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Masked Berkeley Black Bloc no-platforms Milo Y in February – from San Francisco Chronicle

This New York Times article below is a good example of the barely existent distinction between outright Fake News versus The Narrative. The NYT manages to reassuringly mislead its subscribers by putting Real News in a distorted order.

Berkeley Cancels Ann Coulter Speech Over Safety Fears
By THOMAS FULLER APRIL 19, 2017

SAN FRANCISCO — The University of California, Berkeley, on Wednesday canceled a scheduled speech by the conservative author Ann Coulter, in the latest blow to the institution’s legacy and reputation as a promoter and bastion of free speech.

University administrators said in a statement that they could not allow Ms. Coulter to speak because of active security threats. In a letter to the Berkeley College Republicans, which was sponsoring the speech, two university vice chancellors said the university had been “unable to find a safe and suitable venue for your planned April 27 event featuring Ann Coulter.” …

With its reputation as one of the country’s most liberal universities, the campus and surrounding areas have become a target for small, militant and shadowy right-wing groups who in recent months have clashed with equally militant and shadowy anarchist groups based in the San Francisco Bay Area.

That’s an intentionally deceptive misstatement of the actual chain of events in Berkeley, reversing the who-whom order of events. It’s clearly referring to the violent no-platforming of Milo Y. in February by masked leftists against peaceful Milo fans, which then led to the brawl over the weekend in Berkeley that the right appears to have won. But perhaps 90% of the NYT’s readers will assume that “small, militant and shadowy right wing groups” started the current chain of violence in Berkeley. After all, they are mentioned first.

A huge fraction of NYT readers don’t realize the newspaper misled them in the past about things like “violence at Trump rallies,” which was overwhelmingly left-on-right. When you find yourself in a hole of deception, keep digging!

In February, a speech by the incendiary right-wing writer Milo Yiannopoulos, also sponsored by the College Republicans, was canceled after masked protesters smashed windows, set fires and pelted the police with rocks.

You know and I know the who-whom of what happened, but most NYT subscribers don’t have a clear memory. So they just read this to align with their prejudices: those College Republicans smashed windows, etc.

It’s an easy game to play. Most people simply don’t have a timeline in their head of current events, so they can’t do reality checks on The Narrative.

 
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  1. I don’t think they’re always above outright lying. Remember Jayson Blair.

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  2. I think this falls under the ‘Haven Monahan’ narrative. Liberals KNOW the story line is false but they want it to be true so they play along with the Rodhamster/DNC narrative of gangs of frat boys raping coeds. Its like ‘race relations’. The liberal pretends that white racists threaten the lives of young black men but that is just for show. They know better than to be caught alone with a group of young black men because that can lead to real consequences.

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    • Agree: NickG
    • Replies: @sabril
    I basically agree; this is not a situation where NYT readership is a bunch of innocent dupes who would change their minds if they only learned the true facts.

    If one of these violent protests were going on and they had a choice between walking down the street alone with a Trump baseball cap or one of those pink cat hats, of course they would choose the second option. Because deep down, they know just as well as everyone else that the vast majority of political violence in the US is coming from the Left.
  3. …but most NYT subscribers don’t have a clear memory.

    Liberals can’t remember anything that happened more than six weeks ago. They don’t remember events, but most importantly, they don’t remember what they used to care about or what the past was like.

    I remember a time when immigration was not yet a sacred cow to most Americans, when almost everyone, including people with names like Bill Clinton and Harry Reed, thought something should be done about the burgeoning problem of massive illegal immigration. It was ok to say so in public.

    Back then, nobody thought gay marriage was a priority. Hell, nobody thought about it at all. Somehow life went on. That was a very short while ago. It’s bizarre to hear them talk about this issue as if it’s equivalent to the civil rights movement, to see how passionate they are about it. If it’s so important for the state to recognize gay marriage, why didn’t liberals think so back then?

    Even more recently, liberals opposed going to war with Iraq for flimsy, fabricated reasons. The fact that Barrack Obama voted to stay out of Iraq was the second most important reason he was elected president. Today, these same liberals believe that going to war against Syria for even dumber reasons is a great idea.

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    • Agree: ic1000, Travis
    • Replies: @Bleuteaux
    This is such an important point.

    The left has reversed or ignored itself on most major policy issues in maybe the last 15 years, at most.

    Remember fears about population explosion in Africa? Handing out contraception to Africans? Controversy between the left and the right about government funding for abortion and contraception of non-whites overseas?

    Remember loathing over suburbia? Urban sprawl? The legal battles over more and more housing, condo and apartment developments, commercial spaces and the like? Remember how much the left would despise the SUV, or McMansions?

    Remember the environment? Obsessions with recycling, promotion of bike trails, population's effect on natural resources? Remember the left losing it's mind over liter on the sides of our highways and streets?

    Remember Occupy Wall Street? Corporate greed, endless corporate tax loopholes, tax breaks for finance, insurance and real estate industries? Remember when Corporate America was the source of every evil on the planet?

    Remember how it used to be completely acceptable for there to be separate countries, with separate legal systems and governments, and how appalling it was that the US military-industrial complex would invade and change those systems of government?

    Every policy position of the left has become subservient to one, exclusive goal - the extermination of the white middle and under class in the West.

    , @Alec Leamas

    Even more recently, liberals opposed going to war with Iraq for flimsy, fabricated reasons.
     
    Actually, the leading liberal lights cheerled the war in Iraq to show that they weren't wimps after 9/11. They only came to "oppose" the war in the 2004 Primary when Howard Dean caught fire with the Democrat base as the retro George McGovern and the likes of Kerry had to chase him to the Left.
    , @Anon
    "Back then, nobody thought gay marriage was a priority. Hell, nobody thought about it at all. Somehow life went on. That was a very short while ago. It’s bizarre to hear them talk about this issue as if it’s equivalent to the civil rights movement, to see how passionate they are about it. If it’s so important for the state to recognize gay marriage, why didn’t liberals think so back then?"

    More to the point, nor did homosexuals. "Gay Marriage/Gays are just like us" was invented by liberals to replace the previous narrative, "Gays are better better because they aren't restricted by marriage and kids and so can have lots of sex", which was rendered implausible by AIDS.

    The point being, neither had anything to do with the actual role played by homosexuals in Western culture; this "gay" business was invented to co-opt homosexual liberation by the Left and absorb them into the Rainbow Wrecking Crew (what Steve calls "the coalition of the fringes").

    I wrote a book about it.
    , @Stan Adams
    Bush's reasons for attaqing Iraq were as flimsy and fabricated as hypocritical liberals' reasons for opposing it.

    Iraq was a needless war, as meaningless and wasteful a slaughter as Vietnam.

    (You can thank that great liberal, Lyndon Johnson, for the latter. Johnson's trumped-up rationale for putting our boys through the meat grinder was more than a little flimsy and fabricated, as well.)

    Also, the NYT, through its flawed reporting of the supposed threat that Saddam posed to us, was one of the leading boosters of our little crusade in Iraq.

    , @anon
    Back then, nobody thought gay marriage was a priority. Hell, nobody thought about it at all. Somehow life went on. That was a very short while ago. It’s bizarre to hear them talk about this issue as if it’s equivalent to the civil rights movement, to see how passionate they are about it.

    My favorite example of this was David Letterman talking about Mike Pence and the wedding cake issue. He claimed that in the Indiana HE grew up in, nobody would have ever discriminated against gay weddings.

    http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/01/media/david-letterman-on-indiana-law/

    So, not only did he forget about what Indiana was like when he was growing up, when gays couldn't get married at all, he forgot what the Indiana of three years ago was like. He even seemed to have forgotten what New York City was like just ten years ago.

    Strangely enough, he had plenty of time to agitate about this issue, and a platform with which to do it, but all I remember him saying about gays was making gay jokes in his Top Ten lists.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Stealth, Wait, slavery and Jim Crow were more than six weeks ago? Seems like only yesterday.
  4. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    OT: From The Stanford Review:

    #AdmissionsDecisionsMatter: The Stanford Admissions Office’s Disturbing Concession

    By John Rice-Cameron

    “What matters to you and why?” This question was my favorite part of Stanford’s application. In my application, I discussed why Africa matters to me. I explained that my connection to the continent was not simply ancestral, recounting how seven trips to Africa inspired a lifelong interest in wildlife and the promises and perils facing the developing world.

    Ziad Ahmed, an applicant to the Stanford class of 2021, had a decidedly different take on the question. His essay consisted solely of the statement “#BlackLivesMatter,” repeated 100 times. …

    Of course, Ziad’s claim is valid: black lives most certainly matter. The Black Lives Matter movement reflects the legitimate sentiments of frustration and abandonment on the part of many Americans; given my own background, I am intimately familiar with the anguish that pervades many communities across America. Moreover, it is incumbent upon American society to understand and address the concerns of its citizens.

    But regardless of how legitimate Ziad’s claim may be, his refusal to provide an explanation directly undermines Stanford’s values of open inquiry and self-reflection.

    However, I doubt that Stanford would have admitted an applicant of equal qualifications who, in an effort to display his passion for God and country, answered the essay question by repeating the phrase #GodBlessAmerica 100 times.

    It took me a little bit to figure out who John Rice-Cameron is but then it hit me. :-)

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    • Agree: E. Rekshun
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Good for him.
    , @Dr. X

    However, I doubt that Stanford would have admitted an applicant of equal qualifications who, in an effort to display his passion for God and country, answered the essay question by repeating the phrase #GodBlessAmerica 100 times.
     
    Bingo.

    I'd like to see someone scrawl out "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" 100 times on his Stanford application and see what happens.

    He'd probably be the victim of a no-knock SWAT raid within 48 hours...
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, on a neighbor's lawn is a neatly printed yard sign, in rainbow colors that states; In our America we believe, That a woman controls her body, That no one is illegal, That black lives matter, That science is real, That we celebrate diversity, Everyone is kind, Love is Love. that could be your new dumbed down Stanford essay.
  5. How many times do they say “right-wing?” And what do they call the other side? “Anarchists?” Which used to be popularly associated with left-wing terrorists, but now means kids being kids, or whatever.

    It’s almost as if there’s no left wing at all. Just normal people and those weird, violent righties.

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    Has anyone else noticed that Reddit’s default page for lurkers has changed significantly? Now we have things like r/esist actively propagandizing on the front page.
    Makes me wonder whether there was a directive from some external organization to do this, or whether this was just the reddit founders acting on their own.
    Its just too coordinated, Reddit acting like NYT acting like WaPo acting like Twitter acting like Facebook acting like MSNBC acting like NPR.

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    • Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    Stealing:
    Reddit acting like NYT acting like WaPo acting like Twitter acting like Facebook acting like MSNBC acting like NPR.
    , @Chriscom
    That sort of thing is not all that new. reddit Inc. Is embarrassed by Maga groups and similar communities and has been playing tricks on down voting and the like for some time.
  7. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    NYT is a ghetto.

    You know and I know the who-whom of what happened, but most NYT subscribers don’t have a clear memory…

    Prescription drugs? Geriatric demos?

    The NYT readership/subscribership has undergone a strong selection process since the hardtimes era began. Lots of forces at work but the end result is a hardened hardcore of lunacy. The readers, the editors, and the writers.

    It’s a Democrat Party front group and the donks haven’t been this weak since, uh, Coolidge? Expect continued weakness.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Anonymous, since I won't click on a NYT link or article can you tell me if there are comments and the sense of the commenters' opinions.
    , @mukat
    In an article about who-whom, let's not get causation reversed: You incorrectly say that the NYT is a Dem front group; instead consider that the Dems are the (bungling, ignoramus-staffed) political wing of the NYT (Cathedral / deep state / establishment). h/t moldbug
  8. Sorry, but you’re a bit blank-slatish on this, Steve. The NYT base readership and the NYT are both sympatico on this. No misleading there.

    Of course the base readership of Unz.com is its own cocoon too. Its cocoons all over.

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    • Replies: @JW Bell
    If the NYT and its readers were simpatico there'd be no need for the deception.
    , @BenKenobi
    Cocoon, cocoom?
    , @guest
    Your reply is inscrutable. Please make more sense.
    , @Karl
    8 Anony-mouse > . The NYT base readership and the NYT are both sympatico on this. No misleading there. Of course the base readership of Unz.com

    I can name a Unz blogger who not only reads the entire ( = pays them real money) NY Times everyday, but gives it lots & lots of free publicity.

    American Independence was not won by reading the London newspapers every day, me thinks.

    , @jacques sheete

    Its cocoons all over.
     
    Cuckoos, too and it's nothing new. We can read all about it in Aristophanes', "The Birds."
    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "Of course the base readership of Unz.com is its own cocoon too. Its cocoons all over."

    Wrong. The NYT does not present at length opinions discordant with its own left-wing opinions and then respond at length in the manner of Steve and other alt-right bloggers. Unz readers get to see, at length, discordant opinions plus rebuttal. NYT cocoon readers get nothing but spoon-fed predigested pabulum utterly consonant with their worldview.

    Like Lennon said: "Nothing's gonna change my world....."
    , @RadicalCenter
    Not all of us are in a cocoon. I read the Wall Street journal on Saturdays (buying it) and on Sundays the New York Times (for free in a coffee shop). (I also actually try to have meaningful friendly conversations or arguments with friends whom I consider much too militarist, too welfarist, etc., and it sometimes works.). Every week we socialize with people from Asia, Europe, and Mexico and discuss whatever comes up.

    Do the hardcore invade/invite-the-world crowd who often subscribe to those Deep State/Wall Street/Hollywood publications check in with the perspectives on unz.com or VDare? Do they ever read The American Conservative or antiwar.com to get a fuller view on the issues? Didn't think so.

    , @Lurker
    There is some truth in that but most of us are assailed by The Poz/The Narrative/The Agenda every single day if we watch TV, listen to the radio, open a paper. If it weren't for the interwebs we'd see/hear nothing else.

    But those in their left/lib/globalist cocoon, they can go 24/7 and lamost never have their cocoon compromised or challenged. Except by boring empirical reality of course, but if they're careful they can avoid that too.
  9. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    The NYT problem is nepotism as a conduit for mediocrity at the expense of greatness. And today’s mediocrities compensate by embracing extreme PC.

    Trump is dragging the same anchor. And so is FoxNews.

    Important article on the lunacy taking hold in Murdochville:

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-wolff-how-bill-oreillys-scandal-exposes-a-murdoch-family-divide-993110

    POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IS POISONING EVERYTHING IN THIS COUNTRY …and the nepotism is amplifying it. Yes, this article made me start shouting.

    Btw Another prominent example of the PC nepotism vector is GW Bush.

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  10. @anony-mouse
    Sorry, but you're a bit blank-slatish on this, Steve. The NYT base readership and the NYT are both sympatico on this. No misleading there.

    Of course the base readership of Unz.com is its own cocoon too. Its cocoons all over.

    If the NYT and its readers were simpatico there’d be no need for the deception.

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    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    I don't think it's deception so much as relating a story in the way that matches the ideological twists and turns common on the Left. Antifa/Commie violence isn't violence, it's speech against hate. Coulter's speech isn't speech, it's hate which is a form of violence against the "most vulnerable." So when you've integrated this way of thinking into your worldview the NYT's presentation makes perfect sense.

    The anarchists broke windows and destroyed property because the proximity to spoken violence was intolerable and their behavior was in reaction to it. Coulter's speech was cancelled because the natural and reasonable left wing reaction to her verbal violence and those who would be there to support and protect her is a security concern. The Left is some sort of organic mass that is passive in this way of thinking, and its behavior isn't behavior but rather an inevitable and unavoidable consequence of exposure to hate stimuli. Left wing violence might just as easily be viewed as weather events or the instinctive and foreseeable reactions of a wild animal. You wouldn't say "the tiger had previously justified violence and hatred for his political opposition and contradicted his own prior stated principles about freedom when he attacked and consumed the man who happened into his cage." You'd say "that's a tiger being a tiger" and the real story would be how the poor sap wound up in the tiger's cage.
  11. Serious question, do they explicitly teach how to do this at journalism school?

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    • Replies: @Alfa158
    This is second hand obviously, but one of my colleagues went to journalism school at a major university, then moved into corporate marketing communications because he was a conservative and didn't fit into modern news organizations.
    According to him J schools teach the mechanics of the profession very well, writing, how to conduct an interview, uncover the facts etc. However the faculties universally teach that the journalist has a profound duty to make the world a better place, help the weak and promote the truth. The truth, in turn, is more or less implied to be whatever makes the world a better place. And the definition of a better world is now set by the Left. So in affect journalists are trained to write deceptive material like this.
    Anther factor is that the NYT caters to its echo chamber. This is what their readers pay good money to read, and it would hurt the newspaper's bottom line to stick to facts.
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    This sort of thing is so common now it’s pretty much expected.

    It’s incredibly frustrating that so many people lap this stuff up and take it as gospel truth.

    People like my own parents — Like many older people, they sit down and watch the evening newscast to get the scoop on what is happening in the world. It’s their ritual, and they like and trust the newscasters. They can’t even begin to contemplate that they’re being fed a selective and heavily massaged version of events.

    It’s beyond their ability to even contemplate what is happening. I’ve thought maybe I’d try to assemble some reading material or videos, etc. to try to break through, but it would be very difficult for them to ever understand, so I’ve opted to just let them live in the fake news bubble.

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    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Anonymous, how old are you parents? My wife and I are 71 and 72 and we can figure all this out. My mom is 99 and indoctrinated because they have CNN on all the public TVs at her assisted living home, but I doubt she will join a protest or even vote again.
    , @RadicalCenter
    That's not so bad for the rest of us IF they don't vote. Do they?
  13. @anony-mouse
    Sorry, but you're a bit blank-slatish on this, Steve. The NYT base readership and the NYT are both sympatico on this. No misleading there.

    Of course the base readership of Unz.com is its own cocoon too. Its cocoons all over.

    Cocoon, cocoom?

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  14. “Serious question, do they explicitly teach how to do this at journalism school?”

    Nah, you learn it on the job. Right quick if you want to have a career.

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    • Replies: @Der Mann ohne Eigenschaften
    "Nah, you learn it on the job. Right quick if you want to have a career."

    Exactly. "Manufacturing Consent" by Chomsky and Herman has a lot on this learning process. It's basically self-indoctrination.
  15. Steve,
    I had catalogued the Left-on-Trump violence so well on twitter, and worked hard to get it out, but I’ve deleted the account. It’s my earnest hope that this stays out there. For reasons I don’t understand, I was mostly alone on this. Do men just hate thinking about this stuff? I don’t know. I thought Cernovich had suddenly saw the wisdom in writing about this, but believe now he wrote what he did recently in reaction to some woman getting punched in Berkeley.

    In all likelihood, I organize it from memory and leave it hear sometime. Off the top of my head the most helpless victims: two under aged-twelve Latina girls who were pepper sprayed; they had to go to the hospital. 14-year-old boy in San Jose who got separated from his dad by the mob. He was punched twice in the head from behind then chased by a mob, some of whom yelled, “kill him!” He was tackled in the end. That boy’s assault, bringing his attackers to light, was what got the whole ball rolling on Trump supporters banding together to track down perps at San Jose, and in general, and speak out louder than ever that there was a problem with violence.

    Yours truly, begged people in the MSM to look, even yelled. We all did. There was no help coming. If right wingers and what not are what it takes for order, these people have nobody to blame but themselves. We asked for their help and they turned their backs on us.
    cc: David Weigel
    Still not too late to apologize. $200 of my own money so I could work on that case and with 7 kids, I didn’t have that just lying around. You and your friends laughed.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Why did you delete your account?
    , @JosephB
    Hi, do you still have a list of refs for these attacks? Would you mind sharing?

    joe
  16. The ANTIFA thug who was pounding on Trump supporters has been identified as San Francisco State University professor Eric Clanton. He’s a White man so I doubt he’s a professor. He’s probably a 20 hour a week adjunct instructor or even a TA.

    White male liberals are the absolute worst. They are practically the status of Indian untouchables but they totally refuse to face reality.

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    • Replies: @Thea
    They are nearly universally sexual deviants. SJWism holds no appeal to well adjusted white men.
    , @Peter Johnson
    According to his academic web page "He is currently exploring restorative justice from an anti-authoritarian perspective." Perhaps the California prison system could give him a long period of exploring non-restorative justice from an inmate perspective (assault with grievous bodily harm).
    , @Ragno
    On the other hand, one of the victims of that black spree-killer out to kill whites in Fresno the other day was also antifa - Zack Randalls.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9zLug0XYAAKuP8.jpg

    So it turns out the universe is occasionally benign.
  17. incendiary right-wing writer Milo Yiannopoulos

    Milo is incendiary figuratively, but his enemies are incendiary literally.

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    • Replies: @guest
    I was wondering if "incendiary" was a homo-pun, but the NYT isn't that clever.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Milo is incendiary figuratively...
     
    Well, he is flaming.
    , @European-American
    Similarly, the Washington Post calls Coulter a firebrand.

    firebrand:
    1. a piece of burning wood
    2. one that creates unrest or strife (as in aggressively promoting a cause)
     
    Let's keep firebrands well away from our safe spaces, shall we?
  18. @anony-mouse
    Sorry, but you're a bit blank-slatish on this, Steve. The NYT base readership and the NYT are both sympatico on this. No misleading there.

    Of course the base readership of Unz.com is its own cocoon too. Its cocoons all over.

    Your reply is inscrutable. Please make more sense.

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    You're very clever young man, but its all cocoons all the way down.
  19. small, militant and shadowy right-wing groups

    I’ve been following newer right and left wing street violence groups directly the past six months or so, mostly reading their blogs and boards directly.

    The leftists are more numerous and more organized. But neither are really all that organized. They do not need to be, rather people just are deciding online to meet up.

    Neither side is particularly “shadowy.” They have blogs, websites, and organize on open Facebook pages. Both sides have more mainstream and law-abiding radical supporters.

    The problem with political violence in America, and the reason we have so little of it, is that it is generally counter-productive by inflaming centrist opinion against the cause of the political violence people. The left supporting BLM and its frequent violent riots, shutting down major urban highways and airports, physical attacks on police officers, and other obnoxious and violent acts is what got Trump elected. It wasn’t the only reason, but hard to believe that it did not sway a percent or two of voters in the three states that just barely put Trump over the top.

    The mainstream left knows it is stupid, but simply can’t control its thugs and its ill-educated SJW corps. So the best the NY Times can do is post multiple peons on the op-ed page about the importance of free speech even if it is an awful racist like Charles Murray and try to cover it up the events when they happen.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "The problem with political violence in America, and the reason we have so little of it, is that it is generally counter-productive by inflaming centrist opinion against the cause of the political violence people."

    Centrist opinion. You mean moderates. Hmmm, imagine that. Although I think the proper term for moderate is "cuck".

    "The mainstream left knows it is stupid, but simply can’t control its thugs and its ill-educated SJW corps."

    Likewise, the mainstream right is convinced that the Alt-Right is dumb. Now, how are both groups supposed to "control" their Fringe Groups?
  20. @International Jew

    incendiary right-wing writer Milo Yiannopoulos
     
    Milo is incendiary figuratively, but his enemies are incendiary literally.

    I was wondering if “incendiary” was a homo-pun, but the NYT isn’t that clever.

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  21. @Dahlia
    Steve,
    I had catalogued the Left-on-Trump violence so well on twitter, and worked hard to get it out, but I've deleted the account. It's my earnest hope that this stays out there. For reasons I don't understand, I was mostly alone on this. Do men just hate thinking about this stuff? I don't know. I thought Cernovich had suddenly saw the wisdom in writing about this, but believe now he wrote what he did recently in reaction to some woman getting punched in Berkeley.

    In all likelihood, I organize it from memory and leave it hear sometime. Off the top of my head the most helpless victims: two under aged-twelve Latina girls who were pepper sprayed; they had to go to the hospital. 14-year-old boy in San Jose who got separated from his dad by the mob. He was punched twice in the head from behind then chased by a mob, some of whom yelled, "kill him!" He was tackled in the end. That boy's assault, bringing his attackers to light, was what got the whole ball rolling on Trump supporters banding together to track down perps at San Jose, and in general, and speak out louder than ever that there was a problem with violence.

    Yours truly, begged people in the MSM to look, even yelled. We all did. There was no help coming. If right wingers and what not are what it takes for order, these people have nobody to blame but themselves. We asked for their help and they turned their backs on us.
    cc: David Weigel
    Still not too late to apologize. $200 of my own money so I could work on that case and with 7 kids, I didn't have that just lying around. You and your friends laughed.

    Why did you delete your account?

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  22. UCSF philosophy prof identified as one of the violent lefty thugs at the Battle of Berkeley III fight last weekend:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/polNewsNet/status/854908065472229376/photo/1

    If you are taking his class maybe you can get a better grade if you punch his lights out.

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    • Replies: @eah
    Thanks -- did not see your comment -- but it is SFSU, not UCSF, which is strictly a professional school (medical, dental).
    , @CrunchybutRealistCon
    If you're not happy with your grade, just club him with the U-Lock & he'll surely agree to reassess.

    There was also an Antifa at Auburn who whacked a lone Trump supporter multiple times to the torso with a U-Lock or similar concealed under a piece of cloth. The guy was already locked in battle w/ another Antifa when she piled on. These people are vermin.
    , @Pericles
    It remains problematic that universities employ violent thugs.
  23. Bretty gud, but way short of the malicious ridiculousness of this:

    I don’t think that will ever be surpassed.

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    Bretty gud

    Is that a reference to Le American Bear? Lol dat alwayz gracks me oop.
  24. Related: Some may have seen video of the recent vicious assault with a heavy U-shaped bike lock in Berkeley which left a guy bloodied — a cowardly antifa type darts out of a crowd and bashes a guy (who’s sitting) in the head with the lock (ouch!), then runs away — the bike lock assailant has now been ID’d as a philosophy professor at SFSU (if you can believe that — sorry if this info was posted already):

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  25. http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1969/01/06/page/1/article/bayonet-use-okd-to-end-college-row

    “Those who want to get an education, those who want to teach, should be protected in that at the points of bayonets if necessary.” — Ronald Reagan

    If the current governor lack such spine, couldn’t Trump nationalize California National Guard to protect the free speech rights at Berkeley?

    Or divert all federal funding from Berkeley to SFSU on the condition that it’s run by a modern day version of SI Hayakawa, heroic university who is not afraid to face down campus radicals.

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  26. @Boomstick
    UCSF philosophy prof identified as one of the violent lefty thugs at the Battle of Berkeley III fight last weekend:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/polNewsNet/status/854908065472229376/photo/1

    If you are taking his class maybe you can get a better grade if you punch his lights out.

    Thanks — did not see your comment — but it is SFSU, not UCSF, which is strictly a professional school (medical, dental).

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  27. @International Jew

    incendiary right-wing writer Milo Yiannopoulos
     
    Milo is incendiary figuratively, but his enemies are incendiary literally.

    Milo is incendiary figuratively…

    Well, he is flaming.

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  28. The NYT got caught out lying about the New England Patriots visit to the White house:

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/04/19/new-england-patriots-call-out-new-york-times-for-fake-news-photographs/

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    • Replies: @candid_observer
    The tweet by the NYTimes came from their Sports department, no less.

    How corrupt are these people when even the people in sports feel free to engage in transparent political propaganda?

    If the NY Times is going to behave like this, how can they possibly take genuine offense at being called out as Fake News?

    Even their supposed outrage over this is Fake News.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    jim, this is sad on so many levels, but in truth it is something I would expect from ESPN too.
  29. @res
    Serious question, do they explicitly teach how to do this at journalism school?

    This is second hand obviously, but one of my colleagues went to journalism school at a major university, then moved into corporate marketing communications because he was a conservative and didn’t fit into modern news organizations.
    According to him J schools teach the mechanics of the profession very well, writing, how to conduct an interview, uncover the facts etc. However the faculties universally teach that the journalist has a profound duty to make the world a better place, help the weak and promote the truth. The truth, in turn, is more or less implied to be whatever makes the world a better place. And the definition of a better world is now set by the Left. So in affect journalists are trained to write deceptive material like this.
    Anther factor is that the NYT caters to its echo chamber. This is what their readers pay good money to read, and it would hurt the newspaper’s bottom line to stick to facts.

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    According to him J schools teach the mechanics of the profession very well, writing, how to conduct an interview, uncover the facts etc.
     
    Then why are journalists mostly so bad? I can barely recall ever having seen an American journalist even bother to ask a follow-up question. When a pol or pundit gives them the standard evasion, they just move on to the next question, rather than asking him to clarify his answer, or asking him to explain his assumptions, or just asking him to actually answer the damned question. Most journalists strike me as being exceptionally lazy and superficial.
    , @black sea
    The NY Times bottom line is already hurting plenty. Actually, the point of the NY Times has little to do with a bottom line anyway. It pays dividends in other ways.
  30. @Boomstick
    UCSF philosophy prof identified as one of the violent lefty thugs at the Battle of Berkeley III fight last weekend:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/polNewsNet/status/854908065472229376/photo/1

    If you are taking his class maybe you can get a better grade if you punch his lights out.

    If you’re not happy with your grade, just club him with the U-Lock & he’ll surely agree to reassess.

    There was also an Antifa at Auburn who whacked a lone Trump supporter multiple times to the torso with a U-Lock or similar concealed under a piece of cloth. The guy was already locked in battle w/ another Antifa when she piled on. These people are vermin.

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    • Replies: @Captain Tripps
    Here's a good impromptu weapon to make, though you need some type of sturdy bag/sack if a pillowcase is not at hand; I know! you can use one of those environmentally safe reusable grocery bags!

    https://youtu.be/hPoxee46S4s
    , @Mr. Anon
    "There was also an Antifa at Auburn who whacked a lone Trump supporter multiple times to the torso with a U-Lock or similar concealed under a piece of cloth. The guy was already locked in battle w/ another Antifa when she piled on."

    From what I heard, the "she" was actually a tranny.

    You'd think the police could arrest the antifa based on the fact that they routinely brandish a weapon - their highly offensive smell. According to a lot of people who have encountered them, the antifa stink really, really bad. They have weaponized B.O. though a rigourous regimen of never bathing.

    , @Pericles
    Backstabbing comes very naturally to some people, so there's that. But it's also true that ganging up on someone is effective tactics and you shouldn't rely on some notion of honor in a street fight.
  31. @International Jew

    incendiary right-wing writer Milo Yiannopoulos
     
    Milo is incendiary figuratively, but his enemies are incendiary literally.

    Similarly, the Washington Post calls Coulter a firebrand.

    firebrand:
    1. a piece of burning wood
    2. one that creates unrest or strife (as in aggressively promoting a cause)

    Let’s keep firebrands well away from our safe spaces, shall we?

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    • Replies: @guest
    They burn their safe spaces themselves (or likeminded "outside agitators" do), as demonstrated in the Milo bonfires. I don't know if that was a holocaust or scorched earth tactics.
    , @Buck Turgidson
    "maverick" is another leftist favorite. Of course "controversial" is another standard. "Outspoken". What am I missing. Tom Tancredo was, and Steve King still is, favorite targets. Controversial Iowa Congressman Steve King. Tom Tancredo, maverick firebrand Congressman from Colorado. Totally middle of the road normal Vermont representative Bernie Sanders.

    These all are reserved for nationalist/conservative/closed borders types. On the left, there are no outspoken, controversial, or extreme points of view.
  32. “Mexicans at UWisconsin-Madison file bias complaints for exam question about kangaroos”:

    …for you, Steve

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    • Replies: @Clyde

    “Mexicans at UWisconsin-Madison file bias complaints for exam question about kangaroos”
     
    https://badgerherald.com/news/2017/04/19/mexican-american-students-file-hate-bias-reports-for-border-wall-exam-question/
    , @Hubbub

    In addition, Aguilar said it “spoke wonders to him” that hundreds of students saw the question as well and didn’t see anything wrong with it.

    “More students need to be more aware to these type of issues, and we as us students need to be more sensitive toward other people,” Aguilar said.
     
    And if you are aware of such niggling matters, we will make sure you do know. The wrath of three students should swamp the knowinglessness of hundreds of other students.
  33. @Anon
    OT: From The Stanford Review:

    #AdmissionsDecisionsMatter: The Stanford Admissions Office’s Disturbing Concession

    By John Rice-Cameron

    “What matters to you and why?” This question was my favorite part of Stanford’s application. In my application, I discussed why Africa matters to me. I explained that my connection to the continent was not simply ancestral, recounting how seven trips to Africa inspired a lifelong interest in wildlife and the promises and perils facing the developing world.

    Ziad Ahmed, an applicant to the Stanford class of 2021, had a decidedly different take on the question. His essay consisted solely of the statement “#BlackLivesMatter,” repeated 100 times. ...

    Of course, Ziad’s claim is valid: black lives most certainly matter. The Black Lives Matter movement reflects the legitimate sentiments of frustration and abandonment on the part of many Americans; given my own background, I am intimately familiar with the anguish that pervades many communities across America. Moreover, it is incumbent upon American society to understand and address the concerns of its citizens.

    But regardless of how legitimate Ziad’s claim may be, his refusal to provide an explanation directly undermines Stanford’s values of open inquiry and self-reflection.

    However, I doubt that Stanford would have admitted an applicant of equal qualifications who, in an effort to display his passion for God and country, answered the essay question by repeating the phrase #GodBlessAmerica 100 times.
     
    It took me a little bit to figure out who John Rice-Cameron is but then it hit me. :-)

    Good for him.

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  34. Speaking of lying, I’ve been watching a lot of clips by You tube poster Bombard’s Body Language, who among other things has nailed the Berkeley protester girl that was supposedly assaulted by a right-winger:

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    Yeah I've watched that woman's videos I don't know what to make of her , what makes her an expert ? Calling this slag beautiful though makes me question her judgement . This bitch almost ruined porn for me , thank God we never see any chubbies at these Antifa riots . BTW I'm sure this nitwit didn't do her own makeup .
    , @unpc downunder
    She does seem pretty variable in terms of objectivity. On some clips she strives to be objective and avoid overstatement, and other times she throws objectivity out the window. For example, she points out, probably correctly, that Nigel Farage has a high IQ (based on speed of thinking, eye movements etc) but then calls Richard Spencer an aspie idiot who is incapable of reading emotions.
  35. @European-American
    Similarly, the Washington Post calls Coulter a firebrand.

    firebrand:
    1. a piece of burning wood
    2. one that creates unrest or strife (as in aggressively promoting a cause)
     
    Let's keep firebrands well away from our safe spaces, shall we?

    They burn their safe spaces themselves (or likeminded “outside agitators” do), as demonstrated in the Milo bonfires. I don’t know if that was a holocaust or scorched earth tactics.

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  36. @eah
    Related: Some may have seen video of the recent vicious assault with a heavy U-shaped bike lock in Berkeley which left a guy bloodied -- a cowardly antifa type darts out of a crowd and bashes a guy (who's sitting) in the head with the lock (ouch!), then runs away -- the bike lock assailant has now been ID'd as a philosophy professor at SFSU (if you can believe that -- sorry if this info was posted already):

    https://twitter.com/polNewsNet/status/854908065472229376

    His page on ratemyprofessors.com — again “ouch”.

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    • Replies: @eah
    People are clearly trolling the shit out of his ratings page -- caveat emptor.
  37. @eah

    People are clearly trolling the shit out of his ratings page — caveat emptor.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Are you convinced they've got him identified right? People need to be careful in siccing a mob on somebody.
    , @Steve Sailer
    Are you convinced they've got him identified right? People need to be careful in siccing a mob on somebody.
    , @eah
    Just to clarify/correct: I find no evidence that he is currently a philosophy professor at SFSU -- eg he is not mentioned on the faculty page -- but per the following link, it looks like he received an MA from SFSU, and lectured in 2015 at CSU Sacramento.

    November, 2014 -- Philosophy students help high schoolers tackle ethics -- Ashlie Meredith (from left), Matt Howery and Eric Clanton are among several SF State graduate philosophy students serving as coaches for San Francisco public high school teams competing in the High School Ethics Bowl.

    Again: It is not yet 100% certain this is the guy who bashed someone on the head with a heavy bike lock -- you can watch video of the attack here.
  38. OT: At the end of Tucker Carlson’s Fox News program on 4/19/17 Tucker announced that starting 4/24/17 he would be taking over the 8:00 pm ET slot. That means the pompous, egotistical asshole Bill O’reilly is out. Of all the Fox News people Tucker deserves the prime time slot most.
    Have never understood why O’reilly was such a draw for Fox….just too many dumb bastards.

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    • Replies: @Karl
    36 Realist > That means the pompous, egotistical [& expensive] asshole Bill O’reilly is out.

    Fox's Comptroller (the guy who has to meet the payroll every two weeks) is quite happy, I imagine
    , @fnn
    But here's a STEM super-genius from Czechia who likes O'Reilly:
    http://motls.blogspot.com/2017/04/the-oreilly-factor-was-1-news-program.html
    , @fnn
    Why isn't Coulter taking this to court like Spencer did at Auburn?
    , @Detective Club
    Bill O'Reilly had an average 2.8 million viewers on any given night in 2015. He had the highest rated "news" show on cable in 2015.

    If there were only 2.8 million ass hats in the United States, this country would be a living paradise.

    Off topic but maybe not, Hillary got 2.8 million more votes than Trump on November 8, 2016 - - - there must be a moral there, somewhere . . .
    https://youtu.be/O6igbatG7mk
    That "mellow Black Chick," that Billy Boy leered at, is in for a big pay-day!
    , @Mr. Anon

    OT: At the end of Tucker Carlson’s Fox News program on 4/19/17 Tucker announced that starting 4/24/17 he would be taking over the 8:00 pm ET slot. That means the pompous, egotistical asshole Bill O’reilly is out. Of all the Fox News people Tucker deserves the prime time slot most. Have never understood why O’reilly was such a draw for Fox….just too many dumb bastards.
     
    At the end of Carlson's show, he recites a little slogan about the show standing against pomposity and group-think, which is funny, as "pomposity and group-think" is a pretty apt description of Bill O'Reilly and the Factor (Hannity too, if you substitute "pomposity" with "dull-wittedness").

    I never got why people seemed to like O'Reilly, who is - as you quite correctly said - a pompous, egotistical asshole. I guess old people like him for some reason. The median age of his audience is something like 68. Maybe it was the slow, didactic way he read his monologue, which even sounded like he was talking to a near-deaf old-timer. And it's not as if he is "conservative" in any meaningful sense; he said he wanted to make every gun crime a federal offence. He is just a smug, loud-mouthed neo-con tool. And his shameless cultivation of a cult of personality around himself, and his endless hawking of his books and merchandise was incredibly off-putting. I'm glad to see him go, for whatever reason.

    The elevation of Carlson over the last few months is kind of amazing. Of all the cable TV news hosts, he is the only one with an almost iSteve-like citizenist perspective.
  39. @eah
    People are clearly trolling the shit out of his ratings page -- caveat emptor.

    Are you convinced they’ve got him identified right? People need to be careful in siccing a mob on somebody.

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    • Replies: @Lugash
    When has the Left been careful on siccing the mob on us? He's a Berkely prof, so even if he isn't the guy he's still a flaming liberal.
  40. @eah
    People are clearly trolling the shit out of his ratings page -- caveat emptor.

    Are you convinced they’ve got him identified right? People need to be careful in siccing a mob on somebody.

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    • Replies: @eah
    Of course I only post info found elsewhere, so I cannot be 100% sure -- but the people doing this, ie identifying these violent criminals, are, or seem to be, pretty good at it -- at least I am not aware of any mistakes made to date -- I agree one must be very careful about it, and it is hard to believe a college professor would do something like that -- time will tell.
    , @Mantle of Hate
    From the images I can confirm, as a newly diagnosed Super Identifier:

    https://greenwichuniversity.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_e3xDuCccGAdgbfT

    , @IndieRafael
    Thank you for asking this question, Steve. We need more of this question in American political discourse. Even if it is him, it's worth slowing down and taking a few hours or days or weeks to be sure. Yes, I've taken 7 seconds to look at the photos and it looks like him, but I wouldn't want to be judged by that standard, especially when a mob is waiting. If other solid evidence has been offered that I haven't had time to see, that's different.

    Aside from it being the right thing to do, it's smart politics to avoid stupid mistakes.

    This is not a plea for weakness or letting the savages rule. Whoever he is, once definitely identified, he should have the roof fall in on him. He should be fired and charged with a crime -- someone suggested aggravated assault.

    The point is that it's worth asking, "Are you sure?" in these cases.
  41. The NYT article is wildly biased, and trying to skew reader opinion, but not necessarily lying.

    There is widespread awareness of the left-on-right violent censorship as seen with recent events featuring Milo and Charles Murray. Not as wide as it should be, but many moderates fully see it.

    Some of the left are very good at self-deception and believing their own lies.

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  42. @Amasius
    Bretty gud, but way short of the malicious ridiculousness of this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl91X3JSWrA

    I don't think that will ever be surpassed.

    Bretty gud

    Is that a reference to Le American Bear? Lol dat alwayz gracks me oop.

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  43. @Steve Sailer
    Are you convinced they've got him identified right? People need to be careful in siccing a mob on somebody.

    Of course I only post info found elsewhere, so I cannot be 100% sure — but the people doing this, ie identifying these violent criminals, are, or seem to be, pretty good at it — at least I am not aware of any mistakes made to date — I agree one must be very careful about it, and it is hard to believe a college professor would do something like that — time will tell.

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    • Replies: @berserker
    True. They usually get others to do the dirty work for them while they enjoy their sinecure aka tenure.
    , @Chriscom
    "I agree one must be very careful about it, and it is hard to believe a college professor would do something like that."

    I find that very easy to believe, particularly if a professor thought he could get away with it, which masks tend to help. Melissa Click (is that right?) Was openly calling for protesters to physically assault that student journalist at Missouri. Academe is well into the insane phase.
    , @27 year old
    >it is hard to believe a college professor would do something like that

    A. He's probably an adjunct

    B. Why is that hard to believe? The professors are exactly the people I would expect to do something like this.
    , @snorlax
    They famously identified the Boston bombers wrong, and IIRC there have been a number of other cases.
    , @Bill Jones
    "it is hard to believe a college professor would do something like that — "

    it is hard to believe a sane person would believe that it's hard to believe.
  44. @Steve Sailer
    Are you convinced they've got him identified right? People need to be careful in siccing a mob on somebody.

    From the images I can confirm, as a newly diagnosed Super Identifier:

    https://greenwichuniversity.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_e3xDuCccGAdgbfT

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  45. They’re mostly following Heinlein’s advice that the best way to lie is to tell the right amount of truth, then shut up.

    And since we’re not sure whether to call them “Marxists” or “anarchists” or “antifa”, I propose a more precise term: “the militant wing of the New York Times”.

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  46. @Anonymous
    Has anyone else noticed that Reddit's default page for lurkers has changed significantly? Now we have things like r/esist actively propagandizing on the front page.
    Makes me wonder whether there was a directive from some external organization to do this, or whether this was just the reddit founders acting on their own.
    Its just too coordinated, Reddit acting like NYT acting like WaPo acting like Twitter acting like Facebook acting like MSNBC acting like NPR.

    Stealing:
    Reddit acting like NYT acting like WaPo acting like Twitter acting like Facebook acting like MSNBC acting like NPR.

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  47. This is something you think is awfully clever when you are young (lying without literally lying), but start to hate as you get older.

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  48. Liberals understand that the left wingers caused the riots but the left never lets reality interfere with their views nor will they acknowledge reality. It is much easier if you just think of them as a religious cult. If they hear or read a statement that fits the narrative and emotionally resonates they grab onto it and won’t let go. The more absurd the statement, the better because sane people will wonder WTF? So liberals then can virtue signal about much smarter and compassionate they are than the haters that question such things as ISIS has nothing to do with Islam.

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    Found this interesting:

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  50. Noam Chomsky used to joke that, when he read the NYT, he would read their articles backwards. All of the real information in their articles, he used to say, was contained in the last paragraph or two; the rest of the article was just a bunch of innuendo.

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    • Replies: @candid_observer
    I think that Chomsky's suggestion is not exactly right.

    I find that the typical NY Times article is organized like this:

    1 Headline. Absurdly biased and hysterical
    2 Introductory paragraph summarizing the Narrative
    3 Many paragraphs carefully spun to promote the Narrative by quoting Narrative friendly sources
    4 A paragraph from which a careful reader will be able to deduce the relevant truth
    5 A final paragraph quoting a Narrative friendly source, washing out the taste of truth from the reader's mouth

  51. I don’t know how much personal courage Ann Coulter has, and I couldn’t blame her if she doesn’t want to risk exposing herself to personal violence. But I would wish that she would tell the campus administration to go to hell, that she’s coming to the campus to speak whether they like it or not even if it’s on the steps at Sproul Plaza to anyone who shows up, and that they can either risk a riot, suffer the eternal bad optics of publicly arresting a 55 year-old woman who came to give a speech at the home of the Free Speech Movement, or actually fulfill their duties of maintaining order and protecting the public space they’re responsible for from being taken over by masked hoodlums.

    Some “Proud Boys” types associated with Gavin McInnes, or at least people who are running those social media accounts, seem to be indicating they’ll come back to Berkeley to provide security for Coulter. That I can only imagine would give UC a heart attack!

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    • Replies: @Chase
    That's basically what she has told them.
    , @jill
    Coulter stated she is still going to Berkeley on April 27


    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/berkeley-cancels-ann-coulter-lecture-but-shes-coming-anyway/article/2620709
    , @Mr. Anon

    I don’t know how much personal courage Ann Coulter has, and I couldn’t blame her if she doesn’t want to risk exposing herself to personal violence. But I would wish that she would tell the campus administration to go to hell, that she’s coming to the campus to speak whether they like it or not even if it’s on the steps at Sproul Plaza to anyone who shows up,.....
     
    She said that very thing on Carlson's show last night. She mentioned that she agreed to every ridiculous demand of the Cal administration too, like being forced to speak during the day, rather than at night. In effect, she was practicing "malicious compliance", from the UCB point of view. They were clearly hoping that they would induce her to withdraw from the speaking engagement, but she called their bluff and forced them to actually cancel it.
    , @Alden
    She's announced she will speak at Berkely as planned. There are plenty of parks.
  52. @eah
    Of course I only post info found elsewhere, so I cannot be 100% sure -- but the people doing this, ie identifying these violent criminals, are, or seem to be, pretty good at it -- at least I am not aware of any mistakes made to date -- I agree one must be very careful about it, and it is hard to believe a college professor would do something like that -- time will tell.

    True. They usually get others to do the dirty work for them while they enjoy their sinecure aka tenure.

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  53. Why not use this narrative against the left ? Single out some left wing speaker and protest them everywhere they go so that they cannot speak because of “security reasons”. Not even the NYT could spin away an argument that having the hecklers veto for right wing speakers is allowed while for left wingers it should not be allowed.

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  54. @European-American
    Similarly, the Washington Post calls Coulter a firebrand.

    firebrand:
    1. a piece of burning wood
    2. one that creates unrest or strife (as in aggressively promoting a cause)
     
    Let's keep firebrands well away from our safe spaces, shall we?

    “maverick” is another leftist favorite. Of course “controversial” is another standard. “Outspoken”. What am I missing. Tom Tancredo was, and Steve King still is, favorite targets. Controversial Iowa Congressman Steve King. Tom Tancredo, maverick firebrand Congressman from Colorado. Totally middle of the road normal Vermont representative Bernie Sanders.

    These all are reserved for nationalist/conservative/closed borders types. On the left, there are no outspoken, controversial, or extreme points of view.

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    • Replies: @Lurker
    Have to disagree somewhat.

    Outspoken = bravely repeating the elite narrative while firmly grasping the MSM/Twitter/Faceberg megaphone.

    Controversial = repeating ideas frowned upon by the elite but popular with many, if not the majority of, regular people.
  55. USA Today published an article about the first Dreamer deported by the Trump administration. The sad narrative of the article went on and on until the poor dreamer was reported to have be caught climbing over a fence into the US. His explanation, and what the paper reported, was that he had just been deported by ICE moments ago and he was making his way back in.

    So if you believe the kid, he’s the first deported Dreamer, but it seems awfully hard to believe.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/04/18/first-protected-dreamer-deported-under-trump/100583274/

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  56. @eah
    People are clearly trolling the shit out of his ratings page -- caveat emptor.

    Just to clarify/correct: I find no evidence that he is currently a philosophy professor at SFSU — eg he is not mentioned on the faculty page — but per the following link, it looks like he received an MA from SFSU, and lectured in 2015 at CSU Sacramento.

    November, 2014 — Philosophy students help high schoolers tackle ethicsAshlie Meredith (from left), Matt Howery and Eric Clanton are among several SF State graduate philosophy students serving as coaches for San Francisco public high school teams competing in the High School Ethics Bowl.

    Again: It is not yet 100% certain this is the guy who bashed someone on the head with a heavy bike lock — you can watch video of the attack here.

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    • Replies: @eah
    A lot more info about Clanton at this link -- it seems he currently teaches at Diablo Valley College in CA -- here is his faculty profile there -- to me the accumulated evidence is pretty convincing -- he used the U-lock to assault people a number of times.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    it looks like he received an MA from SFSU
     
    More likely a BS from STFU.
  57. @Stealth

    ...but most NYT subscribers don’t have a clear memory.
     
    Liberals can't remember anything that happened more than six weeks ago. They don't remember events, but most importantly, they don't remember what they used to care about or what the past was like.

    I remember a time when immigration was not yet a sacred cow to most Americans, when almost everyone, including people with names like Bill Clinton and Harry Reed, thought something should be done about the burgeoning problem of massive illegal immigration. It was ok to say so in public.

    Back then, nobody thought gay marriage was a priority. Hell, nobody thought about it at all. Somehow life went on. That was a very short while ago. It's bizarre to hear them talk about this issue as if it's equivalent to the civil rights movement, to see how passionate they are about it. If it's so important for the state to recognize gay marriage, why didn't liberals think so back then?

    Even more recently, liberals opposed going to war with Iraq for flimsy, fabricated reasons. The fact that Barrack Obama voted to stay out of Iraq was the second most important reason he was elected president. Today, these same liberals believe that going to war against Syria for even dumber reasons is a great idea.

    This is such an important point.

    The left has reversed or ignored itself on most major policy issues in maybe the last 15 years, at most.

    Remember fears about population explosion in Africa? Handing out contraception to Africans? Controversy between the left and the right about government funding for abortion and contraception of non-whites overseas?

    Remember loathing over suburbia? Urban sprawl? The legal battles over more and more housing, condo and apartment developments, commercial spaces and the like? Remember how much the left would despise the SUV, or McMansions?

    Remember the environment? Obsessions with recycling, promotion of bike trails, population’s effect on natural resources? Remember the left losing it’s mind over liter on the sides of our highways and streets?

    Remember Occupy Wall Street? Corporate greed, endless corporate tax loopholes, tax breaks for finance, insurance and real estate industries? Remember when Corporate America was the source of every evil on the planet?

    Remember how it used to be completely acceptable for there to be separate countries, with separate legal systems and governments, and how appalling it was that the US military-industrial complex would invade and change those systems of government?

    Every policy position of the left has become subservient to one, exclusive goal – the extermination of the white middle and under class in the West.

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  58. @anony-mouse
    Sorry, but you're a bit blank-slatish on this, Steve. The NYT base readership and the NYT are both sympatico on this. No misleading there.

    Of course the base readership of Unz.com is its own cocoon too. Its cocoons all over.

    8 Anony-mouse > . The NYT base readership and the NYT are both sympatico on this. No misleading there. Of course the base readership of Unz.com

    I can name a Unz blogger who not only reads the entire ( = pays them real money) NY Times everyday, but gives it lots & lots of free publicity.

    American Independence was not won by reading the London newspapers every day, me thinks.

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    But he's not the base readership. More like what I'm doing.
  59. @Stealth

    ...but most NYT subscribers don’t have a clear memory.
     
    Liberals can't remember anything that happened more than six weeks ago. They don't remember events, but most importantly, they don't remember what they used to care about or what the past was like.

    I remember a time when immigration was not yet a sacred cow to most Americans, when almost everyone, including people with names like Bill Clinton and Harry Reed, thought something should be done about the burgeoning problem of massive illegal immigration. It was ok to say so in public.

    Back then, nobody thought gay marriage was a priority. Hell, nobody thought about it at all. Somehow life went on. That was a very short while ago. It's bizarre to hear them talk about this issue as if it's equivalent to the civil rights movement, to see how passionate they are about it. If it's so important for the state to recognize gay marriage, why didn't liberals think so back then?

    Even more recently, liberals opposed going to war with Iraq for flimsy, fabricated reasons. The fact that Barrack Obama voted to stay out of Iraq was the second most important reason he was elected president. Today, these same liberals believe that going to war against Syria for even dumber reasons is a great idea.

    Even more recently, liberals opposed going to war with Iraq for flimsy, fabricated reasons.

    Actually, the leading liberal lights cheerled the war in Iraq to show that they weren’t wimps after 9/11. They only came to “oppose” the war in the 2004 Primary when Howard Dean caught fire with the Democrat base as the retro George McGovern and the likes of Kerry had to chase him to the Left.

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    People dressed up like ninjas versus people dressed up like Captain America, with the horn of the third world, the vuvuzela, providing the soundtrack.

    This is Idiocracy.

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    Anon, nice comment and who can forget the vuvuzelas making the World Cup matches unwatchable from South Africa.
  61. @Fran Macadam
    "Serious question, do they explicitly teach how to do this at journalism school?"

    Nah, you learn it on the job. Right quick if you want to have a career.

    “Nah, you learn it on the job. Right quick if you want to have a career.”

    Exactly. “Manufacturing Consent” by Chomsky and Herman has a lot on this learning process. It’s basically self-indoctrination.

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    Exactly. “Manufacturing Consent” by Chomsky and Herman has a lot on this learning process. It’s basically self-indoctrination.

    Neither Prof. Chomsky nor Prof. Herman ever worked at a newspaper. Prof. Herman's actual academic specialty had nothing to do with social research and Chomsky is famous for undertaking no empirical research (his critics maintain his theoretical work doesn't pan out either).
  62. @Realist
    OT: At the end of Tucker Carlson's Fox News program on 4/19/17 Tucker announced that starting 4/24/17 he would be taking over the 8:00 pm ET slot. That means the pompous, egotistical asshole Bill O'reilly is out. Of all the Fox News people Tucker deserves the prime time slot most.
    Have never understood why O'reilly was such a draw for Fox....just too many dumb bastards.

    36 Realist > That means the pompous, egotistical [& expensive] asshole Bill O’reilly is out.

    Fox’s Comptroller (the guy who has to meet the payroll every two weeks) is quite happy, I imagine

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  63. Milo is so incendiary that fires sporadically pop up when he speaks at venues. Who sets those fires? I don’t know but I bet whoever did it was wearing a red hat.

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  64. @JW Bell
    If the NYT and its readers were simpatico there'd be no need for the deception.

    I don’t think it’s deception so much as relating a story in the way that matches the ideological twists and turns common on the Left. Antifa/Commie violence isn’t violence, it’s speech against hate. Coulter’s speech isn’t speech, it’s hate which is a form of violence against the “most vulnerable.” So when you’ve integrated this way of thinking into your worldview the NYT’s presentation makes perfect sense.

    The anarchists broke windows and destroyed property because the proximity to spoken violence was intolerable and their behavior was in reaction to it. Coulter’s speech was cancelled because the natural and reasonable left wing reaction to her verbal violence and those who would be there to support and protect her is a security concern. The Left is some sort of organic mass that is passive in this way of thinking, and its behavior isn’t behavior but rather an inevitable and unavoidable consequence of exposure to hate stimuli. Left wing violence might just as easily be viewed as weather events or the instinctive and foreseeable reactions of a wild animal. You wouldn’t say “the tiger had previously justified violence and hatred for his political opposition and contradicted his own prior stated principles about freedom when he attacked and consumed the man who happened into his cage.” You’d say “that’s a tiger being a tiger” and the real story would be how the poor sap wound up in the tiger’s cage.

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    I don’t think it’s deception so much as relating a story in the way that matches the ideological twists and turns common on the Left.
     
    Still deception whatever the purpose. Just because a rationale can be constructed, it does not follow that it is true, or right, or even rational.
  65. @Anonymous
    Has anyone else noticed that Reddit's default page for lurkers has changed significantly? Now we have things like r/esist actively propagandizing on the front page.
    Makes me wonder whether there was a directive from some external organization to do this, or whether this was just the reddit founders acting on their own.
    Its just too coordinated, Reddit acting like NYT acting like WaPo acting like Twitter acting like Facebook acting like MSNBC acting like NPR.

    That sort of thing is not all that new. reddit Inc. Is embarrassed by Maga groups and similar communities and has been playing tricks on down voting and the like for some time.

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  66. @eah
    Of course I only post info found elsewhere, so I cannot be 100% sure -- but the people doing this, ie identifying these violent criminals, are, or seem to be, pretty good at it -- at least I am not aware of any mistakes made to date -- I agree one must be very careful about it, and it is hard to believe a college professor would do something like that -- time will tell.

    “I agree one must be very careful about it, and it is hard to believe a college professor would do something like that.”

    I find that very easy to believe, particularly if a professor thought he could get away with it, which masks tend to help. Melissa Click (is that right?) Was openly calling for protesters to physically assault that student journalist at Missouri. Academe is well into the insane phase.

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  67. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Stealth

    ...but most NYT subscribers don’t have a clear memory.
     
    Liberals can't remember anything that happened more than six weeks ago. They don't remember events, but most importantly, they don't remember what they used to care about or what the past was like.

    I remember a time when immigration was not yet a sacred cow to most Americans, when almost everyone, including people with names like Bill Clinton and Harry Reed, thought something should be done about the burgeoning problem of massive illegal immigration. It was ok to say so in public.

    Back then, nobody thought gay marriage was a priority. Hell, nobody thought about it at all. Somehow life went on. That was a very short while ago. It's bizarre to hear them talk about this issue as if it's equivalent to the civil rights movement, to see how passionate they are about it. If it's so important for the state to recognize gay marriage, why didn't liberals think so back then?

    Even more recently, liberals opposed going to war with Iraq for flimsy, fabricated reasons. The fact that Barrack Obama voted to stay out of Iraq was the second most important reason he was elected president. Today, these same liberals believe that going to war against Syria for even dumber reasons is a great idea.

    “Back then, nobody thought gay marriage was a priority. Hell, nobody thought about it at all. Somehow life went on. That was a very short while ago. It’s bizarre to hear them talk about this issue as if it’s equivalent to the civil rights movement, to see how passionate they are about it. If it’s so important for the state to recognize gay marriage, why didn’t liberals think so back then?”

    More to the point, nor did homosexuals. “Gay Marriage/Gays are just like us” was invented by liberals to replace the previous narrative, “Gays are better better because they aren’t restricted by marriage and kids and so can have lots of sex”, which was rendered implausible by AIDS.

    The point being, neither had anything to do with the actual role played by homosexuals in Western culture; this “gay” business was invented to co-opt homosexual liberation by the Left and absorb them into the Rainbow Wrecking Crew (what Steve calls “the coalition of the fringes”).

    I wrote a book about it.

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  68. Dahlia, thank you for caring. For trying. But it isn’t your duty. Look after your family, prepare them.

    Liberals can’t remember anything that happened more than six weeks ago. They don’t remember events, but most importantly, they don’t remember what they used to care about or what the past was like.

    Leftists can’t even keep the lies they’ve told in the last six hours straight in their heads.

    Of course, Ziad’s claim is valid: black lives most certainly matter. The Black Lives Matter movement reflects the legitimate sentiments of frustration and abandonment on the part of many Americans; given my own background, I am intimately familiar with the anguish that pervades many communities across America. Moreover, it is incumbent upon American society to understand and address the concerns of its citizens.

    Sure; it’s no more valid than “White lives matter.” Actually less, from a Nationalist point of view, since Whites are a far bigger share of the American population than Blacks are. That’s without taking into consideration the races’ economic and civic importance; if all the Whites were to disappear tomorrow, the country would collapse entirely, while America would hardly miss a stride if all the Blacks were to disappear. That’s actually being rather kind, given the social malaise, by any non-Black standard, that accompanies Black populations. The rise in property values alone would be worth trillions.

    How many times do they say “right-wing?” And what do they call the other side? “Anarchists?” Which used to be popularly associated with left-wing terrorists, but now means kids being kids, or whatever.

    It’s almost as if there’s no left wing at all. Just normal people and those weird, violent righties.

    Lefties don’t like being called lefties. They prefer the cloak of “moderation,” or if they must be identified as the left, they prefer “liberal,” “progressive,” etc. I suppose “leftist” has a whiff of Stalin, Mao, gulags, shallow graves, show trials, totalitarianism, oppression, and megadeaths. A scant, even imperceptible whiff in the popular mind, but enough in theirs to set them off.

    Of course the base readership of Unz.com is its own cocoon too. Its cocoons all over.

    The left’s cocoon is positive space, to use a design term; it’s a concrete thing, an active wall of censorship and suppression of speech intended to separate them from inconvenient information. The right’s cocoon is negative space in a free speech zone, the result of leftists’ strong aversion to heresy. Rightists don’t keep leftists out, free speech and the truth do.

    Leftists won all their just wars generations ago, and it shows.

    The NYT article is wildly biased, and trying to skew reader opinion, but not necessarily lying.

    Bullshit. It’s deliberately deceptive, that’s what lying is. Obfuscation is lying. Lies by omission are lies. Lying is Big Media’s business, has been for a long time. It’s gotten so bad that even the truth they tell is lies, designed to camouflage the deception.

    This is something you think is awfully clever when you are young (lying without literally lying), but start to hate as you get older.

    I started out hating it, and began hating it more and more as I got older. I was raised in a no-bullshit zone.

    Bill O’Reilly wasn’t much of a Conservative, best I could tell. I don’t feel bad about his ouster, except insofar as the accusations are false.

    P.S., paean, not peon.

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  69. So they just read this to align with their prejudices

    That is how it is written as well. That is their reality, anything that aligns with their prejudices is all they see. Anything else does not compute.

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    Pissing off your readers = losing your audience = going out of business. My sense is that a lot of media sources have this tension between three goals:

    a. Telling the story they want to tell.
    b. Not pissing off the readers too much.
    c. Not lying.

    I commonly listen to NPR stories where it's obvious that the reporter is doing his best to not actually lie, while also not bringing up any of the data that would contradict the story he wants to tell. This is how you get those amazing NYT stories where information in the last three paragraphs changes the whole tone of the story.

    The best example of (b) I can think of is the runup to the Iraq war. Lots of news media seem to have decided that anything but patriotic pro-war fervor would piss off their readers/viewers/listeners too much, so they chose their subjectsand sources and wrote their stories accordingly.
  70. As the Washington Post (of all places) just reported in the Style section, The NY Times used a patently fake accusation by Wendy Walsh to destroy Bill O’Reilly’s career.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/in-the-fight-of-his-career-oreillys-side-swings-back-on-harassment-charge/2017/04/17/b55415ce-214e-11e7-ad74-3a742a6e93a7_story.html?utm_term=.4b354d26ce57

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    Bill was a windbag, but his firing shows how far the feminist/pc/rape hysteria crowd have come.
    Unless he exposed himself or raped someone, this is all bullshit.
    Same with Bill Cosby.
    When I was a kid, I thought his albums were hilarious.
    So he took 'ludes with a lot of chicks and had sex with them.
    Doesn't sound like rape to me.
    What were these chicks expecting, hanging out with a big star?
    If you sum up Cosby's contribution to life on Earth, and the allegations are a negative,
    he is still in the black(no pun intended).
    Fuck Fox News.
  71. Moreover, it is incumbent upon American society to understand and address the concerns of its citizens. – John Rice-Cameron

    Maybe in the next election, the Democrats can take this to heart and not write off a good portion of the population as “deplorables.”

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  72. @Realist
    OT: At the end of Tucker Carlson's Fox News program on 4/19/17 Tucker announced that starting 4/24/17 he would be taking over the 8:00 pm ET slot. That means the pompous, egotistical asshole Bill O'reilly is out. Of all the Fox News people Tucker deserves the prime time slot most.
    Have never understood why O'reilly was such a draw for Fox....just too many dumb bastards.

    But here’s a STEM super-genius from Czechia who likes O’Reilly:

    http://motls.blogspot.com/2017/04/the-oreilly-factor-was-1-news-program.html

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    No type of genius let alone a super genius would waste his time watching dickhead O'Reilly.
    Your cleverness fails you.
  73. @Thomas
    I don't know how much personal courage Ann Coulter has, and I couldn't blame her if she doesn't want to risk exposing herself to personal violence. But I would wish that she would tell the campus administration to go to hell, that she's coming to the campus to speak whether they like it or not even if it's on the steps at Sproul Plaza to anyone who shows up, and that they can either risk a riot, suffer the eternal bad optics of publicly arresting a 55 year-old woman who came to give a speech at the home of the Free Speech Movement, or actually fulfill their duties of maintaining order and protecting the public space they're responsible for from being taken over by masked hoodlums.

    Some "Proud Boys" types associated with Gavin McInnes, or at least people who are running those social media accounts, seem to be indicating they'll come back to Berkeley to provide security for Coulter. That I can only imagine would give UC a heart attack!

    That’s basically what she has told them.

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  74. @Realist
    OT: At the end of Tucker Carlson's Fox News program on 4/19/17 Tucker announced that starting 4/24/17 he would be taking over the 8:00 pm ET slot. That means the pompous, egotistical asshole Bill O'reilly is out. Of all the Fox News people Tucker deserves the prime time slot most.
    Have never understood why O'reilly was such a draw for Fox....just too many dumb bastards.

    Why isn’t Coulter taking this to court like Spencer did at Auburn?

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  75. Left wing violence might just as easily be viewed as weather events or the instinctive and foreseeable reactions of a wild animal.

    Just so. If Coulter is allowed to perform her rain dance, then the rain will come. And what merely human agency could deter it?

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  76. “but most NYT subscribers don’t have a clear memory. So they just read this to align with their prejudices: those College Republicans smashed windows, etc.”
    In context, that sentence sounds like windows were smashed by people protesting the right-wing writer Milo, so probably not the College Republicans who invited him.

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    Also, calling a right-wing group "shadowy" is just objective, neutral reporting.
  77. @CrunchybutRealistCon
    If you're not happy with your grade, just club him with the U-Lock & he'll surely agree to reassess.

    There was also an Antifa at Auburn who whacked a lone Trump supporter multiple times to the torso with a U-Lock or similar concealed under a piece of cloth. The guy was already locked in battle w/ another Antifa when she piled on. These people are vermin.

    Here’s a good impromptu weapon to make, though you need some type of sturdy bag/sack if a pillowcase is not at hand; I know! you can use one of those environmentally safe reusable grocery bags!

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    You fight with what you have. Remember the clown who charged the stage at a Stones gig? Keef whacked him in the face with a Fender guitar and dropped him without hesitation. Hasn't been done since.
  78. @eah
    Just to clarify/correct: I find no evidence that he is currently a philosophy professor at SFSU -- eg he is not mentioned on the faculty page -- but per the following link, it looks like he received an MA from SFSU, and lectured in 2015 at CSU Sacramento.

    November, 2014 -- Philosophy students help high schoolers tackle ethics -- Ashlie Meredith (from left), Matt Howery and Eric Clanton are among several SF State graduate philosophy students serving as coaches for San Francisco public high school teams competing in the High School Ethics Bowl.

    Again: It is not yet 100% certain this is the guy who bashed someone on the head with a heavy bike lock -- you can watch video of the attack here.

    A lot more info about Clanton at this link — it seems he currently teaches at Diablo Valley College in CA — here is his faculty profile there — to me the accumulated evidence is pretty convincing — he used the U-lock to assault people a number of times.

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    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/855092668514390016
  79. @Thomas
    I don't know how much personal courage Ann Coulter has, and I couldn't blame her if she doesn't want to risk exposing herself to personal violence. But I would wish that she would tell the campus administration to go to hell, that she's coming to the campus to speak whether they like it or not even if it's on the steps at Sproul Plaza to anyone who shows up, and that they can either risk a riot, suffer the eternal bad optics of publicly arresting a 55 year-old woman who came to give a speech at the home of the Free Speech Movement, or actually fulfill their duties of maintaining order and protecting the public space they're responsible for from being taken over by masked hoodlums.

    Some "Proud Boys" types associated with Gavin McInnes, or at least people who are running those social media accounts, seem to be indicating they'll come back to Berkeley to provide security for Coulter. That I can only imagine would give UC a heart attack!

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  80. @Steve Sailer
    Are you convinced they've got him identified right? People need to be careful in siccing a mob on somebody.

    Thank you for asking this question, Steve. We need more of this question in American political discourse. Even if it is him, it’s worth slowing down and taking a few hours or days or weeks to be sure. Yes, I’ve taken 7 seconds to look at the photos and it looks like him, but I wouldn’t want to be judged by that standard, especially when a mob is waiting. If other solid evidence has been offered that I haven’t had time to see, that’s different.

    Aside from it being the right thing to do, it’s smart politics to avoid stupid mistakes.

    This is not a plea for weakness or letting the savages rule. Whoever he is, once definitely identified, he should have the roof fall in on him. He should be fired and charged with a crime — someone suggested aggravated assault.

    The point is that it’s worth asking, “Are you sure?” in these cases.

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    Amen! If this guy wasn't the rioter, spreading the lie that he was is unjust, as well as seriously nasty and potentially life-wrecking.
  81. @Anon
    OT: From The Stanford Review:

    #AdmissionsDecisionsMatter: The Stanford Admissions Office’s Disturbing Concession

    By John Rice-Cameron

    “What matters to you and why?” This question was my favorite part of Stanford’s application. In my application, I discussed why Africa matters to me. I explained that my connection to the continent was not simply ancestral, recounting how seven trips to Africa inspired a lifelong interest in wildlife and the promises and perils facing the developing world.

    Ziad Ahmed, an applicant to the Stanford class of 2021, had a decidedly different take on the question. His essay consisted solely of the statement “#BlackLivesMatter,” repeated 100 times. ...

    Of course, Ziad’s claim is valid: black lives most certainly matter. The Black Lives Matter movement reflects the legitimate sentiments of frustration and abandonment on the part of many Americans; given my own background, I am intimately familiar with the anguish that pervades many communities across America. Moreover, it is incumbent upon American society to understand and address the concerns of its citizens.

    But regardless of how legitimate Ziad’s claim may be, his refusal to provide an explanation directly undermines Stanford’s values of open inquiry and self-reflection.

    However, I doubt that Stanford would have admitted an applicant of equal qualifications who, in an effort to display his passion for God and country, answered the essay question by repeating the phrase #GodBlessAmerica 100 times.
     
    It took me a little bit to figure out who John Rice-Cameron is but then it hit me. :-)

    However, I doubt that Stanford would have admitted an applicant of equal qualifications who, in an effort to display his passion for God and country, answered the essay question by repeating the phrase #GodBlessAmerica 100 times.

    Bingo.

    I’d like to see someone scrawl out “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” 100 times on his Stanford application and see what happens.

    He’d probably be the victim of a no-knock SWAT raid within 48 hours…

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  82. Another misleading story about Trump that receives over 32,000 retweets while the correction currently sits at… 54. Every single time.

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    The Patriots' tweet in response got much, much more.
  83. @Realist
    OT: At the end of Tucker Carlson's Fox News program on 4/19/17 Tucker announced that starting 4/24/17 he would be taking over the 8:00 pm ET slot. That means the pompous, egotistical asshole Bill O'reilly is out. Of all the Fox News people Tucker deserves the prime time slot most.
    Have never understood why O'reilly was such a draw for Fox....just too many dumb bastards.

    Bill O’Reilly had an average 2.8 million viewers on any given night in 2015. He had the highest rated “news” show on cable in 2015.

    If there were only 2.8 million ass hats in the United States, this country would be a living paradise.

    Off topic but maybe not, Hillary got 2.8 million more votes than Trump on November 8, 2016 – - – there must be a moral there, somewhere . . .
    https://youtu.be/O6igbatG7mk
    That “mellow Black Chick,” that Billy Boy leered at, is in for a big pay-day!

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    "If there were only 2.8 million ass hats in the United States, this country would be a living paradise."

    The rest are watching Dancing with The Stars or some other inane bullshit.
  84. @eah
    Of course I only post info found elsewhere, so I cannot be 100% sure -- but the people doing this, ie identifying these violent criminals, are, or seem to be, pretty good at it -- at least I am not aware of any mistakes made to date -- I agree one must be very careful about it, and it is hard to believe a college professor would do something like that -- time will tell.

    >it is hard to believe a college professor would do something like that

    A. He’s probably an adjunct

    B. Why is that hard to believe? The professors are exactly the people I would expect to do something like this.

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    One wonders what it will take for regular people to come to terms with the nature of today's professors. It's been awhile.
  85. @Alfa158
    This is second hand obviously, but one of my colleagues went to journalism school at a major university, then moved into corporate marketing communications because he was a conservative and didn't fit into modern news organizations.
    According to him J schools teach the mechanics of the profession very well, writing, how to conduct an interview, uncover the facts etc. However the faculties universally teach that the journalist has a profound duty to make the world a better place, help the weak and promote the truth. The truth, in turn, is more or less implied to be whatever makes the world a better place. And the definition of a better world is now set by the Left. So in affect journalists are trained to write deceptive material like this.
    Anther factor is that the NYT caters to its echo chamber. This is what their readers pay good money to read, and it would hurt the newspaper's bottom line to stick to facts.

    According to him J schools teach the mechanics of the profession very well, writing, how to conduct an interview, uncover the facts etc.

    Then why are journalists mostly so bad? I can barely recall ever having seen an American journalist even bother to ask a follow-up question. When a pol or pundit gives them the standard evasion, they just move on to the next question, rather than asking him to clarify his answer, or asking him to explain his assumptions, or just asking him to actually answer the damned question. Most journalists strike me as being exceptionally lazy and superficial.

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    • Replies: @NOTA
    Journalism as a field has been crushed these last few years--something like half the jobs in the field have disappeared in the last couple decades. And online media get paid for clicks, which rewards sensationalism and tellign stories people want to hear, not care in getting the facts right.
  86. Steve, I think this is wrong and they are telling the truth.

    They are actually afraid for the safety of their antifa. They don’t want MAGA bros kicking their ass a second time. More accurately: they don’t want the optics of antifa losing again. I’m sure they don’t give a single shit about the actual antifa. Their logic goes: no speech, no riot, no counter-riot where they lose. Therefore they can call it a draw or even a victory.

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  87. @Thomas
    I don't know how much personal courage Ann Coulter has, and I couldn't blame her if she doesn't want to risk exposing herself to personal violence. But I would wish that she would tell the campus administration to go to hell, that she's coming to the campus to speak whether they like it or not even if it's on the steps at Sproul Plaza to anyone who shows up, and that they can either risk a riot, suffer the eternal bad optics of publicly arresting a 55 year-old woman who came to give a speech at the home of the Free Speech Movement, or actually fulfill their duties of maintaining order and protecting the public space they're responsible for from being taken over by masked hoodlums.

    Some "Proud Boys" types associated with Gavin McInnes, or at least people who are running those social media accounts, seem to be indicating they'll come back to Berkeley to provide security for Coulter. That I can only imagine would give UC a heart attack!

    I don’t know how much personal courage Ann Coulter has, and I couldn’t blame her if she doesn’t want to risk exposing herself to personal violence. But I would wish that she would tell the campus administration to go to hell, that she’s coming to the campus to speak whether they like it or not even if it’s on the steps at Sproul Plaza to anyone who shows up,…..

    She said that very thing on Carlson’s show last night. She mentioned that she agreed to every ridiculous demand of the Cal administration too, like being forced to speak during the day, rather than at night. In effect, she was practicing “malicious compliance”, from the UCB point of view. They were clearly hoping that they would induce her to withdraw from the speaking engagement, but she called their bluff and forced them to actually cancel it.

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  88. @Alec Leamas
    I don't think it's deception so much as relating a story in the way that matches the ideological twists and turns common on the Left. Antifa/Commie violence isn't violence, it's speech against hate. Coulter's speech isn't speech, it's hate which is a form of violence against the "most vulnerable." So when you've integrated this way of thinking into your worldview the NYT's presentation makes perfect sense.

    The anarchists broke windows and destroyed property because the proximity to spoken violence was intolerable and their behavior was in reaction to it. Coulter's speech was cancelled because the natural and reasonable left wing reaction to her verbal violence and those who would be there to support and protect her is a security concern. The Left is some sort of organic mass that is passive in this way of thinking, and its behavior isn't behavior but rather an inevitable and unavoidable consequence of exposure to hate stimuli. Left wing violence might just as easily be viewed as weather events or the instinctive and foreseeable reactions of a wild animal. You wouldn't say "the tiger had previously justified violence and hatred for his political opposition and contradicted his own prior stated principles about freedom when he attacked and consumed the man who happened into his cage." You'd say "that's a tiger being a tiger" and the real story would be how the poor sap wound up in the tiger's cage.

    I don’t think it’s deception so much as relating a story in the way that matches the ideological twists and turns common on the Left.

    Still deception whatever the purpose. Just because a rationale can be constructed, it does not follow that it is true, or right, or even rational.

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    • Replies: @guest
    I think the above poster's point is that they're delusional, not that they're rationalizing.

    I don't agree. They're just liars.
  89. @27 year old
    >it is hard to believe a college professor would do something like that

    A. He's probably an adjunct

    B. Why is that hard to believe? The professors are exactly the people I would expect to do something like this.

    One wonders what it will take for regular people to come to terms with the nature of today’s professors. It’s been awhile.

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  90. All the new that is fit to print, remember the qualifier! Ah, the power of the megaphone.

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  91. @eah
    Of course I only post info found elsewhere, so I cannot be 100% sure -- but the people doing this, ie identifying these violent criminals, are, or seem to be, pretty good at it -- at least I am not aware of any mistakes made to date -- I agree one must be very careful about it, and it is hard to believe a college professor would do something like that -- time will tell.

    They famously identified the Boston bombers wrong, and IIRC there have been a number of other cases.

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "They famously identified the Boston bombers wrong,............"

    However they did point out all the guys hanging around that day who appeared to have been affiliated with Craft International, which was..................interesting.
  92. The technique is so routine that it’s almost boring.

    Whenever they want to brainwash their readers, they come up with an ambiguous headline. For example:

    “Violence at Trump rallies”.

    That way, the blanks are left for readers to fill. If the readers fill it with “Trump supporters attacked angelic Democrats”, The Lying Press accomplishes its goal without getting blamed. Same with NYT’s

    “Berkeley Cancels Ann Coulter Speech Over Safety Fears”

    I bet many readers will assume that Coulter or her supporters are threatening to beat up someone.
    Things have gotten so bad that whenever I see an ambiguous headline, I assume bad intentions.

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  93. @Realist
    OT: At the end of Tucker Carlson's Fox News program on 4/19/17 Tucker announced that starting 4/24/17 he would be taking over the 8:00 pm ET slot. That means the pompous, egotistical asshole Bill O'reilly is out. Of all the Fox News people Tucker deserves the prime time slot most.
    Have never understood why O'reilly was such a draw for Fox....just too many dumb bastards.

    OT: At the end of Tucker Carlson’s Fox News program on 4/19/17 Tucker announced that starting 4/24/17 he would be taking over the 8:00 pm ET slot. That means the pompous, egotistical asshole Bill O’reilly is out. Of all the Fox News people Tucker deserves the prime time slot most. Have never understood why O’reilly was such a draw for Fox….just too many dumb bastards.

    At the end of Carlson’s show, he recites a little slogan about the show standing against pomposity and group-think, which is funny, as “pomposity and group-think” is a pretty apt description of Bill O’Reilly and the Factor (Hannity too, if you substitute “pomposity” with “dull-wittedness”).

    I never got why people seemed to like O’Reilly, who is – as you quite correctly said – a pompous, egotistical asshole. I guess old people like him for some reason. The median age of his audience is something like 68. Maybe it was the slow, didactic way he read his monologue, which even sounded like he was talking to a near-deaf old-timer. And it’s not as if he is “conservative” in any meaningful sense; he said he wanted to make every gun crime a federal offence. He is just a smug, loud-mouthed neo-con tool. And his shameless cultivation of a cult of personality around himself, and his endless hawking of his books and merchandise was incredibly off-putting. I’m glad to see him go, for whatever reason.

    The elevation of Carlson over the last few months is kind of amazing. Of all the cable TV news hosts, he is the only one with an almost iSteve-like citizenist perspective.

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    • Agree: Bill Jones, Travis
    • Replies: @Realist
    " I guess old people like him for some reason. The median age of his audience is something like 68. Maybe it was the slow, didactic way he read his monologue, which even sounded like he was talking to a near-deaf old-timer."

    Hey I am 73 and do not fit that description, but I agree many "old-timers" do. There are way too many vacuous programs on television that also attract young viewers.

    I do agree with your comments.
  94. @snorlax
    They famously identified the Boston bombers wrong, and IIRC there have been a number of other cases.

    “They famously identified the Boston bombers wrong,…………”

    However they did point out all the guys hanging around that day who appeared to have been affiliated with Craft International, which was………………interesting.

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  95. @Stealth

    ...but most NYT subscribers don’t have a clear memory.
     
    Liberals can't remember anything that happened more than six weeks ago. They don't remember events, but most importantly, they don't remember what they used to care about or what the past was like.

    I remember a time when immigration was not yet a sacred cow to most Americans, when almost everyone, including people with names like Bill Clinton and Harry Reed, thought something should be done about the burgeoning problem of massive illegal immigration. It was ok to say so in public.

    Back then, nobody thought gay marriage was a priority. Hell, nobody thought about it at all. Somehow life went on. That was a very short while ago. It's bizarre to hear them talk about this issue as if it's equivalent to the civil rights movement, to see how passionate they are about it. If it's so important for the state to recognize gay marriage, why didn't liberals think so back then?

    Even more recently, liberals opposed going to war with Iraq for flimsy, fabricated reasons. The fact that Barrack Obama voted to stay out of Iraq was the second most important reason he was elected president. Today, these same liberals believe that going to war against Syria for even dumber reasons is a great idea.

    Bush’s reasons for attaqing Iraq were as flimsy and fabricated as hypocritical liberals’ reasons for opposing it.

    Iraq was a needless war, as meaningless and wasteful a slaughter as Vietnam.

    (You can thank that great liberal, Lyndon Johnson, for the latter. Johnson’s trumped-up rationale for putting our boys through the meat grinder was more than a little flimsy and fabricated, as well.)

    Also, the NYT, through its flawed reporting of the supposed threat that Saddam posed to us, was one of the leading boosters of our little crusade in Iraq.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Bush’s reasons for attaqing Iraq were as flimsy and fabricated as hypocritical liberals’ reasons for opposing it.
     
    You didn't specify which Bush.

    What did Saddam ever do to Kuwait that Kuwaitis– and Arabs everywhere else– didn't have coming good and hard? (Besides imposing women's suffrage, that is.)

    Hell, we had no business in the Germany-France business either time. It was just the Krauts' payback for previous centuries abuse.

    The Bushes were just the return of Wilson and Roosevelt.
  96. @Mark Caplan
    As the Washington Post (of all places) just reported in the Style section, The NY Times used a patently fake accusation by Wendy Walsh to destroy Bill O'Reilly's career.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/in-the-fight-of-his-career-oreillys-side-swings-back-on-harassment-charge/2017/04/17/b55415ce-214e-11e7-ad74-3a742a6e93a7_story.html?utm_term=.4b354d26ce57

    Bill was a windbag, but his firing shows how far the feminist/pc/rape hysteria crowd have come.
    Unless he exposed himself or raped someone, this is all bullshit.
    Same with Bill Cosby.
    When I was a kid, I thought his albums were hilarious.
    So he took ‘ludes with a lot of chicks and had sex with them.
    Doesn’t sound like rape to me.
    What were these chicks expecting, hanging out with a big star?
    If you sum up Cosby’s contribution to life on Earth, and the allegations are a negative,
    he is still in the black(no pun intended).
    Fuck Fox News.

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    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    If you following OReilly's coverage of Ron Paul a few years ago You'd realize what a bullying, vicious, nasty piece of agenda driven shit he is.
  97. @CrunchybutRealistCon
    If you're not happy with your grade, just club him with the U-Lock & he'll surely agree to reassess.

    There was also an Antifa at Auburn who whacked a lone Trump supporter multiple times to the torso with a U-Lock or similar concealed under a piece of cloth. The guy was already locked in battle w/ another Antifa when she piled on. These people are vermin.

    “There was also an Antifa at Auburn who whacked a lone Trump supporter multiple times to the torso with a U-Lock or similar concealed under a piece of cloth. The guy was already locked in battle w/ another Antifa when she piled on.”

    From what I heard, the “she” was actually a tranny.

    You’d think the police could arrest the antifa based on the fact that they routinely brandish a weapon – their highly offensive smell. According to a lot of people who have encountered them, the antifa stink really, really bad. They have weaponized B.O. though a rigourous regimen of never bathing.

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    • Replies: @Boomstick
    The Black Bloc like to use women as shields and distractions. They'll stack women the women in the front, where they are vocal and active and not necessarily masked, then a masked guy will sweep in from a little ways back, attack someone, then melt back into the crowd. You can see this all the time in videos. The women focus attention on them, and this helps the ambush attacker. If the encounter starts to get generally violent the women in the front will act like they're attempting to keep the event peaceful, and that prevents counter-attacks by their opponents.
  98. One doesn’t need a time-line. All one must do is ask oneself: when was the last time militant and shadowy groups shut down a left-wing speaker? It’s pretty clear who is doing what to whom.

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  99. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Stealth

    ...but most NYT subscribers don’t have a clear memory.
     
    Liberals can't remember anything that happened more than six weeks ago. They don't remember events, but most importantly, they don't remember what they used to care about or what the past was like.

    I remember a time when immigration was not yet a sacred cow to most Americans, when almost everyone, including people with names like Bill Clinton and Harry Reed, thought something should be done about the burgeoning problem of massive illegal immigration. It was ok to say so in public.

    Back then, nobody thought gay marriage was a priority. Hell, nobody thought about it at all. Somehow life went on. That was a very short while ago. It's bizarre to hear them talk about this issue as if it's equivalent to the civil rights movement, to see how passionate they are about it. If it's so important for the state to recognize gay marriage, why didn't liberals think so back then?

    Even more recently, liberals opposed going to war with Iraq for flimsy, fabricated reasons. The fact that Barrack Obama voted to stay out of Iraq was the second most important reason he was elected president. Today, these same liberals believe that going to war against Syria for even dumber reasons is a great idea.

    Back then, nobody thought gay marriage was a priority. Hell, nobody thought about it at all. Somehow life went on. That was a very short while ago. It’s bizarre to hear them talk about this issue as if it’s equivalent to the civil rights movement, to see how passionate they are about it.

    My favorite example of this was David Letterman talking about Mike Pence and the wedding cake issue. He claimed that in the Indiana HE grew up in, nobody would have ever discriminated against gay weddings.

    http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/01/media/david-letterman-on-indiana-law/

    So, not only did he forget about what Indiana was like when he was growing up, when gays couldn’t get married at all, he forgot what the Indiana of three years ago was like. He even seemed to have forgotten what New York City was like just ten years ago.

    Strangely enough, he had plenty of time to agitate about this issue, and a platform with which to do it, but all I remember him saying about gays was making gay jokes in his Top Ten lists.

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  100. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @TGGP
    "but most NYT subscribers don’t have a clear memory. So they just read this to align with their prejudices: those College Republicans smashed windows, etc."
    In context, that sentence sounds like windows were smashed by people protesting the right-wing writer Milo, so probably not the College Republicans who invited him.

    Also, calling a right-wing group “shadowy” is just objective, neutral reporting.

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  101. @anony-mouse
    Sorry, but you're a bit blank-slatish on this, Steve. The NYT base readership and the NYT are both sympatico on this. No misleading there.

    Of course the base readership of Unz.com is its own cocoon too. Its cocoons all over.

    Its cocoons all over.

    Cuckoos, too and it’s nothing new. We can read all about it in Aristophanes’, “The Birds.”

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  102. @Stealth

    ...but most NYT subscribers don’t have a clear memory.
     
    Liberals can't remember anything that happened more than six weeks ago. They don't remember events, but most importantly, they don't remember what they used to care about or what the past was like.

    I remember a time when immigration was not yet a sacred cow to most Americans, when almost everyone, including people with names like Bill Clinton and Harry Reed, thought something should be done about the burgeoning problem of massive illegal immigration. It was ok to say so in public.

    Back then, nobody thought gay marriage was a priority. Hell, nobody thought about it at all. Somehow life went on. That was a very short while ago. It's bizarre to hear them talk about this issue as if it's equivalent to the civil rights movement, to see how passionate they are about it. If it's so important for the state to recognize gay marriage, why didn't liberals think so back then?

    Even more recently, liberals opposed going to war with Iraq for flimsy, fabricated reasons. The fact that Barrack Obama voted to stay out of Iraq was the second most important reason he was elected president. Today, these same liberals believe that going to war against Syria for even dumber reasons is a great idea.

    Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.

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  103. @guest
    Your reply is inscrutable. Please make more sense.

    You’re very clever young man, but its all cocoons all the way down.

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  104. @unit472
    I think this falls under the 'Haven Monahan' narrative. Liberals KNOW the story line is false but they want it to be true so they play along with the Rodhamster/DNC narrative of gangs of frat boys raping coeds. Its like 'race relations'. The liberal pretends that white racists threaten the lives of young black men but that is just for show. They know better than to be caught alone with a group of young black men because that can lead to real consequences.

    I basically agree; this is not a situation where NYT readership is a bunch of innocent dupes who would change their minds if they only learned the true facts.

    If one of these violent protests were going on and they had a choice between walking down the street alone with a Trump baseball cap or one of those pink cat hats, of course they would choose the second option. Because deep down, they know just as well as everyone else that the vast majority of political violence in the US is coming from the Left.

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  105. @Alden
    The ANTIFA thug who was pounding on Trump supporters has been identified as San Francisco State University professor Eric Clanton. He's a White man so I doubt he's a professor. He's probably a 20 hour a week adjunct instructor or even a TA.

    White male liberals are the absolute worst. They are practically the status of Indian untouchables but they totally refuse to face reality.

    They are nearly universally sexual deviants. SJWism holds no appeal to well adjusted white men.

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  106. @jill
    Another misleading story about Trump that receives over 32,000 retweets while the correction currently sits at... 54. Every single time.

    https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/854872878310981632

    The Patriots’ tweet in response got much, much more.

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  107. @Alden
    The ANTIFA thug who was pounding on Trump supporters has been identified as San Francisco State University professor Eric Clanton. He's a White man so I doubt he's a professor. He's probably a 20 hour a week adjunct instructor or even a TA.

    White male liberals are the absolute worst. They are practically the status of Indian untouchables but they totally refuse to face reality.

    According to his academic web page “He is currently exploring restorative justice from an anti-authoritarian perspective.” Perhaps the California prison system could give him a long period of exploring non-restorative justice from an inmate perspective (assault with grievous bodily harm).

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  108. @Alfa158
    This is second hand obviously, but one of my colleagues went to journalism school at a major university, then moved into corporate marketing communications because he was a conservative and didn't fit into modern news organizations.
    According to him J schools teach the mechanics of the profession very well, writing, how to conduct an interview, uncover the facts etc. However the faculties universally teach that the journalist has a profound duty to make the world a better place, help the weak and promote the truth. The truth, in turn, is more or less implied to be whatever makes the world a better place. And the definition of a better world is now set by the Left. So in affect journalists are trained to write deceptive material like this.
    Anther factor is that the NYT caters to its echo chamber. This is what their readers pay good money to read, and it would hurt the newspaper's bottom line to stick to facts.

    The NY Times bottom line is already hurting plenty. Actually, the point of the NY Times has little to do with a bottom line anyway. It pays dividends in other ways.

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  109. “That’s an intentionally deceptive misstatement of the actual chain of events in Berkeley, reversing the who-whom order of events.”

    So by crafting the narrative that there was a purposeful intention by the NYT—because, after all, everyone knows they lie all of the time—to subtly “distort the order” of events, you conveniently reinforce the Fake News meme by way of calling for “journalistic integrity”. And through your own blend of manufactured outrage and confirmation bias, you offer how NYT readers “perhaps” may not remember the actual course of events, that they “don’t have a clear memory” of what started the current chain of violence at Berkeley. Key word—perhaps. Your post, however, neatly portrays how NYT readers will indeed by duped into regurgitating perverted versions of reality.

    Using YOUR own logic, one could argue that you are also reversing the who-whom order of events, IF the NYT was actually engaging in this activity as you allege. See, you realize as an intelligent person that any controversial figure known for his outrageous antics most likely will provoke some sort of aggressive reaction. You know that their goals and tactics have been designed to generate conflict—“if at first you don’t succeed (because your work is terrible), play the victim”. Milo is counting on his presence to create a media stir and expects the sparks to fly, that radical lefties and righties will hoist their hate flags high and beg to crack some craniums. **Milo, like his lefty counterparts, seeks disorder and chaos.** He can then claim “All I wanted to do was speak freely, and those lefties prevented me from engaging with my audience”. The more the media reports on the events they stage, the more publicity they generate, the more likely they will continue to push the envelope until someone gets seriously injured or killed.

    So, without offering the proper context how and why the events FIRST unfolded, Mr. Sailer, you are victim of your own design. I am certain that in the future you will start calling out similar incidences when conservative news outlets pull the same tricks, right? I mean, if you are so concerned about this “reversing of who-whom order of events”, then I take it you will undergo a personal crusade, in order to maintain consistency in your position, demanding that your colleagues refrain from this nefarious breach of journalistic etiquette. After all, you have your reputation at stake here. Looking forward to future entries on this matter…

    **Oops, my bad. I should have stated “Like his lefty counterparts, Milo seeks disorder and chaos”, so as to not to trigger you and your audience as to “no, we all know who started the events”. After all, your faithful readers rarely align to their prejudices? I mean, we all know that the right-wing media is decidedly more objective in their approach compared to the mainstream media.

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    • Replies: @anon
    See, you realize as an intelligent person that any controversial figure known for his outrageous antics most likely will provoke some sort of aggressive reaction.

    This is obviously a lie. When has, for example, Amy Schumer ever been violently protested?

    The truth is, the LEFT reacts aggressively, because they are all bad people.

    The more the media reports on the events they stage, the more publicity they generate, the more likely they will continue to push the envelope until someone gets seriously injured or killed.

    Or, you know. Until the left just stops being violent. I mean, they can do that, right? They're fully human beings, who can control their actions. Aren't they?

    So, without offering the proper context how and why the events FIRST unfolded, Mr. Sailer, you are victim of your own design.

    No he hasn't. You're dumb.

    I am certain that in the future you will start calling out similar incidences when conservative news outlets pull the same tricks, right?

    When conservative outlets start covering up aggression by the right, he probably would, but since that never happens, he won't have to.

    Why do you keep doing this to yourself, Corvinus?
    , @Paul Yarbles
    Do you know of any disorder and chaos-seeking left-wing speakers who were shut down recently by protesters?
    , @BB753
    Corvinus, you sound like a rapist pleading : "she asked for it, the slut was wearing a mini-skirt!"
  110. @fnn
    But here's a STEM super-genius from Czechia who likes O'Reilly:
    http://motls.blogspot.com/2017/04/the-oreilly-factor-was-1-news-program.html

    No type of genius let alone a super genius would waste his time watching dickhead O’Reilly.
    Your cleverness fails you.

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    • Replies: @fnn
    I found it odd and thought it might say something about the Central European mentality. Or maybe not. But the guy is very smart.
  111. @Detective Club
    Bill O'Reilly had an average 2.8 million viewers on any given night in 2015. He had the highest rated "news" show on cable in 2015.

    If there were only 2.8 million ass hats in the United States, this country would be a living paradise.

    Off topic but maybe not, Hillary got 2.8 million more votes than Trump on November 8, 2016 - - - there must be a moral there, somewhere . . .
    https://youtu.be/O6igbatG7mk
    That "mellow Black Chick," that Billy Boy leered at, is in for a big pay-day!

    “If there were only 2.8 million ass hats in the United States, this country would be a living paradise.”

    The rest are watching Dancing with The Stars or some other inane bullshit.

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  112. @jim jones
    The NYT got caught out lying about the New England Patriots visit to the White house:

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/04/19/new-england-patriots-call-out-new-york-times-for-fake-news-photographs/

    The tweet by the NYTimes came from their Sports department, no less.

    How corrupt are these people when even the people in sports feel free to engage in transparent political propaganda?

    If the NY Times is going to behave like this, how can they possibly take genuine offense at being called out as Fake News?

    Even their supposed outrage over this is Fake News.

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    This is common among sports reporters across the media. They overcompensate for the fact that they are just covering sports by looking for ways to virtue signal to their media peers that they are progressives in good standing. It used to be more confined to newspapers, but the ones at ESPN are probably the worst offenders now.
  113. @eah
    Of course I only post info found elsewhere, so I cannot be 100% sure -- but the people doing this, ie identifying these violent criminals, are, or seem to be, pretty good at it -- at least I am not aware of any mistakes made to date -- I agree one must be very careful about it, and it is hard to believe a college professor would do something like that -- time will tell.

    “it is hard to believe a college professor would do something like that — ”

    it is hard to believe a sane person would believe that it’s hard to believe.

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    • Replies: @Alden
    I doubt he's a professer. He's probably some part timer with quarter to. quarter contracts making $25.00 per hour and working a 12 hours a week. Given the price of housing in the Bay Area he probably lives in a van.
  114. @Mr. Anon

    OT: At the end of Tucker Carlson’s Fox News program on 4/19/17 Tucker announced that starting 4/24/17 he would be taking over the 8:00 pm ET slot. That means the pompous, egotistical asshole Bill O’reilly is out. Of all the Fox News people Tucker deserves the prime time slot most. Have never understood why O’reilly was such a draw for Fox….just too many dumb bastards.
     
    At the end of Carlson's show, he recites a little slogan about the show standing against pomposity and group-think, which is funny, as "pomposity and group-think" is a pretty apt description of Bill O'Reilly and the Factor (Hannity too, if you substitute "pomposity" with "dull-wittedness").

    I never got why people seemed to like O'Reilly, who is - as you quite correctly said - a pompous, egotistical asshole. I guess old people like him for some reason. The median age of his audience is something like 68. Maybe it was the slow, didactic way he read his monologue, which even sounded like he was talking to a near-deaf old-timer. And it's not as if he is "conservative" in any meaningful sense; he said he wanted to make every gun crime a federal offence. He is just a smug, loud-mouthed neo-con tool. And his shameless cultivation of a cult of personality around himself, and his endless hawking of his books and merchandise was incredibly off-putting. I'm glad to see him go, for whatever reason.

    The elevation of Carlson over the last few months is kind of amazing. Of all the cable TV news hosts, he is the only one with an almost iSteve-like citizenist perspective.

    ” I guess old people like him for some reason. The median age of his audience is something like 68. Maybe it was the slow, didactic way he read his monologue, which even sounded like he was talking to a near-deaf old-timer.”

    Hey I am 73 and do not fit that description, but I agree many “old-timers” do. There are way too many vacuous programs on television that also attract young viewers.

    I do agree with your comments.

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  115. @eah
    A lot more info about Clanton at this link -- it seems he currently teaches at Diablo Valley College in CA -- here is his faculty profile there -- to me the accumulated evidence is pretty convincing -- he used the U-lock to assault people a number of times.
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  116. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Corvinus
    “That’s an intentionally deceptive misstatement of the actual chain of events in Berkeley, reversing the who-whom order of events.”

    So by crafting the narrative that there was a purposeful intention by the NYT—because, after all, everyone knows they lie all of the time—to subtly “distort the order” of events, you conveniently reinforce the Fake News meme by way of calling for “journalistic integrity”. And through your own blend of manufactured outrage and confirmation bias, you offer how NYT readers “perhaps” may not remember the actual course of events, that they “don’t have a clear memory” of what started the current chain of violence at Berkeley. Key word—perhaps. Your post, however, neatly portrays how NYT readers will indeed by duped into regurgitating perverted versions of reality.

    Using YOUR own logic, one could argue that you are also reversing the who-whom order of events, IF the NYT was actually engaging in this activity as you allege. See, you realize as an intelligent person that any controversial figure known for his outrageous antics most likely will provoke some sort of aggressive reaction. You know that their goals and tactics have been designed to generate conflict—“if at first you don’t succeed (because your work is terrible), play the victim”. Milo is counting on his presence to create a media stir and expects the sparks to fly, that radical lefties and righties will hoist their hate flags high and beg to crack some craniums. **Milo, like his lefty counterparts, seeks disorder and chaos.** He can then claim “All I wanted to do was speak freely, and those lefties prevented me from engaging with my audience”. The more the media reports on the events they stage, the more publicity they generate, the more likely they will continue to push the envelope until someone gets seriously injured or killed.

    So, without offering the proper context how and why the events FIRST unfolded, Mr. Sailer, you are victim of your own design. I am certain that in the future you will start calling out similar incidences when conservative news outlets pull the same tricks, right? I mean, if you are so concerned about this “reversing of who-whom order of events”, then I take it you will undergo a personal crusade, in order to maintain consistency in your position, demanding that your colleagues refrain from this nefarious breach of journalistic etiquette. After all, you have your reputation at stake here. Looking forward to future entries on this matter…

    **Oops, my bad. I should have stated “Like his lefty counterparts, Milo seeks disorder and chaos”, so as to not to trigger you and your audience as to “no, we all know who started the events”. After all, your faithful readers rarely align to their prejudices? I mean, we all know that the right-wing media is decidedly more objective in their approach compared to the mainstream media.

    See, you realize as an intelligent person that any controversial figure known for his outrageous antics most likely will provoke some sort of aggressive reaction.

    This is obviously a lie. When has, for example, Amy Schumer ever been violently protested?

    The truth is, the LEFT reacts aggressively, because they are all bad people.

    The more the media reports on the events they stage, the more publicity they generate, the more likely they will continue to push the envelope until someone gets seriously injured or killed.

    Or, you know. Until the left just stops being violent. I mean, they can do that, right? They’re fully human beings, who can control their actions. Aren’t they?

    So, without offering the proper context how and why the events FIRST unfolded, Mr. Sailer, you are victim of your own design.

    No he hasn’t. You’re dumb.

    I am certain that in the future you will start calling out similar incidences when conservative news outlets pull the same tricks, right?

    When conservative outlets start covering up aggression by the right, he probably would, but since that never happens, he won’t have to.

    Why do you keep doing this to yourself, Corvinus?

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    "This is obviously a lie. When has, for example, Amy Schumer ever been violently protested?"

    She is not on the same of agent provocateur as Milo.

    "The truth is, the LEFT reacts aggressively, because they are all bad people."

    As soon as you use the word "all", then you have lost credibility.

    "When conservative outlets start covering up aggression by the right, he probably would, but since that never happens, he won’t have to."

    The Alt Right is protecting Stickman. He wore a mask to a protest march. According to Mr. Sailer, he should be arrested for violating the law.
  117. @Marie
    "Mexicans at UWisconsin-Madison file bias complaints for exam question about kangaroos":

    ...for you, Steve

    In addition, Aguilar said it “spoke wonders to him” that hundreds of students saw the question as well and didn’t see anything wrong with it.

    “More students need to be more aware to these type of issues, and we as us students need to be more sensitive toward other people,” Aguilar said.

    And if you are aware of such niggling matters, we will make sure you do know. The wrath of three students should swamp the knowinglessness of hundreds of other students.

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  118. @Der Mann ohne Eigenschaften
    "Nah, you learn it on the job. Right quick if you want to have a career."

    Exactly. "Manufacturing Consent" by Chomsky and Herman has a lot on this learning process. It's basically self-indoctrination.

    Exactly. “Manufacturing Consent” by Chomsky and Herman has a lot on this learning process. It’s basically self-indoctrination.

    Neither Prof. Chomsky nor Prof. Herman ever worked at a newspaper. Prof. Herman’s actual academic specialty had nothing to do with social research and Chomsky is famous for undertaking no empirical research (his critics maintain his theoretical work doesn’t pan out either).

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  119. @Seamus Padraig
    Noam Chomsky used to joke that, when he read the NYT, he would read their articles backwards. All of the real information in their articles, he used to say, was contained in the last paragraph or two; the rest of the article was just a bunch of innuendo.

    I think that Chomsky’s suggestion is not exactly right.

    I find that the typical NY Times article is organized like this:

    1 Headline. Absurdly biased and hysterical
    2 Introductory paragraph summarizing the Narrative
    3 Many paragraphs carefully spun to promote the Narrative by quoting Narrative friendly sources
    4 A paragraph from which a careful reader will be able to deduce the relevant truth
    5 A final paragraph quoting a Narrative friendly source, washing out the taste of truth from the reader’s mouth

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    This reporting style (as you correctly describe it) has gotten worse under the current editor, Dean Baquet. It was bad enough before, now it is worse.
    , @Corvinus
    "I find that the typical NY Times article is organized like this:

    1 Headline. Absurdly biased and hysterical
    2 Introductory paragraph summarizing the Narrative
    3 Many paragraphs carefully spun to promote the Narrative by quoting Narrative friendly sources
    4 A paragraph from which a careful reader will be able to deduce the relevant truth
    5 A final paragraph quoting a Narrative friendly source, washing out the taste of truth from the reader’s mouth."

    IF the NYT fashions their stories in this matter, then you have to hold the Alt-Right to the same standard. Otherwise, all you are doing is projecting.

    Embracing the Fake News narrative is extremely easy for people today. It is intellectually stimulating to gather information from several sources--including ones that oppose your ideological positions--and figuring out what is accurate, rather than yelling at the top of one's lungs like a little school girl "Alternative Facts"..."Fake News"..."Mainstream Media Lies".

    In the end, these memes serve as a self-fulfilling prophecy and makes people less able to think for themselves in an objective manner. Pick out the biases from the sources. Consider your own prejudices. From there, you are on your way to becoming a more nuanced thinker.
  120. @Corvinus
    “That’s an intentionally deceptive misstatement of the actual chain of events in Berkeley, reversing the who-whom order of events.”

    So by crafting the narrative that there was a purposeful intention by the NYT—because, after all, everyone knows they lie all of the time—to subtly “distort the order” of events, you conveniently reinforce the Fake News meme by way of calling for “journalistic integrity”. And through your own blend of manufactured outrage and confirmation bias, you offer how NYT readers “perhaps” may not remember the actual course of events, that they “don’t have a clear memory” of what started the current chain of violence at Berkeley. Key word—perhaps. Your post, however, neatly portrays how NYT readers will indeed by duped into regurgitating perverted versions of reality.

    Using YOUR own logic, one could argue that you are also reversing the who-whom order of events, IF the NYT was actually engaging in this activity as you allege. See, you realize as an intelligent person that any controversial figure known for his outrageous antics most likely will provoke some sort of aggressive reaction. You know that their goals and tactics have been designed to generate conflict—“if at first you don’t succeed (because your work is terrible), play the victim”. Milo is counting on his presence to create a media stir and expects the sparks to fly, that radical lefties and righties will hoist their hate flags high and beg to crack some craniums. **Milo, like his lefty counterparts, seeks disorder and chaos.** He can then claim “All I wanted to do was speak freely, and those lefties prevented me from engaging with my audience”. The more the media reports on the events they stage, the more publicity they generate, the more likely they will continue to push the envelope until someone gets seriously injured or killed.

    So, without offering the proper context how and why the events FIRST unfolded, Mr. Sailer, you are victim of your own design. I am certain that in the future you will start calling out similar incidences when conservative news outlets pull the same tricks, right? I mean, if you are so concerned about this “reversing of who-whom order of events”, then I take it you will undergo a personal crusade, in order to maintain consistency in your position, demanding that your colleagues refrain from this nefarious breach of journalistic etiquette. After all, you have your reputation at stake here. Looking forward to future entries on this matter…

    **Oops, my bad. I should have stated “Like his lefty counterparts, Milo seeks disorder and chaos”, so as to not to trigger you and your audience as to “no, we all know who started the events”. After all, your faithful readers rarely align to their prejudices? I mean, we all know that the right-wing media is decidedly more objective in their approach compared to the mainstream media.

    Do you know of any disorder and chaos-seeking left-wing speakers who were shut down recently by protesters?

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    "Do you know of any disorder and chaos-seeking left-wing speakers who were shut down recently by protesters?"

    Considering that universities tend to be liberal, why would they be shut down?

    Fortunately, there's an organization called FIRE (Foundation for Individual Rights in Education) that opposes to the protesting of speakers.

    https://www.thefire.org/resources/disinvitation-database/

    This website tracks whether these protests came from the political Right or the political Left (or neither). The Left protested far more with 197 incidents and 71 successful disinvitations (36%). The Right protested less, with 102 incidents, but it was also far better at canceling events, with 56 successful disinvitations (55%).

    Free speech means that the government may not forbid people from speaking. It does not mean that colleges (or anyone else) has an obligation to let them speak at their institutions. Of course, these restrictions violates the purpose of universities--enable ALL people regardless of their position to exchange their ideas.
  121. @Corvinus
    “That’s an intentionally deceptive misstatement of the actual chain of events in Berkeley, reversing the who-whom order of events.”

    So by crafting the narrative that there was a purposeful intention by the NYT—because, after all, everyone knows they lie all of the time—to subtly “distort the order” of events, you conveniently reinforce the Fake News meme by way of calling for “journalistic integrity”. And through your own blend of manufactured outrage and confirmation bias, you offer how NYT readers “perhaps” may not remember the actual course of events, that they “don’t have a clear memory” of what started the current chain of violence at Berkeley. Key word—perhaps. Your post, however, neatly portrays how NYT readers will indeed by duped into regurgitating perverted versions of reality.

    Using YOUR own logic, one could argue that you are also reversing the who-whom order of events, IF the NYT was actually engaging in this activity as you allege. See, you realize as an intelligent person that any controversial figure known for his outrageous antics most likely will provoke some sort of aggressive reaction. You know that their goals and tactics have been designed to generate conflict—“if at first you don’t succeed (because your work is terrible), play the victim”. Milo is counting on his presence to create a media stir and expects the sparks to fly, that radical lefties and righties will hoist their hate flags high and beg to crack some craniums. **Milo, like his lefty counterparts, seeks disorder and chaos.** He can then claim “All I wanted to do was speak freely, and those lefties prevented me from engaging with my audience”. The more the media reports on the events they stage, the more publicity they generate, the more likely they will continue to push the envelope until someone gets seriously injured or killed.

    So, without offering the proper context how and why the events FIRST unfolded, Mr. Sailer, you are victim of your own design. I am certain that in the future you will start calling out similar incidences when conservative news outlets pull the same tricks, right? I mean, if you are so concerned about this “reversing of who-whom order of events”, then I take it you will undergo a personal crusade, in order to maintain consistency in your position, demanding that your colleagues refrain from this nefarious breach of journalistic etiquette. After all, you have your reputation at stake here. Looking forward to future entries on this matter…

    **Oops, my bad. I should have stated “Like his lefty counterparts, Milo seeks disorder and chaos”, so as to not to trigger you and your audience as to “no, we all know who started the events”. After all, your faithful readers rarely align to their prejudices? I mean, we all know that the right-wing media is decidedly more objective in their approach compared to the mainstream media.

    Corvinus, you sound like a rapist pleading : “she asked for it, the slut was wearing a mini-skirt!”

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    "Corvinus, you sound like a rapist pleading : “she asked for it, the slut was wearing a mini-skirt!”

    All your stupidity are belong to me.
  122. I love this concept of a pc nepotism vector. It would be a magnitude of the square root of pc^2 + nepotism^2, at an angle of, arctan( nepotism / PC)

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  123. @candid_observer
    I think that Chomsky's suggestion is not exactly right.

    I find that the typical NY Times article is organized like this:

    1 Headline. Absurdly biased and hysterical
    2 Introductory paragraph summarizing the Narrative
    3 Many paragraphs carefully spun to promote the Narrative by quoting Narrative friendly sources
    4 A paragraph from which a careful reader will be able to deduce the relevant truth
    5 A final paragraph quoting a Narrative friendly source, washing out the taste of truth from the reader's mouth

    This reporting style (as you correctly describe it) has gotten worse under the current editor, Dean Baquet. It was bad enough before, now it is worse.

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  124. @pepperinmono
    Bill was a windbag, but his firing shows how far the feminist/pc/rape hysteria crowd have come.
    Unless he exposed himself or raped someone, this is all bullshit.
    Same with Bill Cosby.
    When I was a kid, I thought his albums were hilarious.
    So he took 'ludes with a lot of chicks and had sex with them.
    Doesn't sound like rape to me.
    What were these chicks expecting, hanging out with a big star?
    If you sum up Cosby's contribution to life on Earth, and the allegations are a negative,
    he is still in the black(no pun intended).
    Fuck Fox News.

    If you following OReilly’s coverage of Ron Paul a few years ago You’d realize what a bullying, vicious, nasty piece of agenda driven shit he is.

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  125. @Alden
    The ANTIFA thug who was pounding on Trump supporters has been identified as San Francisco State University professor Eric Clanton. He's a White man so I doubt he's a professor. He's probably a 20 hour a week adjunct instructor or even a TA.

    White male liberals are the absolute worst. They are practically the status of Indian untouchables but they totally refuse to face reality.

    On the other hand, one of the victims of that black spree-killer out to kill whites in Fresno the other day was also antifa – Zack Randalls.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9zLug0XYAAKuP8.jpg

    So it turns out the universe is occasionally benign.

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    And if only we knew that he realized at the end just how wrong he was the schadenfreude would be so much better.
  126. Truth? We don’t need no stinkin’ truth!

    They just have to have a convincing story line for the inevitable show-trials they will conduct when their ilk are back on top in a couple years.

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  127. Times change. The New York Times too has changed and today is viciously anti-Israel, and even antisemitic. Yet, its gross misinformation only helped to elect Trump.

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  128. It would be interesting to revisit the NYT reportage around the Duke Lacrosse scandal …

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    KC Johnson was tracking the New York Times and the Durham Herald-Sun at the time. Both were scandalous.
  129. First rule in dealing with NYT readers is to understand that Trump is responsible for violence on the left. He’s responsible for violence on the right. He’s responsible for everything. Because hurtful words.

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  130. @candid_observer
    The tweet by the NYTimes came from their Sports department, no less.

    How corrupt are these people when even the people in sports feel free to engage in transparent political propaganda?

    If the NY Times is going to behave like this, how can they possibly take genuine offense at being called out as Fake News?

    Even their supposed outrage over this is Fake News.

    This is common among sports reporters across the media. They overcompensate for the fact that they are just covering sports by looking for ways to virtue signal to their media peers that they are progressives in good standing. It used to be more confined to newspapers, but the ones at ESPN are probably the worst offenders now.

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  131. @Desiderius

    I don’t think it’s deception so much as relating a story in the way that matches the ideological twists and turns common on the Left.
     
    Still deception whatever the purpose. Just because a rationale can be constructed, it does not follow that it is true, or right, or even rational.

    I think the above poster’s point is that they’re delusional, not that they’re rationalizing.

    I don’t agree. They’re just liars.

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  132. Either they don’t know that anyone with access to a television or a computer knows immediately that this article is complete horseshit; or they know perfectly well – and just don’t care.

    What’s the mindset among Times staffers these days, one wonders? Might as well toss caution to the wind and milk the Mexican for as many paychecks as they collectively can before the whole corrupt enterprise goes adios muchacho!

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  133. Just started reading 1984 with my 17 year old today {first time for him, and to refresh my own memory} and this post provided a perfect example of IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH. As difficult as it is for him to comprehend {given how we speak and think in our household and that he’s homeschooled}, millions of people get all their news from the MSM and believe it implicitly. World leaders read the self-styled “paper of record,” and although they know how they manipulate the truth in their own countries and thus how the game is played, this kind of inversion of reality has a cumulative effect on one’s psyche.

    After we finish 1984 for the political side of today’s reality {having finished “Animal Farm” and “Lord of the Flies”}, we’ll move on to “Brave New World” for a study in feminism, the designation of fetuses as “alien genetic growths,” and sexual degeneracy. Forward to our glorious future, comrades!

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  134. @anony-mouse
    Sorry, but you're a bit blank-slatish on this, Steve. The NYT base readership and the NYT are both sympatico on this. No misleading there.

    Of course the base readership of Unz.com is its own cocoon too. Its cocoons all over.

    “Of course the base readership of Unz.com is its own cocoon too. Its cocoons all over.”

    Wrong. The NYT does not present at length opinions discordant with its own left-wing opinions and then respond at length in the manner of Steve and other alt-right bloggers. Unz readers get to see, at length, discordant opinions plus rebuttal. NYT cocoon readers get nothing but spoon-fed predigested pabulum utterly consonant with their worldview.

    Like Lennon said: “Nothing’s gonna change my world…..”

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  135. @Stealth

    ...but most NYT subscribers don’t have a clear memory.
     
    Liberals can't remember anything that happened more than six weeks ago. They don't remember events, but most importantly, they don't remember what they used to care about or what the past was like.

    I remember a time when immigration was not yet a sacred cow to most Americans, when almost everyone, including people with names like Bill Clinton and Harry Reed, thought something should be done about the burgeoning problem of massive illegal immigration. It was ok to say so in public.

    Back then, nobody thought gay marriage was a priority. Hell, nobody thought about it at all. Somehow life went on. That was a very short while ago. It's bizarre to hear them talk about this issue as if it's equivalent to the civil rights movement, to see how passionate they are about it. If it's so important for the state to recognize gay marriage, why didn't liberals think so back then?

    Even more recently, liberals opposed going to war with Iraq for flimsy, fabricated reasons. The fact that Barrack Obama voted to stay out of Iraq was the second most important reason he was elected president. Today, these same liberals believe that going to war against Syria for even dumber reasons is a great idea.

    Stealth, Wait, slavery and Jim Crow were more than six weeks ago? Seems like only yesterday.

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    They do indeed remember slavery and segregation, but those things play an important role in their mythology. To the part of a liberal's brain that feelz, Jim Crow was very recent. They're a little foggy on some of the details, though. For instance, most liberals probably believe that tens (hundreds?) of thousands of black men were lynched between the end of Reconstruction and the Civil Rights movement.

    On the other hand, the Milo riots at Berkeley are lost to the dim mists of history. The same will soon be true for Charles Murray's unfortunate dustup at Middlebury. I'm sure their recollection of the latter has already become very hazy. If they remembered either of these events clearly, they would recognize that Antifas are not peaceful protesters, and that the Antifas probably started the violence during this latest Battle of Berkeley. But they don't, so they don't.

  136. @Steve Sailer
    Are you convinced they've got him identified right? People need to be careful in siccing a mob on somebody.

    When has the Left been careful on siccing the mob on us? He’s a Berkely prof, so even if he isn’t the guy he’s still a flaming liberal.

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  137. @Anon
    OT: From The Stanford Review:

    #AdmissionsDecisionsMatter: The Stanford Admissions Office’s Disturbing Concession

    By John Rice-Cameron

    “What matters to you and why?” This question was my favorite part of Stanford’s application. In my application, I discussed why Africa matters to me. I explained that my connection to the continent was not simply ancestral, recounting how seven trips to Africa inspired a lifelong interest in wildlife and the promises and perils facing the developing world.

    Ziad Ahmed, an applicant to the Stanford class of 2021, had a decidedly different take on the question. His essay consisted solely of the statement “#BlackLivesMatter,” repeated 100 times. ...

    Of course, Ziad’s claim is valid: black lives most certainly matter. The Black Lives Matter movement reflects the legitimate sentiments of frustration and abandonment on the part of many Americans; given my own background, I am intimately familiar with the anguish that pervades many communities across America. Moreover, it is incumbent upon American society to understand and address the concerns of its citizens.

    But regardless of how legitimate Ziad’s claim may be, his refusal to provide an explanation directly undermines Stanford’s values of open inquiry and self-reflection.

    However, I doubt that Stanford would have admitted an applicant of equal qualifications who, in an effort to display his passion for God and country, answered the essay question by repeating the phrase #GodBlessAmerica 100 times.
     
    It took me a little bit to figure out who John Rice-Cameron is but then it hit me. :-)

    Anon, on a neighbor’s lawn is a neatly printed yard sign, in rainbow colors that states; In our America we believe, That a woman controls her body, That no one is illegal, That black lives matter, That science is real, That we celebrate diversity, Everyone is kind, Love is Love. that could be your new dumbed down Stanford essay.

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    I see that stupid sign too when dropping my kid off at school in the rich part of town. Another is, in English, Spanish, and Arabic: "No matter where you come from, I am glad to call you neighbor."

    Easy enough to say where median house price is ~$750k. Strangely, in my neighborhood--on the border of Taliban towers and the Hispanic section 8 housing--those signs are missing.
  138. OT Re: Upcoming French election

    Marine Le Pen has 3 children so has reason to protect her country.
    Angela Merkel has none so has no motivation to think of her country’s future.

    Of course, that’s only one of the factors but it appears to
    correlate statistically with women’s political leanings:
    (white) married women with kids are more conservative
    than their single, childless counterparts, even if you
    correct for age.
    Marine Le Pen wants to limit legal immigration to 10,000 a year

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  139. @Anonymous
    NYT is a ghetto.

    You know and I know the who-whom of what happened, but most NYT subscribers don’t have a clear memory...

    Prescription drugs? Geriatric demos?

    The NYT readership/subscribership has undergone a strong selection process since the hardtimes era began. Lots of forces at work but the end result is a hardened hardcore of lunacy. The readers, the editors, and the writers.

    It's a Democrat Party front group and the donks haven't been this weak since, uh, Coolidge? Expect continued weakness.

    Anonymous, since I won’t click on a NYT link or article can you tell me if there are comments and the sense of the commenters’ opinions.

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  140. @Anonymous
    This sort of thing is so common now it's pretty much expected.

    It's incredibly frustrating that so many people lap this stuff up and take it as gospel truth.

    People like my own parents -- Like many older people, they sit down and watch the evening newscast to get the scoop on what is happening in the world. It's their ritual, and they like and trust the newscasters. They can't even begin to contemplate that they're being fed a selective and heavily massaged version of events.

    It's beyond their ability to even contemplate what is happening. I've thought maybe I'd try to assemble some reading material or videos, etc. to try to break through, but it would be very difficult for them to ever understand, so I've opted to just let them live in the fake news bubble.

    Anonymous, how old are you parents? My wife and I are 71 and 72 and we can figure all this out. My mom is 99 and indoctrinated because they have CNN on all the public TVs at her assisted living home, but I doubt she will join a protest or even vote again.

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    Out of curiousity, would that make you a Boomer or one of the Greatest Generation?
  141. @anony-mouse
    Sorry, but you're a bit blank-slatish on this, Steve. The NYT base readership and the NYT are both sympatico on this. No misleading there.

    Of course the base readership of Unz.com is its own cocoon too. Its cocoons all over.

    Not all of us are in a cocoon. I read the Wall Street journal on Saturdays (buying it) and on Sundays the New York Times (for free in a coffee shop). (I also actually try to have meaningful friendly conversations or arguments with friends whom I consider much too militarist, too welfarist, etc., and it sometimes works.). Every week we socialize with people from Asia, Europe, and Mexico and discuss whatever comes up.

    Do the hardcore invade/invite-the-world crowd who often subscribe to those Deep State/Wall Street/Hollywood publications check in with the perspectives on unz.com or VDare? Do they ever read The American Conservative or antiwar.com to get a fuller view on the issues? Didn’t think so.

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    You might enjoy the humor pages at Patriot Post, as they have many familiar iStevey themes.

    https://patriotpost.us/humor
  142. @Anonymous
    This sort of thing is so common now it's pretty much expected.

    It's incredibly frustrating that so many people lap this stuff up and take it as gospel truth.

    People like my own parents -- Like many older people, they sit down and watch the evening newscast to get the scoop on what is happening in the world. It's their ritual, and they like and trust the newscasters. They can't even begin to contemplate that they're being fed a selective and heavily massaged version of events.

    It's beyond their ability to even contemplate what is happening. I've thought maybe I'd try to assemble some reading material or videos, etc. to try to break through, but it would be very difficult for them to ever understand, so I've opted to just let them live in the fake news bubble.

    That’s not so bad for the rest of us IF they don’t vote. Do they?

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  143. @Anonymous
    NYT is a ghetto.

    You know and I know the who-whom of what happened, but most NYT subscribers don’t have a clear memory...

    Prescription drugs? Geriatric demos?

    The NYT readership/subscribership has undergone a strong selection process since the hardtimes era began. Lots of forces at work but the end result is a hardened hardcore of lunacy. The readers, the editors, and the writers.

    It's a Democrat Party front group and the donks haven't been this weak since, uh, Coolidge? Expect continued weakness.

    In an article about who-whom, let’s not get causation reversed: You incorrectly say that the NYT is a Dem front group; instead consider that the Dems are the (bungling, ignoramus-staffed) political wing of the NYT (Cathedral / deep state / establishment). h/t moldbug

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  144. @jim jones
    The NYT got caught out lying about the New England Patriots visit to the White house:

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/04/19/new-england-patriots-call-out-new-york-times-for-fake-news-photographs/

    jim, this is sad on so many levels, but in truth it is something I would expect from ESPN too.

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  145. @eah
    Related: Some may have seen video of the recent vicious assault with a heavy U-shaped bike lock in Berkeley which left a guy bloodied -- a cowardly antifa type darts out of a crowd and bashes a guy (who's sitting) in the head with the lock (ouch!), then runs away -- the bike lock assailant has now been ID'd as a philosophy professor at SFSU (if you can believe that -- sorry if this info was posted already):

    https://twitter.com/polNewsNet/status/854908065472229376

    The Clanton gang has caused trouble before.

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  146. @anon
    People dressed up like ninjas versus people dressed up like Captain America, with the horn of the third world, the vuvuzela, providing the soundtrack.

    This is Idiocracy.

    Anon, nice comment and who can forget the vuvuzelas making the World Cup matches unwatchable from South Africa.

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    I might be the only one but I liked the vuvuzelas. I thought it was funny and amusing. And a great reminder to the world that Africa is not Europe
  147. @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, nice comment and who can forget the vuvuzelas making the World Cup matches unwatchable from South Africa.

    I might be the only one but I liked the vuvuzelas. I thought it was funny and amusing. And a great reminder to the world that Africa is not Europe

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  148. OT
    Schools [temporarily] named after notorious thought-criminals Terman and Jordan have been named the #1 and #3 best public middle schools in the greater Bay Area.

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  149. I have a question . How can they make such a great movie ( Winter’s Bone ) and yet have such contempt for their subjects ?

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  150. @Boomstick
    UCSF philosophy prof identified as one of the violent lefty thugs at the Battle of Berkeley III fight last weekend:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/polNewsNet/status/854908065472229376/photo/1

    If you are taking his class maybe you can get a better grade if you punch his lights out.

    It remains problematic that universities employ violent thugs.

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  151. @Lot

    small, militant and shadowy right-wing groups
     
    I've been following newer right and left wing street violence groups directly the past six months or so, mostly reading their blogs and boards directly.

    The leftists are more numerous and more organized. But neither are really all that organized. They do not need to be, rather people just are deciding online to meet up.

    Neither side is particularly "shadowy." They have blogs, websites, and organize on open Facebook pages. Both sides have more mainstream and law-abiding radical supporters.

    The problem with political violence in America, and the reason we have so little of it, is that it is generally counter-productive by inflaming centrist opinion against the cause of the political violence people. The left supporting BLM and its frequent violent riots, shutting down major urban highways and airports, physical attacks on police officers, and other obnoxious and violent acts is what got Trump elected. It wasn't the only reason, but hard to believe that it did not sway a percent or two of voters in the three states that just barely put Trump over the top.

    The mainstream left knows it is stupid, but simply can't control its thugs and its ill-educated SJW corps. So the best the NY Times can do is post multiple peons on the op-ed page about the importance of free speech even if it is an awful racist like Charles Murray and try to cover it up the events when they happen.

    “The problem with political violence in America, and the reason we have so little of it, is that it is generally counter-productive by inflaming centrist opinion against the cause of the political violence people.”

    Centrist opinion. You mean moderates. Hmmm, imagine that. Although I think the proper term for moderate is “cuck”.

    “The mainstream left knows it is stupid, but simply can’t control its thugs and its ill-educated SJW corps.”

    Likewise, the mainstream right is convinced that the Alt-Right is dumb. Now, how are both groups supposed to “control” their Fringe Groups?

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    Now, how are both groups supposed to “control” their Fringe Groups?

    Well, Corvinus. One way the left could control its alleged fringe is by arresting them when they commit crimes. Or turning in the "fringe" people who admit to committing crimes. Or making it clear that they won't tolerate them committing crimes on their college campuses. Or not make excuses for them by saying stupid things like "Durr! All the violent ones be CIA plants!".

    Or even by doing simple things, like not encouraging them to punch "Nazis" or, say, invite them to the White House after they burn down buildings in Baltimore.

    But they don't ever do those things, do they? Why do you suppose that is?
  152. @CrunchybutRealistCon
    If you're not happy with your grade, just club him with the U-Lock & he'll surely agree to reassess.

    There was also an Antifa at Auburn who whacked a lone Trump supporter multiple times to the torso with a U-Lock or similar concealed under a piece of cloth. The guy was already locked in battle w/ another Antifa when she piled on. These people are vermin.

    Backstabbing comes very naturally to some people, so there’s that. But it’s also true that ganging up on someone is effective tactics and you shouldn’t rely on some notion of honor in a street fight.

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    Exactly. Though to be fair, the anti-fa are unusually vermin-like and undisciplined. Its fashionable to mock your opponent as cowardly, but they are unbelievably so and even trample over their own in order to get away.

    In the past, I've made the mistake of being with a bad crowd and yet the antifa make gangbangers look honorable in comparison.

    Its really amazing.
  153. @candid_observer
    I think that Chomsky's suggestion is not exactly right.

    I find that the typical NY Times article is organized like this:

    1 Headline. Absurdly biased and hysterical
    2 Introductory paragraph summarizing the Narrative
    3 Many paragraphs carefully spun to promote the Narrative by quoting Narrative friendly sources
    4 A paragraph from which a careful reader will be able to deduce the relevant truth
    5 A final paragraph quoting a Narrative friendly source, washing out the taste of truth from the reader's mouth

    “I find that the typical NY Times article is organized like this:

    1 Headline. Absurdly biased and hysterical
    2 Introductory paragraph summarizing the Narrative
    3 Many paragraphs carefully spun to promote the Narrative by quoting Narrative friendly sources
    4 A paragraph from which a careful reader will be able to deduce the relevant truth
    5 A final paragraph quoting a Narrative friendly source, washing out the taste of truth from the reader’s mouth.”

    IF the NYT fashions their stories in this matter, then you have to hold the Alt-Right to the same standard. Otherwise, all you are doing is projecting.

    Embracing the Fake News narrative is extremely easy for people today. It is intellectually stimulating to gather information from several sources–including ones that oppose your ideological positions–and figuring out what is accurate, rather than yelling at the top of one’s lungs like a little school girl “Alternative Facts”…”Fake News”…”Mainstream Media Lies”.

    In the end, these memes serve as a self-fulfilling prophecy and makes people less able to think for themselves in an objective manner. Pick out the biases from the sources. Consider your own prejudices. From there, you are on your way to becoming a more nuanced thinker.

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  154. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Corvinus
    "The problem with political violence in America, and the reason we have so little of it, is that it is generally counter-productive by inflaming centrist opinion against the cause of the political violence people."

    Centrist opinion. You mean moderates. Hmmm, imagine that. Although I think the proper term for moderate is "cuck".

    "The mainstream left knows it is stupid, but simply can’t control its thugs and its ill-educated SJW corps."

    Likewise, the mainstream right is convinced that the Alt-Right is dumb. Now, how are both groups supposed to "control" their Fringe Groups?

    Now, how are both groups supposed to “control” their Fringe Groups?

    Well, Corvinus. One way the left could control its alleged fringe is by arresting them when they commit crimes. Or turning in the “fringe” people who admit to committing crimes. Or making it clear that they won’t tolerate them committing crimes on their college campuses. Or not make excuses for them by saying stupid things like “Durr! All the violent ones be CIA plants!”.

    Or even by doing simple things, like not encouraging them to punch “Nazis” or, say, invite them to the White House after they burn down buildings in Baltimore.

    But they don’t ever do those things, do they? Why do you suppose that is?

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    "One way the left could control its alleged fringe is by arresting them when they commit crimes."

    Which is happening when they commit those crimes as determined by local law enforcement.

    "Or turning in the “fringe” people who admit to committing crimes."

    Admit to local law enforcement, yes. Otherwise, it's hearsay. Do you hold the right to the same standard?

    "Or making it clear that they won’t tolerate them committing crimes on their college campuses."

    Organizing on a campus is not a crime. Hitting someone is a crime. Moreover, the left has made it known that these thugs do not represent their views. Now, do you hold the right to the same standard?

    "Or not make excuses for them by saying stupid things like “Durr! All the violent ones be CIA plants!”.

    Those who are violent do not represent the mainstream of public thought, liberal or conservative. That is why they are called radicals. Do you hold the right to the same standard?

    "Or even by doing simple things, like not encouraging them to punch “Nazis” or, say, invite them to the White House after they burn down buildings in Baltimore."

    Assuming that every single leftist is violent or promotes violence.

    "But they don’t ever do those things, do they? Why do you suppose that is?"

    Sometimes the mainstream left and right protect their own. You know, out of loyalty. Vox Day feels the same way about Milo the gay man and Roosh the vibrant who has sex with women--two individuals who are other than Christian. Does Vox Day hold them accountable for their transgressions? Does he make excuses for their conduct? Because ally.
  155. @Buffalo Joe
    Anonymous, how old are you parents? My wife and I are 71 and 72 and we can figure all this out. My mom is 99 and indoctrinated because they have CNN on all the public TVs at her assisted living home, but I doubt she will join a protest or even vote again.

    Out of curiousity, would that make you a Boomer or one of the Greatest Generation?

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    Daniel, We are the children of the Greatest Generation, those who survived the Great Depression and WWII. They were admirable people.
  156. @Hibernian
    I don't think they're always above outright lying. Remember Jayson Blair.

    I like how he left out the fact that the woman who was punched was throwing glass bottles at people, as was shown from the AP photo.

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  157. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Captain Tripps
    Here's a good impromptu weapon to make, though you need some type of sturdy bag/sack if a pillowcase is not at hand; I know! you can use one of those environmentally safe reusable grocery bags!

    https://youtu.be/hPoxee46S4s

    You fight with what you have. Remember the clown who charged the stage at a Stones gig? Keef whacked him in the face with a Fender guitar and dropped him without hesitation. Hasn’t been done since.

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  158. @Pericles
    Backstabbing comes very naturally to some people, so there's that. But it's also true that ganging up on someone is effective tactics and you shouldn't rely on some notion of honor in a street fight.

    Exactly. Though to be fair, the anti-fa are unusually vermin-like and undisciplined. Its fashionable to mock your opponent as cowardly, but they are unbelievably so and even trample over their own in order to get away.

    In the past, I’ve made the mistake of being with a bad crowd and yet the antifa make gangbangers look honorable in comparison.

    Its really amazing.

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  159. @Mr. Anon
    "There was also an Antifa at Auburn who whacked a lone Trump supporter multiple times to the torso with a U-Lock or similar concealed under a piece of cloth. The guy was already locked in battle w/ another Antifa when she piled on."

    From what I heard, the "she" was actually a tranny.

    You'd think the police could arrest the antifa based on the fact that they routinely brandish a weapon - their highly offensive smell. According to a lot of people who have encountered them, the antifa stink really, really bad. They have weaponized B.O. though a rigourous regimen of never bathing.

    The Black Bloc like to use women as shields and distractions. They’ll stack women the women in the front, where they are vocal and active and not necessarily masked, then a masked guy will sweep in from a little ways back, attack someone, then melt back into the crowd. You can see this all the time in videos. The women focus attention on them, and this helps the ambush attacker. If the encounter starts to get generally violent the women in the front will act like they’re attempting to keep the event peaceful, and that prevents counter-attacks by their opponents.

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  160. @anon
    Now, how are both groups supposed to “control” their Fringe Groups?

    Well, Corvinus. One way the left could control its alleged fringe is by arresting them when they commit crimes. Or turning in the "fringe" people who admit to committing crimes. Or making it clear that they won't tolerate them committing crimes on their college campuses. Or not make excuses for them by saying stupid things like "Durr! All the violent ones be CIA plants!".

    Or even by doing simple things, like not encouraging them to punch "Nazis" or, say, invite them to the White House after they burn down buildings in Baltimore.

    But they don't ever do those things, do they? Why do you suppose that is?

    “One way the left could control its alleged fringe is by arresting them when they commit crimes.”

    Which is happening when they commit those crimes as determined by local law enforcement.

    “Or turning in the “fringe” people who admit to committing crimes.”

    Admit to local law enforcement, yes. Otherwise, it’s hearsay. Do you hold the right to the same standard?

    “Or making it clear that they won’t tolerate them committing crimes on their college campuses.”

    Organizing on a campus is not a crime. Hitting someone is a crime. Moreover, the left has made it known that these thugs do not represent their views. Now, do you hold the right to the same standard?

    “Or not make excuses for them by saying stupid things like “Durr! All the violent ones be CIA plants!”.

    Those who are violent do not represent the mainstream of public thought, liberal or conservative. That is why they are called radicals. Do you hold the right to the same standard?

    “Or even by doing simple things, like not encouraging them to punch “Nazis” or, say, invite them to the White House after they burn down buildings in Baltimore.”

    Assuming that every single leftist is violent or promotes violence.

    “But they don’t ever do those things, do they? Why do you suppose that is?”

    Sometimes the mainstream left and right protect their own. You know, out of loyalty. Vox Day feels the same way about Milo the gay man and Roosh the vibrant who has sex with women–two individuals who are other than Christian. Does Vox Day hold them accountable for their transgressions? Does he make excuses for their conduct? Because ally.

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    Which is happening when they commit those crimes as determined by local law enforcement.

    Oh? Then could you tell me the names of all the people arrested at Middebury college? How about all the leftists arrested at Berkeley for arson and vandalism during Milo's event?

    Or did they determine that arson is not a crime anymore?

    Admit to local law enforcement, yes. Otherwise, it’s hearsay. Do you hold the right to the same standard?

    Hearsay can't be used as evidence in court, but it can definitely be used to lead the police in the right direction, and often is.

    I would hold the right to that standard, but since they don't tend to commit crimes, I can't.

    Moreover, the left has made it known that these thugs do not represent their views.

    No, the left has made it known that they DO represent their views. They do this by, for example, cancelling Ann Coulter's event, rather than telling the students that anyone who attempts to stop it by violence will be expelled and turned over to law enforcement.

    They also do it by doing things like telling people to punch "Nazis".

    Sure, they SAY that they don't share their views, but their actions let everyone with an IQ over 85 realize that they are simply lying.

    "Do you hold the right to the same standard?"

    Once again. If the right ever used violence to shut down leftist speeches, I would, but since the right is made up of decent human beings who never do that, I can't.

  161. “…That’s an intentionally deceptive misstatement of the actual chain of events in Berkeley, reversing the who-whom order of events.

    (…) It’s an easy game to play. Most people simply don’t have a timeline in their head of current events, so they can’t do reality checks on The Narrative.”

    But, what if it has been always like that?

    What if the sequence of events of what comes first :
    The Black Egg or Tiny Duck The Red Chicken had been always deliberately New York Timed to fit The Narrative ?

    https://youtu.be/522qtqjSagM?t=54s

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  162. Why not use this narrative against the left ? Single out some left wing speaker and protest them everywhere they go so that they cannot speak because of “security reasons”. Not even the NYT could spin away an argument that having the hecklers veto for right wing speakers is allowed while for left wingers it should not be allowed.

    There would be salient details to clearly differentiate the right-wing thugs from the legitimate protestors, according to Big Media. In other words, Big Media would suddenly start doing its job.

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  163. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Corvinus
    "One way the left could control its alleged fringe is by arresting them when they commit crimes."

    Which is happening when they commit those crimes as determined by local law enforcement.

    "Or turning in the “fringe” people who admit to committing crimes."

    Admit to local law enforcement, yes. Otherwise, it's hearsay. Do you hold the right to the same standard?

    "Or making it clear that they won’t tolerate them committing crimes on their college campuses."

    Organizing on a campus is not a crime. Hitting someone is a crime. Moreover, the left has made it known that these thugs do not represent their views. Now, do you hold the right to the same standard?

    "Or not make excuses for them by saying stupid things like “Durr! All the violent ones be CIA plants!”.

    Those who are violent do not represent the mainstream of public thought, liberal or conservative. That is why they are called radicals. Do you hold the right to the same standard?

    "Or even by doing simple things, like not encouraging them to punch “Nazis” or, say, invite them to the White House after they burn down buildings in Baltimore."

    Assuming that every single leftist is violent or promotes violence.

    "But they don’t ever do those things, do they? Why do you suppose that is?"

    Sometimes the mainstream left and right protect their own. You know, out of loyalty. Vox Day feels the same way about Milo the gay man and Roosh the vibrant who has sex with women--two individuals who are other than Christian. Does Vox Day hold them accountable for their transgressions? Does he make excuses for their conduct? Because ally.

    Which is happening when they commit those crimes as determined by local law enforcement.

    Oh? Then could you tell me the names of all the people arrested at Middebury college? How about all the leftists arrested at Berkeley for arson and vandalism during Milo’s event?

    Or did they determine that arson is not a crime anymore?

    Admit to local law enforcement, yes. Otherwise, it’s hearsay. Do you hold the right to the same standard?

    Hearsay can’t be used as evidence in court, but it can definitely be used to lead the police in the right direction, and often is.

    I would hold the right to that standard, but since they don’t tend to commit crimes, I can’t.

    Moreover, the left has made it known that these thugs do not represent their views.

    No, the left has made it known that they DO represent their views. They do this by, for example, cancelling Ann Coulter’s event, rather than telling the students that anyone who attempts to stop it by violence will be expelled and turned over to law enforcement.

    They also do it by doing things like telling people to punch “Nazis”.

    Sure, they SAY that they don’t share their views, but their actions let everyone with an IQ over 85 realize that they are simply lying.

    “Do you hold the right to the same standard?”

    Once again. If the right ever used violence to shut down leftist speeches, I would, but since the right is made up of decent human beings who never do that, I can’t.

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  164. @Ragno
    On the other hand, one of the victims of that black spree-killer out to kill whites in Fresno the other day was also antifa - Zack Randalls.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9zLug0XYAAKuP8.jpg

    So it turns out the universe is occasionally benign.

    And if only we knew that he realized at the end just how wrong he was the schadenfreude would be so much better.

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  165. @Karl
    8 Anony-mouse > . The NYT base readership and the NYT are both sympatico on this. No misleading there. Of course the base readership of Unz.com

    I can name a Unz blogger who not only reads the entire ( = pays them real money) NY Times everyday, but gives it lots & lots of free publicity.

    American Independence was not won by reading the London newspapers every day, me thinks.

    But he’s not the base readership. More like what I’m doing.

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  166. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, on a neighbor's lawn is a neatly printed yard sign, in rainbow colors that states; In our America we believe, That a woman controls her body, That no one is illegal, That black lives matter, That science is real, That we celebrate diversity, Everyone is kind, Love is Love. that could be your new dumbed down Stanford essay.

    I see that stupid sign too when dropping my kid off at school in the rich part of town. Another is, in English, Spanish, and Arabic: “No matter where you come from, I am glad to call you neighbor.”

    Easy enough to say where median house price is ~$750k. Strangely, in my neighborhood–on the border of Taliban towers and the Hispanic section 8 housing–those signs are missing.

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    I see that stupid sign too when dropping my kid off at school in the rich part of town. Another is, in English, Spanish, and Arabic: “No matter where you come from, I am glad to call you neighbor.”
     
    Yeah, some of my libtard neighbors have that sign in the yard of their $800+k houses. One of them told me she got it from her church (natch!). I doubt they would feel that way if the rental house on the corner was occupied by 17 Somalis.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    anon, not to be a snob, but we live in a prime suburb. In the city of Buffalo you see signs stating: "I leave Peace prints." Those signs commemorate the murder of Sister Karen Kimiec, a Catholic nun killed by one of the residents at the halfway house she ran for recently released felons.
  167. @Buffalo Joe
    Stealth, Wait, slavery and Jim Crow were more than six weeks ago? Seems like only yesterday.

    They do indeed remember slavery and segregation, but those things play an important role in their mythology. To the part of a liberal’s brain that feelz, Jim Crow was very recent. They’re a little foggy on some of the details, though. For instance, most liberals probably believe that tens (hundreds?) of thousands of black men were lynched between the end of Reconstruction and the Civil Rights movement.

    On the other hand, the Milo riots at Berkeley are lost to the dim mists of history. The same will soon be true for Charles Murray’s unfortunate dustup at Middlebury. I’m sure their recollection of the latter has already become very hazy. If they remembered either of these events clearly, they would recognize that Antifas are not peaceful protesters, and that the Antifas probably started the violence during this latest Battle of Berkeley. But they don’t, so they don’t.

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  168. @fitzGetty
    It would be interesting to revisit the NYT reportage around the Duke Lacrosse scandal ...

    KC Johnson was tracking the New York Times and the Durham Herald-Sun at the time. Both were scandalous.

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  169. @anon
    See, you realize as an intelligent person that any controversial figure known for his outrageous antics most likely will provoke some sort of aggressive reaction.

    This is obviously a lie. When has, for example, Amy Schumer ever been violently protested?

    The truth is, the LEFT reacts aggressively, because they are all bad people.

    The more the media reports on the events they stage, the more publicity they generate, the more likely they will continue to push the envelope until someone gets seriously injured or killed.

    Or, you know. Until the left just stops being violent. I mean, they can do that, right? They're fully human beings, who can control their actions. Aren't they?

    So, without offering the proper context how and why the events FIRST unfolded, Mr. Sailer, you are victim of your own design.

    No he hasn't. You're dumb.

    I am certain that in the future you will start calling out similar incidences when conservative news outlets pull the same tricks, right?

    When conservative outlets start covering up aggression by the right, he probably would, but since that never happens, he won't have to.

    Why do you keep doing this to yourself, Corvinus?

    “This is obviously a lie. When has, for example, Amy Schumer ever been violently protested?”

    She is not on the same of agent provocateur as Milo.

    “The truth is, the LEFT reacts aggressively, because they are all bad people.”

    As soon as you use the word “all”, then you have lost credibility.

    “When conservative outlets start covering up aggression by the right, he probably would, but since that never happens, he won’t have to.”

    The Alt Right is protecting Stickman. He wore a mask to a protest march. According to Mr. Sailer, he should be arrested for violating the law.

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    She is not on the same of agent provocateur as Milo.

    Sure she is. But fine. Let's pretend she's not. Who is? Name me ONE person the right ever used violence to shut up.

    As soon as you use the word “all”, then you have lost credibility.


    As soon as you became a leftist, you lost all credibility.

    The Alt Right is protecting Stickman.


    Because, as you know, he was defending people against the eternally awful leftists.

    He wore a mask to a protest march. According to Mr. Sailer, he should be arrested for violating the law.


    Well, apparently the police didn't think that was important enough to arrest him for. But at any rate, they didn't enforce thatnlaw against any of the many disgusting masked leftists at that event. If the police did, in fact, enforce that law equally among both sides, I really doubt they'd stick up for him much.

    Anyway.

    You know, there's this weird phenomenon. African-Americans sometimes hang out on HBD websites, but every time they do (like Truth, Obsidian, and others), it ALWAYS backfires. Everything they say is just so stupid and disingenuous. A lot of people in those comments sections think black people are kind of stupid to begin with, but they're actually surprised at just HOW stupid all the things they say are.

    Sometimes they think "You know, this black person seems a bit smarter than average for blacks. If this is what HE thinks, imagine what the rest of them think!".

    Just saying. Food for thought.
    , @NOTA
    I don't know about anyone else, but when I see footage of rioting masked thugs at a protest, or battling thugs in the streets, I don't think "hooray for my side," I think "why the hell aren't the cops arresting those idiots?" If the ideological street battles in Berkeley continue, sooner or later the disorder will prove too embarrassing, and the authorities will be forced to restore order, breaking heads as needed to do so. Deciding not to do so is an explicit choice, in exactly the same sense that it would be an explicit choice if the cops in some racist town somewhere declined to investigate crimes where blacks got beaten up by whites.

    I wonder if college administrators live in such an ideological bubble that they do not recognize what this looks like from the outside. The fact that a bunch of universities can't have a moderately controversial speaker show up and give a talk because their students will riot and drive him off is embarrassing. It damages the brand of the school in all kinds of ways.

    I'm a parent and also someone who is sometimes involved in hiring decisions. Demonstrating that your university is such a basket case you can't handle a speaker as controversial as Heather Macdonald is a really bad way of convincing me I should spend my own money to send my kid to your university, so instead of studying he can get caught up in riots, so he can spend four years being taught that he must never hear a point of view that might offend the average sociology professor. It's also not such great advertising for your graduates. My workplace includes people with varying views and backgrounds, why do I want to hire someone who's going to be traumatized the first time he hears someone talk about having voted for Trump or opposing gay marriage?

    The universities having these protests drive away speakers and shut down political rallies with violence are damaging their brands. Now, someplace like Berkeley can weather that--they're a first-rate university with a great reputation, and they're famous for this kind of over-the-top crap. But it's not such a great look for the University of Missouri or Claremont or Middlebury--those schools don't have the towering reputation of Berkeley to protect them, and students, parents, and employers all have a lot of other options.

    I don't think this is only noticed by parents or employers on the right, either. Democrats don't want a bunch of stupid drama from their new hires, who can't abide the thought that someone might disagree with them on politics, any more than Republicans. Liberals want their kids to get a good education and not get caught up in riots. They dont want their kid to end up majoring in some useless social justice field (so they can move back home and work at Starbucks after college) any more than Conservatives do. If you're poor and black or brown and have any sense, you *really* don't want your kid blowing his shot at getting professional skills and credentials for a middle class life, by getting sucked up into riots and protests (maybe with an arrest or two on his record to make the job search more fun) and flunking out or majoring in Black Studies or some other "don't hire me I'm a lawsuit waiting to happen and I have no saleable skills" major.

  170. @Realist
    No type of genius let alone a super genius would waste his time watching dickhead O'Reilly.
    Your cleverness fails you.

    I found it odd and thought it might say something about the Central European mentality. Or maybe not. But the guy is very smart.

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  171. @Paul Yarbles
    Do you know of any disorder and chaos-seeking left-wing speakers who were shut down recently by protesters?

    “Do you know of any disorder and chaos-seeking left-wing speakers who were shut down recently by protesters?”

    Considering that universities tend to be liberal, why would they be shut down?

    Fortunately, there’s an organization called FIRE (Foundation for Individual Rights in Education) that opposes to the protesting of speakers.

    https://www.thefire.org/resources/disinvitation-database/

    This website tracks whether these protests came from the political Right or the political Left (or neither). The Left protested far more with 197 incidents and 71 successful disinvitations (36%). The Right protested less, with 102 incidents, but it was also far better at canceling events, with 56 successful disinvitations (55%).

    Free speech means that the government may not forbid people from speaking. It does not mean that colleges (or anyone else) has an obligation to let them speak at their institutions. Of course, these restrictions violates the purpose of universities–enable ALL people regardless of their position to exchange their ideas.

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    This website tracks whether these protests came from the political Right or the political Left (or neither). The Left protested far more with 197 incidents and 71 successful disinvitations (36%). The Right protested less, with 102 incidents, but it was also far better at canceling events, with 56 successful disinvitations (55%).

    And how many of those fell into the category of "heckler's veto", which is what we're really talking about here?
    , @Paul Yarbles
    Thanks for the link. According to the website, the leftists are on top with the dis-invitations for 2016-2017.

    There are different ways to be dis-invited. Dis-invitations under the threat of violence is much more troubling than dis-invitations because of worries about upsetting the tender feelings of the students. A rioting mob is different than students with annoying petitions.

    When was the last time a leftist was dis-invited because of the threat of violence? Or the last time a rioting mob shut them down? I'm not trying to win brownie points here. I really can't remember if this has occurred recently. Maybe it's my bias, but all I can remember are rightists being shutdown or dis-invited under these circumstances.

    Free speech means that the government may not forbid people from speaking. It does not mean that colleges (or anyone else) has an obligation to let them speak at their institutions. Of course, these restrictions violates the purpose of universities–enable ALL people regardless of their position to exchange their idea.
     
    I agree with you here except that public universities do have an obligation.
    , @Joe Schmoe


    Free speech means that the government may not forbid people from speaking. It does not mean that colleges (or anyone else) has an obligation to let them speak at their institutions. Of course, these restrictions violates the purpose of universities–enable ALL people regardless of their position to exchange their ideas.
     
    A public university is the government.

    A university whose students get any kind of federal aid must also not forbid people from speaking.

    A speaker needs to sue and take it to the Supreme Court.
  172. @BB753
    Corvinus, you sound like a rapist pleading : "she asked for it, the slut was wearing a mini-skirt!"

    “Corvinus, you sound like a rapist pleading : “she asked for it, the slut was wearing a mini-skirt!”

    All your stupidity are belong to me.

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    All your stupidity are belong to me.
     
    Indeed. Your posts are doing a good job of cornering that market.
  173. @RadicalCenter
    Not all of us are in a cocoon. I read the Wall Street journal on Saturdays (buying it) and on Sundays the New York Times (for free in a coffee shop). (I also actually try to have meaningful friendly conversations or arguments with friends whom I consider much too militarist, too welfarist, etc., and it sometimes works.). Every week we socialize with people from Asia, Europe, and Mexico and discuss whatever comes up.

    Do the hardcore invade/invite-the-world crowd who often subscribe to those Deep State/Wall Street/Hollywood publications check in with the perspectives on unz.com or VDare? Do they ever read The American Conservative or antiwar.com to get a fuller view on the issues? Didn't think so.

    You might enjoy the humor pages at Patriot Post, as they have many familiar iStevey themes.

    https://patriotpost.us/humor

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  174. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Corvinus
    "This is obviously a lie. When has, for example, Amy Schumer ever been violently protested?"

    She is not on the same of agent provocateur as Milo.

    "The truth is, the LEFT reacts aggressively, because they are all bad people."

    As soon as you use the word "all", then you have lost credibility.

    "When conservative outlets start covering up aggression by the right, he probably would, but since that never happens, he won’t have to."

    The Alt Right is protecting Stickman. He wore a mask to a protest march. According to Mr. Sailer, he should be arrested for violating the law.

    She is not on the same of agent provocateur as Milo.

    Sure she is. But fine. Let’s pretend she’s not. Who is? Name me ONE person the right ever used violence to shut up.

    As soon as you use the word “all”, then you have lost credibility.

    As soon as you became a leftist, you lost all credibility.

    The Alt Right is protecting Stickman.

    Because, as you know, he was defending people against the eternally awful leftists.

    He wore a mask to a protest march. According to Mr. Sailer, he should be arrested for violating the law.

    Well, apparently the police didn’t think that was important enough to arrest him for. But at any rate, they didn’t enforce thatnlaw against any of the many disgusting masked leftists at that event. If the police did, in fact, enforce that law equally among both sides, I really doubt they’d stick up for him much.

    Anyway.

    You know, there’s this weird phenomenon. African-Americans sometimes hang out on HBD websites, but every time they do (like Truth, Obsidian, and others), it ALWAYS backfires. Everything they say is just so stupid and disingenuous. A lot of people in those comments sections think black people are kind of stupid to begin with, but they’re actually surprised at just HOW stupid all the things they say are.

    Sometimes they think “You know, this black person seems a bit smarter than average for blacks. If this is what HE thinks, imagine what the rest of them think!”.

    Just saying. Food for thought.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I think people who persist in wearing masks at riots should be arrested. It doesn't matter whose side you are on.
    , @Stealth
    I don't think Truth is an authentic AA.
  175. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Corvinus
    "Do you know of any disorder and chaos-seeking left-wing speakers who were shut down recently by protesters?"

    Considering that universities tend to be liberal, why would they be shut down?

    Fortunately, there's an organization called FIRE (Foundation for Individual Rights in Education) that opposes to the protesting of speakers.

    https://www.thefire.org/resources/disinvitation-database/

    This website tracks whether these protests came from the political Right or the political Left (or neither). The Left protested far more with 197 incidents and 71 successful disinvitations (36%). The Right protested less, with 102 incidents, but it was also far better at canceling events, with 56 successful disinvitations (55%).

    Free speech means that the government may not forbid people from speaking. It does not mean that colleges (or anyone else) has an obligation to let them speak at their institutions. Of course, these restrictions violates the purpose of universities--enable ALL people regardless of their position to exchange their ideas.

    This website tracks whether these protests came from the political Right or the political Left (or neither). The Left protested far more with 197 incidents and 71 successful disinvitations (36%). The Right protested less, with 102 incidents, but it was also far better at canceling events, with 56 successful disinvitations (55%).

    And how many of those fell into the category of “heckler’s veto”, which is what we’re really talking about here?

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  176. @anon
    She is not on the same of agent provocateur as Milo.

    Sure she is. But fine. Let's pretend she's not. Who is? Name me ONE person the right ever used violence to shut up.

    As soon as you use the word “all”, then you have lost credibility.


    As soon as you became a leftist, you lost all credibility.

    The Alt Right is protecting Stickman.


    Because, as you know, he was defending people against the eternally awful leftists.

    He wore a mask to a protest march. According to Mr. Sailer, he should be arrested for violating the law.


    Well, apparently the police didn't think that was important enough to arrest him for. But at any rate, they didn't enforce thatnlaw against any of the many disgusting masked leftists at that event. If the police did, in fact, enforce that law equally among both sides, I really doubt they'd stick up for him much.

    Anyway.

    You know, there's this weird phenomenon. African-Americans sometimes hang out on HBD websites, but every time they do (like Truth, Obsidian, and others), it ALWAYS backfires. Everything they say is just so stupid and disingenuous. A lot of people in those comments sections think black people are kind of stupid to begin with, but they're actually surprised at just HOW stupid all the things they say are.

    Sometimes they think "You know, this black person seems a bit smarter than average for blacks. If this is what HE thinks, imagine what the rest of them think!".

    Just saying. Food for thought.

    I think people who persist in wearing masks at riots should be arrested. It doesn’t matter whose side you are on.

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    • Replies: @anon
    And that's fine. But if the police arrested JUST him for wearing a mask, but not any of the masked people on the antifa side, that would be pretty crappy, don't you think?

    Plus, his "mask" was actually a respirator to protect him from pepper spray from antifa, which he did indeed turn out to need.
    , @Federalist
    It's fine to say everyone "should be" arrested but that isn't what happens, at least in Berkeley. People like Stickman who actually go out and fight back against the Leftist thugs, have to deal with reality. They need to protect themselves as best they can. Stickman is being prosecuted but the Leftists aren't. It didn't work for Stickman, but you're chances of avoiding prosecution are better if you wear a mask. You can say he shouldn't have worn a mask but he wouldn't have needed to if the cops enforced the law to begin with instead of conspiring with the Leftists to violently oppress their political foes.
  177. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Steve Sailer
    I think people who persist in wearing masks at riots should be arrested. It doesn't matter whose side you are on.

    And that’s fine. But if the police arrested JUST him for wearing a mask, but not any of the masked people on the antifa side, that would be pretty crappy, don’t you think?

    Plus, his “mask” was actually a respirator to protect him from pepper spray from antifa, which he did indeed turn out to need.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "African-Americans sometimes hang out on HBD websites, but every time they do (like Truth, Obsidian, and others), it ALWAYS backfires. Everything they say is just so stupid and disingenuous."

    Again, when you use terms like "every time" or "everything" or "all" or "never" or "always" you lose credibility.

    "Plus, his “mask” was actually a respirator to protect him from pepper spray from antifa."

    Thanks for protecting criminal activity. He was purposely covering up his face to hide his identity, just like radical lefties. Once they are revealed, there is no need to wear the mask. Furthermore, he is skulking around with a stick and shield. Why not choose to be in an area where there is less opportunity for violence. And, if there are aggressive actions taking place in the crowd, how about keeping your distance or walking away? Why be at ground zero of a mob?

    "But if the police arrested JUST him for wearing a mask, but not any of the masked people on the antifa side."

    Ask the D.A.'s. Perhaps the police have been told he or she is not going to prosecute offenders who simply wear masks at a protest march, but you must arrest them when they engage in physical violence. It's a common practice among D.A.'s regardless of political ideology.

    "As soon as you became a leftist, you lost all credibility."

    I'm not a leftist, I'm a moderate. Thanks for playing.
  178. @Corvinus
    "Corvinus, you sound like a rapist pleading : “she asked for it, the slut was wearing a mini-skirt!”

    All your stupidity are belong to me.

    All your stupidity are belong to me.

    Indeed. Your posts are doing a good job of cornering that market.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Indeed. Your posts are doing a good job of cornering that market."

    Thanks for poisoning the well--targeting a person with the intention of discrediting everything that he says without providing particular examples or offering specific contradictory evidence.
  179. @anon
    She is not on the same of agent provocateur as Milo.

    Sure she is. But fine. Let's pretend she's not. Who is? Name me ONE person the right ever used violence to shut up.

    As soon as you use the word “all”, then you have lost credibility.


    As soon as you became a leftist, you lost all credibility.

    The Alt Right is protecting Stickman.


    Because, as you know, he was defending people against the eternally awful leftists.

    He wore a mask to a protest march. According to Mr. Sailer, he should be arrested for violating the law.


    Well, apparently the police didn't think that was important enough to arrest him for. But at any rate, they didn't enforce thatnlaw against any of the many disgusting masked leftists at that event. If the police did, in fact, enforce that law equally among both sides, I really doubt they'd stick up for him much.

    Anyway.

    You know, there's this weird phenomenon. African-Americans sometimes hang out on HBD websites, but every time they do (like Truth, Obsidian, and others), it ALWAYS backfires. Everything they say is just so stupid and disingenuous. A lot of people in those comments sections think black people are kind of stupid to begin with, but they're actually surprised at just HOW stupid all the things they say are.

    Sometimes they think "You know, this black person seems a bit smarter than average for blacks. If this is what HE thinks, imagine what the rest of them think!".

    Just saying. Food for thought.

    I don’t think Truth is an authentic AA.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I don't reveal anything about commenters, and I usually don't know anything, but hasn't, over the years, Truth given a lot of details about himself that seem pretty self-consistent, not implausible, and unlikely to be details that somebody would make up?
  180. @Corvinus
    "Do you know of any disorder and chaos-seeking left-wing speakers who were shut down recently by protesters?"

    Considering that universities tend to be liberal, why would they be shut down?

    Fortunately, there's an organization called FIRE (Foundation for Individual Rights in Education) that opposes to the protesting of speakers.

    https://www.thefire.org/resources/disinvitation-database/

    This website tracks whether these protests came from the political Right or the political Left (or neither). The Left protested far more with 197 incidents and 71 successful disinvitations (36%). The Right protested less, with 102 incidents, but it was also far better at canceling events, with 56 successful disinvitations (55%).

    Free speech means that the government may not forbid people from speaking. It does not mean that colleges (or anyone else) has an obligation to let them speak at their institutions. Of course, these restrictions violates the purpose of universities--enable ALL people regardless of their position to exchange their ideas.

    Thanks for the link. According to the website, the leftists are on top with the dis-invitations for 2016-2017.

    There are different ways to be dis-invited. Dis-invitations under the threat of violence is much more troubling than dis-invitations because of worries about upsetting the tender feelings of the students. A rioting mob is different than students with annoying petitions.

    When was the last time a leftist was dis-invited because of the threat of violence? Or the last time a rioting mob shut them down? I’m not trying to win brownie points here. I really can’t remember if this has occurred recently. Maybe it’s my bias, but all I can remember are rightists being shutdown or dis-invited under these circumstances.

    Free speech means that the government may not forbid people from speaking. It does not mean that colleges (or anyone else) has an obligation to let them speak at their institutions. Of course, these restrictions violates the purpose of universities–enable ALL people regardless of their position to exchange their idea.

    I agree with you here except that public universities do have an obligation.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "I agree with you here except that public universities do have an obligation."

    Public universities are the extension of state government. They have a duty to maintain a safe environment, and have to weigh the rights of the individual with the rights of the group. Think about the "safe speech zones" employed by both the Democrats and Republicans at their national conventions. People had the right to assemble, just not close by to the actual place where they held their festivities.
  181. @Stealth
    I don't think Truth is an authentic AA.

    I don’t reveal anything about commenters, and I usually don’t know anything, but hasn’t, over the years, Truth given a lot of details about himself that seem pretty self-consistent, not implausible, and unlikely to be details that somebody would make up?

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    • Replies: @Stealth
    I'll concede this one. To be honest, I skip over most of his longer replies, so maybe I've missed out on some biographical info that could have changed my mind. I read the comments here mostly to see what like-minded but much better informed (than I am) readers have to say.

    The shorter replies of his that I do catch seem a little too ridiculous to be... True.

  182. @Steve Sailer
    I think people who persist in wearing masks at riots should be arrested. It doesn't matter whose side you are on.

    It’s fine to say everyone “should be” arrested but that isn’t what happens, at least in Berkeley. People like Stickman who actually go out and fight back against the Leftist thugs, have to deal with reality. They need to protect themselves as best they can. Stickman is being prosecuted but the Leftists aren’t. It didn’t work for Stickman, but you’re chances of avoiding prosecution are better if you wear a mask. You can say he shouldn’t have worn a mask but he wouldn’t have needed to if the cops enforced the law to begin with instead of conspiring with the Leftists to violently oppress their political foes.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Stickman is being prosecuted but the Leftists aren’t."

    Not accurate.

    https://darktriadman.com/2017/04/20/murderous-antifa-with-bike-lock-outed-as-san-francisco-state-university-professor/

    The question is will he be fired?
  183. @Buck Turgidson
    "maverick" is another leftist favorite. Of course "controversial" is another standard. "Outspoken". What am I missing. Tom Tancredo was, and Steve King still is, favorite targets. Controversial Iowa Congressman Steve King. Tom Tancredo, maverick firebrand Congressman from Colorado. Totally middle of the road normal Vermont representative Bernie Sanders.

    These all are reserved for nationalist/conservative/closed borders types. On the left, there are no outspoken, controversial, or extreme points of view.

    Have to disagree somewhat.

    Outspoken = bravely repeating the elite narrative while firmly grasping the MSM/Twitter/Faceberg megaphone.

    Controversial = repeating ideas frowned upon by the elite but popular with many, if not the majority of, regular people.

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  184. @anony-mouse
    Sorry, but you're a bit blank-slatish on this, Steve. The NYT base readership and the NYT are both sympatico on this. No misleading there.

    Of course the base readership of Unz.com is its own cocoon too. Its cocoons all over.

    There is some truth in that but most of us are assailed by The Poz/The Narrative/The Agenda every single day if we watch TV, listen to the radio, open a paper. If it weren’t for the interwebs we’d see/hear nothing else.

    But those in their left/lib/globalist cocoon, they can go 24/7 and lamost never have their cocoon compromised or challenged. Except by boring empirical reality of course, but if they’re careful they can avoid that too.

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  185. @Steve Sailer
    I don't reveal anything about commenters, and I usually don't know anything, but hasn't, over the years, Truth given a lot of details about himself that seem pretty self-consistent, not implausible, and unlikely to be details that somebody would make up?

    I’ll concede this one. To be honest, I skip over most of his longer replies, so maybe I’ve missed out on some biographical info that could have changed my mind. I read the comments here mostly to see what like-minded but much better informed (than I am) readers have to say.

    The shorter replies of his that I do catch seem a little too ridiculous to be… True.

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    • Replies: @Stealth
    Truth, Tiny Duck. I think I'm getting their material mixed up because another commenter once joked that the two could be one and the same. The fact that both begin with capital T doesn't help. That explains it. Apologies to Truth.
  186. @unpc downunder
    Speaking of lying, I've been watching a lot of clips by You tube poster Bombard's Body Language, who among other things has nailed the Berkeley protester girl that was supposedly assaulted by a right-winger:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-ivwrdrJTU

    Yeah I’ve watched that woman’s videos I don’t know what to make of her , what makes her an expert ? Calling this slag beautiful though makes me question her judgement . This bitch almost ruined porn for me , thank God we never see any chubbies at these Antifa riots . BTW I’m sure this nitwit didn’t do her own makeup .

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  187. @Thomas
    I don't know how much personal courage Ann Coulter has, and I couldn't blame her if she doesn't want to risk exposing herself to personal violence. But I would wish that she would tell the campus administration to go to hell, that she's coming to the campus to speak whether they like it or not even if it's on the steps at Sproul Plaza to anyone who shows up, and that they can either risk a riot, suffer the eternal bad optics of publicly arresting a 55 year-old woman who came to give a speech at the home of the Free Speech Movement, or actually fulfill their duties of maintaining order and protecting the public space they're responsible for from being taken over by masked hoodlums.

    Some "Proud Boys" types associated with Gavin McInnes, or at least people who are running those social media accounts, seem to be indicating they'll come back to Berkeley to provide security for Coulter. That I can only imagine would give UC a heart attack!

    She’s announced she will speak at Berkely as planned. There are plenty of parks.

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  188. The mind of a liberal is like a sink. Every once in a while the liberal mind control device pulls the plug, drains out the fashionable cause, and turns on the faucet and fills the sink with a new cause

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  189. @Bill Jones
    "it is hard to believe a college professor would do something like that — "

    it is hard to believe a sane person would believe that it's hard to believe.

    I doubt he’s a professer. He’s probably some part timer with quarter to. quarter contracts making $25.00 per hour and working a 12 hours a week. Given the price of housing in the Bay Area he probably lives in a van.

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  190. @Stan Adams
    Bush's reasons for attaqing Iraq were as flimsy and fabricated as hypocritical liberals' reasons for opposing it.

    Iraq was a needless war, as meaningless and wasteful a slaughter as Vietnam.

    (You can thank that great liberal, Lyndon Johnson, for the latter. Johnson's trumped-up rationale for putting our boys through the meat grinder was more than a little flimsy and fabricated, as well.)

    Also, the NYT, through its flawed reporting of the supposed threat that Saddam posed to us, was one of the leading boosters of our little crusade in Iraq.

    Bush’s reasons for attaqing Iraq were as flimsy and fabricated as hypocritical liberals’ reasons for opposing it.

    You didn’t specify which Bush.

    What did Saddam ever do to Kuwait that Kuwaitis– and Arabs everywhere else– didn’t have coming good and hard? (Besides imposing women’s suffrage, that is.)

    Hell, we had no business in the Germany-France business either time. It was just the Krauts’ payback for previous centuries abuse.

    The Bushes were just the return of Wilson and Roosevelt.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    What did Saddam ever do to Kuwait that Kuwaitis– and Arabs everywhere else– didn’t have coming good and hard?

    Kuwait was a harmless oil prinicipality which deserved no ill treatment from Saddam or anyone else.
  191. @eah
    Just to clarify/correct: I find no evidence that he is currently a philosophy professor at SFSU -- eg he is not mentioned on the faculty page -- but per the following link, it looks like he received an MA from SFSU, and lectured in 2015 at CSU Sacramento.

    November, 2014 -- Philosophy students help high schoolers tackle ethics -- Ashlie Meredith (from left), Matt Howery and Eric Clanton are among several SF State graduate philosophy students serving as coaches for San Francisco public high school teams competing in the High School Ethics Bowl.

    Again: It is not yet 100% certain this is the guy who bashed someone on the head with a heavy bike lock -- you can watch video of the attack here.

    it looks like he received an MA from SFSU

    More likely a BS from STFU.

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    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Haha, I can't LOL, but I saw that one coming, and you were right on it. Nice!
  192. @donut
    Sadly this is no lie :

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=610_1492511011

    Jeebus we should have elected Melania .

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  193. @res

    All your stupidity are belong to me.
     
    Indeed. Your posts are doing a good job of cornering that market.

    “Indeed. Your posts are doing a good job of cornering that market.”

    Thanks for poisoning the well–targeting a person with the intention of discrediting everything that he says without providing particular examples or offering specific contradictory evidence.

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    • Replies: @res
    I'm learning my fallacies from a master. Thanks!

    I've given enough particular examples and specific contradictory evidence in response to you in the past that I realize they don't really help. More fun to snipe from the sidelines (and your posts provide a target rich environment). Your posts do seem to have a bit higher signal to noise ratio (perhaps that should be content to fallacy ratio or content to meaningless rhetoric ratio) these days though. It would be great if you would work on the denominator as well.
  194. @anon
    And that's fine. But if the police arrested JUST him for wearing a mask, but not any of the masked people on the antifa side, that would be pretty crappy, don't you think?

    Plus, his "mask" was actually a respirator to protect him from pepper spray from antifa, which he did indeed turn out to need.

    “African-Americans sometimes hang out on HBD websites, but every time they do (like Truth, Obsidian, and others), it ALWAYS backfires. Everything they say is just so stupid and disingenuous.”

    Again, when you use terms like “every time” or “everything” or “all” or “never” or “always” you lose credibility.

    “Plus, his “mask” was actually a respirator to protect him from pepper spray from antifa.”

    Thanks for protecting criminal activity. He was purposely covering up his face to hide his identity, just like radical lefties. Once they are revealed, there is no need to wear the mask. Furthermore, he is skulking around with a stick and shield. Why not choose to be in an area where there is less opportunity for violence. And, if there are aggressive actions taking place in the crowd, how about keeping your distance or walking away? Why be at ground zero of a mob?

    “But if the police arrested JUST him for wearing a mask, but not any of the masked people on the antifa side.”

    Ask the D.A.’s. Perhaps the police have been told he or she is not going to prosecute offenders who simply wear masks at a protest march, but you must arrest them when they engage in physical violence. It’s a common practice among D.A.’s regardless of political ideology.

    “As soon as you became a leftist, you lost all credibility.”

    I’m not a leftist, I’m a moderate. Thanks for playing.

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    • Replies: @anon
    Again, when you use terms like “every time” or “everything” or “all” or “never” or “always” you lose credibility.

    Fine. Every time I've seen it in my past decade+ of reading sites like this.

    Do you ever actually pay attention to the points people make, or do you just waste time focusing on exact, pointless details? Is this due to your low IQ?

    He was purposely covering up his face to hide his identity, just like radical lefties.

    This is incorrect. He was protecting himself from leftist violence. If he just wanted to hide his identity, there are far cheaper ways to do so than to purchase an actual respirator. If your IQ was over 85, you would have figured this out already.

    Furthermore, he is skulking around with a stick and shield.

    Because he knew that leftists are violent and had to protect people. What did you think he was going to do? Hit people with a shield?

    Why not choose to be in an area where there is less opportunity for violence. And, if there are aggressive actions taking place in the crowd, how about keeping your distance or walking away? Why be at ground zero of a mob?

    Because, as you could see if you watched the video, he was defending innocent people from leftists. He knew that the Berkeley police weren't going to do their jobs, as they agree with the leftists and would not arrest them. So he had to do so in order to keep the leftists from taking over the area and attacking innocent people, which is something leftists love to do.

    Perhaps the police have been told he or she is not going to prosecute offenders who simply wear masks at a protest march, but you must arrest them when they engage in physical violence.

    Yes. Perhaps. So, if the DA isn't going to make leftists follow the rule, why should he?

    I’m not a leftist, I’m a moderate. Thanks for playing.

    Actually, I suspect that your IQ is too low for you to have any coherent political beliefs at all. Either way, you really shouldn't be allowed to vote.

    By the way, dummy. We've asked you several times to provide examples of people that the right has used violence to shut down. Are you ever going to do this?

  195. @Paul Yarbles
    Thanks for the link. According to the website, the leftists are on top with the dis-invitations for 2016-2017.

    There are different ways to be dis-invited. Dis-invitations under the threat of violence is much more troubling than dis-invitations because of worries about upsetting the tender feelings of the students. A rioting mob is different than students with annoying petitions.

    When was the last time a leftist was dis-invited because of the threat of violence? Or the last time a rioting mob shut them down? I'm not trying to win brownie points here. I really can't remember if this has occurred recently. Maybe it's my bias, but all I can remember are rightists being shutdown or dis-invited under these circumstances.

    Free speech means that the government may not forbid people from speaking. It does not mean that colleges (or anyone else) has an obligation to let them speak at their institutions. Of course, these restrictions violates the purpose of universities–enable ALL people regardless of their position to exchange their idea.
     
    I agree with you here except that public universities do have an obligation.

    “I agree with you here except that public universities do have an obligation.”

    Public universities are the extension of state government. They have a duty to maintain a safe environment, and have to weigh the rights of the individual with the rights of the group. Think about the “safe speech zones” employed by both the Democrats and Republicans at their national conventions. People had the right to assemble, just not close by to the actual place where they held their festivities.

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    They have a duty to maintain a safe environment...
     
    This brings us back to my question. When there is a supposed unsafe environment associated with a speaker, who is the speaker? Which way does he or she lean, left or right? Lately, it seems that it is always rightist speakers that correlate with unsafe environments. Why?
    , @anon
    They have a duty to maintain a safe environment, and have to weigh the rights of the individual with the rights of the group.

    Hard as it may be for you to believe, leftists don't have a right to riot and set buildings on fire.

    Think about the “safe speech zones” employed by both the Democrats and Republicans at their national conventions. People had the right to assemble, just not close by to the actual place where they held their festivities.


    So, again, if you had an IQ over 85, you'd see that the solution is to rule that leftists don't have a right to protest anywhere near where intelligent people are speaking, and to arrest any protesters who get close to them.

    But they don't do this, do they? Instead, they ban the rightists from speaking, and pretend that they really don't just agree with the leftist savages. This is a lie.
  196. @Federalist
    It's fine to say everyone "should be" arrested but that isn't what happens, at least in Berkeley. People like Stickman who actually go out and fight back against the Leftist thugs, have to deal with reality. They need to protect themselves as best they can. Stickman is being prosecuted but the Leftists aren't. It didn't work for Stickman, but you're chances of avoiding prosecution are better if you wear a mask. You can say he shouldn't have worn a mask but he wouldn't have needed to if the cops enforced the law to begin with instead of conspiring with the Leftists to violently oppress their political foes.

    “Stickman is being prosecuted but the Leftists aren’t.”

    Not accurate.

    https://darktriadman.com/2017/04/20/murderous-antifa-with-bike-lock-outed-as-san-francisco-state-university-professor/

    The question is will he be fired?

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    • Replies: @anon
    That was at a different event than the one where Stickman was arrested for defending innocent people against mindless leftist savages.
    , @Federalist
    Accurate enough. O.K. one guy who bashed people with a bike lock is being prosecuted, I guess. Maybe some others who are among the worst offenders are as well. The point is that the Berkeley cops*, academia, the media, etc. are all conspiring with the Leftists to shut down free speech and attack their opponents all the while making it appear that Trump supporters/right wingers, etc. are to blame. People should never have been allowed to mask, riot, etc. because they didn't like the results of the election or don't want someone to speak.

    I wouldn't get my hopes up about him being fired. 60's radicals committed acts of terrorism and became university professors.

    *You'll probably find something to nitpick anyway but I don't know/don't care/doesn't matter if they are university police, city police, or whatever.
  197. @Mike Zwick

    So they just read this to align with their prejudices
     
    That is how it is written as well. That is their reality, anything that aligns with their prejudices is all they see. Anything else does not compute.

    Pissing off your readers = losing your audience = going out of business. My sense is that a lot of media sources have this tension between three goals:

    a. Telling the story they want to tell.
    b. Not pissing off the readers too much.
    c. Not lying.

    I commonly listen to NPR stories where it’s obvious that the reporter is doing his best to not actually lie, while also not bringing up any of the data that would contradict the story he wants to tell. This is how you get those amazing NYT stories where information in the last three paragraphs changes the whole tone of the story.

    The best example of (b) I can think of is the runup to the Iraq war. Lots of news media seem to have decided that anything but patriotic pro-war fervor would piss off their readers/viewers/listeners too much, so they chose their subjectsand sources and wrote their stories accordingly.

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    In the months leading up to Iraq Attaq '03, the NYT's Judith Miller served as a bullhorn for Ahmed Chalabi's BS with her exclusive front-page reports about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction.

    (The NYT sets the national news agenda - not only for other papers, but for the TV networks, as well. So when the NYT gives its imprimatur to reports that Iraq poses an imminent danger to the United States, the rest of the media trumpets these reports loud and often.)

    I was in college at the time, so my thinking was about as liberal as it's ever been. I followed the buildup to the war with great interest. Miller's stories helped fuel the frenzy. Every time you looked at a TV, you saw a pundit spewing drivel about the imminent threat of an Iraqi nuclear, biological, and/or chemical attack against the United States and/or its allies. (There was one "ally" that was the main focus of concern. I needn't name it.)

    I didn't believe any of it. I already believed that 9/11 was either an inside job or a Pearl Harbor-style "allowed-to-happen" deal, so I had no trouble believing that the Bush administration was lying about Iraq. I didn't trust the government then and I don't trust it now.
  198. @IndieRafael
    Thank you for asking this question, Steve. We need more of this question in American political discourse. Even if it is him, it's worth slowing down and taking a few hours or days or weeks to be sure. Yes, I've taken 7 seconds to look at the photos and it looks like him, but I wouldn't want to be judged by that standard, especially when a mob is waiting. If other solid evidence has been offered that I haven't had time to see, that's different.

    Aside from it being the right thing to do, it's smart politics to avoid stupid mistakes.

    This is not a plea for weakness or letting the savages rule. Whoever he is, once definitely identified, he should have the roof fall in on him. He should be fired and charged with a crime -- someone suggested aggravated assault.

    The point is that it's worth asking, "Are you sure?" in these cases.

    Amen! If this guy wasn’t the rioter, spreading the lie that he was is unjust, as well as seriously nasty and potentially life-wrecking.

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  199. @Mr. Anon

    According to him J schools teach the mechanics of the profession very well, writing, how to conduct an interview, uncover the facts etc.
     
    Then why are journalists mostly so bad? I can barely recall ever having seen an American journalist even bother to ask a follow-up question. When a pol or pundit gives them the standard evasion, they just move on to the next question, rather than asking him to clarify his answer, or asking him to explain his assumptions, or just asking him to actually answer the damned question. Most journalists strike me as being exceptionally lazy and superficial.

    Journalism as a field has been crushed these last few years–something like half the jobs in the field have disappeared in the last couple decades. And online media get paid for clicks, which rewards sensationalism and tellign stories people want to hear, not care in getting the facts right.

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  200. @Stealth
    I'll concede this one. To be honest, I skip over most of his longer replies, so maybe I've missed out on some biographical info that could have changed my mind. I read the comments here mostly to see what like-minded but much better informed (than I am) readers have to say.

    The shorter replies of his that I do catch seem a little too ridiculous to be... True.

    Truth, Tiny Duck. I think I’m getting their material mixed up because another commenter once joked that the two could be one and the same. The fact that both begin with capital T doesn’t help. That explains it. Apologies to Truth.

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    This is classic Truth.

    http://www.unz.com/freed/notes-for-a-white-kid-in-university/#comment-1838078

    Infowars would be proud to have him, but he might be a little too out for them.

  201. @anon
    I see that stupid sign too when dropping my kid off at school in the rich part of town. Another is, in English, Spanish, and Arabic: "No matter where you come from, I am glad to call you neighbor."

    Easy enough to say where median house price is ~$750k. Strangely, in my neighborhood--on the border of Taliban towers and the Hispanic section 8 housing--those signs are missing.

    I see that stupid sign too when dropping my kid off at school in the rich part of town. Another is, in English, Spanish, and Arabic: “No matter where you come from, I am glad to call you neighbor.”

    Yeah, some of my libtard neighbors have that sign in the yard of their $800+k houses. One of them told me she got it from her church (natch!). I doubt they would feel that way if the rental house on the corner was occupied by 17 Somalis.

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  202. @Corvinus
    "This is obviously a lie. When has, for example, Amy Schumer ever been violently protested?"

    She is not on the same of agent provocateur as Milo.

    "The truth is, the LEFT reacts aggressively, because they are all bad people."

    As soon as you use the word "all", then you have lost credibility.

    "When conservative outlets start covering up aggression by the right, he probably would, but since that never happens, he won’t have to."

    The Alt Right is protecting Stickman. He wore a mask to a protest march. According to Mr. Sailer, he should be arrested for violating the law.

    I don’t know about anyone else, but when I see footage of rioting masked thugs at a protest, or battling thugs in the streets, I don’t think “hooray for my side,” I think “why the hell aren’t the cops arresting those idiots?” If the ideological street battles in Berkeley continue, sooner or later the disorder will prove too embarrassing, and the authorities will be forced to restore order, breaking heads as needed to do so. Deciding not to do so is an explicit choice, in exactly the same sense that it would be an explicit choice if the cops in some racist town somewhere declined to investigate crimes where blacks got beaten up by whites.

    I wonder if college administrators live in such an ideological bubble that they do not recognize what this looks like from the outside. The fact that a bunch of universities can’t have a moderately controversial speaker show up and give a talk because their students will riot and drive him off is embarrassing. It damages the brand of the school in all kinds of ways.

    I’m a parent and also someone who is sometimes involved in hiring decisions. Demonstrating that your university is such a basket case you can’t handle a speaker as controversial as Heather Macdonald is a really bad way of convincing me I should spend my own money to send my kid to your university, so instead of studying he can get caught up in riots, so he can spend four years being taught that he must never hear a point of view that might offend the average sociology professor. It’s also not such great advertising for your graduates. My workplace includes people with varying views and backgrounds, why do I want to hire someone who’s going to be traumatized the first time he hears someone talk about having voted for Trump or opposing gay marriage?

    The universities having these protests drive away speakers and shut down political rallies with violence are damaging their brands. Now, someplace like Berkeley can weather that–they’re a first-rate university with a great reputation, and they’re famous for this kind of over-the-top crap. But it’s not such a great look for the University of Missouri or Claremont or Middlebury–those schools don’t have the towering reputation of Berkeley to protect them, and students, parents, and employers all have a lot of other options.

    I don’t think this is only noticed by parents or employers on the right, either. Democrats don’t want a bunch of stupid drama from their new hires, who can’t abide the thought that someone might disagree with them on politics, any more than Republicans. Liberals want their kids to get a good education and not get caught up in riots. They dont want their kid to end up majoring in some useless social justice field (so they can move back home and work at Starbucks after college) any more than Conservatives do. If you’re poor and black or brown and have any sense, you *really* don’t want your kid blowing his shot at getting professional skills and credentials for a middle class life, by getting sucked up into riots and protests (maybe with an arrest or two on his record to make the job search more fun) and flunking out or majoring in Black Studies or some other “don’t hire me I’m a lawsuit waiting to happen and I have no saleable skills” major.

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  203. @Corvinus
    "I agree with you here except that public universities do have an obligation."

    Public universities are the extension of state government. They have a duty to maintain a safe environment, and have to weigh the rights of the individual with the rights of the group. Think about the "safe speech zones" employed by both the Democrats and Republicans at their national conventions. People had the right to assemble, just not close by to the actual place where they held their festivities.

    They have a duty to maintain a safe environment…

    This brings us back to my question. When there is a supposed unsafe environment associated with a speaker, who is the speaker? Which way does he or she lean, left or right? Lately, it seems that it is always rightist speakers that correlate with unsafe environments. Why?

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    Which way does he or she lean, left or right?

    Watch. I guarantee you Corvinus will come back with "It happens to both sides! Both sides use violence to shut each other down!", and yet, will be completely unable to come up with an example of the right doing it to the left.

    But it'll take like a string of four or five comments, back and forth, to make it clear that Corvinus is simply lying, and even then, he'll never admit it. This is how it always happens.

    It's weird how they always get so surprised that we're able to see through their lies. It's like a kid with chocolate all over his face, astonished that his mom could figure out that he was lying about stealing the cookies.
    , @Corvinus
    "This brings us back to my question. When there is a supposed unsafe environment associated with a speaker, who is the speaker? Which way does he or she lean, left or right? Lately, it seems that it is always rightist speakers that correlate with unsafe environments. Why?"

    It has been controversial rightist speakers lately whose appearances tend to bring out those radicals left and right who seek retribution through violence. College campuses for a host of reasons are woefully inconsistent in their mission statement.

    http://time.com/4530197/college-free-speech-zone/

    But law enforcement will not intervene until the masked culprits left or right initiate violence. Even then, that person or group may not be arrested. Laws on the books ought to be enforced, especially the anti-mask protest statute--it is illegal for those attending a rally to conceal their identity.
  204. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Corvinus
    "African-Americans sometimes hang out on HBD websites, but every time they do (like Truth, Obsidian, and others), it ALWAYS backfires. Everything they say is just so stupid and disingenuous."

    Again, when you use terms like "every time" or "everything" or "all" or "never" or "always" you lose credibility.

    "Plus, his “mask” was actually a respirator to protect him from pepper spray from antifa."

    Thanks for protecting criminal activity. He was purposely covering up his face to hide his identity, just like radical lefties. Once they are revealed, there is no need to wear the mask. Furthermore, he is skulking around with a stick and shield. Why not choose to be in an area where there is less opportunity for violence. And, if there are aggressive actions taking place in the crowd, how about keeping your distance or walking away? Why be at ground zero of a mob?

    "But if the police arrested JUST him for wearing a mask, but not any of the masked people on the antifa side."

    Ask the D.A.'s. Perhaps the police have been told he or she is not going to prosecute offenders who simply wear masks at a protest march, but you must arrest them when they engage in physical violence. It's a common practice among D.A.'s regardless of political ideology.

    "As soon as you became a leftist, you lost all credibility."

    I'm not a leftist, I'm a moderate. Thanks for playing.

    Again, when you use terms like “every time” or “everything” or “all” or “never” or “always” you lose credibility.

    Fine. Every time I’ve seen it in my past decade+ of reading sites like this.

    Do you ever actually pay attention to the points people make, or do you just waste time focusing on exact, pointless details? Is this due to your low IQ?

    He was purposely covering up his face to hide his identity, just like radical lefties.

    This is incorrect. He was protecting himself from leftist violence. If he just wanted to hide his identity, there are far cheaper ways to do so than to purchase an actual respirator. If your IQ was over 85, you would have figured this out already.

    Furthermore, he is skulking around with a stick and shield.

    Because he knew that leftists are violent and had to protect people. What did you think he was going to do? Hit people with a shield?

    Why not choose to be in an area where there is less opportunity for violence. And, if there are aggressive actions taking place in the crowd, how about keeping your distance or walking away? Why be at ground zero of a mob?

    Because, as you could see if you watched the video, he was defending innocent people from leftists. He knew that the Berkeley police weren’t going to do their jobs, as they agree with the leftists and would not arrest them. So he had to do so in order to keep the leftists from taking over the area and attacking innocent people, which is something leftists love to do.

    Perhaps the police have been told he or she is not going to prosecute offenders who simply wear masks at a protest march, but you must arrest them when they engage in physical violence.

    Yes. Perhaps. So, if the DA isn’t going to make leftists follow the rule, why should he?

    I’m not a leftist, I’m a moderate. Thanks for playing.

    Actually, I suspect that your IQ is too low for you to have any coherent political beliefs at all. Either way, you really shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

    By the way, dummy. We’ve asked you several times to provide examples of people that the right has used violence to shut down. Are you ever going to do this?

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    @Corvinus
    "Stickman is being prosecuted but the Leftists aren’t."

    Not accurate.

    https://darktriadman.com/2017/04/20/murderous-antifa-with-bike-lock-outed-as-san-francisco-state-university-professor/

    The question is will he be fired?

    That was at a different event than the one where Stickman was arrested for defending innocent people against mindless leftist savages.

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  206. @Reg Cæsar

    Bush’s reasons for attaqing Iraq were as flimsy and fabricated as hypocritical liberals’ reasons for opposing it.
     
    You didn't specify which Bush.

    What did Saddam ever do to Kuwait that Kuwaitis– and Arabs everywhere else– didn't have coming good and hard? (Besides imposing women's suffrage, that is.)

    Hell, we had no business in the Germany-France business either time. It was just the Krauts' payback for previous centuries abuse.

    The Bushes were just the return of Wilson and Roosevelt.

    What did Saddam ever do to Kuwait that Kuwaitis– and Arabs everywhere else– didn’t have coming good and hard?

    Kuwait was a harmless oil prinicipality which deserved no ill treatment from Saddam or anyone else.

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    @Corvinus
    "I agree with you here except that public universities do have an obligation."

    Public universities are the extension of state government. They have a duty to maintain a safe environment, and have to weigh the rights of the individual with the rights of the group. Think about the "safe speech zones" employed by both the Democrats and Republicans at their national conventions. People had the right to assemble, just not close by to the actual place where they held their festivities.

    They have a duty to maintain a safe environment, and have to weigh the rights of the individual with the rights of the group.

    Hard as it may be for you to believe, leftists don’t have a right to riot and set buildings on fire.

    Think about the “safe speech zones” employed by both the Democrats and Republicans at their national conventions. People had the right to assemble, just not close by to the actual place where they held their festivities.

    So, again, if you had an IQ over 85, you’d see that the solution is to rule that leftists don’t have a right to protest anywhere near where intelligent people are speaking, and to arrest any protesters who get close to them.

    But they don’t do this, do they? Instead, they ban the rightists from speaking, and pretend that they really don’t just agree with the leftist savages. This is a lie.

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  208. A description of the group dynamics and leadership at the Battle of Berkeley III, including the likely shot callers:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKRDLKAKUZc

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    @Paul Yarbles

    They have a duty to maintain a safe environment...
     
    This brings us back to my question. When there is a supposed unsafe environment associated with a speaker, who is the speaker? Which way does he or she lean, left or right? Lately, it seems that it is always rightist speakers that correlate with unsafe environments. Why?

    Which way does he or she lean, left or right?

    Watch. I guarantee you Corvinus will come back with “It happens to both sides! Both sides use violence to shut each other down!”, and yet, will be completely unable to come up with an example of the right doing it to the left.

    But it’ll take like a string of four or five comments, back and forth, to make it clear that Corvinus is simply lying, and even then, he’ll never admit it. This is how it always happens.

    It’s weird how they always get so surprised that we’re able to see through their lies. It’s like a kid with chocolate all over his face, astonished that his mom could figure out that he was lying about stealing the cookies.

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  210. @Daniel Chieh
    Out of curiousity, would that make you a Boomer or one of the Greatest Generation?

    Daniel, We are the children of the Greatest Generation, those who survived the Great Depression and WWII. They were admirable people.

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  211. @anon
    I see that stupid sign too when dropping my kid off at school in the rich part of town. Another is, in English, Spanish, and Arabic: "No matter where you come from, I am glad to call you neighbor."

    Easy enough to say where median house price is ~$750k. Strangely, in my neighborhood--on the border of Taliban towers and the Hispanic section 8 housing--those signs are missing.

    anon, not to be a snob, but we live in a prime suburb. In the city of Buffalo you see signs stating: “I leave Peace prints.” Those signs commemorate the murder of Sister Karen Kimiec, a Catholic nun killed by one of the residents at the halfway house she ran for recently released felons.

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  212. @Corvinus
    "Indeed. Your posts are doing a good job of cornering that market."

    Thanks for poisoning the well--targeting a person with the intention of discrediting everything that he says without providing particular examples or offering specific contradictory evidence.

    I’m learning my fallacies from a master. Thanks!

    I’ve given enough particular examples and specific contradictory evidence in response to you in the past that I realize they don’t really help. More fun to snipe from the sidelines (and your posts provide a target rich environment). Your posts do seem to have a bit higher signal to noise ratio (perhaps that should be content to fallacy ratio or content to meaningless rhetoric ratio) these days though. It would be great if you would work on the denominator as well.

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    "I’ve given enough particular examples and specific contradictory evidence in response to you in the past that I realize they don’t really help."

    And I have made the requisite refutations. Thank you for caring.
  213. @Stealth
    Truth, Tiny Duck. I think I'm getting their material mixed up because another commenter once joked that the two could be one and the same. The fact that both begin with capital T doesn't help. That explains it. Apologies to Truth.

    This is classic Truth.

    http://www.unz.com/freed/notes-for-a-white-kid-in-university/#comment-1838078

    Infowars would be proud to have him, but he might be a little too out for them.

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    Infowars would be proud to have him, but he might be a little too out for them.

     

    No shit.
  214. @NOTA
    Pissing off your readers = losing your audience = going out of business. My sense is that a lot of media sources have this tension between three goals:

    a. Telling the story they want to tell.
    b. Not pissing off the readers too much.
    c. Not lying.

    I commonly listen to NPR stories where it's obvious that the reporter is doing his best to not actually lie, while also not bringing up any of the data that would contradict the story he wants to tell. This is how you get those amazing NYT stories where information in the last three paragraphs changes the whole tone of the story.

    The best example of (b) I can think of is the runup to the Iraq war. Lots of news media seem to have decided that anything but patriotic pro-war fervor would piss off their readers/viewers/listeners too much, so they chose their subjectsand sources and wrote their stories accordingly.

    In the months leading up to Iraq Attaq ’03, the NYT’s Judith Miller served as a bullhorn for Ahmed Chalabi’s BS with her exclusive front-page reports about Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction.

    (The NYT sets the national news agenda – not only for other papers, but for the TV networks, as well. So when the NYT gives its imprimatur to reports that Iraq poses an imminent danger to the United States, the rest of the media trumpets these reports loud and often.)

    I was in college at the time, so my thinking was about as liberal as it’s ever been. I followed the buildup to the war with great interest. Miller’s stories helped fuel the frenzy. Every time you looked at a TV, you saw a pundit spewing drivel about the imminent threat of an Iraqi nuclear, biological, and/or chemical attack against the United States and/or its allies. (There was one “ally” that was the main focus of concern. I needn’t name it.)

    I didn’t believe any of it. I already believed that 9/11 was either an inside job or a Pearl Harbor-style “allowed-to-happen” deal, so I had no trouble believing that the Bush administration was lying about Iraq. I didn’t trust the government then and I don’t trust it now.

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  215. @Corvinus
    "Stickman is being prosecuted but the Leftists aren’t."

    Not accurate.

    https://darktriadman.com/2017/04/20/murderous-antifa-with-bike-lock-outed-as-san-francisco-state-university-professor/

    The question is will he be fired?

    Accurate enough. O.K. one guy who bashed people with a bike lock is being prosecuted, I guess. Maybe some others who are among the worst offenders are as well. The point is that the Berkeley cops*, academia, the media, etc. are all conspiring with the Leftists to shut down free speech and attack their opponents all the while making it appear that Trump supporters/right wingers, etc. are to blame. People should never have been allowed to mask, riot, etc. because they didn’t like the results of the election or don’t want someone to speak.

    I wouldn’t get my hopes up about him being fired. 60′s radicals committed acts of terrorism and became university professors.

    *You’ll probably find something to nitpick anyway but I don’t know/don’t care/doesn’t matter if they are university police, city police, or whatever.

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  216. @Reg Cæsar

    it looks like he received an MA from SFSU
     
    More likely a BS from STFU.

    Haha, I can’t LOL, but I saw that one coming, and you were right on it. Nice!

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  217. @res
    I'm learning my fallacies from a master. Thanks!

    I've given enough particular examples and specific contradictory evidence in response to you in the past that I realize they don't really help. More fun to snipe from the sidelines (and your posts provide a target rich environment). Your posts do seem to have a bit higher signal to noise ratio (perhaps that should be content to fallacy ratio or content to meaningless rhetoric ratio) these days though. It would be great if you would work on the denominator as well.

    “I’ve given enough particular examples and specific contradictory evidence in response to you in the past that I realize they don’t really help.”

    And I have made the requisite refutations. Thank you for caring.

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  218. @Daniel Chieh
    This is classic Truth.

    http://www.unz.com/freed/notes-for-a-white-kid-in-university/#comment-1838078

    Infowars would be proud to have him, but he might be a little too out for them.

    Infowars would be proud to have him, but he might be a little too out for them.

    No shit.

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  219. @unpc downunder
    Speaking of lying, I've been watching a lot of clips by You tube poster Bombard's Body Language, who among other things has nailed the Berkeley protester girl that was supposedly assaulted by a right-winger:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-ivwrdrJTU

    She does seem pretty variable in terms of objectivity. On some clips she strives to be objective and avoid overstatement, and other times she throws objectivity out the window. For example, she points out, probably correctly, that Nigel Farage has a high IQ (based on speed of thinking, eye movements etc) but then calls Richard Spencer an aspie idiot who is incapable of reading emotions.

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  220. @Corvinus
    "Do you know of any disorder and chaos-seeking left-wing speakers who were shut down recently by protesters?"

    Considering that universities tend to be liberal, why would they be shut down?

    Fortunately, there's an organization called FIRE (Foundation for Individual Rights in Education) that opposes to the protesting of speakers.

    https://www.thefire.org/resources/disinvitation-database/

    This website tracks whether these protests came from the political Right or the political Left (or neither). The Left protested far more with 197 incidents and 71 successful disinvitations (36%). The Right protested less, with 102 incidents, but it was also far better at canceling events, with 56 successful disinvitations (55%).

    Free speech means that the government may not forbid people from speaking. It does not mean that colleges (or anyone else) has an obligation to let them speak at their institutions. Of course, these restrictions violates the purpose of universities--enable ALL people regardless of their position to exchange their ideas.

    Free speech means that the government may not forbid people from speaking. It does not mean that colleges (or anyone else) has an obligation to let them speak at their institutions. Of course, these restrictions violates the purpose of universities–enable ALL people regardless of their position to exchange their ideas.

    A public university is the government.

    A university whose students get any kind of federal aid must also not forbid people from speaking.

    A speaker needs to sue and take it to the Supreme Court.

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  221. @Dahlia
    Steve,
    I had catalogued the Left-on-Trump violence so well on twitter, and worked hard to get it out, but I've deleted the account. It's my earnest hope that this stays out there. For reasons I don't understand, I was mostly alone on this. Do men just hate thinking about this stuff? I don't know. I thought Cernovich had suddenly saw the wisdom in writing about this, but believe now he wrote what he did recently in reaction to some woman getting punched in Berkeley.

    In all likelihood, I organize it from memory and leave it hear sometime. Off the top of my head the most helpless victims: two under aged-twelve Latina girls who were pepper sprayed; they had to go to the hospital. 14-year-old boy in San Jose who got separated from his dad by the mob. He was punched twice in the head from behind then chased by a mob, some of whom yelled, "kill him!" He was tackled in the end. That boy's assault, bringing his attackers to light, was what got the whole ball rolling on Trump supporters banding together to track down perps at San Jose, and in general, and speak out louder than ever that there was a problem with violence.

    Yours truly, begged people in the MSM to look, even yelled. We all did. There was no help coming. If right wingers and what not are what it takes for order, these people have nobody to blame but themselves. We asked for their help and they turned their backs on us.
    cc: David Weigel
    Still not too late to apologize. $200 of my own money so I could work on that case and with 7 kids, I didn't have that just lying around. You and your friends laughed.

    Hi, do you still have a list of refs for these attacks? Would you mind sharing?

    joe

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  222. @Paul Yarbles

    They have a duty to maintain a safe environment...
     
    This brings us back to my question. When there is a supposed unsafe environment associated with a speaker, who is the speaker? Which way does he or she lean, left or right? Lately, it seems that it is always rightist speakers that correlate with unsafe environments. Why?

    “This brings us back to my question. When there is a supposed unsafe environment associated with a speaker, who is the speaker? Which way does he or she lean, left or right? Lately, it seems that it is always rightist speakers that correlate with unsafe environments. Why?”

    It has been controversial rightist speakers lately whose appearances tend to bring out those radicals left and right who seek retribution through violence. College campuses for a host of reasons are woefully inconsistent in their mission statement.

    http://time.com/4530197/college-free-speech-zone/

    But law enforcement will not intervene until the masked culprits left or right initiate violence. Even then, that person or group may not be arrested. Laws on the books ought to be enforced, especially the anti-mask protest statute–it is illegal for those attending a rally to conceal their identity.

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    But law enforcement will not intervene until the masked culprits left or right initiate violence.

    There are no 'masked culprits right'. There haven't been any culprits right since the imbroglio at Ole Miss in 1962.
  223. @Corvinus
    "This brings us back to my question. When there is a supposed unsafe environment associated with a speaker, who is the speaker? Which way does he or she lean, left or right? Lately, it seems that it is always rightist speakers that correlate with unsafe environments. Why?"

    It has been controversial rightist speakers lately whose appearances tend to bring out those radicals left and right who seek retribution through violence. College campuses for a host of reasons are woefully inconsistent in their mission statement.

    http://time.com/4530197/college-free-speech-zone/

    But law enforcement will not intervene until the masked culprits left or right initiate violence. Even then, that person or group may not be arrested. Laws on the books ought to be enforced, especially the anti-mask protest statute--it is illegal for those attending a rally to conceal their identity.

    But law enforcement will not intervene until the masked culprits left or right initiate violence.

    There are no ‘masked culprits right’. There haven’t been any culprits right since the imbroglio at Ole Miss in 1962.

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    "There are no ‘masked culprits right’. There haven’t been any culprits right since the imbroglio at Ole Miss in 1962."

    Stickman is a masked culprit right.
  224. @Art Deco
    But law enforcement will not intervene until the masked culprits left or right initiate violence.

    There are no 'masked culprits right'. There haven't been any culprits right since the imbroglio at Ole Miss in 1962.

    “There are no ‘masked culprits right’. There haven’t been any culprits right since the imbroglio at Ole Miss in 1962.”

    Stickman is a masked culprit right.

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  225. […] attacked the helpless anarchists, then you better check your sources. New York Times and CBS, lied about the chain of events. TYT did the same […]

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