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From the newest NYT Opinion columnist, who in terms of small d diversity is an awful lot like previous NYT Opinion columnists:

The Jocks Will Inherit the Earth

What we learned from the Kavanaugh ordeal.

By Jennifer Senior
Opinion Columnist

Oct. 6, 2018

… But Kavanaugh’s confirmation also proves something that every former high school freak, floater or orchestra nerd has secretly known all along: The overlords of the cafeteria really do inherit the earth.

For those who lived at the margins during high school — and I was one of them, an adolescent made of nerve endings and giant hair and an outsize desire to ingratiate — this is a bitter pill to swallow. The fantasy in most of our imaginations (and Hollywood’s: See “Heathers” or “Mean Girls”) is that this gang gets its comeuppance once it’s disgorged into the real world.

But it doesn’t. The academic literature about the fate of the high school in crowd is quite clear. The Renate alumni do very, very well. The future has a name, and it is Squi.

Perhaps the most imaginative paper to support this idea was published in 2001. The psychologist Jacquelynne Eccles and two colleagues asked 900 10th graders in Michigan to determine which of the “Breakfast Club” characters they identified with the most: the Jock, the Brain, the Princess, the Basket Case or the Criminal. (A tad crude? Sure. But find me another study involving John Hughes that survived peer review.)

Roughly a decade later, the researchers checked in. The male Jocks still had the highest self-esteem. They also drank more than any other group, even the Criminals. The Brains were next. (“I liked beer. I still like beer.”)

In 2012, a group of economists published an intriguing paper showing that popular boys in adolescence earned 10 percent more than those with low status — 35 years later. High school popularity had consequences, including lucrative ones, in the labor market.

“Whether you’re looking at popularity, athletic status or attractiveness — all of the data tell you the same thing,” the sociologist Robert Crosnoe, president of the Society for Research on Adolescence, told me. “You carry forward into adulthood this legacy of how you operated when you were in high school. What better training ground to learn that you have power and wield it? And why wouldn’t you think you’re good enough to yell at senators on live television and be a Supreme Court justice 40 years later? You’ve had 40 years of confirming evidence!”

Crosnoe himself published a book in 2013 about the enduring effects of high school, noting that men and women who were rated good-looking as teenagers made more money than their peers who were merely rated average, even 15 years later, regardless of how they looked in their 30s. He used a sample of thousands of people. …

Now does this mean that former geeks and outsiders don’t stand a fighting chance in adult life? Of course not. The tech world is teeming with triumphant nerds, and in 2008 we saw the brilliant ascent of an outsider in politics.

Uh, Obama was a popular, dedicated jock in prep school, who chose Occidental College in part because he thought he’d have a chance of walking on the basketball team (he quickly found out when he got there that he was in no way good enough for even Division III B-Ball).

Socially, he was quickly adopted at college as a social ornament by the very rich Pakistani crowd, friends of the Bhuttos.

Barack Obama felt betwixt and between throughout his adolescence, at loose ends about his racial identity and his place in the world.

Obama’s post college girlfriend in NYC was the daughter of the Australian intelligence officer who later was appointed Australia’s ambassador to the US. She was the stepdaughter of a prominent Washington lawyer (whose dad was a famous Washington lawyer) and he was head lawyer for one of the world’s biggest mining companies.

Obama was always seen by elites as a cool guy destined by his excellent manners and mild charisma for a career in international relations, such as the Foreign Service.

It was only when he began working as a community organizer that he began to see the many points of commonality he had with his fellow humans.

Oh, boy.

Obama’s girlfriend during his community organizer years wasn’t some girl from the ‘hood, she was a Eurasian grad student at U. of Chicago who became an academic expert on Korea and is now tenured at Oberlin.

“They’d offer a story to match or confound mine, a knot to bind our experiences together — a lost father, an adolescent brush with crime, a wandering heart, a moment of simple grace,” he wrote in “Dreams From My Father.” “As time passed, I found that these stories, taken together, had helped me bind my world together, that they gave me the sense of place and purpose I’d been looking for.”

Actually, it took Obama all the way until his 40th birthday, after he got over his year-long depression after being defeated by Bobby Rush in 2000, to understand how best to market himself: as the black politician that liberal whites have been dreaming of: the guy who is genetically black enough but who acts like a white Foreign Service officer.

Politics became a means for him to reduce the distances between people, and therefore to reduce their sense of shame.

Whereas insiders, members of an exclusive club, tend to induce shame, not reduce it. Which may explain why this moment has surfaced so many ancient feelings of teenage dread. ..

Jennifer Senior, who most recently was a daily book critic for The Times, is a new Opinion columnist.

 
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  1. Referencing the first of Steve Sailer’s blog in this series – Here is an article I believe the Onion will run one day:

    Nerds, Dorks, and Geeks join Black Lives Matter after being picked on by White Jocks

    For Lewis Skolnick, the breaking points came when the white football team quarterback of Adams College carried him out of the electrical engineering lab, stuffed him into the trunk of their pickup truck, drove him to the front campus, attached his underwear to the string of the flagpole, and hoisted him thirty feet in the air. “I was so traumatized,” Lewis stuttered in a frightened voice. “If only we had so black students to protect me from being spat on every day…”
    Lewis is now working with Black Lives Matter to increase the percentage of black students on campus in the hopes that they will protect him from white jocks and bullies…

  2. So a question has been burning in my mind all through this – is the movie Revenge of the Nerds really an allegory for the struggle for jewish emancipation against the oppressive WASP establishment?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    I was going to bring up a really saccharine speech from a RotN sequel, because it looks like the source of the quoted opinion piece. "Has society rejected you? Join the other so-called losers and vote Democrat!"
    , @Svigor
    Well, it's the J-Left uprising vs. Whites, yes. One leader is Jewish and on the make, the other is Anglo-Saxon and not. Very much a coalition of the fringes.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    Just remember who comes to the rescue of the nerds at the end of the movie and then you'll have your answer.

    The Illinois Nazis had it right:

    The Jew, is using the black, as muscle against you.
    , @BlackFlag
    Maybe people on the right should stop gloating about people on the left being nerds. Maybe the bullying system that many smart whites experience in HS is partially responsible for why so many smart whites defect nowadays.

    The idea of putting young adults into a kindergarten zoo/prison is insane for other reasons as well.
    , @Mr. Anon
    A lot of movies and television shows, going back years, have had that subtext.

    For the life of me, I can't imagine why that would be the case.
    , @NickG

    So a question has been burning in my mind all through this – is the movie Revenge of the Nerds really an allegory for the struggle for jewish emancipation against the oppressive WASP establishment?
     
    I'm not sure, but the last few minutes of the Graduate is; for sure.
    , @IHTG
    You mean the movie excoriated by SJWs for its treatment of women and cited multiple times this month as an example of the culture Brett Kavanaugh grew up in?
  3. Jocks?

    What happened to the predicted rule by billionaire Tech Nerds ?

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas

    Jocks?

    What happened to the predicted rule by billionaire Tech Nerds ?

     

    Well, it's right for them to rule, you see, because they're disproportionately Jewish (like the author! go figure!) and were awkward looking and didn't enjoy themselves in high school (like the author! go figure!) and hard left leaning (like the author! go figure!).

    Kavanaugh doesn't appear to have been a stereotypical jock at all. My guess is that this woman has little understanding of the internal workings of an all boys Roman Catholic Prep school and is projecting her own experience in areas it doesn't apply. We presume he was an outstanding student in high school, fairly well disciplined and self motivated despite relatively benign beer drinking hijinks (accepted at Yale is the tell). He played interscholastic football and some JV basketball in what was probably a league consisting of similar small private schools for competative parity. We don't even know whether he started or got much playing time and he doesn't appear to have been a fixture of the newspapers high school sports coverage. There's not really all that much bullying and nerd harassment because: a) they're all selected for a high level of academic performance by getting admitted to the prep school; and, b) they're not jockeying with one another during the school day for the attention of teen girls. Outside of school it's more likely that they didn't bother with any real nerds than that they actively harassed them.
    , @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    They were having a heck of time ruling the cafeteria in the last administration, but then the jocks showed up.
    , @Anonymous
    The 'Kavanaugh ordeal' says nothing about Jennifer Senior, or her high school situation. I'm not sure why everything in the news today must serve to illustrate of some unrelated fixation of the author.

    Sometimes Jocks do OK in life, sometimes they don't. Sometimes Nerds do great things too. Some people don't even fit into the nerd/jock binary. There's always a need to glean some 'moral of the story' parable in every event now days.

  4. It was only when he began working as a community organizer that he began to see the many points of commonality he had with his fellow humans.

    We are fortunate that Obama – this demi-God – deigned walk among we mere mortals made of clay.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    This description puts an image of Mark Zuckerberg into one's head.
    Elon Musk is kind of an idiot sometimes but we aren't worried about what species he belongs to.
  5. Isn’t Justin Trudeau the closest thing to a stereotypical untroubled, non-introspective, privileged jock among Western heads of state?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Right. Justin Trudeau is a lightweight, but he's kind of a natural leader for Canada, the good-looking, boyish, athletic prince who inherits the realm from the saturnine king.
  6. Speaking of fantasy candidates for white folks– the 1st post-Kav trial balloon went over like a lead, uh, tweet:

    http://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/10/05/susan-thunderdome-susan-rice-ready-to-run-against-sen-susan-collins-in-maine-a/

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Lefty policy wonk Matt Stoller tore into two black Dems on Saturday, one of whom was Susan Rice.

    https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/status/1048708699458588672?s=21
  7. @Mr. Anon

    It was only when he began working as a community organizer that he began to see the many points of commonality he had with his fellow humans.
     
    We are fortunate that Obama - this demi-God - deigned walk among we mere mortals made of clay.

    This description puts an image of Mark Zuckerberg into one’s head.
    Elon Musk is kind of an idiot sometimes but we aren’t worried about what species he belongs to.

  8. @Enochian
    So a question has been burning in my mind all through this - is the movie Revenge of the Nerds really an allegory for the struggle for jewish emancipation against the oppressive WASP establishment?

    I was going to bring up a really saccharine speech from a RotN sequel, because it looks like the source of the quoted opinion piece. “Has society rejected you? Join the other so-called losers and vote Democrat!”

  9. I think the “U Mad, Bro?” criticism of Kavanaugh is pregnant with an admission that they probably don’t even realize they’re making – viz, that they really don’t find Ford or the other allegations all that credible themselves. To them, accusing the man of being a gang rape ring organizer was just a bit of rough treatment, perhaps a bit more than the usual, but something he should understand was really just the employment of the tool readily at hand to sink his nomination. Nothing personal. A bit of sport, really. The shouting at the Senators was out of line to them because he’s supposed to understand that Senators – half of whom appear to be running for President – are supposed to use slanders for political ends. It’s all a big game, and one they were supposed to win just by rolling out the false allegations serially – he was supposed to withdraw according to the tacit Rules of the game, but instead reacted as if, get this, people were accusing him of terrible crimes of which he was innocent.

    Booker seemed to have given the game away a bit with his “doesn’t matter if he’s guilty or innocent” comments. It doesn’t matter, and never did, because the Democrats thought they’d won at that point according to the Rules of their game and his obstinance and persistence after that point was really bad form.

    • Replies: @midtown
    This is the first time I've heard someone express this, but watching this debate, it struck me the same way. The right was absolutely outraged by character assassination, and the left seemed caught off guard that anyone would be bothered by these charges. They tried to compare it to the Garland non-confirmation. Both would have been denied a seat; what's the difference? The character assassination point sails right past them.
    , @Pericles
    "Don't take it personal, it's divorce court."
  10. Artist’s conception of anti-Kav pundits’ high school experiences.

  11. @Chris Mallory
    Jocks?

    What happened to the predicted rule by billionaire Tech Nerds ?

    Jocks?

    What happened to the predicted rule by billionaire Tech Nerds ?

    Well, it’s right for them to rule, you see, because they’re disproportionately Jewish (like the author! go figure!) and were awkward looking and didn’t enjoy themselves in high school (like the author! go figure!) and hard left leaning (like the author! go figure!).

    Kavanaugh doesn’t appear to have been a stereotypical jock at all. My guess is that this woman has little understanding of the internal workings of an all boys Roman Catholic Prep school and is projecting her own experience in areas it doesn’t apply. We presume he was an outstanding student in high school, fairly well disciplined and self motivated despite relatively benign beer drinking hijinks (accepted at Yale is the tell). He played interscholastic football and some JV basketball in what was probably a league consisting of similar small private schools for competative parity. We don’t even know whether he started or got much playing time and he doesn’t appear to have been a fixture of the newspapers high school sports coverage. There’s not really all that much bullying and nerd harassment because: a) they’re all selected for a high level of academic performance by getting admitted to the prep school; and, b) they’re not jockeying with one another during the school day for the attention of teen girls. Outside of school it’s more likely that they didn’t bother with any real nerds than that they actively harassed them.

    • Replies: @anon

    b) they’re not jockeying with one another during the school day for the attention of teen girls.
     
    Whenever i say i went to a Catholic boys' school (in dc, no less), this is basically my response to "how was it?" As a nerd i was grateful.
    , @Old Palo Altan
    An excellent analysis, the most important point of which is that Jesuit high schools in America were always highly selective.
    Only those who passed the difficult entrance exam got in, and each was assigned a place in a rigid hierarchy which continued right through the next four years from the 30 or so most intelligent in the top class to the 30 or so stupidest in the lowest. No apologies, and no breaks.

    It worked very well.

    Maybe this had stopped by Kavanaugh's time; if not, it would be very interesting to know where he placed from day one.
    , @Marty T
    Kav was basketball team captain at Prep. I wonder if that has something to do with how he became friends with varsity ballers at Yale.
  12. Oh these people are all about sensitive, soft-sp0ken nerds. That’s why they love Africans so much.

  13. Merely surprised that out genial host still gives credit to this Obama’s girlfriend cover story. Now perhaps this girl was there to party with this collection of manliness and cocaine, but not unheard of there’s enough ambiguity to pretend just enough to make it look okay to those asking such questions. Sounds like Merv Griffin asking Liberace about his never-ending search for that one special girl. From the Paki boyfriend to the Chicago bathhouses and Rev Wright’s down low club and Larry Sinclair to Reggie Love, can we stop pretending?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Obama does a lot of stuff that very few people realize almost no gay men do, like play golf a lot and watch SportsCenter religiously.. Maybe it's just an elaborate ruse to fool Steve Sailer, but it seems to be working.
  14. Reporter shocked to find out that popular kids turn into popular adults who in turn have an advantage in politics, a profession whole dependent on popularity.

    • Agree: Patrick in SC
  15. Jennifer Senior doesn’t seem to be important enough to have a Wikipedia page yet, but one image search later, I’m betting she’s Jewish.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Back in 2005, Jennifer Senior was very upset over the Cochran-Harpending theory of Ashkenazi IQ:

    https://isteve.blogspot.com/2005/10/cochran-harpending-theory-is-not-good.html

    , @Svigor
    Yeah there were quite a few hits that smelled like that on the first page of search results for "Jennifer Senior Jewish," stuff that very few non-Jews write about - but once in a while they do.
  16. @Enochian
    So a question has been burning in my mind all through this - is the movie Revenge of the Nerds really an allegory for the struggle for jewish emancipation against the oppressive WASP establishment?

    Well, it’s the J-Left uprising vs. Whites, yes. One leader is Jewish and on the make, the other is Anglo-Saxon and not. Very much a coalition of the fringes.

  17. @Alec Leamas

    Jocks?

    What happened to the predicted rule by billionaire Tech Nerds ?

     

    Well, it's right for them to rule, you see, because they're disproportionately Jewish (like the author! go figure!) and were awkward looking and didn't enjoy themselves in high school (like the author! go figure!) and hard left leaning (like the author! go figure!).

    Kavanaugh doesn't appear to have been a stereotypical jock at all. My guess is that this woman has little understanding of the internal workings of an all boys Roman Catholic Prep school and is projecting her own experience in areas it doesn't apply. We presume he was an outstanding student in high school, fairly well disciplined and self motivated despite relatively benign beer drinking hijinks (accepted at Yale is the tell). He played interscholastic football and some JV basketball in what was probably a league consisting of similar small private schools for competative parity. We don't even know whether he started or got much playing time and he doesn't appear to have been a fixture of the newspapers high school sports coverage. There's not really all that much bullying and nerd harassment because: a) they're all selected for a high level of academic performance by getting admitted to the prep school; and, b) they're not jockeying with one another during the school day for the attention of teen girls. Outside of school it's more likely that they didn't bother with any real nerds than that they actively harassed them.

    b) they’re not jockeying with one another during the school day for the attention of teen girls.

    Whenever i say i went to a Catholic boys’ school (in dc, no less), this is basically my response to “how was it?” As a nerd i was grateful.

  18. @Chris Mallory
    Jocks?

    What happened to the predicted rule by billionaire Tech Nerds ?

    They were having a heck of time ruling the cafeteria in the last administration, but then the jocks showed up.

  19. Cnn nailed it tonight.

    Trump takes indirect aim at Kavanaugh accusers.

  20. “I’m not her boyfriend!” I shouted. I ran up to Coretta and gave her a slight shove; she staggered back and looked up at me, but still said nothing. “Leave me alone!” I shouted again. And suddenly Coretta was running, faster and faster, until she disappeared from sight. Appreciative laughs rose around me. Then the bell rang, and the teachers appeared to round us back to class.

    -also from “Dreams from my Father”.

  21. in 2008 we saw the brilliant ascent of an outsider in politics.

    Oh! Wait! I know this one! We actually elected a real outsider president!!

    Someone who had, hmm… absolutely no political experience whatever!

    2008? Was it really 2008? Gee, who can even remember back that far.

    All I can remember is that The Establishment really didn’t like it.

    Not even a little. In fact, they declared total war on the guy.

    Can anyone help? His name is on the tip of my tongue.

  22. @Enochian
    So a question has been burning in my mind all through this - is the movie Revenge of the Nerds really an allegory for the struggle for jewish emancipation against the oppressive WASP establishment?

    Just remember who comes to the rescue of the nerds at the end of the movie and then you’ll have your answer.

    The Illinois Nazis had it right:

    The Jew, is using the black, as muscle against you.

  23. @Alec Leamas
    I think the "U Mad, Bro?" criticism of Kavanaugh is pregnant with an admission that they probably don't even realize they're making - viz, that they really don't find Ford or the other allegations all that credible themselves. To them, accusing the man of being a gang rape ring organizer was just a bit of rough treatment, perhaps a bit more than the usual, but something he should understand was really just the employment of the tool readily at hand to sink his nomination. Nothing personal. A bit of sport, really. The shouting at the Senators was out of line to them because he's supposed to understand that Senators - half of whom appear to be running for President - are supposed to use slanders for political ends. It's all a big game, and one they were supposed to win just by rolling out the false allegations serially - he was supposed to withdraw according to the tacit Rules of the game, but instead reacted as if, get this, people were accusing him of terrible crimes of which he was innocent.

    Booker seemed to have given the game away a bit with his "doesn't matter if he's guilty or innocent" comments. It doesn't matter, and never did, because the Democrats thought they'd won at that point according to the Rules of their game and his obstinance and persistence after that point was really bad form.

    This is the first time I’ve heard someone express this, but watching this debate, it struck me the same way. The right was absolutely outraged by character assassination, and the left seemed caught off guard that anyone would be bothered by these charges. They tried to compare it to the Garland non-confirmation. Both would have been denied a seat; what’s the difference? The character assassination point sails right past them.

  24. Anonymous[101] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chris Mallory
    Jocks?

    What happened to the predicted rule by billionaire Tech Nerds ?

    The ‘Kavanaugh ordeal’ says nothing about Jennifer Senior, or her high school situation. I’m not sure why everything in the news today must serve to illustrate of some unrelated fixation of the author.

    Sometimes Jocks do OK in life, sometimes they don’t. Sometimes Nerds do great things too. Some people don’t even fit into the nerd/jock binary. There’s always a need to glean some ‘moral of the story’ parable in every event now days.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    I don't expect much from anyone who posts as "Anonymous", but you have really missed the point.
    For the last decade or so we have been told that it was "Revenge of the Nerds" with computer geeks becoming the highly paid CEOs leaving the Jocks behind to push brooms.

    The Obama regime didn't have a "jock" in it. No, I don't count Israeli ballet dancers as jocks.
  25. Earlier this week, to counter the Kavanaugh drinking charges, some MAGAs on Twitter shared this ridiculous Obama interview in which he claims he was a thug, etc.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    I’m pretty sure Obama never drank a six-pack in an hour, let alone an hour before class.
  26. @Dave Pinsen
    Earlier this week, to counter the Kavanaugh drinking charges, some MAGAs on Twitter shared this ridiculous Obama interview in which he claims he was a thug, etc.

    https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1047562943066296321?s=21

    I’m pretty sure Obama never drank a six-pack in an hour, let alone an hour before class.

    • Replies: @njguy73

    I’m pretty sure Obama never drank a six-pack in an hour, let alone an hour before class.
     
    No, he just lit a doobie and get baked. Obama was one primo dude. Not like Romney, that uptight narc.
    , @Anonymous
    What if they were Zimas?
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    I think that six-pack quote proves he didn't know what the FFFFFFFFF**k he was talking about.

    My God, is he stoned in that interview? No, that's just the way he talks. It takes forever to get anything out, if it's not on a teleprompter.

    , @William Badwhite
    Or that he was a "thug". I'd be willing to bet he's never been in a fight, or if he has, has never been the winner.
  27. I thought the nerds were the bullies now, and the jocks were woke.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/11/opinion/sunday/nerds-lebron-james-elon-musk.html?ref=oembed

    I’m so confused.

  28. @Dave Pinsen
    I’m pretty sure Obama never drank a six-pack in an hour, let alone an hour before class.

    I’m pretty sure Obama never drank a six-pack in an hour, let alone an hour before class.

    No, he just lit a doobie and get baked. Obama was one primo dude. Not like Romney, that uptight narc.

  29. What we learned from the Kavanaugh ordeal.

    Leftist journalists are always saying, “What We Learned From _______”, yet that which they claim to have learned from is usually some hyped up partisan controversy that has degenerated into simplistic arguments (sometimes on both sides) that, frankly, would be difficult to learn anything of value from, at least as presented by the newspaper they work for. And that would explain a lot about leftist journalists…and their “learning.”

  30. “Socially, [Obama] was quickly adopted at college as a social ornament by the very rich Pakistani crowd, friends of the Bhuttos.”

    Shocker, considering his mother was a CIA asset under non-official cover while working and living abroad.

    I’ll believe the official story of 911 long before accepting that the miraculous rise of a so-so social activist Choomer to POTUS via a few connected girlfriends wasn’t instead aided by more than a few serendipitous intercessions by very well-connected people and organisations along the way. He was groomed long before the Pakis got their hands on him.

  31. I can honestly say that I have never given one second’s thought to high school in any way, shape, or form, since the moment I graduated.

    WTF people.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    I can honestly say that I have never given one second’s thought to high school in any way, shape, or form, since the moment I graduated.
     
    I absolutely agree. High school left no lasting impression on me because the whole thing was completely artificial.

    My high school graduation day was such a surreal experience. I was not happy, not proud, not excited. The only thing I could think of was "What a 13-year waste of time." It's a pretty bemusing feeling to realize that you're leaving childhood behind you, but your stock of pure youthful experiences contains this huge black inclusion body known as "school." Over time that foreign mass is steadily excreted and eliminated.

    I am confident that within my lifetime we will see the abolition of universal compulsory public schooling. As the mind-child of 19th century Bismarckianism and its progressive statist ideas, it is already long past its expiration date and is, in its present form, completely unaffordable. Generation Z will get rid of it.
  32. @Dave Pinsen
    I’m pretty sure Obama never drank a six-pack in an hour, let alone an hour before class.

    What if they were Zimas?

    • Replies: @njguy73
    It couldn't have been Zimas. Obama went to college in the 80s, not the 90s like me. Besides, I was more of a Mad Dog 20/20 person.
  33. @Dave Pinsen
    I’m pretty sure Obama never drank a six-pack in an hour, let alone an hour before class.

    I think that six-pack quote proves he didn’t know what the FFFFFFFFF**k he was talking about.

    My God, is he stoned in that interview? No, that’s just the way he talks. It takes forever to get anything out, if it’s not on a teleprompter.

  34. @Enochian
    So a question has been burning in my mind all through this - is the movie Revenge of the Nerds really an allegory for the struggle for jewish emancipation against the oppressive WASP establishment?

    Maybe people on the right should stop gloating about people on the left being nerds. Maybe the bullying system that many smart whites experience in HS is partially responsible for why so many smart whites defect nowadays.

    The idea of putting young adults into a kindergarten zoo/prison is insane for other reasons as well.

    • Replies: @Kaz
    As someone who graduated highschool almost~10 years ago. I feel like a lot of this weird high school hierarchy was pretty much ending.

    'Dumb jocks' weren't respected, but the ones that balanced school/sports/social were. People at the 'top' were for the most part nice. I didn't really notice any strict hierarchy going on, overlords of the cafeteria? How silly..
    , @Desiderius
    Maybe, but the truth is probably close to the opposite. Like the kids whose houses were so clean they end up with impaired immune systems kids who grow up without conflict end up inordinately afraid of it and bereft of strategies for effectively dealing with it.
  35. It’s pretty funny that Obama, the first black president, was a benchwarmer on his high school basketball team. This could have been a goldmine for comedians…

  36. Anon[926] • Disclaimer says:

    I think that the point is that there is a moderate to high correlation between certain factors observable in high school, and evenual success. And I think that’s true. But it’s not 100 percent predictive, any more than IQ perfectly predicts SES.

    Factors that would be visible in high school that would portend success include:

    – IQ

    – Physical symmetry, a part of good looks, and associated with not having underlying genetic defects, and at least somewhat associated with IQ

    – Five-factor personality traits that lend themselves to success

  37. Wouldn’t it be better if we didn’t have multiculturalism? Wouldn’t it be nicer to have a unifying identity?

    • Replies: @BlackFlag
    HS students *are* adults. A 16 year old female is a mature woman. A 35 year old female is an old woman. For males, add a few years. What a surprise that status in early adulthood correlates with status in late adulthood.

    The problem is that we act like this isn't true.
  38. @BlackFlag
    Maybe people on the right should stop gloating about people on the left being nerds. Maybe the bullying system that many smart whites experience in HS is partially responsible for why so many smart whites defect nowadays.

    The idea of putting young adults into a kindergarten zoo/prison is insane for other reasons as well.

    As someone who graduated highschool almost~10 years ago. I feel like a lot of this weird high school hierarchy was pretty much ending.

    ‘Dumb jocks’ weren’t respected, but the ones that balanced school/sports/social were. People at the ‘top’ were for the most part nice. I didn’t really notice any strict hierarchy going on, overlords of the cafeteria? How silly..

    • Replies: @Anon
    I agree. In my kids' very large public high school everyone is so nice. They laughed when I ask them about bullying. Apparently no one gets bullied anymore. Even the football players are 4.0 students aiming for top college.

    Jennifer Senior is showing her age. Jocks and nerds are like so 80's.

  39. @Enochian
    So a question has been burning in my mind all through this - is the movie Revenge of the Nerds really an allegory for the struggle for jewish emancipation against the oppressive WASP establishment?

    A lot of movies and television shows, going back years, have had that subtext.

    For the life of me, I can’t imagine why that would be the case.

  40. One of the nice things about being old is you can see how things turned out for people as they moved through life. Anyhow,

    “popular kids” seemed to fall in three categories (both for my generation and my kids’ generation.) There were kids that were popular because they assumed some of the trappings of adulthood prematurely, for example sexual activity, drug use, etc. The other kids were sorta in awe of these kids because they seemed rebellious and dangerous. This group generally did not go on to great things, in fact usually quite the opposite.

    The second category were kids that were generally ordinary but superlative in one way. For example the extremely pretty but otherwise ordinary girl or the high level athlete who was otherwise a pretty average guy. For these kids, unless they were able to parlay their specific talent into a career they usually ended up doing, well, about average, maybe slightly better than they might have done without their specific talent.

    The other category were kids that were popular because they were generally put together, nice without being doormats, reliable and honest, able to manage and avoid conflict, and talented across a relatively broad spectrum of activities, including both athletics and academics. Notably, they tended not to be the sort of popular kids that certain subgroups actively disliked–they were usually generally liked, and they didn’t inspire a sort of fear/envy reaction. These kids generally went on to very good things in life and I have a feeling they are what is driving the results of the studies mentioned. This type of ‘popular kid’ is pretty much never portrayed in the movies because, well, it would make for a boring movie. But because you don’t see it in the media it just doesn’t really enter the public consciousness as a particular archetype.

  41. @trelane
    Wouldn't it be better if we didn't have multiculturalism? Wouldn't it be nicer to have a unifying identity?

    HS students *are* adults. A 16 year old female is a mature woman. A 35 year old female is an old woman. For males, add a few years. What a surprise that status in early adulthood correlates with status in late adulthood.

    The problem is that we act like this isn’t true.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    HS students *are* adults. A 16 year old female is a mature woman. A 35 year old female is an old woman.
     
    Citation needed.
  42. @Kaz
    As someone who graduated highschool almost~10 years ago. I feel like a lot of this weird high school hierarchy was pretty much ending.

    'Dumb jocks' weren't respected, but the ones that balanced school/sports/social were. People at the 'top' were for the most part nice. I didn't really notice any strict hierarchy going on, overlords of the cafeteria? How silly..

    I agree. In my kids’ very large public high school everyone is so nice. They laughed when I ask them about bullying. Apparently no one gets bullied anymore. Even the football players are 4.0 students aiming for top college.

    Jennifer Senior is showing her age. Jocks and nerds are like so 80′s.

  43. @Svigor
    Jennifer Senior doesn't seem to be important enough to have a Wikipedia page yet, but one image search later, I'm betting she's Jewish.

    Back in 2005, Jennifer Senior was very upset over the Cochran-Harpending theory of Ashkenazi IQ:

    https://isteve.blogspot.com/2005/10/cochran-harpending-theory-is-not-good.html

  44. @BlackFlag
    HS students *are* adults. A 16 year old female is a mature woman. A 35 year old female is an old woman. For males, add a few years. What a surprise that status in early adulthood correlates with status in late adulthood.

    The problem is that we act like this isn't true.

    HS students *are* adults. A 16 year old female is a mature woman. A 35 year old female is an old woman.

    Citation needed.

  45. @Bugg
    Merely surprised that out genial host still gives credit to this Obama's girlfriend cover story. Now perhaps this girl was there to party with this collection of manliness and cocaine, but not unheard of there's enough ambiguity to pretend just enough to make it look okay to those asking such questions. Sounds like Merv Griffin asking Liberace about his never-ending search for that one special girl. From the Paki boyfriend to the Chicago bathhouses and Rev Wright's down low club and Larry Sinclair to Reggie Love, can we stop pretending?

    Obama does a lot of stuff that very few people realize almost no gay men do, like play golf a lot and watch SportsCenter religiously.. Maybe it’s just an elaborate ruse to fool Steve Sailer, but it seems to be working.

  46. Of what sort of ancestry is Jennifer Senior? Is that an Hispanic surname?

  47. @Altai
    Isn't Justin Trudeau the closest thing to a stereotypical untroubled, non-introspective, privileged jock among Western heads of state?

    Right. Justin Trudeau is a lightweight, but he’s kind of a natural leader for Canada, the good-looking, boyish, athletic prince who inherits the realm from the saturnine king.

  48. @Enochian
    So a question has been burning in my mind all through this - is the movie Revenge of the Nerds really an allegory for the struggle for jewish emancipation against the oppressive WASP establishment?

    So a question has been burning in my mind all through this – is the movie Revenge of the Nerds really an allegory for the struggle for jewish emancipation against the oppressive WASP establishment?

    I’m not sure, but the last few minutes of the Graduate is; for sure.

  49. @Anonymous
    Speaking of fantasy candidates for white folks-- the 1st post-Kav trial balloon went over like a lead, uh, tweet:
    http://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/10/05/susan-thunderdome-susan-rice-ready-to-run-against-sen-susan-collins-in-maine-a/

    Lefty policy wonk Matt Stoller tore into two black Dems on Saturday, one of whom was Susan Rice.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    The other was Obama v. 1.0 Deval Patrick.

    https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/status/1048702228645773313?s=21
  50. @Enochian
    So a question has been burning in my mind all through this - is the movie Revenge of the Nerds really an allegory for the struggle for jewish emancipation against the oppressive WASP establishment?

    You mean the movie excoriated by SJWs for its treatment of women and cited multiple times this month as an example of the culture Brett Kavanaugh grew up in?

  51. @Dave Pinsen
    Lefty policy wonk Matt Stoller tore into two black Dems on Saturday, one of whom was Susan Rice.

    https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/status/1048708699458588672?s=21

    The other was Obama v. 1.0 Deval Patrick.

  52. @Alec Leamas
    I think the "U Mad, Bro?" criticism of Kavanaugh is pregnant with an admission that they probably don't even realize they're making - viz, that they really don't find Ford or the other allegations all that credible themselves. To them, accusing the man of being a gang rape ring organizer was just a bit of rough treatment, perhaps a bit more than the usual, but something he should understand was really just the employment of the tool readily at hand to sink his nomination. Nothing personal. A bit of sport, really. The shouting at the Senators was out of line to them because he's supposed to understand that Senators - half of whom appear to be running for President - are supposed to use slanders for political ends. It's all a big game, and one they were supposed to win just by rolling out the false allegations serially - he was supposed to withdraw according to the tacit Rules of the game, but instead reacted as if, get this, people were accusing him of terrible crimes of which he was innocent.

    Booker seemed to have given the game away a bit with his "doesn't matter if he's guilty or innocent" comments. It doesn't matter, and never did, because the Democrats thought they'd won at that point according to the Rules of their game and his obstinance and persistence after that point was really bad form.

    “Don’t take it personal, it’s divorce court.”

  53. Is Jennifer Senior related to neocon Dan Senor?

  54. Thing is, the jocks weren’t the worst bullies in any school I ever attended. They might do some rough teasing, but for sheer physical terror, nothing like a bunch of destined-dropouts with alky dads or none.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    You are being disruptive of The Narrative, please stop.
  55. @Anonymous
    The 'Kavanaugh ordeal' says nothing about Jennifer Senior, or her high school situation. I'm not sure why everything in the news today must serve to illustrate of some unrelated fixation of the author.

    Sometimes Jocks do OK in life, sometimes they don't. Sometimes Nerds do great things too. Some people don't even fit into the nerd/jock binary. There's always a need to glean some 'moral of the story' parable in every event now days.

    I don’t expect much from anyone who posts as “Anonymous”, but you have really missed the point.
    For the last decade or so we have been told that it was “Revenge of the Nerds” with computer geeks becoming the highly paid CEOs leaving the Jocks behind to push brooms.

    The Obama regime didn’t have a “jock” in it. No, I don’t count Israeli ballet dancers as jocks.

  56. @theMann
    I can honestly say that I have never given one second's thought to high school in any way, shape, or form, since the moment I graduated.

    WTF people.

    I can honestly say that I have never given one second’s thought to high school in any way, shape, or form, since the moment I graduated.

    I absolutely agree. High school left no lasting impression on me because the whole thing was completely artificial.

    My high school graduation day was such a surreal experience. I was not happy, not proud, not excited. The only thing I could think of was “What a 13-year waste of time.” It’s a pretty bemusing feeling to realize that you’re leaving childhood behind you, but your stock of pure youthful experiences contains this huge black inclusion body known as “school.” Over time that foreign mass is steadily excreted and eliminated.

    I am confident that within my lifetime we will see the abolition of universal compulsory public schooling. As the mind-child of 19th century Bismarckianism and its progressive statist ideas, it is already long past its expiration date and is, in its present form, completely unaffordable. Generation Z will get rid of it.

  57. @Anonymous
    What if they were Zimas?

    It couldn’t have been Zimas. Obama went to college in the 80s, not the 90s like me. Besides, I was more of a Mad Dog 20/20 person.

  58. @Dave Pinsen
    I’m pretty sure Obama never drank a six-pack in an hour, let alone an hour before class.

    Or that he was a “thug”. I’d be willing to bet he’s never been in a fight, or if he has, has never been the winner.

  59. @Rosamond Vincy
    Thing is, the jocks weren't the worst bullies in any school I ever attended. They might do some rough teasing, but for sheer physical terror, nothing like a bunch of destined-dropouts with alky dads or none.

    You are being disruptive of The Narrative, please stop.

  60. @Svigor
    Jennifer Senior doesn't seem to be important enough to have a Wikipedia page yet, but one image search later, I'm betting she's Jewish.

    Yeah there were quite a few hits that smelled like that on the first page of search results for “Jennifer Senior Jewish,” stuff that very few non-Jews write about – but once in a while they do.

  61. @BlackFlag
    Maybe people on the right should stop gloating about people on the left being nerds. Maybe the bullying system that many smart whites experience in HS is partially responsible for why so many smart whites defect nowadays.

    The idea of putting young adults into a kindergarten zoo/prison is insane for other reasons as well.

    Maybe, but the truth is probably close to the opposite. Like the kids whose houses were so clean they end up with impaired immune systems kids who grow up without conflict end up inordinately afraid of it and bereft of strategies for effectively dealing with it.

  62. @Alec Leamas

    Jocks?

    What happened to the predicted rule by billionaire Tech Nerds ?

     

    Well, it's right for them to rule, you see, because they're disproportionately Jewish (like the author! go figure!) and were awkward looking and didn't enjoy themselves in high school (like the author! go figure!) and hard left leaning (like the author! go figure!).

    Kavanaugh doesn't appear to have been a stereotypical jock at all. My guess is that this woman has little understanding of the internal workings of an all boys Roman Catholic Prep school and is projecting her own experience in areas it doesn't apply. We presume he was an outstanding student in high school, fairly well disciplined and self motivated despite relatively benign beer drinking hijinks (accepted at Yale is the tell). He played interscholastic football and some JV basketball in what was probably a league consisting of similar small private schools for competative parity. We don't even know whether he started or got much playing time and he doesn't appear to have been a fixture of the newspapers high school sports coverage. There's not really all that much bullying and nerd harassment because: a) they're all selected for a high level of academic performance by getting admitted to the prep school; and, b) they're not jockeying with one another during the school day for the attention of teen girls. Outside of school it's more likely that they didn't bother with any real nerds than that they actively harassed them.

    An excellent analysis, the most important point of which is that Jesuit high schools in America were always highly selective.
    Only those who passed the difficult entrance exam got in, and each was assigned a place in a rigid hierarchy which continued right through the next four years from the 30 or so most intelligent in the top class to the 30 or so stupidest in the lowest. No apologies, and no breaks.

    It worked very well.

    Maybe this had stopped by Kavanaugh’s time; if not, it would be very interesting to know where he placed from day one.

  63. @Alec Leamas

    Jocks?

    What happened to the predicted rule by billionaire Tech Nerds ?

     

    Well, it's right for them to rule, you see, because they're disproportionately Jewish (like the author! go figure!) and were awkward looking and didn't enjoy themselves in high school (like the author! go figure!) and hard left leaning (like the author! go figure!).

    Kavanaugh doesn't appear to have been a stereotypical jock at all. My guess is that this woman has little understanding of the internal workings of an all boys Roman Catholic Prep school and is projecting her own experience in areas it doesn't apply. We presume he was an outstanding student in high school, fairly well disciplined and self motivated despite relatively benign beer drinking hijinks (accepted at Yale is the tell). He played interscholastic football and some JV basketball in what was probably a league consisting of similar small private schools for competative parity. We don't even know whether he started or got much playing time and he doesn't appear to have been a fixture of the newspapers high school sports coverage. There's not really all that much bullying and nerd harassment because: a) they're all selected for a high level of academic performance by getting admitted to the prep school; and, b) they're not jockeying with one another during the school day for the attention of teen girls. Outside of school it's more likely that they didn't bother with any real nerds than that they actively harassed them.

    Kav was basketball team captain at Prep. I wonder if that has something to do with how he became friends with varsity ballers at Yale.

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