be pretty good, however it’s gotten rusty. Google translate helps fill in the gaps.

    Gruesse aus Amerika, und Schoenen Tag!

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  226. @Anonymous
    Mostly OT:
    Here's an idea:
    Harmeet Dhillon (James Damore's lawyer):
    https://www.dhillonlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/harmeet-dhillon.jpg
    vs.
    Kamala Harris
    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/877233930046504961/B0UoxZlN.jpg

    2022

    (Sorry 1488'ers... maybe it is my alt-right "Asian fetish" at work...)

    Which one of Harmeet’s eyes is glass? Going to guess the right one.

    That’s a pretty weird fetish.

    Although I could tell you a joke about a hooker with a glass eye…

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  227. @Mr. Anon

    Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year.
     
    An exponential function is defined by the relation df/dt = a * f

    As the number goes up, the rate goes up. Same applies to the number who will cross the Med.

    You are very wrong.

    The “Crossing the Mediterranean is Dangerous” fella is using the same line of mau mau’ing that Julian Simon, Ben Wattenberg & Frank Sharry use…..i.e., don’t worry about it, don’t be such a scaremonger, xenophobe, just lay back and let events unfold.
    It is a disingenuous gambit as they know full well, that they *WANT* European & western natives displaced, replaced to better soothe their own ethnocentric feelz & agenda.

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  228. @Anonymous
    Mostly OT:
    Here's an idea:
    Harmeet Dhillon (James Damore's lawyer):
    https://www.dhillonlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/harmeet-dhillon.jpg
    vs.
    Kamala Harris
    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/877233930046504961/B0UoxZlN.jpg

    2022

    (Sorry 1488'ers... maybe it is my alt-right "Asian fetish" at work...)

    Err. Kamala hasn’t aged well. Her winsome looks are fading fast, and will be well behind her by 2020. Trump Derangement Syndrome, and constantly manning the air pump to keep the Anti-White Hate Machine inflated is leaving bedraggled, droopy & wrinkly

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  229. @Anonymous
    Crossing the Mediterranean is dangerous. That is why only 200,000 Africans do it every year. At that pace it will take 25 years before the EU (500 million people) receives enough African migrants to hit 1% of the EU's population. The most important graph is just scaremongering.

    1. Assume they won’t apply to bring in wives, girlfriends, children and other relatives.

    2. Assume they won’t breed any faster than the native populations of those countries, some of whose populations are actually shrinking.

    3. Assume they will be evenly distributed across Europe, rather than specific countries.

    Just a few of the many mistakes you make. Would you bet your country on an irreversible experiment such as this, with populations that haven’t shown themselves to be the world’s, ih, most civilized or productive?

    200,000 people – and those are just the immigrants coming by boats, not in all the other ways – is quite a lot. It’s adding a new city every year. Even in a “country” of 500 million people that’s quite a lot.

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    1. Assume some go back or are sent back
    2. Assume by the 2nd generation fertility rates drastically decline
    3. Assume EU mandates all member states take in their share
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  230. @Anonymous
    Looks like you are cheering on for 10,000 people to drown this year.

    How many will drown if they stay out of the water?

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    The point you were making is that if they did try to cross the Mediterranean, you hope they drown.
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  231. @syonredux

    It’s “Perlen vor die Säue” in German.
    Why are you guys starting to write German…weird!
     
    Thanks. My German is pretty rusty.

    As to why, I guess it's because I quoted Wolfgang Pauli in the original German. Things just spiraled out from there.

    My bad … nothing personal.

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  232. To update Leon Wieseltier: “There is not a graph in the world that will explain the place of graphs in the world – eek, except maybe this one!”

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  233. @JollyOldSoul
    1. Assume they won't apply to bring in wives, girlfriends, children and other relatives.

    2. Assume they won't breed any faster than the native populations of those countries, some of whose populations are actually shrinking.

    3. Assume they will be evenly distributed across Europe, rather than specific countries.

    Just a few of the many mistakes you make. Would you bet your country on an irreversible experiment such as this, with populations that haven't shown themselves to be the world's, ih, most civilized or productive?

    200,000 people - and those are just the immigrants coming by boats, not in all the other ways - is quite a lot. It's adding a new city every year. Even in a "country" of 500 million people that's quite a lot.

    1. Assume some go back or are sent back
    2. Assume by the 2nd generation fertility rates drastically decline
    3. Assume EU mandates all member states take in their share

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    Sorry, but what is 'fair' about foisting mass populations of undesirable, unwelcome, unwanted profoundly alien peoples upon nations whose citizens never wanted them, never asked for them and are unhappy about that foisting?

    I don't know about your own personal 'moral calculus', but to me, this 'fair' foisting seems to be the moral equivalent of theft, robbery, burglary, rape, 1st degree murder etc etc.

    The distinguishing character of all of those crimes is that the victim never wanted and never consented to the injury inflicted upon him.
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  234. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    1. Assume some go back or are sent back
    2. Assume by the 2nd generation fertility rates drastically decline
    3. Assume EU mandates all member states take in their share

    Sorry, but what is ‘fair’ about foisting mass populations of undesirable, unwelcome, unwanted profoundly alien peoples upon nations whose citizens never wanted them, never asked for them and are unhappy about that foisting?

    I don’t know about your own personal ‘moral calculus’, but to me, this ‘fair’ foisting seems to be the moral equivalent of theft, robbery, burglary, rape, 1st degree murder etc etc.

    The distinguishing character of all of those crimes is that the victim never wanted and never consented to the injury inflicted upon him.

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  235. @J.Ross
    How many will drown if they stay out of the water?

    The point you were making is that if they did try to cross the Mediterranean, you hope they drown.

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    They voluntarily chose to put themselves in a perilous position.
    No one forced them.
    If a burglar dies after falling from a window-ledge, then he only has himself to blame.

    African problems need African solutions.
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  236. @BB753
    I agree. The slow but steady africanization of Europe has been a tragedy. Now that the floodgates are open, disaster looms in a generation. Importing a permanent criminal and unemployed underclass isn't sustainable.

    Granted, it hasn’t worked in the past. But this time, for sure.

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  237. @Boethiuss
    I'm as big a fan as any of our gracious host, but this is bullshit. The problem with immigration is us, the immigration patriots, the alt-right, the populist/nationalist Right, whoever "us" is supposed to be. We say a few words like human biodiversity, demographic replacement, immivasion, etc, etc, blah, blah, and convince ourselves that we're right.

    But nobody believes us. And the reason nobody believes us, is because we're full of shit. We get off on Donald Trump channeling John Wayne on Twitter, and then ignore the reality of what's going on in the world.

    Maybe if we internalized this chart

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

    more and the World's Most Important Graph less, we'd be better off.

    I used to think the problem with immigration was the multicultural hostility of The Other side, combined with the Chamber of Commerce and its willingness to sell our adversaries the rope they'd hang us with. And those are real problems, no doubt. But in terms of moving the ball on immigration, the problem is us.

    People have already forgotten the biggest revelation of the 2016 election – that the purpose of polls is to influence public opinion not reflect it.

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    People have already forgotten the biggest revelation of the 2016 election – that the purpose of polls is to influence public opinion not reflect it.
     
    Or maybe it's better to say that the expression of the public mind is not limited to opinion polls.

    In any event, I think it's ridiculous for us to try to say that our current strategy, ie, "Suck an egg, Trump is President" has got any viability in our current public esteem.
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