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On November 19th, Rolling Stone posted “A Rape on Campus: A Brutal Assault and Search for Justice at UVA” to immense acclaim.

On November 24th, veteran editor Richard Bradley asked on his personal blog Shots in the DarkIs the Rolling Stone Story True?

Below are the only comments made on Bradley’s post before I linked to his post on November 29th, after which the floodgates opened.

351 Responses

  • Steve Sailer 11/25/2014 6:25 am
    Wouldn’t the rapists get cut by the broken glass all over the floor, too? I guess they were such sex-crazed animals that they didn’t notice the glass cutting their hands and knees for the first three hours.
  • Steve Sailer 11/25/2014 6:51 am
    Perhaps this media furor about UVA has something to do with the murder of UVA coed Hanna Graham in September? With all the recent news stories of bad behavior against women by black men, such as Bill Cosby, Ray Rice, and the suspect in the Graham murder, there’s a real hunger right now for a tale of evil white men. That doesn’t mean this Rolling Stone story isn’t completely true; but, like you say, it sure complies with current prejudices far better than most of the recent stories of women being abused by men.
  • Steve Sailer 11/25/2014 7:57 am
    So this is a pre-planned, traditional annual fraternity initiation gang-rape, with two older fraternity brothers coaching the seven pledges but not partaking themselves? Yet, it doesn’t seem very well organized at all, such as leaving a glass table in the middle of the room to immediately fall over and smash. And the pitch darkness — or at least it’s dark enough so nobody can see where the glass table is, but not so dark that the poor victim can’t recognize her assailant from anthropology class — seems odd, too. Don’t these animalistic rapists want to watch? Presumably, the pitch darkness is to prevent the victim from identifying her assailants, but she can already identify the ringleader Drew. And how many pledges are there at this fraternity anyway? Seven? Then what good does darkness do to cloud their identities? Or say there are twelve pledges. Even if the victim couldn’t identify any (besides Drew) isn’t there a lot of worry that the police would just arrest all twelve and wait for one or two of the five who weren’t rapists to get cold feet and ID the real perps in return for immunity?
  • Steve Sailer 11/25/2014 11:14 am
    A problem with the plausibility of the story is the source’s insistence that she was sober and remembers every detail accurately. Relax that constraint and the story would seem less unlikely because inconsistent or improbable details could be chalked up to alcohol fog.
  • Steve Sailer 11/27/2014 4:20 am
    Sorry to keep coming back to this, but I’ve done some more thinking and here’s where the story falls apart: pitch darkness _and_ broken glass on the floor. The glass table is smashed, but nobody turns on the light to see what happened or where the broken glass is? Instead, each man, having heard the glass table get smashed, still gets down on the floor covered with shards of broken glass, risking not only his hands and knees, but also pulling out an even more personal part of his anatomy, one that he only has one of. Really?

Then, my readers followed up with numerous insightful comments on Bradley’s blog on November 29th and 30th. On December 1st, articles started appearing citing Bradley’s post in places like Reason, the WSJ, and Jonah Goldberg’s column in the L.A. Times.

From December 2nd, onward, the Washington Post took the lead, actually doing new shoe leather reporting. The New York Times, however, published only one wishy-washy story about doubts, then on December 4th published a long article on the supposed rape culture crisis on campus and in the military, credulously citing the Rolling Stone story repeatedly.

Today, Rolling Stone has apologized for the article and the Washington Post has much new reporting about it.

So score one for the WaPo over the NYT.

And here’s my Taki’s Magazine article from earlier this week “A Rape Hoax for Book Lovers.”

 
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  1. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Steve — You mentioned the story in a comment on your blog at some point after you posted those comments at his blog. I was quite interested in the story so I followed the link you gave and was very pleased with what I saw. I am quite proud of my BS detector and since it wailed so loudly when I first read the story I was quite interested in making sure that it was in fact it was correctly tuned.

    Thanks for pushing this — you made quite a difference. My youngest son is blonde and I hardly want him being profiled as a rapist in such a facile fashion.

  2. Bravo, Steve.

    Two weeks ago I went to Barnes & Noble and actually bought Rolling Stone for the first time since I subscribed to read Tom Wolfe’s Bonfire of the Vanities in its serialized form. I read the story and thought it was incredible. But I live in Virginia and have an 11th grader daughter who is in the 99th percentile and might be on her way to UVA in two years. (I’ve also been following the Hannah Graham story very closely.) Those facts just put me too close to scrutinize properly.

    Thanks for your skepticism.

  3. You’re looking for props, and they are fully deserved. Well done.

  4. You the man Steve! It’s all in the power of noticing.

    Of course the media will still tell us this is a teachable moment and the real issue is to discuss how white men are vicious gang rapists.

    But the real story is about how eager the media is to slander white men as rapists when given the slightest excuse. Or as murderers, as with Officer Wilson and George Zimmerman.

  5. The trail of infection was Bradley–>iSteve–>MSM, but how did you come across Bradley’s blog post, Steve?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    As I said in my Taki's piece, a reader emailed me a link to it on November 24th. If that reader would like to be identified by name, please contact me. In fact, I'll send him or her an email now asking if he or she would like credit.

    My policy is to not reveal the names of email correspondents without their explicit permission.

    , @Steve Sailer
    I just asked the reader who emailed me the link on November 24th, and he replied:

    "Very much appreciate the offer. As alluded to in your parentheses I would certainly NOT want my name mentioned as I would like my wife and kids to live past their life expectancy.

    "Thanks a lot again. I would call what's happened in the last couple hours an incredible ending but this thing is far from over... In fact I'd say it's just begun.

    "Have a good weekend."

    There may be others who emailed me the link, too, or included it in comments. My thanks to all of you as well.

  6. @P
    The trail of infection was Bradley-->iSteve-->MSM, but how did you come across Bradley's blog post, Steve?

    As I said in my Taki’s piece, a reader emailed me a link to it on November 24th. If that reader would like to be identified by name, please contact me. In fact, I’ll send him or her an email now asking if he or she would like credit.

    My policy is to not reveal the names of email correspondents without their explicit permission.

  7. If only this process could always be applied to “things that are not to be questioned”…

    Maybe we could live in a world where reasoning is applied, questions are asked, and facts must support claims. Maybe this process could even be taught in schools. Maybe this could lead to great discoveries and an end to superstition and mob rule. Maybe this method could be called “science”!

    …Nah!

  8. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    There is absolutely nothing, no matter how grotesque and unbelievable, that the Rubin-Erdelys living in our country will not try to pin on young white male Gentiles. And this is particularly true for “privileged” Gentiles like fraternity brothers.

    Go back and re-read the RS article. The sheer hatefulness is gob-smacking. There is this seething, barely trammeled rage simmering right under the surface. It reads like a Der Sturmer article.

    I just don’t get it. They could leave at any time. They have a whole ‘nother country they could move to. So why don’t they? Why don’t they make aliyah and “rise up” from the degradation of Exile here in our land?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Eric Cantor's sons belonged to the wrongly accused fraternity.
    , @Ripple Earthdevil
    Because to these true-believing Jewish progressives Israel is a macho fratboy country and the Palestinians their rape victims.
  9. And the slut-shaming continues. Surprise surprise

    • Replies: @D. K.
    Who is the "slut" to whom you are referring, Ms. Carmack?
  10. @P
    The trail of infection was Bradley-->iSteve-->MSM, but how did you come across Bradley's blog post, Steve?

    I just asked the reader who emailed me the link on November 24th, and he replied:

    “Very much appreciate the offer. As alluded to in your parentheses I would certainly NOT want my name mentioned as I would like my wife and kids to live past their life expectancy.

    “Thanks a lot again. I would call what’s happened in the last couple hours an incredible ending but this thing is far from over… In fact I’d say it’s just begun.

    “Have a good weekend.”

    There may be others who emailed me the link, too, or included it in comments. My thanks to all of you as well.

  11. This whole story really illustrated to me the power of social pressure and what the “respectable” media tell us to believe. All along, the story was bogus, or at least grossly exaggerated, but as long as all the respectable reporters and commentators were supporting it and the only critics were a couple of bloggers and internet commentators, part of me felt kind of dirty for being skeptical. All the major media was saying, or implying, that you were a really bad, shitty person if you doubted the story, and it’s hard not to internalize that feeling a little bit.

    Now, thankfully, enough of the respectable media has been convinced by the problems in the story, so now it feels OK to doubt it, simply because our respected leaders approve of our skepticism. This has just put me off reading the respectable news completely. I don’t trust any mainstream source now to tell me what’s really going on (I know I’m kind of late to the game and should have learned my lesson after the Iraq WMD debacle, if not before). I want to avoid having my view of the world molded and shaped by whatever our elite deigns to allow us to think.

  12. On the Daily Caller someone has coined the phrase “rape shopping.”

  13. Erdely failed to take into account that UVA is a place of personal interest for WaPo’s local market; it runs stories about the goings on there all the time. If she had set her story somewhere less connected to Washington, then WaPo wouldn’t have investigated either.

    • Replies: @Andrew Jackson
    Should've went with Vanderbilt. Maybe Duke?
  14. There were a few people who had independently noticed that there was something seriously wrong with the story and had posted something about it.

    Somebody of the name Joseph Bishop did so as well, who also included a link in comment on Richard Bradley’s blog about it.

    http://groundreport.com/explosive-allegations-of-sexual-assault-at-uva-but-are-they-true/

    For what it’s worth, I had at about the same time brought up my own skepticism on the point on a comment thread in the NY Times — but of course it was basically dismissed by other commenters at the time. A rebuttal to my comment was made a NY Times pick. (Of course, anyone with a brain realizes that a NY Times pick is an almost certain sign that a comment is not saying anything interesting and true.)

    I commented under the pseudonym “frankly0”:

    http://op-talk.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/11/21/does-the-university-of-virginia-have-a-culture-of-silence-around-sexual-assault/?comments#permid=13423560

    Of course the skepticism went nowhere at the time.

    Given the sequence of events, it’s clear Steve drove the wider attention to the skepticism. Looks like this is the best place to comment to get an effect. Who knew?

    Obviously, congrats to Richard Bradley on a courageous job well done. But obviously as well congrats to Steve — you too are the man, even if you are the invisible man.

  15. @John Mansfield
    Erdely failed to take into account that UVA is a place of personal interest for WaPo's local market; it runs stories about the goings on there all the time. If she had set her story somewhere less connected to Washington, then WaPo wouldn't have investigated either.

    Should’ve went with Vanderbilt. Maybe Duke?

  16. Is your hand sore from patting yourself on the back? I jest, you deserve the praise (as does the reader who tipped you off to it), but why wait five days to link the Bradley piece? Your diligence was rewarded–it gave you time to think about the events and ask the appropriate questions–but it also provided evidence that you have media influence. Were you predicting the influence you had when you first linked to Bradley–and wanted to validate your influence–or are you pleasantly surprised by all this?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "but why wait five days to link the Bradley piece?"

    Because I didn't want to mislead my readers in case the suspicions of Bradley and myself were wrong. I posted five comments on Bradley's post, half-expecting responses to appear shooting them down, but just cricket chirps.

    I mulled it over for a few days and finally got up the confidence to pull the trigger.

  17. @GW
    Is your hand sore from patting yourself on the back? I jest, you deserve the praise (as does the reader who tipped you off to it), but why wait five days to link the Bradley piece? Your diligence was rewarded--it gave you time to think about the events and ask the appropriate questions--but it also provided evidence that you have media influence. Were you predicting the influence you had when you first linked to Bradley--and wanted to validate your influence--or are you pleasantly surprised by all this?

    “but why wait five days to link the Bradley piece?”

    Because I didn’t want to mislead my readers in case the suspicions of Bradley and myself were wrong. I posted five comments on Bradley’s post, half-expecting responses to appear shooting them down, but just cricket chirps.

    I mulled it over for a few days and finally got up the confidence to pull the trigger.

    • Replies: @GW
    Well your prudence was justified, no doubt, and it also allowed you definitive proof that your blog has influence.

    The saying about a lie getting half-way around the world before the truth can put its shoes on has been brought up quite a bit in reference to this story. But when it gets moving, it can pick up speed exponentially and overtake the lie. Kudos to Bradley, Reason, and yourself for getting the ball rolling.
  18. @Anonymous
    There is absolutely nothing, no matter how grotesque and unbelievable, that the Rubin-Erdelys living in our country will not try to pin on young white male Gentiles. And this is particularly true for "privileged" Gentiles like fraternity brothers.

    Go back and re-read the RS article. The sheer hatefulness is gob-smacking. There is this seething, barely trammeled rage simmering right under the surface. It reads like a Der Sturmer article.

    I just don't get it. They could leave at any time. They have a whole 'nother country they could move to. So why don't they? Why don't they make aliyah and "rise up" from the degradation of Exile here in our land?

    Eric Cantor’s sons belonged to the wrongly accused fraternity.

  19. @Anonymous
    And the slut-shaming continues. Surprise surprise

    Who is the “slut” to whom you are referring, Ms. Carmack?

  20. Too bad the talking heads on FOX’s The Five didn’t credit you when they did the sanitized version of this story today. Identity of black rapists under wraps.

  21. I’m beginning to think that if the media world were a high school, Steve would be the campus drug dealer: Everybody knows who he is, and everybody, even the honor students — heck, even the teachers — goes to him to get some killer weed or mind-blowing LSD or the sickest new club drug.

    But publicly, everybody pretends he’s a ghost. “Steve who? Nope, never heard of him. He’s not in any of my classes…”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Mr. Blank says:

    "I’m beginning to think that if the media world were a high school, Steve would be the campus drug dealer: Everybody knows who he is, and everybody, even the honor students — heck, even the teachers — goes to him to get some killer weed or mind-blowing LSD or the sickest new club drug.

    "But publicly, everybody pretends he’s a ghost. “Steve who? Nope, never heard of him. He’s not in any of my classes…”"

    Interesting analogy ... except it would be like the drugs were in the water coming out of the high school drinking fountains and you went to me to get a quart of pure water so you could experiment with reality for a little while.
  22. http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/8194-rapes-that-didnt-happen-dot-txt/

    Here is a thread started on November 20th expressing, uh, some skepticism about the story. MPC is a less likely patient zero than Mr. Sailer, admittedly, because Steve is generally careful and circumspect when dealing with politically charged topics, while MPC differs from a stock hate-filled neo-Nazi stereotype mainly by having more strongly-held opinions about anime. Another way of saying this is that, when dealing with the modern American media, being careful and circumspect is much like being an insane neo-Nazi nerd, only slower.

    • Replies: @gu
    Referring to MPC as nerds while commenting on isteve. Now that's rich.
  23. Now now, the heroes at MPC had this thing pegged on Nov. 20. Granted, I do not imagine they have a wide audience, but that’s still very early.

  24. The New York Times has a story on this now:
    Rolling Stone Cites Doubts on Its Story of UVA Rape
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/06/us/rolling-stone-re-examines-its-account-of-virginia-rape.html?_r=0

    That story was at the top of my Google News page without my typing in any search terms. I assume that means it’s “trending” on its own in some way.

  25. Erin Keane over at Salon is now moving on to the next great white defendant rape cases

    Rape victims and their advocates stand to lose the most from this development, especially on campuses, where sexual assaults are underreported and often dismissed by officials as trivial morning-after regrets. Jackie’s story resonated for a reason — cases like those in Steubenville, Ohio, and Norman, Oklahoma, where photo and video evidence of rape circulated through text messages and social media forced small conservative communities to act instead of cover up these crimes, and the mounting evidence against celebrities like Bill Cosby and Jian Ghomeshi accused of sexual assault, have helped tip momentum toward presumed credibility for people who step forward with stories of sexual assault. This could have been the year the myth of the “girl who cried rape” was relegated to the statistical improbability pile where it belonged. Instead, the assumed credibility of all victims, not just Rolling Stone’s, is likely to take a hit.

    http://www.salon.com/2014/12/05/rolling_stones_uva_disaster_why_this_story_is_a_brutal_setback_for_women/

    Erin Keane is referring to this case in Norman Ok.

    Is this case really a rape or just a major case of teenage high school male idiocy?
    http://jezebel.com/after-protest-alleged-serial-rapist-teen-arrested-in-n-1665787711
    http://rt.com/usa/211207-oklahoma-protest-student-rape/
    http://www.sunherald.com/2014/12/03/5948023/suspect-in-oklahoma-rape-case.html
    http://www.people.com/article/arrest-rape-oklahoma-norman-yes-all-daughters

    Here is the Steubenville case referred to in the article.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steubenville_High_School_rape_case#Trial_and_sentencing

    Hard to imagine what it is like to live as a teenager when any idiot can video your drunken sexual missteps.

  26. I would just like to point out that there is at least one other person commenting on here as John Doe. I’ve been commenting as John Doe for a few years here. I can’t claim any sort of originality or claim it as my own (the point is to be anonymous), but if you click on a screen name for history of comments, it may be several different people.

    • Replies: @SFG
    You could stick a number on it--'John Doe 42' or whatever.

    Technically it's pretty easy to impersonate someone on here--I think it would be pretty amusing if me and, say, Svigor switched pseudonyms for a little while and waited to see how long it took people to notice (I did this with a semi-nemesis of mine on a chatboard ages ago)--but that's the price you pay for anonymity.
  27. @John Doe
    I would just like to point out that there is at least one other person commenting on here as John Doe. I've been commenting as John Doe for a few years here. I can't claim any sort of originality or claim it as my own (the point is to be anonymous), but if you click on a screen name for history of comments, it may be several different people.

    You could stick a number on it–‘John Doe 42’ or whatever.

    Technically it’s pretty easy to impersonate someone on here–I think it would be pretty amusing if me and, say, Svigor switched pseudonyms for a little while and waited to see how long it took people to notice (I did this with a semi-nemesis of mine on a chatboard ages ago)–but that’s the price you pay for anonymity.

  28. @Anonymous
    There is absolutely nothing, no matter how grotesque and unbelievable, that the Rubin-Erdelys living in our country will not try to pin on young white male Gentiles. And this is particularly true for "privileged" Gentiles like fraternity brothers.

    Go back and re-read the RS article. The sheer hatefulness is gob-smacking. There is this seething, barely trammeled rage simmering right under the surface. It reads like a Der Sturmer article.

    I just don't get it. They could leave at any time. They have a whole 'nother country they could move to. So why don't they? Why don't they make aliyah and "rise up" from the degradation of Exile here in our land?

    Because to these true-believing Jewish progressives Israel is a macho fratboy country and the Palestinians their rape victims.

  29. Well done Steve. I was nervous that you had taken too big a risk by calling this but am happy to see that you were right for your sake.

    (BTW let’s not be so partisan as to forget that it is also good news that things are not as risky for coeds on American campuses as slate/jezebel/salon/pharyngula portray. Some people at these outlets ought to be reminded that it is actually for the best that frat boys did not gang rape this girl).

    Why do so many of these campus hoaxes turn out to be false ? As you have written before, with 300 + million americans, there ought to be plenty of stories out there that reinforce the social justice warriors narrative. There ought to be a fair number of frat rapes out there, even if you think that fraternities are harmless just given the numbers. Is is because SJW need a “perfect” example of patriarchal violence for hate crimes to qualify as causes and real life always provides ambiguous details ?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "I was nervous that you had taken too big a risk by calling this but am happy to see that you were right for your sake."

    I was nervous, too. I don't want to mislead my readers.

  30. @AKAHorace
    Well done Steve. I was nervous that you had taken too big a risk by calling this but am happy to see that you were right for your sake.

    (BTW let's not be so partisan as to forget that it is also good news that things are not as risky for coeds on American campuses as slate/jezebel/salon/pharyngula portray. Some people at these outlets ought to be reminded that it is actually for the best that frat boys did not gang rape this girl).

    Why do so many of these campus hoaxes turn out to be false ? As you have written before, with 300 + million americans, there ought to be plenty of stories out there that reinforce the social justice warriors narrative. There ought to be a fair number of frat rapes out there, even if you think that fraternities are harmless just given the numbers. Is is because SJW need a "perfect" example of patriarchal violence for hate crimes to qualify as causes and real life always provides ambiguous details ?

    “I was nervous that you had taken too big a risk by calling this but am happy to see that you were right for your sake.”

    I was nervous, too. I don’t want to mislead my readers.

  31. Congratulations, Steve. Your digging and clear-headed insight prevailed against the odds.

    I write this at Social Matter on Nov. 24 after reading an article at WaPo:

    “I can’t believe the latest attacks on fraternities. We are either producing large numbers of psychopaths or there is a concerted effort to make white men permanent scapegoats. The narrative now is that date rape always happened and “we” i.e., white men ignored it. This is evil and insane slander.

    – See more at: http://www.socialmatter.net/2014/11/24/let-eat-grape-salad/#sthash.HLGmxGrY.dpuf

    Its really worse than you think. The WaPo article implied through innuendo that white men have always been rapists but thanks to the moral clarity of modern progressivism they can now be discovered and punished.

    White men better get their act together or its dhimmitude here we come.

  32. @Steve Sailer
    "but why wait five days to link the Bradley piece?"

    Because I didn't want to mislead my readers in case the suspicions of Bradley and myself were wrong. I posted five comments on Bradley's post, half-expecting responses to appear shooting them down, but just cricket chirps.

    I mulled it over for a few days and finally got up the confidence to pull the trigger.

    Well your prudence was justified, no doubt, and it also allowed you definitive proof that your blog has influence.

    The saying about a lie getting half-way around the world before the truth can put its shoes on has been brought up quite a bit in reference to this story. But when it gets moving, it can pick up speed exponentially and overtake the lie. Kudos to Bradley, Reason, and yourself for getting the ball rolling.

  33. @Don't drone me bro!
    http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/8194-rapes-that-didnt-happen-dot-txt/

    Here is a thread started on November 20th expressing, uh, some skepticism about the story. MPC is a less likely patient zero than Mr. Sailer, admittedly, because Steve is generally careful and circumspect when dealing with politically charged topics, while MPC differs from a stock hate-filled neo-Nazi stereotype mainly by having more strongly-held opinions about anime. Another way of saying this is that, when dealing with the modern American media, being careful and circumspect is much like being an insane neo-Nazi nerd, only slower.

    Referring to MPC as nerds while commenting on isteve. Now that’s rich.

    • Replies: @Don't drone me bro!
    *Defends the besmirched honor of a spin-off of a spin-off of a spin-off of ur-nürd board Something Awful by implying that comments on iSteve are nerdier, in a comment on iSteve.*

    *pops collar, drops aviator shades, peels out with head cheerleader in candy apple red Camero, licence plate: NRD PWNER*
  34. Great job, Steve.

    FWIW, here’s a Tweet I just ran across:

    Sean Woods, who edited the UVA rape story, will remain with Rolling Stone, a spokesperson tells me. (fixed typo)— Andrew Beaujon (@abeaujon) December 5, 2014

  35. @gu
    Referring to MPC as nerds while commenting on isteve. Now that's rich.

    *Defends the besmirched honor of a spin-off of a spin-off of a spin-off of ur-nürd board Something Awful by implying that comments on iSteve are nerdier, in a comment on iSteve.*

    *pops collar, drops aviator shades, peels out with head cheerleader in candy apple red Camero, licence plate: NRD PWNER*

    • Replies: @gu
    Well let me put it like this: referring to MPC as nerds is like referring to the Nazis as Jews. Nobody hates nerds more than those guys and they seem fairly unnerdy. As opposed to readers here.
  36. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    As early as November 23rd, 2014 (possibly earlier) several reddit commentors from certain reddit communities, effectively just anonymous random citizens, expressed well-reasoned doubts about such false rape accusations. See r/TheRedPill and r/PurplePillDebate. Though of course Mr. Bradley’s article was rather thorough and that and the attention he got from other media sources is likely independent.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    Yeah, I think that what Bradley offered in particular was a sharp eye for the strictly journalistic failings of the article. That made his criticisms hard to ignore by other journalists, once they got some attention.

    It would be interesting to compile some of the early criticisms of the article. There seem to have been a number--if a too small number--of people who independently found it incredible.

    It is rather telling, though, how few of them seem to have been journalists, who, one would think, would be the ones in the best position to see its flaws.

  37. josh says:

    To be fair, we don’t know when the WaPo started fact checking this story. My BS meter started going off when I first heard about this, as did yours, as did many readers. Quite possibly there are sane people employed at the WaPo who might actually enjoy making the NYT look like fools.

  38. @Don't drone me bro!
    *Defends the besmirched honor of a spin-off of a spin-off of a spin-off of ur-nürd board Something Awful by implying that comments on iSteve are nerdier, in a comment on iSteve.*

    *pops collar, drops aviator shades, peels out with head cheerleader in candy apple red Camero, licence plate: NRD PWNER*

    Well let me put it like this: referring to MPC as nerds is like referring to the Nazis as Jews. Nobody hates nerds more than those guys and they seem fairly unnerdy. As opposed to readers here.

    • Replies: @Don't drone me bro!
    Nobody spends hours a day on the internet for c. a decade pointing out that that they aren't nerds and, quite the contrary, don't like nerds at all, except for insecure self-hating nerds. Make a list, of any length, of cool chill bros: none of them ever do this. Posting on the internet is a nerdy hobby for big nerdy nerds, deal with it dot gif, own it and let's move on because this argument is too dorky for anyone. But whatever their issues MPC nailed this one, which is to their credit and/or the "respectable" media's eternal discredit.
  39. There is absolutely nothing, no matter how grotesque and unbelievable, that the Rubin-Erdelys living in our country will not try to pin on young white male Gentiles. And this is particularly true for “privileged” Gentiles like fraternity brothers.

    Go back and re-read the RS article. The sheer hatefulness is gob-smacking. There is this seething, barely trammeled rage simmering right under the surface. It reads like a Der Sturmer article.

    I just don’t get it. They could leave at any time. They have a whole ‘nother country they could move to. So why don’t they? Why don’t they make aliyah and “rise up” from the degradation of Exile here in our land?

    The capable ones prefer to live among the freiers/heathens. They know it’s much more profitable than living in a country run by and for own kind. Which is odd behavior for a Master Race. And as long as they’re living in a country that they can only run via soft power, well, it’s not their shit they’re breaking. The number of white countries they’ve Judeoformed into believing that Jews have inalienable access and freedom is almost equal to the number of white countries, so alternatives abound.

    Technically it’s pretty easy to impersonate someone on here–I think it would be pretty amusing if me and, say, Svigor switched pseudonyms for a little while and waited to see how long it took people to notice (I did this with a semi-nemesis of mine on a chatboard ages ago)–but that’s the price you pay for anonymity.

    I keep tellin ya I wouldn’t kick you out of my foxhole, and what thanks do I get? Can’t we all just semi-get along?

    Because to these true-believing Jewish progressives Israel is a macho fratboy country and the Palestinians their rape victims.

    A stopped clock is right twice a day.

    White men better get their act together or its dhimmitude here we come.

    There’s always an inflection point lurking. Unfortunately, I think it’s closer to “three hots and a cots” than we’d prefer.

  40. @Anonymous
    As early as November 23rd, 2014 (possibly earlier) several reddit commentors from certain reddit communities, effectively just anonymous random citizens, expressed well-reasoned doubts about such false rape accusations. See r/TheRedPill and r/PurplePillDebate. Though of course Mr. Bradley's article was rather thorough and that and the attention he got from other media sources is likely independent.

    Yeah, I think that what Bradley offered in particular was a sharp eye for the strictly journalistic failings of the article. That made his criticisms hard to ignore by other journalists, once they got some attention.

    It would be interesting to compile some of the early criticisms of the article. There seem to have been a number–if a too small number–of people who independently found it incredible.

    It is rather telling, though, how few of them seem to have been journalists, who, one would think, would be the ones in the best position to see its flaws.

  41. There’s some really funny stuff on that MPC page.

    😆 And then the Dave Matthews Band poster on the wall fell down, revealing a swastika.

    That one had me howling.

    And morons (trolls) here occasionally talk about how libs have a natural monopoly on funny, how comedy is liberal because that’s what’s funny, etc. What a bunch of horseshit.

  42. It is rather telling, though, how few of them seem to have been journalists, who, one would think, would be the ones in the best position to see its flaws.

    Paid liars are great at spotting lies. Exposing them? Not so much.

  43. @gu
    Well let me put it like this: referring to MPC as nerds is like referring to the Nazis as Jews. Nobody hates nerds more than those guys and they seem fairly unnerdy. As opposed to readers here.

    Nobody spends hours a day on the internet for c. a decade pointing out that that they aren’t nerds and, quite the contrary, don’t like nerds at all, except for insecure self-hating nerds. Make a list, of any length, of cool chill bros: none of them ever do this. Posting on the internet is a nerdy hobby for big nerdy nerds, deal with it dot gif, own it and let’s move on because this argument is too dorky for anyone. But whatever their issues MPC nailed this one, which is to their credit and/or the “respectable” media’s eternal discredit.

  44. @Mr. Blank
    I'm beginning to think that if the media world were a high school, Steve would be the campus drug dealer: Everybody knows who he is, and everybody, even the honor students — heck, even the teachers — goes to him to get some killer weed or mind-blowing LSD or the sickest new club drug.

    But publicly, everybody pretends he's a ghost. "Steve who? Nope, never heard of him. He's not in any of my classes..."

    Mr. Blank says:

    “I’m beginning to think that if the media world were a high school, Steve would be the campus drug dealer: Everybody knows who he is, and everybody, even the honor students — heck, even the teachers — goes to him to get some killer weed or mind-blowing LSD or the sickest new club drug.

    “But publicly, everybody pretends he’s a ghost. “Steve who? Nope, never heard of him. He’s not in any of my classes…””

    Interesting analogy … except it would be like the drugs were in the water coming out of the high school drinking fountains and you went to me to get a quart of pure water so you could experiment with reality for a little while.

  45. Steve, credit should also be given to Pleasureman, over at his MyPostingCareer (a forum whose members are mostly iSteve readers). On November 20th, he was calling out the ridiculousness of it all:

    http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/8194-rapes-that-didnt-happen-dot-txt/

  46. Steve

    For those of us who have been in fraternities there is another “tell” in this hoax. No fraternity ever, anywhere, has had a glass topped table as an article of furniture in their house.

    The RS article was poorly written fiction. A liar almost always adds a detail or two too many.

    The word “gull” needs to come back into common usage. And “gullified.”

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