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From CBS News:

Hillary Clinton will address Donald Trump and “alt-right” Thursday

By REBECCA SHABAD CBS NEWS August 23, 2016, 10:09 AM

Hillary Clinton will address Donald Trump and his campaign’s embrace of the “alt-right” political movement in a speech on Thursday, according to a Clinton campaign official.

“This “alt-right” brand is embracing extremism and presenting a divisive and dystopian view of America which should concern all Americans, regardless of party,” the official said.

Clinton will deliver the speech in Reno, Nevada. A CBS News/YouGov battleground tracker poll earlier this month found that 43 percent of Nevada’s voters support Clinton and 41 percent back Trump.

The official added that Clinton will contrast Trump’s “divisive views and dangerous temperament” with a plan to unite Americans.

Don’t assume Hillary’s people haven’t focus-grouped extensively this new ploy of hers to pick out some Emmanuel Goldsteins for voters to hate. Hillary’s people usually know what they’re doing.

 
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  1. PapayaSF says:

    Clearly, the most unifying, utopian position is to embrace endless immigration by Third Worlders, especially Muslims.

    But I wonder if her denunciation of the alt-right might backfire. A whole lot of people might hear about it, investigate, and discover a lot of what used to be called “common sense.”

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Hillary supporter Mark Cuban rejects the claim that she supports endless immigration:
    https://twitter.com/mcuban/status/768230793793515520
    , @Marc
    +1. There is no such thing as bad publicity at this juncture.
    , @pyrrhus
    The alt-right will be overjoyed, check out the comment thread at Vox Populi.....
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  2. I think I started reading “Alternative Right” in 2010 a few months after Richard Spencer founded it, and coined the term. I have to say I never thought I’d see the day the Democratic candidate for President would devote a speech to denouncing his works. An incredible, wonderful achievement. >:)

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  3. Das says:

    I’m genuinely puzzled by this. Normal voters don’t spend their free time talking about politics on the internet, so they’ve never even heard of the “alt right.”

    Republicans don’t go around attacking Democrats by quoting obscure left-wing blogs.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    It's not that puzzling. The alt-right has been promoting the delegitimization of elections and the political process in anticipation of a possible Trump loss in November. In the event of a Trump loss, that will eventually entail extra-electoral and extra-political activities. Hillary is laying the groundwork for the narrative that will be deployed if and when the government feels necessary to crack down as the alt-right's extra-electoral/political activity intensifies.
    , @anon
    Normal voters don’t spend their free time talking about politics on the internet, so they’ve never even heard of the “alt right.”

    Right. So they don't know that the alt-right is, what? Maybe 50,000 people in the country?

    They're just going to know that people on TV are talking about them, so they're going to assume that they're the majority of Trump supporters. So they're going to know that they're supposed to vote against him, because his supporters are bad people.
    , @Forbes

    Normal voters don’t spend their free time talking about politics on the internet
     
    And Facebook is a website for posting cat pictures, while Twitter is for sharing cookie recipes...
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  4. Bubba says:

    A “wall” resonates with voters, not the “alt-right.” Hillary is going to lose this election. The pollsters and media are just hoping to drag her across the finish line. It ain’t gonna happen.

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    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    No. It's the opposite.

    The left is quite sure Hillary is going to win, and they see this as an opportunity to put a stake in the heart of people like Sailer at the same time.

    I suspect there is a lot of anxiety in the establishment about this election. They know that if Trump were just a little better candidate, he would be blowing away the opposition. They're concerned to consolidate the establishment view after the election and prevent another Sailer-Coulter-Trump-style rising of the voters.
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  5. sayless says:

    Hillary’s plan to unite Americans, I can’t wait.

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    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    Hillary’s plan to unite Americans, I can’t wait.
     
    Her plan is to unite North Americans.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    I hope it goes over as well as Starbucks' "Let's talk about racism" campaign...
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Hillary’s plan to unite Americans, I can’t wait.
     
    If it's anything like the "uniting" experienced by Eileen Wellstone, Kathleen Willey, and Juanita Broaddrick, then I want no part of it.

    (Incidentally, I slipped with the stylus and was autocorrected to "Broaddrick". Imagine that. Even the most common spelling, "Broderick", isn't in the top 3,000 surnames or top 1,000 given names for men.)
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  6. Jack D says:

    Congratulations boys and girls, Steve has made the big time. He’s now important enough to hate.

    Ghandi said, First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. So 3 down and one to go!

    Bottle of champagne for Steve if Hillary mentions him by name.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Bottle of champagne for Steve if Hillary mentions him by name."

    That's never going to happen. Crooked Hildabeast most likely does not even know who Steve Sailer is. Even Alt-Right guys like Gavin McInnes and Anthony Cumia are more famous than Steve, because Gavin and Anthony are extroverts who make media appearances on Fox News and have their own podcast shows. Steve is an introvert hermit who likes to stay as low key as possible.

    , @Bonzo
    Ghandi was well aware that he was not dealing with animals.
    , @AnotherDad

    Bottle of champagne for Steve if Hillary mentions him by name.
     
    Absolutely zero chance of that.

    Steve is interesting, numberate, thoughtful. His writing comes across as good-natured, common sense. The last thing in the world the establishment wants is a bunch of Americans reading Sailer and thinking "He seems reasonable to me ... it's our policies that seem a little wild, out-there, possibly disastrous." The establishment wants folks to think the alternative is Stormfront, not Sailer.
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  7. eric says:

    Maybe iSteve will get a shout-out?

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    • Replies: @Buck Turgidson
    Is hilLIARy going to call out these 'alt-right' agitators by name? Who will be the main object of her legendary scorn? I'd say you can pretty much forget about getting some one-on-one face time with the Sect of State, Steve.
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  8. This makes me wonder how many high level decisions are being made by Hillary Clinton. This only makes sense if you’re knowledge of the alt-right comes from a few sections of text taken out of context and forwarded to you by the young folks on her campaign? Does anyone in her organization really ‘get’ the alt-right? Who the intellectual fonders are, what the basic concepts are?

    If I was running for Democratic ticket and I actually ‘got’ the alt-right, I would avoid mentioning it like the plague. I’d talk vaguely about extremists and let my auxiliaries do the dirty work, I wouldn’t mention them in a speech.

    Maybe there’s a deeper understanding of politics going on here or this is part of some eleventh dimensional game of chess, but this sounds like an old woman who’s mentally stuck in the 90s taking bad advice from other old people.

    But hell, what else can she campaign on? Other than co-opting Trump’s campaign to the max.

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    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Her strategy during this election cycle has clearly never been to appeal to independents and centrists. She has consistently aimed to rile up her base without letting them stray too far off the plantation. Pointing and sputtering at the awful people questioning the value of multiculturalism, open borders, neocon foreign policy, neoliberal economic policy, and unabashedly anti-white dogma is probably an effective way to do thism
    , @flamadiddle
    For the Dems to publicize the "alt right" is the best thing they could do for us. Not so good for them.

    Steve will get a lot of dishwashers and Hondas out of this if he is halfway smart.
    , @Bugg
    Herod asking the 3 Wise Men for the location of the Savior so he can go kill Him.

    Clinton may not grasp elevating the likes of Sailer means these ideas will also be disseminated and discussed. Best advertising the alt right could ask for. And to the point-why does the Establishment want to replace the American people with a cast of 3rd Worlders, some of whom mean us harm and most of whom will never assimilate nor contribute.
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  9. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @PapayaSF
    Clearly, the most unifying, utopian position is to embrace endless immigration by Third Worlders, especially Muslims.

    But I wonder if her denunciation of the alt-right might backfire. A whole lot of people might hear about it, investigate, and discover a lot of what used to be called "common sense."

    Hillary supporter Mark Cuban rejects the claim that she supports endless immigration:

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    I don't understand how a guy with over 5m followers only gets a few hearts on each of his tweets, even after hours. Is twitter dying?
    , @ben tillman
    Well, did you ask him what the limit is? She -- like all other mainstream politicians in this and other white countries -- has never even suggested that there is one. Put him on the spot!
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  10. newrouter says:

    projection:

    >This “progressive” “alt-right” brand is embracing extremism and presenting a divisive and dystopian view of America which should concern all Americans, regardless of party,

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  11. Conway is hinting that Trump might try to shift his position on deportation of nonviolent illegals over the next few days. The media is reporting a delay on his immigration address and cancellation of rallies in Nevada, Colorado, and Oregon. Cheap foreign labor, eleven million strong, being allowed to remain here would continue to cripple our working class.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The source for these stories Univision who in turn has a source. This sounds so bogus.
    , @ben tillman

    Conway is hinting that Trump might try to shift his position on deportation of nonviolent illegals over the next few days.
     
    That would be a huge mistake. His problem is not his policies; it's his personality and how he presents his policies. Making illegals go home is a wildly popular position that his candidacy absolutely depends on.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Trump denied any of this was true and was basically pt. XXXVI of Latinos hearing things that weren't said.

    I'm going to take Sen. Sessions' word over some conspiracy theory nonsense about cancelled rallies.
    , @Anonymous
    Mass deportation was supposed to be a bargaining position, wasn't it? http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/trumps-off-the-record-remarks-new-york-times-went-public/?_r=0
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  12. Hepp says:

    This I think tells you something about leftists. “Racism,” “bigotry,” “misogyny” and “hate” are worse than rape and murder

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    • Replies: @Buck Turgidson
    After the Fort Hood muslim massacre (I think 'radical' and 'terror' are superfluous), Gen. Casey said the real tragedy would be if the slaughter led to the rejection of the awesomeness of diversity. A military General Officer. Who was not court martialed and shot.
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  13. She is such a lolcow… Depending on bourgeois peer pressure worked great for Adlai Stevenson, notwithstanding a distinguished record of wiping out. People vote based on their material interests, not on scorecards of style points.

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  14. ““This “alt-right” brand is embracing extremism and presenting a divisive and dystopian view of America which should concern all Americans, regardless of party,” the official said.”

    - Extremism, as in views much closer to what the average American holds than liberalism. In a world where irrational views are the views of the elites, who control the media and schools, rational views are extremism.

    Divisive? More liberal nonsense- its only divisive because it disagrees with what they preach. Yes, we should all get on board with flooding the country with illegals and Muslims, burdening our kids, persecuting white men and our ancestors, etc.

    Dystopian- yeah, Communism has that reputation. So does flooding your country with illegals and Muslims, burdening future generations, biting the hand that feeds you, etc.

    And yeah, it concerns all Americans. It’s increasingly the view of the majority.

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    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Divisive? More liberal nonsense- its only divisive because it disagrees with what they preach.
     
    It's utterly stupid. The most divisive thing anyone can do to a society is . . . ADD DIVERSITY. Of race, of religion, of nationality, of whatever.

    By the way, the two-party system is pretty damn divisive in its own right.
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  15. countenance says: • Website

    And now we know why the media have been spilling a lot of ink about the alt-right in the last few days. They’re telling Hillary who to attack.

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    • Replies: @anon
    Agree. Seems suspiciously coincidental. Press/campaign coordination?
    , @Boomstick
    Other way around. The Clinton campaign gave the reporters a heads-up so they could be sure to prep their readers before the speech.
    , @Anonymous
    Bear in mind that the event that triggered "Trump's embracing the alt-right" was his recent hiring of Breitbart's Bannon. Breitbart is likely the evil face of alt-rightism to the Buzzfeed journalist class.

    Why did Weigel go with Sailer/Brimelow/Jared? Dug deeper into the old-school?

    , @Ed
    They're going for the kill shot. I think it was Plouffe that tweeted that Trump doesn't only have to be defeated but soundly so his type never fises again. The Right will be allowed to exist but only on the Left's terms.

    Hillary isn't even campaigning and she's winning running away. Several polls came out today and none of them could be described as good for Trump. VA is out of reach. FL poll came out with Clinton up double digits. Another has him up one in Missouri and tied in SC although that one was a Dem sponsored poll.
    , @mukat

    And now we know why the media have been spilling a lot of ink about the alt-right in the last few days. They’re telling Hillary who to attack.
     
    As Moldbug said, the Dem party is just the political wing of the Cathedral (media). (The Dems are the home team. The Dem party is the 'inside party' wholly encompassed by the larger Cathedral, which has no enemies to the left).
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  16. frizzled says:

    The ‘alt right’ would not exist without Steve Sailer. It’s nice, even for this alienated liberal, to see him slowly gain mainstream recognition as one of the most influential political thinkers in America.

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    • Replies: @Kylie
    Can't agree. I can't help feeling he was safer when he was less well-known. Let someone less gifted and more expendable be the point man for the alt right.

    Just because the left is stupid and clueless does not mean it is harmless.
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  17. Daniel H says:

    I hope that she calls out the UNZ review, and even you personally. There is no such thing as bad publicity.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "I hope that she calls out the UNZ review, and even you personally. There is no such thing as bad publicity."

    Crooked Hildabeast won't call out The Unz, but she will call out Breitbart because they get way more traffic than The Unz.

    Breitbart is the WWE of the Alt-Right, while The Unz is the TNA of the Alt-Right.

    Breitbart is the big leagues when it comes to Alt-Right websites.
    , @Ivy
    If Hillary wins, get ready to be audited. That is the Dem MO, as seen during recent Obama Admin actions against some Rep groups.
    , @Lagertha
    Well, they will stumble when calling out Breitbart personally.
    , @Johnny Smoggins
    She won't. Steve and Unz are too nice and intellectual. If people found their way here and started reading it would blow up in her face.

    The boogeyman she's looking for is Andrew Anglin and The Daily Stormer. The place where the dark heart of the alt right beats.
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  18. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @eggheadshadhisnumber
    Conway is hinting that Trump might try to shift his position on deportation of nonviolent illegals over the next few days. The media is reporting a delay on his immigration address and cancellation of rallies in Nevada, Colorado, and Oregon. Cheap foreign labor, eleven million strong, being allowed to remain here would continue to cripple our working class.

    The source for these stories Univision who in turn has a source. This sounds so bogus.

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    • Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber
    Here are two interviews from today on Trump's immigration policy shift with Conway and the man himself:

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/5095292089001/kellyanne-conway-discusses-donald-trumps-immigration-plan/?#sp=show-clips

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/5094814904001/is-donald-trump-changing-his-immigration-vision/?#sp=show-clips

    Three rallies and an immigration address were wiped from his schedule right after this story broke. What do you think is going on?

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  19. RW says:

    http://www.alternativeright.com/ cannot be accessed in China

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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    The site has been closed. I can't reach it from Canada.
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  20. The hectoring continues…

    A carpet bombing of moral righteousness.

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  21. Boomstick says:

    So that was the genesis of Dave Weigel’s pieces in the WaPo. He had a head’s-up that this was coming, and was preparing the ground for the Clinton campaign.

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    • Replies: @MC
    Very possible. Or they got the idea from him. "Hey, the WaPo is talking about how Trump is connected to honest-to-goodness racists. Now we have an angle!"

    I don't think the speech will have an effect one way or the other on the election, but it will likely help the Alt Right in the long run to get this kind of amplification.
    , @Anonymous
    Time Magazine's recent cover story discussed the (racist, bigoted, extremist) alt-right.

    http://time.com/4457110/internet-trolls/
    , @Lagertha
    agree that the Clinton campaign is revving-up. However, I don't think Hillary is specifically taking on the Alt-Right like a modern-day crusade...I think it is still a preemptive strike against Assange/Snowden/Alt-Right (is it a thing? :) and to malign, malign, malign! How dare Alt-Right, whoever they are/wherever they lurk, get in the way for the long, long, walk down the aisle for the coronation of Hillary. Barack and his minions burned her out for 8 years - now it's grrrrl time.

    OT: She co-opted my: "My brain is short circuiting, so I gotta say good night." Did anyone else catch that? I know I annoy a lot of you, but I am decidedly not ok with HRC co-opting my specific brain activity :) Also, does she not realize that I have reasons to say that I am actually, "not good" anymore/right now as far as my cognitive abilities? Hmmmm? I was amazed that she used the term "short circuit" since I have said that to you guys often when I go off the rails. But, sheesh, I am not running for President - my sons would disown me and leave the country!

    , @Antonymous
    The DNC email leaks showed the DNC planting favorable news stories with Washpost authors:

    I think the best reporter to give the news to ahead of time is Greg Sargent at the Washington Post. But, the specific reporter is not as important as getting it to an outlet before the news breaks so we can help control the narrative on the front end.
     
    https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12450

    It would certainly make sense if Steve's interviewer (Weigel?) were aware of the Clinton campaign's intent, or at least had been asked to broach the topic of alt-right. Alt-right probably reached the campaign's attention due to Bannon, the new Trump manager and chairman of Breitbart.

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  22. Bee says:

    Alt-righters/Steve Sailer-fans/etc.: “We support a total nutcase for president because he promised us goodies!”

    What happens when he (inevitably) revokes the promise?

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/donald-trump-immigration/497021/

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    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    First, if he were reversing his stance on immigration, and presumably everything else, then there is no reason to oppose him.

    Second, if you are worried about candidates' promises, isn't it more troublesome that Hillary has made her promises in private versus Trump in public? With Trump we actually have a standard by which to judge him. Either he does what he promises or he does not. He will be held to account.

    But with Hillary, we don't even know what she has promised. What promises did she make to get hedge funds to cough up nearly $50 million? What promises did she make to get the nearly half a billion she has raised so far? I am far more troubled by her secret promises than Trump's public ones.

    , @MarkinLA
    The problem is that the other Republican candidates promised us a kick in the nuts so how did we lose with Trump?
    , @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    Alt-righters/Steve Sailer-fans/etc.: “We support a total nutcase for president because he promised us goodies!”

    What happens when he (inevitably) revokes the promise?


    Then we are right where we would be anyway with Hillary as POTUS.

    PRO TIP:

    You probably ain't going to hit the lottery...but you sure as Hell won't if you don't buy a ticket.

    , @Kyle
    Then we know that our ideological platform is dominant.
    , @Jack Hanson
    I see the Hillary interns are out in force trying to push this BS.
    , @AnotherDad

    Alt-righters/Steve Sailer-fans/etc.: “We support a total nutcase for president because he promised us goodies!”
     
    Bee, talk about projection. It's the *state* party--i.e. the Democrats, the parasite party--that promise people "goodies" in return for votes.

    I'm really just looking for politicans who will in the classic American sense, leave me alone and not screw things up.

    And Trump a nutcase? The establishment in the West has been rolling out a suite of utterly stupid and ridiculous policies--"multiculturalism", mass immigration, welcoming Muslims, the Euro, housing bubble, Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya and Syria, gay marriage, waving in refugees--that have us lurching from crisis to crisis and with the open immigration are a lock to destroy the West. Next to that--which Hillary cheerleads--Trump is a calm cool collected voice of deliberative wisdom.
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  23. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @countenance
    And now we know why the media have been spilling a lot of ink about the alt-right in the last few days. They're telling Hillary who to attack.

    Agree. Seems suspiciously coincidental. Press/campaign coordination?

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  24. Boomstick says:
    @countenance
    And now we know why the media have been spilling a lot of ink about the alt-right in the last few days. They're telling Hillary who to attack.

    Other way around. The Clinton campaign gave the reporters a heads-up so they could be sure to prep their readers before the speech.

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  25. iSteveFan says:

    OT – Live Trump rally streaming from Austin (7:25 pm central). Trump is not yet speaking, but should be shortly.

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    He is sooo hitting this out of the park! And, the moms losing their children...amazing...I cried. Sooo moving, never have I seen anything like this event. It was Brilliant!
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  26. AndrewR says:

    The sociopath who had Mike Brown’s mother speak at the DNC convention (pretending to be a victim) has no room to call anything “divisive.”

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    The word Shameless is not in their vocabulary.
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  27. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Das
    I'm genuinely puzzled by this. Normal voters don't spend their free time talking about politics on the internet, so they've never even heard of the "alt right."

    Republicans don't go around attacking Democrats by quoting obscure left-wing blogs.

    It’s not that puzzling. The alt-right has been promoting the delegitimization of elections and the political process in anticipation of a possible Trump loss in November. In the event of a Trump loss, that will eventually entail extra-electoral and extra-political activities. Hillary is laying the groundwork for the narrative that will be deployed if and when the government feels necessary to crack down as the alt-right’s extra-electoral/political activity intensifies.

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    • Replies: @ben tillman

    It’s not that puzzling. The alt-right has been promoting the delegitimization of elections and the political process in anticipation of a possible Trump loss in November.
     
    Obviously, elections aren't legitimate. If elections were contracts, they'd all be invalidated on the grounds of fraud and duress.
    , @Dr. X

    Hillary is laying the groundwork for the narrative that will be deployed if and when the government feels necessary to crack down as the alt-right’s extra-electoral/political activity intensifies.
     
    EXCELLENT observation, my man. Hillary is setting the stage to control the Internet, ban "alt-right hate speech," and prosecute potential "domestic terrorists" "like Tim McVeigh."
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  28. AndrewR says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Hillary supporter Mark Cuban rejects the claim that she supports endless immigration:
    https://twitter.com/mcuban/status/768230793793515520

    I don’t understand how a guy with over 5m followers only gets a few hearts on each of his tweets, even after hours. Is twitter dying?

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    It may be. http://seekingalpha.com/article/3989797-twitter-jumps-shark
    , @Vendetta
    No he just has terrible engagement. He's boring and none of his followers give a damn about what he tweets.

    There's a difference between having fans and having followers. Evidently he has a lot of followers but very few fans.
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  29. iSteveFan says:
    @Bee
    Alt-righters/Steve Sailer-fans/etc.: "We support a total nutcase for president because he promised us goodies!"

    What happens when he (inevitably) revokes the promise?
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/donald-trump-immigration/497021/

    First, if he were reversing his stance on immigration, and presumably everything else, then there is no reason to oppose him.

    Second, if you are worried about candidates’ promises, isn’t it more troublesome that Hillary has made her promises in private versus Trump in public? With Trump we actually have a standard by which to judge him. Either he does what he promises or he does not. He will be held to account.

    But with Hillary, we don’t even know what she has promised. What promises did she make to get hedge funds to cough up nearly $50 million? What promises did she make to get the nearly half a billion she has raised so far? I am far more troubled by her secret promises than Trump’s public ones.

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  30. @Anonymous
    The source for these stories Univision who in turn has a source. This sounds so bogus.

    Here are two interviews from today on Trump’s immigration policy shift with Conway and the man himself:

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/5095292089001/kellyanne-conway-discusses-donald-trumps-immigration-plan/?#sp=show-clips

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/5094814904001/is-donald-trump-changing-his-immigration-vision/?#sp=show-clips

    Three rallies and an immigration address were wiped from his schedule right after this story broke. What do you think is going on?

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  31. MC says:
    @Boomstick
    So that was the genesis of Dave Weigel's pieces in the WaPo. He had a head's-up that this was coming, and was preparing the ground for the Clinton campaign.

    Very possible. Or they got the idea from him. “Hey, the WaPo is talking about how Trump is connected to honest-to-goodness racists. Now we have an angle!”

    I don’t think the speech will have an effect one way or the other on the election, but it will likely help the Alt Right in the long run to get this kind of amplification.

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    I don't think Hillary's campaign is light enough on its feet to come up with a response in a day or two. They'd have meetings for a week.

    The media and Clinton campaign are doubtless plotting to engineer a moral panic attack.
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  32. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Trump’s base is angry, socially inept, insecure whites who need to believe they are the master race and that their perceived failure is the fault of a mass conspiracy by Jews/blacks/feminists/Mexicans to “steal” their privilege. Sad, pathetic and extremely dangerous. This well armed cohort of radical, America hating extremists is the greatest threat the nation has ever faced. The last time these scum were in ascendency was in the late 1850s. We know what happened shortly thereafter.

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    We don't need to believe we are a "master race."
    We need white women, because non white women are ugly. At least that is how I feel, I can't speak for everyone else.
    , @Unladen Swallow
    You misspelled you own moniker this time, troll. You need to settle down and really need to pay attention to these things.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    Does "their privilege" include gay rights? 'Cause I don't see anyone but whitey pushing that cause.
    , @Stephen R. Diamond
    "Socially inept." Of all insults! This election is unhinging people.
    , @Anonymous
    Just ignore Tiny. He spouts off nonsense with the goal of obviously trying to annoy people. Not sure what he gets out of it. 50-Cent Party troll for Soros? Or hoping to chase people off from rational discussion on 'taboo' topics? Maybe he just gets a 'thrill up his leg' from it like Chris Matthews does whenever he thinks about Obama.

    Make use of the "Commenters to Ignore" Button that Steve and Unz give you to deal with trolls like Tiny.
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  33. Mr. Blank says:

    It will be interesting to see the reaction to this speech, and how the “alt-right” gets covered by the media in general. Bringing the alt-right to greater public attention could very well backfire on the Left. Hey, one can hope!

    I’m still waiting for the Left to wake up to the fact that, as guys like Rod Dreher keep trying to explain to them, the “post-religious right” is going to be a very, very different animal than what they’re used to. Most of the liberals I speak with are still under the impression that the “alt-right” is somehow part of the Koch brothers/Christian fundamentalist Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy, and they’re pretty sure they can just run the same old playbook against them.

    Eventually they’ll catch on, but right now it’s fun to watch them stumble around. Like neocons who are still fighting the Cold War, liberals are lunging at shadows, trying to battle the empty space where their enemy used to be — while stirring up a lot of resentment with the way they keep accidentally blowing up noncombatant bystanders.

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    Most of the liberals I speak with are still under the impression that the “alt-right” is somehow part of the Koch brothers/Christian fundamentalist Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
     
    They don't even realize that the old three-legged stool of the right--anticommunists, social conservatives, and free-marketeers/libertarians--has been broken for a decade or more now, and that the Koch Brothers, evangelicals, and neocons all pretty much go their own ways.
    , @Lagertha
    best laugh of the night, thank you...ha, ha, ha, haaaaa.
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  34. AndrewR says:
    @Fenton Skeegs
    This makes me wonder how many high level decisions are being made by Hillary Clinton. This only makes sense if you're knowledge of the alt-right comes from a few sections of text taken out of context and forwarded to you by the young folks on her campaign? Does anyone in her organization really 'get' the alt-right? Who the intellectual fonders are, what the basic concepts are?

    If I was running for Democratic ticket and I actually 'got' the alt-right, I would avoid mentioning it like the plague. I'd talk vaguely about extremists and let my auxiliaries do the dirty work, I wouldn't mention them in a speech.

    Maybe there's a deeper understanding of politics going on here or this is part of some eleventh dimensional game of chess, but this sounds like an old woman who's mentally stuck in the 90s taking bad advice from other old people.

    But hell, what else can she campaign on? Other than co-opting Trump's campaign to the max.

    Her strategy during this election cycle has clearly never been to appeal to independents and centrists. She has consistently aimed to rile up her base without letting them stray too far off the plantation. Pointing and sputtering at the awful people questioning the value of multiculturalism, open borders, neocon foreign policy, neoliberal economic policy, and unabashedly anti-white dogma is probably an effective way to do thism

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    I think you're naive about how much of the populace has internalized the views of the left. "Independents" and "centrists" are still rabidly "anti-racist" and "pro-nice".

    Contra Skeegs, this could actually be a pretty deft political move. It's a much bigger and more complex version of the reporter who asked Trump to denounce David Duke. Hillary's speech is going to paint the alt right as a rebirth of that old racism everybody knows exists on the right. Trump will be tied to and put in a position of repudiating or embracing. His track record shows he will probably not respond well, or, if he does, the media will just spin whatever he says out of control... the whole WaPo article is part of a big set-up to entrap Trump and re-inforce the idea that he's a racist at just the moment that he's planning to move left on immigration. If does it, he'll be left with no supporters on the right or in the center...
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  35. Jd says: • Website

    The alright can go down in flames, you’re not pro white or anti white genocide anyway.

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  36. whorefinder says: • Website

    I will bet any amount of money that, if she does open up this can of worms, Hillary will tie Donald Trump to the “rape culture” she will accuse PUAs of having.

    Remember that many men come to the Alt-Right via the red pill and pick-up blogs. It’s a good intro: men wonder why all the advice they’ve ever gotten about women hasn’t worked, start a google search, and begin to question their feminist-indoctrinated beliefs. Soon they start admitting the sexes are very different, and then they get results with women, and then they are ready to question their other deeply-held beliefs, such as those about race, culture, and the like.

    Since the Left has already painted PUAs as sexist-mysognyists unpersons who are either (1) rapists or (2) losers living in their mothers basements, it wouldn’t be much of a stretch for Leftists to make Trump responsible for rapes by these loser-rapists (of which there is no evidence).

    Roosh got swarmed in February by no less than the Washington Post, and although he’s not folded and still going strong, damage was done.

    Of course she’ll bring up the race realists. And probably her crew are working overtime to grab some links and screenshots to more inflammatory posts, posters, and such.

    But don’t count out the fact that feminism is a big driver of Hillary’s campaign, so race AND sexual BadThought in the Alt Right will be attacked.

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    then they get results with women, and then they are ready to question their other deeply-held beliefs, such as those about race, culture, and the like.

    Whoa! Talk about some powerful "stuff."
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  37. Mainstream media. Yes you. In coordinating with the Clinton campaign, setting up and adding to their memes and propaganda, you are destroying your credibility. It will not end well, but keep digging. What you dread is coming, is coming.

    Comes a Trumpening.

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  38. Bob says:

    If this were McCain or Romney running, they would have already come out and endorsed Hillary …

    Trump is in the wrong ambush zone
    — Heartbreak Ridge

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  39. Kyle says:

    That sounds straight out of nixon’s playbook.

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  40. AndrewR says:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/steve-bannon-and-the-alt-right-a-primer/

    Pretty lulzy, poorly-edited article here. Who is “Pat Buchannan”? I guess CBS has had some budget cuts.

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    I think that's what Ali G called him: "I'se here with mah main man, Pat Boocohnin"

    Trump and Buchanan are the only interviewees who are immediately sussed out what Baron-Cohen was up to.
    , @ben tillman

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/steve-bannon-and-the-alt-right-a-primer/

    Pretty lulzy, poorly-edited article here.
     
    No kidding. "Parenthesis" is a plural?
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  41. Jefferson says:
    @Jack D
    Congratulations boys and girls, Steve has made the big time. He's now important enough to hate.

    Ghandi said, First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. So 3 down and one to go!

    Bottle of champagne for Steve if Hillary mentions him by name.

    “Bottle of champagne for Steve if Hillary mentions him by name.”

    That’s never going to happen. Crooked Hildabeast most likely does not even know who Steve Sailer is. Even Alt-Right guys like Gavin McInnes and Anthony Cumia are more famous than Steve, because Gavin and Anthony are extroverts who make media appearances on Fox News and have their own podcast shows. Steve is an introvert hermit who likes to stay as low key as possible.

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    "Crooked Hildabeast most likely does not even know who Steve Sailer is."

    Indeed, and I'm sure the same is true of Trump.

    , @International Jew
    She won't mention Steve or anyone else by name, lest she help people find these websites and actually learn to think for themselves. She'll be as vague about who the alt-right is, as crime reports are about the identity of black suspects.
    , @Lurker

    crooked Hildabeast most likely does not even know who Steve Sailer is.
     
    Does Hillary even look at the internet? Seriously, does she actually have any idea what's going on? I note that many older people use the internet, but simply replicate their original MSM consumption online. They're just reading the same lugenpresse they always did, merely in a different format. Plus they absolutely refuse to read online comments on MSM articles. Believe me I've tried to get older relatives to take notice of things like that and they just won't acknowledge it means anything. (Not everyone over 65 is like this of course)

    Hillary is supposed to be a connected, switched on person and I'm sure she has no end of people advising. But for herself, is the internet actually a thing at all, I suspect not.

    , @ScarletNumber
    I'm sure Ann Coulter has heard of Steve
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  42. anon says: • Disclaimer

    See, this is why the GOP should have run another bland milquetoast guy like Mitt Romney. The Democrats would quit calling Republicans racist if they just did that.

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  43. We’re days away from one of America’s presidential frontrunners all but name-dropping /pol/.

    As the young Canadian negro Drake would say, “what a time to be alive.”

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  44. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @AndrewR
    I don't understand how a guy with over 5m followers only gets a few hearts on each of his tweets, even after hours. Is twitter dying?
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    If only people would stop using it and facebook. I would love to see the stocks crash.
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  45. iSteveFan says:
    @sayless
    Hillary's plan to unite Americans, I can't wait.

    Hillary’s plan to unite Americans, I can’t wait.

    Her plan is to unite North Americans.

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  46. @Mr. Blank
    It will be interesting to see the reaction to this speech, and how the "alt-right" gets covered by the media in general. Bringing the alt-right to greater public attention could very well backfire on the Left. Hey, one can hope!

    I'm still waiting for the Left to wake up to the fact that, as guys like Rod Dreher keep trying to explain to them, the "post-religious right" is going to be a very, very different animal than what they're used to. Most of the liberals I speak with are still under the impression that the "alt-right" is somehow part of the Koch brothers/Christian fundamentalist Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy, and they're pretty sure they can just run the same old playbook against them.

    Eventually they'll catch on, but right now it's fun to watch them stumble around. Like neocons who are still fighting the Cold War, liberals are lunging at shadows, trying to battle the empty space where their enemy used to be — while stirring up a lot of resentment with the way they keep accidentally blowing up noncombatant bystanders.

    Most of the liberals I speak with are still under the impression that the “alt-right” is somehow part of the Koch brothers/Christian fundamentalist Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy

    They don’t even realize that the old three-legged stool of the right–anticommunists, social conservatives, and free-marketeers/libertarians–has been broken for a decade or more now, and that the Koch Brothers, evangelicals, and neocons all pretty much go their own ways.

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  47. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Das
    I'm genuinely puzzled by this. Normal voters don't spend their free time talking about politics on the internet, so they've never even heard of the "alt right."

    Republicans don't go around attacking Democrats by quoting obscure left-wing blogs.

    Normal voters don’t spend their free time talking about politics on the internet, so they’ve never even heard of the “alt right.”

    Right. So they don’t know that the alt-right is, what? Maybe 50,000 people in the country?

    They’re just going to know that people on TV are talking about them, so they’re going to assume that they’re the majority of Trump supporters. So they’re going to know that they’re supposed to vote against him, because his supporters are bad people.

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  48. MarkinLA says:
    @Bee
    Alt-righters/Steve Sailer-fans/etc.: "We support a total nutcase for president because he promised us goodies!"

    What happens when he (inevitably) revokes the promise?
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/donald-trump-immigration/497021/

    The problem is that the other Republican candidates promised us a kick in the nuts so how did we lose with Trump?

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  49. tanabear says:

    Donald Trump should give a speech where he addresses Hillary Clinton and her ties to the SJW ideology.

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    Donald Trump should give a speech where he addresses Hillary Clinton and her ties to the SJW ideology.
     
    Absolutely!

    And he might want to add that he has a Jewish daughter and grandchildren, and Hillary is off her rocker! And that she and the media will tell any lie imaginable if they think it will score them points. And that the entire campaign is one of distracting the American public from the fact that she is hostile to them, while Trump supports them.
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  50. @Bubba
    A "wall" resonates with voters, not the "alt-right." Hillary is going to lose this election. The pollsters and media are just hoping to drag her across the finish line. It ain't gonna happen.

    No. It’s the opposite.

    The left is quite sure Hillary is going to win, and they see this as an opportunity to put a stake in the heart of people like Sailer at the same time.

    I suspect there is a lot of anxiety in the establishment about this election. They know that if Trump were just a little better candidate, he would be blowing away the opposition. They’re concerned to consolidate the establishment view after the election and prevent another Sailer-Coulter-Trump-style rising of the voters.

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  51. MarkinLA says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    It may be. http://seekingalpha.com/article/3989797-twitter-jumps-shark

    If only people would stop using it and facebook. I would love to see the stocks crash.

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    Twitter's already down about 60% from its IPO. Facebook is up about 160%.
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  52. @Bee
    Alt-righters/Steve Sailer-fans/etc.: "We support a total nutcase for president because he promised us goodies!"

    What happens when he (inevitably) revokes the promise?
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/donald-trump-immigration/497021/

    Alt-righters/Steve Sailer-fans/etc.: “We support a total nutcase for president because he promised us goodies!”

    What happens when he (inevitably) revokes the promise?

    Then we are right where we would be anyway with Hillary as POTUS.

    PRO TIP:

    You probably ain’t going to hit the lottery…but you sure as Hell won’t if you don’t buy a ticket.

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  53. Hosswire says:

    This seems like an odd choice of campaign time & energy for her. But it had to have been tested & polled to death before she went with it.

    So what’s the benefit for her?

    My guess is that she will make the alt-right = Nazi connection & task her media minions to hammer it nonstop using all the plentiful imagery & memes available.

    If alt-right = Nazi & alt-right loves Trump then Trump = Hitler, right?

    The goal is to stoke her base into the kind of hysterics she cannot generate on her own. A pure “brown scare” play.

    The fact that it is coming directly from the candidate instead of the usual lower level media shriekers is notable.

    I wonder why this is happening now. Panic? Desperation? Or a hopeful coup de grace?

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    Remember, just a few weeks ago Hillary unleashed her internet army to go argue on websites for her, and the Unz gained a few more trolls in the meantime. After a few feeble attempts at attacking, the trolls certainly went to their campaign coordinator all weepy and said, "You've got to get Ms. Potus-Ma'am to attack these Alt-Righters! They make us feel stupid! WAAAAH!" (The smarter Hillary supporters were no doubt reserved for the more well-known sites, and we got the half-witted dregs.)

    Their coordinator then looked the Unz over and freaked. No doubt Hillary, somewhat bewildered by all this, is wondering why the heck she needs to attack this crowd, but whatever. If it scores a few points for her, she'll make the speech.

    , @Dr. X

    My guess is that she will make the alt-right = Nazi connection & task her media minions to hammer it nonstop using all the plentiful imagery & memes available.

    If alt-right = Nazi & alt-right loves Trump then Trump = Hitler, right?
     

    Well, the WaPo article was written by "Rebecca Shabad," so the "Nazi" angle would surely play well with Hillary's flacks in the Jewish-controlled media.
    , @Lagertha
    Holy scheisse! I just forgot that Trump's children are going to be very busy with rosh hashanah and yom kippur this fall...this election season. And we have Columbus Day, right after 9/11 Day, 'all hallow's eve,' leading up to Thanksgiving...Christmas...I can't wait!
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  54. Dwright says:

    Just as Edward R. Murrow’s epic take down with Joseph McCarthy so shall she go down in history in freeing America of this new form of fascism!

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  55. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    If it happens, that’s good news for Alt-Right and a stupid move on Clinton’s part. No bad publicity.

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    "No bad publicity."

    We'll see.

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  56. @Anonymous
    If it happens, that's good news for Alt-Right and a stupid move on Clinton's part. No bad publicity.

    “No bad publicity.”

    We’ll see.

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    I posted this in another thread, but what do you make of this?

    Someone went to some trouble to create this poll:

    http://abcnewsgo.co/2016/08/abc-live-poll-who-are-you-voting-for/

    and then tore it down.

    It is now gone as you can see if you click on the link (the domain was deregistered by 22-Aug), but the Wayback machine saved it six times between Aug 11 and Aug 18:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20160817221806/http://abcnewsgo.co/2016/08/abc-live-poll-who-are-you-voting-for/

    The results were interesting with, when I last saw it, around 110,000 people voting and 70% support for Trump and around 6% support for Hillary. It was up for several days.

    Was it the DNC trying to figure out how unpopular Hillary is? Were they trying to figure out how many people they have to kill before November?

    Was it Google trying to figure out how much more they have to lie about the polls?

    Was it Putin trying to figure out whether he should beef up his military to fend off the NeoCons and their plans to rape Russia?

    Was it Soros? The Saudis? Who?

    , @Anonymous
    For those newly arriving visitors referred to you by WaPo (and soon maybe by Hillary), you should have a small rotation of highly visibly links/banners that point to your best and most significant posts from the past. The Sailer Strategy, Love is Not Colorblind, The Race FAQ, etc. That will help a lot in converting free publicity into status and influence.
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  57. Kyle says:
    @Anonymous
    Trump’s base is angry, socially inept, insecure whites who need to believe they are the master race and that their perceived failure is the fault of a mass conspiracy by Jews/blacks/feminists/Mexicans to “steal” their privilege. Sad, pathetic and extremely dangerous. This well armed cohort of radical, America hating extremists is the greatest threat the nation has ever faced. The last time these scum were in ascendency was in the late 1850s. We know what happened shortly thereafter.

    We don’t need to believe we are a “master race.”
    We need white women, because non white women are ugly. At least that is how I feel, I can’t speak for everyone else.

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  58. @Jefferson
    "Bottle of champagne for Steve if Hillary mentions him by name."

    That's never going to happen. Crooked Hildabeast most likely does not even know who Steve Sailer is. Even Alt-Right guys like Gavin McInnes and Anthony Cumia are more famous than Steve, because Gavin and Anthony are extroverts who make media appearances on Fox News and have their own podcast shows. Steve is an introvert hermit who likes to stay as low key as possible.

    “Crooked Hildabeast most likely does not even know who Steve Sailer is.”

    Indeed, and I’m sure the same is true of Trump.

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    No. He knows.
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  59. Jefferson says:
    @Daniel H
    I hope that she calls out the UNZ review, and even you personally. There is no such thing as bad publicity.

    “I hope that she calls out the UNZ review, and even you personally. There is no such thing as bad publicity.”

    Crooked Hildabeast won’t call out The Unz, but she will call out Breitbart because they get way more traffic than The Unz.

    Breitbart is the WWE of the Alt-Right, while The Unz is the TNA of the Alt-Right.

    Breitbart is the big leagues when it comes to Alt-Right websites.

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    Let's be honest, they won't focus on Unz or Breitbart. Neither is strange or extreme enough by itself.

    I predict there's going to be an emphasis on the more embarrassing parts of reddit (however you feel about PUA, its reddit community isn't the face you want to display) and 4chan (a very frightening website!!!) with an aside linking everything to Stormfront or something. It's going to be dirty, facile, and ridiculous - and all the millions of Americans who'd never deign to click something they didn't find on Facebook are going to eat it up like it's the word of god himself.
    , @Obamadon_Imbecilis
    Breitbart isn't even really an alt-right site per se, but is really more representative of the populist wing of mainstream conservatism. Alt-right ideas might have filtered down into it, and Milo might have drawn attention to the alt-right, but it's not really too different from mainstream conservatism except in tone and focus. Of course Hillary will denounce Breitbart as a white nationalist outlet, because she doesn't know or care about the nuances and divisions within the right, and it's just easier to smear your opponents anyways.
    , @Lurker
    I rarely look at Breitbart, it's crawling with hasbarats and cucks. Funny to think of it being seen as alt-right!

    (I'm banned from there under any ID I've used in the last two years)
    , @Broski
    Most of Unz's stuff isn't even alt-right. Ask a Mexican? Razib sort of is just because he accepts HBD. The China guy? Ron Paul? He was his own weird deal. Pat Buchanan, Derb, Steve, ok. Andrew Napolitano has a show on Fox, so he's about as alt-right as Hannity.
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  60. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @countenance
    And now we know why the media have been spilling a lot of ink about the alt-right in the last few days. They're telling Hillary who to attack.

    Bear in mind that the event that triggered “Trump’s embracing the alt-right” was his recent hiring of Breitbart’s Bannon. Breitbart is likely the evil face of alt-rightism to the Buzzfeed journalist class.

    Why did Weigel go with Sailer/Brimelow/Jared? Dug deeper into the old-school?

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    My pet theory is that with all the journalists who secretly read Sailer they wanted to have some fun as an inside joke. But I could be totally off base.
    , @countenance
    The irony is that Breitbart isn't even alt-right. Though Breitbart and Milo are sympathetic to it, I don't think they qualify as alt-right, because the essence of the alt-right is having rightist politics that are chiefly motivated by some form of anti-egalitarianism.
    , @Clifford Brown
    The Narrative last week and this week is that Trump is pivoting with his vague apology speech and ham-fisted outreach to Black Americans. The counterattack to this Narrative is that Trump has gone all-in extremist by hiring Bannon and aligning himself with populist Breitbart.

    Trump will be deemed an "Alt-Right meanie" because of his association with Bannon and Breitbart. As always, truth is secondary. The Clinton assumption is that the calling Trump alt-right will scare off the moderates and soccer moms in the Philly suburbs that Trump needs in order to win. We all fully expect that Clinton's corruption scandals will continue to explode in the lead up to the election and will be so prevalent that the media will not be able to cover them up. The average White middle class non-idealogical voter will have to choose between the "corrupt candidate" or the "racist candidate". Most moderates will choose corruption over the appearance of racism.

    I think it's a good strategy especially when Clinton's narrative will receive the full support of the media. Who would be surprised if the Washington Post article featuring Mr. Sailer was done in coordination with the Clinton campaign for the speech on Thursday? Also, I am sure that big donors are concerned over the alt-right and Clinton's speech will likely increase her fundraising.
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  61. a plan to unite Americans

    I.e. unite us, wherever we are, however far we’ve fled, with various people that hate us.

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  62. @AndrewR
    Her strategy during this election cycle has clearly never been to appeal to independents and centrists. She has consistently aimed to rile up her base without letting them stray too far off the plantation. Pointing and sputtering at the awful people questioning the value of multiculturalism, open borders, neocon foreign policy, neoliberal economic policy, and unabashedly anti-white dogma is probably an effective way to do thism

    I think you’re naive about how much of the populace has internalized the views of the left. “Independents” and “centrists” are still rabidly “anti-racist” and “pro-nice”.

    Contra Skeegs, this could actually be a pretty deft political move. It’s a much bigger and more complex version of the reporter who asked Trump to denounce David Duke. Hillary’s speech is going to paint the alt right as a rebirth of that old racism everybody knows exists on the right. Trump will be tied to and put in a position of repudiating or embracing. His track record shows he will probably not respond well, or, if he does, the media will just spin whatever he says out of control… the whole WaPo article is part of a big set-up to entrap Trump and re-inforce the idea that he’s a racist at just the moment that he’s planning to move left on immigration. If does it, he’ll be left with no supporters on the right or in the center…

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    Right. Don't assume Hillary's people haven't thought this through and focus-grouped it carefully.
    , @Jefferson
    "I think you’re naive about how much of the populace has internalized the views of the left. “Independents” and “centrists” are still rabidly “anti-racist” and “pro-nice”."

    I agree. I hate how so many people here in the comments section of The Unz vastly overestimate how Right Ring the average American voter is. They mean the same average American voter who voted for Barack Hussein Obama not only once but twice. Anybody who voted for Barack twice is not a natural Alt-Righter. People here are starting to sound like the GOP establishment who say that Hispanics are natural Conservatives.
    , @AndrewR
    Average Americans are not "anti-racist" in the practical sense, let alone "rabidly." That term does not mean "simply opposed to racism" and you know it. It is a term only used by the virulently anti-white. Most white non-Democrats (and some white Democrats, at least historically) are equally averse to anti-white policies and rhetoric as to anti-nonwhite policies and rhetoric. Go on your average news station or newspaper's facebook page on any article about BLM or affirmative action. Most white Americans are as color-blind as MLK claimed to have wanted. Of course now the "anti-racists" say that being color blind is racist, and I think that bothers most whites.

    Courting the support of BLM, giving violent thugs' mothers a platform to play victim, and trying to shame whites into being subjected to a one-way lecture on race is not appealing to any more than 20% of whites, most of whom are registered Democrats. I think you are naïve to not recognize this.

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  63. @Chrisnonymous
    I think you're naive about how much of the populace has internalized the views of the left. "Independents" and "centrists" are still rabidly "anti-racist" and "pro-nice".

    Contra Skeegs, this could actually be a pretty deft political move. It's a much bigger and more complex version of the reporter who asked Trump to denounce David Duke. Hillary's speech is going to paint the alt right as a rebirth of that old racism everybody knows exists on the right. Trump will be tied to and put in a position of repudiating or embracing. His track record shows he will probably not respond well, or, if he does, the media will just spin whatever he says out of control... the whole WaPo article is part of a big set-up to entrap Trump and re-inforce the idea that he's a racist at just the moment that he's planning to move left on immigration. If does it, he'll be left with no supporters on the right or in the center...

    Right. Don’t assume Hillary’s people haven’t thought this through and focus-grouped it carefully.

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    They have wanted to do this for a while, but feared that it would quadruple the people interested in the alt-right literally overnight.
    , @The most deplorable one
    Haven't they left Trump's people lots of time to fix the problem?

    Surely, this sort of thing would be better done in mid October.

    On another front, I am seeing a lot of people of color in CA who can vote who are planning to vote for Trump. (Not those people of choler.)
    , @candid_observer
    The real issue is: how can Hillary make any of this alt-right stuff stick to Donald Trump in particular? She can of course talk as though support from the alt-right means that Donald Trump is alt-right, but that sort of one-sided admiration tends not to be very convincing. If Trump responds that he doesn't even know what she's talking about with the alt-right -- and frankly he probably genuinely doesn't -- how far does it go? David Duke admires Trump, and that couldn't be made to stick.

    My guess is all she will be able to make stick, in some measure, is his connection to Breitbart, because Steve Bannon came from Breitbart. But Breitbart isn't such a juicy target, I think. Breitbart tends to be pretty careful to push the envelope only so far. I gather there's an Hillary ad decrying Breitbart in which, for example, there's point and sputter over headlines such as "Would You Rather Your Child Had Feminism or Cancer?"

    I find it a little hard to believe that the typical swing voter is going to be much moved by quoting these sorts of headlines, provocative though they may be. This is especially true when it is one step removed from the candidate himself, who obviously didn't actually say these things.

    , @mobi

    Right. Don’t assume Hillary’s people haven’t thought this through and focus-grouped it carefully.
     
    It strikes me more as reactionary.

    She's clearly been thrown on the defensive over the Clinton Foundation, the health rumours, the tightening of the polls once again, and maybe even this:

    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/18/shock-poll-trumps-black-support-grows-6x-after-milwaukee-appeal/

    [LA Times poll shows big jump in Trump support recently among blacks.]

    This is kryptonite for her. If her support among blacks is anything less than overwhelming, she may be in real trouble.

    So, amp up the 'Trump's a closet nazi - what are you thinking?' theme.

    It feels like a panic move. Hillary doesn't like to risk big public appearances any more than absolutely necessary.
    , @Forbes
    The Hillary strategy is really quite simple. Let the media suck up all the air talking about what's wrong with Trump. It distracts from having to talk about what's wrong with Hillary. Hillary doesn't have to prove anything, or even "connect the dots" for anyone--media will do all the leg work. Just fill the news cycle with talking points. Later, it's an established fact she and the media refer back to it. Mission accomplished.
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  64. Trelane says:

    I hope during Ms Cliniton’s lecture she mentions Francis Galton, iSteve, Hbd*chick, La Griffe du Lion, Ron Unz, Greg Cochran, Kevin MacDonald, Philipe Rushton, Arthur Jensen, Hernstein and Murray, Linda Gottfredson, IQ, neoteny, regression to the mean, the cenral limit theorem, the r-K continuum, TFR, differential fertility, smart fraction theory, dysgenesis, the g factor, the Flynn effect, Beysian statistics, psychometry, hyperethnocentricism and group evolutionary theory, Pearbothham’s curve etc.

    I also hope she does not have another uncontrollable coughing fit, seizures, Tourettes-spectrum spaz out, vertigo/double vision, memory lapse/brain freeze, uncontrolled cackling episode, Parkinsonian tremor, catheter leak under her pantsuit or heavens forbid, start raising her voice sounding like Mrs. Bates berating Norman while refering to Trum… er.. her husband. I hope none of this happens during this very stressful– 30 minute scene plus money shot — week for her prior to next weekend’s three-day recuperation period.

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    I hope during Ms Cliniton’s lecture she mentions Francis Galton, iSteve, Hbd*chick, La Griffe du Lion, Ron Unz, Greg Cochran, Kevin MacDonald, Philipe Rushton, Arthur Jensen, Hernstein and Murray, Linda Gottfredson, IQ, neoteny, regression to the mean, the cenral limit theorem, the r-K continuum, TFR, differential fertility, smart fraction theory, dysgenesis, the g factor, the Flynn effect, Beysian statistics, psychometry, hyperethnocentricism and group evolutionary theory, Pearbothham’s curve etc.
     
    She won't, but in preparation for this speech, any bloggers who might plausibly come up in people's Google searches for the alt right ought to be putting up posts right now on the themes (1) what the alt-right is (2) who's in it, and (3) how it's different from ye ol' slavery and apartheid.

    In addition, readers and commenters ought to be ready to take to the comment threads on media outlets and leftist blogs.

    Calling all alt-right bloggers... Calling all alt-right bloggers...
    , @War for Blair Mountain
    You're delusional if you think the White Working Class needs to master the finer points of IQ test score psychometrics in order to wage a revolt against the very open and very deliberate race-replacement immigration policy. You and other IQ test psychometric mad calibrators are clueless.
    , @Percy Gryce
    https://youtu.be/C7aG-VQYGhA?t=1m03s
    , @Dahlia
    Haha!

    It won't be the highlights, but the lowlifes tangentially related...

    Oh, Steve, I'm dying, lol! Maybe everyone here knows who Matt Forney is, but I only had some mild awareness and went looking a little bit...
    I thought it was odd that Weigel would feature somebody who was part of a "bullycide" pack that had gone against him about a week ago. This guy is the *worst*, ugly inside and out to such a degree that some even suspect him of being an FBI informant! He seems to be something of an embarrassment to most of the alt-Reich.

    Not sure, but I don't think Weigel was setting you up, but perhaps used you a little to slip in the shiv against this pack that had gone after him so viciously.

    At any rate, I'm guessing the manosphere, that realm we all know and hate, will probably get top billing.
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  65. @sayless
    Hillary's plan to unite Americans, I can't wait.

    I hope it goes over as well as Starbucks’ “Let’s talk about racism” campaign…

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  66. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    She is probably resting for the big day.

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  68. @Jefferson
    "I hope that she calls out the UNZ review, and even you personally. There is no such thing as bad publicity."

    Crooked Hildabeast won't call out The Unz, but she will call out Breitbart because they get way more traffic than The Unz.

    Breitbart is the WWE of the Alt-Right, while The Unz is the TNA of the Alt-Right.

    Breitbart is the big leagues when it comes to Alt-Right websites.

    Let’s be honest, they won’t focus on Unz or Breitbart. Neither is strange or extreme enough by itself.

    I predict there’s going to be an emphasis on the more embarrassing parts of reddit (however you feel about PUA, its reddit community isn’t the face you want to display) and 4chan (a very frightening website!!!) with an aside linking everything to Stormfront or something. It’s going to be dirty, facile, and ridiculous – and all the millions of Americans who’d never deign to click something they didn’t find on Facebook are going to eat it up like it’s the word of god himself.

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    "Let’s be honest, they won’t focus on Unz or Breitbart."

    I disagree. I believe Crooked Hildabeast will name drop Breitbart during her Thursday speech because Donald Trump hired Breitbart executive Stephen K. Bannon to be part of his campaign team. Notice The Donald didn't hire anybody from The Unz.

    Breitbart has been getting a lot of free publicity lately from 24 hour cable news. Just today Fox News has name dropped Breitbart several times.


    "I predict there’s going to be an emphasis on the more embarrassing parts of reddit (however you feel about PUA, its reddit community isn’t the face you want to display) and 4chan (a very frightening website!!!) with an aside linking everything to Stormfront or something."

    If Crooked Hildabeast really wants to put a final nail on the coffin of the Alt-Right in terms of making it extremely unappealing to nice mainstream White Americans, she should bring up The Vanguard News Network Forum where you can advocate for the murder of all Jews and the moderators there still won't delete your comment.

    The people who run The Vanguard News Network Forum are so Far Nazi Right that they don't think Stormfront is anti-Semitic enough. They think Stormfront goes too soft on the Jews.
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  69. Kyle says:
    @Bee
    Alt-righters/Steve Sailer-fans/etc.: "We support a total nutcase for president because he promised us goodies!"

    What happens when he (inevitably) revokes the promise?
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/donald-trump-immigration/497021/

    Then we know that our ideological platform is dominant.

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  70. @Trelane
    I hope during Ms Cliniton's lecture she mentions Francis Galton, iSteve, Hbd*chick, La Griffe du Lion, Ron Unz, Greg Cochran, Kevin MacDonald, Philipe Rushton, Arthur Jensen, Hernstein and Murray, Linda Gottfredson, IQ, neoteny, regression to the mean, the cenral limit theorem, the r-K continuum, TFR, differential fertility, smart fraction theory, dysgenesis, the g factor, the Flynn effect, Beysian statistics, psychometry, hyperethnocentricism and group evolutionary theory, Pearbothham's curve etc.

    I also hope she does not have another uncontrollable coughing fit, seizures, Tourettes-spectrum spaz out, vertigo/double vision, memory lapse/brain freeze, uncontrolled cackling episode, Parkinsonian tremor, catheter leak under her pantsuit or heavens forbid, start raising her voice sounding like Mrs. Bates berating Norman while refering to Trum... er.. her husband. I hope none of this happens during this very stressful-- 30 minute scene plus money shot -- week for her prior to next weekend's three-day recuperation period.

    I hope during Ms Cliniton’s lecture she mentions Francis Galton, iSteve, Hbd*chick, La Griffe du Lion, Ron Unz, Greg Cochran, Kevin MacDonald, Philipe Rushton, Arthur Jensen, Hernstein and Murray, Linda Gottfredson, IQ, neoteny, regression to the mean, the cenral limit theorem, the r-K continuum, TFR, differential fertility, smart fraction theory, dysgenesis, the g factor, the Flynn effect, Beysian statistics, psychometry, hyperethnocentricism and group evolutionary theory, Pearbothham’s curve etc.

    She won’t, but in preparation for this speech, any bloggers who might plausibly come up in people’s Google searches for the alt right ought to be putting up posts right now on the themes (1) what the alt-right is (2) who’s in it, and (3) how it’s different from ye ol’ slavery and apartheid.

    In addition, readers and commenters ought to be ready to take to the comment threads on media outlets and leftist blogs.

    Calling all alt-right bloggers… Calling all alt-right bloggers…

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    The usual strategy the Left and media follow is to lump together both the reasonable people and the less reasonable people, and taint the former by association with the latter. So you'll see Steve (who's an HBD guy but a conventional citizenist) lumped together with Jared Taylor, a white nationalist, or the KKK. And Trump lumped together with both. That's why Weigel profiled both Sailer and Taylor.

    This lets them avoid making any actual argument. The equation is Trump = Sailer = Moldbug = Taylor = KKK. Notice that they don't have to bother addressing any of the perfectly reasonable and in fact majority views of Trump about immigration here, because Trump's the KKK, and therefore his views on immigration are those of the KKK.

    , @Desiderius

    how it’s different from ye ol’ slavery and apartheid
     
    Yeah, good luck with that. The best defense is a good offense.

    In this case, the only one.
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  71. @Jefferson
    "Bottle of champagne for Steve if Hillary mentions him by name."

    That's never going to happen. Crooked Hildabeast most likely does not even know who Steve Sailer is. Even Alt-Right guys like Gavin McInnes and Anthony Cumia are more famous than Steve, because Gavin and Anthony are extroverts who make media appearances on Fox News and have their own podcast shows. Steve is an introvert hermit who likes to stay as low key as possible.

    She won’t mention Steve or anyone else by name, lest she help people find these websites and actually learn to think for themselves. She’ll be as vague about who the alt-right is, as crime reports are about the identity of black suspects.

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    And those who wonder what alt-right is will Google it, and get plenty of guidance. After all, even Wikipedia knows.
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  72. Bill P says:

    Ah, so now Hillary is going to put the crosshairs squarely on her opposition by naming names. This is really getting ugly. Guess they’re going in for the kill.

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  73. @Jefferson
    "I hope that she calls out the UNZ review, and even you personally. There is no such thing as bad publicity."

    Crooked Hildabeast won't call out The Unz, but she will call out Breitbart because they get way more traffic than The Unz.

    Breitbart is the WWE of the Alt-Right, while The Unz is the TNA of the Alt-Right.

    Breitbart is the big leagues when it comes to Alt-Right websites.

    Breitbart isn’t even really an alt-right site per se, but is really more representative of the populist wing of mainstream conservatism. Alt-right ideas might have filtered down into it, and Milo might have drawn attention to the alt-right, but it’s not really too different from mainstream conservatism except in tone and focus. Of course Hillary will denounce Breitbart as a white nationalist outlet, because she doesn’t know or care about the nuances and divisions within the right, and it’s just easier to smear your opponents anyways.

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    "Breitbart isn’t even really an alt-right site per se,"

    If Alt-Right means no Jews allowed and no Goys who are friendly to Jews allowed, than Breitbart isn't Alt-Right, neither is Donald Trump, and Gavin McInnes who likes to brag about how many Jewish women he has had sex with since moving to New York City during his single days.

    Milo, Jack D, Lot, and Syonredux can't join the Alt-Right club either because of their Jew blood.

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  74. Jefferson says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    I think you're naive about how much of the populace has internalized the views of the left. "Independents" and "centrists" are still rabidly "anti-racist" and "pro-nice".

    Contra Skeegs, this could actually be a pretty deft political move. It's a much bigger and more complex version of the reporter who asked Trump to denounce David Duke. Hillary's speech is going to paint the alt right as a rebirth of that old racism everybody knows exists on the right. Trump will be tied to and put in a position of repudiating or embracing. His track record shows he will probably not respond well, or, if he does, the media will just spin whatever he says out of control... the whole WaPo article is part of a big set-up to entrap Trump and re-inforce the idea that he's a racist at just the moment that he's planning to move left on immigration. If does it, he'll be left with no supporters on the right or in the center...

    “I think you’re naive about how much of the populace has internalized the views of the left. “Independents” and “centrists” are still rabidly “anti-racist” and “pro-nice”.”

    I agree. I hate how so many people here in the comments section of The Unz vastly overestimate how Right Ring the average American voter is. They mean the same average American voter who voted for Barack Hussein Obama not only once but twice. Anybody who voted for Barack twice is not a natural Alt-Righter. People here are starting to sound like the GOP establishment who say that Hispanics are natural Conservatives.

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    I agree. I hate how so many people here in the comments section of The Unz vastly overestimate how Right Ring the average American voter is. They mean the same average American voter who voted for Barack Hussein Obama not only once but twice. Anybody who voted for Barack twice is not a natural Alt-Righter.
     
    I know people who voted for Obama (twice) and will vote for Trump in November. At the time Obama ran in 2008, the conservative brand had been highly damaged by its rabid support of intervention, nation-building, free trade and tax cuts for the wealthy. So not voting for the GOP was not indicative that the person wasn't conservative. The GOP wasn't conservative.
    , @Jack Hanson
    A lot of people not voting for Romney (who was dead set on passing amnesty) isn't the same as people voting for Obama.
    , @AndrewR
    The average American is "right wing" enough to be turned off by Hillary's shameless appeals to BLM, pro-thug and anti-white rhetoric.
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  75. Lurker says:
    @Jefferson
    "Bottle of champagne for Steve if Hillary mentions him by name."

    That's never going to happen. Crooked Hildabeast most likely does not even know who Steve Sailer is. Even Alt-Right guys like Gavin McInnes and Anthony Cumia are more famous than Steve, because Gavin and Anthony are extroverts who make media appearances on Fox News and have their own podcast shows. Steve is an introvert hermit who likes to stay as low key as possible.

    crooked Hildabeast most likely does not even know who Steve Sailer is.

    Does Hillary even look at the internet? Seriously, does she actually have any idea what’s going on? I note that many older people use the internet, but simply replicate their original MSM consumption online. They’re just reading the same lugenpresse they always did, merely in a different format. Plus they absolutely refuse to read online comments on MSM articles. Believe me I’ve tried to get older relatives to take notice of things like that and they just won’t acknowledge it means anything. (Not everyone over 65 is like this of course)

    Hillary is supposed to be a connected, switched on person and I’m sure she has no end of people advising. But for herself, is the internet actually a thing at all, I suspect not.

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    I note that many older people use the internet, but simply replicate their original MSM consumption online.
     
    The equivalent in business are the old guys whose secretaries print out all of their e-mails then hand them to him.
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  76. Boomstick says:
    @MC
    Very possible. Or they got the idea from him. "Hey, the WaPo is talking about how Trump is connected to honest-to-goodness racists. Now we have an angle!"

    I don't think the speech will have an effect one way or the other on the election, but it will likely help the Alt Right in the long run to get this kind of amplification.

    I don’t think Hillary’s campaign is light enough on its feet to come up with a response in a day or two. They’d have meetings for a week.

    The media and Clinton campaign are doubtless plotting to engineer a moral panic attack.

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  77. Come this Thursday, Hillwhorey’s anti-alt-right screed will likely be an attempt to divide cuckservatives from ordinary Americans who support Mr. Trump – an attempt to shave cuckservative loyalist voters (à la Paul Ryan defeating Nehlen) from supporting Mr. Trump’s candidacy, by portraying the alt-right as “Nazis” and “Racists,” and as “extremists” and “nativists.”

    To counter Hillwhorey’s message, Mr. Trump and his campaign managers will have to respond with a carefully calibrated response – which may include the option of no response whatsoever, especially if Hillwhorey’s speech backfires on her by motivating more Americans to visit alt-right websites.

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    Yeah, that's what I think too. She'll drive off as many moderate-to-right voters as she can by digging up anything out of 4chan or TRS she can. A lot of this 'edgy' stuff interests young people who are already interested or curious, but can cost you a lot with moderates. Frog memes just make you look juvenile, and outside of the alt-right and BDSM clubs, most people don't actually like the Nazis.
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  78. Lurker says:
    @Jefferson
    "I hope that she calls out the UNZ review, and even you personally. There is no such thing as bad publicity."

    Crooked Hildabeast won't call out The Unz, but she will call out Breitbart because they get way more traffic than The Unz.

    Breitbart is the WWE of the Alt-Right, while The Unz is the TNA of the Alt-Right.

    Breitbart is the big leagues when it comes to Alt-Right websites.

    I rarely look at Breitbart, it’s crawling with hasbarats and cucks. Funny to think of it being seen as alt-right!

    (I’m banned from there under any ID I’ve used in the last two years)

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    It's interesting what they've done over there. They basically tossed out the anti-Israel stuff and avoided any of the weird monarchy stuff and watered down /pol/ about 50%. Seems to be working for them.
    , @Jefferson
    "I rarely look at Breitbart,"

    Just because you personally don't view Breitbart, still does not change the fact that it gets huge traffic.

    It's extremely common for just 1 Breitbart article to generate thousands of comments.

    If a Steve Sailer article on The Unz generates 100 comments it's considered a success. For Breitbart it would be considered a failure.

    When it comes to number of comments, Breitbart deals in bulk like Sam's Club and Costco.
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  79. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Steve Sailer
    "No bad publicity."

    We'll see.

    I posted this in another thread, but what do you make of this?

    Someone went to some trouble to create this poll:

    http://abcnewsgo.co/2016/08/abc-live-poll-who-are-you-voting-for/

    and then tore it down.

    It is now gone as you can see if you click on the link (the domain was deregistered by 22-Aug), but the Wayback machine saved it six times between Aug 11 and Aug 18:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20160817221806/http://abcnewsgo.co/2016/08/abc-live-poll-who-are-you-voting-for/

    The results were interesting with, when I last saw it, around 110,000 people voting and 70% support for Trump and around 6% support for Hillary. It was up for several days.

    Was it the DNC trying to figure out how unpopular Hillary is? Were they trying to figure out how many people they have to kill before November?

    Was it Google trying to figure out how much more they have to lie about the polls?

    Was it Putin trying to figure out whether he should beef up his military to fend off the NeoCons and their plans to rape Russia?

    Was it Soros? The Saudis? Who?

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    Perhaps it was the DNC trying to figure out how much trouble they are in.

    Thus this new tactic of trying to demonize the Alt-Right.

    I guess we now know what the real polls show.
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  80. Boomstick says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    I hope during Ms Cliniton’s lecture she mentions Francis Galton, iSteve, Hbd*chick, La Griffe du Lion, Ron Unz, Greg Cochran, Kevin MacDonald, Philipe Rushton, Arthur Jensen, Hernstein and Murray, Linda Gottfredson, IQ, neoteny, regression to the mean, the cenral limit theorem, the r-K continuum, TFR, differential fertility, smart fraction theory, dysgenesis, the g factor, the Flynn effect, Beysian statistics, psychometry, hyperethnocentricism and group evolutionary theory, Pearbothham’s curve etc.
     
    She won't, but in preparation for this speech, any bloggers who might plausibly come up in people's Google searches for the alt right ought to be putting up posts right now on the themes (1) what the alt-right is (2) who's in it, and (3) how it's different from ye ol' slavery and apartheid.

    In addition, readers and commenters ought to be ready to take to the comment threads on media outlets and leftist blogs.

    Calling all alt-right bloggers... Calling all alt-right bloggers...

    The usual strategy the Left and media follow is to lump together both the reasonable people and the less reasonable people, and taint the former by association with the latter. So you’ll see Steve (who’s an HBD guy but a conventional citizenist) lumped together with Jared Taylor, a white nationalist, or the KKK. And Trump lumped together with both. That’s why Weigel profiled both Sailer and Taylor.

    This lets them avoid making any actual argument. The equation is Trump = Sailer = Moldbug = Taylor = KKK. Notice that they don’t have to bother addressing any of the perfectly reasonable and in fact majority views of Trump about immigration here, because Trump’s the KKK, and therefore his views on immigration are those of the KKK.

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    The usual strategy the Left and media follow is to lump together both the reasonable people and the less reasonable people, and taint the former by association with the latter.
     
    But they get cross if you point out that Hitler had quite an advanced welfare state, the kind they support. No fair associating in the other direction!
    , @Honorary Thief
    That's not really fair to Taylor, who is a really smart and reasonable guy.
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  81. @Steve Sailer
    Right. Don't assume Hillary's people haven't thought this through and focus-grouped it carefully.

    They have wanted to do this for a while, but feared that it would quadruple the people interested in the alt-right literally overnight.

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    Quadrupling next to nothing is still next to nothing. While the HBD side of the alt-right has the facts on their side and I think is becoming an intellectual force even if it dare not speak its name in polite society yet, in the wider world it's still a subject for vilification .
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  82. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Right. Don't assume Hillary's people haven't thought this through and focus-grouped it carefully.

    Haven’t they left Trump’s people lots of time to fix the problem?

    Surely, this sort of thing would be better done in mid October.

    On another front, I am seeing a lot of people of color in CA who can vote who are planning to vote for Trump. (Not those people of choler.)

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    Haven’t they left Trump’s people lots of time to fix the problem?
     
    Of course. That's the point. You get your opponent tied up in knots 'fixing' a non-issue. It's called distraction game. They're giving marching orders to the lapdog media. The more time media spends on Trump, the less time and space to look into Hillary's problems.
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  83. iSteveFan says:
    @Jefferson
    "I think you’re naive about how much of the populace has internalized the views of the left. “Independents” and “centrists” are still rabidly “anti-racist” and “pro-nice”."

    I agree. I hate how so many people here in the comments section of The Unz vastly overestimate how Right Ring the average American voter is. They mean the same average American voter who voted for Barack Hussein Obama not only once but twice. Anybody who voted for Barack twice is not a natural Alt-Righter. People here are starting to sound like the GOP establishment who say that Hispanics are natural Conservatives.

    I agree. I hate how so many people here in the comments section of The Unz vastly overestimate how Right Ring the average American voter is. They mean the same average American voter who voted for Barack Hussein Obama not only once but twice. Anybody who voted for Barack twice is not a natural Alt-Righter.

    I know people who voted for Obama (twice) and will vote for Trump in November. At the time Obama ran in 2008, the conservative brand had been highly damaged by its rabid support of intervention, nation-building, free trade and tax cuts for the wealthy. So not voting for the GOP was not indicative that the person wasn’t conservative. The GOP wasn’t conservative.

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    Don't forget the financial crash. That really cost McCain--if you look at graphs of polls you can see his numbers tank.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    tax cuts for the wealthy
     
    = opposition to reparations.

    Wealthy = white in today's world.

    Be careful what you wish for.
    , @Jefferson
    "So not voting for the GOP was not indicative that the person wasn’t conservative. The GOP wasn’t conservative."

    And Barack Hussein Obama was a Conservative?

    "the conservative brand had been highly damaged by its rabid support of intervention, nation-building, free trade and tax cuts for the wealthy."

    Barack Hussein Obama supports free trade and Wall Street fat cats have gotten even wealthier under 8 years of Obama than under 8 years of Bush.

    "I know people who voted for Obama (twice) and will vote for Trump in November."

    For every 1 voter who voted for Barack twice, you got 100 Barack voters who plan to vote for Crooked Hildabeast.

    Crooked Hildabeast is expected to win red states which The Democratic Party have not won since 1976 or 1980. States like Utah, Nebraska, and Georgia. That is how extremely weak of a candidate Donald Trump is.

    Donald Trump can't even maintain some of the red states that Mitt Romney and John McCain won.
    , @Jefferson
    "So not voting for the GOP was not indicative that the person wasn’t conservative. The GOP wasn’t conservative."

    And Barack Hussein Obama was a Conservative?

    "the conservative brand had been highly damaged by its rabid support of intervention, nation-building, free trade and tax cuts for the wealthy."

    Barack Hussein Obama supports free trade and Wall Street fat cats have gotten even wealthier under 8 years of Obama than under 8 years of Bush.

    "I know people who voted for Obama (twice) and will vote for Trump in November."

    For every 1 voter who voted for Barack twice, you got 100 Barack voters who plan to vote for Crooked Hildabeast.

    Crooked Hildabeast is expected to win red states which The Democratic Party have not won since 1976 or 1980. States like Utah, Nebraska, North Carolina, and Georgia. That is how extremely weak of a candidate Donald Trump is.

    Donald Trump can't even maintain some of the red states that Mitt Romney and John McCain won.
    , @Jefferson
    "So not voting for the GOP was not indicative that the person wasn’t conservative. The GOP wasn’t conservative."

    And Barack Hussein Obama was a Conservative?

    "the conservative brand had been highly damaged by its rabid support of intervention, nation-building, free trade and tax cuts for the wealthy."

    Barack Hussein Obama supports free trade and Wall Street fat cats have gotten even wealthier under 8 years of Obama than under 8 years of Bush.

    "I know people who voted for Obama (twice) and will vote for Trump in November."

    For every 1 voter who voted for Barack twice, you got 100 Barack voters who plan to vote for Crooked Hildabeast.

    Crooked Hildabeast is expected to win red states which The Democratic Party have not won since 1976 or 1980. States like Utah, Nebraska, North Carolina, and Georgia. That is how extremely weak of a candidate Donald Trump is.

    Donald Trump can't even maintain some of the red states that Mitt Romney and John McCain won.
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  84. Jason Liu says:

    Sounds like good publicity.

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  85. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Steve Sailer
    "No bad publicity."

    We'll see.

    For those newly arriving visitors referred to you by WaPo (and soon maybe by Hillary), you should have a small rotation of highly visibly links/banners that point to your best and most significant posts from the past. The Sailer Strategy, Love is Not Colorblind, The Race FAQ, etc. That will help a lot in converting free publicity into status and influence.

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  86. Jefferson says:
    @anonitron1
    Let's be honest, they won't focus on Unz or Breitbart. Neither is strange or extreme enough by itself.

    I predict there's going to be an emphasis on the more embarrassing parts of reddit (however you feel about PUA, its reddit community isn't the face you want to display) and 4chan (a very frightening website!!!) with an aside linking everything to Stormfront or something. It's going to be dirty, facile, and ridiculous - and all the millions of Americans who'd never deign to click something they didn't find on Facebook are going to eat it up like it's the word of god himself.

    “Let’s be honest, they won’t focus on Unz or Breitbart.”

    I disagree. I believe Crooked Hildabeast will name drop Breitbart during her Thursday speech because Donald Trump hired Breitbart executive Stephen K. Bannon to be part of his campaign team. Notice The Donald didn’t hire anybody from The Unz.

    Breitbart has been getting a lot of free publicity lately from 24 hour cable news. Just today Fox News has name dropped Breitbart several times.

    “I predict there’s going to be an emphasis on the more embarrassing parts of reddit (however you feel about PUA, its reddit community isn’t the face you want to display) and 4chan (a very frightening website!!!) with an aside linking everything to Stormfront or something.”

    If Crooked Hildabeast really wants to put a final nail on the coffin of the Alt-Right in terms of making it extremely unappealing to nice mainstream White Americans, she should bring up The Vanguard News Network Forum where you can advocate for the murder of all Jews and the moderators there still won’t delete your comment.

    The people who run The Vanguard News Network Forum are so Far Nazi Right that they don’t think Stormfront is anti-Semitic enough. They think Stormfront goes too soft on the Jews.

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    Somebody's got to push the Overton window
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  87. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    The really big question, though, is: Are all those people turning up to Trump’s rallies going to be cowed into not voting by being called Alt-Righters?

    At this stage I think they don’t care about being called Racists, Holocaust Deniers, Bigots, Homophobes or bitter clingers.

    I am sure they are going to wear those badges with pride!

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  88. Hhsiii says:
    @AndrewR
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/steve-bannon-and-the-alt-right-a-primer/

    Pretty lulzy, poorly-edited article here. Who is "Pat Buchannan"? I guess CBS has had some budget cuts.

    I think that’s what Ali G called him: “I’se here with mah main man, Pat Boocohnin”

    Trump and Buchanan are the only interviewees who are immediately sussed out what Baron-Cohen was up to.

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    Andy Rooney, too
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  89. @sayless
    Hillary's plan to unite Americans, I can't wait.

    Hillary’s plan to unite Americans, I can’t wait.

    If it’s anything like the “uniting” experienced by Eileen Wellstone, Kathleen Willey, and Juanita Broaddrick, then I want no part of it.

    (Incidentally, I slipped with the stylus and was autocorrected to “Broaddrick”. Imagine that. Even the most common spelling, “Broderick”, isn’t in the top 3,000 surnames or top 1,000 given names for men.)

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  90. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @Trelane
    I hope during Ms Cliniton's lecture she mentions Francis Galton, iSteve, Hbd*chick, La Griffe du Lion, Ron Unz, Greg Cochran, Kevin MacDonald, Philipe Rushton, Arthur Jensen, Hernstein and Murray, Linda Gottfredson, IQ, neoteny, regression to the mean, the cenral limit theorem, the r-K continuum, TFR, differential fertility, smart fraction theory, dysgenesis, the g factor, the Flynn effect, Beysian statistics, psychometry, hyperethnocentricism and group evolutionary theory, Pearbothham's curve etc.

    I also hope she does not have another uncontrollable coughing fit, seizures, Tourettes-spectrum spaz out, vertigo/double vision, memory lapse/brain freeze, uncontrolled cackling episode, Parkinsonian tremor, catheter leak under her pantsuit or heavens forbid, start raising her voice sounding like Mrs. Bates berating Norman while refering to Trum... er.. her husband. I hope none of this happens during this very stressful-- 30 minute scene plus money shot -- week for her prior to next weekend's three-day recuperation period.

    You’re delusional if you think the White Working Class needs to master the finer points of IQ test score psychometrics in order to wage a revolt against the very open and very deliberate race-replacement immigration policy. You and other IQ test psychometric mad calibrators are clueless.

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    Intelligent people and groups determine outcomes is what I say.

    Delusional? Hardly. No, it is persons such as yourself who are delusional. Self-deluded no doubt. Rather insane I'd say since you cannot rationalize your beliefs.

    Groovy.
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  91. @Dave Pinsen
    Hillary supporter Mark Cuban rejects the claim that she supports endless immigration:
    https://twitter.com/mcuban/status/768230793793515520

    Well, did you ask him what the limit is? She — like all other mainstream politicians in this and other white countries — has never even suggested that there is one. Put him on the spot!

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    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/768233105735974912
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  92. Dr. Doom says:

    I’m sure the Left is still deluded enough to believe this old hag can beat Trump, but lets not forget she really got creamed by Bernie Sanders who isn’t even a Democrat and was probably a set-up who was supposed to be an easy to KO opponent. Knowing that the Left never listens to anyone with a different opinion, these pinheads have no clue what the Alt-Right is at all. Smart money is she’ll do one of two things. She’ll call out Karl Rove, The Koch Bros. and National Review to get a handle on these upstarts and get Trump to lose gracefully, or she’ll go all out Whites are racist, and Alt-Right and Trump are all Nazis. I hope its the latter, cause her campaign will sink right there if she does that. Those polls are completely fake. Considering how few of her own base are excited about her, I expect Trump is actually ahead 3 to 1. She wouldn’t even go after Alt-Right at all, unless she was far behind. She wants to be seen winning, and she wouldn’t go after a fairly new movement unless her people were telling her she’s way down.

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  93. SFG says:
    @Anonymous
    Bear in mind that the event that triggered "Trump's embracing the alt-right" was his recent hiring of Breitbart's Bannon. Breitbart is likely the evil face of alt-rightism to the Buzzfeed journalist class.

    Why did Weigel go with Sailer/Brimelow/Jared? Dug deeper into the old-school?

    My pet theory is that with all the journalists who secretly read Sailer they wanted to have some fun as an inside joke. But I could be totally off base.

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  94. @Anonymous
    Trump’s base is angry, socially inept, insecure whites who need to believe they are the master race and that their perceived failure is the fault of a mass conspiracy by Jews/blacks/feminists/Mexicans to “steal” their privilege. Sad, pathetic and extremely dangerous. This well armed cohort of radical, America hating extremists is the greatest threat the nation has ever faced. The last time these scum were in ascendency was in the late 1850s. We know what happened shortly thereafter.

    You misspelled you own moniker this time, troll. You need to settle down and really need to pay attention to these things.

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    You misspelled you own moniker this time, troll. You need to settle down and really need to pay attention to these things.
     
    Perhaps he was trying to identify himself as "Tiny Dick"?
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  95. @Boomstick
    The usual strategy the Left and media follow is to lump together both the reasonable people and the less reasonable people, and taint the former by association with the latter. So you'll see Steve (who's an HBD guy but a conventional citizenist) lumped together with Jared Taylor, a white nationalist, or the KKK. And Trump lumped together with both. That's why Weigel profiled both Sailer and Taylor.

    This lets them avoid making any actual argument. The equation is Trump = Sailer = Moldbug = Taylor = KKK. Notice that they don't have to bother addressing any of the perfectly reasonable and in fact majority views of Trump about immigration here, because Trump's the KKK, and therefore his views on immigration are those of the KKK.

    The usual strategy the Left and media follow is to lump together both the reasonable people and the less reasonable people, and taint the former by association with the latter.

    But they get cross if you point out that Hitler had quite an advanced welfare state, the kind they support. No fair associating in the other direction!

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    Yesterday, by concidence, I turned on TV when main news was just on. Some psycho(whatever) "expert" was comparing Trump to Hitler. Based on a level of percieved (?) psychopathy. Hitler was mentioned several times for noone to miss the connection.
    Czech media seem to be obsessed by Trump for some reason. From their reports one would think that doom comes if Trump is elected.

    Just few years ago I would not have guessed that mass propaganda is coming back (refugee/invader crisis, Brexit, Trump). The same methods and the same style as during communism. But this time jurnalists do it completely voluntarily - on their personal beliefs. And opposing voices are not banned. Rather such jurnalists are simply few in number.
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  96. SFG says:
    @Lurker
    I rarely look at Breitbart, it's crawling with hasbarats and cucks. Funny to think of it being seen as alt-right!

    (I'm banned from there under any ID I've used in the last two years)

    It’s interesting what they’ve done over there. They basically tossed out the anti-Israel stuff and avoided any of the weird monarchy stuff and watered down /pol/ about 50%. Seems to be working for them.

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  97. Ed says:
    @countenance
    And now we know why the media have been spilling a lot of ink about the alt-right in the last few days. They're telling Hillary who to attack.

    They’re going for the kill shot. I think it was Plouffe that tweeted that Trump doesn’t only have to be defeated but soundly so his type never fises again. The Right will be allowed to exist but only on the Left’s terms.

    Hillary isn’t even campaigning and she’s winning running away. Several polls came out today and none of them could be described as good for Trump. VA is out of reach. FL poll came out with Clinton up double digits. Another has him up one in Missouri and tied in SC although that one was a Dem sponsored poll.

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    VA is out of reach.
     
    Because Virginians think their "labour" is overpriced and their Commonwealth underpopulated? Those traffic jams in the northern counties aren't long enough now?

    You'd think Trump would be the one doing the crushing. Maybe he will, if he returns to these issues.

    Maybe the "alt-right" should hijack his campaign.
    , @Lurker
    I was prepared to believe the polls but when I started looking into the whole Trump rally vs Clinton intimate gathering issue I must say I'm now much more prepared to believe the polls are systematically being fiddled.
    , @flamadiddle
    We can win, win, win ....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4IsUxni0BY
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Some of the state polls released today (Hillary up by double digits in FL, for example) look terrible. But the LA Times has them neck-in-neck nationally. Odd. http://www.latimes.com/politics/
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  98. @Anonymous
    Trump’s base is angry, socially inept, insecure whites who need to believe they are the master race and that their perceived failure is the fault of a mass conspiracy by Jews/blacks/feminists/Mexicans to “steal” their privilege. Sad, pathetic and extremely dangerous. This well armed cohort of radical, America hating extremists is the greatest threat the nation has ever faced. The last time these scum were in ascendency was in the late 1850s. We know what happened shortly thereafter.

    Does “their privilege” include gay rights? ‘Cause I don’t see anyone but whitey pushing that cause.

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    "Does “their privilege” include gay rights? ‘Cause I don’t see anyone but whitey pushing that cause."

    Gay marriage is legal in some Latin American countries, but that is because Catholics regardless of race are a lot more Homo-friendly than Muslims.
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  99. @eggheadshadhisnumber
    Conway is hinting that Trump might try to shift his position on deportation of nonviolent illegals over the next few days. The media is reporting a delay on his immigration address and cancellation of rallies in Nevada, Colorado, and Oregon. Cheap foreign labor, eleven million strong, being allowed to remain here would continue to cripple our working class.

    Conway is hinting that Trump might try to shift his position on deportation of nonviolent illegals over the next few days.

    That would be a huge mistake. His problem is not his policies; it’s his personality and how he presents his policies. Making illegals go home is a wildly popular position that his candidacy absolutely depends on.

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    Actually, Ben, I am beginning to think you are another Cuck!

    Have you not read SJWs always lie?

    There is no problem with Trump's personality despite Main Slime Media claims that he is a worse psychopath than Hitler, and there is no problem with the way he presents his policies.
    , @AnotherDad

    That would be a huge mistake. His problem is not his policies; it’s his personality and how he presents his policies. Making illegals go home is a wildly popular position that his candidacy absolutely depends on.
     
    Well said. Not just a "huge mistake" a disaster. Trump's popularity is precisely in being a straight talker, saying the truth even if it's non-PC, and ergo standing for the little guy against the establishment. If Kellyanne Conway turns him into a squish--he's toast. Who'll bother to vote for him. (I'm withholding judgement till he see what happens, but ... "women ... oh!")

    Rather than roll, now is the time for Trump to double down and call out the insanity of Hillary's "home free" non-deportation policy. It's a winning issue that can turn the election. In the debate something like:

    "Hillary's said she won't deport illegals, unless they are criminals. This means ... you sneak into the US ... you're home free! This is a "come on over!" shout out to the world.

    Mass immigration is simply incompatible with getting Americans back to work and rising wages. Heck bosses like immigration for *cheap labor*--keeping wages down. It's a disaster for Americans who work for a living. That's what Hillary has in store for you--falling wages, unemployment, welfare ... if we still have enough taxpayers to pay for it.

    "We're already waving in over a million legal immigrants every year. Over a million. That's not enough for Hillary. I read a report from one of those research organizations--Pew i think--that said a fifth of the people in the world want to pack up an immigrate. Half of those want to come to the US. That's like 600million people!

    "We already have 320 million--twice the population when i was born. By mid-century immigration--just what we're currently doing--will drive us past 400million. Before the centuries out--our kids still alive--we'll pass 500 million. Half a billion! And Hillary doesn't want a wall and wants a non-deportation policy--sneak in an your home free. So essentially anyone who can get here can stay. 500 million isn't enough for her. She wants all those other 600 million foreigners who want to come as well. She wants us packed in like India or China. If you think the roads are crowded now--wait till Hillary has her way. If you think the schools are crowded now--wait till Hillary has her way. If you think housing prices are crazy now--wait till Hillary has her way. If you think wages are too low now--wait till Hillary has her way.

    "Hillary is just an immigration *radical*. We need to enforce the law. Her "home free" policy will just encourage more and more illegal immigration. We already have too much immigration and are headed toward half a billion people Her policy is just insane--it means America will become an ever poorer nation absolutely swamped with people. Or maybe ... she just hates Americans. I can't quite figure out which it is.

    "Hillary, are you insane? Or do you just hate the American people and want to drown them with foreigners?"

    ~~
    That's what Trump needs to do. He needs to up the ante and expose the extremism of the establishment--and the shitty future they have in mind for us.

    If he turns into a squish instead ... forget it. His straight-shooting street cred and the belief he's in the corner of the average working American ... will be shot.
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  100. Jefferson says:
    @Lurker
    I rarely look at Breitbart, it's crawling with hasbarats and cucks. Funny to think of it being seen as alt-right!

    (I'm banned from there under any ID I've used in the last two years)

    “I rarely look at Breitbart,”

    Just because you personally don’t view Breitbart, still does not change the fact that it gets huge traffic.

    It’s extremely common for just 1 Breitbart article to generate thousands of comments.

    If a Steve Sailer article on The Unz generates 100 comments it’s considered a success. For Breitbart it would be considered a failure.

    When it comes to number of comments, Breitbart deals in bulk like Sam’s Club and Costco.

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    Just because you personally don’t view Breitbart, still does not change the fact that it gets huge traffic.
     
    Didn't say otherwise mate!

    I'm just giving my opinion - for me it's hard to see BBN as alt-right.
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  101. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

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  102. @Ed
    They're going for the kill shot. I think it was Plouffe that tweeted that Trump doesn't only have to be defeated but soundly so his type never fises again. The Right will be allowed to exist but only on the Left's terms.

    Hillary isn't even campaigning and she's winning running away. Several polls came out today and none of them could be described as good for Trump. VA is out of reach. FL poll came out with Clinton up double digits. Another has him up one in Missouri and tied in SC although that one was a Dem sponsored poll.

    VA is out of reach.

    Because Virginians think their “labour” is overpriced and their Commonwealth underpopulated? Those traffic jams in the northern counties aren’t long enough now?

    You’d think Trump would be the one doing the crushing. Maybe he will, if he returns to these issues.

    Maybe the “alt-right” should hijack his campaign.

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    There are a lot of liberal morons in N VA who live a sheltered suburban existence devoid of immigrants and Section 8 housing, religiously digest the WaCompost, and are not intellectually capable of connecting immigration / imm policy to anything other than "good" immigrants and Chinese and Mexican food. Also a lot of manginas who vote D b/c their stupid, liberal wife orders them to (my conservative female friends tell me this). Also a lot of bs crazy liberals who have yet to discover an original thought of their own. Also a lot of fud gubmint worshipers. There is an endless bounty of garden-variety big city dopes whose strong suit is shopping at Banana Republic and getting a Starbucks and oh-so-hiply paying with their smart phone--not putting together the big picture in the real world. Too scary and getting a little too close to 'racist' for their comfort. Traffic is an industrial strength CF 8 hours/day and you think they could put 2 + 2 together, but it is intellectually beyond most of them. These folks can put numbers into a spread sheet and create .ppt presentations and parallel park, etc., but most can't see the forest for the trees and politically are brainwashed sheep that think climate change will be the end of the world as we know it (any day now......). They are used to doing and thinking as Wolf Blitzer tells them to. They would vote for Pol Pot if there was a D next to his name.
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  103. Kylie says:
    @frizzled
    The 'alt right' would not exist without Steve Sailer. It's nice, even for this alienated liberal, to see him slowly gain mainstream recognition as one of the most influential political thinkers in America.

    Can’t agree. I can’t help feeling he was safer when he was less well-known. Let someone less gifted and more expendable be the point man for the alt right.

    Just because the left is stupid and clueless does not mean it is harmless.

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  104. SFG says:
    @Auntie Analogue
    Come this Thursday, Hillwhorey's anti-alt-right screed will likely be an attempt to divide cuckservatives from ordinary Americans who support Mr. Trump - an attempt to shave cuckservative loyalist voters (à la Paul Ryan defeating Nehlen) from supporting Mr. Trump's candidacy, by portraying the alt-right as "Nazis" and "Racists," and as "extremists" and "nativists."

    To counter Hillwhorey's message, Mr. Trump and his campaign managers will have to respond with a carefully calibrated response - which may include the option of no response whatsoever, especially if Hillwhorey's speech backfires on her by motivating more Americans to visit alt-right websites.

    Yeah, that’s what I think too. She’ll drive off as many moderate-to-right voters as she can by digging up anything out of 4chan or TRS she can. A lot of this ‘edgy’ stuff interests young people who are already interested or curious, but can cost you a lot with moderates. Frog memes just make you look juvenile, and outside of the alt-right and BDSM clubs, most people don’t actually like the Nazis.

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    Ha ha, you called us what? All righters? All nighters?

    Ohhh, you are implying that we are Nazis? They wanted to confiscate guns didn't they?
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  105. @Grandpa Jack
    "“This “alt-right” brand is embracing extremism and presenting a divisive and dystopian view of America which should concern all Americans, regardless of party,” the official said."

    - Extremism, as in views much closer to what the average American holds than liberalism. In a world where irrational views are the views of the elites, who control the media and schools, rational views are extremism.

    Divisive? More liberal nonsense- its only divisive because it disagrees with what they preach. Yes, we should all get on board with flooding the country with illegals and Muslims, burdening our kids, persecuting white men and our ancestors, etc.

    Dystopian- yeah, Communism has that reputation. So does flooding your country with illegals and Muslims, burdening future generations, biting the hand that feeds you, etc.

    And yeah, it concerns all Americans. It's increasingly the view of the majority.

    Divisive? More liberal nonsense- its only divisive because it disagrees with what they preach.

    It’s utterly stupid. The most divisive thing anyone can do to a society is . . . ADD DIVERSITY. Of race, of religion, of nationality, of whatever.

    By the way, the two-party system is pretty damn divisive in its own right.

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  106. SFG says:
    @iSteveFan

    I agree. I hate how so many people here in the comments section of The Unz vastly overestimate how Right Ring the average American voter is. They mean the same average American voter who voted for Barack Hussein Obama not only once but twice. Anybody who voted for Barack twice is not a natural Alt-Righter.
     
    I know people who voted for Obama (twice) and will vote for Trump in November. At the time Obama ran in 2008, the conservative brand had been highly damaged by its rabid support of intervention, nation-building, free trade and tax cuts for the wealthy. So not voting for the GOP was not indicative that the person wasn't conservative. The GOP wasn't conservative.

    Don’t forget the financial crash. That really cost McCain–if you look at graphs of polls you can see his numbers tank.

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  107. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @ben tillman

    Conway is hinting that Trump might try to shift his position on deportation of nonviolent illegals over the next few days.
     
    That would be a huge mistake. His problem is not his policies; it's his personality and how he presents his policies. Making illegals go home is a wildly popular position that his candidacy absolutely depends on.

    Actually, Ben, I am beginning to think you are another Cuck!

    Have you not read SJWs always lie?

    There is no problem with Trump’s personality despite Main Slime Media claims that he is a worse psychopath than Hitler, and there is no problem with the way he presents his policies.

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    You're in a bubble or out of your mind. Millions of women who would support his policies are put off by Trump's style.
    , @AnotherDad

    There is no problem with Trump’s personality despite Main Slime Media claims that he is a worse psychopath than Hitler, and there is no problem with the way he presents his policies.
     
    Nonsense. Ben is right.

    We have these things called elections and--unfortunately--women get to vote in them. And women are more complaint--they hear the narrative and if it's plausible they tend to buy it. And the media is all in water carrying for Hillary.

    Trump's style of presenting his ideas and getting into stupid arguments is not working with white--in particular college educated--women. Some of these are voters Trump just isn't going to get. But plenty of them are moms. They have kids and if you can paint your policies as better for the long term prospects of a mom's kids--without being "mean"--then you get the mom's vote.

    This stuff isn't complicated. For instance instead of his "Mexican rapists" thing you talk about "American jobs belong to Americans". Instead of getting in a little pissing match with Khan, you praise his son's service and say "America belongs to Americans. We shouldn't take in *any* immigrant who doesn't make America better now and in the future for our children and grandchildren." You repeatedly say "We've got a millions of high school and college grads out looking for work. Un-employed, underemployed. American jobs should go to American kids first."

    Fundamental principles. As tough as you like. As manly as you like. As fun as you like. But setup to send the message that Trump cares about and is looking out for the future that your kids inherit.
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  108. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @SFG
    Yeah, that's what I think too. She'll drive off as many moderate-to-right voters as she can by digging up anything out of 4chan or TRS she can. A lot of this 'edgy' stuff interests young people who are already interested or curious, but can cost you a lot with moderates. Frog memes just make you look juvenile, and outside of the alt-right and BDSM clubs, most people don't actually like the Nazis.

    Ha ha, you called us what? All righters? All nighters?

    Ohhh, you are implying that we are Nazis? They wanted to confiscate guns didn’t they?

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    Ohhh, you are implying that we are Nazis? They wanted to confiscate guns didn’t they?
     
    Gun control in Germany was more liberal 1933-45 than in Weimar or today.
    , @SFG
    I didn't call you anything, at least intentionally, and I'm pro-2nd amendment. But tell me, do you think frog memes (yes, I enjoy them too) and Nazi imagery make you more popular with the general American public, or less?
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  109. @iSteveFan

    I agree. I hate how so many people here in the comments section of The Unz vastly overestimate how Right Ring the average American voter is. They mean the same average American voter who voted for Barack Hussein Obama not only once but twice. Anybody who voted for Barack twice is not a natural Alt-Righter.
     
    I know people who voted for Obama (twice) and will vote for Trump in November. At the time Obama ran in 2008, the conservative brand had been highly damaged by its rabid support of intervention, nation-building, free trade and tax cuts for the wealthy. So not voting for the GOP was not indicative that the person wasn't conservative. The GOP wasn't conservative.

    tax cuts for the wealthy

    = opposition to reparations.

    Wealthy = white in today’s world.

    Be careful what you wish for.

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  110. @Anonymous
    It's not that puzzling. The alt-right has been promoting the delegitimization of elections and the political process in anticipation of a possible Trump loss in November. In the event of a Trump loss, that will eventually entail extra-electoral and extra-political activities. Hillary is laying the groundwork for the narrative that will be deployed if and when the government feels necessary to crack down as the alt-right's extra-electoral/political activity intensifies.

    It’s not that puzzling. The alt-right has been promoting the delegitimization of elections and the political process in anticipation of a possible Trump loss in November.

    Obviously, elections aren’t legitimate. If elections were contracts, they’d all be invalidated on the grounds of fraud and duress.

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  111. @The most deplorable one
    Actually, Ben, I am beginning to think you are another Cuck!

    Have you not read SJWs always lie?

    There is no problem with Trump's personality despite Main Slime Media claims that he is a worse psychopath than Hitler, and there is no problem with the way he presents his policies.

    You’re in a bubble or out of your mind. Millions of women who would support his policies are put off by Trump’s style.

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    You must talk to a different group of women than I do, and perhaps you ignore all those women who attend Trump's rallies.

    However, I will admit that I talk to a lot of women of color in CA (not women of choler) so maybe the white women in your circles are cowed or perhaps just pretending.

    There certainly seems to be plenty of white women and even black women at Trump's rallies.
    , @Kyle
    They're put off because they are told millions of other "women are put off by him."
    , @Tex
    The rally in ultra-lib Austin, Texas was about 50-50 men and women. I doubt it was an unusual gathering.
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  112. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @The most deplorable one
    I posted this in another thread, but what do you make of this?

    Someone went to some trouble to create this poll:

    http://abcnewsgo.co/2016/08/abc-live-poll-who-are-you-voting-for/

    and then tore it down.

    It is now gone as you can see if you click on the link (the domain was deregistered by 22-Aug), but the Wayback machine saved it six times between Aug 11 and Aug 18:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20160817221806/http://abcnewsgo.co/2016/08/abc-live-poll-who-are-you-voting-for/

    The results were interesting with, when I last saw it, around 110,000 people voting and 70% support for Trump and around 6% support for Hillary. It was up for several days.

    Was it the DNC trying to figure out how unpopular Hillary is? Were they trying to figure out how many people they have to kill before November?

    Was it Google trying to figure out how much more they have to lie about the polls?

    Was it Putin trying to figure out whether he should beef up his military to fend off the NeoCons and their plans to rape Russia?

    Was it Soros? The Saudis? Who?

    Perhaps it was the DNC trying to figure out how much trouble they are in.

    Thus this new tactic of trying to demonize the Alt-Right.

    I guess we now know what the real polls show.

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  113. Lurker says:

    Somewhat O/T.

    If one looks on YouTube one will note that a search for “Trump rally” or “Trump speech” will yield more results than a search for “Clinton rally” or “Clinton speech”. Remember this includes Clinton events from years ago as well.

    So one part of the internet is more definitely more interested in Trump than Clinton.

    Then churning through the results one will further notice that Trump videos generally get more views on average, maybe even twice as many. They also have more comments. And just look at the those comments! Dip into most of those threads and the Clintonistas have been routed.

    Furthermore Trump videos have more thumbs up than down. Clinton videos generally have more thumbs down than up.

    If YouTube were seen as one discrete battleground then Clinton has already been defeated. Of course diligent online activity by the committed alt-right and the rest doesnt mean they really are the majority but it does send some sort of message – Clinton looks like a loser.

    But in addition people have been noticing something else:

    Essentially Trump is holding rallies for thousands, Clinton is holding small meetings for hundreds which can’t in all honesty be called rallies at all.

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  114. I for one welcome all the newcomers and spectators to our “vast right-wing conspiracy.”

    They’ll probably be surprised about how thoughtful and well-read we are as well as how friendly and open we are to free discussion among different viewpoints.

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  115. Jefferson says:
    @iSteveFan

    I agree. I hate how so many people here in the comments section of The Unz vastly overestimate how Right Ring the average American voter is. They mean the same average American voter who voted for Barack Hussein Obama not only once but twice. Anybody who voted for Barack twice is not a natural Alt-Righter.
     
    I know people who voted for Obama (twice) and will vote for Trump in November. At the time Obama ran in 2008, the conservative brand had been highly damaged by its rabid support of intervention, nation-building, free trade and tax cuts for the wealthy. So not voting for the GOP was not indicative that the person wasn't conservative. The GOP wasn't conservative.

    “So not voting for the GOP was not indicative that the person wasn’t conservative. The GOP wasn’t conservative.”

    And Barack Hussein Obama was a Conservative?

    “the conservative brand had been highly damaged by its rabid support of intervention, nation-building, free trade and tax cuts for the wealthy.”

    Barack Hussein Obama supports free trade and Wall Street fat cats have gotten even wealthier under 8 years of Obama than under 8 years of Bush.

    “I know people who voted for Obama (twice) and will vote for Trump in November.”

    For every 1 voter who voted for Barack twice, you got 100 Barack voters who plan to vote for Crooked Hildabeast.

    Crooked Hildabeast is expected to win red states which The Democratic Party have not won since 1976 or 1980. States like Utah, Nebraska, and Georgia. That is how extremely weak of a candidate Donald Trump is.

    Donald Trump can’t even maintain some of the red states that Mitt Romney and John McCain won.

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  116. Jefferson says:
    @iSteveFan

    I agree. I hate how so many people here in the comments section of The Unz vastly overestimate how Right Ring the average American voter is. They mean the same average American voter who voted for Barack Hussein Obama not only once but twice. Anybody who voted for Barack twice is not a natural Alt-Righter.
     
    I know people who voted for Obama (twice) and will vote for Trump in November. At the time Obama ran in 2008, the conservative brand had been highly damaged by its rabid support of intervention, nation-building, free trade and tax cuts for the wealthy. So not voting for the GOP was not indicative that the person wasn't conservative. The GOP wasn't conservative.

    “So not voting for the GOP was not indicative that the person wasn’t conservative. The GOP wasn’t conservative.”

    And Barack Hussein Obama was a Conservative?

    “the conservative brand had been highly damaged by its rabid support of intervention, nation-building, free trade and tax cuts for the wealthy.”

    Barack Hussein Obama supports free trade and Wall Street fat cats have gotten even wealthier under 8 years of Obama than under 8 years of Bush.

    “I know people who voted for Obama (twice) and will vote for Trump in November.”

    For every 1 voter who voted for Barack twice, you got 100 Barack voters who plan to vote for Crooked Hildabeast.

    Crooked Hildabeast is expected to win red states which The Democratic Party have not won since 1976 or 1980. States like Utah, Nebraska, North Carolina, and Georgia. That is how extremely weak of a candidate Donald Trump is.

    Donald Trump can’t even maintain some of the red states that Mitt Romney and John McCain won.

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  117. countenance says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    Bear in mind that the event that triggered "Trump's embracing the alt-right" was his recent hiring of Breitbart's Bannon. Breitbart is likely the evil face of alt-rightism to the Buzzfeed journalist class.

    Why did Weigel go with Sailer/Brimelow/Jared? Dug deeper into the old-school?

    The irony is that Breitbart isn’t even alt-right. Though Breitbart and Milo are sympathetic to it, I don’t think they qualify as alt-right, because the essence of the alt-right is having rightist politics that are chiefly motivated by some form of anti-egalitarianism.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Weigel#Controversy_over_leaked_e-mails_and_resignation_from_The_Washington_Post

    So it's as simple as Weigel smearing Trump with HBDism by taking the Bannon connection and playing on multiple meanings of "alt right". And the timing!

    While Clinton openly courts BLM and is tarnished by none of the BLMism that's unpalatable.

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  118. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @ben tillman
    You're in a bubble or out of your mind. Millions of women who would support his policies are put off by Trump's style.

    You must talk to a different group of women than I do, and perhaps you ignore all those women who attend Trump’s rallies.

    However, I will admit that I talk to a lot of women of color in CA (not women of choler) so maybe the white women in your circles are cowed or perhaps just pretending.

    There certainly seems to be plenty of white women and even black women at Trump’s rallies.

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    You're delusional or lying.
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  119. Jefferson says:
    @iSteveFan

    I agree. I hate how so many people here in the comments section of The Unz vastly overestimate how Right Ring the average American voter is. They mean the same average American voter who voted for Barack Hussein Obama not only once but twice. Anybody who voted for Barack twice is not a natural Alt-Righter.
     
    I know people who voted for Obama (twice) and will vote for Trump in November. At the time Obama ran in 2008, the conservative brand had been highly damaged by its rabid support of intervention, nation-building, free trade and tax cuts for the wealthy. So not voting for the GOP was not indicative that the person wasn't conservative. The GOP wasn't conservative.

    “So not voting for the GOP was not indicative that the person wasn’t conservative. The GOP wasn’t conservative.”

    And Barack Hussein Obama was a Conservative?

    “the conservative brand had been highly damaged by its rabid support of intervention, nation-building, free trade and tax cuts for the wealthy.”

    Barack Hussein Obama supports free trade and Wall Street fat cats have gotten even wealthier under 8 years of Obama than under 8 years of Bush.

    “I know people who voted for Obama (twice) and will vote for Trump in November.”

    For every 1 voter who voted for Barack twice, you got 100 Barack voters who plan to vote for Crooked Hildabeast.

    Crooked Hildabeast is expected to win red states which The Democratic Party have not won since 1976 or 1980. States like Utah, Nebraska, North Carolina, and Georgia. That is how extremely weak of a candidate Donald Trump is.

    Donald Trump can’t even maintain some of the red states that Mitt Romney and John McCain won.

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    Crooked Hildabeast is expected to win red states which The Democratic Party have not won since 1976 or 1980. States like Utah, Nebraska, North Carolina, and Georgia. That is how extremely weak of a candidate Donald Trump is.
     
    The Republicans are going to have increasing trouble in the South. This is a known thing. Virginia is already solidly purple due to the flood of apparatchiks into the DC suburbs. North Carolina is growing quickly with professionals from up north, plus very rapid immigration and is in play. Georgia follows.

    Trump is the anti-establishment candidate so he won't be carrying Virginia unless it's a blowout. But NC and Georgia he will carry if he gets any closing momentum going. There's no way in hell Trump is losing Utah under any plausible scenario short of self-immolation.

    Ultimately, the Republican party is going to have to follow the Sailer strategy and win larger majorities of the white votes in the whiter states of the upper midwest--Ohio, Pennsylvania, Iowa, Wisconsin, perhaps even Minnesota. Which it can do by finally *actually representing its voting base of middle class white people!*


    What you're missing in your hyperventilation is that Hillary isn't actually winning majorities in any of the states you mention nor even in Trump's must win battlegrounds like Florida and Ohio. She's in the 40s--usually the *low* 40s. Which is pretty pathetic for someone running as the known quantity, essentially the "more of the same" incumbent. It's just that Trump--under the media barrage, and because of his own personal quirks--hasn't been able to make much progress either.

    Particularly Trump's having problems nailing down married, college educated white women. But at least Trump is essentially trying the Sailer strategy. He just has to get better with suburban college educated mom demo. Not by turning into a sensitive squish, but by showing he's offering a much better future for Americans ... like these married women's kids.
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  120. @Steve Sailer
    Right. Don't assume Hillary's people haven't thought this through and focus-grouped it carefully.

    The real issue is: how can Hillary make any of this alt-right stuff stick to Donald Trump in particular? She can of course talk as though support from the alt-right means that Donald Trump is alt-right, but that sort of one-sided admiration tends not to be very convincing. If Trump responds that he doesn’t even know what she’s talking about with the alt-right — and frankly he probably genuinely doesn’t — how far does it go? David Duke admires Trump, and that couldn’t be made to stick.

    My guess is all she will be able to make stick, in some measure, is his connection to Breitbart, because Steve Bannon came from Breitbart. But Breitbart isn’t such a juicy target, I think. Breitbart tends to be pretty careful to push the envelope only so far. I gather there’s an Hillary ad decrying Breitbart in which, for example, there’s point and sputter over headlines such as “Would You Rather Your Child Had Feminism or Cancer?”

    I find it a little hard to believe that the typical swing voter is going to be much moved by quoting these sorts of headlines, provocative though they may be. This is especially true when it is one step removed from the candidate himself, who obviously didn’t actually say these things.

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    I think it is all "sand-bagging" for Assange's ultimate revelations about the Clintons/The Foundation in the fall - which he threatens to. I mean, why is the Clinton Foundation registered in Canada? duh, I know why, but Assange is gonna call her on this fact (that will weird-out American voters) since he is anti-war...and will call her out on her warmongering. Assange can not be "disappeared," and weirdly, he is housed in a very peculiar South American "safe house."
    , @Forbes

    The real issue is: how can Hillary make any of this alt-right stuff stick to Donald Trump in particular?
     
    It's the same playbook as hating on the Tea Party. Guilt by association. The general public didn't know anything much about the Tea Party, but they got their news (propaganda) about it from the lapdog media.

    Straight out of Alinsky--No. 13: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.
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  121. Lurker says:
    @The most deplorable one
    Ha ha, you called us what? All righters? All nighters?

    Ohhh, you are implying that we are Nazis? They wanted to confiscate guns didn't they?

    Ohhh, you are implying that we are Nazis? They wanted to confiscate guns didn’t they?

    Gun control in Germany was more liberal 1933-45 than in Weimar or today.

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    You don't understand rhetoric, do you?
    , @Lurker
    Rhetoric? Never heard of it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCIo4MCO-_U
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  122. Lot says:

    Excellent news! Being denounced by Hillary is the best thing to bring in standard issue Cruz-voting conservative types.

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    Depends how clever they are about it--playing up the 4chan side of it could turn people away from any clever arguments about immigration.
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  123. Lurker says:
    @Jefferson
    "I rarely look at Breitbart,"

    Just because you personally don't view Breitbart, still does not change the fact that it gets huge traffic.

    It's extremely common for just 1 Breitbart article to generate thousands of comments.

    If a Steve Sailer article on The Unz generates 100 comments it's considered a success. For Breitbart it would be considered a failure.

    When it comes to number of comments, Breitbart deals in bulk like Sam's Club and Costco.

    Just because you personally don’t view Breitbart, still does not change the fact that it gets huge traffic.

    Didn’t say otherwise mate!

    I’m just giving my opinion – for me it’s hard to see BBN as alt-right.

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  124. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Lurker

    Ohhh, you are implying that we are Nazis? They wanted to confiscate guns didn’t they?
     
    Gun control in Germany was more liberal 1933-45 than in Weimar or today.

    You don’t understand rhetoric, do you?

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  125. @Boomstick
    The usual strategy the Left and media follow is to lump together both the reasonable people and the less reasonable people, and taint the former by association with the latter. So you'll see Steve (who's an HBD guy but a conventional citizenist) lumped together with Jared Taylor, a white nationalist, or the KKK. And Trump lumped together with both. That's why Weigel profiled both Sailer and Taylor.

    This lets them avoid making any actual argument. The equation is Trump = Sailer = Moldbug = Taylor = KKK. Notice that they don't have to bother addressing any of the perfectly reasonable and in fact majority views of Trump about immigration here, because Trump's the KKK, and therefore his views on immigration are those of the KKK.

    That’s not really fair to Taylor, who is a really smart and reasonable guy.

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    I haven't read much by him, but what little I have makes me agree with you. He's pretty smart, the "reasonable" part can be argued. It's certainly intellectually interesting. But the excitable readers of the WaPo aren't really capable of rational discussion on the subject. The moment they hear "white nationalist" they'll come unglued and accuse him and anyone who ever saw him on the street of plotting genocide.

    The thoroughly documented HBD aspect of the alt-right is at best a borderline topic in the public arena. It's true, sure, but passing up a chance to virtue-signal is not the strong suit of today's chattering classes, even if it does require that they espouse lies. One can draw multiple conclusions from the facts of HBD, from the quite mild and reasonable views of Steve to the intellectually interesting but more extreme views of Taylor. The objective of the media here is to associate HBD with the extreme policy views so they can dismiss the entire subject without bothering to address the factual basis.

    Actually, that's secondary. The primary reason is to associate the whole thing with Trump and immigration. The alt-right believes in HBD, the alt-right think Trump is OK, therefore Trump agrees with the alt-right, and anything Trump says about immigration is the policy of Jared Taylor, who is in turn the same thing as Hitler, which makes Trump the same as Hitler when you think about it. Sure, that chain of reasoning has any logician scratching his head, but it's a useful rhetorical ploy for manipulating the public.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    I like Taylor, but you can watch videos of him on Donahue saying that there's nothing wrong with people of one race wanting to isolate themselves from the other races. Right or wrong, the ceiling for acceptance of that idea in America is very, very low.
    , @Forbes
    "Fair" has got nothing to do with it. The Left believes in two things: Ends justify the means, and anything goes.
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  126. Perhaps Hillary is just hallucinating a vast Alt-Right conspiracy?

    Snarking aside, I’ve always held that the Alt-Right is essentially rooted in a Traditionalist alternative to Classical Liberalism and modernity. I doubt there are very many Alt-Righters who get that deep about it and there are no doubt some who would fervently reject my characterization, but I still believe the Alt-Right is basically an adumbration—a first sign or symptom—of emerging anti-modernism, and is consequently grasped only confusedly even by most who are sympathetic to it. Its enemies are incapable of apprehending it without contempt, derision, and hysterical disgust.

    Hillary Clinton must attack the Alt-Right because she is the enemy of everything it is. She lives in a world of lies and hates reality with a passion. This denunciation is existential for her. She really has no choice, for if she were to let up in the struggle the whole identity she’s constructed for herself would fall apart.

    This means that she is at a disadvantage. The Alt-Right is already inside her head, driving her insane. The appropriate response for Trump would be to double down on everything. An increasingly unhinged Hillary Clinton, screaming in incoherent fits of rage, will be the inevitable result, and such will certainly do damage to her cause.

    There is no point in not clearly delineating the two camps. Let the election be a battle between common sense reality and Reset Rodham Clinton, the apotheosis of all Leftist lunacy.

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    "I’ve always held that the Alt-Right is essentially rooted in a Traditionalist alternative to Classical Liberalism and modernity. "

    I think it's what some Classical Liberals have been driven to because the Left has knocked out the intellectual underpinning of Classical Liberalism. Liberalism in action requires that most of the nation believe in Liberalism, and certainly that the political elites do as well. If everyone you interact with is looking out for their fellow ethnic/sexual identity/vegan collective/gender first and thinking about abstract principles of justice several levels below that, then you're a mug if you don't start taking a hard look at doing the same. All the more so if the leadership of the nation is also arguing that abstract notions of justice are just a rhetorical ploy by whitey to keep the black man down.

    Sadly, I don't think the Left realizes how quickly a Liberal attitude can end in a nation, and how hard it is to recreate it once gone.
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  127. SFG says:
    @The most deplorable one
    Ha ha, you called us what? All righters? All nighters?

    Ohhh, you are implying that we are Nazis? They wanted to confiscate guns didn't they?

    I didn’t call you anything, at least intentionally, and I’m pro-2nd amendment. But tell me, do you think frog memes (yes, I enjoy them too) and Nazi imagery make you more popular with the general American public, or less?

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    You must be particularly dense if you cannot recognize my response as a response to the sort of names the Hillary campaign is going to be slinging around.

    Do you think that those who have been attending Trump's campaigns have not heard all the Main Slime Media claims that Trump is the new Hitler, or that Trump is, gasp, actually worse than Hitler?

    It is impossible to have missed the Main Slime Media's portrayal of Trump over the last 12 months, and one does not have to read Trump the Press to know how rabid the Main Slime Media have been in their attacks on Trump.

    Claims that Trump supporters are Nazis will be water off a ducks back.
    , @Pericles
    I will toast it as an unforgettable day if Hillary runs a very angry slide show with frogs and swastikas and Taylor Swift quotes.

    It wouldn't surprise me if Pepe T-shirts proliferated in the streets a little while after that. (It will need some word of mouth, because who watches a Clinton speech?)
    , @Kyle
    Nazi imagery is funny now.
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  128. @Fenton Skeegs
    This makes me wonder how many high level decisions are being made by Hillary Clinton. This only makes sense if you're knowledge of the alt-right comes from a few sections of text taken out of context and forwarded to you by the young folks on her campaign? Does anyone in her organization really 'get' the alt-right? Who the intellectual fonders are, what the basic concepts are?

    If I was running for Democratic ticket and I actually 'got' the alt-right, I would avoid mentioning it like the plague. I'd talk vaguely about extremists and let my auxiliaries do the dirty work, I wouldn't mention them in a speech.

    Maybe there's a deeper understanding of politics going on here or this is part of some eleventh dimensional game of chess, but this sounds like an old woman who's mentally stuck in the 90s taking bad advice from other old people.

    But hell, what else can she campaign on? Other than co-opting Trump's campaign to the max.

    For the Dems to publicize the “alt right” is the best thing they could do for us. Not so good for them.

    Steve will get a lot of dishwashers and Hondas out of this if he is halfway smart.

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  129. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    All nonwn civic nationalist alrighters should have their heads placed on pikes

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  130. Ivy says:
    @Daniel H
    I hope that she calls out the UNZ review, and even you personally. There is no such thing as bad publicity.

    If Hillary wins, get ready to be audited. That is the Dem MO, as seen during recent Obama Admin actions against some Rep groups.

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  131. @AndrewR
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/steve-bannon-and-the-alt-right-a-primer/

    Pretty lulzy, poorly-edited article here. Who is "Pat Buchannan"? I guess CBS has had some budget cuts.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/steve-bannon-and-the-alt-right-a-primer/

    Pretty lulzy, poorly-edited article here.

    No kidding. “Parenthesis” is a plural?

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  132. Ivy says:
    @AndrewR
    The sociopath who had Mike Brown's mother speak at the DNC convention (pretending to be a victim) has no room to call anything "divisive."

    The word Shameless is not in their vocabulary.

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  133. Lurker says:
    @Ed
    They're going for the kill shot. I think it was Plouffe that tweeted that Trump doesn't only have to be defeated but soundly so his type never fises again. The Right will be allowed to exist but only on the Left's terms.

    Hillary isn't even campaigning and she's winning running away. Several polls came out today and none of them could be described as good for Trump. VA is out of reach. FL poll came out with Clinton up double digits. Another has him up one in Missouri and tied in SC although that one was a Dem sponsored poll.

    I was prepared to believe the polls but when I started looking into the whole Trump rally vs Clinton intimate gathering issue I must say I’m now much more prepared to believe the polls are systematically being fiddled.

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  134. SFG says:
    @Lot
    Excellent news! Being denounced by Hillary is the best thing to bring in standard issue Cruz-voting conservative types.

    Depends how clever they are about it–playing up the 4chan side of it could turn people away from any clever arguments about immigration.

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  135. Don’t expect the “alt-right” that Hillary denounces to be anything you’d recognize.

    She has the megaphone, and she’s going to define what the alt-right is. She’s going to build a strawman and then she’s going to burn it down. It’s just a convenience that the term “alt-right” has gotten a little play, but not so much that people really know what it is.

    By Thursday, Hillary’s minions at Google will have the search engine returning stormfront.org and the most outrageous, egregious websites that nobody’s ever heard of when someone puts “alt-right” in the search bar.

    They’re not planning on playing fair.

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    I agree with your last paragraph...weirdly, I think many "younger" people she is paying to weed out the alt-right 'sons (some daughters!) of anarchy,' will be alarmed by her health. Her health will become an issue. I may be biased because my mother is having severe memory issues; but, my son's 6th grade math teacher was early Alzheimer's, and now, 7 years later at age 64 is full Alzheimer's and institutionalized. Hillary is having health issues so everything about this election is gonna get weirder. Her clothes, for instance, are really weird as far as very "full burqa-like" these last weeks. And, all her strange affectations are displayed on U-Tube. It's very 'Fringe,' like...do we say something or not?! hmmm? why should we feel comfortable with her with the fracking nuclear codes?
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  136. Jefferson says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    Does "their privilege" include gay rights? 'Cause I don't see anyone but whitey pushing that cause.

    “Does “their privilege” include gay rights? ‘Cause I don’t see anyone but whitey pushing that cause.”

    Gay marriage is legal in some Latin American countries, but that is because Catholics regardless of race are a lot more Homo-friendly than Muslims.

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    Gay marriage is legal in some Latin American countries, but that is because Catholics regardless of race are a lot more Homo-friendly than Muslims.
     
    For tush in the Kush, no place beats Pedera[fghani]stan. Indeed, the whole Sotadic Zone. Burton spoke from experience.
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  137. @tanabear
    Donald Trump should give a speech where he addresses Hillary Clinton and her ties to the SJW ideology.

    Donald Trump should give a speech where he addresses Hillary Clinton and her ties to the SJW ideology.

    Absolutely!

    And he might want to add that he has a Jewish daughter and grandchildren, and Hillary is off her rocker! And that she and the media will tell any lie imaginable if they think it will score them points. And that the entire campaign is one of distracting the American public from the fact that she is hostile to them, while Trump supports them.

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  138. JerryC says:

    So apparently the alt right is to be assigned the Emmanuel Goldstein role that the Koch Brothers were assigned in the last off-year election. Every MSM story attacking the right had some kind of lame Koch Brothers tie-in. I don’t think the Kochtapus stuff was very effective, but maybe they can keep people interested by digging up all kinds of wacky quotes on alt right websites and finding some tenuous Trump connection.

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    Green frogs are more fun than Koch white papers.
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  139. @Ed
    They're going for the kill shot. I think it was Plouffe that tweeted that Trump doesn't only have to be defeated but soundly so his type never fises again. The Right will be allowed to exist but only on the Left's terms.

    Hillary isn't even campaigning and she's winning running away. Several polls came out today and none of them could be described as good for Trump. VA is out of reach. FL poll came out with Clinton up double digits. Another has him up one in Missouri and tied in SC although that one was a Dem sponsored poll.

    We can win, win, win ….

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    Massive. Train. Wreck.
    , @Clifford Brown
    The Alt-Right must embrace its anthems.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9OO0S5w2k
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  140. @Jefferson
    "Let’s be honest, they won’t focus on Unz or Breitbart."

    I disagree. I believe Crooked Hildabeast will name drop Breitbart during her Thursday speech because Donald Trump hired Breitbart executive Stephen K. Bannon to be part of his campaign team. Notice The Donald didn't hire anybody from The Unz.

    Breitbart has been getting a lot of free publicity lately from 24 hour cable news. Just today Fox News has name dropped Breitbart several times.


    "I predict there’s going to be an emphasis on the more embarrassing parts of reddit (however you feel about PUA, its reddit community isn’t the face you want to display) and 4chan (a very frightening website!!!) with an aside linking everything to Stormfront or something."

    If Crooked Hildabeast really wants to put a final nail on the coffin of the Alt-Right in terms of making it extremely unappealing to nice mainstream White Americans, she should bring up The Vanguard News Network Forum where you can advocate for the murder of all Jews and the moderators there still won't delete your comment.

    The people who run The Vanguard News Network Forum are so Far Nazi Right that they don't think Stormfront is anti-Semitic enough. They think Stormfront goes too soft on the Jews.

    Somebody’s got to push the Overton window

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  141. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @SFG
    I didn't call you anything, at least intentionally, and I'm pro-2nd amendment. But tell me, do you think frog memes (yes, I enjoy them too) and Nazi imagery make you more popular with the general American public, or less?

    You must be particularly dense if you cannot recognize my response as a response to the sort of names the Hillary campaign is going to be slinging around.

    Do you think that those who have been attending Trump’s campaigns have not heard all the Main Slime Media claims that Trump is the new Hitler, or that Trump is, gasp, actually worse than Hitler?

    It is impossible to have missed the Main Slime Media’s portrayal of Trump over the last 12 months, and one does not have to read Trump the Press to know how rabid the Main Slime Media have been in their attacks on Trump.

    Claims that Trump supporters are Nazis will be water off a ducks back.

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  142. It cones down to Alt-Right, or All-Trite, doesn’t it?

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  143. Jefferson says:

    I notice that among the Nonwhites who have gotten to know Donald Trump personally, most of them come out and say he is not racist.

    I remember when Judge Jeanine Pirro was interviewing Latino, African American, and Indian/Sikh employees at Trump Towers, they all said Donald is not racist because they know him personally. They said if they thought he was a racist they would have quit their jobs.

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    Don't forget Sheriff Clarke. This guy is the definition of the "gift that keeps on giving," every time there is a shooting in an "inner city." Bro, I love you, bro, indeed.
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  144. Lagertha says:
    @Daniel H
    I hope that she calls out the UNZ review, and even you personally. There is no such thing as bad publicity.

    Well, they will stumble when calling out Breitbart personally.

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  145. @Daniel H
    I hope that she calls out the UNZ review, and even you personally. There is no such thing as bad publicity.

    She won’t. Steve and Unz are too nice and intellectual. If people found their way here and started reading it would blow up in her face.

    The boogeyman she’s looking for is Andrew Anglin and The Daily Stormer. The place where the dark heart of the alt right beats.

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    "The Daily Stormer. The place where the dark heart of the alt right beats."

    Isn't that just the "traditional" far-right? I'd have thought alt-right was something like this 2015 Dark Enlightenment graphic (now a little out of date), plus Twitter people like Ricky Vaughan, plus the various 4chan / mpc / reddit threads.

    https://alfinnextlevel.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/darkenlightenment2.png
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  146. @JerryC
    So apparently the alt right is to be assigned the Emmanuel Goldstein role that the Koch Brothers were assigned in the last off-year election. Every MSM story attacking the right had some kind of lame Koch Brothers tie-in. I don't think the Kochtapus stuff was very effective, but maybe they can keep people interested by digging up all kinds of wacky quotes on alt right websites and finding some tenuous Trump connection.

    Green frogs are more fun than Koch white papers.

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  147. unit472 says:

    The Rodhamster ( or her husband) is just dusting off 1997′s ”the communication stream of conspiracy commerce” or the ”Vast Right Wing Conspiracy” they used to mitigate the eruption of funding scandals during the 96 campaign. Given immigration levels it is probable many millions of new voters have not heard this tune before and millons of others will have forgotten it is a replay.

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  148. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Hosswire
    This seems like an odd choice of campaign time & energy for her. But it had to have been tested & polled to death before she went with it.

    So what's the benefit for her?

    My guess is that she will make the alt-right = Nazi connection & task her media minions to hammer it nonstop using all the plentiful imagery & memes available.

    If alt-right = Nazi & alt-right loves Trump then Trump = Hitler, right?

    The goal is to stoke her base into the kind of hysterics she cannot generate on her own. A pure "brown scare" play.

    The fact that it is coming directly from the candidate instead of the usual lower level media shriekers is notable.

    I wonder why this is happening now. Panic? Desperation? Or a hopeful coup de grace?

    Remember, just a few weeks ago Hillary unleashed her internet army to go argue on websites for her, and the Unz gained a few more trolls in the meantime. After a few feeble attempts at attacking, the trolls certainly went to their campaign coordinator all weepy and said, “You’ve got to get Ms. Potus-Ma’am to attack these Alt-Righters! They make us feel stupid! WAAAAH!” (The smarter Hillary supporters were no doubt reserved for the more well-known sites, and we got the half-witted dregs.)

    Their coordinator then looked the Unz over and freaked. No doubt Hillary, somewhat bewildered by all this, is wondering why the heck she needs to attack this crowd, but whatever. If it scores a few points for her, she’ll make the speech.

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    Hmmm? I think her staff (I don't think she is in the programming and planning stage anymore, seriously, anymore), is trying to do a preemptive strike to align the mysterious "Wayne's World"-like group of alt-right, or disparate people, with, ta-daaa!: Julian Assange. I think her campaign is very worried what Julian is gonna unleash. SO, they have to tie the American alt-right (DNC will link it to Anonymous...which is so funny in so many ways:) ) to Assange once he releases all the e-mails he and Snowden (maybe) have on yet, the ultimate, mother server of Hillary's or the Foundation's nefarious, extreme grafting! Assange is the strange dude everyone in DC still thought was in lock-down in the Ecaudorian embassy in London. He has had a loooong time to think, stew, plan, write manifestos, whatever!
    , @Avenge Harambe
    I think you may have a valid point. The brain-trust running Hillary's campaign just does not have the intellectual firepower of Obama's. Say what you will about him, but Axelrod was effective. Her campaign seems amateurish in comparison to past Democrat runs . Perhaps too many womyn in key roles?
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  149. Jefferson says:
    @Obamadon_Imbecilis
    Breitbart isn't even really an alt-right site per se, but is really more representative of the populist wing of mainstream conservatism. Alt-right ideas might have filtered down into it, and Milo might have drawn attention to the alt-right, but it's not really too different from mainstream conservatism except in tone and focus. Of course Hillary will denounce Breitbart as a white nationalist outlet, because she doesn't know or care about the nuances and divisions within the right, and it's just easier to smear your opponents anyways.

    “Breitbart isn’t even really an alt-right site per se,”

    If Alt-Right means no Jews allowed and no Goys who are friendly to Jews allowed, than Breitbart isn’t Alt-Right, neither is Donald Trump, and Gavin McInnes who likes to brag about how many Jewish women he has had sex with since moving to New York City during his single days.

    Milo, Jack D, Lot, and Syonredux can’t join the Alt-Right club either because of their Jew blood.

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    I wouldn't personally disqualify Jews from being alt-right, but being strongly Zionist as opposed to being focused solely on national interests in terms of foreign policy seems pretty at odds with the alt-right's core outlook, and Breitbart is certainly in line with standard GOP Zionism.
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  150. Lagertha says:
    @iSteveFan
    OT - Live Trump rally streaming from Austin (7:25 pm central). Trump is not yet speaking, but should be shortly.

    He is sooo hitting this out of the park! And, the moms losing their children…amazing…I cried. Sooo moving, never have I seen anything like this event. It was Brilliant!

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    Yes it was powerful with those mothers on stage. I can't wait to wake up tomorrow and check my smartphone news app. I am sure the media will accurately report what took place.

    Seriously, I am getting reluctant to even open the news app. Every day every headline on Trump is negative, and if there is one on Hillary, it is positive.

    Tonight I flipped on a couple late nate shows, Jimmy Kimmel and Colbert. I just watched long enough to seen them mock people for suggesting Hillary's health is a concern. Hillary's health must be getting traction among the hoi polloi. It was really something to see these comedians who are supposed to satirize our leaders rushing to satirize those who feel something is not quite right about Hillary.
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  151. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @MarkinLA
    If only people would stop using it and facebook. I would love to see the stocks crash.

    Twitter’s already down about 60% from its IPO. Facebook is up about 160%.

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  152. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @ben tillman
    Well, did you ask him what the limit is? She -- like all other mainstream politicians in this and other white countries -- has never even suggested that there is one. Put him on the spot!

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    I can't tell if that Brown girl Hildabeast is hugging is Southeast Asian or just one of those Amerindian Hispanics with Chino eyes.
    , @Das
    I think Hillary Clinton is less likely to pull a Merkel than someone like Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio, honestly. She wants immigrant votes. She doesn't want flows so rapid and alarming that they get Trump elected in 2020.

    Establishment Democrats are cynically manipulating the immigration issue for votes. Establishment Republicans are actually wide-eyed true believers in mass immigration of cheap labor, and are willing to increase immigration even when they know it's bad for them politically.
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  153. Dr. X says:
    @Anonymous
    It's not that puzzling. The alt-right has been promoting the delegitimization of elections and the political process in anticipation of a possible Trump loss in November. In the event of a Trump loss, that will eventually entail extra-electoral and extra-political activities. Hillary is laying the groundwork for the narrative that will be deployed if and when the government feels necessary to crack down as the alt-right's extra-electoral/political activity intensifies.

    Hillary is laying the groundwork for the narrative that will be deployed if and when the government feels necessary to crack down as the alt-right’s extra-electoral/political activity intensifies.

    EXCELLENT observation, my man. Hillary is setting the stage to control the Internet, ban “alt-right hate speech,” and prosecute potential “domestic terrorists” “like Tim McVeigh.”

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    "EXCELLENT observation, my man. Hillary is setting the stage to control the Internet, ban “alt-right hate speech,” and prosecute potential “domestic terrorists” “like Tim McVeigh.”

    Timothy McVeigh was anti-government the same way Alex Jones is anti-government. Timothy was not some White supremacist Hitler lover.

    In fact it's an oxymoron to hate government and worship Adolf Hitler at the same time, because Adolf was a big government Socialist. He didn't favor smaller government. Adolf was no Libertine live free or die guy. Hitler supported government overreach.
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  154. Paul Kersey says: • Website

    Steve,

    Let’s be honest: if there’s a serious troll out there wanting to create the absolute funniest video of all-time, they’d crash the Clinton speech dressed as a Green Frog.

    2016 will be defined by the meme wars: Clinton has one — Trump is a Nazi and he must be stopped to save democracy.

    Funny to think Clinton is about to devout a big speech, with the help of her public relations assets working for corporate media, to try and connect a green frog, Moon Man, and Harambe as the great Alt-Right against Humanity…

    Let that sink for a moment.

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    can we bore them with golf posts from the past?
    , @Avenge Harambe
    "Funny to think Clinton is about to devout a big speech, with the help of her public relations assets working for corporate media, to try and connect a green frog, Moon Man, and Harambe as the great Alt-Right against Humanity… "

    Indeed PK! I can see it now " We must make Amurrikka safe from the mean cartoon meme menace!"

    The average lefty most surely operates at the emotional level of a five year old.
    , @Bill
    Pepe has a name, you know.
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  155. Lagertha says:
    @Jefferson
    I notice that among the Nonwhites who have gotten to know Donald Trump personally, most of them come out and say he is not racist.

    I remember when Judge Jeanine Pirro was interviewing Latino, African American, and Indian/Sikh employees at Trump Towers, they all said Donald is not racist because they know him personally. They said if they thought he was a racist they would have quit their jobs.

    Don’t forget Sheriff Clarke. This guy is the definition of the “gift that keeps on giving,” every time there is a shooting in an “inner city.” Bro, I love you, bro, indeed.

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    Clarification: I am a YUGE fan of Sheriff Clarke. How can we all be so lucky that this man, who I am sure is getting tons of hate messages, is willing to put his honesty and life on the line to call out the hypocrisy he sees as a cop? Also, weirdly, Cornell West is stepping onto thin ice for his conscience as well. This is the weirdest election evah!
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  156. Jefferson says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/768233105735974912

    I can’t tell if that Brown girl Hildabeast is hugging is Southeast Asian or just one of those Amerindian Hispanics with Chino eyes.

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    Who's more attractive. Hillary or the flat faced girl?
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  157. Ed says:
    @The most deplorable one
    You must talk to a different group of women than I do, and perhaps you ignore all those women who attend Trump's rallies.

    However, I will admit that I talk to a lot of women of color in CA (not women of choler) so maybe the white women in your circles are cowed or perhaps just pretending.

    There certainly seems to be plenty of white women and even black women at Trump's rallies.

    You’re delusional or lying.

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  158. Dr. X says:
    @Unladen Swallow
    You misspelled you own moniker this time, troll. You need to settle down and really need to pay attention to these things.

    You misspelled you own moniker this time, troll. You need to settle down and really need to pay attention to these things.

    Perhaps he was trying to identify himself as “Tiny Dick”?

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  159. Das says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/768233105735974912

    I think Hillary Clinton is less likely to pull a Merkel than someone like Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio, honestly. She wants immigrant votes. She doesn’t want flows so rapid and alarming that they get Trump elected in 2020.

    Establishment Democrats are cynically manipulating the immigration issue for votes. Establishment Republicans are actually wide-eyed true believers in mass immigration of cheap labor, and are willing to increase immigration even when they know it’s bad for them politically.

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  160. Dr. X says:
    @Hosswire
    This seems like an odd choice of campaign time & energy for her. But it had to have been tested & polled to death before she went with it.

    So what's the benefit for her?

    My guess is that she will make the alt-right = Nazi connection & task her media minions to hammer it nonstop using all the plentiful imagery & memes available.

    If alt-right = Nazi & alt-right loves Trump then Trump = Hitler, right?

    The goal is to stoke her base into the kind of hysterics she cannot generate on her own. A pure "brown scare" play.

    The fact that it is coming directly from the candidate instead of the usual lower level media shriekers is notable.

    I wonder why this is happening now. Panic? Desperation? Or a hopeful coup de grace?

    My guess is that she will make the alt-right = Nazi connection & task her media minions to hammer it nonstop using all the plentiful imagery & memes available.

    If alt-right = Nazi & alt-right loves Trump then Trump = Hitler, right?

    Well, the WaPo article was written by “Rebecca Shabad,” so the “Nazi” angle would surely play well with Hillary’s flacks in the Jewish-controlled media.

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  161. Boomstick says:
    @Honorary Thief
    That's not really fair to Taylor, who is a really smart and reasonable guy.

    I haven’t read much by him, but what little I have makes me agree with you. He’s pretty smart, the “reasonable” part can be argued. It’s certainly intellectually interesting. But the excitable readers of the WaPo aren’t really capable of rational discussion on the subject. The moment they hear “white nationalist” they’ll come unglued and accuse him and anyone who ever saw him on the street of plotting genocide.

    The thoroughly documented HBD aspect of the alt-right is at best a borderline topic in the public arena. It’s true, sure, but passing up a chance to virtue-signal is not the strong suit of today’s chattering classes, even if it does require that they espouse lies. One can draw multiple conclusions from the facts of HBD, from the quite mild and reasonable views of Steve to the intellectually interesting but more extreme views of Taylor. The objective of the media here is to associate HBD with the extreme policy views so they can dismiss the entire subject without bothering to address the factual basis.

    Actually, that’s secondary. The primary reason is to associate the whole thing with Trump and immigration. The alt-right believes in HBD, the alt-right think Trump is OK, therefore Trump agrees with the alt-right, and anything Trump says about immigration is the policy of Jared Taylor, who is in turn the same thing as Hitler, which makes Trump the same as Hitler when you think about it. Sure, that chain of reasoning has any logician scratching his head, but it’s a useful rhetorical ploy for manipulating the public.

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    Yeah, but Hitler was a big-time fan of censorship. The current Democrats and SJW's and MSM are fans of censorship (safe spaces/ trigger warnings/blocking right-wing-like speakers from university lectures/NPR dropping commenters as did CNN a while back/saying only nicey-nice things about immigrants, etc., etc. etc.) The DNC is very Totalitarian since they are out to excoriate, expose, exterminate the alt-right. Who is the real fascist, the ones that are going to squash things down/expose people? or the ones who are going to squash things down/expose people/possibly depose people/but, certainly excoriate people? Good luck chasing windmills :) to slay. Slaying is not what Democrats are even good at; it's not "who they are," errghgmmgmph (Clinton-like cough) ...ha, ha, haa hah!
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  162. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    You are a racist, Nazi, homophobic, Alt-Righter.

    OK, I guess I am not going to vote for Trump.

    You Holocaust Denier, Nazi, bitter clinger!

    Wow, that is such an innovative nasty name you have called me. I guess I am not going to vote this November.

    You small-handed small dicked Trump supporter! You should be ashamed.

    OK, now I am really not going to vote because my manhood is not good enough.

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  163. Jefferson says:
    @Dr. X

    Hillary is laying the groundwork for the narrative that will be deployed if and when the government feels necessary to crack down as the alt-right’s extra-electoral/political activity intensifies.
     
    EXCELLENT observation, my man. Hillary is setting the stage to control the Internet, ban "alt-right hate speech," and prosecute potential "domestic terrorists" "like Tim McVeigh."

    “EXCELLENT observation, my man. Hillary is setting the stage to control the Internet, ban “alt-right hate speech,” and prosecute potential “domestic terrorists” “like Tim McVeigh.”

    Timothy McVeigh was anti-government the same way Alex Jones is anti-government. Timothy was not some White supremacist Hitler lover.

    In fact it’s an oxymoron to hate government and worship Adolf Hitler at the same time, because Adolf was a big government Socialist. He didn’t favor smaller government. Adolf was no Libertine live free or die guy. Hitler supported government overreach.

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  164. Lot says:
    @Lurker

    crooked Hildabeast most likely does not even know who Steve Sailer is.
     
    Does Hillary even look at the internet? Seriously, does she actually have any idea what's going on? I note that many older people use the internet, but simply replicate their original MSM consumption online. They're just reading the same lugenpresse they always did, merely in a different format. Plus they absolutely refuse to read online comments on MSM articles. Believe me I've tried to get older relatives to take notice of things like that and they just won't acknowledge it means anything. (Not everyone over 65 is like this of course)

    Hillary is supposed to be a connected, switched on person and I'm sure she has no end of people advising. But for herself, is the internet actually a thing at all, I suspect not.

    I note that many older people use the internet, but simply replicate their original MSM consumption online.

    The equivalent in business are the old guys whose secretaries print out all of their e-mails then hand them to him.

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  165. @Anonymous
    Bear in mind that the event that triggered "Trump's embracing the alt-right" was his recent hiring of Breitbart's Bannon. Breitbart is likely the evil face of alt-rightism to the Buzzfeed journalist class.

    Why did Weigel go with Sailer/Brimelow/Jared? Dug deeper into the old-school?

    The Narrative last week and this week is that Trump is pivoting with his vague apology speech and ham-fisted outreach to Black Americans. The counterattack to this Narrative is that Trump has gone all-in extremist by hiring Bannon and aligning himself with populist Breitbart.

    Trump will be deemed an “Alt-Right meanie” because of his association with Bannon and Breitbart. As always, truth is secondary. The Clinton assumption is that the calling Trump alt-right will scare off the moderates and soccer moms in the Philly suburbs that Trump needs in order to win. We all fully expect that Clinton’s corruption scandals will continue to explode in the lead up to the election and will be so prevalent that the media will not be able to cover them up. The average White middle class non-idealogical voter will have to choose between the “corrupt candidate” or the “racist candidate”. Most moderates will choose corruption over the appearance of racism.

    I think it’s a good strategy especially when Clinton’s narrative will receive the full support of the media. Who would be surprised if the Washington Post article featuring Mr. Sailer was done in coordination with the Clinton campaign for the speech on Thursday? Also, I am sure that big donors are concerned over the alt-right and Clinton’s speech will likely increase her fundraising.

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  166. Lagertha says:
    @Johanus de Morgateroyde
    Don't expect the "alt-right" that Hillary denounces to be anything you'd recognize.

    She has the megaphone, and she's going to define what the alt-right is. She's going to build a strawman and then she's going to burn it down. It's just a convenience that the term "alt-right" has gotten a little play, but not so much that people really know what it is.

    By Thursday, Hillary's minions at Google will have the search engine returning stormfront.org and the most outrageous, egregious websites that nobody's ever heard of when someone puts "alt-right" in the search bar.

    They're not planning on playing fair.

    I agree with your last paragraph…weirdly, I think many “younger” people she is paying to weed out the alt-right ‘sons (some daughters!) of anarchy,’ will be alarmed by her health. Her health will become an issue. I may be biased because my mother is having severe memory issues; but, my son’s 6th grade math teacher was early Alzheimer’s, and now, 7 years later at age 64 is full Alzheimer’s and institutionalized. Hillary is having health issues so everything about this election is gonna get weirder. Her clothes, for instance, are really weird as far as very “full burqa-like” these last weeks. And, all her strange affectations are displayed on U-Tube. It’s very ‘Fringe,’ like…do we say something or not?! hmmm? why should we feel comfortable with her with the fracking nuclear codes?

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    It's not just her health. My younger sibling and his circle are liberal but hate her, and I think it's mostly prejudice against older people.

    I think "age-ism" is a normal human response, but it's usually been tempered by family ties and introspection, both of which are disintegrating or completely gone now.

    I agree with Scott Adams that Hillary's avoidance behavior re her health on the Jimmy Kimmel show indicates she is not healthy. But what "not healthy" means, I don't know. I would like to believe she is seriously ill in some way that will become apparent soon, but I don't really have any reason to think that. I doubt she has a serious drinking problem, and being helped up stairs, etc might just be precautionary. Perhaps it's just a thyroid disorder.

    As others have pointed out, she may be wearing a bullet-proof vest, which would explain the strange clothing.
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  167. @eggheadshadhisnumber
    Conway is hinting that Trump might try to shift his position on deportation of nonviolent illegals over the next few days. The media is reporting a delay on his immigration address and cancellation of rallies in Nevada, Colorado, and Oregon. Cheap foreign labor, eleven million strong, being allowed to remain here would continue to cripple our working class.

    Trump denied any of this was true and was basically pt. XXXVI of Latinos hearing things that weren’t said.

    I’m going to take Sen. Sessions’ word over some conspiracy theory nonsense about cancelled rallies.

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  168. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Boomstick
    So that was the genesis of Dave Weigel's pieces in the WaPo. He had a head's-up that this was coming, and was preparing the ground for the Clinton campaign.

    Time Magazine’s recent cover story discussed the (racist, bigoted, extremist) alt-right.

    http://time.com/4457110/internet-trolls/

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    they're just jealous. It's still H.S. until you're dead. OK, brain short circuiting!
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  169. Boomstick says:
    @Name Withheld
    They have wanted to do this for a while, but feared that it would quadruple the people interested in the alt-right literally overnight.

    Quadrupling next to nothing is still next to nothing. While the HBD side of the alt-right has the facts on their side and I think is becoming an intellectual force even if it dare not speak its name in polite society yet, in the wider world it’s still a subject for vilification .

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  170. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Ed
    They're going for the kill shot. I think it was Plouffe that tweeted that Trump doesn't only have to be defeated but soundly so his type never fises again. The Right will be allowed to exist but only on the Left's terms.

    Hillary isn't even campaigning and she's winning running away. Several polls came out today and none of them could be described as good for Trump. VA is out of reach. FL poll came out with Clinton up double digits. Another has him up one in Missouri and tied in SC although that one was a Dem sponsored poll.

    Some of the state polls released today (Hillary up by double digits in FL, for example) look terrible. But the LA Times has them neck-in-neck nationally. Odd. http://www.latimes.com/politics/

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    Nate Silver has a good piece on 538 about the LA Times polls. He says because it weights to people's votes in 2012 for POTUS it leans to the right. He says it's not a good method since people forget whom they vote for. Not sure I buy that but here you go.

    At any rate if you follow the trend of the poll it hasn't been a good month for Trump either.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-leave-the-la-times-poll-alone/
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  171. Trelane says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    You're delusional if you think the White Working Class needs to master the finer points of IQ test score psychometrics in order to wage a revolt against the very open and very deliberate race-replacement immigration policy. You and other IQ test psychometric mad calibrators are clueless.

    Intelligent people and groups determine outcomes is what I say.

    Delusional? Hardly. No, it is persons such as yourself who are delusional. Self-deluded no doubt. Rather insane I’d say since you cannot rationalize your beliefs.

    Groovy.

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  172. @Bee
    Alt-righters/Steve Sailer-fans/etc.: "We support a total nutcase for president because he promised us goodies!"

    What happens when he (inevitably) revokes the promise?
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/donald-trump-immigration/497021/

    I see the Hillary interns are out in force trying to push this BS.

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  173. @Jefferson
    "I think you’re naive about how much of the populace has internalized the views of the left. “Independents” and “centrists” are still rabidly “anti-racist” and “pro-nice”."

    I agree. I hate how so many people here in the comments section of The Unz vastly overestimate how Right Ring the average American voter is. They mean the same average American voter who voted for Barack Hussein Obama not only once but twice. Anybody who voted for Barack twice is not a natural Alt-Righter. People here are starting to sound like the GOP establishment who say that Hispanics are natural Conservatives.

    A lot of people not voting for Romney (who was dead set on passing amnesty) isn’t the same as people voting for Obama.

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  174. Lagertha says:
    @Boomstick
    I haven't read much by him, but what little I have makes me agree with you. He's pretty smart, the "reasonable" part can be argued. It's certainly intellectually interesting. But the excitable readers of the WaPo aren't really capable of rational discussion on the subject. The moment they hear "white nationalist" they'll come unglued and accuse him and anyone who ever saw him on the street of plotting genocide.

    The thoroughly documented HBD aspect of the alt-right is at best a borderline topic in the public arena. It's true, sure, but passing up a chance to virtue-signal is not the strong suit of today's chattering classes, even if it does require that they espouse lies. One can draw multiple conclusions from the facts of HBD, from the quite mild and reasonable views of Steve to the intellectually interesting but more extreme views of Taylor. The objective of the media here is to associate HBD with the extreme policy views so they can dismiss the entire subject without bothering to address the factual basis.

    Actually, that's secondary. The primary reason is to associate the whole thing with Trump and immigration. The alt-right believes in HBD, the alt-right think Trump is OK, therefore Trump agrees with the alt-right, and anything Trump says about immigration is the policy of Jared Taylor, who is in turn the same thing as Hitler, which makes Trump the same as Hitler when you think about it. Sure, that chain of reasoning has any logician scratching his head, but it's a useful rhetorical ploy for manipulating the public.

    Yeah, but Hitler was a big-time fan of censorship. The current Democrats and SJW’s and MSM are fans of censorship (safe spaces/ trigger warnings/blocking right-wing-like speakers from university lectures/NPR dropping commenters as did CNN a while back/saying only nicey-nice things about immigrants, etc., etc. etc.) The DNC is very Totalitarian since they are out to excoriate, expose, exterminate the alt-right. Who is the real fascist, the ones that are going to squash things down/expose people? or the ones who are going to squash things down/expose people/possibly depose people/but, certainly excoriate people? Good luck chasing windmills :) to slay. Slaying is not what Democrats are even good at; it’s not “who they are,” errghgmmgmph (Clinton-like cough) …ha, ha, haa hah!

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  175. @Anonymous
    Trump’s base is angry, socially inept, insecure whites who need to believe they are the master race and that their perceived failure is the fault of a mass conspiracy by Jews/blacks/feminists/Mexicans to “steal” their privilege. Sad, pathetic and extremely dangerous. This well armed cohort of radical, America hating extremists is the greatest threat the nation has ever faced. The last time these scum were in ascendency was in the late 1850s. We know what happened shortly thereafter.

    “Socially inept.” Of all insults! This election is unhinging people.

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  176. Lagertha says:
    @Paul Kersey
    Steve,

    Let's be honest: if there's a serious troll out there wanting to create the absolute funniest video of all-time, they'd crash the Clinton speech dressed as a Green Frog.

    2016 will be defined by the meme wars: Clinton has one -- Trump is a Nazi and he must be stopped to save democracy.

    Funny to think Clinton is about to devout a big speech, with the help of her public relations assets working for corporate media, to try and connect a green frog, Moon Man, and Harambe as the great Alt-Right against Humanity...

    Let that sink for a moment.

    can we bore them with golf posts from the past?

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  177. Dems would help themselves more if they stuck to Trump=far right = hate =David Duke = KKK= Hitler, and likewise for denunciations of Breitbart.com.

    “Alt-right” is too esoteric for mass market voters.

    Furthermore, “alt-” denotes something young peepul like. Dems should stick to the message that only old, uneducated whites support Trump. Trump –> alt-right implies the contrary.

    The Wicked Witch will only do herself a dis-service if she orates about the alt-right, instead of sticking to Trump and Breitbart = Hitler rhetoric. . “Alt-right” is too recondite.

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    Old, uneducated whites = known quantity, about to die off anyway.

    Esoteric = spooky, sinister, amorphous, unknown-because-secretive, wildcard, etc.

    Forget Russia. Trump = Manchurian candidate of hidden Satanic racist alt-right cabal.
    , @Desiderius

    Dems should stick to the message that only old, uneducated whites support Trump. Trump –> alt-right implies the contrary.
     
    This.

    Short-term payoff with people of a conservative temperament who tend to be older, long-term liability with the young looking for a new take on things.

    The young will vote more over their lifetime than the old, as they have more elections left.
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  178. Lagertha says:
    @Anon
    Remember, just a few weeks ago Hillary unleashed her internet army to go argue on websites for her, and the Unz gained a few more trolls in the meantime. After a few feeble attempts at attacking, the trolls certainly went to their campaign coordinator all weepy and said, "You've got to get Ms. Potus-Ma'am to attack these Alt-Righters! They make us feel stupid! WAAAAH!" (The smarter Hillary supporters were no doubt reserved for the more well-known sites, and we got the half-witted dregs.)

    Their coordinator then looked the Unz over and freaked. No doubt Hillary, somewhat bewildered by all this, is wondering why the heck she needs to attack this crowd, but whatever. If it scores a few points for her, she'll make the speech.

    Hmmm? I think her staff (I don’t think she is in the programming and planning stage anymore, seriously, anymore), is trying to do a preemptive strike to align the mysterious “Wayne’s World”-like group of alt-right, or disparate people, with, ta-daaa!: Julian Assange. I think her campaign is very worried what Julian is gonna unleash. SO, they have to tie the American alt-right (DNC will link it to Anonymous…which is so funny in so many ways:) ) to Assange once he releases all the e-mails he and Snowden (maybe) have on yet, the ultimate, mother server of Hillary’s or the Foundation’s nefarious, extreme grafting! Assange is the strange dude everyone in DC still thought was in lock-down in the Ecaudorian embassy in London. He has had a loooong time to think, stew, plan, write manifestos, whatever!

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  179. Jeeze, you guys are freaking out about “they’re going to call us racists!!!!” pt. MCMVII. Any excuse to bust out the zipper mask and declare how we are all doomed yet again.

    So far there’s been Journolist, the DNC Email dump, and wikileaks and all some of you can do, when confronted with conflicting information, is mutter about how we are going to lose.

    Good grief.

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  180. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Michael Tracey on this.

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  181. From the CBS News link:

    … The “alt-right” is considered to be a movement, shunned by traditional conservatives, that rejects notions of equality among ethnic groups and genders…

    So The Witch is going to claim that she is more of a traditional conservative than Trump, as she defines “traditional conservatism.” That’s her angle. “Alt-right” = old Right = KKK = Hitler.

    In my opinion, this is also not as effective as simply insisting to her mass audience that Trump = KKK = Hitler. Many Dem voters don’t want to vote for anything labeled “conservative,” even if the Witch claims that she, too, is conservative.

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    The suggested Hillary formula is closer to: alt right = bigots = Trump. Shunned by traditional conservatives = even worse.
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  182. @Honorary Thief
    That's not really fair to Taylor, who is a really smart and reasonable guy.

    I like Taylor, but you can watch videos of him on Donahue saying that there’s nothing wrong with people of one race wanting to isolate themselves from the other races. Right or wrong, the ceiling for acceptance of that idea in America is very, very low.

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    I like Taylor, but you can watch videos of him on Donahue saying that there’s nothing wrong with people of one race wanting to isolate themselves from the other races. Right or wrong, the ceiling for acceptance of that idea in America is very, very low.
     
    Actually, the ceiling for acceptance of that idea in America is about 84%. I mean, who could possibly object to "racists" moving away from those they would putatively victimize? Actual acceptance is much lower, but the only argument against voluntary separation is that some people need to be enslaved as punishment for the actions of people of their race. Most people don't accept that idea; they're just distracted and deluded by the apparatus of public opinion formation.
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  183. Lagertha says:
    @candid_observer
    The real issue is: how can Hillary make any of this alt-right stuff stick to Donald Trump in particular? She can of course talk as though support from the alt-right means that Donald Trump is alt-right, but that sort of one-sided admiration tends not to be very convincing. If Trump responds that he doesn't even know what she's talking about with the alt-right -- and frankly he probably genuinely doesn't -- how far does it go? David Duke admires Trump, and that couldn't be made to stick.

    My guess is all she will be able to make stick, in some measure, is his connection to Breitbart, because Steve Bannon came from Breitbart. But Breitbart isn't such a juicy target, I think. Breitbart tends to be pretty careful to push the envelope only so far. I gather there's an Hillary ad decrying Breitbart in which, for example, there's point and sputter over headlines such as "Would You Rather Your Child Had Feminism or Cancer?"

    I find it a little hard to believe that the typical swing voter is going to be much moved by quoting these sorts of headlines, provocative though they may be. This is especially true when it is one step removed from the candidate himself, who obviously didn't actually say these things.

    I think it is all “sand-bagging” for Assange’s ultimate revelations about the Clintons/The Foundation in the fall – which he threatens to. I mean, why is the Clinton Foundation registered in Canada? duh, I know why, but Assange is gonna call her on this fact (that will weird-out American voters) since he is anti-war…and will call her out on her warmongering. Assange can not be “disappeared,” and weirdly, he is housed in a very peculiar South American “safe house.”

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  184. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Steve primp up because you are going to be invited onto a lot of cable News panels from now on. Right side of history achieved.

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  185. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @eggheadshadhisnumber
    Conway is hinting that Trump might try to shift his position on deportation of nonviolent illegals over the next few days. The media is reporting a delay on his immigration address and cancellation of rallies in Nevada, Colorado, and Oregon. Cheap foreign labor, eleven million strong, being allowed to remain here would continue to cripple our working class.
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    This is the guy who wrote The Art of the Deal. Of course he's going to moderate his initial position.

    You ask for the world, then you settle for something less. You say you're going to deport 11 million, then you settle for vigorously enforcing the law. Coupled with building an effective wall/fence.

    End result. The really bad guys go back first and the wall keeps most of them out in future. Most of the 11 million leave voluntarily since they can't get a job because the Trump administration comes down hard on those who hire illegals.

    Did ANYONE seriously think Trump was ever going to round up 11 million illegals in the first months of his administration? Seriously?
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  186. @flamadiddle
    We can win, win, win ....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4IsUxni0BY

    Massive. Train. Wreck.

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  187. Boomstick says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    Perhaps Hillary is just hallucinating a vast Alt-Right conspiracy?

    Snarking aside, I've always held that the Alt-Right is essentially rooted in a Traditionalist alternative to Classical Liberalism and modernity. I doubt there are very many Alt-Righters who get that deep about it and there are no doubt some who would fervently reject my characterization, but I still believe the Alt-Right is basically an adumbration---a first sign or symptom---of emerging anti-modernism, and is consequently grasped only confusedly even by most who are sympathetic to it. Its enemies are incapable of apprehending it without contempt, derision, and hysterical disgust.

    Hillary Clinton must attack the Alt-Right because she is the enemy of everything it is. She lives in a world of lies and hates reality with a passion. This denunciation is existential for her. She really has no choice, for if she were to let up in the struggle the whole identity she's constructed for herself would fall apart.

    This means that she is at a disadvantage. The Alt-Right is already inside her head, driving her insane. The appropriate response for Trump would be to double down on everything. An increasingly unhinged Hillary Clinton, screaming in incoherent fits of rage, will be the inevitable result, and such will certainly do damage to her cause.

    There is no point in not clearly delineating the two camps. Let the election be a battle between common sense reality and Reset Rodham Clinton, the apotheosis of all Leftist lunacy.

    “I’ve always held that the Alt-Right is essentially rooted in a Traditionalist alternative to Classical Liberalism and modernity. ”

    I think it’s what some Classical Liberals have been driven to because the Left has knocked out the intellectual underpinning of Classical Liberalism. Liberalism in action requires that most of the nation believe in Liberalism, and certainly that the political elites do as well. If everyone you interact with is looking out for their fellow ethnic/sexual identity/vegan collective/gender first and thinking about abstract principles of justice several levels below that, then you’re a mug if you don’t start taking a hard look at doing the same. All the more so if the leadership of the nation is also arguing that abstract notions of justice are just a rhetorical ploy by whitey to keep the black man down.

    Sadly, I don’t think the Left realizes how quickly a Liberal attitude can end in a nation, and how hard it is to recreate it once gone.

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    Yes, what the Left seem to want is a multiracial society were every race but one organizes to defend its interests. Well that's just not possible, at least not in the long term.
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  188. alcogito says:
    @International Jew
    She won't mention Steve or anyone else by name, lest she help people find these websites and actually learn to think for themselves. She'll be as vague about who the alt-right is, as crime reports are about the identity of black suspects.

    And those who wonder what alt-right is will Google it, and get plenty of guidance. After all, even Wikipedia knows.

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    they will find Pentti Linkola, even if Wikipedia has redacted sooo much of his ideas, as far as 'the alt-right' - (more like "not quite right," although I think he's amazing); along with all kinds of really crazy people mixed with very intelligent people. It truly is a needle in the haystack to find anyone: alt right or just not-right, who could influence the vast populace of the USA. Why is this even a thing? - ok my brain is shortcircuiting - good night! Let's bore them with golf - re-enter all the past golf posts from now on!
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  189. iSteveFan says:
    @Lagertha
    He is sooo hitting this out of the park! And, the moms losing their children...amazing...I cried. Sooo moving, never have I seen anything like this event. It was Brilliant!

    Yes it was powerful with those mothers on stage. I can’t wait to wake up tomorrow and check my smartphone news app. I am sure the media will accurately report what took place.

    Seriously, I am getting reluctant to even open the news app. Every day every headline on Trump is negative, and if there is one on Hillary, it is positive.

    Tonight I flipped on a couple late nate shows, Jimmy Kimmel and Colbert. I just watched long enough to seen them mock people for suggesting Hillary’s health is a concern. Hillary’s health must be getting traction among the hoi polloi. It was really something to see these comedians who are supposed to satirize our leaders rushing to satirize those who feel something is not quite right about Hillary.

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    everything comes down to money. Celebrities are wondering, should I go out on a limb, say something, and risk my child not getting into that highly selective primary school? "nah, I'll drink the Cool-Aid and hope I don't die."

    Also, this summer, seriously, this summer my mother is having severe memory issues (she did have multiple bi-pass surgery 4 years ago) and it is scaring me. So...yeah...I have read so much about memory issues that I am freaked by what I saw, on camera, of Clinton. Scheisse, how many times has Alzheimers been discussed this year??? Dementia and blood clots are serious business. Brain cancer and lesions on your brain cause the same sort of spasms in speech and the "dead eyes," she has exhibited.

    , @Das
    If the public starts buying into the "Hillary is on her deathbed" rumors, expect her poll numbers to go way up. Because if she's about to die, the real candidate is the considerably more popular Tim Kaine, and she's just a temporary placeholder on the ballot.
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  190. Vendetta says:
    @AndrewR
    I don't understand how a guy with over 5m followers only gets a few hearts on each of his tweets, even after hours. Is twitter dying?

    No he just has terrible engagement. He’s boring and none of his followers give a damn about what he tweets.

    There’s a difference between having fans and having followers. Evidently he has a lot of followers but very few fans.

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  191. Lagertha says:
    @Lagertha
    Don't forget Sheriff Clarke. This guy is the definition of the "gift that keeps on giving," every time there is a shooting in an "inner city." Bro, I love you, bro, indeed.

    Clarification: I am a YUGE fan of Sheriff Clarke. How can we all be so lucky that this man, who I am sure is getting tons of hate messages, is willing to put his honesty and life on the line to call out the hypocrisy he sees as a cop? Also, weirdly, Cornell West is stepping onto thin ice for his conscience as well. This is the weirdest election evah!

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  192. I think it is all “sand-bagging” for Assange’s ultimate revelations about the Clintons/The Foundation in the fall – which he threatens to. I mean, why is the Clinton Foundation registered in Canada? duh, I know why, but Assange is gonna call her on this fact (that will weird-out American voters) since he is anti-war…

    That’s too complicated and hypothetical. The Witch would help herself more if she simply keeps saying that Assange is part of the vast right-wing conspiracy, if she needs to say anything at all about J. Assange.

    If I were running for office, I would not hire some of you alt-righties to be my campaign adviser. Simple, broad brush messages are appropriate for mass market democracy.

    You fellows over-complicate things.

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    Well, phew, I am relieved. I agree that " I know nutting, I know nutting." However, the bigger question is: if we are all losers living in our moms' basements, why would she make a point to address the mystical alt-right in NV?
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  193. Lagertha says:
    @iSteveFan
    Yes it was powerful with those mothers on stage. I can't wait to wake up tomorrow and check my smartphone news app. I am sure the media will accurately report what took place.

    Seriously, I am getting reluctant to even open the news app. Every day every headline on Trump is negative, and if there is one on Hillary, it is positive.

    Tonight I flipped on a couple late nate shows, Jimmy Kimmel and Colbert. I just watched long enough to seen them mock people for suggesting Hillary's health is a concern. Hillary's health must be getting traction among the hoi polloi. It was really something to see these comedians who are supposed to satirize our leaders rushing to satirize those who feel something is not quite right about Hillary.

    everything comes down to money. Celebrities are wondering, should I go out on a limb, say something, and risk my child not getting into that highly selective primary school? “nah, I’ll drink the Cool-Aid and hope I don’t die.”

    Also, this summer, seriously, this summer my mother is having severe memory issues (she did have multiple bi-pass surgery 4 years ago) and it is scaring me. So…yeah…I have read so much about memory issues that I am freaked by what I saw, on camera, of Clinton. Scheisse, how many times has Alzheimers been discussed this year??? Dementia and blood clots are serious business. Brain cancer and lesions on your brain cause the same sort of spasms in speech and the “dead eyes,” she has exhibited.

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  194. @Lagertha
    I agree with your last paragraph...weirdly, I think many "younger" people she is paying to weed out the alt-right 'sons (some daughters!) of anarchy,' will be alarmed by her health. Her health will become an issue. I may be biased because my mother is having severe memory issues; but, my son's 6th grade math teacher was early Alzheimer's, and now, 7 years later at age 64 is full Alzheimer's and institutionalized. Hillary is having health issues so everything about this election is gonna get weirder. Her clothes, for instance, are really weird as far as very "full burqa-like" these last weeks. And, all her strange affectations are displayed on U-Tube. It's very 'Fringe,' like...do we say something or not?! hmmm? why should we feel comfortable with her with the fracking nuclear codes?

    It’s not just her health. My younger sibling and his circle are liberal but hate her, and I think it’s mostly prejudice against older people.

    I think “age-ism” is a normal human response, but it’s usually been tempered by family ties and introspection, both of which are disintegrating or completely gone now.

    I agree with Scott Adams that Hillary’s avoidance behavior re her health on the Jimmy Kimmel show indicates she is not healthy. But what “not healthy” means, I don’t know. I would like to believe she is seriously ill in some way that will become apparent soon, but I don’t really have any reason to think that. I doubt she has a serious drinking problem, and being helped up stairs, etc might just be precautionary. Perhaps it’s just a thyroid disorder.

    As others have pointed out, she may be wearing a bullet-proof vest, which would explain the strange clothing.

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    No, she is having cognitive issues. No vests, thyroid/heart (all women are tested for that all the time); no syndrome to be cooked up here. She has some sort of brain issue (anyone, incl me, who has had experience with strokes, TBI, concussions, brain lesions, cancer, Alzheimer's, general dementia), knows that she is suffering from something. I don't see her reaching the Presidency, I just don't.

    People will see/notice; her supporters will see, and, yeah, you can't eff up the world to save her dignity or feelings. You just can't.

    I feel this way about my mother every time she wants to fly to her homeland, and drive in the states where she lives. At what point do I take her keys away and say, "no, you can't travel because you may not remember what gate in what airport you are waiting in...to board a plane to somewhere...that you forgot?" I can say my brain is short circuiting because I am a nobody, but HRC can't.
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  195. Lagertha says:
    @Boomstick
    So that was the genesis of Dave Weigel's pieces in the WaPo. He had a head's-up that this was coming, and was preparing the ground for the Clinton campaign.

    agree that the Clinton campaign is revving-up. However, I don’t think Hillary is specifically taking on the Alt-Right like a modern-day crusade…I think it is still a preemptive strike against Assange/Snowden/Alt-Right (is it a thing? :) and to malign, malign, malign! How dare Alt-Right, whoever they are/wherever they lurk, get in the way for the long, long, walk down the aisle for the coronation of Hillary. Barack and his minions burned her out for 8 years – now it’s grrrrl time.

    OT: She co-opted my: “My brain is short circuiting, so I gotta say good night.” Did anyone else catch that? I know I annoy a lot of you, but I am decidedly not ok with HRC co-opting my specific brain activity :) Also, does she not realize that I have reasons to say that I am actually, “not good” anymore/right now as far as my cognitive abilities? Hmmmm? I was amazed that she used the term “short circuit” since I have said that to you guys often when I go off the rails. But, sheesh, I am not running for President – my sons would disown me and leave the country!

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  196. @Chrisnonymous
    I like Taylor, but you can watch videos of him on Donahue saying that there's nothing wrong with people of one race wanting to isolate themselves from the other races. Right or wrong, the ceiling for acceptance of that idea in America is very, very low.

    I like Taylor, but you can watch videos of him on Donahue saying that there’s nothing wrong with people of one race wanting to isolate themselves from the other races. Right or wrong, the ceiling for acceptance of that idea in America is very, very low.

    Actually, the ceiling for acceptance of that idea in America is about 84%. I mean, who could possibly object to “racists” moving away from those they would putatively victimize? Actual acceptance is much lower, but the only argument against voluntary separation is that some people need to be enslaved as punishment for the actions of people of their race. Most people don’t accept that idea; they’re just distracted and deluded by the apparatus of public opinion formation.

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    Most people still seek to live in communities with people and culture similar to theirs. What mainstream America objects to, is the idea that white conservatives could pull off an Atlas shrugs.* For a variety of historical reasons, we are held responsible for liberal failures, and are expected to pay for them. In the past decade, the local civic organizations and media of my home region of Northeast Ohio have been pushing "regionalism" as a way to dilute the suburbs. Even National Review mentioned it four years ago.

    Think of it like the leftist hatred for homeschooling parents not doing their "civic duty" to socialize the child and "fight for good schools". They appropriate traditional right-wing messages for their own use without any of the same motivations.

    *Imagine that WCMs rejected military enlistment en masse, consumed less, and avoided tax as much as legally possible. The state would crumble.

    ^Notably, the "Afrikaner reservation" of Orania pays taxes to the state, but receives no services from it.
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  197. Das says:
    @iSteveFan
    Yes it was powerful with those mothers on stage. I can't wait to wake up tomorrow and check my smartphone news app. I am sure the media will accurately report what took place.

    Seriously, I am getting reluctant to even open the news app. Every day every headline on Trump is negative, and if there is one on Hillary, it is positive.

    Tonight I flipped on a couple late nate shows, Jimmy Kimmel and Colbert. I just watched long enough to seen them mock people for suggesting Hillary's health is a concern. Hillary's health must be getting traction among the hoi polloi. It was really something to see these comedians who are supposed to satirize our leaders rushing to satirize those who feel something is not quite right about Hillary.

    If the public starts buying into the “Hillary is on her deathbed” rumors, expect her poll numbers to go way up. Because if she’s about to die, the real candidate is the considerably more popular Tim Kaine, and she’s just a temporary placeholder on the ballot.

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    Tim Kaine is a dweeb that nobody knows anything about. His delivery of his ideas is sooo beyond lame. The youngsters will vote for Johnson & Steine before some baby-boomer, whose just a VP, a male VP to a female P, is still a thing, even for Millenials - so not bro material.
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  198. Lagertha says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    It's not just her health. My younger sibling and his circle are liberal but hate her, and I think it's mostly prejudice against older people.

    I think "age-ism" is a normal human response, but it's usually been tempered by family ties and introspection, both of which are disintegrating or completely gone now.

    I agree with Scott Adams that Hillary's avoidance behavior re her health on the Jimmy Kimmel show indicates she is not healthy. But what "not healthy" means, I don't know. I would like to believe she is seriously ill in some way that will become apparent soon, but I don't really have any reason to think that. I doubt she has a serious drinking problem, and being helped up stairs, etc might just be precautionary. Perhaps it's just a thyroid disorder.

    As others have pointed out, she may be wearing a bullet-proof vest, which would explain the strange clothing.

    No, she is having cognitive issues. No vests, thyroid/heart (all women are tested for that all the time); no syndrome to be cooked up here. She has some sort of brain issue (anyone, incl me, who has had experience with strokes, TBI, concussions, brain lesions, cancer, Alzheimer’s, general dementia), knows that she is suffering from something. I don’t see her reaching the Presidency, I just don’t.

    People will see/notice; her supporters will see, and, yeah, you can’t eff up the world to save her dignity or feelings. You just can’t.

    I feel this way about my mother every time she wants to fly to her homeland, and drive in the states where she lives. At what point do I take her keys away and say, “no, you can’t travel because you may not remember what gate in what airport you are waiting in…to board a plane to somewhere…that you forgot?” I can say my brain is short circuiting because I am a nobody, but HRC can’t.

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  199. Lagertha says:
    @Das
    If the public starts buying into the "Hillary is on her deathbed" rumors, expect her poll numbers to go way up. Because if she's about to die, the real candidate is the considerably more popular Tim Kaine, and she's just a temporary placeholder on the ballot.

    Tim Kaine is a dweeb that nobody knows anything about. His delivery of his ideas is sooo beyond lame. The youngsters will vote for Johnson & Steine before some baby-boomer, whose just a VP, a male VP to a female P, is still a thing, even for Millenials – so not bro material.

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  200. Lagertha says:
    @David Davenport
    I think it is all “sand-bagging” for Assange’s ultimate revelations about the Clintons/The Foundation in the fall – which he threatens to. I mean, why is the Clinton Foundation registered in Canada? duh, I know why, but Assange is gonna call her on this fact (that will weird-out American voters) since he is anti-war…

    That's too complicated and hypothetical. The Witch would help herself more if she simply keeps saying that Assange is part of the vast right-wing conspiracy, if she needs to say anything at all about J. Assange.

    If I were running for office, I would not hire some of you alt-righties to be my campaign adviser. Simple, broad brush messages are appropriate for mass market democracy.

    You fellows over-complicate things.

    Well, phew, I am relieved. I agree that ” I know nutting, I know nutting.” However, the bigger question is: if we are all losers living in our moms’ basements, why would she make a point to address the mystical alt-right in NV?

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  201. mobi says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Right. Don't assume Hillary's people haven't thought this through and focus-grouped it carefully.

    Right. Don’t assume Hillary’s people haven’t thought this through and focus-grouped it carefully.

    It strikes me more as reactionary.

    She’s clearly been thrown on the defensive over the Clinton Foundation, the health rumours, the tightening of the polls once again, and maybe even this:

    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/18/shock-poll-trumps-black-support-grows-6x-after-milwaukee-appeal/

    [LA Times poll shows big jump in Trump support recently among blacks.]

    This is kryptonite for her. If her support among blacks is anything less than overwhelming, she may be in real trouble.

    So, amp up the ‘Trump’s a closet nazi – what are you thinking?’ theme.

    It feels like a panic move. Hillary doesn’t like to risk big public appearances any more than absolutely necessary.

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  202. Lagertha says:
    @alcogito
    And those who wonder what alt-right is will Google it, and get plenty of guidance. After all, even Wikipedia knows.

    they will find Pentti Linkola, even if Wikipedia has redacted sooo much of his ideas, as far as ‘the alt-right’ – (more like “not quite right,” although I think he’s amazing); along with all kinds of really crazy people mixed with very intelligent people. It truly is a needle in the haystack to find anyone: alt right or just not-right, who could influence the vast populace of the USA. Why is this even a thing? – ok my brain is shortcircuiting – good night! Let’s bore them with golf – re-enter all the past golf posts from now on!

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  203. Lagertha says:
    @Anonymous
    Time Magazine's recent cover story discussed the (racist, bigoted, extremist) alt-right.

    http://time.com/4457110/internet-trolls/

    they’re just jealous. It’s still H.S. until you’re dead. OK, brain short circuiting!

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  204. gda says:
    @Anonymous
    Mass deportation was supposed to be a bargaining position, wasn't it? http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/trumps-off-the-record-remarks-new-york-times-went-public/?_r=0

    This is the guy who wrote The Art of the Deal. Of course he’s going to moderate his initial position.

    You ask for the world, then you settle for something less. You say you’re going to deport 11 million, then you settle for vigorously enforcing the law. Coupled with building an effective wall/fence.

    End result. The really bad guys go back first and the wall keeps most of them out in future. Most of the 11 million leave voluntarily since they can’t get a job because the Trump administration comes down hard on those who hire illegals.

    Did ANYONE seriously think Trump was ever going to round up 11 million illegals in the first months of his administration? Seriously?

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    It is logistically possible to conduct mass deportations.

    The polls I remember asking about why people support Trump had less support on immigration and foreign policy, the reasons we support him. The biggest reasons for his support were that he was a political outsider, would clean up the corruption, and would be better for the economy because of his business background.

    One has to consider the total domination of liberals in the cultural sphere.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/183413/americans-continue-shift-left-key-moral-issues.aspx?g_source=MORAL_ISSUES&g_medium=topic&g_campaign=tiles

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/191903/religious-groups-disagree-five-key-moral-issues.aspx?g_source=MORAL_ISSUES&g_medium=topic&g_campaign=tiles

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/163697/approve-marriage-blacks-whites.aspx
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  205. Lagertha says:
    @Mr. Blank
    It will be interesting to see the reaction to this speech, and how the "alt-right" gets covered by the media in general. Bringing the alt-right to greater public attention could very well backfire on the Left. Hey, one can hope!

    I'm still waiting for the Left to wake up to the fact that, as guys like Rod Dreher keep trying to explain to them, the "post-religious right" is going to be a very, very different animal than what they're used to. Most of the liberals I speak with are still under the impression that the "alt-right" is somehow part of the Koch brothers/Christian fundamentalist Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy, and they're pretty sure they can just run the same old playbook against them.

    Eventually they'll catch on, but right now it's fun to watch them stumble around. Like neocons who are still fighting the Cold War, liberals are lunging at shadows, trying to battle the empty space where their enemy used to be — while stirring up a lot of resentment with the way they keep accidentally blowing up noncombatant bystanders.

    best laugh of the night, thank you…ha, ha, ha, haaaaa.

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  206. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @countenance
    The irony is that Breitbart isn't even alt-right. Though Breitbart and Milo are sympathetic to it, I don't think they qualify as alt-right, because the essence of the alt-right is having rightist politics that are chiefly motivated by some form of anti-egalitarianism.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Weigel#Controversy_over_leaked_e-mails_and_resignation_from_The_Washington_Post

    So it’s as simple as Weigel smearing Trump with HBDism by taking the Bannon connection and playing on multiple meanings of “alt right”. And the timing!

    While Clinton openly courts BLM and is tarnished by none of the BLMism that’s unpalatable.

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    Somebody, put Sheriff Clarke on the pay-roll.
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  207. @Boomstick
    So that was the genesis of Dave Weigel's pieces in the WaPo. He had a head's-up that this was coming, and was preparing the ground for the Clinton campaign.

    The DNC email leaks showed the DNC planting favorable news stories with Washpost authors:

    I think the best reporter to give the news to ahead of time is Greg Sargent at the Washington Post. But, the specific reporter is not as important as getting it to an outlet before the news breaks so we can help control the narrative on the front end.

    https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12450

    It would certainly make sense if Steve’s interviewer (Weigel?) were aware of the Clinton campaign’s intent, or at least had been asked to broach the topic of alt-right. Alt-right probably reached the campaign’s attention due to Bannon, the new Trump manager and chairman of Breitbart.

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  208. Lagertha says:
    @Hosswire
    This seems like an odd choice of campaign time & energy for her. But it had to have been tested & polled to death before she went with it.

    So what's the benefit for her?

    My guess is that she will make the alt-right = Nazi connection & task her media minions to hammer it nonstop using all the plentiful imagery & memes available.

    If alt-right = Nazi & alt-right loves Trump then Trump = Hitler, right?

    The goal is to stoke her base into the kind of hysterics she cannot generate on her own. A pure "brown scare" play.

    The fact that it is coming directly from the candidate instead of the usual lower level media shriekers is notable.

    I wonder why this is happening now. Panic? Desperation? Or a hopeful coup de grace?

    Holy scheisse! I just forgot that Trump’s children are going to be very busy with rosh hashanah and yom kippur this fall…this election season. And we have Columbus Day, right after 9/11 Day, ‘all hallow’s eve,’ leading up to Thanksgiving…Christmas…I can’t wait!

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  209. Lagertha says:
    @Anonymous
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Weigel#Controversy_over_leaked_e-mails_and_resignation_from_The_Washington_Post

    So it's as simple as Weigel smearing Trump with HBDism by taking the Bannon connection and playing on multiple meanings of "alt right". And the timing!

    While Clinton openly courts BLM and is tarnished by none of the BLMism that's unpalatable.

    Somebody, put Sheriff Clarke on the pay-roll.

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  210. Lagertha says:
    @Steve Sailer
    "Crooked Hildabeast most likely does not even know who Steve Sailer is."

    Indeed, and I'm sure the same is true of Trump.

    No. He knows.

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    I assume Steve is cited somewhere in Ann Coulter's book, so Trump's SEEN the name, but I would bet a fair sum of money that if you said the name "Steve Sailer" to Trump, he'd stare at you blankly.
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  211. @Trelane
    I hope during Ms Cliniton's lecture she mentions Francis Galton, iSteve, Hbd*chick, La Griffe du Lion, Ron Unz, Greg Cochran, Kevin MacDonald, Philipe Rushton, Arthur Jensen, Hernstein and Murray, Linda Gottfredson, IQ, neoteny, regression to the mean, the cenral limit theorem, the r-K continuum, TFR, differential fertility, smart fraction theory, dysgenesis, the g factor, the Flynn effect, Beysian statistics, psychometry, hyperethnocentricism and group evolutionary theory, Pearbothham's curve etc.

    I also hope she does not have another uncontrollable coughing fit, seizures, Tourettes-spectrum spaz out, vertigo/double vision, memory lapse/brain freeze, uncontrolled cackling episode, Parkinsonian tremor, catheter leak under her pantsuit or heavens forbid, start raising her voice sounding like Mrs. Bates berating Norman while refering to Trum... er.. her husband. I hope none of this happens during this very stressful-- 30 minute scene plus money shot -- week for her prior to next weekend's three-day recuperation period.

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    LOL! Awesome. Ridicule is your greatest weapon.
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  212. Broski says:
    @Jefferson
    "I hope that she calls out the UNZ review, and even you personally. There is no such thing as bad publicity."

    Crooked Hildabeast won't call out The Unz, but she will call out Breitbart because they get way more traffic than The Unz.

    Breitbart is the WWE of the Alt-Right, while The Unz is the TNA of the Alt-Right.

    Breitbart is the big leagues when it comes to Alt-Right websites.

    Most of Unz’s stuff isn’t even alt-right. Ask a Mexican? Razib sort of is just because he accepts HBD. The China guy? Ron Paul? He was his own weird deal. Pat Buchanan, Derb, Steve, ok. Andrew Napolitano has a show on Fox, so he’s about as alt-right as Hannity.

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    "The China guy?"

    Linh Dinh is Viet.
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  213. 5371 says:

    [Hillary’s people usually know what they’re doing]

    Not consistent with the history of the 2008 campaign.

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    Steve is constantly over estimating Hillary's campaign because he's enamored of the technocratic crap he used to do in 90s that her campaign does.

    The reality is that Steve has problems wrapping his head around Trump's campaign more often than not.
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  214. Broski says:
    @Percy Gryce
    https://youtu.be/C7aG-VQYGhA?t=1m03s

    LOL! Awesome. Ridicule is your greatest weapon.

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  215. @flamadiddle
    We can win, win, win ....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4IsUxni0BY

    The Alt-Right must embrace its anthems.

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  216. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @David Davenport
    Dems would help themselves more if they stuck to Trump=far right = hate =David Duke = KKK= Hitler, and likewise for denunciations of Breitbart.com.

    "Alt-right" is too esoteric for mass market voters.

    Furthermore, "alt-" denotes something young peepul like. Dems should stick to the message that only old, uneducated whites support Trump. Trump --> alt-right implies the contrary.

    The Wicked Witch will only do herself a dis-service if she orates about the alt-right, instead of sticking to Trump and Breitbart = Hitler rhetoric. . "Alt-right" is too recondite.

    Old, uneducated whites = known quantity, about to die off anyway.

    Esoteric = spooky, sinister, amorphous, unknown-because-secretive, wildcard, etc.

    Forget Russia. Trump = Manchurian candidate of hidden Satanic racist alt-right cabal.

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  217. @Jefferson
    "Breitbart isn’t even really an alt-right site per se,"

    If Alt-Right means no Jews allowed and no Goys who are friendly to Jews allowed, than Breitbart isn't Alt-Right, neither is Donald Trump, and Gavin McInnes who likes to brag about how many Jewish women he has had sex with since moving to New York City during his single days.

    Milo, Jack D, Lot, and Syonredux can't join the Alt-Right club either because of their Jew blood.

    I wouldn’t personally disqualify Jews from being alt-right, but being strongly Zionist as opposed to being focused solely on national interests in terms of foreign policy seems pretty at odds with the alt-right’s core outlook, and Breitbart is certainly in line with standard GOP Zionism.

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  218. Jefferson says:
    @Broski
    Most of Unz's stuff isn't even alt-right. Ask a Mexican? Razib sort of is just because he accepts HBD. The China guy? Ron Paul? He was his own weird deal. Pat Buchanan, Derb, Steve, ok. Andrew Napolitano has a show on Fox, so he's about as alt-right as Hannity.

    “The China guy?”

    Linh Dinh is Viet.

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    Microagression false positive, Jefferson.

    Peter Lee: China Matters
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  219. Jefferson says:

    Here is Crooked Hildabeast shaking like she has Michael J. Fox parkinson’s disease.

    With the exception of Sean Hannity who reported on this, the rest of the mainstream media has been silent about it. God I hate the mainstream media. They don’t even pretend to be neutral anymore. They are out of the closet as being part of Team Crooked Hildabeast.

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  220. krakonos says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The usual strategy the Left and media follow is to lump together both the reasonable people and the less reasonable people, and taint the former by association with the latter.
     
    But they get cross if you point out that Hitler had quite an advanced welfare state, the kind they support. No fair associating in the other direction!

    Yesterday, by concidence, I turned on TV when main news was just on. Some psycho(whatever) “expert” was comparing Trump to Hitler. Based on a level of percieved (?) psychopathy. Hitler was mentioned several times for noone to miss the connection.
    Czech media seem to be obsessed by Trump for some reason. From their reports one would think that doom comes if Trump is elected.

    Just few years ago I would not have guessed that mass propaganda is coming back (refugee/invader crisis, Brexit, Trump). The same methods and the same style as during communism. But this time jurnalists do it completely voluntarily – on their personal beliefs. And opposing voices are not banned. Rather such jurnalists are simply few in number.

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  221. Maj. Kong says:
    @ben tillman

    I like Taylor, but you can watch videos of him on Donahue saying that there’s nothing wrong with people of one race wanting to isolate themselves from the other races. Right or wrong, the ceiling for acceptance of that idea in America is very, very low.
     
    Actually, the ceiling for acceptance of that idea in America is about 84%. I mean, who could possibly object to "racists" moving away from those they would putatively victimize? Actual acceptance is much lower, but the only argument against voluntary separation is that some people need to be enslaved as punishment for the actions of people of their race. Most people don't accept that idea; they're just distracted and deluded by the apparatus of public opinion formation.

    Most people still seek to live in communities with people and culture similar to theirs. What mainstream America objects to, is the idea that white conservatives could pull off an Atlas shrugs.* For a variety of historical reasons, we are held responsible for liberal failures, and are expected to pay for them. In the past decade, the local civic organizations and media of my home region of Northeast Ohio have been pushing “regionalism” as a way to dilute the suburbs. Even National Review mentioned it four years ago.

    Think of it like the leftist hatred for homeschooling parents not doing their “civic duty” to socialize the child and “fight for good schools”. They appropriate traditional right-wing messages for their own use without any of the same motivations.

    *Imagine that WCMs rejected military enlistment en masse, consumed less, and avoided tax as much as legally possible. The state would crumble.

    ^Notably, the “Afrikaner reservation” of Orania pays taxes to the state, but receives no services from it.

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    Most people still seek to live in communities with people and culture similar to theirs. What mainstream America objects to, is the idea that white conservatives could pull off an Atlas shrugs.* For a variety of historical reasons, we are held responsible for liberal failures, and are expected to pay for them. In the past decade, the local civic organizations and media of my home region of Northeast Ohio have been pushing “regionalism” as a way to dilute the suburbs. Even National Review mentioned it four years ago.

    Think of it like the leftist hatred for homeschooling parents not doing their “civic duty” to socialize the child and “fight for good schools”. They appropriate traditional right-wing messages for their own use without any of the same motivations.

    *Imagine that WCMs rejected military enlistment en masse, consumed less, and avoided tax as much as legally possible. The state would crumble.

    ^Notably, the “Afrikaner reservation” of Orania pays taxes to the state, but receives no services from it.
     
    So we agree that the objection to separation is that Whites need to be enslaved.
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  222. Maj. Kong says:
    @gda
    This is the guy who wrote The Art of the Deal. Of course he's going to moderate his initial position.

    You ask for the world, then you settle for something less. You say you're going to deport 11 million, then you settle for vigorously enforcing the law. Coupled with building an effective wall/fence.

    End result. The really bad guys go back first and the wall keeps most of them out in future. Most of the 11 million leave voluntarily since they can't get a job because the Trump administration comes down hard on those who hire illegals.

    Did ANYONE seriously think Trump was ever going to round up 11 million illegals in the first months of his administration? Seriously?

    It is logistically possible to conduct mass deportations.

    The polls I remember asking about why people support Trump had less support on immigration and foreign policy, the reasons we support him. The biggest reasons for his support were that he was a political outsider, would clean up the corruption, and would be better for the economy because of his business background.

    One has to consider the total domination of liberals in the cultural sphere.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/183413/americans-continue-shift-left-key-moral-issues.aspx?g_source=MORAL_ISSUES&g_medium=topic&g_campaign=tiles

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/191903/religious-groups-disagree-five-key-moral-issues.aspx?g_source=MORAL_ISSUES&g_medium=topic&g_campaign=tiles

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/163697/approve-marriage-blacks-whites.aspx

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  223. Pericles says:
    @SFG
    I didn't call you anything, at least intentionally, and I'm pro-2nd amendment. But tell me, do you think frog memes (yes, I enjoy them too) and Nazi imagery make you more popular with the general American public, or less?

    I will toast it as an unforgettable day if Hillary runs a very angry slide show with frogs and swastikas and Taylor Swift quotes.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if Pepe T-shirts proliferated in the streets a little while after that. (It will need some word of mouth, because who watches a Clinton speech?)

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  224. Pericles says:

    So the only way Hillary can get some attention is by talking about Trump.

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    That's really the point--feed the media Trump 'stories' and they do the rest.
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  225. Pericles says:
    @Jefferson
    Here is Crooked Hildabeast shaking like she has Michael J. Fox parkinson's disease.

    https://youtu.be/iPoFz7w4T1E

    With the exception of Sean Hannity who reported on this, the rest of the mainstream media has been silent about it. God I hate the mainstream media. They don't even pretend to be neutral anymore. They are out of the closet as being part of Team Crooked Hildabeast.

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  226. @Johnny Smoggins
    She won't. Steve and Unz are too nice and intellectual. If people found their way here and started reading it would blow up in her face.

    The boogeyman she's looking for is Andrew Anglin and The Daily Stormer. The place where the dark heart of the alt right beats.

    “The Daily Stormer. The place where the dark heart of the alt right beats.”

    Isn’t that just the “traditional” far-right? I’d have thought alt-right was something like this 2015 Dark Enlightenment graphic (now a little out of date), plus Twitter people like Ricky Vaughan, plus the various 4chan / mpc / reddit threads.

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    “The Daily Stormer. The place where the dark heart of the alt right beats.”

    Isn’t that just the “traditional” far-right?
     

    The "Alt" in Alt-Right means "not the Republican Party".
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  227. @eric
    Maybe iSteve will get a shout-out?

    Is hilLIARy going to call out these ‘alt-right’ agitators by name? Who will be the main object of her legendary scorn? I’d say you can pretty much forget about getting some one-on-one face time with the Sect of State, Steve.

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    "Is hilLIARy going to call out these ‘alt-right’ agitators by name? Who will be the main object of her legendary scorn?"

    Crooked Hildabeast will probably bring up the Alt-Right "trolls" who referred to Leslie Jones as looking like a silverback gorilla on her Twitter page. She will say either Milo directly said it or Milo sent his minions to do it. She will use this as an example of how systematic racism against Blacks is still alive & well in America.

    The Milo vs Leslie beef is well known among many who frequent Twitter.

    Crooked Hildabeast has hung out with Leslie Jones before, so there is a much higher chance that she has heard of Milo than there is that she has heard of Steve Sailer.

    If Steve Sailer wants to go beyond obscurity, he should start a Twitter war with a Liberal Hollywood celebrity, but it's not in his introvert nature to do that. Milo is a big mouth extrovert.

    Since Steve lives in Los Angeles, there is a higher chance he might accidentally bump into any celebrity that he is feuding with on Twitter.

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  228. @Hepp
    This I think tells you something about leftists. "Racism," "bigotry," "misogyny" and "hate" are worse than rape and murder

    https://twitter.com/RadixJournal/status/768227216006066176

    After the Fort Hood muslim massacre (I think ‘radical’ and ‘terror’ are superfluous), Gen. Casey said the real tragedy would be if the slaughter led to the rejection of the awesomeness of diversity. A military General Officer. Who was not court martialed and shot.

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    Not only was Casey a general officer, but he was also Army chief of staff. That he was not cashiered remains a disgrace.
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  229. Nnz says: • Website

    Be careful what you wish for, they might just try to doxx the people here, or post screenshots or what is posted here, and portray unz as one of the Jewish concentration camp collaborators/police who are willing to put his fellow Jews to the gas chamber in the hopes that the SS will spare his life, or maybe this site will just get constantly hacked and ddosed to oblivion.

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  230. Nnz says: • Website

    I remember when SF was inaccessible because of DDOS attacks.

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  231. Ed says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Some of the state polls released today (Hillary up by double digits in FL, for example) look terrible. But the LA Times has them neck-in-neck nationally. Odd. http://www.latimes.com/politics/

    Nate Silver has a good piece on 538 about the LA Times polls. He says because it weights to people’s votes in 2012 for POTUS it leans to the right. He says it’s not a good method since people forget whom they vote for. Not sure I buy that but here you go.

    At any rate if you follow the trend of the poll it hasn’t been a good month for Trump either.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-leave-the-la-times-poll-alone/

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    Silver wrote off Trump last fall as not having a snowball's chance of getting the nomination. In my eyes he discredited himself completely and was outed for the communist that he is.
    , @Forbes
    Silver writes well, but he is an out-of-the-closet opinion hack for Team Democrat now. His posts are all eye-candy to attract clicks because his business revenue model requires regular and repeat visits.

    Why should LAT weighting to 2012 cause it to lean right? Obama won easily. Silver might say that--it's just his attempt to sway the LAT's polling people to "get in line."

    Silver's explanation on how/why he got Trump wrong (on the nomination) was just complete ass-covering. He's a shill.
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  232. @Reg Cæsar

    VA is out of reach.
     
    Because Virginians think their "labour" is overpriced and their Commonwealth underpopulated? Those traffic jams in the northern counties aren't long enough now?

    You'd think Trump would be the one doing the crushing. Maybe he will, if he returns to these issues.

    Maybe the "alt-right" should hijack his campaign.

    There are a lot of liberal morons in N VA who live a sheltered suburban existence devoid of immigrants and Section 8 housing, religiously digest the WaCompost, and are not intellectually capable of connecting immigration / imm policy to anything other than “good” immigrants and Chinese and Mexican food. Also a lot of manginas who vote D b/c their stupid, liberal wife orders them to (my conservative female friends tell me this). Also a lot of bs crazy liberals who have yet to discover an original thought of their own. Also a lot of fud gubmint worshipers. There is an endless bounty of garden-variety big city dopes whose strong suit is shopping at Banana Republic and getting a Starbucks and oh-so-hiply paying with their smart phone–not putting together the big picture in the real world. Too scary and getting a little too close to ‘racist’ for their comfort. Traffic is an industrial strength CF 8 hours/day and you think they could put 2 + 2 together, but it is intellectually beyond most of them. These folks can put numbers into a spread sheet and create .ppt presentations and parallel park, etc., but most can’t see the forest for the trees and politically are brainwashed sheep that think climate change will be the end of the world as we know it (any day now……). They are used to doing and thinking as Wolf Blitzer tells them to. They would vote for Pol Pot if there was a D next to his name.

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  233. @Ed
    Nate Silver has a good piece on 538 about the LA Times polls. He says because it weights to people's votes in 2012 for POTUS it leans to the right. He says it's not a good method since people forget whom they vote for. Not sure I buy that but here you go.

    At any rate if you follow the trend of the poll it hasn't been a good month for Trump either.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-leave-the-la-times-poll-alone/

    Silver wrote off Trump last fall as not having a snowball’s chance of getting the nomination. In my eyes he discredited himself completely and was outed for the communist that he is.

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  234. AndrewR says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    I think you're naive about how much of the populace has internalized the views of the left. "Independents" and "centrists" are still rabidly "anti-racist" and "pro-nice".

    Contra Skeegs, this could actually be a pretty deft political move. It's a much bigger and more complex version of the reporter who asked Trump to denounce David Duke. Hillary's speech is going to paint the alt right as a rebirth of that old racism everybody knows exists on the right. Trump will be tied to and put in a position of repudiating or embracing. His track record shows he will probably not respond well, or, if he does, the media will just spin whatever he says out of control... the whole WaPo article is part of a big set-up to entrap Trump and re-inforce the idea that he's a racist at just the moment that he's planning to move left on immigration. If does it, he'll be left with no supporters on the right or in the center...

    Average Americans are not “anti-racist” in the practical sense, let alone “rabidly.” That term does not mean “simply opposed to racism” and you know it. It is a term only used by the virulently anti-white. Most white non-Democrats (and some white Democrats, at least historically) are equally averse to anti-white policies and rhetoric as to anti-nonwhite policies and rhetoric. Go on your average news station or newspaper’s facebook page on any article about BLM or affirmative action. Most white Americans are as color-blind as MLK claimed to have wanted. Of course now the “anti-racists” say that being color blind is racist, and I think that bothers most whites.

    Courting the support of BLM, giving violent thugs’ mothers a platform to play victim, and trying to shame whites into being subjected to a one-way lecture on race is not appealing to any more than 20% of whites, most of whom are registered Democrats. I think you are naïve to not recognize this.

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    "Courting the support of BLM, giving violent thugs’ mothers a platform to play victim, and trying to shame whites into being subjected to a one-way lecture on race is not appealing to any more than 20% of whites,"

    The pro-Black Lies Matter candidate Crooked Hildabeast is expected to win way more than 20 percent of the White vote. She is expected to win a higher share of the White vote than Barack Hussein Obama did in 2012 and that's because a lot of Whites who voted for Mitt Romney now want to see the historical crowning of a first woman president.
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  235. Jefferson says:
    @Buck Turgidson
    Is hilLIARy going to call out these 'alt-right' agitators by name? Who will be the main object of her legendary scorn? I'd say you can pretty much forget about getting some one-on-one face time with the Sect of State, Steve.

    “Is hilLIARy going to call out these ‘alt-right’ agitators by name? Who will be the main object of her legendary scorn?”

    Crooked Hildabeast will probably bring up the Alt-Right “trolls” who referred to Leslie Jones as looking like a silverback gorilla on her Twitter page. She will say either Milo directly said it or Milo sent his minions to do it. She will use this as an example of how systematic racism against Blacks is still alive & well in America.

    The Milo vs Leslie beef is well known among many who frequent Twitter.

    Crooked Hildabeast has hung out with Leslie Jones before, so there is a much higher chance that she has heard of Milo than there is that she has heard of Steve Sailer.

    If Steve Sailer wants to go beyond obscurity, he should start a Twitter war with a Liberal Hollywood celebrity, but it’s not in his introvert nature to do that. Milo is a big mouth extrovert.

    Since Steve lives in Los Angeles, there is a higher chance he might accidentally bump into any celebrity that he is feuding with on Twitter.

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  236. @Chrisnonymous

    I hope during Ms Cliniton’s lecture she mentions Francis Galton, iSteve, Hbd*chick, La Griffe du Lion, Ron Unz, Greg Cochran, Kevin MacDonald, Philipe Rushton, Arthur Jensen, Hernstein and Murray, Linda Gottfredson, IQ, neoteny, regression to the mean, the cenral limit theorem, the r-K continuum, TFR, differential fertility, smart fraction theory, dysgenesis, the g factor, the Flynn effect, Beysian statistics, psychometry, hyperethnocentricism and group evolutionary theory, Pearbothham’s curve etc.
     
    She won't, but in preparation for this speech, any bloggers who might plausibly come up in people's Google searches for the alt right ought to be putting up posts right now on the themes (1) what the alt-right is (2) who's in it, and (3) how it's different from ye ol' slavery and apartheid.

    In addition, readers and commenters ought to be ready to take to the comment threads on media outlets and leftist blogs.

    Calling all alt-right bloggers... Calling all alt-right bloggers...

    how it’s different from ye ol’ slavery and apartheid

    Yeah, good luck with that. The best defense is a good offense.

    In this case, the only one.

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  237. AndrewR says:
    @Jefferson
    "I think you’re naive about how much of the populace has internalized the views of the left. “Independents” and “centrists” are still rabidly “anti-racist” and “pro-nice”."

    I agree. I hate how so many people here in the comments section of The Unz vastly overestimate how Right Ring the average American voter is. They mean the same average American voter who voted for Barack Hussein Obama not only once but twice. Anybody who voted for Barack twice is not a natural Alt-Righter. People here are starting to sound like the GOP establishment who say that Hispanics are natural Conservatives.

    The average American is “right wing” enough to be turned off by Hillary’s shameless appeals to BLM, pro-thug and anti-white rhetoric.

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    "The average American is “right wing” enough to be turned off by Hillary’s shameless appeals to BLM, pro-thug and anti-white rhetoric."

    No they are not. All polls say the average American stands with the pro-Black Lies Matter candidate as they see her as the lesser of 2 evils when compared to Donald Trump.

    Hildabeast is expected to win states that Barack Hussein Obama lost in a landslide in 2008 & 2012, like Utah and Georgia for example.
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  238. @David Davenport
    Dems would help themselves more if they stuck to Trump=far right = hate =David Duke = KKK= Hitler, and likewise for denunciations of Breitbart.com.

    "Alt-right" is too esoteric for mass market voters.

    Furthermore, "alt-" denotes something young peepul like. Dems should stick to the message that only old, uneducated whites support Trump. Trump --> alt-right implies the contrary.

    The Wicked Witch will only do herself a dis-service if she orates about the alt-right, instead of sticking to Trump and Breitbart = Hitler rhetoric. . "Alt-right" is too recondite.

    Dems should stick to the message that only old, uneducated whites support Trump. Trump –> alt-right implies the contrary.

    This.

    Short-term payoff with people of a conservative temperament who tend to be older, long-term liability with the young looking for a new take on things.

    The young will vote more over their lifetime than the old, as they have more elections left.

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  239. @Maj. Kong
    Most people still seek to live in communities with people and culture similar to theirs. What mainstream America objects to, is the idea that white conservatives could pull off an Atlas shrugs.* For a variety of historical reasons, we are held responsible for liberal failures, and are expected to pay for them. In the past decade, the local civic organizations and media of my home region of Northeast Ohio have been pushing "regionalism" as a way to dilute the suburbs. Even National Review mentioned it four years ago.

    Think of it like the leftist hatred for homeschooling parents not doing their "civic duty" to socialize the child and "fight for good schools". They appropriate traditional right-wing messages for their own use without any of the same motivations.

    *Imagine that WCMs rejected military enlistment en masse, consumed less, and avoided tax as much as legally possible. The state would crumble.

    ^Notably, the "Afrikaner reservation" of Orania pays taxes to the state, but receives no services from it.

    Most people still seek to live in communities with people and culture similar to theirs. What mainstream America objects to, is the idea that white conservatives could pull off an Atlas shrugs.* For a variety of historical reasons, we are held responsible for liberal failures, and are expected to pay for them. In the past decade, the local civic organizations and media of my home region of Northeast Ohio have been pushing “regionalism” as a way to dilute the suburbs. Even National Review mentioned it four years ago.

    Think of it like the leftist hatred for homeschooling parents not doing their “civic duty” to socialize the child and “fight for good schools”. They appropriate traditional right-wing messages for their own use without any of the same motivations.

    *Imagine that WCMs rejected military enlistment en masse, consumed less, and avoided tax as much as legally possible. The state would crumble.

    ^Notably, the “Afrikaner reservation” of Orania pays taxes to the state, but receives no services from it.

    So we agree that the objection to separation is that Whites need to be enslaved.

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  240. @Anonymous Nephew
    "The Daily Stormer. The place where the dark heart of the alt right beats."

    Isn't that just the "traditional" far-right? I'd have thought alt-right was something like this 2015 Dark Enlightenment graphic (now a little out of date), plus Twitter people like Ricky Vaughan, plus the various 4chan / mpc / reddit threads.

    https://alfinnextlevel.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/darkenlightenment2.png

    “The Daily Stormer. The place where the dark heart of the alt right beats.”

    Isn’t that just the “traditional” far-right?

    The “Alt” in Alt-Right means “not the Republican Party”.

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    The “Alt” in Alt-Right means “not the Republican Party”.
     
    Stop making shit up Ben, you cuck!

    https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/what-alt-right-is.html
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  241. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Steve, when you founded HBD 20 odd years ago, did you imagine that it would become a ‘world-historical’ movement? You, the leader and senior theorist of this movement, shall be denounced by the head (for all intents and purposes) of the greatest empire in world history.

    You, and I think Pat Buchanan, shall be remembered by history as ‘the last of the Americans’. We are entering a new dark age, but thanks to your work we may yet come out of it.

    I don’t think you realise how signification a figure you are. It has been an honor to comment here.

    The alt-right is young. The book work is over. Young hands are now needed for war.

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  242. Forbes says:
    @Das
    I'm genuinely puzzled by this. Normal voters don't spend their free time talking about politics on the internet, so they've never even heard of the "alt right."

    Republicans don't go around attacking Democrats by quoting obscure left-wing blogs.

    Normal voters don’t spend their free time talking about politics on the internet

    And Facebook is a website for posting cat pictures, while Twitter is for sharing cookie recipes…

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  243. Thirdtwin says:

    Not by coincidence, Thursday will also be the day that those who voice concerns about her health will receive their label. She won’t say it, but her MSMinions will have received it from the campaign and will disseminate it after the big speech. Something like “Healthers”, or maybe “Ghouls” if they’re really threatened.

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  244. Forbes says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Right. Don't assume Hillary's people haven't thought this through and focus-grouped it carefully.

    The Hillary strategy is really quite simple. Let the media suck up all the air talking about what’s wrong with Trump. It distracts from having to talk about what’s wrong with Hillary. Hillary doesn’t have to prove anything, or even “connect the dots” for anyone–media will do all the leg work. Just fill the news cycle with talking points. Later, it’s an established fact she and the media refer back to it. Mission accomplished.

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  245. @Buck Turgidson
    After the Fort Hood muslim massacre (I think 'radical' and 'terror' are superfluous), Gen. Casey said the real tragedy would be if the slaughter led to the rejection of the awesomeness of diversity. A military General Officer. Who was not court martialed and shot.

    Not only was Casey a general officer, but he was also Army chief of staff. That he was not cashiered remains a disgrace.

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  246. Forbes says:
    @The most deplorable one
    Haven't they left Trump's people lots of time to fix the problem?

    Surely, this sort of thing would be better done in mid October.

    On another front, I am seeing a lot of people of color in CA who can vote who are planning to vote for Trump. (Not those people of choler.)

    Haven’t they left Trump’s people lots of time to fix the problem?

    Of course. That’s the point. You get your opponent tied up in knots ‘fixing’ a non-issue. It’s called distraction game. They’re giving marching orders to the lapdog media. The more time media spends on Trump, the less time and space to look into Hillary’s problems.

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  247. Dahlia says:
    @Trelane
    I hope during Ms Cliniton's lecture she mentions Francis Galton, iSteve, Hbd*chick, La Griffe du Lion, Ron Unz, Greg Cochran, Kevin MacDonald, Philipe Rushton, Arthur Jensen, Hernstein and Murray, Linda Gottfredson, IQ, neoteny, regression to the mean, the cenral limit theorem, the r-K continuum, TFR, differential fertility, smart fraction theory, dysgenesis, the g factor, the Flynn effect, Beysian statistics, psychometry, hyperethnocentricism and group evolutionary theory, Pearbothham's curve etc.

    I also hope she does not have another uncontrollable coughing fit, seizures, Tourettes-spectrum spaz out, vertigo/double vision, memory lapse/brain freeze, uncontrolled cackling episode, Parkinsonian tremor, catheter leak under her pantsuit or heavens forbid, start raising her voice sounding like Mrs. Bates berating Norman while refering to Trum... er.. her husband. I hope none of this happens during this very stressful-- 30 minute scene plus money shot -- week for her prior to next weekend's three-day recuperation period.

    Haha!

    It won’t be the highlights, but the lowlifes tangentially related…

    Oh, Steve, I’m dying, lol! Maybe everyone here knows who Matt Forney is, but I only had some mild awareness and went looking a little bit…
    I thought it was odd that Weigel would feature somebody who was part of a “bullycide” pack that had gone against him about a week ago. This guy is the *worst*, ugly inside and out to such a degree that some even suspect him of being an FBI informant! He seems to be something of an embarrassment to most of the alt-Reich.

    Not sure, but I don’t think Weigel was setting you up, but perhaps used you a little to slip in the shiv against this pack that had gone after him so viciously.

    At any rate, I’m guessing the manosphere, that realm we all know and hate, will probably get top billing.

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    The manosphere moved on, I think it was somewhat silly to begin with but by now practically everything has already been discussed. IMO, we/they needed to move on and get beyond that one issue to become part of something bigger and have more influence. A bigger allied group with somewhat overlapping but not completely matching interests can have more influence than a single-issue group. Wait I'm starting to sound like a Democrat here lol...
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  248. Forbes says:
    @candid_observer
    The real issue is: how can Hillary make any of this alt-right stuff stick to Donald Trump in particular? She can of course talk as though support from the alt-right means that Donald Trump is alt-right, but that sort of one-sided admiration tends not to be very convincing. If Trump responds that he doesn't even know what she's talking about with the alt-right -- and frankly he probably genuinely doesn't -- how far does it go? David Duke admires Trump, and that couldn't be made to stick.

    My guess is all she will be able to make stick, in some measure, is his connection to Breitbart, because Steve Bannon came from Breitbart. But Breitbart isn't such a juicy target, I think. Breitbart tends to be pretty careful to push the envelope only so far. I gather there's an Hillary ad decrying Breitbart in which, for example, there's point and sputter over headlines such as "Would You Rather Your Child Had Feminism or Cancer?"

    I find it a little hard to believe that the typical swing voter is going to be much moved by quoting these sorts of headlines, provocative though they may be. This is especially true when it is one step removed from the candidate himself, who obviously didn't actually say these things.

    The real issue is: how can Hillary make any of this alt-right stuff stick to Donald Trump in particular?

    It’s the same playbook as hating on the Tea Party. Guilt by association. The general public didn’t know anything much about the Tea Party, but they got their news (propaganda) about it from the lapdog media.

    Straight out of Alinsky–No. 13: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

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  249. Forbes says:
    @Honorary Thief
    That's not really fair to Taylor, who is a really smart and reasonable guy.

    “Fair” has got nothing to do with it. The Left believes in two things: Ends justify the means, and anything goes.

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  250. Forbes says:
    @David Davenport
    From the CBS News link:

    ... The “alt-right” is considered to be a movement, shunned by traditional conservatives, that rejects notions of equality among ethnic groups and genders...

    So The Witch is going to claim that she is more of a traditional conservative than Trump, as she defines "traditional conservatism." That's her angle. "Alt-right" = old Right = KKK = Hitler.

    In my opinion, this is also not as effective as simply insisting to her mass audience that Trump = KKK = Hitler. Many Dem voters don't want to vote for anything labeled "conservative," even if the Witch claims that she, too, is conservative.

    The suggested Hillary formula is closer to: alt right = bigots = Trump. Shunned by traditional conservatives = even worse.

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  251. Kirt says:

    I’d be interested to know what focus groups the Hilly campaign used to come up with this. The alt-right is neither organization, movement, voting bloc, nor party and is vanishingly small. Just a handful of internet keyboard commandos who are always irreverent, occasionally witty and insightful, but mostly just snarky. I’d be surprised if one American in a hundred has any idea who they are. And that includes Trump, whose ignorance on many things is now legendary, although someone may have brought him up to speed on this in the last couple of days.

    In any event, the Hilly-billies will have to minimally educate the public on the alt-right before they can demonize Trump by vague association. This may help or hurt Trump, but it will definitely help the alt-right by making them known to potential recruits. Is this the object of the exercise? Nazi, KKK and skinhead not scary enough any more? Or maybe they’re trying out a new devil word. Racist and fascist have long since worn out from overuse and these days are used more by the conventional right against the conventional left than vice versa. But alt-right as a smear term has the obvious disadvantage of being too close to the complimentary “all right”.

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  252. Forbes says:
    @Pericles
    So the only way Hillary can get some attention is by talking about Trump.

    That’s really the point–feed the media Trump ‘stories’ and they do the rest.

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  253. Dahlia says:

    Long before this, I’ve felt a Sista Soulja moment has been coming for the alt-Right*. Don’t know if it will, but that’s the direction we’re headed.

    If it is anything like the original, though, it is an indication of advancement, not an ending.

    *For me, alt-Right meant little more than disbelief in the Blank Slate with conservative sympathies. I’m not even sure what it means, especially anymore.

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    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/what-alt-right-is.html
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  254. Forbes says:
    @Ed
    Nate Silver has a good piece on 538 about the LA Times polls. He says because it weights to people's votes in 2012 for POTUS it leans to the right. He says it's not a good method since people forget whom they vote for. Not sure I buy that but here you go.

    At any rate if you follow the trend of the poll it hasn't been a good month for Trump either.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-leave-the-la-times-poll-alone/

    Silver writes well, but he is an out-of-the-closet opinion hack for Team Democrat now. His posts are all eye-candy to attract clicks because his business revenue model requires regular and repeat visits.

    Why should LAT weighting to 2012 cause it to lean right? Obama won easily. Silver might say that–it’s just his attempt to sway the LAT’s polling people to “get in line.”

    Silver’s explanation on how/why he got Trump wrong (on the nomination) was just complete ass-covering. He’s a shill.

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  255. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Dahlia
    Long before this, I've felt a Sista Soulja moment has been coming for the alt-Right*. Don't know if it will, but that's the direction we're headed.

    If it is anything like the original, though, it is an indication of advancement, not an ending.

    *For me, alt-Right meant little more than disbelief in the Blank Slate with conservative sympathies. I'm not even sure what it means, especially anymore.

    Fortunately for the rest of us who are not so tired and worn out and ready to give up to the wretched hag, there is this:

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/what-alt-right-is.html

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  256. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @ben tillman

    “The Daily Stormer. The place where the dark heart of the alt right beats.”

    Isn’t that just the “traditional” far-right?
     

    The "Alt" in Alt-Right means "not the Republican Party".

    The “Alt” in Alt-Right means “not the Republican Party”.

    Stop making shit up Ben, you cuck!

    https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/what-alt-right-is.html

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    Stop making shit up Ben, you cuck!
     
    You're an insufferable moron. Vox has a long-winded definition; I have a short one.
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  257. @Anon
    Remember, just a few weeks ago Hillary unleashed her internet army to go argue on websites for her, and the Unz gained a few more trolls in the meantime. After a few feeble attempts at attacking, the trolls certainly went to their campaign coordinator all weepy and said, "You've got to get Ms. Potus-Ma'am to attack these Alt-Righters! They make us feel stupid! WAAAAH!" (The smarter Hillary supporters were no doubt reserved for the more well-known sites, and we got the half-witted dregs.)

    Their coordinator then looked the Unz over and freaked. No doubt Hillary, somewhat bewildered by all this, is wondering why the heck she needs to attack this crowd, but whatever. If it scores a few points for her, she'll make the speech.

    I think you may have a valid point. The brain-trust running Hillary’s campaign just does not have the intellectual firepower of Obama’s. Say what you will about him, but Axelrod was effective. Her campaign seems amateurish in comparison to past Democrat runs . Perhaps too many womyn in key roles?

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  258. @Paul Kersey
    Steve,

    Let's be honest: if there's a serious troll out there wanting to create the absolute funniest video of all-time, they'd crash the Clinton speech dressed as a Green Frog.

    2016 will be defined by the meme wars: Clinton has one -- Trump is a Nazi and he must be stopped to save democracy.

    Funny to think Clinton is about to devout a big speech, with the help of her public relations assets working for corporate media, to try and connect a green frog, Moon Man, and Harambe as the great Alt-Right against Humanity...

    Let that sink for a moment.

    “Funny to think Clinton is about to devout a big speech, with the help of her public relations assets working for corporate media, to try and connect a green frog, Moon Man, and Harambe as the great Alt-Right against Humanity… ”

    Indeed PK! I can see it now ” We must make Amurrikka safe from the mean cartoon meme menace!”

    The average lefty most surely operates at the emotional level of a five year old.

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  259. @Jefferson
    "The China guy?"

    Linh Dinh is Viet.

    Microagression false positive, Jefferson.

    Peter Lee: China Matters

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  260. grapesoda says:
    @Dahlia
    Haha!

    It won't be the highlights, but the lowlifes tangentially related...

    Oh, Steve, I'm dying, lol! Maybe everyone here knows who Matt Forney is, but I only had some mild awareness and went looking a little bit...
    I thought it was odd that Weigel would feature somebody who was part of a "bullycide" pack that had gone against him about a week ago. This guy is the *worst*, ugly inside and out to such a degree that some even suspect him of being an FBI informant! He seems to be something of an embarrassment to most of the alt-Reich.

    Not sure, but I don't think Weigel was setting you up, but perhaps used you a little to slip in the shiv against this pack that had gone after him so viciously.

    At any rate, I'm guessing the manosphere, that realm we all know and hate, will probably get top billing.

    Agreed, I never rated Forney although he seems like an OK guy and I used to read his aggregator blog back in the day.

    The manosphere moved on, I think it was somewhat silly to begin with but by now practically everything has already been discussed. IMO, we/they needed to move on and get beyond that one issue to become part of something bigger and have more influence. A bigger allied group with somewhat overlapping but not completely matching interests can have more influence than a single-issue group. Wait I’m starting to sound like a Democrat here lol…

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  261. Marcus says:

    I have a feeling she’ll end up looking like Tipper Gore denouncing violent lyrics.

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  262. @5371
    [Hillary’s people usually know what they’re doing]

    Not consistent with the history of the 2008 campaign.

    Steve is constantly over estimating Hillary’s campaign because he’s enamored of the technocratic crap he used to do in 90s that her campaign does.

    The reality is that Steve has problems wrapping his head around Trump’s campaign more often than not.

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  263. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    The real take away here is that we have reached stage 3[1] in less than 12 months.

    To legitimize the Alt-Right like that is a very dangerous strategy, but I guess they have no choice. They didn’t think Trump would get this far so they didn’t have Mat Damon or Brad Pitt working on summer blockbusters about the evil league of Alt-Reichers oppressing defenseless LBGT baby seals or people of color, so they have to fall back on the bogey-men of 70-80 or so years ago as people like Dahlia does willingly.

    [1] For those who don’t know what I am referring to: Then they fight you.

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  264. Alt-right? No. Much worse. Trump’s platform is an expression of American National Conservatism.

    The left hates Trump because his platform implicitly acknowledges that American identity has an ethnic component. This is not a new concept, nor was it introduced by the alt-right. This has historically been the mainstream view of the Republican Party and its predecessors, the Whigs and the Federalists. John Jay’s Federalist #2, the thesis statement of the Federalist Papers, explicitly expresses this view, as does Washington’s Farewell Address.

    The Alt-right is too far to the left. The pick-up artists accept the sexual revolution’s denunciation of sexual morality. Julius Evola’s Radical Traditionalism is, like the left’s New Age movement, a faux Hindu attack on European Civilization’s actual traditions – both our Christian traditions and the traditions inherited from the relatively egalitarian puritanical warrior paganism of early/mid republican Rome (Cato the Censor) and the ancient Germans (Tacitus Germania). The French New Right’s attacks on Christianity and on American national identity closely follow those made by the left, and their advocacy of man-animal hybrid chimeras reveals a bioethics as depraved as the left’s. Dabney famously denounced faux-conservatism as a “shadow following radicalism on its road to perdition”. The same could be said of the alt-right.

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    John Grushkos

    In other words, you are a cucked Tard from Chronicles Magazine who doesn't spend much time reading what the Alt Right is saying. The Alt Right is a movement with a range of views. What unifies the Alt Right is a categorical rejection of nonwhite legal aliens and nonwhite illegal aliens and an embracing of traditional European Society and Culture...and this includes Christianity.

    The Paleocons over at Chronicles are quite happy to be race-replaced by Hispanics and Asians because Hispanics and Asians are the real conservatives!!!


    You a GD Cuck!!!!
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  265. Bugg says:
    @Fenton Skeegs
    This makes me wonder how many high level decisions are being made by Hillary Clinton. This only makes sense if you're knowledge of the alt-right comes from a few sections of text taken out of context and forwarded to you by the young folks on her campaign? Does anyone in her organization really 'get' the alt-right? Who the intellectual fonders are, what the basic concepts are?

    If I was running for Democratic ticket and I actually 'got' the alt-right, I would avoid mentioning it like the plague. I'd talk vaguely about extremists and let my auxiliaries do the dirty work, I wouldn't mention them in a speech.

    Maybe there's a deeper understanding of politics going on here or this is part of some eleventh dimensional game of chess, but this sounds like an old woman who's mentally stuck in the 90s taking bad advice from other old people.

    But hell, what else can she campaign on? Other than co-opting Trump's campaign to the max.

    Herod asking the 3 Wise Men for the location of the Savior so he can go kill Him.

    Clinton may not grasp elevating the likes of Sailer means these ideas will also be disseminated and discussed. Best advertising the alt right could ask for. And to the point-why does the Establishment want to replace the American people with a cast of 3rd Worlders, some of whom mean us harm and most of whom will never assimilate nor contribute.

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  266. Svigor says:

    *Spotlight swivels around to find the alt-right giving Hillary the finger*

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  267. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @John Gruskos
    Alt-right? No. Much worse. Trump's platform is an expression of American National Conservatism.

    The left hates Trump because his platform implicitly acknowledges that American identity has an ethnic component. This is not a new concept, nor was it introduced by the alt-right. This has historically been the mainstream view of the Republican Party and its predecessors, the Whigs and the Federalists. John Jay's Federalist #2, the thesis statement of the Federalist Papers, explicitly expresses this view, as does Washington's Farewell Address.

    The Alt-right is too far to the left. The pick-up artists accept the sexual revolution's denunciation of sexual morality. Julius Evola's Radical Traditionalism is, like the left's New Age movement, a faux Hindu attack on European Civilization's actual traditions - both our Christian traditions and the traditions inherited from the relatively egalitarian puritanical warrior paganism of early/mid republican Rome (Cato the Censor) and the ancient Germans (Tacitus Germania). The French New Right's attacks on Christianity and on American national identity closely follow those made by the left, and their advocacy of man-animal hybrid chimeras reveals a bioethics as depraved as the left's. Dabney famously denounced faux-conservatism as a "shadow following radicalism on its road to perdition". The same could be said of the alt-right.

    John Grushkos

    In other words, you are a cucked Tard from Chronicles Magazine who doesn’t spend much time reading what the Alt Right is saying. The Alt Right is a movement with a range of views. What unifies the Alt Right is a categorical rejection of nonwhite legal aliens and nonwhite illegal aliens and an embracing of traditional European Society and Culture…and this includes Christianity.

    The Paleocons over at Chronicles are quite happy to be race-replaced by Hispanics and Asians because Hispanics and Asians are the real conservatives!!!

    You a GD Cuck!!!!

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  268. iffen says:

    pick out some Emmanuel Goldsteins for voters to hate

    I thought E. Goldstein’s heirs were all lining up in support of Hillary.

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  269. Svigor says:

    (In reference to the online poll that had Trump shellacking Cankles)

    I guess we now know what the real polls show.

    My instinct is to dismiss online polls as too easily gamed. But in this case, Hillary’s the one with all the PTB juice. If there was any gaming, you’d think it’d be from her camp (tech industry very much included). So, I dunno.

    The left is quite sure Hillary is going to win

    I doubt that.

    Mainstream media. Yes you. In coordinating with the Clinton campaign, setting up and adding to their memes and propaganda, you are destroying your credibility the remaining tatters of your credibility. It will not end well, but keep digging. What you dread is coming, is coming.

    Donald Trump can’t even maintain some of the red states that Mitt Romney and John McCain won.

    Last time I checked, in the last actual measure of voting we have, Trump beat every Republican candidate in history. I think I have that right; didn’t he get more primary votes than Reagan, etc?

    eggheadshadhisnumber = 24 comments at this blog, starting July 2016. Here’s a couple:

    I would like to emphasize to any bystanders prowling through this website’s comment section that the psychotic anti-Semitism displayed by this post is in no way representative of the Unz Review’s membership. Most of this nonsense comes from insecure Russians such as the Chechen enabler, Andrei Raevsky.

    Again, what is your quibble with the expressed facts? Judging from a fairly broad sampling of commentator and writer profiles at the Unz Review, the majority of individuals seem to possess few, if any, anti-Semitic inclinations. The ones that do happen to be Russian ultra-nationalists, crackpot opponents of Israel, and embittered Europeans who go green-eyed upon looking at evidence of Jewish intellectual superiority, such as ethnic IQ averages and Nobel Prize representation. Entertainingly enough, some have managed to reconcile familial anti-Semitism and reality through statements such as the one below, written by a prominent, published figure you probably read regularly:

    Been here a month and already concern-trolling and yakking about (((Who We Are))). Didn’t see any pro-white comments, but maybe I missed them.

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  270. iffen says:
    @whorefinder
    I will bet any amount of money that, if she does open up this can of worms, Hillary will tie Donald Trump to the "rape culture" she will accuse PUAs of having.

    Remember that many men come to the Alt-Right via the red pill and pick-up blogs. It's a good intro: men wonder why all the advice they've ever gotten about women hasn't worked, start a google search, and begin to question their feminist-indoctrinated beliefs. Soon they start admitting the sexes are very different, and then they get results with women, and then they are ready to question their other deeply-held beliefs, such as those about race, culture, and the like.

    Since the Left has already painted PUAs as sexist-mysognyists unpersons who are either (1) rapists or (2) losers living in their mothers basements, it wouldn't be much of a stretch for Leftists to make Trump responsible for rapes by these loser-rapists (of which there is no evidence).

    Roosh got swarmed in February by no less than the Washington Post, and although he's not folded and still going strong, damage was done.

    Of course she'll bring up the race realists. And probably her crew are working overtime to grab some links and screenshots to more inflammatory posts, posters, and such.

    But don't count out the fact that feminism is a big driver of Hillary's campaign, so race AND sexual BadThought in the Alt Right will be attacked.

    then they get results with women, and then they are ready to question their other deeply-held beliefs, such as those about race, culture, and the like.

    Whoa! Talk about some powerful “stuff.”

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  271. @The most deplorable one

    The “Alt” in Alt-Right means “not the Republican Party”.
     
    Stop making shit up Ben, you cuck!

    https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/what-alt-right-is.html

    Stop making shit up Ben, you cuck!

    You’re an insufferable moron. Vox has a long-winded definition; I have a short one.

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  272. Kyle says:
    @ben tillman
    You're in a bubble or out of your mind. Millions of women who would support his policies are put off by Trump's style.

    They’re put off because they are told millions of other “women are put off by him.”

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  273. Marc says:
    @PapayaSF
    Clearly, the most unifying, utopian position is to embrace endless immigration by Third Worlders, especially Muslims.

    But I wonder if her denunciation of the alt-right might backfire. A whole lot of people might hear about it, investigate, and discover a lot of what used to be called "common sense."

    +1. There is no such thing as bad publicity at this juncture.

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  274. Kyle says:
    @SFG
    I didn't call you anything, at least intentionally, and I'm pro-2nd amendment. But tell me, do you think frog memes (yes, I enjoy them too) and Nazi imagery make you more popular with the general American public, or less?

    Nazi imagery is funny now.

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  275. Kyle says:
    @Jefferson
    I can't tell if that Brown girl Hildabeast is hugging is Southeast Asian or just one of those Amerindian Hispanics with Chino eyes.

    Who’s more attractive. Hillary or the flat faced girl?

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    I think Hillary likes hanging out with Huma because Huma makes Hillary look like a relatively normal person. Huma looks like an anteater.
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  276. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Boomstick
    "I’ve always held that the Alt-Right is essentially rooted in a Traditionalist alternative to Classical Liberalism and modernity. "

    I think it's what some Classical Liberals have been driven to because the Left has knocked out the intellectual underpinning of Classical Liberalism. Liberalism in action requires that most of the nation believe in Liberalism, and certainly that the political elites do as well. If everyone you interact with is looking out for their fellow ethnic/sexual identity/vegan collective/gender first and thinking about abstract principles of justice several levels below that, then you're a mug if you don't start taking a hard look at doing the same. All the more so if the leadership of the nation is also arguing that abstract notions of justice are just a rhetorical ploy by whitey to keep the black man down.

    Sadly, I don't think the Left realizes how quickly a Liberal attitude can end in a nation, and how hard it is to recreate it once gone.

    Yes, what the Left seem to want is a multiracial society were every race but one organizes to defend its interests. Well that’s just not possible, at least not in the long term.

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  277. Whiskey says: • Website

    The defining struggle of the post Cold War West has been the disconnect between White Professional Women and every other White person when it comes to Mass Third World Immigration and Diversity/PC/Multiculturalism.

    This is why Trump is moving towards no deportations, legalization, and probably no wall ever built as his “New Improved Trump.” [I never trusted him anyway, but at least he's not Hillary! who hates me for being Straight, White, and Male.]

    Hillary! won’t gain an inch among working class White men or women. But denunciations of Bad-Thought by Trump being tied to Bad-Thinkers is extremely effective; it will also pull in College Educated White men who are either the top 5% of that class, and Alpha enough to do what they want and will remain Trump if that’s what they want, or appeasing beta males who supplicate and go along with Hillary! to buy peace from their angry wives and girlfriends who … hate hate hate Bad-Thought and Bad-Thinkers.

    What, are Professional White women being fired for being White and replaced with a Vibrant example of Diversity? No that’s White men. Are Professional White women seeing their wages stagnate or go backwards, like programmers or engineers or other people subject to the H1-B tidal wave? No that’s White men. Are Professional White women marrying and having kids EARLY with White men so they are tied to and depend upon their earnings? Nope, White Professional women play the carousel and marry very late if ever, and don’t need White male earnings for child care and family expenses.

    This is Hillary!s kill-shot among White Professional Women already turned off by Trump being a Bad-Thinker in not groveling to Khizr Khan, the hectoring Sharia-loving Muslim. Trump was neither Media-adored enough (the reverse) or a young dominant sexy dude to get away with that, like Marky Mark did in bashing some Vietnamese elderly man’s head in while shouting racial slurs. White Professional women have double standards, one for Alpha sexy dudes and one for every other White man. That’s just what it is. Of course as she drags about 80% of White professional women to her; she’ll get likely 65% of Professional White men not wanting to be caught out and not Alpha enough to make that stick.

    As Paul Kersey once said, America is irredeemable. It is over. So is the society of the West. Get used to it — fantasy is no survival strategy.

    White men have to realize that most of the White Female Professional class WANTS Brazil like a daily dose of Eat-Pray-Love right at home, no need to travel. The will not change, and Trump is likely an Electoral College wipeout loser; Hillary is not even BOTHERING to spend in Florida, PA, VA, and CO. She’s spending in GA, and AL, and MS, states that even Romney picked up.

    Vote for Trump; its better than nothing. But spend your time gaining Martial Arts skills, practice situational awareness, hoard cash (in safety deposit boxes) or in other ways so there is no “White Male Tax” Hillary can use to just seize your money as happened to depositors in Cyprus and Greece (though it hit everyone not just White males). Understand that most of the country is against you; hates you; and you can only survive by fighting when you must, and avoiding buying into a corrupt, stupid, and disastrous system.

    We live in Brazil, that won’t change, the only thing that we can do is survive.

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  278. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    This is one of those times I wish I could jump inside Donald Trump’s body and get him to say what he should but probably won’t. This is a point on which Hillary could be OBLITERATED. What Trump needs to point out is that right now, voters have a binary choice- him and Hillary. Yeah, you can vote for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein, but they’re not going to win. So, it is no surprise that people are lining up on either side of the choice. Some of us ‘right wing extremists’ are lining up behind him. But what about the people who think randomly shooting police officers is a form of social justice? They’re lining up behind Hillary. So are the kind of folks who show up outside Trump’s political rallies and physically assault someone because of the kind of hat or t-shirt they have on. Would Hillary like to address these people? If being the candidate of law and order draws the far right to Trump, being the candidate of lawlessness and social disintegration draws the far left to Hillary.

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  279. artichoke says:

    Trump is taking over the center, and if he manages to legitimize himself with a share of blacks and hispanics, Hillary definitely loses. So Hillary has to delegitimize that effort. Existing labels aren’t working, so she has to throw a new concept into the debate, “alt-right”.

    She can’t be sure it will stick, this seems very risky and could even backfire, but she sees the need to take this risk to blunt Trump’s momentum.

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    Exactly. He is getting the center. Everyone in our town is too paranoid to put a bumper sticker or a lawn sign out for any candidate. Bernie's bumper stickers are still around, but we live in a town where no one wants to show their emotions or stand for what they believe in, and, they don't want trouble...so, I predict, no lawn signs.

    But, making something out of Alt-right is just silly. Honestly, it sounds like a bar or nightclub in the Lower East Side, back-in-the-day of the Reagan Era go-go 80's, when my friends and I were stumbling about trying to get our key in the apt door after leaving, "Alt-Right!"
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  280. Bonzo says:
    @Jack D
    Congratulations boys and girls, Steve has made the big time. He's now important enough to hate.

    Ghandi said, First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. So 3 down and one to go!

    Bottle of champagne for Steve if Hillary mentions him by name.

    Ghandi was well aware that he was not dealing with animals.

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  281. Bill says:
    @Paul Kersey
    Steve,

    Let's be honest: if there's a serious troll out there wanting to create the absolute funniest video of all-time, they'd crash the Clinton speech dressed as a Green Frog.

    2016 will be defined by the meme wars: Clinton has one -- Trump is a Nazi and he must be stopped to save democracy.

    Funny to think Clinton is about to devout a big speech, with the help of her public relations assets working for corporate media, to try and connect a green frog, Moon Man, and Harambe as the great Alt-Right against Humanity...

    Let that sink for a moment.

    Pepe has a name, you know.

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  282. Jefferson says:
    @AndrewR
    The average American is "right wing" enough to be turned off by Hillary's shameless appeals to BLM, pro-thug and anti-white rhetoric.

    “The average American is “right wing” enough to be turned off by Hillary’s shameless appeals to BLM, pro-thug and anti-white rhetoric.”

    No they are not. All polls say the average American stands with the pro-Black Lies Matter candidate as they see her as the lesser of 2 evils when compared to Donald Trump.

    Hildabeast is expected to win states that Barack Hussein Obama lost in a landslide in 2008 & 2012, like Utah and Georgia for example.

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  283. @Jack D
    Congratulations boys and girls, Steve has made the big time. He's now important enough to hate.

    Ghandi said, First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. So 3 down and one to go!

    Bottle of champagne for Steve if Hillary mentions him by name.

    Bottle of champagne for Steve if Hillary mentions him by name.

    Absolutely zero chance of that.

    Steve is interesting, numberate, thoughtful. His writing comes across as good-natured, common sense. The last thing in the world the establishment wants is a bunch of Americans reading Sailer and thinking “He seems reasonable to me … it’s our policies that seem a little wild, out-there, possibly disastrous.” The establishment wants folks to think the alternative is Stormfront, not Sailer.

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  284. Jefferson says:
    @AndrewR
    Average Americans are not "anti-racist" in the practical sense, let alone "rabidly." That term does not mean "simply opposed to racism" and you know it. It is a term only used by the virulently anti-white. Most white non-Democrats (and some white Democrats, at least historically) are equally averse to anti-white policies and rhetoric as to anti-nonwhite policies and rhetoric. Go on your average news station or newspaper's facebook page on any article about BLM or affirmative action. Most white Americans are as color-blind as MLK claimed to have wanted. Of course now the "anti-racists" say that being color blind is racist, and I think that bothers most whites.

    Courting the support of BLM, giving violent thugs' mothers a platform to play victim, and trying to shame whites into being subjected to a one-way lecture on race is not appealing to any more than 20% of whites, most of whom are registered Democrats. I think you are naïve to not recognize this.

    “Courting the support of BLM, giving violent thugs’ mothers a platform to play victim, and trying to shame whites into being subjected to a one-way lecture on race is not appealing to any more than 20% of whites,”

    The pro-Black Lies Matter candidate Crooked Hildabeast is expected to win way more than 20 percent of the White vote. She is expected to win a higher share of the White vote than Barack Hussein Obama did in 2012 and that’s because a lot of Whites who voted for Mitt Romney now want to see the historical crowning of a first woman president.

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  285. Tex says:
    @ben tillman
    You're in a bubble or out of your mind. Millions of women who would support his policies are put off by Trump's style.

    The rally in ultra-lib Austin, Texas was about 50-50 men and women. I doubt it was an unusual gathering.

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  286. Jefferson says:

    Since Donald Trump has no chance in hell of ever becoming POTUS, he might as well go out swinging during the debates. I want The Donald to accuse Crooked Hildabeast of sending out a murder hit on Seth Rich & Antonin Scalia and than ask the American people if they want to elect a natural born killer for POTUS who is no different than El Chapo. I also want him to go back to referring to Crooked Hildabeast as The Devil. I want him to bring up the video of Crooked Hildabeast shaking like she has Michael J. Fox parkinson’s disease. I want him to bring up the video of Hilda needing people to help her climb a flight of stairs. I want him to bring up Hilda cheating on her husband Bill with Huma Abedin. I want The Donald to go completely off script like Warren Beatty’s character in Bulworth. I want The Donald to flip the double middle finger to Crooked Hildabeast’s face Stone Cold Steve Austin style and than drop the mic like Black stand up comedians do. After that he says this debate is over I am out, peace.

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  287. MEH 0910 says:

    The latest David Weigel alt-right piece in The Washington Post:

    What’s the alt-right? A primer

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    Appears that David Weigel has started to glom onto what we all learned simultaneously yesterday: Richard Spencer has been yanking his and other journalists' chains for years as someone of major influence, lol!

    I never gave it too much thought, but did kinda wonder why Spencer kept getting discussed in the past year. And, I swear to God, when his clothes were commented on at the RNC, I wondered if it was his style and fashion sense that kept drawing the journalists to him, like, causing them to see him as a "leader": D'oh!
    , @The most deplorable one
    https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/768598272692715520
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  288. This is all getting rather exciting. Daily Stormer has more today Ahead of Clinton Speech, WaPo Does Another Alt-Right Article.

    The linked Washington Post article Hillary Clinton plans to tie Donald Trump to the ‘alt-right’ and the worst of the Web sets the motivation out well.

    In other words, Clinton thinks the alt-right — which is only tangential to Trump — can help her beat him, by further drawing Republicans away from their candidate.

    and concludes:

    And she’s probably right.is Phillip

    That remains to be seen.

    Using Sailer would be hard to tar Trump as there’s nothing here that even remotely smacks of being pro-White as such, let alone a political manifesto. Some of the other Unz writers, and even Ron himself, could be utilised though. I think the trump card for Hilary will be Anglin’s Daily Stormer. Anglin, we salute you!

    Btw, this Philip Bump of the Washington Post looks a lot like the umpire from Air’s Kelly Watch the Stars video, I’m tempted to bet it’s the same guy.

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  289. @Bee
    Alt-righters/Steve Sailer-fans/etc.: "We support a total nutcase for president because he promised us goodies!"

    What happens when he (inevitably) revokes the promise?
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/donald-trump-immigration/497021/

    Alt-righters/Steve Sailer-fans/etc.: “We support a total nutcase for president because he promised us goodies!”

    Bee, talk about projection. It’s the *state* party–i.e. the Democrats, the parasite party–that promise people “goodies” in return for votes.

    I’m really just looking for politicans who will in the classic American sense, leave me alone and not screw things up.

    And Trump a nutcase? The establishment in the West has been rolling out a suite of utterly stupid and ridiculous policies–”multiculturalism”, mass immigration, welcoming Muslims, the Euro, housing bubble, Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya and Syria, gay marriage, waving in refugees–that have us lurching from crisis to crisis and with the open immigration are a lock to destroy the West. Next to that–which Hillary cheerleads–Trump is a calm cool collected voice of deliberative wisdom.

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  290. MC says:
    @Lagertha
    No. He knows.

    I assume Steve is cited somewhere in Ann Coulter’s book, so Trump’s SEEN the name, but I would bet a fair sum of money that if you said the name “Steve Sailer” to Trump, he’d stare at you blankly.

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    I agree that he does not remember anyone he has not met. But, his people have looked at all of the ideas and thoughts that are on this blog, and many others. And, some of these ideas on blogs and Reddit-like sites have been incorporated into his campaign. Of course, Dinesh's movie: Hillary's America has caused the current brouhaha over the Clinton Foundation...and how blacks are taken for granted. She should really be attacking Dinesh. Sending him to prison again, won't work anymore! haha!

    Deny, deny, deny is what Trump needs to learn, from now on, (HRC has perfected this attitude), if ever asked about any connection to someone the DNC wants to take to the guillotine. He must be aware of the traps that are now set-up until Nov. 10th. No more tar babies, and quicksand, with loose lips.

    The whole, "speaking to the public about the (nefarious, obscure) "Alt-right," is just so silly on the part of the HRC campaign. Most people in my town have never heard of 'Alt-right,' but they did watch Dr. Strangelove, Bullworth, Wag-the-Dog (Bill-like movie!), Austin Powers movies back-in-the-day. Maybe the DNC is trying to stir things up? Trying to confuse Trump campaigners? Why are they so scared of the alt-right...if it even is "a thing?" Is it a thing?

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  291. @Svigor
    (In reference to the online poll that had Trump shellacking Cankles)

    I guess we now know what the real polls show.
     
    My instinct is to dismiss online polls as too easily gamed. But in this case, Hillary's the one with all the PTB juice. If there was any gaming, you'd think it'd be from her camp (tech industry very much included). So, I dunno.

    The left is quite sure Hillary is going to win
     
    I doubt that.

    Mainstream media. Yes you. In coordinating with the Clinton campaign, setting up and adding to their memes and propaganda, you are destroying your credibility the remaining tatters of your credibility. It will not end well, but keep digging. What you dread is coming, is coming.
     

    Donald Trump can’t even maintain some of the red states that Mitt Romney and John McCain won.
     
    Last time I checked, in the last actual measure of voting we have, Trump beat every Republican candidate in history. I think I have that right; didn't he get more primary votes than Reagan, etc?

    eggheadshadhisnumber = 24 comments at this blog, starting July 2016. Here's a couple:

    I would like to emphasize to any bystanders prowling through this website’s comment section that the psychotic anti-Semitism displayed by this post is in no way representative of the Unz Review’s membership. Most of this nonsense comes from insecure Russians such as the Chechen enabler, Andrei Raevsky.
     

    Again, what is your quibble with the expressed facts? Judging from a fairly broad sampling of commentator and writer profiles at the Unz Review, the majority of individuals seem to possess few, if any, anti-Semitic inclinations. The ones that do happen to be Russian ultra-nationalists, crackpot opponents of Israel, and embittered Europeans who go green-eyed upon looking at evidence of Jewish intellectual superiority, such as ethnic IQ averages and Nobel Prize representation. Entertainingly enough, some have managed to reconcile familial anti-Semitism and reality through statements such as the one below, written by a prominent, published figure you probably read regularly:
     
    Been here a month and already concern-trolling and yakking about (((Who We Are))). Didn't see any pro-white comments, but maybe I missed them.

    Jefferson’s post history is pretty similar.

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  292. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Here’s the foretaste, in case you missed it:

    [blockquote]John Podesta, Clinton’s campaign chairman, said the arrival of Bannon and other Trump advisers completes Trump’s “disturbing takeover of the Republican party.”

    “We intend to call out this ‘alt-right’ shift and the divisive and dystopian vision of America they put forth because it tells voters everything they need to know about Donald Trump himself,” Podesta said in a statement. “Republicans up and down the ticket are going to have to choose whether they want to be complicit in this lurch towards extremism or stand with the voters who can’t stomach it.”[/blockquote]

    Unlike “Trump is temperamentally unfit”, that gets warmongers and billionaires in line for her (making some on the left queasy, just a little), an attack on alt-rightism is something both masochist cuckservatives and implacable leftists can enjoy. They’ve always called Republicans cryptoracists, and now the separate label “alt-right” enables Democrats to force contrition from Republicans without them digging their heels in.

    I also wonder if that quote from Paul Ryan along the lines of “Just who are these alt-right guys anyway? That’s not who we are” gave them ideas.

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    last paragraph: Bingo. Robin says, "not me. - it's the Joker, by golly, Batman!"

    Is it me or does Paul remind me of Robin, Eddie Munster? I'm sure I would get along with him if I met him, but does he not realize that this is the existential moment in his career? - I mean, as a mother; his kids are young??? In the words of Trump, vis-a-vis his address to black people, "what have you got to lose?" by getting on the Trump train. I mean, the 'clutching of pearls" by Republicans is so gas-baggy. These men (some women) don't know how gas-baggy-old they seem to the Millennials...even the Gen Y crowd.

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  293. pyrrhus says:
    @PapayaSF
    Clearly, the most unifying, utopian position is to embrace endless immigration by Third Worlders, especially Muslims.

    But I wonder if her denunciation of the alt-right might backfire. A whole lot of people might hear about it, investigate, and discover a lot of what used to be called "common sense."

    The alt-right will be overjoyed, check out the comment thread at Vox Populi…..

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  294. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @MC
    I assume Steve is cited somewhere in Ann Coulter's book, so Trump's SEEN the name, but I would bet a fair sum of money that if you said the name "Steve Sailer" to Trump, he'd stare at you blankly.

    I agree that he does not remember anyone he has not met. But, his people have looked at all of the ideas and thoughts that are on this blog, and many others. And, some of these ideas on blogs and Reddit-like sites have been incorporated into his campaign. Of course, Dinesh’s movie: Hillary’s America has caused the current brouhaha over the Clinton Foundation…and how blacks are taken for granted. She should really be attacking Dinesh. Sending him to prison again, won’t work anymore! haha!

    Deny, deny, deny is what Trump needs to learn, from now on, (HRC has perfected this attitude), if ever asked about any connection to someone the DNC wants to take to the guillotine. He must be aware of the traps that are now set-up until Nov. 10th. No more tar babies, and quicksand, with loose lips.

    The whole, “speaking to the public about the (nefarious, obscure) “Alt-right,” is just so silly on the part of the HRC campaign. Most people in my town have never heard of ‘Alt-right,’ but they did watch Dr. Strangelove, Bullworth, Wag-the-Dog (Bill-like movie!), Austin Powers movies back-in-the-day. Maybe the DNC is trying to stir things up? Trying to confuse Trump campaigners? Why are they so scared of the alt-right…if it even is “a thing?” Is it a thing?

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  295. ATBOTL says:

    Part of what’s going on is the Democrats are trying to help the alt right get publicity because they think it will hurt Trump and keep conservatives and the GOP as divided as possible. They are playing with fire in the long term of course.

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  296. @Jefferson
    "Does “their privilege” include gay rights? ‘Cause I don’t see anyone but whitey pushing that cause."

    Gay marriage is legal in some Latin American countries, but that is because Catholics regardless of race are a lot more Homo-friendly than Muslims.

    Gay marriage is legal in some Latin American countries, but that is because Catholics regardless of race are a lot more Homo-friendly than Muslims.

    For tush in the Kush, no place beats Pedera[fghani]stan. Indeed, the whole Sotadic Zone. Burton spoke from experience.

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  297. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    Trump’s base is angry, socially inept, insecure whites who need to believe they are the master race and that their perceived failure is the fault of a mass conspiracy by Jews/blacks/feminists/Mexicans to “steal” their privilege. Sad, pathetic and extremely dangerous. This well armed cohort of radical, America hating extremists is the greatest threat the nation has ever faced. The last time these scum were in ascendency was in the late 1850s. We know what happened shortly thereafter.

    Just ignore Tiny. He spouts off nonsense with the goal of obviously trying to annoy people. Not sure what he gets out of it. 50-Cent Party troll for Soros? Or hoping to chase people off from rational discussion on ‘taboo’ topics? Maybe he just gets a ‘thrill up his leg’ from it like Chris Matthews does whenever he thinks about Obama.

    Make use of the “Commenters to Ignore” Button that Steve and Unz give you to deal with trolls like Tiny.

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  298. Lagertha says:
    @artichoke
    Trump is taking over the center, and if he manages to legitimize himself with a share of blacks and hispanics, Hillary definitely loses. So Hillary has to delegitimize that effort. Existing labels aren't working, so she has to throw a new concept into the debate, "alt-right".

    She can't be sure it will stick, this seems very risky and could even backfire, but she sees the need to take this risk to blunt Trump's momentum.

    Exactly. He is getting the center. Everyone in our town is too paranoid to put a bumper sticker or a lawn sign out for any candidate. Bernie’s bumper stickers are still around, but we live in a town where no one wants to show their emotions or stand for what they believe in, and, they don’t want trouble…so, I predict, no lawn signs.

    But, making something out of Alt-right is just silly. Honestly, it sounds like a bar or nightclub in the Lower East Side, back-in-the-day of the Reagan Era go-go 80′s, when my friends and I were stumbling about trying to get our key in the apt door after leaving, “Alt-Right!”

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  299. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    I am almost beside myself with excitement waiting for Hillary to make her announcement tomorrow.

    What will she do?

    Will she stay in bed because she is too tired and doesn’t want to legitimize the Alt-Right any more?

    Will she recycle all the old epithets and end up saying that anyone who supports Trump is a racist, sexist, homophobic, bitter-clinging poo-poo head?

    Will she come up with a new set of epithets for those who oppose her that helps keep them away from the polls in November?

    Will she work in tandem with the likes of Twitter, Facebook, Google, Apple, etc and deny the Alt-Right a platform in the brave new world of social media?

    Whatever it is, this election has been much more interesting than so many before it.

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    Crooked Hildabeast will announce that if she becomes president, she will drone attack the houses of every Alt-Righter in America.

    Crooked Hildabeast is used to murdering people, just ask the family of Seth Rich. Crooked Hildabeast is the most dangerous woman in the world. She is the real gangster Queen Of The South.

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  300. @The most deplorable one
    Actually, Ben, I am beginning to think you are another Cuck!

    Have you not read SJWs always lie?

    There is no problem with Trump's personality despite Main Slime Media claims that he is a worse psychopath than Hitler, and there is no problem with the way he presents his policies.

    There is no problem with Trump’s personality despite Main Slime Media claims that he is a worse psychopath than Hitler, and there is no problem with the way he presents his policies.

    Nonsense. Ben is right.

    We have these things called elections and–unfortunately–women get to vote in them. And women are more complaint–they hear the narrative and if it’s plausible they tend to buy it. And the media is all in water carrying for Hillary.

    Trump’s style of presenting his ideas and getting into stupid arguments is not working with white–in particular college educated–women. Some of these are voters Trump just isn’t going to get. But plenty of them are moms. They have kids and if you can paint your policies as better for the long term prospects of a mom’s kids–without being “mean”–then you get the mom’s vote.

    This stuff isn’t complicated. For instance instead of his “Mexican rapists” thing you talk about “American jobs belong to Americans”. Instead of getting in a little pissing match with Khan, you praise his son’s service and say “America belongs to Americans. We shouldn’t take in *any* immigrant who doesn’t make America better now and in the future for our children and grandchildren.” You repeatedly say “We’ve got a millions of high school and college grads out looking for work. Un-employed, underemployed. American jobs should go to American kids first.”

    Fundamental principles. As tough as you like. As manly as you like. As fun as you like. But setup to send the message that Trump cares about and is looking out for the future that your kids inherit.

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    You must have missed it, because he has said all of those things.

    Why do you think so many women are attending his rallies.
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  301. @RW
    http://www.alternativeright.com/ cannot be accessed in China

    The site has been closed. I can’t reach it from Canada.

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  302. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @AnotherDad

    There is no problem with Trump’s personality despite Main Slime Media claims that he is a worse psychopath than Hitler, and there is no problem with the way he presents his policies.
     
    Nonsense. Ben is right.

    We have these things called elections and--unfortunately--women get to vote in them. And women are more complaint--they hear the narrative and if it's plausible they tend to buy it. And the media is all in water carrying for Hillary.

    Trump's style of presenting his ideas and getting into stupid arguments is not working with white--in particular college educated--women. Some of these are voters Trump just isn't going to get. But plenty of them are moms. They have kids and if you can paint your policies as better for the long term prospects of a mom's kids--without being "mean"--then you get the mom's vote.

    This stuff isn't complicated. For instance instead of his "Mexican rapists" thing you talk about "American jobs belong to Americans". Instead of getting in a little pissing match with Khan, you praise his son's service and say "America belongs to Americans. We shouldn't take in *any* immigrant who doesn't make America better now and in the future for our children and grandchildren." You repeatedly say "We've got a millions of high school and college grads out looking for work. Un-employed, underemployed. American jobs should go to American kids first."

    Fundamental principles. As tough as you like. As manly as you like. As fun as you like. But setup to send the message that Trump cares about and is looking out for the future that your kids inherit.

    You must have missed it, because he has said all of those things.

    Why do you think so many women are attending his rallies.

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    duh, because he is resonating with them.

    Full disclosure: voted for O 2x; always an independent; became disillusioned and sad; went full alt-right (am a 3rd gen entrepreneur, with confusing taxes) with this election. As mothers, our children and their future, is the most important thing in the world for me...mothers, we are a weird bunch. As an immigrant, this is just reality.

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  303. Lagertha says:
    @Anonymous
    Here's the foretaste, in case you missed it:

    [blockquote]John Podesta, Clinton's campaign chairman, said the arrival of Bannon and other Trump advisers completes Trump's "disturbing takeover of the Republican party."

    "We intend to call out this 'alt-right' shift and the divisive and dystopian vision of America they put forth because it tells voters everything they need to know about Donald Trump himself," Podesta said in a statement. "Republicans up and down the ticket are going to have to choose whether they want to be complicit in this lurch towards extremism or stand with the voters who can't stomach it."[/blockquote]

    Unlike "Trump is temperamentally unfit", that gets warmongers and billionaires in line for her (making some on the left queasy, just a little), an attack on alt-rightism is something both masochist cuckservatives and implacable leftists can enjoy. They've always called Republicans cryptoracists, and now the separate label "alt-right" enables Democrats to force contrition from Republicans without them digging their heels in.

    I also wonder if that quote from Paul Ryan along the lines of "Just who are these alt-right guys anyway? That's not who we are" gave them ideas.

    last paragraph: Bingo. Robin says, “not me. – it’s the Joker, by golly, Batman!”

    Is it me or does Paul remind me of Robin, Eddie Munster? I’m sure I would get along with him if I met him, but does he not realize that this is the existential moment in his career? – I mean, as a mother; his kids are young??? In the words of Trump, vis-a-vis his address to black people, “what have you got to lose?” by getting on the Trump train. I mean, the ‘clutching of pearls” by Republicans is so gas-baggy. These men (some women) don’t know how gas-baggy-old they seem to the Millennials…even the Gen Y crowd.

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  304. Lagertha says:
    @The most deplorable one
    You must have missed it, because he has said all of those things.

    Why do you think so many women are attending his rallies.

    duh, because he is resonating with them.

    Full disclosure: voted for O 2x; always an independent; became disillusioned and sad; went full alt-right (am a 3rd gen entrepreneur, with confusing taxes) with this election. As mothers, our children and their future, is the most important thing in the world for me…mothers, we are a weird bunch. As an immigrant, this is just reality.

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  305. Dahlia says:
    @MEH 0910
    The latest David Weigel alt-right piece in The Washington Post:

    What’s the alt-right? A primer

    Appears that David Weigel has started to glom onto what we all learned simultaneously yesterday: Richard Spencer has been yanking his and other journalists’ chains for years as someone of major influence, lol!

    I never gave it too much thought, but did kinda wonder why Spencer kept getting discussed in the past year. And, I swear to God, when his clothes were commented on at the RNC, I wondered if it was his style and fashion sense that kept drawing the journalists to him, like, causing them to see him as a “leader”: D’oh!

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  306. Lurker says:
    @Lurker

    Ohhh, you are implying that we are Nazis? They wanted to confiscate guns didn’t they?
     
    Gun control in Germany was more liberal 1933-45 than in Weimar or today.

    Rhetoric? Never heard of it.

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  307. Jefferson says:
    @The most deplorable one
    I am almost beside myself with excitement waiting for Hillary to make her announcement tomorrow.

    What will she do?

    Will she stay in bed because she is too tired and doesn't want to legitimize the Alt-Right any more?

    Will she recycle all the old epithets and end up saying that anyone who supports Trump is a racist, sexist, homophobic, bitter-clinging poo-poo head?

    Will she come up with a new set of epithets for those who oppose her that helps keep them away from the polls in November?

    Will she work in tandem with the likes of Twitter, Facebook, Google, Apple, etc and deny the Alt-Right a platform in the brave new world of social media?

    Whatever it is, this election has been much more interesting than so many before it.

    Crooked Hildabeast will announce that if she becomes president, she will drone attack the houses of every Alt-Righter in America.

    Crooked Hildabeast is used to murdering people, just ask the family of Seth Rich. Crooked Hildabeast is the most dangerous woman in the world. She is the real gangster Queen Of The South.

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    She is the real gangster Queen Of The South.

    She wants to be a gangster queen, which is why she did that 2008 campaign commercial in which she played the Tony Soprano role in a recreation of the last scene in The Sopranos. She couldn't resist giving us a taste.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfkRjvAYuOc

    Soprano mob wives discuss Hillary:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKBVA7rRrck
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  308. Jefferson says:

    Crooked Hildabeast has ordered the deaths of so many people that her official campaign should be the gangsta rap song Natural Born Killaz by Ice Cube.

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  309. @Kyle
    Who's more attractive. Hillary or the flat faced girl?

    I think Hillary likes hanging out with Huma because Huma makes Hillary look like a relatively normal person. Huma looks like an anteater.

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  310. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @MEH 0910
    The latest David Weigel alt-right piece in The Washington Post:

    What’s the alt-right? A primer
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  311. I’m no strategist… I have muttered occasionally, “Why do they spill so much ink about Hillary being old & decrepit, isn’t that who votes”… But I kinda hope she brings in the PUA Reddit (did this already happen? I haven’t the foggiest). Because this election is the ultimate sh!t-test. Spoiled termagants nagging at you not to vote for your guy cuz it’s Wayciss. Probing for men’s willingness to be hectored & bullied has now spilled over into literally all facets of modernity. We are not at a “Cuban Pimp-Hand Crisis” breaking point, necessarily, but this Nov ya gotta bring the hammer down.

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  312. mukat says:
    @countenance
    And now we know why the media have been spilling a lot of ink about the alt-right in the last few days. They're telling Hillary who to attack.

    And now we know why the media have been spilling a lot of ink about the alt-right in the last few days. They’re telling Hillary who to attack.

    As Moldbug said, the Dem party is just the political wing of the Cathedral (media). (The Dems are the home team. The Dem party is the ‘inside party’ wholly encompassed by the larger Cathedral, which has no enemies to the left).

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  313. @Jefferson
    "So not voting for the GOP was not indicative that the person wasn’t conservative. The GOP wasn’t conservative."

    And Barack Hussein Obama was a Conservative?

    "the conservative brand had been highly damaged by its rabid support of intervention, nation-building, free trade and tax cuts for the wealthy."

    Barack Hussein Obama supports free trade and Wall Street fat cats have gotten even wealthier under 8 years of Obama than under 8 years of Bush.

    "I know people who voted for Obama (twice) and will vote for Trump in November."

    For every 1 voter who voted for Barack twice, you got 100 Barack voters who plan to vote for Crooked Hildabeast.

    Crooked Hildabeast is expected to win red states which The Democratic Party have not won since 1976 or 1980. States like Utah, Nebraska, North Carolina, and Georgia. That is how extremely weak of a candidate Donald Trump is.

    Donald Trump can't even maintain some of the red states that Mitt Romney and John McCain won.

    Crooked Hildabeast is expected to win red states which The Democratic Party have not won since 1976 or 1980. States like Utah, Nebraska, North Carolina, and Georgia. That is how extremely weak of a candidate Donald Trump is.

    The Republicans are going to have increasing trouble in the South. This is a known thing. Virginia is already solidly purple due to the flood of apparatchiks into the DC suburbs. North Carolina is growing quickly with professionals from up north, plus very rapid immigration and is in play. Georgia follows.

    Trump is the anti-establishment candidate so he won’t be carrying Virginia unless it’s a blowout. But NC and Georgia he will carry if he gets any closing momentum going. There’s no way in hell Trump is losing Utah under any plausible scenario short of self-immolation.

    Ultimately, the Republican party is going to have to follow the Sailer strategy and win larger majorities of the white votes in the whiter states of the upper midwest–Ohio, Pennsylvania, Iowa, Wisconsin, perhaps even Minnesota. Which it can do by finally *actually representing its voting base of middle class white people!*

    What you’re missing in your hyperventilation is that Hillary isn’t actually winning majorities in any of the states you mention nor even in Trump’s must win battlegrounds like Florida and Ohio. She’s in the 40s–usually the *low* 40s. Which is pretty pathetic for someone running as the known quantity, essentially the “more of the same” incumbent. It’s just that Trump–under the media barrage, and because of his own personal quirks–hasn’t been able to make much progress either.

    Particularly Trump’s having problems nailing down married, college educated white women. But at least Trump is essentially trying the Sailer strategy. He just has to get better with suburban college educated mom demo. Not by turning into a sensitive squish, but by showing he’s offering a much better future for Americans … like these married women’s kids.

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  314. @ben tillman

    Conway is hinting that Trump might try to shift his position on deportation of nonviolent illegals over the next few days.
     
    That would be a huge mistake. His problem is not his policies; it's his personality and how he presents his policies. Making illegals go home is a wildly popular position that his candidacy absolutely depends on.

    That would be a huge mistake. His problem is not his policies; it’s his personality and how he presents his policies. Making illegals go home is a wildly popular position that his candidacy absolutely depends on.

    Well said. Not just a “huge mistake” a disaster. Trump’s popularity is precisely in being a straight talker, saying the truth even if it’s non-PC, and ergo standing for the little guy against the establishment. If Kellyanne Conway turns him into a squish–he’s toast. Who’ll bother to vote for him. (I’m withholding judgement till he see what happens, but … “women … oh!”)

    Rather than roll, now is the time for Trump to double down and call out the insanity of Hillary’s “home free” non-deportation policy. It’s a winning issue that can turn the election. In the debate something like:

    “Hillary’s said she won’t deport illegals, unless they are criminals. This means … you sneak into the US … you’re home free! This is a “come on over!” shout out to the world.

    Mass immigration is simply incompatible with getting Americans back to work and rising wages. Heck bosses like immigration for *cheap labor*–keeping wages down. It’s a disaster for Americans who work for a living. That’s what Hillary has in store for you–falling wages, unemployment, welfare … if we still have enough taxpayers to pay for it.

    “We’re already waving in over a million legal immigrants every year. Over a million. That’s not enough for Hillary. I read a report from one of those research organizations–Pew i think–that said a fifth of the people in the world want to pack up an immigrate. Half of those want to come to the US. That’s like 600million people!

    “We already have 320 million–twice the population when i was born. By mid-century immigration–just what we’re currently doing–will drive us past 400million. Before the centuries out–our kids still alive–we’ll pass 500 million. Half a billion! And Hillary doesn’t want a wall and wants a non-deportation policy–sneak in an your home free. So essentially anyone who can get here can stay. 500 million isn’t enough for her. She wants all those other 600 million foreigners who want to come as well. She wants us packed in like India or China. If you think the roads are crowded now–wait till Hillary has her way. If you think the schools are crowded now–wait till Hillary has her way. If you think housing prices are crazy now–wait till Hillary has her way. If you think wages are too low now–wait till Hillary has her way.

    “Hillary is just an immigration *radical*. We need to enforce the law. Her “home free” policy will just encourage more and more illegal immigration. We already have too much immigration and are headed toward half a billion people Her policy is just insane–it means America will become an ever poorer nation absolutely swamped with people. Or maybe … she just hates Americans. I can’t quite figure out which it is.

    “Hillary, are you insane? Or do you just hate the American people and want to drown them with foreigners?”

    ~~
    That’s what Trump needs to do. He needs to up the ante and expose the extremism of the establishment–and the shitty future they have in mind for us.

    If he turns into a squish instead … forget it. His straight-shooting street cred and the belief he’s in the corner of the average working American … will be shot.

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  315. @AnotherDad

    That would be a huge mistake. His problem is not his policies; it’s his personality and how he presents his policies. Making illegals go home is a wildly popular position that his candidacy absolutely depends on.
     
    Well said. Not just a "huge mistake" a disaster. Trump's popularity is precisely in being a straight talker, saying the truth even if it's non-PC, and ergo standing for the little guy against the establishment. If Kellyanne Conway turns him into a squish--he's toast. Who'll bother to vote for him. (I'm withholding judgement till he see what happens, but ... "women ... oh!")

    Rather than roll, now is the time for Trump to double down and call out the insanity of Hillary's "home free" non-deportation policy. It's a winning issue that can turn the election. In the debate something like:

    "Hillary's said she won't deport illegals, unless they are criminals. This means ... you sneak into the US ... you're home free! This is a "come on over!" shout out to the world.

    Mass immigration is simply incompatible with getting Americans back to work and rising wages. Heck bosses like immigration for *cheap labor*--keeping wages down. It's a disaster for Americans who work for a living. That's what Hillary has in store for you--falling wages, unemployment, welfare ... if we still have enough taxpayers to pay for it.

    "We're already waving in over a million legal immigrants every year. Over a million. That's not enough for Hillary. I read a report from one of those research organizations--Pew i think--that said a fifth of the people in the world want to pack up an immigrate. Half of those want to come to the US. That's like 600million people!

    "We already have 320 million--twice the population when i was born. By mid-century immigration--just what we're currently doing--will drive us past 400million. Before the centuries out--our kids still alive--we'll pass 500 million. Half a billion! And Hillary doesn't want a wall and wants a non-deportation policy--sneak in an your home free. So essentially anyone who can get here can stay. 500 million isn't enough for her. She wants all those other 600 million foreigners who want to come as well. She wants us packed in like India or China. If you think the roads are crowded now--wait till Hillary has her way. If you think the schools are crowded now--wait till Hillary has her way. If you think housing prices are crazy now--wait till Hillary has her way. If you think wages are too low now--wait till Hillary has her way.

    "Hillary is just an immigration *radical*. We need to enforce the law. Her "home free" policy will just encourage more and more illegal immigration. We already have too much immigration and are headed toward half a billion people Her policy is just insane--it means America will become an ever poorer nation absolutely swamped with people. Or maybe ... she just hates Americans. I can't quite figure out which it is.

    "Hillary, are you insane? Or do you just hate the American people and want to drown them with foreigners?"

    ~~
    That's what Trump needs to do. He needs to up the ante and expose the extremism of the establishment--and the shitty future they have in mind for us.

    If he turns into a squish instead ... forget it. His straight-shooting street cred and the belief he's in the corner of the average working American ... will be shot.

    I could not agree more.

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  316. @Jefferson
    Crooked Hildabeast will announce that if she becomes president, she will drone attack the houses of every Alt-Righter in America.

    Crooked Hildabeast is used to murdering people, just ask the family of Seth Rich. Crooked Hildabeast is the most dangerous woman in the world. She is the real gangster Queen Of The South.

    She is the real gangster Queen Of The South.

    She wants to be a gangster queen, which is why she did that 2008 campaign commercial in which she played the Tony Soprano role in a recreation of the last scene in The Sopranos. She couldn’t resist giving us a taste.

    Soprano mob wives discuss Hillary:

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  317. @Hhsiii
    I think that's what Ali G called him: "I'se here with mah main man, Pat Boocohnin"

    Trump and Buchanan are the only interviewees who are immediately sussed out what Baron-Cohen was up to.

    Andy Rooney, too

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  318. @Jefferson
    "Bottle of champagne for Steve if Hillary mentions him by name."

    That's never going to happen. Crooked Hildabeast most likely does not even know who Steve Sailer is. Even Alt-Right guys like Gavin McInnes and Anthony Cumia are more famous than Steve, because Gavin and Anthony are extroverts who make media appearances on Fox News and have their own podcast shows. Steve is an introvert hermit who likes to stay as low key as possible.

    I’m sure Ann Coulter has heard of Steve

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