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From the New York Times:

“There’s this narrative of Asian-Americans being targeted in the quest to bring more opportunity to black and Latino people,” she said. “I think that narrative is incredibly problematic.”

In recent years, the word “problematic” has come to mean, basically:

“I gotta a lot of problems with you people. Now, you’re gonna hear about it! … But I’ve been to college longer than Frank Costanza, so I say ‘problematic’ to sound smart.”

Did “problematic” always mean “I’m angry but I can’t articulate a logical reason why”?

I first ran into “problematic” around 1974 from a high school teacher I didn’t get along with. I gave him a lot of grief about using “problematic.” He was big into existentialism, so I always associated the word with existentialism: Sartre, Tillich, those guys. The Encyclopedia Britannica defines existentialism:

Existentialism, any of various philosophies, most influential in continental Europe from about 1930 to the mid-20th century, that have in common an interpretation of human existence in the world that stresses its concreteness and its problematic character.

Lately, I kind of miss the existentialists — considering what comes after you’ve been forgotten, you guys weren’t so bad. So I was feeling down about being hard on my old teacher.

But maybe it was always a word that appealed to the kind of people who use it now?

 
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  1. Tiny Duck says:

    Asians support affirmative action

    They recognise that opposition to affirmative action is a way for rascally whites to pit People of Color against each other. The majority of Asia she support other POC and fight against white supremacy

  2. Anon[246] • Disclaimer says:

    I take more issue with incredibly: The Strunk & Anon rule is “Omit all adverbs; you’re not gonna need them.”

    Problematic is an example of a word that can be used when you haven’t thought through what you think or you mean to say. It’s a sign of intellectual laziness. It’s characteristic of people who rarely write critical text and rarely engage in verbal debate with others, both of which help you think through and clarify what you think about things.

    • Replies: @Maus
    , @dearieme
    , @Autochthon
  3. Rosie says:

    There’s a verb, too: problematize.

    For anyone who’d like to try and make some sense of it:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problematization

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Nicholas Stix
  4. The PC culture of always looking for offense (and therefore also for wrongdoers) can make talking about social topics a real tightrope act for liberals. What if your comments can be taken as criticizing the wrong group?

    If it’s white supremacy you’re calling out you can relax and be free in your language.

    But if there’s any danger that what you say could be interpreted as blaming an official victim group then you have to be much more careful. You have to use language that doesn’t pinpoint any particular person or group as responsible for something.

    Using the word “problematic” makes it sound like a problem just occurred all by itself. No one caused it.

  5. Trevor H. says:

    Did “problematic” always mean “I’m angry but I can’t articulate a logical reason why”?

    Keeping white people around to blame everything upon means never having to say why. Or even to think about it.

  6. El Dato says:

    I never understood Sartre. His stance seemed to be that a Man has Godlike Independence to Act of his Own Free Will (a ridiculous position) but still can’t because the universe is oppressive.

    Problematic developments in Germany from the webzine that Kerry warned you abouut:

    Germany introduces 3rd gender… but LGBT groups say it’s not enough

    Also, yellow vest action in Israel (a small affair as yet):

    ‘Time to learn from the French!’ Yellow Vest protests spread to Israel, 10 arrested

    Holy shit @ long-haired college girls in uniform moving protestors. Will Mr Portnoy complain?

  7. Ron C says:

    Affirmative action by purely discriminating against whites would result in too many Asians for it to be politically sustainable, and an extreme amount of pressure against whites. Racial balancing is what colleges actually strive for – forget remedying for past sins. Of course, when real billions of dollars are on the line, see Facebook, Google, etc. you often end up with 30-45%+ Asian technical workforces. In a country that is 90% white and 10% minority, the dynamics are quite different than a 65% white, 5% Asian, 15% Hispanic, 10% black, and 5% other country. The ratio of privilige

    I’ve actually heard it multiple times that if you aren’t willing to accept premises such as racism is highly prevalent and the main cause of disparate outcomes, minorities cannot be racist, etc. then people should not even discuss or debate these because it’s pulling the Overton Window too far to the right, and stalling progress. Of course, they don’t couch it in those terms, just that “There is no logical reason to accept all the evidence” and “Racism, explained” Vox-style

  8. Ron C says:

    There is a new list of thought-terminating cliches all evolving out of the great Church of Social Justice
    Woke
    Problematic
    Internalized ___
    Ethical capitalism (but always my ethics, not yours)
    Being used as a wedge
    Racism is privilege plus power

    It makes me wonder how a state where Clinton won by a margin of nearly 2-to-1 can sustain Proposition 209. Perhaps Attorney General Xavier Becerra will give a new ballot initiative repealing Proposition 209 the title “Access and equality for all” and have the summary read “Allow minorities and disadvantaged groups to receive equal access to education and jobs” rather than “Repeals California Civil Rights Initiative, which makes it illegal for state government and to discriminate or give preferences to on the basis of race or gender”. After we saw the Proposition 6 fiasco, remember the power of the institutional state.

    The media will continue to trot out poorly worded polls claiming that Asians support affirmative action (meanwhile, looking at Gallup, not even half of blacks support it)

    Affirmative action is already on the shit list of not openly support-able ideas in a liberal environment (tax cuts are always fine, small government is OK, but border wall, pro-Trumpism, anti-transgenderism, pro-immigration enforcement will get you shitcanned). It’s a strong example of minority rule.

    • Replies: @Deckin
    , @Anon
  9. The use of the word problematic is a well-known warning sign in social or group therapy and in the talks of professionals about social and group-therapy. Often times this word indicates, that there are problems, no one wants to address: Wash me, but don’t make me wet.

    In existentialism, the word problematic hits a rather dark note – as a marker of the critical distance from everyday optimism (cf. Soundgarden’s Black Hole Sun Video as an astonishing renaissance of the original existentialism – with Tillich’s deep transcendentalism well (if in a rather pagan way, undoubtedly) included). –

    – In the end, pessimists do have a clearer understanding of the world, but optimists often times fare better none the less. – Another reason, to feel like a “dharma bum”, or a “beat” – and another reason to make friends with the romantic losers and the notoriously unsuccessful but insightful nonetheless doubters and the jugglers & the clowns (Dylan, Like a Rolling Stone) and painters and writers and slackers etc. pp.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @SunBakedSuburb
  10. Anon[212] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m Angry But I Can’t Give a Logical Reason Why?

    More like ‘afraid’.

  11. Anonym says:

    The Christ-cucks weren’t so bad either, really, though next time around the inherent Jew worship needs a good hard rethink.

    I think the word problematic appeals to academics. Academia has their own fashion in buzz words, just like the corporate world (see below). Instead of leveraging synergies they interrogate situations they find problematic, namely whatever remnants of white male cisgender hegemony there are to be mopped up in our postmodern society.

    Problematic can also mean, if not intractable; tricky and that the solution or workaround is still relatively unsatisfying.

  12. Gary says:

    Every time you hear ‘problematic’, replace it with ‘blasphemous’. It’ll make a ton more sense.

  13. clyde says:

    problematic………never heard that word much until 5 years ago. Problematical trumps it in uselessness.

    Passionate and inappropriate, two more words rendered useless by babbling libbies and babbling women.

  14. dearieme says:

    I suspect that “problematic” is much used by the sort of people who use “inappropriate” a lot, and probably “significant” too. There are armies of uneducated intellectuals who deploy important-sounding words that carry no precise meaning: they are just boo-words and hurray-words.

  15. It is a useful signal to stop listening or reading, in the unfortunate event you get that far while listening to or reading something by someone who uses that word.

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Savage Indifference
  16. Tyrion 2 says:

    Problematic is notable for its vagueness, so you’re right, people use it when they feel aggrieved by something but struggle to explain why.

    Progressives love vagaries. It saves having to think. You just repeat what you know will make you sound virtuous and never bother yourself with the details. No wonder Vox with its “explainers” is the progressive journal du jour.

    Ironically, specific words for virtues are themselves problematic: loyalty, courage, selflessness, integrity…it is like by saying them you are forcing others to be honest with themselves. Now, that’s just mean.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  17. Bitfu says:

    Narrative is another of these types of words. Ostensibly, they mean ‘story’ but ‘narrative’ signals ‘college educated’; therefore it gets crammed into sentences instead.

    Of course, my use of ‘ostensibly’ ostensibly just means ‘apparently’. I just wanted to signal that I’m not jealous of college graduates for I went to college myself. And, even if you take issue with my misuse of ‘ostensibly’–you have to admit–it’s a damn impressive word. And besides, if you’re not careful I might just come over the top and hit you with a ‘pedantic’ blast. So be careful.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  18. Urban Dictionary does a good job of nailing down the latter day usage of “problematic.”

    problematic

    Top definition

    A corporate-academic weasel word used mainly by people who sense that something may be oppressive, but don’t want to do any actual thinking about what the problem is or why it exists. Also frequently used in progressive political settings among White People of a Certain Education to avoid using herd-frightening words like “racist” or “sexist.”

    I don’t know, something about SlutWalk seems highly problematic to me.

    2 Problematic

    Used by University lecturers to say they disagree with a piece of literature while not outwardly expressing that fact. There is often a long pause before this line is delivered often with pointless hand gestures.

    Lecturer: I find David Starkey’s work……………….problematic.

  19. Nope.

    It may now, but it hasn’t always. My friend used to use the word “problamatic” (“that’s gonna be problematic” instead of “that’s gonna be a problem”) a whole lot back in the ’90’s just to use a big word for fun. He is a smart guy and no SJW of any sort.

    Anyone can use that word, but to use “existentialism”, you pretty much have to have a beard or goatee and drink a lot of coffee at the coffee shops whilst pounding your fists on the table once in a while. Otherwise, you shouldn’t use big words like that, as they are probably out of your league.

  20. “Problematic” (along with “troubling”) is the barely-adult version of Mommy not letting her toddler have a cookie before dinner and the kid protesting.

  21. black sea says:

    “Problematic” has been replaced by the less nuanced, though more censorious, “not OK.”

  22. @black sea

    You are right, Mr. Sea. That one is becoming BIG, along with another one I just read again 2 minutes ago – “crossing the line”. The question is always “whose line?” The next question should always be “who’s gonna stop me?”

  23. Well, we’ve moved (downhill) from “problematic” to “problematize”. From Wikipedia:

    “Problematization of a term, writing, opinion, ideology, identity, or person is to consider the concrete or existential elements of those involved as challenges (problems) that invite the people involved to transform those situations. It is a method of defamiliarization of common sense.”

    Postmodernism at its best. Take a decent word and make it longer and very ugly.

    No one can say for sure what any of this actually means, which is why the lefties love this sort of verbal smog so much.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  24. Oxforddictionaries.com reminds us of the older usage, which used to be standard some decades ago.

    ‘Changes to the Constitution have proved somewhat problematic in the past.’

    ‘Thus, the problematic nature of eyewitness reports was explicitly acknowledged by the U.S. Supreme Court.’

    But on another page, it succumbs to the modern, pejorative, usage. Boldface is mine.

    9 words with offensive origins

    Nothing is stranger than discovering that words or phrases we hear every day have offensive or problematic origins. And while there’s no need to cast aspersions on the language of bygone days, it’s helpful to check in on the words we use and what they mean (or used to mean). Some of the words here have just had their meanings softened over time, but others have origin stories that we seem more comfortable having forgotten.

    1. no can do

    The widespread use of the phrase in English today has obscured its origin: what might seem like folksy, abbreviated version of I can’t do it is actually an imitation of Chinese Pidgin English. The phrase dates from the mid-19th to early-20th centuries, an era when Western attitudes towards the Chinese were markedly racist.

    2. long time no see

    Another phrase imitative of the syntax of pidgin English, long time no see was originally meant as a humorous interpretation of a Native American greeting, used after a prolonged separation. The current earliest citation recorded in the Oxford English Dictionary (OED) comes from W.F. Drannan’s book Thirty-one Years on Plains (1901): ‘When we rode up to him [sc. an American Indian] he said: ‘Good mornin. Long time no see you’.

    https://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2015/06/18/9-words-with-offensive-origins/

    • Replies: @Whitney
    , @Fred Boynton
  25. Whitney says:
    @PiltdownMan

    10 years ago I was in Vietnam for a few months and when you spoke to just about any Vietnamese person about something that needed to be clarified in some way the same expression would come up “same same but different”. All the white people started using it, they thought it was hilarious even had it put it up on t-shirts. It’s weird to think that was only 10 years ago because I guess that would be problematic today

  26. “incredibly problematic”

    You keep using those words, I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

  27. Rufus says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Exactly. They just want to work the rackets to extract resources. A corrupt servile society and race. # vibrant diversity coming your way fast Americans # mass immigration

  28. @Tiny Duck

    Imdeed they do. They’re smart enough to know they can’t defeat whitey on their own with the numbers they have.

    • Replies: @BigDickNick
  29. You had a high school teacher who was conversant with existentialism? My high school teachers thought Jean-Paul Sartre was a Bond villain.

  30. Troubled

    Horrible GOP baby boomer twit Christine Todd Whitman is troubled by everything under the sun that might prevent her from further looting the people of the United States.

    I found it problematic to listen to the pal of the opera singer Frederica Von Stade — Christine Todd Whitman — go on and on about things being “troubled” or “troubling.”

    I finally came to the conclusion that Whitman was a witch out to destroy the United States with her mass immigration and financialization schemes. I think her baby boomer banker boy hubby put a lot of Whitman’s financial schemes into her pointy head.

    Double, double toil and trouble;

    Fire burn, and caldron bubble.

    State Worker Pension Bond Scam Whitman Is Problematic

    That Chicago guy Rahmy Emanuel brought to mind Whitman because he is now pulling a pension bond scheme too.

    MERRY CHRISTMAS!

  31. Would you jerks stop making things up? This is worse than fake news. Though not problematic cause it’s all lies, plain and simple. BTW, where is Sailer buried? I’d like to send a wreath or flowers for his grave.

  32. The word “problematic” encompasses one’s inability to logically dispute a given point of view combined with their strong emotions tied to the topic.

    An example might be the public pension crisis in Illinois. All of the data makes clear that the current public pension structure within the state are unsustainable and will run out of money.

    I cannot refute that evidence, but I feel like we should continue on as it is. Someone else points out that we shouldn’t. I find that problematic.

  33. Somewhat OT, but hopefully not problematic:

    Just as we humans are tricked by optical illusions, we are tricked by ‘cognitive illusions’. The logical fallacies that have a superficial appeal, but are impotent upon scrutiny.

    Affirmative action has a superficial appeal because proportionate group success sounds as if the members of the group have inherited ‘fairness’ from group parity. That because the group results are ‘fair’, this devolves to fairness for the individuals of the group. This logical fallacy is called ‘the fallacy of division’.

    The only way that ‘groups’ can be equalized is if individuals are treated differently. But the reason that groups are presumed to have proportionate success is from the notion of fairness to every individual. So we are stuck with the dilemma that we can either treat everyone equally, or we can equalize every group result, but we can’t do both.

    Quotas solves the institutional problem of looking fair from a distance. The forest looks fair, just don’t look at the individual trees. Quotas provide the litigation insurance that institutions desire. Instead of being fair to thousands of individuals they only need equalize a handful of groups.

    Individuals are real. Demographic groups are abstractions. Cognitive folders that “contain” the real items. Abstractions are necessary for the human mind to get the mind around a concept and to deal with the idea. Conflating groups as extensions of individuals is how affirmative action scams sustain themselves to the delight of our institutions. Quota-mongering is civil rights accounting fraud.

    Individuals matter, groups don’t. The more that groups are equalized, the more random winners and losers are minted.

    If we ignored group results and simply treated every individual fairly, who could possibly be said to be suffering? Groups don’t suffer, individuals do.

    • Replies: @LemmingsFolly
  34. Clyde says:

    OT
    Whitetopia Lacrosse day
    This Saturday morning I was taking a fast walk through the town athletic field and it was full of lacrosse players of all ages. Pre-university of course. As many girls as boys. Even girls and boys who looked 8 years old or so. Good clean aerobic fun with lots of families out there. Lacrosse looks safer than soccer with its heading the ball etc.

    I’ll bet Title 9 athletic scholarships account for some of the girls interest in Lacrosse.

  35. Year ago when the crew sat around a table at The Badda Bing, sipping wine and smoking stogies, someone would mention that they had a “problem” with Vinny. And that would be problematic for the soon to be departed Vinny. Hope this helps.

  36. CCZ says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Your satire is juvenile. Take some lessons from a master, Titania McGrath.

    https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1070008134293487618

  37. @william munny

    “Performative” performs that function for me.

    I can actually recall the first time I heard it – “performativity” – in 2008, at a panel at the Texas Book Festival:

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?282241-4/memo-president-elect

    • Replies: @Song For the Deaf
  38. Anon[419] • Disclaimer says:

    One word: affluence. It is only in affluent societies that people can waste time on thinking about these things.

    These people, they are thinking what they are doing, but they are not really thinking. Because in order to think it is necessary to be thinking in the way of a man that is thinking what he is doing, but also not really knowing in a way of the man who is not necessarily doing but also thinking.

  39. @PiltdownMan

    Hey guys, long time no see. I hope you’re not going to drink the Kool-Aid and let these basket case cretins and morons who should be hauled away in a paddy wagon tell you that we shouldn’t use words with “offensive origins”. What a gyp; we should get a grandfather clause to still use them. As for me not using them, no can do. These people are Indian givers trying to take these words away.

    On a more serious note, for the past few weeks/months I’ve heard radio commercials for a Paddy Wagon bar/restaurant in Twin Cities; I think since this term can still be used in the media the Irish must have somehow, inexplicably, become white.

    • Replies: @eddy wobegon
  40. the word racist is problematic because “racist” in most usages today refers to a race realist. Yawn. So many pseudoconcept words–problematic is but 1 of many

  41. Alfa158 says:

    I always thought the word problematic had been invented by shitlibs specifically for this purpose. I had no idea it was a real word that was in use prior to that, but sure enough, my Webster’s cites the earliest known use being in 1609.

  42. Lot says:
    @Dieter Kief

    I loved the video for Black Hole Sun in middle school. So edgy! It was played a lot on MTV.

    • Replies: @Anonym
  43. @black sea

    Soon to come: double-plus-ungood.

  44. Lot says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Once you’ve been admitted, there is no personal reason to oppose AA. Why not virtue signal?

    Ask those same people what they think the day they mailed their applications.

  45. In the same spirit as the old wives’ tale (a phrase which is itself of course rich in pre-feminist problematics) that the Eskimos (GAAAH! Even more problematic!) have a… Ahem. Let me re-phrase.

    In the same spirit as the folk belief that the Inuit have 37 different words for “snow,” it is helpful from a structural and linguistic hermeneutic to understand that the term “problematic” is simply one of over 226 well-attested words in the Leftardian Language Family which can be used to indicate “I hate White people (but wish to remain in their territory and enjoy their stuff)”.

    Because structure. Because hermeneutics.

    Regarding the existentialist perspective (Sartre 1949 passim), a different hermeneutic informing the totemic aspect of the linguistic unit “problematic” can be derived from Rotten, 1977, videlicet,

    “Problem? THE PROBLEM IS YOU!”

  46. In this context then, can’t we just say that using the word problematic is, well, problematic?

  47. It definitely shifts the emphasis off of the accuser. Although their lived experience is undeniable and deserves not to be erased, they have the option of claiming that, obviously, all reasonable people everywhere (or all people of a particular color/gender/whatever) would find the same thing problematic, so they don’t actually need to find a single individual who does. This is about the only way a privileged person can get away with speaking on behalf of an entire minority these days, but you need to remember the magic word.

    It also vaguely hints at some authority not in the room who is alone qualified to judge. It has a certain air of “I’m taking this to the principal’s office” but you don’t know who the principal is, all you know is that they’re going to side with the accuser and you can’t say anything until you’re able to formally begin an appeals process. The accuser and accused need not even be part of an institution with a discipline process having common jurisdiction over both of them, although if they are part of, say, a university, the vagueness of the accusation leaves open the question of which of the many campus inquisitions they could choose to sic on you, so you’d better shut up before they start getting specific.

  48. Curle says:

    Problematic seems to often mean ‘counter narrative.’ Possible usage: ‘the failure of priming results to replicate is problematic.’

    • Agree: Lot
  49. @Dieter Kief

    ” … pessimists do have a clearer understanding of the world, but optimists often times fare better none the less.”

    As a pessimist looking for a reason to be an optimist, I couldn’t agree with you more.

  50. If you want a vision of the future, Winston, just imagine being hen-pecked incessantly by up-talkers, forever.

  51. @Tiny Duck

    Here’s one of many examples of Chinese racism against Kenyans. Those rascally Chinese refer to Kenyans as “talking monkeys”. They are probably all Republicans.

    I’m thinking that holding your coalition of the fringes together might be somewhat problematic (to get this discussion back “on topic”).

    But don’t worry. We know how well blacks and Latins get along. Just look at Compton.

    And in the meantime, after you look up the definition of problematic, you might look up “Baizuo”.

    https://nextshark.com/chinese-man-kenya-black-people-monkeys/

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  52. The word “problematic” subsumes the three Newspeak words “crimethink”, “crimespeak”, and “crimedo” into one word that is doubleplusgood duckspeak. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Newspeak_words)

    Thus the incorporation of “problematic” into the Newspeak lexicon allows near effortless doubleplusgood bellyfeel for todays SJWs, virtue signalers, and other progs.

  53. Problematic’s real meaning is shown below. Muddled people have corrupted it.

    From Webster’s 1913 Dictionary (before today’s muddle) from http://www.dict.org.

    Problematic:

    1. Having the nature of a problem; not shown in fact;
    questionable; uncertain; unsettled; doubtful; as, his
    theory is problematic because it fails to explain several
    facts.

    Diligent inquiries into remote and problematical
    guilt leave a gate wide open to . . . informers.
    –Swift.
    [1913 Webster]

    As in, “anthropogenic global warming is a theory which is problematic (i.e. not shown in fact).”

  54. KunioKun says:

    They have an explanation. It’s the same one they’ve been giving all along. They’ve said it so many times that it is tedious to say again so they short circuit it with their new lingo. How many different ways can somebody come up with to blame White people for all their problems? We should have improv “blame whitey” competitions to see who can come up with the most original and credible ways to blame Whites for a given problem.

    • Replies: @Anon
  55. OT: The attempt to kill any dissident voice via de-monetization continues.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pacific-life-pulls-ads-from-tucker-carlsons-show-after-poorer-and-dirtier-immigration-comment/ar-BBQYovd?ocid=spartanntp

    It’s getting more and more clear that if Whites want to survive, we’ll need to create our own separate community: schools, comunity groups, advocacy groups, businesses, business groups etc. Corporate America is either of the Left or terrified of the Left. They will hammer any White that fights the narrative.

    We’re facing an organized foe. We can’t fight them as individuals.

    • Agree: Anonym
  56. Nathan says:

    I too remember the word problematic from all of that 20th century existentialism I read in high school. The word hasn’t really changed as a catch-all criticism for “systemic” problems, what has changed is that race has supplanted class/capitalism as the moral basis for leftists and progressives. The same arguments that where made against western capitalism are now made along racial lines. This gives the left the advantage of not being able to be proven wrong again. Racial differences are practically irreducable when compared to the easily verifiable results of trying different economic systems and seeing who comes out poor and who comes out rich.

    • Agree: Clyde
  57. @Tiny Duck

    “San Francisco’s hidden truth is out. That’s what community organizer Carol Mo calls the realization that Asian residents are being targeted for robberies, burglaries and intimidation by young black men.”

    https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/nevius/article/Dirty-secret-of-black-on-Asian-violence-is-out-3265760.php

    Guess that POC love only goes one way.

  58. @Tiny Duck

    That’s funny, Tiny. One doesn’t usually associate affirmative action with Asians. That’s like a crowdfund for Jeff Bezos so he can get roof done on one of his mansions.

  59. Neuday says:

    “Problematic” is just another word to shut down debate and thought. The Thought Police had such overwhelming success with “Racist” and “Anti-Semite” that they inevitably expanded the franchise.

  60. There are a lot of people I refer to as a problematic. They are constantly causing problems, like a machine designed for creating problems, the “Problematic.” “Try the new Problematic, $89.99, from Ronco!”

    • LOL: fish
  61. @Tyrion 2

    A fair synonym for problematic is: “Something that doe not fit The Approved Narrative. E.g., an actual fact.”

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
  62. Jim Given says:

    But the “problematic” nature of human existence, for the existentialists is GOOD – taking seriously one’s responsibility to find an adequate response, to the world-situation one lives in, makes one “authentic”.

    I think you are targeting the Post-Modern Continental “problematic”, meaning “thoughtful people like us have problems with this”. Similarly, the desire to make trouble about problematic circumstances causes one to “problematize” them; also good.

  63. In the old days the Commies would say “objectively counterrevolutionary”, now they say “problematic”.

    … and the beat goes on.

  64. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-restaurant-hiring-challenges-20181213-story.html

    “We overbuilt restaurants for the labor force we had,” said Rick Bayless, owner of Frontera Grill, Lena Brava and other celebrated eateries. “There’s just not enough people.”

    The number of full-service restaurants in Cook County jumped 12 percent between 2012 and 2016, to 4,074, and the number of employees working in them surged 20 percent, to more than 95,000 people, according to the most recent census data. Those numbers don’t capture the boom that continued in the years that followed or the 7.5 percent job growth that the National Restaurant Association predicts for Illinois over the next decade.

    Sam Toia, CEO of the Illinois Restaurant Association, blames toughened immigration policies for striking at “the backbone” of the hospitality industry, which historically has relied heavily on immigrants to staff kitchens. Immigrants, who make up 13 percent of the U.S. population, account for 31 percent of hotel workers and 22 percent of food service workers, according to a report last year by the Chicago Council on Global Affairs.

    Muh cheap labor

    Opportunities are so plentiful that some of Bayless’ help wanted ads get zero responses. This summer 60 to 70 percent of people didn’t show up for stage (pronounded “staaj”), an unpaid internship that is a training tradition at high-end restaurants, he said.

    Mastricola’s efforts to recruit workers from surrounding South Side neighborhoods, where unemployment is high, have run into numerous issues. One young man had to travel two hours by bus and train to get to work from his home on the Far South Side, which proved unsustainable. Others get off track because of childcare and other personal responsibilities.

    I tip my hat to the restaurant owner for actually making an attempt to employ workers from the underclass. At the same time, she was paying these people min. wage, and shouldn’t be surprised they don’t have transportation.

    Rick Bayless is launching a job training program, called The Culinary Core Institute, to teach basic prep work, knife skills and cooking techniques to 18- to 24-year-olds who have finished high school or chose not to finish. It will be housed in The Hatchery, a $34 million food and beverage incubator with space for some 100 startups, which opened this month in the East Garfield Park neighborhood on Chicago’s West Side.

    “Incubator” lol, this silicon envy needs to stop

  65. People utilize the word problematic too much. Maybe if they wouldn’t utilize it so much, it wouldn’t be so problematic. Maybe if they would just use other words, they wouldn’t have so many problems.

  66. My pick for least favorite PC word is “Community” or the plural “Communities”. Instead of saying gays, blacks, immigrants, etc. the word is inserted afterwards to try and soften the more direct implication. So rather than saying, “blacks believe Michael Brown was shot in the back”, we say something like “the black community is upset over another police shooting”. It makes racially conscience identity politics sound much more passive which implies that they are victims even when the opposite is true. Ironically, I don’t think I have ever heard the phrase “white community” ever used.

    • Agree: Rosie
    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
  67. When I started college in the mid-60s the campuses were awash in existentialism (Sartre, Kierkegaard etc., “we are condemned to be free” blah, blah, blah. No doubt this contributed to the unrest which would follow (and which has never really abated).

  68. I don’t really see how affirmative action benefits Asians at all.

    In college it is used against them. No college wants their student body to be predominantly Asian.

    In the workplace it really doesn’t benefit them because most employers would be happy to hire competent Asians anyway.

    Only the brainwashed Asians would be for it.

  69. Hey nonny says:

    I’ve seen the more confrontational “dangerous” used in a similar context as “problematic.” On LinkedIn a reasonable woman posted a study asserting there are fewer female accounting firm partners bc women are less likely to aspire to such zero-work/life- balance roles based on their stated and of course revealed preferences. Another woman posted a comment stating it was “dangerous” for the first woman to have posted that. So just as decades ago I saw a New Yorker cartoon where a character said “I think ‘gutsy’ became ‘ballsy’ in 1987,” perhaps we are moving toward “dangerous” becoming the new “problematic.” What is the implied danger and to whom does it apply, I wonder? Sounds like a personal threat.

  70. @Clyde

    clyde, Girl’s lacrosse doesn’t require the skill set that boy’s lacrosse does, but plenty of D I and D II scholarship money out there. Strange thing is the girls wear lacrosse goggles but no helmet.

  71. “Problematic” is, when seeking a desired outcome, the complex elements of reality doesn’t conform to a relatively simplistic reasoning or philosophy.

    The individual issuing the claim uses it as a shorthand to indicate that the problem is either too complicated for them to reason out, or too complicated for the reader. Or both.

    It’s an intellectual virtue signaling strategy which allows the issuer to maintain relatively high status in the essay or debate by condescending to the reader or opponent.

    It’s either, “you’re not that smart,” or “I’m not that smart, and neither are you. If you know how much you don’t know, you’ll concede so that we can move on like gentlemen.”

  72. problematic =

    Topic ramble.
    Polemic brat.
    Primate bloc.

    Tropic blame.
    Atop climber.

    Me tribal cop.
    Pot crime lab.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  73. @Buffalo Joe

    Strange thing is the girls wear lacrosse goggles but no helmet.

    Men seldom make passes
    At girls who wear glasses.
    –Dorothy Parker

    Men with hard toggles
    seldom make snoggles
    with girls who wear goggles–
    and that boggles.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    , @Rosie
  74. @Tiny Duck

    So basically they are siding with urban whites and minorities against rural and suburban whites. As a non-urban white I find that problematic.

  75. Anonym says:
    @Lot

    Existentialism as in… what is the point? A good question. The Selfish Gene offers a realistic perspective.

    Maybe the demographics of 1994 were such that non-whites being only 25% of the population could be safely ignored, but to me the “edginess” of caricaturing mostly functional white families as vapidly pointless can be seen for what it is now, just more anti-white (((propaganda))). Yes, it is a great song.

    Blacks walking around the neighborhood with underwear hanging out of jeans, Mexicans leaving the dusty barrio to mow lawns, Asians in the cram school, Jews obeying Talmud minutiae, or propagating PC minutiae in the case of the liberal… it’s all equally trivial in the face of a cataclysm. But what gets shown?

  76. @Anon

    When did the business owner’s happiness become the main concern of this country? I applaud small business people and entrepreneurs; indeed, I have been one myself. But every single one of these stories is laser focused on the owner being able to pay as low a wage as possible.

    If you pay your line cooks and waiters $15 an hour, they’ll find a way to get to work on time. If you offer $7.25, especially in Chicago, no one will show up.

    If $15 an hour makes the business untenable, don’t start that type of business. Start a business where you can train people to produce enough that you can pay them $15 an hour and make a good profit.

    God, reporters are just remarkably stupid. When an owner says, “We can’t get enough workers,” the reporter never – never – asks them to finish the sentence as in, “We can’t get enough workers . . . at this price.”

    The real story isn’t a lack of workers. It’s whether that business is sustainable if it paid wages that would attract good workers. If it’s not, let’s move on to businesses that can. It’s how we increase living standards and spur innovation/productivity. Having to pay higher wages due to not enough workers usually turns out to be a very good thing in the long run.

    • Agree: L Woods, GermanReader2
  77. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/09/san-franciscos-foodie-scene-suffers-as-its-workers-flee-high-cost-of-living

    Nick McEachin, used to be a restaurant manager in San Francisco. When the cost of living got too high, he moved to Martha’s Vineyard in Massachusetts. Photograph: The Guardian

    Lmao

    “The type of folks who you have gotten to know over the years – students, artists, cooks – can no longer afford to live in San Francisco.”
    With the median price for a San Francisco rental at $4,550, even hiking the minimum wage to $15 an hour and requiring health benefits, as San Francisco has done, hasn’t been enough to maintain a healthy heartbeat in the restaurant industry labor market.

    Anyone checked up on the rate of foreign property purchase in SF? Comparable to Vancouver BC?

  78. Anon[118] • Disclaimer says:

    http://stuartschneiderman.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-reality-of-transgenderism.html

    If a man insists he is a ‘woman’, others have to call him as he demands. His self-perception is the only truth. If you still see a man and not a woman and say as much, you are a thought criminal(or thought vigilante) who must be stopped.

    If a man insists he is not a ‘white supremacist’ but a ‘white advocate’ or ‘white liberationist’, others may still designate him as such according to their own perception of him. His self-definition doesn’t count. So, all the media can smear Jared Taylor as a ‘white supremacist’ even though he rejects the label.

    So, with the tranny business, the self has the final authority. We must all comply with the individual’s demand, which is backed by official PC.
    But with white identity, the self has no authority. A white person may be smeared as a supremacist even though he doesn’t regard himself as any such.

    In both cases, it’s matter of the Power.
    Since the Power is behind LGBTQXYZ, it promotes the ‘right’ of self-identification among homos, trannies, and the like. And the Power denies the right of independent perception among others. So, if straight people perceive trannies to still be male, they better shut up or be shut down.

    In contrast, since the Power hates the idea of white identity, independence, and individuality(liberated from ‘white guilt’), it denies the right of self-identification among white people. Even if whites identify as ‘white advocates’, the media and academia still get to call them ‘neo-nazi’ or ‘white-supremacist.’ Whites have no right of self-identification. They are named by others(like dogs are given names by the master) who are favored by the Power.

    The Power bestows the right of autonomous identification among homos and trannies.
    But whites are not to have autonomous identification. Their ideological affinity get to be decided by Others(who denounce white people as ‘white supremacist’ unless they cower before globohomo supremacism).

    The Glob accuses whites of ‘dog-whistling’, but the Power goes for all-out dog-beating when it comes to white identity. The Master gets to name the White Dog… and beat it up too when it doesn’t answer to its designated name.

  79. JackOH says:

    Problematic. Early and easier to drive optional tranny instead of three-on-the-tree and four-on-the-floor with clutch.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  80. @Gnome Sayin

    I don’t think asians care either way about defeating whitey. I think they just have a tendency towards conformism and are aligned to the anti-white power structure. First you get the power then you get the asians.

  81. Anon[118] • Disclaimer says:

    https://spectator.us/camille-paglia-hillary-trump/

    The opinionated Italians. Paglia as Pasolini of America?

    It seems the opinionated often prevails over the un-opinionated. Jews are more opinionated than wasps.

  82. Anon[118] • Disclaimer says:

    ibiology or ideology of biology

  83. Kyle says:

    I find Steve Sailers gripe over the word problematic to be troubling…

    • Replies: @Clyde
    , @newrouter
  84. The first noble truth has been translated as, “Life is pain,” but the Buddha might have just as well said “Life is problematic.”

    What chaps my ass is that so many of the people who use the word “problematic” do not accept the truth that this is part of life. They want to fix things, but they just keep fcuking things up.

    • Replies: @another fred
  85. Anon[297] • Disclaimer says:

    Don’t “oppressed”, “racist” “misogynistic”, “narcissistic”, “self-absorbed”, “Nazi”, “fascist”, “bigoted”, “selfish”, “troll”, mean the same?

    There is, then, that other one which tops the rest of ’em: “You feel superior”.
    You get this because they have their period right then; because the last 3 hunks they chased rejected them (or pumped and dumped them); because they didn’ t past the 2 last exams they attempted…really, because of anything — especially because they are being crossed by envy.

    So common people language requires interpretation, mounds of it, and forbearance, mountains of it.

  86. @Buffalo Joe

    clyde, Girl’s lacrosse doesn’t require the skill set that boy’s lacrosse does, but plenty of D I and D II scholarship money out there. Strange thing is the girls wear lacrosse goggles but no helmet.

    Boys’ lacrosse is about power and speed.
    Girls’ lacrosse is about control.

    So, it’s a lot like sex

  87. Anon87 says:

    Two words that people love to overuse these days; “problematic” (usually a SJW complaining about a movie, book, etc.) and “gaslighting” (was lefties, but now everyone can’t stop using it). When I see or hear these being used I now stop paying attention to whatever point is being made.

  88. @another fred

    OK, I just realized the contradiction in what I said. By the definition acceptable to leftists “problem” means there is a solution, i.e. it is fixable.

    Now I see the problem…

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  89. @Emblematic

    Like journalists use of the passive voice, all these bad neighborhoods suck not because of the people that live there, but because of unknowable historical accidents.

  90. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Ohs Tinys……

    Yo be nowin wuts Dey say Tinys. Once you hab teh yeller mans back dere yous wants nother ones a haf our laters.

    Lenderb “heh lenderp makes a funny” pits

    • Replies: @black sea
  91. OT: Perennial iSteve topic Jose Canseco claims Steve’s argument in favor of the efficacy of steroids, that twin brother Ozzie remained a skinny minor leaguer because he wasn’t using, is wrong. Ozzie was on the juice too! http://www.espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=5244705

    Say it ain’t so Ozzie!

  92. Jim Given says:

    I decided just to ask the Answer Man! Recourse to Goggle on “problematize” gave a Wikipedia article on “problematization”, connecting all the dots between “existentialists”; “Who? Whom?”; Postmodernism; and Michel Foucault. It explains why problematizing is so important to would-be SJW’s.

    Category: Words we learned to use in college.

  93. Clyde says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Problematic, no problem, says Reg Cæsar.

  94. BB753 says:

    To utter the word “problematic” is but a passive-aggressive way for lefties of putting an abrupt end to a conversation veering into “streng verboten” topics.

    • Agree: jim jones
  95. Thomas says:

    “There’s this narrative of Asian-Americans being targeted in the quest to bring more opportunity to black and Latino people,” she said. “I think that narrative is incredibly problematic.”

    Of Discovery, she said, “this is not crafted to exclude poor Asian kids.”

    That was the argument made by a previous generation of defendants in racial discrimination cases. In response, the courts crafted the doctrine of “disparate impact” saying, essentially, “it doesn’t matter what it was intended to do, evidence of disparate outcomes is prima facie evidence of discrimination.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disparate_impact

  96. Maus says:
    @Anon

    Hypocrisy! Using the same adverb — “rarely” — twice after denouncing adverbs with an appeal to authority. Howz ’bout usin’ “seldom” the second time round? Admit it, your generalizing grammar rant was platitudinous rather than pedagogical. Let a prolixity of verbal fireworks commence…

    • Replies: @Anon
  97. @Stephen Paul Foster

    Clarity is a strong ally of honesty and so must be vanquished.

  98. dearieme says:
    @Anon

    “Omit all adverbs; you’re not gonna need them.”

    Goodness me; is that why Americans misuse adjectives and nouns as adverbs?

  99. “Problematic” serves the rhetorical purpose of allowing the speaker to sound objective and disinterested (and academic) about something they’re personally quite interested in and offended by. It’s ultimately an ad hom masquerading as theoretical analysis.

  100. @Clyde

    I’m sure that scholarship money is part of it, but I’d argue that in my area – Northern Virginia – it’s more about keeping your daughter active in sports and surrounded by a good set of friends.

    Lacrosse is one of those sports where you have to play club to eventually make your high school varsity team. Club requires money, at least a couple of grand per season but it can go much higher. As a result, only upper-middle class and rich parents can afford it. Between school homework and club lacrosse (or a few other sports), your daughter won’t have much time for anything else. That means that her group of friends will likely be dominated by other club players. You guarantee that her friends will be other upper-middle class and rich girls who are dedicated enough to juggle school and club, i.e. reasonably decent kids.

    Club sports seems to be the modern country club. You’re buying your kids a community of the “right” kind of people.

    Btw, I’m sure that we’re creating a whole new generation of angry Jewish kids who due to their lack of athletic ability are being shut out of club sports. Expect a full-on assault against club sports in a generation or so. 😉

    • Replies: @JackOH
    , @Clyde
    , @Ibound1
  101. Also, the only people I ever see using “problematic” unironically are women – college educated, liberal, professional. It’s a rhetorical strategy they use to make it sound like they’re calm, cool and collected rather than outraged. You rarely see men use it, unless they’re gay, and you never see conservative women use it.

    “Problematic” is the liberal female’s way of distancing herself from the image of the teeth gnashing feminist.

  102. @another fred

    Yes, through replacement of the malfunctioning, or bigoted part with a woke part. Problematic and troubling are signals to social repair technicians that the bigoted parts have been identified, and should be replaced.

  103. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    So, being proudly white male is having blacks write the narrative and trannies take over culture.

  104. @JackOH

    I find discussion of “optional tranny package” distressing
    .

    • Replies: @JackOH
  105. bucky says:

    What’s sort of interesting, and sad, is seeing the divide between “FOB” Asians and assimilated Asians.

    The recent Chinese immigrants talk about it as it is. The assimilated Asians use words like “problematic” and are probably more PC than the native white population. This is because they do see themselves first and foremost as oppressed minorities due to the white/minority dichotomy that is American race relations.

  106. “Problematic” is used as a noun in philosophy to refer to the existence of a problem. It’s like how social justice types talk about “bodies” comes from Foucault, who had some justification for it. They love to take terms from academia but then use them in the ordinary fashion.

    • Replies: @Thea
  107. Rosie says:
    @Rosie

    From the link:

    To problematize a statement, for example, one asks simple questions:

    Who is making this statement?
    For whom is it intended?
    Why is this statement being made here, now?
    Whom does this statement benefit?
    Whom does it harm?(emphasis mine)

    Lol there you have it!

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  108. ‘Toxic’ has undergone a similar transetymization.

  109. Rosie says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Men seldom make passes
    At girls who wear glasses. –Dorothy Parker

    Men with hard toggles
    seldom make snoggles
    with girls who wear goggles–
    and that boggles.

    Girls who wear glasses and girls who wear goggles may not think we have much in common, but I suppose we’re pretty much the same as far as many menfolk are concerned. I guess we better have each other’s flanks.

  110. Jliw says:
    @Emblematic

    This is a neat idea, but I’ve seen just as many — more, in fact — uses of the word in reference to horrible and unforgivable sins such as whiteness.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  111. Clyde says:
    @Kyle

    I find Steve Sailers gripe over the word problematic to be troubling…
    Inappropriate and concerning. Though not necessarily in that order.

  112. @Savage Indifference

    The guy who came up with the concept of performativity was Jewish, needless to say. He used it in reference to masculinity. It began as his personal form of that strategy that spindly academic/intellectual men have of attacking more robust men by deconstructing their identities.

    • Replies: @Anon
  113. @El Dato

    I recently reread Paul Johnson’s Intellectuals, which has a chapter on Sartre. In addition to being a miserable human being, Sartre hasn’t held up well as a philosopher. Apparently he was a charismatic speaker, but when one reads his writing the illogic and inconsistency of his ideas is glaringly obvious.

    • Replies: @black sea
  114. @Tiny Duck

    Asians support affirmative action

    Awesome! I look forward to Tsinghua U, Tokyo U, Seoul U and the Indian Institute of Science reserving 15% of their spots for African students. Diversity is their strength!

    • Agree: GermanReader2
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  115. White nationalists like Steven Sailor are problematic and thus must be removed from the Internets.

  116. @El Dato

    I never understood Sartre. His stance seemed to be that a Man has Godlike Independence to Act of his Own Free Will (a ridiculous position) but still can’t because the universe is oppressive.

    Problematic developments in Germany from the webzine that Kerry warned you abouut:

    Germany introduces 3rd gender… but LGBT groups say it’s not enough

    German already had three genders. Do you mean a fourth has been added?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  117. @Clyde

    Lacrosse looks safer than soccer with its heading the ball etc.

    This. Soccer–heading the ball is just stupid. I see the Redmond girls out practicing sometimes and think, “this is some stupid nonsense”. Why are you letting your daughters do this? But then the boys do it, and they actually need their brains more.

    Lacrosse also uses the key physical adaptation of humans–our hands with opposable thumbs that can grab things and do all sorts of interesting stuff. Soccer–only the goalie gets to act like a human. The rest act like the last few million years of evolution passed them by.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  118. @Fred Boynton

    You are thinking of The Patty Wagon, 6042 Nicollet Avenue, Minneapolis. Because they sell burgers, they are allowed to use the term.

  119. anon[263] • Disclaimer says:

    “If it’s white supremacy you’re calling out you can relax and be free in your language.”

    Not quite. These Leftist mobs are pretty stupid, so they are prone to eating their own. There’s the case of that woman who flew to Africa a few years ago and Tweeted mid-flight that she didn’t have to worry about getting aids because she’s white; she was fired before the plane hit the ground because SJWs took offense. They assumed that because she’s white she was acting racist towards blacks. In reality, she was trying to social signal against whites – that she’s privileged because she’s a white and, therefore, didn’t have to worry about suffering like those poor oppressed black people in Africa. She meant the comment one way but was ruined nonetheless by mobs of left-wing morons. The truth is no defense in this age and any little slip up in front of these people could be the end of you.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  120. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:

    Off topic:

    Some invaders may want to return, turned off by feminism

    The reasons for that are many. Most Syrians in Germany have received only one-year renewable temporary protection documents, rather than full refugee status that paves the way for permanent residency. Gains by the anti-immigrant party AfD and shifting government policies are another source of concern.
    Syrians can also feel vulnerable within their homes, an unintended consequence of the way Western gender and parenting norms are presented in integration courses. Parents worry, for example, that authorities could take their children away if they use corporal punishment on them.

    He casts a sharp glance at two German teenage girls who greet Syrian male friends with a hug. “You know how important the honor of our girls is to us,” he continues. “Here, by the age of 14, it is gone. I brought my children to save them from bombs, but I don’t want them growing up here.”

    How many ethnic Germans could escape their mental prison and say this?

    https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2018/1210/No-haven-from-hardship-Why-some-Syrians-return-from-Europe

    • Replies: @L Woods
  121. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:

    A transnational corporation feels some multikult heartburn

    For the last two years, Amazon has quietly expanded its presence in the suburb, and worker resentment towards conditions there has grown with it, culminating in today’s protest outside fulfillment center MSP1—a sprawling 850,000-square-foot structure abutting a heavy industrial zone—attended by local activists and joined by Amazon workers ending their shifts. It ended with approximately 250 people marching on the building’s main entrance.

    When is the last time that 250 conservatives protested a corporation?

    Friday’s protest was intended to pressure Amazon to not only improve working conditions and allow for proper religious expression, but to create a fund that addresses racial disparities in the community and set up an independent review body for HR complaints.

    So, a slush fund and a union. And the eventual ruin of a First World country where almost none of these people are paying net income taxes due to their wage levels and higher fertility rates. Not to mention the subsidies normally given by the government whenever an Amazon facility opens.

    https://gizmodo.com/hundreds-march-on-amazon-fulfillment-center-in-minnesot-1831113246

  122. Coemgen says:

    God is dead! -Nietzsche
    Nietzsche is dead! -God

  123. @Emblematic

    The PC culture of always looking for offense…

    If it’s white supremacy you’re calling out…

    The “PC culture” itself is the only actual white supremacism in the land. The rest of us just want to go our own way.

    Hey, this band specializes in campaign theme songs:

  124. Lurker says:
    @Emblematic

    We also see “troubling” and “concerning” used in this way.

    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
  125. Redmond girls

    Do you live by Nintendo headquarters?

  126. @ben tillman

    German already had three genders. Do you mean a fourth has been added?

    German is in a worse situation than English. We confuse abuse the words sex and gender. They only have one word– Geschlecht. (It’s neuter, in case you were wondering. Das Geschlecht.)

    French distinguishes le sexe from le genre. Or used to, anyway. They’re adopting our style recently. It’s funny though, since genre is already associated with film snobbery.

    Europeans love to mock Americans. Then they copy our worst ideas– PC language, death metal, Disney parks, Jerry Lewis…

    • Replies: @Anon87
  127. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    A real problem

    http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=59507

    A real real problem

    http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=59519

    California as Latin American nation.

    http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=59557

    And why not? After all, in which America, north or south, were the oligarchs more powerful? In North America where population was mostly homogeneous and Protestant-dominant or in South America where population was diverse/mixed/Catholic? If oligarchs(or high-tech oligeeks) want to consolidate power, the Latin American model isn’t bad. Diversity will keep the masses bickering with one another while the oligarchs at the top got it all.

    Homogeneity = People Power. Why? Homogeneous are better at uniting to challenge and make demands on Elite Power. Also, if the people are all the same, the elites might feel come emotional connection to the masses. In contrast, bogus rhetoric about Diversity is just that. Rhetoric.

    Even for Negroes, their golden age of political and economic progress was during the Immigration Restriction Era. From 20s to 30s, despite Great Depression and WWII, many blacks gained factory jobs and made inroads into middle class. And with rising economic power, they exerted more political power, and it led to Civil Rights Movement. Inability to bring in masses of immigrants forced White America to hire blacks and address the racial problem.

    But with diversity, decadence, and degeneration, everything is so much bleaker today.

  128. @Coemgen

    “God is dead!” — Nietzsche

    “Nietzsche is dead!” — God

    “No, hold on a second, God — you’ve completely misunderstood me.” — Nietzsche

    “Well, actually, being an all-knowing God and all, I’m rather inclined to think it’s YOU who’s misunderstood ME.” — God

    “Just hear me out, God. For like five minutes.” –Nietzsche

    “Fair enough. Just don’t take too long; I’ve got a lot of smiting to do.” — God

    “It’s like this. I said, God is dead!, right? But of course, by definition, God is immortal, or else You wouldn’t be God, right? There’s no way, philosophically speaking, that I, Nietzsche, a mortal and contingent being, could logically pronounce death upon an immortal and non-contingent Being, right?” — Nietzsche

    “Okay. Like a judge on ‘Law and Order: SUV Victims Unit,’ I want to see where this is going.” — God

    “Fine, so follow me here. When I say, God is dead!, I’m really just saying something about the time difference between something humans have begun to suspect — namely, that your almost obstinate refusal to be Present in the consciousness of Your Own bloody Creations, has begun to set up a nagging problem amongst said Creations. …AND the time-lag when these Creations begin to take this notion to heart, having been given precious few other options by You. It’s a little like Kafka’s parable of the Emperor and the Messenger. You know that one, right?” — Nietzsche

    “Well actually, I’ve been so pre-occupied being pissed off at YOUR presumptuousness, I haven’t even gotten round to Kafaka yet. Still, go on.” — God

    “Well take my word, You’re in for a treat with that guy. Meantime the point is, When I say “God is dead!”, I literally can’t actually mean that You’re dead, I mean something about perception and the human relation to the absolute, and the interaction between those things, and what that means for us humans, both epistemologically and ontologically. Got it, God?” — Nietzsche

    “Christ Almighty, you’re even worse than Me.” — God

  129. @Coemgen

    God is dead! -Nietzsche
    Nietzsche is dead! -God

    I used to sell that T-shirt. And bought one for my brother. It was a hit at his Bible study.

    This one is also to-the-point:

  130. dfordoom says: • Website

    Perhaps we should be using the word more. Affirmative action is…problematic. Abortion is…problematic. Homosexual propaganda in schools is…problematic. Mass immigration is…problematic. Green energy is…problematic.

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
  131. @Lurker

    And both are also related to ‘needing a conversation’

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  132. I am fairly sure that the current use derives directly, via an odd path, from the existentialist use that Steve describes.
    This is odd in a way. There is a lecture series in one of the “commercial” college DVD series by Robert Solomon on Existentialism where he describes it as “the philosophy of no excuses”. Of course, today, most who use the term “problematic” adhere to a philosophy of nothing but excuses…

    I was thinking I might say more, but I think it would require a long somewhat speculative essay.

  133. JackOH says:
    @Neil Templeton

    Neil, you’re right, LOL! Who’d have known the language of 1960s Popular Mechanics was subversive code for 2010s kinky rumpy-pumpy? Disturbing and prob—aw-w-w never mind!:)

  134. black sea says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Probably the most amusing portrait in Johnson’s Intellectuals is that of the publisher Victor Gollancz, who suffered from an obsessive fear that his penis was retreating into his abdominal cavity, or disappearing all together.

    Gollancz– who preferred an almost entirely female staff (more loyal and could be paid less) — would periodically check the condition of his penis while alone in his office, imagining that the frosted glass windows separating him from the desks of his employees would sufficiently obscure this activity.

    Eventually, the ladies had to explain to him that this was not the case, and request that he cease this behavior, as it was inappropriate to the workplace, problematic in the workplace, or just plain not OK.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @PiltdownMan
  135. @AnotherDad

    Ban Ki-Moon is always for Migration (The UN-Compact a “major achievement…”, Angela Merkel an angel (If memory is doing well, he really said that….)) – and he says so all the time – – – – – as long as he is not at home, in South Korea, that is.

  136. Just be thankful “problematize” hasn’t widely caught on as a verb yet. Coming soon from a sociology department near you!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  137. El Dato says:

    Problematic elections to the European Parliament (the sinecure stuffing hall) upcoming:

    (The emblem of the parliament reads “PEPE” till 1983, which is a bit jarring)

    EU leaders urge swift action against disinformation ‘to secure fair European elections’
    Published time: 14 Dec, 2018 12:36

    European Union leaders have called for measures to tackle the deliberate spread of disinformation ahead of elections to the European Parliament. In a statement from their summit in Brussels on Friday, they called for “swift and decisive action” aimed at “securing free and fair European and national elections.” The leaders also ordered EU ministers to report back on progress in March, AP reports. The statement said that the threat “is an acute and strategic challenge for our democratic systems.” Elections to the European Parliament will be held across Europe in late May.

    Expect “Russians” to fuel “populism”, “anti-semitism”, “islamophobia” and “racism”.

  138. I have never heard the term problematic used as substitute for an emotion. In my understanding problematic means difficult, or complex.

    The common substitute for “angry”or irritation was “disturbed” or “disturbing”

    Some thing that is problematic could be disturbing. One might say,

    “Under the circumstances, I find it disturbing.”

    “Trying to unravel Affirmative Action out of the machinations of white people who are the primary beneficiaries is problematic and some people might find that reality disturbing.”

    “It’s disturbing that whites think AA is a program that benefits blacks. And it problematic to explain why and how asians, hispanics, those who choose same sex behavior and white women, along with a host of disabled are the primary receivers of the program. ”

    “It is disturbing that so many people in US leadership positions, favor stealing from citizens to give to foreigners.”

    It is not problematic for the US security to build that wall. And the it disturbing that the president is stalling the matter.”

    In my experience the term,

    “problematic” was to an issue, condition or circumstance.

    “disturbed or disturbing” was to an emotion.

  139. JackOH says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Actually, if you look at the rosters of elite-level sports teams, there’s a decent percentage of Jewish-origin kids. Especially in baseball and hockey.

    • Replies: @Anon
  140. @AnotherGuessModel

    My memory of 1974 is that “to problematize” was seen as something to be proud of.

    • Replies: @JackOH
  141. JackOH says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve, I didn’t write comment #135 above. It shouldn’t form part of my commenting history. How can I or you delete it?

  142. “Did the Word “Problematic” Always Mean I’m Angry But I Can’t Give a Logical Reason Why?”

    That’s women for ya.

  143. Anon[643] • Disclaimer says:

    Greatest theological statement of all time. LOL too.

    Nature of Satan according to a Christian Hindu. “Yeah, he’s stupid.”

  144. Clyde says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Club sports seems to be the modern country club. You’re buying your kids a community of the “right” kind of people.

    Thanks for laying that all out. I have heard about club sports before but I think it was baseball. So Lacrosse has it too. I know my zip code cannot have so many schoolboy-schoolgirl lacrosse players. The players and their families must have come here from nearby counties. There were 10 games on at the same time. The weekend soccer and baseball players must have told to skip this week…… It was all and only lacrosse on the athletic field

  145. Anon[246] • Disclaimer says:
    @Maus

    Hypocrisy! Using the same adverb — “rarely” — twice after denouncing adverbs with an appeal to authority.

    Touché!

  146. Clyde says:
    @AnotherDad

    I played soccer when young. It was fun to play but it is beyond me how it can be a spectator sport. It is so dull and low scoring. Ice hockey is low scoring but I liked watching it in person, for the skating abilities demonstrated and its fall into winter season.

  147. Thea says:
    @Nosferatu Zodd

    Foucault can be blamed for many current messes.

  148. Anon87 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Lay off death metal! Euros have done a great job with it. Sweden in particular.

    Now if you want to pick on something, take rap, which was awful to begin with. Add in Europeans trying to copy ghetto tough-guy posturing…..cringeworthy.

  149. @eddy wobegon

    Truer words were never spoken, nor a more important and obvious fact ever so obscured and overlooked.

    This is the hardest burden out of all of this SJW BS. Individual people who have overcome great obstacles with real personal sacrifice and struggle get labeled as “privileged” and “undeserving” just because of random physical traits, and are forced to watch their just rewards going to others.

    Anyone who has ever been forced into a group project knows the score on how unfairly the work and the rewards get distributed. Now we are adding (actual) insult to injury: not only do some people have to do most of the work while someone else gets the credit, but now they have to believe it’s all their own fault because they’re such terrible people.

    Wow. This is sort of like beating your dog for waiting to go outside to pee. How long will it take for the dog to start peeing in the house, and how are you going to retrain him once you realize your error? And who is going to clean up the mess?

  150. Deckin says:
    @Ron C

    Another one, though this one is not necessarily only in the mouths of the woke:

    ‘Call bullshit on____’ . When said by anyone under the age of 40 this is taken to be a knockdown argument against the existence/plausibility of that upon which it’s been called. When evidence or argument is requested, the result is usually a blank stare.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  151. L Woods says:
    @Anon

    He casts a sharp glance at two German teenage girls who greet Syrian male friends with a hug.

    A “hug.” Lol. They “greet” them with more than that. I don’t blame the invaders one iota for resisting assimilation. I only wish I could.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  152. Ibound1 says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    The swim team serves the same purpose as well. Only a very serious type joins the swim team and it keeps your child busy with good kids, in practices, very early in the morning and on the weekend. But you are wrong about one thing: Jewish kids are very heavily involved in swimming, tennis, lacrosse and soccer. It’s the Asian kids who are not, at least not yet anyway.

  153. @Rosie

    It comes from German Marxists: problematisieren.

    Just more blah-blah-blah.

  154. “There’s this narrative of Asian-Americans being targeted in the quest to bring more opportunity to black and Latino people,” she said. “I think that narrative is incredibly problematic.”

    The leftist professor speaks the truth here.

    Two non-racial admission rules are proposed that would raise black and Hispanic admission, with indifference as to which groups they displace. There are only two other big groups, whites and Asians, which makes “targeting” a question of whether the rules would lower the number of Asians proportionally more than the number of whites.

    One proposal is to increase the low-income quota, which is if anything anti-white: there are more low-income Asians and they tend to outperform equally poor whites. The other proposal is admit the upper 7 percent from every elementary school. This has a mixture of effects in both directions and is not a clear win for either group over the other. If the opponents had an analysis showing that Asians lose the most ground, they would have revealed it.

    The exam schools have powerful support but the SHSAT’s days are numbered, because there is no obvious reason for NYC to run a Mensa with taxpayer money.

    • Replies: @academic gossip
  155. Pat Boyle says:

    There are two types of problem you can have with your car’s transmission. My Volkswagen Beetle was problemstick. My Toyota Supra was problematic.

    • Replies: @Anonym
  156. J1234 says:

    “Problematic”

    That’s what I used to call the transmission in my ’63 Olds, though I guess it would more correctly be spelled Probla-Matic.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  157. @al gore rhythms

    And both are also related to ‘needing a conversation’

    Which, translated into truth, means “You need a monologue from me.”

  158. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @JackOH

    Wasn’t that back in the 1930s and 40s?

  159. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @black sea

    He hired young women to entice men into his shop to buy his Marxist propaganda Same principle as young attractive waitresses and barmaids.

  160. @Anon

    Nonsense. Tolkien wrote “suddenly” some four hundred times in The Lord of the Rings, because it is about the best (perhaps the only) word to convey just what it does when used properly.

    As Maus writes, adverbs, like so many things in writing, are only extraneous when employed badly by bad writers.

  161. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron C

    With one exception, UC admissions Prop 209 has been completely ignored.

  162. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde

    I hope the intellectuals never learn it’s based on a Canadian Indian game. It will be banned because of cultural appropriation.

  163. @Rosie

    At least the grammar is good.

    • LOL: Rosie
  164. Curle says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Lacrosse balls make for good eye injuries.

  165. And yet, when employed in US corporations, I found that there were not problems, especially in HR. The only word permitted was “issue” which seemed meaningless at the time to a British ear. I will issue you a uniform or a pass.

  166. @Steve in Greensboro

    “But don’t worry. We know how well blacks and Latins get along. Just look at Compton.”

    Won’t be long before you can say the same for Lumberton. BTW, that new 58 IQ Shurf of yours is off to a great start as well as that miserable front-holer mayortrix you’ve got that wants every GPD officer to be a psychiatrist, pharmacist and medical drug testing lab tech.

  167. @Prof. Woland

    Sure, and whenever they refer to your local HIV cluster they call it the “gay community.”

  168. They don’t know what ‘problematic’ means either, but they know it when they see it.

  169. @Bitfu

    ‘Ostensibly’ is pretty distinct from ‘apparently’, because it has the implication that what is stated is not necessarily true (and by extension/emphasis, referring to something as being ostensibly the case invites the inference that it’s actually false).

    So referring to some asserted argument using ostensibl[e|y], is only slightly-less pejorative than using ‘putative[ly]’ (i.e., accepted by supposition rather than as a result of proof).

    Apparently, getting into arguments about fine gradations of meaning is a thing nowadays. Signifier/signified and all that semiotic shit.

    I get it: as I showed a few days ago, it riles me when people use ‘oblong’ when they mean ‘oval’ (in 2D or in cross-section)… but that’s actually, not ostensibly, a misuse of the word oblong.

    I also think that taking umbrage at ‘problematic‘ is kinda silly. I tend to say that X is ‘problematic‘ when what I mean is “I’m pretty sure that X is bullshit, but making that case would divert from the main argument“.

    The Leftist-interventionist assertion that the ‘responsibility-to-protect’ (R2P) doctrine has a legitimate basis in international law, is at best problematic. An uncontroversial reading of the law would hold that R2P military action is a crime against peace.

    • Replies: @Dube
  170. @Deckin

    It’s perfectly OK to call bullshit on a thing, so long as it’s followed up with a coherent argument as to why it’s bullshit.

    You[1] can’t just call bullshit and declare victory: people who try to get away with that are easy meat.

    [1] “You” doesn’t mean you personally. In the last year or so I have become far too sensitive to the need to make that clear, and I dislike using ‘one’ instead because it sounds totally faggy.

  171. Miss Universe Spain contestant Angela Ponce is transgendered: problematic or not?

    https://abc13.com/society/miss-spain-first-transgender-contestant-for-miss-universe-/4912081/

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Autochthon
  172. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @KunioKun

    We should have improv “blame whitey” competitions to see who can come up with the most original and credible ways to blame Whites for a given problem.

    Maybe it’s time to do away with ‘whites’. It’s been said there is no comparable meaning for ‘whiteness’ in Europe because the main identity is national-cultural than racial. So, one is Russia, Pole, Hungarian, or Czech, not ‘white’.

    In contrast, we speak of ‘white Americans’ because various white groups became ‘white Americans’.
    But that overlooks a key point. Most European ethnic immigrants didn’t just become ‘whites’ but Anglo-Americanized. (No Anglo, no America.) They learned English, which became their main language. They were taught mainly English literature and history. They were made to respect Anglo founders of America and Anglo frontiers of the West. So, ethnic Europeans didn’t just become ‘white’. They became Anglo-ized in the way that Macedonians became Hellenized.

    So, ‘anglo’ is the key. So, what should ethnic non-Anglo whites be called? If Americans of Anglo origin are Anglo-Americans, the proper term for Anglo-ized ethnic Europeans should be Anglo-European-Americans, or just Anglo-Europeans for short(because where else does one find so many non-Anglo whites who became adapted to Anglo language, culture, and values?

    White America isn’t just about whiteness. After all, if America had been settled by Russians and if other whites arrived and became Russianized, it would be a White America but very different from an Anglo-America. There are parts of Latin America that are very white, but Latin-European-White-America is different from Anglo-European-White-America. Many non-Latino Europeans, esp Germans, went to Latin America, learned Spanish(or Portugese), and adopted many Latin attitudes(while keeping some of their own).

    Anglo was the glue, or Anglue that made it possible for various whites to become Americans. With the commonly shared Anglo language, culture, theme, and historical narrative, the various white ethnic groups could not have come together.

    When we talk of white peoples(Latino and non-Latino), we stress the cultural element. We don’t just call them ‘white’ or ‘blanco’ but identify them culturally as Latino. (Ridiculously, this is applied even to Indios whose identity in Americas goes back 15,000 yrs or longer.)
    But when we talk of whites in America, they are just ‘white’ with hardly any mention of the crucial Angl0 Factor. We overlook the fact that various ethnic Europeans in America came together as a people ONLY BECAUSE of the Anglue. It’s almost as if ‘Anglo’ is a dirty word. Whiteness associated with Latin-ness is worthy of pride, but most people act as if Anglo-ness has no crucial factor in the rise of America.

    So, maybe it’s time to dispense with notion of ‘white Americans’ and speak of two groups of whites who are Anglo-Americans and Anglo-Europeans(or Anglo-European-Americans). When Greeks, Poles, Italians, and Russians came to the US, they didn’t just become ‘white Americans’. They adopted the norms and ways of Anglo-Americanism. So, even though they couldn’t be Anglo in blood, they became Anglo in outlook and spirit. Thus, their identity became Anglo + European(one of the many nations), and that means it’s proper to call them Anglo-European.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  173. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe Stalin

    Miss Universe Spain contestant Angela Ponce is transgendered: problematic or not?

    When Pedro Almodovar becomes the most celebrated film-maker of the nation, whaddya expect?

  174. @Joe Stalin

    !Claro, el evento esta en Bangkok!

  175. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Song For the Deaf

    The guy who came up with the concept of performativity was Jewish, needless to say. He used it in reference to masculinity. It began as his personal form of that strategy that spindly academic/intellectual men have of attacking more robust men by deconstructing their identities.

    What would have happened if the Jewish Zealots had come up with a universal faith? Something like Islam would have emerged from the Jewish community. History could have been very different.

    Under Roman Occupation, Jews had three ways of coping.

    1. Assimilation. If you can’t beat em, join em, especially as serving the empire could be lucrative. And many Jews did this.

    2. Resistance. Arm and fight to the end. Be warriors and use bloody guerrilla tactics. Zealots did this.

    3. Counter-conquer the Romans with prophecy. Mind over matter. Romans have great military might, but Jews might conquer Roman minds with greater feats of cosmological vision. This became the early Christians.

    Assimilation is easy and profitable, but it means losing your pride and identity before the Romans. It could also mean attacks by Zealots who don’t tolerate traitors.

    Resistance conserves identity, culture, and pride. But there’s no way a small band of Jewish Zealots are going to prevail over the Romans, the mightiest military force the world has ever seen.

    Now, Assimilation and Resistance are old as history itself. But the third option, the use of awesome prophetic power to conquer the imagination of your conquerors, is a near-impossible task. Also, even if successful, it is as much a tragedy as a triumph of the Jewish imagination. Sure, the Roman pagans can be made to worship a God of Jewish origin, but if the Universal Faith is the true faith, it means it can condemn Judaism. So, rise of Christianity was the greatest triumph and tragedy for Jews.

    Jews in the 19th and 20th centuries were faced with similar questions. Do they just assimilate(and even convert to Christianity)? Do they resist in the name of Jewish identity and pride? Or do they come up with new prophecies to turn the world upside down again? Granted, things got muddled along the way. Many Jews who assimilated nevertheless stuck to their tribal guns. And Zionism, a form of Jewish national resistance, actually gained the backing of the great empires of UK, US, and USSR. And one wonders if modern Jewish prophecies have been in earnest or tools(consciously or subconsciously) to better protect and serve Jewish identity and interests.
    The early Christians(who were all Jews) seemed sincere in their desire to move away from tribalism and found a new faith that would unify mankind with a new vision. Maybe Marx and early Jewish communists were too, but one wonders about many Jewish leftists in the West in the 20th century. Did they abandon Jewishness to take up universalism, or were they using universalism as a smoke screen to further their Jewish interests? For example, many Jews talk of Americanism as Proposition in an almost prophetic way. It’s as if all of humanity should look toward a better future where all the world will be America and America will be all the world. All nations will be blessed with Americanism, and America, as a proposition, will fill up with all the world, and etc. A kind of neo-messianism. (And there is Homomania.) But are Jews who push this proposition sincere in their convictions? Or is it all just a chimera for fools so that Jews can consolidate their globalist aims further? After all, if Jewish globalists really prophesy such a future, why do they cling to Zionism and Israel? It seems like today’s Jews are trying to have all three options. Assimilate into goy nations, resist to the extent of maintaining Jewish identity and support for Israel, and calling on all nations to adopt globo-homo-Americanism as the new messianic vision. Jews are bound to be neurotic because their identity is premised on both separatism & uniqueness AND globo-integration & universalism. One side of Jewishness pulls away from goyim, another part of Jewishness penetrates into goyim. Jews bewail ‘antisemitism’ of goyim not welcoming Jews, but Jews also fear being welcomed because Jews may lose their ways and just become assimilated into goy kindness. Jews want goyim to love Jews but also want Jews to hate goyim. If Jews loved goyim like goyim love Jews, Jewish minority will be swallowed into larger goy community. So, even as Jews tell goyim that it’s a moral duty to love Jews, they tell Jews to be paranoid and hateful toward the goy majority of whatever nation. So, Jews demand that Wasps say ‘we love Jews’ but also demand that Jews say ‘we hate Wasps’. If Wasps and other Americans love Jews, and if Jews love them back, Jews will just assimilate into goy-ness. So, the Jewish way must be “don’t punch me but let me punch you.” We see this with so many Jews like Jennifer Rubin and William Kristol. They demand that whites love, love, and love Jews, but they spend most of their time berating whites for all sorts of reasons.

    Anyway, there’s the stereotype that Jews aren’t very athletic. If we apply this factoid to the Ancient World, it means Jews had a decent chance with assimilation under the Roman Empire. Or, even though far more difficult, they had a chance with prophesy: conquer Roman minds spiritually.
    But since Jews were gimps, Zealots didn’t have a chance. Jews weren’t built to be warriors. But is this true? Vietnamese are a small people, but they became fearsome warriors in the 20th century. Also, I’m thinking Ancient Jews, many of them, worked at stuff like carpentering, like Jesus did. They weren’t all accountants or college professors or bookies. But the problem was there was no way a limited bunch of Jewish warriors could defeat the Romans.

    But what if a Jesus-like or Paul-like figure was militant than pacifist? What if he came up with a militant universal prophecy? Instead of promoting love and forgiveness as the highest virtue of humanity, he preached fighting spirit and warrior creed? This Zealot-universalism could have won over tons of converts among non-Jews also living under Roman Rule. Zealots on their own had no chance, but what if Zealotry could have been a universal faith and spread like wildfire? What if all converts were told that, in death in war against Romans, they will go to Heaven and have eternal life.
    Now, the Zealots, being ultra-conservative, weren’t going to universalize their faith to recruit warriors among heathens. By its very nature, militancy tends to be conservative. In contrast, pacifism tends to be liberal, and this was why Christianity that reached out beyond the Jewish community was about peace and love.

    But as Muhammad showed, militancy could become the basis of a universal faith, and that is why Islam exploded on the scene. The effect was like universalized zealotry. (And the frightening Taiping Rebellion also resulted from fusing militancy with messianism, though ironically inspired by Christianity.)

    Maybe if Zealots could have produced a messianic figure who came up with an idea to convert and recruit non-Jews in the war against Rome, the empire would have collapsed in due time. While the Romans were mighty, there is nothing more frightening than religious fanatics who are willing to sacrifice their own lives in the name of God. It was one reason why communism took over parts of Europe, Asia, Latin America, and Africa but failed to make inroads into the Muslim World. Look what Indonesian Muslims did to communists. And the USSR lost its first war in Afghanistan.

    But in a way, communism was the updated version of modern Jewish Zealots mixing messianism with militancy. And this was played out as fantasy in SPARTACUS, novel by Jewish Howard Fast and produced by Jewish Kirk Douglas. Though SPARTACUS is about a goy slave rebellion against Romans, the gladiator-rebels are like fantasy-Zealots. The difference is that while Zealots were staunch Jews who only fought together for a Jewish cause, Spartacus arrives at a higher vision, the unity of all slaves against the Empire. It is like a What-If fantasy of ‘what if the Zealots hadn’t been so ‘parochial’ and had reached out all peoples enslaved by the Romans. Then, the Jews need not have fought and died alone but led a huge army of slaves against the slavers. And this was the theme of communism. Modern Jewish prophets would lead all of mankind under a new vision to liberate them all against the system of greed and exploitation.

    Spartacus becomes the kind of messiah that the Zealots might have produced if they’d turned their passions into a universal vision. Jesus and Jewish Christians did spiritually conquer the Romans, but in doing so, they passed the Jewish spiritual secret to the Gentiles who used it to grow more powerful and beat up Jews(as Christ-killers). But if Zealots had produced a warrior messiah with a universal vision of justice, the Jew-led rebellion might have physically, as well as spiritually, smashed the Roman Empire. And then, history would have been so very different.

    Spartacus himself failed, but then, his cause was simply that of justice. He lacked spiritual vision. In contrast, Muhammad who fused universal spiritual vision with militancy achieved some of the most awesome feats in history.

    But as of now, Jews don’t need to lead any rebellion because, with their control of Deep State and much else, they have control of the Imperial Military to go around the world and crush or encircle whatever Jews don’t like.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    , @Anonymous
  176. Anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jliw

    In these changing times, Whiteness is particularly problematic.

  177. Anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    “Anglo was the glue, or Anglue that made it possible for various whites to become Americans.”

    Looking forward to your explanation of ‘angina.’

    • Replies: @Anon
  178. @J1234

    That’s what I used to call the transmission in my ’63 Olds, though I guess it would more correctly be spelled Probla-Matic.

    Automatic transmission designers should abide by the maxim “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” Yet designers in Detroit would keep tinkering with perfectly stable, trouble free automatic transmission designs every few years and replace them with problematic designs. It really became the luck of the draw whether you got a model year with a good design or a lousy, balky, one.

  179. Anonym says:
    @Pat Boyle

    Oh keep talkin’, oh keep talking!

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
  180. @black sea

    Probably the most amusing portrait in Johnson’s Intellectuals is that of the publisher Victor Gollancz, who suffered from an obsessive fear that his penis was retreating into his abdominal cavity, or disappearing all together.

    Victor Gollancz must have been West African or Congolese.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-witchcraft/penis-theft-panic-hits-city-idUSN2319603620080423

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koro_(medicine)

    http://tinyurl.com/y84o4ku7

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/1274235.stm

  181. Dube says:
    @Kratoklastes

    It would be a loss to drop the neutral, cognitive sense of “problematic,” as “constituting…a problem” (Concise OED), in order to express instead an emotively disapproving attitude, in the sense that Sailer is noting.

    So while I admire your clarifications I beg you not to conflate “X is bullshit” with, say, “X is difficult.” But surely you see that.

    My own umbrage could arise from observing someone foisting expressed attitude as if it were a cognitive report.

  182. Anon[347] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Looking forward to your explanation of ‘angina.’

    Wasp wench with a ‘pussy hat’.

  183. @academic gossip

    Suspicion confirmed. Diversity program is worse for whites than Asians, but discrimination lawsuit pushes it as “targeting Asians”.

    http://www.chalkbeat.org/posts/ny/2018/08/14/discovery-program-data-shsat/
    http://pacificlegal.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Complaint-filed-3-1552-1.pdf

    1. The Discovery Program has more than 4 times as many Asians as whites, which is higher than at Stuyvesant. It has far fewer whites (14%) than any of the NYC specialized high schools.

    2. The new eligibility rule that is the subject of the lawsuit will increase this disparity. Schools eligible have to score high on a scale that includes fraction of students who have English as a second language and entered the school system recently, i.e., immigrants. The other poverty and disadvantage requirements probably will further increase the proportion of eligible Asians compared to whites.

  184. @Anonym

    I had no idea that song and dance were so bad.

    • Replies: @Anonym
  185. vinteuil says:
    @Anon

    This is priss at the top of his game.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  186. Anonym says:
    @stillCARealist

    I had no idea that song and dance were so bad.

    Compared to what? In the domain of musicals? Surely everyone knows this song… but in musicals with dancing one should expect lots of gays as a default, with plenty of camp. If there is a Gene Kelly-esque straight he is the exception not the rule.

  187. black sea says:
    @fish

    I just wanted to express my appreciation for these. I’d miss them if you didn’t spin them out.

  188. @vinteuil

    One of the few longform commenters I read through to the end. Priss, TLSR.

  189. Anonymous[196] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    There are also these incidents where SJWs use the ‘n-word’ in academic or theoretical contexts and get lynched as racists.

  190. Anonymous[196] • Disclaimer says:
    @L Woods

    I remember a Chinese girl who freaked out when I tried to kiss her on the cheek. There was nothing sexual about it, just a polite greeting. Cultural differences.

  191. Anonymous[196] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    3. Counter-conquer the Romans with prophecy. Mind over matter. Romans have great military might, but Jews might conquer Roman minds with greater feats of cosmological vision. This became the early Christians.

    Some of the Nazi theorists argued something similar, IIRC. That Christianity was the ‘Communism’ of its day–a way of mobilising the slaves and subject peoples of the empire to overthrow the state.

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