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In the U.S., local cops have an admirable record of not falling for many Hate Hoaxes.

Most Hate Hoaxes that are promoted in the media aren’t elaborate False Flags diagrammed by professionals in Deep State command centers to be bulletproof, they are just stupid improvisations by stupid people that usually fall apart once cops ask their basic cop questions.

Even before the rise of Hate Hoaxes, American cops were used to dealing with BS allegations all the time: e.g., dumb people often try to frame their ex-spouse’s new significant other or whatever. The cops show up, ask the kind of questions they are trained to ask, the story falls apart, and that’s the end of it.

Journalists have opposite motivations: they want more stories, while cops want fewer stories to have to deal with. For example, in the audio tapes of Jackie Coakley and Sabrina Rubin Erdely discussing the UVA fraternity gang rape on broken glass initiation ritual they were alleging, Jackie can never settle upon the name of the fraternity house, and blithely agrees with whatever Sabrina suggests at the moment.

To a cop, this kind of thing is a red flag. Cops don’t want to have more work than they need to.

But to Erdely, who was getting paid $175,000 per year by Rolling Stone to report stories that illustrated Obama Administration initiatives, it was apparently easy to spin a rationalization in her head for why her sole source is completely unreliable about which of the large, prominently labeled buildings on the edge of campus was where she was sexually tortured for 3 hours on broken glass.

On the other hand, cops in Britain appear fairly enthusiastic about persecuting violations of political correctness in social media or somebody saying something rude on a bus. Those are somewhat different than Hate Hoaxes of course. Do British cops do a good job of unraveling Hate Hoaxes?

 
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  1. 22pp22 says:

    There is one quality you really need to be a cop – courage.

    It is a quality that British cops conspicuously lack.

    If they arrest someone for writing something Islamophobic on Facebook, they are unlikely to be thumped or be disciplined themselves.

    People with courage are weeded out in the selection process.

    The higher ranks of the UK Police are more and more filled with professional Lesbians. Cressida Dick is not alone. The worst excuse for a cop is the ‘woman’ in charge of the police in Nottingham. She has an obsession with treating wolf whistling as a hate crime.

    NZ cops are not as bad. Our local Maori-boy policeman has a very proactive way of deterring anyone stupid enough to try selling drugs on his patch.

    German cops are bully boys and they always seem far shorter than ordinary Germans.

  2. J.Ross says: • Website

    Much greater politicization of the force. American cops are police, British cops are an arm of the state, ideologically as well as practically. Much smaller number and much more centralized. American sherriffs were prominent anti-establishment critics in the mid and late Obama administration because the office of “sherriff” has a unique, deliberate structural removal, it’s not just a word for “rural cop.” Do Brits (who of course originated the office) still have anything like sherriffs?
    David Peace’s leftist paranoid pedo-ring tetrology Red Riding spends on lot of time on police organization conformity.

  3. AndrewR says:

    It’s no surprise that 1984 was written by an English man. Orwell had a keen insight into the English psyche, which in the current year manifests itself by treating cat calling as worse than the sexual trafficking of thousands of English girls by Pakistani Moslems for decades.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  4. J.Ross says: • Website
    @22pp22

    Maybe: communism. In the Soviet Union police obviously suffered from the worst tendencies of bad leftist organizational brain-shrinking, like a religious cult but secular. But it appeared to be a functioning if warped system until the 70s and 80s, when Soviets discovered that serial killing was not purely a function of Western decadence. Their police were not very useful in catching non-ideological criminals. In some cases the bad guys were cops. And there’s absolutely no way of establishing for certain if things like this were going on earlier. One case of this is dramatized in the excellent but brutal movie Gruz [Cargo Type] 200, an earlier one is touched upon and inspires Edward Topol’s novel Red Snow.
    English policemen attacking the parents of rape victims would appear to be much the same phenomenon in a better economic situation. You get exactly the cops that you train, plan, and pay for.

  5. donut says:
    @J.Ross

    Scott Israel the sheriff of Broward County is a sheriff .

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  6. Sid says:

    It is striking how Orwellian the British police are.

    Remember, in 1984, the High Inner Party largely ignores the Low proles and focuses all of its oppression on the Middle Outer Party.

    We’re seeing this, where the Low (non-white underclass in Britain) is given free rein, while the High (the politicians) spend their time dividing and prosecuting the white Brits who could conceivably kick out both the High and Low out and enjoy a civilized Britain.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  7. Trevor H. says:

    If you want to get banned permanently from almost any MSM website, simply suggest the possible existence of hate-crime hoaxes.

    In their world, no such thing exists, and hence you can’t either.

  8. In the U.S., local cops have an admirable record of not falling for many Hate Hoaxes.

    They’ve developed a hard cynicism over the years. Decades. Centuries. They’re not “Bobbies on bicycles, two by two.”

    WSJ video has a piece on “deepfake” videos and their constant improvement– helped along by Bay Area academics, of course.

    Get ready for much more elaborate Hate Hoaxes. It won’t just be the losers and whiners pasting the yearbook pic of the homecoming queen that spurned them into “morphporn” apps.

    Steve could be the political counterpart of Noelle Martin.

  9. @22pp22

    “There is one quality you really need to be a cop – courage.”

    Yeah, all those overweight female POC on the Chicago Police dept really bring the word courage to mind.

  10. Clyde says:

    For London’s multicultural police and security forces in action see Bodyguard 2018 series on Netflix or some other way. It is high powered and slick. Lots of high tech tracking. Richard Madden is very good and same for Keeley Hawes. Must filter out a lot but it is still good.
    Filled with corrupt top ministers conspiring against each other.

    • Replies: @Forbes
  11. Polynikes says:

    American cops aren’t perfect, but they have a long history of dealing with culturally different groups and the accompanying race hustles.

  12. I don’t get the impression Hate Hoaxes are quite such a thing in the UK, but our government and media hardly make them necessary. For example, I recall that the list of hate crimes in 2005 didn’t include the 2005 tube bombings, with 56 dead and several hundred injured.

    The easiest Hate Hoaxes to perpetrate involve no swastikas on walls or self-inflicted physical injury. AFAIK organisations for Muslims (‘TellMama’) and Jews which monitor “hate crime” rely on reports submitted online or by phone. There aren’t investigations, but the BBC and Guardian will quote their reports as fact.

    I can only remember two ‘discovered’ hate hoaxes, both ten years old or more. In one, a young black man was found with burn injuries in Oxfordshire, and said he’d been set ablaze by a carload of youths. This was not only major news, but in Parliament the then Liberal Party leader Charles Kennedy raised the incident.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/racism-forces-out-fire-attack-victim-281780.html

    It eventually transpired the victim had been trying to torch a stolen car and set himself ablaze in the process.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/car-thief-jailed-for-racist-attack-lie-zbd6h96lntb

    Then there was the Sikh boy who was held down by four white youths, punched in the face and all his hair cut off.

    The boy from Edinburgh reported the alleged racist attack in November and the case was widely publicised. The cutting of his hair was an act which was seen as deeply insulting to the Sikh faith.

    More than 200 Sikhs from around the UK gathered in Edinburgh to hold a two-hour prayer vigil following the boy’s claims. Hair is a religious symbol for Sikhs and it is strictly against their faith to have it shorn.

    Lothian and Borders Police mounted a large-scale investigation into the youngster’s claims, setting up a dedicated text service and email address for people to contact them and also visiting local high schools.

    I remember it well. Those racist white youths!

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/6207509.stm

    But it is understood that when officers spoke to the boy again, he told them he had done it himself. The teenager is believed to have had personal problems and was also having cultural identity issues brought about by differences between his Sikh upbringing and Western society.

    A police spokeswoman said: “The boy has expressed deep regret for what he has done.

    That’s alright then!

  13. L Woods says:
    @22pp22

    The higher ranks of the UK Police are more and more filled with professional Lesbians. Cressida Dick is not alone. The worst excuse for a cop is the ‘woman’ in charge of the police in Nottingham. She has an obsession with treating wolf whistling as a hate crime.

    Sounds like the US military.

    https://www.wdsu.com/article/we-are-equals-maryland-national-guard-makes-history-with-all-women-command-staff/24454237

    The upcoming war with Russia (and China, and North Korea, and Iran, and the next hundred years of chasing Al Qaeda) is gonna be lit.

  14. …it’s not just a word for “rural cop.”

    It means “shire reeve”, and every county should have one. Even counties that are nothing more than cities:

    https://www.sfsheriff.com/

    http://www.officeofphiladelphiasheriff.com/

    https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/departments/sheriff/

    https://norfolk-sheriff.com/

    https://www.vbso.net/

    https://www.flsheriffs.org/sheriffs/bio/miami-dade-county

    The counties that make up New York City don’t list their URLs, assuming they even have any.

    New York County Sheriff’s Department
    Joseph Fucito, Sheriff
    66 John Street, 13th Floor
    New York, NY 10038
    Telephone: (212) 487-9734
    Fax: (212) 487-5567

    Kings County Sheriff’s Department
    Joseph Fucito, Sheriff
    Brooklyn Municipal Building
    210 Joralemon Street, 9th Floor
    Brooklyn, NY 11201
    Telephone: (718) 802-3545
    Fax: (718) 802-3715

    Queens County Sheriff’s Department
    Joseph Fucito, Sheriff
    30-10 Starr Avenue
    Long Island City, NY 11101
    Telephone: (718) 610-0448
    Telephone: (718) 610-0454

    Richmond County Sheriff’s Department
    Joseph Fucito, Sheriff
    Staten Island Business Center
    350 Saint Marks Avenue, Room 409
    Staten Island, NY 10301
    Telephone: (718) 815-8407
    Fax: (718) 815-8416

    New York City Sheriff’s Department / Bronx County Division
    Joseph Fucito, Sheriff
    Bronx Customer Service Center
    3030 Third Avenue, 2nd Floor
    Bronx, NY 10455
    Telephone: (718) 993-3880
    Fax: (718) 993-3116

  15. J.Ross says: • Website
    @donut

    True but he (and Broward County) are very unique. When Obama saw the sherriff challenge he tried a couple of responses and one was seeking to set up his own loyal bloc. I think they talk about this a bit in “Don’t Tread On Me.” The most famous dissident sherriff is Arpaio but there were less famous ones who lacked or eschewed Arpaio’s theatrics.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  16. J.Ross says: • Website
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Perhaps not meatspace hoaxing but British police departments have been boasting about going after cyberbullies and online “racists.”

    • Replies: @Pericles
  17. @MikeatMikedotMike

    My wife knew a black lady who became a Chicago policewoman. The new copette said the calls they got were just ridiculous. For example, she and her partner got called in to somebody’s house to decide which channel the residents should watch on their TV. The denizens couldn’t agree on anything other than to call the cops to come over and decide for them which show to watch.

  18. Lowe says:

    Are there any examples of UK cops falling for hate hoaxes?

  19. A few years ago the UK police abolished the minimum height rule for new policemen – it used to be 6 foot. The reasoning was that the height rule excluded certain minorities … “police should reflect the community and the height regulation means that Chinatown etc is not patrolled by Chinese”

    Anyway, since then I’ve noticed a lot of short policemen. Short people in power have a certain mentality, more interested social control than policing.. imagine the powertrip – you’ve been short all your life, looking up to people, and now you finally get to be boss. And they’re bureaucratic. Almost feminised you could say. Soon you have a whole army of people who want to police what you say to make up for when they were bullied in the playground.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
  20. My brother-in-law is a cop in England. (My niece is also a Lesbocop in counter-terrorism.) If you lose your job as a cop in England, it is pretty much impossible to get hired by another force, whereas in the US, you just go a few miles down the road and get a new gun and walkie-talkie.

    A cop in England who does not follow policy directives from above will be fired and then will have no alternative occupation but to follow a life of crime or work in an Amazon warehouse. On the other hand the standard US cop excuse of “He was looking daggers at me, so I shot him in self defense” would not fly in the UK. Not at all.

    Britain is very volatile and much more likely to break out in mass riots if the police are believed to overstep the mark, so the police are always on tippytoes. Rather than shoot someone on the spot for resisting arrest and start a riot, they are more likely to track him down and kick down the door of his home at 5:00 a.m. and arrest him naked. In any case they do not carry guns unless specially issued when in pursuit of a criminal known to be armed and dangerous.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    , @J.Ross
    , @bomag
    , @TWS
  21. BenKenobi says:
    @Sid

    “When your police are pathetic and useless but you still live in a nightmare police state”
    - unionjackmemeball.jpg

  22. Svigor says:

    The country’s still rather hideously white, by American standards. They have to make the most of the small amount of fabric they’re given.

    • Replies: @Anon
  23. @AndrewR

    It’s no surprise that 1984 was written by an English man. Orwell had a keen insight into the English psyche

    Orwell was a former police officer who had held high-level positions in the Burmah Colonial Police force and in his early 20′s had been in charge of security and anti-terrorism at one of the biggest oil refineries in the British empire. He also once shot an elephant that had run amok.

    Orwell served as a volunteer in the Spanish Civil war and was shot through the throat.

    He learned about propaganda when he was hired by the BBC during World War II to broadcast on short wave radio to India.

    So he knew a thing or two about law enforcement.

    • Replies: @AKAHorace
  24. D. K. says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    “Rather than shoot someone on the spot for resisting arrest and start a riot, they are more likely to track him down and kick down the door of his home at 5:00 a.m. and arrest him naked.”

    Perhaps the fact that the police in the U.K. are less likely to shoot the suspects whom they encounter than are the police in America is somehow connected to the fact that the former “do not carry guns unless specially issued when in pursuit of a criminal known to be armed and dangerous.” (Well, that and the fact that criminals are often armed with guns in America, but seldom armed with them in the U.K.) Just a theory, mind you….

  25. On the other hand, cops in Britain appear fairly enthusiastic about persecuting violations of political correctness in social media or somebody saying something rude on a bus. Those are somewhat different than Hate Hoaxes of course. Do British cops do a good job of unraveling Hate Hoaxes?

    I’ve never thought about this before before but perhaps the Hate Hoax just doesn’t get any traction in Europe because hate speech laws mean that you don’t need to bother finding actual hate crimes – you can simply prosecute offensive speech, so why go to the bother of framing someone and why bother reporting a flimsy story that might fall apart. This story about “Britain’s most PC PC[Police Constable]” gives you a flavour of how things work on this side of the Atlantic:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4785532/Britain-s-PC-PC-faces-ridicule.html

    Offhand, I cannot think of a single Hate Hoax in Ireland or the UK and if I was to hazard a guess, it’s because, with stories like the above, there really isn’t a gap in the market. I suppose it does give you a sort of Columbus Egg solution to the Hate Hoax problem – abolish free speech.

    • Replies: @blake121666
  26. Big Bill says:
    @J.Ross

    Broward County is way Jewish, and Scott Israel is the kind of way Jewish sheriff they want, God bless ‘em.

    When the county voters are crazy, you will have a crazy local sheriff.

  27. AKAHorace says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Orwell was also, very briefly, a political prisoner in Catalonia.

  28. Forbes says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Overweight female POC seems to be the norm in NYC. In fact the public employee workforce seems solely comprised of overweight female POC.

    Once 15 years ago, cycling in Central Park (weekday daytime, no vehicle traffic) I was “pulled over” by a female cop (driving a 3-wheel scooter) for transiting a crosswalk while a pedestrian was crossing. She was young-ish, small, thin (fit), and white. A complete novelty to this day.

    • Replies: @Fred Boynton
  29. Big Bill says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I wish they truly were “ridiculous”.

    When likkered-up negroes start arguing about the remote control and call the police, they are not joking. They are deadly serious.

    Black folks get stabbed and shot to death for much less.

  30. TheBoom says:

    Cops don’t want to have more work than they need to.

    I have marketed and helped sell tech to US police departments and have a lot of experience with direct marketing and sales to international companies. My experience has taught me:

    1. The top rung is heavily motivated by whatever metrics that their huge salaries and bonuses are dependent upon achieving.

    2. Everyone else mainly wants their lives to be easier – including both the police and the press – and take their cues from those above to see what to focus on and how little they can get by with accomplishing.

    3. Cops in the US are primarily focused on getting their pension then “double dipping” by getting another government job with yet another pension. To do this they take their cues from the upper brass and take the easiest approach they can get by with while waiting for their pension. If this means diligent police work, they do that but no more than necessary. If it means letting antifa beat up Trump rally attendees, they do that.

    4. Cops develop a real BS detector because they spend all day having people lie to them. Consequently, they often just assume someone is lying, the opposite of what journalists do when they are tracking something that can fit in the approved narrative and please their bosses, peers and future employers. Like Mulder they want to believe.

    I don’t have direct experience with the UK police but the whole Home Office and police seem to be saturated with SJW as seen by the priority given online hate speech and not arresting child grooming gangs out of fear of being racist. If you apply what I wrote about US police to the UK, focusing on the right hate hoaxes and ignoring the wrong crime make perfect sense and someone would have to be willing to sabotage their career and make their life harder to do otherwise

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  31. J.Ross says: • Website

    Grauniad Op-Ed: Stop saying Trump is Hitler when the irreligious Manhattan businessman is clearly Jefferson Davis

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/04/the-american-civil-war-didnt-end-and-trump-is-a-confederate-president

    If you are white, you could consider that the civil war ended in 1865. But the blowback against Reconstruction, the rise of Jim Crow, the myriad forms of segregation and deprivation of rights and freedoms and violence against black people, kept the population subjugated and punished into the present in ways that might as well be called war.

    I mean what do words even mean anyway, man; how can phonemes be meaningful if nouns aren’t real?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @bomag
  32. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    Sheriff is the last remaining elective office, possibly other than some governorships in the Sun Belt, that requires catering to (or being compromised by) a wide partisan spectrum of nuisance interest groups. The job allows massive opportunities for favor-bank graft and corruption in populous counties, e.g. Los Angeles. Particularly in rural milieux was the sheriff not customarily considered an effective or honorable upholder of equality before the law, as a rich tradition of American lit attests. In contrast urban police departments were much better liked by TV and movies, up to about the time of “The Wire” anyway.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  33. songbird says:

    I wonder whether there could be some legacy difference that has carried into and influenced the current year politics. Like how, British cops often did not carry guns, but American ones often did.

    My favorite one was from a few years back was when cops found burnt spray paint cans in the garbage of a suburban home that was tagged with racist graffiti. That was in Taxachusetts.

  34. Couldn’t it be because if word gets out that they let off anybody accused of a “hate crime,” (inciting racial hatred, I believe is the technical name for the “crime”), no matter how preposterous the allegation, they’ll be accused of aiding and abetting the crime themselves? Isn’t this sort of what happened with the grooming gang business?

  35. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jonathan Mason

    There’s a story about growing unrest in a northern town between Roma and Pakistani communities, among other things, “divided by litter.”
    I would have thought litter united them …

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/03/roma-tire-shouldering-blame-boiling-pot-communities

  36. Forbes says:
    @Clyde

    Agreed. Well written, well played. Much better than I expected. The story line of these programs are usually filled to suffocation with PC crap and SJW themes–this was better than most current productions.

    Yet, if you assumed the actual security services looked like the players on-screen, it would be about 10-20% white males, with 80-90% filled out with POC and females. Other than lead Richard Madden, all the other main cop roles are filled with women or POC.

    While the story/mystery/drama is well done, the production is a jobs program for women and POC actors.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  37. Marty says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I witnessed a one-punch fountain of blood over a TV-channel dispute in college in 1978. But the cops weren’t called. The victim became a millionaire and a three-term congressman.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  38. L Woods says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    Short men (anecdotally) seem more likely to be liberals. Power trippers if in power, suck ups if not.

    • Agree: Fred Boynton
  39. @Irish Paleo

    You might be right with this. I was blown away when hearing of the Isle of Wight pub singer who was arrested for singing the song Kung Fu Fighting!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1380971/Simon-Ledger-arrested-racism-performing-Kung-Fu-Fighting.html

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  40. dearieme says:
    @22pp22

    “There is one quality you really need to be a cop – courage.”

    You must be thinking of that youtube of a cowardly policeman murdering a poor snivelling wretch who was crawling along a hotel corridor.

  41. Anonymous[256] • Disclaimer says:

    “… about in which …”
    Fix please

  42. J.Ross says: • Website

    I think this is fake (the site is apparently real and is a nothing clickbait blog) but it’s funny.
    “People understand that to change the future we have to change the past: transgenders in the military are a reality, all our programming must reflect that” Tony Hall – Director-General of the BBC

    https://postimg.cc/jCDpdYpn

  43. Dtbb says:

    OT: Steve, the Republican party of Florida may have been heeding your advice concerning affordable family formation. Anti Bill Nelson ad shows four generations of women from great grandma to newborn talking at the table wondering what exactly Nelson has done or accomplished. Great granny pipes up that Nelson has voted to lower her social security and raised her medicare payments. The granddaughter, while looking at her child, says “I won’t support anyone that makes it harder on us”.

  44. notanon says:

    i wonder what the relative numbers are – also aren’t a lot of US hate hoaxes on college campuses

    somehow connected to affirmative action?

    UK colleges haven’t been diverse for long and i don’t think there’s any official AA yet?

  45. @J.Ross

    Do Brits (who of course originated the office) still have anything like sherriffs?

    There are still sheriffs in England, but they are ceremonial officers, representatives of the sovereign in a county, rather than law enforcement officers. In the days when capital punishment prevailed, it was one of the sheriff’s duties to take delivery of a condemned man from the governor of a prison, then to turn him over to the hangman, and see that the sentence of the court was carried out. Even after executions became private, conducted within prison walls, this ceremonial aspect continued, and the sheriff or undersheriff was always present on such occasions.

    In Scotland, a sheriff is a type of judge, and is not a law enforcement officer.

    The elective nature of the sheriff’s office in the United States is what makes it uniquely American. I went to college in Tennessee longer ago than I care to remember, and recall a story that was circulating at the time. According to it, there was a rural county in the state whose sheriff was alleged to turn a blind eye to moonshining in his jurisdiction. One of the Nashville papers – the Tennessean, I think, and not the Banner – sent a reporter to investigate.

    He interviewed the sheriff, who told him, “Son, you must know that I am an elected official. My job is to give my constituents all the law enforcement they want.”

    There spoke a wise man.

  46. Anonymous[287] • Disclaimer says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    Yes, clearly Britain being a police state is the result of a conspiracy by short people. What is it with you people and your obsessive preoccupation with height?

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
  47. @Steve Sailer

    My godfather was a Chicago cop on the west side for 31 years. (He was almost thrown over the upper deck railing at the Disco Destruction in the 70′s.) One of his sons and nephews are both CPD. While i could spend at least an hour writing out all of the insane things I have heard from them about working the job, they all confirm one thing: the only thing female cops want to do is write traffic tickets and get lunch.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  48. @Anonymous

    American police departments tended to improve after WWII veterans came back and demanded a fair shot at the jobs that had been held by guys who’d managed not to have to fight.

    E.g., LAPD hired a Marine general, William Parker, to professionalize what had been a pretty ramshackle and crooked organization. Of course, a lot of people don’t like the foreboding, not very friendly institution that emerged from the postwar reforms, but you can hardly deny that Parker wasn’t effective at making over the LAPD.

    • Replies: @anon
  49. The most militant white gentile enforcers of PC tend to be people with pretty limited interaction with non-whites. In England all the diversity is relatively new, so it could be a case of just not getting it. When your knowledge of blacks and muslims largely comes from academia and media you probably ask a lot less questions about whether or not nigel farage actually took a dump on your hijab after ripping it off of you.

  50. Lurker says:
    @J.Ross

    Police in the UK have become more and more centralised, even nominal local oversight being whittled away.

    For example; there used to be around 30 police forces in Scotland alone. Under caring, sharing left/liberal SNP control that has become only one – Police Scotland. (The name even sounds like a private security company rather than a public service). With any last vestige of local input removed they can settle down to the vital task of prioritising important bits of social engineering rather than all that tiresome crime fighting nonsense that local politicians and citizens would insist on trying to burden them with.

  51. @J.Ross

    Trump’s big Electoral College breakthrough was carrying those notorious Old Confederate states Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. Can’t get much more Deep South than the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.

    • Replies: @JLK
    , @Reg Cæsar
  52. Anon[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    The country is becoming brown . That is the fault of Jews , I imagined.
    Svigor~2018

    • Replies: @Svigor
  53. JLK says:
    @Steve Sailer

    It went unsaid, but Trump’s overperformance with respect to predictions was quite congruent with the German-American belt of the Midwest. Generally a fairly educated, slightly left of center group that isn’t often (if ever) discussed as a voting bloc.

    I was wondering at the time if the Germanophobic “Drumpf” memes emanating from some sources might have ticked a few people off.

  54. notanon says:

    the deep south of Canada

  55. @Marty

    Sigh … life was a lot easier back then. You only had 3 channels* to fight over, and you’d get enough exercise getting up to turn that knob to drain most of the fight outta ya’ … plus the weed.

    .
    .

    * Yeah, sure some of the snooty neighbors would tune in that PBS dealy way up in the Ultra High Frequency range, but that was a lot of work.

  56. @blake121666

    I can totally see why they did that. It’s that one line about “There was funky Billy Chin and little Sammy Chung” that’s just OVER THE LINE, PC-wise. That stereotyping of unsuccessful assimilation is too much – it should have been “funky Tyler Chin and little Connor Chung”… that’d be OK.

  57. When you’re young and idealistic and don’t really have to struggle with the burden of earning your own bread in the world—or when you’re simply far removed from a certain set of events—it’s easy to look at others with a certain disdain and to imagine how much better you would be at walking in their shoes. But when you actually have to deal with entrenched bureaucracies and power structures, there are a lot of limits to what you can accomplish.

    From an outsider’s perspective, any organization seems to be rife with what looks like meaningless and feckless pageantry, inefficiencies, and stale if not zany ideas. No doubt a certain portion of this is due to human weaknesses, vices, and bad intentions, but that’s a separate subject. There is also an irreducible remainder of it which results directly from the mechanics of power itself, from competing interests all pushing their own legitimate agendas. But just as the seedlings in a forest have no choice but to grow in the spot where chance made them take root—whether the soil be stony or fair, in full sunlight or stifled by the shade of an old giant—this is the landscape in which you must exist. Whatever the nature of those power structures, they cannot simply be wished away. Only power can contend with power.

    I think American cops are about as hopeless as British cops, just in different ways. Here in America we can apparently do nothing to get rid of the violence and drugs that infest our inner cities. The police do not have the resources, nor would they have the political capital, to undertake the sort of scorched earth campaign it would take to hit “reset” on our socially dysfunctional elements. But these things can change, and change quickly. A new power structure can spring into being in short order once enough tension is built up in the old system. There are certain indications that England may reach that point even sooner than America.

    And as other commenters have mentioned, the chief difference between the two countries consists in the fact that while in America the hate hoax is an occasional albeit familiar weed that the police can often yank out, in England it’s more like the entire forest. While we’re pulling dandelions, they’re overrun with kudzu. The mandatory sensitivity to the complaints of aggrieved minorities is so much apart of the landscape there that the police may not even notice it anymore, let alone take any deliberate measures to mitigate it.

  58. @22pp22

    There is one quality you really need to be a cop – courage.

    It is a quality that British cops conspicuously lack.

    On the contrary. Being an unarmed cop takes a lot of courage.

    • Replies: @22pp22
  59. anon[315] • Disclaimer says:

    Hypothesis: the US has more crime than Britain, thus there is greater pressure on American police forces to hire serious men; British police services, meanwhile, are operating in a lower-crime environment (or at least one perceived as such) and thus can fanny about on Twitter safe in the knowledge that they aren’t ignoring anything too serious.

    Blogger Tim Newman has written a lot about the British police, but I don’t know if he’s quite figured out the “why?” of it. I think the general impression is that, whatever it is, it was either introduced or made worse by New Labour.

  60. @J.Ross

    “more centralized”

    I think this is the nub of it. Like many things, law enforcement conforms to the ur-pattern:

    decentralized & local = more conservative & common sensical = law & liberty

    centralized & global = more proggo & hysterical = whimsy & tyranny

    It is no coincidence that within the US, it is the centralized, national police, the FBI, who nowadays spend most of their time generating fraudulent indictments against the populist President and his cabinet while neglecting known terrorists and incipient mass killers.

    The Obama administration tried to de facto nationalize local police forces via exaggerated civil rights lawsuits, but they only made some headway in Ferguson, MO and a little bit in the Chicago of their erstwhile ally Rahm Emmanuel. It did have a broader chilling effect on municipal police forces nationally, but nothing like the management control the central government in the UK seems to be able to exert on local police forces.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  61. As long as the American citizenry is armed, the job of American Policeman will be a job that picks the man, instead of the other way around. The English style of cop will emerge when it’s safe for them to do so.

  62. @TheBoom

    I think the difference is that in the US, the top rung of (non-federal) law enforcement works either directly for the voters (sheriff) or for the mayor or governor elected by the voters (most everyone else). In the UK, the top rung of law enforcement reports to some sinister deep state flunky.

  63. @anon

    I wish there were a clip on Youtube from Danny Boyle’s pretty good movie “Millions” about the English policeman who addresses some suburban neighbors where he explains that, yes, they will have their homes burgled over Christmas and no, it’s not his job to either prevent or punish the criminals, it’s his job to give out your Crime Incident ID Number for filing your insurance claim after you’ve been burgled.

  64. bomag says:
    @J.Ross

    kept the population subjugated and punished into the present…

    No hyperbole is too extreme for this crowd.

    A problem with the Civil Rights movement is that the “victims” were asked what they wanted; promises of universal happiness were made; and thus the grievance never ends.

    The usual proceedings is that two sides of a disagreement make their case before a nominally neutral party, who then rules on the matter, and the two sides agree to abide by the ruling and move on.

    The grievance industry is far too lucrative.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  65. @anon

    I wish there were a clip on Youtube from Danny Boyle’s pretty good movie “Millions” about the English policeman who addresses some suburban neighbors where he explains that, yes, they will have their homes burgled over Christmas and no, it’s not his job to either prevent or punish the criminals, it’s his job to give out your Crime Incident ID Number for filing your insurance claim after you’ve been burgled.

    I’m your… Community Policeman

    Obviously there is no community here as yet, not to speak of, but you know…

    Anyway the first thing to say is, these new houses and Christmas coming up.

    Statistically, you’re going to get burgled. Now, not all of you, but some of you, soon. Probably this week, next.
    When you are, call me.
    I’ll give you a crime number
    and then you can make a claim
    on your insurance.

    But, I think this bit from the screenplay is missing a joke in the middle where one of the homeowners in the new subdivision asks if the policeman’s job is to prevent our homes from being burgled or to catch the burglars afterwards and the policeman says “Neither.”

    They probably added that bit while filming.

  66. Anonymous[278] • Disclaimer says:

    The British liberal/left’s first strategy for dealing with the Rotheram etc. sex scandals was to ignore them and pretend they didn’t exist.

    When that became untenable, they shifted to Plan B: Blame the police. Furious denunciations of the (white) police officers who failed to act against the abusers, even slanderously implying that they were enjoying the girls themselves. This accusation fell apart when it came out that the local police had indeed tried to raise alarm over the situation but had been overruled by the politicians (i.e. the Labour Party)

    Finally, they shifted to Plan C: Blame everyone. Everybody is raping children — politicians, policemen, pop stars, lawyers, TV presenters — everybody is at it, and so we mustn’t be judgemental about Muslims who do it as well.

  67. duncsbaby says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Sorry, but for some reason I got hung up on your abbreviation, CPD. I thought your acquaintances were dealing w/a disorder of some kind because the father was a cop.

    Compulsive-Power Disorder?

  68. @Steve Sailer

    Can’t get much more Deep South than the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.

    Looks like the Finns are still commie, but the Cornishmen not so much:

    How Whites Voted In The 2016 US Presidential Election by State & County

  69. Clyde says:
    @Forbes

    The opening was tremendous with the bomb on the train scene. Top police and security people knifing each other in the back. The PC nonsense was kept low enough to filter out. How about David Budd calling his female superiors Ma’am but it comes out as mom?

    • Replies: @Forbes
    , @Sam Malone
  70. anon[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    …LAPD hired a Marine general, William Parker…

    Captain, per Wikipedia.

    …to professionalize what had been a pretty ramshackle and crooked organization. Of course, a lot of people don’t like the foreboding, not very friendly institution that emerged from the postwar reforms, but you can hardly deny that Parker wasn’t effective at making over the LAPD.

    Effective? He made Dudley Smith a captain! That perfidious malfeasant…

  71. The UK police were politicised by the Blair regime using the MacPherson Report charge of Institutional Racism. That was 1998-99.

    However their detachment from local communities and ceasing to prevent crime was a culture shift from the late 1960s when the Home Office ended beat policing.

    Labour actually brought back small scale beat policing 2005-10 as the Safer Neighbourhood Teams, and crime fell despite minimal allocated resources. But the Tories abolished it again when they got in 2010 and crime went up again.

    • Agree: James N. Kennett
  72. Dan Hayes says:

    Simon in London:

    In agreement with you, the DM’s Peter Hitchens is constantly harping on the disastrous deleterious effects of beat cop removal in Britain.

  73. Pericles says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Hoaxes and other provocations are used to gauge the spirit of the group being attacked (let’s face it, whites, or white men, or straight white men). While the POCs have a couple of thousand paid-off bums ready to roll at any time, the only recent time I can remember angry whites taking to the streets was Tommy Robinson getting his four-minute trial. Which wasn’t even a hate hoax.

  74. Pericles says:
    @J.Ross

    British police departments have been boasting about going after cyberbullies and online “racists.”

    In all fairness, they also find the time in their busy working lives to prance about in homo parades.

    • Replies: @Fred Boynton
    , @Wilkey
  75. 22pp22 says:
    @PiltdownMan

    I am pleased to see that British policemen can be that brave and professional.

    My personal experience of the British police is that if you call them, they simply don’t appear.

  76. “Do British cops do a good job of unraveling Hate Hoaxes?”

    There are circa 900 police tasked with finding hate-speech on social media: not only do they not unravel hate hoaxes, rather they are probably unwittingly making them up themselves by blowing little things out of proportion.

  77. @anon

    “Hypothesis: the US has more crime than Britain, thus there is greater pressure on American police forces to hire serious men ….”

    Rest assured, the replacement population in the UK are doing their best to raise the level of vibrance in the UK to that of the US.

  78. Svigor says:
    @Anon

    Yeah, you’ve got a lot to do.

  79. @Forbes

    Most of the government, no matter which branch or department, has become the DMV (or whatever the Department of Motor Vehicles is called in your neck of the woods) even here in the Upper Midwest.

  80. @Pericles

    Given that they’re Brits, I’m sure they’re mixing business with pleasure.

  81. Wilkey says:
    @Pericles

    “In all fairness, they also find the time in their busy working lives to prance about in homo parades.”

    A few years ago the Salt Lake City PD fired an officer for *asking* not to have to ride in the vanguard at the front of the gay pride parade. The officer was perfectly willing to handie crowd control and anything else with the parade that actually involved doing actual police work.

    The city police chief, Chris Burbank, eventually was sacked (for different reasons). Salt Lake City now has a lesbian mayor and a huge homeless problem, but I’m sure the latter is completely unrelated to the attitudes of the SLCPD as to what is and is not their job.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
  82. @Steve Sailer

    she and her partner got called in to somebody’s house to decide which channel the residents should watch on their TV

    Did the New York Times nickname the woman who called the cops “Channel Chandelle”?

  83. Forbes says:
    @Clyde

    The British “Ma’am” always sounded “mum” to my ear.

  84. @MikeatMikedotMike

    So do those little 4′ 6″ 165 lb. female Squartemalan anchor baby cops that their John Wayne bad ass cop supervisors have to follow around all day long in my small Southern city.

  85. Ian M. says:

    My impression of UK cops when I’ve been there is that they are much less authoritative as well as less intimidating than U.S. cops.

    Which probably has both pros and cons.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  86. @Wilkey

    The homeless takeover was the first thing we noticed on driving into SLC in 2016. That and the big white statues.

  87. @duncsbaby

    Cute, but it’s short for Chicago Police Department.

  88. during brazil election there was a couple of well-known hate hoaxes. both discovered as fake by the police. obviously the early reports are given much more attention in the press than the later ones revealing them to be a hoax. (one was self-inflected, the other the city police cams discovered that it was a swastika grafitti done by leftists).

    the problem with american police though is that many of those are “city” polices like lapd and nypd. so they’re strictly connected with the mayor. and many states the majority of crimes is in the big cities. so you have few state police officers in a red state (like in the south and mid-west) while where happen the most crimes is a blue district.

    in brazil, the left wants to copy that american model by the way. because our police is actually military with relative few direct involvement of the government

  89. @Anonymous

    Most British police do not carry guns or tasers, so it helped if they were above average in height and physical strength.

  90. @Clyde

    As Forbes notes, it always sounds like “mom” when Brits say ma’am. I first realized that and was much amused when watching the Prime Suspect series with Helen Mirren, when at first I thought her male police underlings were being sarcastic in always saying “yes, mom” or “ok, mom” in response to her orders.

  91. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Ian M.

    There is a deliberate tradition of minimalizing force, of politely asking rather than barking in a command voice, which is partly the legacy of Peterboro but 100% dependent on homogeneity. We will see it abandoned in our lifetimes.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  92. Anonymous[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    The British police forces in Ireland have always been armed.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  93. @YetAnotherAnon

    One more, even older, UK Hate Hoax. A black guy killed a black woman and her kids in 1982, then sprayed ‘NF’ (National Front) on the walls to make it look like a racist murder. NF were an anti-immigration UK political party in the 70s and 80s.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12019171

  94. TWS says:
    @Steve Sailer

    You have no idea how common stuff like that is.

  95. TWS says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    No that’s not how it works in the US.

  96. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    That is as true, as relevant, and as honest as bringing up British policing policy in the Palestinian Mandate. Brits routinely did things to Irishmen that they would never do to any Londoner.

  97. J.Ross says: • Website
    @TelfoedJohn

    There’s a ton of data which says that if you’re worried about police brutality, you want 6′+ white men, preferably with a military background, zero involvement in gangs, smart but not necessarily credentialled, and able to talk to locals whether through cultural homogeneity or through language lessons. No cop can escape idiots who think they can “break these cuffs,” but people listen to and respect taller people in a way that simply does not happen with a few inches subtracted, and a cop worried that he is not being listened to is a cop more likely to knock somebody down.

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