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From The Guardian:

‘Vanquished white male’: Houellebecq’s new novel predicts French discontent

Enfant terrible awarded Légion d’honneur as ‘scathing, visionary’ novel Serotonin is released

Angelique Chrisafis in Paris, @achrisafis

Fri 4 Jan 2019 07.36 EST Last modified on Fri 4 Jan 2019 16.55 EST

He is idolised as France’s biggest literary export, a controversial poet-provocateur who holds up a mirror to the grim truths of contemporary France.

So when Michel Houellebecq’s long-awaited novel, Serotonin, hit French bookstores on Friday morning with a massive print run of 320,000 copies, translations in several countries, and the author for the first time staying silent and refusing any interviews or media promotion, it was proclaimed a national event.

The novel’s release was accompanied by the Légion d’honneur, France’s highest national honour, being bestowed on the 62-year-old enfant terrible for his services to French literature by the president, Emmanuel Macron.

Serotonin, the story of a lovesick agricultural engineer who writes trade reports for the French agriculture ministry and loathes the EU, has been hailed by the French media as scathing and visionary. The novel rails against politicians who “do not fight for the interests of their people but are ready to die to defend free trade”.

Written before the current gilets jaunes anti-government movement began blockading roundabouts and tollbooths across France, it features desperate farmers in Normandy who stage an armed blockade of roads amid police clashes.

The man has a knack.

… Elisabeth Philippe wrote in L’Obs: “That whole aesthetic of the ‘old white male’ is dated, past its sell-by date and clearly no longer brings anything good. ‘What’s the point in trying to save a vanquished old white male?’ the narrator asks. What’s the point, indeed.”

… Houellebecq has often appeared behind and in front of the camera, and has reportedly been filming with the actor Gérard Depardieu, with the two men playing characters at a seaside spa.

Now, there is a real contest to see who is more decrepit looking: Houellebecq or Depardieu?

 
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  1. Hail says: • Website

    Wiki entry empty. Here is all there is so far:

    In the newspaper La Croix, Sabine Aurdrerie wonders “whether [Houellebecq] is a cynical voyeur or a moralist, an opportunist or a contempter” 1 .

    Auto-translation of:

    Critiques négatives
    Dans le journal La Croix, Sabine Aurdrerie se demande « s’il s’avance en voyeur cynique ou en moraliste, en opportuniste ou en contempteur »1.

  2. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    • Replies: @BigDickNick
    , @Flemur
  3. J.Ross says: • Website

    The French are looking not so vanquished lately, and there are delicious rumors that the police Macron is relying upon to shoot a woman in the head, get knocked down by a champion boxer, and stay awake through the Yellow Vest situation are criminally unpaid. There have been demonstrations — by the police union. It’s not a matter of keeping up with inflation: back pay and overtime has simply not been handed over. The Russian Revolution started in earnest when riot control refused to disperse women in a (pre-Communist wartime) breadline. Will French police bite the hand that refuses to feed them?
    In the fifties and sixties through, in places, the nineties, you’d be crazy to say no to a white collar job, increasing your income as much as you can, and marriage: now you’d be crazy to take them. And starting a new business looks like it’s just not who we are.
    Consider SubscribeStar, a Gab-like attempt to compete with the Permitted But Unexplained Tech Monopolies. PayPal, SubscribeStar’s putative competitor, has just killed it by illegally refusing to process payments. Note that PayPal here and in these kinds of stories actually means Visa and MasterCard, neither of which are PBUTM. Just think if we had government regulators concerned with the question of cartels, trusts, and monopolies in this country. SubscribeStar says they’re looking for alternate ways of funding and might come back.

  4. ‘What’s the point in trying to save a vanquished old white male?’

    They’re already asking this in medical wards here in the USA.

    The question is considered rhetorical, for the most part.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @rufus
  5. caused even some of his greatest admirers, such as the critic Nelly Kaprièlian from the magazine Les Inrocks, to concede: “He’s missed the Me Too movement – that’s obvious.”

    LOL.

  6. donut says:

    Hey News Flash John Henry was a white man .

  7. …France’s highest national honor, being bestowed on the 62-year-old infant terrible for his services to French literature by the president, Emmanuel Macron.

    Now there’s an image.

    Houellebecq…has reportedly been filming with the actor Gérard Depardieu, with the two men playing characters at a seaside spa.

    Now there’s an image.

  8. I enjoyed Submission but I still haven’t finished The Elementary Particles/Atomized–too sad!

  9. Daniel H says:

    >>The novel’s release was accompanied by the Légion d’honneur, France’s highest national honour, being bestowed on the 62-year-old enfant terrible

    Today’s enfant terrible, tomorrow’s “I told you so..” eminence grise.

  10. donut says:

    Maybe Frank Fuller had a legitimate complaint against the judgement of the State . If the state can’t or won’t fulfill it’s most basic functions then what ? This US of A has long been a farce .

  11. El Dato says:

    Houellebecq’s worldwide fame came from his deliberately nihilistic novels depicting men trapped in loveless existences, admiring of casual sex. This seventh novel, in which a narrator looks back in detail at past girlfriends in terms of how they dealt with his penis, caused even some of his greatest admirers, such as the critic Nelly Kaprièlian from the magazine Les Inrocks, to concede: “He’s missed the Me Too movement – that’s obvious.”

    Because the world progresses to the tune of Great American Movements, which you shall follow as religiously as the latest hyped HBO serial.

    • Replies: @Jack Highlands
  12. donut says:

    Did I really not post this ?

    My apologies . Yellow one first !

  13. @Reginald Maplethorp

    Same here, I got halfway through those, found that nothing that had happened so far was of the slightest interest to me, and tossed them out. Submission, on the other hand, was very good.

  14. > > the two men playing characters at a seaside spa.

    > Now, there is a real contest to see who is more decrepit looking:
    > Houellebecq or Depardieu?

    They both look fine to me!

  15. Jared Taylor pointed out many years ago that using “male” as a noun is insulting.

    • Replies: @reactionry
    , @Anonymous
  16. Svigor says:

    and the author for the first time staying silent and refusing any interviews or media promotion, it was proclaimed a national event.

    LoL. This man gets it.

    Treat whores like whores.

  17. donut says:

    There will never be another one like him .

    How have you sunk so low that you promote a surrender monkey ?

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  18. Svigor says:
    @J.Ross

    Again: what I have heard & read is that the froggy po-po are on Team Yellow Vest. The exception are the…forget the name. There’s this one branch, French riot police or something, that is a bunch of communist shitbags. But the rest are right-wing.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  19. J.Ross says: • Website

    HR-1 moots democracy, tax return talk is a smokescreen.
    This bill is literally House Democrats admitting that everything they have been accused of is true.
    HR-1 is a house bill that will allow illegals to vote, penalizing you with a $100K fine and 5 years imprisonment if you recount or prohibit them

    https://archive.fo/RR2rI

    The bill is advertised by the media as one that proposes to release Trump’s tax returns, but here are the main issues behind the bill

    >Colleges can register students to vote, but are not required to ask if they are US Citizens

    >Automatic voter registration.

    >non citizens who are registered to vote cannot be charged with a crime unless they “knew” they were violating a crime.

    >people aren’t allowed to tell people within 60 days of an election what the laws regarding non-citizen voting are. [Not a lawyer but how can this even be proposed? How can it be illegal to provide legitimate and relevant infornation?]

    >People can register to vote at the poll on election day, and they must be given a real ballot (not provisional)

    >within 6 months of an elections, people cannot use the cross-state registration database to find people who are registered to vote in more than one state

    >Poll observers will no longer be allowed to challenge voters

    >no one, including law enforcement can “hinder someone who wants to vote”

    >voting rights are restored to convicted criminals, as long as they are not in jail on election day

    >If, during a recount, the number of ballots found don’t match the number of votes cast on election day, you MAY NOT use the election day count as the official count, and must now count all of the found votes.

    [MORE]

    >The federal government is not allowed to have a say in the recount process. It is entirely up to the state election committee.

    >All states must allow early voting. And polling locations must be moved within walking distance of bus stops

    > In states that require voter ID, voters can simply sign a form that says “I’m allowed to vote”, and that “counts as ID”

    This, combined with another provision allowing universal absentee voting, and the requirement that absentee votes contain a blank copy of this declaration, means that people can just sign up for absentee voting without ever proving who they are.

    >The “my voice voucher” program gives $25 to anyone who asks, and that money is forwarded to their “candidates of choice”

    >The request that all businesses give their employees a paid day off on election day

    >Paid leave of up to 6 days for poll workers

    >Redistricting by commission… must not dilute the votes of racial, ethnic and gender minorities.

  20. donut says:

    The instinct to prevail or even defend ourselves has been bred out of us . We are just domesticated animals .

  21. donut says:

    Do you believe in magic Negro ?

    I for myself don’t . Good song though .

  22. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Svigor

    The Compagnies Républicaines de Sécurité (CRS)?

    • Replies: @Svigor
  23. donut says:

    What’s it all mean Sailer ?

    Is this life worth living ?

    • Replies: @Neuday
  24. Depardieu Done and Buried?

    Has Macron, the environmental ret*rd, replaced Gérard by playing the green card?
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099699/

    Also see Éric Rohmer’s Bury My Heart At Claire’s Wounded Knee

  25. @J.Ross

    Good Christ, is this for real? Uhh, we can assume it won’t get past the Senate…right? (for now) And the President. But as you say, it shows who we’re dealing with and what the agenda is. My cynical side says eventually the Senate will go, and of course the White House will be gone soon… Judicial is partly an evil joke and won’t be fixed in time…

    Let’s see who if anybody else reports on what’s buried in the bill. We’re off topic, but this is an outrage.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    , @Trevor H.
  26. Lagertha says:

    He predicted all this, long time ago. There is no hope or compromise, ever. People are too narcissistic and vengeful for that to ever happen.

  27. Lagertha says:
    @donut

    don’t be such a wuss. Laws are fluid…duh.

    • Replies: @donut
    , @donut
  28. So, Macron didn’t actually read Houellebecq’s work?

    When you mentioned that Houellebecq occasionally worked in front of camera with Depardieu, I wondered if he was the guy who did a mutual masturbation scene with him in Mammuth, but I don’t see him in the credits, so I guess his reputation doesn’t even get that boost among the entertainment-elite.

    Respect the Ham!

  29. “We live in a society where 11 year old drag-queens dance in gay-bars for money and dudes buy AR-15s with suppressors and 40 round magazines for fun.

    When the wheels finally come off America it’s gonna be like nothing history has ever seen.”

    There’s a lot of truth in that quote and I’m trying to wrap my head around what the end state looks like.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @donut
    , @Tyrion 2
  30. @Buzz Mohawk

    The only people who would report this are racists, Buzz, duh!

  31. @Reg Cæsar

    Pétain, Laval, Cheval, Et Al.?

    The average Frenchman would rather give up feasting on horse flesh than warm to neo-Nazi Jared Taylor on account of his collaboration with Elizabeth Taylor in the production of National Socialist Velvet.

    See also: French word for “horse” is “Cheval.” Coincidence? I should think not!
    http://www.playbill.com/article/trial-of-maurice-chevalier-brought-to-the-stage-by-his-relative-com-384369

    • Replies: @The Plutonium Kid
  32. donut says:

    In your heart you know I’m right .

  33. “Now, there is a real contest to see who is more decrepit looking: Houellebecq or Depardieu?”

    Sailer’s Law of Male Journalism?

  34. donut says:
    @Lagertha

    Baby I’ll do what ever you say .

  35. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr McKenna

    They’re already asking this in medical wards here in the USA.

    Are you serious? Do you have a link?

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
  36. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reginald Maplethorp

    Who is better Houllebeq or Sabine?

  37. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack Hanson

    Who is the quote from?

  38. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Jared Taylor pointed out many years ago that using “male” as a noun is insulting.

    What was his reasoning?

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  39. whahae says:

    Kinda OT: Why does it take forever for translations of commercial relevant titles with media buzz like this one to come out in English translation? The German translation is out tomorrow, 3 days after the French original.

    When an English translation comes out in some months most of the immediate hype will be gone. Don’t British/American publishers like to make money?

  40. donut says:
    @Jack Hanson

    When you jump ship be sure to leave no traces .

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
  41. @whahae

    Loren Stein did the translation of “Submission” and it reads well.

    In the 1970s, Solzhenitsyn’s books were given a rush translation for the American market and it hurt his literary reputation. The British had a separate translation, which tended to be noticeably better.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  42. @Svigor

    > treat whores like whores

    Jean Birnbaum, literary critic of Le Monde, strongly criticized Houellebecq 3 years ago for Submission, noting “submission” could be understood as an injunction for his critics and readers. He rejected the work as nauseous and without literary merit.

    « Soumission » de Houellebecq ou à Houellebecq ? https://www.lemonde.fr/livres/video/2015/01/07/le-livre-de-houellebecq-suscite-la-nausee-et-la-revolte_4550704_3260.html

    But this time around, Birnbaum loves Sérotonine, so… submission impossible? Not so much.

  43. Anonymous[282] • Disclaimer says:

    The real point is that the ‘white male’ was never ‘vanquished’.

    Rather ‘white male’ politicians decided, for a whole variety of reasons, to voluntarily cede power to various other groups in order to be seen as ‘progressive’.

    An act of folly, cowardice, short sightedness and self destruction, surely no other supreme power holders anywhere at any time would ever contemplate.

  44. Trevor H. says:
    @Anonymous

    The reins of “public discourse” were seized, slowly but inexorably, by a “tiny minority keen to set brush fires.”

    Among the first tasks they accomplished were to sacralize themselves and to make any criticism of them or their methods grounds for being written out of “polite society”.

    • Agree: BenKenobi
  45. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Jack Hanson

    We live in a society where 11 year old drag-queens dance in gay-bars for money and dudes buy AR-15s with suppressors and 40 round magazines for fun.

    Those are niche happenings in the US. They are normal in Afghanistan.

  46. Tyrion 2 says:
    @whahae

    It is the same with films and for the same prosaic reasons. The French, Germans, Italians etc. all watch subtitled and dubbed media all of the time. Native English speakers, not so much.

  47. @Anonymous

    An act of folly, cowardice, short sightedness and self destruction, surely no other supreme power holders anywhere at any time would ever contemplate.

    I think of it as one of the oldest moves in history: make a deal with besieging enemies that could benefit you personally, to the obvious detriment of others in your fortified location.

    It’s often a dumb and shortsighted move, but it’s very human.

  48. Trevor H. says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The collapse accelerates. This is just a tiny taste of what awaits us with the next Congress and the next President.. How can this ever be permitted, the man asks. Just watch. The Rule of Law itself will be jettisoned as irredeemably racist and redolent of White Privilege.

    Why do you think our media are constantly retailing preposterous versions of past misdeeds? Simple: In order to facilitate and justify the ones they have in mind for the very near future.

  49. BB753 says:

    He was awarded the “Légion d’honneur” title, which makes him a “chevalier” (the French republican equivalent of the British “sir”) along with the diverse (as in 90% from the colored “banlieues”) 2018 World Cup winning French soccer team.

    http://www. leparisien.fr/culture-loisirs/livres/michel-houellebecq-recoit-la-legion-d-honneur-01-01-2019-7979259.php

    He still looks like a crazy hobo, though!

  50. Anon[415] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    Afro-European Union was a bad idea. It’s make sense ONLY IF another ice-age is on the horizon, in which case Europeans would have to migrate south.

  51. Anon[415] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reginald Maplethorp

    Wellback the new Celine?

  52. @Steve Sailer

    It’s interesting you say that because Derbyshire has been broadcasting about Solzhenitsyn’s literary quality, and on the last RadioDerb, he quoted a Russian listener who says he isn’t a great writer in the original Russian either.

  53. ic1000 says:
    @J.Ross

    The link you supplied
    https://archive.fo/RR2rI

    is to a long 4chan thread that (best I can tell) only links to a Scribd PDF of the bill.
    https://www.brennancenter.org/legislation/for-the-people-act-2019

    I’ll reserve judgement until there’s clearer evidence of what Rep. Sarbanes’ (D-MD) 571 page bill actually says. Not going to spend the morning checking out each of 4chan’s claims.

  54. rufus says:
    @Mr McKenna

    To keep the lights on, and the hood policed. At a minimum…

    Were all one bad trade away from humility as they say in my racket.

  55. @J.Ross

    “Will French police bite the hand that refuses to feed them?”

    It will very interesting to see how this analogy plays out with public unionized law enforcement agencies in the US. Will all of these “right wing, conservative” police officers side with the citizenry when the unrest starts, or will they protect and serve their pensions? Call me a pessimist but I’m predicting the latter.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  56. rufus says:
    @Anonymous

    Follow the money anon..

  57. @Anonymous

    It was a commenter from this website a few weeks ago.

    Here’s the story about the 10 year old tranny stripper:

    https://www.theburningplatform.com/2018/12/16/10-year-old-boy-performs-at-gay-strip-club/

  58. RudyM says:
    @J.Ross

    This is insane. Including it in a bill about Trump’s tax returns somehow makes it an even more blatant power play on the parts of the Democrats. Who sponsored this?!

    • Replies: @RudyM
  59. Anonymous[786] • Disclaimer says:

    Regarding Global Huwhitenquishing; does Sailer plans to comment on a far side effects of The Chang’e 4 Turning?

    There Are Plants and Animals on the Moon Now (Because of China)

    https://www.livescience.com/64413-china-space-moon-plants-animals.html

  60. I’m very much amazed by, and impressed with, the way in which the French elite has received Houellebecq.

    Despite his scathing critique of multiculturalism, he is awarded their highest honor.

    It is unthinkable that that would happen in the US, or any other Western country. Imagine the literary establishment getting behind such a figure in the US.

    Though the French have some rather oppressive restrictions on free speech, it seems that culturally, at least, there’s far greater respect for it than in the US.

  61. @candid_observer

    I agree with you entirely. Even in these troubled times, the French Overton window is far wider than that of Britain or the US. My own country, Canada, isn’t even worth mentioning. The media bullies and excludes people far more in the Anglosphere than in France, for whatever reason.

  62. Anon[103] • Disclaimer says:

    The Age of Vagabondage.

    Third World vagabonds coming to Europe, and European haute-vagabonds getting their heads cut off in Morocco.

  63. RudyM says:
    @RudyM

    The glowing MSM coverage of the bill says a lot. Of course, I assume most of these journalists haven’t actually looked at it and are working from press releases (but that says something as well):

    First headline: HR 1 Introduces Multiple Election Security Measures

    https://www.google.com/search?q=hr-1+elections&client=firefox-b-1&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiS1JuZy9nfAhUGrYMKHQLECxQQ_AUIDigB&biw=960&bih=438

  64. @Tyrion 2

    No shit. What’s your point?

  65. @Tyrion 2

    AKs, not ARs in Afghanistan. And it is a male-only hashish tavern.

  66. @Anonymous

    TBF I’m watching white men tear apart Globohomo’s poster child with sticks and bare fists across the country.

    I know this kind of doom masturbation regarding the end of YT is popular among a certain non-trolling subsect here because it means they might have to rise beyond pithy posts on a blog and leave their comforts behind.

    Sorry, its bottom of the second and the game isn’t over yet.

  67. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @candid_observer

    I’m very much amazed by, and impressed with, the way in which the French elite has received Houellebecq.

    I think it’s because he is the disease that he diagnoses, therefore he represents no threat as a cure. He sees much that is wrong and dispiriting but offers no solutions. He wallows in misery and defeatism even as he sounds the alarm. He’s like someone who notices that the house is on fire, calls the fire department, and goes back to bed.

    Sort of reminds me of the Brando character in LAST TANGO IN PARIS but without the saving grace of passion. Houellebecq comes across as someone who needs someone else to change his bedpan(or diapers). Ennui ripened past the stage of mold and rot. He is a zombie critic, the dead soul of France, the last gasp.

    The elites might feel differently about Houellebecq if he took a shower and shaped up as a truly counter-revolutionary figure. But like the latter-day Godard, he wallows in his own vomit. He’s the sort of person who can see the disease but offers no solutions. If anything, he shakes the hands of lepers and catches the disease himself. It was artists and intellectuals like him who turned French culture into one of enervation & apathy or dementia & ugliness. Ultimately, what he offers is nihilism, not nationalism. Tarantino got away with a lot of outrageous stuff in movies as well because he packaged it as hipster/cool nihilism than identity consciousness.

    The French director of I STAND ALONE is another French artist whose misanthropy has been overlooked because intellectuals interpret it as exploration of ugly side of modernity.

    https://www.jonathanrosenbaum.net/1999/07/the-brutal-truth/

    I haven’t read Houellebecq and don’t want to. I don’t sense anything resembling humanism or morality in his works. Just angst and despair that things are turning into shit while wallowing in shit. After all, suppose France didn’t have a migrant crisis and had a good economy. What would be Houellebecq’s vision? Just more wallowing in his own misery and shit because that’s all he wants to see. He feels at home only in the sewer, like Norton but without the good cheers.

    Because the intellectual class knows that Houellebecq is a misanthropist above all without higher vision, they don’t feel threatened by him. He offers no way out.

    There was a film that came out few yrs back, STAYING VERTICAL I don’t know if it’s Houellebecqian, but it was one of the most demented things I’ve ever seen. But what seemed Houelle-ish was that, even as it diagnoses all that is wrong with modern soulless France and dying rural communities, it had nothing to offer but to show a young man buggering an old man. It makes Pasolini’s TEOREMA look like a family movie.

    http://www.citypages.com/movies/teorema-of-relativity-6702699

    In the US, Bret Easton Ellis(of American Psycho) and the guy who wrote FIGHT CLUB have had some cult following and even critical attention.

  68. Now, there is a real contest to see who is more decrepit looking: Houellebecq or Depardieu?

    Out of curiosity I did a DuckDuckGo.com search on Houellebecq in Firefox and then clicked on images. The photographs of an elderly Houellebecq ranged all over the map from ones which made him look like a decrepit vampire/ghoul to others which made him seem like a handsome and rather dapper example of an elderly French intellectual. I suspect that what these photographs ultimately depict is less a reflection of reality than the ideological biases of the photographer,.

    BTW, the reason I went to such lengths to describe my usual search tools (DuckDuckGo on Firefox) is that what I’ve noticed about on-line photographs is much more true of on-line searches. I suspect that a Google search would probably have turned up a much less flattering photo array of Houellebecq photographs. And, indeed, a quick experiment, which I conducted just now, suggests that this is the case.

  69. Neuday says:
    @donut

    As good as iSteve is, there is no substitute for mental health.

  70. Svigor says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Yes, CRS, I think that’s the one.

  71. Tyrion 2 says:
    @candid_observer

    He writes great novels. That is enough still. Just about. Greatness, that is.

  72. Now, there is a real contest to see who is more decrepit looking: Houellebecq or Depardieu?

    Houellebecq and Depardieu can both screw off to Hell!

    How about a middle-aged Scandinavian mongrel broad who had to put up with Depardieu in some Norwegian movie done in English to maximize profits?

    Of course I am writing about the half Norwegian and half Swedish actress Maria Bonnevie.

    To Bonnevie or not to Bonnevie, that is the question.

    You would have to be an insensate bonehead not to Bonnevie.

  73. J.Ross says: • Website
    @whahae

    In the US, you don’t need an alarm for a car with manual transmission, and you don’t need a CTR-type information control campaign for a book not available in English.
    This, our lack of physical fitness, our lack of solidarity in the name of appearing reasonable, and our willingness to accept being attacked physically and juridically without response, are dead-to-rights flaws of our people.
    Going forward, judges should be afraid to Fields us because they expect a response, domestic terrorists like antifa should be afraid to attack us for the same reason, mass media isolation and persecution campaigns should fail because of our solidarity, the self-appointed curators of information should be afraid to try to keep things from us because of our language and dissemination skills, and, y’know, fitness.
    It’s not much, but I haven’t had a drop of soda pop since Christmas.

    • Replies: @densa
  74. @Anonymous

    Black women, versus white males. Which one is denied his humanity by eliminating the fact that he is, in fact, human?

    I’ve stopped using “females,” too. Men, and women.

  75. @Anonymous

    pretty ballsy. That big guy traded blows with the riot cop and for the most part got the better of it.

  76. Steve Sailer’s genius insights about France must all be remembered.

    Sailer is blogging about Houellebecq because this French guy Houellebecq seems to be able to use the perceptions of things as they are in a way that is entertaining and illuminating at the same time. A lot of people can accurately describe the tension between globalization and patriotism, but few can turn those perceptions into creations that other people can understand.

    Houellebecq is rightly riling up the average Frenchy with taunts and books about the tension that is being applied to regular French people. I assume Houellebecq would like the tension to snap, thereby accelerating the new ruling class to be installed in France. Maybe the French bastard Houellebecq just wants to smoke some more cigarettes and write some more books. Who knows?

    Sailer had a flash of Houellebecq genius in 2015 about French Muslims:

    I’ve just had an insight into why Muslims are even more concentrated in prisons near big cities in France: as Willie Sutton might have said, because that’s where the Muslims are.

    The best thing about the French Yellow Vest Patriots is that they are about as close to explicit Whiteness as you can get. The Muslims in France will not matter when the treasonous French ruling class is removed from power by the French Yellow Vest Patriots. Just the same as the Blacks won’t matter when the White Core American Patriots remove the treasonous ruling class from power in the United States.

    The tension is such that I could liken it to the tension that concrete wall panels are put under by stretched steel cables while they are curing. Got the Trumpy wall bit I put in there?

    Tweet from 2015:

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  77. What this suggests is that this movement wasn’t “spontaneous.” (As if any of them, any of them, ever are.) Not that I dislike the basic demands of the movement. It’s just that, in the Great Clarification, I have been taught and taught and taught again to ask “Who’s Behind It? Who’s Footin’ the Bills?”

  78. @El Dato

    Najs. Here’s what La Kaprielian missed: #BangMeToo specializes in tail-devouring old white knights like Keillor and Sanders. Unlike them, Houellebecq understands the TNOW.

  79. J.Ross says: • Website

    NetFlix’s PR chief Jonathan Friedland has been fired for saying the n-word twice “in a descriptive manner.”
    Claim:

    NetFlix PR Chief let go because he said the word “……” twice at work when talking about offensive words. Not called anyone that, just used the word when discussing words.

    Cf the Papa Johns pizza founder extracted from his own company for participating in a stupid SJW feelgood exercise.
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/jonathan-friedland-exits-netflix-1122675

    “I’m leaving Netflix after seven years,” said Friedland in a statement to The Hollwood Reporter. “Leaders have to be beyond reproach in the example we set and unfortunately I fell short of that standard when I was insensitive in speaking to my team about words that offend in comedy. I feel awful about the distress this lapse caused to people at a company I love and where I want everyone to feel included and appreciated. I feel honored to have built a brilliant and diverse global team and to have been part of this collective adventure in building the world’s leading entertainment service.”

    • Replies: @Hail
  80. donut says:
    @Lagertha

    Yeah , I get carried away .


    Laws are fluid but Justice is immutable .

  81. @candid_observer

    Who is the American Houellebecq?

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @CMC
  82. J.Ross says: • Website

    More about Friedland:

    “The first incident was several months ago in a PR meeting about sensitive words. Several people afterwards told him how inappropriate and hurtful his use of the N-word was, and Jonathan apologised to those that had been in the meeting. We hoped this was an awful anomaly never to be repeated.

    Three months later he spoke to a meeting of our Black Employees at Netflix group and did not bring it up, which was understood by many in the meeting to mean he didn’t care and didn’t accept accountability for his words.

    The second incident, which I only heard about this week, was a few days after the first incident; this time Jonathan said the N-word again to two of our Black employees in HR who were trying to help him deal with the original offense. The second incident confirmed a deep lack of understanding, and convinced me to let Jonathan go now.

    So really:
    >This is one incident. The “repetition” is from discussion about the first incident. The reporting gives the impression that this guy is walking around talking like a rapper but this was a confected hit by diversity officers.
    >At NetFlix, apologies are not a part of putting an incident behind you. You are expected to later remind everyone of what you did, to freshen their anger and keep the mistake alive. Has anybody heard a NetFlix corporate policy that was not cuckoo?
    >This odious phrase “help you deal with (or work through)” is now poisoned through strong association with Stasis and parasites. No healthy or good person talks about wanting to help someone work through their issues.

    • Replies: @Ragno
    , @Trevor H.
  83. @reactionry

    Perhaps you’re forgetting just how many of the French collaborated with the Nazis. Watch The Sorrow and the Pity some time.

  84. @Tyrion 2

    Those are niche happenings in the US.

    For now.

  85. BB753 says:
    @candid_observer

    The French are proud of any Frenchman famous outside of France, particularly writers.

  86. donut says:

    She’s pissed off .

  87. @donut

    If the state can’t or won’t fulfill it’s most basic functions then what ?

    It depends what you think the ‘most basic functions’ of the State are; for those at the top, it’s fulfilling the actual basic functions pretty bloody nicely – because the actual ‘basic function’ of States is to replace the Church as the false premise that enables a parasitic ‘elite’ to live luxuriously at everyone else’s expense.

    I dunno if’ you’ve ever seen “Product vs Packshot” – but in my worldview you only get to be fooled by packaging three or four times, and then you abrogate your right to complain.

    So it’s well past time that people stopped mewling about the ‘failure’ of government to fulfill its functions. Such mewling is predicated on a worldview in which the functions government promises to fulfill, are the same as the functions it intends to fulfill.

    That would be charmingly naïve in a 3 year old, but is evidence of cognitive incompetence if observed in an adult.

    (As always, I feel oddly compelled to clarify that ‘you‘ herein is the generic, as usual… although it would apply to you personally by default)

    • Replies: @Svigor
  88. @candid_observer

    Austrian writer Thomas Bernhard is a bit like Houellebcq. A much admired and highly decorated novelist (Wittgenstein’s Nephew is great) and playwright and hater of all things German and Austrian whatsoever – be it buildings or doctors or lawyers or musicians or directors or – – – .

  89. Hail says: • Website
    @J.Ross

    NetFlix’s PR chief Jonathan Friedland has been fired for saying the n-word twice “in a descriptive manner.”

    Friedland

    I presume not the same person as Jonathan Freedland (b.1967):

    A leading liberal Zionist in the UK

    ________

    The story is from July 2018. The Netflix Jonathan Friedland [b. circa 1959] has a Linkedin showing him graduating from Hampshire College with a BA in Developmental Economics in 1981, and then in 1982 from the London School of Economics with an MSc. Worked in journalism for eighteen years thru 2006 (mainly Wall Street Journal), then Disney (2006-2011), and finally Netflix (2012-2018).

    Nothing in his bio that I can see suggests crime-think at any point in his professional life. Is the Revolution eating its own children?

    Tangential: Jonathan Friedland looks like Jeb Bush with a Semitic flair:

    In an informal 2016 interview recorded in India, an East Asian woman who I presume to be his wife accompanies Friedland.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
  90. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @donut

    In years past, the State knew its limitations, and it enforced its obligatory functions on the basis that if it did not, someone else would. It lacks that fear today and we all suffer.

    The Skidmore Bully case is a good example. The guy terrorized the town for decades and law enforcement could not deal with him. Someone with a rifle eventually did. Everyone in the town knew who pulled the trigger and none talked. The government spent a great deal of time on the case because it had been undermined by private justice.

    • Replies: @donut
  91. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Plutonium Kid

    Most of the Frenchies did-after all, the old joke about planting trees on the Champs-Elysees so the Germans could march in the shade was no joke-but then again the Germans were not particularly harsh on the French either. Much of the Resistance was hardcore criminals and Communists.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  92. @donut

    The bloke in that video (I forget his name) doesn’t even look as white as I do.

    He does look a bit like my younger brother, who in turn looks like former Test cricketer Brendon Julian (who, like my brother, was born in Hamilton, NZ) ->

    So frankly, I’ve got him (the singer guy) pegged as a non-White.

    Would he have been eligible to hold office in the South, under the version of the ‘one drop rule’ that prevailed at the time? (My brother and I could run for office in NZ despite our 25% darkieness; I don’t know if Brendon Julian is part-Maori or not, mais j’ai mes soupçons)

  93. Anon[253] • Disclaimer says:

    An imperial power moving entire populations for divide and rule.

    Nothing new: Video at 3:30

  94. David says:
    @Tyrion 2

    What’s your point? Should we only object to things that Afghans like, or only to things they don’t like? Guide us.

    Or maybe shut up. You don’t come off as smart as you think you do. When you actually know something, by all means, tell us about it.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  95. J.Ross says: • Website

    The story is from July 2018.

  96. Flemur says:
    @Anonymous

    So the French police don’t have guns, mace or tear gas? Just shields?

    • Replies: @densa
  97. Mr. Anon says:

    OT:

    Key Democrat Admits Trump Has Authority To Declare National Emergency To Build Wall

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-06/key-democrat-admits-trump-has-authority-declare-national-emergency-build-wall

    “There is a provision in the law that says the president can declare an emergency. It’s been done a number of times, but primarily it’s been done to build facilities in Afghanistan and Iraq. In this case, I think the president would be wide open to a court challenge saying, where is the emergency? You have to establish that in order to do this. Beyond that, this would be a terrible use of Department of Defense dollars.”

    Defending Afghanistan and Iraq: a national emergency

    Defending the United States of America: NOT a national emergency

  98. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Hail

    Yes the Revolution is eating its own. Little noticed is that Disney is run by White and Black women. Star Wars is run by Kathleen Kennedy, hence the Mary Sue Go-Girrrl power and trashing of beloved characters. ABC is run by a Black woman hence Roseanne’s firing. Kevin Hart ticked of Lesbians and Gays so had to go from the Oscar Hosting duties despite have a LOT of friends in Hollywood.

    [An undercurrent is the boiling rage of the stand up crowd on their basic ability to go out and make bucks by being “offensive” that produces shock-laughter. Deuce Bigalow Rob Schneider was on local TV opining on the Kevin Hart firing and was not happy.]

    Ocasio-Cortez gave a brushback pitch to Nancy Pelosi. Pelosi might be riding high, but Cortez has bills to pay and patronage to deliver. Hence the demand to tax at 80% the “Wealthy” and people like George Clooney, George Soros, the Koch Brothers, Warren Buffett, and Bill Gates.

    At Netflix, at Disney, at ABC, there are only so many jobs and White women and women of Color and Gays and Lesbians demand THEY be in the drivers seat and White dudes surrender. Due to the power of women (witholding sex basically) this coalition of anti-White males has gotten their way so far.

    Just as the Democrats face a growing rebellion among their non-White leaders. Obama was a disaster as now every Cortez or Sharpton or Hank Johnson imagines themselves President. There will be no limit to their demands but there will be limits to the money and positions available.

    What will entertainment look like when it is 100% the product of Upper Class Ivanka type White women and Kamala Harris types? What will government be like when it is 100% run by Ocasio-Cortez and Kamala Harris?

    A completely non-White male ruling class in all areas: political leadership, military leadership, culture, entertainment, business, and the arts makes pretty much every White man into the enemy of the status quo and the establishment. The argument that African nationalists made to Western companies investing in Africa was that ordinary African people in their nations had to see concrete benefits to their lives and see themselves in the local leadership. Just importing foreign White workers was an avenue for local revolt and violence. [China has ignored this, they are likely to experience their own Boxer Rebellion on the flip side because of that arrogance. Africa has no shortage of young men with followers who imagine themselves as the big man through acts of extreme violence.]

    Yes the White male is vanquished. And soon will see no White males at all in the leadership class of the West. With therefore a vested and permanent interest in rebellion along racial and gender lines. But hey, intersectionality and feminism. Feelz uber alles always leads to disaster.

  99. donut says:
    @Anonymous

    Yes , the only sad part about that story is that it took so long for someone to do what had to be done . And the beast always stirs when some body treads on it’s grave .

  100. Ragno says:
    @J.Ross

    The entire point of forcing a transgressor to apologize is to publicly reject it. This is one of the most sublime pleasures deviant justice can extract from Humdrums and Provincials.

    And now that they’ve extended this treatment to Kevin Hart, that just leaves one demographic category exempt from this public circle of shame. If you’d prefer not to have to bend your knee, try not to notice.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  101. BenKenobi says:

    “We make a mind clean before we put a bullet in it.”
    – O’Brien to Winston in the Miniluv
    Orwell, 1984

  102. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Most of the Frenchies did-after all, the old joke about planting trees on the Champs-Elysees so the Germans could march in the shade was no joke-but then again the Germans were not particularly harsh on the French either.

    The French lost the war and made peace with Germany. There was no particular reason why it would have been wrong to collaborate. The sin of which they were guilty was picking the losing side.

    Much of the Resistance was hardcore criminals and Communists.

    They were terrorists and by all the accepted rules of war the Germans were entitled to deal harshly with them.

    If you win you’re a freedom fighter. If you lose you’re a terrorist.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  103. @Svigor

    LoL. This man gets it.

    Treat whores like whores.

    Though the French have traditionally advised, “Treat a whore like a lady; treat a lady like a whore.”

  104. @dfordoom

    “If you win you’re a freedom fighter. If you lose you’re a terrorist.”

    On the other hand, you can be posthumously awarded the US “Medal of Freedom” by a US President.

    “In 1951, Faurschou Hviid and his colleague Jørgen Haagen Schmith were presented, posthumously, with the US Medal of Freedom by President Harry Truman.[2][3]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bent_Faurschou_Hviid

  105. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Will all of these “right wing, conservative” police officers side with the citizenry when the unrest starts, or will they protect and serve their pensions? Call me a pessimist but I’m predicting the latter.

    (1) They would have to believe there is a pension, and (2) they would have to be whores.

    You may be right. But it is an open question. I wouldn’t write them off without more data.

  106. CMC says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    The American Houellebecq is the pseudonymous blogger Roissy/Chateau Heartiste.

    (With an Hon. Mention for Roosh V.)

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @King Baeksu
  107. @The Plutonium Kid

    Perhaps you’re forgetting just how many of the French collaborated with the Nazis.

    The Nazis weren’t hostile.

  108. Anon[851] • Disclaimer says:
    @CMC

    Nah, Houllebecq comes across as a civilized human being. But they are both godless nihilists, so they have that in common.

  109. Tyrion 2 says:
    @David

    It was an interesting comparison, that is all. Why so touchy about the truth about Afghanistan?

  110. LondonBob says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    The pictures of the yellow vests do seem to solely display ethnic French. It is an interesting development, but I suspect just the early stages. I still see France as the most likely country to explode first.

  111. LondonBob says:
    @The Plutonium Kid

    About as many French collaborated as did Danes, Norwegians or British Channel Islanders. Life is not black or white.

    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
  112. King Baeksu says: • Website
    @candid_observer

    Despite his scathing critique of multiculturalism, he is awarded their highest honor.

    Houellebecq’s critique of multiculturalism is rather peripheral. His main target is neoliberalism.

    Since neoliberalism in France is triumphant, it doesn’t hurt to give the man a bit of recognition.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
  113. King Baeksu says: • Website
    @CMC

    Most of Houellebecq’s protagonists are pathetic betas, but as a writer he is pure alpha.

    Roissy and Roosh V, on the other hand, present as alphas, but as fiction writers? Strictly beta.

    • Replies: @CMC
  114. Trevor H. says:
    @J.Ross

    Sorry but I still don’t get why so many Goodwhites and especially Goodjews keep getting in trouble this way. I’m not remotely Good yet I’d never use the N-word. Is something wrong with me? Is this what cognitive dissonance feels like?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  115. Corn says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    These “right wing, conservative” police officers were perfectly willing to let antifa romp in Charlottesville and Portland.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    , @Lagertha
  116. @LondonBob

    The French have been in fact among the least eager to collaborate with foreign armies in recent generations. Most of Western Europe has produced no reaction at all to the American occupation while the French rejected American bases and the inevitable vassalage that comes from having foreign soldiers on your soil.

    French elites in recent decades have been trying to reverse De Gaulle’s moves and to turn France into just another NATO vassal. If the yellow vests are serious about rebellion, they have to do it now before Macron has American troops or the supposedly upcoming “European army” to use against rebels.

    • Replies: @Corn
  117. Bill B. says:
    @The Plutonium Kid

    Interestingly many of the more enthusiastic collaborators with the Vichy regime were previously with anti-racist and anti-Semitic NGOs like LICRA, the French equivalent of the $PLC.

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligue_internationale_contre_le_racisme_et_l%27antisémitisme#La_Seconde_Guerre_mondiale

    (Some of these collabos later tried to exculpate themselves by claiming this enabled them to get a deal whereby 90% of French Jews were spared deportation East. Foreign Jews fared less well to put it mildly.)

  118. densa says:
    @J.Ross

    Going forward, judges should be afraid to Fields us because they expect a response, domestic terrorists like antifa should be afraid to attack us for the same reason, mass media isolation and persecution campaigns should fail because of our solidarity, the self-appointed curators of information should be afraid to try to keep things from us because of our language and dissemination skills, and, y’know, fitness.

    Totally agree.

    It’s not much, but I haven’t had a drop of soda pop since Christmas.

    Don’t underestimate this one. There is a quiet revolution happening in this country with people taking control of their health. It involves realizing that the healthcare system so values profits over your continued existence that, yes, they really are trying to kill you, but only after they’ve made a shed load of money. People are not only getting healthier, they’re realizing the need to question everything they thought they knew. It’s revolutionary.

  119. CMC says:
    @King Baeksu

    Don’t get hung up on the fiction vs. non-fiction distinction.

    As writer-writers, and specifically on the topic of contemporary sexual … dynamics, Roissy and Roosh are very good.

    Even giving your objection it’s due, iirc each of Houellebecq’s novels feature passages that are basically non-fiction examinations and indictments of those dynamics and how we live now, as well as allegory and metaphor to that effect.

    Here’s a way to look at it. Americans are ahead of the curve culture wise and don’t read novels anymore. (I’m guessing/shooting my mouth off here a bit but indulge me some theorizing.) Attention spans and all that. (SEROTONIN!!!) We’re on the internet. Which is where Roissy has been essaying, using various genres, all in a very Houellebecqian laugh/envy/angst way.

    • Replies: @King Baeksu
  120. densa says:
    @Flemur

    What they don’t have is “humanity and justice” on their side.

    From Tu Mu’s comment on Sun Tzu: The Tao is the way of humanity and justice; laws are regulations and institutions. Those who excel in war first cultivate their own humanity and justice and maintain their laws and institutions. By these means they make their governments invincible.

    The police can’t repel their own because they know it is not morally correct. Macron can win in one of two ways. He can have the moral high ground on his native ground, or he can ‘diversify’ his police and train them in you-know-where so that they will cheerfully mace and shoot their fellowmen. So far he has accomplished neither.

  121. Corn says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    “If the yellow vests are serious about rebellion, they have to do it now before Macron has American troops or the supposedly upcoming “European army” to use against rebels.”

    Bill Kristol’s Twitter, 2020: Will a President Harris or President O’Rourke have the spine to send troops to fight Yellowvests in France before we have to fight them here?

  122. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Trevor H.

    Because they roll over. Imagine politely but firmly fighting back — the empty-headed diversity officers would repeat ritual incantations and they would re-complain to a higher-up, but that’s all they could do. They have no legal grounding, no business argument other than you might get boycotted, and they cannot form arguments.

  123. @Corn

    >assuming every pd is alike, everywhere.

    Whew.

  124. @King Baeksu

    Neo liberalism looking pretty “triumphant”, what with their equivalent of the Treasury Department having its doors breached with a forklift, Micron unable to appear in public without an armored division as security, and the cops getting goonstomped by what appears to be a Norman neo-Viking.

    I’m going to call the Yellow Vests as another Trump election moment for iSteve dawt com, where the Biggest Brain Commentariat totally misreads what is going on and spends the foreseeable future trying to shoehorn reality into its autistic world view.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @King Baeksu
  125. @Jack Hanson

    I’m going to call the Yellow Vests as another Trump election moment for iSteve dawt com, where the Biggest Brain Commentariat totally misreads what is going on and spends the foreseeable future trying to shoehorn reality into its autistic world view.

    What are you talking about? A person reading Steve Sailer’s blog, the comments here and Unz.com generally, would have been far less surprised by the events of the last few years than any NYT reading normie.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
  126. King Baeksu says: • Website
    @Jack Hanson

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m on the sides of the Yellow Vests, but their ability to vanquish the imposition of a neoliberal regime in France is far from certain.

    When the neoliberal Lee Myung-bak took power in 2008 here in South Korea, there were three months of epic street riots that were far more violent and large-scale than anything we have seen in Paris so far. Millions marched, police buses were lit on fire, and the Blue House had to be protected by a barrier of double-stacked shipping containers, the authorities were that worried. Yet Lee was able to ride it all out and a decade later neoliberalism here is more entrenched than ever.

    Houellebecq ably anatomized the destruction wrought on French society by American-style neoliberalism and the relentless marketization of human relations in his first two novels, “Whatever” (1994) and “The Elementary Particles” (1998). But that was over two decades ago and the course of French history has been largely unaffected by his literary “interventions,” as the French might say.

    His greatest virtue is to provide solace for the already vanquished, and for that alone we must show a profound respect.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
  127. King Baeksu says: • Website
    @CMC

    Don’t get hung up on the fiction vs. non-fiction distinction.

    Roosh V is funny, or more precisely deadpan drool, but his writing style amounts to talking on the screen or page. Fiction requires the ability to create believable characters and compelling stories, and I’m not sure our Persian pal is quite up to the task.

    As for Roissy, his problem is essentially the opposite: Every sentence he writes screams, “Look at me!” and I doubt he would have the good sense or humility to get out of the reader’s way when crafting original stories.

    Houellebecq is a master craftsman as well as a sociologist. We cannot say the same for Roissy and Roosh V, I’m afraid, and the distinction matters.

    • Replies: @King Baeksu
    , @CMC
  128. Lagertha says:
    @Corn

    We are discussing France, btw.

    • Replies: @Corn
  129. Lagertha says:

    I think the fact that Depardieu (who was so sublime in so many movies in the 80’s), and, Houllebecq, surely, one of the greatest writers of our time, look really tired, out-of-shape, yet proudly worn-out….really pisses off feminists and effeminate men b>(because GD And MH have never lied about their habits) – they are true to themselves…fat, ugly, smokers/drinkers/non-yoga people. Leftists, Liberals, Progressives hate to admit that they have always liked the work of GD & MH – ergo, their head explosions.

  130. King Baeksu says: • Website
    @King Baeksu

    *drool = droll. My comment did not appear in the five-minute review-window, for some reason.

  131. NickG says:

    The man has a knack.

    Not really; he’s simply a noticer, in the same vein as our host. Though to be fair, Steve is not nearly as ugly a bastard as is Houellebecq.

    Houellebecq’s Submission is the fist work of fiction I’ve read in over a quarter a century. I might give this one a go too.

  132. Corn says:
    @Lagertha

    Indeed, but the commenter I replied to was musing about something similar happening here.

  133. @Cagey Beast

    What are YOU talking about? This place was 95% Eeyore DOOOOOOOM about how Trump was going to be crushed by Hillary followed by non-stop predictions of how Trump was going to sell us out with a 5b person amnesty.

    I get that the iStevers have the attention span of a fruit fly and like to think of themselves as Big Brain Secret Masters, most of you are indistinguishable from Breitbarts comments section with “autistic arguments about a rando’s percent of Jew genetics” being the key difference between the two forums.

  134. @King Baeksu

    A Frenchman is not a Korean tho. This is what, the French’s fifth attempt at a republic?

    I think the effect on the psyche of a society from killing your king is underestimated.

  135. Svigor says:
    @Kratoklastes

    True, but it’s worth mentioning that traditionally the Church and the State were the same thing, even before the emergence of either institution; typical prehistoric and premodern pattern was that the priestly caste was the ruling caste.

  136. CMC says:
    @King Baeksu

    You make a good point there.

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