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From the Washington Post:

‘How dare you work on whites’: Professors under fire for research on white mortality

By Jeff Guo April 6 at 6:00 AM

Wonkblog Analysis

Academic research rarely goes viral, but this past year, the work of Princeton professors Anne Case and Nobel laureate Angus Deaton became the center of a national fascination over the woes of white America. It’s also landed the two in the crossfire of a debate about race and the lack of attention given to problems faced by African Americans.

Why does nobody talk about this?

Look how lacking was the attention to the problem faced by African Americans that black movie stars traditionally only win a representative share of Oscars rather than more than their share.

Do you realize this country went two entire years, 2015 and 2016, between black movies winning the Best Picture Oscars in 2014 and 2017? Now that’s a crisis! In contrast, the White Death only took 15 years before the media noticed all those tens of thousands of whites dying unexpectedly. That’s because of White Privilege.

Granted, nobody ever counts up how many Oscars Mexican-Americans (as opposed to Mexican-Mexicans) get nominated for much less win. But Mexican-Americans are kind of boring so nobody cares about them.

In 2015, Case and Deaton pointed out that mortality rates among middle-aged white Americans have been rising, while mortality rates for other Americans and citizens of Western Europe have continued to plummet. Two weeks ago, the researchers released a deeper report probing the underlying reasons. Opioid abuse and alcoholism and a spike in suicides have been the most visible causes, but Case and Deaton say these “deaths of despair” are symptoms of a much larger problem — one that’s rooted in the economy, and how forces like technological change have battered less-educated whites in recent decades.

But the economy has been brutal lately for all Americans without a college degree, and this new report kicked off another round of controversy over how the American mainstream often ignores black experiences. Critics have complained that Case and Deaton’s focus on white mortality risks drawing attention away from equally pressing problems, like the persistently higher rates of black mortality.

Many of these objections have to less to do with the actual science and more to do with the context in which it was published. President Trump won huge swaths of voters in 2016 by promising to address the grievances of the white working class, and white nationalists endorsed his campaign. Case and Deaton’s research on white mortality seemed to speak directly to that political narrative: Not only were white Americans suffering from their own problems, but they were also literally dying out faster in middle age.

Yet African Americans have long suffered higher mortality rates and lower levels of happiness. In light of the divisive racial rhetoric surrounding the Trump campaign, some worried that the interest in Case and Deaton’s research would only heighten the sense that African Americans were being erased from the national conversation.

…The following is an edited and condensed transcript of our chat.

Guo: I wanted to discuss this question about whether we are neglecting African Americans with all of our focus on white mortality. …

Case: It’s not as much news if people’s mortality rates are falling the way you would hope they are falling. What seems like news is when mortality has stopped falling, and no one has noticed that it has stopped.

White Americans had just flatlined where the European countries continued to make progress, and where other groups in this country — African Americans and Hispanics — continued to make progress. So what the heck is going on here? We weren’t making progress anymore. That, to us seemed like the bigger story.

Deaton: Anne presented the first paper once and was told, in no uncertain terms: How dare you work on whites.

Case: I was really beaten up.

Deaton: And these were really senior people.

Case: Very senior people.

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  1. Considering about 50 percent of young Americans with non-professional degrees are not in degree-level jobs, shouldn’t he say, “the economy has been brutal lately for Americans without professional degrees.” Economically speaking, many degree holders are worse off than a lot of manual workers (and a lot of law and IT students aren’t doing particularly well either).

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    • Replies: @Gringo
    Well, we've got to keep alive the myth that 4 years of liberal brainwashing is the only way to achieve wealth and success.
    , @Seamus Padraig
    So true. What has happened is that virtually everyone below the upper-middle-class level is moving downward: what used to be the middle-class is the new working-class, and what used to be the working-class is now the non-working under-class. Some day soon, they'll probably require you to have a bachelors degree just be a barista or a cashier. And before anyone here starts up with that 'But they all studied finger-painting at college!' crap, no they didn't. People with computer science and even business degrees are increasingly in the same boat.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    unpc, The University at Buffalo Law School has cut admissions. Too many lawyers, not enough jobs. It's that simple. This probably affects white men and white women more than any group.
    , @anonymous
    Good point. But I'm not sure that I would include those with non-professional degrees who went to to Hahvahd, Yale, Stanford, Amherst etc. etc.
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  2. No one is stopping black researchers from doing research and studies on any “black death”. We know they would get funded up the wazoo by the Feds and private foundations. It would be easy to get funded to set up an entire institute devoted to the subject and universities would fight to have you.
    Some enterprising white academics could do the same but they would get accused of racism for highlighting/compiling negative black behaviors. You would not believe how obese many black women are where I live.

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    • Replies: @Random Dude on the Internet
    These days, it isn't so much giving more opportunities to blacks as it is taking away from whites. These people are more anti-white than they are pro-black, hispanic, etc.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Clyde, Article last week in Cleveland.com about the high rate of premature infant deaths in Ohio that are disproportionately black. So there's that, but some of the obvious causes are still unaddressed, obesity, diabetes, drug and alcohol use/abuse and teen pregnancy. So #BlackDeathsMatter. Write that on your application to Stanford 100 times and pack your bags for California.
    , @Marty
    "...how obese many black women are where I live."

    Hah! I drive past a magnet elementary school in SF every day. It's like a parade of water buffalo.
    , @Ed
    Exactly my thought as I read this post. I follow some black academics on Twitter, let's just say very few are impressive intellectually. So they may not be able to do this level of research.
  3. The university of Texas at Austin has discovered an even more horrible instance of evil White racism.

    Vegans and vegetarians are almost all Whites. So the vegans and veggies are confessing and testifying and castigating themselves because their movement is White.
    They want a special food stamp program so poor blacks Asians and Hispanics can buy vegetarian food. That way veganism can be inclusive and diverse and reflect the “real America”

    I wish all these liberal Whites would all just kill themselves to atone for their original sin of being born White.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Gringo, greens, beans and yams, favorite foods of blacks, are all good for you, until you fry them in bacon fat or lard and then smother with syrup and brown sugar. Come sooooo close to solving their own problems.
    , @Ed
    Lmao you can buy produce with food stamps already. Heck in liberal areas some farmer markets will take EBT. The issue is that poor black women are lazy and prefer processed food.
  4. @unpc downunder
    Considering about 50 percent of young Americans with non-professional degrees are not in degree-level jobs, shouldn't he say, "the economy has been brutal lately for Americans without professional degrees." Economically speaking, many degree holders are worse off than a lot of manual workers (and a lot of law and IT students aren't doing particularly well either).

    Well, we’ve got to keep alive the myth that 4 years of liberal brainwashing is the only way to achieve wealth and success.

    Read More
  5. There is a lot of chutzpah in a guy named Guo lecturing us on this subject, playing divide and conquer.

    Read More
  6. A lot of the comments are just pure anti white hate. It’s crazy how America has fallen so far that it is now virtuous to hate whites.

    The most sickening part was when a senior researching told her “how dare you work on whites”.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    GEP, You know the remark..."how dare you work on whites" would be acceptable as "Glad you are working on whites," if applied to medical experiments that could lead to premature death. Remember when you could not discuss the high rate of deaths caused by AIDS in gay white men? The pendulum swings only when pushed by the SJW cause of the day.
    , @Don't Look at Me
    “how dare you work on whites”

    We need to find the name of the senior researcher who said that. This should not go unaddressed.

    Steve. If you find out who this person is, I'll donate $50. (All I can handle right now due to my negative cash flow.)
  7. But whites are supposed to die off following short lives of quiet despair, Steve. These people are wholly inconvenient to the aggregation of political hegemony by the coalition of the fringes.

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    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    die off following short lives of quiet despair
     
    That's muh plan!
  8. “White guys” get blamed for everything these days:

    LaVar Ball blames white guys’ foot speed for UCLA’s tournament demise

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/ball-748709-lavar-sweet.html

    Read More
    • Replies: @CCZ
    For being “fancy white people," black woman strikes back:

    N.J. woman enraged by 'fancy white people' arrested in hammer attack, officials say


    NJ Advance Media for NJ.com By Noah, updated April 06,

    NEWARK -- Essex County Sheriff's detectives on Wednesday arrested a woman who attacked a man with a hammer and smashed his Porsche after reportedly yelling at him for being "rich" and "white" at a Virginia gas station, officials said.

    Angela M. Jones, 26, of Newark, was taken into custody without incident at her Fairmount Avenue residence, according to Sheriff Armando Fontoura.

    Jones was wanted by Caroline County, Va. authorities in the alleged assault on Saturday.

    Jones directed racial slurs at the Massachusetts man, who is white, as he fueled his Porsche that was hauling his boat, according to Virginia authorities. When the man ignored her remarks, Jones allegedly smashed his Porsche and boat with a hammer, Virginia television station CBS 6 reported.

    http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2017/04/nj_woman_enraged_by_fancy_white_people_arrested_in.html

     

    No determination yet on whether this is a "hate crime."
  9. African Americans being erased from the national conversation? What planet does this guy live on?

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  10. Black power is incredibly butthurt and doesnt share. And int he end that will break up the coalition

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  11. @Clyde
    No one is stopping black researchers from doing research and studies on any "black death". We know they would get funded up the wazoo by the Feds and private foundations. It would be easy to get funded to set up an entire institute devoted to the subject and universities would fight to have you.
    Some enterprising white academics could do the same but they would get accused of racism for highlighting/compiling negative black behaviors. You would not believe how obese many black women are where I live.

    These days, it isn’t so much giving more opportunities to blacks as it is taking away from whites. These people are more anti-white than they are pro-black, hispanic, etc.

    Read More
  12. @unpc downunder
    Considering about 50 percent of young Americans with non-professional degrees are not in degree-level jobs, shouldn't he say, "the economy has been brutal lately for Americans without professional degrees." Economically speaking, many degree holders are worse off than a lot of manual workers (and a lot of law and IT students aren't doing particularly well either).

    So true. What has happened is that virtually everyone below the upper-middle-class level is moving downward: what used to be the middle-class is the new working-class, and what used to be the working-class is now the non-working under-class. Some day soon, they’ll probably require you to have a bachelors degree just be a barista or a cashier. And before anyone here starts up with that ‘But they all studied finger-painting at college!’ crap, no they didn’t. People with computer science and even business degrees are increasingly in the same boat.

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    • Agree: 27 year old
    • Replies: @daniel le mouche
    i remember the central philly bar i bartended in many years ago, all the front of the house but maybe two had at least a bachelor's, and a couple had masters. we used to laugh about it--some use of a college degree. but the gig was too good to give up. since then, things have gone seriously south for me and i imagine many others.
    , @Clyde

    Some day soon, they’ll probably require you to have a bachelors degree just be a barista or a cashier. And before anyone here starts up with that ‘But they all studied finger-painting at college!’ crap, no they didn’t. People with computer science and even business degrees are increasingly in the same boat.
     
    Like the line in Billions (TV series) last week, "We must become anti-fragile or die". http://bit.ly/2nX51tQ
  13. I think the racial debate has overlooked a few things:
    1. Capital Investment for the last generation has largely taken place overseas
    2. We dedicate a tremendous amount of resources to previous generations
    3. Education is a rivalrous good, higher ed functions somewhat as a hidden welfare system and many outstanding student loans will never be repaid.
    4. We cannot look to Europe as a model as it is struggling with many of the same issues
    ———————————————–
    I could go on but I think my point is that we are a lot less rich than we think we are if we take all things into consideration. A re-negotiation of the social contract concerning social security obligations will take place sooner than we think because I dont believe that
    non-whites will want to pay for the retirement programs of whites.

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    • Replies: @27 year old
    >I dont believe that
    non-whites will want to pay for the retirement programs of whites.

    They can't pay for it, even if they wanted to, which they don't. They don't generate enough wealth period.
  14. This sounds like a really silly question Steve and perhaps it has been asked before but let me ask it:

    WHY SHOULDN’T EMPLOYERS BE ALLOWED TO USE SAT OR ASVAP TESTS AS EMPLOYMENT SCREENING DEVICES INSTEAD OF COLLEGE DEGREES?

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    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co.
  15. Professor James Petras just wrote an extremely good article on the White Death.

    http://www.unz.com/jpetras/death-on-the-prescription-plan/#comment-1827707

    Here were the points he made.

    1. The White Death didn’t occur in the Anglosphere, Europe, or any other major first world nation. Why is the U.S. unique?
    2. A single-payer healthcare system that offered quality treatment would preclude the need for mass prescriptions of painkillers.
    3. Big Pharma and “pill mill” physicians have played an important role in distributing poison to the masses.
    4. The politicians are mostly bribed by Big Pharma, so nobody ever prosecutes them. Big Pharma advertises a lot on mainstream media outlets, so they’re bribed too.
    5. Young, healthy immigrant workers (and also foreign workers who labor in outsourced foreign operations) are replacing American workers at a rapid rate. This has played a role in the rising rate of addiction among economically displaced Americans. This addiction conveniently kills off “surplus” workers, who would normally consume pensions and healthcare.
    6. We waste trillions (over $5 trillion in Iraq alone) on the “War on Terror.” At the same time, we can only dream of the type of universal healthcare coverage that many nations (who haven’t wasted trillions) currently enjoy.
    7. Workers are in terror of getting laid off, as they won’t be able to get quality healthcare. Even when workers do get employer healthcare, the premiums and copays are often ridiculously unaffordable.
    8. Trump did very well in areas that had rapidly falling life expectancy. His victory was a product of legitimate concerns about declining health, not “racism.”
    9. The U.S. is not a democracy. It is an oligarchy run by financiers, war profiteers, and corporatists. We also don’t have a free independent media – they’re almost all owned by corporate groups these days.
    10. America has embraced an extremely rapacious form of capitalism. Workers are literally being cannibalized (ie given opioids until they die) to pump up corporate profits. It is utterly horrifying what has become of this nation.
    11. Academics and others didn’t touch this issue because it would’ve been ruinous to their careers.
    12. The Prison-Industrial Complex (which locks up many addicts) is extremely lucrative. So there’s a financial incentive in locking up addicts rather than treating them. These privately-owned prisons donate a lot to politicians.

    I highly recommend reading the article.

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    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    According to Petras, here's why academics won't touch the issue.

    Academics receive grants from big national foundations to ‘study addiction’, focusing on the individual psychological disorders affecting the victims of overdose and the social pathologies of the street dealers. This deflects attention from the corporations, which profit from, and the capitalist decision makers, who set the stage for, massive deadly addiction on a national scale. But university careers, peer recognition and fat research grants are not awarded to anyone foolish enough to identify the killer corporations, or the dangerous work conditions, the overtime, low pay, and increasing rates of injuries and despair which send the workers from one killer employer to ‘Big Daddy Pharma’, and the doctors who encourage them to rely on addictive pain killers rather than demand better pay, better health care, better work conditions and a real future for their families.

     


    But these changes will not come from the ‘classless’ research projects of corporate-funded academics, or from the vacuous educational seminars given by NGO ‘experts’.
     
    So he's saying that corporate interests only back researchers/academics who deflect attention from Big Pharma. So if someone wrote a huge paper on the White Death (which is mostly linked to painkiller addiction), that'd hurt corporate profits. Therefore, smart academics didn't talk about that.

    My opinion is that anti-whiteism probably played a role in why academics didn't take much interest in the White Death, but the role of corporate money was a major factor too.

    Also, consider this. Let's say you wrote an article about the huge spike in overdoses, but didn't mention those overdoses were concentrated among whites. That would've been PC enough. Why didn't other researchers write a health article on the overdose rate (except without race discussed)? I'm sure this data (which was publicly available) was noticed by other researchers. It would've been politically palatable to mention the data if race was ignored.

    My answer (to the above question) is that perhaps academics were afraid of being punished for writing this type of article. They were scared of what Big Pharma would think about a paper that linked painkillers to widespread overdoses. Since these researchers wanted big grants and big salaries, they sort of ignored the opioid epidemic's death roll. Fighting Big Pharma is the path to poverty for an academic.

    This could explain why the paper's authors didn't encounter opposition for a long time - until they presented the paper to "very senior people." The "very senior people" were likely wily political types who didn't want to associate with anything their financiers found distasteful.
    , @Hodag
    China went to war, twice, when their population was being poisoned by the British.
    , @Mike Sylwester

    Workers are literally being cannibalized (ie given opioids until they die) to pump up corporate profits.
     
    Try to stay rational.

    The Prison-Industrial Complex (which locks up many addicts) is extremely lucrative. So there’s a financial incentive in locking up addicts rather than treating them.
     
    And you ended by driving off a cliff.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Anyone stupid enough to recommend Government control of your healthcare is not worth reading any further.
    , @anon

    1. The White Death didn’t occur in the Anglosphere, Europe, or any other major first world nation. Why is the U.S. unique?
     
    Not true.

    The driving force behind it did happen. All the rust-belt towns are the same - a few years after they realize no new jobs are coming all the proud guys start slowly drinking themselves to death.

    It's the same everywhere.

    The only difference in the US - the only part that needs explaining - is why the same type of guys in the US kill themselves much faster than elsewhere: the availability of opiodes clearly being one of them.

    One of the common stands everywhere is doctors in those towns knowing there's no work will often sign guys off as sick so they get a little more welfare. Given the opiode thing this may be a bad idea.
  16. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Deaton: Anne presented the first paper once and was told, in no uncertain terms: How dare you work on whites.

    Case: I was really beaten up.

    Deaton: And these were really senior people.

    Case: Very senior people.

    My guess: Obama’s Health and Human Services appointee. In any case, it had to have been a catty female-to-female microagression/dominance play.

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  17. @JohnnyWalker123
    Professor James Petras just wrote an extremely good article on the White Death.

    http://www.unz.com/jpetras/death-on-the-prescription-plan/#comment-1827707

    Here were the points he made.

    1. The White Death didn't occur in the Anglosphere, Europe, or any other major first world nation. Why is the U.S. unique?
    2. A single-payer healthcare system that offered quality treatment would preclude the need for mass prescriptions of painkillers.
    3. Big Pharma and "pill mill" physicians have played an important role in distributing poison to the masses.
    4. The politicians are mostly bribed by Big Pharma, so nobody ever prosecutes them. Big Pharma advertises a lot on mainstream media outlets, so they're bribed too.
    5. Young, healthy immigrant workers (and also foreign workers who labor in outsourced foreign operations) are replacing American workers at a rapid rate. This has played a role in the rising rate of addiction among economically displaced Americans. This addiction conveniently kills off "surplus" workers, who would normally consume pensions and healthcare.
    6. We waste trillions (over $5 trillion in Iraq alone) on the "War on Terror." At the same time, we can only dream of the type of universal healthcare coverage that many nations (who haven't wasted trillions) currently enjoy.
    7. Workers are in terror of getting laid off, as they won't be able to get quality healthcare. Even when workers do get employer healthcare, the premiums and copays are often ridiculously unaffordable.
    8. Trump did very well in areas that had rapidly falling life expectancy. His victory was a product of legitimate concerns about declining health, not "racism."
    9. The U.S. is not a democracy. It is an oligarchy run by financiers, war profiteers, and corporatists. We also don't have a free independent media - they're almost all owned by corporate groups these days.
    10. America has embraced an extremely rapacious form of capitalism. Workers are literally being cannibalized (ie given opioids until they die) to pump up corporate profits. It is utterly horrifying what has become of this nation.
    11. Academics and others didn't touch this issue because it would've been ruinous to their careers.
    12. The Prison-Industrial Complex (which locks up many addicts) is extremely lucrative. So there’s a financial incentive in locking up addicts rather than treating them. These privately-owned prisons donate a lot to politicians.

    I highly recommend reading the article.

    According to Petras, here’s why academics won’t touch the issue.

    Academics receive grants from big national foundations to ‘study addiction’, focusing on the individual psychological disorders affecting the victims of overdose and the social pathologies of the street dealers. This deflects attention from the corporations, which profit from, and the capitalist decision makers, who set the stage for, massive deadly addiction on a national scale. But university careers, peer recognition and fat research grants are not awarded to anyone foolish enough to identify the killer corporations, or the dangerous work conditions, the overtime, low pay, and increasing rates of injuries and despair which send the workers from one killer employer to ‘Big Daddy Pharma’, and the doctors who encourage them to rely on addictive pain killers rather than demand better pay, better health care, better work conditions and a real future for their families.

    But these changes will not come from the ‘classless’ research projects of corporate-funded academics, or from the vacuous educational seminars given by NGO ‘experts’.

    So he’s saying that corporate interests only back researchers/academics who deflect attention from Big Pharma. So if someone wrote a huge paper on the White Death (which is mostly linked to painkiller addiction), that’d hurt corporate profits. Therefore, smart academics didn’t talk about that.

    My opinion is that anti-whiteism probably played a role in why academics didn’t take much interest in the White Death, but the role of corporate money was a major factor too.

    Also, consider this. Let’s say you wrote an article about the huge spike in overdoses, but didn’t mention those overdoses were concentrated among whites. That would’ve been PC enough. Why didn’t other researchers write a health article on the overdose rate (except without race discussed)? I’m sure this data (which was publicly available) was noticed by other researchers. It would’ve been politically palatable to mention the data if race was ignored.

    My answer (to the above question) is that perhaps academics were afraid of being punished for writing this type of article. They were scared of what Big Pharma would think about a paper that linked painkillers to widespread overdoses. Since these researchers wanted big grants and big salaries, they sort of ignored the opioid epidemic’s death roll. Fighting Big Pharma is the path to poverty for an academic.

    This could explain why the paper’s authors didn’t encounter opposition for a long time – until they presented the paper to “very senior people.” The “very senior people” were likely wily political types who didn’t want to associate with anything their financiers found distasteful.

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    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    I used to sell a Schedule II drug for "big pharma."

    While much of the criticism of drug companies is meritorious, it almost always glosses over the much larger elephant in the room: the nexus between doctors, insurers and $$$$$$$$$$.

    "Pain Specialists" didn't even exist 10-15 years ago. Now, they dot every community, and their main business is not prescribing drugs, it's "doing procedures."

    This is a subset of why the cost of medical care in the USA is obscene. Insurers exist in a cost-plus-20% profit guarantee. This is why no insurer in the country complained when the ACA led to hospital systems buying up independent doctor practices...which led to bills for simple things going up 500% or more (because the hospital can add a "facility fee" to every X-ray, every CT, every colonoscopy, etc.)

    I wager that 80% of all medical services in the USA are for "frequent fliers" (hypochondriacs, Munchausen's Syndrome sufferers, even old people who visit the doc as nothing more than a social outlet.) This exists because EVERYONE'S GETTING PAID, >half by Uncle Sam.

    No one complains because:
    --we're in a collective mania that believes in unlimited resources.
    --every dollar Uncle Sam borrows and spends BOTH raises GDP as it cascades through the economy AND IN ADDITION gets counted as NEW WEALTH in the form of a bond. It's a Two for One. Everyone wins!

    This will continue until it doesn't. When that epiphany arrives, all hell is going to break loose.
    , @alan2102
    Great posts. Thanks. The issue of course is class, and corporatism, and capitalism, not race per se,
  18. @JohnnyWalker123
    Professor James Petras just wrote an extremely good article on the White Death.

    http://www.unz.com/jpetras/death-on-the-prescription-plan/#comment-1827707

    Here were the points he made.

    1. The White Death didn't occur in the Anglosphere, Europe, or any other major first world nation. Why is the U.S. unique?
    2. A single-payer healthcare system that offered quality treatment would preclude the need for mass prescriptions of painkillers.
    3. Big Pharma and "pill mill" physicians have played an important role in distributing poison to the masses.
    4. The politicians are mostly bribed by Big Pharma, so nobody ever prosecutes them. Big Pharma advertises a lot on mainstream media outlets, so they're bribed too.
    5. Young, healthy immigrant workers (and also foreign workers who labor in outsourced foreign operations) are replacing American workers at a rapid rate. This has played a role in the rising rate of addiction among economically displaced Americans. This addiction conveniently kills off "surplus" workers, who would normally consume pensions and healthcare.
    6. We waste trillions (over $5 trillion in Iraq alone) on the "War on Terror." At the same time, we can only dream of the type of universal healthcare coverage that many nations (who haven't wasted trillions) currently enjoy.
    7. Workers are in terror of getting laid off, as they won't be able to get quality healthcare. Even when workers do get employer healthcare, the premiums and copays are often ridiculously unaffordable.
    8. Trump did very well in areas that had rapidly falling life expectancy. His victory was a product of legitimate concerns about declining health, not "racism."
    9. The U.S. is not a democracy. It is an oligarchy run by financiers, war profiteers, and corporatists. We also don't have a free independent media - they're almost all owned by corporate groups these days.
    10. America has embraced an extremely rapacious form of capitalism. Workers are literally being cannibalized (ie given opioids until they die) to pump up corporate profits. It is utterly horrifying what has become of this nation.
    11. Academics and others didn't touch this issue because it would've been ruinous to their careers.
    12. The Prison-Industrial Complex (which locks up many addicts) is extremely lucrative. So there’s a financial incentive in locking up addicts rather than treating them. These privately-owned prisons donate a lot to politicians.

    I highly recommend reading the article.

    China went to war, twice, when their population was being poisoned by the British.

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  19. I sincerely hope that Bezos’ blog, Carlos Slim’s blog and other Newsie Outlets continue this course.

    Double down on it.

    Double again, and again, and again.

    It is exactly the precondition for a break-neck reversal when this decades-long illusion of debt-based faux prosperity ends. When 240 million white people, including all those upper-middle-class SWPL’s discover that resources are actually scarce (after 35 years of squandering them), they’re going to be ENRAGED.

    At whom? Bezos, Slim, et.al. are habituating the parasites, training them that the squeakiest hinge gets all the white oil they want.

    That’s under the FAD of unlimited resources and pathological trust and tolerance. Can we begin to imagine what effect that will have, when the white hosts experience an epiphany?

    The epiphany will arrive on its own schedule. What will those eyes see?
    –replacement level immigration.
    –black/brown utter failure (unmitigated by NABALT.)
    –$Trillions pissed down a rat hole…for nothing.
    –black/brown/whitey-enablers who threaten their children’s future.

    Bezos, Slim, ABCNNBCBS, etc., etc., keep it up. PLEASE.

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    • Replies: @BenKenobi

    Double down on it.

    Double again, and again, and again.
     

    Now you're gettin' it.

    Not. Polarized. Enough.

    When your skin is your uniform, we will be polarized enough.

  20. @JohnnyWalker123
    Professor James Petras just wrote an extremely good article on the White Death.

    http://www.unz.com/jpetras/death-on-the-prescription-plan/#comment-1827707

    Here were the points he made.

    1. The White Death didn't occur in the Anglosphere, Europe, or any other major first world nation. Why is the U.S. unique?
    2. A single-payer healthcare system that offered quality treatment would preclude the need for mass prescriptions of painkillers.
    3. Big Pharma and "pill mill" physicians have played an important role in distributing poison to the masses.
    4. The politicians are mostly bribed by Big Pharma, so nobody ever prosecutes them. Big Pharma advertises a lot on mainstream media outlets, so they're bribed too.
    5. Young, healthy immigrant workers (and also foreign workers who labor in outsourced foreign operations) are replacing American workers at a rapid rate. This has played a role in the rising rate of addiction among economically displaced Americans. This addiction conveniently kills off "surplus" workers, who would normally consume pensions and healthcare.
    6. We waste trillions (over $5 trillion in Iraq alone) on the "War on Terror." At the same time, we can only dream of the type of universal healthcare coverage that many nations (who haven't wasted trillions) currently enjoy.
    7. Workers are in terror of getting laid off, as they won't be able to get quality healthcare. Even when workers do get employer healthcare, the premiums and copays are often ridiculously unaffordable.
    8. Trump did very well in areas that had rapidly falling life expectancy. His victory was a product of legitimate concerns about declining health, not "racism."
    9. The U.S. is not a democracy. It is an oligarchy run by financiers, war profiteers, and corporatists. We also don't have a free independent media - they're almost all owned by corporate groups these days.
    10. America has embraced an extremely rapacious form of capitalism. Workers are literally being cannibalized (ie given opioids until they die) to pump up corporate profits. It is utterly horrifying what has become of this nation.
    11. Academics and others didn't touch this issue because it would've been ruinous to their careers.
    12. The Prison-Industrial Complex (which locks up many addicts) is extremely lucrative. So there’s a financial incentive in locking up addicts rather than treating them. These privately-owned prisons donate a lot to politicians.

    I highly recommend reading the article.

    Workers are literally being cannibalized (ie given opioids until they die) to pump up corporate profits.

    Try to stay rational.

    The Prison-Industrial Complex (which locks up many addicts) is extremely lucrative. So there’s a financial incentive in locking up addicts rather than treating them.

    And you ended by driving off a cliff.

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  21. @JohnnyWalker123
    According to Petras, here's why academics won't touch the issue.

    Academics receive grants from big national foundations to ‘study addiction’, focusing on the individual psychological disorders affecting the victims of overdose and the social pathologies of the street dealers. This deflects attention from the corporations, which profit from, and the capitalist decision makers, who set the stage for, massive deadly addiction on a national scale. But university careers, peer recognition and fat research grants are not awarded to anyone foolish enough to identify the killer corporations, or the dangerous work conditions, the overtime, low pay, and increasing rates of injuries and despair which send the workers from one killer employer to ‘Big Daddy Pharma’, and the doctors who encourage them to rely on addictive pain killers rather than demand better pay, better health care, better work conditions and a real future for their families.

     


    But these changes will not come from the ‘classless’ research projects of corporate-funded academics, or from the vacuous educational seminars given by NGO ‘experts’.
     
    So he's saying that corporate interests only back researchers/academics who deflect attention from Big Pharma. So if someone wrote a huge paper on the White Death (which is mostly linked to painkiller addiction), that'd hurt corporate profits. Therefore, smart academics didn't talk about that.

    My opinion is that anti-whiteism probably played a role in why academics didn't take much interest in the White Death, but the role of corporate money was a major factor too.

    Also, consider this. Let's say you wrote an article about the huge spike in overdoses, but didn't mention those overdoses were concentrated among whites. That would've been PC enough. Why didn't other researchers write a health article on the overdose rate (except without race discussed)? I'm sure this data (which was publicly available) was noticed by other researchers. It would've been politically palatable to mention the data if race was ignored.

    My answer (to the above question) is that perhaps academics were afraid of being punished for writing this type of article. They were scared of what Big Pharma would think about a paper that linked painkillers to widespread overdoses. Since these researchers wanted big grants and big salaries, they sort of ignored the opioid epidemic's death roll. Fighting Big Pharma is the path to poverty for an academic.

    This could explain why the paper's authors didn't encounter opposition for a long time - until they presented the paper to "very senior people." The "very senior people" were likely wily political types who didn't want to associate with anything their financiers found distasteful.

    I used to sell a Schedule II drug for “big pharma.”

    While much of the criticism of drug companies is meritorious, it almost always glosses over the much larger elephant in the room: the nexus between doctors, insurers and $$$$$$$$$$.

    “Pain Specialists” didn’t even exist 10-15 years ago. Now, they dot every community, and their main business is not prescribing drugs, it’s “doing procedures.”

    This is a subset of why the cost of medical care in the USA is obscene. Insurers exist in a cost-plus-20% profit guarantee. This is why no insurer in the country complained when the ACA led to hospital systems buying up independent doctor practices…which led to bills for simple things going up 500% or more (because the hospital can add a “facility fee” to every X-ray, every CT, every colonoscopy, etc.)

    I wager that 80% of all medical services in the USA are for “frequent fliers” (hypochondriacs, Munchausen’s Syndrome sufferers, even old people who visit the doc as nothing more than a social outlet.) This exists because EVERYONE’S GETTING PAID, >half by Uncle Sam.

    No one complains because:
    –we’re in a collective mania that believes in unlimited resources.
    –every dollar Uncle Sam borrows and spends BOTH raises GDP as it cascades through the economy AND IN ADDITION gets counted as NEW WEALTH in the form of a bond. It’s a Two for One. Everyone wins!

    This will continue until it doesn’t. When that epiphany arrives, all hell is going to break loose.

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    • Agree: Bleuteaux, Coemgen
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Insurers exist in a cost-plus-20% profit guarantee. T

    The ratio of value-added to gross output in the insurance sector is not abnormal. Neither is it in the chemical/pharmaceutical sector.
  22. @JohnnyWalker123
    Professor James Petras just wrote an extremely good article on the White Death.

    http://www.unz.com/jpetras/death-on-the-prescription-plan/#comment-1827707

    Here were the points he made.

    1. The White Death didn't occur in the Anglosphere, Europe, or any other major first world nation. Why is the U.S. unique?
    2. A single-payer healthcare system that offered quality treatment would preclude the need for mass prescriptions of painkillers.
    3. Big Pharma and "pill mill" physicians have played an important role in distributing poison to the masses.
    4. The politicians are mostly bribed by Big Pharma, so nobody ever prosecutes them. Big Pharma advertises a lot on mainstream media outlets, so they're bribed too.
    5. Young, healthy immigrant workers (and also foreign workers who labor in outsourced foreign operations) are replacing American workers at a rapid rate. This has played a role in the rising rate of addiction among economically displaced Americans. This addiction conveniently kills off "surplus" workers, who would normally consume pensions and healthcare.
    6. We waste trillions (over $5 trillion in Iraq alone) on the "War on Terror." At the same time, we can only dream of the type of universal healthcare coverage that many nations (who haven't wasted trillions) currently enjoy.
    7. Workers are in terror of getting laid off, as they won't be able to get quality healthcare. Even when workers do get employer healthcare, the premiums and copays are often ridiculously unaffordable.
    8. Trump did very well in areas that had rapidly falling life expectancy. His victory was a product of legitimate concerns about declining health, not "racism."
    9. The U.S. is not a democracy. It is an oligarchy run by financiers, war profiteers, and corporatists. We also don't have a free independent media - they're almost all owned by corporate groups these days.
    10. America has embraced an extremely rapacious form of capitalism. Workers are literally being cannibalized (ie given opioids until they die) to pump up corporate profits. It is utterly horrifying what has become of this nation.
    11. Academics and others didn't touch this issue because it would've been ruinous to their careers.
    12. The Prison-Industrial Complex (which locks up many addicts) is extremely lucrative. So there’s a financial incentive in locking up addicts rather than treating them. These privately-owned prisons donate a lot to politicians.

    I highly recommend reading the article.

    Anyone stupid enough to recommend Government control of your healthcare is not worth reading any further.

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    • Replies: @27 year old
    The government already does "control your healthcare". We have the worst possible system. Massive government involvement, poor outcomes and high cost. It's lose lose lose for everybody who's not an insurance company or a pharmaceutical company or a hospital system. We for some reason let this bunch of criminal middle men make absurd profits at all of our expense.
    , @daniel le mouche
    another brainwashed 'Merkin.
    , @JohnnyWalker123

    Government control
     
    You mean like Medicare?

    Among the general population, people say "Medicare is working well" by a 60-30 margin.
    Among those covered by Medicare, they approve by a 75-22 margin.

    http://kff.org/medicaid/poll-finding/medicare-and-medicaid-at-50/
  23. Thank God whites will soon be minority

    Nothing in the US is seen as a problem until it affects white people. Until that point, it is personal or cultural failing. So, we keep passing laws that do away with safety nets because the assumption was always that white people didn’t need safety nets even when those who actually do research showed that white people benefit most from any safety net, business or person because they are the majority. People reap what they sow.

    I don’t wish white people any harm but it’s time they realize they aren’t in a protective bubble but instead live in the same world that everyone else in. You have to care about everyone and improve life for everyone because like it or not, we are all inextricably linked.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Well, I guess the peanut gallery had to have it's say...
  24. OT

    Someone in Stockholm has driven a truck into a crowd of pedestrians. 3 reported dead. Reporting makes it sound deliberate not accidental.

    http://talkradio.co.uk/news/breaking-truck-ploughs-pedestrians-stockholm-crashes-shopping-centre-17040712393

    I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that it’s Friday today.

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    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    I'm looking at the Daily Mail at the moment; they've got a headline at the top of their page, many photos, constantly updating text, and video clips.

    The NYT: nothing.
    , @Anonymous Nephew
    Now reports of shots fired in separate incident. Trains cancelled, parliament locked down.

    "Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Lofven has said everything indicates that the Stockholm truck crash is "a terror attack"."

    Twitter flooded with idiotic "stay safe #stockholm" rubbish
  25. @unpc downunder
    Considering about 50 percent of young Americans with non-professional degrees are not in degree-level jobs, shouldn't he say, "the economy has been brutal lately for Americans without professional degrees." Economically speaking, many degree holders are worse off than a lot of manual workers (and a lot of law and IT students aren't doing particularly well either).

    unpc, The University at Buffalo Law School has cut admissions. Too many lawyers, not enough jobs. It’s that simple. This probably affects white men and white women more than any group.

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  26. I don’t think you’ve linked this story: Kingpins: OxyContin, Heroin, and the Sackler-Sinaloa Connection by Jason Smith at Addiction Unscripted September 10, 2015. (4600 words)

    Family owned and operated, Purdue Pharma struck narcotic gold. Not many companies can boast a product whose sales increased 2000 percent in five years, but the Sacklers can do just that. In 1995, the year after receiving FDA approval, OxyContin accounted for $45 million in sales. By 2000, sales increased to $1.4 billion.

    Once again, that’s billion with a “B.”

    In 2010, thanks to the efforts of three brothers from Brooklyn, OxyContin took control of 30 percent of the United States painkiller market, accounting for $3.1 billion in sales.

    So how did we get here?

    Born in 1913, Arthur Sackler graduated from the New York School of Medicine and became a medicinal renaissance man, simultaneously mastering psychiatric research and pharmaceutical marketing. In 1942, Arthur bought into Williams, Douglas & McAdams, a New York advertising firm. It was here where Arthur Sackler learned how to really sell drugs.

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  27. @Clyde
    No one is stopping black researchers from doing research and studies on any "black death". We know they would get funded up the wazoo by the Feds and private foundations. It would be easy to get funded to set up an entire institute devoted to the subject and universities would fight to have you.
    Some enterprising white academics could do the same but they would get accused of racism for highlighting/compiling negative black behaviors. You would not believe how obese many black women are where I live.

    Clyde, Article last week in Cleveland.com about the high rate of premature infant deaths in Ohio that are disproportionately black. So there’s that, but some of the obvious causes are still unaddressed, obesity, diabetes, drug and alcohol use/abuse and teen pregnancy. So #BlackDeathsMatter. Write that on your application to Stanford 100 times and pack your bags for California.

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  28. @Gringo
    The university of Texas at Austin has discovered an even more horrible instance of evil White racism.

    Vegans and vegetarians are almost all Whites. So the vegans and veggies are confessing and testifying and castigating themselves because their movement is White.
    They want a special food stamp program so poor blacks Asians and Hispanics can buy vegetarian food. That way veganism can be inclusive and diverse and reflect the "real America"

    I wish all these liberal Whites would all just kill themselves to atone for their original sin of being born White.

    Gringo, greens, beans and yams, favorite foods of blacks, are all good for you, until you fry them in bacon fat or lard and then smother with syrup and brown sugar. Come sooooo close to solving their own problems.

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    • Replies: @daniel le mouche
    i'm no expert, but likely you're wrong about lard and bacon fat--they seem to be exactly what the average health nut lacks. i've just begun it, but see weston price.
  29. @God Emperor Putin
    A lot of the comments are just pure anti white hate. It's crazy how America has fallen so far that it is now virtuous to hate whites.

    The most sickening part was when a senior researching told her "how dare you work on whites".

    GEP, You know the remark…”how dare you work on whites” would be acceptable as “Glad you are working on whites,” if applied to medical experiments that could lead to premature death. Remember when you could not discuss the high rate of deaths caused by AIDS in gay white men? The pendulum swings only when pushed by the SJW cause of the day.

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  30. @Anonymous Nephew
    OT

    Someone in Stockholm has driven a truck into a crowd of pedestrians. 3 reported dead. Reporting makes it sound deliberate not accidental.

    http://talkradio.co.uk/news/breaking-truck-ploughs-pedestrians-stockholm-crashes-shopping-centre-17040712393

    I'm sure it's just a coincidence that it's Friday today.

    I’m looking at the Daily Mail at the moment; they’ve got a headline at the top of their page, many photos, constantly updating text, and video clips.

    The NYT: nothing.

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    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    Okay, the NYT finally has a 'breaking news' headline well down on their homepage.

    They have a very brief story in which the only detail they choose to note is that it was a 'small' truck that drove into a crowd of people.

    Meanwhile, the Daily Mail tells us the following, and more:

    Masked man sped through central Stockholm aiming at pedestrians before crashing into the Åhlens department store Klarabergsgatan. Five confirmed dead and dozens more injured

    Witnesses hear shots fired but the suspect appears unhurt and was dived on by police at the scene and arrested; Another suspect was also held in the aftermath in a nearby street

    Horrifying images show streets smeared with blood and bodies covered in blankets

    Second incident ongoing at central railway station amid fears a gunman is on the loose in the building. Commuters have been locked in trains and bomb disposal squad also there

    Prime Minister Stefan Lofven says the truck crash 'is an act of terror' and urges public to clear the streets

    Fears it could be a copycat attack weeks after hit-and-run murderer strikes on Westminster Bridge
     
  31. @Anonymous Nephew
    OT

    Someone in Stockholm has driven a truck into a crowd of pedestrians. 3 reported dead. Reporting makes it sound deliberate not accidental.

    http://talkradio.co.uk/news/breaking-truck-ploughs-pedestrians-stockholm-crashes-shopping-centre-17040712393

    I'm sure it's just a coincidence that it's Friday today.

    Now reports of shots fired in separate incident. Trains cancelled, parliament locked down.

    “Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Lofven has said everything indicates that the Stockholm truck crash is “a terror attack”.”

    Twitter flooded with idiotic “stay safe #stockholm” rubbish

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  32. Funny, Vox had a piece on alt-right loving single payer this week.

    The solution to excessive and bad regulation is not nationalization, it’s to reduce regulations and let markets work. For instance, young men pay as much as young women, even though young women consume twice as much health care (mainly from childbirth). Insurance should just be the expected, statistical cost of your health care, with insurance evening out the bumps, not a redistribution program.

    But, then linking this to private companies running prison leads this to a socialist slant, and very white USSR, East Germany, etc., were hell holes.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    From the day that social security was born, the Democrat program has always been to obfuscate redistributionist schemes in the guise of "insurance". You redistribute from young to old, from rich to poor, from men to women and you call it "insurance". It would not be difficult to have a true high deductible catastrophic health insurance program in the US that would be appealing and cheap to young people, especially young men who need very little routine care. Instead we have these mandatory soup to nuts programs that pay for routine and expected care that should be self funded and take away market incentives - if insurance is paying for your (mammogram, birth control, shrink visits, etc.) then you don't care how much it costs and won't shop for them. Your auto insurance doesn't pay for the oil changes and brake jobs on your car for very good reason. And you have this huge administrative structure where lots of your money gets lost in between the time you pay in and your insurance company pays the health care provider.
    , @ben tillman

    Funny, Vox had a piece on alt-right loving single payer this week.
     
    The naivete is astonishing.
    , @MW
    ~100 million Americans couldn't afford free-market healthcare, priced in the manner you describe. You'd see huge spikes in mortality - infant mortality, people with chronic conditions, old people, you name it.

    If you're fine with that, then yes, healthcare financing becomes a very simple problem.
  33. We have had white death for a long time; white male death that is. Women out live men by approximately 5 years. In the year 1900, that statistic was reversed.

    Women use 30 -40% more health care throughout their lifetimes (not just when they are pregnant). when the hoo-ha was going on about ObamaCare and women demanding they pay the same premium as men because anything otherwise was unequal and a “against their civil rights” I did not hear one single peep that men are so badly ripped off on the back end. We are talking hundreds of billions per year!! During the Democratic primary, Barack Obama a black man my age was running against a white woman Hillary Clinton who was 14 years older. Ironically, their date-of-death statistically is probably about the same. Nothing. Not a word.

    I was watching TV last night an Senator Patty Murray was on fretting about Neil Gorsuch’s nomination to the Supreme Court and the roll back of the nuclear option. Her stated prime concern was about abortion. Of course what she was really complaining about was the female imperative. 65 year old women don’t need abortions but they do need lots of white men paying their health care bills.

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    • Replies: @Forbes

    when the hoo-ha was going on about ObamaCare and women demanding they pay the same premium as men because anything otherwise was unequal and a “against their civil rights” I did not hear one single peep that men are so badly ripped off on the back end.
     
    So true. And un-PC to point it out.

    Did not hear one single peep is the definition of a "cuck."
  34. Maybe the White Death correlates with circumcision. Especially considering if such a trend is not occurring in European countries.

    The restriction (the “circumcision”) of their sexual expression might would seem to contribute to the despair and hopelessness that leads into alcoholism and opiate addiction and related deaths.

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  35. @eric
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Funny, Vox had a piece on alt-right loving single payer this week.

    The solution to excessive and bad regulation is not nationalization, it's to reduce regulations and let markets work. For instance, young men pay as much as young women, even though young women consume twice as much health care (mainly from childbirth). Insurance should just be the expected, statistical cost of your health care, with insurance evening out the bumps, not a redistribution program.

    But, then linking this to private companies running prison leads this to a socialist slant, and very white USSR, East Germany, etc., were hell holes.

    From the day that social security was born, the Democrat program has always been to obfuscate redistributionist schemes in the guise of “insurance”. You redistribute from young to old, from rich to poor, from men to women and you call it “insurance”. It would not be difficult to have a true high deductible catastrophic health insurance program in the US that would be appealing and cheap to young people, especially young men who need very little routine care. Instead we have these mandatory soup to nuts programs that pay for routine and expected care that should be self funded and take away market incentives – if insurance is paying for your (mammogram, birth control, shrink visits, etc.) then you don’t care how much it costs and won’t shop for them. Your auto insurance doesn’t pay for the oil changes and brake jobs on your car for very good reason. And you have this huge administrative structure where lots of your money gets lost in between the time you pay in and your insurance company pays the health care provider.

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    • Agree: Forbes, Coemgen
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    "... then you don’t care how much it costs and won’t shop for them."
     
    This guy gets it.
  36. @eric
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Funny, Vox had a piece on alt-right loving single payer this week.

    The solution to excessive and bad regulation is not nationalization, it's to reduce regulations and let markets work. For instance, young men pay as much as young women, even though young women consume twice as much health care (mainly from childbirth). Insurance should just be the expected, statistical cost of your health care, with insurance evening out the bumps, not a redistribution program.

    But, then linking this to private companies running prison leads this to a socialist slant, and very white USSR, East Germany, etc., were hell holes.

    Funny, Vox had a piece on alt-right loving single payer this week.

    The naivete is astonishing.

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  37. Americans without a college degree — People without a college degree — Some dog behind a tree without a college degree.

    The Washington Post story on the White Death seemed to avoid it, so I’ll say it: Whites Without College Degrees(WWCDs)

    Two Princeton professors who wrote about the health problems of White Americans were attacked for noticing that WWCDs are croaking like flies. WWCDs in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, North Carolina and many other states have seen this developing for a long time. That is why the WWCDs voted for President Trump.

    Globalization and mass immigration are being used as a weapon by evil plutocrats to pauperize and destroy WWCDs in the United States. Non-supervisory workers have seen their wages stagnate. Millions have dropped out of the workforce. Mass immigration has destroyed cultural cohesiveness in the United States. Alcohol and cheap drugs — legal and illegal — have become available everywhere. WWCDs have been demoralized and attacked relentlessly in the corporate propaganda apparatus.

    God knows how bad the White Death is going to get when the next global financial implosion hits. Maybe the White Death will start hitting the upper middle class Whites when their assets — real estate, bonds, stocks — decline in price by 70 or 80 percent.

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  38. @eric
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Funny, Vox had a piece on alt-right loving single payer this week.

    The solution to excessive and bad regulation is not nationalization, it's to reduce regulations and let markets work. For instance, young men pay as much as young women, even though young women consume twice as much health care (mainly from childbirth). Insurance should just be the expected, statistical cost of your health care, with insurance evening out the bumps, not a redistribution program.

    But, then linking this to private companies running prison leads this to a socialist slant, and very white USSR, East Germany, etc., were hell holes.

    ~100 million Americans couldn’t afford free-market healthcare, priced in the manner you describe. You’d see huge spikes in mortality – infant mortality, people with chronic conditions, old people, you name it.

    If you’re fine with that, then yes, healthcare financing becomes a very simple problem.

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    • Replies: @eric
    We have a safety net for the poor, probably 50 different ones in your area: SNAP, section 8 housing, free lunch for kids at school, and Medicaid for health care.

    There is very little correlation between health expenditures and health. The best way a poor person can help himself is to simply avoid being fat, addicted to drugs or alcohol. If you break your leg, the hospital has, and will, always fix it, even if you can't pay. If you have cancer most expense is just prolonging your life from 6 to 12 months.

    The bottom line that people can't take is that the poor would have a lower quantity and quality of health care in a more free market system with safety nets (eg, Medicaid), but statistically, it simply won't mean much. To make it so Warren Buffet and the unemployed have the same care would just make health care lousy for everyone.
    , @Forbes
    The tear-jerker argument made by Obamacare advocates was that 47 million were without insurance--as if insurance was equivalent to (and necessary) for access to proper healthcare. Not mentioned are the 6-8 million who lost existing coverage due to Obamacare implementation.

    Recent data indicate 12 million have coverage, with another 11 million enrolled in expanded Medicaid coverage. Medicaid has well documented poor medical outcomes/mortality.

    Obamacare is effectively pre-paid ordinary and customary medical services, with a high co-pay that guarantees funds flowing into the healthcare maw, but primarily is not insurance for insurable events (unforeseeable accidents and illness).
    , @Brutusale
    We don't take no stinking insurance!

    https://surgerycenterok.com/pricing/
  39. @The Last Real Calvinist
    I'm looking at the Daily Mail at the moment; they've got a headline at the top of their page, many photos, constantly updating text, and video clips.

    The NYT: nothing.

    Okay, the NYT finally has a ‘breaking news’ headline well down on their homepage.

    They have a very brief story in which the only detail they choose to note is that it was a ‘small’ truck that drove into a crowd of people.

    Meanwhile, the Daily Mail tells us the following, and more:

    Masked man sped through central Stockholm aiming at pedestrians before crashing into the Åhlens department store Klarabergsgatan. Five confirmed dead and dozens more injured

    Witnesses hear shots fired but the suspect appears unhurt and was dived on by police at the scene and arrested; Another suspect was also held in the aftermath in a nearby street

    Horrifying images show streets smeared with blood and bodies covered in blankets

    Second incident ongoing at central railway station amid fears a gunman is on the loose in the building. Commuters have been locked in trains and bomb disposal squad also there

    Prime Minister Stefan Lofven says the truck crash ‘is an act of terror’ and urges public to clear the streets

    Fears it could be a copycat attack weeks after hit-and-run murderer strikes on Westminster Bridge

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    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    The NYT story now helpfully notes the following:

    Although some Swedes have expressed concern that immigration has led to a crime wave in the country — and President Trump seemed to suggest in a speech on Feb. 18 that there had been an attack in Sweden, when in fact nothing had occurred — the country and the region remain largely peaceful and safe.
     
    So come on, rubes -- it's just a 'small' truck. Sweden is 'largely' peaceful and safe.

    How can people read this kind of coarse, shameless propaganda on a regular basis and remain sane?

  40. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Okay, the NYT finally has a 'breaking news' headline well down on their homepage.

    They have a very brief story in which the only detail they choose to note is that it was a 'small' truck that drove into a crowd of people.

    Meanwhile, the Daily Mail tells us the following, and more:

    Masked man sped through central Stockholm aiming at pedestrians before crashing into the Åhlens department store Klarabergsgatan. Five confirmed dead and dozens more injured

    Witnesses hear shots fired but the suspect appears unhurt and was dived on by police at the scene and arrested; Another suspect was also held in the aftermath in a nearby street

    Horrifying images show streets smeared with blood and bodies covered in blankets

    Second incident ongoing at central railway station amid fears a gunman is on the loose in the building. Commuters have been locked in trains and bomb disposal squad also there

    Prime Minister Stefan Lofven says the truck crash 'is an act of terror' and urges public to clear the streets

    Fears it could be a copycat attack weeks after hit-and-run murderer strikes on Westminster Bridge
     

    The NYT story now helpfully notes the following:

    Although some Swedes have expressed concern that immigration has led to a crime wave in the country — and President Trump seemed to suggest in a speech on Feb. 18 that there had been an attack in Sweden, when in fact nothing had occurred — the country and the region remain largely peaceful and safe.

    So come on, rubes — it’s just a ‘small’ truck. Sweden is ‘largely’ peaceful and safe.

    How can people read this kind of coarse, shameless propaganda on a regular basis and remain sane?

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    From their own website six weeks ago:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/21/world/europe/stockholm-sweden-riots-trump.html

    Christina Anderson was one of the writers on both stories. She must have thought it was a largely peaceful riot.
  41. @The Last Real Calvinist
    The NYT story now helpfully notes the following:

    Although some Swedes have expressed concern that immigration has led to a crime wave in the country — and President Trump seemed to suggest in a speech on Feb. 18 that there had been an attack in Sweden, when in fact nothing had occurred — the country and the region remain largely peaceful and safe.
     
    So come on, rubes -- it's just a 'small' truck. Sweden is 'largely' peaceful and safe.

    How can people read this kind of coarse, shameless propaganda on a regular basis and remain sane?

    From their own website six weeks ago:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/21/world/europe/stockholm-sweden-riots-trump.html

    Christina Anderson was one of the writers on both stories. She must have thought it was a largely peaceful riot.

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  42. @dc.sunsets
    I sincerely hope that Bezos' blog, Carlos Slim's blog and other Newsie Outlets continue this course.

    Double down on it.

    Double again, and again, and again.

    It is exactly the precondition for a break-neck reversal when this decades-long illusion of debt-based faux prosperity ends. When 240 million white people, including all those upper-middle-class SWPL's discover that resources are actually scarce (after 35 years of squandering them), they're going to be ENRAGED.

    At whom? Bezos, Slim, et.al. are habituating the parasites, training them that the squeakiest hinge gets all the white oil they want.

    That's under the FAD of unlimited resources and pathological trust and tolerance. Can we begin to imagine what effect that will have, when the white hosts experience an epiphany?

    The epiphany will arrive on its own schedule. What will those eyes see?
    --replacement level immigration.
    --black/brown utter failure (unmitigated by NABALT.)
    --$Trillions pissed down a rat hole...for nothing.
    --black/brown/whitey-enablers who threaten their children's future.

    Bezos, Slim, ABCNNBCBS, etc., etc., keep it up. PLEASE.

    Double down on it.

    Double again, and again, and again.

    Now you’re gettin’ it.

    Not. Polarized. Enough.

    When your skin is your uniform, we will be polarized enough.

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  43. @MW
    ~100 million Americans couldn't afford free-market healthcare, priced in the manner you describe. You'd see huge spikes in mortality - infant mortality, people with chronic conditions, old people, you name it.

    If you're fine with that, then yes, healthcare financing becomes a very simple problem.

    We have a safety net for the poor, probably 50 different ones in your area: SNAP, section 8 housing, free lunch for kids at school, and Medicaid for health care.

    There is very little correlation between health expenditures and health. The best way a poor person can help himself is to simply avoid being fat, addicted to drugs or alcohol. If you break your leg, the hospital has, and will, always fix it, even if you can’t pay. If you have cancer most expense is just prolonging your life from 6 to 12 months.

    The bottom line that people can’t take is that the poor would have a lower quantity and quality of health care in a more free market system with safety nets (eg, Medicaid), but statistically, it simply won’t mean much. To make it so Warren Buffet and the unemployed have the same care would just make health care lousy for everyone.

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    You're thinking of the young, healthy poor. The huge costs are for the old and the chronically ill. Under current healthcare policy, the young subsidize the old, far more than the rich subsidize the poor. And yes, old people will die younger without interventions. They get cancer and heart attacks and strokes, and nowadays, many millions do in fact survive these things. By the time people are 80, most are taking multiple medications and getting frequent interventions of all sorts, and only the affluent can really pay for that.
  44. @JohnnyWalker123
    According to Petras, here's why academics won't touch the issue.

    Academics receive grants from big national foundations to ‘study addiction’, focusing on the individual psychological disorders affecting the victims of overdose and the social pathologies of the street dealers. This deflects attention from the corporations, which profit from, and the capitalist decision makers, who set the stage for, massive deadly addiction on a national scale. But university careers, peer recognition and fat research grants are not awarded to anyone foolish enough to identify the killer corporations, or the dangerous work conditions, the overtime, low pay, and increasing rates of injuries and despair which send the workers from one killer employer to ‘Big Daddy Pharma’, and the doctors who encourage them to rely on addictive pain killers rather than demand better pay, better health care, better work conditions and a real future for their families.

     


    But these changes will not come from the ‘classless’ research projects of corporate-funded academics, or from the vacuous educational seminars given by NGO ‘experts’.
     
    So he's saying that corporate interests only back researchers/academics who deflect attention from Big Pharma. So if someone wrote a huge paper on the White Death (which is mostly linked to painkiller addiction), that'd hurt corporate profits. Therefore, smart academics didn't talk about that.

    My opinion is that anti-whiteism probably played a role in why academics didn't take much interest in the White Death, but the role of corporate money was a major factor too.

    Also, consider this. Let's say you wrote an article about the huge spike in overdoses, but didn't mention those overdoses were concentrated among whites. That would've been PC enough. Why didn't other researchers write a health article on the overdose rate (except without race discussed)? I'm sure this data (which was publicly available) was noticed by other researchers. It would've been politically palatable to mention the data if race was ignored.

    My answer (to the above question) is that perhaps academics were afraid of being punished for writing this type of article. They were scared of what Big Pharma would think about a paper that linked painkillers to widespread overdoses. Since these researchers wanted big grants and big salaries, they sort of ignored the opioid epidemic's death roll. Fighting Big Pharma is the path to poverty for an academic.

    This could explain why the paper's authors didn't encounter opposition for a long time - until they presented the paper to "very senior people." The "very senior people" were likely wily political types who didn't want to associate with anything their financiers found distasteful.

    Great posts. Thanks. The issue of course is class, and corporatism, and capitalism, not race per se,

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    The issue of course is class, and corporatism, and capitalism, not race per se,
     
    That may be the initial cause, however

    How dare you work on whites.
     
    the 20 year silence is obviously about race.

    The media covered it up because of race.

    The media are doing whatever they can to bury it because of race.
  45. @Achmed E. Newman
    Anyone stupid enough to recommend Government control of your healthcare is not worth reading any further.

    The government already does “control your healthcare”. We have the worst possible system. Massive government involvement, poor outcomes and high cost. It’s lose lose lose for everybody who’s not an insurance company or a pharmaceutical company or a hospital system. We for some reason let this bunch of criminal middle men make absurd profits at all of our expense.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    We do not have poor outcomes. Life expectancy at birth has increased by 8 years since 1970. Life expectancy of a person of 65 has increased by 4 years.
    , @Art Deco
    We for some reason let this bunch of criminal middle men make absurd profits at all of our expense.

    The chemical industry (which includes pharmaceuticals) accounts for about 2% of gross value added in the economy. the insurance sector accounts for 2.8%. I doubt any rent-extraction incorporated into that accounts for more than a modest share of medical costs. (And they're 'criminal' only in your addled head).

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    "The government already does “control your healthcare”. "

    Yes, it does, and it sucks. So you don't fix the problem by going from mostly government control to TOTAL GOVERNMENT CONTROL. When you're deep in a hole, the first part of any solution is to STOP DIGGING!

    I know, we are deep enough in this hole that there is no way out without pain and unfairness to some people or groups. Free markets work, and Ann Coulter wrote 2 columns on this recently - you can find them on VDare or AnyWhere. (before you say I'm some GOP sac-hangar for reading Miss Coulter - she has come a long way, baby, since 10 years back when she was still a Go-GOP neocon).

    I think the lack of any easy way out of this ungodly mess toward a free market is a built-in feature of Obamacare, Medicare and all of that. It's hard to back out of socialism - ask a Venezuelan when you catch one away from the food and gas lines or not rat-hunting for dinner.

    "We have the worst possible system."

    I'd really like to believe that, but you ain't seen nothing yet. There is nothing that can't be made worse via more government involvement.
    , @anon

    We have the worst possible system.
     
    I'd say second. If a state monopoly health care system was as corrupt it'd be as bad for your health as the current one but you wouldn't be allowed to fix your own health either.

    Massive government involvement, poor outcomes and high cost.
     
    The root problem is the high sugar diet - the whole low fat thing from the 70s was sugar industry corruption and a lot of the chronic illnesses people have result from that - and then to add insult to injury the treatment of the symptoms of chronic illnesses were captured also.

    I'd advise everyone to at least look into low carb / sugar, high fat diets. It's finally bubbling through that the low fat thing was a scam and it's making everyone sick.

    People are gonna need to fix themselves because the corruption of congress means every decision is corrupt not just foreign policy.
  46. @Clyde
    No one is stopping black researchers from doing research and studies on any "black death". We know they would get funded up the wazoo by the Feds and private foundations. It would be easy to get funded to set up an entire institute devoted to the subject and universities would fight to have you.
    Some enterprising white academics could do the same but they would get accused of racism for highlighting/compiling negative black behaviors. You would not believe how obese many black women are where I live.

    “…how obese many black women are where I live.”

    Hah! I drive past a magnet elementary school in SF every day. It’s like a parade of water buffalo.

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  47. @Another Canadian
    "White guys" get blamed for everything these days:

    LaVar Ball blames white guys' foot speed for UCLA's tournament demise

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/ball-748709-lavar-sweet.html

    For being “fancy white people,” black woman strikes back:

    N.J. woman enraged by ‘fancy white people’ arrested in hammer attack, officials say

    NJ Advance Media for NJ.com By Noah, updated April 06,

    NEWARK — Essex County Sheriff’s detectives on Wednesday arrested a woman who attacked a man with a hammer and smashed his Porsche after reportedly yelling at him for being “rich” and “white” at a Virginia gas station, officials said.

    Angela M. Jones, 26, of Newark, was taken into custody without incident at her Fairmount Avenue residence, according to Sheriff Armando Fontoura.

    Jones was wanted by Caroline County, Va. authorities in the alleged assault on Saturday.

    Jones directed racial slurs at the Massachusetts man, who is white, as he fueled his Porsche that was hauling his boat, according to Virginia authorities. When the man ignored her remarks, Jones allegedly smashed his Porsche and boat with a hammer, Virginia television station CBS 6 reported.

    http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2017/04/nj_woman_enraged_by_fancy_white_people_arrested_in.html

    No determination yet on whether this is a “hate crime.”

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  48. @epochehusserl
    I think the racial debate has overlooked a few things:
    1. Capital Investment for the last generation has largely taken place overseas
    2. We dedicate a tremendous amount of resources to previous generations
    3. Education is a rivalrous good, higher ed functions somewhat as a hidden welfare system and many outstanding student loans will never be repaid.
    4. We cannot look to Europe as a model as it is struggling with many of the same issues
    -----------------------------------------------
    I could go on but I think my point is that we are a lot less rich than we think we are if we take all things into consideration. A re-negotiation of the social contract concerning social security obligations will take place sooner than we think because I dont believe that
    non-whites will want to pay for the retirement programs of whites.

    >I dont believe that
    non-whites will want to pay for the retirement programs of whites.

    They can’t pay for it, even if they wanted to, which they don’t. They don’t generate enough wealth period.

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  49. The real white Original Sin: Being more interesting than black people. They want us to care about them, to listen to their family stories, to know their conditions. They consider themselves fascinating. But no white person gives a damn about them, because it’s all the same, generation after generation, poorly documented, poorly expressed. They can’t even manage their own past.

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  50. @eric
    We have a safety net for the poor, probably 50 different ones in your area: SNAP, section 8 housing, free lunch for kids at school, and Medicaid for health care.

    There is very little correlation between health expenditures and health. The best way a poor person can help himself is to simply avoid being fat, addicted to drugs or alcohol. If you break your leg, the hospital has, and will, always fix it, even if you can't pay. If you have cancer most expense is just prolonging your life from 6 to 12 months.

    The bottom line that people can't take is that the poor would have a lower quantity and quality of health care in a more free market system with safety nets (eg, Medicaid), but statistically, it simply won't mean much. To make it so Warren Buffet and the unemployed have the same care would just make health care lousy for everyone.

    You’re thinking of the young, healthy poor. The huge costs are for the old and the chronically ill. Under current healthcare policy, the young subsidize the old, far more than the rich subsidize the poor. And yes, old people will die younger without interventions. They get cancer and heart attacks and strokes, and nowadays, many millions do in fact survive these things. By the time people are 80, most are taking multiple medications and getting frequent interventions of all sorts, and only the affluent can really pay for that.

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    • Replies: @Formerly CARealist
    I don't get it. Is there really no way to reduce costs for elderly healthcare? Couldn't there be clinics specially designed for them with docs and nurses that have seen it all and can streamline their care?

    My dad used tons of healthcare before he died but it could have been different. Bureaucracies kept sending him here and there, to the heart doc, to the diabetes guy, for all these tests when we all knew he was just old and wearing out. He knew it too, and had the money to pay for home nursing all the way to the end, so that he could die at home. But man, it was hard and expensive the last year or two.

    I know there's no easy answers for the whole question, but ruining it for everyone isn't the way.
  51. Misoleukism, or White hatred, is fashionable on the left and useful as a means of signalling virtue.

    The fashion, however, has an expiration date, because to maintain the level of social control that misoleukism affords, the anti-white propaganda need to continually be ratcheted up. At some point, the misoleukist bubble will burst, after which there will be much bien pensant back-pedaling.

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    Misosoupism displays the randomness of causes on the left. Sushi and barbecue are good, lime jello is bad, for now. If only someone could influence what is fashionable.
  52. One disincentive for studying the death rate (together with collapsed fertility, unemployment, destruction of family structures, …) for whites is that it is so eerily similar to what happened in Russia.

    “Thou Shalt Not Know”. The zeroth commandment?

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thou shalt not notice.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Why didn't the Russian govt recognize the increase in death rates? Was it due to PC and ant-whiteism?

    Or, maybe, it was due to oligarchs wanting to continue looting the country without anyone noticing the damage?

    Maybe America is sort of like that?
  53. @Jim Don Bob

    Gee, I wonder what reasons could affect rate of infection of a sexually-transmitted disease?
     
    Toilet seats.

    Tractor seat

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    It's fun watching these things again after 20 years. I was a teenager when this show was on, and I don't think I understood this joke back then. lo
  54. @Prof. Woland
    We have had white death for a long time; white male death that is. Women out live men by approximately 5 years. In the year 1900, that statistic was reversed.

    Women use 30 -40% more health care throughout their lifetimes (not just when they are pregnant). when the hoo-ha was going on about ObamaCare and women demanding they pay the same premium as men because anything otherwise was unequal and a "against their civil rights" I did not hear one single peep that men are so badly ripped off on the back end. We are talking hundreds of billions per year!! During the Democratic primary, Barack Obama a black man my age was running against a white woman Hillary Clinton who was 14 years older. Ironically, their date-of-death statistically is probably about the same. Nothing. Not a word.

    I was watching TV last night an Senator Patty Murray was on fretting about Neil Gorsuch's nomination to the Supreme Court and the roll back of the nuclear option. Her stated prime concern was about abortion. Of course what she was really complaining about was the female imperative. 65 year old women don't need abortions but they do need lots of white men paying their health care bills.

    when the hoo-ha was going on about ObamaCare and women demanding they pay the same premium as men because anything otherwise was unequal and a “against their civil rights” I did not hear one single peep that men are so badly ripped off on the back end.

    So true. And un-PC to point it out.

    Did not hear one single peep is the definition of a “cuck.”

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  55. @MW
    ~100 million Americans couldn't afford free-market healthcare, priced in the manner you describe. You'd see huge spikes in mortality - infant mortality, people with chronic conditions, old people, you name it.

    If you're fine with that, then yes, healthcare financing becomes a very simple problem.

    The tear-jerker argument made by Obamacare advocates was that 47 million were without insurance–as if insurance was equivalent to (and necessary) for access to proper healthcare. Not mentioned are the 6-8 million who lost existing coverage due to Obamacare implementation.

    Recent data indicate 12 million have coverage, with another 11 million enrolled in expanded Medicaid coverage. Medicaid has well documented poor medical outcomes/mortality.

    Obamacare is effectively pre-paid ordinary and customary medical services, with a high co-pay that guarantees funds flowing into the healthcare maw, but primarily is not insurance for insurable events (unforeseeable accidents and illness).

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  56. @Seamus Padraig
    So true. What has happened is that virtually everyone below the upper-middle-class level is moving downward: what used to be the middle-class is the new working-class, and what used to be the working-class is now the non-working under-class. Some day soon, they'll probably require you to have a bachelors degree just be a barista or a cashier. And before anyone here starts up with that 'But they all studied finger-painting at college!' crap, no they didn't. People with computer science and even business degrees are increasingly in the same boat.

    i remember the central philly bar i bartended in many years ago, all the front of the house but maybe two had at least a bachelor’s, and a couple had masters. we used to laugh about it–some use of a college degree. but the gig was too good to give up. since then, things have gone seriously south for me and i imagine many others.

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    We had a tenant who tended bar at special parties. She would earn $12oo a weekend in tips and use that to pay the month's rent. She would show up at our house with big wads of cash in tens and twenties.

    Otherwise she was a crummy tenant. Made a mess and was always late in paying.
  57. Too bad we can’t have a cage match – fight to the death type – between Stanford Boy and this Guo character . Wonder who would win ? Either way the rest of us do .

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    @unpc downunder
    Considering about 50 percent of young Americans with non-professional degrees are not in degree-level jobs, shouldn't he say, "the economy has been brutal lately for Americans without professional degrees." Economically speaking, many degree holders are worse off than a lot of manual workers (and a lot of law and IT students aren't doing particularly well either).

    Good point. But I’m not sure that I would include those with non-professional degrees who went to to Hahvahd, Yale, Stanford, Amherst etc. etc.

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  59. Cosmo profiles sexy young Trump staffer Julia Hahn, described as Bannon’s Bannon.

    http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a9174056/julia-hahn-breitbart-steve-bannon/

    Never heard if her until her name popped up as part of the Bannon faction at the whitehouse.

    Harvard-Westlake HS class of 2009! Ann Coulter preemptively endorsed her for President.

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  60. Which option would improve the lives of average America more?

    A) Starting a war with Syria.

    B) Napalming Mexico’s poppy fields.

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  61. @epochehusserl
    This sounds like a really silly question Steve and perhaps it has been asked before but let me ask it:

    WHY SHOULDN'T EMPLOYERS BE ALLOWED TO USE SAT OR ASVAP TESTS AS EMPLOYMENT SCREENING DEVICES INSTEAD OF COLLEGE DEGREES?
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    The SAT and ASVAP tests have a "discriminatory impact" on minorities as well for college admissions. No one that I know concludes "therefore they should be abolished". Why couldn't their usefulness be extended to the job market?
  62. @Achmed E. Newman
    Anyone stupid enough to recommend Government control of your healthcare is not worth reading any further.

    another brainwashed ‘Merkin.

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    Nope, just a guy who understands free markets and freedom. No matter how many brainwashed Americans there are, we still have more men here who understand what freedom is than all of the rest of the world combined.

    "They"" are trying to fix that. People like you, who wouldn't know freedom if it bit you in the ass, are not helping with worthless comments like that.

  63. @Buffalo Joe
    Gringo, greens, beans and yams, favorite foods of blacks, are all good for you, until you fry them in bacon fat or lard and then smother with syrup and brown sugar. Come sooooo close to solving their own problems.

    i’m no expert, but likely you’re wrong about lard and bacon fat–they seem to be exactly what the average health nut lacks. i’ve just begun it, but see weston price.

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  64. Anne presented the first paper once and was told, in no uncertain terms: How dare you work on whites.

    Anne dared because she had bigger balls than the rest of the academy combined.

    Deaton: And these were really senior people.

    Case: Very senior people.

    Name them.

    Now.

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  65. @God Emperor Putin
    A lot of the comments are just pure anti white hate. It's crazy how America has fallen so far that it is now virtuous to hate whites.

    The most sickening part was when a senior researching told her "how dare you work on whites".

    “how dare you work on whites”

    We need to find the name of the senior researcher who said that. This should not go unaddressed.

    Steve. If you find out who this person is, I’ll donate $50. (All I can handle right now due to my negative cash flow.)

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  66. @Clyde
    No one is stopping black researchers from doing research and studies on any "black death". We know they would get funded up the wazoo by the Feds and private foundations. It would be easy to get funded to set up an entire institute devoted to the subject and universities would fight to have you.
    Some enterprising white academics could do the same but they would get accused of racism for highlighting/compiling negative black behaviors. You would not believe how obese many black women are where I live.

    Exactly my thought as I read this post. I follow some black academics on Twitter, let’s just say very few are impressive intellectually. So they may not be able to do this level of research.

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  67. @Gringo
    The university of Texas at Austin has discovered an even more horrible instance of evil White racism.

    Vegans and vegetarians are almost all Whites. So the vegans and veggies are confessing and testifying and castigating themselves because their movement is White.
    They want a special food stamp program so poor blacks Asians and Hispanics can buy vegetarian food. That way veganism can be inclusive and diverse and reflect the "real America"

    I wish all these liberal Whites would all just kill themselves to atone for their original sin of being born White.

    Lmao you can buy produce with food stamps already. Heck in liberal areas some farmer markets will take EBT. The issue is that poor black women are lazy and prefer processed food.

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    A USDA report was just issued stating that 20% of food stamps are spent on snacks, sugary drinks, and desserts.

    Of course, a non-trivial portion of that is likely hillbilly Oxy addicts buying sodas, which have become a kind of currency among some poor, rural whites.
  68. @MW
    You're thinking of the young, healthy poor. The huge costs are for the old and the chronically ill. Under current healthcare policy, the young subsidize the old, far more than the rich subsidize the poor. And yes, old people will die younger without interventions. They get cancer and heart attacks and strokes, and nowadays, many millions do in fact survive these things. By the time people are 80, most are taking multiple medications and getting frequent interventions of all sorts, and only the affluent can really pay for that.

    I don’t get it. Is there really no way to reduce costs for elderly healthcare? Couldn’t there be clinics specially designed for them with docs and nurses that have seen it all and can streamline their care?

    My dad used tons of healthcare before he died but it could have been different. Bureaucracies kept sending him here and there, to the heart doc, to the diabetes guy, for all these tests when we all knew he was just old and wearing out. He knew it too, and had the money to pay for home nursing all the way to the end, so that he could die at home. But man, it was hard and expensive the last year or two.

    I know there’s no easy answers for the whole question, but ruining it for everyone isn’t the way.

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  69. @daniel le mouche
    i remember the central philly bar i bartended in many years ago, all the front of the house but maybe two had at least a bachelor's, and a couple had masters. we used to laugh about it--some use of a college degree. but the gig was too good to give up. since then, things have gone seriously south for me and i imagine many others.

    We had a tenant who tended bar at special parties. She would earn $12oo a weekend in tips and use that to pay the month’s rent. She would show up at our house with big wads of cash in tens and twenties.

    Otherwise she was a crummy tenant. Made a mess and was always late in paying.

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  70. What has happened is that virtually everyone below the upper-middle-class level is moving downward: what used to be the middle-class is the new working-class, and what used to be the working-class is now the non-working under-class.

    There is no secular trend in employment-to-population ratios. There was an abrupt decline in 2007-09, but it’s still within the post-war range. There has been since 2000 no decline in total compensation per worker in real terms (it has increased by about 10%). There has been a decline in cash compensation in many occupations. These comprehend roughly 40% of today’s workforce, not 85%. It’s generally blue collar, but you do see some other sorts of occupations in the set, among them

    Dancers
    Actors
    Musicians and Singers
    Musical Instrument Repairers and Tuners
    Chiropractors
    Embalmers
    Coaches and Scouts
    Sound Engineering Technicians
    Fish and Game Wardens
    Nuclear Technicians
    Aircraft Cargo Handling Supervisors
    Residential Advisors
    Psychiatric Aides
    Industrial Engineering Technicians
    Agricultural and Food Scientists
    Educational, Guidance, School, and Vocational Counselors
    Agricultural Engineers
    Real Estate Brokers
    Athletes and Sports Competitors
    Gaming Supervisors
    Foresters
    Credit Counselors
    Chemical Technicians
    Nuclear Engineers
    Forest Fire Inspectors and Prevention Specialists
    Agents and Business Managers of Artists, Performers, and Athletes
    Meeting, Convention, and Event Planners
    Legal Secretaries
    Desktop Publishers
    Cost Estimators
    Farm and Home Management Advisors
    Fashion Designers
    Tax Examiners and Collectors, and Revenue Agents
    Conservation Scientists
    Human Resources Assistants, Except Payroll and Timekeeping
    Court Reporters
    First-Line Supervisors of Retail Sales Workers
    Vocational Education Teachers, Postsecondary
    Gaming Managers
    Broadcast Technicians
    Career/Technical Education Teachers, Secondary School
    Probation Officers and Correctional Treatment Specialists
    Psychiatric Technicians
    Graphic Designers
    Medical Assistants
    Massage Therapists
    Kindergarten Teachers, Except Special Education
    Mechanical Engineering Technicians
    Orthotists and Prosthetists
    Interior Designers
    Optometrists
    Education Administrators, Elementary and Secondary School
    Library Science Teachers, Postsecondary
    Bailiffs
    Commercial and Industrial Designers
    Appraisers and Assessors of Real Estate
    Dental Laboratory Technicians
    Biological Technicians
    Mathematical Technicians
    Landscape Architects
    Librarians
    Civil Engineering Technicians
    Gaming and Sports Book Writers and Runners
    Elementary School Teachers, Except Special Education
    Audio-Visual and Multimedia Collections Specialists
    Insurance Sales Agents
    Court, Municipal, and License Clerks
    Wholesale and Retail Buyers, Except Farm Products
    Bill and Account Collectors
    Archivists, Curators, and Museum Technicians
    News Analysts, Reporters and Correspondents
    Dental Hygienists
    Instructional Coordinators
    Gaming Dealers

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  71. @27 year old
    The government already does "control your healthcare". We have the worst possible system. Massive government involvement, poor outcomes and high cost. It's lose lose lose for everybody who's not an insurance company or a pharmaceutical company or a hospital system. We for some reason let this bunch of criminal middle men make absurd profits at all of our expense.

    We do not have poor outcomes. Life expectancy at birth has increased by 8 years since 1970. Life expectancy of a person of 65 has increased by 4 years.

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  72. @27 year old
    The government already does "control your healthcare". We have the worst possible system. Massive government involvement, poor outcomes and high cost. It's lose lose lose for everybody who's not an insurance company or a pharmaceutical company or a hospital system. We for some reason let this bunch of criminal middle men make absurd profits at all of our expense.

    We for some reason let this bunch of criminal middle men make absurd profits at all of our expense.

    The chemical industry (which includes pharmaceuticals) accounts for about 2% of gross value added in the economy. the insurance sector accounts for 2.8%. I doubt any rent-extraction incorporated into that accounts for more than a modest share of medical costs. (And they’re ‘criminal’ only in your addled head).

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  73. @Ed
    Lmao you can buy produce with food stamps already. Heck in liberal areas some farmer markets will take EBT. The issue is that poor black women are lazy and prefer processed food.

    A USDA report was just issued stating that 20% of food stamps are spent on snacks, sugary drinks, and desserts.

    Of course, a non-trivial portion of that is likely hillbilly Oxy addicts buying sodas, which have become a kind of currency among some poor, rural whites.

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  74. @Alec Leamas
    But whites are supposed to die off following short lives of quiet despair, Steve. These people are wholly inconvenient to the aggregation of political hegemony by the coalition of the fringes.

    die off following short lives of quiet despair

    That’s muh plan!

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  75. @dc.sunsets
    I used to sell a Schedule II drug for "big pharma."

    While much of the criticism of drug companies is meritorious, it almost always glosses over the much larger elephant in the room: the nexus between doctors, insurers and $$$$$$$$$$.

    "Pain Specialists" didn't even exist 10-15 years ago. Now, they dot every community, and their main business is not prescribing drugs, it's "doing procedures."

    This is a subset of why the cost of medical care in the USA is obscene. Insurers exist in a cost-plus-20% profit guarantee. This is why no insurer in the country complained when the ACA led to hospital systems buying up independent doctor practices...which led to bills for simple things going up 500% or more (because the hospital can add a "facility fee" to every X-ray, every CT, every colonoscopy, etc.)

    I wager that 80% of all medical services in the USA are for "frequent fliers" (hypochondriacs, Munchausen's Syndrome sufferers, even old people who visit the doc as nothing more than a social outlet.) This exists because EVERYONE'S GETTING PAID, >half by Uncle Sam.

    No one complains because:
    --we're in a collective mania that believes in unlimited resources.
    --every dollar Uncle Sam borrows and spends BOTH raises GDP as it cascades through the economy AND IN ADDITION gets counted as NEW WEALTH in the form of a bond. It's a Two for One. Everyone wins!

    This will continue until it doesn't. When that epiphany arrives, all hell is going to break loose.

    Insurers exist in a cost-plus-20% profit guarantee. T

    The ratio of value-added to gross output in the insurance sector is not abnormal. Neither is it in the chemical/pharmaceutical sector.

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  76. @27 year old
    The government already does "control your healthcare". We have the worst possible system. Massive government involvement, poor outcomes and high cost. It's lose lose lose for everybody who's not an insurance company or a pharmaceutical company or a hospital system. We for some reason let this bunch of criminal middle men make absurd profits at all of our expense.

    The government already does “control your healthcare”.

    Yes, it does, and it sucks. So you don’t fix the problem by going from mostly government control to TOTAL GOVERNMENT CONTROL. When you’re deep in a hole, the first part of any solution is to STOP DIGGING!

    I know, we are deep enough in this hole that there is no way out without pain and unfairness to some people or groups. Free markets work, and Ann Coulter wrote 2 columns on this recently – you can find them on VDare or AnyWhere. (before you say I’m some GOP sac-hangar for reading Miss Coulter – she has come a long way, baby, since 10 years back when she was still a Go-GOP neocon).

    I think the lack of any easy way out of this ungodly mess toward a free market is a built-in feature of Obamacare, Medicare and all of that. It’s hard to back out of socialism – ask a Venezuelan when you catch one away from the food and gas lines or not rat-hunting for dinner.

    We have the worst possible system.

    I’d really like to believe that, but you ain’t seen nothing yet. There is nothing that can’t be made worse via more government involvement.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Yes, it does, and it sucks. So you don’t fix the problem by going from mostly government control to TOTAL GOVERNMENT CONTROL. When you’re deep in a hole, the first part of any solution is to STOP DIGGING! I know, we are deep enough in this hole that there is no way out without pain and unfairness to some people or groups. Free markets work,

    If you want to go full Ayn Rand and not give a rip what happens to most of the population (especially among the elderly), free markets 'work'. Otherwise, if you fancy medical care and long term care can be treated like consumer durables purchased on installment, you're in for a rude surprise.

    Keep in mind that the country in 1925 had a considerable census resident in state asylums, state sanitoriums, and state poorhouses. That aside, the range of medical care available and the salience of medical care in determining outcomes is a great deal higher than it was 90 years ago.

    Milton Friedman in his latter years offered complaints about the effect of cross-subsidies on the share of production devoted to medical services, but he was very circumspect about advocating that medical care be treated as a fee-for-service item full stop.

    , @Art Deco
    I’d really like to believe that, but you ain’t seen nothing yet. There is nothing that can’t be made worse via more government involvement.

    Oh yes there is. Pace Joseph Sobran, we have public agencies because there are services which will never be generated by private enterprise and configurations of interest which make for poor outcomes if private enterprise operates without state direction.

    You have a number of problems in medical services and long-term care. Distributional questions are one and gross information deficits in markets are another.

    One problem we've faced at least since 1965 is a haphazard system of rationing care which has generated dog-chasing-its-tail subsidies and wretched inefficiency. Britain addressed that problem by erecting a command economy in medical services. Not the best solution, but it is a solution of sorts.
    , @JohnnyWalker123

    Yes, it does, and it sucks. So you don’t fix the problem by going from mostly government control to TOTAL GOVERNMENT CONTROL. When you’re deep in a hole, the first part of any solution is to STOP DIGGING!
     
    It sucks because healthcare providers (hospitals and doctors) overcharge and often perform unnecessary procedures. It also sucks because our healthcare coverage is linked to our job, rather than a govt-provided system.

    In countries in which healthcare doesn't suck (such as most of the Anglosphere and Europe), they have EVIL SOCIALIST single-payer. Their whites outlive our non-Hispanic whites. They also spend less.

    Our healthcare system is being bankrupted through rent-seeking.

    I think the lack of any easy way out of this ungodly mess toward a free market is a built-in feature of Obamacare
     
    Obamacare is the same as the healthplan devised by the Republicans in the 90s and implemented by Governor Romney in Massachussettes (Romneycare).
  77. @daniel le mouche
    another brainwashed 'Merkin.

    Nope, just a guy who understands free markets and freedom. No matter how many brainwashed Americans there are, we still have more men here who understand what freedom is than all of the rest of the world combined.

    “They”” are trying to fix that. People like you, who wouldn’t know freedom if it bit you in the ass, are not helping with worthless comments like that.

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    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    "Freedom."

    -We've spent $5 trillion in Iraq, but don't get a single-payer healthcare system.
    -We've also killed 1 million Iraqis in this recent war, as well as killed 600,000 Iraqi children during the 1990s embargo.
    -Our media is overwhelmingly consolidated within the hands of few corporate groups.
    -Our media spent years lying about how Iraq had WMDs and ties to 9/11
    -We have minimal union representations for workers.
    -Our politics are mostly donated by a few wealthy donors.
    -Our incarceration rate for non-Hispanic whites (450 per 100,000) is 4-5x the white incarceration rate (90-100 per 100,000) in the other Anglo nations (Australia, Canada, UK).

    The reality is that when it comes to our politics and media, we have minimal "freedom." This is also true with respect to our stunningly highly incarceration rate. When it comes to our foreign policy, we've spread death and destruction throughout the Middle East. Not "freedom."

    "Freedom lovers" have spent the last 15 years cheerleading for a nonsensical, bankrupting "War on Terror." For them, a single-payer healthcare system is "BIG GOVT SOCIALISM." For some reason, giving billions in no-bid contracts to Cheney's Haliburton is perfectly fine.

    When you speak of "freedom," all you're doing is repeating an overused slogan that means absolutely nothing. Some Republican-paid PR firm comes up with this stuff and people like you (for reasons that are difficult to ascertain) repeat it.

    You got to stop listening to Glenn Beck.
  78. @Jack D
    From the day that social security was born, the Democrat program has always been to obfuscate redistributionist schemes in the guise of "insurance". You redistribute from young to old, from rich to poor, from men to women and you call it "insurance". It would not be difficult to have a true high deductible catastrophic health insurance program in the US that would be appealing and cheap to young people, especially young men who need very little routine care. Instead we have these mandatory soup to nuts programs that pay for routine and expected care that should be self funded and take away market incentives - if insurance is paying for your (mammogram, birth control, shrink visits, etc.) then you don't care how much it costs and won't shop for them. Your auto insurance doesn't pay for the oil changes and brake jobs on your car for very good reason. And you have this huge administrative structure where lots of your money gets lost in between the time you pay in and your insurance company pays the health care provider.

    “… then you don’t care how much it costs and won’t shop for them.”

    This guy gets it.

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  79. @JohnnyGeo
    Tractor seat

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ73NKS3B1c

    It’s fun watching these things again after 20 years. I was a teenager when this show was on, and I don’t think I understood this joke back then. lo

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  80. @academic gossip
    One disincentive for studying the death rate (together with collapsed fertility, unemployment, destruction of family structures, ...) for whites is that it is so eerily similar to what happened in Russia.

    "Thou Shalt Not Know". The zeroth commandment?

    Thou shalt not notice.

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  81. @SteveSailer

    Thou shalt not notice.

    Yes! I had exactly the same thought after posting the ” know” version, came back to update, and see that you… noticed… it too. “Notice” is much better, and fits with the Noticing theme that recurs here. I think it makes for an excellent meme (as does your meta-meme of Zeroth this or that).

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  82. @Achmed E. Newman
    "The government already does “control your healthcare”. "

    Yes, it does, and it sucks. So you don't fix the problem by going from mostly government control to TOTAL GOVERNMENT CONTROL. When you're deep in a hole, the first part of any solution is to STOP DIGGING!

    I know, we are deep enough in this hole that there is no way out without pain and unfairness to some people or groups. Free markets work, and Ann Coulter wrote 2 columns on this recently - you can find them on VDare or AnyWhere. (before you say I'm some GOP sac-hangar for reading Miss Coulter - she has come a long way, baby, since 10 years back when she was still a Go-GOP neocon).

    I think the lack of any easy way out of this ungodly mess toward a free market is a built-in feature of Obamacare, Medicare and all of that. It's hard to back out of socialism - ask a Venezuelan when you catch one away from the food and gas lines or not rat-hunting for dinner.

    "We have the worst possible system."

    I'd really like to believe that, but you ain't seen nothing yet. There is nothing that can't be made worse via more government involvement.

    Yes, it does, and it sucks. So you don’t fix the problem by going from mostly government control to TOTAL GOVERNMENT CONTROL. When you’re deep in a hole, the first part of any solution is to STOP DIGGING! I know, we are deep enough in this hole that there is no way out without pain and unfairness to some people or groups. Free markets work,

    If you want to go full Ayn Rand and not give a rip what happens to most of the population (especially among the elderly), free markets ‘work’. Otherwise, if you fancy medical care and long term care can be treated like consumer durables purchased on installment, you’re in for a rude surprise.

    Keep in mind that the country in 1925 had a considerable census resident in state asylums, state sanitoriums, and state poorhouses. That aside, the range of medical care available and the salience of medical care in determining outcomes is a great deal higher than it was 90 years ago.

    Milton Friedman in his latter years offered complaints about the effect of cross-subsidies on the share of production devoted to medical services, but he was very circumspect about advocating that medical care be treated as a fee-for-service item full stop.

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  83. @Achmed E. Newman
    "The government already does “control your healthcare”. "

    Yes, it does, and it sucks. So you don't fix the problem by going from mostly government control to TOTAL GOVERNMENT CONTROL. When you're deep in a hole, the first part of any solution is to STOP DIGGING!

    I know, we are deep enough in this hole that there is no way out without pain and unfairness to some people or groups. Free markets work, and Ann Coulter wrote 2 columns on this recently - you can find them on VDare or AnyWhere. (before you say I'm some GOP sac-hangar for reading Miss Coulter - she has come a long way, baby, since 10 years back when she was still a Go-GOP neocon).

    I think the lack of any easy way out of this ungodly mess toward a free market is a built-in feature of Obamacare, Medicare and all of that. It's hard to back out of socialism - ask a Venezuelan when you catch one away from the food and gas lines or not rat-hunting for dinner.

    "We have the worst possible system."

    I'd really like to believe that, but you ain't seen nothing yet. There is nothing that can't be made worse via more government involvement.

    I’d really like to believe that, but you ain’t seen nothing yet. There is nothing that can’t be made worse via more government involvement.

    Oh yes there is. Pace Joseph Sobran, we have public agencies because there are services which will never be generated by private enterprise and configurations of interest which make for poor outcomes if private enterprise operates without state direction.

    You have a number of problems in medical services and long-term care. Distributional questions are one and gross information deficits in markets are another.

    One problem we’ve faced at least since 1965 is a haphazard system of rationing care which has generated dog-chasing-its-tail subsidies and wretched inefficiency. Britain addressed that problem by erecting a command economy in medical services. Not the best solution, but it is a solution of sorts.

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  84. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @alan2102
    Great posts. Thanks. The issue of course is class, and corporatism, and capitalism, not race per se,

    The issue of course is class, and corporatism, and capitalism, not race per se,

    That may be the initial cause, however

    How dare you work on whites.

    the 20 year silence is obviously about race.

    The media covered it up because of race.

    The media are doing whatever they can to bury it because of race.

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    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    They're burying it primarily because Big Pharma has made billions off poisoning people with painkillers. Big Pharma advertises a lot on tv, so it's untouchable.

    Opioid deaths are rising among blacks too.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/african-american-heroin-deaths_us_56d4b467e4b03260bf77cc19

    So one could create a race-neutral research article about this opioid-driven rise in death rates. Why didn't anyone write such an article? Why not write about blacks overdosing?

    Liberals hate whites so much that they don't even care that opioids are killing blacks at an increasing rate?

    The most logical explanation is this.

    1. They (the media and academics) don't want to clamp down on Big Pharma (who bribes them), so it was best to bury this story about the opioid epidemic
    2. Important people in the govt wanted to suppress a story that'd anger the public and threaten the status quo

    Anti-whiteism was likely a factor too, but lower on the list.
  85. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Professor James Petras just wrote an extremely good article on the White Death.

    http://www.unz.com/jpetras/death-on-the-prescription-plan/#comment-1827707

    Here were the points he made.

    1. The White Death didn't occur in the Anglosphere, Europe, or any other major first world nation. Why is the U.S. unique?
    2. A single-payer healthcare system that offered quality treatment would preclude the need for mass prescriptions of painkillers.
    3. Big Pharma and "pill mill" physicians have played an important role in distributing poison to the masses.
    4. The politicians are mostly bribed by Big Pharma, so nobody ever prosecutes them. Big Pharma advertises a lot on mainstream media outlets, so they're bribed too.
    5. Young, healthy immigrant workers (and also foreign workers who labor in outsourced foreign operations) are replacing American workers at a rapid rate. This has played a role in the rising rate of addiction among economically displaced Americans. This addiction conveniently kills off "surplus" workers, who would normally consume pensions and healthcare.
    6. We waste trillions (over $5 trillion in Iraq alone) on the "War on Terror." At the same time, we can only dream of the type of universal healthcare coverage that many nations (who haven't wasted trillions) currently enjoy.
    7. Workers are in terror of getting laid off, as they won't be able to get quality healthcare. Even when workers do get employer healthcare, the premiums and copays are often ridiculously unaffordable.
    8. Trump did very well in areas that had rapidly falling life expectancy. His victory was a product of legitimate concerns about declining health, not "racism."
    9. The U.S. is not a democracy. It is an oligarchy run by financiers, war profiteers, and corporatists. We also don't have a free independent media - they're almost all owned by corporate groups these days.
    10. America has embraced an extremely rapacious form of capitalism. Workers are literally being cannibalized (ie given opioids until they die) to pump up corporate profits. It is utterly horrifying what has become of this nation.
    11. Academics and others didn't touch this issue because it would've been ruinous to their careers.
    12. The Prison-Industrial Complex (which locks up many addicts) is extremely lucrative. So there’s a financial incentive in locking up addicts rather than treating them. These privately-owned prisons donate a lot to politicians.

    I highly recommend reading the article.

    1. The White Death didn’t occur in the Anglosphere, Europe, or any other major first world nation. Why is the U.S. unique?

    Not true.

    The driving force behind it did happen. All the rust-belt towns are the same – a few years after they realize no new jobs are coming all the proud guys start slowly drinking themselves to death.

    It’s the same everywhere.

    The only difference in the US – the only part that needs explaining – is why the same type of guys in the US kill themselves much faster than elsewhere: the availability of opiodes clearly being one of them.

    One of the common stands everywhere is doctors in those towns knowing there’s no work will often sign guys off as sick so they get a little more welfare. Given the opiode thing this may be a bad idea.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    All the rust-belt towns are the same – a few years after they realize no new jobs are coming all the proud guys start slowly drinking themselves to death.

    The states with below-average employment-to-population ratios in 2016 are as follows:

    West Virginia............ 50
    Mississippi.............. 52.8
    Alabama.................. 53.4
    New Mexico............... 53.7
    Kentucky................. 54.7
    Louisiana................ 55.5
    Arkansas................. 55.8
    Florida.................. 56.3
    South Carolina........... 56.3
    Arizona.................. 57.1
    Tennessee................ 57.2
    New York................. 57.7
    Michigan................. 58.2
    Oklahoma................. 58.2
    Nevada................... 58.6
    North Carolina........... 58.7
    California............... 58.9
    Georgia.................. 59
    Ohio..................... 59.4
    Oregon................... 59.5

    The portions of this list which count as "Rustbelt" would be West Virginia, Michigan, New York west of the Hudson Valley, and Ohio. In the case of Ohio, the difference between the national mean (.597) and the Ohio mean is minimal.

    The two coarse components of the Rustbelt which suffered population losses over the period running from 2010 to 2016 would be West Virginia (which is a mix of Rustbelt and upland South) and downstate Illinois (which is as much a part of the Plains as a part of the Rustbelt). You have a larger set suffering net outmigration, among them Wisconsin (-0.36% over 6 years), West Virginia (-0.55%), Ohio (-0.6%), New York (-0.75%), Michigan (-0.88%), and Illinois (-2.84%). I've spent decades of my life in Upstate New York. No, it's not like you're saying.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    The mortality rate is far higher among American whites than Anglo/Euro whites. Americans are the only group experiencing a decline in life expectancy.

    Anglo/Euro rustbelt areas are probably not experiencing the same gain in life expectancy as they would in a full-employment environment, but at least life expectancy isn't declining.

    The point is that America is doing far, far worse than the Anglos and Euros. That's likely due to the easy access of opioids and lack of healthcare access. The Anglo/Euro working classes are getting screwed by deindustrialization, but at least Big Pharma isn't allowed to peddle deadly substances to them.

    Also, alcohol consumption is falling in the UK.

    http://www.portmangroup.org.uk/research/trends-in-alcohol

    Europe too.

    http://www.economist.com/node/15868581
  86. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @27 year old
    The government already does "control your healthcare". We have the worst possible system. Massive government involvement, poor outcomes and high cost. It's lose lose lose for everybody who's not an insurance company or a pharmaceutical company or a hospital system. We for some reason let this bunch of criminal middle men make absurd profits at all of our expense.

    We have the worst possible system.

    I’d say second. If a state monopoly health care system was as corrupt it’d be as bad for your health as the current one but you wouldn’t be allowed to fix your own health either.

    Massive government involvement, poor outcomes and high cost.

    The root problem is the high sugar diet – the whole low fat thing from the 70s was sugar industry corruption and a lot of the chronic illnesses people have result from that – and then to add insult to injury the treatment of the symptoms of chronic illnesses were captured also.

    I’d advise everyone to at least look into low carb / sugar, high fat diets. It’s finally bubbling through that the low fat thing was a scam and it’s making everyone sick.

    People are gonna need to fix themselves because the corruption of congress means every decision is corrupt not just foreign policy.

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    @Tiny Duck
    Thank God whites will soon be minority

    Nothing in the US is seen as a problem until it affects white people. Until that point, it is personal or cultural failing. So, we keep passing laws that do away with safety nets because the assumption was always that white people didn't need safety nets even when those who actually do research showed that white people benefit most from any safety net, business or person because they are the majority. People reap what they sow.

    I don't wish white people any harm but it's time they realize they aren't in a protective bubble but instead live in the same world that everyone else in. You have to care about everyone and improve life for everyone because like it or not, we are all inextricably linked.

    Well, I guess the peanut gallery had to have it’s say…

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  88. @Tipsy
    Misoleukism, or White hatred, is fashionable on the left and useful as a means of signalling virtue.

    The fashion, however, has an expiration date, because to maintain the level of social control that misoleukism affords, the anti-white propaganda need to continually be ratcheted up. At some point, the misoleukist bubble will burst, after which there will be much bien pensant back-pedaling.

    Misosoupism displays the randomness of causes on the left. Sushi and barbecue are good, lime jello is bad, for now. If only someone could influence what is fashionable.

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  89. @anon

    1. The White Death didn’t occur in the Anglosphere, Europe, or any other major first world nation. Why is the U.S. unique?
     
    Not true.

    The driving force behind it did happen. All the rust-belt towns are the same - a few years after they realize no new jobs are coming all the proud guys start slowly drinking themselves to death.

    It's the same everywhere.

    The only difference in the US - the only part that needs explaining - is why the same type of guys in the US kill themselves much faster than elsewhere: the availability of opiodes clearly being one of them.

    One of the common stands everywhere is doctors in those towns knowing there's no work will often sign guys off as sick so they get a little more welfare. Given the opiode thing this may be a bad idea.

    All the rust-belt towns are the same – a few years after they realize no new jobs are coming all the proud guys start slowly drinking themselves to death.

    The states with below-average employment-to-population ratios in 2016 are as follows:

    West Virginia………… 50
    Mississippi………….. 52.8
    Alabama……………… 53.4
    New Mexico…………… 53.7
    Kentucky…………….. 54.7
    Louisiana……………. 55.5
    Arkansas…………….. 55.8
    Florida……………… 56.3
    South Carolina……….. 56.3
    Arizona……………… 57.1
    Tennessee……………. 57.2
    New York…………….. 57.7
    Michigan…………….. 58.2
    Oklahoma…………….. 58.2
    Nevada………………. 58.6
    North Carolina……….. 58.7
    California…………… 58.9
    Georgia……………… 59
    Ohio………………… 59.4
    Oregon………………. 59.5

    The portions of this list which count as “Rustbelt” would be West Virginia, Michigan, New York west of the Hudson Valley, and Ohio. In the case of Ohio, the difference between the national mean (.597) and the Ohio mean is minimal.

    The two coarse components of the Rustbelt which suffered population losses over the period running from 2010 to 2016 would be West Virginia (which is a mix of Rustbelt and upland South) and downstate Illinois (which is as much a part of the Plains as a part of the Rustbelt). You have a larger set suffering net outmigration, among them Wisconsin (-0.36% over 6 years), West Virginia (-0.55%), Ohio (-0.6%), New York (-0.75%), Michigan (-0.88%), and Illinois (-2.84%). I’ve spent decades of my life in Upstate New York. No, it’s not like you’re saying.

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  90. @Seamus Padraig
    So true. What has happened is that virtually everyone below the upper-middle-class level is moving downward: what used to be the middle-class is the new working-class, and what used to be the working-class is now the non-working under-class. Some day soon, they'll probably require you to have a bachelors degree just be a barista or a cashier. And before anyone here starts up with that 'But they all studied finger-painting at college!' crap, no they didn't. People with computer science and even business degrees are increasingly in the same boat.

    Some day soon, they’ll probably require you to have a bachelors degree just be a barista or a cashier. And before anyone here starts up with that ‘But they all studied finger-painting at college!’ crap, no they didn’t. People with computer science and even business degrees are increasingly in the same boat.

    Like the line in Billions (TV series) last week, “We must become anti-fragile or die”. http://bit.ly/2nX51tQ

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  91. @Jim Don Bob
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co.

    The SAT and ASVAP tests have a “discriminatory impact” on minorities as well for college admissions. No one that I know concludes “therefore they should be abolished”. Why couldn’t their usefulness be extended to the job market?

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  92. @anon

    1. The White Death didn’t occur in the Anglosphere, Europe, or any other major first world nation. Why is the U.S. unique?
     
    Not true.

    The driving force behind it did happen. All the rust-belt towns are the same - a few years after they realize no new jobs are coming all the proud guys start slowly drinking themselves to death.

    It's the same everywhere.

    The only difference in the US - the only part that needs explaining - is why the same type of guys in the US kill themselves much faster than elsewhere: the availability of opiodes clearly being one of them.

    One of the common stands everywhere is doctors in those towns knowing there's no work will often sign guys off as sick so they get a little more welfare. Given the opiode thing this may be a bad idea.

    The mortality rate is far higher among American whites than Anglo/Euro whites. Americans are the only group experiencing a decline in life expectancy.

    Anglo/Euro rustbelt areas are probably not experiencing the same gain in life expectancy as they would in a full-employment environment, but at least life expectancy isn’t declining.

    The point is that America is doing far, far worse than the Anglos and Euros. That’s likely due to the easy access of opioids and lack of healthcare access. The Anglo/Euro working classes are getting screwed by deindustrialization, but at least Big Pharma isn’t allowed to peddle deadly substances to them.

    Also, alcohol consumption is falling in the UK.

    http://www.portmangroup.org.uk/research/trends-in-alcohol

    Europe too.

    http://www.economist.com/node/15868581

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  93. @Achmed E. Newman
    Anyone stupid enough to recommend Government control of your healthcare is not worth reading any further.

    Government control

    You mean like Medicare?

    Among the general population, people say “Medicare is working well” by a 60-30 margin.
    Among those covered by Medicare, they approve by a 75-22 margin.

    http://kff.org/medicaid/poll-finding/medicare-and-medicaid-at-50/

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  94. @anon

    The issue of course is class, and corporatism, and capitalism, not race per se,
     
    That may be the initial cause, however

    How dare you work on whites.
     
    the 20 year silence is obviously about race.

    The media covered it up because of race.

    The media are doing whatever they can to bury it because of race.

    They’re burying it primarily because Big Pharma has made billions off poisoning people with painkillers. Big Pharma advertises a lot on tv, so it’s untouchable.

    Opioid deaths are rising among blacks too.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/african-american-heroin-deaths_us_56d4b467e4b03260bf77cc19

    So one could create a race-neutral research article about this opioid-driven rise in death rates. Why didn’t anyone write such an article? Why not write about blacks overdosing?

    Liberals hate whites so much that they don’t even care that opioids are killing blacks at an increasing rate?

    The most logical explanation is this.

    1. They (the media and academics) don’t want to clamp down on Big Pharma (who bribes them), so it was best to bury this story about the opioid epidemic
    2. Important people in the govt wanted to suppress a story that’d anger the public and threaten the status quo

    Anti-whiteism was likely a factor too, but lower on the list.

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  95. @Achmed E. Newman
    Nope, just a guy who understands free markets and freedom. No matter how many brainwashed Americans there are, we still have more men here who understand what freedom is than all of the rest of the world combined.

    "They"" are trying to fix that. People like you, who wouldn't know freedom if it bit you in the ass, are not helping with worthless comments like that.

    “Freedom.”

    -We’ve spent $5 trillion in Iraq, but don’t get a single-payer healthcare system.
    -We’ve also killed 1 million Iraqis in this recent war, as well as killed 600,000 Iraqi children during the 1990s embargo.
    -Our media is overwhelmingly consolidated within the hands of few corporate groups.
    -Our media spent years lying about how Iraq had WMDs and ties to 9/11
    -We have minimal union representations for workers.
    -Our politics are mostly donated by a few wealthy donors.
    -Our incarceration rate for non-Hispanic whites (450 per 100,000) is 4-5x the white incarceration rate (90-100 per 100,000) in the other Anglo nations (Australia, Canada, UK).

    The reality is that when it comes to our politics and media, we have minimal “freedom.” This is also true with respect to our stunningly highly incarceration rate. When it comes to our foreign policy, we’ve spread death and destruction throughout the Middle East. Not “freedom.”

    “Freedom lovers” have spent the last 15 years cheerleading for a nonsensical, bankrupting “War on Terror.” For them, a single-payer healthcare system is “BIG GOVT SOCIALISM.” For some reason, giving billions in no-bid contracts to Cheney’s Haliburton is perfectly fine.

    When you speak of “freedom,” all you’re doing is repeating an overused slogan that means absolutely nothing. Some Republican-paid PR firm comes up with this stuff and people like you (for reasons that are difficult to ascertain) repeat it.

    You got to stop listening to Glenn Beck.

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    The reality is that when it comes to our politics and media, we have minimal “freedom.”
     
    That is very much true, Johnny Walker, and there are indeed many Americans who use the word "freedom" when they don't know if from a hole in the ground, just like the guy I replied to.

    I agree with you on almost everything in your comment. However, if you're gonna bring up "we could have spent this money on ... blah, and blah", that where you lose the truth. You mean "we should have gotten the US Feral Gov't to steal money from hardworking people and spend it on MY pet issue and my friend's pet issue" That's all crap.

    The money saved by not having an empire, the global war on an emotion, the war on substances that people want to ingest, etc, would not be better spent by the Feral Gov't on SOMETHING ELSE. It would be kept in hardworking peoples' pockets to be spent on whatever the hell they want to spend it on, and that would mean much more efficiently spent than the way even a "good" government would spend it.

    I did watch Glenn Beck on TV back in the last decade. It's not that I grew wiser, but he grew stupider - he actually would give some history on the politics of 100 years back (on his flip-over blackboard, if you can recall) that wasn't bad, but he went off the rails long ago.

    I hope you read this, but it's a really old thread in Sailer-time.

    Please don't mistake people who understand freedom for those (much more numerous) who do mouth the word but are just slaves to the system enjoying their bread and circuses, Johnny.

  96. @academic gossip
    One disincentive for studying the death rate (together with collapsed fertility, unemployment, destruction of family structures, ...) for whites is that it is so eerily similar to what happened in Russia.

    "Thou Shalt Not Know". The zeroth commandment?

    Why didn’t the Russian govt recognize the increase in death rates? Was it due to PC and ant-whiteism?

    Or, maybe, it was due to oligarchs wanting to continue looting the country without anyone noticing the damage?

    Maybe America is sort of like that?

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  97. @Achmed E. Newman
    "The government already does “control your healthcare”. "

    Yes, it does, and it sucks. So you don't fix the problem by going from mostly government control to TOTAL GOVERNMENT CONTROL. When you're deep in a hole, the first part of any solution is to STOP DIGGING!

    I know, we are deep enough in this hole that there is no way out without pain and unfairness to some people or groups. Free markets work, and Ann Coulter wrote 2 columns on this recently - you can find them on VDare or AnyWhere. (before you say I'm some GOP sac-hangar for reading Miss Coulter - she has come a long way, baby, since 10 years back when she was still a Go-GOP neocon).

    I think the lack of any easy way out of this ungodly mess toward a free market is a built-in feature of Obamacare, Medicare and all of that. It's hard to back out of socialism - ask a Venezuelan when you catch one away from the food and gas lines or not rat-hunting for dinner.

    "We have the worst possible system."

    I'd really like to believe that, but you ain't seen nothing yet. There is nothing that can't be made worse via more government involvement.

    Yes, it does, and it sucks. So you don’t fix the problem by going from mostly government control to TOTAL GOVERNMENT CONTROL. When you’re deep in a hole, the first part of any solution is to STOP DIGGING!

    It sucks because healthcare providers (hospitals and doctors) overcharge and often perform unnecessary procedures. It also sucks because our healthcare coverage is linked to our job, rather than a govt-provided system.

    In countries in which healthcare doesn’t suck (such as most of the Anglosphere and Europe), they have EVIL SOCIALIST single-payer. Their whites outlive our non-Hispanic whites. They also spend less.

    Our healthcare system is being bankrupted through rent-seeking.

    I think the lack of any easy way out of this ungodly mess toward a free market is a built-in feature of Obamacare

    Obamacare is the same as the healthplan devised by the Republicans in the 90s and implemented by Governor Romney in Massachussettes (Romneycare).

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    • Replies: @Brutusale
    You need to look into just who was financing "Romneycare" from Day 1.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/09/21/how-romney-paid-for-romneycare/?utm_term=.e9f93f96606e

    A half-billion dollars per annum from the feds helped quite a bit. So Massachusetts owes all of you all a debt of gratitude for helping finance our state's Insurance for the Uninsurable. Who's going to subsidize the federal plan?
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    It's a week later, but I feel the need to reply to this.

    It sucks because healthcare providers (hospitals and doctors) overcharge and often perform unnecessary procedures.

     
    Ask yourself "why?", Johnny. What do people normally do when they get overcharged and get billed for stuff that's not necessary, for their cars, pet care, lawn care, whatever? Shop around, never do business again with them, sue, just not pay or argue it out till satisfied.... No, they don't do this, because health plans are not free market business. When the customer does not pay his own money, he won't care. Then this stuff you wrote about will happen.

    It also sucks because our healthcare coverage is linked to our job, rather than a govt-provided system.
     
    It's linked to our jobs due to more government interference in the market - way back before you and me, Johnny, during WWII, the US government exempted company benefits, healthcare being one of them, from taxation. If that hadn't have happened, health care/plans would have nothing to do with our jobs, just like auto insurance doesn't, nor does an oil change plan with Jiffy Lube

    .In countries in which healthcare doesn’t suck (such as most of the Anglosphere and Europe)
     
    I beg to differ on this. I'm not arguing whether the white people there outlive hispanics there, but there are lots of other reasons - one being diet/lifestyle.

    Obamacare is the same as the healthplan devised by the Republicans in the 90s and implemented by Governor Romney in Massachussettes (Romneycare).
     
    I think we'd both agree that an "R" next to some politician's name doesn't mean squat as far as true conservatism goes. You won't see me touting Romneycare, Romney or Massachusetts, for that matter. I've had enough of Massholes for one lifetime. They make NY'ers look like friendly, hospitable folk in comparison!

    No need to write back under this post (thread). I'm sure the issue will come up again.
  98. @JohnnyWalker123
    "Freedom."

    -We've spent $5 trillion in Iraq, but don't get a single-payer healthcare system.
    -We've also killed 1 million Iraqis in this recent war, as well as killed 600,000 Iraqi children during the 1990s embargo.
    -Our media is overwhelmingly consolidated within the hands of few corporate groups.
    -Our media spent years lying about how Iraq had WMDs and ties to 9/11
    -We have minimal union representations for workers.
    -Our politics are mostly donated by a few wealthy donors.
    -Our incarceration rate for non-Hispanic whites (450 per 100,000) is 4-5x the white incarceration rate (90-100 per 100,000) in the other Anglo nations (Australia, Canada, UK).

    The reality is that when it comes to our politics and media, we have minimal "freedom." This is also true with respect to our stunningly highly incarceration rate. When it comes to our foreign policy, we've spread death and destruction throughout the Middle East. Not "freedom."

    "Freedom lovers" have spent the last 15 years cheerleading for a nonsensical, bankrupting "War on Terror." For them, a single-payer healthcare system is "BIG GOVT SOCIALISM." For some reason, giving billions in no-bid contracts to Cheney's Haliburton is perfectly fine.

    When you speak of "freedom," all you're doing is repeating an overused slogan that means absolutely nothing. Some Republican-paid PR firm comes up with this stuff and people like you (for reasons that are difficult to ascertain) repeat it.

    You got to stop listening to Glenn Beck.

    The reality is that when it comes to our politics and media, we have minimal “freedom.”

    That is very much true, Johnny Walker, and there are indeed many Americans who use the word “freedom” when they don’t know if from a hole in the ground, just like the guy I replied to.

    I agree with you on almost everything in your comment. However, if you’re gonna bring up “we could have spent this money on … blah, and blah”, that where you lose the truth. You mean “we should have gotten the US Feral Gov’t to steal money from hardworking people and spend it on MY pet issue and my friend’s pet issue” That’s all crap.

    The money saved by not having an empire, the global war on an emotion, the war on substances that people want to ingest, etc, would not be better spent by the Feral Gov’t on SOMETHING ELSE. It would be kept in hardworking peoples’ pockets to be spent on whatever the hell they want to spend it on, and that would mean much more efficiently spent than the way even a “good” government would spend it.

    I did watch Glenn Beck on TV back in the last decade. It’s not that I grew wiser, but he grew stupider – he actually would give some history on the politics of 100 years back (on his flip-over blackboard, if you can recall) that wasn’t bad, but he went off the rails long ago.

    I hope you read this, but it’s a really old thread in Sailer-time.

    Please don’t mistake people who understand freedom for those (much more numerous) who do mouth the word but are just slaves to the system enjoying their bread and circuses, Johnny.

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    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Fair enough points.

    I think if you're something like Ron Paul, I can understand that. Low-taxes, minimal govt, maximum freedom to do as you please. I'm not a small-govt guy myself, but I at least understand that philosophy.

    If you don't want the govt spending money on any major programs, at least you're consistent.

    What I don't understand are the conservative blockheads who believe in the following:

    1. Non-stop foreign wars, all of which are against countries that never attacked America (Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, etc).
    2. Massive spending ($5+ trillion) on our foreign adventures
    3. Massive amounts of killing (1.3+ million dead in our "War on Terror"), injuries, and internal displacement
    4. Getting 5,000 troops killed in Iraq and 1+ million injured
    5. The govt should have unlimited freedom to spy on you (NSA).

    Then these same conservative fools talk about how we're spreading "freedom" through the Middle East and how our soldiers are "defending our freedom." Then these same fools rail against "BIG GOVT" and the "nanny state." They also get furious whenever someone brings up a single-payer system, but they're unbothered by the billions in giveaways in non-bid contracts to Cheney's Haliburton.

    People like that have ruined this country with their stupidity.

    Your philosophy makes more sense than what I see from most conservatives. I'm not a libertarian, but libertarianism >>> modern-day conservatism. Too bad most conservatives don't seem to understand that.

    I agree with you on almost everything in your comment. However, if you’re gonna bring up “we could have spent this money on … blah, and blah”, that where you lose the truth. You mean “we should have gotten the US Feral Gov’t to steal money from hardworking people and spend it on MY pet issue and my friend’s pet issue” That’s all crap.
     
    By the way, when it comes to single-payer, you might not agree with it. You still have to admit it's infinitely more idiotic to spend money on disastrous foreign wars with non-existent enemies. Whatever flaws big-govt liberals may have in their ideological stances, the pro-"War on Terror" conservatives are still a lot dumber and more ruinous to this country.
    , @Daniel Chieh

    I did watch Glenn Beck on TV back in the last decade. It’s not that I grew wiser, but he grew stupider
     
    Very true. At some point, he began to seriously drink the kool-aid. No idea what happened to him.
  99. @Achmed E. Newman

    The reality is that when it comes to our politics and media, we have minimal “freedom.”
     
    That is very much true, Johnny Walker, and there are indeed many Americans who use the word "freedom" when they don't know if from a hole in the ground, just like the guy I replied to.

    I agree with you on almost everything in your comment. However, if you're gonna bring up "we could have spent this money on ... blah, and blah", that where you lose the truth. You mean "we should have gotten the US Feral Gov't to steal money from hardworking people and spend it on MY pet issue and my friend's pet issue" That's all crap.

    The money saved by not having an empire, the global war on an emotion, the war on substances that people want to ingest, etc, would not be better spent by the Feral Gov't on SOMETHING ELSE. It would be kept in hardworking peoples' pockets to be spent on whatever the hell they want to spend it on, and that would mean much more efficiently spent than the way even a "good" government would spend it.

    I did watch Glenn Beck on TV back in the last decade. It's not that I grew wiser, but he grew stupider - he actually would give some history on the politics of 100 years back (on his flip-over blackboard, if you can recall) that wasn't bad, but he went off the rails long ago.

    I hope you read this, but it's a really old thread in Sailer-time.

    Please don't mistake people who understand freedom for those (much more numerous) who do mouth the word but are just slaves to the system enjoying their bread and circuses, Johnny.

    Fair enough points.

    I think if you’re something like Ron Paul, I can understand that. Low-taxes, minimal govt, maximum freedom to do as you please. I’m not a small-govt guy myself, but I at least understand that philosophy.

    If you don’t want the govt spending money on any major programs, at least you’re consistent.

    What I don’t understand are the conservative blockheads who believe in the following:

    1. Non-stop foreign wars, all of which are against countries that never attacked America (Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, etc).
    2. Massive spending ($5+ trillion) on our foreign adventures
    3. Massive amounts of killing (1.3+ million dead in our “War on Terror”), injuries, and internal displacement
    4. Getting 5,000 troops killed in Iraq and 1+ million injured
    5. The govt should have unlimited freedom to spy on you (NSA).

    Then these same conservative fools talk about how we’re spreading “freedom” through the Middle East and how our soldiers are “defending our freedom.” Then these same fools rail against “BIG GOVT” and the “nanny state.” They also get furious whenever someone brings up a single-payer system, but they’re unbothered by the billions in giveaways in non-bid contracts to Cheney’s Haliburton.

    People like that have ruined this country with their stupidity.

    Your philosophy makes more sense than what I see from most conservatives. I’m not a libertarian, but libertarianism >>> modern-day conservatism. Too bad most conservatives don’t seem to understand that.

    I agree with you on almost everything in your comment. However, if you’re gonna bring up “we could have spent this money on … blah, and blah”, that where you lose the truth. You mean “we should have gotten the US Feral Gov’t to steal money from hardworking people and spend it on MY pet issue and my friend’s pet issue” That’s all crap.

    By the way, when it comes to single-payer, you might not agree with it. You still have to admit it’s infinitely more idiotic to spend money on disastrous foreign wars with non-existent enemies. Whatever flaws big-govt liberals may have in their ideological stances, the pro-”War on Terror” conservatives are still a lot dumber and more ruinous to this country.

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  100. @MW
    ~100 million Americans couldn't afford free-market healthcare, priced in the manner you describe. You'd see huge spikes in mortality - infant mortality, people with chronic conditions, old people, you name it.

    If you're fine with that, then yes, healthcare financing becomes a very simple problem.

    We don’t take no stinking insurance!

    https://surgerycenterok.com/pricing/

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  101. @JohnnyWalker123

    Yes, it does, and it sucks. So you don’t fix the problem by going from mostly government control to TOTAL GOVERNMENT CONTROL. When you’re deep in a hole, the first part of any solution is to STOP DIGGING!
     
    It sucks because healthcare providers (hospitals and doctors) overcharge and often perform unnecessary procedures. It also sucks because our healthcare coverage is linked to our job, rather than a govt-provided system.

    In countries in which healthcare doesn't suck (such as most of the Anglosphere and Europe), they have EVIL SOCIALIST single-payer. Their whites outlive our non-Hispanic whites. They also spend less.

    Our healthcare system is being bankrupted through rent-seeking.

    I think the lack of any easy way out of this ungodly mess toward a free market is a built-in feature of Obamacare
     
    Obamacare is the same as the healthplan devised by the Republicans in the 90s and implemented by Governor Romney in Massachussettes (Romneycare).

    You need to look into just who was financing “Romneycare” from Day 1.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/09/21/how-romney-paid-for-romneycare/?utm_term=.e9f93f96606e

    A half-billion dollars per annum from the feds helped quite a bit. So Massachusetts owes all of you all a debt of gratitude for helping finance our state’s Insurance for the Uninsurable. Who’s going to subsidize the federal plan?

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  102. @Achmed E. Newman

    The reality is that when it comes to our politics and media, we have minimal “freedom.”
     
    That is very much true, Johnny Walker, and there are indeed many Americans who use the word "freedom" when they don't know if from a hole in the ground, just like the guy I replied to.

    I agree with you on almost everything in your comment. However, if you're gonna bring up "we could have spent this money on ... blah, and blah", that where you lose the truth. You mean "we should have gotten the US Feral Gov't to steal money from hardworking people and spend it on MY pet issue and my friend's pet issue" That's all crap.

    The money saved by not having an empire, the global war on an emotion, the war on substances that people want to ingest, etc, would not be better spent by the Feral Gov't on SOMETHING ELSE. It would be kept in hardworking peoples' pockets to be spent on whatever the hell they want to spend it on, and that would mean much more efficiently spent than the way even a "good" government would spend it.

    I did watch Glenn Beck on TV back in the last decade. It's not that I grew wiser, but he grew stupider - he actually would give some history on the politics of 100 years back (on his flip-over blackboard, if you can recall) that wasn't bad, but he went off the rails long ago.

    I hope you read this, but it's a really old thread in Sailer-time.

    Please don't mistake people who understand freedom for those (much more numerous) who do mouth the word but are just slaves to the system enjoying their bread and circuses, Johnny.

    I did watch Glenn Beck on TV back in the last decade. It’s not that I grew wiser, but he grew stupider

    Very true. At some point, he began to seriously drink the kool-aid. No idea what happened to him.

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  103. @JohnnyWalker123

    Yes, it does, and it sucks. So you don’t fix the problem by going from mostly government control to TOTAL GOVERNMENT CONTROL. When you’re deep in a hole, the first part of any solution is to STOP DIGGING!
     
    It sucks because healthcare providers (hospitals and doctors) overcharge and often perform unnecessary procedures. It also sucks because our healthcare coverage is linked to our job, rather than a govt-provided system.

    In countries in which healthcare doesn't suck (such as most of the Anglosphere and Europe), they have EVIL SOCIALIST single-payer. Their whites outlive our non-Hispanic whites. They also spend less.

    Our healthcare system is being bankrupted through rent-seeking.

    I think the lack of any easy way out of this ungodly mess toward a free market is a built-in feature of Obamacare
     
    Obamacare is the same as the healthplan devised by the Republicans in the 90s and implemented by Governor Romney in Massachussettes (Romneycare).

    It’s a week later, but I feel the need to reply to this.

    It sucks because healthcare providers (hospitals and doctors) overcharge and often perform unnecessary procedures.

    Ask yourself “why?”, Johnny. What do people normally do when they get overcharged and get billed for stuff that’s not necessary, for their cars, pet care, lawn care, whatever? Shop around, never do business again with them, sue, just not pay or argue it out till satisfied…. No, they don’t do this, because health plans are not free market business. When the customer does not pay his own money, he won’t care. Then this stuff you wrote about will happen.

    It also sucks because our healthcare coverage is linked to our job, rather than a govt-provided system.

    It’s linked to our jobs due to more government interference in the market – way back before you and me, Johnny, during WWII, the US government exempted company benefits, healthcare being one of them, from taxation. If that hadn’t have happened, health care/plans would have nothing to do with our jobs, just like auto insurance doesn’t, nor does an oil change plan with Jiffy Lube

    .In countries in which healthcare doesn’t suck (such as most of the Anglosphere and Europe)

    I beg to differ on this. I’m not arguing whether the white people there outlive hispanics there, but there are lots of other reasons – one being diet/lifestyle.

    Obamacare is the same as the healthplan devised by the Republicans in the 90s and implemented by Governor Romney in Massachussettes (Romneycare).

    I think we’d both agree that an “R” next to some politician’s name doesn’t mean squat as far as true conservatism goes. You won’t see me touting Romneycare, Romney or Massachusetts, for that matter. I’ve had enough of Massholes for one lifetime. They make NY’ers look like friendly, hospitable folk in comparison!

    No need to write back under this post (thread). I’m sure the issue will come up again.

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