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Washington (CNN) Hillary Clinton lambasted Jeb Bush on Facebook Monday, calling his comment that Democrats offer “free stuff” to African-American voters “deeply insulting.”

Jeb, who speaks Spanish at home and who identified himself officially as a Hispanic a few years ago, has a Mexican attitude toward blacks:

Transethnic Jeb represents, like transgender Caitlyn Jenner and transracial Rachel Dolezal, the future. In an increasingly Hispanic and Asian America, African Americans are just going to have to get used to less White Guilt.

 
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  1. The Fox clip would be better if you could hear what he’s actually saying instead of a voice over.

    I believe Fox used to run the Coca-Cola distributorship in Querétaro. I’m sure he understands about underpaying Mexicans for medium and low skill work.

    Jeb is happy to play hispanics off against blacks trying to win the votes of the former. That’s bad for our country, of course; racial tension is bad enough as it is and that’s the angriest divide at present.

    The worst is the stupidity of that strategy, though. The key swing states are OH, NH, IA, CO, NV, VA, PA, and FL. CO and NV are small and Bush should have his home state of FL sewn up if he’s at all competitive against Clinton. NH and IA are 99% white. That leaves OH, VA, and PA where racial politics will matter.

    Guess what happens in those states if you get the tiny smattering of hispanics and alienate the large black community? Bush can’t win without two of the three and Black Votes Matter. Hispanics don’t live in swing states.

    • Agree: Travis, Reg Cæsar
    • Replies: @Travis
    so true, PA and Ohio have few hispanics, but many working class blacks who see their influence will wane with the increased immigration...

    Trump would win PA and Ohio and maybe even NJ, as he would get significant support from Blacks. Most of the hispanics in NJ and PA are Puerto Rican, thus will not vote for Jeb , as Mexican immigration is not a concern for them.

    No republican has much chance of getting the Puerto Rican vote, which is why Jeb could lose Florida, too many Puerto Ricans have moved to the state since he was governor, although Cubans still out-number Puerto Ricans in Florida , enough Puerto Ricans have moved into FLA since 2012 to make it difficult for any Republican to win there.

    This is the main reason Trump can't win FLA , too many Puerto Ricans have been moving there.
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    On the other hand, Hillary might be equally clueless. There's been a lot of talk of Julian Castro as her running mate. A big mistake, since picking him will not increase the Puerto Rican turnout for her in swing states, and Mexicans all live in solidly blue (California) or solidly red (Texas) states. But a black running mate, like Cory Booker, would definitely increase the black turnout - maybe even close to Obama levels.
  2. I liked it better when Hillary said she was “disappointed” with Trump’s remarks about illegal immigrants. The patronizing sense of superiority becomes her. She’ll be dynamite at the polls.

    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    Never underestimate the self-satisfied hauteur of the average Hillary fan..
  3. “My government has a very interesting proposzz …. proposition to your president.”

    Ah yes … now I understand what is meant by America being a proposition nation. 🙂

  4. Just wait until the Democrats force black churches to marry transsexuals. The alliance will come crashing down…

    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    P.C. strictures, by their very definition, are only enforced against White Christians, the Enemy of Humanity.
    , @Olorin
    Your comment reminded me of something (at my age, most things do).

    I once stopped a Pugetopolis Unitarian dinner party cold in its tracks when the discussion came around to bashing southern Christian churches and gleefully predicting a day when same-sex couples would be shoved into whatever orifices of the faithful.

    I warmly and earnestly agreed, as, I noted, the AME churches I grew up around were the most homophobic ones I've ever encountered. I was looking forward to the day when the African Methodist Episcopal churches were forced to marry gays.

    Choking and gulping noises preceded a long period of silence, then a topic change. Still, I presume they all doubled down on the Christian-bashing in their own minds, and made the walls between rational thought and race even higher and thicker.
  5. That clip is hilarious! What’s it from? Is it in a movie or on YouTube?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    It's the opening scene of Luis Estrada's 2014 movie "La Dictadura Perfecta," which was the highest grossing domestic release in Mexico last year:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/video-mexican-president-requests-open-borders-from-american-ambassador/?highlight=luis+estrada

    Estrada is a pretty good satirical director -- this is his 4th feature film -- but nobody in America who speaks English is interested in our neighboring country, so his films never get released in America and you almost never read about him.

    This movie is currently on Netflix.

    I don't want to overplay Estrada -- he's in the tier below the Three Amigos who get to come to Hollywood to make big budget movies in English in America like Gravity and Birdman. But there's a fair amount of movie and TV talent in Mexico. And Estrada is the main filmmaker directly engaging with what ought to be a pretty interesting question: why is Mexico the way it is? But in America the only fashionable response to Mexico is to avert one's eyes and change the subject.

    A handful of rightist Irish Catholic Americans are still carrying on the John Ford tradition of being interested in Mexico -- Cormac McCarthy, Mel Gibson, and Vince Gilligan (Breaking Bad). And Andy Garcia, a conservative Cuban Catholic, made a Mexico movie a few years back. Oliver Stone, who has a certain amount of Catholic ethnicity and conservative leanings that he tries to keep in the closet, touched a little on Mexico in "Savages" in 2012.

    But in general, Mexico has just receded over the commentariat's horizon.
  6. Still trying to figure out what Jeb! Election strategy is. Sure he is going to win to win a bunch of states no matter what. But pandering to Hispanics is going to cost him OH and PA for sure as whites stay home and the blacks get whipped up with his anti-black rhetoric. Puts the Dems at 255 with a lot of paths to 270.

    If Trump really plays well in the Midwest and with blacks he could win it in a walk. Pick up OH, PA, WI and MI along with NC and its game over. No need to even set foot into Florida.

    • Replies: @Ed
    Republicans win by winning "real America" that includes doing reasonably well with blacks, any other strategy is a sure loser.
  7. Blind squirrel found an acorn, did Jeb!?

    Saw the news that Asians are the top minority by 2065.

    • Replies: @Sgt. Joe Friday
    I wonder how many of those "Asians" are actually Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, etc. as opposed to Chinese or Vietnamese?
  8. If I remember right his apology on Sean Hannity’s show was even better. Apparently he thought his error was in referring to them as “blacks” instead of “African-Americans.” To him it was so obvious that blacks took lesser jobs that it made no sense that saying so would be problematic.

  9. The Dems have anticipated this possible development and are importing Africans as fast as is humanly possible.

    • Replies: @Anon
    The people who dislike american blacks more than anybody are .... African blacks.
  10. Didn’t Jeb say what would help Detroit is more immigrants??? They are the engine of prosperity!!

    Yep, nothing like importing 1/4 million more mestizo hispanics, Jeb’s people, into Detroit to uplift American born blacks living there!!

    Jeb gave away the whole “lets replace blacks with dumb, subservient Mexican labor” strategy right there. No wonder he’s the boy of the Club of Growth, Chamber of Commerce, Profit Above All Republicans.

  11. @Borachio
    That clip is hilarious! What's it from? Is it in a movie or on YouTube?

    It’s the opening scene of Luis Estrada’s 2014 movie “La Dictadura Perfecta,” which was the highest grossing domestic release in Mexico last year:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/video-mexican-president-requests-open-borders-from-american-ambassador/?highlight=luis+estrada

    Estrada is a pretty good satirical director — this is his 4th feature film — but nobody in America who speaks English is interested in our neighboring country, so his films never get released in America and you almost never read about him.

    This movie is currently on Netflix.

    I don’t want to overplay Estrada — he’s in the tier below the Three Amigos who get to come to Hollywood to make big budget movies in English in America like Gravity and Birdman. But there’s a fair amount of movie and TV talent in Mexico. And Estrada is the main filmmaker directly engaging with what ought to be a pretty interesting question: why is Mexico the way it is? But in America the only fashionable response to Mexico is to avert one’s eyes and change the subject.

    A handful of rightist Irish Catholic Americans are still carrying on the John Ford tradition of being interested in Mexico — Cormac McCarthy, Mel Gibson, and Vince Gilligan (Breaking Bad). And Andy Garcia, a conservative Cuban Catholic, made a Mexico movie a few years back. Oliver Stone, who has a certain amount of Catholic ethnicity and conservative leanings that he tries to keep in the closet, touched a little on Mexico in “Savages” in 2012.

    But in general, Mexico has just receded over the commentariat’s horizon.

    • Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil
    Oliver Stone has conservative leanings? Please do tell.
    , @AKAHorace
    Steve,

    I am part way through watching it. Its seems a good film. Actually you are lucky to be living north of Mexico rather than Africa.
    , @anon
    Now that it's not safe to visit, I'm going to Hawaii.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    I got my gut feelings about Mexico from Sam Peckinpah--The Wild Bunch and, especially, Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia.
    , @Olorin
    "what ought to be a pretty interesting question: why is Mexico the way it is?"

    Oh, Mr. Sailer. There you go yet again, violating the most fundamental tenet of pomo existentialism.

    Claiming that essence precedes existence.
  12. Ironic seeing as how blacks gave whites free stuff for thousands of years by building go the country

  13. OT

    brooklyn gentrification white vs white
    yeah I can’t figure it out either
    http://mic.com/articles/125758/brooklyn-gentrification-white-privilege-video-is-going-viral

    • Replies: @European-American
    (still OT, sorry)
    So in London's Shoreditch there's this cafe called Cereal Killer Cafe where you pay high prices to eat various branded cereals. Check out the picture of these hipster twins...
    http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2014/dec/09/cereal-killer-cafe-london-breakfast
    Now there's been an anti-gentrification riot called the Fuck Parade that smashed things up a bit at the cafe and was generally very rude and a bit scary.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/27/shoreditch-cereal-cafe-targeted-by-anti-gentrification-protesters
    (reminds me of the Louis CK awesome possum tshirt skit where he contemplates violence against hipsters in various ways).

    So I google Shoreditch and I come upon this article:

    A Champagne bath bar is coming to Shoreditch
    http://www.standard.co.uk/goingout/bars/a-champagne-bath-bar-is-coming-to-shoreditch-a2954757.html

    I think it's not a joke.

    None of this is a joke.

    This is real life. Of a sort.

    Where's the nearest ISIS recruiting centre again?

    , @Shine a Light
    To me the solution is pretty obvious -- this is "white" vs. white and not white vs. white.

    Still not getting it. How about this example. Nearly 50 years ago the "white" feminist Susan Sontag called the white race the cancer of human history. Presumably, given the events that took place in Germany in the 30's and 40's, she was not including "whites" as a subset of whites.

    This is why "whites" feel so free to wage war on white privilege and push white guilt so hard since they see themselves as excluded from the group of people called white.

    Get it now?
  14. @WillBest
    Still trying to figure out what Jeb! Election strategy is. Sure he is going to win to win a bunch of states no matter what. But pandering to Hispanics is going to cost him OH and PA for sure as whites stay home and the blacks get whipped up with his anti-black rhetoric. Puts the Dems at 255 with a lot of paths to 270.

    If Trump really plays well in the Midwest and with blacks he could win it in a walk. Pick up OH, PA, WI and MI along with NC and its game over. No need to even set foot into Florida.

    Republicans win by winning “real America” that includes doing reasonably well with blacks, any other strategy is a sure loser.

    • Agree: Kyle McKenna
    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    And it would indeed work, which explains the MSM full-court press against The Donald.
    , @Wilkey
    "Republicans win by winning “real America” that includes doing reasonably well with blacks, any other strategy is a sure loser."

    The mistake everyone makes is in assuming that "Republican" or "Democratic" politicians much care which party wins. Far too many of them don't. They are whores who will run for whatever party is winning at the moment, in their district, state, or nation. If their party starts to lose they're happy to make a quick exit for a big payoff from corporate America, ala Eric Cantor.

    Politicians like Jon Huntsman, Jr. and Lindsey Graham aren't conservatives. They merely ran as Republicans because in their states that is who wins.

    Likewise, groups like the Chamber of Commerce, etc., don't care that the massive influx of Third Worlders is moving this country to the Left. They plan to use whatever means possible to do away with and/or corrupt democracy so that it really doesn't matter where this country is on the political spectrum. If and when it ever does manage to make a difference the billionaires backing those groups will be long dead.
  15. • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6WHBO_Qc-Q
    , @Steve Sailer
    Thanks, I'll post.
  16. @Steve Sailer
    It's the opening scene of Luis Estrada's 2014 movie "La Dictadura Perfecta," which was the highest grossing domestic release in Mexico last year:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/video-mexican-president-requests-open-borders-from-american-ambassador/?highlight=luis+estrada

    Estrada is a pretty good satirical director -- this is his 4th feature film -- but nobody in America who speaks English is interested in our neighboring country, so his films never get released in America and you almost never read about him.

    This movie is currently on Netflix.

    I don't want to overplay Estrada -- he's in the tier below the Three Amigos who get to come to Hollywood to make big budget movies in English in America like Gravity and Birdman. But there's a fair amount of movie and TV talent in Mexico. And Estrada is the main filmmaker directly engaging with what ought to be a pretty interesting question: why is Mexico the way it is? But in America the only fashionable response to Mexico is to avert one's eyes and change the subject.

    A handful of rightist Irish Catholic Americans are still carrying on the John Ford tradition of being interested in Mexico -- Cormac McCarthy, Mel Gibson, and Vince Gilligan (Breaking Bad). And Andy Garcia, a conservative Cuban Catholic, made a Mexico movie a few years back. Oliver Stone, who has a certain amount of Catholic ethnicity and conservative leanings that he tries to keep in the closet, touched a little on Mexico in "Savages" in 2012.

    But in general, Mexico has just receded over the commentariat's horizon.

    Oliver Stone has conservative leanings? Please do tell.

  17. @Ed
    Somewhat off topic Coates wins a MacAthur Genius grant.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/09/2015-macarthur-genius-grants-announced/407758/?utm_source=SFTwitter

  18. @Steve Sailer
    It's the opening scene of Luis Estrada's 2014 movie "La Dictadura Perfecta," which was the highest grossing domestic release in Mexico last year:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/video-mexican-president-requests-open-borders-from-american-ambassador/?highlight=luis+estrada

    Estrada is a pretty good satirical director -- this is his 4th feature film -- but nobody in America who speaks English is interested in our neighboring country, so his films never get released in America and you almost never read about him.

    This movie is currently on Netflix.

    I don't want to overplay Estrada -- he's in the tier below the Three Amigos who get to come to Hollywood to make big budget movies in English in America like Gravity and Birdman. But there's a fair amount of movie and TV talent in Mexico. And Estrada is the main filmmaker directly engaging with what ought to be a pretty interesting question: why is Mexico the way it is? But in America the only fashionable response to Mexico is to avert one's eyes and change the subject.

    A handful of rightist Irish Catholic Americans are still carrying on the John Ford tradition of being interested in Mexico -- Cormac McCarthy, Mel Gibson, and Vince Gilligan (Breaking Bad). And Andy Garcia, a conservative Cuban Catholic, made a Mexico movie a few years back. Oliver Stone, who has a certain amount of Catholic ethnicity and conservative leanings that he tries to keep in the closet, touched a little on Mexico in "Savages" in 2012.

    But in general, Mexico has just receded over the commentariat's horizon.

    Steve,

    I am part way through watching it. Its seems a good film. Actually you are lucky to be living north of Mexico rather than Africa.

  19. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    All the amateur political consultant, is it not understood that these candidates have, you know, actual pollsters working for them? They know what states are in play and they have, like, information.

    Check out Sean Trende’s work for one. Turnout is most of the game. The demographic with the most upside in that game is Hispanic. Trump is doing everything that needs to be done there.

    You really think the electoral playing field is changing for the better from 2012? Returning to historic turnout and vote shares for other demographics means the segment with the largest potential to improve in terms of heft is Latino. But by all means keep piling on

  20. Jeb Bush is still bitter about the famous rapper who said his brother does not care about Black people. Jeb has hated Non Latino Black people ever since Hurricane Katrina in 2005.

    The reason I say Non Latino Black is because I doubt Jeb Bush holds a grudge against Black Cubans and Black Colombians for example. He probably wants more of them here in the U.S. Jeb Bush just loves Spanish speaking people in general regardless of their skin color. If your first language is Spanish than you are automatically his amigo.

  21. It’s easy to come off as “deeply insulting” simply by advocating various core leftist policies, but not in their preferred terminology.

  22. Transethnic Jeb represents, like transgender Caitlyn Jenner and transracial Rachel Dolezal, the future. In an increasingly Hispanic and Asian America, African Americans are just going to have to get used to less White Guilt.

    Well, Hispanics yes, Asians no:

    As I recall, East Asian birth citizenship tourists are a tiny fraction of the hundreds of thousands of annual births on American soil given by illegal alien parents from Latin America, but sure, the vast demographic changes and high welfare usage are Asian problems, not Hispanic ones according to Jeb.

    Perhaps this is a part of Jeb’s Florida-orientation (Florida has a large Hispanic population as California does, but it has comparatively few Asians).

  23. @Steve Sailer
    It's the opening scene of Luis Estrada's 2014 movie "La Dictadura Perfecta," which was the highest grossing domestic release in Mexico last year:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/video-mexican-president-requests-open-borders-from-american-ambassador/?highlight=luis+estrada

    Estrada is a pretty good satirical director -- this is his 4th feature film -- but nobody in America who speaks English is interested in our neighboring country, so his films never get released in America and you almost never read about him.

    This movie is currently on Netflix.

    I don't want to overplay Estrada -- he's in the tier below the Three Amigos who get to come to Hollywood to make big budget movies in English in America like Gravity and Birdman. But there's a fair amount of movie and TV talent in Mexico. And Estrada is the main filmmaker directly engaging with what ought to be a pretty interesting question: why is Mexico the way it is? But in America the only fashionable response to Mexico is to avert one's eyes and change the subject.

    A handful of rightist Irish Catholic Americans are still carrying on the John Ford tradition of being interested in Mexico -- Cormac McCarthy, Mel Gibson, and Vince Gilligan (Breaking Bad). And Andy Garcia, a conservative Cuban Catholic, made a Mexico movie a few years back. Oliver Stone, who has a certain amount of Catholic ethnicity and conservative leanings that he tries to keep in the closet, touched a little on Mexico in "Savages" in 2012.

    But in general, Mexico has just receded over the commentariat's horizon.

    Now that it’s not safe to visit, I’m going to Hawaii.

  24. @snorlax
    The Dems have anticipated this possible development and are importing Africans as fast as is humanly possible.

    The people who dislike american blacks more than anybody are …. African blacks.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    Dems don't care what blacks think about each other. (Remember when Bill Clinton flew back from Belfast for high-level discussions on ending the Crip/Blood and East Coast/West Coast rivalries?)

    What they care about is

    1. Do they vote Dem?
    2. Do they hate whitey?
    3. Are they completely dysfunctional?

    1 is good for love, 1 & 2 earns lovelove, the threefer and progs lovelovelove you.

  25. @Luke Lea
    I liked it better when Hillary said she was "disappointed" with Trump's remarks about illegal immigrants. The patronizing sense of superiority becomes her. She'll be dynamite at the polls.

    Never underestimate the self-satisfied hauteur of the average Hillary fan..

  26. @a boy and his dog
    Just wait until the Democrats force black churches to marry transsexuals. The alliance will come crashing down...

    P.C. strictures, by their very definition, are only enforced against White Christians, the Enemy of Humanity.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    I didn't know Tracy Morgan was a "White Christian". He should stay out of the sun.
  27. @Ed
    Republicans win by winning "real America" that includes doing reasonably well with blacks, any other strategy is a sure loser.

    And it would indeed work, which explains the MSM full-court press against The Donald.

  28. @gruff
    OT

    brooklyn gentrification white vs white
    yeah I can't figure it out either
    http://mic.com/articles/125758/brooklyn-gentrification-white-privilege-video-is-going-viral

    (still OT, sorry)
    So in London’s Shoreditch there’s this cafe called Cereal Killer Cafe where you pay high prices to eat various branded cereals. Check out the picture of these hipster twins…
    http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2014/dec/09/cereal-killer-cafe-london-breakfast
    Now there’s been an anti-gentrification riot called the Fuck Parade that smashed things up a bit at the cafe and was generally very rude and a bit scary.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/27/shoreditch-cereal-cafe-targeted-by-anti-gentrification-protesters
    (reminds me of the Louis CK awesome possum tshirt skit where he contemplates violence against hipsters in various ways).

    So I google Shoreditch and I come upon this article:

    A Champagne bath bar is coming to Shoreditch
    http://www.standard.co.uk/goingout/bars/a-champagne-bath-bar-is-coming-to-shoreditch-a2954757.html

    I think it’s not a joke.

    None of this is a joke.

    This is real life. Of a sort.

    Where’s the nearest ISIS recruiting centre again?

    • Replies: @gruff
    Fighting nonwhites is too risky.
    , @Simon in London
    SJWs (the attackers) hate Hipsters (the victims).
    , @Marty
    The one with the tattoos is straight?
  29. @Ed
    Somewhat off topic Coates wins a MacAthur Genius grant.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/09/2015-macarthur-genius-grants-announced/407758/?utm_source=SFTwitter

    Thanks, I’ll post.

  30. @European-American
    (still OT, sorry)
    So in London's Shoreditch there's this cafe called Cereal Killer Cafe where you pay high prices to eat various branded cereals. Check out the picture of these hipster twins...
    http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2014/dec/09/cereal-killer-cafe-london-breakfast
    Now there's been an anti-gentrification riot called the Fuck Parade that smashed things up a bit at the cafe and was generally very rude and a bit scary.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/27/shoreditch-cereal-cafe-targeted-by-anti-gentrification-protesters
    (reminds me of the Louis CK awesome possum tshirt skit where he contemplates violence against hipsters in various ways).

    So I google Shoreditch and I come upon this article:

    A Champagne bath bar is coming to Shoreditch
    http://www.standard.co.uk/goingout/bars/a-champagne-bath-bar-is-coming-to-shoreditch-a2954757.html

    I think it's not a joke.

    None of this is a joke.

    This is real life. Of a sort.

    Where's the nearest ISIS recruiting centre again?

    Fighting nonwhites is too risky.

  31. @gruff
    OT

    brooklyn gentrification white vs white
    yeah I can't figure it out either
    http://mic.com/articles/125758/brooklyn-gentrification-white-privilege-video-is-going-viral

    To me the solution is pretty obvious — this is “white” vs. white and not white vs. white.

    Still not getting it. How about this example. Nearly 50 years ago the “white” feminist Susan Sontag called the white race the cancer of human history. Presumably, given the events that took place in Germany in the 30’s and 40’s, she was not including “whites” as a subset of whites.

    This is why “whites” feel so free to wage war on white privilege and push white guilt so hard since they see themselves as excluded from the group of people called white.

    Get it now?

    • Replies: @gruff
    They're one step ahead of you, as usual:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/09/22/jews-in-america-struggled-for-generations-to-become-white-now-we-must-give-up-that-privilege-to-fight-racism/
  32. @(((Owen)))
    The Fox clip would be better if you could hear what he's actually saying instead of a voice over.

    I believe Fox used to run the Coca-Cola distributorship in Querétaro. I'm sure he understands about underpaying Mexicans for medium and low skill work.

    Jeb is happy to play hispanics off against blacks trying to win the votes of the former. That's bad for our country, of course; racial tension is bad enough as it is and that's the angriest divide at present.

    The worst is the stupidity of that strategy, though. The key swing states are OH, NH, IA, CO, NV, VA, PA, and FL. CO and NV are small and Bush should have his home state of FL sewn up if he's at all competitive against Clinton. NH and IA are 99% white. That leaves OH, VA, and PA where racial politics will matter.

    Guess what happens in those states if you get the tiny smattering of hispanics and alienate the large black community? Bush can't win without two of the three and Black Votes Matter. Hispanics don't live in swing states.

    so true, PA and Ohio have few hispanics, but many working class blacks who see their influence will wane with the increased immigration…

    Trump would win PA and Ohio and maybe even NJ, as he would get significant support from Blacks. Most of the hispanics in NJ and PA are Puerto Rican, thus will not vote for Jeb , as Mexican immigration is not a concern for them.

    No republican has much chance of getting the Puerto Rican vote, which is why Jeb could lose Florida, too many Puerto Ricans have moved to the state since he was governor, although Cubans still out-number Puerto Ricans in Florida , enough Puerto Ricans have moved into FLA since 2012 to make it difficult for any Republican to win there.

    This is the main reason Trump can’t win FLA , too many Puerto Ricans have been moving there.

    • Replies: @Ed
    I've thought for some time that absent a big shakeup in partisan allegiances, over time the Midwest will become more Republican, but Democrats will compensate to some extent by doing better in the south Atlantic states, mainly because of shifting demographics.

    That means the two big swing states, Ohio and Florida, will no longer be swing states and will move in opposite directions, Ohio becoming reliably Republican, and Florida reliably Democratic.

    The prediction is a bit bold for Ohio. There are very few elections in American history where Ohio did not vote for the winner. Florida, on the other hand, was more Democratic than the rest of the country before the central and southern parts got developed in the 1920s, and somewhat more Republican than the rest of the country during the Cold War decades.
  33. @Ed
    Republicans win by winning "real America" that includes doing reasonably well with blacks, any other strategy is a sure loser.

    “Republicans win by winning “real America” that includes doing reasonably well with blacks, any other strategy is a sure loser.”

    The mistake everyone makes is in assuming that “Republican” or “Democratic” politicians much care which party wins. Far too many of them don’t. They are whores who will run for whatever party is winning at the moment, in their district, state, or nation. If their party starts to lose they’re happy to make a quick exit for a big payoff from corporate America, ala Eric Cantor.

    Politicians like Jon Huntsman, Jr. and Lindsey Graham aren’t conservatives. They merely ran as Republicans because in their states that is who wins.

    Likewise, groups like the Chamber of Commerce, etc., don’t care that the massive influx of Third Worlders is moving this country to the Left. They plan to use whatever means possible to do away with and/or corrupt democracy so that it really doesn’t matter where this country is on the political spectrum. If and when it ever does manage to make a difference the billionaires backing those groups will be long dead.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Politicians like Jon Huntsman, Jr. and Lindsey Graham aren’t conservatives. They merely ran as Republicans because in their states that is who wins."

    Lindsey Graham is lying about two things, being a Conservative and being a Heterosexual. He is neither one of those. He is a closet Homosexual and a closet Left Winger.
  34. @European-American
    (still OT, sorry)
    So in London's Shoreditch there's this cafe called Cereal Killer Cafe where you pay high prices to eat various branded cereals. Check out the picture of these hipster twins...
    http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2014/dec/09/cereal-killer-cafe-london-breakfast
    Now there's been an anti-gentrification riot called the Fuck Parade that smashed things up a bit at the cafe and was generally very rude and a bit scary.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/27/shoreditch-cereal-cafe-targeted-by-anti-gentrification-protesters
    (reminds me of the Louis CK awesome possum tshirt skit where he contemplates violence against hipsters in various ways).

    So I google Shoreditch and I come upon this article:

    A Champagne bath bar is coming to Shoreditch
    http://www.standard.co.uk/goingout/bars/a-champagne-bath-bar-is-coming-to-shoreditch-a2954757.html

    I think it's not a joke.

    None of this is a joke.

    This is real life. Of a sort.

    Where's the nearest ISIS recruiting centre again?

    SJWs (the attackers) hate Hipsters (the victims).

  35. @Wilkey
    "Republicans win by winning “real America” that includes doing reasonably well with blacks, any other strategy is a sure loser."

    The mistake everyone makes is in assuming that "Republican" or "Democratic" politicians much care which party wins. Far too many of them don't. They are whores who will run for whatever party is winning at the moment, in their district, state, or nation. If their party starts to lose they're happy to make a quick exit for a big payoff from corporate America, ala Eric Cantor.

    Politicians like Jon Huntsman, Jr. and Lindsey Graham aren't conservatives. They merely ran as Republicans because in their states that is who wins.

    Likewise, groups like the Chamber of Commerce, etc., don't care that the massive influx of Third Worlders is moving this country to the Left. They plan to use whatever means possible to do away with and/or corrupt democracy so that it really doesn't matter where this country is on the political spectrum. If and when it ever does manage to make a difference the billionaires backing those groups will be long dead.

    “Politicians like Jon Huntsman, Jr. and Lindsey Graham aren’t conservatives. They merely ran as Republicans because in their states that is who wins.”

    Lindsey Graham is lying about two things, being a Conservative and being a Heterosexual. He is neither one of those. He is a closet Homosexual and a closet Left Winger.

  36. @(((Owen)))
    The Fox clip would be better if you could hear what he's actually saying instead of a voice over.

    I believe Fox used to run the Coca-Cola distributorship in Querétaro. I'm sure he understands about underpaying Mexicans for medium and low skill work.

    Jeb is happy to play hispanics off against blacks trying to win the votes of the former. That's bad for our country, of course; racial tension is bad enough as it is and that's the angriest divide at present.

    The worst is the stupidity of that strategy, though. The key swing states are OH, NH, IA, CO, NV, VA, PA, and FL. CO and NV are small and Bush should have his home state of FL sewn up if he's at all competitive against Clinton. NH and IA are 99% white. That leaves OH, VA, and PA where racial politics will matter.

    Guess what happens in those states if you get the tiny smattering of hispanics and alienate the large black community? Bush can't win without two of the three and Black Votes Matter. Hispanics don't live in swing states.

    On the other hand, Hillary might be equally clueless. There’s been a lot of talk of Julian Castro as her running mate. A big mistake, since picking him will not increase the Puerto Rican turnout for her in swing states, and Mexicans all live in solidly blue (California) or solidly red (Texas) states. But a black running mate, like Cory Booker, would definitely increase the black turnout – maybe even close to Obama levels.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Cory Booker, who was a football player and student politician at Stanford, is kind of the Manchurian Candidate of Silicon Valley, so he'd probably be a smart choice for Hillary.

    On the other hand, I hear various rumors about his private life: he's gay, he has a white girlfriend in Brooklyn, I don't know.

    , @Jefferson
    " There’s been a lot of talk of Julian Castro as her running mate. A big mistake, since picking him will not increase the Puerto Rican turnout for her in swing states,"

    Why wouldn't Puerto Rican Democratic voters vote for a Democratic Mexican politician? Puerto Ricans have no problem voting for African American Democratic politicians, so I doubt they would have a problem with Mexican politicians as long as they have a D next to their name.
  37. @Hapalong Cassidy
    On the other hand, Hillary might be equally clueless. There's been a lot of talk of Julian Castro as her running mate. A big mistake, since picking him will not increase the Puerto Rican turnout for her in swing states, and Mexicans all live in solidly blue (California) or solidly red (Texas) states. But a black running mate, like Cory Booker, would definitely increase the black turnout - maybe even close to Obama levels.

    Cory Booker, who was a football player and student politician at Stanford, is kind of the Manchurian Candidate of Silicon Valley, so he’d probably be a smart choice for Hillary.

    On the other hand, I hear various rumors about his private life: he’s gay, he has a white girlfriend in Brooklyn, I don’t know.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I thought I was being original, but looking on Google, the term "Manchurian Candidate" comes up a lot in association with Cory Booker.

    But having Google and Facebook pick your VP would probably be a clever move for Hillary.
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    That bit about a white girlfriend might be a problem. I doubt Obama would have pulled anywhere near the black female vote that he did had he been married to a white girl.
  38. @Steve Sailer
    Cory Booker, who was a football player and student politician at Stanford, is kind of the Manchurian Candidate of Silicon Valley, so he'd probably be a smart choice for Hillary.

    On the other hand, I hear various rumors about his private life: he's gay, he has a white girlfriend in Brooklyn, I don't know.

    I thought I was being original, but looking on Google, the term “Manchurian Candidate” comes up a lot in association with Cory Booker.

    But having Google and Facebook pick your VP would probably be a clever move for Hillary.

  39. @countenance
    Blind squirrel found an acorn, did Jeb!?

    Saw the news that Asians are the top minority by 2065.

    I wonder how many of those “Asians” are actually Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, etc. as opposed to Chinese or Vietnamese?

  40. @Steve Sailer
    It's the opening scene of Luis Estrada's 2014 movie "La Dictadura Perfecta," which was the highest grossing domestic release in Mexico last year:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/video-mexican-president-requests-open-borders-from-american-ambassador/?highlight=luis+estrada

    Estrada is a pretty good satirical director -- this is his 4th feature film -- but nobody in America who speaks English is interested in our neighboring country, so his films never get released in America and you almost never read about him.

    This movie is currently on Netflix.

    I don't want to overplay Estrada -- he's in the tier below the Three Amigos who get to come to Hollywood to make big budget movies in English in America like Gravity and Birdman. But there's a fair amount of movie and TV talent in Mexico. And Estrada is the main filmmaker directly engaging with what ought to be a pretty interesting question: why is Mexico the way it is? But in America the only fashionable response to Mexico is to avert one's eyes and change the subject.

    A handful of rightist Irish Catholic Americans are still carrying on the John Ford tradition of being interested in Mexico -- Cormac McCarthy, Mel Gibson, and Vince Gilligan (Breaking Bad). And Andy Garcia, a conservative Cuban Catholic, made a Mexico movie a few years back. Oliver Stone, who has a certain amount of Catholic ethnicity and conservative leanings that he tries to keep in the closet, touched a little on Mexico in "Savages" in 2012.

    But in general, Mexico has just receded over the commentariat's horizon.

    I got my gut feelings about Mexico from Sam Peckinpah–The Wild Bunch and, especially, Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    You see THE COUNSELOR?

    Bleakest film in long long time.

    And the final chapter of THE GETAWAY by Jim Thompson is bone-chilling.

    And TOUCHEZ OF EVILEZ. Yikez.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU25WxQksXE

    , @(((Owen)))
    The Wild Bunch and Bring Me The Head Of Alfredo Garcia are still among the most informative movies about Mexico, but 150 and 50 years old respectively. Get The Gringo and El Infierno should be on the 2010s list.
  41. @Travis
    so true, PA and Ohio have few hispanics, but many working class blacks who see their influence will wane with the increased immigration...

    Trump would win PA and Ohio and maybe even NJ, as he would get significant support from Blacks. Most of the hispanics in NJ and PA are Puerto Rican, thus will not vote for Jeb , as Mexican immigration is not a concern for them.

    No republican has much chance of getting the Puerto Rican vote, which is why Jeb could lose Florida, too many Puerto Ricans have moved to the state since he was governor, although Cubans still out-number Puerto Ricans in Florida , enough Puerto Ricans have moved into FLA since 2012 to make it difficult for any Republican to win there.

    This is the main reason Trump can't win FLA , too many Puerto Ricans have been moving there.

    I’ve thought for some time that absent a big shakeup in partisan allegiances, over time the Midwest will become more Republican, but Democrats will compensate to some extent by doing better in the south Atlantic states, mainly because of shifting demographics.

    That means the two big swing states, Ohio and Florida, will no longer be swing states and will move in opposite directions, Ohio becoming reliably Republican, and Florida reliably Democratic.

    The prediction is a bit bold for Ohio. There are very few elections in American history where Ohio did not vote for the winner. Florida, on the other hand, was more Democratic than the rest of the country before the central and southern parts got developed in the 1920s, and somewhat more Republican than the rest of the country during the Cold War decades.

  42. @Harry Baldwin
    I got my gut feelings about Mexico from Sam Peckinpah--The Wild Bunch and, especially, Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia.

    You see THE COUNSELOR?

    Bleakest film in long long time.

    And the final chapter of THE GETAWAY by Jim Thompson is bone-chilling.

    And TOUCHEZ OF EVILEZ. Yikez.

  43. ….Dems Woo ….

    When I first glanced at Steve’s title, I thought “Dems Woo” was some sort of black vernacular in the style of Mark Twain, like “dem’s sho is woo black voters”…but I had no idea what “woo” was.

    And I thought, wow, Jeb said that? I’m weird.

    • Replies: @Hrw-500
    Yeah, looks like a broken clock is right twice on a day and that broken clock is Jeb.

    The trouble is, the black will still vote Democrat for the remaining 150 years from what I read once about that quote attributed or misattributed to Lyndon Baines Johnson who had said "I'll have those *** voting Democrat for two-hundred years".
    https://twg2a.wordpress.com/tag/lbj-quotes/

  44. @J1234

    ....Dems Woo ....
     
    When I first glanced at Steve's title, I thought "Dems Woo" was some sort of black vernacular in the style of Mark Twain, like "dem's sho is woo black voters"...but I had no idea what "woo" was.

    And I thought, wow, Jeb said that? I'm weird.

    Yeah, looks like a broken clock is right twice on a day and that broken clock is Jeb.

    The trouble is, the black will still vote Democrat for the remaining 150 years from what I read once about that quote attributed or misattributed to Lyndon Baines Johnson who had said “I’ll have those *** voting Democrat for two-hundred years”.
    https://twg2a.wordpress.com/tag/lbj-quotes/

    • Replies: @Hrw-500
    The 1st link is broken, sorry for the inconvience. http://tinyurl.com/lbj200years
  45. @Hrw-500
    Yeah, looks like a broken clock is right twice on a day and that broken clock is Jeb.

    The trouble is, the black will still vote Democrat for the remaining 150 years from what I read once about that quote attributed or misattributed to Lyndon Baines Johnson who had said "I'll have those *** voting Democrat for two-hundred years".
    https://twg2a.wordpress.com/tag/lbj-quotes/

    The 1st link is broken, sorry for the inconvience. http://tinyurl.com/lbj200years

  46. @Steve Sailer
    Cory Booker, who was a football player and student politician at Stanford, is kind of the Manchurian Candidate of Silicon Valley, so he'd probably be a smart choice for Hillary.

    On the other hand, I hear various rumors about his private life: he's gay, he has a white girlfriend in Brooklyn, I don't know.

    That bit about a white girlfriend might be a problem. I doubt Obama would have pulled anywhere near the black female vote that he did had he been married to a white girl.

    • Replies: @dcite
    They arranged everything well ahead of time, with all the right blanks filled in. Presidents are selected by the real powers long before they assume office. He's a puppet with the right supporting puppets. It's all a joke on us all, black and white. Looked at in the long-view, it's almost unifying if people only understood what happened.
    , @Pericles
    If you're a black politician, never get caught with a white girlfriend or a black boyfriend.
  47. @Hapalong Cassidy
    On the other hand, Hillary might be equally clueless. There's been a lot of talk of Julian Castro as her running mate. A big mistake, since picking him will not increase the Puerto Rican turnout for her in swing states, and Mexicans all live in solidly blue (California) or solidly red (Texas) states. But a black running mate, like Cory Booker, would definitely increase the black turnout - maybe even close to Obama levels.

    ” There’s been a lot of talk of Julian Castro as her running mate. A big mistake, since picking him will not increase the Puerto Rican turnout for her in swing states,”

    Why wouldn’t Puerto Rican Democratic voters vote for a Democratic Mexican politician? Puerto Ricans have no problem voting for African American Democratic politicians, so I doubt they would have a problem with Mexican politicians as long as they have a D next to their name.

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    My point is that the Ricans would not be any more likely to vote for a Mexican Denocrat than they would a Black or White Democrat, and overall voter turnout for Ricans would be the same regardless. Mexicans turnout would likely increase, but Mexicans tend not to live in swing states. A lot of Ricans live in the swing states of Pennsylvania and Florida, however. Is there a Puerto Rican candidate that could be Hillary's running mate? That's the only way Puerto Rican turnout would be greater than it would be otherwise.
  48. @Harry Baldwin
    I got my gut feelings about Mexico from Sam Peckinpah--The Wild Bunch and, especially, Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia.

    The Wild Bunch and Bring Me The Head Of Alfredo Garcia are still among the most informative movies about Mexico, but 150 and 50 years old respectively. Get The Gringo and El Infierno should be on the 2010s list.

  49. @Anon
    The people who dislike american blacks more than anybody are .... African blacks.

    Dems don’t care what blacks think about each other. (Remember when Bill Clinton flew back from Belfast for high-level discussions on ending the Crip/Blood and East Coast/West Coast rivalries?)

    What they care about is

    1. Do they vote Dem?
    2. Do they hate whitey?
    3. Are they completely dysfunctional?

    1 is good for love, 1 & 2 earns lovelove, the threefer and progs lovelovelove you.

  50. Ya know Hapalong, real scandals (collapsing borders, Benghazi) never quite seem to gain traction against Barry. I’ve long thought if the GOP wanted to hurt Obama their dirty tricks squad would come up with faked “proof” of Barry putting the wood to a white girl behind Michelle’s back . I doubt you could draft and arm enough Secret Service agents to keep the mobs of black women with pitchforks away from Barry.

  51. @European-American
    (still OT, sorry)
    So in London's Shoreditch there's this cafe called Cereal Killer Cafe where you pay high prices to eat various branded cereals. Check out the picture of these hipster twins...
    http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2014/dec/09/cereal-killer-cafe-london-breakfast
    Now there's been an anti-gentrification riot called the Fuck Parade that smashed things up a bit at the cafe and was generally very rude and a bit scary.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/27/shoreditch-cereal-cafe-targeted-by-anti-gentrification-protesters
    (reminds me of the Louis CK awesome possum tshirt skit where he contemplates violence against hipsters in various ways).

    So I google Shoreditch and I come upon this article:

    A Champagne bath bar is coming to Shoreditch
    http://www.standard.co.uk/goingout/bars/a-champagne-bath-bar-is-coming-to-shoreditch-a2954757.html

    I think it's not a joke.

    None of this is a joke.

    This is real life. Of a sort.

    Where's the nearest ISIS recruiting centre again?

    The one with the tattoos is straight?

  52. @Jefferson
    " There’s been a lot of talk of Julian Castro as her running mate. A big mistake, since picking him will not increase the Puerto Rican turnout for her in swing states,"

    Why wouldn't Puerto Rican Democratic voters vote for a Democratic Mexican politician? Puerto Ricans have no problem voting for African American Democratic politicians, so I doubt they would have a problem with Mexican politicians as long as they have a D next to their name.

    My point is that the Ricans would not be any more likely to vote for a Mexican Denocrat than they would a Black or White Democrat, and overall voter turnout for Ricans would be the same regardless. Mexicans turnout would likely increase, but Mexicans tend not to live in swing states. A lot of Ricans live in the swing states of Pennsylvania and Florida, however. Is there a Puerto Rican candidate that could be Hillary’s running mate? That’s the only way Puerto Rican turnout would be greater than it would be otherwise.

  53. Ironic seeing as how blacks gave whites free stuff for thousands of years by building go the country

    So, you see black enslavement and tax-theft against whites as crimes.

  54. @a boy and his dog
    Just wait until the Democrats force black churches to marry transsexuals. The alliance will come crashing down...

    Your comment reminded me of something (at my age, most things do).

    I once stopped a Pugetopolis Unitarian dinner party cold in its tracks when the discussion came around to bashing southern Christian churches and gleefully predicting a day when same-sex couples would be shoved into whatever orifices of the faithful.

    I warmly and earnestly agreed, as, I noted, the AME churches I grew up around were the most homophobic ones I’ve ever encountered. I was looking forward to the day when the African Methodist Episcopal churches were forced to marry gays.

    Choking and gulping noises preceded a long period of silence, then a topic change. Still, I presume they all doubled down on the Christian-bashing in their own minds, and made the walls between rational thought and race even higher and thicker.

  55. @Steve Sailer
    It's the opening scene of Luis Estrada's 2014 movie "La Dictadura Perfecta," which was the highest grossing domestic release in Mexico last year:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/video-mexican-president-requests-open-borders-from-american-ambassador/?highlight=luis+estrada

    Estrada is a pretty good satirical director -- this is his 4th feature film -- but nobody in America who speaks English is interested in our neighboring country, so his films never get released in America and you almost never read about him.

    This movie is currently on Netflix.

    I don't want to overplay Estrada -- he's in the tier below the Three Amigos who get to come to Hollywood to make big budget movies in English in America like Gravity and Birdman. But there's a fair amount of movie and TV talent in Mexico. And Estrada is the main filmmaker directly engaging with what ought to be a pretty interesting question: why is Mexico the way it is? But in America the only fashionable response to Mexico is to avert one's eyes and change the subject.

    A handful of rightist Irish Catholic Americans are still carrying on the John Ford tradition of being interested in Mexico -- Cormac McCarthy, Mel Gibson, and Vince Gilligan (Breaking Bad). And Andy Garcia, a conservative Cuban Catholic, made a Mexico movie a few years back. Oliver Stone, who has a certain amount of Catholic ethnicity and conservative leanings that he tries to keep in the closet, touched a little on Mexico in "Savages" in 2012.

    But in general, Mexico has just receded over the commentariat's horizon.

    “what ought to be a pretty interesting question: why is Mexico the way it is?”

    Oh, Mr. Sailer. There you go yet again, violating the most fundamental tenet of pomo existentialism.

    Claiming that essence precedes existence.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Oh, Mr. Sailer. There you go yet again, violating the most fundamental tenet of pomo existentialism.

     

    "Pomo" looks like "porno" on a cellphone. Not that it makes a difference; just letting you know.
  56. @Kyle McKenna
    P.C. strictures, by their very definition, are only enforced against White Christians, the Enemy of Humanity.

    I didn’t know Tracy Morgan was a “White Christian”. He should stay out of the sun.

  57. @Olorin
    "what ought to be a pretty interesting question: why is Mexico the way it is?"

    Oh, Mr. Sailer. There you go yet again, violating the most fundamental tenet of pomo existentialism.

    Claiming that essence precedes existence.

    Oh, Mr. Sailer. There you go yet again, violating the most fundamental tenet of pomo existentialism.

    “Pomo” looks like “porno” on a cellphone. Not that it makes a difference; just letting you know.

  58. @Hapalong Cassidy
    That bit about a white girlfriend might be a problem. I doubt Obama would have pulled anywhere near the black female vote that he did had he been married to a white girl.

    They arranged everything well ahead of time, with all the right blanks filled in. Presidents are selected by the real powers long before they assume office. He’s a puppet with the right supporting puppets. It’s all a joke on us all, black and white. Looked at in the long-view, it’s almost unifying if people only understood what happened.

  59. @Shine a Light
    To me the solution is pretty obvious -- this is "white" vs. white and not white vs. white.

    Still not getting it. How about this example. Nearly 50 years ago the "white" feminist Susan Sontag called the white race the cancer of human history. Presumably, given the events that took place in Germany in the 30's and 40's, she was not including "whites" as a subset of whites.

    This is why "whites" feel so free to wage war on white privilege and push white guilt so hard since they see themselves as excluded from the group of people called white.

    Get it now?
  60. @Hapalong Cassidy
    That bit about a white girlfriend might be a problem. I doubt Obama would have pulled anywhere near the black female vote that he did had he been married to a white girl.

    If you’re a black politician, never get caught with a white girlfriend or a black boyfriend.

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