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Here’s an obituary in the Los Angeles Times on one member of perhaps the most famous pair from the famous Minnesota Twins study:

Jack and Oskar Yufe (or maybe vice-versa)

Jack Yufe dies at 82; he was raised Jewish, his identical twin as a Nazi

by Elaine Woo

It sounded like a tabloid headline: Identical twins separated after birth. One grew up Jewish, the other a Nazi.

But the story of Jack Yufe and his brother was not just about their stark differences.

After decades and oceans apart, the men came together as adults to learn they dressed alike, walked alike, and had the same hot temper and quirks, including a fondness for scaring others with an explosively loud sneeze.

They both read books from back to front, loved butter and spicy food and flushed the toilet before they used it.

“They were a great example of how twins, despite different environments, ended up being very much alike,” said Cal State Fullerton psychology professor Nancy Segal, who studied the brothers as part of a well-known Minnesota research project on separated twins.

My old pal Nancy Segal is America’s Twin Maven. Note to reporters: Just about any story Nancy has a hand in (such as this one from last year on two pairs of identical twins who got mixed up in the maternity ward) is going to be full of human interest.

Yufe, a San Ysidro businessman, died Monday in a San Diego hospital from stomach cancer, his family said. He was 82.

Of 137 pairs of separated twins in the two-decade University of Minnesota study, 56 were fraternal and 81 were identical. Yufe and his brother, Oskar Stohr, stood out because of their dramatically dissimilar backgrounds.

Born in Port of Spain, Trinidad, on Jan. 16, 1933, they were 6 months old when their parents split up.

Oskar went to Germany with his Catholic mother, Elizabeth, and grew up as the Nazis rose to power. Like his fellow students, he greeted the school principal with “Heil, Hitler,” and was warned by his grandmother to never let on that his father, Joseph, was Jewish. As an act of survival, Oskar joined the Hitler Youth movement.

Years later, he confessed that he had dreamed that he shot down his twin in an aerial dogfight. Jack had a similar nightmare about killing Oskar with a bayonet.

For Jack, however, the war was a distant threat, experienced mainly through newsreels he saw growing up in Trinidad with their father. His childhood was difficult in other ways.

“As a white, red-headed boy in a predominantly black and Indian culture, he stood out a lot and was beat up a lot,” said his son, Kenneth. “He was constantly having to prove himself.” Luckily, he was highly competitive and and excelled athletically.

Jack knew he was Jewish but didn’t feel the weight of that identity until he was 15 and was sent to Venezuela to live with an aunt who had been in Dachau and was the only European relative on his father’s side to survive the Holocaust.

She urged Jack to move to Israel and his father agreed that it would be good for him. Jack reluctantly emigrated at 16 and served a stint in the Israeli navy.

In 1954, before heading to the United States where his father had settled, he decided to stop in Germany to look up his brother. They were 21 when they met for the first time as adults.

The reunion did not go well. Because of the language barrier, “there was a lot of smiling but not much to say,” Yufe recalled in The Times in 1979. He also remembered that his brother, worried about anti-Semitic family members, insisted he not mention his Jewish heritage and hid the luggage tags that showed Yufe had been in Israel.

But there was something more upsetting than their differences.

Separated near birth and raised in different worlds, Jack and Oskar discovered they shared remarkable similarities when they reunited for a study on identical twins.

When they met at the train station, Jack and Oskar were chagrined to find that not only did they have the same neat mustaches and receding hairlines, they were wearing similar wire-rimmed glasses and matching, light-colored sports jackets.

“We had identical clothes. I got mine in Israel and he got his in Germany. Exactly the same color, with two buttons,” Yufe recalled in a 1999 BBC documentary. “I said, ‘Oskar, you are wearing the same shirt and same glasses. Why?’ He said to me, ‘Why are you wearing same thing that I am?’

“We didn’t like the fact we looked so identical.”

They went 25 years without seeing each other again.

It’s not that easy being an identical twin.

One member of a pair of identical twins explained to me that for everybody else in humanity, the world is divided into:

Me and Everybody Else

But for him, the world was divided into:

Me, Him, and Everybody Else

This had advantages and disadvantages, but it was definitely different.

By the way, pretty much the first scientist to study twins as natural experiments in human nature was, as usual, Francis Galton.

There’s a certain pop culture market for tales of British scientists who were ahead of their time, such as Charles Babbage and Alan Turing. It ties into the Steam Punk craze for Jules Verne-like alternative universes. But the guy who was ahead of his time in the most ways was Galton, which I guess is why he is so demonized. It would be interesting if somebody like Neal Stephenson tried to change the current braindead opinion of Galton.

 
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  1. There have long been rumors that Hitler himself may have had paternal Jewish ancestry, and his Y-chromosome haplogroup was found to be E1b, which is Near Eastern and common among Jews.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    He also had an identical twin who wore the same mustache. That one ended up in Hollywood and worked in the movie business, so the Jewish part might be true.
    , @Anonymous
    There were many problems with that study. First, Hitler's father Alois was adopted, so testing paternal Hitler relatives wouldn't necessarily tell us anything about Adolf Hitler's Y chromsome. Also, haplogroup E3b isn't rare among autochthonous gentile Europeans. E3b made its way to Europe with Neolithic migrants from the Middle East thousands of years before Jews or Judaism existed. Razib Khan tagged his post on that article about Hitler's genetic ancestry "junk genetics" for good reason.
  2. Does anyone really believe that there is a gene or group of genes that encodes for mustache grooming preferences and white sports jackets? If not, then this is much more easily explained as a convergence of personal styles based upon each man trying to look his best in a particular social setting. You may have noticed that a sizable proportion of people in any age tend to dress similarly in similar circumstances. Had this not been the case we would have no notion of “style” at all, and there would only be a collage of individual idiosyncracies stretched out across time.

    But just look at any photograph of a crowd in the 1950s and witness the multitudes of men in their shirt sleeves and thin black ties, all looking very much identical. Or go back another generation and witness the ubiquitous top hats and bowlers. What are bell bottoms and tie-dye to a hippy, or tweed jackets to a Welshman? Everybody strives to look like the archetypical member of the group they wish to represent themselves as belonging to. Thus we can tell a person’s geographical origin and social role by his dress, and a period piece by the costume of the players.

    It is almost impossible not to exaggerate the similarities in a twin study, but I would venture a guess that the differences are much more profound and telling.

    • Replies: @Alice
    I watched my week old newborn baby go to sleep with his hands in little fists turned to cover his ear in the same ridiculous position his father sleeps in.

    No way that was environment. If we are encoding for the tiniest of mannerisms like that, of course we are encoded for grooming preferences.
    , @Jack D
    But these were two guys from very different cultures so the chances of them dressing identically were much less than if they were both from the same place. Israelis in particular at that time didn't favor sport coats - not really suited to the climate and not in keeping with the labor-socialist ethos of the early days. The classic Israeli outfit of that era was an open collared shirt. Here is Israeli prime minister Ben Gurion (with Scottish socialist Ritchie Calder) in 1954:

    http://www.midnighteast.com/mag/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/david-ben-gurion-1954-r-kalder-sde-boker-press-prime-ministers-office.jpg

    Nowadays, everyone dress more informally but in 1954 it would have been very unusual for a Western leader to dress that way - Nixon used to wear a suit and tie to walk on the beach.

    Narrow black ties are '60s, not '50s. The '50s were the era of wide ties and baggy suits. Skinny black ties were cutting edge in the late '50s (popularized by rock & roll musicians such as Elvis and later the Beatles) and didn't become mainstream fashion until the '60s.
    , @Ola
    I am an identical twin and agree somewhat with your observations. I sport the same short cropped haircut as my twin brother. This is, however, not due to us trying to look like archetypical members of the group we wish to represent ourselves as belonging to. Rather we have the same face and cranial structure and are in aesthetic agreemen of what haircut makes our faces look the best.

    Consequently we havent changed hairstyles for the last twentyfive years.

    Same with clothes -> Identical bodies + identical aesthetic sensibilities = identical clothing styles.

    , @JayMan

    Does anyone really believe that there is a gene or group of genes that encodes for mustache grooming preferences and white sports jackets?
     
    All Human Behavioral Traits are Heritable

    It is almost impossible not to exaggerate the similarities in a twin study, but I would venture a guess that the differences are much more profound and telling.
     
    Identical twins are different, but the differences are increasingly seeming to be pretty hollow.
    , @Sparkling Wiggle
    Style is largely a function of personality, and personality certainly is heritable.

    I have older siblings who are identical twins, and could rattle off a couple hundred such stories about them. One Christmas they both bought my mother the same set of earrings--purchased at Macy's independently in two different cities. One day they showed up with socks mismatched in the same way: solid white on the left foot, white with a green stripe on the right.

    If you've got twins in your family, you're pretty keyed up to notice episodes like these, so the standard caveats about confirmation bias apply.
    , @IBC
    Very good and necessary point.
  3. I’m guessing Oskar is the one on the left and Jack the one on the right. Jack is less clean-cut and slightly pudgier than his German-raised sibling…
    Anyone have a guess?

    • Replies: @Blah
    LAT caption says the opposite.
    , @Triumph104
    I guessed the opposite. Jack was an athlete in Trinidad and a member of the Israeli navy so I figured he was the thinner one.
  4. Yesterday I linked to good old Derbyshire’s essay of a couple years ago where he did a maven’s rundown of the cutting edge philosophy of mind according to science. The psych text I wish I hadn’t sold back had stranger-to-each-other twins who incredibly had built the exact same very singular wooden bench around the trunk of the tree in their front yards. I simply cannot fathom anything less radical than calling that a function of an illusion because it’s nifty, according to Derb according to Dennett, see for yourself that’s materialism these days, because if its already nifty why call it consciousness?

    Has anyone ever heard twins raised together say, no there’s no sense of anything invisible between us, no shared intuition, no emotional connection? Cause that would be no for me, and I’m thinking its four or five who have said they do. But never one who just shrugged. Then there’s that rumor that there are those who know, aegis Uncle Same, that maxwell’s equations are a mite off, or maybe more… But then that does not mean there is no correct equation!

    • Replies: @John Derbyshire
    Pat:
    I appreciate the mention, but next time add a link. I need the clicks.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    When Steve did a report on former NBA player Jason Collins coming out a few yrs ago, he quoted Jason's twin brother (Jarred? or Jeremy?) who more or less stated that 'this is a total surprise to me, and we've been so close all these years. He really must've been hiding it from me the entire time.' Now whether or not Collins' twin brother was lying or being serious is perhaps a point of debate, but the fact remains: Collins' twin brother has publicly stated that he never saw that coming, when he was asked if he knew all along that his twin brother was gay.
  5. “As a white, red-headed boy in a predominantly black and Indian culture, he stood out a lot and was beat up a lot,” said his son, Kenneth. “He was constantly having to prove himself.” Luckily, he was highly competitive and and excelled athletically.

    Did the Trinidadians allow him to join their country clubs?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Oddly enough, in the BBC documentary on him, Jack himself speaks (starting at around 4:00) about Trinidad in glowing terms:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD-ziklnhD0

    Modern status is all about claiming victimhood so his son wants to increase his late father's status by increasing the # of victim Pokemon points in his column. Mentioning his aunt the Dachau survivor does the same.

    BTW, in their later years the brothers look less alike - the (now American) Jack looks younger than his German brother (who you can see starting at around 4:40). I think this film was made shortly before Oskar's death. A lot of this is hair and clothing - in a later scene they are both wearing identical Trinidad T-shirts and hats and are hard to tell apart.

    You can see the famous sport coats in the documentary also. Most of the time Jack is not wearing a tie but Oskar is.

  6. • Replies: @LondonBob
    I haven't and don't wish to.

    The reason why so called gay 'marriage' should have been blocked is that we wouldn't be bombarded with 'trans' issues now. What comes after that though?
  7. There was no country called simply “Germany” in 1954; there were two countries, East Germany and West Germany, both of which had been constituted as (ostensibly) sovereign states, in 1949, with the former being a Soviet satellite, while the latter was a bastion of the “Free World.” So, in which country did the former “Nazi” actually live? Are we really to believe that people, in either country, in 1949, were publicly persecuting Jews, or just people who passed through with Israeli tags on their luggage? Did someone also ruin Jack’s visit to his ancestral home, by any chance, by defacing the wall of his guest room with feces, in the shape of a swastika? Too bad that Germans were so inept at making cameras, back in the day….

    • Replies: @snorlax
    Give me an effin break, any Jew would be terrified of visiting Germany so soon after 1945, and for good reason.
    , @reiner Tor
    Actually West Germans - when asked - simply said they were from Germany (Deutschland). The West German Ground Law (constitution - it wasn't called a constitution because it was thought to be replaced later after reunification with a proper constitution) I think explicitly talked about reunification etc., according to the West Germans the whole setup was to be temporary (as it proved to be, by 1990), so obviously they went to West Germany, the freer of the two. (East Germans, on the other hand, insisted that they came from the German Democratic Republic, the first state of the workers and peasants on German land, and that no such thing as "Germany" existed for the time being.)

    Here's a picture of Germans (presumably, Nazis) saluting Otto Ohlendorf at his funeral in 1951. (He was executed for war crimes.) Such a scene of mass-Hitler salutes would be inconceivable in the Germany of today. (And even if something like that did happen, the secret police would be all over this.) In the 1950s, still a lot of people were more or less openly Nazis.

    I guess the German twin didn't fear his brother (or even himself) being "persecuted", only that people (or at least, many people) would start looking funny at him for years to come. It's not unlikely that he was needlessly worried, but this part of the story is easy to believe.
  8. [both] flushed the toilet before they used it

    Doesn’t prove much. It’s just common sense after a few splash backs, even if it sounded stupid at first.

  9. @D. K.
    There was no country called simply "Germany" in 1954; there were two countries, East Germany and West Germany, both of which had been constituted as (ostensibly) sovereign states, in 1949, with the former being a Soviet satellite, while the latter was a bastion of the "Free World." So, in which country did the former "Nazi" actually live? Are we really to believe that people, in either country, in 1949, were publicly persecuting Jews, or just people who passed through with Israeli tags on their luggage? Did someone also ruin Jack's visit to his ancestral home, by any chance, by defacing the wall of his guest room with feces, in the shape of a swastika? Too bad that Germans were so inept at making cameras, back in the day....

    Give me an effin break, any Jew would be terrified of visiting Germany so soon after 1945, and for good reason.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    The half-Jewish Jack obviously was not terrified of visiting; his half-Jewish twin actually lived there, full time. The question remains: which Germany are we talking about? Should not Sam Zell's reporter be able to tell us? Instead, we are told that Oskar was a former Nazi-- despite his being all of twelve years old when the Third Reich ended, over seventy years ago, by now! At any rate, the notion that visiting Jews-- including half-Jewish redheads-- were being persecuted by the ethnic Germans, in either country, in 1954, is laughable. (I mistakenly wrote "1949" in my original comment.)
    , @Jack D
    My parents (and thousands of other Jewish refugees) lived in Germany as refugees from the end of the war until 1951. They weren't terrified - the Allies were running things and it was former Nazis who were terrified.

    The article didn't say that either brother was "terrified" , just that the German twin was ashamed of his Jewish brother and didn't want his neighbors to find out. Persecution doesn't have to involve painting swastikas , it could mean that the German twin might have become a social untouchable - some of the locals might not have wanted him to date their daughters or be friendly with their sons, etc.
  10. I think around 1979 I owned that pullover shirt Oskar is wearing (not the L. Ron Hubbard-style yachting shirt that Jack has on). Ocean Pacific brand? My mother bought all my clothes, so I was a pretty sporty dresser for awhile.

  11. The article says that the man on the right (the chubbier one) is the one raised in Germany, apparently he died of lung cancer in 1997. The article also says that he worked in mines for many years.

    Too bad that the article did not give more attention to this discrepancy, since the difference between dying at 82 and dying at 65 is pretty substantial and is a good data point for the big impact environment can have on your health.

    As far as the similarities go, it’s not completely straightforward to know what to make of them since there may have been many mismatched quirks which are not mentioned in the article. That said, if you have children, it’s pretty easy to come to believe that genetics has a tremendous influence on behavior.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Health tip: don't work in mines.
  12. @Anonymous
    Steve, have you seen Caitlyn's new rack?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3314059/Caitlyn-Jenner-reveals-results-breast-augmentation-surgery-puts-sideshow-LBD-leaving-Victoria-s-Secret-afterparty.html

    I haven’t and don’t wish to.

    The reason why so called gay ‘marriage’ should have been blocked is that we wouldn’t be bombarded with ‘trans’ issues now. What comes after that though?

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    You were right not to look. The pictures make you just feel sorry for the poor bastard, it's like seeing someone on the street who has been mangled in an accident or war. That instinctive feeling of pity is bad because it dissipates the anger we should all be feeling about the dismantling of our civilization, and disarms us emotionally.
    I may feel especially affected because I am the same age as Bruce and shudder to think what I would look like if I contracted the same malady and my loved ones enabled it instead of getting me the help I needed.
    , @dearieme
    Transfat is evil but transgender is wonderful. Have I got that right?
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "The reason why so called gay ‘marriage’ should have been blocked is that we wouldn’t be bombarded with ‘trans’ issues now."

    Yes, there's that, I suppose. There's also the simple fact that marriage is one of the fundamental "building block" institutions of Western civilization, and to define it as something other than a union between a man and a woman, is to effectively abolish that institution, and to erect a new, sex-neutral institution in its place, one that is deceptively still referred to as "marriage." That is both extremely reckless and imprudent, as well as more than a little revolting. Whereas the whole ridiculous, World War T kerfuffle, is little more than an annoyance.
  13. @snorlax
    Give me an effin break, any Jew would be terrified of visiting Germany so soon after 1945, and for good reason.

    The half-Jewish Jack obviously was not terrified of visiting; his half-Jewish twin actually lived there, full time. The question remains: which Germany are we talking about? Should not Sam Zell’s reporter be able to tell us? Instead, we are told that Oskar was a former Nazi– despite his being all of twelve years old when the Third Reich ended, over seventy years ago, by now! At any rate, the notion that visiting Jews– including half-Jewish redheads– were being persecuted by the ethnic Germans, in either country, in 1954, is laughable. (I mistakenly wrote “1949” in my original comment.)

    • Replies: @Jack D
    The article doesn't say that the Jewish twin was afraid to visit, just that the German twin didn't want his neighbors to know that he had Jewish visitors.

    The headline doesn't say that the German brother WAS a Nazi, just that he was RAISED as a Nazi, which appears to be true - just like almost every other German child of the time, he had been a member of the Hitler Youth, etc.

    The article doesn't mention which Germany. Chances are it was West Germany but it seems like that is an irrelevant detail.
  14. @sabril
    The article says that the man on the right (the chubbier one) is the one raised in Germany, apparently he died of lung cancer in 1997. The article also says that he worked in mines for many years.

    Too bad that the article did not give more attention to this discrepancy, since the difference between dying at 82 and dying at 65 is pretty substantial and is a good data point for the big impact environment can have on your health.

    As far as the similarities go, it's not completely straightforward to know what to make of them since there may have been many mismatched quirks which are not mentioned in the article. That said, if you have children, it's pretty easy to come to believe that genetics has a tremendous influence on behavior.

    Health tip: don’t work in mines.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    One of my great-grandfathers was killed, at age 31, along with one of his older brothers, when the roof of their coal mine, in Illinois, collapsed on top of them, 120 years ago. My grandmother was only two years old, at the time. (She died, still shy of 30, when my father also was only two years old.) White privilege only took a man (or woman) so far, back in the day....
    , @Anonymous

    Health tip: don’t work in mines.
     
    Health tip from hedge fund manager Bill Ackman: don't drink Coke.

    NY Post (11/11/15): Oreo investor Ackman slams ‘society damaging’ Coca Cola

    "“Coca-Cola has probably done more to create obesity and diabetes on a global basis than any other company in the world,” Ackman said.

    Btw, Ackman's 1988 senior thesis at Harvard was "Scaling the Ivy Wall: the Jewish and Asian American Experience in Harvard Admissions". (Source: Wikipedia)
  15. @D. K.
    There was no country called simply "Germany" in 1954; there were two countries, East Germany and West Germany, both of which had been constituted as (ostensibly) sovereign states, in 1949, with the former being a Soviet satellite, while the latter was a bastion of the "Free World." So, in which country did the former "Nazi" actually live? Are we really to believe that people, in either country, in 1949, were publicly persecuting Jews, or just people who passed through with Israeli tags on their luggage? Did someone also ruin Jack's visit to his ancestral home, by any chance, by defacing the wall of his guest room with feces, in the shape of a swastika? Too bad that Germans were so inept at making cameras, back in the day....

    Actually West Germans – when asked – simply said they were from Germany (Deutschland). The West German Ground Law (constitution – it wasn’t called a constitution because it was thought to be replaced later after reunification with a proper constitution) I think explicitly talked about reunification etc., according to the West Germans the whole setup was to be temporary (as it proved to be, by 1990), so obviously they went to West Germany, the freer of the two. (East Germans, on the other hand, insisted that they came from the German Democratic Republic, the first state of the workers and peasants on German land, and that no such thing as “Germany” existed for the time being.)

    Here’s a picture of Germans (presumably, Nazis) saluting Otto Ohlendorf at his funeral in 1951. (He was executed for war crimes.) Such a scene of mass-Hitler salutes would be inconceivable in the Germany of today. (And even if something like that did happen, the secret police would be all over this.) In the 1950s, still a lot of people were more or less openly Nazis.

    I guess the German twin didn’t fear his brother (or even himself) being “persecuted”, only that people (or at least, many people) would start looking funny at him for years to come. It’s not unlikely that he was needlessly worried, but this part of the story is easy to believe.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I count maybe 50 people saluting there. A Mafia don would have gotten a bigger turnout at his funeral in the US. The fact that there were still 50 hard core Nazis left out of a population of millions (all of whom were probably under police surveillance) doesn't impress me. Obviously the millions of people who had been Nazis in Germany didn't disappear or change their personal opinions overnight but expressions of Nazi sentiment were a crime and most former Nazis were careful to keep their opinions to themselves or only express them at gatherings where they knew everyone was like minded (but even there you couldn't legally bring out the old flags, etc.) You're right that you wouldn't get as many today because the people in the photo have mostly died of old age.
  16. @Steve Sailer
    Health tip: don't work in mines.

    One of my great-grandfathers was killed, at age 31, along with one of his older brothers, when the roof of their coal mine, in Illinois, collapsed on top of them, 120 years ago. My grandmother was only two years old, at the time. (She died, still shy of 30, when my father also was only two years old.) White privilege only took a man (or woman) so far, back in the day….

  17. Speaking of Jews, Steve Sailer looks Ashkenazi in a 1978 Jew Fro selfie pic that he posted awhile back. Now in 2015 he looks like a grey haired version of the Irish comedian Tom Shillue from Red Eye.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    That's interesting. When I was young I looked somewhat Irish in a handsome-young-dog sort of a way. Now I'm decrepit I look quite Jewish. It seems that I am Steve's anti-matter.
    , @BubbaJoe
    Nah, I've tried to pin down what ethnicity Steve most closely resembles. The best I can come up with (heavily influenced by his writings) is "Generic White American" or "Californian White Guy". He doesn't look noticeably Irish (either one).
  18. @snorlax
    Give me an effin break, any Jew would be terrified of visiting Germany so soon after 1945, and for good reason.

    My parents (and thousands of other Jewish refugees) lived in Germany as refugees from the end of the war until 1951. They weren’t terrified – the Allies were running things and it was former Nazis who were terrified.

    The article didn’t say that either brother was “terrified” , just that the German twin was ashamed of his Jewish brother and didn’t want his neighbors to find out. Persecution doesn’t have to involve painting swastikas , it could mean that the German twin might have become a social untouchable – some of the locals might not have wanted him to date their daughters or be friendly with their sons, etc.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Persecution doesn’t have to involve painting swastikas

    Painting or pooping?
  19. @reiner Tor
    Actually West Germans - when asked - simply said they were from Germany (Deutschland). The West German Ground Law (constitution - it wasn't called a constitution because it was thought to be replaced later after reunification with a proper constitution) I think explicitly talked about reunification etc., according to the West Germans the whole setup was to be temporary (as it proved to be, by 1990), so obviously they went to West Germany, the freer of the two. (East Germans, on the other hand, insisted that they came from the German Democratic Republic, the first state of the workers and peasants on German land, and that no such thing as "Germany" existed for the time being.)

    Here's a picture of Germans (presumably, Nazis) saluting Otto Ohlendorf at his funeral in 1951. (He was executed for war crimes.) Such a scene of mass-Hitler salutes would be inconceivable in the Germany of today. (And even if something like that did happen, the secret police would be all over this.) In the 1950s, still a lot of people were more or less openly Nazis.

    I guess the German twin didn't fear his brother (or even himself) being "persecuted", only that people (or at least, many people) would start looking funny at him for years to come. It's not unlikely that he was needlessly worried, but this part of the story is easy to believe.

    I count maybe 50 people saluting there. A Mafia don would have gotten a bigger turnout at his funeral in the US. The fact that there were still 50 hard core Nazis left out of a population of millions (all of whom were probably under police surveillance) doesn’t impress me. Obviously the millions of people who had been Nazis in Germany didn’t disappear or change their personal opinions overnight but expressions of Nazi sentiment were a crime and most former Nazis were careful to keep their opinions to themselves or only express them at gatherings where they knew everyone was like minded (but even there you couldn’t legally bring out the old flags, etc.) You’re right that you wouldn’t get as many today because the people in the photo have mostly died of old age.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    My point was that it was still possible to openly express Nazi sentiment in West Germany at the time.

    I also mentioned that probably the fear of the German twin brother was probably unreasonable. I doubt even hardcore Nazis would have done anything wrong to either of them once finding out they (or one of them) were Jewish.
  20. Maybe this is just quantum sartorial entanglement.

    Seriously, this is a great example of hard it it is for a lot of people to grasp how things can be both nature and nurture. In any generation there are a finite number of styles from which people dress. In 1974, these men would have had chosen from styles for middle-aged bald white guys so the chances for picking the same clothes were good even before whatever biological factors reinforced those environmental factors.

    That said, I would also point out that the set of human types is finite. I can think of three people right now who look similar to the men in the picture. That is, middle-aged, balding, funny little mustache, fondness for 70’s style pullover shirts. If you find yourself morphing into these guys in your 20’s (starting to look like Dad or his best friend) , the millions of environmental clues nudging you into the men’s department at JC Penny for that shirt kick in without you noticing.

  21. @Chrisnonymous
    I'm guessing Oskar is the one on the left and Jack the one on the right. Jack is less clean-cut and slightly pudgier than his German-raised sibling...
    Anyone have a guess?

    LAT caption says the opposite.

  22. @D. K.
    The half-Jewish Jack obviously was not terrified of visiting; his half-Jewish twin actually lived there, full time. The question remains: which Germany are we talking about? Should not Sam Zell's reporter be able to tell us? Instead, we are told that Oskar was a former Nazi-- despite his being all of twelve years old when the Third Reich ended, over seventy years ago, by now! At any rate, the notion that visiting Jews-- including half-Jewish redheads-- were being persecuted by the ethnic Germans, in either country, in 1954, is laughable. (I mistakenly wrote "1949" in my original comment.)

    The article doesn’t say that the Jewish twin was afraid to visit, just that the German twin didn’t want his neighbors to know that he had Jewish visitors.

    The headline doesn’t say that the German brother WAS a Nazi, just that he was RAISED as a Nazi, which appears to be true – just like almost every other German child of the time, he had been a member of the Hitler Youth, etc.

    The article doesn’t mention which Germany. Chances are it was West Germany but it seems like that is an irrelevant detail.

    • Replies: @SFG
    'Nazi or Jew' is a lot sexier a headline than 'German or Jew' or 'Guy Who Lived in Germany And Had To Join the Hitler Youth Like Everyone Else His Age or Jew', you have to admit.
  23. Nazi Germany and Zioashkenazi Israel,

    enormous cultural difference!!!!!!!

  24. Nancy Segal features in the documentary Twinsters, about a couple of Korean identical twins who discovered each other thanks to a friend of one’s having run across the other on YouTube.

    One twin was raised in France, the other in New Jersey, but unsurprisingly they’re pretty similar. The French one is appreciably taller.

    It’s on Netflix: a bit slow thanks to the not-very-interesting twins at its core, but nicely done and engaging in its way.

  25. They both read books from back to front
    How can you read a book back to front. A lot of people read newspapers and magazines like that but a book?

  26. @Jack D
    My parents (and thousands of other Jewish refugees) lived in Germany as refugees from the end of the war until 1951. They weren't terrified - the Allies were running things and it was former Nazis who were terrified.

    The article didn't say that either brother was "terrified" , just that the German twin was ashamed of his Jewish brother and didn't want his neighbors to find out. Persecution doesn't have to involve painting swastikas , it could mean that the German twin might have become a social untouchable - some of the locals might not have wanted him to date their daughters or be friendly with their sons, etc.

    Persecution doesn’t have to involve painting swastikas

    Painting or pooping?

  27. @Jack D
    I count maybe 50 people saluting there. A Mafia don would have gotten a bigger turnout at his funeral in the US. The fact that there were still 50 hard core Nazis left out of a population of millions (all of whom were probably under police surveillance) doesn't impress me. Obviously the millions of people who had been Nazis in Germany didn't disappear or change their personal opinions overnight but expressions of Nazi sentiment were a crime and most former Nazis were careful to keep their opinions to themselves or only express them at gatherings where they knew everyone was like minded (but even there you couldn't legally bring out the old flags, etc.) You're right that you wouldn't get as many today because the people in the photo have mostly died of old age.

    My point was that it was still possible to openly express Nazi sentiment in West Germany at the time.

    I also mentioned that probably the fear of the German twin brother was probably unreasonable. I doubt even hardcore Nazis would have done anything wrong to either of them once finding out they (or one of them) were Jewish.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Possible? Yes, but just barely. As I said before, about as possible, maybe less, than it was to publicly profess Mafia sympathy in the US. The fact that their comrade has just been executed as a war criminal doesn't speak well for their position in German society at that time.

    Also as I said before, the German brother was probably concerned about social stigma rather than fear of violence (and the Jewish brother was not concerned at all). If you had been an octoroon "passing" as white in the northern US at that time, you wouldn't have wanted your darker skinned relatives to visit. If your neighbors saw you with them, they wouldn't have burned a cross on your lawn but they might not let you go out with their daughters either.
  28. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Health tip: don't work in mines.

    Health tip: don’t work in mines.

    Health tip from hedge fund manager Bill Ackman: don’t drink Coke.

    NY Post (11/11/15): Oreo investor Ackman slams ‘society damaging’ Coca Cola

    ““Coca-Cola has probably done more to create obesity and diabetes on a global basis than any other company in the world,” Ackman said.

    Btw, Ackman’s 1988 senior thesis at Harvard was “Scaling the Ivy Wall: the Jewish and Asian American Experience in Harvard Admissions”. (Source: Wikipedia)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Proof that we've hit Peak Social Justice, if even Wall St. has caught on to it...
  29. @reiner Tor
    My point was that it was still possible to openly express Nazi sentiment in West Germany at the time.

    I also mentioned that probably the fear of the German twin brother was probably unreasonable. I doubt even hardcore Nazis would have done anything wrong to either of them once finding out they (or one of them) were Jewish.

    Possible? Yes, but just barely. As I said before, about as possible, maybe less, than it was to publicly profess Mafia sympathy in the US. The fact that their comrade has just been executed as a war criminal doesn’t speak well for their position in German society at that time.

    Also as I said before, the German brother was probably concerned about social stigma rather than fear of violence (and the Jewish brother was not concerned at all). If you had been an octoroon “passing” as white in the northern US at that time, you wouldn’t have wanted your darker skinned relatives to visit. If your neighbors saw you with them, they wouldn’t have burned a cross on your lawn but they might not let you go out with their daughters either.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "If you had been an octoroon “passing” as white in the northern US at that time, you wouldn’t have wanted your darker skinned relatives to visit. If your neighbors saw you with them, they wouldn’t have burned a cross on your lawn but they might not let you go out with their daughters either."

    What if it was an Octoroon woman passing as White but had their darker skin relatives visiting her, would the neighbors have let her go out with their sons?
    , @reiner Tor
    There was a small party (the Sozialistische Reichspartei, later the Deutsche Reichspartei) which was essentially a neo-Nazi party in the most literal sense of the word.

    But again, we're not talking about openly expressing Nazi views (which only involved a small part of the German population, less than 10%, though I think at the time something like 50% of Germans held opinions like "National Socialism was a good idea, but it was poorly implemented"), merely about giving funny looks to someone who's Jewish or has Jewish visitors. Actually, not even that, we're talking about fear of receiving funny looks. Now that might be paranoid a little bit, but I think that kind of slight paranoia is typical of a certain ethnic group. I mean, we might be talking about genetics, right?

    So:

    1) a portion of Germans still openly expressed Nazi or Nazi-friendly views
    2) hence, fear of receiving funny looks from neighbors for having Jewish visitors (or being Jewish - remember, it was an identical twin visitor, so his neighbors might also get the idea that if the brother was Jewish, so was he) was just slightly paranoid
    3) the German twin probably never feared persecution, only funny looks from neighbors, which wasn't totally unreasonable, only slightly over the top

    Apparently you agree with me on points 2) and 3), and regarding point 1) the disagreement seems to be about how large that portion was or something. For all practical purposes, we're in agreement.
  30. @Intelligent Dasein
    Does anyone really believe that there is a gene or group of genes that encodes for mustache grooming preferences and white sports jackets? If not, then this is much more easily explained as a convergence of personal styles based upon each man trying to look his best in a particular social setting. You may have noticed that a sizable proportion of people in any age tend to dress similarly in similar circumstances. Had this not been the case we would have no notion of "style" at all, and there would only be a collage of individual idiosyncracies stretched out across time.

    But just look at any photograph of a crowd in the 1950s and witness the multitudes of men in their shirt sleeves and thin black ties, all looking very much identical. Or go back another generation and witness the ubiquitous top hats and bowlers. What are bell bottoms and tie-dye to a hippy, or tweed jackets to a Welshman? Everybody strives to look like the archetypical member of the group they wish to represent themselves as belonging to. Thus we can tell a person's geographical origin and social role by his dress, and a period piece by the costume of the players.

    It is almost impossible not to exaggerate the similarities in a twin study, but I would venture a guess that the differences are much more profound and telling.

    I watched my week old newborn baby go to sleep with his hands in little fists turned to cover his ear in the same ridiculous position his father sleeps in.

    No way that was environment. If we are encoding for the tiniest of mannerisms like that, of course we are encoded for grooming preferences.

  31. @Pat Casey
    Yesterday I linked to good old Derbyshire's essay of a couple years ago where he did a maven's rundown of the cutting edge philosophy of mind according to science. The psych text I wish I hadn't sold back had stranger-to-each-other twins who incredibly had built the exact same very singular wooden bench around the trunk of the tree in their front yards. I simply cannot fathom anything less radical than calling that a function of an illusion because it's nifty, according to Derb according to Dennett, see for yourself that's materialism these days, because if its already nifty why call it consciousness?

    Has anyone ever heard twins raised together say, no there's no sense of anything invisible between us, no shared intuition, no emotional connection? Cause that would be no for me, and I'm thinking its four or five who have said they do. But never one who just shrugged. Then there's that rumor that there are those who know, aegis Uncle Same, that maxwell's equations are a mite off, or maybe more... But then that does not mean there is no correct equation!

    Pat:
    I appreciate the mention, but next time add a link. I need the clicks.

    • Replies: @Pat Casey
    I shall give myself a scorching shamrock for that one, sorry John.


    This is when I met the great limey name John Derbyshire, back both when print was on our mind, and its still my favorite:

    http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Reviews/Considerations/bravenewworld.html

    Later I came across this one and just remember thinking well we could really get drunk together:

    http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Reviews/Considerations/longfellow.html

    And this is the one I owe, to which I add there is also a machine in the ghost, he simply can stretch.

    http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/HumanSciences/ghostinmachine.html

    And there is no reason to forget that literature must have men who know the sciences constantly commenting--especially when they can outdo the crowd that can't even book report--because that quill is where metaphors are held, in the hard real world, the kind of quill that Ezra Pound slung.

  32. @John Derbyshire
    Pat:
    I appreciate the mention, but next time add a link. I need the clicks.

    I shall give myself a scorching shamrock for that one, sorry John.

    This is when I met the great limey name John Derbyshire, back both when print was on our mind, and its still my favorite:

    http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Reviews/Considerations/bravenewworld.html

    Later I came across this one and just remember thinking well we could really get drunk together:

    http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Reviews/Considerations/longfellow.html

    And this is the one I owe, to which I add there is also a machine in the ghost, he simply can stretch.

    http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/HumanSciences/ghostinmachine.html

    And there is no reason to forget that literature must have men who know the sciences constantly commenting–especially when they can outdo the crowd that can’t even book report–because that quill is where metaphors are held, in the hard real world, the kind of quill that Ezra Pound slung.

  33. @Intelligent Dasein
    Does anyone really believe that there is a gene or group of genes that encodes for mustache grooming preferences and white sports jackets? If not, then this is much more easily explained as a convergence of personal styles based upon each man trying to look his best in a particular social setting. You may have noticed that a sizable proportion of people in any age tend to dress similarly in similar circumstances. Had this not been the case we would have no notion of "style" at all, and there would only be a collage of individual idiosyncracies stretched out across time.

    But just look at any photograph of a crowd in the 1950s and witness the multitudes of men in their shirt sleeves and thin black ties, all looking very much identical. Or go back another generation and witness the ubiquitous top hats and bowlers. What are bell bottoms and tie-dye to a hippy, or tweed jackets to a Welshman? Everybody strives to look like the archetypical member of the group they wish to represent themselves as belonging to. Thus we can tell a person's geographical origin and social role by his dress, and a period piece by the costume of the players.

    It is almost impossible not to exaggerate the similarities in a twin study, but I would venture a guess that the differences are much more profound and telling.

    But these were two guys from very different cultures so the chances of them dressing identically were much less than if they were both from the same place. Israelis in particular at that time didn’t favor sport coats – not really suited to the climate and not in keeping with the labor-socialist ethos of the early days. The classic Israeli outfit of that era was an open collared shirt. Here is Israeli prime minister Ben Gurion (with Scottish socialist Ritchie Calder) in 1954:

    Nowadays, everyone dress more informally but in 1954 it would have been very unusual for a Western leader to dress that way – Nixon used to wear a suit and tie to walk on the beach.

    Narrow black ties are ’60s, not ’50s. The ’50s were the era of wide ties and baggy suits. Skinny black ties were cutting edge in the late ’50s (popularized by rock & roll musicians such as Elvis and later the Beatles) and didn’t become mainstream fashion until the ’60s.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Not quite accurate. In the US, the skinny black ties were mainstream ca. 1957-1967 and they were finally phased out by such salesmen as Ralph Lauren and his famously wide ties (with various colors/designs), though you could still see the skinny ties worn by popular culture persons in first half of '68 as well.

    You may be thinking of Buddy Holly and not Elvis as one who popularized the skinny black tie. In point of fact Elvis didn't wear many ties during his first incarnation (late '50's). He preferred a tieless look along with (sometimes) jeans (after his heroes James Dean and Marlon Brando) as well as a more flamboyant look with bright colors, etc. It wasn't until his return from the army in 1960 that he toned down his public look and dressed more in line with society as a whole (e.g. skinny black ties, more subtle clothing, etc.). But this makes total sense as part of Elvis's popularity was his public image of non-conformity, rebel, etc. so of course in his early period he wouldn't have dressed very often in line with the establishment. And of course in his late period (1969-77) he returned to his flamboyant roots with wild crazy jumpsuits, off the wall buckles, loud bright colors, etc.

    JFK, for example, wore the skinny ties in the late '50's (his "book" Profiles in Courage has a picture of him on the back wearing a skinny tie and the book was released in 1957) as did most of the younger generation so its not quite accurate to state that skinny ties weren't mainstream in the '50s because they were.

    Another example: TV show with massive ratings Perry Mason (1957-66) and Raymond Burr wore the skinny black tie from the first season onward, as did most of the male cast members and show's guests.

  34. @iSteveFan

    “As a white, red-headed boy in a predominantly black and Indian culture, he stood out a lot and was beat up a lot,” said his son, Kenneth. “He was constantly having to prove himself.” Luckily, he was highly competitive and and excelled athletically.
     
    Did the Trinidadians allow him to join their country clubs?

    Oddly enough, in the BBC documentary on him, Jack himself speaks (starting at around 4:00) about Trinidad in glowing terms:

    Modern status is all about claiming victimhood so his son wants to increase his late father’s status by increasing the # of victim Pokemon points in his column. Mentioning his aunt the Dachau survivor does the same.

    BTW, in their later years the brothers look less alike – the (now American) Jack looks younger than his German brother (who you can see starting at around 4:40). I think this film was made shortly before Oskar’s death. A lot of this is hair and clothing – in a later scene they are both wearing identical Trinidad T-shirts and hats and are hard to tell apart.

    You can see the famous sport coats in the documentary also. Most of the time Jack is not wearing a tie but Oskar is.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I know a Belizean whose grandfathers were an Austrian (Catholic) military officer and a Jewish merchant. He said it was hard growing up as a white kid there, but he still loves the place and is accepted there now. He speaks with what we could consider a "rasta" accent. Very intelligent and a great cook, too. My takeaway from this is that kids can be assholes to people different from themselves, but they grown out of it. Unfortunately, the kids affected often don't. The ones who do seem the most psychologically healthy, and should be studied/emulated. Taking the long view is much better than the converse.
  35. @LondonBob
    I haven't and don't wish to.

    The reason why so called gay 'marriage' should have been blocked is that we wouldn't be bombarded with 'trans' issues now. What comes after that though?

    You were right not to look. The pictures make you just feel sorry for the poor bastard, it’s like seeing someone on the street who has been mangled in an accident or war. That instinctive feeling of pity is bad because it dissipates the anger we should all be feeling about the dismantling of our civilization, and disarms us emotionally.
    I may feel especially affected because I am the same age as Bruce and shudder to think what I would look like if I contracted the same malady and my loved ones enabled it instead of getting me the help I needed.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    "if I contracted the same malady and my loved ones enabled it instead of getting me the help I needed"

    Which brings us back to the topic of this post: Is it an illness that can be cured or a genetic flaw?
  36. NOT Jewish. Their mother was a Catholic.

  37. @Intelligent Dasein
    Does anyone really believe that there is a gene or group of genes that encodes for mustache grooming preferences and white sports jackets? If not, then this is much more easily explained as a convergence of personal styles based upon each man trying to look his best in a particular social setting. You may have noticed that a sizable proportion of people in any age tend to dress similarly in similar circumstances. Had this not been the case we would have no notion of "style" at all, and there would only be a collage of individual idiosyncracies stretched out across time.

    But just look at any photograph of a crowd in the 1950s and witness the multitudes of men in their shirt sleeves and thin black ties, all looking very much identical. Or go back another generation and witness the ubiquitous top hats and bowlers. What are bell bottoms and tie-dye to a hippy, or tweed jackets to a Welshman? Everybody strives to look like the archetypical member of the group they wish to represent themselves as belonging to. Thus we can tell a person's geographical origin and social role by his dress, and a period piece by the costume of the players.

    It is almost impossible not to exaggerate the similarities in a twin study, but I would venture a guess that the differences are much more profound and telling.

    I am an identical twin and agree somewhat with your observations. I sport the same short cropped haircut as my twin brother. This is, however, not due to us trying to look like archetypical members of the group we wish to represent ourselves as belonging to. Rather we have the same face and cranial structure and are in aesthetic agreemen of what haircut makes our faces look the best.

    Consequently we havent changed hairstyles for the last twentyfive years.

    Same with clothes -> Identical bodies + identical aesthetic sensibilities = identical clothing styles.

  38. @Intelligent Dasein
    Does anyone really believe that there is a gene or group of genes that encodes for mustache grooming preferences and white sports jackets? If not, then this is much more easily explained as a convergence of personal styles based upon each man trying to look his best in a particular social setting. You may have noticed that a sizable proportion of people in any age tend to dress similarly in similar circumstances. Had this not been the case we would have no notion of "style" at all, and there would only be a collage of individual idiosyncracies stretched out across time.

    But just look at any photograph of a crowd in the 1950s and witness the multitudes of men in their shirt sleeves and thin black ties, all looking very much identical. Or go back another generation and witness the ubiquitous top hats and bowlers. What are bell bottoms and tie-dye to a hippy, or tweed jackets to a Welshman? Everybody strives to look like the archetypical member of the group they wish to represent themselves as belonging to. Thus we can tell a person's geographical origin and social role by his dress, and a period piece by the costume of the players.

    It is almost impossible not to exaggerate the similarities in a twin study, but I would venture a guess that the differences are much more profound and telling.

    Does anyone really believe that there is a gene or group of genes that encodes for mustache grooming preferences and white sports jackets?

    All Human Behavioral Traits are Heritable

    It is almost impossible not to exaggerate the similarities in a twin study, but I would venture a guess that the differences are much more profound and telling.

    Identical twins are different, but the differences are increasingly seeming to be pretty hollow.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Robotically repeating formulas doesn't constitute any sort of argument or thought for that matter.

    If you can't parse what Intelligent Dasein is saying and understand that his point is about contingency, not about whether or not all behavioral traits are heritable, which he'd probably concede, you're not very intelligent and should take some remedial logic courses. You've stumbled onto some formulas, adopted them as your religion, and now you just mindlessly repeat them like a religious fanatic.
  39. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @JayMan

    Does anyone really believe that there is a gene or group of genes that encodes for mustache grooming preferences and white sports jackets?
     
    All Human Behavioral Traits are Heritable

    It is almost impossible not to exaggerate the similarities in a twin study, but I would venture a guess that the differences are much more profound and telling.
     
    Identical twins are different, but the differences are increasingly seeming to be pretty hollow.

    Robotically repeating formulas doesn’t constitute any sort of argument or thought for that matter.

    If you can’t parse what Intelligent Dasein is saying and understand that his point is about contingency, not about whether or not all behavioral traits are heritable, which he’d probably concede, you’re not very intelligent and should take some remedial logic courses. You’ve stumbled onto some formulas, adopted them as your religion, and now you just mindlessly repeat them like a religious fanatic.

    • Replies: @JayMan
    What would the internet be like without idiotic anonymous commenters?
    , @ben tillman

    If you can’t parse what Intelligent Dasein is saying and understand that his point is about contingency....
     
    Sorry, Dasein's first sentence was too facetious for you to come down on Jayman so harshly.
    , @Stephen R. Diamond
    The interesting question is whether they converged ideologically. To the extent the story provides clues, it seems not.

    It's not counter-intuitive to me that aesthetic tastes are inherited. After all, it's not clear where they would come from otherwise. But (if I'm not mistaken) hbders have maintained that political beliefs have zero shared environment variance. That's truly astounding. Here we have an excellent test case.
  40. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:

    In the embedded Youtube video, Jack said that growing up in Trinidad was great.

    http://www.latimes.com/local/obituaries/la-me-jack-yufe-20151111-story.html

    Racial microagressions aside, he had a great childhood.

  41. “Jack and Oskar Yufe (or maybe vice-versa)”

    I’m guessing vice versa. I believe Oskar the Nazi is the one on the left with the precisely trimmed mustache, the military style shirt with epaulets, and a pocket protector with the necessary writing tools to fill out all forms in triplicate. I’m guessing Jack is the one on the right, with the mutton chop sideburns, the photo-grey Steve McQueen glasses, and the skin tight sport shirt, so perfect for trolling the 1970’s Tel Aviv nightclub scene.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The caption says it's Jack on the reader's left.
  42. @Jack D
    But these were two guys from very different cultures so the chances of them dressing identically were much less than if they were both from the same place. Israelis in particular at that time didn't favor sport coats - not really suited to the climate and not in keeping with the labor-socialist ethos of the early days. The classic Israeli outfit of that era was an open collared shirt. Here is Israeli prime minister Ben Gurion (with Scottish socialist Ritchie Calder) in 1954:

    http://www.midnighteast.com/mag/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/david-ben-gurion-1954-r-kalder-sde-boker-press-prime-ministers-office.jpg

    Nowadays, everyone dress more informally but in 1954 it would have been very unusual for a Western leader to dress that way - Nixon used to wear a suit and tie to walk on the beach.

    Narrow black ties are '60s, not '50s. The '50s were the era of wide ties and baggy suits. Skinny black ties were cutting edge in the late '50s (popularized by rock & roll musicians such as Elvis and later the Beatles) and didn't become mainstream fashion until the '60s.

    Not quite accurate. In the US, the skinny black ties were mainstream ca. 1957-1967 and they were finally phased out by such salesmen as Ralph Lauren and his famously wide ties (with various colors/designs), though you could still see the skinny ties worn by popular culture persons in first half of ’68 as well.

    You may be thinking of Buddy Holly and not Elvis as one who popularized the skinny black tie. In point of fact Elvis didn’t wear many ties during his first incarnation (late ’50’s). He preferred a tieless look along with (sometimes) jeans (after his heroes James Dean and Marlon Brando) as well as a more flamboyant look with bright colors, etc. It wasn’t until his return from the army in 1960 that he toned down his public look and dressed more in line with society as a whole (e.g. skinny black ties, more subtle clothing, etc.). But this makes total sense as part of Elvis’s popularity was his public image of non-conformity, rebel, etc. so of course in his early period he wouldn’t have dressed very often in line with the establishment. And of course in his late period (1969-77) he returned to his flamboyant roots with wild crazy jumpsuits, off the wall buckles, loud bright colors, etc.

    JFK, for example, wore the skinny ties in the late ’50’s (his “book” Profiles in Courage has a picture of him on the back wearing a skinny tie and the book was released in 1957) as did most of the younger generation so its not quite accurate to state that skinny ties weren’t mainstream in the ’50s because they were.

    Another example: TV show with massive ratings Perry Mason (1957-66) and Raymond Burr wore the skinny black tie from the first season onward, as did most of the male cast members and show’s guests.

  43. @Alfa158
    You were right not to look. The pictures make you just feel sorry for the poor bastard, it's like seeing someone on the street who has been mangled in an accident or war. That instinctive feeling of pity is bad because it dissipates the anger we should all be feeling about the dismantling of our civilization, and disarms us emotionally.
    I may feel especially affected because I am the same age as Bruce and shudder to think what I would look like if I contracted the same malady and my loved ones enabled it instead of getting me the help I needed.

    “if I contracted the same malady and my loved ones enabled it instead of getting me the help I needed”

    Which brings us back to the topic of this post: Is it an illness that can be cured or a genetic flaw?

  44. @Pat Casey
    Yesterday I linked to good old Derbyshire's essay of a couple years ago where he did a maven's rundown of the cutting edge philosophy of mind according to science. The psych text I wish I hadn't sold back had stranger-to-each-other twins who incredibly had built the exact same very singular wooden bench around the trunk of the tree in their front yards. I simply cannot fathom anything less radical than calling that a function of an illusion because it's nifty, according to Derb according to Dennett, see for yourself that's materialism these days, because if its already nifty why call it consciousness?

    Has anyone ever heard twins raised together say, no there's no sense of anything invisible between us, no shared intuition, no emotional connection? Cause that would be no for me, and I'm thinking its four or five who have said they do. But never one who just shrugged. Then there's that rumor that there are those who know, aegis Uncle Same, that maxwell's equations are a mite off, or maybe more... But then that does not mean there is no correct equation!

    When Steve did a report on former NBA player Jason Collins coming out a few yrs ago, he quoted Jason’s twin brother (Jarred? or Jeremy?) who more or less stated that ‘this is a total surprise to me, and we’ve been so close all these years. He really must’ve been hiding it from me the entire time.’ Now whether or not Collins’ twin brother was lying or being serious is perhaps a point of debate, but the fact remains: Collins’ twin brother has publicly stated that he never saw that coming, when he was asked if he knew all along that his twin brother was gay.

  45. • Replies: @Justpassingby

    The Smoking Gun (11/12/15):
    Cops: Twin Brothers Were Caught Stealing Identical Items From Walmart In South Carolina
     
    Are twin brothers ever caught stealing non-identical items?
  46. @LondonBob
    I haven't and don't wish to.

    The reason why so called gay 'marriage' should have been blocked is that we wouldn't be bombarded with 'trans' issues now. What comes after that though?

    Transfat is evil but transgender is wonderful. Have I got that right?

  47. @Jefferson
    Speaking of Jews, Steve Sailer looks Ashkenazi in a 1978 Jew Fro selfie pic that he posted awhile back. Now in 2015 he looks like a grey haired version of the Irish comedian Tom Shillue from Red Eye.

    That’s interesting. When I was young I looked somewhat Irish in a handsome-young-dog sort of a way. Now I’m decrepit I look quite Jewish. It seems that I am Steve’s anti-matter.

  48. It get’s even more interesting.

    “Twin brothers are facing theft charges after they stole identical items yesterday from a Walmart in South Carolina, cops allege.”

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/shoplifting/identical-twins-caught-stealing-identical-items-879021

  49. @Intelligent Dasein
    Does anyone really believe that there is a gene or group of genes that encodes for mustache grooming preferences and white sports jackets? If not, then this is much more easily explained as a convergence of personal styles based upon each man trying to look his best in a particular social setting. You may have noticed that a sizable proportion of people in any age tend to dress similarly in similar circumstances. Had this not been the case we would have no notion of "style" at all, and there would only be a collage of individual idiosyncracies stretched out across time.

    But just look at any photograph of a crowd in the 1950s and witness the multitudes of men in their shirt sleeves and thin black ties, all looking very much identical. Or go back another generation and witness the ubiquitous top hats and bowlers. What are bell bottoms and tie-dye to a hippy, or tweed jackets to a Welshman? Everybody strives to look like the archetypical member of the group they wish to represent themselves as belonging to. Thus we can tell a person's geographical origin and social role by his dress, and a period piece by the costume of the players.

    It is almost impossible not to exaggerate the similarities in a twin study, but I would venture a guess that the differences are much more profound and telling.

    Style is largely a function of personality, and personality certainly is heritable.

    I have older siblings who are identical twins, and could rattle off a couple hundred such stories about them. One Christmas they both bought my mother the same set of earrings–purchased at Macy’s independently in two different cities. One day they showed up with socks mismatched in the same way: solid white on the left foot, white with a green stripe on the right.

    If you’ve got twins in your family, you’re pretty keyed up to notice episodes like these, so the standard caveats about confirmation bias apply.

  50. @Jack D
    Possible? Yes, but just barely. As I said before, about as possible, maybe less, than it was to publicly profess Mafia sympathy in the US. The fact that their comrade has just been executed as a war criminal doesn't speak well for their position in German society at that time.

    Also as I said before, the German brother was probably concerned about social stigma rather than fear of violence (and the Jewish brother was not concerned at all). If you had been an octoroon "passing" as white in the northern US at that time, you wouldn't have wanted your darker skinned relatives to visit. If your neighbors saw you with them, they wouldn't have burned a cross on your lawn but they might not let you go out with their daughters either.

    “If you had been an octoroon “passing” as white in the northern US at that time, you wouldn’t have wanted your darker skinned relatives to visit. If your neighbors saw you with them, they wouldn’t have burned a cross on your lawn but they might not let you go out with their daughters either.”

    What if it was an Octoroon woman passing as White but had their darker skin relatives visiting her, would the neighbors have let her go out with their sons?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Depends on situational details left out of your vague tu-quoque hypothetical, but: probably, yeah. Social mobility is usually pursued in only one direction.
  51. @Chrisnonymous
    I'm guessing Oskar is the one on the left and Jack the one on the right. Jack is less clean-cut and slightly pudgier than his German-raised sibling...
    Anyone have a guess?

    I guessed the opposite. Jack was an athlete in Trinidad and a member of the Israeli navy so I figured he was the thinner one.

  52. @jimB
    "Jack and Oskar Yufe (or maybe vice-versa)"

    I'm guessing vice versa. I believe Oskar the Nazi is the one on the left with the precisely trimmed mustache, the military style shirt with epaulets, and a pocket protector with the necessary writing tools to fill out all forms in triplicate. I'm guessing Jack is the one on the right, with the mutton chop sideburns, the photo-grey Steve McQueen glasses, and the skin tight sport shirt, so perfect for trolling the 1970's Tel Aviv nightclub scene.

    The caption says it’s Jack on the reader’s left.

  53. @Anonymous
    Robotically repeating formulas doesn't constitute any sort of argument or thought for that matter.

    If you can't parse what Intelligent Dasein is saying and understand that his point is about contingency, not about whether or not all behavioral traits are heritable, which he'd probably concede, you're not very intelligent and should take some remedial logic courses. You've stumbled onto some formulas, adopted them as your religion, and now you just mindlessly repeat them like a religious fanatic.

    What would the internet be like without idiotic anonymous commenters?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Another proof of heritability is the "All-I've-Got-Is-a-Hammer" e-Syndrome, discovered by I.P. Frehley in 2003. It's particularly evident among those who "choose" the blogging arts
    , @penntothal
    Where do shallow insults come from?
    , @penntothal
    Where does lack of equanimity come from?
    , @Anonymous
    You don't seem to know much of anything, and you just mindlessly repeat popularized formulas. You should study some elementary logic and math. You're like the Neil deGrasse Tyson of the HBD blogosphere.
    , @SFG
    tl;dr
  54. @Jefferson
    Speaking of Jews, Steve Sailer looks Ashkenazi in a 1978 Jew Fro selfie pic that he posted awhile back. Now in 2015 he looks like a grey haired version of the Irish comedian Tom Shillue from Red Eye.

    Nah, I’ve tried to pin down what ethnicity Steve most closely resembles. The best I can come up with (heavily influenced by his writings) is “Generic White American” or “Californian White Guy”. He doesn’t look noticeably Irish (either one).

    • Replies: @SFG
    Maybe the sun's responsible for the California look? He lives in LA, right, Steve?

    'Generic White American' would be a mix of German, Irish, and English ancestry. Though even that varies with the part of the country--you get more German in the Midwest and more Irish in the Northeast.
    , @Jefferson
    "Nah, I’ve tried to pin down what ethnicity Steve most closely resembles. The best I can come up with (heavily influenced by his writings) is “Generic White American” or “Californian White Guy”. He doesn’t look noticeably Irish (either one)."

    Steve has Swiss ancestry, so that disqualifies him from being a "Generic White American" as less than 1 percent of The U.S White population can draw their ancestry back to Switzerland.

    If you have Caucasian ancestry from outside of England, Germany, Northern Ireland, and Ireland than you are not a "Generic White American". Tom Hanks for example would also be disqualified from that label because he has Portuguese ancestry.
  55. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Oddly enough, in the BBC documentary on him, Jack himself speaks (starting at around 4:00) about Trinidad in glowing terms:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD-ziklnhD0

    Modern status is all about claiming victimhood so his son wants to increase his late father's status by increasing the # of victim Pokemon points in his column. Mentioning his aunt the Dachau survivor does the same.

    BTW, in their later years the brothers look less alike - the (now American) Jack looks younger than his German brother (who you can see starting at around 4:40). I think this film was made shortly before Oskar's death. A lot of this is hair and clothing - in a later scene they are both wearing identical Trinidad T-shirts and hats and are hard to tell apart.

    You can see the famous sport coats in the documentary also. Most of the time Jack is not wearing a tie but Oskar is.

    I know a Belizean whose grandfathers were an Austrian (Catholic) military officer and a Jewish merchant. He said it was hard growing up as a white kid there, but he still loves the place and is accepted there now. He speaks with what we could consider a “rasta” accent. Very intelligent and a great cook, too. My takeaway from this is that kids can be assholes to people different from themselves, but they grown out of it. Unfortunately, the kids affected often don’t. The ones who do seem the most psychologically healthy, and should be studied/emulated. Taking the long view is much better than the converse.

    • Replies: @SFG
    I think a lot of journalists go into it, with its lousy pay and uncertainty, because they have some burning desire to change the world. Naturally whatever hangups they grew up with play into it. In the case of a heavily Jewish commentariat this turns into resuscitating some gripe their grandpa had so they can still feel oppressed. I actually think there's a defensive element in that they see the larval SJWs on campus, who will be the next generation of the left, turning on *all* whites, and they're trying to prove their non-white bona fides. "See! We're not really those bad white people, we're nice oppressed people just like you!"
  56. @Anonymous

    Health tip: don’t work in mines.
     
    Health tip from hedge fund manager Bill Ackman: don't drink Coke.

    NY Post (11/11/15): Oreo investor Ackman slams ‘society damaging’ Coca Cola

    "“Coca-Cola has probably done more to create obesity and diabetes on a global basis than any other company in the world,” Ackman said.

    Btw, Ackman's 1988 senior thesis at Harvard was "Scaling the Ivy Wall: the Jewish and Asian American Experience in Harvard Admissions". (Source: Wikipedia)

    Proof that we’ve hit Peak Social Justice, if even Wall St. has caught on to it…

  57. @JayMan
    What would the internet be like without idiotic anonymous commenters?

    Another proof of heritability is the “All-I’ve-Got-Is-a-Hammer” e-Syndrome, discovered by I.P. Frehley in 2003. It’s particularly evident among those who “choose” the blogging arts

  58. @Jefferson
    "If you had been an octoroon “passing” as white in the northern US at that time, you wouldn’t have wanted your darker skinned relatives to visit. If your neighbors saw you with them, they wouldn’t have burned a cross on your lawn but they might not let you go out with their daughters either."

    What if it was an Octoroon woman passing as White but had their darker skin relatives visiting her, would the neighbors have let her go out with their sons?

    Depends on situational details left out of your vague tu-quoque hypothetical, but: probably, yeah. Social mobility is usually pursued in only one direction.

  59. @JayMan
    What would the internet be like without idiotic anonymous commenters?

    Where do shallow insults come from?

  60. @JayMan
    What would the internet be like without idiotic anonymous commenters?

    Where does lack of equanimity come from?

  61. I like those movies that have twins going for the same career like “The Prestige,” “Dead Ringers,” “Double Impact,” “Gone With the Wind,” and “Multiplicity.” But I wouldn’t say it proved much of anything if twin girls independently both went into porn (or politics)

  62. @JayMan
    What would the internet be like without idiotic anonymous commenters?

    You don’t seem to know much of anything, and you just mindlessly repeat popularized formulas. You should study some elementary logic and math. You’re like the Neil deGrasse Tyson of the HBD blogosphere.

  63. @Jack D
    The article doesn't say that the Jewish twin was afraid to visit, just that the German twin didn't want his neighbors to know that he had Jewish visitors.

    The headline doesn't say that the German brother WAS a Nazi, just that he was RAISED as a Nazi, which appears to be true - just like almost every other German child of the time, he had been a member of the Hitler Youth, etc.

    The article doesn't mention which Germany. Chances are it was West Germany but it seems like that is an irrelevant detail.

    ‘Nazi or Jew’ is a lot sexier a headline than ‘German or Jew’ or ‘Guy Who Lived in Germany And Had To Join the Hitler Youth Like Everyone Else His Age or Jew’, you have to admit.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Also, equating Germans with Nazis won't really get you into hot water anyway.
  64. @Anonymous
    I know a Belizean whose grandfathers were an Austrian (Catholic) military officer and a Jewish merchant. He said it was hard growing up as a white kid there, but he still loves the place and is accepted there now. He speaks with what we could consider a "rasta" accent. Very intelligent and a great cook, too. My takeaway from this is that kids can be assholes to people different from themselves, but they grown out of it. Unfortunately, the kids affected often don't. The ones who do seem the most psychologically healthy, and should be studied/emulated. Taking the long view is much better than the converse.

    I think a lot of journalists go into it, with its lousy pay and uncertainty, because they have some burning desire to change the world. Naturally whatever hangups they grew up with play into it. In the case of a heavily Jewish commentariat this turns into resuscitating some gripe their grandpa had so they can still feel oppressed. I actually think there’s a defensive element in that they see the larval SJWs on campus, who will be the next generation of the left, turning on *all* whites, and they’re trying to prove their non-white bona fides. “See! We’re not really those bad white people, we’re nice oppressed people just like you!”

  65. @JayMan
    What would the internet be like without idiotic anonymous commenters?

    tl;dr

  66. @BubbaJoe
    Nah, I've tried to pin down what ethnicity Steve most closely resembles. The best I can come up with (heavily influenced by his writings) is "Generic White American" or "Californian White Guy". He doesn't look noticeably Irish (either one).

    Maybe the sun’s responsible for the California look? He lives in LA, right, Steve?

    ‘Generic White American’ would be a mix of German, Irish, and English ancestry. Though even that varies with the part of the country–you get more German in the Midwest and more Irish in the Northeast.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Maybe the sun’s responsible for the California look? He lives in LA, right, Steve?"

    Steve lives in Encino, which makes him a privileged Angelino because most flyover country Whites would not be able to afford to live in Encino.
  67. But the guy who was ahead of his time in the most ways was Galton, which I guess is why he is so demonized. It would be interesting if somebody like Neal Stephenson tried to change the current braindead opinion of Galton.

    I get the feeling that Stephenson is more of a blank slater.

    Unless he is trolling for Hollywood adaptations.

  68. You can also get an idea about which traits are not likely caused by genetics by looking at the differences between the brothers.

    One brother worked in a mine and the other opened a clothing store. You can guess which one of them was raised Jewish and which one gentile.

  69. @Anonymous
    There have long been rumors that Hitler himself may have had paternal Jewish ancestry, and his Y-chromosome haplogroup was found to be E1b, which is Near Eastern and common among Jews.

    He also had an identical twin who wore the same mustache. That one ended up in Hollywood and worked in the movie business, so the Jewish part might be true.

  70. You don’t seem to know much of anything, and you just mindlessly repeat popularized formulas.

    LOL!

    Boy this is getting rich here tonight.

    Why don’t you share your illustrious wisdom with us?

  71. @LondonBob
    I haven't and don't wish to.

    The reason why so called gay 'marriage' should have been blocked is that we wouldn't be bombarded with 'trans' issues now. What comes after that though?

    “The reason why so called gay ‘marriage’ should have been blocked is that we wouldn’t be bombarded with ‘trans’ issues now.”

    Yes, there’s that, I suppose. There’s also the simple fact that marriage is one of the fundamental “building block” institutions of Western civilization, and to define it as something other than a union between a man and a woman, is to effectively abolish that institution, and to erect a new, sex-neutral institution in its place, one that is deceptively still referred to as “marriage.” That is both extremely reckless and imprudent, as well as more than a little revolting. Whereas the whole ridiculous, World War T kerfuffle, is little more than an annoyance.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    Yes, there’s that, I suppose. There’s also the simple fact that marriage is one of the fundamental “building block” institutions of Western civilization, and to define it as something other than a union between a man and a woman, is to effectively abolish that institution, and to erect a new, sex-neutral institution in its place, one that is deceptively still referred to as “marriage.” That is both extremely reckless and imprudent, as well as more than a little revolting.
     
    Very well said Mr. O'Keefe. I've written very similar things, but this is as clear and concise as i've ever seen.

    I'll add that marriage is the fundamental building block of *all* civilizations. You simply can't build civilization without an institution to raise and *civilize* the children so that they can carry on that civilization. And you can't build civilization--which is built by men--without an institution that lets men stop fighting and mate guarding all the time and both cooperate and turn their attention to productive affairs and the civilizations' advancement--farms, granaries, roads, ships, bridges, iron, written language, mathematics, art, music, steel, printing, science, steam power, railroads, electricity, airplanes, plastics, antibiotics, vaccines, computers, the Internet, etc. etc.

    "Civilizations" that don't regulate sexual relations with a strong culture of marriage, don't tend to create that stuff, or not much of that stuff and actually don't tend to be civilized at all.
  72. @Anonymous
    Robotically repeating formulas doesn't constitute any sort of argument or thought for that matter.

    If you can't parse what Intelligent Dasein is saying and understand that his point is about contingency, not about whether or not all behavioral traits are heritable, which he'd probably concede, you're not very intelligent and should take some remedial logic courses. You've stumbled onto some formulas, adopted them as your religion, and now you just mindlessly repeat them like a religious fanatic.

    If you can’t parse what Intelligent Dasein is saying and understand that his point is about contingency….

    Sorry, Dasein’s first sentence was too facetious for you to come down on Jayman so harshly.

  73. @Anonymous

    The Smoking Gun (11/12/15):
    Cops: Twin Brothers Were Caught Stealing Identical Items From Walmart In South Carolina

    Are twin brothers ever caught stealing non-identical items?

  74. When they dress alike, it’s because they’re twins.

    When they don’t dress alike it’s because they grew up in different cultures.

    Isn’t it neat how it all works out so well?

  75. @Anonymous
    Robotically repeating formulas doesn't constitute any sort of argument or thought for that matter.

    If you can't parse what Intelligent Dasein is saying and understand that his point is about contingency, not about whether or not all behavioral traits are heritable, which he'd probably concede, you're not very intelligent and should take some remedial logic courses. You've stumbled onto some formulas, adopted them as your religion, and now you just mindlessly repeat them like a religious fanatic.

    The interesting question is whether they converged ideologically. To the extent the story provides clues, it seems not.

    It’s not counter-intuitive to me that aesthetic tastes are inherited. After all, it’s not clear where they would come from otherwise. But (if I’m not mistaken) hbders have maintained that political beliefs have zero shared environment variance. That’s truly astounding. Here we have an excellent test case.

  76. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    There have long been rumors that Hitler himself may have had paternal Jewish ancestry, and his Y-chromosome haplogroup was found to be E1b, which is Near Eastern and common among Jews.

    There were many problems with that study. First, Hitler’s father Alois was adopted, so testing paternal Hitler relatives wouldn’t necessarily tell us anything about Adolf Hitler’s Y chromsome. Also, haplogroup E3b isn’t rare among autochthonous gentile Europeans. E3b made its way to Europe with Neolithic migrants from the Middle East thousands of years before Jews or Judaism existed. Razib Khan tagged his post on that article about Hitler’s genetic ancestry “junk genetics” for good reason.

  77. Wasn’t there a case somewhere (California I think) of identical twins, one of whom had killed someone, but they couldn’t prosecute him because it was impossible to know it wasn’t his brother the witnesses had seen?

  78. @SFG
    'Nazi or Jew' is a lot sexier a headline than 'German or Jew' or 'Guy Who Lived in Germany And Had To Join the Hitler Youth Like Everyone Else His Age or Jew', you have to admit.

    Also, equating Germans with Nazis won’t really get you into hot water anyway.

  79. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "The reason why so called gay ‘marriage’ should have been blocked is that we wouldn’t be bombarded with ‘trans’ issues now."

    Yes, there's that, I suppose. There's also the simple fact that marriage is one of the fundamental "building block" institutions of Western civilization, and to define it as something other than a union between a man and a woman, is to effectively abolish that institution, and to erect a new, sex-neutral institution in its place, one that is deceptively still referred to as "marriage." That is both extremely reckless and imprudent, as well as more than a little revolting. Whereas the whole ridiculous, World War T kerfuffle, is little more than an annoyance.

    Yes, there’s that, I suppose. There’s also the simple fact that marriage is one of the fundamental “building block” institutions of Western civilization, and to define it as something other than a union between a man and a woman, is to effectively abolish that institution, and to erect a new, sex-neutral institution in its place, one that is deceptively still referred to as “marriage.” That is both extremely reckless and imprudent, as well as more than a little revolting.

    Very well said Mr. O’Keefe. I’ve written very similar things, but this is as clear and concise as i’ve ever seen.

    I’ll add that marriage is the fundamental building block of *all* civilizations. You simply can’t build civilization without an institution to raise and *civilize* the children so that they can carry on that civilization. And you can’t build civilization–which is built by men–without an institution that lets men stop fighting and mate guarding all the time and both cooperate and turn their attention to productive affairs and the civilizations’ advancement–farms, granaries, roads, ships, bridges, iron, written language, mathematics, art, music, steel, printing, science, steam power, railroads, electricity, airplanes, plastics, antibiotics, vaccines, computers, the Internet, etc. etc.

    “Civilizations” that don’t regulate sexual relations with a strong culture of marriage, don’t tend to create that stuff, or not much of that stuff and actually don’t tend to be civilized at all.

  80. @BubbaJoe
    Nah, I've tried to pin down what ethnicity Steve most closely resembles. The best I can come up with (heavily influenced by his writings) is "Generic White American" or "Californian White Guy". He doesn't look noticeably Irish (either one).

    “Nah, I’ve tried to pin down what ethnicity Steve most closely resembles. The best I can come up with (heavily influenced by his writings) is “Generic White American” or “Californian White Guy”. He doesn’t look noticeably Irish (either one).”

    Steve has Swiss ancestry, so that disqualifies him from being a “Generic White American” as less than 1 percent of The U.S White population can draw their ancestry back to Switzerland.

    If you have Caucasian ancestry from outside of England, Germany, Northern Ireland, and Ireland than you are not a “Generic White American”. Tom Hanks for example would also be disqualified from that label because he has Portuguese ancestry.

  81. @SFG
    Maybe the sun's responsible for the California look? He lives in LA, right, Steve?

    'Generic White American' would be a mix of German, Irish, and English ancestry. Though even that varies with the part of the country--you get more German in the Midwest and more Irish in the Northeast.

    “Maybe the sun’s responsible for the California look? He lives in LA, right, Steve?”

    Steve lives in Encino, which makes him a privileged Angelino because most flyover country Whites would not be able to afford to live in Encino.

  82. @Jack D
    Possible? Yes, but just barely. As I said before, about as possible, maybe less, than it was to publicly profess Mafia sympathy in the US. The fact that their comrade has just been executed as a war criminal doesn't speak well for their position in German society at that time.

    Also as I said before, the German brother was probably concerned about social stigma rather than fear of violence (and the Jewish brother was not concerned at all). If you had been an octoroon "passing" as white in the northern US at that time, you wouldn't have wanted your darker skinned relatives to visit. If your neighbors saw you with them, they wouldn't have burned a cross on your lawn but they might not let you go out with their daughters either.

    There was a small party (the Sozialistische Reichspartei, later the Deutsche Reichspartei) which was essentially a neo-Nazi party in the most literal sense of the word.

    But again, we’re not talking about openly expressing Nazi views (which only involved a small part of the German population, less than 10%, though I think at the time something like 50% of Germans held opinions like “National Socialism was a good idea, but it was poorly implemented”), merely about giving funny looks to someone who’s Jewish or has Jewish visitors. Actually, not even that, we’re talking about fear of receiving funny looks. Now that might be paranoid a little bit, but I think that kind of slight paranoia is typical of a certain ethnic group. I mean, we might be talking about genetics, right?

    So:

    1) a portion of Germans still openly expressed Nazi or Nazi-friendly views
    2) hence, fear of receiving funny looks from neighbors for having Jewish visitors (or being Jewish – remember, it was an identical twin visitor, so his neighbors might also get the idea that if the brother was Jewish, so was he) was just slightly paranoid
    3) the German twin probably never feared persecution, only funny looks from neighbors, which wasn’t totally unreasonable, only slightly over the top

    Apparently you agree with me on points 2) and 3), and regarding point 1) the disagreement seems to be about how large that portion was or something. For all practical purposes, we’re in agreement.

  83. @Intelligent Dasein
    Does anyone really believe that there is a gene or group of genes that encodes for mustache grooming preferences and white sports jackets? If not, then this is much more easily explained as a convergence of personal styles based upon each man trying to look his best in a particular social setting. You may have noticed that a sizable proportion of people in any age tend to dress similarly in similar circumstances. Had this not been the case we would have no notion of "style" at all, and there would only be a collage of individual idiosyncracies stretched out across time.

    But just look at any photograph of a crowd in the 1950s and witness the multitudes of men in their shirt sleeves and thin black ties, all looking very much identical. Or go back another generation and witness the ubiquitous top hats and bowlers. What are bell bottoms and tie-dye to a hippy, or tweed jackets to a Welshman? Everybody strives to look like the archetypical member of the group they wish to represent themselves as belonging to. Thus we can tell a person's geographical origin and social role by his dress, and a period piece by the costume of the players.

    It is almost impossible not to exaggerate the similarities in a twin study, but I would venture a guess that the differences are much more profound and telling.

    Very good and necessary point.

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