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David Simon, creator of The Wire, is extremely irate that fans of The Wire often draw politically incorrect conclusions from The Wire, instead of just blaming Bad White People like he wants them to:

Can you see this tweet still, or has Simon blocked it? Here’s a screenshot:

Simon just wants to know: Why are white people so stupid that they can’t understand that the message of The Wire is: White People Are Bad? Why aren’t they intellectually sophisticated enough to grasp that complex concept?

Anyway, has there ever been a movie or TV show that presents the reasons for 1950s-1980s White Flight from integrating neighborhoods honestly without a fake happy ending or ginned up anti-white hate? So far I’ve come up with about 90 seconds of Howard Stern’s autobiopic Private Parts and about 90 seconds of Nick Hornby’s script for A n Education, in which Peter Sarsgaard plays a Jewish (?) con man, whose scams include renting flats to Jamaican hoodlums in 1960 England in order to violently terrorize old white ladies in the neighborhood into selling their homes, from which he collects 6% as their realtor. It was an incredibly unexpected scene.

Also Bruce Norris’s Pulitzer-winning play Clybourne Park about white flight in 1959 Chicago and gentrification in 2009 Chicago is realistic, although it skips over what happened in-between to convince nice white liberals to get themselves and their children the hell out of Dodge.

But, wow, that’s a pretty thin amount of depiction in our popular culture of a giant event that happened to tens of millions of Americans who are still alive. It’s kind of like how the white flight away from Los Angeles schools of huge numbers of liberal Jews, such as Senator Kamala Harris’ husband, when forced racial busing came to LA public schools in the late 1970s has been totally forgotten, because, after all, it’s not like Southern California 1970s Jewish kids have access to the media.

Update: iSteve commenter Hamlet’s Ghost points to the 1970 film Halls of Anger starring Jeff Bridges and a really racist Rob Reiner. I gotta say, looking at Tarantino’s latest trailer, they’re just not making movie trailers like they used to:

 
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  1. What about that Exodus movie?

    • Replies: @Kronos
  2. anon[364] • Disclaimer says:

    Batteries Not Included? A devastated, nearly abandoned, neighborhood in NYC is accosted by POC thugs on behalf of a real estate developer. They demand the few remaining old whites move out so the neighborhood can be gentrified with financial sector types. … but how realistic is that?

    • Replies: @Klesko
    , @notanon
    , @Jesse
  3. dearieme says:

    renting flats to Jamaican hoodlums in 1960 England in order to violently terrorize old white ladies in the neighborhood into selling their homes, from which he collects 6% as their realtor

    Good God, estate agents (as we call realtors) make nowhere near 6% in England. I doubt if they did in 1960 but that is long before I moved to England.

    • Agree: jim jones, Thomm
    • Replies: @eggplant
    , @Neoconned
    , @Alden
  4. slumber_j says:

    @Steve Sailer: it’s Nick Hornby, not Bruce Hornsby–but yeah.

    • Replies: @njguy73
    , @Steve Sailer
  5. Arclight says:

    Of course not, and there never will be – that would be punching down because for at least 25 years (maybe longer, just a comment on my age) the only acceptable narrative is that blacks are the hapless and helpless victims of events shaped by white agency. And such a movie would also have to include middle class blacks pulling up stakes close on the heels of their white neighbors, a phenomena that is usually ignored.

    All that said, we are at a point where I wonder if the pendulum has swung so far in one denial-laden direction that we are due for a return to some very frank discussion of the pathologies of urban culture. It might take a Democrat in the WH for the stark difference between their rhetoric and failed solutions to make things clear for the average voter, though.

  6. TWS says:

    We were already flown being in a whitetopia but those who fled were awful. Completely different values. Dishonest, untrustworthy, and cynical they made worse neighbors than three minorities near us. You could no longer leave something unlocked or outside. And these were mostly white Californians from la area. East coast people were worse. Thank goodness there weren’t many of them.

  7. There were a lot of Mike Royko articles about white flight that would today be considered very racist, even though Mike was a liberal. One I remember was a woman who made her parents sell their home on Chicago’s Garfield Boulevard, where they had lived for decades, due to the neighborhood changing. The woman’s mom was very emotional about it and Mike went into all that neighborhood had that was now gone. The woman was expecting to hear from her mom but didn’t. The woman went back to her parent’s house to look for her and her mom was laying on the bed dead. Mike ended the article saying that although the coroner said that the mom died of a heart attack, she really died of a broken heart.

  8. njguy73 says:
    @slumber_j

    @Steve Sailer: it’s Nick Hornby, not Bruce Hornsby–but yeah.

    That was my reaction. Bruce Hornsby wrote an anti-racism song.

    And Rogers Hornsby was the best second baseman in MLB history.

    Everyone got that?

  9. Paul says:

    When young, I noticed what seemed to me something like white flight from my Southern California community, which had a large Hispanic population. The occurrence seemed to happen when white girls reached high school age. It seemed like white parents did not want their daughters getting involved with Hispanic boys.

    • Replies: @Duke84
  10. C-MINOR says:

    The Detroit Riots of 1967 are an important plot point in Jeffrey Eugenides’ Middlesex, which apparently is in development for a TV series. But I imagine the show will ax the white flight elements to focus on the World War T stuff.

  11. Bugg says:

    David Simon made his whole career and fortune on 2 TV series about Baltimore’s inner city largely African-American dysfunction. And now tells tells us the problem is evil white people all along.Also, he decries blockbusting. So realtors who brokered panicky white people’s home sales to new African-American home buyers were the whole problem? As with Chetty, the African-American community have no agency nor responsibility, simply jellyfish floating in a sea of white racism shaping their every action.

    Saw flight 1st and 2nd hand in Brooklyn in the 1960s and 70s. How many times does a family member have to get beat up or robbed or had a car broken into or worse before making a sensible decision to leave a neighborhood is not racist?

    Irony is many of the neighborhoods in Brooklyn white people abandoned in the 1950s, 60s and 70s are being recolonized by hipster white trust funders from elsewhere. But that was preceded by Guiliani and then Bloomberg supporting the police. Going to be interesting how that goes with 8 years of Diblasio and probably another liberal idiot after him.

    • Agree: Hail
  12. It’s so frustrating how white flight is depicted as an irrational pathology that caused blacks to behave badly rather than a reasonable prediction that has been proven correct.

    Most of my boomer extended family members buy into this stuff. I wonder what the reaction would be if I asked them if they can name a single place on the planet where black governance works well.I think maybe the more introspective would be able to handle it, but most would react like a puritan being asked for scientific proof that witches exist.

    • Replies: @Smithsonian
    , @CAL2
    , @anonymous
  13. Peter Sarsgaard plays a Jewish (?) con man, whose scams include renting flats to Jamaican hoodlums in 1960 England in order to violently terrorize old white ladies in the neighborhood into selling their homes, from which he collects 6% as their realtor.

    My mother used to work for a realtor (estate agent) in England in the 70s and 80s. My sister also worked for an estate agent between high school and medical school in 1971. At that time the commission rate for real estate (property) sales in England was almost uniformly 1%.

    Today it is usually 1% to 1.5% plus VAT, negotiable. For more expensive properties it can be lower. It has never been anywhere close to 6%.

    It could be that he was getting 6% as a rental agent after the homes had been bought.

  14. the flight of the white tax base en masse from West Baltimore dates to 1955-57.

    The holy GI Bill!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  15. istevefan says:

    …just frightened whites fearing the blockbust and running with all the tax money over the county line. They didn’t flee slums. They ran with the $$$

    First, the use of word fear to shame Whites. They fled because they were afraid is akin to some sort of elementary school argument. If fear is not a good reason to flee, then we should immediately shut down our immigration and asylum system ASAP since those people are leaving their homelands due to fear. Fear apparently is no longer a valid reason to flee.

    Second, he mentions that they ran with the $$$ as if those $$$ belonged to everyone but those who had them. However, since he is considering those $$$ as communal property, would he say the same about immigrants who flee their lands and head here? Are they not taking the $$$ or Pesos or whatever out of their local economy? Don’t we even offer a crazy immigration category that grants status to anyone who brings a million dollars or so of assets with them? That would be the very thing in which he lambastes Whites.

    Third, if White flight is bad because it leaves behind a less capable area, then does he have a similar complaint about middle class blacks who leave behind poorer blacks? What about the best and brightest of the developing world leaving with all their talent for the West?

  16. Travis says:

    never saw a film about white flight or Black flight.

    they should have a film about Black flight from Compton , how the Mexicans moved into town and terrorized the Blacks forcing them to flee, ethnically cleansing the city of blacks to create a Latino Compton. Could be called Chased Outta Compton :Straight outta Compton part two.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  17. Mad Men sorta skirted around White Flight. Peggy Olsen moved to the Upper West side and had to deal with the crime and societal dysfunction there. Could Pete Campbell’s move to California be seem as an escape from the decline of law and order in NYC that was in the background of the show?

    • Replies: @anon
  18. Clint Eastwood’s “Grand Torino”. Its era is post-white-flight, but as the last white in his neighborhood, Eastwood’s Walt Kowalski puts us in mind of what happened.

    • Replies: @Barnard
  19. I think people were mostly just ready to move to the suburbs, from the North down to the South, their grown children had graduated college and had job opportunities all around the country.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  20. Yet another example of a blue tick getting BTFO’d by anime avatars.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  21. Travis says:

    interesting article about white flight from the NY times in 1976.
    https://www.nytimes.com/1976/04/19/archives/blacks-and-puerto-ricans-a-bronx-majority-study-finds-blacks-and.html

    New York City’s white population declined by more than 600,000 between 1970 and 1975…..The 1975 survey was broken down by borough into four different categories white non-Puerto Rican, Negro non‐Puerto Rican, Puerto Rican, and “other races.” such as Orientals and American Indians.

    funny how they did not use the newly created hispanic term to describe Puerto Ricans and still used the terms Negro and Oriental in this 1976 article about white flight. Also indicates that white flight, which started in the 1940’s , was still going strong in 1975.

    the city as a whole in 1975 was 62% white, 22% Negro, 12% Puerto Rican and 4% other races. The comparable figures in 1960 were 78% white, 13% Black, 8% Puerto Rican, and 1% other

    • Replies: @Discordiax
  22. Ian Smith says:

    Shyamalan’s The Village can be seen a comment being about white flight.

  23. @Bugg

    DiBlasio has pretty much been cucked by the police. They seem to have mostly gotten the upper hand in the power struggle. Keep in mind: the police department is huge and has significant political power and NYC is full of important people who can’t be sacrificed to the diversity gods the way others can be. Also, not sure if relevant, but NYC has a lot of its powers delegated to NY state due to the fact that even moderate democrats understand progressive democrats may kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.

    Having said that, I feel that eventually a truly reckless anti-police POC will be mayor of NYC at some point.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    , @Autochthon
  24. @istevefan

    If fear is not a good reason to flee, then we should immediately shut down our immigration and asylum system ASAP since those people are leaving their homelands due to fear.

    Hah! I’m going to use that.

    As for leaving with their $$$, that was only true of the first ones to leave, like in 1950. If you waited until after the 1968 riots, you were lucky to sell your house for ¢¢¢.

    • Replies: @Alden
  25. @Steve Sailer

    My favorite story about Rogers Hornsby:

    When he was manager (I believe this was during his tenure with the Giants), he used to go and piss in his player’s lockers.

    Ty Cobb, who was troubled by a hard background, was actually true gentleman compared to the Rajah.

    • Replies: @FPD72
  26. Hey Simon, what part of Baltimore do you live in?

    • Replies: @RVBlake
  27. @Mike Zwick

    I was never a Mike Royko fan. He struck me as a hypocrite, constantly deriding working class whites in the city for their “racism”, but he himself later moved out of Chicago and to Winnetka.

    Frank Sinatra was not a fan of Royko’s, either! (Has Steve ever weighed in on his opinion of Mike Royko?)

    • Replies: @Hodag
    , @Mike Zwick
    , @Marty
  28. @Jonathan Mason

    Your English realtors need to get on the ball. In America it is 6% (3% for the buyer’s agent, 3% for the seller’s). A bit less in coastal California due to the high base values. You get there with some of government-sanctioned restraint of trade.

    “Real partnership with a government”:
    https://youtu.be/9hwFfO4WzBA at 0:42

  29. Would be fascinating to read a history of Blacks in America from the perspective of Whites who interacted with them, lived in the same town, … Starting with slavery, how much violence and force was used to keep that institution working? There were slaves not only on plantations, but also farms throughout Virginia,for example. Was there white flight from slave areas? Was there black violence against whites back then – that is the kind that whites are afraid of today – being stuck in the wrong part of town, muggings or fights that quickly escalate into life altering violence.

  30. @International Jew

    Internet brokers are driving the traditional 6% down, in Redfin’s case to 4.5%, 1.5% to the listing agent and 3% to the buyer’s agent.

    As provision and consumption of real estate market information moves more fully to the internet, the value added by brokers declines and this 4.5% will continue to drop.

  31. Klesko says:
    @anon

    Were those robots from space? The movie wasn’t clear on that point

  32. notanon says:
    @anon

    how realistic is that?

    i think it’s realistic up to a point (i knew of landlords who did that to get people out of rent-controlled apartments) but it’s clearly an attempt to cover up the main cause

    (which is violent teenage gangs).

    Simon has a slight point in that prosperous people with valuable houses would white-flight almost instantly before any bad stuff had actually happened but it’s also a deflection from what happened to blue collar whites who didn’t have the cash to move but were eventually stabbed out of their homes.

    • Replies: @Anon
  33. Anon[389] • Disclaimer says:

    whites fearing the blockbust and running with all the tax money over the county line. They didn’t flee slums. They ran with the $$$

    So Whites ran with their incomes (“the money) over the line from people who are perpetually dependent on other peoples tax money to survive?

    Anti-white flight shaming seems to be some kind of whinging about inter-racial-socialist peer pressure not being effective.

    If the peer pressure isn’t effective, then how does Simon conclude that complaining about its ineffectiveness would be?

    Simon’s perspective assumes that county tax money would prevent Baltimore ghettos. There is plenty of White money in Philadelphia County and Philadelphia County is still mostly one large expanse of excessively dangerous ghetto.

    I saw entire The Wire series twice. There was nothing about White Flight in the series. It was gangland pornography, beleaguered multicultural cops, one immoral Jew lawyer, and nothing more.

  34. Arclight says:

    The left: white flight was an irrational response to an increasing concentration of blacks in one geographic area over concerns about quality of life.

    Also the left: areas with large concentrations of blacks are filled with dysfunction and lack opportunity so we need to move them to white areas.

    As Steve has repeatedly noted, a lot of the places whites left and became black neighborhoods were fundamentally good real estate. In theory that should have offered huge potential upside to the new residents, but it turns out the people who left were pretty prescient about what the change in demographics would mean, which is also why middle class blacks left as well.

  35. Anon[389] • Disclaimer says:

    Where does David Simon live?

    In a Baltimore row among Blacks, I would assume by the content of his rants.

    • Replies: @utu
  36. Mr. Anon says:
    @istevefan

    Good comments, all.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  37. Anonymous[158] • Disclaimer says:

    In a similar vein, the advocates of uncontrolled immigration – most notably The Economist magazine – often fail to grasp the obvious point that their favoured and cherished policy objective will, inevitably, reduce incomes to the irreducible minimum, that is as close to zero as dammit, and thus reduce tax revenue to zero. Result – No public services of any kind whatsoever.

  38. El Dato says:

    You dumb fuckmook, the flight of the white tax base en masse from West Baltimore dates to 1955-57. No slums in those neighborhoods just frightened whites fearing the blockbust and running with all the tax money over the county line.

    WTF is “muh tax money”. It seems to be a lump sum of cash? Maybe that’s what is needed to transmogrify tragic dirt into magic dirt?

    Seriously, this is as retarded as Roosevelt complaining about people hoarding gold, making the depression worse.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  39. Mr. Anon says:

    If they need magical white people with the magical $$$?, isn’t David Simon admitting that the Blacks in Baltimore couldn’t manage a city by themselves?

    • Replies: @Screwtape
  40. “Has There Ever Been a Realistic Movie About White Flight?”

    The Right Stuff?

    • LOL: Kylie
    • Replies: @Ancient Briton
  41. anonymous[680] • Disclaimer says:

    “White flight” packs in a whole lot of meaning that may or may not be true, for a given case. In some ways “ethnic cleansing” is a more illuminating term.

    When it comes to picking victims, white hoodlums aren’t “racist” — they prefer whites.

    Black hoodlums feel the same way.

    That neglected fact explains a great deal of what happened to many urban neighborhoods. Some time ago, La Griffe du Lion used some straightforward math to generate a graph to illustrate this issue. Graph and original article linked in this comment from last week.

  42. Anonymous[158] • Disclaimer says:

    Surely, the Nick Hornby character is a thinly veiled representation of the notorious Peter Rachman.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  43. Muse says:

    I have insured my children understand the following narrative: since the 1930’s three generations of my family have had to flee “changing neighborhoods” as refugees from urban US cities, at great economic cost, with the loss of accrued social and relational capital.

    We are a white diaspora. We fled violence and lawlessness, against our persons and our property. I told them to never forget it.

    We did not want to leave the beautiful cities we inhabited. They were taken from us.

    • Agree: jim jones
  44. guest says:

    Is it just me, or does Simon’s tweet appear to support the “fuckmook”‘s argument? Yeah, white folk “took the money and ran.” Without white money, whatever was left couldn’t support civilization. Where’s the disagreement?

    Is it the timing issue? Hardly fair of Simon to damn whites for having foresight.

    The Wire is a masterpiece of unintentional red-pilling.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  45. Hodag says:
    @Paul Jolliffe

    When Royko moved to Winnetka did they let him join Indian Hill? Ridgemoor was his speed, what with 5 chances to hit the halfway house.

    • Replies: @Alden
  46. Made me think of this 1976 documentary about Rosedale, Queens. Basically, a white group took over the local MLS and marketed homes only to whites. But in the end they lost.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  47. Mr. Anon says:

    David Simon is creating a miniseries based on Phillip Roth’s The Plot Against America

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Plot_Against_America_(miniseries)

    Funny how they get to define what is or is not America, and who is or is not “against it”.

    Why wasn’t Simon ever been held to account for his work on The Wire as a racist who traffics in “tropes” and “dogwhistles” about black dysfunction?

  48. You can’t reasonably expect an accurate, good quality movie to ever be made on this subject, because to do so, one would have to purposefully step on the two major Third Rails in American fake political discourse, the Things Which Can Never Be Named Or Discussed. Which is to say, the movie would have to include honest realistic depictions of TNB and TJB/TKB, and we all know this will never happen, especially not the latter. Star witness for the prosecution: David Simon himself. No further questions, your honor.

    It would also be a difficult thing to produce, from a boots-on-the-ground perspective, because it would be so hard to get sufficient numbers of skilled actors to do certain parts.

    For instance, such a movie would have to show accurate scenes of the hellish experiences of White children forced (by TJB) to attend majority-black schools: the constant bullying, intimidation and assaults, the endless chaos and disruption and noise and discomfort caused by the presence of blacks, and of course, for White girls, the non-stop sexual harrassment, molestation, and sexual assault. Pretty hard to cast and to film, unless you’re making a documentary.

    Plus, to depict the realtors, lawyers, activists, politicos, fixers and machers who caused all this, you’d have to travel back in time and clone about forty thousand copies of John Turturro.

    Don’t act like you don’t know what I mean by that.

  49. anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Peggy with her homemade spear is just classic television.

    Didn’t Pete move to Kansas City as part of his new job with Lear Jet? If he didn’t want to work at McCann that was code for “Jews” as per the Irish = Jews crypsis in the show, as per my book, End of an Era: Mad Men & the Ordeal of Civility (Countter-Currents, 2015).

  50. anonymous[680] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    Very perceptive comment.

    > First, the use of word fear to shame Whites. They fled because they were afraid is akin to some sort of elementary school argument.

    There’s also a “let them eat cake” aspect to the position of David Simon and his fellow antifa-friendly Hollywood hipsters.

    The working class white families in “transitioning” neighborhoods typically had the value of their home as their key asset for retirement planning (fortunate workers also had a defined-benefit pension — remember those?)

    “Location, Location, Location” — as blockbusting progressed, the value of that asset kept declining.

    Leave now and take a huge hit, or stick it out and accept the risk of a total loss? In league with the civil rights movement, the real estate interests forced this choice on people of modest means.

    Punching up or punching down?

    As a police-beat reporter and gritty nonfiction author (“Homicide”), David Simon had important and interesting stories to tell. Then he lost his way.

  51. Barnard says:
    @International Jew

    Gran Torino is probably as close as Hollywood ever got. It has somewhat of a happy ending feel though, the Hmong start agreeing to testifying against the gang and Walt’s children and grandchildren (the people who engaged in white flight) are largely portrayed negatively. They are shown as greedy and unwilling to socialize with the immigrants who took over the neighborhood where they grew up. I can’t say it is a solid example of defending white flight, but it better than most.

  52. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Gran Torino.

  53. @istevefan

    You’re misinterpreting the logic. Whites = bad. So whatever they are doing is bad. White’s moving in = bad = gentrification. Whites leaving = white flight = bad. I am sure whites staying where they are is bad too although I don’t think they have invented a great word for that…yet.

    This is similar to the Carranza’s NYC schools lecture on white supremacist teachers where they literally said putting quantity over quality = white supremacist AND perfectionism also = white supremacist. So literally any strategy for output of work is white supremacist.

    What’s funny about this stuff is the white allies inevitably get it first whereas people like me who have self respect will get it last, if it all.

    • Replies: @Tex
  54. I fondly remember my elementary school in Mississippi and forced busing in 1966. Every day on the playground was a mini riot as black kids bussed two hours to partake of my intelligence by sitting next to me would try to beat our brains out and steal our lunch money.

  55. istevefan says:

    So I clicked the link and went to twitter to read some of the thread. There are a couple of cucks thought-policing this thread. I’ve copied parts of the exchange.

    Black ppl had no access to welfare prior to civil rights act of 1964. I’m not familiar with changes to it’s design. White ppl continue to be a majority of welfare recipients and so I don’t understand the theory.

    So the FDR administration denied welfare bennies to blacks? Per capita must be a hard concept.

    At the exact same time, White GI’s got free college thru GI Bill, and white people got govt subsidized FHA loans to buy houses in gov subsidized new suburban communities. The new homes cost less than the old rent in cities.

    I find it hard to believe blacks who served did not get the GI bill. Why would Truman integrate the armed forces only to deny black veterans the GI Bill?

    White flight to suburban areas crushed every single rust belt city. Rochester, NY was a thriving city of almost 1/2 a million in the mid 50s but by mid 80s it’s population had fallen to below 300k, 40+% reduction tax base. Every city in the Great Lakes & NE regions saw this.

    What came first, the chicken or the egg? Did White flight just materialize out of nowhere? Or was White flight the result of something else?

    Utica, NY, Syracuse, NY, Rochester, NY, Buffalo, NY, Erie, PA, Cleveland, OH, Akron, OH, Toldeo, OH, Detroit, MI, Flint, MI. The list is long, indeed. And every single one of these cities has a similar story.

    Go to wikipedia and search for any of those cities. Then click the demographic header for each city. You will see, for example, that Rochester went from 97% White in 1940 to under 44% by 2010. All those cities on that list are similar. And you can see the corresponding increase in the black population.

    How many real life examples do you need before you believe? People who White flight are not doing so willy-nilly. They have to uproot their lives, and in a lot of cases take a financial hit. Additionally, they are severing the ties of community, and will most likely have to make new friends and social relationships. They are not going to leave unless they think it is more beneficial for their family’s future than to remain. It takes a lot to get people to move. They are not doing it out of spite.

  56. “Fuckmook”?

    Did Simon make that insult up or did it exist already?

  57. @Arclight

    we are due for a return to some very frank discussion of the pathologies of urban culture. It might take a Democrat in the WH for the stark difference between their rhetoric and failed solutions to make things clear for the average voter, though.

    We can call it a “Beer Summit.”

  58. DPG says:

    “They ran with the money.” As if every city is endowed with a bank vault full of tax dollars that white people stole and fled with.

    Shouldn’t a reasonably intelligent adult realize that productivity/prosperity -> tax revenue rather than the reverse?

  59. dates to 1955-57.

    That’s when the song “Let There Be Peace on Earth, and Let It Begin With Me” was introduced, and that’s what the white folks of Baltimore were doing.

    (Also, major league baseball, not yet capitalized and trademarked, had just returned to the city after a half-century absence. The original Orioles had decamped to the Bronx.)

    The song, now in hymnals everywhere, was written by Hollywood composer Sy Miller and his wife Jill Jackson, and introduced to the world by Long Beach’s International Children’s Choir, founded by the wonderfully-named Easter Beekly. Easter Bartley Beekly.

    I don’t know if Mrs Beekly was related to Robert. Or if she had ever met the Buddhist Brit Christmas Humphreys, a fun introduction to have made.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  60. Screwtape says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Yes. The only thing worse than living next door to racist whites is when the whites confirm their racism by moving away and stealing that possibility from you.

    Access to whites is not a human right.

    “Tax base” is just the other side of the “good schools” coin.

    Both also happen to reveal the actual problem if anyone were honest about it. Both also demonstrate how civic investment has been boiled down by the diversity project into nothing more than forced resource extraction and redistribution.

    In the current year I find it truly stunning that any white people still don’t see how they are despised and dehumanized into tax cattle and ballast to keep the ship of multiculty fools afloat and on course toward Brazil.

    There are millions of goodwhite tax cattle eagerly awaiting the anti-white, anti-christian, anti-heritage Democrat party scrum of hate to produce the next Saint Obama to cleanse the them of their guilt.

    Thats much more crazy than some hollywood babyeater getting his panties in a twist about the ‘real messagee’ of his high art.

  61. @Bugg

    Going to be interesting how that goes with 8 years of Diblasio and probably another liberal idiot after him.

    Wilhelm/”DeBlassio” is already in the 2nd half of his 6th year in office. He’s up for re-election in 2021, and I very much doubt he’s getting a 3rd term. So he’s done most of the damage he’s going to do. His predecessor will almost certainly be somewhat of an improvement…but it’s not clear just how much of one.

  62. Jan says:

    Nick Hornby’s estate agent (realtor) was based on the notorious slum landlord Peter Rachman (cf Rachmanism) who moved West Indian immigrants in to London’s Notting Hill area in the 1950s..

    What is less well known is that Rachman was known to have had a business relationship with small-time landlord, future Tory MP and Deputy PM: Michael Hesseltine..

  63. Neoconned says:
    @dearieme

    I remember seeing that horrible movie in the theaters and thinking “I’m supposed to sympathize with a dude who scams old ladies so he can get housing for thugs?”

    • Replies: @Alden
  64. tyrone says:

    It would have to be a comedy with stupid white men and clueless beckys against super-cool black dudes and strong ,wise black women…………of course in the end the kids will figure it all out….barf!

  65. Forbes says:
    @Arclight

    It might take a Democrat in the WH for the stark difference between their rhetoric and failed solutions to make things clear for the average voter, though.

    Yearning for the bygone days of Obama? Regularly noted for his honesty in confronting difficult issues in the black community such as out-of-wedlock births, idleness, low rates of academic completion, criminality, social and economic dysfunction…

    Oh, never mind…

    • Replies: @Arclight
  66. Jesse says:
    @anon

    If the POC were non African Americans, and had no idea what the overall aim was, then it’d make sense.

  67. Anon7 says:

    I guess the larger questions for me are

    1) Where will we all “White Flight” to, now that our one and only country is all but lost to the worldwide hordes, and

    2) How many generations will it take for our new premonitions
    a) “everywhere we go, there are more of them than there are of us”,
    b) “they hate and envy us”,
    c) “any day now, the hordes will come for us and our stuff” and
    d) “they will force us to leave and find new homes”
    to match those of the Jews, who carry it in their very HBD genes?

  68. The white flight from Newark was a recurring theme of the Sopranos. It was handled in a pretty realistic way.

    • Agree: LondonBob
    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  69. Didn’t Revolutionary Road dealt with some of these themes regarding suburbs vs city living? Also, in Mervyn LeRoy’s 1962 film, A Majority of One, in the opening scenes, one of the main character’s neighbors complains that “That element is moving in” (the Puerto Ricans, into a solid Jewish Brooklyn neighborhood in the late ’50’s). She is, however, stopped in her tracks by the enlightened progressive son who proceeds to harangue her about the dangers of intolerance, etc.

    • Replies: @Alden
  70. There may not have been any stories of white flight. But there have been some stories about blacks leaving the ‘hood.

    The Fresh Prince of Bel Air had to flee from West Philadelphia to avoid some thugs that were out for him. And the Jeffersons were Movin’ on up/ to the East Side/ to a deee-lux apartment in the skyyy-yyy-yyy.

    But then again, I think they were living next door to Archie Bunker in Queens. So that may not have strictly been a ghetto.

    Whenever blacks are portrayed as moving out of the ‘hood it’s from a desire to “make a better future” for their family. Whites fleeing the same conditions, however, are just filled with fear and loathing.

  71. @Anonymous

    It’s possible there’s also a bit of Nicholas Hoogstraten, a notorious scofflaw, in there. Hornby was about 5 when Rachman died.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_van_Hoogstraten

    “On return to the UK, he moved to Notting Hill Gate and bought houses very cheaply because of rent controls, but indulged in “persuading” tenants to move out using threatening practices associated with Peter Rachman. He built up his capital through a loan sharking business based in towns along the south coast of England, where he would take property deeds as the backing collateral. Many loanees were unable to maintain his unreasonable payment terms and defaulted their properties to him, enabling him to build up a substantial property portfolio along the south coast and in London.

    By the age of 22 he was reputedly Britain’s youngest millionaire, although The Times in 1967 and 1972 referred to this status as being “self-styled”, owning 350 properties in Sussex.”

    • Replies: @anonymous
  72. anonymous[165] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘Simon just wants to know: Why are white people so stupid that they can’t understand that the message of The Wire is: White People Are Bad? Why aren’t they intellectually sophisticated enough to grasp that complex concept?’

    It’s like when Dave Chapelle stopped creating comedy because Whites were laughing for the wrong reasons… it is often alleged that Simon has an ulterior rightwing motive as regards The Wire by showing blacks uncomfortably close to how they really are (including the functional ones in the police) but it is forgotten that the forerunner of the show was the program The Corner which was about the junkies and not the dealers. This was filled with liberal sentimentalist pap also.

    ‘plays a (Jewish?) Con man’.

    It is based on Peter Rachman a holocaust survivor who intended to turn vast parts of (formerly-and now again-respectable since ~ 2000) west London into a slum in the mid 1950s not neccesarily for the commisions in sales but to do as all slum lords do-buy up valueable property on the cheap (Notting hill is a beautiful area now) and eventually make a huge profit. It worked spectacularly. Rachman died from a disease I cannot remember in the late 1960s but his properties went to other Jewish slum lords. He was being threatened by the kray twins and he gave them one of their famous clubs (although the krays were east-end and Rachman was west-end). For the record he used to treat his Jamaican tenants appalingly too. My grandfather was a hard drinking hard fighting Irishman who could kick any of the jamaican so called toughguys arses (and they knew it) so when they came over hassling him he just laughed at them. Rachman would cut off drinking water to black slum tenants that would not pay rent (as well as other illegal tactics) and my grandfather would throw the hosepipe over the fence for them (you can drink out of the hosepipe in England).

    Interestingly Hornby was accused of anti-semitism because he included three or four scenes clearly hostile to Jews that were not in the book though amazingly he has not been censored for it. Even the author of the original book thought they were a bit ‘on the nose’ (sorry couldnt help myself).

    We all know how Steve feels about his families experiences in Detroit and his wife’s family experiences in Austin so yes it is amazing that there is not more depiction on screen. Mostly educational desegregation is depicted.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    , @Reg Cæsar
  73. @Paul Jolliffe

    Well, I guess that Mike was part of the white flight that he wrote about.

  74. Forbes says:
    @Bigdicknick

    NYC has a lot of its powers delegated to NY state due to the fact that even moderate democrats understand progressive democrats may kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.

    It’s actually the other-way-around. NYC is a municipality incorporated by NYS–any authorities NYC has are granted by the state (by the state constitution or by legislation), just like any other county, city, town, or village. It is the state that holds the legal authority. Absent delegation by the state, NYC has no authority. Perhaps that’s what you meant…

    • Replies: @Chris Renner
  75. dearieme says:
    @eggplant

    Lovely fellows like Rachman came about because the Rent Act of WWI still applied long after WWII. It may have been one of the most destructive pieces of legislation in British history, but that is merely a guess.

  76. @El Dato

    And what’s a “fuckmook?”

  77. @njguy73

    Bruce Hornsby even played keyboards for The Dead at one point. He made some great music, but I do try to ignore the meaning of his lyrics, as I got that he was a flaming lefty early on.

    • Replies: @Charlesz Martel
  78. @istevefan

    Here’s the thing people tend to forget. For most of American history, people did NOT reside in the cities. People who came over to the US during the Ellis Island craze (ca.1880’s-1924), tended to live in the cities and a good portion of US history is seen through the lenses of their descendants. As some of these ethnic groups tend to wield control over the Narrative (among other things), you tend to get “Well, doesn’t everyone want to live in cities? Who wouldn’t? Look at all the great things that cities provide, etc etc”.

    Again, up until about the 1920s, most Americans did not reside in cities. They tended to live in smaller towns or on farms.

    Also, during the post-war, something known as Levittown, the first mass produced suburb came into being. It quickly caught on during the ’50’s. Also, President Eisenhower’s Interstate Highway Act made car travel easier, more convenient, etc.

    So there are actually a few factors at work as to why many Americans deserted the cities post WW2.

    1. They were returning back to their native roots. Again, most Americans did not reside in cities for most of their history.

    2. The suburbs came into their own after the war. They offered smaller, intimate neighborhoods. Instead of cramped rowhouses with no land (which could be very claustrophobic), they offered a detached house, with a front and back yard. Only way to reach the suburbs in those early days was by way of car. Think Leave it to Beaver. What did the show of the mid/late ’50’s depict? Suburban life that was simply idyllic. As the suburbs developed, they also built their own schools, libraries, etc. Thus there was no reason to go to the cities as often as before.

    3. Cars became more affordable for most Americans, coupled with the Interstate Highway Act, which made car travel easier.

    4. Also around this time as whites were deserting the cities, the main demographic that remained behind were African-Americans.

    Technically White Flight in most urban areas started BEFORE the increase in crime, due in no small part to the popularity of Levittown, NY and the idea of pre-planned suburban communities, only accessible by car.

    Thus there really was no reason to go to cities for very much by the late ’60’s/’70’s.

    As most of the national media was located in NY, and tended to reside in the city or at least in the NY Metro, the media was either clueless (or willfully ignorant) as to why most Americans preferred the suburbs to living in the cities.

  79. Anon7 says:

    I’m sort of stuck on “fuckmook” which apparently comes from Johnny Depp’s character Sheldon Sands in Once Upon a Time in Mexico (directed by Robert Rodriguez, 2003):

    “Mook” apparently isn’t derogatory, but it’s origin seems obscure. It might be an Italian-American slang term for “knucklehead”, a Punjabi term for a nice girl, or a term from Chaldean numerology. It might derive from “moke”, meaning donkey, which is derogatory, coming from blackface songs of the 1860’s.

    “Mook” is also a portmanteau of “magazine” and “book”, first used in 1971, for a periodical that is intended to stay on the shelf longer than a regular issue magazine.

    • Replies: @Oswald Spengler
  80. I’m going to give a different take on white flight. The way my parents described it, there was a huge housing shortage after WWII. Here were all these young people who had delayed getting married and who had come back from the war ready and eager to start families, except that there was very little housing. The first few months of my life were spent in rooms that my parents rented from another couple who were lucky enough to have a house. Aunts and uncles were also renting at that time.

    Then apparently Congress did something that encouraged the building of new houses. My parents bought a new house in a development in the southwest corner of Minneapolis. We lived on a dead-end road, and there was a cornfield across the street. Ten years later, that cornfield was long gone, and we were no longer on the edge of town as there were endless miles of suburban ranch houses in the suburbs of Edina and Richfield. And our dead-end street became a busy street because it led to an enormous new mall, Southdale (the first of the indoor malls).

    White flight in the Fifties wasn’t flight from something, but to something, namely housing. I know of two works of fiction from that era that talk about the same conditions: a children’s book called Dig for a Treasure and a mystery called The Black Goatee. And for all I know there was black flight at the same time, since I assume that blacks were just as afflicted by the housing shortage as whites were. The difference is that they didn’t manage to get out to the suburbs the way that whites did.

    There was even white flight from my block, even though it was all whites. Maybe about a third of the families who moved in moved out after a few years because the houses were too small for their growing families, or because they could afford something fancier.

    I’m not going to deny that there were whites moving to escape blacks, but what I remember from the Fifties is the enormous number of new houses being built. Were there that many blacks around that whites needed to escape from? My parents and other relatives moved out of all-white neighborhoods that didn’t have any housing for them to neighborhoods that did. Blacks had nothing to do with their moving. Leftists have taken an unimportant factor in a giant movement of people to lay a guilt trip on the whites involved.

  81. chedolf says:

    In the superhero parody “Mystery Men,” when the team discusses auditioning other low-rent heroes to join up, one guy suggests “White Flight and the Black Menace (they work together).” Just a throwaway line, but smarter than anything Simon has to say on the subject.

  82. @TWS

    We were already flown being in a whitetopia but those who fled were awful.

    So, let me get this straight – you and your family were awful? What kind of loot did you steal? Did you snag an older model Honda, cause I want that back, man.

    • Replies: @TWS
  83. @International Jew

    Your English realtors need to get on the ball. In America it is 6% (3% for the buyer’s agent, 3% for the seller’s).

    Actually the other way around, because the mobility of the workforce in the US is considerably inhibited by the difficulty in selling a house and buying a new one, because the 6% sales commission is based on the sales price of the home and not the amount of equity that the owner/mortgagees have in the home.

    Thus the sales commission on a house that sells for $250.000, which would be a pretty nice house for a young family in my area, but not really ostentatious, would come out to $15.000, which in times when real estate values are not inflating, could be a very real barrier to a family relocating.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  84. slumber_j says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Yeah, I don’t think Rogers Hornsby would have been the right guy to adapt Lynn Barber’s memoir for the silver screen. Just not a good fit, for lots of reasons.

  85. The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto 1848 by Karl Heinrich Marx:

    4. Confiscation of the $$$ of all emigrants and fuckmooks.

  86. @Reg Cæsar

    Was white flight squirted out from the ghetto tracts caused by the GI Tract bill?

    (OK, OK, that one needs more work.)

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  87. @International Jew

    Your English realtors need to get on the ball. In America it is 6% (3% for the buyer’s agent, 3% for the seller’s).

    Actually the other way around, because the mobility of the workforce in the US is considerably inhibited by the difficulty in selling a house and buying a new one, because the 6% sales commission is based on the sales price of the home and not the amount of equity that the owner/mortgagees have in the home.

    Thus the sales commission on a house that sells for $250.000, which would be a pretty nice house for a young family in my area, but not really ostentatious, would come out to $15.000, which in times when real estate values are not inflating, could be a very real barrier to a family relocating and take away a large chunk of their equity in the home.

    In the UK estate agents also have other income producing services such as appraisals (valuations), surveys, and estate auctions. In recent years online estate agents have operated off even lower commissions.

  88. @Bigdicknick

    [New York City] has a lot of its powers delegated to [the] state….

    What in the Hell are you on about? New York City exists at the pleasure of the state of New York (like every city does in its respective state). The federal government and the fifty states are sovereigns. Cities, counties, school districts, and similar subdivisions of states exist entirely at those states’ discretion. If the legislature in Albany took the appropriate steps tomorrow (which, depending upon the details about home rule in New York I don’t know or care about, may have to include an amendment to their constitution), they could dissolve the city of New York outright.

    In any event, the city of New York may have an arrangement with the state of New York whereby the state retains certain powers more commonly delegated by the state to cities elsewhere, but the city of New York sure as Hell is not “delegating a lot of its powers” to the state of New York any more than somewhere a corporal is “delegating a lot of his authority” to his commanding officer.

    Here’s some light reading for you.

    Of course, de facto there has been no rule of law for an age in the F.U.S.A., so, just as the federal government bullies states with impunity, perhaps now cities are the masters of states. Such perverse rule of the creature over its creator would not surprise me, especially in the contexts of cancerous, domineering megalopoli like Chicago, New York, and Boston. Maybe that was your point?

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Anonymous
  89. @Jonathan Mason

    “For Sale by Owner”

    You put a sign out in the yard. It’s not hard.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Reg Cæsar
  90. Art Deco says:

    “They ran with the $$$”

    Someone needs to point out to this person that there are five counties in Maryland less affluent than Baltimore City and a couple others which are only a shade more affluent. (Maryland has 24 counties). The homicide rate (per the Maryland State Police) has averaged over the last 15 years somewhere between 2 per 100,000 and 5.5 per 100,000 in those seven counties. In Baltimore City, the mean has been north of 42 per 100,000.

    The State of Maryland could distribute general revenue to the counties and school districts according to formulae which had as arguments, total population, school age population, and the difference in personal income per capita between the most affluent county and a given county. That would create a riser to stand on for the more impecunious counties and school districts. They all could then fill out their revenue stream with local taxes. That might have been helpful for Baltimore City authorities, provided they didn’t piss the money away with corrupt practices (such as featherbedding, widespread placement of patronage bozos, opaque and inflated employee compensation, rigged bidding on public contracts, &c). It would not have repaired Baltimore’s problems, because public authorities in Maryland in general and Baltimore City in particular have never demonstrated any interest in doing that.

    • Replies: @Vinteuil
  91. Has There Ever Been a Realistic Movie About White Flight?

    Has there every been a realistic movie about anything?

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Simon Tugmutton
  92. “Simon just wants to know: Why are white people so stupid that they can’t understand that the message of The Wire is: White People Are Bad?”

    Sounds to me like he’s actually angry that they were smart enough to see it coming:

    “No slums in those neighborhoods just frightened whites fearing the blockbust and running with all the tax money over the county line.”

  93. Tex says:
    @Bigdicknick

    You’re misinterpreting the logic. Whites = bad. So whatever they are doing is bad. White’s moving in = bad = gentrification. Whites leaving = white flight = bad. I am sure whites staying where they are is bad too although I don’t think they have invented a great word for that…yet.

    White people, can’t live with ’em, can’t live without ’em.

  94. Because my parents lacked white privilege I grew up in black majority schools — from elementary school to my sophomore year in high school. Having blonde hair and blue eyes didn’t help my situation. I formed my opinion of black people at an early age. During that time “white flight” was not part of my lexicon, but it was still my dream.

  95. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    “freedom begins with the ability to say 2 + 2 = 4”
    George Orwell 1984

    In our own depressing, Kali Yuga time, freedom beings with the ability to discuss racial realities on subjects like White Flight, Affirmative Action, Black Crime, the JQ.

    John Derbyshire’s very practical, honest article “The Talk, the non Black version” is a pretty good one stop telling like it is. Also Jean Respail’s end of the White Western world novel “The Camp of the Saints” is another one. Just admitting that you read Respail’s “Camp of the Saints” is sure to get you fired from your job, blacklisted to ever work in Conservative Inc or the DNC.

    Here’s the Derb’s “The Talk”.

    https://www.takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire/

  96. Tipsy says:

    We all know what Virtue Signallers are: those who ostentatiously proclaim their alignment with the progressive canon as a way of getting kudos in their left wing bubble and likes at DailyKos.

    There is, however, something called a Virtue Swindler. It’s the person that encourages the Virtue Signaller to adopt politically correct views, even (and sometimes especially) if it is ultimately detrimental to Virtue Signaller.

    David Simon strikes me as a Virtue Swindler. And, there is nothing that makes a Virtue Swindler so mad as when their marks don’t fall for the swindle.

  97. @eggplant

    Nicolas van Hoogenstraten was another slumlord of that ilk. His story involves murdering his business partner (and beating the rap), being BFFs with Robert Mugabe and building a vast Georgian style country palace and leaving it uninhabited (after falling out with the courts over public rights of way).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_van_Hoogstraten

  98. anonymous[165] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    ‘Nicholas Hoogstraten’

    Van Hoogstragen who claims he isn’t Jewish but was once arrested for having someone throw a hand grenage at a cantor’s (synagouge singer) house. Used to do deals with Mugabe before mugabe figured him out. Sort of like a much smaller time Tiny Rowland.

  99. Ray P says:

    Do the right thing (1989) dir. Spike Lee. Italian pizzeria owner vs. local blacks. Parlour burned out by black mob led by Mookie (Lee himself).

  100. @Barnard

    In S. Craig Zahler’s Dragged Across Concrete (2018), Mel Gibson’s character is a cop who turns criminal in order to score the dough that will enable his family’s move out of an increasingly Africanized neighborhood.

  101. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    I saw entire The Wire series twice. There was nothing about White Flight in the series. It was gangland pornography, beleaguered multicultural cops, one immoral Jew lawyer, and nothing more.

    Why did you waste your time even watching it once?

  102. @Travis

    ‘…they should have a film about Black flight from Compton , how the Mexicans moved into town and terrorized the Blacks forcing them to flee, ethnically cleansing the city of blacks to create a Latino Compton. Could be called Chased Outta Compton :Straight outta Compton part two.’

    There could be some great scenes. Five or six black thugs weighing 1500 lbs aggregate cowering as one five foot Hispanic saunters menacingly into their group.

    Actually, what happens is that Hispanics buy houses. They’re house buying fiends. Everyone works like hell, rents out the basement to some wetback just over the border, and somehow makes the nut every month.

    So houses that were rented to blacks because no one wanted to buy them suddenly have Hispanic buyers. Out go the black renters and in come the Hispanic homeowners.

    It’s an improvement. I feel perfectly comfortable in Mexican neighborhoods — even if I don’t seek them out. Can’t say the same for black neighborhoods.

  103. Juan had to flee the drugs and violence plaguing his old neighborhood to give his family a better life. Juan is a courageous dreamer.

    John had to flee the drugs and violence plaguing his old neighborhood to give his family a better life. John is a despicable White Flighter.

  104. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @guest

    The Wire is a masterpiece of unintentional red-pilling.

    How so?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  105. Dragged Across Concrete? While not quite explicitly white flight, it shows a white girl constantly harassed by black hoods and her mother who really wants to get out quizzes cash strapped dad(Mel Gibson who always plays dads really well) if he wishes to visit her in the hospital after being gang raped.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
  106. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    David Simon is creating a miniseries based on Phillip Roth’s The Plot Against America

    Another anti-White propagandist.

    Every. Single. Time

    • Replies: @Lurker
  107. peterike says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    because it would be so hard to get sufficient numbers of skilled actors to do certain parts. For instance, such a movie would have to show accurate scenes of the hellish experiences of White children forced (by TJB) to attend majority-black schools: the constant bullying, intimidation and assaults, the endless chaos and disruption and noise and discomfort caused by the presence of blacks..

    That’s exactly why I bailed on The Wire after a few episodes. I was like, dang, I grew up around enough blacks to know that these Hollywood actor guys have nothing like the glassy-eyed, half-moron demeanor of real black thugs. It was like when James Bond jumps out an airplane at 30,000 feet, lands in water, and comes up with his hair perfect. But you expect fantasy in a James Bond movie. The Wire was supposed to be “realistic,” and I found it laughably contrived and prettied-up. I guess all those “The Wire is the best show of all time!” whites just don’t know what a real ghetto hoodlum looks like.

    • Replies: @notanon
  108. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    Or was White flight the result of something else?

    What did it result from?

  109. @Mr. Anon

    “Funny how they get to define what is or is not America, and who is or is not ‘against it.’ ”

    Yes, funny. The line between propaganda and organic narrative tends to blur. I tried watching The Wire way back when, but too many black faces got in the way. So I can’t judge if David Simon is propagandist or storyteller. Writers of fiction should not be on Twitter.

  110. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Oswald Spengler

    Did Simon make that insult up or did it exist already?

    He is virtue signaling his Jewishness.

  111. David Simon is the Ronnie Coleman of Twitter muscles.

  112. @Forbes

    I read Bigdicknick’s comment as something like “NYC has comparably less autonomy under state law than other cities in New York and its boroughs have less autonomy than standalone counties do”. Not sure how accurate that is…

    • Replies: @Forbes
    , @Known Fact
  113. Art Deco says:
    @John Pepple

    Good point. The phenomenon was real enough, but it only affected whites living in the urban borderlands, so to speak. The black majority sections of the Louisville commuter belt (to take one example) hold about 130,000 people as we speak. The commuter belt as a whole has a population of 1.3 million.

  114. Anon7 says:

    Read this short conversation between white and black radicals of the 1960’s to get the other point of view on white flight from Detroit, culminating in the 1967 riot:

    Charles Simmons: Thomas Sugrue explains a lot of it [in his book The Origins of the Urban Crisis]. The structure of the economy going back really to the early 1900s, particularly after World War II, with the highway administration building the highways and the housing administration building the suburbs ― that allowed and encouraged segregated housing. And then the urban renewal just moved us around and took our property and businesses.

    Reggie Carter: What happens is oftentimes when people talk about ’67 in subsequent years when Coleman Young got elected, they talk about white flight and try to tag it to the ’67 insurrection and even the election of Coleman Young. In fact, it had been going on for quite some time. … The infrastructure to flee was created long before 1967. Long before Coleman Young. The numbers demonstrate that. Now, certainly, the exit accelerated in the 1950s after World War II and again after the 1967 rebellion. But it had already been going on. And to compound matters, the whole dislocation and disruption of stable black neighborhoods with the creation of expressways helped further that along. I mean, here you had Black Bottom, where you had a lot of self-sustaining black businesses, and then I-75 comes through.

    Peter Werbe: The 1967 rebellion didn’t cause white flight; white flight caused the 1967e rebellion.

    https://www.metrotimes.com/detroit/white-flight-did-not-begin-in-1967/Content?oid=4618876

  115. Ed says:

    There’s a black guy on YouTube that post news reports from the 50s to the 90s. He got into some trouble after he grew a following and networks started claiming copyrights. Anyway he posted a lot of race stuff from the 50s to 60s and it’s really amazing how things are just swept under the rug now. Even the liberal news journalists of the day couldn’t hide the fact that there was a lot of dysfunction and crime in black areas.

    • Replies: @Hrw-500
  116. Art Deco says:
    @Steve Richter

    Stanley Engerman and a co-author put together some data on the use of coercion from a set of plantation records they studied. IIRC, it was their conclusion that a slave on those plantations could expect to be whipped about 7x over a period of 10 years.

    • Replies: @Steve Richter
    , @Ed
  117. Marty says:
    @Paul Jolliffe

    Thanks for that. Notice the lesson provided to Steve in that letter? Steve would have written, “or is that too big of a job for you?” Sinatra had concision.

  118. Ray P says:

    The Pawnbroker (1964) dir. Sydney Lumet. Rod Steiger plays a concentration camp survivor who manages a pawn as a money-laundering front for a black drug boss. His Hispanic pawn assistant betrays the secret to local robbers, Steiger suffers a beating. Lots of alienation in NYC.

  119. Hrw-500 says:

    I guess David Simon don’t want to talk about “black flight”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_flight
    It could be interesting to see what he think of Compton who was once majorly black to became majorly hispanic.

    Btw, his tweet is now saved on both Archive.today and the Wayback Machine.
    http://archive.fo/N6Pjj
    https://web.archive.org/web/20190806165758/https://twitter.com/AoDespair/status/1155949090305236992

  120. Art Deco says:
    @istevefan

    Since you brought up my home town, I’ll offer there was some white flight (especially from about 1964 to 1974), but the vast bulk of the outmigration was a consequence of post-war affluence. Space and green lawns are what economists call a superior good, of which consumption increases pari passu with your real income (or faster). In 1930, about 90% of the dense settlement in Monroe County was to be found within city limits. Now its about 35%. The city has continued to decline demographically, and the behavior of the lumpen population is a motor for that, but it’s a slow leak.

    The northeast end of the city has been a black slum for 50+ years. It was sad multi-ethnic area before that, chock-a-block with housing of various sorts wherein you had multiple families to a unit. That situation was ample motive for people to move as soon as they had the income to do so, w/o regard to the crime. The crime in that section of town right now is appalling, but the people living there have a great deal more space and privacy than was the case 70 years ago.

    • Replies: @Jesse
  121. Ray P says:

    Was Poltergeist (1982) about white flight?

  122. J.Ross says:

    With both D. Simon and Jack D., one sort of fear is unrealistic hysteria even when the blood is still wet, no proof is ever proof enough, while other sorts of fears cannot be called hysteria, and no proof may be asked for.

  123. Orangeman says:

    If only blacks could design a cuisine palatable and trendy enough restaraunts for white liberals. At least they’d drive down and spend some money once in awhile.

    Soul Food sounds like it might be good but..

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  124. Lot says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    It costs about $300-500 to have your house listed on Zillow with pictures.

    A buyer who has retained a buyer’s agent can be a problem. I don’t know how often that happens in a hot market though. The title insurance and escrow companies can handle most of the paperwork.

    Full service agents who charge the full 5% are mostly for the 60+ set.

  125. Haole says:

    there are several types of white flights going on now, Fleeing blacks was back in the 1950s.

    Fleeing Blacks: Already known, I dont have to go over that.

    Fleeing Hispanics. Hispanics isnt a race nor even a nationality. I think fleeing middle class cubans could be different from fleeing poor mexicans and crime. Lots of white flights from all kinds of hispanics. I have never lived around hispanics in the USA so I cant point out the details.

    Fleeing Asians. This is probably more Canadian than American, vancover has displaced its white population for asian in the last 20 years or so. The mechanism is high rents and over investing in real estate. White families that dont want to live 7 to a house leave for cheaper real estate. There is also something I see here in Hawaii, white kids dont compete so well in schools with lots of asians. It is harder to be the nerdy smart kid because the asians are good at that. A white kid in a black school wont make the basketball team and a white kid in an asian school wont make the math team. There is also sexual competition which white women lose and so want to move.

    Fleeing Democrats. Some combination of above plus general high medical insurance costs and low quality of medical care in hospitals that are staffed by 50 percent foreigners and 40 percent US quota people. No government service, schools, hospitals, police works worth a shit around dems. Your street and neighbor hood can be all white but you still might need services in Demostan. This could also be flight from white women in charge as there are a lot of white women running these failed institutions.

    White flight isnt always to Kansas or somewhere more white. Fred R fled to Mexico. I spend some time in Fred’s barrio ever year. The gringos first mention price and weather as their reason for moving to beanerstan. You pry a little bit and and there are other motivations: housing prices, homelessness, low quality medical, crime, low quality schools. I know people freak when Fred says it but middle class Americans can buy their way out of these problems and live better lives in Mexico.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  126. Hrw-500 says:
    @Ed

    I hope he’ll upload his videos on Bitchute, Dtube, etc… The networks who started claiming copyrights will do anything to stop the creation of a Streisand effect.

  127. But, wow, that’s a pretty thin amount of depiction in our popular culture of a giant event that happened to tens of millions of Americans who are still alive.

    This brings back a hobbyhorse of mine with regard to White Refugees in Suburbia, which is the rate of traffic related deaths, the increase in which coincided very nicely with the Urban Crime Wave (bein the cause of White Flight).

    Would you consider films exploring Suburban ennui as a variation on the theme?

  128. FPD72 says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Cobb’s background was “hard” only in some senses. His father was a state senator, an office not associated with poverty. His mother shot and killed his father, claiming that she mistook him for an intruder, when Cobb was 18 years old. According to court records, Cobb’s father suspected his mother of sneaking out of the house at night for illicit trysts and was himself sneaking around trying to catch her in the act. His mother was later acquitted of the charge of murder.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  129. @Art Deco

    it was their conclusion that a slave on those plantations could expect to be whipped about 7x over a period of 10 years.

    George Washington has over 300 slaves at Mount Vernon. And he was away fighting the revolution. There had to have been minimal coercion of the slaves in that type of setting. Kind of like if you act up you will be expelled and be on your own in a hostile world. Martha Washington was running the household. Hiring overseers would be expensive. Then, having to track down escaped slaves? There must have been arrangements of cooperation.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Alden
    , @istevefan
  130. @John Pepple

    White flight in the Fifties wasn’t flight from something, but to something, namely housing.

    I’m going to propose that Minnesota wasn’t typical of the urban North into which the Great Migration of blacks poured from the Deep South.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  131. The Jason Statham heist movie “The Bank Job” showed that a bunch of gangsters-black radicals in 70’s London were often worse than local white gangsters they replaced as slumlords. It also showed John and Yoko and other lefty hipsters as useful idiots stupidly supporting these gangsters. I was shocked that something like that made it into a mainstream, albeit British movie even in 2008.

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
  132. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    What do TKB, TJB, TNB mean? I’m also looking up John Turturro.

    I’ve used a similar argument myself.

    I lived in Miami for several years, years ago. I’ve asked people if they ever saw a book, article, editorial, basically anything except a short letter to the editor that ever raised the issue of too much immigration of Latinos altering the city (and County and State, for that matter). You’d have to go back to 1966 before Jim Knight got bought off (Knight Ridder Newspapers) on the issue to see anything suggesting that immigration could even theoretically be anything other than an unalloyed good.
    In fact, for years, except for the occasional obscure newsletter, all you could ever say in polite company regarding immigration was “More, please!!”
    I lived through the Mcduffie Riot of 1980. Make no mistake- Mcduffie’s murder by cops was the spark, but it was an anti- more Cubans riot. The crowds were asking “Is he White or is he Cuban?” before beating someone, to death in some cases.
    This has all been retconned as innocent Cubans in the wrong place at the wrong time, as opposed to the truth which is that Cubans basically consider blacks as sub-humans, and the blacks know it.

    As Thomas Sowell said, “There are two ways to tell the truth in America- anonymously and posthumously.”

    • Replies: @gregor
    , @ben tillman
  133. Andrew says:

    This is frankly why I hated this show, despite watching it through my hatred, despite realizing it was very well written, well acted, and a gripping drama that was part of this whole new “golden age of television” that everyone was babbling about. And when the poseur conservative set that comment on film/TV liked it as much as the traditional TV critics, the leftist Tom Shales types-I’m looking at you, John Podhoretz-it made me hate it that much more. It was well done, but nowhere near as original and great a show as Breaking Bad. You just knew EXACTLY the kind of person Simon was from the show without needing any research on the matter. If only Washington and the American people cared more about the poor black underclass in Baltimore, perhaps something could be done. Because THEY can’t do anything, the people who live there. That was taken for granted. But it is a tragedy and that’s why we have this wonderful dark TV show.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Kylie
  134. @Anon7

    I always thought mook was another word for henchman or lackey…like a villainous boss and his band of hired mooks.

    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
  135. In the Death Wish film series Paul Kersey repeatedly white flights from NYC to LA. Unsurprisingly it never works out.

    • Replies: @Oswald Spengler
  136. kihowi says:

    There’s the Brandan Frazer movie Blast From the Past. His father believes the Russians are coming and locks the family in the nuclear bunker under their home in the perfect 1950s suburban neighborhood. For some reason Brandan escapes in the 1990s and find it’s now a warzone with filth and homeless and blacks everywhere. Even though the movie goes to some length to make clear that he is NOT racist (“A negro! My goodness! How nice to meet you ma’am!”), they couldn’t stop teenage me from thinking how much nicer it was before.

    Oh and at the end there’s some unsubtle moralizing about how irrational and ridiculous fearmongering about Russia was, probably by the same people who had a hand in making it the respectable way to view the world 20 years later.

  137. Cont.
    Remember, this was just after the Mariel Boatlift, which brought 100,000 Cuban Criminals from Castro’s jails and insane asylums, many of whom were in fact violent criminals. The crime got so bad the media couldn’t spin their usual “Miami was saved by Cubans!” bullshit. When people were having their fingers cut off with garden shears to steal their rings, that kind of noise doesn’t fly.
    I fact, to this day, this is still the only large immigration event where it can be mentioned that many of the immigrants were people we’d have been better off without in polite company. There’s a scene in Scarface where Michelle Pfieffer asks Al Pacino if he’s another one of those Marielito criminals and he says he’s a political prisoner. The film even had a short intro apologizing for daring to tell the truth about Marielitos, and how wonderful Cubans were.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    , @anon
  138. Kronos says:

    The biggest “Yuppie Horror” film is still “Pacific Heights.” I remember watching it during a business course (the professor was pretty cool.) The main antagonist isn’t black but is still the tenant from hell. Shows how one baddy can poison the whole apartment complex.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  139. JackOH says:
    @istevefan

    istevefan, yep, you offer good thoughts on White flight.

    In my area, Midwestern industrial, after 1966 had race as a strong driver of White flight. Whites in noticeable numbers leaving for suburban school districts. Remaining Whites sent their kids to parochial schools. Extremely ugly stuff.

    My Mom got out in 1972. (Yep, “got out” in various forms was a real expression to describe White flight. As in: “When are you getting out?” “Bob and his family in the first block got out last month”.) Her rent was $164/month. Her mortgage had been $57/month. After about 13 years, she’d sold the house for about what my deceased Dad had paid for it.

    Those who remained faced a nightmare. One elderly woman had her garage torched in retaliation for sassing a gangbanger who controlled the street. Another man, a veteran of Patton’s army, finally was persuaded by his daughter to get out with his wife. They remained in their house after dark out of fear.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  140. eah says:

    Who do you think *owns* the press *runs* Hollywood? Hello.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  141. Anon[262] • Disclaimer says:

    The house that I was born in, about 1.5 miles from my current location into the city, is in a neighborhood that used to be livable and White and is now entirely Black and terrible. We moved out at the start of that, then purchasing a home from my great grandmother.

    The neighborhood of this next house went down the same road. A few years ago, one black man shot another black man in the head on the corner around the block from the home that my Anglo great great grandfather built.

    I currently live in an suburban borderland on a block that is still nice-ish (for an suburban borderland). However, Blacks have been slowly migrating toward this neighborhood for decades. In the past ten years they have completely overtaken the adjacent neighborhoods. Dangerous young Black homeless are a regular sight on the streets and crime is through the roof (street robberies, B&E, store robberies, car break-ins, homicide, etc). You can tell the racial demarcation between neighborhoods simply by looking at the weekly crime map.

    Last year, the first Black family moved onto our block after Blacks spent a few years colonizing the adjacent blocks and apartment buildings.

    We would stay, as the house is fully paid off. However, crime will soon make that unfeasible and will have to pull our equity and start over in a more expensive area. Undoubtedly transferring more wealth to the banks.

    From his Hollywood mansion, David Simon would attempt to shame my family and call us cowards for not staying here.

    He would not live here.

    There is something wrong with the world.

    Those that are responsible for it must be held fully accountable if there is to be any restoration of justice.

  142. Forbes says:
    @Chris Renner

    NYC has more autonomy than other cities in NYS, as much state legislation is specific to NYC or exempts NYC from same. I’m sure some would debate that–but NYC is the big dog that wags the tail of the rest of the state. That it does so from Albany–where the power is located–is a trivial matter.

    Some authorities will be different in the 5 boroughs (counties) that make up NYC, as compared to counties in the rest of the state, as those are held by the city, not the county.

    E.g., though a recent matter (two decades), the NYC mayor selects/appoints the school superintendent (in NYC, “Chancellor”). All other school districts (including city school districts) have elected school boards who hire/select their school superintendent. NYC has no elected school board.

    NYC has enacted a maximum “unposted” speed limit of 25 mph. Statewide, the maximum “unposted” speed limit in incorporated cities and villages is 30 mph. Unposted means unless otherwise posted.

    I could go on with a laundry list…

  143. Kronos says:
    @bored identity

    Oh, that one about how they “gentrified” Palestine?

  144. Anonymous[430] • Disclaimer says:

    What Steve’s generation remembers as classic white flight happened after the Long Hot Summer of 1967. Something like 200 US cities went up in flames, as negroes across the country rioted, destroying commercial districts and murdering a few cops in the process. It’s never been clear to me how so much destruction was coordinated over so many urban areas, but one theory at the time was that radical black groups (predecessors of BLM) sent out armed activists to each of these cities to spread rumors about police brutality to get the ball rolling. While SF enjoyed a Summer of Hippie Love, the rest of the country was subjected to a Summer of ginned up Black Hate.

    Black mob psychology is uniquely vicious and always on a hair trigger. As anybody who has the stomach to watch African lynchings on bestgore_dot_com knows, it doesn’t take much to trigger a violent black mob. All someone has to do is publicly accuse you of committing rape, robbery, incest, murder, or just giving someone the evil eye, and a spontaneous mob of 50 people will descend on you, beat you to a pulp, castrate you, and throw flaming tires and gasoline on you. There was a cop in the Plainfield NJ riots subjected to just such a lynching while standing sentry outside a public housing project on the city limits, and the shocking brutality of it caused many whites to rethink living in an integrated city. That incident and a race riot in the high school finally convinced two thirds of the city’s families to pack up and leave. Many whites were so in fear of their lives that they abandoned their homes, letting them go into foreclosure, since there were no buyers. To the present, Plainfield remains an economically depressed shell of the city it once was, despite its potential as a bedroom community for NYC commuters post 9/11.

  145. has there ever been a realistic movie about LA and the mexican takeover? you know, how LA doesn’t look like a 1960s surfer, valley girl paradise anymore, and hasn’t for decades?

    almost every movie about LA still portrays it as one of the greatest cities in the world. it’s actually a third world dump, with crushing traffic.

    i know, i know, there were a few. Colors, Falling Down, and so forth. since so very many movies are based in LA. but it’s rare.

    the average person who has never been to California and learns everything they know from watching movies still thinks it’s the Beach Boys out there.

    most inaccurate idea for decades now: LA has a lot of hot women. no, not really. it has millions of short ugly third world trolls.

  146. ricpic says:
    @njguy73

    Rogers Hornsby had a career batting average of something like .340. Uneffingbelievable.*

    *Of course I could be wrong because I’m too lazy to look it up but it was way way up there.

  147. Kronos says:
    @Bugg

    It was probably the only way he could make the TV series. Currently, everyone is afraid of getting gored by SJWs. So he’s doubling down on nice cheap words.

  148. @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Successor, not predecessor (that was Bloomberg).

  149. @Achmed E. Newman

    He’s also very tight with Morriss Dees.

  150. @Bigdicknick

    … name a single place on the planet where black governance works well

    Botswana does OK, AFAIK.

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @Bigdicknick
  151. Kronos says:
    @Anon

    “I saw entire The Wire series twice. There was nothing about White Flight in the series. It was gangland pornography, beleaguered multicultural cops, one immoral Jew lawyer, and nothing more.”

    What about that old lady in “Hamsterdam?” She said she moved into that neighborhood when white people still lived there.

  152. Yet again, the NYT chimes right in on an isteve post topic:

    WHITE FLIGHTS
    Race, Fiction, and the American Imagination

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/06/books/review/white-flights-jess-row.html?action=click&module=Features&pgtype=Homepage

    The above is actually a subtitle. The title is

    Reading the Hidden Racial Life of American Fiction

    and the “white flight” discussed in the article is whites fleeing from their duty to pay reparations and to otherwise own up to their total responsibility for anything bad that has ever happened to a black person.

    Surprise, surprise, at the top there’s the added bonus of a picture of Teh-Genius Coates, testifying to Congress about the moral necessity of reparations.

  153. Jesse says:
    @Anon

    Sailer’s missing the point. Simon doesn’t believe a word of what he says. There have been rumblings from the far left that The Wire is problematic. He’s trying to get ahead of that so they don’t burn his house down while his family’s sleeping in it.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @notanon
  154. ricpic says:
    @John Pepple

    The phenomenon you speak of was so ubiquitous in the fifties that whites (like my parents) who stayed in perfectly good urban housing felt out of it as almost all their peers made the move to the suburbs. I felt it too. I can remember being nine or ten and bugging my parents to move out to where all my cousins were now living.

  155. Jesse says:
    @Art Deco

    Possibly, but that moving to the suburbs is just a normal part of life. We can’t know what people would do if they weren’t pushed out.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  156. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    I remember a pretty honest TV miniseries about the Boston MA forced busing crisis with an idealistic young White pro busing attorney and his family played by the “John Boy” actor from the Waltons.

    The show included a scene where some Black criminal broke in to his family’s inner city home and scared everyone. Then there was a scene where the White father/husband confessed to his wife that they really ought to consider moving to the suburbs where the schools were better/safer and the wife said this would be betrayal of everything they had devoted their live to… they ended up moving to the White suburbs.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @anon
    , @Lurker
  157. JimB says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    And start wearing big suits!

  158. jim jones says:
    @anonymous

    I always have to explain to new Indian and Chinese neighbours in my street that in the UK you can drink water straight from the tap

  159. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    There was a flick that featured a pre-meathead Rob Reiner in it.

  160. @Jack Hanson

    That Simon thread is hilarious. Social media democratization of communication is great. ‘Elites’ can’t handle realtime verbal pushback, get mad.

    Yann Perrod‏ @YannPerrodIFNB
    Why didn’t somebody tell them it’s white people’s job to stay put and pay up to blacks?

    [ David Simon‏ @AoDespair ]
    No one is saying that cowardice isn’t permitted. Or racism for that matter. It’s the American way. You’ll be right at home here.

    Happy Little Jeffrey Epstein Case Rememberer‏ @HappyLittleTr11
    So you’re saying that it requires bravery to live in diverse neighborhoods? Golly, why would you go and post a dogwhistle like that?

    A Wreck of a Poet‏ @art_bax
    Yes, white people left and took their toxic whiteness with them, fucking everything up for 100 years.

    [ David Simon‏ @AoDespair ]
    They could have left the tax base, but no. They needed that to recreate a hypersegregated society post Brown. And Christ but you deserve an immediate block for your wounded sense of your own superiority.

    TW‏ @d4vidhume
    What does this even mean? People should keep paying income and property taxes in a city they no longer live in??

    A Wreck of a Poet‏ @art_bax
    LOL @AoDespair is so thin-skinned he blocked me. Guess he can’t stand hearing from actual Baltimore residents.

    Frenly Baratheon‏ @FrenlyBaratheon
    David Simon? What kind of a name is that? What is your ethnicity?

    KeriTrouble‏ @KeriTrouble
    If I may politely ask-why is that any of your fucking business?

    [ David Simon‏ @AoDespair ]
    You’re politely asking a frog.

    KeriTrouble‏ @KeriTrouble
    I thought “Frenly” was like some bad Spanish accent/joke like “We are all frenly hyur.”

  161. slumber_j says:
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    He’s term-limited, so no re-election for him.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
  162. Dan Hayes says:
    @Bragadocious

    Bill Moyers: Lyndon Johnson’s bagman!

  163. Arclight says:
    @Forbes

    Not at all, and I’m not suggesting a Democrat would be frank or honest – to the contrary, their brazen lying on this subject and the total lack of progress from whatever they suggest to improve things would red pill more people.

  164. @eggplant

    Rachman was a philanthropist compared with Nicholas van Hoogstraten:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_van_Hoogstraten

    For example:

    Aged 22, he was convicted for paying a gang to throw a grenade into the house of Rev Bernard Braunstein, a Brighton cantor on 12 November 1967. [snip] Van Hoogstraten said of the grenade attack in 2000: “It seems a bit distasteful to me now, but back then when I was young … these weren’t anarchists, they were businessmen, respectable people.”

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  165. Dan Hayes says:
    @Barnard

    Barnard:

    Gran Torino’s initial scenes had blacks as bad guys, but then copped out in presenting Hmong gangsters as the ultimate and final perps!

    • Agree: El Dato
  166. TWS says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Sorry I wasn’t clearer. My family is rural. Has been forever. In the seventies and especially the eighties people fled California and areas on the east coast. They felt safer I’m sure but they sure made us less safe.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  167. @Anon

    The Wire’s strength was its depiction of black culture.

    One of the most hilarious and telling scenes–ghetto thugs leaving the inner city to visit someone who lived in “Ozzie and Harriet land”.

    The black culture was _very_ dysfunctional and _very_ resilient.

    Simon could not have made that show if he really believed that throwing money at that culture would change much of anything.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  168. utu says:
    @Anon

    Where does David Simon live?

    Federal Hill, Baltimore

    As of the census[10] of 2000, there were 2,400 people residing in the neighborhood. The racial makeup of Federal Hill was 87.3% White, 9.0% African American, 0.2% Native American, 2.1% Asian, 0.6% from other races, and 1.3% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.3% of the population. 55.6% of occupied housing units were owner-occupied. 8.8% of housing units were vacant.

  169. bingobob says:

    The people that are crying about white flight have not had the full diversity experience. Well I did growing up. You need a taste of what black culture is really about to get a full understanding.

    My parents moved into a town just as the bussing stuff started and the white flight was full on. Being from a city my parents had no idea what was happening until they were there for a few years. At that point my father was stubborn and didnt want to move despite the insisting of my mother.

    There was no way I was going to public school as the blacks would beat you senseless pretty much every day. Instead my parents sent me off to Catholic school to which I walked every day. Instead they used to ambush to/from school. Getting your butt kicked and money taken by groups of blacks will wake you up really quick.

    All the while in Catholic school I had to listen to the sermonizing from the church about how we are all the same and are all Gods children. On top of this they would regularly show us films from the 60s about all the horrible things that whites did to blacks.

    Lets just say the brainwashing didnt take – here I am getting into fights with them every day while at the same time the church is telling me how we are all brothers. SAVE IT. It hardens you up quick and makes you a realist.

    By the time I was in college (I paid my way in college as my parents had no money and because I was white I was not eligible for “grants”) the town was almost completely black. Yet my father still did not move.

    Anyway he is still there at 82 and its very dangerous. I will NEVER buy a house in a town that has a sizeable black population. I bought a house in a white town a bit way but am having a heck of a time getting him out.

    I worry for him. Last year the black neighbor sprayed him in the face with a power washer and told him he was going to chop him up with a machete.

    Enjoy your diversity.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @HammerJack
  170. Has There Ever Been a Realistic Movie About White Flight?

    Sure, but it was a biopic about the Wright Brothers.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120535/?ref_=nv_sr_7?ref_=nv_sr_7

  171. He hilariously states, that white people left, “running with the tax money”.

    Hey! That money is not theirs, it’s “tax money” for other people!

    What were they supposed to do, leave the money?

    And yet, “tax money” is sent back to these abandoned neighborhoods, to little avail.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  172. @utu

    FWIW, Wiki says he graduated from Bethesda High School – which is decidedly not in the ‘hood.

  173. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    And yet they get the tax money Simon bemoans after all, but…

  174. anon[588] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hamlet's Ghost

    In 1970, an exploitation flick. In 2019, a documentary.

  175. Dan Hayes says:
    @slumber_j

    slumber_j:

    Agreed. And unlike Bloomberg, de Blasio has neither the money nor chutzpah to engineer a patently illegal third term.

  176. Isn’t the Seattle program from your previous post about Ms. Rath just black flight?

  177. Art Deco says:
    @anonymous

    It was a small screen adaptation of Anthony Lukas’ Common Ground. The rap on Lukas is that he puts a mess of data in front of the reader, then draws perverse conclusions congruent with liberal social policy and judicial social engineering projects.

  178. Gone With The Wind

    • LOL: BB753
  179. Art Deco says:
    @Jesse

    My parents weren’t pushed out. My mother was pregnant and they thought a larger house was in order. The city neighborhood they lived in was and is unremarkable. The year was 1957.

    That aside, people are only going to be ‘pushed out’ when they’re living on an interface. Right now, blacks make up about 14% of the population of the average commuter belt. A great many of them live nestled unobtrusively in ordinary neighborhoods. The people who push you out (and the benign sorts willing to live proximate to the people who push you out) are a single digit minority of the total population. There’s only so much space they can occupy that someone else might have occupied.

    • Replies: @notanon
  180. @utu

    So Simon resided in an 87 % white area? That’s relatively low for s white liberal, practically all of them live in the whitest place they can find.

  181. anon[142] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    It was called “Common Ground.”

    Howard Stern did a skit on it (NSFW):

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    , @ScarletNumber
  182. Dan Hayes says:
    @Simon Tugmutton

    Simon Tugmutton:

    Van Hoogstraten is truly A Man For All Seasons!

  183. David Simon, creator of The Wire, is extremely irate….

    That’s all you need to say. In fact, you don’t even have to say it. David Simon is always in rage mode on Twitter.

  184. Anne says:

    Insight into the transformation of American cities is provided by “Culture Wars” editor E. Michael Jones’s thick tome “The Slaughter of the Cities.” Deliberate ethnic cleansing was conducted by the then WASP ruling class in alliance with others in order to bust up Catholic ethnic neighborhoods. The means used to bring about the break-up was the importation of southern blacks. Paul Blanshard sounded the tocsin back then: There was a real animus against city-dwelling Catholics who were becoming politically powerful because, unlike the Protestants, they did not use contraceptives. (The Protestants abandoned Christian doctrine concerning contraception at the Lambeth Conference in 1930.) And that is one of the principal reasons why the formerly great big American cities look like war happened there. Anti-Catholicism is the one respectable bigotry left in this country, and the country has suffered for it.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Art Deco
  185. @MikeatMikedotMike

    In the same vein: The Flight of the Phoenix (1965) – Jimmy Stewart et al 99.44/100% White.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @guest
  186. guest says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Might be as simple as it employed a large black cast and had credibility with the black folk. Not that such things always matter to the Narrative. But a show about baddass Machiavellian ghetto criminals can be allowed slack in the face of otherwise unutterable truths if it makes viewers feel cool instead of “exploited” or condescended to.

    That, and the show otherwise had its political ducks in line. And it was a low-rated premium cable show perpetually on the brink of cancellation.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  187. @Anonymous

    The name of the cop murdered in the July 1967 Plainfield, NJ riots was John Gleason.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  188. guestA says:

    You could remake this movie, largely with pasted together clips from WorldstarHipHop. Similar to how Ed Wood used WW2 footage for flicks.

  189. CAL2 says:
    @Bigdicknick

    My sisters neighborhood had a single black mother with kids move in nearby. All the woman did was complain about how the neighbors didn’t treat her right. Of course, not long after, one of the sons threw a party and there was a shooting. Yep, not logical reason for whites to do what they do.

  190. @Anonymous

    In 1967 my family lived in north Tulsa, a few blocks south of the black part of town. When Dad saw on TV the black uprisings in other American cities, he went out to buy a surplus British .303 rifle and a Llama snub-nose .38 Special revolver. These purchases puzzled by naive mother, who didn’t see the danger. But as Dad explained it to me years afterwards, he bought the firearms to protect the family from black violence.

    Fortunately Tulsa’s blacks behaved themselves. Their elders remembered the white attack on their community in 1921, so they probably took the younger hotheads aside and impressed upon them the folly of causing trouble in a city full of armed rednecks like my father, many of them World War 2 and Korea veterans who had firearms training and combat experience.

  191. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    as whites were deserting the cities, the main demographic that remained behind were African-Americans.

    Who themselves were only a generation or so off the farm. Or whatever sharecroppers called it.

    The suburbs came into their own after the war.

    Progressives had a lot to do with this. Now, their ideological descendants bitch.

    Conservatives aren’t innocent of this kind of thing, but they do it in reverse. Now they defend old progressive atrocities like nuclear war and, well, the Interstate Highway System.

  192. El Dato says:

    OT

    The meedja landscape with the self-toxifying virtuous liberalism starts to become … difficult.

    There is blood in the water.

    “NYT changes front-page mass shootings headline after backlash from Dem 2020 hopefuls”

    https://www.rt.com/usa/465918-nyt-headline-mass-shooting/

    Is Dayton already memoryholed?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @HammerJack
  193. @Mike Zwick

    My boyhood chum’s family stayed on Marshfield,in Chicago’s Back of the Yards, a very long time. They had at least one negro break in. They finally packed up their money and deserted the poor dear negroes who would have made a great community,but were forced to create a pos s-hole.

    Simon is a dirtbag. He’s a bloodsucking parasite. The Wire is garbage. Its ghetto porn for us white guys,but with a twist,as the blacks are portrayed as sort of Michael Corleone tragic figures. These arent real blacks ,who tend to be not very sympathetic criminals.
    Simon made a ton of money off the destruction of Baltimore;how much did he give back to his precious pets?

    • Replies: @HA
  194. ‘Avalon’ depicts a move to the suburbs after the father is robbed and beaten outside the family department store. I haven’t seen it for a while so not sure how relevant it is here but worth a mention as it involves Baltimore and white flight. (IIRC the assailant is unspecified ethnic white and, as it is semiautobiographical film by Barry Levinson, family is Jewish)

  195. anonymous[253] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bigdicknick

    Barbados

  196. J.Ross says:
    @El Dato

    >let’s have unity against [nonexistant] Nazis
    >Not so fast — you’re the Nazi! We demand self-confession!
    Trump’s foolish olive branch thrown right back in his face: hopefully Trump’s foolishness is now overshadowed by the RESIST cult’s brainlessness. Those hysterical children just got everything they had been asking for over years on a silver platter, and they threw a fit because it wasn’t on a gold platter.

  197. @anonymous

    but to do as all slum lords do-buy up valuable property on the cheap

    My mother grew up in the same neighborhood at the same time as Geraldine Ferraro. She would almost spit when mentioning her during the 1984 election– “She’s married to a slumlord!”

    (you can drink out of the hosepipe in England).

    Visions of George Michael just came to mind…

  198. @Futurethirdworlder

    In the original Death Wish, Kersey’s wife and daughter are brutalized by punks led by a young Jeff Goldblum.

  199. J.Ross says:

    It was pretty well established that the big brands of the mainstream (and new mainstream) media were in trouble, to include exposure of faked subscriptions, but the story goes that after their lack of credibility was starkly underscored in 2016 with the Trump victory, they clawed back market share by shamelessly pandering to one particular audience: Never Trumpers. When the NYT stupidly imagined that an unforced unconditional surrender from Trump would be greeted as good news, a certain number of Never Trumpers on Twitter said they would cancel their subscriptions. If Never Trumpism was their reason for subscribing, that’s not such an idle threat.

  200. Art Deco says:
    @Anne

    For Jones, ‘conspiracy’ is his default explanation. Doesn’t require demonstration.

  201. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Richter

    There must have been arrangements of cooperation.

    What do you mean by “arrangements of cooperation”?

    Kind of like if you act up you will be expelled and be on your own in a hostile world.

    Have you ever seen any reports of something like this?

  202. J.Ross says:

    I haven’t been able to get to 8chan in days. Their /newsplus/ page was a scattershot but invaluable headline aggregator, and the real target of the late censorious hysteria: stop people from being able to get the real news by connecting up distant local services.
    Good thing there won’t be any more violence (and, if there is, we’ll just censor it).

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  203. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Andrew

    But it is a tragedy and that’s why we have this wonderful dark TV show.

    What is so wonderful about it?

  204. Kevin Purcell’s Philly War Zone is a good account of white flight.

  205. Dan Hayes says:
    @anon

    anon[142]:

    Howard’s true blue liberal parents made their progeny attend Roosevelt Long Island’s public schools which were unmitigated black disasters. Howard was beaten up every day by his black school mates. It made him what he is today!

    • Replies: @Kibernetika
  206. Anon[100] • Disclaimer says:

    Complaining about white flight is just one long whine of, “Waah!!! They don’t like me enough to stick around!”

    Exactly. If you behaved better, whites would be okay with being your neighbor.

  207. Travis says:
    @John Pepple

    Minneapolis had very few Blacks in 1940, and even today less than 20% of its population is Black. White Flight occurred in the northeastern and midwest cities when the Black population exceeded 20% starting around 1950.

    Blacks began migrating into Philadelphia during the first World War, which caused the Black population to triple between 1910 – 1940. In 1940 Blacks were 12% of the population of Philly, but not significant enough to cause White Flight yet…By 1950 Blacks were 20% of the population which is when white flight began to take off….

    Minneapolis has yet to be ethnically cleansed like Baltimore, Detroit, Newark and Philadelphia. Minneapolis is still 65% white and just 18% Black. White Flight starts when the Black population exceeds 20%….

  208. syonredux says:
    @Hamlet's Ghost

    Yeah, I remember catching this on TV years ago. Here’s a scene that would never get made today:

  209. Anon[100] • Disclaimer says:

    White flight would not exist if we had judges and juries on the side of the victims instead of the criminals, and criminals who were executed for serious crimes, or who had to stay in jail until they were old. Lousy enforcement of the laws created white flight.

  210. J.Ross says:
    @syonredux

    That movie was nearly honest about what happens to a white kid at a black school, with the white kid being of all people young Jeff Bridges.

  211. Alden says:

    You lived in the Chicago area for a long time didn’t you Steve? You must be aware of Arthur Rubloff the biggest block buster of all. Starting in the 1940s the Rubkoff firm selected White neighborhoods. They’d but a small apartment house or a couple small homes and fill them with black thugs who terrorized the neighborhood.

    The Whites would flee. The blacks would flood in. Rubloff firm made money from the selling Whites and buying blacks. They kept some of the buildings and made tens of millions by collecting section 8 rent for their welfare Mamma tenants.

    The Arthur Rubloff firm is the reason the city of Chicago outlawed for sale signs on real estate.

  212. El Dato says:
    @eah

    I just don’t understand Twitter. Who talks to whom about what etc.

    Out of whose brain did that horrific mess crawl???? Useless recycled Web 2.0 dweebs.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  213. Birth Of A Nation

    The progenitor of all subsequent depictions

  214. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I’m going to propose that Minnesota wasn’t typical of the urban North into which the Great Migration of blacks poured from the Deep South.

    The black population was small and stable. It was the grandchildren of the great wave to Chicago, Detroit, etc., that created “Murderapolis” in the early 1990s. Somalis and other Africans came at the same time, and looked good in comparison.

    Covenants were used on Jews more than blacks.

  215. @Oswald Spengler

    “I don’t know what they told you, but I’m not a mook”

  216. What connection is there between slumlordism and leftism? Is the ideology of the latter formed by the former? Can anyone notice any patterns in this list of the worst NY landlords:
    https://landlordwatchlist.com/landlords

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
  217. Anonymous[430] • Disclaimer says:
    @David In TN

    Officer Gleason was slandered by douchebag leftist lawyer William Kunstler who defended the scum who murdered him. Only two in a mob of twenty were successfully prosecuted, and though convicted, the co-killers ended up serving paltry sentences. Officer Gleason’s younger daughter, who was two months old at the time of his murder, grew up to be a NJ county prosecutor.

    https://www.odmp.org/officer/5490-patrolman-john-vincent-gleason-jr

    • Replies: @Corn
  218. songbird says:

    Edgar Rice Burroughs (I believe) wrote a story where an American man goes to Europe after a few years of America having heard nothing from Europe, and finds that everyone is living in the stone age after some cataclysmic war. Eventually, at the end of the story, they meet the Chinese marching West, representing the return of order.

    There is the seed of a really great sci-fi movie or miniseries there. I would change it a bit, make it a Japanese or Chinese team looking to find out what happened to the last Europeans, while simultaneously admiring European accomplishments, like music and art.

    I think it is a really great idea, but I don’t know if even the Japanese would be willing to make it. Probably too much blowback. But it would be so original, since nobody makes movies like that.

  219. @Bugg

    David Simon made his whole career and fortune on 2 TV series about Baltimore’s inner city largely African-American dysfunction. And now tells tells us the problem is evil white people all along.

    Nailed it.

    Jew, who has made a packet off fictionalizing black dysfunction, blames the white gentiles fleeing it … for causing it! … all the while living off in some tony district removed from black crime and disorder. He belongs in some Jewish hall of fame.

    ~~

    It’s not even worth arguing about Jewish hatreds, resentments, propaganda anymore. Everyday, columns and articles and Hollyweird propaganda and a million tweets. Simon hates my people, because his people refused to integrate with us–or very distant relatives to the east–for 1000 years and that–predictably–did not generate warm feelings in return. Ok!

    But why should we tolerate this continual abuse? Simon refuses to do the honorable thing–clear out of my nation and make aliyah. So can’t we just separate? Separate nations.

    Simon can enjoy a rainbow hued utopia free of us racist, white-flighting gentiles. His side should have Baltimore. And Simon, himself, could start reversing white-flight by moving into one of Baltimore’s vibrant neighborhoods that is the source of his loot and in the process show dumb ass hayseed whiteys like me that “diversity is our greatest strength”.

  220. Vinteuil says:
    @Art Deco

    AD, you’re making important points, here, but, seriously, you need to dumb it down a bit.

    The State of Maryland could distribute general revenue to the counties and school districts according to formulae which had as arguments, total population, school age population, and the difference in personal income per capita between the most affluent county and a given county. That would create a riser to stand on for the more impecunious counties and school districts.

    I mean, who, here, besides me, made it past “formulae?”

    • Replies: @Alden
  221. @Ancient Briton

    In the same vein: The Flight of the Phoenix (1965) – Jimmy Stewart et al 99.44/100% White.

    If they made that today, not only would the cast have to be multiracial, but the aircraft model building genius would have to be a black lesbian with ethnic hair style.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  222. Not sure it’s about white flight per se, but David Chase’s upcoming Sopranos prequel about the Newark riots is looking to be a blast.

  223. Pericles says:
    @istevefan

    Second, he mentions that they ran with the $$$ as if those $$$ belonged to everyone but those who had them.

    It could be code for ‘magic dirt’.

  224. Anonymous[430] • Disclaimer says:
    @prime noticer

    most inaccurate idea for decades now: LA has a lot of hot women. no, not really. it has millions of short ugly third world trolls.

    Your comment made me smile. I emigrated to CA from the east coast over thirty years ago. When my elderly WWII vet uncle came to visit me in the late ‘90s, I recall his reaction when we drove along the SF Embarcadero: “Where are all the beautiful women?” he asked. I didn’t have the heart to tell him his brave service in defense of the American people was all for nothing, now that the American people had been replaced by Amerindian people.

  225. OT: Have a look at the hymn of praise to the New York Times that Anand Giridharadas sings in a series of tweets. He’s trying to talk the choir out of cancelling their subscriptions because of one dispassionate headline concerning Trump and the mass shootings:

  226. Ed says:
    @Art Deco

    George Washington did a time series study of his plantation. He found that the slaves worked harder when he was there, then when he was away. He also had quite a few runaways. He concluded the system was inefficient. Martha was so fearful that her slaves would kill her due to George’s will freeing many of them upon his death that she freed them herself.

    Slavery wasn’t a good system.

  227. @istevefan

    Second, he mentions that they ran with the $$$ as if those $$$ belonged to everyone but those who had them.

    As usual, great stuff ISF.

    It’s not just $$$–David Simon has lots of $$$, but those are Jewish $$$. Not the same.

    In the minoritarian narrative whites themselves are the communal property. Whites must present themselves for access by any minorites. Whites keeping to themselves–worst case scenario in a country club–is racism! Whites interacting with minorities and either acting like they are in white western culture or doing well is “white privilege” and “structural racism”.

    White peoples’ job is to be exploitable by minorities. Provide a market for Jews (and other middle man minorities) to exploit. Provide taxes for NAM welfare. Provide a more prosperous and law-abiding nation for immigrants to come to. Provide a safer neighborhood for minorities fleeing other minorities. Provide crime victims for blacks to victimize. And most of all … provide a group everyone else can blame.

  228. @syonredux

    LOL! That’s Rob Reiner,innit?

  229. @prime noticer

    “the average person who has never been to California and learns everything they know from watching movies still thinks it’s the Beach Boys out there”

    Some tourists (especially Japanese/Chinese) come to London expecting to find bowler-hatted City types (they were pretty rare by the mid-80s) and cheerful Cockneys.

    Last week some French tourists at Tate Modern had their child chucked off a viewing platform by a 17 year old who seemed to be copying that mall attack in the US. Kid’s alive but pretty ill.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  230. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    You seem like a reasonable, intelligent person most of the time but you have a bug up your ass about “the Jews”. This is not “your nation”, it’s not Simon’s nation, it belongs to all Americans (even Americans with dual loyalty or even dual citizenship, not that describes most Jews in America). It even belongs to Americans who work day and night for the destruction of the goyim, not that that is what Simon really intends. Simon isn’t going anywhere no matter how much you don’t like him – his claim on America is just as good as yours.

  231. Vinteuil says:
    @AnotherDad

    The whole point of The Wire was to provide lefty white folk with the imaginary experience of cool black friends they’d love to hang out with.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @AceDeuce
  232. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ed

    Slavery wasn’t a good system.

    Compared to what?

  233. Alden says:
    @Autochthon

    Sometimes big and even not so big cities de facto rule. Sometimes the state rules. It depends on the cities and states.

    Since 1850 San Francisco’s ruled California. Right now, . 2 senators, speaker of the US house, of representatives 30 year speaker of the California Assembly governors, present governor Newsom Brown was governor 16 years.

    For a few decades it looked as though S California would become equal to San Francisco and N California. But then in the late 1950s NASA located in Mountain View and Silicon Valley was born. The power went back to San Francisco N California and will stay there until the tech business moves elsewhere.

    The San Francisco Democrat’s rule California. Los Angeles S California Democrats are just the donors.

    Corrupt Chicago rules Illinois. NYC rules New York State.

    It’s not all states. Looney left Seattle and Microsoft don’t rule Washington State. Yet
    But the farmers and ranchers keep flooding the state with Hispanic Indian farm workers. In a few decades the farm workers kids and grandchildren will be voting. The Hispanics will ally with looney left Seattle. And Seattle will rule.

    Detroit Atlanta and St Louis don’t rule their states and won’t in the foreseeable future. Atlanta’s an economic leader. But those 3 cities are just too black and dis functional to rule their states. Pennsylvania rules. Not Philadelphia or Pittsburg.

    It all depends on the state and how black and dysfunctional the big cities are. Colorado doesn’t rule Colorado. Ohio, not its biggest city rules. It all depends.

    • Agree: Autochthon
  234. El Dato says:
    @AnotherDad

    Some providers protesting that they are allowed to own guns (looks like a small group of people with various physical disabilities though)

    Protesters threaten to stab Mitch McConnell outside his home (VIDEO)

    Not much up, but it’s rather Ghandi-esque.

  235. Alden says:
    @Vinteuil

    It means the wealthier White counties give their tax money to ; or more realistically, flush their tax money down the black Baltimore sewers.

    Money solves many problems. It doesn’t solve all problems. And it doesn’t solve any problems that involve blacks and their dysfunctional towns.

  236. @Travis

    NYC didn’t really need the Hispanic term until we acquired sizable non-Puerto Rican Spanish speaking populations.

  237. Dtbb says:
    @syonredux

    How many gables at the Delta House?

  238. @Charlesz Martel

    What happened to the criminal element among them? Dead and incarcerated mostly?

    I live in Miami now and things are much calmer. I wasn’t here in 1980 but friends that were tell some hair-raising stories.

  239. George says:

    “They didn’t flee slums”

    But what did they flee?

    Leaded gasoline
    Coal fired power plants and boilers, and maybe even trains.
    Lead paint
    The Mafia
    The Irish Mob
    Financial crisis due to excessive pay and benefits for local government workers
    Corrupt government including teachers, police and fire.

    The suburbs featured new buildings, new towns without unfunded pension schemes, ect

    Who moved into the emptying cities? Immigrants and southern blacks. There is a lot of nostalgia for the old white ethnic neighborhoods and an assumption that it was blacks that chased out the whites. Southern blacks backfilled where the whites left. Many whites left the cities because their employers relocated.

  240. @Steve Richter

    Was there white flight from slave areas?

    Yes. A lot.

    The most prominent example would be none other than the family of Abraham Lincoln.

    The Yankee people in Kansas fought the Missouri border ruffians not because they were abolitionist, but because they wanted to keep blacks and slavery out of Missouri. This is the true history of Northern white attitudes towards blacks.

    In his excellent work, ‘The Impending Crisis: 1848-1861′, David M. Potter shared the following quote from an old, New England-born Kansas Jayhawker farmer:

    “I kem here to Kansas to live in a free territory, and I don’t want ni***rs a-trampin’ on my grave!”

    This quote is intelligible only according to old (sensible) definitions of freedom and old American racial understanding.

  241. @Muse

    It is a very good thing you have done. Most other whites have not taught their children these hard truths.

  242. @Jack D

    I know this was somewhat mentioned a few days ago, dealing with the Somalian president, but how exactly do we have dual citizenship again?

    I can see an American-born individual taking on citizenship somewhere else, because they never voluntarily swore an oath here. I don’t like it but there it is. (I think the IRS should make leaving easier.)

    But I don’t know how naturalized citizens can be dual citizens. It literally makes the oath of allegiance worthless.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_Allegiance_(United_States)

    So no, America doesn’t belong to someone like that as much as it does to me. And the only reason it’s allowed is because people have not pushed back enough. I think that time is coming.

  243. Alden says:
    @Bugg

    Never watched or heard of The Wire. Although the TV shows are bad, it’s the incessant commercials I just can’t stand. There are some sit com series on Netflix Hulu etc. Those services state exact hours minutes and seconds of a movie or TV episode. Look at that info. 30 minute show, 15 14 minutes of the show. 15 16 minutes of commercials.

    I just get bored because of the commercials and read a book or do something else. Anything else

    I’ve noticed that when movies are shown on TV any scene that’s not really necessary to move the story along is cut to make room for commercials. Old enough to remember when AMC was commercial free? Now a 2 hour movie is stretched to 4 hours because of the commercials

    Many families don’t have cable and network TV at all. They have a screen for Amazon Prime Netflix etc but no regular TV. One has to fight with the WiFi Service about it but it’s worth it. .

  244. @Mr. Anon

    Since the original novel is a lying piece of Jewish trash, this miniseries will be equally hackneyed propaganda.

    But it does give me the opportunity to link to Mr. Bill Kauffman’s outstanding destruction of Roth’s disgusting “work.”

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/heil-to-the-chief/

  245. Whiskey says: • Website
    @AnotherDad

    Donald Trump wants the death penalty for a comment like that. Remember that. And Trump is the least radical. Looks like he’s going to be impeached and convicted before the Summer is out.

    President Harris she has more … convincing ideas. She finds your lack of enthusiasm for diversity… disturbing.

    You and Steve and the rest have this idea that America exists or that it can be saved.

    It can’t. This is the global hotel for the third world. You are here to provide money and work for the new captains. Look at them!

    There is no act or group of acts that can change that. The die was set during Clintons time. You are just like me a despised and discriminated White person who are masters do not even wish to continue to exist.

    It is our job to survive. Period. Our nation is dead never to return. Abandon hopium for the crack that it is. Get ready for a nationwide gun seizure with cops and military kicking down every White mans door but not any person of color. Get ready for all sorts of reparations and more.

    It is our duty to our families and heritage to survive. Everything else is bs.

    They are the captain now.

    • Replies: @istevefan
  246. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    Mr. Simon would benefit from a better attitude.

    While we’re at it, dual citizenship should simply not be recognized in this country. If someone’s a passive holder of foreign citizenship (e.g. Ted Cruz’s Canadian citizenship) that’s not much of an issue. However, the moment someone runs for office, obtains a government job, or obtains a law license, it should be legally required that he sign a formal statement renouncing his foreign citizenship, cc to the nearest consulate.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  247. @Barnard

    That is NOT an accurate description of Walt’s children and grandchildren

    There is basically no depiction of them interacting, or choosing not to interact, with the immigrants. They are depicted as greedy, yes. But primarily, they are shown as unwilling to interact with Walt.

    If anything, the children and grandchildren are ashamed of Walt for being old-school.

    The suburbs were better than the alternative of living among black crime, but they were still built purposefully to turn whites into rootless, consumerist drones. And THAT is what Walt’s children and grandchildren are depicted as having become.

  248. @njguy73

    Rogers Hornsby was the best second baseman in MLB history.

    I’ll vote for Robbie Alomar

  249. @syonredux

    Wow, I’m surprised it could be made even in 1970. Reiner couldn’t be too proud of it now.

    • Agree: David In TN
  250. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    1. They were returning back to their native roots. Again, most Americans did not reside in cities for most of their history.

    It’s pretty flippant of you to conflate rural, 19th century living (“roots”) with the totally contrived, auto-based suburbs of the post-war period.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  251. Alden says:
    @dearieme

    I think Rachman used black thugs to drive out the Whites and then charged his black tenants high rents that were paid by the welfare department. So he made a lot more that 6 percent. He was primarily a landlord not a real estate salesman. The buying of property was just the means to becoming a landlord.

  252. @Mr. Anon

    Why wasn’t Simon ever been held to account for his work on The Wire as a racist who traffics in “tropes” and “dogwhistles” about black dysfunction?

    I think he is now, that’s why he’s so pissed. The Wire is almost a documentary on Black dysfunction and corruption. Now that Baltimore is under the magnifying glass, I’m guessing more then one conservative type has used The Wire to illustrate their point. It debuted in 2002, before the social justice loon’s took over the Dem’s and long before Trump derangement syndrome. Now Simon’s liberal bonafides are being questioned, forcing him to go on the defensive and grovel at the feet of the SJW’s with language like “fuckmook” and of course blame it all on Whitey.

  253. @TWS

    Can’t be. Steve says only liberals moved out.

  254. @Reg Cæsar

    Conservatives aren’t innocent of this kind of thing, but they do it in reverse. Now they defend old progressive atrocities like nuclear war and, well, the Interstate Highway System.

    True

    But of course, no real right-winger or traditionalist could ever defend the Federal Housing Authority or the Interstate Highway System.

    The fact that the FHA came out of the Roosevelt den is a pretty clear sign that the intention was to use “home ownership” as an Orwellian future tool of destroying small towns and urban neighborhoods in favor of rootless consumerism.

    The American subsidization of the car was also a disaster. Our passenger rail service was the best in the world. We blew that up in favor of becoming addicted to our cars.

  255. Corvinus says:

    “Simon just wants to know: Why are white people so stupid that they can’t understand that the message of The Wire is: White People Are Bad? Why aren’t they intellectually sophisticated enough to grasp that complex concept?”

    No, that would Mr. Sailer putting his own spin on what HE wants to believe Simon wants his audience to know.

    “Anyway, has there ever been a movie or TV show that presents the reasons for 1950s-1980s White Flight from integrating neighborhoods honestly…”

    Honestly, somewhere in between lies the truth.

    https://psmag.com/social-justice/white-flight-remains-a-reality

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
  256. Corvinus says:
    @Vinteuil

    “The whole point of The Wire was to provide lefty white folk with the imaginary experience of cool black friends they’d love to hang out with.”

    You haven’t been NOTICING. Gen Z, for example, is notorious for black-white-Asian-Indian (feather, dot)-other relationships and friendships. And “white folk” regardless of their ideology hang out socially with people of color, whether at work, at sportsball, or a watering hole.

    Anecdotally, in my neighborhood, we have a good mix of people. I don’t have to worry about lil’ Abdul throwing molotov cocktails or lil’ Dre’ jack my ride.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    , @Jeff Stryker
  257. R.G. Camara says: • Website
    @prime noticer

    It’s the same sad way-outdated cliche of the Catholic Church being full of right wing old priests and tons of nuns who are all so repressed and traditional and anti-science, man. And also sexual predators. Then one gay priest comes along and brings in tons of followers and is perfect to everyone, but the old bigots can’t handle it, man!

    There was actually an episode of Bones from the last 10 years that depicted the Church exactly like that, so this nonsense is still rampant. These (((folks))) really know no shame in these lies.

    Of course, its exactly the opposite in reality. There are no more nuns and monks, and the old priests are Vatican II commie-homo installations who are all homos raping teenage runaways, driving people from the pews, and singing Peace chants. Some younger priests today are old school traditional, but they’re getting shit on by all the homos on top.

    Ironically, the only depiction I’ve seen that somewhat accurately depicts this real current dynamic is Angels & Demons, where the young priest/wanna-be-pope/killer is depicted as an arch-traditionalist Catholic, while the older bishops are all wise lefties. Of course, the arch-traditionalist is a bad guy, while the lefty bishops are all good, but at least they depict the age-cohorts correctly for these times.

  258. @ricpic

    Hornsby was actually .358 for his career. He’s second only to Ty Cobb, who hit .366 for his career.

  259. R.G. Camara says: • Website
    @Corvinus

    lol. I see Mr. Brock does not believe denying the violence of blacks completely is ok, so he’s going for the “both sides are to blame, both sides are bad” argument that American Commies tried when the evils of the Soviet Communism and Cuba’s repression and Mao’s China could not be denied.

    It didn’t work then and it won’t work now, commie. But nice try on the lie, kiddo!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  260. @Jack D

    Jack you changed the subject in the middle of your comment. Should AnotherDad have a “bug up his ass” about the Jews or not? Whether Simon or whoever has a “claim on America” is irrelevant.

    Staying on topic, should us goyim just disregard the simmering ethnic hatred coming from the Simons’, the Boot’s, the Bret Stephen’s, the Erdeley’s, the execrable Sontag’s? Should we pretend its coming from just other white people, same as the rest of us? If so maybe they shouldn’t preface so many sentences with “as a Jew” if they’re trying to blend in.

    Would you also recommend your co-ethnics dial it back a bit, perhaps remind them America has treated them pretty well and that maybe even the more good-willed goyim are noticing the bottomless hatred? Your comments are generally “reasonable and intelligent” but I can’t recall a single one where you say something along the lines of “that Jew is really being a bigoted asshole”.

    You said yourself that AD seems reasonable and intelligent. I would think that if reasonable and intelligent people are starting to conclude “I don’t hate Jews, but they sure seem to hate me”, that might concern the reasonable and intelligent among the Jews. Nobody can say what the future holds, but it seems like putting such effort into making enemies out of the only ethnic group in our wonderful multi-ethnic stew that, on balance, really likes you people might be a bad idea. Just my $0.02.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @Reg Cæsar
  261. syonredux says:
    @syonredux

    And if anyone tried to do the scene at 13 minutes in today (Black girls go on an anti-Becky rampage) , they would be permanently banned from Hollywood……

    • Replies: @International Jew
  262. R.G. Camara says: • Website
    @Corvinus

    Anecdotally, in my neighborhood, we have a good mix of people. I don’t have to worry about lil’ Abdul throwing molotov cocktails or lil’ Dre’ jack my ride.

    Mr. Soros tends to be discriminating in his minority hires, agreed. He hires only the best (non-violent) token diversity jokes, except when he needs them killing cops in the Black Lives Matter movement.

  263. Hail says: • Website
    @AnotherDad

    Jew, who has made a packet off fictionalizing black dysfunction, blames the white gentiles fleeing it … for causing it!

    The Poles had a saying; I choose to not quote it in full, but it included the words: “…cries out in pain as he strikes you.”

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  264. Corvinus says:
    @Joe, Averaged

    https://digitalcommons.iwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1112&context=econ_honproj

    “Although invasion-succession predicts this process of ‘white flight,’ the obvious question is what is so wrong with having minority neighbors? Why do white higher status residents move out when minorities move in? A possible explanation in the literature is pure discrimination: whites dislike minorities because they are not white (Bobo and Zubrinsky 1996). A second explanation stresses the proxy component of racial aversion: white people avoid minority neighborhoods not because of race, but because of the other neighborhood concerns correlated with racial composition like the poverty rate.

    In other words, because socio-economic status and race are often correlated, higher-income whites may avoid integrated areas because of the economic status of its residents who happen to be minorities. Consequently, some studies find that white flight may be more of a flight from poverty and decay than a flight from minorities (Jego and Roehner 2006, Vidgor 2007, Harris 1999).

    These studies both note that as neighborhoods decline, middle-class minorities often leave alongside their white counterparts.

    Similarly, the filtering theory depicts neighborhood change, not based on a changing minority population, but on a declining housing stock. This model, introduced by Hoyt (1933) and developed by Smith (1963), explains neighborhood change as a function of decisions made by property owners. Because maintenance costs rise with the age, homeowners and landlords will invest decreasing amounts of capital as buildings age according to this theory. Thus as the housing stock ages, owners invest less and less in their properties. Rather than making home repairs, more affluent residents move out of the neighborhood into areas with newer homes.

    Sternlieb (1966) relates the filtering theory to the used car market, explaining that when people upgrade to a new car, they sell their old car at a lower price as a used car. Similar is the bid rent model developed by Muth (1969). This model explains neighborhood change as a function of a trade-off between housing quality and proximity to the city.

    Studies by Fujita (1989) and Leven et al (1976) demonstrate empirical support for the idea that the more affluent will sacrifice commute time for housing quality. Based on this literature, one would expect the age of the housing stock and distance from the city center to affect the quality of an area. However, these theories make the questionable assumption that individuals cannot always freely choose where to live. For example, a minority family may wish to move further away from the city, but cannot because of discrimination in the real estate market they cannot rent or purchase a home (Hyra 2008).”

  265. @Art Deco

    Glad to see you don’t have an actual response to Mr. Jones’s argument.

  266. dr kill says:
    @istevefan

    Seeing it here in PBC in horse country, many many stables recently sold to Germans, French and Danes. My RE woman said the big money is already leaving Europe, selling before they can’t.

    • Replies: @istevefan
  267. @AnotherDad

    I don’t know about Simon (his public pronouncements are usually liberally stupid). And I don’t care about him. Just, my opinion about his TV work is:

    1. “Homicide: Life on the Streets” was one of the greatest shows, a true creative masterpiece. But, it was “art TV”. Not realistic in ordinary sense of the word, cops being, many of them, existentialist philosophers or tormented spiritual questers after the meaning of life. So, this show had only partial documentary value & in what was worth, as a work of art TV, was a creation of Tom Fontana & his crew, not Simon. Simon was, actually, dissatisfied because he is basically journalist-reporter, not a visual artist interested in complex psychologies. Blacks figured prominently in H:LotS & were portrayed as full human beings.

    2. “The Wire” was more of a documentary TV show & it was Simon’s show. This show was essentially an exercise in sociology through a journalist’s eyes. I didn’t watch “Wire” closely, but I found a few themes or “messages” in it, and my reaction was: I felt revulsion toward blacks because they were depicted as cartoonish human garbage; I found the story-line about smart black run operation absolutely unbelievable because blacks are not intelligent enough to mastermind anything so complex (and unnecessary) at that level; some characters, like gay black Robin Hood Omar were totally absurd & unreal, plus odious; the whole Baltimore was rendered as a cesspool & I don’t think that any normal white, Asian, … would want anything else than nuke the whole damn shithole.

    I can’t decipher Simon’s world-view in that show. In his pronouncements, he is evidently a zombie liberal. But his chief oeuvre reeks of fatalism, desperation & disgust. As for Jewish angle, I haven’t seen his Jews as anything different; his whites (mostly Catholics) are also ordinary 2-dimensional people with ethnic (Irish, Polish, Italian) ties, while blacks are unbelievable, absurd- yet, I suspect, Simon harbors secret fascination with them & sees them as both vital primitives & victims of whole “capitalist” machinery; just brutal everyday reality leaves the stench of blackness as something essentially criminal & parasitic (with, of course, a few exceptions).

    With regard to the topic: I don’t think that any truly controversial & painful social, cultural etc. issue was covered in American cinema, which tends to idealize everything (believers in 2nd chance). French, German, Italian…cinema are slightly more realist, but not much more.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    , @Kronos
  268. Alden says:
    @Arclight

    I’ve seen the pendulum swing from realistic discussions when I was a child to just anti White denial about black pathology since 1960.

    There was a tightening of criminal laws in the late 1980s early 90s. But that pendulum has swung back to dint even arrest, let alone charge and convict black criminals. There’s even been discussions about forbidding DNA evidence because of discrimination against blacks by extreme Jew liberals.

    When I started as a probation officer in 1968 the penalty for a rape conviction in San Francisco County was 3 weeks evaluation in a mental hospital and then release. This in a county where the convicted rapists were virtually all black.

    The sentence for murder, not manslaughter was 3 1/2 years in California in the late 60s. 7 year sentence they served 3 1/2 years.

    The liberals, the Justice Democrats ( they’re the Soros group that put AOC Talib and the Gang of Four into congress) the blacks liberals and Jews are now fomenting a major backlash against the criminal justice system with the object of ending conviction and incarceration of black criminals.

    There’s also Own Recognizance for every black arrested for whatever reason. That ends the bail for money system and bail hearings where the district attorney argues the defendant should not be released pending trial. OR means they get arrested and are released within hours, no bail hearing.

    What the anti White liberals want is a return to the 60s 70s 80s when black crime was rampant and unpunished

    • Replies: @JackOH
  269. R.G. Camara says: • Website
    @guest

    Omar was the hero of the show, killing and punishing drug dealers as some sort of black-gay-corrupt avenging angel. Many whites loved him for doing what they want to be done to bad blacks but are afraid to say it.

    Racist is the new witch.

    Anyway, its the same way people cheered when Tony Soprano beat up a scumbag bothering people or intimidated a guy into taking off his hat indoors or threatened the black kid sniffing around his daughter.

  270. Alden says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Rachman wasn’t a rental agent. He was the landlord once his black thugs chased the Whites out. He wasn’t a real estate agent rental agent or real estate broker. He was a buyer and landlord.

  271. JackOH says:

    On the strength of this article, I took a Google Maps 5-minute tour of the neighborhood where I spent my growing-up years in the 1960s. The walk from my house to my grandparents’, where my grandmother would make crepes for me in summer when my Mom was working. Whole city blocks returned to earth, with a few decaying houses still standing, uninhabited.

    My first gut-level thought?

    Sin.

    Don’t ask me to explain or defend. I can’t. My religiosity is no more than “reviving Christian”, non-dogmatic type. But, I saw and felt sin.

  272. R.G. Camara says: • Website

    Simon’s reaction is really like John Carpenter’s reaction whenever people point out that the crypsis-hidden alien overlords in They Live bear an awful strong resemblance in deed and practice to stereotypes about Jews. Carpenter hits the roof and denies any connection in strong language:

    I wonder if Simon and Carpenter are authentic in their autistic inability to see the truths their works of art speak to, or whether their fervent denials are part of a conscious strategy to keep themselves in good graces of the Corporate Media. In other words: are they True Believers or Hucksters?

    • Replies: @guest
  273. @AnotherDad

    Flight of the Phoenix got remade in 2004 with a somewhat diverse cast. I watched it on DVD because Hugh Laurie was in it. It wasn’t terrible, but it lost boatloads of money.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_of_the_Phoenix_(2004_film)

  274. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:

    Black Attack and White Flight and Jew Flew.

    Even as Jews flew from blacks, they bitch about ‘white flight’, as if it’s only some white gentile thing.

    Why? Jews make too much money off black singers and athletes. Also, Jews use ‘white guilt’ mainly in relation to slavery and Jim Crow to control whites.

  275. @Simon Tugmutton

    Thanks. Funny that you should mention that movie, because in the process of writing my comment, the only movie that I could think of that met the criteria was All Quiet On The Western Front.

    I suppose what I was meaning was that it is almost impossible for a movie to achieve suspension of disbelief, a phrase originally coined by Samuel Taylor Coleridge, the author of the Rime of the Ancient Mariner, Kublai Khan, and other poems.

    From Wikipedia:

    With any film, the viewer has to ignore the reality that they are viewing a staged performance and temporarily accept it as their reality in order to be entertained. Black-and-white films provide an obvious early example that audiences are willing to suspend disbelief, no matter how implausible the images appear, for the sake of entertainment. With the exception of totally color blind people (achromats), no person viewing these films sees the real world without color, but some are still willing to suspend disbelief and accept the images in order to be entertained.

    Suspension of disbelief is also supposed to be essential for the enjoyment of many films and television shows involving complex stunts, special effects, and seemingly unrealistic plots and characterizations.

    I am not much of a movie fan and find it very hard to achieve suspension of disbelief. Perhaps the closest I ever came to it was when watching the movie Breaker Morant.

    The film concerns the 1902 court martial of Lieutenants Harry Morant, Peter Handcock, and George Witton—one of the first war crime prosecutions in British military history. Australians serving in the British Army during the Second Anglo-Boer War, Lts. Morant, Handcock, and Witton stood accused of murdering captured enemy combatants and an unarmed civilian in the Northern Transvaal. The film is notable for its exploration of the Nuremberg Defense, the politics of the death penalty, and the human cost of total war. As the trial unfolds, the events in question are shown in flashbacks. [Wikipedia}

    I came out of the movie theater in Bermuda circa 1982 positively fuming with rage at the injustice of it all.

    However for the most part when watching movies I am mildly amused, but never forget that the movie has a script and a cameraman and lighting and actors, and sets, and so on and that I am just watching a visual storyline filmed on a sound stage and directed by a raconteur whose name appears somewhere on the credits.

    I have also been to Hollywood on the Universal Studios tour to see how movies are made, which furthered my inability to suspend belief

    To me it is unimaginable that someone who participates in the making of a fictional movie could be believe that the movie was true, as Ronald Reagan appears to have done when relating a “true” story of military heroism that appeared to have been taken from fictional events depicted in a movie called A Wing And A Prayer.

    I think that the main reason it is difficult to suspend belief is just that real life is messy and movies are neat, and I always remember that line by movie critic Pauline Kael about how the name of the character played by Kevin Costner in Dances With Wolves should have been Plays With Camera.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @Anonymous
  276. @William Badwhite

    I wasn’t here in 1980 but friends that were tell some hair-raising stories.

    Tell us some please.

  277. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:

    A lot of small businessmen who did business in black areas were Jewish. So, it was Jews who ran with the $$$.

  278. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:

    Apparently, blacks cannot generate their own money.

    But here’s the thing. Even if whites ran but without the money(that went to blacks), whites would have made more money whereas blacks would have spent all the money and ended up just the same.

    So much money has been poured into black schools, but black students still suck.
    And so much money has been poured into Africa. So, what do blacks have to show for it?

  279. Alden says:
    @International Jew

    It’s amazing how property values and taxes change with the race of the owners. I’m most familiar with the Fillmore Divisadero neighborhood of San Francisco. By 1960, just 15 years after the WW2 black invasion the value of those buildings was down to 1925 prices. Starting early 80s White gun carrying gay men moved in and the neighborhood recovered.

    Same thing in the Protero neighborhood. In Protero blacks invaded homes during the day when the owners were at work and loaded the furniture into trucks and smashed what they couldn’t take away. Protero recovered when the blacks moved out.

    Identical building identical condition when Whites live in the neighborhood the value of the building is high and so are the property taxes.

    Blacks move in and value of the buildings and property taxes plummet to nothing.

    That’s why Nixon created section 8. Whether owned or rented to residents, property taxes in black neighborhoods were too low to support the cities.

    Section 8 in 3 sentences.

    Whites pay income taxes to the federal government.
    The federal government gives our tax money to the landlords of blacks.
    The landlords use the White taxpayers money to pay the property taxes on their buildings.

  280. Clyde says:

    The whole point of The Wire was to provide lefty white folk with the imaginary experience of cool black friends they’d love to hang out with.

    I never watched it. I saw at most ten minutes.

  281. AP says:
    @Bugg

    Mike Royko wrote that in Chicago the city let crime get out of control so that the middle or working class (whites) fled, property values tanked, then developers connected to the politicians bought the land cheap and made a lot of money off gentrification.

  282. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:

    I suggest the Simon Solution premised on what the wise David Simon said.

    The Simon Premise.

    1. White gentiles are a**hole ‘racists’.

    2. Jewish liberals are so nice and love blacks.

    3. Blacks are noble and wonderful people.

    4. Blacks suffer and are mired in crime and poverty ONLY because white $$$ left black areas. And blacks won’t be able to do much without infusion of white $$$, the benjamins.

    Then, the Simon Solution should be as follows.

    Since whites are a**hole ‘racists’, we can’t expect them to do the right thing. But since Jewish Liberals like Simon care so much and are so very good, they will surely do the right thing. In huge numbers, Jews will move into poverty-stricken black neighborhoods and away from white a**hole ‘racists’.

    Also, as Jews got so many benjamins, they will invest the bulk of their money into black areas, black businesses, black workers, black everything. Jews got so much money from Las Vegas, Hollywood, Big Pharma, real estate, law firms, and etc. If there’s one thing Jews don’t lack, it’s the mega-bucks. Since Jews are RICH + WOKE, they will surely pour the bulk of their dough to aid the Bro.

    And when black communities turn into utopias, we shall give full credit to the wonderful Jews.

    So, let’s have it. The Simon Solution. And, NO ONE is preventing Simon and his Jewish Liberal friends(over 80% of Jews) from carrying it out. Unlike sanctions on Russia and Iran, there are no sanctions against anyone or any people from investing in the black community. No one is preventing Jews from implementing the Simon Solution.

    Come on, Simon you f***mook, go ahead and do it and show us the way. Take the millions you earned from TV and invest the $$$ Benjamins into Baltimore.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
  283. gregor says:
    @Charlesz Martel

    “Typical X Behavior”

    The rest is left as an exercise for the reader.

  284. You dumb fuckmook, the flight of the white tax base en masse from West Baltimore dates to 1955-57. No slums in those neighborhoods just frightened whites fearing the blockbust and running with all the tax money over the county line. They didn’t flee slums.

    That’s the point, you fuckin’ asshole. They didn’t create the slums. The people who replaced them did, as did the people who enabled that replacemnet.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  285. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘Racism’ is just another word for Evolutionism.

    Evolution is real, it led to the emergence of different groups/races. Blacks are more aggressive, more thuggish, and tougher/stronger. That’s the main reason for white flight and Jew Flew.

  286. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    This is obviously wrong, this is a cartoon lawyer reasoning. Given two major shareholders with equal and uncontested ownership, one of whom wants the company to do well, and one of whom is ranting about how the company screwed him over years ago and how he will get his revenge by completely destroying its every asset, there is obviously to anyone a disqualification of ownership which comes before whatever the law says and whatever the contracts say. Without any concern for survival we get a version of Joseph Conrad’s Nostromo obsession where the steward hands the goods over to the bad guys, instead of either preserving them or destroying them, we get abdication. For reasons that are below your reasoning you’re not allowed to ask for abdication.

  287. syonredux says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    With any film, the viewer has to ignore the reality that they are viewing a staged performance and temporarily accept it as their reality in order to be entertained. Black-and-white films provide an obvious early example that audiences are willing to suspend disbelief, no matter how implausible the images appear, for the sake of entertainment. With the exception of totally color blind people (achromats), no person viewing these films sees the real world without color, but some are still willing to suspend disbelief and accept the images in order to be entertained.

    Contemporary Brit accents in films set in Tudor times always throw me off. I’d love to hear people talking like this:

  288. gregor says:

    Not white flight exactly, but this scene from National Lampoon’s Vacation (1980) is the first thing that came to mind:

    Roll ‘em up!

  289. STL says:

    Not a movie, but the documentary Spanish Lake is all about white flight in Saint Louis. Highly recommended. On Netflix.

  290. @Jack D

    You seem like a reasonable, intelligent person most of the time but you have a bug up your ass about “the Jews”. This is not “your nation”, it’s not Simon’s nation, it belongs to all Americans (even Americans with dual loyalty or even dual citizenship, not that describes most Jews in America).

    He has a “bug up his ass about the Jews” because “the Jews” disagree with your apologetic claim.

    Organized Jewry does not believe that whites have any ownership interest in the country (or even themselves).

    • Agree: Hail
  291. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    There was a comedy in the mid-’80s called Odd Jobs in which a group of friends start a moving company. To boost business, the black one recruits a couple of his black friends to play basketball in white families’ driveways, encouraging them to move.

  292. Alden says:
    @Hodag

    I had a book of Ryko’s articles. The articles were very entertaining but there was an underlying defense of black dysfunction and sneer sneer sneer at other Whites. Did he have kids? Did he send them to public schools with the black animals? Don’t know what became of the book.

    He was also very admiring of the corrupt Chicago politicians. Well, like the Mafia, crooked corrupt politicians are a good source of material.

    • Replies: @Mike Zwick
  293. Mike Hite says:
    @Arclight

    It might take a Democrat in the WH for the stark difference

    We just finished with one of those democrats that totally made race relations worse, made a mess of everything and the truth did not come out. Most people are too afraid to tell the truth about how bad it is in America, they are too stupid, too brainwashed, or a mixture of of all I mentioned.

  294. Anonymous[934] • Disclaimer says:

    My old man was very much an urban Republican and happy in a DC townhouse. But after marrying late and with a young wife and kid, seeing the riots in DC…that was a no go and family got a house in the burbs. He voted with his feet.

  295. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    This is not “your nation”, it’s not Simon’s nation, it belongs to all Americans (even Americans with dual loyalty or even dual citizenship, not that describes most Jews in America). It even belongs to Americans who work day and night for the destruction of the goyim, not that that is what Simon really intends. Simon isn’t going anywhere no matter how much you don’t like him – his claim on America is just as good as yours.

    The same applies to “Israel.” The claims of Muslim and Christians on the land are just as good (or better) than claims by Jews. Yet Jews insist on calling it a “Jewish State.”

  296. Alden says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I’m sorry, but what are TNB TJB TKB? Don’t forget the tens of millions of Whites who have life long bladder and urinary tract infections because they couldn’t use bathrooms from 8 in the morning till 3 in the afternoons or later.

    Just the noise and filthy language. All schools are noisy at lunch. But with just 30 percent blacks the screeching in the classrooms can be heard 3 blocks away all day long.

  297. @Dan Hayes

    There was indeed a documentary film or TV doc made about white flight from Roosevelt, NY, Long Island, although I can’t find references to it at the moment. Perhaps it was was never released or it was memory-holed. My dad graduated from Roosevelt High ~1946, and a few decades later his fellow alumni were Eddie Murphy and Flava Flav.

    This paper purports to address the issues about racial disparities on LI, but it tends to support the stereotypes that it tries to dismiss, if read objectively.

    https://racialequitytools.org/resourcefiles/irp.pdf

  298. @Bardon Kaldian

    Regarding “The Wire” was loaned the entire series on DVD by a liberal co-worker, A good show, but uneven, not the masterpiece many lefties make out to be. Season two was the best, after that it became a platform for Simon’s political views and became increasingly unrealistic, particularly the last season.

    Season two was the best in large part because it was the least political of them all. Portrayed the black drug dealers as really just foot soldiers for a Greek crime family that truly ran organized crime in the city. I don’t know anything about Baltimore, but considering how good the season was found it plausible.

    Showed the provincialism of a lot of urban blacks, a drug dealer character had never left Baltimore his entire life or visited Philly until this episode despite being a one and a half hour drive away. Show was really an old fashioned male oriented liberal drama, almost all the main characters are male, the only major character on all 5 seasons who is female is a black, lesbian police officer.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  299. Steve

    Not so off topic:

    Did you hear the news about what happened in Punk Rock Star Billy Idol’s hometown today…..Patchogue Long Island(20 miles down Sunrise Highway from Massepequa hometown of the Stray Cats)…….I just saw it on infowars….

  300. Svigor says:

    So, the Whites didn’t flee slums, they fled the incoming blacks who would create them.*

    Knowing the incoming blacks would create slums = bad )))YT(((, bad!

    Meanwhile, among God’s Chosen…

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/democratic-socialists-of-america-go-full-open-borders/#comment-3375593

    *It’s pretty nonsensical project fleeing slums as the norm; the idea is not to find oneself in a slum in the first place.

  301. Kylie says:
    @Andrew

    I watched the first episode of “The Wire” when it first aired. I was angry and incredulous that these black thugs were portrayed in a positive light simply because they were black, or so it seemed to me. I refused to watch it from then on. My first impression must have been correct because The Grauniad just loved it.

    I wish the worst on David Simon and his ilk.

  302. @Jack D

    Some time ago I wrote a longish piece on the topic. Well, for what is worth….

    First- there is no Grand Jewish Conspiracy against white race or Christianity, this is rubbish. Most people here are deluded conspiracy aficionados.

    American Jews, most of them, have their roots in Russian Empire (they’ve swamped earlier, more “European” German Jewish immigrants). They have retained their national culture (Yiddish, written in Hebrew script), numerous dietary laws & other customs. In short, US got mostly unassimilated ghetto Jews.

    Due to their work ethics, culture, slightly higher IQ & ethnic networking, they thrived in the US in various areas & became very influential. From early 1900s to, perhaps, Six Days War in 1967, most of them tried to assimilate & become virtually indistinguishable from WASPs.

    But then, things changed & many US Jews had recovered their primary ethnic-cultural identity as Jews first. Because this is a sensitive issue, there is no profusion of reliable sociological investigation data, graphs, categorizations. Just, as a rule of thumb, we can divide Jewish Americans into a few
    categories:

    1. JINOs. Many US “Jews” are assimilated & don’t think of themselves as Jews primarily. They account for anything between 20% and 50%.

    2. secular & religious Jews who possess partial Jewish identity, but for them it is blended with broader American loyalty. It is hard to tell how many people belong to this category.

    3. religious Orthodox Jews who may be annoying as neighbors, but are not too politically minded.

    4. the last segment would be American Jews (as different from Jewish Americans). They can be secular or religious; rich or poor; intensity of their commitment to Israel or Jewish ethnic activism may vary, but they are basically cultural aliens in US & Europe. For secularists, Auschwitz & Israel have replaced Torah & Talmud as chief emotional anticorrosives that shield them from assimilation.

    My guess is that they are somewhere between 15% and 25% of all US Jews. This segment can be further divided into subsegments (for instance, some are anti-Christian, while others are not). But, what is common to them is their clear differentiation from host national cultures, stubborn insistence on their ethnic-national individuality & a sense of being an “endangered species”. Some subsegments of this portion of American Jews are true aliens in the US & through their ethnic activism, frequently masked as moral universalism, try to subvert dominant cultural values & change host society into a shapeless mess.

    This is a minority of Jewish Americans, but they have economic, societal, cultural & political impact by far surpassing their numbers. And they seem not to learn from history: Brazilian Jews, because of slow but inevitable future collapse of multiracial Brazilian society are just trying to “get out”. Jewish elites, across the world, are still in thrall to Nazi-Aryan iconography & mythology as the central threat to their existence, while the world has moved past it long ago.

    In this, last portion of Jewish Americans one can find typical traits of cultural alienation, ethnic paranoia, “us” vs. “them” mentality, ..basically, a sense of being a perpetual stranger who wants to shape the dominant discourse & identity in order to avoid- in their eyes- future pogroms & genocide. Because in the fevered mind of pathological Jewish nationalists, Europeans & whites, virtually all of them, possess the inner Nazi screaming to get out & finally finalize the Final Solution.

    Jews in the US are generally correctly described by Lawrence Auster, and I think he got them right 80-90% (where I disagree with him are some subtle points where I’m “softer” on them than he was): http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/024334.html

    Then- I don’t think that attacks on Jews in the US & Europe by coalition of various fringe-coloreds-and-lunatics will change their attitudes. The reason is not that some big Jewish moneyed elites don’t care for little Shlomo, but in, mostly, two factors:

    a) modern Western Jews are more progressives than Jews. They’ll die taking selfies with Afro-Muslims bludgeoning them to death, cuz it’s kewl.

    b) ethnically aware Jews are still in thrall of Nazi blonde beast & Auschwitz, so they coined the term Islamo-Fascism which is a laughable nonsense, if only because European right wingers & blood-and-soil extremists viscerally hate all blacks & browns, even more than their relatively bleached & integrated Semitic cousins of yore. So, out of cognitive dissonance- and not from some grand strategic plan- most Jews in Europe & North America are still hypnotized by imaginary Nazi Aryan threat & refuse to see growing hatred among blacks, browns & Muslims even when it happens before their eyes.

    They remind me of a story about an oncologist who got terminal cancer (a true story, not an anecdote). He knew his diagnosis & prognosis, but some of his colleagues tried to dissuade him, claiming that he had only benign tumor. So they tried a trick: they switched his tissue with some benign tumor specimen & invited him to see it under microscope to see for himself he’s not terminally ill.

    Yet, they bungled the whole operation & put his real tissue under the microscope.

    After looking at it, he, the specialist & soon to be a corpse, turned in his chair, beaming: You were right. It’s benign.

    Such is the power of self-deception.

  303. Not a movie, but underground comic writer Harvey Pekar’s autobiographical graphic novel The Quitter offers an interesting (though unintentional) insight into white flight from 1940s Cleveland OH.

    Pekar is a Jew, and his family ran a corner store in a once white neighborhood that by the time he went to school was becoming majority black. As a consequence he was routinely beaten up by gangs of black kids on his way home from school. This is portrayed in a realistic fashion.

    Then somehow his family escape Black Hell, and he ends up in a white neighborhood again. He gets into a fight with a white kid and wins. He’s astonished, but realizes his newfound fighting prowess is the result of getting beaten up by black gangs. Now that he can fight one on one, he discovers he’s a decent street scrapper. He then goes onto become what the blacks taught him to be: a violent thug.

    I don’t recommend The Quitter – Pekar is whiny, even for a Jew – but it does provide a glimpse into the early days of white flight.

  304. Ian Smith says:
    @Unladen Swallow

    The Bank Job was partially inspired by this piece of work:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_X

  305. hhsiii says:

    Paul Auster’s novel 4321 has a Newark white flight section.

    I think a lot of it is much less nefarious than imagined. Newark’s whites were in ethnic neighborhoods like Weequahic. Jewish kids like Jerry Lewis, Roth and Roy Schneider moved out when they grew up. A lot of white flight was kids leaving the lower middle class small city edges for the bright lights. They probably were fleeing their parents, not negroes. Although Bernie Sanders and his brother leaving Brooklyn? That’s more white flight.

    Same thing happens to cities like Riga. Tons of kids left after Soviet collapse. There it isn’t white flight. It’s just flight.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    , @william munny
  306. @Hail

    You must be talking about the ((Laotians))!

  307. Anonymous[934] • Disclaimer says:

    I find submarine movies very close to realistic. A drama, sure, but gives you both the feel and a lot of the details correctly. And I say this as someone who has come down from the midwatch with hair matted from both hydraulic oil and saltwater because the damn 637’s #2 scope has leaking packing (and controls). At least with the #1, you don’t have hydraulic oil in your hair. But pushing the damn thing is a pain in the ass. Some prison movies are close to accurate. Escape from Alcatraz. Also, Apollo 13. Of course, they’re all the same movie. 😉

  308. Anonymous[934] • Disclaimer says:

    Maybe books are closer to true. Things like Tom Wolfe. Or Bernhard Mahlmud. (sp?) After all, a book is a relatively simple creation. Not a team effort with sponsors and the like. It’s sort of the guerilla warfare for narrative.

  309. Libs whine about how America doesn’t have charming 150-year-old bakeries and shops like Europe, but few of them understand that you can’t maintain a walk-in business for 150 years in neighborhoods that have total population turnover every 50 years.

  310. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Autochthon

    Active attempts to make NYC its own state have occurred at various times. Like the Jefferson State movement or other such efforts, it’s always been successfully quashed.

    One state that can not be stopped from splitting (not seceding, but splitting) is Texas. It joined the Union by treaty that specifically states it can split into five different states. The problem is that it has little incentive to do so.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    , @Jack D
  311. Alden says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Here’s a great book about a Chinese boy who attended a black K-5 grade school in the early 1950s decades before school bussing. The book is China Boy by Gus Lee.

    The family lived in the inner Richmond neighbor hood of San Francisco. Almost all White and upper muddle class. When the family bought the house, his sisters were old enough for Roosevelt jr High in Arguello blvd right on the border between inner Richmond and pricey prestige Presidio Heights. The family wasn’t poor. Father was president and major shareholder of a bank.

    But their house was located in the wrong side of the school boundary for the nearby safe, civilized normal White school. Instead poor Gus had to go to grade school in the notorious Fillmore black ghetto and be abused by black animals.

    The book’s first paragraph “ lunch time at X grade school in SanFrancisco, tightly clustered around the teacher are several frightened Chinese kids. Around this place of safety circle the predators, occasionally throwing a punch when the teacher’s back is turned”

    Gus started school in 1952, decades before Jew attorneys working for ACLU NAACP, funded by AJC ADL; succeeded in obtaining judicial orders forbidding any kind of discipline for black animal thuggery in public schools. 1952!

    Gus’ father didn’t transfer him to private school. After a couple years of beatings and abuse father sent Gus to the YMCA to learn boxing and judo and Gus got his revenge. Gus is a person of color, an abused minority so he can’t be accused of being a White racist KKK nazi.
    The book belongs in the library of every White Nationalist. Make your children read it as soon as they can read maybe 4 th grade. Might counter act the propaganda.

    Horrible. If the house had been a block away Gus would have had the same happy experience his sisters had at Roosevelt.

  312. @Arclight

    … the only acceptable narrative is that blacks are the hapless and helpless victims of events shaped by white agency.

    Critical point, Arclight.

    The glaring problem we’re never supposed to notice in all these narratives is that they aren’t about oppression they are about desertion.

    Whites leave, so that means you have to suck?

    The whole WASPy country clubs–which has Steve points out were really the German Jewish clubs–not wanting obnoxious nouveau rich Russian/Polish Jews is supposedly the worst most oppressive
    thing ever, until the Holocaust. Yet American Jews are doing pretty darn well, no?

    The famine Irish showing up in America were a disaster. (Not *my* ancestors, of course–they had plenty of lace for their curtains–but their cousins.) No American would want anything to do with them. But somehow–even with their society collapsed by the famine–some of them managed to work toward re-civilizing and though it took a few generations, i think with me, the Irish are prosperous and even civilized. (Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity … no so sure.)

    The Japanese and Chinese coming to America were no great shakes. Basically landless people who had no better options at home. There was no love for these folks–serious labor competition from a foreign race/culture. But they seem to have done just fine. FOB Chinese in New York are unloved … but their kids are crowding everyone else out of Stuyvesant.

    In the nonsense world of minoritarianism–bad majority, bad!–the majority is entitled to nothing and exists to serve the minority. But back on planet earth, people with competence do not actually need other peoples around them to thrive. People of competence thrive on their own.

    In fairness–yes, you need numbers. I can’t survive in the United States of AnotherDad. But if 5 or 10 million other white guys are on board as well, we’d do fine as a brand new nation. Just trying to make it as a community inside another nation–especially a rich one like the US–you only need a few hundred, certainly a few thousand would cover it.

    If some group of people aren’t making it just because whitey doesn’t want to live with them … maybe the problem isn’t whitey, but the problem is them?

  313. hhsiii says:
    @hhsiii

    Whoops, Scheider was born in Orange and grew up in Maplewood. Aka Maplehood.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  314. Alden says:
    @Neoconned

    Rachman was a Jew. They are eternal victims. Anything evil they do is just because they are victims. And Rachman benefitted society by providing better housing for Caribbean animals.
    And getting rid of White racists who probably were secret nazis during the war.

  315. @William Badwhite

    Thanks William Badwhite. You cued up the questions for Jack, better than i could have.

    I picked my somewhat cheesy AnotherDad moniker because being a dad is the most important thing i’ve done and politically it motivates my thought–the desire to turn over the great, prosperous, civilized Western nation i inherited to my children and their children.

    If i’d known how my irritation at the people working–with open anti-white animus–against my basic, rather human desire, would blossom, i’d have picked something more apropos. AnotherBadwhite?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  316. Alden says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    I read the book Revolutionary Road. Not a word about blacks or crime. The couple moved to the suburbs because everybody else was doing so as I remember it. Then they blamed the fact that they got bored with work, raising a child and housework on the suburban town

  317. Alden says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Excellent excellent points you made. Great comment. Too much history and narrative written by one White hating group of Ellis Islanders

  318. Anon[133] • Disclaimer says:

    Let me beat my dead horse a little more:

    Take away the legality of private schools (and gated communities, private police forces, and doormen) and the same people complaining about white flight now will be wholeheartedly joining it.

    You, lower middle class white family, are supposed to bear the brunt of diversity by staying right where you are and enduring all the diversity they throw at you. That way minorities cant complain about lack of whites in their schools, and wealthy whites can go right along in their lilly-white schools and carved out niches in our cities.

    The fashionable neighborhood where Tim Wise lives about 4 miles from downtown Nashville is 96% white. They wont let you build anything affordable there. Ya’ gotta go about a mile and a half away. Virtually all the kids there are privately educated. Enough $ is apparently donated to ensure a heavy police presence despite the low crime. Da’ thugs on the outside get the message.

  319. Alden says:
    @Steve Richter

    After her first husband died, Martha became the wealthiest woman and 6th richest person in the -3 colonies. She certainly had the money to hire overseers and the Washington’s had overseers book keepers etc.

    Washington himself wasn’t just a wealthy farmer. He owned the largest distillery in the thirsty colonies when water wasn’t fit to drink. He had iron ore mines smelted and sold the iron. He owned a lot of rental property

    He also got a huge salary from the continental congress. First year he asked for expenses only He submitted $400,000 expenses and congress paid. After that he was paid $40,00 a year. I wonder what $400,000 in 1775-6 money is today? Or $40,00 1777 money is today.

    They could afford plenty of help.

  320. Polynikes says:

    The dirty secret about the wire is that the ex cop wrote most of the good stuff and Simon got the credit. The fifth season when Simon took the reigns and wrote about what he knew about–the news room–was by far the worst.

  321. Alden says:
    @Anon

    I met a totally racially White Puerto Rican who grew up in Chicago north of downtown and near the lake in the Whitest part of the city. His parents never even considered buying. They always rented. When the first black moved in or the first single family home was turned down and a small apartment house was built on the lot, the family just moved further north and nearer the lake.

  322. Alden says:
    @prime noticer

    I have a friend. She was an actress. On the few occasions we see a slim attractive young blonde woman she’ll say “ There’s a California girl”. I always point to a 5 ft 225 of Hispanic Indian troll and say “ that’s a real California girl”

    As a group, I’d say the Hispanic Indians are the ugliest race in the planet. Bodies are worse than the faces. They’re built like dwarfs, short stumpy legs and huge broad torsos with enormous protruding stomachs. Ugly faces but bodies are much uglier.

    • Agree: Autochthon
  323. Alden says:
    @utu

    9 percent black is dangerous.

  324. Kronos says:
    @bingobob

    I’m sure many on this board wish you and your father the best of luck.

  325. @Reg Cæsar

    The interstate highway system was great for the US. It worked. It unified an entire swath of hodge podge, haphazard roads and helped connect them together, thus making auto travel more efficient.

    THIS example was referenced by candidate Trump at least twice during the GOP debates in ‘15-‘16. Trump was making the point of the kind of infrastructure internal improvements that he wanted to implement if elected as President.

  326. Alden says:
    @AnotherDad

    All White goyim money is stolen from virtuous persons of color. All Jewish money is honestly earned by intelligence and hard work.

  327. @John Pepple

    When I spent time in MN in the 80s, there were very few blacks. There must have been a lot fewer in the 50s.

    Even today the state is 83% white and 6% black. My understanding is the North Minneapolis has discovered the joys of neighborhood transitioning, but there really couldn’t have been the sort of white flight that took place in Chicago, Detroit, Newark, NYC, and Philly.

  328. @Art Deco

    However, the moment someone runs for office, obtains a government job, or obtains a law license, it should be legally required that he sign a formal statement renouncing his foreign citizenship, cc to the nearest consulate.

    Why formal? Isn’t the act itself still illegal? Afroyim was about voting elsewhere. Did it say you could run elsewhere as well?

    The Catholic Church does not excommunicate people. It merely recognizes that the individual has excommunicated himself by his actions. This should be the case with citizenship as well.

    • Replies: @Ed
    , @Art Deco
    , @Art Deco
  329. @William Badwhite

    Staying on topic, should us goyim just disregard the simmering ethnic hatred coming from the Simons’, the Boot’s, the Bret Stephen’s, the Erdeley’s, the execrable Sontag’s?

    Yes. We should disregard everything about them.

    In what way have these nobodies earned our attention?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  330. Dignan says:

    A main plot point in Dragged Across Concrete starts because Mel Gibson wants to move his family out of his increasingly deteriorating neighborhood. And they’re pretty straightforward about why it has deteriorated.

  331. @Achmed E. Newman

    You put a sign out in the yard. It’s not hard.

    If you live on the main thoroughfare, sure. If you live on a pretentiously-named “cul de sac” designed to keep strangers out, who is going to see it?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  332. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    To me it is unimaginable that someone who participates in the making of a fictional movie could be believe that the movie was true, as Ronald Reagan appears to have done when relating a “true” story of military heroism that appeared to have been taken from fictional events depicted in a movie called A Wing And A Prayer.

    The Gipper was always a little fuzzy on the line between real life and reel life, one reason he was a better actor than generally acknowledged. By no later than the second year of his second term, though, he was way over the edge.

  333. J.Ross says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    They represent at least a part of government and intelligentsia: their bellyaching can become policy. We should pay attention to them like we would pay attention to a copperhead entering a children’s playground.

  334. @AnotherDad

    AnotherBadwhite?

    The last thing we need is another comment critic. AnotherDad is fine, and unlikely to be confused with any other handles here.

  335. @Oswald Spengler

    I don’t think anyone really knows what a mook is:

  336. Has There Ever Been a Realistic Movie About White Flight?

    Has there ever been a realistic movie about anything?

  337. @Dr Van Nostrand

    Eh Steve? Why is my comment still in moderation. What is so incendiary about it?

  338. HA says:
    @eggplant

    Probably based on this charmer, Peter Rachman”

    No, the article on which the movie was based was autobiographical, and the man in question was an associate of Rachman:

    While [Lynn Barber] was studying for her A levels she had a two-year relationship with a significantly older man, whom she knew as Simon Goldman, but who also called himself Simon Prewalski. He was an associate of Peter Rachman, and he deceived both Barber and her parents.

  339. istevefan says:
    @AnotherDad

    Yes, it definitely appears Whites are some sort of livestock to be used by others. Notice how they call everything White supremacy when in reality most of these people making the news are more than likely White separatists. There is a difference. Consider the Amish who choose to live separately from the rest of us. They have their own communities, churches and schools. But they still interact with the wider world by selling us their agricultural produce and furniture. I doubt the Amish are supremacists, but they definitely seem to want to live among themselves.

    Ditto for most of the people expressing what the media deems as White supremacy. But since we are to be used as some sort of livestock for the benefit of others, separatism is just as bad as supremacy to the media. And since the supremacist name has a negative connotation, they conflate it with separatism.

    • Replies: @Ibound1
  340. Kronos says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “I can’t decipher Simon’s world-view in that show. In his pronouncements, he is evidently a zombie liberal.”

    Simon is a lapsed liberal, not a zombie liberal. (Yes, there’s a difference.)

    The show is about post-apocalypse Baltimore after the failed rapture of the “New Society.” Before the 1960s, many liberals believed that a racially harmonious racially-equal society was the future. All of Baltimore’s Institutions (Police, Teachers, Mayorship) we’re restructured on the local, state, and national level to this assumption of faith.

    The thing is, they were wrong. Blacks weren’t oppressed equals but low-IQ borderline subhumans. The hopes and dreams of the past opened a gate to institutional hell. It killed the City and it’s future. Baltimore’s institutions are still in shock and denial. (Especially the Baltimore Newspaper.) Everything is crumbling down but a few people still have faith in the political rapture of equality. That perhaps with more effort, Baltimore can get past year zero (1960s), and away from the nightmares of the past (and present.) But it’s a fools dream in a bleak landscape.

    Simon’s lapsed faith in orthodox liberalism (akin to Jehovah’s Witness) is well evident throughout the series. But he still professes the rites and customs of that political faith. He’s a priest who’s lost all faith in his god, but preaches mainly out of inertia. (Also, the money is quite good.)

    Realistically, he wants Baltimore nuked from orbit, just to make sure it’s annihilated.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  341. HA says:
    @Father O'Hara

    “Simon is a dirtbag. He’s a bloodsucking parasite. The Wire is garbage. It’s ghetto porn for us white guys,…”

    Simon was only one half of the team that created The Wire. Ed Burns was the other half. From his wiki page:

    Burns served in the infantry during the Vietnam War. He then served in the Baltimore Police Department for twenty years. When he worked in Homicide his partner was Detective Harry Edgerton, who would later become the basis for Frank Pembleton on the television series Homicide: Life on the Street.

    Following his retirement from the police force he became a teacher in the Baltimore public school system… He taught seventh and eight grade. Psychologically, he compared the experience of teaching to the Vietnam War…

    Burns was a producer, writer, and co-creator (also with Simon) of the HBO series The Wire. They originally set out to create a police drama loosely based on Burns’ experiences working on protracted investigations of violent drug dealers…

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
  342. Andrew says:
    @syonredux

    Never even heard of that, wow. Holy Schnikes, are you right; NEVER in a million years would that get made today. The leftist SJWs, the white ones mainly, who are the largest devotees of that religion that we’re all the same and everyone learns equally at the same pace, would have their whole religion shattered into a million pieces seeing that thing now, and would conclude racism was the only reason it aired. No one clings to their religion like white leftists cling to their religion.

  343. gruff says:

    Here’s a documentary about white flight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Lake_(film) – looks interesting

  344. Jack D says:
    @Ed

    This is a little garbled. Under Washington’s will, the slaves were to be freed on MARTHA’s death and they knew it. Martha was therefore fearful that the slaves might want to speed up their liberation a little bit by offing her. Who could blame them? So she let them go early to take away that incentive.

    • Replies: @Ed
  345. @Jack D

    It even belongs to Americans who work day and night for the destruction of the goyim, not that that is what Simon really intends.

    How can a culture belong to those who work day and night to destroy integral components of the culture? How does this work, Jack?

  346. @Corvinus

    Give me a break. No one doubts why people leave. The question is whether they should be morally shamed for it. Simon: yes. Sailer: no. Corvinus: let’s find the cowardly center and call ourselves noble.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  347. @Chris Renner

    The state (Gov. Cuomo) has surprising control over the NYC subways — while the city is responsible for the stations, the state has greater control over the trains, tracks and signals. Cuomo controls more seats on the transit board than deBlasio.

  348. Ibound1 says:
    @istevefan

    Interesting observation about the Amish.
    The Hasidic Jews also live among themselves and no one cares. They have some town in New York that is probably a theocracy.

    The common element of being allowed to separate seems to be black pants, white shirts, beards, hats and a weird religion.

    That shouldn’t be too hard to replicate.

  349. @Ed

    Slavery wasn’t a good system.

    A (perhaps understandable) shortsighted strategy that imported the poison pill that will eventually eat the body from the inside out – like a bankruptcy, slowly and then all-of-a-sudden.

  350. @bingobob

    Lets just say the brainwashing didnt take –

    Same here. (Lefties) truly believe that if they just brainwash us enough, we’ll go like good lambs to the slaughter. But the fact is that they’ve been trying to brainwash us for decades and a good chunk of us still resist. Because we’re tuned in to reality instead of their T.V. shows.

  351. @syonredux

    One thing that’s disorienting about these clips is the black boys’ normal-looking clothing and hair and lack of jewelry or neck tatoos. I look at them and think, those guys are the class black nerds, they must be harmless.

    • Replies: @notanon
  352. @William Badwhite

    Many were killed and incarcerated within the first year. The rest moved on up from violent crime into the recreational pharmaceutical business, usually specializing in Bolivian Marching Powder. This was the period of the Mutiny Club, the Mike Gold murder, and Miami’s new skyline. Also the shootouts in Dadeland and Omni.
    Not all Marielitos were criminals, of course. But enough were that Miami was changed permanently into a Narco-Latino city.
    As the joke goes:
    “Do you know th best thing about Miami? It’s so near the United States!”

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  353. @Travis

    I now call white flight ethnic cleansing.

  354. istevefan says:
    @Steve Richter

    And he was away fighting the revolution. There had to have been minimal coercion of the slaves in that type of setting.

    A slave needed not only to escape, but to also find a safe haven, There are instances where escaped slaves joined up with Indian tribes. Later during the underground railroad days, many escaped slaves were smuggled to Canada. But those options were not easy. If you escaped and could not find refuge, you were going to be caught and punished severely.

    Contrast this to illegal aliens in modern America. Where the escaped black slave in colonial times would have stood out like the proverbial sore thumb, an illegal, especially an hispanic illegal, has a large network of hispanic communities in the US in which to blend in and disappear. Escaped slaves did not have this option. So running away would only work out if you had a final safe destination.

  355. anonymous[149] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m reading all of these comments from my 47 % Asian exurban Whitetopia.

  356. @Anon

    There is something wrong with the world.

    Those that are responsible for it must be held fully accountable if there is to be any restoration of justice.

    Several decades in now, you sort of have to figure that the kind of justice you’re contemplating is very much a thing of the past.

    • Replies: @Anon
  357. @Anonymous

    Wow, 1967. I’m too young to know firsthand, but I’ve always been taught that the black riots of the 1960s happened because Whitey killed MLK. A year later.

    Now I find this “TimeLine History” and all it shows is mean white cops victimizing poor, helpless black people who are obviously doing nothing but tryn ta survive!

    https://timeline.com/racially-charged-news-photos-from-the-riots-of-1967-tell-a-problematic-story-fad2823ebd16

    Linked story: “An entire Manhattan village owned by black people was destroyed to build Central Park”

  358. @prime noticer

    LA has a lot of hot women. no, not really. it has millions of short ugly third world trolls.

    More and more, I’m finding that this is the case from coast to coast.

  359. LondonBob says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Use an online real estate agent and you can pay a flat fee which, depending on the value of the property, can be as low as 0.3 percent.

  360. LondonBob says:
    @International Jew

    Why does someone buying need an agent?

    • Replies: @jim jones
    , @Jim Don Bob
  361. @El Dato

    Is Dayton already memoryholed?

    No idea what you’re talking about. Dayton?

    I searched all the major media outlets tonight and can assure you that absolutely nothing has happened in Dayton recently.

    If something had, there would be stories about it. But wait, did you mean El Paso? Because another one of Trump’s jackbooted Nazi thugs went on a shooting spree, killing brown women and children, and of course trump went on tv to brag about it, like he always does.

    Are you interested in that story? Because I can tell you all about that one. How much time do you have?

  362. LondonBob says:
    @Kronos

    Pacific Heights has the couple being punished for going for the white yuppie applicant rather than the black tenant, improbably the white tenant is the bad one, the Asian couple they rent another apartment to are lovely too. The media systematically demonises whites in a way Goebbels would have thought excessive to do so to Jews and didn’t in National Socialist Germany.

  363. LondonBob says:
    @Unladen Swallow

    They aren’t Greek, at the end they say the cops won’t know who they are, they probably think they are Greek. Middle men minorities who last resided in Greece, assume Jewish. Think of the (((Russian))) mafia in Brighton Beach.

    Agree season one was good, as was two. You criticisms are spot on of the rest.

  364. @ben tillman

    “They didn’t create the slums. The people who replaced them did”

    Absolutely. In fact they fled the slums to come, and their fears/predictions were wholly realistic ones.

    No matter what sophistry Jack D may deploy, Simon’s tweets show him to be a nasty piece of work. Nasty and talented is a combination a nation is better off without (nasty and stupid being a lot easier to control).

  365. @Anon

    The people who imported African slaves are all dead.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @notanon
    , @Reg Cæsar
  366. Daniel H says:

    Contra white flight, not a move, just a television serial, All in the Family presented the white, bigot arch-type Archie Bunker, who didn’t flee as the world moved under his feet, but stood, buffoned, fought and endured and endeared. White liberals ran, but Archie stood his ground.

    The great liberal Norman Lear could not help but make Archie Bunker endearing because he modeled Archie after his own father (so he says).

    But getting to your point, Archie’s concerns were very realistic, then and now, and well presented.

  367. @TWS

    I see. Sorry for the snarky comment, then.

  368. Anonymous[227] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    The launch of Sputnik in 1957 was the big impetus for this. Big cities were big bomb targets. Wise people wanted to get their families out of them.

  369. Ed says:
    @Jack D

    Yes you’re right. He freed them upon her death or the ones that legally belonged to him. Her dower slaves weren’t freed.

  370. @Reg Cæsar

    ForSaleByOwner.com

    Yes, Reg, the names usually involve “woods” (or more pretentiously “wood”), “glades”, “fords”, and “pointes”, but you tend to see a lot more basketball goals, riding mowers, and Costco boxes than tree-shaded bodies of water.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  371. Ed says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    There was a Greek President recently, forget his name, that was a 3rd generation American. I’m not sure if he voluntarily renounced his American citizenship. He definitely wasn’t made to by the American gov’t.

    In Africa and Caribbean it’s not unusual for leaders to secretly maintain a Western country’s citizenship.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
  372. Art Deco says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Again, Ted Cruz. He had a claim on Canadian citizenship because he was born in Calgary, but he also had a claim on American citizenship as his mother was an American citizen, born in Delaware (as were his maternal-side grandparents and one of his mother’s grandparents). His parents had set up a business in Calgary in 1969, but returned to the United States in 1974, when their son was just shy of four. He hasn’t lived in Canada since (and has spent about 2/3 of his life in Houston). There wasn’t any illegal act on his part or the part of his parents, just this latent claim on Canadian citizenship he had never exercised. (His father in 1969 was a Cuban citizen who had permanent residency status in the U.S. He took out Canadian citizenship during their sojourn in Calgary; however, his mother has always had American citizenship and only American citizenship, though she lived abroad for most of the period running from 1958 to 1974).

  373. Art Deco says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Catholic Church does not excommunicate people. It merely recognizes that the individual has excommunicated himself by his actions. This should be the case with citizenship as well.

    I think canon law distinguishes between different types of excommunication, some incorporated in acts by the adherent, and some made explicit by Church authority.

  374. @njguy73

    And Rogers Hornsby was the best second baseman in MLB history.

    Understanding that I am missing your point, but according to Bill James, he is third behind Joe Morgan and Eddie Collins.

    • Replies: @njguy73
  375. jim jones says:
    @LondonBob

    To ensure that the vendor has free and clear legal title to the property,

  376. @Art Deco

    How do you know she always had American citizenship?

    Do you know for a fact that she retained her American citizenship while in Canada?

    Is there any evidence that Cruz’s birth was registered with the American consulate?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  377. @James Braxton

    The upcoming Sopranos prequel The Many Saints of Newark will cover exactly this.

  378. bomag says:
    @Smithsonian

    Botswana is rather famous for being run by White, mainly South African, mining interests.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  379. RVBlake says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Several years ago I watched the Q & A session between the cast and crew of The Wire and audience members. Simon described himself as a socialist.

  380. @ricpic

    Proving Cunningham’s Law, Rajah hit 358 for his career. He was also the third-base coach for the original 62 Mets, which evidently killed him the following January at 66.

  381. @hhsiii

    My neighborhood was filled with families that white-flighted from Newark and Jersey City in the 60s-70s, and then fled Irvington, East Orange, and the other places they originally fled to.

  382. @anon

    For those wondering, that wasn’t actually Jane Curtin on the phone, but rather Billy West.

    He went on to use the same voice when he played Marge Schott, once she was outed as a racist.

  383. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Sociologists specifically blame the Interstate Highway System for exacerbating White Flight.

    Therefore, it’s all Ike’s fault.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    , @Jack D
  384. Anon[861] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    but you have a bug up your ass about “the Jews”

    Go run your interference for obvious and well-known perpetrators somewhere else.

    it belongs to all Americans (even Americans with dual loyalty or even dual citizenship,

    LOL. No it does not, you virtue signalling coward.

    You just erased our national borders by intertwining this nation’s ownership with those who have formal foreign allegiance.

    not that describes most Jews in America.

    What is this, obvious lie day? You don’t know the first thing about Judaism if you honestly believe that Jews do not have dual loyalty (in actuality, single loyalty to Jews). That’s the entire premise of their religion, moron.

  385. Anon[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @notanon

    Simon has a slight point in that prosperous people with valuable houses would white-flight almost instantly before any bad stuff had actually happened but it’s also a deflection from what happened to blue collar whites who didn’t have the cash to move but were eventually stabbed out of their homes.

    That’s because Whites know that bad stuff is not an if but a when. Why should they lose equity and risk injury / death just to wait for Blacks to do what they always do without fail? Moving out early is smart and Simon does not live in the type of neighborhood that gives him a moral platform for criticism of that decision.

    Which begs the question, why do poorer Whites bear a moral responsibility to Blacks to stay in their neighborhood while limousine liberals bear no responsibility to move into a mostly Black neighborhood?

    The only difference between these badwhites and their millionaire liberal critics like Simon is what? The money to move into a wealthier neighborhood before Blacks arrived?

    Simon is the type of moral and intellectual deficient, with a likely deep seeded hatred for gentile Whites, who deserves the worst fate that can find him in this lifetime.

    I’m watching my neighborhood change over as we speak. There is no snap where all of a sudden there is crime. As can be observed on a crime map, the crime increases precisely with every percentage point increase in Black population.

    • Replies: @notanon
  386. Anon[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jesse

    Sailer’s missing the point. Simon doesn’t believe a word of what he says. There have been rumblings from the far left that The Wire is problematic. He’s trying to get ahead of that so they don’t burn his house down while his family’s sleeping in it.

    By scapegoating Whites with the angriest of language, an action for which there will be real fallout given the man’s celebrity, so that he can continue to enjoy his The Wire money and retched life.

  387. @Alden

    Not that I watched it, but The Wire was on HBO, ergo no commercials.

  388. @Hamlet's Ghost

    If the teacher looks familiar, he played the father of the woman Eddie Murphy was supposed to marry at the beginning of Coming to America.

  389. JackOH says:
    @Alden

    Alden, I can confirm those rape sentences here in NE Ohio. Violent rape of White girl about 1971 by three Black strangers who knocked out her boy friend before assaulting her. Two younger Blacks got juvenile sentences; the adult was given a choice of jail or military enlistment.

    Likewise, your observations of Section 8 are spot on.

    I didn’t realize the bloody awfulness of my area circa 1966-1972 until I went to a selective college, where civilizational norms and basic human decency were still regarded as good things, if not always observed to a tee.

  390. Anon[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Several decades in now, you sort of have to figure that the kind of justice you’re contemplating is very much a thing of the past.

    I’m not contemplating anything, personally, if what you meant was action. I realize at this point that justice, if it ever arrives, will have to be a sort of cosmic rebalancing to preserve the Good. That is, it will come from our concept of a beneficial God or not at all.

    If not at all, then there was never going to be an upswing and this was all inevitable.

    Perhaps by the natural evolution of small, immoral minority mafias that will likely always horde political power and exert it against the civilizing majority.

  391. Corn says:
    @Anonymous

    I remember Kunstler. No tears shed here when he died.

  392. @Alden

    Royko wrote Boss, a book about Richard J. Daley that pretty much was a scathing expose of the corruption of Daley and the Cook County Democratic Machine. During one St. Patrick’s Day parade in Chicago, Daley had a Cadillac convertible filled with a bunch of Democratic bigwigs in it in the parade. It had cryptic words written on it that nobody could figure out. A reporter finally figured out that it said “Royko Stinks!” written backwards. I think that much of what he wrote was about the corruption in the city. https://www.amazon.com/Boss-Richard-J-Daley-Chicago/dp/0452261678

  393. anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    FYI: Predecessor means the person before him not after him.

  394. Art Deco says:
    @Orangeman

    Every once in a while you run across a Jamaican restaurant, but not one trading in black American cuisine. I think there were Soul food restaurants here and there ca. 1974. I heard of them but was never in one. For whatever reason, I don’t think vernacular black cuisine can be readily packaged and marketed as an exotic experience or it would have been done already. As far as I can see blacks themselves when they eat out prefer steakhouses and barbecue joints and the like.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @J.Ross
  395. Corvinus says:
    @R.G. Camara

    “he’s going for the “both sides are to blame, both sides are bad”…

    Which is observable true, and assuredly has nothing to do with communism.

  396. Corvinus says:
    @Joe, Averaged

    “The question is whether they should be morally shamed for it. Simon: yes. Sailer: no.”

    Mr. Sailer has his own brand of moral shaming, that being that ALL whites who do not subscribe to the Alt Right agenda are anti-white.

    “Corvinus: let’s find the cowardly center and call ourselves noble.”

    Normies are the center, and we certainly are not cowards nor noble. Just your average white person who is getting squeezed by the Coalition of the Fringes Left and Right.

  397. Art Deco says:
    @James Braxton

    Don’t know if his birth was reported to the consulate or not. I’ve read the provisions of the U.S. Code in regard to births to American citizens living abroad and I don’t recall your status as an American citizen is contingent on reporting your birth to any consulate.

    There’s no doubt where she was born and where her parents were born. Her American citizenship is solid and attested to by parallel sets of documentation. There were a mess of Cruz birthers knocking about on the internet in 2016, but not one produced a piece of evidence that she ever renounced her American citizenship or would have any reason to; they were in Canada on work visas and her husband took out Canadian citizenship. There was a kerfuffle three years back about her having been interviewed by an electoral registrar at one point. You don’t register to vote in Canada; registrars show up at your door to build such registries, and they placed her on the registry. The interview took place in 1974, shortly before she returned to Houston. Ted Cruz was born in December 1970.

    • Replies: @James Braxton
  398. @Haole

    A lot of it seems to be fleeing high housing cost areas.
    Those also happen to be the areas to which a lot of immigrants are coming.

    For quite a while, more Americans have left Cali or NYC than have come in. But the population is booming.

    Those who were able to sell homes in Cali or NY do well in their new locations. They can put up a massive down payment on a house. That, unfortunately, makes housing more expensive for everyone else.
    Those of us who were renters (I moved to Wisconsin from NYC for job opportunities) are in the same boat as the locals: competing for housing with folks who made a killing selling their home in NY or Cali.

    • Replies: @Haole
  399. how ’bout mentioning how turning the English language into a bathtub of profanities is an underrated achievement of the jewish-american media, you fuckmooks

  400. @Art Deco

    Again, Ted Cruz. He had a claim on Canadian citizenship because he was born in Calgary, but he also had a claim on American citizenship as his mother was an American citizen, born in Delaware.

    Actually in reality it is the parents who exercise the claim, and once the documentary formalities have been completed and a Consular Report of Birth Abroad has been issued–which stands in place of a US birth certificate–then a social number and passport can be automatically issued the same as if born in the US.

    There is no need to further apply for citizenship or naturalization. If Cruz did not have a birth certifcate or CRBA, then he must have obtained citizenship via naturalization at a later date (unlikely).

    At this point there is no further appeal. It does not matter if you are denounced by Alien Finder General Trump later in life. There is no mechanism for reversing citizenship unless, possibly, if it was fraudulently obtained, even if the child also has one or more other citizenships, for example Canadian or Cuban.

    My own daughter actually has perfectly legitimate birth certificates issued by two other countries, and could also theoretically obtain another from her mother’s home country, but her US citizenship is inviolable.

    Incidentally, when you obtain US citizenship by naturalization, you do not normally lose the citizenship of your birth, unless you take very special steps to renounce it, because you still have a birth certificate from the original country, or can obtain a copy. I am not aware of any country that cancels the citizenship of its citizens if they become a US citizen, although as a practical measure they will lose entitlements to health care, government retirement pensions, etc. if they do not contribute payroll taxes for many years.

  401. Anon[106] • Disclaimer says:
    @Redneck farmer

    The people who imported African slaves are all dead.

    The people who use their descendants as a hostile political bludgeon are not.

  402. notanon says:
    @peterike

    glassy-eyed, half-moron demeanor

    right, dead-eyed, zero empathy – actors generally don’t have that cos if they did they wouldn’t be actors.

    perhaps if someone did a show like The Wire with real gangstas people would find it easier to accept it’s genetic.

  403. White flight is also a phenomenon online. I got thinking about the fate of MySpace once it reached a tipping point of black participation. Looking into this, I came across this
    https://www.technologyreview.com/s/419843/did-whites-flee-the-digital-ghetto-of-myspace/
    article which is old, but surprisingly references a book on the subject, “Digital Race Anthology.”

  404. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    I don’t know where you are located, but Soul Food restaurants are a thing. And a lot of barbecue restaurants are also black owned. In Harlem, “Soul Food” HAS been packaged and they run tour buses full of Japanese tourists to soul food restaurants as part of the tour. Speaking of packaged, there is a line of Soul Food canned goods (collard greens, etc.) under the “Sylvia’s” label – Sylvia’s is the name of a famous soul food restaurant in Harlem. The “Popeye’s” chicken chain markets itself as having black recipes – their Col. Sanders (Mrs. Popeye?) is a black woman (except. the Col. was a real person – Mrs. Popeye is a fictional character like Aunt Jemima). In short, I don’t know what planet you are living on.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Jonathan Mason
  405. notanon says:
    @Art Deco

    blacks make up about 14% of the population … [snip] … There’s only so much space they can occupy that someone else might have occupied

    the percentage of feral psychos in the black population is higher than white but still very low as a percentage but feral psychos do a spectacular amount of harm per head so the effect they have is completely out of proportion to their numbers.

  406. Jack D says:
    @Kronos

    As has been noted many times, Liberalism is best understood as a new religion. For many, especially Jews, it took the place of the old religion. Its god is Equality. Like almost all religions it has its own articles of faith, the key one of Liberalism being “All Men are Equal”. Articles of faith are not subject to factual refutation – that’s why they are articles of faith. No amount of evidence can take away the faith of the True Believer. Once you accept the Articles of Faith they can lead you into blind alleys which are laughable in the eyes of non-believers (“Race Does Not Exist”) but the True Believer must believe in them IN SPITE of their facial ridiculousness. In fact he reaffirms his faith by loudly proclaiming ridiculous things – anyone can believe in that which can bee seen by the eyes but only the faithful can believe in the unseen which negates that which you are seeing. The God of the faith proclaims, “Who are you going to believe, Me or your lying eyes?” and the true believer chooses Him.

    • Agree: Ibound1
  407. Jack D says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Please stop confusing us with facts and reason. The logic of Birtherism flows in the opposite direction – the candidate in question is morally unfit for the Presidency in the eyes of the Birther. We must therefore find a legal reason for his unfitness, so that the position of the law conforms with his moral condition. If we have to gloss over or alter a few details of the factual narrative in order to make the charges stick, well it’s for a good cause.

    As Beria said, “show me the [bad] man and I’ll show you the crime.” The logic of the current House investigations of Trump operates in exactly the same way – we KNOW already that Trump is a bad man, all we need to do is find evidence to prove it.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @J.Ross
  408. anon[319] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charlesz Martel

    Regarding Miami, about ten years after the 1980 Mareil boatlift, I was living in Miami, and remember the blacks targeting, robbing, and killing tourists driving east out of MIA in their sitting duck rental cars. After several murders, the state stopped making license plates marked as “rental.”

    I’ve been gone from that area for a while, but recently spent a few days on South Miami Beach, and saw an inordinate number of thuggish blacks. In 1990, there were still mostly little old Jewish ladies sitting on the front porches of the (then) low-rent, shabby Art Deco motels on Ocean Drive.

  409. anarchyst says:
    @JackOH

    Here is my “take” from personal experience:

    Blacks WERE a problem in 1970s and beyond Detroit.

    I was able to keep up my property with no difficulty, painting the house (outside) on a regular basis, mowing the lawn and keeping the shrubbery trimmed-normal maintenance for any homeowner.

    Contrast my maintenance efforts and results with my black “neighbors” who did not keep up their property. You see, in the 1970s HUD had “special programs” to move blacks into single-family housing, without requiring these blacks to have any “skin in the game”.

    Of course, being white, I did not qualify for any of these programs.

    The liberal “urban studies” folks at Wayne State University always made excuses for blacks and their inability and lack of “upkeep” (normal everyday maintenance) on their homes. Their main excuse was that “the homes were old”…

    On almost every block, whites (mostly elderly Polish) who could not afford to move STILL kept up their homes–freshly cut grass, well-maintained exteriors, etc. despite their homes being just as “old” as those owned by blacks. No matter where you went in Detroit, one could always tell where whites lived. Neatly manicured lawns and well-kept-up houses were the norm.

    I finally left Detroit after a number of burglaries and little or no police response. The police KNEW who the criminals were but did nothing about it. You see, blacks were “oppressed” and were “untouchable”.

    Another situation was the “code enforcement” harassment that us whites endured. We always used the city-supplied trash containers (one for every two residences).

    Our black “neighbors” were too lazy to put their trash in the containers, strewing their trash throughout the alleys.

    Guess who got repeatedly ticketed for “improperly disposed of trash”? It wasn’t the blacks who improperly disposed of their trash–it was us whites. It was as if they (the black-run city government) wanted us to move…

    No, the old liberal excuses that poverty was instrumental in the destruction of Detroit is totally false.

    All one has to do was ask the party (liquor) store owners why they put up with the likes of blacks. The Detroit “ghetto” was (and is still) quite a “gold mine” for liquor, lottery tickets and junk food.

    I grew up in Detroit and personally witnessed the marginalization of whites along with the destruction by blacks.

    It’s black CULTURE, not “poverty”.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  410. notanon says:
    @International Jew

    that’s kind of the problem with these shows – black actors are much more “normal” than the people they are supposed to represent.

    it’s easier for white actors as there are fewer “feral” white psychos now cos they all got hanged 100s of years ago and the more self-controlled psychos who are left are easier for a normal person to act as they act normal most of the time.

  411. Jimbo says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    It’s true that “whites” (i.e. WASPs, Germans, and other founding stock) didn’t live in cities for the most part, but the new immigrants (Catholics and jews from Europe) did. This was seen as a problem by the WASP elite, since they were staying in their ethnic city neighborhoods where they voted as a bloc and thus acquiring quite a bit of political power. This led to calls for legalization of unions, socialism, etc. I personally think the “wake up call” for them was the nomination of Al Smith (a Catholic!) as the democratic candidate for president in 1928. Something had to be done about these kikes, wops, and polacks…

    So it became a major goal of the elite to get the ethnics out of the cities and into suburbs where they would become homogenous “whites”. They used the carrot and the stick: the carrot was cheap loans for suburban houses (which were not available for urban home types like rowhouses) and the stick was dynamiting their neighborhoods under the name of urban renewal and moving southern blacks fresh off the farm to what was left to chase them out. It worked remarkably well.

    If you want to understand this, read E. Micheal Jones’ “The Slaughter of Cities” It goes into excruciating detail.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  412. What happens when you don’t white-flight. When this lady first moved in (late 1940s), London was probably 98-99% white British.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/tottenham-murder-family-pay-tribute-to-elderly-woman-89-found-dead-in-her-london-home-a4207161.html

    “Police continue to appeal for information after Mrs Woolmer’s body was discovered at around 10.45am on Sunday. Detective Chief Inspector Garry Moncrieff said: “The woman had clearly been assaulted and, as such, a murder investigation has been launched.

    “I want to hear from anyone who saw anything suspicious in and around Waltheof Gardens and the surrounding area on Saturday night or Sunday morning.”

    One neighbour, who did not want to be named, said the victim had lived at the house with her husband Kenneth, who used to be in the navy, before he died.

    “They have lived here for more than 70 years,” he said. “We were just good neighbours. They were pleasant, would give you the time of day. You couldn’t wish for a better neighbour.”

    Another neighbour, John Cerisier, said he had been shocked to hear of Mrs Woolmer’s death.

    The 72-year-old said: “I have lived here 44 years and I have known them all that time. They were a very quiet couple. They kept themselves to themselves. They were a very devoted couple. It’s just shocking what happened.”

    Mr Cerisier said the couple had lived in the house since the late 1940s and Mrs Woolmer had been a housewife and keen gardener.

    A 22-year-old man was arrested in the Tottenham area on suspicion of murder shortly before 6pm on Monday. He remains in custody at a north London police station.”

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  413. notanon says:
    @Redneck farmer

    on possible future justice
    – HUD saying nowhere was allowed to be more than 50% white
    – section 8
    – constant media propaganda
    – people making money from flipping neighborhoods
    – New York cleansing its black population to white suburbs
    this is very much a live issue.

  414. notanon says:
    @Anon

    agreed

    my point was that people like him will try to wheedle out of telling the truth by pointing out that technically speaking some episodes of white flight occurred before anything bad had happened in that neighborhood but it’s bogus cos people were making those decisions on the basis of what had happened in adjacent neighborhoods.

    as they’re currently pushing (via HUD, Section 8, refugee resettlement etc) to get rid of the last white neighborhoods they need to hide what really happened in the past.

  415. notanon says:
    @Jesse

    sure he does – he’s an Obama era SJW – the reason the Wire is “problematic” now is his portrayal of black gangbangers although massively flattering compared to the reality is still not positive enough for the new wave of SJW where *any* direct or implied criticism of a black person is bad (unless they’re conservative).

  416. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    Never seen such a place, just seen references to it in bits of mass entertainment (e.g. the film Harry and Tonto) and I’ve lived in Washington and Baltimore. In my home town the Museum and Science Center used to run a folk festival every year with all kinds of food, pamphlets, and performances available. All kinds of ethnic exotica. A black table was eventually added, but the people running it did look bored and out of place; eventually they began recruiting gospel singing groups, who looked to be much more in their element than the chap who was vending chicken and watermelon.

    In my limited experience, rib joints do have a disproportionately (I would say majority) black clientele.

  417. @J.Ross

    What is the difference between 8chan and 4chan? And where did they get those weird names?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  418. @Anonymous

    If you’ve watched it and don’t understand that, it would be pointless to try to explain it to you. If you haven’t watched it, why would you ask?

  419. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    If Cruz did not have a birth certifcate or CRBA, then he must have obtained citizenship via naturalization at a later date (unlikely).

    His birth certificate was issued in Calgary. Not sure what sort of follow up paperwork there was. For some reason, the registrar listed his mother under her previous married name.

    His mother had had another child in 1966 sired by someone else, while she was living and working in England. The child died at 5 mos in December of that year. About 1o mos. later, the embassy in London did issue a form document titled ‘Report of the Death of an American Citizen’. It noted that she’d had the child placed on her passport in October 1966.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  420. In the new S. Craig Zahler film “Dragged Across Concrete”, Mel Gibson and Vince Vaughn get suspended from the fictional Bulwark P.D. The same day, his daughter is assaulted (orange soda thrown on her) by a black teen with 3 black friends. It is the 5th in 2 months. He decides to rob a criminal so his family and he can move. I’ll say no more because everyone really needs to watch this excellent film (along with Zahler’s “Bone Tomahawk” and “Brawl in Cell Block 99).
    Not exactly a presentation of classic white flight, but on the mark.

  421. @LondonBob

    It’s a requirement in Maryland.

  422. @Jonathan Mason

    India.

    And yes, naturalized citizens here should show revocation of former citizenship after gaining American citizenship.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
  423. Jimbo says:
    @Alden

    The Wire was on HBO. No commercials.

  424. istevefan says:
    @Whiskey

    Do you regret attacking Patrick Buchanan now?

  425. istevefan says:
    @dr kill

    Can you expand on this? What is PBC horse country?

    • Replies: @dr kill
  426. Lurker says:
    @Anonymous

    A fellow white anti-White propagandist in fact.

  427. @Steve Richter

    Nope. Judicial busing orders in the 60s. The suburbs rolled out, and church-based private schools popped up all over. I saw it happen.

  428. Anonymous[360] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    His birth certificate was issued in Calgary. Not sure what sort of follow up paperwork there was. For some reason, the registrar listed his mother under her previous married name.

    Don’t you have to be born in the United States to qualify to be President?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Art Deco
  429. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    Obama did lie about his birth certificate even if it was just Dan Rathering, and the underlying story makes sense. Nothing about the Russia hoax is proven or provable because it doesn’t make any sense.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Jack D
  430. Lurker says:
    @LondonBob

    Pacific Heights – directed by gay (((John Schlesinger))). Still, I’m sure that’s entirely coincidental.

  431. Olorin says:
    @AnotherDad

    Well put, A-Dad, and 1000% accurate in my experience.

    I keep coming back to this…phenomenon…in my own mind. The only comparable thing I can think of, to try to understand it experientially, is the experience of being the brightest kid in my public school classes by far.

    (Till my parents pulled me out of there. The rapid negroization of my neighborhood meant that I got assigned in 5th and 6th grades to the better and whiter elementary school up the hill–only 50% black! But 7th grade would have sent me to the junior high down in the 95% black end of town and 9th to the high school that already in 1972 had armed guards in the halls, prison-style architecture, regular riots and arsons, and ghastly levels of violence against the few white kids.)

    The unifying element is a widespread recognition that whites create, embody, and represent something that everyone else wants–or anyway they want the results of what we create. The Little Red Hen syndrome. Except that even in that little folk tale, the lazy animals don’t then come in and murder the Little Red Hen, and steal, or simply destroy, her bread. Then kill her and burn down her house. Then immortalize her as a demon for having invited them to share in the making of the bread and its eating.

    But even that doesn’t work well for them. Remember what happened when Alan (Mr. Andrea Mitchell) Greenspan decided that we needed “democratization” of the housing market, so set things up to hand out a mortgage to anyone who could fog a mirror? And then we all learned, to our immense surprise, that individuals who can’t even maintain or manage a one-bedroom apartment, or a car, or a marriage, or checkbook, or their table at McDonald’s, can’t be expected to maintain and manage a house and mortgage?

    Which was OK, because then TARP Bush and ARRA Obama rewarded various miscreants with a trillion or so bucks skimmed from our balance sheets/kids’ futures.

    $1.8 billion of which went to Elijah Cummings’ district–and if I recall correctly, some $425 million of that went to the ZIP code (21202) that included the city council district (7) then represented by State’s Attorney Marilyn Mosby’s husband Nick Mosby. You know, the district where that whole Freddie Gray unpleasantness unfolded.

    Thing is? If they hadn’t gone out of their way to scapegoat us, s–t talk us, and abuse us? We’d likely still be at pre-Trayvon levels of sleepwalking. Nice white people, voting for Obama’s second term.

  432. @Charlesz Martel

    Thanks.

    The Badwhites are friends with a Cuban couple. The husband was born and raised here but his parents fled when Castro came to power. The wife was a Marielita. She came when she was 16. One afternoon her parents got permission for her and her 18 year old sister to leave. The next morning the two of them were on a boat. She said some of the folks on her boat were pretty frightening but they left her and her sister alone. At the time she and her sister assumed they’d never see their parents or cousins or anyone they knew again (about 20 years ago the parents were allowed to leave as well). They got to Miami not speaking any English and not knowing anyone. Things have turned out fine for them both, though one is inexplicably a Democrat.

  433. Lurker says:
    @anonymous

    Is The Amityville Horror (book/film) a white flight dog whistle, maybe Poltergeist as well?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  434. J.Ross says:
    @Art Deco

    Screencapped. Art evidently missed the one where they ask a Hurricane Katerina victim how many churches are closed and she responds that she doesn’t know because she’s brand-loyal to Popeye’s.

  435. Kronos says:
    @LondonBob

    Keep in mind the Black police officer’s application is blown away by the wind. The couple don’t actually see it. (Thus directly absolved from racism.)

  436. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    No, you have to be a “natural born citizen”. It was always understood that, for example, the children of American diplomats living in Moscow were natural born American citizens even if their mother gave birth in a Moscow hospital.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  437. Art Deco says:
    @Anonymous

    No. You have to be a ‘natural born citizen’. It’s been a matter of federal statutory law since 1790 that the children of American citizens are recognized as American citizens from birth, although there are certain qualifications that have varied over time. That, in turn, reflected the mode of 18th century statutory law. The more sophisticated Cruz birthers maintained that the provision in the federal constitution wasn’t informed by 18th c. statutory law but by 15th c. case law.

  438. Art Deco says:
    @J.Ross

    He didn’t lie about his birth certificate. The long-form certificate was sitting in the state health department archives.

  439. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross

    Right, my side’s disqualifying bullshit is real, the other side’s is phony. The correct maxim is “all procedural arguments are insincere.”

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  440. Art Deco says:
    @Lurker

    A con by people in over their heads on a real estate purchase.

    • Replies: @Lurker
  441. J.Ross says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    In the beginning was 2chan, which was an abbreviation for “channel 2” that leant itself to a meme verbal-visual pun (a little girl named 2). This was a Japanese anine discussion forum which allowed every commenter to post one image. It was admired by Christopher “Moot” Poole, who borrowed its source code to make an American “sister,” upping the number to 4 as a reference to binary (thus, the next one skips to 8).
    There are as many chans as there are people who were angry about something on 4chan and decided to make their own.
    8chan was much smaller and slower than 4chan, but it had a lot of improvements: better moderation (right now 4chan has been successfully swamped by bots and establishmentarian spammers), and, instead of uploading one image, you can upload several to one post, and also upload videos, sound files, and documents.
    4chan is still up, and it’s massively spammed by Brianna Wu types violating posted rules; 8chan policed itself and is now down.

  442. I witnessed Jew flight from a very tony entirely Jewish neighborhood in Newark early sixties, and Simon’s don’t fly, they rocket.

  443. @Jack D

    No, you have to be a “natural born citizen”. It was always understood that, for example, the children of American diplomats living in Moscow were natural born American citizens even if their mother gave birth in a Moscow hospital.

    Yawn! There are two kinds of US citizens, naturalized or natural born
    ( born in the US or through one or both parents). If you are neither of these, you are an alien.

    For example, the Mekon is not a US citizen, he is an alien. There are various ways that you can tell he is not a US citizen, but I will not go into details here.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  444. guest says:
    @R.G. Camara

    If you’re John Carpenter and you want to make a movie “about” this or that and leave it open enough to different interpretations, you must accept that the audience might draw different conclusions. Because really They Live is about space aliens taking control of earth by enslaving mankind through material desire, and giving extra benefits to certain humans who play along. It wouldn’t be as good if he came out and said “yuppies/capitalism bad!”

    Carpenter was fond of setting movies in the near-future with some sort of vaguely-fascistic government. I’m sure he had an idea what message he was trying to send in Assault on Precinct 13, where a Rainbow Coalition of street gangs unite to make war on cops. Or Escape from New York, where a war hero robs the Federal Reserve and is sent on a mission to save the president, only to intentionally sabotage an international summit. But I don’t really know. I just remember the pew-pews and kablooeys.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  445. @Art Deco

    It’s been a matter of federal statutory law since 1790 that the children of American citizens are recognized as American citizens from birth

    It would be rather difficult to sign up volunteers for the military if their children born overseas did NOT automatically have US citizenship.

    I think the same applies in most countries that have or have had empires. George Orwell was born in Burma in 1903, but no one ever considered him to be a Burmese author or citizen. My father was born in Egypt, but he is not and never has been Egyptian.

    I was born in the UK, but missed being born in Nigeria, by a couple of weeks. According to my mother the standard of medical care around birthing was quite good in Nigeria at that time, but she would say that since she was a midwife and had herself hand-delivered thousands of Nigerian babies.

    If things had turned out a bit differently I might have been an African-American when I was naturalized, but it was not to be.

  446. guest says:
    @Ancient Briton

    The drama in that film, when it’s not simply Man vs. Nature, is driven by ethnic/national differences between whites. Jimmy Stewart is gruff American practicality. The German engineer is…well, a German engineer. There’s even a Scotsman who hallucinates bagpipes.

    White Diversity is real.

  447. @Art Deco

    I think registration with the American consulate would be compelling evidence that she had retained her American citizenship and not sworn allegiance to her adopted country.

    Is Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor an American citizen eligible to run for President in 2056?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @PV van der Byl
  448. @Anonymous

    You’re targeting the wrong guy. David Simon is an evil racist in his hatred of white gentiles, but he is not a physical coward. While working on one of his HBO series years ago (either The Wire or The Corner), he moved his family, including a young child, into a house at the intersection of “Crack Avenue and Heroin Blvd.”

    David Simon is a streetwise Jew who gets off on the adrenalin rush of imminent danger, though he lies about it (in denying the danger). He had to teach a middle-class, Canadian black actor, Clark Johnson, how to be “authentically” black. He reminds me of a younger me.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Anonymous
  449. @anarchyst

    Their main excuse was that “the homes were old”…

    That’s funny. I’ve owned a house built in 1894 and my current home was built in 1926. Being old is really, really far down the list of things that can be wrong with a house.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  450. @Anonymous

    One state that can not be stopped from splitting (not seceding, but splitting) is Texas. It joined the Union by treaty that specifically states it can split into five different states. The problem is that it has little incentive to do so.

    Say, does the yellowing paper containing that treaty emanate even more mystical, holy, and magic powers than the federal constitution’s crumbly paper? Because the latter did not stop the creation of West Virginia in explicit violation of its own terms when the people with the bigger army decided that was what they wanted.

    Me, I’d say the smart money is on Texas doing whatever the Hell the federal government tells it to do, just as all other states have done since April 9, 1865 – not because of yet another meaningless piece of paper signed then, because of what I call the Bully’s Prerogative.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  451. @Jack D

    I don’t know where you are located, but Soul Food restaurants are a thing. And a lot of barbecue restaurants are also black owned.

    In my area there are a lot of black owned “crab shacks” which are seafood restaurants and take outs that usually have their business signs handpainted on the wall in garish colors and misspelled for authenticity that sell sea food, particularly crabs, shrimps, and molluscs. Black folks LOVE crabs beyond all else.

    The trouble with soul food, though, is that it tends to be based on slave foods, such as rice and peas, chicken, and eggs. Rice and peas (beans) was the cheapest way to feed slaves, because the amino acids in beans combine with those in rice to form proteins, without actually having to feed them meat, fish, or poultry, which is more expensive.

    Soul food also includes a variety of root vegetables, which seem to be a hard sell these days, and dishes like cabbage and various green leafy vegetables boiled with bacon fat added to the water. It smells vile when it is cooking.

    I suspect that blacks don’t care to eat foods identified with slavery in the same way that they are rarely fans of blues music, which they see as depressing. Go figure, because gangster rap seems much more depressing to me, whereas blues is full of wit and humor.

    Hence African Americans would rather eat something like food from McDonalds or drinks Starbucks, which is perceived as more sophisticated.

    Plus they like tons of sugar in their food.

    All of which combines to make soul food hard to market to a diverse crowd. I have had meals in soul food restaurants that are no better than my own home cooking, but much more expensive.

    There are also some Jamaican restaurants in my local area. The trouble is that they all seem to have the exact same menu with chicken curry and roti, ackee and saltfish, rice and peas, Jamaican patties, fish tea, curry goat (pronounced “go-ut” and the food is usually lousy and expensive and the service execrable and slow–very authentic. There is no fresh ackee and it comes out of a can and the patties are frozen and come from Costco or Sams Club.

    • Replies: @black sea
    , @Jack D
  452. black sea says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Soul food is actually pretty indistinguishable from “meat and three” cooking, which is common southern fare, and which isn’t particularly race specific. Corn bread and turnip greens, fried chicken and biscuits, mac and cheese and sweet potatoes are widely available in lots of cafeterias and home cooking restaurants that make no claim to serving “soul food.”

    I have seen food videos which play up the “up from slavery” origins of such dishes, but I suspect this has more to do with contemporary political sensibilities than anything else.

    • Replies: @Hamlet's Ghost
    , @Jack D
  453. @black sea

    Soul Food is just southern cooking with an “authentically black” label slapped on it. The term was invented about the same time as Kwanza and for the same reasons. . Islam and Ancient Egyptian culture were other attempts for blacks to desperately find something that was “theirs” and not appropriated from whitey.

    The fact that all those pathetically sought terms have largely dropped out of favor with blacks shows that even they know it’s all a big con.

  454. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    Easy sophistry. The Russia hoax was never articulated as a proper theory, so there’s nothing that can be proven or falsified. The claim that Obama was being dishonest about his birth certificate was validated by two different forensics labs (the tech at one of which identified as an Obama supporter) and is a pretty simple claim anyway (Obama told the truth about this document, yes or no). No equivalent simple provable statement can be made about the Russia hand-waving.

  455. J.Ross says:
    @Nicholas Stix

    Yeah, all the major actors in the Wire are British or Ivy League trained. The incoherent homeless derelict used to point up FBI stupidity regarding serial killer “profiling” in Season 5 went to Harvard. Stringer Bell and McNutty are of course British subjects. Bubbles actor Andre Royo went to a good school in New York and had previously been rejected by casting directors as “not black enough.”

  456. Jack D says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    “Rice and peas” is Caribbean rather than African American. In slavery times, American blacks ate corn meal (grits, cornbread) rather than more expensive rice and black-eyed peas (an Old World legume brought over from Africa) rather than beans. They did also get some of the off-cuts from pork – the snouts, the ears, the trotters, the intestines, the jowls, etc. which they used to season their greens. On the whole, it was a healthy diet (better than what they eat now) although they were subject to pellagra due to the lack of niacin.

  457. J.Ross says:
    @guest

    The single weakest part of Assault was this inexplicable (and, at the time, universal) faith everybody in entertainmemt had in the organizational skills of teenaged illiterate street toughs.
    Of course, the propaganda payload of the opening scenes is racist police brutality backfiring, which, given the actual history of the LAPD, is hilarious.

  458. Jack D says:
    @black sea

    Some “soul food” items such as macaroni and cheese and fried chicken are almost certainly more recent than slave times. Before the introduction of modern mass poultry raising techniques, chicken was a luxury product. Even if a slave got his hands on a “stray” chicken it’s doubtful that he would have a whole big vat of grease to fry it in. However, deep frying (originally in palm oil) WAS a West African technique that the slave cooks probably introduced to the white people. Pasta and cheese were store bought items that would have been out of the question.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    , @AceDeuce
  459. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Yeah? It’s a shame he chose instead to completely ignore infrastructure and instead dither about fake news, South Koreans, Syrians, and Russians; go through members of his cabinet more quickly than continent people do toilet-paper; prioritise nepotism; advocate for ASAP Rocky and Kim Kardashian’s pals; and work to replace the population (leeegally – natch!); and reduce taxes for rich people.

    It’s only getting better, though, because now he is apparently really excited about ERPOs.

  460. @Jonathan Mason

    Orwell was born in India. His experience in Burma made him loath the Empire though he was not too fond of it’s subjects either. He expressed a desire to stab a Buddhist monk.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  461. @Jonathan Mason

    There are quite a few British people still residing in Calcutta,Goa and Chennai. Either really old colonial types or their offspring. They consider themselves as Indian. One guy Derek O Brien represents Bengal in the Indian parliament.

    There were lots of Greek and French Egyptians who disavowed their country of origin. But Nasser’s anti cosmopolitan streak which he associated with monarchy ensured that Egypt was de Europeanized in culture and demographics. He wanted a secular Arab society which proved to be a sad joke.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  462. Haole says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    I think we need to make a chart with a matrix of what group/groups/ phenomena someone is fleeing and what they say to remain PC.

    Fleeing high rents is fleeing asians/hispanics/Democrats but not blacks because blacks lower real estate costs, rent or purchase.

    Fleeing bad schools can be fleeing Blacks/hispanics/democrats but not asians till the asians run the schools like here in Hawaii, than the schools suck.

    There is also flight from white areas, White males under 5ft 5 inches tall flee the mainland for the better short guy sexual market here in Hawaii. This could be caused by the huge number of white women selecting black men and dropping white men. It is also white flight.

    Dividing a multicultural country by sex and race is very complex. Motion every which way.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    , @Anonymous
  463. @Redneck farmer

    The people who imported African slaves are all dead.

    A fan once told Burleigh Grimes that he was so glad to be able to meet the last spitballer.

    Grimes corrected the man. He was the last legal spitballer. It was still being thrown long after his retirement, and probably still is today.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/modern-slavery-cases-uk-crime-prosecute-government-police-cps-a8483326.html

    http://www.endslaverynow.org/learn/abolition-today/prosecution

    https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-today/frequently-asked-questions/

    https://www.freetheslaves.net/our-model-for-freedom/slavery-today/

    • Disagree: J.Ross
    • Replies: @J.Ross
  464. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    10 Senate seats is not an incentive?

  465. @Achmed E. Newman

    the names usually involve “woods” (or more pretentiously “wood”), “glades”, “fords”, and “pointes”, but you tend to see a lot more basketball goals, riding mowers, and Costco boxes than tree-shaded bodies of water.

    The snide old joke is that the suburbs are where they chop down the trees, then name the streets after them. Snobbish, true, but valid nonetheless.

    My favorite such place is in England, a Punch Copse Road. At least it was a road (not a “court”, “terrace”, or what have you.) There was still a copse there, and it may indeed have been called Punch by tradition.

    https://www.streetlist.co.uk/rh/rh10/rh10-1/punch-copse-road

    https://www.woodlandtrust.org.uk/visiting-woods/wood/24948/punch-copse/

    https://www.getthedata.com/postcode/RH10-1RB

    It’s very close to Gatwick, should you fly in there. But it’s less bucolic than when I visited almost 35 years ago:

    https://www.mylondon.news/news/local-news/crawley-woman-knocked-ground-violent-15550440

  466. Jack D says:
    @William Badwhite

    An old house is like the Ship of Theseus. It’s old in the sense that some of the framing lumber is original But, the roof, the electrical, heating and plumbing systems, the kitchens and the bathrooms, etc., etc. have to be replaced over and over or else they become obsolete or completely cease to function. And that requires $.

  467. @Autochthon

    Because the latter did not stop the creation of West Virginia in explicit violation of its own terms when the people with the bigger army decided that was what they wanted.

    West Virginia has always been too white for some people, hasn’t it? Then as now.

    Had Lincoln been smart rather than merely driven, he’d have repeated, and enhanced, the Virginia experience in North Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia, and Alabama, keeping the white, and thus Unionist, counties and cutting the dark ones loose to stew in their own negritude.

    Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas and Texas would be read the riot act. Whiten up or join them.

  468. @XYZ (no Mr.)

    That is required of anyone wanting to become a Swiss citizen. It is possible for natural born Swiss citizens to acquire other citizenships without losing their Swiss citizenship, however.

  469. Art Deco says:
    @James Braxton

    Depends on the status of his mother’s paperwork at the time he was born.

    • Replies: @James Braxton
  470. @Jack D

    Before the introduction of modern mass poultry raising techniques, chicken was a luxury product.

    Even when I was growing up in England in the 1950s and 1960s, a roast chicken was a relative luxury, and for the most part we had to make do with cheaper meat like lamb or pork.

    However I would have thought that slaves would be able to keep and raise a few chickens of their own, as chickens do not require a lot of maintenance.

    When I lived in the Dominican Republic, you would find chickens everywhere, living in hedgerows and shanty chicken-shacks made from wire and old scrap wood. You could buy single eggs, and did not have a minimum purchase of half a dozen.

    The little convenience store at the back of the apartment block where I lived had a few chickens running around, and if they had no eggs in the store, they would sometimes hunt around and find one or two.

    Chicken was the cheapest meat, although admitedly this owed a lot to chickens being factory farmed and exported to Haiti.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/haiti/article1953076.html

    Similarly up in the mountains and in the campo (countryside), there would always be chickens running around where people were living in shacks made of palings with the bark still on and riding mules and donkeys along river beds in a manner that had probably not changed too much since the times of Columbus.

    When a chicken was to be eaten, it was executed by means of hanging it from a bush by the feet and cutting its throat with the carving knife. It would then be dunked in a large pot of boiling water that released the feathers, and defeathered by being held by two people, one at each end, who would pluck two handed until the bird was bare. It only took a few minutes, then the fowl could be gutted, dismembered and eaten. So very quickly the animal was hung, plucked, drawn, and quartered.

    So I think the slaves in the US must have had a chicken or two.

    If further evidence is required I refer you to that bible of authenticity Alex Haley’s Roots, in which the grandson of Kunta Kinte is named Chicken George–and not because he was a coward but because he was an expert trainer for cockfights, and there is no chicken without an egg.

  471. @James Braxton

    Until he disclaimed his US citizenship (and only then after a nasty IRS dispute) a few years ago, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson held US citizenship by virtue of having been born in Manhattan in 1964 while his father was a PhD student at Columbia University.

  472. Lurker says:
    @Art Deco

    But both films end with a white family abandoning their home in the face of a hostile environment.

  473. anarchyst says:
    @Jack D

    Not true…there are houses with original plumbing fixtures, electrical systems and the like that function quite well.
    Every house requires maintenance of some sort from time to time, but the excuses for disrepair that blacks and “urban studies” types use to justify black behavior and neglect is not valid.
    In fact, the old “knob and tube” wiring in many old houses is actually safer than the now used NM wiring.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  474. Lurker says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    According to my mother the standard of medical care around birthing was quite good in Nigeria at that time, but she would say that since she was a midwife and had herself hand-delivered thousands of Nigerian babies.

    Congrats to Mrs. Mason for doing her small part heading off the threat of the World Negro Shortage.

    I know this must be a thing because it’s routine to see simpering, cucking features in the media about the wonders of African motherhood, children etc.

  475. @TelfoedJohn

    The sort of people that live in slums almost invariably vote for left of center political parties. Slumlords then pay off whoever they have to in City Hall to bend the rules for themselves. Ideological affinity doesn’t have much to do with it except for a shared enthusiasm for “transactional” politics.

  476. @Jack D

    Yep. My 1894 house had knob & tube wiring. Paying to have that all pulled and replaced was fun. I recently had to replace the roof on my current 1926 house. The prior roof was installed in the late ’70s.

    Anyway the point wasn’t that you don’t have to do maintenance and replace/upgrade things periodically, rather that blaming the dilapidated houses of blacks on “the houses were old” is silly.

  477. AceDeuce says:
    @Vinteuil

    LOL. I call that the “Negro Petting Zoo”.

  478. @Ed

    You may be thinking of George Papandreou, son of Andreas Papandreou, also a Greek Prime Minister, and a near-communist, America-hating, Harvard PhD.

    With an American passport, of course.

    • Replies: @Ed
  479. AceDeuce says:
    @Jack D

    Wypipo in France, Germany, and Austria-Hungary were frying chicken in the old country before blacks ever set foot in America

  480. @anarchyst

    I had a house with knob & tube. There was no way to have it insured without replacing the wiring. To the extent insurance companies know what they’re doing, they disagree with you on how safe it is.

  481. @Dr Van Nostrand

    Orwell was born in India.

    Sorry, you are right. He was born in India. However his mother had grown up in Burma and he had relatives there, which was most likely a factor in his applying for a job in the Burma Imperial Police service.

  482. @Haole

    You did answer a question I meant to ask.

    40 years ago my father did a sabbatical teaching at the U of Hawaii. I left my Mainland college and took a few classes at UH. Not impressed. My younger brother was in middle school at the time. Everyone said not to put him in the Honolulu public schools (although the Kailua schools seemed a lot better). So he wound up spending a year at Iolani. It seems interesting that such a small state has three of the largest private schools in the country.

    My father was offered a permanent tenured full professor position at UH. My mother wanted to stay in Hawaii, even though we would live in a much smaller house. But, the cost of sending my brother to Iolani private school plus the extra living costs would wind up costing us more than he would earn. Besides, my mother could find work teaching in the Mainland much more easily. Add to that my older brother and I were both at fancy private colleges.

    So, is the fact they left Hawaii over the cost of schools the same as fleeing the bad public schools in Hawaii? Is is flight from Asians?

    • Agree: Haole
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Haole
  483. J.Ross says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    My fingers must have slipped because I have no intention of disagreeing with this.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  484. @J.Ross

    I did that once, too, and never went near those buttons again.

  485. Anonymous[313] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nicholas Stix

    While working on one of his HBO series years ago (either The Wire or The Corner), he moved his family, including a young child, into a house at the intersection of “Crack Avenue and Heroin Blvd.”

    Working for a major company, I’m sure he had tons of security and made deals with the top dogs of da hood. At any rate, he didn’t really invest anything. He was just using the place for Crime Chic.

    It’s like Byrne does Cabrini. (Blacks voted for Washington anyway.)

  486. @Art Deco

    Ann Coulter had a fascinating column right after she switched her support from Cruz to Trump. She cited case law under which the strictest definition of natural born citizen— in a context other than the presidency– would have disqualified not only Cruz, but Nikki Haley, Bobby Jindal, Barack Obama, and George Romney. John McCain would squeak in under an “ambassador” loophole, as his father was abroad in service to the government.

    Basically, you have to be born in the United States to two U.S. citizens. That’s awfully strict. Note that this is not about citizenship per se, for which all these people qualified, but about its “natural-born” acquisition.

    If Ann is right about the case law, she’s wrong about it disqualifying Cruz automatically. But it does mean that it all hinges upon a future court decision which no one can predict.

  487. Bugg says:
    @Lot

    Looking forward to “The Real Saints of Newark”. Chase rarely pulled punches. Had no problem depicting the awfulness of what places like Newark became. And the scenes with the Polish housekeeper and her husband complaining about how every answer on the citizenship test was “Martin Luther King” could not get on screen today.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  488. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    It unified an entire swath of hodge podge, haphazard roads and helped connect them together, thus making auto travel more efficient.

    Why is efficient auto travel all that great? It just turns flyover country into drive-past country. It left a lot of small towns moribund, and destroyed established neighborhoods in many cities. What was wrong with the old US highway system?

    Also, it’s responsible for the embarrassing situation of our having the world’s highest drinking age. Which is set by individual states with their hands tied. Pathetic.

    Russell Kirk called the automobile a “mechanical Jacobin”, laying waste to tradition and social structure wherever it went. I don’t go that far, but can recognize a federal boondoggle when I see one.

  489. People don’t like to dwell too much on getting their asses kicked. Non-Jewish people at least.

  490. @Achmed E. Newman

    It was the enabler. People were leaving anyway, but why artificially accelerate the process?

    Many of those on the fence could have stayed and fought.

  491. AceDeuce says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    From the great American humorist Kin Hubbard in 1923:

    …”Nine-tenths of our crimes an’ calamities are made possible by th’ automobile. It has unleashed all th’ pent-up criminal tendencies o’ th’ ages. It’s th’ central figure in murders, hold-ups, burglaries, accidents, elopements, failures an’ abscondments. It has well nigh jimmed th’ American home…. No girl is missin’ that wuzn’ last seen steppin’ in a strange automobile…. An’ ther hain’t a day rolls by that somebuddy hain’t sellin’ ther sewin’ machine, or ther home, or somethin’ t’ pay on an automobile…. Maybe th’ jails an’ workhouses are empty, but that’s not because th’ world is gittin’ better. It’s because all th’ criminals escape in automobiles.“

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  492. @Reg Cæsar

    She cited case law under which the strictest definition of natural born citizen— in a context other than the presidency– would have disqualified not only Cruz, but Nikki Haley, Bobby Jindal, Barack Obama, and George Romney. John McCain would squeak in under an “ambassador” loophole, as his father was abroad in service to the government.

    I don’t know what case law has ever determined what the definition of a natural born citizen is, but it has always been perfectly clear that you can get US citizenship in only two ways*, by going through a naturalization process and ceremony, or by birth, by which you are a natural and do not have to go through a process.

    (Note that the derivation of the word ‘natural’ comes from the same latin root as the word ‘nativity and that someone’s natural parent is their biological father or mother, as opposed to an adult who is looking after them or has adopted them, so some issues could potentially arise if a Presidential candidate who had only one parent–the father–who was a US citizen had been a test tube baby where a mistake had been made and semen samples switched with that of a person who was not a citizen, but this is stretching probability and has not yet arisen in a presidential election. )

    The framers of the Constitution did not want the President to be some johnny-come-lately parvenu who might turn out to be a foreign agent. They wanted someone who was a born American.

    So for example, Henry Kissinger could be Secretary of State, but never POTUS.

    It is all explained here in this article, which mentions all the legal precedents, the Naturalization Act of 1790 and the language therein, and the intentions of the framers of the Constitution. It is covered beautifully.

    https://harvardlawreview.org/2015/03/on-the-meaning-of-natural-born-citizen/

    * At one time you could have obtained citizenship via the fourteenth amendment if you otherwise qualified but were not considered a citizen after the Supreme Court ruling in Dred Scott v Sandford (1857) that no one of African descent could ever be a citizen of the US and that such persons had roughly the same civil status as a dog or a pig. However, that is all water under the bridge at this point in history.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  493. anarchyst says:
    @William Badwhite

    It has to do with the capacity of the electrical system. Insurance companies look at the age of the wiring and the type of insulation used as well as the fixtures and switches.

  494. @Justvisiting

    I don’t understand. If you want to watch an accurate depiction of black culture, just turn in the evening news, or watch reality shows like COPS. You’ll see the culture in all its glory.

  495. @Reg Cæsar

    Uh because no one wants to ride the subway, like duh. It’s called capitalism, get with the program.

    Having efficient roads and highways is one of the blessings of modern civilization ( like running water and indoor plumbing). This argument can be used on a lot of things-why didn’t we stick to no central heating no AC, no running water, etc like our ancestors in 1899? It was good enough for them etc etc

    Welcome to modern civilization.

    Apparently most people didn’t want to live in cramped row houses, unattached with no land and hardly any room for living. City air also isn’t as clean to breathe as country/sparsely populated areas.

    Highways didn’t destroy small towns; outsourcing jobs to third world and China did.

  496. @Jonathan Mason

    it has always been perfectly clear that you can get US citizenship in only two ways*, by going through a naturalization process and ceremony, or by birth, by which you are a natural and do not have to go through a process.

    There is a grey area between the two. That is the crux of this argument. Individuals in certain situations become citizens via the “ceremony” of birth. They are automatically given citizenship with their first breath but, unlike us natives born at home, it is through the law rather than nature. Thus, they are, on a technicality, naturalized as well.

    Whether this disqualifies an individual from being sworn in as president will be for some future court to decide.

    Here is Miss Coulter’s column, with citations:

    https://www.clarionledger.com/story/opinion/columnists/2016/01/13/coultercruz-not-natural-born-citizen/78762708/

  497. @ScarletNumber

    Yes, but white fight was already starting due to the successful concept of Levittown, which is also recalled as US’s first modern suburb. The concept was well underway before the highway system began.

  498. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Suburbs = outside the city

    Country = outside the city

    Like yeah. Come on. Basically they were returning to their roots

  499. @Jimbo

    Hold up. You do know that many of the elites also lived in suburbs? What was Hyannis port, chappuchua, Palm beach, the main line, Chevy chase? All they are are basically posh scale suburbs, and as the 20th century wore on, more and more WASP elites resided in them as well as the middle classes. Very few today who are in the top 1% in income spend the majority of their lives actually living full time 365 days per year in the city.

    Steve wrote an article few years back about how the elites suburban communities are getting sparser and sparser. So they don’t wanna live in packed urban centers either.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  500. @FPD72

    Imagine having that hanging over your head for the rest of your life. No evidence ever implicated Amanda Cobb. Interesting that beside her bed rested a shotgun, in case of prowlers, burglars, etc. apparently that part of GA took self defense pretty seriously.

  501. @AceDeuce

    The Clambake Seven were well aware of this. From 1937:

  502. Where does David Simon live? What are the demographics?

  503. That is the crux of this argument. Individuals in certain situations become citizens via the “ceremony” of birth. They are automatically given citizenship with their first breath but, unlike us natives born at home, it is through the law rather than nature. Thus, they are, on a technicality, naturalized as well.

    OK, I have read the totality of Coulter’s article, but this is nonsense. She is making a silly arguement, and she knows it.

    You are not really given citizenship with your first breath in any meaningful sense. We live in a country of laws and regulations.

    When you are born in a foreign country, and your parents apply for a Consular Record of Birth Abroad, your parents are required to provide proof that you are eligible to be a US citizen, and that document may or may not be issued, depending on the proofs that you offer.

    For example, based on congressional regulations, they may ask for proof that the parents were or were not married at the time of the birth, proof that the father is the real father, proof that the child is the same child that was born on a certain date in a local hospital, proof that the mother was pregnant before the appearance of the child, such as prenatal records, ultrasound films, hospital bills and so on.

    If the citizenship is claimed via the father who is a naturalized citizen of the US, they may ask for a list of dates on which he has traveled outside the United States over the last 20 years, to determine whether he spent the minimum amount of time (5 years) in the US to qualify to pass on his citizenship to his child. They may also ask for proof of the end of previous marriages.

    Only then, if the application is approved by consular staff, will the State Department issue the CRBA, which is legally regarded as proof of citizenship. Should the application be denied, for whatever reason, the child cannot be regarded as a US citizen and cannot obtain a US passport.

    Of course Congress has to make laws regarding things like birth certificatesm how birth certificates are recorded, and proving that children actually belong to the parents all of which are needed as proof of citizenship, because we live in a bureaucracy that has to have standardized ways of doing things and making decisions.

    Incidentally, Coulter’s point about the Scots fellow buying land in England is absurd, because it simply hinges on the date of his birth relative to the date when England and Scotland became the United Kingdom and no longer two separate nations. The only thing that is strange is that all Scots did not automatically become British when the kingdoms merged, but I guess that in those days people were not used to such niceties, besides which they were still settling disputes by killing each other with swords.

  504. Jack D says:
    @William Badwhite

    Knob & tubing is generally safe IF you don’t disturb it in any way and use it in the way that it was originally intended. This is a big IF. Until the 1920s electricity was used mostly for lighting with very few appliances. K&T is completely ungrounded so it shouldn’t be used for anything with a 3 prong plug. The wiring is supposed to be strung thru free air (the empty cavities inside your walls) so blowing insulation into your walls, adding any to your attic, etc. is unsafe. So if your house is a 1920s museum with no alterations, no insulation and a few lamps plugged in here and there, it’s safe. If you try to live a 21st century lifestyle in a house with 19th century wiring, not so good.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  505. Jack D says:
    @ScarletNumber

    It’s really Hitler’s fault. Ike saw all those autobahns and he realized how great it would be to be able to move all those troops and materiel when the Russkies invaded.

    Eisenhower had participated in 1919 Motor Transport Corps convoy, which took 56 days to drive from NY to SF due to poor road conditions. Between Illinois and Nevada there were hardly any paved roads.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  506. @Steve Sailer

    Isn’t there now a Hornsby’s Hard Cider out of TX?

  507. @Reg Cæsar

    Interstate highways killed passenger rail and we ended up with Amtrak (and where in the constitution is the running trains part?), just another centrally planned mal-investment.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  508. @syonredux

    I was supposed to read that novel once, but watched the movie instead. The lecturer suspected a lot of us did that, and allowed that it was a pretty good take on the original.

  509. @Jack D

    Between Illinois and Nevada there were hardly any paved roads.

    Kept the divorce rate down.

  510. @Dr Van Nostrand

    “(Nasser) wanted a secular Arab society which proved to be a sad joke”

    Secular Arab societies existed quite recently under the “Arab socialism” brand – Egypt, Libya, Syria, Iraq.

    “The West” destroyed Libya and Iraq, and has nearly destroyed Syria.

  511. @William Badwhite

    Blimey – I’d never heard of K&T before. That sure looks primitive, like a giant breadboard.

    In some remoter parts of the world (Alaska, Australian outback, rural Iceland) they still have a single-wire power system. You have to think carefully about how you wire up a three-cable appliance.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return

  512. @Corvinus

    CORVINUS

    No Gen Y befriend inner-city blacks. Every generation they get more tough from utterly feral living conditions-Mom a crack prostitute, Dad in prison or dead, living in near-third world conditions, selling drugs by age 12.

    Whites meanwhile, get weaker. The first and second-generation Irish and Polish were pretty tough. Then along came the GI Bill and they moved to the suburbs. These days the great-grandson of a tough Polish immigrant is a metro-sexual porn addict still living in his parents McMansion in the suburbs.

    As for white flight, it eventually becomes a matter of pure life and death survival. In cities like Detroit or Flint, whites flee or they end up like the French of Haiti. Or the Boers of South Africa. No pretense of any sort of civilization remains. Whites simply move en mass both Democrat and Conservative, Catholic and Jewish, rich and poor.

    More and more there is nowhere to go in the US. Whites used to flee the rustbelt for California but that became a Latin Banana Republic so they flee to Nevada. Whites are now playing hopscotch and the average white can expect to experience white flight moves twice in his lifetime.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  513. The West did not really destroy Syria but lent a helping hand to both bad actors there , destruction started in 2011 and there was minimal if any Western involvement apart from Obama’s bloviating platitudes. For Libya however there is simply no valid cassus bellum, it was a shameless smash and grab operation funded by British and French businessmen with Sidney Blumenthal as a bagman for the Hillary Clinton.

    I lived in Egypt and Iraq , these were never secular countries but essentially Islamic states were secularism was tolerated in the metropolitan area. Nasser was happy to do business with Sayyid Qutb, a leading member of the Ikhwaan but Qutb wasnt interested so Nasser had him locked up. Nasser so bungled up the economy through his loony socialist schemes that the majority of the Egyptian population had no choice to relocate to Cairo and its environs and brought their values with them and hence the pics with the schoolgirl hijabs today vs the open hair and mini skirts in the 1950s.

    Saddam like Nasser was a Baathist so he saw some scope in modernization which included emulating Western values such as emancipation of women. But those of regimes spoke of women in terms not too different from the mullahs as the society was conservative and didnt wish to rock the boat. Especially after they saw what happened to the Shah of Iran.

  514. @Bugg

    What are the Big 4 Quality TV dramas of the 21st Century: The Sopranos, The Wire, Mad Men, and Breaking Bad? Two by Catholics, two by Jews. (Game of Thrones is more complicated because it’s adapted.)

  515. @Jack D

    I don’t agree with you on this one part, Jack:

    K&T is completely ungrounded so it shouldn’t be used for anything with a 3 prong plug.

    That 3rd wire is the case ground. If you plug a modern appliance in, which will no doubt have that, using an adapter to lose the 3rd prong, it’s not any more dangerous than using an old appliance without the case ground. You just won’t be taking advantage of the safety features of that 3rd wire, either way. You can’t with that house, unless you run a special grounding wire yourself (I’ve done that).

    It doesn’t make it any MORE dangerous. Either way, you don’t have the safety of that grounding wire, the purpose of which is to ground out the case of the device if it has a short, so that the external metal won’t be electrically hot.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  516. @Steve Sailer

    Game of Thrones is more complicated because it’s adapted

    George RR Martin is ¼ Ashkenazi Jewish and went to Catholic schools growing up rather than the public schools of Bayonne, New Jersey. He considers himself to be a lapsed Catholic.

    David Benioff was born David Friedman. As an aside, he is also married to Amanda Peet.

    D. B. Weiss is Jewish.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @syonredux
    , @JMcG
  517. @Jonathan Mason

    The late Farrokh Bulsara was born in Zanibar when it was a British protectorate and was a British citizen.

  518. @Reg Cæsar

    But it does mean that it all hinges upon a future court decision which no one can predict.

    I can predict it just fine. Courts have generally interpreted election laws as liberally as possible as to not disenfranchise the voters. If a candidate got that far in the electoral process, a judge isn’t going to throw them off of the ballot at that point.

    As for McCain, Congress made a point of passing a resolution that he was eligible to be President in spite of being born in the PCZ. I’m not sure why it was even a question, as the PCZ was an American territory at that time.

    It’s funny that Jindal was even mentioned, because I completely forget that he was a contender at one point. It’s amazing how quickly he torpedoed his own career that night by doing his impression of Kenneth the Page.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  519. Corvinus says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    “No Gen Y befriend inner-city blacks.”

    First, you changed the goalposts. I stated clearly that Gen Z are friends with people of color, including blacks. Second, when you use such words as “No”, you are indicating that it NEVER happens, which is observable false here. You could say “few” or “rarely”, and that may be true. Next time, steer clear from that absolute.

    “Every generation they get more tough from utterly feral living conditions-Mom a crack prostitute, Dad in prison or dead, living in near-third world conditions, selling drugs by age 12.”

    Except that’s not how all or most blacks live.

    “Whites meanwhile, get weaker…These days the great-grandson of a tough Polish immigrant is a metro-sexual porn addict still living in his parents McMansion in the suburbs.”

    Per usual, you are wildly generalizing.

    “More and more there is nowhere to go in the US.”

    There are numerous white refuges, from Idaho to Iowa, from Vermont to Wyoming.

    “The average white can expect to experience white flight moves twice in his lifetime.”

    Sources?

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  520. @Alden

    So … neither of you two Californians are considering goin’ Lesbo anytime in the near future.

    OK, that’s was probably not as funny as it sounds in my head. Thank you for the book recommendation. I will be reading China Boy shortly.

  521. @YetAnotherAnon

    He probably had never heard of the mall attack in the US. He just did what came naturally.

  522. @Alden

    “Old enough to remember when AMC was commercial free?”

    TCM doesn’t have commercials. Funny thing, when they show a 40’s or 50’s film noir, its supposed to be about Dark City. Actually places like LA and New York look relatively civilized 65-70 years ago.

  523. @Jonathan Mason

    There should be a 10-year warranty period on immigrants.

    You have to go back.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  524. @Untrained consequences

    We lose 6+ billion a year on Amtrak so the elite can take the Acela between DC and NYC in 3 hours.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    , @Reg Cæsar
  525. Boise is a shit-hole brimming with African “refugees” [sic]. (I cite nothing because I have personal knowledge of this fact.)

    Vermont, you say? Yeah, well, we’re working on that, don’t worry!

    The Iowa Test of Basic Skills assesses mathematics, so let’s see how Iowa is doing by the numbers:
    – +130.2%: Increase in the Latino population from 2000 to 2017. This is an increase of 107,345.
    – 189,818: The estimated Latino population of Iowa as of July 1, 2017, making people of Hispanic or Latino origin the state’s largest race or ethnic minority. Latinos constitute 6.0 percent of the state’s total population.
    – 424,077: The projected Latino population of Iowa as of July 1, 2050. According to 2017 Woods & Pool Economics, Inc., Latinos will constitute 12.3 percent of the state’s total population on that date. [More than doubling one’s percentage of the population in merely thirty years is n mean feat ¡pero, sí, se puede!]
    – +252.6%: Increase in Latino enrollment between the 1999-2000 school year and 2017-2018.
    – 41,673: The number of foreign-born Iowans [sic] in 2017 who were born in Mexico, by far more than any other Latin American [sic] country or any other country in the world. Other Latin American [sic] areas of origin with a large foreign-born population are El Salvador (3,335), Brazil (1,817), Cuba (1386), and Colombia (1,216). [N.B. Iowa’s total population is only just more than three million.]

    Wyoming a refuge for white people? The governor of the place just called me: he assures me you are a racist, and he is diligently working to establish programmes to replace the population welcome refugees [sic] in his state, inspired by the selfless work of (((Gabe Selting))). (Write to him.) Who is (((Gabe Selting))), you may ask? Why, he is a dynamo young go-getter attending law school in Washington, natch:

    His interest in social justice and service began when he was sixteen years old. He was living in London with time on his hands while his parents, both professors at the University of Wyoming, were on sabattical. During this time he thought, and he struggled. “The ultimate question was, ‘What is my personal interpretation of happiness, and how can I get there?’

    How indeed, young master? Why, by helping savages to destroy European Christians! That is (((Gabe)))’s “personal interpretation of happiness,” the little cherub!:

    “Refugees [sic] are making their way to Wyoming, whether people like it or not.”
    – “By not having a Refugee Resettlement Plan, what message are we sending to Washington and to the United Nation’s High Commission on Refugees?”
    – “All around Wyoming there’s affordable housing, low-skill jobs, and open spaces so you’re not forced to live next to others’ religions, if you don’t want to.”

    Well, clever raven, I must say it seems there are indeed numerous “white refuges,” just as you claim: all filling with swarthy refugees [sic] from the horrors of other swarthy people. As Steve Sailer repeatedly emphasises, though, these white refuges are becoming fewer and farther between, because the funny thing about providing white refuges to people who are not white, thus filling up those refuges with such people is that, pretty soon, they are no longer white, another refuge is needed, and – wouldn’t you know it? – the Earth’s surface is finite! (On account of racist cosmology and physics, of course.)

    *”Latino” and “Hispanic” here, as everywhere now, are of course just how the evil and the stupid spell “mestizo” and “Mesoamerican.”

  526. @Achmed E. Newman

    Either way, you don’t have the safety of that grounding wire, the purpose of which is to ground out the case of the device if it has a short, so that the external metal won’t be electrically hot.

    Right. And I can’t remember the last household device I had that had a metal exterior. You’d have to drop your running hair dryer into the bathtub with you to really hurt yourself.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  527. Art Deco says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Basically, you have to be born in the United States to two U.S. citizens.

    You don’t, and you never did.

    There’s an argument to be made in re Jindal because his parents were on student visas.

  528. @Jonathan Mason

    I admire a lot of Coulters work particularly her grasp on American history and culture but she seems to not make even a minimal effort in getting the history of Europe right , never mind history of other cultures of which she is blissfully ignorant but feels the need to weigh in anyway.
    In one of her books she mentioned Romans had a hard time fighting the Picts a 1000 years ago. 1000? More like 2000 . These types of errors whether typos or a genuine lack of knowledge(probably the latter) are simply shameful.

  529. @Steve Sailer

    And all of these four dramas that you named take place in urban localities, with the first two (The Wire; Sopranos), the cities are infested semi-wastelands, and definitely not bastions of upstanding citizens.

  530. @Steve Sailer

    Mad Men was too contrived and over the top. A Jewish caricature of what 1950’s whites were like.

    A decent drama, though I wouldn’t put it in the category of Sopranos and Breaking Bad is Bloodlines. Bloodlines (except for the last season which was too whoo-whoo ghosty) does a good job of capturing the seediness of the Florida Keys that is just barely below the surface.

    People who know the Keys and have spent a lot of time there (as I have) have a saying about people that talk about retiring in the Keys: “The only people that would consider retiring in the Keys are people that haven’t spent any time there”. Bloodlines demonstrates why.

  531. @Corvinus

    And once again, Corvy is doing what he does best–obfuscation, and distortion. And answering questions with several more of them.

    “I stated clearly that Gen Z are friends with people of color, including blacks.”

    A generalization. Where is the evidence for this? Every single person of Gen Z, which would include numbers in the millions. Every single one of them? How do you know this? Have you met every single person of this generation to conclusively make this statement?

    Obfuscation. Distortion.

    Very good, Corvy. Very, very good indeed.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  532. @William Badwhite

    Did you ever meet Ted Williams? He lived in the Keys for a few decades. Richard Ben Kramer’s Esquire article on him was interesting, and captured the essence of him (if the Kid actually had an essence).

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  533. Art Deco says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Hyannisport is an unincorporated resort community in the Barnstable municipality. Per capita income is about 20% higher than national means in Barnstable, though that little knot of it may be quite glam. Not a suburb or an exurb. Too distant from Boston, Providence, or New Bedford to be considered tributary to any of them.

    Chappaqua is an unincorporated not in the New Castle municipality in Westchester County. New Castle actually is a suburb. Income levels therein are about 4x the national mean. It’s really a place for patricians and fancy bourgeois.

    Palm Beach County accounts for about 1/4 of the population of greater Miami. It’s isn’t cut up into munis. The Census Bureau has some conventional data collection units. The most affluent area is Boca Raton, which has income levels about 1.5x national means.

    Chevy Chase is also unincorporated, though there are little knots of it which are. (Brett Kavanaugh’s wife is municipal administrator of one of those postage stamps). Ca. 1945, it was a bourgeois suburb open to salaried employees and small business generally. I think it was upscale but still for the middling sort ca. 1970. I stopped by about six years ago and the place looked very lush. The modest three bedroom house some relatives of mine purchased just after the war has an estimated sale price > $1.4 million per Zillow. I suspect the area is now a collecting pool of BigLaw partners and the like.

  534. Art Deco says:
    @ScarletNumber

    Unless I’ve confused him with someone else, Martin recently discovered that he’d been sired not by his father but by a friend of his mother’s. Don’t think he ever knew anything about any Jewish family in real time.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @ScarletNumber
  535. syonredux says:
    @William Badwhite

    The first season was pretty good:

  536. syonredux says:
    @ScarletNumber

    David Benioff was born David Friedman. As an aside, he is also married to Amanda Peet.

  537. @Charlesz Martel

    You’d have to go back to 1966 before Jim Knight got bought off (Knight Ridder Newspapers) on the issue to see anything suggesting that immigration could even theoretically be anything other than an unalloyed good.

    Can you give us some more detail on the Jim Knight sellout?

  538. @istevefan

    First, the use of word fear to shame Whites. They fled because they were afraid is akin to some sort of elementary school argument. If fear is not a good reason to flee, then we should immediately shut down our immigration and asylum system ASAP since those people are leaving their homelands due to fear. Fear apparently is no longer a valid reason to flee.

    Good point. Moreover, the use of “frightened” implies that it was all in their heads and that it was emotional rather than rational.

  539. JMcG says:
    @ScarletNumber

    I got halfway through the first GofT novel before I dumped it into the kitchen trashcan. I don’t know anything about Martin except that he is a repellent, loathsome individual with a twisted soul.

  540. JackOH says:

    ben tillman, I’ll take a shot at defining the fear of the period.

    Whites reasonably feared for both their personal safety and the loss of property value by the actions of their incomprehensible government in unleashing a Black population seeking vindication from an innocent White population that had caused them no injury.

    Does that sound okay? There may be better formulations, too.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  541. @Art Deco

    Martin recently discovered that he’d been sired not by his father but by a friend of his mother’s.

    Game of Bedchambers.

  542. Corvinus says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “And once again, Corvy is doing what he does best–obfuscation, and distortion.”

    Don’t blame me for your own shortcomings.

    “Where is the evidence for this?”

    https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/278844/cross-cultural-gen-z.html

    http://www.sensisagency.com/blog/20160623/cross-cultural-gen-z

    “Every single person of Gen Z, which would include numbers in the millions. Every single one of them? How do you know this?”

    I never directly or indirectly made that exact claim. Talk about distortion!

  543. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Alas I never met Teddy Ballgame, I’m not that old. I don’t believe he ever lived in the Keys full-time though he maintained a home there. He liked the Keys because he was really into fishing, also that (at least back in the 50’s and 60’s) they were somewhat remote.

    His place was in Islamorada (really a collection of islands rather than just one) on Upper Matecumbe and is pretty nice:

    https://www.oceanhomemag.com/real-estate/ted-williams-florida-keys-fishing-home/

    This article from the late 60’s is pretty good:

    https://www.si.com/mlb/2015/02/06/si-60-going-fishing-kid-ted-williams-florida-keys

    • Replies: @Bugg
    , @Mr McKenna
  544. @ScarletNumber

    I can predict it just fine. Courts have generally interpreted election laws as liberally as possible as to not disenfranchise the voters

    Of course. SCOTUS would have a large chunk of the country after their throats should they disqualify a popular candidate on a technicality.

    The ones with egg on their faces, or gravestones, after the 2000 election were the Electoral College abolitionists who claimed that Americans would never accept a result where the “popular vote” loser won. But accept they did. (I don’t remember which of the big ones, James Michener, Lawrence Langley, Neil Peirce [sic], so predicted, and I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt. That prediction was predictably half-right!)

    But, as with presidential electors, they are still the ones making the decision. There could be situations where the Justices find themselves forced or pressured to go the other way.

  545. Kyle says:
    @njguy73

    Chase Utley is the best second baseman in MLB history!

  546. @LondonBob

    Thanks for bringing that up, Bob. I’ve watched that movie twice, and I’d forgotten about that bit of “narrative” until you wrote that. It also takes a while to think of Michael Keaton as being anything but a nice goofy guy. Is it because he’s white and smirks a lot? I should check my privilege… yep, still got it in my wallet.

    To Steve and the other readers: If you are thinking of becoming a landlord, WATCH PACIFIC HEIGHTS. Michael Keaton is one evil SOB. Granted, the situation was extreme, but some locations, such as in California, make being a landlord a big, big gamble.

  547. njguy73 says:
    @ScarletNumber

    Morgan had the best five-year peak (1972-1976) but for whole career I’d go with Hornsby.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  548. @YetAnotherAnon

    OK Govner, so it was a Tottenham man that done it.

  549. @syonredux

    Thank you, Mr. Redux. That is now the 3rd/4 recommendations that I have gotten off of just this one thread, I think! I couldn’t find the one book, Slaughter of Cities at the ‘brary.

  550. Jack D says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    And I can’t remember the last household device I had that had a metal exterior.

    Every desktop computer that I have ever owned had a metal chassis.

    They put those 3rd prongs on there for a reason. If you use a 2 prong adapter and have nowhere to ground the pigtail then you are reducing your safety. (A lot of older houses after the knob and tube era have box grounds – if you secure the pigtail under the faceplate screw you may establish a ground).

    If I lived in a K&T house then I would replace the outlets with GFIs , at least in all the wet areas. GFI’s don’t depend on ground – they constantly compare the incoming to the outgoing current and if there is any leakage to another path (even a tiny bit) they trip off within milliseconds.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  551. most inaccurate idea for decades now: LA has a lot of hot women. no, not really. it has millions of short ugly third world trolls.

    The Miami International Airport is the spot for gorgeous exotic women. The University of Florida has the most attractive, fresh-faced all-American beauties!

  552. Bugg says:
    @William Badwhite

    Went to Key West for a week last year in December; had a great time. Sunsets on the water with a few cold cocktails were wonderful, lots of great fresh seafood and even the tourist attractions like Hemingway’s house or Truman’s “Southern White House” were cool. Struck by the Key West rule that , since there is no real hospital in the Keys, residents get one free airlift to a Miami hospital in case of a medical emergency. But after that, they bill you every last dime for the flight. Not sure any sensible retiree is signing up for that.

    We drove down from Miami in a top down rented Mustang, which on a sunny day was great. Along the way,we stopped in a few of the towns along the highway. Was also struck by how many seedy people there were. In every restaurant, bar and shopping center, looked like a retirement community for Jeff Lebowski wannabees and every other mulletted roadie from the last 4 decades, plus many past expiration bottle blonde groupie chicks. Boating communities depend on a lot of guys to do grunt work, along with food service and hospitality jobs. In the northeast it’s only for 4-5 months, but down there it’s every day. These people never get a real job.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  553. @Jack D

    I use my laptop in the bathtub because it’s not as bulky as my desktop, but I know what you mean. 😉

    Anybody who moves into a “used” house should immediately install GFCI outlets anywhere water is near electricity – kitchen, bath, laundry, etc., for just the reasons Jack stated. Local code will make you do this if you renovate. It’s very cheap safety, especially if you have kids. You can even get GFCI breakers to put in your electrical panel.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  554. @JMcG

    GoT the series was pretty good, but you have to binge watch it because there are always about 5 sub plots going on. Great dialog and CGI. Did I mention lots of T&A?

  555. @Smithsonian

    okay so i will acknowledge botswana is run decently(and I was aware of that.) Can it be replicated though? It has massive natural resource wealth. I guess a great question is, can we replicate botswana and if so, how?

  556. Jack D says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    Stereo receivers (although it seems like most kids nowadays have bluetooth speakers instead) also have metal chassis up to the present day. Toasters too. Refrigerators, microwaves and stoves. Metal is not extinct.

    The other good news is that if you wire a GFCI properly it protects not only that outlet but all the outlets downstream from it on the same circuit.

  557. The other good news is that if you wire a GFCI properly it protects not only that outlet but all the outlets downstream from it on the same circuit.

    Jack D is correct as usual. It’s a bit more work to find which outlet is the furthest upstream, so the easiest thing to do would be to put a GFCI breaker in the fuse box.

  558. Anonymous[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @Haole

    but not asians till the asians run the schools like here in Hawaii, than the schools suck.

    What causes the schools to suck?

  559. Anonymous[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Everyone said not to put him in the Honolulu public schools

    What is wrong with Honolulu public schools?

    • Replies: @Haole
  560. @njguy73

    It’s an odd comparison because Hornsby was awesome up through age 30 or so, then tailed off rapidly. Morgan’s 20s were depressed by the Astrodome, then he was amazing in his 30s after lots of people thought they’d already figured him out as good but not great.

    Also, in early baseball, the wiry fielders were put at first and third to acrobatically field all the bunts, while the sluggers played 2nd and short, like LaJoie and Wagner. Hornsby’s huge production at 2nd was kind of a relic of the dead ball era.

    E.g., it wasn’t really until Eddie Matthews in the 1950s that the stereotype that your third baseman ideally ought to hit 40 homers emerged. Before that, 3rd basemen weren’t expected to carry much of an offensive load.

  561. njguy73 says:

    For much of his time with the Astros, the organization attempted to get Morgan to modify his cut, to slap the ball the other way—the way little guys are supposed to. The problem was that Morgan wasn’t especially good at that; despite his incredible pitch recognition talent, such an approach from Morgan was prone to produce little more than harmless hoppers to shortstop. So Little Joe kept reverting to his natural, big swing, which would irritate Houston management into insisting that he’d never fulfill his potential doing that, and the frustrating cycle would start all over again…In Cincinnati, manager Sparky Anderson was wise enough to just write Morgan’s name on the lineup card and leave it at that. Letting it rip, Morgan generated a relentless stream of wicked liners and towering flies, almost never hitting the ball to left field: a pattern of production typically seen in lefty sluggers at least half a foot taller and 50 pounds heavier. Morgan’s peak was so Himalayan that within a few years, as age finally caught up with him and he was dogged by chronic minor injuries, he lost his capacity to hit for average, and lost most of his speed as well—and yet remained an exceptionally good all-around second baseman until he was 40.

    https://tht.fangraphs.com/enlivening-the-mid-1970s-part-two/

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  562. Anonymous[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @William Badwhite

    People who know the Keys and have spent a lot of time there (as I have) have a saying about people that talk about retiring in the Keys: “The only people that would consider retiring in the Keys are people that haven’t spent any time there”.

    How is the keys as a place to visit?

    • Replies: @Bugg
  563. @HA

    I got a bit carried away,frankly. My disgust at Simon kind of got the best of me. But still, aint the great show so many think it is.

  564. @njguy73

    I wonder how much hitting talent the Houston Astros wasted in the 1960s: Joe Morgan, Jimmy Wynn, Rusty Staub …

    To some extent, this strategy of slap-hitting made sense because the Astrodome was a bad ballpark for sluggers: the downward blasting air conditioning turned a lot of huge flies into warning track outs.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @njguy73
  565. Bugg says:
    @Anonymous

    Beautiful.Not as humid as the rest of Florida. Sunrise and sunset like no other every day. And the US Navy 90 miles from Havana.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  566. @Art Deco

    Correct that Martin didn’t know he was part Jewish growing up. However, I believe his paternal grandfather was the cuckold. I only mentioned it to show that Steve’s point about Jews and Catholics has validity for Game of Thrones as well.

  567. @Jim Don Bob

    To be fair, I would be surprised if Amtrak loses money on Acela.

  568. JMcG says:
    @Bugg

    I too drove a rented Mustang convertible from Miami to Key West last December. I’m kind of wondering if one of my passengers is a secret Sailerite at the moment.
    I have to be honest though, if you don’t like to fish and/or drink, the Keys might not be the best place to visit. I like Islamorada far more than Key West, but it’s really just a pretty place to fish. Or dive, I forgot about diving.

  569. @Jim Don Bob

    We lose 6+ billion a year on Amtrak so the elite can take the Acela between DC and NYC in 3 hours.

    They break even or better in the Northeast. Were Amtrak to go under, those routes would survive.

    This list is 22 years old, but likely nothing has changed, except some routes eliminated. The Metroliner was the sole profitable line. New Orleans-to-Mobile was the outrageous loser.

    http://www.publicpurpose.com/ic-amtroute.htm

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  570. @Steve Sailer

    Now that we’re speaking of baseball again, finally, can you or any other Angelenos here tell me if baseball buffs out there show much interest in the Brooklyn Dodgers? Or do they only care about the LA era?

  571. While the film isn’t just about white flight, that topic is addressed in the side story of the parents of Dustin Hoffman’s character who reuse to move from their apartment though the neighborhood has become nearly 100% “vibrant” and it has become dangerous to visit the elderly couple for passover.

    This scene has to do with another side story of Hoffman’s son being involved with a young woman in the real estate business.

  572. dr kill says:
    @istevefan

    Palm Beach County, Florida.

  573. @slumber_j

    He’s term-limited, so no re-election for him.

    I guess I didn’t realize NYC has mayoral term limits, but I checked Wikipedia, and it seems you are correct.

  574. @Bugg

    Was also struck by how many seedy people there were.

    Hence my comment about nobody wanting to retire in the Keys that has spent any time in the Keys. There’s nothing at all do other than fish or dive. Or drink. When I go its because I’m fishing or diving (lobster season started this week). Or visiting out of town friends that are visiting Key West (aka as a friend that flew in one of the aggressor squadrons out of NAS Key West – which is actually on Boca Chica, not Key West – back in the day called it, “Aids West”).

    Many of the keys are nothing more than shallow spots on a reef and you can hit a 9-iron from the bay to the ocean. Mosquitoes in summer, seedy derelicts year-round. If you’re there for more than 3-4 days you can actually feel your IQ declining.

    since there is no real hospital in the Keys,

    Depends on how you define “real”

    https://www.lkmc.com/

  575. njguy73 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I wonder how much hitting talent the Houston Astros wasted in the 1960s: Joe Morgan, Jimmy Wynn, Rusty Staub …

    The same author covered that as well.

    https://tht.fangraphs.com/the-virtual-1972-houston-astros-part-1/

    https://tht.fangraphs.com/the-virtual-1972-houston-astros-part-2/

    He also did what-ifs for:

    – Yankees not trading Willie McGee, Fred McGriff, Doug Drabek, Jay Buhner…
    – Cardinals not trading Dick Allen, Steve Carlton, Jerry Reuss…
    and several others.

  576. Haole says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    I agree you fled from asians, or maybe you were repelled by asian living conditions and so you did not move to Hawaii.

    Asians invest more. More money and housing prices go up. Black invest less, housing prices and quality go down.
    Whites invest less than asians but more than blacks and find living with either group hard. Must be that virsus OAC was talking about.

    somebody with more time and better writing skills than I needs to plot all this out and tell us where we end up.

  577. Haole says:
    @Anonymous

    Lots, dont put your kids in Hawaii public schools

  578. @Alden

    Agreed, sadly. My (white) neighbor has latino grandchildren. I have to say it that way because even though they’re technically half-white, they appear pretty much latino. Which is to say short, dark, and unattractive. It’s been noted before, but it doesn’t take too many turds to spoil the punch. Sort of late in life, I realize why people used to be careful about having their gene pool polluted.

  579. @William Badwhite


    Ha! I look at that photo and think: that ocean is coming in your living room next week.

    That’s the view from the second floor! $4 Million? No way, José.

    • Replies: @Bugg
    , @William Badwhite
  580. Bugg says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Having a house destroyed by Sandy, did find it shocking how low to the sea all the Keys houses are. Basically every northeast sea shore community from Ocean City MD through Maine is now 12-15 feet in the air. You cannot get insurance otherwise. But the Florida Keys, with that destroyed railway bridge right there as a reminder, hurricane, nah,we aren’t doing any of that house-raising stuff. The flood insurance has to be through the roof.

  581. @JMcG

    I’m impressed you got that far. I never even opened any of them up.

  582. @Mr McKenna

    I look at that photo and think: that ocean is coming in your living room next week.

    That’s Florida Bay. The ocean is on the other side, about the viewer’s 7 o’clock.

  583. HA says:
    @Steve Sailer

    “Two by Catholics, two by Jews.”

    As noted earlier, The Wire was based on the life of Ed Burns one of its co-creators. I doubt he’s Jewish. His IMDB bio describes him as having attended Catholic schools (and Jesuit-run Loyola College).

  584. Ed says:
    @PV van der Byl

    Yes that’s whom I was speaking about.

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