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From commenter Altai:

My uncle used to deal with asylum cases. He told me that at one point so many Sudanese would pretend to be Christian on the basis of the typical discrimination against Christians in Sudan.

Before the breakup of the country into mostly Muslim Sudan and mostly Christian South Sudan.

He could tell by visual inspection that they weren’t fully Bantu and thus likely ethnically Sudanese and unlikely to be Christian. But he couldn’t note such a thing in an assessment so he then proceeded to ask them very simple questions about Christianity that even somebody with no theological interest but from a Christian community, would know. They could never answer even simple questions. They didn’t even bother looking any of it up.

There is no individual effort in asylum seeking since the internet became widespread. That Sudanese guy my uncle spoke to hadn’t thought this Christian gambit on his own, if he had he’d have looked into it. Every step, every lie is on a printout they got from the internet. The sites tell them what they’re entitled to and even how to scam more welfare. What the welfare is in each country along with how easy it is to get asylum in each country.

But as Bret Stephens explained in the New York Times:

I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers …

Immigrants are better than us. Just because the Internet and smartphones have made immigration fraud a piece of cake doesn’t mean we should start being skeptical of immigration. If so, pretty soon we’ll start hearing that great-grandpa arriving on the Lower East Side in 1906 wasn’t as hard as pioneering the West in 1800 or being a Pilgrim in 1620, and that is unacceptable.

Altai continues:

This is the primary factor for the explosion in such behaviour since the early 2000s. The worst example were the near constant flow of South Asian ‘Syrians’ getting off the trains in Germany or maybe the 6’3 pale-skinned, light eyed Albanian ‘Syrians’ I saw walking into Sweden. Of course, most of the asylum seekers from countries at war were not in danger when they made their way to Europe in the past either, nor did they ever come home when the wars ended.

The early waves in the 90s from Somali and the Balkans may have led to the first industrial gaming of the system. Ali Hirsi once admitted that she and her family lied to gain asylum in the Netherlands. As, I expect, did Zlatan in Sweden, but hey, he turned out to be good at football so only all his relatives are violent criminals and not him too.

The constitution of the Republic of Ireland was changed because of this, removing birth-right citizenship from individuals without the right of permanent residency after thousands of pregnant Nigerian women flooded the main maternity ward after this fact was discovered and disseminated over the internet. Virtually all of the Nigerian immigration to Europe is based on blatant asylum fraud.

The Eritrean pretending to be Ethiopian is another oldie but a goodie because a Western official has no way of being able to tell them apart.

When I lived in the Uptown neighborhood in Chicago, there were lots of identical-looking Eritreans and Ethiopians. But if you tried to guess which one they were, they’d get offended that you had confused them with their mortal enemies.

 
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  2. The constitution of the Republic of Ireland was changed because of this, removing birth-right citizenship from individuals without the right of permanent residency after thousands of pregnant Nigerian women flooded the main maternity ward after this fact was discovered and disseminated over the Internet.

    Few know this.

    Seems like something we should study and learn from.

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    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    The Irish also made trespass on land a criminal, rather than a civil offence some thirty years back, at which point criminal traveller gangs in Ireland upped sticks for the UK.

    Google "traveller slavery UK".

    , @Anonymous
    Actually, the UK government of Margaret Thatcher did the same back in 1983, tearing up hundreds of years of legal precedent.

    That was, of course, before the Blair era.
    , @Neoconned
    The US and Canada are actually the last 2 Western nation's to still have birthright citizenship.

    Anyway if as Whiskey puts it, our women are kicking the doors open to foreigners to attract new alpha then let's at least have fun w this. As some on here have opined....a true Trumpian immigration policy will work great....

    Invite in say 30 million women between the ages of say 18 and 35. Being serious. ONLY WOMEN w no kids and no man.

    Watch your dating market opportunities open up suddenly. Catch is they must me marry an American man.

    Watch that border slam shut faster than a cheetah on the Savannah
    , @res

    Few know this.
     
    Indeed. I am amazed not to have heard about this until now.

    More information about Ireland's 2004 constitutional amendment ending birthright citizenship: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland

    Also interesting was that an article enabling birthright citizenship appeared in an earlier (1998) amendment enabling the Good Friday Agreement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteenth_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland

    The 1998 amendment received a 94% yes vote in the referendum while the 2004 amendment received a 79% yes vote.

    Irish constitutional amendments are determined by a simple majority vote in a referendum after approval by both houses of parliment (the president signs it, but that appears to be a formality, no veto power): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amendments_to_the_Constitution_of_Ireland
    , @Sean
    It is often forgotten that the Rivers Of Blood speech was about an Englishman who was emigrating. Ireland did not have any ( net) immigration between 2009 and 2016. The capable natives leaving their European countries is something people, with the exception of Gunnar Heinsohn (and Frank Field in the BBC Enoch Powell documentary), have stopped talking about. Things are changing faster than it looks at first blush.

    Some people say the increase in the workforce is the main driver of economic growth (doubling the workforce explaining the decades of recent strong growth). Stuffing the advanced countries full of economically active people (expected to become scarce in future) is a necessity according to mainstream received wisdom. But in Europe they are going to lose their more qualified people than they get.

    Taxes are going to have to be put up and benefits cut before Darwinism's Evil Twin (artificial intelligence) removes the necessity of an able workforce. All those redundant people (50% of the population) are not going just take drugs and play computer games. And if they let strong AI onto the internet, 1000% of human beings will not just be economically redundant, they'll cease to exist.

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  3. OT – don’t know if anyone’s posted this, via hbdchick’s twitter.

    https://www.navytimes.com/breaking-news/2017/11/01/navy-crews-at-fault-in-fatal-collisions-investigations-find/

    “The report reveals that both collisions came after critical failures of officers and sailors on the bridge and raises troubling questions about the basic proficiency of the Japan-based 7th Fleet and the surface Navy as a whole.

    In both incidents, sailors on the bridge failed to sound a ship-wide alarm notifying the crew of danger, which is a standard Navy procedure.

    Ships at sea must sound five short blasts of the ship’s whistle to alert the crew and the other ship of a coming collision. That did not occur in either collision. Neither the crew members below deck nor the other ships involved had any warning from the Navy that their ships were headed for disaster, the reports found.”

    But it’s all good in what little remains of the Royal Navy.

    “The captain of a Trident nuclear submarine has been stripped of his command over claims that he had an affair with a female junior officer.
    Senior commanders were sent to the vessel in international waters after allegations emerged of an ‘inappropriate relationship’ with the woman, it was reported.
    Stuart Armstrong, commanding officer of the Vanguard-class submarine HMS Vigilant, has been relieved of duties while he is under investigation.

    The affair allegations come after the Navy’s first female warship captain, Sarah West, was released from her command of the frigate HMS Portland over an affair with a married officer in 2014 – claims both denied.

    Women were banned from serving on submarines until 2011. But in 2014, three female lieutenants became the first in the fleet’s 113-year history. ”

    Or is it?

    “One of the Royal Navy’s flagship destroyers has become embroiled in a sex crimes scandal after an officer was suspended while facing allegations from servicewomen of sexual harassment and rape.

    The Sunday Times has learnt that an officer on HMS Daring is under investigation by navy police after “several” women came forward to make complaints about his conduct during a deployment to the Middle East.”

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    A little known fact - the EU forced the UK to accede to 'full female equality' in armed forces personnel.

    Likely, the UK would have been 'progressive' anyway and moved with these degenerate times, but the EU still forced it.
    , @Jack D
    Men and women confined together on a ship or submarine had sex with each other? Who could have imagined that this would happen? We all know that sailors take sacred vows of celibacy that they would never dare to breach.
    , @Dan Hayes
    YetAnotherAnon:

    These modern-day episodes follow in the hallowed and grand traditions of the Royal Navy:

    "The traditions of the Royal Navy are rum, sodomy and the lash" - Winston Churchill.
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  4. @27 year old

    The constitution of the Republic of Ireland was changed because of this, removing birth-right citizenship from individuals without the right of permanent residency after thousands of pregnant Nigerian women flooded the main maternity ward after this fact was discovered and disseminated over the Internet.
     
    Few know this.

    Seems like something we should study and learn from.

    The Irish also made trespass on land a criminal, rather than a civil offence some thirty years back, at which point criminal traveller gangs in Ireland upped sticks for the UK.

    Google “traveller slavery UK”.

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    It is common to see gangs of Irish Gypsies on shoplifting expeditions around here
    , @Bill Jones
    " criminal traveller gangs"The word you are trying not to use is Gypsy.

    There, that didn't hurt, now, did it?
    , @Roderick Spode
    In Ireland we call them "knackers." Such a wretched embarrassment
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  5. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Interesting comment by Bret Stephens.

    As long as I’ve lived, I’ve often heard the phrase that ‘America “rightfully” belongs to the Native Americans, (that is Amerindians)’.
    Generally speaking, white Americans usually humbly and quietly acceded to that line, as in the strictest ‘moral’ terms of the ‘law of primogeniture’ , (as opposed to ‘right of conquest’ , which is essentially the institutionalization of violence), it is very hard to refute.

    Now – as ‘coincidentally’ the vast vast majority of immigrants into the USA are not white, certain quartets feel free to mouth loudly what was once the ultimate blasphemy in ‘polite’ circles.

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Except it was never legitimate to argue that America "really belonged to the Natives." The "Native Americans" have never been a monolithic group. They were fighting and conquering each other way before Chris Columbus was even a twinkle in his daddy's eye. And going farther back, there were multiple waves of migrants crossing the Bering land bridge. It's all but certain that no one in 1500, let alone today, was descended entirely from the first people to cross over from Siberia.
    , @Pericles

    As long as I’ve lived, I’ve often heard the phrase that ‘America “rightfully” belongs to the Native Americans, (that is Amerindians)’.

     

    Just like Haiti, one supposes.
    , @Samuel Skinner
    Technically they don't since each tribe was its own individual nation; this means some areas no longer have any claimants (since they are all dead- not all by settlers hands either) and some never did (since they were uninhabitable).
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  6. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @27 year old

    The constitution of the Republic of Ireland was changed because of this, removing birth-right citizenship from individuals without the right of permanent residency after thousands of pregnant Nigerian women flooded the main maternity ward after this fact was discovered and disseminated over the Internet.
     
    Few know this.

    Seems like something we should study and learn from.

    Actually, the UK government of Margaret Thatcher did the same back in 1983, tearing up hundreds of years of legal precedent.

    That was, of course, before the Blair era.

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    More on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nationality_law#British_citizenship_by_birth_in_the_United_Kingdom_or_a_qualified_British_Overseas_Territory
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  7. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - don't know if anyone's posted this, via hbdchick's twitter.

    https://www.navytimes.com/breaking-news/2017/11/01/navy-crews-at-fault-in-fatal-collisions-investigations-find/


    "The report reveals that both collisions came after critical failures of officers and sailors on the bridge and raises troubling questions about the basic proficiency of the Japan-based 7th Fleet and the surface Navy as a whole.

    In both incidents, sailors on the bridge failed to sound a ship-wide alarm notifying the crew of danger, which is a standard Navy procedure.

    Ships at sea must sound five short blasts of the ship’s whistle to alert the crew and the other ship of a coming collision. That did not occur in either collision. Neither the crew members below deck nor the other ships involved had any warning from the Navy that their ships were headed for disaster, the reports found."
     

    But it's all good in what little remains of the Royal Navy.

    "The captain of a Trident nuclear submarine has been stripped of his command over claims that he had an affair with a female junior officer.
    Senior commanders were sent to the vessel in international waters after allegations emerged of an ‘inappropriate relationship’ with the woman, it was reported.
    Stuart Armstrong, commanding officer of the Vanguard-class submarine HMS Vigilant, has been relieved of duties while he is under investigation.

    The affair allegations come after the Navy’s first female warship captain, Sarah West, was released from her command of the frigate HMS Portland over an affair with a married officer in 2014 – claims both denied.

    Women were banned from serving on submarines until 2011. But in 2014, three female lieutenants became the first in the fleet’s 113-year history. "
     

    Or is it?

    "One of the Royal Navy’s flagship destroyers has become embroiled in a sex crimes scandal after an officer was suspended while facing allegations from servicewomen of sexual harassment and rape.

    The Sunday Times has learnt that an officer on HMS Daring is under investigation by navy police after “several” women came forward to make complaints about his conduct during a deployment to the Middle East."
     

    A little known fact – the EU forced the UK to accede to ‘full female equality’ in armed forces personnel.

    Likely, the UK would have been ‘progressive’ anyway and moved with these degenerate times, but the EU still forced it.

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    Untrue,

    there are so many blatant lies about the EU in Britain it's not even funny. Not sure why you don't stick with the truths. They're bad enough.

    The EU only asked Britain to review the rule. Nothing else...
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  8. Wilkey says:

    “The Eritrean pretending to be Ethiopian is another oldie but a goodie because a Western official has no way of being able to tell them apart.”

    Bullsit. If an 80 IQ Eritrean can figure out how to lie, cheat, and steal his way into an advanced Western democracy then a (supposedly) 100 IQ Western bureaucrat with a college degree and a nice little sinecure can figure out how to determine if the “refugee” is lying: language, dialect, accent, knowledge of very simple facts about your alleged country of origin. Simple things. And if you’re too stupid not to speak the appropriate language or know simple facts about your home country then maybe we don’t want you.

    The real problem with so many jobs – and it’s especially a problem in the government – is that there is zero punishment for fucking it up, so the only incentive is to avoid making decisions that will cause you a lot of headaches or make you do any actual work. What’s the punishment for a government bureaucrat in Europe or America who rubber stamps 100 bogus asylum applications? Nothing. Absolutely nothing – even if your lying immigrant goes on a terrorist killing spree you will still be sitting there at your job 20 years later, still getting paid for fucking up your country. It’s time to start holding these bureaucrats accountable.

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    I'm afraid those bureaucrats waving anybody in are following orders. Or even true believers in open borders.
    Contrast the scant interest in asylum scammers with the intense scrutiny of goods incoming passengers might smuggle in: small amounts of drugs, counterfeited products or exotic pets.
    Doubtless, open borders for immigrants end up being far more costly to the country than anything small-time crooks might import here illegally. Why is there a war on drugs but no war on illegal immigration? With the ultimate goal being zero immigration for at least half a century.
    The obvious answer being: there's an ongoing war against people, but it's waged against citizens.
    , @res

    The real problem with so many jobs – and it’s especially a problem in the government – is that there is zero punishment for fucking it up, so the only incentive is to avoid making decisions that will cause you a lot of headaches or make you do any actual work.
     
    Not only that (which is bad enough), but I suspect that under Obama the punishment incentives ran in the opposite direction. Why are you rejecting so many refugees?
    , @oddsbodkins
    Yes. A simple way to implement quality control would be to select a small fraction of the admitees at random and have a second, unaffiliated immigration officer look at the case anew . Collect stats for a while and you will soon see who in your primary screening isn't doing the job well.
    , @TomSchmidt
    "It’s time to start holding these bureaucrats accountable."

    How would you do so?
    , @Fredrik
    It's not BS. The reason why you can't tell them apart is because there is major overlap between Eritreans and Ethiopians.

    How do you tell a Tigrinya from Eritrea apart from a Tigrayan from Ethiopia when they are the same ethnic group with the same language? You're probably thinking now that since you can tell English speakers apart it's easy but don't forget that in the Ethiopian/Eritrean case it's as a foreigner you have to figure it out, not as a native speaker.
    , @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Why do remote federal bureaucrats decide who your neighborhood has to risk welcoming and make an effort to integrate?

    There should be local citizen input. Let a jury of citizens veto the slate of candidates for local residency and allocate the number of spaces that they are confident that they can integrate. The locals have all the costs & risks, they should have a say on who gets the honor of one of the scarce visas. The locals will have a better chance of identifying which candidates are making good faith efforts to integrate and which candidates actually admire and identify with American values to discern them from the moochers who are content to live in their unassimilated parallel societies.

    Sure it'll be subject to the arbitrary whim of those involved, but if it's good enough for us to put faith in for criminal justice & whether to condemn somebody to a lifetime of imprisonment or perhaps even execution, then it should be good enough for this.

    My inspiration for decentralizing evaluation and decision about immigrant visas and giving ordinary citizens more input was inspired by this story:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4106258/Left-wing-vegan-moved-Switzerland-denied-Swiss-passport-annoying.html

    If only ordinary American citizens had the power and the backbone to withdraw our welcome to any annoying foreigners who come not to adapt to American norms & ways but with a desire to tear them down and demand "tolerance" & support to undermine our traditions & replace them with their strange foreign customs & habits.

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  9. eah says:

    In most heavily immigrant areas of European cities the shabby looking blocks of flats are heavily festooned with satellite dishes so they can watch TV of the countries where they belong they came from — I’m sure they keep everyone back home well informed.

    OT

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    This video of the crowd in Houston for the Astros parade returning a dropped hat up what looks like the world's tallest parking garage is great.
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  10. The Internet and the spread of smart phones has made it much easier for would-be “refugees” to actually see how good life is in the West.

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  11. Flip says:

    If these non-whites want to be ruled by whites so badly that they will move to Europe and America, maybe we should bring back colonialism and let them be ruled by whites in their own countries.

    Actually, I’d just as soon turn over the ruling of America to the Swiss and Singaporeans.

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  12. jim jones says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    The Irish also made trespass on land a criminal, rather than a civil offence some thirty years back, at which point criminal traveller gangs in Ireland upped sticks for the UK.

    Google "traveller slavery UK".

    It is common to see gangs of Irish Gypsies on shoplifting expeditions around here

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  13. Neoconned says:
    @27 year old

    The constitution of the Republic of Ireland was changed because of this, removing birth-right citizenship from individuals without the right of permanent residency after thousands of pregnant Nigerian women flooded the main maternity ward after this fact was discovered and disseminated over the Internet.
     
    Few know this.

    Seems like something we should study and learn from.

    The US and Canada are actually the last 2 Western nation’s to still have birthright citizenship.

    Anyway if as Whiskey puts it, our women are kicking the doors open to foreigners to attract new alpha then let’s at least have fun w this. As some on here have opined….a true Trumpian immigration policy will work great….

    Invite in say 30 million women between the ages of say 18 and 35. Being serious. ONLY WOMEN w no kids and no man.

    Watch your dating market opportunities open up suddenly. Catch is they must me marry an American man.

    Watch that border slam shut faster than a cheetah on the Savannah

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  14. AndrewR says:

    But if you tried to guess which one they were, they’d get offended that you had confused them with their mortal enemies.

    The same is true with Indians/Pakis, Jews/Arabs, Irish/Planters, Greeks/Turks, etc. The narcissism of small differences.

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  15. AndrewR says:
    @Anonymous
    Interesting comment by Bret Stephens.

    As long as I've lived, I've often heard the phrase that 'America "rightfully" belongs to the Native Americans, (that is Amerindians)'.
    Generally speaking, white Americans usually humbly and quietly acceded to that line, as in the strictest 'moral' terms of the 'law of primogeniture' , (as opposed to 'right of conquest' , which is essentially the institutionalization of violence), it is very hard to refute.

    Now - as 'coincidentally' the vast vast majority of immigrants into the USA are not white, certain quartets feel free to mouth loudly what was once the ultimate blasphemy in 'polite' circles.

    Except it was never legitimate to argue that America “really belonged to the Natives.” The “Native Americans” have never been a monolithic group. They were fighting and conquering each other way before Chris Columbus was even a twinkle in his daddy’s eye. And going farther back, there were multiple waves of migrants crossing the Bering land bridge. It’s all but certain that no one in 1500, let alone today, was descended entirely from the first people to cross over from Siberia.

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    • Replies: @silviosilver
    Exactly. There was no unified group of "Native Americans" who shared a collective sense of living "in America." They were disparate tribes fighting innumerable wars. Whites were just one more tribe added to that mix, and who did nothing to any of them they weren't already doing to themselves. It's just that whites proved to be the most successful tribe.
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  16. …great-grandpa arriving on the Lower East Side in 1906 wasn’t as hard as pioneering the West in 1800 or being a Pilgrim in 1620…

    Bravo for this statement of fact!

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    And the thing that follows from this is what? Having Mayflower ancestors makes you more of an American than Buffalo Joe or me? What if it's Mayflower on one side and Palermo 1906 on the other? Do you get 1/2 credit? What if your ancestors were Virginia cavaliers who spend their time ordering around their Irish indentured servants and black slaves - do you get negative points for ancestral hardship? Should American Indians get super credit for having been here for 10,000 years and living completely off the land without even iron tools?

    All through the 19th century, no one gave a damn about American history - Mt. Vernon fell into ruins, Monticello was saved only because Lafayette wrote to his friend Levy. Then once the Ellis Island crowd started showing up, suddenly people were interested in proving that they were "more American" than the newcomers and you get the DAR and all these other "I was here first" organizations.
    , @biz
    So what? Life was harder for everyone in every way in 1620 or 1800 than 1906.

    Life is currently more of a challenge for a Syrian or Honduran peasant than it is for me but that doesn't mean that they have more of a claim to American Citizenship than I do.

    , @Mr. Anon

    …great-grandpa arriving on the Lower East Side in 1906 wasn’t as hard as pioneering the West in 1800 or being a Pilgrim in 1620…
     
    To be fair though, at least the Pilgrims didn't have to work for callous, greedy sweat-shop owners like Max Blanck and Isaac Harris:

    Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire

    A movie for TV was made about it in the 70s.

    The Triangle Factory Fire Scandal

    I remember seeing it. They called out the factory owners, whose neglect for the safety of their workers led to so many deaths. I don't remember them pointing out who those factory owners were.
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  17. Pericles says:
    @Anonymous
    Interesting comment by Bret Stephens.

    As long as I've lived, I've often heard the phrase that 'America "rightfully" belongs to the Native Americans, (that is Amerindians)'.
    Generally speaking, white Americans usually humbly and quietly acceded to that line, as in the strictest 'moral' terms of the 'law of primogeniture' , (as opposed to 'right of conquest' , which is essentially the institutionalization of violence), it is very hard to refute.

    Now - as 'coincidentally' the vast vast majority of immigrants into the USA are not white, certain quartets feel free to mouth loudly what was once the ultimate blasphemy in 'polite' circles.

    As long as I’ve lived, I’ve often heard the phrase that ‘America “rightfully” belongs to the Native Americans, (that is Amerindians)’.

    Just like Haiti, one supposes.

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  18. “When I lived in the Uptown neighborhood in Chicago, there were lots of identical-looking Eritreans and Ethiopians. But if you tried to guess which one they were, they’d get offended that you had confused them with their mortal enemies.”

    Well, you have to admit that it isn’t as easy as distinguishing between the half-white/half-black and the half-black/half-white beings portayed by Frank Gorshin in S3Ep. 15 of the original Star Trek series.

    Nigerians in Eire, eh? I thought the black Irish were descended from the Spanish Armada types set adrift by the English destruction of their ships.

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  19. Arclight says:

    Again, foreign governments probably can barely believe how insanely stupid our immigration policy is. They get to ship tens of thousands (or millions in the case of Mexico) of people they can’t do anything with to a rich country where they can easily get on social welfare or hourly job and then send remittances back to their home country that constitute a significant fraction of GDP.

    For all the squawking from protectionists (traditionally on the left) here about how unfettered free trade constitutes a massive transfer of wealth from the working class in the first world to the third world, the same is true when it comes to immigration – and it’s crickets on that front.

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    • Replies: @Bleuteaux
    We're essentially getting the most corrupt, dishonest people from every third-world country in the world. No wonder men are going abroad to find wives, and people generally are looking for functioning societies in Eastern Europe or wherever. The rate of social and economic decline in this country is unbelievable.
    , @unpc downunder
    Free trade is one of main driving forces behind third world immigration. Thanks to free trade agreements like NAFTA, Mexican peasants have been forced off the land by foreign imports and now come to the US to work on American farms. Manufacturing in Latin America has also been heavily hit by foreign imports.
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  20. Svigor says:

    But as Bret Stephens explained in the New York Times:

    I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers …

    Stephens is Jewish, and Jews are relative newcomers, having arrived here after all the heavy lifting of exploring a continent, taming a continent, settling a continent, fighting for a continent, civilizing a continent, building a civilization, creating a country, forging a nation, fighting the revolutionary war against the British Empire, making an early modern agricultural power into a modern industrial one, etc., was finished.

    And Jewish culture is extremely self-centered. So Jews, in the main, just sort of skip over the whole heavy lifting part of American history, and begin the first act of the story with Jews’ arrival on steam ships. Jewish culture holds little regard for anyone else except in a utilitarian sense (e.g., the “other’s” “others”), so it’s not as if a little thing like regard for another people’s place in history (even their hosts’) is going to stop their self-serving retcons.

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  21. BB753 says:
    @Wilkey
    "The Eritrean pretending to be Ethiopian is another oldie but a goodie because a Western official has no way of being able to tell them apart."

    Bullsit. If an 80 IQ Eritrean can figure out how to lie, cheat, and steal his way into an advanced Western democracy then a (supposedly) 100 IQ Western bureaucrat with a college degree and a nice little sinecure can figure out how to determine if the "refugee" is lying: language, dialect, accent, knowledge of very simple facts about your alleged country of origin. Simple things. And if you're too stupid not to speak the appropriate language or know simple facts about your home country then maybe we don't want you.

    The real problem with so many jobs - and it's especially a problem in the government - is that there is zero punishment for fucking it up, so the only incentive is to avoid making decisions that will cause you a lot of headaches or make you do any actual work. What's the punishment for a government bureaucrat in Europe or America who rubber stamps 100 bogus asylum applications? Nothing. Absolutely nothing - even if your lying immigrant goes on a terrorist killing spree you will still be sitting there at your job 20 years later, still getting paid for fucking up your country. It's time to start holding these bureaucrats accountable.

    I’m afraid those bureaucrats waving anybody in are following orders. Or even true believers in open borders.
    Contrast the scant interest in asylum scammers with the intense scrutiny of goods incoming passengers might smuggle in: small amounts of drugs, counterfeited products or exotic pets.
    Doubtless, open borders for immigrants end up being far more costly to the country than anything small-time crooks might import here illegally. Why is there a war on drugs but no war on illegal immigration? With the ultimate goal being zero immigration for at least half a century.
    The obvious answer being: there’s an ongoing war against people, but it’s waged against citizens.

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  22. @Anonymous
    Interesting comment by Bret Stephens.

    As long as I've lived, I've often heard the phrase that 'America "rightfully" belongs to the Native Americans, (that is Amerindians)'.
    Generally speaking, white Americans usually humbly and quietly acceded to that line, as in the strictest 'moral' terms of the 'law of primogeniture' , (as opposed to 'right of conquest' , which is essentially the institutionalization of violence), it is very hard to refute.

    Now - as 'coincidentally' the vast vast majority of immigrants into the USA are not white, certain quartets feel free to mouth loudly what was once the ultimate blasphemy in 'polite' circles.

    Technically they don’t since each tribe was its own individual nation; this means some areas no longer have any claimants (since they are all dead- not all by settlers hands either) and some never did (since they were uninhabitable).

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  23. Jack D says:

    Immigration fraud goes way back. At the beginning of the 20th century, there was a whole business in “paper sons” on the West Coast. Chinese immigrants would get in by pretending to be the sons of Chinese who were already US citizens. You had to memorize an elaborate back story because they would question the “father” and “son” separately on the details of their family history, the village that they came from, etc. Luckily, Chinese are really good at memorization.

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    It's another sign of our decline that even our illegal immigrants aren't what the used to be, lol.
    , @fnn

    For all the squawking from protectionists (traditionally on the left) ...
     
    The GOP was protectionist from its founding in 1856 up until 1946. Arguably Lincoln was a leftist , but certainly not Calvin Coolidge. In 1946, protectionism was pointless because US had no industrial competitors in the wake of the massive destruction of WW2.
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  24. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Up until 2015 I worked as a background investigator doing backgrounds for the USG. A lot of that work involved USCIS and immigrants.

    Forget internet and smartphones. There are so many do-gooder groups assisting people from the third world it’s mind boggling. It seems like large numbers of law school students work pro bono for these charitable organizations, from assisting immigrants in getting into the U.S. to doing all the work to get them free housing and welfare after they’ve arrived.

    Now, here’s the thing. All of this stuff is done for them. I know of a law professor who spends months out of the year working in Guatemala and other Central American countries in assisting people in moving to the U.S. and getting them assistance when they arrive. A lot of her work involves assisting family members down there with a family member in the U.S. I.e., chain migration.

    Then on the U.S. side, USCIS (formerly INS) has become like the DMV. Legal immigration has become like this. Fill this form out and go to the next line. And USCIS it has pretty much the same employee demographics as your city DMV, though with the USCIS officers and adjudicators a large percentage of them originally came from the third world before being naturalized U.S. citizens. I kid you not. I did their backgrounds and know this info.

    I encourage any American to go to a USCIS office and just sit there and watch. And maybe listen to Ann Coulter’s “Adios, America” in Audible on your phone while you observe.

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    Sedition has become a contact sport, with no referees. The absence of any sense of patriotism or civic duty, or even awareness thereof, is the mark of fundamental corruption.
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  25. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    ...great-grandpa arriving on the Lower East Side in 1906 wasn’t as hard as pioneering the West in 1800 or being a Pilgrim in 1620...
     
    Bravo for this statement of fact!

    And the thing that follows from this is what? Having Mayflower ancestors makes you more of an American than Buffalo Joe or me? What if it’s Mayflower on one side and Palermo 1906 on the other? Do you get 1/2 credit? What if your ancestors were Virginia cavaliers who spend their time ordering around their Irish indentured servants and black slaves – do you get negative points for ancestral hardship? Should American Indians get super credit for having been here for 10,000 years and living completely off the land without even iron tools?

    All through the 19th century, no one gave a damn about American history – Mt. Vernon fell into ruins, Monticello was saved only because Lafayette wrote to his friend Levy. Then once the Ellis Island crowd started showing up, suddenly people were interested in proving that they were “more American” than the newcomers and you get the DAR and all these other “I was here first” organizations.

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    What follows is that the endless dreary retelling of how hard the Ellis Island passengers had it and how mean everybody was to them is silly. I say this as a descendant of immigrant Campanians and yet more recently arrived types myself. Who cares?
    , @anonymous
    From the founders of VA and Plymouth Colony through the hordes of German and Irish who swarmed into America during the early and middle 19th century up to and including "the Ellis Island crowd" (a shorthand, I assume, for "Southern and Eastern European")-- none were ever welcomed with open arms by the existing populace. Not by the Native Americans (in the case of the original English settlers), nor by the predominantly British-German-Irish population already in place in late 19th and early 20th century America (in the case of "the Ellis Island crowd"). In all cases except one, each group had to deal with another group who had already claimed their turf and weren't about to share it with anyone without a fight. The exception, of course, were the Native Americans whose ancestors crossed Beringia 20 thousand years before and encountered a howling wilderness (whose animal inhabitants --wolves, bears, mammoths, cougars, bison etc.--may themselves have considered these strangers as a threat for all I know).

    As mammals, human beings are territorial. We all claim our own turf and do not willingly cede it. The "American Melting Pot" is total and complete myth.

    , @Samuel Skinner

    Then once the Ellis Island crowd started showing up, suddenly people were interested in proving that they were “more American” than the newcomers and you get the DAR and all these other “I was here first” organizations.
     
    So Americans were perfectly fine with French, German and British immigrants, but something was different with post 1880 immigrants? I think the problem is with the new arrivals, unless you think the French, Germans and British are prone to mutual love and respect and would never engage in conflict or violence against each other.
    , @Sam Haysom
    So this was about the worst possible response to that comment possible. You might as well have shouted out you sunk my battleship because that was clearly a direct hit. Not even the slightest of attempts to conceal your fundemental contempt for America beyond the fact that it's where you happen to be crashing... until you bolt for somewhere else.
    , @res

    All through the 19th century, no one gave a damn about American history – Mt. Vernon fell into ruins, Monticello was saved only because Lafayette wrote to his friend Levy. Then once the Ellis Island crowd started showing up, suddenly people were interested in proving that they were “more American” than the newcomers and you get the DAR and all these other “I was here first” organizations.
     
    That's what happens when you transition from having a frontier and harder/better things to do into a more zero sum society.

    I'm not a big fan of "I was here first" status seeking, but IMHO it is far better than the BS (like the Stephens quote above) we are seeing now. Not to mention tearing down both the reputations and monuments of those who came earlier.
    , @Moshe
    The local elite in every generation that aided large groups of foreign invaders were traitors.

    The Indians who helped the colonists were traitors to fellow denizens of the continent.... and so on through every iteration, from French to German to Irish to Jewish to Vietnamese...

    The elite who invited my ancestors for the cheap labor were traitors, as was the elite that didn't fend of yours.

    This land is my land, this land is your land, because we are here. I was born here. I pay taxes here. I speak the language and know the people and understand the culture and love the land as my birthright.

    By American Law I am here a natural born citizen - a partial owner of the land. But ultimately, the land goes to he who can take it and hold it.

    Or, more accurately, to he whom our elite encourage to take.

    Like all of anima-kind, we descend from invadors. Our survival depends on whether we can withstand the invasion of others. Vae Victis!

    Remember Roanoke!
    , @Wilkey
    "What if your ancestors were Virginia cavaliers who spend their time ordering around their Irish indentured servants and black slaves – do you get negative points for ancestral hardship? Should American Indians get super credit for having been here for 10,000 years and living completely off the land without even iron tools?"

    It's the same high/low coalition here as elsewhere: natives get credit for arriving here 10,000 years ago, recent arrivals get credit for their "courage" for risking a 747 ride to immigrate to a welfare state, but the descendants of those who *voluntarily* left civilization to build civilization from scratch.
    , @Mr. Anon

    All through the 19th century, no one gave a damn about American history – Mt. Vernon fell into ruins, Monticello was saved only because Lafayette wrote to his friend Levy. Then once the Ellis Island crowd started showing up, suddenly people were interested in proving that they were “more American” than the newcomers and you get the DAR and all these other “I was here first” organizations.
     
    And a certain part of the Ellis Island crowd is now disproportionately involved in trying to delegitimize and erase that history and disenfranchise the people whose history it was.

    So what is the thing that follows from your point?
    , @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    There's the enormous difference that today's newcomers are trained to resent the hosts whose ancestors & traditions have made the place so attractive for them to leave the unfortunate situations of their previous home country behind. The newcomers are indoctrinated to reject and view with contempt any of the history, traditions & customs of their host as the racist legacy of deadwhitemales & whiteprivilege. Previous generations also were not granted any bonus in consideration for the allocation of society's privileges & rewards like official & private affirmative action & diversity initiatives promise to current newcomers & their descendants.

    Previous generations of immigrants certainly had it hard. To be sure integration & assimilation was neither immediate nor automatic, but any unwillingness or inability to adopt prevailing customs, dress & even names were mocked, shamed & sanctioned... until they dressed like everyone else & gave their sons uncomplicated "normal" American names like "Mike" or "Steve."

    Alas conformity has been long out of style as "stalepalewhitemale" has also become... Today the majority is shamed into "celebrating" hijabs and any other outrageous & provocative attire while mocked & accused of racism for their "disrespectful" inadequate attempts to pronounce or spell absurd foreign names correctly that are essentially nothing more than a passive-aggressive assertion of superiority, a demand for attention and a middlefingering of establishment culture & society.
    "Ta-Nenisi"...
    Indeed...

    It's not that the previous generations of immigrants were necessarily "better" than the subsequent ones, it's that we've been working extra hard to train the present generation of newcomers to reject and disrespect the prevailing "American" norms that every generation before them struggled to learn but eventually mastered & conformed with enough effort.

    , @Art Deco
    All through the 19th century, no one gave a damn about American history – Mt. Vernon fell into ruins, Monticello was saved only because Lafayette wrote to his friend Levy.

    You're straining quite hard to derive the stated conclusion from the fate of two buildings.
    , @silviosilver
    You're so right Jack. If only WASPs could be like Jews and show the same total disregard for their group's historical experiences.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Then once the Ellis Island crowd started showing up, suddenly people were interested in proving that they were “more American” than the newcomers and you get the DAR and all these other “I was here first” organizations.
     
    That's as dumb as the belief that the Statue of Liberty was meant to celebrate immigration. The DAR followed close on the heels of the SAR, which was founded in the centennial of Washington's first inauguration. It was also an important part of the "reconciliation" movement coming a generation or so after the Civil War. As far as immigrants were concerned, the ladies sought to instruct them in American mores and norms.

    This is what normal people in normal countries do (assuming they have any immigrants at all). That you have a problem with this tells us quite a bit about you, not them.

    All this bogus mythology from and about two islands which don't even know which state they're in!
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  26. Jack D says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - don't know if anyone's posted this, via hbdchick's twitter.

    https://www.navytimes.com/breaking-news/2017/11/01/navy-crews-at-fault-in-fatal-collisions-investigations-find/


    "The report reveals that both collisions came after critical failures of officers and sailors on the bridge and raises troubling questions about the basic proficiency of the Japan-based 7th Fleet and the surface Navy as a whole.

    In both incidents, sailors on the bridge failed to sound a ship-wide alarm notifying the crew of danger, which is a standard Navy procedure.

    Ships at sea must sound five short blasts of the ship’s whistle to alert the crew and the other ship of a coming collision. That did not occur in either collision. Neither the crew members below deck nor the other ships involved had any warning from the Navy that their ships were headed for disaster, the reports found."
     

    But it's all good in what little remains of the Royal Navy.

    "The captain of a Trident nuclear submarine has been stripped of his command over claims that he had an affair with a female junior officer.
    Senior commanders were sent to the vessel in international waters after allegations emerged of an ‘inappropriate relationship’ with the woman, it was reported.
    Stuart Armstrong, commanding officer of the Vanguard-class submarine HMS Vigilant, has been relieved of duties while he is under investigation.

    The affair allegations come after the Navy’s first female warship captain, Sarah West, was released from her command of the frigate HMS Portland over an affair with a married officer in 2014 – claims both denied.

    Women were banned from serving on submarines until 2011. But in 2014, three female lieutenants became the first in the fleet’s 113-year history. "
     

    Or is it?

    "One of the Royal Navy’s flagship destroyers has become embroiled in a sex crimes scandal after an officer was suspended while facing allegations from servicewomen of sexual harassment and rape.

    The Sunday Times has learnt that an officer on HMS Daring is under investigation by navy police after “several” women came forward to make complaints about his conduct during a deployment to the Middle East."
     

    Men and women confined together on a ship or submarine had sex with each other? Who could have imagined that this would happen? We all know that sailors take sacred vows of celibacy that they would never dare to breach.

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    As a member of a seafaring family which has been so for generations, can confirm they generally wait for port. Of course, those were not mixed ships, but that doesn't mean rape couldn't happen...
    , @Bill Jones
    For a thousand years in Europe a woman on a ship was an abomination.
    (unless they were chattel being looted, of course)
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  27. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jack D
    And the thing that follows from this is what? Having Mayflower ancestors makes you more of an American than Buffalo Joe or me? What if it's Mayflower on one side and Palermo 1906 on the other? Do you get 1/2 credit? What if your ancestors were Virginia cavaliers who spend their time ordering around their Irish indentured servants and black slaves - do you get negative points for ancestral hardship? Should American Indians get super credit for having been here for 10,000 years and living completely off the land without even iron tools?

    All through the 19th century, no one gave a damn about American history - Mt. Vernon fell into ruins, Monticello was saved only because Lafayette wrote to his friend Levy. Then once the Ellis Island crowd started showing up, suddenly people were interested in proving that they were "more American" than the newcomers and you get the DAR and all these other "I was here first" organizations.

    What follows is that the endless dreary retelling of how hard the Ellis Island passengers had it and how mean everybody was to them is silly. I say this as a descendant of immigrant Campanians and yet more recently arrived types myself. Who cares?

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    @Jack D
    Men and women confined together on a ship or submarine had sex with each other? Who could have imagined that this would happen? We all know that sailors take sacred vows of celibacy that they would never dare to breach.

    As a member of a seafaring family which has been so for generations, can confirm they generally wait for port. Of course, those were not mixed ships, but that doesn’t mean rape couldn’t happen…

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  29. Talk about telling people apart. I’m the grandson of Irish immigrants on both sides of the family tree. Dad’s side are northern Presbyterians and mom’s are southern Catholics. I visited my northern cousins in Ireland in 1974. I remember they were able to distinguish Protestants from Catholics merely by sight. Whatever clues they picked up on were totally lost on me not having grown up in that environment.

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    4oo years plus of forced endogamy.
    They just look and sound different, en masse. You'd be struggling to pick them out of the crowd of identical British Isles boiled lobsters in the bars of Costa del Sol, for instance. Apart from the even more tumultuous brawling noise.

    First tack is to home in on the accent. Or check for obvious signs like football colours, any sign of leaf-green in the clothing (for left-footers), orange or royal-blue for the others. Prods, being (more than) partly Northern British, are much blonder and craggier in general. Tattoos are a dead giveaway eg. a six-inch high King Billy on a charger on the forearm, or a full Calvary scene across the chest for Tims. Sometimes not just the men! Fenians favour expensive folky woolly sweaters, and often beards, hardcore bluenose thugs like their sovvy rings, and so on.

    After that, they have different eyebrow shapes, mouth and jaw details, and basic coloration of eyes and hair.
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  30. @Jack D
    Immigration fraud goes way back. At the beginning of the 20th century, there was a whole business in "paper sons" on the West Coast. Chinese immigrants would get in by pretending to be the sons of Chinese who were already US citizens. You had to memorize an elaborate back story because they would question the "father" and "son" separately on the details of their family history, the village that they came from, etc. Luckily, Chinese are really good at memorization.

    It’s another sign of our decline that even our illegal immigrants aren’t what the used to be, lol.

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  31. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jack D
    And the thing that follows from this is what? Having Mayflower ancestors makes you more of an American than Buffalo Joe or me? What if it's Mayflower on one side and Palermo 1906 on the other? Do you get 1/2 credit? What if your ancestors were Virginia cavaliers who spend their time ordering around their Irish indentured servants and black slaves - do you get negative points for ancestral hardship? Should American Indians get super credit for having been here for 10,000 years and living completely off the land without even iron tools?

    All through the 19th century, no one gave a damn about American history - Mt. Vernon fell into ruins, Monticello was saved only because Lafayette wrote to his friend Levy. Then once the Ellis Island crowd started showing up, suddenly people were interested in proving that they were "more American" than the newcomers and you get the DAR and all these other "I was here first" organizations.

    From the founders of VA and Plymouth Colony through the hordes of German and Irish who swarmed into America during the early and middle 19th century up to and including “the Ellis Island crowd” (a shorthand, I assume, for “Southern and Eastern European”)– none were ever welcomed with open arms by the existing populace. Not by the Native Americans (in the case of the original English settlers), nor by the predominantly British-German-Irish population already in place in late 19th and early 20th century America (in the case of “the Ellis Island crowd”). In all cases except one, each group had to deal with another group who had already claimed their turf and weren’t about to share it with anyone without a fight. The exception, of course, were the Native Americans whose ancestors crossed Beringia 20 thousand years before and encountered a howling wilderness (whose animal inhabitants –wolves, bears, mammoths, cougars, bison etc.–may themselves have considered these strangers as a threat for all I know).

    As mammals, human beings are territorial. We all claim our own turf and do not willingly cede it. The “American Melting Pot” is total and complete myth.

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  32. I never liked that saying, “America is a country of immigrants”, to me it always meant “…not for citizens.” What kind of country tosses out its own citizens in favor of immigrants?

    America WAS a country of immigrants, back when there weren’t 320 million of us!

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  33. Lugash says:
    @Brabantian
    For all to enjoy, some epic hooliganism against corrupt mainstream media -

    Man walks on screen in back of reporter during live CNN broadcast, shouting "CNN is Fake News! ... CNN is Fake News! ... Anderson Cooper is Fake News!" - video is 21 seconds, man enters from the right behind Cooper at about the 11 second mark
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x8gtNtf1wY

    One of these days ISIS will plan out more than the initial attack and we’ll see Phil Mudd and Anderson Cooper bleeding out in the street, all in the name of ‘journalism’.

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  34. @Jack D
    And the thing that follows from this is what? Having Mayflower ancestors makes you more of an American than Buffalo Joe or me? What if it's Mayflower on one side and Palermo 1906 on the other? Do you get 1/2 credit? What if your ancestors were Virginia cavaliers who spend their time ordering around their Irish indentured servants and black slaves - do you get negative points for ancestral hardship? Should American Indians get super credit for having been here for 10,000 years and living completely off the land without even iron tools?

    All through the 19th century, no one gave a damn about American history - Mt. Vernon fell into ruins, Monticello was saved only because Lafayette wrote to his friend Levy. Then once the Ellis Island crowd started showing up, suddenly people were interested in proving that they were "more American" than the newcomers and you get the DAR and all these other "I was here first" organizations.

    Then once the Ellis Island crowd started showing up, suddenly people were interested in proving that they were “more American” than the newcomers and you get the DAR and all these other “I was here first” organizations.

    So Americans were perfectly fine with French, German and British immigrants, but something was different with post 1880 immigrants? I think the problem is with the new arrivals, unless you think the French, Germans and British are prone to mutual love and respect and would never engage in conflict or violence against each other.

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  35. res says:
    @27 year old

    The constitution of the Republic of Ireland was changed because of this, removing birth-right citizenship from individuals without the right of permanent residency after thousands of pregnant Nigerian women flooded the main maternity ward after this fact was discovered and disseminated over the Internet.
     
    Few know this.

    Seems like something we should study and learn from.

    Few know this.

    Indeed. I am amazed not to have heard about this until now.

    More information about Ireland’s 2004 constitutional amendment ending birthright citizenship: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland

    Also interesting was that an article enabling birthright citizenship appeared in an earlier (1998) amendment enabling the Good Friday Agreement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteenth_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland

    The 1998 amendment received a 94% yes vote in the referendum while the 2004 amendment received a 79% yes vote.

    Irish constitutional amendments are determined by a simple majority vote in a referendum after approval by both houses of parliment (the president signs it, but that appears to be a formality, no veto power): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amendments_to_the_Constitution_of_Ireland

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    res:

    In Ireland you noted that the 2004 constitutional amendment limiting birthright citizenship received 79% of the vote.

    What would be the vote some 13 years later?

    In view of recent Irish voting patterns I doubt that any such amendment would now be approved. Chalk it up to the current delusional Irish electorate who appear to have gone hog wild for the chimera of diversity, open borders and unlimited immigration.

    And sincere appreciation for your cited references. The UR once again proves to be an information treasure trove.
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  36. res says:
    @Anonymous
    Actually, the UK government of Margaret Thatcher did the same back in 1983, tearing up hundreds of years of legal precedent.

    That was, of course, before the Blair era.
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  37. Bleuteaux says:
    @Arclight
    Again, foreign governments probably can barely believe how insanely stupid our immigration policy is. They get to ship tens of thousands (or millions in the case of Mexico) of people they can't do anything with to a rich country where they can easily get on social welfare or hourly job and then send remittances back to their home country that constitute a significant fraction of GDP.

    For all the squawking from protectionists (traditionally on the left) here about how unfettered free trade constitutes a massive transfer of wealth from the working class in the first world to the third world, the same is true when it comes to immigration - and it's crickets on that front.

    We’re essentially getting the most corrupt, dishonest people from every third-world country in the world. No wonder men are going abroad to find wives, and people generally are looking for functioning societies in Eastern Europe or wherever. The rate of social and economic decline in this country is unbelievable.

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  38. res says:
    @Wilkey
    "The Eritrean pretending to be Ethiopian is another oldie but a goodie because a Western official has no way of being able to tell them apart."

    Bullsit. If an 80 IQ Eritrean can figure out how to lie, cheat, and steal his way into an advanced Western democracy then a (supposedly) 100 IQ Western bureaucrat with a college degree and a nice little sinecure can figure out how to determine if the "refugee" is lying: language, dialect, accent, knowledge of very simple facts about your alleged country of origin. Simple things. And if you're too stupid not to speak the appropriate language or know simple facts about your home country then maybe we don't want you.

    The real problem with so many jobs - and it's especially a problem in the government - is that there is zero punishment for fucking it up, so the only incentive is to avoid making decisions that will cause you a lot of headaches or make you do any actual work. What's the punishment for a government bureaucrat in Europe or America who rubber stamps 100 bogus asylum applications? Nothing. Absolutely nothing - even if your lying immigrant goes on a terrorist killing spree you will still be sitting there at your job 20 years later, still getting paid for fucking up your country. It's time to start holding these bureaucrats accountable.

    The real problem with so many jobs – and it’s especially a problem in the government – is that there is zero punishment for fucking it up, so the only incentive is to avoid making decisions that will cause you a lot of headaches or make you do any actual work.

    Not only that (which is bad enough), but I suspect that under Obama the punishment incentives ran in the opposite direction. Why are you rejecting so many refugees?

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    "Not only that (which is bad enough), but I suspect that under Obama the punishment incentives ran in the opposite direction. Why are you rejecting so many refugees?"

    Exactly. I'm really taken aback by the difference in the way the EU treats "refugees" from distant lands, allowing them to invade because they have to respect their so-called "rights" versus the way they're willing to shit all over the voting rights of Catalans who are most native born citizens.

    I suspect there's a similar dynamic at work in the federal government, in that'd I'd wager that in IRS agent faces more serious consequences for undertaxing a working, native-born citizen than an immigration bureaucrat faces for giving a visa to a fraudulent visa applicant. There needs to be consequences for screwing up your job, and the assumption should be that immigration bureaucrats should err on the side of caution. The consequences should be greater for admitting a bogus applicant than for rejetting a valid one.
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  39. @Jack D
    And the thing that follows from this is what? Having Mayflower ancestors makes you more of an American than Buffalo Joe or me? What if it's Mayflower on one side and Palermo 1906 on the other? Do you get 1/2 credit? What if your ancestors were Virginia cavaliers who spend their time ordering around their Irish indentured servants and black slaves - do you get negative points for ancestral hardship? Should American Indians get super credit for having been here for 10,000 years and living completely off the land without even iron tools?

    All through the 19th century, no one gave a damn about American history - Mt. Vernon fell into ruins, Monticello was saved only because Lafayette wrote to his friend Levy. Then once the Ellis Island crowd started showing up, suddenly people were interested in proving that they were "more American" than the newcomers and you get the DAR and all these other "I was here first" organizations.

    So this was about the worst possible response to that comment possible. You might as well have shouted out you sunk my battleship because that was clearly a direct hit. Not even the slightest of attempts to conceal your fundemental contempt for America beyond the fact that it’s where you happen to be crashing… until you bolt for somewhere else.

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    That's great that you have the magic X-ray glasses that allow you to see contempt that is not there. I have the utmost respect for America, but for an America where all citizens are equal whether their ancestors came over on the Mayflower or in steerage from Hamburg or Genoa. We only have 1 class of citizenship.
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  40. res says:
    @Jack D
    And the thing that follows from this is what? Having Mayflower ancestors makes you more of an American than Buffalo Joe or me? What if it's Mayflower on one side and Palermo 1906 on the other? Do you get 1/2 credit? What if your ancestors were Virginia cavaliers who spend their time ordering around their Irish indentured servants and black slaves - do you get negative points for ancestral hardship? Should American Indians get super credit for having been here for 10,000 years and living completely off the land without even iron tools?

    All through the 19th century, no one gave a damn about American history - Mt. Vernon fell into ruins, Monticello was saved only because Lafayette wrote to his friend Levy. Then once the Ellis Island crowd started showing up, suddenly people were interested in proving that they were "more American" than the newcomers and you get the DAR and all these other "I was here first" organizations.

    All through the 19th century, no one gave a damn about American history – Mt. Vernon fell into ruins, Monticello was saved only because Lafayette wrote to his friend Levy. Then once the Ellis Island crowd started showing up, suddenly people were interested in proving that they were “more American” than the newcomers and you get the DAR and all these other “I was here first” organizations.

    That’s what happens when you transition from having a frontier and harder/better things to do into a more zero sum society.

    I’m not a big fan of “I was here first” status seeking, but IMHO it is far better than the BS (like the Stephens quote above) we are seeing now. Not to mention tearing down both the reputations and monuments of those who came earlier.

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    "I’m not a big fan of “I was here first” status seeking, but IMHO it is far better than the BS (like the Stephens quote above) we are seeing now."

    "I was here first" is terrible because it undermines the Citizenism needed to oppose ideas like Stephens'. The US should be a club of equal members, admission tightly controlled.
    , @Wilkey
    "I’m not a big fan of “I was here first” status seeking, but IMHO it is far better than the BS (like the Stephens quote above) we are seeing now. Not to mention tearing down both the reputations and monuments of those who came earlier."

    That goes to the heart of who is really waging war against whom. Mayflower descendants aren't exactly running around these days rubbing their Mayflower descent in people's faces, claiming superiority over those who came later. It's one side waging all the fighting: the Ellis Island and post-Ellis Island immigrants, telling us "what this country is really about" and that this has always been a "nation of immigrants" and that therefore we have no right to limit immigration, or restrict immigration from certain places, etc.; or suggesting that arriving in an America that's already been built via steamship or 747 is *exactly the same risk* as those who left advanced societies (ca. 1620) to come to an empty wilderness on rickety sailboats where they had to battle frequently hostile natives and build almost everything from scratch. Oh, your ancestors had to look at (phony) "No Irish Need Apply" signs? Cool. Some of mine were scalped by Injuns during King Phillips War.

    It's sort of like the battle over the causes of black poverty. The truth is that there just aren't a lot of people who care about the fact that blacks have lower IQs. It only becomes politically relevant when blacks and others proclaim that black misery is a result of racism.
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  41. biz says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    ...great-grandpa arriving on the Lower East Side in 1906 wasn’t as hard as pioneering the West in 1800 or being a Pilgrim in 1620...
     
    Bravo for this statement of fact!

    So what? Life was harder for everyone in every way in 1620 or 1800 than 1906.

    Life is currently more of a challenge for a Syrian or Honduran peasant than it is for me but that doesn’t mean that they have more of a claim to American Citizenship than I do.

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    Life is currently more of a challenge for a Syrian or Honduran peasant than it is for me but that doesn’t mean that they have more of a claim to American Citizenship than I do.
     
    The point is that settling a nation, carving it out of wilderness, is much more difficult than just showing up to a reasonably open, already developed nation at later period in time. At least 25% of potential colonists went back the first year at the time of founding. Slavery was introduced to the Americas in part because most European peasants were not interested in farming in the middle of nowhere. Europe was way better than colonial America and it makes sense that only few ethnic groups had any interest at all in the place.

    There is a vast difference in the viewpoint of the descendants of Ellis Island and those with a majority of ancestors here before 1890 or so. "We're a nation of immigrants" is about Ellis Island immigrants basically taking on control of the government and history and creating a more hospitable environment and narrative for themselves. Ellis Island was closed way too late, I think. Now of course, we're collecting the world like they are live Pokemon and the result are entirely predictable. The descendants of white settlers shot in their church by an imported arrival who drank the narrative. And that's just the tip of it.

    I look around and feel like my back is against the wall, in a world where my ancestors did amazing things in a bid to mostly live their lives without aristocrats running them. Trump is just so awesomely American in so much that he "gets" us. Hopefully we can get any sort of immigration changes through permanently. We'll see.

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  42. @Wilkey
    "The Eritrean pretending to be Ethiopian is another oldie but a goodie because a Western official has no way of being able to tell them apart."

    Bullsit. If an 80 IQ Eritrean can figure out how to lie, cheat, and steal his way into an advanced Western democracy then a (supposedly) 100 IQ Western bureaucrat with a college degree and a nice little sinecure can figure out how to determine if the "refugee" is lying: language, dialect, accent, knowledge of very simple facts about your alleged country of origin. Simple things. And if you're too stupid not to speak the appropriate language or know simple facts about your home country then maybe we don't want you.

    The real problem with so many jobs - and it's especially a problem in the government - is that there is zero punishment for fucking it up, so the only incentive is to avoid making decisions that will cause you a lot of headaches or make you do any actual work. What's the punishment for a government bureaucrat in Europe or America who rubber stamps 100 bogus asylum applications? Nothing. Absolutely nothing - even if your lying immigrant goes on a terrorist killing spree you will still be sitting there at your job 20 years later, still getting paid for fucking up your country. It's time to start holding these bureaucrats accountable.

    Yes. A simple way to implement quality control would be to select a small fraction of the admitees at random and have a second, unaffiliated immigration officer look at the case anew . Collect stats for a while and you will soon see who in your primary screening isn’t doing the job well.

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  43. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers …

    Well, Jews have been here for awhile. Muslims and Palestinians came later. Can we favor their interests then?

    Btw, there is a certain historical logic to Stephens argument.

    After all, whites thought American Land belonged more to them than to Indians.
    But then, there was no America before whites came. Only wilderness and savagery.
    So, America as a civilization(extension of Europe) began with whites.

    At any rate, if the arrival of whites meant marginalization of Indians, why won’t the arrival of many non-whites lead to the marginalization of whites? And it’s worse. At least whites built something that hadn’t existed before. They took the land from Indians but what they built on the land was wholly new.
    In contrast, the non-whites are not adding anything. They come to take.

    Of course, Stephens really means America should belong to Jews than to white gentiles. And for Jews to have higher claim, the Immigration Theme must take topmost slot. It’s narrative re-contracting.
    And since there aren’t enough Jews to demographically challenge whites, OTHERS must be used to do this. It’s a chess game with entire demographics. People Chess.

    Whites must ask themselves. Exist or Exit in relation to American Power.

    PS. Following Stephens’ logic, Asians deserve Hawaii more than the natives.
    And newly arrived Muslims have more claim to US than blacks with slave ancestry.

    PSS. The new ‘progressive’ slogan. America belongs more to newly arrived Arab and Muslim immigrants than to long-established Jewish Community that is no longer immigrant. Indeed, it is time for Jews to stop pretending they are ‘immigrants’. Ellis Island stuff was long ago now. Jews are now established and entrenched. Jews-as-immigrants is just a label.

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    So, America as a civilization(extension of Europe) began with whites.
     
    That's what really matters. Whites founded "America" - whites and no one else.

    Founders, keepers!

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  44. @res

    All through the 19th century, no one gave a damn about American history – Mt. Vernon fell into ruins, Monticello was saved only because Lafayette wrote to his friend Levy. Then once the Ellis Island crowd started showing up, suddenly people were interested in proving that they were “more American” than the newcomers and you get the DAR and all these other “I was here first” organizations.
     
    That's what happens when you transition from having a frontier and harder/better things to do into a more zero sum society.

    I'm not a big fan of "I was here first" status seeking, but IMHO it is far better than the BS (like the Stephens quote above) we are seeing now. Not to mention tearing down both the reputations and monuments of those who came earlier.

    “I’m not a big fan of “I was here first” status seeking, but IMHO it is far better than the BS (like the Stephens quote above) we are seeing now.”

    “I was here first” is terrible because it undermines the Citizenism needed to oppose ideas like Stephens’. The US should be a club of equal members, admission tightly controlled.

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    The US should be a club of equal members, admission tightly controlled.
     
    What real difference is "tightly controlled" going to make in the long-run? It's just a "die slower" model, imo.

    What is really required is "admission totally barred" or "admission racially restricted."

    But that seems too much even for self-declared immigration restrictionists to contemplate.
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  45. AaronNyc says:

    Maybe I’m missing something but don’t these immigration authorities have Arabic speakers on staff to actually tell who is Syrian and who isn’t? Doesn’t seem like it would be very hard to find out..

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    You're assuming the authorities are actually trying to keep the wrong people out. That's what you'd think people in charge of border controls would be doing, anyway.

    Apparently, though, many of them see their job as getting as many "refugees" through the door as possible. There's no such things as "the wrong people" in their book.
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    “But if you tried to guess which one they were, they’d get offended that you had confused them with their mortal enemies.”

    Reminds me of the Star Trek episode where one guy is white on the left and black on the right, and another guy is the same except the other way around.

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    And they all end up killing each other.

    That episode makes its point ("Raycizum iz bad!!!") with a sledgehammer, but it can also be taken (subversively) as a illustration of the pitfalls of miscegenation. The half-breed knows no peace of mind; he is forever torn between two worlds. The racial split runs through his soul like the San Andreas fault.
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  48. @Wilkey
    "The Eritrean pretending to be Ethiopian is another oldie but a goodie because a Western official has no way of being able to tell them apart."

    Bullsit. If an 80 IQ Eritrean can figure out how to lie, cheat, and steal his way into an advanced Western democracy then a (supposedly) 100 IQ Western bureaucrat with a college degree and a nice little sinecure can figure out how to determine if the "refugee" is lying: language, dialect, accent, knowledge of very simple facts about your alleged country of origin. Simple things. And if you're too stupid not to speak the appropriate language or know simple facts about your home country then maybe we don't want you.

    The real problem with so many jobs - and it's especially a problem in the government - is that there is zero punishment for fucking it up, so the only incentive is to avoid making decisions that will cause you a lot of headaches or make you do any actual work. What's the punishment for a government bureaucrat in Europe or America who rubber stamps 100 bogus asylum applications? Nothing. Absolutely nothing - even if your lying immigrant goes on a terrorist killing spree you will still be sitting there at your job 20 years later, still getting paid for fucking up your country. It's time to start holding these bureaucrats accountable.

    “It’s time to start holding these bureaucrats accountable.”

    How would you do so?

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    There IS no way to hold bureaucrats responsible. The Post Office proves that.

    Just tell your allegedly conservative rep or senator that you want the Postal Express statutes repealed (which isolated the Post Office from competition) and watch the reaction.
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  49. anonguy says:

    OT, but this sexual harassment thing…..

    Ok, it is generally accepted that there are less serial killers now than there used to be. Seems like the reason why is basically all the surveillance these days.

    We may be seeing the beginning of another secular trend. Basically, it is just getting tougher to be a pervy guy. Ask Howie Rubin – if an 8 million dollar penthouse, two female fixers and a lawyer, and his money and connections, and an obvious strong motivation to keep his perversions concealed couldn’t protect the guy from public scrutiny…..

    And the new standard has zero statute of limitations, one’s entire life is fair game at any point to be scrutinized for any pattern of misconduct.

    This isn’t going to change, it is the new world. The emerging standard is any real world sexual/romantic advances on someone are now potentially categorizable as sexual assault depending upon the perspective of the recipient.

    And any violation can be instantly broadcast to the world and validated by the millions/billions of people who like/forward these things.

    Civilization in general tends to weed out traits that worked for people in less ordered societies, what we deem these days as anti-social. Social media has vastly increased society’s ability to self-regulate itself, and right now it is determining that in this emerging world, previous acceptable levels of male sexual aggression no longer are and will be punished harshly.

    This is natural selection via social pressure happening right before our eyes. It is fascinating.

    You know, all this could be avoided if guys only hit on women who are interested in them. It really avoids awkward encounters, embarrassments, all this tawdry stuff. I recommend it highly.

    Oh, and this sexual harassment brouhaha plays into iSteve’s thesis from 2016 about how there are not going to be any more secrets in the emerging information world.

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  50. Jack D says:
    @Sam Haysom
    So this was about the worst possible response to that comment possible. You might as well have shouted out you sunk my battleship because that was clearly a direct hit. Not even the slightest of attempts to conceal your fundemental contempt for America beyond the fact that it's where you happen to be crashing... until you bolt for somewhere else.

    That’s great that you have the magic X-ray glasses that allow you to see contempt that is not there. I have the utmost respect for America, but for an America where all citizens are equal whether their ancestors came over on the Mayflower or in steerage from Hamburg or Genoa. We only have 1 class of citizenship.

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    We only have 1 class of citizenship.
     
    But we don't have one class of history. And, by the way, that "one class of citizenship" was only an ideal. It was never really true. And even the ideal is becoming less true everyday.
    , @AM

    That’s great that you have the magic X-ray glasses that allow you to see contempt that is not there. I have the utmost respect for America, but for an America where all citizens are equal whether their ancestors came over on the Mayflower or in steerage from Hamburg or Genoa. We only have 1 class of citizenship.
     
    That's funny, because I saw nothing but contempt and arrogance in your post. In choosing to tear down my history, rather than approach it with any balance, you make yourself in contempt of my culture.

    I do have more natural rights to the US than you do because my ancestors stretch all the way back to the next boat after the Mayflower. I'm sorry, there it is. The US genius of folding in new arrivals only works to the extent that the new arrivals have a long term interest in the US. You clear do not, nor do you think much of this country.

    So yes "we" have 1 class of citizenship. But "we" are now in need of patriots rather than paper citizens.

    , @11 Bravo

    We only have 1 class of citizenship.
     
    True. But the descendants of the founding stock should still be given the respect deserving of a 'first among equals' group. Instead they are routinely ridiculed and maligned.

    It is no accident that the US, Canada, Australia and NZ are unique among new world nations. They all had a similar founding stock, and coincidentally they are the only first world nations in the new world. For all their accomplishments in the aforementioned nations, Germans, Italians, Jews, former slaves and others have not been able to replicate that success in the rest of the new world despite the fact the non-English new world has in large part better climes and resources.

    Maybe it's time they realized why that is and treat the founding stock with the respect and admiration it deserves.
    , @bomag

    We only have 1 class of citizenship.
     
    My thinking, also.

    But we've got to pull up the rope ladder; nurture the folks in the tree house; and make them feel part of something larger than their ethnic identity before the thing overloads and crashes into oncoming traffic.

    We've got fifty million +/- Mexicans et al running around speaking Spanish; Somali pirates on sabbatical getting special privileges; etc. and everyone else pretty soon starts looking around for an Anglo, or German, or Irish group to join that will look out for their interests rather than spooling up any fealty for a leadership that keeps ramping up the insults.
    , @Sam Haysom
    Maybe that's the point you are retreating to now that you were called out- but your comment as it stands was full of contempt.

    Now maybe that contempt was the product of a brief moment in which your sense of amour propre was singed by your shallow historical roots in this county. In which case I can understand your response- it was the snide remonstrance of a short man about the importance of height. Everyone at heart wants what they don't possess and envy is certainly universal and far more forgivable than contempt.

    But using two examples as evidence that no one cared is ridiculous and even if they didn't who cares. The Judeans and Israelites didn't care very much for Israel either if half the Minor Prophets are to be believed. Does that call Zionism into question? Never in a million years would you accept that logic. What matters to you is your deep loyalty to the state of Israel not the fecklessness of the Jews who couldn't be bothers to return home from Persia when given the chance by cyrus.
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  51. BenKenobi says:
    @Lugash
    One of these days ISIS will plan out more than the initial attack and we'll see Phil Mudd and Anderson Cooper bleeding out in the street, all in the name of 'journalism'.

    If you meme it, it will come.

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  52. Wilkey says:
    @res

    All through the 19th century, no one gave a damn about American history – Mt. Vernon fell into ruins, Monticello was saved only because Lafayette wrote to his friend Levy. Then once the Ellis Island crowd started showing up, suddenly people were interested in proving that they were “more American” than the newcomers and you get the DAR and all these other “I was here first” organizations.
     
    That's what happens when you transition from having a frontier and harder/better things to do into a more zero sum society.

    I'm not a big fan of "I was here first" status seeking, but IMHO it is far better than the BS (like the Stephens quote above) we are seeing now. Not to mention tearing down both the reputations and monuments of those who came earlier.

    “I’m not a big fan of “I was here first” status seeking, but IMHO it is far better than the BS (like the Stephens quote above) we are seeing now. Not to mention tearing down both the reputations and monuments of those who came earlier.”

    That goes to the heart of who is really waging war against whom. Mayflower descendants aren’t exactly running around these days rubbing their Mayflower descent in people’s faces, claiming superiority over those who came later. It’s one side waging all the fighting: the Ellis Island and post-Ellis Island immigrants, telling us “what this country is really about” and that this has always been a “nation of immigrants” and that therefore we have no right to limit immigration, or restrict immigration from certain places, etc.; or suggesting that arriving in an America that’s already been built via steamship or 747 is *exactly the same risk* as those who left advanced societies (ca. 1620) to come to an empty wilderness on rickety sailboats where they had to battle frequently hostile natives and build almost everything from scratch. Oh, your ancestors had to look at (phony) “No Irish Need Apply” signs? Cool. Some of mine were scalped by Injuns during King Phillips War.

    It’s sort of like the battle over the causes of black poverty. The truth is that there just aren’t a lot of people who care about the fact that blacks have lower IQs. It only becomes politically relevant when blacks and others proclaim that black misery is a result of racism.

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    That goes to the heart of who is really waging war against whom. Mayflower descendants aren’t exactly running around these days rubbing their Mayflower descent in people’s faces, claiming superiority over those who came later. It’s one side waging all the fighting: the Ellis Island and post-Ellis Island immigrants, telling us “what this country is really about” and that this has always been a “nation of immigrants” and that therefore we have no right to limit immigration, or restrict immigration from certain places, etc.;
     
    Exactly. I'm sick of hearing all that "that's not who we are" bulls**t from people who are only here because my ancestors made a country for them to emigrate to.
    , @Yak-15
    These are my exact sentiments. The nature of those who settled America in the first waves was vastly different from those who came over once the cities were built and the amenities of civilization were established. My ancestors came over here, fought the natives and tamed the land. They fought and died in every major American war including the Civil War - on both sides.

    Why am I being lectured about my history and forced to disavow things by people whose ancestors came from other places - who hand no hand in constructing America or even fighting for its survival?

    I don't believe in special privilege for those who can trace their ancestry back before the revolutionary war, but I think our place in American history and our heritage needs to be respected. As in, your ancestors weren't here, they have their own culture and their own history that I respect. Don't tell me it's a moral imperative to remove statues that represent my culture and my history. It's my right by inheritance to have a say, not theirs.

    When I travel abroad I don't demand statues of mass murdering warlords be torn down. I don't tell them that their history is replete with the savagery of rape, conquest and unequal treatment of minorities and tell them that they need to change their conception of their past.

    This entire paradigm of shamming American history is beyond absurd. Who are foreigners to tell me about my history?
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  53. Wilkey says:
    @res

    The real problem with so many jobs – and it’s especially a problem in the government – is that there is zero punishment for fucking it up, so the only incentive is to avoid making decisions that will cause you a lot of headaches or make you do any actual work.
     
    Not only that (which is bad enough), but I suspect that under Obama the punishment incentives ran in the opposite direction. Why are you rejecting so many refugees?

    “Not only that (which is bad enough), but I suspect that under Obama the punishment incentives ran in the opposite direction. Why are you rejecting so many refugees?”

    Exactly. I’m really taken aback by the difference in the way the EU treats “refugees” from distant lands, allowing them to invade because they have to respect their so-called “rights” versus the way they’re willing to shit all over the voting rights of Catalans who are most native born citizens.

    I suspect there’s a similar dynamic at work in the federal government, in that’d I’d wager that in IRS agent faces more serious consequences for undertaxing a working, native-born citizen than an immigration bureaucrat faces for giving a visa to a fraudulent visa applicant. There needs to be consequences for screwing up your job, and the assumption should be that immigration bureaucrats should err on the side of caution. The consequences should be greater for admitting a bogus applicant than for rejetting a valid one.

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  54. To avoid fraud & abuse of green card marriages, they do try to verify that marriages to foreigners are genuine good-faith couples before giving the foreign spouse a visa.

    A public health professional I know was telling me about his case work processing & evaluating refugees claiming to flee human rights abuses and persecution of homosexuals in east Africa. Some of the stories were pretty appalling. Very reminiscent of Jackie’s lurid account of the abuse by Haven Monahan and his frat-bros and the hours of horror on a bed of broken glass shards…

    I’m not claiming the African lesbian refugees’ stories are fabrications; I certainly don’t know enough to judge their veracity. These countries from which the refugees are fleeing don’t exactly keep good records of official or unofficial persecution of disfavored minorities. Nor would they share these with US authorities if they did. So it really depends almost exclusively on the statements of the applicant. Even if they tried to verify with other “refugees,” one can imagine how that would just invite collusion and a chain migration of unrelated co-conspirators that together all support each other’s claims they were all also terribly persecuted. He’s pretty a pretty progressive SJW and I delicately tried to ask how they verify that the stories are authentic and not fabrications. The response shouldn’t surprise… “How dare I doubt and put the poor persecuted “lesbian” through the hardship of reliving the trauma…”

    Ultimately it probably boils down to what we WANT to believe.
    Bleedy heart progressive judges? Don’t be surprised about the outcome…

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  55. Moshe says:
    @Jack D
    And the thing that follows from this is what? Having Mayflower ancestors makes you more of an American than Buffalo Joe or me? What if it's Mayflower on one side and Palermo 1906 on the other? Do you get 1/2 credit? What if your ancestors were Virginia cavaliers who spend their time ordering around their Irish indentured servants and black slaves - do you get negative points for ancestral hardship? Should American Indians get super credit for having been here for 10,000 years and living completely off the land without even iron tools?

    All through the 19th century, no one gave a damn about American history - Mt. Vernon fell into ruins, Monticello was saved only because Lafayette wrote to his friend Levy. Then once the Ellis Island crowd started showing up, suddenly people were interested in proving that they were "more American" than the newcomers and you get the DAR and all these other "I was here first" organizations.

    The local elite in every generation that aided large groups of foreign invaders were traitors.

    The Indians who helped the colonists were traitors to fellow denizens of the continent…. and so on through every iteration, from French to German to Irish to Jewish to Vietnamese…

    The elite who invited my ancestors for the cheap labor were traitors, as was the elite that didn’t fend of yours.

    This land is my land, this land is your land, because we are here. I was born here. I pay taxes here. I speak the language and know the people and understand the culture and love the land as my birthright.

    By American Law I am here a natural born citizen – a partial owner of the land. But ultimately, the land goes to he who can take it and hold it.

    Or, more accurately, to he whom our elite encourage to take.

    Like all of anima-kind, we descend from invadors. Our survival depends on whether we can withstand the invasion of others. Vae Victis!

    Remember Roanoke!

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    A fifth column is more perilous than any external enemy.

    I'm also always reminded of the Aztecs' rival tribes who gave aid & comfort to the Cortes and Conquistadors because they envied their power and wanted to overthrow the empire that ruled over them.

    The New World's trojan horse strategy just keeps repeating itself.
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  56. Wilkey says:
    @Jack D
    And the thing that follows from this is what? Having Mayflower ancestors makes you more of an American than Buffalo Joe or me? What if it's Mayflower on one side and Palermo 1906 on the other? Do you get 1/2 credit? What if your ancestors were Virginia cavaliers who spend their time ordering around their Irish indentured servants and black slaves - do you get negative points for ancestral hardship? Should American Indians get super credit for having been here for 10,000 years and living completely off the land without even iron tools?

    All through the 19th century, no one gave a damn about American history - Mt. Vernon fell into ruins, Monticello was saved only because Lafayette wrote to his friend Levy. Then once the Ellis Island crowd started showing up, suddenly people were interested in proving that they were "more American" than the newcomers and you get the DAR and all these other "I was here first" organizations.

    “What if your ancestors were Virginia cavaliers who spend their time ordering around their Irish indentured servants and black slaves – do you get negative points for ancestral hardship? Should American Indians get super credit for having been here for 10,000 years and living completely off the land without even iron tools?”

    It’s the same high/low coalition here as elsewhere: natives get credit for arriving here 10,000 years ago, recent arrivals get credit for their “courage” for risking a 747 ride to immigrate to a welfare state, but the descendants of those who *voluntarily* left civilization to build civilization from scratch.

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  57. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D
    And the thing that follows from this is what? Having Mayflower ancestors makes you more of an American than Buffalo Joe or me? What if it's Mayflower on one side and Palermo 1906 on the other? Do you get 1/2 credit? What if your ancestors were Virginia cavaliers who spend their time ordering around their Irish indentured servants and black slaves - do you get negative points for ancestral hardship? Should American Indians get super credit for having been here for 10,000 years and living completely off the land without even iron tools?

    All through the 19th century, no one gave a damn about American history - Mt. Vernon fell into ruins, Monticello was saved only because Lafayette wrote to his friend Levy. Then once the Ellis Island crowd started showing up, suddenly people were interested in proving that they were "more American" than the newcomers and you get the DAR and all these other "I was here first" organizations.

    All through the 19th century, no one gave a damn about American history – Mt. Vernon fell into ruins, Monticello was saved only because Lafayette wrote to his friend Levy. Then once the Ellis Island crowd started showing up, suddenly people were interested in proving that they were “more American” than the newcomers and you get the DAR and all these other “I was here first” organizations.

    And a certain part of the Ellis Island crowd is now disproportionately involved in trying to delegitimize and erase that history and disenfranchise the people whose history it was.

    So what is the thing that follows from your point?

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  58. riches says:

    “… in Chicago, there were lots of identical-looking Eritreans and Ethiopians.”

    In the 90s I spoke occasionally with a Chicago Eritrean cabby. (He owned both the vehicle and medallion but didn’t actually drive for a living–opting instead to lease it out while he taught chemistry at a south suburban Lutheran high school.)

    When I admitted to him that I couldn’t tell his countrymen from the other, he smiled and said, “That’s ok, my wife can pass for Italian”!

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  59. Mr. Anon says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    ...great-grandpa arriving on the Lower East Side in 1906 wasn’t as hard as pioneering the West in 1800 or being a Pilgrim in 1620...
     
    Bravo for this statement of fact!

    …great-grandpa arriving on the Lower East Side in 1906 wasn’t as hard as pioneering the West in 1800 or being a Pilgrim in 1620…

    To be fair though, at least the Pilgrims didn’t have to work for callous, greedy sweat-shop owners like Max Blanck and Isaac Harris:

    Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire

    A movie for TV was made about it in the 70s.

    The Triangle Factory Fire Scandal

    I remember seeing it. They called out the factory owners, whose neglect for the safety of their workers led to so many deaths. I don’t remember them pointing out who those factory owners were.

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    To be fair though, at least the Pilgrims didn’t have to work for callous, greedy sweat-shop owners like Max Blanck and Isaac Harris:

    Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire

    A movie for TV was made about it in the 70s.

    The Triangle Factory Fire Scandal

    I remember seeing it. They called out the factory owners, whose neglect for the safety of their workers led to so many deaths. I don’t remember them pointing out who those factory owners were.
     

    You saw a movie about it? Are you serious?
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  60. huajj-e says:

    That migrants try to game the system is to be expected. However, they couldn’t have gamed the system unless politicians, civil servants, activists and lobbyists had made it game-able. As bad as many of Europes and Americas migrants are, they didn’t let themselves in.

    The commenter mentioned Zlatan, he isn’t actually a refugee, asylum applicant or even a migrant. His parents immigrated separately to Sweden from Yugoslavia and met in Sweden. The asylum diasporas, from Somalia to Lebanon to Iran, still like to claim him as their own though, and for the lügenpresse he is an avatar of everything that’s good about the last few decades of invasion. But the fact is we could have closed our borders 30 years ago and he would still have been born here.

    As for his violent relatives, it must be said that as bad as yugos are they are not nearly as bad as the middle-easterners and africans. Welfare fraud? Sure. Organized crime? You betcha. Drug- and gunrunning? In spades. Violent sadistic gangrapes of white women? Rotherham-style human trafficking? Writing I-hate-white-people-articles? Terrorism(excluding some bosniaks)? Nope. And as cucky as this sounds, the second and third generation, outside of the ones who join the criminal subculture, are actually pretty well integrated. In another few generations and assuming large scale migrations from the balkans doesn’t occur, they will be largely assimilated. We can live with the yugos in the long run. But we can’t live with the wretched of the earth.

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    Man kan ta en kille från Rosengård men man kan inte ta Rosengård från en kille.
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  61. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D
    That's great that you have the magic X-ray glasses that allow you to see contempt that is not there. I have the utmost respect for America, but for an America where all citizens are equal whether their ancestors came over on the Mayflower or in steerage from Hamburg or Genoa. We only have 1 class of citizenship.

    We only have 1 class of citizenship.

    But we don’t have one class of history. And, by the way, that “one class of citizenship” was only an ideal. It was never really true. And even the ideal is becoming less true everyday.

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  62. Arclight says:

    Andrew Sullivan is stumbling towards regaining some of his senses: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/11/how-the-democrats-are-failing-the-resistance.html

    This line in regards to the Latino Victory Fund ad in the VA governor’s race made me laugh out loud: “the LVF ad would give your average Vox or Coates reader an intersectional orgasm — while dooming the party on the ground.”

    I think the term ‘intersectional orgasm’ is going to be more prominent in the days to come…

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    Sullivan's discussion of the gubernatorial race in Virginia is very much worth reading.

    That race does promise to show how far Trumpism has come. It is really the only thing working in Gillespie's favor -- and the campaign of Northam is the sort of campaign any national Democrat must run, given their constituencies. Virginia has become something like a macrocosm of the US electorate, with the gap between the coastal DC spillover in the north and the flyover country everywhere else. Of course, Trump lost Virginia, and by 5.3%, because the DC spillover has increased in population, and Gillespie had been down by double digits, though he is coming into contention.

    If Gillespie comes close in the election, and especially if he wins, it's a nearly certain sign that Trumpism is winning, damn the polls that may seem to say otherwise.

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  63. Mr. Anon says:
    @Wilkey
    "I’m not a big fan of “I was here first” status seeking, but IMHO it is far better than the BS (like the Stephens quote above) we are seeing now. Not to mention tearing down both the reputations and monuments of those who came earlier."

    That goes to the heart of who is really waging war against whom. Mayflower descendants aren't exactly running around these days rubbing their Mayflower descent in people's faces, claiming superiority over those who came later. It's one side waging all the fighting: the Ellis Island and post-Ellis Island immigrants, telling us "what this country is really about" and that this has always been a "nation of immigrants" and that therefore we have no right to limit immigration, or restrict immigration from certain places, etc.; or suggesting that arriving in an America that's already been built via steamship or 747 is *exactly the same risk* as those who left advanced societies (ca. 1620) to come to an empty wilderness on rickety sailboats where they had to battle frequently hostile natives and build almost everything from scratch. Oh, your ancestors had to look at (phony) "No Irish Need Apply" signs? Cool. Some of mine were scalped by Injuns during King Phillips War.

    It's sort of like the battle over the causes of black poverty. The truth is that there just aren't a lot of people who care about the fact that blacks have lower IQs. It only becomes politically relevant when blacks and others proclaim that black misery is a result of racism.

    That goes to the heart of who is really waging war against whom. Mayflower descendants aren’t exactly running around these days rubbing their Mayflower descent in people’s faces, claiming superiority over those who came later. It’s one side waging all the fighting: the Ellis Island and post-Ellis Island immigrants, telling us “what this country is really about” and that this has always been a “nation of immigrants” and that therefore we have no right to limit immigration, or restrict immigration from certain places, etc.;

    Exactly. I’m sick of hearing all that “that’s not who we are” bulls**t from people who are only here because my ancestors made a country for them to emigrate to.

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  64. benjaminl says:

    Semi-off-topic, today in intra-left squabbling:

    Blue-chip art museums give red-carpet treatment to “Cherokee” artist whose actual claim to “Native identity” is somewhat Rachel Dolezalesque. Discord ensues.

    https://hyperallergic.com/387970/jimmie-durham-retrospective-reignites-debate-over-his-claim-of-native-ancestry/

    http://www.artinamericamagazine.com/news-features/magazine/issues-commentary-the-artist-formerly-known-as-cherokee/

    http://www.artinamericamagazine.com/news-features/magazine/issues-commentary-ethnic-fraud-and-art/

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    It seems half of the outrage is that this guy's native-themed art was more esteemed in the art world than work created by people with authentic ancestry. Although anyone is free to make use of 'white' culture, but there can be no intrusion on non-white culture by white artists or writers because that is appropriation. I guess the phrase 'imitation is the sincerest form of flattery' has been forgotten.
    , @snorlax
    Durant's Real Indian accusers:

    Bree Black Horse

    http://nativenewsonline.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/BBH-headshot.png

    Rosy Simas

    http://www.intermediaarts.org/images/www/files_sandbox/PRO17_IMG_SimasRosy_Profile.jpg

    America Meredith

    http://www.uncp.edu/sites/default/files/Images_Docs/Academics/Colleges_Schools_and_Departments/Departments/American_Indian_Studies/speaker-series/america_meredith.jpg

    Kathy White

    http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ev_2D1NMQrc/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAABY/HxaCKXkA41A/s512-c/photo.jpg

    Heid Erdrich

    http://www.heiderdrich.com/wp-content/uploads/heid-erdrich.jpeg

    Louise Erdrich (Heid's sister)

    https://i1.wp.com/www.twincities.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/LouiseErdrich.jpg?w=620&crop=0%2C0px%2C100%2C9999px

    Dyani White Hawk

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/68/02/16/6802160a1c4de266058280072ee79169.jpg

    Lara Evans

    http://sarweb.org/media/images/iarc_speaker_lara_evans_square/iarc_speaker_lara_evans_square_m.jpg

    Nancy Mithlo

    http://2009.artsinsociety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/nancymithlo.jpg

    Gwen Westerman

    http://english.mnsu.edu/faculty/images/2014/westerman2.jpg
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  65. @asdf
    "But if you tried to guess which one they were, they’d get offended that you had confused them with their mortal enemies."

    Reminds me of the Star Trek episode where one guy is white on the left and black on the right, and another guy is the same except the other way around.

    And they all end up killing each other.

    That episode makes its point (“Raycizum iz bad!!!”) with a sledgehammer, but it can also be taken (subversively) as a illustration of the pitfalls of miscegenation. The half-breed knows no peace of mind; he is forever torn between two worlds. The racial split runs through his soul like the San Andreas fault.

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  66. @Arclight
    Andrew Sullivan is stumbling towards regaining some of his senses: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/11/how-the-democrats-are-failing-the-resistance.html

    This line in regards to the Latino Victory Fund ad in the VA governor's race made me laugh out loud: "the LVF ad would give your average Vox or Coates reader an intersectional orgasm — while dooming the party on the ground."

    I think the term 'intersectional orgasm' is going to be more prominent in the days to come...

    Sullivan’s discussion of the gubernatorial race in Virginia is very much worth reading.

    That race does promise to show how far Trumpism has come. It is really the only thing working in Gillespie’s favor — and the campaign of Northam is the sort of campaign any national Democrat must run, given their constituencies. Virginia has become something like a macrocosm of the US electorate, with the gap between the coastal DC spillover in the north and the flyover country everywhere else. Of course, Trump lost Virginia, and by 5.3%, because the DC spillover has increased in population, and Gillespie had been down by double digits, though he is coming into contention.

    If Gillespie comes close in the election, and especially if he wins, it’s a nearly certain sign that Trumpism is winning, damn the polls that may seem to say otherwise.

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    I'd add the further point that Sullivan, and others who might wish the Democrats could put together a "populist" response, on a basic level just don't get it.

    The problem is that the left, and the media, and the Democrats have painted themselves into a corner with identity politics and the Coalition of the Fringes. What they have really done with identity politics, and its subsidiaries of pro-immigration and anti-racism, is create sacred objects. The problem with sacred objects is that they can never be contested or minimized or ignored, especially by those who profess the faith -- as they all do. Pragmatic considerations of electability mean nothing compared to the need to bow the knee to the sacralized. The viciousness with which the left attacked Northam when he flip-flopped on sanctuary cities demonstrates the depth of the problem.

    National Democrats will never more be allowed to deviate from this orthodoxy, so long as the orthodoxy reigns in their circles of the elite. And there's nothing effectively pushing back in those circles against that orthodoxy -- indeed, it seems only to take firmer hold as Trumpism advances, and the elite becomes more convinced of its moral superiority.

    , @Detective Club
    Turnout last year in Virginia was over 70%. The DC suburbs of Virginia are pure Jackass territory. That's how Hillary won in the state. If turnout falls below 60%, even a RINO like Gillespie could win. But Gillespie is doing what McCain did in 2010 in Arizona (pretending to want a wall and pretending to be against Amnesty). If Gillespie wins, he'll do a McCain 2013 (joining the Gang of 8 and voting for Amnesty).
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  67. Arclight says:
    @benjaminl
    Semi-off-topic, today in intra-left squabbling:

    Blue-chip art museums give red-carpet treatment to "Cherokee" artist whose actual claim to "Native identity" is somewhat Rachel Dolezalesque. Discord ensues.

    https://hyperallergic.com/387970/jimmie-durham-retrospective-reignites-debate-over-his-claim-of-native-ancestry/
    http://www.artinamericamagazine.com/news-features/magazine/issues-commentary-the-artist-formerly-known-as-cherokee/
    http://www.artinamericamagazine.com/news-features/magazine/issues-commentary-ethnic-fraud-and-art/

    It seems half of the outrage is that this guy’s native-themed art was more esteemed in the art world than work created by people with authentic ancestry. Although anyone is free to make use of ‘white’ culture, but there can be no intrusion on non-white culture by white artists or writers because that is appropriation. I guess the phrase ‘imitation is the sincerest form of flattery’ has been forgotten.

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  68. AM says:
    @Jack D
    That's great that you have the magic X-ray glasses that allow you to see contempt that is not there. I have the utmost respect for America, but for an America where all citizens are equal whether their ancestors came over on the Mayflower or in steerage from Hamburg or Genoa. We only have 1 class of citizenship.

    That’s great that you have the magic X-ray glasses that allow you to see contempt that is not there. I have the utmost respect for America, but for an America where all citizens are equal whether their ancestors came over on the Mayflower or in steerage from Hamburg or Genoa. We only have 1 class of citizenship.

    That’s funny, because I saw nothing but contempt and arrogance in your post. In choosing to tear down my history, rather than approach it with any balance, you make yourself in contempt of my culture.

    I do have more natural rights to the US than you do because my ancestors stretch all the way back to the next boat after the Mayflower. I’m sorry, there it is. The US genius of folding in new arrivals only works to the extent that the new arrivals have a long term interest in the US. You clear do not, nor do you think much of this country.

    So yes “we” have 1 class of citizenship. But “we” are now in need of patriots rather than paper citizens.

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  69. Dan Hayes says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - don't know if anyone's posted this, via hbdchick's twitter.

    https://www.navytimes.com/breaking-news/2017/11/01/navy-crews-at-fault-in-fatal-collisions-investigations-find/


    "The report reveals that both collisions came after critical failures of officers and sailors on the bridge and raises troubling questions about the basic proficiency of the Japan-based 7th Fleet and the surface Navy as a whole.

    In both incidents, sailors on the bridge failed to sound a ship-wide alarm notifying the crew of danger, which is a standard Navy procedure.

    Ships at sea must sound five short blasts of the ship’s whistle to alert the crew and the other ship of a coming collision. That did not occur in either collision. Neither the crew members below deck nor the other ships involved had any warning from the Navy that their ships were headed for disaster, the reports found."
     

    But it's all good in what little remains of the Royal Navy.

    "The captain of a Trident nuclear submarine has been stripped of his command over claims that he had an affair with a female junior officer.
    Senior commanders were sent to the vessel in international waters after allegations emerged of an ‘inappropriate relationship’ with the woman, it was reported.
    Stuart Armstrong, commanding officer of the Vanguard-class submarine HMS Vigilant, has been relieved of duties while he is under investigation.

    The affair allegations come after the Navy’s first female warship captain, Sarah West, was released from her command of the frigate HMS Portland over an affair with a married officer in 2014 – claims both denied.

    Women were banned from serving on submarines until 2011. But in 2014, three female lieutenants became the first in the fleet’s 113-year history. "
     

    Or is it?

    "One of the Royal Navy’s flagship destroyers has become embroiled in a sex crimes scandal after an officer was suspended while facing allegations from servicewomen of sexual harassment and rape.

    The Sunday Times has learnt that an officer on HMS Daring is under investigation by navy police after “several” women came forward to make complaints about his conduct during a deployment to the Middle East."
     

    YetAnotherAnon:

    These modern-day episodes follow in the hallowed and grand traditions of the Royal Navy:

    “The traditions of the Royal Navy are rum, sodomy and the lash” – Winston Churchill.

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  71. 11 Bravo says:
    @Jack D
    That's great that you have the magic X-ray glasses that allow you to see contempt that is not there. I have the utmost respect for America, but for an America where all citizens are equal whether their ancestors came over on the Mayflower or in steerage from Hamburg or Genoa. We only have 1 class of citizenship.

    We only have 1 class of citizenship.

    True. But the descendants of the founding stock should still be given the respect deserving of a ‘first among equals’ group. Instead they are routinely ridiculed and maligned.

    It is no accident that the US, Canada, Australia and NZ are unique among new world nations. They all had a similar founding stock, and coincidentally they are the only first world nations in the new world. For all their accomplishments in the aforementioned nations, Germans, Italians, Jews, former slaves and others have not been able to replicate that success in the rest of the new world despite the fact the non-English new world has in large part better climes and resources.

    Maybe it’s time they realized why that is and treat the founding stock with the respect and admiration it deserves.

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  72. Sean says:
    @27 year old

    The constitution of the Republic of Ireland was changed because of this, removing birth-right citizenship from individuals without the right of permanent residency after thousands of pregnant Nigerian women flooded the main maternity ward after this fact was discovered and disseminated over the Internet.
     
    Few know this.

    Seems like something we should study and learn from.

    It is often forgotten that the Rivers Of Blood speech was about an Englishman who was emigrating. Ireland did not have any ( net) immigration between 2009 and 2016. The capable natives leaving their European countries is something people, with the exception of Gunnar Heinsohn (and Frank Field in the BBC Enoch Powell documentary), have stopped talking about. Things are changing faster than it looks at first blush.

    Some people say the increase in the workforce is the main driver of economic growth (doubling the workforce explaining the decades of recent strong growth). Stuffing the advanced countries full of economically active people (expected to become scarce in future) is a necessity according to mainstream received wisdom. But in Europe they are going to lose their more qualified people than they get.

    Taxes are going to have to be put up and benefits cut before Darwinism’s Evil Twin (artificial intelligence) removes the necessity of an able workforce. All those redundant people (50% of the population) are not going just take drugs and play computer games. And if they let strong AI onto the internet, 1000% of human beings will not just be economically redundant, they’ll cease to exist.

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  73. @YetAnotherAnon
    The Irish also made trespass on land a criminal, rather than a civil offence some thirty years back, at which point criminal traveller gangs in Ireland upped sticks for the UK.

    Google "traveller slavery UK".

    ” criminal traveller gangs”The word you are trying not to use is Gypsy.

    There, that didn’t hurt, now, did it?

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    They're called 'Travellers' in the British Isles. If I'm not mistaken, they're ethnically distinct from Gypsies, though with some similar lifeways.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    "The word you are trying not to use is Gypsy."

    Not as simple as that. British gypsies, Romanies, have been around for a long time in the UK and were an accepted part of the landscape, if perhaps less law-abiding than the average Brit (economist Adam Smith is reported has being stolen by gypsies as a baby). They and the settled population had arrived at a kind of modus vivendi over the centuries, and they feature in many children's books from Victorian times to the 1950s.


    My mother said
    I never should
    Play with the gypsies in the wood
    If I did
    She would say
    "Naughty girl to disobey"

     

    The Victorian writer George Borrow travelled with them, wrote about them, and also recorded their dislike and fear of the "wild Irish". I don't call Irish travellers gypsies because I don't know if they actually are, but they're certainly wild.

    The Roma here now, and the gypsies of Spain and southern France, are related to British Romanies but don't have the hundreds of years of acculturation to settled Brit culture.

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    …great-grandpa arriving on the Lower East Side in 1906 wasn’t as hard as pioneering the West in 1800 or being a Pilgrim in 1620…
     
    To be fair though, at least the Pilgrims didn't have to work for callous, greedy sweat-shop owners like Max Blanck and Isaac Harris:

    Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire

    A movie for TV was made about it in the 70s.

    The Triangle Factory Fire Scandal

    I remember seeing it. They called out the factory owners, whose neglect for the safety of their workers led to so many deaths. I don't remember them pointing out who those factory owners were.

    To be fair though, at least the Pilgrims didn’t have to work for callous, greedy sweat-shop owners like Max Blanck and Isaac Harris:

    Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire

    A movie for TV was made about it in the 70s.

    The Triangle Factory Fire Scandal

    I remember seeing it. They called out the factory owners, whose neglect for the safety of their workers led to so many deaths. I don’t remember them pointing out who those factory owners were.

    You saw a movie about it? Are you serious?

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    You saw a movie about it? Are you serious?
     
    Yes, I am serious when I say that there was a movie made about it, and that I saw it. What is your point? Or is it too much to ask that you have one?
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  75. @Jack D
    Men and women confined together on a ship or submarine had sex with each other? Who could have imagined that this would happen? We all know that sailors take sacred vows of celibacy that they would never dare to breach.

    For a thousand years in Europe a woman on a ship was an abomination.
    (unless they were chattel being looted, of course)

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  76. @candid_observer
    Sullivan's discussion of the gubernatorial race in Virginia is very much worth reading.

    That race does promise to show how far Trumpism has come. It is really the only thing working in Gillespie's favor -- and the campaign of Northam is the sort of campaign any national Democrat must run, given their constituencies. Virginia has become something like a macrocosm of the US electorate, with the gap between the coastal DC spillover in the north and the flyover country everywhere else. Of course, Trump lost Virginia, and by 5.3%, because the DC spillover has increased in population, and Gillespie had been down by double digits, though he is coming into contention.

    If Gillespie comes close in the election, and especially if he wins, it's a nearly certain sign that Trumpism is winning, damn the polls that may seem to say otherwise.

    I’d add the further point that Sullivan, and others who might wish the Democrats could put together a “populist” response, on a basic level just don’t get it.

    The problem is that the left, and the media, and the Democrats have painted themselves into a corner with identity politics and the Coalition of the Fringes. What they have really done with identity politics, and its subsidiaries of pro-immigration and anti-racism, is create sacred objects. The problem with sacred objects is that they can never be contested or minimized or ignored, especially by those who profess the faith — as they all do. Pragmatic considerations of electability mean nothing compared to the need to bow the knee to the sacralized. The viciousness with which the left attacked Northam when he flip-flopped on sanctuary cities demonstrates the depth of the problem.

    National Democrats will never more be allowed to deviate from this orthodoxy, so long as the orthodoxy reigns in their circles of the elite. And there’s nothing effectively pushing back in those circles against that orthodoxy — indeed, it seems only to take firmer hold as Trumpism advances, and the elite becomes more convinced of its moral superiority.

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    True - modern progressivism is essentially a religious cult, and its idols cannot be questioned or insulted. Heretics will be cash out and punished, if possible.
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  77. @YetAnotherAnon
    The Irish also made trespass on land a criminal, rather than a civil offence some thirty years back, at which point criminal traveller gangs in Ireland upped sticks for the UK.

    Google "traveller slavery UK".

    In Ireland we call them “knackers.” Such a wretched embarrassment

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  78. AM says:
    @biz
    So what? Life was harder for everyone in every way in 1620 or 1800 than 1906.

    Life is currently more of a challenge for a Syrian or Honduran peasant than it is for me but that doesn't mean that they have more of a claim to American Citizenship than I do.

    Life is currently more of a challenge for a Syrian or Honduran peasant than it is for me but that doesn’t mean that they have more of a claim to American Citizenship than I do.

    The point is that settling a nation, carving it out of wilderness, is much more difficult than just showing up to a reasonably open, already developed nation at later period in time. At least 25% of potential colonists went back the first year at the time of founding. Slavery was introduced to the Americas in part because most European peasants were not interested in farming in the middle of nowhere. Europe was way better than colonial America and it makes sense that only few ethnic groups had any interest at all in the place.

    There is a vast difference in the viewpoint of the descendants of Ellis Island and those with a majority of ancestors here before 1890 or so. “We’re a nation of immigrants” is about Ellis Island immigrants basically taking on control of the government and history and creating a more hospitable environment and narrative for themselves. Ellis Island was closed way too late, I think. Now of course, we’re collecting the world like they are live Pokemon and the result are entirely predictable. The descendants of white settlers shot in their church by an imported arrival who drank the narrative. And that’s just the tip of it.

    I look around and feel like my back is against the wall, in a world where my ancestors did amazing things in a bid to mostly live their lives without aristocrats running them. Trump is just so awesomely American in so much that he “gets” us. Hopefully we can get any sort of immigration changes through permanently. We’ll see.

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  79. snorlax says:
    @benjaminl
    Semi-off-topic, today in intra-left squabbling:

    Blue-chip art museums give red-carpet treatment to "Cherokee" artist whose actual claim to "Native identity" is somewhat Rachel Dolezalesque. Discord ensues.

    https://hyperallergic.com/387970/jimmie-durham-retrospective-reignites-debate-over-his-claim-of-native-ancestry/
    http://www.artinamericamagazine.com/news-features/magazine/issues-commentary-the-artist-formerly-known-as-cherokee/
    http://www.artinamericamagazine.com/news-features/magazine/issues-commentary-ethnic-fraud-and-art/

    Durant’s Real Indian accusers:

    Bree Black Horse

    Rosy Simas

    America Meredith

    Kathy White

    Heid Erdrich

    Louise Erdrich (Heid’s sister)

    https://i1.wp.com/www.twincities.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/LouiseErdrich.jpg?w=620&crop=0%2C0px%2C100%2C9999px

    Dyani White Hawk

    Lara Evans

    Nancy Mithlo

    Gwen Westerman

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    In fairness Westerman, White Hawk and Simas look like they do have Indian ancestry, although in Simas' case probably by way of Mexico given her surname.
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  80. @candid_observer
    Sullivan's discussion of the gubernatorial race in Virginia is very much worth reading.

    That race does promise to show how far Trumpism has come. It is really the only thing working in Gillespie's favor -- and the campaign of Northam is the sort of campaign any national Democrat must run, given their constituencies. Virginia has become something like a macrocosm of the US electorate, with the gap between the coastal DC spillover in the north and the flyover country everywhere else. Of course, Trump lost Virginia, and by 5.3%, because the DC spillover has increased in population, and Gillespie had been down by double digits, though he is coming into contention.

    If Gillespie comes close in the election, and especially if he wins, it's a nearly certain sign that Trumpism is winning, damn the polls that may seem to say otherwise.

    Turnout last year in Virginia was over 70%. The DC suburbs of Virginia are pure Jackass territory. That’s how Hillary won in the state. If turnout falls below 60%, even a RINO like Gillespie could win. But Gillespie is doing what McCain did in 2010 in Arizona (pretending to want a wall and pretending to be against Amnesty). If Gillespie wins, he’ll do a McCain 2013 (joining the Gang of 8 and voting for Amnesty).

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  81. snorlax says:
    @snorlax
    Durant's Real Indian accusers:

    Bree Black Horse

    http://nativenewsonline.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/BBH-headshot.png

    Rosy Simas

    http://www.intermediaarts.org/images/www/files_sandbox/PRO17_IMG_SimasRosy_Profile.jpg

    America Meredith

    http://www.uncp.edu/sites/default/files/Images_Docs/Academics/Colleges_Schools_and_Departments/Departments/American_Indian_Studies/speaker-series/america_meredith.jpg

    Kathy White

    http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ev_2D1NMQrc/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAABY/HxaCKXkA41A/s512-c/photo.jpg

    Heid Erdrich

    http://www.heiderdrich.com/wp-content/uploads/heid-erdrich.jpeg

    Louise Erdrich (Heid's sister)

    https://i1.wp.com/www.twincities.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/LouiseErdrich.jpg?w=620&crop=0%2C0px%2C100%2C9999px

    Dyani White Hawk

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/68/02/16/6802160a1c4de266058280072ee79169.jpg

    Lara Evans

    http://sarweb.org/media/images/iarc_speaker_lara_evans_square/iarc_speaker_lara_evans_square_m.jpg

    Nancy Mithlo

    http://2009.artsinsociety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/nancymithlo.jpg

    Gwen Westerman

    http://english.mnsu.edu/faculty/images/2014/westerman2.jpg

    In fairness Westerman, White Hawk and Simas look like they do have Indian ancestry, although in Simas’ case probably by way of Mexico given her surname.

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  82. Fredrik says:
    @Anonymous
    A little known fact - the EU forced the UK to accede to 'full female equality' in armed forces personnel.

    Likely, the UK would have been 'progressive' anyway and moved with these degenerate times, but the EU still forced it.

    Untrue,

    there are so many blatant lies about the EU in Britain it’s not even funny. Not sure why you don’t stick with the truths. They’re bad enough.

    The EU only asked Britain to review the rule. Nothing else…

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    Sorry, but in the 'EU context', we all know what being 'asked' to 'review the rule' *really* means.

    The answer is, of course, the prelude to a prosecution by the 'European Court of Justice'.
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  83. bomag says:
    @Jack D
    That's great that you have the magic X-ray glasses that allow you to see contempt that is not there. I have the utmost respect for America, but for an America where all citizens are equal whether their ancestors came over on the Mayflower or in steerage from Hamburg or Genoa. We only have 1 class of citizenship.

    We only have 1 class of citizenship.

    My thinking, also.

    But we’ve got to pull up the rope ladder; nurture the folks in the tree house; and make them feel part of something larger than their ethnic identity before the thing overloads and crashes into oncoming traffic.

    We’ve got fifty million +/- Mexicans et al running around speaking Spanish; Somali pirates on sabbatical getting special privileges; etc. and everyone else pretty soon starts looking around for an Anglo, or German, or Irish group to join that will look out for their interests rather than spooling up any fealty for a leadership that keeps ramping up the insults.

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  84. Fredrik says:
    @Wilkey
    "The Eritrean pretending to be Ethiopian is another oldie but a goodie because a Western official has no way of being able to tell them apart."

    Bullsit. If an 80 IQ Eritrean can figure out how to lie, cheat, and steal his way into an advanced Western democracy then a (supposedly) 100 IQ Western bureaucrat with a college degree and a nice little sinecure can figure out how to determine if the "refugee" is lying: language, dialect, accent, knowledge of very simple facts about your alleged country of origin. Simple things. And if you're too stupid not to speak the appropriate language or know simple facts about your home country then maybe we don't want you.

    The real problem with so many jobs - and it's especially a problem in the government - is that there is zero punishment for fucking it up, so the only incentive is to avoid making decisions that will cause you a lot of headaches or make you do any actual work. What's the punishment for a government bureaucrat in Europe or America who rubber stamps 100 bogus asylum applications? Nothing. Absolutely nothing - even if your lying immigrant goes on a terrorist killing spree you will still be sitting there at your job 20 years later, still getting paid for fucking up your country. It's time to start holding these bureaucrats accountable.

    It’s not BS. The reason why you can’t tell them apart is because there is major overlap between Eritreans and Ethiopians.

    How do you tell a Tigrinya from Eritrea apart from a Tigrayan from Ethiopia when they are the same ethnic group with the same language? You’re probably thinking now that since you can tell English speakers apart it’s easy but don’t forget that in the Ethiopian/Eritrean case it’s as a foreigner you have to figure it out, not as a native speaker.

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  85. @Arclight
    Again, foreign governments probably can barely believe how insanely stupid our immigration policy is. They get to ship tens of thousands (or millions in the case of Mexico) of people they can't do anything with to a rich country where they can easily get on social welfare or hourly job and then send remittances back to their home country that constitute a significant fraction of GDP.

    For all the squawking from protectionists (traditionally on the left) here about how unfettered free trade constitutes a massive transfer of wealth from the working class in the first world to the third world, the same is true when it comes to immigration - and it's crickets on that front.

    Free trade is one of main driving forces behind third world immigration. Thanks to free trade agreements like NAFTA, Mexican peasants have been forced off the land by foreign imports and now come to the US to work on American farms. Manufacturing in Latin America has also been heavily hit by foreign imports.

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    The shift to free trade in the US also started about the same time that the shift to open borders occurred. Shortly after the US changed its immigration policy to let in more non-white workers, it also started to open its borders to Asian imports. Nixon tried to reverse this, but didn't get very far.
    , @Anonymous
    Latin American manufacturing is unbelievably crappy and cost ineffective in many cases. I knew a guy who was into old Chevys who was sent down to Argentina by his employer. Argentina is awash in old Chevys, only they are Argentine built old Chevys made with worn out Detroit tooling, because they have no toolmakers or die sinkers worth talking about. At any rate, he found a factory that made rubber parts like weatherstripping and window gaskets for Chevys of what in the US were the muscle car era, where there is a big restoration market. The problem was that the Argies used a cheap rubber without the anti-oxidizing ingredients rubber in the US needs to hold up. So he tried to get them to make a run for him with a changed rubber compound. It turned into a total clusterfuck, and every one of the Argie car buffs he talked to (who made an art of smuggling US made parts technically banned to upgrade their Argentine Chevies) told him that is exactly what they expected. Basically, all Argentine manufacture is done by incompetents who have a job through government fiat (no pun intended).

    If foreign cars weren't supertariffed or banned entirely Argentine car manufacture would vanish and everyone would buy Kias.
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  86. @unpc downunder
    Free trade is one of main driving forces behind third world immigration. Thanks to free trade agreements like NAFTA, Mexican peasants have been forced off the land by foreign imports and now come to the US to work on American farms. Manufacturing in Latin America has also been heavily hit by foreign imports.

    The shift to free trade in the US also started about the same time that the shift to open borders occurred. Shortly after the US changed its immigration policy to let in more non-white workers, it also started to open its borders to Asian imports. Nixon tried to reverse this, but didn’t get very far.

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  87. Mr. Anon says:

    OT: Senator Rand Paul was attacked in his home by an intruder.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-04/rand-paul-assaulted-intruder-kentucky-home

    The suspect, charged with 4th-degree assault, is Rene Boucher, 59 y.o., of Bowling Green, Kentucky. Curiously, he appears to be a doctor.

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  88. Yak-15 says:
    @Wilkey
    "I’m not a big fan of “I was here first” status seeking, but IMHO it is far better than the BS (like the Stephens quote above) we are seeing now. Not to mention tearing down both the reputations and monuments of those who came earlier."

    That goes to the heart of who is really waging war against whom. Mayflower descendants aren't exactly running around these days rubbing their Mayflower descent in people's faces, claiming superiority over those who came later. It's one side waging all the fighting: the Ellis Island and post-Ellis Island immigrants, telling us "what this country is really about" and that this has always been a "nation of immigrants" and that therefore we have no right to limit immigration, or restrict immigration from certain places, etc.; or suggesting that arriving in an America that's already been built via steamship or 747 is *exactly the same risk* as those who left advanced societies (ca. 1620) to come to an empty wilderness on rickety sailboats where they had to battle frequently hostile natives and build almost everything from scratch. Oh, your ancestors had to look at (phony) "No Irish Need Apply" signs? Cool. Some of mine were scalped by Injuns during King Phillips War.

    It's sort of like the battle over the causes of black poverty. The truth is that there just aren't a lot of people who care about the fact that blacks have lower IQs. It only becomes politically relevant when blacks and others proclaim that black misery is a result of racism.

    These are my exact sentiments. The nature of those who settled America in the first waves was vastly different from those who came over once the cities were built and the amenities of civilization were established. My ancestors came over here, fought the natives and tamed the land. They fought and died in every major American war including the Civil War – on both sides.

    Why am I being lectured about my history and forced to disavow things by people whose ancestors came from other places – who hand no hand in constructing America or even fighting for its survival?

    I don’t believe in special privilege for those who can trace their ancestry back before the revolutionary war, but I think our place in American history and our heritage needs to be respected. As in, your ancestors weren’t here, they have their own culture and their own history that I respect. Don’t tell me it’s a moral imperative to remove statues that represent my culture and my history. It’s my right by inheritance to have a say, not theirs.

    When I travel abroad I don’t demand statues of mass murdering warlords be torn down. I don’t tell them that their history is replete with the savagery of rape, conquest and unequal treatment of minorities and tell them that they need to change their conception of their past.

    This entire paradigm of shamming American history is beyond absurd. Who are foreigners to tell me about my history?

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  89. fnn says:
    @Jack D
    Immigration fraud goes way back. At the beginning of the 20th century, there was a whole business in "paper sons" on the West Coast. Chinese immigrants would get in by pretending to be the sons of Chinese who were already US citizens. You had to memorize an elaborate back story because they would question the "father" and "son" separately on the details of their family history, the village that they came from, etc. Luckily, Chinese are really good at memorization.

    For all the squawking from protectionists (traditionally on the left) …

    The GOP was protectionist from its founding in 1856 up until 1946. Arguably Lincoln was a leftist , but certainly not Calvin Coolidge. In 1946, protectionism was pointless because US had no industrial competitors in the wake of the massive destruction of WW2.

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  90. @Moshe
    The local elite in every generation that aided large groups of foreign invaders were traitors.

    The Indians who helped the colonists were traitors to fellow denizens of the continent.... and so on through every iteration, from French to German to Irish to Jewish to Vietnamese...

    The elite who invited my ancestors for the cheap labor were traitors, as was the elite that didn't fend of yours.

    This land is my land, this land is your land, because we are here. I was born here. I pay taxes here. I speak the language and know the people and understand the culture and love the land as my birthright.

    By American Law I am here a natural born citizen - a partial owner of the land. But ultimately, the land goes to he who can take it and hold it.

    Or, more accurately, to he whom our elite encourage to take.

    Like all of anima-kind, we descend from invadors. Our survival depends on whether we can withstand the invasion of others. Vae Victis!

    Remember Roanoke!

    A fifth column is more perilous than any external enemy.

    I’m also always reminded of the Aztecs’ rival tribes who gave aid & comfort to the Cortes and Conquistadors because they envied their power and wanted to overthrow the empire that ruled over them.

    The New World’s trojan horse strategy just keeps repeating itself.

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    The New World’s trojan horse strategy just keeps repeating itself.
     
    Yet another thing you people owe to Britain. It's known as "the Vortigern gambit" over here. Original and best.
    What possible risk to the relict but still potent 'Continuity Empire of Rome in Britannia' could there be in contracting three or so boatloads of expendable heathen German savages to fend off the even viler Pictish pagans?

    That worked out just dandy, didn't it?
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  91. so he then proceeded to ask them very simple questions about Christianity that even somebody with no theological interest but from a Christian community, would know.

    Like, what’s wrong with this lyric attempt at a gospel song:

    Never been a sinner,
    I never sinned.
    I got a friend in Jesus…

    I don’t blame the Jewish guy who wrote and sang the song. I blame all the lazy (or renegade?) Christians around him who didn’t catch it before it got released to the public.

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    LOL.

    The best response was to Canned Ham: "Norman, what would the rabbi say?"
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Where you gonna go when you die?
    Heaven.
    Denied!
    Next.

    Where you gonna go when you die?
    The spirit in the sky?
    Welcome to America!
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  92. @Jack D
    That's great that you have the magic X-ray glasses that allow you to see contempt that is not there. I have the utmost respect for America, but for an America where all citizens are equal whether their ancestors came over on the Mayflower or in steerage from Hamburg or Genoa. We only have 1 class of citizenship.

    Maybe that’s the point you are retreating to now that you were called out- but your comment as it stands was full of contempt.

    Now maybe that contempt was the product of a brief moment in which your sense of amour propre was singed by your shallow historical roots in this county. In which case I can understand your response- it was the snide remonstrance of a short man about the importance of height. Everyone at heart wants what they don’t possess and envy is certainly universal and far more forgivable than contempt.

    But using two examples as evidence that no one cared is ridiculous and even if they didn’t who cares. The Judeans and Israelites didn’t care very much for Israel either if half the Minor Prophets are to be believed. Does that call Zionism into question? Never in a million years would you accept that logic. What matters to you is your deep loyalty to the state of Israel not the fecklessness of the Jews who couldn’t be bothers to return home from Persia when given the chance by cyrus.

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  93. @Wilkey
    "The Eritrean pretending to be Ethiopian is another oldie but a goodie because a Western official has no way of being able to tell them apart."

    Bullsit. If an 80 IQ Eritrean can figure out how to lie, cheat, and steal his way into an advanced Western democracy then a (supposedly) 100 IQ Western bureaucrat with a college degree and a nice little sinecure can figure out how to determine if the "refugee" is lying: language, dialect, accent, knowledge of very simple facts about your alleged country of origin. Simple things. And if you're too stupid not to speak the appropriate language or know simple facts about your home country then maybe we don't want you.

    The real problem with so many jobs - and it's especially a problem in the government - is that there is zero punishment for fucking it up, so the only incentive is to avoid making decisions that will cause you a lot of headaches or make you do any actual work. What's the punishment for a government bureaucrat in Europe or America who rubber stamps 100 bogus asylum applications? Nothing. Absolutely nothing - even if your lying immigrant goes on a terrorist killing spree you will still be sitting there at your job 20 years later, still getting paid for fucking up your country. It's time to start holding these bureaucrats accountable.

    Why do remote federal bureaucrats decide who your neighborhood has to risk welcoming and make an effort to integrate?

    There should be local citizen input. Let a jury of citizens veto the slate of candidates for local residency and allocate the number of spaces that they are confident that they can integrate. The locals have all the costs & risks, they should have a say on who gets the honor of one of the scarce visas. The locals will have a better chance of identifying which candidates are making good faith efforts to integrate and which candidates actually admire and identify with American values to discern them from the moochers who are content to live in their unassimilated parallel societies.

    Sure it’ll be subject to the arbitrary whim of those involved, but if it’s good enough for us to put faith in for criminal justice & whether to condemn somebody to a lifetime of imprisonment or perhaps even execution, then it should be good enough for this.

    My inspiration for decentralizing evaluation and decision about immigrant visas and giving ordinary citizens more input was inspired by this story:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4106258/Left-wing-vegan-moved-Switzerland-denied-Swiss-passport-annoying.html

    If only ordinary American citizens had the power and the backbone to withdraw our welcome to any annoying foreigners who come not to adapt to American norms & ways but with a desire to tear them down and demand “tolerance” & support to undermine our traditions & replace them with their strange foreign customs & habits.

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    Is this the immigrant to Switzerland who complained about the incessant cowbell noise in the Swiss village, so her neighbors denied her citizenship because no true Swissman hates cowbell?
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  94. @Jack D
    And the thing that follows from this is what? Having Mayflower ancestors makes you more of an American than Buffalo Joe or me? What if it's Mayflower on one side and Palermo 1906 on the other? Do you get 1/2 credit? What if your ancestors were Virginia cavaliers who spend their time ordering around their Irish indentured servants and black slaves - do you get negative points for ancestral hardship? Should American Indians get super credit for having been here for 10,000 years and living completely off the land without even iron tools?

    All through the 19th century, no one gave a damn about American history - Mt. Vernon fell into ruins, Monticello was saved only because Lafayette wrote to his friend Levy. Then once the Ellis Island crowd started showing up, suddenly people were interested in proving that they were "more American" than the newcomers and you get the DAR and all these other "I was here first" organizations.

    There’s the enormous difference that today’s newcomers are trained to resent the hosts whose ancestors & traditions have made the place so attractive for them to leave the unfortunate situations of their previous home country behind. The newcomers are indoctrinated to reject and view with contempt any of the history, traditions & customs of their host as the racist legacy of deadwhitemales & whiteprivilege. Previous generations also were not granted any bonus in consideration for the allocation of society’s privileges & rewards like official & private affirmative action & diversity initiatives promise to current newcomers & their descendants.

    Previous generations of immigrants certainly had it hard. To be sure integration & assimilation was neither immediate nor automatic, but any unwillingness or inability to adopt prevailing customs, dress & even names were mocked, shamed & sanctioned… until they dressed like everyone else & gave their sons uncomplicated “normal” American names like “Mike” or “Steve.”

    Alas conformity has been long out of style as “stalepalewhitemale” has also become… Today the majority is shamed into “celebrating” hijabs and any other outrageous & provocative attire while mocked & accused of racism for their “disrespectful” inadequate attempts to pronounce or spell absurd foreign names correctly that are essentially nothing more than a passive-aggressive assertion of superiority, a demand for attention and a middlefingering of establishment culture & society.
    “Ta-Nenisi”…
    Indeed…

    It’s not that the previous generations of immigrants were necessarily “better” than the subsequent ones, it’s that we’ve been working extra hard to train the present generation of newcomers to reject and disrespect the prevailing “American” norms that every generation before them struggled to learn but eventually mastered & conformed with enough effort.

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  95. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Reg Cæsar

    so he then proceeded to ask them very simple questions about Christianity that even somebody with no theological interest but from a Christian community, would know.
     
    Like, what's wrong with this lyric attempt at a gospel song:

    Never been a sinner,
    I never sinned.
    I got a friend in Jesus...


    I don't blame the Jewish guy who wrote and sang the song. I blame all the lazy (or renegade?) Christians around him who didn't catch it before it got released to the public.

    LOL.

    The best response was to Canned Ham: “Norman, what would the rabbi say?”

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  96. TheJester says:

    The real issue is immigrants from low-trust family, clan, and tribal Third World societies stealing their way into high-trust, beyond-kin First World societies.

    It’s easy because the people in the latter are naive that people from the former would actually lie, cheat, and scam to be able to move from mud huts, disease, and perpetual hunger to a place that provides free education, free medical care, free food, free housing, an allowance for each child, and spending money no less. Nirvana!

    “What, me work in Germany?” Or Sweden, Austria, Netherlands, Belgium, France, Great Britain, or the United States … fill in the blank. “Why bother … and, by the way, the rest of my clan are on the way. They rely on me to tell them who to say they are and why they are fleeing and why they need refuge … whatever it takes.”

    What the First World doesn’t realize is that these people are very well schooled in fraud and deception. Their way of life in their Third World shitholes is based on lying, cheating, and scamming the other families, clans, and tribes before they lie, cheat, and scam yours.

    The new immigrants may have IQs of 86 … but they have PhDs in fraud and deception. It’s a way of life they learn from the cradle.

    There is a principle here: Just as bad money drives out good, high-trust, beyond-kin First World societies that accept large-scale immigration from low-trust family, clan, and tribal Third World societies cannot maintain that high trust in the face of immigrants who consider fraud, corruption, and deception as a way of life.

    I spent a decade working in the Middle East as a program manager chasing contracts for Western corporations. I saw the universal fraud, deception, and corruption first hand in their home countries. It proved hopeless to want, expect, or try to succeed on any other terms. The infection is now spreading to the First World.

    An example: $45M Medicare scam stretched from Houston to Nigeria

    http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Medicare-scam-stretched-from-Houston-to-Nigeria-3725436.php

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    Completely agree. I've seen this working in large mandatory insurance companies (public sector) in Canada. Fraud was correlated with country of origin massively.

    The idea that you can import millions of people from tribal, honor-based societies and have them immediately drop their habitual nepotism and corruption is idiocy. All you are going to do is increase the level of tribalism and corruption in your own country.

    Left wingers love the precautionary principle in the context of the environment, but they don't seem to care much for it when immigration is the subject of conversation.
    , @Intelligent Dasein

    There is a principle here: Just as bad money drives out good, high-trust, beyond-kin First World societies that accept large-scale immigration from low-trust family, clan, and tribal Third World societies cannot maintain that high trust in the face of immigrants who consider fraud, corruption, and deception as a way of life.
     
    You're absolutely right, of course, but there are far less garrulous ways of saying this.
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  97. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Chain Migration needs to be called Ball-n-Chain Migration.

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    Nah, that would probably evoke images of the way slaves were brought over.
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  98. @Reg Cæsar

    so he then proceeded to ask them very simple questions about Christianity that even somebody with no theological interest but from a Christian community, would know.
     
    Like, what's wrong with this lyric attempt at a gospel song:

    Never been a sinner,
    I never sinned.
    I got a friend in Jesus...


    I don't blame the Jewish guy who wrote and sang the song. I blame all the lazy (or renegade?) Christians around him who didn't catch it before it got released to the public.

    Where you gonna go when you die?
    Heaven.
    Denied!
    Next.

    Where you gonna go when you die?
    The spirit in the sky?
    Welcome to America!

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  99. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Why do remote federal bureaucrats decide who your neighborhood has to risk welcoming and make an effort to integrate?

    There should be local citizen input. Let a jury of citizens veto the slate of candidates for local residency and allocate the number of spaces that they are confident that they can integrate. The locals have all the costs & risks, they should have a say on who gets the honor of one of the scarce visas. The locals will have a better chance of identifying which candidates are making good faith efforts to integrate and which candidates actually admire and identify with American values to discern them from the moochers who are content to live in their unassimilated parallel societies.

    Sure it'll be subject to the arbitrary whim of those involved, but if it's good enough for us to put faith in for criminal justice & whether to condemn somebody to a lifetime of imprisonment or perhaps even execution, then it should be good enough for this.

    My inspiration for decentralizing evaluation and decision about immigrant visas and giving ordinary citizens more input was inspired by this story:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4106258/Left-wing-vegan-moved-Switzerland-denied-Swiss-passport-annoying.html

    If only ordinary American citizens had the power and the backbone to withdraw our welcome to any annoying foreigners who come not to adapt to American norms & ways but with a desire to tear them down and demand "tolerance" & support to undermine our traditions & replace them with their strange foreign customs & habits.

    Is this the immigrant to Switzerland who complained about the incessant cowbell noise in the Swiss village, so her neighbors denied her citizenship because no true Swissman hates cowbell?

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    Christopher Walken is Swiss? Who knew?

    Seriously, though, the Swiss are right to deny this woman Swiss citizenship. If she doesn't have enough common sense to keep her criticisms of Swiss society and customs to herself, she truly is "annoying." We should emulate the Swiss example. I'd start with that NYU professor of South Asian origins whose fondest fantasy is of Americans trying to emulate to Nigeria or Bangladesh, and being turned away. Steve posted about him weeks ago, but I forgot the name.
    , @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Precisely.

    In addition to the "talents" and qualifications that Trump suggests we seek in any wishing to join our club, we should give local citizens the discretion to reject even qualified candidates who are annoying or otherwise incompatible with our community. Talents & qualifications that are valued by the market aren't the only thing that matter. Some of these geniuses might actually be divisive and outrageous scourges that we'd be better off not to have among us no matter how valuable and well-compensated their professional talents are.

    Other countries might welcome them. Aliyah instead of the American Dream.

    Masha Gessen, an example that comes to mind, might have been better off in a more like-minded place like Canada or Israel.
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  100. Art Deco says:
    @Bill Jones
    " criminal traveller gangs"The word you are trying not to use is Gypsy.

    There, that didn't hurt, now, did it?

    They’re called ‘Travellers’ in the British Isles. If I’m not mistaken, they’re ethnically distinct from Gypsies, though with some similar lifeways.

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    Art Deco:

    Yes, in Ireland they are now called Travellers. They used to be called Tinkers but that had to changed since for some reason it was considered politically incorrect.

    The Travellers/Tinkers certainly genetically differ from Gypsies. When I first went to Ireland I had expected them to be dark-skinned. Instead I found them to be the most fair-skinned Irish.
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  101. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D
    And the thing that follows from this is what? Having Mayflower ancestors makes you more of an American than Buffalo Joe or me? What if it's Mayflower on one side and Palermo 1906 on the other? Do you get 1/2 credit? What if your ancestors were Virginia cavaliers who spend their time ordering around their Irish indentured servants and black slaves - do you get negative points for ancestral hardship? Should American Indians get super credit for having been here for 10,000 years and living completely off the land without even iron tools?

    All through the 19th century, no one gave a damn about American history - Mt. Vernon fell into ruins, Monticello was saved only because Lafayette wrote to his friend Levy. Then once the Ellis Island crowd started showing up, suddenly people were interested in proving that they were "more American" than the newcomers and you get the DAR and all these other "I was here first" organizations.

    All through the 19th century, no one gave a damn about American history – Mt. Vernon fell into ruins, Monticello was saved only because Lafayette wrote to his friend Levy.

    You’re straining quite hard to derive the stated conclusion from the fate of two buildings.

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  102. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous

    To be fair though, at least the Pilgrims didn’t have to work for callous, greedy sweat-shop owners like Max Blanck and Isaac Harris:

    Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire

    A movie for TV was made about it in the 70s.

    The Triangle Factory Fire Scandal

    I remember seeing it. They called out the factory owners, whose neglect for the safety of their workers led to so many deaths. I don’t remember them pointing out who those factory owners were.
     

    You saw a movie about it? Are you serious?

    You saw a movie about it? Are you serious?

    Yes, I am serious when I say that there was a movie made about it, and that I saw it. What is your point? Or is it too much to ask that you have one?

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    My point is that just because a movie said something happened in a certain way, doesn't mean that that's what actually happened.
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  103. @Steve Sailer
    Is this the immigrant to Switzerland who complained about the incessant cowbell noise in the Swiss village, so her neighbors denied her citizenship because no true Swissman hates cowbell?

    Christopher Walken is Swiss? Who knew?

    Seriously, though, the Swiss are right to deny this woman Swiss citizenship. If she doesn’t have enough common sense to keep her criticisms of Swiss society and customs to herself, she truly is “annoying.” We should emulate the Swiss example. I’d start with that NYU professor of South Asian origins whose fondest fantasy is of Americans trying to emulate to Nigeria or Bangladesh, and being turned away. Steve posted about him weeks ago, but I forgot the name.

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    Not so long ago I read some some considerations from the classics of how they treated immigrants in antiquity. I've unfortunately forgotten most everything except for one idea.

    One of the philosophers suggested that newcomers & guests should be treated with hospitality while they are in our midst, but that it took 2 or 3 generations before the newcomer's descendants could possibly master & conform with the new norms of the host country. Only after several generations could the descendants of the newcomers actually be evaluated for their appreciation, mastery and commitment to the host country's culture and tradition. To "join" a culture and a community entitles one the privilege to count on the loyalty of his new countrymen he must clearly leave his past one behind to demonstrate that the loyalty and community bond is reciprocal and undivided.

    In our hasty attempt to naturalize newcomers, we're guaranteeing our the loyalty and support of our national resources to those who've hardly demonstrated their commitment to their new community with appreciation and mastery of shared norms and traditions. Furthermore their "loyalties" to those of their own tribe or faith within our nation and abroad put them at odds with the expectation of equality of citizens that is a prerequisite for democracy. As a result, instead of voting for universal "American" interests they vote for particular ethnic interests and the devolution of our society into a corrupt tribal patronage system is already evident for any not willfully blind to it.

    For all who dream of a complete "stop" to immigration or permitting immigration exclusively from the European cultures from which "Heritage Americans originated, dream on. A very motivated and sizeable enough segment of the population would never allow it. Furthermore the notion of "nondiscrimination" has become something of a universal civic value... indeed where all other shared values and norms have been dissolved by diversity and multiculturalism that inevitably has somebody objecting in genuine or feigned offense, the only thing left we seem to be able to agree on is "nondiscrimination." Until this year the NFL seemed like the the last remaining cultural institution that was a universal touchstone for all ethnic groups, classes and regions. No more. We can't even agree on that.

    So if we may not discriminate for or against any particular nation or group, then the only thing we can do is to make the screening and selection more rigorous and the possibility for rejection and ejection more palpable. Recall the eager outrage from Acosta and all those awful pius partisan reporters of #fakenews to pin Stephen Miller in order to accuse the Administration of having a policy that discriminated on the basis of national origin or race. These activists knew what they were doing; they realize that for now this is THE SACRED COW for almost all Americans from all walks of life. The Administration was very careful to draft a proposal in the RAISE Act that didn't explicitly use racial or national categories but rather skirted these neutral performance based ones that would also keep out many of the same trouble-makers, nuisances and moochers that nationality based restrictions aimed to exclude.

    We also need to be creative to invent completely new ways to evaluate the candidates who wish to join us. We can't expect "disinterested" bureaucrats do anything more than what they already do: just rubberstamp any and all barely fluent or literate that fulfill the basic legal criteria. They only suffer consequences when candidates refused citizenship can play the media into manipulating the public into outrage about a public failure to show mercy to such piteous cases. Then put the onus on the public. Make them open their eyes to how the immigrants really are. Rub it in their nose. Don't let them look away. If citizens still want to welcome them into their community, they're probably worthy. Others will complain that such a system would never have the capacity to process the volume of candidates who wish to come to America. Others might see the limited capacity as a feature rather than a bug. Getting to know anybody who wants to join the club is a big responsibility and deserves appropriate time and patience.

    Crazy but perhaps not so crazy idea?:
    Instead of leaving immigration decisions to professional bureaucrats, put it on a bunch of local reality shows (perhaps something called like "[Your City's] newest neighbors!"), in which invasive crews follow immigrant candidates around so citizens can observe them in ordinary circumstances while candidates demonstrate how they live and appreciate American values as well as contribute to their communities. Later citizens get to pick, when they vote on which ones make the cut and which ones are out. Selecting who gets to be American and shape the nation's posterity is of much more consequence than picking a popstar that'll be forgotten in a season. It could also be more fun.

    All the pious bleedy hearts who say they love all immigrants and welcome any and all, without regard to moochers and trouble-makers who come to take advantage or harm us...
    All the heartless sticklers who want to send them all back without any regard to the actual individual human stories and differences...

    Instead of continuing to rehash our irreconcilable differences, kick the question to citizens and make them decide.
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  104. @eah
    In most heavily immigrant areas of European cities the shabby looking blocks of flats are heavily festooned with satellite dishes so they can watch TV of the countries where they belong they came from -- I'm sure they keep everyone back home well informed.

    OT

    https://twitter.com/JoshPherigo/status/926594025448263686

    This video of the crowd in Houston for the Astros parade returning a dropped hat up what looks like the world’s tallest parking garage is great.

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  105. In a similar vein, after an earthquake in El Salvador they had an emergency “temporary” measure that allowed Salvadorans into the country very freely.

    In the DC area at least, you have never seen so many “Salvadorans” who travelled with Mexican passports…

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  106. @Bill Jones
    " criminal traveller gangs"The word you are trying not to use is Gypsy.

    There, that didn't hurt, now, did it?

    “The word you are trying not to use is Gypsy.”

    Not as simple as that. British gypsies, Romanies, have been around for a long time in the UK and were an accepted part of the landscape, if perhaps less law-abiding than the average Brit (economist Adam Smith is reported has being stolen by gypsies as a baby). They and the settled population had arrived at a kind of modus vivendi over the centuries, and they feature in many children’s books from Victorian times to the 1950s.

    My mother said
    I never should
    Play with the gypsies in the wood
    If I did
    She would say
    “Naughty girl to disobey”

    The Victorian writer George Borrow travelled with them, wrote about them, and also recorded their dislike and fear of the “wild Irish”. I don’t call Irish travellers gypsies because I don’t know if they actually are, but they’re certainly wild.

    The Roma here now, and the gypsies of Spain and southern France, are related to British Romanies but don’t have the hundreds of years of acculturation to settled Brit culture.

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    Gypsies had a fortune teller business in my hometown. They also specialized in undocumented shopping at garage sales. Swarming, misdirection, their training and execution almost seem like football.

    Query: What kind of lowlife tells lies to a child to make stealing easier? What parent raises a kid to aid and abet? No wonder people despise them.

    Traveling tip: when their pack (often the teen mom, with younger sister, and a baby they thrust at you for distraction) approaches you in Paris, Rome or wherever, and ask if you speak English, announce loudly in the local language that "Je parle police" or equivalent. That tends to disperse the crowd. They know the locals, and get wailed on frequently for their many crimes. La polizia know their act.
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  107. Dan Hayes says:
    @res

    Few know this.
     
    Indeed. I am amazed not to have heard about this until now.

    More information about Ireland's 2004 constitutional amendment ending birthright citizenship: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland

    Also interesting was that an article enabling birthright citizenship appeared in an earlier (1998) amendment enabling the Good Friday Agreement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteenth_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland

    The 1998 amendment received a 94% yes vote in the referendum while the 2004 amendment received a 79% yes vote.

    Irish constitutional amendments are determined by a simple majority vote in a referendum after approval by both houses of parliment (the president signs it, but that appears to be a formality, no veto power): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amendments_to_the_Constitution_of_Ireland

    res:

    In Ireland you noted that the 2004 constitutional amendment limiting birthright citizenship received 79% of the vote.

    What would be the vote some 13 years later?

    In view of recent Irish voting patterns I doubt that any such amendment would now be approved. Chalk it up to the current delusional Irish electorate who appear to have gone hog wild for the chimera of diversity, open borders and unlimited immigration.

    And sincere appreciation for your cited references. The UR once again proves to be an information treasure trove.

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  108. Dan Hayes says:
    @Art Deco
    They're called 'Travellers' in the British Isles. If I'm not mistaken, they're ethnically distinct from Gypsies, though with some similar lifeways.

    Art Deco:

    Yes, in Ireland they are now called Travellers. They used to be called Tinkers but that had to changed since for some reason it was considered politically incorrect.

    The Travellers/Tinkers certainly genetically differ from Gypsies. When I first went to Ireland I had expected them to be dark-skinned. Instead I found them to be the most fair-skinned Irish.

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    "They used to be called Tinkers but that had to changed since for some reason it was considered politically incorrect."

    I don't get that either. Being a tinker -- repairing metal objects, such as sharpening knives -- is a real job.

    , @Expletive Deleted
    In Britain they're (sotto voce) called Pikeys, both Irish travellers and the recent onslaught of Continental (thanks EU) gypsies alike, although strictly it applies to the didicoy and Irish types, not proper "respectable" English Gypsy Romanys who are basically alright, with rare and valuable rustic skills.

    Tinkers, when I were a lad, lived in tarpaulin benders with a stovepipe when they were over for the potato-lifting. Then they went away somewhere else, probably Scotland to pick berries (or was that before the spuds? Jeez I'm getting old ..), or back to Eire, for the rest of the year.

    They couldn't fix much of anything, least of all themselves. We gave them tapwater, and bread and other bits, mostly on Sundays to the women who came to the door, when the men had spunked the week's shillings up the wall on Saturday night and the nippers were wailing hungry. Some still spoke some sort of Gailge-sounding cant language, when the occasion demanded. They were fundamentally decent and honorable people (although there were complaints of incessant pilfering from people further away), kept themselves and the camp in the woods as clean as poss. under the circs., self-reliant, in that we would get new toothbrushes and other inexplicably-obtained items (ask no questions ..) popped anonymously through the letter box when they broke camp each year, in acknowledgement for the (new) bread, odd bit of butter, milk, sugar, tea, and mainly the clean water (which was basically "free" in those days, no meters, outside tap(faucet), help yourselves whenever).

    Though one old witch did try to put a voluble and gesturally elaborate curse on me when I wouldn't let her in the house, being home alone after school. Too busy looking for a knife to see where she buggered off to, maybe not one of "ours". Careful, that sort of malarkey can bite you in the bum if you do it for the wrong reasons, hag!
    The Council bulldozed their annual camping spot shortly after (and felled some beautiful straight oaks, maybe 80 foot high, and left them to rot, having deliberately dumped a load of broken glass in the churned-up ground. Then some pylons for the power plant were built through. Worse scum than pikeys, in my book, local councils).

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0209/851399-irish-traveller-genetics/

    Full-on pikeys, on the other hand, are a whole other box of rats.
    Don't get me started ... Grimshaw, release the hounds!

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  109. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Mr. Anon

    You saw a movie about it? Are you serious?
     
    Yes, I am serious when I say that there was a movie made about it, and that I saw it. What is your point? Or is it too much to ask that you have one?

    My point is that just because a movie said something happened in a certain way, doesn’t mean that that’s what actually happened.

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    My point is that just because a movie said something happened in a certain way, doesn’t mean that that’s what actually happened.
     
    I linked to a wikipedia article about the incident, the basic facts of which are not in dispute, I believe. You don't seem to understand my point at all. I mentioned the movie because - as I remember it - it did give a somewhat skewed interperetation of the events. My point was that the Hollywood version left some salient facts out, and that the fact it did was perhaps not accidental.
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  111. @Dan Hayes
    Art Deco:

    Yes, in Ireland they are now called Travellers. They used to be called Tinkers but that had to changed since for some reason it was considered politically incorrect.

    The Travellers/Tinkers certainly genetically differ from Gypsies. When I first went to Ireland I had expected them to be dark-skinned. Instead I found them to be the most fair-skinned Irish.

    “They used to be called Tinkers but that had to changed since for some reason it was considered politically incorrect.”

    I don’t get that either. Being a tinker — repairing metal objects, such as sharpening knives — is a real job.

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    Being a tinker — repairing metal objects, such as sharpening knives — is a real job.
     
    Perhaps they didn't like being accused of holding down a real job.
    , @Moshe
    I can't recommend this enough. Watch the movie traveler from 1997 with Matt Damon.

    I watched it when it was available for free on Netflix during my free month trial.

    It has been memory holed for reasons that will quickly become obvious.

    Honestly, I can't believe they got away with making this movie.

    On a possibly related note, thousands of Irish are about to descend upon Canada with work visas. :)

    , @Jack D
    Tinkers did not sharpen knives, they fixed pots. Itinerant knife sharpener was a different profession. Our modern world is rich in material goods but impoverished when it comes to services - there used to be all kinds of services available on a "we will come to you" basis before people had cars and crap from China was so cheap that it became cheaper to throw things out than to fix them. Not to mention all the different kind of food vendors that used to come to your house - the milk man, the bread man, etc.
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  112. @Steve Sailer
    "They used to be called Tinkers but that had to changed since for some reason it was considered politically incorrect."

    I don't get that either. Being a tinker -- repairing metal objects, such as sharpening knives -- is a real job.

    Being a tinker — repairing metal objects, such as sharpening knives — is a real job.

    Perhaps they didn’t like being accused of holding down a real job.

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    Perhaps they didn’t like being accused of holding down a real job.
     
    They just didn't give a dam.
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  113. They need to rewrite the part in JFK ‘s speech about “Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country” to something along the lines of “Ask what your country can give to you; not what you can do for your country”.

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    Ask not what your own country ought to do for you; ask what the Americans' country can do for your countrymen.
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  114. @Steve Sailer
    Is this the immigrant to Switzerland who complained about the incessant cowbell noise in the Swiss village, so her neighbors denied her citizenship because no true Swissman hates cowbell?

    Precisely.

    In addition to the “talents” and qualifications that Trump suggests we seek in any wishing to join our club, we should give local citizens the discretion to reject even qualified candidates who are annoying or otherwise incompatible with our community. Talents & qualifications that are valued by the market aren’t the only thing that matter. Some of these geniuses might actually be divisive and outrageous scourges that we’d be better off not to have among us no matter how valuable and well-compensated their professional talents are.

    Other countries might welcome them. Aliyah instead of the American Dream.

    Masha Gessen, an example that comes to mind, might have been better off in a more like-minded place like Canada or Israel.

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  115. @Perspective
    They need to rewrite the part in JFK 's speech about "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country" to something along the lines of "Ask what your country can give to you; not what you can do for your country".

    Ask not what your own country ought to do for you; ask what the Americans’ country can do for your countrymen.

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  116. Moshe says:
    @Steve Sailer
    "They used to be called Tinkers but that had to changed since for some reason it was considered politically incorrect."

    I don't get that either. Being a tinker -- repairing metal objects, such as sharpening knives -- is a real job.

    I can’t recommend this enough. Watch the movie traveler from 1997 with Matt Damon.

    I watched it when it was available for free on Netflix during my free month trial.

    It has been memory holed for reasons that will quickly become obvious.

    Honestly, I can’t believe they got away with making this movie.

    On a possibly related note, thousands of Irish are about to descend upon Canada with work visas. :)

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  117. Arclight says:
    @candid_observer
    I'd add the further point that Sullivan, and others who might wish the Democrats could put together a "populist" response, on a basic level just don't get it.

    The problem is that the left, and the media, and the Democrats have painted themselves into a corner with identity politics and the Coalition of the Fringes. What they have really done with identity politics, and its subsidiaries of pro-immigration and anti-racism, is create sacred objects. The problem with sacred objects is that they can never be contested or minimized or ignored, especially by those who profess the faith -- as they all do. Pragmatic considerations of electability mean nothing compared to the need to bow the knee to the sacralized. The viciousness with which the left attacked Northam when he flip-flopped on sanctuary cities demonstrates the depth of the problem.

    National Democrats will never more be allowed to deviate from this orthodoxy, so long as the orthodoxy reigns in their circles of the elite. And there's nothing effectively pushing back in those circles against that orthodoxy -- indeed, it seems only to take firmer hold as Trumpism advances, and the elite becomes more convinced of its moral superiority.

    True – modern progressivism is essentially a religious cult, and its idols cannot be questioned or insulted. Heretics will be cash out and punished, if possible.

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  118. @Gary in Gramercy
    Christopher Walken is Swiss? Who knew?

    Seriously, though, the Swiss are right to deny this woman Swiss citizenship. If she doesn't have enough common sense to keep her criticisms of Swiss society and customs to herself, she truly is "annoying." We should emulate the Swiss example. I'd start with that NYU professor of South Asian origins whose fondest fantasy is of Americans trying to emulate to Nigeria or Bangladesh, and being turned away. Steve posted about him weeks ago, but I forgot the name.

    Not so long ago I read some some considerations from the classics of how they treated immigrants in antiquity. I’ve unfortunately forgotten most everything except for one idea.

    One of the philosophers suggested that newcomers & guests should be treated with hospitality while they are in our midst, but that it took 2 or 3 generations before the newcomer’s descendants could possibly master & conform with the new norms of the host country. Only after several generations could the descendants of the newcomers actually be evaluated for their appreciation, mastery and commitment to the host country’s culture and tradition. To “join” a culture and a community entitles one the privilege to count on the loyalty of his new countrymen he must clearly leave his past one behind to demonstrate that the loyalty and community bond is reciprocal and undivided.

    In our hasty attempt to naturalize newcomers, we’re guaranteeing our the loyalty and support of our national resources to those who’ve hardly demonstrated their commitment to their new community with appreciation and mastery of shared norms and traditions. Furthermore their “loyalties” to those of their own tribe or faith within our nation and abroad put them at odds with the expectation of equality of citizens that is a prerequisite for democracy. As a result, instead of voting for universal “American” interests they vote for particular ethnic interests and the devolution of our society into a corrupt tribal patronage system is already evident for any not willfully blind to it.

    For all who dream of a complete “stop” to immigration or permitting immigration exclusively from the European cultures from which “Heritage Americans originated, dream on. A very motivated and sizeable enough segment of the population would never allow it. Furthermore the notion of “nondiscrimination” has become something of a universal civic value… indeed where all other shared values and norms have been dissolved by diversity and multiculturalism that inevitably has somebody objecting in genuine or feigned offense, the only thing left we seem to be able to agree on is “nondiscrimination.” Until this year the NFL seemed like the the last remaining cultural institution that was a universal touchstone for all ethnic groups, classes and regions. No more. We can’t even agree on that.

    So if we may not discriminate for or against any particular nation or group, then the only thing we can do is to make the screening and selection more rigorous and the possibility for rejection and ejection more palpable. Recall the eager outrage from Acosta and all those awful pius partisan reporters of #fakenews to pin Stephen Miller in order to accuse the Administration of having a policy that discriminated on the basis of national origin or race. These activists knew what they were doing; they realize that for now this is THE SACRED COW for almost all Americans from all walks of life. The Administration was very careful to draft a proposal in the RAISE Act that didn’t explicitly use racial or national categories but rather skirted these neutral performance based ones that would also keep out many of the same trouble-makers, nuisances and moochers that nationality based restrictions aimed to exclude.

    We also need to be creative to invent completely new ways to evaluate the candidates who wish to join us. We can’t expect “disinterested” bureaucrats do anything more than what they already do: just rubberstamp any and all barely fluent or literate that fulfill the basic legal criteria. They only suffer consequences when candidates refused citizenship can play the media into manipulating the public into outrage about a public failure to show mercy to such piteous cases. Then put the onus on the public. Make them open their eyes to how the immigrants really are. Rub it in their nose. Don’t let them look away. If citizens still want to welcome them into their community, they’re probably worthy. Others will complain that such a system would never have the capacity to process the volume of candidates who wish to come to America. Others might see the limited capacity as a feature rather than a bug. Getting to know anybody who wants to join the club is a big responsibility and deserves appropriate time and patience.

    Crazy but perhaps not so crazy idea?:
    Instead of leaving immigration decisions to professional bureaucrats, put it on a bunch of local reality shows (perhaps something called like “[Your City's] newest neighbors!”), in which invasive crews follow immigrant candidates around so citizens can observe them in ordinary circumstances while candidates demonstrate how they live and appreciate American values as well as contribute to their communities. Later citizens get to pick, when they vote on which ones make the cut and which ones are out. Selecting who gets to be American and shape the nation’s posterity is of much more consequence than picking a popstar that’ll be forgotten in a season. It could also be more fun.

    All the pious bleedy hearts who say they love all immigrants and welcome any and all, without regard to moochers and trouble-makers who come to take advantage or harm us…
    All the heartless sticklers who want to send them all back without any regard to the actual individual human stories and differences…

    Instead of continuing to rehash our irreconcilable differences, kick the question to citizens and make them decide.

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  119. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer
    "They used to be called Tinkers but that had to changed since for some reason it was considered politically incorrect."

    I don't get that either. Being a tinker -- repairing metal objects, such as sharpening knives -- is a real job.

    Tinkers did not sharpen knives, they fixed pots. Itinerant knife sharpener was a different profession. Our modern world is rich in material goods but impoverished when it comes to services – there used to be all kinds of services available on a “we will come to you” basis before people had cars and crap from China was so cheap that it became cheaper to throw things out than to fix them. Not to mention all the different kind of food vendors that used to come to your house – the milk man, the bread man, etc.

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  120. Ivy says:
    @Anonymous
    Up until 2015 I worked as a background investigator doing backgrounds for the USG. A lot of that work involved USCIS and immigrants.

    Forget internet and smartphones. There are so many do-gooder groups assisting people from the third world it’s mind boggling. It seems like large numbers of law school students work pro bono for these charitable organizations, from assisting immigrants in getting into the U.S. to doing all the work to get them free housing and welfare after they’ve arrived.

    Now, here’s the thing. All of this stuff is done for them. I know of a law professor who spends months out of the year working in Guatemala and other Central American countries in assisting people in moving to the U.S. and getting them assistance when they arrive. A lot of her work involves assisting family members down there with a family member in the U.S. I.e., chain migration.

    Then on the U.S. side, USCIS (formerly INS) has become like the DMV. Legal immigration has become like this. Fill this form out and go to the next line. And USCIS it has pretty much the same employee demographics as your city DMV, though with the USCIS officers and adjudicators a large percentage of them originally came from the third world before being naturalized U.S. citizens. I kid you not. I did their backgrounds and know this info.

    I encourage any American to go to a USCIS office and just sit there and watch. And maybe listen to Ann Coulter’s “Adios, America” in Audible on your phone while you observe.

    Sedition has become a contact sport, with no referees. The absence of any sense of patriotism or civic duty, or even awareness thereof, is the mark of fundamental corruption.

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  121. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “I do have more natural rights to the US than you do because my ancestors stretch all the way back to the next boat after the Mayflower.”

    US Citizenship and being an American are now close to becoming two different things, which is probably not good for future domestic tranquility.

    Chances are high that the longer you live in a country the more connected you are to the people of that country. Just the math of family trees.

    No matter what happens to American the nation and US citizenship, the American people will continue to exist as a distinct people for a long, long time. I don’t know who said it first, maybe Solzheniztyn, but I recall something from the deepest days of the Cold War that has stuck with me — “No matter what the fate of the Soviet Union, the Russian people will endure.” And, though nobody would have believed it, the Soviet Union is gone and the Russian people endured.

    “No matter what the fate of the US, the American people will endure.”

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  122. Ivy says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    "The word you are trying not to use is Gypsy."

    Not as simple as that. British gypsies, Romanies, have been around for a long time in the UK and were an accepted part of the landscape, if perhaps less law-abiding than the average Brit (economist Adam Smith is reported has being stolen by gypsies as a baby). They and the settled population had arrived at a kind of modus vivendi over the centuries, and they feature in many children's books from Victorian times to the 1950s.


    My mother said
    I never should
    Play with the gypsies in the wood
    If I did
    She would say
    "Naughty girl to disobey"

     

    The Victorian writer George Borrow travelled with them, wrote about them, and also recorded their dislike and fear of the "wild Irish". I don't call Irish travellers gypsies because I don't know if they actually are, but they're certainly wild.

    The Roma here now, and the gypsies of Spain and southern France, are related to British Romanies but don't have the hundreds of years of acculturation to settled Brit culture.

    Gypsies had a fortune teller business in my hometown. They also specialized in undocumented shopping at garage sales. Swarming, misdirection, their training and execution almost seem like football.

    Query: What kind of lowlife tells lies to a child to make stealing easier? What parent raises a kid to aid and abet? No wonder people despise them.

    Traveling tip: when their pack (often the teen mom, with younger sister, and a baby they thrust at you for distraction) approaches you in Paris, Rome or wherever, and ask if you speak English, announce loudly in the local language that “Je parle police” or equivalent. That tends to disperse the crowd. They know the locals, and get wailed on frequently for their many crimes. La polizia know their act.

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  123. Ivy says:
    @Desiderius

    Being a tinker — repairing metal objects, such as sharpening knives — is a real job.
     
    Perhaps they didn't like being accused of holding down a real job.

    Perhaps they didn’t like being accused of holding down a real job.

    They just didn’t give a dam.

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    They just didn’t give a dam.
     
    Bravo. Very nice. How often does that opportunity come along?
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  124. @AndrewR
    Except it was never legitimate to argue that America "really belonged to the Natives." The "Native Americans" have never been a monolithic group. They were fighting and conquering each other way before Chris Columbus was even a twinkle in his daddy's eye. And going farther back, there were multiple waves of migrants crossing the Bering land bridge. It's all but certain that no one in 1500, let alone today, was descended entirely from the first people to cross over from Siberia.

    Exactly. There was no unified group of “Native Americans” who shared a collective sense of living “in America.” They were disparate tribes fighting innumerable wars. Whites were just one more tribe added to that mix, and who did nothing to any of them they weren’t already doing to themselves. It’s just that whites proved to be the most successful tribe.

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    Whites were not "one tribe" either. The French fought the British and then the Americans fought the British, allying with various American Indian tribes when they could. In fact, the writers of the Declaration of Independence cited the alleged use of "Indian Savages" against the colonists.

    "He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions."

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  125. Ganderson says:
    @huajj-e
    That migrants try to game the system is to be expected. However, they couldn't have gamed the system unless politicians, civil servants, activists and lobbyists had made it game-able. As bad as many of Europes and Americas migrants are, they didn't let themselves in.

    The commenter mentioned Zlatan, he isn't actually a refugee, asylum applicant or even a migrant. His parents immigrated separately to Sweden from Yugoslavia and met in Sweden. The asylum diasporas, from Somalia to Lebanon to Iran, still like to claim him as their own though, and for the lügenpresse he is an avatar of everything that's good about the last few decades of invasion. But the fact is we could have closed our borders 30 years ago and he would still have been born here.

    As for his violent relatives, it must be said that as bad as yugos are they are not nearly as bad as the middle-easterners and africans. Welfare fraud? Sure. Organized crime? You betcha. Drug- and gunrunning? In spades. Violent sadistic gangrapes of white women? Rotherham-style human trafficking? Writing I-hate-white-people-articles? Terrorism(excluding some bosniaks)? Nope. And as cucky as this sounds, the second and third generation, outside of the ones who join the criminal subculture, are actually pretty well integrated. In another few generations and assuming large scale migrations from the balkans doesn't occur, they will be largely assimilated. We can live with the yugos in the long run. But we can't live with the wretched of the earth.

    Man kan ta en kille från Rosengård men man kan inte ta Rosengård från en kille.

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  126. @Jack D
    And the thing that follows from this is what? Having Mayflower ancestors makes you more of an American than Buffalo Joe or me? What if it's Mayflower on one side and Palermo 1906 on the other? Do you get 1/2 credit? What if your ancestors were Virginia cavaliers who spend their time ordering around their Irish indentured servants and black slaves - do you get negative points for ancestral hardship? Should American Indians get super credit for having been here for 10,000 years and living completely off the land without even iron tools?

    All through the 19th century, no one gave a damn about American history - Mt. Vernon fell into ruins, Monticello was saved only because Lafayette wrote to his friend Levy. Then once the Ellis Island crowd started showing up, suddenly people were interested in proving that they were "more American" than the newcomers and you get the DAR and all these other "I was here first" organizations.

    You’re so right Jack. If only WASPs could be like Jews and show the same total disregard for their group’s historical experiences.

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  127. @Anon
    I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers …

    Well, Jews have been here for awhile. Muslims and Palestinians came later. Can we favor their interests then?

    Btw, there is a certain historical logic to Stephens argument.

    After all, whites thought American Land belonged more to them than to Indians.
    But then, there was no America before whites came. Only wilderness and savagery.
    So, America as a civilization(extension of Europe) began with whites.

    At any rate, if the arrival of whites meant marginalization of Indians, why won't the arrival of many non-whites lead to the marginalization of whites? And it's worse. At least whites built something that hadn't existed before. They took the land from Indians but what they built on the land was wholly new.
    In contrast, the non-whites are not adding anything. They come to take.

    Of course, Stephens really means America should belong to Jews than to white gentiles. And for Jews to have higher claim, the Immigration Theme must take topmost slot. It's narrative re-contracting.
    And since there aren't enough Jews to demographically challenge whites, OTHERS must be used to do this. It's a chess game with entire demographics. People Chess.

    Whites must ask themselves. Exist or Exit in relation to American Power.

    PS. Following Stephens' logic, Asians deserve Hawaii more than the natives.
    And newly arrived Muslims have more claim to US than blacks with slave ancestry.

    PSS. The new 'progressive' slogan. America belongs more to newly arrived Arab and Muslim immigrants than to long-established Jewish Community that is no longer immigrant. Indeed, it is time for Jews to stop pretending they are 'immigrants'. Ellis Island stuff was long ago now. Jews are now established and entrenched. Jews-as-immigrants is just a label.

    So, America as a civilization(extension of Europe) began with whites.

    That’s what really matters. Whites founded “America” – whites and no one else.

    Founders, keepers!

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    If you wanna keep it, you gotta turn off Mega-Maid.

    Use the Schwarz... against the Schwarz.

    SPACEBALLS is a really nutty movie.

    Remember how HISTORY OF THE WORLD ended with Jews in Space?

    In SPACEBALLS, we have Jews in Space as Space Nazis(!!!) trying to colonize a goy planet.
    And to prevail over the Dark power of the Schwarz, the white knight needs to obtain his own Schwarz.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUnSGz8vW0U

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPkWZdluoUg

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  128. @oddsbodkins
    "I’m not a big fan of “I was here first” status seeking, but IMHO it is far better than the BS (like the Stephens quote above) we are seeing now."

    "I was here first" is terrible because it undermines the Citizenism needed to oppose ideas like Stephens'. The US should be a club of equal members, admission tightly controlled.

    The US should be a club of equal members, admission tightly controlled.

    What real difference is “tightly controlled” going to make in the long-run? It’s just a “die slower” model, imo.

    What is really required is “admission totally barred” or “admission racially restricted.”

    But that seems too much even for self-declared immigration restrictionists to contemplate.

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  129. @AaronNyc
    Maybe I'm missing something but don't these immigration authorities have Arabic speakers on staff to actually tell who is Syrian and who isn't? Doesn't seem like it would be very hard to find out..

    You’re assuming the authorities are actually trying to keep the wrong people out. That’s what you’d think people in charge of border controls would be doing, anyway.

    Apparently, though, many of them see their job as getting as many “refugees” through the door as possible. There’s no such things as “the wrong people” in their book.

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  130. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @TomSchmidt
    "It’s time to start holding these bureaucrats accountable."

    How would you do so?

    There IS no way to hold bureaucrats responsible. The Post Office proves that.

    Just tell your allegedly conservative rep or senator that you want the Postal Express statutes repealed (which isolated the Post Office from competition) and watch the reaction.

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  131. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous
    My point is that just because a movie said something happened in a certain way, doesn't mean that that's what actually happened.

    My point is that just because a movie said something happened in a certain way, doesn’t mean that that’s what actually happened.

    I linked to a wikipedia article about the incident, the basic facts of which are not in dispute, I believe. You don’t seem to understand my point at all. I mentioned the movie because – as I remember it – it did give a somewhat skewed interperetation of the events. My point was that the Hollywood version left some salient facts out, and that the fact it did was perhaps not accidental.

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    Thanks for the clarification.
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  132. Mr. Anon says:
    @Ivy

    Perhaps they didn’t like being accused of holding down a real job.
     
    They just didn't give a dam.

    They just didn’t give a dam.

    Bravo. Very nice. How often does that opportunity come along?

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  133. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @unpc downunder
    Free trade is one of main driving forces behind third world immigration. Thanks to free trade agreements like NAFTA, Mexican peasants have been forced off the land by foreign imports and now come to the US to work on American farms. Manufacturing in Latin America has also been heavily hit by foreign imports.

    Latin American manufacturing is unbelievably crappy and cost ineffective in many cases. I knew a guy who was into old Chevys who was sent down to Argentina by his employer. Argentina is awash in old Chevys, only they are Argentine built old Chevys made with worn out Detroit tooling, because they have no toolmakers or die sinkers worth talking about. At any rate, he found a factory that made rubber parts like weatherstripping and window gaskets for Chevys of what in the US were the muscle car era, where there is a big restoration market. The problem was that the Argies used a cheap rubber without the anti-oxidizing ingredients rubber in the US needs to hold up. So he tried to get them to make a run for him with a changed rubber compound. It turned into a total clusterfuck, and every one of the Argie car buffs he talked to (who made an art of smuggling US made parts technically banned to upgrade their Argentine Chevies) told him that is exactly what they expected. Basically, all Argentine manufacture is done by incompetents who have a job through government fiat (no pun intended).

    If foreign cars weren’t supertariffed or banned entirely Argentine car manufacture would vanish and everyone would buy Kias.

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  134. Svigor says:

    Interesting comment by Bret Stephens.

    As long as I’ve lived, I’ve often heard the phrase that ‘America “rightfully” belongs to the Native Americans, (that is Amerindians)’.
    Generally speaking, white Americans usually humbly and quietly acceded to that line, as in the strictest ‘moral’ terms of the ‘law of primogeniture’ , (as opposed to ‘right of conquest’ , which is essentially the institutionalization of violence), it is very hard to refute.

    Now – as ‘coincidentally’ the vast vast majority of immigrants into the USA are not white, certain quartets feel free to mouth loudly what was once the ultimate blasphemy in ‘polite’ circles.

    Of course, Whites can make that claim with a straight face, but Indians can’t. Their ancestors, the ones who got whupped, lived by the right of conquest. According to their laws, the land belongs to Whites. They could make a case that it doesn’t belong to non-White (non-Amerinds), though.

    And the thing that follows from this is what? Having Mayflower ancestors makes you more of an American than Buffalo Joe or me?

    It means I’m gonna tell Jews something like this, every time they play their schmaltzy Judeocentric bullshit rote:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/immigration-and-the-internet/#comment-2064525

    Then once the Ellis Island crowd started showing up, suddenly people were interested in proving that they were “more American” than the newcomers and you get the DAR and all these other “I was here first” organizations.

    Turns out they really were more American. Just look at politics.

    That’s great that you have the magic X-ray glasses that allow you to see contempt that is not there. I have the utmost respect for America, but for an America where all citizens are equal whether their ancestors came over on the Mayflower or in steerage from Hamburg or Genoa. We only have 1 class of citizenship.

    Rightist Jews usually start in with the leftist cant when the subject turns from Blacks to, say, Jews. I.e., the quoted non-sequitur/subject-change (we’re talking history, suddenly it’s about law).

    I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers …

    Well, Jews have been here for awhile. Muslims and Palestinians came later. Can we favor their interests then?

    Excellent point! America belongs first to the Palestinians, over the Jews, according to Jewish culture.

    “I’m not a big fan of “I was here first” status seeking, but IMHO it is far better than the BS (like the Stephens quote above) we are seeing now.”

    The only time I bring it up is when Jews roll out Jewish BS, leftists roll out their shabbily argued Amerindian BS, etc. But I do enjoy rubbing their faces in it, at that point.

    The Indians who helped the colonists were traitors to fellow denizens of the continent…. and so on through every iteration, from French to German to Irish to Jewish to Vietnamese…

    Race-traitors, yes. This is the unspoken subtext of every “they were here first” argument: red man race trumped culture, language, history, etc.; the red man should have been racially nationalist and rallied around race to fight the white race’s invasion (meanwhile, Europeans were fighting Europeans for the continent, with red men often jumping in on one or both sides, but never mind that). It’s an interesting position for “leftists” to hold.

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  135. @Anon
    Chain Migration needs to be called Ball-n-Chain Migration.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DN0pHXyVQAIcrDa.jpg

    Nah, that would probably evoke images of the way slaves were brought over.

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  136. Svigor says:

    I have the utmost respect for America, but for an America where all citizens are equal whether their ancestors came over on the Mayflower or in steerage from Hamburg or Genoa. We only have 1 class of citizenship.

    This and your “what about the planters?” thing have me wondering if you think America was somehow less deserving of your respect when, say, blacks weren’t citizens, but slaves. With few rights. And that Southerners were somehow less American, or something. They were and are more American than you, your ancestors, and America was every bit America when slavery was legal.

    I see similarities between your Jewish bullshit, and the wider culture’s Ellis Island Jewish bullshit, though I’d be happy to be disabused.

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  137. Svigor says:

    “Because we live here.” ~ Patrick Swayze, Red Dawn

    Old stock Americans have this to a far greater extent than Jews do. Jews have that feeling in Israel, though; which is a big part of why they can’t have it for America like old stock Americans do. We’ve got nowhere else to go. Jews can’t say that.

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  138. @Jack D
    And the thing that follows from this is what? Having Mayflower ancestors makes you more of an American than Buffalo Joe or me? What if it's Mayflower on one side and Palermo 1906 on the other? Do you get 1/2 credit? What if your ancestors were Virginia cavaliers who spend their time ordering around their Irish indentured servants and black slaves - do you get negative points for ancestral hardship? Should American Indians get super credit for having been here for 10,000 years and living completely off the land without even iron tools?

    All through the 19th century, no one gave a damn about American history - Mt. Vernon fell into ruins, Monticello was saved only because Lafayette wrote to his friend Levy. Then once the Ellis Island crowd started showing up, suddenly people were interested in proving that they were "more American" than the newcomers and you get the DAR and all these other "I was here first" organizations.

    Then once the Ellis Island crowd started showing up, suddenly people were interested in proving that they were “more American” than the newcomers and you get the DAR and all these other “I was here first” organizations.

    That’s as dumb as the belief that the Statue of Liberty was meant to celebrate immigration. The DAR followed close on the heels of the SAR, which was founded in the centennial of Washington’s first inauguration. It was also an important part of the “reconciliation” movement coming a generation or so after the Civil War. As far as immigrants were concerned, the ladies sought to instruct them in American mores and norms.

    This is what normal people in normal countries do (assuming they have any immigrants at all). That you have a problem with this tells us quite a bit about you, not them.

    All this bogus mythology from and about two islands which don’t even know which state they’re in!

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  139. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @silviosilver

    So, America as a civilization(extension of Europe) began with whites.
     
    That's what really matters. Whites founded "America" - whites and no one else.

    Founders, keepers!

    If you wanna keep it, you gotta turn off Mega-Maid.

    Use the Schwarz… against the Schwarz.

    SPACEBALLS is a really nutty movie.

    Remember how HISTORY OF THE WORLD ended with Jews in Space?

    In SPACEBALLS, we have Jews in Space as Space Nazis(!!!) trying to colonize a goy planet.
    And to prevail over the Dark power of the Schwarz, the white knight needs to obtain his own Schwarz.

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  140. Svigor says:

    “I have the utmost respect for America; my vision of it.” This is the leftist-Jewish narrative to a tee. Yours probably differs in the details, but both start from the same place, and share the lack of visceral, “because we live here” nationalism. For us it’s about Americans, blood, soil; for you it’s only insofar as America lives up to your ideals – position undermined by Jews’ blood and soil Zionism, of course.

    I gotta hand it to Jews, they always have it all figured out. Figured out wrong, but all figured out.

    I have respect for Israel, but only insofar as it lives up to the Jewish diaspora’s ideals of open borders, diversity, equality, tolerance, human rights, etc. So, not so much.

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  141. It is estimated that 20% of all Americans can trace their ancestry back to the Mayflower, whether they realize or not.

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  142. AndrewR says:
    @silviosilver
    Exactly. There was no unified group of "Native Americans" who shared a collective sense of living "in America." They were disparate tribes fighting innumerable wars. Whites were just one more tribe added to that mix, and who did nothing to any of them they weren't already doing to themselves. It's just that whites proved to be the most successful tribe.

    Whites were not “one tribe” either. The French fought the British and then the Americans fought the British, allying with various American Indian tribes when they could. In fact, the writers of the Declaration of Independence cited the alleged use of “Indian Savages” against the colonists.

    “He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.”

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  143. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Fredrik
    Untrue,

    there are so many blatant lies about the EU in Britain it's not even funny. Not sure why you don't stick with the truths. They're bad enough.

    The EU only asked Britain to review the rule. Nothing else...

    Sorry, but in the ‘EU context’, we all know what being ‘asked’ to ‘review the rule’ *really* means.

    The answer is, of course, the prelude to a prosecution by the ‘European Court of Justice’.

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  144. @TheJester
    The real issue is immigrants from low-trust family, clan, and tribal Third World societies stealing their way into high-trust, beyond-kin First World societies.

    It's easy because the people in the latter are naive that people from the former would actually lie, cheat, and scam to be able to move from mud huts, disease, and perpetual hunger to a place that provides free education, free medical care, free food, free housing, an allowance for each child, and spending money no less. Nirvana!

    "What, me work in Germany?" Or Sweden, Austria, Netherlands, Belgium, France, Great Britain, or the United States ... fill in the blank. "Why bother ... and, by the way, the rest of my clan are on the way. They rely on me to tell them who to say they are and why they are fleeing and why they need refuge ... whatever it takes."

    What the First World doesn't realize is that these people are very well schooled in fraud and deception. Their way of life in their Third World shitholes is based on lying, cheating, and scamming the other families, clans, and tribes before they lie, cheat, and scam yours.

    The new immigrants may have IQs of 86 ... but they have PhDs in fraud and deception. It's a way of life they learn from the cradle.

    There is a principle here: Just as bad money drives out good, high-trust, beyond-kin First World societies that accept large-scale immigration from low-trust family, clan, and tribal Third World societies cannot maintain that high trust in the face of immigrants who consider fraud, corruption, and deception as a way of life.

    I spent a decade working in the Middle East as a program manager chasing contracts for Western corporations. I saw the universal fraud, deception, and corruption first hand in their home countries. It proved hopeless to want, expect, or try to succeed on any other terms. The infection is now spreading to the First World.

    An example: $45M Medicare scam stretched from Houston to Nigeria

    http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Medicare-scam-stretched-from-Houston-to-Nigeria-3725436.php

    Completely agree. I’ve seen this working in large mandatory insurance companies (public sector) in Canada. Fraud was correlated with country of origin massively.

    The idea that you can import millions of people from tribal, honor-based societies and have them immediately drop their habitual nepotism and corruption is idiocy. All you are going to do is increase the level of tribalism and corruption in your own country.

    Left wingers love the precautionary principle in the context of the environment, but they don’t seem to care much for it when immigration is the subject of conversation.

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  145. @Rohirrimborn
    Talk about telling people apart. I'm the grandson of Irish immigrants on both sides of the family tree. Dad's side are northern Presbyterians and mom's are southern Catholics. I visited my northern cousins in Ireland in 1974. I remember they were able to distinguish Protestants from Catholics merely by sight. Whatever clues they picked up on were totally lost on me not having grown up in that environment.

    4oo years plus of forced endogamy.
    They just look and sound different, en masse. You’d be struggling to pick them out of the crowd of identical British Isles boiled lobsters in the bars of Costa del Sol, for instance. Apart from the even more tumultuous brawling noise.

    First tack is to home in on the accent. Or check for obvious signs like football colours, any sign of leaf-green in the clothing (for left-footers), orange or royal-blue for the others. Prods, being (more than) partly Northern British, are much blonder and craggier in general. Tattoos are a dead giveaway eg. a six-inch high King Billy on a charger on the forearm, or a full Calvary scene across the chest for Tims. Sometimes not just the men! Fenians favour expensive folky woolly sweaters, and often beards, hardcore bluenose thugs like their sovvy rings, and so on.

    After that, they have different eyebrow shapes, mouth and jaw details, and basic coloration of eyes and hair.

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  146. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    A fifth column is more perilous than any external enemy.

    I'm also always reminded of the Aztecs' rival tribes who gave aid & comfort to the Cortes and Conquistadors because they envied their power and wanted to overthrow the empire that ruled over them.

    The New World's trojan horse strategy just keeps repeating itself.

    The New World’s trojan horse strategy just keeps repeating itself.

    Yet another thing you people owe to Britain. It’s known as “the Vortigern gambit” over here. Original and best.
    What possible risk to the relict but still potent ‘Continuity Empire of Rome in Britannia’ could there be in contracting three or so boatloads of expendable heathen German savages to fend off the even viler Pictish pagans?

    That worked out just dandy, didn’t it?

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  147. @Dan Hayes
    Art Deco:

    Yes, in Ireland they are now called Travellers. They used to be called Tinkers but that had to changed since for some reason it was considered politically incorrect.

    The Travellers/Tinkers certainly genetically differ from Gypsies. When I first went to Ireland I had expected them to be dark-skinned. Instead I found them to be the most fair-skinned Irish.

    In Britain they’re (sotto voce) called Pikeys, both Irish travellers and the recent onslaught of Continental (thanks EU) gypsies alike, although strictly it applies to the didicoy and Irish types, not proper “respectable” English Gypsy Romanys who are basically alright, with rare and valuable rustic skills.

    Tinkers, when I were a lad, lived in tarpaulin benders with a stovepipe when they were over for the potato-lifting. Then they went away somewhere else, probably Scotland to pick berries (or was that before the spuds? Jeez I’m getting old ..), or back to Eire, for the rest of the year.

    They couldn’t fix much of anything, least of all themselves. We gave them tapwater, and bread and other bits, mostly on Sundays to the women who came to the door, when the men had spunked the week’s shillings up the wall on Saturday night and the nippers were wailing hungry. Some still spoke some sort of Gailge-sounding cant language, when the occasion demanded. They were fundamentally decent and honorable people (although there were complaints of incessant pilfering from people further away), kept themselves and the camp in the woods as clean as poss. under the circs., self-reliant, in that we would get new toothbrushes and other inexplicably-obtained items (ask no questions ..) popped anonymously through the letter box when they broke camp each year, in acknowledgement for the (new) bread, odd bit of butter, milk, sugar, tea, and mainly the clean water (which was basically “free” in those days, no meters, outside tap(faucet), help yourselves whenever).

    Though one old witch did try to put a voluble and gesturally elaborate curse on me when I wouldn’t let her in the house, being home alone after school. Too busy looking for a knife to see where she buggered off to, maybe not one of “ours”. Careful, that sort of malarkey can bite you in the bum if you do it for the wrong reasons, hag!
    The Council bulldozed their annual camping spot shortly after (and felled some beautiful straight oaks, maybe 80 foot high, and left them to rot, having deliberately dumped a load of broken glass in the churned-up ground. Then some pylons for the power plant were built through. Worse scum than pikeys, in my book, local councils).

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0209/851399-irish-traveller-genetics/

    Full-on pikeys, on the other hand, are a whole other box of rats.
    Don’t get me started … Grimshaw, release the hounds!

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  148. @TheJester
    The real issue is immigrants from low-trust family, clan, and tribal Third World societies stealing their way into high-trust, beyond-kin First World societies.

    It's easy because the people in the latter are naive that people from the former would actually lie, cheat, and scam to be able to move from mud huts, disease, and perpetual hunger to a place that provides free education, free medical care, free food, free housing, an allowance for each child, and spending money no less. Nirvana!

    "What, me work in Germany?" Or Sweden, Austria, Netherlands, Belgium, France, Great Britain, or the United States ... fill in the blank. "Why bother ... and, by the way, the rest of my clan are on the way. They rely on me to tell them who to say they are and why they are fleeing and why they need refuge ... whatever it takes."

    What the First World doesn't realize is that these people are very well schooled in fraud and deception. Their way of life in their Third World shitholes is based on lying, cheating, and scamming the other families, clans, and tribes before they lie, cheat, and scam yours.

    The new immigrants may have IQs of 86 ... but they have PhDs in fraud and deception. It's a way of life they learn from the cradle.

    There is a principle here: Just as bad money drives out good, high-trust, beyond-kin First World societies that accept large-scale immigration from low-trust family, clan, and tribal Third World societies cannot maintain that high trust in the face of immigrants who consider fraud, corruption, and deception as a way of life.

    I spent a decade working in the Middle East as a program manager chasing contracts for Western corporations. I saw the universal fraud, deception, and corruption first hand in their home countries. It proved hopeless to want, expect, or try to succeed on any other terms. The infection is now spreading to the First World.

    An example: $45M Medicare scam stretched from Houston to Nigeria

    http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Medicare-scam-stretched-from-Houston-to-Nigeria-3725436.php

    There is a principle here: Just as bad money drives out good, high-trust, beyond-kin First World societies that accept large-scale immigration from low-trust family, clan, and tribal Third World societies cannot maintain that high trust in the face of immigrants who consider fraud, corruption, and deception as a way of life.

    You’re absolutely right, of course, but there are far less garrulous ways of saying this.

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  149. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    If immigration is so great, make it a two-way street.
    Prog whites should immigrate to Africa & invest there.
    Social Justice Immigration.

    SJI or Social Justice Immigrants should be the wave of the future.

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  150. @Bleuteaux
    We're essentially getting the most corrupt, dishonest people from every third-world country in the world. No wonder men are going abroad to find wives, and people generally are looking for functioning societies in Eastern Europe or wherever. The rate of social and economic decline in this country is unbelievable.

    The availability of horizontal transmission fosters the evolution of virulence.

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  151. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Mr. Anon

    My point is that just because a movie said something happened in a certain way, doesn’t mean that that’s what actually happened.
     
    I linked to a wikipedia article about the incident, the basic facts of which are not in dispute, I believe. You don't seem to understand my point at all. I mentioned the movie because - as I remember it - it did give a somewhat skewed interperetation of the events. My point was that the Hollywood version left some salient facts out, and that the fact it did was perhaps not accidental.

    Thanks for the clarification.

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