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From CBS News in Milwaukee:

Four Arrested in Chicago after Man Duct-Taped and Tortured on Facebook Live
Posted: Jan 04, 2017 3:28 PM PST

By Christie Green

(CBS CHICAGO) — Four people are in custody in Chicago after a live-streamed video was released of a duct-taped man allegedly being tortured on Chicago’s West Side.

In the video, the victim’s clothes were cut, he was peppered with cigarette ashes, and then his hair cut with a knife until his scalp bled.

Several people can be seen laughing and eating as the attack is going on. … The victim, who has special needs, was a high-risk missing person from northwest suburban Crystal Lake. …

From Fox 32 in Chicago:

Chicago Police: 4 in custody after man tied up, tortured on Facebook Live

POSTED:JAN 04 2017 04:58PM CST

FOX 32 NEWS – Investigators are looking into a Facebook Live video showing a group of people holding a young man hostage.

Chicago police told FOX 32 that four people are currently in custody.

Chicago police were made aware of this video Tuesday afternoon. A young African American woman streamed the video live on Facebook showing at least four people holding a young white man hostage.

The victim is repeatedly kicked and hit, his scalp is cut, all while he is tied up with his mouth taped shut. The suspects on the video can be heard yelling, “F*** Donald Trump! F*** white people!” …

FOX 32 was told the young man is now at a hospital being treated for his injuries.

Keep in mind that this could be a hoax or performance art or whatever.

Here’s the full video (NSFW).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfzvrCwjfLE

Or maybe here:

Conservative Treehouse and Live Leak are likely to have the video if it stops showing up here.

MisterLomez says:

weird that the anti-trump hate crimes are always caught on tape, and the pro-trump hate crimes never are.

must be a coincidence.

 
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  2. Randal says:

    Hate Nonhoax?

    Or perhaps a Nonhate Hoax, or even a Nonhate Nonhoax, since as we all know it’s only really “hate” if it’s white straight folks doing it to approved minorities and not if it’s done the other way round.

    Maybe if it turns out the victim was gay, or some other approved though white minority……

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    • Replies: @Thea
    He is special needs actually. But who cares about protecting them.
  3. Even if CBS had not dog-whistled the race of the perps by refusing to provide it, I’d still be guessing Negro underclass just because of the brutishly sadistic nature of the crime and its cowardly nature; four-on-one targeting an already vulnerable victim.

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    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    Agreed. Plus the boundless stupidity of live-streaming it to facebook.

    If it is "performance art" whoever made it didn't do so in service of The Narrative.
    , @MBlanc46
    "West Side" tells you all you need to know.
    , @TheJester
    I have a simple criterion for identifying the race of people committing crimes when the MSM refuses to do so (track record ... almost 100%):

    If it's mindless violence committed by more than one person, it's "Blacks behaving badly".
     
    Examples: Flash mobbing malls; shooting up parties; gunfights in public places; drive-by street shootings. For some reason, Whites who commit crimes tend to be isolated loners. Crime is apparently not a communal or group activity for them.
    , @anon

    Even if CBS had not dog-whistled the race of the perps by refusing to provide it, I’d still be guessing Negro underclass just because of the brutishly sadistic nature of the crime and its cowardly nature; four-on-one targeting an already vulnerable victim.
     
    Popular black social critic has a warning for white folks:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z_cTtTvbAc
  4. Randal says:

    OT (but interesting to you, I would have thought):

    Republicans voice disdain after Trump tweets support for Julian Assange

    I’m no blanket Trump-approver, but I think it’s usually fairly safe to assume he’s right when those opposing him on an issue are establishment Republican Party figures.

    Assange seems to be a bit of a difficult one for a lot of US sphere conservatives.

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    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Assange, Snowden, Manning, and Greenwald all deserve the Nobel Prize.
  5. TheBoom says:

    If it is a hoax, the white kid deserves an Oscar.

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  6. kihowi says:

    My prediction is that this is going to be a trend for a while. The media will gleefully report on it as instructions on what to do, then when it turns out this redpills too many people, suddenly going quiet.

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    • Replies: @Pericles
    But what if the special needs man had turned out to be a NYT journalist?
  7. Arclight says:

    Just pointing out the obvious, but if this happened with a black victim and white aggressors, we’d have protests in every major city, complete with lots of unauthorized shopping.

    Lots of lefty friends on Facebook after the election stated they were going to wear safety pins to signal to marginalized people that feel unsafe by Trump that they are allies. Seems like they misidentified the most likely victims of aggression.

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    • Replies: @AnotherGuessModel
    Just pointing out the obvious, but if this happened with a black victim and white aggressors, we’d have protests in every major city, complete with lots of unauthorized shopping.

    Yeah, but it would start a conversation.
    , @celt darnell
    Sometimes the obvious needs stating. Oh, and the victim is special needs, too. Just in case this needed to be any more vile.

    I would add that in your scenario, the major networks would play this video ad nauseam. We'd never hear the end of it -- it'd be shown in schools for the next thirty years.
    , @Lex Corvus
    I believe the term of art is "undocumented shopping."
  8. BenKenobi says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    Even if CBS had not dog-whistled the race of the perps by refusing to provide it, I'd still be guessing Negro underclass just because of the brutishly sadistic nature of the crime and its cowardly nature; four-on-one targeting an already vulnerable victim.

    Agreed. Plus the boundless stupidity of live-streaming it to facebook.

    If it is “performance art” whoever made it didn’t do so in service of The Narrative.

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  9. SIMPLE says:

    1. Why does CBS fail to give the race of the accused torturers? If it were white on black they would. Do.

    2. I wonder what “teen” means. Are these individuals all under 18, thus covered by some sort of juvenile secrecy? Or older?

    3. Here is a link that links to a FB video of the uploader, that is anti Trump. I am not on FaceBorg, so can’t view it. But if someone can link or embed it, so that I can view it, much appreciated.

    https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1547577

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "2. I wonder what “teen” means."

    When violent perpetrators are described as simply "teens" and nothing else by the mainstream media that is code for N Words. Avoid the "teen" neighborhoods of any major American city because those are the bad areas. Baltimore for example experienced major adult flight and now that city is a 3rd World shithole full of teens.

    Peter Pan lied to us. A predominantly youth and teen world is not a utopia.

  10. JerryC says:

    Torture performance art with a missing handicapped kid? That’s taking it to the next level. MacArthur Genius Grant?

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Jerry, if this wasn't tragic your comment would be even funnier. So maybe this is a new example of tragic-comedy. Grant approved.
  11. whorefinder says: • Website

    Amazing how this hasn’t blown up and become national news the way all the other hate hoaxes did.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    Amazingly BBC radio had it about #4 in the headlines of their radio news this am, complete with the details about toilet bowls and anti-white and anti-Trump insults.

    I'd be stunned if they put the video on TV news, but even the Guardian has woken up.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/04/facebook-live-stream-video-man-attacked-chicago-trump
  12. Anon says: • Website • Disclaimer
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    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    "This video has been removed for violating YouTube's policy on spam, deceptive practices, and scams."

    Italics added.

  13. scrivener3 says: • Website

    Assange and Snowden, heros. There is no need for these secret domestic spying operations or secret USG domestic operations. Think of how incompetent North Korea is, yet they have nukes and are safe from invasion and subjugation. Same for us. Government by the people cannot tollerate secerate operations by government.

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  14. Josh says:

    I wish they could still say retarded. I have no idea what “special needs” means.

    Kidnapping and torturing a retarded person is not funny. The glibness of some of the commenters here can be off-putting.

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  15. @Arclight
    Just pointing out the obvious, but if this happened with a black victim and white aggressors, we'd have protests in every major city, complete with lots of unauthorized shopping.

    Lots of lefty friends on Facebook after the election stated they were going to wear safety pins to signal to marginalized people that feel unsafe by Trump that they are allies. Seems like they misidentified the most likely victims of aggression.

    Just pointing out the obvious, but if this happened with a black victim and white aggressors, we’d have protests in every major city, complete with lots of unauthorized shopping.

    Yeah, but it would start a conversation.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    As Obama says, the important thing is to "structure a conversation."
  16. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Hoax or not, it has:

    – Suspects arrested.
    – Video of alleged attack.

    That makes it more credible than the Muslim girl’s hate hoax in NYC, which had neither (until she was arrested, for making a false report). That journalists I follow such as Catherine Rampell retweeted the report of the Muslim girl’s alleged attack despite it having no evidence, and haven’t, as yet, retweeted reports of this Chicago hate crime is evidence of The Narrative in action.

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  17. @AnotherGuessModel
    Just pointing out the obvious, but if this happened with a black victim and white aggressors, we’d have protests in every major city, complete with lots of unauthorized shopping.

    Yeah, but it would start a conversation.

    As Obama says, the important thing is to “structure a conversation.”

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    • Replies: @a Newsreader
    "structure a conversation"

    I wonder why he put it that way.

    Oh wait. No, I don't.
    , @Kylie
    "As Obama says, the important thing is to 'structure a conversation.'"

    "I have two daughters...."

    I'm not holding my breath.
  18. Kyle a says:

    Mayhem is a charge in California. Don’t know about Illinois. Severe charge though. Sets off many enhancers as far as sentencing goes. What a thrill it would be walking up on this while carrying your favorite firearm. Animals.

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  19. A fake video about someone being tortured wouldn’t be half an hour long, with 90% of it consisting of a teenage girl smoking a Swisher Sweet and reading her Facebook feed. Hoaxers don’t have that kind of discipline or creativity. They would make a video that was maybe 30 seconds long (five minutes absolute max) and it would contain a lot more action than we see here. This is legit.

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  20. @Randal
    OT (but interesting to you, I would have thought):

    Republicans voice disdain after Trump tweets support for Julian Assange

    I'm no blanket Trump-approver, but I think it's usually fairly safe to assume he's right when those opposing him on an issue are establishment Republican Party figures.

    Assange seems to be a bit of a difficult one for a lot of US sphere conservatives.

    Assange, Snowden, Manning, and Greenwald all deserve the Nobel Prize.

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    • Replies: @a Newsreader
    If this prevents a war with Russia, then yes.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Eli or Peyton?
    , @IHTG
    I learned from a recent liberal hit piece on him that Greenwald is a former (or is he?) immigration restrictionist.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Assange, Snowden, Manning, and Greenwald all deserve the Nobel Prize."

    I think that's a good idea. They deserve one. It would certainly help Assange and Snowden out.
    , @Randal

    Assange, Snowden, Manning, and Greenwald all deserve the Nobel Prize.
     
    I certainly agree they have all done very excellent work though I disapprove strongly of the latter two's lifestyle choices.

    Some interesting smear work against Assange recently. As they say, judge a man by his enemies:

    WikiLeaks threatens to sue CNN after ‘pedophile’ charge repeated on air
    , @guest
    I don't know about Manning or Greenwald, and less Greenwald than Manning. But the first two, yes.
  21. @Steve Sailer
    As Obama says, the important thing is to "structure a conversation."

    “structure a conversation”

    I wonder why he put it that way.

    Oh wait. No, I don’t.

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  22. @JohnnyWalker123
    Assange, Snowden, Manning, and Greenwald all deserve the Nobel Prize.

    If this prevents a war with Russia, then yes.

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  23. If this is legit, Trump should consider adopting this young victim like Obama did Trayvon.

    The casual cruelty and brazen stupidity of the “teens” making a video combined with the media’s selective indifference to it make it a powerful club just begging to be swung.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    No one cares, for the reason that it has been established in people's minds that Whites are morally blameworthy.
    , @Ivy
    Chicago has produced a few budding producers over the years. One genius filmed and distributed an attack on a gang rival and that led to his arrest. Short term memory and impulse control issues seem to factor in. Maybe Rahm can scrape together some midnight basketball funds from the pensions, oops, they're broke. Chicago is headed for more trouble.
    , @Anonymous
    I honestly wonder if the press (NYT is covering it, e.g.) will give this story some light precisely to head off Trump seeing it getting buried and doing something about it, because imagine the meltdown if he tweeted about it. How long it would take them to connect it to his "racist" Central Park Five ads?
  24. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Assange, Snowden, Manning, and Greenwald all deserve the Nobel Prize.

    Eli or Peyton?

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  25. IHTG says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Assange, Snowden, Manning, and Greenwald all deserve the Nobel Prize.

    I learned from a recent liberal hit piece on him that Greenwald is a former (or is he?) immigration restrictionist.

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    • Replies: @biz
    Over the years Greenwald has held every possible political opinion at one time or another, so probably.
  26. Zonie says:

    If the victim is “special needs” / mentally retarded, he is still less so than his attackers and that repulsive woman holding the phone.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "If the victim is “special needs” / mentally retarded, he is still less so than his attackers and that repulsive woman holding the phone."

    Blacks trump people with down syndrome/special needs in the vibrant diversity food chain.
  27. @Sandy Berger's Socks
    If this is legit, Trump should consider adopting this young victim like Obama did Trayvon.

    The casual cruelty and brazen stupidity of the "teens" making a video combined with the media's selective indifference to it make it a powerful club just begging to be swung.

    No one cares, for the reason that it has been established in people’s minds that Whites are morally blameworthy.

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  28. Think of the brazen stupidity of the person holding the phone/tablet/camera broadcasting to her friends. Think of how many crimes are shown in that 30 minute clip.

    No fear of jail. At all. Unbelievable.

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    • Replies: @Lot

    Think of the brazen stupidity of the person holding the phone/tablet/camera broadcasting to her friends. Think of how many crimes are shown in that 30 minute clip.

    No fear of jail. At all. Unbelievable.
     
    A rare case the Chicago PD solved. It helps when the victims livestream their crime on their own facebook pages. I think the thinner woman was saying something to the audience about supporting her rap album.

    They were caught because all of them were already in custody of crimes they committed later in the day.
    , @Lot

    No fear of jail. At all. Unbelievable.
     
    They were chatting with Facebook friends the whole time. At one point Brittany's little sister says "you're going to jail" at which point one of the men respond "fuck the police, shut up about that, i'll tie you up too."

    The same guy later tells the victim "I'm going put you in a truck, put a brick on the gas, and put you in the river."
  29. JerryC says:

    CPD says no evidence of hate crime. Big surprise there.

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    • Replies: @Dr. X

    CPD says no evidence of hate crime. Big surprise there.
     
    I guess that means the victim wasn't Jewish.
  30. I couldn’t see the video because YooToob has already taken it down because, YooToob claims, it “violates policy.”

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    • Replies: @wren
    It is featured at liveleak.

    http://liveleak.com/view?i=154_1483565133
    , @ben tillman

    I couldn’t see the video because YooToob has already taken it down because, YooToob claims, it “violates policy.”
     
    Not just "policy" but policy against "spam, deceptive practices, and scams".

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/01/04/four-chicago-thugs-arrested-for-kidnapping-torturing-white-trump-supporter-during-facebook-livestream/#more-126672
  31. I couldn’t see the video because YooToob has already taken it down because, YooToob claims, it “violates policy.”

    I’m sure you can find it at The Conservative Treehouse or somewhere like that.

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  32. Vinay says:

    Well, right-wing media won’t be too keen to make a big deal of this either. I kinda instinctively get why but can’t articulate it.

    Steve, can you explain why? For example, someone like you may link to the story but won’t really be moved to write passionate screeds about it. Nobody else on the right will either. Is it because the perpetrators are simply too sordid to stand in for some larger point?

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Honestly? I think we're numb to outrage at this point.

    Its probably the only way to continue to stay sane. I remember when I got mad at every new feminist screed or every crazy effort by BLM. Or when I nearly lost my job because people stalked me since I agreed with someone who said that traditional gender roles were a good thing. Or when I was doxxed and threatened again for "your company should know about how ignorant you are" because I refused to call a mentally ill man a woman.

    No other way to stay sane.
    , @Intelligent Dasein

    Is it because the perpetrators are simply too sordid to stand in for some larger point?
     
    It's because it's futile to expect to get a rise out of anyone. We all know these things happen, and we all know that everyone else knows that they happen, so it's not a matter of simply informing the uninformed. The Narrative does not permit public expressions of outrage directed at black people for acting black. It isn't that widespread belief in The Narrative is still prevalent; I gather that most people don't really believe it anymore. The Narrative is a dictated, enforced norm of behavior that bullies and brutalizes its opponents. The Narrative does the same thing to normal people as those thugs in the video are doing to the retarded guy. And those dwindling few people who do truly believe it are beyond all rational argument or emotional appeal. With them it's a case of, If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, neither will they listen if a man rises from the dead.

    Therefore, he who gets worked up about this despicable crime will be disappointed if he expects others to step forward and validate his emotional response. We've all been conditioned to believe that nothing will change, and so we don't do anything to change it, and so nothing ever does. However, these conditions will last only for so long. At some point a catalyst will come along and release all the oppressed anger and this incident may very well be it. It begins with individuals fighting back. The first time a White man knocks out his black would-be mugger and remains unapologetic about it, a sea change will sweep through our society. We just need an example to show us that we're not victims anymore. Then The Narrative will be as dead as communism in 1989.

    , @The Anti-Gnostic

    Is it because the perpetrators are simply too sordid to stand in for some larger point?
     
    I think so. The 120 IQ, verbal-weighted pundit cannot conceive, does not want to conceive, of the complete lack of introspection and time preference which is the normal frame of mind for a feral homo sapiens. "All men are created equal" is their Jonestown Kool-aid and they will slurp it up to the very end.
    , @Jefferson
    "Well, right-wing media won’t be too keen to make a big deal of this either."

    The Fox News Channel is giving a lot of airtime to this.
    , @CK
    Wrong adjective. Too normal is the proper descriptive adjective. There is no larger point. This is the normalcy ... this was not an outlier behaviour.
  33. wren says:
    @Auntie Analogue
    I couldn't see the video because YooToob has already taken it down because, YooToob claims, it "violates policy."

    It is featured at liveleak.

    http://liveleak.com/view?i=154_1483565133

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  34. MBlanc46 says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    Even if CBS had not dog-whistled the race of the perps by refusing to provide it, I'd still be guessing Negro underclass just because of the brutishly sadistic nature of the crime and its cowardly nature; four-on-one targeting an already vulnerable victim.

    “West Side” tells you all you need to know.

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  35. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    One fake news hate hoax from November that I think is very instructive in how this works is the murder of Hussain Saeed Alnahdi, a Saudi Exchange Student. When it looked like it was a white guy both the NYT and WaPo covered it, and talked about in terms of hate and racism. But the suspects turned out to be two black women, and basically the only media that covered this were local news stations and al-arabiya. So by the time the narrative collapse happened it was already shoved down the memory hole.

    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/gulf/2016/11/15/Persons-of-interest-named-in-murdered-Saudi-student-US-case.html

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    • Replies: @Bleuteaux
    What blows my mind just reading that... I'm from the general "area" and all you heard on Facebook for weeks was SJW talking points about racist white America. But you know what, I would be terrified to post this correction. It would be considered racist to point out that the SJW's were lying. "What, are you claiming this doesn't happen elsewhere by white people," etc.
  36. @JerryC
    Torture performance art with a missing handicapped kid? That's taking it to the next level. MacArthur Genius Grant?

    Jerry, if this wasn’t tragic your comment would be even funnier. So maybe this is a new example of tragic-comedy. Grant approved.

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  37. Ivy says:
    @Sandy Berger's Socks
    If this is legit, Trump should consider adopting this young victim like Obama did Trayvon.

    The casual cruelty and brazen stupidity of the "teens" making a video combined with the media's selective indifference to it make it a powerful club just begging to be swung.

    Chicago has produced a few budding producers over the years. One genius filmed and distributed an attack on a gang rival and that led to his arrest. Short term memory and impulse control issues seem to factor in. Maybe Rahm can scrape together some midnight basketball funds from the pensions, oops, they’re broke. Chicago is headed for more trouble.

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  38. @Auntie Analogue
    I couldn't see the video because YooToob has already taken it down because, YooToob claims, it "violates policy."

    I couldn’t see the video because YooToob has already taken it down because, YooToob claims, it “violates policy.”

    Not just “policy” but policy against “spam, deceptive practices, and scams”.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/01/04/four-chicago-thugs-arrested-for-kidnapping-torturing-white-trump-supporter-during-facebook-livestream/#more-126672

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  39. JohnnyD says:

    I’m sure Ta-Nehisi Coates has a good explanation for this.

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    • Replies: @celt darnell
    Yes: a white person rudely pushed his son once, so Whitey deserves it.
    , @Olorin
    Yeah, he got off an escalator once and this white lady looked at him.
  40. Mr. Anon says:

    “Keep in mind that this could be a hoax or performance art or whatever.”

    That was my inclination when I first saw a snippet of it. Live-streamed on FaceBook? Somehow that doesn’t sound right. If it showed up on World Star Hip-Hop, I’d be more inclined to believe it to be genuine.

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    • Replies: @Lurker
    Reading the Daily Mail I see some libtards are mounting a defence - it's Trump, he's created a climate of hate that's forced the perps to respond like this.

    Also note the second highest rated comment (from a libtard). This is a typical Daily Mail scam - they've added a ton of green arrows to it yet it's clearly deeply unpopular judging by it's replies and most of the other comments.

    It's a sure sign that something is amiss when the highest rated and lowest rated comments are effectively saying the same thing and almost every other comment says the opposite. Thats just not how these threads work when left to function normally and the DM does this a lot.

    I presume to this is to enrage commenters and generate more comments/votes. Many commenters believe that's it's bots, cheating etc but it has to be the DM doing it itself, Occam's razor and all that.

    (I've had it happen to me, I made a mildly unpopular comment and checked back later only to find I had acquired about 500 upvotes in the space of five minutes)
  41. Mr. Anon says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Assange, Snowden, Manning, and Greenwald all deserve the Nobel Prize.

    “Assange, Snowden, Manning, and Greenwald all deserve the Nobel Prize.”

    I think that’s a good idea. They deserve one. It would certainly help Assange and Snowden out.

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  42. Well, that didn’t take long. YouTube has removed the video: “This video has been removed for violating YouTube’s policy on spam, deceptive practices, and scams.”

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  43. Dr. X says:

    Four people are in custody in Chicago after a live-streamed video was released of a duct-taped man allegedly being tortured on Chicago’s West Side.

    It’s not that the cops are very smart… it’s that the criminals really are that stupid.

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  44. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    One of those advertised as the full video isn’t. It lacks the parts where they make him drink out of a toilet, and where they make him kiss the floor and say “I love black peepoe.”

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    • Replies: @ben tillman
    The "full video" is just the longest of a number of videos. There were 6 or 7 at the heavy.com link I provided.
  45. Dr. X says:
    @JerryC
    CPD says no evidence of hate crime. Big surprise there.

    CPD says no evidence of hate crime. Big surprise there.

    I guess that means the victim wasn’t Jewish.

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  46. Bleuteaux says:
    @Anonymous
    One fake news hate hoax from November that I think is very instructive in how this works is the murder of Hussain Saeed Alnahdi, a Saudi Exchange Student. When it looked like it was a white guy both the NYT and WaPo covered it, and talked about in terms of hate and racism. But the suspects turned out to be two black women, and basically the only media that covered this were local news stations and al-arabiya. So by the time the narrative collapse happened it was already shoved down the memory hole.

    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/gulf/2016/11/15/Persons-of-interest-named-in-murdered-Saudi-student-US-case.html

    What blows my mind just reading that… I’m from the general “area” and all you heard on Facebook for weeks was SJW talking points about racist white America. But you know what, I would be terrified to post this correction. It would be considered racist to point out that the SJW’s were lying. “What, are you claiming this doesn’t happen elsewhere by white people,” etc.

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  47. @Anonymous
    One of those advertised as the full video isn't. It lacks the parts where they make him drink out of a toilet, and where they make him kiss the floor and say "I love black peepoe."

    The “full video” is just the longest of a number of videos. There were 6 or 7 at the heavy.com link I provided.

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    • Replies: @Lot
    I am pretty sure that it is just the 30 minute video where the victim is tied up and gagged, plus two short ones where he is not, so three total. The shorter videos make it very clear he is severely retarded.

    http://www.liveleak.com/browse?q=Chicago&sort_by=date

    This isn't going away. The normally low-traffic vid.me site has 300,000 hits in less than 24 hours on this. Tucker is covering it heavily on Fox. CNN and local news is not going to resist this. It is the number #1 post in Twitter, with 28k comments and 71k upvotes (likely 400,000+ views). That is just the top post on this, many others in the top 10.

    Stories like this lend themselves to months of coverage, and it will not be hard for Trump to keep this in the news, directly by tweets or by having FBI and DOJ investigate.

    One MSM source says the kidnappers used the victim's phone to taunt his parents. Those text messages will come at at trial. If not the Chicago DA's trial, then Trump's DOJ's trial.
  48. @Arclight
    Just pointing out the obvious, but if this happened with a black victim and white aggressors, we'd have protests in every major city, complete with lots of unauthorized shopping.

    Lots of lefty friends on Facebook after the election stated they were going to wear safety pins to signal to marginalized people that feel unsafe by Trump that they are allies. Seems like they misidentified the most likely victims of aggression.

    Sometimes the obvious needs stating. Oh, and the victim is special needs, too. Just in case this needed to be any more vile.

    I would add that in your scenario, the major networks would play this video ad nauseam. We’d never hear the end of it — it’d be shown in schools for the next thirty years.

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    I bet Bill O'Reilly will cover it tomorrow if he didn't tonight; he's not perfect, but he has the courage and tbe pull to cover stuff like this.

    I also bet no other MSM outlet will.

  49. Big Bill says:

    Adult blacks will be inclined to minimize this. The black Chief of Police of Chicago called the perps “foolish”. Other black leaders will shake their heads and call them “knuckleheads”.

    You have to see it from the black perspective. It was loud. The kids were laughing and having fun. They were completely oblivious to the shock outsiders would feel. They didn’t plan to kill him, nor did they plan to hurt him. It just sort of happened, you know? “We was just sorta playin’ around, I guess. But we didn’t hurt him none. Maybe he got a little skeert, but that ain’t no big deal.”

    Think of these blacks as young, impulsive, low-IQ, inbred, semi-civilized urban hillbillies and you won’t be far from the truth. And that’s the way their own leaders look at them as well. That’s why it is so hard for their leaders to take a hard line. Their leaders KNOW they are mentally and morally defective through no fault of their own. It seems cruel and heartless to take a hard line and send them to prison like they were adults or something.

    And their leaders are correct. When dealing with impulsive, happy-go-lucky, excitable people, the best thing is not to hold them to higher standards (which they really cannot meet), but just to avoid them and segregate yourself and your loved ones.

    It was for this reason that Jim Crow was instituted. Not out of hatred, but as the only reasonable, tolerable way to accommodate black folks and live in a relatively friction-free bi-racial society.

    Jim Crow lets Negros be Negros and Whites be Whites.

    Frankly, I blame the suburban white parents who didn’t take care of their retarded son, not the perps. The perps don’t know any better and never will. In the South under Jim Crow, black youth would have known better than to load up some white retard in a van and have some fun with him.

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    • Replies: @Palerider1861
    Your view on Jim Crow laws is one few people outside the South understand. Segregation in general served to protect both races, and separate but equal is (or was) the only viable non-violent solution to the ongoing race problem.

    The Negro population in the US is around 13%, but accounts overall for more than 50% of murders and other violent felonies nationwide.

    Reality is a bitch, but it exists whether we wish to acknowledge it or not...carry concealed whenever possible, and stay alert to your surroundings at all times..is good advice, always.

    Jim Crow left town a long time ago, and he ain't returning anytime soon, unfortunately!
    , @TheJester
    From the Washington Post:

    Police declined to give the race of the attackers or the victim. In the video, the attackers appear black. The victim appears to be white.
     
    However, we know appearances can be deceptive. Regardless, when the police and Black apologists in Chicago start calling the perpetrators of a crime "foolish" or "knuckleheads", rest assured it was a Black-on-White crime ... and, as we know, Blacks who are "foolish knuckleheads" and post their Black-on-White crimes on Facebook are not bright enough to have committed hate crimes. QED
    , @Captain Tripps
    That's a reasonable, well-stated point of view.

    But you just made a back-door case for Jim Crow, AKA Apartheid. Therefore, you are Literally Hitler. Now go commit seppuku somewhere.

    , @Formerly CARealist
    Dang, do you really believe that? Sadism is okay if you're stupid and uncivilized? I'd want these perps to hang if it were another black gang criminal there were torturing. No society can function with people like this roaming about, segregated or not.

    I'm clinging to the hope that this is a hoax in some form.
  50. @Vinay
    Well, right-wing media won't be too keen to make a big deal of this either. I kinda instinctively get why but can't articulate it.

    Steve, can you explain why? For example, someone like you may link to the story but won't really be moved to write passionate screeds about it. Nobody else on the right will either. Is it because the perpetrators are simply too sordid to stand in for some larger point?

    Honestly? I think we’re numb to outrage at this point.

    Its probably the only way to continue to stay sane. I remember when I got mad at every new feminist screed or every crazy effort by BLM. Or when I nearly lost my job because people stalked me since I agreed with someone who said that traditional gender roles were a good thing. Or when I was doxxed and threatened again for “your company should know about how ignorant you are” because I refused to call a mentally ill man a woman.

    No other way to stay sane.

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  51. @JohnnyD
    I'm sure Ta-Nehisi Coates has a good explanation for this.

    Yes: a white person rudely pushed his son once, so Whitey deserves it.

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  52. @Vinay
    Well, right-wing media won't be too keen to make a big deal of this either. I kinda instinctively get why but can't articulate it.

    Steve, can you explain why? For example, someone like you may link to the story but won't really be moved to write passionate screeds about it. Nobody else on the right will either. Is it because the perpetrators are simply too sordid to stand in for some larger point?

    Is it because the perpetrators are simply too sordid to stand in for some larger point?

    It’s because it’s futile to expect to get a rise out of anyone. We all know these things happen, and we all know that everyone else knows that they happen, so it’s not a matter of simply informing the uninformed. The Narrative does not permit public expressions of outrage directed at black people for acting black. It isn’t that widespread belief in The Narrative is still prevalent; I gather that most people don’t really believe it anymore. The Narrative is a dictated, enforced norm of behavior that bullies and brutalizes its opponents. The Narrative does the same thing to normal people as those thugs in the video are doing to the retarded guy. And those dwindling few people who do truly believe it are beyond all rational argument or emotional appeal. With them it’s a case of, If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, neither will they listen if a man rises from the dead.

    Therefore, he who gets worked up about this despicable crime will be disappointed if he expects others to step forward and validate his emotional response. We’ve all been conditioned to believe that nothing will change, and so we don’t do anything to change it, and so nothing ever does. However, these conditions will last only for so long. At some point a catalyst will come along and release all the oppressed anger and this incident may very well be it. It begins with individuals fighting back. The first time a White man knocks out his black would-be mugger and remains unapologetic about it, a sea change will sweep through our society. We just need an example to show us that we’re not victims anymore. Then The Narrative will be as dead as communism in 1989.

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    The first time a White man knocks out his black would-be mugger and remains unapologetic about it, a sea change will sweep through our society. We just need an example to show us that we’re not victims anymore. Then The Narrative will be as dead as communism in 1989.
     
    Bernhard Goetz?
  53. @celt darnell
    Sometimes the obvious needs stating. Oh, and the victim is special needs, too. Just in case this needed to be any more vile.

    I would add that in your scenario, the major networks would play this video ad nauseam. We'd never hear the end of it -- it'd be shown in schools for the next thirty years.

    I bet Bill O’Reilly will cover it tomorrow if he didn’t tonight; he’s not perfect, but he has the courage and tbe pull to cover stuff like this.

    I also bet no other MSM outlet will.

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    From what I've heard, Tucker Carlson is the only MSM figure who has so far.
    , @ben tillman

    I also bet no other MSM outlet will.
     
    In this country, perhaps. But the Daily Mail was on it as of 8 pm EST.
    , @Lot

    I bet Bill O’Reilly will cover it tomorrow if he didn’t tonight; he’s not perfect, but he has the courage and tbe pull to cover stuff like this.

    I also bet no other MSM outlet will.
     
    No, this will be big, at least for a couple days.

    NYT wrote its own fairly accurate article and even included the phrase "anti-white." We might see that word scrubbed out in a later version.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/04/us/chicago-racially-charged-attack-video.html

    The police here were questioning four people on Wednesday as video circulated online showing a white teenager tied up and beaten as a group of young African-Americans shouted antiwhite messages and insulted President-elect Donald J. Trump.

    The police said the victim was an 18-year-old man from suburban Chicago who had “mental health challenges” and who had been reported missing. Officers spotted him on Tuesday in a violent neighborhood on Chicago’s West Side and recognized that he was in distress, the police said. They sought treatment for him at a hospital and connected the beating to four people who were taken into custody later that day near where the bloodied man had been found.

    A roughly 30-minute video clip shared widely online appeared to show a Facebook livestream of the assault. A group can be seen taunting and physically assaulting a man amid cursing and laughing. Much of the video focuses on one woman as she rambles, at times incoherently.

    The video begins with a shot of that woman before turning to the victim, who is seated in the corner of a room with his mouth covered. The woman laughs as two men cut the sleeve of the victim’s shirt. One of the men yells epithets about Mr. Trump and “white people.” Later, a man cuts a patch of hair from the victim’s head, appearing to draw blood in the process.

     

    , @ben tillman

    I bet Bill O’Reilly will cover it tomorrow if he didn’t tonight; he’s not perfect, but he has the courage and tbe pull to cover stuff like this.

    I also bet no other MSM outlet will.
     
    It was mentioned, and pictures of the perps were shown, in the opening salvo of news items on the Today show.
  54. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Is it because the perpetrators are simply too sordid to stand in for some larger point?
     
    It's because it's futile to expect to get a rise out of anyone. We all know these things happen, and we all know that everyone else knows that they happen, so it's not a matter of simply informing the uninformed. The Narrative does not permit public expressions of outrage directed at black people for acting black. It isn't that widespread belief in The Narrative is still prevalent; I gather that most people don't really believe it anymore. The Narrative is a dictated, enforced norm of behavior that bullies and brutalizes its opponents. The Narrative does the same thing to normal people as those thugs in the video are doing to the retarded guy. And those dwindling few people who do truly believe it are beyond all rational argument or emotional appeal. With them it's a case of, If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, neither will they listen if a man rises from the dead.

    Therefore, he who gets worked up about this despicable crime will be disappointed if he expects others to step forward and validate his emotional response. We've all been conditioned to believe that nothing will change, and so we don't do anything to change it, and so nothing ever does. However, these conditions will last only for so long. At some point a catalyst will come along and release all the oppressed anger and this incident may very well be it. It begins with individuals fighting back. The first time a White man knocks out his black would-be mugger and remains unapologetic about it, a sea change will sweep through our society. We just need an example to show us that we're not victims anymore. Then The Narrative will be as dead as communism in 1989.

    The first time a White man knocks out his black would-be mugger and remains unapologetic about it, a sea change will sweep through our society. We just need an example to show us that we’re not victims anymore. Then The Narrative will be as dead as communism in 1989.

    Bernhard Goetz?

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    Bernie Goetz wasn't in the right time frame to be a pivotal figure. As I said, right now The Narrative is like communism was in 1989. In Bernie's day, The Narrative still had many people convinced it was worth giving a try, i.e it was more like communism in 1965. On the other hand, the New York subway incident also took place against a backdrop of widespread frustration with black crime and a conservative shift in the American mood, so my comparison is rather inexact. Without trying to tie up all the loose ends, I'm only saying that certain problems are not destined to be solved except at certain times. It seems that the definitive struggle against SJW race-baiting has been appointed to our time, not Bernie's.
  55. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Autochthon
    I bet Bill O'Reilly will cover it tomorrow if he didn't tonight; he's not perfect, but he has the courage and tbe pull to cover stuff like this.

    I also bet no other MSM outlet will.

    From what I’ve heard, Tucker Carlson is the only MSM figure who has so far.

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    • Replies: @O'Really
    Megyn Kelly covered it on her show tonight. I wonder if she will do the same at NBC.
  56. @Vinay
    Well, right-wing media won't be too keen to make a big deal of this either. I kinda instinctively get why but can't articulate it.

    Steve, can you explain why? For example, someone like you may link to the story but won't really be moved to write passionate screeds about it. Nobody else on the right will either. Is it because the perpetrators are simply too sordid to stand in for some larger point?

    Is it because the perpetrators are simply too sordid to stand in for some larger point?

    I think so. The 120 IQ, verbal-weighted pundit cannot conceive, does not want to conceive, of the complete lack of introspection and time preference which is the normal frame of mind for a feral homo sapiens. “All men are created equal” is their Jonestown Kool-aid and they will slurp it up to the very end.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius

    The 120 IQ, verbal-weighted pundit cannot conceive, does not want to conceive, of the complete lack of introspection
     
    Well she should be able to conceive of that at least, since she shares it.
  57. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The black police chief thought it was stupidity rather than being a racial hate crime and avoided agreeing that it might be as such. Wonder what it takes for something to be called a hate crime when the victim is white or at least non-black? The media couldn’t ignore this video so they’ll be busy spinning it. A couple of Chicago television news stations seem to have their go-to black reverends that they constantly put on to decry all the violence and wring their hands about it in public. Those are the ‘responsible’ blacks that they showcase and they’ll be bringing them out in front of the cameras to say how horrible this is and that the world is going downhill and by the way we need more government programs; that is, stop the violence and send more money. Meanwhile, the majority of Chicago blacks probably think the video is a gas while they pass the herb around.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    "Wonder what it takes for something to be called a hate crime when the victim is white or at least non-black?"

    Well, in the UK four Somali girls can stamp on a woman's head shouting "kill the white slag", and it's not a hate crime, nor does it attract jail. That's reserved for serious offences like putting bacon on a mosque door handle.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8939276/Mercy-for-the-drunk-Muslim-girl-gang-who-attacked-woman.html

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2498913/man-jailed-for-leaving-bacon-sandwiches-outside-a-mosque-found-dead-in-prison-half-way-through-sentence/
    , @Jefferson
    There are already Blacks on CNN and MSNBC saying those Yoots tortured that special needs White kid because they don't have jobs and it has nothing to do with hatred of Whites.

    So open borders where Mexicans take fast food jobs away from the Black underclass causes them to take out their violent anger on White people instead of Mexicans.

    , @IA
    Yes, you are correct. "Poor impulse control" is part of the shakedown which even race-realist whites unwittingly fall for. The shakedown can also use the "at-risk youths" gambit to include mental illness. More federal money for consuling. In Washington, DC, and a couple of other US cities, they actually pay people not to KILL anyone again.

    Blacks, treasonous elites, and human rights advocates play socially insecure middle-class whites like Cortez with Aztecs.
  58. @Autochthon
    I bet Bill O'Reilly will cover it tomorrow if he didn't tonight; he's not perfect, but he has the courage and tbe pull to cover stuff like this.

    I also bet no other MSM outlet will.

    I also bet no other MSM outlet will.

    In this country, perhaps. But the Daily Mail was on it as of 8 pm EST.

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  59. Any chance of the media, academics and leftist ‘commentators’ accepting responsibility for the anti-white racism they aggravated with their unhinged and false description of trump as a racist?

    Didn’t think so.

    The current narrative and its defenders-promoters really are despicable.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Any chance of the media, academics and leftist ‘commentators’ accepting responsibility for the anti-white racism they aggravated with their unhinged and false description of trump as a racist?
     
    We should probably think up a way for them to save face if they decide to.

    Just in case.
  60. @Anonymous

    The first time a White man knocks out his black would-be mugger and remains unapologetic about it, a sea change will sweep through our society. We just need an example to show us that we’re not victims anymore. Then The Narrative will be as dead as communism in 1989.
     
    Bernhard Goetz?

    Bernie Goetz wasn’t in the right time frame to be a pivotal figure. As I said, right now The Narrative is like communism was in 1989. In Bernie’s day, The Narrative still had many people convinced it was worth giving a try, i.e it was more like communism in 1965. On the other hand, the New York subway incident also took place against a backdrop of widespread frustration with black crime and a conservative shift in the American mood, so my comparison is rather inexact. Without trying to tie up all the loose ends, I’m only saying that certain problems are not destined to be solved except at certain times. It seems that the definitive struggle against SJW race-baiting has been appointed to our time, not Bernie’s.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Yeah, Bernie Goetz was a little early. That was 1984, before the Central Park Jogger, Tawana Brawley, Bonfire of the Vanities, the Dinkins era pogrom, etc. Bernie has claimed his actions raised awareness of the urban crime problem, which is probably true.

    Bigger picture, you had the explosion in crime in the '60s, which Steve has written about, with cultural echoes starting in the '70s (Death Wish, etc.). Then the crack epidemic in the early '80s. By the early '90s, New York City at least had a lid on everything, with broken windows policing and stop & frisk, and Clinton enacted some tough-on-crime laws at the federal level later.

    More recently, we've backslid nationally with the Ferguson Effect. But now we're about to swap Obama and Lynch for Trump and Sessions. We might end up with an anti-Ferguson Effect. Expect the next Bernie Goetz/George Zimmerman to get a different treatment.
  61. Whiskey says: • Website

    Yes this is typical of most ghetto dwelling young Black men and women. In general attitudes and anti-White hate if not action.

    It is time for Whites to stop the BS and start calling out Black people for this — and assign group responsibility; here’s your anti-White hate crime today to match slavery 150 years ago.

    Yes “youths” have low IQ and even lower levels of responsibility. So does Dylan Roof. I don’t see any reason at all to cut either any slack. We must demand lengthy prison terms and hate crime penalties to deter future attacks, and get up in Black people’s faces as Obama once put it, to put them on the defensive.

    If you’re not attacking, your defending. Welcome to the reality of multi racial, multicultural America. Where group identity and rights and being on the attack are mandatory to not be on the defense all the time.

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    Yes “youths” have low IQ and even lower levels of responsibility. So does Dylan Roof. I don’t see any reason at all to cut either any slack. We must demand lengthy prison terms and hate crime penalties to deter future attacks, and get up in Black people’s faces as Obama once put it, to put them on the defensive.
     
    I agree with your sense of equity and that the enemies of order need to be taught conspicuous lessons, but I doubt that deterrence is a realistic goal in most crimes perpetrated by low IQ blacks, although it may work better with their more far-sighted bretheren.

    I used to be of the opinion that many violent blacks simply didn't care about going to prison, that they "got to hang with the homies" and be in an environment where they were in the upper social stratum. But with more reading and experience, I've come to think many of these perps don't understand, in any meaningful way, that prison is even a possible outcome. They would mostly take strenuous action to avoid it if they understood the risk, but you can't dodge what you can't see.

    Still, we should proceed as if deterrence were possible.

  62. Dan Hayes says:

    ben Tillman:

    Yes, as usual, the Daily Mail can be depended to report what our own undependable MSM fails to report!

    The DM is a credit to tabloid journalism.

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  63. O'Really says:
    @Anonymous
    From what I've heard, Tucker Carlson is the only MSM figure who has so far.

    Megyn Kelly covered it on her show tonight. I wonder if she will do the same at NBC.

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  64. A country in Africa needs to be invaded for this. If we would survive, we must learn to mete out collective punishment where appropriate.

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    Somewhat OT: Your idea (invading an African nation to mete out collective punishment) makes me realise a big mistake of recent administrations has been retributive invasions rather than mere retributive attacks.

    Whenever some savage harmed Americans on his watch, Ronald Reagan took action to mete out justice and make it clear there was more where that came from, but he didn't commit us to the morass of invasions and occupations more recent leaders have. When Khadaffi's Libyans murdered Americans in Berlin? We lit them up with some special gifts delivered via hornets. Noriega's narcotraficantes sowing death and mayhem for Americans in Miami? The marines hauled his ass out of bed with an early wake up call and he wound up with a nice comfortable cell to sleep in from then on. And so on. But none of this foolish nonsense about liberating Libyans or Panamanians or whomever. No occupations. No entanglements. Look, if someone punches you in the face, you beat his ass. Maybe you just hit him one good sock harder to make your point. Maybe you lay him out altogether. Then you eall awayand go abot your business. In any event you don't beat him but then follow him home and move into his house to teach him the error of his violent ways. It makes no damned sense interpersonally, and it makes no damned sense internationally. Hell, MacArthur spent less time mopping up in Japan than we've now spent in Iraq....

  65. @The Anti-Gnostic

    Is it because the perpetrators are simply too sordid to stand in for some larger point?
     
    I think so. The 120 IQ, verbal-weighted pundit cannot conceive, does not want to conceive, of the complete lack of introspection and time preference which is the normal frame of mind for a feral homo sapiens. "All men are created equal" is their Jonestown Kool-aid and they will slurp it up to the very end.

    The 120 IQ, verbal-weighted pundit cannot conceive, does not want to conceive, of the complete lack of introspection

    Well she should be able to conceive of that at least, since she shares it.

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    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2762790/

    Let me know when she is introspective about her genetics, then we'll talk.
  66. @Stebbing Heuer
    Any chance of the media, academics and leftist 'commentators' accepting responsibility for the anti-white racism they aggravated with their unhinged and false description of trump as a racist?

    Didn't think so.

    The current narrative and its defenders-promoters really are despicable.

    Any chance of the media, academics and leftist ‘commentators’ accepting responsibility for the anti-white racism they aggravated with their unhinged and false description of trump as a racist?

    We should probably think up a way for them to save face if they decide to.

    Just in case.

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  67. Olorin says:
    @JohnnyD
    I'm sure Ta-Nehisi Coates has a good explanation for this.

    Yeah, he got off an escalator once and this white lady looked at him.

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  68. Lot says:
    @tformation
    Think of the brazen stupidity of the person holding the phone/tablet/camera broadcasting to her friends. Think of how many crimes are shown in that 30 minute clip.

    No fear of jail. At all. Unbelievable.

    Think of the brazen stupidity of the person holding the phone/tablet/camera broadcasting to her friends. Think of how many crimes are shown in that 30 minute clip.

    No fear of jail. At all. Unbelievable.

    A rare case the Chicago PD solved. It helps when the victims livestream their crime on their own facebook pages. I think the thinner woman was saying something to the audience about supporting her rap album.

    They were caught because all of them were already in custody of crimes they committed later in the day.

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    I'm curious what the overall effect of social media on crime is.

    On the one hand, the ability to show off to so many probably encourages some crime, but on the other hand, it's got to put more criminals in jail. The perps in this Chicago case would likely have gotten away with this otherwise, as the retarded victim seemed incapable of telling the police what happened, let alone testifying.
  69. Olorin says:
    @Desiderius

    The 120 IQ, verbal-weighted pundit cannot conceive, does not want to conceive, of the complete lack of introspection
     
    Well she should be able to conceive of that at least, since she shares it.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2762790/

    Let me know when she is introspective about her genetics, then we’ll talk.

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  70. Lot says:
    @ben tillman
    The "full video" is just the longest of a number of videos. There were 6 or 7 at the heavy.com link I provided.

    I am pretty sure that it is just the 30 minute video where the victim is tied up and gagged, plus two short ones where he is not, so three total. The shorter videos make it very clear he is severely retarded.

    http://www.liveleak.com/browse?q=Chicago&sort_by=date

    This isn’t going away. The normally low-traffic vid.me site has 300,000 hits in less than 24 hours on this. Tucker is covering it heavily on Fox. CNN and local news is not going to resist this. It is the number #1 post in Twitter, with 28k comments and 71k upvotes (likely 400,000+ views). That is just the top post on this, many others in the top 10.

    Stories like this lend themselves to months of coverage, and it will not be hard for Trump to keep this in the news, directly by tweets or by having FBI and DOJ investigate.

    One MSM source says the kidnappers used the victim’s phone to taunt his parents. Those text messages will come at at trial. If not the Chicago DA’s trial, then Trump’s DOJ’s trial.

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  71. Lot says:
    @tformation
    Think of the brazen stupidity of the person holding the phone/tablet/camera broadcasting to her friends. Think of how many crimes are shown in that 30 minute clip.

    No fear of jail. At all. Unbelievable.

    No fear of jail. At all. Unbelievable.

    They were chatting with Facebook friends the whole time. At one point Brittany’s little sister says “you’re going to jail” at which point one of the men respond “fuck the police, shut up about that, i’ll tie you up too.”

    The same guy later tells the victim “I’m going put you in a truck, put a brick on the gas, and put you in the river.”

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  72. Lot says:
    @Autochthon
    I bet Bill O'Reilly will cover it tomorrow if he didn't tonight; he's not perfect, but he has the courage and tbe pull to cover stuff like this.

    I also bet no other MSM outlet will.

    I bet Bill O’Reilly will cover it tomorrow if he didn’t tonight; he’s not perfect, but he has the courage and tbe pull to cover stuff like this.

    I also bet no other MSM outlet will.

    No, this will be big, at least for a couple days.

    NYT wrote its own fairly accurate article and even included the phrase “anti-white.” We might see that word scrubbed out in a later version.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/04/us/chicago-racially-charged-attack-video.html

    The police here were questioning four people on Wednesday as video circulated online showing a white teenager tied up and beaten as a group of young African-Americans shouted antiwhite messages and insulted President-elect Donald J. Trump.

    The police said the victim was an 18-year-old man from suburban Chicago who had “mental health challenges” and who had been reported missing. Officers spotted him on Tuesday in a violent neighborhood on Chicago’s West Side and recognized that he was in distress, the police said. They sought treatment for him at a hospital and connected the beating to four people who were taken into custody later that day near where the bloodied man had been found.

    A roughly 30-minute video clip shared widely online appeared to show a Facebook livestream of the assault. A group can be seen taunting and physically assaulting a man amid cursing and laughing. Much of the video focuses on one woman as she rambles, at times incoherently.

    The video begins with a shot of that woman before turning to the victim, who is seated in the corner of a room with his mouth covered. The woman laughs as two men cut the sleeve of the victim’s shirt. One of the men yells epithets about Mr. Trump and “white people.” Later, a man cuts a patch of hair from the victim’s head, appearing to draw blood in the process.

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    It bodes well. It would be good for Mr. Trump to visit the young man who was attacked to express condolences and for him to have the DOJ prosecute the savages for federal hate crimes. Just as the senate's so-called nuclear option can now be very helpful to the new Republican legislature and executive, so too can all these stupid "hate crime" laws passed by leftists to persecute white people. What's sauce for the goose....
  73. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

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  74. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Intelligent Dasein
    Bernie Goetz wasn't in the right time frame to be a pivotal figure. As I said, right now The Narrative is like communism was in 1989. In Bernie's day, The Narrative still had many people convinced it was worth giving a try, i.e it was more like communism in 1965. On the other hand, the New York subway incident also took place against a backdrop of widespread frustration with black crime and a conservative shift in the American mood, so my comparison is rather inexact. Without trying to tie up all the loose ends, I'm only saying that certain problems are not destined to be solved except at certain times. It seems that the definitive struggle against SJW race-baiting has been appointed to our time, not Bernie's.

    Yeah, Bernie Goetz was a little early. That was 1984, before the Central Park Jogger, Tawana Brawley, Bonfire of the Vanities, the Dinkins era pogrom, etc. Bernie has claimed his actions raised awareness of the urban crime problem, which is probably true.

    Bigger picture, you had the explosion in crime in the ’60s, which Steve has written about, with cultural echoes starting in the ’70s (Death Wish, etc.). Then the crack epidemic in the early ’80s. By the early ’90s, New York City at least had a lid on everything, with broken windows policing and stop & frisk, and Clinton enacted some tough-on-crime laws at the federal level later.

    More recently, we’ve backslid nationally with the Ferguson Effect. But now we’re about to swap Obama and Lynch for Trump and Sessions. We might end up with an anti-Ferguson Effect. Expect the next Bernie Goetz/George Zimmerman to get a different treatment.

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  75. @whorefinder
    Amazing how this hasn't blown up and become national news the way all the other hate hoaxes did.

    Amazingly BBC radio had it about #4 in the headlines of their radio news this am, complete with the details about toilet bowls and anti-white and anti-Trump insults.

    I’d be stunned if they put the video on TV news, but even the Guardian has woken up.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/04/facebook-live-stream-video-man-attacked-chicago-trump

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    #3 on BBC News right now: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38514759

    And Slate with the gory details too: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/01/04/four_arrested_for_torturing_mentally_disabled_man_broadcast_on_facebook.html

  76. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Lot

    Think of the brazen stupidity of the person holding the phone/tablet/camera broadcasting to her friends. Think of how many crimes are shown in that 30 minute clip.

    No fear of jail. At all. Unbelievable.
     
    A rare case the Chicago PD solved. It helps when the victims livestream their crime on their own facebook pages. I think the thinner woman was saying something to the audience about supporting her rap album.

    They were caught because all of them were already in custody of crimes they committed later in the day.

    I’m curious what the overall effect of social media on crime is.

    On the one hand, the ability to show off to so many probably encourages some crime, but on the other hand, it’s got to put more criminals in jail. The perps in this Chicago case would likely have gotten away with this otherwise, as the retarded victim seemed incapable of telling the police what happened, let alone testifying.

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    • Replies: @Lot
    I think social media is very anti-crime. There is the first reason that it makes criminals easy to catch because they are stupid and leave trails of evidence. Things like threats against the victim, or photos of stolen property. And here and there actual admissions of the crime. It also gives a good idea of who the crook's associates are, conveniently with photos and often real names.

    But the larger reason is that all young people, including the criminal demographics, spend so much time glued to screens they have less time to be bored and commit crime. It also makes them fatter and reduces their testosterone.

    We saw in the big NZ study Steve blogged a while ago that even controlling for many, many other factors, the obese commit less crime than the normals and thins. To take this example, three of the kidnappers were quite thin, one looked normal or slightly overweight.

    , @william munny
    You nailed the two sides here. In total though, I think social media slightly increases these types of crimes but also results in a lot more punishment for a host of other crimes. Not only as proof of an actual crime, since gangstas seem incapable of resisting bragging about their exploits. More importantly, youtube, facebook, and other social media videos are now used frequently in prosecutions as direct evidence and in linking together people in conspiracies as part of the same gang. I have seen it used to show who went to a party or funeral, as proof that people are flashing gang signs and singing and rapping together, and even as mundane a fact as that a person was in fact present in the city that day, destroying an alibi. The level of documentation these videos provide can be stunning, as most people are busy working all day and could not imagine broadcasting hours worth of nonsense a day. It is free surveillance. The cops have been using these for years now, so the gangstas know it, but keep doing it anyway. Just like how every cop and lawyer will tell you they laugh when they hear a wiretapped conversation where the speakers talk about how dumb so-and-so is for discussing crime over the phone, and then proceed to discuss crime over the phone. Wiretaps are expensive, but watching voluntarily posted videos is not. Even the smarter guys can't get their girlfriends to give up the hobby.
  77. @anonymous
    The black police chief thought it was stupidity rather than being a racial hate crime and avoided agreeing that it might be as such. Wonder what it takes for something to be called a hate crime when the victim is white or at least non-black? The media couldn't ignore this video so they'll be busy spinning it. A couple of Chicago television news stations seem to have their go-to black reverends that they constantly put on to decry all the violence and wring their hands about it in public. Those are the 'responsible' blacks that they showcase and they'll be bringing them out in front of the cameras to say how horrible this is and that the world is going downhill and by the way we need more government programs; that is, stop the violence and send more money. Meanwhile, the majority of Chicago blacks probably think the video is a gas while they pass the herb around.

    “Wonder what it takes for something to be called a hate crime when the victim is white or at least non-black?”

    Well, in the UK four Somali girls can stamp on a woman’s head shouting “kill the white slag”, and it’s not a hate crime, nor does it attract jail. That’s reserved for serious offences like putting bacon on a mosque door handle.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8939276/Mercy-for-the-drunk-Muslim-girl-gang-who-attacked-woman.html

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2498913/man-jailed-for-leaving-bacon-sandwiches-outside-a-mosque-found-dead-in-prison-half-way-through-sentence/

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    • Replies: @Kurt van Ghoye
    Effectively a death sentence for offending the religious sensibilities of a hostile subpopulation. Sends a pretty strong message to the genpop toiling in the satanic mills of multiculturalism in Old Blighty.
  78. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous Nephew
    Amazingly BBC radio had it about #4 in the headlines of their radio news this am, complete with the details about toilet bowls and anti-white and anti-Trump insults.

    I'd be stunned if they put the video on TV news, but even the Guardian has woken up.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/04/facebook-live-stream-video-man-attacked-chicago-trump
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  79. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Sandy Berger's Socks
    If this is legit, Trump should consider adopting this young victim like Obama did Trayvon.

    The casual cruelty and brazen stupidity of the "teens" making a video combined with the media's selective indifference to it make it a powerful club just begging to be swung.

    I honestly wonder if the press (NYT is covering it, e.g.) will give this story some light precisely to head off Trump seeing it getting buried and doing something about it, because imagine the meltdown if he tweeted about it. How long it would take them to connect it to his “racist” Central Park Five ads?

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  80. Lurker says:
    @Mr. Anon
    "Keep in mind that this could be a hoax or performance art or whatever."

    That was my inclination when I first saw a snippet of it. Live-streamed on FaceBook? Somehow that doesn't sound right. If it showed up on World Star Hip-Hop, I'd be more inclined to believe it to be genuine.

    Reading the Daily Mail I see some libtards are mounting a defence – it’s Trump, he’s created a climate of hate that’s forced the perps to respond like this.

    Also note the second highest rated comment (from a libtard). This is a typical Daily Mail scam – they’ve added a ton of green arrows to it yet it’s clearly deeply unpopular judging by it’s replies and most of the other comments.

    It’s a sure sign that something is amiss when the highest rated and lowest rated comments are effectively saying the same thing and almost every other comment says the opposite. Thats just not how these threads work when left to function normally and the DM does this a lot.

    I presume to this is to enrage commenters and generate more comments/votes. Many commenters believe that’s it’s bots, cheating etc but it has to be the DM doing it itself, Occam’s razor and all that.

    (I’ve had it happen to me, I made a mildly unpopular comment and checked back later only to find I had acquired about 500 upvotes in the space of five minutes)

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    • Replies: @Lot
    If you think the Mail is going soft, the Express takes a much harder line, though it is more Europe focused. Here's a link that combines US and Europe coverage rather than lots of UK stuff and gossip:

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world

    It is kind of shocking to see a daily paper so focused on migrant crime and disorder. While the Mail is like an improved NY Post, there is nothing like the Express here.

    I like the Knight with St. George Cross on the logo.
  81. Lot says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    I'm curious what the overall effect of social media on crime is.

    On the one hand, the ability to show off to so many probably encourages some crime, but on the other hand, it's got to put more criminals in jail. The perps in this Chicago case would likely have gotten away with this otherwise, as the retarded victim seemed incapable of telling the police what happened, let alone testifying.

    I think social media is very anti-crime. There is the first reason that it makes criminals easy to catch because they are stupid and leave trails of evidence. Things like threats against the victim, or photos of stolen property. And here and there actual admissions of the crime. It also gives a good idea of who the crook’s associates are, conveniently with photos and often real names.

    But the larger reason is that all young people, including the criminal demographics, spend so much time glued to screens they have less time to be bored and commit crime. It also makes them fatter and reduces their testosterone.

    We saw in the big NZ study Steve blogged a while ago that even controlling for many, many other factors, the obese commit less crime than the normals and thins. To take this example, three of the kidnappers were quite thin, one looked normal or slightly overweight.

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    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    As I often have occasion to say here at iSteve, this is something I haven't seen covered elsewhere...

    I have to believe that there is some kind of reduction in traditional US urban crime due to smart phones, etc. Specifically, I have recently seen many urban situations that I would have considered to be dangerous in the past due to the volatile mix of ethnicities including thuggish demographic profiles. Yet everyone is glued to their screens and sort of ... "sedated" is the most accurate word I can think of. Had these people not had their digital binkies, they would have been turning their attention on each other to sate their need for "entertainment", and that would have involved misdemeanors escalating to felonies if the police don't arrive in time. But in the era of ubiquitous prolefeed, it's all heads down, eyes glued to screens.

  82. Lot says:
    @Lurker
    Reading the Daily Mail I see some libtards are mounting a defence - it's Trump, he's created a climate of hate that's forced the perps to respond like this.

    Also note the second highest rated comment (from a libtard). This is a typical Daily Mail scam - they've added a ton of green arrows to it yet it's clearly deeply unpopular judging by it's replies and most of the other comments.

    It's a sure sign that something is amiss when the highest rated and lowest rated comments are effectively saying the same thing and almost every other comment says the opposite. Thats just not how these threads work when left to function normally and the DM does this a lot.

    I presume to this is to enrage commenters and generate more comments/votes. Many commenters believe that's it's bots, cheating etc but it has to be the DM doing it itself, Occam's razor and all that.

    (I've had it happen to me, I made a mildly unpopular comment and checked back later only to find I had acquired about 500 upvotes in the space of five minutes)

    If you think the Mail is going soft, the Express takes a much harder line, though it is more Europe focused. Here’s a link that combines US and Europe coverage rather than lots of UK stuff and gossip:

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world

    It is kind of shocking to see a daily paper so focused on migrant crime and disorder. While the Mail is like an improved NY Post, there is nothing like the Express here.

    I like the Knight with St. George Cross on the logo.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    The Express is owned by Richard Desmond, who made his early fortune providing something for which there was a demand, but which was disapproved of in polite British society - hence titles like Asian Babes and Big Ones.

    He's doing the same now, having obviously spotted that the angry Brit demographic is woefully underserved.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Desmond

    (Interestingly, the Express rarely gets attacked by the left/Guardian/BBC the way the Mail and Sun do)

    On hoax topics, in the Guardian "the story behind the burning of Hopewell Missionary Baptist church takes an unexpected turn – and prompts some difficult conversations about race relations"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2017/jan/04/mississippi-black-church-burned-vote-trump-race

    Not unexpected to iSteve readers.

  83. Jefferson says:
    @SIMPLE
    1. Why does CBS fail to give the race of the accused torturers? If it were white on black they would. Do.

    2. I wonder what "teen" means. Are these individuals all under 18, thus covered by some sort of juvenile secrecy? Or older?

    3. Here is a link that links to a FB video of the uploader, that is anti Trump. I am not on FaceBorg, so can't view it. But if someone can link or embed it, so that I can view it, much appreciated.

    https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1547577

    “2. I wonder what “teen” means.”

    When violent perpetrators are described as simply “teens” and nothing else by the mainstream media that is code for N Words. Avoid the “teen” neighborhoods of any major American city because those are the bad areas. Baltimore for example experienced major adult flight and now that city is a 3rd World shithole full of teens.

    Peter Pan lied to us. A predominantly youth and teen world is not a utopia.

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  84. @Anon
    the vid (with profanity):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfzvrCwjfLE

    “This video has been removed for violating YouTube’s policy on spam, deceptive practices, and scams.”

    Italics added.

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  85. @Dave Pinsen
    I'm curious what the overall effect of social media on crime is.

    On the one hand, the ability to show off to so many probably encourages some crime, but on the other hand, it's got to put more criminals in jail. The perps in this Chicago case would likely have gotten away with this otherwise, as the retarded victim seemed incapable of telling the police what happened, let alone testifying.

    You nailed the two sides here. In total though, I think social media slightly increases these types of crimes but also results in a lot more punishment for a host of other crimes. Not only as proof of an actual crime, since gangstas seem incapable of resisting bragging about their exploits. More importantly, youtube, facebook, and other social media videos are now used frequently in prosecutions as direct evidence and in linking together people in conspiracies as part of the same gang. I have seen it used to show who went to a party or funeral, as proof that people are flashing gang signs and singing and rapping together, and even as mundane a fact as that a person was in fact present in the city that day, destroying an alibi. The level of documentation these videos provide can be stunning, as most people are busy working all day and could not imagine broadcasting hours worth of nonsense a day. It is free surveillance. The cops have been using these for years now, so the gangstas know it, but keep doing it anyway. Just like how every cop and lawyer will tell you they laugh when they hear a wiretapped conversation where the speakers talk about how dumb so-and-so is for discussing crime over the phone, and then proceed to discuss crime over the phone. Wiretaps are expensive, but watching voluntarily posted videos is not. Even the smarter guys can’t get their girlfriends to give up the hobby.

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  86. @Big Bill
    Adult blacks will be inclined to minimize this. The black Chief of Police of Chicago called the perps "foolish". Other black leaders will shake their heads and call them "knuckleheads".

    You have to see it from the black perspective. It was loud. The kids were laughing and having fun. They were completely oblivious to the shock outsiders would feel. They didn't plan to kill him, nor did they plan to hurt him. It just sort of happened, you know? "We was just sorta playin' around, I guess. But we didn't hurt him none. Maybe he got a little skeert, but that ain't no big deal."

    Think of these blacks as young, impulsive, low-IQ, inbred, semi-civilized urban hillbillies and you won't be far from the truth. And that's the way their own leaders look at them as well. That's why it is so hard for their leaders to take a hard line. Their leaders KNOW they are mentally and morally defective through no fault of their own. It seems cruel and heartless to take a hard line and send them to prison like they were adults or something.

    And their leaders are correct. When dealing with impulsive, happy-go-lucky, excitable people, the best thing is not to hold them to higher standards (which they really cannot meet), but just to avoid them and segregate yourself and your loved ones.

    It was for this reason that Jim Crow was instituted. Not out of hatred, but as the only reasonable, tolerable way to accommodate black folks and live in a relatively friction-free bi-racial society.

    Jim Crow lets Negros be Negros and Whites be Whites.

    Frankly, I blame the suburban white parents who didn't take care of their retarded son, not the perps. The perps don't know any better and never will. In the South under Jim Crow, black youth would have known better than to load up some white retard in a van and have some fun with him.

    Your view on Jim Crow laws is one few people outside the South understand. Segregation in general served to protect both races, and separate but equal is (or was) the only viable non-violent solution to the ongoing race problem.

    The Negro population in the US is around 13%, but accounts overall for more than 50% of murders and other violent felonies nationwide.

    Reality is a bitch, but it exists whether we wish to acknowledge it or not…carry concealed whenever possible, and stay alert to your surroundings at all times..is good advice, always.

    Jim Crow left town a long time ago, and he ain’t returning anytime soon, unfortunately!

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    "The Negro population in the US is around 13%, but accounts overall for more than 50% of murders and other violent felonies nationwide."

    That's nationwide when you also include suburbs and rural areas. If you only include the city limits of big cities in The U.S and exclude suburbs & rural areas, than the percentage of murders committed by Blacks in The U.S is way higher than 50 percent.
  87. TheJester says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    Even if CBS had not dog-whistled the race of the perps by refusing to provide it, I'd still be guessing Negro underclass just because of the brutishly sadistic nature of the crime and its cowardly nature; four-on-one targeting an already vulnerable victim.

    I have a simple criterion for identifying the race of people committing crimes when the MSM refuses to do so (track record … almost 100%):

    If it’s mindless violence committed by more than one person, it’s “Blacks behaving badly”.

    Examples: Flash mobbing malls; shooting up parties; gunfights in public places; drive-by street shootings. For some reason, Whites who commit crimes tend to be isolated loners. Crime is apparently not a communal or group activity for them.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Whites who commit crimes tend to be isolated loners. Crime is apparently not a communal or group activity for them."

    Even Whites who are not criminal loners like the Russian and Italian Mafia try to stay as low a profile as possible so as to not attract too much attention from law enforcement.

  88. Merema says:

    This crime broke my heart.. torturing a disabled person is like hurting a baby. The only “consolation” is is that the torture could have been worse…much worse.

    They wanted to humiliate him and have fun doing it…it does not seem so much about causing him real bodily damage and death.

    With these kind of people, what does one say really?

    What is worse is the response of the American media and the Narrative they push. I would like to hear outrage from black leaders in Chicago, prayer vigils. I want Obama to speak clearly and loudly.

    This young man could have been my son.

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    • Replies: @Robert Hume
    "They wanted to humiliate him and have fun doing it…it does not seem so much about causing him real bodily damage and death. "

    They stepped on his head. Gently, I suppose. Perhaps the girls objected.
  89. @Lot
    I think social media is very anti-crime. There is the first reason that it makes criminals easy to catch because they are stupid and leave trails of evidence. Things like threats against the victim, or photos of stolen property. And here and there actual admissions of the crime. It also gives a good idea of who the crook's associates are, conveniently with photos and often real names.

    But the larger reason is that all young people, including the criminal demographics, spend so much time glued to screens they have less time to be bored and commit crime. It also makes them fatter and reduces their testosterone.

    We saw in the big NZ study Steve blogged a while ago that even controlling for many, many other factors, the obese commit less crime than the normals and thins. To take this example, three of the kidnappers were quite thin, one looked normal or slightly overweight.

    As I often have occasion to say here at iSteve, this is something I haven’t seen covered elsewhere…

    I have to believe that there is some kind of reduction in traditional US urban crime due to smart phones, etc. Specifically, I have recently seen many urban situations that I would have considered to be dangerous in the past due to the volatile mix of ethnicities including thuggish demographic profiles. Yet everyone is glued to their screens and sort of … “sedated” is the most accurate word I can think of. Had these people not had their digital binkies, they would have been turning their attention on each other to sate their need for “entertainment”, and that would have involved misdemeanors escalating to felonies if the police don’t arrive in time. But in the era of ubiquitous prolefeed, it’s all heads down, eyes glued to screens.

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  90. Jefferson says:
    @Zonie
    If the victim is "special needs" / mentally retarded, he is still less so than his attackers and that repulsive woman holding the phone.

    “If the victim is “special needs” / mentally retarded, he is still less so than his attackers and that repulsive woman holding the phone.”

    Blacks trump people with down syndrome/special needs in the vibrant diversity food chain.

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  91. Jefferson says:
    @Vinay
    Well, right-wing media won't be too keen to make a big deal of this either. I kinda instinctively get why but can't articulate it.

    Steve, can you explain why? For example, someone like you may link to the story but won't really be moved to write passionate screeds about it. Nobody else on the right will either. Is it because the perpetrators are simply too sordid to stand in for some larger point?

    “Well, right-wing media won’t be too keen to make a big deal of this either.”

    The Fox News Channel is giving a lot of airtime to this.

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  92. Jefferson says:
    @anonymous
    The black police chief thought it was stupidity rather than being a racial hate crime and avoided agreeing that it might be as such. Wonder what it takes for something to be called a hate crime when the victim is white or at least non-black? The media couldn't ignore this video so they'll be busy spinning it. A couple of Chicago television news stations seem to have their go-to black reverends that they constantly put on to decry all the violence and wring their hands about it in public. Those are the 'responsible' blacks that they showcase and they'll be bringing them out in front of the cameras to say how horrible this is and that the world is going downhill and by the way we need more government programs; that is, stop the violence and send more money. Meanwhile, the majority of Chicago blacks probably think the video is a gas while they pass the herb around.

    There are already Blacks on CNN and MSNBC saying those Yoots tortured that special needs White kid because they don’t have jobs and it has nothing to do with hatred of Whites.

    So open borders where Mexicans take fast food jobs away from the Black underclass causes them to take out their violent anger on White people instead of Mexicans.

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  93. SIMPLE says:

    The video keeps getting re-added to YouTube. There are several versions up. Just search for them.

    There were some interesting comments from black election TV spokespersons on the networks to the effect that they would not be placid and like they used to be after Trump won. It was definitely an implicit threat. Personally I don’t think they had it bad under W or Clinton or…at least back to 1968. But you get the definite sense that they want to start violence since there is a Republican in office. There were also semi violent crimes immediately after the election.

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  94. Randal says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Assange, Snowden, Manning, and Greenwald all deserve the Nobel Prize.

    Assange, Snowden, Manning, and Greenwald all deserve the Nobel Prize.

    I certainly agree they have all done very excellent work though I disapprove strongly of the latter two’s lifestyle choices.

    Some interesting smear work against Assange recently. As they say, judge a man by his enemies:

    WikiLeaks threatens to sue CNN after ‘pedophile’ charge repeated on air

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  95. biz says:
    @IHTG
    I learned from a recent liberal hit piece on him that Greenwald is a former (or is he?) immigration restrictionist.

    Over the years Greenwald has held every possible political opinion at one time or another, so probably.

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  96. @Autochthon
    I bet Bill O'Reilly will cover it tomorrow if he didn't tonight; he's not perfect, but he has the courage and tbe pull to cover stuff like this.

    I also bet no other MSM outlet will.

    I bet Bill O’Reilly will cover it tomorrow if he didn’t tonight; he’s not perfect, but he has the courage and tbe pull to cover stuff like this.

    I also bet no other MSM outlet will.

    It was mentioned, and pictures of the perps were shown, in the opening salvo of news items on the Today show.

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  97. Thea says:
    @Randal

    Hate Nonhoax?
     
    Or perhaps a Nonhate Hoax, or even a Nonhate Nonhoax, since as we all know it's only really "hate" if it's white straight folks doing it to approved minorities and not if it's done the other way round.

    Maybe if it turns out the victim was gay, or some other approved though white minority......

    He is special needs actually. But who cares about protecting them.

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  98. Kylie says:
    @Steve Sailer
    As Obama says, the important thing is to "structure a conversation."

    “As Obama says, the important thing is to ‘structure a conversation.’”

    “I have two daughters….”

    I’m not holding my breath.

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  99. 0:53 Fuck Donald Trump! Fuck white people!
    17:47 His ass deserved it… his ass from Europe.
    21:21 Goofy ass white man

    And the victim was a special needs kid, to boot. If the Chicago PD can’t figure out a way to prosecute this as a hate crime, then this incident is going to red-pill the hell out of millions of normies. Also, Attorney General Jeff Sessions will spend the next eight years raining down on that feckless police department like a bag of anvils.

    Update: All the perps are 18, and thus legal adults.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-video-police-condemn-facebook-video-20170105-htmlstory.html

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    • Replies: @res

    Update: All the perps are 18, and thus legal adults.
     
    But they are "teenagers"! Cue the photos of them at 12 years old...
    , @anon
    Clearly kidnapping someone for political reasons is a violation of that person's civil rights, IANAL but Sessions can probably go after these youths for a criminal civil right violation (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/242) which carries the death penalty when it involves kidnapping or murder.
    , @Muse

    Also, Attorney General Jeff Sessions will spend the next eight years raining down on that feckless police department like a bag of anvils.

     

    The majority of the Chicago cops are not the problem. It is the brass, the mayor and especially the Cook county prosecutor.
  100. TheJester says:
    @Big Bill
    Adult blacks will be inclined to minimize this. The black Chief of Police of Chicago called the perps "foolish". Other black leaders will shake their heads and call them "knuckleheads".

    You have to see it from the black perspective. It was loud. The kids were laughing and having fun. They were completely oblivious to the shock outsiders would feel. They didn't plan to kill him, nor did they plan to hurt him. It just sort of happened, you know? "We was just sorta playin' around, I guess. But we didn't hurt him none. Maybe he got a little skeert, but that ain't no big deal."

    Think of these blacks as young, impulsive, low-IQ, inbred, semi-civilized urban hillbillies and you won't be far from the truth. And that's the way their own leaders look at them as well. That's why it is so hard for their leaders to take a hard line. Their leaders KNOW they are mentally and morally defective through no fault of their own. It seems cruel and heartless to take a hard line and send them to prison like they were adults or something.

    And their leaders are correct. When dealing with impulsive, happy-go-lucky, excitable people, the best thing is not to hold them to higher standards (which they really cannot meet), but just to avoid them and segregate yourself and your loved ones.

    It was for this reason that Jim Crow was instituted. Not out of hatred, but as the only reasonable, tolerable way to accommodate black folks and live in a relatively friction-free bi-racial society.

    Jim Crow lets Negros be Negros and Whites be Whites.

    Frankly, I blame the suburban white parents who didn't take care of their retarded son, not the perps. The perps don't know any better and never will. In the South under Jim Crow, black youth would have known better than to load up some white retard in a van and have some fun with him.

    From the Washington Post:

    Police declined to give the race of the attackers or the victim. In the video, the attackers appear black. The victim appears to be white.

    However, we know appearances can be deceptive. Regardless, when the police and Black apologists in Chicago start calling the perpetrators of a crime “foolish” or “knuckleheads”, rest assured it was a Black-on-White crime … and, as we know, Blacks who are “foolish knuckleheads” and post their Black-on-White crimes on Facebook are not bright enough to have committed hate crimes. QED

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    "However, we know appearances can be deceptive."

    What the hell does that mean? Are you saying the lighting of the camera was dark and made the perpetrators appear more ethnic than they actually are? They are not really Black?
  101. @Kurt van Ghoye
    A country in Africa needs to be invaded for this. If we would survive, we must learn to mete out collective punishment where appropriate.

    Somewhat OT: Your idea (invading an African nation to mete out collective punishment) makes me realise a big mistake of recent administrations has been retributive invasions rather than mere retributive attacks.

    Whenever some savage harmed Americans on his watch, Ronald Reagan took action to mete out justice and make it clear there was more where that came from, but he didn’t commit us to the morass of invasions and occupations more recent leaders have. When Khadaffi’s Libyans murdered Americans in Berlin? We lit them up with some special gifts delivered via hornets. Noriega’s narcotraficantes sowing death and mayhem for Americans in Miami? The marines hauled his ass out of bed with an early wake up call and he wound up with a nice comfortable cell to sleep in from then on. And so on. But none of this foolish nonsense about liberating Libyans or Panamanians or whomever. No occupations. No entanglements. Look, if someone punches you in the face, you beat his ass. Maybe you just hit him one good sock harder to make your point. Maybe you lay him out altogether. Then you eall awayand go abot your business. In any event you don’t beat him but then follow him home and move into his house to teach him the error of his violent ways. It makes no damned sense interpersonally, and it makes no damned sense internationally. Hell, MacArthur spent less time mopping up in Japan than we’ve now spent in Iraq….

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    FTR, I agree with your prescription when it comes to relations between states. My comment about invading an African nation was meant to be of the bitter tongue in cheek variety. But there is a grain of seriousness, in that the most effective way to deal with interconfessional and intraethnic tensions, when manifested in the form of terrorism or whatever rebellion against public order for the sake of pissing on an ethnic or confessional opponent, has been to dish out collective reprisals. Someone on this site mentioned that pretty recently, maybe iSteve himself, using the example of the MENA strongman. Obviously the answer to the Chicago #BLMkidnapping torture caper is not to visit violence upon blacks generally, much less blacks in Africa, but the more America comes to resemble Yugoslavia, or the Austro-Hungarian Empire, or Syria on the score of heterogeneity, the more it will behoove us to reconsider our jurisprudence and expand it beyond the individual, in order to bring groups to heel. The most obvious application in cases of racial terrorism would be to punish the perps' families in some way. How we get from here to there is complicated theoretically, and likely quite bloody on the ground. But we wanted a multicult society right? So get ready for multicult jurisprudence.
  102. @Lot

    I bet Bill O’Reilly will cover it tomorrow if he didn’t tonight; he’s not perfect, but he has the courage and tbe pull to cover stuff like this.

    I also bet no other MSM outlet will.
     
    No, this will be big, at least for a couple days.

    NYT wrote its own fairly accurate article and even included the phrase "anti-white." We might see that word scrubbed out in a later version.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/04/us/chicago-racially-charged-attack-video.html

    The police here were questioning four people on Wednesday as video circulated online showing a white teenager tied up and beaten as a group of young African-Americans shouted antiwhite messages and insulted President-elect Donald J. Trump.

    The police said the victim was an 18-year-old man from suburban Chicago who had “mental health challenges” and who had been reported missing. Officers spotted him on Tuesday in a violent neighborhood on Chicago’s West Side and recognized that he was in distress, the police said. They sought treatment for him at a hospital and connected the beating to four people who were taken into custody later that day near where the bloodied man had been found.

    A roughly 30-minute video clip shared widely online appeared to show a Facebook livestream of the assault. A group can be seen taunting and physically assaulting a man amid cursing and laughing. Much of the video focuses on one woman as she rambles, at times incoherently.

    The video begins with a shot of that woman before turning to the victim, who is seated in the corner of a room with his mouth covered. The woman laughs as two men cut the sleeve of the victim’s shirt. One of the men yells epithets about Mr. Trump and “white people.” Later, a man cuts a patch of hair from the victim’s head, appearing to draw blood in the process.

     

    It bodes well. It would be good for Mr. Trump to visit the young man who was attacked to express condolences and for him to have the DOJ prosecute the savages for federal hate crimes. Just as the senate’s so-called nuclear option can now be very helpful to the new Republican legislature and executive, so too can all these stupid “hate crime” laws passed by leftists to persecute white people. What’s sauce for the goose….

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  103. res says:
    @Gunnar von Cowtown
    0:53 Fuck Donald Trump! Fuck white people!
    17:47 His ass deserved it... his ass from Europe.
    21:21 Goofy ass white man

    And the victim was a special needs kid, to boot. If the Chicago PD can't figure out a way to prosecute this as a hate crime, then this incident is going to red-pill the hell out of millions of normies. Also, Attorney General Jeff Sessions will spend the next eight years raining down on that feckless police department like a bag of anvils.

    Update: All the perps are 18, and thus legal adults.
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-video-police-condemn-facebook-video-20170105-htmlstory.html

    Update: All the perps are 18, and thus legal adults.

    But they are “teenagers”! Cue the photos of them at 12 years old…

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  104. CK says:
    @Vinay
    Well, right-wing media won't be too keen to make a big deal of this either. I kinda instinctively get why but can't articulate it.

    Steve, can you explain why? For example, someone like you may link to the story but won't really be moved to write passionate screeds about it. Nobody else on the right will either. Is it because the perpetrators are simply too sordid to stand in for some larger point?

    Wrong adjective. Too normal is the proper descriptive adjective. There is no larger point. This is the normalcy … this was not an outlier behaviour.

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  105. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Gunnar von Cowtown
    0:53 Fuck Donald Trump! Fuck white people!
    17:47 His ass deserved it... his ass from Europe.
    21:21 Goofy ass white man

    And the victim was a special needs kid, to boot. If the Chicago PD can't figure out a way to prosecute this as a hate crime, then this incident is going to red-pill the hell out of millions of normies. Also, Attorney General Jeff Sessions will spend the next eight years raining down on that feckless police department like a bag of anvils.

    Update: All the perps are 18, and thus legal adults.
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-video-police-condemn-facebook-video-20170105-htmlstory.html

    Clearly kidnapping someone for political reasons is a violation of that person’s civil rights, IANAL but Sessions can probably go after these youths for a criminal civil right violation (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/242) which carries the death penalty when it involves kidnapping or murder.

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  106. donut says:
    @Josh
    I wish they could still say retarded. I have no idea what "special needs" means.

    Kidnapping and torturing a retarded person is not funny. The glibness of some of the commenters here can be off-putting.

    Agree .

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  107. Anon7 says:

    Life imitating art?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OLYo5tMylQM

    Trailer for 2008 movie “Untraceable” in which Internet denizens are encouraged to watch (and facilitate) torture.

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  108. @Big Bill
    Adult blacks will be inclined to minimize this. The black Chief of Police of Chicago called the perps "foolish". Other black leaders will shake their heads and call them "knuckleheads".

    You have to see it from the black perspective. It was loud. The kids were laughing and having fun. They were completely oblivious to the shock outsiders would feel. They didn't plan to kill him, nor did they plan to hurt him. It just sort of happened, you know? "We was just sorta playin' around, I guess. But we didn't hurt him none. Maybe he got a little skeert, but that ain't no big deal."

    Think of these blacks as young, impulsive, low-IQ, inbred, semi-civilized urban hillbillies and you won't be far from the truth. And that's the way their own leaders look at them as well. That's why it is so hard for their leaders to take a hard line. Their leaders KNOW they are mentally and morally defective through no fault of their own. It seems cruel and heartless to take a hard line and send them to prison like they were adults or something.

    And their leaders are correct. When dealing with impulsive, happy-go-lucky, excitable people, the best thing is not to hold them to higher standards (which they really cannot meet), but just to avoid them and segregate yourself and your loved ones.

    It was for this reason that Jim Crow was instituted. Not out of hatred, but as the only reasonable, tolerable way to accommodate black folks and live in a relatively friction-free bi-racial society.

    Jim Crow lets Negros be Negros and Whites be Whites.

    Frankly, I blame the suburban white parents who didn't take care of their retarded son, not the perps. The perps don't know any better and never will. In the South under Jim Crow, black youth would have known better than to load up some white retard in a van and have some fun with him.

    That’s a reasonable, well-stated point of view.

    But you just made a back-door case for Jim Crow, AKA Apartheid. Therefore, you are Literally Hitler. Now go commit seppuku somewhere.

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  109. Kylie says:

    “If the Chicago PD can’t figure out a way to prosecute this as a hate crime, then this incident is going to red-pill the hell out of millions of normies.”

    It’s a question of won’t, not can’t.

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  110. jill says:

    Chicago code:
    “A person commits hate crime when, by reason of the actual or perceived race, color, creed, religion, ancestry, gender, sexual orientation, physical or mental disability, or national origin of another individual or group of individuals, regardless of the existence of any other motivating factor or factors, he commits assault, battery, aggravated assault, misdemeanor theft, criminal trespass to residence, misdemeanor criminal damage to property, criminal trespass to vehicle, criminal trespass to real property, mob action, disorderly conduct, harassment by telephone, or harassment through electronic communications as these crimes are defined in Sections 12-1, 12-2, 12-3(a), 16-1, 19-4, 21-1, 21-2, 21-3, 25-1, 26-1, 26.5-2, and paragraphs (a)(2) and (a)(5) of Section 26.5-3 of this Code, respectively.”

    http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2017/01/remember-tolerance.html

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  111. I read a sensible position elsewhere, from a lawyer:

    Don’t try to bring race “hate crimes” into this process. It will just make it harder to prosecute the accused, more to prove.

    It’s my understanding that “hate crimes” were mostly designed to help and enhance criminal proceedings against whites and they’re harder to use them to prosecute blacks. Let the media boil the race stuff, treat the crime itself as a violent crime involving torture. Assuming all of this isn’t a stunt… A sick stunt.

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    • Replies: @guest
    Do I care if it makes the prosecution harder? If it's so hard to convict people of anti-white "hate crimes," even when the perpetrators wrap all the evidence in a neat, little bow, maybe this case can convince people how iniquitous hate crimes are.
    , @ben tillman

    It’s my understanding that “hate crimes” were mostly designed to help and enhance criminal proceedings against whites and they’re harder to use them to prosecute blacks.
     
    The first part is true; the second part is obviously false.
  112. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    Even if CBS had not dog-whistled the race of the perps by refusing to provide it, I'd still be guessing Negro underclass just because of the brutishly sadistic nature of the crime and its cowardly nature; four-on-one targeting an already vulnerable victim.

    Even if CBS had not dog-whistled the race of the perps by refusing to provide it, I’d still be guessing Negro underclass just because of the brutishly sadistic nature of the crime and its cowardly nature; four-on-one targeting an already vulnerable victim.

    Popular black social critic has a warning for white folks:

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    The cool thing about being a Black Conservative like TJ Sotomayor is that you can publicly call Black thugs the N word and never get fired from your job if your boss finds out you use that type of language on Youtube, Twitter, and Facebook.
  113. @Lot
    If you think the Mail is going soft, the Express takes a much harder line, though it is more Europe focused. Here's a link that combines US and Europe coverage rather than lots of UK stuff and gossip:

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world

    It is kind of shocking to see a daily paper so focused on migrant crime and disorder. While the Mail is like an improved NY Post, there is nothing like the Express here.

    I like the Knight with St. George Cross on the logo.

    The Express is owned by Richard Desmond, who made his early fortune providing something for which there was a demand, but which was disapproved of in polite British society – hence titles like Asian Babes and Big Ones.

    He’s doing the same now, having obviously spotted that the angry Brit demographic is woefully underserved.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Desmond

    (Interestingly, the Express rarely gets attacked by the left/Guardian/BBC the way the Mail and Sun do)

    On hoax topics, in the Guardian “the story behind the burning of Hopewell Missionary Baptist church takes an unexpected turn – and prompts some difficult conversations about race relations”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2017/jan/04/mississippi-black-church-burned-vote-trump-race

    Not unexpected to iSteve readers.

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  114. @Big Bill
    Adult blacks will be inclined to minimize this. The black Chief of Police of Chicago called the perps "foolish". Other black leaders will shake their heads and call them "knuckleheads".

    You have to see it from the black perspective. It was loud. The kids were laughing and having fun. They were completely oblivious to the shock outsiders would feel. They didn't plan to kill him, nor did they plan to hurt him. It just sort of happened, you know? "We was just sorta playin' around, I guess. But we didn't hurt him none. Maybe he got a little skeert, but that ain't no big deal."

    Think of these blacks as young, impulsive, low-IQ, inbred, semi-civilized urban hillbillies and you won't be far from the truth. And that's the way their own leaders look at them as well. That's why it is so hard for their leaders to take a hard line. Their leaders KNOW they are mentally and morally defective through no fault of their own. It seems cruel and heartless to take a hard line and send them to prison like they were adults or something.

    And their leaders are correct. When dealing with impulsive, happy-go-lucky, excitable people, the best thing is not to hold them to higher standards (which they really cannot meet), but just to avoid them and segregate yourself and your loved ones.

    It was for this reason that Jim Crow was instituted. Not out of hatred, but as the only reasonable, tolerable way to accommodate black folks and live in a relatively friction-free bi-racial society.

    Jim Crow lets Negros be Negros and Whites be Whites.

    Frankly, I blame the suburban white parents who didn't take care of their retarded son, not the perps. The perps don't know any better and never will. In the South under Jim Crow, black youth would have known better than to load up some white retard in a van and have some fun with him.

    Dang, do you really believe that? Sadism is okay if you’re stupid and uncivilized? I’d want these perps to hang if it were another black gang criminal there were torturing. No society can function with people like this roaming about, segregated or not.

    I’m clinging to the hope that this is a hoax in some form.

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    "Dang, do you really believe that? Sadism is okay if you’re stupid and uncivilized?"

    Sorry, answering for Bill. I don't think anyone would say its okay, but that its unavoidable. Low IQ and a complete lack of impulse control makes it so.

    "No society can function with people like this roaming about, segregated or not."

    True. Hence Jim Crow.
    , @Big Bill
    Your straw man is silly. I recognize that those residing in America do not comprise a "Nation", but several nations, several cultures, each with its own cultural norms.

    Unless and until you stop trying to turn Negros (and Mexicans, and Muslims) into ersatz white folks, you will bankrupt yourself.

    It's not that "sadism" isn't wrong (from a white perspective), its that the Negro community doesn't really see this as sadism. When a pit bull is let off its leash and savages passersby is it "sadistic" or "evil"?

    As Don Lemon said earlier today, these kids aren't "evil", they are just poorly trained. I do not think of these kids as "evil" any more than I think pit-bulls are "evil". It's just their nature, that's all.

    The US Supreme Court addressed this issue in Atkins v. Virginia when it held that a mentally deficient (though brutal) black murderer could not be executed for his crimes since his mental deficiency made it impossible for him to truly understand the moral significance of his acts and be held fully humanly responsible for his crimes. The NAACP applauded this decision.

    Recently, the Supreme Court revised Atkins and decided that a black murderer with an IQ of 70 couldn't be treated as fully human and morally responsible.

    As Dr. James Thompson explains elsewhere on unz.com, fully 16% of blacks are below 70 ... as opposed to 1 out of 50 whites.

    So please, recognize their fundamentally limited moral and intellectual capacity, stop applying white standards of behavior to them, and just avoid them.

    As far as your comment that"[n]o society can function with people like this roaming about", I disagree. Consider Libya, Pakistan, India, Iraq, Somalia, Yemen, Syria, New Guinea, the Congo et al.. Fortunately, we "segregate" ourselves from them with immigration laws.

  115. densa says:

    Obviously a racist hate crime. Why are the police scratching their heads over this one? Because a hate crime can only happen to a member of a protected class, i.e. anyone but a Caucasian, preferably a male Caucasian. A hate crime is possible toward this “special needs” white male for his specialness only.

    Otherwise, despite abundant evidence otherwise, hate towards whites is a legal impossibility. Does anyone think it is time to change laws that inshrine the new racial bigotry? If the law depends on white racial exclusion, then the law should be struck down.

    While we’re at it, the diversity mandate is simply discrimination against native whites, applicable to no one else on the planet, so let’s get rid of all those laws, too. No more quotas or affirmative action. Time to stop making white people responsible for what people did in history. If we’re going to hold one group responsible for history, let’s hold the whole species responsible for its entire past, even the bits too uncivilized to have been recorded.

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    The whole point was to enshrine bigotry, against the majority population, and to protect special, approved classes in the process. Anyone who didn't know this is an ignoramus and/or stupid, but I suppose they may have tricked some otherwise intelligent true believers in equality.

    They do, of course, prosecute *some* Others who victimize straight, stale, pale males. Because it can't be too obvious.

    There's an out in this case, as the pale male happens to be "special," and the retarded are among the protected. The authorities could base hate crime prosecution on that.

  116. If you take the stated justification at face value, this is an example of exactly why Federal Hate Crimes ™ were created in the first place. Feds felt that the local jurisdictions would not effectively prosecute because the local cops judges etc didn’t like the victim any more than the perps did. Which is precisely what we see here.

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  117. IA says:
    @anonymous
    The black police chief thought it was stupidity rather than being a racial hate crime and avoided agreeing that it might be as such. Wonder what it takes for something to be called a hate crime when the victim is white or at least non-black? The media couldn't ignore this video so they'll be busy spinning it. A couple of Chicago television news stations seem to have their go-to black reverends that they constantly put on to decry all the violence and wring their hands about it in public. Those are the 'responsible' blacks that they showcase and they'll be bringing them out in front of the cameras to say how horrible this is and that the world is going downhill and by the way we need more government programs; that is, stop the violence and send more money. Meanwhile, the majority of Chicago blacks probably think the video is a gas while they pass the herb around.

    Yes, you are correct. “Poor impulse control” is part of the shakedown which even race-realist whites unwittingly fall for. The shakedown can also use the “at-risk youths” gambit to include mental illness. More federal money for consuling. In Washington, DC, and a couple of other US cities, they actually pay people not to KILL anyone again.

    Blacks, treasonous elites, and human rights advocates play socially insecure middle-class whites like Cortez with Aztecs.

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  118. Vinay says:

    This made the BBC world news and CNN front page. I think mentioning Trump raised its prominence from a local story.

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  119. guest says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Assange, Snowden, Manning, and Greenwald all deserve the Nobel Prize.

    I don’t know about Manning or Greenwald, and less Greenwald than Manning. But the first two, yes.

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  120. Of course the NYT article mentions the “relentless violence” in Chicago but fails to mention this violence is mainly blacks killing each other.

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  121. What better event to be the crowning achievement of the Obama Presidency?

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  122. @Merema
    This crime broke my heart.. torturing a disabled person is like hurting a baby. The only "consolation" is is that the torture could have been worse...much worse.

    They wanted to humiliate him and have fun doing it...it does not seem so much about causing him real bodily damage and death.

    With these kind of people, what does one say really?

    What is worse is the response of the American media and the Narrative they push. I would like to hear outrage from black leaders in Chicago, prayer vigils. I want Obama to speak clearly and loudly.

    This young man could have been my son.

    “They wanted to humiliate him and have fun doing it…it does not seem so much about causing him real bodily damage and death. ”

    They stepped on his head. Gently, I suppose. Perhaps the girls objected.

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  123. guest says:
    @This is ridiculous
    I read a sensible position elsewhere, from a lawyer:

    Don't try to bring race "hate crimes" into this process. It will just make it harder to prosecute the accused, more to prove.

    It's my understanding that "hate crimes" were mostly designed to help and enhance criminal proceedings against whites and they're harder to use them to prosecute blacks. Let the media boil the race stuff, treat the crime itself as a violent crime involving torture. Assuming all of this isn't a stunt… A sick stunt.

    Do I care if it makes the prosecution harder? If it’s so hard to convict people of anti-white “hate crimes,” even when the perpetrators wrap all the evidence in a neat, little bow, maybe this case can convince people how iniquitous hate crimes are.

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  124. guest says:
    @densa
    Obviously a racist hate crime. Why are the police scratching their heads over this one? Because a hate crime can only happen to a member of a protected class, i.e. anyone but a Caucasian, preferably a male Caucasian. A hate crime is possible toward this "special needs" white male for his specialness only.

    Otherwise, despite abundant evidence otherwise, hate towards whites is a legal impossibility. Does anyone think it is time to change laws that inshrine the new racial bigotry? If the law depends on white racial exclusion, then the law should be struck down.

    While we're at it, the diversity mandate is simply discrimination against native whites, applicable to no one else on the planet, so let's get rid of all those laws, too. No more quotas or affirmative action. Time to stop making white people responsible for what people did in history. If we're going to hold one group responsible for history, let's hold the whole species responsible for its entire past, even the bits too uncivilized to have been recorded.

    The whole point was to enshrine bigotry, against the majority population, and to protect special, approved classes in the process. Anyone who didn’t know this is an ignoramus and/or stupid, but I suppose they may have tricked some otherwise intelligent true believers in equality.

    They do, of course, prosecute *some* Others who victimize straight, stale, pale males. Because it can’t be too obvious.

    There’s an out in this case, as the pale male happens to be “special,” and the retarded are among the protected. The authorities could base hate crime prosecution on that.

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  125. Thea says:

    The group of blacks versus a solitary white is very typical. I experienced it first hand in school and witnessed it over & over. The administration & teachers did nothing to protect whites.

    We have to firm real life groups. Check in on elderly white neighbors, travel in groups, warn other whites to travel in groups. Look as threatening as possible for a deterrent.

    If you tolerate this, then your children will be next.

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  126. We’ll never do it here, because slavery, but corporal punishment would be remarkably effective in nipping black “youth” behavior in the bud. The downstream effects would be enormous.

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  127. @Formerly CARealist
    Dang, do you really believe that? Sadism is okay if you're stupid and uncivilized? I'd want these perps to hang if it were another black gang criminal there were torturing. No society can function with people like this roaming about, segregated or not.

    I'm clinging to the hope that this is a hoax in some form.

    “Dang, do you really believe that? Sadism is okay if you’re stupid and uncivilized?”

    Sorry, answering for Bill. I don’t think anyone would say its okay, but that its unavoidable. Low IQ and a complete lack of impulse control makes it so.

    “No society can function with people like this roaming about, segregated or not.”

    True. Hence Jim Crow.

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  128. melendwyr says: • Website

    If the races of the victim and the victimizers were switched, who would deny that this was a hate crime? We don’t even need to make adjustments, as with the scenario mentioned above, leaving bacon all over a Christian church isn’t equivalent, so we’d need to substitute another desecration. But torturing a retarded man while making hateful comments about his race and imagined political allegiance? That’s just obviously wrong.

    It will be interesting to see which authority groups do the correct thing, which do the wrong thing, and whether the second group will be held responsible. (If the Chicago police don’t press appropriate charges, will there be consequences?)

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    leaving bacon all over a Christian church isn’t equivalent, so we’d need to substitute another desecration
     
    The exquisite sensitivity of Muslims to the defilement of their relics seems unique, and extremely neurotic.
  129. Jefferson says:
    @Palerider1861
    Your view on Jim Crow laws is one few people outside the South understand. Segregation in general served to protect both races, and separate but equal is (or was) the only viable non-violent solution to the ongoing race problem.

    The Negro population in the US is around 13%, but accounts overall for more than 50% of murders and other violent felonies nationwide.

    Reality is a bitch, but it exists whether we wish to acknowledge it or not...carry concealed whenever possible, and stay alert to your surroundings at all times..is good advice, always.

    Jim Crow left town a long time ago, and he ain't returning anytime soon, unfortunately!

    “The Negro population in the US is around 13%, but accounts overall for more than 50% of murders and other violent felonies nationwide.”

    That’s nationwide when you also include suburbs and rural areas. If you only include the city limits of big cities in The U.S and exclude suburbs & rural areas, than the percentage of murders committed by Blacks in The U.S is way higher than 50 percent.

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  130. Jefferson says:
    @TheJester
    From the Washington Post:

    Police declined to give the race of the attackers or the victim. In the video, the attackers appear black. The victim appears to be white.
     
    However, we know appearances can be deceptive. Regardless, when the police and Black apologists in Chicago start calling the perpetrators of a crime "foolish" or "knuckleheads", rest assured it was a Black-on-White crime ... and, as we know, Blacks who are "foolish knuckleheads" and post their Black-on-White crimes on Facebook are not bright enough to have committed hate crimes. QED

    “However, we know appearances can be deceptive.”

    What the hell does that mean? Are you saying the lighting of the camera was dark and made the perpetrators appear more ethnic than they actually are? They are not really Black?

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  131. @Whiskey
    Yes this is typical of most ghetto dwelling young Black men and women. In general attitudes and anti-White hate if not action.

    It is time for Whites to stop the BS and start calling out Black people for this -- and assign group responsibility; here's your anti-White hate crime today to match slavery 150 years ago.

    Yes "youths" have low IQ and even lower levels of responsibility. So does Dylan Roof. I don't see any reason at all to cut either any slack. We must demand lengthy prison terms and hate crime penalties to deter future attacks, and get up in Black people's faces as Obama once put it, to put them on the defensive.

    If you're not attacking, your defending. Welcome to the reality of multi racial, multicultural America. Where group identity and rights and being on the attack are mandatory to not be on the defense all the time.

    Yes “youths” have low IQ and even lower levels of responsibility. So does Dylan Roof. I don’t see any reason at all to cut either any slack. We must demand lengthy prison terms and hate crime penalties to deter future attacks, and get up in Black people’s faces as Obama once put it, to put them on the defensive.

    I agree with your sense of equity and that the enemies of order need to be taught conspicuous lessons, but I doubt that deterrence is a realistic goal in most crimes perpetrated by low IQ blacks, although it may work better with their more far-sighted bretheren.

    I used to be of the opinion that many violent blacks simply didn’t care about going to prison, that they “got to hang with the homies” and be in an environment where they were in the upper social stratum. But with more reading and experience, I’ve come to think many of these perps don’t understand, in any meaningful way, that prison is even a possible outcome. They would mostly take strenuous action to avoid it if they understood the risk, but you can’t dodge what you can’t see.

    Still, we should proceed as if deterrence were possible.

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  132. @melendwyr
    If the races of the victim and the victimizers were switched, who would deny that this was a hate crime? We don't even need to make adjustments, as with the scenario mentioned above, leaving bacon all over a Christian church isn't equivalent, so we'd need to substitute another desecration. But torturing a retarded man while making hateful comments about his race and imagined political allegiance? That's just obviously wrong.

    It will be interesting to see which authority groups do the correct thing, which do the wrong thing, and whether the second group will be held responsible. (If the Chicago police don't press appropriate charges, will there be consequences?)

    leaving bacon all over a Christian church isn’t equivalent, so we’d need to substitute another desecration

    The exquisite sensitivity of Muslims to the defilement of their relics seems unique, and extremely neurotic.

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  133. Jefferson says:
    @TheJester
    I have a simple criterion for identifying the race of people committing crimes when the MSM refuses to do so (track record ... almost 100%):

    If it's mindless violence committed by more than one person, it's "Blacks behaving badly".
     
    Examples: Flash mobbing malls; shooting up parties; gunfights in public places; drive-by street shootings. For some reason, Whites who commit crimes tend to be isolated loners. Crime is apparently not a communal or group activity for them.

    “Whites who commit crimes tend to be isolated loners. Crime is apparently not a communal or group activity for them.”

    Even Whites who are not criminal loners like the Russian and Italian Mafia try to stay as low a profile as possible so as to not attract too much attention from law enforcement.

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    “Whites who commit crimes tend to be isolated loners. Crime is apparently not a communal or group activity for them.”

    Even Whites who are not criminal loners like the Russian and Italian Mafia try to stay as low a profile as possible so as to not attract too much attention from law enforcement.
     
    For starters, how about outlaw bikers? I know they aren't much of a thing anymore, but back in the not too long ago day they were pretty hard to miss...
  134. Thea says:

    It sounds like they may have intended to kill him but he managed to escape after a neighbor complained about the noise he was making.

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  135. Muse says:
    @Gunnar von Cowtown
    0:53 Fuck Donald Trump! Fuck white people!
    17:47 His ass deserved it... his ass from Europe.
    21:21 Goofy ass white man

    And the victim was a special needs kid, to boot. If the Chicago PD can't figure out a way to prosecute this as a hate crime, then this incident is going to red-pill the hell out of millions of normies. Also, Attorney General Jeff Sessions will spend the next eight years raining down on that feckless police department like a bag of anvils.

    Update: All the perps are 18, and thus legal adults.
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-video-police-condemn-facebook-video-20170105-htmlstory.html

    Also, Attorney General Jeff Sessions will spend the next eight years raining down on that feckless police department like a bag of anvils.

    The majority of the Chicago cops are not the problem. It is the brass, the mayor and especially the Cook county prosecutor.

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    The majority of the Chicago cops are not the problem. It is the brass, the mayor and especially the Cook county prosecutor.
     
    Strongly agree. It's not the police who do the charging.
  136. Big Bill says:
    @Formerly CARealist
    Dang, do you really believe that? Sadism is okay if you're stupid and uncivilized? I'd want these perps to hang if it were another black gang criminal there were torturing. No society can function with people like this roaming about, segregated or not.

    I'm clinging to the hope that this is a hoax in some form.

    Your straw man is silly. I recognize that those residing in America do not comprise a “Nation”, but several nations, several cultures, each with its own cultural norms.

    Unless and until you stop trying to turn Negros (and Mexicans, and Muslims) into ersatz white folks, you will bankrupt yourself.

    It’s not that “sadism” isn’t wrong (from a white perspective), its that the Negro community doesn’t really see this as sadism. When a pit bull is let off its leash and savages passersby is it “sadistic” or “evil”?

    As Don Lemon said earlier today, these kids aren’t “evil”, they are just poorly trained. I do not think of these kids as “evil” any more than I think pit-bulls are “evil”. It’s just their nature, that’s all.

    The US Supreme Court addressed this issue in Atkins v. Virginia when it held that a mentally deficient (though brutal) black murderer could not be executed for his crimes since his mental deficiency made it impossible for him to truly understand the moral significance of his acts and be held fully humanly responsible for his crimes. The NAACP applauded this decision.

    Recently, the Supreme Court revised Atkins and decided that a black murderer with an IQ of 70 couldn’t be treated as fully human and morally responsible.

    As Dr. James Thompson explains elsewhere on unz.com, fully 16% of blacks are below 70 … as opposed to 1 out of 50 whites.

    So please, recognize their fundamentally limited moral and intellectual capacity, stop applying white standards of behavior to them, and just avoid them.

    As far as your comment that”[n]o society can function with people like this roaming about”, I disagree. Consider Libya, Pakistan, India, Iraq, Somalia, Yemen, Syria, New Guinea, the Congo et al.. Fortunately, we “segregate” ourselves from them with immigration laws.

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    I do not think of these kids as “evil” any more than I think pit-bulls are “evil”. It’s just their nature, that’s all.
     
    It's ours as well. The word more often used is "base," but the meaning is the same. It's why we speak of "raising" children. It's why Grace is Amazing.

    It's the ultimate thing that eventually must be noticed.
    , @Anon7
    "...fully 16% of blacks are below 70 [IQ]"

    Apparently it gets worse in urban areas where there has been black flight under modern conditions in which jobs mostly go to people with higher cognitive ability. This happened in Baltimore where the remaining inner city blacks have about 30% of children with IQs below 70, based on standardized testing.

    , @Formerly CARealist
    Just because people are stupid doesn't mean they have to be evil. Those punks tormenting that guy knew it was wrong. Were they high on something? Not that that would exonerate them in any way. But it does impede the conscience.

    Perhaps you're saying that stupid=evil.

    And you can't compare people to dogs. Dogs don't have moral agency, people do. Even the really dull ones. The murderer in Atkins had destroyed what little judgment he had with drugs and alcohol, but still the legal system moved mightily to figure out the appropriate way to deal with him. That wouldn't happen with the dog. Someone would just shoot it and no one would say anything.

    Maybe my conclusion is that stupid people (all people?) need to be kept away from drugs (and most alcohol) with all diligence.
  137. @Peripatetic commenter
    What better event to be the crowning achievement of the Obama Presidency?

    You say crowning, I say clowning.

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  138. @Big Bill
    Your straw man is silly. I recognize that those residing in America do not comprise a "Nation", but several nations, several cultures, each with its own cultural norms.

    Unless and until you stop trying to turn Negros (and Mexicans, and Muslims) into ersatz white folks, you will bankrupt yourself.

    It's not that "sadism" isn't wrong (from a white perspective), its that the Negro community doesn't really see this as sadism. When a pit bull is let off its leash and savages passersby is it "sadistic" or "evil"?

    As Don Lemon said earlier today, these kids aren't "evil", they are just poorly trained. I do not think of these kids as "evil" any more than I think pit-bulls are "evil". It's just their nature, that's all.

    The US Supreme Court addressed this issue in Atkins v. Virginia when it held that a mentally deficient (though brutal) black murderer could not be executed for his crimes since his mental deficiency made it impossible for him to truly understand the moral significance of his acts and be held fully humanly responsible for his crimes. The NAACP applauded this decision.

    Recently, the Supreme Court revised Atkins and decided that a black murderer with an IQ of 70 couldn't be treated as fully human and morally responsible.

    As Dr. James Thompson explains elsewhere on unz.com, fully 16% of blacks are below 70 ... as opposed to 1 out of 50 whites.

    So please, recognize their fundamentally limited moral and intellectual capacity, stop applying white standards of behavior to them, and just avoid them.

    As far as your comment that"[n]o society can function with people like this roaming about", I disagree. Consider Libya, Pakistan, India, Iraq, Somalia, Yemen, Syria, New Guinea, the Congo et al.. Fortunately, we "segregate" ourselves from them with immigration laws.

    I do not think of these kids as “evil” any more than I think pit-bulls are “evil”. It’s just their nature, that’s all.

    It’s ours as well. The word more often used is “base,” but the meaning is the same. It’s why we speak of “raising” children. It’s why Grace is Amazing.

    It’s the ultimate thing that eventually must be noticed.

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  139. anonguy says:
    @Jefferson
    "Whites who commit crimes tend to be isolated loners. Crime is apparently not a communal or group activity for them."

    Even Whites who are not criminal loners like the Russian and Italian Mafia try to stay as low a profile as possible so as to not attract too much attention from law enforcement.

    “Whites who commit crimes tend to be isolated loners. Crime is apparently not a communal or group activity for them.”

    Even Whites who are not criminal loners like the Russian and Italian Mafia try to stay as low a profile as possible so as to not attract too much attention from law enforcement.

    For starters, how about outlaw bikers? I know they aren’t much of a thing anymore, but back in the not too long ago day they were pretty hard to miss…

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  140. Lex Corvus says: • Website
    @Arclight
    Just pointing out the obvious, but if this happened with a black victim and white aggressors, we'd have protests in every major city, complete with lots of unauthorized shopping.

    Lots of lefty friends on Facebook after the election stated they were going to wear safety pins to signal to marginalized people that feel unsafe by Trump that they are allies. Seems like they misidentified the most likely victims of aggression.

    I believe the term of art is “undocumented shopping.”

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  141. It seems that the mentally retarded victim in this case was a former schoolmate of one of the attackers, so it is quite possible that that attacker was also in classes for the mentally retarded, or even that all of the attackers were mentally retarded or close to it (if it is true what they say about birds of a feather).

    I am sure a lot more information will come out eventually.

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  142. Steve, I noticed that you tagged this post with “projection”. I agree with that. The media commonly attributes to whites the type of racial animus that is typical of blacks toward whites. I think this might be a symptom of that Sapir/Whorf problem much discussed on your blog.

    We’re used to using the word Racism to describe any type of animus against another race, but when it comes to black/white relations, the origins and the psychology of those enmities are completely different.

    The characteristic animus a white racist feels toward the black race is contempt. He feels pity and contempt for blacks’ low achievement and he fears their violence. He is vexed by the blacks’ inability to live by the rules, and does his best to avoid their depredations.

    A black racist, however, feels resentment and envy toward the white race. He resents the whites’ domination over the culture, and envies his wealth and power. He resents whites’ fear.

    When the media promotes some hate hoax, it’s obvious when they get contempt and resentment mixed up. The paradigmatic behavior of the contemptuous is discrimination. The paradigmatic behavior of the resentful is aggression. Examples abound:
    * burning down a church: resentment
    * kidnapping a kid and torturing him: resentment
    * playing classical music over the loudspeakers to annoy loiterers: contempt
    * passive/aggressive mockery on social media: contempt
    * cops punishing jaywalkers: contempt
    * moving section 8 poor to the suburbs: contempt
    * knockout game: resentment

    We have been enduring a decades-long campaign of the media to project black resentment on whites, ignoring the actual feelings and motives of actual racists.

    We have also endured a similar, but much funnier, campaign to project white contempt on blacks: e.g. black intellectuals’ phony psychoanalysis of white obsession with black bodies, “The Talk”, Ta-Nehisi Coates’s whole schtick, etc.

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  143. Lagertha says:

    This IS A MAJOR-CHANGER/A major narrative, a BLM/SJW napalm bomb to fire at their pompousness, finally. Finally something truly depraved and venal happens that these “progressives” can’t bullshit themselves out of! They need to squirm big time, the whole lotta them. It’s monumentally ironic that the young man/boy is autistic. Oh snap, for those idiots who tortured him.

    When I have time, I will do an OT about WTF gave the victory to Trump. BUT shit, this IS part of the idea of mine.

    This is so inhumane that even the many animals who I “deal with,” with; ASPCA/Humane Society/Rescue groups in the 50 states, are animals, no human beings. And, this autistic young man is traumatized for life; unlike the dogs I have rehabbed, who still can be loving despite the abuse by bad humans. I want these perps to go to jail for 60 years...they are in Big League with Charles Manson. I mean, who does this to another human being? or a child/dog/cat/horse/bunny/pet of some kind? These 4 have no soul or right to live, in my opinion. They need to be banished because psychopaths need to be separated from the rest of the population. There is no redemption for psychopaths.

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    "This is so inhumane that even the many animals who I 'deal with,' with; ASPCA/Humane Society/Rescue groups in the 50 states, are animals, no human beings. And, this autistic young man is traumatized for life; unlike the dogs I have rehabbed, who still can be loving despite the abuse by bad humans."

    I'm not directly involved in animal rescue work but I do help some rescue groups financially and by sharing on Facebook.

    I'm curious if we know any of the same rescuers and/or rescue groups. Any names you would care to mention?

    Wrt dogs being rehabbed, I recommend watching Kyle Schwab's YouTube videos to the people here who think all "aggressive" dogs should be put down. I have learned a tremendous amount from him, including how to prevent fights between my two female bullies. I know for a fact that one good pittie is alive today because I used Kyle's ideas to prevent her owner euthanizing her.

    Too bad humane euthanasia is not an option for these four savages. Their behavior is deplorable and I'm sure they are irredeemable.
  144. CJ says:
    @Muse

    Also, Attorney General Jeff Sessions will spend the next eight years raining down on that feckless police department like a bag of anvils.

     

    The majority of the Chicago cops are not the problem. It is the brass, the mayor and especially the Cook county prosecutor.

    The majority of the Chicago cops are not the problem. It is the brass, the mayor and especially the Cook county prosecutor.

    Strongly agree. It’s not the police who do the charging.

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  145. Jefferson says:
    @anon

    Even if CBS had not dog-whistled the race of the perps by refusing to provide it, I’d still be guessing Negro underclass just because of the brutishly sadistic nature of the crime and its cowardly nature; four-on-one targeting an already vulnerable victim.
     
    Popular black social critic has a warning for white folks:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z_cTtTvbAc

    The cool thing about being a Black Conservative like TJ Sotomayor is that you can publicly call Black thugs the N word and never get fired from your job if your boss finds out you use that type of language on Youtube, Twitter, and Facebook.

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  146. @Autochthon
    Somewhat OT: Your idea (invading an African nation to mete out collective punishment) makes me realise a big mistake of recent administrations has been retributive invasions rather than mere retributive attacks.

    Whenever some savage harmed Americans on his watch, Ronald Reagan took action to mete out justice and make it clear there was more where that came from, but he didn't commit us to the morass of invasions and occupations more recent leaders have. When Khadaffi's Libyans murdered Americans in Berlin? We lit them up with some special gifts delivered via hornets. Noriega's narcotraficantes sowing death and mayhem for Americans in Miami? The marines hauled his ass out of bed with an early wake up call and he wound up with a nice comfortable cell to sleep in from then on. And so on. But none of this foolish nonsense about liberating Libyans or Panamanians or whomever. No occupations. No entanglements. Look, if someone punches you in the face, you beat his ass. Maybe you just hit him one good sock harder to make your point. Maybe you lay him out altogether. Then you eall awayand go abot your business. In any event you don't beat him but then follow him home and move into his house to teach him the error of his violent ways. It makes no damned sense interpersonally, and it makes no damned sense internationally. Hell, MacArthur spent less time mopping up in Japan than we've now spent in Iraq....

    FTR, I agree with your prescription when it comes to relations between states. My comment about invading an African nation was meant to be of the bitter tongue in cheek variety. But there is a grain of seriousness, in that the most effective way to deal with interconfessional and intraethnic tensions, when manifested in the form of terrorism or whatever rebellion against public order for the sake of pissing on an ethnic or confessional opponent, has been to dish out collective reprisals. Someone on this site mentioned that pretty recently, maybe iSteve himself, using the example of the MENA strongman. Obviously the answer to the Chicago #BLMkidnapping torture caper is not to visit violence upon blacks generally, much less blacks in Africa, but the more America comes to resemble Yugoslavia, or the Austro-Hungarian Empire, or Syria on the score of heterogeneity, the more it will behoove us to reconsider our jurisprudence and expand it beyond the individual, in order to bring groups to heel. The most obvious application in cases of racial terrorism would be to punish the perps’ families in some way. How we get from here to there is complicated theoretically, and likely quite bloody on the ground. But we wanted a multicult society right? So get ready for multicult jurisprudence.

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  147. @Anonymous Nephew
    "Wonder what it takes for something to be called a hate crime when the victim is white or at least non-black?"

    Well, in the UK four Somali girls can stamp on a woman's head shouting "kill the white slag", and it's not a hate crime, nor does it attract jail. That's reserved for serious offences like putting bacon on a mosque door handle.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8939276/Mercy-for-the-drunk-Muslim-girl-gang-who-attacked-woman.html

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2498913/man-jailed-for-leaving-bacon-sandwiches-outside-a-mosque-found-dead-in-prison-half-way-through-sentence/

    Effectively a death sentence for offending the religious sensibilities of a hostile subpopulation. Sends a pretty strong message to the genpop toiling in the satanic mills of multiculturalism in Old Blighty.

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  148. @This is ridiculous
    I read a sensible position elsewhere, from a lawyer:

    Don't try to bring race "hate crimes" into this process. It will just make it harder to prosecute the accused, more to prove.

    It's my understanding that "hate crimes" were mostly designed to help and enhance criminal proceedings against whites and they're harder to use them to prosecute blacks. Let the media boil the race stuff, treat the crime itself as a violent crime involving torture. Assuming all of this isn't a stunt… A sick stunt.

    It’s my understanding that “hate crimes” were mostly designed to help and enhance criminal proceedings against whites and they’re harder to use them to prosecute blacks.

    The first part is true; the second part is obviously false.

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  149. Pericles says:
    @kihowi
    My prediction is that this is going to be a trend for a while. The media will gleefully report on it as instructions on what to do, then when it turns out this redpills too many people, suddenly going quiet.

    But what if the special needs man had turned out to be a NYT journalist?

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  150. Anon7 says:
    @Big Bill
    Your straw man is silly. I recognize that those residing in America do not comprise a "Nation", but several nations, several cultures, each with its own cultural norms.

    Unless and until you stop trying to turn Negros (and Mexicans, and Muslims) into ersatz white folks, you will bankrupt yourself.

    It's not that "sadism" isn't wrong (from a white perspective), its that the Negro community doesn't really see this as sadism. When a pit bull is let off its leash and savages passersby is it "sadistic" or "evil"?

    As Don Lemon said earlier today, these kids aren't "evil", they are just poorly trained. I do not think of these kids as "evil" any more than I think pit-bulls are "evil". It's just their nature, that's all.

    The US Supreme Court addressed this issue in Atkins v. Virginia when it held that a mentally deficient (though brutal) black murderer could not be executed for his crimes since his mental deficiency made it impossible for him to truly understand the moral significance of his acts and be held fully humanly responsible for his crimes. The NAACP applauded this decision.

    Recently, the Supreme Court revised Atkins and decided that a black murderer with an IQ of 70 couldn't be treated as fully human and morally responsible.

    As Dr. James Thompson explains elsewhere on unz.com, fully 16% of blacks are below 70 ... as opposed to 1 out of 50 whites.

    So please, recognize their fundamentally limited moral and intellectual capacity, stop applying white standards of behavior to them, and just avoid them.

    As far as your comment that"[n]o society can function with people like this roaming about", I disagree. Consider Libya, Pakistan, India, Iraq, Somalia, Yemen, Syria, New Guinea, the Congo et al.. Fortunately, we "segregate" ourselves from them with immigration laws.

    “…fully 16% of blacks are below 70 [IQ]”

    Apparently it gets worse in urban areas where there has been black flight under modern conditions in which jobs mostly go to people with higher cognitive ability. This happened in Baltimore where the remaining inner city blacks have about 30% of children with IQs below 70, based on standardized testing.

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  151. @Big Bill
    Your straw man is silly. I recognize that those residing in America do not comprise a "Nation", but several nations, several cultures, each with its own cultural norms.

    Unless and until you stop trying to turn Negros (and Mexicans, and Muslims) into ersatz white folks, you will bankrupt yourself.

    It's not that "sadism" isn't wrong (from a white perspective), its that the Negro community doesn't really see this as sadism. When a pit bull is let off its leash and savages passersby is it "sadistic" or "evil"?

    As Don Lemon said earlier today, these kids aren't "evil", they are just poorly trained. I do not think of these kids as "evil" any more than I think pit-bulls are "evil". It's just their nature, that's all.

    The US Supreme Court addressed this issue in Atkins v. Virginia when it held that a mentally deficient (though brutal) black murderer could not be executed for his crimes since his mental deficiency made it impossible for him to truly understand the moral significance of his acts and be held fully humanly responsible for his crimes. The NAACP applauded this decision.

    Recently, the Supreme Court revised Atkins and decided that a black murderer with an IQ of 70 couldn't be treated as fully human and morally responsible.

    As Dr. James Thompson explains elsewhere on unz.com, fully 16% of blacks are below 70 ... as opposed to 1 out of 50 whites.

    So please, recognize their fundamentally limited moral and intellectual capacity, stop applying white standards of behavior to them, and just avoid them.

    As far as your comment that"[n]o society can function with people like this roaming about", I disagree. Consider Libya, Pakistan, India, Iraq, Somalia, Yemen, Syria, New Guinea, the Congo et al.. Fortunately, we "segregate" ourselves from them with immigration laws.

    Just because people are stupid doesn’t mean they have to be evil. Those punks tormenting that guy knew it was wrong. Were they high on something? Not that that would exonerate them in any way. But it does impede the conscience.

    Perhaps you’re saying that stupid=evil.

    And you can’t compare people to dogs. Dogs don’t have moral agency, people do. Even the really dull ones. The murderer in Atkins had destroyed what little judgment he had with drugs and alcohol, but still the legal system moved mightily to figure out the appropriate way to deal with him. That wouldn’t happen with the dog. Someone would just shoot it and no one would say anything.

    Maybe my conclusion is that stupid people (all people?) need to be kept away from drugs (and most alcohol) with all diligence.

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  152. Kylie says:
    @Lagertha
    This IS A MAJOR-CHANGER/A major narrative, a BLM/SJW napalm bomb to fire at their pompousness, finally. Finally something truly depraved and venal happens that these "progressives" can't bullshit themselves out of! They need to squirm big time, the whole lotta them. It's monumentally ironic that the young man/boy is autistic. Oh snap, for those idiots who tortured him.

    When I have time, I will do an OT about WTF gave the victory to Trump. BUT shit, this IS part of the idea of mine.

    This is so inhumane that even the many animals who I "deal with," with; ASPCA/Humane Society/Rescue groups in the 50 states, are animals, no human beings. And, this autistic young man is traumatized for life; unlike the dogs I have rehabbed, who still can be loving despite the abuse by bad humans. I want these perps to go to jail for 60 years...they are in Big League with Charles Manson. I mean, who does this to another human being? or a child/dog/cat/horse/bunny/pet of some kind? These 4 have no soul or right to live, in my opinion. They need to be banished because psychopaths need to be separated from the rest of the population. There is no redemption for psychopaths.

    “This is so inhumane that even the many animals who I ‘deal with,’ with; ASPCA/Humane Society/Rescue groups in the 50 states, are animals, no human beings. And, this autistic young man is traumatized for life; unlike the dogs I have rehabbed, who still can be loving despite the abuse by bad humans.”

    I’m not directly involved in animal rescue work but I do help some rescue groups financially and by sharing on Facebook.

    I’m curious if we know any of the same rescuers and/or rescue groups. Any names you would care to mention?

    Wrt dogs being rehabbed, I recommend watching Kyle Schwab’s YouTube videos to the people here who think all “aggressive” dogs should be put down. I have learned a tremendous amount from him, including how to prevent fights between my two female bullies. I know for a fact that one good pittie is alive today because I used Kyle’s ideas to prevent her owner euthanizing her.

    Too bad humane euthanasia is not an option for these four savages. Their behavior is deplorable and I’m sure they are irredeemable.

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  153. Lagertha says:

    I was very stirred up by this assault on this young man – it mirrored some experiences dogs I know, have experienced. And, to answer some questions: I do not believe in aggressive breed banishment at all – but, people need to be educated on the different temperaments of dogs, in general. German Shepherds, for instance, have a herding and protective instinct that makes it difficult to know if it will suddenly go after my son’s bf who is 6 years old and wielding a stick like a light sabre.

    I have had pitts, rotties, labs, shepherds, wolfhounds (Irish, Russian, Greys) one small terrier, and crosses, mostly XL dogs. Only 2 were less trust-worthy, so kept them in private space when bands of kids were running in the woods at our house, sticks lead to light sabres, Airsoft, laser guns w/ night goggles – so glad that’s all over now.

    I don’t think any average family should get something other than a retriever or a beagle, since the defense/prey/herding instinct is so strong in the supposed “bad breeds.” Several of my dogs were badly abused and neglected/thrown out of cars, etc…yet, only 2 of 7 would get nervous outside of family members, beyond our property. Single people, or older couples w/no kids, are freed-up to adopt any breed, so long as they know the temperament, or know what it takes to rehab. For instance, I fostered a Bullmastiff (135lbs!) who was such a gentle giant; but had huge anxiety issues and had chewed through a wall in his former owner’s NYC apt. This dog was totally fine once he had the company of a little ole’ terrier. The giant breeds are better with companion dogs (Dane, St. Bernard’s, etc).

    I adopt old dogs (last 20 years; last 42 for dogs, in general….almost adopted an old horse; the only time my husband pleaded with me, “please don’t,” only bc my sons were toddlers and babies-too much.

    I think there should be aggressive sterilization of dogs & cats because too many unscrupulous (bad, lazy, crazy, stupid) people get into the “breeding business,” thinking it’s easy money, without wanting to bear the costs of vet care/early puppy care….talking about puppy mill women (yes, sadly, my age-group; middle-aged, are the worst offenders; and the Amish), and urban pit-bull breeders in the drug culture, unscrupulous hunters. Dog show people can be assholes, too – the breed-specific “rescues” are just a dumping ground by, once again, middle-aged women, who get rid of their old, multiple litter producing AKC females – it’s disgusting. I’ve verbally eviscerated one wealthy, white-haired lady who was dumping very old and sick females onto unsuspecting adopters (lying about their age and needs)….I kinda’ doxed her in the dog world!

    Licenses to breed dogs should be strictly restricted. It should be made prohibitively expensive, and, they should pay high taxes every year (like in Finland) on their “business,” so all jerks would be knocked out. There should be inspections of facilities, yearly, by local police. Dog breeding should go back to the provenance of wealthy, waspy, horsey women who live in the country…and are devoted to their dogs/cats…that’s the way it was in the 60′s.

    I support HUA in Nebraska, Best Friends Sanctuary in Utah, many organizations in New England, including big ones like ASPCA & Humane. In the 70′s when I adopted my first shelter pup, there were only 2 ASPCA’s in my east coast state! Now there are hundreds if not thousands of orgs, bc I am also counting our urban State Animal Control centers. It’s so sad.

    btw, sometimes there are more squabbles with 2 females than 2 males. The best is to have one alpha female (can be any size) and the rest are males. She still calls the shots, even if she is a dachsund :)! I usually start with a pair that seemingly get a long; there still can be fights, then adjustment…and, next I introduce (usually a beta) a third. I am dogless right now, and I have to wait until I get through several months until I can start up again. Tough to go through winter without my furbabies – the last one that died was just the toughest..

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  154. Jefferson says:

    Black Twitter show that their hearts are as Black as their skin in regards to how they feel about the hate crime in Chicago.

    https://www.google.com/amp/heatst.com/culture-wars/twitter-radicals-exonerate-black-teens-who-tortured-young-white-man-in-chicago/amp/

    ““white people cannot suffer racism, it’s an actual impossibility if you understand WTF racism is”.

    “You’re acting like white folks haven’t been doing this to [People of Color] throughout history, but now a Caucasian man gets attacked and it’s suddenly wahala. You can’t pick and choose like that,”

    “Calm down my white friends… your white privilege is showing.”

    ““Hmmm…lets see what white people are fake outraged over this morning”

    “The abduction and torture of a young man happened because none of you racists understand that black lives matter.”

    “black people die at the hands of white terrorists everyday. stfu.”

    The Black people die at the hands of White terrorists everyday is pure bullshit because there are no FBI statistics that back up that claim.

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  155. Kylie says:

    Thanks for the reply. Agree with everything you say, especially the importance of spay/neuter and dog breeding being very strictly regulated. Unfortunately there simply isn’t the public awareness needed to get laws passed and enforced.

    I know two females are not the best combo. But we got our second female, an EB, from Craig’s List. She’d been badly neglected and I wanted to get her away from her owners. We did a meet and greet and the dogs got along on neutral territory. Our OEB is a treat and toy thief. Otherwise they get along pretty well. The trouble with the bull breeds is you often end up with a less than desirable mix just because they need a good home. No way would I have left our EB in her former home.

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