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From the New York Times:

Trump Sends Troops to the Border
What are the president’s priorities?
By Patrick Chappatte, Nov. 1, 2018
Mr. Chappatte is an editorial cartoonist.

I like how the poor bastard who enlisted to fight in The Forever War in the Middle East is an elderly white-mustached Wilford Brimley-lookalike who must have enlisted on 9/12/2001.

I also like how the New York Times gives its cartoonist a headline and a subhead to explain his cartoon.

Update: Apparently, the original caption read “I enrolled to fight in the Middle East.”

 
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  1. I think this is Iranian. Documentary on the US Israel lobby drops:

    https://electronicintifada.net/content/watch-film-israel-lobby-didnt-want-you-see/25876

    If videos in above link does not work, here are daily motion links:

    Hopefully people download and save.

  2. When did the NYT’s get a cartoonist? Jeez, what’s next, a “Dear Abby” column?

    • Replies: @David In TN
    Yeah, what's next, will they send a reporter to cover the next Christian-Newsom Knoxville Horror trial?
    , @Miss Turnstiles
    Hon - the whole goddamn paper is a liberal "Dear Abby" column. Every person who writes for it, with the exception of a few decent foreign correspondents, is a lefty agony aunt.
  3. Let’s see if Trump can do something because fact of the matter is that the Rising Tide of Color shall not be stopped.

    Republicans will lose House Majority and might lose Senate as well.

    Once POC Representatives and Senators start controlling the country(By late 2030s) ICE, border patrol, Immigration Enforcement will be all gone.

    I THINK By the End of this Century Whites will be less than 10 percent of the population of U.S.
    I don’t think it is anything to cheer about.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
    Another concern troll who makes the mistake of thinking current trends will continue for the rest of the century.

    Come back on Wednesday and tell us how your prediction went.
    , @Alfa158
    If the population of the geographical area presently known as the United States is less than 10% White it won’t be the United States anymore, it will be a collection of Balkanized states.
    , @Pericles
    How are things in Colorado, Mike? The wife got any new black sons?
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    I would bet a bitcoin that Mike Krauthammer is Steve Sailer taking a break from his Tiny Duck nom de plume.
  4. This guy is a cartoonist for the NYT?? Who did he blow?

    • Replies: @Lugash
    Blow.
  5. Golly, is Max Boot doing double duty & working as cartoonist under a nom de plume?

    • LOL: Digital Samizdat
  6. Some of those soldiers look like they’re having a hard time supporting the weight of their guns.

    • Replies: @Lugash
    And they're not being held in any of the normal military rifle rest positions. Or how any normal person would hold a gun for that matter.
  7. A dozen words that speak volumes.

    • Replies: @Lugash
    Yep. It's amazing how internationally focused these people are. Domestic affairs don't even register unless they're abut the Coalition of the Fringes.
  8. Most of them are probably from Appalachia or the barrio and signed up for a steady job and education benefits.

    • Replies: @dvorak

    Most of them are probably from Appalachia or the barrio and signed up for a steady job and education benefits.
     
    Didn't John Kerry make a similar comment back in 2004? You take after him?
  9. I pointed this out on a prior post. I found it odd they used the term “enrolled” in the military. But on this picture Steve links, it has been corrected to “enlisted”. As I wrote, you enroll in school and enlist in the military. Clearly the NY Times guys have experience with the former, not the latter.

    Check out the twitter picture that is still online advertising this article. It still has the old dialogue of “enrolled” versus the one on the actual NY Times website which has been changed to “enlisted”.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    As Obama would explain, corpse-men "enroll" in the military.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    As various people pointed out on Twitter, journalism students enroll, military men enlist.
    , @gregor
    NYT getting BTFO’d in the Twit replies. Love it. They really embarrassed and discredited themselves here.

    This comic is the distillation - by accident - of the cluelessness of the liberal elite.
     

    I "enrolled" to serve and protect my nation, not for some forsaken little country on the far side of the planet.

    Setting troops in a defensive line along the border seems to meet that criteria to a T.
     

    I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the people responsible for this cartoon not only never ENLISTED in the military but don't actually know someone who has.
     

    Man. Smh. You really that dumb? Yes. Soldiers enlist to protect our country. Not some desert they have never been too. Our way of life here.

    Talk to anyone US servicemen and they’ll tell you they have no fucking clue why we are still in the Middle East.
     
  10. @Father O'Hara
    This guy is a cartoonist for the NYT?? Who did he blow?

    Blow.

    • LOL: Roderick Spode
    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    Most droll,sir.
  11. @Mike Krauthammer
    Let's see if Trump can do something because fact of the matter is that the Rising Tide of Color shall not be stopped.

    Republicans will lose House Majority and might lose Senate as well.

    Once POC Representatives and Senators start controlling the country(By late 2030s) ICE, border patrol, Immigration Enforcement will be all gone.

    I THINK By the End of this Century Whites will be less than 10 percent of the population of U.S.
    I don't think it is anything to cheer about.

    Another concern troll who makes the mistake of thinking current trends will continue for the rest of the century.

    Come back on Wednesday and tell us how your prediction went.

    • Agree: Bubba
    • Replies: @Mike Krauthammer
    They will and it might get even worse.
    Show me on example on why you think American MEDIA or Academia will change.
    , @SMK
    When and how will these trends stop much less reverse -when whites become a minority in 15-20 years and blacks and browns and white leftists control everything? Please explain, and be specific. What miracles do you predict and foresee that will stop and reverse the horrors that Mike predicts and foresees?
  12. How many kinds of weird is that?

  13. That might be the most subtle antisemitic cartoon ever.

    The soldier is basically saying, ” I signed up to protect the integrity of Israel’s borders, not the United States.”

    And the sign says “Border Mexico” and not “U.S.-Mexico border”. That’s not an oversight. The NYT wants to portray sending the military as an offensive against Mexico, not defending the United States.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Patrick Chappatte has a Lebanese mother and a Swiss father and was born in Karachi, Pakistan. He is not a native English speaker. Thus the grammatical errors - that's all. I doubt he is interested in protecting Israel's borders.

    I guess editorial cartoonist is another job Americans won't do.
  14. @Mike Krauthammer
    Let's see if Trump can do something because fact of the matter is that the Rising Tide of Color shall not be stopped.

    Republicans will lose House Majority and might lose Senate as well.

    Once POC Representatives and Senators start controlling the country(By late 2030s) ICE, border patrol, Immigration Enforcement will be all gone.

    I THINK By the End of this Century Whites will be less than 10 percent of the population of U.S.
    I don't think it is anything to cheer about.

    If the population of the geographical area presently known as the United States is less than 10% White it won’t be the United States anymore, it will be a collection of Balkanized states.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    It already is not, and it already is. Pay attention.
  15. @International Jew
    Some of those soldiers look like they're having a hard time supporting the weight of their guns.

    And they’re not being held in any of the normal military rifle rest positions. Or how any normal person would hold a gun for that matter.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    Perhaps they are about to attempt an assault course.
    , @Redneck farmer
    That's the new way of holding a rifle, if you have a single-point sling on it.
  16. The Pittsburgh shooting has really unnerved our intellectual class. Usually milquetoast Planet Money podcaster, Adam Davidson, has become particularly unmoored. The complete collapse of all impartiality in journalism is astounding.

    • Replies: @Microsoft Office 2016
    I think he forgot the part where the word RACIST has lost its panache. Although I do like shouting RACIST at leftists IRL when appropriate (ie not in dangerous neighborhoods).
    , @Lugash
    And the CotF is ever in need of maintenance:

    https://twitter.com/aurabogado/status/1057660464937586689
    , @Mr. Anon
    The media aren't even pretending to hide their bias anymore. Look at this recent Times story, ostenibly on the "News" side of the business, rather than opinion:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump%E2%80%99s-nationalism-is-breaking-point-for-some-suburban-voters-risking-gop-coalition/ar-BBPergt?li=BBnbfcP

    Rather than seeking to coax voters like these back into the Republican coalition, Mr. Trump appears to have all but written them off, spending the final days of the campaign delivering a scorching message about preoccupations like birthright citizenship and a migrant “invasion” from Mexico that these voters see through as alarmist.
     
    Hardly a neutral statement. Millions of people voted for Trump who are opposed to birthright citizenship and do consider what is happening to America an invasion. But these are just "preoccupations", not actual facts, you see.

    One of those disenchanted voters is J. Mark Metts, a 60-year-old partner at one of this city’s prestigious law firms. Mr. Metts had never voted for a Democratic presidential candidate until 2016. Now he and some of his neighbors in the moneyed River Oaks enclave of Houston are about to oppose a Republican once again, to register their disapproval of President Trump.
     
    i.e., a Never-Trumper continues to be a Never-Trumper. This is supposed to say something about the contemporary GOP?
  17. Not the midterms? Sorry if i find that statement to be mega-retarded. Wth is that supposed to mean? It has nothing to do w that and everything to do w protecting our border. The troops would be vastly more motivated to protect our border than deploy to the other side of the world (in a mission that is running out of gas, enthusiasm, and logic).

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Not the midterms?
     
    Hey, he enrolled. "Midterms" is just another academic name for something that doesn't happen off-campus.

    These guys-- not the ones in the picture, but the ones behind it-- never leave campus in their minds, do they?
    , @Svigor
    Many a leftist lie is merely an inverted truth; the caravan is headed this way at this time because midterms.
  18. I enlisted to fight wars for Israel. . .

    • Replies: @Pericles
    Those soldiers aren't wearing their regulation red high heels.
  19. How exactly can “the Pentagon” deny the Commander in Chief’s request for troops? I’m baffled how every obscure shithole can have special forces sent to it, but they can just blow this off. I think Trump needs to break out his old caychphrase on a few career generals. Or can he at least threaten to demote and/or remove pensions? Truman fired Mcarthur, right??

    • Replies: @Neuday
    As I read it, the Pentagon is refusing to be Law Enforcement Officers. Considering the military is theoretically focused on killing people and breaking stuff, and also that law enforcement never requires hugely expensive weapons contracts, it's understandable that the Pentagon isn't interested.

    If we could tell the Pentagon that they're going to award $30 billion in contracts for wall construction and the troops are needed for site protection, they might come around.
  20. Mr. Chappatte was born in 1967 in Pakistan to a Lebanese mother and a Swiss father.

    https://www.chappatte.com/en/about-chappatte/

    NYT: Why are a bunch MINORITY white males trying to tell the rest of us fringes what to do? We need to listen to the Lebanese-Pakistani-Swiss more!!!

    • Replies: @George
    Patrick Chappatte (known simply as Chappatte, born 1967 in Karachi, Pakistan) is a Lebanese-Swiss cartoonist who draws for Le Temps, Neue Zürcher Zeitung (Sunday edition), the German news magazine Der Spiegel and the International New York Times. Born to a Lebanese mother and a Swiss father he was raised in Singapore and Switzerland. He also worked as an illustrator for the New York Times and as cartoonist for Newsweek. Many of his cartoons reflect events in Swiss and international news, such as the 9/11 attacks, the rise of the Swiss People's Party, and the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. Chappatte lives between Los Angeles and Geneva

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Chappatte
  21. @Coemgen
    A dozen words that speak volumes.

    Yep. It’s amazing how internationally focused these people are. Domestic affairs don’t even register unless they’re abut the Coalition of the Fringes.

    • Replies: @Coemgen

    It’s amazing how internationally focused these people are.
     
    It appears the goal is to have an empire on which the sun never sets.

    The only question is, who are the principals?

    Hillary?

    Soros?

    Some secret old money types?
  22. I enrolled to genocide Yemen . . .

    . . . not to defend America!

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    I enrolled to genocide Yemen . . .

    . . . not to defend America!
     
    Yeah, I thought the cartoon was drawn by a right-winger.
  23. @Clifford Brown
    The Pittsburgh shooting has really unnerved our intellectual class. Usually milquetoast Planet Money podcaster, Adam Davidson, has become particularly unmoored. The complete collapse of all impartiality in journalism is astounding.

    https://twitter.com/adamdavidson/status/1057232917523505153

    I think he forgot the part where the word RACIST has lost its panache. Although I do like shouting RACIST at leftists IRL when appropriate (ie not in dangerous neighborhoods).

    • Replies: @unpc downunder
    Apparently, the word "racism" was originally coined by the liberal right to describe anti-Semitic government policies, particularly pro-gentile affirmative action in fascist Europe. It was only in the late 60s that the liberal left started using the term to describe informal white prejudice towards NAMs. Hence, when the alt right lite describes the modern left as racist they are reclaiming their own term.
  24. Yes but border enforcement cuts both ways. The NY Post has an article, link on Drudge, where White College Educated Professional women who went for Romney over Obama by 7 points and Hillary over Trump by 22 points or something like it are A. Both highly Pussy-hatted motivated to turn to vote, and B. solidly against border enforcement against the little ninos and their future Uber Drivers, gardeners, nannies, and cooks.

    There is nothing Nice White Ladies like more than a Third World Eat-Pray-Love sh!thole coming to them. So they don’t even have to travel. Nice White ladies never go to Switzerland or the functional places in New Zealand. Too boring. Not vibrant enough.

    Trump threatening to cut off the endless supply of subservient gig-servants to Nice White ladies is a gut punch to them. Expect them to turn out ever single one of them to vote Dem. I expect Dems to get something like 85% of White College Educated women. I hope to God that’s enough to give them the House and Senate, Florida and Georgia are already lost causes. Georgia is going to elect the less talented Oprah clone (Oprah did show up to campaign for her) with bad fanfic level romance novels — and a plan to send the police house to house to seize all (White only) people’s guns and throw the owners in jail.

    Lets face it border enforcement and using the military to secure our borders not fight in the Middle East is a lunatic, fringe position only held by White men, and working class White women. EVERYONE ELSE, particularly those who matter: Nice White Ladies, Gays, Hollywood Actors and Actresses, Media Whores, Hedge Fund bigshots, and non-Whites can’t get enough of dirt cheap gig labor and drowning middle class White America in Central Americans so there is no check on their power.

    Look at Italy — Salvini is powerless against NGOs who are sending boats to pick up “Migrants” from North Africa and dumping them in Italian ports. Again, his courts wont’ allow him to do anything about it. Sound familiar?

    Heck a Judge in Hawaii has his injunction all ready to go the minute the first soldier steps up to the border, and another order removing Trump from office. I’m sure Rod Rosenstein and Sessions and Mueller are all drooling over the unforced error of Trump actually trying to do something about the border — knowing they can remove him with a judge’s order in a heartbeat.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    There is nothing Nice White Ladies like more than a Third World Eat-Pray-Love sh!thole coming to them. So they don’t even have to travel. Nice White ladies never go to Switzerland or the functional places in New Zealand. Too boring. Not vibrant enough.


    It may be this, but I tend to think it's more just a gigantic shit test for white men.

    Let's face it, Gender Studies Jen with her problem glasses and $100,000 in student loan debt doesn't want to screw MS-13 dart blowers. But maybe she'd like to see conflict erupt -- armed conflict -- so that the men she truly wants "prove" themselves to her. Women love drama for the sake of drama. Also, Jen knows she has no real skin in the game -- she lives in a SWPL town and works in an office all day. Her odds of ending up like Mollie Tibbetts are slim.
    , @istevefan

    There is nothing Nice White Ladies like more than a Third World Eat-Pray-Love sh!thole coming to them. So they don’t even have to travel. Nice White ladies never go to Switzerland or the functional places in New Zealand. Too boring. Not vibrant enough.
     
    Are you sure about that? All the nice white ladies and men, who claimed they were going to leave the USA if Trump were elected, all stated they were going to Canada or New Zealand. A few called them out on why they never seemed to choose Mexico as their lifeboat.

    Just this week, Babs Streisand said she might move to Canada if the GOP kept the House.
    , @Tex

    I’m sure Rod Rosenstein and Sessions and Mueller are all drooling over the unforced error of Trump actually trying to do something about the border — knowing they can remove him with a judge’s order in a heartbeat.
     
    That's more insane than the loony cartoon.
  25. anonymous[319] • Disclaimer says:

    Obama is reported to to have said that they were “taking our brave troops away from their families”. How lame is that? Not that people like Obama or NYT types hold military people in anything but contempt, looking down their noses at them as a bunch of bitter clingers. The border area is closer to the servicemen’s homes than Afghanistan is. All this pretend concern for our members of the military is very touching.

    • Replies: @JeremiahJohnbalaya
    "The border area is closer to the servicemen’s homes than Afghanistan is."

    and almost certainly safer. I mean, it should be, right???
  26. I still have $10 says the Rs hold the house. Any takers?

    Proceeds to Steve.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    I don't bet, but I am wondering about the GOP advantage in early voting. Is it for real, or is this just the vote we would have gotten on election day showing up early?

    I suppose the same could be said about the democrats. Early voters for them are guys who would have voted on election day. But I always thought democrats did well in early voting and the GOP did well on election day.

    So I don't know how to read this. My one concern is that the early vote might give the democrats too much early warning on which races need manufactured votes to help them win.

    I'm in Missouri and we always have to wait until the last minute for the St. Louis area to report its vote. They never give out their numbers first. A lot of use suppose that the St Louis democrat machine is just watching the rest of the state's returns coming in and tries to determine whether they can make up the difference without causing too much suspicion. Trump won in 2016 by half a million votes, so they did not make a fuss. But if Claire and Hawley come down to the wire, bet on St. Louis to hold back.

    Another thing they almost always do is complain that blacks are being turned away from the polls, or that there weren't enough ballots at black precincts. So around 8 pm you might hear a federal judge announce that he is ordering the St Louis area polls to remain open for an extra hour to accomodate those voters.
  27. So, Americans join the military to violate Middle East borders than to defend US borders.

  28. Sheesh… Where’s George W. Bush when the liberals really need him?

  29. @Lugash
    Yep. It's amazing how internationally focused these people are. Domestic affairs don't even register unless they're abut the Coalition of the Fringes.

    It’s amazing how internationally focused these people are.

    It appears the goal is to have an empire on which the sun never sets.

    The only question is, who are the principals?

    Hillary?

    Soros?

    Some secret old money types?

    • Replies: @GeologyAnon
    Alfred Thayer Mahan's influence is still shocking, even its not acknowledged or realized.
  30. methinks the NYT has been triggered by the alt-right’s bullyciding them over “the Left can’t meme”

  31. @Clifford Brown
    The Pittsburgh shooting has really unnerved our intellectual class. Usually milquetoast Planet Money podcaster, Adam Davidson, has become particularly unmoored. The complete collapse of all impartiality in journalism is astounding.

    https://twitter.com/adamdavidson/status/1057232917523505153

    And the CotF is ever in need of maintenance:

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    What do the Democrats mean when they say "white?"

    Do they mean "white appearance" (e.g., the Irish), "white acting" (e.g., Ashkenazi Jews), or something else?

    Who do they really hate? The drunken Irishman whose skin does not tan, the well organized Ashkenazi Jew who is financially successful, or is there some category that I have not been able to conceive of?

    Or, do the Democrats hate all facets of "whiteness?"

    , @J.Ross
    >media are a central part of any ethnostate
    Really?
    >outgroup folks won't get hired
    Joe Pulitzer, Oscar Deutsch, Charlie Chaplin and most of the Balochis in Iran might disagree but sure.
    >as is demanded by the ethnostate
    Does she get her understanding of the numerous demands of ethnostates from being one of the groups that is allowed to have them?
  32. @Microsoft Office 2016

    Mr. Chappatte was born in 1967 in Pakistan to a Lebanese mother and a Swiss father.
     
    https://www.chappatte.com/en/about-chappatte/

    NYT: Why are a bunch MINORITY white males trying to tell the rest of us fringes what to do? We need to listen to the Lebanese-Pakistani-Swiss more!!!

    Patrick Chappatte (known simply as Chappatte, born 1967 in Karachi, Pakistan) is a Lebanese-Swiss cartoonist who draws for Le Temps, Neue Zürcher Zeitung (Sunday edition), the German news magazine Der Spiegel and the International New York Times. Born to a Lebanese mother and a Swiss father he was raised in Singapore and Switzerland. He also worked as an illustrator for the New York Times and as cartoonist for Newsweek. Many of his cartoons reflect events in Swiss and international news, such as the 9/11 attacks, the rise of the Swiss People’s Party, and the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. Chappatte lives between Los Angeles and Geneva

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Chappatte

    • Replies: @AnonyBot
    Where would Americans be without Swiss-Lebanese cartoonists to tell us what to think?

    It's funny how much Trump has moved the Overton window. If Trump weren't talking about guarding the Mexican border the press would be calling our wars in the Middle East "racist." Suddenly they've become the very reason for our existence.
  33. Unpopular opinion: the active duty Army is not the Border Patrol. The military has no real law enforcement function due to posse comitatus, and most right wing/libertarian types would bristle at being ordered around by the military, except when it comes to “brining them home and putting them on the border.” Does anyone realize that this will mean active duty troops doing things like stopping US citizens and asking if they’re citizens? No.

    There’s a very good reason that the border patrol exists as a seperate entity under DHS. I want a better border patrol. And the wall.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Unpopular opinion: the active duty Army is not the Border Patrol.
     
    Quite so, and the "invasion" is not a military action by the troops of a foreign power, but a raggle-taggle " regiment of men, women, and children seeking a better life under Commander Trump.

    However, if the Border Patrol is overwhelmed and cannot cope, I suppose the military can provide some backup functions. The Navy can put boats on the Rio Grande, and the Air Force can send up observation balloons so we can see them coming and put the rice on the stove, the Coast Guard can make sure they don't make an end run along the beaches, and the Army can dig trenches and provide field pediatric clinics and vaccinations.

    After all these are people paid by the taxpayer to do not very much most of the time, and they might as well make themselves useful.

    Anyway camping in the desert can be fun.
    , @Pericles
    Such high-minded legalistic reasoning seems rather moot after Eisenhower sent in the 101st to beat down actual American citizens.
    , @anon
    Hell yes. Send a few special forces. Or contractors. A platoon could operate 1000 miles into Mexico.

    Legal? As legal as Syria or a dozen other interventions.
    , @The Alarmist

    "Unpopular opinion: the active duty Army is not the Border Patrol. The military has no real law enforcement function due to posse comitatus ...."
     
    The Posse Comitatus Act was enacted to protect US citizens from use of military force; regardless of whether the invading force is a well-equippped organized military force or a rag-tag gang or band of. civilians, use of military force to prevent their crossing of the border. If they use force to attempt to cross the border, as they did in Mexico, appropriate force, up to deadly force is appropriate. While Orange Man was a bit foolish to refer to rocks as "firearms," his sentiment to have troops reply with deadly force was not misplaced. I'm sure the Israelis would approve while the rest of the world condemns us.
    , @AnonyBot
    Does anyone realize that this will mean active duty troops doing things like stopping US citizens and asking if they’re citizens?

    Oh the horror. The sheer horror.
    , @Tom-in-VA
    The forces being deployed are mostly logistic and engineer units. They are quite explicit that they are going to support the Border Patrol, not act as law enforcement.

    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/11/03/look-troops-being-sent-us-mexico-border.html


    “The Pentagon is adamant that active duty troops will not do law enforcement, which they are forbidden from doing under the Posse Comitatus Act in the Constitution. Troops can't arrest people at the border. Their main job will be to support the Border Patrol.

    This means the military will transport border patrol agents to and along the border, help them erect additional vehicle barriers and fencing along the border, assist them with communications and provide some security for border agent camps. The military also will provide the border patrol agents with medical care, pre-packaged meals, and temporary housing.”
    , @Lowe
    Wow, you are seriously a big cuck.

    First, it's that we can't make legal attacks on affirmative action because that might favor the Chinese. Now we can't use the military to secure our border, because they might ask some Americans for ID.

    Is there anything we can't can't do?
    , @Bee7
    The late Colonel David Hackworth wrote that using Army troops to patrol our borders would be very beneficial because it would force them to learn valuable skills. Two skills that he cited were, tracking, and small unit tactics.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Does anyone realize that this will mean active duty troops doing things like stopping US citizens and asking if they’re citizens?
     
    Yes. I am subjected to useless and degrading security procedures everytime I go through an airport. I am finger-printed and subjected to background checks for my job. I have no problem with some people, me included, being inconvenienced in the service of actually really securing our border.
  34. @Jim Don Bob
    I still have $10 says the Rs hold the house. Any takers?

    Proceeds to Steve.

    I don’t bet, but I am wondering about the GOP advantage in early voting. Is it for real, or is this just the vote we would have gotten on election day showing up early?

    I suppose the same could be said about the democrats. Early voters for them are guys who would have voted on election day. But I always thought democrats did well in early voting and the GOP did well on election day.

    So I don’t know how to read this. My one concern is that the early vote might give the democrats too much early warning on which races need manufactured votes to help them win.

    I’m in Missouri and we always have to wait until the last minute for the St. Louis area to report its vote. They never give out their numbers first. A lot of use suppose that the St Louis democrat machine is just watching the rest of the state’s returns coming in and tries to determine whether they can make up the difference without causing too much suspicion. Trump won in 2016 by half a million votes, so they did not make a fuss. But if Claire and Hawley come down to the wire, bet on St. Louis to hold back.

    Another thing they almost always do is complain that blacks are being turned away from the polls, or that there weren’t enough ballots at black precincts. So around 8 pm you might hear a federal judge announce that he is ordering the St Louis area polls to remain open for an extra hour to accomodate those voters.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I'm in Kansas, right next to Missouri. I had lunch at the HiBoy in Independence today and there was a lot of political talk. Most all pro Trump. They love Truman, but they are supporting Trump now whereas the old line GOP they had not so much use for.

    In Johnson County, they are grudgingly pro Trump.

    I already voted. I voted Kobach of course, but went with the Libty over Yoder just because. And I voted to kick out each and every judge, because none of them has ever been kicked out, and I know at least one of them is corrupt on a Cook County level.
    , @(((Owen)))

    I don’t bet, but I am wondering about the GOP advantage in early voting. Is it for real, or is this just the vote we would have gotten on election day showing up early?
     
    Quite a lot of the GOP early vote is married Nice White Ladies that supported Romney showing up to vote against anyone that might cooperate with Trump. In other words, the GOP early vote includes a lot of Dem votes.

    Most early voters are just people that would otherwise have voted on election day. But some are extra, so you'd much rather have a lead with them than not. And it's historically Dems that have worked harder to turn out the early vote, so this GOP lead is novel, especially in a midterm.
    , @gregor
    All the talk about this or that bellwether is usually just propaganda. I don’t read much into it.

    I don’t know how much difference early voting makes. But I very much oppose it on principle. A vote should be a snapshot of public sentiment at a point in time. To extend it to a period of weeks, which may in turn may affect strategy and deployment of resources is a contamination of the process, imo. Much more opportunity for shenanigans.
  35. @istevefan
    I pointed this out on a prior post. I found it odd they used the term "enrolled" in the military. But on this picture Steve links, it has been corrected to "enlisted". As I wrote, you enroll in school and enlist in the military. Clearly the NY Times guys have experience with the former, not the latter.

    Check out the twitter picture that is still online advertising this article. It still has the old dialogue of "enrolled" versus the one on the actual NY Times website which has been changed to "enlisted".

    https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1058146136807096320

    As Obama would explain, corpse-men “enroll” in the military.

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
    The president-for-life of Man's Country would refer to it as "my military."
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    “This is not Huey are.”
  36. Nicholas Kristof writing in the New York Times:

    Voters, You’re Being Manipulated
    ……

    Trump is deploying 5,200 United States troops to the southern border and said he may deploy 5,000 or 10,000 more. Even the smaller number is twice as many as are in Syria fighting the Islamic State, and they don’t have anything to do at the border, plus the 45-day deployment may end before the migrants actually arrive.

    • Replies: @Pericles


    Voters, You’re Being Manipulated

    But Not By Us, Oh-Ho-Ho-Ho-Ho, Never By Us

     

  37. The cartoon seems like a visual example of Sailer’s law of NYT column writing. Bury the inconvenient information. When you first look at it, the cartoon has all the necessary checklist items for the narrative:

    Belligerent looking Trump. Check.

    Charge of racism (sign pointing to Mexico meaning we are going to fight brown people in Mexico where it it’s bad instead of in the Middle East where it is good) Check.

    Dog whistle to Jews that then proper use of their goy soldiers in to fight for Israel in the Middle East. Check

    Defending the border is just a political move and using hate for votes (mention of mid terms). Check.

    But when you stop and really look at the cartoon it shows a soldier who looks at least 50 who enlisted to fight in the Middle East. This reads as though the cartoonist wanted to convey just how long we have been over there. Maybe he sees that as a positive . However, a more subversive interpretation is that we have been fighting these Middle East wars for an awfully long time which is true.

  38. • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    Good article. Interesting that Mr. Trump, even before he was President, was calling for the closure of US borders,. even to US citizens, in response to another invader, the Ebola virus, which was threatening the existence of the US by wreaking havoc in nearby Liberia.

    Trump ought to consider trade sanctions before military action. Perhaps he could close the borders to banana imports from these Central American banana republics until they agree to take back their huddled masses and the wretched refuse of their teeming shores.

    But otherwise would it not be better to use the troops to restore law and order in the Central American countries that are exporting refugees to the US? The vicious gangs like MS-13 that are sending gunmen to overthrow the US government would be forced to use their resources to defend their own turf back home.

    After all US government has considerable expertise in extorting the working class in a cost-efficient manner, and could do the job just as well as MS-13.
  39. @anonymous
    Obama is reported to to have said that they were "taking our brave troops away from their families". How lame is that? Not that people like Obama or NYT types hold military people in anything but contempt, looking down their noses at them as a bunch of bitter clingers. The border area is closer to the servicemen's homes than Afghanistan is. All this pretend concern for our members of the military is very touching.

    “The border area is closer to the servicemen’s homes than Afghanistan is.”

    and almost certainly safer. I mean, it should be, right???

  40. “How Dare Trump Defend the Border Instead of Fighting in the Middle East?”

    When I first saw this blog post title I thought I was going to be directed to an op-ed by a neocon from NRO or the like.

  41. The tone-deaf Left doubles down:

    https://postimg.cc/tnJ2X80B

    (This is not entirely true by the way but whatever, enjoy the rocks.)
    So what if human traffickers are using the migrants to enslave children? You should have seen what our brave Afghan allies do to their kids!

    • Replies: @bomag
    Ahh, yes; war crimes. One of those gifts that always delivers.
  42. @Lugash
    And the CotF is ever in need of maintenance:

    https://twitter.com/aurabogado/status/1057660464937586689

    What do the Democrats mean when they say “white?”

    Do they mean “white appearance” (e.g., the Irish), “white acting” (e.g., Ashkenazi Jews), or something else?

    Who do they really hate? The drunken Irishman whose skin does not tan, the well organized Ashkenazi Jew who is financially successful, or is there some category that I have not been able to conceive of?

    Or, do the Democrats hate all facets of “whiteness?”

    • Replies: @Lowe
    For leftists, "white" means "white and right of center." So when they go on their rants about the evil of whiteness, they are not talking about themselves or other white leftists, be assured. Those rants aren't self hatred. They are coded attacks on the political enemy.
  43. The cartoon does a great job as serving as a Rorschach test to determine which side of the cultural war you are on: fellow white\good white or bad white.

    The NYT knows its readers and funders. It speaks clearly to them confirming that Trump is a mad racist who has the insane idea that the military is to be used to fight wars defending the US border and not for defending Israel.

    However, bad whites – the actual people who make up the bulk of the military fighting for Israel – will look at this and think that guarding the US border makes perfect sense. Besides, where would they rather be: Texas or Iraq? The good whites have so little interest in the thoughts of bad whites that it probably would never dawn on them that this cartoon could be interpreted in a way that doesn’t support the narrative.

  44. Munk Debate: The Rise of Populism

    Steve Bannon vs David Frum

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=poq5ZrAc7pk

    Last year, this debate gave us Jordan Peterson vs. Michael Eric Dyson and the brilliant Michelle Goldberg.

    I don’t expect much, but it will likely push a little bit against the status quo. Can you imagine what they would be debating if Hillary Clinton had won in 2016?

    • Replies: @David
    Watched first half. Very poor debate. Frum nearly brings himself to tears again and again. Mentions kristallnacht at 24:00. Bannon makes a few points about financial bailouts and the stagnating middle class, but comes off as a sleepy debater, saying at least twice, "We're not talking about not having elections." Talk about seizing the field!

    It would have been nice if Bannon had asked Frum, are democracies allowed to vote on limiting immigration? Or something to bring out the extremism of the anti-populists.
  45. “Defend the Border” Once the caravans get to the US border they disperse, you will not see a Euro-style migrant invasion in the form of columns the US military might be able to stop.

    Life South of the Border: Brazilian works mine while digger digs

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=kPPys_1541171874

  46. @Lugash
    And the CotF is ever in need of maintenance:

    https://twitter.com/aurabogado/status/1057660464937586689

    >media are a central part of any ethnostate
    Really?
    >outgroup folks won’t get hired
    Joe Pulitzer, Oscar Deutsch, Charlie Chaplin and most of the Balochis in Iran might disagree but sure.
    >as is demanded by the ethnostate
    Does she get her understanding of the numerous demands of ethnostates from being one of the groups that is allowed to have them?

  47. “I enlisted to fight in the Middle East . . . “

    He must have been very disappointed when Hillary didn’t become Comander-in-Chief.

  48. My nephew was an Officer in Viet Nam during 1996-1997 period and he said he never encountered a jewish Marine. Make what you will about this significant piece of information. I have heard similar stories about the Army infantry.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Your nephew never met Bill Kristol's Marine son Joseph?
    , @FPD72
    Was your nephew a part of the U.S. embassy detail? What other Marines were in Vietnam in 1996-1997?
    , @David In TN
    If you're talking about Viet Nam, don't you mean 1966-67 rather than 1996-97?
    , @Reg Cæsar

    My nephew was an Officer in Viet Nam during 1996-1997 period and he said he never encountered a jewish Marine.
     
    I met a few Jewish Coast Guardsmen. It's far and away the best service if you want to be stationed in or near NYC.

    The problem with the Marines-- our problem-- is that if they're involved, we shouldn't be.

    Having an expeditionary force just encourages expeditions.
    , @anon
    Did you get the dates wrong? In any case Jews had the lowest rates of participation in the Vietnam war. Less then one-fifth their share of the population. Source; DIRTY SECRETS OF THE VIETNAM WAR.
    , @Mr. Anon
    Daniel Ellsberg was a Marine (although he was raised as a Christian Scientist).

    And of course, there is Richard Blumenthal - hero of Khe Sanh - who served with Colonel Mike Kirby in Vietnam.
    , @Tyrion 2
    There are plenty of Jews in the British forces, but there's not really an obvious opportunity to tell people. It goes against the "everyone is a soldier first" mentality.

    Ron would call it "crypsis"...I'd call it "ethos".
    , @StAugustine
    I did see plenty of stars of david amongst the crosses at the military cemetery in the south of France (along the second invasion route that followed not long after D-Day)
    , @Redneck farmer
    Ohio's state treasurer, Josh Mandel, was in the Marine Reserves.
    , @Fred Boynton
    The coward that Patton slapped, Pvt Charles Kuhl, was a Jew (which is why Patton got in so much trouble for slapping a soldier; he could have executed a goyim on the spot without trouble).
  49. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan
    I don't bet, but I am wondering about the GOP advantage in early voting. Is it for real, or is this just the vote we would have gotten on election day showing up early?

    I suppose the same could be said about the democrats. Early voters for them are guys who would have voted on election day. But I always thought democrats did well in early voting and the GOP did well on election day.

    So I don't know how to read this. My one concern is that the early vote might give the democrats too much early warning on which races need manufactured votes to help them win.

    I'm in Missouri and we always have to wait until the last minute for the St. Louis area to report its vote. They never give out their numbers first. A lot of use suppose that the St Louis democrat machine is just watching the rest of the state's returns coming in and tries to determine whether they can make up the difference without causing too much suspicion. Trump won in 2016 by half a million votes, so they did not make a fuss. But if Claire and Hawley come down to the wire, bet on St. Louis to hold back.

    Another thing they almost always do is complain that blacks are being turned away from the polls, or that there weren't enough ballots at black precincts. So around 8 pm you might hear a federal judge announce that he is ordering the St Louis area polls to remain open for an extra hour to accomodate those voters.

    I’m in Kansas, right next to Missouri. I had lunch at the HiBoy in Independence today and there was a lot of political talk. Most all pro Trump. They love Truman, but they are supporting Trump now whereas the old line GOP they had not so much use for.

    In Johnson County, they are grudgingly pro Trump.

    I already voted. I voted Kobach of course, but went with the Libty over Yoder just because. And I voted to kick out each and every judge, because none of them has ever been kicked out, and I know at least one of them is corrupt on a Cook County level.

  50. @Harry Baldwin
    As Obama would explain, corpse-men "enroll" in the military.

    The president-for-life of Man’s Country would refer to it as “my military.”

  51. @Coemgen

    It’s amazing how internationally focused these people are.
     
    It appears the goal is to have an empire on which the sun never sets.

    The only question is, who are the principals?

    Hillary?

    Soros?

    Some secret old money types?

    Alfred Thayer Mahan’s influence is still shocking, even its not acknowledged or realized.

  52. Perhaps the US Army and USMC should give their enlistees the choice of which front they’d prefer to serve on? We’d immediately have 600,000 men patrolling the Mexican border.

    Also I’m guessing that the cartoonist never enlisted to serve in jack shit. But that’s just a (incredibly safe) assumption.

  53. @George
    Patrick Chappatte (known simply as Chappatte, born 1967 in Karachi, Pakistan) is a Lebanese-Swiss cartoonist who draws for Le Temps, Neue Zürcher Zeitung (Sunday edition), the German news magazine Der Spiegel and the International New York Times. Born to a Lebanese mother and a Swiss father he was raised in Singapore and Switzerland. He also worked as an illustrator for the New York Times and as cartoonist for Newsweek. Many of his cartoons reflect events in Swiss and international news, such as the 9/11 attacks, the rise of the Swiss People's Party, and the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. Chappatte lives between Los Angeles and Geneva

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Chappatte

    Where would Americans be without Swiss-Lebanese cartoonists to tell us what to think?

    It’s funny how much Trump has moved the Overton window. If Trump weren’t talking about guarding the Mexican border the press would be calling our wars in the Middle East “racist.” Suddenly they’ve become the very reason for our existence.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
    The Press would never call our wars racist.

    Look who butters their bread.
  54. @Pat Murphy
    My nephew was an Officer in Viet Nam during 1996-1997 period and he said he never encountered a jewish Marine. Make what you will about this significant piece of information. I have heard similar stories about the Army infantry.

    Your nephew never met Bill Kristol’s Marine son Joseph?

    • Replies: @Rabbitnexus
    I think you'll find there were definitely some. Gordon Duff was a marine in Vietnam and he is Jewish as a matter of fact. Although it seems to be fairly little spoken about.
  55. @Peripatetic commenter
    Another concern troll who makes the mistake of thinking current trends will continue for the rest of the century.

    Come back on Wednesday and tell us how your prediction went.

    They will and it might get even worse.
    Show me on example on why you think American MEDIA or Academia will change.

  56. To reuse a joke I already made.
    I enlisted to Make America Great Satan not Make America Great Again.

  57. How ridiculous can you get? First thing, NOTHING Trump is proposing or doing is INSTEAD OF WAGING WARS IN THE MIDDLE EAST!

    Second the border caravan thing is just a stunt. The troops are putting up tent cities and won’t be stopping anybody doing anything I wager. The show is for his base. The truth is they want more orphan kids for trafficking, cheap domestic help and unskilled labour. He is as happy for all that as the Clintonistas. In fact they were best friends when the Clintons were doing it.

  58. @Harry Baldwin
    Your nephew never met Bill Kristol's Marine son Joseph?

    I think you’ll find there were definitely some. Gordon Duff was a marine in Vietnam and he is Jewish as a matter of fact. Although it seems to be fairly little spoken about.

  59. Even before reading the post I knew there were only two likely culprits: the WaPo or the NYT. Question: how do these outfits purport to speak for Red State America – you know, the people who actually end up fighting these stupid wars?

  60. So the cartoonist believes that the caravans are a ploy in the midterm elections and not as advertised a desperate striving to achieve sanctuary. Otherwise, how is stopping the caravans, which publicly threaten America’s southern border, a part of the midterm elections. Such rank cynicism!

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
    Speaking of ploys in the midterm elections, there's still time for the Democrats to pull off another Hate Hoax before Tuesday to distract Americans from the colorful invaders. Will we see black churches burning this Sunday?
  61. @Bubba
    When did the NYT's get a cartoonist? Jeez, what's next, a "Dear Abby" column?

    Yeah, what’s next, will they send a reporter to cover the next Christian-Newsom Knoxville Horror trial?

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Yeah, what’s next, will they send a reporter to cover the next Christian-Newsom Knoxville Horror trial?
     
    No, they're all tied up in Wichita following up on the Reginald Carr atrocities.
    , @Bubba
    Good one - and if they bothered to send a reporter the word "black" or "African-American" would be censored from anything published.
  62. Anon[358] • Disclaimer says:

    “A good piece about the silliness–and costs–of Trump sending more US troops to the border…”

    Let me get this straight, it’s silly to protect the borders of our country on this side of the earth but not silly to send tens of thousands of soldiers from the kinds of states impacted by illegal immigration to literally the other side of the earth to fight in some stupid war not approved by congress and not in our (the people’s) national interest for maybe 100 – 200x the total cost (and maybe 10,000 – 100,000x the cost in lives)? Yeah, gotcha. Boy, the lies just write themselves don’t they?

    Let’s be honest, that’s what they are at this point – lies. It’s an old Daily Show tactic under Jon “conscience of comedy who totally didn’t know what C.K. was up to” Stewart: pretend that something serious isn’t serious and then mock the person making the claim to discourage others from making the same claim.

    Besides, who gives a damn about the cost? It’s absolutely minimal compared to every other war advocated by the deep state times and even if it were 10x more expensive it would still be worth it as it is vital to our nation’s interests. One of the basic responsibilities of any state is the protection of its borders. A state that won’t do that is no state at all, and any ruling elite that opposes it should be deposed.

    “Dear Media, here is the clear truth: Donald Trump is explicitly seeking to turn America into a white Ethnostate.”

    That’s called projection, buddy. Leftist liars are particularly good at it. Basically, the guy accuses others of what he tacitly does or wants himself. Otherwise, he would oppose the 1965 immigration act which puts quotas on European immigration and oppose birthright citizenship and support lowering legal immigration. His failure to support those commonsense and popular proposals makes it clear what he really wants.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    One of the basic responsibilities of any state is the protection of its borders. A state that won’t do that is no state at all, and any ruling elite that opposes it should be deposed.
     
    Florida is a state that does not seem to do a very good job of protecting its borders. All kinds of riff-raff arriving all the time on I-95 and I-10, and vans with blacked out windows carrying illegal orange pickers and lemon squeezers with impunity.
    , @anon
    Its "silly" for whites to do something that is in their own racial interests but it is "smart" to do something that only benefits Jews.

    So says our Jewish owned and dominated mainstream news media.
  63. @Pat Murphy
    My nephew was an Officer in Viet Nam during 1996-1997 period and he said he never encountered a jewish Marine. Make what you will about this significant piece of information. I have heard similar stories about the Army infantry.

    Was your nephew a part of the U.S. embassy detail? What other Marines were in Vietnam in 1996-1997?

  64. @Pat Murphy
    My nephew was an Officer in Viet Nam during 1996-1997 period and he said he never encountered a jewish Marine. Make what you will about this significant piece of information. I have heard similar stories about the Army infantry.

    If you’re talking about Viet Nam, don’t you mean 1966-67 rather than 1996-97?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    If you’re talking about Viet Nam, don’t you mean 1966-67 rather than 1996-97?
     
    He was late for his physical.
    , @BenKenobi
    Dialogue from Always Sunny:

    Frank: I met him when I was in Vietnam.
    Mac: Whoa I didn't know you were in Vietnam!
    Dennis: Slow down. He went there in 1996 to open a sweat shop.
    Frank: And a lot of good men died in that sweat shop!
  65. @Buck Turgidson
    Not the midterms? Sorry if i find that statement to be mega-retarded. Wth is that supposed to mean? It has nothing to do w that and everything to do w protecting our border. The troops would be vastly more motivated to protect our border than deploy to the other side of the world (in a mission that is running out of gas, enthusiasm, and logic).

    Not the midterms?

    Hey, he enrolled. “Midterms” is just another academic name for something that doesn’t happen off-campus.

    These guys– not the ones in the picture, but the ones behind it– never leave campus in their minds, do they?

  66. @Nathan
    Unpopular opinion: the active duty Army is not the Border Patrol. The military has no real law enforcement function due to posse comitatus, and most right wing/libertarian types would bristle at being ordered around by the military, except when it comes to "brining them home and putting them on the border." Does anyone realize that this will mean active duty troops doing things like stopping US citizens and asking if they're citizens? No.

    There's a very good reason that the border patrol exists as a seperate entity under DHS. I want a better border patrol. And the wall.

    Unpopular opinion: the active duty Army is not the Border Patrol.

    Quite so, and the “invasion” is not a military action by the troops of a foreign power, but a raggle-taggle ” regiment of men, women, and children seeking a better life under Commander Trump.

    However, if the Border Patrol is overwhelmed and cannot cope, I suppose the military can provide some backup functions. The Navy can put boats on the Rio Grande, and the Air Force can send up observation balloons so we can see them coming and put the rice on the stove, the Coast Guard can make sure they don’t make an end run along the beaches, and the Army can dig trenches and provide field pediatric clinics and vaccinations.

    After all these are people paid by the taxpayer to do not very much most of the time, and they might as well make themselves useful.

    Anyway camping in the desert can be fun.

    • Replies: @Nathan
    "However, if the Border Patrol is overwhelmed and cannot cope, I suppose the military can provide some backup functions."

    That's essentially what's happening here, and it's usually a mission more suited to the National Guard. The Guard tends to be made up of a greater proportion of logistics and sustainment elements, while the active components are more combat focused.
  67. @David In TN
    If you're talking about Viet Nam, don't you mean 1966-67 rather than 1996-97?

    If you’re talking about Viet Nam, don’t you mean 1966-67 rather than 1996-97?

    He was late for his physical.

  68. @Anon
    "A good piece about the silliness--and costs--of Trump sending more US troops to the border..."

    Let me get this straight, it's silly to protect the borders of our country on this side of the earth but not silly to send tens of thousands of soldiers from the kinds of states impacted by illegal immigration to literally the other side of the earth to fight in some stupid war not approved by congress and not in our (the people's) national interest for maybe 100 - 200x the total cost (and maybe 10,000 - 100,000x the cost in lives)? Yeah, gotcha. Boy, the lies just write themselves don't they?

    Let's be honest, that's what they are at this point - lies. It's an old Daily Show tactic under Jon "conscience of comedy who totally didn't know what C.K. was up to" Stewart: pretend that something serious isn't serious and then mock the person making the claim to discourage others from making the same claim.

    Besides, who gives a damn about the cost? It's absolutely minimal compared to every other war advocated by the deep state times and even if it were 10x more expensive it would still be worth it as it is vital to our nation's interests. One of the basic responsibilities of any state is the protection of its borders. A state that won't do that is no state at all, and any ruling elite that opposes it should be deposed.

    "Dear Media, here is the clear truth: Donald Trump is explicitly seeking to turn America into a white Ethnostate."

    That's called projection, buddy. Leftist liars are particularly good at it. Basically, the guy accuses others of what he tacitly does or wants himself. Otherwise, he would oppose the 1965 immigration act which puts quotas on European immigration and oppose birthright citizenship and support lowering legal immigration. His failure to support those commonsense and popular proposals makes it clear what he really wants.

    One of the basic responsibilities of any state is the protection of its borders. A state that won’t do that is no state at all, and any ruling elite that opposes it should be deposed.

    Florida is a state that does not seem to do a very good job of protecting its borders. All kinds of riff-raff arriving all the time on I-95 and I-10, and vans with blacked out windows carrying illegal orange pickers and lemon squeezers with impunity.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Florida is a state that does not seem to do a very good job of protecting its borders.
     
    Florida is not Switzerland. The highest point in the state is 345 feet.

    (The Dade County Courthouse topped that as early as 1928.)

    So defending Florida is like Holland facing Blitzkrieg. Just phone in your surrender.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    Jonathon, the caravan of Canadian invaders heading for Florida has already begun. All those Canadians that distain all things American except our Southern beaches starting at SC and on down
  69. I always fume when leftists express concern about the ‘cost’ of using our military. 55% of the cost of our military is spent on personnel. Those are fixed costs whether the soldiers stay in barracks or are deployed. True, soldiers are given combat pay when deployed in a war zone but, so far, the US/Mexico border is not a war zone so that will not apply. There are operational costs of course but fuel for military vehicles does not cost $20 per gallon in Texas unlike Afghanistan nor is there a risk of tankers being blown up.

    The deployment to the border will provide good training as well. There isn’t much difference between hunting down Taliban and hunting down illegal aliens on the border except it is not near as dangerous to hunt the illegal aliens.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    ... so far, the US/Mexico border is not a war zone so that will not apply.
     
    Never mind that it's far more dangerous than the Middle East. It was reported in the "first" Gulf War that soldiers were statistically safer in Iraq than they were stateside.
  70. For the 1000th time, I get to hear and read BS that US troops are not allowed to defend the USA at the border because of the Posse Comitatus Act. I wrote about this a decade ago:

    http://www.g2mil.com/border.htm

    This includes:

    “Guarding US borders from foreign invasion is not “law enforcement.” The US Army exists to defend the USA from foreign invasion, which is expressly authorized by the US Constitution. Guarding the Mexican border was the Army’s primary peacetime mission until 1940 and no one ever declared this was in violation of this 1878 act. The US Border Patrol wasn’t even formed until 1924, so claiming the intent of this law was to prevent US Army troops from guarding the border is absurd.”

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    For the 1000th time, I get to hear and read BS that US troops are not allowed to defend the USA at the border because of the Posse Comitatus Act.
     
    I know. It's possibly the stupidest leftist lie ever.
  71. @Pat Murphy
    My nephew was an Officer in Viet Nam during 1996-1997 period and he said he never encountered a jewish Marine. Make what you will about this significant piece of information. I have heard similar stories about the Army infantry.

    My nephew was an Officer in Viet Nam during 1996-1997 period and he said he never encountered a jewish Marine.

    I met a few Jewish Coast Guardsmen. It’s far and away the best service if you want to be stationed in or near NYC.

    The problem with the Marines– our problem– is that if they’re involved, we shouldn’t be.

    Having an expeditionary force just encourages expeditions.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite

    I met a few Jewish Coast Guardsmen. It’s far and away the best service if you want to be stationed in or near NYC.
     
    During WW2 the Coast Guard was sometimes referred to as "Abey's Navy"
  72. Holy shit I thought that was an alt-right cartoon until I saw the NYT siggy bottom right.

    What’s introspection, goy?

    • Agree: silviosilver
  73. @Jonathan Mason

    One of the basic responsibilities of any state is the protection of its borders. A state that won’t do that is no state at all, and any ruling elite that opposes it should be deposed.
     
    Florida is a state that does not seem to do a very good job of protecting its borders. All kinds of riff-raff arriving all the time on I-95 and I-10, and vans with blacked out windows carrying illegal orange pickers and lemon squeezers with impunity.

    Florida is a state that does not seem to do a very good job of protecting its borders.

    Florida is not Switzerland. The highest point in the state is 345 feet.

    (The Dade County Courthouse topped that as early as 1928.)

    So defending Florida is like Holland facing Blitzkrieg. Just phone in your surrender.

  74. @John Gruskos
    I enrolled to genocide Yemen . . .

    . . . not to defend America!

    I enrolled to genocide Yemen . . .

    . . . not to defend America!

    Yeah, I thought the cartoon was drawn by a right-winger.

  75. @unit472
    I always fume when leftists express concern about the 'cost' of using our military. 55% of the cost of our military is spent on personnel. Those are fixed costs whether the soldiers stay in barracks or are deployed. True, soldiers are given combat pay when deployed in a war zone but, so far, the US/Mexico border is not a war zone so that will not apply. There are operational costs of course but fuel for military vehicles does not cost $20 per gallon in Texas unlike Afghanistan nor is there a risk of tankers being blown up.

    The deployment to the border will provide good training as well. There isn't much difference between hunting down Taliban and hunting down illegal aliens on the border except it is not near as dangerous to hunt the illegal aliens.

    … so far, the US/Mexico border is not a war zone so that will not apply.

    Never mind that it’s far more dangerous than the Middle East. It was reported in the “first” Gulf War that soldiers were statistically safer in Iraq than they were stateside.

  76. @David In TN
    Yeah, what's next, will they send a reporter to cover the next Christian-Newsom Knoxville Horror trial?

    Yeah, what’s next, will they send a reporter to cover the next Christian-Newsom Knoxville Horror trial?

    No, they’re all tied up in Wichita following up on the Reginald Carr atrocities.

  77. anon[355] • Disclaimer says:

    The only reason for American troops to be in the middle east is to protect Israel and do the bidding of JEWS. So heaven forbid America should actually try to use its OWN ARMY to defend its OWN TERRITORY.

    Don’t American soldiers know they are cannon fodder for the Zionists?

  78. @Buck Turgidson
    Not the midterms? Sorry if i find that statement to be mega-retarded. Wth is that supposed to mean? It has nothing to do w that and everything to do w protecting our border. The troops would be vastly more motivated to protect our border than deploy to the other side of the world (in a mission that is running out of gas, enthusiasm, and logic).

    Many a leftist lie is merely an inverted truth; the caravan is headed this way at this time because midterms.

  79. @Carlton Meyer
    For the 1000th time, I get to hear and read BS that US troops are not allowed to defend the USA at the border because of the Posse Comitatus Act. I wrote about this a decade ago:

    http://www.g2mil.com/border.htm

    This includes:

    "Guarding US borders from foreign invasion is not "law enforcement." The US Army exists to defend the USA from foreign invasion, which is expressly authorized by the US Constitution. Guarding the Mexican border was the Army's primary peacetime mission until 1940 and no one ever declared this was in violation of this 1878 act. The US Border Patrol wasn't even formed until 1924, so claiming the intent of this law was to prevent US Army troops from guarding the border is absurd."

    For the 1000th time, I get to hear and read BS that US troops are not allowed to defend the USA at the border because of the Posse Comitatus Act.

    I know. It’s possibly the stupidest leftist lie ever.

  80. @Pat Murphy
    My nephew was an Officer in Viet Nam during 1996-1997 period and he said he never encountered a jewish Marine. Make what you will about this significant piece of information. I have heard similar stories about the Army infantry.

    Did you get the dates wrong? In any case Jews had the lowest rates of participation in the Vietnam war. Less then one-fifth their share of the population. Source; DIRTY SECRETS OF THE VIETNAM WAR.

  81. @Anon
    "A good piece about the silliness--and costs--of Trump sending more US troops to the border..."

    Let me get this straight, it's silly to protect the borders of our country on this side of the earth but not silly to send tens of thousands of soldiers from the kinds of states impacted by illegal immigration to literally the other side of the earth to fight in some stupid war not approved by congress and not in our (the people's) national interest for maybe 100 - 200x the total cost (and maybe 10,000 - 100,000x the cost in lives)? Yeah, gotcha. Boy, the lies just write themselves don't they?

    Let's be honest, that's what they are at this point - lies. It's an old Daily Show tactic under Jon "conscience of comedy who totally didn't know what C.K. was up to" Stewart: pretend that something serious isn't serious and then mock the person making the claim to discourage others from making the same claim.

    Besides, who gives a damn about the cost? It's absolutely minimal compared to every other war advocated by the deep state times and even if it were 10x more expensive it would still be worth it as it is vital to our nation's interests. One of the basic responsibilities of any state is the protection of its borders. A state that won't do that is no state at all, and any ruling elite that opposes it should be deposed.

    "Dear Media, here is the clear truth: Donald Trump is explicitly seeking to turn America into a white Ethnostate."

    That's called projection, buddy. Leftist liars are particularly good at it. Basically, the guy accuses others of what he tacitly does or wants himself. Otherwise, he would oppose the 1965 immigration act which puts quotas on European immigration and oppose birthright citizenship and support lowering legal immigration. His failure to support those commonsense and popular proposals makes it clear what he really wants.

    Its “silly” for whites to do something that is in their own racial interests but it is “smart” to do something that only benefits Jews.

    So says our Jewish owned and dominated mainstream news media.

  82. The Chicago Tribune is joining the NY Times in its criticism of the border deployment. According to the Tribune Trump is putting the lives of our servicemen in jeopardy.

    Do they say this crap about all the guys deployed overseas?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    If deploying troops to the US-Mexico border puts them at risk then they most certainly should be deployed to the US-Mexico border.

    Who else is going to tackle that risk? I hope they get some sweet operational pay from this and it counts towards their days out of bed.

    Do they say this crap about all the guys deployed overseas?
     
    Yeah, they don't. Amazing...
    , @Flip
    Huppke is one of the reasons I canceled my Tribune subscription. Col. McCormick would not approve.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    Liberals have always embraced war. It's remarkable how silent the extreme left, the shock troops of present day liberals, is on the forever wars. Let's hope they destroy themselves with their identity politics weapon.
  83. Trump has a problem with the caravans because he / we look / are so ineffective at preventing a camp of the saints bum rush. IMHO, he is taking advantage of the crisis to permanently park the military on the Southern border to up the ante. Same with declaring his desire to issue an EO to end birthright citizenship. He cannot stop most of them from getting in but he can start laying the infrastructure needed for effective border security. Congress has blocked the building of the actual wall but as the Commander in Chief, Trump can start building on Federal land using the Army all the roads, communications, and foundation work for the wall which can be build later but much quicker because the prep work is already done. By countering the caravan invasion with action, it will build momentum for the wall and create the air if inevitability that will make its eventual construction unstoppable.

    https://www.breitbart.com/midterm-election/2018/11/02/exclusive-duncan-hunter-to-build-the-wall-start-with-the-road/

    • Replies: @istevefan

    IMHO, he is taking advantage of the crisis to permanently park the military on the Southern border to up the ante. Same with declaring his desire to issue an EO to end birthright citizenship.
     
    This really is a great opportunity to take advantage of a situation to park the military down there. I can't recall the specifics, but immediately after 9-11, Bush deployed troops to the border. Because of the intensity following 9-11, there wasn't much of a peep from opponents over this move. Also, it did have the impact of seriously slowing border crossings. But the policy was ended after a couple months.

    This time can be different. More caravans are going to be on the horizon and Venezuela is pretty close to a collapse. As Rahm once said, "don't let a good crisis go to waste."
  84. funny though, if it’s russian troops or assets getting near US borders, suddenly they’re interested in the US military being in the area and the government has no function more basic that intercepting them.

    what i’d recommend to putin is to remove the uniforms from all troops and flags from all assets and just have 3 million men walk across the border and straight to washington DC and surround the pentagon and request amnesty in their offices. literally in their offices. those submarine shipyards and missile silos look exactly like the kind of place refugees need to stay while awaiting their years long asylum court cases.

  85. some guy at the pentagon flat out refused obama’s direct order to begin the attack on syria. in 2012 or so i believe. so, it did happen once before.

    of course, in this case, trump should just start firing generals until one says “Yes sir.” keep firing until you find somebody who will deploy. if necessary, fire until there’s no generals left, then start with the colonels. course, you won’t get that far. but i think we’ll find out it’s rather disturbing how many you would have to fire. if there’s one thing we should have learned during the trump administration, it’s how EXTREMELY unimpressive the generals are. kelly and mattis are pure garbage. mcmaster was a total moron, who was better suited to stand in the back row at a metallica concert, drunk and cheering. his correct position in life is being the laundry manager for a major league football team or something like that. idiot.

    democrats never had the slightest problem ever firing generals one after another until they found one they liked. the difference here is that there is no more basic function of the federal government than defending the border, so the pentagon doesn’t get to refuse.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Say that to their faces.
  86. @JLK
    Most of them are probably from Appalachia or the barrio and signed up for a steady job and education benefits.

    Most of them are probably from Appalachia or the barrio and signed up for a steady job and education benefits.

    Didn’t John Kerry make a similar comment back in 2004? You take after him?

  87. @Pat Murphy
    My nephew was an Officer in Viet Nam during 1996-1997 period and he said he never encountered a jewish Marine. Make what you will about this significant piece of information. I have heard similar stories about the Army infantry.

    Daniel Ellsberg was a Marine (although he was raised as a Christian Scientist).

    And of course, there is Richard Blumenthal – hero of Khe Sanh – who served with Colonel Mike Kirby in Vietnam.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    You’re mistaken about Blumenthal—I believe he served under Colonel Sam Trautman and saw action in Sang Bang and Dang Gong.
  88. Apparently, the original caption read “I enrolled to fight in the Middle East.”

    Enrolled. Liberals think the military is like Obama-care. At least the cartoonist correctly drew “The Troops” as carrying the regulation military-style automatic machine-assault-death-blasters.

  89. I enlisted to defend the geo-strategic interests of a dying Empire, and its venal, corrupt ruling class.

    Not actually defend my own country.

  90. @Jim Given
    So the cartoonist believes that the caravans are a ploy in the midterm elections and not as advertised a desperate striving to achieve sanctuary. Otherwise, how is stopping the caravans, which publicly threaten America's southern border, a part of the midterm elections. Such rank cynicism!

    Speaking of ploys in the midterm elections, there’s still time for the Democrats to pull off another Hate Hoax before Tuesday to distract Americans from the colorful invaders. Will we see black churches burning this Sunday?

  91. @Mike Krauthammer
    Let's see if Trump can do something because fact of the matter is that the Rising Tide of Color shall not be stopped.

    Republicans will lose House Majority and might lose Senate as well.

    Once POC Representatives and Senators start controlling the country(By late 2030s) ICE, border patrol, Immigration Enforcement will be all gone.

    I THINK By the End of this Century Whites will be less than 10 percent of the population of U.S.
    I don't think it is anything to cheer about.

    How are things in Colorado, Mike? The wife got any new black sons?

  92. @Lugash
    And they're not being held in any of the normal military rifle rest positions. Or how any normal person would hold a gun for that matter.

    Perhaps they are about to attempt an assault course.

  93. @RudyM
    I enlisted to fight wars for Israel. . .

    Those soldiers aren’t wearing their regulation red high heels.

  94. @istevefan
    The Chicago Tribune is joining the NY Times in its criticism of the border deployment. According to the Tribune Trump is putting the lives of our servicemen in jeopardy.

    Do they say this crap about all the guys deployed overseas?

    https://twitter.com/chicagotribune/status/1058373667099426821

    If deploying troops to the US-Mexico border puts them at risk then they most certainly should be deployed to the US-Mexico border.

    Who else is going to tackle that risk? I hope they get some sweet operational pay from this and it counts towards their days out of bed.

    Do they say this crap about all the guys deployed overseas?

    Yeah, they don’t. Amazing…

  95. @Pat Murphy
    My nephew was an Officer in Viet Nam during 1996-1997 period and he said he never encountered a jewish Marine. Make what you will about this significant piece of information. I have heard similar stories about the Army infantry.

    There are plenty of Jews in the British forces, but there’s not really an obvious opportunity to tell people. It goes against the “everyone is a soldier first” mentality.

    Ron would call it “crypsis”…I’d call it “ethos”.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    There are plenty of Jews in the British forces
     
    Not according to the UK Ministry of Defence.
    I count, in the latest year listed, 10 Jews in the navy, 10 in the air force, and 50 in the army, out of about 180,000 total service personnel.
    Jews are about half a percent of the UK population but served in its armed forces at less than 10 percent of that.
    , @Svigor
    Citation needed. Jews' participation rate on this side of pond is less than 1/10th their share of the population.
  96. @Nathan
    Unpopular opinion: the active duty Army is not the Border Patrol. The military has no real law enforcement function due to posse comitatus, and most right wing/libertarian types would bristle at being ordered around by the military, except when it comes to "brining them home and putting them on the border." Does anyone realize that this will mean active duty troops doing things like stopping US citizens and asking if they're citizens? No.

    There's a very good reason that the border patrol exists as a seperate entity under DHS. I want a better border patrol. And the wall.

    Such high-minded legalistic reasoning seems rather moot after Eisenhower sent in the 101st to beat down actual American citizens.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    That was against southerners, not people.;)
    , @Fred Boynton
    Speaking of that, Trump should send troops to NYC, particularly the Upper West Side, to finally integrate the public schools there. I'm sure people like De Blasio, Cuomo and Krugman would welcome it. Can you imagine the "Oy Vey"-ing and kvetching over that. Having little Shlomo and Rebekah go to school with black and brown children would be "annuda Shoah".
    , @Nathan
    Well, then let's drop JDAMs on Antifa. It's what Abe Lincoln would have done.

    https://i.stack.imgur.com/gisDo.jpg
  97. @MEH 0910
    Nicholas Kristof writing in the New York Times:

    Voters, You’re Being Manipulated
    ......

    Trump is deploying 5,200 United States troops to the southern border and said he may deploy 5,000 or 10,000 more. Even the smaller number is twice as many as are in Syria fighting the Islamic State, and they don’t have anything to do at the border, plus the 45-day deployment may end before the migrants actually arrive.
     

    Voters, You’re Being Manipulated

    But Not By Us, Oh-Ho-Ho-Ho-Ho, Never By Us

  98. Anonymous[399] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2
    There are plenty of Jews in the British forces, but there's not really an obvious opportunity to tell people. It goes against the "everyone is a soldier first" mentality.

    Ron would call it "crypsis"...I'd call it "ethos".

    There are plenty of Jews in the British forces

    Not according to the UK Ministry of Defence.
    I count, in the latest year listed, 10 Jews in the navy, 10 in the air force, and 50 in the army, out of about 180,000 total service personnel.
    Jews are about half a percent of the UK population but served in its armed forces at less than 10 percent of that.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    The only way the MoD could possibly know is by the dumb equality and diversity electronic form each individual has to fill out on the Joint Personnel Administration System. It was introduced circa 2014.

    I imagine more Jews wrote "atheist", "agnostic" or "I prefer not to say" than any other religious group.

    "Jewish" is also not an option under ethnicity. The most likely picked would be "White British" or maybe "White Other".

    My default, were I ever to have been in that position, would have been "prefer not to say" and to complain vociferously to my friendly CO that collecting these types of statistics is the prelude to oppression. In this case, so-called "affirmative action" or rather discrimination against white people.

    Oh, and I was right.
    , @Svigor
    A rate entirely consistent with the American numbers.
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Well, 'British' Muslims send more men to fight for ISIS than the British armed forces:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hundreds-more-uk-muslims-choose-jihad-than-army-l38256qqxx3
  99. @Harry Baldwin
    As Obama would explain, corpse-men "enroll" in the military.

    “This is not Huey are.”

  100. @Nathan
    Unpopular opinion: the active duty Army is not the Border Patrol. The military has no real law enforcement function due to posse comitatus, and most right wing/libertarian types would bristle at being ordered around by the military, except when it comes to "brining them home and putting them on the border." Does anyone realize that this will mean active duty troops doing things like stopping US citizens and asking if they're citizens? No.

    There's a very good reason that the border patrol exists as a seperate entity under DHS. I want a better border patrol. And the wall.

    Hell yes. Send a few special forces. Or contractors. A platoon could operate 1000 miles into Mexico.

    Legal? As legal as Syria or a dozen other interventions.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    Rather more legal, I would argue.
    , @Nathan
    "Hell yes. Send a few special forces. Or contractors. A platoon could operate 1000 miles into Mexico."

    Well, you might get your way, but el ejército Mexicano is no joke, and Mexico has much, much more terrain to cover.
    , @anon
    I would settle for the TSA. There are a lot of them and they seem to keep illegals out of airports. Mostly.
  101. @Mr. Anon
    Daniel Ellsberg was a Marine (although he was raised as a Christian Scientist).

    And of course, there is Richard Blumenthal - hero of Khe Sanh - who served with Colonel Mike Kirby in Vietnam.

    You’re mistaken about Blumenthal—I believe he served under Colonel Sam Trautman and saw action in Sang Bang and Dang Gong.

    • Replies: @It's All Ball Bearings
    Didn't he serve with Billy Ray Valentine, special forces, aka Agent Orange? https://goo.gl/images/nyMVib
    , @Tom-in-VA
    He was Special Agent Orange!
    , @Anonymous
    I think it was Bang Gong under Col. Chuck Barris.
    , @Mr. Anon

    You’re mistaken about Blumenthal—I believe he served under Colonel Sam Trautman and saw action in Sang Bang and Dang Gong.
     
    Another great Democratic Party hero is New Jersey Senator Bob Menendez who saw action in Gang Bang.
  102. @Nathan
    Unpopular opinion: the active duty Army is not the Border Patrol. The military has no real law enforcement function due to posse comitatus, and most right wing/libertarian types would bristle at being ordered around by the military, except when it comes to "brining them home and putting them on the border." Does anyone realize that this will mean active duty troops doing things like stopping US citizens and asking if they're citizens? No.

    There's a very good reason that the border patrol exists as a seperate entity under DHS. I want a better border patrol. And the wall.

    “Unpopular opinion: the active duty Army is not the Border Patrol. The military has no real law enforcement function due to posse comitatus ….”

    The Posse Comitatus Act was enacted to protect US citizens from use of military force; regardless of whether the invading force is a well-equippped organized military force or a rag-tag gang or band of. civilians, use of military force to prevent their crossing of the border. If they use force to attempt to cross the border, as they did in Mexico, appropriate force, up to deadly force is appropriate. While Orange Man was a bit foolish to refer to rocks as “firearms,” his sentiment to have troops reply with deadly force was not misplaced. I’m sure the Israelis would approve while the rest of the world condemns us.

    • Replies: @Nathan
    "If they use force to attempt to cross the border, as they did in Mexico, appropriate force, up to deadly force is appropriate."

    I agree. It's still a law enforcement function.
  103. @Anonymous

    There are plenty of Jews in the British forces
     
    Not according to the UK Ministry of Defence.
    I count, in the latest year listed, 10 Jews in the navy, 10 in the air force, and 50 in the army, out of about 180,000 total service personnel.
    Jews are about half a percent of the UK population but served in its armed forces at less than 10 percent of that.

    The only way the MoD could possibly know is by the dumb equality and diversity electronic form each individual has to fill out on the Joint Personnel Administration System. It was introduced circa 2014.

    I imagine more Jews wrote “atheist”, “agnostic” or “I prefer not to say” than any other religious group.

    “Jewish” is also not an option under ethnicity. The most likely picked would be “White British” or maybe “White Other”.

    My default, were I ever to have been in that position, would have been “prefer not to say” and to complain vociferously to my friendly CO that collecting these types of statistics is the prelude to oppression. In this case, so-called “affirmative action” or rather discrimination against white people.

    Oh, and I was right.

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
    "I enrolled because I thought it was the roadshow company scheduled to do 'Hello, Dolly' for six months in Tel Aviv."
    , @Svigor

    My default, were I ever to have been in that position, would have been “prefer not to say” and to complain vociferously to my friendly CO that collecting these types of statistics is the prelude to oppression. In this case, so-called “affirmative action” or rather discrimination against white people.
     
    Oppression = hatefacts = low Jewish participation rates.
  104. @Nathan
    Unpopular opinion: the active duty Army is not the Border Patrol. The military has no real law enforcement function due to posse comitatus, and most right wing/libertarian types would bristle at being ordered around by the military, except when it comes to "brining them home and putting them on the border." Does anyone realize that this will mean active duty troops doing things like stopping US citizens and asking if they're citizens? No.

    There's a very good reason that the border patrol exists as a seperate entity under DHS. I want a better border patrol. And the wall.

    Does anyone realize that this will mean active duty troops doing things like stopping US citizens and asking if they’re citizens?

    Oh the horror. The sheer horror.

  105. @istevefan
    I pointed this out on a prior post. I found it odd they used the term "enrolled" in the military. But on this picture Steve links, it has been corrected to "enlisted". As I wrote, you enroll in school and enlist in the military. Clearly the NY Times guys have experience with the former, not the latter.

    Check out the twitter picture that is still online advertising this article. It still has the old dialogue of "enrolled" versus the one on the actual NY Times website which has been changed to "enlisted".

    https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1058146136807096320

    As various people pointed out on Twitter, journalism students enroll, military men enlist.

  106. @Tyrion 2
    The only way the MoD could possibly know is by the dumb equality and diversity electronic form each individual has to fill out on the Joint Personnel Administration System. It was introduced circa 2014.

    I imagine more Jews wrote "atheist", "agnostic" or "I prefer not to say" than any other religious group.

    "Jewish" is also not an option under ethnicity. The most likely picked would be "White British" or maybe "White Other".

    My default, were I ever to have been in that position, would have been "prefer not to say" and to complain vociferously to my friendly CO that collecting these types of statistics is the prelude to oppression. In this case, so-called "affirmative action" or rather discrimination against white people.

    Oh, and I was right.

    “I enrolled because I thought it was the roadshow company scheduled to do ‘Hello, Dolly’ for six months in Tel Aviv.”

  107. @Lugash
    And they're not being held in any of the normal military rifle rest positions. Or how any normal person would hold a gun for that matter.

    That’s the new way of holding a rifle, if you have a single-point sling on it.

    • Replies: @Esso
    It's the latest style. In summer two years ago, pretty much all of the white men on the streets of Paris were carrying rifles that way.
  108. @Pat Murphy
    My nephew was an Officer in Viet Nam during 1996-1997 period and he said he never encountered a jewish Marine. Make what you will about this significant piece of information. I have heard similar stories about the Army infantry.

    I did see plenty of stars of david amongst the crosses at the military cemetery in the south of France (along the second invasion route that followed not long after D-Day)

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Lots of Jewish novelists served in WWII. E.g., J.D. Salinger "was present at Utah Beach on D-Day, in the Battle of the Bulge, and the Battle of Hürtgen Forest." People would ask me for my opinion on Salinger's reclusiveness. I'd say, I think he got a permanent case of PTSD in the service of his country, so I'm fine with how he chooses to lead the rest of his life.
    , @Svigor
    WWII was their high water mark.

    There was a draft.

  109. @Pat Murphy
    My nephew was an Officer in Viet Nam during 1996-1997 period and he said he never encountered a jewish Marine. Make what you will about this significant piece of information. I have heard similar stories about the Army infantry.

    Ohio’s state treasurer, Josh Mandel, was in the Marine Reserves.

  110. @Pericles
    Such high-minded legalistic reasoning seems rather moot after Eisenhower sent in the 101st to beat down actual American citizens.

    That was against southerners, not people.;)

  111. @StAugustine
    I did see plenty of stars of david amongst the crosses at the military cemetery in the south of France (along the second invasion route that followed not long after D-Day)

    Lots of Jewish novelists served in WWII. E.g., J.D. Salinger “was present at Utah Beach on D-Day, in the Battle of the Bulge, and the Battle of Hürtgen Forest.” People would ask me for my opinion on Salinger’s reclusiveness. I’d say, I think he got a permanent case of PTSD in the service of his country, so I’m fine with how he chooses to lead the rest of his life.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    Sam Fuller was primarily a film maker but also wrote pulp novels, and directed the great "The Big Red One."
    , @Jonathan Mason
    Never knew Salinger was Jewish. But if I had written a best-selling novel that made me rich and became a standard text in schools, I would damn well become a recluse too instead of appearing on tabloid TV, signing autographs like OJ Simpson, and doing personal appearance and graduation speeches at Middle Schools.
    , @Jonathan Mason

    Lots of Jewish novelists served in WWII.
     
    And lived to tell the tale.

    Karl Marx was excused military service due to a "weak chest". Had he gone to boot camp, the course of history might have changed and he would have become George Orwell. As it was he tried his hand at being a novelist, then got into left wing journalism, moved to England, to join his pal Manchester industrialist Friedrich Engels and spent the rest of his life in a brewery fermenting revolution.
    , @Pericles
    Salinger died in 2010 and appears to have been of the Jewish-Lithuanian form (but converted).
    , @Art Deco
    He seems to have been an abnormally self-centered man in domestic circumstances, something for which his daughter got her revenge. He also had a nymphet issue. He walked right up to the line of having an affair with an adolescent in 1949 and had an affair with a barely legal young woman in 1972. One of his wives was 14 years his junior and the other 40 years his junior. I don't think I'd attribute that to shell-shock.
    , @istevefan
    Rod Serling, the creator of the Twilight Zone, had a rough go in the Pacific.

    Serling's time in Leyte shaped his writing and political views for the rest of his life. He saw death every day while in the Philippines, at the hands of his enemies and his allies, and through freak accidents such as that which killed another Jewish private, Melvin Levy. Levy was delivering a comic monologue for the platoon as it rested under a palm tree when a food crate was dropped from a plane above, decapitating him. Serling led the funeral services for Levy and placed a Star of David over his grave. Serling later set several of his scripts in the Philippines and used the unpredictability of death as a theme in much of his writing.
     
    , @gabriel alberton

    People would ask me for my opinion on Salinger’s reclusiveness. I’d say, I think he got a permanent case of PTSD in the service of his country, so I’m fine with how he chooses to lead the rest of his life.
     
    You think that might be cause and effect? Pynchon is as reclusive, if not more, than Salinger was, and he fought in no war, correct? Nothing about him (Pynchon) going to Vietnam.

    Those traits seem to be idiosyncratic. Cochran even wrote about how PTSD shouldn't even exist.
  112. Rare moment of lucidity from National Review:

    Trump Has the Right and Obligation to Defend the Border with Deadly Force [nationalreview.com]

    By David French

    Would you let people who want to kill you into your home?

    One of the enduring mysteries of modern political discourse is the way in which smart people … impose curious, unworkable double standards on America. Let’s take, for example, the response of many on the left to the so-called Caravan, an effort by thousands of Guatamalans to storm the US border.

    After all, the international legal standards are clear. A nation has the right to protect the integrity of its border, and that right is supplemented by an inherent right of self-defense in the face of a hostile foreign power. … Any reasonable person contemplating the consequences of a border-wall breach knows that chaos and bloodshed may result.

    Yet still yesterday we saw tweets and articles not just from the single-minded anti-American Left but also from far more thoughtful observers:

    Chris Hayes

    @chrislhayes

    Is it the official position of the US government that lethal force is justified for unarmed protesters who approach a border fence with intent to climb it?

    Let’s answer these tweets with a question. What would you have America do when thousands of people march on the border, some armed, some not? What would you have America do when you know that terrorists are certainly mixed in that crowd, people who’d gladly shoot or stab American citizens if they were ever to gain access to American towns?

    … You can’t let thousands (or perhaps tens of thousands) of people flood into American communities.

    Oh, and you’re not allowed to presume that the American military has superhuman ability to do what no military force has ever been able to do: effectively and reliably control hostile armed mobs with exclusively nonlethal means. In other words, tear gas won’t get the job done.

    • Replies: @notanon
    he wrote an article saying Israel has the right to do it. and people have been trolling him over it - bullycided into consistency.
    , @Tex
    Where's the pod with the real David French?
  113. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    You’re mistaken about Blumenthal—I believe he served under Colonel Sam Trautman and saw action in Sang Bang and Dang Gong.

    Didn’t he serve with Billy Ray Valentine, special forces, aka Agent Orange? https://goo.gl/images/nyMVib

  114. @Clifford Brown
    Munk Debate: The Rise of Populism

    Steve Bannon vs David Frum

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=poq5ZrAc7pk

    Last year, this debate gave us Jordan Peterson vs. Michael Eric Dyson and the brilliant Michelle Goldberg.

    I don't expect much, but it will likely push a little bit against the status quo. Can you imagine what they would be debating if Hillary Clinton had won in 2016?

    Watched first half. Very poor debate. Frum nearly brings himself to tears again and again. Mentions kristallnacht at 24:00. Bannon makes a few points about financial bailouts and the stagnating middle class, but comes off as a sleepy debater, saying at least twice, “We’re not talking about not having elections.” Talk about seizing the field!

    It would have been nice if Bannon had asked Frum, are democracies allowed to vote on limiting immigration? Or something to bring out the extremism of the anti-populists.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    They’re fearful they cant walk any more within the crutch of Holocaustianity.

    They’re going to have to learn.
  115. Interesting facts about Wilford Brimley:

    * He is still alive at 84
    * He is still alive, period.
    * He was only 49 when The Natural came out. Brimley played the manager in the movie.

  116. I like how the poor bastard who enlisted to fight in The Forever War in the Middle East is an elderly white-mustached Wilford Brimley-lookalike who must have enlisted on 9/12/2001.

    Or John Bolton who “re-enlisted” in April 2018.

  117. @istevefan
    The Chicago Tribune is joining the NY Times in its criticism of the border deployment. According to the Tribune Trump is putting the lives of our servicemen in jeopardy.

    Do they say this crap about all the guys deployed overseas?

    https://twitter.com/chicagotribune/status/1058373667099426821

    Huppke is one of the reasons I canceled my Tribune subscription. Col. McCormick would not approve.

  118. @Nathan
    Unpopular opinion: the active duty Army is not the Border Patrol. The military has no real law enforcement function due to posse comitatus, and most right wing/libertarian types would bristle at being ordered around by the military, except when it comes to "brining them home and putting them on the border." Does anyone realize that this will mean active duty troops doing things like stopping US citizens and asking if they're citizens? No.

    There's a very good reason that the border patrol exists as a seperate entity under DHS. I want a better border patrol. And the wall.

    The forces being deployed are mostly logistic and engineer units. They are quite explicit that they are going to support the Border Patrol, not act as law enforcement.

    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/11/03/look-troops-being-sent-us-mexico-border.html

    “The Pentagon is adamant that active duty troops will not do law enforcement, which they are forbidden from doing under the Posse Comitatus Act in the Constitution. Troops can’t arrest people at the border. Their main job will be to support the Border Patrol.

    This means the military will transport border patrol agents to and along the border, help them erect additional vehicle barriers and fencing along the border, assist them with communications and provide some security for border agent camps. The military also will provide the border patrol agents with medical care, pre-packaged meals, and temporary housing.”

  119. @Steve Sailer
    Lots of Jewish novelists served in WWII. E.g., J.D. Salinger "was present at Utah Beach on D-Day, in the Battle of the Bulge, and the Battle of Hürtgen Forest." People would ask me for my opinion on Salinger's reclusiveness. I'd say, I think he got a permanent case of PTSD in the service of his country, so I'm fine with how he chooses to lead the rest of his life.

    Sam Fuller was primarily a film maker but also wrote pulp novels, and directed the great “The Big Red One.”

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Fuller spoke with contempt of captured enemy soldiers who surrendered when they ran out of ammunition. He implied that these surrenders were not, er, accepted.

    "Don't shoot, I'm out of amm-un-ition" should be a Sailer-ism, that's for sure.

    “The Geneva Convention is bullshit. Completely. A piece of paper is nothing. What’s in your hand is a gun, and what’s in there is a 5-cent bullet. That’s your treaty, or no treaty. And when you see a man and he gives up, you either shoot him or you don’t. You do it, you’re God! There’s no president, no general, it’s the GI, it’s the Tommy Atkins, it’s how he feels, right there. And if you’re on the wrong end of the gun and he looks you in the eye, you know you’re gonna get it, and you get it. One thing is” – sarcastic look – “you’re not supposed to shoot a prisoner-of-war. I don’t believe in that! When a man came to us as a prisoner-of-war, and he throws down his gun, his Mauser, and puts his hands in the air, my sergeant would pick that Mauser up and he’d rack it back and if there’s a round in there, just one bullet, that guy lives. But if he ran out of bullets, ohhhh” – look of caustic and cosmic judgment – “we blow his head off. ‘Cos, isn’t that cute?? He shoots your friend here. He wounds this guy. He wounds you. Kills that guy. And then he says to another guy, ‘Don’t shoot!’ Why? Because he ran out of amm-un-ition….!” He draws the phrase out like a death-rattle, at once summation and damnation.
     
  120. @anon
    Hell yes. Send a few special forces. Or contractors. A platoon could operate 1000 miles into Mexico.

    Legal? As legal as Syria or a dozen other interventions.

    Rather more legal, I would argue.

  121. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    You’re mistaken about Blumenthal—I believe he served under Colonel Sam Trautman and saw action in Sang Bang and Dang Gong.

    He was Special Agent Orange!

  122. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    You’re mistaken about Blumenthal—I believe he served under Colonel Sam Trautman and saw action in Sang Bang and Dang Gong.

    I think it was Bang Gong under Col. Chuck Barris.

    • Replies: @Tex

    I think it was Bang Gong under Col. Chuck Barris.
     
    That's where Marc Bolan won the Medal of Honor.
  123. @Pat Murphy
    My nephew was an Officer in Viet Nam during 1996-1997 period and he said he never encountered a jewish Marine. Make what you will about this significant piece of information. I have heard similar stories about the Army infantry.

    The coward that Patton slapped, Pvt Charles Kuhl, was a Jew (which is why Patton got in so much trouble for slapping a soldier; he could have executed a goyim on the spot without trouble).

    • Replies: @David In TN
    I looked Charles Kuhl up and Find-a-Grave shows him buried under the Christian cross. There were TWO soldiers slapped by Patton. The other happened a week later and was was named Bennett.
    , @Jack D
    There's an imaginary Joo hiding under every rock. Kuhl is a German surname.
  124. The troops going to the border are protecting something every nation values—territorial integrity. We just lost another US military service member to an insider attack in Afghanistan for no discernible gain for the United States.

  125. @Tyrion 2
    There are plenty of Jews in the British forces, but there's not really an obvious opportunity to tell people. It goes against the "everyone is a soldier first" mentality.

    Ron would call it "crypsis"...I'd call it "ethos".

    Citation needed. Jews’ participation rate on this side of pond is less than 1/10th their share of the population.

  126. @Anonymous

    There are plenty of Jews in the British forces
     
    Not according to the UK Ministry of Defence.
    I count, in the latest year listed, 10 Jews in the navy, 10 in the air force, and 50 in the army, out of about 180,000 total service personnel.
    Jews are about half a percent of the UK population but served in its armed forces at less than 10 percent of that.

    A rate entirely consistent with the American numbers.

  127. @Pericles
    Such high-minded legalistic reasoning seems rather moot after Eisenhower sent in the 101st to beat down actual American citizens.

    Speaking of that, Trump should send troops to NYC, particularly the Upper West Side, to finally integrate the public schools there. I’m sure people like De Blasio, Cuomo and Krugman would welcome it. Can you imagine the “Oy Vey”-ing and kvetching over that. Having little Shlomo and Rebekah go to school with black and brown children would be “annuda Shoah”.

  128. @Tyrion 2
    The only way the MoD could possibly know is by the dumb equality and diversity electronic form each individual has to fill out on the Joint Personnel Administration System. It was introduced circa 2014.

    I imagine more Jews wrote "atheist", "agnostic" or "I prefer not to say" than any other religious group.

    "Jewish" is also not an option under ethnicity. The most likely picked would be "White British" or maybe "White Other".

    My default, were I ever to have been in that position, would have been "prefer not to say" and to complain vociferously to my friendly CO that collecting these types of statistics is the prelude to oppression. In this case, so-called "affirmative action" or rather discrimination against white people.

    Oh, and I was right.

    My default, were I ever to have been in that position, would have been “prefer not to say” and to complain vociferously to my friendly CO that collecting these types of statistics is the prelude to oppression. In this case, so-called “affirmative action” or rather discrimination against white people.

    Oppression = hatefacts = low Jewish participation rates.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    You don't get hints do yoy. Come on, I'm 98% on your side, no need to make me suffer so. Medals are medals after all.
  129. @StAugustine
    I did see plenty of stars of david amongst the crosses at the military cemetery in the south of France (along the second invasion route that followed not long after D-Day)

    WWII was their high water mark.

    There was a draft.

  130. @istevefan
    I pointed this out on a prior post. I found it odd they used the term "enrolled" in the military. But on this picture Steve links, it has been corrected to "enlisted". As I wrote, you enroll in school and enlist in the military. Clearly the NY Times guys have experience with the former, not the latter.

    Check out the twitter picture that is still online advertising this article. It still has the old dialogue of "enrolled" versus the one on the actual NY Times website which has been changed to "enlisted".

    https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1058146136807096320

    NYT getting BTFO’d in the Twit replies. Love it. They really embarrassed and discredited themselves here.

    This comic is the distillation – by accident – of the cluelessness of the liberal elite.

    I “enrolled” to serve and protect my nation, not for some forsaken little country on the far side of the planet.

    Setting troops in a defensive line along the border seems to meet that criteria to a T.

    I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that the people responsible for this cartoon not only never ENLISTED in the military but don’t actually know someone who has.

    Man. Smh. You really that dumb? Yes. Soldiers enlist to protect our country. Not some desert they have never been too. Our way of life here.

    Talk to anyone US servicemen and they’ll tell you they have no fucking clue why we are still in the Middle East.

  131. @istevefan
    I don't bet, but I am wondering about the GOP advantage in early voting. Is it for real, or is this just the vote we would have gotten on election day showing up early?

    I suppose the same could be said about the democrats. Early voters for them are guys who would have voted on election day. But I always thought democrats did well in early voting and the GOP did well on election day.

    So I don't know how to read this. My one concern is that the early vote might give the democrats too much early warning on which races need manufactured votes to help them win.

    I'm in Missouri and we always have to wait until the last minute for the St. Louis area to report its vote. They never give out their numbers first. A lot of use suppose that the St Louis democrat machine is just watching the rest of the state's returns coming in and tries to determine whether they can make up the difference without causing too much suspicion. Trump won in 2016 by half a million votes, so they did not make a fuss. But if Claire and Hawley come down to the wire, bet on St. Louis to hold back.

    Another thing they almost always do is complain that blacks are being turned away from the polls, or that there weren't enough ballots at black precincts. So around 8 pm you might hear a federal judge announce that he is ordering the St Louis area polls to remain open for an extra hour to accomodate those voters.

    I don’t bet, but I am wondering about the GOP advantage in early voting. Is it for real, or is this just the vote we would have gotten on election day showing up early?

    Quite a lot of the GOP early vote is married Nice White Ladies that supported Romney showing up to vote against anyone that might cooperate with Trump. In other words, the GOP early vote includes a lot of Dem votes.

    Most early voters are just people that would otherwise have voted on election day. But some are extra, so you’d much rather have a lead with them than not. And it’s historically Dems that have worked harder to turn out the early vote, so this GOP lead is novel, especially in a midterm.

    • Replies: @gregor
    Empirically, I don’t know, but I would think that because the Dems are so dependent on “low agency” voters that having as wide a window as possible would help them gain votes over Election Day only. The larger window gives them more time to run their get-out-the-vote operations. Logistically they are limited in the amount of institutional support and assistance they can give their voters (support their low agency voters require) in a single day versus a longer window.
  132. @prime noticer
    some guy at the pentagon flat out refused obama's direct order to begin the attack on syria. in 2012 or so i believe. so, it did happen once before.

    of course, in this case, trump should just start firing generals until one says "Yes sir." keep firing until you find somebody who will deploy. if necessary, fire until there's no generals left, then start with the colonels. course, you won't get that far. but i think we'll find out it's rather disturbing how many you would have to fire. if there's one thing we should have learned during the trump administration, it's how EXTREMELY unimpressive the generals are. kelly and mattis are pure garbage. mcmaster was a total moron, who was better suited to stand in the back row at a metallica concert, drunk and cheering. his correct position in life is being the laundry manager for a major league football team or something like that. idiot.

    democrats never had the slightest problem ever firing generals one after another until they found one they liked. the difference here is that there is no more basic function of the federal government than defending the border, so the pentagon doesn't get to refuse.

    Say that to their faces.

    • Replies: @prime noticer
    i would love to.
  133. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/NickKristof/status/1057685841517178880

    Good article. Interesting that Mr. Trump, even before he was President, was calling for the closure of US borders,. even to US citizens, in response to another invader, the Ebola virus, which was threatening the existence of the US by wreaking havoc in nearby Liberia.

    Trump ought to consider trade sanctions before military action. Perhaps he could close the borders to banana imports from these Central American banana republics until they agree to take back their huddled masses and the wretched refuse of their teeming shores.

    But otherwise would it not be better to use the troops to restore law and order in the Central American countries that are exporting refugees to the US? The vicious gangs like MS-13 that are sending gunmen to overthrow the US government would be forced to use their resources to defend their own turf back home.

    After all US government has considerable expertise in extorting the working class in a cost-efficient manner, and could do the job just as well as MS-13.

  134. @Steve Sailer
    Lots of Jewish novelists served in WWII. E.g., J.D. Salinger "was present at Utah Beach on D-Day, in the Battle of the Bulge, and the Battle of Hürtgen Forest." People would ask me for my opinion on Salinger's reclusiveness. I'd say, I think he got a permanent case of PTSD in the service of his country, so I'm fine with how he chooses to lead the rest of his life.

    Never knew Salinger was Jewish. But if I had written a best-selling novel that made me rich and became a standard text in schools, I would damn well become a recluse too instead of appearing on tabloid TV, signing autographs like OJ Simpson, and doing personal appearance and graduation speeches at Middle Schools.

    • Replies: @Flip
    Half
  135. @(((Owen)))

    I don’t bet, but I am wondering about the GOP advantage in early voting. Is it for real, or is this just the vote we would have gotten on election day showing up early?
     
    Quite a lot of the GOP early vote is married Nice White Ladies that supported Romney showing up to vote against anyone that might cooperate with Trump. In other words, the GOP early vote includes a lot of Dem votes.

    Most early voters are just people that would otherwise have voted on election day. But some are extra, so you'd much rather have a lead with them than not. And it's historically Dems that have worked harder to turn out the early vote, so this GOP lead is novel, especially in a midterm.

    Empirically, I don’t know, but I would think that because the Dems are so dependent on “low agency” voters that having as wide a window as possible would help them gain votes over Election Day only. The larger window gives them more time to run their get-out-the-vote operations. Logistically they are limited in the amount of institutional support and assistance they can give their voters (support their low agency voters require) in a single day versus a longer window.

    • Agree: Dtbb
  136. @The Alarmist

    "Unpopular opinion: the active duty Army is not the Border Patrol. The military has no real law enforcement function due to posse comitatus ...."
     
    The Posse Comitatus Act was enacted to protect US citizens from use of military force; regardless of whether the invading force is a well-equippped organized military force or a rag-tag gang or band of. civilians, use of military force to prevent their crossing of the border. If they use force to attempt to cross the border, as they did in Mexico, appropriate force, up to deadly force is appropriate. While Orange Man was a bit foolish to refer to rocks as "firearms," his sentiment to have troops reply with deadly force was not misplaced. I'm sure the Israelis would approve while the rest of the world condemns us.

    “If they use force to attempt to cross the border, as they did in Mexico, appropriate force, up to deadly force is appropriate.”

    I agree. It’s still a law enforcement function.

  137. @Steve Sailer
    Lots of Jewish novelists served in WWII. E.g., J.D. Salinger "was present at Utah Beach on D-Day, in the Battle of the Bulge, and the Battle of Hürtgen Forest." People would ask me for my opinion on Salinger's reclusiveness. I'd say, I think he got a permanent case of PTSD in the service of his country, so I'm fine with how he chooses to lead the rest of his life.

    Lots of Jewish novelists served in WWII.

    And lived to tell the tale.

    Karl Marx was excused military service due to a “weak chest”. Had he gone to boot camp, the course of history might have changed and he would have become George Orwell. As it was he tried his hand at being a novelist, then got into left wing journalism, moved to England, to join his pal Manchester industrialist Friedrich Engels and spent the rest of his life in a brewery fermenting revolution.

    • Replies: @Miss Turnstiles
    "And lived to tell the tale."

    Nice dog whistle. (They shirked active duty.)

    Correct me if I'm wrong.

    Add to the list Joseph Heller, who was a navigator. Mel Brooks (OK, not a novelist but he was a writer of sorts) was a mine sapper. He said that everything he did afterward was funny.
  138. I like how the poor bastard who enlisted to fight in The Forever War in the Middle East is an elderly white-mustached Wilford Brimley-lookalike who must have enlisted on 9/12/2001.

    Last night on Twitter there were many who thought the “Wilford Brimley-lookalike” was the “Iron Chancellor” Otto von Bismarck. I think that tells you that if you’re under 40 or even 50 and on the right, you’re more familiar with Bismarck than with Wilford Brimley. I think that’s a good thing but others may disagree.

  139. @Jonathan Mason

    Unpopular opinion: the active duty Army is not the Border Patrol.
     
    Quite so, and the "invasion" is not a military action by the troops of a foreign power, but a raggle-taggle " regiment of men, women, and children seeking a better life under Commander Trump.

    However, if the Border Patrol is overwhelmed and cannot cope, I suppose the military can provide some backup functions. The Navy can put boats on the Rio Grande, and the Air Force can send up observation balloons so we can see them coming and put the rice on the stove, the Coast Guard can make sure they don't make an end run along the beaches, and the Army can dig trenches and provide field pediatric clinics and vaccinations.

    After all these are people paid by the taxpayer to do not very much most of the time, and they might as well make themselves useful.

    Anyway camping in the desert can be fun.

    “However, if the Border Patrol is overwhelmed and cannot cope, I suppose the military can provide some backup functions.”

    That’s essentially what’s happening here, and it’s usually a mission more suited to the National Guard. The Guard tends to be made up of a greater proportion of logistics and sustainment elements, while the active components are more combat focused.

    • Replies: @istevefan

    That’s essentially what’s happening here, and it’s usually a mission more suited to the National Guard. The Guard tends to be made up of a greater proportion of logistics and sustainment elements, while the active components are more combat focused.
     
    It is the Army Reserves which comprise a greater proportion of support troops. The Army National Guard, though it does have support formations, also includes 1/3 of the Army's combat capability. That's' why so many Guardsmen had to do combat tours during Afghanistan and Iraq. Most people erroneously believed that being in the Guard was safe because of the Vietnam War. But during the 70's and 80s's the Guard was changed into being a round-out component for the active duty combat formations.

    That said, I am not expecting National Guard infantry or armor to deploy to the border. It would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath.
  140. @Pericles
    Such high-minded legalistic reasoning seems rather moot after Eisenhower sent in the 101st to beat down actual American citizens.

    Well, then let’s drop JDAMs on Antifa. It’s what Abe Lincoln would have done.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    ...are you expecting disagreement?
    , @Anonymous
    The leftists shrieking that Trump=Hitler are confused. It's Trump=Lincoln they really should fear.
  141. @istevefan
    I don't bet, but I am wondering about the GOP advantage in early voting. Is it for real, or is this just the vote we would have gotten on election day showing up early?

    I suppose the same could be said about the democrats. Early voters for them are guys who would have voted on election day. But I always thought democrats did well in early voting and the GOP did well on election day.

    So I don't know how to read this. My one concern is that the early vote might give the democrats too much early warning on which races need manufactured votes to help them win.

    I'm in Missouri and we always have to wait until the last minute for the St. Louis area to report its vote. They never give out their numbers first. A lot of use suppose that the St Louis democrat machine is just watching the rest of the state's returns coming in and tries to determine whether they can make up the difference without causing too much suspicion. Trump won in 2016 by half a million votes, so they did not make a fuss. But if Claire and Hawley come down to the wire, bet on St. Louis to hold back.

    Another thing they almost always do is complain that blacks are being turned away from the polls, or that there weren't enough ballots at black precincts. So around 8 pm you might hear a federal judge announce that he is ordering the St Louis area polls to remain open for an extra hour to accomodate those voters.

    All the talk about this or that bellwether is usually just propaganda. I don’t read much into it.

    I don’t know how much difference early voting makes. But I very much oppose it on principle. A vote should be a snapshot of public sentiment at a point in time. To extend it to a period of weeks, which may in turn may affect strategy and deployment of resources is a contamination of the process, imo. Much more opportunity for shenanigans.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @AnonAnon

    I don’t know how much difference early voting makes. But I very much oppose it on principle. A vote should be a snapshot of public sentiment at a point in time. To extend it to a period of weeks, which may in turn may affect strategy and deployment of resources is a contamination of the process, imo. Much more opportunity for shenanigans.
     
    From what I have read it’s blunting the impact of “October Surprises” so a significant number of people had already voted when the hoax mail bombs and synagogue shooting happened. Perhaps we’ll start seeing September surprises now. Or the “surprises” will stop altogether.
  142. @anon
    Hell yes. Send a few special forces. Or contractors. A platoon could operate 1000 miles into Mexico.

    Legal? As legal as Syria or a dozen other interventions.

    “Hell yes. Send a few special forces. Or contractors. A platoon could operate 1000 miles into Mexico.”

    Well, you might get your way, but el ejército Mexicano is no joke, and Mexico has much, much more terrain to cover.

  143. @Whiskey
    Yes but border enforcement cuts both ways. The NY Post has an article, link on Drudge, where White College Educated Professional women who went for Romney over Obama by 7 points and Hillary over Trump by 22 points or something like it are A. Both highly Pussy-hatted motivated to turn to vote, and B. solidly against border enforcement against the little ninos and their future Uber Drivers, gardeners, nannies, and cooks.

    There is nothing Nice White Ladies like more than a Third World Eat-Pray-Love sh!thole coming to them. So they don't even have to travel. Nice White ladies never go to Switzerland or the functional places in New Zealand. Too boring. Not vibrant enough.

    Trump threatening to cut off the endless supply of subservient gig-servants to Nice White ladies is a gut punch to them. Expect them to turn out ever single one of them to vote Dem. I expect Dems to get something like 85% of White College Educated women. I hope to God that's enough to give them the House and Senate, Florida and Georgia are already lost causes. Georgia is going to elect the less talented Oprah clone (Oprah did show up to campaign for her) with bad fanfic level romance novels -- and a plan to send the police house to house to seize all (White only) people's guns and throw the owners in jail.

    Lets face it border enforcement and using the military to secure our borders not fight in the Middle East is a lunatic, fringe position only held by White men, and working class White women. EVERYONE ELSE, particularly those who matter: Nice White Ladies, Gays, Hollywood Actors and Actresses, Media Whores, Hedge Fund bigshots, and non-Whites can't get enough of dirt cheap gig labor and drowning middle class White America in Central Americans so there is no check on their power.

    Look at Italy -- Salvini is powerless against NGOs who are sending boats to pick up "Migrants" from North Africa and dumping them in Italian ports. Again, his courts wont' allow him to do anything about it. Sound familiar?

    Heck a Judge in Hawaii has his injunction all ready to go the minute the first soldier steps up to the border, and another order removing Trump from office. I'm sure Rod Rosenstein and Sessions and Mueller are all drooling over the unforced error of Trump actually trying to do something about the border -- knowing they can remove him with a judge's order in a heartbeat.

    There is nothing Nice White Ladies like more than a Third World Eat-Pray-Love sh!thole coming to them. So they don’t even have to travel. Nice White ladies never go to Switzerland or the functional places in New Zealand. Too boring. Not vibrant enough.

    It may be this, but I tend to think it’s more just a gigantic shit test for white men.

    Let’s face it, Gender Studies Jen with her problem glasses and $100,000 in student loan debt doesn’t want to screw MS-13 dart blowers. But maybe she’d like to see conflict erupt — armed conflict — so that the men she truly wants “prove” themselves to her. Women love drama for the sake of drama. Also, Jen knows she has no real skin in the game — she lives in a SWPL town and works in an office all day. Her odds of ending up like Mollie Tibbetts are slim.

  144. Good time for Trump to finally bring home the 40,000 troops from Germany , the 15,000 troops from Italy, the 45,000 troops from Japan and the 35,000 troops from Korea, etc… we need them to defend our own border.

    • Replies: @Pericles

    the 40,000 troops from Germany , the 15,000 troops from Italy, the 45,000 troops from Japan and the 35,000 troops from Korea, etc

     

    As we all recall, American funding was this year given to build walls in various countries in the Middle East, but not for America. It appears the only wall they can't build is for themselves and the only border they can't defend is their own.
  145. CBS “60 Minutes” right before the election having another anti-gun piece tomorrow:

    “Devastating wounds from weapons originally made for combat now used in mass shootings have first responders, doctors and even civilians learning battlefield first-aid. 60 Minutes reports, Sunday at 7 p.m. ET/PT”

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mass-shootings-forcing-americans-to-train-for-battlefield-life-saving-procedures-60-minutes/

    Funny, wasn’t the 9mm Para round and .45ACP rounds originally developed for combat and also used for mass shootings? Is everyone using a military caliber weapon supposed to feel guilty for using those?

  146. @Bubba
    When did the NYT's get a cartoonist? Jeez, what's next, a "Dear Abby" column?

    Hon – the whole goddamn paper is a liberal “Dear Abby” column. Every person who writes for it, with the exception of a few decent foreign correspondents, is a lefty agony aunt.

    • Replies: @Bubba
    LOL! And thank you for pointing that out. I stopped reading it when they were Borking (now Kavanaughing) another very honorable man, Clarence Thomas. It shouldn't surprise me that it is now "All the Agony Aunt Gossip Fit to Print." Jill Abramson did a wonderful job converting it to an unreadable feminista SJW Twitter rant.
  147. @Jonathan Mason

    Lots of Jewish novelists served in WWII.
     
    And lived to tell the tale.

    Karl Marx was excused military service due to a "weak chest". Had he gone to boot camp, the course of history might have changed and he would have become George Orwell. As it was he tried his hand at being a novelist, then got into left wing journalism, moved to England, to join his pal Manchester industrialist Friedrich Engels and spent the rest of his life in a brewery fermenting revolution.

    “And lived to tell the tale.”

    Nice dog whistle. (They shirked active duty.)

    Correct me if I’m wrong.

    Add to the list Joseph Heller, who was a navigator. Mel Brooks (OK, not a novelist but he was a writer of sorts) was a mine sapper. He said that everything he did afterward was funny.

  148. @David In TN
    If you're talking about Viet Nam, don't you mean 1966-67 rather than 1996-97?

    Dialogue from Always Sunny:

    Frank: I met him when I was in Vietnam.
    Mac: Whoa I didn’t know you were in Vietnam!
    Dennis: Slow down. He went there in 1996 to open a sweat shop.
    Frank: And a lot of good men died in that sweat shop!

  149. @Steve Sailer
    Lots of Jewish novelists served in WWII. E.g., J.D. Salinger "was present at Utah Beach on D-Day, in the Battle of the Bulge, and the Battle of Hürtgen Forest." People would ask me for my opinion on Salinger's reclusiveness. I'd say, I think he got a permanent case of PTSD in the service of his country, so I'm fine with how he chooses to lead the rest of his life.

    Salinger died in 2010 and appears to have been of the Jewish-Lithuanian form (but converted).

  150. @Redneck farmer
    That's the new way of holding a rifle, if you have a single-point sling on it.

    It’s the latest style. In summer two years ago, pretty much all of the white men on the streets of Paris were carrying rifles that way.

  151. @Svigor

    My default, were I ever to have been in that position, would have been “prefer not to say” and to complain vociferously to my friendly CO that collecting these types of statistics is the prelude to oppression. In this case, so-called “affirmative action” or rather discrimination against white people.
     
    Oppression = hatefacts = low Jewish participation rates.

    You don’t get hints do yoy. Come on, I’m 98% on your side, no need to make me suffer so. Medals are medals after all.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    I do enjoy busting your balls.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    no need to make me suffer so
     
    Teary, instead of whining on the internet, are you going to answer my considered rebuttal (#511) to your failures of logic in that recent thread? :) :) :)
  152. @Anon87
    How exactly can "the Pentagon" deny the Commander in Chief's request for troops? I'm baffled how every obscure shithole can have special forces sent to it, but they can just blow this off. I think Trump needs to break out his old caychphrase on a few career generals. Or can he at least threaten to demote and/or remove pensions? Truman fired Mcarthur, right??

    As I read it, the Pentagon is refusing to be Law Enforcement Officers. Considering the military is theoretically focused on killing people and breaking stuff, and also that law enforcement never requires hugely expensive weapons contracts, it’s understandable that the Pentagon isn’t interested.

    If we could tell the Pentagon that they’re going to award $30 billion in contracts for wall construction and the troops are needed for site protection, they might come around.

    • Replies: @Anon87
    So when they swear to defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic, what qualifies as domestic? He isn't asking them to write parking tickets, but to defend the border. How is that not THE fundamental function of our military?
  153. Borders and Middle East and Mass Immigration brings up the Adelson Question.

    The Shelly Adelson Question involves the Middle East and Mass Immigration

    Tweet from 2014:

    • Replies: @istevefan
    Adelson donated $30 million towards the mid terms in May, and another $25 million in August. So if the GOP wins, we will see if your theory holds.
  154. @Nathan
    Unpopular opinion: the active duty Army is not the Border Patrol. The military has no real law enforcement function due to posse comitatus, and most right wing/libertarian types would bristle at being ordered around by the military, except when it comes to "brining them home and putting them on the border." Does anyone realize that this will mean active duty troops doing things like stopping US citizens and asking if they're citizens? No.

    There's a very good reason that the border patrol exists as a seperate entity under DHS. I want a better border patrol. And the wall.

    Wow, you are seriously a big cuck.

    First, it’s that we can’t make legal attacks on affirmative action because that might favor the Chinese. Now we can’t use the military to secure our border, because they might ask some Americans for ID.

    Is there anything we can’t can’t do?

    • Replies: @Nathan
    Ha! That's funny. You want to know why the cuck always wore cuckold's horns in medieval art? Because everyone could see what was going on except the cuck, just like you wouldn't be able to see a set of horns stuck to your head. If you think it's smart to force colleges to admit hoards of Chinese and Indian students because muh fairness, and stop all the discriminatin'. Well, go ahead. Let's see how it works out this time. I'm sure that proving Harvard discriminates against Asians will somehow magically put an end to affirmative action and somehow tangentially benefit whites. Somehow.

    http://vriley.edublogs.org/files/2014/11/cuckold-28fxma0.jpg

    Meanwhile, let's "put the military on the border" and continue to ignore the people who are directing and organizing the caravans. In an illegal criminal conspiracy. Never mind all of those dozens of Federal law enforcement agencies that we pay good money for and actually have the ability to shut the issue down at the source. Nope, what we need is to have the Army camp out on the border like it's 1914 all over again.

    http://exnet.narod.ru/USA/old/Mexican-3.jpg
  155. @Peripatetic commenter
    Another concern troll who makes the mistake of thinking current trends will continue for the rest of the century.

    Come back on Wednesday and tell us how your prediction went.

    When and how will these trends stop much less reverse -when whites become a minority in 15-20 years and blacks and browns and white leftists control everything? Please explain, and be specific. What miracles do you predict and foresee that will stop and reverse the horrors that Mike predicts and foresees?

  156. @Nathan
    Well, then let's drop JDAMs on Antifa. It's what Abe Lincoln would have done.

    https://i.stack.imgur.com/gisDo.jpg

    …are you expecting disagreement?

    • Replies: @Nathan
    Nope, let's swing for the fences! They'll be doing it if they ever get back in power.
  157. @Prof. Woland
    Trump has a problem with the caravans because he / we look / are so ineffective at preventing a camp of the saints bum rush. IMHO, he is taking advantage of the crisis to permanently park the military on the Southern border to up the ante. Same with declaring his desire to issue an EO to end birthright citizenship. He cannot stop most of them from getting in but he can start laying the infrastructure needed for effective border security. Congress has blocked the building of the actual wall but as the Commander in Chief, Trump can start building on Federal land using the Army all the roads, communications, and foundation work for the wall which can be build later but much quicker because the prep work is already done. By countering the caravan invasion with action, it will build momentum for the wall and create the air if inevitability that will make its eventual construction unstoppable.

    https://www.breitbart.com/midterm-election/2018/11/02/exclusive-duncan-hunter-to-build-the-wall-start-with-the-road/

    IMHO, he is taking advantage of the crisis to permanently park the military on the Southern border to up the ante. Same with declaring his desire to issue an EO to end birthright citizenship.

    This really is a great opportunity to take advantage of a situation to park the military down there. I can’t recall the specifics, but immediately after 9-11, Bush deployed troops to the border. Because of the intensity following 9-11, there wasn’t much of a peep from opponents over this move. Also, it did have the impact of seriously slowing border crossings. But the policy was ended after a couple months.

    This time can be different. More caravans are going to be on the horizon and Venezuela is pretty close to a collapse. As Rahm once said, “don’t let a good crisis go to waste.”

    • Replies: @anon
    Had Bush just used 9/11 to end immigration rather then fight a war for Israel by invading Iraq he would have done a huge service to his country and at no cost in American blood.
  158. @Coemgen
    What do the Democrats mean when they say "white?"

    Do they mean "white appearance" (e.g., the Irish), "white acting" (e.g., Ashkenazi Jews), or something else?

    Who do they really hate? The drunken Irishman whose skin does not tan, the well organized Ashkenazi Jew who is financially successful, or is there some category that I have not been able to conceive of?

    Or, do the Democrats hate all facets of "whiteness?"

    For leftists, “white” means “white and right of center.” So when they go on their rants about the evil of whiteness, they are not talking about themselves or other white leftists, be assured. Those rants aren’t self hatred. They are coded attacks on the political enemy.

  159. @Charles Pewitt
    Borders and Middle East and Mass Immigration brings up the Adelson Question.

    The Shelly Adelson Question involves the Middle East and Mass Immigration

    Tweet from 2014:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/451104355966812162

    Adelson donated $30 million towards the mid terms in May, and another $25 million in August. So if the GOP wins, we will see if your theory holds.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    The Sheldon Adelson Globalizer GOP can go straight to Hell.

    The Patriotic GOP that fights for the interests of the European Christian ancestral core of the United States will defeat the Adelson Globalizer GOP.

    Any politician who takes shekels from Shelly Adelson is UNTRUSTWORTHY.

    Immigration Moratorium Now!

    Deport All Illegal Alien Invaders Now!

    No More War For Israel In The Middle East And West Asia!
  160. @Steve Sailer
    Lots of Jewish novelists served in WWII. E.g., J.D. Salinger "was present at Utah Beach on D-Day, in the Battle of the Bulge, and the Battle of Hürtgen Forest." People would ask me for my opinion on Salinger's reclusiveness. I'd say, I think he got a permanent case of PTSD in the service of his country, so I'm fine with how he chooses to lead the rest of his life.

    He seems to have been an abnormally self-centered man in domestic circumstances, something for which his daughter got her revenge. He also had a nymphet issue. He walked right up to the line of having an affair with an adolescent in 1949 and had an affair with a barely legal young woman in 1972. One of his wives was 14 years his junior and the other 40 years his junior. I don’t think I’d attribute that to shell-shock.

  161. @Jonathan Mason
    Never knew Salinger was Jewish. But if I had written a best-selling novel that made me rich and became a standard text in schools, I would damn well become a recluse too instead of appearing on tabloid TV, signing autographs like OJ Simpson, and doing personal appearance and graduation speeches at Middle Schools.

    Half

  162. @Whiskey
    Yes but border enforcement cuts both ways. The NY Post has an article, link on Drudge, where White College Educated Professional women who went for Romney over Obama by 7 points and Hillary over Trump by 22 points or something like it are A. Both highly Pussy-hatted motivated to turn to vote, and B. solidly against border enforcement against the little ninos and their future Uber Drivers, gardeners, nannies, and cooks.

    There is nothing Nice White Ladies like more than a Third World Eat-Pray-Love sh!thole coming to them. So they don't even have to travel. Nice White ladies never go to Switzerland or the functional places in New Zealand. Too boring. Not vibrant enough.

    Trump threatening to cut off the endless supply of subservient gig-servants to Nice White ladies is a gut punch to them. Expect them to turn out ever single one of them to vote Dem. I expect Dems to get something like 85% of White College Educated women. I hope to God that's enough to give them the House and Senate, Florida and Georgia are already lost causes. Georgia is going to elect the less talented Oprah clone (Oprah did show up to campaign for her) with bad fanfic level romance novels -- and a plan to send the police house to house to seize all (White only) people's guns and throw the owners in jail.

    Lets face it border enforcement and using the military to secure our borders not fight in the Middle East is a lunatic, fringe position only held by White men, and working class White women. EVERYONE ELSE, particularly those who matter: Nice White Ladies, Gays, Hollywood Actors and Actresses, Media Whores, Hedge Fund bigshots, and non-Whites can't get enough of dirt cheap gig labor and drowning middle class White America in Central Americans so there is no check on their power.

    Look at Italy -- Salvini is powerless against NGOs who are sending boats to pick up "Migrants" from North Africa and dumping them in Italian ports. Again, his courts wont' allow him to do anything about it. Sound familiar?

    Heck a Judge in Hawaii has his injunction all ready to go the minute the first soldier steps up to the border, and another order removing Trump from office. I'm sure Rod Rosenstein and Sessions and Mueller are all drooling over the unforced error of Trump actually trying to do something about the border -- knowing they can remove him with a judge's order in a heartbeat.

    There is nothing Nice White Ladies like more than a Third World Eat-Pray-Love sh!thole coming to them. So they don’t even have to travel. Nice White ladies never go to Switzerland or the functional places in New Zealand. Too boring. Not vibrant enough.

    Are you sure about that? All the nice white ladies and men, who claimed they were going to leave the USA if Trump were elected, all stated they were going to Canada or New Zealand. A few called them out on why they never seemed to choose Mexico as their lifeboat.

    Just this week, Babs Streisand said she might move to Canada if the GOP kept the House.

  163. @Nathan
    "However, if the Border Patrol is overwhelmed and cannot cope, I suppose the military can provide some backup functions."

    That's essentially what's happening here, and it's usually a mission more suited to the National Guard. The Guard tends to be made up of a greater proportion of logistics and sustainment elements, while the active components are more combat focused.

    That’s essentially what’s happening here, and it’s usually a mission more suited to the National Guard. The Guard tends to be made up of a greater proportion of logistics and sustainment elements, while the active components are more combat focused.

    It is the Army Reserves which comprise a greater proportion of support troops. The Army National Guard, though it does have support formations, also includes 1/3 of the Army’s combat capability. That’s’ why so many Guardsmen had to do combat tours during Afghanistan and Iraq. Most people erroneously believed that being in the Guard was safe because of the Vietnam War. But during the 70′s and 80s’s the Guard was changed into being a round-out component for the active duty combat formations.

    That said, I am not expecting National Guard infantry or armor to deploy to the border. It would be nice, but I’m not holding my breath.

    • Replies: @Nathan
    .....well, ok then. I didn't know the proportion of combat arms to logistics/sustainment was that high in the guard.
  164. @Steve Sailer
    Lots of Jewish novelists served in WWII. E.g., J.D. Salinger "was present at Utah Beach on D-Day, in the Battle of the Bulge, and the Battle of Hürtgen Forest." People would ask me for my opinion on Salinger's reclusiveness. I'd say, I think he got a permanent case of PTSD in the service of his country, so I'm fine with how he chooses to lead the rest of his life.

    Rod Serling, the creator of the Twilight Zone, had a rough go in the Pacific.

    Serling’s time in Leyte shaped his writing and political views for the rest of his life. He saw death every day while in the Philippines, at the hands of his enemies and his allies, and through freak accidents such as that which killed another Jewish private, Melvin Levy. Levy was delivering a comic monologue for the platoon as it rested under a palm tree when a food crate was dropped from a plane above, decapitating him. Serling led the funeral services for Levy and placed a Star of David over his grave. Serling later set several of his scripts in the Philippines and used the unpredictability of death as a theme in much of his writing.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Rod Serling, the creator of the Twilight Zone, had a rough go in the Pacific.
     
    James Michener also served in the South Pacific and I think he wrote a few tales about it. Not sure if he was Jewish, since he did not know who his biological parents were, but he could have been. Like Prince William and Kate Middleton, he studied history at St. Andrews in Scotland.

    In one of his books, The Source (which I have read, having gone through a phase in which I read all Micheners works during the early 80's and gained a bit of knowledge about the history of the US and other places from them) Michener recounts the origins and rise of Judaism starting with early Hebrews and, carrying the reader all the way through to the modern Israeli-Palestinian conflict--so it seems that he had some provisional interest in Judaism since he may have been a Jew for all he knew, like Moses who was also of unknown parentage and abandoned as a baby to be eaten by Nile crocodiles, but later on made good as a legislator and leader of a caravan of refugees determined to settle in aboriginal territory that they believed was land promised to them by Yahweh.

    According to Wikipedia "He traveled throughout the South Pacific Ocean on various assignments which he gained because his base commanders mistakenly thought his father was Admiral Marc Mitscher." (who was obviously well-known to semi-literate tribal base commanders to be a complete bastard himself, and therefore likely to be the father of others).

  165. @Nathan
    Unpopular opinion: the active duty Army is not the Border Patrol. The military has no real law enforcement function due to posse comitatus, and most right wing/libertarian types would bristle at being ordered around by the military, except when it comes to "brining them home and putting them on the border." Does anyone realize that this will mean active duty troops doing things like stopping US citizens and asking if they're citizens? No.

    There's a very good reason that the border patrol exists as a seperate entity under DHS. I want a better border patrol. And the wall.

    The late Colonel David Hackworth wrote that using Army troops to patrol our borders would be very beneficial because it would force them to learn valuable skills. Two skills that he cited were, tracking, and small unit tactics.

  166. @Reg Cæsar

    My nephew was an Officer in Viet Nam during 1996-1997 period and he said he never encountered a jewish Marine.
     
    I met a few Jewish Coast Guardsmen. It's far and away the best service if you want to be stationed in or near NYC.

    The problem with the Marines-- our problem-- is that if they're involved, we shouldn't be.

    Having an expeditionary force just encourages expeditions.

    I met a few Jewish Coast Guardsmen. It’s far and away the best service if you want to be stationed in or near NYC.

    During WW2 the Coast Guard was sometimes referred to as “Abey’s Navy”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    During WW2 the Coast Guard was sometimes referred to as “Abey’s Navy”
     
    My father and his sister's husband both served in the USCG in the war. My dad was in the city much of his tour, but he wasn't the kind to pass that kind of thing on. I don't know where my uncle served, but he was anything but PC, and never told me that, either.
  167. @Mike Krauthammer
    Let's see if Trump can do something because fact of the matter is that the Rising Tide of Color shall not be stopped.

    Republicans will lose House Majority and might lose Senate as well.

    Once POC Representatives and Senators start controlling the country(By late 2030s) ICE, border patrol, Immigration Enforcement will be all gone.

    I THINK By the End of this Century Whites will be less than 10 percent of the population of U.S.
    I don't think it is anything to cheer about.

    I would bet a bitcoin that Mike Krauthammer is Steve Sailer taking a break from his Tiny Duck nom de plume.

  168. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    You’re mistaken about Blumenthal—I believe he served under Colonel Sam Trautman and saw action in Sang Bang and Dang Gong.

    You’re mistaken about Blumenthal—I believe he served under Colonel Sam Trautman and saw action in Sang Bang and Dang Gong.

    Another great Democratic Party hero is New Jersey Senator Bob Menendez who saw action in Gang Bang.

  169. @istevefan
    The Chicago Tribune is joining the NY Times in its criticism of the border deployment. According to the Tribune Trump is putting the lives of our servicemen in jeopardy.

    Do they say this crap about all the guys deployed overseas?

    https://twitter.com/chicagotribune/status/1058373667099426821

    Liberals have always embraced war. It’s remarkable how silent the extreme left, the shock troops of present day liberals, is on the forever wars. Let’s hope they destroy themselves with their identity politics weapon.

  170. @Steve Sailer
    Lots of Jewish novelists served in WWII. E.g., J.D. Salinger "was present at Utah Beach on D-Day, in the Battle of the Bulge, and the Battle of Hürtgen Forest." People would ask me for my opinion on Salinger's reclusiveness. I'd say, I think he got a permanent case of PTSD in the service of his country, so I'm fine with how he chooses to lead the rest of his life.

    People would ask me for my opinion on Salinger’s reclusiveness. I’d say, I think he got a permanent case of PTSD in the service of his country, so I’m fine with how he chooses to lead the rest of his life.

    You think that might be cause and effect? Pynchon is as reclusive, if not more, than Salinger was, and he fought in no war, correct? Nothing about him (Pynchon) going to Vietnam.

    Those traits seem to be idiosyncratic. Cochran even wrote about how PTSD shouldn’t even exist.

  171. @Nathan
    Unpopular opinion: the active duty Army is not the Border Patrol. The military has no real law enforcement function due to posse comitatus, and most right wing/libertarian types would bristle at being ordered around by the military, except when it comes to "brining them home and putting them on the border." Does anyone realize that this will mean active duty troops doing things like stopping US citizens and asking if they're citizens? No.

    There's a very good reason that the border patrol exists as a seperate entity under DHS. I want a better border patrol. And the wall.

    Does anyone realize that this will mean active duty troops doing things like stopping US citizens and asking if they’re citizens?

    Yes. I am subjected to useless and degrading security procedures everytime I go through an airport. I am finger-printed and subjected to background checks for my job. I have no problem with some people, me included, being inconvenienced in the service of actually really securing our border.

  172. Levy was delivering a comic monologue for the platoon as it rested under a palm tree when a food crate was dropped from a plane above, decapitating him.

    That goes beyond anything Andy Kaufman ever did.

    Serling became a Unitarian a few years later in college. But that seems to be more about love than war.

  173. @Lowe
    Wow, you are seriously a big cuck.

    First, it's that we can't make legal attacks on affirmative action because that might favor the Chinese. Now we can't use the military to secure our border, because they might ask some Americans for ID.

    Is there anything we can't can't do?

    Ha! That’s funny. You want to know why the cuck always wore cuckold’s horns in medieval art? Because everyone could see what was going on except the cuck, just like you wouldn’t be able to see a set of horns stuck to your head. If you think it’s smart to force colleges to admit hoards of Chinese and Indian students because muh fairness, and stop all the discriminatin’. Well, go ahead. Let’s see how it works out this time. I’m sure that proving Harvard discriminates against Asians will somehow magically put an end to affirmative action and somehow tangentially benefit whites. Somehow.

    Meanwhile, let’s “put the military on the border” and continue to ignore the people who are directing and organizing the caravans. In an illegal criminal conspiracy. Never mind all of those dozens of Federal law enforcement agencies that we pay good money for and actually have the ability to shut the issue down at the source. Nope, what we need is to have the Army camp out on the border like it’s 1914 all over again.

    • Replies: @Tex

    Meanwhile, let’s “put the military on the border” and continue to ignore the people who are directing and organizing the caravans. In an illegal criminal conspiracy. Never mind all of those dozens of Federal law enforcement agencies that we pay good money for and actually have the ability to shut the issue down at the source. Nope, what we need is to have the Army camp out on the border like it’s 1914 all over again.
     
    What if we did both? They are not mutually exclusive.
  174. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Rare moment of lucidity from National Review:


    Trump Has the Right and Obligation to Defend the Border with Deadly Force [nationalreview.com]

    By David French

    Would you let people who want to kill you into your home?

    One of the enduring mysteries of modern political discourse is the way in which smart people ... impose curious, unworkable double standards on America. Let’s take, for example, the response of many on the left to the so-called Caravan, an effort by thousands of Guatamalans to storm the US border.

    After all, the international legal standards are clear. A nation has the right to protect the integrity of its border, and that right is supplemented by an inherent right of self-defense in the face of a hostile foreign power. ... Any reasonable person contemplating the consequences of a border-wall breach knows that chaos and bloodshed may result.
    ...
    Yet still yesterday we saw tweets and articles not just from the single-minded anti-American Left but also from far more thoughtful observers:

    Chris Hayes

    @chrislhayes

    Is it the official position of the US government that lethal force is justified for unarmed protesters who approach a border fence with intent to climb it?
    ...
    Let’s answer these tweets with a question. What would you have America do when thousands of people march on the border, some armed, some not? What would you have America do when you know that terrorists are certainly mixed in that crowd, people who’d gladly shoot or stab American citizens if they were ever to gain access to American towns?

    ... You can’t let thousands (or perhaps tens of thousands) of people flood into American communities.

    Oh, and you’re not allowed to presume that the American military has superhuman ability to do what no military force has ever been able to do: effectively and reliably control hostile armed mobs with exclusively nonlethal means. In other words, tear gas won’t get the job done.

     

    he wrote an article saying Israel has the right to do it. and people have been trolling him over it – bullycided into consistency.

  175. if there’s going to be a lot of troops on the border then maybe the best way to protect them from rocks is to build some kind of concrete barrier?

  176. @anon
    Hell yes. Send a few special forces. Or contractors. A platoon could operate 1000 miles into Mexico.

    Legal? As legal as Syria or a dozen other interventions.

    I would settle for the TSA. There are a lot of them and they seem to keep illegals out of airports. Mostly.

  177. @Fred Boynton
    The coward that Patton slapped, Pvt Charles Kuhl, was a Jew (which is why Patton got in so much trouble for slapping a soldier; he could have executed a goyim on the spot without trouble).

    I looked Charles Kuhl up and Find-a-Grave shows him buried under the Christian cross. There were TWO soldiers slapped by Patton. The other happened a week later and was was named Bennett.

  178. @istevefan
    Adelson donated $30 million towards the mid terms in May, and another $25 million in August. So if the GOP wins, we will see if your theory holds.

    The Sheldon Adelson Globalizer GOP can go straight to Hell.

    The Patriotic GOP that fights for the interests of the European Christian ancestral core of the United States will defeat the Adelson Globalizer GOP.

    Any politician who takes shekels from Shelly Adelson is UNTRUSTWORTHY.

    Immigration Moratorium Now!

    Deport All Illegal Alien Invaders Now!

    No More War For Israel In The Middle East And West Asia!

  179. @J.Ross
    The tone-deaf Left doubles down:
    https://postimg.cc/tnJ2X80B
    (This is not entirely true by the way but whatever, enjoy the rocks.)
    So what if human traffickers are using the migrants to enslave children? You should have seen what our brave Afghan allies do to their kids!

    Ahh, yes; war crimes. One of those gifts that always delivers.

  180. @David
    Watched first half. Very poor debate. Frum nearly brings himself to tears again and again. Mentions kristallnacht at 24:00. Bannon makes a few points about financial bailouts and the stagnating middle class, but comes off as a sleepy debater, saying at least twice, "We're not talking about not having elections." Talk about seizing the field!

    It would have been nice if Bannon had asked Frum, are democracies allowed to vote on limiting immigration? Or something to bring out the extremism of the anti-populists.

    They’re fearful they cant walk any more within the crutch of Holocaustianity.

    They’re going to have to learn.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    My phone is having trouble with without this week.
  181. @Knox
    Good time for Trump to finally bring home the 40,000 troops from Germany , the 15,000 troops from Italy, the 45,000 troops from Japan and the 35,000 troops from Korea, etc... we need them to defend our own border.

    the 40,000 troops from Germany , the 15,000 troops from Italy, the 45,000 troops from Japan and the 35,000 troops from Korea, etc

    As we all recall, American funding was this year given to build walls in various countries in the Middle East, but not for America. It appears the only wall they can’t build is for themselves and the only border they can’t defend is their own.

  182. @Hunsdon
    Sam Fuller was primarily a film maker but also wrote pulp novels, and directed the great "The Big Red One."

    Fuller spoke with contempt of captured enemy soldiers who surrendered when they ran out of ammunition. He implied that these surrenders were not, er, accepted.

    “Don’t shoot, I’m out of amm-un-ition” should be a Sailer-ism, that’s for sure.

    “The Geneva Convention is bullshit. Completely. A piece of paper is nothing. What’s in your hand is a gun, and what’s in there is a 5-cent bullet. That’s your treaty, or no treaty. And when you see a man and he gives up, you either shoot him or you don’t. You do it, you’re God! There’s no president, no general, it’s the GI, it’s the Tommy Atkins, it’s how he feels, right there. And if you’re on the wrong end of the gun and he looks you in the eye, you know you’re gonna get it, and you get it. One thing is” – sarcastic look – “you’re not supposed to shoot a prisoner-of-war. I don’t believe in that! When a man came to us as a prisoner-of-war, and he throws down his gun, his Mauser, and puts his hands in the air, my sergeant would pick that Mauser up and he’d rack it back and if there’s a round in there, just one bullet, that guy lives. But if he ran out of bullets, ohhhh” – look of caustic and cosmic judgment – “we blow his head off. ‘Cos, isn’t that cute?? He shoots your friend here. He wounds this guy. He wounds you. Kills that guy. And then he says to another guy, ‘Don’t shoot!’ Why? Because he ran out of amm-un-ition….!” He draws the phrase out like a death-rattle, at once summation and damnation.

  183. @Buck
    That might be the most subtle antisemitic cartoon ever.

    The soldier is basically saying, " I signed up to protect the integrity of Israel's borders, not the United States."

    And the sign says "Border Mexico" and not "U.S.-Mexico border". That's not an oversight. The NYT wants to portray sending the military as an offensive against Mexico, not defending the United States.

    Patrick Chappatte has a Lebanese mother and a Swiss father and was born in Karachi, Pakistan. He is not a native English speaker. Thus the grammatical errors – that’s all. I doubt he is interested in protecting Israel’s borders.

    I guess editorial cartoonist is another job Americans won’t do.

  184. @Anonymous

    There are plenty of Jews in the British forces
     
    Not according to the UK Ministry of Defence.
    I count, in the latest year listed, 10 Jews in the navy, 10 in the air force, and 50 in the army, out of about 180,000 total service personnel.
    Jews are about half a percent of the UK population but served in its armed forces at less than 10 percent of that.

    Well, ‘British’ Muslims send more men to fight for ISIS than the British armed forces:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hundreds-more-uk-muslims-choose-jihad-than-army-l38256qqxx3

  185. @Fred Boynton
    The coward that Patton slapped, Pvt Charles Kuhl, was a Jew (which is why Patton got in so much trouble for slapping a soldier; he could have executed a goyim on the spot without trouble).

    There’s an imaginary Joo hiding under every rock. Kuhl is a German surname.

    • Replies: @Anon
    How quickly they forget.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juliusz_K%C3%BChl

    Though of course on the odds it's pretty unlikely the soldier in the Patton incident was Jewish.

    Looking him up it's really unlikely he's Jewish.

    Charles Herman Kuhl was born on 6 November 1915 in Mishawaka, IN, the son of casket maker Herman F. Kuhl.

    , @Buster Keaton's Stunt Double

    There’s an imaginary Joo hiding under every rock.
     
    That's what they said about Communists in the 50s. Of course, it actually turned out to be true... :P
    , @Svigor
    Behind every imaginary Joo, there are ten imaginary Nahhhhziiiis.
  186. @Jack D
    There's an imaginary Joo hiding under every rock. Kuhl is a German surname.

    How quickly they forget.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juliusz_K%C3%BChl

    Though of course on the odds it’s pretty unlikely the soldier in the Patton incident was Jewish.

    Looking him up it’s really unlikely he’s Jewish.

    Charles Herman Kuhl was born on 6 November 1915 in Mishawaka, IN, the son of casket maker Herman F. Kuhl.

  187. @Neuday
    As I read it, the Pentagon is refusing to be Law Enforcement Officers. Considering the military is theoretically focused on killing people and breaking stuff, and also that law enforcement never requires hugely expensive weapons contracts, it's understandable that the Pentagon isn't interested.

    If we could tell the Pentagon that they're going to award $30 billion in contracts for wall construction and the troops are needed for site protection, they might come around.

    So when they swear to defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic, what qualifies as domestic? He isn’t asking them to write parking tickets, but to defend the border. How is that not THE fundamental function of our military?

    • Agree: Bubba
  188. Nick Kristof, taking a break from ‘investigating’ child sex trafficking around the world.

  189. @Microsoft Office 2016
    I think he forgot the part where the word RACIST has lost its panache. Although I do like shouting RACIST at leftists IRL when appropriate (ie not in dangerous neighborhoods).

    Apparently, the word “racism” was originally coined by the liberal right to describe anti-Semitic government policies, particularly pro-gentile affirmative action in fascist Europe. It was only in the late 60s that the liberal left started using the term to describe informal white prejudice towards NAMs. Hence, when the alt right lite describes the modern left as racist they are reclaiming their own term.

  190. @gregor
    All the talk about this or that bellwether is usually just propaganda. I don’t read much into it.

    I don’t know how much difference early voting makes. But I very much oppose it on principle. A vote should be a snapshot of public sentiment at a point in time. To extend it to a period of weeks, which may in turn may affect strategy and deployment of resources is a contamination of the process, imo. Much more opportunity for shenanigans.

    I don’t know how much difference early voting makes. But I very much oppose it on principle. A vote should be a snapshot of public sentiment at a point in time. To extend it to a period of weeks, which may in turn may affect strategy and deployment of resources is a contamination of the process, imo. Much more opportunity for shenanigans.

    From what I have read it’s blunting the impact of “October Surprises” so a significant number of people had already voted when the hoax mail bombs and synagogue shooting happened. Perhaps we’ll start seeing September surprises now. Or the “surprises” will stop altogether.

  191. @Anon
    Say that to their faces.

    i would love to.

  192. @Jack D
    There's an imaginary Joo hiding under every rock. Kuhl is a German surname.

    There’s an imaginary Joo hiding under every rock.

    That’s what they said about Communists in the 50s. Of course, it actually turned out to be true… :P

    • Replies: @Wade
    And lots of those were Joos! ;)
    , @Ray Huffman
    No, those were actually Satan-worshiping illuminists. McCarthy called those freaks Commies because he didn't know what the hell else to call them.
  193. @istevefan
    Rod Serling, the creator of the Twilight Zone, had a rough go in the Pacific.

    Serling's time in Leyte shaped his writing and political views for the rest of his life. He saw death every day while in the Philippines, at the hands of his enemies and his allies, and through freak accidents such as that which killed another Jewish private, Melvin Levy. Levy was delivering a comic monologue for the platoon as it rested under a palm tree when a food crate was dropped from a plane above, decapitating him. Serling led the funeral services for Levy and placed a Star of David over his grave. Serling later set several of his scripts in the Philippines and used the unpredictability of death as a theme in much of his writing.
     

    Rod Serling, the creator of the Twilight Zone, had a rough go in the Pacific.

    James Michener also served in the South Pacific and I think he wrote a few tales about it. Not sure if he was Jewish, since he did not know who his biological parents were, but he could have been. Like Prince William and Kate Middleton, he studied history at St. Andrews in Scotland.

    In one of his books, The Source (which I have read, having gone through a phase in which I read all Micheners works during the early 80′s and gained a bit of knowledge about the history of the US and other places from them) Michener recounts the origins and rise of Judaism starting with early Hebrews and, carrying the reader all the way through to the modern Israeli-Palestinian conflict–so it seems that he had some provisional interest in Judaism since he may have been a Jew for all he knew, like Moses who was also of unknown parentage and abandoned as a baby to be eaten by Nile crocodiles, but later on made good as a legislator and leader of a caravan of refugees determined to settle in aboriginal territory that they believed was land promised to them by Yahweh.

    According to Wikipedia “He traveled throughout the South Pacific Ocean on various assignments which he gained because his base commanders mistakenly thought his father was Admiral Marc Mitscher.” (who was obviously well-known to semi-literate tribal base commanders to be a complete bastard himself, and therefore likely to be the father of others).

  194. @Whiskey
    Yes but border enforcement cuts both ways. The NY Post has an article, link on Drudge, where White College Educated Professional women who went for Romney over Obama by 7 points and Hillary over Trump by 22 points or something like it are A. Both highly Pussy-hatted motivated to turn to vote, and B. solidly against border enforcement against the little ninos and their future Uber Drivers, gardeners, nannies, and cooks.

    There is nothing Nice White Ladies like more than a Third World Eat-Pray-Love sh!thole coming to them. So they don't even have to travel. Nice White ladies never go to Switzerland or the functional places in New Zealand. Too boring. Not vibrant enough.

    Trump threatening to cut off the endless supply of subservient gig-servants to Nice White ladies is a gut punch to them. Expect them to turn out ever single one of them to vote Dem. I expect Dems to get something like 85% of White College Educated women. I hope to God that's enough to give them the House and Senate, Florida and Georgia are already lost causes. Georgia is going to elect the less talented Oprah clone (Oprah did show up to campaign for her) with bad fanfic level romance novels -- and a plan to send the police house to house to seize all (White only) people's guns and throw the owners in jail.

    Lets face it border enforcement and using the military to secure our borders not fight in the Middle East is a lunatic, fringe position only held by White men, and working class White women. EVERYONE ELSE, particularly those who matter: Nice White Ladies, Gays, Hollywood Actors and Actresses, Media Whores, Hedge Fund bigshots, and non-Whites can't get enough of dirt cheap gig labor and drowning middle class White America in Central Americans so there is no check on their power.

    Look at Italy -- Salvini is powerless against NGOs who are sending boats to pick up "Migrants" from North Africa and dumping them in Italian ports. Again, his courts wont' allow him to do anything about it. Sound familiar?

    Heck a Judge in Hawaii has his injunction all ready to go the minute the first soldier steps up to the border, and another order removing Trump from office. I'm sure Rod Rosenstein and Sessions and Mueller are all drooling over the unforced error of Trump actually trying to do something about the border -- knowing they can remove him with a judge's order in a heartbeat.

    I’m sure Rod Rosenstein and Sessions and Mueller are all drooling over the unforced error of Trump actually trying to do something about the border — knowing they can remove him with a judge’s order in a heartbeat.

    That’s more insane than the loony cartoon.

  195. @Nathan
    Well, then let's drop JDAMs on Antifa. It's what Abe Lincoln would have done.

    https://i.stack.imgur.com/gisDo.jpg

    The leftists shrieking that Trump=Hitler are confused. It’s Trump=Lincoln they really should fear.

  196. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Rare moment of lucidity from National Review:


    Trump Has the Right and Obligation to Defend the Border with Deadly Force [nationalreview.com]

    By David French

    Would you let people who want to kill you into your home?

    One of the enduring mysteries of modern political discourse is the way in which smart people ... impose curious, unworkable double standards on America. Let’s take, for example, the response of many on the left to the so-called Caravan, an effort by thousands of Guatamalans to storm the US border.

    After all, the international legal standards are clear. A nation has the right to protect the integrity of its border, and that right is supplemented by an inherent right of self-defense in the face of a hostile foreign power. ... Any reasonable person contemplating the consequences of a border-wall breach knows that chaos and bloodshed may result.
    ...
    Yet still yesterday we saw tweets and articles not just from the single-minded anti-American Left but also from far more thoughtful observers:

    Chris Hayes

    @chrislhayes

    Is it the official position of the US government that lethal force is justified for unarmed protesters who approach a border fence with intent to climb it?
    ...
    Let’s answer these tweets with a question. What would you have America do when thousands of people march on the border, some armed, some not? What would you have America do when you know that terrorists are certainly mixed in that crowd, people who’d gladly shoot or stab American citizens if they were ever to gain access to American towns?

    ... You can’t let thousands (or perhaps tens of thousands) of people flood into American communities.

    Oh, and you’re not allowed to presume that the American military has superhuman ability to do what no military force has ever been able to do: effectively and reliably control hostile armed mobs with exclusively nonlethal means. In other words, tear gas won’t get the job done.

     

    Where’s the pod with the real David French?

  197. @Anonymous
    I think it was Bang Gong under Col. Chuck Barris.

    I think it was Bang Gong under Col. Chuck Barris.

    That’s where Marc Bolan won the Medal of Honor.

  198. @Nathan
    Ha! That's funny. You want to know why the cuck always wore cuckold's horns in medieval art? Because everyone could see what was going on except the cuck, just like you wouldn't be able to see a set of horns stuck to your head. If you think it's smart to force colleges to admit hoards of Chinese and Indian students because muh fairness, and stop all the discriminatin'. Well, go ahead. Let's see how it works out this time. I'm sure that proving Harvard discriminates against Asians will somehow magically put an end to affirmative action and somehow tangentially benefit whites. Somehow.

    http://vriley.edublogs.org/files/2014/11/cuckold-28fxma0.jpg

    Meanwhile, let's "put the military on the border" and continue to ignore the people who are directing and organizing the caravans. In an illegal criminal conspiracy. Never mind all of those dozens of Federal law enforcement agencies that we pay good money for and actually have the ability to shut the issue down at the source. Nope, what we need is to have the Army camp out on the border like it's 1914 all over again.

    http://exnet.narod.ru/USA/old/Mexican-3.jpg

    Meanwhile, let’s “put the military on the border” and continue to ignore the people who are directing and organizing the caravans. In an illegal criminal conspiracy. Never mind all of those dozens of Federal law enforcement agencies that we pay good money for and actually have the ability to shut the issue down at the source. Nope, what we need is to have the Army camp out on the border like it’s 1914 all over again.

    What if we did both? They are not mutually exclusive.

    • Replies: @Nathan
    They aren't but we aren't talking about prosecuting the organizers. We're talking about putting the military on the border. And not prosecuting the organizers. Not even mentioning them.
  199. @Clifford Brown
    The Pittsburgh shooting has really unnerved our intellectual class. Usually milquetoast Planet Money podcaster, Adam Davidson, has become particularly unmoored. The complete collapse of all impartiality in journalism is astounding.

    https://twitter.com/adamdavidson/status/1057232917523505153

    The media aren’t even pretending to hide their bias anymore. Look at this recent Times story, ostenibly on the “News” side of the business, rather than opinion:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump%E2%80%99s-nationalism-is-breaking-point-for-some-suburban-voters-risking-gop-coalition/ar-BBPergt?li=BBnbfcP

    Rather than seeking to coax voters like these back into the Republican coalition, Mr. Trump appears to have all but written them off, spending the final days of the campaign delivering a scorching message about preoccupations like birthright citizenship and a migrant “invasion” from Mexico that these voters see through as alarmist.

    Hardly a neutral statement. Millions of people voted for Trump who are opposed to birthright citizenship and do consider what is happening to America an invasion. But these are just “preoccupations”, not actual facts, you see.

    One of those disenchanted voters is J. Mark Metts, a 60-year-old partner at one of this city’s prestigious law firms. Mr. Metts had never voted for a Democratic presidential candidate until 2016. Now he and some of his neighbors in the moneyed River Oaks enclave of Houston are about to oppose a Republican once again, to register their disapproval of President Trump.

    i.e., a Never-Trumper continues to be a Never-Trumper. This is supposed to say something about the contemporary GOP?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    a Never-Trumper continues to be a Never-Trumper. This is supposed to say something about the contemporary GOP?

    Does the NYT notice that many Never-GOP white workers are voting for the GOP because of Trump?
  200. @Jonathan Mason

    One of the basic responsibilities of any state is the protection of its borders. A state that won’t do that is no state at all, and any ruling elite that opposes it should be deposed.
     
    Florida is a state that does not seem to do a very good job of protecting its borders. All kinds of riff-raff arriving all the time on I-95 and I-10, and vans with blacked out windows carrying illegal orange pickers and lemon squeezers with impunity.

    Jonathon, the caravan of Canadian invaders heading for Florida has already begun. All those Canadians that distain all things American except our Southern beaches starting at SC and on down

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    ... the caravan of Canadian invaders heading for Florida has already begun. All those Canadians that disdain all things American except our Southern beaches ...
     
    ... we shall fight them on the beaches... we shall fight them in the fast food restaurants, we shall fight them at Orlando International Airport, we shall fight them on the Trump National Doral Golf Course, we shall fight them in the Keys, we shall run them off I-95, we shall never surrender.

    [Sir Winston Churchill]

    , @Reg Cæsar

    Jonathon, the caravan of Canadian invaders heading for Florida has already begun. All those Canadians that distain all things American except our Southern beaches starting at SC and on down
     
    The French prefer the Atlantic coast, while the Ontarians head for the Gulf. I don't know if that predated the Expos and Blue Jays spring training sites, though. Midwesterners are also big on the Gulf, and Ontarians are similar to them.

    Jonathon...
     
    A customer on the phone named Jonathan once wanted me to confirm that I'd spelled his given name right. "I'm not the race."
  201. @Tyrion 2
    You don't get hints do yoy. Come on, I'm 98% on your side, no need to make me suffer so. Medals are medals after all.

    I do enjoy busting your balls.

  202. @L Woods
    ...are you expecting disagreement?

    Nope, let’s swing for the fences! They’ll be doing it if they ever get back in power.

  203. @Desiderius
    They’re fearful they cant walk any more within the crutch of Holocaustianity.

    They’re going to have to learn.

    My phone is having trouble with without this week.

  204. @Tex

    Meanwhile, let’s “put the military on the border” and continue to ignore the people who are directing and organizing the caravans. In an illegal criminal conspiracy. Never mind all of those dozens of Federal law enforcement agencies that we pay good money for and actually have the ability to shut the issue down at the source. Nope, what we need is to have the Army camp out on the border like it’s 1914 all over again.
     
    What if we did both? They are not mutually exclusive.

    They aren’t but we aren’t talking about prosecuting the organizers. We’re talking about putting the military on the border. And not prosecuting the organizers. Not even mentioning them.

  205. @istevefan

    That’s essentially what’s happening here, and it’s usually a mission more suited to the National Guard. The Guard tends to be made up of a greater proportion of logistics and sustainment elements, while the active components are more combat focused.
     
    It is the Army Reserves which comprise a greater proportion of support troops. The Army National Guard, though it does have support formations, also includes 1/3 of the Army's combat capability. That's' why so many Guardsmen had to do combat tours during Afghanistan and Iraq. Most people erroneously believed that being in the Guard was safe because of the Vietnam War. But during the 70's and 80s's the Guard was changed into being a round-out component for the active duty combat formations.

    That said, I am not expecting National Guard infantry or armor to deploy to the border. It would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath.

    …..well, ok then. I didn’t know the proportion of combat arms to logistics/sustainment was that high in the guard.

  206. @David In TN
    Yeah, what's next, will they send a reporter to cover the next Christian-Newsom Knoxville Horror trial?

    Good one – and if they bothered to send a reporter the word “black” or “African-American” would be censored from anything published.

  207. @Mr. Anon
    The media aren't even pretending to hide their bias anymore. Look at this recent Times story, ostenibly on the "News" side of the business, rather than opinion:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump%E2%80%99s-nationalism-is-breaking-point-for-some-suburban-voters-risking-gop-coalition/ar-BBPergt?li=BBnbfcP

    Rather than seeking to coax voters like these back into the Republican coalition, Mr. Trump appears to have all but written them off, spending the final days of the campaign delivering a scorching message about preoccupations like birthright citizenship and a migrant “invasion” from Mexico that these voters see through as alarmist.
     
    Hardly a neutral statement. Millions of people voted for Trump who are opposed to birthright citizenship and do consider what is happening to America an invasion. But these are just "preoccupations", not actual facts, you see.

    One of those disenchanted voters is J. Mark Metts, a 60-year-old partner at one of this city’s prestigious law firms. Mr. Metts had never voted for a Democratic presidential candidate until 2016. Now he and some of his neighbors in the moneyed River Oaks enclave of Houston are about to oppose a Republican once again, to register their disapproval of President Trump.
     
    i.e., a Never-Trumper continues to be a Never-Trumper. This is supposed to say something about the contemporary GOP?

    a Never-Trumper continues to be a Never-Trumper. This is supposed to say something about the contemporary GOP?

    Does the NYT notice that many Never-GOP white workers are voting for the GOP because of Trump?

    • Replies: @Bubba

    Does the NYT notice that many Never-GOP white workers are voting for the GOP because of Trump?
     
    I think they do, I've noticed the NYT's always calls them racists.
  208. @Buffalo Joe
    Jonathon, the caravan of Canadian invaders heading for Florida has already begun. All those Canadians that distain all things American except our Southern beaches starting at SC and on down

    … the caravan of Canadian invaders heading for Florida has already begun. All those Canadians that disdain all things American except our Southern beaches …

    … we shall fight them on the beaches… we shall fight them in the fast food restaurants, we shall fight them at Orlando International Airport, we shall fight them on the Trump National Doral Golf Course, we shall fight them in the Keys, we shall run them off I-95, we shall never surrender.

    [Sir Winston Churchill]

    • Replies: @Bubba
    Sounds great! I can't wait to enlist for this enjoyable job! I'll have to dust up my high school French for those pesky Quebecians.
    , @Dtbb
    Oldest joke in Fl. What is the difference between a yankee and a damned yankee? Answer: A yankee comes to visit and a damn yankee comes to stay. I prefer yankees.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Mr. Mason Very funny
  209. @Jack D
    There's an imaginary Joo hiding under every rock. Kuhl is a German surname.

    Behind every imaginary Joo, there are ten imaginary Nahhhhziiiis.

  210. @Miss Turnstiles
    Hon - the whole goddamn paper is a liberal "Dear Abby" column. Every person who writes for it, with the exception of a few decent foreign correspondents, is a lefty agony aunt.

    LOL! And thank you for pointing that out. I stopped reading it when they were Borking (now Kavanaughing) another very honorable man, Clarence Thomas. It shouldn’t surprise me that it is now “All the Agony Aunt Gossip Fit to Print.” Jill Abramson did a wonderful job converting it to an unreadable feminista SJW Twitter rant.

  211. @Jonathan Mason

    ... the caravan of Canadian invaders heading for Florida has already begun. All those Canadians that disdain all things American except our Southern beaches ...
     
    ... we shall fight them on the beaches... we shall fight them in the fast food restaurants, we shall fight them at Orlando International Airport, we shall fight them on the Trump National Doral Golf Course, we shall fight them in the Keys, we shall run them off I-95, we shall never surrender.

    [Sir Winston Churchill]

    Sounds great! I can’t wait to enlist for this enjoyable job! I’ll have to dust up my high school French for those pesky Quebecians.

  212. @Harry Baldwin
    a Never-Trumper continues to be a Never-Trumper. This is supposed to say something about the contemporary GOP?

    Does the NYT notice that many Never-GOP white workers are voting for the GOP because of Trump?

    Does the NYT notice that many Never-GOP white workers are voting for the GOP because of Trump?

    I think they do, I’ve noticed the NYT’s always calls them racists.

  213. @Tyrion 2
    You don't get hints do yoy. Come on, I'm 98% on your side, no need to make me suffer so. Medals are medals after all.

    no need to make me suffer so

    Teary, instead of whining on the internet, are you going to answer my considered rebuttal (#511) to your failures of logic in that recent thread? :) :) :)

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    It was suffer your stupidity...

    Ypur comment #511 was the just same old easily debunked nonsense rehashed in particularly incoherent form.

  214. @istevefan

    IMHO, he is taking advantage of the crisis to permanently park the military on the Southern border to up the ante. Same with declaring his desire to issue an EO to end birthright citizenship.
     
    This really is a great opportunity to take advantage of a situation to park the military down there. I can't recall the specifics, but immediately after 9-11, Bush deployed troops to the border. Because of the intensity following 9-11, there wasn't much of a peep from opponents over this move. Also, it did have the impact of seriously slowing border crossings. But the policy was ended after a couple months.

    This time can be different. More caravans are going to be on the horizon and Venezuela is pretty close to a collapse. As Rahm once said, "don't let a good crisis go to waste."

    Had Bush just used 9/11 to end immigration rather then fight a war for Israel by invading Iraq he would have done a huge service to his country and at no cost in American blood.

    • Agree: gregor
    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe

    Had Bush just used 9/11 to end immigration rather then fight a war for Israel by invading Iraq he would have done a huge service to his country and at no cost in American blood.
     
    worth repeating
  215. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    no need to make me suffer so
     
    Teary, instead of whining on the internet, are you going to answer my considered rebuttal (#511) to your failures of logic in that recent thread? :) :) :)

    It was suffer your stupidity…

    Ypur comment #511 was the just same old easily debunked nonsense rehashed in particularly incoherent form.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    same old easily debunked nonsense
     
    So easy to debunk, you won’t debunk it?

    It’s funny how you’re suddenly eager to clam up after spilling so much virtual ink in rhetorical debate in these here parts. An objective third party might come to the conclusion ya done got beat, son. No shame in admitting it …
  216. @Tyrion 2
    It was suffer your stupidity...

    Ypur comment #511 was the just same old easily debunked nonsense rehashed in particularly incoherent form.

    same old easily debunked nonsense

    So easy to debunk, you won’t debunk it?

    It’s funny how you’re suddenly eager to clam up after spilling so much virtual ink in rhetorical debate in these here parts. An objective third party might come to the conclusion ya done got beat, son. No shame in admitting it …

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    By what?
  217. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    same old easily debunked nonsense
     
    So easy to debunk, you won’t debunk it?

    It’s funny how you’re suddenly eager to clam up after spilling so much virtual ink in rhetorical debate in these here parts. An objective third party might come to the conclusion ya done got beat, son. No shame in admitting it …

    By what?

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Huh?
  218. @Buster Keaton's Stunt Double

    There’s an imaginary Joo hiding under every rock.
     
    That's what they said about Communists in the 50s. Of course, it actually turned out to be true... :P

    And lots of those were Joos! ;)

  219. @Jonathan Mason

    ... the caravan of Canadian invaders heading for Florida has already begun. All those Canadians that disdain all things American except our Southern beaches ...
     
    ... we shall fight them on the beaches... we shall fight them in the fast food restaurants, we shall fight them at Orlando International Airport, we shall fight them on the Trump National Doral Golf Course, we shall fight them in the Keys, we shall run them off I-95, we shall never surrender.

    [Sir Winston Churchill]

    Oldest joke in Fl. What is the difference between a yankee and a damned yankee? Answer: A yankee comes to visit and a damn yankee comes to stay. I prefer yankees.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Oldest joke in Fl. What is the difference between a yankee and a damned yankee? Answer: A yankee comes to visit and a damn yankee comes to stay. I prefer yankees.
     
    Yankees, damn Yankees, and statistics:

    "The study says that more than 33 million people will live in Florida in 2070 - that's nearly 13 million more than today." http://www.1000friendsofflorida.org/


    http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/shared/npr/styles/placed_wide/nprshared/201609/494140330.jpg
  220. @Tyrion 2
    By what?

    Huh?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    Do you have an actual point...
  221. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Huh?

    Do you have an actual point…

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Are you thick, chappie?

    You ignore my proof that Goldberg is cheering the demographic replacement of whites in general, which I proved from excerpts from her article, and you won’t answer my question if you think that “Never Again” is a valid concept as a means for countering encroaching conditions for genocide…

    Perhaps you do find “Never Again” a valid watchword, but only for Jews, which would explain your blithe attitude to Goldberg’s anti-white prescriptions. Of course it would be awkward for you to admit that, given your postures of being a reasonable ‘ally’. So you bailed on a long-running debate when I disproved your lies about Goldberg trying to marginalize only “white nationalists.”

    Unless you care to honestly attempt to rebut my comment (#511) in the original thread, the only verdict on your cowardly demurrals and hand-waving is that you’re a stereotypical serpent.

    So you gonna man up or what? …

  222. @AnonyBot
    Where would Americans be without Swiss-Lebanese cartoonists to tell us what to think?

    It's funny how much Trump has moved the Overton window. If Trump weren't talking about guarding the Mexican border the press would be calling our wars in the Middle East "racist." Suddenly they've become the very reason for our existence.

    The Press would never call our wars racist.

    Look who butters their bread.

  223. Wilford Brimley was Howard Hughes’s bodyguard.

  224. @Alfa158
    If the population of the geographical area presently known as the United States is less than 10% White it won’t be the United States anymore, it will be a collection of Balkanized states.

    It already is not, and it already is. Pay attention.

  225. @Buster Keaton's Stunt Double

    There’s an imaginary Joo hiding under every rock.
     
    That's what they said about Communists in the 50s. Of course, it actually turned out to be true... :P

    No, those were actually Satan-worshiping illuminists. McCarthy called those freaks Commies because he didn’t know what the hell else to call them.

  226. @Jonathan Mason

    ... the caravan of Canadian invaders heading for Florida has already begun. All those Canadians that disdain all things American except our Southern beaches ...
     
    ... we shall fight them on the beaches... we shall fight them in the fast food restaurants, we shall fight them at Orlando International Airport, we shall fight them on the Trump National Doral Golf Course, we shall fight them in the Keys, we shall run them off I-95, we shall never surrender.

    [Sir Winston Churchill]

    Mr. Mason Very funny

  227. @Tyrion 2
    Do you have an actual point...

    Are you thick, chappie?

    You ignore my proof that Goldberg is cheering the demographic replacement of whites in general, which I proved from excerpts from her article, and you won’t answer my question if you think that “Never Again” is a valid concept as a means for countering encroaching conditions for genocide…

    Perhaps you do find “Never Again” a valid watchword, but only for Jews, which would explain your blithe attitude to Goldberg’s anti-white prescriptions. Of course it would be awkward for you to admit that, given your postures of being a reasonable ‘ally’. So you bailed on a long-running debate when I disproved your lies about Goldberg trying to marginalize only “white nationalists.”

    Unless you care to honestly attempt to rebut my comment (#511) in the original thread, the only verdict on your cowardly demurrals and hand-waving is that you’re a stereotypical serpent.

    So you gonna man up or what? …

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    I'm so confused. Please explain how Goldberg's plan to fix elections by bringing in voters is akin to purposefully murdering milllions of people?
  228. @William Badwhite

    I met a few Jewish Coast Guardsmen. It’s far and away the best service if you want to be stationed in or near NYC.
     
    During WW2 the Coast Guard was sometimes referred to as "Abey's Navy"

    During WW2 the Coast Guard was sometimes referred to as “Abey’s Navy”

    My father and his sister’s husband both served in the USCG in the war. My dad was in the city much of his tour, but he wasn’t the kind to pass that kind of thing on. I don’t know where my uncle served, but he was anything but PC, and never told me that, either.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    Maybe if they were in the actual Navy or the Marine Corps, rather than in Abey's Navy, they'd have heard it.
  229. @Buffalo Joe
    Jonathon, the caravan of Canadian invaders heading for Florida has already begun. All those Canadians that distain all things American except our Southern beaches starting at SC and on down

    Jonathon, the caravan of Canadian invaders heading for Florida has already begun. All those Canadians that distain all things American except our Southern beaches starting at SC and on down

    The French prefer the Atlantic coast, while the Ontarians head for the Gulf. I don’t know if that predated the Expos and Blue Jays spring training sites, though. Midwesterners are also big on the Gulf, and Ontarians are similar to them.

    Jonathon

    A customer on the phone named Jonathan once wanted me to confirm that I’d spelled his given name right. “I’m not the race.”

  230. @Dtbb
    Oldest joke in Fl. What is the difference between a yankee and a damned yankee? Answer: A yankee comes to visit and a damn yankee comes to stay. I prefer yankees.

    Oldest joke in Fl. What is the difference between a yankee and a damned yankee? Answer: A yankee comes to visit and a damn yankee comes to stay. I prefer yankees.

    Yankees, damn Yankees, and statistics:

    “The study says that more than 33 million people will live in Florida in 2070 – that’s nearly 13 million more than today.” http://www.1000friendsofflorida.org/

  231. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Are you thick, chappie?

    You ignore my proof that Goldberg is cheering the demographic replacement of whites in general, which I proved from excerpts from her article, and you won’t answer my question if you think that “Never Again” is a valid concept as a means for countering encroaching conditions for genocide…

    Perhaps you do find “Never Again” a valid watchword, but only for Jews, which would explain your blithe attitude to Goldberg’s anti-white prescriptions. Of course it would be awkward for you to admit that, given your postures of being a reasonable ‘ally’. So you bailed on a long-running debate when I disproved your lies about Goldberg trying to marginalize only “white nationalists.”

    Unless you care to honestly attempt to rebut my comment (#511) in the original thread, the only verdict on your cowardly demurrals and hand-waving is that you’re a stereotypical serpent.

    So you gonna man up or what? …

    I’m so confused. Please explain how Goldberg’s plan to fix elections by bringing in voters is akin to purposefully murdering milllions of people?

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    This conversation seems to have had been ‘whimmed’ temporarily—possibly due to a bit of ad-hominem invective on my part. For that I apologize.

    I’m so confused. Please explain how Goldberg's plan to fix elections by bringing in voters is akin to purposefully murdering millions of people?
     
    Goldberg’s (unoriginal, but effective) “plan to fix elections”—Steve’s “ringer” theory—has a significant possibility of causing the future murders of millions of people in the US. If you know what a civil war is, that’s probably how it will happen. People like Goldberg are willfully creating the conditions for it. And sometimes in a civil war, one side with momentum may ‘run the table’ and wipe out the other side within the conflict area.

    If that happens along racial lines, voilà—genocide as it’s commonly understood. Another possibility further in the future is where whites become such a small proportion of the nation’s demographics that top-down actions from a government power structure made up of mostly non-whites could do to whites what the Nazis did to German Jews.

    The whole subthread in the original post started with you writing (#62):

    Goldberg isn’t advocating genocide of white people. She’s advocating using immigration to fix elections in favour of a party that still gets the majority of its votes from white people. Yes, I despise her opinions but morally equivocating them with Bowers is ludicrous.

    Bowers and his ilk are actually advocating genocide.
     
    Speaking to Goldberg’s and Bowers’s opinions (I’m not defending his murderous acts) you make a distinction without a difference. Both Goldberg and Bowers have opposing beliefs that if commonly adopted could lead to genocidal actions against their respective bugbears (white hegemony in Goldberg’s case, Jewish hegemony in Bowers’s case).

    The irony is that Bowers (and “his ilk”) would likely not be enraged at Jews in general (given his stated motivations) if Jews weren’t already so prominent in advocating the demographic dilution of whites, aka “diversity.”

    In comment #358 to silviosilver you wrote the following 3 quotes about Goldberg:

    The crucial operative here is intent. Without it, she is just stupid and not evil or conspiring against you.
     
    You’re assuming you know what’s ultimately in Goldberg’s sentiments. What we do know from her article is her dangerous (to whites) political intentions—and the commenters here recognize that, which lead to your next question:

    You ask “what’s the practical difference?” But if we burned people for unintended potential third order effects of their opinions then we’d had to do a whole lot of burning. The unintended third order effects of it would require burning those who proposed it. That is the nature of limited human knowledge.
     
    Here you’re blundering into major irony. Goldberg isn’t ignorant. She’s smart enough to land a job with the NYT and writes coherently. So we can’t pretend she’s some innocent who’s unaware of potential “third order effects” of demographic change over time.

    Furthermore, she’s Jewish and is certainly aware of the specter of the Holocaust and how it is taught in school and discussed in mainstream American culture, with the concept of “Never Again” ingrained in young student’s minds. (I understand you’re from the UK, maybe Holocaust education is different there?) So it’s safe to assume she’s aware of the valid concern many American whites have about white disenfranchisement.

    Indeed, such a policy would be obviously self-refuting.
     
    Exactly. Jews are not immune from self-destructive behavior. Goldberg’s public cheerleading for the dilution of the white electorate is self-refuting, given that her goals are seen as age-old ‘stereotypical Jewish behavior’ by those who are attuned to pattern recognition and have at least a rudimentary knowledge of history.

    She in turn is almost certainly aware of this view of her tribe, but likely thinks the anti-white demographic tide is on her side, and thus is exercising a bit of heady chutzpah. But that kind of chutzpah has indeed gotten millions of people “burned” in the past, and will likely again in the future, given historical patterns of cause and effect.

    A colleague of hers at the NYT, deputy Washington editor Jonathan Weisman, vocalized awareness of White Nationalist fears of genocide against whites in the context of Bowers’s motivations, and he states that the erosion of borders and also (white) national identities is beneficial to Jews (the tweet excerpt begins at 17:45 in the linked NYT podcast):

    https://twitter.com/BorzoiBoskovic/status/1059192442560438272

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/30/podcasts/the-daily/american-anti-semitism-shooting-synagogue.html

    Weisman (spoken emphasis is his):

    But what's really tricky about this conversation, and hard to grapple with, is that Jews in America have done the things, by welcoming outsiders, that they're being accused of doing by these white nationalists. (...)

    When borders are blurred, when distinctions actually are diminished, Jews tend to flourish. But when the drawbridge is raised, when borders are more clearly defined (…) those are bad times for Jews.
     
    To conclude my comment:

    Goldberg is no different in her goal than Bowers: Creating the conditions for genocide. She may not advocate it directly—but she advocates for conditions that will allow it to happen (at its core, it’s a numbers game). The main distinction between the two—tactics wise—is Bowers’s present-day willingness to commit/advocate violence to further his aims.

    Goldberg’s following article flirts with finding the idea of the left gearing up for potential violence intriguing:

    As a squishy liberal, I generally find the idea of adding more guns to our febrile politics frightening and dangerous. But sometimes a small desperate part of me thinks that if our country is going to be awash in firearms, maybe it behooves the left to learn how to use them. If nothing else, an armed left might once again create a bipartisan impetus for gun control.
     
    P.S., Here’s Goldberg (starting at 9:00) lumping the US “Christian Right” with White Nationalism—which she calls “Christian Nationalism.” That’s a lot of white Americans she wants to disenfranchise—far more than only self-identified “white nationalists”:

    … you still have this, you know, 35% disproportionately white conservative Evangelicals who are loyal to this president …

    I think [Trump’s] movement and the Christian Right have more in common than it might immediately be clear—and the beginning of that lies with race …
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlo0u6sJtyM&t=9m04s
  232. @anon
    Had Bush just used 9/11 to end immigration rather then fight a war for Israel by invading Iraq he would have done a huge service to his country and at no cost in American blood.

    Had Bush just used 9/11 to end immigration rather then fight a war for Israel by invading Iraq he would have done a huge service to his country and at no cost in American blood.

    worth repeating

  233. @Reg Cæsar

    During WW2 the Coast Guard was sometimes referred to as “Abey’s Navy”
     
    My father and his sister's husband both served in the USCG in the war. My dad was in the city much of his tour, but he wasn't the kind to pass that kind of thing on. I don't know where my uncle served, but he was anything but PC, and never told me that, either.

    Maybe if they were in the actual Navy or the Marine Corps, rather than in Abey’s Navy, they’d have heard it.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Maybe if they were in the actual Navy or the Marine Corps, rather than in Abey’s Navy, they’d have heard it.
     
    The Coast Guard may be the safest service in wartime, but they are the most dangerous in peace. I met some of the guys who went down with this cutter:

    U.S. Coast Guard Remembers Lives Lost in ‘Blackthorn’ Collision, Its Worst-Ever Peacetime Disaster

    Weather can be as deadly as any enemy, too. A storm brought down my close relative's chopper in Vietnam.

  234. @Tyrion 2
    I'm so confused. Please explain how Goldberg's plan to fix elections by bringing in voters is akin to purposefully murdering milllions of people?

    This conversation seems to have had been ‘whimmed’ temporarily—possibly due to a bit of ad-hominem invective on my part. For that I apologize.

    I’m so confused. Please explain how Goldberg’s plan to fix elections by bringing in voters is akin to purposefully murdering millions of people?

    Goldberg’s (unoriginal, but effective) “plan to fix elections”—Steve’s “ringer” theory—has a significant possibility of causing the future murders of millions of people in the US. If you know what a civil war is, that’s probably how it will happen. People like Goldberg are willfully creating the conditions for it. And sometimes in a civil war, one side with momentum may ‘run the table’ and wipe out the other side within the conflict area.

    If that happens along racial lines, voilà—genocide as it’s commonly understood. Another possibility further in the future is where whites become such a small proportion of the nation’s demographics that top-down actions from a government power structure made up of mostly non-whites could do to whites what the Nazis did to German Jews.

    The whole subthread in the original post started with you writing (#62):

    Goldberg isn’t advocating genocide of white people. She’s advocating using immigration to fix elections in favour of a party that still gets the majority of its votes from white people. Yes, I despise her opinions but morally equivocating them with Bowers is ludicrous.

    Bowers and his ilk are actually advocating genocide.

    Speaking to Goldberg’s and Bowers’s opinions (I’m not defending his murderous acts) you make a distinction without a difference. Both Goldberg and Bowers have opposing beliefs that if commonly adopted could lead to genocidal actions against their respective bugbears (white hegemony in Goldberg’s case, Jewish hegemony in Bowers’s case).

    The irony is that Bowers (and “his ilk”) would likely not be enraged at Jews in general (given his stated motivations) if Jews weren’t already so prominent in advocating the demographic dilution of whites, aka “diversity.”

    In comment #358 to silviosilver you wrote the following 3 quotes about Goldberg:

    The crucial operative here is intent. Without it, she is just stupid and not evil or conspiring against you.

    You’re assuming you know what’s ultimately in Goldberg’s sentiments. What we do know from her article is her dangerous (to whites) political intentions—and the commenters here recognize that, which lead to your next question:

    You ask “what’s the practical difference?” But if we burned people for unintended potential third order effects of their opinions then we’d had to do a whole lot of burning. The unintended third order effects of it would require burning those who proposed it. That is the nature of limited human knowledge.

    Here you’re blundering into major irony. Goldberg isn’t ignorant. She’s smart enough to land a job with the NYT and writes coherently. So we can’t pretend she’s some innocent who’s unaware of potential “third order effects” of demographic change over time.

    Furthermore, she’s Jewish and is certainly aware of the specter of the Holocaust and how it is taught in school and discussed in mainstream American culture, with the concept of “Never Again” ingrained in young student’s minds. (I understand you’re from the UK, maybe Holocaust education is different there?) So it’s safe to assume she’s aware of the valid concern many American whites have about white disenfranchisement.

    Indeed, such a policy would be obviously self-refuting.

    Exactly. Jews are not immune from self-destructive behavior. Goldberg’s public cheerleading for the dilution of the white electorate is self-refuting, given that her goals are seen as age-old ‘stereotypical Jewish behavior’ by those who are attuned to pattern recognition and have at least a rudimentary knowledge of history.

    She in turn is almost certainly aware of this view of her tribe, but likely thinks the anti-white demographic tide is on her side, and thus is exercising a bit of heady chutzpah. But that kind of chutzpah has indeed gotten millions of people “burned” in the past, and will likely again in the future, given historical patterns of cause and effect.

    A colleague of hers at the NYT, deputy Washington editor Jonathan Weisman, vocalized awareness of White Nationalist fears of genocide against whites in the context of Bowers’s motivations, and he states that the erosion of borders and also (white) national identities is beneficial to Jews (the tweet excerpt begins at 17:45 in the linked NYT podcast):

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/30/podcasts/the-daily/american-anti-semitism-shooting-synagogue.html

    Weisman (spoken emphasis is his):

    But what’s really tricky about this conversation, and hard to grapple with, is that Jews in America have done the things, by welcoming outsiders, that they’re being accused of doing by these white nationalists. (…)

    When borders are blurred, when distinctions actually are diminished, Jews tend to flourish. But when the drawbridge is raised, when borders are more clearly defined (…) those are bad times for Jews.

    To conclude my comment:

    Goldberg is no different in her goal than Bowers: Creating the conditions for genocide. She may not advocate it directly—but she advocates for conditions that will allow it to happen (at its core, it’s a numbers game). The main distinction between the two—tactics wise—is Bowers’s present-day willingness to commit/advocate violence to further his aims.

    Goldberg’s following article flirts with finding the idea of the left gearing up for potential violence intriguing:

    As a squishy liberal, I generally find the idea of adding more guns to our febrile politics frightening and dangerous. But sometimes a small desperate part of me thinks that if our country is going to be awash in firearms, maybe it behooves the left to learn how to use them. If nothing else, an armed left might once again create a bipartisan impetus for gun control.

    P.S., Here’s Goldberg (starting at 9:00) lumping the US “Christian Right” with White Nationalism—which she calls “Christian Nationalism.” That’s a lot of white Americans she wants to disenfranchise—far more than only self-identified “white nationalists”:

    … you still have this, you know, 35% disproportionately white conservative Evangelicals who are loyal to this president …

    I think [Trump’s] movement and the Christian Right have more in common than it might immediately be clear—and the beginning of that lies with race …

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Correction:

    I believe the first NYT podcast transcript sentence is from host Micheal Barbaro, possibly paraphrasing Weisman. The latter, I think, is Weisman.
    , @Tyrion 2
    I asked:

    Please explain how Goldberg’s plan to fix elections by bringing in voters is akin to purposefully murdering milllions of people?

    Your reply seems to be that one has the signficant possibility of leading to the other so they are the same.

    1. That isn't logical at all. Imagine if logic did work this way!

    2. Goldberg obviously disagrees as to the likelihood.

    3. So do the vast majority of Americans.

    4. At best, you can argue that it is an unintended consequence that practically nobody recognises and therefore Goldberg is guilty of being only averagely perpispacious.

    5. Bowers went and murdered people.

    6. 4 is less bad than 5.
  235. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    This conversation seems to have had been ‘whimmed’ temporarily—possibly due to a bit of ad-hominem invective on my part. For that I apologize.

    I’m so confused. Please explain how Goldberg's plan to fix elections by bringing in voters is akin to purposefully murdering millions of people?
     
    Goldberg’s (unoriginal, but effective) “plan to fix elections”—Steve’s “ringer” theory—has a significant possibility of causing the future murders of millions of people in the US. If you know what a civil war is, that’s probably how it will happen. People like Goldberg are willfully creating the conditions for it. And sometimes in a civil war, one side with momentum may ‘run the table’ and wipe out the other side within the conflict area.

    If that happens along racial lines, voilà—genocide as it’s commonly understood. Another possibility further in the future is where whites become such a small proportion of the nation’s demographics that top-down actions from a government power structure made up of mostly non-whites could do to whites what the Nazis did to German Jews.

    The whole subthread in the original post started with you writing (#62):

    Goldberg isn’t advocating genocide of white people. She’s advocating using immigration to fix elections in favour of a party that still gets the majority of its votes from white people. Yes, I despise her opinions but morally equivocating them with Bowers is ludicrous.

    Bowers and his ilk are actually advocating genocide.
     
    Speaking to Goldberg’s and Bowers’s opinions (I’m not defending his murderous acts) you make a distinction without a difference. Both Goldberg and Bowers have opposing beliefs that if commonly adopted could lead to genocidal actions against their respective bugbears (white hegemony in Goldberg’s case, Jewish hegemony in Bowers’s case).

    The irony is that Bowers (and “his ilk”) would likely not be enraged at Jews in general (given his stated motivations) if Jews weren’t already so prominent in advocating the demographic dilution of whites, aka “diversity.”

    In comment #358 to silviosilver you wrote the following 3 quotes about Goldberg:

    The crucial operative here is intent. Without it, she is just stupid and not evil or conspiring against you.
     
    You’re assuming you know what’s ultimately in Goldberg’s sentiments. What we do know from her article is her dangerous (to whites) political intentions—and the commenters here recognize that, which lead to your next question:

    You ask “what’s the practical difference?” But if we burned people for unintended potential third order effects of their opinions then we’d had to do a whole lot of burning. The unintended third order effects of it would require burning those who proposed it. That is the nature of limited human knowledge.
     
    Here you’re blundering into major irony. Goldberg isn’t ignorant. She’s smart enough to land a job with the NYT and writes coherently. So we can’t pretend she’s some innocent who’s unaware of potential “third order effects” of demographic change over time.

    Furthermore, she’s Jewish and is certainly aware of the specter of the Holocaust and how it is taught in school and discussed in mainstream American culture, with the concept of “Never Again” ingrained in young student’s minds. (I understand you’re from the UK, maybe Holocaust education is different there?) So it’s safe to assume she’s aware of the valid concern many American whites have about white disenfranchisement.

    Indeed, such a policy would be obviously self-refuting.
     
    Exactly. Jews are not immune from self-destructive behavior. Goldberg’s public cheerleading for the dilution of the white electorate is self-refuting, given that her goals are seen as age-old ‘stereotypical Jewish behavior’ by those who are attuned to pattern recognition and have at least a rudimentary knowledge of history.

    She in turn is almost certainly aware of this view of her tribe, but likely thinks the anti-white demographic tide is on her side, and thus is exercising a bit of heady chutzpah. But that kind of chutzpah has indeed gotten millions of people “burned” in the past, and will likely again in the future, given historical patterns of cause and effect.

    A colleague of hers at the NYT, deputy Washington editor Jonathan Weisman, vocalized awareness of White Nationalist fears of genocide against whites in the context of Bowers’s motivations, and he states that the erosion of borders and also (white) national identities is beneficial to Jews (the tweet excerpt begins at 17:45 in the linked NYT podcast):

    https://twitter.com/BorzoiBoskovic/status/1059192442560438272

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/30/podcasts/the-daily/american-anti-semitism-shooting-synagogue.html

    Weisman (spoken emphasis is his):

    But what's really tricky about this conversation, and hard to grapple with, is that Jews in America have done the things, by welcoming outsiders, that they're being accused of doing by these white nationalists. (...)

    When borders are blurred, when distinctions actually are diminished, Jews tend to flourish. But when the drawbridge is raised, when borders are more clearly defined (…) those are bad times for Jews.
     
    To conclude my comment:

    Goldberg is no different in her goal than Bowers: Creating the conditions for genocide. She may not advocate it directly—but she advocates for conditions that will allow it to happen (at its core, it’s a numbers game). The main distinction between the two—tactics wise—is Bowers’s present-day willingness to commit/advocate violence to further his aims.

    Goldberg’s following article flirts with finding the idea of the left gearing up for potential violence intriguing:

    As a squishy liberal, I generally find the idea of adding more guns to our febrile politics frightening and dangerous. But sometimes a small desperate part of me thinks that if our country is going to be awash in firearms, maybe it behooves the left to learn how to use them. If nothing else, an armed left might once again create a bipartisan impetus for gun control.
     
    P.S., Here’s Goldberg (starting at 9:00) lumping the US “Christian Right” with White Nationalism—which she calls “Christian Nationalism.” That’s a lot of white Americans she wants to disenfranchise—far more than only self-identified “white nationalists”:

    … you still have this, you know, 35% disproportionately white conservative Evangelicals who are loyal to this president …

    I think [Trump’s] movement and the Christian Right have more in common than it might immediately be clear—and the beginning of that lies with race …
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlo0u6sJtyM&t=9m04s

    Correction:

    I believe the first NYT podcast transcript sentence is from host Micheal Barbaro, possibly paraphrasing Weisman. The latter, I think, is Weisman.

  236. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    This conversation seems to have had been ‘whimmed’ temporarily—possibly due to a bit of ad-hominem invective on my part. For that I apologize.

    I’m so confused. Please explain how Goldberg's plan to fix elections by bringing in voters is akin to purposefully murdering millions of people?
     
    Goldberg’s (unoriginal, but effective) “plan to fix elections”—Steve’s “ringer” theory—has a significant possibility of causing the future murders of millions of people in the US. If you know what a civil war is, that’s probably how it will happen. People like Goldberg are willfully creating the conditions for it. And sometimes in a civil war, one side with momentum may ‘run the table’ and wipe out the other side within the conflict area.

    If that happens along racial lines, voilà—genocide as it’s commonly understood. Another possibility further in the future is where whites become such a small proportion of the nation’s demographics that top-down actions from a government power structure made up of mostly non-whites could do to whites what the Nazis did to German Jews.

    The whole subthread in the original post started with you writing (#62):

    Goldberg isn’t advocating genocide of white people. She’s advocating using immigration to fix elections in favour of a party that still gets the majority of its votes from white people. Yes, I despise her opinions but morally equivocating them with Bowers is ludicrous.

    Bowers and his ilk are actually advocating genocide.
     
    Speaking to Goldberg’s and Bowers’s opinions (I’m not defending his murderous acts) you make a distinction without a difference. Both Goldberg and Bowers have opposing beliefs that if commonly adopted could lead to genocidal actions against their respective bugbears (white hegemony in Goldberg’s case, Jewish hegemony in Bowers’s case).

    The irony is that Bowers (and “his ilk”) would likely not be enraged at Jews in general (given his stated motivations) if Jews weren’t already so prominent in advocating the demographic dilution of whites, aka “diversity.”

    In comment #358 to silviosilver you wrote the following 3 quotes about Goldberg:

    The crucial operative here is intent. Without it, she is just stupid and not evil or conspiring against you.
     
    You’re assuming you know what’s ultimately in Goldberg’s sentiments. What we do know from her article is her dangerous (to whites) political intentions—and the commenters here recognize that, which lead to your next question:

    You ask “what’s the practical difference?” But if we burned people for unintended potential third order effects of their opinions then we’d had to do a whole lot of burning. The unintended third order effects of it would require burning those who proposed it. That is the nature of limited human knowledge.
     
    Here you’re blundering into major irony. Goldberg isn’t ignorant. She’s smart enough to land a job with the NYT and writes coherently. So we can’t pretend she’s some innocent who’s unaware of potential “third order effects” of demographic change over time.

    Furthermore, she’s Jewish and is certainly aware of the specter of the Holocaust and how it is taught in school and discussed in mainstream American culture, with the concept of “Never Again” ingrained in young student’s minds. (I understand you’re from the UK, maybe Holocaust education is different there?) So it’s safe to assume she’s aware of the valid concern many American whites have about white disenfranchisement.

    Indeed, such a policy would be obviously self-refuting.
     
    Exactly. Jews are not immune from self-destructive behavior. Goldberg’s public cheerleading for the dilution of the white electorate is self-refuting, given that her goals are seen as age-old ‘stereotypical Jewish behavior’ by those who are attuned to pattern recognition and have at least a rudimentary knowledge of history.

    She in turn is almost certainly aware of this view of her tribe, but likely thinks the anti-white demographic tide is on her side, and thus is exercising a bit of heady chutzpah. But that kind of chutzpah has indeed gotten millions of people “burned” in the past, and will likely again in the future, given historical patterns of cause and effect.

    A colleague of hers at the NYT, deputy Washington editor Jonathan Weisman, vocalized awareness of White Nationalist fears of genocide against whites in the context of Bowers’s motivations, and he states that the erosion of borders and also (white) national identities is beneficial to Jews (the tweet excerpt begins at 17:45 in the linked NYT podcast):

    https://twitter.com/BorzoiBoskovic/status/1059192442560438272

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/30/podcasts/the-daily/american-anti-semitism-shooting-synagogue.html

    Weisman (spoken emphasis is his):

    But what's really tricky about this conversation, and hard to grapple with, is that Jews in America have done the things, by welcoming outsiders, that they're being accused of doing by these white nationalists. (...)

    When borders are blurred, when distinctions actually are diminished, Jews tend to flourish. But when the drawbridge is raised, when borders are more clearly defined (…) those are bad times for Jews.
     
    To conclude my comment:

    Goldberg is no different in her goal than Bowers: Creating the conditions for genocide. She may not advocate it directly—but she advocates for conditions that will allow it to happen (at its core, it’s a numbers game). The main distinction between the two—tactics wise—is Bowers’s present-day willingness to commit/advocate violence to further his aims.

    Goldberg’s following article flirts with finding the idea of the left gearing up for potential violence intriguing:

    As a squishy liberal, I generally find the idea of adding more guns to our febrile politics frightening and dangerous. But sometimes a small desperate part of me thinks that if our country is going to be awash in firearms, maybe it behooves the left to learn how to use them. If nothing else, an armed left might once again create a bipartisan impetus for gun control.
     
    P.S., Here’s Goldberg (starting at 9:00) lumping the US “Christian Right” with White Nationalism—which she calls “Christian Nationalism.” That’s a lot of white Americans she wants to disenfranchise—far more than only self-identified “white nationalists”:

    … you still have this, you know, 35% disproportionately white conservative Evangelicals who are loyal to this president …

    I think [Trump’s] movement and the Christian Right have more in common than it might immediately be clear—and the beginning of that lies with race …
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlo0u6sJtyM&t=9m04s

    I asked:

    Please explain how Goldberg’s plan to fix elections by bringing in voters is akin to purposefully murdering milllions of people?

    Your reply seems to be that one has the signficant possibility of leading to the other so they are the same.

    1. That isn’t logical at all. Imagine if logic did work this way!

    2. Goldberg obviously disagrees as to the likelihood.

    3. So do the vast majority of Americans.

    4. At best, you can argue that it is an unintended consequence that practically nobody recognises and therefore Goldberg is guilty of being only averagely perpispacious.

    5. Bowers went and murdered people.

    6. 4 is less bad than 5.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Thank you for replying.

    Your reply seems to be that one has the significant possibility of leading to the other so they are the same.
     
    That is a fair summation.

    1. That isn’t logical at all. Imagine if logic did work this way!
     
    Since we can’t see the future, It’s akin to the Schrödinger’s cat paradox. Whites are the cat being put into the box. The party putting the cat in the box may not primarily intend for the cat to die, but if one’s intent is not to kill the cat, one doesn’t put the cat in the box. We can safely assume that Goldberg is aware that whites are endangered by the outcomes she cheers for, and therefore at the very least doesn’t care what happens to whites.

    For aware whites (be they WNs or not), the situation is as dire as being killed outright if it is not reversed in time: The metaphorical cat senses the danger, attacks the scientist, and escapes before being sealed in the box.

    2. Goldberg obviously disagrees as to the likelihood.
     
    We can’t assume that from anything she wrote in the article, and it’s ultimately irrelevant, given my example above. What we can do is ask if her stated advocacy is dangerous to whites (or to Jews and others, given the possibility for blowback), and if so, to what extent is that danger?

    3. So do the vast majority of Americans.
     
    That may be so, but that doesn’t mean the danger isn’t real. A significant minority of Americans believe it to be a possibility. Because it is.

    4. At best, you can argue that it is an unintended consequence …
     
    See my answer to #1.

    that practically nobody recognises
     
    See my answer to #3.

    … and therefore Goldberg is guilty of being only averagely perspicuous.
     
    See my answer to #2.

    5. Bowers went and murdered people.
     
    True.

    6. 4 is less bad than 5.
     
    #4 is a redundant summation of your previous points, which I also refuted in whole or in part.

    Conclusion:

    Goldberg is cheerleading for the conditions of white genocide, without naming it as such. Bowers reacted against the continuing ratcheting of those recognized conditions by committing terrorism against a soft target that had major symbolic significance—while also stating why he did what he did. His complaints are logical—see my earlier cited NYT Michael Barbaro quote:

    “But what’s really tricky about this conversation, and hard to grapple with, is that Jews in America have done the things, by welcoming outsiders, that they’re being accused of doing by these white nationalists.”
     
    Bowers’s means were murderous and criminal, but were in reaction to people like Goldberg and her anti-white advocacy. She and her like-minded ilk are more guilty than him for the Pittsburgh massacre. So it’s useless for you to come here on iSteve and write ‘jeez guys she’s not calling for genocide’. She actually is, whether she realizes it or not. You are (playing?) a Pollyanna (who is pretending Goldberg isn’t).

    Given her expressed demographic wishes—and the vocalized awareness of a growing amount of whites to the danger—“Someone usually dies.” It’s simple physics.
  237. @William Badwhite
    Maybe if they were in the actual Navy or the Marine Corps, rather than in Abey's Navy, they'd have heard it.

    Maybe if they were in the actual Navy or the Marine Corps, rather than in Abey’s Navy, they’d have heard it.

    The Coast Guard may be the safest service in wartime, but they are the most dangerous in peace. I met some of the guys who went down with this cutter:

    U.S. Coast Guard Remembers Lives Lost in ‘Blackthorn’ Collision, Its Worst-Ever Peacetime Disaster

    Weather can be as deadly as any enemy, too. A storm brought down my close relative’s chopper in Vietnam.

  238. @Tyrion 2
    I asked:

    Please explain how Goldberg’s plan to fix elections by bringing in voters is akin to purposefully murdering milllions of people?

    Your reply seems to be that one has the signficant possibility of leading to the other so they are the same.

    1. That isn't logical at all. Imagine if logic did work this way!

    2. Goldberg obviously disagrees as to the likelihood.

    3. So do the vast majority of Americans.

    4. At best, you can argue that it is an unintended consequence that practically nobody recognises and therefore Goldberg is guilty of being only averagely perpispacious.

    5. Bowers went and murdered people.

    6. 4 is less bad than 5.

    Thank you for replying.

    Your reply seems to be that one has the significant possibility of leading to the other so they are the same.

    That is a fair summation.

    1. That isn’t logical at all. Imagine if logic did work this way!

    Since we can’t see the future, It’s akin to the Schrödinger’s cat paradox. Whites are the cat being put into the box. The party putting the cat in the box may not primarily intend for the cat to die, but if one’s intent is not to kill the cat, one doesn’t put the cat in the box. We can safely assume that Goldberg is aware that whites are endangered by the outcomes she cheers for, and therefore at the very least doesn’t care what happens to whites.

    For aware whites (be they WNs or not), the situation is as dire as being killed outright if it is not reversed in time: The metaphorical cat senses the danger, attacks the scientist, and escapes before being sealed in the box.

    2. Goldberg obviously disagrees as to the likelihood.

    We can’t assume that from anything she wrote in the article, and it’s ultimately irrelevant, given my example above. What we can do is ask if her stated advocacy is dangerous to whites (or to Jews and others, given the possibility for blowback), and if so, to what extent is that danger?

    3. So do the vast majority of Americans.

    That may be so, but that doesn’t mean the danger isn’t real. A significant minority of Americans believe it to be a possibility. Because it is.

    4. At best, you can argue that it is an unintended consequence …

    See my answer to #1.

    that practically nobody recognises

    See my answer to #3.

    … and therefore Goldberg is guilty of being only averagely perspicuous.

    See my answer to #2.

    5. Bowers went and murdered people.

    True.

    6. 4 is less bad than 5.

    #4 is a redundant summation of your previous points, which I also refuted in whole or in part.

    Conclusion:

    Goldberg is cheerleading for the conditions of white genocide, without naming it as such. Bowers reacted against the continuing ratcheting of those recognized conditions by committing terrorism against a soft target that had major symbolic significance—while also stating why he did what he did. His complaints are logical—see my earlier cited NYT Michael Barbaro quote:

    “But what’s really tricky about this conversation, and hard to grapple with, is that Jews in America have done the things, by welcoming outsiders, that they’re being accused of doing by these white nationalists.”

    Bowers’s means were murderous and criminal, but were in reaction to people like Goldberg and her anti-white advocacy. She and her like-minded ilk are more guilty than him for the Pittsburgh massacre. So it’s useless for you to come here on iSteve and write ‘jeez guys she’s not calling for genocide’. She actually is, whether she realizes it or not. You are (playing?) a Pollyanna (who is pretending Goldberg isn’t).

    Given her expressed demographic wishes—and the vocalized awareness of a growing amount of whites to the danger—“Someone usually dies.” It’s simple physics.

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