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Throughout the 21st Century, one of the most popular pseudoscience dogmas has been that Science Proves Race Does Not Exist. The pernicious influence of the 2000 ceremony Bill Clinton presided over for the Human Genome Project has been particularly long-lived. Both Clinton and Francis Collins made disingenuous remarks that could easily be interpreted as supporting the crystallizing orthodoxy, while leaving themselves weaselly outs, but entrepreneur Craig Venter went all the way:

Craig Venter: The method used by Celera has determined the genetic code of five individuals. We have sequenced the genome of three females and two males, who have identified themselves has Hispanic, Asian, Caucasian or African American. We did this sampling not in an exclusionary way, but out of respect for the diversity that is America, and to help illustrate that the concept of race has no genetic or scientific basis. .. In the five Celera genomes, there is no way to tell one ethnicity from another.

But if it anybody were interested in doing simple reality checks in their own minds, this goodthink couldn’t stand. For example, why is PBS running African-American Studies professor Henry Louis Gates’ “Finding Your Roots” series in which the big reveal at the end is when he tells celebrities what percentage of their ancestors were European, black, American Indian, and so forth according to a genetics test?

For example, Condi Rice turns out to be 51% black, 40% European, and 9% Asian. Linda Chavez turns out to be only 6% Native American. Some minor Latino actress (Michelle Rodriguez?) is “appalled” to discover she’s 72.4% European.

But here’s the big question: If the conventional wisdom has been lying to you about something as obviously false as Race Does Not Exist, what else has it been lying to you about?

 
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  1. Priss Factor [AKA "Skyislander"] says:

    “Some minor Latino actress (Michelle Rodriguez) is “appalled” to discover she’s 72.4% European.”

    You can’t blame bimbos. They have a herd mentality when it comes to ideas. In another time, she would have been stressing her whiteness.

    At any rate, she may not be much of an actress but she has star power. Maybe B-movie star power but definitely star power. She has the stare of a predator. Pretty cool in RESIDENT EVIL.

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  2. Priss Factor [AKA "Skyislander"] says:

    “For example, Condi Rice turns out to be 51% black, 40% European, and 9% Asian.”

    If the nicer and smarter blacks tend to mix and have kids with whites, won’t the remaining black population become even dumber and blacker?

    Or will the dumb blacks mix with the dumb whites?

    Then, won’t we have two classes of mixed-race folks?

    The high mulattoes and the low mulattoes?

    Condi Rice over here and ‘whigga’ over there.

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  3. dearieme says:

    Is Mr Gates the one who’s 70% bicycle?

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  4. Sam says:

    George Lopez also had a portion of his late night show dedicated to revealing the ethnic breakdown of his guests.

    Here is Jessica Alba disappointingly finding out that she is all European. Or she is “oh my god white” as Lopez calls it.

    She is even whiter than Larry David who turns out to be 37 % american indian

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_qFVE9BFJM

    The whole point of this seems to be about celebrating how, hopefully, non-white people turn out to be.

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  5. bleach says:

    “In another time, she would have been stressing her whiteness. ”

    or in another country, like Mexico

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  6. Janon says:

    Larry David isn’t actually 37% American Indian. That’s a testing artifact that Megan Smolenyak addressed in this article:

    Autosomal tests offered today are based on dense, genome-wide scans which allow us to investigate combinations of multiple SNPs – and that leads to my one quibble with what Lopez Tonight is doing. They’re using outdated testing (based on individual SNPs)…

    When Larry David responded as if his 37 percent Native American results were a joke, his instincts were correct. The best known quirk of the test Lopez Tonight is using is its problem distinguishing between Asian and Native American (understandable, given that if you go back far enough, Native Americans originate from Asia), but a lesser known quirk is its tendency to assign Native American percentages to many of Iberian, Italian and Ashkenazi heritage – and Larry David is Ashkenazi.

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  7. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Larry David 33% American Indian? Sounds unlikely.

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  8. anon says: • Disclaimer

    “She is even whiter than Larry David who turns out to be 37 % american indian”

    That result was flagrantly inaccurate. huffpo link

    TLDR: The DNA test was of 2005 vintage, and was outdated even at the time the Lopez show was recorded in 2010. Show was probably fishing for unusual, ‘interesting’ results. The older tests had large margins of error…today’s are much more refined.

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  9. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    So does Larry David qualify for Indian Casino status? Doesn’t he have enough money?

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  10. Neechian says:

    If that dumb bitch can’t look in the mirror and understand she has a good deal of European ancestry, then her problem, ironically, isn’t her ancestry, it’s her IQ.

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  11. syonredux says:

    RE: Alba,

    How she was stupid* enough to think that she would be substantially Amerind is beyond me. She knows that her mother is French-Danish, and that’s 50% of her ancestry right there. For her to be even be 50% Amerind, her Mexican dad** would have to be 100% Amerind. And a simple visual scan of her Dad would tell anyone that he is definitely not 100% Amerind.

    * Of course, Alba did think that Spain was not part of Europe……

    ** Since Alba is 13% Amerind, that would indicate that her father is 26% Amerind.

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  12. Neechian says:

    Back in the early 90′s the Whitney Museum celebrated its biennial anniversary with a big bash featuring a number of contemporary artists. As visitors entered the museum, they were each asked to wear a wristband containing a single word. As the attendees began interacting with one another, they set about deciphering the meaning of the mysterious wristbands. Slowly the pieces were put together and finally they figured out that the words on the wristbands when arranged correctly formed a sentence, which read as follows: “I cannot imagine wanting to be white.” (Or words to that effect, I’m recalling from Lewis Lapham essay from Harper’s Magazine.

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  13. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Amusingly, the genuinely beautiful Jessica Alba was shocked to learn that she was 87% European on the George Lopez show. Similarly, Eva Longoria was “shaken” to find that she was 70% European.

    AmerIndian features in women — such as being short, stocky, broad-shouldered, round-faced, wide-nosed, and short-necked — simply don’t pass as beautiful either here or in Latin America.

    The Albas and Longorias and other White Hispanics of the world need to start being reminded to “check their privilege.”

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  14. Anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer

    Eva Longoria’s pre-reveal talk, reveal face and then her phony Chicano/Mexican chest pounding are the best from that show. It shocked her to find out how white she was, and she is bad at acting, so the reaction was legit.

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  15. I found the episode with Michelle Rodriguez and had two interesting thoughts from the reveal. The first is MR is about 20% African, but she doesn’t look particularly black. I wonder if the African category includes North Africans as well as sub-Saharan ones in the profile. Linda Chavez however had a more interesting profile if only because she was so substantially Jewish (~20%). I read her bio on Wiki and, funnily enough, she actually converted to Judaism in ’67 when she got married.

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  16. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    “You can’t blame bimbos. They have a herd mentality when it comes to ideas.”

    Not just bimbos, all women. If ugly women could think rationally, they’d be in demand.

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  17. Hubbub says:

    “…the concept of race has no genetic or scientific basis. .. In the five Celera genomes, there is no way to tell one ethnicity from another.” Then my lyin’ eyes tell me that everyone should look and act pretty much the same. To paraphrase Dorothy Parker, “Color may be only skin deep, but race goes all the way to the bone.”

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  18. syonredux says:

    Aristippus:”I found the episode with Michelle Rodriguez and had two interesting thoughts from the reveal. The first is MR is about 20% African, but she doesn’t look particularly black.”

    At 20% Sub-Saharan/Negroid, it’s not surprising that she looks mostly Caucasoid in terms of phenotype.

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  19. “Some minor Latino actress (Michelle Rodriguez?) is “appalled” to discover she’s 72.4% European.”

    I remember seeing some clip where oprah winfrey was “appalled” at learning that she was something like 15% White.

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  20. In the five Celera genomes, there is no way to tell one ethnicity from another.

    Average ability and variance are completely different topics. This is the genetic equivalent of being asked what 5 +3 is and answering ‘Couch’.

    Even if it were proven races can’t be broken down into distinct clusters, clustering/variance does nothing to answer whether races have different average mental facilities. If somehow it were proven races cluster together but there are no average psychological trait differences across race, liberals would be discounting the importance of the former because the latter makes variance irrelevant to policy.

    But as there’s not even a hypothesis why the brain would be more immune to evolution than other complex traits, such as height and risk of disease, liberals – who spent their ‘academic’ careers avoiding hard science and stats courses like the plague – are reduced to spouting statistical mumbo-jumbo about clusters and variance which they don’t have the educational background to understand and which was mathematically debunked decades ago.

    But if slogans make you feel good why care about math?

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  21. If somehow it were proven races cluster together

    races cluster separately

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  22. anon says: • Disclaimer

    “Similarly, Eva Longoria was “shaken” to find that she was 70% European.”

    She shouldn’t have been considering her family members’ phenotypes. She has stated that as a child and the markedly darkest of four sisters, her family gave her the sobriquet “la prieta fea” (ugly dark/brown one). Talk about un-PC.

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  23. “”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””but out of respect for the diversity that is America, and to help illustrate that the concept of race has no genetic or scientific basis. .. “””””””””””””””””””””””””””

    Good, then it’s perfectly okay if the US abolishes Affirmative Action, set asides, quotas, and other laws that are largely based on….what? A figment of something that does not scientifically exist.

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  24. If “white privilege” really existed then all these people would not be so dismayed to discover how white they are.

    We’ve come a long way from when non-whites “passed” as white. In modern America we have people who are mostly white genetically trying hard to “pass” as non-white.

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  25. Lot says:

    23andme said I’m 100% european, which is true, a worthy mix of askenazi, german, british, and slav. the percentages suggested by 23andme were all within 8% of my own estimates based on a pretty complete family tree.

    it is a fun thing to do, $110 for the first person, and discounted to $80 for different kits on the same order. the best way is to do yourself and your parents.

    their method is based on comparing you to their old world users from unmixed ancestry. thus they find certain bits of your genome that are, say, almost only found in Poles, compared to the number only found in Brits.

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  26. So, Michelle Rodriguez, (someone I’ve never previously heard of), is ‘appalled’ that she is ’72.4% European’.

    If any incident can encapsulate the reality of race relations in the modern day USA it’s that. Michelle Rodriguez not only feels the need to brag about heer contempt for her European ancestry, but also the little act of indignation is tacitly accepted, if not fully endorsed by the entire media/industrial complex. You know, it’s the ‘cool’ and ‘trendy’ thing to do and adds ‘moral validation’ to a certain act fashionable disavowal.
    All I can say is this – Imagine if a white celebrity, minor or otherwise expressed contempt at being ’7.2%’ Amerindian, subsaharan African or East Asian even. Do you think that that individual would ever work again?

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  27. Brock says:

    Michelle rodriguez is not a minor actress.

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  28. dearieme says:

    “Larry David 37% American Indian: how?

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  29. Susie says:

    I’ve always known that Condi Rice looks technically biracial and it’s been confirmed by her biracial genetics (50% white/50% black). African-American actresses such as Nia Long and Faune A. Chambers resemble biracial mulattas in looks as well (e.g. yellow-brown skin, shoulder length curly hair, cute face with more delicate features, more Caucasoid body type). Those biracial types tend to exist in Ethiopia somewhat, which is known for being mixed in genetics with Arab blood and generally practice cousin arranged marriages as a custom (inbreeding).

    Pure sub-Saharan African black women tend to resemble Alek Wek (Sudanese model) or Oluchi Onweagaba (Nigerian model) with short coarse hair, dark brown skin and harsher Negroid facial/body features. Some resemble Naomi Campbell as well (British model). But very few black women look Ethiopian, or Somali, which is mixed-race hot zones and where both mulattos and quadroons tend to exist more.

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  30. >>TLDR: The DNA test was of 2005 vintage, and was outdated even at the time the Lopez show was recorded in 2010. Show was probably fishing for unusual, ‘interesting’ results. The older tests had large margins of error…today’s are much more refined.<>…today’s are much more refined.<<

    They were probably saying that in 2005, too.

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  31. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Famous women these days want the benefits of the physical features of a white woman and also the genetic pedigree of an “oppressed minority.” Seems like they’re upset they can’t have both — but I think we all know which one they’d choose when given the choice between one or the other.

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  32. the words on the wristbands when arranged correctly formed a sentence, which read as follows: “I cannot imagine wanting to be white.”

    Frank Zappa was an early adopter of this sentiment. From “Trouble Every Day” (1966): Hey, you know something people? I’m not black. But there’s a whole lots a times. I wish I could say I’m not white.

    I assume he was not the first white person to express revulsion at his own race. I wonder who was?

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  33. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    As far as Larry David’s DNA test goes >>>>

    July 9, 2012 at 2:52 am
    This test,the old and outdated Ancestrybydna 2.5 from DNA DiagnosticsCenter,assigns Native American oor East Asian to Jewish/Middle Eastern and Southern Europeans.If Larry David ever takes amore updated test like Familytreedna’s PopulationFinder,the results won’t say Native American,just Middle Eastern

    http://tv.powwows.com/video/2012/07/08/larry-davids-interview-and-dna-test/#

    This faulty test was revealed on George Lopez show

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  34. BB753 says:

    This whole “I wanna be black” (Lou Reed) trend started with the Beatniks. Norman Mailer, Jack Kerouack, etc.

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  35. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “23andme said I’m 100% european, which is true, a worthy mix of askenazi, german, british, and slav. the percentages suggested by 23andme were all within 8% of my own estimates based on a pretty complete family tree.”

    How can you be 100% European if you have some Ashkenazi (which is partly Middle Eastern) ancestry?

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    Practically all Europeans, other than maybe some Sardinian mountain shepherds, show a lot of fairly recent Middle Eastern ancestry, since ancient European hunter-gatherers were largely displaced by invading Fertile Crescent farmers.
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    "23andme said I’m 100% european, which is true, a worthy mix of askenazi, german, british, and slav. the percentages suggested by 23andme were all within 8% of my own estimates based on a pretty complete family tree."

    How can you be 100% European if you have some Ashkenazi (which is partly Middle Eastern) ancestry?

    Practically all Europeans, other than maybe some Sardinian mountain shepherds, show a lot of fairly recent Middle Eastern ancestry, since ancient European hunter-gatherers were largely displaced by invading Fertile Crescent farmers.

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  37. anon says: • Disclaimer

    “How can you be 100% European if you have some Ashkenazi (which is partly Middle Eastern) ancestry?”

    He probably meant Caucasian.

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  38. SD says:

    Izo:
    “it is a fun thing to do, $110 for the first person, and discounted to $80 for different kits on the same order. the best way is to do yourself and your parents.”

    If you’re testing both your biological parents them there’s really no need to test yourself.

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  39. anon says: • Disclaimer

    “If you’re testing both your biological parents them there’s really no need to test yourself.”

    Not technically. You don’t necessarily receive exactly 25% of the autosome from each grandparent– it’s only on average.

    A Razib Khan blog post explores…

    This chart (which is embedded in Khan’s blog post) shows the specific distributions a grandchild receives from a grandparent, and it’s dependent on the the parent’s sex. (The values need to be divided by two to get percentage of the child’s autosome).

    So take the question: what percentage of Barack Obama’s daughters’ autosome is of European origin (and for simplicity’s sake, we’ll assume Michelle is 100% Sub-Saharan African, even though, in all likelihood, she isn’t).

    On average they’d be 25% European. But on the extremes, the daughters independently have a 1/200 chance of being only 10% white as well as a 1/200 chance of being 40% white.

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  40. anon says: • Disclaimer

    To add to the prior comment… if we assume Michelle is, at least, of 20% European origin (exclusive), the daughters will each have a 1/200 chance of being more white than Obama himself is!

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  41. “How can you be 100% European if you have some Ashkenazi (which is partly Middle Eastern) ancestry?”

    Ashkenazi like Spielberg and Zuckerberg clearly evolved in northern Europe. They’d have trouble passing even for southern or south-eastern Europeans.

    And pure-breds like Spielberg and Zuckerberg aren’t even representative of Jews today. 71% of the latest generation of Whites with Jewish ancestry marry non-Jews. (Source: google search “Jews 71 percent”).

    Anti-Semitism (and code word anti-Semitism that uses “the tribe,” etc.) is the WW1-propaganda-style desire to kill Dianna Agron, Jake Gyllenhaal, and Nobel Prize winners working on cures for cancer. It’s a scream to society: “Don’t let us achieve anything. If you do, you’ll regret it.”

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  42. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Anti-Semitism (and code word anti-Semitism that uses “the tribe,” etc.) is the WW1-propaganda-style desire to kill Dianna Agron, Jake Gyllenhaal, and Nobel Prize winners working on cures for cancer. It’s a scream to society: “Don’t let us achieve anything. If you do, you’ll regret it.”

    Or maybe (in its postmodern form) it’s a meme that evolved to avert catastrophe:

    http://www.parapundit.com/archives/009489.html#precomments

    I should emphasize that I agree that Jews are self-destructively buying their own material now. It didn’t use to be the problem that it has become, however. At this point it appears Jews are hyper-parasitized by subsaharan Africans, but the mechanisms are different in that relationship. It is the intimate contact between Jews and Africans in the high population density urban centers that is now driving Jewish behavior — a relationship that extends at least back to the slave trade and quite possibly clear back to the Dynastic Nubia.

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  43. Anon,

    What’s your position on the upcoming children of these White couples?

    -Armie Hammer & [his White wife]
    -Gwyneth Paltrow & Chris Martin
    -Mila Kunis & Ashton Kutcher
    -Rachael Weisz & Daniel Craig
    -Scarlett Johannson & [her White boyfriend]

    Wanting to kill their White children seems like the Boer Wars: the Boer and British southern Africans fighting each other when they were surrounded by millions of Zulus who hated them both.

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  44. “So take the question: what percentage of Barack Obama’s daughters’ autosome is of European origin (and for simplicity’s sake, we’ll assume Michelle is 100% Sub-Saharan African, even though, in all likelihood, she isn’t).

    On average they’d be 25% European. But on the extremes, the daughters independently have a 1/200 chance of being only 10% white as well as a 1/200 chance of being 40% white.”

    - Well, if we are betting on race horses, I’m willing to bet based on how black those two are, that they’re definitely not in the 40% range.

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