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Hillary Fell for and Tweeted Out Albany Hate Hoax

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Our ingenue Democratic frontrunner appears unaware of the concept of the campus hate hoax, naively tweeting out the latest lies.

From the New York Times:

Racism Charges in Bus Incident, and Their Unraveling, Upset University at Albany
By VIVIAN YEE MARCH 1, 2016

ALBANY — The allegation set social media ablaze, sowing shock and outrage as it went: Three black students at the University at Albany had been attacked on a city bus by a group of white men who used racial slurs as other passengers and the driver sat silently by.

The Jan. 30 episode, reported to the police, would draw hundreds of people to a campus rally against racism; an emotional response from the university’s president; and even the attention of Hillary Clinton, who condemned the attack on Twitter. …

But only a few weeks later, what seemed to be the latest iteration of a now-familiar debate about race on campus — the protests, the anguished soul-searching, the calls for greater faculty diversity and administrative changes — has metastasized into a controversy of an even more scorching kind: the allegation, the authorities said, was a lie.

Surveillance videos did not support the accounts of the young women, Ms. Burwell, Alexis Briggs and Ariel Agudio. Neither did the statements of multiple fellow passengers. Rather than being victims of a hate crime, the authorities said, the women had been “the aggressors,” hitting a 19-year-old white woman on the bus.

All three pleaded not guilty on Monday to misdemeanor assault charges; Ms. Burwell and Ms. Agudio, who publicized the episode through Twitter, also pleaded not guilty to charges of making a false report. The judge who oversaw the arraignment called the charges, if proved, “shameful.”

It was a turnabout tailor-made to delight conservative media outlets and to ignite social-media recriminations. There were calls for the university’s president, Robert J. Jones, to apologize for his remarks, and for Mrs. Clinton, who is seeking the Democratic nomination for president, to remove her post on Twitter.

For students and activists in Albany and elsewhere, the stakes were greater. Many feared that the hard-won dialogue over racism on campus, the fragile moment of unity, would disappear under a wave of finger-pointing.

“People were forced to think about things that they didn’t think about, maybe, before,” said Amberly Carter, a coordinator at the university’s Multicultural Resource Center who helped organize the rally. “So do we now stop defending black women because of what happened?”

The concept of objective principles seems lost on SJWs — all that matters is Whose Side Are You On?

The Feb. 1 rally, in front of a campus fountain, had seemed to signal an awakening for a university that had watched the University of Missouri, Yale and other institutions grapple with protests over racial discrimination without quite erupting into its own. Young black women spoke of the subtle racism that stamped their daily lives. Students, faculty members and staff members of all races listened intently….

But whatever solidarity emerged has fractured over the charges against the young women, putting their supporters on the defensive. Behind the rush to declare the matter a hoax, they say, is an ingrained prejudice against taking the concerns of minority women seriously. …

Sami Schalk, an assistant professor in the university’s English department, who has devoted class time since the bus episode to talking through the implications with her students, said she was concerned that the women’s detractors had failed to consider the prejudice and “racialized language” the young women may have encountered on campus or before the bus ride that could have played a role in provoking the fight.

As commenter Ben Tillman has pointed out, the term “hate crime hoax” is misleading. These kind of hoaxes are racial hate crimes, concocted specifically to cause hate against white people.

 

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  1. says:
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    Black Hoaxes Matter

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  2. As commenter Ben Tillman has pointed out, the term “hate crime hoax” is misleading. These kind of hoaxes are racial hate crimes, concocted specifically to cause hate against white people.

    I’ve been making that point here, repeatedly, years before Ben. But as Pres Reagan said, there’s no limit to how far you can go if you don’t care who gets credit.

    Now if Ben or someone else wants to ride my other hobby horse– “amnesty” isn’t an amnesty at all, but an outrageously expensive and undeserved gift– please feel free.

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    Our ingenue Democratic frontrunner appears unaware of the concept of the campus hate hoax, naively tweeting out the latest lies.

    If only. Of course she knows there are fake hate crimes all the time. The thing is, what’s the downside for them of falling for a hoax, or at least pretending to? Once it turns out to be another hoax, all you have to do is say that you just innocently fell for it, and while it’s tragic that these people lied, these kinds of crimes are all too real, and excuse me for caring just a little too much about black people, racist!

    Then we get to have another one of those “conversations” we never have.

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  4. She had to tweet it before Bernie did. She knows why she’s winning and wants to keep it that way.

    Of course its possible somebody hacked into her computer. Wouldn’t be the first time.

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    America, a nation of selective immigration.

    America, a nation of immigration laws.

  6. Sami Schalk, an assistant professor in the university’s English department, who has devoted class time since the bus episode to talking through the implications with her students, said she was concerned that the women’s detractors had failed to consider the prejudice and “racialized language” the young women may have encountered on campus or before the bus ride that could have played a role in provoking the fight.

    In other words, those race hate criminals’ victims had it coming. Funny how the perspective does a 180 degree turn as soon as the “hate crime” narrative dissolves.

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    Bad KKK, always targeting their hate beams on poor sincere female politicians who just want to make the world a better place.

  8. I do think it’s possible to flip these incidents and point out that they are “anti-white”, however, it’s just like the argument as to why there isn’t a “White History Month” — namely, whites have so much power, and so much privilege, that they don’t any special attention: In this case, they can’t be the victims because of their powerful status.

    I would suggest that most of this jawjacking going on in the wake of the misdemeanor assault charges is bluster by the supporters of the three young women. And I would further expect to see the support for the three girls to evaporate very quickly.

    There have been so many hate crimes hoaxes in the past 20 years or so, I literally have lost track of it (I know there’s a website that archives these things.) It really is at the point when I hear of some incident like this I just assume it is a hoax, unless proven otherwise. That is not good.

    Maybe professor Whosis, instead of “devoting class time” in her English class (at a university!) to talking about the latest progressive micro-agressive gossip, can get her students to read “The Little Boy Who Cried Wolf.” They might learn something.

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  9. The concept of objective principles seems lost on SJWs — all that matters is Whose Side Are You On?

    Obviously true, but disregard of principle runs rampant on alt-right.

    For example, what brought me back to this piece to leave this comment was encountering the following in another thread:

    I thought Trump should point out some of the crazies that support Bernie Sanders (there must be some) and force him to disavow them.

    Don’t tell me that this kind of utterly unprincipled strategizing isn’t endemic on the right. That it isn’t the essence of the Trump campaign. (Justified by the self-serving argument that the left controls the MSM, so what choice do we have?)

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  10. Good lord. Steve, are you setting these things up? I’d say you’re becoming repetitious if so.

    But, apparently this is all too real. (I read it in the Times you know.)

    How’s anyone gonna have a good protest this summer if this keeps up?

  11. Hillary’s paid for what she doesn’t know. Similar to “I know nothing” Sgt. Shultz.

    http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjE4Mzg3OTgxNl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMTM0MDgxOA@@._V1_UY317_CR101,0,214,317_AL_.jpg

    Their careers depends on what they don’t know.

    “Ingenue” as in innocent of the facts? No, it’s malfeasance and it’s deliberate. It’s not a mistake or oversight, it’s an intentional, self-interested distortion. Not ingenue.

  12. The wording of Clinton’s twitter comment seems rather carefully chosen to me.

    A generic statement opposing racism and violence on campus, without specifying anything particular to this case, suggests that she or her handlers may have been well aware of the hoax potential. If the whole story goes bad, you can argue that of course nothing is proven until a legal verdict is in, but that you were expressing your concern about campus racism and violence as a general social problem. If it turns out that the story does have legs, you can claim that you were a supporter of the students’ fight for justice from the very beginning.

    The upside of such a twitter comment may turn out to be pretty high, whereas the downside if the story falls apart isn’t really much of anything.

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    There have been so many hate crimes hoaxes in the past 20 years or so, I literally have lost track of it

    There have been so many in the past year or two that I’ve lost track. I’d forgotten all about the whole string of fake hate notes left on receipts until a comment on another site reminded me of it.

    can get her students to read “The Little Boy Who Cried Wolf.” They might learn something.

    What would they learn? That progressives will eventually stop freaking out about them? They won’t learn that, because it isn’t true. They live for this kind of stuff. I think most progs actively fantasize about being there when some racist incident happens, so they can be the knight in shining armor. That’s what it means to be a prog, so as long as progs exist, there will be people to listen.

    They might start losing sympathy from iSteve commenters and ordinary people, but since when do our opinions matter? Hate crime hoaxes are like modern art. They’re not for ordinary people, with ordinary lives. They’re for people within the subculture.

  14. Yes, we shouldn’t forget that Hilary spent decades, presumably, listening to Bill (“I understand black people”) explaining the black mind to her. She’d know that victimhood is blacks’ only currency.

  15. I used a screen capture, but Hillary’s link in her tweet goes right to a breathless story about Albany. So the Tweet is directing her audience to get worked up over a hoax.

  16. Our ingenue Democratic frontrunner appears unaware of the concept of the campus hate hoax

    Hillary doesn’t worry one white whether a race story is true or not if she thinks it’ll motivate black voters. She lies constantly without the slightest qualm.

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    Don’t tell me that this kind of utterly unprincipled strategizing isn’t endemic on the right.

    It’s not, but the alt-right doesn’t usually go around congratulating themselves on what wonderful people they are either. I think the majority of them see themselves as realists, and think that it’s kind of stupid to refuse to use the tactics of your enemy if they’re going to use them on you.

    Having said that, I disagree with the idea of doing that to Sanders. He’s a tired old man with no shot at winning anyway. It’s best to just watch him lose. Otherwise, you look petty.

  18. But as Pres Reagan said, there’s no limit to how far you can go if you don’t care who gets credit.

    But you ARE worrying about who gets credit for an idea that, let’s face it, has occurred to countless people.

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  19. If the whole story goes bad, you can argue that of course nothing is proven until a legal verdict is in, but that you were expressing your concern about campus racism and violence as a general social problem.

    Kind of like the way Hillary says that every woman who reports a sexual assault should be believed, but when asked if that applied to Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey, and Paula Jones, said, “Well, I would say that everybody should be believed at first, until they are disbelieved based on evidence.”

    But of course the first two never pressed charges and Paula Jones got a $850,000 settlement.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/05/hillary-clinton-finally-asked-bills-accusers-believed-without-question/

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    We are NOT living in some sort of Pinker gilded-age in which all of the inherent nastiness of life has some how been purged by the ‘angels of our better nature’. In such a Pinker-world, one would be forgiven for giving the politics of the play-pen, ie tantrum throwing and histrionic fits over worthless trivia, the time of day as there would be nothing serious and meaty to get exercised about.
    But whilst the morons scream in the faces of silly, lily-livered milquetoast professors, and force them to perform all sorts of humiliating, self-abasing acrobatics for their sadistic pleasure, a real hot war is going on in Syria in which people are being killed – in some very horrible ways by some truly desperate men and REAL warriors, who would no doubt eat the play-pen folk for breakfast if the opportunity presented itself.

  21. …has occurred to countless people.

    Ben is the only other one I’ve seen mention it here. And there have been numerous “hate-crime hoax” stories posted.

    These “countless people” are silent, or elsewhere.

    We’re still waiting for one of these perpetrators to be charged with the same law they’re attempting to game.

  22. “Hillary doesn’t worry one white whether a race story is true or not if she thinks it’ll motivate black voters. She lies constantly without the slightest qualm.”

    To paraphrase what Mary McCarthy said about Lillian Hellmann: Every word Hillary Clinton says is a lie, including ‘and’ and ‘the.’

  23. Jeez. You’d think that in a vast continental empire of 320 million souls, someone somewhere is bound to be actually victimising some poor blacks?? Because all the evidence that’s been assembled under the BLM rubric tends to show them to be either:

    a) shameless liars
    b) mindless thugs or
    c) a + b

    They’re feckless grievance-mongers who’ll starve to death without the European society they seem determined to overthrow.

  24. Hillary Clinton does indeed seem to be cocooned. First, she identifies Angela Merkel as the female leader she most wants to emulate just at the time that the disastrous effects of Merkel’s refugee policy are becoming apparent. Now she signs on to a hate crime hoax after these hoaxes have become common campus events. Either her staff is not serving her well (I wonder how well Huma Abedin reasons), or she is rejecting good advice. Neither bode well for a Clinton presidency.

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  25. This is a KKK false flag. Remember those black guys dressed as KKK? Well this is KKK dressed as black people.

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  26. I don’t want the AA President of UAlbany to apologize, I want someone to ask him if he learned anything. Mostly because I think the response would be hysterical.

  27. If you look at the photos of the three “black” women who were arrested, only one of them actually looks like a black person. The other two look like Strom Thurmond’s daughters or what used to be called “high yaller”.

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    It’s worth it to revisit Hillary’s stupidest emails to remind yourself that she is not a particularly intelligent or sober woman, and is definitely propped up by many handlers. This is the woman who emailed someone to call someone to bring her an iced tea, a chain of events I’ve never even imagined. Her thought processes are like a Rube Goldberg machine.

    http://www.mrctv.org/blog/8-funniest-hillary-clinton-emails-released-state-department

  29. The way that reporter Vivian Yee pitches her NYT story is so ordinary and accepted that it hasn’t been discussed in this thread.

    So three black U. Albany students (Asha Burwell, Alexis Briggs and Ariel Agudio) falsely reported that they had been the victims of a racist hate crime perpetrated by white male U. Albany students on a bus. In actuality, they had assaulted (hit) a 19-year-old white woman passenger.

    The good that came out of the three student’s initial false report:

    * hundreds of people [were drawn] to a campus rally against racism… [It] had seemed to signal an awakening for a university that had watched the University of Missouri, Yale and other institutions grapple with protests over racial discrimination without quite erupting into its own. Young black women spoke of the subtle racism that stamped their daily lives. Students, faculty members and staff members of all races listened intently… “This time, it was more intense, because the climate on campus shifted to, ‘Oh my gosh, this happened to us,’” said [rally organizer and university employee Amberly] Carter…

    * [there was] an emotional response from the university’s president

    * Hillary Clinton… condemned the attack on Twitter

    Alas, there was negative fallout from the revelation of the hate hoax:

    * the latest iteration of a now-familiar debate about race on campus — the protests, the anguished soul-searching, the calls for greater faculty diversity and administrative changes — has metastasized into a controversy of an even more scorching kind: the allegation, the authorities said, was a lie.

    * [This turnabout was] tailor-made to delight conservative media outlets and to ignite social-media recriminations.

    * Many [students and activists in Albany and elsewhere] feared that the hard-won dialogue over racism on campus, the fragile moment of unity, would disappear under a wave of finger-pointing.

    But wait! The hoaxers may have been, technically speaking, liars — but their fabrications actually serve to underline some deeper truths:

    * “So do we now stop defending black women because of what happened?” said Amberly Carter

    * But whatever solidarity emerged has fractured over the charges against the young women, putting their supporters on the defensive. Behind the rush to declare the matter a hoax, they say, is an ingrained prejudice against taking the concerns of minority women seriously

    * Asst. Prof. Sami Schalk… was concerned that the women’s detractors had failed to consider the prejudice and “racialized language” the young women may have encountered on campus or before the bus ride that could have played a role in provoking the fight.

    Ever the optimist, reporter Yee notes that this latest collegiate hate-hoax can still advance the SJW agenda:

    * [Prof. Schalk said that] the events had already served a useful purpose: making white students aware of the subtle slights that students of color regularly encounter.

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  30. The problem with this whole episode is that it was captured by the 12 video cameras on the bus. This shows the attackers could give less of a shit about what they were doing. That and the fact that the police sat on the videos while the turmoil churned. I think expel the three girls and fire the U of Albany president. That seems fair to me.

  31. How is her rhetoric any different from Obama’s? Hillary is openly campaigning as Obama 2.0. The shameless race- and sex-baiting lies haven’t seemed to hurt Obama one bit. And since Hillary, like Barry, is a sociopath, what is there to stop her from continuing down this cynical path?

    Trump needs to start openly calling Hillary anti-white. If he can call for a wall and a Muzzie ban then he can point out anti-white bigotry, of which there is no shortage.

  32. Surveillance videos did not support the accounts of the young women, Ms. Burwell, Alexis Briggs and Ariel Agudio. Neither did the statements of multiple fellow passengers. Rather than being victims of a hate crime, the authorities said, the women had been “the aggressors,” hitting a 19-year-old white woman on the bus.

    Quite possibly, the hoaxers honestly believed they had been “attacked”. People who are emotionally high-strung, self-absorbed, and and not-very-bright tend to have trouble distinguishing between a verbal slight or a dirty look, and an actual punch in the face. That’s one reason that nearly everyone arrested for gratuitously picking a fight claims it was “self-defense”, even when confronted with video surveillance footage proving the opposite. Anyone who’s ever dealt with preschoolers knows how it works- “He started it!

    The larger issue underlying these hate hoaxes is that almost 90% of all “university” students in America today are nothing of the kind. They’re overgrown children at a taxpayer-subsidized sleep-away camp/networking junket. The refusal of “conservative” politicians to do anything constructive about this problem has done a heck of a lot to ensure continued liberal hegemony.

  33. Of course, Hillary can always play the “blame whitey” card by saying it’s all Bill Clinton’s fault. He has told Hillary so many lies over the years about his non-existent paramours that she, like a typical abused woman, can no longer tell the truth from lies. Just think of the power of that symbol. Not just a white man (we can forget that nonsense about him being the “first black President”), but a Southern white man. What instantly comes to mind today when you say “Southern white man”? The KKK, of course. Voila! The circle has been squared. Once you mention KKK, that automatically means it’s all Trump’s fault. Nothing could be clearer. I think the MSM and the neocons can be counted on to run with this story.

    P.S.–This message for some reason wound up as a response to SPMoore8, and it was intended to be a general response to Steve’s post.

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  34. That will be their defense that they were racially marginalized, therefore anything that they do to any innocent white person would be understandable. But this leaves open the revenge defense for people of all races accused of violent crime.

  35. If, as the meme goes, 60 is the new 50, 50 is the new 40, etc. Then 20 is the new 10. Given the recent events and hysterics on college campuses, I submit this probably isn’t far off the mark. As such, campuses, the media, and country at large are essentially becoming beholden to the whims, accusations, and tantrums of a bunch of pre-pubescent children.

  36. We’re still waiting for one of these perpetrators to be charged with the same law they’re attempting to game.

    Reg, I’ve been making the same point (though probably not as pithily) for a long time, though a search didn’t find anything – so perhaps I haven’t been making it often enough.

    We’re still waiting for one of these perpetrators to be charged with the same law they’re attempting to game.

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but this has been a thing in WN circles since forever. It was being bandied about when I first became aware of WNism, back in 2002. I’ve made the argument here, and at Amren, at least.

    I’m curious as to how you’re so confident that the idea’s pedigree traces back to you, even just at iSteve. The earliest comments I can find from you at this blog are from late 2007. The first hit for hate AND crime AND hoax on iSteve is from early 2004 (not that the idea couldn’t have been presented earlier than that). I doubt you can vouch for everything said in the comments in those three and a half years.

    Silver made the point that hate crimes should be punished, irrespective of motive, in this thread from 2011:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/thinking-about-%3Ccite%3Ehate%3C/cite%3E-crimes/#comment-339178

    But like I said, this stuff is old hat. I remember discussing it at Stormfront, and it’s been many years since I left a comment there, much less was a regular.

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  37. The video is viewable here. It clearly shows the three black girls attacking, but what you see is that they are whaling on a white guy, who is very restrained about the whole thing.

    And even more extensive coverage:

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  38. Exactly correct.

    There is nothing to be gained by looking at the facts.

    There is everything to be gained by adhering to orthodoxy.

    http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2014/07/racism-new-witchcraft.html

    http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2012/04/heretics-kulaks-and-witches-all-thats.html

  39. “* “So do we now stop defending black women because of what happened?” said Amberly Carter”

    Obviously not. Because, as Hillary Clinton has told us, the women must be believed, except for all those lying hussies who assert all those false sexual allegations against her husband. When you stop and think about it, somebody should construct a graph showing all the “false” charges made against Bill Clinton and all those racial hoaxes perpetrated by blacks.

  40. “…the hard-won dialogue over racism on campus, the fragile moment of unity…”

    Such unintentional hilarity! Which planet was this?!

  41. And even more extensive coverage:

    This particular video includes all the telephone conversations with the 911 dispatchers.

    Listening to those conversations, I was impressed mostly by the inability of the callers — one or more of the African-American women — to describe the alleged incident. Essentially, the story was that those women were “jumped” because they were Black. Beyond that core allegation, the incident is not described.

    The story lacks any sequence of events, any circumstances, any details about the participants.

    I am writing a blog about the Ferguson incident, and so I have read dozens of transcripts of interviews of witnesses. Some of the witnesses were police patrolmen and investigators, and their statements all are cogent. Most of the witnesses, however, were ordinary, random by-standers who happened to see some of the incident.

    Most of those by-stander witnesses were inarticulate. Their statements were ungrammatical, non-sequential, incoherent, confusing.

    Most of those Ferguson by-stander witnesses apparently had poor intelligence and education, and so it’s understandable that they had difficulty describing what they saw.

    The African-American women who called 911 about the Albany incident were university students. Nevertheless, they too were unable to describe the incident intelligently, even though they were central participants.

    Listening to the 911 calls on the above video, I noticed a couple of other aspects.

    First, the callers were hyper-critical of authorities. The callers were angry that police did not appear at the bus immediately to investigate and punish the racist villains.

    Second, the callers repeatedly threatened to inform the mass media if the 911 calls did not cause police to appear immediately to investigate and punish the racist villains.

    These two aspects of the Albany incident reminded me of the Ferguson incident, where too the neighborhood residents were hypercritical of police officials and investigators. The neighborhood residents saw their main defenders in the mass media.

  42. Re: “Sami Schalk, an assistant professor in the university’s English department, who has devoted class time since the bus episode to talking through the implications with her students…”

    Because, of course, devoting class time to English literature would be so déclassé.

  43. Years ago, when I still read Ann Althouse’s blog, she made the point that a hate-crime hoax was in fact a hate crime and should be punished as such, so obviously it’s been around.

    Also, it should embarrass someone to demand others acknowledge that he was the first person to think of an idea. Even if it were true, why is that important? What does the credit get you? Posting a comment on the internet is not like getting a research paper published in a scholarly journal. Granted, it’s an ego boost to get recognition from Steve, but it’s childish to ask for it.

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