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From CNBC TV 18:

Meet Suketu Mehta — the balladeer of immigration

Updated : July 12, 2019 09:46 AM IST

by LAVINA MELWANI, @lavinamelwani

At a time when refugees, asylum-seekers, migrants and illegal immigrants are regarded as trouble-makers, scum, inconvenient and expendable in America and immigration is itself the new four-letter word, there comes a powerful protest from award-winning author Suketu Mehta, himself the son of immigrants.

Like many Indian immigrants, Suketu Mehta’s father and grandfather crossed the oceans, struggled and settled in countries far from their homeland. In his stunning new book, ‘This Land is Our Land – An Immigrant’s Manifesto’, Mehta recounts how in the 1980s his maternal grandfather in London was accosted by an elderly British man who lashed out: “Why are you here? Why are you in my country?”

‘“Because we are the creditors,” calmly responded his grandfather, who was born in India, worked all his life in colonial Kenya and was now retired in London. “You took all our wealth, our diamonds. Now we have come to collect.”

As Suketu Mehta writes, “We are here, my grandfather was saying because you were there.”

It is indeed almost a karmic tale of epic proportions, the end result of hundreds of years of colonial exploitation and abuse by the Masters which stripped the home countries of wealth and jobs – and now the exploited are once again on their doorstep, looking for justice, for retribution.

Sounds great!

Here’s my review of Professor Mehta’s book.

 
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  1. Daniel H says:

    So this is how we claim this land. We fight for our rights, and we run for office. And we say loudly, proudly, this land is ours.”

    Yep, because white Americans are pussies. Too cowardly to fight for their country, and they will lose it.

    Do you think one could cow and Indian for an instant, accusing him of racism? No way, he would laugh at you.

    We are pussies. That is all there is to it.

  2. OT: Speakeasy-patron of the House Nancy Pelosi on her recent tiff with AOC and company: “We respect the value of every member of our caucus. The diversity of it all is a wonderful thing. Diversity is our strength. Unity is our power.” The last two sentences might sound like a direct contradiction, but not if you say them really really loudly with a straight, albeit stroke-stricken, face.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Digital Samizdat
  3. @Daniel H

    Ten years from now most public school students may very well think America was stolen from dot Indians instead of feather Indians. How many of them will ever personally encounter one of the latter anyway?

    On the other hand, I expect the right-wing meme-osphere could strike gold by taking footage of almost any recent sanctimonious immigrants-first commentary and tacking on a clip of the crying Indian guy from that old anti-litter PSA from the 70s on the end of it.

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @AndrewR
  4. eah says:

    UN Launches All-Out War On Free Speech

    “Hate speech is…an attack on tolerance, inclusion, diversity and the very essence of our human rights norms and principles,” Guterres said. He also wrote in an article on the subject, “To those who insist on using fear to divide communities, we must say: diversity is a richness, never a threat…We must never forget, after all, that each of us is an “other” to someone, somewhere”.

    As I recall, similar language is already present in The Global Pact for Forced Acceptance of Migration.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    , @bomag
  5. DATELINE: Ghuangzhou, China, 2134 AD

    All across the South China coast and from points beyond, from Manila to Brisbane to far-off Peru, hundreds of millions of desperate Africans, Indians, and Chinese have taken to sea in canoes, overcrowded dinghies, and leaky home-made rafts, paddling furiously across the wide Pacific in a frantic attempt to reach New Zealand’ s fabled South Island, where they hope to achieve their dream of living next door to the last 400 white people left on earth….

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  6. syonredux says:

    It is indeed almost a karmic tale of epic proportions, the end result of hundreds of years of colonial exploitation and abuse by the Masters which stripped the home countries of wealth and jobs – and now the exploited are once again on their doorstep, looking for justice, for retribution.

    ….And this is supposed to make me happy about non-European immigration…..

    Mehta recounts how in the 1980s his maternal grandfather in London was accosted by an elderly British man who lashed out: “Why are you here? Why are you in my country?”

    ‘“Because we are the creditors,” calmly responded his grandfather, who was born in India, worked all his life in colonial Kenya

    Oh dear, sounds as though grandpa was doing his part in keeping the Black man down…..

    and was now retired in London.

    Must not miss Mother India very much…..

    As Suketu Mehta writes, “We are here, my grandfather was saying because you were there.”

    Does this mean that Kenyans get to immigrate to India…..

  7. Anon[221] • Disclaimer says:

    The latest Bloggingheads video podcast episodes features Coleman Hughes (who went up against TNC in the reparations committee testimony) and black economist Glenn Loury talking about reparations, and they get into this “you took our diamonds” line of thinking, discarding it as not really making any sense because of many counterexamples. Human capital and culture are what count the most.

  8. Where’s Idi Amin when you need him?

    • LOL: jim jones
    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  9. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:

    Good ole Karma. Maybe John Wayne was a closet-Hindu when he said the Indians deserve to lose their lands because they were being selfish with all that good stuff and wouldn’t share it with the white man.

    Now, the same Karmic logic is used against whites.

  10. dfordoom says: • Website

    In retrospect it does seem that European colonialism was a seriously bad idea. A seriously bad idea for Europeans anyway.

  11. BenKenobi says:

    In a twist of fate, the Trump phenomenon has caused The Left/Globohomo go full accelerationist.

    Immigration used to be an unalloyed good. Manna from heaven. Now they admit it’s something we deserve good and hard. It’s a shame we can’t harness energy from hand rubbing, we could actually go green.

    Trump could have rode the wave on Jan 21 and went all the way. Scoured the court clean — millions would have followed him and he would have been Washington 2.0. He didn’t, and then they dog-piled him.

    The Davos crowd know they are a cunt-hair away from being Hebdo’d with extreme prejudice and are thus committed to preventing another pesky nationalist outburst. The next Trump-esque figure or group will know the only mistake is not going all the way.

    You’d best start believing in interesting times, ’cause you’re in ’em.

  12. Ed says:

    On some level it makes sense that part of the Empire end up in London. Up until about 2000, South Asians made up the bulk of immigrants to the UK, with a big boost coming from Indians that were British nationals in East Asia. The problem is Labour under Blair loosened immigration laws and many others began to come.

    At any rate this argument doesn’t explain immigration to places like Sweden, Switzerland or even Germany which had no or minimal overseas territory.

  13. El Dato says:
    @WowJustWow

    The diversity of it all is a wonderful thing. Diversity is our strength. Unity is our power.

    We may be running low on power then.

    Meanwhile:

    #diversity is our strength, chainsaws on the #ChampsElysees in #Paris with celebrating Algerian nationals.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  14. istevefan says:

    ‘“Because we are the creditors,” calmly responded his grandfather, who was born in India, worked all his life in colonial Kenya and was now retired in London. “You took all our wealth, our diamonds. Now we have come to collect.”

    I don’t recall that being one of Gandhi’s demands. He wanted the British out of India. They complied, end of story.

    But if it’s a matter of money, there is no need for you to come to the West. If indeed you can make your case, funds can be wired to you in India.

    It is indeed almost a karmic tale of epic proportions, the end result of hundreds of years of colonial exploitation and abuse by the Masters which stripped the home countries of wealth and jobs – and now the exploited are once again on their doorstep, looking for justice, for retribution.

    But the so called masters are still stripping the home countries by taking their top human resources. Whether this is karmic or idiotic, you decide.

    In a way this reminds me of the modern Irish. Their ancestors fought tooth and nail to get the Brits out of Ireland. Now they welcome the fact they will be a minority in their own country within a lifetime.

    Likewise, India and other former colonies complained about the theft of their natural resources. Now they can’t wait to give the West their top human resources.

  15. Suketu Mehta’s previous book, Maximum City, seems more interesting, and more candid. An excerpt from his website.

    My uncle and my father made regular business trips to Antwerp and America. When my father asked what he could bring back from America for me, I asked him for a scratch-and-sniff T-shirt, which I’d read about in some American magazine. He came back bringing a giant bag of marshmallows. I ate as many as I could of the huge white cottony things, and tried to make sense of the texture, before my aunt appropriated them.

    After one of those trips, according to my uncle, my father had an epiphany while shaving, as often happens when you’re facing yourself in a mirror without actively looking. He decided to move to America. Not for its freedom or its way of life; he moved there to make more money.

    http://www.suketumehta.com/books_

    • Replies: @Declane
    , @hhsiii
  16. Lavina Melwani [slight correction in brackets]:

    At a time when [American citizens] are regarded as trouble-makers, scum, inconvenient and expendable in America …

    As Suketu Mehta explained, “All politics is local, all politics is personal. So this is how we claim this land. We fight for our rights, and we run for office. And we say loudly, proudly, this land is ours.”

    When Boogaloo Time kicks off, lemon-sucking-lipped parvenus would be wise to have already jetted back to the ol’ shithole country.

    [MORE]

    • Agree: Jack Hanson
  17. Anonymous[444] • Disclaimer says:

    I’d much rather have people such as Mehta be open, honest and explicit about their motives, motivation and agenda, rather than be force fed the damned lies, falsehoods and fantasy, (‘immigrants only come here to benefit us!’), from the likes of The Economist et al.

    As the saying goes, ‘live not by lies’.

    Honesty, ideally, should be the basis of all rational political discourse.

  18. Jason Liu says:

    It’s not karmic anything, mass immigration is a problem western countries brought upon themselves with their liberal universalist values.

    • Agree: Thea
  19. Yes, immigration karma is a bitch

    From the Guardian:

    Acceptance of gay sex in decline in UK for first time since Aids crisis

    The finding, based on a survey of 2,884 people, coincided with the first dip in more than a decade in people saying they think sex before marriage is not at all wrong, with people from non-Christian religious groups the most likely to disapprove.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jul/11/acceptance-gay-sex-decline-uk-first-time-since-aids-crisis

    CoExist, baby!

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  20. Cthulhu deity or NY times Writer game.

    Hint: It appears as a formless spinning hurricane-like thing with strings of violet and golden colors across its shape, constantly emitting sickening smacking and screeching noises while showing pain-stricken faces across its body.

    A. Suc Naath
    B. Suketu Mehta

  21. @istevefan

    Gandhi’s … wanted the British out of India

    Too bad they kicked out the White man too soon before they could develop the country fully and give them our flush toilet technology.

  22. India…..oh, yes….

    http://www.planetcustodian.com/2015/10/19/8134/over-50-scary-images-depicting-filth-of-varanasi-and-river-ganges-that-went-viral-in-china.html

    Over 50 scary images depicting filth of Varanasi and River Ganges that went viral in China

    • Replies: @eah
  23. @Anonymous

    have people such as Mehta be open, honest and explicit about their motives

    It’s not really ‘their motives’. He is just a puppet parroting what he is supposed to say. He wouln’t have his job if he wrote non SJW articles. It’s the people with lots of money that pay writers to write such articles that have motives.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @AndrewR
  24. Curious says:

    Mehta is born from a gujarati merchant family (hardly a victim of any kind). Some of you may remember the Guptas. They looted South Africa under the guise of “anti-racism”. They even hired London PR firms to demonize their critics as ‘white monopoly capital’, however that was too much for FT, NYT and other media outlets. White supremacy is fine, white monopoly capital is not!

    Now they are back:

    https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2019-07-12-what-a-tangled-web-we-weave-another-gupta-wedding-brings-shadowy-in-laws-into-the-fold/

    Notice how weddings are used to weave one part of a business clan with another. White individualism cannot be compared with clannish third worldism.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    , @Ed
  25. Anonymous[444] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    On a related note, I read the other day, in a piece connected with the 50 year anniversary of the Apollo moonshot, that the total cost of the Apollo program, in its entirety, spread over the 10 year or so life of the project, from inception until demise, was something around $100 billion at today’s price, or roughly, $70 billion euros.

    Another article I read recently puts the cost of the 2015 Merkel mass immigration wave into Germany at some 20 billion euros per annum.
    Needless to say, the Merkel immigration has likely already exceeded the Apollo program in cost.

    Apart from the tremendous sense of achievement and prestige, Apollo, surely, had a role in the enormous development of computing – whose side effect has enriched the world incalculably since then.
    What has the Merkel immigration given Germany except racial cuckholdry, enormous long-term fiscal liabilities, criminality and eventual national demise?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    , @guest
  26. @eah

    “We must never forget, after all, that each of us is an “other” to someone, somewhere”.

    So true. And this is why white countries–and only white countries–must be flooded with hundreds of millions of third-world migrants. It’s just simple logic, really.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  27. hhsiii says:
    @Ed

    Or the U.S. We didn’t colonize India, either.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    , @Clyde
  28. @hhsiii

    The Puerto Ricans and Philipinos are enough.

  29. If White Supremacy is a lie, why do People Of Color move to white countries?

  30. RobUK says:

    So he is a coloniser, as was his grandfather before him.

  31. @WowJustWow

    “We respect the value of every member of our caucus. The diversity of it all is a wonderful thing. Diversity is our strength. Unity is our power.”

    This is like the credo of old: “I believe in one God, the Father, maker of heaven and earth …”

  32. @Ed

    And it certainly couldn’t apply to countries like Hungary or Poland, which for most of their modern history were colonized by other countries in Europe, such as Germany or Austria.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  33. Clyde says:
    @hhsiii

    Or the U.S. We didn’t colonize India, either.

    The flood of Indian H1B is insane and they can bring spouses. They are working more than IT these days. It is back door legal immigration. The major corporations and Hindu body shops bribing our politicians are to blame for this

    • Replies: @Anon000
  34. @Hippopotamusdrome

    If there is really a giant conspiracy, Mehta would have gotten word that Sailer is on to him, so tone it down.

    But the world doesn’t work that way.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Altai
  35. You’ve met Suketu Mehta. Now meet his cousin, Fukepu Tehta.

  36. Declane says:
    @PiltdownMan

    When my father asked what he could bring back from America for me, I asked him for a scratch-and-sniff T-shirt, which I’d read about in some American magazine. He came back bringing a giant bag of marshmallows. I ate as many as I could of the huge white cottony things, and tried to make sense of the texture, before my aunt appropriated them.

    Presumably he would’ve brought back “the ability to make the things that Americans make here at home, so we can live as comfortably as they live while still retaining our culture” instead, but it went against airline policy.

  37. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Reticence has never been the characteristic of the pushers of uncontrolled immigration.

    Arrogance, however, always has been.

  38. @eah

    Yes, but half of these are countries that buy garbage from the developed countries so they can then pick through it for anything of value and then chuck the garbage-garbage into the rivers, so, you see, it really is the fault of the West.

    Now, pay up your global eco-tax reparations, yanqui scum!

  39. njguy73 says:
    @dfordoom

    In retrospect it does seem that European colonialism was a seriously bad idea. A seriously bad idea for Europeans anyway.

    Please spread that to everyone who posts here.

  40. Anon000 says:
    @Clyde

    The flood of Indian H1B is insane and they can bring spouses. They are working more than IT these days. It is back door legal immigration. The major corporations and Hindu body shops bribing our politicians are to blame for this

    The maddening thing is that the IT industry is propped up by massive federal spending. Trillions of federal dollars have gone into IT hubs. Gov’t agencies, DoD, and unaccountable (“black budget”) intelligence community entities. Much of the IT industry is then simply one or more degrees of separation from gov’t work/money.

    Regarding the DoD stuff, I know a former military guy who worked for a IT/tech start-up about 8 years ago. The company was started by some foreigner. This guy said they were getting millions of dollars from DARPA and the company had yet to produce anything and had nothing to show for it. The guy I know said DARPA never sent anyone to make sure they even existed before writing checks for millions of dollars. He said he was always expecting 60 Minutes to come with cameras rolling and expose them as frauds (how naive and out of date). Anyway, the start-up dissolved and the owner/CEO absconded with whatever money/assets the company had and supposedly gone on to create another tech company with the U.S. gov’t as its client.

  41. BB753 says:

    What the Marathi or Hindi word for shutzpah? Indians have it in spades and in a more aggressive variety than Jews.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    , @Altai
  42. bomag says:
    @WowJustWow

    How many of them will ever personally encounter one of the latter [feather Indians] anyway?

    I was surprised by the numbers. There are roughly 5 million in the US who identify (“identify”) as feather Indians; there are 3 million on the “rolls” maintained by Dept. of Interior; there are 1.5 living on reservations.

    Considering our immigrant influx is around 1.5 million a year, it’s like the real feather Indians are getting conquered/replaced every year.

    • Agree: Sam Coulton
  43. bomag says:
    @eah

    diversity is a richness, never a threat…

    Diversity of what? Air temperature? Rainfall? CO2 levels? Nx levels? Seems about as false a statement as can be made. Success in life requires a pretty narrow range of parameters.

    Meanwhile, diversity of hair and eye color is falling, and this is announced as a good.

  44. The only question that matters is this:How is it in the racial interests of the HISTORIC NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN WORKING CLASS MAJORITY to tolerate the importation of Hindu LEGAL IMMIGRANTS?……..Well, the very obvious answer is that it is not in their racial interests to tolerate this……there are 0 benefits to having Hindu Legal Immigrants comming into America…… breeding and reproducing on Native Born White American Living and Breeding Space and Voting The Historic Native Born White American Working Class into a White Racial Minority within the borders of America……

    If you don’t ask the right question…you won’t get the right answer. It is such a simple question that many of isteve readers never ask when confronted with these racist and arrogant Hindu “Americans”…..Once you ask this question, the debate ends immediately……..What this Hindu “American” is doing is waging a race war against our People…..

    Steve
    Hopefully, you have already googled photos of the repellant blob fish…..perhaps you can post some these photos of the blob fish and photos of Alan Dershowitz…….Your loyal iSteve Readers will have a great big belly laugh….hopefully these great big belly laughs won’t induce a hernia….

  45. Marcus says:

    These “people” will turn around and say that immigrants benefit the economy in the same interview. Also lol at his grandfather working for the empire and then pretending to be a victim.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  46. As Suketu Mehta writes, “We are here, my grandfather was saying because you were there.”

    I strongly suspect that this little episode never happened that way. It may have been based on a real incident, but it has been extensively embellished with heavy dollops of current-year identity politics that would be anachronistic in another generation, and even just another decade. The old man plausibly and probably just meant that due to the inevitable side effects of colonization and especially decolonization, a few Indian nationals would end up flowing back to Great Britain. It had nothing to do with wealth or diamonds or retribution.

    At least, that’s how a decent person would mean it. To intend it the other way would be as much as to say, “I am the evil you deserve,” which is somewhat strange.

    Furthermore, the gentleman who demanded to know what they were doing in his country sounds like a stock figure and not a real person. I have to think that this episode is more or less contrived.

    • Agree: jim jones
  47. “We are here, my grandfather was saying because you were there.”

    Nah, you’re “here” because you’ve been screwing up “there” since 1947.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  48. Mr. Anon says:

    ‘“Because we are the creditors,” calmly responded his grandfather, who was born in India, worked all his life in colonial Kenya and was now retired in London. “You took all our wealth, our diamonds. Now we have come to collect.”

    An Indian who worked all his life in colonial Kenya? Doesn’t that make Mr. Mehta’s grandfather a colonialist? Perhaps Kenyans should be seeking reparations from Mr. Mehta.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  49. Flip says:

    If there ever were a war with a draft, these paper Americans would flee back to their homelands pretty quickly.

  50. Tweet from 2014:

  51. The treasonous politician rats in the US Congress are doing everything they can to flood the USA with visa worker foreigners and other guest workers and other foreigners to replace American STEM workers and lower the wages of US STEM workers.

    New Hampshire US Senator Jeanne Shaheen is a nasty anti-worker baby boomer SOB of the worst sort who likes nothing more than to attack US workers by flooding foreigners in to replace them and lower their wages.

    Recently, the US House voted to massively increase and flood the USA with visa worker foreigners — especially visa foreigners from India. Over 100 members of the GOP Cheap Labor Faction voted to attack US workers by flooding more foreigners into the USA. You can be sure Jeanne Shaheen will vote in favor of this anti-worker bill(HR 1044) when it gets to the US Senate.

    I wrote this in 2013 about anti-worker politician Jeanne Shaheen and her attack on US STEM workers:

    NH Sen. Jeanne Shaheen and Pres. Obama have united with wealthy anti-worker extremists who want to crush the wages of Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math(S.T.E.M.) workers. Shaheen and Obama’s vile attacks on S.T.E.M. workers has been sneakily insinuated into the treasonous OBAMA/SHAHEEN/RUBIO illegal alien amnesty–mass immigration surge bill (S.744).

    Previously, Shaheen could be found shilling diversionary propaganda claptrap for a distractionary tax dodge outfit called the Concord Coalition. The Concord Coalition was formed by billionaires to make sure the baby boomer fueled budgetary debt bulge would not lead to increased taxes on those with all the ill-gotten gains from financialization and globalization.

    The current Concord Coalition U.S. debt solution is a despicable continuation of the Reagan/O’Neill/Greenspan scheme: chop away at benefits while simultaneously increasing payroll taxes and raising the retirement eligibility age. Shaheen and the Concord Coalition billionaires would be happy to see the retirement age at 75 with a payroll tax increase to 20%(10%employer, 10% employee).

    Shaheen, at this very moment, is attacking S.T.E.M. workers on behalf of vile Silicon Valley shysters who want to replace all remaining native-born S.T.E.M. workers with foreigners indentured by their visa constraints. Shaheen is following the orders of putrid technology company billionaires. Bloomberg, Gates, and Zuckerberg treasonously prefer foreigners over their own countrymen.

    Shaheen and Obama want to plunge a job-killing knife into the back of U.S. workers by stapling a green card to the diploma of S.T.E.M. graduate foreigners. Shaheen and Obama are treasonous in their billionaire-directed plan to oversupply S.T.E.M. workers.

    Hal Salzman, Rutgers University professor, stated in a recent Congressional hearing on H-1B visas that, “We(U.S.) are educating 50 percent more IT grads every year than there are job openings.” Salzman also stated, “The U.S. has more than a sufficient supply of workers available to work in S.T.E.M occupations.”

    Hal Salzman, Rutgers University professor, stated in a recent Congressional hearing on H-1B visas that, “We(U.S.) are educating 50 percent more IT grads every year than there are job openings.” Salzman also stated, “The U.S. has more than a sufficient supply of workers available to work in S.T.E.M occupations.”

    Shaheen and Obama push multiculturalism. Shaheen and Obama are billionaire-controlled globalizers.

    Shaheen and Obama are politician bullies who will sacrifice S.T.E.M. workers on the altar of billionaire-directed globalization.

    Tweet from 2014:

  52. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Ed

    On some level it makes sense that part of the Empire end up in London. Up until about 2000, South Asians made up the bulk of immigrants to the UK, with a big boost coming from Indians that were British nationals in East Asia. The problem is Labour under Blair loosened immigration laws and many others began to come.

    At any rate this argument doesn’t explain immigration to places like Sweden, Switzerland or even Germany which had no or minimal overseas territory.

    The rational solution is that the countries that cause the problems that create refugee crises, countries like Britain and the U.S., should take in all the refugees while countries that were not responsible for these problems should be exempted from talking in refugees.

    That would suck for the British but it’s their own fault.

  53. @Daniel H

    India, a land where generations of people of worked to create a culture – worth abandoning. Lord knows we should not learn who, whom in regards to how India became like it was when Charles Napier sinned so badly as to wind up running the whole province of Sindh. Otherwise we’ll have to ask why those folks aren’t immigrating to Saudi Arabia, which has all that wealth, wonderful sunshine and is a heck of a lot closer to Bombay than London.

  54. @Daniel H

    Yep, because white Americans are pussies. Too cowardly to fight for their country, and they will lose it.

    Do you think one could cow and Indian for an instant, accusing him of racism? No way, he would laugh at you.

    We are pussies. That is all there is to it.

    We’re not pussies. We’re paralyzed.

    Our societal nervous system has been hijacked.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    , @L Woods
    , @MBlanc46
    , @bomag
  55. @Ed

    At any rate this argument doesn’t explain immigration to places like Sweden, Switzerland or even Germany which had no or minimal overseas territory.

    It doesn’t explain immigration to anywhere. It’s a bogus rationalization.

  56. @Jason Liu

    It’s not karmic anything, mass immigration is a problem western countries brought upon themselves with their liberal universalist values.

    Bull. We have no say in it.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  57. “C0nservative” Congressman Peter King from Seaford LI the worst of them all…..An odious rancid creature who speaks with marbles in his mouth(S0me people say:”When C0ngressman Peter King speaks he sounds like a can of beans negotiating it’s way down through a cow’s intestines”)…….voted to import LEGALLY another 300,000 Hindu “Americans” into our America so they can vote The Historic Native Born White American Working Class Majority into a White Racial Minority within the borders of America…..What a FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT……………….Hindu “AMERICANS”=SCAB LABOR…

    Who is importing the highly RACIALIZED Democratic Party Voting Bloc from India?…Answer:Donald Trump!!!!….And from China also…..
    There was, and is, no point in voting for Donald Trump……

    50 years ago…A 90 percent Native Born White America landed two Alpha Native Born White American Males on the Moon….Who did the White Man Moon Walk(Great title to a tune that needs to be written…perhaps a neo-classical piece in the mixolydian b6 mode…)…on the HUWHITE MOON……We seem to have done quite well when there were hardly any Hindu “Americans” in our America….

    • Replies: @Daniel H
  58. “You took all our wealth, our diamonds.”

    Diamonds? India? News to me.

    Since when was India known as a producer of diamonds?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @PiltdownMan
  59. hhsiii says:
    @PiltdownMan

    He says he was one of the first South Asians at his catholic school in Jackson Heights. He moved there in the ’77 at 14. The are was already heavily Colombian. There’s a funny line that his picture in the year book said strong enough to skip a day for his photo caption, the old deodorant ad. Cruel, but he may not have assimilated US level bathing habits quickly enough. But kids pick on each other. I’m sure he had it better off at the parochial school than he’d have had at a local public school, where he could have mingled with the poorer of his own expats, plus the Colombians, other ethnics, etc.

    He also said he went to the Eagle Theater with his friends (former art deco film palace turned porn palace turned Bollywood film locale, now a South Asian food court). So there must have been plenty of South Asians around even then.

    He has since lived in Manhattan mostly, East Village and other places. Apparently no longer interested much in Jackson Heights.

    I think a lot of animus comes from people not realizing the fact they were picked on in school isn’t unique to them. The fact that some ethnic characteristic is chosen makes them think the animus is purely based on ethnicity, but that’s just a convenient target for kids doing what kid have always done. Most people grow out of their teen paranoia but “minorities” often keep a massive chip on their shoulder into adulthood even when they really aren’t even minorities anymore.

  60. AndrewR says:
    @WowJustWow

    Wasn’t the actor Italian?

  61. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Flip

    Which is exactly why we need one. A long, hard War that makes GIs important and immigrants bimbos and grifters a heavy cost to be disposed of as quickly as possible.

    What has peace gotten us? Serfs at best to a new foreign ruling class.

  62. AndrewR says:

    His parents both look like acid-attack victims.

  63. AndrewR says:
    @syonredux

    I’ve never been to either country but I imagine Kenya is nicer in most regards.

  64. Whiskey says: • Website
    @ben tillman

    Nope. We are subject to budding dynasties allied with foreign ones, female liberation I. E. Most White men irrelevant at best, and a long brutal corrupting peace.

    War throws up men like Patton and Grant and Sherman. Peace produces Hillary Clinton.

    Look at South Africa or Angola. Dynasties all the way down. Dynasties hostile to their people is the 1 human problem in history.

  65. AndrewR says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    SJWs can either be honest, like this guy, or dishonest, by pretending that diversity has nothing to do with revenge. I prefer the honesty.

  66. AndrewR says:
    @Anonymous

    Merkel, for all her wickedness, has proven without a doubt that, at a minimum, the Germans have paid whatever karmic debt they may have owed. I would go a bit further than that but I’m not trynna get the Whim™

  67. AndrewR says:
    @Curious

    So a >$30,000,000 wedding (hopefully a world record) only had 150 guests? When I first read the cost of the wedding I assumed that guests numbered in the thousands. If I had 5% that budget for a wedding I would probably invite everyone I knew and pay for their lodging and transportation. How do you spend $200k per guest?

  68. AndrewR says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Dude, stop. Do you really think the globalist elites have no desire to open the borders of countries you would probably not consider “white countries”? The only country these people don’t want open borders for is Israel, and many people consider that a “white country,” accurately or not.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  69. indocon says:
    @Daniel H

    Having left the subcontinent, pains me to see it get recreated right here, and all you pilgrims being too pussyfoot to say or do a damm thing.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    , @indocon
  70. L Woods says:
    @BB753

    Indians are proving to be the foremost living vindication of the old “devil you know” cliche.

  71. L Woods says:
    @ben tillman

    Yes, that tends to happen when cowards are faced with adversity.

  72. @Daniel H

    We are pussies. That is all there is to it.

    We were told that, by being “tolerant”, we would give the “minority”[1] groups time to be assimilated into the American melting pot.

    We were told a lie, and this is fairly evident to everybody young and white and unemployed. That might result in a change of strategy.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] Note the subtext to “minority” group. It implies that the group is very similar to some larger group, similar enough that its most significant feature is that it is few in number. Try substituting “alien” for “minority” and see what that implies.

  73. @syonredux

    Does this mean that Kenyans get to immigrate to India…..

    Good point. Indians are the market dominant minority in East Africa, and are as unpopular there as any market dominant minority [1] is anywhere.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_on_Fire_(book)

  74. anon[308] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘“Because we are the creditors,” calmly responded his grandfather, who was born in India, worked all his life in colonial Kenya and was now retired in London. “You took all our wealth, our diamonds. Now we have come to collect.”

    As Suketu Mehta writes, “We are here, my grandfather was saying because you were there.”

    Actually they were in Britain mostly because they didn’t want to be slaughtered by Africans.

    With vivid memories of the slaughter of Arabs on the nearby island of Zanzibar in 1962, they feared future instances of African racism and xenophobia. Also, it was clear that the sluggish economy could not create enough jobs for both Black and Brown. Asians planned to stay in Kenya as long as their jobs or business lasted, for they knew that British citizenship offered them a place to go if they had to leave Africa

    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1968/4/24/asians-panic-pbkbenyas-asians-are-caught/

  75. @Jason Liu

    It’s not karmic anything, mass immigration is a problem western countries brought upon themselves with their liberal universalist values.

    There’s nothing universalistic about mass immigration. First, it’s happening because we’re being manipulated. Second, the fact that (despite the manipulation) there is no universal ingroup ought to clue you in to the fact that this is not universalism. Instead, we have a white ingroup that recognizes and is required to discriminate in favor of an outgroup consisting of all nonwhites.

  76. RE: Karmic Immigration book by Mehta

    The Englishman asks the Indian “Why are you in my country?” Indian replies, “Because we are the creditors. You stole our jewels and we are here to collect.”

    Both of these people are incorrect. England belongs to the oligarchy that has run that island for centuries. And if the Indian thinks he’s a creditor to those criminals who run the UK, he’s delusional. The British oligarchy will screw over the Indian just like it does the Englishman.
    TJM

  77. @Reg Cæsar

    Better question: Where is Malema when you need him? Or Mugabe?

  78. anon[308] • Disclaimer says:
    @Prester John

    “Our diamond” would probably be more accurate.

    The Koh-i-Noor has long been a subject of diplomatic controversy, with India, Pakistan, Iran, and Afghanistan all demanding its return from the UK at various points.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koh-i-Noor#Ownership_dispute

  79. @Digital Samizdat

    Yes, but arent there are lot of Eastern Europeans in Western Europe?

  80. @Ed

    rom Indians that were British nationals in East Asia

    Did you mean to say East AFRICA? Like from Kenya, Uganda and the likes? Yes it makes sense, because they were British subjects

    • Replies: @Ed
  81. @Flip

    As if dodging the draft is exclusively a foreigner thing LOL we all remember the debacle from the Vietnam wars. Plus, last I checked, blacks and hispanics are HIGHLY OVERREPRESENTED in your armed forces

    • Replies: @Marcus
    , @L Woods
    , @216
  82. @dfordoom

    Yes, this is a strangely sensible comment in this sea of ignorance. Can I add countries like France to that? They totally destroyed Libya and they still get colonial earnings from many Subsaharan African countries to this day. Say what you want about groids, but damn. Leave them alone why don’t ya. This in turn would inspire movements against these devastating conflicts which decimate entire cities to millions of fragmented pieces of rubble, because the average citizen would realize the drawbacks that would come as a result of these wars, one which would evidently be an influx of low IQ migrants from deplorable countries. Maybe then too the stomach-turning impassionate support for the cabal and the Zionist entity would subside as the populace would make the realization that ((they)) are the progenitors of the issues plaguing their own societies. Who knows really, but I was on a bit of a tangent. Sorry about that lol,but yeah I agree. Believe me, it’s not just those two countries that would have to agree to it, oh no sir.

    • Replies: @Marcus
    , @Malla
  83. @Mr. Anon

    Working for the colonial administrative offices makes you a colonialist now? How so? He might be just a shameless opportunist now though, and obviously some of the senility is taking over, so I wouldn’t pay the senior much heed. What reparations should the Kenyans seek? They receive enough tax revenue from the Indian community there. Their economy would indubitably collapse without the presence of Indians and if there was an exodus. Consider the tax revenue an ample substituion for this silly idea of “reparations”

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Mr. Anon
    , @syonredux
  84. @Marcus

    Well different groups of immigrants do have a positive fiscal impact towards the economies of different countries in the Western world.

    • Replies: @Marcus
    , @bomag
  85. @El Dato

    Hey, the Indians don’t do that

  86. @ben tillman

    Yes you do. Voting is one way. Plus, immigration support tends to be quite sentiment based, which I believe is cyclical, because obviously anti-immigrant or whatever sentiments tend to be at a negative after whatever humanitarian tragedy or trouble. The support for the Hart Cellars Act from the populations of the United States merely attests to the fact that people generally began to lose interest in the colour or racial characteristics of newcomers.

  87. @The Alarmist

    with people from non-Christian religious groups the most likely to disapprove.

    Interestingly enough, in America, it is the other way around.

    https://www.newsweek.com/muslim-white-evangelical-gay-marriage-907627

    Muslims, by a margin of 51 percent to 34 percent, favor same-sex marriage

    Compared to…

    Fifty-eight percent of white evangelical Christians and 53 percent of Mormons—an overwhelming majority of whom are white—are opposed to allowing gay couples to marry.

  88. Altai says:
    @BB753

    Convergent evolution. Gujaratis, Armenians and Fujanese collect the same reputations as Ashkenazi by dint of a similar human ecological niche.

  89. Altai says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Exactly. Mehta is demonstrating the grasping haughty attitude you would expect from everything else one knows of him. At the end of the day if you import another group they’re not going to say “Well the natives never wanted us here we just showed up. We should respect that and defer to them”

  90. @BengaliCanadianDude

    So, Muslim immigrants are making America more liberal? Maybe they realise they need to play a longer game than their already victorious British-based compatriots.

  91. jrackell says:

    Brahmin Indians trying to turn whites into Dalits.

    • Agree: Malla
  92. Daniel H says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    The GOP is the enemy. If Trump signs this bill he deserves to lose in 2020. He must lose in 2020.

  93. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @istevefan

    But if it’s a matter of money, there is no need for you to come to the West

    True, too, if it’s a matter of laws or ideas: you can copy America’s constitution off the Internet, and subscribe to National Review online. No need to come here for that.

    But it’s not really about that, and it’s not really about revenge: that’s just to soothe his wounded feelings. What he, and billions of others, want is to live in a society administered largely by Westerners (or ultra-competent Easterners, like the rulers of Singapore). We should offer them that in the comfort of their own home countries. Carve us out a piece to run, and we’ll give you a slice of the first world in your own country.

  94. Marcus says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    No. But anyway my point was that only a hostile parasite would be shameless enough to say that immigration is revenge while also proclaiming its economic benefits

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  95. Marcus says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Plus, last I checked, blacks and hispanics are HIGHLY OVERREPRESENTED in your armed forces

    They aren’t, that’s more media bs to make White Americans think “minorities” care about our country as much as we do (not saying that enlisting is a good way of showing it considering our hostile govt). Amerindians are, strangely enough, overrepresented in the armed forces

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  96. Ed says:
    @Ed

    Should be “British nationals in East Africa”, mostly the ones kicked out of Uganda

  97. Ed says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Yes that’s what I meant, thank you.

  98. Ed says:
    @Jason Liu

    Exactly, the French were especially bad at this, “Frenchness” could be earned by those they ruled and many took them up on it. Algeria was ruled as department of France for over 100 years. Guess which group makes up the bulk of French with foreign roots? Algerians, who btw rioted last night after a victory by the Algerian soccer team in the African Cup of Nations.

  99. syonredux says:
    @dfordoom

    The rational solution is that the countries that cause the problems that create refugee crises, countries like Britain and the U.S., should take in all the refugees while countries that were not responsible for these problems should be exempted from talking in refugees.

    That would suck for the British but it’s their own fault.

    Which means that the elites in the USA and UK win……

  100. bomag says:
    @dfordoom

    The rational solution is for countries to defend their borders and let in who the current inhabitants deem worthy.

    When you start using immigration to punish for past wrongs, you end up punishing the innocent and thus adding more wrongs to the historical mix.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  101. L Woods says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    …and HIGHLY UNDERREPRESENTED in actual combat positions, you ignoramus.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  102. guest says:

    “we are the creditors”

    Hey, you just said the British took your stuff. You didn’t say you lent it to them. You’re not a bank. You’re just a guy.

    • LOL: bomag
  103. guest says:
    @Anonymous

    Development of computing…do you mean replacing those genius Strong Women of Color who single-handedly got John Glenn to Mars with arithmetic?

  104. Wise up guys, “no one is illegal on stolen land’. The White lady on Cape Cod has a lime green sign that says so. Checkmate.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  105. @dfordoom

    Why? There was and is nothing wrong with it. Just because you invade somebody else doesn’t mean you have to invite them back in to your country. We just got weak from too much wealth and success, and have been brainwashed into thinking that INVADE automatically means INVITE.

    We are just pussies now, as Comment #1 said. Colonialism is great, Europeans got a ton of resources and wealth from the 3rd world people. They will always be 3rd world, whether they live there or among whites.

    • Replies: @Malla
  106. bomag says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Muslims, by a margin of 51 percent to 34 percent, favor same-sex marriage

    LOL

    All the better for which to identify them…

  107. @BengaliCanadianDude

    De evil whyte man keepin the LGBT down! Better import some more Muslims and Mexicans!

  108. bomag says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    …positive fiscal impact

    Worshiping GDP overmuch is a path to oblivion.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  109. @Cagey Beast

    What’s with this recent shift to old white creeps doing the protesting? I remember in the past that it was usually young white people, “the wave of the future” demonstrating.

    Are young whites wising up? Or is this just some new strategy by the left.

    • Replies: @216
  110. This is the mentality that most non-whites have. You deserve us whitey. HA HA. It’s your punishment.

    But one should take a step back and think about what this really implies. Is their self-worth so low, that they believe having to live with themselves and their race is a punishment? This type of thinking seems to show a massive inferiority complex, and self loathing, beneath the surface. Imagine that. “It’s your punishment to have to live with me”.

    I dunno, but the more I’m seeing, the more I’m starting to believe in “white supremacy”. You see that Europeans are a very unique race, with a much different mind than anybody else.

    Anyways, Indians are worthless. They flood into Canada and then realize that the same idiots and poor values that held them up back home are prevalent here, too.

    • Agree: Malla
    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  111. The British made India what it is today. They should be paying reparations to the Brits.

  112. kender says:

    What an evasive and retarded statement!
    *I* was never anywhere near your nation, ever. So…why am I the one from whom you wish to collect? And, collect what? I have nothing myself yet you want me to cough up “reparations” for an alleged crime that my great great grandparents were supposed to have been involved in…..what does that have to do with me? Go to the cemetery and beg from the dead! Pshaw!

  113. Mehta sounds like a Jew: everything is owed to us because, 2000 year oppression, pogroms, holocaust, colonialism, slavery…

    Meanwhile, the House just passed house bill 1044 on Thursday which fast tracks 300,000 Indian nationals to green cards. Since it was never debated on the floor it needed 290 votes to pass the house, no problem since they got plenty of help(105 votes) from the GOP. The bill also scraps the per country 7% limit on green card allotment each year, and 10% per country cap on EB5, so we can be swamped with tens/hundreds million more Chindians…to all eternity, since there are 2.5 Billion of them.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  114. MBlanc46 says:
    @dfordoom

    A bad idea because they’ve allowed themselves to be shamed for it.

  115. MBlanc46 says:
    @ben tillman

    Well put. Will we ever recover from our fifty-year nervous collapse?

  116. J.Ross says:
    @Anonymous

    I’d rather we kept them out, and they said whatever they wanted.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
  117. MBlanc46 says:
    @indocon

    Well, you can begin the process of decolonization by buggering off.

    • Replies: @216
    , @StripsOfRed
  118. @L Woods

    I was thinking more tax impact per capita, but that too. Some earn a lot, and in turn provide generously towards federal coffers/

  119. dfordoom says: • Website
    @bomag

    When you start using immigration to punish for past wrongs, you end up punishing the innocent and thus adding more wrongs to the historical mix.

    I’m not talking about past wrongs. I’m talking about the present-day imperialist policies pursued by the U.S. and its faithful British lapdog.

    If Americans and Britons thought they were going to end up with all the refugees created by their governments’ policies then they might think a bit more carefully about the policies they support. They might even think about getting rid of their current elites.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @bomag
  120. @Marcus

    No

    Wow, totally destroyed.

    http://research.newamericaneconomy.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/NAE-AAPI-v14.pdf

    Page 11 for example. Asian American households make up only 5.3 percent of the households in the US, yet they contribute 7.4 percent of the total that goes towards taxes. This is very key for social security programs btw especially those involving seniors. In 1950, 16 workers were funding for one retiree. Now it’s 16.

    • Replies: @Marcus
  121. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Nah, Indians here are quite succesful. Higher incomes and home ownership rates than whites. And you probably are right, some whites are idiots, so I won’t question that. White seem to be pozzed more and more. One video after another of Debby for instance. Or the plethora of comments under social media posts, different pictures of teenagers with their token groid, or them abetting different acts of degeneracy etc etc. Indians aren’t completely cucked like that. If anything the poor values and idiots you’re talking about being prevalent here is not coming from browns, but from many whites

    • Replies: @216
  122. @Tired of Not Winning

    As the economic status of both countries inevitables improves, the immigration numbers from said countries will follow suit.

  123. @Marcus

    They aren’t

    More solid argumentation. Wow! Quite impressive!

    https://www.cfr.org/article/demographics-us-military

    Among enlisted recruits, 43 percent of men and 56 percent of women are Hispanic or a racial minority

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/13/6-facts-about-the-u-s-military-and-its-changing-demographics/

    Racial and ethnic minority groups made up 40% of Defense Department active-duty military in 2015

    More schtuff

    lacks made up 17% of the DOD active-duty military – somewhat higher than their share of the U.S. population ages 18 to 44 (13%

    • Replies: @Marcus
  124. @syonredux

    Does this mean that Kenyans get to immigrate to India…

    Heheheheh

    Many do go….and then the mobs descend on them for dealing drugs or bringing their trashy attitudes with them

  125. bomag says:
    @ben tillman

    Our societal nervous system has been hijacked.

    Diversity will do that to you.

  126. @Change that Matters

    He’s not Canadian.

    Ontario and anything Westward is a nation of European immigrants assimilated to WASP (White Anglo Saxon Protestants) norms. Quebec is a nation of French immigrants. The East Coast is a weird mix, mainly Celtic peoples.

    This fact makes 3rd worlders very, very angry. Usually right to the brink of violence. But it is what it is.

  127. 216 says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    You’re out of line here.

    There is also a significant divergence in terms of combat arms. For the support positions, the .mil is just another public sector job that provides good benefits and training.

    https://brandongaille.com/34-refreshing-us-army-demographics/

    Further, you are historically ignorant here wrt Vietnam; sadly not surprising for people that were effectively born yesterday. There weren’t all that many foreigners around to dodge the draft in the first place; but we could make an educated guess that some Europeans didn’t immigrate at this time due to the risk of being drafted.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  128. 216 says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Protesting irl requires a degree of social trust and organizational coordination. It also requires free time, which seniors have in abundance.

    Gen Y and Z have a lot less of this than the older generations. This is why I often encourage college-age people to join the leftist DSA group on campuses, as they teach people how to organize.

    The Anarcho-communist Antifa groups appear to be mostly white.

  129. 216 says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Higher incomes and home ownership rates than whites.

    The individualist white North American culture only prospers when society is predominantly made up of such people.

    Against collectivist extended family cultures, whites are out-competed despite the nominal privilege of being the “majority culture” and not having accented speech.

    There’s also another factor, your extended family wouldn’t have an emotional breakdown and disown you for poasting here. A sizeable number of whites would do this and consider it “altruistic punishment”. Our skittishness is reasonable under such circumstances. Particularly among women that have the misfortune of being on the whiplash of a social media mob.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  130. 216 says:
    @MBlanc46

    It is demoralizing that we treat allies with such contempt.

    The woke left has a place to marginalize its “white allies”, suppressing them within the progressive stack and directing them to subvert other whites.

    We can’t manage that, and I think that’s why we are losing. A sad fate for the one time masters of Divide and Conquer.

  131. @AndrewR

    When you perceive anyone demanding a flood of ‘migrants’ into places like Pakistan, Burma, or even Japan, come back and let us know. Until then maybe you should try more learning and less ranting.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  132. Mr. Anon says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Permit me to reply to your post with this considered response:

    F**k you.

  133. Mr. Anon says:
    @Whiskey

    Which is exactly why we need one. A long, hard War that makes GIs important and immigrants bimbos and grifters a heavy cost to be disposed of as quickly as possible.

    People die in wars.

    I hope you are one of them.

    • Replies: @Anon
  134. Mr. Anon says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Working for the colonial administrative offices makes you a colonialist now? How so?

    He was as much a colonialist as any English civil servant in India was.

    And, on an unrelated note: you know, you people and your crappy country were so easy to subjugate.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  135. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Whites seem to consider me Canadian. The vast majority of them. UNZ review does not actually mean anything and they certainly don’t skew the numbers because many people from here (not me of course) generally tend to be lowlife outcasts who are failing miserably in life so they naturally get mad, and when doing so, they obviously need an other to blame, which in turn leads to THIS. You’re one who has a problem with that. But the overwhelming majority of whites are fine with me being Canadian. That makes you mad as you have told me befoee

    • Replies: @216
  136. @216

    So your problems are as a result of your own foibles and personality flaws and because of indolence and an unwillingness to adapt yourselves to a changing economic climate? Got it.

    • Replies: @216
  137. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Indians are underrepresented in all crime, so that thesis on us committing violence is nullified

    • Replies: @216
  138. @Whiskey

    In slightly gentler terms, with apologies to Bane:

    “Victory has defeated the West.

    Peace has cost us our strength.”

  139. 216 says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    That chip on your shoulder really wants to make you lord it over us, eh?

    Ostracism has more than a non-zero cost. The very existence of this community is because the writers were blocked from access to the corporate media.

    Not all cultures consider subversion to be immoral. Nor do they place equal emphasis on fair play.

    Why must we be shamed for our lack of nepotism? Why not shame your own people for failing to adopt Anglo culture?

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  140. @Mr. Anon

    You don’t know my background or the background of my ancestors, nor their socioeconomic class. So that’s irrelevant.

    But hey now you admit you subjugated “us”. This is incrementally better than the constant denial pouring out of colonial apologist wiggers. Good! At least it’s a proper admission and not another lame deflection, or more backpedaling.

    See? It’s justified. You deserve it. Your own words highlight that simple fact. Consider this a form of penance for the injustices committed by your hands, and consider this merely you expressing atonement for the atrocities committed by you under the oppressive period of colonialism.

    Now look at what’s going on hahahahahahahahahahabaabahah

  141. 216 says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Take off the training wheels of nepotism and affirmative action.

    Take away the blinders of white guilt.

    You’d lose and you know it, that’s why you’re here after all.

    Every bloc vote for a leftist party, is imo a violent act.

  142. 216 says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    My culture is not your prom dress.

  143. 216 says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Well, yes

    Our culture has turned its back on God and will reap the grapes of wrath. So indeed we deserve it.

    But that does not excuse the font of degeneracy that you spout from.

  144. Ed says:
    @Curious

    Two children of India’s richest man married in the past year:

    A son actually married a Mehta, family is reported to be worth $5B and in the diamond business.

    BTW Indians have essentially muscled out the Jews in the diamond business in Antwerp. So much for the exalted Jewish dominance much commented upon here

    https://m.economictimes.com/magazines/panache/akash-ambani-shloka-mehta-to-tie-the-knot-on-march-9-pre-wedding-bash-in-switzerland-from-feb-23-25/articleshow/67879089.cms

    The daughter married an heir to a $4 billion business: https://www.vogue.in/content/isha-ambani-fiance-anand-piramal-details-everything-you-need-to-know

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  145. Marcus says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    44% of all Americans ages 18 to 44 were racial or ethnic minorities

    So no, they aren’t “highly overrepresented”

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  146. Marcus says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Blah, blah, blah. Parasites thrive when they have a healthy host, unremarkable. We ascended to be the world’s dominant superpower with an 89% white population.

  147. AndrewR says:
    @Mr McKenna

    You’re right. My bad. I forgot that [religious group] absolutely wants Japan to stay 99% Yamato. Thanks for clearing that up, champ.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  148. Anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jason Liu

    Jason Liu says:
    July 12, 2019 at 7:49 am GMT
    It’s not karmic anything, mass immigration is a problem western countries brought upon themselves with their liberal universalist values.”

    I respond;

    It’s certainly some of that, but also note the leading role of a certain people famous/infamous for destroying other people/other civilizations.

    The Emma Lazaruses
    William Kristols
    Ben Wattenbergs
    (Sadly) Milton Friedman
    The Wall Street financier who bribed the Sierra Club to never mention immigration again
    Jeff Zuckerbergs CNN
    The Southern Poverty Law Center

    All of these open border immigration zealots have something in common.

    They are all of the same tribe that gave the White West the plagues of

    Marxism
    Cultural Marxism
    Hard Core Porn
    Harvey Weinstein mass opening “D’jango Unchained” on Christmas Day!
    Endless Neo Conservative/Zionist wars for Israel and pretty much nobody else.

  149. Anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ed

    Ed writes:

    “BTW Indians have essentially muscled out the Jews in the diamond business in Antwerp. So much for the exalted Jewish dominance much commented upon here”

    I respond:

    Lots of formerly Jewish professions and Jewish places are no longer so.

    The stereotype of the Jewish merchant/Kaufman operating corner stores in rough urban areas of the United States, also formerly in Germany, Jewish merchants have been replaced by Arab $ stores, Korean grocers etc. The alien, immigrant merchant is always envied and hated in most times from Idi Amin kicking out Indian Asian merchants, to Vietnamese Communists driving out Han Chinese merchants, to LA Rodney King Black rioters targeting Koreans to Spike Lee’s God Awful “Do the Right Thing”.

    American Jews tend to think they’ll dominate American Liberal Democrat politics forever or that they will always be counted on to be the #1 supporter of Black Civil Rights – these things might not last forever.

    My Chicago lost our first Jewish Mayor – Rahm Emanuel who might as well have been sent from Central Casting as the international Jew (father was in the Irgun terrorist group, Rahm served in the IDF, then went in to Black Lib Democrat politics, brother is a big shot Hollywood agent). Rahm just got replaced by a BlackLiesMatter lesbian mayor Lightfoot, but we now have another stereotypical Jew BJ Pritzker (rich, fat Jew boy) as our Illinois Governor.

  150. @BengaliCanadianDude

    [T]he mobs descend on them for dealing drugs or bringing their trashy attitudes with them.

    Ho ho! Har har!

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  151. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Consider this a form of penance

    You must have a very low self worth, if you view having to live with Indians as a “penance”. It’s a penalty to live with you? I tend to agree, based on how Indians act, in India and in Canada.

    But this argument that is now being presented does show a lack of self respect. Quite clearly, living with 3rd worlders will bring us down and they know their culture is shit, this appears to just be a new form of coping.

    • Agree: Marcus
    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  152. @216

    Of course they know it. They know that they are beings from a horrible culture, and not good people. Hence the new narrative of their presence “punishing” us for our past “sins”.

  153. syonredux says:
    @dfordoom

    If Americans and Britons thought they were going to end up with all the refugees created by their governments’ policies then they might think a bit more carefully about the policies they support. They might even think about getting rid of their current elites.

    Nope. They are too controlled.

  154. syonredux says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Working for the colonial administrative offices makes you a colonialist now? How so?

    Get WOKE, bigot.Working for colonizers in a country that is not yours makes you a colonizer/colonizer ally.

    Idi Amin did what had to be done:

    In early August 1972, the President of Uganda, Idi Amin, ordered the expulsion of his country’s South Asian minority, giving them 90 days to leave the country.[1] At the time of the expulsion, there were approximately 80,000 individuals of South Asian descent (mostly Gujaratis[2][3]) in Uganda, of whom 23,000 had had their applications for citizenship both processed and accepted.[4] Although the latter were ultimately exempted from the expulsion, many chose to leave voluntarily.[5] The expulsion took place against a backdrop of Indophobia in Uganda, with Amin accusing a minority of the Asian population of disloyalty, non-integration and commercial malpractice, claims Indian leaders disputed.[4] Amin defended the expulsion by arguing that he was “giving Uganda back to ethnic Ugandans”.[5]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Asians_from_Uganda

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  155. @Prester John

    Since when was India known as a producer of diamonds?

    India was the world’s only source of diamonds from antiquity to the mid 1700s.

  156. syonredux says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Does this mean that Kenyans get to immigrate to India…

    Heheheheh

    Many do go….and then the mobs descend on them for dealing drugs or bringing their trashy attitudes with them

    That must be stopped. Backs have the moral right to live in every country.

    • Replies: @Malla
  157. syonredux says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Does this mean that Kenyans get to immigrate to India…

    Heheheheh

    Many do go….and then the mobs descend on them for dealing drugs or bringing their trashy attitudes with them

    That must be stopped. Blacks have the moral right to live in every country.

    • Replies: @Malla
  158. bomag says:
    @dfordoom

    It kind-of works the way you suggest: we raise up our leaders.

    But in many ways it doesn’t, and immigration-as-punishment ends up harming the innocent.

    If the colonized and exploited are so to be admired, maybe they could target the policymakers and bureaucrats that actually carried out said transgressions, instead of beating up Joe the plumber and taking his stuff.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  159. @216

    Affirmative action works against indians, and the discrimination lawsuit pretty much showcased that. Then there was Mindy Kalings brother on Tucker Carlson

    • Replies: @Marcus
  160. @syonredux

    LOL he’s actually defending Idi Amin. oh well. Doesn’t matter. His own people hated him, and he died a loser and a loner. And after him, the administrations rushed to invite the Indians back because they knew how important they were. Mugabe or Malema don’t seem like bad guys to me either

    • Replies: @syonredux
  161. Mr. Anon says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    You don’t know my background or the background of my ancestors, nor their socioeconomic class. So that’s irrelevant.

    Well, I’m guessing Bengali based on your handle “BengaliCanadianDude”.

    But hey now you admit you subjugated “us”.

    No. Britain subjugated you (pretty easily, I might add). That ain’t my country.

    As to any other response your post warrants, see my post above.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  162. @216

    Nepotism? Everybody participates in nepotism, all cultures do, to varying degrees. Whites aren’t of course excluded from this either. Indians aren’t subversive. Indians have accepted parts of Anglo culture and many of them have fully integrated within their respected communities.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  163. syonredux says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    LOL he’s actually defending Idi Amin.

    You need to get WOKE. Amin fought back against colonialism. And the Indians in Africa were oppressing Blacks.

    oh well. Doesn’t matter. His own people hated him, and he died a loser and a loner. And after him, the administrations rushed to invite the Indians back because they knew how important they were.

    Racist colonizers undermined him.

    Mugabe or Malema don’t seem like bad guys to me either

    That’s better. You’re half-way there. Now, Accept your hereditary guilt for aiding and abetting the colonial exploitation of Africa……

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  164. @Autochthon

    Great. So? My ancestors are not even from that part of India, and we certainly aren’t dalits

  165. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Oh no not that. You’re lucky to live “beside” us. I am talking about the immigration they get from black countries and latino countries and the mediterranean. I was talking more about the numbers.

    • Replies: @Marcus
  166. @Mr. Anon

    Well, I’m guessing Bengali based on your handle “BengaliCanadianDude”.

    That’s only one part. A tiny figment of the genetic mosaic that I am. now the socieeconomic one? class? place in society?

    Britain subjugated you (pretty easily, I might add)

    “You” lol. My ancestors profiteered off of it, and they made plenty of bank for themselves. What?

    Good. You subjucated “us”. So now it’s justified

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  167. bomag says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Some earn a lot, and in turn provide generously towards federal coffers

    Still a bad plan in general; announcing that you are going improve a country’s economics by increasing immigration is like announcing you are going to make people happier by giving them drugs.

    I’d rather be poor in a supportive ethnostate than rich and heading for extinction in a globohomo free for all.

    As an extreme example, if aliens from the system Xanadu are ten times as productive, innovative, beautiful, and athletic, we don’t cede our planet to them when they show up in orbit announcing they are here to replace us with something better.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  168. Anon[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    He won’t be.

    IDF doesn’t fight wars anymore. It has America for that.

  169. @MBlanc46

    Wow, without PoC allies who really want to live a white majority murica, pussyfoot whites such as yourself have NO (zilch/nada) chance of ever taking the country (or a part thereof) back

    I know some Indians who hate the fact that so many of their erstwhile countrymen are coming here. They know something we don’t (but are slowly learning the hard way) that with enough Indians at positions of power and wealth here, even at 5% of the total population, they’d make this a terrible place. They KNOW the culture and why it sucks far more than we do (but as I said, we are seeing that as well). These India hating Indians are actually very big allies. They know the place, know the culture and know how to counter these super argumentative subcons

    In short, these folks are indispensable if we have to ever take a part of our country back

  170. @syonredux

    Indians have no morals. They will sell out to whoever is on the “winning” side. The Portugese noticed this when first colonizing Goa. The Indians would fight “with” the Muslims only to abandon them when they fell behind in the combat.

    Indians are fighting with the SJW left right now because they feel like the white man is losing to these anti-white forces. If the KKK was a powerful cultural influence, Indians would be dressed up in sheets heiling Hitler.

    They have no originality or thought process. They will always be subservient to somebody, hence their inferiority complex and power hungry desire to rule. The Indian paradox.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
  171. @AndrewR

    Do tell, how many millions of third-world migrants is Japan forced to accept every year? 10 million? 20 million maybe? Close even? Admittedly, I stuck Japan there at the end because I knew it would trip you up. It was like taking candy from a baby. A particularly slow baby.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  172. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Nepotism? Everybody participates in nepotism, all cultures do, to varying degrees. Whites aren’t of course excluded from this either.

    Whites are culturally prohibited from it, in particular the ‘ethnic’ variety so familiar in the third world and among the Chosen. Whites, in fact, are culturally (and often legally) enjoined specifically to prefer those from other cultures to their own. How many other groups can you name for which this is true?

    Obviously, the question is rhetorical, for you know these facts as well as I or anyone else here. Bye now.

  173. Marcus says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Lmao then why are you so keen on being classed as Asians with the yellows you despise so much?

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  174. indocon says:
    @indocon

    I am the least of your problems, there are 1k sub-continentals arriving every day who hate you with their guts.

    I on the other hand may know what ails your civilization more than even you do, and willing to do my part to fix it.

  175. @Marcus

    When you say something, make sure it makes sense.

    Nowhere have I said that and I would prefer there be a separate South Asian category.

    South Asians are Asians. It’s that simple and it’s a broad category that would help keep things simple.

    So many unfounded assumptions being made here it’s making me laugh. Your entire argumentation is riddled with unconfirmed hypotheticals.

    Low life, low intelligence turd keeps replying to me with these idiotic sentences

    • Replies: @Marcus
  176. @Marcus

    Read the links you parasitic troglodyte. The facts are there, and they are quite conclusive of a changing demographic trend within the armed forces. The empirical data is highly explicit about the findings that come from the surveys/polls

  177. Marcus says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    No dumbshit, subcons did lobby to be counted as Asians instead of White to get access to federal aid in starting their shitty businesses. Subcons have never been considered Asian in the US, it’s a transparent effort to stake out a share of gibs and victimhood points
    https://vdare.com/letters/a-civil-servant-writes-to-say-that-what-we-said-about-the-sba-and-minorities-was-is-all-a-lie

  178. Marcus says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Yes Canada was a hellhole before the aromatization of its cities with curry by these lovely creatures

  179. AndrewR says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Lol yes Japan is forced to accept 15% of it’s population every single year in third worlders, just like the US!

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  180. Mr. Anon says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    That’s only one part. A tiny figment of the genetic mosaic that I am.

    It seems rather important to you, given that you put it first in your screen-name. You are the one self-identifying as a street-sh**ter.

    Good. You subjucated “us”. So now it’s justified

    You are evidently an incoherent retard.

    And based on what you write, why should I consider you as anything other than an enemy. Again – F**k you.

  181. Hunsdon says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    When they come over to our side, we shall be sure to put them on the front lines
    Where the casualty ratios are the highest.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  182. Marcus says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    You know the room temperature IQ subcon Google search scholar cares more about his fellow third worlders than anti-White ressentiment when he dismisses their courageous struggle against a bloodthirsty, decades-old tyranny, effectively denying them any agency outside of what Whites may grant them. Almost no Libyans outside of Qaddafi’s tribal circle will shed a tear for that shitty regime, if you told them to, they’d give your scrawny Mowgli ass a well-deserved thrashing.

  183. @Hunsdon

    no such thing as “we”. Just an isolated group of lonely, loser outcasts(ie you)

  184. @AndrewR

    No kidding, genius. But it’s not ten percent is it. It’s not even one percent, is it. As I said, you are particularly slow. Sorry but I may have to ignore your trolling henceforth, as I prefer interlocutors who are at least smart, funny, and honest, or at least two of three. You’re zero for three, to put it kindly.

  185. Malla says:
    @syonredux

    Sorry buddy, a lot of Indians are subversive. And Anglos are nothing as nepotic as we are.

  186. Malla says:
    @syonredux

    Blacks have the moral right to live in every country.

    But Indians have the bad habit of not tolerating TNB. Blacks face backlash in nearly any place they go to due to TNB.

  187. Malla says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Can I add countries like France to that?

    Why should the common people in the West pay for what their slimeball elites did?

    get colonial earnings from many Subsaharan African countries to this day.

    An economy like France does not need any colonial earnings from tin pot countries. Even during French Rule, France was making money only 2 years out of three from her Empire.

    And this immigration as a result of colonialism is pure B.S. Turkey should be filled with Arabs, Serbs, Greeks etc.. for the Ottoman Empire. Ireland had no colonies and yet blacks and browns are causing a nuisance there. Sweden did not rule Somalia or Iraq or Syria, yet the low IQ migrants bleat and bray about ‘colonialism’.

  188. Malla says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Colonialism is great, Europeans got a ton of resources and wealth from the 3rd world people.

    What rubbish! Many of the Colonial Empires were losing money. It is hard to make money in brown black world.The Chinese will find this out soon enough.

  189. Malla says:
    @Malla

    France was making money only 2 years out of three from her Empire.

    Sorry one year out of three. France made money only 1 year out of 3 during the French Empire.

    Whereas french colonisation cost more than it yielded 2 years out of 3.
    2.1 % of French GDP was spent on an average in her colonies each year during about a century…
    That is 3 times more than the OECD recommendation established in 1969 for ODA (0.7% of GDP).
    That is overall the equivalent of 7 European Recovery Program (“Marshall Plan” as we say in France) that was GIVEN, not lent, to the colonies by France.
    It is a proven fact by french historians(cf Jacques Marseille and Daniel Lefeuvre works).

  190. @Malla

    Somalia is different. The crime in Ireland is mainly done by other whites. Irrelevant. France still leeches off of the current countries. And they did so in the past. Hurt them awfully.

    • Replies: @Malla
  191. Malla says:

    The crime in Ireland is mainly done by other whites.

    There has been a massive rise in black crime in Ireland.

    France still leeches off of the current countries. And they did so in the past.

    As far as the “leeching” of the past, check post 198.

    When you mean leech? Do you mean the so called colonial tax taken by France BS floating around on the internet? That is a urban legend and nobody could give a source.

    What we do know is that there are 14 countries in Africa that use currencies (the West African franc and the Central African franc) backed by the treasury of France. Twelve of these countries are former colonies of France and two later adopted the CFA – both currencies share the same acronym.

    [MORE]

    These currencies have always been at a pegged exchange rate, first with the franc, then with the euro. They both share the same value, but are not transferable (you can’t spend one inside the area of the other currency).

    The countries that use the CFA currencies are required to maintain a 20 billion dollar balance in France to act as a reserve to stabilize the currency. $20 billion is not half a trillion. Basically France holds 50% of their cash reserves on their behalf (not 65%, let alone 85%), i.e. about $20 billion. For a huge economy like France, it’s a pretty small sum. The French state cannot access these funds. They still belongs to the countries that have deposited them. They can withdraw them should they decide to spend some of their reserves. Whatever interest is made is redistributed to them. The reserves aren’t converted into French francs. They stay in CFA francs. Since the French franc does not exist, even as an accounting unit, it can not devalue. The CFA franc exchange rate is fixed to the euro.

    The arrangement is voluntary. Every CFA franc member is free to withdraw from it (& withdraw their money). The countries that operate with these currencies are free to leave the arrangement at any time. Mali left the currency and later rejoined. One former Portugese colony and one former Spanish colony have opted into the system, without having previous ties to France. So none are forced to hand over money to France.

    The reserve is not a tax. It is a reserve of funds. It does not need to be paid annually. The money earns a small (0.75% IIRC) but positive annual interest. Comparable or better than many central banks today. In other words, the Banque de France withholds a large portion of the member countries’ reserves. Calling that a tax and unfair spoliation takes a rather one-sided view: Through this system, the Banque de France, backed by the French state, effectively plays the role of externalised Central Bank to the CFA-zone member countries.

    What that means is that not only do they do much of the work (including artificially maintaining a currency – the franc – which isn’t in circulation anymore, because this is what has been agreed upon the CFA would be indexed on), it also means that, should any of the CFA countries experience a financial crisis, government shutdown or anything else that would normally affect the currency, the Banque de France is on the hook for them (yet while having very little control over what these states actually do – pretty similar to the Euro only if the zone was almost entirely made up of extreme Greces).

    Now, all the CFA states have a track-record of unreliable economic figures and bad book-keeping (meaning finding out what is actually going on is very difficult), over-spending, corruption and high reliance on natural resource exports (subject to significant price variations). Furthermore, the independence of their institutions such as the central bank is not guaranteed (quite the opposite).So the question is not so much whether there will be crises the Banque de France will have to pay and use the reserves for – rather when and how often they happen. The withheld reserves therefore can be seen as a combination of a management fee and an insurance premium.

    Is it a good system? Debatable, and be it just because of these kinds of red-herring discussions, I would want to say no. Plus, it may indeed be time for the former colonies to cut these kinds of ties with the former coloniser. But it is in no way a “tax for the benefits of slavery and colonisation”. Nor is the fact that many of the banks (including private ones) in the area invest most of their capital in French Treasury bonds, instead of their own economies.

    The rumour of the “colonial tax” has its origin in the monetary spaces that France created in Africa in order to guarantee some economical stability in these regions.

    While there is a lot of valid criticism towards these monetary zones, some people have recently been playing on the ignorance of the masses on these issues to give a very deformed view and claim something like “former French colonies have to pay 50% of their GDP to France as a colonial-tax”. A pity that there is no international treaty nor any sort of bookkeeping that substantiate this.

    A quick internet search reveals several, almost identical articles repeating the accusation of a colonial tax, but none are sourced. Africa today is often very vocal about exploitation by non-African countries, and yet this ‘colonial tax’ is only discussed in variations of a single article.

    Even the anti-colonial pro-African French left press has largely debunked it :

    http://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/article/2017/02/22/confusions-autour-d-un-impot-colonial-et-du-franc-cfa_5083833_4355770.html
    http://www.liberation.fr/desintox/2017/02/22/non-les-pays-africains-ne-versent-pas-un-impot-colonial-a-la-france_1550206

    So the answer is no, there is no such thing as a colonial tax. There are, however, a lot of people that claim the opposite, some of whom with very sinister motivations.

    The closest money transfer actually gets to a colonial tax is that many African government leaders sponsor candidates and parties in political elections in France, hoping they will support their interests. As an example, in early 2012 Mediapart revealed that a huge chunk of money from Nicolas Sarkozy’s election campaign came from Kadafi and that explained a large part of his eagerness to help Libian rebels to overthrow their dictator. But that is obviously not a tax either – first of all, not only is it not mandated by law, it is actively against it; The money goes to political parties, not the state; And the purpose is to butter politicians up so they will increase development aid payments to the dictators’ states, which only makes sense if they get more out of it than they pay in.

    Actually Europe has contributed huge sums to African development. It probably exceeds US$1 trillion. Other estimates are lower. Today, France is the prime lender and biggest development aid provider to most of its former colonies.

    PART of the problem is that European devotion to socialism meant that post-colonial African leaders pursued big-government socialist policies and EU aid also reinforces African socialism . Meaning that all the European aid went into an African black hole of wealth destroying socialist policies. (The same economic socialist policies that destroyed the Soviet Union and is drowning Europe in an ocean of debt).

  192. Malla says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    The crime in Ireland is mainly done by other whites.

    There has been a massive rise in black crime in Ireland.

    France still leeches off of the current countries. And they did so in the past.

    As far as the “leeching” of the past, check post 198.

    [MORE]

    When you mean leech? Do you mean the so called colonial tax taken by France BS floating around on the internet? That is a urban legend and nobody could give a source.

    What we do know is that there are 14 countries in Africa that use currencies (the West African franc and the Central African franc) backed by the treasury of France. Twelve of these countries are former colonies of France and two later adopted the CFA – both currencies share the same acronym.

    These currencies have always been at a pegged exchange rate, first with the franc, then with the euro. They both share the same value, but are not transferable (you can’t spend one inside the area of the other currency).

    The countries that use the CFA currencies are required to maintain a 20 billion dollar balance in France to act as a reserve to stabilize the currency. $20 billion is not half a trillion. Basically France holds 50% of their cash reserves on their behalf (not 65%, let alone 85%), i.e. about $20 billion. For a huge economy like France, it’s a pretty small sum. The French state cannot access these funds. They still belongs to the countries that have deposited them. They can withdraw them should they decide to spend some of their reserves. Whatever interest is made is redistributed to them. The reserves aren’t converted into French francs. They stay in CFA francs. Since the French franc does not exist, even as an accounting unit, it can not devalue. The CFA franc exchange rate is fixed to the euro.

    The arrangement is voluntary. Every CFA franc member is free to withdraw from it (& withdraw their money). The countries that operate with these currencies are free to leave the arrangement at any time. Mali left the currency and later rejoined. One former Portugese colony and one former Spanish colony have opted into the system, without having previous ties to France. So none are forced to hand over money to France.

    The reserve is not a tax. It is a reserve of funds. It does not need to be paid annually. The money earns a small (0.75% IIRC) but positive annual interest. Comparable or better than many central banks today. In other words, the Banque de France withholds a large portion of the member countries’ reserves. Calling that a tax and unfair spoliation takes a rather one-sided view: Through this system, the Banque de France, backed by the French state, effectively plays the role of externalised Central Bank to the African CFA-zone member countries.

    What that means is that not only do the French do much of the work (including artificially maintaining a currency – the franc – which isn’t in circulation anymore, because this is what has been agreed upon the CFA would be indexed on), it also means that, should any of the African CFA countries experience a financial crisis, government shutdown or anything else that would normally affect the currency, the Banque de France is on the hook for them (yet while having very little control over what these African states actually do!!!! – pretty similar to the Euro only if the zone was almost entirely made up of EXTREME Greces on steroids!!!! I mean Greece is a far far far more reliable economy than these African CFA-zone member countries, compared to these African countries, Greece is a Japan!!).

    Now, all the African CFA states have a track-record of unreliable economic figures and bad book-keeping (meaning finding out what is actually going on is very difficult), over-spending, corruption and high reliance on natural resource exports (subject to significant price variations). Furthermore, the independence of their institutions such as the central bank is not guaranteed (quite the opposite).So the question is not so much whether there will be crises the Banque de France will have to pay and use the reserves for – rather when and how often they happen. The withheld reserves therefore can be seen as a combination of a management fee and an insurance premium.

    Is it a good system? Debatable, and be it just because of these kinds of red-herring discussions, I would want to say no. Plus, it may indeed be time for the former colonies to cut these kinds of ties with the former coloniser. But it is in no way a “tax for the benefits of slavery and colonisation”. Nor is the fact that many of the banks (including private ones) in the area invest most of their capital in French Treasury bonds, instead of their own economies.

    The rumour of the “colonial tax” thus has its origin in the monetary spaces that France created in Africa in order to guarantee some economical stability in these regions. While there is a lot of valid criticism towards these monetary zones, some people have recently been playing on the ignorance of the masses on these issues to give a very deformed view and claim something like “former French colonies have to pay 50% of their GDP to France as a colonial-tax”. A pity that there is no international treaty nor any sort of bookkeeping that substantiate this.

    A quick internet search reveals several, almost identical articles repeating the accusation of a colonial tax, but none are sourced. Africa today is often very vocal about exploitation by non-African countries, and yet this ‘colonial tax’ is only discussed in variations of a single article.

    Even the anti-colonial pro-African French left press has largely debunked it :

    http://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/article/2017/02/22/confusions-autour-d-un-impot-colonial-et-du-franc-cfa_5083833_4355770.html
    http://www.liberation.fr/desintox/2017/02/22/non-les-pays-africains-ne-versent-pas-un-impot-colonial-a-la-france_1550206

    So the answer is no, there is no such thing as a colonial tax. There are, however, a lot of people that claim the opposite, some of whom with very sinister motivations.

    The closest money transfer actually gets to a colonial tax is that many African government leaders sponsor candidates and parties in political elections in France, hoping they will support their interests. As an example, in early 2012 Mediapart revealed that a huge chunk of money from Nicolas Sarkozy’s election campaign came from Kadafi and that explained a large part of his eagerness to help Libian rebels to overthrow their dictator. But that is obviously not a tax either – first of all, not only is it not mandated by law, it is actively against it; The money goes to political parties, not the state; And the purpose is to butter politicians up so they will increase development aid payments to the dictators’ states, which only makes sense if they get more out of it than they pay in.

    Actually Europe has contributed huge sums to African development. It probably exceeds US$1 trillion. Other estimates are lower. Today, France is the prime lender and biggest development aid provider to most of its former colonies.

    PART of the problem is that European devotion to socialism meant that post-colonial African leaders pursued big-government socialist policies and EU aid also reinforces African socialism . Meaning that all the European aid went into an African black hole of wealth destroying socialist policies. (The same economic socialist policies that destroyed the Soviet Union and is drowning Europe in an ocean of debt).

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