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Screenshot 2014-12-18 00.04.26During its interview with the three ex-friends of purported U. of Virginia fraternity gang rape victim Jackie, CNN briefly flashed onscreen at the 5:06 mark the “glitch in The Matrix” email. This is the one that friendzone friend Ryan (a.k.a., “Randall”) received from Jackie’s mysterious dream date / gang rape organizer Haven Monahan five days after the alleged outrage.

Ryan / Randall tells the camera:

“The email was called “About you” and it was from Haven Monahan –Haven.Monahan@Yahoo.com. And it looked like Haven had written, ‘You should read this. I’ve really never read anything nicer in my life,’ with a page worth of, you know, just an essay that Jackie had written about me. Which seemed really weird to me at the time, because here’s somebody who just allegedly, you know, led this brutal sexual assault on a friend of mine, and now he’s just going to email me this thing about me.”

For iSteve, commenter Harold transcribed off CNN’s blurry video image the essay by Jackie forwarded from Haven Monahan’s email account:

Well yeah… Ryan is fine. Ryan’s great, actually. I mean he’s smart. He’s sensitive. He’s funny. He’s a scaredy cat. If you creep up behind him, he’ll jump right out of his skin. It’s pretty amusing. He’s honest. He always calls them just like he sees them. You can [???] count[?] on getting the truth from Ryan, even if the truth hurts. He has the most incredible taste in music. He’s like this walking, talking music library. And he understands how truly important music is. He’s stubborn. He has this [???] way about him that can be so frustrating sometimes. And sometimes the things he says hurt. But he’s a really, really good friend. And loyal to a fault. He’s realistic[?] about everything. And I’m a dreamer so I mean, it’s good to have somebody like that in my life. He’s one of my best friends here, you know? He’s more than that… he’s everything.

Now, then there’s Ryan. And Ryan… Ryan’s incredible. I didn‘t fall for Ryan Duffin the first day I met him. Nor did I fall for him on the second day or the third day for that matter. But once I did fall for Ryan, you see, my world flipped upside down. Kathryn doesn’t understand what I see in Ryan. I guess I don‘t understand what she doesn’t see in him. He’s gorgeous, but gorgeous is an understatement. More like you’re startled every time you see him because you notice something new in a Where‘s Waldo sort of way. More like you can‘t stop writing third grade run on sentences becuase you can‘t even remotely begin to describe something, someone, so inherently amazing. More like you’re afraid that if you stare at him too long, you’ll prove your grandparents right that, yes, your face will get stuck that way… but you do‘t mind. You, like everyone else, may think I’m exaggerating, but then again, you probably don’t know Ryan Duffin. Ryan has no idea what he does to me… he can make me feel more emotions in one second than I would normally feel in one year. He makes my head spin. And the truth is, I‘m crazy about him, I mean, if I had the chance of hanging out with anyone in the entire world or just sitting in my dorm with him talking about music and watching a crappy TV show… I‘d choose him everytime… without a single false step. I know he doesn‘t like me. If someone really wanted you, they’d actually put some time and effort into trying to get your attention. Ryan doesn’t even like to be around me sometimes. And that really sucks. When you like someone more than he likes you, you‘ll do anything to switch the scales. The thing is, you can’t. You want to tell him how you feel but you know it will end with “It‘s just not going to work out.” How can I explain to him that I fell for him because of a million tiny things he never knew he was doing? I know I should just stop trying because he and I are never going to happen. He doesn’t like me, I’m not his type. I‘m not the type of person he could ever be with so I should just get over it. The problem is I can’t shake these feelings I have for him, I try so damn hard, but they won’t go away. I can’t move on becuase the only thing I can find wrong with him, is that he can find so much wrong with me. Gabrielle[?] said I shouldn’t give up, she said she read this quote once that said, “There’s nothing more beautiful than the way ocean refuses to stop kissing the shoreline no matter how many times it’s sent away.” She claimed that’s how Ryan and I are. I think she’s wrong. I think he was right from the get go. He’ll never see me as anything other than some girl and It’ll never amount to anything. He told Alex I‘m not his type and I’m a waste of his time. The things he says hurt more than you know but still… there’s something about him that makes me come back for more. All I know is, the girl who gets to be with Ryan [ten-or-so obscured words] that, then she doesn’t deserve him.

As Gerald Ford used to claim Henry Kissinger said, “Nobody will ever win the battle of the sexes: there’s too much fraternizing with the enemy.”

And as Rick James might have said, “Teenage girl hormones are a helluva chemical.”

Okay, so, now we know what happened.

A whole lot of people, however, are going to remember this story not as an utter hoax, but as a complicated situation in which the Rolling Stone reporter maybe messed up by violating some boring journalist protocol by not calling people to get their pro forma denials so that the whole thing could have been more of a He Said, She Said. The only thing that millions of people are going to remember is that Sabrina Rubin Erdely should have been a little more nuanced.

For example, it’s now more than a week after the Washington Post bombshell, and the Newspaper of Record still hasn’t admitted anything. The NYT is trying to Bury the Story in Boredom. Here’s the latest eye-glazing thing published by the New York Times on the case (December 16th):

The Bind of Silence

In all the hand-wringing about what Rolling Stone did or didn’t do right in the saga of the University of Virginia story, one unexamined question sticks out for me. Does the enforced anonymity around rape victims make journalism about rape inherently fraught? This is the subject of a smart piece by Geneva Overholser, former editor of The Des Moines Register who has gone on to many prestigious jobs in journalism and academia. She asks, trenchantly, “How do you size up a problem that’s largely hidden?” — Lydia Polgreen

So there’s a lot of hand-wringing about how on the one hand but on the other hand and it’s all inherently fraught and zzzzzzzzz …

No.

It is a complete hoax, one that gulled almost the entire media establishment for a dozen days. Why? Because they want to believe in Haven Monahan.

 

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  1. I always tried to avoid girls like that. One enquiry about my zodiac sign, and I was off.

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  2. I read and commented on the initial posts about this story. Now it’s become too unfathomably weird for me to follow or understand. “Shattered Glass” indeed.

    Even by the incomparably high standards of 21- year old women, Jackie’s level of mental instability is disturbing.

  3. I’m inclined to cut a love struck 20 year old woman a lot of slack. Clearly this was a ruse that got way away from her.

    Onto it appears to have been grafted the story of that 40 something ‘rape survivor’ — a person who has an actual conviction but I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the result of a false confession, or at least the confession of a guy who knows he didn’t behave exactly gentlemanly on a night 20+ years ago and feels the need to atone (he got 15 months, not exactly a harsh sentence).

    And then you have Rolling Stone — a journal I was surprised to hear was still in business when they published that iconic image of the Chechen Bomber. It’s struggling to stay alive, and it hooks up with this Erderly-Rubin or whatever her name is chick, and she’s got her agenda, and her agenda is pre-approved like a credit offer, and so her story goes through and is published.

    Finally, and most sinisterly, you’ve got a ‘Justice’ department on the warpath. Just Google (Title IX suits). Back in my day, Title IX was used for the relatively harmless purpose of destroying ‘lesser’ male athletic programs — example UCLA crew (yes, it exists, as a ‘pay to play’ program) in order to make financial support available to women’s badminton (or whateve). Now… Title IX is being used practically to paint universities as co-conspirators in getting freshwomen drunk and having them regret some actions they took in that state. So much so that a ‘Title IX compliance officer’ is apparently required now.

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  4. “For iSteve, commenter Harold transcribed…”

    Hey that’s me! Achievement unlocked (as the kids say).

  5. Ann Coulter made the same point in her column this week: http://www.anncoulter.com

    With feminists, either you lose or the game was rained out.

    So before anyone moves on from UVA, we need to get it in writing that this case was a hoax. Jackie’s got to apologize to the fraternity; UVA’s president has to not only apologize, but pay restitution to the Greek system for shutting it down for an entire semester; and Rolling Stone authoress Sabrina Rubin Erdely has got to swear that she will never, ever write again.

  6. Off topic, Steve, maybe you can write something interesting or funny or otherwise iStevish on the North Koreans’ Sony hack.

    You know, Korea is the prime example of how HBD doesn’t matter, it’s all the environment, like you can see how North Korea is as poor as Ghana. Except that of course no matter what kind of dictator Ghana would have, they would never be capable of cracking US computer systems. And this from the guys who managed to build a functioning nuclear reactor. But yeah, it’s all the environment.

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  7. I’m inclined to cut a love struck 20 year old woman a lot of slack.

    Me too. She’s still an adult who needs to face some consequences. Like apologizing for the mess that she helped to create. (I don’t think she needs to show her face on television. A written apology would be just fine.) But it’s easy to forgive her. It’s much harder to forgive Rolling Stone, Rubin-Erdely, The New York Times, and all the other players who exploited her story for their own political ends.

  8. It is a shame that Hollywood has bowed down to threats of terrorism from North Korea. Now they can only make fun of Western nations.

    Like Israel.

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  9. The two paragraphs read as if they were extracted from separate communications. The first reads as if it is in reply to something. The second reads as if she is describing her new group of friends to an old friend. This seems like rather consummate deception for someone who thinks it is believable for Haven to send this email after organising a sexual assualt on her. The paragraphs don’t read to me as if they were fabricated for the purpose of sending to Ryan by Jackie posing as Haven. If they weren’t, who were they originally written for? Someone who later became a co-conspirator in making Ryan jealous? A highschool friend she was keeping in touch with? And who wasn’t, before the last incongruous email was sent, apprised of their concocted Haven having supposedly organised a sexual assault on Jackie?

    This is better than a Mexican soap!

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  10. Interesting. Maybe Jackie was having a confederate send the texts and emails?

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  11. Thanks, Harold.

    Can you read the header lines? (Although it looks like the first line may have been cut off.)

  12. It’s really good writing…she has a natural rhythm and flow that is easy to read.

    But her subject matter and style is the unfortunate byproduct of Twilight movies and books, and all those Young Adult Series that encourage this stream of consciousness writing and not actual scholarship.

    She’s a smart, creative girl….who does take action. It’s sad that her creativity had to be hijacked by this obsessive hormonal spew.

    She needs morality and logic, on top of her current intelligence….Something that was never taught to her from all her YA books.

    Morality and Logic which was of course completely ignored by Rubin and UVA and the media.

    Jackie should and needs to apologize so that she can in a few years ‘grow up’ and reach her full potential.

    As the other commentator said, UVA needs to pay a big fine to the Greeks, Rolling Stone too, and Rubin should should be relegated to a basement floor post room.

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  13. Or the spoofing site allows you to schedule emails ahead of time, and she screwed up?

  14. Are sorority girls less likely to trip up like Jackie did?

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  15. It’s interesting but please do not presume its meaning is obvious. If so, why does Ryan seem so oblivious to its implication? It clearly can’t be as obvious as you let on.

    What is that snippet saying, exactly?

    The first has one point of view, the second another, if I’m reading correctly. Does that imply she faked the first POV and then slipped into her real POV?

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  16. The first visible line is the date: Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:33 PM
    Then the subject, which I can’t read. If I had to take a stab: “about u”.
    Then the ‘to’ field.

    Then the first line of the email which looks like:

    you should read this. iv never read anything nicer in my life.

    Unlike Jackie’s writing, the beginning of the sentences definitely aren’t capitalised. The “iv” is hard to read but this is what Ryan says it says in the clip. It doesn’t have an apostrophe, unlike Jackie’s writing which has all the appropriate apostrophes (even if I accidently trancribed them as single opening quotes).

  17. Sony execs will no doubt be takin’ it to the streets in “Don’t Nuke Me, Bro” tees.

  18. It’s not impossible that Ryan wants to end all unfounded accusations without hurting Jackie too much.

  19. The second paragraph more likely begins with “So, then”, rather than “Now, then”.

    Dave Pinsen, do you think if Jackie were going to fabricate something she supposedly sent to Haven so she could send it to Ryan as Haven, that she would make sure to write what seems to be two separate excerpts just to make it extra believable?

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  20. Reformat Jackie’s “About Me” Epistle to Ryan for double-spacing and you’ve got yourself a successful thesis for a degree in Women’s Studies.

  21. 1) Because Ryan is a politically correct fool, or wants to be perceived that way

    The REason Why THe Two ParaGraphs Seem Disjointed Explained:

    It’s just two segments of two different emails she sent from Jackie to ‘Haven’

    But…

    What it REALLY is, these are two snippets from different diary/journal entries that Jackie is very proud of the writing and she wants Ryan to read.

    There’s a lot of pride here in these two paragraphs.

    Don’t think so hard you guys, this is very poetic. I had a male friend who wrote this type of shit in his journals about his first girlfriend who left him. Imagine picking your favorite two entries and sending them to the person you love. That’s what this is

  22. Remember: There may be one more major bit at this apple. Rolling Stone is “re-reporting” the story. Maybe they’ll see this as a major shot at redemption, so they’ll throw Rubin-Erdely under the bus, and really come clean. Maybe they’ll mention other recent rape hoaxes or even question the “one in five” statistic.

    Well, a guy can dream, can’t he?

  23. Priss Factor [AKA "terrapin gape"]
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    “But her subject matter and style is the unfortunate byproduct of Twilight movies and books”

    No way!

    Bella act like that? Never.

  24. Earlier in this saga, I observed that so-called Rape Activists are attempting to reprise an “I believe” mindset in force decades ago against black men accused of assaulting or even just disrespecting white women. (In extremis see Emmet Till.)

    The driving impulses being the fear that someone guilty may go unpunished and, more importantly, the reviled class will forget its place.

    We should not therefore be surprised in the current jihad against a “pervasive culture of rape on college campuses,” that fictitious atrocities may even be preferred for their displays of power, and thus demoralization effect.

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  25. I’m confused. Is the idea that Jackie wrote this to the rapist whoforwarded it to the friend?

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  26. Usually what happens is if the dominant media (or society in general) believes something foolish, and then it is pointed out to them, what follows is a long silence. Put another way, people rarely own up to being fools, you know you have won when they just stop talking about it.

    I realize everyone who felt this UVA story was false are waiting for the apologies and recognition. It won’t happen. What is happening is silence, and that’s all we’re gonna get. If that doesn’t seem like enough, remember that if this story hadn’t been exploded, “Jackie” would have been Person of the Year as emblematic of the Crisis of Gang Rape on America’s Campus, and the POTUS would mention creating new laws against sexual assault in his State of the Union address (which might just happen anyway.)

    The UVA story undoubtedly started as a hoax by Jackie. But no question in my mind that SRE and the media that picked it up believed it. That points to the delusional aspects of human nature, especially when one becomes a Social Justice Warrior. Was Don Quixote their patron saint? Hmmm.

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    “Does the enforced anonymity around rape victims make journalism about rape inherently fraught?”

    Does this sentence bother anyone else? Doesn’t “fraught” require a prepositional phrase afterward to have any meaning. If you reorder the words to put the adjective with its subject, you get “fraught journalism [about rape])”

  28. I think it’s hilarious that people are doing textual analysis on the scribblings of this cray-cray as if there was some meaning to be unlocked other that “I LOOOOOOVE RYAN!!!!!”

    Jackie displays many symptoms of borderline personality disorder, one of which is overidealization of people , followed by excessive disparagement when they don’t live up to your expectations.

    Even without considering whether Ryan is gay, it’s clear from the interviews that he’s a low-T kind of guy and someone emotionally volatile like Jackie was much too much woman for him to handle. Jackie needs a borderline personality guy to pair up with so they can alternate between wild hot sex and beating each other up. Her story about doing 7 guys at once with blood all around was (on some level) the expression of a sad-masochistic fantasy Even now Ryan can’t entirely process that Jackie is a (literally) pathological liar, but his Spidey sense told him from the outset not to get entangled in a romance with this hot mess.

  29. I’m inclined to cut a love struck 20 year old woman a lot of slack.

    I’m not. The University of Virginia need to toss her out on her derriere and her father needs to tell her she can get a workaday job.

  30. A whole lot of people, however, are going to remember this story not as an utter hoax, but as a complicated situation in which the Rolling Stone reporter maybe messed up by violating some boring journalist protocol by not calling people to get their pro forma denials so that the whole thing could have been more of a He Said, She Said. The only thing that millions of people are going to remember is that Sabrina Rubin Erdely should have been a little more nuanced.

    This encapsulates the entire mainstream media; how it works, how powerful it is and how it is utterly abused either negligently or purposefully for nefarious purposes.

    No one remembers anything the way it actually happened, but it’s a feature, not a bug. It is the way media and its influence on our collectively memory works.

  31. So … Jackie calls her friends, Ryan and Alex. They have the good sense to invite frenemy Catherine (or whatever her name is) to the initial meeting after the trauma. And then Jackie doesn’t want Catherine around for the initial discussion.

    And then, two of the three friends, excluding the woman, spend the night with Jackie. The guys, Ryan and Alex, sleeping on the floor. Once again, Ryan is either smart or lucky, having Alex as a witness. Or Jackie could get rid of one of the friends, but not the other.

    Did Jackie brush her teeth that night? If so, did she take a lot of time?

    Did Jackie say anything about not needing both Alex and Ryan?

    I know that ‘friends’ of the opposite sex frequently ‘stay over’ and ‘sleep on the floor’ …. A lot of times it doesn’t end up exactly like that.

    As far as the official record … no one believes that her story is true. However, there still seems to be a reluctance to say that nothing happened that night to Jackie. Especially Ryan.

    That’s the stuff I want to know about.

    Anyway, there are books to be written. People Magazine articles. Police investigation. UVA still has to back off the frat ban.

    There is no, ‘she said / he said’ without a he. Jackie KNOWS who she dated that night, if anyone. We know it isn’t Haven. And Drew? We know he isn’t her date either. So … either Jackie knows who she went out with that night, or else she is severely impaired.

  32. You begin to wonder, do you not, whether she might be clever as well as bonkers.

  33. As soon as Jackie opened a textbook and began to read, she thought only about Ryan.

    As soon as she began to write a homework assignment, she thought only about Ryan.

    While her teachers explained any topic, she thought only about Ryan.

    Just a month after the school year began, Jackie already was doomed to fail as a student.

  34. WhatEvvs [AKA "Bemused"]
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    And then you have Rolling Stone — a journal I was surprised to hear was still in business when they published that iconic image of the Chechen Bomber. It’s struggling to stay alive, and it hooks up with this Erderly-Rubin or whatever her name is chick, and she’s got her agenda, and her agenda is pre-approved like a credit offer, and so her story goes through and is published.

    What bothers me about Steve Sailer’s coverage of this debacle is that Jann Wenner’s name has been conspicuously absent. He’s the Wizard behind the screen.

    I wish that RS were struggling to stay alive but I don’t think so. It’s a very connected part of the Hollywood Industrial Complex. Wenner owns the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and is loaded.

    It would be fun if the North Koreans could hack his account.

    Really, in the long run, this is small potatoes, while the Sony hacking is big potatoes. For some reason, Steve Sailer doesn’t care about that….is it because the perfidy of women and Jews gets his commenter crowd all riled up, and hacking doesn’t?

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    My guess right now would be that Jackie and a friend of hers (let’s call her HS friend) BOTH had control of Haven Monahan’s fake account.

    Jackie is a smart girl. She knew she had to have someone to send text messages to her UVA friends WHILE she was present otherwise it would be too suspicious that Haven Monahan would only answer messages when Jackie was absent.

    So this is what happened: Jackie and HS friend created this fake account and started to communicate with her UVA friends trying to make Ryan jealous and to show him how her feelings for him were really strong and truly special. Maybe Ryan would change his mind after that… right?

    Then she went at this fake date, had a psychotic break realizing Ryan would never change his mind and called Ryan saying she was gang raped. She probably thought he would come alone, help her and they would spend the night together.

    Instead, he brought 2 friends and the plan didn’t work out at all.

    The following days, Jackie recovered from her psychotic break and was ashamed to tell her HS friend about the gang rape invention. She probably just said that she was really sad because she was more certain than ever that Ryan would never be hers.

    Then, HS friend, without knowing about the Gang Rape Hoax, decided to act by herself and sent that e-mail to Ryan with nice things that Jackie had written to her. You know, trying to help Jackie.

    What do you think?

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  36. “This is the subject of a smart piece by Geneva Overholser, former editor of The Des Moines Register who has gone on to many prestigious jobs in journalism and academia. She asks, trenchantly, “How do you size up a problem that’s largely hidden?””

    Hope the Times doesn’t strain a muscle patting itself on the back there: the people who write articles for our rag are “smart”, “prestigious”, and “trenchant”. The old media is becoming ridiculous in their self-delusion. They are becoming as self-laudatory as is Hollywood, with their (now, seemingly) monthly award galas for this, that or the other.

  37. Well done Harold.

    Normally I wouldn’t mock the thoughts and feelings of a young girl smitten with someone for the first time, but considering her getting rejected led to the mess we’re in, it’s okay to have some fun.

    Gabrielle[?] said I shouldn’t give up, she said she read this quote once that said, “There’s nothing more beautiful than the way ocean refuses to stop kissing the shoreline no matter how many times it’s sent away.”

    Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

  38. “The first has one point of view, the second another, if I’m reading correctly. Does that imply she faked the first POV and then slipped into her real POV?”

    No need to overthink it. These are two different excerpts from texts she had written previously, perhaps in an email to someone else, or to a personal journal, and then she copy-pasted only the parts mentioning Ryan and forwarded them to him from “Haven Monahan”‘s account. It was a last attempt by Jackie to reach Ryan, or rather, just a confession of love and an admission of defeat, as even the fake rape story failed to move him. At this point I think she gave up, as the ending makes clear she has no hope anymore, and just wanted to get it out.

    However, what is strange for me is why she would talk to Rolling Stone about this fake rape almost two years later, when clearly it didn’t work for her objectives (to impress Ryan), so there was no point at all in promoting that story. Unless she’s really an attention-whore and this goes much beyond her crush on Ryan, or she is crazy and started to believe it really happened.

  39. On the one hand, I’m against the you-go-girl crap that tries to twist women’s arms into going to work when they don’t really want to. But on the other hand, smart women with nothing to do but send the kids off to school are the devil’s own tools. Before WW II when most housewives didn’t have modern conveniences, and people had a lot more kids, they were too busy and tired to cause problems, no matter how smart they were. But it doesn’t take nearly as much energy to take care of one or two kids with a clothes washer and dryer, microwave, dishwasher, etc. My point is that I hope the economy finds a way for Jackie and girls like her to be productive instead of sitting around scheming and fomenting drama.

    My experiences with the local PTO which includes several female ex-lawyers of course have nothing to do with this observation.

  40. Rubin should should be relegated to a basement floor post room.

    Maybe she could work for @Salondotcom. It’s one of the only places where readers could actually trust her work.

  41. This is so sad! I had such high expectations for the Rolling Stone and Matt Taibbi. But the RS covered their keister with “discrepancies” and then Matt came charging in to rescue Coco MacPherson, telling us she is a rigorous, demanding fact-checker.

    Who can believe a word they say anymore? They aren’t stupid. They read. They read you, for sure, Steve! They see everything that we see and they understand exactly their role as tools, functionaries, in the greater SJW narrative.

    This story is crying out to be told, in detail, by a grubby-fingered, relentless reporter of the old school. This is a perfect Matt Taibbi story! But the RS and Matt have been utterly co-opted. Rather than cleaning their escutcheon, they throw a blanket of silence over it and hope the problem goes away … quickly.

    Hell, that little Mohammed investor kid has more integrity. He did not say there were “discrepancies”. He said, “I lied”.

    This, for me, is a watershed. I can no longer believe anything the MSM, the Rolling Stone and their writers say. Let them write their bodice-rippers for college girls.

  42. Steve,
    Are you really surprised that the mainstream media didn’t check out anything about this story? There are websites devoted to chapter and verse of the 9/11 anomalies that the mainstream media ignores or pooh-poohs but at least we all know there are “9/11 truthers.”

    What about the Neda story? That’s more analogous to the UVA rape story. It won the Polk award, a prestigious journalism award (O’Reilly used to brag about winning a Polk). The Neda story is anonymous. Theres nothing to nail down any truth. At least the UVA story had these friends and their texts/emails. With “Neda,” an anonymous video is posted on the internet and theres a flurry of twitter hashtags. We are told that it shows a woman got out of a car several blocks from a demonstration in Tehran and government a government sniper shot her dead. She’s not a public figure; she’s not even carrying a sign. But that is supposed to enrage us even more! See, the Iranian government will kill anyone and for no particular reason.

    The identity of “Neda” is confused; why there was someone videoing her getting out of a car is unexplained because whoever it was is anonymous; theres confusion about whether she was shot in the head or the chest; CNN interviews a doctor who is in the video trying to save her; doctor disappears; her family disappears; her supposed fiancé was a photojournalist who then traveled to Israel; an update to the story that the gunman was captured by Neda friends but they let him go and just held onto his ID card. Its a mess of a story but it was bigger in the mainstream media than the UVA gang rape story. Obama did a riff about it at a press conference, calling it “heartbreaking.”

    We can only hope that the mainstream media will be more careful after they get embarrassed but they get away with it most of the time and that’s a big incentive.

  43. From Dan Henninger’s column, titled “The New Stupid Party” in the Wall Street Journal on December 17.

    …. the Democratic left’s high-publicity wing insists on doing stupid things in public that turn off more voters than they turn on.

    The most publicized media story of recent times is the discredited Rolling Stone article about an alleged fraternity gang rape at the University of Virginia. For the media itself, the big story here was the magazine’s poor journalistic practices. But most people don’t care about that. What they saw until the story began to unravel was due process turned upside down—the fraternity judged guilty until proven innocent.

    As designed by the U.S. Justice Department, campus investigations of sexual-abuse accusations under Title IX are subject to a weaker standard of due process. The left argues that justice for victims requires this exception to legal norms. But Democrats can’t claim to be surprised if their disruptions of American notions of guilt and innocence before the law cause some people to distance themselves from the party.

    In October, 28 members of the Harvard Law School faculty—their politics ranging from left to right—signed an open letter to Harvard’s administration asserting that what the school calls its Office for Sexual and Gender-Based Dispute Resolution “lacks the most basic elements of fairness and due process.”

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/dan-henninger-the-new-stupid-party-1418862634

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    @ Steve

    On what date did Jackie send that email to Haven? Was it after the alleged rape?

  45. Maybe Y’all are over thinking her tribute to Ryan. Maybe we just have a love struck young girl writing to her muse, in her diary? Like younger girls scribble the name of their crush over and over in their notebook. Then one day she found another use for a couple of those paragraphs and off they went via “Haven”.

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    Snatch(er) in the Rye?

    But her writing pales next to that half-asian boy who shot up a bunch of people and wrote a long-ish memoir on the net about how nobody wuvs him even though he is sooooooo ‘magnificent’.

    I think part of the problem is the pervasiveness of victim mentality. But another is narcissism.
    It used to be victim-hood used to be about being oppressed by the rich, the powerful, and etc. It used to be about poor folks and minorities not being treated as equals.

    Nowadays, victim-hood often means the world not agreeing with your self-assessment. Mirror mirror on the wall, who’s the greatest victim of them all. Me, cuz world doesn’t see how ‘magnificent’ I am.

    Jackie’s narcissism is more devious. It’s not physically narcissistic. Her writing(via ‘Haven’) doesn’t say she’s good-looking(because she probably isn’t). But there’s the narcissism of the ‘goodness’ of her heart that is soooooo in love with Duffin the Muffin. She’s in love with her love for Duffin the Muffin, and she wants Duffin the Muffin to fall in love with her love for him.

    If you can’t fall in love with me, fall in love with my love for you. Gah!

    Well… at least she didn’t kill anybody.

    Narcissivictim.

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    In the long run, idiot Norks only gave the film free publicity.
    It will be released eventually.

    But if they did it, I’m glad because it exposed Hollywood in yet another Lib vs Lib war.
    Norks NSA-ed Hollywood. Rotfl.

    The very people who howled at Donald Sterling and never thought to defend his privacy are now under the same kind of heat. LOL.

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    http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2014-12-17.html

    “Not only did the UVA gang rape turn out to be a hoax, but then President Obama’s own Department of Justice completed a six-year study on college rape, and it turns out that instead of 1-in-5 college coeds being raped, the figure is 0.03-in-5.”

    There’s surely more truth in the statement that 1 out of 5 Jews in America in the 1940 and 1950s were communists than the notion that 1 out of 5 college coeds are raped.

    But HUAC and McCarthy were PARANOID whereas feminists get to spread lies with the full support of the media controlled by… Bosnian-Americans?

    CRUCIBLE was about the anti-communist ‘witch-hunt’.

    But now it applies more to feminist nuts.

    Academia is rapedemia?

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    Academia or academentia?

    If indeed less than 1% of women are raped in colleges than 1 out of 5, then we need to blame men for not fulfilling quotas demanded by feminists.

    By proving feminists wrong by not raping enough, men have proven themselves to be anti-feminist.

    Sexist pigs.

    Maybe colleges should fund a campaign that encourages more men to rape so that feminists could feel justified in their hatred of men.

  50. “For iSteve, commenter Harold transcribed…”

    Hey that’s me! Achievement unlocked (as the kids say).

    You loser! While you sit at home on a Wednesday night, doing your two-bits for truth and due process, don’t you know Sabrina Rubin Ederly is probably partying it up with all the cool people at Apple’s iCuisinart unveiling. Beyonce is there. And Tina Fey. And Will.I.Am . And they’re all eating bacon-wrapped scallops wrapped in bacon-wrapped shrimp.

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  51. I’m a fraternity man at a large state school. Sororities are just like fraternities in that they are essentially cartels, although sororities function by trying to regulate the supply of a certain commodity which should be obvious, and fraternities function by allowing young men to pool their resources to overcome logistical problems to facilitate acquiring said commodity. As these groups are in competition with rivals in the Greek council, there is a high degree of enforcement of social standards in the top houses. That’s why this whole story seemed bogus immediately, no fraternity is going to risk their charter, which is an inexhaustible pipeline of the commodity, for a one off. That’s insane. Plus Phi Psi has a reputation as the closeted gay house.

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  52. Here’s another version of the email, sent out on October 3, 2012, that is, 5 days after the alleged sexual assault.

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/12/18/what-uva-student-jackie-wrote-in-email-about-friend-she-liked/

    It’s just insane.

  53. My thoughts exactly. It’s very good especially for someone who was basically still a high school kid at the time. Certainly a lot more pleasant than some of the bricks that come out of the Iowa Writer’s Workshop.

    I should point out to older readers that this sort of mixed-up, co-ed soft fraternizing is very much the thing now among urban, college-educated kids (I know the deal from younger relatives and some unmarried friends who have transitioned into this scene). Basically a nucleus of college friends forms a group that hangs out together, sleep together, still hang out together after they move on to sleeping with other people, still hang together after they stop sleeping with those out-group people. Very much like the scene depicted in HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER.

    Anyway, Jackie could have a promising career ahead of her in literature. And handling the translation to the screen of her novels…

    “You know Jackie is actually that same girl 20 years ago down at UVA…”
    “You mean…”
    “Yes, she’s the girl who was that rape crisis survivor.”

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    So what this all boils down to is that Jackie made up this whole story in the hopes that it would make a boy she had a crush on feel sorry enough for her that he’d finally go out with her.

    How could dreamy Ryan say “no” to her now, after all that she’d been through and after reading that heartfelt, love-sick letter that gang-rapist Hannibal Lector / Haven Monahan forwarded to her.

    Basically, she was looking for the female equivalent of “pity sex.”

  55. Interesting. Maybe Jackie was having a confederate send the texts and emails?

    My guess would be that she just liked writing about how obsessed she was with Ryan for her own enjoyment and it was not originally written to anyone, the “you” notwithstanding. (Though actually, if it really were originally written to someone else this emotional indulgence was no doubt the real point regardless.) It’s like a diary, she might have reams of this material. I’d bet the two sections were just tossed together randomly from such a source.

    Chicks man, they don’t know nothing about hovering around someone who rejected them in hopes that they spontaneously, randomly change their mind. What is the first rule of stalker club? Don’t let them know you’re crazy.

  56. If Randall/Ryan has a pet rabbit he should probably be keeping a close eye on it.

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    Gabrielle said I shouldn’t give up, she said she read this quote once that said, “There’s nothing more beautiful than the way ocean refuses to stop kissing the shoreline no matter how many times it’s sent away.”

    It’s amazing how chicks can turn sexual harassment into romance when they are the harassers. Guys, don’t believe this cr@p. You should NEVER “refuse to stop kissing when you are sent away.”

  58. Back when I was in college in the ’70s there were a lot of girls like Jackie around: passionate, confused, depressed, scared, romantic, silly, boiling-over with feelings and hormones, prone to futile romantic pursuits and stupid game-playing … But they didn’t have smartphones, they didn’t have access to much in the way women’s studies and rape-counseling, they hadn’t been raised by over-encouraging helicopter parents, and the culture around them wasn’t in the grip of a politicized moral panic. So their dramas were confined to the campus or, usually, their small groups of friends. They dropped out, or went into therapy, or grew up. I haven’t seen anything yet suggesting that Jackie’s other than a fairly typical overdramatic freshman girl. It’s all the other factors that have changed.

    Girls are getting nothing but positive feedback these days. Their feelings can be sweet and touching, and girls are largely made up of feelings anyway, so they shouldn’t be put down for their emotionality. But they really need more feedback and correction, and they really need to hear that their feelings often don’t reflect reality accurately. What we’re seeing these days is what happens when girls’ imaginations and feelings receive nothing but encouragement. It all spins out of control and whirls off into (and creates) weird fantasylands.

    Camille Paglia checks in:

    http://time.com/3444749/camille-paglia-the-modern-campus-cannot-comprehend-evil/

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    “And this from the guys who managed to build a functioning nuclear reactor.

    And build a 100-storey skyscraper and tie up 40k US troops for several decades, and most importantly, achieve total sovereignty and ethnic continuity while opting out of cultural Marxism.

  60. This Ryan guy is no rocket scientist. How in the name of God could he go on CNN this week and keep a straight face when saying he believed “something bad happen to Jackie that night” knowing all the BS that both proceeded that night and what happen a few days after that night? For example, Jackie tells him to read an e-mail written by a guy who arranged her group sodomization only five days previously and old Ryan says “oh k dokey Jackie I will read that e-mail cause you say it says a lot of nice stuff bout me”. What planet does that make sense on?

    Ryan is the worse example of the “sensitive” liberal prototype. He cannot bring himself to have an opinion about anything that he is really part of. If you asked Ryan for his opinion on universal health care, the Iraq War, Michael Brown etc. he would not be shy about going on for hours about his opinions, but if he has first hand knowledge that someone concocted the biggest pile of horse crap story in the world and hurt thousands of his fellow classmates in the process just to get his attention, he cannot call a spade a spade and instead spews forth nonsense like “it is important we keep the focus on campus sexual assaults”. No Ryan it is important you remove your head from your anus.

    If Ryan was my son, I would take him out of UVA for a year and force him to work in a manual labor job. Per “Cool Hand Luke” the boys got to get his mind right.

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    “Well yeah… Ryan is fine. Ryan’s great, actually. I mean he’s smart. He’s sensitive. He’s funny. He’s a scaredy cat.”

    Scaredy cat?

    I think I found Jackie.

  62. For example, it’s now more than a week after the Washington Post bombshell, and the Newspaper of Record still hasn’t admitted anything.

    If our current culture allows the neocons to self-admiringly present themselves as, in the immortal words of Ahmed Chalabi, “heroes in error,” why expect the SJWs to do anything but the self-admiring same.

  63. As these groups are in competition with rivals in the Greek council, there is a high degree of enforcement of social standards in the top houses. That’s why this whole story seemed bogus immediately, no fraternity is going to risk their charter, which is an inexhaustible pipeline of the commodity, for a one off.

    Good point.

    And the uppercrust fratty guys I knew at my large Southern school had very good options for women. These were guys with good pedigrees, brains and money who’d never risk their own lives to get a piece of sub-standard psycho tail like Jackie or a $3 ratchet ho like Crystal Mangum. A lot of them are quite cocky, but often rightfully so considering the looks of some of the co-eds they are able to bed.

    I’m still trying to figure out why everyone thinks that any white man with money would want to screw (let alone rape) Crystal Mangum when she was giving it away like coupons.

    And in the UVA case getting 7 frat guys together in one place to coordinate a weekend rape is also not easy, even when they live in the same house. Guys go home on weekends, have dates, gym, dinner, library, football games, stuff to do – frat houses are frequently more than half empty on weekends except when there’s a coordinated event like rush or a mixer party.

    Liberals are simply clueless in their haste to find that great white uppercrust defendant. It’s getting more and more comical with each case and I think that a lot of moderate whites are starting to gravitate towards the right upon seeing the animus directed towards successful white males who don’t toe the liberal line.

  64. The UVA story undoubtedly started as a hoax by Jackie. But no question in my mind that SRE and the media that picked it up believed it. That points to the delusional aspects of human nature, especially when one becomes a Social Justice Warrior. Was Don Quixote their patron saint? Hmmm.

    Wasn’t Don Quixote out to avenge imagined sleights to his honor though? Whereas SJWs are defending their victimhood, their status as victims.

    As with the distinction between survivor and victim. A survivor continues to grow (or at least survives), whereas a victim not so much. I am a victim of life it’s trying to kill me.

    “Does the enforced anonymity around rape victims make journalism about rape inherently fraught?”

    Does this sentence bother anyone else? Doesn’t “fraught” require a prepositional phrase afterward to have any meaning. If you reorder the words to put the adjective with its subject, you get “fraught journalism [about rape])”

    It is an awkward construction. “Fraught” is listed in my American Heritage Dictionary as an adjective, though i would have said it is a participle of an obsolete verb. Whether or not participles need an auxiliary verb is a matter of style and usage, and in the quoted selection the NYT is trying to be edgy and failing. And so the Times demonstrates that not only do they miss the boat in terms of content, they miss it their style too, which is worse. omg ten times forever! i am a millennial and what is cool is my stock and trade! if you can’t do tinder sex you can still get me from the Times! we are edgy and prestigious and will always be because NY and history and prestige. David Carr!

    The question asked, awkward usage and all, deserves consideration, though. The anonymity extended to rape accusers is part of their pass, their get-out-of-jail-free card, which they are mis-using; and but establishment journalism is using that problem to camouflage their negligence. If rape accusers are extended the benefit of anonymity for their safety, how does that excuse a journalist from fact checking? The rape accuser’s identity is known to the journalist, so that doesn’t work for an excuse, it’s a bunch of bs.

    But the meta-point is that the conversation (here and there, incidentally) has devolved into media criticism, when what is at issue is who is being raped and who is getting fucked. The prestige press is suggesting that the criticism to be made is to the particulars of some of their procedure, but the real question is what assumptions they are taking for granted.

    At this point those assumptions hardly need mentioning, but well what are they. Our father didn’t really lay down the law, and now no one wants to do it.

    It’s really good writing…she has a natural rhythm and flow that is easy to read.

    But her subject matter and style is the unfortunate byproduct of Twilight movies and books, and all those Young Adult Series that encourage this stream of consciousness writing and not actual scholarship.

    She’s a smart, creative girl….who does take action. It’s sad that her creativity had to be hijacked by this obsessive hormonal spew.

    She needs morality and logic, on top of her current intelligence….Something that was never taught to her from all her YA books.

    Pretty much. There are all sorts of people who can talk a mile a minute, but what are they trying to say.

    Which criticism would apply here too, of course. What is the point? Some college girl wants to get attention and she got it and the story was made up and now what?

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    I think a part of the problem is kids are raised today to be rats, snitches, and tattle-talers.
    With Christians, it was all about heathens, witches, and etc. With communists, it was about bourgeoisie and capitalists. With PC, it’s all about ‘racists’, ‘sexists’, ‘homophobes’, and etc.
    Education is geared toward identifying/recognizing/spotting bad people, elements, and ideas and blowing the whistle on them. And what is ‘bad’ is decided by the powers-that-be. It’s like a bloodhound will only focus on the scent it is given to sniff. It ignores all else.
    PC gave the scent of ‘evil white male’, and so bloodhounds of PC go sniffing for the Evil White Male.
    There is even an Evil White Male spray, one that Sabrina used. She couldn’t find real Evil White Males, so she sprayed a certain college with Evil White Male spray and began a frenzy of barking.

    Ideally, education should encourage people to understand, use logic, be skeptical, be critical, be empathetic(on an individual basis instead of being told ‘you must empathize with this’ and ‘you must NOT empathize with that’), and etc. So, whatever the issue or topic may be, an ideal education should say, Try to Understand before You Pass Judgement. Try to understand even if you disagree. But much of education from young age to college is geared toward TAKE A WHIFF OF THIS EVIL SCENT AND BARK OUT LOUD WHEN YOU FIND IT. Identify, condemn, and judge. Nothing else is necessary.

    So, entire generations since the 80s have been geared not to be critical and individualistic but to look for certain ‘evils’ such as ‘racism’, ‘sexism’, ‘homophobia’, ‘antisemitism’, and etc. Same with the media. Consider that there is no attempt to understand why there have been ‘antisemitic’ ideas and feelings throughout the ages. Even if one finally condemns antisemitism, one should at least try to understand why such feelings were so prevalent. But we are told that there were no grounds whatsoever for antisemitism and that whoever felt any hostility toward Jews were sick in the head, and that’s that and end of discussion. This kind of mentality suppresses any real thought about Jewish history. It only encourages people to blow the whistle on any expression that might be construed as ‘antisemitic’, as Gregg Easterbrook found out.

    And the same kind of mentality have been applied to blacks, feminists, homos, and etc. So, let us never think critically about issues pertaining to them. Let’s just see them as perfect victims. And let’s look for Evil White Males who may have said or done something that is ‘racist’, ‘sexist’, ‘homophobic’, and etc.

    I recall attending a screening of Jacques Tati’s PLAYTIME on 70 mm. After the screening, there was a question session, and whole bunch of young viewers could only ask stuff like “Is the film ‘racist’?” and etc. (The film has a black Jazz band and a short Japanese tourist.)
    This is how a lot of young people approach arts and culture. They don’t try to understand and critique the complexity, ambiguity, and multiple-meaning of the work. They just look for tell-tale signs of evils associated with Evil White Males: ‘antisemitism’, ‘sexism’, ‘racism’, ‘homophobia’.
    English Departments teach literature like this. The most idiotic student in English I met was a black female who complained why Hemingway mentioned a ‘black squirrel’ in one of his stories. Why ‘black’? This is how these clowns think. They are like bloodhounds looking for certain ‘evil’ scents than looking into deeper meanings and implications. And once the scents have been identified, that becomes the central issue of the narrative.

    It’s disappointing when artists do the same. In the blu-ray TAXI DRIVER documentary, Schrader and Scorsese talk so much shit about how Bickle is a ‘racist’. This is funny when Bickle’s neurosis was very much their own to a good extent.
    Such craven yammering is annoying because Bickle is more than a ‘racist’. The term ‘racist’ simply cannot sum up a complex personality and psychology of someone like him. After all, he lives and works in a world filled with all sorts of dark and disturbing realities, much of it related to race. If one says, ‘Bickle is a racist’, it implies that he’s just a nasty hater. In fact, he’s reacting in his own dark and disturbed way to the world around him that is filled with all sorts of pathologies(which Liberals were doing everything to avoid and flee from, by the way).

    So, Bickle is racially neurotic than ‘racist’. And art is about digging for truths behind pat terms, slogans, and formulas with which we often judge society. I would say he is raciotic — racially neurotic — than ‘racist’, which is too pat, easy, and simple as a moral judgement.
    In TAXI DRIVER, we can’t help but feel that, nutty as he is, he is onto something about the darkness of the city that most people either ignore, succumb to, or flee from. He resists and responds. The wrong way, but he seeks his own existential mythic meaning.

    Likewise, a lot of what is called ‘sexist’ is really sexiotic or sexually neurotic, but then the nature of art is neurotic since the artist must look through the cracks in the facade of normality.
    Given the contradictory message of society that tells young people to ‘take your clothes off, party and drink beer, and Fuc*’ and ‘rape! rape! rape!’, the sexual culture on campuses are filled with all sorts of tensions. It’s a worthy topic of discussion. But Rolling Stone only sent a bloodhound to look for ‘rape’ and ‘sexism’. It’s ironic given that Rolling Stone magazine promotes beer ads, rap music, and stuff that feminists have been denouncing as ‘misogynist’. Maybe RS thought it could buy some grace with feminists if they publish a pro-feminist article.

  66. Really, in the long run, this is small potatoes, while the Sony hacking is big potatoes. For some reason, Steve Sailer doesn’t care about that….is it because the perfidy of women and Jews gets his commenter crowd all riled up, and hacking doesn’t?

    What are you proposing be done about Sony, here in this discussion?

    Women and jews are good topics for discussion, in the creation of a counter-narrative, because they are the crucial elements.

    Society works by containing its rabble rousers. (Now what society might be working for is an entirely different and bigger and more difficult question, and one which no one seems to have any ideas for, but forget that for now.) Its rabble rousers are jews and women. That is their function, it’s what they do. They are the meta question.

    What does the Sony hacking story reveal? that the internet has security issues? that is not news and anything to be done about that is technical. There might be other points on that story; i for one have enjoyed their compromised position; but go ahead and make your case as to what it means.

    UVa and Ferguson show where we are at. They expose the non-sense of it. We are focusing on problems that don’t exist (Jackie getting raped and Brown being persecuted) because … well why are those “problems” the focus?

  67. Really, in the long run, this is small potatoes, while the Sony hacking is big potatoes. For some reason, Steve Sailer doesn’t care about that….is it because the perfidy of women and Jews gets his commenter crowd all riled up, and hacking doesn’t?

    Is the Sony hacking somehow not being covered because the media would rather it not be? Because that’s what we have with the Rolling Stone Gang Rape Hoax.

  68. Ugh. Any sympathy I might have had for that female has evaporated.

    I don’t pity kudzu. I pity whatever foliage it chokes as it proceeds on its inexorable path of destruction.

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  69. Yeah, that’s what I figured. Sororities get a bad rap, but I think a girl like Jackie could have used the social structure and support they’d offer to rein in the crazy. Maybe Ryan should pledge Phi Psi

  70. The fact this email got sent after the alleged assault is just astonishing. Ryan must have been flabbergasted at this point, although he isn’t being too straightforward either.

    Assuming Ryan knew it was all a hoax and believes it still, why did he defend Jackie in the recent interview with CNN? (“If she was making it up she should win an academy award” “I think something traumatic happened to her that night.” Etc.) Perhaps he knows she is completely unhinged and didn’t want to pile on her fragile psyche.

    Assuming Ryan didn’t know it was a hoax, then why didn’t he attempt to confront Haven Monahan? Here is a guy who allegedly forced your friend to a sexual act with him and four of his friends, and he sends this email and you do nothing? No, he had to have known at this point that something was amiss.

    What we’ve been ignoring in all this, because we’ve already discovered the whole thing to be a fraud and aren’t trying to disprove the validity of the story anymore, is the ridiculousness of Haven sending Ryan such an email regardless of the alleged rape. Why would a guy, who’s been rejected by a girl he is smitten with, tell his romantic rival, the guy the girl he can’t get likes, her love for him (Ryan)? How deluded and desperate was Jackie at this point? 100 guys out of 100 in Haven’s situation would have nothing but feelings of jealousy for Ryan, the last thing they’d want to do is try and pimp out their crush to someone like him. The worst thing about Jackie wasn’t the hoax she perpetrated, rather it was how ridiculously transparent the hoax was.

  71. I really don’t know.

    I did have a thought about what might have happened the night of the alleged rape to make Jackie so crazy: Ryan might have texted Haven a final, definitive Heisman directed at Jackie. And then Ryan had to pretend not to know Haven was Jackie, so as not to humiliate Jackie…

  72. Apple’s I Cuisinart – pretty good; keep writing.

  73. It looks like Jackie may have lifted part of her letter to Ryan from the TV series “Dawson’s Creek.”

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/12/18/did-uva-student-plagiarize-dawsons-creek-in-love-letter-to-friend/

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  74. BecauseRyan,
    Zeno,
    Michaeloh,
    HEL,

    You are probably right.

    Steve,
    why did you want to know the header lines? I’d like to think it was to help out glpiggy.

  75. Is that an Honor Code violation at UVA? Plagiarizing while catfishing?

  76. I like Tina Fey, and Bacon (not necessarily in that order) but those other people….

  77. Sounds about right — Jackie’s confederate (likely a female friend not at UVA) didn’t know about the change in Jackie’s story, so she pasted together a couple of emails Jackie had written her forwarded them five days later from the Haven.Monahan#yahoo.com account.

  78. Emmet Till’s father was executed by the US military for the rape and murder of two Italian women in WW II.

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  79. I think the national fraternity needs to sue Rolling Stone, Erdley, the UVa, and Jackie for defamation and incitement.

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    This whole fiasco sounds like Damsels in Distress on steroids.

    Jackie should have taken dance lessons. Would have channeled her nuttiness in less dangerous ways.

  81. I’m confused. Is the idea that Jackie wrote this to the rapist whoforwarded it to the friend?

    No. There is no rapist (and by extension, no rape). She wrote it all herself under a pseudonym pretending to be someone actually interested Jackie. The “Haven” character didn’t exist (and by extension neither did any male interest in her).

  82. Ugh. Any sympathy I might have had for that female has evaporated.

    I don’t pity kudzu. I pity whatever foliage it chokes as it proceeds on its inexorable path of destruction.

    Indeed.

    But truly, the first line of the Rolling Stone story demands the willing suspension of disbelief. It states that she poured out her drink on the floor discretely(!) because she didn’t want the guy to know she didn’t want it. First, the insanity of pouring out a drink onto the floor. Second, thinking it could possibly be discrete. Third, wanting someone to like you that you think so little of or fear that you can’t even passively not drink a beverage he has given you. It is bogus from the first line.

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  83. The UVA story undoubtedly started as a hoax by Jackie. But no question in my mind that SRE and the media that picked it up believed it. That points to the delusional aspects of human nature, especially when one becomes a Social Justice Warrior. Was Don Quixote their patron saint? Hmmm.

    I have forgot how it was that Erdley found Jackie.

    Does anyone remember?

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  84. How does that tie into the murder of Emmitt Till? The only thing he was accused of doing was whistling at a white woman. And his murder was very deliberately carried out.

    Incidentally, Till’s father’s fate was immortalized in Ezra Pound’s “Pisan Cantos” part of which were written while in his “cage” in Pisa when imprisoned after WW2. Apparently Till, Sr. was in a nearby cage, and they talked frequently. “Till was hanged today for rape with all the trimmings” is the quote from the Cantos but there is significant dialect in the Cantos which make me think of Till, Sr.

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  85. I think Jackie got to know one of those two rape interventionists at UVA. I cannot remember their names. Pinkleton is one, I guess it was the Renda girl. Jackie got to know them in the Fall of 2013. By this time she had drifted away from the other three. IIRC, it was Renda who directed Sabrina to her.

    Did Renda, Pinkleton, SRE believe Jackie? Let’s put it this way: in that universe, you don’t question, it is considered rude and a second “violation.” So, yes, I think in the end they all believed it, just as most people believed the story when it was printed. I know that’s unbelievable, I’m sure like about 11 million other people I thought it was BS the moment they crashed through the glass table, but yes a lot of people do believe this kind of stuff.

  86. Therefore kidnap the son who never met him and beat him to death. You chaps never fail to disappoint.

  87. “But truly, the first line of the Rolling Stone story demands the willing suspension of disbelief…It is bogus from the first line.”

    True. But initially it did seem somewhat plausible that something of an unwelcome nature happened to her. Even if that was just some guy grabbing her chest or giving her a drunken kiss. But now, knowing all she organized, she’s repellent. Apparently she didn’t care who she defamed or just plain embarrassed as long as she got her man.

  88. Related: Guilt by Accusation: How Colleges Deal with Campus Sex

    The Post article also buried an item of extraordinary significance on the university front. It turns out that Erdely discovered Jackie and her story not from an “activist” group or from the reporter’s own research—but from a University of Virginia employee.

    Earlier this year, UVA hired Emily Renda as a “sexual violence awareness specialist.” Renda told the Post that she introduced Erdely to Jackie in July. She didn’t reveal how she herself had come into contact with Erdely, and Erdely thus far has not commented on the connection. It’s unclear if Renda will face any consequences for peddling an inaccurate, unverified story—but one that badly damaged her employer’s reputation—to a national magazine.

    - See more at: http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2014/12/07/Bias-Behind-Rolling-Stone-Rape-Travesty#sthash.5o6D4CFW.dpuf

  89. When I was in junior high, a girl read to the class a fictional story she had written about getting stuck in an elevator with a certain guy. It was all very teenage-girly, with a fair amount of making out in the elevator and whatnot.

    The thing is, despite the use of a pseudonym in the story, it was obvious to everyone in the classroom that the male character was supposed to be me. I sat there for five minutes pretending to be focused on some other schoolwork while this lurid and thinly veiled tale was recounted. Since I wasn’t romantically interested in the girl, it was all very awkward and embarrassing.

    Bottom line, I have a lot of sympathy for Ryan Duffin, who basically is having the same experience that I had, only amplified by orders of magnitude. I doubt he’s as clueless and gullible as he seems; he’s probably just very embarrassed that his refusal to return Jackie’s schoolgirl infatuation is the stuff of national news. Plus he probably doesn’t want to further discredit a girl who at this point has spectacularly humiliated herself already.

  90. That’s pretty much what I was thinking. However, the argument that she wrote the exceprts to an imaginary ‘you’ is perhaps the Occam’s razor way to think, especially since we are dealing with a fantacist.

  91. Emmet Till’s father was executed by the US military for the rape and murder of two Italian women in WW II.

    *Gravely movie trailer guy’s voice* Two generations falsely accused by racist whites, half a world apart */gravely movie trailer guy’s voice*

  92. Introduced by college officialdom. Not Dean Eramo. Some other apparatchik.

  93. The dawson’s creek plagiarism thing is really the icing on the cake. This is certainly one of the more enjoyable ratholes we’ve been down at Team Sailer.

  94. “Art Deco says:

    Therefore kidnap the son who never met him and beat him to death.”

    The fact that behavior is at least partly genetically influenced – at least it is on a website such as this, dedicated to the proposition that genetics might be kind of important. The left routinely peddles lies as part of their narratives. I think that Jim was just pointing out the less than immaculate conception of Emmet Till Jr., a sainted figure whose murder the New York Times and NPR still routinely feed on.

    “You chaps never fail to disappoint.”

    Neither do you – as we have come to expect nothing of any value from you.

  95. “There’s nothing more beautiful than the way ocean refuses to stop kissing the shoreline no matter how many times it’s sent away.”

    Yep, this is currently and unambiguously an official definition of ‘acquaintance rape’ so it’s sort of odd to see it employed by an avowed feminist ‘activist’…

  96. lol @ Haven– “btw dude, check out this bitchin’ essay she wrote about you”

  97. How does that tie into the murder of Emmitt Till? The only thing he was accused of doing was whistling at a white woman.

    No.

    That was the account given by the same media that lied about Crystal Mangum, Trayvon, and everything else. There’s no reason to believe that story.

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  98. I mean, there’s no reason to believe the official story about what Till did. Obviously, his dead body was found, and Bryant confessed to killing him.

  99. […] The same is true of feminism, an anti-democratic totalitarian movement that is no less fanatically committed to the destruction of Western civilization than was Hitler himself. No matter how fluently feminists may speak the language of democracy, their campaigns to silence opposition betray their totalitarian purposes, and it is not difficult to find evidence of their limitless appetite for conquest. Women are now 33% more likely than men to earn four-year college degrees, but has this de facto female supremacy in academia put an end to feminist demands? Of course not. Instead, we find feminists claiming (despite all evidence to the contrary) that women are experiencing a “rape epidemic” on college campuses, manufacturing phony statistics to support their anti-male propaganda, and perpetrating the Rolling Stone gang-rape hoax at the University of Virginia — feminism’s very own “Reichstag fire,” with the role of Marinus van der Lubbe played by “Haven Monahan.” […]

  100. […] No word on whether Coakley sent herself a congratulatory email from her phantom ex “Haven Monahan.” […]

  101. […] still doesn’t make Ryan fall in love with her, she switches back to having Haven send Ryan an email explaining why Ryan should fall in love with Jackie, cribbed from Dawson’s Creek and other […]

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