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Commenter Anonymous points out:

The issue with power posing or any kind of body language tricks is that it provokes a response from other people. It doesn’t happen in a vacuum. How one responds to other people’s responses to one’s body language is just as important.

There was that famous bit from the Gore Bush debate in 2000 where Gore tried a kind of power pose approach to intimidate Bush. Bush responded with a dismissive nod that evoked a laugh from the audience at Gore’s stiff and wooden attempt at an intimidating power pose. Gore gets clearly flustered by this and responds with a nervous smile and by asking Bush, “What about the Dingle-Norwood bill?”, which completely deflates the confident, intimidating power look he was going for.

I presumed that the commenter couldn’t remember the precise name of the bill, so he just made up “the Dingle-Norwood Bill.” But no, that’s what poor Al said.

#147 of the Rules of Power Posing is don’t try to pull it off against a cocky son-of-a-gun like George W. Bush if the next thing out of your mouth is going to be “What about the Dingle-Norwood Bill?”

I presume Al Gore was referring to Congressman John Ding ell, but it sure sounded like Dingle. And Norwood is a pretty comic name, too, reminiscent of O.J. Simpson’s character Nordberg in The Naked Gun and Nerdlinger. Here’s a Norwood of the Nineties:

The great thing about the 2000 election is that it was so close that any assertion I want to make about what cost Gore the election can’t be wholly disproven. (I noticed that when I got a press release from a Sikh-American political action committee arguing that Gore endorsing motorcycle helmets laws — Sikhs love motorcycles and hate helmet laws because of their sacred turbans — had cost Gore victory, and their math wasn’t totally implausible.)

2016 wasn’t quite as close, but it was close enough that the New York Times likes to go around repeating the assertion that $4,500 in Russian Google ads stole the election, and its subscribers nod in agreement.

 
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  1. Flip says:

    I think Governor Jeb! Bush purging the voter rolls in FL made all the difference.

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    "Purging the voter rolls" means, of course, "enforcing the law." Of course, Democrats don't see the need for such an archaic, reactionary practice, unless some sort of political point can be scored.
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  2. My favorite 2000 election outcome cause is how poorly designed ballots led to isolationist Pat Buchanan stealing a couple thousand votes from liberal internationalist Al Gore, thus leading to neoconservative George W. Bush’s ascension to the presidency. Without Buchanan running his America First third-party campaign in the 2000 election, there wouldn’t have been an Iraq War!

    More fun trivia: Pat Buchanan won the 2000 Reform Party nomination against a certain New York real-estate developer, who would go on try his hand at electoral politics again over a decade later…

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    • Replies: @bartok

    Without Buchanan running his America First third-party campaign in the 2000 election, there wouldn’t have been an Iraq War!
     
    This is an absurd hypothetical. Of course there would have been an Iraq War, 9/11 or no, Bush or Gore.
    For the same reason that there will be an Iran War in our near future: Netanyahu & co. desire it and will have it.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    I remember in Palm Beach County, lots of elderly Jews accidentally voted for Pat Buchanan because they misunderstood the Butterfly ballot. A lot of them were horrified when they found out.

    Remember all the time they spent arguing about dimpled chads, hanging chads, etc?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_qxKIS9d0I

    No major Florida law firms wouldn't represent Gore because they were worried Governor Jeb Bush would deny them state contracts.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dhE8oYFD2E
    , @Langley
    La Griffe du Lion claims that more Floridians voted Democrat than Republican in 2000.

    The problem was that the Democrat elites had made the "butterfly" ballots too complicated for their base who invalidated their votes.

    http://lagriffedulion.f2s.com/elec2000.htm
    , @AndrewR
    Bartok is right. How can you claim that President Gore wouldn't have sought to "liberate" Iraq?
    , @Travis
    Senator Gore fully supported the First Gulf War.
    He was one of just 10 Democrats who voted for The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution . The other 46 Democrats in the Senate voted against the invasion.

    So we can thank Gore for the first Gulf War, along with most of the GOP senators.

    During the Clinton Administration they continued to wage war against Iraq, dropping more cruise missiles on the Iraqi people than we did during the entire Gulf War. AL Gore fully supported this bombing campaign and the other wars Clinton waged, which is one reason George W. Bush was able to defeat al Gore, by promising to reduce foreign military interventions.

    Gore may well have invaded more than just Iraq and Afghanistan and put sanctions on Saudi Arabia after 9/11 and pulled a Jimmy Carter by banning Saudi and Afghan Immigrants from entering America.
    , @anonguy
    The fact that Pat Buchanan was the best the "paleo" conservatives could offer up is proof that it was a spent movement.

    He was just some loudmouth draft-dodging journalist. Why was he the standard bearer? It wasn't like his blood/soil America stuff was hardly unique or novel.

    With heroes like Pat, the traditional right didn't need enemies.

    What a putz. I wonder if he has made any "settlements" with NDA's.
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  3. With Trump lurking in the background, his second debate with Hillary looked like an old soap opera or stage play directed for television. It felt surreal watching it live, when he’d just pulled that righteous stunt with the Clinton rape victims. Now there was some body language.

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    • Replies: @e
    Cognitive dissonance: At one of the GOP debates, the candidate whom the press loved to bludgeon for his "vulgarity," Trump, stood with forgotten candidate Ben Carson in the wings when the announcer skipped Carson in his introductions. The other candidates had walked past Carson when their names were called. Not Trump. The camera caught it all.

    As Dan Rather said, and as he titled his book, "the camera never blinks."

    , @Peter Johnson
    Some day there will be an opera "Trump v Clinton" similar in style to John Adam's "Nixon in China" opera of the 1980s.
    , @Tracy
    That second Trump-Clinton debate was great television. I laughed my ass off, and if I were prone to fist-pumping (which I'm not), I'd have done it. I think it's hilarious that Hillary talks about how "creepy" she found Trump during that debate, and how her "skin crawled." Chyeah! As if Hillary "We Came, We Saw, He Died" Clinton felt that instead of pure rage for a single second. And if she had felt that, is someone who's creeped out by someone standing "too close" to her personal space the type of person we want having to deal with North Korea? LOL
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  4. Um…

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    Reading people is critical to power posing. Like Steve notes above, it's risky to try to pull it off in front of a cocky smart aleck type like Dubya because he might say or do something that mocks you and ends up making the crowd laugh at you and turn against you. Unless you have a good comeback ready, you end up looking like a jackass. Of course a stiff like Gore was totally unprepared for this.
    , @Pericles
    Lol, Trump totally steals her scene. In another age, he could have gone for trying to light a cigarette while she was droning on with her big speech.

    Towards the end of this video, the Goolag decided to paint the screen with no less than four ads, making the video look like my desktop with a debate wall paper. Hillary, alas, is partially hidden. Such is her lot in the world. Trump's head, on the other hand, proudly sticks out over one of the ads.

    (I kept a screenshot, but uploading it is a hassle.)
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  5. ‘Norwood’ is the great Charles Portis’ first novel, and it’s hilarious, of course.

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    The movie version of Norwood, made in 1970, was enjoyable if you could stand Mac Davis’s corny songs. A great cast included Glen Campbell, Kim Darby, Joe Namath, and the beautiful Tisha Sterling, daughter of Ann Sothern and Robert Sterling.
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  6. The best way to apply knowledge of non-verbal communication is to observe others. Read them. This can give you an advantage, whereas trying to alter your own postures and movements can backfire if you are a bad actor like Gore.

    Someone like Donald Trump has a double advantage, because he physically dominates without acting, while he also reads other people very well. Combine all that with Jedi Sales Mind Tricks™ and you have someone who is very hard to beat.

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  7. To be fair to the commenter, Dingle and Dingell would be pronounced exactly the same.

    Dingell’s wife, who is 27 years his junior, is currently occupying his old seat in congress.

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    To be fair to the commenter, Dingle and Dingell would be pronounced exactly the same.
     
    I'm English and most certainly wouldn't pronounce them the same.
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  8. “More fun trivia: Pat Buchanan won the 2000 Reform Party nomination against a certain New York real-estate developer, who would go on try his hand at electoral politics again over a decade later…”

    Really funny except we have to live with it the next 8 years because unless the Democrats go full blown pro-war we are stuck with a tough guy. As a pro-war conservative, who is also 100% pro-life, we have nobody to run against him in the primary. Rand Paul the pubic hair head freak? Not likely, he is golfing with Trump. Lindsey Graham, a truly rational Republican? No chance! He is golfing with Trump.

    Anyone see that awesome Eminem freestyle where he destroyed Trump once and for all? Great freestyle rap son. I love me some Eminem. I hope he run against Kid Rock for Senate and beats the “America First” racist Kid Rock who openly displays the confederate flag of terror.

    John McCain in 2020? No chance, he is busy appeasing Trump with the tax cut furor. But I am so sorry, We need low taxes on the rich to stiumulate the economy to fund the wars that are happening and need to happen more.

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    Welcome back Tiny duck.
    , @SteveRogers42
    Kids -- don't do drugs.
    , @Sean
    No Democratic candidate for president since Lyndon Johnson has won a majority of white votes.
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  9. Thirdtwin says:

    Who was it that called algore “the teacher’s pet from hell”? Eleanor Clift?

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    Who was it that called algore “the teacher’s pet from hell”? Eleanor Clift?
     
    WRONG! The. Correct. Answer. Is. Jack Germond. MORTON KONDRAKE!
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  10. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    Um...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qWPmuZc7d8

    Reading people is critical to power posing. Like Steve notes above, it’s risky to try to pull it off in front of a cocky smart aleck type like Dubya because he might say or do something that mocks you and ends up making the crowd laugh at you and turn against you. Unless you have a good comeback ready, you end up looking like a jackass. Of course a stiff like Gore was totally unprepared for this.

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  11. e says:
    @Cagey Beast
    With Trump lurking in the background, his second debate with Hillary looked like an old soap opera or stage play directed for television. It felt surreal watching it live, when he'd just pulled that righteous stunt with the Clinton rape victims. Now there was some body language.

    Cognitive dissonance: At one of the GOP debates, the candidate whom the press loved to bludgeon for his “vulgarity,” Trump, stood with forgotten candidate Ben Carson in the wings when the announcer skipped Carson in his introductions. The other candidates had walked past Carson when their names were called. Not Trump. The camera caught it all.

    As Dan Rather said, and as he titled his book, “the camera never blinks.”

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  12. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Hillary should have went to the plastic surgeon and trainer she did:

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    Who dis?
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Hillary should have went to the plastic surgeon and trainer she did:
     
    And you "should have went" to a different elementary school.

    Meet with a lawyer. You might have grounds for a lawsuit.
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  13. Danindc says:

    Norwood also missed the biggest kick in super bowl history.

    Are we sure Gore isn’t Jeb “please clap” older brother? Seems more fitting.

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  14. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I don’t know. Every time this comes up it always leaves me thinking Yeah, what about that dang Dingle-Norwood bill anyway?

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  15. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Sikhs were called the martial race of India, right?

    The few I have known really were closest to a traditionally masculine character: into guns, outdoor activity and less PC.

    Looks like an example of HBD.

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    Aren't they vegetarian? I read that somewhere. I saw a map of India showing that their Panjab-state homeland had some of the lowest meat consumption in India.

    According to an Indian study, local Panjab college students had significantly lower hand grip strength than American college students.

    I do recall that one time when I drove through Vancouver in Canada, I saw a bunch of big burly Indian dudes. Fattest, heaviest set Indians I ever saw. Lot of them had those huge hooked noses that you see on Arabs and Persians. Sorta scary and fierce looking. Way different from the skinny Indians of America. A local Vancouverian told me they were Sikhs and they were the "Hillbillies of India." Not sure whether he meant that as a compliment or insult.

    So conflicting data points.
    , @SteveRogers42
    At one point in the '80's, the Sikhs, despite being a tiny minority in India, made up half the officer corps of the Indian Army and half of the Indian Olympic team.
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  16. Here’s a question. If Gore had won the 2000 election, would America be better off today?

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    Here’s a question. If Gore had won the 2000 election, would America be better off today?
     
    Would anything be different? Not sure.
    , @Danindc
    Iraq would be better off.

    We wouldn't have Trump most likely so we would be kicking the can down the road...which we may be doing now but maybe not
    , @D. K.
    If Dukakis had not blown a 17-point lead, coming out of the Democratic Convention, in 1988, we sure would be. We would have been spared Bush the Elder, the Clintons, Al Gore, Bush the Younger and, presumably, both Obama and Trump. There would have been no Persian Gulf War, no American troops in Saudi Arabia, no al-Queda, no World Trade Center bombing, no Oklahoma City bombing, no 9/11, no International War on Terrorism, no USA PATRIOT Act, no Afghanistan War, no Iraq War, no faux Arab Spring, no Libyan Civil War, no Syrian Civil War, no influx of millions of (mostly fake, mostly Muslim) refugees into Europe, etc. We could have avoided all of that, if only Governor Dukakis had not made a 35-year-old political neophyte, Susan "Have I mentioned yet that I am a rape survivor?" Estrich, his presidential-campaign manager, to face off against an amoral political professional, Lee Atwater. In answer to your actual question, though, yes, Al Gore, for all of his faults, would have spared us the Iraq War, et. seq.
    , @Dr. X

    Here’s a question. If Gore had won the 2000 election, would America be better off today?
     
    Absolutely not. Say what you will about GWB, but he was indeed the better choice by far. Seventeen years later Gore still strikes me as an unhinged demagogic nut rather than a mere incompetent.

    Among other things, had Gore won you'd have kissed you guns goodbye long ago...
    , @AnotherDad

    If Gore had won the 2000 election, would America be better off today?
     
    Counter-factual history is a flyer. History is complicated.

    Since we've have a quasi-nationalist--however confused--in Trump as a result of the post-2000 historical play out, it's hard to argue the Gore path would have been better.


    The only way I think things might have been better with Gore, is that if Gore had reacted to 911 by inviting in millions of muslims I think Republicans/conservatives would have reacted much more skeptically, hostilely. While whatever "invade the world" program Gore wanted to enact would have had majority conservative support, any attempt Gore made to do "invite the world" would have generated intense conservative opposition.

    The natural human (and conservative) reaction to 911 is "what are those @!$%&s doing here!" Party loyalty allowed Bush to push some really insane utopian immigration liberalism without generating the same degree of conservative--public--opposition.

    I think we'd be better off by having far fewer muslims in the US, and much more solid conservative immigration-of-incompatibles skepticism.

    So perhaps US conservatism in general would be further down the necessary path? But counter-factuals ... guessing game.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, we'd have Christmas everyday.
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  17. (For example, I got a press release from a Sikh-American political action committee arguing that Gore endorsing motorcycle helmets laws — Sikhs love motorcycles and hate helmets because of their turbans — had cost Gore victory, and their math wasn’t totally implausible.)

    These people are truly Sikh in the head.

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    Couldn't they just make a turban with fiberglass resin in the fabric? Sounds like that would make for a pretty good "helmet".
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  18. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's a question. If Gore had won the 2000 election, would America be better off today?

    Here’s a question. If Gore had won the 2000 election, would America be better off today?

    Would anything be different? Not sure.

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    Iraq.

    Maybe Gore would've been a bit more careful about inflating the subprime mortgage bubble. Clinton allowed some level of inflation during the 90s, but Bush was far more reckless during his administration.

    Also, numerous FBI warnings were given to Bush prior to 9/11. He ignored those warnings, at one time telling them that "you've covered your @ss." I wonder if Gore would've been so reckless. Maybe 9/11 wouldn't have happened.

    I remember Gore wanted to spend more on reducing the deficit instead of tax cuts. So maybe our national debt would be smaller today. Bush spent $5 trillion on Iraq (according to a study by Professor Bilmes).

    On the other hand, Gore probably would've been equally "globalist" (ie useless) on immigration and trade. Gore was very supportive of NAFTA. He likely would've let Wall Street run amok too. The Clinton administration was always on board with the neo-liberal/globalist/financier agenda, but not quite so reckless/stupid as the Bush administration. Bush was the very embodiment of the movie Idiocracy.
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  19. Danindc says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's a question. If Gore had won the 2000 election, would America be better off today?

    Iraq would be better off.

    We wouldn’t have Trump most likely so we would be kicking the can down the road…which we may be doing now but maybe not

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    Iraq would be better off.
     
    Oh my sweet, sweet Summer Child.

    The pre-existing desire for war in Iraq was largely bipartisan - you'd have gotten the same War with Gore in office, just with more of a gloss of a humanitarian casus belli from the beginning and the media insisting that it was going swimmingly for an indefinite period of time in order to shore up Gore's domestic political situation.

    I'm old enough to recall that one of the Democrats' criticisms of Bush the Greater was that he didn't have the guts to "go in there" and "finish off" Saddam Hussein.
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  20. bartok says:
    @Methodological Terrorist
    My favorite 2000 election outcome cause is how poorly designed ballots led to isolationist Pat Buchanan stealing a couple thousand votes from liberal internationalist Al Gore, thus leading to neoconservative George W. Bush's ascension to the presidency. Without Buchanan running his America First third-party campaign in the 2000 election, there wouldn't have been an Iraq War!

    More fun trivia: Pat Buchanan won the 2000 Reform Party nomination against a certain New York real-estate developer, who would go on try his hand at electoral politics again over a decade later...

    Without Buchanan running his America First third-party campaign in the 2000 election, there wouldn’t have been an Iraq War!

    This is an absurd hypothetical. Of course there would have been an Iraq War, 9/11 or no, Bush or Gore.
    For the same reason that there will be an Iran War in our near future: Netanyahu & co. desire it and will have it.

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    Power posing is like a carny trick, like magic; it works only if you’ve stacked the deck so in your favor that the chances of overcoming it are small or nil.

    A good magician has moves so dexterous that even if you know what to look for (i.e. you know the secret of the trick) you won’t be able to catch the sleight of hand because he’s just too good, even for those who know what to look for. And he still covers most of it up with patter and pretty girls and flashes of smoke and such.

    But a bad magician needs you to be distracted by his patter or the pretty girl or the flash or whatever, because if you do watch his hands you’ll be able to glimpse the secret of the trick, ’cause he ain’t that nimble.

    Gore was a bad magician when it came to stage presence, so when he tried his power pose he didn’t have anything to distract you from the woodness of it. He should have been talking / gesturing in ways to distract the audience and get both them and W. to let down their guard. Then the pose itself would have subliminally worked better and we’d have remembered him as being confident/presidential/imposing but not known why. The patter could have covered him up.

    Picture an 8 year-old kid trying to make a coin disappear but you see it fall from his hand and hear the clink of it hitting the floor when he maneuvers it. He doesn’t tell jokes or wave his arms distractingly or set up the stage so you can’t hear the coin hit. He’s concentrating so hard on just doing the mechanics he does nothing else, making the trick less ,”Awesome!” and more “Bless your heart.”

    That 8-year-old kid was Al Gore with his power pose.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    The main benefit of power posing is crowding-out powerlessness posing, which never works.
    , @SteveRogers42
    Algore was trying to "big him to death".
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  22. @Methodological Terrorist
    My favorite 2000 election outcome cause is how poorly designed ballots led to isolationist Pat Buchanan stealing a couple thousand votes from liberal internationalist Al Gore, thus leading to neoconservative George W. Bush's ascension to the presidency. Without Buchanan running his America First third-party campaign in the 2000 election, there wouldn't have been an Iraq War!

    More fun trivia: Pat Buchanan won the 2000 Reform Party nomination against a certain New York real-estate developer, who would go on try his hand at electoral politics again over a decade later...

    I remember in Palm Beach County, lots of elderly Jews accidentally voted for Pat Buchanan because they misunderstood the Butterfly ballot. A lot of them were horrified when they found out.

    Remember all the time they spent arguing about dimpled chads, hanging chads, etc?

    No major Florida law firms wouldn’t represent Gore because they were worried Governor Jeb Bush would deny them state contracts.

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    I remember in Palm Beach County, lots of elderly Jews accidentally voted for Pat Buchanan because they misunderstood the Butterfly ballot. A lot of them were horrified when they found out
     
    Voter error is just part of the process and un-correctable after the fact. If this event wasn't something that seemingly undermined the legitimacy of the Presidency of Bush the Lesser we never would have heard about it.

    Keep in mind that the elderly Jews were "horrified" by their votes because of the calumny against Buchanan that he's a crypto-NAZI spread by their tribesmen so that the latter could wrest control of vital parts of the conservative movement for their own ends. I will not shed a tear for them.

    I'm a young-ish, experienced voter and I made a mistake two cycles ago by failing to vote "Yes" for the retention of a County Court Judge whom I like and with whom I'm friendly. I knew within 2 minutes or so that I just didn't see the part of the push-screen where the retention vote was listed and then forgot about the retention issue on the ballot. Oh well.
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  23. Wilkey says:

    Probably hundreds or even thousands of statements and actions by the candidates or other players could have altered the outcome of the election. How about the decision of NBC execs not to release the Access Hollywood tape until a month before the election? If they had released it during the primaries Trump may not have even been the nominee, Hillary would have been running against Ted Cruz, and perhaps she would have won. It was an immoral decision to hold off on the tapes and one that ultimately backfired.

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  24. newrouter says:

    corporate media circa 1975:

    Grateful Dead – Man Smart Woman Smarter

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    Tell that to Naomi Wolf! Great Version- Alpine Valley?
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  25. @Anonymous

    Here’s a question. If Gore had won the 2000 election, would America be better off today?
     
    Would anything be different? Not sure.

    Iraq.

    Maybe Gore would’ve been a bit more careful about inflating the subprime mortgage bubble. Clinton allowed some level of inflation during the 90s, but Bush was far more reckless during his administration.

    Also, numerous FBI warnings were given to Bush prior to 9/11. He ignored those warnings, at one time telling them that “you’ve covered your @ss.” I wonder if Gore would’ve been so reckless. Maybe 9/11 wouldn’t have happened.

    I remember Gore wanted to spend more on reducing the deficit instead of tax cuts. So maybe our national debt would be smaller today. Bush spent $5 trillion on Iraq (according to a study by Professor Bilmes).

    On the other hand, Gore probably would’ve been equally “globalist” (ie useless) on immigration and trade. Gore was very supportive of NAFTA. He likely would’ve let Wall Street run amok too. The Clinton administration was always on board with the neo-liberal/globalist/financier agenda, but not quite so reckless/stupid as the Bush administration. Bush was the very embodiment of the movie Idiocracy.

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    • Replies: @Abe
    If Gore had won, Bush's Supreme Court picks (for conservative seats) would have gone liberal, and so left the court with a 6-3 liberal majority (and one of those 3 being Anthony Kennedy). Goodbye 1st and 2nd Amendments.
    , @27 year old

    Also, numerous FBI warnings were given to Bush prior to 9/11. He ignored those warnings, at one time telling them that “you’ve covered your @ss.” I wonder if Gore would’ve been so reckless. Maybe 9/11 wouldn’t have happened.
     
    This is really reaching. I can't see president Gore doing anything real to stop it like profiling/surveiling Arabs in flight schools or canceling Arab visas or going alpha male on Saudi Arabia.
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    @silviosilver

    (For example, I got a press release from a Sikh-American political action committee arguing that Gore endorsing motorcycle helmets laws — Sikhs love motorcycles and hate helmets because of their turbans — had cost Gore victory, and their math wasn’t totally implausible.)
     
    These people are truly Sikh in the head.

    Couldn’t they just make a turban with fiberglass resin in the fabric? Sounds like that would make for a pretty good “helmet”.

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    I think we need to lay the law down on them.

    Sikh and ye shall be fined.
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  27. Sikhs love motorcycles and hate helmets because of their turbans —

    Helmets have turbans?

    Does that mean they’re turbacharged?

    Is that Sikh over there reaching for his dagger, or is he just masturbanning?

    Sign hanging from a knob in a Sikh hotel: “Do Not Diss Turban”

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  28. @Anonymous
    Sikhs were called the martial race of India, right?

    The few I have known really were closest to a traditionally masculine character: into guns, outdoor activity and less PC.

    Looks like an example of HBD.

    Aren’t they vegetarian? I read that somewhere. I saw a map of India showing that their Panjab-state homeland had some of the lowest meat consumption in India.

    According to an Indian study, local Panjab college students had significantly lower hand grip strength than American college students.

    I do recall that one time when I drove through Vancouver in Canada, I saw a bunch of big burly Indian dudes. Fattest, heaviest set Indians I ever saw. Lot of them had those huge hooked noses that you see on Arabs and Persians. Sorta scary and fierce looking. Way different from the skinny Indians of America. A local Vancouverian told me they were Sikhs and they were the “Hillbillies of India.” Not sure whether he meant that as a compliment or insult.

    So conflicting data points.

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  29. Abe says: • Website
    @Thirdtwin
    Who was it that called algore "the teacher's pet from hell"? Eleanor Clift?

    Who was it that called algore “the teacher’s pet from hell”? Eleanor Clift?

    WRONG! The. Correct. Answer. Is. Jack Germond. MORTON KONDRAKE!

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  30. Langley says:
    @Methodological Terrorist
    My favorite 2000 election outcome cause is how poorly designed ballots led to isolationist Pat Buchanan stealing a couple thousand votes from liberal internationalist Al Gore, thus leading to neoconservative George W. Bush's ascension to the presidency. Without Buchanan running his America First third-party campaign in the 2000 election, there wouldn't have been an Iraq War!

    More fun trivia: Pat Buchanan won the 2000 Reform Party nomination against a certain New York real-estate developer, who would go on try his hand at electoral politics again over a decade later...

    La Griffe du Lion claims that more Floridians voted Democrat than Republican in 2000.

    The problem was that the Democrat elites had made the “butterfly” ballots too complicated for their base who invalidated their votes.

    http://lagriffedulion.f2s.com/elec2000.htm

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Democratic operatives in Jacksonville in 2000 sent busloads of blacks to the polls, but they told them to vote for somebody on every page. The long list of Presidential candidates sprawled across more than one page, so a lot of voters in heavily black districts invalidated their ballots by voting for two Presidential candidates.
    , @Anonymous
    http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/election2k/pbc_tampering.htm

    I happened to be listening to Mike Reagan when he mentioned the letter he got 3 days after the election. That's how I knew about it and found a link.

    After you read the article, doesn't this make the most sense of what went down?

    I suspect Camille Paglia knew about it; she mentioned Robert Wexler, Dem congressman of Palm Beach during the election, and how he should be water-boarder until he confesses. Not really, I want him water-boarded! He probably organized the whole thing.

    I'm sure you'll remember Gore un-conceded to Bush, he did after Palm Beach county finally released their fraudulent totals. With Palm Beach being the last county, it met the standard for fraud; you have to know two numbers, your guy's vote total and his opponent's if you accurately report the voting. So they had to wait and determine how many votes they either create or destroy.

    They decided destroying votes was the better way; creating voters like the dems in Chicago in '60, left a paper trail. You could get a copy of the voter records and checkout where they lived. Like the 60+ that were the headstones in a cemetery; listed on the records in the same order the graves were.

    So by double punching the ballots, you get all the Bush votes destroyed.

    The fact Gore conceded implies that he wasn't aware of the fix being in. If this had been a Republican operation, some reporter would of had a Woodward-Burnstien career for uncovering it....but with the dems doing it, NOBODY bothered to look.
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  31. Anon 2 says:

    OT Momentous events are taking place in Central Europe.
    In the footsteps of Poland and Hungary, Austria and Czechia
    are now turning right and assuming an anti-immigrant stance.

    Steve, it would be nice to include this as one of your upcoming topics

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    In the footsteps of Poland and Hungary, Austria and Czechia

     

    There is no place called "Czechia".

    It's Česko.

    Or, if you prefer English, the Czech Republic.
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  32. Abe says: • Website
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Iraq.

    Maybe Gore would've been a bit more careful about inflating the subprime mortgage bubble. Clinton allowed some level of inflation during the 90s, but Bush was far more reckless during his administration.

    Also, numerous FBI warnings were given to Bush prior to 9/11. He ignored those warnings, at one time telling them that "you've covered your @ss." I wonder if Gore would've been so reckless. Maybe 9/11 wouldn't have happened.

    I remember Gore wanted to spend more on reducing the deficit instead of tax cuts. So maybe our national debt would be smaller today. Bush spent $5 trillion on Iraq (according to a study by Professor Bilmes).

    On the other hand, Gore probably would've been equally "globalist" (ie useless) on immigration and trade. Gore was very supportive of NAFTA. He likely would've let Wall Street run amok too. The Clinton administration was always on board with the neo-liberal/globalist/financier agenda, but not quite so reckless/stupid as the Bush administration. Bush was the very embodiment of the movie Idiocracy.

    If Gore had won, Bush’s Supreme Court picks (for conservative seats) would have gone liberal, and so left the court with a 6-3 liberal majority (and one of those 3 being Anthony Kennedy). Goodbye 1st and 2nd Amendments.

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    Quite true. We be where England is right now.

    Prostrate before Islam and Muzzies. People like Sailer and the rest of the alt-right wouldn't have a platform anywhere. They would get the Tommy Robinson treatment.
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  33. @Langley
    La Griffe du Lion claims that more Floridians voted Democrat than Republican in 2000.

    The problem was that the Democrat elites had made the "butterfly" ballots too complicated for their base who invalidated their votes.

    http://lagriffedulion.f2s.com/elec2000.htm

    Democratic operatives in Jacksonville in 2000 sent busloads of blacks to the polls, but they told them to vote for somebody on every page. The long list of Presidential candidates sprawled across more than one page, so a lot of voters in heavily black districts invalidated their ballots by voting for two Presidential candidates.

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    Democratic operatives in Jacksonville in 2000 sent busloads of blacks to the polls, but they told them to vote for somebody on every page.
     
    And these are the rightful rulers of our country. Sure.

    How can Democrats go outside without paper bags on their heads?
    , @hyperbola
    Any evidence to back up that assertion?

    A Chat with Lance deHaven-Smith
    Al Gore really did beat George W. Bush in 2000. Six years on, this is still a problem?

    After spending 36 days in the fall of 2000 in thrall to politicians, pundits and the press, Americans probably thought they knew all about the hanging, dangling and pregnant chads that helped decide the presidential election. Turns out, those chads only distracted attention from much more grievous breakdowns during the 2000 election.....

    .... It’s an embarrassing outcome for George Bush because it showed that Gore had gotten more votes. Everybody had thought that the chads were where all the bad ballots were, but it turned out that the ones that were the most decisive were write-in ballots where people would check Gore and write Gore in, and the machine kicked those out. There were 175,000 votes overall that were so-called “spoiled ballots.” About two-thirds of the spoiled ballots were over-votes; many or most of them would have been write-in over-votes, where people had punched and written in a candidate’s name. And nobody looked at this, not even the Florida Supreme Court in the last decision it made requiring a statewide recount. Nobody had thought about it except Judge Terry Lewis, who was overseeing the statewide recount when it was halted by the U.S. Supreme Court. The write-in over-votes have really not gotten much attention. Those votes are not ambiguous. When you see Gore picked and then Gore written in, there’s not a question in your mind who this person was voting for. When you go through those, they’re unambiguous: Bush got some of those votes, but they were overwhelmingly for Gore. For example, in an analysis of the 2.7 million votes that had been cast in Florida’s eight largest counties, The Washington Post found that Gore’s name was punched on 46,000 of the over-vote ballots it, while Bush’s name was marked on only 17,000....
    , @SteveRogers42
    Sheeeiiiittt!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70eU840lc38
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  34. Rod1963 says:
    @Kyle Kopelovich
    "More fun trivia: Pat Buchanan won the 2000 Reform Party nomination against a certain New York real-estate developer, who would go on try his hand at electoral politics again over a decade later…"

    Really funny except we have to live with it the next 8 years because unless the Democrats go full blown pro-war we are stuck with a tough guy. As a pro-war conservative, who is also 100% pro-life, we have nobody to run against him in the primary. Rand Paul the pubic hair head freak? Not likely, he is golfing with Trump. Lindsey Graham, a truly rational Republican? No chance! He is golfing with Trump.

    Anyone see that awesome Eminem freestyle where he destroyed Trump once and for all? Great freestyle rap son. I love me some Eminem. I hope he run against Kid Rock for Senate and beats the "America First" racist Kid Rock who openly displays the confederate flag of terror.

    John McCain in 2020? No chance, he is busy appeasing Trump with the tax cut furor. But I am so sorry, We need low taxes on the rich to stiumulate the economy to fund the wars that are happening and need to happen more.

    Welcome back Tiny duck.

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  35. Rod1963 says:
    @Abe
    If Gore had won, Bush's Supreme Court picks (for conservative seats) would have gone liberal, and so left the court with a 6-3 liberal majority (and one of those 3 being Anthony Kennedy). Goodbye 1st and 2nd Amendments.

    Quite true. We be where England is right now.

    Prostrate before Islam and Muzzies. People like Sailer and the rest of the alt-right wouldn’t have a platform anywhere. They would get the Tommy Robinson treatment.

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  36. D. K. says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's a question. If Gore had won the 2000 election, would America be better off today?

    If Dukakis had not blown a 17-point lead, coming out of the Democratic Convention, in 1988, we sure would be. We would have been spared Bush the Elder, the Clintons, Al Gore, Bush the Younger and, presumably, both Obama and Trump. There would have been no Persian Gulf War, no American troops in Saudi Arabia, no al-Queda, no World Trade Center bombing, no Oklahoma City bombing, no 9/11, no International War on Terrorism, no USA PATRIOT Act, no Afghanistan War, no Iraq War, no faux Arab Spring, no Libyan Civil War, no Syrian Civil War, no influx of millions of (mostly fake, mostly Muslim) refugees into Europe, etc. We could have avoided all of that, if only Governor Dukakis had not made a 35-year-old political neophyte, Susan “Have I mentioned yet that I am a rape survivor?” Estrich, his presidential-campaign manager, to face off against an amoral political professional, Lee Atwater. In answer to your actual question, though, yes, Al Gore, for all of his faults, would have spared us the Iraq War, et. seq.

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    We didn't start the fire.
    , @Alden
    Estrich's column was one of the reasons I stopped reading the Los Angeles Slimes and some magazines. Thanks be to God, the internet came along about that time. Didn't know she was a rape survivor. What happened? Did somebody grope her on a bus?? Whoops, forgot Jewish women never ride pubic transit. Maybe somebody brushed past her in a line somewhere.

    When the Michael Jackson scandal came out, she claimed that she met him somewhere or other and knew immediately that he was a creepy weirdo. She teaches law. No wonder the country is in such a mess. She and her evil ilk teach law, students become attorneys and attorneys become the minions of Satan, judges.

    Around the time Estrich was running Dukasis campaign and for about 10 more years it was very ,very fashionable for Jewish women to suddenly remember rape or molestation or some unwanted approach that scarred them for life. Even that ugly dwarf Barbara Boxer dredged up a memory from her CUNY days. CUNY Communist university of New York.
    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    We could have avoided all of that, if only Governor Dukakis had not made a 35-year-old political neophyte, Susan “Have I mentioned yet that I am a rape survivor?” Estrich, his presidential-campaign manager, to face off against an amoral political professional, Lee Atwater.
     
    This is silly - the more ethical than the winner pose is just a post hoc justification for losing Democrats before they had enough control of the narrative and secret police apparatus to sell Dude, Russia Stole My Election.

    I've watched multiple exposes/documentaries that touch on the Willie Horton advertisement and none have ever been able to persuade me that the issue of Willie Horton and the Massachusetts prison furlough program were anything other than legitimate, material expressions of the criminal-coddling that was au courant with liberals during that time (and is gaining purchase now with BLM exercising influence on elected Democrats) and contributed to the crime wave of the 60s-90s.

    The main argument seems to be that Willie Horton was a black man who committed violent crimes before and after the prison furlough as if black crime was somehow atypical and referring to it gave rise to suppressed prejudices of whites. The fact of the matter was that blacks and young-ish black men were and remain responsible for a boatload of violent crime and whites were right to be concerned about that. Then there's some pivot to the argument that using the name "Willie" is more associated with underclass blacks than his full given name of "William" on the rapist/murderer's sayso that he went by the princely name of "William" in the ghettos he inhabited.

    You really have to wonder about the sanity of someone who prizes the "rehabilitation" of a violent murderer over the safety of the general public let alone such a man's fitness for a public office.
    , @Dr. X

    In answer to your actual question, though, yes, Al Gore, for all of his faults, would have spared us the Iraq War, et. seq.
     
    Don't be so sure. Remember Gore was a member of the Clinton administration that bombed Serbia (...and when were we ever attacked by Serbs?) and bombed Iraq in Operation Desert Fox, the most blatant wag-the-dog military action ever.
    , @Brutusale
    Susan Estrogen was only there because the real power behind the tiny throne, John Sasso, was already caught in one of the previous dirty tricks.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sasso

    http://www.nytimes.com/1987/10/01/us/two-top-aides-to-dukakis-resign-as-one-admits-role-in-biden-tape.html?pagewanted=all

    The Tiny Duke may have been POTUS if Sasso had run the entire campaign.
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  37. @Anon 2
    OT Momentous events are taking place in Central Europe.
    In the footsteps of Poland and Hungary, Austria and Czechia
    are now turning right and assuming an anti-immigrant stance.

    Steve, it would be nice to include this as one of your upcoming topics

    In the footsteps of Poland and Hungary, Austria and Czechia

    There is no place called “Czechia”.

    It’s Česko.

    Or, if you prefer English, the Czech Republic.

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    If you're going to pedantically correct someone, try not being completely wrong. Czechia is what the nation itself has decided to call itself in English. You could even Google it.
    , @Anon 2
    In 2013 Czech president Zeman recommended a wider
    use of 'Czechia'.

    In 2017 Google switched to Czechia on Google Maps.
    Czechia is becoming increasingly popular. I have Czech
    relatives (by marriage), and they seem to like the term.

    Czechia is analogous to Slovakia and Slovenia. The -ia ending
    is popular in Slavonic names. By the way, the names Slovakia,
    Slovenia, and even the term Slavonic are all derived from
    'slovo' which means 'word' in Slavonic languages. Hence the
    Slavs are literally 'people of the word'
    , @Pericles
    Czeching out now.
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  38. That’s such a Hollywood answer. It reminds me of scott Norwood the bills kicker who cost the Bills a super bowl.

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    It's a bit much to blame everything on Norwood. If you lose the game because of a bad call, or a missed kick, then you weren't winning by enough to begin with. See the Giants two SB victories over the Patriots; both games turned on one freak play, as did the Patriots win over the Seahawks. The Bills also managed to lose 3 other SuperBowls without Norwood's help.
    , @Joe Joe
    Jim Kelley should have gotten the Bills much closer.
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  39. @Steve Sailer
    Democratic operatives in Jacksonville in 2000 sent busloads of blacks to the polls, but they told them to vote for somebody on every page. The long list of Presidential candidates sprawled across more than one page, so a lot of voters in heavily black districts invalidated their ballots by voting for two Presidential candidates.

    Democratic operatives in Jacksonville in 2000 sent busloads of blacks to the polls, but they told them to vote for somebody on every page.

    And these are the rightful rulers of our country. Sure.

    How can Democrats go outside without paper bags on their heads?

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  40. NickG says:
    @ScarletNumber
    To be fair to the commenter, Dingle and Dingell would be pronounced exactly the same.

    Dingell's wife, who is 27 years his junior, is currently occupying his old seat in congress.

    To be fair to the commenter, Dingle and Dingell would be pronounced exactly the same.

    I’m English and most certainly wouldn’t pronounce them the same.

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    I'm American and I would. And there are several times as many English speakers here as there are in the U.K. (Excluding California, of course ;)

    But I'd defer to you on the proper use of Urdu and Arabic, your country's new languages. Here we speak Spanish, I mean English, like good Americans.

    , @Anon
    Well, he was MY congressman, for about 50 years, and it was pronounced Dingle.
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  41. Polynices says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    In the footsteps of Poland and Hungary, Austria and Czechia

     

    There is no place called "Czechia".

    It's Česko.

    Or, if you prefer English, the Czech Republic.

    If you’re going to pedantically correct someone, try not being completely wrong. Czechia is what the nation itself has decided to call itself in English. You could even Google it.

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    You could even Google it.
     
    Only the little people google! - Reg Helmsley
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Czechia is what the nation itself has decided to call itself in English.
     
    Since when do Czechs who barely speak English get to tell us how to speak it? Česko sounds vastly better-- in English. These PC cuckish concessions usually replace a much more euphonious English name, but in this case, it replaces two such monikers: Bohemia and Moravia.

    Let's look at another cacophonous renaming, that of Belarus. That, and its immediate predecessor Byelorussia (remember them at the UN and Olympics?) translate as "White Russia".

    And guess what-- that's what the Hungarians, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Finns, Swedes, Norwegians, Icelanders, Faeroe Islanders, Danes, Frisians, Dutch, Germans and Greeks call them in their own tongues. Because it sounds better. So why can't we? We're cucks.

    Germans don't tell us to call them Deutsch. They're German, alleman, nemetsky, saksa, németek, vācieši , Γερμανοί, etc. The term for this is exonymy, and it's got a long and august history.

    So enjoy your Beijing duck, your Chennai shirt, your Sri Lanka tea, your Farsi rug, your Amharic and Thai cats, your Oh! Kolkata!, your Mumbai Sapphire gin, your Shroud of Torino, your Myanmar Shave. We'll stick with tradition.

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  42. @whorefinder
    Power posing is like a carny trick, like magic; it works only if you've stacked the deck so in your favor that the chances of overcoming it are small or nil.

    A good magician has moves so dexterous that even if you know what to look for (i.e. you know the secret of the trick) you won't be able to catch the sleight of hand because he's just too good, even for those who know what to look for. And he still covers most of it up with patter and pretty girls and flashes of smoke and such.

    But a bad magician needs you to be distracted by his patter or the pretty girl or the flash or whatever, because if you do watch his hands you'll be able to glimpse the secret of the trick, 'cause he ain't that nimble.

    Gore was a bad magician when it came to stage presence, so when he tried his power pose he didn't have anything to distract you from the woodness of it. He should have been talking / gesturing in ways to distract the audience and get both them and W. to let down their guard. Then the pose itself would have subliminally worked better and we'd have remembered him as being confident/presidential/imposing but not known why. The patter could have covered him up.

    Picture an 8 year-old kid trying to make a coin disappear but you see it fall from his hand and hear the clink of it hitting the floor when he maneuvers it. He doesn't tell jokes or wave his arms distractingly or set up the stage so you can't hear the coin hit. He's concentrating so hard on just doing the mechanics he does nothing else, making the trick less ,"Awesome!" and more "Bless your heart."

    That 8-year-old kid was Al Gore with his power pose.

    The main benefit of power posing is crowding-out powerlessness posing, which never works.

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  43. Not really a power pose move but I recall Tipper coming out from behind the curtain at the Dem convention and giving Gore a prolonged open mouth tongue kiss.

    The ladies went wild and Gore shot up in the polls as a result.

    I recall thinking we are in a sad state if a dumb stunt like that gives half the electorate a thrill up their leg.

    And then 8 years came Barry Sotero playing the role of every liberal’s imaginary cool AA friend.

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  44. Anon 2 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    In the footsteps of Poland and Hungary, Austria and Czechia

     

    There is no place called "Czechia".

    It's Česko.

    Or, if you prefer English, the Czech Republic.

    In 2013 Czech president Zeman recommended a wider
    use of ‘Czechia’.

    In 2017 Google switched to Czechia on Google Maps.
    Czechia is becoming increasingly popular. I have Czech
    relatives (by marriage), and they seem to like the term.

    Czechia is analogous to Slovakia and Slovenia. The -ia ending
    is popular in Slavonic names. By the way, the names Slovakia,
    Slovenia, and even the term Slavonic are all derived from
    ‘slovo’ which means ‘word’ in Slavonic languages. Hence the
    Slavs are literally ‘people of the word’

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    Confirm. And analogous translations and transliterations are gaining ground in other languages as well: in France we increasingly speak of "Tchéquie" as "République Tchèque" is just too darn long-winded.
    , @silviosilver

    By the way, the names Slovakia,
    Slovenia, and even the term Slavonic are all derived from
    ‘slovo’ which means ‘word’ in Slavonic languages. Hence the
    Slavs are literally ‘people of the word’
     
    Really?

    I thought those names derived from the Slavic word for their group: Slaveni/Sloveni (Slavs, in English), meaning something like "the great ones" or "the exalted ones."
    , @ben tillman

    In 2013 Czech president Zeman recommended a wider use of ‘Czechia’.

    In 2017 Google switched to Czechia on Google Maps. Czechia is becoming increasingly popular. I have Czech relatives (by marriage), and they seem to like the term.

    Czechia is analogous to Slovakia and Slovenia. The -ia ending is popular in Slavonic names. By the way, the names Slovakia, Slovenia, and even the term Slavonic are all derived from ‘slovo’ which means ‘word’ in Slavonic languages. Hence the Slavs are literally ‘people of the word’
     
    Yeah, but you also have Germany, Italy, and Hungary and Poland, Switzerland, England, and Deutschland.

    The one Czech I know still says Czech Republic, but I think I prefer Czechland.
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  45. Pericles says:
    @anony-mouse
    Um...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qWPmuZc7d8

    Lol, Trump totally steals her scene. In another age, he could have gone for trying to light a cigarette while she was droning on with her big speech.

    Towards the end of this video, the Goolag decided to paint the screen with no less than four ads, making the video look like my desktop with a debate wall paper. Hillary, alas, is partially hidden. Such is her lot in the world. Trump’s head, on the other hand, proudly sticks out over one of the ads.

    (I kept a screenshot, but uploading it is a hassle.)

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  46. Pericles says:
    @D. K.
    If Dukakis had not blown a 17-point lead, coming out of the Democratic Convention, in 1988, we sure would be. We would have been spared Bush the Elder, the Clintons, Al Gore, Bush the Younger and, presumably, both Obama and Trump. There would have been no Persian Gulf War, no American troops in Saudi Arabia, no al-Queda, no World Trade Center bombing, no Oklahoma City bombing, no 9/11, no International War on Terrorism, no USA PATRIOT Act, no Afghanistan War, no Iraq War, no faux Arab Spring, no Libyan Civil War, no Syrian Civil War, no influx of millions of (mostly fake, mostly Muslim) refugees into Europe, etc. We could have avoided all of that, if only Governor Dukakis had not made a 35-year-old political neophyte, Susan "Have I mentioned yet that I am a rape survivor?" Estrich, his presidential-campaign manager, to face off against an amoral political professional, Lee Atwater. In answer to your actual question, though, yes, Al Gore, for all of his faults, would have spared us the Iraq War, et. seq.

    We didn’t start the fire.

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  47. Pericles says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    In the footsteps of Poland and Hungary, Austria and Czechia

     

    There is no place called "Czechia".

    It's Česko.

    Or, if you prefer English, the Czech Republic.

    Czeching out now.

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    Or as Ice Cube would put it: Chickity-Czech yo self before you wreck yo self.
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  48. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    'Norwood' is the great Charles Portis' first novel, and it's hilarious, of course.

    The movie version of Norwood, made in 1970, was enjoyable if you could stand Mac Davis’s corny songs. A great cast included Glen Campbell, Kim Darby, Joe Namath, and the beautiful Tisha Sterling, daughter of Ann Sothern and Robert Sterling.

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    I'll have to look that up...hope Campbell did a better acting job than in "True Grit," where he was pretty terrible. Darby was fine in that movie, but too old for the part, and too pretty.

    I always thought a film of "Dog of the South" could succeed, if done right. Maybe a Coen Bros. production would work?
    Steve Buscemi for the lead.

    John Goodman as the Doctor.
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  49. @Cagey Beast
    With Trump lurking in the background, his second debate with Hillary looked like an old soap opera or stage play directed for television. It felt surreal watching it live, when he'd just pulled that righteous stunt with the Clinton rape victims. Now there was some body language.

    Some day there will be an opera “Trump v Clinton” similar in style to John Adam’s “Nixon in China” opera of the 1980s.

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    On the subject of power posing, the presidency and the gender gap, some theater professionals ran with the idea to swap genders and re-stage the October 2016 debates with a woman as Trump and a man as Clinton. Not surprisingly, their offhand assumption was that Trump's style would be intolerable from a woman because, sexism. To their horror, female Trump came off as affable and pleasant if slightly awkward, while male Clinton appeared a brash, condescending bully. I'm told the director was fighting back tears when he saw the dress rehearsal: "Now I see how Trump won."

    More generally, yuppy SJWs seem completely unaware of or oblivious to the degree to which they appear viscerally unpleasant in their preferred outlets - Hollywood, Comedy Central, Slate, the AP - to such a large swath of the population. Even more astonishing is that so many of them work in communications fields. Evidently they have not grasped the silver bullet that the only message that matters is the one the end listener hears. Trump grasped that.
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  50. Ganderson says:
    @newrouter
    corporate media circa 1975:

    Grateful Dead - Man Smart Woman Smarter

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9fF8yptn8E

    Tell that to Naomi Wolf! Great Version- Alpine Valley?

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    May have been Rich Stadium in Buffalo, definitely '89, though.
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  51. I always chalked up Gore’s loss to his unabashedly anti-2nd amendment statements losing him West Virginia, which had gone blue in every previous election except the Reagan landslide in 84.

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    Right. And he also lost his home state of Tennessee probably for the same reason.
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  52. Clyde says:

    This dork power posing? That produces cortisol, allegedly? Hahahaha.

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  53. Dr. X says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's a question. If Gore had won the 2000 election, would America be better off today?

    Here’s a question. If Gore had won the 2000 election, would America be better off today?

    Absolutely not. Say what you will about GWB, but he was indeed the better choice by far. Seventeen years later Gore still strikes me as an unhinged demagogic nut rather than a mere incompetent.

    Among other things, had Gore won you’d have kissed you guns goodbye long ago…

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  54. Nico says:
    @Anon 2
    In 2013 Czech president Zeman recommended a wider
    use of 'Czechia'.

    In 2017 Google switched to Czechia on Google Maps.
    Czechia is becoming increasingly popular. I have Czech
    relatives (by marriage), and they seem to like the term.

    Czechia is analogous to Slovakia and Slovenia. The -ia ending
    is popular in Slavonic names. By the way, the names Slovakia,
    Slovenia, and even the term Slavonic are all derived from
    'slovo' which means 'word' in Slavonic languages. Hence the
    Slavs are literally 'people of the word'

    Confirm. And analogous translations and transliterations are gaining ground in other languages as well: in France we increasingly speak of “Tchéquie” as “République Tchèque” is just too darn long-winded.

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  55. Tracy says: • Website
    @Cagey Beast
    With Trump lurking in the background, his second debate with Hillary looked like an old soap opera or stage play directed for television. It felt surreal watching it live, when he'd just pulled that righteous stunt with the Clinton rape victims. Now there was some body language.

    That second Trump-Clinton debate was great television. I laughed my ass off, and if I were prone to fist-pumping (which I’m not), I’d have done it. I think it’s hilarious that Hillary talks about how “creepy” she found Trump during that debate, and how her “skin crawled.” Chyeah! As if Hillary “We Came, We Saw, He Died” Clinton felt that instead of pure rage for a single second. And if she had felt that, is someone who’s creeped out by someone standing “too close” to her personal space the type of person we want having to deal with North Korea? LOL

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    That debate was magic. Just before they went on stage, Trump had pulled the first ambush press conference when he live streamed the his statement alongside the Clinton's rape victims. Trump made the ultimate comeback that night: "because you'd be in jail".
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  56. Nico says:
    @Peter Johnson
    Some day there will be an opera "Trump v Clinton" similar in style to John Adam's "Nixon in China" opera of the 1980s.

    On the subject of power posing, the presidency and the gender gap, some theater professionals ran with the idea to swap genders and re-stage the October 2016 debates with a woman as Trump and a man as Clinton. Not surprisingly, their offhand assumption was that Trump’s style would be intolerable from a woman because, sexism. To their horror, female Trump came off as affable and pleasant if slightly awkward, while male Clinton appeared a brash, condescending bully. I’m told the director was fighting back tears when he saw the dress rehearsal: “Now I see how Trump won.”

    More generally, yuppy SJWs seem completely unaware of or oblivious to the degree to which they appear viscerally unpleasant in their preferred outlets – Hollywood, Comedy Central, Slate, the AP – to such a large swath of the population. Even more astonishing is that so many of them work in communications fields. Evidently they have not grasped the silver bullet that the only message that matters is the one the end listener hears. Trump grasped that.

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  57. AndrewR says:
    @Methodological Terrorist
    My favorite 2000 election outcome cause is how poorly designed ballots led to isolationist Pat Buchanan stealing a couple thousand votes from liberal internationalist Al Gore, thus leading to neoconservative George W. Bush's ascension to the presidency. Without Buchanan running his America First third-party campaign in the 2000 election, there wouldn't have been an Iraq War!

    More fun trivia: Pat Buchanan won the 2000 Reform Party nomination against a certain New York real-estate developer, who would go on try his hand at electoral politics again over a decade later...

    Bartok is right. How can you claim that President Gore wouldn’t have sought to “liberate” Iraq?

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  58. @Tracy
    That second Trump-Clinton debate was great television. I laughed my ass off, and if I were prone to fist-pumping (which I'm not), I'd have done it. I think it's hilarious that Hillary talks about how "creepy" she found Trump during that debate, and how her "skin crawled." Chyeah! As if Hillary "We Came, We Saw, He Died" Clinton felt that instead of pure rage for a single second. And if she had felt that, is someone who's creeped out by someone standing "too close" to her personal space the type of person we want having to deal with North Korea? LOL

    That debate was magic. Just before they went on stage, Trump had pulled the first ambush press conference when he live streamed the his statement alongside the Clinton’s rape victims. Trump made the ultimate comeback that night: “because you’d be in jail”.

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  59. 2Mintzin1 says:
    @the one they call Desanex
    The movie version of Norwood, made in 1970, was enjoyable if you could stand Mac Davis’s corny songs. A great cast included Glen Campbell, Kim Darby, Joe Namath, and the beautiful Tisha Sterling, daughter of Ann Sothern and Robert Sterling.

    I’ll have to look that up…hope Campbell did a better acting job than in “True Grit,” where he was pretty terrible. Darby was fine in that movie, but too old for the part, and too pretty.

    I always thought a film of “Dog of the South” could succeed, if done right. Maybe a Coen Bros. production would work?
    Steve Buscemi for the lead.

    John Goodman as the Doctor.

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    'Masters of Atlantis' is one of the funniest books I've ever read. I read somewhere that David Cross really likes it. His politics are highly annoying, but he's a pretty good comic actor. Maybe he could play Squanto.

    Uh-oh. I did a search and it looks like Cross told Michael Cera about it, and Cera wrote a screenplay. They better not screw it up.
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  60. @Anonymous
    Couldn't they just make a turban with fiberglass resin in the fabric? Sounds like that would make for a pretty good "helmet".

    I think we need to lay the law down on them.

    Sikh and ye shall be fined.

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  61. @Anon 2
    In 2013 Czech president Zeman recommended a wider
    use of 'Czechia'.

    In 2017 Google switched to Czechia on Google Maps.
    Czechia is becoming increasingly popular. I have Czech
    relatives (by marriage), and they seem to like the term.

    Czechia is analogous to Slovakia and Slovenia. The -ia ending
    is popular in Slavonic names. By the way, the names Slovakia,
    Slovenia, and even the term Slavonic are all derived from
    'slovo' which means 'word' in Slavonic languages. Hence the
    Slavs are literally 'people of the word'

    By the way, the names Slovakia,
    Slovenia, and even the term Slavonic are all derived from
    ‘slovo’ which means ‘word’ in Slavonic languages. Hence the
    Slavs are literally ‘people of the word’

    Really?

    I thought those names derived from the Slavic word for their group: Slaveni/Sloveni (Slavs, in English), meaning something like “the great ones” or “the exalted ones.”

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  62. @Pericles
    Czeching out now.

    Or as Ice Cube would put it: Chickity-Czech yo self before you wreck yo self.

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  63. Whenever I see clips from the 2000 campaign, all I can think of is how simple and almost quaint everything seemed from that time. The biggest problem we had was Y2K, which of course turned out to be a hoax. I remember going to Rite-Aid on December 31, 1999, and buying a case of bottled water, a flashlight and batteries. I was prepared to endure the end of the world.

    A mere 17 years later and the world seems like it has gone absolutely berserk. Can you imagine if someone in the audience at that debate talked about transgenderism or gay marriage? It’s unfathomable. It’s as if we went into hyper-drive, certainly after 9-11.

    I miss the good old days.

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    Too true

    A mere 17 years later and the world seems like it has gone absolutely berserk.
     
    a lot of these outrages can be credited to BHO

    he really did "fundamentally transform America"

    I read so many right of center pundits saying he was the worst president ever or at least since Carter. In fact he was incredibly successful if you apprehend that his true goal was to dismantle old America brick by brick, setting the country on the path to be a third world hellhole

    Of course Obama never had an original thought in his head, he was just ticking every box on the Left's wishlist. Apart from the revoking the second amendment there was no Leftist dream that went unfulfilled.
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  64. @JohnnyWalker123
    Iraq.

    Maybe Gore would've been a bit more careful about inflating the subprime mortgage bubble. Clinton allowed some level of inflation during the 90s, but Bush was far more reckless during his administration.

    Also, numerous FBI warnings were given to Bush prior to 9/11. He ignored those warnings, at one time telling them that "you've covered your @ss." I wonder if Gore would've been so reckless. Maybe 9/11 wouldn't have happened.

    I remember Gore wanted to spend more on reducing the deficit instead of tax cuts. So maybe our national debt would be smaller today. Bush spent $5 trillion on Iraq (according to a study by Professor Bilmes).

    On the other hand, Gore probably would've been equally "globalist" (ie useless) on immigration and trade. Gore was very supportive of NAFTA. He likely would've let Wall Street run amok too. The Clinton administration was always on board with the neo-liberal/globalist/financier agenda, but not quite so reckless/stupid as the Bush administration. Bush was the very embodiment of the movie Idiocracy.

    Also, numerous FBI warnings were given to Bush prior to 9/11. He ignored those warnings, at one time telling them that “you’ve covered your @ss.” I wonder if Gore would’ve been so reckless. Maybe 9/11 wouldn’t have happened.

    This is really reaching. I can’t see president Gore doing anything real to stop it like profiling/surveiling Arabs in flight schools or canceling Arab visas or going alpha male on Saudi Arabia.

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  65. @Sam Haysom
    That's such a Hollywood answer. It reminds me of scott Norwood the bills kicker who cost the Bills a super bowl.

    It’s a bit much to blame everything on Norwood. If you lose the game because of a bad call, or a missed kick, then you weren’t winning by enough to begin with. See the Giants two SB victories over the Patriots; both games turned on one freak play, as did the Patriots win over the Seahawks. The Bills also managed to lose 3 other SuperBowls without Norwood’s help.

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  66. @Hapalong Cassidy
    I always chalked up Gore's loss to his unabashedly anti-2nd amendment statements losing him West Virginia, which had gone blue in every previous election except the Reagan landslide in 84.

    Right. And he also lost his home state of Tennessee probably for the same reason.

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  67. The great thing about the 2000 election is that it was so close that any assertion I want to make about what cost Gore the election can’t be wholly disproven. (I noticed that when I got a press release from a Sikh-American political action committee arguing that Gore endorsing motorcycle helmets laws — Sikhs love motorcycles and hate helmet laws because of their sacred turbans — had cost Gore victory, and their math wasn’t totally implausible.)

    2016 wasn’t quite as close, but it was close enough that the New York Times likes to go around repeating the assertion that $4,500 in Russian Google ads stole the election, and its subscribers nod in agreement.

    Ha ha — great stuff!

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  68. @NickG

    To be fair to the commenter, Dingle and Dingell would be pronounced exactly the same.
     
    I'm English and most certainly wouldn't pronounce them the same.

    I’m American and I would. And there are several times as many English speakers here as there are in the U.K. (Excluding California, of course ;)

    But I’d defer to you on the proper use of Urdu and Arabic, your country’s new languages. Here we speak Spanish, I mean English, like good Americans.

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  69. Alden says:
    @D. K.
    If Dukakis had not blown a 17-point lead, coming out of the Democratic Convention, in 1988, we sure would be. We would have been spared Bush the Elder, the Clintons, Al Gore, Bush the Younger and, presumably, both Obama and Trump. There would have been no Persian Gulf War, no American troops in Saudi Arabia, no al-Queda, no World Trade Center bombing, no Oklahoma City bombing, no 9/11, no International War on Terrorism, no USA PATRIOT Act, no Afghanistan War, no Iraq War, no faux Arab Spring, no Libyan Civil War, no Syrian Civil War, no influx of millions of (mostly fake, mostly Muslim) refugees into Europe, etc. We could have avoided all of that, if only Governor Dukakis had not made a 35-year-old political neophyte, Susan "Have I mentioned yet that I am a rape survivor?" Estrich, his presidential-campaign manager, to face off against an amoral political professional, Lee Atwater. In answer to your actual question, though, yes, Al Gore, for all of his faults, would have spared us the Iraq War, et. seq.

    Estrich’s column was one of the reasons I stopped reading the Los Angeles Slimes and some magazines. Thanks be to God, the internet came along about that time. Didn’t know she was a rape survivor. What happened? Did somebody grope her on a bus?? Whoops, forgot Jewish women never ride pubic transit. Maybe somebody brushed past her in a line somewhere.

    When the Michael Jackson scandal came out, she claimed that she met him somewhere or other and knew immediately that he was a creepy weirdo. She teaches law. No wonder the country is in such a mess. She and her evil ilk teach law, students become attorneys and attorneys become the minions of Satan, judges.

    Around the time Estrich was running Dukasis campaign and for about 10 more years it was very ,very fashionable for Jewish women to suddenly remember rape or molestation or some unwanted approach that scarred them for life. Even that ugly dwarf Barbara Boxer dredged up a memory from her CUNY days. CUNY Communist university of New York.

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  70. @Ganderson
    Tell that to Naomi Wolf! Great Version- Alpine Valley?

    May have been Rich Stadium in Buffalo, definitely ’89, though.

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  71. @JohnnyWalker123
    I remember in Palm Beach County, lots of elderly Jews accidentally voted for Pat Buchanan because they misunderstood the Butterfly ballot. A lot of them were horrified when they found out.

    Remember all the time they spent arguing about dimpled chads, hanging chads, etc?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_qxKIS9d0I

    No major Florida law firms wouldn't represent Gore because they were worried Governor Jeb Bush would deny them state contracts.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dhE8oYFD2E

    I remember in Palm Beach County, lots of elderly Jews accidentally voted for Pat Buchanan because they misunderstood the Butterfly ballot. A lot of them were horrified when they found out

    Voter error is just part of the process and un-correctable after the fact. If this event wasn’t something that seemingly undermined the legitimacy of the Presidency of Bush the Lesser we never would have heard about it.

    Keep in mind that the elderly Jews were “horrified” by their votes because of the calumny against Buchanan that he’s a crypto-NAZI spread by their tribesmen so that the latter could wrest control of vital parts of the conservative movement for their own ends. I will not shed a tear for them.

    I’m a young-ish, experienced voter and I made a mistake two cycles ago by failing to vote “Yes” for the retention of a County Court Judge whom I like and with whom I’m friendly. I knew within 2 minutes or so that I just didn’t see the part of the push-screen where the retention vote was listed and then forgot about the retention issue on the ballot. Oh well.

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  72. @Anon 2
    In 2013 Czech president Zeman recommended a wider
    use of 'Czechia'.

    In 2017 Google switched to Czechia on Google Maps.
    Czechia is becoming increasingly popular. I have Czech
    relatives (by marriage), and they seem to like the term.

    Czechia is analogous to Slovakia and Slovenia. The -ia ending
    is popular in Slavonic names. By the way, the names Slovakia,
    Slovenia, and even the term Slavonic are all derived from
    'slovo' which means 'word' in Slavonic languages. Hence the
    Slavs are literally 'people of the word'

    In 2013 Czech president Zeman recommended a wider use of ‘Czechia’.

    In 2017 Google switched to Czechia on Google Maps. Czechia is becoming increasingly popular. I have Czech relatives (by marriage), and they seem to like the term.

    Czechia is analogous to Slovakia and Slovenia. The -ia ending is popular in Slavonic names. By the way, the names Slovakia, Slovenia, and even the term Slavonic are all derived from ‘slovo’ which means ‘word’ in Slavonic languages. Hence the Slavs are literally ‘people of the word’

    Yeah, but you also have Germany, Italy, and Hungary and Poland, Switzerland, England, and Deutschland.

    The one Czech I know still says Czech Republic, but I think I prefer Czechland.

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  73. @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's a question. If Gore had won the 2000 election, would America be better off today?

    If Gore had won the 2000 election, would America be better off today?

    Counter-factual history is a flyer. History is complicated.

    Since we’ve have a quasi-nationalist–however confused–in Trump as a result of the post-2000 historical play out, it’s hard to argue the Gore path would have been better.

    The only way I think things might have been better with Gore, is that if Gore had reacted to 911 by inviting in millions of muslims I think Republicans/conservatives would have reacted much more skeptically, hostilely. While whatever “invade the world” program Gore wanted to enact would have had majority conservative support, any attempt Gore made to do “invite the world” would have generated intense conservative opposition.

    The natural human (and conservative) reaction to 911 is “what are those @!$%&s doing here!” Party loyalty allowed Bush to push some really insane utopian immigration liberalism without generating the same degree of conservative–public–opposition.

    I think we’d be better off by having far fewer muslims in the US, and much more solid conservative immigration-of-incompatibles skepticism.

    So perhaps US conservatism in general would be further down the necessary path? But counter-factuals … guessing game.

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  74. @Danindc
    Iraq would be better off.

    We wouldn't have Trump most likely so we would be kicking the can down the road...which we may be doing now but maybe not

    Iraq would be better off.

    Oh my sweet, sweet Summer Child.

    The pre-existing desire for war in Iraq was largely bipartisan – you’d have gotten the same War with Gore in office, just with more of a gloss of a humanitarian casus belli from the beginning and the media insisting that it was going swimmingly for an indefinite period of time in order to shore up Gore’s domestic political situation.

    I’m old enough to recall that one of the Democrats’ criticisms of Bush the Greater was that he didn’t have the guts to “go in there” and “finish off” Saddam Hussein.

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  75. @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's a question. If Gore had won the 2000 election, would America be better off today?

    If “ifs” and “buts” were candy and nuts, we’d have Christmas everyday.

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  76. CJ says:

    The debate over whether Gore would have actually been a worse president than Bush is interesting if moot. What is most striking about the last 25 or so years of presidential elections is how scarily bad so many of the candidates have been. Gore is indeed an “unhinged nut” who quite possibly would have been even worse than GWB. John Kerry is a liar, a creep, a phony … and would have probably made all the same mistakes the second-term George W. Bush did, and maybe worse. John McCain had no business being anywhere near the White House. He seriously would have been even worse than Obama, and believe me I am no fan of Barack. Romney is clearly an unusually capable person, but his recent behavior indicates that he is every bit the elitist financial sector shill his critics said he was. The people who stayed away from the polls in 2012 and then came out to elect Trump in 2016 — they weren’t wrong. Reagan and Trump look like giants among pygmies.

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  77. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Polynices
    If you're going to pedantically correct someone, try not being completely wrong. Czechia is what the nation itself has decided to call itself in English. You could even Google it.

    You could even Google it.

    Only the little people google! – Reg Helmsley

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  78. @D. K.
    If Dukakis had not blown a 17-point lead, coming out of the Democratic Convention, in 1988, we sure would be. We would have been spared Bush the Elder, the Clintons, Al Gore, Bush the Younger and, presumably, both Obama and Trump. There would have been no Persian Gulf War, no American troops in Saudi Arabia, no al-Queda, no World Trade Center bombing, no Oklahoma City bombing, no 9/11, no International War on Terrorism, no USA PATRIOT Act, no Afghanistan War, no Iraq War, no faux Arab Spring, no Libyan Civil War, no Syrian Civil War, no influx of millions of (mostly fake, mostly Muslim) refugees into Europe, etc. We could have avoided all of that, if only Governor Dukakis had not made a 35-year-old political neophyte, Susan "Have I mentioned yet that I am a rape survivor?" Estrich, his presidential-campaign manager, to face off against an amoral political professional, Lee Atwater. In answer to your actual question, though, yes, Al Gore, for all of his faults, would have spared us the Iraq War, et. seq.

    We could have avoided all of that, if only Governor Dukakis had not made a 35-year-old political neophyte, Susan “Have I mentioned yet that I am a rape survivor?” Estrich, his presidential-campaign manager, to face off against an amoral political professional, Lee Atwater.

    This is silly – the more ethical than the winner pose is just a post hoc justification for losing Democrats before they had enough control of the narrative and secret police apparatus to sell Dude, Russia Stole My Election.

    I’ve watched multiple exposes/documentaries that touch on the Willie Horton advertisement and none have ever been able to persuade me that the issue of Willie Horton and the Massachusetts prison furlough program were anything other than legitimate, material expressions of the criminal-coddling that was au courant with liberals during that time (and is gaining purchase now with BLM exercising influence on elected Democrats) and contributed to the crime wave of the 60s-90s.

    The main argument seems to be that Willie Horton was a black man who committed violent crimes before and after the prison furlough as if black crime was somehow atypical and referring to it gave rise to suppressed prejudices of whites. The fact of the matter was that blacks and young-ish black men were and remain responsible for a boatload of violent crime and whites were right to be concerned about that. Then there’s some pivot to the argument that using the name “Willie” is more associated with underclass blacks than his full given name of “William” on the rapist/murderer’s sayso that he went by the princely name of “William” in the ghettos he inhabited.

    You really have to wonder about the sanity of someone who prizes the “rehabilitation” of a violent murderer over the safety of the general public let alone such a man’s fitness for a public office.

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    From "The New York Times" (7/5/1988):

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    "The furlough program has long been a source of controversy in Massachusetts. As the Dukakis campaign is quick to note, it began in 1972 under a Republican Governor, Frank Sargent. And the most controversial part of the program, the practice of giving furloughs to first-degree murderers sentenced to life without parole, was the result of a decision by the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts, which held that such inmates were eligible under the 1972 law that created the program because the statute did not exclude them."

    ***

    [ http://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/05/us/prison-furloughs-in-massachusetts-threaten-dukakis-record-on-crime.html ]

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    That does seem to be all they do, b*$#@ and moan about how life's not fair, where's their safe spaces, and they need a bogeyman to make it all okay.

    Maybe, just maybe, when the voters started to notice Dukakis, he wasn't all that appealing and people didn't want him anywhere near the White House. Traditionally voters don't start following the election till around Labor Day and not during the dog days of summer.

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  79. hyperbola says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Democratic operatives in Jacksonville in 2000 sent busloads of blacks to the polls, but they told them to vote for somebody on every page. The long list of Presidential candidates sprawled across more than one page, so a lot of voters in heavily black districts invalidated their ballots by voting for two Presidential candidates.

    Any evidence to back up that assertion?

    A Chat with Lance deHaven-Smith
    Al Gore really did beat George W. Bush in 2000. Six years on, this is still a problem?

    After spending 36 days in the fall of 2000 in thrall to politicians, pundits and the press, Americans probably thought they knew all about the hanging, dangling and pregnant chads that helped decide the presidential election. Turns out, those chads only distracted attention from much more grievous breakdowns during the 2000 election…..

    …. It’s an embarrassing outcome for George Bush because it showed that Gore had gotten more votes. Everybody had thought that the chads were where all the bad ballots were, but it turned out that the ones that were the most decisive were write-in ballots where people would check Gore and write Gore in, and the machine kicked those out. There were 175,000 votes overall that were so-called “spoiled ballots.” About two-thirds of the spoiled ballots were over-votes; many or most of them would have been write-in over-votes, where people had punched and written in a candidate’s name. And nobody looked at this, not even the Florida Supreme Court in the last decision it made requiring a statewide recount. Nobody had thought about it except Judge Terry Lewis, who was overseeing the statewide recount when it was halted by the U.S. Supreme Court. The write-in over-votes have really not gotten much attention. Those votes are not ambiguous. When you see Gore picked and then Gore written in, there’s not a question in your mind who this person was voting for. When you go through those, they’re unambiguous: Bush got some of those votes, but they were overwhelmingly for Gore. For example, in an analysis of the 2.7 million votes that had been cast in Florida’s eight largest counties, The Washington Post found that Gore’s name was punched on 46,000 of the over-vote ballots it, while Bush’s name was marked on only 17,000….

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    Proving once again that the left tail of Republican voters are smarter than the left tail of Democratic voters.
    , @anonymous

    When you go through those, they’re unambiguous: Bush got some of those votes, but they were overwhelmingly for Gore.
     
    Why should this error be overwhelmingly for one canidate in such a close race? Sounds like the tamperers didn’t know the rules.
    , @Logan
    Unless I'm confused, at the time the rules required that overvotes not be counted.

    Florida law now provides that an overvote for one candidate IS counted for him. But you simply can't show up after an election is held and complain that your side "really" won if used some other method of counting had been used than what the rules required going into the election.

    Here's an interesting article.

    http://www.sptimes.com/News/111201/Lostvotes/Without_overvotes_Gor.shtml
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  80. hyperbola says:

    Perhaps we should go a bit further back and ask whether things would be different if Americans had known that Reagan/Bush committed treason in 1980 to try to get elected.

    Shamir’s October Surprise Admission

    https://consortiumnews.com/2012/07/03/shamirs-october-surprise-admission/

    …. ex-Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir offered the stunning confirmation that “of course” an October Surprise plot had blocked President Jimmy Carter from gaining the release of 52 U.S. hostages in Iran, thus helping Ronald Reagan win the presidency in 1980….
    ______________________________________________________________

    One thing we probably would not have had is Iran-gate and the first several million latino refugees that were produced by the ZionCons.

    How Neocons Destabilized Europe

    https://consortiumnews.com/2015/09/07/how-neocons-destabilized-europe/

    …. When I first encountered the neocons in the 1980s, they had been given Central America to play with. President Ronald Reagan had credentialed many of them, bringing into the U.S. government neocon luminaries such as Elliott Abrams and Robert Kagan. But Reagan mostly kept them out of the big-power realms: the Mideast and Europe.

    Those strategic areas went to the “adults,” people like James Baker, George Shultz, Philip Habib and Brent Scowcroft. The poor Central Americans, as they tried to shed generations of repression and backwardness imposed by brutal right-wing oligarchies, faced U.S. neocon ideologues who unleashed death squads and even genocide against peasants, students and workers.

    The result not surprisingly was a flood of refugees, especially from El Salvador and Guatemala, northward to the United States. The neocon “success” in the 1980s, crushing progressive social movements and reinforcing the oligarchic controls, left most countries of Central America in the grip of corrupt regimes and crime syndicates, periodically driving more waves of what Reagan called “feet people” through Mexico to the southern U.S. border…..
    ___________________________________________________________________

    And who knows, maybe we would not have had phony Zion-Con wars in Iraq, Libya, Syria, ….

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  81. Bilgeman says:

    The wonderful thing about the 2000 election was listening to the whines and snivels and yammering about how it was a “selection” and that “Gore had won the POPULAR vote”.

    And then, so who did they run in 2004? Was it the man who had “won the POPULAR vote”?

    Was it the guy whose fore-ordained ascendancy into the White House was STOLEN by the SCOTUS?

    Nope…it was that flatulent buffoon John F. Kerry and that loathsome ass-clown Ambulance-Chaser from North Carolina, John Edwards, who got promptly clobbered senseless by W and my main man, Darth Cheney.

    So much for all THAT noise, huh?

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  82. @Steve from Detroit
    Whenever I see clips from the 2000 campaign, all I can think of is how simple and almost quaint everything seemed from that time. The biggest problem we had was Y2K, which of course turned out to be a hoax. I remember going to Rite-Aid on December 31, 1999, and buying a case of bottled water, a flashlight and batteries. I was prepared to endure the end of the world.

    A mere 17 years later and the world seems like it has gone absolutely berserk. Can you imagine if someone in the audience at that debate talked about transgenderism or gay marriage? It's unfathomable. It's as if we went into hyper-drive, certainly after 9-11.

    I miss the good old days.

    Too true

    A mere 17 years later and the world seems like it has gone absolutely berserk.

    a lot of these outrages can be credited to BHO

    he really did “fundamentally transform America”

    I read so many right of center pundits saying he was the worst president ever or at least since Carter. In fact he was incredibly successful if you apprehend that his true goal was to dismantle old America brick by brick, setting the country on the path to be a third world hellhole

    Of course Obama never had an original thought in his head, he was just ticking every box on the Left’s wishlist. Apart from the revoking the second amendment there was no Leftist dream that went unfulfilled.

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    Of course Obama never had an original thought in his head, he was just ticking every box on the Left’s wishlist. Apart from the revoking the second amendment there was no Leftist dream that went unfulfilled.
     
    This is woefully uninformed. Just read what actual leftists thought of him. There were plenty of wishes that went unfulfilled.
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  83. Dr. X says:
    @D. K.
    If Dukakis had not blown a 17-point lead, coming out of the Democratic Convention, in 1988, we sure would be. We would have been spared Bush the Elder, the Clintons, Al Gore, Bush the Younger and, presumably, both Obama and Trump. There would have been no Persian Gulf War, no American troops in Saudi Arabia, no al-Queda, no World Trade Center bombing, no Oklahoma City bombing, no 9/11, no International War on Terrorism, no USA PATRIOT Act, no Afghanistan War, no Iraq War, no faux Arab Spring, no Libyan Civil War, no Syrian Civil War, no influx of millions of (mostly fake, mostly Muslim) refugees into Europe, etc. We could have avoided all of that, if only Governor Dukakis had not made a 35-year-old political neophyte, Susan "Have I mentioned yet that I am a rape survivor?" Estrich, his presidential-campaign manager, to face off against an amoral political professional, Lee Atwater. In answer to your actual question, though, yes, Al Gore, for all of his faults, would have spared us the Iraq War, et. seq.

    In answer to your actual question, though, yes, Al Gore, for all of his faults, would have spared us the Iraq War, et. seq.

    Don’t be so sure. Remember Gore was a member of the Clinton administration that bombed Serbia (…and when were we ever attacked by Serbs?) and bombed Iraq in Operation Desert Fox, the most blatant wag-the-dog military action ever.

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    Remember Gore was a member of the Clinton administration that bombed Serbia...
     
    Not to mention a member of the party that invented nuclear war and introduced it to the world-- on women and children.
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  84. D. K. says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    We could have avoided all of that, if only Governor Dukakis had not made a 35-year-old political neophyte, Susan “Have I mentioned yet that I am a rape survivor?” Estrich, his presidential-campaign manager, to face off against an amoral political professional, Lee Atwater.
     
    This is silly - the more ethical than the winner pose is just a post hoc justification for losing Democrats before they had enough control of the narrative and secret police apparatus to sell Dude, Russia Stole My Election.

    I've watched multiple exposes/documentaries that touch on the Willie Horton advertisement and none have ever been able to persuade me that the issue of Willie Horton and the Massachusetts prison furlough program were anything other than legitimate, material expressions of the criminal-coddling that was au courant with liberals during that time (and is gaining purchase now with BLM exercising influence on elected Democrats) and contributed to the crime wave of the 60s-90s.

    The main argument seems to be that Willie Horton was a black man who committed violent crimes before and after the prison furlough as if black crime was somehow atypical and referring to it gave rise to suppressed prejudices of whites. The fact of the matter was that blacks and young-ish black men were and remain responsible for a boatload of violent crime and whites were right to be concerned about that. Then there's some pivot to the argument that using the name "Willie" is more associated with underclass blacks than his full given name of "William" on the rapist/murderer's sayso that he went by the princely name of "William" in the ghettos he inhabited.

    You really have to wonder about the sanity of someone who prizes the "rehabilitation" of a violent murderer over the safety of the general public let alone such a man's fitness for a public office.

    From “The New York Times” (7/5/1988):

    ***

    “The furlough program has long been a source of controversy in Massachusetts. As the Dukakis campaign is quick to note, it began in 1972 under a Republican Governor, Frank Sargent. And the most controversial part of the program, the practice of giving furloughs to first-degree murderers sentenced to life without parole, was the result of a decision by the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts, which held that such inmates were eligible under the 1972 law that created the program because the statute did not exclude them.”

    ***

    [ @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    So you just helped to make the dude's point that rather than constructively act like a traditional law and order governor, Dukakis pulls the ol' "Hey don't blame me, it's the mean waskaly Republicans fault for the program." Fair enough, but what DUKAKIS do when given the chance to act more law and order? Nothing.

    This is "Waaaa! boo hoo hoo! My candidate didn't win!" Who cares?

    Dukakis didn't have to give Willie Horton a furlough. He could've simply turned him down. Remember: Bill Clinton, rather than risk his political career in '92 election, returned home to personally sign a death penalty for a convicted criminal (who was mentally retarded, by the way). No pardon or reprieve for that one. Clinton clearly had in mind the perceived weakness of Dukakis in '88. How many death penalties did Dukakis personally sign while governor in MA? And if he did sign them, how does his record stack up vs. other governors of high crime states during that era?

    FACT: GHWBush wasn't the first to bring up the furlough program. The program was first brought up by Al Gore in the primaries vs Dukakis.

    FACT: Whoever said that MA was a low crime state in the '80's and '90's? Dukakis wasn't well known as a law and order governor.

    Who gives a...about Dukakis at this stage anyway? What'd he ever do? Another light weight governor from MA, nothing less and nothing more.
    , @Alec Leamas
    IIRC, the Massachusetts legislature passed a "patch" to exclude first degree murderers from the furlough program and Dukakis vetoed it because it wouldn't further the "rehabilitative" goals of the program.

    So you can't really propose that this was some existing program that Dukakis was just too busy to notice, or that the Horton incident occurred as a result of the Courts taking the matter out of his hands. Dukakis was a criminal-coddler and a black crime apologist (these things go hand in hand) at the zenith of the worst wave of violent crime in modern history. He deserved every ounce of the Willie Horton commercial and to have his judgment and fitness questioned by the furlough program - full stop. As is usual, accusations of racism are the first refuge of the scoundrel.
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  • Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @NickG

    To be fair to the commenter, Dingle and Dingell would be pronounced exactly the same.
     
    I'm English and most certainly wouldn't pronounce them the same.

    Well, he was MY congressman, for about 50 years, and it was pronounced Dingle.

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  • Would Gore have been worse than Bush?

    Hard to say, he was crazily self-righteous about his pet issues but so was Bush about his.
    Near toss-up I say.

    Early in the Bush presidency a lot of mental effort was expended on trying to divine Bush’s motivation for promoting amnesty.

    Some said it was a brilliant strategy to sway Hispanics in swing state Florida, courtesy of Bush’s brain Rove.
    Others said it was his way of continuing his dad’s phony compassionate Conservatism or his doing the bidding of chamber of commerce types eager for cheap labor.

    Probably all of the above. The Bushes believes in open borders as all good Liberals believe in the all the other tenets of their religion.

    For all his faults I don’t think Gore would have given us middle east wars that have lasted this long if only because Republicans would have opposed him instead of cheering him on as they did with Bush.

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  • @2Mintzin1
    I'll have to look that up...hope Campbell did a better acting job than in "True Grit," where he was pretty terrible. Darby was fine in that movie, but too old for the part, and too pretty.

    I always thought a film of "Dog of the South" could succeed, if done right. Maybe a Coen Bros. production would work?
    Steve Buscemi for the lead.

    John Goodman as the Doctor.

    ‘Masters of Atlantis’ is one of the funniest books I’ve ever read. I read somewhere that David Cross really likes it. His politics are highly annoying, but he’s a pretty good comic actor. Maybe he could play Squanto.

    Uh-oh. I did a search and it looks like Cross told Michael Cera about it, and Cera wrote a screenplay. They better not screw it up.

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  • @Flip
    I think Governor Jeb! Bush purging the voter rolls in FL made all the difference.

    “Purging the voter rolls” means, of course, “enforcing the law.” Of course, Democrats don’t see the need for such an archaic, reactionary practice, unless some sort of political point can be scored.

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  • FPD72 says:
    @hyperbola
    Any evidence to back up that assertion?

    A Chat with Lance deHaven-Smith
    Al Gore really did beat George W. Bush in 2000. Six years on, this is still a problem?

    After spending 36 days in the fall of 2000 in thrall to politicians, pundits and the press, Americans probably thought they knew all about the hanging, dangling and pregnant chads that helped decide the presidential election. Turns out, those chads only distracted attention from much more grievous breakdowns during the 2000 election.....

    .... It’s an embarrassing outcome for George Bush because it showed that Gore had gotten more votes. Everybody had thought that the chads were where all the bad ballots were, but it turned out that the ones that were the most decisive were write-in ballots where people would check Gore and write Gore in, and the machine kicked those out. There were 175,000 votes overall that were so-called “spoiled ballots.” About two-thirds of the spoiled ballots were over-votes; many or most of them would have been write-in over-votes, where people had punched and written in a candidate’s name. And nobody looked at this, not even the Florida Supreme Court in the last decision it made requiring a statewide recount. Nobody had thought about it except Judge Terry Lewis, who was overseeing the statewide recount when it was halted by the U.S. Supreme Court. The write-in over-votes have really not gotten much attention. Those votes are not ambiguous. When you see Gore picked and then Gore written in, there’s not a question in your mind who this person was voting for. When you go through those, they’re unambiguous: Bush got some of those votes, but they were overwhelmingly for Gore. For example, in an analysis of the 2.7 million votes that had been cast in Florida’s eight largest counties, The Washington Post found that Gore’s name was punched on 46,000 of the over-vote ballots it, while Bush’s name was marked on only 17,000....

    Proving once again that the left tail of Republican voters are smarter than the left tail of Democratic voters.

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  • anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @hyperbola
    Any evidence to back up that assertion?

    A Chat with Lance deHaven-Smith
    Al Gore really did beat George W. Bush in 2000. Six years on, this is still a problem?

    After spending 36 days in the fall of 2000 in thrall to politicians, pundits and the press, Americans probably thought they knew all about the hanging, dangling and pregnant chads that helped decide the presidential election. Turns out, those chads only distracted attention from much more grievous breakdowns during the 2000 election.....

    .... It’s an embarrassing outcome for George Bush because it showed that Gore had gotten more votes. Everybody had thought that the chads were where all the bad ballots were, but it turned out that the ones that were the most decisive were write-in ballots where people would check Gore and write Gore in, and the machine kicked those out. There were 175,000 votes overall that were so-called “spoiled ballots.” About two-thirds of the spoiled ballots were over-votes; many or most of them would have been write-in over-votes, where people had punched and written in a candidate’s name. And nobody looked at this, not even the Florida Supreme Court in the last decision it made requiring a statewide recount. Nobody had thought about it except Judge Terry Lewis, who was overseeing the statewide recount when it was halted by the U.S. Supreme Court. The write-in over-votes have really not gotten much attention. Those votes are not ambiguous. When you see Gore picked and then Gore written in, there’s not a question in your mind who this person was voting for. When you go through those, they’re unambiguous: Bush got some of those votes, but they were overwhelmingly for Gore. For example, in an analysis of the 2.7 million votes that had been cast in Florida’s eight largest counties, The Washington Post found that Gore’s name was punched on 46,000 of the over-vote ballots it, while Bush’s name was marked on only 17,000....

    When you go through those, they’re unambiguous: Bush got some of those votes, but they were overwhelmingly for Gore.

    Why should this error be overwhelmingly for one canidate in such a close race? Sounds like the tamperers didn’t know the rules.

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  • @jesse helms think-alike
    Too true

    A mere 17 years later and the world seems like it has gone absolutely berserk.
     
    a lot of these outrages can be credited to BHO

    he really did "fundamentally transform America"

    I read so many right of center pundits saying he was the worst president ever or at least since Carter. In fact he was incredibly successful if you apprehend that his true goal was to dismantle old America brick by brick, setting the country on the path to be a third world hellhole

    Of course Obama never had an original thought in his head, he was just ticking every box on the Left's wishlist. Apart from the revoking the second amendment there was no Leftist dream that went unfulfilled.

    Of course Obama never had an original thought in his head, he was just ticking every box on the Left’s wishlist. Apart from the revoking the second amendment there was no Leftist dream that went unfulfilled.

    This is woefully uninformed. Just read what actual leftists thought of him. There were plenty of wishes that went unfulfilled.

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  • @D. K.
    From "The New York Times" (7/5/1988):

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    "The furlough program has long been a source of controversy in Massachusetts. As the Dukakis campaign is quick to note, it began in 1972 under a Republican Governor, Frank Sargent. And the most controversial part of the program, the practice of giving furloughs to first-degree murderers sentenced to life without parole, was the result of a decision by the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts, which held that such inmates were eligible under the 1972 law that created the program because the statute did not exclude them."

    ***

    [ http://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/05/us/prison-furloughs-in-massachusetts-threaten-dukakis-record-on-crime.html ]

    So you just helped to make the dude’s point that rather than constructively act like a traditional law and order governor, Dukakis pulls the ol’ “Hey don’t blame me, it’s the mean waskaly Republicans fault for the program.” Fair enough, but what DUKAKIS do when given the chance to act more law and order? Nothing.

    This is “Waaaa! boo hoo hoo! My candidate didn’t win!” Who cares?

    Dukakis didn’t have to give Willie Horton a furlough. He could’ve simply turned him down. Remember: Bill Clinton, rather than risk his political career in ’92 election, returned home to personally sign a death penalty for a convicted criminal (who was mentally retarded, by the way). No pardon or reprieve for that one. Clinton clearly had in mind the perceived weakness of Dukakis in ’88. How many death penalties did Dukakis personally sign while governor in MA? And if he did sign them, how does his record stack up vs. other governors of high crime states during that era?

    FACT: GHWBush wasn’t the first to bring up the furlough program. The program was first brought up by Al Gore in the primaries vs Dukakis.

    FACT: Whoever said that MA was a low crime state in the ’80′s and ’90′s? Dukakis wasn’t well known as a law and order governor.

    Who gives a…about Dukakis at this stage anyway? What’d he ever do? Another light weight governor from MA, nothing less and nothing more.

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  • @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    We could have avoided all of that, if only Governor Dukakis had not made a 35-year-old political neophyte, Susan “Have I mentioned yet that I am a rape survivor?” Estrich, his presidential-campaign manager, to face off against an amoral political professional, Lee Atwater.
     
    This is silly - the more ethical than the winner pose is just a post hoc justification for losing Democrats before they had enough control of the narrative and secret police apparatus to sell Dude, Russia Stole My Election.

    I've watched multiple exposes/documentaries that touch on the Willie Horton advertisement and none have ever been able to persuade me that the issue of Willie Horton and the Massachusetts prison furlough program were anything other than legitimate, material expressions of the criminal-coddling that was au courant with liberals during that time (and is gaining purchase now with BLM exercising influence on elected Democrats) and contributed to the crime wave of the 60s-90s.

    The main argument seems to be that Willie Horton was a black man who committed violent crimes before and after the prison furlough as if black crime was somehow atypical and referring to it gave rise to suppressed prejudices of whites. The fact of the matter was that blacks and young-ish black men were and remain responsible for a boatload of violent crime and whites were right to be concerned about that. Then there's some pivot to the argument that using the name "Willie" is more associated with underclass blacks than his full given name of "William" on the rapist/murderer's sayso that he went by the princely name of "William" in the ghettos he inhabited.

    You really have to wonder about the sanity of someone who prizes the "rehabilitation" of a violent murderer over the safety of the general public let alone such a man's fitness for a public office.

    That does seem to be all they do, b*$#@ and moan about how life’s not fair, where’s their safe spaces, and they need a bogeyman to make it all okay.

    Maybe, just maybe, when the voters started to notice Dukakis, he wasn’t all that appealing and people didn’t want him anywhere near the White House. Traditionally voters don’t start following the election till around Labor Day and not during the dog days of summer.

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  • @D. K.
    From "The New York Times" (7/5/1988):

    ***

    "The furlough program has long been a source of controversy in Massachusetts. As the Dukakis campaign is quick to note, it began in 1972 under a Republican Governor, Frank Sargent. And the most controversial part of the program, the practice of giving furloughs to first-degree murderers sentenced to life without parole, was the result of a decision by the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts, which held that such inmates were eligible under the 1972 law that created the program because the statute did not exclude them."

    ***

    [ http://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/05/us/prison-furloughs-in-massachusetts-threaten-dukakis-record-on-crime.html ]

    IIRC, the Massachusetts legislature passed a “patch” to exclude first degree murderers from the furlough program and Dukakis vetoed it because it wouldn’t further the “rehabilitative” goals of the program.

    So you can’t really propose that this was some existing program that Dukakis was just too busy to notice, or that the Horton incident occurred as a result of the Courts taking the matter out of his hands. Dukakis was a criminal-coddler and a black crime apologist (these things go hand in hand) at the zenith of the worst wave of violent crime in modern history. He deserved every ounce of the Willie Horton commercial and to have his judgment and fitness questioned by the furlough program – full stop. As is usual, accusations of racism are the first refuge of the scoundrel.

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  • Joe Joe says:
    @Sam Haysom
    That's such a Hollywood answer. It reminds me of scott Norwood the bills kicker who cost the Bills a super bowl.

    Jim Kelley should have gotten the Bills much closer.

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  • And Norwood is a pretty comic name, too,

    I knew a Norwood in the service. He was from the Deep South, and it took him all day to pronounce it:
    “Noooorrrrrr-wooooouud”. The other Southerners took even longer.

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  • Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Langley
    La Griffe du Lion claims that more Floridians voted Democrat than Republican in 2000.

    The problem was that the Democrat elites had made the "butterfly" ballots too complicated for their base who invalidated their votes.

    http://lagriffedulion.f2s.com/elec2000.htm

    http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/election2k/pbc_tampering.htm

    I happened to be listening to Mike Reagan when he mentioned the letter he got 3 days after the election. That’s how I knew about it and found a link.

    After you read the article, doesn’t this make the most sense of what went down?

    I suspect Camille Paglia knew about it; she mentioned Robert Wexler, Dem congressman of Palm Beach during the election, and how he should be water-boarder until he confesses. Not really, I want him water-boarded! He probably organized the whole thing.

    I’m sure you’ll remember Gore un-conceded to Bush, he did after Palm Beach county finally released their fraudulent totals. With Palm Beach being the last county, it met the standard for fraud; you have to know two numbers, your guy’s vote total and his opponent’s if you accurately report the voting. So they had to wait and determine how many votes they either create or destroy.

    They decided destroying votes was the better way; creating voters like the dems in Chicago in ’60, left a paper trail. You could get a copy of the voter records and checkout where they lived. Like the 60+ that were the headstones in a cemetery; listed on the records in the same order the graves were.

    So by double punching the ballots, you get all the Bush votes destroyed.

    The fact Gore conceded implies that he wasn’t aware of the fix being in. If this had been a Republican operation, some reporter would of had a Woodward-Burnstien career for uncovering it….but with the dems doing it, NOBODY bothered to look.

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  • @anonymous

    When you go through those, they’re unambiguous: Bush got some of those votes, but they were overwhelmingly for Gore.
     
    Why should this error be overwhelmingly for one canidate in such a close race? Sounds like the tamperers didn’t know the rules.

    Nothing to do with tampering. Dumb Democrats and dumber than dumb Republicans.

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  • @Polynices
    If you're going to pedantically correct someone, try not being completely wrong. Czechia is what the nation itself has decided to call itself in English. You could even Google it.

    Czechia is what the nation itself has decided to call itself in English.

    Since when do Czechs who barely speak English get to tell us how to speak it? Česko sounds vastly better– in English. These PC cuckish concessions usually replace a much more euphonious English name, but in this case, it replaces two such monikers: Bohemia and Moravia.

    Let’s look at another cacophonous renaming, that of Belarus. That, and its immediate predecessor Byelorussia (remember them at the UN and Olympics?) translate as “White Russia”.

    And guess what– that’s what the Hungarians, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Finns, Swedes, Norwegians, Icelanders, Faeroe Islanders, Danes, Frisians, Dutch, Germans and Greeks call them in their own tongues. Because it sounds better. So why can’t we? We’re cucks.

    Germans don’t tell us to call them Deutsch. They’re German, alleman, nemetsky, saksa, németek, vācieši , Γερμανοί, etc. The term for this is exonymy, and it’s got a long and august history.

    So enjoy your Beijing duck, your Chennai shirt, your Sri Lanka tea, your Farsi rug, your Amharic and Thai cats, your Oh! Kolkata!, your Mumbai Sapphire gin, your Shroud of Torino, your Myanmar Shave. We’ll stick with tradition.

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  • I presumed that the commenter couldn’t remember the precise name of the bill, so he just made up “the Dingle-Norwood Bill.”

    There were competing Social Security bills introduced in the 98th Congress by Reps. Claude Pepper and J. J. Pickle.

    Really. You could look it up.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1983/03/10/us/required-reading-of-peppers-and-pickles.html

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    How did I forget chicken Кyїv?
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    Didn’t he lose because he didn’t power-kiss Oprah or something?

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  • Logan says:
    @hyperbola
    Any evidence to back up that assertion?

    A Chat with Lance deHaven-Smith
    Al Gore really did beat George W. Bush in 2000. Six years on, this is still a problem?

    After spending 36 days in the fall of 2000 in thrall to politicians, pundits and the press, Americans probably thought they knew all about the hanging, dangling and pregnant chads that helped decide the presidential election. Turns out, those chads only distracted attention from much more grievous breakdowns during the 2000 election.....

    .... It’s an embarrassing outcome for George Bush because it showed that Gore had gotten more votes. Everybody had thought that the chads were where all the bad ballots were, but it turned out that the ones that were the most decisive were write-in ballots where people would check Gore and write Gore in, and the machine kicked those out. There were 175,000 votes overall that were so-called “spoiled ballots.” About two-thirds of the spoiled ballots were over-votes; many or most of them would have been write-in over-votes, where people had punched and written in a candidate’s name. And nobody looked at this, not even the Florida Supreme Court in the last decision it made requiring a statewide recount. Nobody had thought about it except Judge Terry Lewis, who was overseeing the statewide recount when it was halted by the U.S. Supreme Court. The write-in over-votes have really not gotten much attention. Those votes are not ambiguous. When you see Gore picked and then Gore written in, there’s not a question in your mind who this person was voting for. When you go through those, they’re unambiguous: Bush got some of those votes, but they were overwhelmingly for Gore. For example, in an analysis of the 2.7 million votes that had been cast in Florida’s eight largest counties, The Washington Post found that Gore’s name was punched on 46,000 of the over-vote ballots it, while Bush’s name was marked on only 17,000....

    Unless I’m confused, at the time the rules required that overvotes not be counted.

    Florida law now provides that an overvote for one candidate IS counted for him. But you simply can’t show up after an election is held and complain that your side “really” won if used some other method of counting had been used than what the rules required going into the election.

    Here’s an interesting article.

    http://www.sptimes.com/News/111201/Lostvotes/Without_overvotes_Gor.shtml

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  • @Kyle Kopelovich
    "More fun trivia: Pat Buchanan won the 2000 Reform Party nomination against a certain New York real-estate developer, who would go on try his hand at electoral politics again over a decade later…"

    Really funny except we have to live with it the next 8 years because unless the Democrats go full blown pro-war we are stuck with a tough guy. As a pro-war conservative, who is also 100% pro-life, we have nobody to run against him in the primary. Rand Paul the pubic hair head freak? Not likely, he is golfing with Trump. Lindsey Graham, a truly rational Republican? No chance! He is golfing with Trump.

    Anyone see that awesome Eminem freestyle where he destroyed Trump once and for all? Great freestyle rap son. I love me some Eminem. I hope he run against Kid Rock for Senate and beats the "America First" racist Kid Rock who openly displays the confederate flag of terror.

    John McCain in 2020? No chance, he is busy appeasing Trump with the tax cut furor. But I am so sorry, We need low taxes on the rich to stiumulate the economy to fund the wars that are happening and need to happen more.

    Kids — don’t do drugs.

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  • @Anonymous
    Hillary should have went to the plastic surgeon and trainer she did:

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/12/01/442C8E9900000578-4874772-image-a-2_1505176741948.jpg

    Who dis?

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  • @Anonymous
    Sikhs were called the martial race of India, right?

    The few I have known really were closest to a traditionally masculine character: into guns, outdoor activity and less PC.

    Looks like an example of HBD.

    At one point in the ’80′s, the Sikhs, despite being a tiny minority in India, made up half the officer corps of the Indian Army and half of the Indian Olympic team.

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    At one point in the ’80′s, the Sikhs, despite being a tiny minority in India, made up half the officer corps of the Indian Army and half of the Indian Olympic team.
     
    Talk about damning with faint praise!
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  • @whorefinder
    Power posing is like a carny trick, like magic; it works only if you've stacked the deck so in your favor that the chances of overcoming it are small or nil.

    A good magician has moves so dexterous that even if you know what to look for (i.e. you know the secret of the trick) you won't be able to catch the sleight of hand because he's just too good, even for those who know what to look for. And he still covers most of it up with patter and pretty girls and flashes of smoke and such.

    But a bad magician needs you to be distracted by his patter or the pretty girl or the flash or whatever, because if you do watch his hands you'll be able to glimpse the secret of the trick, 'cause he ain't that nimble.

    Gore was a bad magician when it came to stage presence, so when he tried his power pose he didn't have anything to distract you from the woodness of it. He should have been talking / gesturing in ways to distract the audience and get both them and W. to let down their guard. Then the pose itself would have subliminally worked better and we'd have remembered him as being confident/presidential/imposing but not known why. The patter could have covered him up.

    Picture an 8 year-old kid trying to make a coin disappear but you see it fall from his hand and hear the clink of it hitting the floor when he maneuvers it. He doesn't tell jokes or wave his arms distractingly or set up the stage so you can't hear the coin hit. He's concentrating so hard on just doing the mechanics he does nothing else, making the trick less ,"Awesome!" and more "Bless your heart."

    That 8-year-old kid was Al Gore with his power pose.

    Algore was trying to “big him to death”.

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  • @Steve Sailer
    Democratic operatives in Jacksonville in 2000 sent busloads of blacks to the polls, but they told them to vote for somebody on every page. The long list of Presidential candidates sprawled across more than one page, so a lot of voters in heavily black districts invalidated their ballots by voting for two Presidential candidates.

    Sheeeiiiittt!

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  • Sean says:
    @Kyle Kopelovich
    "More fun trivia: Pat Buchanan won the 2000 Reform Party nomination against a certain New York real-estate developer, who would go on try his hand at electoral politics again over a decade later…"

    Really funny except we have to live with it the next 8 years because unless the Democrats go full blown pro-war we are stuck with a tough guy. As a pro-war conservative, who is also 100% pro-life, we have nobody to run against him in the primary. Rand Paul the pubic hair head freak? Not likely, he is golfing with Trump. Lindsey Graham, a truly rational Republican? No chance! He is golfing with Trump.

    Anyone see that awesome Eminem freestyle where he destroyed Trump once and for all? Great freestyle rap son. I love me some Eminem. I hope he run against Kid Rock for Senate and beats the "America First" racist Kid Rock who openly displays the confederate flag of terror.

    John McCain in 2020? No chance, he is busy appeasing Trump with the tax cut furor. But I am so sorry, We need low taxes on the rich to stiumulate the economy to fund the wars that are happening and need to happen more.

    No Democratic candidate for president since Lyndon Johnson has won a majority of white votes.

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  • Travis says:
    @Methodological Terrorist
    My favorite 2000 election outcome cause is how poorly designed ballots led to isolationist Pat Buchanan stealing a couple thousand votes from liberal internationalist Al Gore, thus leading to neoconservative George W. Bush's ascension to the presidency. Without Buchanan running his America First third-party campaign in the 2000 election, there wouldn't have been an Iraq War!

    More fun trivia: Pat Buchanan won the 2000 Reform Party nomination against a certain New York real-estate developer, who would go on try his hand at electoral politics again over a decade later...

    Senator Gore fully supported the First Gulf War.
    He was one of just 10 Democrats who voted for The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution . The other 46 Democrats in the Senate voted against the invasion.

    So we can thank Gore for the first Gulf War, along with most of the GOP senators.

    During the Clinton Administration they continued to wage war against Iraq, dropping more cruise missiles on the Iraqi people than we did during the entire Gulf War. AL Gore fully supported this bombing campaign and the other wars Clinton waged, which is one reason George W. Bush was able to defeat al Gore, by promising to reduce foreign military interventions.

    Gore may well have invaded more than just Iraq and Afghanistan and put sanctions on Saudi Arabia after 9/11 and pulled a Jimmy Carter by banning Saudi and Afghan Immigrants from entering America.

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  • anonguy says:
    @Methodological Terrorist
    My favorite 2000 election outcome cause is how poorly designed ballots led to isolationist Pat Buchanan stealing a couple thousand votes from liberal internationalist Al Gore, thus leading to neoconservative George W. Bush's ascension to the presidency. Without Buchanan running his America First third-party campaign in the 2000 election, there wouldn't have been an Iraq War!

    More fun trivia: Pat Buchanan won the 2000 Reform Party nomination against a certain New York real-estate developer, who would go on try his hand at electoral politics again over a decade later...

    The fact that Pat Buchanan was the best the “paleo” conservatives could offer up is proof that it was a spent movement.

    He was just some loudmouth draft-dodging journalist. Why was he the standard bearer? It wasn’t like his blood/soil America stuff was hardly unique or novel.

    With heroes like Pat, the traditional right didn’t need enemies.

    What a putz. I wonder if he has made any “settlements” with NDA’s.

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  • @Reg Cæsar

    I presumed that the commenter couldn’t remember the precise name of the bill, so he just made up “the Dingle-Norwood Bill.”
     
    There were competing Social Security bills introduced in the 98th Congress by Reps. Claude Pepper and J. J. Pickle.

    Really. You could look it up.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1983/03/10/us/required-reading-of-peppers-and-pickles.html

    How did I forget chicken Кyїv?

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  • @Dr. X

    In answer to your actual question, though, yes, Al Gore, for all of his faults, would have spared us the Iraq War, et. seq.
     
    Don't be so sure. Remember Gore was a member of the Clinton administration that bombed Serbia (...and when were we ever attacked by Serbs?) and bombed Iraq in Operation Desert Fox, the most blatant wag-the-dog military action ever.

    Remember Gore was a member of the Clinton administration that bombed Serbia…

    Not to mention a member of the party that invented nuclear war and introduced it to the world– on women and children.

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  • @Anonymous
    Hillary should have went to the plastic surgeon and trainer she did:

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/12/01/442C8E9900000578-4874772-image-a-2_1505176741948.jpg

    Hillary should have went to the plastic surgeon and trainer she did:

    And you “should have went” to a different elementary school.

    Meet with a lawyer. You might have grounds for a lawsuit.

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  • @SteveRogers42
    At one point in the '80's, the Sikhs, despite being a tiny minority in India, made up half the officer corps of the Indian Army and half of the Indian Olympic team.

    At one point in the ’80′s, the Sikhs, despite being a tiny minority in India, made up half the officer corps of the Indian Army and half of the Indian Olympic team.

    Talk about damning with faint praise!

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  • Brutusale says:
    @D. K.
    If Dukakis had not blown a 17-point lead, coming out of the Democratic Convention, in 1988, we sure would be. We would have been spared Bush the Elder, the Clintons, Al Gore, Bush the Younger and, presumably, both Obama and Trump. There would have been no Persian Gulf War, no American troops in Saudi Arabia, no al-Queda, no World Trade Center bombing, no Oklahoma City bombing, no 9/11, no International War on Terrorism, no USA PATRIOT Act, no Afghanistan War, no Iraq War, no faux Arab Spring, no Libyan Civil War, no Syrian Civil War, no influx of millions of (mostly fake, mostly Muslim) refugees into Europe, etc. We could have avoided all of that, if only Governor Dukakis had not made a 35-year-old political neophyte, Susan "Have I mentioned yet that I am a rape survivor?" Estrich, his presidential-campaign manager, to face off against an amoral political professional, Lee Atwater. In answer to your actual question, though, yes, Al Gore, for all of his faults, would have spared us the Iraq War, et. seq.

    Susan Estrogen was only there because the real power behind the tiny throne, John Sasso, was already caught in one of the previous dirty tricks.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sasso

    http://www.nytimes.com/1987/10/01/us/two-top-aides-to-dukakis-resign-as-one-admits-role-in-biden-tape.html?pagewanted=all

    The Tiny Duke may have been POTUS if Sasso had run the entire campaign.

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