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The insult “inbred” is of course a favorite among liberals, as is “anti-science.”

And yet, in this week’s Taki’s Magazine column, I attempt to call attention to what has been one of the most overlooked aspects of the ongoing Camp of the Saints: how the high inbreeding rates among Middle Easterners causes genetic and cultural damage to the host populations:

The past half century of history with Muslim immigration to Europe suggests that once these new settlers are legally documented and entitled to exploit the local taxpayers, they will come under tremendous pressure from their extended families to legally wed cousins from the old country to provide the clan with more entrée to Europe. …

It’s hard to explain the horrific phenomenon of gang rapes of underage English girls, of which Rotherham is the tip of the iceberg, without understanding the psychological impact of inbreeding among Muslim immigrants. It makes people who aren’t your close kin seem less related to you. Why? Because they are less related to you. Thus, victimizing the host population in the interests of your blood relations is only natural.

In the 20th Century, cousin marriage rates in Northern European countries tended to be quite small. For example, in Hungary, which was so vociferously denounced for its anti-European backwardness in attempting to follow European Union rules for the benefit of the Continent as a whole, less than one percent of marriages were traditionally between first or second cousins, according to A.H. Bittles’ Consang.net.

In contrast, in many Muslim countries cousin marriage is stylish. Among the many studies summarized on Consang.net, here are some relevant ones published after my 2003 article in The American Conservative, “Cousin Marriage Conundrum:”

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Family reunification policies benefiting migrants gives clans even bigger incentives to badger their younger members into cross-continental arranged cousin marriages. These huge numbers of young men pouring into Europe will usually be expected by their extended families to eventually send for blood relatives as brides.

 
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  1. Whiskey says: • Website

    Worst of both worlds. Family reunification and subjugation of European women and girls as raped prostitutes. With European men left with no one. It pretty much guarantees the balloon going up.

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    THANKS NEOCONS!
    , @Kat Grey
    Yet we are allowing it to happen..where are the demonstrations against these genetically-damaged invaders? Or do we secretly wish to have our bloodline enriched by vibrancy?
    , @iSteveFan

    Worst of both worlds. Family reunification and subjugation of European women and girls as raped prostitutes. With European men left with no one. It pretty much guarantees the balloon going up.
     
    Whiskey, you have been on this blog a long time. In that time you have always belittled Patrick Buchanan from denouncing his policies to deliberately misspelling his name. Yet Buchanan has consistently fought against the immivasion about which you now seem so concerned. In the meantime you supported the aggressive neocon foreign policy that at best was of very little importance to the US, and at worst the chaotic mess that is now leading to the mass migration of invaders into Europe. All the while the neocons promoted open borders and denounced as racist anyone who did not accept the proposition-nation notion.

    Have you now changed your views? Are you now like Ann Coulter, a single issue voter whose single issue is immigration? Or do you still retain your middle eastern litmus test?

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  2. Jefferson says:

    This racist Black woman Latausha Nedd is ready to put a bullet in the head of every Cracka and police officer in America.

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  3. Jefferson says:

    “In the 20th Century, cousin marriage rates in Northern European countries tended to be quite small.”

    But according to Liberals, White Southerners of Northern European English and Scotch-Irish ancestry are the most inbred people in the world. Those Southern red state Republican voting Whites in states like Mississippi and Georgia are all the off springs of cousin sex. And everybody knows Liberals are telling the truth on this because they NEVER lie about anything.

    Being the good PC Liberals that they are, they believe inbred sex in the South is an entirely White thing and definitely does not apply to the Democratic voting Black Southerners. Black Southerners are way too sophisticated to engage in cousin sex. It’s only the backwards White Republican voting Southerners who do it.

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    The evidence for that behavior among some southern whites of Scotch-Irish and British ancestry is at least as good as whatever there is for patterns in Europe hundreds of years ago.
    , @Kat Grey
    Those liberals obviously never watched Spielberg's "The Color Purple".
    , @Mr. Zeepie
    I've commented before about the seeming uptick in heinous incest cases among blacks in Georgia. Incest is big among those weird Nuwabian cultists. I remember reading in the AJC -- buried in the Metro section -- last year a story about a Nuwabian guy and his wife who imprisoned, starved and sexually abused their daughter. His wife was his other daughter. Not the first time I've come across such a story. You can always count an exorcism-gone-wrong case now and then as well. Very urban Deliverence and occupying no mental space among SJWs who are always ready to vilify Southern whites with insults of incest and superstition.
    , @International Jew
    Among the ghetto class there's surely a fair amount of mating between half-siblings related through a father they don't know.
    , @Blair
    These are the states where first cousin marriage is legal:

    Alabama

    Alaska

    California

    Colorado

    Connecticut

    District of Columbia

    Florida

    Georgia

    Hawaii

    Maryland

    Massachusetts

    New Jersey

    New Mexico

    New York

    North Carolina*

    Rhode Island

    South Carolina

    Tennessee

    Vermont

    Virginia

    http://www.ncsl.org/research/human-services/state-laws-regarding-marriages-between-first-cousi.aspx
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  4. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    OT:

    http://news.sciencemag.org/europe/2015/09/scientist-revokes-software-license-protest-immigration-friendly-policies

    Starting from 1st October 2015, I do no longer permit the usage of my TREEFINDER software in the following EU countries: Germany, Austria, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Great Britain, Sweden, Denmark – the countries that together host most of the non-european immigrants. For all other countries, the old license agreement remains valid. USA has already been excluded from using Treefinder in February 2015. This is all in accordance with the license agreement stated in the TREEFINDER manual since the earliest versions, which reserves me the right to change the license agreement at any time. I can do this because Treefinder is my own property.

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  5. Lot says:

    I appreciate your posts on this and hope you keep on the topic. There simply is not effective open boarders response to these facts, as incest is extremely taboo across the entire US political spectrum.

    Speaking of Hungary, saying “less than 1%” is an overstatement. The 1946 marriage figure shows the number at 0.1%.

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    Incest in the sense of sleeping with your sister is taboo more or less everywhere. Even in most places where cousin marriage is very rare, I don't think it's considered incest, and surely doesn't have the same level of taboo.
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  6. Gang rapes of local girls are a feature, not a bug, of our overlords’ immigration strategy. Notice that the ‘victims’ never hail from the Tribe…

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  7. Good thing they’ll be paying taxes though. No way taking care of thousands of inbred kids with microcephaly and the hundreds of other genetic diseases caused by consanguinity is a net drain on the social welfare system.

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    Half the drs in the NHS are Pakis themselvese. With all the consequent incompetence, corruption and ethnic nepotism you'd expect. As a White Man you are a second class citizen as only certain treatments are funded. The NHS is uber PC and left wing so it prioritses darkies and women. So much of the budget is spent on incompetent Paki staff who can't be fired for fear of 'racism' allegations. These staff in turn know how to tip off their fellow Third World inbreds how to sponge the maximum amount off the white taxpayer. Most white people in Britain I know are sick of it and would rather the NHS be abolished and people fund their own health.
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  8. George says:

    You’re just jealous of their Asabiyyah.

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  9. OT (though I wonder if ‘analysts’ inbreed, too)

    A NPR report investigating the fairness of gifted and talented programs in Houston schools. Analysts believe black and hispanic students are at put at a disadvantage because of the way in which the program is run:

    Donna Ford, at Vanderbilt University, thinks that put Isaac at a disadvantage. She’s been researching gifted education for decades, and when it comes to Houston’s program she says, “I think it’s a clear case of segregation, gifted education being segregated by race and income.” Houston school leaders asked Ford to take a close look at their enrollment in the program, and she gave it a failing grade. “Racial bias has to be operating, inequities are rampant. Discrimination does exist whether intentional or unintentional,” she told the school board in May of this year. Ford found that both Hispanic and black students are underrepresented in gifted programs and that black students are missing out the most. She also found that about half the seats in those programs go to higher-income students, even though the majority of the district is poor.

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    Liberals think "disparate outcomes" are necessarily caused by discrimination.
    , @tbraton
    Back when I was attending public high school in Washington, D.C., we had something called the "Track System." Students were assigned to one of four tracks: Track I (Honors track for the gifted student), Track II (Academic track for students planning to go to college), Track III (General track for students not planning to go to college) and Track IV (Basic track for the less academically gifted). Sometime in the early 60's, a local black civil rights activist named Julius Hobson started filing various lawsuits, one of which challenged the Track System as discriminatory against black students. He was ultimately successful in winning his court case sometime in the mid to late 60's and the Track System bit the dust. The Honors Track generally had the best students taking courses limited just to like students who were taught by better teachers, and classes tended to be much smaller than normal. In my experience, the Track System seemed to work pretty well, since students who were less than serious were segregated away from more serious students.
    , @NOTA
    I heard that story on the radio. Odd how a bunch of obvious questions simply never occurred to the reporter--like how you would know if the statistics in the gifted programs were actually the result of discrimination, or how the black and white kids' test scores compare.

    I think most of the time, prestige media sources won't actually lie in a story like this. But they will refuse to mention facts they know are true that would mess up the story they want to tell.
    , @ic1000
    Re: OT NPR story "In Houston's Gifted Program, Critics Say Blacks And Latinos Are Overlooked"

    Yes -- but look through the over 500 comments provoked by that Blank Slate/White Privilege fable. Of the subset of listeners who wrote in, probably 90% aren't buying what the reporter is selling.

    NPR seems to have suspended their policy of aggressive moderation. I expect that the clampdown on ungoodthink will return with a vengeance.
    , @Boris Notspasky
    Gifted education is very cheap to offer. They stuff the classes full because hey, if you can't pass, then you can go sit with the rabble. You don't have to take Alg. I in 7th grade anyway.
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  10. @Whiskey
    Worst of both worlds. Family reunification and subjugation of European women and girls as raped prostitutes. With European men left with no one. It pretty much guarantees the balloon going up.

    THANKS NEOCONS!

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  11. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jefferson
    "In the 20th Century, cousin marriage rates in Northern European countries tended to be quite small."

    But according to Liberals, White Southerners of Northern European English and Scotch-Irish ancestry are the most inbred people in the world. Those Southern red state Republican voting Whites in states like Mississippi and Georgia are all the off springs of cousin sex. And everybody knows Liberals are telling the truth on this because they NEVER lie about anything.

    Being the good PC Liberals that they are, they believe inbred sex in the South is an entirely White thing and definitely does not apply to the Democratic voting Black Southerners. Black Southerners are way too sophisticated to engage in cousin sex. It's only the backwards White Republican voting Southerners who do it.

    The evidence for that behavior among some southern whites of Scotch-Irish and British ancestry is at least as good as whatever there is for patterns in Europe hundreds of years ago.

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  12. hodag says:

    Inbreeding is a rational strategy when there are bride prices. It is easier dealing with a brother setting the price, you are more likely to know if the betrothed is an a-hole and the money stays in the family.

    Non cousin marriage, worse yet love marriages, is a leap in the dark. Pure luck the custom took hold here

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    "Inbreeding is a rational strategy when there are bride prices." - And under polygamy, to keep your kin from being disadvantaged vs the wealthiest members of society.

    "Pure luck the custom took hold here" - Not luck, the Church went out of its way to stamp out cousin marriage, to prevent tribes from being able to threaten its own power.

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  13. Yakimi says:

    OT

    Finland suddenly a top choice for Iraqi asylum-seekers

    “For me, this is where I want to be,” the 48-year-old Iraqi electrical engineer said outside a reception center for asylum-seekers in a plush, leafy quarter of Helsinki, sighing deeply as he recalled his exhausting journey. “People here are civilized, calm and it’s quiet.”

    Saif Hussein, a 27-year-old boxer from Baghdad who arrived in Helsinki two months ago, said the relatively low number of immigrants is part of the reason he chose to come.

    “Finland is beautiful and nice and small,” he said. He didn’t want to stay in Germany or Sweden because “there are too many people there and too many immigrants. There is more room here.”

    It takes an immigrant to say what Europeans are not allowed to say.

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  14. rvg says:

    Why doesn’t Sailer talk about white serial killers or teen killers, if you had a country that had a negligible population of NAMs you would still have people like the Zodiac killer or white teen killers, sure you will have a lot less murders due to drug cartels, but the ones that occur will be the ones that are a lot harder to crack, like killings comitted by serial killers, or your stereotypical teen killer from a middle class or well to do family who kills her former BFF over some boy, or some real or imagined double cross.

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    WHY MOST SERIAL KILLERS ARE WHITE MEN

    Buried beneath mounds of sociological data, certain quantities hole up waiting to be unearthed. Requiring a bit of digging to expose, La Griffe, with analytical shovel in hand, reveals the criminality distributions for white, black and Hispanic men. From these he proposes two recipes for reducing the black-to-white incarceration ratio.

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/serial.htm
    , @Jefferson
    "Why doesn’t Sailer talk about white serial killers or teen killers, if you had a country that had a negligible population of NAMs you would still have people like the Zodiac killer or white teen killers, sure you will have a lot less murders due to drug cartels, but the ones that occur will be the ones that are a lot harder to crack, like killings comitted by serial killers, or your stereotypical teen killer from a middle class or well to do family who kills her former BFF over some boy, or some real or imagined double cross."

    Advancements in technology have made it a lot easier for law enforcement to catch serial killers. The reason why The Zodiac Killer was never caught was because the technology just wasn't there in 1969.

    But post-Zodiac killer America has done a very good job of apprehending serial killers like Ted Bundy, The Son Of Sam, Richard Ramirez, The D.C Snipers, The Death Angels, Jeffrey Dahmer, etc.
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  15. Kat Grey says:
    @Whiskey
    Worst of both worlds. Family reunification and subjugation of European women and girls as raped prostitutes. With European men left with no one. It pretty much guarantees the balloon going up.

    Yet we are allowing it to happen..where are the demonstrations against these genetically-damaged invaders? Or do we secretly wish to have our bloodline enriched by vibrancy?

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  16. Kat Grey says:
    @Jefferson
    "In the 20th Century, cousin marriage rates in Northern European countries tended to be quite small."

    But according to Liberals, White Southerners of Northern European English and Scotch-Irish ancestry are the most inbred people in the world. Those Southern red state Republican voting Whites in states like Mississippi and Georgia are all the off springs of cousin sex. And everybody knows Liberals are telling the truth on this because they NEVER lie about anything.

    Being the good PC Liberals that they are, they believe inbred sex in the South is an entirely White thing and definitely does not apply to the Democratic voting Black Southerners. Black Southerners are way too sophisticated to engage in cousin sex. It's only the backwards White Republican voting Southerners who do it.

    Those liberals obviously never watched Spielberg’s “The Color Purple”.

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  17. […] Steve Sailer for linking to Alan Bittles and Michael Black’s consang.net The site offers maps and tables […]

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    @415 reasons
    Good thing they'll be paying taxes though. No way taking care of thousands of inbred kids with microcephaly and the hundreds of other genetic diseases caused by consanguinity is a net drain on the social welfare system.

    Half the drs in the NHS are Pakis themselvese. With all the consequent incompetence, corruption and ethnic nepotism you’d expect. As a White Man you are a second class citizen as only certain treatments are funded. The NHS is uber PC and left wing so it prioritses darkies and women. So much of the budget is spent on incompetent Paki staff who can’t be fired for fear of ‘racism’ allegations. These staff in turn know how to tip off their fellow Third World inbreds how to sponge the maximum amount off the white taxpayer. Most white people in Britain I know are sick of it and would rather the NHS be abolished and people fund their own health.

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  19. AndrewR says:
    @theo the kraut
    OT (though I wonder if 'analysts' inbreed, too)

    A NPR report investigating the fairness of gifted and talented programs in Houston schools. Analysts believe black and hispanic students are at put at a disadvantage because of the way in which the program is run:

    Donna Ford, at Vanderbilt University, thinks that put Isaac at a disadvantage. She's been researching gifted education for decades, and when it comes to Houston's program she says, "I think it's a clear case of segregation, gifted education being segregated by race and income." Houston school leaders asked Ford to take a close look at their enrollment in the program, and she gave it a failing grade. "Racial bias has to be operating, inequities are rampant. Discrimination does exist whether intentional or unintentional," she told the school board in May of this year. Ford found that both Hispanic and black students are underrepresented in gifted programs and that black students are missing out the most. She also found that about half the seats in those programs go to higher-income students, even though the majority of the district is poor.
     

    Liberals think “disparate outcomes” are necessarily caused by discrimination.

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  20. @Jefferson
    "In the 20th Century, cousin marriage rates in Northern European countries tended to be quite small."

    But according to Liberals, White Southerners of Northern European English and Scotch-Irish ancestry are the most inbred people in the world. Those Southern red state Republican voting Whites in states like Mississippi and Georgia are all the off springs of cousin sex. And everybody knows Liberals are telling the truth on this because they NEVER lie about anything.

    Being the good PC Liberals that they are, they believe inbred sex in the South is an entirely White thing and definitely does not apply to the Democratic voting Black Southerners. Black Southerners are way too sophisticated to engage in cousin sex. It's only the backwards White Republican voting Southerners who do it.

    I’ve commented before about the seeming uptick in heinous incest cases among blacks in Georgia. Incest is big among those weird Nuwabian cultists. I remember reading in the AJC — buried in the Metro section — last year a story about a Nuwabian guy and his wife who imprisoned, starved and sexually abused their daughter. His wife was his other daughter. Not the first time I’ve come across such a story. You can always count an exorcism-gone-wrong case now and then as well. Very urban Deliverence and occupying no mental space among SJWs who are always ready to vilify Southern whites with insults of incest and superstition.

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  21. Sunbeam says:

    I’m no expert on cousin marriages, but they used to be more common than now in Europe.

    For example Werner Von Braun married his first or second cousin.

    And I’ll cheerfully accept any correction, but my memory seems to indicate Einstein was cousinly with his wife.

    Two anecdotes, but these were eminently civilized or evolved versions of the Euro at this point. Obviously Einstein was Jewish, but still. You might make a social status argument, but I dunno. My impression is this wasn’t uncommon, though strangely as an American “peasant” I seem to know more about upper class Euros than lower class ones.

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    "And I’ll cheerfully accept any correction, but my memory seems to indicate Einstein was cousinly with his wife."

    His first wife, by whom he had several children, was not related to him. His second wife, by whom he had no children, was a first cousin on his father's side and a second cousin on his mother's side, which seems to indicate that his father and mother were related.
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  22. Clyde says:

    Saif Hussein, a 27-year-old boxer from Baghdad who arrived in Helsinki two months ago, said the relatively low number of immigrants is part of the reason he chose to come.

    Same as many Europeans, he doesn’t want to live around crazy Iraqis, Syrians, Afghanis. Maybe he’ll be teaching the Finns boxing soon. He sounds secular, not one of those five times a day head bangers.

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  23. Ed says:

    Up to date numbers on Merkel’s Madness, Gov’t says 200k migrants entered Germany in September alone.

    http://news.yahoo.com/germany-took-more-200-000-migrants-last-month-115003898–business.html

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    I wonder how many months that rate of inflow can be sustained. If it goes on for long, I suspect it will have enormous political consequences. With the best will in the world, that level of immigration will cause all kinds of visible problems in Germany, all of which Merkel and the rest of the advocates of inviting the refugees in will own from now on.
    , @Jefferson
    "Up to date numbers on Merkel’s Madness, Gov’t says 200k migrants entered Germany in September alone."

    The number of Syrian refugees who have settled in Germany in just the month of September alone is larger than the populations of Santa Monica and Beverly Hills combined.
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  24. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Marrying one’s cousin is a common slur thrown at Appalachians and others that are safe to abuse. That it’s an actual reality and common practice for tens of millions of people outside of the US isn’t known to most Americans. I’ve mentioned it to a few people and their eyes took on a glazed look as if I were making it up. Same thing with polygamy; people think it’s all renegade Mormons and those strange white people featured on television programs. People don’t know and would prefer not to be told things that don’t go well with their cappuccinos.

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  25. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    …and, of course, eventually, you’ll get the whole of Pakistan emptying into the UK.

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  26. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    As over commenters have noticed, just what is the (inadvertent) rate of cosanguinity amongst the countless indiscriminately breeding proximate denizens of America’s teeming afram ghettoes?

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  27. Polynices says:

    Some of that could be stated much more strongly. Europeans, especially northern and northwestern Europeans, have been avoiding cousin marriages for many CENTURIES, over a thousand years in core NW Europe. Meanwhile, cousin marriage at the level seen among Muslims causes a noticeably lower IQ, in proportion to the degree of inbreeding.

    So it’s even worse than you say. I know you know this, but it bears repeating.

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  28. Friedrich says:

    What would be the alternative? Let them breed kids with european women, and pollute the white races’ gene pool? There are enough “bastards” already, in France alone 30% of births are bi-cultural, i.e. with only one native french parent. These people inherit cognitive profiles that don’t go well together, similar to US blacks who have 20% (or 30%?) white admixture on average. André Yorulmaz is evidence enough that this is a recipe for disaster.

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  29. Wilkey says:

    The proof of the Left’s racism is the lack of comment on inbreeding in foreign countries. If the South or any other Red State areas had rates like those, the Left would never shut up about them.

    The basic response to the Left, when they criticize conservatives (e.g., belief in evolution), needs to be to point out that fundamental hypocrisy.

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  30. iSteveFan says:

    Family unification and chain migration must go. We are always being told today’s immigrants are no different than yesterday’s European ones. Well if that is the case then let’s get rid of family unification. My immigrant predecessor was only allowed to bring his white body into the USA. If any of his family members wanted to come, they had to apply on their on merit and were not green-lighted a visa. It’s only fair that immigrants of today get no advantages over immigrants of the past.

    Speaking of which, we should also end all welfare type payments for today’s immigrants. My immigrant predecessor had to prove he would not become a ward of the state before he was allowed entry. The same should happen today. Immigrants are supposed to be hardy, self-reliant individuals. Getting welfare is cheating.

    I would also add any immigrant granted citizenship must vote in English. My immigrant predecessor was never offered a ballot or driver’s license exam in his native tongue.

    For people who talk so much about equal treatment, today’s immigrants and their supporters sure seem to want special privileges that previous immigrants didn’t receive.

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  31. Overhere says:

    My daughter (white) and her (mostly white) friends at a college in England were great friends with a muslim lad by the name of Iqbal. Iqbal was a pleasant young man but his family insisted that he should regard his cousins — of which there were many — as more important than any ‘casual’ friendships he might make. When Iqbal’s cousin Ahmed ever entered the college refectory Iqbal was required to leave whatever he was doing and go and shake hands with Ahmed.

    Iqbal disliked this, partly because he wanted his own life but mostly because cousin Ahmed was a nasty and unpleasant creature. Family ties mattered so much however that Iqbal had to obey the rule. Privately he would say he hated his cousin, but such was family ‘law’ in his people that Ahmed had to matter more than anyone else. What he knew was that if Ahmed wanted to make trouble anytime, Iqbal would have to back him up.

    So there we have one of the unspoken aspects of the Pakistani/muslim obsession with cousins: they all have to follow whatever happens, which may explain why any potential (dare I say) threat to security is magnified by any family ties.

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  32. “the high inbreeding rates among Middle Easterners causes genetic and cultural damage to the host populations”
    Huh? How can inbred Middle Easterners cause genetic damage to a *host* population (whose degree of consanguinity is unaffected by the parasite population)?

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  33. AnAnon says:
    @hodag
    Inbreeding is a rational strategy when there are bride prices. It is easier dealing with a brother setting the price, you are more likely to know if the betrothed is an a-hole and the money stays in the family.

    Non cousin marriage, worse yet love marriages, is a leap in the dark. Pure luck the custom took hold here

    “Inbreeding is a rational strategy when there are bride prices.” – And under polygamy, to keep your kin from being disadvantaged vs the wealthiest members of society.

    “Pure luck the custom took hold here” – Not luck, the Church went out of its way to stamp out cousin marriage, to prevent tribes from being able to threaten its own power.

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  34. rod1963 says:

    Inbreeding isn’t the worst of it, then there is their low IQ’s , Iraqis and Syrians IMS average out at 85. Then factor in Islam.

    So the “immigrants” have three strikes against them:
    1) They are severely inbred
    2) Most of them are morons and cannot fit in a modern society no matter what.
    3) They’re Muslims which makes them incompatible with all other societies in the world.

    Add all three together, plus the fact most immigrants are military age males who by lack of intelligence, lack of impulse control, lack of socialization, education and religion are unfit to be anything in their new society and you have a very, very dangerous situation that won’t take much to set off.

    My solution. Don’t accept any of them and send the ones we have back. Start with the Somalis, they are really bad.

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  35. tbraton says:

    “The past half century of history with Muslim immigration to Europe suggests that once these new settlers are legally documented and entitled to exploit the local taxpayers, they will come under tremendous pressure from their extended families to legally wed cousins from the old country to provide the clan with more entrée to Europe. …”

    Back in the early 90′s, I dated a divorced Lebanese-American woman who had been born in the Detroit area. She was not only a Muslim, but a Shiite! I learned from her that she had been sent to Lebanon when she was 15 to marry a man who was her first cousin. The idea was that they were not to consummate the marriage, return to the U.S. so he could get admitted, and then, after a certain period of time, they were to divorce. The best laid plans, as the expression goes. She got pregnant before returning to the States, so they had to remain married and ultimately had three children together. I am pretty sure the trip to Lebanon happened before the Immigration Act of 1965 became law. That was my first exposure to the incestuous practices among the Arabs, which I later learned from reading is a common practice in the Near East. It was also my first exposure to the practice of using marriage to circumvent the immigration laws.

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    You dated a Muslim woman? Are you a Muslim? Because Muslim women do not date Infidel men.
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  36. tbraton says:
    @theo the kraut
    OT (though I wonder if 'analysts' inbreed, too)

    A NPR report investigating the fairness of gifted and talented programs in Houston schools. Analysts believe black and hispanic students are at put at a disadvantage because of the way in which the program is run:

    Donna Ford, at Vanderbilt University, thinks that put Isaac at a disadvantage. She's been researching gifted education for decades, and when it comes to Houston's program she says, "I think it's a clear case of segregation, gifted education being segregated by race and income." Houston school leaders asked Ford to take a close look at their enrollment in the program, and she gave it a failing grade. "Racial bias has to be operating, inequities are rampant. Discrimination does exist whether intentional or unintentional," she told the school board in May of this year. Ford found that both Hispanic and black students are underrepresented in gifted programs and that black students are missing out the most. She also found that about half the seats in those programs go to higher-income students, even though the majority of the district is poor.
     

    Back when I was attending public high school in Washington, D.C., we had something called the “Track System.” Students were assigned to one of four tracks: Track I (Honors track for the gifted student), Track II (Academic track for students planning to go to college), Track III (General track for students not planning to go to college) and Track IV (Basic track for the less academically gifted). Sometime in the early 60′s, a local black civil rights activist named Julius Hobson started filing various lawsuits, one of which challenged the Track System as discriminatory against black students. He was ultimately successful in winning his court case sometime in the mid to late 60′s and the Track System bit the dust. The Honors Track generally had the best students taking courses limited just to like students who were taught by better teachers, and classes tended to be much smaller than normal. In my experience, the Track System seemed to work pretty well, since students who were less than serious were segregated away from more serious students.

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  37. tbraton says:
    @Sunbeam
    I'm no expert on cousin marriages, but they used to be more common than now in Europe.

    For example Werner Von Braun married his first or second cousin.

    And I'll cheerfully accept any correction, but my memory seems to indicate Einstein was cousinly with his wife.

    Two anecdotes, but these were eminently civilized or evolved versions of the Euro at this point. Obviously Einstein was Jewish, but still. You might make a social status argument, but I dunno. My impression is this wasn't uncommon, though strangely as an American "peasant" I seem to know more about upper class Euros than lower class ones.

    “And I’ll cheerfully accept any correction, but my memory seems to indicate Einstein was cousinly with his wife.”

    His first wife, by whom he had several children, was not related to him. His second wife, by whom he had no children, was a first cousin on his father’s side and a second cousin on his mother’s side, which seems to indicate that his father and mother were related.

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  38. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Looks like those various immigrants don’t get on with each other, let alone the Germans:

    http://www.rt.com/news/317229-refugees-clash-german-center/

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  39. NOTA says:
    @theo the kraut
    OT (though I wonder if 'analysts' inbreed, too)

    A NPR report investigating the fairness of gifted and talented programs in Houston schools. Analysts believe black and hispanic students are at put at a disadvantage because of the way in which the program is run:

    Donna Ford, at Vanderbilt University, thinks that put Isaac at a disadvantage. She's been researching gifted education for decades, and when it comes to Houston's program she says, "I think it's a clear case of segregation, gifted education being segregated by race and income." Houston school leaders asked Ford to take a close look at their enrollment in the program, and she gave it a failing grade. "Racial bias has to be operating, inequities are rampant. Discrimination does exist whether intentional or unintentional," she told the school board in May of this year. Ford found that both Hispanic and black students are underrepresented in gifted programs and that black students are missing out the most. She also found that about half the seats in those programs go to higher-income students, even though the majority of the district is poor.
     

    I heard that story on the radio. Odd how a bunch of obvious questions simply never occurred to the reporter–like how you would know if the statistics in the gifted programs were actually the result of discrimination, or how the black and white kids’ test scores compare.

    I think most of the time, prestige media sources won’t actually lie in a story like this. But they will refuse to mention facts they know are true that would mess up the story they want to tell.

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  40. Ivy says:

    Cousin marriage among the immigrant population leads to steppeford wives.

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  41. NOTA says:
    @Lot
    I appreciate your posts on this and hope you keep on the topic. There simply is not effective open boarders response to these facts, as incest is extremely taboo across the entire US political spectrum.

    Speaking of Hungary, saying "less than 1%" is an overstatement. The 1946 marriage figure shows the number at 0.1%.

    Incest in the sense of sleeping with your sister is taboo more or less everywhere. Even in most places where cousin marriage is very rare, I don’t think it’s considered incest, and surely doesn’t have the same level of taboo.

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    "Incest in the sense of sleeping with your sister is taboo more or less everywhere. Even in most places where cousin marriage is very rare, I don’t think it’s considered incest, and surely doesn’t have the same level of taboo."

    You either live in a cave or you have never step foot in the U.S because there is a huge taboo here against people who marry their cousins. This taboo is big even among 2nd and 3rd degree cousins, let alone first degree cousins.

    Many Americans think it is even taboo for people to marry family members who are only related to them by law and not by blood. I remember a lot of Americans making a huge deal in a negative way about Woody Allen marrying his adopted Asian daughter. I don't know why because it is not incest when a White Ashkenazi guy has sex with a pure 100 percent unmixed Asian woman.

    , @Steve Sailer
    Americans are extremely weirded out by first cousins marrying, whereas respectable Europeans like Darwin and Einstein married their cousins. I think eugenicists made cousin marriage disreputable among Americans, but maybe it goes back earlier.
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  42. NOTA says:
    @Ed
    Up to date numbers on Merkel's Madness, Gov't says 200k migrants entered Germany in September alone.

    http://news.yahoo.com/germany-took-more-200-000-migrants-last-month-115003898--business.html

    I wonder how many months that rate of inflow can be sustained. If it goes on for long, I suspect it will have enormous political consequences. With the best will in the world, that level of immigration will cause all kinds of visible problems in Germany, all of which Merkel and the rest of the advocates of inviting the refugees in will own from now on.

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  43. ic1000 says:
    @theo the kraut
    OT (though I wonder if 'analysts' inbreed, too)

    A NPR report investigating the fairness of gifted and talented programs in Houston schools. Analysts believe black and hispanic students are at put at a disadvantage because of the way in which the program is run:

    Donna Ford, at Vanderbilt University, thinks that put Isaac at a disadvantage. She's been researching gifted education for decades, and when it comes to Houston's program she says, "I think it's a clear case of segregation, gifted education being segregated by race and income." Houston school leaders asked Ford to take a close look at their enrollment in the program, and she gave it a failing grade. "Racial bias has to be operating, inequities are rampant. Discrimination does exist whether intentional or unintentional," she told the school board in May of this year. Ford found that both Hispanic and black students are underrepresented in gifted programs and that black students are missing out the most. She also found that about half the seats in those programs go to higher-income students, even though the majority of the district is poor.
     

    Re: OT NPR story “In Houston’s Gifted Program, Critics Say Blacks And Latinos Are Overlooked”

    Yes — but look through the over 500 comments provoked by that Blank Slate/White Privilege fable. Of the subset of listeners who wrote in, probably 90% aren’t buying what the reporter is selling.

    NPR seems to have suspended their policy of aggressive moderation. I expect that the clampdown on ungoodthink will return with a vengeance.

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  44. Jefferson says:
    @tbraton
    "The past half century of history with Muslim immigration to Europe suggests that once these new settlers are legally documented and entitled to exploit the local taxpayers, they will come under tremendous pressure from their extended families to legally wed cousins from the old country to provide the clan with more entrée to Europe. …"

    Back in the early 90's, I dated a divorced Lebanese-American woman who had been born in the Detroit area. She was not only a Muslim, but a Shiite! I learned from her that she had been sent to Lebanon when she was 15 to marry a man who was her first cousin. The idea was that they were not to consummate the marriage, return to the U.S. so he could get admitted, and then, after a certain period of time, they were to divorce. The best laid plans, as the expression goes. She got pregnant before returning to the States, so they had to remain married and ultimately had three children together. I am pretty sure the trip to Lebanon happened before the Immigration Act of 1965 became law. That was my first exposure to the incestuous practices among the Arabs, which I later learned from reading is a common practice in the Near East. It was also my first exposure to the practice of using marriage to circumvent the immigration laws.

    “Back in the early 90′s, I dated a divorced Lebanese-American woman who had been born in the Detroit area. She was not only a Muslim, but a Shiite! ”

    You dated a Muslim woman? Are you a Muslim? Because Muslim women do not date Infidel men.

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    "You dated a Muslim woman? Are you a Muslim? Because Muslim women do not date Infidel men."

    As I have stated numerous times, I was raised a Christian, but I stopped believing (if I ever did) in religion when I was 13 or 14, despite being dragged to church every Sunday until I went away to college. The turning point for me was when the very nice, 20 something year old Sunday school teacher started talking about Jonah and the whale (or large fish). I found the idea that a man could live in the belly of a whale or large fish for several days so preposterous that I walked out of that Sunday school class. The attempt to inoculate me with religion failed utterly. As a result, I have been able to date women of all religions, as long as they weren't especially religious themselves. I married a Catholic. The Muslim woman I dated had previously dated a non-Muslim American, but apparently he died in a motorcycle accident. After I dated her, I dated a Jewish woman and later a former Catholic who had become a born-again non-denominational Christian.

    The Muslim woman was not especially religious. She drank wine (moderately) and even ate pork (before becoming a vegetarian). She even renounced her Islamic faith after 9/11. She was the furthest thing from an Islamic terrorist that you could find. A nice woman who got along with everybody.
    , @HA
    >Because Muslim women do not date Infidel men.

    Oh, it happens.

    See also Grover Nordquist and Anthony Weiner...Jemima Khan hasn't been too particular about whom she dated since she converted.

    , @Don't Look at Me
    Had a one nighter with one in Europe long ago. Met her at a night club. She was Albanian and had a kid from her German ex, so she qualified for all sorts of benefits and didn't have to work. She wasn't exactly marriage material so I had my fun and moved on.
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  45. Jefferson says:
    @Ed
    Up to date numbers on Merkel's Madness, Gov't says 200k migrants entered Germany in September alone.

    http://news.yahoo.com/germany-took-more-200-000-migrants-last-month-115003898--business.html

    “Up to date numbers on Merkel’s Madness, Gov’t says 200k migrants entered Germany in September alone.”

    The number of Syrian refugees who have settled in Germany in just the month of September alone is larger than the populations of Santa Monica and Beverly Hills combined.

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  46. Jefferson says:
    @NOTA
    Incest in the sense of sleeping with your sister is taboo more or less everywhere. Even in most places where cousin marriage is very rare, I don't think it's considered incest, and surely doesn't have the same level of taboo.

    “Incest in the sense of sleeping with your sister is taboo more or less everywhere. Even in most places where cousin marriage is very rare, I don’t think it’s considered incest, and surely doesn’t have the same level of taboo.”

    You either live in a cave or you have never step foot in the U.S because there is a huge taboo here against people who marry their cousins. This taboo is big even among 2nd and 3rd degree cousins, let alone first degree cousins.

    Many Americans think it is even taboo for people to marry family members who are only related to them by law and not by blood. I remember a lot of Americans making a huge deal in a negative way about Woody Allen marrying his adopted Asian daughter. I don’t know why because it is not incest when a White Ashkenazi guy has sex with a pure 100 percent unmixed Asian woman.

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    "Many Americans think it is even taboo for people to marry family members who are only related to them by law and not by blood. I remember a lot of Americans making a huge deal in a negative way about Woody Allen marrying his adopted Asian daughter. I don’t know why because it is not incest when a White Ashkenazi guy has sex with a pure 100 percent unmixed Asian woman."

    People were rightly disgusted because Allen was in a sexual relationship with a girl 35 years his junior who had been his stepdaughter in all but law since she was 10-years-old. They suspected, probably correctly, that the sexual relationship began long before Soon Yi had reached the age of consent. I don't think a huge share of people thought it was incest - they just thought it was morally inappropriate, and they were certainly right.

    "You either live in a cave or you have never step foot in the U.S because there is a huge taboo here against people who marry their cousins. This taboo is big even among 2nd and 3rd degree cousins, let alone first degree cousins."

    This is true, of course. Americans are grossed out by the notion of "inbreeding" to the point of absurdity. You'd have to be a fool to acknowledge that you are related to your spouse to any degree, no matter how distant. Too many people would react with disgust. Marriage between first cousins is definitely gross - and dangerous. Marriage between third cousins is nothing to get worried about.

    Note the map at Steve's link. Americans have far lower rates of cousin marriage than almost anywhere in the world. Rates are far lower than 1%, while much of Europe is over 1%. Even the South, where inbreeding is reputedly high, must have lower rates of cousin marriage than exists in Europe (though in Europe much of that is probably between Muslims).

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  47. In England the <3% of births from such marriages account for ~30% of children with congenital birth defects.

    And the effects on IQ seem to be pretty big (a recent study from Jammu):

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4196914/

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  48. Romanian says:
    @rvg
    Why doesn't Sailer talk about white serial killers or teen killers, if you had a country that had a negligible population of NAMs you would still have people like the Zodiac killer or white teen killers, sure you will have a lot less murders due to drug cartels, but the ones that occur will be the ones that are a lot harder to crack, like killings comitted by serial killers, or your stereotypical teen killer from a middle class or well to do family who kills her former BFF over some boy, or some real or imagined double cross.

    WHY MOST SERIAL KILLERS ARE WHITE MEN

    Buried beneath mounds of sociological data, certain quantities hole up waiting to be unearthed. Requiring a bit of digging to expose, La Griffe, with analytical shovel in hand, reveals the criminality distributions for white, black and Hispanic men. From these he proposes two recipes for reducing the black-to-white incarceration ratio.

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/serial.htm

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  49. Jefferson says:
    @rvg
    Why doesn't Sailer talk about white serial killers or teen killers, if you had a country that had a negligible population of NAMs you would still have people like the Zodiac killer or white teen killers, sure you will have a lot less murders due to drug cartels, but the ones that occur will be the ones that are a lot harder to crack, like killings comitted by serial killers, or your stereotypical teen killer from a middle class or well to do family who kills her former BFF over some boy, or some real or imagined double cross.

    “Why doesn’t Sailer talk about white serial killers or teen killers, if you had a country that had a negligible population of NAMs you would still have people like the Zodiac killer or white teen killers, sure you will have a lot less murders due to drug cartels, but the ones that occur will be the ones that are a lot harder to crack, like killings comitted by serial killers, or your stereotypical teen killer from a middle class or well to do family who kills her former BFF over some boy, or some real or imagined double cross.”

    Advancements in technology have made it a lot easier for law enforcement to catch serial killers. The reason why The Zodiac Killer was never caught was because the technology just wasn’t there in 1969.

    But post-Zodiac killer America has done a very good job of apprehending serial killers like Ted Bundy, The Son Of Sam, Richard Ramirez, The D.C Snipers, The Death Angels, Jeffrey Dahmer, etc.

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    My point is that a white or nonNAM killer is much harder to spot and are better at cloaking themselves, hence a lot more disturbing. A killer who looks like your white HS seatmate is a lot more disturbing than a ghetto gang banger. What is disturbing about white killers is how often they are of the affluent middle class types or next door neighbor types, the smart manipulative sociopathic types, instead of the Michael Browns that you can spot easily.
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  50. @Jefferson
    "In the 20th Century, cousin marriage rates in Northern European countries tended to be quite small."

    But according to Liberals, White Southerners of Northern European English and Scotch-Irish ancestry are the most inbred people in the world. Those Southern red state Republican voting Whites in states like Mississippi and Georgia are all the off springs of cousin sex. And everybody knows Liberals are telling the truth on this because they NEVER lie about anything.

    Being the good PC Liberals that they are, they believe inbred sex in the South is an entirely White thing and definitely does not apply to the Democratic voting Black Southerners. Black Southerners are way too sophisticated to engage in cousin sex. It's only the backwards White Republican voting Southerners who do it.

    Among the ghetto class there’s surely a fair amount of mating between half-siblings related through a father they don’t know.

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  51. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/941867.shtml

    Interesting and all too typical. Destabilize the Middle East with Wars for Israel. So, now the current crisis with migrants and refugees from Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria(and Libya).

    It wasn’t Chinese policy that messed up the Middle East. Jewish policy was behind it because Jews seek predominance for Israel in the Middle East. But NYT
    tries to shift the blame on China for ‘not caring’ about the crisis.

    NYT(controlled by Jews and homosexuals) doesn’t blame Jews for messing things up. It never says Israel should take in refugees or open Golan Heights to Syrian refugees. No, NYT says European gentiles have to take in all these migrants and refugees. And it now says Chinese should take the ‘responsibility’ for the crisis.
    But did Chinese and Europeans cause this crisis? No, it was the Jewish elites who run America operating as the new imperialist globalist empire.

    What’s really funny is that so many sentimental ‘progressive’ dummies are fooled by this dirty trick and want to surrender their own countries to massive invasions caused by globo-Jewish aggression.
    We should all say JEWS should take responsibility and pay for all this. Look at US government under Clinton, Bush, Obama, and it’s been lots of Jews.

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  52. Blair says:
    @Jefferson
    "In the 20th Century, cousin marriage rates in Northern European countries tended to be quite small."

    But according to Liberals, White Southerners of Northern European English and Scotch-Irish ancestry are the most inbred people in the world. Those Southern red state Republican voting Whites in states like Mississippi and Georgia are all the off springs of cousin sex. And everybody knows Liberals are telling the truth on this because they NEVER lie about anything.

    Being the good PC Liberals that they are, they believe inbred sex in the South is an entirely White thing and definitely does not apply to the Democratic voting Black Southerners. Black Southerners are way too sophisticated to engage in cousin sex. It's only the backwards White Republican voting Southerners who do it.

    These are the states where first cousin marriage is legal:

    Alabama

    Alaska

    California

    Colorado

    Connecticut

    District of Columbia

    Florida

    Georgia

    Hawaii

    Maryland

    Massachusetts

    New Jersey

    New Mexico

    New York

    North Carolina*

    Rhode Island

    South Carolina

    Tennessee

    Vermont

    Virginia

    http://www.ncsl.org/research/human-services/state-laws-regarding-marriages-between-first-cousi.aspx

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  53. @theo the kraut
    OT (though I wonder if 'analysts' inbreed, too)

    A NPR report investigating the fairness of gifted and talented programs in Houston schools. Analysts believe black and hispanic students are at put at a disadvantage because of the way in which the program is run:

    Donna Ford, at Vanderbilt University, thinks that put Isaac at a disadvantage. She's been researching gifted education for decades, and when it comes to Houston's program she says, "I think it's a clear case of segregation, gifted education being segregated by race and income." Houston school leaders asked Ford to take a close look at their enrollment in the program, and she gave it a failing grade. "Racial bias has to be operating, inequities are rampant. Discrimination does exist whether intentional or unintentional," she told the school board in May of this year. Ford found that both Hispanic and black students are underrepresented in gifted programs and that black students are missing out the most. She also found that about half the seats in those programs go to higher-income students, even though the majority of the district is poor.
     

    Gifted education is very cheap to offer. They stuff the classes full because hey, if you can’t pass, then you can go sit with the rabble. You don’t have to take Alg. I in 7th grade anyway.

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  55. iSteveFan says:
    @Whiskey
    Worst of both worlds. Family reunification and subjugation of European women and girls as raped prostitutes. With European men left with no one. It pretty much guarantees the balloon going up.

    Worst of both worlds. Family reunification and subjugation of European women and girls as raped prostitutes. With European men left with no one. It pretty much guarantees the balloon going up.

    Whiskey, you have been on this blog a long time. In that time you have always belittled Patrick Buchanan from denouncing his policies to deliberately misspelling his name. Yet Buchanan has consistently fought against the immivasion about which you now seem so concerned. In the meantime you supported the aggressive neocon foreign policy that at best was of very little importance to the US, and at worst the chaotic mess that is now leading to the mass migration of invaders into Europe. All the while the neocons promoted open borders and denounced as racist anyone who did not accept the proposition-nation notion.

    Have you now changed your views? Are you now like Ann Coulter, a single issue voter whose single issue is immigration? Or do you still retain your middle eastern litmus test?

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  56. @NOTA
    Incest in the sense of sleeping with your sister is taboo more or less everywhere. Even in most places where cousin marriage is very rare, I don't think it's considered incest, and surely doesn't have the same level of taboo.

    Americans are extremely weirded out by first cousins marrying, whereas respectable Europeans like Darwin and Einstein married their cousins. I think eugenicists made cousin marriage disreputable among Americans, but maybe it goes back earlier.

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    The catholic church specifically outlaws cousin marriages to a surprisingly high degree. This prohibition dates back centuries,
    I do not know if the protestant denominatiins or Judaism has ever had the same canonical enforced taboo.
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  57. rvg says:
    @Jefferson
    "Why doesn’t Sailer talk about white serial killers or teen killers, if you had a country that had a negligible population of NAMs you would still have people like the Zodiac killer or white teen killers, sure you will have a lot less murders due to drug cartels, but the ones that occur will be the ones that are a lot harder to crack, like killings comitted by serial killers, or your stereotypical teen killer from a middle class or well to do family who kills her former BFF over some boy, or some real or imagined double cross."

    Advancements in technology have made it a lot easier for law enforcement to catch serial killers. The reason why The Zodiac Killer was never caught was because the technology just wasn't there in 1969.

    But post-Zodiac killer America has done a very good job of apprehending serial killers like Ted Bundy, The Son Of Sam, Richard Ramirez, The D.C Snipers, The Death Angels, Jeffrey Dahmer, etc.

    My point is that a white or nonNAM killer is much harder to spot and are better at cloaking themselves, hence a lot more disturbing. A killer who looks like your white HS seatmate is a lot more disturbing than a ghetto gang banger. What is disturbing about white killers is how often they are of the affluent middle class types or next door neighbor types, the smart manipulative sociopathic types, instead of the Michael Browns that you can spot easily.

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  58. BB753 says:

    On a related note, are there studies out there about sexual attraction between first cousins? Is it stronger, similar or weaker than between any two random individuals of the opposite sex? My guess is that second cousins feel a stronger mutual attraction than unrelated individuals, while first cousins don´t. Is second cousin mating the sweet spot for incest, that is, it provides enough balance between inbreeding and outbreeding? Speaking from anecdotal and personal experience, lacking a taboo, second cousins would probably marry each other or mate outside marriage in greater numbers. And no, there´s been no cousin marriage in my family as far as I know during the last 4 centuries.

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    An Iceland study suggested that third cousins were the sweet spot for having the most descendants -- people fit together well without being too inbred.
    , @MEH 0910
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/darwinian-sweet-spot-3rd-cousin/
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  59. Bl says:

    The Honors Track generally had the best students taking courses limited just to like students who were taught by better teachers, and classes tended to be much smaller than normal.

    Not anymore. Honors classes are big and the bottom track classes are small. First, honors students will pay attention and do homework even if there are 200 in the classes. However, the low performers can’t stay on task and need constant close supervision. Also, the behavior problems are in the lower track and you can’t have 30 kids when four or five have behavior problems. In a class of 10 or 15 you can get the crazies down to one or two per class. Really the crazies need to be expelled, but as we know, “That’s racist!”

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  60. @BB753
    On a related note, are there studies out there about sexual attraction between first cousins? Is it stronger, similar or weaker than between any two random individuals of the opposite sex? My guess is that second cousins feel a stronger mutual attraction than unrelated individuals, while first cousins don´t. Is second cousin mating the sweet spot for incest, that is, it provides enough balance between inbreeding and outbreeding? Speaking from anecdotal and personal experience, lacking a taboo, second cousins would probably marry each other or mate outside marriage in greater numbers. And no, there´s been no cousin marriage in my family as far as I know during the last 4 centuries.

    An Iceland study suggested that third cousins were the sweet spot for having the most descendants — people fit together well without being too inbred.

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    My second cousin, twice removed (it's a very complicated family relationship but the blood link is weak) liked my first cousin. The former grew up in the East and the latter in the West. My Western-raised family found the idea absolutely abhorrent even when my Eastern family explained the blood-link was so weak as to be non-existent (which is technically correct) however it did ensue in a slight estrangement.

    In the more traditional segments of the family tree (there are some very liberal hyper-Westernised wings and some very traditional ones) there were so many family feuds as the Westernising relatives were refusing to marry their cousins etc.. Of course made for good family gossip..
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  61. tbraton says:
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    "Back in the early 90′s, I dated a divorced Lebanese-American woman who had been born in the Detroit area. She was not only a Muslim, but a Shiite! "

    You dated a Muslim woman? Are you a Muslim? Because Muslim women do not date Infidel men.

    “You dated a Muslim woman? Are you a Muslim? Because Muslim women do not date Infidel men.”

    As I have stated numerous times, I was raised a Christian, but I stopped believing (if I ever did) in religion when I was 13 or 14, despite being dragged to church every Sunday until I went away to college. The turning point for me was when the very nice, 20 something year old Sunday school teacher started talking about Jonah and the whale (or large fish). I found the idea that a man could live in the belly of a whale or large fish for several days so preposterous that I walked out of that Sunday school class. The attempt to inoculate me with religion failed utterly. As a result, I have been able to date women of all religions, as long as they weren’t especially religious themselves. I married a Catholic. The Muslim woman I dated had previously dated a non-Muslim American, but apparently he died in a motorcycle accident. After I dated her, I dated a Jewish woman and later a former Catholic who had become a born-again non-denominational Christian.

    The Muslim woman was not especially religious. She drank wine (moderately) and even ate pork (before becoming a vegetarian). She even renounced her Islamic faith after 9/11. She was the furthest thing from an Islamic terrorist that you could find. A nice woman who got along with everybody.

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    An Iceland study suggested that third cousins were the sweet spot for having the most descendants -- people fit together well without being too inbred.

    My second cousin, twice removed (it’s a very complicated family relationship but the blood link is weak) liked my first cousin. The former grew up in the East and the latter in the West. My Western-raised family found the idea absolutely abhorrent even when my Eastern family explained the blood-link was so weak as to be non-existent (which is technically correct) however it did ensue in a slight estrangement.

    In the more traditional segments of the family tree (there are some very liberal hyper-Westernised wings and some very traditional ones) there were so many family feuds as the Westernising relatives were refusing to marry their cousins etc.. Of course made for good family gossip..

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  63. HA says:
    @Jefferson
    "Back in the early 90′s, I dated a divorced Lebanese-American woman who had been born in the Detroit area. She was not only a Muslim, but a Shiite! "

    You dated a Muslim woman? Are you a Muslim? Because Muslim women do not date Infidel men.

    >Because Muslim women do not date Infidel men.

    Oh, it happens.

    See also Grover Nordquist and Anthony Weiner…Jemima Khan hasn’t been too particular about whom she dated since she converted.

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  64. @Jefferson
    "Back in the early 90′s, I dated a divorced Lebanese-American woman who had been born in the Detroit area. She was not only a Muslim, but a Shiite! "

    You dated a Muslim woman? Are you a Muslim? Because Muslim women do not date Infidel men.

    Had a one nighter with one in Europe long ago. Met her at a night club. She was Albanian and had a kid from her German ex, so she qualified for all sorts of benefits and didn’t have to work. She wasn’t exactly marriage material so I had my fun and moved on.

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    Back when the Shah ran Iran, any American employee of any major US defense contractor could get all he could handle from the Iranian women. When there are no bad consequences if they get caught, the Muslim women are often pretty liberal about sex.

    Of course, the Iranians are one of the few Muslim groups where the women are not very usually dumb, ugly and smelly, or at least one of the few where the ones that are available aren't. The Lebanese women I ran into when I was over there who were pretty and smart were usually Christian.
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  65. Wilkey says:
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    "Incest in the sense of sleeping with your sister is taboo more or less everywhere. Even in most places where cousin marriage is very rare, I don’t think it’s considered incest, and surely doesn’t have the same level of taboo."

    You either live in a cave or you have never step foot in the U.S because there is a huge taboo here against people who marry their cousins. This taboo is big even among 2nd and 3rd degree cousins, let alone first degree cousins.

    Many Americans think it is even taboo for people to marry family members who are only related to them by law and not by blood. I remember a lot of Americans making a huge deal in a negative way about Woody Allen marrying his adopted Asian daughter. I don't know why because it is not incest when a White Ashkenazi guy has sex with a pure 100 percent unmixed Asian woman.

    “Many Americans think it is even taboo for people to marry family members who are only related to them by law and not by blood. I remember a lot of Americans making a huge deal in a negative way about Woody Allen marrying his adopted Asian daughter. I don’t know why because it is not incest when a White Ashkenazi guy has sex with a pure 100 percent unmixed Asian woman.”

    People were rightly disgusted because Allen was in a sexual relationship with a girl 35 years his junior who had been his stepdaughter in all but law since she was 10-years-old. They suspected, probably correctly, that the sexual relationship began long before Soon Yi had reached the age of consent. I don’t think a huge share of people thought it was incest – they just thought it was morally inappropriate, and they were certainly right.

    “You either live in a cave or you have never step foot in the U.S because there is a huge taboo here against people who marry their cousins. This taboo is big even among 2nd and 3rd degree cousins, let alone first degree cousins.”

    This is true, of course. Americans are grossed out by the notion of “inbreeding” to the point of absurdity. You’d have to be a fool to acknowledge that you are related to your spouse to any degree, no matter how distant. Too many people would react with disgust. Marriage between first cousins is definitely gross – and dangerous. Marriage between third cousins is nothing to get worried about.

    Note the map at Steve’s link. Americans have far lower rates of cousin marriage than almost anywhere in the world. Rates are far lower than 1%, while much of Europe is over 1%. Even the South, where inbreeding is reputedly high, must have lower rates of cousin marriage than exists in Europe (though in Europe much of that is probably between Muslims).

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    Americans are extremely weirded out by first cousins marrying, whereas respectable Europeans like Darwin and Einstein married their cousins. I think eugenicists made cousin marriage disreputable among Americans, but maybe it goes back earlier.

    The catholic church specifically outlaws cousin marriages to a surprisingly high degree. This prohibition dates back centuries,
    I do not know if the protestant denominatiins or Judaism has ever had the same canonical enforced taboo.

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    The catholic church specifically outlaws cousin marriages to a surprisingly high degree. This prohibition dates back centuries,
     
    This doesn't show up in the civil marriage laws in Catholic countries, though. The only place in the world to outlaw first-cousin marriage is the US, and only in about half the states.

    Iowa is one of them. A man cannot marry a first cousin, but is free to marry his identical twin. Figure that logic out.
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  67. Biologically, the Allen-Soon-Yi affair was and is not incest or inbreeding. What made it offensive was the fact that Allen had been the girl’s stepfather since she was very young and Allen knew everyone would be completely ranked out, plus the stresses on the family structure it made inevitable.

    Some time ago I had a friend who decided to cougar up with a mutual friend’s (admittedly hot) divorced mother. It got ugly fast, of course, and I asked him: Even though it isn’t illegal, isn’t biologically offensive, out of the millions of milfy old broads you could have went for you had to go for this particular one?? Any decent person puts the welfare and good order of his family and his friendships over a little hey-hey.

    This is why the Mafia had its hard and clear rules over which women a made member kept his member out of. Mothers, daughters, sisters and wives of made men were off limits always and forever to any and all other made men. It wasn’t as if this put any great restriction on these guys since the other 99.999% of females were none of the mob’s concern for affairs or casual boffing. (The exception was that subject to the normal rules of society and the Church, a younger initiate could marry another mob guy’s daughter, so long as everyone with a say-so consented. Indeed that’s how family alliances were cemented sometimes.)

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  68. MEH 0910 says:
    @BB753
    On a related note, are there studies out there about sexual attraction between first cousins? Is it stronger, similar or weaker than between any two random individuals of the opposite sex? My guess is that second cousins feel a stronger mutual attraction than unrelated individuals, while first cousins don´t. Is second cousin mating the sweet spot for incest, that is, it provides enough balance between inbreeding and outbreeding? Speaking from anecdotal and personal experience, lacking a taboo, second cousins would probably marry each other or mate outside marriage in greater numbers. And no, there´s been no cousin marriage in my family as far as I know during the last 4 centuries.
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  69. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Hungary isn’t in Northern Europe. Not even close. Might want to rethink that bit of evidence.

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    This is why the Mafia had its hard and clear rules over which women a made member kept his member out of.

    The Mafia is said to have gone to pot because this rule was so often violated.

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  71. @Anonymous
    The catholic church specifically outlaws cousin marriages to a surprisingly high degree. This prohibition dates back centuries,
    I do not know if the protestant denominatiins or Judaism has ever had the same canonical enforced taboo.

    The catholic church specifically outlaws cousin marriages to a surprisingly high degree. This prohibition dates back centuries,

    This doesn’t show up in the civil marriage laws in Catholic countries, though. The only place in the world to outlaw first-cousin marriage is the US, and only in about half the states.

    Iowa is one of them. A man cannot marry a first cousin, but is free to marry his identical twin. Figure that logic out.

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  72. @Don't Look at Me
    Had a one nighter with one in Europe long ago. Met her at a night club. She was Albanian and had a kid from her German ex, so she qualified for all sorts of benefits and didn't have to work. She wasn't exactly marriage material so I had my fun and moved on.

    Back when the Shah ran Iran, any American employee of any major US defense contractor could get all he could handle from the Iranian women. When there are no bad consequences if they get caught, the Muslim women are often pretty liberal about sex.

    Of course, the Iranians are one of the few Muslim groups where the women are not very usually dumb, ugly and smelly, or at least one of the few where the ones that are available aren’t. The Lebanese women I ran into when I was over there who were pretty and smart were usually Christian.

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