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Being a fact is what makes it racist. That the designated next host of The Daily Show, Trevor Noah, doesn’t get that cornerstone of political correctness troubles a lot of nice white liberals, no matter how many Pokemon points being born in Soweto gets him.

From the New York Times:

Comedy Central Stands Behind Trevor Noah, New ‘Daily Show’ Host, Amid Scrutiny

By DAVE ITZKOFF MARCH 31, 2015

Within hours of the announcement that he had been named the new host of “The Daily Show,” the comedian Trevor Noah was subjected to the full scrutiny of the Internet. As potential audience members scoured his past work and social media presence for more clues to Mr. Noah, a South African comedian, they uncovered many posts on his Twitter account that they deemed offensive to women or Jews.

Comedy Central announced on Monday that Mr. Noah, 31, would succeed Jon Stewart as anchor of “The Daily Show,” its satirical late-night news program, when Mr. Stewart steps down this year. Though Mr. Noah has performed stand-up comedy around the world, he is not widely known in the United States, and he had appeared as an on-air contributor to “The Daily Show” only three times before being named as host.

On Twitter, where he has had an account since 2009 and accumulated more than two million followers, Mr. Noah often posts irreverent statements that reflect his interests in popular culture, global politics and issues of race. As with many comedians, Mr. Noah’s jokes can test the boundaries of what is socially permissible and what is in bad taste.

In several posts, Mr. Noah came across as mocking or derisive of women. In one from 2011, he writes: “Oh yeah the weekend. People are gonna get drunk & think that I’m sexy!” a quote that he attributes to “fat chicks everywhere.”

In a post from last year, he quotes another Twitter user who writes, “When a woman is loved correctly, she becomes 10 times the woman she was before,” to which Mr. Noah adds: “So she gets fat?”

Mr. Noah has also posted jokes about Jews and about Israel. As he wrote in 2009, “Almost bumped a Jewish kid crossing the road. He didn’t look b4 crossing but I still would hav felt so bad in my german car!”

A post from 2010 reads, “South Africans know how to recycle like israel knows how to be peaceful.”

Reacting to some of Mr. Noah’s jokes in a post for The Daily Caller, a news and opinion website based in Washington, Jamie Weinstein, a senior editor, wrote that this tweet “does seem to suggest that Noah believes Israel is an inherently belligerent country.”

Mr. Weinstein wrote that this was a potentially dangerous attitude for a new host of “The Daily Show,” adding: “Many young people don’t watch ‘The Daily Show’ just to laugh — they watch the show to get their news. The show shapes perceptions.”

Abraham H. Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, said in a statement that he wished Mr. Noah well in his new position at “The Daily Show,” but cautioned him against perpetuating stereotypes. …

Mr. Foxman added: “We hope he will not cross the line from legitimate satire into offensiveness with jokes calling up anti-Semitic stereotypes and misogyny. And we hope that he and Comedy Central will make a conscious effort to ensure that ‘The Daily Show’ remains funny and irreverent without trafficking in bigoted jokes at the expense of Jews, other minorities and women.”

Like I’ve been saying, ethnocentric liberal Jews like Abe Foxman are starting to get worried that diversity isn’t necessarily good for the Jews. You bring in some African guy and maybe he hasn’t been trained as well in terms of where the landmines are as some Lutheran comedian from Minnesota.

From The Atlantic:

Trevor Noah Meets the Outrage Internet

The Daily Show protégé’s controversial tweets illustrate how some kinds of bad humor can’t survive.

SPENCER KORNHABER AND JAMES HAMBLIN MAR 31 2015, 2:12 PM ET

Yesterday Comedy Central announced that South African comedian Trevor Noah will replace Jon Stewart as host of The Daily Show beginning in December. Curious fans of the show scrambled to learn more about Noah, whose fan base is large but not concentrated in the United States. Those people found a Twitter account (with two million followers) that included multiple instances of jokes that many deemed tone-deaf and tasteless.

There is outcry, across social media and on most news sites today. The Atlantic staff writer Spencer Kornhaber and senior editor James Hamblin discuss.

Hamblin: Are these jokes real or some kind of performance-art parody?

Kornhaber: That would be nice, if it turned out to be a parody of some sort. I guess. But it’d have to have been started back in 2009, which would make for a pretty long-running conspiracy. The first thing that strikes me about these tweets is just how inept they are as attempts at humor. They didn’t make me chuckle guiltily. They just made me embarrassed for him. Right?

Hamblin: Most of these are old, from four to five years ago, so maybe it was just his racism/sexism/anti-Semitic phase?

Kornhaber: Yeah, it’s interesting to look at the timestamps. His more recent controversial tweets are, at least, attempts at jokes, not just repeating old stereotypes. The Bruce Jenner one from last month—not exactly enlightened but, meh, fine. #BeatsByDreidel in May of 2014 indulges some not-s0-helpful thoughts about Jews controlling the world, but actually is almost a punchline, at least. The older stuff is just such a fascinating glimpse at what makes bad humor bad—the idea that you’re doing something exciting by saying something offensive, when really you’re just outing yourself as a deeply unoriginal thinker who has a tragically commonplace obsession with Jews. Or you’re outing yourself as the stereotype of a frat-bro when it comes to attitudes toward women. You have a little bit of a standup background, Jim.

“A little bit of a standup background” = Jim thought he was funny, but, it turned out, audiences disagreed.

What do you make of this stuff?

Hamblin: Even trying to take them in good faith, I hate these jokes, but it’s probably good that there’s blowback now, so Noah and everyone at The Daily Show can be better in the future. So without implying that historical precedent is a defense of bigotry, look at Bob Hope. He was beloved in the 1950s, but most of his comedy doesn’t hold up today at all. From 1970:

You know, a new movement–a new movement has appeared on the American scene. First women’s liberation demanded the rights of women. Then the hardhats demanded the rights of men. And now gay liberation is demanding the rights of–whatever they are.

Pause for laughter. Richard Zoglin argues in his biography that Hope was just a relic of vaudeville, where he got his start, which involved a lot of blackface and one-liners about the incompetence of women—the kinds of jokes that are not jokes at all really, just gags that rely on a high hat to tell people when to laugh.

Hope was adored in his prime, but then his misogyny fell out of style, and his fans and the industry largely disowned him. Things are still getting better, but the root of a lot of comedy today comes from broad generalizations about people. It’s cool to be able to spot behavioral trends and call them out, but doing it along racial and gender lines is, to use your favorite word, almost always in some way problematic.

Can’t we all just make jokes about the marketing of Pop Tarts and the people who deny that humans are producing carbon that is changing the climate in terrible ways? Or, sorry, about that logic, not those people. Even though they are all ugly people. Taking the high ground in terms of subjects that deserve to be made fun of—e.g. not obese women or the Jewish people as a whole—is coming in style so hard, which is cool. Not just Stephen Colbert and John Oliver, but even Seth Meyers is taking on stuff like Indiana’s “religious freedom” law in a five-minute rant on civil-rights laws. So many white dudes in suits at desks making important commentary-jokes. Johnny Carson would not have done that.

Kornhaber: Yeah, it’s good to keep the broader comedy context in mind. (Also, step off, I challenge you to find me ever using the word “problematic” in earnest.) As Roxane Gay pointed out on Twitter, lots and lots of beloved comics have said dicey things, made identity jokes, etc. Jon Stewart himself often walked the line on The Daily Show. So singling out Noah—a comedian who, blessedly, is of a different background than those who usually take up late-night host spots—doesn’t help anyone. Like I said, his Jew/women tweets come from a common phenomenon: the mistaken belief that saying something wrongheaded is the same as saying something transgressive. The best comics, from Dave Chappelle to Stephen Colbert to Tina Fey, talk about identity in original ways, making the joke be on the larger culture and not on the individual group.–

Yeah, right … Did anybody watch the last four years of Fey’s 30 Rock?

As for Chappelle, he started out making fun of black people for black audiences because that’s what blacks find funny — blacks. Then he transferred his act to national audiences on TV, and a bunch of white facilitators assured him that white people were only laughing at his jokes about black people in a meta-fashion, they were laughing at white stereotypes about blacks, or something. So reassured, he went on making fun of black people until a blue collar white stagehand laughed in a really not-meta fashion at one of his jokes about black people, at which point he realized his white handlers had been lying to him, he had a mental breakdown, and walked out on his $25 million per year contract.

Hamblin: So what’s to be done here? Nothing? Is comedy going to just get forcibly higher brow until every late-night show is tackling net neutrality and hiring investigative journalists as writers?

Kornhaber: He should explain the thinking behind some of those jokes and whether he still holds to that thinking. He should probably offer an apology. More important, though, would be a vow from him to try harder—to be more creative, more insightful, funnier. Because insight, something that a program like The Daily Show prides itself on offering, doesn’t jibe with perpetuating racism or sexism, which are, at core, stupid belief systems. I don’t want more sanitized humor; I just want humor that gets how funny the world actually is.

 
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  1. Bugg says:

    Michael Richards, a Jewish comedian who was arguably the funniest part of the best sitcom ever, was also “only joking”.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Michael Richards isn't Jewish. And he is a much better comic actor than comedian. He got in trouble during that standup incident because he wasn't joking -- he got angry at black hecklers who had gotten under his skin. If he had made a funny joke about blacks at that point, he wouldn't have gotten in so much trouble.
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    The ADL actually came out at the time with a statement that Michael Richards was NOT jewish. So helpful.
    , @Jew
    FYI Michael Richards isn't Jewish, he's half Italian-American.
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  2. Twitter is not a very good forum for non-established comics since delivery is irrelevant. With an established comedian the reader sort of gets the voice in his mind.

    Anyhow its nice to see Steve getting his Emma Lazarus on.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    A lot of comedians and TV writers do fine on Twitter, but obviously, it's got to be humor that doesn't rely on subtext.
  3. Bob Hope was making jokes that the backed the establishment view. Hamblin and Kornhaber want comics to do the same thing for the current SJW establishment but I guess pretend that it’s still anti-establishment comedy or something.

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    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    In other words they want someone who isn't afraid to speak truth to Haven Monahan.
    , @donut
    I don't have cable so no tv . What ever I see of these new comics is on Netflix or youtube . A lot of these comedians get advertised as un PC but within the first minute of opening their traps they make sure everyone understands that they hold all the established PC views and no one is going to be offended except the permitted targets . I guess making jokes about racists (white racists that is) and all the other favorite targets of that crowd is considered daring but I just considered it lame . Family friendly humor really if you're a member of b**tf**k nation . Bill Burr can come close ,sometimes he will crack on women and some of the other sacred cows of PC but he knows better than to invite a twitter storm . Who can blame him . It's a shame because the whole PC SJW homo twitter mob hysteria phenomena would be such an endless source of comedy material . I suppose the best comedy today is never heard by more than two or three people at a time .
    I liked Dave Chappelle and I used to be a fan of Chris Rock before he went to Hollywood and turned into Eddie Murphy doing movies you can take your kids to if you're unfortunate enough to have any . Chappelle did comedy about black people because it's the subject he knows and he could be great sometimes , the Rick James skits were comedy gold but my favorite was the Wayne Brady one :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvYD-kuoLI4

    I guess if you want some unPC laughs today you'll have to go to The Smoking Gun

    , @Chris Mallory
    I have wondered about all the Hope hate lately. The man lived 100 years, according to IMDb, he had acting credits up into his 90s. He had 94 credits as an actor and 399 under "Self". Not to mention all his USO work, 57 shows over 50 years up into his late 80s.

    When compared to Mel Brooks, Hope has double the acting credits. Double the "Self" credits. More credits as a producer and on soundtrack. Brooks does have more writing and directing credits, but for the most part I would not consider those consumer driven.
  4. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Bugg
    Michael Richards, a Jewish comedian who was arguably the funniest part of the best sitcom ever, was also "only joking".

    Michael Richards isn’t Jewish. And he is a much better comic actor than comedian. He got in trouble during that standup incident because he wasn’t joking — he got angry at black hecklers who had gotten under his skin. If he had made a funny joke about blacks at that point, he wouldn’t have gotten in so much trouble.

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    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    I think Michael Richards has Jewish ancestry.
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    When I first heard Richards, I thought he could have made a plausible argument that he was being ironic, which it sounded to me like he was. It was weird how he was yelling the word. It didn't sound like he was saying meanly, in my opinion.
  5. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I’ve never heard of the guy. I’m surprised they got a guy nobody in the US has heard of as the new host.

    It’s also remarkable just how much intellectual attention and energy is expended by media people scrutinizing and psychoanalyzing these tweets.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Also, they're tweets he sent out for free, not professionally crafted jokes he charges money to tell.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Trevor Noah has sent out 8,823 tweets.

    https://twitter.com/trevornoah

    Apparently those were his most offensive.

    His comments about fat women might offend modern sensibilities, but his joke about Israel seems hardly noteworthy. I suppose Israeli domination of the media has become so extreme that even minor critique of Israeli foreign policy may not be permissible. There was a time, as recently as about 10-15 years ago, when you did see a few public figures (Robert Novak, Tucker Carlson, Alan Colmes) mildly critique Israel.

    The reason so much attention and intellectual energy is being spent on this topic is because it's important to shape the narrative. Let the public know that anyone who deviates from the ruling party script is in danger of being excommunicated. That fear keeps people in line.

    Especially in today's age, nothing is more important than controlling the media/entertainment discourse. Tv, radio, and movies have tremendous influence over the public.
    , @BubbaJoe
    "It’s also remarkable just how much intellectual attention and energy is expended by media people scrutinizing and psychoanalyzing these tweets."

    Makes sense though. If you believe culture determines everything, and 'culture' is malleable, the only way to see the change you wish for is to control it completely. The slightest deviation can derail [another annoying buzz word] attempts at such change. And the only way you can convince people to adhere to such rigidity is to believe yourself that allowing said deviations will, if you really think about it, lead inexorably to female manumission. If a joke (an accurate one at that) about large women is let slide, the next thing you know women everywhere will be losing the right to vote and own property. This is crazy, but within their intellectual framework, it's logical.
  6. Whiskey says: • Website

    Trevor Noah is Black so he can say whatever he wants. What, Comedy Central will fire the Black Guy who took over from Stewart? The “trailblazer?” Trevor Noah could be giving the Quenelle every night and staging a “Heil No, it’s Friday” party celebrating the Fuhrer and Comedy Central would do nothing.

    Because he’s BLACK.

    Just as no matter how badly Obama screws up, he will never go too far down beyond 47% because he’s Black.

    Hollywood has lots of good jobs. Money and power that can be made by non-Whites. All they have to do is scream racism loud and long enough and Hollywood will start a White purge until TV, movies, etc. all look like a Detroit Saturday afternoon. With about as much success. Wellington NZ real estate agents are probably making plans now.

    My guess is that Comedy Central will feature a lot of low-level Jew-baiting stuff on the order of Dieudonne M’bala M’bala who Trevor Noah seems to resemble career wise, at least early in Dieudonne M’bala M’bala’s career, i.e. before the Quenelle and going full Fuhrer. [Never go full Fuhrer.] Why? Because South African Blacks and Mixed Race guys just plain don’t like Jews, a whole lot. Jews are much smarter and they’re much dumber. Hence the HATE HATE HATE. Dumb people hate smart people, news at 11. See Amy Chua’s World on Fire.

    Feminists will have fun. Black guys don’t pay them much mind and I expect more fat chick jokes too.

    Kinda shows how thin the talent is in stand-up/comedy/hosting, among Blacks and Hispanics. There’s zero barrier to entry, really, but one: talent. It seems to require a rapid-fire intelligence, broad but not deep, a sense of the audience, and even more a sense of the broader audience not in the room who might laugh or take offense at a joke later. I get it now why Leno lasted so long, why Conan couldn’t make it to the big show, why Chevy Chase failed, Arsenio flamed out, Joan Rivers did too. That sort of thing is hard. Probably harder than playing QB for a Superbowl capable team. Rare too.

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  7. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @anony-mouse
    Twitter is not a very good forum for non-established comics since delivery is irrelevant. With an established comedian the reader sort of gets the voice in his mind.

    Anyhow its nice to see Steve getting his Emma Lazarus on.

    A lot of comedians and TV writers do fine on Twitter, but obviously, it’s got to be humor that doesn’t rely on subtext.

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  8. The Z Blog says: • Website

    What I don’t get is why they had to go to South Africa for a Leibowitz. There has to be a hundreds of locals who can do exaggerated irony face to a low-IQ liberal audience. The guy on HBO is doing it with a British accent. There’s a black guy doing a blend of it and Bill Maher. I’m just not getting why they had to bring in a complete unknown from the other side of the globe.

    That said, the fact that he is South African is funny, given that Obama is about to declare Israel the new South Africa.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    What I don’t get is why they had to go to South Africa for a Leibowitz
     
    I don't know about a "Leibowitz", but South Africa is a good place to find a Lubowitz.
    , @Thagomizer
    He's half black, half white, and 1/4 jewish on his black mother's side. So he's arguable jewish, but also has Obama-esqe ancestry, and a pleasant accent.

    He hit the "diverse yet not diverse" mark that allowed the producers to feel self righteous yet unthreatened.
  9. I believe the circular firing squad is beginning to form out of the coalition of the fringes. That was fast, 24 hours after getting the gig, SPLINTER!!!!!

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    • Replies: @Jonathan Silber
    ...the circular firing squad is beginning to form...fast, 24 hours after getting the gig.

    To paraphrase Andy Warhol, in the future, everyone will be employed one day.
  10. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I don’t remember Hope being misogynous. If he had misogynous material, he might have been popular with young audiences. He wasn’t popular with young audiences because his material was so safe to the point of being corny and lame.

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    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    I think Hope was seen as misogynous because he had a white gentile penis - like Haven Monahan.
    , @Larry, San Francisco
    Did you ever see the Road to Morocco? One of the scenes has Hope cruelly insulting a woman for being ugly (she was reasonably attractive just not Dorothy Lamour). Although the movie is pretty good I found that scene to be painful to watch. I would guess that is not the only instance of him being nasty to women.
  11. Noah has a special on HBO or Showtime – if you’ve got Comcast it’s probably still available on demand. His routine does have some funny bits. Some of his stuff on american negroes is good, he mocks them for thinking they should “go home” to Africa and does solid impressions of their ghetto walk and speech. He’s definitely not PC though and being a real african won’t get him a pass as shown by the critiques above. Still, the audience for his special was mostly SWPL’s and maybe 25% elite negroes who seemed to be ok with it. I spent a lot of time distracted by pondering what the hell has gone so wrong with a Swiss man that he’d move to Africa and marry a Bantu.

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    • Replies: @Twinkie

    a Swiss man that he’d move to Africa and marry a Bantu.
     
    Supposedly his mother is half-Jewish (and half Xhosa), so Noah is only quarter black.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    I saw it. I remember laughing, though I can't recall any of the bits now. I think part of the effect was his exotic background: a black guy who sounds like an erudite white guy. Sort of like a younger Obama in his speaking-to-whites mode, but with a South African accent.

    A much funnier young black comedian is Jerrod Carmichael. See his HBO special.
  12. Although I love the irony of Comedy Central replacing the Jewish host of the Daily Show with an anti-Semitic one, otherwise it seems like the most bizarre choice ever. If they wanted to go the affirmative action route and hire a Person of Color, why not get an American comedian who might actually have some basis to understand the American political scene that you’re expected to talk about 5 nights a week?

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    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    Right because American blacks understand the Jewish thing very well. As do the rappers Trevor talked about.
    , @iSteveFan

    Although I love the irony of Comedy Central replacing the Jewish host of the Daily Show with an anti-Semitic one,
     
    Noah is actually part Jewish.
    , @Anononononymous
    Might partly be influenced by the success of that John Oliver guy.
  13. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factor"] says:

    Abe Foxman is a walking and talking ‘antisemitic’ joke.

    He’s like that fat guy in JURASSIC PARK.

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  14. Perhaps the powers that be would have been happier if they’d hired Don Rickles? (I guess he’s too old though…but that would have made it even funnier if they had.)

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  15. Mr Foxman of course says,

    “And we hope that he and Comedy Central will make a conscious effort to ensure that ‘The Daily Show’ remains funny and irreverent without trafficking in bigoted jokes at the expense of Jews, other minorities and women.”

    So we can assume that he thinks trafficking in bigoted jokes at the expense of white gentile men is just fine. Of course he does.

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  16. “So reassured, he went on making fun of black people until a blue collar white stagehand laughed in a really not-meta fashion at one of his jokes about black people, at which point he realized his white handlers had been lying to him, he had a mental breakdown, and walked out on his $25 million per year contract.”

    I don’t think anyone but Dave Chappelle knows why he quit. Wikipedia does it’s dance with politically incorrect topics, but it claims that he just got burnt out. He did berate an audience at a comedy club for yelling out “I’m Rick James, Bitch!”, so he obviously wasn’t dealing with the situation well at all.

    He runs off to South Africa and then after a while moved to a 78% White 12% Black farm town in Yellow Springs, Ohio. Apparently he still does standup, but hasn’t done any specials for TV since 2006.

    I liked the Chappelle show for what it was. The Rick James sketch was pretty brilliant and the last episode he filmed that had him being so rich that he was eating dinosaur eggs was pretty funny.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    I wondered if he just felt he couldn't live up to the high bar he set with the show up to that point. Maybe that's all he had in him. As for his standup, I think history just shot past him. Think of all his jokes about a hypothetical black president.
  17. Joe Walker says: • Website

    He should probably offer an apology

    Is this code for giving money to the ADL?

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  18. @Anonymous
    I've never heard of the guy. I'm surprised they got a guy nobody in the US has heard of as the new host.

    It's also remarkable just how much intellectual attention and energy is expended by media people scrutinizing and psychoanalyzing these tweets.

    Also, they’re tweets he sent out for free, not professionally crafted jokes he charges money to tell.

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    • Replies: @Whiskey
    Steve Martin spends hous crafting each joke on Twitter. Its advertising.
  19. Joe Walker says: • Website

    Because insight, something that a program like The Daily Show prides itself on offering, doesn’t jibe with perpetuating racism or sexism, which are, at core, stupid belief systems

    I guess the smart, non-racist, non-sexist thing to do is to make fun of white Christian socially conservative heterosexuals, particularly if they are born male.

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  20. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    I don't remember Hope being misogynous. If he had misogynous material, he might have been popular with young audiences. He wasn't popular with young audiences because his material was so safe to the point of being corny and lame.

    I think Hope was seen as misogynous because he had a white gentile penis – like Haven Monahan.

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  21. Bugg says:

    Frankly assumed Richards was Jewish-wiki (which can be wrong)-

    “Richards was born in Culver City, California, the son of Phyllis (née Nardozzi), a medical records librarian, and William Richards, an electrical engineer.[6] His father died in a car crash when Michael was two and his mother never remarried.”

    The point stands. He does standup, standup guys deal with hecklers all the time, moreso the smaller the audience. In a perfect world any comedian should be allowed to joke about anything. And we all have the right not to watch nor buy tickets.

    Viacom had to go all the way to Africa to find a black guy to replace Lebowitz. That could be the biggest joke in this whole mess.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Well, you were wrong about Richards' background: http://ethnicelebs.com/michael-richards

    Maybe you are wrong about some other things too?
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "Viacom had to go all the way to Africa to find a black guy to replace Lebowitz. That could be the biggest joke in this whole mess."

    Trevor Noah is the Barack Obama of stand-up ie., he acts/talks White, he IS half-White, and he'd probably rather be having sex with other dudes.
  22. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Yeah, right … Did anybody watch the last four years of Fey’s 30 Rock?

    Steve:

    For those of your readers who don’t watch television, could you explain this comment?

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Why don't you watch the show? Chances are, you will enjoy it.

    If you haven't watched 30 Rock or read Bonfire of the Vanities, do both and then come back happy.
  23. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I read somewhere that Trevor Noah is like a quarter jewish himself? True?

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    • Replies: @notsaying
    There's a quote from Trevor Noah to that effect on Wikipedia. He says his mother's half Jewish. I wonder if that was a serious comment or a joke, though.

    I was wondering if Noah was really his last name -- it doesn't sound German to me -- but evidently his father's name was Robert Noah.
  24. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen
    Michael Richards isn't Jewish. And he is a much better comic actor than comedian. He got in trouble during that standup incident because he wasn't joking -- he got angry at black hecklers who had gotten under his skin. If he had made a funny joke about blacks at that point, he wouldn't have gotten in so much trouble.

    I think Michael Richards has Jewish ancestry.

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  25. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @SemiProblematic
    Bob Hope was making jokes that the backed the establishment view. Hamblin and Kornhaber want comics to do the same thing for the current SJW establishment but I guess pretend that it's still anti-establishment comedy or something.

    In other words they want someone who isn’t afraid to speak truth to Haven Monahan.

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    • Replies: @TSTCLRFRTTDE
    "Speak Truth To Haven"

    Now there's a subversive crypto-slogan I can get behind!
  26. Bert says:

    PC totalitarianism is a privilege that only rich Westerners can afford to indulge in. Poor countries like South Africa don’t have that luxury.

    I recall a couple of years ago an Afrikaner man who worked as an air traffic controller at Johannesburg International was caught on the loudspeaker calling an African worker a “Kaffir”. Not only did he not lose his job but the black workers at the airport didn’t even pretend that they cared.

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    • Replies: @Twinkie

    an Afrikaner man who worked as an air traffic controller at Johannesburg International was caught on the loudspeaker calling an African worker a “Kaffir”. Not only did he not lose his job but the black workers at the airport didn’t even pretend that they cared.
     
    Trevor Noah did a roast of Steve Hofmeyr who had that "kaffir" controversy in South Africa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Hofmeyr

    And the roast: https://youtu.be/pJSlk5WtiBg
  27. Hal says:

    The Daily Show is funny? Who knew?

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    Yeah, Jon Liebowitz was pretty effing funny. Colbert's Bill O'Reilly act got old after a year, but Stewart was often hilarious. Not that I often agreed with his politics; I think Ted Cruz is a left wing pinko. But you can be a flaming leftist and still be funny. You could also be a Nazi or Kluxer and be hilarious. But you can't be a modern "conservative" and be funny. That's because guys like Stewart are right - most of conservatives' complaints and and general unease about politics, America, and life in general, are really about race. But conservatives can't admit that, and can't even talk frankly about race at all. So they ignore the elephant in the room, and pretend that they're being brave and profound by saying "liberals are the real racists" over and over. Go watch Steven Crowder's video about Detroit where he tours the ruins and explains how the richest city in America turned into one of the nastiest cities in America. How could such a thing happen? Easy, Crowder explained - the teacher's unions and the UAW were greedy, and the city had been run by Democrats for decades. That's all there was to it. And this guy is considered by many to be the top conservative comedian in the country.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hhJ_49leBw

    Leftists like Jon Stewart have no such qualms. They hate white gentile heterosexuals, at least the ones in flyover country, and are quite open about their hatred, and it's often hilarious to watch them point out the racial factors that are really driving much of conservatism. But conservatives have to pretend that race has absolutely nothing to do with anything at all, so their "humor" isn't funny, because they're being dishonest, and everyone knows they're being dishonest. They themselves know it, the liberals know it, and except for the completely brain-dead Fox News zombies, so does the average conservative.

    But I don't think Noah and Wilmore will last very long. They're not going to be nearly as funny as Stewart, or even Colbert. From the clips I've seen, Wilmore just keeps hammering white guilt, without much humor. The SWPLs will watch for a while, to prove they're not racist, but they won't keep watching for long if it doesn't get a lot funnier than it is now. I see no reason to think Noah will be much different. I'll be very surprised if either one of them is still hosting a couple years from now.
  28. @Mike Street Station
    Although I love the irony of Comedy Central replacing the Jewish host of the Daily Show with an anti-Semitic one, otherwise it seems like the most bizarre choice ever. If they wanted to go the affirmative action route and hire a Person of Color, why not get an American comedian who might actually have some basis to understand the American political scene that you're expected to talk about 5 nights a week?

    Right because American blacks understand the Jewish thing very well. As do the rappers Trevor talked about.

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  29. Orthodox says:

    I’m going to pitch a new comedy show. It’s about a gentile comedian who makes lots of off color jokes, but he has a Jewish PR/attorney who always gets him out of trouble. The show’s catch phrase is, “Oh goy, you’ve really done it this time!”

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  30. […] Average Joe In the United States, it is alright for Jews to make fun of gentiles but gentiles must never make fun of Jews. […]

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  31. A little detective work! Who gives a hill of beans?

    “No one is spared Capp’s merciless satire in “The Case of the Poisoned Beans”—from the venality of the justice system to the crookedness of a complicit media (which refuses to air public safety warnings for fear of offending its sponsor, Old Faithful Beans); from the corruption of big business to the fickleness and stupidity of a complacent public. The diabolical plot, which concerns urban terrorism and product tampering, presaged the 1982 Tylenol case by more than 30 years. “Capp makes Fosdick’s police brutality acceptable, even funny, because Fosdick acts out of misguided goodness. He is, like Abner, an innocent,” wrote Max Allan Collins in 1990. He’s also a victim of the system himself. According to Capp, “Fosdick is underpaid only in terms of money. His superiors and his community are lavish with things worth more than money, such as hollow praise and chances to risk his life.” Capp dedicated a book of reprinted Fosdick continuities to “all underpaid cops, because there are no other kind.””

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fearless_Fosdick

    “I’m no good at being noble, but it doesn’t take much to see that the problems of three little people don’t amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world. Someday you’ll understand that.” Rick

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  32. AKAHorace says:

    From what I read he is getting more flak for making fun of African Americans than Jews. Don’t know the states well, but there seems to be an unspoken assumption that making the US browner will make it more African American friendly. Not sure that anyone white has the nerve to explain to African Americans that this actually may not happen, they may have to relinquish their position as Americas official racial minority.

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  33. Cracker says:

    “Oh yeah the weekend. People are gonna get drunk & think that I’m sexy!” a quote that he attributes to “fat chicks everywhere.”

    Bros that know bros…

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  34. Noah172 says:

    Two possibilities:

    This comic becomes a complete PC pussy to save his career. Don’t know what that means for ratings: Stewart’s audience is PC liberal, but they want to laugh. If he can’t hold a Stewart-sized audience he’ll be gone, and the story will be he failed because of his awful awful anti-Semitism blahblahblah.

    He continues to say what he feels like saying and the Jews destroy him. Being a person of color (not really) didn’t save Rick Sanchez; it won’t save this mulatto foreigner who doesn’t have a big enough American following to be too valuable to dismiss summarily.

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  35. @The Z Blog
    What I don't get is why they had to go to South Africa for a Leibowitz. There has to be a hundreds of locals who can do exaggerated irony face to a low-IQ liberal audience. The guy on HBO is doing it with a British accent. There's a black guy doing a blend of it and Bill Maher. I'm just not getting why they had to bring in a complete unknown from the other side of the globe.

    That said, the fact that he is South African is funny, given that Obama is about to declare Israel the new South Africa.

    What I don’t get is why they had to go to South Africa for a Leibowitz

    I don’t know about a “Leibowitz”, but South Africa is a good place to find a Lubowitz.

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  36. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Seems to be something of an admission that shows like that aren’t just for laughs only but serves up “news” and “shapes perceptions”. It’s to transmit messages as well as jokes, part of the full-spectrum propaganda environment. They might have an unreliable person here, they worry. He’ll probably get a briefing as to what American culture is like and be told to go easy on certain subjects. This is his big chance, he’ll probably avoid blowing it; if not, goodbye.

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  37. chappelle’s Tyrone biggums routines soon became my absolute faves after moving to uptown

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  38. unit472 says:

    Noah is a very talented mimic with a great facility for ethnic accents. Of course, his humor is all racial/ethnic because of his background and he is only becoming aware that, to the left, humor is only funny if it is aimed at the ‘correct’ targets otherwise it becomes ‘hate speech’. I wish him well but the ‘Daily Show’ is not stand up comedy. It is topical interviews with American politicians and celebrities he is not familiar with.

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  39. SPmoore8 says:

    The problem with the POV of Hamblin and Kornhaber is that most standup or one-line humor is based on some agreed upon base of things or persons that you can disparage. “Can” disparage, not necessarily “hate”.

    But of course we are at the point where disparagement means hurting people so they have to run off to safe spaces and play with stuffed animals and watch cat videos, so, if you say something that others might find funny, you will also hurt someone’s feelings. OMG!

    Therefore you cannot make jokes about fat women, or horny guys, or horny women, or dumb blacks, or clumsy people of any race, or gays, or in particular pretentious gays, or TG’s, or use ethnic stereotypes: Jews/Israel/Money, Italians/Mafia, Irish/drunks, Germans/Nazis, etc. etc. But: you can make jokes about those “ugly” “climate change deniers” (just read Hamblin’s quote!) or religious people who just might have a problem photographing a gay wedding or baking a cake for gay wedding.

    Problem is, “humor” about climate change skeptics or people who don’t want LGBT’s in their face is not humor at all, it’s lectures about tolerance.

    So much for the laughs, I guess.

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  40. @Anonymous
    I've never heard of the guy. I'm surprised they got a guy nobody in the US has heard of as the new host.

    It's also remarkable just how much intellectual attention and energy is expended by media people scrutinizing and psychoanalyzing these tweets.

    Trevor Noah has sent out 8,823 tweets.

    https://twitter.com/trevornoah

    Apparently those were his most offensive.

    His comments about fat women might offend modern sensibilities, but his joke about Israel seems hardly noteworthy. I suppose Israeli domination of the media has become so extreme that even minor critique of Israeli foreign policy may not be permissible. There was a time, as recently as about 10-15 years ago, when you did see a few public figures (Robert Novak, Tucker Carlson, Alan Colmes) mildly critique Israel.

    The reason so much attention and intellectual energy is being spent on this topic is because it’s important to shape the narrative. Let the public know that anyone who deviates from the ruling party script is in danger of being excommunicated. That fear keeps people in line.

    Especially in today’s age, nothing is more important than controlling the media/entertainment discourse. Tv, radio, and movies have tremendous influence over the public.

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  41. iSteveFan says:
    @Mike Street Station
    Although I love the irony of Comedy Central replacing the Jewish host of the Daily Show with an anti-Semitic one, otherwise it seems like the most bizarre choice ever. If they wanted to go the affirmative action route and hire a Person of Color, why not get an American comedian who might actually have some basis to understand the American political scene that you're expected to talk about 5 nights a week?

    Although I love the irony of Comedy Central replacing the Jewish host of the Daily Show with an anti-Semitic one,

    Noah is actually part Jewish.

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    Noah is actually part Jewish.
     
    Are you sure? The Wiki link says that his black mom is half Jewish. That sounds odd. Maybe he's just trying to get Comedian cred
  42. H2 says:

    I’m curious what the ratings of the Daily Show will be like. I’m sure there will be some spike at the beginning to check out the new host, but after that who knows?

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    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    I've looked at some of his stand-up, some of his tweets, and his TDS appearances. He is not funny. He will last only through the first year.
  43. iSteveFan says:

    Mr. Weinstein wrote that this was a potentially dangerous attitude for a new host of “The Daily Show,” adding: “Many young people don’t watch ‘The Daily Show’ just to laugh — they watch the show to get their news. The show shapes perceptions.”

    If he is just figuring this out now, it is no wonder he and the rest of the conservatives have missed the boat. Apparently Stewart making conservatives look bad over the past 15 years didn’t catch their attention.

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  44. Danindc says:

    Two unfunny comedic analysts parsing an unfunny comedian’s tweets. As a guy who loves good comedy this is depressing as hell. There’s not much being made right now that’s makes me laugh. The few that do – Colin Quinn’s twitter feed (I used to think Norm Macdonald was king but I think he suffered a traumatic brain injury), Last Man on Earth (although this week was not great), Sailer occasionally, David Spade’s stand up, re-watching MacGruber, and my dog. That’s it, that’s the list.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Comedy Central should bring back Tough Crowd w/ Colin Quinn.
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    That David Spade standup thing he did for Comedy Central several months back was funny as hell. Almost as good as his Take the Hit act from HBO back in the 90s. He's an underrated standup, imo.
  45. notsaying says:

    Reading this made me think of all the talk about freedom of speech — no matter what — after the Charlie Hebdo attacks in Paris.

    It seems to me that not all that many people really practice complete freedom of taking on and insulting all groups. I felt really stupid that day I realized that Howard Stern didn’t specifically target Jewish people and white men as such — the very things he was!

    Meanwhile he had no problem targeting many other groups, over and over again and humiliating many dim people who were easy to kick around.

    It’s funny — or not — how all of these things work out. And of course there are the people who would say a lot more than they do but they leave the “sacred cows” alone because they want to keep working.

    I think we have gotten better at not picking on defenseless people who shouldn’t be picked on such as mentally retarded. That’s a good thing.

    All things considered I think most people are a lot better at dishing things out than taking them.

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    . I felt really stupid that day I realized that Howard Stern didn’t specifically target Jewish people and white men as such — the very things he was!

    I haven't listened to him since he went to satellite, but he made fun of Jews on his broadcast radio show. When a worked-up Jewish caller called to
    argue about Israel or something, Howard played the main theme to Exodus over him ( http://youtu.be/wEPZ1ef2g_A ). That was pretty funny.
  46. EriK says:

    “On Twitter, where he has had an account since 2009 and accumulated more than two million followers”

    I demand a recount.

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  47. indigene says:

    The last seasons of 30 Rock may have sucked, but Unbreakable Kimmie Schmidt is actually pretty good, and it’s impressively right in the strike-zone of that titillating-but-never-quite-offensive “talking about identity in original ways” thing. Or whatever the right metaphor is.

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  48. donut says:
    @SemiProblematic
    Bob Hope was making jokes that the backed the establishment view. Hamblin and Kornhaber want comics to do the same thing for the current SJW establishment but I guess pretend that it's still anti-establishment comedy or something.

    I don’t have cable so no tv . What ever I see of these new comics is on Netflix or youtube . A lot of these comedians get advertised as un PC but within the first minute of opening their traps they make sure everyone understands that they hold all the established PC views and no one is going to be offended except the permitted targets . I guess making jokes about racists (white racists that is) and all the other favorite targets of that crowd is considered daring but I just considered it lame . Family friendly humor really if you’re a member of b**tf**k nation . Bill Burr can come close ,sometimes he will crack on women and some of the other sacred cows of PC but he knows better than to invite a twitter storm . Who can blame him . It’s a shame because the whole PC SJW homo twitter mob hysteria phenomena would be such an endless source of comedy material . I suppose the best comedy today is never heard by more than two or three people at a time .
    I liked Dave Chappelle and I used to be a fan of Chris Rock before he went to Hollywood and turned into Eddie Murphy doing movies you can take your kids to if you’re unfortunate enough to have any . Chappelle did comedy about black people because it’s the subject he knows and he could be great sometimes , the Rick James skits were comedy gold but my favorite was the Wayne Brady one :

    I guess if you want some unPC laughs today you’ll have to go to The Smoking Gun

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  49. Twinkie says:
    @Stan D Mute
    Noah has a special on HBO or Showtime - if you've got Comcast it's probably still available on demand. His routine does have some funny bits. Some of his stuff on american negroes is good, he mocks them for thinking they should "go home" to Africa and does solid impressions of their ghetto walk and speech. He's definitely not PC though and being a real african won't get him a pass as shown by the critiques above. Still, the audience for his special was mostly SWPL's and maybe 25% elite negroes who seemed to be ok with it. I spent a lot of time distracted by pondering what the hell has gone so wrong with a Swiss man that he'd move to Africa and marry a Bantu.

    a Swiss man that he’d move to Africa and marry a Bantu.

    Supposedly his mother is half-Jewish (and half Xhosa), so Noah is only quarter black.

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  50. Twinkie says:

    Black woman: “It’s awesome that a brother took over the Daily Show, but he shouldn’t make fun of American blacks.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/03/31/yes-the-new-daily-show-host-is-black-and-hes-spent-his-career-making-fun-of-african-americans/

    And I’ve known some real black Africans and most of them find American black culture incomprehensible and contemptible.

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  51. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I’m shocked that TV is all about shaping perceptions. Soft-patter jive intended to reshape the basis of assumptions away from reality… It is much easier than thinking, though, so I guess it’s all good, just go with the flow, you’ll be safe. I hear they wouldn’t put it on TV if it wasn’t true. Or is it that they only put it on TV if it isn’t true?

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  52. Funny no one has mentioned the much-beloved Howard Stern, who could get bent out of shape because some blonde bimbo he was objectifying told him he had a face that was smacked by a yarmulke but the next day make the observation that Soon Yi Previn had a face like a catcher’s mitt. I wonder what the reaction of the left might have been if one of the blue collar comedy guys made a joke analogous to the jewish kid gets hit by the German car tweet but rather the subject was a black boy, rope, and lynching. I wish we could record the happenings in a parallel universe in which we actually could prove to people how their reactions to X, Y, or Z would be different depending on whose ox was gored. But many on the left actually defend the double standard under the “punching up vs. punching down” marxist theory of comedy.

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    Stern is so dm thin skinned. He tried to get Andy Dick banned from entertainment after he called him a hook-nosed Jew. Stern of all people. Come to think of it - haven't heard much from Andy Dick lately.
  53. @Bugg
    Michael Richards, a Jewish comedian who was arguably the funniest part of the best sitcom ever, was also "only joking".

    The ADL actually came out at the time with a statement that Michael Richards was NOT jewish. So helpful.

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  54. asdf says:

    Yeah, don’t make fun of the little guy. And, just remember that Israel is always the little guy, ok?

    Funny how this happened right after your Ronson post. How timely. Be nice on twitter, or else.

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  55. @Dave Pinsen
    Michael Richards isn't Jewish. And he is a much better comic actor than comedian. He got in trouble during that standup incident because he wasn't joking -- he got angry at black hecklers who had gotten under his skin. If he had made a funny joke about blacks at that point, he wouldn't have gotten in so much trouble.

    When I first heard Richards, I thought he could have made a plausible argument that he was being ironic, which it sounded to me like he was. It was weird how he was yelling the word. It didn’t sound like he was saying meanly, in my opinion.

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    He's not a talented enough comedian to improvise a joke about lynching. Maybe no one is. He lost his cool.

    He would have been better off using a variation of Amy Schumer's tack here ("This isn't a Tyler Perry movie, do you know that?")

    http://youtu.be/l1ufqh6xoyY
    , @Trayvon Zimmerman
    Richards was hilarious as Kramer, but he's a horrible standup. Not at all funny. He was bombing that night, as he always did. (If you google around, you'll find plenty of first hand accounts of how bad he was at standup.) He had already lost the the interest of most of the audience, and the loud blacks in the audience were even more disruptive, threatening to turn it into a complete fiasco. So he decided to get "edgy", and it didn't work out quite the way he'd hoped.

    There are also many accounts of him being a real creep in person. When Seinfeld had those episodes about Jerry and George writing a show and getting it on NBC, the guy who played the part of Kramer in the show inside the show (Larry Hankin) was weird and hostile when shown backstage just being himself. Supposedly this was an inside joke by the Seinfeld writers about how Michael Richards behaved when the cameras were off.
  56. Jim says:

    South African audiences are not particularly smart. Their sense of humour isn’t meta or complex or self-deprecating-they just find accents and racial stereotypes funny, so you won’t get much else from the comedy scene there.

    Trevor Noah gave his South African audience what it wanted and now that he’s moved to the U.S. I’m sure his true comedic talent (backed by a team of writers) will shine through.

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    • Replies: @5371
    And Saturday Night Live etc. are meta, complex, self-deprecating - yeah right.
  57. BubbaJoe says:
    @Anonymous
    I've never heard of the guy. I'm surprised they got a guy nobody in the US has heard of as the new host.

    It's also remarkable just how much intellectual attention and energy is expended by media people scrutinizing and psychoanalyzing these tweets.

    “It’s also remarkable just how much intellectual attention and energy is expended by media people scrutinizing and psychoanalyzing these tweets.”

    Makes sense though. If you believe culture determines everything, and ‘culture’ is malleable, the only way to see the change you wish for is to control it completely. The slightest deviation can derail [another annoying buzz word] attempts at such change. And the only way you can convince people to adhere to such rigidity is to believe yourself that allowing said deviations will, if you really think about it, lead inexorably to female manumission. If a joke (an accurate one at that) about large women is let slide, the next thing you know women everywhere will be losing the right to vote and own property. This is crazy, but within their intellectual framework, it’s logical.

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    Unless I'm not getting something, you're using "manumission" incorrectly. Manumission: formal emancipation from slavery.
  58. @The Z Blog
    What I don't get is why they had to go to South Africa for a Leibowitz. There has to be a hundreds of locals who can do exaggerated irony face to a low-IQ liberal audience. The guy on HBO is doing it with a British accent. There's a black guy doing a blend of it and Bill Maher. I'm just not getting why they had to bring in a complete unknown from the other side of the globe.

    That said, the fact that he is South African is funny, given that Obama is about to declare Israel the new South Africa.

    He’s half black, half white, and 1/4 jewish on his black mother’s side. So he’s arguable jewish, but also has Obama-esqe ancestry, and a pleasant accent.

    He hit the “diverse yet not diverse” mark that allowed the producers to feel self righteous yet unthreatened.

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    I appreciate that, but they could have found a one-legged transvestite in their own backyard, one with a track record of pleasing the arfing seals and no history of apostasy. But, it suggests that anti-racism/anti-white male has become a psychosis. They were not looking for a guy who could tell jokes to their tiny audience of middle-aged Manhattanites. They wanted to find the most exotic weirdo furthest down the weirdo spectrum from the dreaded pale penis people.
  59. Abe says: • Website

    Is Trevor Noah gay? Back in the day people thought George Michael was some kind of lady-killin’ superstud, but in retrospect it was obvious he was as flaming as a Roman candle. On one song from FAITH he taunts a woman for having “2 fat children”. Isn’t that odd? If a normal straight man were to paint a picture of a bad mother, wouldn’t he instead claim that she didn’t feed her children enough, that they were scrawny instead of fat?

    What kind of straight male thinks enough about women getting fat to make an entire routine out of it? Outside of their own girlfriends or wives, straight men try to think about fat chicks as little as possible, as they are viscerally disgusting to them. Noah’s bitchy, catty “anti-women” jokes make him sound a bit like Mr. Blackwell ridiculing starlets for their fashion mistakes.

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  60. anowow says:

    Take away their profiles and keep the comments and you’d couldn’t tell if these Atlantic writers were guys. Androgynous scolds own the future.

    Watching Foxman et al squirm is great. Expect more of this as America goes browner. Foxman can look on the bright side, somebody like Noah is great for fear-based fundraising.

    For all the put downs on Noah, what about George Lopez? His stuff is consistently crappy, but his targets don’t make his humor “dangerous.”

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  61. dravid says:

    Jews are such hypocrites. Sarah Silverman has made many racist jokes.

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  62. I wish the guy well. I’m sure he’s happy to have the Sailerites behind him.

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  63. SnakeEyes says:

    You can detect the nervousness of the Atlantic staffers. They recognize that the Daily Show is not just a comedy show but is a tool for indoctrinating young viewers (as noted by Jamie Weinstein) and they do not want to lose control of that. They are worried that this unknown South African dude might not be on their team. Hence they urge him and the Daily Show to “try harder” and “be better in the future”; i.e., get with the program, African guy.

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    I'm sure he has already been told quite directly in no uncertain terms: Layoff jews, gays and women or you're gone.
  64. @Anonymous
    I don't remember Hope being misogynous. If he had misogynous material, he might have been popular with young audiences. He wasn't popular with young audiences because his material was so safe to the point of being corny and lame.

    Did you ever see the Road to Morocco? One of the scenes has Hope cruelly insulting a woman for being ugly (she was reasonably attractive just not Dorothy Lamour). Although the movie is pretty good I found that scene to be painful to watch. I would guess that is not the only instance of him being nasty to women.

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    • Replies: @NorthOfTheOneOhOne
    Yeah, but that schtick was common as dirt back in the 40's and 50's.

    Heck, go watch some Sanford & Son reruns, Redd Foxx and LaWanda Page did it nearly every episode.
  65. “As for Chappelle, he started out making fun of black people for black audiences because that’s what blacks find funny — blacks. Then he transferred his act to national audiences on TV, and a bunch of white facilitators assured him that white people were only laughing at his jokes about black people in a meta-fashion, they were laughing at white stereotypes about blacks, or something. So reassured, he went on making fun of black people until a blue collar white stagehand laughed in a really not-meta fashion at one of his jokes about black people, at which point he realized his white handlers had been lying to him, he had a mental breakdown, and walked out on his $25 million per year contract.”

    Here’s the thing. The quintessential show, where blacks lampooned a lot of what went on in black neighborhoods, remains Sanford and Son. Paul Mooney, one of Chappelle’s main writers for his show, started out writing for Sanford and Son, as did Richard Pryor. Redd Foxx didn’t mind one way or the other if white audiences laughed at his show or not (and they did, since the show was a big ratings winner for several seasons), just so long as the checks cleared.

    And there’s the difference between Chapelle and Foxx. Redd Foxx came from total poverty in St. Louis, spent time in prison, actually got to know Malcolm X in jail, and finally hit the big time later in life after decades of doing standup and underground party tapes. Middle class born Chapelle had a fairly easy life compared to Redd Foxx. Oooh, he got depressed. Really? Seriously? And left 25 million on the table.

    In the words of Fred Sanford “YOU BIG DUMMY!”

    In this vein, Redd Foxx would’ve been the ideal replacement for Jon Stewart.

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    There's a hilarious anecdote about Redd Foxx and S and S. At one point he started getting racially conscious and told the producers to fire all the joke writers and hire only blacks. After a few weeks of declining ratings, he told his producers: Get rid of these motherfuckers and get me some jews!
    , @Untermenschen
    Jon Sanford and Malcolm Little met in Harlem in the forties, both were petty criminals.
  66. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Nathan Wartooth
    "So reassured, he went on making fun of black people until a blue collar white stagehand laughed in a really not-meta fashion at one of his jokes about black people, at which point he realized his white handlers had been lying to him, he had a mental breakdown, and walked out on his $25 million per year contract."

    I don't think anyone but Dave Chappelle knows why he quit. Wikipedia does it's dance with politically incorrect topics, but it claims that he just got burnt out. He did berate an audience at a comedy club for yelling out "I'm Rick James, Bitch!", so he obviously wasn't dealing with the situation well at all.

    He runs off to South Africa and then after a while moved to a 78% White 12% Black farm town in Yellow Springs, Ohio. Apparently he still does standup, but hasn't done any specials for TV since 2006.

    I liked the Chappelle show for what it was. The Rick James sketch was pretty brilliant and the last episode he filmed that had him being so rich that he was eating dinosaur eggs was pretty funny.

    I wondered if he just felt he couldn’t live up to the high bar he set with the show up to that point. Maybe that’s all he had in him. As for his standup, I think history just shot past him. Think of all his jokes about a hypothetical black president.

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  67. Mr. Anon says:

    “AKAHorace says:

    From what I read he is getting more flak for making fun of African Americans than Jews. ”

    Yeah, sure he is.

    If the offensive tweets were representative samples of his humor, I’d have to say he’s not funny (not offensive – just not funny). But then Stewart wasn’t funny either. Incidentally, if this new guy were to say things about Jews that Stewart himself had said, he would be deemed anti-semitic, but that’s no real surprise.

    “Mr. Weinstein wrote that this was a potentially dangerous attitude for a new host of “The Daily Show,” adding: “Many young people don’t watch ‘The Daily Show’ just to laugh — they watch the show to get their news. The show shapes perceptions.””

    Yes, that’s a large part of the problem. The Daily Show leads snarky, ignorant youngsters to think that they know things that they don’t.

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    “Mr. Weinstein wrote that this was a potentially dangerous attitude for a new host of “The Daily Show,” adding: “Many young people don’t watch ‘The Daily Show’ just to laugh — they watch the show to get their news. The show shapes perceptions.””

    Google some of Noahs stand up comedy. American young people will actually get a bit of an education from this guy. Open minded (says that he is learning German, bu t has persistent problems as he sound like Hitler) and does not think that America is the centre of the world. What were they thinking of when they hired him ? he is great.
  68. @Mike Street Station
    Although I love the irony of Comedy Central replacing the Jewish host of the Daily Show with an anti-Semitic one, otherwise it seems like the most bizarre choice ever. If they wanted to go the affirmative action route and hire a Person of Color, why not get an American comedian who might actually have some basis to understand the American political scene that you're expected to talk about 5 nights a week?

    Might partly be influenced by the success of that John Oliver guy.

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  69. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Stan D Mute
    Noah has a special on HBO or Showtime - if you've got Comcast it's probably still available on demand. His routine does have some funny bits. Some of his stuff on american negroes is good, he mocks them for thinking they should "go home" to Africa and does solid impressions of their ghetto walk and speech. He's definitely not PC though and being a real african won't get him a pass as shown by the critiques above. Still, the audience for his special was mostly SWPL's and maybe 25% elite negroes who seemed to be ok with it. I spent a lot of time distracted by pondering what the hell has gone so wrong with a Swiss man that he'd move to Africa and marry a Bantu.

    I saw it. I remember laughing, though I can’t recall any of the bits now. I think part of the effect was his exotic background: a black guy who sounds like an erudite white guy. Sort of like a younger Obama in his speaking-to-whites mode, but with a South African accent.

    A much funnier young black comedian is Jerrod Carmichael. See his HBO special.

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  70. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Bugg
    Frankly assumed Richards was Jewish-wiki (which can be wrong)-

    "Richards was born in Culver City, California, the son of Phyllis (née Nardozzi), a medical records librarian, and William Richards, an electrical engineer.[6] His father died in a car crash when Michael was two and his mother never remarried."


    The point stands. He does standup, standup guys deal with hecklers all the time, moreso the smaller the audience. In a perfect world any comedian should be allowed to joke about anything. And we all have the right not to watch nor buy tickets.

    Viacom had to go all the way to Africa to find a black guy to replace Lebowitz. That could be the biggest joke in this whole mess.

    Well, you were wrong about Richards’ background: http://ethnicelebs.com/michael-richards

    Maybe you are wrong about some other things too?

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  71. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    Yeah, right … Did anybody watch the last four years of Fey’s 30 Rock?

    Steve:

    For those of your readers who don't watch television, could you explain this comment?

    Why don’t you watch the show? Chances are, you will enjoy it.

    If you haven’t watched 30 Rock or read Bonfire of the Vanities, do both and then come back happy.

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  72. @SnakeEyes
    You can detect the nervousness of the Atlantic staffers. They recognize that the Daily Show is not just a comedy show but is a tool for indoctrinating young viewers (as noted by Jamie Weinstein) and they do not want to lose control of that. They are worried that this unknown South African dude might not be on their team. Hence they urge him and the Daily Show to "try harder" and "be better in the future"; i.e., get with the program, African guy.

    I’m sure he has already been told quite directly in no uncertain terms: Layoff jews, gays and women or you’re gone.

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  73. @H2
    I'm curious what the ratings of the Daily Show will be like. I'm sure there will be some spike at the beginning to check out the new host, but after that who knows?

    I’ve looked at some of his stand-up, some of his tweets, and his TDS appearances. He is not funny. He will last only through the first year.

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  74. Twinkie says:
    @Bert
    PC totalitarianism is a privilege that only rich Westerners can afford to indulge in. Poor countries like South Africa don't have that luxury.

    I recall a couple of years ago an Afrikaner man who worked as an air traffic controller at Johannesburg International was caught on the loudspeaker calling an African worker a "Kaffir". Not only did he not lose his job but the black workers at the airport didn't even pretend that they cared.

    an Afrikaner man who worked as an air traffic controller at Johannesburg International was caught on the loudspeaker calling an African worker a “Kaffir”. Not only did he not lose his job but the black workers at the airport didn’t even pretend that they cared.

    Trevor Noah did a roast of Steve Hofmeyr who had that “kaffir” controversy in South Africa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Hofmeyr

    And the roast: https://youtu.be/pJSlk5WtiBg

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  75. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Danindc
    Two unfunny comedic analysts parsing an unfunny comedian's tweets. As a guy who loves good comedy this is depressing as hell. There's not much being made right now that's makes me laugh. The few that do - Colin Quinn's twitter feed (I used to think Norm Macdonald was king but I think he suffered a traumatic brain injury), Last Man on Earth (although this week was not great), Sailer occasionally, David Spade's stand up, re-watching MacGruber, and my dog. That's it, that's the list.

    Comedy Central should bring back Tough Crowd w/ Colin Quinn.

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  76. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "As for Chappelle, he started out making fun of black people for black audiences because that’s what blacks find funny — blacks. Then he transferred his act to national audiences on TV, and a bunch of white facilitators assured him that white people were only laughing at his jokes about black people in a meta-fashion, they were laughing at white stereotypes about blacks, or something. So reassured, he went on making fun of black people until a blue collar white stagehand laughed in a really not-meta fashion at one of his jokes about black people, at which point he realized his white handlers had been lying to him, he had a mental breakdown, and walked out on his $25 million per year contract."

    Here's the thing. The quintessential show, where blacks lampooned a lot of what went on in black neighborhoods, remains Sanford and Son. Paul Mooney, one of Chappelle's main writers for his show, started out writing for Sanford and Son, as did Richard Pryor. Redd Foxx didn't mind one way or the other if white audiences laughed at his show or not (and they did, since the show was a big ratings winner for several seasons), just so long as the checks cleared.

    And there's the difference between Chapelle and Foxx. Redd Foxx came from total poverty in St. Louis, spent time in prison, actually got to know Malcolm X in jail, and finally hit the big time later in life after decades of doing standup and underground party tapes. Middle class born Chapelle had a fairly easy life compared to Redd Foxx. Oooh, he got depressed. Really? Seriously? And left 25 million on the table.

    In the words of Fred Sanford "YOU BIG DUMMY!"

    In this vein, Redd Foxx would've been the ideal replacement for Jon Stewart.

    There’s a hilarious anecdote about Redd Foxx and S and S. At one point he started getting racially conscious and told the producers to fire all the joke writers and hire only blacks. After a few weeks of declining ratings, he told his producers: Get rid of these motherfuckers and get me some jews!

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  77. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @notsaying
    Reading this made me think of all the talk about freedom of speech -- no matter what -- after the Charlie Hebdo attacks in Paris.

    It seems to me that not all that many people really practice complete freedom of taking on and insulting all groups. I felt really stupid that day I realized that Howard Stern didn't specifically target Jewish people and white men as such -- the very things he was!

    Meanwhile he had no problem targeting many other groups, over and over again and humiliating many dim people who were easy to kick around.

    It's funny -- or not -- how all of these things work out. And of course there are the people who would say a lot more than they do but they leave the "sacred cows" alone because they want to keep working.

    I think we have gotten better at not picking on defenseless people who shouldn't be picked on such as mentally retarded. That's a good thing.

    All things considered I think most people are a lot better at dishing things out than taking them.

    . I felt really stupid that day I realized that Howard Stern didn’t specifically target Jewish people and white men as such — the very things he was!

    I haven’t listened to him since he went to satellite, but he made fun of Jews on his broadcast radio show. When a worked-up Jewish caller called to
    argue about Israel or something, Howard played the main theme to Exodus over him ( http://youtu.be/wEPZ1ef2g_A ). That was pretty funny.

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    • Replies: @notsaying
    Sorry I missed that one, Dave.

    I haven't heard him in years either. He sure isn't the news like he used to be. I suppose he's still saying the same kind of things he did the last time we heard him.
  78. @Danindc
    Two unfunny comedic analysts parsing an unfunny comedian's tweets. As a guy who loves good comedy this is depressing as hell. There's not much being made right now that's makes me laugh. The few that do - Colin Quinn's twitter feed (I used to think Norm Macdonald was king but I think he suffered a traumatic brain injury), Last Man on Earth (although this week was not great), Sailer occasionally, David Spade's stand up, re-watching MacGruber, and my dog. That's it, that's the list.

    That David Spade standup thing he did for Comedy Central several months back was funny as hell. Almost as good as his Take the Hit act from HBO back in the 90s. He’s an underrated standup, imo.

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  79. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Malcolm X-Lax
    When I first heard Richards, I thought he could have made a plausible argument that he was being ironic, which it sounded to me like he was. It was weird how he was yelling the word. It didn't sound like he was saying meanly, in my opinion.

    He’s not a talented enough comedian to improvise a joke about lynching. Maybe no one is. He lost his cool.

    He would have been better off using a variation of Amy Schumer’s tack here (“This isn’t a Tyler Perry movie, do you know that?”)

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  80. @Malcolm X-Lax
    When I first heard Richards, I thought he could have made a plausible argument that he was being ironic, which it sounded to me like he was. It was weird how he was yelling the word. It didn't sound like he was saying meanly, in my opinion.

    Richards was hilarious as Kramer, but he’s a horrible standup. Not at all funny. He was bombing that night, as he always did. (If you google around, you’ll find plenty of first hand accounts of how bad he was at standup.) He had already lost the the interest of most of the audience, and the loud blacks in the audience were even more disruptive, threatening to turn it into a complete fiasco. So he decided to get “edgy”, and it didn’t work out quite the way he’d hoped.

    There are also many accounts of him being a real creep in person. When Seinfeld had those episodes about Jerry and George writing a show and getting it on NBC, the guy who played the part of Kramer in the show inside the show (Larry Hankin) was weird and hostile when shown backstage just being himself. Supposedly this was an inside joke by the Seinfeld writers about how Michael Richards behaved when the cameras were off.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "weird and hostile"

    The guy who plays Kramer?

    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    Yeah, I agree that Richards was a lousy standup (but brilliant as Kramer), I was just noting that the way he was intonating/enunciating the N word was not the way the word is usually spoken or shouted in anger. I know I'm not alone in this observation because I heard Dr. Drew Pinsky make the same point on the Adam Carolla Show.
  81. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    Also, they're tweets he sent out for free, not professionally crafted jokes he charges money to tell.

    Steve Martin spends hous crafting each joke on Twitter. Its advertising.

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  82. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "As for Chappelle, he started out making fun of black people for black audiences because that’s what blacks find funny — blacks. Then he transferred his act to national audiences on TV, and a bunch of white facilitators assured him that white people were only laughing at his jokes about black people in a meta-fashion, they were laughing at white stereotypes about blacks, or something. So reassured, he went on making fun of black people until a blue collar white stagehand laughed in a really not-meta fashion at one of his jokes about black people, at which point he realized his white handlers had been lying to him, he had a mental breakdown, and walked out on his $25 million per year contract."

    Here's the thing. The quintessential show, where blacks lampooned a lot of what went on in black neighborhoods, remains Sanford and Son. Paul Mooney, one of Chappelle's main writers for his show, started out writing for Sanford and Son, as did Richard Pryor. Redd Foxx didn't mind one way or the other if white audiences laughed at his show or not (and they did, since the show was a big ratings winner for several seasons), just so long as the checks cleared.

    And there's the difference between Chapelle and Foxx. Redd Foxx came from total poverty in St. Louis, spent time in prison, actually got to know Malcolm X in jail, and finally hit the big time later in life after decades of doing standup and underground party tapes. Middle class born Chapelle had a fairly easy life compared to Redd Foxx. Oooh, he got depressed. Really? Seriously? And left 25 million on the table.

    In the words of Fred Sanford "YOU BIG DUMMY!"

    In this vein, Redd Foxx would've been the ideal replacement for Jon Stewart.

    Jon Sanford and Malcolm Little met in Harlem in the forties, both were petty criminals.

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    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    That's right. Malcolm X mentions it in his "Autobiography." I think he said Foxx was called Chicago Red or something, at the time.
  83. @Trayvon Zimmerman
    Richards was hilarious as Kramer, but he's a horrible standup. Not at all funny. He was bombing that night, as he always did. (If you google around, you'll find plenty of first hand accounts of how bad he was at standup.) He had already lost the the interest of most of the audience, and the loud blacks in the audience were even more disruptive, threatening to turn it into a complete fiasco. So he decided to get "edgy", and it didn't work out quite the way he'd hoped.

    There are also many accounts of him being a real creep in person. When Seinfeld had those episodes about Jerry and George writing a show and getting it on NBC, the guy who played the part of Kramer in the show inside the show (Larry Hankin) was weird and hostile when shown backstage just being himself. Supposedly this was an inside joke by the Seinfeld writers about how Michael Richards behaved when the cameras were off.

    “weird and hostile”

    The guy who plays Kramer?

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    • Replies: @Trayvon Zimmerman
    Michael Richard definitely played Kramer as weird, but I wouldn't call the character hostile. He was funny, too, so that turned his "weird" into "quirky". But Larry Hankin played "the real Kramer" (off camera) as very dark and hateful, with no redeeming qualities.
  84. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    One thing I’ve noticed over the years is that lefties absolutely do not have a sense of humor. In fact, the harder the lefty, the more po-faced and miserable the individual.
    Previously groups such as Germans were calumnied with the charge of lacking a sense of humor, but lefties well and truly deserve that judgement.

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  85. 5371 says:
    @Abe
    Is Trevor Noah gay? Back in the day people thought George Michael was some kind of lady-killin' superstud, but in retrospect it was obvious he was as flaming as a Roman candle. On one song from FAITH he taunts a woman for having "2 fat children". Isn't that odd? If a normal straight man were to paint a picture of a bad mother, wouldn't he instead claim that she didn't feed her children enough, that they were scrawny instead of fat?

    What kind of straight male thinks enough about women getting fat to make an entire routine out of it? Outside of their own girlfriends or wives, straight men try to think about fat chicks as little as possible, as they are viscerally disgusting to them. Noah's bitchy, catty "anti-women" jokes make him sound a bit like Mr. Blackwell ridiculing starlets for their fashion mistakes.

    Noticing isn’t only racist, it’s gay.

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  86. @Untermenschen
    Jon Sanford and Malcolm Little met in Harlem in the forties, both were petty criminals.

    That’s right. Malcolm X mentions it in his “Autobiography.” I think he said Foxx was called Chicago Red or something, at the time.

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  87. @Trayvon Zimmerman
    Richards was hilarious as Kramer, but he's a horrible standup. Not at all funny. He was bombing that night, as he always did. (If you google around, you'll find plenty of first hand accounts of how bad he was at standup.) He had already lost the the interest of most of the audience, and the loud blacks in the audience were even more disruptive, threatening to turn it into a complete fiasco. So he decided to get "edgy", and it didn't work out quite the way he'd hoped.

    There are also many accounts of him being a real creep in person. When Seinfeld had those episodes about Jerry and George writing a show and getting it on NBC, the guy who played the part of Kramer in the show inside the show (Larry Hankin) was weird and hostile when shown backstage just being himself. Supposedly this was an inside joke by the Seinfeld writers about how Michael Richards behaved when the cameras were off.

    Yeah, I agree that Richards was a lousy standup (but brilliant as Kramer), I was just noting that the way he was intonating/enunciating the N word was not the way the word is usually spoken or shouted in anger. I know I’m not alone in this observation because I heard Dr. Drew Pinsky make the same point on the Adam Carolla Show.

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    I agree. He wasn't try to be racist, he was trying to be edgy.
  88. @Hal
    The Daily Show is funny? Who knew?

    Yeah, Jon Liebowitz was pretty effing funny. Colbert’s Bill O’Reilly act got old after a year, but Stewart was often hilarious. Not that I often agreed with his politics; I think Ted Cruz is a left wing pinko. But you can be a flaming leftist and still be funny. You could also be a Nazi or Kluxer and be hilarious. But you can’t be a modern “conservative” and be funny. That’s because guys like Stewart are right – most of conservatives’ complaints and and general unease about politics, America, and life in general, are really about race. But conservatives can’t admit that, and can’t even talk frankly about race at all. So they ignore the elephant in the room, and pretend that they’re being brave and profound by saying “liberals are the real racists” over and over. Go watch Steven Crowder’s video about Detroit where he tours the ruins and explains how the richest city in America turned into one of the nastiest cities in America. How could such a thing happen? Easy, Crowder explained – the teacher’s unions and the UAW were greedy, and the city had been run by Democrats for decades. That’s all there was to it. And this guy is considered by many to be the top conservative comedian in the country.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hhJ_49leBw

    Leftists like Jon Stewart have no such qualms. They hate white gentile heterosexuals, at least the ones in flyover country, and are quite open about their hatred, and it’s often hilarious to watch them point out the racial factors that are really driving much of conservatism. But conservatives have to pretend that race has absolutely nothing to do with anything at all, so their “humor” isn’t funny, because they’re being dishonest, and everyone knows they’re being dishonest. They themselves know it, the liberals know it, and except for the completely brain-dead Fox News zombies, so does the average conservative.

    But I don’t think Noah and Wilmore will last very long. They’re not going to be nearly as funny as Stewart, or even Colbert. From the clips I’ve seen, Wilmore just keeps hammering white guilt, without much humor. The SWPLs will watch for a while, to prove they’re not racist, but they won’t keep watching for long if it doesn’t get a lot funnier than it is now. I see no reason to think Noah will be much different. I’ll be very surprised if either one of them is still hosting a couple years from now.

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  89. @Steve Sailer
    "weird and hostile"

    The guy who plays Kramer?

    Michael Richard definitely played Kramer as weird, but I wouldn’t call the character hostile. He was funny, too, so that turned his “weird” into “quirky”. But Larry Hankin played “the real Kramer” (off camera) as very dark and hateful, with no redeeming qualities.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Lots of talented comedians are fairly hostile and/or bitter offstage. Being really nice and always looking at the bright side of life is less compatible with being extremely funny than having a hostile personality.

    For example, you know who was a really funny guy?

    Ivan the Terrible

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_the_Terrible#Epistles

  90. @Trayvon Zimmerman
    Michael Richard definitely played Kramer as weird, but I wouldn't call the character hostile. He was funny, too, so that turned his "weird" into "quirky". But Larry Hankin played "the real Kramer" (off camera) as very dark and hateful, with no redeeming qualities.

    Lots of talented comedians are fairly hostile and/or bitter offstage. Being really nice and always looking at the bright side of life is less compatible with being extremely funny than having a hostile personality.

    For example, you know who was a really funny guy?

    Ivan the Terrible

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_the_Terrible#Epistles

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    • Replies: @donut
    "Lots of talented comedians are fairly hostile and/or bitter offstage."

    If that's the case in about ten years if not sooner we should be seeing the funniest group of straight white comedians ever . Gallows humor raised to an art form .
    , @Trayvon Zimmerman
    You don't gotta tell me, Steve. I have quite a bit of first hand experience with stand up comedians, and I know all about bitter and depressed and dark and hostile. Nearly all the really funny ones, of which there are very few these days, have been basket cases in many ways. In fact, I can think of several "club comedians" in the last 30 years who were hilarious, far funnier than most of the well known comics, but never made it big for various personal reasons, and one of the most common reasons is that they're often very difficult to get along with, even when it's just business.

    I won't mention his name here, but there was a guy in Chicago in the late 80s who was widely considered to be one of the most hilarious guys working. Dry, deadpan delivery, but wickedly funny. Crowds loved him, and other comedians loved his act, too, which is really rare. But he was a hard core drunk, and he was constantly being told he couldn't come back to the club because he'd pass out and wet the bed. No joke. Either the hotel the club contracted with would tell the club he can't come back, or the club manager himself would get tired of having to buy a new mattress for the comic's condo above the store, and just refuse to book him. When he wasn't wetting the bed from too much booze, he would on occasion drop a lot of LSD, and then expound on his ideas about life to fellow comedians and assorted hangers on. To help them understand, he would take a magic marker and write out many of his concepts on the hotel room walls. Plus, this mild mannered white nerd was horny as all get out, and wasn't too particular about who he hooked up with, which was often a local $25 hooker.

    And, to top it all off, he was his own manager, and he was often hungover and surly, if not stoned out of his mind, when the rare booker would call. One famous story (and there were a lot of stories about this guy) was about the time a female comedy club manager called to see about booking him, because, despite his problems, she was a huge fan. He answered the phone, and the manager said "May I please speak with _____ _______?" He replied "God damn you, bitch! I told you to stop calling here! I PAID THAT BILL!"

    Yeah.

    He did make it onto Star Search, (early in his short career) but pretty much screwed himself the night before the actual competition, when he walked into the hotel bar where the judges were all gathered, falling down drunk, accompanied by two of those cheap hookers (one white, one black) and began telling the judges in detail just what he planned to do with the hookers. He should've been huge, but by the early 90s he was out of the business completely. Last I heard he was working at a factory in Nebraska.

    I can verify first hand that, as you often say, funny people aren't happy, and happy people [aren't] funny.
  91. 5371 says:
    @Jim
    South African audiences are not particularly smart. Their sense of humour isn't meta or complex or self-deprecating-they just find accents and racial stereotypes funny, so you won't get much else from the comedy scene there.

    Trevor Noah gave his South African audience what it wanted and now that he's moved to the U.S. I'm sure his true comedic talent (backed by a team of writers) will shine through.

    And Saturday Night Live etc. are meta, complex, self-deprecating – yeah right.

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  92. donut says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Lots of talented comedians are fairly hostile and/or bitter offstage. Being really nice and always looking at the bright side of life is less compatible with being extremely funny than having a hostile personality.

    For example, you know who was a really funny guy?

    Ivan the Terrible

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_the_Terrible#Epistles

    “Lots of talented comedians are fairly hostile and/or bitter offstage.”

    If that’s the case in about ten years if not sooner we should be seeing the funniest group of straight white comedians ever . Gallows humor raised to an art form .

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I wouldn't at all be surprised if the present turns out to be the Golden Age of Straight White Male Comedy.

    I'm an old coot, so my natural tendency is to be nostalgic about how things were better when I was young, but stand-up and comedy writing seems to be at least as good now as I can remember it ever being, which suggests it's probably better than ever before.
  93. @donut
    "Lots of talented comedians are fairly hostile and/or bitter offstage."

    If that's the case in about ten years if not sooner we should be seeing the funniest group of straight white comedians ever . Gallows humor raised to an art form .

    I wouldn’t at all be surprised if the present turns out to be the Golden Age of Straight White Male Comedy.

    I’m an old coot, so my natural tendency is to be nostalgic about how things were better when I was young, but stand-up and comedy writing seems to be at least as good now as I can remember it ever being, which suggests it’s probably better than ever before.

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  94. @Steve Sailer
    Lots of talented comedians are fairly hostile and/or bitter offstage. Being really nice and always looking at the bright side of life is less compatible with being extremely funny than having a hostile personality.

    For example, you know who was a really funny guy?

    Ivan the Terrible

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_the_Terrible#Epistles

    You don’t gotta tell me, Steve. I have quite a bit of first hand experience with stand up comedians, and I know all about bitter and depressed and dark and hostile. Nearly all the really funny ones, of which there are very few these days, have been basket cases in many ways. In fact, I can think of several “club comedians” in the last 30 years who were hilarious, far funnier than most of the well known comics, but never made it big for various personal reasons, and one of the most common reasons is that they’re often very difficult to get along with, even when it’s just business.

    I won’t mention his name here, but there was a guy in Chicago in the late 80s who was widely considered to be one of the most hilarious guys working. Dry, deadpan delivery, but wickedly funny. Crowds loved him, and other comedians loved his act, too, which is really rare. But he was a hard core drunk, and he was constantly being told he couldn’t come back to the club because he’d pass out and wet the bed. No joke. Either the hotel the club contracted with would tell the club he can’t come back, or the club manager himself would get tired of having to buy a new mattress for the comic’s condo above the store, and just refuse to book him. When he wasn’t wetting the bed from too much booze, he would on occasion drop a lot of LSD, and then expound on his ideas about life to fellow comedians and assorted hangers on. To help them understand, he would take a magic marker and write out many of his concepts on the hotel room walls. Plus, this mild mannered white nerd was horny as all get out, and wasn’t too particular about who he hooked up with, which was often a local $25 hooker.

    And, to top it all off, he was his own manager, and he was often hungover and surly, if not stoned out of his mind, when the rare booker would call. One famous story (and there were a lot of stories about this guy) was about the time a female comedy club manager called to see about booking him, because, despite his problems, she was a huge fan. He answered the phone, and the manager said “May I please speak with _____ _______?” He replied “God damn you, bitch! I told you to stop calling here! I PAID THAT BILL!”

    Yeah.

    He did make it onto Star Search, (early in his short career) but pretty much screwed himself the night before the actual competition, when he walked into the hotel bar where the judges were all gathered, falling down drunk, accompanied by two of those cheap hookers (one white, one black) and began telling the judges in detail just what he planned to do with the hookers. He should’ve been huge, but by the early 90s he was out of the business completely. Last I heard he was working at a factory in Nebraska.

    I can verify first hand that, as you often say, funny people aren’t happy, and happy people [aren't] funny.

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  95. notsaying says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    . I felt really stupid that day I realized that Howard Stern didn’t specifically target Jewish people and white men as such — the very things he was!

    I haven't listened to him since he went to satellite, but he made fun of Jews on his broadcast radio show. When a worked-up Jewish caller called to
    argue about Israel or something, Howard played the main theme to Exodus over him ( http://youtu.be/wEPZ1ef2g_A ). That was pretty funny.

    Sorry I missed that one, Dave.

    I haven’t heard him in years either. He sure isn’t the news like he used to be. I suppose he’s still saying the same kind of things he did the last time we heard him.

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  96. @Malcolm X-Lax
    Yeah, I agree that Richards was a lousy standup (but brilliant as Kramer), I was just noting that the way he was intonating/enunciating the N word was not the way the word is usually spoken or shouted in anger. I know I'm not alone in this observation because I heard Dr. Drew Pinsky make the same point on the Adam Carolla Show.

    I agree. He wasn’t try to be racist, he was trying to be edgy.

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  97. notsaying says:
    @Anonymous
    I read somewhere that Trevor Noah is like a quarter jewish himself? True?

    There’s a quote from Trevor Noah to that effect on Wikipedia. He says his mother’s half Jewish. I wonder if that was a serious comment or a joke, though.

    I was wondering if Noah was really his last name — it doesn’t sound German to me — but evidently his father’s name was Robert Noah.

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  98. @Unladen Swallow
    I believe the circular firing squad is beginning to form out of the coalition of the fringes. That was fast, 24 hours after getting the gig, SPLINTER!!!!!

    …the circular firing squad is beginning to form…fast, 24 hours after getting the gig.

    To paraphrase Andy Warhol, in the future, everyone will be employed one day.

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  99. The Z Blog says: • Website
    @Thagomizer
    He's half black, half white, and 1/4 jewish on his black mother's side. So he's arguable jewish, but also has Obama-esqe ancestry, and a pleasant accent.

    He hit the "diverse yet not diverse" mark that allowed the producers to feel self righteous yet unthreatened.

    I appreciate that, but they could have found a one-legged transvestite in their own backyard, one with a track record of pleasing the arfing seals and no history of apostasy. But, it suggests that anti-racism/anti-white male has become a psychosis. They were not looking for a guy who could tell jokes to their tiny audience of middle-aged Manhattanites. They wanted to find the most exotic weirdo furthest down the weirdo spectrum from the dreaded pale penis people.

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  100. @Trayvon Zimmerman
    You don't gotta tell me, Steve. I have quite a bit of first hand experience with stand up comedians, and I know all about bitter and depressed and dark and hostile. Nearly all the really funny ones, of which there are very few these days, have been basket cases in many ways. In fact, I can think of several "club comedians" in the last 30 years who were hilarious, far funnier than most of the well known comics, but never made it big for various personal reasons, and one of the most common reasons is that they're often very difficult to get along with, even when it's just business.

    I won't mention his name here, but there was a guy in Chicago in the late 80s who was widely considered to be one of the most hilarious guys working. Dry, deadpan delivery, but wickedly funny. Crowds loved him, and other comedians loved his act, too, which is really rare. But he was a hard core drunk, and he was constantly being told he couldn't come back to the club because he'd pass out and wet the bed. No joke. Either the hotel the club contracted with would tell the club he can't come back, or the club manager himself would get tired of having to buy a new mattress for the comic's condo above the store, and just refuse to book him. When he wasn't wetting the bed from too much booze, he would on occasion drop a lot of LSD, and then expound on his ideas about life to fellow comedians and assorted hangers on. To help them understand, he would take a magic marker and write out many of his concepts on the hotel room walls. Plus, this mild mannered white nerd was horny as all get out, and wasn't too particular about who he hooked up with, which was often a local $25 hooker.

    And, to top it all off, he was his own manager, and he was often hungover and surly, if not stoned out of his mind, when the rare booker would call. One famous story (and there were a lot of stories about this guy) was about the time a female comedy club manager called to see about booking him, because, despite his problems, she was a huge fan. He answered the phone, and the manager said "May I please speak with _____ _______?" He replied "God damn you, bitch! I told you to stop calling here! I PAID THAT BILL!"

    Yeah.

    He did make it onto Star Search, (early in his short career) but pretty much screwed himself the night before the actual competition, when he walked into the hotel bar where the judges were all gathered, falling down drunk, accompanied by two of those cheap hookers (one white, one black) and began telling the judges in detail just what he planned to do with the hookers. He should've been huge, but by the early 90s he was out of the business completely. Last I heard he was working at a factory in Nebraska.

    I can verify first hand that, as you often say, funny people aren't happy, and happy people [aren't] funny.

    Jake Johansen? Brian Haley?

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    Neither one. Far from winding up working manual labor in a Nebraska factory, both those men have been very successful for over two decades. Not Seinfeld level, but they've both done very well. I think Johansen has been on Letterman over 50 times, and Haley has been in a lot of movies. The guy I'm talking about never got past his one appearance on Star Search. And his career was over by the early 90s.
  101. MEH 0910 says:

    Last Night, Patton Oswalt Went on an Epic Twitter Ramage and Here it Is

    Inspired by The Daily Show Trevor Noah controversy, the comedian took to Twitter with a 53-part piece of performance art like nothing the medium has ever seen, satirizing the ongoing death of comedy. Here it is re-posted here in its entirety:

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  102. A bunch of rather stupid people with no sense of humor discussing what is and isn’t funny! Now that really is laughable but apparently few get the joke.

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  103. I go to the Hollywood Improv a lot. A lot of the stuff there is still hyper offensive and extremely un-PC in a non-meta way. In fact, most comedy clubs still allow edgy comics onto their stages. But so far, only Michael Richards and Daniel Tosh seem to have fallen afoul of the mob in a comedy club. How long till even this bastion of un-PC humor falls to the SJWs?

    My favorite Improv joke from last year:

    “I saw a poll the other day that said 87% of Americans are racially insensitive. Yeah. Pretty amazing. But then I was like, who gives a shit what some Polak thinks?”

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    • Replies: @Trayvon Zimmerman
    “I saw a poll the other day that said 87% of Americans are racially insensitive. Yeah. Pretty amazing. But then I was like, who gives a shit what some Polak thinks?”

    That is not politically incorrect humor. In fact, it's the embodiment of it, pretending to be "out there" when playing it perfectly safe. You can make fun of straight white gentiles all you want. And everyone knows it. You can call them names, you can talk about how much you hate them, and how one of these days they're going to pay for everything they've done, and what a day of rejoicing that will be. And you're still a leftist PC bot, no matter how many people call you "fearless" and "transgressive."

    If the guy had really been brave and fearless, he would've said "****" or "******." But that's not how you get on TV. Mr. Goldberg doesn't like that kind of talk.

    It still wouldn't have made it funny, though. It's a formulaic joke with a punch line that lots of people can see coming a mile away.
  104. @SemiProblematic
    Bob Hope was making jokes that the backed the establishment view. Hamblin and Kornhaber want comics to do the same thing for the current SJW establishment but I guess pretend that it's still anti-establishment comedy or something.

    I have wondered about all the Hope hate lately. The man lived 100 years, according to IMDb, he had acting credits up into his 90s. He had 94 credits as an actor and 399 under “Self”. Not to mention all his USO work, 57 shows over 50 years up into his late 80s.

    When compared to Mel Brooks, Hope has double the acting credits. Double the “Self” credits. More credits as a producer and on soundtrack. Brooks does have more writing and directing credits, but for the most part I would not consider those consumer driven.

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  105. @iSteveFan

    Although I love the irony of Comedy Central replacing the Jewish host of the Daily Show with an anti-Semitic one,
     
    Noah is actually part Jewish.

    Noah is actually part Jewish.

    Are you sure? The Wiki link says that his black mom is half Jewish. That sounds odd. Maybe he’s just trying to get Comedian cred

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  106. Salman says:

    Abe Foxman is the Jewish Jesse Jackson wannabee.

    But it is in the nature of Jews that there really cannot be a Jewish Jesse Jackson.

    No Jew whose paycheck he doesn’t sign cares what Abe Foxman says, though some in the media may pretend.

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    • Replies: @Noah172
    Foxman's job isn't to influence his fellow Jews; it's to intimidate goyim, in which Foxman succeeds regularly.
  107. @BubbaJoe
    "It’s also remarkable just how much intellectual attention and energy is expended by media people scrutinizing and psychoanalyzing these tweets."

    Makes sense though. If you believe culture determines everything, and 'culture' is malleable, the only way to see the change you wish for is to control it completely. The slightest deviation can derail [another annoying buzz word] attempts at such change. And the only way you can convince people to adhere to such rigidity is to believe yourself that allowing said deviations will, if you really think about it, lead inexorably to female manumission. If a joke (an accurate one at that) about large women is let slide, the next thing you know women everywhere will be losing the right to vote and own property. This is crazy, but within their intellectual framework, it's logical.

    Unless I’m not getting something, you’re using “manumission” incorrectly. Manumission: formal emancipation from slavery.

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  108. The Atlantic article’s insistence that these jokes aren’t funny reveals how threatened they are by humor.

    The coalition of the fringes is more vulnerable to mockery than the core, and if they lose the reins of mainstream comedy, they’re toast.

    Hence, they have to whip the troops into shape with a constant drumbeat of “not funny! Not funny! Thou shalt not laugh!”

    Because you know, if people are allowed to just laugh at what they find funny, who knows what disaster may befall us.

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    The Atlantic stopped being relevant a generation ago, and has grasped at various SJW straws since then. How long until it goes out of business, or until some sucker buys it to pump in more money?
  109. @Larry, San Francisco
    Did you ever see the Road to Morocco? One of the scenes has Hope cruelly insulting a woman for being ugly (she was reasonably attractive just not Dorothy Lamour). Although the movie is pretty good I found that scene to be painful to watch. I would guess that is not the only instance of him being nasty to women.

    Yeah, but that schtick was common as dirt back in the 40′s and 50′s.

    Heck, go watch some Sanford & Son reruns, Redd Foxx and LaWanda Page did it nearly every episode.

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    • Replies: @IBC
    Or what about South Park and Family Guy today?
  110. Ivy says:
    @Sparkling Wiggle
    The Atlantic article's insistence that these jokes aren't funny reveals how threatened they are by humor.

    The coalition of the fringes is more vulnerable to mockery than the core, and if they lose the reins of mainstream comedy, they're toast.

    Hence, they have to whip the troops into shape with a constant drumbeat of "not funny! Not funny! Thou shalt not laugh!"

    Because you know, if people are allowed to just laugh at what they find funny, who knows what disaster may befall us.

    The Atlantic stopped being relevant a generation ago, and has grasped at various SJW straws since then. How long until it goes out of business, or until some sucker buys it to pump in more money?

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    • Replies: @Jean Cocteausten
    If I wanted to damage American culture and had a few million dollars a year to spend, I'd insinuate myself into a position of quiet influence over, say, the Atlantic, Salon.com, and maybe some key bloggers, and push them to generate divisive, relentlessly negative and critical content. Wasn't Salon circling the drain a few years ago, before it mysteriously re-emerged as the enemy of anything Americans accept as self-evident? What's up with that?
  111. Danindc says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax
    Funny no one has mentioned the much-beloved Howard Stern, who could get bent out of shape because some blonde bimbo he was objectifying told him he had a face that was smacked by a yarmulke but the next day make the observation that Soon Yi Previn had a face like a catcher's mitt. I wonder what the reaction of the left might have been if one of the blue collar comedy guys made a joke analogous to the jewish kid gets hit by the German car tweet but rather the subject was a black boy, rope, and lynching. I wish we could record the happenings in a parallel universe in which we actually could prove to people how their reactions to X, Y, or Z would be different depending on whose ox was gored. But many on the left actually defend the double standard under the "punching up vs. punching down" marxist theory of comedy.

    Stern is so dm thin skinned. He tried to get Andy Dick banned from entertainment after he called him a hook-nosed Jew. Stern of all people. Come to think of it – haven’t heard much from Andy Dick lately.

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  112. Noah172 says:
    @Salman
    Abe Foxman is the Jewish Jesse Jackson wannabee.

    But it is in the nature of Jews that there really cannot be a Jewish Jesse Jackson.

    No Jew whose paycheck he doesn't sign cares what Abe Foxman says, though some in the media may pretend.

    Foxman’s job isn’t to influence his fellow Jews; it’s to intimidate goyim, in which Foxman succeeds regularly.

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  113. abj_slant says:

    Did anybody watch the last four years of Fey’s 30 Rock?

    I did.

    My all-time favorite scene was in season 5. Fey was on a plane waiting for take off; Matt Damon played the pilot/boyfriend. After waiting for hours, tempers escalated to the point where Damon was pointing a gun at her and she was using an old man as a shield. Classic stuff.

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  114. @Bugg
    Frankly assumed Richards was Jewish-wiki (which can be wrong)-

    "Richards was born in Culver City, California, the son of Phyllis (née Nardozzi), a medical records librarian, and William Richards, an electrical engineer.[6] His father died in a car crash when Michael was two and his mother never remarried."


    The point stands. He does standup, standup guys deal with hecklers all the time, moreso the smaller the audience. In a perfect world any comedian should be allowed to joke about anything. And we all have the right not to watch nor buy tickets.

    Viacom had to go all the way to Africa to find a black guy to replace Lebowitz. That could be the biggest joke in this whole mess.

    “Viacom had to go all the way to Africa to find a black guy to replace Lebowitz. That could be the biggest joke in this whole mess.”

    Trevor Noah is the Barack Obama of stand-up ie., he acts/talks White, he IS half-White, and he’d probably rather be having sex with other dudes.

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  115. @Bob Smith of Suburbia
    Jake Johansen? Brian Haley?

    Neither one. Far from winding up working manual labor in a Nebraska factory, both those men have been very successful for over two decades. Not Seinfeld level, but they’ve both done very well. I think Johansen has been on Letterman over 50 times, and Haley has been in a lot of movies. The guy I’m talking about never got past his one appearance on Star Search. And his career was over by the early 90s.

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    Johansen's hilarious.

    That reminds me: people often tell me, Steve, you should get on a TV show once or twice, so then you'll be famous. In reality, you have to be on TV hundreds of times to be famous. Jake Johansen, for example, has been on Letterman dozens of times over the decades, and I'd never heard of him until a couple of years ago.

  116. @Seth Largo
    I go to the Hollywood Improv a lot. A lot of the stuff there is still hyper offensive and extremely un-PC in a non-meta way. In fact, most comedy clubs still allow edgy comics onto their stages. But so far, only Michael Richards and Daniel Tosh seem to have fallen afoul of the mob in a comedy club. How long till even this bastion of un-PC humor falls to the SJWs?

    My favorite Improv joke from last year:

    "I saw a poll the other day that said 87% of Americans are racially insensitive. Yeah. Pretty amazing. But then I was like, who gives a shit what some Polak thinks?"

    “I saw a poll the other day that said 87% of Americans are racially insensitive. Yeah. Pretty amazing. But then I was like, who gives a shit what some Polak thinks?”

    That is not politically incorrect humor. In fact, it’s the embodiment of it, pretending to be “out there” when playing it perfectly safe. You can make fun of straight white gentiles all you want. And everyone knows it. You can call them names, you can talk about how much you hate them, and how one of these days they’re going to pay for everything they’ve done, and what a day of rejoicing that will be. And you’re still a leftist PC bot, no matter how many people call you “fearless” and “transgressive.”

    If the guy had really been brave and fearless, he would’ve said “****” or “******.” But that’s not how you get on TV. Mr. Goldberg doesn’t like that kind of talk.

    It still wouldn’t have made it funny, though. It’s a formulaic joke with a punch line that lots of people can see coming a mile away.

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  117. @Trayvon Zimmerman
    Neither one. Far from winding up working manual labor in a Nebraska factory, both those men have been very successful for over two decades. Not Seinfeld level, but they've both done very well. I think Johansen has been on Letterman over 50 times, and Haley has been in a lot of movies. The guy I'm talking about never got past his one appearance on Star Search. And his career was over by the early 90s.

    Johansen’s hilarious.

    That reminds me: people often tell me, Steve, you should get on a TV show once or twice, so then you’ll be famous. In reality, you have to be on TV hundreds of times to be famous. Jake Johansen, for example, has been on Letterman dozens of times over the decades, and I’d never heard of him until a couple of years ago.

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    • Replies: @Trayvon Zimmerman
    It didn't use to be that way. Steven Wright and Sam Kinison both became "overnight sensations" after just a couple of appearances on Carson and Letterman, respectively. Of course, Kinison would never be allowed on TV at all these days. And now there are probably at least 10,000 people in this country who consider themselves "working comics", and they pretty much all suck. The white ones are pretty much all bland, cookie cutter, anodyne PC carbon copies of each other. Letterman seems to go out of his way to put the most boring, vanilla comedians on his show, on the few times a year he allows one on. There are some exceptions, but they are extremely rare.

    According to Nielsen, talk show viewership actually drops when a comedian comes on. Many people who are watching actually turn the channel, which doesn't happen when a musical act or another guest comes on, or to a far smaller degree. That's why Leno and Letterman stopped having them on very often. And the reason people so many people tune out is because by and large, most of today's comedian suck. They're not funny, and most of them are remarkably alike, doing observational humor about, not even trivia, but minutiae. Heck, when's the last time you saw Letterman's audience even laughing at a comedian? They don't laugh, or at least not how people laughed at Steve Martin, Dangerfield, Kinison, and Steven Wright. There are some light chuckles, and then they applaud, as if they're saying "well, it's not really funny, so we can't laugh, but you tried, and we don't want you to be embarrassed on national TV, so we'll make another kind of noise." Comedians call these "applause breaks" and brag about them. But they're not what used to be meant by "applause break", which when the crowd was going absolutely nuts with both laughter and applause because the guy was hilarious. Today's "applause breaks" happen because a guy isn't funny.

  118. IBC says:
    @NorthOfTheOneOhOne
    Yeah, but that schtick was common as dirt back in the 40's and 50's.

    Heck, go watch some Sanford & Son reruns, Redd Foxx and LaWanda Page did it nearly every episode.

    Or what about South Park and Family Guy today?

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  119. @Steve Sailer
    Johansen's hilarious.

    That reminds me: people often tell me, Steve, you should get on a TV show once or twice, so then you'll be famous. In reality, you have to be on TV hundreds of times to be famous. Jake Johansen, for example, has been on Letterman dozens of times over the decades, and I'd never heard of him until a couple of years ago.

    It didn’t use to be that way. Steven Wright and Sam Kinison both became “overnight sensations” after just a couple of appearances on Carson and Letterman, respectively. Of course, Kinison would never be allowed on TV at all these days. And now there are probably at least 10,000 people in this country who consider themselves “working comics”, and they pretty much all suck. The white ones are pretty much all bland, cookie cutter, anodyne PC carbon copies of each other. Letterman seems to go out of his way to put the most boring, vanilla comedians on his show, on the few times a year he allows one on. There are some exceptions, but they are extremely rare.

    According to Nielsen, talk show viewership actually drops when a comedian comes on. Many people who are watching actually turn the channel, which doesn’t happen when a musical act or another guest comes on, or to a far smaller degree. That’s why Leno and Letterman stopped having them on very often. And the reason people so many people tune out is because by and large, most of today’s comedian suck. They’re not funny, and most of them are remarkably alike, doing observational humor about, not even trivia, but minutiae. Heck, when’s the last time you saw Letterman’s audience even laughing at a comedian? They don’t laugh, or at least not how people laughed at Steve Martin, Dangerfield, Kinison, and Steven Wright. There are some light chuckles, and then they applaud, as if they’re saying “well, it’s not really funny, so we can’t laugh, but you tried, and we don’t want you to be embarrassed on national TV, so we’ll make another kind of noise.” Comedians call these “applause breaks” and brag about them. But they’re not what used to be meant by “applause break”, which when the crowd was going absolutely nuts with both laughter and applause because the guy was hilarious. Today’s “applause breaks” happen because a guy isn’t funny.

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  120. It’s instructive to see how a lot of mainstream conservatives are reacting to this. Gateway Pundit is one of the most popular conservative blogs on the internet. For two tweets out of thousands, and one of them pretty much a simple statement of fact, Hoft labels Noah a “Jew-basher”. He rants about Noah’s “obsessive Jew-bashing”, and blames the “Jew-bashing progressives” who control the media for defending him. I’m not kidding. This is what passes for conservatism these days.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/03/jew-basher-trevor-noah-set-to-conquer-nations-capital-with-seven-sold-out-shows-in-april/

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  121. @Joe Walker
    In other words they want someone who isn't afraid to speak truth to Haven Monahan.

    “Speak Truth To Haven”

    Now there’s a subversive crypto-slogan I can get behind!

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  122. @Ivy
    The Atlantic stopped being relevant a generation ago, and has grasped at various SJW straws since then. How long until it goes out of business, or until some sucker buys it to pump in more money?

    If I wanted to damage American culture and had a few million dollars a year to spend, I’d insinuate myself into a position of quiet influence over, say, the Atlantic, Salon.com, and maybe some key bloggers, and push them to generate divisive, relentlessly negative and critical content. Wasn’t Salon circling the drain a few years ago, before it mysteriously re-emerged as the enemy of anything Americans accept as self-evident? What’s up with that?

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  123. AKAHorace says:
    @Mr. Anon
    "AKAHorace says:

    From what I read he is getting more flak for making fun of African Americans than Jews. "

    Yeah, sure he is.

    If the offensive tweets were representative samples of his humor, I'd have to say he's not funny (not offensive - just not funny). But then Stewart wasn't funny either. Incidentally, if this new guy were to say things about Jews that Stewart himself had said, he would be deemed anti-semitic, but that's no real surprise.

    "Mr. Weinstein wrote that this was a potentially dangerous attitude for a new host of “The Daily Show,” adding: “Many young people don’t watch ‘The Daily Show’ just to laugh — they watch the show to get their news. The show shapes perceptions.”"

    Yes, that's a large part of the problem. The Daily Show leads snarky, ignorant youngsters to think that they know things that they don't.

    “Mr. Weinstein wrote that this was a potentially dangerous attitude for a new host of “The Daily Show,” adding: “Many young people don’t watch ‘The Daily Show’ just to laugh — they watch the show to get their news. The show shapes perceptions.””

    Google some of Noahs stand up comedy. American young people will actually get a bit of an education from this guy. Open minded (says that he is learning German, bu t has persistent problems as he sound like Hitler) and does not think that America is the centre of the world. What were they thinking of when they hired him ? he is great.

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  124. AKAHorace says:

    He also seems to make jokes about Obama being white ? My president washing the chocolate off ?

    Or am I missing something about South Africa.

    Along with a riff on stupid American women.

    He has absolutely no respect. Give him a chance.

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  125. BubbaJoe says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    Unless I'm not getting something, you're using "manumission" incorrectly. Manumission: formal emancipation from slavery.

    You’re right- confused it for its opposite.

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  126. [Bob] Hope was adored in his prime, but then his misogyny fell out of style, and his fans and the industry largely disowned him.

    Considering he had his own NBC specials up until he was 93, I would say this was an extremely poor example.

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  127. Jew says:
    @Bugg
    Michael Richards, a Jewish comedian who was arguably the funniest part of the best sitcom ever, was also "only joking".

    FYI Michael Richards isn’t Jewish, he’s half Italian-American.

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  128. Those dudes sound like a barrel of laughs.

    Ironically (though not surprising in any way) I reckon they’d be the first in a room to open with “the thing I’ve noticed about white people lately is…”

    That humor isn’t problematic though.

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