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  1. I dated a Chinese girl for a short while who seemed to hate white people
    She was very ethnocentric
    She was always decrying the disparity between white male/Asian female couples and the opposite
    I asked her why she never dated Chinese guys . She said that they are geeky
    She was well-educated, but kinda ugly, had a flat personality and horrible in bed

    I didn’t understand the dynamics going on but I bailed. And I came to realize that there is something substantially different between education and intelligence

    • LOL: trelane
    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    I dated a Japanese woman for a short while. Utterly deranged. We were on the subway one day and she got silent, then started to scowl. After we got off the train I asked her what was wrong.

    "Don't you know?" she demanded.

    No, I don't.

    That girl standing next to us was Korean, she said. (Background: a Korean woman had stolen her ex-boyfriend away). So any sight of a Korean turned her sunny day into a tsunami of bad juju.

    They're all effing nuts, and completely obsessed with race.
    , @Anonymous
    Mostly I had Japanese girls but a couple of Chinese back in my days of doing that sort of thing. The Japanese ones often liked to stay perfectly still and squeal a lot because that was what girls were supposed to do during sex, but sometimes they were quite active. The Chinese ones were just pretty lackluster lays.

    But the Japanese ones were Japanese Japanese and the Chinese ones were US born Chinese American, which may be the main difference.
  2. She has one “ex” who she says “cheated” on her, but lord only know why he did, maybe with good reason.

    “I’ve been insanely behind email and work but in my defense, I got horribly sick, I found out my boyfriend has been cheating on me for months, and then there was a terrorist attack [June 2, 2017 Portland train passengers stabbing] in my neighborhood lololololol” (June 3)

    “June is my birthday month and my Worst Ex Ever is now out of my life” (June 3)

    https://mastodon.social/@sarahjeong

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    That break-up is 2-3 years after most of the tweets. But likely others before that. She has also tweeted that she is into straight cis white boys.

    And further down your Mastadon link she posts some links to Fifty Shades movie shots. She’s got ivory fever.
  3. Apparently the Alt-Right has come up with a name for Asian girls that like White guys: Snowblowers.

    • Replies: @Ray Huffman
    I call them (and all non-white women like them) "wood-burners." Kind of a play on the term "coalburner."
  4. If Jeong survives this controversy, we’ll only get a watered-down version of her tripe on the Times’ esteemed pages. She’ll just be another boring SJW with nothing of value to say. At least her previous tweets were often humorous and even catchy. Her past criticism of several New York Times Jewish columnists would get a lot of thumbs up from commentators on this board.

  5. That’s not just a white dude, that’s a white-white dude. Haven Monahan, even.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    He's still picking the glass out of his knees.
    , @Karl
    5. another underground man > that’s a white-white dude. Haven Monahan, even



    track the guy down and interview him. The NY Post would buy the story. They pay cash, amigo

    we know he's a vet of Iraq. How many white Iraq vets are there in NYC?

    The USA's Yellow Pages are ===full=== of P.I. agencies who would love an assignment that's less boring than photographing-in-action, the next disability-pension faker.


    They USED to be able to bread-&-butter off of photographing adulteries, but that business dried up when the USA went Full no-fault-divorce
  6. There’s a montage image I can’t post here of East Asian girls on Twitter declaring their love of mathematically challenged dog-scented hairy barbarians, and describing remarkably similar incidents of their mothers advising them to date white. Often they go on to give the reason that modern young East Asian men can be controlling or creepy.
    >was there some sort of more personal betrayal that spur[r]ed her
    YOU’RE GONNA CARRY THAT MATTRESS

  7. Were there whites involved, though?

    I’ve only heard about Andrew Aurenheimer, the Jewish fake ‘Nazi’.

  8. I really do think that this whole ugly incident—and many others like it—could have been averted if young people would focus more on their relationships and less on their educations or on signalling their worthiness to join the globalist POZ brigade. A stable marriage/family is the most important thing you can ever gain in this life, but young people never hear that anymore let alone receive training in the virtues of how to produce one.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    I really do think that this whole ugly incident—and many others like it—could have been averted if young people would focus more on their relationships and less on their educations or on signalling their worthiness to join the globalist POZ brigade. A stable marriage/family is the most important thing you can ever gain in this life, but young people never hear that anymore let alone receive training in the virtues of how to produce one.
     
    Agree with you. Though i'd say the issue is not really "focus on their relationships" per se, because young people obsess on their "relationships" all the time.

    Rather the main issue is young women prioritizing making themselves ready for marriage. If they do that, young men--who actually do need to focus on acquiring family supporting skills--will quickly follow.

    This woman's life is another example of a one of the weirder phenomena of our age.

    Feminism is essentially unique in being an ideology that makes no one happy.
    , @Bard of Bumperstickers
    They not only don't hear about stable families anymore . . . they don't experience them, either.
  9. Maybe she likes cucky white guys who like asian girls who play ideominatrix.

    • Replies: @JimB

    Maybe she likes cucky white guys who like asian girls who play ideominatrix.
     
    Nah, I can see ennui in her white boyfriend's face. He's put off by her droopy left eye and knows what her breath smells like in the morning. Game over.
  10. Ms. Jeong makes me laugh more than anything because she reminds me of several Korean-Canadians I went to school with. They can be a loud and vulgar lot. Ask any Japanese or Chinese person if you don’t believe me. Unfortunately, given license to let loose their vulgar impulses in our suddenly free-for-all culture makes for a toxic combination.

    Although intelligent and hardworking, Koreans tend to lack the refinement and subtlety to make their insults pass as mere jest. They’re too blunt and obvious for their own good. As we all know, Asian-American women in general make for foul comedians. I remember in school these women loudly screaming “whitey sucks” in their Valley girl accents while attempting to impress some SJW teacher during a social science presentation. Then two minutes later, these same Asian ladies would rejoin their white girlfriends for a gossip session or flirt with some white Chad in the hallway.
    Sarah Jeong is no dummy.

    I’d estimate her IQ to be in the 115 range. She certainly knows how to check the right boxes, attend the right schools, make the right friends, etc. But I can imagine Jeong is genuinely taken aback by this current controversy: “I was just being jocular and witty. Why are they all taking me so seriously?”

    Of course, part of the reason for the rampant ugliness that now pervades the West is that we’ve lost the will to take control of our guests. I lived in an Asia for a while, and never once did an Asian person come close to addressing me in the way Jeong addresses white people. However, I notice that even Asian FOB women start catching the SJW disease after just a couple of years of exposure. I was dating a Chinese girl who had just immigrated to Canada a few years before. In stilted English, she blamed all the problems on her life on “white racism” and called all white authority figures in her life “racist”.

    Let the Times whither and die. I used to buy it all the time. Now I never do.

    • Replies: @22pp22
    Yes, Koreans, in their own language, are spectacularly foul-mouthed, Japanese very much less so.
    , @Clifford Brown

    I’d estimate her IQ to be in the 115 range.
     
    She went to Harvard Law School without a legacy or affirmative action. Her IQ is at least 135, but likely higher. Harvard Law types are pretty sharp.
    , @Cagey Beast

    I remember in school these women loudly screaming “whitey sucks” in their Valley girl accents while attempting to impress some SJW teacher during a social science presentation. Then two minutes later, these same Asian ladies would rejoin their white girlfriends for a gossip session or flirt with some white Chad in the hallway.
    Sarah Jeong is no dummy.
     
    Asian girls are both Asian and girls at the same time. This makes them double strength conformists. When a behaviour is socially rewarded by high status people, they react strongly. It kind of makes them the conformist in the coal mine.
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    I can attest that you’re right about Koreans having the subtlety of a jackhammer. As a corollary to that, they have a well-known tendency to go completely overboard wuth whatever imported cause they choose to embrace. For example, North Korean communists have long been the most fanatical communists in the world. And many Korean Christians would put the most hardcore White Evangelicals to shame. In Ms. Jeong’s case, her adopted cause is hating Whitey, and she’ll be damned if anyone is going to hate Whitey more than she does.
    , @gp
    "I was just being jocular and witty." Fails because her tweets are neither funny nor clever. They are simply dime-a-dozen value-signaling grunts for tribal identification, spewed with fiery hatred. Banal, stupid, jejeune, thoughtless, whatever. They are the precise _opposite_ of what you would expect to read from a candidate for the job of news editor. This is how we know that her hire is primarily meant by NYT to be a blatant, unmistakable F.U. to traditional Americans.

    Unlike many of her critics, this pale male finds her (only!) physically attractive. I am oppressing her with my leering drooling old white man stare, and objectivizing her to a mere masturbatory aid.
  11. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:

    Homely women take romantic rejection much more personally than do better-looking women. They know their chances of getting another man are not that good. In what’s-her-face’s case, if she is into white men, her chances are worse because she has to attract from the limited pool of white men who would consider a relationship (not merely a dalliance) with an oriental — and then one who would be okay with a woman whose photo is used in the dictionary to define the word ぶさいく.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    She looks alright when her hair is long and a believable color, but that hot pink pixie cut is deliberately unattractive.
  12. She once dated the illusive Haven Monahan in college.

    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    "Illusive" - I like that.

    Kind of a combination of elusive and illusionary, with subtle hints of elucidate and illustrative echoing through the mind's ear . . .
  13. Is it possible the Sarah Jeong’s anti-white tweets are the result of feelings of guilt about being what some people call a “banana”. Despite being raised by Korean immigrant parents she strikes me as highly assimilated.

    My suspicion is that she is very “culturally white”, is somewhat alienated from her ancestral culture and she feels guilty about this. On the one hand her social, romantic and professional life is heavily white. She is drawn to white American culture, but she has also internalized the SJW anti-white attitude. This leads to certain cognitive dissonance hence the anti-white twitter storms.

    The situation is analogous to the closeted gay man who is ashamed of his homosexuality and then adopts an over the top homophobic public persona to compensate.

    Has she written about Korean culture, the Korean tech sector or Korean internet and gaming culture? I suspect these subjects are too foreign to her, as she is too assimilated too have any insight into these topics.

    Sarah Jeong’s high degree of assimilation is what makes her attractive to white progressive editors. They get a token non-white journalist who will mouth the party line. If she had been more culturally Korean with a more diverse Korean perspective she might be an evangelical christian with un-pc views on sex and gender roles, or she might offer a dissenting opinion on affirmative action. Can’t have that.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    Is it possible the Sarah Jeong’s anti-white tweets are the result of feelings of guilt about being what some people call a “banana”. Despite being raised by Korean immigrant parents she strikes me as highly assimilated.
     
    Good insight, eded.
    , @Pericles

    My suspicion is that she is very “culturally white”, is somewhat alienated from her ancestral culture and she feels guilty about this. ... This leads to certain cognitive dissonance hence the anti-white twitter storms.

     

    Wait ... wait ... what ethnic group does this remind me of?

    Hello fellow editorial board members!
  14. Only she knows whether her tweets were sincere, in which case she’s a loathsome racist, or whether they were simply a “persona” to ingratiate herself with the Establishment, in which case she’s a craven parasite.

    Either way, I’d say she better do her best to hang on at the NYT. If or once NYT drops her, she won’t have a career left in “journalism.”

    • Replies: @Anon
    NYT needs a mascot.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Twinkie, You are correct. After being dropped she will have a round of appearances on the MSM shows where she will be treated as the victim of white supremacy . Sort of like the woman who could not afford condoms, even though she was attending Georgetown Law...Sandra Flake ?
  15. the rumor on the interwebs is that she dated a couple white guys and was dumped…and then she made an anti-white turn…

    and when she made her anti-white turn and aimed for a job in the media, she photoshopped her twitter profile pic to make her look darker-complected than she really is…

  16. She tweeted about being attracted to white guys, but do we know for sure the guy in the photo is someone she dated? Looking at the background, I think it could just be a Harvard Law colleague.

  17. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    My guess is most of her associates are whites who don’t feel threatened by her. They may see her as a kind of funny cute pet, a Pokemon creature who makes nasty noises. It’s like a owner finds a barking chihuahua kinda adorable. When a big black guy hollers about ‘whitey’, that’s scary. When some funny-haired Asian girls snaps and barks like a chihuahua, it’s so cute.

    So, it’s more like a pet trick than anything. How amusing that the progs trained this yellow dog to bark ‘whitey bad, whitey bad, bow wow’. Like those cat compilation videos.

    As for dating, we see same thing among black men. They say they hate whitey, but all they ever do is go after white women.

  18. @Twinkie
    Only she knows whether her tweets were sincere, in which case she's a loathsome racist, or whether they were simply a "persona" to ingratiate herself with the Establishment, in which case she's a craven parasite.

    Either way, I'd say she better do her best to hang on at the NYT. If or once NYT drops her, she won't have a career left in "journalism."

    NYT needs a mascot.

  19. The twinkle in Ms. Jeong’s eye in this photo says it all.

    The twinkle indicates her belief that she had her white Prince Charming sewn up for the long haul.

    She had achieved the dream of landing a good-looking white guy that was smart, funny, on track for a great career, in shape, and knew how to swing his sword.

    The dream house with a white picket fence in Westchester and a couple healthy hapa children were only a few years away.

    He probably got sick of the constant leftist nattering/anti-Trump invective and took up with a blonde sorority girl.

    Unfortunately, this fellow knew how to swing his sword well enough to alpha widow young Ms. Jeong, and now America and its paper of record is left to deal with the fallout in the form of her purely id-driven emotional rage.

    I figure things played out similarly with Ms. Sulkowicz and her paramour at Columbia.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    He probably got sick of the constant leftist nattering/anti-Trump invective and took up with a blonde sorority girl.

    Nope. Leftist true believer. Check his twitter.

    Sowing the wild oats, TED talks for exposure, dropping the H Bomb, he has no need to settle down yet.
  20. Did she really date white guys, or is this just speculation based on a picture?

  21. @Twinkie
    Only she knows whether her tweets were sincere, in which case she's a loathsome racist, or whether they were simply a "persona" to ingratiate herself with the Establishment, in which case she's a craven parasite.

    Either way, I'd say she better do her best to hang on at the NYT. If or once NYT drops her, she won't have a career left in "journalism."

    Twinkie, You are correct. After being dropped she will have a round of appearances on the MSM shows where she will be treated as the victim of white supremacy . Sort of like the woman who could not afford condoms, even though she was attending Georgetown Law…Sandra Flake ?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    In her case, condoms, or even a costly tubal ligation, would be an example of a public investment.

    Oh, and she's a Fluke. That weird guy Arizona keeps sending to Congress-- no, that other weird guy-- is the Flake.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Her rant (on YouTube and worth watching, Btw) focused on the pill as used for ovarian cysts, endometriosis, fibroids, etc., rather than preventing micro-humans.

    It is, however, full of Special Pleading and Hearsay, both of which she, as a law student, knew perfectly well were inappropriate.
  22. Someone was not loved long time.

  23. And why is her hair done up like an elderly Somaliman’s beard?

    • LOL: Kylie
    • Replies: @Romanian
    She has made the Pilgrimage to SJW-Mecca?
  24. Her hatred of white people is 100% sincere. That’s why she lives in East St. Louis or Compton or Memphis or Baltimore or…

    What the hell? PORTLAND????

  25. @Buffalo Joe
    Twinkie, You are correct. After being dropped she will have a round of appearances on the MSM shows where she will be treated as the victim of white supremacy . Sort of like the woman who could not afford condoms, even though she was attending Georgetown Law...Sandra Flake ?

    In her case, condoms, or even a costly tubal ligation, would be an example of a public investment.

    Oh, and she’s a Fluke. That weird guy Arizona keeps sending to Congress– no, that other weird guy– is the Flake.

    • LOL: Twinkie
  26. Chateau Heartiste has made observations along similar lines:

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2018/08/02/weev-and-his-heartbroken-waifu/

    I also wonder how much of her butthurt resentment isn’t really directed at the superior sexual market value of white women.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri

    "the superior sexual market value of white women."
     
    If you check the league tables over at OkCupid, you'll find that recently Asian women have deposed white women from their throne as queen of the dating market.

    To be fair to the Asianettes, they probably didn't so much depose their white sisters as their white sisters deposed themselves. Obesity, piercings, tattoos and slut culture don't make for a good look.

    Watch out white girls! Latinas are set to eclipse you by 2020!

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Don't bet on that:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VhQhZyNKqhM
  27. Hating and Dating

    Dating, then hating. It’s paid off handsomely for Taylor Swift, and looks to do so for Sarah Jeong.

  28. The boyfriend is a cucked son-of-a-bitch.

  29. • Replies: @Big Bill
    Will some aryan white dude please marry her, shtup her and knock her up?

    She is Chinese. She's cute. She wants it bad, and she's only going to get more and more bitter until you do. New York City does that to cute college girls.

    Think of what happened to poor Jessica Valenti, Sarah's biggest fan: Jessica waited until her eggs dried up, she hit the wall, she married a beta boy, and she is even more bitter.

    Don't make Sarah wait and suffer the same tragic results.

    Start with the easy stuff and establish a solid frame. Tell her you won't be seen with her on the street until she washes the color junk out of her hair. She'll do it, trust me. And her parents will thank you.
  30. Not surprisingly, the ideas churning in the skull of the newest member of the New York Times Editorial Board tend to be an incoherent jumble of powerful but irrational emotions.

    Digging through the crisis of the West, i tend to focus on the ideology of Jewish minoritarianism, or cheap labor shilling, or the super-state and “left” parties grasping for voters, but “the woman problem”–and specificaly “the young woman problem” is definitely part of the picture. The modern West seems to pay a ridiculous amount of attention to the rantings of young women.

    Young people on average lack “wisdom” relative to their elders. But young men are at least worth paying attention to because they often come up with new insights and ideas. Nobel laureates often come up with their chief insight in their 20s or early 30s. In social/politcal affairs young men’s ideas “new ideas” are usually half-baked–social affairs tend to be more complicated and require more experience or “wisdom”–but at least sometimes worth listening to if in “the emperor has no clothes” vein.

    But why in the world would a society waste *any* cycles listening to young women? Their guideposts are conformity and irrationality. If a young woman is trying to “educate” me, i’m usually fairly polite in my questioning and rebuttal, but my general thought is “get back to me in 20 after you’ve raised three or four kids”.

    Young women have a very important–really the most important–societal role, getting pregnant, nursing and taking care of the next generation. But no society in human history has ever before paid attention to the opinions of its young women. I think we’re in the midst of an experiment to determine the half-life of society silly enough to do so.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    But no society in human history has ever before paid attention to the opinions of its young women. I think we’re in the midst of an experiment to determine the half-life of society silly enough to do so.
     
    You may be right, but I still think the problem is not that we listen to young women, but that we don't listen to anyone else. Men are always dismissed as (1) angry young men, or (2) cranky old men who "fear change." Older women aren't demonized like men, but then our opinions aren't particularly valued either.
    , @Cagey Beast
    But no society in human history has ever before paid attention to the opinions of its young women.

    I can think of three reasons:

    - We live in a consumer capitalist society. Young women are fantastic consumers.

    - Young women have a bossy maternal instinct that be misdirected by those who want political enforcers at the grass-roots level.

    - Men knock themselves out to please young women.
    , @MBlanc46
    Yet another AnotherDad comment that is exactly on the money.
  31. OMG, a girl took a picture next to a guy, that must mean they are ‘totally’ banging. I always though Sailer was above this but I guess even goes into the mud now. The guy is named Parker Higgins, they never dated and trust me when I say he does alot better in his choice of females. Nevermind that Sarah Jeong is LGBTQ. They both tried to launch a tech newsletter back in 2014. The photo in this article comes from the below twitter account.

    “In 2014, Jeong and Electronic Frontier Foundation activist Parker Higgins launched a periodic newsletter called “5 Useful Articles”, offering a wry take on intellectual property issues, current and historical.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Jeong

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    Not sure that I can agree with this take on the photo.

    The twinkle in Ms. Jeong's eye and the smile on her face are indicative of someone highly invested in the relationship with the other person in the photo.
    , @Almost Missouri
    "a wry take" = not expert or experienced enough to give meaningful advice
    , @Truth
    It is bordering, a bit, upon Lady's Sewing Circle material, Steve.
  32. Seems as though there ought to be another one of your laws describing this phenomenon, Steve – almost without exception, the most vocal White hating women of color (black, brown, wheatish, yellow, etc.) are married to (or were raised by) White people. I think what we have here is simple, old-fashioned envy. They’re not White and their people had no part in creating Europe or America, nor have they been able to fashion a peaceful, prosperous, modern nation. And having come here uninvited and largely unwanted (except for the left’s use as pawns or by the putative right’s venal businessmen) they find themselves surrounded by Beckys and Chads, all with good hair and lighter skin than they. Add in the ceaseless (((media))) drumbeat about White perfidy and the subset of Whites who abase themselves before anything alien, and their deep self loathing and inadequacy combines with white-hot envy and voila! Another fount of anti-White hatred spews forth.

    Personally, if I never had to interact with another non-White in my life, I’d be more than pleased. My youthful ignorance and delight in exploring the world and its people has been ground into the magic dirt, and now I just want to retire to a White redoubt until payback time arrives.

  33. There’s rumors she dated weev, Daily Stormer’s tech guy and alleged Jew. Either way, the question of overassimilation is being discussed more often in Asian communities. Asian women are especially eager to fit in with white liberals to the point they sound indistinguishable from the average filthy hipster.

    At one point it may have been respectable to assimilate into the host culture, but I actively discourage anyone from assimilating into urban campus SJW culture.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri

    "Daily Stormer’s tech guy and alleged Jew"
     
    Wow, those Jews really got their fingers in everything! Even the antisemitism industry!

    Y'know, ya really gotta admire that on a certain level....
  34. For many people, a huge source of frustration in their lives is their inadequate sexual value. Many people want to be considered sexually desirable and have partners who are also sexually desirable. When this fails to happen, they lash out in all sorts of ways. They become radicalized and easy to recruit by extremist movements.

    SJWs/feminists, “Incel” lone gunmen, and Islamic militant groups have different ideologies. However, there’s one underlying factor that fuels the rage of all three of these groups.

    The New York Times has some excellent analysis below.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/opinion/sex-shame-incels-jihadists-minassian.html

    As an instrument for delivering publicity, terrorism clearly works. Or at least it did last week, when the hitherto obscure term “incel” went viral after Alek Minassian drove a truck into a crowd of pedestrians in downtown Toronto. Mr. Minassian, just before carrying out his attack, wrote a post on Facebook in which he proclaimed the arrival of an “incel rebellion.” Standing for “involuntarily celibate,” the term is used as a badge of honor among a fringe online subculture of misogynists who say they hate women for depriving them of sex. So now we know.

    Were it not for that post, speculation about Mr. Minassian’s attack would have focused on its connection to the Islamic State. It certainly looked like an Islamic State attack: The terrorist group has been aggressively inciting its followers to kill Western civilians with motor vehicles, and since then there have been many such attacks. Mr. Minassian cannot have been oblivious to these horrific rampages and the tremendous publicity that they attracted. This was an Islamic State-inspired attack minus the Islamic State ideology.

    Mr. Minassian is obviously a deeply troubled individual. And mass murder is driven by a variety of psychological factors. But much of Mr. Minassian’s trouble seems to have been fueled or exacerbated by the frustration and shame that accompanied his lack of sexual contact with women. This would have made him feel unfulfilled and indignant, and also weak and unmanly. The sense of shame from not being able to perform a culturally approved sex role may be a key to understanding his murderous rage. It may also be another thread connecting him to other violent actors whose ideology is different from his own, yet whose actions are similar. It is not difficult to spot parallels with the world of jihadism, where women and sex are similarly fixated on to an extraordinary degree.

    Among those who identify with the “incel” movement, there is a pathological fixation on sex and women, and there is a self-pitying perception that everyone else, except the community of “incels,” is having sex. Women are craved, but they are also reviled for what the incels believe is their selective promiscuity: They seem to be having sex with everyone but them. This is internalized as a grave personal insult. The function of the “incel” movement is to transform that personal grievance into an ideology that casts women as despicable sexual objects.

    The core emotion that animates “incels” is sexual shame. It’s not just that these men are sexually frustrated; it’s that they are ashamed of their sexual failure. At the same time, they are resentful of the sexual success of others, which amplifies their own sense of inadequacy. This explains why they gravitate toward an online subculture that strives to rationalize their shame and redirect the blame for their failure onto women.

    Like incels, jihadists similarly crave sex, but the circumstances surrounding its consummation are closely regulated by their religious norms, which prohibit sex outside of marriage and same-sex couplings. Among jihadists, even masturbation is frowned upon, although Osama bin Laden famously issued a masturbation fatwa, permitting it in times of urgent need.

    This repressive attitude toward sex and sexuality has led some commentators to suggest a connection between sexual frustration and the murderous rage of jihadist suicide bombers. The evolutionary biologist and atheist Richard Dawkins, for example, suggested that far from being motivated by thoughts of injustice, the Sept. 11 hijackers were driven by thoughts of sex. Referring to the “martyr’s reward of 72 virgin brides,” he asserted that “testosterone-sodden young men too unattractive to get a woman in this world might be desperate enough to go for 72 private virgins in the next.” Developing this theme further, the late Christopher Hitchens wrote that the jihadists’ “problem is not so much that they desire virgins as that they are virgins.” Or as the sociologist Mark Juergensmeyer once put it: “Can’t get married, can’t have sex, so they blow things up.”

    It’s easy to dismiss these observations as reductive caricatures in their portrayal of Muslims as sexually repressed. And, of course, jihadist violence is about far more than just sexual frustration. But there is too much anecdotal evidence about the sexual torment of jihadists and their ideologues to reject the connection outright. For example, Sayyid Qutb, the grandfather of jihadist ideology, was disgusted by Americans’ sexual license during the 1950s, yet he was clearly viscerally excited by its spectacle. Mohammed Atta, the leader of the Sept. 11 hijackers, instructed in his will that his body be prepared for burial by “good Muslims” and that no woman was to go near it, presumably because he found them dirty and spiritually contaminating. This aversion to women didn’t stop him from visiting a strip club just before the attack, but it did prevent him from shaking women’s hands. One extremist reportedly told the terrorism scholar Jessica Stern that he was “vaginally defeated.”

    According to Professor Juergensmeyer, “Nothing is more intimate than sexuality, and no greater humiliation can be experienced than failure over what one perceives to be one’s sexual role.” Furthermore, he argues, such failures “can lead to public violence,” which is performed to cancel out feelings of shame and reassert the claim to manhood.

    The NYT mentions Islamic terrorists and “Incels” in their article, but SJWs/feminists are a less militant group who should be mentioned too.

    If everybody got plastic surgery to look beautiful and was given access to a harem of attractive partners, I guarantee you much of the world’s hostility/tension/violence would quickly evaporate.

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown

    If everybody got plastic surgery to look beautiful and was given access to a harem of attractive partners, I guarantee you much of the world’s hostility/tension/violence would quickly evaporate.
     
    And nothing would ever get done.
    , @Rosie

    If everybody got plastic surgery to look beautiful and was given access to a harem of attractive partners, I guarantee you much of the world’s hostility/tension/violence would quickly evaporate.
     
    I don't know about that. What happens when you get all the sex you want with partners you desire, but then realize you're still not satisfied? That you still have a yearning for something more?
    , @AnotherDad

    If everybody got plastic surgery to look beautiful and was given access to a harem of attractive partners ...
     
    "given access ..."--how exactly do you achieve that? (Well without robots.)

    Being attractive would indeed considerably reduce the anger quotient of feminist "journalists". Though i'd imagine guys would still do some "germ line" discrimination when i came to marrying and there would definitely still be the harpie problem--shut up already!

    But it doesn't really "fix the problem" for guys. Physical attractiveness is not #1 on female's mate selection criteria. If a guy's not outright ugly, it's essentially some form of precieved status. The guys who would get all the action would be mostly the ones who get it now--one's who are "alpha", successful, rich, witty, athletic, talented, funny, etc.--"charming". With "attractiveness" washed away, a few guys with "model looks" but boring would lose out, and have their place taken by currently ugly guys who really are witty and clever. But generally those other indicators would just come to the fore even more. The smart but reserved or tonque tied dude is still not getting any.
    , @Daniel Chieh

    If everybody got plastic surgery to look beautiful and was given access to a harem of attractive partners, I guarantee you much of the world’s hostility/tension/violence would quickly evaporate.

     

    Sexbots, the solution to everything!

    Or cocaine.

    Something like that.
    , @Almost Missouri
    Maybe, but I think in the Minassian case, the NYT was just following its usual program of steering blame for the terrorist attack off of Islam and onto something whiter.
    , @Neil Templeton
    The question is not whether sex, or lack thereof, is the fundamental motivator, it is how to get from here to there, or how to rejigger the sex-mate-family formation frames to get to something that works going forward. We're (likely) not going back to Father Knows Best without cultural obliteration. Accepting that may be a starting point.
    , @nebulafox
    This is the whole point of getting as close to monogamy as possible. Everybody ideally gets one partner that will likely be on their "level". In practice, it is an unachievable ideal, as all ideals are with human beings, but as long as a society tries to actively get as close to it as possible, things work more or less OK for the overwhelming majority of people, male and female. It's not a perfect system, but it is far better than the alternatives.

    I've noticed in the 21st Century that there is a distinct issue with people getting over themselves and admitting where they really lie on the sexual market. There's a lot of decidedly "hamburger" people going after "prime rib" mates and refusing to consider people more on their level, even as a temporary stop-gap measure while they work on improving themselves to attract higher quality mates. This tendency is especially pronounced-and extreme-with modern women due to a host of factors, thus leading to the inevitable (and understandable) frustration from 20-something men, but the men are by no means innocent themselves here. A quick trip through the incel subreddit would have been enough to prove that.

    Either you've got to adjust your expectations in a partner, or you've got to improve your social value. Either route is fine-up to the individual and what he or she values more, and how he or she defines a high-status mate. I personally think society has gotten *way* too obsessed with using courtship as a social prestige barometer when people could doing a lot more valuable things with their time. But refusing to do either is a sure route to unhappiness.

    , @Frau Katze
    Maybe the Muslim idea of covering up has some merit.

    Modest dress is also standard for some types of Jews and Christians.

    Maybe parental match-making isn’t such a bad idea?
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Women are craved, but they are also reviled for what the incels believe is their selective promiscuity: They seem to be having sex with everyone but them.

    This reminds me of the time a black guy explained to me the difference between a "ho" and a "bitch." A ho will have sex with anyone. A bitch will have sex with anyone but you.
  35. @syonredux
    https://i.redd.it/vjegjcj8bvd11.jpg

    Will some aryan white dude please marry her, shtup her and knock her up?

    She is Chinese. She’s cute. She wants it bad, and she’s only going to get more and more bitter until you do. New York City does that to cute college girls.

    Think of what happened to poor Jessica Valenti, Sarah’s biggest fan: Jessica waited until her eggs dried up, she hit the wall, she married a beta boy, and she is even more bitter.

    Don’t make Sarah wait and suffer the same tragic results.

    Start with the easy stuff and establish a solid frame. Tell her you won’t be seen with her on the street until she washes the color junk out of her hair. She’ll do it, trust me. And her parents will thank you.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    She’ll do it, trust me. And her parents will thank you.
     
    LOL. That part is sure as heck the truth.
    , @David
    There is a reason why the Japs made Koreans comfort women and not Chinese. Korean women are really good in bed. And not like the French, with their frenetic search for novelty, just good old all-you-can-eat, meat-and-potatoes sex.

    I only add this to encourage the would be shtupper.
  36. Yeah, Sarah hates white boys because they don’t notice her enough; thanks captain obvious.

    Honestly the strongest yearning I picked up from her tweets was to be shut up/put in her place by one of the white men she obviously fetishizes. Quoth William S.: “Peace! I will stop your mouth.”

    It would be a better look for white people if we could just laugh off this kind of prejudice. As another commenter put it here yesterday, we always win anyway. Someone ask her on a date.

    • Replies: @Truth
    I've been on this site a long time. What I have inferred is that if she is Asian, she has no shortage of guys noticing her.
  37. Women’s most heartfelt tweets… hmmm. Will robot partners and virtual reality be able to satisfy these dangerous, resentful female losers? Solutions people! The bitter women of the 21st soy century are a political and social menace that demand attention one way or another and that is no joke. Now that strong patriarchal solutions aren’t likely to reemerge anytime soon, what can be done. Just not enough handsome white alphas to go around, much less be shared with Asiatic female hordes.

  38. Anonymous[211] • Disclaimer says:

    BWC?

  39. “Not surprisingly, the ideas churning in the skull of the newest member of the New York Times Editorial Board tend to be an incoherent jumble of powerful but irrational emotions.”

    No, Steve, you and the rest of the guys still don’t fully grasp it. Her incoherent jumble of emotions isn’t “powerful but irrational”. It is powerful BECAUSE it is irrational. Remember, the fact that Jackie got so many factual details wrong doesn’t cause what’s-her- to doubt Jackie’s story, it strengthens her belief in it.

    This female and the rest of her ilk believe that their own feelings are the ultimate validation of whatever they feel is right. Facts, science and objective reality are just hateful tools used by white men to oppress them and invalidate their feelings.

    They really are just sexually active toddlers constantly on the verge of a tantrum.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri

    "her ilk believe that their own feelings are the ultimate validation of whatever they feel is right."
     
    Lol. One crazy former girlfriend's response to my rock-solid, logical and true explanation of why I was not guilty of whatever it was she was accusing me of: "then why do I FEEL this way?!?"
  40. South Korea is not sending their best.

  41. You sure you want to go there?

    https://www.unz.com/ldinh/postcard-from-the-end-of-america-ann-arbor/

    ‘… my first date was with a Jewish girl, and I even lost my virginity to a Jew…’

    And now he hates Jews.

    Wonder how many others here it’s the same.

    • Replies: @Lot
    ---
    ‘… my first date was with a Jewish girl, and I even lost my virginity to a Jew…’

    And now he hates Jews.

    Wonder how many others here it’s the same.
    ---

    I think one serious case of Jewish ethno-masochism is linked to an inability to find a nice Jewish wife.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    First makeout session with a Jewish boy. It was awesome.
  42. @anony-mouse
    You sure you want to go there?

    https://www.unz.com/ldinh/postcard-from-the-end-of-america-ann-arbor/

    '... my first date was with a Jewish girl, and I even lost my virginity to a Jew...'

    And now he hates Jews.

    Wonder how many others here it's the same.


    ‘… my first date was with a Jewish girl, and I even lost my virginity to a Jew…’

    And now he hates Jews.

    Wonder how many others here it’s the same.

    I think one serious case of Jewish ethno-masochism is linked to an inability to find a nice Jewish wife.

    • Replies: @Anon

    Jewish ethno-masochism is linked to an ability to find a typical Jewish wife.
     
    FTFY

    ;P
  43. jeong’s biggest defender is worried about christian supremacy https://mobile.twitter.com/hels/status/980878868537139206

  44. @Canadian Observer
    Ms. Jeong makes me laugh more than anything because she reminds me of several Korean-Canadians I went to school with. They can be a loud and vulgar lot. Ask any Japanese or Chinese person if you don’t believe me. Unfortunately, given license to let loose their vulgar impulses in our suddenly free-for-all culture makes for a toxic combination.

    Although intelligent and hardworking, Koreans tend to lack the refinement and subtlety to make their insults pass as mere jest. They’re too blunt and obvious for their own good. As we all know, Asian-American women in general make for foul comedians. I remember in school these women loudly screaming “whitey sucks” in their Valley girl accents while attempting to impress some SJW teacher during a social science presentation. Then two minutes later, these same Asian ladies would rejoin their white girlfriends for a gossip session or flirt with some white Chad in the hallway.
    Sarah Jeong is no dummy.

    I’d estimate her IQ to be in the 115 range. She certainly knows how to check the right boxes, attend the right schools, make the right friends, etc. But I can imagine Jeong is genuinely taken aback by this current controversy: “I was just being jocular and witty. Why are they all taking me so seriously?”

    Of course, part of the reason for the rampant ugliness that now pervades the West is that we’ve lost the will to take control of our guests. I lived in an Asia for a while, and never once did an Asian person come close to addressing me in the way Jeong addresses white people. However, I notice that even Asian FOB women start catching the SJW disease after just a couple of years of exposure. I was dating a Chinese girl who had just immigrated to Canada a few years before. In stilted English, she blamed all the problems on her life on “white racism” and called all white authority figures in her life “racist”.

    Let the Times whither and die. I used to buy it all the time. Now I never do.

    Yes, Koreans, in their own language, are spectacularly foul-mouthed, Japanese very much less so.

  45. Whatever her faults she is actually really cute.

    Notwithstanding the hair, she was right up my alley back in the day.

    The key is to make sure someone like this is never taken seriously. Then they are perfectly nice. Make her cook for you early (like 2d date).

    • Replies: @L Woods
    The thirst on this site never ceases to be hilarious. She is anything but “really cute.”
    , @Kylie
    "The key is to make sure someone like this is never taken seriously."

    Right. Bed them, don't wed them.
  46. @Canadian Observer
    Ms. Jeong makes me laugh more than anything because she reminds me of several Korean-Canadians I went to school with. They can be a loud and vulgar lot. Ask any Japanese or Chinese person if you don’t believe me. Unfortunately, given license to let loose their vulgar impulses in our suddenly free-for-all culture makes for a toxic combination.

    Although intelligent and hardworking, Koreans tend to lack the refinement and subtlety to make their insults pass as mere jest. They’re too blunt and obvious for their own good. As we all know, Asian-American women in general make for foul comedians. I remember in school these women loudly screaming “whitey sucks” in their Valley girl accents while attempting to impress some SJW teacher during a social science presentation. Then two minutes later, these same Asian ladies would rejoin their white girlfriends for a gossip session or flirt with some white Chad in the hallway.
    Sarah Jeong is no dummy.

    I’d estimate her IQ to be in the 115 range. She certainly knows how to check the right boxes, attend the right schools, make the right friends, etc. But I can imagine Jeong is genuinely taken aback by this current controversy: “I was just being jocular and witty. Why are they all taking me so seriously?”

    Of course, part of the reason for the rampant ugliness that now pervades the West is that we’ve lost the will to take control of our guests. I lived in an Asia for a while, and never once did an Asian person come close to addressing me in the way Jeong addresses white people. However, I notice that even Asian FOB women start catching the SJW disease after just a couple of years of exposure. I was dating a Chinese girl who had just immigrated to Canada a few years before. In stilted English, she blamed all the problems on her life on “white racism” and called all white authority figures in her life “racist”.

    Let the Times whither and die. I used to buy it all the time. Now I never do.

    I’d estimate her IQ to be in the 115 range.

    She went to Harvard Law School without a legacy or affirmative action. Her IQ is at least 135, but likely higher. Harvard Law types are pretty sharp.

    • Replies: @Harvolssen
    SJW is a form of AA
    , @PiltdownMan

    She went to Harvard Law School without a legacy or affirmative action. Her IQ is at least 135, but likely higher.
     
    I met quite a few Harvard Law types, over the years. "At least 135, but likely higher" is an overestimate.

    I'm sure her LSAT results were pretty good, but she almost certainly got a place at HLS for her "edgy" activities" in a "new platform for public speech" or some such. Being Korean+pink hair must not have hurt either. Diversity in a different guise. Harvard Law School probably patted itself on the back for being ahead of the pack itself when it extended her an offer.

    I speculate of course, but I'm familiar with how prestigious institutions fall for the lure of the new, in fields of activity they don't fully understand.
    , @Truth
    She's Asian, she attended Harvard LS with REVERSE affirmative action.

    150 IQ at least.
  47. @JohnnyWalker123
    For many people, a huge source of frustration in their lives is their inadequate sexual value. Many people want to be considered sexually desirable and have partners who are also sexually desirable. When this fails to happen, they lash out in all sorts of ways. They become radicalized and easy to recruit by extremist movements.

    SJWs/feminists, "Incel" lone gunmen, and Islamic militant groups have different ideologies. However, there's one underlying factor that fuels the rage of all three of these groups.

    The New York Times has some excellent analysis below.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/opinion/sex-shame-incels-jihadists-minassian.html

    As an instrument for delivering publicity, terrorism clearly works. Or at least it did last week, when the hitherto obscure term “incel” went viral after Alek Minassian drove a truck into a crowd of pedestrians in downtown Toronto. Mr. Minassian, just before carrying out his attack, wrote a post on Facebook in which he proclaimed the arrival of an “incel rebellion.” Standing for “involuntarily celibate,” the term is used as a badge of honor among a fringe online subculture of misogynists who say they hate women for depriving them of sex. So now we know.

    Were it not for that post, speculation about Mr. Minassian’s attack would have focused on its connection to the Islamic State. It certainly looked like an Islamic State attack: The terrorist group has been aggressively inciting its followers to kill Western civilians with motor vehicles, and since then there have been many such attacks. Mr. Minassian cannot have been oblivious to these horrific rampages and the tremendous publicity that they attracted. This was an Islamic State-inspired attack minus the Islamic State ideology.

    Mr. Minassian is obviously a deeply troubled individual. And mass murder is driven by a variety of psychological factors. But much of Mr. Minassian’s trouble seems to have been fueled or exacerbated by the frustration and shame that accompanied his lack of sexual contact with women. This would have made him feel unfulfilled and indignant, and also weak and unmanly. The sense of shame from not being able to perform a culturally approved sex role may be a key to understanding his murderous rage. It may also be another thread connecting him to other violent actors whose ideology is different from his own, yet whose actions are similar. It is not difficult to spot parallels with the world of jihadism, where women and sex are similarly fixated on to an extraordinary degree.

    Among those who identify with the “incel” movement, there is a pathological fixation on sex and women, and there is a self-pitying perception that everyone else, except the community of “incels,” is having sex. Women are craved, but they are also reviled for what the incels believe is their selective promiscuity: They seem to be having sex with everyone but them. This is internalized as a grave personal insult. The function of the “incel” movement is to transform that personal grievance into an ideology that casts women as despicable sexual objects.

    The core emotion that animates “incels” is sexual shame. It’s not just that these men are sexually frustrated; it’s that they are ashamed of their sexual failure. At the same time, they are resentful of the sexual success of others, which amplifies their own sense of inadequacy. This explains why they gravitate toward an online subculture that strives to rationalize their shame and redirect the blame for their failure onto women.

    Like incels, jihadists similarly crave sex, but the circumstances surrounding its consummation are closely regulated by their religious norms, which prohibit sex outside of marriage and same-sex couplings. Among jihadists, even masturbation is frowned upon, although Osama bin Laden famously issued a masturbation fatwa, permitting it in times of urgent need.

    This repressive attitude toward sex and sexuality has led some commentators to suggest a connection between sexual frustration and the murderous rage of jihadist suicide bombers. The evolutionary biologist and atheist Richard Dawkins, for example, suggested that far from being motivated by thoughts of injustice, the Sept. 11 hijackers were driven by thoughts of sex. Referring to the “martyr’s reward of 72 virgin brides,” he asserted that “testosterone-sodden young men too unattractive to get a woman in this world might be desperate enough to go for 72 private virgins in the next.” Developing this theme further, the late Christopher Hitchens wrote that the jihadists’ “problem is not so much that they desire virgins as that they are virgins.” Or as the sociologist Mark Juergensmeyer once put it: “Can’t get married, can’t have sex, so they blow things up.”

    It’s easy to dismiss these observations as reductive caricatures in their portrayal of Muslims as sexually repressed. And, of course, jihadist violence is about far more than just sexual frustration. But there is too much anecdotal evidence about the sexual torment of jihadists and their ideologues to reject the connection outright. For example, Sayyid Qutb, the grandfather of jihadist ideology, was disgusted by Americans’ sexual license during the 1950s, yet he was clearly viscerally excited by its spectacle. Mohammed Atta, the leader of the Sept. 11 hijackers, instructed in his will that his body be prepared for burial by “good Muslims” and that no woman was to go near it, presumably because he found them dirty and spiritually contaminating. This aversion to women didn’t stop him from visiting a strip club just before the attack, but it did prevent him from shaking women’s hands. One extremist reportedly told the terrorism scholar Jessica Stern that he was “vaginally defeated.”

    According to Professor Juergensmeyer, “Nothing is more intimate than sexuality, and no greater humiliation can be experienced than failure over what one perceives to be one’s sexual role.” Furthermore, he argues, such failures “can lead to public violence,” which is performed to cancel out feelings of shame and reassert the claim to manhood.
     
    The NYT mentions Islamic terrorists and "Incels" in their article, but SJWs/feminists are a less militant group who should be mentioned too.

    If everybody got plastic surgery to look beautiful and was given access to a harem of attractive partners, I guarantee you much of the world's hostility/tension/violence would quickly evaporate.

    If everybody got plastic surgery to look beautiful and was given access to a harem of attractive partners, I guarantee you much of the world’s hostility/tension/violence would quickly evaporate.

    And nothing would ever get done.

    • Replies: @Karl
    47 Clifford Brown > And nothing would ever get done


    might be a blessing in disguise
    , @MBlanc46
    Quite a lot would get done. But it would be a lot of the same thing.
  48. @Canadian Observer
    Ms. Jeong makes me laugh more than anything because she reminds me of several Korean-Canadians I went to school with. They can be a loud and vulgar lot. Ask any Japanese or Chinese person if you don’t believe me. Unfortunately, given license to let loose their vulgar impulses in our suddenly free-for-all culture makes for a toxic combination.

    Although intelligent and hardworking, Koreans tend to lack the refinement and subtlety to make their insults pass as mere jest. They’re too blunt and obvious for their own good. As we all know, Asian-American women in general make for foul comedians. I remember in school these women loudly screaming “whitey sucks” in their Valley girl accents while attempting to impress some SJW teacher during a social science presentation. Then two minutes later, these same Asian ladies would rejoin their white girlfriends for a gossip session or flirt with some white Chad in the hallway.
    Sarah Jeong is no dummy.

    I’d estimate her IQ to be in the 115 range. She certainly knows how to check the right boxes, attend the right schools, make the right friends, etc. But I can imagine Jeong is genuinely taken aback by this current controversy: “I was just being jocular and witty. Why are they all taking me so seriously?”

    Of course, part of the reason for the rampant ugliness that now pervades the West is that we’ve lost the will to take control of our guests. I lived in an Asia for a while, and never once did an Asian person come close to addressing me in the way Jeong addresses white people. However, I notice that even Asian FOB women start catching the SJW disease after just a couple of years of exposure. I was dating a Chinese girl who had just immigrated to Canada a few years before. In stilted English, she blamed all the problems on her life on “white racism” and called all white authority figures in her life “racist”.

    Let the Times whither and die. I used to buy it all the time. Now I never do.

    I remember in school these women loudly screaming “whitey sucks” in their Valley girl accents while attempting to impress some SJW teacher during a social science presentation. Then two minutes later, these same Asian ladies would rejoin their white girlfriends for a gossip session or flirt with some white Chad in the hallway.
    Sarah Jeong is no dummy.

    Asian girls are both Asian and girls at the same time. This makes them double strength conformists. When a behaviour is socially rewarded by high status people, they react strongly. It kind of makes them the conformist in the coal mine.

    • Agree: Rosie
    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Yup Asians are extremely collectivist like they're in a beehive. Whites could easily keep them under control in our society but we're weak so they're confirming to the SJW culture more strongly that sjws.
  49. @Hodag
    Whatever her faults she is actually really cute.

    Notwithstanding the hair, she was right up my alley back in the day.

    The key is to make sure someone like this is never taken seriously. Then they are perfectly nice. Make her cook for you early (like 2d date).

    The thirst on this site never ceases to be hilarious. She is anything but “really cute.”

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Stop kink-shaming him! If that's what he's into then you need to celebrate it.
    , @The Wild Geese Howard

    The thirst on this site never ceases to be hilarious. She is anything but “really cute.”
     
    Not true.

    Half the reason Ms. Jeong has warranted so many posts is that she is highly provocative.

    The other half is that she is still quite smashable, regardless of her personal politics and worldview.
  50. Her IQ is at least 135, but likely higher

    He twitter posts read like a lunatic on prozac and box wine.

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown

    He twitter posts read like a lunatic on prozac and box wine.
     
    Those same Twitter posts also got Ms. Jeong on to New York Times Editorial Board, likely the most prestigious position in journalism on the planet. If our elites preferred patriotism, Jeong would be singing Yankee-Doodle-Dandy and wearing a MAGA hat. Instead, she adeptly wrote in a manner to ingratiate herself with power.

    I question her soul, not her brain.

  51. @Hodag
    Whatever her faults she is actually really cute.

    Notwithstanding the hair, she was right up my alley back in the day.

    The key is to make sure someone like this is never taken seriously. Then they are perfectly nice. Make her cook for you early (like 2d date).

    “The key is to make sure someone like this is never taken seriously.”

    Right. Bed them, don’t wed them.

  52. @AnotherDad

    Not surprisingly, the ideas churning in the skull of the newest member of the New York Times Editorial Board tend to be an incoherent jumble of powerful but irrational emotions.
     
    Digging through the crisis of the West, i tend to focus on the ideology of Jewish minoritarianism, or cheap labor shilling, or the super-state and "left" parties grasping for voters, but "the woman problem"--and specificaly "the young woman problem" is definitely part of the picture. The modern West seems to pay a ridiculous amount of attention to the rantings of young women.

    Young people on average lack "wisdom" relative to their elders. But young men are at least worth paying attention to because they often come up with new insights and ideas. Nobel laureates often come up with their chief insight in their 20s or early 30s. In social/politcal affairs young men's ideas "new ideas" are usually half-baked--social affairs tend to be more complicated and require more experience or "wisdom"--but at least sometimes worth listening to if in "the emperor has no clothes" vein.

    But why in the world would a society waste *any* cycles listening to young women? Their guideposts are conformity and irrationality. If a young woman is trying to "educate" me, i'm usually fairly polite in my questioning and rebuttal, but my general thought is "get back to me in 20 after you've raised three or four kids".

    Young women have a very important--really the most important--societal role, getting pregnant, nursing and taking care of the next generation. But no society in human history has ever before paid attention to the opinions of its young women. I think we're in the midst of an experiment to determine the half-life of society silly enough to do so.

    But no society in human history has ever before paid attention to the opinions of its young women. I think we’re in the midst of an experiment to determine the half-life of society silly enough to do so.

    You may be right, but I still think the problem is not that we listen to young women, but that we don’t listen to anyone else. Men are always dismissed as (1) angry young men, or (2) cranky old men who “fear change.” Older women aren’t demonized like men, but then our opinions aren’t particularly valued either.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
    • Replies: @Jack strocchi
    Older women used to be be the font of wisdom on personal relationships. Older men having the last word on political matters. Politics is an old mans game.

    Of course most people have little or no interest or involvment in politics. Whilst everyone has personal problems.

    So older womens wisdom - nastily derided as old wives tales - has played a far more important role in regulating peoples lives. Critical in passing on spiritual values, religious observance and generally keeping the dynasty going. Particulaly since old women tended to outlive their husbands.

    Paul Newman put his finger on it when he said:


    In our family I make all the big decisions like what the official Newman Family stance is on nuclear disarmament, while my wife makes all the little decisions, like where we’ll live and where’ll we send our kids to school.
     


    Unfortunately younger professionsl educated women often delay or forgo having children, thus losing the experience of getting wisdom. Feminist ideology is not a satisfactory substitute for life experience.

    My Irish grandmother - Emma Janette McIntyre - was by far the wisest and wittiest person i ever came across. God bless her soul.
    , @MBlanc46
    I think that you’re on to something there, Rosie.
  53. @JohnnyWalker123
    For many people, a huge source of frustration in their lives is their inadequate sexual value. Many people want to be considered sexually desirable and have partners who are also sexually desirable. When this fails to happen, they lash out in all sorts of ways. They become radicalized and easy to recruit by extremist movements.

    SJWs/feminists, "Incel" lone gunmen, and Islamic militant groups have different ideologies. However, there's one underlying factor that fuels the rage of all three of these groups.

    The New York Times has some excellent analysis below.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/opinion/sex-shame-incels-jihadists-minassian.html

    As an instrument for delivering publicity, terrorism clearly works. Or at least it did last week, when the hitherto obscure term “incel” went viral after Alek Minassian drove a truck into a crowd of pedestrians in downtown Toronto. Mr. Minassian, just before carrying out his attack, wrote a post on Facebook in which he proclaimed the arrival of an “incel rebellion.” Standing for “involuntarily celibate,” the term is used as a badge of honor among a fringe online subculture of misogynists who say they hate women for depriving them of sex. So now we know.

    Were it not for that post, speculation about Mr. Minassian’s attack would have focused on its connection to the Islamic State. It certainly looked like an Islamic State attack: The terrorist group has been aggressively inciting its followers to kill Western civilians with motor vehicles, and since then there have been many such attacks. Mr. Minassian cannot have been oblivious to these horrific rampages and the tremendous publicity that they attracted. This was an Islamic State-inspired attack minus the Islamic State ideology.

    Mr. Minassian is obviously a deeply troubled individual. And mass murder is driven by a variety of psychological factors. But much of Mr. Minassian’s trouble seems to have been fueled or exacerbated by the frustration and shame that accompanied his lack of sexual contact with women. This would have made him feel unfulfilled and indignant, and also weak and unmanly. The sense of shame from not being able to perform a culturally approved sex role may be a key to understanding his murderous rage. It may also be another thread connecting him to other violent actors whose ideology is different from his own, yet whose actions are similar. It is not difficult to spot parallels with the world of jihadism, where women and sex are similarly fixated on to an extraordinary degree.

    Among those who identify with the “incel” movement, there is a pathological fixation on sex and women, and there is a self-pitying perception that everyone else, except the community of “incels,” is having sex. Women are craved, but they are also reviled for what the incels believe is their selective promiscuity: They seem to be having sex with everyone but them. This is internalized as a grave personal insult. The function of the “incel” movement is to transform that personal grievance into an ideology that casts women as despicable sexual objects.

    The core emotion that animates “incels” is sexual shame. It’s not just that these men are sexually frustrated; it’s that they are ashamed of their sexual failure. At the same time, they are resentful of the sexual success of others, which amplifies their own sense of inadequacy. This explains why they gravitate toward an online subculture that strives to rationalize their shame and redirect the blame for their failure onto women.

    Like incels, jihadists similarly crave sex, but the circumstances surrounding its consummation are closely regulated by their religious norms, which prohibit sex outside of marriage and same-sex couplings. Among jihadists, even masturbation is frowned upon, although Osama bin Laden famously issued a masturbation fatwa, permitting it in times of urgent need.

    This repressive attitude toward sex and sexuality has led some commentators to suggest a connection between sexual frustration and the murderous rage of jihadist suicide bombers. The evolutionary biologist and atheist Richard Dawkins, for example, suggested that far from being motivated by thoughts of injustice, the Sept. 11 hijackers were driven by thoughts of sex. Referring to the “martyr’s reward of 72 virgin brides,” he asserted that “testosterone-sodden young men too unattractive to get a woman in this world might be desperate enough to go for 72 private virgins in the next.” Developing this theme further, the late Christopher Hitchens wrote that the jihadists’ “problem is not so much that they desire virgins as that they are virgins.” Or as the sociologist Mark Juergensmeyer once put it: “Can’t get married, can’t have sex, so they blow things up.”

    It’s easy to dismiss these observations as reductive caricatures in their portrayal of Muslims as sexually repressed. And, of course, jihadist violence is about far more than just sexual frustration. But there is too much anecdotal evidence about the sexual torment of jihadists and their ideologues to reject the connection outright. For example, Sayyid Qutb, the grandfather of jihadist ideology, was disgusted by Americans’ sexual license during the 1950s, yet he was clearly viscerally excited by its spectacle. Mohammed Atta, the leader of the Sept. 11 hijackers, instructed in his will that his body be prepared for burial by “good Muslims” and that no woman was to go near it, presumably because he found them dirty and spiritually contaminating. This aversion to women didn’t stop him from visiting a strip club just before the attack, but it did prevent him from shaking women’s hands. One extremist reportedly told the terrorism scholar Jessica Stern that he was “vaginally defeated.”

    According to Professor Juergensmeyer, “Nothing is more intimate than sexuality, and no greater humiliation can be experienced than failure over what one perceives to be one’s sexual role.” Furthermore, he argues, such failures “can lead to public violence,” which is performed to cancel out feelings of shame and reassert the claim to manhood.
     
    The NYT mentions Islamic terrorists and "Incels" in their article, but SJWs/feminists are a less militant group who should be mentioned too.

    If everybody got plastic surgery to look beautiful and was given access to a harem of attractive partners, I guarantee you much of the world's hostility/tension/violence would quickly evaporate.

    If everybody got plastic surgery to look beautiful and was given access to a harem of attractive partners, I guarantee you much of the world’s hostility/tension/violence would quickly evaporate.

    I don’t know about that. What happens when you get all the sex you want with partners you desire, but then realize you’re still not satisfied? That you still have a yearning for something more?

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Religion.
  54. @L Woods
    The thirst on this site never ceases to be hilarious. She is anything but “really cute.”

    Stop kink-shaming him! If that’s what he’s into then you need to celebrate it.

  55. @AnotherDad

    Not surprisingly, the ideas churning in the skull of the newest member of the New York Times Editorial Board tend to be an incoherent jumble of powerful but irrational emotions.
     
    Digging through the crisis of the West, i tend to focus on the ideology of Jewish minoritarianism, or cheap labor shilling, or the super-state and "left" parties grasping for voters, but "the woman problem"--and specificaly "the young woman problem" is definitely part of the picture. The modern West seems to pay a ridiculous amount of attention to the rantings of young women.

    Young people on average lack "wisdom" relative to their elders. But young men are at least worth paying attention to because they often come up with new insights and ideas. Nobel laureates often come up with their chief insight in their 20s or early 30s. In social/politcal affairs young men's ideas "new ideas" are usually half-baked--social affairs tend to be more complicated and require more experience or "wisdom"--but at least sometimes worth listening to if in "the emperor has no clothes" vein.

    But why in the world would a society waste *any* cycles listening to young women? Their guideposts are conformity and irrationality. If a young woman is trying to "educate" me, i'm usually fairly polite in my questioning and rebuttal, but my general thought is "get back to me in 20 after you've raised three or four kids".

    Young women have a very important--really the most important--societal role, getting pregnant, nursing and taking care of the next generation. But no society in human history has ever before paid attention to the opinions of its young women. I think we're in the midst of an experiment to determine the half-life of society silly enough to do so.

    But no society in human history has ever before paid attention to the opinions of its young women.

    I can think of three reasons:

    – We live in a consumer capitalist society. Young women are fantastic consumers.

    – Young women have a bossy maternal instinct that be misdirected by those who want political enforcers at the grass-roots level.

    – Men knock themselves out to please young women.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    Precisely why the institutional subjugation of women is an indispensable piece of social technology, solving as it does the collective action problem that precludes any sort of constraint on their corrosive behavior today.
  56. We won’t be silent about race. We won’t be silent about sexual orientation. We won’t be silent about immigrants rights. These are the very issues that define our identity as Americans.

    Let’s see, the things that matter are sexual orientation (non-cis het), race (POC), and being an immigrant…..

    • Replies: @fish

    Let’s see, the things that matter are sexual orientation (non-cis het), race (POC), and being an immigrant…..
     
    .....in Kamalas case, not having your prominent Adams Apple photographed.
    , @JimB
    To post 1965 immigrants and their offspring in America, I would like to quote former US President Barack Obama: "You didn't build that."
    , @The Anti-Gnostic

    We won’t be silent about race. We won’t be silent about sexual orientation. We won’t be silent about immigrants rights. These are the very issues that define our identity as Americans.
     
    It's impressive to me how the ideological and rhetorical machinery of the Proposition Nation can pivot from "life, liberty, and property" to racial minorities and their authentic, down-wif-it minoritiness, sexual deviancy, and net tax-eaters who bring nothing to the table.

    In other words, we go from defining the nation by the values of its majority founding stock to defining it by its most marginal members. It's like saying some random schizo homeless personifies New York City instead of, say, Donald Trump.

    Of course, who saw that life, liberty, and property would encompass abortion, sex changes, gay marriage, welfare, Title VII, Title IX, and untrammeled entry into the United States. In retrospect, we all should have. The Proposition Nation can do no differently.
    , @Buster Keaton's Stunt Double
    In a nutshell: if that's their identity, they're not Americans.
  57. @Anon

    Her IQ is at least 135, but likely higher
     
    He twitter posts read like a lunatic on prozac and box wine.

    He twitter posts read like a lunatic on prozac and box wine.

    Those same Twitter posts also got Ms. Jeong on to New York Times Editorial Board, likely the most prestigious position in journalism on the planet. If our elites preferred patriotism, Jeong would be singing Yankee-Doodle-Dandy and wearing a MAGA hat. Instead, she adeptly wrote in a manner to ingratiate herself with power.

    I question her soul, not her brain.

  58. @Big Bill
    Will some aryan white dude please marry her, shtup her and knock her up?

    She is Chinese. She's cute. She wants it bad, and she's only going to get more and more bitter until you do. New York City does that to cute college girls.

    Think of what happened to poor Jessica Valenti, Sarah's biggest fan: Jessica waited until her eggs dried up, she hit the wall, she married a beta boy, and she is even more bitter.

    Don't make Sarah wait and suffer the same tragic results.

    Start with the easy stuff and establish a solid frame. Tell her you won't be seen with her on the street until she washes the color junk out of her hair. She'll do it, trust me. And her parents will thank you.

    She’ll do it, trust me. And her parents will thank you.

    LOL. That part is sure as heck the truth.

  59. @babar
    I dated a Chinese girl for a short while who seemed to hate white people
    She was very ethnocentric
    She was always decrying the disparity between white male/Asian female couples and the opposite
    I asked her why she never dated Chinese guys . She said that they are geeky
    She was well-educated, but kinda ugly, had a flat personality and horrible in bed

    I didn't understand the dynamics going on but I bailed. And I came to realize that there is something substantially different between education and intelligence

    I dated a Japanese woman for a short while. Utterly deranged. We were on the subway one day and she got silent, then started to scowl. After we got off the train I asked her what was wrong.

    “Don’t you know?” she demanded.

    No, I don’t.

    That girl standing next to us was Korean, she said. (Background: a Korean woman had stolen her ex-boyfriend away). So any sight of a Korean turned her sunny day into a tsunami of bad juju.

    They’re all effing nuts, and completely obsessed with race.

  60. @syonredux

    We won’t be silent about race. We won’t be silent about sexual orientation. We won’t be silent about immigrants rights. These are the very issues that define our identity as Americans.
     
    https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1025826966786789376



    Let's see, the things that matter are sexual orientation (non-cis het), race (POC), and being an immigrant.....

    Let’s see, the things that matter are sexual orientation (non-cis het), race (POC), and being an immigrant…..

    …..in Kamalas case, not having your prominent Adams Apple photographed.

  61. @JohnnyWalker123
    For many people, a huge source of frustration in their lives is their inadequate sexual value. Many people want to be considered sexually desirable and have partners who are also sexually desirable. When this fails to happen, they lash out in all sorts of ways. They become radicalized and easy to recruit by extremist movements.

    SJWs/feminists, "Incel" lone gunmen, and Islamic militant groups have different ideologies. However, there's one underlying factor that fuels the rage of all three of these groups.

    The New York Times has some excellent analysis below.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/opinion/sex-shame-incels-jihadists-minassian.html

    As an instrument for delivering publicity, terrorism clearly works. Or at least it did last week, when the hitherto obscure term “incel” went viral after Alek Minassian drove a truck into a crowd of pedestrians in downtown Toronto. Mr. Minassian, just before carrying out his attack, wrote a post on Facebook in which he proclaimed the arrival of an “incel rebellion.” Standing for “involuntarily celibate,” the term is used as a badge of honor among a fringe online subculture of misogynists who say they hate women for depriving them of sex. So now we know.

    Were it not for that post, speculation about Mr. Minassian’s attack would have focused on its connection to the Islamic State. It certainly looked like an Islamic State attack: The terrorist group has been aggressively inciting its followers to kill Western civilians with motor vehicles, and since then there have been many such attacks. Mr. Minassian cannot have been oblivious to these horrific rampages and the tremendous publicity that they attracted. This was an Islamic State-inspired attack minus the Islamic State ideology.

    Mr. Minassian is obviously a deeply troubled individual. And mass murder is driven by a variety of psychological factors. But much of Mr. Minassian’s trouble seems to have been fueled or exacerbated by the frustration and shame that accompanied his lack of sexual contact with women. This would have made him feel unfulfilled and indignant, and also weak and unmanly. The sense of shame from not being able to perform a culturally approved sex role may be a key to understanding his murderous rage. It may also be another thread connecting him to other violent actors whose ideology is different from his own, yet whose actions are similar. It is not difficult to spot parallels with the world of jihadism, where women and sex are similarly fixated on to an extraordinary degree.

    Among those who identify with the “incel” movement, there is a pathological fixation on sex and women, and there is a self-pitying perception that everyone else, except the community of “incels,” is having sex. Women are craved, but they are also reviled for what the incels believe is their selective promiscuity: They seem to be having sex with everyone but them. This is internalized as a grave personal insult. The function of the “incel” movement is to transform that personal grievance into an ideology that casts women as despicable sexual objects.

    The core emotion that animates “incels” is sexual shame. It’s not just that these men are sexually frustrated; it’s that they are ashamed of their sexual failure. At the same time, they are resentful of the sexual success of others, which amplifies their own sense of inadequacy. This explains why they gravitate toward an online subculture that strives to rationalize their shame and redirect the blame for their failure onto women.

    Like incels, jihadists similarly crave sex, but the circumstances surrounding its consummation are closely regulated by their religious norms, which prohibit sex outside of marriage and same-sex couplings. Among jihadists, even masturbation is frowned upon, although Osama bin Laden famously issued a masturbation fatwa, permitting it in times of urgent need.

    This repressive attitude toward sex and sexuality has led some commentators to suggest a connection between sexual frustration and the murderous rage of jihadist suicide bombers. The evolutionary biologist and atheist Richard Dawkins, for example, suggested that far from being motivated by thoughts of injustice, the Sept. 11 hijackers were driven by thoughts of sex. Referring to the “martyr’s reward of 72 virgin brides,” he asserted that “testosterone-sodden young men too unattractive to get a woman in this world might be desperate enough to go for 72 private virgins in the next.” Developing this theme further, the late Christopher Hitchens wrote that the jihadists’ “problem is not so much that they desire virgins as that they are virgins.” Or as the sociologist Mark Juergensmeyer once put it: “Can’t get married, can’t have sex, so they blow things up.”

    It’s easy to dismiss these observations as reductive caricatures in their portrayal of Muslims as sexually repressed. And, of course, jihadist violence is about far more than just sexual frustration. But there is too much anecdotal evidence about the sexual torment of jihadists and their ideologues to reject the connection outright. For example, Sayyid Qutb, the grandfather of jihadist ideology, was disgusted by Americans’ sexual license during the 1950s, yet he was clearly viscerally excited by its spectacle. Mohammed Atta, the leader of the Sept. 11 hijackers, instructed in his will that his body be prepared for burial by “good Muslims” and that no woman was to go near it, presumably because he found them dirty and spiritually contaminating. This aversion to women didn’t stop him from visiting a strip club just before the attack, but it did prevent him from shaking women’s hands. One extremist reportedly told the terrorism scholar Jessica Stern that he was “vaginally defeated.”

    According to Professor Juergensmeyer, “Nothing is more intimate than sexuality, and no greater humiliation can be experienced than failure over what one perceives to be one’s sexual role.” Furthermore, he argues, such failures “can lead to public violence,” which is performed to cancel out feelings of shame and reassert the claim to manhood.
     
    The NYT mentions Islamic terrorists and "Incels" in their article, but SJWs/feminists are a less militant group who should be mentioned too.

    If everybody got plastic surgery to look beautiful and was given access to a harem of attractive partners, I guarantee you much of the world's hostility/tension/violence would quickly evaporate.

    If everybody got plastic surgery to look beautiful and was given access to a harem of attractive partners …

    “given access …”–how exactly do you achieve that? (Well without robots.)

    Being attractive would indeed considerably reduce the anger quotient of feminist “journalists”. Though i’d imagine guys would still do some “germ line” discrimination when i came to marrying and there would definitely still be the harpie problem–shut up already!

    But it doesn’t really “fix the problem” for guys. Physical attractiveness is not #1 on female’s mate selection criteria. If a guy’s not outright ugly, it’s essentially some form of precieved status. The guys who would get all the action would be mostly the ones who get it now–one’s who are “alpha”, successful, rich, witty, athletic, talented, funny, etc.–“charming”. With “attractiveness” washed away, a few guys with “model looks” but boring would lose out, and have their place taken by currently ugly guys who really are witty and clever. But generally those other indicators would just come to the fore even more. The smart but reserved or tonque tied dude is still not getting any.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    I'm smart, good looking, and witty, but also tongue tied and awkward. Yes, sadly these modern women just glance right over me and pay me no attention. Introverts are not welcome in 2018 ... I don't know what happened to the generations because I enjoy talking to older women, they are very smart and interesting people.

    It's why I encourage all young men to find a decent woman and get into a relationship with her. You'll find yourselves, and also not have to worry about all the BS of hookup culture. Not to mention you get 1000x more sex with a gf as opposed to hooking up...
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    And then the next generation will have more ugly genes and need still more surgery.

    Oh well, at least the cosmetic surgeons will profit.
  62. @Brooklyn
    OMG, a girl took a picture next to a guy, that must mean they are 'totally' banging. I always though Sailer was above this but I guess even goes into the mud now. The guy is named Parker Higgins, they never dated and trust me when I say he does alot better in his choice of females. Nevermind that Sarah Jeong is LGBTQ. They both tried to launch a tech newsletter back in 2014. The photo in this article comes from the below twitter account.
    https://twitter.com/5ua

    "In 2014, Jeong and Electronic Frontier Foundation activist Parker Higgins launched a periodic newsletter called "5 Useful Articles", offering a wry take on intellectual property issues, current and historical."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Jeong

    Not sure that I can agree with this take on the photo.

    The twinkle in Ms. Jeong’s eye and the smile on her face are indicative of someone highly invested in the relationship with the other person in the photo.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    Yeah, she's into him.

    For comparison, here are two photos of a woman enduring physical contact with someone for whom she has absolute contempt:
    https://whiskeysplace.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/zuckerberg_chan.jpg
    https://heartiste.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/cuckersperg.jpeg

    And here's the same woman enjoying the company of a man who makes her husband look like an elf:
    http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1326288.1366900735!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/spl524197-023.jpg
  63. @Rosie

    If everybody got plastic surgery to look beautiful and was given access to a harem of attractive partners, I guarantee you much of the world’s hostility/tension/violence would quickly evaporate.
     
    I don't know about that. What happens when you get all the sex you want with partners you desire, but then realize you're still not satisfied? That you still have a yearning for something more?

    Religion.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Religion.
     
    And wouldn't that be a source of conflict and tension?
  64. @eded
    Is it possible the Sarah Jeong's anti-white tweets are the result of feelings of guilt about being what some people call a "banana". Despite being raised by Korean immigrant parents she strikes me as highly assimilated.

    My suspicion is that she is very "culturally white", is somewhat alienated from her ancestral culture and she feels guilty about this. On the one hand her social, romantic and professional life is heavily white. She is drawn to white American culture, but she has also internalized the SJW anti-white attitude. This leads to certain cognitive dissonance hence the anti-white twitter storms.

    The situation is analogous to the closeted gay man who is ashamed of his homosexuality and then adopts an over the top homophobic public persona to compensate.

    Has she written about Korean culture, the Korean tech sector or Korean internet and gaming culture? I suspect these subjects are too foreign to her, as she is too assimilated too have any insight into these topics.

    Sarah Jeong's high degree of assimilation is what makes her attractive to white progressive editors. They get a token non-white journalist who will mouth the party line. If she had been more culturally Korean with a more diverse Korean perspective she might be an evangelical christian with un-pc views on sex and gender roles, or she might offer a dissenting opinion on affirmative action. Can't have that.

    Is it possible the Sarah Jeong’s anti-white tweets are the result of feelings of guilt about being what some people call a “banana”. Despite being raised by Korean immigrant parents she strikes me as highly assimilated.

    Good insight, eded.

  65. @L Woods
    The thirst on this site never ceases to be hilarious. She is anything but “really cute.”

    The thirst on this site never ceases to be hilarious. She is anything but “really cute.”

    Not true.

    Half the reason Ms. Jeong has warranted so many posts is that she is highly provocative.

    The other half is that she is still quite smashable, regardless of her personal politics and worldview.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    Yeah, after a shot or 10
  66. @Cagey Beast
    Apparently the Alt-Right has come up with a name for Asian girls that like White guys: Snowblowers.

    I call them (and all non-white women like them) “wood-burners.” Kind of a play on the term “coalburner.”

  67. @Intelligent Dasein
    I really do think that this whole ugly incident---and many others like it---could have been averted if young people would focus more on their relationships and less on their educations or on signalling their worthiness to join the globalist POZ brigade. A stable marriage/family is the most important thing you can ever gain in this life, but young people never hear that anymore let alone receive training in the virtues of how to produce one.

    I really do think that this whole ugly incident—and many others like it—could have been averted if young people would focus more on their relationships and less on their educations or on signalling their worthiness to join the globalist POZ brigade. A stable marriage/family is the most important thing you can ever gain in this life, but young people never hear that anymore let alone receive training in the virtues of how to produce one.

    Agree with you. Though i’d say the issue is not really “focus on their relationships” per se, because young people obsess on their “relationships” all the time.

    Rather the main issue is young women prioritizing making themselves ready for marriage. If they do that, young men–who actually do need to focus on acquiring family supporting skills–will quickly follow.

    This woman’s life is another example of a one of the weirder phenomena of our age.

    Feminism is essentially unique in being an ideology that makes no one happy.

  68. I hate her. Like Asian mom’s who take a stance, regardless of the “facts” and “stuff”, I hate her. I am also, not an American White, so go jump in a cold lake! You deserve nothing but failure and loss because you are so hateful, arrogant, vile, ignorant of global cultures, and, most importantly, beyond saving from your deep-seated hatred of white people. You, and the NYT staff hate White Christian people, the world over…we get it…but we are not gonna submit to you, you disgusting things…things are gonna get weird and it will be a loss,

  69. Hahhaaa! I remember you all piled on me with my comments of adulation about Asian girls….well, fougetaboudid!. I was so wrong:flog me with funny videos of crazy songs about my error about globalism and stuff – seriously – this is a challenge!

  70. @Anon
    Maybe she likes cucky white guys who like asian girls who play ideominatrix.

    Maybe she likes cucky white guys who like asian girls who play ideominatrix.

    Nah, I can see ennui in her white boyfriend’s face. He’s put off by her droopy left eye and knows what her breath smells like in the morning. Game over.

  71. @Canadian Observer
    Ms. Jeong makes me laugh more than anything because she reminds me of several Korean-Canadians I went to school with. They can be a loud and vulgar lot. Ask any Japanese or Chinese person if you don’t believe me. Unfortunately, given license to let loose their vulgar impulses in our suddenly free-for-all culture makes for a toxic combination.

    Although intelligent and hardworking, Koreans tend to lack the refinement and subtlety to make their insults pass as mere jest. They’re too blunt and obvious for their own good. As we all know, Asian-American women in general make for foul comedians. I remember in school these women loudly screaming “whitey sucks” in their Valley girl accents while attempting to impress some SJW teacher during a social science presentation. Then two minutes later, these same Asian ladies would rejoin their white girlfriends for a gossip session or flirt with some white Chad in the hallway.
    Sarah Jeong is no dummy.

    I’d estimate her IQ to be in the 115 range. She certainly knows how to check the right boxes, attend the right schools, make the right friends, etc. But I can imagine Jeong is genuinely taken aback by this current controversy: “I was just being jocular and witty. Why are they all taking me so seriously?”

    Of course, part of the reason for the rampant ugliness that now pervades the West is that we’ve lost the will to take control of our guests. I lived in an Asia for a while, and never once did an Asian person come close to addressing me in the way Jeong addresses white people. However, I notice that even Asian FOB women start catching the SJW disease after just a couple of years of exposure. I was dating a Chinese girl who had just immigrated to Canada a few years before. In stilted English, she blamed all the problems on her life on “white racism” and called all white authority figures in her life “racist”.

    Let the Times whither and die. I used to buy it all the time. Now I never do.

    I can attest that you’re right about Koreans having the subtlety of a jackhammer. As a corollary to that, they have a well-known tendency to go completely overboard wuth whatever imported cause they choose to embrace. For example, North Korean communists have long been the most fanatical communists in the world. And many Korean Christians would put the most hardcore White Evangelicals to shame. In Ms. Jeong’s case, her adopted cause is hating Whitey, and she’ll be damned if anyone is going to hate Whitey more than she does.

  72. @syonredux

    We won’t be silent about race. We won’t be silent about sexual orientation. We won’t be silent about immigrants rights. These are the very issues that define our identity as Americans.
     
    https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1025826966786789376



    Let's see, the things that matter are sexual orientation (non-cis het), race (POC), and being an immigrant.....

    To post 1965 immigrants and their offspring in America, I would like to quote former US President Barack Obama: “You didn’t build that.”

    • Agree: MBlanc46
  73. @JohnnyWalker123
    Religion.

    Religion.

    And wouldn’t that be a source of conflict and tension?

    • Replies: @Buster Keaton's Stunt Double
    That's half of the fun of it.
  74. @JohnnyWalker123
    For many people, a huge source of frustration in their lives is their inadequate sexual value. Many people want to be considered sexually desirable and have partners who are also sexually desirable. When this fails to happen, they lash out in all sorts of ways. They become radicalized and easy to recruit by extremist movements.

    SJWs/feminists, "Incel" lone gunmen, and Islamic militant groups have different ideologies. However, there's one underlying factor that fuels the rage of all three of these groups.

    The New York Times has some excellent analysis below.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/opinion/sex-shame-incels-jihadists-minassian.html

    As an instrument for delivering publicity, terrorism clearly works. Or at least it did last week, when the hitherto obscure term “incel” went viral after Alek Minassian drove a truck into a crowd of pedestrians in downtown Toronto. Mr. Minassian, just before carrying out his attack, wrote a post on Facebook in which he proclaimed the arrival of an “incel rebellion.” Standing for “involuntarily celibate,” the term is used as a badge of honor among a fringe online subculture of misogynists who say they hate women for depriving them of sex. So now we know.

    Were it not for that post, speculation about Mr. Minassian’s attack would have focused on its connection to the Islamic State. It certainly looked like an Islamic State attack: The terrorist group has been aggressively inciting its followers to kill Western civilians with motor vehicles, and since then there have been many such attacks. Mr. Minassian cannot have been oblivious to these horrific rampages and the tremendous publicity that they attracted. This was an Islamic State-inspired attack minus the Islamic State ideology.

    Mr. Minassian is obviously a deeply troubled individual. And mass murder is driven by a variety of psychological factors. But much of Mr. Minassian’s trouble seems to have been fueled or exacerbated by the frustration and shame that accompanied his lack of sexual contact with women. This would have made him feel unfulfilled and indignant, and also weak and unmanly. The sense of shame from not being able to perform a culturally approved sex role may be a key to understanding his murderous rage. It may also be another thread connecting him to other violent actors whose ideology is different from his own, yet whose actions are similar. It is not difficult to spot parallels with the world of jihadism, where women and sex are similarly fixated on to an extraordinary degree.

    Among those who identify with the “incel” movement, there is a pathological fixation on sex and women, and there is a self-pitying perception that everyone else, except the community of “incels,” is having sex. Women are craved, but they are also reviled for what the incels believe is their selective promiscuity: They seem to be having sex with everyone but them. This is internalized as a grave personal insult. The function of the “incel” movement is to transform that personal grievance into an ideology that casts women as despicable sexual objects.

    The core emotion that animates “incels” is sexual shame. It’s not just that these men are sexually frustrated; it’s that they are ashamed of their sexual failure. At the same time, they are resentful of the sexual success of others, which amplifies their own sense of inadequacy. This explains why they gravitate toward an online subculture that strives to rationalize their shame and redirect the blame for their failure onto women.

    Like incels, jihadists similarly crave sex, but the circumstances surrounding its consummation are closely regulated by their religious norms, which prohibit sex outside of marriage and same-sex couplings. Among jihadists, even masturbation is frowned upon, although Osama bin Laden famously issued a masturbation fatwa, permitting it in times of urgent need.

    This repressive attitude toward sex and sexuality has led some commentators to suggest a connection between sexual frustration and the murderous rage of jihadist suicide bombers. The evolutionary biologist and atheist Richard Dawkins, for example, suggested that far from being motivated by thoughts of injustice, the Sept. 11 hijackers were driven by thoughts of sex. Referring to the “martyr’s reward of 72 virgin brides,” he asserted that “testosterone-sodden young men too unattractive to get a woman in this world might be desperate enough to go for 72 private virgins in the next.” Developing this theme further, the late Christopher Hitchens wrote that the jihadists’ “problem is not so much that they desire virgins as that they are virgins.” Or as the sociologist Mark Juergensmeyer once put it: “Can’t get married, can’t have sex, so they blow things up.”

    It’s easy to dismiss these observations as reductive caricatures in their portrayal of Muslims as sexually repressed. And, of course, jihadist violence is about far more than just sexual frustration. But there is too much anecdotal evidence about the sexual torment of jihadists and their ideologues to reject the connection outright. For example, Sayyid Qutb, the grandfather of jihadist ideology, was disgusted by Americans’ sexual license during the 1950s, yet he was clearly viscerally excited by its spectacle. Mohammed Atta, the leader of the Sept. 11 hijackers, instructed in his will that his body be prepared for burial by “good Muslims” and that no woman was to go near it, presumably because he found them dirty and spiritually contaminating. This aversion to women didn’t stop him from visiting a strip club just before the attack, but it did prevent him from shaking women’s hands. One extremist reportedly told the terrorism scholar Jessica Stern that he was “vaginally defeated.”

    According to Professor Juergensmeyer, “Nothing is more intimate than sexuality, and no greater humiliation can be experienced than failure over what one perceives to be one’s sexual role.” Furthermore, he argues, such failures “can lead to public violence,” which is performed to cancel out feelings of shame and reassert the claim to manhood.
     
    The NYT mentions Islamic terrorists and "Incels" in their article, but SJWs/feminists are a less militant group who should be mentioned too.

    If everybody got plastic surgery to look beautiful and was given access to a harem of attractive partners, I guarantee you much of the world's hostility/tension/violence would quickly evaporate.

    If everybody got plastic surgery to look beautiful and was given access to a harem of attractive partners, I guarantee you much of the world’s hostility/tension/violence would quickly evaporate.

    Sexbots, the solution to everything!

    Or cocaine.

    Something like that.

  75. Missing caption from the photograph:

    The last time Sarah Jeong smiled.

  76. @JohnnyWalker123
    For many people, a huge source of frustration in their lives is their inadequate sexual value. Many people want to be considered sexually desirable and have partners who are also sexually desirable. When this fails to happen, they lash out in all sorts of ways. They become radicalized and easy to recruit by extremist movements.

    SJWs/feminists, "Incel" lone gunmen, and Islamic militant groups have different ideologies. However, there's one underlying factor that fuels the rage of all three of these groups.

    The New York Times has some excellent analysis below.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/opinion/sex-shame-incels-jihadists-minassian.html

    As an instrument for delivering publicity, terrorism clearly works. Or at least it did last week, when the hitherto obscure term “incel” went viral after Alek Minassian drove a truck into a crowd of pedestrians in downtown Toronto. Mr. Minassian, just before carrying out his attack, wrote a post on Facebook in which he proclaimed the arrival of an “incel rebellion.” Standing for “involuntarily celibate,” the term is used as a badge of honor among a fringe online subculture of misogynists who say they hate women for depriving them of sex. So now we know.

    Were it not for that post, speculation about Mr. Minassian’s attack would have focused on its connection to the Islamic State. It certainly looked like an Islamic State attack: The terrorist group has been aggressively inciting its followers to kill Western civilians with motor vehicles, and since then there have been many such attacks. Mr. Minassian cannot have been oblivious to these horrific rampages and the tremendous publicity that they attracted. This was an Islamic State-inspired attack minus the Islamic State ideology.

    Mr. Minassian is obviously a deeply troubled individual. And mass murder is driven by a variety of psychological factors. But much of Mr. Minassian’s trouble seems to have been fueled or exacerbated by the frustration and shame that accompanied his lack of sexual contact with women. This would have made him feel unfulfilled and indignant, and also weak and unmanly. The sense of shame from not being able to perform a culturally approved sex role may be a key to understanding his murderous rage. It may also be another thread connecting him to other violent actors whose ideology is different from his own, yet whose actions are similar. It is not difficult to spot parallels with the world of jihadism, where women and sex are similarly fixated on to an extraordinary degree.

    Among those who identify with the “incel” movement, there is a pathological fixation on sex and women, and there is a self-pitying perception that everyone else, except the community of “incels,” is having sex. Women are craved, but they are also reviled for what the incels believe is their selective promiscuity: They seem to be having sex with everyone but them. This is internalized as a grave personal insult. The function of the “incel” movement is to transform that personal grievance into an ideology that casts women as despicable sexual objects.

    The core emotion that animates “incels” is sexual shame. It’s not just that these men are sexually frustrated; it’s that they are ashamed of their sexual failure. At the same time, they are resentful of the sexual success of others, which amplifies their own sense of inadequacy. This explains why they gravitate toward an online subculture that strives to rationalize their shame and redirect the blame for their failure onto women.

    Like incels, jihadists similarly crave sex, but the circumstances surrounding its consummation are closely regulated by their religious norms, which prohibit sex outside of marriage and same-sex couplings. Among jihadists, even masturbation is frowned upon, although Osama bin Laden famously issued a masturbation fatwa, permitting it in times of urgent need.

    This repressive attitude toward sex and sexuality has led some commentators to suggest a connection between sexual frustration and the murderous rage of jihadist suicide bombers. The evolutionary biologist and atheist Richard Dawkins, for example, suggested that far from being motivated by thoughts of injustice, the Sept. 11 hijackers were driven by thoughts of sex. Referring to the “martyr’s reward of 72 virgin brides,” he asserted that “testosterone-sodden young men too unattractive to get a woman in this world might be desperate enough to go for 72 private virgins in the next.” Developing this theme further, the late Christopher Hitchens wrote that the jihadists’ “problem is not so much that they desire virgins as that they are virgins.” Or as the sociologist Mark Juergensmeyer once put it: “Can’t get married, can’t have sex, so they blow things up.”

    It’s easy to dismiss these observations as reductive caricatures in their portrayal of Muslims as sexually repressed. And, of course, jihadist violence is about far more than just sexual frustration. But there is too much anecdotal evidence about the sexual torment of jihadists and their ideologues to reject the connection outright. For example, Sayyid Qutb, the grandfather of jihadist ideology, was disgusted by Americans’ sexual license during the 1950s, yet he was clearly viscerally excited by its spectacle. Mohammed Atta, the leader of the Sept. 11 hijackers, instructed in his will that his body be prepared for burial by “good Muslims” and that no woman was to go near it, presumably because he found them dirty and spiritually contaminating. This aversion to women didn’t stop him from visiting a strip club just before the attack, but it did prevent him from shaking women’s hands. One extremist reportedly told the terrorism scholar Jessica Stern that he was “vaginally defeated.”

    According to Professor Juergensmeyer, “Nothing is more intimate than sexuality, and no greater humiliation can be experienced than failure over what one perceives to be one’s sexual role.” Furthermore, he argues, such failures “can lead to public violence,” which is performed to cancel out feelings of shame and reassert the claim to manhood.
     
    The NYT mentions Islamic terrorists and "Incels" in their article, but SJWs/feminists are a less militant group who should be mentioned too.

    If everybody got plastic surgery to look beautiful and was given access to a harem of attractive partners, I guarantee you much of the world's hostility/tension/violence would quickly evaporate.

    Maybe, but I think in the Minassian case, the NYT was just following its usual program of steering blame for the terrorist attack off of Islam and onto something whiter.

  77. @Clifford Brown

    I’d estimate her IQ to be in the 115 range.
     
    She went to Harvard Law School without a legacy or affirmative action. Her IQ is at least 135, but likely higher. Harvard Law types are pretty sharp.

    SJW is a form of AA

  78. @Kylie
    "Not surprisingly, the ideas churning in the skull of the newest member of the New York Times Editorial Board tend to be an incoherent jumble of powerful but irrational emotions."

    No, Steve, you and the rest of the guys still don't fully grasp it. Her incoherent jumble of emotions isn't "powerful but irrational". It is powerful BECAUSE it is irrational. Remember, the fact that Jackie got so many factual details wrong doesn't cause what's-her- to doubt Jackie's story, it strengthens her belief in it.

    This female and the rest of her ilk believe that their own feelings are the ultimate validation of whatever they feel is right. Facts, science and objective reality are just hateful tools used by white men to oppress them and invalidate their feelings.

    They really are just sexually active toddlers constantly on the verge of a tantrum.

    “her ilk believe that their own feelings are the ultimate validation of whatever they feel is right.”

    Lol. One crazy former girlfriend’s response to my rock-solid, logical and true explanation of why I was not guilty of whatever it was she was accusing me of: “then why do I FEEL this way?!?”

  79. @JohnnyWalker123
    For many people, a huge source of frustration in their lives is their inadequate sexual value. Many people want to be considered sexually desirable and have partners who are also sexually desirable. When this fails to happen, they lash out in all sorts of ways. They become radicalized and easy to recruit by extremist movements.

    SJWs/feminists, "Incel" lone gunmen, and Islamic militant groups have different ideologies. However, there's one underlying factor that fuels the rage of all three of these groups.

    The New York Times has some excellent analysis below.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/opinion/sex-shame-incels-jihadists-minassian.html

    As an instrument for delivering publicity, terrorism clearly works. Or at least it did last week, when the hitherto obscure term “incel” went viral after Alek Minassian drove a truck into a crowd of pedestrians in downtown Toronto. Mr. Minassian, just before carrying out his attack, wrote a post on Facebook in which he proclaimed the arrival of an “incel rebellion.” Standing for “involuntarily celibate,” the term is used as a badge of honor among a fringe online subculture of misogynists who say they hate women for depriving them of sex. So now we know.

    Were it not for that post, speculation about Mr. Minassian’s attack would have focused on its connection to the Islamic State. It certainly looked like an Islamic State attack: The terrorist group has been aggressively inciting its followers to kill Western civilians with motor vehicles, and since then there have been many such attacks. Mr. Minassian cannot have been oblivious to these horrific rampages and the tremendous publicity that they attracted. This was an Islamic State-inspired attack minus the Islamic State ideology.

    Mr. Minassian is obviously a deeply troubled individual. And mass murder is driven by a variety of psychological factors. But much of Mr. Minassian’s trouble seems to have been fueled or exacerbated by the frustration and shame that accompanied his lack of sexual contact with women. This would have made him feel unfulfilled and indignant, and also weak and unmanly. The sense of shame from not being able to perform a culturally approved sex role may be a key to understanding his murderous rage. It may also be another thread connecting him to other violent actors whose ideology is different from his own, yet whose actions are similar. It is not difficult to spot parallels with the world of jihadism, where women and sex are similarly fixated on to an extraordinary degree.

    Among those who identify with the “incel” movement, there is a pathological fixation on sex and women, and there is a self-pitying perception that everyone else, except the community of “incels,” is having sex. Women are craved, but they are also reviled for what the incels believe is their selective promiscuity: They seem to be having sex with everyone but them. This is internalized as a grave personal insult. The function of the “incel” movement is to transform that personal grievance into an ideology that casts women as despicable sexual objects.

    The core emotion that animates “incels” is sexual shame. It’s not just that these men are sexually frustrated; it’s that they are ashamed of their sexual failure. At the same time, they are resentful of the sexual success of others, which amplifies their own sense of inadequacy. This explains why they gravitate toward an online subculture that strives to rationalize their shame and redirect the blame for their failure onto women.

    Like incels, jihadists similarly crave sex, but the circumstances surrounding its consummation are closely regulated by their religious norms, which prohibit sex outside of marriage and same-sex couplings. Among jihadists, even masturbation is frowned upon, although Osama bin Laden famously issued a masturbation fatwa, permitting it in times of urgent need.

    This repressive attitude toward sex and sexuality has led some commentators to suggest a connection between sexual frustration and the murderous rage of jihadist suicide bombers. The evolutionary biologist and atheist Richard Dawkins, for example, suggested that far from being motivated by thoughts of injustice, the Sept. 11 hijackers were driven by thoughts of sex. Referring to the “martyr’s reward of 72 virgin brides,” he asserted that “testosterone-sodden young men too unattractive to get a woman in this world might be desperate enough to go for 72 private virgins in the next.” Developing this theme further, the late Christopher Hitchens wrote that the jihadists’ “problem is not so much that they desire virgins as that they are virgins.” Or as the sociologist Mark Juergensmeyer once put it: “Can’t get married, can’t have sex, so they blow things up.”

    It’s easy to dismiss these observations as reductive caricatures in their portrayal of Muslims as sexually repressed. And, of course, jihadist violence is about far more than just sexual frustration. But there is too much anecdotal evidence about the sexual torment of jihadists and their ideologues to reject the connection outright. For example, Sayyid Qutb, the grandfather of jihadist ideology, was disgusted by Americans’ sexual license during the 1950s, yet he was clearly viscerally excited by its spectacle. Mohammed Atta, the leader of the Sept. 11 hijackers, instructed in his will that his body be prepared for burial by “good Muslims” and that no woman was to go near it, presumably because he found them dirty and spiritually contaminating. This aversion to women didn’t stop him from visiting a strip club just before the attack, but it did prevent him from shaking women’s hands. One extremist reportedly told the terrorism scholar Jessica Stern that he was “vaginally defeated.”

    According to Professor Juergensmeyer, “Nothing is more intimate than sexuality, and no greater humiliation can be experienced than failure over what one perceives to be one’s sexual role.” Furthermore, he argues, such failures “can lead to public violence,” which is performed to cancel out feelings of shame and reassert the claim to manhood.
     
    The NYT mentions Islamic terrorists and "Incels" in their article, but SJWs/feminists are a less militant group who should be mentioned too.

    If everybody got plastic surgery to look beautiful and was given access to a harem of attractive partners, I guarantee you much of the world's hostility/tension/violence would quickly evaporate.

    The question is not whether sex, or lack thereof, is the fundamental motivator, it is how to get from here to there, or how to rejigger the sex-mate-family formation frames to get to something that works going forward. We’re (likely) not going back to Father Knows Best without cultural obliteration. Accepting that may be a starting point.

  80. @Jason Liu
    There's rumors she dated weev, Daily Stormer's tech guy and alleged Jew. Either way, the question of overassimilation is being discussed more often in Asian communities. Asian women are especially eager to fit in with white liberals to the point they sound indistinguishable from the average filthy hipster.

    At one point it may have been respectable to assimilate into the host culture, but I actively discourage anyone from assimilating into urban campus SJW culture.

    “Daily Stormer’s tech guy and alleged Jew”

    Wow, those Jews really got their fingers in everything! Even the antisemitism industry!

    Y’know, ya really gotta admire that on a certain level….

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Wow, those Jews really got their fingers in everything! Even the antisemitism industry!
     
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Burros
  81. @Brooklyn
    OMG, a girl took a picture next to a guy, that must mean they are 'totally' banging. I always though Sailer was above this but I guess even goes into the mud now. The guy is named Parker Higgins, they never dated and trust me when I say he does alot better in his choice of females. Nevermind that Sarah Jeong is LGBTQ. They both tried to launch a tech newsletter back in 2014. The photo in this article comes from the below twitter account.
    https://twitter.com/5ua

    "In 2014, Jeong and Electronic Frontier Foundation activist Parker Higgins launched a periodic newsletter called "5 Useful Articles", offering a wry take on intellectual property issues, current and historical."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Jeong

    “a wry take” = not expert or experienced enough to give meaningful advice

  82. @Diversity Heretic
    Chateau Heartiste has made observations along similar lines:

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2018/08/02/weev-and-his-heartbroken-waifu/

    I also wonder how much of her butthurt resentment isn't really directed at the superior sexual market value of white women.

    “the superior sexual market value of white women.”

    If you check the league tables over at OkCupid, you’ll find that recently Asian women have deposed white women from their throne as queen of the dating market.

    To be fair to the Asianettes, they probably didn’t so much depose their white sisters as their white sisters deposed themselves. Obesity, piercings, tattoos and slut culture don’t make for a good look.

    Watch out white girls! Latinas are set to eclipse you by 2020!

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Watch out white girls! Latinas are set to eclipse you by 2020!
     
    Dunno....


    http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Miscellaneous/Other/aztecs.jpg
    , @Jaakko Raipala
    White women still have one trump card, though: the ability to make white babies. A young white guy who just entered college isn't thinking about starting a family so he's not going to turn down an Asian girl. But once he gets a few years older and starts thinking about marriage, he is going to start wondering whether he wants half-Asian children and that means a lot of college Asian girlfriends are going to get swapped for white girls.

    Now imagine that you're an Asian girl, you had a solid catch for a boyfriend when you were a student and things seemed to be going well as you were entering the age where people start having serious thoughts about starting a family... and then you get dumped for a white girl who might not even be as thin and cute as you are just because she can give the man children who look like him. That's going to leave behind some crazy racial resentment.
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    Watch out white girls! Latinas are set to eclipse you by 2020!
     
    Indeed, the whole sun will be blocked out by their big-ass moons ... kinda like in ¡Apocalypto!, but in a very real sense, not like that at all.
    .
    .

    (Hey, I wasn't even supposed to comment today. This was like a big softball up there, though ...)
  83. gp says:
    @Canadian Observer
    Ms. Jeong makes me laugh more than anything because she reminds me of several Korean-Canadians I went to school with. They can be a loud and vulgar lot. Ask any Japanese or Chinese person if you don’t believe me. Unfortunately, given license to let loose their vulgar impulses in our suddenly free-for-all culture makes for a toxic combination.

    Although intelligent and hardworking, Koreans tend to lack the refinement and subtlety to make their insults pass as mere jest. They’re too blunt and obvious for their own good. As we all know, Asian-American women in general make for foul comedians. I remember in school these women loudly screaming “whitey sucks” in their Valley girl accents while attempting to impress some SJW teacher during a social science presentation. Then two minutes later, these same Asian ladies would rejoin their white girlfriends for a gossip session or flirt with some white Chad in the hallway.
    Sarah Jeong is no dummy.

    I’d estimate her IQ to be in the 115 range. She certainly knows how to check the right boxes, attend the right schools, make the right friends, etc. But I can imagine Jeong is genuinely taken aback by this current controversy: “I was just being jocular and witty. Why are they all taking me so seriously?”

    Of course, part of the reason for the rampant ugliness that now pervades the West is that we’ve lost the will to take control of our guests. I lived in an Asia for a while, and never once did an Asian person come close to addressing me in the way Jeong addresses white people. However, I notice that even Asian FOB women start catching the SJW disease after just a couple of years of exposure. I was dating a Chinese girl who had just immigrated to Canada a few years before. In stilted English, she blamed all the problems on her life on “white racism” and called all white authority figures in her life “racist”.

    Let the Times whither and die. I used to buy it all the time. Now I never do.

    “I was just being jocular and witty.” Fails because her tweets are neither funny nor clever. They are simply dime-a-dozen value-signaling grunts for tribal identification, spewed with fiery hatred. Banal, stupid, jejeune, thoughtless, whatever. They are the precise _opposite_ of what you would expect to read from a candidate for the job of news editor. This is how we know that her hire is primarily meant by NYT to be a blatant, unmistakable F.U. to traditional Americans.

    Unlike many of her critics, this pale male finds her (only!) physically attractive. I am oppressing her with my leering drooling old white man stare, and objectivizing her to a mere masturbatory aid.

  84. I also wondered about the possibility that white men had no romantic interest in Sarah Jeong. Or perhaps she was dumped by a white boyfriend. Could this have made her bitter?

  85. @JohnnyWalker123
    For many people, a huge source of frustration in their lives is their inadequate sexual value. Many people want to be considered sexually desirable and have partners who are also sexually desirable. When this fails to happen, they lash out in all sorts of ways. They become radicalized and easy to recruit by extremist movements.

    SJWs/feminists, "Incel" lone gunmen, and Islamic militant groups have different ideologies. However, there's one underlying factor that fuels the rage of all three of these groups.

    The New York Times has some excellent analysis below.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/opinion/sex-shame-incels-jihadists-minassian.html

    As an instrument for delivering publicity, terrorism clearly works. Or at least it did last week, when the hitherto obscure term “incel” went viral after Alek Minassian drove a truck into a crowd of pedestrians in downtown Toronto. Mr. Minassian, just before carrying out his attack, wrote a post on Facebook in which he proclaimed the arrival of an “incel rebellion.” Standing for “involuntarily celibate,” the term is used as a badge of honor among a fringe online subculture of misogynists who say they hate women for depriving them of sex. So now we know.

    Were it not for that post, speculation about Mr. Minassian’s attack would have focused on its connection to the Islamic State. It certainly looked like an Islamic State attack: The terrorist group has been aggressively inciting its followers to kill Western civilians with motor vehicles, and since then there have been many such attacks. Mr. Minassian cannot have been oblivious to these horrific rampages and the tremendous publicity that they attracted. This was an Islamic State-inspired attack minus the Islamic State ideology.

    Mr. Minassian is obviously a deeply troubled individual. And mass murder is driven by a variety of psychological factors. But much of Mr. Minassian’s trouble seems to have been fueled or exacerbated by the frustration and shame that accompanied his lack of sexual contact with women. This would have made him feel unfulfilled and indignant, and also weak and unmanly. The sense of shame from not being able to perform a culturally approved sex role may be a key to understanding his murderous rage. It may also be another thread connecting him to other violent actors whose ideology is different from his own, yet whose actions are similar. It is not difficult to spot parallels with the world of jihadism, where women and sex are similarly fixated on to an extraordinary degree.

    Among those who identify with the “incel” movement, there is a pathological fixation on sex and women, and there is a self-pitying perception that everyone else, except the community of “incels,” is having sex. Women are craved, but they are also reviled for what the incels believe is their selective promiscuity: They seem to be having sex with everyone but them. This is internalized as a grave personal insult. The function of the “incel” movement is to transform that personal grievance into an ideology that casts women as despicable sexual objects.

    The core emotion that animates “incels” is sexual shame. It’s not just that these men are sexually frustrated; it’s that they are ashamed of their sexual failure. At the same time, they are resentful of the sexual success of others, which amplifies their own sense of inadequacy. This explains why they gravitate toward an online subculture that strives to rationalize their shame and redirect the blame for their failure onto women.

    Like incels, jihadists similarly crave sex, but the circumstances surrounding its consummation are closely regulated by their religious norms, which prohibit sex outside of marriage and same-sex couplings. Among jihadists, even masturbation is frowned upon, although Osama bin Laden famously issued a masturbation fatwa, permitting it in times of urgent need.

    This repressive attitude toward sex and sexuality has led some commentators to suggest a connection between sexual frustration and the murderous rage of jihadist suicide bombers. The evolutionary biologist and atheist Richard Dawkins, for example, suggested that far from being motivated by thoughts of injustice, the Sept. 11 hijackers were driven by thoughts of sex. Referring to the “martyr’s reward of 72 virgin brides,” he asserted that “testosterone-sodden young men too unattractive to get a woman in this world might be desperate enough to go for 72 private virgins in the next.” Developing this theme further, the late Christopher Hitchens wrote that the jihadists’ “problem is not so much that they desire virgins as that they are virgins.” Or as the sociologist Mark Juergensmeyer once put it: “Can’t get married, can’t have sex, so they blow things up.”

    It’s easy to dismiss these observations as reductive caricatures in their portrayal of Muslims as sexually repressed. And, of course, jihadist violence is about far more than just sexual frustration. But there is too much anecdotal evidence about the sexual torment of jihadists and their ideologues to reject the connection outright. For example, Sayyid Qutb, the grandfather of jihadist ideology, was disgusted by Americans’ sexual license during the 1950s, yet he was clearly viscerally excited by its spectacle. Mohammed Atta, the leader of the Sept. 11 hijackers, instructed in his will that his body be prepared for burial by “good Muslims” and that no woman was to go near it, presumably because he found them dirty and spiritually contaminating. This aversion to women didn’t stop him from visiting a strip club just before the attack, but it did prevent him from shaking women’s hands. One extremist reportedly told the terrorism scholar Jessica Stern that he was “vaginally defeated.”

    According to Professor Juergensmeyer, “Nothing is more intimate than sexuality, and no greater humiliation can be experienced than failure over what one perceives to be one’s sexual role.” Furthermore, he argues, such failures “can lead to public violence,” which is performed to cancel out feelings of shame and reassert the claim to manhood.
     
    The NYT mentions Islamic terrorists and "Incels" in their article, but SJWs/feminists are a less militant group who should be mentioned too.

    If everybody got plastic surgery to look beautiful and was given access to a harem of attractive partners, I guarantee you much of the world's hostility/tension/violence would quickly evaporate.

    This is the whole point of getting as close to monogamy as possible. Everybody ideally gets one partner that will likely be on their “level”. In practice, it is an unachievable ideal, as all ideals are with human beings, but as long as a society tries to actively get as close to it as possible, things work more or less OK for the overwhelming majority of people, male and female. It’s not a perfect system, but it is far better than the alternatives.

    I’ve noticed in the 21st Century that there is a distinct issue with people getting over themselves and admitting where they really lie on the sexual market. There’s a lot of decidedly “hamburger” people going after “prime rib” mates and refusing to consider people more on their level, even as a temporary stop-gap measure while they work on improving themselves to attract higher quality mates. This tendency is especially pronounced-and extreme-with modern women due to a host of factors, thus leading to the inevitable (and understandable) frustration from 20-something men, but the men are by no means innocent themselves here. A quick trip through the incel subreddit would have been enough to prove that.

    Either you’ve got to adjust your expectations in a partner, or you’ve got to improve your social value. Either route is fine-up to the individual and what he or she values more, and how he or she defines a high-status mate. I personally think society has gotten *way* too obsessed with using courtship as a social prestige barometer when people could doing a lot more valuable things with their time. But refusing to do either is a sure route to unhappiness.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    You can thank the ascendant status of women for the last bit.
  86. @Almost Missouri

    "the superior sexual market value of white women."
     
    If you check the league tables over at OkCupid, you'll find that recently Asian women have deposed white women from their throne as queen of the dating market.

    To be fair to the Asianettes, they probably didn't so much depose their white sisters as their white sisters deposed themselves. Obesity, piercings, tattoos and slut culture don't make for a good look.

    Watch out white girls! Latinas are set to eclipse you by 2020!

    Watch out white girls! Latinas are set to eclipse you by 2020!

    Dunno….

    • LOL: Dan Hayes
  87. Figures she would go for a Soy-Boy.

  88. @eded
    Is it possible the Sarah Jeong's anti-white tweets are the result of feelings of guilt about being what some people call a "banana". Despite being raised by Korean immigrant parents she strikes me as highly assimilated.

    My suspicion is that she is very "culturally white", is somewhat alienated from her ancestral culture and she feels guilty about this. On the one hand her social, romantic and professional life is heavily white. She is drawn to white American culture, but she has also internalized the SJW anti-white attitude. This leads to certain cognitive dissonance hence the anti-white twitter storms.

    The situation is analogous to the closeted gay man who is ashamed of his homosexuality and then adopts an over the top homophobic public persona to compensate.

    Has she written about Korean culture, the Korean tech sector or Korean internet and gaming culture? I suspect these subjects are too foreign to her, as she is too assimilated too have any insight into these topics.

    Sarah Jeong's high degree of assimilation is what makes her attractive to white progressive editors. They get a token non-white journalist who will mouth the party line. If she had been more culturally Korean with a more diverse Korean perspective she might be an evangelical christian with un-pc views on sex and gender roles, or she might offer a dissenting opinion on affirmative action. Can't have that.

    My suspicion is that she is very “culturally white”, is somewhat alienated from her ancestral culture and she feels guilty about this. … This leads to certain cognitive dissonance hence the anti-white twitter storms.

    Wait … wait … what ethnic group does this remind me of?

    Hello fellow editorial board members!

  89. @nebulafox
    This is the whole point of getting as close to monogamy as possible. Everybody ideally gets one partner that will likely be on their "level". In practice, it is an unachievable ideal, as all ideals are with human beings, but as long as a society tries to actively get as close to it as possible, things work more or less OK for the overwhelming majority of people, male and female. It's not a perfect system, but it is far better than the alternatives.

    I've noticed in the 21st Century that there is a distinct issue with people getting over themselves and admitting where they really lie on the sexual market. There's a lot of decidedly "hamburger" people going after "prime rib" mates and refusing to consider people more on their level, even as a temporary stop-gap measure while they work on improving themselves to attract higher quality mates. This tendency is especially pronounced-and extreme-with modern women due to a host of factors, thus leading to the inevitable (and understandable) frustration from 20-something men, but the men are by no means innocent themselves here. A quick trip through the incel subreddit would have been enough to prove that.

    Either you've got to adjust your expectations in a partner, or you've got to improve your social value. Either route is fine-up to the individual and what he or she values more, and how he or she defines a high-status mate. I personally think society has gotten *way* too obsessed with using courtship as a social prestige barometer when people could doing a lot more valuable things with their time. But refusing to do either is a sure route to unhappiness.

    You can thank the ascendant status of women for the last bit.

  90. @Rosie

    But no society in human history has ever before paid attention to the opinions of its young women. I think we’re in the midst of an experiment to determine the half-life of society silly enough to do so.
     
    You may be right, but I still think the problem is not that we listen to young women, but that we don't listen to anyone else. Men are always dismissed as (1) angry young men, or (2) cranky old men who "fear change." Older women aren't demonized like men, but then our opinions aren't particularly valued either.

    Older women used to be be the font of wisdom on personal relationships. Older men having the last word on political matters. Politics is an old mans game.

    Of course most people have little or no interest or involvment in politics. Whilst everyone has personal problems.

    So older womens wisdom – nastily derided as old wives tales – has played a far more important role in regulating peoples lives. Critical in passing on spiritual values, religious observance and generally keeping the dynasty going. Particulaly since old women tended to outlive their husbands.

    Paul Newman put his finger on it when he said:

    In our family I make all the big decisions like what the official Newman Family stance is on nuclear disarmament, while my wife makes all the little decisions, like where we’ll live and where’ll we send our kids to school.

    Unfortunately younger professionsl educated women often delay or forgo having children, thus losing the experience of getting wisdom. Feminist ideology is not a satisfactory substitute for life experience.

    My Irish grandmother – Emma Janette McIntyre – was by far the wisest and wittiest person i ever came across. God bless her soul.

  91. @JohnnyWalker123
    For many people, a huge source of frustration in their lives is their inadequate sexual value. Many people want to be considered sexually desirable and have partners who are also sexually desirable. When this fails to happen, they lash out in all sorts of ways. They become radicalized and easy to recruit by extremist movements.

    SJWs/feminists, "Incel" lone gunmen, and Islamic militant groups have different ideologies. However, there's one underlying factor that fuels the rage of all three of these groups.

    The New York Times has some excellent analysis below.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/opinion/sex-shame-incels-jihadists-minassian.html

    As an instrument for delivering publicity, terrorism clearly works. Or at least it did last week, when the hitherto obscure term “incel” went viral after Alek Minassian drove a truck into a crowd of pedestrians in downtown Toronto. Mr. Minassian, just before carrying out his attack, wrote a post on Facebook in which he proclaimed the arrival of an “incel rebellion.” Standing for “involuntarily celibate,” the term is used as a badge of honor among a fringe online subculture of misogynists who say they hate women for depriving them of sex. So now we know.

    Were it not for that post, speculation about Mr. Minassian’s attack would have focused on its connection to the Islamic State. It certainly looked like an Islamic State attack: The terrorist group has been aggressively inciting its followers to kill Western civilians with motor vehicles, and since then there have been many such attacks. Mr. Minassian cannot have been oblivious to these horrific rampages and the tremendous publicity that they attracted. This was an Islamic State-inspired attack minus the Islamic State ideology.

    Mr. Minassian is obviously a deeply troubled individual. And mass murder is driven by a variety of psychological factors. But much of Mr. Minassian’s trouble seems to have been fueled or exacerbated by the frustration and shame that accompanied his lack of sexual contact with women. This would have made him feel unfulfilled and indignant, and also weak and unmanly. The sense of shame from not being able to perform a culturally approved sex role may be a key to understanding his murderous rage. It may also be another thread connecting him to other violent actors whose ideology is different from his own, yet whose actions are similar. It is not difficult to spot parallels with the world of jihadism, where women and sex are similarly fixated on to an extraordinary degree.

    Among those who identify with the “incel” movement, there is a pathological fixation on sex and women, and there is a self-pitying perception that everyone else, except the community of “incels,” is having sex. Women are craved, but they are also reviled for what the incels believe is their selective promiscuity: They seem to be having sex with everyone but them. This is internalized as a grave personal insult. The function of the “incel” movement is to transform that personal grievance into an ideology that casts women as despicable sexual objects.

    The core emotion that animates “incels” is sexual shame. It’s not just that these men are sexually frustrated; it’s that they are ashamed of their sexual failure. At the same time, they are resentful of the sexual success of others, which amplifies their own sense of inadequacy. This explains why they gravitate toward an online subculture that strives to rationalize their shame and redirect the blame for their failure onto women.

    Like incels, jihadists similarly crave sex, but the circumstances surrounding its consummation are closely regulated by their religious norms, which prohibit sex outside of marriage and same-sex couplings. Among jihadists, even masturbation is frowned upon, although Osama bin Laden famously issued a masturbation fatwa, permitting it in times of urgent need.

    This repressive attitude toward sex and sexuality has led some commentators to suggest a connection between sexual frustration and the murderous rage of jihadist suicide bombers. The evolutionary biologist and atheist Richard Dawkins, for example, suggested that far from being motivated by thoughts of injustice, the Sept. 11 hijackers were driven by thoughts of sex. Referring to the “martyr’s reward of 72 virgin brides,” he asserted that “testosterone-sodden young men too unattractive to get a woman in this world might be desperate enough to go for 72 private virgins in the next.” Developing this theme further, the late Christopher Hitchens wrote that the jihadists’ “problem is not so much that they desire virgins as that they are virgins.” Or as the sociologist Mark Juergensmeyer once put it: “Can’t get married, can’t have sex, so they blow things up.”

    It’s easy to dismiss these observations as reductive caricatures in their portrayal of Muslims as sexually repressed. And, of course, jihadist violence is about far more than just sexual frustration. But there is too much anecdotal evidence about the sexual torment of jihadists and their ideologues to reject the connection outright. For example, Sayyid Qutb, the grandfather of jihadist ideology, was disgusted by Americans’ sexual license during the 1950s, yet he was clearly viscerally excited by its spectacle. Mohammed Atta, the leader of the Sept. 11 hijackers, instructed in his will that his body be prepared for burial by “good Muslims” and that no woman was to go near it, presumably because he found them dirty and spiritually contaminating. This aversion to women didn’t stop him from visiting a strip club just before the attack, but it did prevent him from shaking women’s hands. One extremist reportedly told the terrorism scholar Jessica Stern that he was “vaginally defeated.”

    According to Professor Juergensmeyer, “Nothing is more intimate than sexuality, and no greater humiliation can be experienced than failure over what one perceives to be one’s sexual role.” Furthermore, he argues, such failures “can lead to public violence,” which is performed to cancel out feelings of shame and reassert the claim to manhood.
     
    The NYT mentions Islamic terrorists and "Incels" in their article, but SJWs/feminists are a less militant group who should be mentioned too.

    If everybody got plastic surgery to look beautiful and was given access to a harem of attractive partners, I guarantee you much of the world's hostility/tension/violence would quickly evaporate.

    Maybe the Muslim idea of covering up has some merit.

    Modest dress is also standard for some types of Jews and Christians.

    Maybe parental match-making isn’t such a bad idea?

    • Replies: @Mike Street Station

    Modest dress is also standard for some types of Jews and Christians.

    Maybe parental match-making isn’t such a bad idea?
     
    Everything old is new again.
    , @Tyrion 2

    Maybe parental match-making isn’t such a bad idea?
     
    As far as I can tell, only about a third of young people have the necessary skills to find a suitable mate.

    The next third have the skills to find an unsuitable mate.

    The final third have no skills at all.

    Matchmaking is needed for the last third, preferable for the middle third and not a big loss for the top third.

    It need not be formal. Staying with some very high social status East Asians, one of the first things the older ladies ask is whether I am single or not. I'm not and they express strong disappointment.

    I imagine this is a simulated and for politeness version of their normal reaction. I am very far below their financial league. Though I suppose they may not know that. But it is indicative of how business minded clans know how to help guide their offspring.

    The West could learn a lot from this. Who you marry may be the most important decision in your life. Why are 20 somethings making that decision on their own? I trust the judgements of these extremely sharp-eyed old ladies far more than mine.
  92. @Clifford Brown

    I’d estimate her IQ to be in the 115 range.
     
    She went to Harvard Law School without a legacy or affirmative action. Her IQ is at least 135, but likely higher. Harvard Law types are pretty sharp.

    She went to Harvard Law School without a legacy or affirmative action. Her IQ is at least 135, but likely higher.

    I met quite a few Harvard Law types, over the years. “At least 135, but likely higher” is an overestimate.

    I’m sure her LSAT results were pretty good, but she almost certainly got a place at HLS for her “edgy” activities” in a “new platform for public speech” or some such. Being Korean+pink hair must not have hurt either. Diversity in a different guise. Harvard Law School probably patted itself on the back for being ahead of the pack itself when it extended her an offer.

    I speculate of course, but I’m familiar with how prestigious institutions fall for the lure of the new, in fields of activity they don’t fully understand.

    • Replies: @Hallie Scott Kline
    Might’ve been a first-generation college student?
  93. This is a blog item that I wish SS had not written. Leave her personal life out of this. Will you really be happy if enterprising people uncover all sorts of embarrassing things about what she did on dates and so forth? Or what he did? The real issue, which I think he has very well focused on previously, is that what is arguably the most influential newspaper in the country is leading a movement of anti-(non-Jewish)white sentiment whose egregiousness grows more egregious every day.

  94. @Almost Missouri

    "Daily Stormer’s tech guy and alleged Jew"
     
    Wow, those Jews really got their fingers in everything! Even the antisemitism industry!

    Y'know, ya really gotta admire that on a certain level....

    Wow, those Jews really got their fingers in everything! Even the antisemitism industry!

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Burros

  95. @CCZ
    She has one "ex" who she says "cheated" on her, but lord only know why he did, maybe with good reason.

    “I’ve been insanely behind email and work but in my defense, I got horribly sick, I found out my boyfriend has been cheating on me for months, and then there was a terrorist attack [June 2, 2017 Portland train passengers stabbing] in my neighborhood lololololol” (June 3)

    “June is my birthday month and my Worst Ex Ever is now out of my life” (June 3)

    https://mastodon.social/@sarahjeong

    That break-up is 2-3 years after most of the tweets. But likely others before that. She has also tweeted that she is into straight cis white boys.

    And further down your Mastadon link she posts some links to Fifty Shades movie shots. She’s got ivory fever.

  96. @another underground man
    That's not just a white dude, that's a white-white dude. Haven Monahan, even.

    He’s still picking the glass out of his knees.

  97. @JohnnyWalker123
    For many people, a huge source of frustration in their lives is their inadequate sexual value. Many people want to be considered sexually desirable and have partners who are also sexually desirable. When this fails to happen, they lash out in all sorts of ways. They become radicalized and easy to recruit by extremist movements.

    SJWs/feminists, "Incel" lone gunmen, and Islamic militant groups have different ideologies. However, there's one underlying factor that fuels the rage of all three of these groups.

    The New York Times has some excellent analysis below.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/opinion/sex-shame-incels-jihadists-minassian.html

    As an instrument for delivering publicity, terrorism clearly works. Or at least it did last week, when the hitherto obscure term “incel” went viral after Alek Minassian drove a truck into a crowd of pedestrians in downtown Toronto. Mr. Minassian, just before carrying out his attack, wrote a post on Facebook in which he proclaimed the arrival of an “incel rebellion.” Standing for “involuntarily celibate,” the term is used as a badge of honor among a fringe online subculture of misogynists who say they hate women for depriving them of sex. So now we know.

    Were it not for that post, speculation about Mr. Minassian’s attack would have focused on its connection to the Islamic State. It certainly looked like an Islamic State attack: The terrorist group has been aggressively inciting its followers to kill Western civilians with motor vehicles, and since then there have been many such attacks. Mr. Minassian cannot have been oblivious to these horrific rampages and the tremendous publicity that they attracted. This was an Islamic State-inspired attack minus the Islamic State ideology.

    Mr. Minassian is obviously a deeply troubled individual. And mass murder is driven by a variety of psychological factors. But much of Mr. Minassian’s trouble seems to have been fueled or exacerbated by the frustration and shame that accompanied his lack of sexual contact with women. This would have made him feel unfulfilled and indignant, and also weak and unmanly. The sense of shame from not being able to perform a culturally approved sex role may be a key to understanding his murderous rage. It may also be another thread connecting him to other violent actors whose ideology is different from his own, yet whose actions are similar. It is not difficult to spot parallels with the world of jihadism, where women and sex are similarly fixated on to an extraordinary degree.

    Among those who identify with the “incel” movement, there is a pathological fixation on sex and women, and there is a self-pitying perception that everyone else, except the community of “incels,” is having sex. Women are craved, but they are also reviled for what the incels believe is their selective promiscuity: They seem to be having sex with everyone but them. This is internalized as a grave personal insult. The function of the “incel” movement is to transform that personal grievance into an ideology that casts women as despicable sexual objects.

    The core emotion that animates “incels” is sexual shame. It’s not just that these men are sexually frustrated; it’s that they are ashamed of their sexual failure. At the same time, they are resentful of the sexual success of others, which amplifies their own sense of inadequacy. This explains why they gravitate toward an online subculture that strives to rationalize their shame and redirect the blame for their failure onto women.

    Like incels, jihadists similarly crave sex, but the circumstances surrounding its consummation are closely regulated by their religious norms, which prohibit sex outside of marriage and same-sex couplings. Among jihadists, even masturbation is frowned upon, although Osama bin Laden famously issued a masturbation fatwa, permitting it in times of urgent need.

    This repressive attitude toward sex and sexuality has led some commentators to suggest a connection between sexual frustration and the murderous rage of jihadist suicide bombers. The evolutionary biologist and atheist Richard Dawkins, for example, suggested that far from being motivated by thoughts of injustice, the Sept. 11 hijackers were driven by thoughts of sex. Referring to the “martyr’s reward of 72 virgin brides,” he asserted that “testosterone-sodden young men too unattractive to get a woman in this world might be desperate enough to go for 72 private virgins in the next.” Developing this theme further, the late Christopher Hitchens wrote that the jihadists’ “problem is not so much that they desire virgins as that they are virgins.” Or as the sociologist Mark Juergensmeyer once put it: “Can’t get married, can’t have sex, so they blow things up.”

    It’s easy to dismiss these observations as reductive caricatures in their portrayal of Muslims as sexually repressed. And, of course, jihadist violence is about far more than just sexual frustration. But there is too much anecdotal evidence about the sexual torment of jihadists and their ideologues to reject the connection outright. For example, Sayyid Qutb, the grandfather of jihadist ideology, was disgusted by Americans’ sexual license during the 1950s, yet he was clearly viscerally excited by its spectacle. Mohammed Atta, the leader of the Sept. 11 hijackers, instructed in his will that his body be prepared for burial by “good Muslims” and that no woman was to go near it, presumably because he found them dirty and spiritually contaminating. This aversion to women didn’t stop him from visiting a strip club just before the attack, but it did prevent him from shaking women’s hands. One extremist reportedly told the terrorism scholar Jessica Stern that he was “vaginally defeated.”

    According to Professor Juergensmeyer, “Nothing is more intimate than sexuality, and no greater humiliation can be experienced than failure over what one perceives to be one’s sexual role.” Furthermore, he argues, such failures “can lead to public violence,” which is performed to cancel out feelings of shame and reassert the claim to manhood.
     
    The NYT mentions Islamic terrorists and "Incels" in their article, but SJWs/feminists are a less militant group who should be mentioned too.

    If everybody got plastic surgery to look beautiful and was given access to a harem of attractive partners, I guarantee you much of the world's hostility/tension/violence would quickly evaporate.

    Women are craved, but they are also reviled for what the incels believe is their selective promiscuity: They seem to be having sex with everyone but them.

    This reminds me of the time a black guy explained to me the difference between a “ho” and a “bitch.” A ho will have sex with anyone. A bitch will have sex with anyone but you.

  98. @Almost Missouri

    "the superior sexual market value of white women."
     
    If you check the league tables over at OkCupid, you'll find that recently Asian women have deposed white women from their throne as queen of the dating market.

    To be fair to the Asianettes, they probably didn't so much depose their white sisters as their white sisters deposed themselves. Obesity, piercings, tattoos and slut culture don't make for a good look.

    Watch out white girls! Latinas are set to eclipse you by 2020!

    White women still have one trump card, though: the ability to make white babies. A young white guy who just entered college isn’t thinking about starting a family so he’s not going to turn down an Asian girl. But once he gets a few years older and starts thinking about marriage, he is going to start wondering whether he wants half-Asian children and that means a lot of college Asian girlfriends are going to get swapped for white girls.

    Now imagine that you’re an Asian girl, you had a solid catch for a boyfriend when you were a student and things seemed to be going well as you were entering the age where people start having serious thoughts about starting a family… and then you get dumped for a white girl who might not even be as thin and cute as you are just because she can give the man children who look like him. That’s going to leave behind some crazy racial resentment.

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @Karl
    96 Jaakko Raipala > the ability to make white babies


    even in Finland, Eurasian children are not considered a liability. East Asians run rather light-skinned, so the kids coming out looking (at worst) like they spent a summer at the beach


    By the way, I believe this Sarah has had an "Asian blepharoplasty"

    It's not expensive. It helps a LOT. which is why they get it. And it's a one-and-done.

    Whereas, keeping Sara Netanyahu a blonde, is a monthly maintenance expense for Mr Bibi
    , @Twinkie

    But once he gets a few years older and starts thinking about marriage, he is going to start wondering whether he wants half-Asian children and that means a lot of college Asian girlfriends are going to get swapped for white girls.
     
    Your conjecture is not borne out by intermarriage statistics.
  99. @Almost Missouri

    "the superior sexual market value of white women."
     
    If you check the league tables over at OkCupid, you'll find that recently Asian women have deposed white women from their throne as queen of the dating market.

    To be fair to the Asianettes, they probably didn't so much depose their white sisters as their white sisters deposed themselves. Obesity, piercings, tattoos and slut culture don't make for a good look.

    Watch out white girls! Latinas are set to eclipse you by 2020!

    Watch out white girls! Latinas are set to eclipse you by 2020!

    Indeed, the whole sun will be blocked out by their big-ass moons … kinda like in ¡Apocalypto!, but in a very real sense, not like that at all.
    .
    .

    (Hey, I wasn’t even supposed to comment today. This was like a big softball up there, though …)

  100. @The Wild Geese Howard

    The thirst on this site never ceases to be hilarious. She is anything but “really cute.”
     
    Not true.

    Half the reason Ms. Jeong has warranted so many posts is that she is highly provocative.

    The other half is that she is still quite smashable, regardless of her personal politics and worldview.

    Yeah, after a shot or 10

  101. @Big Bill
    Will some aryan white dude please marry her, shtup her and knock her up?

    She is Chinese. She's cute. She wants it bad, and she's only going to get more and more bitter until you do. New York City does that to cute college girls.

    Think of what happened to poor Jessica Valenti, Sarah's biggest fan: Jessica waited until her eggs dried up, she hit the wall, she married a beta boy, and she is even more bitter.

    Don't make Sarah wait and suffer the same tragic results.

    Start with the easy stuff and establish a solid frame. Tell her you won't be seen with her on the street until she washes the color junk out of her hair. She'll do it, trust me. And her parents will thank you.

    There is a reason why the Japs made Koreans comfort women and not Chinese. Korean women are really good in bed. And not like the French, with their frenetic search for novelty, just good old all-you-can-eat, meat-and-potatoes sex.

    I only add this to encourage the would be shtupper.

  102. @Cagey Beast
    But no society in human history has ever before paid attention to the opinions of its young women.

    I can think of three reasons:

    - We live in a consumer capitalist society. Young women are fantastic consumers.

    - Young women have a bossy maternal instinct that be misdirected by those who want political enforcers at the grass-roots level.

    - Men knock themselves out to please young women.

    Precisely why the institutional subjugation of women is an indispensable piece of social technology, solving as it does the collective action problem that precludes any sort of constraint on their corrosive behavior today.

  103. @Cagey Beast

    I remember in school these women loudly screaming “whitey sucks” in their Valley girl accents while attempting to impress some SJW teacher during a social science presentation. Then two minutes later, these same Asian ladies would rejoin their white girlfriends for a gossip session or flirt with some white Chad in the hallway.
    Sarah Jeong is no dummy.
     
    Asian girls are both Asian and girls at the same time. This makes them double strength conformists. When a behaviour is socially rewarded by high status people, they react strongly. It kind of makes them the conformist in the coal mine.

    Yup Asians are extremely collectivist like they’re in a beehive. Whites could easily keep them under control in our society but we’re weak so they’re confirming to the SJW culture more strongly that sjws.

  104. @Brooklyn
    OMG, a girl took a picture next to a guy, that must mean they are 'totally' banging. I always though Sailer was above this but I guess even goes into the mud now. The guy is named Parker Higgins, they never dated and trust me when I say he does alot better in his choice of females. Nevermind that Sarah Jeong is LGBTQ. They both tried to launch a tech newsletter back in 2014. The photo in this article comes from the below twitter account.
    https://twitter.com/5ua

    "In 2014, Jeong and Electronic Frontier Foundation activist Parker Higgins launched a periodic newsletter called "5 Useful Articles", offering a wry take on intellectual property issues, current and historical."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Jeong

    It is bordering, a bit, upon Lady’s Sewing Circle material, Steve.

  105. @Roderick Spode
    Yeah, Sarah hates white boys because they don't notice her enough; thanks captain obvious.

    Honestly the strongest yearning I picked up from her tweets was to be shut up/put in her place by one of the white men she obviously fetishizes. Quoth William S.: "Peace! I will stop your mouth."

    It would be a better look for white people if we could just laugh off this kind of prejudice. As another commenter put it here yesterday, we always win anyway. Someone ask her on a date.

    I’ve been on this site a long time. What I have inferred is that if she is Asian, she has no shortage of guys noticing her.

  106. @AnotherDad

    If everybody got plastic surgery to look beautiful and was given access to a harem of attractive partners ...
     
    "given access ..."--how exactly do you achieve that? (Well without robots.)

    Being attractive would indeed considerably reduce the anger quotient of feminist "journalists". Though i'd imagine guys would still do some "germ line" discrimination when i came to marrying and there would definitely still be the harpie problem--shut up already!

    But it doesn't really "fix the problem" for guys. Physical attractiveness is not #1 on female's mate selection criteria. If a guy's not outright ugly, it's essentially some form of precieved status. The guys who would get all the action would be mostly the ones who get it now--one's who are "alpha", successful, rich, witty, athletic, talented, funny, etc.--"charming". With "attractiveness" washed away, a few guys with "model looks" but boring would lose out, and have their place taken by currently ugly guys who really are witty and clever. But generally those other indicators would just come to the fore even more. The smart but reserved or tonque tied dude is still not getting any.

    I’m smart, good looking, and witty, but also tongue tied and awkward. Yes, sadly these modern women just glance right over me and pay me no attention. Introverts are not welcome in 2018 … I don’t know what happened to the generations because I enjoy talking to older women, they are very smart and interesting people.

    It’s why I encourage all young men to find a decent woman and get into a relationship with her. You’ll find yourselves, and also not have to worry about all the BS of hookup culture. Not to mention you get 1000x more sex with a gf as opposed to hooking up…

  107. @Clifford Brown

    I’d estimate her IQ to be in the 115 range.
     
    She went to Harvard Law School without a legacy or affirmative action. Her IQ is at least 135, but likely higher. Harvard Law types are pretty sharp.

    She’s Asian, she attended Harvard LS with REVERSE affirmative action.

    150 IQ at least.

  108. A young white guy who just entered college isn’t thinking about starting a family so he’s not going to turn down an Asian girl. But once he gets a few years older and starts thinking about marriage, he is going to start wondering whether he wants half-Asian children and that means a lot of college Asian girlfriends are going to get swapped for white girls.

    Have you seen this happen much, or are you just speculating? Myself, I’ve seen plenty of white guys marry Asian women and have kids with them. John Derbyshire, for one. My Thai wife married a white Air Force sergeant during the Vietnam War and had two kids with him before she divorced him.

  109. @syonredux

    We won’t be silent about race. We won’t be silent about sexual orientation. We won’t be silent about immigrants rights. These are the very issues that define our identity as Americans.
     
    https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1025826966786789376



    Let's see, the things that matter are sexual orientation (non-cis het), race (POC), and being an immigrant.....

    We won’t be silent about race. We won’t be silent about sexual orientation. We won’t be silent about immigrants rights. These are the very issues that define our identity as Americans.

    It’s impressive to me how the ideological and rhetorical machinery of the Proposition Nation can pivot from “life, liberty, and property” to racial minorities and their authentic, down-wif-it minoritiness, sexual deviancy, and net tax-eaters who bring nothing to the table.

    In other words, we go from defining the nation by the values of its majority founding stock to defining it by its most marginal members. It’s like saying some random schizo homeless personifies New York City instead of, say, Donald Trump.

    Of course, who saw that life, liberty, and property would encompass abortion, sex changes, gay marriage, welfare, Title VII, Title IX, and untrammeled entry into the United States. In retrospect, we all should have. The Proposition Nation can do no differently.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "It’s impressive to me how the ideological and rhetorical machinery of the Proposition Nation can pivot from “life, liberty, and property” to racial minorities and their authentic, down-wif-it minoritiness, sexual deviancy, and net tax-eaters who bring nothing to the table."

    That would be a false characterization. There is no other way to describe it.

    "In other words, we go from defining the nation by the values of its majority founding stock to defining it by its most marginal members."

    Patently false. The reality is that we have defined, and will continue shape our definition, of our nation by the values of our citizens, past and present. There are no "marginal members" who are engaged in this process.

    "Of course, who saw that life, liberty, and property would encompass abortion, sex changes, gay marriage, welfare, Title VII, Title IX, and untrammeled entry into the United States."

    The Founders, with their vision for Americans to chart their own path.
  110. @another underground man
    That's not just a white dude, that's a white-white dude. Haven Monahan, even.

    5. another underground man > that’s a white-white dude. Haven Monahan, even

    track the guy down and interview him. The NY Post would buy the story. They pay cash, amigo

    we know he’s a vet of Iraq. How many white Iraq vets are there in NYC?

    The USA’s Yellow Pages are ===full=== of P.I. agencies who would love an assignment that’s less boring than photographing-in-action, the next disability-pension faker.

    They USED to be able to bread-&-butter off of photographing adulteries, but that business dried up when the USA went Full no-fault-divorce

  111. @Jaakko Raipala
    White women still have one trump card, though: the ability to make white babies. A young white guy who just entered college isn't thinking about starting a family so he's not going to turn down an Asian girl. But once he gets a few years older and starts thinking about marriage, he is going to start wondering whether he wants half-Asian children and that means a lot of college Asian girlfriends are going to get swapped for white girls.

    Now imagine that you're an Asian girl, you had a solid catch for a boyfriend when you were a student and things seemed to be going well as you were entering the age where people start having serious thoughts about starting a family... and then you get dumped for a white girl who might not even be as thin and cute as you are just because she can give the man children who look like him. That's going to leave behind some crazy racial resentment.

    96 Jaakko Raipala > the ability to make white babies

    even in Finland, Eurasian children are not considered a liability. East Asians run rather light-skinned, so the kids coming out looking (at worst) like they spent a summer at the beach

    By the way, I believe this Sarah has had an “Asian blepharoplasty”

    It’s not expensive. It helps a LOT. which is why they get it. And it’s a one-and-done.

    Whereas, keeping Sara Netanyahu a blonde, is a monthly maintenance expense for Mr Bibi

  112. @Clifford Brown

    If everybody got plastic surgery to look beautiful and was given access to a harem of attractive partners, I guarantee you much of the world’s hostility/tension/violence would quickly evaporate.
     
    And nothing would ever get done.

    47 Clifford Brown > And nothing would ever get done

    might be a blessing in disguise

  113. @Anonymous
    Homely women take romantic rejection much more personally than do better-looking women. They know their chances of getting another man are not that good. In what's-her-face's case, if she is into white men, her chances are worse because she has to attract from the limited pool of white men who would consider a relationship (not merely a dalliance) with an oriental -- and then one who would be okay with a woman whose photo is used in the dictionary to define the word ぶさいく.

    She looks alright when her hair is long and a believable color, but that hot pink pixie cut is deliberately unattractive.

  114. @Buffalo Joe
    Twinkie, You are correct. After being dropped she will have a round of appearances on the MSM shows where she will be treated as the victim of white supremacy . Sort of like the woman who could not afford condoms, even though she was attending Georgetown Law...Sandra Flake ?

    Her rant (on YouTube and worth watching, Btw) focused on the pill as used for ovarian cysts, endometriosis, fibroids, etc., rather than preventing micro-humans.

    It is, however, full of Special Pleading and Hearsay, both of which she, as a law student, knew perfectly well were inappropriate.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Rosamond, thank you. Love the term micro-humans.
  115. @Diversity Heretic
    Chateau Heartiste has made observations along similar lines:

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2018/08/02/weev-and-his-heartbroken-waifu/

    I also wonder how much of her butthurt resentment isn't really directed at the superior sexual market value of white women.

    Don’t bet on that:

  116. @syonredux

    We won’t be silent about race. We won’t be silent about sexual orientation. We won’t be silent about immigrants rights. These are the very issues that define our identity as Americans.
     
    https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1025826966786789376



    Let's see, the things that matter are sexual orientation (non-cis het), race (POC), and being an immigrant.....

    In a nutshell: if that’s their identity, they’re not Americans.

  117. @Rosie

    Religion.
     
    And wouldn't that be a source of conflict and tension?

    That’s half of the fun of it.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    That’s half of the fun of it.
     
    Well, that's true. So are we going to debate theology over a cigarette while basking in the afterglow? Lol.
  118. @anony-mouse
    You sure you want to go there?

    https://www.unz.com/ldinh/postcard-from-the-end-of-america-ann-arbor/

    '... my first date was with a Jewish girl, and I even lost my virginity to a Jew...'

    And now he hates Jews.

    Wonder how many others here it's the same.

    First makeout session with a Jewish boy. It was awesome.

    • Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double
    You forgot the “/sarc” tag.
    , @Anonymous
    Pictures or it didn't happen.
  119. @AnotherDad

    If everybody got plastic surgery to look beautiful and was given access to a harem of attractive partners ...
     
    "given access ..."--how exactly do you achieve that? (Well without robots.)

    Being attractive would indeed considerably reduce the anger quotient of feminist "journalists". Though i'd imagine guys would still do some "germ line" discrimination when i came to marrying and there would definitely still be the harpie problem--shut up already!

    But it doesn't really "fix the problem" for guys. Physical attractiveness is not #1 on female's mate selection criteria. If a guy's not outright ugly, it's essentially some form of precieved status. The guys who would get all the action would be mostly the ones who get it now--one's who are "alpha", successful, rich, witty, athletic, talented, funny, etc.--"charming". With "attractiveness" washed away, a few guys with "model looks" but boring would lose out, and have their place taken by currently ugly guys who really are witty and clever. But generally those other indicators would just come to the fore even more. The smart but reserved or tonque tied dude is still not getting any.

    And then the next generation will have more ugly genes and need still more surgery.

    Oh well, at least the cosmetic surgeons will profit.

  120. Feminism is essentially unique in being an ideology that makes no one happy.

    The Frankfurt School jews who created it and their followers are definitely happy.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    The Frankfurt School jews who created it and their followers are definitely happy.
     
    No they are not. No servant of Satan is happy. Old Scratch ensures that any success leads to greater demands and more requirements for unhappiness.

    Satan is the ultimate bureaucrat.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    The Frankfurt School was between WWs I and II. How does this account for Mary Wollstonecraft, Amelia Jenks Bloomer, Lucretia Mott, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Susan B. Anthony, and the Pankhursts (especially Christabel, who was a man-hating lesbian before it was cool, but a class-conscious elitist after it stopped being cool)?

    BTW, the term feminism (orig. "féminisme") is attributed to François Marie Charles Fourier, neither (AFAIK) female nor a Frankfurt Jew. He was, however, a Socialist.
  121. I know one of those women personally . She’s very nice and all, but she is tied to her heritage, and that plagues her and makes her wild. The whole Sarah Jeong affair (and those alike) therefor lets me think of overcompensation of her guilt/ shame/ and rage /inner turmoil/ iner tension or some such – – – just because of the openly practised race– – -ehhh – – – consciousness of the South-Korean society. That’s catch-22 for them especially if you consider that they a) like being in the west and b) are still Korean deep down inside. Scu tensions can lead to cogntive processing problems (lack of logic, overreaction, acting opportunistic etc.).

  122. @PiltdownMan

    She went to Harvard Law School without a legacy or affirmative action. Her IQ is at least 135, but likely higher.
     
    I met quite a few Harvard Law types, over the years. "At least 135, but likely higher" is an overestimate.

    I'm sure her LSAT results were pretty good, but she almost certainly got a place at HLS for her "edgy" activities" in a "new platform for public speech" or some such. Being Korean+pink hair must not have hurt either. Diversity in a different guise. Harvard Law School probably patted itself on the back for being ahead of the pack itself when it extended her an offer.

    I speculate of course, but I'm familiar with how prestigious institutions fall for the lure of the new, in fields of activity they don't fully understand.

    Might’ve been a first-generation college student?

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Might’ve been a first-generation college student?
     
    It is unlikely. Sarah Jeong has mentioned that her parents came to the United States on student visas, and those are granted, overwhelmingly, to college students.
  123. @Jaakko Raipala
    White women still have one trump card, though: the ability to make white babies. A young white guy who just entered college isn't thinking about starting a family so he's not going to turn down an Asian girl. But once he gets a few years older and starts thinking about marriage, he is going to start wondering whether he wants half-Asian children and that means a lot of college Asian girlfriends are going to get swapped for white girls.

    Now imagine that you're an Asian girl, you had a solid catch for a boyfriend when you were a student and things seemed to be going well as you were entering the age where people start having serious thoughts about starting a family... and then you get dumped for a white girl who might not even be as thin and cute as you are just because she can give the man children who look like him. That's going to leave behind some crazy racial resentment.

    But once he gets a few years older and starts thinking about marriage, he is going to start wondering whether he wants half-Asian children and that means a lot of college Asian girlfriends are going to get swapped for white girls.

    Your conjecture is not borne out by intermarriage statistics.

    • Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double
    Our Finnish friend touched a nerve, it seems.
    , @Anonymous

    But once he gets a few years older and starts thinking about marriage, he is going to start wondering whether he wants half-Asian children and that means a lot of college Asian girlfriends are going to get swapped for white girls.

    Your conjecture is not borne out by intermarriage statistics.
     
    Yes, it is.

    https://i.imgur.com/ZqFLfpd.png
    , @Anonym
    Like most traits, there is going to be a distribution of some kind regarding the percentage of white people who will want to wife East Asians and create hapas. Within a generation or two, those with opportunity and that predeliction are going to go that way. After those exogamous genes are boiled off, the endogamous genes are left.

    I went through that sort of calculus myself. I wanted children who look like me and behave like me. The idea of my children being a hybrid because (((media))) and (((academics))) desire it, makes me feel desolate and on the defensive, frankly. Heck, I might have once considered it if it was a novelty, but now it is common I see it as an attack on my ancestry and heritage - who I am.

    The Stranger within my gate,
    He may be true or kind,
    But he does not talk my talk–
    I cannot feel his mind.
    I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
    But not the soul behind.

    The men of my own stock,
    They may do ill or well,
    But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
    They are used to the lies I tell;
    And we do not need interpreters
    When we go to buy or sell.

    The Stranger within my gates,
    He may be evil or good,
    But I cannot tell what powers control–
    What reasons sway his mood;
    Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
    Shall repossess his blood.

    The men of my own stock,
    Bitter bad they may be,
    But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
    And see the things I see;
    And whatever I think of them and their likes
    They think of the likes of me.

    This was my father’s belief
    And this is also mine:
    Let the corn be all one sheaf–
    And the grapes be all one vine,
    Ere our children’s teeth are set on edge
    By bitter bread and wine.

    – Rudyard Kipling
     
  124. @Intelligent Dasein
    I really do think that this whole ugly incident---and many others like it---could have been averted if young people would focus more on their relationships and less on their educations or on signalling their worthiness to join the globalist POZ brigade. A stable marriage/family is the most important thing you can ever gain in this life, but young people never hear that anymore let alone receive training in the virtues of how to produce one.

    They not only don’t hear about stable families anymore . . . they don’t experience them, either.

  125. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Not sure that I can agree with this take on the photo.

    The twinkle in Ms. Jeong's eye and the smile on her face are indicative of someone highly invested in the relationship with the other person in the photo.

    Yeah, she’s into him.

    For comparison, here are two photos of a woman enduring physical contact with someone for whom she has absolute contempt:

    And here’s the same woman enjoying the company of a man who makes her husband look like an elf:

  126. @The Wild Geese Howard
    The twinkle in Ms. Jeong's eye in this photo says it all.

    The twinkle indicates her belief that she had her white Prince Charming sewn up for the long haul.

    She had achieved the dream of landing a good-looking white guy that was smart, funny, on track for a great career, in shape, and knew how to swing his sword.

    The dream house with a white picket fence in Westchester and a couple healthy hapa children were only a few years away.

    He probably got sick of the constant leftist nattering/anti-Trump invective and took up with a blonde sorority girl.

    Unfortunately, this fellow knew how to swing his sword well enough to alpha widow young Ms. Jeong, and now America and its paper of record is left to deal with the fallout in the form of her purely id-driven emotional rage.

    I figure things played out similarly with Ms. Sulkowicz and her paramour at Columbia.

    He probably got sick of the constant leftist nattering/anti-Trump invective and took up with a blonde sorority girl.

    Nope. Leftist true believer. Check his twitter.

    Sowing the wild oats, TED talks for exposure, dropping the H Bomb, he has no need to settle down yet.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    Nope. Leftist true believer. Check his twitter.
     
    This makes the genesis of Ms. Jeong's hatred crystal clear.

    She believed, she really believed that she had landed her unicorn - an attractive, liberal, self-hating, pipe-laying white guy with the correct credentials for a bright future promoting bio-Leninism, that she could parade in front of her jealous friends while she coasted towards her Westchester dream house with a couple bouncy hapa babies playing in the yard.

    [popcorn-getting intensifies]

  127. @Frau Katze
    Maybe the Muslim idea of covering up has some merit.

    Modest dress is also standard for some types of Jews and Christians.

    Maybe parental match-making isn’t such a bad idea?

    Modest dress is also standard for some types of Jews and Christians.

    Maybe parental match-making isn’t such a bad idea?

    Everything old is new again.

  128. @Rosamond Vincy
    First makeout session with a Jewish boy. It was awesome.

    You forgot the “/sarc” tag.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Not at all.

    OTOH, he wasn't a nice Jewish boy. He was an aspiring guitarist and stoner.
  129. @Twinkie

    But once he gets a few years older and starts thinking about marriage, he is going to start wondering whether he wants half-Asian children and that means a lot of college Asian girlfriends are going to get swapped for white girls.
     
    Your conjecture is not borne out by intermarriage statistics.

    Our Finnish friend touched a nerve, it seems.

  130. Even if her animus is not totally explained by some white dude doing the pump/dump, it is a really hilarious way to view her. It must enrage her supporters to watch us reduce her life’s work to cum dumpster status.

    Is there anything worse that can happen to any woman’s ego? Or a man’s? We can rationalize many many disappointments, but sexual rejection cuts to the bone.

  131. @AnotherDad

    Not surprisingly, the ideas churning in the skull of the newest member of the New York Times Editorial Board tend to be an incoherent jumble of powerful but irrational emotions.
     
    Digging through the crisis of the West, i tend to focus on the ideology of Jewish minoritarianism, or cheap labor shilling, or the super-state and "left" parties grasping for voters, but "the woman problem"--and specificaly "the young woman problem" is definitely part of the picture. The modern West seems to pay a ridiculous amount of attention to the rantings of young women.

    Young people on average lack "wisdom" relative to their elders. But young men are at least worth paying attention to because they often come up with new insights and ideas. Nobel laureates often come up with their chief insight in their 20s or early 30s. In social/politcal affairs young men's ideas "new ideas" are usually half-baked--social affairs tend to be more complicated and require more experience or "wisdom"--but at least sometimes worth listening to if in "the emperor has no clothes" vein.

    But why in the world would a society waste *any* cycles listening to young women? Their guideposts are conformity and irrationality. If a young woman is trying to "educate" me, i'm usually fairly polite in my questioning and rebuttal, but my general thought is "get back to me in 20 after you've raised three or four kids".

    Young women have a very important--really the most important--societal role, getting pregnant, nursing and taking care of the next generation. But no society in human history has ever before paid attention to the opinions of its young women. I think we're in the midst of an experiment to determine the half-life of society silly enough to do so.

    Yet another AnotherDad comment that is exactly on the money.

  132. @Clifford Brown

    If everybody got plastic surgery to look beautiful and was given access to a harem of attractive partners, I guarantee you much of the world’s hostility/tension/violence would quickly evaporate.
     
    And nothing would ever get done.

    Quite a lot would get done. But it would be a lot of the same thing.

  133. @Rosie

    But no society in human history has ever before paid attention to the opinions of its young women. I think we’re in the midst of an experiment to determine the half-life of society silly enough to do so.
     
    You may be right, but I still think the problem is not that we listen to young women, but that we don't listen to anyone else. Men are always dismissed as (1) angry young men, or (2) cranky old men who "fear change." Older women aren't demonized like men, but then our opinions aren't particularly valued either.

    I think that you’re on to something there, Rosie.

  134. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    First makeout session with a Jewish boy. It was awesome.

    Pictures or it didn’t happen.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    It was in Jr. High, so pictures would be considered kiddie-porn.
  135. For all the talk about “white genocide,” East Asians truly are undergoing a cultural genocide in America. East Asians are unique vulnerable because of the humility culture of Confucianism, which basically teaches them to be deferential and to always blame themselves. Ms. Jeong has fully assimilated to the East Coast campus culture, you see. But the funny thing about it is that she really will never really get SJW respect. Asians will continue being lumped into “white privilege” by the SJW set.

    And East Asian women are the most highly desired on online dating sites. And their culture is being erased. And their status and their general behavior only accelerates their own erasure, leading to a fundamental alienation and derangement that creatures like Jeong exhibit.

    • Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    For all the talk about “white genocide,” East Asians truly are undergoing a cultural genocide in America.
     
    We’re all under threat, buddy. (((They))) want to rule over a global empire of atomized mystery meat with no sense of community or identity or history beyond whatever the current flavor of Hollywood and social media agitprop happens to be.
  136. @Anonym
    He probably got sick of the constant leftist nattering/anti-Trump invective and took up with a blonde sorority girl.

    Nope. Leftist true believer. Check his twitter.

    Sowing the wild oats, TED talks for exposure, dropping the H Bomb, he has no need to settle down yet.

    Nope. Leftist true believer. Check his twitter.

    This makes the genesis of Ms. Jeong’s hatred crystal clear.

    She believed, she really believed that she had landed her unicorn – an attractive, liberal, self-hating, pipe-laying white guy with the correct credentials for a bright future promoting bio-Leninism, that she could parade in front of her jealous friends while she coasted towards her Westchester dream house with a couple bouncy hapa babies playing in the yard.

    [popcorn-getting intensifies]

  137. @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double
    You forgot the “/sarc” tag.

    Not at all.

    OTOH, he wasn’t a nice Jewish boy. He was an aspiring guitarist and stoner.

  138. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    But once he gets a few years older and starts thinking about marriage, he is going to start wondering whether he wants half-Asian children and that means a lot of college Asian girlfriends are going to get swapped for white girls.
     
    Your conjecture is not borne out by intermarriage statistics.

    But once he gets a few years older and starts thinking about marriage, he is going to start wondering whether he wants half-Asian children and that means a lot of college Asian girlfriends are going to get swapped for white girls.

    Your conjecture is not borne out by intermarriage statistics.

    Yes, it is.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    54% of American-born Asian women who are married are married to non-Asians, mostly whites: http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/05/18/1-trends-and-patterns-in-intermarriage/

    And that’s including Indians who have very low outmarriage rates, meaning for others such as Koreans, that rate is higher still.
    , @bucky
    What is interesting about this table is that you can get figures on how many Asian men are married and how many Asian women are married. 3,460,000 Asian women are married. 3111000 Asian men are married. Disparity about 10%

    This is actually less than what I expected.
    , @bucky
    That is tough to parse out because Asians are such a miniscule minority in America. But interestingly, twice as many Asian women marry white as Asian men marry white.

    Four times as many Asian women marry black and Asian men marry black.

    And something like 2.5x Black women marry white as black men marry white.

    There are many more blacks than Asians in America. Something like 37 million, vs 20 million Asians, though the number of East Asians from Korea, Taiwan, Japan, and China are likely lower. But all the same, 3x as many white-asian pairings as white-black pairings.

    Of course not all whites have asian gf's in college and that is probably impossible to figure out. But the disparity in marriage rates is interesting indeed.

    Men tend to be more outgoing than women. You know of all the conquistadors in South America? All men? Who did they marry? How about women? Your statement may actually make sense in the case of women and who they prefer.
  139. @DH
    Feminism is essentially unique in being an ideology that makes no one happy.

    The Frankfurt School jews who created it and their followers are definitely happy.

    The Frankfurt School jews who created it and their followers are definitely happy.

    No they are not. No servant of Satan is happy. Old Scratch ensures that any success leads to greater demands and more requirements for unhappiness.

    Satan is the ultimate bureaucrat.

  140. @Lot
    ---
    ‘… my first date was with a Jewish girl, and I even lost my virginity to a Jew…’

    And now he hates Jews.

    Wonder how many others here it’s the same.
    ---

    I think one serious case of Jewish ethno-masochism is linked to an inability to find a nice Jewish wife.

    Jewish ethno-masochism is linked to an ability to find a typical Jewish wife.

    FTFY

    ;P

  141. @Frau Katze
    Maybe the Muslim idea of covering up has some merit.

    Modest dress is also standard for some types of Jews and Christians.

    Maybe parental match-making isn’t such a bad idea?

    Maybe parental match-making isn’t such a bad idea?

    As far as I can tell, only about a third of young people have the necessary skills to find a suitable mate.

    The next third have the skills to find an unsuitable mate.

    The final third have no skills at all.

    Matchmaking is needed for the last third, preferable for the middle third and not a big loss for the top third.

    It need not be formal. Staying with some very high social status East Asians, one of the first things the older ladies ask is whether I am single or not. I’m not and they express strong disappointment.

    I imagine this is a simulated and for politeness version of their normal reaction. I am very far below their financial league. Though I suppose they may not know that. But it is indicative of how business minded clans know how to help guide their offspring.

    The West could learn a lot from this. Who you marry may be the most important decision in your life. Why are 20 somethings making that decision on their own? I trust the judgements of these extremely sharp-eyed old ladies far more than mine.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Anonym
    The West could learn a lot from this. Who you marry may be the most important decision in your life. Why are 20 somethings making that decision on their own? I trust the judgements of these extremely sharp-eyed old ladies far more than mine.

    You nailed it.
    , @Anonymous
    The self-centeredness of Western parents makes this problematic. Parents often don't have their children's best interests at heart. (The prevalence of divorce, single parenthood and step-parents aggravates the problem further.) The 'cougar' phenomenon of older women pursuing younger guys comes to mind. There's also the male equivalent that doesn't have a name. There used to be firm boundaries between parents and children, but everything's unsettled now. Kids need to look out for their own interests, which may have to involve aggressively excluding their parents from their personal relationships.
  142. @Twinkie

    But once he gets a few years older and starts thinking about marriage, he is going to start wondering whether he wants half-Asian children and that means a lot of college Asian girlfriends are going to get swapped for white girls.
     
    Your conjecture is not borne out by intermarriage statistics.

    Like most traits, there is going to be a distribution of some kind regarding the percentage of white people who will want to wife East Asians and create hapas. Within a generation or two, those with opportunity and that predeliction are going to go that way. After those exogamous genes are boiled off, the endogamous genes are left.

    I went through that sort of calculus myself. I wanted children who look like me and behave like me. The idea of my children being a hybrid because (((media))) and (((academics))) desire it, makes me feel desolate and on the defensive, frankly. Heck, I might have once considered it if it was a novelty, but now it is common I see it as an attack on my ancestry and heritage – who I am.

    The Stranger within my gate,
    He may be true or kind,
    But he does not talk my talk–
    I cannot feel his mind.
    I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
    But not the soul behind.

    The men of my own stock,
    They may do ill or well,
    But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
    They are used to the lies I tell;
    And we do not need interpreters
    When we go to buy or sell.

    The Stranger within my gates,
    He may be evil or good,
    But I cannot tell what powers control–
    What reasons sway his mood;
    Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
    Shall repossess his blood.

    The men of my own stock,
    Bitter bad they may be,
    But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
    And see the things I see;
    And whatever I think of them and their likes
    They think of the likes of me.

    This was my father’s belief
    And this is also mine:
    Let the corn be all one sheaf–
    And the grapes be all one vine,
    Ere our children’s teeth are set on edge
    By bitter bread and wine.

    – Rudyard Kipling

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    [T]hat sort of calculus
     
    Love is love. Marry and cherish whom you love and have children with that person. The rest is noise.
  143. @Tyrion 2

    Maybe parental match-making isn’t such a bad idea?
     
    As far as I can tell, only about a third of young people have the necessary skills to find a suitable mate.

    The next third have the skills to find an unsuitable mate.

    The final third have no skills at all.

    Matchmaking is needed for the last third, preferable for the middle third and not a big loss for the top third.

    It need not be formal. Staying with some very high social status East Asians, one of the first things the older ladies ask is whether I am single or not. I'm not and they express strong disappointment.

    I imagine this is a simulated and for politeness version of their normal reaction. I am very far below their financial league. Though I suppose they may not know that. But it is indicative of how business minded clans know how to help guide their offspring.

    The West could learn a lot from this. Who you marry may be the most important decision in your life. Why are 20 somethings making that decision on their own? I trust the judgements of these extremely sharp-eyed old ladies far more than mine.

    The West could learn a lot from this. Who you marry may be the most important decision in your life. Why are 20 somethings making that decision on their own? I trust the judgements of these extremely sharp-eyed old ladies far more than mine.

    You nailed it.

  144. @Hallie Scott Kline
    Might’ve been a first-generation college student?

    Might’ve been a first-generation college student?

    It is unlikely. Sarah Jeong has mentioned that her parents came to the United States on student visas, and those are granted, overwhelmingly, to college students.

  145. @Anonymous
    Pictures or it didn't happen.

    It was in Jr. High, so pictures would be considered kiddie-porn.

  146. @Anonym
    Like most traits, there is going to be a distribution of some kind regarding the percentage of white people who will want to wife East Asians and create hapas. Within a generation or two, those with opportunity and that predeliction are going to go that way. After those exogamous genes are boiled off, the endogamous genes are left.

    I went through that sort of calculus myself. I wanted children who look like me and behave like me. The idea of my children being a hybrid because (((media))) and (((academics))) desire it, makes me feel desolate and on the defensive, frankly. Heck, I might have once considered it if it was a novelty, but now it is common I see it as an attack on my ancestry and heritage - who I am.

    The Stranger within my gate,
    He may be true or kind,
    But he does not talk my talk–
    I cannot feel his mind.
    I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
    But not the soul behind.

    The men of my own stock,
    They may do ill or well,
    But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
    They are used to the lies I tell;
    And we do not need interpreters
    When we go to buy or sell.

    The Stranger within my gates,
    He may be evil or good,
    But I cannot tell what powers control–
    What reasons sway his mood;
    Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
    Shall repossess his blood.

    The men of my own stock,
    Bitter bad they may be,
    But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
    And see the things I see;
    And whatever I think of them and their likes
    They think of the likes of me.

    This was my father’s belief
    And this is also mine:
    Let the corn be all one sheaf–
    And the grapes be all one vine,
    Ere our children’s teeth are set on edge
    By bitter bread and wine.

    – Rudyard Kipling
     

    [T]hat sort of calculus

    Love is love. Marry and cherish whom you love and have children with that person. The rest is noise.

    • Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double
    We put far too much emphasis on love these days.
  147. @Anonymous

    But once he gets a few years older and starts thinking about marriage, he is going to start wondering whether he wants half-Asian children and that means a lot of college Asian girlfriends are going to get swapped for white girls.

    Your conjecture is not borne out by intermarriage statistics.
     
    Yes, it is.

    https://i.imgur.com/ZqFLfpd.png

    54% of American-born Asian women who are married are married to non-Asians, mostly whites: http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/05/18/1-trends-and-patterns-in-intermarriage/

    And that’s including Indians who have very low outmarriage rates, meaning for others such as Koreans, that rate is higher still.

  148. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @babar
    I dated a Chinese girl for a short while who seemed to hate white people
    She was very ethnocentric
    She was always decrying the disparity between white male/Asian female couples and the opposite
    I asked her why she never dated Chinese guys . She said that they are geeky
    She was well-educated, but kinda ugly, had a flat personality and horrible in bed

    I didn't understand the dynamics going on but I bailed. And I came to realize that there is something substantially different between education and intelligence

    Mostly I had Japanese girls but a couple of Chinese back in my days of doing that sort of thing. The Japanese ones often liked to stay perfectly still and squeal a lot because that was what girls were supposed to do during sex, but sometimes they were quite active. The Chinese ones were just pretty lackluster lays.

    But the Japanese ones were Japanese Japanese and the Chinese ones were US born Chinese American, which may be the main difference.

  149. @Twinkie

    [T]hat sort of calculus
     
    Love is love. Marry and cherish whom you love and have children with that person. The rest is noise.

    We put far too much emphasis on love these days.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    We put far too much emphasis on love these days.
     
    On the contrary, there is too much me, me, me these days. Love is not about liking someone. Whether it is parental, filial, fraternal, romantic or, indeed, Agape, the common denominator of all love is sacrifice, the giving without expecting in return. When a man and a woman are in love and sacrifice for each other - The Gift of the Magi-style - it’s a most beautiful thing. We need more of that today, not less.
  150. @bucky
    For all the talk about "white genocide," East Asians truly are undergoing a cultural genocide in America. East Asians are unique vulnerable because of the humility culture of Confucianism, which basically teaches them to be deferential and to always blame themselves. Ms. Jeong has fully assimilated to the East Coast campus culture, you see. But the funny thing about it is that she really will never really get SJW respect. Asians will continue being lumped into "white privilege" by the SJW set.

    And East Asian women are the most highly desired on online dating sites. And their culture is being erased. And their status and their general behavior only accelerates their own erasure, leading to a fundamental alienation and derangement that creatures like Jeong exhibit.

    For all the talk about “white genocide,” East Asians truly are undergoing a cultural genocide in America.

    We’re all under threat, buddy. (((They))) want to rule over a global empire of atomized mystery meat with no sense of community or identity or history beyond whatever the current flavor of Hollywood and social media agitprop happens to be.

  151. @Reg Cæsar
    And why is her hair done up like an elderly Somaliman's beard?

    https://thephoenixofsomalia.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/red-beard.jpg

    She has made the Pilgrimage to SJW-Mecca?

  152. @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double
    We put far too much emphasis on love these days.

    We put far too much emphasis on love these days.

    On the contrary, there is too much me, me, me these days. Love is not about liking someone. Whether it is parental, filial, fraternal, romantic or, indeed, Agape, the common denominator of all love is sacrifice, the giving without expecting in return. When a man and a woman are in love and sacrifice for each other – The Gift of the Magi-style – it’s a most beautiful thing. We need more of that today, not less.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    "A woman means by Unselfishness chiefly taking trouble for others; a man means not giving trouble to others...thus, while the woman thinks of doing good offices and the man of respecting other people’s rights, each sex, without any obvious unreason, can and does regard the other as radically selfish."
    C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
    , @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    ...there is too much me, me, me these days.
     
    My point exactly. It’s all about the individual now, and the individual’s feelings, of which “love” lends itself most readily to abuse. Never any thought for honor, duty, responsibility to parents, family, tribe...
  153. @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro
    She once dated the illusive Haven Monahan in college.

    “Illusive” – I like that.

    Kind of a combination of elusive and illusionary, with subtle hints of elucidate and illustrative echoing through the mind’s ear . . .

  154. @Anonymous

    But once he gets a few years older and starts thinking about marriage, he is going to start wondering whether he wants half-Asian children and that means a lot of college Asian girlfriends are going to get swapped for white girls.

    Your conjecture is not borne out by intermarriage statistics.
     
    Yes, it is.

    https://i.imgur.com/ZqFLfpd.png

    What is interesting about this table is that you can get figures on how many Asian men are married and how many Asian women are married. 3,460,000 Asian women are married. 3111000 Asian men are married. Disparity about 10%

    This is actually less than what I expected.

  155. @Anonymous

    But once he gets a few years older and starts thinking about marriage, he is going to start wondering whether he wants half-Asian children and that means a lot of college Asian girlfriends are going to get swapped for white girls.

    Your conjecture is not borne out by intermarriage statistics.
     
    Yes, it is.

    https://i.imgur.com/ZqFLfpd.png

    That is tough to parse out because Asians are such a miniscule minority in America. But interestingly, twice as many Asian women marry white as Asian men marry white.

    Four times as many Asian women marry black and Asian men marry black.

    And something like 2.5x Black women marry white as black men marry white.

    There are many more blacks than Asians in America. Something like 37 million, vs 20 million Asians, though the number of East Asians from Korea, Taiwan, Japan, and China are likely lower. But all the same, 3x as many white-asian pairings as white-black pairings.

    Of course not all whites have asian gf’s in college and that is probably impossible to figure out. But the disparity in marriage rates is interesting indeed.

    Men tend to be more outgoing than women. You know of all the conquistadors in South America? All men? Who did they marry? How about women? Your statement may actually make sense in the case of women and who they prefer.

  156. @Twinkie

    We put far too much emphasis on love these days.
     
    On the contrary, there is too much me, me, me these days. Love is not about liking someone. Whether it is parental, filial, fraternal, romantic or, indeed, Agape, the common denominator of all love is sacrifice, the giving without expecting in return. When a man and a woman are in love and sacrifice for each other - The Gift of the Magi-style - it’s a most beautiful thing. We need more of that today, not less.

    “A woman means by Unselfishness chiefly taking trouble for others; a man means not giving trouble to others…thus, while the woman thinks of doing good offices and the man of respecting other people’s rights, each sex, without any obvious unreason, can and does regard the other as radically selfish.”
    C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    I prefer a simpler, Catholic version: a husband should sacrifice for his wife and family as Christ sacrificed for the Church and a wife should obey her husband as the Church obeyed Christ.

    Personally, I think wives get a much better deal here, and my wife agrees.
  157. @The Anti-Gnostic

    We won’t be silent about race. We won’t be silent about sexual orientation. We won’t be silent about immigrants rights. These are the very issues that define our identity as Americans.
     
    It's impressive to me how the ideological and rhetorical machinery of the Proposition Nation can pivot from "life, liberty, and property" to racial minorities and their authentic, down-wif-it minoritiness, sexual deviancy, and net tax-eaters who bring nothing to the table.

    In other words, we go from defining the nation by the values of its majority founding stock to defining it by its most marginal members. It's like saying some random schizo homeless personifies New York City instead of, say, Donald Trump.

    Of course, who saw that life, liberty, and property would encompass abortion, sex changes, gay marriage, welfare, Title VII, Title IX, and untrammeled entry into the United States. In retrospect, we all should have. The Proposition Nation can do no differently.

    “It’s impressive to me how the ideological and rhetorical machinery of the Proposition Nation can pivot from “life, liberty, and property” to racial minorities and their authentic, down-wif-it minoritiness, sexual deviancy, and net tax-eaters who bring nothing to the table.”

    That would be a false characterization. There is no other way to describe it.

    “In other words, we go from defining the nation by the values of its majority founding stock to defining it by its most marginal members.”

    Patently false. The reality is that we have defined, and will continue shape our definition, of our nation by the values of our citizens, past and present. There are no “marginal members” who are engaged in this process.

    “Of course, who saw that life, liberty, and property would encompass abortion, sex changes, gay marriage, welfare, Title VII, Title IX, and untrammeled entry into the United States.”

    The Founders, with their vision for Americans to chart their own path.

  158. @Twinkie

    We put far too much emphasis on love these days.
     
    On the contrary, there is too much me, me, me these days. Love is not about liking someone. Whether it is parental, filial, fraternal, romantic or, indeed, Agape, the common denominator of all love is sacrifice, the giving without expecting in return. When a man and a woman are in love and sacrifice for each other - The Gift of the Magi-style - it’s a most beautiful thing. We need more of that today, not less.

    …there is too much me, me, me these days.

    My point exactly. It’s all about the individual now, and the individual’s feelings, of which “love” lends itself most readily to abuse. Never any thought for honor, duty, responsibility to parents, family, tribe…

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    the individual’s feelings... Never any thought for honor, duty, responsibility to parents, family, tribe…
     
    It's not about "feelings." Sacrifice is not about whether it feels good or bad. When a woman and a man truly love each other, sacrifice for each other, and form a virtuous family, it's good for their parents and families. I don't know what you mean by a "tribe" here, but the same goes for their community and country.
  159. @Buster Keaton's Stunt Double
    That's half of the fun of it.

    That’s half of the fun of it.

    Well, that’s true. So are we going to debate theology over a cigarette while basking in the afterglow? Lol.

  160. @DH
    Feminism is essentially unique in being an ideology that makes no one happy.

    The Frankfurt School jews who created it and their followers are definitely happy.

    The Frankfurt School was between WWs I and II. How does this account for Mary Wollstonecraft, Amelia Jenks Bloomer, Lucretia Mott, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Susan B. Anthony, and the Pankhursts (especially Christabel, who was a man-hating lesbian before it was cool, but a class-conscious elitist after it stopped being cool)?

    BTW, the term feminism (orig. “féminisme”) is attributed to François Marie Charles Fourier, neither (AFAIK) female nor a Frankfurt Jew. He was, however, a Socialist.

  161. @Rosamond Vincy
    Her rant (on YouTube and worth watching, Btw) focused on the pill as used for ovarian cysts, endometriosis, fibroids, etc., rather than preventing micro-humans.

    It is, however, full of Special Pleading and Hearsay, both of which she, as a law student, knew perfectly well were inappropriate.

    Rosamond, thank you. Love the term micro-humans.

  162. @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    ...there is too much me, me, me these days.
     
    My point exactly. It’s all about the individual now, and the individual’s feelings, of which “love” lends itself most readily to abuse. Never any thought for honor, duty, responsibility to parents, family, tribe...

    the individual’s feelings… Never any thought for honor, duty, responsibility to parents, family, tribe…

    It’s not about “feelings.” Sacrifice is not about whether it feels good or bad. When a woman and a man truly love each other, sacrifice for each other, and form a virtuous family, it’s good for their parents and families. I don’t know what you mean by a “tribe” here, but the same goes for their community and country.

    • Replies: @Buster Keaton's Stunt Double

    It’s not about “feelings.” Sacrifice is not about whether it feels good or bad. When a woman and a man truly love each other, sacrifice for each other, and form a virtuous family, it’s good for their parents and families.
     
    You seem to be putting the cart before the horse here, justifying the modern, individualistic love/eros fixation by working backwards from the premise that it will be beneficial to everyone connected to the couple if (and as we're seeing more and more nowadays, that's quite an enormous "IF") these hormone-driven relationships hold up.

    I don’t know what you mean by a “tribe” here, but the same goes for their community and country.
     
    What Steve refers to as "extended family."
  163. @Rosamond Vincy
    "A woman means by Unselfishness chiefly taking trouble for others; a man means not giving trouble to others...thus, while the woman thinks of doing good offices and the man of respecting other people’s rights, each sex, without any obvious unreason, can and does regard the other as radically selfish."
    C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters

    I prefer a simpler, Catholic version: a husband should sacrifice for his wife and family as Christ sacrificed for the Church and a wife should obey her husband as the Church obeyed Christ.

    Personally, I think wives get a much better deal here, and my wife agrees.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    The missing section [the Enemy, to Screwtape, being God]:

    As a result, a woman who is quite far gone in the Enemy's service will make a nuisance of herself on a larger scale than any man except those whom Our Father has dominated completely: and, conversely, a man will live long in the Enemy's camp before he undertakes as much spontaneous work to please others as a quite ordinary woman may do every day.
     
  164. Anonymous[297] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Maybe parental match-making isn’t such a bad idea?
     
    As far as I can tell, only about a third of young people have the necessary skills to find a suitable mate.

    The next third have the skills to find an unsuitable mate.

    The final third have no skills at all.

    Matchmaking is needed for the last third, preferable for the middle third and not a big loss for the top third.

    It need not be formal. Staying with some very high social status East Asians, one of the first things the older ladies ask is whether I am single or not. I'm not and they express strong disappointment.

    I imagine this is a simulated and for politeness version of their normal reaction. I am very far below their financial league. Though I suppose they may not know that. But it is indicative of how business minded clans know how to help guide their offspring.

    The West could learn a lot from this. Who you marry may be the most important decision in your life. Why are 20 somethings making that decision on their own? I trust the judgements of these extremely sharp-eyed old ladies far more than mine.

    The self-centeredness of Western parents makes this problematic. Parents often don’t have their children’s best interests at heart. (The prevalence of divorce, single parenthood and step-parents aggravates the problem further.) The ‘cougar’ phenomenon of older women pursuing younger guys comes to mind. There’s also the male equivalent that doesn’t have a name. There used to be firm boundaries between parents and children, but everything’s unsettled now. Kids need to look out for their own interests, which may have to involve aggressively excluding their parents from their personal relationships.

  165. @Twinkie
    I prefer a simpler, Catholic version: a husband should sacrifice for his wife and family as Christ sacrificed for the Church and a wife should obey her husband as the Church obeyed Christ.

    Personally, I think wives get a much better deal here, and my wife agrees.

    The missing section [the Enemy, to Screwtape, being God]:

    As a result, a woman who is quite far gone in the Enemy’s service will make a nuisance of herself on a larger scale than any man except those whom Our Father has dominated completely: and, conversely, a man will live long in the Enemy’s camp before he undertakes as much spontaneous work to please others as a quite ordinary woman may do every day.

  166. @Twinkie

    the individual’s feelings... Never any thought for honor, duty, responsibility to parents, family, tribe…
     
    It's not about "feelings." Sacrifice is not about whether it feels good or bad. When a woman and a man truly love each other, sacrifice for each other, and form a virtuous family, it's good for their parents and families. I don't know what you mean by a "tribe" here, but the same goes for their community and country.

    It’s not about “feelings.” Sacrifice is not about whether it feels good or bad. When a woman and a man truly love each other, sacrifice for each other, and form a virtuous family, it’s good for their parents and families.

    You seem to be putting the cart before the horse here, justifying the modern, individualistic love/eros fixation by working backwards from the premise that it will be beneficial to everyone connected to the couple if (and as we’re seeing more and more nowadays, that’s quite an enormous “IF”) these hormone-driven relationships hold up.

    I don’t know what you mean by a “tribe” here, but the same goes for their community and country.

    What Steve refers to as “extended family.”

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