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With the 25 anniversary of the sitcom Friends, many are resurrecting the old question “How can they afford that?” But here’s a more puzzling story from the Los Angeles Times:

Married Olympians drop $6.1 million on Bel-Air mansion

By JACK FLEMMING STAFF WRITER
SEP. 11, 2019 1:24 PM

Husband-and-wife Hungarian curlers György Nagy and Ildikó Szekeres have made their way to the States, shelling out $6.1 million for a Mediterranean-style mansion in Bel-Air….

They must be, I presume, the greatest curlers of all time, right?

Together, Nagy and Szekeres have competed in five World Mixed Doubles Curling Championships, winning a silver medal in 2009.

 
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  1. Per your 9/5 post, they’re probably Jewish. So no worries.

  2. J.Ross says:

    Champion curlers, who could live anywhere, and choose LA.
    A drama teacher who becomes a drama queen.
    It’s like Stanley Cup winners — from Florida.
    And (who would’ve thought?), it figures!

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  3. 1661er says:

    I think it’s the other way around. They can do their low-profile sports in the Olympics because they have that kind of money to began with. Reminds me of this guy:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Hubertus_of_Hohenlohe-Langenburg

    A German prince with Mexican citizenship, and most importantly, an Agnelli heiress grandmother. As long he doesn’t require support from national Olympic committees, it was easier for him to start the Mexican ski federation and got himself qualified to represent Mexico in Winter Olympics, than compete with others in other countries he held citizenship in.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Bill Jones
  4. Kronos says:

    Well I found out how the afforded those apartments from the show.

    “When the 10th and final season of Friends aired in 2003, its six stars were paid an estimated $1m per episode by NBC and Warner Bros. It was a sweet $22m payday for Jennifer Aniston and co, and the investment paid off – episodes of the show continue to run regularly around the world some 15 years on.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  5. @Kronos

    I thought Aniston wound up with $1.5 million per episode while the other 5 each got $1 million per episode (22 episodes per year). That would be $143 million per year for the 6 lead actors.

    NBC offered Jerry Seinfeld $5 million per episode for a 10th season on top of the $1 million per episode to the other 3 actors, for a total of $176 million for a 10th season of Seinfeld, but he he turned down $110 million.

    You can see why networks shifted over rapidly around 2000 to reality TV, singing shows, and quiz shows, typically with a Dr. Evil-like $1 million grand prize.

  6. J.Ross says:
    @1661er

    A German prince with Mexican citizenship

    There is a wierd and deep German connection to Mexico. The hottest chick on the Shield was a Mexican descended from a certain Mister Schönhausen (später Herzog von Lauenberg). Desiring to unite the German speaking peoples made her all the hotter.

  7. unit472 says:

    $6,1 million is more house than I can afford but how much Bel-Air “Mansion” does it buy?

    • Replies: @Lot
  8. @Steve Sailer

    Based on what I have read, the friends went Most Favored Nation starting in season 3.

    They also negotiated themselves points from the syndication deals, which means none of them will ever have to work again.

    Siskel and Ebert also went Most Favored Nation to reduce acrimony and to prevent their syndicators from playing them off of one another.

    Seinfeld was a bit of a different case since it was his show. He talks about that in the book Seinfeldia. It was a unique situation since the 4 of them were friends and coworkers, but at the same time he was the boss.

  9. …typically with a Dr. Evil-like $1 million grand prize.

    Or better yet, a spouse.

    Aren’t almost all “reality shows” licensed adaptations of British.œuvres? Just like the sitcoms of the 70s– which were also relatively cheap to make.

  10. snorlax says:
    @Steve Sailer

    The 90s were probably Peak Sitcom/Peak Humor. Previous decades’ prudishness was mostly gone, future decades’ political correctness was mostly still to come, and TV budgets were at their highest.

    And, pre-9/11, we didn’t yet have that sense of impending doom hanging over everything.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    , @LondonBob
  11. @Steve Sailer

    You can see why networks shifted over rapidly around 2000 to reality TV, singing shows, and quiz shows, typically with a Dr. Evil-like $1 million grand prize.

    The $1 million grand prize for America’s Got Talent is paid out in a 40-year long annuity — $25,000 per year for 40 years.

    • Replies: @jb
  12. i’m under the impression Hungary pays big money for olympic medals. i think for gold medals they give you a pension for life, not an exaggeration. though i don’t know the exact details. what sports, how much money, et cetera.

    there have been swimmers from Hungary gunning for Michael Phelps for 15 years due to this though, i know that for sure. some 19 year old guy from Hungary just broke his 200 meter butterfly record. so for them, it’s a major sport due to the money the state will pay.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awCgeVVQ5Ls

  13. In Friends, the answer was “Rent Control”. The Hungarian couple? Maybe curlers have the best PESs, and sell them to other Olympians?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  14. The Van Winklevoss twins of Facebook lore co-founded their high school’s crew program when they were juniors, rowed varsity for Harvard, were 6th in the 2008 Beijing Olympics, then rowed for Oxford while completing their MBAs. In 2012, they purchased a Los Angeles mansion for $18 million.

  15. Kronos says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I remember watching about Aniston‘s million+ dollar contract many years ago (maybe on MTV2?)

    Is it still the Guinness Book of World Record placeholder for most paid TV actress/actor?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Triumph104
  16. RobUK says:
    @J.Ross

    The First Officer in Das Boot was also a German from a family settled in Mexico.

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
  17. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @snorlax

    PC started in the early ‘90s. It was an occasional Seinfeld topic, e.g.,

    • Replies: @jim jones
    , @JMcG
  18. @J.Ross

    Champion curlers, who could live anywhere, and choose LA.
    A drama teacher who becomes a drama queen.

    Dude, you have just pitched a colossal winner of a reality-show treatment.

    Get yourself to LA forthwith and cash in your share of the Dream!

    PS: Maybe an advance is how the curlers did it?

  19. George says:

    “How Can They Afford That?”

    Nagy, a financier, and Szekeres, a teacher, made rapid progress in the sport and represented Hungary for the first time in 2003.

    https://www.odt.co.nz/sport/other-sport/curling-curlers-find-ideal-time-summer-holidays

    Apparently they are on the books rich. But why do they want to leave ethnically homogenous Hungary for the squalor of L.A.? Maybe you can see now why multiculturalism works.

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @Paleo Liberal
  20. Maybe Viktor Orban is pre-positioning assets to influence the 2020 US Presidential Elections: Hungarian “Nazi” Collusion!

  21. George says:

    Off topic: World Socialist Web Site, the internet home of the (Trotskyite) International Committee of the Fourth International, take umbrage at the NY Times blaming poor Whites for antebellum slavery.

    The New York Times’ 1619 Project: A racialist falsification of American and world history

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/09/03/proj-a03.html

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  22. George says:

    Westbay has a principle named György Nagy and is a proud supporter of Hungarian sports including the HUNGARIAN CURLING FEDERATION

    http://www.westbay.hu/en/rolunk/

    As a financial investor, our group performs non-industry specific acquisitions. In most cases, our investments are made by two asset management companies, Westbay Kft. and HO-ME 2000 Vagyonkezelő Kft., 100% within György Nagy’s interest.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  23. @Kronos

    The 3 supporting actors on Seinfeld wound up getting a million dollars per episode.

    I think Sofia Vergara comes close to a million dollars per episode these days. The Big Bang Theory people are mostly around a million per with Jim Parsons (Sheldon) at 1.2 mil:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/natalierobehmed/2018/10/24/highest-paid-tv-actors-2018-jim-parsons-leads-with-26-5-million/#454037daab2b

    But in general, TV actors salaries have fallen in inflation adjusted terms from the glory days of c. 2000. There are just so many shows on the air now that ratings for all but Big Bang Theory / Modern Family are much lower than in the Seinfeld / Friends days.

    On the other hand, it’s not hard to get work these days if you are a name actor. About 16 years ago I played golf at Rustic Canyon and got assigned to a foursome with Judd Hirsch of “Taxi” and “Ordinary People” fame. I assumed his career was winding down at the time, but last I checked he appears to have been in more TV shows lately than in the previous century.

    So being a TV or movie actor has lately been the opposite of the Winner Take All economics of most everything else.

    Few movie stars these days come close to the $50 million or more Jack Nicholson made in 1989 playing The Joker in Tim Burton’s “Batman.” Maybe The Rock and Robert Downey Jr. The movie business has grown a lot with China, Russia, Mexico etc. all being big these days, so English speaking movie stars can make giant amounts of money. On the other hand, my impression is that top movie stars, like Tom Cruise, work harder than in the past in the sense that, say, Cruise is more or less the CEO of Tom Cruise Movies.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @Bill Jones
  24. George says:

    No mention of curling and György Nagy seems to be a commonish sort of name.

    The majority of MET had been owned by Hungarian oil and gas company MOL, with 40%, while investors György Nagy

    https://bbj.hu/energy-environment/management-buys-out-met-group-majority-share-_150007

    I tried to figure out exactly what kind of name Nagy was, apparently it is a very ordinary name not associated with any religion. Most notable people named Nagy are athletes.

    Nagy (Hungarian: [ˈnɒɟ]) is the most common Hungarian surname, meaning “great”.

    The surname is also common among ethnic Hungarians in the northern Serbian province of Vojvodina, where it is spelled Nađ (Serbian Cyrillic: Нађ) and may be transliterated in other languages as Nadj.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagy

  25. Lot says:
    @unit472

    6.1 million gets you a very nice place in Bel Air. Here’s one for sale at a mere 5.9

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    , @Jack D
    , @slumber_j
  26. Kronos says:
    @Steve Sailer

    “The movie business has grown a lot with China, Russia, Mexico etc. all being big these days, so English speaking movie stars can make giant amounts of money.”

    I get a laugh that Bobby Lee Jones has a bit of popularity in Japan. That static hound dog frown is a American icon over there.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @J.Ross
  27. @Steve Sailer

    … a Dr. Evil-like $1 million grand prize.

    On the UFC reality show The Ultimate Fighter, the grand prize was always “a six-figure contract with the UFC”.

  28. eah says:

    Actually it’s not an uninteresting question: obviously the assumption/suspicion is they are acting as a front for the real buyer — an even more interesting question is under what conditions can foreign nationals (which I assume they are) buy real property (residential, commercial) in the US; what is the applicable law — ?

    They compete on the World Curling Tour –> link — looking around there, tournament purses are modest to say the least — a top player can make some money, eg it appears Rachel Homan (CA) made 180k in the 2018-2019 season, but I think that is for her entire team of 4 — I couldn’t find either of these two, but I didn’t look that hard.

    Considering travel, hotels, etc, generally it seems you cannot really make a living at curling without sponsors and/or an employer who pays you while you are away curling.

    ?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  29. @eah

    A year or two after winning 2002 Olympic gold, the ‘skip’ of the UK women’s team was on benefits.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2010/feb/08/curling-women-olympics-gold-fame

    On the other hand for some countries it’s big money. Is Hungary such a country?

    “We played Canada in the semis and they were so gutted we beat them,” says Martin. “They said afterwards we’d cost them millions. To them, money was a huge part of winning but to us it was never, ever a thought.” In Canada, teams play for thousands of dollars, says Martin. “We play and win a lasagne dish.” Knox would rather have her gold medal than lots of money though. “There are still people who say we should’ve made fortunes out of it but it just never came about,” she says. “We knew the hype about it wouldn’t last that long.”

    • Replies: @eah
  30. jim jones says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    There are no “Native Americans”, they are invaders from Siberia,

  31. Hank Yobo says:
    @J.Ross

    There is a wierd and deep German connection to Mexico.

    Zimmermann Telegram?

  32. @Grahamsno(G64)

    Is this a huge win for Trump?

    It’s a huge win for immigration-policy sanity, but we need many, many more of them.

  33. @RobUK

    He was one of the more interesting characters in Das Boot. From Mexico City, but believed it was his patriotic duty to fight for Germany. Also the most ideological character – the only crew member who was explicitly pro-Nazi – and was widely disdained by his fellow crew members. Even though nominally 2nd-in-command, the Captain preferred to confide in the boat’s Chief Emgimeer rather than him.

  34. @Kronos

    https://www.eonline.com/news/838223/highest-paid-tv-casts-of-all-time-by-the-numbers

    4. Tim Allen: Starring as a modern day Mr. Fix It, Allen earned about $1.25 million per episode for Home Improvement.
    3. Kelsey Grammer: Everyone’s favorite TV psychiatrist earned $1.6 million per episode of Frasier.
    2. Ray Romano: The comedian-turned-actor’s sitcom Everybody Loves Raymond paid him $1.8 million per episode.
    1. Charlie Sheen: The Two and a Half Men alum was the highest paid actor in television during his reign. He earned $1.8 million per episode in the show’s final season and then took home $2 million per episode of Anger Management after it passed its 100th episode.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  35. eah says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    big money

    I doubt that — not in Hungary, anyway, which barely makes the world top 50 in GDP/capita, and per capita income is (only) approx 2/3 of the EU average (most people only visit Budapest, which is misleading).

    Look at the player I mentioned: Rachel Homan (CA), who seems to be one of the more successful ones — her yearly income from competitive curling is very modest when you remember the numbers listed must be split among a team of 4 and cover costs — on her Instagram you can find a foto of her standing in front of what I assume is her house, which looks quite modest.

    So if curlers do make money, it must be from eg sponsors and social media (many top athletes make more that way than via prize money) — but it’s very hard to believe the “millions” claim.

  36. @George

    Perhaps these curlers have real day jobs on the side? It doesn’t sound impossible for people who are really good at a minor sport to make a lot of money at business, although it is rare these days.

    Roger Staubach, who was extremely good at a major sport in the 1970s, sold his real estate development firm in 2007 for 100 million.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  37. LondonBob says:
    @snorlax

    Friends was very PC for its day, the gay stuff was very jarring. It is noticeable how Jewish it was too, even more so now I have watched a few episodes recently.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  38. LondonBob says:
    @Triumph104

    I read that the actors who played Marty Krane and Daphne were the two highest paid English actors, film or TV, at the height of Frasier’s popularity.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  39. LondonBob says:
    @Lot

    Trump has done great job of popping the world real estate bubble with his Chinese tariffs and removal of that deduction thingy that NY and California exploited, ironic really,

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @nymom
  40. All over Florida you see people fresh in from the poor and corrupt “state” of Puerto Rico.
    Living in nice big houses.
    Driving new cars or ones new enough to still cost a pretty penny.
    And then they vote democrat.

  41. JMcG says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    I remember people using the term “Politically Correct”. Complete with little air quotation marks in the mid-eighties when I started working.
    There were still a lot of people banging on the fire stairs though.

    • Agree: slumber_j
  42. Hungary is an incredibly corrupt country. Friends of Orban do well, everyone else does not, or emigrates. Most likely Nagy and Szekeres got cut in on a few of Orban’s insider deals, and are now spiriting the cash out of the country. The odd thing about “nationalists” like Orban, Erdogan and Putin is how eager they are to move their assets abroad.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    , @J.Ross
  43. @J.Ross

    Mexican beer is made from German recipes, with worse water.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  44. @LondonBob

    Friends is now getting pushback for being insensitive to World War T. Remember that Chandler’s dad was played by Kathleen Turner, with it being left unsaid if he was a man in drag or a full-blown tranny.

  45. LondonBob says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    I doubt Erdogan or Putin keep much abroad. Much better for such countries for their predatory elite to keep the money there than spirit it abroad. Stationery bandits rather than the roving bandits like you see in the Ukraine, something Dugin commented on I think.

    • Replies: @snorlax
  46. I first got into curling at Vancouver 2010. The star of the show was Madeleine Dupont of Denmark, who posed topless in order to promote the sport.

  47. @LondonBob

    Good point generally, but the LA housing bubble hasn’t popped.

  48. jb says:
    @Triumph104

    The $1 million grand prize for America’s Got Talent is paid out in a 40-year long annuity — $25,000 per year for 40 years.

    Seriously? Assuming let’s say a 3% annual growth rate that would make it worth roughly $600,ooo as an annuity. Cheap!

    BTW, did you ever wonder why the big lotteries offer a 25 year payment option for the grand prize, even though pretty much nobody ever wants it? Because it lets them inflate the stated value of the prize exactly like as America’s Got Talent is doing. Just by adding that option a 70 million dollar prize magically becomes worth 100 million dollars, without the state having to pay a cent. (Not that I couldn’t live on that of course!)

  49. @1661er

    So that explains how Eddie the Eagle did it!

    A by-blow of a Royal Rake.

  50. Mike1 says:

    You get there is a difference between a sports pursuit and how much money you have right?! It is a weird American blind spot that believes inherited wealth barely exists and that the only wealthy business owners run tech companies that regular people can name.

  51. I am a curler. Historically, there was a lot of crossover between curling and golf. A lot of curlers were golfers who picked up curling when winter made it impossible to play golf. Many of the early curling ice makers were golf groundskeepers who needed something to do during the winter months. This meant a lot of the early curling clubs were offshoots of a golf club, and many are still around. So the demographics of curlers were largely the same as for golfers. If golf had a reputation of being a sport for the upper class, then the same should be said for curling.

    You don’t find many blue collar curlers around, though this is beginning to change. There is a lot of disposable income with this crowd.

    As for the World Curling Tour-there isn’t enough money available to make it a full time concern. With the exception of Canada, the major national curling federations subsidize their elite teams and try to create “super teams.” Canada provides a stipend if you do well in their national championships, but they don’t pick and choose the teams. You have to earn the stipend. If you don’t receive a subsidy, or the subsidy isn’t big enough, the curlers work a normal job on the side. It is common on the Tour, especially among Canadian and American teams, to see curlers shuffle in and out of teams for a specific bonspiel (bonspiel is the curling term for tournament) because a team’s regular has to miss out because of work obligations.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
  52. @Steve Sailer

    Wasn’t the disease riddled Charlie Sheen picking up a Buck an Episode at 2 1/2 men?

    Wasn’t Brando paid loads ‘0 Lire for 15 seconds or so in Godfather IIIIII or whatever?

    Ah: I see it was beaucoup de bucks in Superman that helped pay for Godfather.

  53. @Kronos

    I get a laugh that Bobby Lee Jones has a bit of popularity in Japan. That static hound dog frown is a American icon over there.

    Tommy, not Bobby

    • Replies: @Kronos
  54. Jack D says:

    The “Mediterranean-style mansion” is done up in “men-with-gold-chains” style. You can see “Mediterranean” mansions like this anywhere from Slovenia to Mongolia (but never on the actual Mediterranean).

    Covering half an acre, the grand estate …

    This is a contradiction in terms that only makes sense in a place like Bel-Air. Where I live (and in most of America) a “grand estate” is not found on a half acre of land. Half an acre is where you put a split level tract house. If you build a “grand” house on half an acre, it looks ridiculously overscaled for the lot and you end up with very little yard because the footprint of the house is covering most of it. Anything on a 1/2 acre lot does not qualify for the “grand estate” title (except in realtor speak) no matter how fancy the house is. Biltmore in NC used to cover 125,000 acres and they still have 8,000. Now THAT’s a grand estate.

  55. J.Ross says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    They’re diversifying now (eg, Hitachino Nest Ale) but the established East Asian brews were all the same because of a meeting of rigorous instruction-following and a single touring German brewmaster group.

    • Replies: @1661er
  56. J.Ross says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Orban et al are not angels but if the activist-paying media-scripting human-smuggling globohomo cathedral thinks it can criticize anybody else, especially leaders who are sacrificing in order to prioritize their people, on grounds of letting money rule, I do not see a lot of people getting convinced. What are all those “refugees” for if not corruption which would unseat Putin? The Bank’s plan in Ukraine the last time they took it over was just to hand out cash, and they failed because they ran out. Furthermore, Orban et al are trying to strengthen a human society organized around principles, and the alternative is the total abandonment of every principle except profit. Globohomo is corruption as a way of life and its alibi is that good peoole wouldn’t survive an IRS audit.

  57. J.Ross says:
    @LondonBob

    Frasier was never as good as Cheers but it was very well put together and stayed in its wheelhouse: it enjoys a wierd nostalgia cult even though I don’t think it was very representative of its time, the way that other shows are indelibly connected to a period.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  58. J.Ross says:
    @Kronos

    They’re still allowed to have masculinity and it’s the most jarring thing about their advertising. Over here a white man in an ad exists to be overshadowed, corrected, or even knocked to the pavement by a black man or a woman.

  59. The real money in curling must be in the endorsements. For all we know, these two are all over Hungarian TV touting curling brooms but also related items like sponge mops and vacuum cleaners.

  60. @Jack D

    Slovenia is on the Mediterranean. For shame!

    • Replies: @Jack D
  61. bomag says:
    @George

    …why do they want to leave ethnically homogenous Hungary for the squalor of L.A.? Maybe you can see now why multiculturalism works.

    I can’t tell if this is sarcasm.

    If not, you might want to brush up on the phenomenon of survivor bias.

    • Replies: @George
  62. nymom says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    Yes it is a win but, of course, will be undermined at the city and state level…

    It’s a common sense policy which also fits in with the European Union and other Western country’s such as Australia criteria for asylum stating that refugees must apply in the first safe country they enter…not pass through 6 or 7 other countries until you hit the jackpot and enter a western country with great public benefits…

    Trump has had a number of wins like this but, of course, each one is immediately undermined by those trying to destroy Western Civilization…

    Same old, same old.

  63. nymom says:
    @LondonBob

    Exactly and removal of that ‘deduction thingy’ actually hurt Trump financially…but it was necessary to do as all of these blue states were using it to force the entire US to finance their spending and budget deficits…

    Now, if taxpayers wish to continue electing these big spenders like Cuomo, Schumer and DeBlasio they will have to pay the full cost themselves, not look to the Federal government to finance their own choices.

  64. Jack D says:
    @International Jew

    No it ain’t. It has a tiny little strip of coast on the Gulf of Trieste in the Adriatic. It’s on the Mediterranean in the same way that New Orleans is on the Atlantic – not at all.

    • Replies: @International Jew
  65. ricpic says:

    For us unhip types what does Most Favored Nation mean in showbiz?

  66. Jack D says:
    @Lot

    Where’s the yard? Where do your kids play? Where does your dog run around? How do you step outside for a smoke without falling to your death? I don’t think there’s 5 square feet of level ground on that lot and it’s all probably going to slide off that hill in the next landslide or earthquake. No thanks.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @J.Ross
  67. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    At over 8,000 sq. ft., it is a mansion though, and actually a lot bigger than many traditional estate homes.

    “Estate” refers to land on a property that was used as a working form, plantation, woodlands, hunting grounds, etc. Traditionally, the houses on estates, including what were regarded as grand mansions at the time, were quite modest by contemporary standards, often smaller than large suburban homes and McMansions today.

    This Bel-Air mansion has slightly more square footage than Andrew Jackson’s Hermitage and Robert E. Lee’s Arlington House.

    It’s in the late Victorian/Edwardian era/Gilded Age that you see a lot of these gigantic monstrosities like the Biltmore being built, which were often overscaled versions of smaller designs found in Europe. In Britain, they were often built as additions on top of an older, modest country house or the old house was just torn down altogether. And while they were situated on lots of acreage, they were ceasing to be genuine estates as they ceased being profitable working farms and plantation, and soon ceased being economically viable altogether.

  68. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Remember that LA is basically a giant city, just sprawled out horizontally rather than vertically. So yard space is limited, even for the wealthy. Just like the wealthy in Manhattan can get lots of square footage in a brownstone or penthouse, but still won’t get yard space. They’re trading urban amenities for yard space, and the yard space they have is primarily in the form of public parks in the mountains and beaches.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    , @Lot
    , @Old Palo Altan
  69. Anonymous[706] • Disclaimer says:

    This is David Brooks’s SIDS in action, a cause of much misery/comedy in the present day. You yourself made a similar point once, that successful businessmen are secure about their business skill (Conquest’s Law) but insecure about possibly being philistines so they have an odd habit of deferring to charismatic-egomaniacal John The Baptist-style artistes, who may well be insane, typically in the most preposterous circumstances; basically they check their common sense at the door.

    There isn’t a ton of money, or cultural significance, in curling per se– but then that one day no one remembers, we all agreed that curling is a certified Thing; it’s Olympics(tm); therefore, it only stands to reason that being the BEST curlers must be, mutatis mutandis, really prestigious; and there MUST be various ways to monetize that–right? All the cool people understand this innately.

  70. snorlax says:
    @Anonymous

    Remember that LA is basically a giant city

    Whoa, stop blowing my mind there cowboy.

  71. @George

    SoCal is a wonderful place to be if you are rich.

    Big city, lots to do, ideal climate all year round.

    Nice gated houses away from the riff-raff.

    Beaches if you want to sun tan (hard to swim in the cold water).

    Shopping on Rodeo Drive.

    If you can afford it, why not?

    There are rumors the Duke and Duchess of Sussex are planning to buy a little place in Malibu to escape the cold British winters.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  72. Art Deco says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Britain doesn’t have cold winters, the Duke’s hardly lived anywhere else (bar his tours in Afghanistan), and the Duchess lived in Toronto at one time. What Britain has is rain. About 1 day in 3.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  73. Art Deco says:
    @Redneck farmer

    I think rent control benefited long-time tenants, not 20-somethings. One set of regulations was imposed in 1947 and another in 1969.

    • Replies: @Anon
  74. @Steve Sailer

    In the old days, sports stars didn’t make much money.

    I grew up in NW Arkansas. There was a lawyer in my neighborhood who would, for free, negotiate the contract of any U of Arkansas athlete who went pro. He would also advise them as to how to invest their signing bonus.

    That lawyer used to live in the nicest house in town.

    Anyway, one time he advised a football player to invest his signing bonus in some land that was in between two towns, and on a major highway. That land was later bought up to build a shopping mall. The player made far more money off of that one real estate transaction than he did off of playing in the NFL.

    The now former NFL player used the money from the land deal to start a real estate company. Eventually, NW Arkansas went through an enormous housing boom. The former NFL player, who never did much as a pro, got rather rich from his real estate company. He now lives in the house he bought from his former lawyer.,

    Not rich enough to be in the top 20 all time richest NFL players (it takes $55 million net worth for that).

    Roger Staubach’s net worth is estimated at $600 million. That puts him at #1, ahead of Al Davis at $500 million. John Madden is high on the list as well, at $200 million, but I suspect he got more of his money from his game than he did from football.

    There is a flip side of it. For example, Bret Favre of the Packers has an estimated $100+ million net worth, but is losing his memory from too many concussions. Would you rather be filthy rich or have a working brain? (I fear Tom Brady has already made the wrong choice).

  75. snorlax says:
    @LondonBob

    Russian oligarchs keep their funds in London, Cyprus, Latvia and various tax havens.

  76. George says:
    @bomag

    “I can’t tell if this is sarcasm.”

    My point is there is a reason LA has chosen the multicultural path, and part of it is the state pension scheme needs to tax people like the Nagys to keep the whole thing solvent. Legacy Americans are not going to be able to pay for all the liabilities like teacher’s pensions.

    $6M would probably buy spectacular real estate in Hungary, but you can only eat so much Goulash before it gets boring, even spectacular Goulash. There might also be a kind of network effect where rich people congregate together so they can share services. What the Nagys might not get is Cali is on a path towards bankruptcy, although Ill, NJ or maybe even KY seem to be getting there first.

    Sources for pension news:
    http://www.pensiontsunami.com/
    https://burypensions.wordpress.com/

    • Replies: @bomag
  77. @Art Deco

    I have personally never seen a cold winter day in England.

    One time the U.K. was having a warm spell, in the 50s while I was there on a business trip. It was about -20 back home. I remember checking out of my hotel; telling the staff what the temperature was like back home; seeing the shocked expressions on their faces.

    When I got home it had warmed up to a balmy -10, but windy and I was dressed for the U.K. The locks on my car froze shut. It took me over half an hour to open my car door. Damn near got frostbite. I have never parked in an outdoor lot for a winter trip since then.

  78. Possumman says:

    Well everyone knows how popular curling is on TV—maybe Swiffer is a sponsor.

  79. slumber_j says:
    @Lot

    I recognize that house: almost at the top of Stone Canyon Rd. My wife and I walked past it a bunch when we’d hike up there for exercise while our family was vacationing in LA last year. From the street it looms preposterously on its lot and is therefore memorable.

  80. LondonBob says:
    @J.Ross

    Frasier is my favourite, it has a lot of gay and Jewish themes too, probably reflecting a lot script writers’ backgrounds.

  81. @George

    Thank you for that link.

    While the article is not perfect, it makes some good points.

    After all, there were non-African slaves in the New World before there were New World African slaves, and there were African slaves in the Old World long before there were whites in the New World. There was slavery all over the world, including the Americas, before the first white man came to America.

    We know for an absolute fact the name of the first post 1492 white slave owner in the New World. It was Christopher Columbus, who enslaved the native Taino people of the Bahamas. Columbus was considered by the Spanish to be an unacceptably cruel slave owner. The result of the combination of conquest, disease and slavery was to drive the Taino people of the Bahamas into extinction. African slaves were less likely to die, so they were brought in to replace the dead Indians.

    For a while, the Bahamas was pretty much empty except for pirates, who considered the place paradise, and those civilian shop keepers and the like who supported the pirate life. Then the Brits came to clean up the place.

    Many of the blacks in the Bahamas are descendants of slaves brought from the 13 Colonies by Loyalists who fled the wrath of the Patriots. Not all, but many.

  82. Lot says:
    @Anonymous

    There actually are some near-urban areas of LA with large lots, on canyon streets and the Hollywood Hills. Some are even fairly flat, though may be surrounded by steep grades.

    Bel Air isn’t for everybody, but if you want a quiet upscale suburban feel, not a rural country estate, Bel Air lets you have that. You get 7k square feet of house on about .75 to 1 acres, and have neighbors nearby in the same income bracket.

    The Reagans know what I mean: they moved a few years after retirement from their ranch about 90 minutes into the countryside to a big Bel Air house on a relatively small lot.

    Personally I grew up mostly in a small town later an inner suburb, and that’s imprinted on me as “natural.” A house on hundreds of acres, or an urban condo, is not.

  83. slumber_j says:
    @a tired ohioan

    Although it was founded and continues to be supported by the very rich Childs family, the Norfolk [CT] Curling Club’s membership is now pretty solidly middle- and working-class. But the Club is next-door to the Norfolk Country Club. (Both curling and golf are originally Scottish pursuits, of course.)

    https://norfolkcurlingclub.org

  84. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    Jack, for god’s sake it’s LA, why would you let your kids or dogs outside?

  85. @J.Ross

    The hottest chick on The Shield? I’ll take your word for it. I wasn’t able to watch the first episode on dvd long enough to determine whether or not there were any hotties in the cast.

  86. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    If one of them was a “qualifying family member” who succeeded to somebody’s apartment it might just be possible, but, then again, I don’t know very much about the show.

  87. 1661er says:
    @J.Ross

    During the Imperialism/Colonialism era, German set-up its sphere-of-influence in Shandong, China. And being German, they build a brewery with yeast from Germany. After WWI, Japan got German Asian holding as part of its spoil. So there are beers in Japan/Taiwan/China now still being made with that particular yeast strain.

    The one still being made in China is the TsingTao Beer.

  88. bomag says:
    @George

    There might also be a kind of network effect where rich people congregate together so they can share services.

    This. The rich get richer.

    My point is there is a reason LA has chosen the multicultural path, and part of it is the state pension scheme needs to tax people like the Nagys to keep the whole thing solvent.

    ??? I don’t get this; the Nagys of the world are pretty good at avoiding taxes, and multi-culturalism today means invasion by the wretched refuse of the world that eventually chokes you down. One reference had California with the most counties with median incomes below the poverty level.

    $6M would probably buy spectacular real estate in Hungary, but you can only eat so much Goulash before it gets boring, even spectacular Goulash.

    Ouch! But there is travel, and today, most people spend their time indoors in front of a screen, which is a pretty leveling environment as long as the fuel holds out.

  89. @Jack D

    On that criterion, Italy isn’t a Mediterranean country either; its east coast is on the Adriatic, its west coast is on the Tyrrhenian and Ligurian, and its south is on the Ionian sea. (Leaving Mediterranean frontage on just Italy’s islands.)

  90. @Anonymous

    True enough, but my aunt’s place in Bel Air is on four acres and my friend’s place in Holmby is on just over one.

    “Estates” they’re not, but sufficient space for a modicum of privacy.

    Since we’re talking prices here – the first is estimated at $8.3 million by Redfin, and the latter at $6.6. Neither has been on the market in more than fifty years; indeed, the latter was built by the present owners in the early 193os. Unique in LA I’d say.

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