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Commenter Thomas writes:

It’s actually possible that the Germans really do suck at internal security and antiterrorism. It’s hard not to remember the 1972 Munich Olympics, and how badly the Boches botched that incident, and its aftermath (they cut a deal with the Black September terrorists afterwards to let the surviving gunmen go in exchange for a fake hostage-taking). They formed a reasonably good counterterrorist unit after that (GSG9) that at least had the ability to chase and shoot people and free hostages, and were able to at least keep Communist-inspired terrorism sufficiently under control to avoid it causing a problem for NATO, but I don’t think they ever really made deep changes to their policies to keep foreign bad guys from operating in the country pretty much at will. Keep in mind that the core group of the 9/11 hijackers were based in Hamburg from the late 1990s until 2001.

I get a feeling that Germany has been sliding in this century into kind of a “Potemkin society” in a lot of ways, with high-level mismanagement, scandals and corruption that just sort of gets glossed over and allowed to fester until it blows up (e.g., the VW emissions scandal; several rounds of Siemens getting caught greasing palms in foreign countries; and Deutsche Bank in serious, possibly fatal, financial trouble as of this year after being rocked by continual losses, penalties, and scandals, including a $7 billion settlement with the US Justice Department over malfeasance in the 2008 crash announced just today). I wouldn’t be surprised if it comes out in the next few years that the EU has been, in no small part, a vehicle for Germany, its banks and industry, to basically cover up a lot of bad decisions and losses.

Merkel’s Boner in 2015 was based in part on the idea that being seen as nice to refugees and diverse was a good cover for German Economic Hegemony. But if Germany turns out to be not quite the economic powerhouse it thinks it is …

Okay well I’m gonna take a little time off now after posingt 11 new blog items in one day to, like, buy Christmas presents for my loved ones. But I’ll try to approve comments. We’re headed for about 195,000 comments for 2016, which is an extraordinary total. Thanks! It we get 200,000 comments and 10 million page views, even better!

Merry Christmas.

 
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  1. Sounds about right, though it is an economic powerhouse in spite of all the problems.

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    • Replies: @Realist
    "Sounds about right, though it is an economic powerhouse in spite of all the problems."

    Not for long.
    , @27 year old
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  2. Wencil says:

    Steve, I do a great deal of business in heavy manufacturing and I can tell you German manufacturing prowess is very real. They make the best capital equipment and sustain many very high wage manufacturing jobs. German manufacturing workers do a great job they work very hard and they get paid very well for it. I admire the German manufacturing sector tremendously. That being said, their government may be terrible,

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  3. eah says:

    It’s actually possible that the Germans really do suck at internal security and antiterrorism.

    Try not paying the GEZ — see if they notice.

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    • Replies: @theo the kraut
    eah is referring to the German fee collection service for public broadcasting institutions. Presently we have to pay 17,50 € per month for big brother's agitprop, whether you actually own a TV set/radio/internet access or not. If you don't pay you go to jail, no joking, it's easier to stay outside if you rape or slay someone ...if you got a migrant bonus.

    don't bother, just for specialists:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beitragsservice_von_ARD,_ZDF_und_Deutschlandradio

  4. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    I dunno. Munich was embarrassing, but the targets were Israelis. Similarly, the 9/11 targets were in the US. Until Merkel’s Boner, maybe anti-terrorism wasn’t a priority for Germany.

    Or maybe they look at France and see it has lots of anti-terror capabilities and still gets hit (Britain has done better; Ed West credits MI5).

    German manufacturers still dominate. The VW scandal was the German response to cognitive dissonance (Americans love diesel but want to be told fairy tales about diesel emissions).

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    • Replies: @Dieter Kief

    VW scandal = fairy tale?!
     
    This would be the most expensive fairy-tale ever.


    PS
    I still haven't got this - what was the big thing about the VW scandal? Not the diesel emissions. Because they for sure aren't higher than those of other cars, by other manufacturers.
    To put it very simple: What damge has been done at all. Maybe to some competitors - that could be. But on what quantitative basis - do we talk about - maybe a few thousand VW diesel cars, that would not have been bought, if the customers would have known, that those cars have slightly higher emissions?!
    , @Vinay
    " The VW scandal was the German response to cognitive dissonance"

    Regardless of the ethics, the VW scandal was a colossal management failure which exposed the company to staggering losses for dubious gains. Since the topic is German organizational competence, the VW scandal is exactly the kind of thing which calls German competence into question.
    , @kaganovitch
    "I dunno. Munich was embarrassing, but the targets were Israelis. Similarly, the 9/11 targets were in the US. Until Merkel’s Boner, maybe anti-terrorism wasn’t a priority for Germany."


    I remember reading in the memoirs of one of the Israeli generals how shocked they were by German military/security incompetence in '72 (especially during the rescue assault). He wrote something along the lines of "We were expecting WW2 Germans and we got WW 1 Italians instead". It's also true that the German security services did not exactly distinguish themselves in the Baader-Meinhof matter, where the victims were primarily German. In their partial defense though, there was an astonishing amount of sympathy for Baader-Meinhof in substantial segments of German society. The 1970's were truly insane.

    , @Jack D
    Americans don't love diesels - they think of them as noisy and smokey and smelly. Modern diesels aren't anything like that but they do give off invisible NOx unless you take special (read expensive) measures (urea injection) which economy car buyers don't like to pay for. The only reason the American public loved VW diesels (and VW was the only mfr to sell a lot of diesel cars in the US) is because VW lied to them about how clean and green they were and how they didn't have to deal with a urea tank.

    We tend to think of Germans as being honest people but they also have their devious and secretive side. Wealthy Germans love to hide their money under webs of offshore corporations and trusts so complex that no one can unravel them. The Holocaust was pulled off under such a veil of secrecy that there are people who deny that it happened to this very day. It's really amazing that VW was able to maintain such secrecy about their diesel fraud for so long. In an American company, some disloyal employee would have ratted them out years earlier.
    , @utu
    Germany's Grenzschutz did very well in Mogadishu.

    The Berlin attack should be more worrisome as it may indicate that German police or special forces got infiltrated by the same characters who organize similar happenings and real events in other parts of the world, meaning that Germany's sovereignty was compromised.

    Germany is still doing the best it can under the duress. It was not Germany that participated in war on Libya or war on Syria. It was not Germany that cut UN funding to refugees camps in Turkey and Jordan. It was not Germany that printed maps and invitations to Germany for refugees. It was not Germany that provided money to smugglers to bring refugees to Greece. It was not Germany that organized refugees in marching columns of young single men?

    Yes, it was Merkel on the faithful night in September 2015 in cooperation with Austria made the announcement of letting people in but what was her other option? I see her action as the Aikido move to take away the force form the aggressor. She deflected the blow which possible intention was to create crisis in Europe and give total support to American coalition to bomb Syria and also to torpedo Obama's agreement with Iran. Merkel diffused the crisis and gave Putin few extra weeks to move to Syria.
    , @dfordoom

    Or maybe they look at France and see it has lots of anti-terror capabilities and still gets hit (Britain has done better; Ed West credits MI5).
     
    Maybe the Germans aren't real comfortable with the idea of having a really effective security police. They did have one once and it got kind of a bad name.
  5. Realist says:
    @reiner Tor
    Sounds about right, though it is an economic powerhouse in spite of all the problems.

    “Sounds about right, though it is an economic powerhouse in spite of all the problems.”

    Not for long.

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  6. 5371 says:

    [the VW emissions scandal; several rounds of Siemens getting caught greasing palms in foreign countries; and Deutsche Bank in serious, possibly fatal, financial trouble as of this year after being rocked by continual losses, penalties, and scandals, including a $7 billion settlement with the US Justice Department over malfeasance in the 2008 crash announced just today]

    All the things you mention are actually robbery under law by the US Justice Department. They know they can get away with anything against foreign companies, and do.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Fraud and robbery are very different crimes. The first is for large amounts of money and punished lightly. The second for small amounts of money and punished harshly.
    , @Pericles
    The US Justice Department is good at milking the foreigners.
  7. @eah
    It’s actually possible that the Germans really do suck at internal security and antiterrorism.

    Try not paying the GEZ -- see if they notice.

    eah is referring to the German fee collection service for public broadcasting institutions. Presently we have to pay 17,50 € per month for big brother’s agitprop, whether you actually own a TV set/radio/internet access or not. If you don’t pay you go to jail, no joking, it’s easier to stay outside if you rape or slay someone …if you got a migrant bonus.

    don’t bother, just for specialists:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beitragsservice_von_ARD,_ZDF_und_Deutschlandradio

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    • Replies: @Thomas
    Collecting the taxes is the one thing you can usually count on a government to accomplish, if nothing else.
    , @Thomas Fuller
    Same in the UK. Failure to pay the BBC their annual protection-money lands a householder with a criminal record – provided he's gullible enough (a) not to have denied their enforcement goons implied right of access to his property, and (b), above all, to own and gawp at a TV set in the first place.

    The EU turns a blind eye to the fact that the BBC are breaking EU law, in that they thus deny British citizens free access to information. The BBC's pro-EU bias has nothing to do with this, of course, nor the fact that the EU funnels money to them directly.

    I sometimes listen to the news on BBC Radio 4, strictly for the entertainment value, turning everything I hear on its head in order to get an idea of what's really going on. Trump is still giving them the heebie-jeebies. What joy it was when Hillary conceded! You could cut the Radio 4 glumness with a knife.
    , @Jack D
    This was the solution to Anis Amri's Catch-22 - they could neither detain nor deport him because he had no documents so they should have just jailed him for failing to pay his GEZ. They got Al Capone for income tax evasion, not for murdering people.
  8. Thomas says:
    @theo the kraut
    eah is referring to the German fee collection service for public broadcasting institutions. Presently we have to pay 17,50 € per month for big brother's agitprop, whether you actually own a TV set/radio/internet access or not. If you don't pay you go to jail, no joking, it's easier to stay outside if you rape or slay someone ...if you got a migrant bonus.

    don't bother, just for specialists:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beitragsservice_von_ARD,_ZDF_und_Deutschlandradio

    Collecting the taxes is the one thing you can usually count on a government to accomplish, if nothing else.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Actually, only competent governments are good at it. Currency value is largely a function of tax collection.
    , @Bill Jones
    Lincoln laid out just where collecting taxes stood in terms of priorities in his first Inaugaral Address. (The one they didn't teach you at school)

    Slavery:

    "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."
    No problem, how benign

    However


    Collecting Taxes

    "The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the Government and to collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion, no using of force against or among the people anywhere."

    Invasion, Using of force against the people

  9. Lot says:

    All of these are minor problems compared to Germany’s immigration and birth rates.

    German banks have lost a whole lot of money to be sure, but that is mostly because German companies and consumers do not want to borrow, so they have to lend abroad without knowing what they are getting into.

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    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    I disagree concerning the birth-rates. If you look at Japan - where's the collapse?
    , @Anonymous European
    The low birth rate is why they think they need immigrants in the first place.

    Another German failure is the new Berlin-Brandenburg airport that was completely finished but failed the very last checks spectacularly.

    My take from doing business with and working with Germans is that they follow their checklists that more checks have been completed. Nobody really cares if these checks are valuable.

    EDIT: Usually post as Fredrik but logging in from elsewhere.

    , @Beckow
    Germans don't borrow enough, it is a cultural thing. But it might not be that smart. In a debt and credit driven economy, the ones refusing to borrow will eventually be the ones paying for the un-payable loans. We have had a few years of hard-ass, austerity, pay-your-debts-or-else rule, but it is coming to an end because it has never been sustainable.

    Rational behavior needs to account for context - if credit is easy, not using it is not rational, it is self-defeating. Because the message in easy credit is that nobody expects that it will all be paid back (we don't have slave labor any more). I am not criticizing the Germans, but they might end up paying for the others whether they like it or not.

    When in Rome, do as Romans do - you are paying for it anyway.

    , @Yak-15
    Lending to unworthy borrowers is shamefully stupid. They need to stop seeing themselves as a growth industry and more of a utility. Lay back and collect the easy money. Stick out your neck and it gets cut off.
  10. “It’s actually possible that the Germans really do suck at internal security and antiterrorism.”
    I do not think that it is possible to prevent terrorism in general, so being good or bad does´t matter. When somebody decides to drive a truck into people and tells nobody about it before, what shall you do?
    Of course there is good way to prevent specifically muslim terrorism (which is the most important terrorism today), which is not letting muslims in a country.

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  11. Tarrou says:

    I suspect that a culture of decrying militarism and PC uber alles doesn’t lead to military competence. To paraphrase Breitbart, competence is downstream from culture.

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  12. @Dave Pinsen
    I dunno. Munich was embarrassing, but the targets were Israelis. Similarly, the 9/11 targets were in the US. Until Merkel's Boner, maybe anti-terrorism wasn't a priority for Germany.

    Or maybe they look at France and see it has lots of anti-terror capabilities and still gets hit (Britain has done better; Ed West credits MI5).

    German manufacturers still dominate. The VW scandal was the German response to cognitive dissonance (Americans love diesel but want to be told fairy tales about diesel emissions).

    VW scandal = fairy tale?!

    This would be the most expensive fairy-tale ever.

    PS
    I still haven’t got this – what was the big thing about the VW scandal? Not the diesel emissions. Because they for sure aren’t higher than those of other cars, by other manufacturers.
    To put it very simple: What damge has been done at all. Maybe to some competitors – that could be. But on what quantitative basis – do we talk about – maybe a few thousand VW diesel cars, that would not have been bought, if the customers would have known, that those cars have slightly higher emissions?!

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    • Replies: @David
    I agree. The real scandal is that the EPA in the States wasn't actually testing the emissions of cars. They were (and likely still are) collecting data from a car's own sensors and passing judgement on that.

    I wish my professors just asked me what my grade was rather than going to the trouble to grade me themselves. Actually, I don't wish that.

    The EPA skated through what should have been a heads-rolling clearance of petrified and useless bureaucracy by over-hyping VW's failures.
    , @SFG
    The Germans get really nervous when people accuse them of dumping poison gas onto people. Don't ask me why.
  13. @Lot
    All of these are minor problems compared to Germany's immigration and birth rates.

    German banks have lost a whole lot of money to be sure, but that is mostly because German companies and consumers do not want to borrow, so they have to lend abroad without knowing what they are getting into.

    I disagree concerning the birth-rates. If you look at Japan – where’s the collapse?

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    • Replies: @Anon
    We need a birth rate collapse. The idea of ever increasing populations as an economic engine is stupid.

    Broski
    , @J.M.
    Yeah, because collapsing birthrates and an aged population in a hostile region with titanic neighbours hellbent on your destruction or vassalage is so good. Japan's economy will continue shrinking, so will its military readiness. Unless a miracle happens, Japan by the end of this century will be a Chinese satellite or a cluster of radioactive debris floating on the Pacific.

    I can't understand the obsession of many in these forums to escape reality.

  14. Lot says:

    Obama planned to let pass a UN resolution calling all Israeli settlements illegal. Trump called up Egypt, the sponsor of the resolution, and got them to withdraw it.

    He will be the strongest friend of Israel of any US president.

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/middle-east/idUSKBN14B033?il=0

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    • Replies: @5371
    It wasn't withdrawn for long! The Security Council has passed it with the US abstaining. Imagine that!
    , @iffen
    He will be the strongest friend of Israel of any US president.

    Whaaaatttt? The MSM said he was a Nazi. Something doesn't add up.
  15. @ Steve Sailer

    I’m really glad to read that you have money left for christmas-presents.

    Good God. Good readers too! – Merry Christmas!

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  16. Merkel’s Boner was a disastrous decision, but the decision to shut down the nuclear power plants and put a lot of money in solar power was even more bizarre given how rarely Germany (and western Europe generally) sees the sun.
    I expect Merkel, a physics PhD and a former quantum chemistry researcher, understands this energy stuff really well.
    I think Merkel is just a populist, doing what she thinks most germans want at that moment. If the people start demanding antiterrorist measures she will do that in a heartbeat.
    BTW many military observers were critical of german military performance in Afghanistan and the Bundeswehr is seriously underfunded to the extent that vehicle combat readiness is below 50%.

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "I expect Merkel, a physics PhD and a former quantum chemistry researcher, understands this energy stuff really well."

    Not necessarily. A PhD in quantum chemistry itself does not mean that she knows much about nuclear engineering, photovoltaics, power distribution, or the engineering and economics of the energy sector in general. She wouldn't have encountered any of that in her field of study or research. She probably has the smarts to understand it, but it still requires some dedicated study, and she has perhaps not put that in. Politicians have other demands on their time.

    Presumably she would have the smarts and good judgement to select the right experts and evaluate their arguments. But then, presumably she would also have the smarts and good judgement to know that inviting in about a million angry young men who have no skills and big chips on their shoulders would be a bad idea. And she evidently does not have those.
    , @peterike

    I think Merkel is just a populist, doing what she thinks most germans want at that moment.
     
    If by "populist" you mean "barren, psychotic shrew deeply engaged in the destruction of her own people and nation," then yeah, I agree with that.
    , @Thomas
    The Bundeswehr might have been one of the strongest three militaries in the world as late as the 1980s, when it had half a million members, and was probably pound-for-pound the strongest. (Unsurprising, given that West Germany was expected to become the front line of World War III any day.) Now it's not considered a reliable partner by anyone in NATO. More than half its aircraft are also non-deployable.

    Heckler & Koch, which is basically Germany's national armory for small arms, had a reputation from at least the 1980s or so on for making badass, ultra-reliable guns for "operators." Their MP-5 submachinegun was the go-to weapon for SWAT teams and special operations forces all over the world after it was spotted being used by British SAS commandos in a hostage rescue in 1980. Fast forward to this century, they've increasingly become known for making flashy, overpriced, and increasingly unreliable crud they can leverage their former reputation to sell on government contracts or to "mall ninja" civilians in the US. Their futuristic G36 assault rifle, which was adopted as the general issue rifle by the Bundeswehr and a lot of law enforcement agencies in other countries, was proven in Afghanistan to be underengineered and to overheat and become inaccurate with sustained firing, and is being phased out after less than 20 years of service.
    , @utu
    "the extent that vehicle combat readiness is below 50%"

    In 1938 during Austria Anschluss most of Wehrmacht vehicles broke down (Allan Bullock in "Hitler")
    , @Bill Jones
    " the Bundeswehr is seriously underfunded to the extent that vehicle combat readiness is below 50%"

    Under funded for what?

    What is their purpose?

    They plainly could prevent the current invasion but refuse to do so, so what are we left with?

    So the purpose of the Bundeswehr is not to defend Germany but to be tools as needed for the US's aggressions .

    , @Pericles
    "the decision to shut down the nuclear power plants and put a lot of money in solar power was even more bizarre"

    Well, there are two mitigating factors: First, there is a Europe-wide power trading scheme, so the Germans can, for example, buy Swedish nuclear and hydro power if the sun is not out that day. Second, Gerhard Schröder, I believe, got Germany started on huffing Russian gas.
  17. TheBoom says:

    Last year I got to know a German who was in their equivalent of the FBI. He didn’t think Muslims were a problem and felt terrorism wasn’t a big deal because more people died from other things. I am not surprised that they botched this after meeting him.

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    • Replies: @NOTA
    Terrorism really is a small problem in terms of number of fatalities. And I may be missing something, but I'm not sure what counterterrorism policies would have helped Germany in the last few years--their problems seem to be related to immigration and EU-wide open borders.
    , @carol
    Face it, it's just not cool to admit there's a security problem, because that implies fear. Which is uncool.
    , @International Jew
    He's right, you're more likely to die of old age, than be killed by a terrorist.
    , @krautman
    As a German, I happen not to know anyone working for our FBI equivalent, so it's interesting -- and depressing -- to hear about his perspective from you.

    As to the overarching topic, well, there's a lot of ruin in a country, so there is still quite a bit of competence and decency left in my country, in the lower and middle echelons, and even in the higher ones outside politics and education. But our ruling class and our public intellectuals are mostly a desaster, and in good German style they do their best to be a more thorough desaster than their counterparts in most other Western countries.

    So it's not quite Potemkin yet, but the rot is real and we're well on our way to that destination.
    , @Esso
    Those kind of people deserve a good stepping on their foot. The pain involved is nothing compared to everyday toe-stubbing, so shouldn't he be more upset about all the tables and sofas lurking about in his house?

    If Germany was a single person, he would downplay all physical insults and evade confrontation with stuff like "That's nothing, I hurt my elbow last week and it was a lot worse. Not to mention the horrible diarrhea I had a while ago. I'm ok, please don't hit me anymore."
  18. ggg says: • Website

    Why do you people want inmigrants to assimilate to western pop culture when you people find the very same culture to be sick?

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Why do you people want inmigrants to assimilate to western pop culture when you people find the very same culture to be sick?"

    Why? Because we don't, and your characterization is wrong.

    For myself, I don't want immigrants to assimilate. I want them to not be immigrants - i.e., to not come here.
    , @Desiderius

    Why do you people want inmigrants to assimilate to western pop culture when you people find the very same culture to be sick?
     
    (a) We don't, if we can get them to assimilate to western civilizational norms instead. Maybe then they can talk our clueless ruling class into it.

    (b) Failing that, an invading army with the flu will likely do less damage than a healthy one
    , @melendwyr
    Who wants anybody to assimilate to 'western pop culture'? Pretty much everyone here wants the mainstream culture to be replaced - the disagreements arise over what to replace it with and how.
    , @MBlanc46
    I don't them to assimilate. I want them to not be here.
    , @dfordoom

    Why do you people want inmigrants to assimilate to western pop culture when you people find the very same culture to be sick?
     
    I don't. I dislike the idea of assimilation intensely. It makes everybody the same - equally alienated, equally bland, equally degenerate, equally soulless. I admire those immigrants who refuse to assimilate. I understand why they despise the West and I agree with them.

    Of course I also believe that it would be better for the immigrants to stay in their own countries. Better for everyone, including the immigrants, in the long term.
  19. We’re headed for about 195,000 comments for 2016, which is an extraordinary total. Thanks!

    Merry Christmas, Steve, to you and your family. And to all ye commenters!

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  20. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Interesting post.
    A few points to make in reply.

    It should never be forgotten that *the* defining charactetistic of post 1945 west, at least, German life is post-Hitler guilt. Plus the ignominy of being a loser nation. A big time loser infact. The biggest loser in the history of creation – and considering the destruction it wrought, a nation that got off remarkably lightly from retributitative punishment.

    Also we must allow the Germans, until recently a wholly German nation, the blue eyed naivety of not fully understanding the wiles and ways of duskier folk who don’t play the game by German rules.
    On the question of German industry, Germany is very good at what Germany does. Don’t let anyone fool you otherwise. Also, this meme that somehow the EU and that thoroughly misbegotten, missold misjudged and disastrous push to European monetary union is a German racket, is a deliberate misinterpretation of the facts. Monetary union has been a disaster for Germany and a fraud and lie upon the German people, who will inevitably be forced to pay for other peoples debts contrary to political promises. The idea that the Euro is a device to boost German exports at other nations expense is economically illiterate.
    Germans, generally, were and are very pro EU. This is the post-Hitler guilt thing all over again. Making amends to a Europe you destroyed, and trying to submerge the old identity into something new.

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    • Replies: @Formerly CARealist
    This is the Theodore Dalrymple argument.
    , @Jack D
    How many Mercedes does Daimler sell in Greece if it is 1 mark = 1 million drachmas?

    The idea that the EU is good for German exporters and bad for German taxpayers is not inconsistent. It's called socializing the losses and privatizing the profits. It works the same as in the US.
    , @Thomas

    Also we must allow the Germans, until recently a wholly German nation, the blue eyed naivety of not fully understanding the wiles and ways of duskier folk who don’t play the game by German rules.
     
    That's hard to accept from the country that gave us the term and the concept "Realpolitik." Though it's possible that that was only a brief period under one particular Chancellor (it certainly didn't last after he was sacked). Maybe the post-1945 fall really was too steep.

    Here's an interesting question: did the reconfiguration of Germany after 1945 (the cession of territory and then the division into East and West) lead to this mass cultural psychological problem with the Germans, by splitting up German states with different histories and approaches to the world? I associate the stronger, harder, and more realistic German approaches to politics with Prussia (the Hohenzollerns and Bismarck) but Prussia was destroyed by the end of WWII (most of it became part of Poland and the rest was trapped under Communism for 40 years).
  21. Heck, look at WWII for examples of the contradiction of German excellence and incompetence. Going to war against Russia without a heavy bomber. Allowing Hitler to run the country, then failing to execute an assassination. The encirclement of its army at Stalingrad.

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Yes, the Germans' conduct of the war (war being something they were known for being especially good at) belies the idea that they are supremely competent. They are certainly, as a people, of above average competence, among the most competent in the world, even But even that couldn't save them from their own hubris.

    It's a lesson that the Untited States would do well to learn by example before we are taught by experience.
    , @dfordoom

    Heck, look at WWII for examples of the contradiction of German excellence and incompetence. Going to war against Russia without a heavy bomber.
     
    Their tanks were pretty much a joke as well when they ran up against T-34s. In fact their tanks were a joke when they went up against Matildas and the French Char B1 in 1940. Added to which their tanks were ludicrously unsuitable for operations in Russia.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    The guys fighting the Wehrmacht, Waffen SS, Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine didn't think that they were up against incompetents. And the German merchant marine pulled off several near-miraculous evacuations from Sicily and the Baltic. The WWII German war effort can generally be summed up as tactical and operational brilliance marred by incompetent strategic and grand strategic thinking.
  22. Mr. Blank says:

    Merry Christmas, Steve!

    One thing I know about the Germans: They can’t half-ass anything. It’s not in their nature. It’s full tilt boogie or nothing with them.

    Because of that, I’ve long been scared/excited/curious about what happens next with them. France is one thing, but if Islamist nut jobs want to keep poking Germany with a stick, well… Let’s just say I would not expect a good outcome for the Islamists, though it should be thoroughly awesome and entertaining for everybody watching from the sidelines.

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    They also can't half-ass cucking, which is what they are into right now. But I've long suspected that of the Swedes, too. Is it not possible that after succumbing to the craziest multiculturalist suicide cult, the Swedes might go full Nazi quickly? If I were an immigrant in Sweden, I'd never trust the Swedes, similarly to how I wouldn't trust anyone who would give me all his wealth: such a guy must be crazy, and I wouldn't trust anyone so crazy. (To be honest, I wouldn't take advantage of such mental illness, but that's just me, and might depend on the circumstances.)

    By the way, I also wouldn't trust fanatically anti-Israel Jews. Trusting pro-Israel Jews, people like Professor Gottfried, seems easier, because I don't suspect mental illness in their case.
  23. Have ethnic Germans contributed to pop culture? Any comics, talk show hosts, rock musicians, TV or movie actors? Have German Jews been just as successful as Eastern European and Russian Jews in the Arts?

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    Hollywood has always had a large contingent of Germans, both Jewish and not. Most often behind the camera (Billy Wilder, Ernst Lubitsch) but sometimes on screen (Peter Lorre, Marlene Dietrich)

    https://www.german-way.com/history-and-culture/germany/cinema-in-germany/germans-in-hollywood/
    , @reiner Tor
    German thrash metal was good in its heyday, as well as Rammstein. A number of German TV shows were successful in Hungary (I don't know about other countries) like Derrick (crime show) and Black Forest Clinic (a show about a hospital in the 80s I think). The Western stories of Karl May and the (East German) TV shows and movies made from them were popular as well in the 80s and, as far as I know, May's books and the comic books made from them are still popular among portions of the youth.
    , @Larry, San Francisco
    Weimar culture was very creative in both the arts, film and music. It had a large Jewish component of course and many of most creative non-Jews fled from Hitler with their Jewish (also true of some scientists). Leni Rifenstahl was probably the most talented artist who stayed (did not work out for her in the long-run though). After the war the culture took a pretty big hit. I saw a lot of Herzog and other German movies and boy they don't brighten up your day. However, the Germans did produce some good synth rock music. I was a big fan of Bauhaus & Kraftwerk in my youth. Interesting comparison to France. A snobby French friend of mine looked away embarrassed when I asked him about French Rock
    , @ScarletNumber
    Sprockets
  24. Venator says:

    That’s one of the perks of having a homogeneous society, an outbred, high-trust, categorical-imperative-type society: you don’t need much internal security. Society polices itself. Compare the Ochrana to any Western European internal police of the same time.

    Now, if you impose on society a totalitarian ideology alien to its character, you will need a strong internal police even in a homogeneous society. Thus, Gestapo and Stasi.

    Today, of course, we have both: an evermore heterogeneous society and a softly creeping liberal totalitarianism.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator

    Today, of course, we have both: an evermore heterogeneous society and a softly creeping liberal totalitarianism.
     
    We have an evermore LOW-TRUST heterogeneous society...
  25. Further in Boches botches, there was this summer’s Turk-Persian-Arab mashup Munich mall shooting, where 2300(!) assault gun-toting German officers could do nothing to apprehend one 18 year old shooter armed with a pistol.

    The only insult the murderer suffered was a civilian taunting him and hurling a beer bottle at him. The murderer wandered for half a mile then shot himself because the “authorities” sure weren’t going to. They did eventually get around to arresting the civilian who taunted and threw the bottle though, IIRC, so the deployment wasn’t a total loss.

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  26. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Thomas
    Collecting the taxes is the one thing you can usually count on a government to accomplish, if nothing else.

    Actually, only competent governments are good at it. Currency value is largely a function of tax collection.

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  27. FN says:

    Indeed there have been a number of spectacular political failures and displays of incompetence in recent years (the Berlin airport scandal perhaps being the most stunning). What is particularly depressing about these is that there have been virtually no consequences for those responsible. That is new and very dangerous. Germans were used to at least reasonably good governance and limited political corruption. They are now getting used to Mediterranean standards.

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    • Replies: @NOTA
    There are spectacular failures and patches of banana-republic showing through the successful first-world country in the US and UK and France, too. This makes me wonder whether we are really having more of these failures, or whether they've just become more visible.
    , @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Having followed the Berlin Airport saga up close, while living in Berlin & Brandenburg my sense was that this kind experience is by now par for the course. So many other examples of the failure to dream and execute big left were so disappointing that made it clear that Germans weren't living up to their great potential. Germany is plagued by the same kind of paralysis and sclerosis for example as manifested in the same kind of NIMBYistic community activism Yanks will be familiar with that reflexively resists any and all change. Tyler Cowen and others are right probably about all the developed economies, secular stagnation and "Average is Over." By now the failure of common sense is manifested in a paralysis by dogmatic adherence to legalistic notions of "civil rights" and "rule of law." When it becomes impossible to manage a society and community for the majority based on commonly agreed norms because everything has to be codified exactly and conform to explicit rules means things break down when things transpire outside the expectations of the rule-makers or especially when free-riders try to take advantage and game the system conforming to the letter of the law while violating its spirit.
  28. @Mr. Blank
    Merry Christmas, Steve!

    One thing I know about the Germans: They can't half-ass anything. It's not in their nature. It's full tilt boogie or nothing with them.

    Because of that, I've long been scared/excited/curious about what happens next with them. France is one thing, but if Islamist nut jobs want to keep poking Germany with a stick, well... Let's just say I would not expect a good outcome for the Islamists, though it should be thoroughly awesome and entertaining for everybody watching from the sidelines.

    They also can’t half-ass cucking, which is what they are into right now. But I’ve long suspected that of the Swedes, too. Is it not possible that after succumbing to the craziest multiculturalist suicide cult, the Swedes might go full Nazi quickly? If I were an immigrant in Sweden, I’d never trust the Swedes, similarly to how I wouldn’t trust anyone who would give me all his wealth: such a guy must be crazy, and I wouldn’t trust anyone so crazy. (To be honest, I wouldn’t take advantage of such mental illness, but that’s just me, and might depend on the circumstances.)

    By the way, I also wouldn’t trust fanatically anti-Israel Jews. Trusting pro-Israel Jews, people like Professor Gottfried, seems easier, because I don’t suspect mental illness in their case.

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  29. Vinay says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    I dunno. Munich was embarrassing, but the targets were Israelis. Similarly, the 9/11 targets were in the US. Until Merkel's Boner, maybe anti-terrorism wasn't a priority for Germany.

    Or maybe they look at France and see it has lots of anti-terror capabilities and still gets hit (Britain has done better; Ed West credits MI5).

    German manufacturers still dominate. The VW scandal was the German response to cognitive dissonance (Americans love diesel but want to be told fairy tales about diesel emissions).

    ” The VW scandal was the German response to cognitive dissonance”

    Regardless of the ethics, the VW scandal was a colossal management failure which exposed the company to staggering losses for dubious gains. Since the topic is German organizational competence, the VW scandal is exactly the kind of thing which calls German competence into question.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Could it be the result of declines in social trust and cooperation wrought by immigration?
    , @PV van der Byl
    Vinay, the problem at VW wasn't really "management" or "competence" (they aren't lacking there) but rather "governance." By that, I mean, the problems lie at the very top and with the founder's descendants, particularly Ferdinand Piech.

    It's not as though a whole bunch of VW middle managers were playing games, unsupervised.

    The deception involving the diesel exhaust pollution tests didn't bubble up from the middle or lower ranks of management. Nor was it some crazy idea of the guys in the US subsidiary.

    Rather, it came from the CEO Ferdinand Piech, himself.

    The heavily unequal voting rights given to the special class of shares held by the family trust gave that one man control over the company. And, as his voting rights were vastly in excess of his actual economic interest, the enjoyment he got from exercising organizational power was much greater than his concern about maximizing his wealth.

    Admittedly, there is probably something genuinely psychopathic about Piech.

    That's obviously bad.

    But, solving that problem is not as difficult as it would be to clean up the entire managerial class in Germany.
  30. dearieme says:

    Merry Christmas, Mr iSteve.

    On Christmas presents: I recommend bottles of Madeira. Most people seem to be unfamiliar with it, yet the wines are (in my experience) always somewhere between pleasant and lovely. Moreover they keep indefinitely after the bottle is opened, so if people like an aperitif or digestif only occasionally, they suit very well.

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  31. Dan Hayes says:

    Mr. Blank:

    Regarding Prof Gottfried – he has always been very measured in his pro-Israel proclivities. BTW, for what it’s worth I hold Gottfried in my highest regard, as I do for Prof Kevin MacDonald.

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  32. […] suggests Germany is now run by a collection of thumbless boobs. As someone on Sailer’s site noted, this is not a new thing. Germany has been operating like a drunk on holiday for quite some time. […]

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  33. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    In future decades, the fear that Germany was going to “take over the world” will sound bizarre. It only had a population of about 80 million back then (same as now) and couldn’t possibly have pulled off such a feat. Even with advanced technology and great soldiers, the world was just too big.

    It is true Great Britain ruled much of the world with an even smaller population. But to be blunt, they were mainly ruling over non-Whites. Britain had long ago proven incapable of ruling America, for example.

    So, whatever German leaders, or our fevered propagandists may have imagined, Germany would never have had the manpower to rule all of Europe, Russia and North America. Just think about it.

    I have a feeling future generations may view the charge that we had to fight WWII so we wouldn’t have to speak German as in the same category as Saddam’s WMDs.

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    • Replies: @jhz
    So did the Holocaust happen or not?
    , @Steve Richter

    I have a feeling future generations may view the charge that we had to fight WWII so we wouldn’t have to speak German as in the same category as Saddam’s WMDs.
     
    heck, a convincing case can be made that Germany, as a threat to its neighbors, was defeated in December 1941, when the Russians halted the German advance on Moscow and started to retake territory.
    , @Sam Haysom
    No one claimed that Germany was going to take over the world- even the most ambitious of Grossraum thinkers.

    The corollary to lebensraum was the idea that with lebensraum you could support a lot more Germans. What about 200 million Germans could they have taken over the world- probally not but the whole point was that there would be a lot more Germans in the world.
    , @Jack D
    I don't know what the German's long term plans were for the rest of the world but as for Russia the long term plan was to exterminate the Slavs and replace them with Germans. They had no compunction about killing millions of Slavs because these were people who were going to be written out of history anyway. As soon as they were done running the Jews thru their death factories they were ready to move on to the next race slated for elimination.

    With unlimited Lebensraum and fascist ideology, maybe Hitler could have gotten German birth rates up to the kind of birth rates we see in the Moslem world so 80 million Germans could have become 560 million. The population of Saudi Arabia has increased sevenfold since 1960.

    The US was (barely) able to endure a Cold War with a bunch of people who like to drink bath lotion. Who knows whether we could have stood up to 500 million Nazis?
    , @Opinionator
    So, whatever German leaders, or our fevered propagandists may have imagined, Germany would never have had the manpower to rule all of Europe, Russia and North America. Just think about it.

    Nor did it have the desire to.
    , @CrunchybutRealistCon
    The thing about 1930s Germany is that there were 20-30% communists & Trotskyite socialists who either kept silent or were intimidated into compliance with the Nazis. Presumably many could simply reassert their old allegiances by 1960 which would explain the current pockets of the country which have succumbed to leftist corruption and dysfunction. It would also explain the current presence of suicidal Loons like many Green party members & even Merkel. Have long felt that Germany prospered post-war cause it had a solid 40-45% of centrist citizens who were smart, engineering/science oriented, and hard working. The other 60% were happy to go along amicably (initially for practical reasons).

    What may have poisoned them is some of the excesses of the deNazification teachings in 1945-50 and the 'mainstream' cultural programming ever since. It is commendable to warn of the perils of dictatorship, conquest, & ethnocentric mass murder, but it is step too far to pathologize even modest nationalism which is simply self preservation, or sovereignty.

    The German pockets of Switzerland & northern Italy give a better sense of what a more sane Germany might be like in the absence of the self-loathing and cuckification.
    , @Opinionator
    I have a feeling future generations may view the charge that we had to fight WWII so we wouldn’t have to speak German as in the same category as Saddam’s WMDs.

    Current generations should dismiss that charge. It has even less credibility than the WMD claims.
    , @Neoconned
    In this sense - the third world is Germanys best friend.....


    Most other Europeans view Germany as either a sugar daddy or a necessary economic evil to counter balance Putin


    Germany in the longer run could be vindicated by the 3rd world
  34. Parts of Germany are certainly already highly dysfunctional, e.g. North Rhine-Westphalia (ruined by decades of leftist mismanagement) and Berlin; and even many regions that once were quite nice are on a downwards trajectory, standards are generally slipping in many areas (e.g. Greens and Social Democrats have managed to ruin Baden-Württemberg’s education system within the space of just a few years).
    Potemkin society may be a fitting description, on the outside Germany may still look fairly successful, but if current trends continue I have no doubt that its future will be very, very bleak (which is pretty bad for me since I’m kind of stuck here :-(

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    There's a great future for you in China after we finish buying up all German technological distinctiveness and assimilate it. You have to admit, at this point, it almost seems to be for your own good.

    Pretty tragic, I loved Bavaria when I visited it.

    Also, Merry Christmas Steve!

    , @Marat
    Most Americans scratch their head wondering why Merkel is not under more pressure than she is. A knowledgeable friend remarked that it's her partnership with the Greens that makes her actions difficult to understand.
  35. @reiner Tor
    Sounds about right, though it is an economic powerhouse in spite of all the problems.

    Incompetent Germans are still more competent than most other peoples

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    Incompetent Germans are still more competent than most other peoples
     
    Especially when one looks at Germany's suicidal energy so called "policy". Greens and "New Left" are not "competent" by definition. In case of Germany's Greens and New Left we are talking about people who are clear and present danger to own nation. Come to think about it, this pretty much applies to the whole Germany's "elite"--it is not only dumb, it is cowardly and, in a larger sense, criminal.
  36. 200,000 comments is a lot.

    To get that last 5k, I’d suggest a piece on Loyal Chapman.

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    Don't forget that that Tiny Duck must be responsible for a few thousand of Steve's comments, between his own and those who feel compelled to respond to him.
  37. Hepp says:

    Hilarious timely article from Bloomberg

    As Germany wrestles with the political and economic fallout of surging immigration, one thing has become clear. The foreigners are giving the country something it needs: more babies.

    In 2015, Germany’s birthrate rose to 1.5 per woman, the highest in 33 years. The state statistics service attributed the increase mainly to foreign-born mothers, who accounted for a record-high 1 in 5 births. German-born moms have an average of 1.4 kids; for foreign-born women, the figure is higher than 1.9. “It’s much easier to be a family and have kids here,” says Basima Shhadat, who gave birth to a daughter in Munich in 2015, a year after arriving from Syria with her husband and five sons. Four other sons died in Syria, she says. “My kids can live here. There are no bombs.”

    Yes, why not? Have 9 kids in Syria, lose 4 to the jihad, keep 5 others, go to Merkel’s Germany so you can have a few more. No way that this can go wrong.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-15/europe-s-migrant-flood-brings-germany-a-much-needed-baby-boom

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    "Much needed baby boom". They need these particular babies like they need a hole in the head. In fact, these babies may give them a hole in the head. But the reporter COMPLETELY misses that angle. It doesn't even occur to her. The modern left is incapable of thinking in these terms. Having babies is one more job that we can farm out to immigrants so that SWPLs like Carol Matlack can write news stories. Carol doesn't need to feel guilty that she is destroying her society by her barrenness. One more baby is one more baby whether his name is Mohammed or Hans. By the time they figure out that it's not the same thing, it will be too late.
    , @Skylurk
    The foreigners are giving the country something it needs: more babies.

    That is one of the saddest statements I have read. Bloomberg inhabits a reality in which Western culture, tradition, and public safety are irrelevant compared with immigrant baby factories churning out more future consumers.
    , @Pericles
    Combined with relentless propaganda for native girls not to ever, ever, ever get pregnant. Your glamorous life will be ruined! The rest of it will just be drudgery to serve some ... man. Who will run away and leave you with 1.2 squalling brats. Why take that risk when you can be forever young, forever ready to buy another pair of shoes?
  38. Merry Christmas, Steve, to you and your family.

    Thank you very much for all of your hard work. And humor.

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  39. @theo the kraut
    eah is referring to the German fee collection service for public broadcasting institutions. Presently we have to pay 17,50 € per month for big brother's agitprop, whether you actually own a TV set/radio/internet access or not. If you don't pay you go to jail, no joking, it's easier to stay outside if you rape or slay someone ...if you got a migrant bonus.

    don't bother, just for specialists:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beitragsservice_von_ARD,_ZDF_und_Deutschlandradio

    Same in the UK. Failure to pay the BBC their annual protection-money lands a householder with a criminal record – provided he’s gullible enough (a) not to have denied their enforcement goons implied right of access to his property, and (b), above all, to own and gawp at a TV set in the first place.

    The EU turns a blind eye to the fact that the BBC are breaking EU law, in that they thus deny British citizens free access to information. The BBC’s pro-EU bias has nothing to do with this, of course, nor the fact that the EU funnels money to them directly.

    I sometimes listen to the news on BBC Radio 4, strictly for the entertainment value, turning everything I hear on its head in order to get an idea of what’s really going on. Trump is still giving them the heebie-jeebies. What joy it was when Hillary conceded! You could cut the Radio 4 glumness with a knife.

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  40. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Part of their manufacturing prowess is the Euro. The Mark would be like the Swiss Franc. Germany has to bail out Greece to keep the Euro. It’s too weak for Germany but too strong for Southern Europe.

    Which is also messing up their banking. Once they started lying, it gets harder and harder to tell the truth about anything. They had to lie about why they had to bail out the PIIGS. And now, if they let the Euro go, they will have to deal with a strong Mark as well as totally bail out their banks which are full of European sovereign debt.

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  41. Austrian says:

    Governance is child’s play, if you are governing Germans.

    The German government has been unable to deal with Arab gangs for decades. These gangs use such sophisticated techniques as throwing their ID away, not showing up for court dates, not properly declaring their primary residence, etc. Also they promise to stop committing crimes to get suspended sentences, but then they commit crimes anyway.

    The Berlin bus attack and the embarrassingly absurd pixelated manhunt for this notorious criminal just exposes what has been going on in immigrant neighborhoods for decades. All of this is also true for other northern European countries. The difference between reality and the stereotype is largest for Germany though. The German police state is a potemkin village. The facade was built by Hollywood though.

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    Governance is child’s play, if you are governing Germans.

    That is an insightful comment. As you imply, it holds for most of Europe as well. It's easy to police law abiding people. People are generally not aware that it doesn't take many people who commit crimes at an order of magnitude greater rates, speak an impenetrable language and don't inform on their kin, to bring a police precinct to its knees. Even the order of magnitude greater crime rates is enough to do that, coupled with the economic uselessness of the new people to pay for the existing police let alone an order of magnitude greater number of police.

    It really is a thin blue line. If it only takes a few Muslims to create no-go zones, it wouldn't take too many patriots to make life hell for the traitor government. Surely some of the most redpilled would be in the police itself. Some deliberate incompetence on their part would be very helpful in certain circumstances. We only have to look at the examples of the IRA to see what is possible with the support of a lot of the population, if people are willing to "go there".
  42. Probably no more so than the rest of the West.

    When I was stationed in Germany in the late 1980′s, the polezei (West German police) had the reputation of badasses. By that I mean, if you were screwing up, they wouldn’t hesitate to smack you in the head with their billyclubs to get you in line (and not that they would arbitrarily smack you-they were peceived as hardass, but just).

    There are so many instances in all of Western society where people obviously don’t have the confidence to do the right thing; drunks? control them (with a billy club, if necessary). I was struck by the gang rape/gang sex situation in Minnesota by the white guy spokesman for the team’s boycott: is it imaginable that any white guy, just 20 years ago, would side with 10 (or even 20) black guys gang raping a coed?

    Ivanka being harassed on a plane: the gay harasser did it (and wasn’t punished for it-he was removed from the plane and simply got a later flight) because he knew he wouldn’t be punished for it. Nobody stood up for the solitary mom and her young kids, because they knew they would potentially be punished for it.

    Why does the Left engage in voter fraud (in Detroit, in Philadelphia, etc etc)? Because they can.

    The idiocy of transvestites in public bathrooms.

    And so on and so on. Behaviors that would have been unacceptable within the memory of most readers of this blog, are now publically considered acceptable. But more importantly, those behaviors, I think, are still considered unacceptable (gang rape, men in women’s bathrooms, enforcing the law, and so on)-the mass of people are simply afraid to say so. Unlike genuine moral change (1950: excluding blacks from college is ok. 1990: it isn’t anymore), the behavioral/’moral’ changes are being imposed on the people*.

    The mass psychology if the West is pretty clearly in an odd place right now. Its not just Germany.

    joeyjoejoe

    *Obviously not in all cases. That white Minnesota football player wasn’t forced to take the stance he did, for instance.

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    is it imaginable that any white guy, just 20 years ago, would side with 10 (or even 20) black guys gang raping a coed?
     
    Yeah, that's not what happened in this case. Stop being such a white knight.
    , @Stan Adams
    Integration was imposed on Southerners by Northerners - Jews prominent among them. The civil-rights movement was not a grass-roots phenomenon. Everything was orchestrated. (The Rosa Parks bus incident was staged.) It was no more natural or organic a social phenomenon than the tranny-rights crusade.

    Nothing ever happens because of the "will of the people." The masses do not, indeed cannot, lead; they can only follow.

    Everyone is subject to social and cultural conditioning. Some folks are better than others at noticing that things that are supposed to be true are not, and vice versa.

    Some elites know that the CW is BS, but many if not most swallow it hook, line, and sinker. And some of the deluded are pretty smart, in terms of their cognitive ability - g does not always correlate with n.

    And neither g nor n correlates with b.
  43. I read you so much Steve, I almost feel that you’re family. Merry Christmas and a Happy and Prosperous New Year!

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    The lovable Uncle with the "weird" political views! Omigawd, he's like such a Nazi!
  44. jhz says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    In future decades, the fear that Germany was going to "take over the world" will sound bizarre. It only had a population of about 80 million back then (same as now) and couldn't possibly have pulled off such a feat. Even with advanced technology and great soldiers, the world was just too big.

    It is true Great Britain ruled much of the world with an even smaller population. But to be blunt, they were mainly ruling over non-Whites. Britain had long ago proven incapable of ruling America, for example.

    So, whatever German leaders, or our fevered propagandists may have imagined, Germany would never have had the manpower to rule all of Europe, Russia and North America. Just think about it.

    I have a feeling future generations may view the charge that we had to fight WWII so we wouldn't have to speak German as in the same category as Saddam's WMDs.

    So did the Holocaust happen or not?

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  45. @Anonymous
    In future decades, the fear that Germany was going to "take over the world" will sound bizarre. It only had a population of about 80 million back then (same as now) and couldn't possibly have pulled off such a feat. Even with advanced technology and great soldiers, the world was just too big.

    It is true Great Britain ruled much of the world with an even smaller population. But to be blunt, they were mainly ruling over non-Whites. Britain had long ago proven incapable of ruling America, for example.

    So, whatever German leaders, or our fevered propagandists may have imagined, Germany would never have had the manpower to rule all of Europe, Russia and North America. Just think about it.

    I have a feeling future generations may view the charge that we had to fight WWII so we wouldn't have to speak German as in the same category as Saddam's WMDs.

    I have a feeling future generations may view the charge that we had to fight WWII so we wouldn’t have to speak German as in the same category as Saddam’s WMDs.

    heck, a convincing case can be made that Germany, as a threat to its neighbors, was defeated in December 1941, when the Russians halted the German advance on Moscow and started to retake territory.

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  46. @Anonymous
    Interesting post.
    A few points to make in reply.

    It should never be forgotten that *the* defining charactetistic of post 1945 west, at least, German life is post-Hitler guilt. Plus the ignominy of being a loser nation. A big time loser infact. The biggest loser in the history of creation - and considering the destruction it wrought, a nation that got off remarkably lightly from retributitative punishment.

    Also we must allow the Germans, until recently a wholly German nation, the blue eyed naivety of not fully understanding the wiles and ways of duskier folk who don't play the game by German rules.
    On the question of German industry, Germany is very good at what Germany does. Don't let anyone fool you otherwise. Also, this meme that somehow the EU and that thoroughly misbegotten, missold misjudged and disastrous push to European monetary union is a German racket, is a deliberate misinterpretation of the facts. Monetary union has been a disaster for Germany and a fraud and lie upon the German people, who will inevitably be forced to pay for other peoples debts contrary to political promises. The idea that the Euro is a device to boost German exports at other nations expense is economically illiterate.
    Germans, generally, were and are very pro EU. This is the post-Hitler guilt thing all over again. Making amends to a Europe you destroyed, and trying to submerge the old identity into something new.

    This is the Theodore Dalrymple argument.

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  47. Whiskey says: • Website

    Germany, Sweden, cucking, what could they have in common? Oh right, feminism. Any European society that exalts its women ends up in that place: a dysfunctional society that loathes its native men and punishes them for being born straight, White, and rewards foreign men the more thuggish they behave. Why is anyone surprised that the German government, run from the top down by “Mutti” Merkel, has the toughness of a limp noodle towards foreigners.

    In order to enforce the laws and keep violent foreigners out, or deport them if they arrive, it requires the WILL. There is no will because a nation of Lena Dunhams is engaged in an eternal war against their men. And the traditional Western good treatment of women thus becomes the fatal weakness for the West. Germany in particular.

    Its an open question, with the odds on the downside, if Germany will simply totally surrender to Islam. Because its women want it.

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    I appreciate the consistently in message but you have swallowed too much red pill.
  48. @Dave Pinsen
    I dunno. Munich was embarrassing, but the targets were Israelis. Similarly, the 9/11 targets were in the US. Until Merkel's Boner, maybe anti-terrorism wasn't a priority for Germany.

    Or maybe they look at France and see it has lots of anti-terror capabilities and still gets hit (Britain has done better; Ed West credits MI5).

    German manufacturers still dominate. The VW scandal was the German response to cognitive dissonance (Americans love diesel but want to be told fairy tales about diesel emissions).

    “I dunno. Munich was embarrassing, but the targets were Israelis. Similarly, the 9/11 targets were in the US. Until Merkel’s Boner, maybe anti-terrorism wasn’t a priority for Germany.”

    I remember reading in the memoirs of one of the Israeli generals how shocked they were by German military/security incompetence in ’72 (especially during the rescue assault). He wrote something along the lines of “We were expecting WW2 Germans and we got WW 1 Italians instead”. It’s also true that the German security services did not exactly distinguish themselves in the Baader-Meinhof matter, where the victims were primarily German. In their partial defense though, there was an astonishing amount of sympathy for Baader-Meinhof in substantial segments of German society. The 1970′s were truly insane.

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  49. Austrian says:

    On economics: I disagree with the examples Thomas gave. Deutsche Bank = AIG at worst. Siemens did nothing exceptionally corrupt either. The Chinese get these third world government contracts now.

    You can have good mileage, or low emissions, but not both. That’s just physics. The EPA and EU regulations, fleet standards, etc. demand both at the same time. So we’ve seen all kinds of cheating, if not necessarily illegal, to skirt around the regulatory hurdles. VW did nothing wrong.

    However, the German economy is toast and it is a bad deal for Germans anyway. Germany has a trade surplus of nine percent. This means that Germans export real goods and get mere payment promises in return. Germans live below their means. But not only are they unaware of this, their national pride is based on these export surpluses.

    German quality engineering and manufacture is an outdated notion. Car plants used to employ thousands of machinists that had to make parts one at the time. That work has been automated. Germany has more robots per capita than Japan. Even so, many of the German plants are operating at a loss and are kept for prestige.

    The Chinese could manufacture almost everything cheaper and with the same quality. However it is difficult to get into various niche markets (machine tools, etc.) that are still dominated by medium sized businesses, because customers are conservative in these fields. The Chinese are currently in a shopping frenzy, buying up these Mittelstand businesses. They bought Kraus-Maffei recently for example.

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    • Replies: @Thomas
    Thanks for the insights. I have to admit I was searching out examples, and I won't claim to be a learned expert on the up-to-date inner workings of the German economy. It's been a few years since I was in the country. What I actually first noticed years ago seemed to be slipping in things German was BMW: around 2002 or so, the quality and segment placement of their cars seemed to take a real nosedive from what it had been in the 1990s.

    What I think probably stands out with Germany is the loss of image. Malfeasance, bad investments, and political and business scandals are hardly rare in the world (they seem more the norm than the irregularity). As Steve's original post referenced though ("Traditionally Disorganized, Ineffectual German Reich Unable to Deal with Staggering Challenge Posed by Tunisian Petty Crook"), the international image of Germany has been traditionally of a well-run and orderly country. Granted, this was a stereotype. But, one thing that does seem particular to Germany is an apparent unwillingness to openly face mistakes in public. In America, everything seems to get turned into a political football, which at least means it gets talked about (even if badly). To hear you tell it, their entire economy is geared to an irrational model that's artificially leaving Germans poorer than they should be. That's where the metaphor of a "Potemkin society" came to mind for me. Merkel has been getting bandied about here and there by the globalists, liberals, Davoisie, etc., as the new "leader of the free world" since Trump was elected.

  50. @Lot
    All of these are minor problems compared to Germany's immigration and birth rates.

    German banks have lost a whole lot of money to be sure, but that is mostly because German companies and consumers do not want to borrow, so they have to lend abroad without knowing what they are getting into.

    The low birth rate is why they think they need immigrants in the first place.

    Another German failure is the new Berlin-Brandenburg airport that was completely finished but failed the very last checks spectacularly.

    My take from doing business with and working with Germans is that they follow their checklists that more checks have been completed. Nobody really cares if these checks are valuable.

    EDIT: Usually post as Fredrik but logging in from elsewhere.

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  51. Svigor says:

    Trump backers get ‘revenge gifts’ from relatives: donations to liberal causes

    Proper response:

    Dear giver,

    I’m glad a Trump voter and a Trump pre-presidency have finally inspired you to support causes you believe in.

    Trump is already making the world a better place, and he hasn’t even taken office yet!

    In the spirit of your gift, I am going to make a matching contribution to the NRA, in your name.

    Merry Christmas!

    “I thought I could make a point and in the process be generous to a human rights cause that is only going to become more important now,” said Urban.

    Trump makes human rights cause more important, news at 11!

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    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    I think the NRA is pretty race-cucked. Make the donation to iSteve or through vDare!
    , @Bill B.
    A wonderful Guardian article. It should be compulsory reading in schools.

    "He is ruing the fact that he and his boyfriend agreed, before the election, to attend a big family Christmas gathering for the first time in 20 years."
  52. @German_reader
    Parts of Germany are certainly already highly dysfunctional, e.g. North Rhine-Westphalia (ruined by decades of leftist mismanagement) and Berlin; and even many regions that once were quite nice are on a downwards trajectory, standards are generally slipping in many areas (e.g. Greens and Social Democrats have managed to ruin Baden-Württemberg's education system within the space of just a few years).
    Potemkin society may be a fitting description, on the outside Germany may still look fairly successful, but if current trends continue I have no doubt that its future will be very, very bleak (which is pretty bad for me since I'm kind of stuck here :-(

    There’s a great future for you in China after we finish buying up all German technological distinctiveness and assimilate it. You have to admit, at this point, it almost seems to be for your own good.

    Pretty tragic, I loved Bavaria when I visited it.

    Also, Merry Christmas Steve!

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  53. Richard S says:

    Merry Christmas to the Sailers! Steve, you’re one of my personal heroes.

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  54. @Anonymous
    In future decades, the fear that Germany was going to "take over the world" will sound bizarre. It only had a population of about 80 million back then (same as now) and couldn't possibly have pulled off such a feat. Even with advanced technology and great soldiers, the world was just too big.

    It is true Great Britain ruled much of the world with an even smaller population. But to be blunt, they were mainly ruling over non-Whites. Britain had long ago proven incapable of ruling America, for example.

    So, whatever German leaders, or our fevered propagandists may have imagined, Germany would never have had the manpower to rule all of Europe, Russia and North America. Just think about it.

    I have a feeling future generations may view the charge that we had to fight WWII so we wouldn't have to speak German as in the same category as Saddam's WMDs.

    No one claimed that Germany was going to take over the world- even the most ambitious of Grossraum thinkers.

    The corollary to lebensraum was the idea that with lebensraum you could support a lot more Germans. What about 200 million Germans could they have taken over the world- probally not but the whole point was that there would be a lot more Germans in the world.

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    • Replies: @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Funny how I was recently thinking about the concept of Lebensraum and the invasion of the Ostgebiete. I wonder how things would have turned out if Hitler had executed his invasion differently? If he had subjected his own German people to hardship and civil repression and then unleashed 1,500,000 unarmed , ununiformed, wretched, hungry and horny young men to Poland in September 1939, Germany might have been more successful at holding that territory in the long run.
    , @Anonymous
    I'm not German, but I have benefited from tons of German inventions. It's hard to imagine how more Germans would have been a bad thing.
  55. Jack D says:
    @Hepp
    Hilarious timely article from Bloomberg

    As Germany wrestles with the political and economic fallout of surging immigration, one thing has become clear. The foreigners are giving the country something it needs: more babies.

    In 2015, Germany’s birthrate rose to 1.5 per woman, the highest in 33 years. The state statistics service attributed the increase mainly to foreign-born mothers, who accounted for a record-high 1 in 5 births. German-born moms have an average of 1.4 kids; for foreign-born women, the figure is higher than 1.9. “It’s much easier to be a family and have kids here,” says Basima Shhadat, who gave birth to a daughter in Munich in 2015, a year after arriving from Syria with her husband and five sons. Four other sons died in Syria, she says. “My kids can live here. There are no bombs.”

     

    Yes, why not? Have 9 kids in Syria, lose 4 to the jihad, keep 5 others, go to Merkel's Germany so you can have a few more. No way that this can go wrong.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-15/europe-s-migrant-flood-brings-germany-a-much-needed-baby-boom

    “Much needed baby boom”. They need these particular babies like they need a hole in the head. In fact, these babies may give them a hole in the head. But the reporter COMPLETELY misses that angle. It doesn’t even occur to her. The modern left is incapable of thinking in these terms. Having babies is one more job that we can farm out to immigrants so that SWPLs like Carol Matlack can write news stories. Carol doesn’t need to feel guilty that she is destroying her society by her barrenness. One more baby is one more baby whether his name is Mohammed or Hans. By the time they figure out that it’s not the same thing, it will be too late.

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  56. NOTA says:
    @TheBoom
    Last year I got to know a German who was in their equivalent of the FBI. He didn't think Muslims were a problem and felt terrorism wasn't a big deal because more people died from other things. I am not surprised that they botched this after meeting him.

    Terrorism really is a small problem in terms of number of fatalities. And I may be missing something, but I’m not sure what counterterrorism policies would have helped Germany in the last few years–their problems seem to be related to immigration and EU-wide open borders.

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    • Replies: @Rod1963
    A good CT policy = proper vetting and only allowing immigrants whose culture and values are in sync with German ones. That precludes Muslims and Africans.

    Of this would mean noticing that Muslims and Africans are not the same as Europeans at all which is verboten.

    By failing to do this they now have Muzzies going around and raping German children and adults, committing crimes and turning public pools into rape factories and public toilets.

    , @Jefferson
    "Terrorism really is a small problem in terms of number of fatalities."

    That's the same argument pro-open borders people use to justify mass Muslim immigration into Western countries.
    , @Dumbo
    "Terrorism really is a small problem in terms of number of fatalities."

    I never understand this argument. The number of fatalities may be low, but if there were no Muslims in Germany, it could be zero. And even if they kill relatively few people, they cause a lot of economic damage.

    For instance, after the attack in Berlin, armed Police was sent to "protect" all German Christmas Markets, even in smaller towns, something that was seen as completely unnecessary a few days ago. Can you imagine the cost of that? And totally pointless too, as they would not be able to protect against a truck. Plus, the reduction in tourism, etc. It's lose-lose with those immigrants.
    , @Pericles

    Terrorism really is a small problem in terms of number of fatalities.

     

    The police can skip it as long as you won't investigate informal counter-terrorist activities either.
    , @dfordoom

    Terrorism really is a small problem in terms of number of fatalities.
     
    Murder really is a small problem in terms of number of fatalities. We still tend to worry quite a bit about murder and we still put a lot of resources into the problem.
  57. NOTA says:
    @FN
    Indeed there have been a number of spectacular political failures and displays of incompetence in recent years (the Berlin airport scandal perhaps being the most stunning). What is particularly depressing about these is that there have been virtually no consequences for those responsible. That is new and very dangerous. Germans were used to at least reasonably good governance and limited political corruption. They are now getting used to Mediterranean standards.

    There are spectacular failures and patches of banana-republic showing through the successful first-world country in the US and UK and France, too. This makes me wonder whether we are really having more of these failures, or whether they’ve just become more visible.

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    • Replies: @krakonos
    Gradual loss of human capital (selecting out multiple traits) combined with crippled education is the answer.
  58. Germans are excellent at manufacturing all but one thing: German babies. And this new high fertility immigration will doom them. If they figure this out, it means violence in the streets because none of these Muslim men have any intention of going home peacefully. If they don’t figure it out, it is a slow decline into Shariah, a decline marked by episodes like we just saw. Either way, Germany is a very bad bet.

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  59. @FN
    Indeed there have been a number of spectacular political failures and displays of incompetence in recent years (the Berlin airport scandal perhaps being the most stunning). What is particularly depressing about these is that there have been virtually no consequences for those responsible. That is new and very dangerous. Germans were used to at least reasonably good governance and limited political corruption. They are now getting used to Mediterranean standards.

    Having followed the Berlin Airport saga up close, while living in Berlin & Brandenburg my sense was that this kind experience is by now par for the course. So many other examples of the failure to dream and execute big left were so disappointing that made it clear that Germans weren’t living up to their great potential. Germany is plagued by the same kind of paralysis and sclerosis for example as manifested in the same kind of NIMBYistic community activism Yanks will be familiar with that reflexively resists any and all change. Tyler Cowen and others are right probably about all the developed economies, secular stagnation and “Average is Over.” By now the failure of common sense is manifested in a paralysis by dogmatic adherence to legalistic notions of “civil rights” and “rule of law.” When it becomes impossible to manage a society and community for the majority based on commonly agreed norms because everything has to be codified exactly and conform to explicit rules means things break down when things transpire outside the expectations of the rule-makers or especially when free-riders try to take advantage and game the system conforming to the letter of the law while violating its spirit.

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  60. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous
    In future decades, the fear that Germany was going to "take over the world" will sound bizarre. It only had a population of about 80 million back then (same as now) and couldn't possibly have pulled off such a feat. Even with advanced technology and great soldiers, the world was just too big.

    It is true Great Britain ruled much of the world with an even smaller population. But to be blunt, they were mainly ruling over non-Whites. Britain had long ago proven incapable of ruling America, for example.

    So, whatever German leaders, or our fevered propagandists may have imagined, Germany would never have had the manpower to rule all of Europe, Russia and North America. Just think about it.

    I have a feeling future generations may view the charge that we had to fight WWII so we wouldn't have to speak German as in the same category as Saddam's WMDs.

    I don’t know what the German’s long term plans were for the rest of the world but as for Russia the long term plan was to exterminate the Slavs and replace them with Germans. They had no compunction about killing millions of Slavs because these were people who were going to be written out of history anyway. As soon as they were done running the Jews thru their death factories they were ready to move on to the next race slated for elimination.

    With unlimited Lebensraum and fascist ideology, maybe Hitler could have gotten German birth rates up to the kind of birth rates we see in the Moslem world so 80 million Germans could have become 560 million. The population of Saudi Arabia has increased sevenfold since 1960.

    The US was (barely) able to endure a Cold War with a bunch of people who like to drink bath lotion. Who knows whether we could have stood up to 500 million Nazis?

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    Lies.
    , @reiner Tor
    Himmler also had schemes to propagate for birth control among the Slavs, giving them advice like this. He wanted Slavs to understand that under German rule, the only way to have a decent living standard was to have no children, or at most one child.
    , @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    Jack D writes: "The US was (barely) able to endure a Cold War with a bunch of people who like to drink bath lotion. Who knows whether we could have stood up to 500 million Nazis?"

    Sorry, Jack D, for not understanding your allusions. What was this bath lotion, and who were drinking it (Americans? Russians?). Please explain.
    , @Anonymous
    The ultimate irony is that the Germans have started once again on their favorite past-time, shitting on the Slavs, with Merkel's rabid insistence that Poland 'must' take in unlimited numbers of third world 'asylum' racketeers.
    , @Parbes
    "The US was (barely) able to endure a Cold War with a bunch of people who like to drink bath lotion."

    Ruusians don't "like to drink bath lotion", you moronic bigot.
    , @5371
    If only we had actual data on the birthrates that prevailed in National Socialist Germany, so that we could tell whether they were like the highest in the world today. But of course we have something much more valuable, your uninformed and unbridled fantasy.
  61. @Sam Haysom
    No one claimed that Germany was going to take over the world- even the most ambitious of Grossraum thinkers.

    The corollary to lebensraum was the idea that with lebensraum you could support a lot more Germans. What about 200 million Germans could they have taken over the world- probally not but the whole point was that there would be a lot more Germans in the world.

    Funny how I was recently thinking about the concept of Lebensraum and the invasion of the Ostgebiete. I wonder how things would have turned out if Hitler had executed his invasion differently? If he had subjected his own German people to hardship and civil repression and then unleashed 1,500,000 unarmed , ununiformed, wretched, hungry and horny young men to Poland in September 1939, Germany might have been more successful at holding that territory in the long run.

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  62. Jack D says:
    @theo the kraut
    eah is referring to the German fee collection service for public broadcasting institutions. Presently we have to pay 17,50 € per month for big brother's agitprop, whether you actually own a TV set/radio/internet access or not. If you don't pay you go to jail, no joking, it's easier to stay outside if you rape or slay someone ...if you got a migrant bonus.

    don't bother, just for specialists:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beitragsservice_von_ARD,_ZDF_und_Deutschlandradio

    This was the solution to Anis Amri’s Catch-22 – they could neither detain nor deport him because he had no documents so they should have just jailed him for failing to pay his GEZ. They got Al Capone for income tax evasion, not for murdering people.

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    Good thinking, but nope, wouldn't do. People on welfare are exempt, 99% of 'refugees' are...
  63. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @27 year old
    Incompetent Germans are still more competent than most other peoples

    Incompetent Germans are still more competent than most other peoples

    Especially when one looks at Germany’s suicidal energy so called “policy”. Greens and “New Left” are not “competent” by definition. In case of Germany’s Greens and New Left we are talking about people who are clear and present danger to own nation. Come to think about it, this pretty much applies to the whole Germany’s “elite”–it is not only dumb, it is cowardly and, in a larger sense, criminal.

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  64. krakonos says:
    @NOTA
    There are spectacular failures and patches of banana-republic showing through the successful first-world country in the US and UK and France, too. This makes me wonder whether we are really having more of these failures, or whether they've just become more visible.

    Gradual loss of human capital (selecting out multiple traits) combined with crippled education is the answer.

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  65. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous
    Interesting post.
    A few points to make in reply.

    It should never be forgotten that *the* defining charactetistic of post 1945 west, at least, German life is post-Hitler guilt. Plus the ignominy of being a loser nation. A big time loser infact. The biggest loser in the history of creation - and considering the destruction it wrought, a nation that got off remarkably lightly from retributitative punishment.

    Also we must allow the Germans, until recently a wholly German nation, the blue eyed naivety of not fully understanding the wiles and ways of duskier folk who don't play the game by German rules.
    On the question of German industry, Germany is very good at what Germany does. Don't let anyone fool you otherwise. Also, this meme that somehow the EU and that thoroughly misbegotten, missold misjudged and disastrous push to European monetary union is a German racket, is a deliberate misinterpretation of the facts. Monetary union has been a disaster for Germany and a fraud and lie upon the German people, who will inevitably be forced to pay for other peoples debts contrary to political promises. The idea that the Euro is a device to boost German exports at other nations expense is economically illiterate.
    Germans, generally, were and are very pro EU. This is the post-Hitler guilt thing all over again. Making amends to a Europe you destroyed, and trying to submerge the old identity into something new.

    How many Mercedes does Daimler sell in Greece if it is 1 mark = 1 million drachmas?

    The idea that the EU is good for German exporters and bad for German taxpayers is not inconsistent. It’s called socializing the losses and privatizing the profits. It works the same as in the US.

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  66. @Vinay
    " The VW scandal was the German response to cognitive dissonance"

    Regardless of the ethics, the VW scandal was a colossal management failure which exposed the company to staggering losses for dubious gains. Since the topic is German organizational competence, the VW scandal is exactly the kind of thing which calls German competence into question.

    Could it be the result of declines in social trust and cooperation wrought by immigration?

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  67. @Jack D
    I don't know what the German's long term plans were for the rest of the world but as for Russia the long term plan was to exterminate the Slavs and replace them with Germans. They had no compunction about killing millions of Slavs because these were people who were going to be written out of history anyway. As soon as they were done running the Jews thru their death factories they were ready to move on to the next race slated for elimination.

    With unlimited Lebensraum and fascist ideology, maybe Hitler could have gotten German birth rates up to the kind of birth rates we see in the Moslem world so 80 million Germans could have become 560 million. The population of Saudi Arabia has increased sevenfold since 1960.

    The US was (barely) able to endure a Cold War with a bunch of people who like to drink bath lotion. Who knows whether we could have stood up to 500 million Nazis?

    Lies.

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  68. Mr. Anon says:
    @Pseudonymic Handle
    Merkel's Boner was a disastrous decision, but the decision to shut down the nuclear power plants and put a lot of money in solar power was even more bizarre given how rarely Germany (and western Europe generally) sees the sun.
    I expect Merkel, a physics PhD and a former quantum chemistry researcher, understands this energy stuff really well.
    I think Merkel is just a populist, doing what she thinks most germans want at that moment. If the people start demanding antiterrorist measures she will do that in a heartbeat.
    BTW many military observers were critical of german military performance in Afghanistan and the Bundeswehr is seriously underfunded to the extent that vehicle combat readiness is below 50%.

    “I expect Merkel, a physics PhD and a former quantum chemistry researcher, understands this energy stuff really well.”

    Not necessarily. A PhD in quantum chemistry itself does not mean that she knows much about nuclear engineering, photovoltaics, power distribution, or the engineering and economics of the energy sector in general. She wouldn’t have encountered any of that in her field of study or research. She probably has the smarts to understand it, but it still requires some dedicated study, and she has perhaps not put that in. Politicians have other demands on their time.

    Presumably she would have the smarts and good judgement to select the right experts and evaluate their arguments. But then, presumably she would also have the smarts and good judgement to know that inviting in about a million angry young men who have no skills and big chips on their shoulders would be a bad idea. And she evidently does not have those.

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  69. @Thomas
    Collecting the taxes is the one thing you can usually count on a government to accomplish, if nothing else.

    Lincoln laid out just where collecting taxes stood in terms of priorities in his first Inaugaral Address. (The one they didn’t teach you at school)

    Slavery:

    “I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.”
    No problem, how benign

    However

    Collecting Taxes

    “The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the Government and to collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion, no using of force against or among the people anywhere.”

    Invasion, Using of force against the people

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    My reaction is to wonder whether a seceded South could have negotiated a "high autonomy compromise": we pay the tribute money (taxes) and you leave us alone? Probably not--too many extremists on both sides.
  70. @Anonymous
    In future decades, the fear that Germany was going to "take over the world" will sound bizarre. It only had a population of about 80 million back then (same as now) and couldn't possibly have pulled off such a feat. Even with advanced technology and great soldiers, the world was just too big.

    It is true Great Britain ruled much of the world with an even smaller population. But to be blunt, they were mainly ruling over non-Whites. Britain had long ago proven incapable of ruling America, for example.

    So, whatever German leaders, or our fevered propagandists may have imagined, Germany would never have had the manpower to rule all of Europe, Russia and North America. Just think about it.

    I have a feeling future generations may view the charge that we had to fight WWII so we wouldn't have to speak German as in the same category as Saddam's WMDs.

    So, whatever German leaders, or our fevered propagandists may have imagined, Germany would never have had the manpower to rule all of Europe, Russia and North America. Just think about it.

    Nor did it have the desire to.

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  71. One strength Germany has is its excellent tradition in professional & vocational education. Sure a lot of this is hide-bound and wasteful for the three years traineeship / apprenticeship for even the most basic jobs. Lots of this could be rationalized and made more efficient for what the work actually demands and augmented with continuing education and further training “just-in-time” for when more skill is required. Nevertheless the best part of this system is that it isn’t necessary to send an entire young generation through the SJW indoctrination mills of the Cathedral that American higher education has become. Americans seem to underestimate the German vocational education system. When Yanks think “apprenticeship” and “Vo-Tech” they think plumbers, mechanics and other blue-collar technicians. German apprenticeships are also well placed in IT, healthcare, banks, business and institutional administration and other knowledge work that in the US would require a at least a bachelors degree to get an interview but hardly necessitate that university training to get the job done well.

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    France has a system that more closely resembles the U.S., but one reads French press articles praising the German system.
  72. Jack D says:
    @Steve Richter
    Have ethnic Germans contributed to pop culture? Any comics, talk show hosts, rock musicians, TV or movie actors? Have German Jews been just as successful as Eastern European and Russian Jews in the Arts?

    Hollywood has always had a large contingent of Germans, both Jewish and not. Most often behind the camera (Billy Wilder, Ernst Lubitsch) but sometimes on screen (Peter Lorre, Marlene Dietrich)

    https://www.german-way.com/history-and-culture/germany/cinema-in-germany/germans-in-hollywood/

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  73. peterike says:
    @Pseudonymic Handle
    Merkel's Boner was a disastrous decision, but the decision to shut down the nuclear power plants and put a lot of money in solar power was even more bizarre given how rarely Germany (and western Europe generally) sees the sun.
    I expect Merkel, a physics PhD and a former quantum chemistry researcher, understands this energy stuff really well.
    I think Merkel is just a populist, doing what she thinks most germans want at that moment. If the people start demanding antiterrorist measures she will do that in a heartbeat.
    BTW many military observers were critical of german military performance in Afghanistan and the Bundeswehr is seriously underfunded to the extent that vehicle combat readiness is below 50%.

    I think Merkel is just a populist, doing what she thinks most germans want at that moment.

    If by “populist” you mean “barren, psychotic shrew deeply engaged in the destruction of her own people and nation,” then yeah, I agree with that.

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  74. Beckow says:
    @Lot
    All of these are minor problems compared to Germany's immigration and birth rates.

    German banks have lost a whole lot of money to be sure, but that is mostly because German companies and consumers do not want to borrow, so they have to lend abroad without knowing what they are getting into.

    Germans don’t borrow enough, it is a cultural thing. But it might not be that smart. In a debt and credit driven economy, the ones refusing to borrow will eventually be the ones paying for the un-payable loans. We have had a few years of hard-ass, austerity, pay-your-debts-or-else rule, but it is coming to an end because it has never been sustainable.

    Rational behavior needs to account for context – if credit is easy, not using it is not rational, it is self-defeating. Because the message in easy credit is that nobody expects that it will all be paid back (we don’t have slave labor any more). I am not criticizing the Germans, but they might end up paying for the others whether they like it or not.

    When in Rome, do as Romans do – you are paying for it anyway.

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    Great post, and I wholeheartedly agree with your points. However, while in America it's also true that easy credit has factored in that much will never be repaid, it's only true for some people. Many who over-borrowed on their homes, refinancing again and again to extract cash with which they financed extravagant lifestyles indeed got away scot-free. They get to turn around, move to another state, and do the same thing all over again. Many others blithely walk away from credit-card debt, auto-loan debt, medical debt, what have you.

    But many others among us couldn't walk away from a single penny of debt if we tried, and not (just) because we're highly-principled. Rather, because the rules are applied differently to different people---and particularly if you are not 'politically-favored' or have assets you can't or won't hide---your feet will most definitely be held to the fire.

    The availability of 'easy credit' is just one more way in which the responsible members of society pay for the irresponsible. It's yet another form of taxation---complete with 'reverse disparate impact'---and it most definitely applies to countries as well as citizens. Hence Germans continue to work hard (and smart), day in and day out, while Greeks (and others) continue to live well beyond their means.

    , @anon
    Usury* is parasitic and promoted by parasites.

    Until people realize this, usury will continue to destroy one civilization after another.

    (*for consumption, money-lending to increase production is different)
  75. peterike says:

    Apparently, the Mooslem fellow who happened to be sitting in the truck when it ran down all those people in Berlin has been killed by an Italian cop.

    Hilariously, the idiot German newspaper Bild throws up the headline: “It’s over!”

    Silly Germans. It has barely even begun.

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  76. Jack D says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    I dunno. Munich was embarrassing, but the targets were Israelis. Similarly, the 9/11 targets were in the US. Until Merkel's Boner, maybe anti-terrorism wasn't a priority for Germany.

    Or maybe they look at France and see it has lots of anti-terror capabilities and still gets hit (Britain has done better; Ed West credits MI5).

    German manufacturers still dominate. The VW scandal was the German response to cognitive dissonance (Americans love diesel but want to be told fairy tales about diesel emissions).

    Americans don’t love diesels – they think of them as noisy and smokey and smelly. Modern diesels aren’t anything like that but they do give off invisible NOx unless you take special (read expensive) measures (urea injection) which economy car buyers don’t like to pay for. The only reason the American public loved VW diesels (and VW was the only mfr to sell a lot of diesel cars in the US) is because VW lied to them about how clean and green they were and how they didn’t have to deal with a urea tank.

    We tend to think of Germans as being honest people but they also have their devious and secretive side. Wealthy Germans love to hide their money under webs of offshore corporations and trusts so complex that no one can unravel them. The Holocaust was pulled off under such a veil of secrecy that there are people who deny that it happened to this very day. It’s really amazing that VW was able to maintain such secrecy about their diesel fraud for so long. In an American company, some disloyal employee would have ratted them out years earlier.

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    Modern diesels still smell.
    , @anon
    The Holocaust was pulled off under such a veil of secrecy ...

    But isn't the whole world condemned today because everybody knew!
  77. Mr. Anon says:
    @Steve Richter
    Heck, look at WWII for examples of the contradiction of German excellence and incompetence. Going to war against Russia without a heavy bomber. Allowing Hitler to run the country, then failing to execute an assassination. The encirclement of its army at Stalingrad.

    Yes, the Germans’ conduct of the war (war being something they were known for being especially good at) belies the idea that they are supremely competent. They are certainly, as a people, of above average competence, among the most competent in the world, even But even that couldn’t save them from their own hubris.

    It’s a lesson that the Untited States would do well to learn by example before we are taught by experience.

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  78. Mr. Anon says:
    @ggg
    Why do you people want inmigrants to assimilate to western pop culture when you people find the very same culture to be sick?

    “Why do you people want inmigrants to assimilate to western pop culture when you people find the very same culture to be sick?”

    Why? Because we don’t, and your characterization is wrong.

    For myself, I don’t want immigrants to assimilate. I want them to not be immigrants – i.e., to not come here.

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  79. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Angela Merkel assumed the office of the chancellorship in 2000. She’s been leading Germany for 16 years. Several of the offenses cited above happened during her term of office. She does not give German industry and finance the watchdog oversight they need to stay honest. She does not give German people the security they need to stay safe.

    All of the above is a sign of a lousy leader. She can do all these things if she wants to. It’s not like running Germany is a more difficult task like running a big country like the US, or a big country with daunting institutional problems like Russia or China or India. Merkel is running a country that’s more the size of Great Britain, and Germany happens to be populated by intelligent and productive people. Running Germany should be within a capabilities of any leader with a normal capacity to manage, but Merkel is fumbling things.

    If Merkel is choosing to turn a blind eye towards the illegal antics of her county’s businesses, and she floods the labor market with cheap foreign workers that those businesses happen to love because they can undercut wages that the native Germans would demand, then by God, it looks an awful lot like Merkel is totally choosing to be the complete and utter tool of those businesses. As part of the arrangement, she gets a quid pro quo. The businesses cough up generous cash for her political campaigns and her party, and they help maintain her in power. In return, she winks at what they do and takes her marching orders from them. She also screws over the majority of her countrymen deliberately.

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  80. @Steve Richter
    Have ethnic Germans contributed to pop culture? Any comics, talk show hosts, rock musicians, TV or movie actors? Have German Jews been just as successful as Eastern European and Russian Jews in the Arts?

    German thrash metal was good in its heyday, as well as Rammstein. A number of German TV shows were successful in Hungary (I don’t know about other countries) like Derrick (crime show) and Black Forest Clinic (a show about a hospital in the 80s I think). The Western stories of Karl May and the (East German) TV shows and movies made from them were popular as well in the 80s and, as far as I know, May’s books and the comic books made from them are still popular among portions of the youth.

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  81. @Jack D
    Americans don't love diesels - they think of them as noisy and smokey and smelly. Modern diesels aren't anything like that but they do give off invisible NOx unless you take special (read expensive) measures (urea injection) which economy car buyers don't like to pay for. The only reason the American public loved VW diesels (and VW was the only mfr to sell a lot of diesel cars in the US) is because VW lied to them about how clean and green they were and how they didn't have to deal with a urea tank.

    We tend to think of Germans as being honest people but they also have their devious and secretive side. Wealthy Germans love to hide their money under webs of offshore corporations and trusts so complex that no one can unravel them. The Holocaust was pulled off under such a veil of secrecy that there are people who deny that it happened to this very day. It's really amazing that VW was able to maintain such secrecy about their diesel fraud for so long. In an American company, some disloyal employee would have ratted them out years earlier.

    Modern diesels still smell.

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    I think the difference between old and new diesels is that the former's smell is more immediate and the smoke is more visible. But the smoke and the smell were coming from big visible particles and they quickly settled down. Whereas the new diesels emit small invisible particles (and fewer of them) that stay in the air for a long time. This means that if you have a city full of diesels, the smell won't be much different for the new or old, but when being immediately next to a running diesel car, the newer ones will be better.
  82. @Jack D
    I don't know what the German's long term plans were for the rest of the world but as for Russia the long term plan was to exterminate the Slavs and replace them with Germans. They had no compunction about killing millions of Slavs because these were people who were going to be written out of history anyway. As soon as they were done running the Jews thru their death factories they were ready to move on to the next race slated for elimination.

    With unlimited Lebensraum and fascist ideology, maybe Hitler could have gotten German birth rates up to the kind of birth rates we see in the Moslem world so 80 million Germans could have become 560 million. The population of Saudi Arabia has increased sevenfold since 1960.

    The US was (barely) able to endure a Cold War with a bunch of people who like to drink bath lotion. Who knows whether we could have stood up to 500 million Nazis?

    Himmler also had schemes to propagate for birth control among the Slavs, giving them advice like this. He wanted Slavs to understand that under German rule, the only way to have a decent living standard was to have no children, or at most one child.

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  83. Randal says:

    Is being a “Potemkin society” worse or better than being a society in which the military and intelligence services openly defy the civil authority (and their commander in chief) and get away with it?

    How The Military Excluded The White House From International Syria Negotiations

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  84. Thomas says:
    @Pseudonymic Handle
    Merkel's Boner was a disastrous decision, but the decision to shut down the nuclear power plants and put a lot of money in solar power was even more bizarre given how rarely Germany (and western Europe generally) sees the sun.
    I expect Merkel, a physics PhD and a former quantum chemistry researcher, understands this energy stuff really well.
    I think Merkel is just a populist, doing what she thinks most germans want at that moment. If the people start demanding antiterrorist measures she will do that in a heartbeat.
    BTW many military observers were critical of german military performance in Afghanistan and the Bundeswehr is seriously underfunded to the extent that vehicle combat readiness is below 50%.

    The Bundeswehr might have been one of the strongest three militaries in the world as late as the 1980s, when it had half a million members, and was probably pound-for-pound the strongest. (Unsurprising, given that West Germany was expected to become the front line of World War III any day.) Now it’s not considered a reliable partner by anyone in NATO. More than half its aircraft are also non-deployable.

    Heckler & Koch, which is basically Germany’s national armory for small arms, had a reputation from at least the 1980s or so on for making badass, ultra-reliable guns for “operators.” Their MP-5 submachinegun was the go-to weapon for SWAT teams and special operations forces all over the world after it was spotted being used by British SAS commandos in a hostage rescue in 1980. Fast forward to this century, they’ve increasingly become known for making flashy, overpriced, and increasingly unreliable crud they can leverage their former reputation to sell on government contracts or to “mall ninja” civilians in the US. Their futuristic G36 assault rifle, which was adopted as the general issue rifle by the Bundeswehr and a lot of law enforcement agencies in other countries, was proven in Afghanistan to be underengineered and to overheat and become inaccurate with sustained firing, and is being phased out after less than 20 years of service.

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    The Bundeswehr might have been one of the strongest three militaries in the world as late as the 1980s .... Now it’s not considered a reliable partner ....
     
    The British armed forces seem to have followed a similar downward path. They performed well in the Falklands and the 1st Gulf War, but their performance in the 2nd was such a fiasco that they had to be rescued by the US Army.
    They tried to redeem themselves in Afghanistan but it did not go well; in fact, their dismal performance led Col. Michael Killion, G-3 of the 22nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, to say that all the British did was sit on their asses and take casualties.
    It seems that once the Cold War ended, the Europeans saw no need to maintain competent militaries and let them deteriorate.
  85. SD says:

    A merry Christmas to you, Steve! I’ve been following your blog way back since 2001. Your high standards of journalism, and your tongue in cheek humor, has been a regular part of my morning reading. In fact, one of the first things I read every morning is your blog. Keep it up!

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  86. MEH 0910 says:

    Okay well I’m gonna take a little time off now after post 11 new blog items in one dayd to, like, buy Christmas presents for my loved ones.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/okay-now-i-really-have-to-clean-out-my-garage/#comment-1517152

    It’s never too late to procrastinate!

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  87. J1234 says:

    195,000 comments for 2016

    Merry Christmas, Steve. (that’s 195,001 comments)

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  88. Thomas says:
    @Anonymous
    Interesting post.
    A few points to make in reply.

    It should never be forgotten that *the* defining charactetistic of post 1945 west, at least, German life is post-Hitler guilt. Plus the ignominy of being a loser nation. A big time loser infact. The biggest loser in the history of creation - and considering the destruction it wrought, a nation that got off remarkably lightly from retributitative punishment.

    Also we must allow the Germans, until recently a wholly German nation, the blue eyed naivety of not fully understanding the wiles and ways of duskier folk who don't play the game by German rules.
    On the question of German industry, Germany is very good at what Germany does. Don't let anyone fool you otherwise. Also, this meme that somehow the EU and that thoroughly misbegotten, missold misjudged and disastrous push to European monetary union is a German racket, is a deliberate misinterpretation of the facts. Monetary union has been a disaster for Germany and a fraud and lie upon the German people, who will inevitably be forced to pay for other peoples debts contrary to political promises. The idea that the Euro is a device to boost German exports at other nations expense is economically illiterate.
    Germans, generally, were and are very pro EU. This is the post-Hitler guilt thing all over again. Making amends to a Europe you destroyed, and trying to submerge the old identity into something new.

    Also we must allow the Germans, until recently a wholly German nation, the blue eyed naivety of not fully understanding the wiles and ways of duskier folk who don’t play the game by German rules.

    That’s hard to accept from the country that gave us the term and the concept “Realpolitik.” Though it’s possible that that was only a brief period under one particular Chancellor (it certainly didn’t last after he was sacked). Maybe the post-1945 fall really was too steep.

    Here’s an interesting question: did the reconfiguration of Germany after 1945 (the cession of territory and then the division into East and West) lead to this mass cultural psychological problem with the Germans, by splitting up German states with different histories and approaches to the world? I associate the stronger, harder, and more realistic German approaches to politics with Prussia (the Hohenzollerns and Bismarck) but Prussia was destroyed by the end of WWII (most of it became part of Poland and the rest was trapped under Communism for 40 years).

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    Bavaria is now seen as the saner, more realistic region.
    , @Skeptikal
    " I associate the stronger, harder, and more realistic German approaches to politics with Prussia (the Hohenzollerns and Bismarck) but Prussia was destroyed by the end of WWII (most of it became part of Poland and the rest was trapped under Communism for 40 years)."

    Interesting points.
    Prussia was the driving force behind the unification of Germany in 1871.
    The Austrian Hitler---human detritus of WWI and the breakup of Austro-Hungary--was the driving force behind the destruction of the (then) recently unified German nation.
    Prussia was the "modernizing" factor in many respects. Modern army/education system/transportation infrastructure/administration and bureaucracy (including record keeping and govt finance)/finance (modern govt accounting)/technology (chemistry/electrical/transportation).

    Bavaria and its capital, Munich, was and to an extent is still seen as artistic and "soulful"---the opposite of Prussia and "de Preisse'". Munich is where Hitler got his first toehold in Germany.

    Not sure whether Bavaria/Munich are more "realist" than Berlin/Brandenburg/northeastern Germany. Munich now is the German and maybe European capital of conspicuous consumption.

  89. @Steve Richter
    Have ethnic Germans contributed to pop culture? Any comics, talk show hosts, rock musicians, TV or movie actors? Have German Jews been just as successful as Eastern European and Russian Jews in the Arts?

    Weimar culture was very creative in both the arts, film and music. It had a large Jewish component of course and many of most creative non-Jews fled from Hitler with their Jewish (also true of some scientists). Leni Rifenstahl was probably the most talented artist who stayed (did not work out for her in the long-run though). After the war the culture took a pretty big hit. I saw a lot of Herzog and other German movies and boy they don’t brighten up your day. However, the Germans did produce some good synth rock music. I was a big fan of Bauhaus & Kraftwerk in my youth. Interesting comparison to France. A snobby French friend of mine looked away embarrassed when I asked him about French Rock

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    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    "A snobby French friend of mine looked away embarrassed when I asked him about French Rock"

    Daft Punk are pretty good, I suppose they're not exactly rock.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOngRDVtEQI

  90. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

    Okay well I’m gonna take a little time off now after post 11 new blog items in one dayd to, like, buy Christmas presents for my loved ones.
     
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/okay-now-i-really-have-to-clean-out-my-garage/#comment-1517152

    It’s never too late to procrastinate!
     

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  91. @reiner Tor
    Modern diesels still smell.

    I think the difference between old and new diesels is that the former’s smell is more immediate and the smoke is more visible. But the smoke and the smell were coming from big visible particles and they quickly settled down. Whereas the new diesels emit small invisible particles (and fewer of them) that stay in the air for a long time. This means that if you have a city full of diesels, the smell won’t be much different for the new or old, but when being immediately next to a running diesel car, the newer ones will be better.

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  92. Matra says:

    The Bundeswehr might have been one of the strongest three militaries in the world as late as the 1980s, when it had half a million members, and was probably pound-for-pound the strongest. (Unsurprising, given that West Germany was expected to become the front line of World War III any day.) Now it’s not considered a reliable partner by anyone in NATO. More than half its aircraft are also non-deployable

    German army paints broomsticks black to resemble machine guns

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    German army paints broomsticks black to resemble machine guns
     
    Geez, I didn't expect the Potemkin metaphor to be that literal!

    The Europeans may need to have a long hard think about their own security soon. In addition to the Middle Eastern and African Camps of the Saints, Trump's election may mean a definite scaling back of American commitment to the Continent's defense (assuming that NATO is even still a viable and credible alliance when it means commitment to war in defense of the Baltics or Islamist Turkey).
    , @G Pinfold
    Wooden rifles sounds like a new-recruit humiliation ritual. In the same way, my cohort wore crappy overalls and steel helmets for at least the first twelve weeks. The point being, cool fatigues and comfortable/natty headgear were for soldiers; not for bandits, pirates, imposters and other scum.
    This sounds different in that newbies would not have been would not have been involved in war games. Strange.
  93. 5371 says:
    @Lot
    Obama planned to let pass a UN resolution calling all Israeli settlements illegal. Trump called up Egypt, the sponsor of the resolution, and got them to withdraw it.

    He will be the strongest friend of Israel of any US president.

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/middle-east/idUSKBN14B033?il=0

    It wasn’t withdrawn for long! The Security Council has passed it with the US abstaining. Imagine that!

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  94. @ggg
    Why do you people want inmigrants to assimilate to western pop culture when you people find the very same culture to be sick?

    Why do you people want inmigrants to assimilate to western pop culture when you people find the very same culture to be sick?

    (a) We don’t, if we can get them to assimilate to western civilizational norms instead. Maybe then they can talk our clueless ruling class into it.

    (b) Failing that, an invading army with the flu will likely do less damage than a healthy one

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  95. anon says: • Disclaimer

    well… if the 195k comments is as of now-ish, all you need is 25% more comments than normal next week to break 200k!

    i’m optimistic, because, as we all know, people are most productive next week…

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  96. @Jack D
    I don't know what the German's long term plans were for the rest of the world but as for Russia the long term plan was to exterminate the Slavs and replace them with Germans. They had no compunction about killing millions of Slavs because these were people who were going to be written out of history anyway. As soon as they were done running the Jews thru their death factories they were ready to move on to the next race slated for elimination.

    With unlimited Lebensraum and fascist ideology, maybe Hitler could have gotten German birth rates up to the kind of birth rates we see in the Moslem world so 80 million Germans could have become 560 million. The population of Saudi Arabia has increased sevenfold since 1960.

    The US was (barely) able to endure a Cold War with a bunch of people who like to drink bath lotion. Who knows whether we could have stood up to 500 million Nazis?

    Jack D writes: “The US was (barely) able to endure a Cold War with a bunch of people who like to drink bath lotion. Who knows whether we could have stood up to 500 million Nazis?”

    Sorry, Jack D, for not understanding your allusions. What was this bath lotion, and who were drinking it (Americans? Russians?). Please explain.

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  97. melendwyr says: • Website
    @ggg
    Why do you people want inmigrants to assimilate to western pop culture when you people find the very same culture to be sick?

    Who wants anybody to assimilate to ‘western pop culture’? Pretty much everyone here wants the mainstream culture to be replaced – the disagreements arise over what to replace it with and how.

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  98. @Thomas

    Also we must allow the Germans, until recently a wholly German nation, the blue eyed naivety of not fully understanding the wiles and ways of duskier folk who don’t play the game by German rules.
     
    That's hard to accept from the country that gave us the term and the concept "Realpolitik." Though it's possible that that was only a brief period under one particular Chancellor (it certainly didn't last after he was sacked). Maybe the post-1945 fall really was too steep.

    Here's an interesting question: did the reconfiguration of Germany after 1945 (the cession of territory and then the division into East and West) lead to this mass cultural psychological problem with the Germans, by splitting up German states with different histories and approaches to the world? I associate the stronger, harder, and more realistic German approaches to politics with Prussia (the Hohenzollerns and Bismarck) but Prussia was destroyed by the end of WWII (most of it became part of Poland and the rest was trapped under Communism for 40 years).

    Bavaria is now seen as the saner, more realistic region.

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    Perhaps parts of ex-E. Germany would be grouped in that category as well.
  99. Merry Christmas

    And a Fröhliche Weihnachten für Sie und deine

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  100. @Opinionator
    Bavaria is now seen as the saner, more realistic region.

    Perhaps parts of ex-E. Germany would be grouped in that category as well.

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  101. utu says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    I dunno. Munich was embarrassing, but the targets were Israelis. Similarly, the 9/11 targets were in the US. Until Merkel's Boner, maybe anti-terrorism wasn't a priority for Germany.

    Or maybe they look at France and see it has lots of anti-terror capabilities and still gets hit (Britain has done better; Ed West credits MI5).

    German manufacturers still dominate. The VW scandal was the German response to cognitive dissonance (Americans love diesel but want to be told fairy tales about diesel emissions).

    Germany’s Grenzschutz did very well in Mogadishu.

    The Berlin attack should be more worrisome as it may indicate that German police or special forces got infiltrated by the same characters who organize similar happenings and real events in other parts of the world, meaning that Germany’s sovereignty was compromised.

    Germany is still doing the best it can under the duress. It was not Germany that participated in war on Libya or war on Syria. It was not Germany that cut UN funding to refugees camps in Turkey and Jordan. It was not Germany that printed maps and invitations to Germany for refugees. It was not Germany that provided money to smugglers to bring refugees to Greece. It was not Germany that organized refugees in marching columns of young single men?

    Yes, it was Merkel on the faithful night in September 2015 in cooperation with Austria made the announcement of letting people in but what was her other option? I see her action as the Aikido move to take away the force form the aggressor. She deflected the blow which possible intention was to create crisis in Europe and give total support to American coalition to bomb Syria and also to torpedo Obama’s agreement with Iran. Merkel diffused the crisis and gave Putin few extra weeks to move to Syria.

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    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    This is the textbook definition of triple bankshot logic.
    , @ben tillman

    Germany is still doing the best it can under the duress. It was not Germany that participated in war on Libya or war on Syria. It was not Germany that cut UN funding to refugees camps in Turkey and Jordan. It was not Germany that printed maps and invitations to Germany for refugees. It was not Germany that provided money to smugglers to bring refugees to Greece. It was not Germany that organized refugees in marching columns of young single men?

    Yes, it was Merkel on the faithful night in September 2015 in cooperation with Austria made the announcement of letting people in but what was her other option?
     
    Turn them away.
    , @Opinionator
    "It was not Germany who ... Etc."

    So who was it?
    , @bomag

    It was not Germany that printed maps and invitations to Germany for refugees. It was not Germany that provided money to smugglers to bring refugees to Greece.
     
    These are then the enemies of Germany, and steps should be taken against them. I suggest artillery barrages.
  102. utu says:
    @Pseudonymic Handle
    Merkel's Boner was a disastrous decision, but the decision to shut down the nuclear power plants and put a lot of money in solar power was even more bizarre given how rarely Germany (and western Europe generally) sees the sun.
    I expect Merkel, a physics PhD and a former quantum chemistry researcher, understands this energy stuff really well.
    I think Merkel is just a populist, doing what she thinks most germans want at that moment. If the people start demanding antiterrorist measures she will do that in a heartbeat.
    BTW many military observers were critical of german military performance in Afghanistan and the Bundeswehr is seriously underfunded to the extent that vehicle combat readiness is below 50%.

    “the extent that vehicle combat readiness is below 50%”

    In 1938 during Austria Anschluss most of Wehrmacht vehicles broke down (Allan Bullock in “Hitler”)

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    In 1938 during Austria Anschluss most of Wehrmacht vehicles broke down
     
    That served as a learning experience for later campaigns.

    WWII German army made extensive use of horse drawn logistics.
  103. @Vinay
    " The VW scandal was the German response to cognitive dissonance"

    Regardless of the ethics, the VW scandal was a colossal management failure which exposed the company to staggering losses for dubious gains. Since the topic is German organizational competence, the VW scandal is exactly the kind of thing which calls German competence into question.

    Vinay, the problem at VW wasn’t really “management” or “competence” (they aren’t lacking there) but rather “governance.” By that, I mean, the problems lie at the very top and with the founder’s descendants, particularly Ferdinand Piech.

    It’s not as though a whole bunch of VW middle managers were playing games, unsupervised.

    The deception involving the diesel exhaust pollution tests didn’t bubble up from the middle or lower ranks of management. Nor was it some crazy idea of the guys in the US subsidiary.

    Rather, it came from the CEO Ferdinand Piech, himself.

    The heavily unequal voting rights given to the special class of shares held by the family trust gave that one man control over the company. And, as his voting rights were vastly in excess of his actual economic interest, the enjoyment he got from exercising organizational power was much greater than his concern about maximizing his wealth.

    Admittedly, there is probably something genuinely psychopathic about Piech.

    That’s obviously bad.

    But, solving that problem is not as difficult as it would be to clean up the entire managerial class in Germany.

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  104. Anonym says:
    @Austrian
    Governance is child's play, if you are governing Germans.

    The German government has been unable to deal with Arab gangs for decades. These gangs use such sophisticated techniques as throwing their ID away, not showing up for court dates, not properly declaring their primary residence, etc. Also they promise to stop committing crimes to get suspended sentences, but then they commit crimes anyway.

    The Berlin bus attack and the embarrassingly absurd pixelated manhunt for this notorious criminal just exposes what has been going on in immigrant neighborhoods for decades. All of this is also true for other northern European countries. The difference between reality and the stereotype is largest for Germany though. The German police state is a potemkin village. The facade was built by Hollywood though.

    Governance is child’s play, if you are governing Germans.

    That is an insightful comment. As you imply, it holds for most of Europe as well. It’s easy to police law abiding people. People are generally not aware that it doesn’t take many people who commit crimes at an order of magnitude greater rates, speak an impenetrable language and don’t inform on their kin, to bring a police precinct to its knees. Even the order of magnitude greater crime rates is enough to do that, coupled with the economic uselessness of the new people to pay for the existing police let alone an order of magnitude greater number of police.

    It really is a thin blue line. If it only takes a few Muslims to create no-go zones, it wouldn’t take too many patriots to make life hell for the traitor government. Surely some of the most redpilled would be in the police itself. Some deliberate incompetence on their part would be very helpful in certain circumstances. We only have to look at the examples of the IRA to see what is possible with the support of a lot of the population, if people are willing to “go there”.

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    "We only have to look at the examples of the IRA to see what is possible with the support of a lot of the population, if people are willing to “go there”."

    Catholics on both sides of the border were given a very Irish version of history at school, the Four Green Fields, Drogheda and the Famine loomed large.

    UK schools and media are nonstop SJW propaganda. The young people are most SJW of all.
  105. utu says:

    “the VW emissions scandal” – There is more to it. Somebody pulled the plug on it. The timing is everything. About the same time when a high ranking German officer was shot in Iraq and refugees started flowing to Germany. More recent threat by the UE to make Apple pay billions for not paying taxes in Ireland despite of Irish objections is a pay back for the VW.

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  106. Rod1963 says:
    @NOTA
    Terrorism really is a small problem in terms of number of fatalities. And I may be missing something, but I'm not sure what counterterrorism policies would have helped Germany in the last few years--their problems seem to be related to immigration and EU-wide open borders.

    A good CT policy = proper vetting and only allowing immigrants whose culture and values are in sync with German ones. That precludes Muslims and Africans.

    Of this would mean noticing that Muslims and Africans are not the same as Europeans at all which is verboten.

    By failing to do this they now have Muzzies going around and raping German children and adults, committing crimes and turning public pools into rape factories and public toilets.

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  107. MBlanc46 says:
    @ggg
    Why do you people want inmigrants to assimilate to western pop culture when you people find the very same culture to be sick?

    I don’t them to assimilate. I want them to not be here.

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  108. Thought you might like to know, a hot college football blogger/radio guy/TV guy Clay Travis has Noticed some things. http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/all-that-and-a-bag-of-mail-122316

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  109. Very OT:

    I wanted to donate some $ to Steve and ran across the BTC option via Coinbase on his guide. I’ve been wanting to dabble in BTC for a while, so I opened a Coinbase account with a fairly small initial funding.

    I start looking around and find all sorts of uniformly bad reviews/warnings about Coinbase. So now I’m freaking a bit – is my wife going to leave me after they drain my bank account? Are they thieves or merely incompetent at times?

    Any advice/expertise would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.

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    if you are worried about the sketchiness of the bitcoin ecosystem (as I am, a blockchain-entrepreneur!), you can use bitquick.co in which you take cash (!) to a bank and deposit it into an account they assign to you (!!!). the money laundering feel notwithstanding, the most you can lose is the cash you take to the bank.

    that and the legal fees when you are on a watchlist...
    , @Karl
    Cash/checks/moneyOrders talks, bullshit walks. iSteve publishes his postal address
  110. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    A “reasonable” counter terrorist force, lol. GSG9 is widely considered to be the best in the field. Various Israeli generals have said they think its the best in the world, and it regularly ranks highest in rankings of counter terrorist forces.

    And of course, all those BMWs are just illusions…yes, a real Potemkin society.

    Ridiculousness aside, I can believe Germany hasn’t developed a great defense establishment, much like Japan has a pretty ridiculous army now…oh wait, maybe Japan is also a Potemkin society.

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    • Replies: @Parbes
    The problem with both Germany and Japan is that they have been supine U.S. vassal states since the end of World War II, under the thumb or massive influence of the U.S. politically, militarily, economically, socially and culturally. Neither one is truly sovereign or free.
    , @Romanian
    The Japanese can self-defense quite a number of countries to death if they have to!
  111. Thomas says:
    @Matra
    The Bundeswehr might have been one of the strongest three militaries in the world as late as the 1980s, when it had half a million members, and was probably pound-for-pound the strongest. (Unsurprising, given that West Germany was expected to become the front line of World War III any day.) Now it’s not considered a reliable partner by anyone in NATO. More than half its aircraft are also non-deployable

    German army paints broomsticks black to resemble machine guns

    German army paints broomsticks black to resemble machine guns

    Geez, I didn’t expect the Potemkin metaphor to be that literal!

    The Europeans may need to have a long hard think about their own security soon. In addition to the Middle Eastern and African Camps of the Saints, Trump’s election may mean a definite scaling back of American commitment to the Continent’s defense (assuming that NATO is even still a viable and credible alliance when it means commitment to war in defense of the Baltics or Islamist Turkey).

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    • Replies: @David Davenport
    In addition to the Middle Eastern and African Camps of the Saints, Trump’s election may mean a definite scaling back of American commitment to the Continent’s defense

    Claim: the "Content" has sunk to a dependent, somewhat incompetent condition-- politically, culturally, and in other ways because Europe has allowed its military force and forces to atrophy. Trump might be doing Europa a failure by threatening to pull back from Europe.

    (assuming that NATO is even still a viable and credible alliance when it means commitment to war in defense of the Baltics or Islamist Turkey).

    Turkey would have to be kicked out of a revitalized NATO. My prediction is that Turkey is going to become more and more Islamic and worthless.

    NATO needs change. The current set-up is out of date.

  112. “It’s actually possible that the Germans really do suck at internal security and antiterrorism.”

    There was a time when they were pretty good at, er, “internal security”. That was back in the Bad Old Days –which they are trying to forget. And to their detriment.

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  113. Whoever says:
    @Thomas
    The Bundeswehr might have been one of the strongest three militaries in the world as late as the 1980s, when it had half a million members, and was probably pound-for-pound the strongest. (Unsurprising, given that West Germany was expected to become the front line of World War III any day.) Now it's not considered a reliable partner by anyone in NATO. More than half its aircraft are also non-deployable.

    Heckler & Koch, which is basically Germany's national armory for small arms, had a reputation from at least the 1980s or so on for making badass, ultra-reliable guns for "operators." Their MP-5 submachinegun was the go-to weapon for SWAT teams and special operations forces all over the world after it was spotted being used by British SAS commandos in a hostage rescue in 1980. Fast forward to this century, they've increasingly become known for making flashy, overpriced, and increasingly unreliable crud they can leverage their former reputation to sell on government contracts or to "mall ninja" civilians in the US. Their futuristic G36 assault rifle, which was adopted as the general issue rifle by the Bundeswehr and a lot of law enforcement agencies in other countries, was proven in Afghanistan to be underengineered and to overheat and become inaccurate with sustained firing, and is being phased out after less than 20 years of service.

    The Bundeswehr might have been one of the strongest three militaries in the world as late as the 1980s …. Now it’s not considered a reliable partner ….

    The British armed forces seem to have followed a similar downward path. They performed well in the Falklands and the 1st Gulf War, but their performance in the 2nd was such a fiasco that they had to be rescued by the US Army.
    They tried to redeem themselves in Afghanistan but it did not go well; in fact, their dismal performance led Col. Michael Killion, G-3 of the 22nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, to say that all the British did was sit on their asses and take casualties.
    It seems that once the Cold War ended, the Europeans saw no need to maintain competent militaries and let them deteriorate.

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    Correction: 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, not 22nd.
    , @Bill Jones
    And they were correct, why should they subsidise the global hegemonic designs of the DC Neocon filh?
    , @anon

    It seems that once the Cold War ended, the Europeans saw no need to maintain competent militaries and let them deteriorate.
     
    The EU has been deliberately down grading the national militaries in preparation for dissolving them and creating an EU military - which given the nature of the EU will be primarily a para-military intended to keep the native population down.

    Which means they will recruit lots of north Africans into it for diversity.

    What happens after that should be obvious.
  114. Whoever says:
    @Whoever

    The Bundeswehr might have been one of the strongest three militaries in the world as late as the 1980s .... Now it’s not considered a reliable partner ....
     
    The British armed forces seem to have followed a similar downward path. They performed well in the Falklands and the 1st Gulf War, but their performance in the 2nd was such a fiasco that they had to be rescued by the US Army.
    They tried to redeem themselves in Afghanistan but it did not go well; in fact, their dismal performance led Col. Michael Killion, G-3 of the 22nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, to say that all the British did was sit on their asses and take casualties.
    It seems that once the Cold War ended, the Europeans saw no need to maintain competent militaries and let them deteriorate.

    Correction: 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, not 22nd.

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  115. Marat says:
    @German_reader
    Parts of Germany are certainly already highly dysfunctional, e.g. North Rhine-Westphalia (ruined by decades of leftist mismanagement) and Berlin; and even many regions that once were quite nice are on a downwards trajectory, standards are generally slipping in many areas (e.g. Greens and Social Democrats have managed to ruin Baden-Württemberg's education system within the space of just a few years).
    Potemkin society may be a fitting description, on the outside Germany may still look fairly successful, but if current trends continue I have no doubt that its future will be very, very bleak (which is pretty bad for me since I'm kind of stuck here :-(

    Most Americans scratch their head wondering why Merkel is not under more pressure than she is. A knowledgeable friend remarked that it’s her partnership with the Greens that makes her actions difficult to understand.

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  116. @Thomas

    German army paints broomsticks black to resemble machine guns
     
    Geez, I didn't expect the Potemkin metaphor to be that literal!

    The Europeans may need to have a long hard think about their own security soon. In addition to the Middle Eastern and African Camps of the Saints, Trump's election may mean a definite scaling back of American commitment to the Continent's defense (assuming that NATO is even still a viable and credible alliance when it means commitment to war in defense of the Baltics or Islamist Turkey).

    In addition to the Middle Eastern and African Camps of the Saints, Trump’s election may mean a definite scaling back of American commitment to the Continent’s defense

    Claim: the “Content” has sunk to a dependent, somewhat incompetent condition– politically, culturally, and in other ways because Europe has allowed its military force and forces to atrophy. Trump might be doing Europa a failure by threatening to pull back from Europe.

    (assuming that NATO is even still a viable and credible alliance when it means commitment to war in defense of the Baltics or Islamist Turkey).

    Turkey would have to be kicked out of a revitalized NATO. My prediction is that Turkey is going to become more and more Islamic and worthless.

    NATO needs change. The current set-up is out of date.

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    Turkey would have to be kicked out of a revitalized NATO. My prediction is that Turkey is going to become more and more Islamic and worthless.
     
    Absolutely. In years gone by, the murder of an ambassador would have been a casus belli. Erdogan was mad enough to purge his security forces, and leave the Russian Ambassador undefended (according to his widow). If Turkey and Russia end up at war, why should Europe and North America have any obligation to fight on Turkey's side?
  117. @Jack D
    This was the solution to Anis Amri's Catch-22 - they could neither detain nor deport him because he had no documents so they should have just jailed him for failing to pay his GEZ. They got Al Capone for income tax evasion, not for murdering people.

    Good thinking, but nope, wouldn’t do. People on welfare are exempt, 99% of ‘refugees’ are…

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  118. Skylurk says:
    @Hepp
    Hilarious timely article from Bloomberg

    As Germany wrestles with the political and economic fallout of surging immigration, one thing has become clear. The foreigners are giving the country something it needs: more babies.

    In 2015, Germany’s birthrate rose to 1.5 per woman, the highest in 33 years. The state statistics service attributed the increase mainly to foreign-born mothers, who accounted for a record-high 1 in 5 births. German-born moms have an average of 1.4 kids; for foreign-born women, the figure is higher than 1.9. “It’s much easier to be a family and have kids here,” says Basima Shhadat, who gave birth to a daughter in Munich in 2015, a year after arriving from Syria with her husband and five sons. Four other sons died in Syria, she says. “My kids can live here. There are no bombs.”

     

    Yes, why not? Have 9 kids in Syria, lose 4 to the jihad, keep 5 others, go to Merkel's Germany so you can have a few more. No way that this can go wrong.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-15/europe-s-migrant-flood-brings-germany-a-much-needed-baby-boom

    The foreigners are giving the country something it needs: more babies.

    That is one of the saddest statements I have read. Bloomberg inhabits a reality in which Western culture, tradition, and public safety are irrelevant compared with immigrant baby factories churning out more future consumers.

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    Bloomberg inhabits a reality in which Western culture, tradition, and public safety are irrelevant compared with immigrant baby factories churning out more future consumers
     
    Or maybe their pro-immigration arguments are simply a smoke screen for divide and rule.
  119. Svigor says:

    As soon as they were done running the Jews thru their death factories they were ready to move on to the next race slated for elimination.

    Industrialization increases efficiency. The “death factories” seem to have decreased it; the Hutus achieved a substantially higher death rate in the Rwandan Genocide doing it all by hand, with machetes.

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    Industrialization increases efficiency. The “death factories” seem to have decreased it; the Hutus achieved a substantially higher death rate in the Rwandan Genocide doing it all by hand, with machetes.
     
    I think that the Nazis probably reached a peak in terms of killing efficiency during period stretching from the Summer of 1941 to the Spring of 1942. During that period they killed approx 2 million+ Soviet POWS and 500,000 + Jews. And those totals were largely achieved via starvation and mass shootings.

    My understanding is that one of the reasons for the shift to gassing involved Himmler's concern over the psychological toll that mass shootings exacted on German soldiers:

    After a time, Himmler found that the killing methods used by the Einsatzgruppen were inefficient: they were costly, demoralising for the troops, and sometimes did not kill the victims quickly enough.[104] Many of the troops found the massacres to be difficult if not impossible to perform. Some of the perpetrators suffered physical and mental health problems, and many turned to drink.[105] As much as possible, the Einsatzgruppen leaders militarized the genocide. The historian Christian Ingrao notes an attempt was made to make the shootings a collective act without individual responsibility. Framing the shootings in this way was not psychologically sufficient for every perpetrator to feel absolved of guilt.[106] Browning notes three categories of potential perpetrators: those who were eager to participate right from the start, those who participated in spite of moral qualms because they were ordered to do so, and a significant minority who refused to take part.[107] A few men spontaneously became excessively brutal in their killing methods and their zeal for the task. Commander of Einsatzgruppe D, SS-Gruppenführer Otto Ohlendorf, particularly noted this propensity towards excess, and ordered that any man who was too eager to participate or too brutal should not perform any further executions
     

    During a visit to Minsk in August 1941, Himmler witnessed an Einsatzgruppen mass execution first-hand and concluded that shooting Jews was too stressful for his men.[109] By November he made arrangements for any SS men suffering ill health from having participated in executions to be provided with rest and mental health care.[110] He also decided a transition should be made to gassing the victims, especially the women and children, and ordered the recruitment of expendable native auxiliaries who could assist with the murders.[110][111] Gas vans, which had been used previously to kill mental patients, began to see service by all four main Einsatzgruppen from 1942.[112] However, the gas vans were not popular with the Einsatzkommandos, because removing the dead bodies from the van and burying them was a horrible ordeal. Prisoners or auxiliaries were often assigned to do this task so as to spare the SS men the trauma.[
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen#Transition_to_gassing


    Killing German-Jews was viewed as particularly unpleasant:

    The protest of the Wehrmachtbefehlshaber in the Ostand was followed on December 16, 1941, by a letter from the Gerneralkommissar of White Russia, Gauleiter Kube. That letter was the first in a series of letters and protests by this official that were to shake at the foundations of the Nazi idea. It was addressed to Lohse personally (Mein lieber Hinrich). (43)
    Kube pointed out that about 6,000 to 7,000 Jews had arrived in Minsk; where the other 17,000 to 18,000 had remained he did not know. Among the arrivals there were World War I veterans with the Iron Cross (both First and Second Class), disabled veterans, half-Aryans, and even a three-quarter Aryan. Kube had visited the ghetto and had convinced himself that among the Jewish newcomers, who were much cleaner than Russian Jews, there were also many skilled laborers who could produce about five times as much as Russian Jews. The new arrivals would freeze to death or starve in the next few weeks. There were no serums to protect them against twenty-two epidemics in the area.

    Kube himself did not wish to issue any orders for the treatment of these Jews, although "certain formations" of the army and the police were already eyeing the personal possessions of these people. The SD had already taken away 400 mattresses - without asking. "I am certainly hard and I am ready," continued Kube, "to help solve the Jewish question, but people who come from our cultural milieu are certainly something else than the native animalized hordes. Should the Lithuanians and the Latvians - who are disliked here, too, by the population - be charged with the slaughter? I could not do it. I ask you, consider the honor of our Reich and our party, and give clear instructions to take care of what is necessary in a form which is humane."
     
    http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/esg/trials/profiles/milieu.html
  120. On might compare today’s Deutschland to contemporary Japan. The populations are about the same size.

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  121. melendwyr says: • Website

    Germany does need more babies. Whether the source of those babies is irrelevant is… well, it’s not an open question to us, really. I don’t think all that many people, if they stopped to think about it, think the source of replacement population doesn’t matter at all.

    Japan will survive with its culture and ethnic makeup intact. Germany? I doubt it.

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  122. carol says:
    @TheBoom
    Last year I got to know a German who was in their equivalent of the FBI. He didn't think Muslims were a problem and felt terrorism wasn't a big deal because more people died from other things. I am not surprised that they botched this after meeting him.

    Face it, it’s just not cool to admit there’s a security problem, because that implies fear. Which is uncool.

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  123. Ivy says:
    @Desiderius

    Merry Christmas
     
    And a Fröhliche Weihnachten für Sie und deine

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7QlxvTIU6Q

    Genau so!

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  124. @utu
    Germany's Grenzschutz did very well in Mogadishu.

    The Berlin attack should be more worrisome as it may indicate that German police or special forces got infiltrated by the same characters who organize similar happenings and real events in other parts of the world, meaning that Germany's sovereignty was compromised.

    Germany is still doing the best it can under the duress. It was not Germany that participated in war on Libya or war on Syria. It was not Germany that cut UN funding to refugees camps in Turkey and Jordan. It was not Germany that printed maps and invitations to Germany for refugees. It was not Germany that provided money to smugglers to bring refugees to Greece. It was not Germany that organized refugees in marching columns of young single men?

    Yes, it was Merkel on the faithful night in September 2015 in cooperation with Austria made the announcement of letting people in but what was her other option? I see her action as the Aikido move to take away the force form the aggressor. She deflected the blow which possible intention was to create crisis in Europe and give total support to American coalition to bomb Syria and also to torpedo Obama's agreement with Iran. Merkel diffused the crisis and gave Putin few extra weeks to move to Syria.

    This is the textbook definition of triple bankshot logic.

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    Our resident secret policeman Jack Hanson is going to be spending Christmas going through the emails of white gentiles and making sure those evil folks aren't celebrating that racist holiday of Christmas too much. Without a warrant, of course; warrants are unnecessary.

    After all, white gentiles the real threats, comrade.

    Now go off the Director Comey's Christmas party. Mrs. Clinton will bestow upon him the Order of Lenin for his efforts to get her elected!

  125. @David Davenport
    In addition to the Middle Eastern and African Camps of the Saints, Trump’s election may mean a definite scaling back of American commitment to the Continent’s defense

    Claim: the "Content" has sunk to a dependent, somewhat incompetent condition-- politically, culturally, and in other ways because Europe has allowed its military force and forces to atrophy. Trump might be doing Europa a failure by threatening to pull back from Europe.

    (assuming that NATO is even still a viable and credible alliance when it means commitment to war in defense of the Baltics or Islamist Turkey).

    Turkey would have to be kicked out of a revitalized NATO. My prediction is that Turkey is going to become more and more Islamic and worthless.

    NATO needs change. The current set-up is out of date.

    Turkey would have to be kicked out of a revitalized NATO. My prediction is that Turkey is going to become more and more Islamic and worthless.

    Absolutely. In years gone by, the murder of an ambassador would have been a casus belli. Erdogan was mad enough to purge his security forces, and leave the Russian Ambassador undefended (according to his widow). If Turkey and Russia end up at war, why should Europe and North America have any obligation to fight on Turkey’s side?

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  126. David says:
    @Dieter Kief

    VW scandal = fairy tale?!
     
    This would be the most expensive fairy-tale ever.


    PS
    I still haven't got this - what was the big thing about the VW scandal? Not the diesel emissions. Because they for sure aren't higher than those of other cars, by other manufacturers.
    To put it very simple: What damge has been done at all. Maybe to some competitors - that could be. But on what quantitative basis - do we talk about - maybe a few thousand VW diesel cars, that would not have been bought, if the customers would have known, that those cars have slightly higher emissions?!

    I agree. The real scandal is that the EPA in the States wasn’t actually testing the emissions of cars. They were (and likely still are) collecting data from a car’s own sensors and passing judgement on that.

    I wish my professors just asked me what my grade was rather than going to the trouble to grade me themselves. Actually, I don’t wish that.

    The EPA skated through what should have been a heads-rolling clearance of petrified and useless bureaucracy by over-hyping VW’s failures.

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    This is NOT what happened. The EPA tested cars on a dynamometer - a sort of car treadmill. The test equipment drew too much power to put in a car that was actually being driven on the street. VW had programmed the cars ECU to detect whether a car was on an EPA test cycle - for example the car is going 60 mph but the steering wheel never turns. As soon as the car realized that it was on a treadmill, the emission control system would be turned on. Otherwise it was always off. The emissions system wasn't good enough to run full time - it would burn a lot of fuel and soot up, etc. but it was just good enough to make it thru an EPA test cycle.

    Fast forward a few years. Some researchers in West Virginia got a $70,000 grant to build a system that could fit in the trunk of a car so that you could test cars when they were going down the highway. They jury rigged a cheap generator like you might buy at Lowes to supply power to their rig. They were getting strange results - VWs (but not any other mfr's cars) were emitting much more pollution that they were supposed to. They called up VW and VW tried to bullshit them - there must be something wrong with the calibration of your equipment. $15 billion later, it turned out that their equipment was fine.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/25/business/vw-wvu-diesel-volkswagen-west-virginia.html
  127. @TheBoom
    Last year I got to know a German who was in their equivalent of the FBI. He didn't think Muslims were a problem and felt terrorism wasn't a big deal because more people died from other things. I am not surprised that they botched this after meeting him.

    He’s right, you’re more likely to die of old age, than be killed by a terrorist.

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    Death by old age cannot be prevented, terrorism can.

    And the secondary psychological effects of terrorism affect the living.
    , @anon
    that may be true now - but eventually a tipping point will be reached where mass violent jihad will be a feasible option and then the native populations will be much more likely to be killed by jihad than old age

    it's why Israel forced up the Jewish birth rate, right?

    and given the demographics of the invasion - young males - that tipping point is only a few years away in some Euro countries
  128. @utu
    Germany's Grenzschutz did very well in Mogadishu.

    The Berlin attack should be more worrisome as it may indicate that German police or special forces got infiltrated by the same characters who organize similar happenings and real events in other parts of the world, meaning that Germany's sovereignty was compromised.

    Germany is still doing the best it can under the duress. It was not Germany that participated in war on Libya or war on Syria. It was not Germany that cut UN funding to refugees camps in Turkey and Jordan. It was not Germany that printed maps and invitations to Germany for refugees. It was not Germany that provided money to smugglers to bring refugees to Greece. It was not Germany that organized refugees in marching columns of young single men?

    Yes, it was Merkel on the faithful night in September 2015 in cooperation with Austria made the announcement of letting people in but what was her other option? I see her action as the Aikido move to take away the force form the aggressor. She deflected the blow which possible intention was to create crisis in Europe and give total support to American coalition to bomb Syria and also to torpedo Obama's agreement with Iran. Merkel diffused the crisis and gave Putin few extra weeks to move to Syria.

    Germany is still doing the best it can under the duress. It was not Germany that participated in war on Libya or war on Syria. It was not Germany that cut UN funding to refugees camps in Turkey and Jordan. It was not Germany that printed maps and invitations to Germany for refugees. It was not Germany that provided money to smugglers to bring refugees to Greece. It was not Germany that organized refugees in marching columns of young single men?

    Yes, it was Merkel on the faithful night in September 2015 in cooperation with Austria made the announcement of letting people in but what was her other option?

    Turn them away.

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  129. This has nothing to do with competence, its about priorities and top-dog complacency. Modern Germans aren’t good at stuff like policing and fighting because that sort of stuff is regarded as fascist and authoritarian by educated Germans.

    However, in the same way that the US can no longer be complacent about trade competition and border control, Germans can no longer afford to be complacent about stuff like policing and counter-terrorism.

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  130. whorefinder says: • Website

    Most modern security, if it literally follows the p.c. commandments, is easy for a terrorists and criminals to subvert, if they have half a brain. This is what is happening to the German police and Italian border guys: they ignored the guy due to fears of being called racist.

    The NYPD, in contrast, has had more than 20 years of publicly toeing the p.c. line while privately being realistic about crime and race. I guess it helps that there are so many rich and powerful people in charge who remember the “Escape from New York” days and don’t want to go back to them.

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  131. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Jack Hanson
    This is the textbook definition of triple bankshot logic.

    Our resident secret policeman Jack Hanson is going to be spending Christmas going through the emails of white gentiles and making sure those evil folks aren’t celebrating that racist holiday of Christmas too much. Without a warrant, of course; warrants are unnecessary.

    After all, white gentiles the real threats, comrade.

    Now go off the Director Comey’s Christmas party. Mrs. Clinton will bestow upon him the Order of Lenin for his efforts to get her elected!

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    This is particularly hilarious considering that I was one of the few voices here who thought Trump was going to win while everyone else was preparing to be gulaged by Big Grandma.

    But do go on. I'm all ears.
  132. @Beckow
    Germans don't borrow enough, it is a cultural thing. But it might not be that smart. In a debt and credit driven economy, the ones refusing to borrow will eventually be the ones paying for the un-payable loans. We have had a few years of hard-ass, austerity, pay-your-debts-or-else rule, but it is coming to an end because it has never been sustainable.

    Rational behavior needs to account for context - if credit is easy, not using it is not rational, it is self-defeating. Because the message in easy credit is that nobody expects that it will all be paid back (we don't have slave labor any more). I am not criticizing the Germans, but they might end up paying for the others whether they like it or not.

    When in Rome, do as Romans do - you are paying for it anyway.

    Great post, and I wholeheartedly agree with your points. However, while in America it’s also true that easy credit has factored in that much will never be repaid, it’s only true for some people. Many who over-borrowed on their homes, refinancing again and again to extract cash with which they financed extravagant lifestyles indeed got away scot-free. They get to turn around, move to another state, and do the same thing all over again. Many others blithely walk away from credit-card debt, auto-loan debt, medical debt, what have you.

    But many others among us couldn’t walk away from a single penny of debt if we tried, and not (just) because we’re highly-principled. Rather, because the rules are applied differently to different people—and particularly if you are not ‘politically-favored’ or have assets you can’t or won’t hide—your feet will most definitely be held to the fire.

    The availability of ‘easy credit’ is just one more way in which the responsible members of society pay for the irresponsible. It’s yet another form of taxation—complete with ‘reverse disparate impact’—and it most definitely applies to countries as well as citizens. Hence Germans continue to work hard (and smart), day in and day out, while Greeks (and others) continue to live well beyond their means.

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    ‘easy credit’ is just one more way in which the responsible members of society pay for the irresponsible.
     
    Agree. It applies to individuals, countries and even families. An interesting evolutionary point is that groups in the past that had developed intolerance towards free-loading had an evolutionary advantage. Creating punitive systems against members of a group who try to not carry their full faith or break the rules was an essential point in moving forward - thus the endless "virtue", "honor" and other behavior rules that were used to prevent a group of free-loaders to prosper (or even to survive).

    Germans still have that basic attitude among themselves - but due to the WWII catastrophe they are unable to apply it to certain kinds of outsiders. And that can be fatal - people are using them and they are unable to fight back. This is a tribe that lost its ability to preserve itself. In my view, an essential element of any successful society is the ability to self-sustain as they are, not by "changing" to something else. Germans have lost it. They survived 1945, but don't seem to be able to survive the mental block of the 1945 experience. It is a loss for all humanity.

  133. whorefinder says: • Website
    @International Jew
    He's right, you're more likely to die of old age, than be killed by a terrorist.

    Death by old age cannot be prevented, terrorism can.

    And the secondary psychological effects of terrorism affect the living.

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    Exactly. How many dead is this commitment to ideology worth? I would say zero unless it had a huge payoff. However, so long as the deaths aren't personal acquaintances many leftists would say thousands per year. You can literally have zero deaths to Muslims terrorists by allowing zero Muslims in your country and kicking the rest out.

    How many people willingly die from infections because they are Christian Scientists? Certainly more will die to Islamic immigration. Who is the lunatic?

    I think this issue is at the heart of liberalism. How many must die for my "progressive agenda" before we move on?
  134. Jefferson says:
    @NOTA
    Terrorism really is a small problem in terms of number of fatalities. And I may be missing something, but I'm not sure what counterterrorism policies would have helped Germany in the last few years--their problems seem to be related to immigration and EU-wide open borders.

    “Terrorism really is a small problem in terms of number of fatalities.”

    That’s the same argument pro-open borders people use to justify mass Muslim immigration into Western countries.

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  135. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    I think there is a fundamental misconception of what it’s all about.

    Societies are organizations created by organisms. So, the foundation of any organization, social-political-or-otherwise, must focus on the well-being of the organism. After all, an entire city can be destroyed, but if human-organisms remain, a new one can be built. German and Japanese cities were horribly destroyed in WWII, but they were rebuilt. Even Hiroshima. Why? Human organisms remained. It’s like someone can mess up an ant colony with water and feet, but as long as ants survive, they can rebuild it.

    Ideas, values, and systems all exist to serve the organism. Humans are organisms of nature and of culture. As natural organisms, they are of flesh and blood. As cultural beings, they have identities, memories, and concepts in their consciousness(created by the organ of the brains). But there must first be the organism. That is key. Even culture is secondary. After all, a people can survive even great cultural destruction. The barbarian invasions destroyed much of classical culture in Western Europe, but the European races did remain and were able to rediscover what was lost. The Bolshevik Revolution destroyed many churches and art works, but as long as Russians survived, they were able to restore much of Russian culture. The Maoist Cultural Revolution was horrible in wrecking so much, but as long as the Chinese people survived, they were able to piece together what remained and restore the continuation of Chinese culture.

    So, the fundamental foundation of EU should be the preservation, survival, and defense of the European Organism as natural being and cultural being. Other considerations are also necessary, but the foundations must be preservation, defense, and survival of the organisms. Only when such is secure can other things be considered.

    But materialism, atomization, vanity-feminism, male immaturism, interracism, and PC are weakening the very premise of European Order.

    Europeans have the tree upside down. Roots must be in the ground and offer stability to the trunk from which form the branches from which forms the leaves. A tree cannot survive if you chop it in half and if you plant it upside down with leaves as roots.

    The notion of ‘European or Western values’ are all very good, and I don’t mind liberalism either as long as its sane and sober. But they must be outgrowths of the solid and stable European trunk with roots firmly into the ground.

    An order isn’t built on ideas as premise. It is built on survival and security of the organism, and ideas grow from that.

    The problem of the West is that the idea of ‘rights’ take precedence of the idea of ‘fights’.

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    Rights are abstract guarantees allowed by the state. Negative rights are for individuals who wish for autonomy, and positive rights are for the community with collective interests, such as social security.

    But for there to be a system of ‘rights’, there first has to be a secure and stable social order that guarantees the survival of the organisms. So, ‘fights’ must precede the ‘rights’.
    Fights would be the securing and strengthening of the forces that allow the organisms to survive, thrive, and reproduce in its own chosen domain. So, before there can be any talk of human rights, there must be the consideration of organismic fights.

    After all, what use are ‘rights’ on their own when only a stable and secure order can guarantee those rights in the first place?
    Whether the rights are negative(individual) or positive(collective), they are useless without the power of the state that governs and manages the Order. And for that state to operate, it has to defend the organisms of the domain. After all, those very organisms are the main supporters and enablers of the state. (It’s like the mind has to serve the body. If the mind hurts the body, the body will no longer sustain the mind, and the mind will die too.)
    If the organisms are not defended, then the order will fall apart, and then the state won’t function either. And then, all those rights will just be abstract nothings since there is no power to guarantee them via enforcement.
    Suppose Sweden continues to expose itself from massive African and Muslim invasion to the point where whites are a defenseless minority. The state would hardly function with all those barbarians and savages roaming around. Soon, the notion of ‘rights’ would be just empty talk since the Order(now disorder) would be unable to enforce anything.
    Rights don’t exist in nature. ‘Rights’ is a abstract ideal that can only be enforced by the state. But for a stable order to exist in the first place, it has to be secured by fights. Fights would determine who is ‘us’ and who is ‘them’. Fights would determine which land is our land and which land is their land. While not fixed permanently — as wars can change boundaries as in WWI and WWII — , there needs to be some kind of borderline to secure the peace among competing powers. Even animals have this territorial instinct. Without such borders, any people could move into any place, and that would lead to mess and mayhem; Order simply isn’t possible with ceaseless mass migrations on a huge scale.
    Indeed, the most fundamental concept of rights, that of property rights, is founded on the reality of fights. In order to prevent everyone from bickering and attacking one another at all times, the concept of property rights acknowledges the instinct for territorial ‘fights’ within the organismic instinct. So, there is bound to be far more peace among neighbors if people know where the property begins and ends, like on Sanford and Son.

    It was through the struggle of fights that each domain was created, defended, and secured for posterity. And it was only when the domain enjoyed that security that it could grow and eventually develop the concept of rights that made life more pleasant for those in the domain. So, rights grew out of fights, and that means that fights must take precedence over any consideration of rights.

    Fights are not pleasant, but it is only through fights that a domain can be created and defended in order for there to be the guarantee of rights.
    Now, fights in the modern sense isn’t necessarily violent. It merely needs to use the threat of violence. So, every nation has its military and organized system of laws that favor those of the domain over those outside it who may or may not be hostile enemies. Once the fights secure a domain, then the rights can exist to make life easier and pleasant for its members. And as long as outsiders are a minority who respect the majority, they too can partake of the rights as fellow citizens. Indeed, the concept of martial law or state-of-emergency proves that fights come before rights. If a domain is under ‘existential’ threat, rights must be suspended in order to favor the fights for basic survival.

    So, in order for a nation like Germany to work, it has to first think in terms of fights. What is Germany, where is Germany, who are Germans, and what is German identity and culture? Those fight-centric things must be secured and defended by military, organization, and laws . And once there is a secure Germany with posterity, then rights can be practiced and expanded.

    But the tragedy of the Current Year is that Europeans are not allowed to think in terms of fights. Thus, they don’t know what they are, who their brethren and sistren are, what their core territory is, what their history is, and etc. Since they no sense of what they are, they have no sense of fights.
    And without the survivalist foundation of fights, the sense of rights become fuzzy, confused, vague, shifting, and even dangerous. Since rights are not seen as outgrowths of fights, they are applied to everyone. So, French rights are not about the historic racial/cultural French folks. They must apply to the world. So any invader is also deserving of French rights. And since there is no Core France, the ‘French’ must keep inviting more and more outsiders and aliens to become ‘French’ and enjoy ‘French’ rights. And Germany is under the same delusion, as is the UK where BAFTA announced that films won’t be nominated for awards unless they have ‘diversity’. So, BAFTA doesn’t defend the rights of white Britons rooted in British ‘fights’. Rather, because it rejects the idea of British identity rooted in race and culture, British rights are ‘universal’ and apply to all, and the UK must bring in more and more foreigners who are just as ‘British’ as historic Britons and deserving of ‘rights’. And the police in Rotherham must suppress any sense of fights. If a bunch of white girls are raped by Muslim gangs, the police must favor the ‘rights’ of non-whites over the basic ‘fights’ of white British girls to live in safety in their own homeland. This is what happens when rights are disconnected from fights.
    This is obviously insane. If Israel practiced this kind of ‘rights’ with neighboring Muslims, how long would the nation survive? Surely, Israel was founded on the basis of Zionist fights, and it’s been defended by nationalist fights, and Zionist rights are premised on the security availed by those fights. Indeed, even the rights that Palestinian-Israelis enjoy in Israel are possible only because Israel is secured by fights. Jews are willing to be generous with Palestinians IN Israel because they have the power and dominance. If Israelis felt as insecure as Hutus in Rwanda, the practice of rights would collapse and it would turn into bloody struggle between Jews and Arabs as in 1948.

    Western concept of human rights severed from organismic need for survival fights is useless. They are just leaves blowing in the wind from a dead tree.
    It’s like the Rule of Law must flow from the Rule of Claw, or else it’s the Rule of Flaw.

    Humans are organisms, and all organisms are in constant state of war. Though all of life has single ancestor in some single-cell organism long long long ago, the descendants of life have been attacking and eating each other. So, in a way, it’s like super-cannibalism since life eats life. And humans are no different. We destroy plants and animals for food. Humans fight humans. Even in 21st century, nations are at war. Under Obama, Libya was destroyed. Russians used military power to defend their interests. (The neocon paradox is that making Russia out to be the great enemy instills Americans with fear over getting into a war with Russia. Neocons feel that Russia is economically so small and weak that US can easily kick it butt and drive Putin from power. After all, Russian economy is less than that of Italy. US spends 10x more on military. So, neocons are confident that the US can crush Russia. But most Americans don’t want care about foreign affairs. So, the Neocons have to hype how evil and dangerous Russia is in order to get Americans all riled up against Russia. But such scare-mongering convinces Americans that, geez, maybe Russia is a badass nation, and we better not mess with it.. which defeats the whole Neocon purpose. Russia is both so dangerous that all Americans must worry about it AND so weak that the US can easily kick butt.)
    Since organisms are always at war, the premise of life is Rule of Claw. And all human orders also came into being by rule of claw, or mace, sword, spears, arrows, guns, cannons, bombs, and etc. But rule of claw itself is unpleasant and too brutish. So, there needs to be Rule of Law. But the power of law has meaning ONLY IN PLACES where it can be enforced by violence or threat of violence.
    Rule of Law is not something that exists in nature. Nor is it something that the state can guarantee in all places outside its sphere of enforcement. What happens to be the Law in the US isn’t in some other part of the world. Look at the poor sod in MIDNIGHT EXPRESS the movie. He ain’t protected by US laws there.
    Now, the Rule of Claw exists in nature, and all organisms use it to defend itself. But Rule of Claw is bloody and cruel. So, we prefer Rule of Law. But the Rule of Law must first be established by Rule of Claw(or guns or whatever). After all, US was founded through violent wars against ‘red savages’, violent repression of outlaws(like Lee Marvin characters), and violent transformation of nature filled with bears and wolves into human habitats secured by the reach of enforcement of laws.

    So, the concept of Rule of Law must be seen as outgrowth of Rule of Claw.
    Another advantage of sensible formulation of Rule of Law is the sense of limits. Clannism and tribalism are too close to Rule of Claw, as hatcoys and mcfields demonstrated all too well with their stupid vendettas. Clannism isn’t far above Claw-ism. So, clannism had to be suppressed in order for there be larger communities of united purpose. And for this to be realized, the ideal was an order with a majority population united by race, culture, and language. Thus, the nation-state is ideal for Rule of Law. Yet, if Rule of Law tries to stretch beyond the nation-state of shared ethnos and mythos, it moves into mode of empire, which is never easy to maintain because very different peoples have contrasting and competing identities, interests, customs, values, taboos, and etc. The more Rule of Law tries to expand beyond its national perimeters or the more it tries to increase diversity within its national boundaries, there’s gonna be trouble when the breaking point is reached.
    US effort to spread Rule of Law to Libya and Iraq has been disastrous. And both EU and US are suffering all sorts of shocks to the system due to increasing diversity of people of competing interests, made all the worse by the fact that the ‘good whites’ that control elite institutions are addicted to the thrill of virtue-signaling against ‘bad whites’ to score pokemon or PC-mon points with non-whites. Just look at the ‘hate hoax’ lunacy in the US.
    So, Rule of Law divorced from consideration of Rule of Claw turns into Rule of Flaw. While Rule of Claw isn’t enough for humans who deserve something higher and nobler, it must be the roots of Rule of Law as all orders must primarily defended and maintained through force and/or threat of force. Rule of Claw can give into Rule of Law only if the Rule of Law promises to use its power to defend the well being of core organisms within the domain. When Rule of Law fails to do that and promises to apply to EVERYONE across all borders, that is the beginning of the end of the Domain. All this bitching about defending ‘liberal values’ from the dangers of the ‘far right’ in the EU is such trite PC nonsense. So-called ‘liberal values’ can only be organic outgrowths of a well-defended domain of core organisms with identity and culture that are deemed worthy of defending. But when the elites of Sweden say there is no core Swedish identity and culture, that is recipe for suicide. If that is ‘liberal values’, it is nuts. It’s like believing in the worth leaves while denying the reality of trunks and the roots.

    What is so dispiriting about Current EU is that its people have forgotten their own historical lessons. The reason why Europe rose to such prominence was not because of imperial diversity but because of the spirit of independence that amazingly maintained so many dynamic states, kingdoms, and nations within that crowded continent. It was like a replay of Greek city states except on the national level.
    It was inter-diversity than intra-diversity that made the West. Empires are intra-diverse cuz different peoples come under the same power. Roman Empire was intra-diverse. The Ottoman Empire was intra-diverse. So were the Chinese empire and Russian empire. Empires develop because various peoples aren’t strong or proud enough to insist on their own independence.
    Unlike most peoples around the world who came under the power of empires, the various European folks insisted on their independence. Even when they were conquered, they worked hard to regain independence. And this spirit was behind American Independence to break from the UK and forge its own path. American Revolutionaries didn’t want to be part of the British Empire that stretched across the world. Whatever was okay for ‘darkies’ was not okay for the Founders who had the spirit to break free. Because of this powerful spirit among Europeans, even the Soviets got tired of ruling over Eastern Europeans. Though Soviets had the power, they sensed the furor and anger all around among the various nationalities that clamored for independence.

    Given that Western Roman Empire fell while Eastern Roman Empire survived, the logical wager would have been to bet on the Eastern Empire that continued with the Roman tradition. But the West kept gaining in power while the East kept slipping. Why? Among many reasons, one was that Western Europe couldn’t be quelled and united by a single power. As there were several competing kingdoms, there was fierce competition in weapons and technology, like Niall Ferguson said in the Killer Apps series. In contrast, the giant empires of Byzantine and Persians suppressed competitive spirit in the East. And much of state power was exerted in maintaining order over diverse peoples who had little in common. While mere isolation can keep a people backward, independence can make it competitive and innovative. Japan vis-a-vis China borrowed ideas from the continental giant but also maintained its independence, and that accounted for much of the achievement. Suppose China had conquered Japan and ruled over it as just another empire of China. Japanese would likely have done much less.

    Given WWI and WWII, Europeans have come to see competition among Europeans as an evil that will lead to WWIII, but this is stupid. The age of empires was finished in Western Europe after WWII and it also ended in the East with the end of the Cold War. So, the danger of wars is gone. Europe can still remain competitive with one another without war, and for this to happen, each nation must maintain its spirit of independence and pride. All nations can trade and cooperate where necessary, but the spirit of competition comes from independence of mind and spirit and identity. It’s like the Olympics encourage the spirit of competition because there are many nations. If all nations were part of a single empire, who’d care about the Olympics? Olympics started in Greece where each city-state guarded its pride and independence to the extent it could. Of course, the city-state as an organizing principle is too small for the modern world. It still works in places like Singapore, but they are small and overly depend on other nations for stability and defense. Still, the spirit of the Greek city-states was crucial to the formation of the Western spirit.

    Intra-diverse empire that rules over various peoples(crushed of their independent spirit) eventually leads to stasis and decline.
    In contrast, the inter-diverse ‘compire’ or competitive empire of independent states leads not only to sense of freedom and pride but much innovation borne of competition. And Western Europe was like a ‘compire’. It was bound by commonality of race and religion(mostly Christianity), and in that sense, most of Western Europe was a single Civilization. And yet, different groups with different identities and languages insisted on their independence and, in vying for power, they had to be ultra-competitive and never rest on their laurels.

    In contrast, the ruling elites of intra-diverse empires were either complacent in their total mastery or over-stressed on maintaining the empire together to focus on anything else. As for the subject peoples of the empire, they were often without pride and sense of independent spirit that could spark individuality and innovation. They just kept their heads low and get what is theirs. Ottoman Empire just kept slipping.

    Though we tend to look down on Arabs and Muslims, it was during the reasonably competitive era of the Cold War that there was considerable progress in that part of that world. Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Saudi Arabia, and etc made considerable progress(even if less than Asia) in competition with one another, sometimes friendly, sometimes not so friendly. And there were advances in technology and improvements in living standards. But all that came to an end as the US empire stretched its arms all over with endless invasions, interventions, and sanctions. As entire areas of MENA fell directly or indirectly under the power of US neo-imperialism, there was destruction and decline all around. Just look at Syria, Libya, and Iraq today. Set back 40 yrs. That’s what empires do.

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    Interesting.

    Choose a handle and a password (aka fake email address).
  136. ….I wouldn’t be surprised if it comes out in the next few years that the EU has been, in no small part, a vehicle for Germany, its banks and industry, to basically cover up a lot of bad decisions and losses. …

    Claim: The Euro has to a certain extent solved Germany’s currency ( money ) exchange rate problem. To sell more exports, Germany needs needs a currency that allows German products such as cars to to be priced competitively to Asian and American competitors. This is for sales both outside the EU as well as exports to poorer EU countries such as Greece.

    If Germany quit Euro currency and returned to D-marks or whatever they’d all the new-old monetary units,, the the exchange rate of the new currency would strengthen, which would make German exports more expensive.

    And the Euro may also have helped German banks make bad loans …

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  137. @Anonymous
    In future decades, the fear that Germany was going to "take over the world" will sound bizarre. It only had a population of about 80 million back then (same as now) and couldn't possibly have pulled off such a feat. Even with advanced technology and great soldiers, the world was just too big.

    It is true Great Britain ruled much of the world with an even smaller population. But to be blunt, they were mainly ruling over non-Whites. Britain had long ago proven incapable of ruling America, for example.

    So, whatever German leaders, or our fevered propagandists may have imagined, Germany would never have had the manpower to rule all of Europe, Russia and North America. Just think about it.

    I have a feeling future generations may view the charge that we had to fight WWII so we wouldn't have to speak German as in the same category as Saddam's WMDs.

    The thing about 1930s Germany is that there were 20-30% communists & Trotskyite socialists who either kept silent or were intimidated into compliance with the Nazis. Presumably many could simply reassert their old allegiances by 1960 which would explain the current pockets of the country which have succumbed to leftist corruption and dysfunction. It would also explain the current presence of suicidal Loons like many Green party members & even Merkel. Have long felt that Germany prospered post-war cause it had a solid 40-45% of centrist citizens who were smart, engineering/science oriented, and hard working. The other 60% were happy to go along amicably (initially for practical reasons).

    What may have poisoned them is some of the excesses of the deNazification teachings in 1945-50 and the ‘mainstream’ cultural programming ever since. It is commendable to warn of the perils of dictatorship, conquest, & ethnocentric mass murder, but it is step too far to pathologize even modest nationalism which is simply self preservation, or sovereignty.

    The German pockets of Switzerland & northern Italy give a better sense of what a more sane Germany might be like in the absence of the self-loathing and cuckification.

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    The thing about 1930s Germany is that there were 20-30% communists & Trotskyite socialists who either kept silent or were intimidated into compliance with the Nazis. Presumably many could simply reassert their old allegiances by 1960 which would explain the current pockets of the country which have succumbed to leftist corruption and dysfunction. It would also explain the current presence of suicidal Loons like many Green party members
     
    And didn't Leni Reifenstahl end up being a prominent member of Greenpeace?
    , @Jack D
    The old German hard left had little to do with the modern German Green soft left. Whatever Communists Hitler didn't kill migrated to E. Germany after the war. Hardline E. German Communists, who loved smoke belching factories, were detested by the German environmentalist left as much as they hated capitalists. The Social Democrats (Bernie Sanders style democratic socialists) split from the Communists 100 years ago.
  138. @Venator
    That's one of the perks of having a homogeneous society, an outbred, high-trust, categorical-imperative-type society: you don't need much internal security. Society polices itself. Compare the Ochrana to any Western European internal police of the same time.

    Now, if you impose on society a totalitarian ideology alien to its character, you will need a strong internal police even in a homogeneous society. Thus, Gestapo and Stasi.

    Today, of course, we have both: an evermore heterogeneous society and a softly creeping liberal totalitarianism.

    Today, of course, we have both: an evermore heterogeneous society and a softly creeping liberal totalitarianism.

    We have an evermore LOW-TRUST heterogeneous society…

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  139. Yak-15 says:
    @Lot
    All of these are minor problems compared to Germany's immigration and birth rates.

    German banks have lost a whole lot of money to be sure, but that is mostly because German companies and consumers do not want to borrow, so they have to lend abroad without knowing what they are getting into.

    Lending to unworthy borrowers is shamefully stupid. They need to stop seeing themselves as a growth industry and more of a utility. Lay back and collect the easy money. Stick out your neck and it gets cut off.

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  140. @Anonymous
    In future decades, the fear that Germany was going to "take over the world" will sound bizarre. It only had a population of about 80 million back then (same as now) and couldn't possibly have pulled off such a feat. Even with advanced technology and great soldiers, the world was just too big.

    It is true Great Britain ruled much of the world with an even smaller population. But to be blunt, they were mainly ruling over non-Whites. Britain had long ago proven incapable of ruling America, for example.

    So, whatever German leaders, or our fevered propagandists may have imagined, Germany would never have had the manpower to rule all of Europe, Russia and North America. Just think about it.

    I have a feeling future generations may view the charge that we had to fight WWII so we wouldn't have to speak German as in the same category as Saddam's WMDs.

    I have a feeling future generations may view the charge that we had to fight WWII so we wouldn’t have to speak German as in the same category as Saddam’s WMDs.

    Current generations should dismiss that charge. It has even less credibility than the WMD claims.

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  141. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @5371
    [the VW emissions scandal; several rounds of Siemens getting caught greasing palms in foreign countries; and Deutsche Bank in serious, possibly fatal, financial trouble as of this year after being rocked by continual losses, penalties, and scandals, including a $7 billion settlement with the US Justice Department over malfeasance in the 2008 crash announced just today]

    All the things you mention are actually robbery under law by the US Justice Department. They know they can get away with anything against foreign companies, and do.

    Fraud and robbery are very different crimes. The first is for large amounts of money and punished lightly. The second for small amounts of money and punished harshly.

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  142. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Dieter Kief
    I disagree concerning the birth-rates. If you look at Japan - where's the collapse?

    We need a birth rate collapse. The idea of ever increasing populations as an economic engine is stupid.

    Broski

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    I sort of agree, but the best would be not to have immigrants. Lower birth rate without immigrants around is less problematic. But when you are competing with other tribes in the same place, if you have a lower birth rate you may go the way of the Neanderthal.
  143. … So we’ve seen all kinds of cheating, if not necessarily illegal, to skirt around the regulatory hurdles. VW did nothing wrong.

    Cheating is cheating. VW cheated.

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    • Replies: @Lugash
    Yep. Arguing that the EPA invented the scandal is nonsense.

    If Germany's a Potemkin society, I think the US is as well. Germany's police and bureaucracy probably outperform the United State's AA and PC ones any day of the week.
  144. @utu
    Germany's Grenzschutz did very well in Mogadishu.

    The Berlin attack should be more worrisome as it may indicate that German police or special forces got infiltrated by the same characters who organize similar happenings and real events in other parts of the world, meaning that Germany's sovereignty was compromised.

    Germany is still doing the best it can under the duress. It was not Germany that participated in war on Libya or war on Syria. It was not Germany that cut UN funding to refugees camps in Turkey and Jordan. It was not Germany that printed maps and invitations to Germany for refugees. It was not Germany that provided money to smugglers to bring refugees to Greece. It was not Germany that organized refugees in marching columns of young single men?

    Yes, it was Merkel on the faithful night in September 2015 in cooperation with Austria made the announcement of letting people in but what was her other option? I see her action as the Aikido move to take away the force form the aggressor. She deflected the blow which possible intention was to create crisis in Europe and give total support to American coalition to bomb Syria and also to torpedo Obama's agreement with Iran. Merkel diffused the crisis and gave Putin few extra weeks to move to Syria.

    “It was not Germany who … Etc.”

    So who was it?

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  145. Anon says: • Website • Disclaimer

    sailer wrote:

    Merkel’s Boner in 2015 was based in part on the idea that being seen as nice to refugees and diverse was a good cover for German Economic Hegemony.

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    In part? Maybe 1 percent.

    Steve, do you really believe this, or are you just trying to avoid alienating most of your readers?
    You REALLY think the german establishment imported the Vibrants in order to obtain “good cover for German Economic Hegemony.”???

    Wow…I don’t know where to even start…

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  146. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Marcus in the Hudson Valley
    Very OT:

    I wanted to donate some $ to Steve and ran across the BTC option via Coinbase on his guide. I've been wanting to dabble in BTC for a while, so I opened a Coinbase account with a fairly small initial funding.

    I start looking around and find all sorts of uniformly bad reviews/warnings about Coinbase. So now I'm freaking a bit - is my wife going to leave me after they drain my bank account? Are they thieves or merely incompetent at times?

    Any advice/expertise would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.

    if you are worried about the sketchiness of the bitcoin ecosystem (as I am, a blockchain-entrepreneur!), you can use bitquick.co in which you take cash (!) to a bank and deposit it into an account they assign to you (!!!). the money laundering feel notwithstanding, the most you can lose is the cash you take to the bank.

    that and the legal fees when you are on a watchlist…

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    I picked Coinbase or whatever it's called a few years ago because I don't want to hold any bitcoin because it seems like a big Audit Me sign to the IRS. I've been pestered in the past by the SPLC looking for some way they could sic the IRS on me, so I do everything really transparently.

    Coinbase just sends me cash. I don't have any complaints about it from my end, but I won't guarantee it to you for your end.

  147. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Sam Haysom
    No one claimed that Germany was going to take over the world- even the most ambitious of Grossraum thinkers.

    The corollary to lebensraum was the idea that with lebensraum you could support a lot more Germans. What about 200 million Germans could they have taken over the world- probally not but the whole point was that there would be a lot more Germans in the world.

    I’m not German, but I have benefited from tons of German inventions. It’s hard to imagine how more Germans would have been a bad thing.

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  148. iffen says:
    @Lot
    Obama planned to let pass a UN resolution calling all Israeli settlements illegal. Trump called up Egypt, the sponsor of the resolution, and got them to withdraw it.

    He will be the strongest friend of Israel of any US president.

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/middle-east/idUSKBN14B033?il=0

    He will be the strongest friend of Israel of any US president.

    Whaaaatttt? The MSM said he was a Nazi. Something doesn’t add up.

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  149. iffen says:

    The US security doesn’t look so good to me. I think that if a father calls you up and tells you that his son is dangerous and has mentioned that he wants to commit terrorist acts you should pay attention to that individual.

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  150. Walt says:
    @jhz
    So did the Holocaust happen or not?

    In a word, NO.

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    Way to drive off the cliff Bozo. Does it feel good to be provocative and edgy? You'd have more cred simply saying that there have been multiple genocides in the 20th Century, including of the Armenians, Ashkenazi Jews and Ukrainians.
  151. J.M. says:
    @Dieter Kief
    I disagree concerning the birth-rates. If you look at Japan - where's the collapse?

    Yeah, because collapsing birthrates and an aged population in a hostile region with titanic neighbours hellbent on your destruction or vassalage is so good. Japan’s economy will continue shrinking, so will its military readiness. Unless a miracle happens, Japan by the end of this century will be a Chinese satellite or a cluster of radioactive debris floating on the Pacific.

    I can’t understand the obsession of many in these forums to escape reality.

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    • Replies: @anon
    Japan will be fine as long as they don't listen to the people who want to destroy the Japanese (and every other) nation.

    1) robotics will counter the temporary effect of an aging population - the elderly bulge

    2) fewer people will lead to lower population density and an increased birth rate

    I can’t understand the obsession of many in these forums to escape reality.
     
    Whereas I perfectly understand why people like you want to use cultural manipulation to destroy competitor nations.
  152. Jack D says:
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    Jack D writes: "The US was (barely) able to endure a Cold War with a bunch of people who like to drink bath lotion. Who knows whether we could have stood up to 500 million Nazis?"

    Sorry, Jack D, for not understanding your allusions. What was this bath lotion, and who were drinking it (Americans? Russians?). Please explain.
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    • Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    Thanks, Jack D, for the link to an article about potable bath lotion:
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38395013
    I had been negligent in monitoring the news out of Irkutsk.
  153. @Pseudonymic Handle
    Merkel's Boner was a disastrous decision, but the decision to shut down the nuclear power plants and put a lot of money in solar power was even more bizarre given how rarely Germany (and western Europe generally) sees the sun.
    I expect Merkel, a physics PhD and a former quantum chemistry researcher, understands this energy stuff really well.
    I think Merkel is just a populist, doing what she thinks most germans want at that moment. If the people start demanding antiterrorist measures she will do that in a heartbeat.
    BTW many military observers were critical of german military performance in Afghanistan and the Bundeswehr is seriously underfunded to the extent that vehicle combat readiness is below 50%.

    ” the Bundeswehr is seriously underfunded to the extent that vehicle combat readiness is below 50%”

    Under funded for what?

    What is their purpose?

    They plainly could prevent the current invasion but refuse to do so, so what are we left with?

    So the purpose of the Bundeswehr is not to defend Germany but to be tools as needed for the US’s aggressions .

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  154. Jeb! spoke at Harvard in September. He’s bought into the Davos talk on charter schools and immigration. Anyway he says how during the primary there were a lot of candidates who lied about their real immigration views to pander to the republican base. *cough* marco *cough*. He says that Kasich was the only other candidate who was honest about their real views on immigration.

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  155. @Whoever

    The Bundeswehr might have been one of the strongest three militaries in the world as late as the 1980s .... Now it’s not considered a reliable partner ....
     
    The British armed forces seem to have followed a similar downward path. They performed well in the Falklands and the 1st Gulf War, but their performance in the 2nd was such a fiasco that they had to be rescued by the US Army.
    They tried to redeem themselves in Afghanistan but it did not go well; in fact, their dismal performance led Col. Michael Killion, G-3 of the 22nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, to say that all the British did was sit on their asses and take casualties.
    It seems that once the Cold War ended, the Europeans saw no need to maintain competent militaries and let them deteriorate.

    And they were correct, why should they subsidise the global hegemonic designs of the DC Neocon filh?

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  156. Karl says:
    @Marcus in the Hudson Valley
    Very OT:

    I wanted to donate some $ to Steve and ran across the BTC option via Coinbase on his guide. I've been wanting to dabble in BTC for a while, so I opened a Coinbase account with a fairly small initial funding.

    I start looking around and find all sorts of uniformly bad reviews/warnings about Coinbase. So now I'm freaking a bit - is my wife going to leave me after they drain my bank account? Are they thieves or merely incompetent at times?

    Any advice/expertise would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.

    Cash/checks/moneyOrders talks, bullshit walks. iSteve publishes his postal address

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  157. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    200,000 comments is a lot.

    To get that last 5k, I'd suggest a piece on Loyal Chapman.

    Don’t forget that that Tiny Duck must be responsible for a few thousand of Steve’s comments, between his own and those who feel compelled to respond to him.

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  158. @anon
    if you are worried about the sketchiness of the bitcoin ecosystem (as I am, a blockchain-entrepreneur!), you can use bitquick.co in which you take cash (!) to a bank and deposit it into an account they assign to you (!!!). the money laundering feel notwithstanding, the most you can lose is the cash you take to the bank.

    that and the legal fees when you are on a watchlist...

    I picked Coinbase or whatever it’s called a few years ago because I don’t want to hold any bitcoin because it seems like a big Audit Me sign to the IRS. I’ve been pestered in the past by the SPLC looking for some way they could sic the IRS on me, so I do everything really transparently.

    Coinbase just sends me cash. I don’t have any complaints about it from my end, but I won’t guarantee it to you for your end.

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    • Replies: @Thomas
    Anyone can use their own Bitcoin wallet on their own end and still pay Steve through Coinbase. (https://coinbase.com/checkouts/897b88cb6418114ef3e1305820ed7104) You don't have to use Coinbase yourself.
  159. Thomas says:
    @Austrian
    On economics: I disagree with the examples Thomas gave. Deutsche Bank = AIG at worst. Siemens did nothing exceptionally corrupt either. The Chinese get these third world government contracts now.

    You can have good mileage, or low emissions, but not both. That's just physics. The EPA and EU regulations, fleet standards, etc. demand both at the same time. So we've seen all kinds of cheating, if not necessarily illegal, to skirt around the regulatory hurdles. VW did nothing wrong.

    However, the German economy is toast and it is a bad deal for Germans anyway. Germany has a trade surplus of nine percent. This means that Germans export real goods and get mere payment promises in return. Germans live below their means. But not only are they unaware of this, their national pride is based on these export surpluses.

    German quality engineering and manufacture is an outdated notion. Car plants used to employ thousands of machinists that had to make parts one at the time. That work has been automated. Germany has more robots per capita than Japan. Even so, many of the German plants are operating at a loss and are kept for prestige.

    The Chinese could manufacture almost everything cheaper and with the same quality. However it is difficult to get into various niche markets (machine tools, etc.) that are still dominated by medium sized businesses, because customers are conservative in these fields. The Chinese are currently in a shopping frenzy, buying up these Mittelstand businesses. They bought Kraus-Maffei recently for example.

    Thanks for the insights. I have to admit I was searching out examples, and I won’t claim to be a learned expert on the up-to-date inner workings of the German economy. It’s been a few years since I was in the country. What I actually first noticed years ago seemed to be slipping in things German was BMW: around 2002 or so, the quality and segment placement of their cars seemed to take a real nosedive from what it had been in the 1990s.

    What I think probably stands out with Germany is the loss of image. Malfeasance, bad investments, and political and business scandals are hardly rare in the world (they seem more the norm than the irregularity). As Steve’s original post referenced though (“Traditionally Disorganized, Ineffectual German Reich Unable to Deal with Staggering Challenge Posed by Tunisian Petty Crook”), the international image of Germany has been traditionally of a well-run and orderly country. Granted, this was a stereotype. But, one thing that does seem particular to Germany is an apparent unwillingness to openly face mistakes in public. In America, everything seems to get turned into a political football, which at least means it gets talked about (even if badly). To hear you tell it, their entire economy is geared to an irrational model that’s artificially leaving Germans poorer than they should be. That’s where the metaphor of a “Potemkin society” came to mind for me. Merkel has been getting bandied about here and there by the globalists, liberals, Davoisie, etc., as the new “leader of the free world” since Trump was elected.

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  160. dfordoom says: • Website
    @ggg
    Why do you people want inmigrants to assimilate to western pop culture when you people find the very same culture to be sick?

    Why do you people want inmigrants to assimilate to western pop culture when you people find the very same culture to be sick?

    I don’t. I dislike the idea of assimilation intensely. It makes everybody the same – equally alienated, equally bland, equally degenerate, equally soulless. I admire those immigrants who refuse to assimilate. I understand why they despise the West and I agree with them.

    Of course I also believe that it would be better for the immigrants to stay in their own countries. Better for everyone, including the immigrants, in the long term.

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  161. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen
    I dunno. Munich was embarrassing, but the targets were Israelis. Similarly, the 9/11 targets were in the US. Until Merkel's Boner, maybe anti-terrorism wasn't a priority for Germany.

    Or maybe they look at France and see it has lots of anti-terror capabilities and still gets hit (Britain has done better; Ed West credits MI5).

    German manufacturers still dominate. The VW scandal was the German response to cognitive dissonance (Americans love diesel but want to be told fairy tales about diesel emissions).

    Or maybe they look at France and see it has lots of anti-terror capabilities and still gets hit (Britain has done better; Ed West credits MI5).

    Maybe the Germans aren’t real comfortable with the idea of having a really effective security police. They did have one once and it got kind of a bad name.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Maybe the Germans aren’t real comfortable with the idea of having a really effective security police. They did have one once and it got kind of a bad name."

    Thank God I am a Non German/Non Austrian White person, so I feel zero White guilt about the actions of Adolf Hitler. Calling me a nazi is not going to make me change my Right Wing views on Islam and immigration because I don't even belong to the same ethnic group as Adolf Hitler.

    , @Dieter Kief

    Maybe the Germans aren’t real comfortable with the idea of having a really effective security police.
     
    .
    Yeah right. And think of two additional things:

    No. 1) Stasi - the most efective security police that ever there was - in Europe...

    No. 2) "....and the malediction of your bad deeds will hold on till the seventh generation."

  162. Thomas says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I picked Coinbase or whatever it's called a few years ago because I don't want to hold any bitcoin because it seems like a big Audit Me sign to the IRS. I've been pestered in the past by the SPLC looking for some way they could sic the IRS on me, so I do everything really transparently.

    Coinbase just sends me cash. I don't have any complaints about it from my end, but I won't guarantee it to you for your end.

    Anyone can use their own Bitcoin wallet on their own end and still pay Steve through Coinbase. (https://coinbase.com/checkouts/897b88cb6418114ef3e1305820ed7104) You don’t have to use Coinbase yourself.

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    • Replies: @anon
    The problem is getting those first sweet, sweet bitcoins. Mining's not really possible for normies, so your choices are exchanges (such as coinbase) where you have to effect a bank transfer (maybe they do credit cards now, but at the time I looked into it they didn't) or some site that facilitates person-to-person transfers. I didn't feel like dealing with the neckbeards in my neighborhood, so I went with bitquick.
  163. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Steve Richter
    Heck, look at WWII for examples of the contradiction of German excellence and incompetence. Going to war against Russia without a heavy bomber. Allowing Hitler to run the country, then failing to execute an assassination. The encirclement of its army at Stalingrad.

    Heck, look at WWII for examples of the contradiction of German excellence and incompetence. Going to war against Russia without a heavy bomber.

    Their tanks were pretty much a joke as well when they ran up against T-34s. In fact their tanks were a joke when they went up against Matildas and the French Char B1 in 1940. Added to which their tanks were ludicrously unsuitable for operations in Russia.

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    German armor prior to the introduction of the advanced versions of the Mark IV and the Panther and Tiger tanks was seriously deficient. Yet the Wehrmacht won most of the battles until 1942; a tribute to German organization, tactics and training. If the tanks were a "joke," a lot of French, British and Russian soldiers didn't live to hear the punchline.
    , @Lurker
    German tanks were not a joke, they exhibited mixed qualities as did the tanks of every other nation.

    The Matilda had good protection, which the Germans acknowledged, however it was underpowered with generally poorer mobility and reliability than German tanks. It's gun also lacked an HE round, all it fired were AP rounds. Odd, given that it was supposedly an infantry tank.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    In fact their tanks were a joke when they went up against Matildas and the French Char B1 in 1940.

     

    Yeah, Germany did really poorly against the French and British in France in 1940.
  164. @Jack D
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38395013

    Thanks, Jack D, for the link to an article about potable bath lotion:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38395013

    I had been negligent in monitoring the news out of Irkutsk.

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  165. Jefferson says:
    @dfordoom

    Or maybe they look at France and see it has lots of anti-terror capabilities and still gets hit (Britain has done better; Ed West credits MI5).
     
    Maybe the Germans aren't real comfortable with the idea of having a really effective security police. They did have one once and it got kind of a bad name.

    “Maybe the Germans aren’t real comfortable with the idea of having a really effective security police. They did have one once and it got kind of a bad name.”

    Thank God I am a Non German/Non Austrian White person, so I feel zero White guilt about the actions of Adolf Hitler. Calling me a nazi is not going to make me change my Right Wing views on Islam and immigration because I don’t even belong to the same ethnic group as Adolf Hitler.

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  166. krautman says:
    @TheBoom
    Last year I got to know a German who was in their equivalent of the FBI. He didn't think Muslims were a problem and felt terrorism wasn't a big deal because more people died from other things. I am not surprised that they botched this after meeting him.

    As a German, I happen not to know anyone working for our FBI equivalent, so it’s interesting — and depressing — to hear about his perspective from you.

    As to the overarching topic, well, there’s a lot of ruin in a country, so there is still quite a bit of competence and decency left in my country, in the lower and middle echelons, and even in the higher ones outside politics and education. But our ruling class and our public intellectuals are mostly a desaster, and in good German style they do their best to be a more thorough desaster than their counterparts in most other Western countries.

    So it’s not quite Potemkin yet, but the rot is real and we’re well on our way to that destination.

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  167. @Anon
    I think there is a fundamental misconception of what it's all about.

    Societies are organizations created by organisms. So, the foundation of any organization, social-political-or-otherwise, must focus on the well-being of the organism. After all, an entire city can be destroyed, but if human-organisms remain, a new one can be built. German and Japanese cities were horribly destroyed in WWII, but they were rebuilt. Even Hiroshima. Why? Human organisms remained. It's like someone can mess up an ant colony with water and feet, but as long as ants survive, they can rebuild it.

    Ideas, values, and systems all exist to serve the organism. Humans are organisms of nature and of culture. As natural organisms, they are of flesh and blood. As cultural beings, they have identities, memories, and concepts in their consciousness(created by the organ of the brains). But there must first be the organism. That is key. Even culture is secondary. After all, a people can survive even great cultural destruction. The barbarian invasions destroyed much of classical culture in Western Europe, but the European races did remain and were able to rediscover what was lost. The Bolshevik Revolution destroyed many churches and art works, but as long as Russians survived, they were able to restore much of Russian culture. The Maoist Cultural Revolution was horrible in wrecking so much, but as long as the Chinese people survived, they were able to piece together what remained and restore the continuation of Chinese culture.

    So, the fundamental foundation of EU should be the preservation, survival, and defense of the European Organism as natural being and cultural being. Other considerations are also necessary, but the foundations must be preservation, defense, and survival of the organisms. Only when such is secure can other things be considered.

    But materialism, atomization, vanity-feminism, male immaturism, interracism, and PC are weakening the very premise of European Order.

    Europeans have the tree upside down. Roots must be in the ground and offer stability to the trunk from which form the branches from which forms the leaves. A tree cannot survive if you chop it in half and if you plant it upside down with leaves as roots.

    The notion of 'European or Western values' are all very good, and I don't mind liberalism either as long as its sane and sober. But they must be outgrowths of the solid and stable European trunk with roots firmly into the ground.

    An order isn't built on ideas as premise. It is built on survival and security of the organism, and ideas grow from that.

    The problem of the West is that the idea of 'rights' take precedence of the idea of 'fights'.



    Rights are abstract guarantees allowed by the state. Negative rights are for individuals who wish for autonomy, and positive rights are for the community with collective interests, such as social security.

    But for there to be a system of 'rights', there first has to be a secure and stable social order that guarantees the survival of the organisms. So, 'fights' must precede the 'rights'.
    Fights would be the securing and strengthening of the forces that allow the organisms to survive, thrive, and reproduce in its own chosen domain. So, before there can be any talk of human rights, there must be the consideration of organismic fights.

    After all, what use are 'rights' on their own when only a stable and secure order can guarantee those rights in the first place?
    Whether the rights are negative(individual) or positive(collective), they are useless without the power of the state that governs and manages the Order. And for that state to operate, it has to defend the organisms of the domain. After all, those very organisms are the main supporters and enablers of the state. (It's like the mind has to serve the body. If the mind hurts the body, the body will no longer sustain the mind, and the mind will die too.)
    If the organisms are not defended, then the order will fall apart, and then the state won't function either. And then, all those rights will just be abstract nothings since there is no power to guarantee them via enforcement.
    Suppose Sweden continues to expose itself from massive African and Muslim invasion to the point where whites are a defenseless minority. The state would hardly function with all those barbarians and savages roaming around. Soon, the notion of 'rights' would be just empty talk since the Order(now disorder) would be unable to enforce anything.
    Rights don't exist in nature. 'Rights' is a abstract ideal that can only be enforced by the state. But for a stable order to exist in the first place, it has to be secured by fights. Fights would determine who is 'us' and who is 'them'. Fights would determine which land is our land and which land is their land. While not fixed permanently -- as wars can change boundaries as in WWI and WWII -- , there needs to be some kind of borderline to secure the peace among competing powers. Even animals have this territorial instinct. Without such borders, any people could move into any place, and that would lead to mess and mayhem; Order simply isn't possible with ceaseless mass migrations on a huge scale.
    Indeed, the most fundamental concept of rights, that of property rights, is founded on the reality of fights. In order to prevent everyone from bickering and attacking one another at all times, the concept of property rights acknowledges the instinct for territorial 'fights' within the organismic instinct. So, there is bound to be far more peace among neighbors if people know where the property begins and ends, like on Sanford and Son.

    https://youtu.be/swvn78ipqSs?t=9m27s

    It was through the struggle of fights that each domain was created, defended, and secured for posterity. And it was only when the domain enjoyed that security that it could grow and eventually develop the concept of rights that made life more pleasant for those in the domain. So, rights grew out of fights, and that means that fights must take precedence over any consideration of rights.

    Fights are not pleasant, but it is only through fights that a domain can be created and defended in order for there to be the guarantee of rights.
    Now, fights in the modern sense isn't necessarily violent. It merely needs to use the threat of violence. So, every nation has its military and organized system of laws that favor those of the domain over those outside it who may or may not be hostile enemies. Once the fights secure a domain, then the rights can exist to make life easier and pleasant for its members. And as long as outsiders are a minority who respect the majority, they too can partake of the rights as fellow citizens. Indeed, the concept of martial law or state-of-emergency proves that fights come before rights. If a domain is under 'existential' threat, rights must be suspended in order to favor the fights for basic survival.

    So, in order for a nation like Germany to work, it has to first think in terms of fights. What is Germany, where is Germany, who are Germans, and what is German identity and culture? Those fight-centric things must be secured and defended by military, organization, and laws . And once there is a secure Germany with posterity, then rights can be practiced and expanded.

    But the tragedy of the Current Year is that Europeans are not allowed to think in terms of fights. Thus, they don't know what they are, who their brethren and sistren are, what their core territory is, what their history is, and etc. Since they no sense of what they are, they have no sense of fights.
    And without the survivalist foundation of fights, the sense of rights become fuzzy, confused, vague, shifting, and even dangerous. Since rights are not seen as outgrowths of fights, they are applied to everyone. So, French rights are not about the historic racial/cultural French folks. They must apply to the world. So any invader is also deserving of French rights. And since there is no Core France, the 'French' must keep inviting more and more outsiders and aliens to become 'French' and enjoy 'French' rights. And Germany is under the same delusion, as is the UK where BAFTA announced that films won't be nominated for awards unless they have 'diversity'. So, BAFTA doesn't defend the rights of white Britons rooted in British 'fights'. Rather, because it rejects the idea of British identity rooted in race and culture, British rights are 'universal' and apply to all, and the UK must bring in more and more foreigners who are just as 'British' as historic Britons and deserving of 'rights'. And the police in Rotherham must suppress any sense of fights. If a bunch of white girls are raped by Muslim gangs, the police must favor the 'rights' of non-whites over the basic 'fights' of white British girls to live in safety in their own homeland. This is what happens when rights are disconnected from fights.
    This is obviously insane. If Israel practiced this kind of 'rights' with neighboring Muslims, how long would the nation survive? Surely, Israel was founded on the basis of Zionist fights, and it's been defended by nationalist fights, and Zionist rights are premised on the security availed by those fights. Indeed, even the rights that Palestinian-Israelis enjoy in Israel are possible only because Israel is secured by fights. Jews are willing to be generous with Palestinians IN Israel because they have the power and dominance. If Israelis felt as insecure as Hutus in Rwanda, the practice of rights would collapse and it would turn into bloody struggle between Jews and Arabs as in 1948.

    Western concept of human rights severed from organismic need for survival fights is useless. They are just leaves blowing in the wind from a dead tree.
    It's like the Rule of Law must flow from the Rule of Claw, or else it's the Rule of Flaw.

    Humans are organisms, and all organisms are in constant state of war. Though all of life has single ancestor in some single-cell organism long long long ago, the descendants of life have been attacking and eating each other. So, in a way, it's like super-cannibalism since life eats life. And humans are no different. We destroy plants and animals for food. Humans fight humans. Even in 21st century, nations are at war. Under Obama, Libya was destroyed. Russians used military power to defend their interests. (The neocon paradox is that making Russia out to be the great enemy instills Americans with fear over getting into a war with Russia. Neocons feel that Russia is economically so small and weak that US can easily kick it butt and drive Putin from power. After all, Russian economy is less than that of Italy. US spends 10x more on military. So, neocons are confident that the US can crush Russia. But most Americans don't want care about foreign affairs. So, the Neocons have to hype how evil and dangerous Russia is in order to get Americans all riled up against Russia. But such scare-mongering convinces Americans that, geez, maybe Russia is a badass nation, and we better not mess with it.. which defeats the whole Neocon purpose. Russia is both so dangerous that all Americans must worry about it AND so weak that the US can easily kick butt.)
    Since organisms are always at war, the premise of life is Rule of Claw. And all human orders also came into being by rule of claw, or mace, sword, spears, arrows, guns, cannons, bombs, and etc. But rule of claw itself is unpleasant and too brutish. So, there needs to be Rule of Law. But the power of law has meaning ONLY IN PLACES where it can be enforced by violence or threat of violence.
    Rule of Law is not something that exists in nature. Nor is it something that the state can guarantee in all places outside its sphere of enforcement. What happens to be the Law in the US isn't in some other part of the world. Look at the poor sod in MIDNIGHT EXPRESS the movie. He ain't protected by US laws there.
    Now, the Rule of Claw exists in nature, and all organisms use it to defend itself. But Rule of Claw is bloody and cruel. So, we prefer Rule of Law. But the Rule of Law must first be established by Rule of Claw(or guns or whatever). After all, US was founded through violent wars against 'red savages', violent repression of outlaws(like Lee Marvin characters), and violent transformation of nature filled with bears and wolves into human habitats secured by the reach of enforcement of laws.

    So, the concept of Rule of Law must be seen as outgrowth of Rule of Claw.
    Another advantage of sensible formulation of Rule of Law is the sense of limits. Clannism and tribalism are too close to Rule of Claw, as hatcoys and mcfields demonstrated all too well with their stupid vendettas. Clannism isn't far above Claw-ism. So, clannism had to be suppressed in order for there be larger communities of united purpose. And for this to be realized, the ideal was an order with a majority population united by race, culture, and language. Thus, the nation-state is ideal for Rule of Law. Yet, if Rule of Law tries to stretch beyond the nation-state of shared ethnos and mythos, it moves into mode of empire, which is never easy to maintain because very different peoples have contrasting and competing identities, interests, customs, values, taboos, and etc. The more Rule of Law tries to expand beyond its national perimeters or the more it tries to increase diversity within its national boundaries, there's gonna be trouble when the breaking point is reached.
    US effort to spread Rule of Law to Libya and Iraq has been disastrous. And both EU and US are suffering all sorts of shocks to the system due to increasing diversity of people of competing interests, made all the worse by the fact that the 'good whites' that control elite institutions are addicted to the thrill of virtue-signaling against 'bad whites' to score pokemon or PC-mon points with non-whites. Just look at the 'hate hoax' lunacy in the US.
    So, Rule of Law divorced from consideration of Rule of Claw turns into Rule of Flaw. While Rule of Claw isn't enough for humans who deserve something higher and nobler, it must be the roots of Rule of Law as all orders must primarily defended and maintained through force and/or threat of force. Rule of Claw can give into Rule of Law only if the Rule of Law promises to use its power to defend the well being of core organisms within the domain. When Rule of Law fails to do that and promises to apply to EVERYONE across all borders, that is the beginning of the end of the Domain. All this bitching about defending 'liberal values' from the dangers of the 'far right' in the EU is such trite PC nonsense. So-called 'liberal values' can only be organic outgrowths of a well-defended domain of core organisms with identity and culture that are deemed worthy of defending. But when the elites of Sweden say there is no core Swedish identity and culture, that is recipe for suicide. If that is 'liberal values', it is nuts. It's like believing in the worth leaves while denying the reality of trunks and the roots.

    What is so dispiriting about Current EU is that its people have forgotten their own historical lessons. The reason why Europe rose to such prominence was not because of imperial diversity but because of the spirit of independence that amazingly maintained so many dynamic states, kingdoms, and nations within that crowded continent. It was like a replay of Greek city states except on the national level.
    It was inter-diversity than intra-diversity that made the West. Empires are intra-diverse cuz different peoples come under the same power. Roman Empire was intra-diverse. The Ottoman Empire was intra-diverse. So were the Chinese empire and Russian empire. Empires develop because various peoples aren't strong or proud enough to insist on their own independence.
    Unlike most peoples around the world who came under the power of empires, the various European folks insisted on their independence. Even when they were conquered, they worked hard to regain independence. And this spirit was behind American Independence to break from the UK and forge its own path. American Revolutionaries didn't want to be part of the British Empire that stretched across the world. Whatever was okay for 'darkies' was not okay for the Founders who had the spirit to break free. Because of this powerful spirit among Europeans, even the Soviets got tired of ruling over Eastern Europeans. Though Soviets had the power, they sensed the furor and anger all around among the various nationalities that clamored for independence.

    Given that Western Roman Empire fell while Eastern Roman Empire survived, the logical wager would have been to bet on the Eastern Empire that continued with the Roman tradition. But the West kept gaining in power while the East kept slipping. Why? Among many reasons, one was that Western Europe couldn't be quelled and united by a single power. As there were several competing kingdoms, there was fierce competition in weapons and technology, like Niall Ferguson said in the Killer Apps series. In contrast, the giant empires of Byzantine and Persians suppressed competitive spirit in the East. And much of state power was exerted in maintaining order over diverse peoples who had little in common. While mere isolation can keep a people backward, independence can make it competitive and innovative. Japan vis-a-vis China borrowed ideas from the continental giant but also maintained its independence, and that accounted for much of the achievement. Suppose China had conquered Japan and ruled over it as just another empire of China. Japanese would likely have done much less.

    Given WWI and WWII, Europeans have come to see competition among Europeans as an evil that will lead to WWIII, but this is stupid. The age of empires was finished in Western Europe after WWII and it also ended in the East with the end of the Cold War. So, the danger of wars is gone. Europe can still remain competitive with one another without war, and for this to happen, each nation must maintain its spirit of independence and pride. All nations can trade and cooperate where necessary, but the spirit of competition comes from independence of mind and spirit and identity. It's like the Olympics encourage the spirit of competition because there are many nations. If all nations were part of a single empire, who'd care about the Olympics? Olympics started in Greece where each city-state guarded its pride and independence to the extent it could. Of course, the city-state as an organizing principle is too small for the modern world. It still works in places like Singapore, but they are small and overly depend on other nations for stability and defense. Still, the spirit of the Greek city-states was crucial to the formation of the Western spirit.

    Intra-diverse empire that rules over various peoples(crushed of their independent spirit) eventually leads to stasis and decline.
    In contrast, the inter-diverse 'compire' or competitive empire of independent states leads not only to sense of freedom and pride but much innovation borne of competition. And Western Europe was like a 'compire'. It was bound by commonality of race and religion(mostly Christianity), and in that sense, most of Western Europe was a single Civilization. And yet, different groups with different identities and languages insisted on their independence and, in vying for power, they had to be ultra-competitive and never rest on their laurels.

    In contrast, the ruling elites of intra-diverse empires were either complacent in their total mastery or over-stressed on maintaining the empire together to focus on anything else. As for the subject peoples of the empire, they were often without pride and sense of independent spirit that could spark individuality and innovation. They just kept their heads low and get what is theirs. Ottoman Empire just kept slipping.

    Though we tend to look down on Arabs and Muslims, it was during the reasonably competitive era of the Cold War that there was considerable progress in that part of that world. Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Saudi Arabia, and etc made considerable progress(even if less than Asia) in competition with one another, sometimes friendly, sometimes not so friendly. And there were advances in technology and improvements in living standards. But all that came to an end as the US empire stretched its arms all over with endless invasions, interventions, and sanctions. As entire areas of MENA fell directly or indirectly under the power of US neo-imperialism, there was destruction and decline all around. Just look at Syria, Libya, and Iraq today. Set back 40 yrs. That's what empires do.

    Interesting.

    Choose a handle and a password (aka fake email address).

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  168. Yak-15 says:
    @Whiskey
    Germany, Sweden, cucking, what could they have in common? Oh right, feminism. Any European society that exalts its women ends up in that place: a dysfunctional society that loathes its native men and punishes them for being born straight, White, and rewards foreign men the more thuggish they behave. Why is anyone surprised that the German government, run from the top down by "Mutti" Merkel, has the toughness of a limp noodle towards foreigners.

    In order to enforce the laws and keep violent foreigners out, or deport them if they arrive, it requires the WILL. There is no will because a nation of Lena Dunhams is engaged in an eternal war against their men. And the traditional Western good treatment of women thus becomes the fatal weakness for the West. Germany in particular.

    Its an open question, with the odds on the downside, if Germany will simply totally surrender to Islam. Because its women want it.

    I appreciate the consistently in message but you have swallowed too much red pill.

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  169. Yak-15 says:
    @whorefinder
    Death by old age cannot be prevented, terrorism can.

    And the secondary psychological effects of terrorism affect the living.

    Exactly. How many dead is this commitment to ideology worth? I would say zero unless it had a huge payoff. However, so long as the deaths aren’t personal acquaintances many leftists would say thousands per year. You can literally have zero deaths to Muslims terrorists by allowing zero Muslims in your country and kicking the rest out.

    How many people willingly die from infections because they are Christian Scientists? Certainly more will die to Islamic immigration. Who is the lunatic?

    I think this issue is at the heart of liberalism. How many must die for my “progressive agenda” before we move on?

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  170. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jack D
    I don't know what the German's long term plans were for the rest of the world but as for Russia the long term plan was to exterminate the Slavs and replace them with Germans. They had no compunction about killing millions of Slavs because these were people who were going to be written out of history anyway. As soon as they were done running the Jews thru their death factories they were ready to move on to the next race slated for elimination.

    With unlimited Lebensraum and fascist ideology, maybe Hitler could have gotten German birth rates up to the kind of birth rates we see in the Moslem world so 80 million Germans could have become 560 million. The population of Saudi Arabia has increased sevenfold since 1960.

    The US was (barely) able to endure a Cold War with a bunch of people who like to drink bath lotion. Who knows whether we could have stood up to 500 million Nazis?

    The ultimate irony is that the Germans have started once again on their favorite past-time, shitting on the Slavs, with Merkel’s rabid insistence that Poland ‘must’ take in unlimited numbers of third world ‘asylum’ racketeers.

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  171. Lugash says:
    @David Davenport
    ... So we’ve seen all kinds of cheating, if not necessarily illegal, to skirt around the regulatory hurdles. VW did nothing wrong.

    Cheating is cheating. VW cheated.

    Yep. Arguing that the EPA invented the scandal is nonsense.

    If Germany’s a Potemkin society, I think the US is as well. Germany’s police and bureaucracy probably outperform the United State’s AA and PC ones any day of the week.

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  172. @Steve Richter
    Heck, look at WWII for examples of the contradiction of German excellence and incompetence. Going to war against Russia without a heavy bomber. Allowing Hitler to run the country, then failing to execute an assassination. The encirclement of its army at Stalingrad.

    The guys fighting the Wehrmacht, Waffen SS, Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine didn’t think that they were up against incompetents. And the German merchant marine pulled off several near-miraculous evacuations from Sicily and the Baltic. The WWII German war effort can generally be summed up as tactical and operational brilliance marred by incompetent strategic and grand strategic thinking.

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  173. @Steve Richter

    I have a feeling future generations may view the charge that we had to fight WWII so we wouldn’t have to speak German as in the same category as Saddam’s WMDs.
     
    heck, a convincing case can be made that Germany, as a threat to its neighbors, was defeated in December 1941, when the Russians halted the German advance on Moscow and started to retake territory.

    The Wehrmacht was as far as the Caucasus by mid-1942.

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    The Wehrmacht was as far as the Caucasus by mid-1942.

    In his book *Panzer Leader* published in English in ( I think ) 1957, Heinz Guderian says that instead of dividing their forces into a Northern Army, aiming for Leningrad, a Central Army pointed toward Moscow, and a Southern Army in the Caucasus, all German forces should have concentrated on taking Moscow. After taking Moscow, conquest of other parts of the USSR would have followed. This would have been a winning plan.

    Guderian says he and other officers knew this at the time, but the Big Boss insisted on spreading his army much too thinly.

    Armchair generals post 1941-42 tend to agree with Guderian.
  174. @Svigor
    Trump backers get 'revenge gifts' from relatives: donations to liberal causes

    Proper response:

    Dear giver,

    I'm glad a Trump voter and a Trump pre-presidency have finally inspired you to support causes you believe in.

    Trump is already making the world a better place, and he hasn't even taken office yet!

    In the spirit of your gift, I am going to make a matching contribution to the NRA, in your name.

    Merry Christmas!


    “I thought I could make a point and in the process be generous to a human rights cause that is only going to become more important now,” said Urban.
     
    Trump makes human rights cause more important, news at 11!

    I think the NRA is pretty race-cucked. Make the donation to iSteve or through vDare!

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  175. @Bill Jones
    Lincoln laid out just where collecting taxes stood in terms of priorities in his first Inaugaral Address. (The one they didn't teach you at school)

    Slavery:

    "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."
    No problem, how benign

    However


    Collecting Taxes

    "The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the Government and to collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion, no using of force against or among the people anywhere."

    Invasion, Using of force against the people

    My reaction is to wonder whether a seceded South could have negotiated a “high autonomy compromise”: we pay the tribute money (taxes) and you leave us alone? Probably not–too many extremists on both sides.

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  176. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    One strength Germany has is its excellent tradition in professional & vocational education. Sure a lot of this is hide-bound and wasteful for the three years traineeship / apprenticeship for even the most basic jobs. Lots of this could be rationalized and made more efficient for what the work actually demands and augmented with continuing education and further training "just-in-time" for when more skill is required. Nevertheless the best part of this system is that it isn't necessary to send an entire young generation through the SJW indoctrination mills of the Cathedral that American higher education has become. Americans seem to underestimate the German vocational education system. When Yanks think "apprenticeship" and "Vo-Tech" they think plumbers, mechanics and other blue-collar technicians. German apprenticeships are also well placed in IT, healthcare, banks, business and institutional administration and other knowledge work that in the US would require a at least a bachelors degree to get an interview but hardly necessitate that university training to get the job done well.

    France has a system that more closely resembles the U.S., but one reads French press articles praising the German system.

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  177. cd says: • Website

    I want to see a civil war betwene the WN and the alright to clean out the heretics.

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  178. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    For all those here with a superstitious bent of mind, may I add that the EU, in its 1993 post-Maastricht constitution, at least, has just about the most evil – in terms of overbearing tyranny against ‘the people’ – horoscope of just about any national entity in history.

    You read it here first.

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  179. @dfordoom

    Or maybe they look at France and see it has lots of anti-terror capabilities and still gets hit (Britain has done better; Ed West credits MI5).
     
    Maybe the Germans aren't real comfortable with the idea of having a really effective security police. They did have one once and it got kind of a bad name.

    Maybe the Germans aren’t real comfortable with the idea of having a really effective security police.

    .
    Yeah right. And think of two additional things:

    No. 1) Stasi – the most efective security police that ever there was – in Europe…

    No. 2) “….and the malediction of your bad deeds will hold on till the seventh generation.”

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  180. @dfordoom

    Heck, look at WWII for examples of the contradiction of German excellence and incompetence. Going to war against Russia without a heavy bomber.
     
    Their tanks were pretty much a joke as well when they ran up against T-34s. In fact their tanks were a joke when they went up against Matildas and the French Char B1 in 1940. Added to which their tanks were ludicrously unsuitable for operations in Russia.

    German armor prior to the introduction of the advanced versions of the Mark IV and the Panther and Tiger tanks was seriously deficient. Yet the Wehrmacht won most of the battles until 1942; a tribute to German organization, tactics and training. If the tanks were a “joke,” a lot of French, British and Russian soldiers didn’t live to hear the punchline.

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    Churchill: "You don't know war until you have faught Germans."
    , @Lurker
    Agree.

    I think WW2 propaganda and beyond tended to portray German tanks as superlative and that the plucky allied troops were lucky to defeat at all. But as you point out, German advantages at the beginning of the war were much less about the physical advantages of the tanks.
    , @dfordoom

    Yet the Wehrmacht won most of the battles until 1942; a tribute to German organization, tactics and training.
     
    True enough, but the point we're discussing is overall German efficiency, which includes industrial efficiency. Sending troops to battle in sub-standard tanks isn't very efficient.

    With better equipment the Germans would have had a better chance of winning the Battle of Moscow in 1941, which in retrospect is the battle that lost the war for them.

    And I'm sure German pilots were excellent but they lost the Battle of Britain because they lacked decent long-range fighters.

    They also lost the Battle of the Atlantic because they started the war with only a handful of U-boats. Instead they were building useless surface ships like the Bismarck.

    The Germans just hadn't thought through this whole fighting a war thing.
  181. cda says: • Website

    Well I remembered when the Federal Republic of Germany had 6,000 main battle tanks and assault guns in the 80s, for perspective the Wehrmacht had only 3,000 tanks at the start of Operation Barbarossa.

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  182. Parbes says:
    @Jack D
    I don't know what the German's long term plans were for the rest of the world but as for Russia the long term plan was to exterminate the Slavs and replace them with Germans. They had no compunction about killing millions of Slavs because these were people who were going to be written out of history anyway. As soon as they were done running the Jews thru their death factories they were ready to move on to the next race slated for elimination.

    With unlimited Lebensraum and fascist ideology, maybe Hitler could have gotten German birth rates up to the kind of birth rates we see in the Moslem world so 80 million Germans could have become 560 million. The population of Saudi Arabia has increased sevenfold since 1960.

    The US was (barely) able to endure a Cold War with a bunch of people who like to drink bath lotion. Who knows whether we could have stood up to 500 million Nazis?

    “The US was (barely) able to endure a Cold War with a bunch of people who like to drink bath lotion.”

    Ruusians don’t “like to drink bath lotion”, you moronic bigot.

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    Typo correction: "RUSSIANS don’t 'like to drink bath lotion', you MORONIC BIGOT."
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    Only bigots stereotype Russians as alcoholics.

    Russia bath lotion kills 49 drinkers in Irkutsk
  183. @Larry, San Francisco
    Weimar culture was very creative in both the arts, film and music. It had a large Jewish component of course and many of most creative non-Jews fled from Hitler with their Jewish (also true of some scientists). Leni Rifenstahl was probably the most talented artist who stayed (did not work out for her in the long-run though). After the war the culture took a pretty big hit. I saw a lot of Herzog and other German movies and boy they don't brighten up your day. However, the Germans did produce some good synth rock music. I was a big fan of Bauhaus & Kraftwerk in my youth. Interesting comparison to France. A snobby French friend of mine looked away embarrassed when I asked him about French Rock

    “A snobby French friend of mine looked away embarrassed when I asked him about French Rock”

    Daft Punk are pretty good, I suppose they’re not exactly rock.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOngRDVtEQI

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  184. Parbes says:
    @Anonymous
    A "reasonable" counter terrorist force, lol. GSG9 is widely considered to be the best in the field. Various Israeli generals have said they think its the best in the world, and it regularly ranks highest in rankings of counter terrorist forces.

    And of course, all those BMWs are just illusions...yes, a real Potemkin society.

    Ridiculousness aside, I can believe Germany hasn't developed a great defense establishment, much like Japan has a pretty ridiculous army now...oh wait, maybe Japan is also a Potemkin society.

    The problem with both Germany and Japan is that they have been supine U.S. vassal states since the end of World War II, under the thumb or massive influence of the U.S. politically, militarily, economically, socially and culturally. Neither one is truly sovereign or free.

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  185. @Anonym
    Governance is child’s play, if you are governing Germans.

    That is an insightful comment. As you imply, it holds for most of Europe as well. It's easy to police law abiding people. People are generally not aware that it doesn't take many people who commit crimes at an order of magnitude greater rates, speak an impenetrable language and don't inform on their kin, to bring a police precinct to its knees. Even the order of magnitude greater crime rates is enough to do that, coupled with the economic uselessness of the new people to pay for the existing police let alone an order of magnitude greater number of police.

    It really is a thin blue line. If it only takes a few Muslims to create no-go zones, it wouldn't take too many patriots to make life hell for the traitor government. Surely some of the most redpilled would be in the police itself. Some deliberate incompetence on their part would be very helpful in certain circumstances. We only have to look at the examples of the IRA to see what is possible with the support of a lot of the population, if people are willing to "go there".

    “We only have to look at the examples of the IRA to see what is possible with the support of a lot of the population, if people are willing to “go there”.”

    Catholics on both sides of the border were given a very Irish version of history at school, the Four Green Fields, Drogheda and the Famine loomed large.

    UK schools and media are nonstop SJW propaganda. The young people are most SJW of all.

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  186. Pericles says:
    @5371
    [the VW emissions scandal; several rounds of Siemens getting caught greasing palms in foreign countries; and Deutsche Bank in serious, possibly fatal, financial trouble as of this year after being rocked by continual losses, penalties, and scandals, including a $7 billion settlement with the US Justice Department over malfeasance in the 2008 crash announced just today]

    All the things you mention are actually robbery under law by the US Justice Department. They know they can get away with anything against foreign companies, and do.

    The US Justice Department is good at milking the foreigners.

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    OT: Interesting read on the emissions scandal http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/25/business/vw-wvu-diesel-volkswagen-west-virginia.html
  187. Pericles says:
    @Pseudonymic Handle
    Merkel's Boner was a disastrous decision, but the decision to shut down the nuclear power plants and put a lot of money in solar power was even more bizarre given how rarely Germany (and western Europe generally) sees the sun.
    I expect Merkel, a physics PhD and a former quantum chemistry researcher, understands this energy stuff really well.
    I think Merkel is just a populist, doing what she thinks most germans want at that moment. If the people start demanding antiterrorist measures she will do that in a heartbeat.
    BTW many military observers were critical of german military performance in Afghanistan and the Bundeswehr is seriously underfunded to the extent that vehicle combat readiness is below 50%.

    “the decision to shut down the nuclear power plants and put a lot of money in solar power was even more bizarre”

    Well, there are two mitigating factors: First, there is a Europe-wide power trading scheme, so the Germans can, for example, buy Swedish nuclear and hydro power if the sun is not out that day. Second, Gerhard Schröder, I believe, got Germany started on huffing Russian gas.

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  188. Pericles says:
    @Hepp
    Hilarious timely article from Bloomberg

    As Germany wrestles with the political and economic fallout of surging immigration, one thing has become clear. The foreigners are giving the country something it needs: more babies.

    In 2015, Germany’s birthrate rose to 1.5 per woman, the highest in 33 years. The state statistics service attributed the increase mainly to foreign-born mothers, who accounted for a record-high 1 in 5 births. German-born moms have an average of 1.4 kids; for foreign-born women, the figure is higher than 1.9. “It’s much easier to be a family and have kids here,” says Basima Shhadat, who gave birth to a daughter in Munich in 2015, a year after arriving from Syria with her husband and five sons. Four other sons died in Syria, she says. “My kids can live here. There are no bombs.”

     

    Yes, why not? Have 9 kids in Syria, lose 4 to the jihad, keep 5 others, go to Merkel's Germany so you can have a few more. No way that this can go wrong.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-15/europe-s-migrant-flood-brings-germany-a-much-needed-baby-boom

    Combined with relentless propaganda for native girls not to ever, ever, ever get pregnant. Your glamorous life will be ruined! The rest of it will just be drudgery to serve some … man. Who will run away and leave you with 1.2 squalling brats. Why take that risk when you can be forever young, forever ready to buy another pair of shoes?

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  189. Romanian says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    I read you so much Steve, I almost feel that you're family. Merry Christmas and a Happy and Prosperous New Year!

    The lovable Uncle with the “weird” political views! Omigawd, he’s like such a Nazi!

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  190. Dumbo says:
    @NOTA
    Terrorism really is a small problem in terms of number of fatalities. And I may be missing something, but I'm not sure what counterterrorism policies would have helped Germany in the last few years--their problems seem to be related to immigration and EU-wide open borders.

    “Terrorism really is a small problem in terms of number of fatalities.”

    I never understand this argument. The number of fatalities may be low, but if there were no Muslims in Germany, it could be zero. And even if they kill relatively few people, they cause a lot of economic damage.

    For instance, after the attack in Berlin, armed Police was sent to “protect” all German Christmas Markets, even in smaller towns, something that was seen as completely unnecessary a few days ago. Can you imagine the cost of that? And totally pointless too, as they would not be able to protect against a truck. Plus, the reduction in tourism, etc. It’s lose-lose with those immigrants.

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  191. Pericles says:
    @NOTA
    Terrorism really is a small problem in terms of number of fatalities. And I may be missing something, but I'm not sure what counterterrorism policies would have helped Germany in the last few years--their problems seem to be related to immigration and EU-wide open borders.

    Terrorism really is a small problem in terms of number of fatalities.

    The police can skip it as long as you won’t investigate informal counter-terrorist activities either.

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  192. Parbes says:
    @Parbes
    "The US was (barely) able to endure a Cold War with a bunch of people who like to drink bath lotion."

    Ruusians don't "like to drink bath lotion", you moronic bigot.

    Typo correction: “RUSSIANS don’t ‘like to drink bath lotion’, you MORONIC BIGOT.”

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  193. Romanian says:
    @Anonymous
    A "reasonable" counter terrorist force, lol. GSG9 is widely considered to be the best in the field. Various Israeli generals have said they think its the best in the world, and it regularly ranks highest in rankings of counter terrorist forces.

    And of course, all those BMWs are just illusions...yes, a real Potemkin society.

    Ridiculousness aside, I can believe Germany hasn't developed a great defense establishment, much like Japan has a pretty ridiculous army now...oh wait, maybe Japan is also a Potemkin society.

    The Japanese can self-defense quite a number of countries to death if they have to!

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  194. Dumbo says:
    @Anon
    We need a birth rate collapse. The idea of ever increasing populations as an economic engine is stupid.

    Broski

    I sort of agree, but the best would be not to have immigrants. Lower birth rate without immigrants around is less problematic. But when you are competing with other tribes in the same place, if you have a lower birth rate you may go the way of the Neanderthal.

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    I sort of agree, but the best would be not to have immigrants. Lower birth rate without immigrants around is less problematic. But when you are competing with other tribes in the same place, if you have a lower birth rate you may go the way of the Neanderthal.


    But what did happen to the Neanderthals? Might the Neander folk have survived if they had kept the Cro-Magnon "immigrants" out of post-Ice Age Europe?

    And what evidence can you cite to show that the Neanderthals had a low birth rate?
  195. Merry Christmas to you too, Steve. Certainly looking forward to your analysis in 2017. We will need it more than ever next year. Thank you.

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  196. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    On the Volkswagen emissions scandal, it seems as this was a skirmish in an undeclared cold trade war between the EU and the USA.

    Basically, the EU is aggrieved that it never managed to develop a viable internet/computer device industry – something that EU bigwigs think is the defining industry of the present era.Hence, the very real resentment and envy of such US tech giants as Apple, Google and Microsoft, of which there are no European equivalents. So the EU reacts by doing such things as imposing retroactive taxation on Apple. Incidentally that underhand and unscrupulous move can only strengthen the post brexit UK position.
    The USA retaliates by scrutinizing leading EU manufacturers to the fullest extent.

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    • Replies: @epebble
    If you read the report http://www.theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/WVU_LDDV_in-use_ICCT_Report_Final_may2014.pdf

    This is anything but a witch hunt.
  197. bomag says:
    @utu
    Germany's Grenzschutz did very well in Mogadishu.

    The Berlin attack should be more worrisome as it may indicate that German police or special forces got infiltrated by the same characters who organize similar happenings and real events in other parts of the world, meaning that Germany's sovereignty was compromised.

    Germany is still doing the best it can under the duress. It was not Germany that participated in war on Libya or war on Syria. It was not Germany that cut UN funding to refugees camps in Turkey and Jordan. It was not Germany that printed maps and invitations to Germany for refugees. It was not Germany that provided money to smugglers to bring refugees to Greece. It was not Germany that organized refugees in marching columns of young single men?

    Yes, it was Merkel on the faithful night in September 2015 in cooperation with Austria made the announcement of letting people in but what was her other option? I see her action as the Aikido move to take away the force form the aggressor. She deflected the blow which possible intention was to create crisis in Europe and give total support to American coalition to bomb Syria and also to torpedo Obama's agreement with Iran. Merkel diffused the crisis and gave Putin few extra weeks to move to Syria.

    It was not Germany that printed maps and invitations to Germany for refugees. It was not Germany that provided money to smugglers to bring refugees to Greece.

    These are then the enemies of Germany, and steps should be taken against them. I suggest artillery barrages.

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  198. @Parbes
    "The US was (barely) able to endure a Cold War with a bunch of people who like to drink bath lotion."

    Ruusians don't "like to drink bath lotion", you moronic bigot.

    Only bigots stereotype Russians as alcoholics.

    Russia bath lotion kills 49 drinkers in Irkutsk

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    He didn't "stereotype Russians as alcoholics" - what he wrote was: "...a bunch of people who LIKE TO DRINK BATH LOTION". "Being an alcoholic" and "LIKING to drink BATH LOTION" are two completely different and unrealted things - those people who died in Irkutsk didn't DELIBERATELY drink bath lotion; it was mixed into what they thought was regular alcohol by some criminals. Apparently, both you and the bigot "Jack D." are too dumb to comprehend this.

    Anyway, even if it really HAD been "stereotyping as alcoholics" in his stupid post, it would not have made it right - stereotyping an entire nation or society in a derogatory way based on the behavior of SOME of its members is almost always fallacious and wrong. By the same logic, Americans could be stereotyped as "a bunch of narco-crazed druggies", considering the levels of narcotic addiction and related deaths, crimes etc. in the U.S. every year.
  199. @Steve Richter
    Have ethnic Germans contributed to pop culture? Any comics, talk show hosts, rock musicians, TV or movie actors? Have German Jews been just as successful as Eastern European and Russian Jews in the Arts?

    Sprockets

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  200. @joeyjoejoe
    Probably no more so than the rest of the West.

    When I was stationed in Germany in the late 1980's, the polezei (West German police) had the reputation of badasses. By that I mean, if you were screwing up, they wouldn't hesitate to smack you in the head with their billyclubs to get you in line (and not that they would arbitrarily smack you-they were peceived as hardass, but just).

    There are so many instances in all of Western society where people obviously don't have the confidence to do the right thing; drunks? control them (with a billy club, if necessary). I was struck by the gang rape/gang sex situation in Minnesota by the white guy spokesman for the team's boycott: is it imaginable that any white guy, just 20 years ago, would side with 10 (or even 20) black guys gang raping a coed?

    Ivanka being harassed on a plane: the gay harasser did it (and wasn't punished for it-he was removed from the plane and simply got a later flight) because he knew he wouldn't be punished for it. Nobody stood up for the solitary mom and her young kids, because they knew they would potentially be punished for it.

    Why does the Left engage in voter fraud (in Detroit, in Philadelphia, etc etc)? Because they can.

    The idiocy of transvestites in public bathrooms.

    And so on and so on. Behaviors that would have been unacceptable within the memory of most readers of this blog, are now publically considered acceptable. But more importantly, those behaviors, I think, are still considered unacceptable (gang rape, men in women's bathrooms, enforcing the law, and so on)-the mass of people are simply afraid to say so. Unlike genuine moral change (1950: excluding blacks from college is ok. 1990: it isn't anymore), the behavioral/'moral' changes are being imposed on the people*.

    The mass psychology if the West is pretty clearly in an odd place right now. Its not just Germany.

    joeyjoejoe

    *Obviously not in all cases. That white Minnesota football player wasn't forced to take the stance he did, for instance.

    is it imaginable that any white guy, just 20 years ago, would side with 10 (or even 20) black guys gang raping a coed?

    Yeah, that’s not what happened in this case. Stop being such a white knight.

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  201. Parbes says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome
    Only bigots stereotype Russians as alcoholics.

    Russia bath lotion kills 49 drinkers in Irkutsk

    He didn’t “stereotype Russians as alcoholics” – what he wrote was: “…a bunch of people who LIKE TO DRINK BATH LOTION”. “Being an alcoholic” and “LIKING to drink BATH LOTION” are two completely different and unrealted things – those people who died in Irkutsk didn’t DELIBERATELY drink bath lotion; it was mixed into what they thought was regular alcohol by some criminals. Apparently, both you and the bigot “Jack D.” are too dumb to comprehend this.

    Anyway, even if it really HAD been “stereotyping as alcoholics” in his stupid post, it would not have made it right – stereotyping an entire nation or society in a derogatory way based on the behavior of SOME of its members is almost always fallacious and wrong. By the same logic, Americans could be stereotyped as “a bunch of narco-crazed druggies”, considering the levels of narcotic addiction and related deaths, crimes etc. in the U.S. every year.

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    No, those people WERE deliberately drinking bath lotion because it was much cheaper than vodka (almost everywhere in the world, including Russia, a big part of the price of alcoholic drinks is alcoholic beverage tax - no tax on bath lotion) and available at all hours (and to all ages) from vending machines. It was a sort of wink, wink, nod, nod thing that everyone knew that you didn't actually put this "bath lotion" in your bath, you drank it.

    The reason that they died was that in the past the bath lotion was made with ethyl alcohol but recently (and apparently without changing the label) someone (not clear who or why - a lot of things are murky in Russia - maybe some local official wanted to kill off the bath lotion trade in order to collect more vodka tax, maybe methyl alcohol is cheaper) starting putting poisonous methyl alcohol in it instead and people started dropping like flies. This is a deniable sort of crime because the bottles were always labeled "not for human consumption" (wink wink nod nod) so anyone drinking it was drinking at their own risk. If they changed the formula for Windex from non-poisonous to poisonous, would that be a crime given that you aren't supposed to drink Windex in the 1st place?

  202. bomag says:
    @utu
    "the extent that vehicle combat readiness is below 50%"

    In 1938 during Austria Anschluss most of Wehrmacht vehicles broke down (Allan Bullock in "Hitler")

    In 1938 during Austria Anschluss most of Wehrmacht vehicles broke down

    That served as a learning experience for later campaigns.

    WWII German army made extensive use of horse drawn logistics.

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  203. 5371 says:
    @Jack D
    I don't know what the German's long term plans were for the rest of the world but as for Russia the long term plan was to exterminate the Slavs and replace them with Germans. They had no compunction about killing millions of Slavs because these were people who were going to be written out of history anyway. As soon as they were done running the Jews thru their death factories they were ready to move on to the next race slated for elimination.

    With unlimited Lebensraum and fascist ideology, maybe Hitler could have gotten German birth rates up to the kind of birth rates we see in the Moslem world so 80 million Germans could have become 560 million. The population of Saudi Arabia has increased sevenfold since 1960.

    The US was (barely) able to endure a Cold War with a bunch of people who like to drink bath lotion. Who knows whether we could have stood up to 500 million Nazis?

    If only we had actual data on the birthrates that prevailed in National Socialist Germany, so that we could tell whether they were like the highest in the world today. But of course we have something much more valuable, your uninformed and unbridled fantasy.

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  204. jill says:

    Deutsche Bank jumped at the chance to loot the carbon trading business…

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-deutsche-bank-carbon-idUKKCN0QI0M220150813

    The only country to put bank criminals in jail was Iceland. Politicians like obama have learned to loot the banks by charging them multi billion dollar fines, distributing the money to their favorite community groups and let the criminals survive to commit even more fraud so they can be fined again.

    If you have a gun you can rob a bank. If you have a bank you can rob everyone.

    Keeping track of the top criminal bank in the world

    http://www.corp-research.org/goldman-sachs

    Goldman would not even pay for it’s new hqs. in NY:

    http://www.goodjobsny.org/economic-development/goldman-sachs

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  205. Beckow says:
    @Kyle McKenna
    Great post, and I wholeheartedly agree with your points. However, while in America it's also true that easy credit has factored in that much will never be repaid, it's only true for some people. Many who over-borrowed on their homes, refinancing again and again to extract cash with which they financed extravagant lifestyles indeed got away scot-free. They get to turn around, move to another state, and do the same thing all over again. Many others blithely walk away from credit-card debt, auto-loan debt, medical debt, what have you.

    But many others among us couldn't walk away from a single penny of debt if we tried, and not (just) because we're highly-principled. Rather, because the rules are applied differently to different people---and particularly if you are not 'politically-favored' or have assets you can't or won't hide---your feet will most definitely be held to the fire.

    The availability of 'easy credit' is just one more way in which the responsible members of society pay for the irresponsible. It's yet another form of taxation---complete with 'reverse disparate impact'---and it most definitely applies to countries as well as citizens. Hence Germans continue to work hard (and smart), day in and day out, while Greeks (and others) continue to live well beyond their means.

    ‘easy credit’ is just one more way in which the responsible members of society pay for the irresponsible.

    Agree. It applies to individuals, countries and even families. An interesting evolutionary point is that groups in the past that had developed intolerance towards free-loading had an evolutionary advantage. Creating punitive systems against members of a group who try to not carry their full faith or break the rules was an essential point in moving forward – thus the endless “virtue”, “honor” and other behavior rules that were used to prevent a group of free-loaders to prosper (or even to survive).

    Germans still have that basic attitude among themselves – but due to the WWII catastrophe they are unable to apply it to certain kinds of outsiders. And that can be fatal – people are using them and they are unable to fight back. This is a tribe that lost its ability to preserve itself. In my view, an essential element of any successful society is the ability to self-sustain as they are, not by “changing” to something else. Germans have lost it. They survived 1945, but don’t seem to be able to survive the mental block of the 1945 experience. It is a loss for all humanity.

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    An interesting evolutionary point is that groups in the past that had developed intolerance towards free-loading had an evolutionary advantage.

    Cite?
  206. Svigor says:

    I don’t think it’s beyond the pale to point out the problems with the “death factories” and “industrialization of murder” language.

    Industrialization increases efficiency. The “death factories” seem to have decreased it; the Hutus achieved a substantially higher death rate in the Rwandan Genocide doing it all by hand, with machetes.

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  207. Svigor says:

    He wrote something along the lines of “We were expecting WW2 Germans and we got WW 1 Italians instead”.

    If only (((The Morgenthau Plan))) had been implemented, I’m sure German standards would have been much more acceptable to the Israelis.

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  208. Ivanka being harassed on a plane: the gay harasser did it (and wasn’t punished for it-he was removed from the plane and simply got a later flight) because he knew he wouldn’t be punished for it. Nobody stood up for the solitary mom and her young kids, because they knew they would potentially be punished for it.

    Not sure how this belongs in the thread. Are hesitant men on the Jet Blue flight somehow symbolic of the German men surrendering their country to PC tyranny and Islamic invasion?

    I suspect the men on that flight who wanted to intervene either by shouting down Ivanka’s harasser or putting him in a half nelson would have had logistical issues. You would have only seconds to assess the situation, assuming you were close enough to understand what was being said, who the parties were. Then you’ve got to run down the aisle, etc. Possibly you would have been tossed from the flight also. Best case is that you were seated near Ivanka and could simply counter shout the twit in real time. Presumably Jared was about to intervene anyway since he was right there.

    The question of German men is another matter. If there is another New Year’s eve sexual swarm, Cologne style, and German men are m-i-a to respond, I grant you that yes, they are beyond hope. All sense of pride and self worth will be gone. We shall see. Even if 60% (=22% of the country) of white German men have pride & courage, that leaves the other 78% of the country to determine the future.

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  209. Dan Hayes says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    German armor prior to the introduction of the advanced versions of the Mark IV and the Panther and Tiger tanks was seriously deficient. Yet the Wehrmacht won most of the battles until 1942; a tribute to German organization, tactics and training. If the tanks were a "joke," a lot of French, British and Russian soldiers didn't live to hear the punchline.

    Churchill: “You don’t know war until you have faught Germans.”

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  210. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Thomas
    Anyone can use their own Bitcoin wallet on their own end and still pay Steve through Coinbase. (https://coinbase.com/checkouts/897b88cb6418114ef3e1305820ed7104) You don't have to use Coinbase yourself.

    The problem is getting those first sweet, sweet bitcoins. Mining’s not really possible for normies, so your choices are exchanges (such as coinbase) where you have to effect a bank transfer (maybe they do credit cards now, but at the time I looked into it they didn’t) or some site that facilitates person-to-person transfers. I didn’t feel like dealing with the neckbeards in my neighborhood, so I went with bitquick.

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  211. @joeyjoejoe
    Probably no more so than the rest of the West.

    When I was stationed in Germany in the late 1980's, the polezei (West German police) had the reputation of badasses. By that I mean, if you were screwing up, they wouldn't hesitate to smack you in the head with their billyclubs to get you in line (and not that they would arbitrarily smack you-they were peceived as hardass, but just).

    There are so many instances in all of Western society where people obviously don't have the confidence to do the right thing; drunks? control them (with a billy club, if necessary). I was struck by the gang rape/gang sex situation in Minnesota by the white guy spokesman for the team's boycott: is it imaginable that any white guy, just 20 years ago, would side with 10 (or even 20) black guys gang raping a coed?

    Ivanka being harassed on a plane: the gay harasser did it (and wasn't punished for it-he was removed from the plane and simply got a later flight) because he knew he wouldn't be punished for it. Nobody stood up for the solitary mom and her young kids, because they knew they would potentially be punished for it.

    Why does the Left engage in voter fraud (in Detroit, in Philadelphia, etc etc)? Because they can.

    The idiocy of transvestites in public bathrooms.

    And so on and so on. Behaviors that would have been unacceptable within the memory of most readers of this blog, are now publically considered acceptable. But more importantly, those behaviors, I think, are still considered unacceptable (gang rape, men in women's bathrooms, enforcing the law, and so on)-the mass of people are simply afraid to say so. Unlike genuine moral change (1950: excluding blacks from college is ok. 1990: it isn't anymore), the behavioral/'moral' changes are being imposed on the people*.

    The mass psychology if the West is pretty clearly in an odd place right now. Its not just Germany.

    joeyjoejoe

    *Obviously not in all cases. That white Minnesota football player wasn't forced to take the stance he did, for instance.

    Integration was imposed on Southerners by Northerners – Jews prominent among them. The civil-rights movement was not a grass-roots phenomenon. Everything was orchestrated. (The Rosa Parks bus incident was staged.) It was no more natural or organic a social phenomenon than the tranny-rights crusade.

    Nothing ever happens because of the “will of the people.” The masses do not, indeed cannot, lead; they can only follow.

    Everyone is subject to social and cultural conditioning. Some folks are better than others at noticing that things that are supposed to be true are not, and vice versa.

    Some elites know that the CW is BS, but many if not most swallow it hook, line, and sinker. And some of the deluded are pretty smart, in terms of their cognitive ability – g does not always correlate with n.

    And neither g nor n correlates with b.

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    Everyone is subject to social and cultural conditioning.

    Cite?

    What are "n" and "b"?
  212. @Walt
    In a word, NO.

    Way to drive off the cliff Bozo. Does it feel good to be provocative and edgy? You’d have more cred simply saying that there have been multiple genocides in the 20th Century, including of the Armenians, Ashkenazi Jews and Ukrainians.

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    Depends on how "the Holocaust" is defined though, doesn't it?
  213. Lurker says:
    @dfordoom

    Heck, look at WWII for examples of the contradiction of German excellence and incompetence. Going to war against Russia without a heavy bomber.
     
    Their tanks were pretty much a joke as well when they ran up against T-34s. In fact their tanks were a joke when they went up against Matildas and the French Char B1 in 1940. Added to which their tanks were ludicrously unsuitable for operations in Russia.

    German tanks were not a joke, they exhibited mixed qualities as did the tanks of every other nation.

    The Matilda had good protection, which the Germans acknowledged, however it was underpowered with generally poorer mobility and reliability than German tanks. It’s gun also lacked an HE round, all it fired were AP rounds. Odd, given that it was supposedly an infantry tank.

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  214. Lurker says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    German armor prior to the introduction of the advanced versions of the Mark IV and the Panther and Tiger tanks was seriously deficient. Yet the Wehrmacht won most of the battles until 1942; a tribute to German organization, tactics and training. If the tanks were a "joke," a lot of French, British and Russian soldiers didn't live to hear the punchline.

    Agree.

    I think WW2 propaganda and beyond tended to portray German tanks as superlative and that the plucky allied troops were lucky to defeat at all. But as you point out, German advantages at the beginning of the war were much less about the physical advantages of the tanks.

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  215. @Stan Adams
    Integration was imposed on Southerners by Northerners - Jews prominent among them. The civil-rights movement was not a grass-roots phenomenon. Everything was orchestrated. (The Rosa Parks bus incident was staged.) It was no more natural or organic a social phenomenon than the tranny-rights crusade.

    Nothing ever happens because of the "will of the people." The masses do not, indeed cannot, lead; they can only follow.

    Everyone is subject to social and cultural conditioning. Some folks are better than others at noticing that things that are supposed to be true are not, and vice versa.

    Some elites know that the CW is BS, but many if not most swallow it hook, line, and sinker. And some of the deluded are pretty smart, in terms of their cognitive ability - g does not always correlate with n.

    And neither g nor n correlates with b.

    Everyone is subject to social and cultural conditioning.

    Cite?

    What are “n” and “b”?

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    This is an old thread, but...

    Everyone is subject to social and cultural conditioning.

    Cite?
     

    All societies have some kind of prevailing orthodoxy or guiding set of beliefs/values. Every society makes a strong effort to induce its members to agree with and accept the society's fundamental beliefs/values.

    In 2016 America, the prevailing orthodoxy pushed by the social/cultural/educational/political establishment is multiculti forever! diversity über alles!

    Do you doubt this?


    What are “n” and “b”?
     
    n - noticing ability/willingness
    b - balls
  216. @CrunchybutRealistCon
    Way to drive off the cliff Bozo. Does it feel good to be provocative and edgy? You'd have more cred simply saying that there have been multiple genocides in the 20th Century, including of the Armenians, Ashkenazi Jews and Ukrainians.

    Depends on how “the Holocaust” is defined though, doesn’t it?

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  217. Sean says:

    Germany is the go to country for anyone wanting to control their borders: http://www.unz.com/isteve/germans-build-anti-arab-fence-for-arabs/

    The Russians are always saying they have better armed tank in development, but the German just build a Kruppier gun

    http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/show-daily/eurosatory/2016/06/15/tank-gun-german-rheinmetall-130mm/85920592/

    German defense company Rheinmetall has unveiled a prototype of a 130mm smoothbore gun for a future main battle tank (MBT). According to the company, the increase of 8 percent in caliber results in 50 percent more kinetic energy over the 120mm gun from Rheinmetall, installed in thousands of tanks worldwide.

    They are still the world leaders.

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  218. Esso says:
    @TheBoom
    Last year I got to know a German who was in their equivalent of the FBI. He didn't think Muslims were a problem and felt terrorism wasn't a big deal because more people died from other things. I am not surprised that they botched this after meeting him.

    Those kind of people deserve a good stepping on their foot. The pain involved is nothing compared to everyday toe-stubbing, so shouldn’t he be more upset about all the tables and sofas lurking about in his house?

    If Germany was a single person, he would downplay all physical insults and evade confrontation with stuff like “That’s nothing, I hurt my elbow last week and it was a lot worse. Not to mention the horrible diarrhea I had a while ago. I’m ok, please don’t hit me anymore.”

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  219. @Beckow

    ‘easy credit’ is just one more way in which the responsible members of society pay for the irresponsible.
     
    Agree. It applies to individuals, countries and even families. An interesting evolutionary point is that groups in the past that had developed intolerance towards free-loading had an evolutionary advantage. Creating punitive systems against members of a group who try to not carry their full faith or break the rules was an essential point in moving forward - thus the endless "virtue", "honor" and other behavior rules that were used to prevent a group of free-loaders to prosper (or even to survive).

    Germans still have that basic attitude among themselves - but due to the WWII catastrophe they are unable to apply it to certain kinds of outsiders. And that can be fatal - people are using them and they are unable to fight back. This is a tribe that lost its ability to preserve itself. In my view, an essential element of any successful society is the ability to self-sustain as they are, not by "changing" to something else. Germans have lost it. They survived 1945, but don't seem to be able to survive the mental block of the 1945 experience. It is a loss for all humanity.

    An interesting evolutionary point is that groups in the past that had developed intolerance towards free-loading had an evolutionary advantage.

    Cite?

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    • Replies: @Beckow
    Try Peter Turchin "War and Peace and War". There is substantial historical experience that "intolerance" of free-loaders acts as a strong tool for cohesiveness and the it aids evolution. In Germany's case the free-loaders are in addition outsiders with minimal "right" to any solidarity (young, middle class males looking for free stuff from Pakistan, etc...). The fact that Germans have lost the ability to confront this is a sign that they are probably "dead-enders" - a group that has lost its ability to survive. Too bad, I kind of like them, but evolution is brutal.
  220. Nick Diaz says:

    Régarding German organization and efficiency, the German Wehrmacht from WWII was *the* best army the World has ever seen, before or since. Only maybe the Roman Legions from the time of Octavian to Trajan can even compare in terms of professionalism, discipline, training and quality of armament compared to that of their opponents. At one point, Germany was holding it’s own against not one, but two industrial titans that dwarfed it in terms of industrial and economic output, namely, the Soviet Union and the U.S. The Soviets took the blunt of it, and had to pay the price of 27 milion of their men killed to stop the Wehrmatch.
    ´
    Even in the extremely dilapidated state the German Military was in 1944, it was still extremely tough to beat. This was evident in the Ardennes counter-offensive, when the Germans managed to push back the Americans despite the fact that the U.S Military outnumbered the Germans almost 3 to 1. it is often agreed that Americans needed a superiority of at least 3 to 1 to beat the Germans. When they had a superiority of 2 to 1, more often than not the Germans won. Germany lost WWII due to numbers *only*. Despite being one-on-one far superior, the Germans just couldn’t beat two industrial superpowers at once. They are a relatively small country roughly the size of Texas.

    [MORE]

    In terms of armaments and equipment, with the exception of the atom bomb which was given to Americans by Jewish scientists in 1945, the Germans were far superior to the Allies. For instance, they had the Messerschmitt Me 262, the first plane capable of ultra-sonic speeds, having it’s baptism of fire in 1942. The Tiger II panzer tank combined the durability of the Soviet T-34 tank with a motility, maneuverability and fire power that was superior to anything the Allies had. It could take on up to 3 Soviet tanks at once and prevail. it is agreed upon that Germany was by far the most dangerous and powerful of the Axis powers. in terms of power, it was:

    ´ Germany >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Japan >>>>> Italy

    The excellency of German weapons – and everything else – continues to this day. For instance, the most commonly utilized carbine by Seal Team 6 is the 416 series made by German manufactured Heckler&Koch. Likewise, the most commonly utilized submachine gun by Seal Team 6 is the MP7a1 series by H&K. Think about it: the most elite unit in the entire U.S military has a strong preference for German weaponry. As the two most elite units in the entire military, Seal Team 6 and the Army’s Delta Force members have a great deal of freedom to choose whatever they want in terms of weaponry and equipment, and they often choose German hardware. The reason for this is the tradition of extreme craftsmanship that Germans put into everything they do, from cars to musical instruments to weaponry. The Germans have a difficulty with the concept of doing a lot cheaply. They see it almost as dishonorable. For instance, the incventor of the automobile was a German(Daimler Benz), but it would be the American Henry Ford that would figure out how to make lots of automobiles cheaply, effectively inventing the automotive industry. In Germany, being a shoe maker, or a lutier, or a steel manufacturer or weapons manufacturer means that you are a craftsman, and the quality of what you make tells the World your quality as a human being. If you are a weapon manufacturer and your pistol jams when someone using it is defending himself from a robber and your customer dies, his death is on you. As a weapon manufacturer your craft is making devices to terminate human life, so make sure the right people get terminated, and not the people who trusted their lives on your craft! likewise, if you’re a lutier and one of the strings of the violin you that is being played by the lead violinist snaps and ruins the Beethoven violin concerto, the onus is on you. Thanks for ruining everyone’s night at the concert hall. That is the German mentality.

    Because of everything that I wrote, I laugh when people compare the threat of the Islamic State with that of Nazi Germany. Germany was one of the most advanced, powerful and cultured civilizations on Earth, with extremely formidable military and technological capabilities for it’s time. Conversely, ISIS and other Muslim societies are a bunch of incompetent hotheads. All they have is sound&fury and nothing more. They are brave, granted, but bravery alone hasn’t won wars since at least the late Paleolithic Era around 10,000 B.C. Be sure the Wehrmacht with 1939 technology would beat all Arab countries today *combined*. This puts the discrpancy in perspective.

    ´ Regarding the extraction of Muslims associated with terrorists organizations or with criminal records, yes, that I obviously support. I don’t support outlawing Muslim immigration, but it is sensible to deny immigration or residency rights to anyone with associations with terrorist associations. But this is not simple in Germany given it’s history. The state using force, which is the role of government, is traumatic to Germans given their history. This is not a simple issue for Germans.

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    Germany is indeed a small country now after having
    lost 1/3 of its territory (and suffering 7-8 million dead)
    in the wake of WW II. But it's not the size of Texas. France
    is roughly the size of Texas. Germany and Poland have
    almost exactly the same area but Germany has twice the
    population, an advantage that Germany had even 1000
    years ago.

    It's plausible that human achievement increases with
    population density. In the U.S., for example, compare
    the Northeast and California to the sparsely populated
    Midwest in terms of human achievement. No comparison.
    You needed to have somebody to talk to and somebody to
    compete with to make advances in calculus or in celestial
    mechanics. In Europe the vertical strip of maximum population
    density begins in the Netherlands and the Ruhr region and
    runs all the way to N. Italy. Going east the density drops going
    from western to eastern Germany, drops again moving to
    Poland, and drops even further moving from Poland to
    Belarus and Ukraine, and thins out even more moving to the
    European part of Russia. Even with modern communications
    population density still has an effect. Otherwise St. Louis
    or Kansas City might have produced their own Silicon Valleys
    but they didn't. Plus port cities always have had an advantage due
    to the cross-pollination of ideas from other cultures.
  221. syonredux says:
    @Svigor

    As soon as they were done running the Jews thru their death factories they were ready to move on to the next race slated for elimination.
     
    Industrialization increases efficiency. The "death factories" seem to have decreased it; the Hutus achieved a substantially higher death rate in the Rwandan Genocide doing it all by hand, with machetes.

    Industrialization increases efficiency. The “death factories” seem to have decreased it; the Hutus achieved a substantially higher death rate in the Rwandan Genocide doing it all by hand, with machetes.

    I think that the Nazis probably reached a peak in terms of killing efficiency during period stretching from the Summer of 1941 to the Spring of 1942. During that period they killed approx 2 million+ Soviet POWS and 500,000 + Jews. And those totals were largely achieved via starvation and mass shootings.

    My understanding is that one of the reasons for the shift to gassing involved Himmler’s concern over the psychological toll that mass shootings exacted on German soldiers:

    After a time, Himmler found that the killing methods used by the Einsatzgruppen were inefficient: they were costly, demoralising for the troops, and sometimes did not kill the victims quickly enough.[104] Many of the troops found the massacres to be difficult if not impossible to perform. Some of the perpetrators suffered physical and mental health problems, and many turned to drink.[105] As much as possible, the Einsatzgruppen leaders militarized the genocide. The historian Christian Ingrao notes an attempt was made to make the shootings a collective act without individual responsibility. Framing the shootings in this way was not psychologically sufficient for every perpetrator to feel absolved of guilt.[106] Browning notes three categories of potential perpetrators: those who were eager to participate right from the start, those who participated in spite of moral qualms because they were ordered to do so, and a significant minority who refused to take part.[107] A few men spontaneously became excessively brutal in their killing methods and their zeal for the task. Commander of Einsatzgruppe D, SS-Gruppenführer Otto Ohlendorf, particularly noted this propensity towards excess, and ordered that any man who was too eager to participate or too brutal should not perform any further executions

    During a visit to Minsk in August 1941, Himmler witnessed an Einsatzgruppen mass execution first-hand and concluded that shooting Jews was too stressful for his men.[109] By November he made arrangements for any SS men suffering ill health from having participated in executions to be provided with rest and mental health care.[110] He also decided a transition should be made to gassing the victims, especially the women and children, and ordered the recruitment of expendable native auxiliaries who could assist with the murders.[110][111] Gas vans, which had been used previously to kill mental patients, began to see service by all four main Einsatzgruppen from 1942.[112] However, the gas vans were not popular with the Einsatzkommandos, because removing the dead bodies from the van and burying them was a horrible ordeal. Prisoners or auxiliaries were often assigned to do this task so as to spare the SS men the trauma.[

    http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/esg/trials/profiles/milieu.html

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    Have mass graves been located that contain the roughly 500,000 corpses?
  222. dfordoom says: • Website
    @NOTA
    Terrorism really is a small problem in terms of number of fatalities. And I may be missing something, but I'm not sure what counterterrorism policies would have helped Germany in the last few years--their problems seem to be related to immigration and EU-wide open borders.

    Terrorism really is a small problem in terms of number of fatalities.

    Murder really is a small problem in terms of number of fatalities. We still tend to worry quite a bit about murder and we still put a lot of resources into the problem.

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  223. dfordoom says: • Website
    @CrunchybutRealistCon
    The thing about 1930s Germany is that there were 20-30% communists & Trotskyite socialists who either kept silent or were intimidated into compliance with the Nazis. Presumably many could simply reassert their old allegiances by 1960 which would explain the current pockets of the country which have succumbed to leftist corruption and dysfunction. It would also explain the current presence of suicidal Loons like many Green party members & even Merkel. Have long felt that Germany prospered post-war cause it had a solid 40-45% of centrist citizens who were smart, engineering/science oriented, and hard working. The other 60% were happy to go along amicably (initially for practical reasons).

    What may have poisoned them is some of the excesses of the deNazification teachings in 1945-50 and the 'mainstream' cultural programming ever since. It is commendable to warn of the perils of dictatorship, conquest, & ethnocentric mass murder, but it is step too far to pathologize even modest nationalism which is simply self preservation, or sovereignty.

    The German pockets of Switzerland & northern Italy give a better sense of what a more sane Germany might be like in the absence of the self-loathing and cuckification.

    The thing about 1930s Germany is that there were 20-30% communists & Trotskyite socialists who either kept silent or were intimidated into compliance with the Nazis. Presumably many could simply reassert their old allegiances by 1960 which would explain the current pockets of the country which have succumbed to leftist corruption and dysfunction. It would also explain the current presence of suicidal Loons like many Green party members

    And didn’t Leni Reifenstahl end up being a prominent member of Greenpeace?

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  224. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Diversity Heretic
    German armor prior to the introduction of the advanced versions of the Mark IV and the Panther and Tiger tanks was seriously deficient. Yet the Wehrmacht won most of the battles until 1942; a tribute to German organization, tactics and training. If the tanks were a "joke," a lot of French, British and Russian soldiers didn't live to hear the punchline.

    Yet the Wehrmacht won most of the battles until 1942; a tribute to German organization, tactics and training.

    True enough, but the point we’re discussing is overall German efficiency, which includes industrial efficiency. Sending troops to battle in sub-standard tanks isn’t very efficient.

    With better equipment the Germans would have had a better chance of winning the Battle of Moscow in 1941, which in retrospect is the battle that lost the war for them.

    And I’m sure German pilots were excellent but they lost the Battle of Britain because they lacked decent long-range fighters.

    They also lost the Battle of the Atlantic because they started the war with only a handful of U-boats. Instead they were building useless surface ships like the Bismarck.

    The Germans just hadn’t thought through this whole fighting a war thing.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    Hitler also pursued a "guns AND butter" strategy and (unlike the Soviet Union or even the US after it entered the war) he refused to militarize the economy until very late in the game. If you listen to the famous recording of Hitler talking to the Finnish general (the only recording of Hitler's ordinary conversational voice, not his ranting madman public voice) he's kvetching about how many thousands of tanks the Russians have because they've dedicated their entire economy to military production. The East Bloc pursued this "military first" strategy to the very end (and now N. Korea does), so that's why there was an 11 year waiting list to buy a cardboard car in E. Germany.
    , @Anonymous
    Actually, post 1918 Armistice treaties strictly limited the size and scope of the German navy, and also put severe limits on German army and air force armaments.

    Hitler spat on these treaties during the 'appeasement' episode when Britain was lacked the nerve and will to punish Germany.
  225. epebble says:
    @Anonymous
    On the Volkswagen emissions scandal, it seems as this was a skirmish in an undeclared cold trade war between the EU and the USA.

    Basically, the EU is aggrieved that it never managed to develop a viable internet/computer device industry - something that EU bigwigs think is the defining industry of the present era.Hence, the very real resentment and envy of such US tech giants as Apple, Google and Microsoft, of which there are no European equivalents. So the EU reacts by doing such things as imposing retroactive taxation on Apple. Incidentally that underhand and unscrupulous move can only strengthen the post brexit UK position.
    The USA retaliates by scrutinizing leading EU manufacturers to the fullest extent.

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  226. donut says:

    We have all read at least some history . The massacre of your enemies was always considered a good thing as it should be . But now being led by women and eunuchs we in the west recoil at the thought . Men , women and children don’t spare a single one . As they have shown many times they will not spare us . Later , after we have prevailed you can wring your hands and blame the “extremists” for your salvation .

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  227. @whorefinder
    Our resident secret policeman Jack Hanson is going to be spending Christmas going through the emails of white gentiles and making sure those evil folks aren't celebrating that racist holiday of Christmas too much. Without a warrant, of course; warrants are unnecessary.

    After all, white gentiles the real threats, comrade.

    Now go off the Director Comey's Christmas party. Mrs. Clinton will bestow upon him the Order of Lenin for his efforts to get her elected!

    This is particularly hilarious considering that I was one of the few voices here who thought Trump was going to win while everyone else was preparing to be gulaged by Big Grandma.

    But do go on. I’m all ears.

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    But do go on. I’m all ears.
     
    We do know that, little Cheka member. We've seen the Snowden documentary, and read the Wikileaks and Manning releases. We know you're joyfully violatting the 4th Amendment with impunity, hacking cellphones and computers with glee, like the good little modern frumentarii you are.

    But hey, keep pretending you're the good guys. It's humorous to watch you lie so blatantly. Gives us all the giggles, ya KGB stooge.
  228. syonredux says:

    Rating German military effectiveness in WW2:

    According to calculations by the US Army the results of the battles in WW2 were only possible, when the soldiers of the Wehrmacht – man for man and unit for unit – were 20 to 30 percent more effective than was the British and American forces they faced.

    Extrapolating the individual soldiers against each other – and although the Wehrmacht was far lower in numbers – so the German troops that faced British and American troops (for assaults with the usual factor of 1.0 – in the defense in carefully selected positions with view by a factor of 1.3 – in prepared defense positions 1.5 – in fortified defense positions by a factor of 1.6) cause approximately 50 percent higher losses than they suffer under all combat conditions.

    This was accessible whether the Germans were in attack or defense, if they were locally in place with higher numbers or – what was the rule – in lower numbers, if they had air cover or not, whether they had won the battle or lost at the end.

    Even in the bitter years of defeats on the Russian front, the German combat effectiveness superiority over the Russians was even more pronounced. In the early days of the campaign in the east, one German division could take up with three Russian divisions of comparable strength and power. And, theoretically, under favorable defense conditions one German division could stand against no less than seven comparable Russian divisions.

    In 1944 this superiority was still about 2:1, and one German soldier at the front caused an average loss of 7.78 Russians for one German casualty. These figures need to adapted to the fact that the Wehrmacht in 1944 was almost always in the defense, had a relatively higher mobility and at this time the German weapons were better than the weapons of the Russians. But even if you take into account these considerations, the ratio for the infliction of losses was more than 4:1 and the German fighting power in battle was – man by man – about more than 50% better.

    http://ww2-weapons.com/fighting-power-of-the-wehrmacht/

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    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    This goes back to the analysis of Trevor Dupuy, whose "Genius for War" got this particular ball rolling in about 1977. Consequently it has been a fundamental thesis or antithesis for many, many military histories since then.

    When I was in the service many years ago I used to instruct fellow Marines on history and tradition so I can assure you that a lot of this is "dicksizing", or cheeleading, but that's good too, because by my analysis the success of the German armed forces from the 1860's to 1945 had a lot to do with morale and esprit du corps (aka willingness to make the "supreme sacrifice", "last full measure of devotion", etc.); that's what led them to spend so much time on developing and improving their tactical approaches (including weapons tech) as well, and morale is hugely important in terms of performance, at least by my reading of military history.

    For all that, Germany never had a chance of defeating the USSR; and they never had a chance of winning the war at all, once France and Britain chose to fight them.
    , @anon
    it's average IQ imo

    one of the big things about the German military was (is?) something i've heard multiple names for but i'll use "mission tactics"

    imo the relevant part of mission tactics to this discussion boils down to "use your initiative"

    "use your initiative" will have a minimum IQ requirement to do more good than harm

    which means the level of command where "use your initiative" does more good than harm will vary with average IQ: in a nation with a low average IQ the minimum brains might run out around battalion or company commander level whereas in a high average IQ nation the minimum brains might extend down to platoon or even squad level.

    nations where the minimum brains extends down to the lowest level of command will promote mission tactics and nations that don't will promote doctrine where lower levels of command are explicitly told not to use their initiative.

    that's my explanation of the German advantage: average IQ of 105 vs 100 (at least at the time)

    (if correct the Russians had a double disadvantage in the early part of Barbarossa as Stalin and the kommisars actively suppressed initiative - hence their dramatic improvement after that was reduced)

    (you see the same thing in construction where among some groups the skilled tradesmen - the civilian version of NCOs - figure out glitches in the plans themselves whereas other groups wait to be told)
  229. Jack D says:
    @David
    I agree. The real scandal is that the EPA in the States wasn't actually testing the emissions of cars. They were (and likely still are) collecting data from a car's own sensors and passing judgement on that.

    I wish my professors just asked me what my grade was rather than going to the trouble to grade me themselves. Actually, I don't wish that.

    The EPA skated through what should have been a heads-rolling clearance of petrified and useless bureaucracy by over-hyping VW's failures.

    This is NOT what happened. The EPA tested cars on a dynamometer – a sort of car treadmill. The test equipment drew too much power to put in a car that was actually being driven on the street. VW had programmed the cars ECU to detect whether a car was on an EPA test cycle – for example the car is going 60 mph but the steering wheel never turns. As soon as the car realized that it was on a treadmill, the emission control system would be turned on. Otherwise it was always off. The emissions system wasn’t good enough to run full time – it would burn a lot of fuel and soot up, etc. but it was just good enough to make it thru an EPA test cycle.

    Fast forward a few years. Some researchers in West Virginia got a $70,000 grant to build a system that could fit in the trunk of a car so that you could test cars when they were going down the highway. They jury rigged a cheap generator like you might buy at Lowes to supply power to their rig. They were getting strange results – VWs (but not any other mfr’s cars) were emitting much more pollution that they were supposed to. They called up VW and VW tried to bullshit them – there must be something wrong with the calibration of your equipment. $15 billion later, it turned out that their equipment was fine.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/25/business/vw-wvu-diesel-volkswagen-west-virginia.html

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    VW emissions scandal: how Volkswagen's 'defeat device' works

    The Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) official notification issued to Volkswagen on 18 September sheds light on how the company managed to influence the emissions tests with some clever software.

    “VW manufactured and installed software in the electronic control module (ECM) of these vehicles that sensed when the vehicle was being tested for compliance with EPA emission standards," the agency explained.

    The EPA refers to what it calls a ‘switch’ that enabled the car’s ECM to know when it is being tested on a rolling road: “The ‘switch’ senses whether the vehicle is being tested or not based on various inputs including the position of the steering wheel, vehicle speed, the duration of the engine’s operation and barometric pressure. These inputs precisely track the parameters of the federal test procedure used for emission testing for EPA certification purposes.

    “During emission testing, the vehicles’ ECM ran software which produced compliant emission results under an ECM calibration that VW referred to as the ‘dyno calibration’.

    “At all other times during normal vehicle operation, the ‘switch’ was activated and the vehicle ECM software ran a separate ‘road calibration’ which reduced the effectiveness of the emission control system. As a result, emissions of NOx increased by a factor of 10 to 40 times above the EPA compliant levels, depending on the type of drive cycle (e.g. city, highway).”


    In other words, VW knowingly, deliberately cheated.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    Some researchers in West Virginia got a $70,000 grant to build a system that could fit in the trunk of a car so that you could test cars

     

    Americas worst whites hurting capitalism by reducing car companies profits in the name of "clean air". I bet they spent half the grant money on meth.
  230. Jack D says:
    @CrunchybutRealistCon
    The thing about 1930s Germany is that there were 20-30% communists & Trotskyite socialists who either kept silent or were intimidated into compliance with the Nazis. Presumably many could simply reassert their old allegiances by 1960 which would explain the current pockets of the country which have succumbed to leftist corruption and dysfunction. It would also explain the current presence of suicidal Loons like many Green party members & even Merkel. Have long felt that Germany prospered post-war cause it had a solid 40-45% of centrist citizens who were smart, engineering/science oriented, and hard working. The other 60% were happy to go along amicably (initially for practical reasons).

    What may have poisoned them is some of the excesses of the deNazification teachings in 1945-50 and the 'mainstream' cultural programming ever since. It is commendable to warn of the perils of dictatorship, conquest, & ethnocentric mass murder, but it is step too far to pathologize even modest nationalism which is simply self preservation, or sovereignty.

    The German pockets of Switzerland & northern Italy give a better sense of what a more sane Germany might be like in the absence of the self-loathing and cuckification.

    The old German hard left had little to do with the modern German Green soft left. Whatever Communists Hitler didn’t kill migrated to E. Germany after the war. Hardline E. German Communists, who loved smoke belching factories, were detested by the German environmentalist left as much as they hated capitalists. The Social Democrats (Bernie Sanders style democratic socialists) split from the Communists 100 years ago.

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    • Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon
    What you say was correct till the mid 80s. There was a pent up frustration in most western democracies, particularly in the US from 1980 to 92 & in the UK from 1979 to 97, within the social democrat/socialist/liberal parties due to the voters' resistance to their agenda. Quietly they decided to play dirty by unleashing the demographic wrecking ball. This is particularly noted with Tony Blair's govt who stealthily opened the gates to massive increases in immigration (while not campaigning on this issue) in 1997. You should also bear in mind how Stalin brutally transformed the demographics of the Soviet Union to destroy patriotism in the Baltic states and elsewhere, via the use of forced relocations of hundreds of thousands.

    In general, the left's hierarchy of needs or priorities can be seen as, from most important to least:

    Demographic Warfare (mass 3rd world immigr) >
    Undermining the sovereignty & uniformity of white, western nation states thru deep state meddling (CIA)>
    Narrative Control & Censorship, School, Media for Brainwashing>
    Coddling of Minorities & Concealment of Social Pathologies in
    Dysfuntional Cultures (Social Justice)>
    Eliminating Freedom of Association>
    Gun control>
    Feminism>
    Socialized Medicine>
    Environmentalism>
    Confiscatory Taxation>
    High Employment & Working Class Need fulfillment(thanks to the base & unions)>
    Civic Virtue, Law & Order, Public Transit>
    Art, High Culture, Scientific Advancement>
    Sovereignty & National Defence (last place)
  231. Jack D says:
    @dfordoom

    Yet the Wehrmacht won most of the battles until 1942; a tribute to German organization, tactics and training.
     
    True enough, but the point we're discussing is overall German efficiency, which includes industrial efficiency. Sending troops to battle in sub-standard tanks isn't very efficient.

    With better equipment the Germans would have had a better chance of winning the Battle of Moscow in 1941, which in retrospect is the battle that lost the war for them.

    And I'm sure German pilots were excellent but they lost the Battle of Britain because they lacked decent long-range fighters.

    They also lost the Battle of the Atlantic because they started the war with only a handful of U-boats. Instead they were building useless surface ships like the Bismarck.

    The Germans just hadn't thought through this whole fighting a war thing.

    Hitler also pursued a “guns AND butter” strategy and (unlike the Soviet Union or even the US after it entered the war) he refused to militarize the economy until very late in the game. If you listen to the famous recording of Hitler talking to the Finnish general (the only recording of Hitler’s ordinary conversational voice, not his ranting madman public voice) he’s kvetching about how many thousands of tanks the Russians have because they’ve dedicated their entire economy to military production. The East Bloc pursued this “military first” strategy to the very end (and now N. Korea does), so that’s why there was an 11 year waiting list to buy a cardboard car in E. Germany.

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    That's based on Speer's deputy's account, who had already thought that during the war. It was wrong.

    For example much was made of the fact that - unlike the UK - Germany didn't raise the share of women in the workforce. It turned out that they already started out with a higher share than the UK ever reached during the war to begin with. Then it also turned out that women working on family farms were technically counted as not being in the workforce, which was at least partly true until the war started and their husbands got drafted. Then they were working the fields, but still showing up in the statistics as being outside the workforce. The UK's statistics were less distorted by similar issues due to the much smaller agricultural sector to begin with.

    The German economy was quite militarized by 1938, spending a fifth of its national income on the military, this was by far the most for any non-communist country in peacetime. It was reached after being the least militarized among all the major powers in 1933.

    Another issue was that Germany spent vast amounts on building plants to produce synthetic fuel, machine tools, etc. All this was of course counted as "butter" in your dichotomy, while of course being absolutely necessary for the war effort and nothing else.

    The list goes on and on. Germany was producing a lot of guns and very little butter, if at all.
  232. SPMoore8 says:
    @syonredux
    Rating German military effectiveness in WW2:

    According to calculations by the US Army the results of the battles in WW2 were only possible, when the soldiers of the Wehrmacht – man for man and unit for unit – were 20 to 30 percent more effective than was the British and American forces they faced.

    Extrapolating the individual soldiers against each other – and although the Wehrmacht was far lower in numbers – so the German troops that faced British and American troops (for assaults with the usual factor of 1.0 – in the defense in carefully selected positions with view by a factor of 1.3 – in prepared defense positions 1.5 – in fortified defense positions by a factor of 1.6) cause approximately 50 percent higher losses than they suffer under all combat conditions.

    This was accessible whether the Germans were in attack or defense, if they were locally in place with higher numbers or – what was the rule – in lower numbers, if they had air cover or not, whether they had won the battle or lost at the end.
     

    Even in the bitter years of defeats on the Russian front, the German combat effectiveness superiority over the Russians was even more pronounced. In the early days of the campaign in the east, one German division could take up with three Russian divisions of comparable strength and power. And, theoretically, under favorable defense conditions one German division could stand against no less than seven comparable Russian divisions.

    In 1944 this superiority was still about 2:1, and one German soldier at the front caused an average loss of 7.78 Russians for one German casualty. These figures need to adapted to the fact that the Wehrmacht in 1944 was almost always in the defense, had a relatively higher mobility and at this time the German weapons were better than the weapons of the Russians. But even if you take into account these considerations, the ratio for the infliction of losses was more than 4:1 and the German fighting power in battle was – man by man – about more than 50% better.
     
    http://ww2-weapons.com/fighting-power-of-the-wehrmacht/

    This goes back to the analysis of Trevor Dupuy, whose “Genius for War” got this particular ball rolling in about 1977. Consequently it has been a fundamental thesis or antithesis for many, many military histories since then.

    When I was in the service many years ago I used to instruct fellow Marines on history and tradition so I can assure you that a lot of this is “dicksizing”, or cheeleading, but that’s good too, because by my analysis the success of the German armed forces from the 1860′s to 1945 had a lot to do with morale and esprit du corps (aka willingness to make the “supreme sacrifice”, “last full measure of devotion”, etc.); that’s what led them to spend so much time on developing and improving their tactical approaches (including weapons tech) as well, and morale is hugely important in terms of performance, at least by my reading of military history.

    For all that, Germany never had a chance of defeating the USSR; and they never had a chance of winning the war at all, once France and Britain chose to fight them.

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    For all that, Germany never had a chance of defeating the USSR; and they never had a chance of winning the war at all, once France and Britain chose to fight them.
     
    About the only strategy that might have worked is this: fighting a genuine war of liberation against Bolshevik rule. Of course, since Hitler was all about subjugating the peoples of the USSR*, pursuing that kind of kind of war would have presented certain difficulties.....

    All things considered, the Germans came a lot closer to victory in 1914-18 than they did in 1939-45.



    *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_Plan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
    , @Opinionator
    morale is hugely important in terms of performance, at least by my reading of military history

    Are you aware of any scientific studies that show this?
  233. @Dumbo
    I sort of agree, but the best would be not to have immigrants. Lower birth rate without immigrants around is less problematic. But when you are competing with other tribes in the same place, if you have a lower birth rate you may go the way of the Neanderthal.

    I sort of agree, but the best would be not to have immigrants. Lower birth rate without immigrants around is less problematic. But when you are competing with other tribes in the same place, if you have a lower birth rate you may go the way of the Neanderthal.

    But what did happen to the Neanderthals? Might the Neander folk have survived if they had kept the Cro-Magnon “immigrants” out of post-Ice Age Europe?

    And what evidence can you cite to show that the Neanderthals had a low birth rate?

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    • Replies: @anon

    And what evidence can you cite to show that the Neanderthals had a low birth rate?
     
    They had lower numbers - as you'd expect.

    (As the earth warmed population density would increase from the equator outwards so the people on the south side of the neanderthal-human border i.e. humans, would always have a numerical advantage.)
    , @Dumbo
    I think there are studies/theories indicating that Neanderthals had lower fertility that Sapiens, but I don't have the link now.
  234. @Jack D
    This is NOT what happened. The EPA tested cars on a dynamometer - a sort of car treadmill. The test equipment drew too much power to put in a car that was actually being driven on the street. VW had programmed the cars ECU to detect whether a car was on an EPA test cycle - for example the car is going 60 mph but the steering wheel never turns. As soon as the car realized that it was on a treadmill, the emission control system would be turned on. Otherwise it was always off. The emissions system wasn't good enough to run full time - it would burn a lot of fuel and soot up, etc. but it was just good enough to make it thru an EPA test cycle.

    Fast forward a few years. Some researchers in West Virginia got a $70,000 grant to build a system that could fit in the trunk of a car so that you could test cars when they were going down the highway. They jury rigged a cheap generator like you might buy at Lowes to supply power to their rig. They were getting strange results - VWs (but not any other mfr's cars) were emitting much more pollution that they were supposed to. They called up VW and VW tried to bullshit them - there must be something wrong with the calibration of your equipment. $15 billion later, it turned out that their equipment was fine.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/25/business/vw-wvu-diesel-volkswagen-west-virginia.html

    VW emissions scandal: how Volkswagen’s ‘defeat device’ works

    The Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) official notification issued to Volkswagen on 18 September sheds light on how the company managed to influence the emissions tests with some clever software.

    “VW manufactured and installed software in the electronic control module (ECM) of these vehicles that sensed when the vehicle was being tested for compliance with EPA emission standards,” the agency explained.

    The EPA refers to what it calls a ‘switch’ that enabled the car’s ECM to know when it is being tested on a rolling road: “The ‘switch’ senses whether the vehicle is being tested or not based on various inputs including the position of the steering wheel, vehicle speed, the duration of the engine’s operation and barometric pressure. These inputs precisely track the parameters of the federal test procedure used for emission testing for EPA certification purposes.

    “During emission testing, the vehicles’ ECM ran software which produced compliant emission results under an ECM calibration that VW referred to as the ‘dyno calibration’.

    “At all other times during normal vehicle operation, the ‘switch’ was activated and the vehicle ECM software ran a separate ‘road calibration’ which reduced the effectiveness of the emission control system. As a result, emissions of NOx increased by a factor of 10 to 40 times above the EPA compliant levels, depending on the type of drive cycle (e.g. city, highway).”

    In other words, VW knowingly, deliberately cheated.

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  235. Jack D says:
    @Parbes
    He didn't "stereotype Russians as alcoholics" - what he wrote was: "...a bunch of people who LIKE TO DRINK BATH LOTION". "Being an alcoholic" and "LIKING to drink BATH LOTION" are two completely different and unrealted things - those people who died in Irkutsk didn't DELIBERATELY drink bath lotion; it was mixed into what they thought was regular alcohol by some criminals. Apparently, both you and the bigot "Jack D." are too dumb to comprehend this.

    Anyway, even if it really HAD been "stereotyping as alcoholics" in his stupid post, it would not have made it right - stereotyping an entire nation or society in a derogatory way based on the behavior of SOME of its members is almost always fallacious and wrong. By the same logic, Americans could be stereotyped as "a bunch of narco-crazed druggies", considering the levels of narcotic addiction and related deaths, crimes etc. in the U.S. every year.

    No, those people WERE deliberately drinking bath lotion because it was much cheaper than vodka (almost everywhere in the world, including Russia, a big part of the price of alcoholic drinks is alcoholic beverage tax – no tax on bath lotion) and available at all hours (and to all ages) from vending machines. It was a sort of wink, wink, nod, nod thing that everyone knew that you didn’t actually put this “bath lotion” in your bath, you drank it.

    The reason that they died was that in the past the bath lotion was made with ethyl alcohol but recently (and apparently without changing the label) someone (not clear who or why – a lot of things are murky in Russia – maybe some local official wanted to kill off the bath lotion trade in order to collect more vodka tax, maybe methyl alcohol is cheaper) starting putting poisonous methyl alcohol in it instead and people started dropping like flies. This is a deniable sort of crime because the bottles were always labeled “not for human consumption” (wink wink nod nod) so anyone drinking it was drinking at their own risk. If they changed the formula for Windex from non-poisonous to poisonous, would that be a crime given that you aren’t supposed to drink Windex in the 1st place?

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    • Replies: @Parbes
    Your ***reliable*** source for all this?

    Plus, even if all this is true, it doesn't change anything in regard to what I said about stereotyping an entire nation/society based on what some trashy low-class idiots within that society do. Just think of all the ways that Americans could be described from the outside, for example, copying your bigoted and insulting approach: "nation of drug-pushers", "society of cocaine-snorters", "people who like to turn themselves into zombies with meth and bath salts", "AIDS virus load-lovers", etc. etc. At least these poor sods who got poisoned in Irkutsk were trying to imbibe the regular, "normal" stimulant ethyl alcohol - not something totally unnatural, monstrous, dehumanizing and demonic such as methamphetamine, bath salts, designer drugs, or the like. It's your ATTITUDE that is wrong.

    To say nothing of the fact - always ignored by you right-wing Cold War bigots - that all social ills in the former USSR, from poverty to alcoholism, increased to the point of major problems AFTER the dissolution of the USSR, under the conditions of socioeconomic collapse brought about by neoliberal economic policies and cucks like Yeltsin and the rest of the oligarch/liberal clique.
  236. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Jack Hanson
    This is particularly hilarious considering that I was one of the few voices here who thought Trump was going to win while everyone else was preparing to be gulaged by Big Grandma.

    But do go on. I'm all ears.

    But do go on. I’m all ears.

    We do know that, little Cheka member. We’ve seen the Snowden documentary, and read the Wikileaks and Manning releases. We know you’re joyfully violatting the 4th Amendment with impunity, hacking cellphones and computers with glee, like the good little modern frumentarii you are.

    But hey, keep pretending you’re the good guys. It’s humorous to watch you lie so blatantly. Gives us all the giggles, ya KGB stooge.

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    You have me confused with someone else, but continue to go on. This is amazing.
  237. @Diversity Heretic
    The Wehrmacht was as far as the Caucasus by mid-1942.

    The Wehrmacht was as far as the Caucasus by mid-1942.

    In his book *Panzer Leader* published in English in ( I think ) 1957, Heinz Guderian says that instead of dividing their forces into a Northern Army, aiming for Leningrad, a Central Army pointed toward Moscow, and a Southern Army in the Caucasus, all German forces should have concentrated on taking Moscow. After taking Moscow, conquest of other parts of the USSR would have followed. This would have been a winning plan.

    Guderian says he and other officers knew this at the time, but the Big Boss insisted on spreading his army much too thinly.

    Armchair generals post 1941-42 tend to agree with Guderian.

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    You're describing the 1941 campaign, not 1942. You're correct that Hitler and his generals (and some generals sided with Hitler, although certainly not Heinz Guderian) disagreed over what the objective of the 1941 campaign should be: (1) the political center of Moscow; (2) the economic resources that the USSR needed to support its war effort; or (3) the Red Army. You're also right that most historians contemplating the 1941 campaign have generally felt that a drive on Moscow in August/September would have had a greater chance of success than the actual offensive launched in the Ukraine. But this is by no means certain--a drive on Moscow in August/ September would have left major Red Army units intact and in a possible position to sever the lines of communication of the German armored spearheads. Most of the Wehrmacht was horse-drawn; keeping up with the tanks was a major problem. Tanks that are out of fuel and ammunition are pretty useless. And Napoleon had captured Moscow in 1812, but left the Russian Army intact--how'd that work out?

    By 1942 the problem of extended fronts and lines of communication became insuperable, although a lot of military observers thought that the USSR was at the end of its rope because of the impressive territorial gains the Germans were running up in the south.
    , @Giant Goose
    But that's what Napoleon did. Hitler was superstitious and didn't want to tread in Napoleon's footsteps.
  238. Neoconned says:
    @Anonymous
    In future decades, the fear that Germany was going to "take over the world" will sound bizarre. It only had a population of about 80 million back then (same as now) and couldn't possibly have pulled off such a feat. Even with advanced technology and great soldiers, the world was just too big.

    It is true Great Britain ruled much of the world with an even smaller population. But to be blunt, they were mainly ruling over non-Whites. Britain had long ago proven incapable of ruling America, for example.

    So, whatever German leaders, or our fevered propagandists may have imagined, Germany would never have had the manpower to rule all of Europe, Russia and North America. Just think about it.

    I have a feeling future generations may view the charge that we had to fight WWII so we wouldn't have to speak German as in the same category as Saddam's WMDs.

    In this sense – the third world is Germanys best friend…..

    Most other Europeans view Germany as either a sugar daddy or a necessary economic evil to counter balance Putin

    Germany in the longer run could be vindicated by the 3rd world

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  239. Merry Christmas, everybody!

    It’s still Dec. 24 on this side of the planet.

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  240. @Jack D
    This is NOT what happened. The EPA tested cars on a dynamometer - a sort of car treadmill. The test equipment drew too much power to put in a car that was actually being driven on the street. VW had programmed the cars ECU to detect whether a car was on an EPA test cycle - for example the car is going 60 mph but the steering wheel never turns. As soon as the car realized that it was on a treadmill, the emission control system would be turned on. Otherwise it was always off. The emissions system wasn't good enough to run full time - it would burn a lot of fuel and soot up, etc. but it was just good enough to make it thru an EPA test cycle.

    Fast forward a few years. Some researchers in West Virginia got a $70,000 grant to build a system that could fit in the trunk of a car so that you could test cars when they were going down the highway. They jury rigged a cheap generator like you might buy at Lowes to supply power to their rig. They were getting strange results - VWs (but not any other mfr's cars) were emitting much more pollution that they were supposed to. They called up VW and VW tried to bullshit them - there must be something wrong with the calibration of your equipment. $15 billion later, it turned out that their equipment was fine.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/25/business/vw-wvu-diesel-volkswagen-west-virginia.html

    Some researchers in West Virginia got a $70,000 grant to build a system that could fit in the trunk of a car so that you could test cars

    Americas worst whites hurting capitalism by reducing car companies profits in the name of “clean air”. I bet they spent half the grant money on meth.

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    Americas worst whites hurting capitalism by reducing car companies profits in the name of “clean air”. I bet they spent half the grant money on meth.Americas worst whites hurting capitalism by reducing car companies profits in the name of “clean air”. I bet they spent half the grant money on meth.


    Not funny, not the tiniest bit clever.
    , @anon
    Not true; the engineering, math and computer work was done by Asians. Read the paper (it is hard; lot of equations and graphs) . Not even likely spent on alcohol. You are better off theorizing a new conspiracy that this was to pull down German auto makers and hence promote U.S. & Asian car makers.
  241. syonredux says:
    @SPMoore8
    This goes back to the analysis of Trevor Dupuy, whose "Genius for War" got this particular ball rolling in about 1977. Consequently it has been a fundamental thesis or antithesis for many, many military histories since then.

    When I was in the service many years ago I used to instruct fellow Marines on history and tradition so I can assure you that a lot of this is "dicksizing", or cheeleading, but that's good too, because by my analysis the success of the German armed forces from the 1860's to 1945 had a lot to do with morale and esprit du corps (aka willingness to make the "supreme sacrifice", "last full measure of devotion", etc.); that's what led them to spend so much time on developing and improving their tactical approaches (including weapons tech) as well, and morale is hugely important in terms of performance, at least by my reading of military history.

    For all that, Germany never had a chance of defeating the USSR; and they never had a chance of winning the war at all, once France and Britain chose to fight them.

    For all that, Germany never had a chance of defeating the USSR; and they never had a chance of winning the war at all, once France and Britain chose to fight them.

    About the only strategy that might have worked is this: fighting a genuine war of liberation against Bolshevik rule. Of course, since Hitler was all about subjugating the peoples of the USSR*, pursuing that kind of kind of war would have presented certain difficulties…..

    All things considered, the Germans came a lot closer to victory in 1914-18 than they did in 1939-45.

    *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_Plan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

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    About the only strategy that might have worked is this: fighting a genuine war of liberation against Bolshevik rule.
     
    yep
  242. @dfordoom

    Heck, look at WWII for examples of the contradiction of German excellence and incompetence. Going to war against Russia without a heavy bomber.
     
    Their tanks were pretty much a joke as well when they ran up against T-34s. In fact their tanks were a joke when they went up against Matildas and the French Char B1 in 1940. Added to which their tanks were ludicrously unsuitable for operations in Russia.

    In fact their tanks were a joke when they went up against Matildas and the French Char B1 in 1940.

    Yeah, Germany did really poorly against the French and British in France in 1940.

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    Yeah, Germany did really poorly against the French and British in France in 1940.
     
    The performance of the German army as a whole in 1940 and the quality of their tanks are two different topics.

    The point I was trying to make is that the Germans have a reputation for industrial and technological prowess but in WW2 their military technology was often surprisingly unimpressive. Germany's early victories were won in spite of some important deficiencies in their weaponry. In the latter stages of the war their military technology improved in many areas and they got their arses kicked.

    When it came to training, morale and tactical doctrine they were superb. The French were abysmal in all those areas.
  243. Bill B. says:
    @Svigor
    Trump backers get 'revenge gifts' from relatives: donations to liberal causes

    Proper response:

    Dear giver,

    I'm glad a Trump voter and a Trump pre-presidency have finally inspired you to support causes you believe in.

    Trump is already making the world a better place, and he hasn't even taken office yet!

    In the spirit of your gift, I am going to make a matching contribution to the NRA, in your name.

    Merry Christmas!


    “I thought I could make a point and in the process be generous to a human rights cause that is only going to become more important now,” said Urban.
     
    Trump makes human rights cause more important, news at 11!

    A wonderful Guardian article. It should be compulsory reading in schools.

    “He is ruing the fact that he and his boyfriend agreed, before the election, to attend a big family Christmas gathering for the first time in 20 years.”

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  244. @whorefinder

    But do go on. I’m all ears.
     
    We do know that, little Cheka member. We've seen the Snowden documentary, and read the Wikileaks and Manning releases. We know you're joyfully violatting the 4th Amendment with impunity, hacking cellphones and computers with glee, like the good little modern frumentarii you are.

    But hey, keep pretending you're the good guys. It's humorous to watch you lie so blatantly. Gives us all the giggles, ya KGB stooge.

    You have me confused with someone else, but continue to go on. This is amazing.

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  245. @Hippopotamusdrome


    Some researchers in West Virginia got a $70,000 grant to build a system that could fit in the trunk of a car so that you could test cars

     

    Americas worst whites hurting capitalism by reducing car companies profits in the name of "clean air". I bet they spent half the grant money on meth.

    Americas worst whites hurting capitalism by reducing car companies profits in the name of “clean air”. I bet they spent half the grant money on meth.Americas worst whites hurting capitalism by reducing car companies profits in the name of “clean air”. I bet they spent half the grant money on meth.

    Not funny, not the tiniest bit clever.

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    I'm just not very good at sarcasm. I've heard mentioned here West Virginia are the "worst whites" many times here, talks of "boiling off" etc.
  246. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Hippopotamusdrome


    In fact their tanks were a joke when they went up against Matildas and the French Char B1 in 1940.

     

    Yeah, Germany did really poorly against the French and British in France in 1940.

    Yeah, Germany did really poorly against the French and British in France in 1940.

    The performance of the German army as a whole in 1940 and the quality of their tanks are two different topics.

    The point I was trying to make is that the Germans have a reputation for industrial and technological prowess but in WW2 their military technology was often surprisingly unimpressive. Germany’s early victories were won in spite of some important deficiencies in their weaponry. In the latter stages of the war their military technology improved in many areas and they got their arses kicked.

    When it came to training, morale and tactical doctrine they were superb. The French were abysmal in all those areas.

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    To the extent their tanks were worse it was because they had less armor and smaller guns. But they also weighed less becuse of this and were more mobile which suited their role for strategic envelopment.
  247. @syonredux

    Industrialization increases efficiency. The “death factories” seem to have decreased it; the Hutus achieved a substantially higher death rate in the Rwandan Genocide doing it all by hand, with machetes.
     
    I think that the Nazis probably reached a peak in terms of killing efficiency during period stretching from the Summer of 1941 to the Spring of 1942. During that period they killed approx 2 million+ Soviet POWS and 500,000 + Jews. And those totals were largely achieved via starvation and mass shootings.

    My understanding is that one of the reasons for the shift to gassing involved Himmler's concern over the psychological toll that mass shootings exacted on German soldiers:

    After a time, Himmler found that the killing methods used by the Einsatzgruppen were inefficient: they were costly, demoralising for the troops, and sometimes did not kill the victims quickly enough.[104] Many of the troops found the massacres to be difficult if not impossible to perform. Some of the perpetrators suffered physical and mental health problems, and many turned to drink.[105] As much as possible, the Einsatzgruppen leaders militarized the genocide. The historian Christian Ingrao notes an attempt was made to make the shootings a collective act without individual responsibility. Framing the shootings in this way was not psychologically sufficient for every perpetrator to feel absolved of guilt.[106] Browning notes three categories of potential perpetrators: those who were eager to participate right from the start, those who participated in spite of moral qualms because they were ordered to do so, and a significant minority who refused to take part.[107] A few men spontaneously became excessively brutal in their killing methods and their zeal for the task. Commander of Einsatzgruppe D, SS-Gruppenführer Otto Ohlendorf, particularly noted this propensity towards excess, and ordered that any man who was too eager to participate or too brutal should not perform any further executions
     

    During a visit to Minsk in August 1941, Himmler witnessed an Einsatzgruppen mass execution first-hand and concluded that shooting Jews was too stressful for his men.[109] By November he made arrangements for any SS men suffering ill health from having participated in executions to be provided with rest and mental health care.[110] He also decided a transition should be made to gassing the victims, especially the women and children, and ordered the recruitment of expendable native auxiliaries who could assist with the murders.[110][111] Gas vans, which had been used previously to kill mental patients, began to see service by all four main Einsatzgruppen from 1942.[112] However, the gas vans were not popular with the Einsatzkommandos, because removing the dead bodies from the van and burying them was a horrible ordeal. Prisoners or auxiliaries were often assigned to do this task so as to spare the SS men the trauma.[
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen#Transition_to_gassing


    Killing German-Jews was viewed as particularly unpleasant:

    The protest of the Wehrmachtbefehlshaber in the Ostand was followed on December 16, 1941, by a letter from the Gerneralkommissar of White Russia, Gauleiter Kube. That letter was the first in a series of letters and protests by this official that were to shake at the foundations of the Nazi idea. It was addressed to Lohse personally (Mein lieber Hinrich). (43)
    Kube pointed out that about 6,000 to 7,000 Jews had arrived in Minsk; where the other 17,000 to 18,000 had remained he did not know. Among the arrivals there were World War I veterans with the Iron Cross (both First and Second Class), disabled veterans, half-Aryans, and even a three-quarter Aryan. Kube had visited the ghetto and had convinced himself that among the Jewish newcomers, who were much cleaner than Russian Jews, there were also many skilled laborers who could produce about five times as much as Russian Jews. The new arrivals would freeze to death or starve in the next few weeks. There were no serums to protect them against twenty-two epidemics in the area.

    Kube himself did not wish to issue any orders for the treatment of these Jews, although "certain formations" of the army and the police were already eyeing the personal possessions of these people. The SD had already taken away 400 mattresses - without asking. "I am certainly hard and I am ready," continued Kube, "to help solve the Jewish question, but people who come from our cultural milieu are certainly something else than the native animalized hordes. Should the Lithuanians and the Latvians - who are disliked here, too, by the population - be charged with the slaughter? I could not do it. I ask you, consider the honor of our Reich and our party, and give clear instructions to take care of what is necessary in a form which is humane."
     
    http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/esg/trials/profiles/milieu.html

    Have mass graves been located that contain the roughly 500,000 corpses?

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    Have mass graves been located that contain the roughly 500,000 corpses?
     
    Dunno. Estimates on the number of people killed by the Einsatzgruppen are largely based on their their own reports. For example,

    The so-called Jäger Report (full title: Complete tabulation of executions carried out in the Einsatzkommando 3 zone up to December 1, 1941)[1] was written on 1 December 1941 by Karl Jäger, commander of Einsatzkommando 3 (EK 3), a killing unit of Einsatzgruppe A which was attached to Army Group North during the Operation Barbarossa. It is the most detailed and precise surviving chronicle of the activities of one individual Einsatzkommando, and a key record documenting the Holocaust in Lithuania as well as in Latvia and Belarus
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A4ger_Report
  248. @SPMoore8
    This goes back to the analysis of Trevor Dupuy, whose "Genius for War" got this particular ball rolling in about 1977. Consequently it has been a fundamental thesis or antithesis for many, many military histories since then.

    When I was in the service many years ago I used to instruct fellow Marines on history and tradition so I can assure you that a lot of this is "dicksizing", or cheeleading, but that's good too, because by my analysis the success of the German armed forces from the 1860's to 1945 had a lot to do with morale and esprit du corps (aka willingness to make the "supreme sacrifice", "last full measure of devotion", etc.); that's what led them to spend so much time on developing and improving their tactical approaches (including weapons tech) as well, and morale is hugely important in terms of performance, at least by my reading of military history.

    For all that, Germany never had a chance of defeating the USSR; and they never had a chance of winning the war at all, once France and Britain chose to fight them.

    morale is hugely important in terms of performance, at least by my reading of military history

    Are you aware of any scientific studies that show this?

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  249. @David Davenport
    The Wehrmacht was as far as the Caucasus by mid-1942.

    In his book *Panzer Leader* published in English in ( I think ) 1957, Heinz Guderian says that instead of dividing their forces into a Northern Army, aiming for Leningrad, a Central Army pointed toward Moscow, and a Southern Army in the Caucasus, all German forces should have concentrated on taking Moscow. After taking Moscow, conquest of other parts of the USSR would have followed. This would have been a winning plan.

    Guderian says he and other officers knew this at the time, but the Big Boss insisted on spreading his army much too thinly.

    Armchair generals post 1941-42 tend to agree with Guderian.

    You’re describing the 1941 campaign, not 1942. You’re correct that Hitler and his generals (and some generals sided with Hitler, although certainly not Heinz Guderian) disagreed over what the objective of the 1941 campaign should be: (1) the political center of Moscow; (2) the economic resources that the USSR needed to support its war effort; or (3) the Red Army. You’re also right that most historians contemplating the 1941 campaign have generally felt that a drive on Moscow in August/September would have had a greater chance of success than the actual offensive launched in the Ukraine. But this is by no means certain–a drive on Moscow in August/ September would have left major Red Army units intact and in a possible position to sever the lines of communication of the German armored spearheads. Most of the Wehrmacht was horse-drawn; keeping up with the tanks was a major problem. Tanks that are out of fuel and ammunition are pretty useless. And Napoleon had captured Moscow in 1812, but left the Russian Army intact–how’d that work out?

    By 1942 the problem of extended fronts and lines of communication became insuperable, although a lot of military observers thought that the USSR was at the end of its rope because of the impressive territorial gains the Germans were running up in the south.

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  250. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @dfordoom

    Yet the Wehrmacht won most of the battles until 1942; a tribute to German organization, tactics and training.
     
    True enough, but the point we're discussing is overall German efficiency, which includes industrial efficiency. Sending troops to battle in sub-standard tanks isn't very efficient.

    With better equipment the Germans would have had a better chance of winning the Battle of Moscow in 1941, which in retrospect is the battle that lost the war for them.

    And I'm sure German pilots were excellent but they lost the Battle of Britain because they lacked decent long-range fighters.

    They also lost the Battle of the Atlantic because they started the war with only a handful of U-boats. Instead they were building useless surface ships like the Bismarck.

    The Germans just hadn't thought through this whole fighting a war thing.

    Actually, post 1918 Armistice treaties strictly limited the size and scope of the German navy, and also put severe limits on German army and air force armaments.

    Hitler spat on these treaties during the ‘appeasement’ episode when Britain was lacked the nerve and will to punish Germany.

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  251. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @syonredux

    For all that, Germany never had a chance of defeating the USSR; and they never had a chance of winning the war at all, once France and Britain chose to fight them.
     
    About the only strategy that might have worked is this: fighting a genuine war of liberation against Bolshevik rule. Of course, since Hitler was all about subjugating the peoples of the USSR*, pursuing that kind of kind of war would have presented certain difficulties.....

    All things considered, the Germans came a lot closer to victory in 1914-18 than they did in 1939-45.



    *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_Plan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

    About the only strategy that might have worked is this: fighting a genuine war of liberation against Bolshevik rule.

    yep

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  252. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @David Davenport
    I sort of agree, but the best would be not to have immigrants. Lower birth rate without immigrants around is less problematic. But when you are competing with other tribes in the same place, if you have a lower birth rate you may go the way of the Neanderthal.


    But what did happen to the Neanderthals? Might the Neander folk have survived if they had kept the Cro-Magnon "immigrants" out of post-Ice Age Europe?

    And what evidence can you cite to show that the Neanderthals had a low birth rate?

    And what evidence can you cite to show that the Neanderthals had a low birth rate?

    They had lower numbers – as you’d expect.

    (As the earth warmed population density would increase from the equator outwards so the people on the south side of the neanderthal-human border i.e. humans, would always have a numerical advantage.)

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  253. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @syonredux
    Rating German military effectiveness in WW2:

    According to calculations by the US Army the results of the battles in WW2 were only possible, when the soldiers of the Wehrmacht – man for man and unit for unit – were 20 to 30 percent more effective than was the British and American forces they faced.

    Extrapolating the individual soldiers against each other – and although the Wehrmacht was far lower in numbers – so the German troops that faced British and American troops (for assaults with the usual factor of 1.0 – in the defense in carefully selected positions with view by a factor of 1.3 – in prepared defense positions 1.5 – in fortified defense positions by a factor of 1.6) cause approximately 50 percent higher losses than they suffer under all combat conditions.

    This was accessible whether the Germans were in attack or defense, if they were locally in place with higher numbers or – what was the rule – in lower numbers, if they had air cover or not, whether they had won the battle or lost at the end.
     

    Even in the bitter years of defeats on the Russian front, the German combat effectiveness superiority over the Russians was even more pronounced. In the early days of the campaign in the east, one German division could take up with three Russian divisions of comparable strength and power. And, theoretically, under favorable defense conditions one German division could stand against no less than seven comparable Russian divisions.

    In 1944 this superiority was still about 2:1, and one German soldier at the front caused an average loss of 7.78 Russians for one German casualty. These figures need to adapted to the fact that the Wehrmacht in 1944 was almost always in the defense, had a relatively higher mobility and at this time the German weapons were better than the weapons of the Russians. But even if you take into account these considerations, the ratio for the infliction of losses was more than 4:1 and the German fighting power in battle was – man by man – about more than 50% better.
     
    http://ww2-weapons.com/fighting-power-of-the-wehrmacht/

    it’s average IQ imo

    one of the big things about the German military was (is?) something i’ve heard multiple names for but i’ll use “mission tactics”

    imo the relevant part of mission tactics to this discussion boils down to “use your initiative”

    “use your initiative” will have a minimum IQ requirement to do more good than harm

    which means the level of command where “use your initiative” does more good than harm will vary with average IQ: in a nation with a low average IQ the minimum brains might run out around battalion or company commander level whereas in a high average IQ nation the minimum brains might extend down to platoon or even squad level.

    nations where the minimum brains extends down to the lowest level of command will promote mission tactics and nations that don’t will promote doctrine where lower levels of command are explicitly told not to use their initiative.

    that’s my explanation of the German advantage: average IQ of 105 vs 100 (at least at the time)

    (if correct the Russians had a double disadvantage in the early part of Barbarossa as Stalin and the kommisars actively suppressed initiative – hence their dramatic improvement after that was reduced)

    (you see the same thing in construction where among some groups the skilled tradesmen – the civilian version of NCOs – figure out glitches in the plans themselves whereas other groups wait to be told)

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  254. @David Davenport
    The Wehrmacht was as far as the Caucasus by mid-1942.

    In his book *Panzer Leader* published in English in ( I think ) 1957, Heinz Guderian says that instead of dividing their forces into a Northern Army, aiming for Leningrad, a Central Army pointed toward Moscow, and a Southern Army in the Caucasus, all German forces should have concentrated on taking Moscow. After taking Moscow, conquest of other parts of the USSR would have followed. This would have been a winning plan.

    Guderian says he and other officers knew this at the time, but the Big Boss insisted on spreading his army much too thinly.

    Armchair generals post 1941-42 tend to agree with Guderian.

    But that’s what Napoleon did. Hitler was superstitious and didn’t want to tread in Napoleon’s footsteps.

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  255. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @J.M.
    Yeah, because collapsing birthrates and an aged population in a hostile region with titanic neighbours hellbent on your destruction or vassalage is so good. Japan's economy will continue shrinking, so will its military readiness. Unless a miracle happens, Japan by the end of this century will be a Chinese satellite or a cluster of radioactive debris floating on the Pacific.

    I can't understand the obsession of many in these forums to escape reality.

    Japan will be fine as long as they don’t listen to the people who want to destroy the Japanese (and every other) nation.

    1) robotics will counter the temporary effect of an aging population – the elderly bulge

    2) fewer people will lead to lower population density and an increased birth rate

    I can’t understand the obsession of many in these forums to escape reality.

    Whereas I perfectly understand why people like you want to use cultural manipulation to destroy competitor nations.

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    The options are not limited to leave foreign immigrants enter your country en masse or die. The option would be to have at least 2 children per couple. Japan (like the rest of Europe) is far away from this simple feat and both have less children and teenagers (in relative and absolute terms) than 100 years ago.

    1) Moreover Robotics applied to defense are the only hope Japan has, in view of a more than likely conflict with China in this century. Identity issues are a moot point when you are a lowly vassal or a radioactive corpse. However they are still years away from having reliable killing machines. In the meantime, thanks to their birthrates and an aged population, conventional warfare is out of the question with China or its allies, hence less options for them (the Japanese). In a hostile neighbourhood when all your neighbours would rather see you dead, weakness is a capital sin.

    2) You like the rest of reality deniers can't see the issue straight due to your desire to have the good things of the classical western civilization, sans its culture and religion. How come there will be more babies when there are less children and teens today than in 1935 (in the case of Japan)? And less young adults as well. The problem is not only the quantity of people but the age structure of the population and the modern culture (Japanese women hardly will start having 4 children to compensate for the children their parents and grandparents didn't have).

    No matter how you cut it, Japan can't be an example to the West in anything pertaining culture or demographics. At least Europe is not in the neighbourhood of a giant nuclear armed superpower that has instilled in its youth an irrational hatred towards Europeans.
  256. Dumbo says:
    @David Davenport
    I sort of agree, but the best would be not to have immigrants. Lower birth rate without immigrants around is less problematic. But when you are competing with other tribes in the same place, if you have a lower birth rate you may go the way of the Neanderthal.


    But what did happen to the Neanderthals? Might the Neander folk have survived if they had kept the Cro-Magnon "immigrants" out of post-Ice Age Europe?

    And what evidence can you cite to show that the Neanderthals had a low birth rate?

    I think there are studies/theories indicating that Neanderthals had lower fertility that Sapiens, but I don’t have the link now.

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  257. Parbes says:
    @Jack D
    No, those people WERE deliberately drinking bath lotion because it was much cheaper than vodka (almost everywhere in the world, including Russia, a big part of the price of alcoholic drinks is alcoholic beverage tax - no tax on bath lotion) and available at all hours (and to all ages) from vending machines. It was a sort of wink, wink, nod, nod thing that everyone knew that you didn't actually put this "bath lotion" in your bath, you drank it.

    The reason that they died was that in the past the bath lotion was made with ethyl alcohol but recently (and apparently without changing the label) someone (not clear who or why - a lot of things are murky in Russia - maybe some local official wanted to kill off the bath lotion trade in order to collect more vodka tax, maybe methyl alcohol is cheaper) starting putting poisonous methyl alcohol in it instead and people started dropping like flies. This is a deniable sort of crime because the bottles were always labeled "not for human consumption" (wink wink nod nod) so anyone drinking it was drinking at their own risk. If they changed the formula for Windex from non-poisonous to poisonous, would that be a crime given that you aren't supposed to drink Windex in the 1st place?

    Your ***reliable*** source for all this?

    Plus, even if all this is true, it doesn’t change anything in regard to what I said about stereotyping an entire nation/society based on what some trashy low-class idiots within that society do. Just think of all the ways that Americans could be described from the outside, for example, copying your bigoted and insulting approach: “nation of drug-pushers”, “society of cocaine-snorters”, “people who like to turn themselves into zombies with meth and bath salts”, “AIDS virus load-lovers”, etc. etc. At least these poor sods who got poisoned in Irkutsk were trying to imbibe the regular, “normal” stimulant ethyl alcohol – not something totally unnatural, monstrous, dehumanizing and demonic such as methamphetamine, bath salts, designer drugs, or the like. It’s your ATTITUDE that is wrong.

    To say nothing of the fact – always ignored by you right-wing Cold War bigots – that all social ills in the former USSR, from poverty to alcoholism, increased to the point of major problems AFTER the dissolution of the USSR, under the conditions of socioeconomic collapse brought about by neoliberal economic policies and cucks like Yeltsin and the rest of the oligarch/liberal clique.

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  258. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @International Jew
    He's right, you're more likely to die of old age, than be killed by a terrorist.

    that may be true now – but eventually a tipping point will be reached where mass violent jihad will be a feasible option and then the native populations will be much more likely to be killed by jihad than old age

    it’s why Israel forced up the Jewish birth rate, right?

    and given the demographics of the invasion – young males – that tipping point is only a few years away in some Euro countries

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  259. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @James N. Kennett

    Turkey would have to be kicked out of a revitalized NATO. My prediction is that Turkey is going to become more and more Islamic and worthless.
     
    Absolutely. In years gone by, the murder of an ambassador would have been a casus belli. Erdogan was mad enough to purge his security forces, and leave the Russian Ambassador undefended (according to his widow). If Turkey and Russia end up at war, why should Europe and North America have any obligation to fight on Turkey's side?

    Make Istanbul, Constantinople again.

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  260. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Skylurk
    The foreigners are giving the country something it needs: more babies.

    That is one of the saddest statements I have read. Bloomberg inhabits a reality in which Western culture, tradition, and public safety are irrelevant compared with immigrant baby factories churning out more future consumers.

    Bloomberg inhabits a reality in which Western culture, tradition, and public safety are irrelevant compared with immigrant baby factories churning out more future consumers

    Or maybe their pro-immigration arguments are simply a smoke screen for divide and rule.

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  261. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Whoever

    The Bundeswehr might have been one of the strongest three militaries in the world as late as the 1980s .... Now it’s not considered a reliable partner ....
     
    The British armed forces seem to have followed a similar downward path. They performed well in the Falklands and the 1st Gulf War, but their performance in the 2nd was such a fiasco that they had to be rescued by the US Army.
    They tried to redeem themselves in Afghanistan but it did not go well; in fact, their dismal performance led Col. Michael Killion, G-3 of the 22nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, to say that all the British did was sit on their asses and take casualties.
    It seems that once the Cold War ended, the Europeans saw no need to maintain competent militaries and let them deteriorate.

    It seems that once the Cold War ended, the Europeans saw no need to maintain competent militaries and let them deteriorate.

    The EU has been deliberately down grading the national militaries in preparation for dissolving them and creating an EU military – which given the nature of the EU will be primarily a para-military intended to keep the native population down.

    Which means they will recruit lots of north Africans into it for diversity.

    What happens after that should be obvious.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    ...and don't forget 'diversity' female officers and generals.
  262. @dfordoom

    Yeah, Germany did really poorly against the French and British in France in 1940.
     
    The performance of the German army as a whole in 1940 and the quality of their tanks are two different topics.

    The point I was trying to make is that the Germans have a reputation for industrial and technological prowess but in WW2 their military technology was often surprisingly unimpressive. Germany's early victories were won in spite of some important deficiencies in their weaponry. In the latter stages of the war their military technology improved in many areas and they got their arses kicked.

    When it came to training, morale and tactical doctrine they were superb. The French were abysmal in all those areas.

    To the extent their tanks were worse it was because they had less armor and smaller guns. But they also weighed less becuse of this and were more mobile which suited their role for strategic envelopment.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    How much of WWII armaments reflect culture and how much reflect random fluctuations?

    For example, the US Navy had a terrible torpedo for much of WWII, while the Japanese had a very good torpedo. To some extent that may have reflected a failing of American democracy in terms of pork distribution, but it also reflected just sort of a random failure.

    In contrast, a lot of Italian weaponry seems to have reflected stereotypical Italian culture: you had airplanes that were handcrafted masterpieces, but the Italians couldn't get organized to produce them en masse.

    German WWII weaponry seems kind of science fictiony: extremely advanced in a wouldn't-it-be-cool way, but without being necessarily all that practical the way that the Soviets hit the quality-quantity sweetspot with the T-34, the one weapon they absolutely had to get right to survive. For example, the Germans were thinking about during WWII an electric rail gun, which the U.S. Navy is still working on three quarters of a century later.

    , @reiner Tor
    German tanks had the best radios in 1940, which was crucial for mobile warfare. No other tanks were as suited for Blitzkrieg as German tanks.
  263. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Beckow
    Germans don't borrow enough, it is a cultural thing. But it might not be that smart. In a debt and credit driven economy, the ones refusing to borrow will eventually be the ones paying for the un-payable loans. We have had a few years of hard-ass, austerity, pay-your-debts-or-else rule, but it is coming to an end because it has never been sustainable.

    Rational behavior needs to account for context - if credit is easy, not using it is not rational, it is self-defeating. Because the message in easy credit is that nobody expects that it will all be paid back (we don't have slave labor any more). I am not criticizing the Germans, but they might end up paying for the others whether they like it or not.

    When in Rome, do as Romans do - you are paying for it anyway.

    Usury* is parasitic and promoted by parasites.

    Until people realize this, usury will continue to destroy one civilization after another.

    (*for consumption, money-lending to increase production is different)

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  264. anon says: • Disclaimer

    The German problem vis a vis terrorism is the same as everywhere else, perhaps more so – their number one priority is avoiding being called racist.

    It’s as mentioned in a comment above – a healthy society needs mechanisms to deal with the free rider problem and that ability has been switched off when it comes to ethnic minorities.

    All the societies affected by this are being eaten alive by foreign free riders – including those who aren’t free riders by nature but slip into it because in the context it is foolish not to

    (e.g. east Asians jumping on the PC train because if they don’t all that white surplus being given away for free will go to someone who does)

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    It’s as mentioned in a comment above – a healthy society needs mechanisms to deal with the free rider problem and that ability has been switched off when it comes to ethnic minorities.

    All the societies affected by this are being eaten alive by foreign free riders – including those who aren’t free riders by nature but slip into it because in the context it is foolish not to.


    Can you explain in what specific ways these people are free riding?
  265. @Hippopotamusdrome
    To the extent their tanks were worse it was because they had less armor and smaller guns. But they also weighed less becuse of this and were more mobile which suited their role for strategic envelopment.

    How much of WWII armaments reflect culture and how much reflect random fluctuations?

    For example, the US Navy had a terrible torpedo for much of WWII, while the Japanese had a very good torpedo. To some extent that may have reflected a failing of American democracy in terms of pork distribution, but it also reflected just sort of a random failure.

    In contrast, a lot of Italian weaponry seems to have reflected stereotypical Italian culture: you had airplanes that were handcrafted masterpieces, but the Italians couldn’t get organized to produce them en masse.

    German WWII weaponry seems kind of science fictiony: extremely advanced in a wouldn’t-it-be-cool way, but without being necessarily all that practical the way that the Soviets hit the quality-quantity sweetspot with the T-34, the one weapon they absolutely had to get right to survive. For example, the Germans were thinking about during WWII an electric rail gun, which the U.S. Navy is still working on three quarters of a century later.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Apparently, Mussolini personally vetoed the production of a heavy Italian battle tank, in favor of those farty little Fiat things, because, according to him, highly mobile, light hit and run tanks were more in keeping with the Italian 'national character' than great big heavy tanks.

    In the event, the British made mincemeat of light Italian tanks in the north African desert.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    I share your admiration for the T-34; there's a museum north of Moscow devoted to nothing but the T-34. Heinz Guderian pleaded with German armor manufacturers to just copy it. One design of the Tiger II (rejected) had some bizarre dual electric engine arrangement--what could they have been thinking of? And the V-2 was just weird--all that work to deliver a ton of explosives to somewhere in a city.

    I'd say U.S. fighter planes were the embodiment of the national mass production of very good, but not cutting edge technology: P-47, P-51, F6F, F4U (maybe P-38). The British Spitfire was magnificent, but extremely expensive to make; those elliptical wing tips required hours of hand labor.

    , @dfordoom

    German WWII weaponry seems kind of science fictiony: extremely advanced in a wouldn’t-it-be-cool way, but without being necessarily all that practical
     
    I believe they were working on a sound gun. And a wind gun to create artificial tornadoes to down Allied bombers! And a gun with a curved barrel to shoot around corners. Which is a great weapon to have if your enemy is hiding around a corner. If he's right in front of you you're in big trouble.

    So not kind of science fictiony but very science fictiony indeed.
    , @David Davenport
    ... the Soviets hit the quality-quantity sweetspot with the T-34, the one weapon they absolutely had to get right to survive.

    It's Christmas day! Only teenage boys should care about old war stuff, especially on this special day!

    T-34 versus improved Sherman

    Wikipedia sez: T-34

    ... Korean War (1950–1951)

    A 1954 survey concluded that there were 119 tank vs. tank actions involving U.S. Army and Marine units during the Korean War, with 97 T-34-85 tanks knocked out and another 18 probable. The M4A3E8 was involved in 50% of the tank actions, the M26 in 32%, and the M46 in 10%.[110] The M26 and M46 proved to be an overmatch for the T-34-85 as their 90 mm HVAP round could punch all the way through the T-34 from the front glacis armour to the back,[111] whereas the T-34-85 had difficulty penetrating the armour of the M26 or the M46.[112] The M4A3E8, firing 76 mm HVAP rounds, was a closer match to the T-34-85 as both tanks could destroy each other at normal combat ranges; however, the HVAP round gave the M4A3E8 an advantage in penetration.[112][113] ...

    The M4A3E8 was the improved model of the Sherman tank, with 76mm gun and wider treads. All M4A3E8's were manufactured in 1944-45.

    , @Corn
    Spot on Steve. I believe there was a similiar dynamic at work with the Japanese in WW2. I recall reading that Japanese fighter planes were pathetically thinly armored...... but so what? According to bushido a warrior should be attacking not defending.
    , @anonguy

    For example, the US Navy had a terrible torpedo for much of WWII, while the Japanese had a very good torpedo. To some extent that may have reflected a failing of American democracy in terms of pork distribution, but it also reflected just sort of a random failure.
     
    Steve, you can do a lot better than this. Wikipedia is pretty good on this topic since it is of no interest to SJWs. The issue is a lot more complex and a lot more interesting than an off the cuff stereotype. In no way was this a random design failure, but a complex interweave of factors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_14_torpedo

    To the extent that US armaments reflected stereotypes of the US, there was indeed a lot of mass produced junk, but that tended to be the things that, unlike torpedoes, were designed and mass produced in a hurry during the war in