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From CNN:

Hillary Clinton: Trump can’t ‘speak of protecting Syrian babies’ while pushing a ban of refugees

By Dan Merica, CNN
Updated 3:26 PM ET, Fri April 7, 2017

And from Vox:

The best way the US could help Syrians: open the borders

by Dylan [email protected]@vox.com Apr 6, 2017, 10:30pm EDT

In unrelated news, from ABC News:

At least 4 dead, 1 arrested in Stockholm ‘terrorist attack’

By MORGAN WINSOR LENA MASRI JULIA JACOBO
Apr 7, 2017, 4:46 PM ET

At least four people were killed and more than a dozen wounded after a stolen truck plowed into a crowded street in Stockholm, according to Swedish authorities.

Rebecca Grunditz of the Stockholm County Council told ABC News that a total of 15 people have been hospitalized, with nine in serious condition. Two children are among the wounded, Grunditz said.

The Swedish Security Service said it is treating the incident as a terrorist attack.

From The Independent (UK):

Stockholm attack: police arrest man ‘claiming responsibility’

Man detained after four killed as truck is driven into crowds in city centre
Ben Kentish @BenKentish 6 hours ago36 comments

Reports suggest the man in custody is a 39-year-old Uzbek national
A man has been arrested in connection with the Stockholm lorry attack, with reports suggesting he was detained in Marsta, around 25 miles north of the Swedish capital.

Swedish media are reporting that he admitted being involved in the attack and was captured wearing a balaclava, but officers do not believe he was the driver of the truck.

He is reported to be a 39-year-old Uzbek national whose registered address is in suburban Stockholm. The man is said to work in the building industry and have four children

Thank goodness that demographically vital Uzbekis are stepping up to do the job that Swedes just won’t do: have sex and children. Too bad about Swedes with children having to white flight to the exurbs to escape the new urban vibrancy …

, but acquaintances said he had never discussed politics or religion with them.

Some reports suggested he had previously posted pro-Isis propaganda on his Facebook page. But friends told Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet they did not believe he had anything to do with the attack.

You see, this just proves Hillary’s point: if Sweden doesn’t want random Uzbekis slaughtering Swedes in the heart of Stockholm, Sweden should have invaded Uzbekistan more often.

 
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  1. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Israel seems to be pretty secure.

    How about US treat Syria like it treats Israel? Support Syria’s right to be a Syrian state.
    And just as Israel’s ruthless means to maintain order has full US support, do the same for Syria.
    When Israel bombed Gaza, Congress said ‘we must stand with Israel’. Well, if Assad has to get tough with rebels(many of whom backed by foreigners), Congress should say ‘we should stand with Syria’.

    Also, how about 4 billion in aid to Syria every year.

    If it works for Israel, I think it will work for Syria too.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri

    "Support Syria’s right to be a Syrian state."
     
    One problem: Israeli state means Jewish ethnostate. Syrian state means ... Alawite dominated authoritarian state? Shia state? Sunni state? Maronite state? Greek Orthodox state? Secular multicultural state? Lee Kuan Yew-ish everybody-votes-their-race-or-religion state?

    I see your point, and I don't really disagree, but it is not a lack of US support that is keeping Syria down. Its real problem is that it is suffering from diversity.

    I hope that, when our diversity-spawned civil war comes, other nations will refrain from exploiting it, but I do not expect that they will nor do I believe we can claim a right to be free from such interventions.
    , @Unobserved Spectator
    Not in American Interests.
  2. Trump being so easily fooled by such propaganda will probably end up doing just that.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Somebody get some sad pictures of dead Swedish children to Trump before Ivanka bribes a maid for a bag of onions and a knife.
  3. That video opens with Hillary saying: “Look, Syria’s been a wicked problem for a very long time”.

    I remember it being relatively peaceful and prosperous for a Middle Eastern nation before Hillary started arming “rebels” to overthrow Assad.

    It takes some serious chutzpah to stand up there and pretend like she didn’t play a major role in the current state of Syria.

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe, Old fogey
  4. This is going to be endless now.

    #somuchwinning

  5. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    No condemnation by the US of nations like Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar that did most so send terrorists and arms to Syria to turn that nation into a mess.

    As for Hillary, no condemnation for what she did to Libya. Even Republicans focused on 4 dead Americans while remaining silent about much bigger crime on the entire nation.

    If we had WWII concept of justice, US deserves a 100 Hiroshimas since end of Cold War.
    But it has absolute power over the world, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    How about Hillary devoting the rest of her life to helping rebuild Libya?

  6. These films are more relevant than ever.

    The Bad do sleep well.

  7. @neutral
    Trump being so easily fooled by such propaganda will probably end up doing just that.

    Somebody get some sad pictures of dead Swedish children to Trump before Ivanka bribes a maid for a bag of onions and a knife.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Anonymous, I remember the photo of the drowned little Syrian boy who washed up on the beach in , I think, Italy. Picture was posted every where and it was sad. Remember the photos of the dead children squashed flat by the truck in France? No? I didn't see them either.
  8. I wonder how the liberation of babies in Yemen is going?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    El, haven't Madonna, Angelina and Sandra shown up to adopt them all?
  9. I don’t get this whole thing.

    Not that my vote personally put him over the top, but as an indicative thing he has lost my support.

    The Echo Chamber effect is a real thing, but no site I’ve looked at is in favor of this Syria adventure.

    Trump better hope he picks up a lot of Democratic support, because I think he just lost his base.

    Actions have consequences. He really had to have been aware as to how this would play out right?

    Just can’t see him recovering from this. He’s crossed a rubicon.

    Is it possible that he thinks he won the election on his star power and personality or something? As opposed to the content of what he campaigned on? And now he can just pivot willynilly and pick up support from whoever to do whatever, whenever?

    • Replies: @neutral

    I don’t get this whole thing.
     
    For me it seems simple enough, the deep state is real and it is really really REALLY deep. Your vote does not matter, a politician could openly state he is going to wage total war against the deep state during elections, after winning he would be attacking some place within months to do their bidding.

    I think this problem is a function of size, the size of the state and vested interests is so massive that it cannot be anything else, it has a taken a life of its own that no one can ever stop.
    , @Anonym
    Is it possible that he thinks he won the election on his star power and personality or something? As opposed to the content of what he campaigned on?

    Trump campaigned many times with speeches saying that the reason for his popularity was merely that he was their messenger, that it was not about him personally.


    “We’re going to make America great for all of our people, everybody. Everybody throughout our country. That includes the inner cities, that includes everybody. And we’re going to do a special job,” he said, assuring the audience again and again that he was merely the instrument of their political will. “You had much more to do with it than I did. I’m the messenger. I’m just a messenger.”
     
    http://observer.com/2017/01/in-last-speech-before-inauguration-trump-calls-himself-a-messenger-for-the-forgotten/

    There would be many more such quotes and video, if one cares to look.

    Nevertheless, although concerned I am going to give Trump the benefit of the doubt unless he actually starts a full scale war. What he has done may have the effect of preventing a war in North Korea, which would be a disaster but maybe preventing a greater disaster. He won't fool either Xi or Jong-Un but he may persuade Xi to force Jong-Un into line.

    Trump has stated that “if China is not going to solve North Korea, we will.” Even if the Syrian missile launch was a psy-op orchestrated by Trump himself, the message is the same. Xi will need to consider if he wants missiles flying everywhere as North Korea implodes with a war on North Korea. South Korea is going to get wrecked in such a conflagration, and is China's third largest trading partner.

    Maybe Kim can be taken out surgically, but my guess is that he's only going to live the life of a mole now, only seeing daylight on rare occasions.
    , @Old fogey
    I voted for Trump mainly because of his willingness to reframe policy with Russia and his stated disinterest in getting the country involved in further military adventures. I really didn't expect to be betrayed so easily, and so quickly. Sad.
    , @Hail

    no site I’ve looked at is in favor of this Syria adventure.
     
    By contrast:

    All MSM outlets, from FOX to MSNBC, are in favor, often wildly in favor.

  10. Didn’t the U.S. just kill 120 babies in an “accidental” airstrike in Mosul last week? Ooops… sorry. Now, back to killing Syrians because they kill babies…

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Dr., With modern intel it was inexcusable on our part, but , I hope not intentional.
  11. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    OT? Someone who doesn’t subscribe to Invite.

    Curious hoaxish hate crime, if you’re collecting these things: https://twitter.com/wcnc/status/850426768423104512

    Anti-Muslim anti-Indian refugees-are-taking-our-jobs note ostensibly sent on behalf of white Trump America as part of an arson attack on a Charlotte store.

    Suspect is black.

    Looks like a crack in the PoC coalition he tried to whitewash over.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.
  12. @Anon
    Israel seems to be pretty secure.

    How about US treat Syria like it treats Israel? Support Syria's right to be a Syrian state.
    And just as Israel's ruthless means to maintain order has full US support, do the same for Syria.
    When Israel bombed Gaza, Congress said 'we must stand with Israel'. Well, if Assad has to get tough with rebels(many of whom backed by foreigners), Congress should say 'we should stand with Syria'.

    Also, how about 4 billion in aid to Syria every year.

    If it works for Israel, I think it will work for Syria too.

    “Support Syria’s right to be a Syrian state.”

    One problem: Israeli state means Jewish ethnostate. Syrian state means … Alawite dominated authoritarian state? Shia state? Sunni state? Maronite state? Greek Orthodox state? Secular multicultural state? Lee Kuan Yew-ish everybody-votes-their-race-or-religion state?

    I see your point, and I don’t really disagree, but it is not a lack of US support that is keeping Syria down. Its real problem is that it is suffering from diversity.

    I hope that, when our diversity-spawned civil war comes, other nations will refrain from exploiting it, but I do not expect that they will nor do I believe we can claim a right to be free from such interventions.

    • Replies: @Anon
    "One problem: Israeli state means Jewish ethnostate. Syrian state means … Alawite dominated authoritarian state? Shia state? Sunni state? Maronite state? Greek Orthodox state? Secular multicultural state? Lee Kuan Yew-ish everybody-votes-their-race-or-religion state?"

    Israel has had a huge Palestinian population. And in West Bank, they outnumber Jews. So, why is there peace? Because Jews are given tons of aid. Also, Jews are allowed to crush Palestinians without opposition from US, Russia, China, EU, etc. There's only lipservice for Palestinian rights.

    Now, suppose there were heavy sanctions on Israel. Suppose no more US aid. Suppose a bunch of nations sent tons of bombs and guns into West Bank and Israel to arm Palestinian radicals. What would happen to that country? It would blow up.

    So, I agree that diversity is a problem in Syria, but it had been managed for a long time, especially as Alawite rule has been secular and tolerant. If anything, many rebels are trying to topple that very arrangement of Tolerance so as to grab total power. Tolerance has allowed minority groups to gain lots of power at the expense of Sunni Arabs.
    Diversity is like gunpowder. It is dangerous but won't blow up if someone doesn't throw a match at it. The West invaded the Middle East with torch of 'democracy' or 'human rights' or something, that set the powderkegs on fire and blew them up.

    Nations like Syria should never have come into existence in the first place. They are imperial creations, but they are what they are, and Syrians have to make the best of a bad situation. But things were made far worse when US looked the other way and even endorsed its allies sending in terrorists and arms to Syria. And it all comes to down Zionists hating Syria as part of the 'Shia Crescent'. That's about it. And of course, to destroy Syria to connect Qatar with Europe for gas to hurt Russia.

    This is why Russia has to wake up and shape up and build a real economy than just one based on natural resources. But too many drunkards there.

  13. Well OK, the quotation marks around “terrorist attack” and “claims responsibility” are dishonest but at least one of those headlines is perfectly truthful.
    Opening the borders will certainly help the Syrians (among others). That may actually be the first truthful thing I have ever seen from Vox, so I guess I have to take back some of what I’ve said about the Lugenpresse.

  14. “America’s vital interests” require continuing massive third world immigration and you better believe this stooge is going to give it to us . The POS was playing 3D chess while we were playing checkers . Now all that post election gloating seems like hubris.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    Holy crap this is worse than the Correct The Record shills during the election.

    Tiny Duck, come back!

    , @Unobserved Spectator
    Fact-free comment.
  15. • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    I was scrolling down and feeling really good...then I got to #6.

    This may have caused me physical damage. I might have to go see a urologist or something.

    Or a psychiatrist. I'm traumatized.
    , @a Newsreader
    Fuck me gently with a chainsaw.

    Hillary Clinton wouldn't be on a "most beautiful women" list of 1967, let alone 2017.

    Seriously, is this a joke list? That picture of Angelina Jolie looks like they caught her emerging from a submarine returning from patrolling the North Atlantic for 3 months.
    , @Anonymous Nephew
    Was that list published on April 1?

    Never mind #6, #2 and #11 are pretty scary. #11 looks like that particularly nasty woman manager in Accounts.

    I've just noticed #21 - fair play to the photographer and makeup artist. Aaargh ! #22 !

    You would not notice #30 or #18 in high school.

    I think it's the Top 30 consumers of makeup.
  16. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    "Support Syria’s right to be a Syrian state."
     
    One problem: Israeli state means Jewish ethnostate. Syrian state means ... Alawite dominated authoritarian state? Shia state? Sunni state? Maronite state? Greek Orthodox state? Secular multicultural state? Lee Kuan Yew-ish everybody-votes-their-race-or-religion state?

    I see your point, and I don't really disagree, but it is not a lack of US support that is keeping Syria down. Its real problem is that it is suffering from diversity.

    I hope that, when our diversity-spawned civil war comes, other nations will refrain from exploiting it, but I do not expect that they will nor do I believe we can claim a right to be free from such interventions.

    “One problem: Israeli state means Jewish ethnostate. Syrian state means … Alawite dominated authoritarian state? Shia state? Sunni state? Maronite state? Greek Orthodox state? Secular multicultural state? Lee Kuan Yew-ish everybody-votes-their-race-or-religion state?”

    Israel has had a huge Palestinian population. And in West Bank, they outnumber Jews. So, why is there peace? Because Jews are given tons of aid. Also, Jews are allowed to crush Palestinians without opposition from US, Russia, China, EU, etc. There’s only lipservice for Palestinian rights.

    Now, suppose there were heavy sanctions on Israel. Suppose no more US aid. Suppose a bunch of nations sent tons of bombs and guns into West Bank and Israel to arm Palestinian radicals. What would happen to that country? It would blow up.

    So, I agree that diversity is a problem in Syria, but it had been managed for a long time, especially as Alawite rule has been secular and tolerant. If anything, many rebels are trying to topple that very arrangement of Tolerance so as to grab total power. Tolerance has allowed minority groups to gain lots of power at the expense of Sunni Arabs.
    Diversity is like gunpowder. It is dangerous but won’t blow up if someone doesn’t throw a match at it. The West invaded the Middle East with torch of ‘democracy’ or ‘human rights’ or something, that set the powderkegs on fire and blew them up.

    Nations like Syria should never have come into existence in the first place. They are imperial creations, but they are what they are, and Syrians have to make the best of a bad situation. But things were made far worse when US looked the other way and even endorsed its allies sending in terrorists and arms to Syria. And it all comes to down Zionists hating Syria as part of the ‘Shia Crescent’. That’s about it. And of course, to destroy Syria to connect Qatar with Europe for gas to hurt Russia.

    This is why Russia has to wake up and shape up and build a real economy than just one based on natural resources. But too many drunkards there.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Again not really disagreeing, but the parallels between Syria and Israel are less exact than you suggest.

    The Palestinian minority is semi-disenfranchised, so politically they punch below their weight. As you say, their rights are only "lipservice". By contrast, if Syria ever had a reliable census, it is not clear that there would be any obvious majority as Jews are in Israel. Even if there were, Syria has been ruled ably by a ten-percent-ish minority for a long time.

    US aid to Israel is a few billion against a $300 billion Israeli GDP. If the aid disappears tomorrow, most of Israel won't notice. The aid is really just for US Congresscritters to virtue-signal Jewish donors that they love Jews and are willing to spend (other people's) money to prove it. It doesn't really make much difference to Israel. Not that I oppose ending it. It serves no purpose but embarrassing us.

    I've never heard the destroy-Syria-to-get-Gulf-gas-to-Europe thesis before, but I can't really buy it. If that pipeline route is so important, why not just bypass Syria by piping it under the Med? The bypass is less than a hundred miles, which is short by submarine pipeline standards (c.f. Langeled pipeline @ 725 miles of tumultuous North Sea). Surely that would be cheaper than wrecking a whole country then trying to install an indefinitely cooperative government then building a pipeline through a perpetual war zone.

    Otherwise, I agree with your comment.
  17. @Anonymous
    OT? Someone who doesn't subscribe to Invite.

    Curious hoaxish hate crime, if you're collecting these things: https://twitter.com/wcnc/status/850426768423104512

    Anti-Muslim anti-Indian refugees-are-taking-our-jobs note ostensibly sent on behalf of white Trump America as part of an arson attack on a Charlotte store.

    Suspect is black.

    Looks like a crack in the PoC coalition he tried to whitewash over.

    Thanks.

  18. @Sunbeam
    I don't get this whole thing.

    Not that my vote personally put him over the top, but as an indicative thing he has lost my support.

    The Echo Chamber effect is a real thing, but no site I've looked at is in favor of this Syria adventure.

    Trump better hope he picks up a lot of Democratic support, because I think he just lost his base.

    Actions have consequences. He really had to have been aware as to how this would play out right?

    Just can't see him recovering from this. He's crossed a rubicon.

    Is it possible that he thinks he won the election on his star power and personality or something? As opposed to the content of what he campaigned on? And now he can just pivot willynilly and pick up support from whoever to do whatever, whenever?

    I don’t get this whole thing.

    For me it seems simple enough, the deep state is real and it is really really REALLY deep. Your vote does not matter, a politician could openly state he is going to wage total war against the deep state during elections, after winning he would be attacking some place within months to do their bidding.

    I think this problem is a function of size, the size of the state and vested interests is so massive that it cannot be anything else, it has a taken a life of its own that no one can ever stop.

  19. In this and the recent Russian case the perpetrators have been Central Asian. Is radicalization now spreading to these Muslim groups who were generally regarded as not particularly observant or zealous? Also, why Sweden? It seems they’ve been more than generous in their treatment of Muslims.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri

    "why Sweden? It seems they’ve been more than generous in their treatment of Muslims."
     
    You must be new here.
    , @Pericles
    The Swedish printed news mainly look like LARPy propaganda. Dagens Nyheter:

    "You will never win." Minister of State Stefan Löfven saddened but determined.

     

    The question of what exactly is to be defended so fiercely is left unanswered, indeed unasked.

    You won't break the spirit of our capital. Friday April 7 will be remembered not only for the insane deed but also for its heroes.

     

    DN editorial. Thanks guys for that; according to your editorials last week that spirit is more third world immigration.

    I can't recall hearing of any heroic acts, I'm afraid, just that everyone there ran and hid and cried (according to TV interviews) until the cops and ambulances arrived in force. So I guess this is one of those participation medals.

    Also, even the Minister of State called it a terror attack, why can't you? Oh, actually you can. Another editorial:


    Ewa Stenberg: From now on the war against terror is on top of the agenda

     

    Let me guess, we have to fight them there so they can come over here.

    Somewhat strangely, the police was sent out in force all over the country for what to the bystander mostly looked like crowd control. Armed with MP5s for our security. No riots or other attacks reported as far as I can see.
  20. I don’t care why Trump did what he did which was betray his base . He’s dead to me . You can all forget about 2020 as well , we’ve barked and the birds have flown . By 2020 the internet will be well under control . You all might as well join the local VFW or Fish and Game Club because by then that will be the only place you will be able to hear any opposing views , at least until the SLPC declares them all to be hate groups .

  21. @Sunbeam
    I don't get this whole thing.

    Not that my vote personally put him over the top, but as an indicative thing he has lost my support.

    The Echo Chamber effect is a real thing, but no site I've looked at is in favor of this Syria adventure.

    Trump better hope he picks up a lot of Democratic support, because I think he just lost his base.

    Actions have consequences. He really had to have been aware as to how this would play out right?

    Just can't see him recovering from this. He's crossed a rubicon.

    Is it possible that he thinks he won the election on his star power and personality or something? As opposed to the content of what he campaigned on? And now he can just pivot willynilly and pick up support from whoever to do whatever, whenever?

    Is it possible that he thinks he won the election on his star power and personality or something? As opposed to the content of what he campaigned on?

    Trump campaigned many times with speeches saying that the reason for his popularity was merely that he was their messenger, that it was not about him personally.

    “We’re going to make America great for all of our people, everybody. Everybody throughout our country. That includes the inner cities, that includes everybody. And we’re going to do a special job,” he said, assuring the audience again and again that he was merely the instrument of their political will. “You had much more to do with it than I did. I’m the messenger. I’m just a messenger.”

    http://observer.com/2017/01/in-last-speech-before-inauguration-trump-calls-himself-a-messenger-for-the-forgotten/

    There would be many more such quotes and video, if one cares to look.

    Nevertheless, although concerned I am going to give Trump the benefit of the doubt unless he actually starts a full scale war. What he has done may have the effect of preventing a war in North Korea, which would be a disaster but maybe preventing a greater disaster. He won’t fool either Xi or Jong-Un but he may persuade Xi to force Jong-Un into line.

    Trump has stated that “if China is not going to solve North Korea, we will.” Even if the Syrian missile launch was a psy-op orchestrated by Trump himself, the message is the same. Xi will need to consider if he wants missiles flying everywhere as North Korea implodes with a war on North Korea. South Korea is going to get wrecked in such a conflagration, and is China’s third largest trading partner.

    Maybe Kim can be taken out surgically, but my guess is that he’s only going to live the life of a mole now, only seeing daylight on rare occasions.

  22. @Anonymous
    Somebody get some sad pictures of dead Swedish children to Trump before Ivanka bribes a maid for a bag of onions and a knife.

    Anonymous, I remember the photo of the drowned little Syrian boy who washed up on the beach in , I think, Italy. Picture was posted every where and it was sad. Remember the photos of the dead children squashed flat by the truck in France? No? I didn’t see them either.

  23. At some point there will be demands for stricter truck control so that trucks can’t be so easily used to kill people.

  24. @El Dato
    I wonder how the liberation of babies in Yemen is going?

    El, haven’t Madonna, Angelina and Sandra shown up to adopt them all?

  25. @Dr. X
    Didn't the U.S. just kill 120 babies in an "accidental" airstrike in Mosul last week? Ooops... sorry. Now, back to killing Syrians because they kill babies...

    Dr., With modern intel it was inexcusable on our part, but , I hope not intentional.

  26. @donut
    "America's vital interests" require continuing massive third world immigration and you better believe this stooge is going to give it to us . The POS was playing 3D chess while we were playing checkers . Now all that post election gloating seems like hubris.

    Holy crap this is worse than the Correct The Record shills during the election.

    Tiny Duck, come back!

    • Replies: @donut
    You and your friends are busy busy boys now right ?

    "It is increasingly clear to me that anti-war single issue voters aren’t that good of a fit with the alt-right because their vision lacks scope.

    Very true, but it seems that they are also most of the alt-right"

    "Trump received a rare opportunity to re-establish a certain red line, and he took it.

    "What’s good for nothing is Trump’s base losing its shit because of something Bill Clinton used to do to distract from sex scandals. You have the first immigration restrictionist president of the modern era and you’re ready to throw it all out because he made Putin and the Iranians a little upset today? Take a chill pill and wait to see where this goes."

    " 100 days in and he has…. signed an EO that was predictably blocked in court, and that’s it.

    ICE will tell you otherwise."

    "Who cares about a few missiles? Israel bombs Syria every now and again and nobody thinks it’s going to be a prelude to an endless occupation. A superpower like the US can drop cruise missiles on whoever it wants, and will occasionally do so. Stop pissing your pants and focus on immigration."

    Actually I care about my country contributing to the mayhem and bloodshed on the other side of the world . We , naive fools that we are , elected him to stop this insanity and the headlong rush to chaos that you seem to take in stride.

    There seems to be a certain cant to your posts .

  27. @Anon
    Israel seems to be pretty secure.

    How about US treat Syria like it treats Israel? Support Syria's right to be a Syrian state.
    And just as Israel's ruthless means to maintain order has full US support, do the same for Syria.
    When Israel bombed Gaza, Congress said 'we must stand with Israel'. Well, if Assad has to get tough with rebels(many of whom backed by foreigners), Congress should say 'we should stand with Syria'.

    Also, how about 4 billion in aid to Syria every year.

    If it works for Israel, I think it will work for Syria too.

    Not in American Interests.

  28. @donut
    "America's vital interests" require continuing massive third world immigration and you better believe this stooge is going to give it to us . The POS was playing 3D chess while we were playing checkers . Now all that post election gloating seems like hubris.

    Fact-free comment.

    • Replies: @donut
    Another troll crawling out from under his rock . Check his comment history . Will this be your next post ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iKuMVqht4U
  29. @IHTG
    Holy crap this is worse than the Correct The Record shills during the election.

    Tiny Duck, come back!

    You and your friends are busy busy boys now right ?

    “It is increasingly clear to me that anti-war single issue voters aren’t that good of a fit with the alt-right because their vision lacks scope.

    Very true, but it seems that they are also most of the alt-right”

    “Trump received a rare opportunity to re-establish a certain red line, and he took it.

    “What’s good for nothing is Trump’s base losing its shit because of something Bill Clinton used to do to distract from sex scandals. You have the first immigration restrictionist president of the modern era and you’re ready to throw it all out because he made Putin and the Iranians a little upset today? Take a chill pill and wait to see where this goes.”

    ” 100 days in and he has…. signed an EO that was predictably blocked in court, and that’s it.

    ICE will tell you otherwise.”

    “Who cares about a few missiles? Israel bombs Syria every now and again and nobody thinks it’s going to be a prelude to an endless occupation. A superpower like the US can drop cruise missiles on whoever it wants, and will occasionally do so. Stop pissing your pants and focus on immigration.”

    Actually I care about my country contributing to the mayhem and bloodshed on the other side of the world . We , naive fools that we are , elected him to stop this insanity and the headlong rush to chaos that you seem to take in stride.

    There seems to be a certain cant to your posts .

    • Replies: @IHTG
    Damn right.
  30. @Unobserved Spectator
    Fact-free comment.

    Another troll crawling out from under his rock . Check his comment history . Will this be your next post ?

  31. Steve,

    I basically just get my news via iSteve now. Please don’t post anything else about Hillary Clinton. It’s painful, and I wouldn’t have been aware without your post.

    Painful, so painful…

    • Replies: @donut
    "I basically just get my news via iSteve now." That is a mistake .
  32. The best way the US could help Syrians: open the borders

    This may very well be true… for Syrians.

    But it’s certainly not the best way to help US citizens.

  33. @anony-mouse
    She's trying to win this election:

    http://www.buzznet.com/2017/03/top-30-worlds-most-beautiful-women-of-2017/

    #6

    I was scrolling down and feeling really good…then I got to #6.

    This may have caused me physical damage. I might have to go see a urologist or something.

    Or a psychiatrist. I’m traumatized.

  34. @Anon
    "One problem: Israeli state means Jewish ethnostate. Syrian state means … Alawite dominated authoritarian state? Shia state? Sunni state? Maronite state? Greek Orthodox state? Secular multicultural state? Lee Kuan Yew-ish everybody-votes-their-race-or-religion state?"

    Israel has had a huge Palestinian population. And in West Bank, they outnumber Jews. So, why is there peace? Because Jews are given tons of aid. Also, Jews are allowed to crush Palestinians without opposition from US, Russia, China, EU, etc. There's only lipservice for Palestinian rights.

    Now, suppose there were heavy sanctions on Israel. Suppose no more US aid. Suppose a bunch of nations sent tons of bombs and guns into West Bank and Israel to arm Palestinian radicals. What would happen to that country? It would blow up.

    So, I agree that diversity is a problem in Syria, but it had been managed for a long time, especially as Alawite rule has been secular and tolerant. If anything, many rebels are trying to topple that very arrangement of Tolerance so as to grab total power. Tolerance has allowed minority groups to gain lots of power at the expense of Sunni Arabs.
    Diversity is like gunpowder. It is dangerous but won't blow up if someone doesn't throw a match at it. The West invaded the Middle East with torch of 'democracy' or 'human rights' or something, that set the powderkegs on fire and blew them up.

    Nations like Syria should never have come into existence in the first place. They are imperial creations, but they are what they are, and Syrians have to make the best of a bad situation. But things were made far worse when US looked the other way and even endorsed its allies sending in terrorists and arms to Syria. And it all comes to down Zionists hating Syria as part of the 'Shia Crescent'. That's about it. And of course, to destroy Syria to connect Qatar with Europe for gas to hurt Russia.

    This is why Russia has to wake up and shape up and build a real economy than just one based on natural resources. But too many drunkards there.

    Again not really disagreeing, but the parallels between Syria and Israel are less exact than you suggest.

    The Palestinian minority is semi-disenfranchised, so politically they punch below their weight. As you say, their rights are only “lipservice”. By contrast, if Syria ever had a reliable census, it is not clear that there would be any obvious majority as Jews are in Israel. Even if there were, Syria has been ruled ably by a ten-percent-ish minority for a long time.

    US aid to Israel is a few billion against a $300 billion Israeli GDP. If the aid disappears tomorrow, most of Israel won’t notice. The aid is really just for US Congresscritters to virtue-signal Jewish donors that they love Jews and are willing to spend (other people’s) money to prove it. It doesn’t really make much difference to Israel. Not that I oppose ending it. It serves no purpose but embarrassing us.

    I’ve never heard the destroy-Syria-to-get-Gulf-gas-to-Europe thesis before, but I can’t really buy it. If that pipeline route is so important, why not just bypass Syria by piping it under the Med? The bypass is less than a hundred miles, which is short by submarine pipeline standards (c.f. Langeled pipeline @ 725 miles of tumultuous North Sea). Surely that would be cheaper than wrecking a whole country then trying to install an indefinitely cooperative government then building a pipeline through a perpetual war zone.

    Otherwise, I agree with your comment.

  35. “The Swedish Security Service said it is treating the incident as a terrorist attack.”

    OMG that’s horrible! I’ll go and light a candle and filter my facebook photo with the Swedish flag. All better now, on to the next one.

  36. @Chrisnonymous
    Steve,

    I basically just get my news via iSteve now. Please don't post anything else about Hillary Clinton. It's painful, and I wouldn't have been aware without your post.

    Painful, so painful...

    “I basically just get my news via iSteve now.” That is a mistake .

  37. @anonymous
    In this and the recent Russian case the perpetrators have been Central Asian. Is radicalization now spreading to these Muslim groups who were generally regarded as not particularly observant or zealous? Also, why Sweden? It seems they've been more than generous in their treatment of Muslims.

    “why Sweden? It seems they’ve been more than generous in their treatment of Muslims.”

    You must be new here.

  38. @Sunbeam
    I don't get this whole thing.

    Not that my vote personally put him over the top, but as an indicative thing he has lost my support.

    The Echo Chamber effect is a real thing, but no site I've looked at is in favor of this Syria adventure.

    Trump better hope he picks up a lot of Democratic support, because I think he just lost his base.

    Actions have consequences. He really had to have been aware as to how this would play out right?

    Just can't see him recovering from this. He's crossed a rubicon.

    Is it possible that he thinks he won the election on his star power and personality or something? As opposed to the content of what he campaigned on? And now he can just pivot willynilly and pick up support from whoever to do whatever, whenever?

    I voted for Trump mainly because of his willingness to reframe policy with Russia and his stated disinterest in getting the country involved in further military adventures. I really didn’t expect to be betrayed so easily, and so quickly. Sad.

  39. “demographically vital Uzbekis”

    Speaking of demography, the word by which one refers to a person of a given country is a “demonyn”. For example, the demonyn for the country Turkey is “Turk”. The demonym for Uzbekistan is “Uzbek”, not “Uzbeki”. Here is a list of demonyms for the “-stan” countries (did I forget any?). Note that in most cases you just drop the “-(i)stan”.

    Pakistan: Pakistani
    Afghanistan: Afghan (an afghani is a unit of currency)
    Tajikistan: Tajik
    Kyrgyzstan: Kyrgyz
    Uzbekistan: Uzbek
    Turkmenistan: Turkmen
    Kazakhstan: Kazakh (sometimes spelled palindromically as Qazaq)
    Pedantistan: Pedant

  40. Study up on the diversity topics. The people call themselves Uzbeks, not Uzbekis. In the future Central Asian studies will be mandatory.

  41. @anony-mouse
    She's trying to win this election:

    http://www.buzznet.com/2017/03/top-30-worlds-most-beautiful-women-of-2017/

    #6

    Fuck me gently with a chainsaw.

    Hillary Clinton wouldn’t be on a “most beautiful women” list of 1967, let alone 2017.

    Seriously, is this a joke list? That picture of Angelina Jolie looks like they caught her emerging from a submarine returning from patrolling the North Atlantic for 3 months.

  42. @donut
    You and your friends are busy busy boys now right ?

    "It is increasingly clear to me that anti-war single issue voters aren’t that good of a fit with the alt-right because their vision lacks scope.

    Very true, but it seems that they are also most of the alt-right"

    "Trump received a rare opportunity to re-establish a certain red line, and he took it.

    "What’s good for nothing is Trump’s base losing its shit because of something Bill Clinton used to do to distract from sex scandals. You have the first immigration restrictionist president of the modern era and you’re ready to throw it all out because he made Putin and the Iranians a little upset today? Take a chill pill and wait to see where this goes."

    " 100 days in and he has…. signed an EO that was predictably blocked in court, and that’s it.

    ICE will tell you otherwise."

    "Who cares about a few missiles? Israel bombs Syria every now and again and nobody thinks it’s going to be a prelude to an endless occupation. A superpower like the US can drop cruise missiles on whoever it wants, and will occasionally do so. Stop pissing your pants and focus on immigration."

    Actually I care about my country contributing to the mayhem and bloodshed on the other side of the world . We , naive fools that we are , elected him to stop this insanity and the headlong rush to chaos that you seem to take in stride.

    There seems to be a certain cant to your posts .

    Damn right.

  43. @anonymous
    In this and the recent Russian case the perpetrators have been Central Asian. Is radicalization now spreading to these Muslim groups who were generally regarded as not particularly observant or zealous? Also, why Sweden? It seems they've been more than generous in their treatment of Muslims.

    The Swedish printed news mainly look like LARPy propaganda. Dagens Nyheter:

    “You will never win.” Minister of State Stefan Löfven saddened but determined.

    The question of what exactly is to be defended so fiercely is left unanswered, indeed unasked.

    You won’t break the spirit of our capital. Friday April 7 will be remembered not only for the insane deed but also for its heroes.

    DN editorial. Thanks guys for that; according to your editorials last week that spirit is more third world immigration.

    I can’t recall hearing of any heroic acts, I’m afraid, just that everyone there ran and hid and cried (according to TV interviews) until the cops and ambulances arrived in force. So I guess this is one of those participation medals.

    Also, even the Minister of State called it a terror attack, why can’t you? Oh, actually you can. Another editorial:

    Ewa Stenberg: From now on the war against terror is on top of the agenda

    Let me guess, we have to fight them there so they can come over here.

    Somewhat strangely, the police was sent out in force all over the country for what to the bystander mostly looked like crowd control. Armed with MP5s for our security. No riots or other attacks reported as far as I can see.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    The editor of Bonniers paper Dagens Industri (economics, yo) comments:

    But most important is the realization that society can combat terror. During the past two decades has been a long series of terrorist attacks averted. These bailouts would not have been possible without the help of advanced technology.

    It is this technology that the authorities must have access to. Whoever reflexively say no to the law enforcement authorities should be allowed to use technology that can stop terrorist plans must examine themselves.
     

    The takeaway is thus that what we need is a more intrusive surveillance state. It is also noted in passing that Sweden recently doubled the number of troops in northern Iraq, "a show of strength". In other words, fight them over there so we can bring them over here.

    At the same time, we should not be surprised. SÄPO [lit. "security police"] has indicated a heightened threat in terms of terrorism from extreme right wingers and Islamic groups.
     

    Yeah, those right wingers sure are a big problem. As on TV, the writer names this a "suspected terrorist attack". But then, who knows, it could have been a brake failure and I dunno, the truck driver found a gun in the street and mishandled it in a panic. Or maybe he was high and had a 'bad trip', eh eh? We just don't know. And maybe we never will.

    In conclusion, double down, always double down.

    Translated from here:
    http://www.di.se/opinion/tobias-wikstrom-den-svarta-fredagen/

    , @a Newsreader

    “You will never win.” Minister of State Stefan Löfven saddened but determined.
     
    The terrorists are quite clear what they want: unrestricted immigration to Western countries and submission of the local population to Islam.

    So these panjandrums are doing exactly what the terrorists want, while saying that if they don't keep doing this, the terrorists will win. It's bizarro world.
  44. @Pericles
    The Swedish printed news mainly look like LARPy propaganda. Dagens Nyheter:

    "You will never win." Minister of State Stefan Löfven saddened but determined.

     

    The question of what exactly is to be defended so fiercely is left unanswered, indeed unasked.

    You won't break the spirit of our capital. Friday April 7 will be remembered not only for the insane deed but also for its heroes.

     

    DN editorial. Thanks guys for that; according to your editorials last week that spirit is more third world immigration.

    I can't recall hearing of any heroic acts, I'm afraid, just that everyone there ran and hid and cried (according to TV interviews) until the cops and ambulances arrived in force. So I guess this is one of those participation medals.

    Also, even the Minister of State called it a terror attack, why can't you? Oh, actually you can. Another editorial:


    Ewa Stenberg: From now on the war against terror is on top of the agenda

     

    Let me guess, we have to fight them there so they can come over here.

    Somewhat strangely, the police was sent out in force all over the country for what to the bystander mostly looked like crowd control. Armed with MP5s for our security. No riots or other attacks reported as far as I can see.

    The editor of Bonniers paper Dagens Industri (economics, yo) comments:

    But most important is the realization that society can combat terror. During the past two decades has been a long series of terrorist attacks averted. These bailouts would not have been possible without the help of advanced technology.

    It is this technology that the authorities must have access to. Whoever reflexively say no to the law enforcement authorities should be allowed to use technology that can stop terrorist plans must examine themselves.

    The takeaway is thus that what we need is a more intrusive surveillance state. It is also noted in passing that Sweden recently doubled the number of troops in northern Iraq, “a show of strength”. In other words, fight them over there so we can bring them over here.

    At the same time, we should not be surprised. SÄPO [lit. “security police”] has indicated a heightened threat in terms of terrorism from extreme right wingers and Islamic groups.

    Yeah, those right wingers sure are a big problem. As on TV, the writer names this a “suspected terrorist attack”. But then, who knows, it could have been a brake failure and I dunno, the truck driver found a gun in the street and mishandled it in a panic. Or maybe he was high and had a ‘bad trip’, eh eh? We just don’t know. And maybe we never will.

    In conclusion, double down, always double down.

    Translated from here:
    http://www.di.se/opinion/tobias-wikstrom-den-svarta-fredagen/

  45. @Pericles
    The Swedish printed news mainly look like LARPy propaganda. Dagens Nyheter:

    "You will never win." Minister of State Stefan Löfven saddened but determined.

     

    The question of what exactly is to be defended so fiercely is left unanswered, indeed unasked.

    You won't break the spirit of our capital. Friday April 7 will be remembered not only for the insane deed but also for its heroes.

     

    DN editorial. Thanks guys for that; according to your editorials last week that spirit is more third world immigration.

    I can't recall hearing of any heroic acts, I'm afraid, just that everyone there ran and hid and cried (according to TV interviews) until the cops and ambulances arrived in force. So I guess this is one of those participation medals.

    Also, even the Minister of State called it a terror attack, why can't you? Oh, actually you can. Another editorial:


    Ewa Stenberg: From now on the war against terror is on top of the agenda

     

    Let me guess, we have to fight them there so they can come over here.

    Somewhat strangely, the police was sent out in force all over the country for what to the bystander mostly looked like crowd control. Armed with MP5s for our security. No riots or other attacks reported as far as I can see.

    “You will never win.” Minister of State Stefan Löfven saddened but determined.

    The terrorists are quite clear what they want: unrestricted immigration to Western countries and submission of the local population to Islam.

    So these panjandrums are doing exactly what the terrorists want, while saying that if they don’t keep doing this, the terrorists will win. It’s bizarro world.

  46. @Sunbeam
    I don't get this whole thing.

    Not that my vote personally put him over the top, but as an indicative thing he has lost my support.

    The Echo Chamber effect is a real thing, but no site I've looked at is in favor of this Syria adventure.

    Trump better hope he picks up a lot of Democratic support, because I think he just lost his base.

    Actions have consequences. He really had to have been aware as to how this would play out right?

    Just can't see him recovering from this. He's crossed a rubicon.

    Is it possible that he thinks he won the election on his star power and personality or something? As opposed to the content of what he campaigned on? And now he can just pivot willynilly and pick up support from whoever to do whatever, whenever?

    no site I’ve looked at is in favor of this Syria adventure.

    By contrast:

    All MSM outlets, from FOX to MSNBC, are in favor, often wildly in favor.

  47. @anony-mouse
    She's trying to win this election:

    http://www.buzznet.com/2017/03/top-30-worlds-most-beautiful-women-of-2017/

    #6

    Was that list published on April 1?

    Never mind #6, #2 and #11 are pretty scary. #11 looks like that particularly nasty woman manager in Accounts.

    I’ve just noticed #21 – fair play to the photographer and makeup artist. Aaargh ! #22 !

    You would not notice #30 or #18 in high school.

    I think it’s the Top 30 consumers of makeup.

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