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Ron Unz’s old enemy from the 1998 battle over bilingual public education in California, Univision-owner Jerry Perenchio, died recently. Now, his main house, the Beverly Hillbillies mansion, is said to go on sale for $350 million.

From Variety:

Word on the Platinum Triangle real estate street is that the epic Bel Air compound of recently deceased media tycoon A. Jerrold “Jerry” Perenchio is set to hit the market an elephantine asking price of $350,000,000, making it the most expensive property available on the open market in the United States.

The 10.3-acre spread, known as Chartwell, is anchored by an imperial, limestone-faced chateau-style mansion of about 25,000-square-feet designed by architect Sumner Spaulding in the 1930s for a property developer who built it as a gift for his wife who, unfortunately for him, hated its unabashed opulence and never moved in.

The exteriors were used as The Beverly Hillbillies’ house back in the 1960s. When I was a kid it was quite visible from Bel Air Road. “Hey, there’s the Beverly Hillbillies house. It’s in Bel-Air, not Beverly Hills,” we’d say as we drove past. There didn’t seem to be much more to say.

… The main portion of the property incorporates five contiguous parcels, one of which is the longtime residence of Ronald and Nancy Reagan that was purchased by Mister Perenchio June 2016 for $15 million, and there are two more non-contiguous properties located across the street. …

Presumably, some if not most of Mister Perenchio’s other residential real estate holdings will eventually be sold off. They include a nearly 5,000-square-foot penthouse atop the prestigious Museum Tower in Midtown Manhattan as well as a private golf course that abuts the guard-gated Colony enclave in Malibu wherein the media mogul owned more than half of a dozen of the homes including three directly on the beach.

… in the early 1990s he partnered with Mexican media mogul Emilio Azcárraga Milmo to buy the Spanish language Univision television network that they sold in 2007 for $13.5 billion to investor Haim Saban’s Saban Capital Group, Inc.

Haim is of course another perennial iSteve favorite.

Jerry was the main donor against Ron’s anti-bilingual education Proposition 227 in 1998 because he worried that if Mexicans learned English, they’d stop watching Sabado Gigante on his network and watch something better on English language TV. He managed to unload Univision on Saban at the top of the market in 2007 just before the Housing Bubble popped.

 
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  1. They also die, should be the only redeeming factor.

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    You can't take it with you. Death, the ultimate sign of weakness. In the case of Jerry Perenchio, he's now a loser in life.
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  2. Chartwell gives losers a clue
    What lacking all scruples can do.
    A career as a vulture
    Dividing the culture
    With content we Clampetts won’t view.

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  3. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @theo the kraut
    They also die, should be the only redeeming factor.

    You can’t take it with you. Death, the ultimate sign of weakness. In the case of Jerry Perenchio, he’s now a loser in life.

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    • Replies: @bomag

    Death, the ultimate sign of weakness.
     
    A bit harsh.

    His legacy carries on, a legacy of turning the US into a non-English speaking shantytown with the good stuff reserved for those of his mindset.
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  4. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I loved the Beverly Hillbillies. That would be so cool to own the house, with its “see-ment” pond. But $350 million is a little out of my price range.

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    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    Give it a try in the french Loire region or Burgundy - not to mention the Lorraine. Ten - or even one per cent of 350 millions sometimes will buy you a really nice castle or palace.
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  5. unit472 says:

    Interesting how California fortunes were made. In the 19th century it was mining and railroad tycoons who had the big money and built the Flood and Hearst mansions. Property developers were supreme by mid 20th century to be followed by telecom tycoons and now it is some guy with some software.

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  6. @Anonymous
    I loved the Beverly Hillbillies. That would be so cool to own the house, with its "see-ment" pond. But $350 million is a little out of my price range.

    Give it a try in the french Loire region or Burgundy – not to mention the Lorraine. Ten – or even one per cent of 350 millions sometimes will buy you a really nice castle or palace.

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    Problem with that idea is the 25%/annum property taxes.

    No, not a typo.
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  7. bomag says:
    @Anonymous
    You can't take it with you. Death, the ultimate sign of weakness. In the case of Jerry Perenchio, he's now a loser in life.

    Death, the ultimate sign of weakness.

    A bit harsh.

    His legacy carries on, a legacy of turning the US into a non-English speaking shantytown with the good stuff reserved for those of his mindset.

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  8. fnn says:

    I wonder if the antifa/SJWs are aware they have lost one of their leaders.

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  9. Make sure to watch Sabado Gigante. It is a hoot. The cast of characters from dwarves to buxom beauties and the silly games is so uncool it is cool.

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    The Mexican workers at one of my former employers used to watch some other show similar to that in the lunch room during their breaks. I was always awestruck by the level of genius required to be able to produce a piece of entertainment so low-brow that it made HeeHaw look like The Magic Flute.
    , @Desiderius
    Oh wait, thought you were talking about the Beverly Hillbillies there.
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  10. peterike says:

    Let us all praise Elly Mae!

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    Music to remember Elly May by: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n7dtAosWqM
    , @Truth
    Dude with a wig, please stop.

    Some of them are just too damn obvious.

    , @anonymous
    I was just thinking, he had enough money to actually hire Donna Douglas to dress up like Ellie Maye, and hang around the cement pond in a bathing suit, EVERY SINGLE DAY!

    If I said, "hey, Donna. I'll pay you $5M a year, if you'll just show up here when I ask you, and act like Ellie Maye all day. Also, once a month, I'll ask you to have a threesome with myself, and "Mary Ann" from 'Gilligan's Island,'" you don't think she'd do it?

    I think she would. I'll bet they did!
    , @Macumazahn
    Indeed. One could (and, before the days of television, many did) live one's entire life and never see a woman as pretty as Donna Douglas. It's a revelation to see her in shows other than Hillbillies (where she had to feign that cornball accent, adorable though it was). Check her out in 77 Sunset Strip, or even The Twilight Zone.
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  11. snorlax says:
    @Dieter Kief
    Give it a try in the french Loire region or Burgundy - not to mention the Lorraine. Ten - or even one per cent of 350 millions sometimes will buy you a really nice castle or palace.

    Problem with that idea is the 25%/annum property taxes.

    No, not a typo.

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    Only if you don't live there permanently. And VAT only for buildings younger than five years, which means, you'd be on the safe side with a castle or something. And the mayor is most of the time very happy and gives all kinds of advice to achieve tax deductability status for all kinds of work on the old stuff, so in the end, only some rich British dumbheads or somesuch (Russians, way too rich to care at all) actually do pay any property taxes.
    A freind of mine owns roughly half a mountain (250 meters high) in southern France - much bigger than Chartwell. No tax problems at all. But as I said: a) He's not British, and b) his house is very old.
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  12. Only those who die healthy, as opposed to peers who die sick, are real winners.

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    You must die young at an old age.That's success in life.
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  13. dearieme says:

    Did he ever say why he called it Chartwell?

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    Was Perenchio in the music industry?
    , @Desiderius
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chartwell
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  14. @peterike
    Let us all praise Elly Mae!

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/01/02/24615E1400000578-2894776-image-m-11_1420239359439.jpg

    Music to remember Elly May by: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n7dtAosWqM

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  15. @dearieme
    Did he ever say why he called it Chartwell?

    Was Perenchio in the music industry?

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    I remember Perenchio promoted the Frazier-Ali fight in 1971 and several big fights the next few years. I think he promoted George Foreman's famous brawl with Ron Lyle in 1976 and Foreman-Frazier II in June 1976.

    After that Perenchio left (or lost) the boxing promotions to Don King and Bob Arum.

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  16. songbird says:

    I find that Spanish-language television broadcast in the US is actually slightly better than your average US television, at least in some ways.

    Better movies, certainly – they must pay a lot less to air them. Meanwhile, I’ve actually seen infomercials in primetime on Saturday on regular network TV. They are also definitely less PC. They are not afraid to show Christianity in a good light, or to have strong patriachal families, or little boys who want to become firemen.

    Of course, their TV is also worse in many ways. It is soapier. Some of it is so bad it is surreal. But, then again, so is American TV. My tolerance for the newer shows is pretty low in general. If Hollywood had been in Mexico insead of the US, I think we would probably be a lot better off today.

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    I find that Spanish-language television broadcast in the US is actually slightly better than your average US television, at least in some ways.
     
    Well, they do know how to make stuff for people with IQs in the low 90s.....And that is a growth market:

    The share of the population that is Hispanic has been steadily increasing over the past half century. In 2014, Hispanics made up 17.3% of the total U.S. population, up from 3.5% in 1960. According to the latest projections from the U.S. Census Bureau (2014), the Hispanic share of the U.S. population is expected to reach 28.6% by 2060.
     
    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/04/19/statistical-portrait-of-hispanics-in-the-united-states-key-charts/

    If Hollywood had been in Mexico insead of the US, I think we would probably be a lot better off today.
     
    Dunno.I prefer the effluvia of Anglo-America to the effluvia of Mexico.
    , @Njguy73

    I find that Spanish-language television broadcast in the US is actually slightly better than your average US television, at least in some ways.
     
    Yeah, with the mute on ;)
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  17. notice says:

    Perenchio, according to Wiki, was John McCains 2008 Presidential Campaigns’ Deputy Finance Director, and was a financial supporter of Carly Fiorina’s primarily bid. He was politically active, worth 2.6 billion, and generously gave away about 500 million in art to some museum or other out there.

    The alt-right needs to intellectually persuade a guy or two like this to our side. Maybe if he had an Unz.com to read way back then………..

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    Atzlan Shrugged

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  19. he worried that if Mexicans learned English, they’d stop watching Sabado Gigante on his network and watch something better on English language TV.

    What else were they going to watch??? Old reruns of The Benny Hill Show on PBS??? Those had to go because of PC 4 decades ago.

    And for just that Old Jerry did his best to wreck California and the rest of the country.

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  20. The story about the original owners wife hating it and refusing to move in is hilarious. And also a great reminder of an earlier better time when wives had zero input in the construction of trophy houses.

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  21. Bel Air Hillbillies doesn’t have the pun.

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    The Bel-Arabs
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  22. I watched The Beverly Hillbillies growing up. I found it funny, but it also made me uncomfortable when I realized that Jed and Granny Clampett reminded me of my maternal grandparents.

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  23. MarcB. says:

    “he worried that if Mexicans learned English, they’d stop watching Sabado Gigante on his network”

    That show is sufficiently broad enough to appreciate without fluency in Spanish, especially after a few bottles of beer. He should have saved his $$$.

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    That show is sufficiently broad enough to appreciate without fluency in Spanish, especially after a few bottles of beer. He should have saved his $$$.
     
    I watched Sabado Gigante a few times. You are correct about the beer helpers. I always got a kick when they brought out this snow white Hispanic couple who would rhapsodize over "El Nuevo Tide" detergent. It hit me that advertisers love the Hispanic consumers because they are hypnotized by high status brand names. High status to them at least. But then how stupid are Americans who shed their dollars on by the cup coffee machines making pre-formed, pre-packaged vanilla this and vanilla that lattes and the like. Dismaying.
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  24. Alfa158 says:
    @eddy wobegon
    Make sure to watch Sabado Gigante. It is a hoot. The cast of characters from dwarves to buxom beauties and the silly games is so uncool it is cool.

    The Mexican workers at one of my former employers used to watch some other show similar to that in the lunch room during their breaks. I was always awestruck by the level of genius required to be able to produce a piece of entertainment so low-brow that it made HeeHaw look like The Magic Flute.

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  25. syonredux says:
    @songbird
    I find that Spanish-language television broadcast in the US is actually slightly better than your average US television, at least in some ways.

    Better movies, certainly - they must pay a lot less to air them. Meanwhile, I've actually seen infomercials in primetime on Saturday on regular network TV. They are also definitely less PC. They are not afraid to show Christianity in a good light, or to have strong patriachal families, or little boys who want to become firemen.

    Of course, their TV is also worse in many ways. It is soapier. Some of it is so bad it is surreal. But, then again, so is American TV. My tolerance for the newer shows is pretty low in general. If Hollywood had been in Mexico insead of the US, I think we would probably be a lot better off today.

    I find that Spanish-language television broadcast in the US is actually slightly better than your average US television, at least in some ways.

    Well, they do know how to make stuff for people with IQs in the low 90s…..And that is a growth market:

    The share of the population that is Hispanic has been steadily increasing over the past half century. In 2014, Hispanics made up 17.3% of the total U.S. population, up from 3.5% in 1960. According to the latest projections from the U.S. Census Bureau (2014), the Hispanic share of the U.S. population is expected to reach 28.6% by 2060.

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/04/19/statistical-portrait-of-hispanics-in-the-united-states-key-charts/

    If Hollywood had been in Mexico insead of the US, I think we would probably be a lot better off today.

    Dunno.I prefer the effluvia of Anglo-America to the effluvia of Mexico.

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    I've heard some people propose that Hollywood is intentionally dumbing things down on their end too. At first I though it was too conspiratorial, but it actually makes a lot of sense. For one thing, a lot of countries don't dub movies.
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  26. @ScarletNumber
    Bel Air Hillbillies doesn't have the pun.

    The Bel-Arabs

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  27. @eddy wobegon
    Make sure to watch Sabado Gigante. It is a hoot. The cast of characters from dwarves to buxom beauties and the silly games is so uncool it is cool.

    Oh wait, thought you were talking about the Beverly Hillbillies there.

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  28. @dearieme
    Did he ever say why he called it Chartwell?
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  29. Not sure why this mansion is worth $350 million but the late TV mogul Aaron Spelling’s was only listed at $125 million. Both mansions seem to be about the same size. Inflation? Cost of living? Why is one mansion nearly three times more than another, and both in the same area?

    Also, it never seems to occur to these gazilionaires to cut down all those trees and actually have a decent sized backyard of some kind. Why is that? You seldom ever see these folks getting the trees chopped down on their own land. Doesn’t add up, nor make much sense.

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    Zillow thinks it's worth about one-tenth the asking price.
    , @Truth

    Also, it never seems to occur to these gazilionaires to cut down all those trees and actually have a decent sized backyard of some kind. Why is that? You seldom ever see these folks getting the trees chopped down on their own land. Doesn’t add up, nor make much sense.
     
    It's HBD. It takes a high-IQ millionaire to do that, but then there are problems;

    https://chicago.curbed.com/2011/6/22/10460682/revisiting-mr-ts-1987-lake-forest-chainsaw-massacre
    , @Rod1963

    Also, it never seems to occur to these gazilionaires to cut down all those trees and actually have a decent sized backyard of some kind. Why is that? You seldom ever see these folks getting the trees chopped down on their own land. Doesn’t add up, nor make much sense.
     
    Lawns only make sense when you have children to play on them. Beyond that they offer nothing in terms of aesthetics or usefulness. And sadly with children being infatuated with electronic gizmos most don't play outside much anymore.

    In general laws are boring and sterile, they do nothing to enhance the house.

    Now if that Bel Aire mansion was surrounded by just a lawn. People would go WTF? They probably think a black rapper lives there. Since blacks don't care about such things as landscaping.
    , @Anonymous
    Also, it never seems to occur to these gazilionaires to cut down all those trees and actually have a decent sized backyard of some kind. Why is that? You seldom ever see these folks getting the trees chopped down on their own land. Doesn’t add up, nor make much sense.

    Are you joking? Trees are beautiful, soothing and provide privacy. Why would you want to cut them down? As long as you have enough of a cleared yard for a nice patio, maybe a pool, some nice gardens or landscaping, and room to practice or play some lacrosse or soccer, why would you need more open space? I would think that for a very wealthy person, privacy would be highly prized. The yard of Perenchio's looks like it covers all of those bases and looks pretty awesome.
    , @Anon
    Trees are low maintainence and thus low-cost. You don't have to mow a tree every week, and you don't have to fertilize it or water it. You may have to have a tree cut down if it's near the end of its life cycle once every hundred or two hundred years, but if it's not hanging over your house or anything important, it's not urgent.

    Add up the cost of one hundred years of weekly lawn maintainence vs. the hundred-year cost of tree removal, and tree ownership is cheaper.
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  30. J1234 says:

    I wonder if Jerry’s non-English speaking domestic help looked around in wonder every time the doorbell rang.

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  31. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Not sure why this mansion is worth $350 million but the late TV mogul Aaron Spelling's was only listed at $125 million. Both mansions seem to be about the same size. Inflation? Cost of living? Why is one mansion nearly three times more than another, and both in the same area?

    Also, it never seems to occur to these gazilionaires to cut down all those trees and actually have a decent sized backyard of some kind. Why is that? You seldom ever see these folks getting the trees chopped down on their own land. Doesn't add up, nor make much sense.

    Zillow thinks it’s worth about one-tenth the asking price.

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    Oh, is that all. Probably because no one bothered to chop down the trees.
    , @Clyde

    Zillow thinks it’s worth about one-tenth the asking price.
     
    Old dudes like their houses the way they are. Translation: It's a rotting old pile. Any young or youngish couple would be spending tens of millions to renovate so that they live more comfortably. One tenth is absurd. Prime area to live near all the action so 70-80 million. Candidate for a tear down.
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    SNL back in the days of Abscam and “oil sheikhs” had a skit, The Bel Arabs, with Arabs for hillbillies. Jethro was Mudhat. Gilda Radner was in a black chador [?] and shrieking gibberish and waving a knife. The theme song had “then one day he was shootin’ at some Jews” rather than “at some food” etc.

    Even liberals were funny before PC.

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    Come and listen to my story 'bout a man named Abdul /
    A poor Arab Sheikh, barely kept his belly full /
    And then one day, he was shootin' at a Jew /
    And up through the ground come a bubblin' goo /
    Oil, that is... Saudi Soda... Kuwait Kool-Aid.
    Well, the first thing you know, Abdul's a millionaire /
    The kinfolk said, "Hey, move away from there!" /
    They said, "California's the place without a care!" /
    So they loaded up the camel and they moved to Bel Air...
    Swimmin' pools... movie stars.
    The Bel Arabs!
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  33. Truth says:
    @peterike
    Let us all praise Elly Mae!

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/01/02/24615E1400000578-2894776-image-m-11_1420239359439.jpg

    Dude with a wig, please stop.

    Some of them are just too damn obvious.

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    Dude with a wig, please stop.

     

    Takes one to know one, I reckon.
    , @Clyde
    You're just a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfg1c8dyZYM
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  34. Truth says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Not sure why this mansion is worth $350 million but the late TV mogul Aaron Spelling's was only listed at $125 million. Both mansions seem to be about the same size. Inflation? Cost of living? Why is one mansion nearly three times more than another, and both in the same area?

    Also, it never seems to occur to these gazilionaires to cut down all those trees and actually have a decent sized backyard of some kind. Why is that? You seldom ever see these folks getting the trees chopped down on their own land. Doesn't add up, nor make much sense.

    Also, it never seems to occur to these gazilionaires to cut down all those trees and actually have a decent sized backyard of some kind. Why is that? You seldom ever see these folks getting the trees chopped down on their own land. Doesn’t add up, nor make much sense.

    It’s HBD. It takes a high-IQ millionaire to do that, but then there are problems;

    https://chicago.curbed.com/2011/6/22/10460682/revisiting-mr-ts-1987-lake-forest-chainsaw-massacre

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  35. @snorlax
    Problem with that idea is the 25%/annum property taxes.

    No, not a typo.

    Only if you don’t live there permanently. And VAT only for buildings younger than five years, which means, you’d be on the safe side with a castle or something. And the mayor is most of the time very happy and gives all kinds of advice to achieve tax deductability status for all kinds of work on the old stuff, so in the end, only some rich British dumbheads or somesuch (Russians, way too rich to care at all) actually do pay any property taxes.
    A freind of mine owns roughly half a mountain (250 meters high) in southern France – much bigger than Chartwell. No tax problems at all. But as I said: a) He’s not British, and b) his house is very old.

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    Dummkopf is common enough usage in America. Picked up from Hogan's Heroes and other places.
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  36. “Why, Granny, I reckon we got plenty of room here for refugees and undocumented Mexicans. I’ll just call up Mr. Drysdale and have him load up a passel of ‘em in a truck and send ‘em over directly!”

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    You got the lingo down pat. Well done!
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  37. Rod1963 says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Not sure why this mansion is worth $350 million but the late TV mogul Aaron Spelling's was only listed at $125 million. Both mansions seem to be about the same size. Inflation? Cost of living? Why is one mansion nearly three times more than another, and both in the same area?

    Also, it never seems to occur to these gazilionaires to cut down all those trees and actually have a decent sized backyard of some kind. Why is that? You seldom ever see these folks getting the trees chopped down on their own land. Doesn't add up, nor make much sense.

    Also, it never seems to occur to these gazilionaires to cut down all those trees and actually have a decent sized backyard of some kind. Why is that? You seldom ever see these folks getting the trees chopped down on their own land. Doesn’t add up, nor make much sense.

    Lawns only make sense when you have children to play on them. Beyond that they offer nothing in terms of aesthetics or usefulness. And sadly with children being infatuated with electronic gizmos most don’t play outside much anymore.

    In general laws are boring and sterile, they do nothing to enhance the house.

    Now if that Bel Aire mansion was surrounded by just a lawn. People would go WTF? They probably think a black rapper lives there. Since blacks don’t care about such things as landscaping.

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    Ok, that's a subjective answer. Not everyone cares about landscaping anymore. What I'm hearing is that it isn't vs. the law in SoCal per se, if say, an owner wanted to chop the trees down, build a huge wall fence of about 14 feet around the perimeter of his house. Also, you can build tennis courts, swimming pools, etc. things that can be put to use without tons and tons of trees around. With all those trees around the house, I keep thinking "One single lightning bolt is all it takes". As lightning strikes the highest point of an object, its just asking for trouble. Also, I believe that Ralph Lauren did exactly that to one of his houses.

    I second the line from Steve Martin in "Dirty Rotten Scoundrels", where when Michael Caine shows him his luxurious villa's grounds, he responds "It just looks like one big major mowing hazard". Not everyone wants to spend the time, nor have to hire all those (non-Ameircans, as one would presume since this is SoCal) landscapers. In 2017, landscaping is a waste of time.

    So basically in SoCal, if a person owned the mansion with acres of land, in theory he could chop all the trees down and do what he wanted to with his land, his house.

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  38. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Not sure why this mansion is worth $350 million but the late TV mogul Aaron Spelling's was only listed at $125 million. Both mansions seem to be about the same size. Inflation? Cost of living? Why is one mansion nearly three times more than another, and both in the same area?

    Also, it never seems to occur to these gazilionaires to cut down all those trees and actually have a decent sized backyard of some kind. Why is that? You seldom ever see these folks getting the trees chopped down on their own land. Doesn't add up, nor make much sense.

    Also, it never seems to occur to these gazilionaires to cut down all those trees and actually have a decent sized backyard of some kind. Why is that? You seldom ever see these folks getting the trees chopped down on their own land. Doesn’t add up, nor make much sense.

    Are you joking? Trees are beautiful, soothing and provide privacy. Why would you want to cut them down? As long as you have enough of a cleared yard for a nice patio, maybe a pool, some nice gardens or landscaping, and room to practice or play some lacrosse or soccer, why would you need more open space? I would think that for a very wealthy person, privacy would be highly prized. The yard of Perenchio’s looks like it covers all of those bases and looks pretty awesome.

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    Ok, that's your opinion. Not everyone is of the same mind. Point is, if someone doesn't want all the trees on his property, he should have the right to chop them down. Again, one lightning bolt and all those trees suddenly are viewed in a different light.

    If you want privacy, build a 14'-18 stone wall. That should certainly do the job.
    , @Olorin
    You're arguing with a troll who's afraid of trees and lightning.

    They do best in hives on islands.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Just saying that this line of thought leads to petty minded busybodies with their petty local neighborhood ordinances, "You can't do such and such with your own property, or with your own land".

    Example: Some years ago, in North Carolina an entire neighborhood wanted to preserve their old Victorian era houses and encouraged their neighbors to preserve the look of the place. However, one individual home owner wanted to tear down his own house and build a completely different architectural style. Since this wasn't a law per se, he legally had the right to do so, with his own house on his own property. This terribly upset the community which got all in a tizzy because one neighbor didn't want to play ball with the others and wanted to keep his own toys to himself.

    It's like, so what? Unless the entire neighborhoods were declared state historical landmarks, what is the big deal? It's the homeowner's right to do with his own property what he wants. In his case, libertarians have a point: live and let live. You do what you want with your own property and your own land, and let your neighbors do the same with theirs.

    If you want privacy, you can always build a wall or fence. Works just as well.

    , @Clyde

    Are you joking? Trees are beautiful, soothing and provide privacy. Why would you want to cut them down? As long as you have enough of a cleared yard for a nice patio, maybe a pool, some nice gardens or landscaping...
     
    Right on bro on the soothing part and I have lotsa trees and quite a few are fruit bearing. Stuff you can eat and sell or give away. They work silently for me and themselves all year around.
    If I had a few million I would be a real agra-lord of the manor. It's the way to be when you are loaded $$$.
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  39. Revealed preference: rich people, even pro-immigration rich people, like low population density for their own families.

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    The websites of the wealthy towns where I live confidently talk about their low-density houses on large tree-filled lots. They also tend to state that their mission is to preserve their current high quality of life by being attentive to issues relating to preserving natural resources and residential environment while working to have a strong sense of community pride. These towns tend to focus on community planning, zoning, and land use - as they should.
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    Revealed preference: rich people, even pro-immigration rich people, like low population density for their own families.

    The websites of the wealthy towns where I live confidently talk about their low-density houses on large tree-filled lots. They also tend to state that their mission is to preserve their current high quality of life by being attentive to issues relating to preserving natural resources and residential environment while working to have a strong sense of community pride. These towns tend to focus on community planning, zoning, and land use – as they should.

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    Does that mean they don't want to build an exact replica of the Chicago Cabrini Green Housing Project that could provide housing for ~ 10,000 needy Black African Americans would would all vote straight Lib Left Democrat?
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  41. @Rod1963

    Also, it never seems to occur to these gazilionaires to cut down all those trees and actually have a decent sized backyard of some kind. Why is that? You seldom ever see these folks getting the trees chopped down on their own land. Doesn’t add up, nor make much sense.
     
    Lawns only make sense when you have children to play on them. Beyond that they offer nothing in terms of aesthetics or usefulness. And sadly with children being infatuated with electronic gizmos most don't play outside much anymore.

    In general laws are boring and sterile, they do nothing to enhance the house.

    Now if that Bel Aire mansion was surrounded by just a lawn. People would go WTF? They probably think a black rapper lives there. Since blacks don't care about such things as landscaping.

    Ok, that’s a subjective answer. Not everyone cares about landscaping anymore. What I’m hearing is that it isn’t vs. the law in SoCal per se, if say, an owner wanted to chop the trees down, build a huge wall fence of about 14 feet around the perimeter of his house. Also, you can build tennis courts, swimming pools, etc. things that can be put to use without tons and tons of trees around. With all those trees around the house, I keep thinking “One single lightning bolt is all it takes”. As lightning strikes the highest point of an object, its just asking for trouble. Also, I believe that Ralph Lauren did exactly that to one of his houses.

    I second the line from Steve Martin in “Dirty Rotten Scoundrels”, where when Michael Caine shows him his luxurious villa’s grounds, he responds “It just looks like one big major mowing hazard”. Not everyone wants to spend the time, nor have to hire all those (non-Ameircans, as one would presume since this is SoCal) landscapers. In 2017, landscaping is a waste of time.

    So basically in SoCal, if a person owned the mansion with acres of land, in theory he could chop all the trees down and do what he wanted to with his land, his house.

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    Not everyone wants to spend the time, nor have to hire all those (non-Ameircans, as one would presume since this is SoCal) landscapers. In 2017, landscaping is a waste of time.

    So basically in SoCal, if a person owned the mansion with acres of land, in theory he could chop all the trees down and do what he wanted to with his land, his house.

    People pay big bucks for leafy neighborhoods and yards. Are you a troll or a prole?
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  42. @Steve Sailer
    Zillow thinks it's worth about one-tenth the asking price.

    Oh, is that all. Probably because no one bothered to chop down the trees.

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  43. @Anonymous
    Also, it never seems to occur to these gazilionaires to cut down all those trees and actually have a decent sized backyard of some kind. Why is that? You seldom ever see these folks getting the trees chopped down on their own land. Doesn’t add up, nor make much sense.

    Are you joking? Trees are beautiful, soothing and provide privacy. Why would you want to cut them down? As long as you have enough of a cleared yard for a nice patio, maybe a pool, some nice gardens or landscaping, and room to practice or play some lacrosse or soccer, why would you need more open space? I would think that for a very wealthy person, privacy would be highly prized. The yard of Perenchio's looks like it covers all of those bases and looks pretty awesome.

    Ok, that’s your opinion. Not everyone is of the same mind. Point is, if someone doesn’t want all the trees on his property, he should have the right to chop them down. Again, one lightning bolt and all those trees suddenly are viewed in a different light.

    If you want privacy, build a 14′-18 stone wall. That should certainly do the job.

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    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Ok, that's a subjective answer. Not everyone cares about landscaping anymore. What I'm hearing is that it isn't vs. the law in SoCal per se, if say, an owner wanted to chop the trees down, build a huge wall fence of about 14 feet around the perimeter of his house. Also, you can build tennis courts, swimming pools, etc. things that can be put to use without tons and tons of trees around. With all those trees around the house, I keep thinking "One single lightning bolt is all it takes". As lightning strikes the highest point of an object, its just asking for trouble. Also, I believe that Ralph Lauren did exactly that to one of his houses.

    I second the line from Steve Martin in "Dirty Rotten Scoundrels", where when Michael Caine shows him his luxurious villa's grounds, he responds "It just looks like one big major mowing hazard". Not everyone wants to spend the time, nor have to hire all those (non-Ameircans, as one would presume since this is SoCal) landscapers. In 2017, landscaping is a waste of time.

    So basically in SoCal, if a person owned the mansion with acres of land, in theory he could chop all the trees down and do what he wanted to with his land, his house.

    Not everyone wants to spend the time, nor have to hire all those (non-Ameircans, as one would presume since this is SoCal) landscapers. In 2017, landscaping is a waste of time.

    So basically in SoCal, if a person owned the mansion with acres of land, in theory he could chop all the trees down and do what he wanted to with his land, his house.

    People pay big bucks for leafy neighborhoods and yards. Are you a troll or a prole?

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    If people want to do something with their own land, like fix it up however they want to, then that should be their own business.
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  45. peterike says:
    @Truth
    Dude with a wig, please stop.

    Some of them are just too damn obvious.

    Dude with a wig, please stop.

    Takes one to know one, I reckon.

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    No, only takes two eyes to know one.
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  46. jack ryan says: • Website

    All the media in practically the entire non Japanese world ends up in the hands of…

    The Tribe.

    The largest Spanish language US TV network is now run by Haim Saban – an Egyptian born Jewish guy who went to school in Israel, got kicked out of school then somehow fell in to the Southern California media world where he made his fame and fortune producing the live action children show “The Mighty Morphin Power Rangers”.

    OK, then this Egyptian born, Israel Jew purchases Univision and runs Spanish Language “American” TV.

    Go figure.

    Kind of like some not Italian American guy trying to get to the top of American organized crime Mafia world.

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    @Anonymous
    The websites of the wealthy towns where I live confidently talk about their low-density houses on large tree-filled lots. They also tend to state that their mission is to preserve their current high quality of life by being attentive to issues relating to preserving natural resources and residential environment while working to have a strong sense of community pride. These towns tend to focus on community planning, zoning, and land use - as they should.

    Does that mean they don’t want to build an exact replica of the Chicago Cabrini Green Housing Project that could provide housing for ~ 10,000 needy Black African Americans would would all vote straight Lib Left Democrat?

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  48. Olorin says:
    @Anonymous
    Also, it never seems to occur to these gazilionaires to cut down all those trees and actually have a decent sized backyard of some kind. Why is that? You seldom ever see these folks getting the trees chopped down on their own land. Doesn’t add up, nor make much sense.

    Are you joking? Trees are beautiful, soothing and provide privacy. Why would you want to cut them down? As long as you have enough of a cleared yard for a nice patio, maybe a pool, some nice gardens or landscaping, and room to practice or play some lacrosse or soccer, why would you need more open space? I would think that for a very wealthy person, privacy would be highly prized. The yard of Perenchio's looks like it covers all of those bases and looks pretty awesome.

    You’re arguing with a troll who’s afraid of trees and lightning.

    They do best in hives on islands.

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  49. Olorin says:

    elephantine asking price of $350,000,000,

    So they’re pointing out he was a Republican?

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  50. @Anonymous
    Not everyone wants to spend the time, nor have to hire all those (non-Ameircans, as one would presume since this is SoCal) landscapers. In 2017, landscaping is a waste of time.

    So basically in SoCal, if a person owned the mansion with acres of land, in theory he could chop all the trees down and do what he wanted to with his land, his house.

    People pay big bucks for leafy neighborhoods and yards. Are you a troll or a prole?

    If people want to do something with their own land, like fix it up however they want to, then that should be their own business.

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  51. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @peterike
    Let us all praise Elly Mae!

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/01/02/24615E1400000578-2894776-image-m-11_1420239359439.jpg

    I was just thinking, he had enough money to actually hire Donna Douglas to dress up like Ellie Maye, and hang around the cement pond in a bathing suit, EVERY SINGLE DAY!

    If I said, “hey, Donna. I’ll pay you $5M a year, if you’ll just show up here when I ask you, and act like Ellie Maye all day. Also, once a month, I’ll ask you to have a threesome with myself, and “Mary Ann” from ‘Gilligan’s Island,’” you don’t think she’d do it?

    I think she would. I’ll bet they did!

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    Ginger Jenner?

    http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/jWrW7IxsBZdl.jpg
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  52. songbird says:
    @syonredux

    I find that Spanish-language television broadcast in the US is actually slightly better than your average US television, at least in some ways.
     
    Well, they do know how to make stuff for people with IQs in the low 90s.....And that is a growth market:

    The share of the population that is Hispanic has been steadily increasing over the past half century. In 2014, Hispanics made up 17.3% of the total U.S. population, up from 3.5% in 1960. According to the latest projections from the U.S. Census Bureau (2014), the Hispanic share of the U.S. population is expected to reach 28.6% by 2060.
     
    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/04/19/statistical-portrait-of-hispanics-in-the-united-states-key-charts/

    If Hollywood had been in Mexico insead of the US, I think we would probably be a lot better off today.
     
    Dunno.I prefer the effluvia of Anglo-America to the effluvia of Mexico.

    I’ve heard some people propose that Hollywood is intentionally dumbing things down on their end too. At first I though it was too conspiratorial, but it actually makes a lot of sense. For one thing, a lot of countries don’t dub movies.

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    Seems to be happening, yes. Movies with an eye on the burgeoning Chinese market in particular tend to rely (even) more on action, with less meaningful dialogue. In the same vein, such movies have a simpler, more limited vocabulary when compared to the vocabulary of many movies made for domestic consumption.

    Since the Chinese middle class alone will soon consist of more people than the entire USA and Canada, this phenomenon seems likely to become more widespread.

    , @snorlax
    English is the most laconic of the widely-spoken languages, so English-language movies with complicated dialogue are very difficult to dub.
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  53. Regardless, that dude had a hell of a run.

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    Regardless, that dude had a hell of a run.
     
    Yes he did and lived to 87. You and me should do so well. People dying with most toys syndrome is more applicable to a multi-billionaire w huge yachts and so on keeling over at 55. As in all his money could not stave off The GR, cancer, heart attack what have you.

    (intentional bad grammar)

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  54. Anon says: • Disclaimer
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    Not sure why this mansion is worth $350 million but the late TV mogul Aaron Spelling's was only listed at $125 million. Both mansions seem to be about the same size. Inflation? Cost of living? Why is one mansion nearly three times more than another, and both in the same area?

    Also, it never seems to occur to these gazilionaires to cut down all those trees and actually have a decent sized backyard of some kind. Why is that? You seldom ever see these folks getting the trees chopped down on their own land. Doesn't add up, nor make much sense.

    Trees are low maintainence and thus low-cost. You don’t have to mow a tree every week, and you don’t have to fertilize it or water it. You may have to have a tree cut down if it’s near the end of its life cycle once every hundred or two hundred years, but if it’s not hanging over your house or anything important, it’s not urgent.

    Add up the cost of one hundred years of weekly lawn maintainence vs. the hundred-year cost of tree removal, and tree ownership is cheaper.

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    "Trees are low maintainence and thus low-cost. "

    Good, then there's no problem with cutting them down. Thank you. The point is, if an individual homeowner wants to cut down his trees, he should have the right to do so. Doesn't matter what others say.


    "the hundred-year cost of tree removal, and tree ownership is cheaper."

    Hundred yr. cost? It's a one time thing. Depending on the size and how many trees lines the yard, its quite affordable. And ROI begins straightaway.

    "the cost of one hundred years of weekly lawn maintainence"

    Na-no, after you chop the trees down, you replace the grass with artificial turf. So that issue doesn't even arise.

    It has been stated numerous times in the news that out in LA, water is a precious commodity. What better way to conserve water and thus help the environment by not having grass but turf instead? Saves a ton on not using water, on not using harmful chemicals to maintain the green color, etc.

    Prefer not to use a bad analogy, but in Kevin Costner's 1989 "Field of Dreams", it was his farm, and he had the right to do what he wanted with it. I can see the point of not wrecking a farm, which provides food for the family and potentially others as well.

    We're talking about a single home. If they want to do it, they should have the right.

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  55. Now THIS was a mansion that I was raised to recognize as a Mansion.

    Not the crap they throw up today!

    I visited the Hancock mansion, the owners of Hancock Oil fame, a few times. Based on the side of a hill, it was a massive two story, but as you pulled up, it looked like a large one story. You couldn’t tell it was a two story until you were in the mansion, but inside it was much like the Hillbilly mansion. Everything well laid out, and tastefully appointed. You just felt comfortable being there. Very warm vibes, as huge as it was. It didn’t seem like a warehouse, or hotel, even though the rooms were huge.

    I go into some of the new mansions of today, and it’s depressing. Stark echo chambers. No sound management. Like living in a basketball court. Why would you want to live in a house in which your voice echoes all over the place, like at the post office? Depressing.

    The entry enclave of the BH mansion is much like it was depicted in on TV:

    https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/750-Bel-Air-Rd,-Los-Angeles,-CA-90077_rb/?fromHomePage=true&shouldFireSellPageImplicitClaimGA=false&fromHomePageTab=buy

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  57. Njguy73 says:
    @songbird
    I find that Spanish-language television broadcast in the US is actually slightly better than your average US television, at least in some ways.

    Better movies, certainly - they must pay a lot less to air them. Meanwhile, I've actually seen infomercials in primetime on Saturday on regular network TV. They are also definitely less PC. They are not afraid to show Christianity in a good light, or to have strong patriachal families, or little boys who want to become firemen.

    Of course, their TV is also worse in many ways. It is soapier. Some of it is so bad it is surreal. But, then again, so is American TV. My tolerance for the newer shows is pretty low in general. If Hollywood had been in Mexico insead of the US, I think we would probably be a lot better off today.

    I find that Spanish-language television broadcast in the US is actually slightly better than your average US television, at least in some ways.

    Yeah, with the mute on ;)

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  58. @Steve Sailer
    Was Perenchio in the music industry?

    I remember Perenchio promoted the Frazier-Ali fight in 1971 and several big fights the next few years. I think he promoted George Foreman’s famous brawl with Ron Lyle in 1976 and Foreman-Frazier II in June 1976.

    After that Perenchio left (or lost) the boxing promotions to Don King and Bob Arum.

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  59. Truth says:
    @peterike

    Dude with a wig, please stop.

     

    Takes one to know one, I reckon.

    No, only takes two eyes to know one.

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  60. Clyde says:
    @Dieter Kief
    Only if you don't live there permanently. And VAT only for buildings younger than five years, which means, you'd be on the safe side with a castle or something. And the mayor is most of the time very happy and gives all kinds of advice to achieve tax deductability status for all kinds of work on the old stuff, so in the end, only some rich British dumbheads or somesuch (Russians, way too rich to care at all) actually do pay any property taxes.
    A freind of mine owns roughly half a mountain (250 meters high) in southern France - much bigger than Chartwell. No tax problems at all. But as I said: a) He's not British, and b) his house is very old.

    Dummkopf is common enough usage in America. Picked up from Hogan’s Heroes and other places.

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  61. @Anonymous
    Also, it never seems to occur to these gazilionaires to cut down all those trees and actually have a decent sized backyard of some kind. Why is that? You seldom ever see these folks getting the trees chopped down on their own land. Doesn’t add up, nor make much sense.

    Are you joking? Trees are beautiful, soothing and provide privacy. Why would you want to cut them down? As long as you have enough of a cleared yard for a nice patio, maybe a pool, some nice gardens or landscaping, and room to practice or play some lacrosse or soccer, why would you need more open space? I would think that for a very wealthy person, privacy would be highly prized. The yard of Perenchio's looks like it covers all of those bases and looks pretty awesome.

    Just saying that this line of thought leads to petty minded busybodies with their petty local neighborhood ordinances, “You can’t do such and such with your own property, or with your own land”.

    Example: Some years ago, in North Carolina an entire neighborhood wanted to preserve their old Victorian era houses and encouraged their neighbors to preserve the look of the place. However, one individual home owner wanted to tear down his own house and build a completely different architectural style. Since this wasn’t a law per se, he legally had the right to do so, with his own house on his own property. This terribly upset the community which got all in a tizzy because one neighbor didn’t want to play ball with the others and wanted to keep his own toys to himself.

    It’s like, so what? Unless the entire neighborhoods were declared state historical landmarks, what is the big deal? It’s the homeowner’s right to do with his own property what he wants. In his case, libertarians have a point: live and let live. You do what you want with your own property and your own land, and let your neighbors do the same with theirs.

    If you want privacy, you can always build a wall or fence. Works just as well.

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  62. Clyde says:
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    Regardless, that dude had a hell of a run.

    Regardless, that dude had a hell of a run.

    Yes he did and lived to 87. You and me should do so well. People dying with most toys syndrome is more applicable to a multi-billionaire w huge yachts and so on keeling over at 55. As in all his money could not stave off The GR, cancer, heart attack what have you.

    (intentional bad grammar)

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  63. Clyde says:
    @Anonymous
    Also, it never seems to occur to these gazilionaires to cut down all those trees and actually have a decent sized backyard of some kind. Why is that? You seldom ever see these folks getting the trees chopped down on their own land. Doesn’t add up, nor make much sense.

    Are you joking? Trees are beautiful, soothing and provide privacy. Why would you want to cut them down? As long as you have enough of a cleared yard for a nice patio, maybe a pool, some nice gardens or landscaping, and room to practice or play some lacrosse or soccer, why would you need more open space? I would think that for a very wealthy person, privacy would be highly prized. The yard of Perenchio's looks like it covers all of those bases and looks pretty awesome.

    Are you joking? Trees are beautiful, soothing and provide privacy. Why would you want to cut them down? As long as you have enough of a cleared yard for a nice patio, maybe a pool, some nice gardens or landscaping…

    Right on bro on the soothing part and I have lotsa trees and quite a few are fruit bearing. Stuff you can eat and sell or give away. They work silently for me and themselves all year around.
    If I had a few million I would be a real agra-lord of the manor. It’s the way to be when you are loaded $$$.

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  64. Clyde says:
    @Truth
    Dude with a wig, please stop.

    Some of them are just too damn obvious.

    You’re just a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfg1c8dyZYM

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  65. Truth says:
    @anonymous
    I was just thinking, he had enough money to actually hire Donna Douglas to dress up like Ellie Maye, and hang around the cement pond in a bathing suit, EVERY SINGLE DAY!

    If I said, "hey, Donna. I'll pay you $5M a year, if you'll just show up here when I ask you, and act like Ellie Maye all day. Also, once a month, I'll ask you to have a threesome with myself, and "Mary Ann" from 'Gilligan's Island,'" you don't think she'd do it?

    I think she would. I'll bet they did!

    Ginger Jenner?

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    Good Lord, how about a trigger warning or something. She's not even recognizable as the same person.
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  66. Clyde says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Zillow thinks it's worth about one-tenth the asking price.

    Zillow thinks it’s worth about one-tenth the asking price.

    Old dudes like their houses the way they are. Translation: It’s a rotting old pile. Any young or youngish couple would be spending tens of millions to renovate so that they live more comfortably. One tenth is absurd. Prime area to live near all the action so 70-80 million. Candidate for a tear down.

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  67. Clyde says:
    @Reactionary Utopian
    "Why, Granny, I reckon we got plenty of room here for refugees and undocumented Mexicans. I'll just call up Mr. Drysdale and have him load up a passel of 'em in a truck and send 'em over directly!"

    You got the lingo down pat. Well done!

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  68. Clyde says:
    @MarcB.
    "he worried that if Mexicans learned English, they’d stop watching Sabado Gigante on his network"

    That show is sufficiently broad enough to appreciate without fluency in Spanish, especially after a few bottles of beer. He should have saved his $$$.

    That show is sufficiently broad enough to appreciate without fluency in Spanish, especially after a few bottles of beer. He should have saved his $$$.

    I watched Sabado Gigante a few times. You are correct about the beer helpers. I always got a kick when they brought out this snow white Hispanic couple who would rhapsodize over “El Nuevo Tide” detergent. It hit me that advertisers love the Hispanic consumers because they are hypnotized by high status brand names. High status to them at least. But then how stupid are Americans who shed their dollars on by the cup coffee machines making pre-formed, pre-packaged vanilla this and vanilla that lattes and the like. Dismaying.

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  69. This Tweet is from 2015:

    One of Carly Fiorina’s biggest donors is a slob named Jerry Perenchio. This rat Perenchio pushes mass immigration.

    Jerry Perenchio was a money-grubbing dirtbag who pushed open borders mass immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders.

    Jerry Perenchio pushed mass immigration because it provided more non-English speakers to watch his Spanish language television channel Univision. Jerry Perenchio is now roasting and burning in hell.

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  70. The extreme asking price is probably inflated, but compared to Zillow’s $37 million estimate, I think Perenchio’s estate is including more in the package for sale, such as the former Ron and Nancy Reagan house next door.

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    If they wanted to, would think the Perenchio estate could petition CA to purchase the Ronald and Nancy Reagan house and let CA worry about the upkeep and maintenance.
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  71. @peterike
    Let us all praise Elly Mae!

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/01/02/24615E1400000578-2894776-image-m-11_1420239359439.jpg

    Indeed. One could (and, before the days of television, many did) live one’s entire life and never see a woman as pretty as Donna Douglas. It’s a revelation to see her in shows other than Hillbillies (where she had to feign that cornball accent, adorable though it was). Check her out in 77 Sunset Strip, or even The Twilight Zone.

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    Indeed. One could (and, before the days of television, many did) live one’s entire life and never see a woman as pretty as Donna Douglas
     
    Dude, please, it's dinner time out here in the Mountain Time Zone.
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  72. He’s still dead.

    (Saints be praised!)

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  73. anonguy says:

    Seems like how attractive one is to the other sex is the basic measure of winning in an atheistic society that places confidence in Darwinism.

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  74. @Anon
    SNL back in the days of Abscam and "oil sheikhs" had a skit, The Bel Arabs, with Arabs for hillbillies. Jethro was Mudhat. Gilda Radner was in a black chador [?] and shrieking gibberish and waving a knife. The theme song had "then one day he was shootin' at some Jews" rather than "at some food" etc.

    Even liberals were funny before PC.

    Come and listen to my story ’bout a man named Abdul /
    A poor Arab Sheikh, barely kept his belly full /
    And then one day, he was shootin’ at a Jew /
    And up through the ground come a bubblin’ goo /
    Oil, that is… Saudi Soda… Kuwait Kool-Aid.
    Well, the first thing you know, Abdul’s a millionaire /
    The kinfolk said, “Hey, move away from there!” /
    They said, “California’s the place without a care!” /
    So they loaded up the camel and they moved to Bel Air…
    Swimmin’ pools… movie stars.
    The Bel Arabs!

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  75. anonguy says:
    @Truth
    Ginger Jenner?

    http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/jWrW7IxsBZdl.jpg

    Good Lord, how about a trigger warning or something. She’s not even recognizable as the same person.

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    The body does not hold onto estrogen treatments past 45 or so.
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  76. Terry says:
    @Andrei Martyanov
    Only those who die healthy, as opposed to peers who die sick, are real winners.

    You must die young at an old age.That’s success in life.

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  77. @Anon
    Trees are low maintainence and thus low-cost. You don't have to mow a tree every week, and you don't have to fertilize it or water it. You may have to have a tree cut down if it's near the end of its life cycle once every hundred or two hundred years, but if it's not hanging over your house or anything important, it's not urgent.

    Add up the cost of one hundred years of weekly lawn maintainence vs. the hundred-year cost of tree removal, and tree ownership is cheaper.

    “Trees are low maintainence and thus low-cost. ”

    Good, then there’s no problem with cutting them down. Thank you. The point is, if an individual homeowner wants to cut down his trees, he should have the right to do so. Doesn’t matter what others say.

    “the hundred-year cost of tree removal, and tree ownership is cheaper.”

    Hundred yr. cost? It’s a one time thing. Depending on the size and how many trees lines the yard, its quite affordable. And ROI begins straightaway.

    “the cost of one hundred years of weekly lawn maintainence”

    Na-no, after you chop the trees down, you replace the grass with artificial turf. So that issue doesn’t even arise.

    It has been stated numerous times in the news that out in LA, water is a precious commodity. What better way to conserve water and thus help the environment by not having grass but turf instead? Saves a ton on not using water, on not using harmful chemicals to maintain the green color, etc.

    Prefer not to use a bad analogy, but in Kevin Costner’s 1989 “Field of Dreams”, it was his farm, and he had the right to do what he wanted with it. I can see the point of not wrecking a farm, which provides food for the family and potentially others as well.

    We’re talking about a single home. If they want to do it, they should have the right.

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    Na-no, after you chop the trees down, you replace the grass with artificial turf. So that issue doesn’t even arise.
     
    No way, put down concrete and paint it green.
    , @Anonymous
    Na-no, after you chop the trees down, you replace the grass with artificial turf. So that issue doesn’t even arise.

    Artificial turf? I had a feeling you were might suggest this, once all the trees were cut down and the 14 foot wall was put up.
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  78. Truth says:
    @Macumazahn
    Indeed. One could (and, before the days of television, many did) live one's entire life and never see a woman as pretty as Donna Douglas. It's a revelation to see her in shows other than Hillbillies (where she had to feign that cornball accent, adorable though it was). Check her out in 77 Sunset Strip, or even The Twilight Zone.

    Indeed. One could (and, before the days of television, many did) live one’s entire life and never see a woman as pretty as Donna Douglas

    Dude, please, it’s dinner time out here in the Mountain Time Zone.

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    Hey, I'm not the one who posted a picture of Tina Louise.
    That being said, Tina still looked pretty good when she appeared in Mannix.
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  79. Truth says:
    @anonguy
    Good Lord, how about a trigger warning or something. She's not even recognizable as the same person.

    The body does not hold onto estrogen treatments past 45 or so.

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  80. @Steve Sailer
    The extreme asking price is probably inflated, but compared to Zillow's $37 million estimate, I think Perenchio's estate is including more in the package for sale, such as the former Ron and Nancy Reagan house next door.

    If they wanted to, would think the Perenchio estate could petition CA to purchase the Ronald and Nancy Reagan house and let CA worry about the upkeep and maintenance.

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  81. @Truth

    Indeed. One could (and, before the days of television, many did) live one’s entire life and never see a woman as pretty as Donna Douglas
     
    Dude, please, it's dinner time out here in the Mountain Time Zone.

    Hey, I’m not the one who posted a picture of Tina Louise.
    That being said, Tina still looked pretty good when she appeared in Mannix.

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    I guess this is a truly difficult concept, Bro, but having a "y" chromosome disqualifies one from being a "she."
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  82. Karl says:

    > wife who, unfortunately for him, hated its unabashed opulence

    where do I stand in line, to get issued a wife like that?

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    Live in the '30s.
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  83. anonguy says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Trees are low maintainence and thus low-cost. "

    Good, then there's no problem with cutting them down. Thank you. The point is, if an individual homeowner wants to cut down his trees, he should have the right to do so. Doesn't matter what others say.


    "the hundred-year cost of tree removal, and tree ownership is cheaper."

    Hundred yr. cost? It's a one time thing. Depending on the size and how many trees lines the yard, its quite affordable. And ROI begins straightaway.

    "the cost of one hundred years of weekly lawn maintainence"

    Na-no, after you chop the trees down, you replace the grass with artificial turf. So that issue doesn't even arise.

    It has been stated numerous times in the news that out in LA, water is a precious commodity. What better way to conserve water and thus help the environment by not having grass but turf instead? Saves a ton on not using water, on not using harmful chemicals to maintain the green color, etc.

    Prefer not to use a bad analogy, but in Kevin Costner's 1989 "Field of Dreams", it was his farm, and he had the right to do what he wanted with it. I can see the point of not wrecking a farm, which provides food for the family and potentially others as well.

    We're talking about a single home. If they want to do it, they should have the right.

    Na-no, after you chop the trees down, you replace the grass with artificial turf. So that issue doesn’t even arise.

    No way, put down concrete and paint it green.

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    Actually field turf has come a long way from the bad ol' '70's when it wasn't much more than a shaggy carpet over concrete. Today's synthetic turf is really good, even at the high school level. It maintains its color and never has to be cut. Maybe put a tarp over it in winter and that's it.
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  84. @songbird
    I've heard some people propose that Hollywood is intentionally dumbing things down on their end too. At first I though it was too conspiratorial, but it actually makes a lot of sense. For one thing, a lot of countries don't dub movies.

    Seems to be happening, yes. Movies with an eye on the burgeoning Chinese market in particular tend to rely (even) more on action, with less meaningful dialogue. In the same vein, such movies have a simpler, more limited vocabulary when compared to the vocabulary of many movies made for domestic consumption.

    Since the Chinese middle class alone will soon consist of more people than the entire USA and Canada, this phenomenon seems likely to become more widespread.

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  85. Truth says:
    @Macumazahn
    Hey, I'm not the one who posted a picture of Tina Louise.
    That being said, Tina still looked pretty good when she appeared in Mannix.

    I guess this is a truly difficult concept, Bro, but having a “y” chromosome disqualifies one from being a “she.”

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    You're not making sense, Bub.
    Are you saying that Donna Douglas was a biological male? That Tina Louise is?
    I've said nothing about any males masquerading as women; perhaps you're arguing with someone else.
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  86. jim jones says:

    First thing I did when I bought this house was cut down the fourteen trees and dig up the stumps, took me about three weeks of backbreaking work.

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    But in the end it was worth it, and you never have to maintain what's no longer there.
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  87. snorlax says:
    @songbird
    I've heard some people propose that Hollywood is intentionally dumbing things down on their end too. At first I though it was too conspiratorial, but it actually makes a lot of sense. For one thing, a lot of countries don't dub movies.

    English is the most laconic of the widely-spoken languages, so English-language movies with complicated dialogue are very difficult to dub.

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    Speaking of which, youtube's "Bad Lip Reading" of various films, TV shows, NFL, political debates are really a hoot. And that definitely backs up your point.
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  88. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Trees are low maintainence and thus low-cost. "

    Good, then there's no problem with cutting them down. Thank you. The point is, if an individual homeowner wants to cut down his trees, he should have the right to do so. Doesn't matter what others say.


    "the hundred-year cost of tree removal, and tree ownership is cheaper."

    Hundred yr. cost? It's a one time thing. Depending on the size and how many trees lines the yard, its quite affordable. And ROI begins straightaway.

    "the cost of one hundred years of weekly lawn maintainence"

    Na-no, after you chop the trees down, you replace the grass with artificial turf. So that issue doesn't even arise.

    It has been stated numerous times in the news that out in LA, water is a precious commodity. What better way to conserve water and thus help the environment by not having grass but turf instead? Saves a ton on not using water, on not using harmful chemicals to maintain the green color, etc.

    Prefer not to use a bad analogy, but in Kevin Costner's 1989 "Field of Dreams", it was his farm, and he had the right to do what he wanted with it. I can see the point of not wrecking a farm, which provides food for the family and potentially others as well.

    We're talking about a single home. If they want to do it, they should have the right.

    Na-no, after you chop the trees down, you replace the grass with artificial turf. So that issue doesn’t even arise.

    Artificial turf? I had a feeling you were might suggest this, once all the trees were cut down and the 14 foot wall was put up.

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  89. @snorlax
    English is the most laconic of the widely-spoken languages, so English-language movies with complicated dialogue are very difficult to dub.

    Speaking of which, youtube’s “Bad Lip Reading” of various films, TV shows, NFL, political debates are really a hoot. And that definitely backs up your point.

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  90. @anonguy

    Na-no, after you chop the trees down, you replace the grass with artificial turf. So that issue doesn’t even arise.
     
    No way, put down concrete and paint it green.

    Actually field turf has come a long way from the bad ol’ ’70′s when it wasn’t much more than a shaggy carpet over concrete. Today’s synthetic turf is really good, even at the high school level. It maintains its color and never has to be cut. Maybe put a tarp over it in winter and that’s it.

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  91. @Truth
    I guess this is a truly difficult concept, Bro, but having a "y" chromosome disqualifies one from being a "she."

    You’re not making sense, Bub.
    Are you saying that Donna Douglas was a biological male? That Tina Louise is?
    I’ve said nothing about any males masquerading as women; perhaps you’re arguing with someone else.

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    I’ve said nothing about any males masquerading as women

     

    Yes you did.

    That being said, Tina still looked pretty good when she...
     
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Compared to Ginger or Ellie Mae, the real knock out was always Mary Ann. There's no doubt about Mary Ann.
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  92. To the asswipe who removed my harmless but factual posting : go fuck yourself, you simple-minded, low-life charlatan.

    Authenticjazman “Mensa” Society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet and pro jazz musician.

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  93. Truth says:
    @Macumazahn
    You're not making sense, Bub.
    Are you saying that Donna Douglas was a biological male? That Tina Louise is?
    I've said nothing about any males masquerading as women; perhaps you're arguing with someone else.

    I’ve said nothing about any males masquerading as women

    Yes you did.

    That being said, Tina still looked pretty good when she

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  94. @Macumazahn
    You're not making sense, Bub.
    Are you saying that Donna Douglas was a biological male? That Tina Louise is?
    I've said nothing about any males masquerading as women; perhaps you're arguing with someone else.

    Compared to Ginger or Ellie Mae, the real knock out was always Mary Ann. There’s no doubt about Mary Ann.

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  95. @jim jones
    First thing I did when I bought this house was cut down the fourteen trees and dig up the stumps, took me about three weeks of backbreaking work.

    But in the end it was worth it, and you never have to maintain what’s no longer there.

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  96. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Karl
    > wife who, unfortunately for him, hated its unabashed opulence

    where do I stand in line, to get issued a wife like that?

    Live in the ’30s.

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