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Back in 2013, I blogged:
Hotbed of racists uncovered: Minnesota schoolteachers
One of the weirder aspects of our never-ending War to Sniff Out Racists is that many of the accused witches are nice liberal anti-racists themselves. For example, what percentage of Minneapolis-St. Paul public schoolteachers voted for Obama? Maybe 75%, right?
Well, they still smell racist. Just look at ‘em. And we can prove they’re evil because Data.
So the St. Paul school district administration started a jihad against all those obviously racist teachers it employs. How do the downtown higher ups in their child-free conference rooms know that their underlyings are vicious bigots? Because Data: teachers and principals were suspending blacks more often than Lake Wobegon Lutherans. Now, Minneapolis City Pages has a report on how the new anti-racist policy is working out:
Distrust and Disorder: A Racial Equity Policy Summons Chaos in the St. Paul Schools
By Susan Du Wed., May 27 2015 at 3:00 AM Comments (68)…. Harding has suffered a breakdown of safety and order.
When the bell sounds the start of class, students remain in the halls. Those who tire of lectures simply stand up and leave. They hammer into rooms where they don’t belong, inflicting mischief and malice on their peers. Teachers call it “classroom invasion.”
Instructors who break up fights get beaten in the process, thrown into bookcases while trying to bar their doors.
Says Brandt: “There is a sizable chunk of students that — for a variety of very complex reasons — don’t know how to behave in a decent, sociable way with other people in a school setting.”
Harding’s tribulations are reflected in schools district-wide, most of which have undergone bold changes. …
Two years ago, kids who’d spent their academic lives in specialized classrooms for behavioral issues and cognitive disabilities were mainstreamed into general classes, along with all the kids who spoke English as a second language. More than 3,000 made the transition.
The district also shifted its thinking on discipline, influenced by data that showed black kids being suspended at alarming rates. Such punishment would now come as a last resort. Instead, disruptive or destructive students would essentially receive a 20-minute timeout, receive counseling by a “behavioral coach,” then return to class when they calmed down.
The changes came at the behest of Superintendent Valeria Silva. When she took up the torch of St. Paul’s schools in 2009, she inherited an urban district like so many others — one with a dire achievement gap between students of color and their white counterparts.
She charged teachers with the job of fixing this gap, lest they be complicit in the cycle of poverty among black and brown communities.
Silva’s solution, called Strong Schools, Strong Communities, was touted as “the most revolutionary changes in achievement, alignment, and sustainability seen within SPPS in the last 40 years.” At least according to the district’s website.
To kick it off, St. Paul spent more than $1 million on Pacific Educational Group, a San Francisco consulting firm that purports to create “racially conscious and socially just” schools.
Pacific offered racial equity training for teachers and staff, where they practiced talking about race. Teachers were asked to explore their biases, to preface their opinions with “As a white man, I believe…” or “As a black woman, I think….”
“The work begins with people looking at themselves and their own beliefs and implicit biases,” says Michelle Bierman, the district’s director of racial equity. If teachers could recognize their subconscious racism, everyone would work together to bridge the gap.
The final piece was a tech rollout. Since St. Paul wanted to fit students of widely differing skills into the same classes, teachers needed to customize lessons for individual kids. In 2011, the district invested $4.3 million in Dell for a website that offered videos, homework, and quizzes. But Dell delivered an embarrassingly archaic site, and the deal collapsed within three years. Students received iPads last year instead.
Teachers were expected to rally to Silva’s call. They were to aggressively accelerate the skills of students who’d struggled for years while simultaneously challenging middle-of-the-road learners. And they had to do it while spanning languages from Hmoob to Espanol, Karen, and Soomaali.
The special ed and foreign language students began arriving in the middle of the 2013 school year. They were thrust into classes far too rigorous for their skills, prompting them to act out and flee.
Meanwhile, the new discipline plan wasn’t working. If a child threw a tantrum, behavioral coaches would intervene with short-term counseling, which often failed to prevent kids from acting out time and time again.
Becky McQueen, who comes across as a five-foot-three mother hen, heads Harding’s college prep program for middle and low-income kids. She says the percentage of kids causing problems at Harding is very small, and they’re not all special ed. Last spring, when she stepped into a fight between two basketball players, one grabbed her shoulder and head, throwing her aside.
The kid was only sent home for a couple of days.
In March, when a student barged into her class, McQueen happened to be standing in the doorway and got crushed into a shelf. The following week, two boys came storming in, hit a girl in the head, then skipped back out. One of them had already been written up more than 30 times. …
But most teachers are afraid to speak out. Tenure, after all, doesn’t come until after three years on the job. And even those with tenure fear transfers and endless performance evaluations.
At John A. Johnson Elementary on the East Side, several teachers, who asked to remain anonymous, describe anything but a learning environment. Students run up and down the hallways, slamming lockers and tearing posters off the walls. They hit and swear at each other, upend garbage cans under teachers’ noses.
“We have students who will spend an hour in the hallway just running and hiding from people, like it’s a game for them,” says one despondent teacher. “A lot of them know no one is going to stop them, so they just continue.”
… And those who speak out are race-shamed into silence.
“There is an intense digging in of heels to say there is no mistake,” says Magnuson. “For the people who are saying there has been a mistake, the practice deflection is that people like me have issues with racial equity and that is the reason we are challenging them. That makes for a very convenient way of barring the reality of the situation.”
Points at Principal Valeria Silva, in Nelson’s voice: “Ha ha!”
Heh, bold is the new vibrant.
Typos? Or the new dispensation on what to call Hmong and Somali?
I’m looking forward to what that guy Rex or Regex from Minneapolis will have to say. In particular, I’d like to hear some breakout of the behavior problem, as between (Bantu) African Americans and Somalis.
The black children fight the racist white power structure. In a school, the teachers are the jackbooted thugs enforcing white privilege. These teachers need more education, they’re clearly still to biased and racist. Black lives matter!
Wow. I was just talking to a teacher here in CA on Saturday and she said the same things about public school classrooms here. Apparently, the kids know how to play the race card when they’re in trouble. Can you believe that? I guess they’re learning something.
The result is that teachers can’t send an unmanageable black kid out of the classroom and no teaching can happen.
It’s the Lord of the Flies. If the kids don’t fear the adults, the adults will fear the kids.
When I went to school (in Canada), they still used corporal punishment. The mere fact that it could be used scared me into compliance.
It may be unpopular for some, but respect starts with fear.
I'm of the mindset, unfashionable as it is, that a good horsewhipping can do a kid good, even if it can't raise IQ.
This is the kind of crap that happens when whites refuse to pay their fair share of taxes. They pull their kids out of public schools leaving the schools to rot.
Also whites keep protecting their communities by keeping people of colour out of their neighborhoods
This is the kind of crap that happens when whites refuse to pay their fair share of taxes. They pull their kids out of public schools leaving the schools to rot."
As EriK pointed out, whites pay extra when they pull their kids out of public school - as they still have to pay taxes for schools that their children don't even attend.
"Also whites keep protecting their communities by keeping people of colour out of their neighborhoods."
The never of those white people! Trying to protect their communities!
Find the feeble minds who actually thought this coddling nonsense would work – they’re the ones in need of special ed.
black students are three times more likely to be suspended than their white counterparts for comparable offenses
Let's see the context for these "comparable offenses".
Our local district makes the obvious effort to punish every little offense by a White in an effort to balance this mess. When my kids complain to me, I point out the third part of Orwell's 1984 and tell them, "you are the face, the administration is the boot."
You must realize that there can very easily be, and presumably is, quite a huge disparity between the levels of offenses by race, irrespectrive of the fact some government functionary chose to mischaracterize them as "comparable."
A teacher who retired from St. Paul Public Schools this year told me that if she were young and starting out today she would never become a teacher.
Exactly, Orthodox! That’s the spirit! SS, SC has not failed! It has only been subverted by the omnipresent racist Power Structure.
Also right on target, Hugh. Inequality is the inevitable result of privilege.
Did they forget the tilde over the n in ‘Español’? Racist!
Seriously, we’re not even calling Spanish Spanish anymore? ¡Que le den por culo!
Anyone remember this classic? One of my favorites.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_1_how_i_joined.html
The Craigslist essay about the predominately black high school is also good. If anyone can show me more stories like this I would be grateful.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/josh-kaplowitz-i-apologize-to-the-50-kids-i-taught/2015/01/21/2ab53fc2-85fd-11e4-9534-f79a23c40e6c_story.html
http://www.amren.com/features/2014/09/all-i-really-need-to-know-about-race-i-learned-teaching-in-kindergarten/
Whenever there are YouTube videos showing a high school student getting into a straight up street fight style brawl with a teacher, the students always happen to be Black. Too bad there are no official statistics on what percentage of students who try to beat up their teachers happen to be Black. You will never see a racial breakdown of that see the light of day because it would make Black teens look extremely bad.
I’d say the only beneficiary so far is the ‘San Francisco consulting firm that purports to create “racially conscious and socially just” schools’, which walked away from this nightmare with $1m of taxpayers’ money.
I’d be willing to bet they are closing the achievement gap, though.
I remember in the 1990s Hollywood released a bunch of films portraying urban inner city NAM high schools in a negative light like High School High, The Substitute, and Dangerous Minds for example. Those types of films would be considered too racist to be made in today’s extremely politically correct climate. America has changed a lot in the last 20 years.
Interesting nuggets that go mentioned and unmentioned in the article. The Hmong want nothing to do with this nonsense. You can’t throw a stone without hitting a Hmong charter school.
Also a tremendous rise in language immersion charter schools. French, German, Spanish, Mandarin, and even Korean!!. Many are occupying former Catholic schools. There are more then 30 charter schools in the city of St. Paul alone.
Its almost as though they have created a district within a district for grade school. Unfortunately, the rubber sort of hits the road in junior high when everyone gets mixed back together. Hence the focus on positive spin at Ramsey Junior High in Star Tribune http://strib.MN/1HWdP
Anyways, not my problem. Best $1000 I spend every month is on Catholic schools
Weird things are happening in Minnesota. I don’t know if it’s the result of decades of cultural domination by NPR-style smart-dumb leftism, or the effects of Idiocracy-style demographic change, but the whole place feels adrift.
For one thing, Minnesotans are experiencing a bad case of “prole drift,” wherein the middle class behaves like the working class (or the not-working class, as the case may be). Public aesthetics is an area where this is particularly obvious. A hundred years ago, Minnesotans built attractive middle-class homes and towns. Today, housing and retail construction here is creating some of the ugliest built environments you’ve ever seen.
In the 1970s, a French filmmaker made a documentary about the town of Glencoe, Minnesota, called “God’s Country.” In it, you can already see the direction in which things were heading: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNu8d0Hl-aw
What are the numerator and denominator in these ratios you’re comparing?
Are any of these teachers going to sue the school district after being repeatedly assaulted or inadvertently injured by students?
The teachers in St. Paul appear to be human punching bags and crash test dummies. Being a teacher is more dangerous than being a fireman at this point.
Follow up article earlier this year from the author of that City Journal piece.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/josh-kaplowitz-i-apologize-to-the-50-kids-i-taught/2015/01/21/2ab53fc2-85fd-11e4-9534-f79a23c40e6c_story.html
“I used to have to punch him in his chest when he was little because he was off the chain."
So she got $90,000 because a teacher allegedly pushed her son for misbehaving, but she herself admits to punching the kid in the chest?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/a-pupil-points-a-finger-a-teacher-is-fired-his-life-rerouted-now-can-they-be-buddies/2015/01/21/5fa7368e-8000-11e4-9f38-95a187e4c1f7_story.html
Indeed. I bet homeschooling has EXPLODED in St. Paul in the last year or so.
Somalis like to move from hot Somalia to Scandinavia, which is cold and full of Scandinavians. They also like to move to Minnesota, which is cold and full of Scandinavians.
Why is that?
Why is that?"
Maybe Somalis have a strong sexual attraction towards blondes.
This is a perfect storm of liberal policy: the unwillingness to see true victims (the students who might want to learn), the wasted money on a program by Dell that most likely was made by unqualified H1B visa-holders, the insistence on making race front and center … it is so laughable but hey, it’s turning those nice white ladies into race realists, so keep it up, SSSC!
Here’s one:
http://www.amren.com/features/2014/09/all-i-really-need-to-know-about-race-i-learned-teaching-in-kindergarten/
You mean, it’s now politically correct for me to start prefacing everything I say with “As a white man…”? That’s great! Used to be this sort of thing was reserved for minorities. As a white man, I’m looking forward to other benefits that I’ll receive when I’m a minority too. No more onerous responsibilities like my group, white men, expected always to take a racially neutral stance when it comes to governmental policy. Back when I was in college I used to think it was my duty, as an American, to make my contributions to political discussion as an American not as a white man. But, as a white man, I now can look forward to engaging in the ugliest kind of identity politics whenever it suits me.
I’d like too for everyone else to quit stereotyping us white men all the damn time. We’re not always nice, nerdy and accommodating. Sometimes I’m an angry white man too! I feel umm… disenfranchised (yeah that’s the ticket) from the US political system by policies like the ones that discriminate against my ethnically British heritage with it’s restrictive immigration policy.
I love the sound of all of this. The future is looking very bright!
black… three times more likely to be suspended… for comparable offenses
Let’s see the context for these “comparable offenses”.
Our local district makes the obvious effort to punish every little offense by a White in an effort to balance this mess. When my kids complain to me, I point out the third part of Orwell’s 1984 and tell them, “you are the face, the administration is the boot.”
> To kick it off, St. Paul spent more than $1 million on Pacific Educational Group, a San Francisco consulting firm that purports to create “racially conscious and socially just” schools.
I thought most of these high-priced consultancies would be based in Rotherham, since it’s already achieved a racially conscious and socially just future.
Also a tremendous rise in language immersion charter schools. French, German, Spanish, Mandarin, and even Korean!!. Many are occupying former Catholic schools. There are more then 30 charter schools in the city of St. Paul alone.
Its almost as though they have created a district within a district for grade school. Unfortunately, the rubber sort of hits the road in junior high when everyone gets mixed back together. Hence the focus on positive spin at Ramsey Junior High in Star Tribune http://strib.MN/1HWdP
Anyways, not my problem. Best $1000 I spend every month is on Catholic schools
You mention that the charter schools are in former Catholic schools. The Catholic school system here in Western New York numbered almost 20 high schools, only a few remain, and almost one elementary school per parish. The Catholic schools gave parents, Catholic and non-Catholic alike, the option of putting their children in a stricter environment. I help out at a local farm attraction that hosts bus loads of elementary school children on field trips. The behavior of the public school kids versus the Catholic school kids is startling. The saddest thing that I see is that the public school teachers and aides don’t seem to care. It’s like they have surrendered.
Are you nuts? They read the writing on the wall. They don't want to be fired, lose their pensions, and possibly prosecuted criminally. YOU would do the same.
Soomaali is Somali for Somali, as far as I can gather. Hmoob is the Hmong language. It seems the final b nasalises the preceding vowel, which means Hmoob is pronounced something like Hmong. Funnily enough, when I googled Hmoob, the top hit turns out to be for the Urban Dictionary, which gives the correct definition of it.
:-)
Also right on target, Hugh. Inequality is the inevitable result of privilege.
FTFY
"Voluntary mating and residence decisions will inevitably lead to unequal outcomes.".
As the smiley makes clear, my first comment here was in jest.
Why is that?
“Somalis like to move from hot Somalia to Scandinavia, which is cold and full of Scandinavians. They also like to move to Minnesota, which is cold and full of Scandinavians.
Why is that?”
Maybe Somalis have a strong sexual attraction towards blondes.
Also whites keep protecting their communities by keeping people of colour out of their neighborhoods
Indeed, because by pulling their kids out of public schools. Whites only pay double.
One thing I’ve noticed is that if there is a demographic with a desire for something and money to burn, there will always be people willing to take their money, irrespective of the existence of a working solution.
Try this one weird trick to close the gap.
Yes, I realized this profound truth years ago. If there is a market, someone will service it regardless of whether their service is of any value, hence drug counseling, psychiatry, financial advisers, and fortune tellers.
As always, there’s a bunch of idiot consultants making bank.
I have an idea that could fix this situation.
Since the kids don’t get in trouble for beating the crap out of each other, the teachers should find some black kids who like to fight and make them a deal. If they become the law and start beating down anyone who makes trouble, then they get some sort of special privilege.
Of course this would have to be a secret arrangement. But this is a desperate situation, so the teachers need a desperate solution.
I'm looking forward to what that guy Rex or Regex from Minneapolis will have to say. In particular, I'd like to hear some breakout of the behavior problem, as between (Bantu) African Americans and Somalis.
You mean me?
“Hmoob” and “Soomaali” are the native orthographies, but they’re pretty much pronounced as “Hmong” and “Somali” are in English.
Hmong spelling is bizarre at first sight, but is a smooth way of avoiding the “paint splatter” look of similarly tonal Vietnamese. Thank some long ago, probably French, genius. The final consonant letters represent tones, and the only real final consonant in the language, -ng, is shown by doubled vowels. Hence, “Hmong”=Hmoob”.
But no, you don’t want to use the latter in English text, except for effect. Maybe it was in italics in the original.
(My wife won’t allow the City Pages into the house. We have young kids. You’ve seen the ads in the back pages of urban indie papers, haven’t you?)
So, what about the Bantu/Somali breakout I asked about?
Speaking of the liberal hamster mind, get a load of this (not very long):
http://calapp.blogspot.com/2015/06/people-v-charles-cal-supreme-ct-june-1.html
Or, as I wrote on Cowen’s,
“Voluntary mating and residence decisions will inevitably lead to unequal outcomes.”.
As the smiley makes clear, my first comment here was in jest.
Discipline all the misbehaving African-American students as they deserve. Meanwhile execute the worst few white students, to prove you’re not racist.
Everyone wins.
Or we could look for other creative ideas from professional education groups.
I was in St. Paul two years ago and was surprised to see the number of minorities. Somali, American negro, Hmong, etc.
I was staying at a Super 8 and there were a lot of young and very surly American negro men hanging around. Each seemed to have a white girl friend with a mulatto baby in her arms. Probably waiting for Section 8 housing to open up.
Also whites keep protecting their communities by keeping people of colour out of their neighborhoods
“Hugh says:
This is the kind of crap that happens when whites refuse to pay their fair share of taxes. They pull their kids out of public schools leaving the schools to rot.”
As EriK pointed out, whites pay extra when they pull their kids out of public school – as they still have to pay taxes for schools that their children don’t even attend.
“Also whites keep protecting their communities by keeping people of colour out of their neighborhoods.”
The never of those white people! Trying to protect their communities!
“Silva’s solution, called Strong Schools, Strong Communities, was touted as “the most revolutionary changes in achievement, alignment, and sustainability seen within SPPS in the last 40 years.” At least according to the district’s website.”
So the superintendent’s website, run by her lackeys, lauds her program as “the most revolutionary”. That certainly sounds like an unbiased assessment.
Teaching in a ghetto school has got to be one of the worst jobs available in America, whether you have a degree or not. I can’t fathom why any young white teacher would take that risk. Can anybody be that idealistic and naive?
The young, liberal, white women are dumber than you may want to believe. A lot of those I have met actually think they can become Michelle Pfeiffer in Dangerous Minds if they're just kind and caring enough. I haven't decided if it's sad or amusing when their idyllic worldview comes crashing down around them.
Hello, Minneapolis? You’ve got a phone call from the gods of the copybook headings.
that’s quite a critical article from the local alt weekly. the journalist susan (shijon) du explicitly cites the asian flight as a looming problem. clearly she believes that the real victims here are asians who aren’t getting the opportunity to learn. another example of the O’s circular firing squad.
Reminded me of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_of_1984
Would even be politically correct today. The main perpetrators were white, as it seems (I don’t remember, too long ago).
The result is that teachers can't send an unmanageable black kid out of the classroom and no teaching can happen.
’twas why I told my darlings I was a descendant of Ham. Then I explained what that meant. Two things happened. 1) They became slightly concerned I might go all Ahab on them. 2) Gave me lot’s of nice race cards of my own every time they uttered “what religion are you!” Blacks, an empowered minority, punching down…… FWIW, I’m Lutheran.
(cue Bangles…)
Since the kids don't get in trouble for beating the crap out of each other, the teachers should find some black kids who like to fight and make them a deal. If they become the law and start beating down anyone who makes trouble, then they get some sort of special privilege.
Of course this would have to be a secret arrangement. But this is a desperate situation, so the teachers need a desperate solution.
That would work great..for about five minutes, which is about how long it would take one of the black “enforcers” to cripple or kill another student.
Also whites keep protecting their communities by keeping people of colour out of their neighborhoods
Baltimore school budget per student, per annum – $16,700. Black kids are NOT being short changed by whites. Sorry friend – money is not the issue.
Seriously, we're not even calling Spanish Spanish anymore? ¡Que le den por culo!
“Seriously, we’re not even calling Spanish Spanish anymore?”
First time I’ve seen that. Another frontier in the Kulturkampf I guess. “Why do people refer to English by the name its native speakers use, but not ESPANOL, HMM, I WONDER WHY THAT IS!?!?!
And then cue the Argentine grad student who demands that we call it “Cas-tay-zhah-no.”
Also a tremendous rise in language immersion charter schools. French, German, Spanish, Mandarin, and even Korean!!. Many are occupying former Catholic schools. There are more then 30 charter schools in the city of St. Paul alone.
Its almost as though they have created a district within a district for grade school. Unfortunately, the rubber sort of hits the road in junior high when everyone gets mixed back together. Hence the focus on positive spin at Ramsey Junior High in Star Tribune http://strib.MN/1HWdP
Anyways, not my problem. Best $1000 I spend every month is on Catholic schools
One teaches Latin. My son didn’t get in last year– it’s a lottery. But they don’t start Latin lessons till 2nd or 3rd grade anyway, so we have time to homeschool-leapfrog.
Some conflict within the coalition of the fringes might be fun. I’m thinking the “The Trial Lawyers Association” might start a class action lawsuit charging the School District with putting the teachers into a hostile work environment. Let the battle begin
This is why the best advice any White person can take is to live as far away from Negroes as possible. It seems that every community they latch onto, they destroy. I remember when Minnesotans were all kind, pale-faced liberals wanting to help out the poor, struggling coloreds in the South, Karma’s a bitch, aint she?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/josh-kaplowitz-i-apologize-to-the-50-kids-i-taught/2015/01/21/2ab53fc2-85fd-11e4-9534-f79a23c40e6c_story.html
Did you read a quote from the kid’s (completely unrepentant) mom in the companion article?
“I used to have to punch him in his chest when he was little because he was off the chain.”
So she got $90,000 because a teacher allegedly pushed her son for misbehaving, but she herself admits to punching the kid in the chest?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/a-pupil-points-a-finger-a-teacher-is-fired-his-life-rerouted-now-can-they-be-buddies/2015/01/21/5fa7368e-8000-11e4-9f38-95a187e4c1f7_story.html
Time to brush up on my Hmoob.
Nobody calls Russian “Rooskeey”. I don’t even know how Standard Chinese is called in Standard Chinese.
Try this one weird trick to close the gap.
if there is a demographic with a desire for something and money to burn, there will always be people willing to take their money, irrespective of the existence of a working solution.
Yes, I realized this profound truth years ago. If there is a market, someone will service it regardless of whether their service is of any value, hence drug counseling, psychiatry, financial advisers, and fortune tellers.
What kind of boob can’t master Hmoob?
Says Brandt: “There is a sizable chunk of students that — for a variety of very complex reasons — don’t know how to behave in a decent, sociable way with other people in a school setting.”
If the reason for a problem is simple and clear, but unpalatable to a liberal, it suddenly becomes “very complex.” Saying that there are “a variety of very complex reasons” is a way of saying “don’t you dare state the obvious.”
I'm looking forward to what that guy Rex or Regex from Minneapolis will have to say. In particular, I'd like to hear some breakout of the behavior problem, as between (Bantu) African Americans and Somalis.
I wonder if they have any Moops?
What is the state of the law in Minnesota? If an adult (e.g., teacher, or 18-year-old student) witnesses a felony assault, is the witness obliged to report the crime to police? Are the school authorities obliged to? Surely there have been test cases filed by victims of in-school assaults.
Semi-related, what is the state of panopticon recording devices in Minnesota public schools?
Just stretch out the O’s in “Hmong” and “Somali”, and you have Hmoob and Soomaali.
The local rail ticket machines will serve you in either tongue, and “welcome” sounds eerily similar in them. But I’ve never seen a Somali use his language for that purpose. They really drum English into them in those Kenyan camps.
The train just reached the Hmong last summer, and I haven’t observed any Hmong buy tickets yet. I hope they can reach the machine.
I’m not sure if the Spanish page is ever used at all. The rail runs on the honor system!
No, they call it русский язык.
Poon-tang Whaaaa!
Say, are you related to the school in the article?
Yes! Hah, I remembered something Latinate…
So, what about the Bantu/Somali breakout I asked about?
The Africans I know are vetted by employers and landlords, so they behave. I hate to say so, but better than the whites I know. But then, my neighborhood is where Africans on the rise meet whites on the fall.
It's weird, but my kids are usually the only whites on the playground. But a short ride to an activity, like Scouts or library or Choo Choo Bob's train store, and every kid is white. (Except that adopted one.)
Gitcho damn hands off yo hmoobs boy!
Also whites keep protecting their communities by keeping people of colour out of their neighborhoods
This is what happens when schools focus predominately on the interests of under-represented minorities. Whites realize the schools aren’t interested in the well-being of their children, so they go elsewhere.
In 10 years public schools will be a form of child abuse for white parents. I always think back to a quote from one of these reality teaching stories “in my classroom at no point during the lesson was a fight not going on”…. Can you fn imagine that?
A white kid tried to beat up a teacher. It happened one time only. Kenny Kaiser at Redland Middle School took a swing at Mr. Snyder. I didn’t see it but heard about it from my big brother. Crazy! And it happened 30 years ago but still…
It seems that if you discipline blacks more than whites, you’re in trouble. Has anyone taken the same attitude towards the disparity in the disciplining of male and female pupils? Surely it happens far more often to males, but nobody seems to mind this.
Easy way to solve the problem. Concealed carry for teachers. Does Minnesota have a Stand Your Ground law?
But everybody hates those signs, the pros, the antis, the fencesitters, and the indifferent. Unity on something!
Also whites keep protecting their communities by keeping people of colour out of their neighborhoods
sarcasm alert
The saddest thing that I see is that the public school teachers and aides don’t seem to care. It’s like they have surrendered.
Are you nuts? They read the writing on the wall. They don’t want to be fired, lose their pensions, and possibly prosecuted criminally. YOU would do the same.
That, and also have different kinds of teachers.
In the meantime, use the lawsuit machine against the school districts. Sue the pants off the school districts so they go bankrupt.
So, what about the Bantu/Somali breakout I asked about?
American blacks (who are hardly “Bantu”) and East Africans don’t interact, outside of high school. It’s a rare young African whose accent is Ebonic. On the other hand, it’s not “Fargo”, either. Just bland TV dialect.
The Africans I know are vetted by employers and landlords, so they behave. I hate to say so, but better than the whites I know. But then, my neighborhood is where Africans on the rise meet whites on the fall.
It’s weird, but my kids are usually the only whites on the playground. But a short ride to an activity, like Scouts or library or Choo Choo Bob’s train store, and every kid is white. (Except that adopted one.)
It's good that Charles Murray noticed what is happening to the white population.
To people in California other negative cultural changes are more obvious, because areas that are still predominantly white, like Marin County, tend to be very affluent and very nice, while middle-class areas are already thoroughly mixed.
In the Midwest, however, the decline of the white middle class is apparent everywhere. What is happening in Minnesota's public schools is ultimately the result of white people shooting themselves in the foot; whites here lack the self-awareness of Manhattanites who say one thing and do another.
When I went to school (in Canada), they still used corporal punishment. The mere fact that it could be used scared me into compliance.
It may be unpopular for some, but respect starts with fear.
That clashes with the recent comments-meme that upbringing means nothing, it’s all HBD.
I’m of the mindset, unfashionable as it is, that a good horsewhipping can do a kid good, even if it can’t raise IQ.
That comments-meme is blatantly wrong, although it is a convenient excuse for the irresponsible to continue acting irresponsible.
Discipline has a long and well established record of working.
No, but we have big block-letter signs adjacent to so many doorways saying the management “bans guns” in the building. That was the compromise that got concealed carry enacted.
But everybody hates those signs, the pros, the antis, the fencesitters, and the indifferent. Unity on something!
To bring this, Mad Max and Peter Frost’s recent post on androids all together, the descriptions of violence and chaos remind me of the movie Class of 1999 about robot teachers brought in to restore order in schools. Had Pam Grier as a chemistry teacher.
Now you're touching on my cure for all the world's ills -- a personal robot assigned to each person. It would mean the end to all child abuse, drug use, criminal acts (and therefore prison), and perfectly-taylored one-on-one instruction for each student.
Internet based schooling for Whites and Asian parents fleeing vbrancy has to be one of the last booms remaining.
Here’s another failing industry disintermediated.
“kids who’d spent their academic lives in specialized classrooms for behavioral issues and cognitive disabilities ”
Blacks being black, in other words
Yes, I realized this profound truth years ago. If there is a market, someone will service it regardless of whether their service is of any value, hence drug counseling, psychiatry, financial advisers, and fortune tellers.
I was thinking more along the lines of hair replacement, penis enlargement, fat burning ointments, and Nigerians wanting to transfer millions of dollars from gold mines out of Africa using selected email accounts harvested from the internet but you have some more subtle ones there. Nice work.
You jest, but the irony is that by only practicing eugenics on whites, future generations of blacks would fall further behind.
“To bring this, Mad Max and Peter Frost’s recent post on androids all together, the descriptions of violence and chaos remind me of the movie Class of 1999 about robot teachers brought in to restore order in schools. Had Pam Grier as a chemistry teacher.”
Now you’re touching on my cure for all the world’s ills — a personal robot assigned to each person. It would mean the end to all child abuse, drug use, criminal acts (and therefore prison), and perfectly-taylored one-on-one instruction for each student.
Now you're touching on my cure for all the world's ills -- a personal robot assigned to each person. It would mean the end to all child abuse, drug use, criminal acts (and therefore prison), and perfectly-taylored one-on-one instruction for each student.
http://takimag.com/article/how_robots_push_our_buttons_steve_sailer/print#axzz3bfM7zFJa
Never know when you will run into an old Roman walking around St. Paul.
You’ll find him at Cossetta’s, enjoying a double macchiato, with Vic Damone on the (very loud) Musak.
Now you're touching on my cure for all the world's ills -- a personal robot assigned to each person. It would mean the end to all child abuse, drug use, criminal acts (and therefore prison), and perfectly-taylored one-on-one instruction for each student.
I want the B7! Twilight Zone: “Steel” (1963, w/ Lee Marvin). Kick ass, battling robots! And they can calculate possible dangers before any human protective agent. A computer could beat the work chess champion in the 1980′s. Now iPhone chess apps are more powerful than the current chess champ, Magnus Carlsen, who is higher rated that Kasparov and Fischer. Fischer had an IQ of 187 and spent an average of 16 hours per day from the age of 7 to 29 doing nothing but studying and playing chess. And today my iPhone free chess app is stronger. Scary.
It’s another quickie shibboleth/status marker conjured up by Them. They just do it to do it, for the reasons that have been covered pretty well: to have something to be au courant with, to have little daily things for the proles to stumble over, etc. I’m convinced that France will have truly fallen when it surrenders its most sacred thing- its language- to these kind of linguistic siege tactics.
“Can anybody be that idealistic and naive?”
The young, liberal, white women are dumber than you may want to believe. A lot of those I have met actually think they can become Michelle Pfeiffer in Dangerous Minds if they’re just kind and caring enough. I haven’t decided if it’s sad or amusing when their idyllic worldview comes crashing down around them.
I'm of the mindset, unfashionable as it is, that a good horsewhipping can do a kid good, even if it can't raise IQ.
“That clashes with the recent comments-meme that upbringing means nothing, it’s all HBD”
That comments-meme is blatantly wrong, although it is a convenient excuse for the irresponsible to continue acting irresponsible.
Discipline has a long and well established record of working.
Are you nuts? They read the writing on the wall. They don't want to be fired, lose their pensions, and possibly prosecuted criminally. YOU would do the same.
Then we need to get different people in charge.
That, and also have different kinds of teachers.
In the meantime, use the lawsuit machine against the school districts. Sue the pants off the school districts so they go bankrupt.
Would Lee Marvin have been any worse off with B7 than with Michelle Triola?
One of the reasons that some charter schools are able to do well in environments where public schools don’t is that they can and do suspend and expel students often and early.
Some charter schools had suspended almost all their students at some point or another to show they were serious about it, and some charter schools expel a huge proportion of their students.
The successful ones often have militaristic discipline which irks public school teachers who opt for a more “understanding” approach to discipline, which rarely has any effect in the worst schools.
Any school that could take its worst-behaved 10-20% of students and simply be rid of them would see a huge increase in actual learning going on.
The "understanding" approach to discipline, and the soft approach favored by the public schools in the US, doesn't work.
Expel the worst 10 percent and results improve for everyone else.
I taught for a year at a minority/poverty middle school. The only white kid in my classes was also one of the worst behaved. Two students in one of my classes were sent to other schools for misbehavior in my class. After those two students were gone the behavior in that class improved markedly. As anecdotal proof of that improvement: one of the students in that class had the biggest year-to-year improvement in the entire 8th grade on the state-mandated math standards test.
I never found out where one of the students was sent: I suspect some sort of "alternative school." The assistant principal didn't give details, and I didn't ask. But the other student was simply sent back to his home school- the school he would have attended according to boundaries the school district set. He had wanted to attend the school where I taught, and in this "open enrollment" school district he was able to do so. Due to his misbehavior he was sent back to his home school.
He was not the only student I had who chose to attend the school I taught- a school which had a bad reputation- instead of his home school, and who subsequently got sent back to his home school. Why would a student choose to move to a school with a bad reputation? I suspect that a student would choose to attend a school with a bad reputation because he figured he would be more likely to get away with misbehaving at a "bad" school instead of a "good" school.
Which shows that not all low achievers are stupid.
Nope. Zero relation. Also, it’s not like they used the relevant scripts in the article.
Some charter schools had suspended almost all their students at some point or another to show they were serious about it, and some charter schools expel a huge proportion of their students.
The successful ones often have militaristic discipline which irks public school teachers who opt for a more "understanding" approach to discipline, which rarely has any effect in the worst schools.
Any school that could take its worst-behaved 10-20% of students and simply be rid of them would see a huge increase in actual learning going on.
Exactly, That’s what needs to be done.
The “understanding” approach to discipline, and the soft approach favored by the public schools in the US, doesn’t work.
Expel the worst 10 percent and results improve for everyone else.
Ideologically, all those teachers are on the ‘left’. Let them suffer.
Let us rejoice at the internecine war among Liberals.
Also a tremendous rise in language immersion charter schools. French, German, Spanish, Mandarin, and even Korean!!. Many are occupying former Catholic schools. There are more then 30 charter schools in the city of St. Paul alone.
Its almost as though they have created a district within a district for grade school. Unfortunately, the rubber sort of hits the road in junior high when everyone gets mixed back together. Hence the focus on positive spin at Ramsey Junior High in Star Tribune http://strib.MN/1HWdP
Anyways, not my problem. Best $1000 I spend every month is on Catholic schools
I guess that’s the last acceptable tactic to insulate your kid from blacks. Desperate times…desperate measures.
Unfortunately, unless making your kid fluent in one of those languages is your actual goal, you’re suffering a certain deadweight loss: your kid really won’t absorb math, history etc as well as he would if they were taught in English, and hiring would be difficult (of all the terrific biology teachers on the job market, what % can also teach it in French?)
So maybe a more efficient path to the same goal would be a “classical music immersion” school. The teaching could all be in English, but Mozart would be piped into the hallways, library and (when the teacher’s not lecturing, like during science lab) the classrooms. The NAMs might find such a school intolerable, and stay away.
The enterprising retailer that doesn't cotton to loiterers has a handy way to clear the store or parking lot, and can turn that on or off as needed, such as after school or in the evenings. That takes some fine-tuning to attract paying customers and to repel the punks instead of vice versa. As you'd imagine, there are also apps that play sounds kids can hear but teacher can't hear.
The low-cost sound weapon has been in use at convenience stores all over. Young people hear more upper register sounds, while adults have age-related hearing loss and don’t hear those higher pitches.
The enterprising retailer that doesn’t cotton to loiterers has a handy way to clear the store or parking lot, and can turn that on or off as needed, such as after school or in the evenings. That takes some fine-tuning to attract paying customers and to repel the punks instead of vice versa. As you’d imagine, there are also apps that play sounds kids can hear but teacher can’t hear.
Or Schmoopy??
Some charter schools had suspended almost all their students at some point or another to show they were serious about it, and some charter schools expel a huge proportion of their students.
The successful ones often have militaristic discipline which irks public school teachers who opt for a more "understanding" approach to discipline, which rarely has any effect in the worst schools.
Any school that could take its worst-behaved 10-20% of students and simply be rid of them would see a huge increase in actual learning going on.
Any school that could take its worst-behaved 10-20% of students and simply be rid of them would see a huge increase in actual learning going on.
I taught for a year at a minority/poverty middle school. The only white kid in my classes was also one of the worst behaved. Two students in one of my classes were sent to other schools for misbehavior in my class. After those two students were gone the behavior in that class improved markedly. As anecdotal proof of that improvement: one of the students in that class had the biggest year-to-year improvement in the entire 8th grade on the state-mandated math standards test.
I never found out where one of the students was sent: I suspect some sort of “alternative school.” The assistant principal didn’t give details, and I didn’t ask. But the other student was simply sent back to his home school- the school he would have attended according to boundaries the school district set. He had wanted to attend the school where I taught, and in this “open enrollment” school district he was able to do so. Due to his misbehavior he was sent back to his home school.
He was not the only student I had who chose to attend the school I taught- a school which had a bad reputation- instead of his home school, and who subsequently got sent back to his home school. Why would a student choose to move to a school with a bad reputation? I suspect that a student would choose to attend a school with a bad reputation because he figured he would be more likely to get away with misbehaving at a “bad” school instead of a “good” school.
Which shows that not all low achievers are stupid.
“black students are three times more likely to be suspended than their white counterparts for comparable offenses”
You must realize that there can very easily be, and presumably is, quite a huge disparity between the levels of offenses by race, irrespectrive of the fact some government functionary chose to mischaracterize them as “comparable.”
The Africans I know are vetted by employers and landlords, so they behave. I hate to say so, but better than the whites I know. But then, my neighborhood is where Africans on the rise meet whites on the fall.
It's weird, but my kids are usually the only whites on the playground. But a short ride to an activity, like Scouts or library or Choo Choo Bob's train store, and every kid is white. (Except that adopted one.)
The Midwest is full of whites on the fall.
It’s good that Charles Murray noticed what is happening to the white population.
To people in California other negative cultural changes are more obvious, because areas that are still predominantly white, like Marin County, tend to be very affluent and very nice, while middle-class areas are already thoroughly mixed.
In the Midwest, however, the decline of the white middle class is apparent everywhere. What is happening in Minnesota’s public schools is ultimately the result of white people shooting themselves in the foot; whites here lack the self-awareness of Manhattanites who say one thing and do another.
Minnesota played a big role for its size in the Civil War. It’s a matter of great pride there I understand.
If those types of were released now, they would criticized for having a “white savior” teaching the kids. Hell, some people were complaining about it then. Apparently showing resourceful whites helping minorities is subtly racist.
Whites are allowed to help minorities indirectly through their tax money.
As it so happens, “Schmoopy” is the name of a tribal leader of the Moop emigre community in the Twin Cities. He intends to seek a seat in the Minnesota Legislature. You can vote for Schmoopy, or you can cast your ballot for the old Jewish lady. Its your call.
At the Capitol tour, they tell you that Minnesota was the first Union state to offer troops. But this was sheer luck. The governor was in DC strolling with Lincoln when the news from Ft Sumter arrived.
Yes…to the point that during my first real visit to a city in the old CSA a few years ago, I found it quite disturbing to see a statue of a Confederate general. I mean, these guys were the enemy. It was not unlike how I’m sure I’d react if I visited Germany and came across a square honoring one of their WWII generals.
Yes, we elected one President.
Also whites keep protecting their communities by keeping people of colour out of their neighborhoods
In the 1920′s and 1930′s in South Carolina, when Blacks were still the majority, White taxpayers contributed $14 out of every $15 spent on the education of Black children.
It's good that Charles Murray noticed what is happening to the white population.
To people in California other negative cultural changes are more obvious, because areas that are still predominantly white, like Marin County, tend to be very affluent and very nice, while middle-class areas are already thoroughly mixed.
In the Midwest, however, the decline of the white middle class is apparent everywhere. What is happening in Minnesota's public schools is ultimately the result of white people shooting themselves in the foot; whites here lack the self-awareness of Manhattanites who say one thing and do another.
Excellent post. The Midwestern small-town idyll is in terminal decline, and it’s a sad thing to witness. I think at least part of the problem is that starting in the 60s all the ambitious and intelligent people took flight for Chicago, NYC, San Francisco etc. leaving the sub-proletariat free to run amok. From tattoo parlors to Evangelical churches, the landscape now is totally different. Also, this quote
rings very true. I’ve often thought that segregationists’ big problem was their lack of hypocrisy; they just flatly said what most whites clearly believe and were destroyed for it. Now, if those segregationists had learned some PR technique from the silver-tongued “Manhattanites” they would have been much more effective I think.
That, and also have different kinds of teachers.
In the meantime, use the lawsuit machine against the school districts. Sue the pants off the school districts so they go bankrupt.
Are you nuts? The problem is the stupid and worthless parents who put nothing into the education of their kids but DEMAND that somebody else educate them. You want to sue the school district and fire the teachers to fix that? How?
Also, firing the teachers and replacing them with combat veterans, especially Marines, could do a lot to help. Guys who took on the Taliban are more prepared for the schools than liberal young women.
If you sue the district for creating a hostile and unsafe work environment and win, you get the courts to bring discipline back into the schools. Courts helped create this problem. They could provide a way out of this problem.
Also, firing the teachers and replacing them with combat veterans, especially Marines, could do a lot to help. Guys who took on the Taliban are more prepared for the schools than liberal young women.
OK,
Admittedly didn’t read all of the comments, but this shit is exactly why I quit teaching 12 years ago. And I taught at a school with zero blacks, was maybe 1-2 percent white with the rest being Hispanic (vast majority of those of Mexican ancestry). School administrators get paid a shitload of money for doing next to nothing. In the case of principals, they want to work their way to the central office where they’ll make the same pay for a lot less of a headache. In order to make that jump, they push as much of the discipline stuff on teachers that they can so that nothing can ever come back on them to keep them from that cherry job.
As far as superintendents, before I quit being a reporter a couple of years ago, our local super (district of 13,000) retired after 30 years in the biz at half pay. So he gets a little better than 7 grand a month for the rest of his lift and he’s still 5 years away from cracking 60.
I taught for a year at a minority/poverty middle school. The only white kid in my classes was also one of the worst behaved. Two students in one of my classes were sent to other schools for misbehavior in my class. After those two students were gone the behavior in that class improved markedly. As anecdotal proof of that improvement: one of the students in that class had the biggest year-to-year improvement in the entire 8th grade on the state-mandated math standards test.
I never found out where one of the students was sent: I suspect some sort of "alternative school." The assistant principal didn't give details, and I didn't ask. But the other student was simply sent back to his home school- the school he would have attended according to boundaries the school district set. He had wanted to attend the school where I taught, and in this "open enrollment" school district he was able to do so. Due to his misbehavior he was sent back to his home school.
He was not the only student I had who chose to attend the school I taught- a school which had a bad reputation- instead of his home school, and who subsequently got sent back to his home school. Why would a student choose to move to a school with a bad reputation? I suspect that a student would choose to attend a school with a bad reputation because he figured he would be more likely to get away with misbehaving at a "bad" school instead of a "good" school.
Which shows that not all low achievers are stupid.
They aren’t all stupid. Some are just malevolent.