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The day after the Dallas terrorism, the first two policy responses that candidate presidential Hillary Clinton recommended in an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN were: “National guidelines for police about the use of force” and “We need to look more into implicit bias.”

Seriously.

 
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  1. 2Mintzin1 says:

    Harry Turtledove must write an alternative history about the H. Clinton presidency…can you imagine what the country would be like today if this creature was in charge?

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    • Replies: @Beeesgs
    Yeah, there'd still be the 4.2 unemployment rate that was engineered by the last two years of Obama, but on the other hand, there would be relative peace and quiet, no endless but understandable anti-Trump protests, no idiotic daily controversies and insults, no alt-right rallies, no pussy hats, and, I guess, Paul Ryan would be in the back somewhere seeing if he can fish out another detail about Benghazi.

    Oh, and James Comey would still be FBI director. I guess he screwed himself over on that tone.

    Hillary's sole campaign ad should have been any random picture of Donald Trump, scored by a loop of the Carrie audiotrack of the line "They're all gonna laugh at you". And they are.
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  2. Just the example I was thinking of; I remember when, about this time last year, after the slaughter of multiple police officers in Dallas (I believe explicitly whites were targeted) by a BLM terrorist, liberal publications like Vox and the New York Times issued “all violence is bad, this was horrific but we have to take into account the legitimate grievances of peaceful looters…” style commentary on the events. They were always careful to balance their condemnation of the terrorist with recognition that his actions hadn’t been endorsed by any BLM leaders, that this was motivated in part by (allegedly) reasonable grievances, that, according to Dr. Ta-Nehisi “the Genius” Coates, in order to end such terrorism we need to address the demands of the non-violent protesters…

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  3. Two words: Political Calculus.

    AKA: “Hillary Clinton.” Funny thing though, in 2016 her ‘unerring’ political instincts erred. “White people in America need to do a much better job of listening when African Americans talk.”

    What’s wrong with you white people anyway?

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    What "political instincts?" She didn't have any. That was her problem. We're talking about bloodless technocrat who was more at home speaking before the throng at the Harvard/JFK School than before the Little Platoons (as Edmund Burke would have called "ordinary" citizens). That's one reason why she didn't get elected, apart from the fact that she is a pious fraud and serial liar.
  4. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Unite The Right/Black Lives Matter is not a bad comparison — I made it myself on Twitter over the weekend.

    But rather than Hillary’s response, think of Obama’s. He condemned the shooter, but he addressed BLM’s grievance — at a memorial for the dead cops, no less.

    I don’t know if the world is ready for Trump to speak plainly about demographic replacement — so far, the only person I’ve seen talk about that in the wake of Charlottesville was Varad Mehta — but Trump did a pretty good job in Tuesday’s presser in at least pointing out the violence on both sides.

    It’s amazing that Trump is nearly alone in standing up for the principle that speech doesn’t justify violence.

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    • Replies: @eah
    a partially legitimate grievance

    Things to do: 1) look at the criminality of Blacks, including the huge disproportionality of black on white crime, especially killings and rape; 2) consider the societal costs/burden of the aforementioned criminality of Blacks; 3) ditto for the lack of black academic achievement, and hence their failure to contribute proportionately to the economy, leading to the need for enormous wealth transfers from Whites; 4) visit Liberia, where Whites are not allowed to be citizens, and which has been independent since about 1850, to see what Blacks are able to achieve on their own.

    I think Whites have very good reasons to have more than "a partially legitimate grievance" against Blacks. And I mean every fucking day of the year.

    Nice try at virtue signaling though -- at least your twitter account won't get 'shoahed'.
    , @anon
    So ....

    Even though CNN was fine with Hillary pandering to the cause of BLM, the American public wasn't.

    But Hillary was stuck with BLM and the inevitable horrible optics of their riots and looting and overall thuggery. Whether Wolf Blitzer was OK with it or not.

    Trump, on the other hand, has some supporters with disturbing optics. However, at least they are black mobs. And he isn't pissing off his base by condemning Nazis.

    MAGAs are deplorables, but aren't going to burn down their suburbs. The big issues speak for themselves. Orderly borders and enforcement of regulations. Hugely popular. More subtle issues like 'human biodiversity' ... the facts and DNA are reframing the debate.
    , @Stacy235l
    Unite The Right/Black Lives Matter is not a bad comparison

    Yes, it is a bad comparison. Unite the Right didn't shoot anyone. Not even to defend themselves. Not one. Black Lives Matter were protected by the police, Unite the Right were not.
    , @Nico
    I would have said BLM was "born in the wake of a partially legitimate grievance about police brutality." I am not aware that they ever at any point pursued that line in a worthwhile manner.
    , @Brutusale
    Definitely not an apt comparison unless Unite the Right chants "You CANNOT replace us!".
  5. Boethiuss says:

    BLM aren’t Nazis.

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    • Replies: @whorefinder
    Agreed, they're more like the Brownshirts. They even have the Ernie Rohm-gay-organization-as-street-thugs thing going on. Whoever's will BLM are doing, they should remember what happened to Rohm and the rest of his gay street fighters.
    , @El Dato
    Nazis have a political agenda. BLM just wants to shop & shut down (even in Canada and the UK, FFS!)

    Meanwhile:

    Is Switzerland being softened up for a Cultural Diversification Programme?

    After Haaretz detected parochialism and racism, we now have Bad Signs in Hotels:

    https://www.rt.com/news/399668-swiss-hotel-jewish-signs/
    , @G Pinfold
    Yes. Because Nazis (actual Hitler reanactment geeks with Swastikas and Iron Crosses) are THE geo-political issue of the day? Didn't Steve have a meme along the lines of 'It's always 1939 to some people. '
    , @Alec Leamas
    These NAZIs aren't even NAZIs. They're LARPing with swastikas because they think it's edgy and scares the left.

    I assure you, the territorial integrity of Poland is not in danger.
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  7. whorefinder says: • Website

    (posted this in the a previous thread as well)

    Steve, I had a thought: I think all of these “tear down Confederate statues and flags” movements that have popped up in the last year or so are really just attempts by the Powerbroker Left to goad the non-Left into action and confrontation.

    Bankroll the movements to remove the “hate” symbol. Goad the Right—especially with suspicious “leader” plants such as Spencer and Kessler–to demonstrate against the removal in the open, get them all out there. It’s an easy demonstration event, because demonstrators have a physical object to surround and meet at and rally around—and get the Left’s goons to attack while the media blames the violence on the Right.

    Beat up the Right, make them look like the attackers, and demoralize them by removing the statute/flag anyway.

    At least that was the Powerbroker Left’s plan. Its unclear right now whether it will work. Thoughts?

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  8. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Boethiuss
    BLM aren't Nazis.

    Agreed, they’re more like the Brownshirts. They even have the Ernie Rohm-gay-organization-as-street-thugs thing going on. Whoever’s will BLM are doing, they should remember what happened to Rohm and the rest of his gay street fighters.

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    • Replies: @bored identity
    bored identity agrees.

    Rohm totally looks like Bad Ape in that silly product placement Hugo Boss jacket :


    http://minden_games.homestead.com/Fall_of_Rohm_jpg_xs.jpg
  9. G Pinfold says:

    Thanks Steve, Nice nostalgic moment from 2016 – the moment many of us realised Hillary was cooked.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    And Cruz was cooked the moment he blamed Trump for the violent thugs that shut down Trump's own rally.

    Somehow these people made it to adulthood without mastering rudimentary human relations.
  10. Steve

    Google the video of Hillary Clinton talking down to a young Minnesota Voter(young black Woman)..Starbucks I think…

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  11. eah says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Unite The Right/Black Lives Matter is not a bad comparison -- I made it myself on Twitter over the weekend.

    But rather than Hillary's response, think of Obama's. He condemned the shooter, but he addressed BLM's grievance -- at a memorial for the dead cops, no less.

    I don't know if the world is ready for Trump to speak plainly about demographic replacement -- so far, the only person I've seen talk about that in the wake of Charlottesville was Varad Mehta -- but Trump did a pretty good job in Tuesday's presser in at least pointing out the violence on both sides.

    It's amazing that Trump is nearly alone in standing up for the principle that speech doesn't justify violence.

    https://twitter.com/varadmehta/status/896503788349132800

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/896932658172833792

    a partially legitimate grievance

    Things to do: 1) look at the criminality of Blacks, including the huge disproportionality of black on white crime, especially killings and rape; 2) consider the societal costs/burden of the aforementioned criminality of Blacks; 3) ditto for the lack of black academic achievement, and hence their failure to contribute proportionately to the economy, leading to the need for enormous wealth transfers from Whites; 4) visit Liberia, where Whites are not allowed to be citizens, and which has been independent since about 1850, to see what Blacks are able to achieve on their own.

    I think Whites have very good reasons to have more than “a partially legitimate grievance” against Blacks. And I mean every fucking day of the year.

    Nice try at virtue signaling though — at least your twitter account won’t get ‘shoahed’.

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    • Agree: ia
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    I say what I think, under my own name. If I'm virtue signaling, I'm doing a bad job of it, as I had an NRO neckbeard practically call me a Nazi sympathizer over the weekend for objecting to a call for rally organizers to be "publicly flogged".
  12. I think Trump’s press conference today is the best moment he’s had since he announced his candidacy.
    No other president in the past fifty years would have defended the people protesting the removal of the statue, and no white politician today would have had the guts to point out the difference between the normal people protesting the removal and the neo-nazis protesting alongside them, and Trump did this with two Jewish guys and an Asian lady standing next to him. Watching the press take words Trump had just said and twist them into something he didn’t say and then asking him to defend them was pretty surreal. It’s in stark contrast to when Obama was lecturing reporters about racism as Baltimore was burning.

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    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    Couldn't agree with you more. The man is objectionable in a dozen ways or more, but that's real courage. Or moxie, as some like to say.

    All we need is for the MSM to come out and call it 'cowardly' and the identification of it as genuine courage will be complete. (Probably already happened, for all I know.) But any of us can see it already for what it is.

    , @Lurker
    Agreed.

    What's also been surreal has the developing narrative that the alt-right killed two police officers. The alt-right having developed an unexpected anti-aircraft capability apparently. However actual proof remains somewhat scarce or non-existent.
  13. El Dato says:
    @Boethiuss
    BLM aren't Nazis.

    Nazis have a political agenda. BLM just wants to shop & shut down (even in Canada and the UK, FFS!)

    Meanwhile:

    Is Switzerland being softened up for a Cultural Diversification Programme?

    After Haaretz detected parochialism and racism, we now have Bad Signs in Hotels:

    https://www.rt.com/news/399668-swiss-hotel-jewish-signs/

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    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    Was gonna be suitably shocked, shocked by the notes, but then you read more on the context, and then you encounter this:

    The notes have been condemned by Israel's deputy foreign minister, Tzipi Hotovely, who called them "an anti-Semitic act of the worst and ugliest kind."
     
    So the two notes are worse than, say, the holocaust? Well, good that we have that settled now.
  14. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Dave Pinsen
    Unite The Right/Black Lives Matter is not a bad comparison -- I made it myself on Twitter over the weekend.

    But rather than Hillary's response, think of Obama's. He condemned the shooter, but he addressed BLM's grievance -- at a memorial for the dead cops, no less.

    I don't know if the world is ready for Trump to speak plainly about demographic replacement -- so far, the only person I've seen talk about that in the wake of Charlottesville was Varad Mehta -- but Trump did a pretty good job in Tuesday's presser in at least pointing out the violence on both sides.

    It's amazing that Trump is nearly alone in standing up for the principle that speech doesn't justify violence.

    https://twitter.com/varadmehta/status/896503788349132800

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/896932658172833792

    So ….

    Even though CNN was fine with Hillary pandering to the cause of BLM, the American public wasn’t.

    But Hillary was stuck with BLM and the inevitable horrible optics of their riots and looting and overall thuggery. Whether Wolf Blitzer was OK with it or not.

    Trump, on the other hand, has some supporters with disturbing optics. However, at least they are black mobs. And he isn’t pissing off his base by condemning Nazis.

    MAGAs are deplorables, but aren’t going to burn down their suburbs. The big issues speak for themselves. Orderly borders and enforcement of regulations. Hugely popular. More subtle issues like ‘human biodiversity’ … the facts and DNA are reframing the debate.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Right, the American public wasn't. As I said, Obama did a better job of threading the needle than tin-eared Hillary did. But the mainstream media paroxysm over Trump's Tuesday press conference gives you a sense of the echo chamber that was throwing Hillary off during her campaign.

    And yes, Trump has to defend MAGAs while shunning the Nazi LARPers. Not that he should have to! -- the MAGAs shouldn't have let the LARPers at the same rally. That's like uniting the right with anchor that will sink all of it.
  15. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Today was Trump at his best: getting the (((media))) to freak out over hate stats. Look, nobody here supports running people over with cars, but Trump is undoubtedly right that a lot of these antifa people were violent and malicious. Also, his point about George Washington and Thomas Jefferson was totally reasonable. They’re going completely insane because they’ve lost control of the situation.

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  16. It’s a little-known fact that Hillary is a follower of the philosophy of sports figure Bob Gibson. First with Hillarycare, then in the 2008 and 2016 Presidential campaign, she’s employed the Gibson strategy. No, not the famous Cardinal pitcher. The Giants offensive coordinator.

    Bob Gibson sadly passed away in 2015, but his legacy continues.

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  17. @whorefinder
    Agreed, they're more like the Brownshirts. They even have the Ernie Rohm-gay-organization-as-street-thugs thing going on. Whoever's will BLM are doing, they should remember what happened to Rohm and the rest of his gay street fighters.

    bored identity agrees.

    Rohm totally looks like Bad Ape in that silly product placement Hugo Boss jacket :

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    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    Note that Penn State's Gary Schultz, convicted in the Jerry Sandusky pedophilia scandal, looks exactly like Ernst Rohm.

    http://www.statecollege.com/news/local-news/sandusky-trial-gary-schultzs-attorney-says-his-client-had-no-secret-files-on-jerry-sandusky,1065056/
  18. Stacy235l says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Unite The Right/Black Lives Matter is not a bad comparison -- I made it myself on Twitter over the weekend.

    But rather than Hillary's response, think of Obama's. He condemned the shooter, but he addressed BLM's grievance -- at a memorial for the dead cops, no less.

    I don't know if the world is ready for Trump to speak plainly about demographic replacement -- so far, the only person I've seen talk about that in the wake of Charlottesville was Varad Mehta -- but Trump did a pretty good job in Tuesday's presser in at least pointing out the violence on both sides.

    It's amazing that Trump is nearly alone in standing up for the principle that speech doesn't justify violence.

    https://twitter.com/varadmehta/status/896503788349132800

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/896932658172833792

    Unite The Right/Black Lives Matter is not a bad comparison

    Yes, it is a bad comparison. Unite the Right didn’t shoot anyone. Not even to defend themselves. Not one. Black Lives Matter were protected by the police, Unite the Right were not.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Right, Unite The Right didn't shoot anyone. Good point. But one of its attendees killed someone with a car.
  19. @G Pinfold
    Thanks Steve, Nice nostalgic moment from 2016 - the moment many of us realised Hillary was cooked.

    And Cruz was cooked the moment he blamed Trump for the violent thugs that shut down Trump’s own rally.

    Somehow these people made it to adulthood without mastering rudimentary human relations.

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  20. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Stacy235l
    Unite The Right/Black Lives Matter is not a bad comparison

    Yes, it is a bad comparison. Unite the Right didn't shoot anyone. Not even to defend themselves. Not one. Black Lives Matter were protected by the police, Unite the Right were not.

    Right, Unite The Right didn’t shoot anyone. Good point. But one of its attendees killed someone with a car.

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    • Replies: @eah
    But one of its attendees killed someone with a car.

    https://twitter.com/FrameGames/status/897426597636182017
    , @Stacy235l
    Right, Unite The Right didn’t shoot anyone. Good point. But one of its attendees killed someone with a car.

    You know full damn well that James Fields was running for his life. There are videos of that event all over the internet. Anyone can watch them and see that it was the leftist themselves caused it. If Unite the Right had actually wanted someone to die they would have used their guns. You know that. Stop being dishonest.
  21. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @eah
    a partially legitimate grievance

    Things to do: 1) look at the criminality of Blacks, including the huge disproportionality of black on white crime, especially killings and rape; 2) consider the societal costs/burden of the aforementioned criminality of Blacks; 3) ditto for the lack of black academic achievement, and hence their failure to contribute proportionately to the economy, leading to the need for enormous wealth transfers from Whites; 4) visit Liberia, where Whites are not allowed to be citizens, and which has been independent since about 1850, to see what Blacks are able to achieve on their own.

    I think Whites have very good reasons to have more than "a partially legitimate grievance" against Blacks. And I mean every fucking day of the year.

    Nice try at virtue signaling though -- at least your twitter account won't get 'shoahed'.

    I say what I think, under my own name. If I’m virtue signaling, I’m doing a bad job of it, as I had an NRO neckbeard practically call me a Nazi sympathizer over the weekend for objecting to a call for rally organizers to be “publicly flogged”.

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    • Replies: @Stacy235l
    I say what I think, under my own name.

    Unite the Right, at great risk of physical danger, actually went to Charlottesville to protest the planned removal of the Lee statue. You're an Internet warrior that uses his real name. Oh yeah, you definitely win on Pokeman points.

    I had an NRO neckbeard practically call me a Nazi sympathizer

    How did you ever recover?
  22. G Pinfold says:
    @Boethiuss
    BLM aren't Nazis.

    Yes. Because Nazis (actual Hitler reanactment geeks with Swastikas and Iron Crosses) are THE geo-political issue of the day? Didn’t Steve have a meme along the lines of ‘It’s always 1939 to some people. ‘

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Sometimes it's 1944.
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/897610817583165442
    , @fnn
    And the Antifa (who of course initiated the violence) are neo-Communists. Anyone remember what the original Communists were like?:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixfR7MSeFJE&t=11s
  23. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @anon
    So ....

    Even though CNN was fine with Hillary pandering to the cause of BLM, the American public wasn't.

    But Hillary was stuck with BLM and the inevitable horrible optics of their riots and looting and overall thuggery. Whether Wolf Blitzer was OK with it or not.

    Trump, on the other hand, has some supporters with disturbing optics. However, at least they are black mobs. And he isn't pissing off his base by condemning Nazis.

    MAGAs are deplorables, but aren't going to burn down their suburbs. The big issues speak for themselves. Orderly borders and enforcement of regulations. Hugely popular. More subtle issues like 'human biodiversity' ... the facts and DNA are reframing the debate.

    Right, the American public wasn’t. As I said, Obama did a better job of threading the needle than tin-eared Hillary did. But the mainstream media paroxysm over Trump’s Tuesday press conference gives you a sense of the echo chamber that was throwing Hillary off during her campaign.

    And yes, Trump has to defend MAGAs while shunning the Nazi LARPers. Not that he should have to! — the MAGAs shouldn’t have let the LARPers at the same rally. That’s like uniting the right with anchor that will sink all of it.

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    • Agree: NickG
    • Replies: @Nico

    And yes, Trump has to defend MAGAs while shunning the Nazi LARPers. Not that he should have to! — the MAGAs shouldn’t have let the LARPers at the same rally. That’s like uniting the right with anchor that will sink all of it.
     
    Yes, I will agree on this much. You can be a white nationalist, but Naziism and the KKK are just bad news any way you slice it. The left can get away with letting Bolshies and Che-fetishists run free because 1. they own the press and 2. they have no constructive values. When we take over we can suitably punish them in turn. We're still not up there.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    But the mainstream media paroxysm over Trump’s Tuesday press conference gives you a sense of the echo chamber that was throwing Hillary off during her campaign.
     
    No worries. Trump isn’t seizure-prone, collapsing Hillary.

    the MAGAs shouldn’t have let the LARPers at the same rally
     
    Uh, did you see who organized and headlined the rally? Or any of the promotional posters? It was unabashed White Nationalists. Basic MAGAs were welcome, of course, but anyone who was against any of the announced attendees or advertised vibe should have either stayed home or joined the “alt-left” mob.
    , @Alec Leamas

    And yes, Trump has to defend MAGAs while shunning the Nazi LARPers. Not that he should have to! — the MAGAs shouldn’t have let the LARPers at the same rally. That’s like uniting the right with anchor that will sink all of it.
     
    I think the opportunity that Trump missed was to focus on the vigilantism and the principle that we don't endorse self-appointed speech police to preempt speech - even NAZI speech - with violence. We entrust sworn Law Enforcement Officers solely with the authority to use force to remedy violent breaches of the peace. Period.
  24. Nico says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Unite The Right/Black Lives Matter is not a bad comparison -- I made it myself on Twitter over the weekend.

    But rather than Hillary's response, think of Obama's. He condemned the shooter, but he addressed BLM's grievance -- at a memorial for the dead cops, no less.

    I don't know if the world is ready for Trump to speak plainly about demographic replacement -- so far, the only person I've seen talk about that in the wake of Charlottesville was Varad Mehta -- but Trump did a pretty good job in Tuesday's presser in at least pointing out the violence on both sides.

    It's amazing that Trump is nearly alone in standing up for the principle that speech doesn't justify violence.

    https://twitter.com/varadmehta/status/896503788349132800

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/896932658172833792

    I would have said BLM was “born in the wake of a partially legitimate grievance about police brutality.” I am not aware that they ever at any point pursued that line in a worthwhile manner.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    I'd completely agree they didn't pursue it in a worthwhile manner. The smart tack would have been to not make it a racial issue, considering that whites have been the targets of police brutality too. And of course to not block traffic and otherwise engage in obnoxious, ineffective protests.
  25. Nico says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Right, the American public wasn't. As I said, Obama did a better job of threading the needle than tin-eared Hillary did. But the mainstream media paroxysm over Trump's Tuesday press conference gives you a sense of the echo chamber that was throwing Hillary off during her campaign.

    And yes, Trump has to defend MAGAs while shunning the Nazi LARPers. Not that he should have to! -- the MAGAs shouldn't have let the LARPers at the same rally. That's like uniting the right with anchor that will sink all of it.

    And yes, Trump has to defend MAGAs while shunning the Nazi LARPers. Not that he should have to! — the MAGAs shouldn’t have let the LARPers at the same rally. That’s like uniting the right with anchor that will sink all of it.

    Yes, I will agree on this much. You can be a white nationalist, but Naziism and the KKK are just bad news any way you slice it. The left can get away with letting Bolshies and Che-fetishists run free because 1. they own the press and 2. they have no constructive values. When we take over we can suitably punish them in turn. We’re still not up there.

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    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna

    You can be a white nationalist, but Naziism and the KKK are just bad news any way you slice it.
     
    This is precisely why the MSM instantly and universally tries to connect and conflate any hint of white identity with 1) white nationalism then 2) white supremacism then 3) KKK then 4) Nazis!

    With the masses, it works. Why else does the Establishment and its Media call anything they don't like "Nazi"? It works. Many political disputes in this country now devolve into a contest to see who can call "Nazi!" first and loudest.

    And so, yes, it's dispiriting to see LARP kooks giving them ready ammunition. But then so does anyone who uses the term "antifa" to describe their hoodlums. But kooks, as the Good Lord said, ye will always have with ye. What're ya gonna do? It's in the Bible, somewhere towards the back.

  26. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @G Pinfold
    Yes. Because Nazis (actual Hitler reanactment geeks with Swastikas and Iron Crosses) are THE geo-political issue of the day? Didn't Steve have a meme along the lines of 'It's always 1939 to some people. '

    Sometimes it’s 1944.

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    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The Red Army still the Rodney Dangerfield of WWII in the West, despite being mostly responsible for defeating the Nazis.
     
    Yikes. Are those troops from the same Soviet government the caused the Holodomor and invaded Poland, Finland, and the Baltic States?

    Dave: “I tell ya, they get no respect!”
    , @G Pinfold
    LOL. Bring back the draft. Antifa and transsexuals first on the beach.
  27. @Jean Ralphio
    I think Trump's press conference today is the best moment he's had since he announced his candidacy.
    No other president in the past fifty years would have defended the people protesting the removal of the statue, and no white politician today would have had the guts to point out the difference between the normal people protesting the removal and the neo-nazis protesting alongside them, and Trump did this with two Jewish guys and an Asian lady standing next to him. Watching the press take words Trump had just said and twist them into something he didn't say and then asking him to defend them was pretty surreal. It's in stark contrast to when Obama was lecturing reporters about racism as Baltimore was burning.

    Couldn’t agree with you more. The man is objectionable in a dozen ways or more, but that’s real courage. Or moxie, as some like to say.

    All we need is for the MSM to come out and call it ‘cowardly’ and the identification of it as genuine courage will be complete. (Probably already happened, for all I know.) But any of us can see it already for what it is.

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  28. @Nico

    And yes, Trump has to defend MAGAs while shunning the Nazi LARPers. Not that he should have to! — the MAGAs shouldn’t have let the LARPers at the same rally. That’s like uniting the right with anchor that will sink all of it.
     
    Yes, I will agree on this much. You can be a white nationalist, but Naziism and the KKK are just bad news any way you slice it. The left can get away with letting Bolshies and Che-fetishists run free because 1. they own the press and 2. they have no constructive values. When we take over we can suitably punish them in turn. We're still not up there.

    You can be a white nationalist, but Naziism and the KKK are just bad news any way you slice it.

    This is precisely why the MSM instantly and universally tries to connect and conflate any hint of white identity with 1) white nationalism then 2) white supremacism then 3) KKK then 4) Nazis!

    With the masses, it works. Why else does the Establishment and its Media call anything they don’t like “Nazi”? It works. Many political disputes in this country now devolve into a contest to see who can call “Nazi!” first and loudest.

    And so, yes, it’s dispiriting to see LARP kooks giving them ready ammunition. But then so does anyone who uses the term “antifa” to describe their hoodlums. But kooks, as the Good Lord said, ye will always have with ye. What’re ya gonna do? It’s in the Bible, somewhere towards the back.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    This is precisely why the MSM instantly and universally tries to connect and conflate any hint of white identity with 1) white nationalism then 2) white supremacism then 3) KKK then 4) Nazis!
     
    Kyle, Unite The Right made that easy for them, by inviting neo-Nazis to the party. Just a dumb move.
    , @Nico
    I think we agree. The left has communications down to a "T": all those centuries of controlling the press don't yield *nothing* in terms of experience capital. "Anti-Fascist"? Well, if you put it that way, who's going to disagree? At some point the way they stage it it becomes logical for their primary opponents to don the colors of actual fascists. A cynic might say that at some point it may become necessary. I'm not sure, myself, but the future doesn't look very promising.
  29. @El Dato
    Nazis have a political agenda. BLM just wants to shop & shut down (even in Canada and the UK, FFS!)

    Meanwhile:

    Is Switzerland being softened up for a Cultural Diversification Programme?

    After Haaretz detected parochialism and racism, we now have Bad Signs in Hotels:

    https://www.rt.com/news/399668-swiss-hotel-jewish-signs/

    Was gonna be suitably shocked, shocked by the notes, but then you read more on the context, and then you encounter this:

    The notes have been condemned by Israel’s deputy foreign minister, Tzipi Hotovely, who called them “an anti-Semitic act of the worst and ugliest kind.”

    So the two notes are worse than, say, the holocaust? Well, good that we have that settled now.

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  30. Beegsg says:

    Full quote:
    “We need to do more to look into implicit bias and we need to do more to respect and protect our police. Look at what happened in Dallas. Those police officers were protecting a peaceful protest, a protest of authority, that is a hallmark of America. And when the shooting started and everyone else was fleeing, the police were moving toward danger.”

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  31. Beeesgs says:
    @2Mintzin1
    Harry Turtledove must write an alternative history about the H. Clinton presidency...can you imagine what the country would be like today if this creature was in charge?

    Yeah, there’d still be the 4.2 unemployment rate that was engineered by the last two years of Obama, but on the other hand, there would be relative peace and quiet, no endless but understandable anti-Trump protests, no idiotic daily controversies and insults, no alt-right rallies, no pussy hats, and, I guess, Paul Ryan would be in the back somewhere seeing if he can fish out another detail about Benghazi.

    Oh, and James Comey would still be FBI director. I guess he screwed himself over on that tone.

    Hillary’s sole campaign ad should have been any random picture of Donald Trump, scored by a loop of the Carrie audiotrack of the line “They’re all gonna laugh at you”. And they are.

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  32. @Dave Pinsen
    Right, the American public wasn't. As I said, Obama did a better job of threading the needle than tin-eared Hillary did. But the mainstream media paroxysm over Trump's Tuesday press conference gives you a sense of the echo chamber that was throwing Hillary off during her campaign.

    And yes, Trump has to defend MAGAs while shunning the Nazi LARPers. Not that he should have to! -- the MAGAs shouldn't have let the LARPers at the same rally. That's like uniting the right with anchor that will sink all of it.

    But the mainstream media paroxysm over Trump’s Tuesday press conference gives you a sense of the echo chamber that was throwing Hillary off during her campaign.

    No worries. Trump isn’t seizure-prone, collapsing Hillary.

    the MAGAs shouldn’t have let the LARPers at the same rally

    Uh, did you see who organized and headlined the rally? Or any of the promotional posters? It was unabashed White Nationalists. Basic MAGAs were welcome, of course, but anyone who was against any of the announced attendees or advertised vibe should have either stayed home or joined the “alt-left” mob.

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    • Replies: @Cloud of Probable Matricide
    There would be no rallies defending our heritage if it weren't for the hard/alt right.

    The so-called right has thoroughly cucked for most of our lives.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Fair enough, then the MAGA types and southern heritage guys shouldn't have gone.
  33. @Dave Pinsen
    Sometimes it's 1944.
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/897610817583165442

    The Red Army still the Rodney Dangerfield of WWII in the West, despite being mostly responsible for defeating the Nazis.

    Yikes. Are those troops from the same Soviet government the caused the Holodomor and invaded Poland, Finland, and the Baltic States?

    Dave: “I tell ya, they get no respect!”

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    • Agree: San Fernando Curt
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Only so much I can squeeze into 140 characters, but I'll expand here.

    The main point I was trying to get across was that the allied troops landing at Normandy obviously weren't the closest WWII analogue of the alt-left. For that matter, the Red Army wasn't either, though at least they had the right flag. Most of those guys weren't ideologues. The alt-left is closer in spirit to the NKVD.

    But even that is silly. Today's Antifa don't run Gulags, and today's Nazi LARPers don't run concentration camps. But acting as if Charlottesville is a replay of WWII lets the left and cuckservatives gun their outrage throttles and go nuts.
    , @Anon
    Yes, they were. But keep in mind the Soviet Union was an appalling authoritarian state. If you were in the army and didn't want to do any of these things, your superiors would have had you shot. During World War II, political officers were imbeded in the army ranks to make sure the regular officer corps obeyed Stalin's orders, or their heads would roll.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    A much more successful effort than mine at pointing out the ludicrousness of comparing today's alt-left to the invaders at Normandy.
    https://twitter.com/neontaster/status/897847452597964800
  34. G Pinfold says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Sometimes it's 1944.
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/897610817583165442

    LOL. Bring back the draft. Antifa and transsexuals first on the beach.

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  35. Lurker says:
    @Jean Ralphio
    I think Trump's press conference today is the best moment he's had since he announced his candidacy.
    No other president in the past fifty years would have defended the people protesting the removal of the statue, and no white politician today would have had the guts to point out the difference between the normal people protesting the removal and the neo-nazis protesting alongside them, and Trump did this with two Jewish guys and an Asian lady standing next to him. Watching the press take words Trump had just said and twist them into something he didn't say and then asking him to defend them was pretty surreal. It's in stark contrast to when Obama was lecturing reporters about racism as Baltimore was burning.

    Agreed.

    What’s also been surreal has the developing narrative that the alt-right killed two police officers. The alt-right having developed an unexpected anti-aircraft capability apparently. However actual proof remains somewhat scarce or non-existent.

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  36. jroll says:

    Never heard of this (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Fresno_shootings) until after this Charlottesville thing.

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    • Replies: @Amigo
    The PGE worker was a antifa sympathizer. I f he had lived he might have learned something.

    https://altright.com/2017/04/20/antifa-killed-by-anti-white-muslim/
  37. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    But the mainstream media paroxysm over Trump’s Tuesday press conference gives you a sense of the echo chamber that was throwing Hillary off during her campaign.
     
    No worries. Trump isn’t seizure-prone, collapsing Hillary.

    the MAGAs shouldn’t have let the LARPers at the same rally
     
    Uh, did you see who organized and headlined the rally? Or any of the promotional posters? It was unabashed White Nationalists. Basic MAGAs were welcome, of course, but anyone who was against any of the announced attendees or advertised vibe should have either stayed home or joined the “alt-left” mob.

    There would be no rallies defending our heritage if it weren’t for the hard/alt right.

    The so-called right has thoroughly cucked for most of our lives.

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  38. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Nico
    I would have said BLM was "born in the wake of a partially legitimate grievance about police brutality." I am not aware that they ever at any point pursued that line in a worthwhile manner.

    I’d completely agree they didn’t pursue it in a worthwhile manner. The smart tack would have been to not make it a racial issue, considering that whites have been the targets of police brutality too. And of course to not block traffic and otherwise engage in obnoxious, ineffective protests.

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  39. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The Red Army still the Rodney Dangerfield of WWII in the West, despite being mostly responsible for defeating the Nazis.
     
    Yikes. Are those troops from the same Soviet government the caused the Holodomor and invaded Poland, Finland, and the Baltic States?

    Dave: “I tell ya, they get no respect!”

    Only so much I can squeeze into 140 characters, but I’ll expand here.

    The main point I was trying to get across was that the allied troops landing at Normandy obviously weren’t the closest WWII analogue of the alt-left. For that matter, the Red Army wasn’t either, though at least they had the right flag. Most of those guys weren’t ideologues. The alt-left is closer in spirit to the NKVD.

    But even that is silly. Today’s Antifa don’t run Gulags, and today’s Nazi LARPers don’t run concentration camps. But acting as if Charlottesville is a replay of WWII lets the left and cuckservatives gun their outrage throttles and go nuts.

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    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    I’m not generally a fan of ‘shock-value’ LARPing myself, but if they’re causing “the left and cuckservatives to gun their outrage throttles and go nuts,” that’s a good thing. Looks like those hard-core bros are the only ones physically standing up against the erasure of history.

    Cuckservatives who are more appalled by Nazi LARPing than the erosion of law and order and the First Amendment deserve whatever totalitarian government ends up dropping on their heads.
    , @Stacy235l
    But acting as if Charlottesville is a replay of WWII lets the left and cuckservatives gun their outrage throttles and go nuts.

    It wasn't *WWII, but the way the State and City governments/Police worked with Antifa/BLM/LaRaza etc. to deny the rights/attack those people was a blatant act of war. Most Americans know this even if they don't feel secure enough to say it. You seem to be denying it only because you dislike Unite the Right. Or are you just a hand ringer?



    *Because that ended 72 years ago.
  40. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Kyle McKenna

    You can be a white nationalist, but Naziism and the KKK are just bad news any way you slice it.
     
    This is precisely why the MSM instantly and universally tries to connect and conflate any hint of white identity with 1) white nationalism then 2) white supremacism then 3) KKK then 4) Nazis!

    With the masses, it works. Why else does the Establishment and its Media call anything they don't like "Nazi"? It works. Many political disputes in this country now devolve into a contest to see who can call "Nazi!" first and loudest.

    And so, yes, it's dispiriting to see LARP kooks giving them ready ammunition. But then so does anyone who uses the term "antifa" to describe their hoodlums. But kooks, as the Good Lord said, ye will always have with ye. What're ya gonna do? It's in the Bible, somewhere towards the back.

    This is precisely why the MSM instantly and universally tries to connect and conflate any hint of white identity with 1) white nationalism then 2) white supremacism then 3) KKK then 4) Nazis!

    Kyle, Unite The Right made that easy for them, by inviting neo-Nazis to the party. Just a dumb move.

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    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    Agreed; if accurate. Would you please provide proof that Mr Kessler explicitly invited neo-nazis to the event? I have searched online just now and can't find anything remotely conclusive, just a bunch of slander and guilt-by-association attacks. The prevailing Establishment calls most anything they don't like "nazi" so that's not good enough.
    , @Stacy235l
    Unite The Right made that easy for them, by inviting neo-Nazis to the party. Just a dumb move.

    You seem to have "Nazi" obsession. Your constant crying Nazi won't insulate you from being called that yourself. I know you'll insist that your just bravely saying whatever you want and not just a*s covering, but I've seen this too many times before. It looks as if you still hope to remain at least semi-respectable.

    Respectable = Cucked. Semi-Respectable + Semi-Cucked.

    Cucks lose.

  41. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    But the mainstream media paroxysm over Trump’s Tuesday press conference gives you a sense of the echo chamber that was throwing Hillary off during her campaign.
     
    No worries. Trump isn’t seizure-prone, collapsing Hillary.

    the MAGAs shouldn’t have let the LARPers at the same rally
     
    Uh, did you see who organized and headlined the rally? Or any of the promotional posters? It was unabashed White Nationalists. Basic MAGAs were welcome, of course, but anyone who was against any of the announced attendees or advertised vibe should have either stayed home or joined the “alt-left” mob.

    Fair enough, then the MAGA types and southern heritage guys shouldn’t have gone.

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    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Fair enough, then the MAGA types and southern heritage guys shouldn’t have gone.
     
    Well, the event was called Unite The Right. Apparently some attending MAGAs and Southern Heritage people were fine with the concept. I think there are many, many MAGA types around the country (who would never wave a Nazi flag or even attend a rally to save Confederate monuments) that nonetheless respect unified action in the face of a greater threat.

    I think we both agree that strife is not a desirable thing. I’d rather not have to think about any of this stuff, but no one can escape identity politics. And it’s the left that’s pushing it to the point of no return.
    , @Steve Sailer
    It was a persistent problem for anti-Iraq War protesters 15 years ago that also sorts of fringe extremists would show up for the demonstrations. That did a lot to hurt a sensible cause. But how do you stop them from showing up?
    , @Stacy235l
    then the MAGA types and southern heritage guys shouldn’t have gone

    They went because the future belongs to those who show up, not keyboard warriors.

    You can't wait for a perfect rally/protest. There isn't gonna be one.
  42. @Dave Pinsen

    This is precisely why the MSM instantly and universally tries to connect and conflate any hint of white identity with 1) white nationalism then 2) white supremacism then 3) KKK then 4) Nazis!
     
    Kyle, Unite The Right made that easy for them, by inviting neo-Nazis to the party. Just a dumb move.

    Agreed; if accurate. Would you please provide proof that Mr Kessler explicitly invited neo-nazis to the event? I have searched online just now and can’t find anything remotely conclusive, just a bunch of slander and guilt-by-association attacks. The prevailing Establishment calls most anything they don’t like “nazi” so that’s not good enough.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Kyle,

    He invited folks like Matt Heimbach, which is close enough. You can argue otherwise, but that seems a pointless hill to die on.
  43. @Dave Pinsen
    Only so much I can squeeze into 140 characters, but I'll expand here.

    The main point I was trying to get across was that the allied troops landing at Normandy obviously weren't the closest WWII analogue of the alt-left. For that matter, the Red Army wasn't either, though at least they had the right flag. Most of those guys weren't ideologues. The alt-left is closer in spirit to the NKVD.

    But even that is silly. Today's Antifa don't run Gulags, and today's Nazi LARPers don't run concentration camps. But acting as if Charlottesville is a replay of WWII lets the left and cuckservatives gun their outrage throttles and go nuts.

    I’m not generally a fan of ‘shock-value’ LARPing myself, but if they’re causing “the left and cuckservatives to gun their outrage throttles and go nuts,” that’s a good thing. Looks like those hard-core bros are the only ones physically standing up against the erasure of history.

    Cuckservatives who are more appalled by Nazi LARPing than the erosion of law and order and the First Amendment deserve whatever totalitarian government ends up dropping on their heads.

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  44. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The Red Army still the Rodney Dangerfield of WWII in the West, despite being mostly responsible for defeating the Nazis.
     
    Yikes. Are those troops from the same Soviet government the caused the Holodomor and invaded Poland, Finland, and the Baltic States?

    Dave: “I tell ya, they get no respect!”

    Yes, they were. But keep in mind the Soviet Union was an appalling authoritarian state. If you were in the army and didn’t want to do any of these things, your superiors would have had you shot. During World War II, political officers were imbeded in the army ranks to make sure the regular officer corps obeyed Stalin’s orders, or their heads would roll.

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  45. eah says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Right, Unite The Right didn't shoot anyone. Good point. But one of its attendees killed someone with a car.

    But one of its attendees killed someone with a car.

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  46. @Dave Pinsen
    Fair enough, then the MAGA types and southern heritage guys shouldn't have gone.

    Fair enough, then the MAGA types and southern heritage guys shouldn’t have gone.

    Well, the event was called Unite The Right. Apparently some attending MAGAs and Southern Heritage people were fine with the concept. I think there are many, many MAGA types around the country (who would never wave a Nazi flag or even attend a rally to save Confederate monuments) that nonetheless respect unified action in the face of a greater threat.

    I think we both agree that strife is not a desirable thing. I’d rather not have to think about any of this stuff, but no one can escape identity politics. And it’s the left that’s pushing it to the point of no return.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius

    And it’s the left that’s pushing it to the point of no return.
     
    I'm not sure that's the case. Seems like the globalists are the main pushers. We may need the Left before long to counter them.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    6 months into the Trump's first term seems a dumb time to promote white nationalism, IMO, even if that's your position. Give Trumpism/Steve's Citizenism a shot first, and get ~80% of what you want first.

    What I'd like to see is an acknowledgement that the country's demographic trend has been a political decision, not an act of nature, and to have a political discussion about what the demographic balance should be in the future. Something maybe halfway between where we are now and where we were pre-1965 seems like a reasonable goal to me, one you might be able to get a majority behind after you got this subject into the Overton window. But Unite The Right pushes the subject in the opposite direction.
  47. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Fair enough, then the MAGA types and southern heritage guys shouldn’t have gone.
     
    Well, the event was called Unite The Right. Apparently some attending MAGAs and Southern Heritage people were fine with the concept. I think there are many, many MAGA types around the country (who would never wave a Nazi flag or even attend a rally to save Confederate monuments) that nonetheless respect unified action in the face of a greater threat.

    I think we both agree that strife is not a desirable thing. I’d rather not have to think about any of this stuff, but no one can escape identity politics. And it’s the left that’s pushing it to the point of no return.

    And it’s the left that’s pushing it to the point of no return.

    I’m not sure that’s the case. Seems like the globalists are the main pushers. We may need the Left before long to counter them.

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    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Yes, there may be some welcome new alliances in the future.
  48. If the Dems don’t denounce antifa and don’t denounce Black Lives Matter, you guys shouldn’t be denouncing the non-ironic nazis.

    And if you for whatever cucky reason you feel compelled to condemn the driver who accidentally killed an antifa in self defense as he was being attacked, can you at least state unequivocally that he does not represent the entire group?

    Take your own side.

    Yeah, we know, the nazi look is bad for normies, but Christ, stop cucking about it. Even if not a single swastika showed up, the rally would have been called a neo nazi rally. And if all of /our guys/ have the discipline to forgo the swastika, the enemy will send in plants or just photoshop swastikas in. John Fucking McCain was called a nazi. George W Bush before that.

    You can’t win by repeating the enemy talking points.

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    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
    Exactly. Who needs the left and msm to attack us when cucks like Pinsen will do it for them?

    You may not agree with everything the far right says or does but for fuck's sake then just keep quiet about it. One of the strengths of the left is they never punch left. When their more extreme cousins speak or show up at rallies they just keep quiet about it and move on (all the while agreeing with and supporting them of course).
  49. @Dave Pinsen
    Fair enough, then the MAGA types and southern heritage guys shouldn't have gone.

    It was a persistent problem for anti-Iraq War protesters 15 years ago that also sorts of fringe extremists would show up for the demonstrations. That did a lot to hurt a sensible cause. But how do you stop them from showing up?

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    • Replies: @the cruncher
    > But how do you stop them from showing up?

    You can't, but you can have signs with an arrow one way or another that says, "Not with us" / "Not one of us" and follow them around with it.
    , @Paul Jolliffe
    Especially if some of the "extremists" are , in fact, agents provocateur, doing exactly the kind of crap that alienates neutral observers.

    Nothing new.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymirror/2009/05/crowd-battles-lapd-as-war-protest-turns-violent-.html
    , @Stacy235l
    But how do you stop them from showing up?

    You can't, so there's no point worrying too much about it. The left doesn't *worry much about theirs and they usually win. One reason The Donald won last year is that he did far less hand ringing than mainstream republicans.


    * To say the least.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Jenner Ickham Errican made a good point above about the flyer for the rally. Here it is. I guess you can't stop them from rallying in front of the statue, but maybe you can rally there on another day.
  50. @Boethiuss
    BLM aren't Nazis.

    These NAZIs aren’t even NAZIs. They’re LARPing with swastikas because they think it’s edgy and scares the left.

    I assure you, the territorial integrity of Poland is not in danger.

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  51. @Desiderius

    And it’s the left that’s pushing it to the point of no return.
     
    I'm not sure that's the case. Seems like the globalists are the main pushers. We may need the Left before long to counter them.

    Yes, there may be some welcome new alliances in the future.

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  52. Any time the left says Nazi, ask them why Obama supported Nazis in taking over Ukraine.

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    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
    27 year old,

    Word up. But do remember that it was Hillary's pit bull, "Cookie Monster" Neuland, who helped work that magic with Hillz blessing in Ukraine. Me, I will never forgive these bitches for what happened at the Trade Unions House when the Nazis butchered those poor people, and then set fire to it to cover up their crimes. Oh, and you can lay a lot of the deaths in Syria, and pretty much all of the unshirted hell let loose in Libya (they're interrelated, as Seymour Hersh documented) at the doorstep of that psychotic bitch, Hillary. She has no problem at all working with neo-nazis or jihadi murderers if it advances her horrifying agenda. May she burn in hell.
  53. @Dave Pinsen
    Right, the American public wasn't. As I said, Obama did a better job of threading the needle than tin-eared Hillary did. But the mainstream media paroxysm over Trump's Tuesday press conference gives you a sense of the echo chamber that was throwing Hillary off during her campaign.

    And yes, Trump has to defend MAGAs while shunning the Nazi LARPers. Not that he should have to! -- the MAGAs shouldn't have let the LARPers at the same rally. That's like uniting the right with anchor that will sink all of it.

    And yes, Trump has to defend MAGAs while shunning the Nazi LARPers. Not that he should have to! — the MAGAs shouldn’t have let the LARPers at the same rally. That’s like uniting the right with anchor that will sink all of it.

    I think the opportunity that Trump missed was to focus on the vigilantism and the principle that we don’t endorse self-appointed speech police to preempt speech – even NAZI speech – with violence. We entrust sworn Law Enforcement Officers solely with the authority to use force to remedy violent breaches of the peace. Period.

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    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
    Well said, but that is not okay with the new authoritarians of the left/globalists. The world is their apple, and anyone who disputes this is just a worm in that apple suitable in their book only for suppression of their speech and their freedom of action.

    Of course, if the police accept being told to "stand down" when violent breaches of the peace are happening right in front of their eyes, then they have made themselves complicit in enforcing that agenda by ignoring their sworn duty. Cops are only your friends when they act in defense of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, otherwise not; and there are too many historical instances when their diligence in that defense has been shown to be selective at best, and blatantly ignored at worst, to give them the benefit of the doubt.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Agreed, Trump should have made that point clearly too.

    It's really amazing how people like Mitt Romney are legitimizing violence against speech, particularly when he was called a racist, a bigot, and worse in 2012.
  54. fnn says:
    @G Pinfold
    Yes. Because Nazis (actual Hitler reanactment geeks with Swastikas and Iron Crosses) are THE geo-political issue of the day? Didn't Steve have a meme along the lines of 'It's always 1939 to some people. '

    And the Antifa (who of course initiated the violence) are neo-Communists. Anyone remember what the original Communists were like?:

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  55. @Steve Sailer
    It was a persistent problem for anti-Iraq War protesters 15 years ago that also sorts of fringe extremists would show up for the demonstrations. That did a lot to hurt a sensible cause. But how do you stop them from showing up?

    > But how do you stop them from showing up?

    You can’t, but you can have signs with an arrow one way or another that says, “Not with us” / “Not one of us” and follow them around with it.

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  56. @27 year old
    Any time the left says Nazi, ask them why Obama supported Nazis in taking over Ukraine.

    27 year old,

    Word up. But do remember that it was Hillary’s pit bull, “Cookie Monster” Neuland, who helped work that magic with Hillz blessing in Ukraine. Me, I will never forgive these bitches for what happened at the Trade Unions House when the Nazis butchered those poor people, and then set fire to it to cover up their crimes. Oh, and you can lay a lot of the deaths in Syria, and pretty much all of the unshirted hell let loose in Libya (they’re interrelated, as Seymour Hersh documented) at the doorstep of that psychotic bitch, Hillary. She has no problem at all working with neo-nazis or jihadi murderers if it advances her horrifying agenda. May she burn in hell.

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  57. @Alec Leamas

    And yes, Trump has to defend MAGAs while shunning the Nazi LARPers. Not that he should have to! — the MAGAs shouldn’t have let the LARPers at the same rally. That’s like uniting the right with anchor that will sink all of it.
     
    I think the opportunity that Trump missed was to focus on the vigilantism and the principle that we don't endorse self-appointed speech police to preempt speech - even NAZI speech - with violence. We entrust sworn Law Enforcement Officers solely with the authority to use force to remedy violent breaches of the peace. Period.

    Well said, but that is not okay with the new authoritarians of the left/globalists. The world is their apple, and anyone who disputes this is just a worm in that apple suitable in their book only for suppression of their speech and their freedom of action.

    Of course, if the police accept being told to “stand down” when violent breaches of the peace are happening right in front of their eyes, then they have made themselves complicit in enforcing that agenda by ignoring their sworn duty. Cops are only your friends when they act in defense of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, otherwise not; and there are too many historical instances when their diligence in that defense has been shown to be selective at best, and blatantly ignored at worst, to give them the benefit of the doubt.

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  58. @27 year old
    If the Dems don't denounce antifa and don't denounce Black Lives Matter, you guys shouldn't be denouncing the non-ironic nazis.

    And if you for whatever cucky reason you feel compelled to condemn the driver who accidentally killed an antifa in self defense as he was being attacked, can you at least state unequivocally that he does not represent the entire group?

    Take your own side.

    Yeah, we know, the nazi look is bad for normies, but Christ, stop cucking about it. Even if not a single swastika showed up, the rally would have been called a neo nazi rally. And if all of /our guys/ have the discipline to forgo the swastika, the enemy will send in plants or just photoshop swastikas in. John Fucking McCain was called a nazi. George W Bush before that.

    You can't win by repeating the enemy talking points.

    Exactly. Who needs the left and msm to attack us when cucks like Pinsen will do it for them?

    You may not agree with everything the far right says or does but for fuck’s sake then just keep quiet about it. One of the strengths of the left is they never punch left. When their more extreme cousins speak or show up at rallies they just keep quiet about it and move on (all the while agreeing with and supporting them of course).

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  59. @bored identity
    bored identity agrees.

    Rohm totally looks like Bad Ape in that silly product placement Hugo Boss jacket :


    http://minden_games.homestead.com/Fall_of_Rohm_jpg_xs.jpg

    Note that Penn State’s Gary Schultz, convicted in the Jerry Sandusky pedophilia scandal, looks exactly like Ernst Rohm.

    http://www.statecollege.com/news/local-news/sandusky-trial-gary-schultzs-attorney-says-his-client-had-no-secret-files-on-jerry-sandusky,1065056/

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  60. @Steve Sailer
    It was a persistent problem for anti-Iraq War protesters 15 years ago that also sorts of fringe extremists would show up for the demonstrations. That did a lot to hurt a sensible cause. But how do you stop them from showing up?

    Especially if some of the “extremists” are , in fact, agents provocateur, doing exactly the kind of crap that alienates neutral observers.

    Nothing new.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymirror/2009/05/crowd-battles-lapd-as-war-protest-turns-violent-.html

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  61. HBD Guy says:

    Clinton would say anything she needed to, in order to get more Black votes.

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  62. Amigo says:
    @jroll
    Never heard of this (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Fresno_shootings) until after this Charlottesville thing.

    The PGE worker was a antifa sympathizer. I f he had lived he might have learned something.

    https://altright.com/2017/04/20/antifa-killed-by-anti-white-muslim/

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  63. Brutusale says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Unite The Right/Black Lives Matter is not a bad comparison -- I made it myself on Twitter over the weekend.

    But rather than Hillary's response, think of Obama's. He condemned the shooter, but he addressed BLM's grievance -- at a memorial for the dead cops, no less.

    I don't know if the world is ready for Trump to speak plainly about demographic replacement -- so far, the only person I've seen talk about that in the wake of Charlottesville was Varad Mehta -- but Trump did a pretty good job in Tuesday's presser in at least pointing out the violence on both sides.

    It's amazing that Trump is nearly alone in standing up for the principle that speech doesn't justify violence.

    https://twitter.com/varadmehta/status/896503788349132800

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/896932658172833792

    Definitely not an apt comparison unless Unite the Right chants “You CANNOT replace us!”.

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  64. Stacy235l says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Right, Unite The Right didn't shoot anyone. Good point. But one of its attendees killed someone with a car.

    Right, Unite The Right didn’t shoot anyone. Good point. But one of its attendees killed someone with a car.

    You know full damn well that James Fields was running for his life. There are videos of that event all over the internet. Anyone can watch them and see that it was the leftist themselves caused it. If Unite the Right had actually wanted someone to die they would have used their guns. You know that. Stop being dishonest.

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  65. Stacy235l says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    I say what I think, under my own name. If I'm virtue signaling, I'm doing a bad job of it, as I had an NRO neckbeard practically call me a Nazi sympathizer over the weekend for objecting to a call for rally organizers to be "publicly flogged".

    I say what I think, under my own name.

    Unite the Right, at great risk of physical danger, actually went to Charlottesville to protest the planned removal of the Lee statue. You’re an Internet warrior that uses his real name. Oh yeah, you definitely win on Pokeman points.

    I had an NRO neckbeard practically call me a Nazi sympathizer

    How did you ever recover?

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Unite The Right caused the rest of the right huge political damage while getting someone killed. But they (and Antifa) did risk physical danger, that's true.

    How many Pokemon points to you award yourself for being a pseudonymous keyboard warrior?
  66. Stacy235l says:
    @Steve Sailer
    It was a persistent problem for anti-Iraq War protesters 15 years ago that also sorts of fringe extremists would show up for the demonstrations. That did a lot to hurt a sensible cause. But how do you stop them from showing up?

    But how do you stop them from showing up?

    You can’t, so there’s no point worrying too much about it. The left doesn’t *worry much about theirs and they usually win. One reason The Donald won last year is that he did far less hand ringing than mainstream republicans.

    * To say the least.

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  67. anon says: • Disclaimer

    There is no way to spin this as a victory. Or a draw. Or not that bad.

    When I worked for a ‘powerful corporation’ I can promise you they didn’t feel powerful. Because they had to answer to pesky shareholders. And regulators. And on and on. Not to mention all their competitors, who are pulling crap with lobbyists and being bad.

    The right? Whatever it is. It isn’t stuck with blacks as its core constituency. Even if Hillary had wanted to totally shut down BLM, its not like she could. Not to mention that sometimes blacks are just going to riot without permission. Plus they have baggage. I don’t think I need to elaborate.

    And then you have the facts, which keep accumulating. One reason the left is so nutty is that it simply doesn’t have the facts on its side. Nature/nurture is going to be settled with DNA, not discredited frequentist statistics and p-hacking. No one believes the racial gap will be closed through innovation or funding. Sustainability fanatics — very Portlandia — are getting a clue about Africa birthrates. The left can’t have a conversation on race, because people finally believe their lying eyes. So they try to suppress discussion, but its a sign of weakness.

    The left is stuck with the black problem. They seem to have magically turned it into an advantage. But really. Hillary either ran focus groups with BLM footage. Or skipped it because it wouldn’t have mattered. But she was stuck with them anyway.

    If your base isn’t the least successful and most violent part of the American population — then why not consider it an advantage? When you are dealing with a population in the 10s of millions, you are going to have some problem people. The past is the past, and this is no worse than other stuff. But overall, there is no reason to throw away this advantage for nothing.

    What if George Soros had hired the LARPing Nazis? Maybe he did. But he didn’t have to.

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  68. Stacy235l says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Only so much I can squeeze into 140 characters, but I'll expand here.

    The main point I was trying to get across was that the allied troops landing at Normandy obviously weren't the closest WWII analogue of the alt-left. For that matter, the Red Army wasn't either, though at least they had the right flag. Most of those guys weren't ideologues. The alt-left is closer in spirit to the NKVD.

    But even that is silly. Today's Antifa don't run Gulags, and today's Nazi LARPers don't run concentration camps. But acting as if Charlottesville is a replay of WWII lets the left and cuckservatives gun their outrage throttles and go nuts.

    But acting as if Charlottesville is a replay of WWII lets the left and cuckservatives gun their outrage throttles and go nuts.

    It wasn’t *WWII, but the way the State and City governments/Police worked with Antifa/BLM/LaRaza etc. to deny the rights/attack those people was a blatant act of war. Most Americans know this even if they don’t feel secure enough to say it. You seem to be denying it only because you dislike Unite the Right. Or are you just a hand ringer?

    *Because that ended 72 years ago.

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  69. Stacy235l says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Fair enough, then the MAGA types and southern heritage guys shouldn't have gone.

    then the MAGA types and southern heritage guys shouldn’t have gone

    They went because the future belongs to those who show up, not keyboard warriors.

    You can’t wait for a perfect rally/protest. There isn’t gonna be one.

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    Stacy2351,

    You have pretty strong opinions for someone with 11 comments on this site. What's your other handle, and why are you afraid of leaving these comments under it?
  70. Stacy235l says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    This is precisely why the MSM instantly and universally tries to connect and conflate any hint of white identity with 1) white nationalism then 2) white supremacism then 3) KKK then 4) Nazis!
     
    Kyle, Unite The Right made that easy for them, by inviting neo-Nazis to the party. Just a dumb move.

    Unite The Right made that easy for them, by inviting neo-Nazis to the party. Just a dumb move.

    You seem to have “Nazi” obsession. Your constant crying Nazi won’t insulate you from being called that yourself. I know you’ll insist that your just bravely saying whatever you want and not just a*s covering, but I’ve seen this too many times before. It looks as if you still hope to remain at least semi-respectable.

    Respectable = Cucked. Semi-Respectable + Semi-Cucked.

    Cucks lose.

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  71. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Kyle McKenna
    Two words: Political Calculus.

    AKA: "Hillary Clinton." Funny thing though, in 2016 her 'unerring' political instincts erred. “White people in America need to do a much better job of listening when African Americans talk.”

    What's wrong with you white people anyway?

    What “political instincts?” She didn’t have any. That was her problem. We’re talking about bloodless technocrat who was more at home speaking before the throng at the Harvard/JFK School than before the Little Platoons (as Edmund Burke would have called “ordinary” citizens). That’s one reason why she didn’t get elected, apart from the fact that she is a pious fraud and serial liar.

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  72. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Stacy235l
    I say what I think, under my own name.

    Unite the Right, at great risk of physical danger, actually went to Charlottesville to protest the planned removal of the Lee statue. You're an Internet warrior that uses his real name. Oh yeah, you definitely win on Pokeman points.

    I had an NRO neckbeard practically call me a Nazi sympathizer

    How did you ever recover?

    Unite The Right caused the rest of the right huge political damage while getting someone killed. But they (and Antifa) did risk physical danger, that’s true.

    How many Pokemon points to you award yourself for being a pseudonymous keyboard warrior?

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  73. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Stacy235l
    then the MAGA types and southern heritage guys shouldn’t have gone

    They went because the future belongs to those who show up, not keyboard warriors.

    You can't wait for a perfect rally/protest. There isn't gonna be one.

    Stacy2351,

    You have pretty strong opinions for someone with 11 comments on this site. What’s your other handle, and why are you afraid of leaving these comments under it?

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  74. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    It was a persistent problem for anti-Iraq War protesters 15 years ago that also sorts of fringe extremists would show up for the demonstrations. That did a lot to hurt a sensible cause. But how do you stop them from showing up?

    Jenner Ickham Errican made a good point above about the flyer for the rally. Here it is. I guess you can’t stop them from rallying in front of the statue, but maybe you can rally there on another day.

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  75. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Kyle McKenna
    Agreed; if accurate. Would you please provide proof that Mr Kessler explicitly invited neo-nazis to the event? I have searched online just now and can't find anything remotely conclusive, just a bunch of slander and guilt-by-association attacks. The prevailing Establishment calls most anything they don't like "nazi" so that's not good enough.

    Kyle,

    He invited folks like Matt Heimbach, which is close enough. You can argue otherwise, but that seems a pointless hill to die on.

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    • Replies: @ia
    It's not pointless at all. The modus operandi is to slander whoever they don't like as a Nazi and then you can do whatever you want to them.
    , @Kyle McKenna
    Sigh. Your assertion, since you seem to have forgotten it already, was this:

    Unite The Right made that easy for them, by inviting neo-Nazis to the party.
     
    All I asked for was proof of the assertion, but a day has passed and I guess that's the best you have. Okay.
  76. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Fair enough, then the MAGA types and southern heritage guys shouldn’t have gone.
     
    Well, the event was called Unite The Right. Apparently some attending MAGAs and Southern Heritage people were fine with the concept. I think there are many, many MAGA types around the country (who would never wave a Nazi flag or even attend a rally to save Confederate monuments) that nonetheless respect unified action in the face of a greater threat.

    I think we both agree that strife is not a desirable thing. I’d rather not have to think about any of this stuff, but no one can escape identity politics. And it’s the left that’s pushing it to the point of no return.

    6 months into the Trump’s first term seems a dumb time to promote white nationalism, IMO, even if that’s your position. Give Trumpism/Steve’s Citizenism a shot first, and get ~80% of what you want first.

    What I’d like to see is an acknowledgement that the country’s demographic trend has been a political decision, not an act of nature, and to have a political discussion about what the demographic balance should be in the future. Something maybe halfway between where we are now and where we were pre-1965 seems like a reasonable goal to me, one you might be able to get a majority behind after you got this subject into the Overton window. But Unite The Right pushes the subject in the opposite direction.

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  77. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Alec Leamas

    And yes, Trump has to defend MAGAs while shunning the Nazi LARPers. Not that he should have to! — the MAGAs shouldn’t have let the LARPers at the same rally. That’s like uniting the right with anchor that will sink all of it.
     
    I think the opportunity that Trump missed was to focus on the vigilantism and the principle that we don't endorse self-appointed speech police to preempt speech - even NAZI speech - with violence. We entrust sworn Law Enforcement Officers solely with the authority to use force to remedy violent breaches of the peace. Period.

    Agreed, Trump should have made that point clearly too.

    It’s really amazing how people like Mitt Romney are legitimizing violence against speech, particularly when he was called a racist, a bigot, and worse in 2012.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius

    It’s really amazing how people like Mitt Romney are legitimizing violence against speech, particularly when he was called a racist, a bigot, and worse in 2012.
     
    What's amazing about it?

    That's what cowards do.
  78. ia says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Kyle,

    He invited folks like Matt Heimbach, which is close enough. You can argue otherwise, but that seems a pointless hill to die on.

    It’s not pointless at all. The modus operandi is to slander whoever they don’t like as a Nazi and then you can do whatever you want to them.

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  79. @Dave Pinsen
    Kyle,

    He invited folks like Matt Heimbach, which is close enough. You can argue otherwise, but that seems a pointless hill to die on.

    Sigh. Your assertion, since you seem to have forgotten it already, was this:

    Unite The Right made that easy for them, by inviting neo-Nazis to the party.

    All I asked for was proof of the assertion, but a day has passed and I guess that’s the best you have. Okay.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    I was wrong in my assertion about them inviting Neo-Nazis, Kyle.

    Checking Wikipedia, it looks like there are only a tiny number of Americans who call themselves Neo-Nazis -- only 400 in the largest organization.

    I stand by my assertion that some of the ones who were invited were close enough, in terms of political toxicity.

    We're really lucky we have someone of Trump's fortitude in the White House. Another Republican might have admitted a million refugees after Charlottesville to prove he wasn't a white supremacist.
  80. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The Red Army still the Rodney Dangerfield of WWII in the West, despite being mostly responsible for defeating the Nazis.
     
    Yikes. Are those troops from the same Soviet government the caused the Holodomor and invaded Poland, Finland, and the Baltic States?

    Dave: “I tell ya, they get no respect!”

    A much more successful effort than mine at pointing out the ludicrousness of comparing today’s alt-left to the invaders at Normandy.

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    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Whoops. My bad about the original context, Dave. Yeah, Richie B. aka “Marcus” who tweeted the D-Day pic is a dumbass. It was so nonsensical it didn’t register with me at all, so I focused exclusively on your reply. :)
  81. @Dave Pinsen
    A much more successful effort than mine at pointing out the ludicrousness of comparing today's alt-left to the invaders at Normandy.
    https://twitter.com/neontaster/status/897847452597964800

    Whoops. My bad about the original context, Dave. Yeah, Richie B. aka “Marcus” who tweeted the D-Day pic is a dumbass. It was so nonsensical it didn’t register with me at all, so I focused exclusively on your reply. :)

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Marcus wasn't the only one making the WW2 comparison. It became a popular meme. Here's another example.
    https://twitter.com/Scott_Gilmore/status/897582269308653568
  82. @Dave Pinsen
    Agreed, Trump should have made that point clearly too.

    It's really amazing how people like Mitt Romney are legitimizing violence against speech, particularly when he was called a racist, a bigot, and worse in 2012.

    It’s really amazing how people like Mitt Romney are legitimizing violence against speech, particularly when he was called a racist, a bigot, and worse in 2012.

    What’s amazing about it?

    That’s what cowards do.

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  83. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Kyle McKenna
    Sigh. Your assertion, since you seem to have forgotten it already, was this:

    Unite The Right made that easy for them, by inviting neo-Nazis to the party.
     
    All I asked for was proof of the assertion, but a day has passed and I guess that's the best you have. Okay.

    I was wrong in my assertion about them inviting Neo-Nazis, Kyle.

    Checking Wikipedia, it looks like there are only a tiny number of Americans who call themselves Neo-Nazis — only 400 in the largest organization.

    I stand by my assertion that some of the ones who were invited were close enough, in terms of political toxicity.

    We’re really lucky we have someone of Trump’s fortitude in the White House. Another Republican might have admitted a million refugees after Charlottesville to prove he wasn’t a white supremacist.

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    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    Okay, thanks. I hope you don't mind my trying to keep the record straight. It's one thing we try to do around here a whole lot better than the MSM does.

    Meanwhile, I admit I'm not captivated by the topic of neo-nazis, but if there are only hundreds of them, isn't it weird how they manage to capture the headlines in the MSM, day after day? It's almost as if they're very very useful to someone. Not even the people themselves, but the bogeyman of an idea they're supposed to represent.

    So as far as "political toxicity" is concerned, if these people didn't exist, they would most certainly have to be created.

  84. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Whoops. My bad about the original context, Dave. Yeah, Richie B. aka “Marcus” who tweeted the D-Day pic is a dumbass. It was so nonsensical it didn’t register with me at all, so I focused exclusively on your reply. :)

    Marcus wasn’t the only one making the WW2 comparison. It became a popular meme. Here’s another example.

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    It became a popular meme.
     
    Whoa, I was unaware of that. If I’m to parse the D-Day analogy in the context of Charlottesville, the alt-left’s perennial cry of “Whose streets? Our streets!” means no public space (aka territory) for designated “Nazis.” If Nazis appear, invade their space.

    From the law and order vacuum of Charlottesville, there’s video of the alt-left crowd walking in traffic chanting “Our streets!” and beating their batons in rhythm. Suddenly, a Challenger appears. The chant ends in screams. I wonder how far the left is willing to go in future clashes.
  85. @Dave Pinsen
    Marcus wasn't the only one making the WW2 comparison. It became a popular meme. Here's another example.
    https://twitter.com/Scott_Gilmore/status/897582269308653568

    It became a popular meme.

    Whoa, I was unaware of that. If I’m to parse the D-Day analogy in the context of Charlottesville, the alt-left’s perennial cry of “Whose streets? Our streets!” means no public space (aka territory) for designated “Nazis.” If Nazis appear, invade their space.

    From the law and order vacuum of Charlottesville, there’s video of the alt-left crowd walking in traffic chanting “Our streets!” and beating their batons in rhythm. Suddenly, a Challenger appears. The chant ends in screams. I wonder how far the left is willing to go in future clashes.

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  86. @Dave Pinsen
    I was wrong in my assertion about them inviting Neo-Nazis, Kyle.

    Checking Wikipedia, it looks like there are only a tiny number of Americans who call themselves Neo-Nazis -- only 400 in the largest organization.

    I stand by my assertion that some of the ones who were invited were close enough, in terms of political toxicity.

    We're really lucky we have someone of Trump's fortitude in the White House. Another Republican might have admitted a million refugees after Charlottesville to prove he wasn't a white supremacist.

    Okay, thanks. I hope you don’t mind my trying to keep the record straight. It’s one thing we try to do around here a whole lot better than the MSM does.

    Meanwhile, I admit I’m not captivated by the topic of neo-nazis, but if there are only hundreds of them, isn’t it weird how they manage to capture the headlines in the MSM, day after day? It’s almost as if they’re very very useful to someone. Not even the people themselves, but the bogeyman of an idea they’re supposed to represent.

    So as far as “political toxicity” is concerned, if these people didn’t exist, they would most certainly have to be created.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    I don't mind you trying to keep the record straight at all and I apologize for bending it slightly.

    Absolutely, evil far-right whites are important to maintaining certain narratives. That's why the swastika flags, and the dead girl, were such a gift to the MSM.
  87. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Kyle McKenna
    Okay, thanks. I hope you don't mind my trying to keep the record straight. It's one thing we try to do around here a whole lot better than the MSM does.

    Meanwhile, I admit I'm not captivated by the topic of neo-nazis, but if there are only hundreds of them, isn't it weird how they manage to capture the headlines in the MSM, day after day? It's almost as if they're very very useful to someone. Not even the people themselves, but the bogeyman of an idea they're supposed to represent.

    So as far as "political toxicity" is concerned, if these people didn't exist, they would most certainly have to be created.

    I don’t mind you trying to keep the record straight at all and I apologize for bending it slightly.

    Absolutely, evil far-right whites are important to maintaining certain narratives. That’s why the swastika flags, and the dead girl, were such a gift to the MSM.

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  88. Nico says:
    @Kyle McKenna

    You can be a white nationalist, but Naziism and the KKK are just bad news any way you slice it.
     
    This is precisely why the MSM instantly and universally tries to connect and conflate any hint of white identity with 1) white nationalism then 2) white supremacism then 3) KKK then 4) Nazis!

    With the masses, it works. Why else does the Establishment and its Media call anything they don't like "Nazi"? It works. Many political disputes in this country now devolve into a contest to see who can call "Nazi!" first and loudest.

    And so, yes, it's dispiriting to see LARP kooks giving them ready ammunition. But then so does anyone who uses the term "antifa" to describe their hoodlums. But kooks, as the Good Lord said, ye will always have with ye. What're ya gonna do? It's in the Bible, somewhere towards the back.

    I think we agree. The left has communications down to a “T”: all those centuries of controlling the press don’t yield *nothing* in terms of experience capital. “Anti-Fascist”? Well, if you put it that way, who’s going to disagree? At some point the way they stage it it becomes logical for their primary opponents to don the colors of actual fascists. A cynic might say that at some point it may become necessary. I’m not sure, myself, but the future doesn’t look very promising.

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