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From the NYT:

Hillary Clinton Calls for ‘Intelligence Surge’ to Fight ISIS

By Amy Chozick, 3/23/16

PALO ALTO, Calif. — Hillary Clinton on Wednesday called for an “intelligence surge” to defeat the Islamic State and, in sometimes mocking tones, offered a sharp rebuke to her Republican presidential rivals who she said would endanger Americans and alienate allies.

Speaking to an audience at Stanford University that included Steve Jobs’s widow, Laurene Powell, and his son, Reed, Mrs. Clinton called on technology companies to work with the federal government to fight the Islamic State, which took credit for the terrorist attacks that killed dozens in Brussels on Tuesday.

… “That does mean working with the brightest minds here in Silicon Valley,” she said, “to more effectively track and analyze ISIS’s social media posts and map jihadist networks online.”

Never let a crisis goes to waste.

“When other candidates talk about building walls around America, I want to ask them how high does the wall have to be to keep the Internet out?” Mrs. Clinton said, referring to the proposal by Donald J. Trump, the leading Republican candidate, to erect a wall on the Mexican border. …

But Mrs. Clinton also reiterated her support for the thousands of Syrian refugees who have flooded into Europe fleeing violence. “This is a heartbreaking crisis,” Mrs. Clinton said, reiterating her call for a ceasefire in Syria and the creation of save havens. “It would be doubly cruel if ISIS can force people from their homes but also prevent them from ever finding new ones.”…

“One thing we know that does not work is offensive inflammatory rhetoric that demonizes all Muslims,” she said. “Demonizing Muslims also alienates partners and undermines moderates we need around the world in the fight against ISIS.”

“Having actually done this, I can tell you insulting allies and partners is not a good way to start,” Mrs. Clinton said.

A commenter suggests that Hillary’s grand strategies / knee jerk reactions comprise: Invade the world, invite the world, investigate the citizenry.

 
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  1. “When other candidates talk about building walls around America, I want to ask them how high does the wall have to be to keep the Internet out?”

    I like how obtuse opponents are by focusing on a wall as if that is the only component to fighting the problem. If the political will ever comes about to adequately secure the southern border with proper fencing, then there most surely will be the political will to allow agents to conduct frequent workplace raids and deport those who overstayed a visa. Additionally such policies would also include not allowing illegals to open bank accounts and be issued with photo IDs or driver’s licenses. The wall/fence is just one component. By itself it won’t be highly effective, but in combination with the above it should make a noticeable difference.

    • Replies: @asks for it
    "I like how obtuse opponents are by focusing on a wall as if that is the only component to fighting the problem. If the political will ever comes about to adequately secure the southern border with proper fencing, then there most surely will be the political will to allow agents to conduct frequent workplace raids and deport those who overstayed a visa. Additionally such policies would also include not allowing illegals to open bank accounts and be issued with photo IDs or driver’s licenses. The wall/fence is just one component. By itself it won’t be highly effective, but in combination with the above it should make a noticeable difference."


    The Wall connects thoughts to reality. Once one sees the sense of it, the thought propagates to other implementations. Ideas that there are things that differ in the world, and cell membranes. It counters the Floyd mush think.
    , @Prof. Woland
    I have noticed that many of the detractors of a border fence are also big detractors of the death penalty. Their reasoning is that we can build strong enough fences to keep convicted mass killers away from harming others so there is no need to put them down. It does not explain what can happen to prison guards, public lawyers and medical workers, and other inmates but they don't count.
  2. I could support the candidate who is not a chickenhawk on ISIS. But who would that be?

    • Replies: @Sean
    Destruction of ISIS is premature, and not possible anyway, because ISIS cannot be defeated without coming into conflict with Russia;the Russians and Assad understand who would be next and will not sit still while ISIS is removed from the equation. In future, as in their recent intervention, the Russians will roll back with a vengeance gains by FSA rebels that the US arms tries to use as a proxy against ISIS. No one is going to fight the Russians for control of Syria. ISIS will continue to exist there while the Assad regime's future is in doubt, which means the foreseeable future. Anyway, Syria is overwhelmingly Sunni and ISIS or something like it are not without support in Syria. ISIS is a threat to Clinton's neocon foreign policy, which concentrates on freezing the current Middle East as it is.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/is-trump-a-realist/
    Without coming up with a new foreign policy paradigm to replace the old one that has been dominating Washington since the end of the Cold War, expect the new president, whether it’s Trump or any of the other candidates, to maintain the status quo as he muddles through and reacts to crises abroad. President Trump may prove to be more pragmatic than a President Rubio in handling world affairs, but his definition of core U.S. national interests would not be much different.
     
    The US and Western nationalist interest is for a loosening up of the Middle East and a final resolution of the core problem there, which so closely relates to our own. Trump in the White house will see what is necessary: neither neocon or realist.
  3. So Hillary admits that she has insulted our allies and partners…am I hearing that right?

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    That was how I read it, too.
    , @Alfa158
    Yep, that's what she said in that sentence. I have to give her credit for acknowledging her past errors.
  4. Michael Savage made the point today that Italians in the New York city police department worked against the Mafia in order that they would not have to live in the corrupt society that they left behind in Italy. Monitoring Italian neighborhoods did not alienate the typical Italian immigrant, they favored it. Thus, very plausibly, Cruz’s policy of monitoring Muslim neighborhoods would not lead to increased jihadism by Muslim – Americans. It’s a policy that would be favored by everyone not politically motivated.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    Wrong.

    Italians came to America because it was a land of freedom, and they wanted to emigrate away from their former lives and start fresh with new opportunities.

    Muslims (not all, of course) come to America because it is a land of largesse, and they want to maintain their former lives but transplant them in a place with an easier lifestyle.
  5. “But Mrs. Clinton also reiterated her support for the thousands of Syrian refugees who have flooded into Europe fleeing violence. “This is a heartbreaking crisis,” Mrs. Clinton said”

    She should know, considering the fact that she, Kerry and Obama created the crisis by supporting terrorists in Syria in order to overthrow President Assad (to the cheers of course of the whole liberal interventionist/likudnik/neocon foreign policy establishment).

  6. But Mrs. Clinton also reiterated her support for the thousands of Syrian refugees who have flooded into Europe fleeing violence. “This is a heartbreaking crisis,” Mrs. Clinton said

    I think that’s the exact kind of a situation for which the phrase “crocodile tears” was invented. She worked hard to start that war, to deprive those people of their homes, to kill their loved ones.

    The Donald gives pithy epithets to his opponents. Jeb was low energy, Rubio was little Marco, Cruz is lying Ted. What will he call Hillary during the general? I see two possible ways to go – butch dyke and old hag – but I can’t predict the wording.

    • Replies: @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    "What will he call Hillary during the general?"
    No stamina.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Scott Adams says he is focusing on her age, health, and infirmity. I suspect he has something more damaging he can pull out of his hat too.

    I agree with completely about the crocodile tears.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    I see two possible ways to go – butch dyke and old hag

    Those are the two worst possible directions. He'll do better.
    , @Jefferson
    "The Donald gives pithy epithets to his opponents. Jeb was low energy, Rubio was little Marco, Cruz is lying Ted. What will he call Hillary during the general? I see two possible ways to go – butch dyke and old hag – but I can’t predict the wording."

    Wall Street's Puppet, Hillary Cankles, Hildabeast, Coughin Hillary, The Establishment's Puppet, The Benghazi Criminal, etc.
  7. Invade the world, invite the world, investigate the citizenry?

    It could use some work, I admit.

  8. AP reports from Europe:

    A senior Iraqi intelligence official who was not authorized to speak publicly said people from the cell that carried out the Paris attacks are scattered across Germany, Britain, Italy, Denmark and Sweden. Recently, a new group crossed in from Turkey, the official said.

    On Wednesday, Turkish authorities said one of the Brussels suicide attackers, Ibrahim El Bakraoui, was caught last June near the Syrian border and deported to the Netherlands, with Ankara warning Dutch and Belgian officials that he was a “foreign terrorist fighter.” But he was released from Dutch custody due to lack of evidence of involvement in extremism.

    I thought Northwestern Europeans were supposed to be intelligent creatures, somewhat above average. Yet, the stupidity on display here can only be described as magnificent. It’s beyond reproach? Is shame so ingrained in the Nordic soul that it can be triggered amid rampant destruction from a foreign source, evened welcomed?

    May the gods have mercy on their souls.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "I thought Northwestern Europeans were supposed to be intelligent creatures, somewhat above average. Yet, the stupidity on display here can only be described as magnificent. It’s beyond reproach? Is shame so ingrained in the Nordic soul that it can be triggered amid rampant destruction from a foreign source, evened welcomed?

    May the gods have mercy on their souls."

    Nordic people are known for being book smart, but when it comes to street smarts most Nordic folks might as well have Down syndrome.

    , @Chrisnonymous

    May the gods have mercy on their souls.
     
    Not much chance of that. They forsook the one that kept them safe at Lepanto, etc, and the older ones were proud and belligerent and wouldn't suffer fools.
  9. @Buffalo Joe
    So Hillary admits that she has insulted our allies and partners...am I hearing that right?

    That was how I read it, too.

  10. No matter how badly the globalists misgovern the rest of us, Palo Alto can count on being inside a Green Zone. In fact, if Kagan and the other neocons do go over to Hillary’s team they should rename themselves the Green Zone Party.

    • Replies: @rod1963
    The Muzzies are just getting warmed up, if you look at their attacks, they are clearly evolving in terms of sophistication and targeting. This ought to scare the bright green piss out of folks.

    Several years from now I suspect they will move onto infrastructure targets which will give them a massive return on investment. Read Matt Bracken's latest article to get a feel.

    http://gatesofvienna.net/2015/11/tet-take-two-islams-2016-european-offensive/

    Even if it's not the scale he predicts, say they just take out the power grid that keeps the lights on and water flowing in Manhattan or D.C. by blowing up the critical transformers that keep the lights out for weeks or months. There goes the stock market and trillions in stock value, not to mention making these places unlivable.

    Remember how they panicked over the Beltway Sniper(who were Muslims)? This would a 100x worse.

    Modern civilization is very fragile, especially the cities.

    Palo Alto, Greenwich, Aspen, Telluride won't be safe, it's just a fat juicy target loaded with men-boy geeks living in palatial estates guarded by rent-a-cops. Those palaces just say "hit me".
  11. @Buffalo Joe
    So Hillary admits that she has insulted our allies and partners...am I hearing that right?

    Yep, that’s what she said in that sentence. I have to give her credit for acknowledging her past errors.

  12. Hillary’s actions in Libya and Syria played a big role in birthing ISIS.

    • Replies: @jJay

    Hillary’s actions in Libya and Syria played a big role in birthing ISIS.
     
    Or it could be that there has been a fundamentalist spiritual awakening among Muslims that has nothing much to do with us.
    , @Connecticut Famer
    Not to mention her "yes" vote on whether US forces should be engaged in Iraq. Not to mention her support for the bombing of the former Yugoslavia into kingdom come during the administration of the Husband of Record.
  13. She called for a cease fire. Know when those happen? When one side knows they risk defeat and the other side sees some advantage to a pause that refreshes.

  14. Better that a thousand innocent citizens should have their phone calls and emails monitored than that a single would-be immigrant have his visa denied.

  15. Not that long ago I saw this “national security expert” Michael Weiss on CNN saying that ISIS wants a clash of civilizations, that when they hear Orban saying that Hungary is a Christian country, they’re getting what they want.

    So if nationalism causes terrorism, then we have a simple experiment. Who will have more terrorism over the next 10-20 years, countries like Belgium and France or those like Hungary and Poland?

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    Yeah. If they're trying to pick a fight, then acquiescing isn't going to have any impact.

    It's like a bully who's trying to get you to say something by punching you in the arm. "Say it!" Punch. "Say the words!" Punch. If you refuse, they don't give up, they keep punching you.
  16. She calls Syria a “heartbreaking crisis”. It’s difficult to know how to respond to such conscience-less dishonesty. Who was it that decided to fuel the Syrian conflict in the first place? Truly sick.

  17. @Glossy
    But Mrs. Clinton also reiterated her support for the thousands of Syrian refugees who have flooded into Europe fleeing violence. “This is a heartbreaking crisis,” Mrs. Clinton said

    I think that's the exact kind of a situation for which the phrase "crocodile tears" was invented. She worked hard to start that war, to deprive those people of their homes, to kill their loved ones.

    The Donald gives pithy epithets to his opponents. Jeb was low energy, Rubio was little Marco, Cruz is lying Ted. What will he call Hillary during the general? I see two possible ways to go - butch dyke and old hag - but I can't predict the wording.

    “What will he call Hillary during the general?”
    No stamina.

  18. …how high does the wall have to be to keep the Internet out?”

    The Internet can’t plant a bomb in an airport or shoot into a crowd of people at a concert. Muslims can rant for all they’re worth on Facebook if they’re at a safe distance from us in Syria or Morocco.

    She’s again illustrating the choice we have when it comes to immigration. You can have tight controls of prospective immigrants, with intrusive probing of their private lives to see if they’re suitable candidates. You can also have blanket bans on races or religions who will never fit in. This will allow you to have a society with minimal surveillance of the citizens by the government (the libertarians’ ideal). On the other hand, you can have a laissez-faire immigration system combined with a police state to keep track of all the dangerous people (or their descendants) whose presence is the fruit your open-borders policy. You have to pick one or other of these combinations.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    Terrorist attacks in the west are down in the roundoff error in mortality statistics, and that's not likely to change anytime soon. The Paris and Brussels attackers were a few guys with guns and bombs, and their ability to do damage was quite limited. Those attacks are nasty, and we surely want to stop them if we can, but their impact is mainly that they're spectacular and horrible and mediagenic.

    Imposing massive surveillance on the citizens was a goal long before ISIS, and long before 9/11. The terrorist attacks make it easier to get the citizens and politicians to go along.
    , @Olorin
    And what makes you think that Hillary and her handlers aren't using this crisis to do what they've always dreamed of: the global panopticon borg matrix hive in which individual liberties are granted by the state and its minions?
    , @Tex
    Mohammedan street crime is increasingly impacting formerly low-crime European countries. Get tough on crime initiatives are largely driven by NAM crime. I guess the short version is diversity or freedom, pick one.
  19. There’s a certain logic to this madness.

    Let’s say you’re a domestic company that receives nationals security-related contracts from the federal govt. The more Muslims enter the US, the more terrorism occurs. The more terrorism occurs, the more justification there is for your services.

    Many of these contractors tend to donate very generously to our politicians, such as Hillary. They donate to political campaigns and also offer lucrative lobbyist jobs to retired politicians and military personnel. If she proposes more surveillance and more Muslim immigration, that benefits her contributors.

    There’s another group of people who benefit. That group would be the “Deep State.” The more terrorism occurs in the US, the more of need there is for their. They’re invested in maintaining the system.

    Of course, the system might have opponents. Let’s say you are an opponent. You’d be a very popular target for surveillance by a security contractor or intelligence operatives. If they found anything incriminating, they could easily blackmail you. Knowing Hillary, I bet there are lot of powerful people with a lot of dirt on her.

    It’s not that mysterious why so many politicians, media figures, and other powerful individuals are so invested in Muslim immigration and domestic surveillance. It’s also not mysterious why they’re so invested in continued conflict overseas. This is why the “War on Terror” can never be won.

  20. Every day that woman gives me no end of pleasure from my having taken to calling her Hillwhorey.

  21. Bush made a similar argument years ago during the start of the Iraq War.

    “We fight them over there or we fight them over here.”

    • Replies: @rod1963
    And we see how well that worked out. Also Bush was a open borders/globalist type like his old man just like the Clintons are and hence the darlings of the media. That has never met a open borders/globalist type they didn't like.
  22. @JohnnyWalker123
    Bush made a similar argument years ago during the start of the Iraq War.

    "We fight them over there or we fight them over here."

    And we see how well that worked out. Also Bush was a open borders/globalist type like his old man just like the Clintons are and hence the darlings of the media. That has never met a open borders/globalist type they didn’t like.

  23. @iSteveFan

    “When other candidates talk about building walls around America, I want to ask them how high does the wall have to be to keep the Internet out?”
     
    I like how obtuse opponents are by focusing on a wall as if that is the only component to fighting the problem. If the political will ever comes about to adequately secure the southern border with proper fencing, then there most surely will be the political will to allow agents to conduct frequent workplace raids and deport those who overstayed a visa. Additionally such policies would also include not allowing illegals to open bank accounts and be issued with photo IDs or driver's licenses. The wall/fence is just one component. By itself it won't be highly effective, but in combination with the above it should make a noticeable difference.

    “I like how obtuse opponents are by focusing on a wall as if that is the only component to fighting the problem. If the political will ever comes about to adequately secure the southern border with proper fencing, then there most surely will be the political will to allow agents to conduct frequent workplace raids and deport those who overstayed a visa. Additionally such policies would also include not allowing illegals to open bank accounts and be issued with photo IDs or driver’s licenses. The wall/fence is just one component. By itself it won’t be highly effective, but in combination with the above it should make a noticeable difference.”

    The Wall connects thoughts to reality. Once one sees the sense of it, the thought propagates to other implementations. Ideas that there are things that differ in the world, and cell membranes. It counters the Floyd mush think.

  24. @Cagey Beast
    No matter how badly the globalists misgovern the rest of us, Palo Alto can count on being inside a Green Zone. In fact, if Kagan and the other neocons do go over to Hillary's team they should rename themselves the Green Zone Party.

    The Muzzies are just getting warmed up, if you look at their attacks, they are clearly evolving in terms of sophistication and targeting. This ought to scare the bright green piss out of folks.

    Several years from now I suspect they will move onto infrastructure targets which will give them a massive return on investment. Read Matt Bracken’s latest article to get a feel.

    http://gatesofvienna.net/2015/11/tet-take-two-islams-2016-european-offensive/

    Even if it’s not the scale he predicts, say they just take out the power grid that keeps the lights on and water flowing in Manhattan or D.C. by blowing up the critical transformers that keep the lights out for weeks or months. There goes the stock market and trillions in stock value, not to mention making these places unlivable.

    Remember how they panicked over the Beltway Sniper(who were Muslims)? This would a 100x worse.

    Modern civilization is very fragile, especially the cities.

    Palo Alto, Greenwich, Aspen, Telluride won’t be safe, it’s just a fat juicy target loaded with men-boy geeks living in palatial estates guarded by rent-a-cops. Those palaces just say “hit me”.

    • Replies: @Anon
    The average Islamic terrorist doesn't hit power girds because he doesn't know anything about power grids. The average American doesn't know anything about power grids either, because he was never taught anything about them in high school or college, and it's ditto for Muslims. In the natives countries of both these guys they're maintained by specialists who'd rather be eating than out of a job after blowing them up.

    Also, terrorists don't hit power grids because grids are a bunch of wires that don't scream for their loved ones when they're hit. When your power goes off, you're annoyed and inconvenienced, but you're not terrified. Terrorists want to destroy people, not mechanical parts.
    , @anon-r-us
    I'm of the opinion that if they really wanted to inflict serious damage they'd hit soft large targets in Flyover Country, racking up some numbers and really terrorizing the populace most of whose immediate reaction to 9/11 was, " It's horrible, but I'm glad it couldn't happen here".

    Then again, regardless of target choice, there has to be on some level the thought in the back of their minds that if they killed ENOUGH Americans, either the incumbent president would go nuts and "turn the keys" -launch a thermonuclear ICBM strike-or would be replaced by someone who would.
  25. @Hubbub
    AP reports from Europe:

    A senior Iraqi intelligence official who was not authorized to speak publicly said people from the cell that carried out the Paris attacks are scattered across Germany, Britain, Italy, Denmark and Sweden. Recently, a new group crossed in from Turkey, the official said.

    On Wednesday, Turkish authorities said one of the Brussels suicide attackers, Ibrahim El Bakraoui, was caught last June near the Syrian border and deported to the Netherlands, with Ankara warning Dutch and Belgian officials that he was a "foreign terrorist fighter." But he was released from Dutch custody due to lack of evidence of involvement in extremism.
     
    I thought Northwestern Europeans were supposed to be intelligent creatures, somewhat above average. Yet, the stupidity on display here can only be described as magnificent. It's beyond reproach? Is shame so ingrained in the Nordic soul that it can be triggered amid rampant destruction from a foreign source, evened welcomed?

    May the gods have mercy on their souls.

    “I thought Northwestern Europeans were supposed to be intelligent creatures, somewhat above average. Yet, the stupidity on display here can only be described as magnificent. It’s beyond reproach? Is shame so ingrained in the Nordic soul that it can be triggered amid rampant destruction from a foreign source, evened welcomed?

    May the gods have mercy on their souls.”

    Nordic people are known for being book smart, but when it comes to street smarts most Nordic folks might as well have Down syndrome.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Nordic people are known for being book smart, but when it comes to street smarts most Nordic folks might as well have Down syndrome.

    Actually, they call it "Stockholm Syndrome."
    , @Brutusale
    They've been so long without the virus (minorities) they've developed no antibodies.
  26. @Robert Hume
    Michael Savage made the point today that Italians in the New York city police department worked against the Mafia in order that they would not have to live in the corrupt society that they left behind in Italy. Monitoring Italian neighborhoods did not alienate the typical Italian immigrant, they favored it. Thus, very plausibly, Cruz's policy of monitoring Muslim neighborhoods would not lead to increased jihadism by Muslim – Americans. It's a policy that would be favored by everyone not politically motivated.

    Wrong.

    Italians came to America because it was a land of freedom, and they wanted to emigrate away from their former lives and start fresh with new opportunities.

    Muslims (not all, of course) come to America because it is a land of largesse, and they want to maintain their former lives but transplant them in a place with an easier lifestyle.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    You say he's wrong, but you elide his point about Italian-American cops (and prosecutors, for that matter: Rudy Giuliani was a scourge of the mafia as a US Attorney).

    Mario Puzo made a similar point in the Godfather: Michael goes to Sicily after killing the mafia don and his corrupt cop ally, and he gets to see what a place looks like when it's all mafia. Aside from the obvious problem of constantly risking death from vendettas, there is the corruption. Michael doesn't let the local doctor fix his busted nose because he figures he's not really qualified - some Mafioso got him the gig.
  27. @fnn
    Hillary's actions in Libya and Syria played a big role in birthing ISIS.

    Hillary’s actions in Libya and Syria played a big role in birthing ISIS.

    Or it could be that there has been a fundamentalist spiritual awakening among Muslims that has nothing much to do with us.

  28. @Glossy
    But Mrs. Clinton also reiterated her support for the thousands of Syrian refugees who have flooded into Europe fleeing violence. “This is a heartbreaking crisis,” Mrs. Clinton said

    I think that's the exact kind of a situation for which the phrase "crocodile tears" was invented. She worked hard to start that war, to deprive those people of their homes, to kill their loved ones.

    The Donald gives pithy epithets to his opponents. Jeb was low energy, Rubio was little Marco, Cruz is lying Ted. What will he call Hillary during the general? I see two possible ways to go - butch dyke and old hag - but I can't predict the wording.

    Scott Adams says he is focusing on her age, health, and infirmity. I suspect he has something more damaging he can pull out of his hat too.

    I agree with completely about the crocodile tears.

  29. Now walls but a total surveillance. It makes a perfect sense. This is the NWO in its essence.

  30. @Hubbub
    AP reports from Europe:

    A senior Iraqi intelligence official who was not authorized to speak publicly said people from the cell that carried out the Paris attacks are scattered across Germany, Britain, Italy, Denmark and Sweden. Recently, a new group crossed in from Turkey, the official said.

    On Wednesday, Turkish authorities said one of the Brussels suicide attackers, Ibrahim El Bakraoui, was caught last June near the Syrian border and deported to the Netherlands, with Ankara warning Dutch and Belgian officials that he was a "foreign terrorist fighter." But he was released from Dutch custody due to lack of evidence of involvement in extremism.
     
    I thought Northwestern Europeans were supposed to be intelligent creatures, somewhat above average. Yet, the stupidity on display here can only be described as magnificent. It's beyond reproach? Is shame so ingrained in the Nordic soul that it can be triggered amid rampant destruction from a foreign source, evened welcomed?

    May the gods have mercy on their souls.

    May the gods have mercy on their souls.

    Not much chance of that. They forsook the one that kept them safe at Lepanto, etc, and the older ones were proud and belligerent and wouldn’t suffer fools.

  31. “We fight them over there or we fight them over here.”

    Or both!

  32. @Hepp
    Not that long ago I saw this "national security expert" Michael Weiss on CNN saying that ISIS wants a clash of civilizations, that when they hear Orban saying that Hungary is a Christian country, they're getting what they want.

    So if nationalism causes terrorism, then we have a simple experiment. Who will have more terrorism over the next 10-20 years, countries like Belgium and France or those like Hungary and Poland?

    Yeah. If they’re trying to pick a fight, then acquiescing isn’t going to have any impact.

    It’s like a bully who’s trying to get you to say something by punching you in the arm. “Say it!” Punch. “Say the words!” Punch. If you refuse, they don’t give up, they keep punching you.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    So, how did ISIS get to be a problem, again? How did the last several times we intervened in that region work out for us?
  33. @Chrisnonymous
    Yeah. If they're trying to pick a fight, then acquiescing isn't going to have any impact.

    It's like a bully who's trying to get you to say something by punching you in the arm. "Say it!" Punch. "Say the words!" Punch. If you refuse, they don't give up, they keep punching you.

    So, how did ISIS get to be a problem, again? How did the last several times we intervened in that region work out for us?

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    I think you misunderstand me. I'm speaking in the context of immigration, not war. By "not acquiescing" I am referring to immigration.
  34. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    • Replies: @Steve from Detroit
    How truly sickening, and a complete failure on so many levels.

    Police caught Razo after a brief shootout

    I would think this guy is the perfect example of someone who the Police would not be taking into custody, and a few more rounds might have done the trick.

    Lastly, this guy is Trump's Willie Horton, served on a silver platter.
  35. @Rob McX

    ...how high does the wall have to be to keep the Internet out?”
     
    The Internet can't plant a bomb in an airport or shoot into a crowd of people at a concert. Muslims can rant for all they're worth on Facebook if they're at a safe distance from us in Syria or Morocco.

    She's again illustrating the choice we have when it comes to immigration. You can have tight controls of prospective immigrants, with intrusive probing of their private lives to see if they're suitable candidates. You can also have blanket bans on races or religions who will never fit in. This will allow you to have a society with minimal surveillance of the citizens by the government (the libertarians' ideal). On the other hand, you can have a laissez-faire immigration system combined with a police state to keep track of all the dangerous people (or their descendants) whose presence is the fruit your open-borders policy. You have to pick one or other of these combinations.

    Terrorist attacks in the west are down in the roundoff error in mortality statistics, and that’s not likely to change anytime soon. The Paris and Brussels attackers were a few guys with guns and bombs, and their ability to do damage was quite limited. Those attacks are nasty, and we surely want to stop them if we can, but their impact is mainly that they’re spectacular and horrible and mediagenic.

    Imposing massive surveillance on the citizens was a goal long before ISIS, and long before 9/11. The terrorist attacks make it easier to get the citizens and politicians to go along.

    • Replies: @Rob McX

    Imposing massive surveillance on the citizens was a goal long before ISIS, and long before 9/11. The terrorist attacks make it easier to get the citizens and politicians to go along.
     
    I agree. But I wish they hadn't decided to import the Third World as a pretext for controlling their own citizens. If I'm going to live in a police state, I'd prefer it to be a homogeneous white one, like the USSR or Nazi Germany. Immigration is all but irreversible, for one thing.
    , @unpc downunder
    Terrorist attacks are down for the same reason violent crime stats are down - western countries are spending a massive amount of money on resources and modern technology to keep them down.

    As Rod 1963 points out, the terrorists may well change tack and switch to infrastructure targets. Economic sabotage doesn't require elaborate planning, and the terrorists don't have to commit suicide in the process. How much effort and coordination does it take to park an old car in rush hour traffic, or toss a home made bomb into an suburban electric sub station?
  36. @Glossy
    But Mrs. Clinton also reiterated her support for the thousands of Syrian refugees who have flooded into Europe fleeing violence. “This is a heartbreaking crisis,” Mrs. Clinton said

    I think that's the exact kind of a situation for which the phrase "crocodile tears" was invented. She worked hard to start that war, to deprive those people of their homes, to kill their loved ones.

    The Donald gives pithy epithets to his opponents. Jeb was low energy, Rubio was little Marco, Cruz is lying Ted. What will he call Hillary during the general? I see two possible ways to go - butch dyke and old hag - but I can't predict the wording.

    I see two possible ways to go – butch dyke and old hag

    Those are the two worst possible directions. He’ll do better.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    I see two possible ways to go – butch dyke and old hag

    Those are the two worst possible directions. He’ll do better.
     
    Yes, but not much.
  37. @Jefferson
    "I thought Northwestern Europeans were supposed to be intelligent creatures, somewhat above average. Yet, the stupidity on display here can only be described as magnificent. It’s beyond reproach? Is shame so ingrained in the Nordic soul that it can be triggered amid rampant destruction from a foreign source, evened welcomed?

    May the gods have mercy on their souls."

    Nordic people are known for being book smart, but when it comes to street smarts most Nordic folks might as well have Down syndrome.

    Nordic people are known for being book smart, but when it comes to street smarts most Nordic folks might as well have Down syndrome.

    Actually, they call it “Stockholm Syndrome.”

  38. Wall to keep the Internet out? Actually the Internet is full of walls. We call them firewalls, and we even have demilitarised zones. But M Clinton is no expert on computer security…

    And isn’t the point of the Internet to allow virtual travel and migration? Remember the old Windows slogan ‘Where do you want to go today?’ I sometime get the notion that I would like to live in Paris, but it’s not practical. (Have you seen the rents? And the French in meatspace are not that pleasant.) Easily solved: I can wander down the Champs Elysee on Google street view, browse paintings in the Louvre, and download a recipe for cassoulet without leaving my house, much less my country.

    So I for one welcome our cyber visitors.

  39. A bit OT, but has anyone here watched Trump’s recent speech to AIPAC in full? The commentariat could probably pull dozens of good posts and clips from this thing, ranging in topics from alpha maleism to ethnic enthusiasm to who knows what.

  40. “60 Minutes” filming a report on MENA migrants in Sweden is attacked, crew members punched, rocks thrown, cameraman struck by car. Will liberal attitudes change? Stay tuned.

    • Replies: @RamonaQ
    Wow these people are moronic. Why do they keep talking to the people who are throwing stuff at them?? How are we raising people of such utter stupidity
  41. @Glossy
    But Mrs. Clinton also reiterated her support for the thousands of Syrian refugees who have flooded into Europe fleeing violence. “This is a heartbreaking crisis,” Mrs. Clinton said

    I think that's the exact kind of a situation for which the phrase "crocodile tears" was invented. She worked hard to start that war, to deprive those people of their homes, to kill their loved ones.

    The Donald gives pithy epithets to his opponents. Jeb was low energy, Rubio was little Marco, Cruz is lying Ted. What will he call Hillary during the general? I see two possible ways to go - butch dyke and old hag - but I can't predict the wording.

    “The Donald gives pithy epithets to his opponents. Jeb was low energy, Rubio was little Marco, Cruz is lying Ted. What will he call Hillary during the general? I see two possible ways to go – butch dyke and old hag – but I can’t predict the wording.”

    Wall Street’s Puppet, Hillary Cankles, Hildabeast, Coughin Hillary, The Establishment’s Puppet, The Benghazi Criminal, etc.

  42. @NOTA
    So, how did ISIS get to be a problem, again? How did the last several times we intervened in that region work out for us?

    I think you misunderstand me. I’m speaking in the context of immigration, not war. By “not acquiescing” I am referring to immigration.

  43. @iSteveFan

    “When other candidates talk about building walls around America, I want to ask them how high does the wall have to be to keep the Internet out?”
     
    I like how obtuse opponents are by focusing on a wall as if that is the only component to fighting the problem. If the political will ever comes about to adequately secure the southern border with proper fencing, then there most surely will be the political will to allow agents to conduct frequent workplace raids and deport those who overstayed a visa. Additionally such policies would also include not allowing illegals to open bank accounts and be issued with photo IDs or driver's licenses. The wall/fence is just one component. By itself it won't be highly effective, but in combination with the above it should make a noticeable difference.

    I have noticed that many of the detractors of a border fence are also big detractors of the death penalty. Their reasoning is that we can build strong enough fences to keep convicted mass killers away from harming others so there is no need to put them down. It does not explain what can happen to prison guards, public lawyers and medical workers, and other inmates but they don’t count.

  44. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @rod1963
    The Muzzies are just getting warmed up, if you look at their attacks, they are clearly evolving in terms of sophistication and targeting. This ought to scare the bright green piss out of folks.

    Several years from now I suspect they will move onto infrastructure targets which will give them a massive return on investment. Read Matt Bracken's latest article to get a feel.

    http://gatesofvienna.net/2015/11/tet-take-two-islams-2016-european-offensive/

    Even if it's not the scale he predicts, say they just take out the power grid that keeps the lights on and water flowing in Manhattan or D.C. by blowing up the critical transformers that keep the lights out for weeks or months. There goes the stock market and trillions in stock value, not to mention making these places unlivable.

    Remember how they panicked over the Beltway Sniper(who were Muslims)? This would a 100x worse.

    Modern civilization is very fragile, especially the cities.

    Palo Alto, Greenwich, Aspen, Telluride won't be safe, it's just a fat juicy target loaded with men-boy geeks living in palatial estates guarded by rent-a-cops. Those palaces just say "hit me".

    The average Islamic terrorist doesn’t hit power girds because he doesn’t know anything about power grids. The average American doesn’t know anything about power grids either, because he was never taught anything about them in high school or college, and it’s ditto for Muslims. In the natives countries of both these guys they’re maintained by specialists who’d rather be eating than out of a job after blowing them up.

    Also, terrorists don’t hit power grids because grids are a bunch of wires that don’t scream for their loved ones when they’re hit. When your power goes off, you’re annoyed and inconvenienced, but you’re not terrified. Terrorists want to destroy people, not mechanical parts.

    • Replies: @27 year old
    The average Islamic terrorist is an engineer from a well off background, I think it's likely that they understand power grids just fine. Some of their fathers are/were probably the guys maintaining the power grid at home.

    I don't buy the "lack of screaming victims" ie sadism argument either, see the most successful terror attack of all time, 9/11. Suicide bombers for the most part detonate themselves in a crowd of unaware people and are dead before the surviving victims start to scream.

    A several week long power outage would be deadly for huge numbers of people in the major cities on its own. Then they start doing their typical terror attacks. With no CNN and limited (if any) Internet communications, it would be a very terrifying situation. And that's ignoring what the blacks would do during a long term outage.

    I think we have just been lucky so far.
    , @Anonymous
    The Kuwaiti-born terrorist who shot up two military installations in Chattanooga probably knew a thing or two about power grids.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Chattanooga_shootings#Background
  45. @NOTA
    Terrorist attacks in the west are down in the roundoff error in mortality statistics, and that's not likely to change anytime soon. The Paris and Brussels attackers were a few guys with guns and bombs, and their ability to do damage was quite limited. Those attacks are nasty, and we surely want to stop them if we can, but their impact is mainly that they're spectacular and horrible and mediagenic.

    Imposing massive surveillance on the citizens was a goal long before ISIS, and long before 9/11. The terrorist attacks make it easier to get the citizens and politicians to go along.

    Imposing massive surveillance on the citizens was a goal long before ISIS, and long before 9/11. The terrorist attacks make it easier to get the citizens and politicians to go along.

    I agree. But I wish they hadn’t decided to import the Third World as a pretext for controlling their own citizens. If I’m going to live in a police state, I’d prefer it to be a homogeneous white one, like the USSR or Nazi Germany. Immigration is all but irreversible, for one thing.

  46. Orwell described a gigantic Big Brother industry in 1984.

    There’s so much money to be made in this “investigation of the citizenry.”

    Police State = $$$$$$$

    • Replies: @Olorin
    And just wait till they succeed in making all DNA into real estate.
  47. @Rob McX

    ...how high does the wall have to be to keep the Internet out?”
     
    The Internet can't plant a bomb in an airport or shoot into a crowd of people at a concert. Muslims can rant for all they're worth on Facebook if they're at a safe distance from us in Syria or Morocco.

    She's again illustrating the choice we have when it comes to immigration. You can have tight controls of prospective immigrants, with intrusive probing of their private lives to see if they're suitable candidates. You can also have blanket bans on races or religions who will never fit in. This will allow you to have a society with minimal surveillance of the citizens by the government (the libertarians' ideal). On the other hand, you can have a laissez-faire immigration system combined with a police state to keep track of all the dangerous people (or their descendants) whose presence is the fruit your open-borders policy. You have to pick one or other of these combinations.

    And what makes you think that Hillary and her handlers aren’t using this crisis to do what they’ve always dreamed of: the global panopticon borg matrix hive in which individual liberties are granted by the state and its minions?

  48. @Anonymous
    Orwell described a gigantic Big Brother industry in 1984.

    There's so much money to be made in this "investigation of the citizenry."

    Police State = $$$$$$$

    And just wait till they succeed in making all DNA into real estate.

  49. India has a nice wall/fence

    #

    ppl who want a wall should just keep pointing out the double standard

    Clinton: Israel wall good, US wall bad

    the cognitive dissonance will gradually work over time

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    If your border guards look like this, you're gonna need a good fence.

    http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/wwfeatures/1600_900/images/live/p0/2r/mh/p02rmhgr.jpg

    http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/9d/16/07/9d1607e2ca8ee100c7d9bbdcc414fe9a.jpg

  50. lowering or stagnated wages + increased housing costs = squeezed spending

    is why the western economies are in a death spiral

    so regardless of security threats there should be a total moratorium on mass immigration until the western countries get back to full employment.

  51. @Chrisnonymous
    Wrong.

    Italians came to America because it was a land of freedom, and they wanted to emigrate away from their former lives and start fresh with new opportunities.

    Muslims (not all, of course) come to America because it is a land of largesse, and they want to maintain their former lives but transplant them in a place with an easier lifestyle.

    You say he’s wrong, but you elide his point about Italian-American cops (and prosecutors, for that matter: Rudy Giuliani was a scourge of the mafia as a US Attorney).

    Mario Puzo made a similar point in the Godfather: Michael goes to Sicily after killing the mafia don and his corrupt cop ally, and he gets to see what a place looks like when it’s all mafia. Aside from the obvious problem of constantly risking death from vendettas, there is the corruption. Michael doesn’t let the local doctor fix his busted nose because he figures he’s not really qualified – some Mafioso got him the gig.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    I know you're probably smarter than I am, and I'm posting after 750 ml bourbon + x ml shochu, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt... but I don't see the point right now. I was responding to Mr. Hume's idea that Muslims would welcome being monitored because Italians worked with law enforcement: I think one does not follow from the other because the circumstances surrounding their respective migrations are quite different.
  52. @Anon
    The average Islamic terrorist doesn't hit power girds because he doesn't know anything about power grids. The average American doesn't know anything about power grids either, because he was never taught anything about them in high school or college, and it's ditto for Muslims. In the natives countries of both these guys they're maintained by specialists who'd rather be eating than out of a job after blowing them up.

    Also, terrorists don't hit power grids because grids are a bunch of wires that don't scream for their loved ones when they're hit. When your power goes off, you're annoyed and inconvenienced, but you're not terrified. Terrorists want to destroy people, not mechanical parts.

    The average Islamic terrorist is an engineer from a well off background, I think it’s likely that they understand power grids just fine. Some of their fathers are/were probably the guys maintaining the power grid at home.

    I don’t buy the “lack of screaming victims” ie sadism argument either, see the most successful terror attack of all time, 9/11. Suicide bombers for the most part detonate themselves in a crowd of unaware people and are dead before the surviving victims start to scream.

    A several week long power outage would be deadly for huge numbers of people in the major cities on its own. Then they start doing their typical terror attacks. With no CNN and limited (if any) Internet communications, it would be a very terrifying situation. And that’s ignoring what the blacks would do during a long term outage.

    I think we have just been lucky so far.

    • Replies: @anon-r-us
    They aren't very good engineers then. They can build bombs, but they really aren't good at target selection and they prefer being blown to Allah to surviving to bomb again and again. As a degreed mechanical engineer, and coming from a family of mining and demolitions types, I can say that they haven't really shown any elan or technical prowess above simple WWII resistance type bombings.

    "Not that this is a bad thing"...I have no desire to help anyone blow up anyone else. But anyone who has any real technical training can see what I am saying.

    Another angle to the whole jihad movement is that the crazier and more unorganized ones are low hanging fruit for our counterrevolutionary forces, and through sheer evolution you'd expect smarter, craftier, more patient, future oriented terrorists to evolve by simply being those who survive and live to father more children. I don't know that we have really seen that yet. It may happen, but so far, it hasn't.
  53. @Dave Pinsen
    You say he's wrong, but you elide his point about Italian-American cops (and prosecutors, for that matter: Rudy Giuliani was a scourge of the mafia as a US Attorney).

    Mario Puzo made a similar point in the Godfather: Michael goes to Sicily after killing the mafia don and his corrupt cop ally, and he gets to see what a place looks like when it's all mafia. Aside from the obvious problem of constantly risking death from vendettas, there is the corruption. Michael doesn't let the local doctor fix his busted nose because he figures he's not really qualified - some Mafioso got him the gig.

    I know you’re probably smarter than I am, and I’m posting after 750 ml bourbon + x ml shochu, so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt… but I don’t see the point right now. I was responding to Mr. Hume’s idea that Muslims would welcome being monitored because Italians worked with law enforcement: I think one does not follow from the other because the circumstances surrounding their respective migrations are quite different.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    and I’m posting after 750 ml bourbon + x ml shochu, so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt…
     
    Couldn't we all agree to comment only when sober?
    , @justanotherguywitha1911
    Eh, I'm pretty sure most iStevers are in the 120-140 zone. Smart enough to know everything is going to hell. Probably smarter than most of the people we deal with on daily basis. But since things keep on going to hell what's the point, really? It is probably better being like the folks you eventually end up hanging with at detox and then intense out patient rehab, and realize, leap frogging loyalties aside, we're all like cattle being rounded up for the slaughter and even the dumb ones get it. And you feel bad, because, they're like "1911 yer smart, why is you here in the pen with us? Moo..mooo...." Well, here's the deal, no matter how big yer bank account, and how smart you are, ceteris paribus, we're all ending in the pen.

    Anyway, 375 ml of Dubra, but got band practice tonight so gonna sleep it off for a bit.

  54. “One thing we know that does not work is offensive inflammatory rhetoric that demonizes all Muslims,” she said.

    *sigh* If only she could apply that same logic to White men.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    *sigh* If only she could apply that same logic to White men.
     
    Considering who she's been living with for four decades, and his toady retinue, her low opinion of white men is understandable.
  55. The amazing thing is that she can call for more freedom for foreigners, and less freedom for Americans, and take no heat from her party or her constituents.

    • Replies: @DWB
    Of course not. This is the opposite of the Derbyshire Gambit - maximum security at the border, minimum sercurity within it.

    To people like Hillary and others, "America" is a just a place to sleep. "Americans" are just world citizens who are here by accident of birth. Why would she care if she inconveniences them?
  56. @Harry Baldwin
    "60 Minutes" filming a report on MENA migrants in Sweden is attacked, crew members punched, rocks thrown, cameraman struck by car. Will liberal attitudes change? Stay tuned.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42jpuXJPk0w

    Wow these people are moronic. Why do they keep talking to the people who are throwing stuff at them?? How are we raising people of such utter stupidity

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Oh, I get that--they want the footage. I'm glad they got it.
  57. @RamonaQ
    Wow these people are moronic. Why do they keep talking to the people who are throwing stuff at them?? How are we raising people of such utter stupidity

    Oh, I get that–they want the footage. I’m glad they got it.

  58. @Rob McX

    ...how high does the wall have to be to keep the Internet out?”
     
    The Internet can't plant a bomb in an airport or shoot into a crowd of people at a concert. Muslims can rant for all they're worth on Facebook if they're at a safe distance from us in Syria or Morocco.

    She's again illustrating the choice we have when it comes to immigration. You can have tight controls of prospective immigrants, with intrusive probing of their private lives to see if they're suitable candidates. You can also have blanket bans on races or religions who will never fit in. This will allow you to have a society with minimal surveillance of the citizens by the government (the libertarians' ideal). On the other hand, you can have a laissez-faire immigration system combined with a police state to keep track of all the dangerous people (or their descendants) whose presence is the fruit your open-borders policy. You have to pick one or other of these combinations.

    Mohammedan street crime is increasingly impacting formerly low-crime European countries. Get tough on crime initiatives are largely driven by NAM crime. I guess the short version is diversity or freedom, pick one.

  59. Hillary could use an intelligence surge of her own.

    Unfortunately, she’s only interested in a power surge. Of her own.

  60. @Gunnar von Cowtown

    “One thing we know that does not work is offensive inflammatory rhetoric that demonizes all Muslims,” she said.
     
    *sigh* If only she could apply that same logic to White men.

    *sigh* If only she could apply that same logic to White men.

    Considering who she’s been living with for four decades, and his toady retinue, her low opinion of white men is understandable.

  61. @Chrisnonymous
    I know you're probably smarter than I am, and I'm posting after 750 ml bourbon + x ml shochu, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt... but I don't see the point right now. I was responding to Mr. Hume's idea that Muslims would welcome being monitored because Italians worked with law enforcement: I think one does not follow from the other because the circumstances surrounding their respective migrations are quite different.

    and I’m posting after 750 ml bourbon + x ml shochu, so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt…

    Couldn’t we all agree to comment only when sober?

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    So, no In Vino Veritas then?
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    I'll have to quit posting if we agree on that.
  62. […] if you do too much of “invade the world, invite the world” you inevitably end up with “investigate the citizenry.”  Lake should sort out his causes and […]

  63. Brussels attacks: Security scanners ‘could be installed at airport entrances’ in wake of bomb terror

    Exclusive: Case for installing a security perimeter outside airport arrival halls will be examined during an emergency meeting of experts that has been called for March 31, according to EU sources

    I know people have commented that merely moving the vulnerable lines and crowds out farther will just make them targets, but I also thought it funny that they were looking at “extending the security perimeter”… They are on the right track but, just keep going, keep going… like, to the borders of the Schengen Area? Hmmm

    Isn’t a security perimeter a border and aren’t all borders racist?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/belgium/12202315/Brussels-attacks-Security-scanners-could-be-installed-at-airport-entrances-in-wake-of-bomb-terror.html

    • Agree: ben tillman
  64. DWB says: • Website
    @Svigor
    The amazing thing is that she can call for more freedom for foreigners, and less freedom for Americans, and take no heat from her party or her constituents.

    Of course not. This is the opposite of the Derbyshire Gambit – maximum security at the border, minimum sercurity within it.

    To people like Hillary and others, “America” is a just a place to sleep. “Americans” are just world citizens who are here by accident of birth. Why would she care if she inconveniences them?

  65. @Chrisnonymous
    I know you're probably smarter than I am, and I'm posting after 750 ml bourbon + x ml shochu, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt... but I don't see the point right now. I was responding to Mr. Hume's idea that Muslims would welcome being monitored because Italians worked with law enforcement: I think one does not follow from the other because the circumstances surrounding their respective migrations are quite different.

    Eh, I’m pretty sure most iStevers are in the 120-140 zone. Smart enough to know everything is going to hell. Probably smarter than most of the people we deal with on daily basis. But since things keep on going to hell what’s the point, really? It is probably better being like the folks you eventually end up hanging with at detox and then intense out patient rehab, and realize, leap frogging loyalties aside, we’re all like cattle being rounded up for the slaughter and even the dumb ones get it. And you feel bad, because, they’re like “1911 yer smart, why is you here in the pen with us? Moo..mooo….” Well, here’s the deal, no matter how big yer bank account, and how smart you are, ceteris paribus, we’re all ending in the pen.

    Anyway, 375 ml of Dubra, but got band practice tonight so gonna sleep it off for a bit.

  66. Listening to a few NPR programs this morning, I heard from a number of experts that Islamophobia is a barrier to dealing with terrorism. Me, I think Racismphobia is the real barrier.

  67. @fnn
    Hillary's actions in Libya and Syria played a big role in birthing ISIS.

    Not to mention her “yes” vote on whether US forces should be engaged in Iraq. Not to mention her support for the bombing of the former Yugoslavia into kingdom come during the administration of the Husband of Record.

  68. @The most deplorable one
    After all, we have to have more people to do the things Americans won't do:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/21/illegal-alien-allowed-to-stay-in-usa-pleads-guilty-to-rape-murder-kidnapping/

    How truly sickening, and a complete failure on so many levels.

    Police caught Razo after a brief shootout

    I would think this guy is the perfect example of someone who the Police would not be taking into custody, and a few more rounds might have done the trick.

    Lastly, this guy is Trump’s Willie Horton, served on a silver platter.

  69. @Stephen R. Diamond
    I could support the candidate who is not a chickenhawk on ISIS. But who would that be?

    Destruction of ISIS is premature, and not possible anyway, because ISIS cannot be defeated without coming into conflict with Russia;the Russians and Assad understand who would be next and will not sit still while ISIS is removed from the equation. In future, as in their recent intervention, the Russians will roll back with a vengeance gains by FSA rebels that the US arms tries to use as a proxy against ISIS. No one is going to fight the Russians for control of Syria. ISIS will continue to exist there while the Assad regime’s future is in doubt, which means the foreseeable future. Anyway, Syria is overwhelmingly Sunni and ISIS or something like it are not without support in Syria. ISIS is a threat to Clinton’s neocon foreign policy, which concentrates on freezing the current Middle East as it is.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/is-trump-a-realist/
    Without coming up with a new foreign policy paradigm to replace the old one that has been dominating Washington since the end of the Cold War, expect the new president, whether it’s Trump or any of the other candidates, to maintain the status quo as he muddles through and reacts to crises abroad. President Trump may prove to be more pragmatic than a President Rubio in handling world affairs, but his definition of core U.S. national interests would not be much different.

    The US and Western nationalist interest is for a loosening up of the Middle East and a final resolution of the core problem there, which so closely relates to our own. Trump in the White house will see what is necessary: neither neocon or realist.

    • Replies: @anon

    Destruction of ISIS is premature, and not possible anyway, because ISIS cannot be defeated without coming into conflict with Russia
     
    Every word of that was a blatant lie.

    The Russians crippled Isis when they bombed the oil trucks and cut off the funding.

    The neocons refused to do it despite Isis' cleansing rampage because Isis was fighting Assad and so got the USAF to bomb sand for a year instead.
  70. @Reg Cæsar

    and I’m posting after 750 ml bourbon + x ml shochu, so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt…
     
    Couldn't we all agree to comment only when sober?

    So, no In Vino Veritas then?

  71. @anon
    India has a nice wall/fence

    http://www.psgtech.edu/ncc/images/Wings/EP/fence/Fence2.jpg

    #

    ppl who want a wall should just keep pointing out the double standard

    Clinton: Israel wall good, US wall bad

    the cognitive dissonance will gradually work over time

    If your border guards look like this, you’re gonna need a good fence.

  72. @Reg Cæsar

    and I’m posting after 750 ml bourbon + x ml shochu, so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt…
     
    Couldn't we all agree to comment only when sober?

    I’ll have to quit posting if we agree on that.

  73. What would a reasonable strategy against ISIS look like? I mean, being really careful about whom we issue visas to, that’s a pretty obvious step. But after that, what can we realistically do to get rid of them?

    The closest to a real strategy I can see is to deny them control of any cities. Announce it up front, a week in advance, that ISIS-held city X is going to be reduced to smoldering ruins starting next Friday. Come Friday, the skies over city X darken with bombers till the city is pretty much nothing but a memory. The next week, announce the next target. And so on.

    I have no idea if this would work, and it would have some really awful humanitarian impact as hundreds of thousands of people streamed out of the cities and became refugees in the countryside, under ISIS’ care. But it does seem like something we could actually do, and its success wouldnt turn on whether or not we could successfully build up a functioning society and army to protect it from rhe locals we’d just conquered. Nor would it leave a lot of opportunity for our military equipment to end up in ISIS’ hands, or for our local allies to betray us. (As best I can tell, our only worthwhile local allies are the Kurds, and we’re pretty much okay with selling them out to the Turks for larger geopolitical considerations.)

    • Replies: @utu
    "What would a reasonable strategy against ISIS look like? " - Just follow the money.

    (1) Tell Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey to stop funding them, or else.
    (2) Help Iraqi, Kurds and Syrian to fight them.
    (3) Provide air power support together with Russia.

    (1)-(3) would work in the ideal world. The problem is that the US (deep state and rogue elements) as well as Israel are not interested in having any strategy defeating ISIS. The US strategy for Syria is the same as it was for Libya and ISIS is a part of it. It is a golem that is to be kept alive. The national Arab states are to be destroyed and replaced with desserts of chaos of never ending sectarian fight and struggles that will be fueled for ever.

    So, your question is really naive.
    , @anon
    "Isis" is used to mean multiple things.

    If you mean the actual group in the mid-east the best strategy would be for the West and allies to stop secretly supporting or at at least tolerating them - the group was initially created by the Gulf states to attack Assad, has been actively helped by Turkey because they were fighting the Kurds and has been tolerated by the US (in Syria if not Iraq) because their real policy in Syria is regime change.

    The only active measures needed are

    1) blow up their oil trucks to cut off their money supply and Putin did that.

    2) Recognize that there are two parts to the Isis thing - Sunni Arab tribes in Syria and Iraq who have a case for some self-determination and jihadist hijackers - so split the two.

    #

    If by "Isis" you mean jihadism inside the west then

    jihadists = numbers of muslims x individual risk of radicalization

    so you reduce the numbers or reduce the risk of radicalization

    not bombing the middle east would help the latter but it's irrelevant if the cheap labor lobby is going to continue to import millions of low IQ ppl for cheap labor as they'll inevitably sit at the bottom of society getting bitter and will end up either criminal or jihadist.

    (usually both: criminal first then jihadist as penance)
  74. @NOTA
    Terrorist attacks in the west are down in the roundoff error in mortality statistics, and that's not likely to change anytime soon. The Paris and Brussels attackers were a few guys with guns and bombs, and their ability to do damage was quite limited. Those attacks are nasty, and we surely want to stop them if we can, but their impact is mainly that they're spectacular and horrible and mediagenic.

    Imposing massive surveillance on the citizens was a goal long before ISIS, and long before 9/11. The terrorist attacks make it easier to get the citizens and politicians to go along.

    Terrorist attacks are down for the same reason violent crime stats are down – western countries are spending a massive amount of money on resources and modern technology to keep them down.

    As Rod 1963 points out, the terrorists may well change tack and switch to infrastructure targets. Economic sabotage doesn’t require elaborate planning, and the terrorists don’t have to commit suicide in the process. How much effort and coordination does it take to park an old car in rush hour traffic, or toss a home made bomb into an suburban electric sub station?

  75. @NOTA
    What would a reasonable strategy against ISIS look like? I mean, being really careful about whom we issue visas to, that's a pretty obvious step. But after that, what can we realistically do to get rid of them?

    The closest to a real strategy I can see is to deny them control of any cities. Announce it up front, a week in advance, that ISIS-held city X is going to be reduced to smoldering ruins starting next Friday. Come Friday, the skies over city X darken with bombers till the city is pretty much nothing but a memory. The next week, announce the next target. And so on.

    I have no idea if this would work, and it would have some really awful humanitarian impact as hundreds of thousands of people streamed out of the cities and became refugees in the countryside, under ISIS' care. But it does seem like something we could actually do, and its success wouldnt turn on whether or not we could successfully build up a functioning society and army to protect it from rhe locals we'd just conquered. Nor would it leave a lot of opportunity for our military equipment to end up in ISIS' hands, or for our local allies to betray us. (As best I can tell, our only worthwhile local allies are the Kurds, and we're pretty much okay with selling them out to the Turks for larger geopolitical considerations.)

    “What would a reasonable strategy against ISIS look like? ” – Just follow the money.

    (1) Tell Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey to stop funding them, or else.
    (2) Help Iraqi, Kurds and Syrian to fight them.
    (3) Provide air power support together with Russia.

    (1)-(3) would work in the ideal world. The problem is that the US (deep state and rogue elements) as well as Israel are not interested in having any strategy defeating ISIS. The US strategy for Syria is the same as it was for Libya and ISIS is a part of it. It is a golem that is to be kept alive. The national Arab states are to be destroyed and replaced with desserts of chaos of never ending sectarian fight and struggles that will be fueled for ever.

    So, your question is really naive.

  76. @rod1963
    The Muzzies are just getting warmed up, if you look at their attacks, they are clearly evolving in terms of sophistication and targeting. This ought to scare the bright green piss out of folks.

    Several years from now I suspect they will move onto infrastructure targets which will give them a massive return on investment. Read Matt Bracken's latest article to get a feel.

    http://gatesofvienna.net/2015/11/tet-take-two-islams-2016-european-offensive/

    Even if it's not the scale he predicts, say they just take out the power grid that keeps the lights on and water flowing in Manhattan or D.C. by blowing up the critical transformers that keep the lights out for weeks or months. There goes the stock market and trillions in stock value, not to mention making these places unlivable.

    Remember how they panicked over the Beltway Sniper(who were Muslims)? This would a 100x worse.

    Modern civilization is very fragile, especially the cities.

    Palo Alto, Greenwich, Aspen, Telluride won't be safe, it's just a fat juicy target loaded with men-boy geeks living in palatial estates guarded by rent-a-cops. Those palaces just say "hit me".

    I’m of the opinion that if they really wanted to inflict serious damage they’d hit soft large targets in Flyover Country, racking up some numbers and really terrorizing the populace most of whose immediate reaction to 9/11 was, ” It’s horrible, but I’m glad it couldn’t happen here”.

    Then again, regardless of target choice, there has to be on some level the thought in the back of their minds that if they killed ENOUGH Americans, either the incumbent president would go nuts and “turn the keys” -launch a thermonuclear ICBM strike-or would be replaced by someone who would.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    A lot of people have talked about infrastructure attacks, but terrorists in the west haven't done them. My guess is, they are following the right strategy. Western countries would much rather spend money than lives--a terrorist attack knocking out power to a hundred thousand people will be annoying, but will not have nearly as much impact as one that kills a hundred people. That's true even if the downstream consequences of the power outage kill more than 100 people.
    , @ben tillman

    I’m of the opinion that if they really wanted to inflict serious damage they’d hit soft large targets in Flyover Country, racking up some numbers and really terrorizing the populace most of whose immediate reaction to 9/11 was, ” It’s horrible, but I’m glad it couldn’t happen here”.
     
    I never heard of such a reaction, and es klingt falsch.
  77. @27 year old
    The average Islamic terrorist is an engineer from a well off background, I think it's likely that they understand power grids just fine. Some of their fathers are/were probably the guys maintaining the power grid at home.

    I don't buy the "lack of screaming victims" ie sadism argument either, see the most successful terror attack of all time, 9/11. Suicide bombers for the most part detonate themselves in a crowd of unaware people and are dead before the surviving victims start to scream.

    A several week long power outage would be deadly for huge numbers of people in the major cities on its own. Then they start doing their typical terror attacks. With no CNN and limited (if any) Internet communications, it would be a very terrifying situation. And that's ignoring what the blacks would do during a long term outage.

    I think we have just been lucky so far.

    They aren’t very good engineers then. They can build bombs, but they really aren’t good at target selection and they prefer being blown to Allah to surviving to bomb again and again. As a degreed mechanical engineer, and coming from a family of mining and demolitions types, I can say that they haven’t really shown any elan or technical prowess above simple WWII resistance type bombings.

    “Not that this is a bad thing”…I have no desire to help anyone blow up anyone else. But anyone who has any real technical training can see what I am saying.

    Another angle to the whole jihad movement is that the crazier and more unorganized ones are low hanging fruit for our counterrevolutionary forces, and through sheer evolution you’d expect smarter, craftier, more patient, future oriented terrorists to evolve by simply being those who survive and live to father more children. I don’t know that we have really seen that yet. It may happen, but so far, it hasn’t.

    • Replies: @anon
    One of the reasons it hasn't been anywhere near as bad as it could have been has been the mismatch between desire and competence.

    Their tactics have been x when their human capital is better suited to y.

    However they're getting there by trial and error.
  78. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean
    Destruction of ISIS is premature, and not possible anyway, because ISIS cannot be defeated without coming into conflict with Russia;the Russians and Assad understand who would be next and will not sit still while ISIS is removed from the equation. In future, as in their recent intervention, the Russians will roll back with a vengeance gains by FSA rebels that the US arms tries to use as a proxy against ISIS. No one is going to fight the Russians for control of Syria. ISIS will continue to exist there while the Assad regime's future is in doubt, which means the foreseeable future. Anyway, Syria is overwhelmingly Sunni and ISIS or something like it are not without support in Syria. ISIS is a threat to Clinton's neocon foreign policy, which concentrates on freezing the current Middle East as it is.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/is-trump-a-realist/
    Without coming up with a new foreign policy paradigm to replace the old one that has been dominating Washington since the end of the Cold War, expect the new president, whether it’s Trump or any of the other candidates, to maintain the status quo as he muddles through and reacts to crises abroad. President Trump may prove to be more pragmatic than a President Rubio in handling world affairs, but his definition of core U.S. national interests would not be much different.
     
    The US and Western nationalist interest is for a loosening up of the Middle East and a final resolution of the core problem there, which so closely relates to our own. Trump in the White house will see what is necessary: neither neocon or realist.

    Destruction of ISIS is premature, and not possible anyway, because ISIS cannot be defeated without coming into conflict with Russia

    Every word of that was a blatant lie.

    The Russians crippled Isis when they bombed the oil trucks and cut off the funding.

    The neocons refused to do it despite Isis’ cleansing rampage because Isis was fighting Assad and so got the USAF to bomb sand for a year instead.

    • Replies: @Sean
    The Russians are trying to keep their client Assad from losing and primarily (first, most often and most intensively) attacked the original anti-Assad rebels the FSA, but not ISIS when it occupied the FSA positions softened up by Russian bombing. The Russians could easily have blasted their Syrian dictator chum Assad into Raqqa, but they have announced an imminent withdrawal just as Assad's army and Hezbollah foreign legion that does most of the actual fighting was in striking distance of it, so they hammered ISIS but did not try to totally defeat it. ISIS is Assad's hole card against any foreign intervention, and his neighbours who all hate him. Turkey uses ISIS against the Kurds. Russia supports the Kurds to weaken Turkey not because Russia likes Kurds.

    The one place where Russia and the pitifully small forces of great helmsman Assad are going all out is down in the Southern Front next to Jordan.ISIS and crypto ISIS forces are moving into the area and Assad is going to retaliate against the Hashemite kingdom's assistance to the FSA . The US views Jordan as a client and will use a lot of firepower to defend it http://www.ibtimes.com/us-launches-rockets-southern-syria-jordan-first-time-2335353

    Not clear whether Assad can protect the southern drive to Jordan by ISIS from US /Jordanian bombing, but he certainly will not let it be defeated yet. ISIS or something like it probably has the potential to gain large areas of the region and create a fluid situation.

  79. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @NOTA
    What would a reasonable strategy against ISIS look like? I mean, being really careful about whom we issue visas to, that's a pretty obvious step. But after that, what can we realistically do to get rid of them?

    The closest to a real strategy I can see is to deny them control of any cities. Announce it up front, a week in advance, that ISIS-held city X is going to be reduced to smoldering ruins starting next Friday. Come Friday, the skies over city X darken with bombers till the city is pretty much nothing but a memory. The next week, announce the next target. And so on.

    I have no idea if this would work, and it would have some really awful humanitarian impact as hundreds of thousands of people streamed out of the cities and became refugees in the countryside, under ISIS' care. But it does seem like something we could actually do, and its success wouldnt turn on whether or not we could successfully build up a functioning society and army to protect it from rhe locals we'd just conquered. Nor would it leave a lot of opportunity for our military equipment to end up in ISIS' hands, or for our local allies to betray us. (As best I can tell, our only worthwhile local allies are the Kurds, and we're pretty much okay with selling them out to the Turks for larger geopolitical considerations.)

    “Isis” is used to mean multiple things.

    If you mean the actual group in the mid-east the best strategy would be for the West and allies to stop secretly supporting or at at least tolerating them – the group was initially created by the Gulf states to attack Assad, has been actively helped by Turkey because they were fighting the Kurds and has been tolerated by the US (in Syria if not Iraq) because their real policy in Syria is regime change.

    The only active measures needed are

    1) blow up their oil trucks to cut off their money supply and Putin did that.

    2) Recognize that there are two parts to the Isis thing – Sunni Arab tribes in Syria and Iraq who have a case for some self-determination and jihadist hijackers – so split the two.

    #

    If by “Isis” you mean jihadism inside the west then

    jihadists = numbers of muslims x individual risk of radicalization

    so you reduce the numbers or reduce the risk of radicalization

    not bombing the middle east would help the latter but it’s irrelevant if the cheap labor lobby is going to continue to import millions of low IQ ppl for cheap labor as they’ll inevitably sit at the bottom of society getting bitter and will end up either criminal or jihadist.

    (usually both: criminal first then jihadist as penance)

  80. @anon-r-us
    They aren't very good engineers then. They can build bombs, but they really aren't good at target selection and they prefer being blown to Allah to surviving to bomb again and again. As a degreed mechanical engineer, and coming from a family of mining and demolitions types, I can say that they haven't really shown any elan or technical prowess above simple WWII resistance type bombings.

    "Not that this is a bad thing"...I have no desire to help anyone blow up anyone else. But anyone who has any real technical training can see what I am saying.

    Another angle to the whole jihad movement is that the crazier and more unorganized ones are low hanging fruit for our counterrevolutionary forces, and through sheer evolution you'd expect smarter, craftier, more patient, future oriented terrorists to evolve by simply being those who survive and live to father more children. I don't know that we have really seen that yet. It may happen, but so far, it hasn't.

    One of the reasons it hasn’t been anywhere near as bad as it could have been has been the mismatch between desire and competence.

    Their tactics have been x when their human capital is better suited to y.

    However they’re getting there by trial and error.

  81. @Jefferson
    "I thought Northwestern Europeans were supposed to be intelligent creatures, somewhat above average. Yet, the stupidity on display here can only be described as magnificent. It’s beyond reproach? Is shame so ingrained in the Nordic soul that it can be triggered amid rampant destruction from a foreign source, evened welcomed?

    May the gods have mercy on their souls."

    Nordic people are known for being book smart, but when it comes to street smarts most Nordic folks might as well have Down syndrome.

    They’ve been so long without the virus (minorities) they’ve developed no antibodies.

  82. @anon-r-us
    I'm of the opinion that if they really wanted to inflict serious damage they'd hit soft large targets in Flyover Country, racking up some numbers and really terrorizing the populace most of whose immediate reaction to 9/11 was, " It's horrible, but I'm glad it couldn't happen here".

    Then again, regardless of target choice, there has to be on some level the thought in the back of their minds that if they killed ENOUGH Americans, either the incumbent president would go nuts and "turn the keys" -launch a thermonuclear ICBM strike-or would be replaced by someone who would.

    A lot of people have talked about infrastructure attacks, but terrorists in the west haven’t done them. My guess is, they are following the right strategy. Western countries would much rather spend money than lives–a terrorist attack knocking out power to a hundred thousand people will be annoying, but will not have nearly as much impact as one that kills a hundred people. That’s true even if the downstream consequences of the power outage kill more than 100 people.

  83. When Kerry is interviewed by Dana Bash,
    She says ISIS and he says Daesh.

    When Obama is interviewed by Gwen Ifill,
    She says ISIS and he says ISIL.

    Will Clinton say Daesh, ISIL or ISIS?
    That depends on what the meaning of ISIS is.

  84. @Harry Baldwin
    I see two possible ways to go – butch dyke and old hag

    Those are the two worst possible directions. He'll do better.

    I see two possible ways to go – butch dyke and old hag

    Those are the two worst possible directions. He’ll do better.

    Yes, but not much.

  85. @anon-r-us
    I'm of the opinion that if they really wanted to inflict serious damage they'd hit soft large targets in Flyover Country, racking up some numbers and really terrorizing the populace most of whose immediate reaction to 9/11 was, " It's horrible, but I'm glad it couldn't happen here".

    Then again, regardless of target choice, there has to be on some level the thought in the back of their minds that if they killed ENOUGH Americans, either the incumbent president would go nuts and "turn the keys" -launch a thermonuclear ICBM strike-or would be replaced by someone who would.

    I’m of the opinion that if they really wanted to inflict serious damage they’d hit soft large targets in Flyover Country, racking up some numbers and really terrorizing the populace most of whose immediate reaction to 9/11 was, ” It’s horrible, but I’m glad it couldn’t happen here”.

    I never heard of such a reaction, and es klingt falsch.

  86. @Anon
    The average Islamic terrorist doesn't hit power girds because he doesn't know anything about power grids. The average American doesn't know anything about power grids either, because he was never taught anything about them in high school or college, and it's ditto for Muslims. In the natives countries of both these guys they're maintained by specialists who'd rather be eating than out of a job after blowing them up.

    Also, terrorists don't hit power grids because grids are a bunch of wires that don't scream for their loved ones when they're hit. When your power goes off, you're annoyed and inconvenienced, but you're not terrified. Terrorists want to destroy people, not mechanical parts.

    The Kuwaiti-born terrorist who shot up two military installations in Chattanooga probably knew a thing or two about power grids.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Chattanooga_shootings#Background

  87. @anon

    Destruction of ISIS is premature, and not possible anyway, because ISIS cannot be defeated without coming into conflict with Russia
     
    Every word of that was a blatant lie.

    The Russians crippled Isis when they bombed the oil trucks and cut off the funding.

    The neocons refused to do it despite Isis' cleansing rampage because Isis was fighting Assad and so got the USAF to bomb sand for a year instead.

    The Russians are trying to keep their client Assad from losing and primarily (first, most often and most intensively) attacked the original anti-Assad rebels the FSA, but not ISIS when it occupied the FSA positions softened up by Russian bombing. The Russians could easily have blasted their Syrian dictator chum Assad into Raqqa, but they have announced an imminent withdrawal just as Assad’s army and Hezbollah foreign legion that does most of the actual fighting was in striking distance of it, so they hammered ISIS but did not try to totally defeat it. ISIS is Assad’s hole card against any foreign intervention, and his neighbours who all hate him. Turkey uses ISIS against the Kurds. Russia supports the Kurds to weaken Turkey not because Russia likes Kurds.

    The one place where Russia and the pitifully small forces of great helmsman Assad are going all out is down in the Southern Front next to Jordan.ISIS and crypto ISIS forces are moving into the area and Assad is going to retaliate against the Hashemite kingdom’s assistance to the FSA . The US views Jordan as a client and will use a lot of firepower to defend it http://www.ibtimes.com/us-launches-rockets-southern-syria-jordan-first-time-2335353

    Not clear whether Assad can protect the southern drive to Jordan by ISIS from US /Jordanian bombing, but he certainly will not let it be defeated yet. ISIS or something like it probably has the potential to gain large areas of the region and create a fluid situation.

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