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From The Daily Caller:

Here’s How Two Twitter Pranksters Convinced The World That Pepe The Frog Meme Is Just A Front For White Nationalism

by JONAH BENNETT

National Security/Foreign Policy Reporter
4:43 PM 09/14/2016

Pepe the green frog meme’s unmitigated rise into pop culture came amid hysteria that the Internet cartoon is little more than a stand-in for white nationalism. But it turns out the original story that prompted the panic is more or less a complete troll job.

The Daily Beast’s Olivia Nuzzi wrote a piece in May striving to describe and trace the genesis of Pepe in the alt-right scene, a nascent, illiberal political movement focused on preserving white identity and Western civilization.

Here’s Olivia Nuzzi and her former boss Anthony Weiner:

In the process, Nuzzi just ended up repeating various made-up stories from the only two people she interviewed from “Frog Twitter”: Paul Town (@PaulTown_) and Jared Taylor Swift (@JaredTSwift). …

Since then, Pepe as white nationalist has become a meme of its own sort, circulated through liberal circles, cable networks and think pieces. Rounding out this tidal wave of whinery, Pepe made an appearance on Hillary Clinton’s own campaign site as part of an effort by the campaign to try to associate Donald Trump Jr. with white supremacy.

The explainer on Clinton’s site features a direct quote from Jared Taylor Swift, one of the two accounts Nuzzi interview for her story.

“[I]n recent months, Pepe’s been almost entirely co-opted by the white supremacists who call themselves the ‘alt-right.’ They’ve decided to take back Pepe by adding swastikas and other symbols of anti-Semitism and white supremacy,” Hillary Clinton’s explainer notes, quoting “prominent white supremacist” Swift from Nuzzi’s article: “We basically mixed Pepe in with Nazi propaganda, etc. We built that association.”

Months after flippantly giving that quote to Nuzzi, Swift is still having a good laugh about it.

“I think the most ridiculous thing is that a random guy on the internet who trolled a journalist once is now a ‘prominent white supremacist.’ …

Swift, this apparently prominent white supremacist, created his Twitter account in November 2015. His Twitter name is a tribute to Jared Taylor, a leading intellectual influence on the alt-right and founder of the magazine American Renaissance. Paul Town created his account in January 2016.

The troll consisted of Town and Swift feeding an outrageous narrative to Nuzzi in the hopes she would scoop it up and feature as many quotes as possible, which is a fairly common practice among various alt-right groups to gain in-group status.

For example, comedian Sam Hyde during a June interview with Forbes was able to slip in a reference to his “wife’s son,” which in context is a subtle reference to cuckoldry—again, another in-group joke used to mock people for some combination of either being in an open relationship or sacrificing one’s own interests for the sake of some illusory, fake moral ideal.

Private conversations between Frog Twitter and Olivia Nuzzi provided to TheDCNF show the extent of the troll, which started after she began the Swift interview with, “Can I ask you some stupid questions?”

Nuzzi quoted Paul Town describing how Frog Twitter met for drinks in 2015 to plot appropriating the Pepe meme for white nationalism. Frog Twitter then supposedly coordinated a group effort to seed the meme on various imageboards.

“There was no ‘plot’ to take a cartoon frog and make it a symbol of white supremacy,” Paul Town told TheDCNF. “That’s absurd on the face of it.”

It doesn’t get much better from there for Nuzzi’s narrative.

There was no Frog Twitter meetup — they did not meet for drinks to discuss green frogs. They did not plot in 2015. There was no group experiment. They did not coordinate efforts on /r9k/ or /pol/, two imageboards on 4chan and 8chan, where memes are born and subsequently end up in the public. Jared Taylor Swift says he isn’t actually 19. He doesn’t live on the West Coast. They didn’t turn Taylor Swift, the pop singer, into an “Aryan Goddess.”

And most importantly, it’s just not true that the biggest online supporters of Donald Trump are “white nationalists.”

“Basically, I interspersed various nuggets of truth and exaggerated a lot of things, and sometimes outright lied — in the interest of making a journalist believe that online Trump supporters are largely a group of meme-jihadis who use a cartoon frog to push Nazi propaganda. Because this was funny to me,” Swift told TheDCNF. …

Swift started Olivia’s interview with a hilarious, nonsensical and over-the-top description of Pepe, namely that “Most memes are ephemeral by nature, but Pepe is not. He’s a reflection of our souls, to most of us. It’s disgusting to see people (‘normies,’ if you will) use him so trivially. He belongs to us. And we’ll make him toxic if we have to.”

Swift provided the quote to Olivia just to see if she would print it. She did. …

“After the interview, Swift passed Olivia to Paul for him to pump more inside details of the “plot” behind Pepe. …

“I mean, imagine, some unknown high school twitter troll lying about the origins of a cartoon frog meme somehow made it onto a presidential campaign’s official website as a ‘prominent white supremacist.’ That’s insane,” Swift said.

TheDCNF reached out to Nuzzi for comment, she provided none by press time

One pattern you should be noticing a lot lately is all the projection by the Clinton Foundation types of conspiracies onto the high school kids on the Internet who are making fun of them. Jared Taylor Swift couldn’t meet for drinks with Paul Town (assuming they are different people) because he would be carded. But to the Clintonistas, of course it had to have been an organized conspiracy with meetings in dark bars to plot strategy. That’s how they do their conspiracies.

 
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  1. Publius Decius Mus follows up on his Flight 93 essay.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Sounds like he could use some air support.

    Target coordinates:

    http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/08/isnt-flight-93-election-mh370-election/

    https://twitter.com/DouthatNYT/status/773947623686434816

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/439859/flight-93-election-claremont-trump-piece-apocalyptic-rhetoric-overblown

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/439864/donald-trump-flight-93-analogy-overwrought-inaccurate

    http://www.redstate.com/aglanon/2016/09/08/flight-93-election-rush/
    http://www.dailywire.com/news/8985/widely-praised-flight-93-election-essay-dishonest-ben-shapiro
    , @BB753
    His follow-up piece is even better than the original one. The guy can write.
    , @L7's
    Could you please link to some pictures of the flight 93 wreckage for some reason I can't find any.
    , @Neil Templeton
    That man can argue.
    , @Romanian
    I still don't understand what happened to JAG. The partnership can split up, but why take down the postings? It's obvious this guy Decius still wants to write.
  2. I’m lukewarm on Clinton and I think she’s too secretive and makes a lot of unforced errors. But I still think she’s been unfairly persecuted by the Republican scandal machine and that she’s running this race in ten pound shoes because of pervasive sexism. And the liberal media us handling this shit ridiculously unfairly, especially the shitheel at the New York Times.

    • LOL: TomSchmidt, NickG
    • Replies: @anon
    you are running outta steam ,homie.
    i usually lol , but not that hard at your quips. this one is a 2/10.
    , @Jefferson
    "I’m lukewarm on Clinton and I think she’s too secretive and makes a lot of unforced errors."

    You should vote for Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, or Evan McMullin. Why does Never Trump always have to automatically mean a vote for Crooked Hildabeast?
    , @She's A Manfred Mann, Baby

    she’s running this race in ten pound shoes because of pervasive sexism
     
    Those are her shoes? Christ, I thought those were her cankles.
    , @Stephen R. Diamond

    And the liberal media us handling this shit ridiculously unfairly,
     
    Why on earth would the liberal media be unfair to Clinton?

    Maybe this is some sort of parody. If so, I agree that the fact that Democrats and Republicans both think the media has been unfair probably means they've been rather fair - if not terribly competent.
    , @Neil Templeton
    I'm beginning to think Tiny Duck is an algorithm.
    , @Forbes
    Define: unfairly.
    , @dc.sunsets

    she’s running this race in ten pound shoes
     
    Ah, now I see why she kicked off one of her shoes after the 9/11 memorial gig. Either that, or the folks carrying her to the van needed to lighten the load.
  3. The best is the thought of normies visiting HRC’s campaign website to see the doddering old mare going on about a racist cartoon frog.

    • Agree: laura r
  4. Dumb article. Yes, Nuzzi was trolled, but the Pepe meme did develop into a white nationalist symbol on the chan boards before migrating to Twitter, where it continues as such.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    That's a bit simplistic. He is sort of a mascot on 4-cyan, but he can be used to mock almost anything.

    Kids basically airbrush a Pepe character into any situation that is kind of funny. It's just that he became popular on the politically incorrect section of the board, so there are more right wing type scenarios.

    Just Google Pepe the Frog images… you will quickly get an idea of what is going on there…somewhat crude teenage humour.

    The fact that Hillary is even thinking about this frog cartoon shows me that she is really out of touch. She is an old lady trying to understand youth culture and getting it all mixed up.
    , @Obamadon_Imbecilis
    Pepe was also the most popular meme on Tumblr(not exactly a right wing site) as recently as 2015. Also treating him as a white nationalist symbol assumes that all the Trump people using said meme are actually white nationalists, which isn't true. Most Pepe images even on the alt right aren't more inflammatory than Trump himself(shown next to a border fence, with Trump hair, etc.) and of course the media cherrypicks the one with the oven to show off as proof of Pepe's evil. If Pepe is a white nationalist symbol simply because alt-righters on Twitter like him, then you'd also have to treat Taylor Swift, Harambe, and anime schoolgirls as white nationalist symbols. Declaring Pepe as exclusively a white nationalist symbol is classic leftist goalpost shifting to declare anything they don't like as "offensive" and therefore unacceptable.
    , @O'really
    This is demonstrably false. I first ran across Pepe a few years ago on basketball twitter, and came to realize that he has been popular on black twitter for much longer than WN twitter.

    Isn't it ironic, don't you think?
    , @guest
    Read that headline again. Notice the "just." How they were convinced a cartoon frog is JUST a front for white nationalism. Pepe is not even primarily a white nationalist symbol. You are way off-base.

    Should he become primarily an alt-right symbol going forward, that will have been the fault of Clinton and her media allies. But even then, it won't be just a white nationalist symbol. Because white nationalists are outnumbered on the alt-right, too.
  5. Pepe forever! Because he brings great sadness to our betters……

  6. >Because this was funny to me

    Hopefully someday there will be a Pepe monument on the national mall, with these great words carved in the base.

    • LOL: Broski
    • Replies: @anon
    Amen
  7. How two guys on twitter died in a fiery car wreck.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    In Fort Marcy Park. I take it they're not weightlifters?
  8. @Tiny Duck
    I'm lukewarm on Clinton and I think she's too secretive and makes a lot of unforced errors. But I still think she's been unfairly persecuted by the Republican scandal machine and that she's running this race in ten pound shoes because of pervasive sexism. And the liberal media us handling this shit ridiculously unfairly, especially the shitheel at the New York Times.

    you are running outta steam ,homie.
    i usually lol , but not that hard at your quips. this one is a 2/10.

    • Replies: @Joshua
    Yeah, his comment was a huge letdown. Get back into top form, Mr. Duck!
  9. @Tiny Duck
    I'm lukewarm on Clinton and I think she's too secretive and makes a lot of unforced errors. But I still think she's been unfairly persecuted by the Republican scandal machine and that she's running this race in ten pound shoes because of pervasive sexism. And the liberal media us handling this shit ridiculously unfairly, especially the shitheel at the New York Times.

    “I’m lukewarm on Clinton and I think she’s too secretive and makes a lot of unforced errors.”

    You should vote for Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, or Evan McMullin. Why does Never Trump always have to automatically mean a vote for Crooked Hildabeast?

  10. A sweet little guidette:

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    That's some magic photography on par with this:

    http://i.huffpost.com/gen/803255/images/o-DEBBIE-WASSERMAN-SCHULTZ-VOGUE-facebook.jpg
    , @Anonymous
    Olivia Nuzzi was an intern for Anthony Weiner.
    , @SteveRogers42
    Manjaw -- Exhibit A.
  11. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    There is a lot of this sort of stuff happening.

    That ‘Mizzu’ scandal of a few months ago was essentially a series of inside jokes designed to rile up the easily riled.

    The entire thing was literally a bunch of kids pranking leftists and blacks to do stupid things, just for giggles.

    • Replies: @Broski
    Never underestimate the power of the poop swastika.
    , @Thea
    Don't forget that wiley troll Jackie Coakley.
  12. What I don’t understand is when cuckholdery became something that isn’t worth/ doesn’t deserve to be mocked. I’m not saying I entirely get why it plays such an important role in the alt role iconography, but I mean King of the Hill spent 13 seasons mining that particular source of humor with poor unsuspecting Dale.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    Huh? The whole point of "cuckservative" as a label was this sort of mockery. The alt-right, emerging partially from the PUA movement, uses this insult all the time.

    Feminism keeps trying to make cuckoldery ok for females to do to men, but I think the instinctively male revulsion to it cannot be rationalized away.
    , @Broski
    Cuckoldry, and feminist defense of cuckoldry, is the perfect metaphor for the male condition circa 2016. It's the female form of rape. Thus discussion of cuckoldry is one of the taboos of the age, akin to discussing interracial rape statistics.
  13. “projection”

    I see Steve’s been reading Vox’s three rules of SJWs.

    I like the panic coming out of the corporate media and Hillary regarding everything and anything the alt-right does, including silly little cartoon trolls. It’s the kind of panic that a high school queen bee and her retinue of followers have when a new girl comes into the school and is effortlessly hotter and cooler than the reigning queen bee, and gets a group of girls around her who laugh at queen bee and co.

    Suddenly, queen bee’s followers are insecure and panic, worried that, instead of being part of the in-crowd, they are really the lowest of the low on the h.s. coolness totem pole. And queen bee goes absolutely crazy with any attack she can muster—“her shoes are weird! Her ears are slightly too small! Her notebooks have bad drawings in them!”—because losing her place at the top of the school hierarchy is devastating, as its the only thing she has ever wanted.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Suddenly, queen bee’s followers are insecure and panic, worried that, instead of being part of the in-crowd, they are really the lowest of the low on the h.s. coolness totem pole. And queen bee goes absolutely crazy with any attack she can muster—”her shoes are weird! Her ears are slightly too small! Her notebooks have bad drawings in them!”—because losing her place at the top of the school hierarchy is devastating, as its the only thing she has ever wanted."

    Referring to Crooked Hildabeast as Queen Bee is like referring to your great grandmother as Queen Bee.
    , @Anonymous
    People who are afraid of being hated, to the brink of deep incontrollable neurosis, think there are good reasons to hate them.

    A little group of these, deeply disturbed, is able to make a show of their (real) neurosis and paranoia on media and social media, especially Twitter and Quora. In-group cohesion, a wide set of willing lackeys, and the nervelessness of the general public allows the show.
    Season it with one or two drops of Zionism (that's best left implicit, however), and serve.

    Most successful dish of the day, and nobody seems to be getting tired of it.
  14. Illustrates that today’s “journalists” are happy to just print what they are told: little skepticism, not much additional research. Any flame-outs are just sluiced away as they go on to the next story and repeat the narrative.

  15. @Sam Haysom
    What I don't understand is when cuckholdery became something that isn't worth/ doesn't deserve to be mocked. I'm not saying I entirely get why it plays such an important role in the alt role iconography, but I mean King of the Hill spent 13 seasons mining that particular source of humor with poor unsuspecting Dale.

    Huh? The whole point of “cuckservative” as a label was this sort of mockery. The alt-right, emerging partially from the PUA movement, uses this insult all the time.

    Feminism keeps trying to make cuckoldery ok for females to do to men, but I think the instinctively male revulsion to it cannot be rationalized away.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    "Feminism keeps trying to make cuckoldery ok for females to do to men, but I think the instinctively male revulsion to it cannot be rationalized away."

    Yes. Many women like to see themselves and be seen as both victims and victimizers of men. Loathsome creatures.

    And the so-called justice system enables them every step of the way.
    , @Abe

    Huh? The whole point of “cuckservative” as a label was this sort of mockery. The alt-right, emerging partially from the PUA movement, uses this insult all the time.
     
    The Gribble Family backstory was probably the BEST sight-gag in sitcom history. Try to recall the first episode of KING OF THE HILL- pork-colored Dale is introduced, along with his pretty-as-a-pink-lady-apple wife, Nancy. Then Nancy's Navajo-Fabio" healer", John Redcorn (dark adobe-colored). Lots of hints dropped that these two good-looking people's relationship might be less than irreproachable, but you know how gossip in small towns can be. And then- BAM!- enter Joseph Gribble. With the show's primitive animation style and 8-bit color palette you know immediately who's son he is, without a further word being uttered.

    Like the one-note Boomhauer, though, this immediate pay-off/one-off joke became a real drag on the show as the series progressed. As the Gribbles became "real people" and not simply the butt of cheap jokes, the reality of the situation became pretty depressing, and so they "redeemed" it by having Dale man/cuck-up, and become the best father he could to Joseph.

    It's pretty much a fable for the transition to today's "Party of Lincoln", propositional, soft-disparate impact conservatism.
    , @ATX Hipster
    The sad thing is, there seem to be plenty of men happy to go along: http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/07/what-open-marriage-taught-one-man-about-feminism.html

    The TL;DR is this guy's wife informed him one day that their marriage was now an open one, and he's down with it because he's a feminist. He also quit working and describes himself as an "economically dependent househusband", but don't worry! His masculine self-image was just stretched, not broken.
  16. @Tiny Duck
    I'm lukewarm on Clinton and I think she's too secretive and makes a lot of unforced errors. But I still think she's been unfairly persecuted by the Republican scandal machine and that she's running this race in ten pound shoes because of pervasive sexism. And the liberal media us handling this shit ridiculously unfairly, especially the shitheel at the New York Times.

    she’s running this race in ten pound shoes because of pervasive sexism

    Those are her shoes? Christ, I thought those were her cankles.

  17. @anon
    you are running outta steam ,homie.
    i usually lol , but not that hard at your quips. this one is a 2/10.

    Yeah, his comment was a huge letdown. Get back into top form, Mr. Duck!

  18. @TangoMan
    Publius Decius Mus follows up on his Flight 93 essay.
    • Replies: @candid_observer
    I did a very quick look at those pieces decrying Decius' article.

    I performed a ctrl-F for "immigr", and found that only one of them even used the word -- the one by Ben Shapiro. And that piece was basically dishonest on the point -- acting as though standard issue conservatives have always been opposed to illegal immigration, and high immigration rates, and that Trump has not staked out a firm position on these points.

    What about the precise point Decius is arguing: that this election is of pivotal importance because of how immigration is inexorably tilting our demographics away from any form of conservatism?

    These are the shining lights of Conservatism, Inc.? They can't engage the central argument of Decius' article?

    Why even bother to refute these homunculi?

    They will die of their own irrelevance.
    , @Forbes
    It's a laundry list of cucks: Federalist, NR-twice, Redstate, Daily Wire--the school crossing guards of Conservatism Inc., who meanwhile have their lunch money stolen everyday by the prog-left. Tax and spend guardians of the warfare state when they occasionally occupy the seat of power, leaving the prog-left to be the guardians of the tax and spend welfare state.

    Is it any wonder the national debt approaches $20 trillion? Conservatives shouldn't have anything to do with this status quo travesty, but here, four outposts of GOPe get their panties in a twist over Trump because he doesn't score 'style points' in the demeanor and temperament category. Perhaps, unlike Romney and McCain, Trump wants to win the election--and do so just like the Dems, by whatever means necessary.
  19. @Anonymous
    A sweet little guidette:

    http://enewsdaily.info/now/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/olivia-nuzzi-facebook3.jpg

    That’s some magic photography on par with this:

  20. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Dumb article. Yes, Nuzzi was trolled, but the Pepe meme did develop into a white nationalist symbol on the chan boards before migrating to Twitter, where it continues as such.

    That’s a bit simplistic. He is sort of a mascot on 4-cyan, but he can be used to mock almost anything.

    Kids basically airbrush a Pepe character into any situation that is kind of funny. It’s just that he became popular on the politically incorrect section of the board, so there are more right wing type scenarios.

    Just Google Pepe the Frog images… you will quickly get an idea of what is going on there…somewhat crude teenage humour.

    The fact that Hillary is even thinking about this frog cartoon shows me that she is really out of touch. She is an old lady trying to understand youth culture and getting it all mixed up.

  21. @27 year old
    >Because this was funny to me

    Hopefully someday there will be a Pepe monument on the national mall, with these great words carved in the base.

    Amen

  22. @Anonymous
    Dumb article. Yes, Nuzzi was trolled, but the Pepe meme did develop into a white nationalist symbol on the chan boards before migrating to Twitter, where it continues as such.

    Pepe was also the most popular meme on Tumblr(not exactly a right wing site) as recently as 2015. Also treating him as a white nationalist symbol assumes that all the Trump people using said meme are actually white nationalists, which isn’t true. Most Pepe images even on the alt right aren’t more inflammatory than Trump himself(shown next to a border fence, with Trump hair, etc.) and of course the media cherrypicks the one with the oven to show off as proof of Pepe’s evil. If Pepe is a white nationalist symbol simply because alt-righters on Twitter like him, then you’d also have to treat Taylor Swift, Harambe, and anime schoolgirls as white nationalist symbols. Declaring Pepe as exclusively a white nationalist symbol is classic leftist goalpost shifting to declare anything they don’t like as “offensive” and therefore unacceptable.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    This is just intellectually dishonest. The swastika isn't "exclusively" a Nazi symbol either. It was used around the world for millenia, and its use continues today among Buddhists and others for example. This doesn't obviate the fact that in modern Western political history, it became primarily identified as a symbol of Nazis and related people. As facetious as it might seem, the Pepe meme has gained relevance and currency in contemporary politics as a white nationalist symbol, not as a cartoon for kids or for leftists on Tumblr.
  23. @TangoMan
    Publius Decius Mus follows up on his Flight 93 essay.

    His follow-up piece is even better than the original one. The guy can write.

    • Replies: @AnonAnon

    The guy can write.
     
    No, he cannot. The author is needlessly wordy and offers nothing original. I gave up trying to plow through his mounds of modifiers. I am truly puzzled why this essay is getting mentions at all. The quality of writing is second tier Alt-Right blogger level.
  24. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Boy, its just 1 PR F’up after another with Hillary lately. She catches a break from having to actually be in front of people, where her deterioration is visible, and what happens- her team goes and gets punk’d by some high school kids with too much time on their hand. They couldn’t tell that Jared Taylor Swift is a portmanteau of Jared Taylor and Taylor Swift? Or this Pepe the frog as a white nationalist symbol is a bit too over the top?

    Truth be told, they probably were just so eager to have dirt they could tenuously tie to Trump, that anything up to and including Trump being responsible for the collision of Andromeda galaxy and the Milky Way, billions of years from now. Now that that one’s out there, I wouldn’t be suprised to see a Marxist astronomer who supports Hillary, proposing it.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    Actually Trump is not responsible. Trump is simply a meme for Pepe, the carnal actual of the third coming.
    , @the cruncher
    Taylor Swift /is/ used as an Aryan Goddess among memers - way less common than Pepe of course, but there are a few, eg:

    http://imgur.com/a/wY8Ht

    So the 'Swift' on the end of his name wasn't random. There are a lot of other false attributions like that - though they're usually obvious enough to be funny. (A quickish search didn't find this quote for Swift.)

    A reminder of the joke an attendee at an NPI conference got away with 12-18 months ago, he called himself a 'soap entrepreneur' - I'll let you work that one out. It was reported in Time magazine.
  25. @Tiny Duck
    I'm lukewarm on Clinton and I think she's too secretive and makes a lot of unforced errors. But I still think she's been unfairly persecuted by the Republican scandal machine and that she's running this race in ten pound shoes because of pervasive sexism. And the liberal media us handling this shit ridiculously unfairly, especially the shitheel at the New York Times.

    And the liberal media us handling this shit ridiculously unfairly,

    Why on earth would the liberal media be unfair to Clinton?

    Maybe this is some sort of parody. If so, I agree that the fact that Democrats and Republicans both think the media has been unfair probably means they’ve been rather fair – if not terribly competent.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yeah, fair to a fault Steve.

    They are literally ADMITTING that can no longer fake fairness since Adolph Trump is a candidate.
  26. @whorefinder
    "projection"

    I see Steve's been reading Vox's three rules of SJWs.

    I like the panic coming out of the corporate media and Hillary regarding everything and anything the alt-right does, including silly little cartoon trolls. It's the kind of panic that a high school queen bee and her retinue of followers have when a new girl comes into the school and is effortlessly hotter and cooler than the reigning queen bee, and gets a group of girls around her who laugh at queen bee and co.

    Suddenly, queen bee's followers are insecure and panic, worried that, instead of being part of the in-crowd, they are really the lowest of the low on the h.s. coolness totem pole. And queen bee goes absolutely crazy with any attack she can muster---"her shoes are weird! Her ears are slightly too small! Her notebooks have bad drawings in them!"---because losing her place at the top of the school hierarchy is devastating, as its the only thing she has ever wanted.

    “Suddenly, queen bee’s followers are insecure and panic, worried that, instead of being part of the in-crowd, they are really the lowest of the low on the h.s. coolness totem pole. And queen bee goes absolutely crazy with any attack she can muster—”her shoes are weird! Her ears are slightly too small! Her notebooks have bad drawings in them!”—because losing her place at the top of the school hierarchy is devastating, as its the only thing she has ever wanted.”

    Referring to Crooked Hildabeast as Queen Bee is like referring to your great grandmother as Queen Bee.

    • Replies: @whorefinder

    Referring to Crooked Hildabeast as Queen Bee is like referring to your great grandmother as Queen Bee.
     
    Well, my grandmothers don't know a thing about email or classified documents, so there's that connection.
  27. @TangoMan
    Publius Decius Mus follows up on his Flight 93 essay.

    Could you please link to some pictures of the flight 93 wreckage for some reason I can’t find any.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Could you please link to some pictures of the flight 93 wreckage for some reason I can’t find any.
     
    Let them rest in peace?
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Could you please link to some pictures of the flight 93 wreckage for some reason I can’t find any."

    Since you are too stupid to use Google, here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93
    , @The most deplorable one
    OK, but can you please link to some pictures of the Wreckage of the US for some reason I can't find any.
  28. @TangoMan
    Publius Decius Mus follows up on his Flight 93 essay.

    That man can argue.

  29. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Obamadon_Imbecilis
    Pepe was also the most popular meme on Tumblr(not exactly a right wing site) as recently as 2015. Also treating him as a white nationalist symbol assumes that all the Trump people using said meme are actually white nationalists, which isn't true. Most Pepe images even on the alt right aren't more inflammatory than Trump himself(shown next to a border fence, with Trump hair, etc.) and of course the media cherrypicks the one with the oven to show off as proof of Pepe's evil. If Pepe is a white nationalist symbol simply because alt-righters on Twitter like him, then you'd also have to treat Taylor Swift, Harambe, and anime schoolgirls as white nationalist symbols. Declaring Pepe as exclusively a white nationalist symbol is classic leftist goalpost shifting to declare anything they don't like as "offensive" and therefore unacceptable.

    This is just intellectually dishonest. The swastika isn’t “exclusively” a Nazi symbol either. It was used around the world for millenia, and its use continues today among Buddhists and others for example. This doesn’t obviate the fact that in modern Western political history, it became primarily identified as a symbol of Nazis and related people. As facetious as it might seem, the Pepe meme has gained relevance and currency in contemporary politics as a white nationalist symbol, not as a cartoon for kids or for leftists on Tumblr.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    It's like talking to old people about the Internet. Literally no clue about Internet sub cultures.
    , @Obamadon_Imbecilis
    If you accept the premise that the alt-right as a political tendency begins and ends with white nationalism.
    , @Neil Templeton
    Symbols are important. People are important. Truth is important.
    , @SEATAF
    Yes, and Pepe had gained his white-nationalist associations well before the time Nuzzi was writing about him. If Nuzzi was trolled, it was only in some minor details, with one of the dudes telling a tale about how they met up to plot the Pepe takeover and another saying something he doesn't really mean. As for the Clinton campaign people, they aren't wrong, technically. But a presidential campaign slapping back at "deplorables" posters starring Donald and Pepe, well, even those of us who can't stand the alt right have to admit that's hilarious.
    , @anon
    This reminds me. There's a tattoo/piercing place near my house that has a Pepe sign on the wall. I need to go get a picture of it before someone takes it down.
  30. @Stephen R. Diamond

    And the liberal media us handling this shit ridiculously unfairly,
     
    Why on earth would the liberal media be unfair to Clinton?

    Maybe this is some sort of parody. If so, I agree that the fact that Democrats and Republicans both think the media has been unfair probably means they've been rather fair - if not terribly competent.

    Yeah, fair to a fault Steve.

    They are literally ADMITTING that can no longer fake fairness since Adolph Trump is a candidate.

  31. @Tiny Duck
    I'm lukewarm on Clinton and I think she's too secretive and makes a lot of unforced errors. But I still think she's been unfairly persecuted by the Republican scandal machine and that she's running this race in ten pound shoes because of pervasive sexism. And the liberal media us handling this shit ridiculously unfairly, especially the shitheel at the New York Times.

    I’m beginning to think Tiny Duck is an algorithm.

    • Replies: @Gato de la Biblioteca
    Just because he can't pass the Turing Test doesn't mean he isn't a real person.
  32. @Anonymous
    A sweet little guidette:

    http://enewsdaily.info/now/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/olivia-nuzzi-facebook3.jpg

    Olivia Nuzzi was an intern for Anthony Weiner.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/07/my-brunch-with-the-anthony-weiner-intern/278249/
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Good looking but obviously dumber than a box of rocks. Maybe that's the way Weiner likes them.
  33. I always thought that Nuzzi article had the early symptoms of “Rollingstonosis” to it… Without media malpractice, what news

  34. @Anonymous
    Olivia Nuzzi was an intern for Anthony Weiner.
    • Replies: @Vendetta
    https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/anthony-weiner-called-me-monica/
  35. @L7's
    Could you please link to some pictures of the flight 93 wreckage for some reason I can't find any.

    Could you please link to some pictures of the flight 93 wreckage for some reason I can’t find any.

    Let them rest in peace?

  36. @Jefferson
    "Suddenly, queen bee’s followers are insecure and panic, worried that, instead of being part of the in-crowd, they are really the lowest of the low on the h.s. coolness totem pole. And queen bee goes absolutely crazy with any attack she can muster—”her shoes are weird! Her ears are slightly too small! Her notebooks have bad drawings in them!”—because losing her place at the top of the school hierarchy is devastating, as its the only thing she has ever wanted."

    Referring to Crooked Hildabeast as Queen Bee is like referring to your great grandmother as Queen Bee.

    Referring to Crooked Hildabeast as Queen Bee is like referring to your great grandmother as Queen Bee.

    Well, my grandmothers don’t know a thing about email or classified documents, so there’s that connection.

  37. @anonymous
    There is a lot of this sort of stuff happening.

    That 'Mizzu' scandal of a few months ago was essentially a series of inside jokes designed to rile up the easily riled.

    The entire thing was literally a bunch of kids pranking leftists and blacks to do stupid things, just for giggles.

    Never underestimate the power of the poop swastika.

  38. We must dispel with this notion that Olivia did not know what she was doing.
    Olivia knew exactly what she was doing!

    We must dispel with this notion that Olivia did not know what she was doing.
    Olivia knew exactly what she was doing!

    We must dispel with this notion that Olivia did not know what she was doing.
    Olivia knew exactly what she was doing!

    We must dispel with this notion that Olivia did not know what she was doing.
    Olivia knew exactly what she was doing!

    We must dispel with this notion that Olivia did not know what she was doing.
    Olivia knew exactly what she was doing!

    #AltRightOlivia

  39. @Steve Sailer
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/07/my-brunch-with-the-anthony-weiner-intern/278249/
  40. @Sam Haysom
    What I don't understand is when cuckholdery became something that isn't worth/ doesn't deserve to be mocked. I'm not saying I entirely get why it plays such an important role in the alt role iconography, but I mean King of the Hill spent 13 seasons mining that particular source of humor with poor unsuspecting Dale.

    Cuckoldry, and feminist defense of cuckoldry, is the perfect metaphor for the male condition circa 2016. It’s the female form of rape. Thus discussion of cuckoldry is one of the taboos of the age, akin to discussing interracial rape statistics.

  41. @anonymous
    There is a lot of this sort of stuff happening.

    That 'Mizzu' scandal of a few months ago was essentially a series of inside jokes designed to rile up the easily riled.

    The entire thing was literally a bunch of kids pranking leftists and blacks to do stupid things, just for giggles.

    Don’t forget that wiley troll Jackie Coakley.

    • Replies: @Gato de la Biblioteca
    "I am Pepe Monahan - feels good, man!"
  42. @Anonymous
    This is just intellectually dishonest. The swastika isn't "exclusively" a Nazi symbol either. It was used around the world for millenia, and its use continues today among Buddhists and others for example. This doesn't obviate the fact that in modern Western political history, it became primarily identified as a symbol of Nazis and related people. As facetious as it might seem, the Pepe meme has gained relevance and currency in contemporary politics as a white nationalist symbol, not as a cartoon for kids or for leftists on Tumblr.

    It’s like talking to old people about the Internet. Literally no clue about Internet sub cultures.

  43. @Anonymous
    Boy, its just 1 PR F'up after another with Hillary lately. She catches a break from having to actually be in front of people, where her deterioration is visible, and what happens- her team goes and gets punk'd by some high school kids with too much time on their hand. They couldn't tell that Jared Taylor Swift is a portmanteau of Jared Taylor and Taylor Swift? Or this Pepe the frog as a white nationalist symbol is a bit too over the top?

    Truth be told, they probably were just so eager to have dirt they could tenuously tie to Trump, that anything up to and including Trump being responsible for the collision of Andromeda galaxy and the Milky Way, billions of years from now. Now that that one's out there, I wouldn't be suprised to see a Marxist astronomer who supports Hillary, proposing it.

    Actually Trump is not responsible. Trump is simply a meme for Pepe, the carnal actual of the third coming.

  44. @Anonymous
    This is just intellectually dishonest. The swastika isn't "exclusively" a Nazi symbol either. It was used around the world for millenia, and its use continues today among Buddhists and others for example. This doesn't obviate the fact that in modern Western political history, it became primarily identified as a symbol of Nazis and related people. As facetious as it might seem, the Pepe meme has gained relevance and currency in contemporary politics as a white nationalist symbol, not as a cartoon for kids or for leftists on Tumblr.

    If you accept the premise that the alt-right as a political tendency begins and ends with white nationalism.

  45. @BB753
    His follow-up piece is even better than the original one. The guy can write.

    The guy can write.

    No, he cannot. The author is needlessly wordy and offers nothing original. I gave up trying to plow through his mounds of modifiers. I am truly puzzled why this essay is getting mentions at all. The quality of writing is second tier Alt-Right blogger level.

    • Agree: Pat Hannagan
    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    Please provide examples to support your contest, with supporting argument, in order that I may reject all argument with TLDR, as you have.
    , @BB753
    Wordy? For an alt-righter? Have you read Mencius Moldbug? That's wordy.
    Our man Mus goes to the point with style and vigor.
    , @justanotherguywitha1911

    "No, he cannot. The author is needlessly wordy and offers nothing original. I gave up trying to plow through his mounds of modifiers. I am truly puzzled why this essay is getting mentions at all. The quality of writing is second tier Alt-Right blogger level."
     
    I was a NR poindexter for way to long. It is obvious who wrote this.

    Listen, we are living in what Jacques Barzun would call revolutionary times. I mean, was Spengler right? 1000 years and then call it a day? Or can a CULTURE be reborn??

    Listen, I'm an old punk and I sometimes miss the world that was so hard, I cry. Many of us do. Steve does, I'm sure. But hey, Maybe Declan MacManus has one last album in him.

    I can only say this: 2016. The year when it all changed. The name of the blog:

    iSteve

    Finally --- screw the green frog stuff. How much crap can we take. How much piss can they bottle and tells to drink because it is good for our souls. Neo-pagan puritans. Seriously, guys and, errrr ... Lagethertha and Kylie. CAT FIGHT!!

    Sorry, the point is:

    THROW IT....

    THROW IT...

    THROW IT...

    Well, you know

    https://youtu.be/gAYL5H46QnQ

  46. “political movement focused on preserving white identity and Western civilization.”

    I dare say we have broken out of the bubble.

  47. “……….the alt-right scene, a nascent, illiberal political movement focused on preserving white identity and Western civilization.”

    Those dastardly alt-rightists! Interested in preserving western civilization. How,……how,……. illiberal!

  48. @Anonymous
    This is just intellectually dishonest. The swastika isn't "exclusively" a Nazi symbol either. It was used around the world for millenia, and its use continues today among Buddhists and others for example. This doesn't obviate the fact that in modern Western political history, it became primarily identified as a symbol of Nazis and related people. As facetious as it might seem, the Pepe meme has gained relevance and currency in contemporary politics as a white nationalist symbol, not as a cartoon for kids or for leftists on Tumblr.

    Symbols are important. People are important. Truth is important.

  49. @L7's
    Could you please link to some pictures of the flight 93 wreckage for some reason I can't find any.

    “Could you please link to some pictures of the flight 93 wreckage for some reason I can’t find any.”

    Since you are too stupid to use Google, here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93

  50. @whorefinder
    Huh? The whole point of "cuckservative" as a label was this sort of mockery. The alt-right, emerging partially from the PUA movement, uses this insult all the time.

    Feminism keeps trying to make cuckoldery ok for females to do to men, but I think the instinctively male revulsion to it cannot be rationalized away.

    “Feminism keeps trying to make cuckoldery ok for females to do to men, but I think the instinctively male revulsion to it cannot be rationalized away.”

    Yes. Many women like to see themselves and be seen as both victims and victimizers of men. Loathsome creatures.

    And the so-called justice system enables them every step of the way.

  51. @AnonAnon

    The guy can write.
     
    No, he cannot. The author is needlessly wordy and offers nothing original. I gave up trying to plow through his mounds of modifiers. I am truly puzzled why this essay is getting mentions at all. The quality of writing is second tier Alt-Right blogger level.

    Please provide examples to support your contest, with supporting argument, in order that I may reject all argument with TLDR, as you have.

  52. • Replies: @Anonymous
    Man, you know now Miley Cyrus is wishing she'd caught some of that deplorable-Aryan-icon heat...
  53. The funniest part is “Paul Town” is an Orthodox rabbi irl.

  54. How will history teachers a generation from now explain this?

    • Replies: @anon
    They'll say "you kids know how elections are run today, right - well 2016 was the first time they were run like that."
  55. @AnonAnon

    The guy can write.
     
    No, he cannot. The author is needlessly wordy and offers nothing original. I gave up trying to plow through his mounds of modifiers. I am truly puzzled why this essay is getting mentions at all. The quality of writing is second tier Alt-Right blogger level.

    Wordy? For an alt-righter? Have you read Mencius Moldbug? That’s wordy.
    Our man Mus goes to the point with style and vigor.

  56. @L7's
    Could you please link to some pictures of the flight 93 wreckage for some reason I can't find any.

    OK, but can you please link to some pictures of the Wreckage of the US for some reason I can’t find any.

  57. @Anonymous
    This is just intellectually dishonest. The swastika isn't "exclusively" a Nazi symbol either. It was used around the world for millenia, and its use continues today among Buddhists and others for example. This doesn't obviate the fact that in modern Western political history, it became primarily identified as a symbol of Nazis and related people. As facetious as it might seem, the Pepe meme has gained relevance and currency in contemporary politics as a white nationalist symbol, not as a cartoon for kids or for leftists on Tumblr.

    Yes, and Pepe had gained his white-nationalist associations well before the time Nuzzi was writing about him. If Nuzzi was trolled, it was only in some minor details, with one of the dudes telling a tale about how they met up to plot the Pepe takeover and another saying something he doesn’t really mean. As for the Clinton campaign people, they aren’t wrong, technically. But a presidential campaign slapping back at “deplorables” posters starring Donald and Pepe, well, even those of us who can’t stand the alt right have to admit that’s hilarious.

  58. @Thea
    Don't forget that wiley troll Jackie Coakley.

    “I am Pepe Monahan – feels good, man!”

  59. @Desiderius
    Sounds like he could use some air support.

    Target coordinates:

    http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/08/isnt-flight-93-election-mh370-election/

    https://twitter.com/DouthatNYT/status/773947623686434816

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/439859/flight-93-election-claremont-trump-piece-apocalyptic-rhetoric-overblown

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/439864/donald-trump-flight-93-analogy-overwrought-inaccurate

    http://www.redstate.com/aglanon/2016/09/08/flight-93-election-rush/
    http://www.dailywire.com/news/8985/widely-praised-flight-93-election-essay-dishonest-ben-shapiro

    I did a very quick look at those pieces decrying Decius’ article.

    I performed a ctrl-F for “immigr”, and found that only one of them even used the word — the one by Ben Shapiro. And that piece was basically dishonest on the point — acting as though standard issue conservatives have always been opposed to illegal immigration, and high immigration rates, and that Trump has not staked out a firm position on these points.

    What about the precise point Decius is arguing: that this election is of pivotal importance because of how immigration is inexorably tilting our demographics away from any form of conservatism?

    These are the shining lights of Conservatism, Inc.? They can’t engage the central argument of Decius’ article?

    Why even bother to refute these homunculi?

    They will die of their own irrelevance.

    • Replies: @guest
    Shampooro is right, they have been. The GOPe and Conservatism, Inc. were lying. Their constituency was bamboozled. Much like the protectionists and anti-imperialists whose votes and money they counted upon, they were happy to include them in the Big Tent, so long as they weren't required to give a fig about what supposedly mattered to them.

    Now, plenty of the drones have figured out they were being ignored, and have thrown in with the non-Republican-Republican Trump. For-Realz Conservatives call back, "Where are you going? We were with you all along!" But by this point no one cares, even if there is common ground. Because the term "conservative" is in the trash and nobody but those with paychecks tied directly to it give a crap.

    , @guest
    "They can't engage the central argument of Decius' article?"

    Do liberals engage the central arguments of Global Warming "deniers?" No. Let's assume Conservatism, Inc. can shoot down the Flight '93 article, with more than platitudes. They'd still have a motive not to, for fear of publicizing his ideas.

    Not that it's conscious on their part. I imagine it works the same way PC mind prison works. They have their little bubble, at NR or wherever, and alt-right arguments are like rats scurrying across the floor. "Eeek! Nationalism!"

  60. @Neil Templeton
    I'm beginning to think Tiny Duck is an algorithm.

    Just because he can’t pass the Turing Test doesn’t mean he isn’t a real person.

  61. Meanwhile, some are noticing that criticizing Clinton or drawing attention to problems can be a career limiting move:

    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/5-journalists-fired-criticizing-hillary-clinton/ri16445

  62. I am ashamed, as a former white-hat troll in the 1990’s, but now a respectable citizen, that I did not remember all the details of Pepe.

    He has lived, for years and years, as a loved creature, known for saying “feels good man” as justification for various crazy and hedonistic pursuits.

    Now, he has arisen from this lowly station, to be the symbol of the fact that in your heart, you know Trump will be better than Hillary. That, more than liking Trump the man, you will vote for him as a symbol of most maximally disapproving of “Invade the World, Invite the World.”

    This is absolutely vital reading:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepe_the_Frog

    If you are over the age of 18, or really 30, and of stable mind, you should read further details here:

    https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Pepe

    Pepe is key, I endorse him. I think Steve is coming around too.

  63. @AnonAnon

    The guy can write.
     
    No, he cannot. The author is needlessly wordy and offers nothing original. I gave up trying to plow through his mounds of modifiers. I am truly puzzled why this essay is getting mentions at all. The quality of writing is second tier Alt-Right blogger level.

    “No, he cannot. The author is needlessly wordy and offers nothing original. I gave up trying to plow through his mounds of modifiers. I am truly puzzled why this essay is getting mentions at all. The quality of writing is second tier Alt-Right blogger level.”

    I was a NR poindexter for way to long. It is obvious who wrote this.

    Listen, we are living in what Jacques Barzun would call revolutionary times. I mean, was Spengler right? 1000 years and then call it a day? Or can a CULTURE be reborn??

    Listen, I’m an old punk and I sometimes miss the world that was so hard, I cry. Many of us do. Steve does, I’m sure. But hey, Maybe Declan MacManus has one last album in him.

    I can only say this: 2016. The year when it all changed. The name of the blog:

    iSteve

    Finally — screw the green frog stuff. How much crap can we take. How much piss can they bottle and tells to drink because it is good for our souls. Neo-pagan puritans. Seriously, guys and, errrr … Lagethertha and Kylie. CAT FIGHT!!

    Sorry, the point is:

    THROW IT….

    THROW IT…

    THROW IT…

    Well, you know

  64. @Thea
    How will history teachers a generation from now explain this?

    They’ll say “you kids know how elections are run today, right – well 2016 was the first time they were run like that.”

  65. @Anonymous
    A sweet little guidette:

    http://enewsdaily.info/now/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/olivia-nuzzi-facebook3.jpg

    Manjaw — Exhibit A.

  66. @Thirdtwin
    How two guys on twitter died in a fiery car wreck.

    In Fort Marcy Park. I take it they’re not weightlifters?

  67. Can we stop using the term alt-right? I hate how imprecise it was. The right half of the political spectrum already has for a long time had plenty of nice, refine, precise terms. Steve is an intellectual leader by popularizing citizenism, which I fully endorse as an improvement to our current system. I disagree with him here and there on the margins, but this is a fine system he proposes.

    We also have the fine terms paleocon, libertarian, paleolibertarian, classical liberal, and right-libertarian, and left-libertarian.

    I like the terms used. I like a precise label to distinguish the fine writing of iSteve (citizenist), Pinker (left-libertarian), Pat Buchanan (paleoconservative), John Locke (classical liberal), and Hans Hermann-Hoppe (paleolibertarian), and Richard Posner (right-libertarian).

    There are a lot of fine old intellectual traditions on the right that are strongly opposed to Bushism/Ryanism/Invade the world-invite the world). Grouping them together as “alt-right” together with the Richard Spencer Haircut I think kind of provides unwarranted dignity to Bush-Clitonism, which I think is aberrant and abhorrent to all of these fine old philosophies who are not in need of new labels. Multiple land wars in Asia and mass migration from the poorest and most dysfunctional parts of the world are both horrible ideas the American right should be united against. There really is nothing “alt” about it.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Can we stop using the term alt-right?
     
    Not yet:

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/the-national-press-club-james-watson-the-clintocalypse-clampdown-what-unites-the-alt-right-is-resistance-to-lies

    Hat tip: Roissy and Frankfurt

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/category/pretty-lies/

    http://press.princeton.edu/titles/7929.html
    , @anon

    Can we stop using the term alt-right? I hate how imprecise it was.
     
    I love how imprecise it is - 4th gen political warfare.
    , @the cruncher
    Richard Spencer and Millennial Woes were talking about this a few days ago, here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8X0NMmZAc8&t=31m50s - through about 35mins

    (though I recommend the whole thing). The argument is that /being confusing/ makes it harder to dismiss, and forces people to approach it with more of an open mind. My own addition: it forces them to spend more time thinking about it and perhaps the issues around it.

    , @Broski
    Then we need a better term than "Alt-Right." I don't know why Spencer's blog should get the name of the movement. I do think there is something to the alt-right very much alternative to any mainstream right that existed ca. 2008.
  68. @Lot
    Can we stop using the term alt-right? I hate how imprecise it was. The right half of the political spectrum already has for a long time had plenty of nice, refine, precise terms. Steve is an intellectual leader by popularizing citizenism, which I fully endorse as an improvement to our current system. I disagree with him here and there on the margins, but this is a fine system he proposes.

    We also have the fine terms paleocon, libertarian, paleolibertarian, classical liberal, and right-libertarian, and left-libertarian.

    I like the terms used. I like a precise label to distinguish the fine writing of iSteve (citizenist), Pinker (left-libertarian), Pat Buchanan (paleoconservative), John Locke (classical liberal), and Hans Hermann-Hoppe (paleolibertarian), and Richard Posner (right-libertarian).

    There are a lot of fine old intellectual traditions on the right that are strongly opposed to Bushism/Ryanism/Invade the world-invite the world). Grouping them together as "alt-right" together with the Richard Spencer Haircut I think kind of provides unwarranted dignity to Bush-Clitonism, which I think is aberrant and abhorrent to all of these fine old philosophies who are not in need of new labels. Multiple land wars in Asia and mass migration from the poorest and most dysfunctional parts of the world are both horrible ideas the American right should be united against. There really is nothing "alt" about it.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Watson is a man I like. Crick too! Roissy says hateful things about women, I don't like that. There is so much bile, I don't like it at all. I like the fair sex.

    [Edit: Roissy is still better than Ryan.]

  69. @Lot
    Can we stop using the term alt-right? I hate how imprecise it was. The right half of the political spectrum already has for a long time had plenty of nice, refine, precise terms. Steve is an intellectual leader by popularizing citizenism, which I fully endorse as an improvement to our current system. I disagree with him here and there on the margins, but this is a fine system he proposes.

    We also have the fine terms paleocon, libertarian, paleolibertarian, classical liberal, and right-libertarian, and left-libertarian.

    I like the terms used. I like a precise label to distinguish the fine writing of iSteve (citizenist), Pinker (left-libertarian), Pat Buchanan (paleoconservative), John Locke (classical liberal), and Hans Hermann-Hoppe (paleolibertarian), and Richard Posner (right-libertarian).

    There are a lot of fine old intellectual traditions on the right that are strongly opposed to Bushism/Ryanism/Invade the world-invite the world). Grouping them together as "alt-right" together with the Richard Spencer Haircut I think kind of provides unwarranted dignity to Bush-Clitonism, which I think is aberrant and abhorrent to all of these fine old philosophies who are not in need of new labels. Multiple land wars in Asia and mass migration from the poorest and most dysfunctional parts of the world are both horrible ideas the American right should be united against. There really is nothing "alt" about it.

    Can we stop using the term alt-right? I hate how imprecise it was.

    I love how imprecise it is – 4th gen political warfare.

    • Replies: @Lot

    I love how imprecise it is – 4th gen political warfare.
     
    We don't need to be imprecise because we are in the right.
  70. @Anonymous
    Dumb article. Yes, Nuzzi was trolled, but the Pepe meme did develop into a white nationalist symbol on the chan boards before migrating to Twitter, where it continues as such.

    This is demonstrably false. I first ran across Pepe a few years ago on basketball twitter, and came to realize that he has been popular on black twitter for much longer than WN twitter.

    Isn’t it ironic, don’t you think?

    • Replies: @meh

    This is demonstrably false. I first ran across Pepe a few years ago on basketball twitter, and came to realize that he has been popular on black twitter for much longer than WN twitter.
     
    Maybe you weren't aware of it, but Pepe was also on the WN/alt-right scene a few years ago too, on /pol/ and elsewhere; not everything revolves around what you happen to notice on Twitter. At best Pepe has been in use at the same time in many very different groups; it has not been popular "for much longer" anywhere.
  71. @Anonymous
    This is just intellectually dishonest. The swastika isn't "exclusively" a Nazi symbol either. It was used around the world for millenia, and its use continues today among Buddhists and others for example. This doesn't obviate the fact that in modern Western political history, it became primarily identified as a symbol of Nazis and related people. As facetious as it might seem, the Pepe meme has gained relevance and currency in contemporary politics as a white nationalist symbol, not as a cartoon for kids or for leftists on Tumblr.

    This reminds me. There’s a tattoo/piercing place near my house that has a Pepe sign on the wall. I need to go get a picture of it before someone takes it down.

  72. @Anonymous
    Boy, its just 1 PR F'up after another with Hillary lately. She catches a break from having to actually be in front of people, where her deterioration is visible, and what happens- her team goes and gets punk'd by some high school kids with too much time on their hand. They couldn't tell that Jared Taylor Swift is a portmanteau of Jared Taylor and Taylor Swift? Or this Pepe the frog as a white nationalist symbol is a bit too over the top?

    Truth be told, they probably were just so eager to have dirt they could tenuously tie to Trump, that anything up to and including Trump being responsible for the collision of Andromeda galaxy and the Milky Way, billions of years from now. Now that that one's out there, I wouldn't be suprised to see a Marxist astronomer who supports Hillary, proposing it.

    Taylor Swift /is/ used as an Aryan Goddess among memers – way less common than Pepe of course, but there are a few, eg:

    View post on imgur.com

    So the ‘Swift’ on the end of his name wasn’t random. There are a lot of other false attributions like that – though they’re usually obvious enough to be funny. (A quickish search didn’t find this quote for Swift.)

    A reminder of the joke an attendee at an NPI conference got away with 12-18 months ago, he called himself a ‘soap entrepreneur’ – I’ll let you work that one out. It was reported in Time magazine.

    • Replies: @anon
    A reminder of the joke an attendee at an NPI conference got away with 12-18 months ago, he called himself a ‘soap entrepreneur’

    I was always a little amazed at how Fight Club got away with that joke without anyone flying into hysterics.
    , @Broski
    Whoa. Talk about compelling propaganda.
  73. @anon

    Can we stop using the term alt-right? I hate how imprecise it was.
     
    I love how imprecise it is - 4th gen political warfare.

    I love how imprecise it is – 4th gen political warfare.

    We don’t need to be imprecise because we are in the right.

  74. @the cruncher
    Taylor Swift /is/ used as an Aryan Goddess among memers - way less common than Pepe of course, but there are a few, eg:

    http://imgur.com/a/wY8Ht

    So the 'Swift' on the end of his name wasn't random. There are a lot of other false attributions like that - though they're usually obvious enough to be funny. (A quickish search didn't find this quote for Swift.)

    A reminder of the joke an attendee at an NPI conference got away with 12-18 months ago, he called himself a 'soap entrepreneur' - I'll let you work that one out. It was reported in Time magazine.

    A reminder of the joke an attendee at an NPI conference got away with 12-18 months ago, he called himself a ‘soap entrepreneur’

    I was always a little amazed at how Fight Club got away with that joke without anyone flying into hysterics.

  75. @Lot
    Can we stop using the term alt-right? I hate how imprecise it was. The right half of the political spectrum already has for a long time had plenty of nice, refine, precise terms. Steve is an intellectual leader by popularizing citizenism, which I fully endorse as an improvement to our current system. I disagree with him here and there on the margins, but this is a fine system he proposes.

    We also have the fine terms paleocon, libertarian, paleolibertarian, classical liberal, and right-libertarian, and left-libertarian.

    I like the terms used. I like a precise label to distinguish the fine writing of iSteve (citizenist), Pinker (left-libertarian), Pat Buchanan (paleoconservative), John Locke (classical liberal), and Hans Hermann-Hoppe (paleolibertarian), and Richard Posner (right-libertarian).

    There are a lot of fine old intellectual traditions on the right that are strongly opposed to Bushism/Ryanism/Invade the world-invite the world). Grouping them together as "alt-right" together with the Richard Spencer Haircut I think kind of provides unwarranted dignity to Bush-Clitonism, which I think is aberrant and abhorrent to all of these fine old philosophies who are not in need of new labels. Multiple land wars in Asia and mass migration from the poorest and most dysfunctional parts of the world are both horrible ideas the American right should be united against. There really is nothing "alt" about it.

    Richard Spencer and Millennial Woes were talking about this a few days ago, here:

    – through about 35mins

    (though I recommend the whole thing). The argument is that /being confusing/ makes it harder to dismiss, and forces people to approach it with more of an open mind. My own addition: it forces them to spend more time thinking about it and perhaps the issues around it.

    • Replies: @Lot

    The argument is that /being confusing/ makes it harder to dismiss
     
    Wow, out of three replies, two say "alt-right" is good because it is confusing.

    Sorry but I have a higher opinion of the American people, I think they will do right when less confused, not more.

    Hillary and Jeb both represent and are personally part of a corrupt political class that should be removed from power completely. Land wars in Asia and third world mass migration are both really bad ideas, Bush-Clinton own them, they can no longer run the country after being so wrong and at so great a cost.
  76. @Desiderius

    Can we stop using the term alt-right?
     
    Not yet:

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/the-national-press-club-james-watson-the-clintocalypse-clampdown-what-unites-the-alt-right-is-resistance-to-lies

    Hat tip: Roissy and Frankfurt

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/category/pretty-lies/

    http://press.princeton.edu/titles/7929.html

    Watson is a man I like. Crick too! Roissy says hateful things about women, I don’t like that. There is so much bile, I don’t like it at all. I like the fair sex.

    [Edit: Roissy is still better than Ryan.]

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Roissy says hateful things about women, I don’t like that. There is so much bile, I don’t like it at all. I like the fair sex.
     
    Roissy says hateful things about everyone. That one has to go to him for truth is an indictment of the excruciating cowardice of our "good" men, one and all.

    See:

    "As he was now approaching the path down from the Mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to praise God joyfully with a loud voice for all the deeds of power that they had seen, saying,

    'Blessed is the king
    who comes in the name of the Lord!
    Peace in heaven,
    and glory in the highest heaven!'

    Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to him, 'Teacher, order your disciples to stop.' He answered, 'I tell you, if these were silent, the stones would shout out.'"

    - Matthew 19

    Roissy is a stone. The truth will out.
    , @Desiderius

    Edit: Roissy is still better than Ryan.
     
    Speaker Ryan? Yeah, that's about the size of it. Biden AMOGed Ryan hard.
    , @Thea
    I'm a woman who has read and enjoyed Roissy over a decade. He says true things about women.
    , @StAugustine
    To crooked eyes, truth may wear a wry face.
  77. @the cruncher
    Richard Spencer and Millennial Woes were talking about this a few days ago, here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8X0NMmZAc8&t=31m50s - through about 35mins

    (though I recommend the whole thing). The argument is that /being confusing/ makes it harder to dismiss, and forces people to approach it with more of an open mind. My own addition: it forces them to spend more time thinking about it and perhaps the issues around it.

    The argument is that /being confusing/ makes it harder to dismiss

    Wow, out of three replies, two say “alt-right” is good because it is confusing.

    Sorry but I have a higher opinion of the American people, I think they will do right when less confused, not more.

    Hillary and Jeb both represent and are personally part of a corrupt political class that should be removed from power completely. Land wars in Asia and third world mass migration are both really bad ideas, Bush-Clinton own them, they can no longer run the country after being so wrong and at so great a cost.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Wow, out of three replies, two say “alt-right” is good because it is confusing.
     
    Confusing in the sense that camouflage and stealth are confusing to those wishing one harm. The distinctions between the motte and the bailey are deliberately blurry, but not indistinguishable for those with the eyes of good faith.
    , @Broski

    Hillary and Jeb both represent and are personally part of a corrupt political class that should be removed from power completely. Land wars in Asia and third world mass migration are both really bad ideas, Bush-Clinton own them, they can no longer run the country after being so wrong and at so great a cost.
     
    We spend the better part of $1 Trillion every year on military stuff (humans and the world's most advanced machines) that gets obsolete continually. There must always be an arena to impose the nation's capital and labor expenditures. Thus it can be tested while it expresses our might before continual replacement.
    , @The Millennial Falcon
    The imprecision is good argument stems from a belief that the American people have already largely been lost, and that waging conventional culture warfare is doomed to fail or at the very least insufficient. Basically the plot from The Patriot.
    , @Cloudbuster
    Your high opinion is mistaken.

    https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/09/the-importance-of-rhetoric.html
  78. @Lot

    The argument is that /being confusing/ makes it harder to dismiss
     
    Wow, out of three replies, two say "alt-right" is good because it is confusing.

    Sorry but I have a higher opinion of the American people, I think they will do right when less confused, not more.

    Hillary and Jeb both represent and are personally part of a corrupt political class that should be removed from power completely. Land wars in Asia and third world mass migration are both really bad ideas, Bush-Clinton own them, they can no longer run the country after being so wrong and at so great a cost.

    Wow, out of three replies, two say “alt-right” is good because it is confusing.

    Confusing in the sense that camouflage and stealth are confusing to those wishing one harm. The distinctions between the motte and the bailey are deliberately blurry, but not indistinguishable for those with the eyes of good faith.

    • Replies: @Lot

    The distinctions between the motte and the bailey are deliberately blurry, but not indistinguishable for those with the eyes of good faith.
     
    I think the term "alt-right" creates needless confusion in elite discourse too. Speaking in code is overrated. For popular discourse, Trump is a true blue Reagan conservative who will make America great again.
  79. @Lot
    Watson is a man I like. Crick too! Roissy says hateful things about women, I don't like that. There is so much bile, I don't like it at all. I like the fair sex.

    [Edit: Roissy is still better than Ryan.]

    Roissy says hateful things about women, I don’t like that. There is so much bile, I don’t like it at all. I like the fair sex.

    Roissy says hateful things about everyone. That one has to go to him for truth is an indictment of the excruciating cowardice of our “good” men, one and all.

    See:

    “As he was now approaching the path down from the Mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to praise God joyfully with a loud voice for all the deeds of power that they had seen, saying,

    ‘Blessed is the king
    who comes in the name of the Lord!
    Peace in heaven,
    and glory in the highest heaven!’

    Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to him, ‘Teacher, order your disciples to stop.’ He answered, ‘I tell you, if these were silent, the stones would shout out.’”

    – Matthew 19

    Roissy is a stone. The truth will out.

  80. @whorefinder
    Huh? The whole point of "cuckservative" as a label was this sort of mockery. The alt-right, emerging partially from the PUA movement, uses this insult all the time.

    Feminism keeps trying to make cuckoldery ok for females to do to men, but I think the instinctively male revulsion to it cannot be rationalized away.

    Huh? The whole point of “cuckservative” as a label was this sort of mockery. The alt-right, emerging partially from the PUA movement, uses this insult all the time.

    The Gribble Family backstory was probably the BEST sight-gag in sitcom history. Try to recall the first episode of KING OF THE HILL- pork-colored Dale is introduced, along with his pretty-as-a-pink-lady-apple wife, Nancy. Then Nancy’s Navajo-Fabio” healer”, John Redcorn (dark adobe-colored). Lots of hints dropped that these two good-looking people’s relationship might be less than irreproachable, but you know how gossip in small towns can be. And then- BAM!- enter Joseph Gribble. With the show’s primitive animation style and 8-bit color palette you know immediately who’s son he is, without a further word being uttered.

    Like the one-note Boomhauer, though, this immediate pay-off/one-off joke became a real drag on the show as the series progressed. As the Gribbles became “real people” and not simply the butt of cheap jokes, the reality of the situation became pretty depressing, and so they “redeemed” it by having Dale man/cuck-up, and become the best father he could to Joseph.

    It’s pretty much a fable for the transition to today’s “Party of Lincoln”, propositional, soft-disparate impact conservatism.

  81. @Lot
    Watson is a man I like. Crick too! Roissy says hateful things about women, I don't like that. There is so much bile, I don't like it at all. I like the fair sex.

    [Edit: Roissy is still better than Ryan.]

    Edit: Roissy is still better than Ryan.

    Speaker Ryan? Yeah, that’s about the size of it. Biden AMOGed Ryan hard.

  82. @Lot
    Can we stop using the term alt-right? I hate how imprecise it was. The right half of the political spectrum already has for a long time had plenty of nice, refine, precise terms. Steve is an intellectual leader by popularizing citizenism, which I fully endorse as an improvement to our current system. I disagree with him here and there on the margins, but this is a fine system he proposes.

    We also have the fine terms paleocon, libertarian, paleolibertarian, classical liberal, and right-libertarian, and left-libertarian.

    I like the terms used. I like a precise label to distinguish the fine writing of iSteve (citizenist), Pinker (left-libertarian), Pat Buchanan (paleoconservative), John Locke (classical liberal), and Hans Hermann-Hoppe (paleolibertarian), and Richard Posner (right-libertarian).

    There are a lot of fine old intellectual traditions on the right that are strongly opposed to Bushism/Ryanism/Invade the world-invite the world). Grouping them together as "alt-right" together with the Richard Spencer Haircut I think kind of provides unwarranted dignity to Bush-Clitonism, which I think is aberrant and abhorrent to all of these fine old philosophies who are not in need of new labels. Multiple land wars in Asia and mass migration from the poorest and most dysfunctional parts of the world are both horrible ideas the American right should be united against. There really is nothing "alt" about it.

    Then we need a better term than “Alt-Right.” I don’t know why Spencer’s blog should get the name of the movement. I do think there is something to the alt-right very much alternative to any mainstream right that existed ca. 2008.

  83. @the cruncher
    Taylor Swift /is/ used as an Aryan Goddess among memers - way less common than Pepe of course, but there are a few, eg:

    http://imgur.com/a/wY8Ht

    So the 'Swift' on the end of his name wasn't random. There are a lot of other false attributions like that - though they're usually obvious enough to be funny. (A quickish search didn't find this quote for Swift.)

    A reminder of the joke an attendee at an NPI conference got away with 12-18 months ago, he called himself a 'soap entrepreneur' - I'll let you work that one out. It was reported in Time magazine.

    Whoa. Talk about compelling propaganda.

  84. @Desiderius

    Wow, out of three replies, two say “alt-right” is good because it is confusing.
     
    Confusing in the sense that camouflage and stealth are confusing to those wishing one harm. The distinctions between the motte and the bailey are deliberately blurry, but not indistinguishable for those with the eyes of good faith.

    The distinctions between the motte and the bailey are deliberately blurry, but not indistinguishable for those with the eyes of good faith.

    I think the term “alt-right” creates needless confusion in elite discourse too. Speaking in code is overrated. For popular discourse, Trump is a true blue Reagan conservative who will make America great again.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    The problem(among many) is that we need a lot of folks on board who either didn't like Reagan or have no memory of him. Plus the bad guys already know how to deal with, and neutralize, Reagan nostalgia. Alt-right gets into their OODA loop.
  85. @Lot

    The argument is that /being confusing/ makes it harder to dismiss
     
    Wow, out of three replies, two say "alt-right" is good because it is confusing.

    Sorry but I have a higher opinion of the American people, I think they will do right when less confused, not more.

    Hillary and Jeb both represent and are personally part of a corrupt political class that should be removed from power completely. Land wars in Asia and third world mass migration are both really bad ideas, Bush-Clinton own them, they can no longer run the country after being so wrong and at so great a cost.

    Hillary and Jeb both represent and are personally part of a corrupt political class that should be removed from power completely. Land wars in Asia and third world mass migration are both really bad ideas, Bush-Clinton own them, they can no longer run the country after being so wrong and at so great a cost.

    We spend the better part of $1 Trillion every year on military stuff (humans and the world’s most advanced machines) that gets obsolete continually. There must always be an arena to impose the nation’s capital and labor expenditures. Thus it can be tested while it expresses our might before continual replacement.

  86. @TangoMan
    Publius Decius Mus follows up on his Flight 93 essay.

    I still don’t understand what happened to JAG. The partnership can split up, but why take down the postings? It’s obvious this guy Decius still wants to write.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    I still don’t understand what happened to JAG. The partnership can split up, but why take down the postings? It’s obvious this guy Decius still wants to write.
     
    That how our elite (sic) rolls - i.e. those employing the JAG crew.

    Lots of talented people in the old Soviet Union still wanted to write too. They were made to think better of it, or, failing that, found it difficult to get published from the gulag/grave. Sometimes the latter fate was imposed as a precautionary measure or pour decourager les autres.

    The disappearance of JAG was a canary in the coal mine.
  87. We spend the better part of $1 Trillion every year on military stuff (humans and the world’s most advanced machines) that gets obsolete continually.

    Our strategic bomber fleet begs to disagree. The B-52-Methusalah is the obvious counterexample, but the B-1 is old enough to have grandchildren too. Dear lord what a beautiful airplane:

    Also, we are talking about Iraq. Winning Iraq was not about testing our scientists to develop advanced weapons, it was about whether we cared enough to be as brutal as Saddam was in order to control that craphole. Either way, we lose.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Winning Iraq was not about testing our scientists to develop advanced weapons, it was about whether we cared enough to be as brutal as Saddam was in order to control that craphole.
     
    No, pretty sure in retrospect (20/20 of course) winning Iraq was about not getting suckered into it in the first place.
  88. Literally shaking as I read this ignorant xenophobic trash from the Clinton campaign, and I can now barely type. Does she know any actual Pepes? I do, and they’re nothing like what she describes. The Pepe community, despite being marginalized and demeaned by bigots like Hillary Clinton, is a group of good hard-working honest Americans, and it works closely with law enforcement to identify any rare Pepes that might be at risk to do these types of things Hillary talks about. Hateful Pepephobia like Hillary’s is the root cause of any antisocial behavior by what are indeed very rare Pepes. We should not judge the actions of all Pepes by the unfortunate memes of a few poor, misguided Pepes. You’re playing right into the hands of radical Pepes. It’s 2016, is it not? Educate yourselves! Ignorance kills!

  89. @whorefinder
    Huh? The whole point of "cuckservative" as a label was this sort of mockery. The alt-right, emerging partially from the PUA movement, uses this insult all the time.

    Feminism keeps trying to make cuckoldery ok for females to do to men, but I think the instinctively male revulsion to it cannot be rationalized away.

    The sad thing is, there seem to be plenty of men happy to go along: http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/07/what-open-marriage-taught-one-man-about-feminism.html

    The TL;DR is this guy’s wife informed him one day that their marriage was now an open one, and he’s down with it because he’s a feminist. He also quit working and describes himself as an “economically dependent househusband”, but don’t worry! His masculine self-image was just stretched, not broken.

  90. You don’t like “Alt Right”?

    Then we’re the . . . Pepe Party!

  91. “That’s not funny!”

    The left has no sense of humor, so they have trouble telling when someone is making a joke at their expense.

    I don’t know if the lack of a sense of humor is natural, or something they’ve beaten out of themselves.

    • Replies: @EvolutionistX
    If Hillary's campaign is kill-joy school marms, Trump's at least understands humor. Many of Trump's more controversial statements--"she had blood coming out of her...," the request for Putin to tell him what was in Hillary's emails, comments about the size of his penis, were all rather funny--and probably purposefully so. Hillary's campaign is only funny by accident.
  92. “Other Twitter hacks have included full account take over where messages were sent to all followers of Obama, Britney Speakers, Fox and a CNN anchor.”
    http://bankinnovation.net/2009/03/twitter-isnt-even-close-to-a-secure-application/

    It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties. ~ Alfred North Whitehead

    It’s dangerous, which means it’s the future for a generation with the attention span of a goldfish.

  93. @EvolutionistX
    "That's not funny!"

    The left has no sense of humor, so they have trouble telling when someone is making a joke at their expense.

    I don't know if the lack of a sense of humor is natural, or something they've beaten out of themselves.

    If Hillary’s campaign is kill-joy school marms, Trump’s at least understands humor. Many of Trump’s more controversial statements–“she had blood coming out of her…,” the request for Putin to tell him what was in Hillary’s emails, comments about the size of his penis, were all rather funny–and probably purposefully so. Hillary’s campaign is only funny by accident.

  94. @O'really
    This is demonstrably false. I first ran across Pepe a few years ago on basketball twitter, and came to realize that he has been popular on black twitter for much longer than WN twitter.

    Isn't it ironic, don't you think?

    This is demonstrably false. I first ran across Pepe a few years ago on basketball twitter, and came to realize that he has been popular on black twitter for much longer than WN twitter.

    Maybe you weren’t aware of it, but Pepe was also on the WN/alt-right scene a few years ago too, on /pol/ and elsewhere; not everything revolves around what you happen to notice on Twitter. At best Pepe has been in use at the same time in many very different groups; it has not been popular “for much longer” anywhere.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Smug Pepe is pretty awesome:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4nnbez/rallies_are_like_bedtime_stories_you_can_sleep/?st=it43vxx1&sh=1ba79bbe

  95. @meh

    This is demonstrably false. I first ran across Pepe a few years ago on basketball twitter, and came to realize that he has been popular on black twitter for much longer than WN twitter.
     
    Maybe you weren't aware of it, but Pepe was also on the WN/alt-right scene a few years ago too, on /pol/ and elsewhere; not everything revolves around what you happen to notice on Twitter. At best Pepe has been in use at the same time in many very different groups; it has not been popular "for much longer" anywhere.
    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    OT Steve. Do you think anyone will do anything about the latest smoking gun about Pay for Play in the Obama White House?

    Or is Pay for Play something both sides have indulged in for...ever...so no one (except Rod Blago) does time for it?
  96. The continuous juxtaposition of Pepe and/or Trump with Alt-Right martyr Harambe makes me wonder when we will see the campaign bumper stickers: “D*cks out for the Donald!”

  97. @Lot
    Watson is a man I like. Crick too! Roissy says hateful things about women, I don't like that. There is so much bile, I don't like it at all. I like the fair sex.

    [Edit: Roissy is still better than Ryan.]

    I’m a woman who has read and enjoyed Roissy over a decade. He says true things about women.

  98. @Lot

    The distinctions between the motte and the bailey are deliberately blurry, but not indistinguishable for those with the eyes of good faith.
     
    I think the term "alt-right" creates needless confusion in elite discourse too. Speaking in code is overrated. For popular discourse, Trump is a true blue Reagan conservative who will make America great again.

    The problem(among many) is that we need a lot of folks on board who either didn’t like Reagan or have no memory of him. Plus the bad guys already know how to deal with, and neutralize, Reagan nostalgia. Alt-right gets into their OODA loop.

  99. @Lot

    We spend the better part of $1 Trillion every year on military stuff (humans and the world’s most advanced machines) that gets obsolete continually.
     
    Our strategic bomber fleet begs to disagree. The B-52-Methusalah is the obvious counterexample, but the B-1 is old enough to have grandchildren too. Dear lord what a beautiful airplane:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockwell_B-1_Lancer#/media/File:B-1B_over_the_pacific_ocean.jpg

    Also, we are talking about Iraq. Winning Iraq was not about testing our scientists to develop advanced weapons, it was about whether we cared enough to be as brutal as Saddam was in order to control that craphole. Either way, we lose.

    Winning Iraq was not about testing our scientists to develop advanced weapons, it was about whether we cared enough to be as brutal as Saddam was in order to control that craphole.

    No, pretty sure in retrospect (20/20 of course) winning Iraq was about not getting suckered into it in the first place.

  100. @Romanian
    I still don't understand what happened to JAG. The partnership can split up, but why take down the postings? It's obvious this guy Decius still wants to write.

    I still don’t understand what happened to JAG. The partnership can split up, but why take down the postings? It’s obvious this guy Decius still wants to write.

    That how our elite (sic) rolls – i.e. those employing the JAG crew.

    Lots of talented people in the old Soviet Union still wanted to write too. They were made to think better of it, or, failing that, found it difficult to get published from the gulag/grave. Sometimes the latter fate was imposed as a precautionary measure or pour decourager les autres.

    The disappearance of JAG was a canary in the coal mine.

  101. @Lot

    The argument is that /being confusing/ makes it harder to dismiss
     
    Wow, out of three replies, two say "alt-right" is good because it is confusing.

    Sorry but I have a higher opinion of the American people, I think they will do right when less confused, not more.

    Hillary and Jeb both represent and are personally part of a corrupt political class that should be removed from power completely. Land wars in Asia and third world mass migration are both really bad ideas, Bush-Clinton own them, they can no longer run the country after being so wrong and at so great a cost.

    The imprecision is good argument stems from a belief that the American people have already largely been lost, and that waging conventional culture warfare is doomed to fail or at the very least insufficient. Basically the plot from The Patriot.

  102. @Anonymous
    Olivia Nuzzi was an intern for Anthony Weiner.

    Good looking but obviously dumber than a box of rocks. Maybe that’s the way Weiner likes them.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Good looking? Nuzzi's trying very hard to look good but she's barely a 6. Even Huma was probably better looking in her prime.
  103. @Tiny Duck
    I'm lukewarm on Clinton and I think she's too secretive and makes a lot of unforced errors. But I still think she's been unfairly persecuted by the Republican scandal machine and that she's running this race in ten pound shoes because of pervasive sexism. And the liberal media us handling this shit ridiculously unfairly, especially the shitheel at the New York Times.

    Define: unfairly.

  104. Dumb article. Yes, Nuzzi was trolled, but the Pepe meme did develop into a white nationalist symbol on the chan boards before migrating to Twitter, where it continues as such.

    I know nothing of this Pepe. So, forgive me if I have this wrong, but: when your enemies “develop” a cute little green cartoon frog into a “symbol of EEEEVIL!!!”, you IGNORE IT.

    the fact that Democrats and Republicans both think the media has been unfair probably means they’ve been rather fair – if not terribly competent.

    Any logic to that? Or is it all just feelz?

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/14/gallup-poll-american-trust-in-news-media-falls-to-/

    51% of Democrats trust the media, but only 14% of Republicans. Are these people idiots, or is it just you?

    Our strategic bomber fleet begs to disagree. The B-52-Methusalah is the obvious counterexample, but the B-1 is old enough to have grandchildren too. Dear lord what a beautiful airplane:

    Bunch of our missiles are from the seventies and eighties, too. I’m sure this is limited to neither category.

  105. Nuzzi: holy man-skull, Batman.

  106. @Desiderius
    Sounds like he could use some air support.

    Target coordinates:

    http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/08/isnt-flight-93-election-mh370-election/

    https://twitter.com/DouthatNYT/status/773947623686434816

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/439859/flight-93-election-claremont-trump-piece-apocalyptic-rhetoric-overblown

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/439864/donald-trump-flight-93-analogy-overwrought-inaccurate

    http://www.redstate.com/aglanon/2016/09/08/flight-93-election-rush/
    http://www.dailywire.com/news/8985/widely-praised-flight-93-election-essay-dishonest-ben-shapiro

    It’s a laundry list of cucks: Federalist, NR-twice, Redstate, Daily Wire–the school crossing guards of Conservatism Inc., who meanwhile have their lunch money stolen everyday by the prog-left. Tax and spend guardians of the warfare state when they occasionally occupy the seat of power, leaving the prog-left to be the guardians of the tax and spend welfare state.

    Is it any wonder the national debt approaches $20 trillion? Conservatives shouldn’t have anything to do with this status quo travesty, but here, four outposts of GOPe get their panties in a twist over Trump because he doesn’t score ‘style points’ in the demeanor and temperament category. Perhaps, unlike Romney and McCain, Trump wants to win the election–and do so just like the Dems, by whatever means necessary.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Sure, but we need to send some flak their way to take the heat off of our man Decius, or so at least he (and they) know he's not just a voice in the wilderness.
  107. @Jim Don Bob
    Good looking but obviously dumber than a box of rocks. Maybe that's the way Weiner likes them.

    Good looking? Nuzzi’s trying very hard to look good but she’s barely a 6. Even Huma was probably better looking in her prime.

  108. Pepe has made his debut in Le Monde:

    Pepe the Frog, le mème coopté par les suprémacistes américains.

    (The Le Monde article requires subscription; above goes to teaser on French Yahoo with link to original.)

  109. @Forbes
    It's a laundry list of cucks: Federalist, NR-twice, Redstate, Daily Wire--the school crossing guards of Conservatism Inc., who meanwhile have their lunch money stolen everyday by the prog-left. Tax and spend guardians of the warfare state when they occasionally occupy the seat of power, leaving the prog-left to be the guardians of the tax and spend welfare state.

    Is it any wonder the national debt approaches $20 trillion? Conservatives shouldn't have anything to do with this status quo travesty, but here, four outposts of GOPe get their panties in a twist over Trump because he doesn't score 'style points' in the demeanor and temperament category. Perhaps, unlike Romney and McCain, Trump wants to win the election--and do so just like the Dems, by whatever means necessary.

    Sure, but we need to send some flak their way to take the heat off of our man Decius, or so at least he (and they) know he’s not just a voice in the wilderness.

  110. @Tiny Duck
    I'm lukewarm on Clinton and I think she's too secretive and makes a lot of unforced errors. But I still think she's been unfairly persecuted by the Republican scandal machine and that she's running this race in ten pound shoes because of pervasive sexism. And the liberal media us handling this shit ridiculously unfairly, especially the shitheel at the New York Times.

    she’s running this race in ten pound shoes

    Ah, now I see why she kicked off one of her shoes after the 9/11 memorial gig. Either that, or the folks carrying her to the van needed to lighten the load.

  111. All this sounds like when H.L. Mencken trolled his readers (and editors) when he wrote about how the first bathtub in America was installed in the White House.

    Years later he wrote a column revealing the lie, yet decades later there were still stories occasionally surfacing that cited his original article when the new story discussed how the first bathtub in America was in the White House.

    People really are so dumb, they’ll believe anything.

  112. @Steve Sailer
    Smug Pepe is pretty awesome:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4nnbez/rallies_are_like_bedtime_stories_you_can_sleep/?st=it43vxx1&sh=1ba79bbe

    OT Steve. Do you think anyone will do anything about the latest smoking gun about Pay for Play in the Obama White House?

    Or is Pay for Play something both sides have indulged in for…ever…so no one (except Rod Blago) does time for it?

  113. @Anonymous
    Dumb article. Yes, Nuzzi was trolled, but the Pepe meme did develop into a white nationalist symbol on the chan boards before migrating to Twitter, where it continues as such.

    Read that headline again. Notice the “just.” How they were convinced a cartoon frog is JUST a front for white nationalism. Pepe is not even primarily a white nationalist symbol. You are way off-base.

    Should he become primarily an alt-right symbol going forward, that will have been the fault of Clinton and her media allies. But even then, it won’t be just a white nationalist symbol. Because white nationalists are outnumbered on the alt-right, too.

  114. @candid_observer
    I did a very quick look at those pieces decrying Decius' article.

    I performed a ctrl-F for "immigr", and found that only one of them even used the word -- the one by Ben Shapiro. And that piece was basically dishonest on the point -- acting as though standard issue conservatives have always been opposed to illegal immigration, and high immigration rates, and that Trump has not staked out a firm position on these points.

    What about the precise point Decius is arguing: that this election is of pivotal importance because of how immigration is inexorably tilting our demographics away from any form of conservatism?

    These are the shining lights of Conservatism, Inc.? They can't engage the central argument of Decius' article?

    Why even bother to refute these homunculi?

    They will die of their own irrelevance.

    Shampooro is right, they have been. The GOPe and Conservatism, Inc. were lying. Their constituency was bamboozled. Much like the protectionists and anti-imperialists whose votes and money they counted upon, they were happy to include them in the Big Tent, so long as they weren’t required to give a fig about what supposedly mattered to them.

    Now, plenty of the drones have figured out they were being ignored, and have thrown in with the non-Republican-Republican Trump. For-Realz Conservatives call back, “Where are you going? We were with you all along!” But by this point no one cares, even if there is common ground. Because the term “conservative” is in the trash and nobody but those with paychecks tied directly to it give a crap.

  115. @candid_observer
    I did a very quick look at those pieces decrying Decius' article.

    I performed a ctrl-F for "immigr", and found that only one of them even used the word -- the one by Ben Shapiro. And that piece was basically dishonest on the point -- acting as though standard issue conservatives have always been opposed to illegal immigration, and high immigration rates, and that Trump has not staked out a firm position on these points.

    What about the precise point Decius is arguing: that this election is of pivotal importance because of how immigration is inexorably tilting our demographics away from any form of conservatism?

    These are the shining lights of Conservatism, Inc.? They can't engage the central argument of Decius' article?

    Why even bother to refute these homunculi?

    They will die of their own irrelevance.

    “They can’t engage the central argument of Decius’ article?”

    Do liberals engage the central arguments of Global Warming “deniers?” No. Let’s assume Conservatism, Inc. can shoot down the Flight ’93 article, with more than platitudes. They’d still have a motive not to, for fear of publicizing his ideas.

    Not that it’s conscious on their part. I imagine it works the same way PC mind prison works. They have their little bubble, at NR or wherever, and alt-right arguments are like rats scurrying across the floor. “Eeek! Nationalism!”

  116. @The most deplorable one
    That is so funny. Perhaps it explains things like this:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/05/25/alt-right-white-supremacists-have-chosen-taylor-swift-as-their-aryan-goddess-icon-through-no-fault-of-her-own/

    That is some epic trolling.

    Man, you know now Miley Cyrus is wishing she’d caught some of that deplorable-Aryan-icon heat…

  117. @Lot

    The argument is that /being confusing/ makes it harder to dismiss
     
    Wow, out of three replies, two say "alt-right" is good because it is confusing.

    Sorry but I have a higher opinion of the American people, I think they will do right when less confused, not more.

    Hillary and Jeb both represent and are personally part of a corrupt political class that should be removed from power completely. Land wars in Asia and third world mass migration are both really bad ideas, Bush-Clinton own them, they can no longer run the country after being so wrong and at so great a cost.
  118. @Lot
    Watson is a man I like. Crick too! Roissy says hateful things about women, I don't like that. There is so much bile, I don't like it at all. I like the fair sex.

    [Edit: Roissy is still better than Ryan.]

    To crooked eyes, truth may wear a wry face.

  119. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @whorefinder
    "projection"

    I see Steve's been reading Vox's three rules of SJWs.

    I like the panic coming out of the corporate media and Hillary regarding everything and anything the alt-right does, including silly little cartoon trolls. It's the kind of panic that a high school queen bee and her retinue of followers have when a new girl comes into the school and is effortlessly hotter and cooler than the reigning queen bee, and gets a group of girls around her who laugh at queen bee and co.

    Suddenly, queen bee's followers are insecure and panic, worried that, instead of being part of the in-crowd, they are really the lowest of the low on the h.s. coolness totem pole. And queen bee goes absolutely crazy with any attack she can muster---"her shoes are weird! Her ears are slightly too small! Her notebooks have bad drawings in them!"---because losing her place at the top of the school hierarchy is devastating, as its the only thing she has ever wanted.

    People who are afraid of being hated, to the brink of deep incontrollable neurosis, think there are good reasons to hate them.

    A little group of these, deeply disturbed, is able to make a show of their (real) neurosis and paranoia on media and social media, especially Twitter and Quora. In-group cohesion, a wide set of willing lackeys, and the nervelessness of the general public allows the show.
    Season it with one or two drops of Zionism (that’s best left implicit, however), and serve.

    Most successful dish of the day, and nobody seems to be getting tired of it.

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