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I’ve always admired Israel and have frequently recommended that Americans study Israel’s hard-headed policies and attitudes for models for our own country. Donald Trump appears to feel much the same way. From the Israeli broadsheet Haaretz:

On Walls and Racial Profiling, Trump Damns Israel With Loud Praise

His tributes could turn off critics as well as admirers of Israel, who loathe the presumptive GOP candidate.

Chemi Shalev Jun 20, 2016 10:43 PM

- Trump says U.S. should consider racial profiling, cites Israel as a role model
- Israeli minister justifies security ‘profiling’ hailed by Trump
- If ISIS wills it, Trump can still be president, as Israelis well know
- Is Trump blowing his big, post-Orlando opportunity?

One can argue whether Israel is or isn’t a light unto the nations, but it has certainly served as role model for Donald Trump in recent weeks. On Monday, Trump cited Israel’s “success” as a reason for American to rethink its attitude towards racial profiling. In the past, he has praised the efficacy of Israeli barriers in keeping out terrorists and illegal immigrants as an inspiration for the controversial wall he wants to build along the U.S. border with Mexico. “If you think walls don’t work, just ask Israel,” he says.

Mike Huckabee, one of Trump’s few vocal supporters in the GOP, told Fox News this week why, when it comes to Muslims, Israel was a paragon of virtue. “In Israel, they don’t play the political correct game,” Huckabee noted. “When everybody acts like ‘Oh what Trump has said is so amazing,’ it’s not that amazing in Israel.”

Many Israelis will be proud to serve as a kosher certificate for Trump’s declarations. … Citing Israel as paragon would certainly please Sheldon Adelson who, like Huckabee, remains rather lonely as one of the few big donors to openly declare support for Trump.

But as for the rest of the world, allow me to quote my late father, who, in such circumstances, would have muttered “moykhl toyves”, which, loosely translated, means don’t do me any favors. Trump’s compliments damage Israel’s name in the very places where it isn’t all that great in the first place, such as liberal Democrats. The rarely highlighted “racial profiling” that Israel employs at Ben Gurion Airport and other security bottlenecks is simply adding insult to the many injuries that Israel’s critics already discern.

But the negative impact of the close identification that Trump is trying to forge between Israel and his policies could spread much wider. Even with increased criticism from the left, Israel remains much more popular in American public opinion than the presumptive Republican nominee. His reputation is still far worse than ours. In the eyes of Trump’s detractors, his tributes are a stain. His compliments damn Israel with loud praise and drag it into the mud, where he currently finds himself.

This didn’t seem to bother Yisrael Katz, Israel’s transportation minister, who was eager to own “racial profiling” in a meeting with foreign correspondents on Tuesday. Katz was careful not to relate to Trump or the presidential race, but headlines in the U.S. nonetheless cited him as endorsing the GOP candidate’s suggestions. Profiling is necessary and effective, Katz said, when asked about Trump’s statement. When there is Islamic terror, he noted, “You can only look for it among Muslims.”

But even if one accepts that singling out Muslims in general and Israeli Arabs in particular is a necessary evil, as Israel’s High Court of Justice decided last year, and even if one views the profiling as a main ingredient in the high level of security achieved at Ben Gurion Airport – there’s no reason to be boasting about it in public. Israel, with its unique challenges and singular solutions, is not America. It doesn’t even speak the same language.

The United States, unlike Israel, has a constitution, which seems to frown on racial profiling, as the U.S. Supreme Court ruled, according to most interpretations, in a 2012 case involving illegal immigrants in Arizona. Moreover, America has other issues to contend with, besides terror, and other minorities to consider, besides Muslims. Latino Americans despise racial profiling when they are automatically stopped as illegal immigrants. African Americans fight racial profiling when it gets them arrested for standing innocently on a street corner. Now with the help of Trump and his endorsers, they will know that Israel is the source of inspiration for the practice that they detest.

Many Israelis will agree with Trump and Huckabee’s diagnosis of politically correct as the mother of all evils. Many seem to associate the term with the unpopular President Obama. Of course, Israelis and other PC-critics seem to ignore the fact that politically correct discourse does not apply only to Muslims. In America it prevents politicians from stereotyping Hispanics, African Americans, Asians and, of course, Jews as well.

As I wrote in Taki’s Magazine awhile back:

Trump’s backers tend to believe they have more to gain from frank, outspoken debate (whether in pragmatic advantages or simply in entertainment value), while his opponents assume that they, personally, have more to lose from a return to a freer market for ideas.

This is one of those rare cases in politics where both sides may be right.

 
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  1. Still, how can you tell someone is Muslim. Is this on the passport? Otherwise what you’re really looking for is swarthy ME types.

    • Replies: @11B4P
    "Still, how can you tell someone is Muslim. Is this on the passport? Otherwise what you’re really looking for is swarthy ME types"

    Well the name Muhammad is a dead give away, that would be a good start.
    , @Chris Mallory
    Since all the 9/11 hijackers, the Orlando shooter, the Fort Hood shooter, the San Bernardino shooter, the first set of WTC bombers, and the Chattanooga shooter were all swarthy ME types, it seems a good place to start. I have yet to see a gray haired, white grandmother hijack a plane or commit a mass shooting. Yet the TSA treats both of them the same.

    Cut out the swarthy ME types, then end immigration by Africans and South Asians. Ship the Central Americans back and build the wall. Soon many of our problems will be solved.
    , @Anonymous
    See my comment if it was published.


    My cousins have never been to a mosque. They were born in the US, have US passports and are mainline Christian protestants. They don't speak Arabic (or Turkish or anything else besides French, German and Russian).


    Their names were enough to trigger Israeli bullying despite US passports and very good, easily confirmed reasons for being in Israel.


    So yeah, the Israelis don't err on the side of being nice. They err on the side of "American? Diplomatic luggage? F*** you, who do you know in Turkey, [name my cousin has never used]?"

    Of course, my cousin was a bit confused about what kind of information to give. He does know a second cousin from Turkey. Who went to Eton and Oxford and lives in Manhattan.
    , @Almost Missouri

    "how can you tell someone is Muslim"
     
    Primarily name. Muslims prefer a fairly narrow range of given names.

    Even the family names are in a much narrower range than in the West, due to cousin marriage, and a database of family/clan names by country and religion could be >98% accurate.

    Plus, the identity documents from most Muslim countries--which foreigners should have to present to get a visa--often specify the person's religion explicitly. (Muslim countries racially/ethnically/religiously profile all the time as a matter of policy, but apparently no SJWs care.)

    Finally, for the educated observer, there are smaller tells, such as manner of dress, speech, neighborhood, etc. Locals know this stuff because they are profiling each other all the time. Westerners are oblivious. We don't need to be.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    I'm good with using percent Muslim nationality and banning some Africans and SE Asians in addition.

    Of course, with the influx of "refugees" to Europe, it might be fortress America time.

    Want a visa? Please come from Poland or Japan only. Thank you.
    , @grapesoda
    Ugh, so much discussion and so many wrong answers. You ban immigrants from COUNTRIES which have a history of terrorism and antagonism to the US. This in fact is what the Trump team has moved towards, but I'm not gonna look it up right now. There is no way they ever could or would ban "Muslims," per se.
    , @iSteveFan
    Require all visa applicants to eat a BLT.
    , @International Jew
    If they say they're Christian, ask them to recite The Lord's Prayer in Arabic. Have an Arab Christian clergyman on hand to verify. As there's little love lost between Arab Christians and Arab Muslims, you can count on that clergyman being motivated.

    If one Muslim out of a hundred can pass the test, then we've solved 99% of the problem, which is pretty damned good. But we're not dealing with a high-competency population anyway. In Israel, for instance, you can determine with 99.99% accuracy if a swarthy middle eastern type is an Arab or a Jew by just hearing him speak Hebrew. (Unless he's over 65, in which case he could be a first-generation immigrant from the Arab world who didn't arrive young enough to absorb the Israeli Jewish accent.)

  2. Other fun stuff from Haaretz:

    “Why Is an Israeli Pro-settler Group Campaigning for Brexit?” http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/.premium-1.725405

    On Bernie Marcus’ Trump endorsement: http://www.themarker.com/wallstreet/1.2981051

    • Replies: @Lot

    “Why Is an Israeli Pro-settler Group Campaigning for Brexit?”
     
    I already liked the Israeli settlers. Now I do even more. EU out of England!
  3. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    People have no idea how hardcore Israel is.

    My uncle, an economist, is an atheist Turkish-American. He’s a citizen who came to this country as a child, went to American schools, universities, etc. He does not maintain property or any kind of political presence in any foreign country. He was working for the IMF/World Bank in Israel.

    My cousins, half-WASP by birth and fully 100% American Christians by citizenship/background/life, were harassed hardcore by Israeli security when they went to visit their parents in Israel. Multiple times, at airports and elsewhere. My male cousin has a Turkish middle name and so they refused to call him by his Christian first name when they were detaining him.

    And these are people with US (and only US) passports and with “ties to the diplomatic community” of the US government if you catch my meaning.

    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
    The Turkish connection explains it:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Headley

    The Boston bombers were US citizens too.
    , @AndrewR
    Yikes.

    Reminds me of when I was returning from Canada to the US on a bus. I have a rare surname and the CBP agent asked me if I was related to the retired senator with my name. I said yes, he's my cousin. The agent then asked me if I had a close relationship with my cousin, and I told him the truth: no.

    He looked at me for a second then asked me to open my bag so he could inspect it.

    I assume that he would not have looked in my bag if I had said I was close with my cousin...
    , @Cwhatfuture
    I'm a Jewish American, and when I was single, and traveled to Israel alone, I was given a difficult time. I was taken to a small room, I was asked what I did on my Bar Mitzvah and given other questions about Jewish ritual practice, most of which I did not know. I even had to give hand writing samples. (This all ended after I was married and travelled with my wife). But I did not get angry at the questioning. I knew it was for my own protection as Muslims have the very nasty habit of trying to smuggle explosive devices onto Israeli commercial planes. There was even one Muslim who put a bomb in the luggage of his pregnant Irish Catholic "fiancé" and told her he would meet her in Tel Aviv. The questioning of this poor, innocent, Irish Catholic girl is how they found the bomb. Any intelligent person, especially someone with CIA ties, would understand this is not bullying but a practiced way to ferret out very bad people. I also find your reference to "airports" (pl) to be quite odd. Flights from the US land at one single airport in Israel - Ben Gurion. Where were these other "airports" they landed at when visiting?
    , @Karl
    >> [Border Police hassling American Christians on multiple occassions]


    I don't buy this story



    PS: ha-Aretz is leftist trash; much more so in the English edition
  4. Also, you linked to the wrong article.

  5. What a time to be alive!

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    This is THE definition of a low-trust society. The entire Middle East is very very low trust. Even the countries that are 100% Muslim.

    Now our leaders would like to import it here. Lots of people are going to get killed until our the high-trust liberals wise up.

    They haven't all wised up even in Israel. Haaretz is as bad as the New York Times.
  6. @carol
    Still, how can you tell someone is Muslim. Is this on the passport? Otherwise what you're really looking for is swarthy ME types.

    “Still, how can you tell someone is Muslim. Is this on the passport? Otherwise what you’re really looking for is swarthy ME types”

    Well the name Muhammad is a dead give away, that would be a good start.

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
    Not always:

    http://quadrant.org.au/flexible-multiculturalism/

    And Mohammed Atta's behaviour pre-9/11 makes the 'bacon sandwich and glass of beer' test look fallible.
  7. @carol
    Still, how can you tell someone is Muslim. Is this on the passport? Otherwise what you're really looking for is swarthy ME types.

    Since all the 9/11 hijackers, the Orlando shooter, the Fort Hood shooter, the San Bernardino shooter, the first set of WTC bombers, and the Chattanooga shooter were all swarthy ME types, it seems a good place to start. I have yet to see a gray haired, white grandmother hijack a plane or commit a mass shooting. Yet the TSA treats both of them the same.

    Cut out the swarthy ME types, then end immigration by Africans and South Asians. Ship the Central Americans back and build the wall. Soon many of our problems will be solved.

    • Replies: @Formerly CARealist
    I'm a nice white, blue-eyed, aging mommy and I got singled out for extra inspection at the airport. Seems the zipper in my jeans is made of metal, or something, so they had an annoyed-looking woman put her hand in my pants just to make sure I didn't have a .38 special down there.

    If I'd had my wits about me I would have asked her out on a date.
  8. I used to admire Israel also. But this perfectly encapsulates why I have developed a dislike for, and suspicion of, Jews: rank, shameless hypocrisy.

    I do not hold it against Jews that many if not most are intelligent, well-off financially, or that they want to practice a religion different from mine. Good for them. Fine with me.

    The problem is that Jews seem to always have two sets of rules: one for them, another for everyone else. Racial profiling Muslims is bad, unless Jews want to do it. Jews mandate “diversity” for me, nepotism for themselves. Restricting Muslim immigration into the U.S. is bad, but fine for Israel. Building a border wall is Hitlerian if Trump does it, yet perfectly kosher for Israel. Intermarriage between races should be promoted in the U.S., but in Israel Jews cannot marry non-Jews. Bloomberg wants to take my guns away, yet he’s surrounded by armed bodyguards 24-7-365. “Assault weapons” should be banned in the U.S., but it’s perfectly fine for Jews in West Bank settlements to tote full-auto Uzis, Galils, and M-16s so they can shoot Arabs who throw rocks at them.

    We’re about to have four Jews on the U.S. Supreme Court — does Israel have four American Christians on it’s highest court? Ten per cent of the Senate is Jewish — is ten per cent of the Knesset American Christians? Has the Israeli central bank been controlled by Christians for the last 30 years?

    I guess if you’re “the Chosen People of God” you don’t need to play by the same rules that everyone else does.

    • Replies: @Gabriel M
    So basically, Steven Sailer repeatedly citing the Israeli version of the NYT as if it is representative of Israeli opinion, has caused you to dislike Jews. Somehow, I manage to read articles in The Guardian without hating white people.
    , @Gabriel M
    P.S. Here are some of your "rock-throwing" Arabs.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_attack
  9. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @carol
    Still, how can you tell someone is Muslim. Is this on the passport? Otherwise what you're really looking for is swarthy ME types.

    See my comment if it was published.

    My cousins have never been to a mosque. They were born in the US, have US passports and are mainline Christian protestants. They don’t speak Arabic (or Turkish or anything else besides French, German and Russian).

    Their names were enough to trigger Israeli bullying despite US passports and very good, easily confirmed reasons for being in Israel.

    So yeah, the Israelis don’t err on the side of being nice. They err on the side of “American? Diplomatic luggage? F*** you, who do you know in Turkey, [name my cousin has never used]?”

    Of course, my cousin was a bit confused about what kind of information to give. He does know a second cousin from Turkey. Who went to Eton and Oxford and lives in Manhattan.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    That confusion could have been avoided if your extended family hadn't been allowed to settle in Anglosphere countries in the first place.

    But since it has, alas, we have to say that your minor inconvenience was not very terrible when compared to having family members killed or being maimed. Or do you think otherwise?
  10. When there is Islamic terror, he noted, “You can only look for it among Muslims.”

    How dare he! Everyone knows that Islamic terrorism has no religion!

    But really, reading articles from Israel is pretty disorienting. Somehow here is a developed nation with a more or less white population that unaccountably is not hell-bent on self-destruction. How can you have such a nation in the current year? (You might argue that there are similar nations in Eastern Europe, but looking at their fertility rates will disabuse you of the notion.)

    • Replies: @anon

    Somehow here is a developed nation with a more or less white population that unaccountably is not hell-bent on self-destruction. How can you have such a nation in the current year?
     
    Their media and financial sectors are dominated by their own ethnic group.
  11. I suggest building up relations with non-Muslim places of worship in Muslim countries and requiring a certificate from one of these institutions as proof that the bearer is not a Muslim.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "and requiring a certificate from one of these institutions as proof that the bearer is not a Muslim."

    Yes, and they always have some sort of marking affixed to their clothing. Kind of like a Star of David, except for swarthy Middle Eastern types. That would work well. [sarcasm]

    Damn, that's right, if these "undesirables" are American citizens, this sort of action would be a direct affront to the First Amendment.
  12. “Still, how can you tell someone is Muslim. Is this on the passport? Otherwise what you’re really looking for is swarthy ME types.”

    Not many people with Nordic Scandinaving looking phenotypes become Islamic Jihadists. So it is a lot easier to racially profile Muslim terrorists when the vast majority of them are various shades of Brown people and swarthy people.

    Even the Whitest looking Muslim terrorists The Tsarnaev Brothers do not look like blond Aryans from a Nazi Germany poster.

    Dzhokhar Tsarnaev looks like he could be Bob Dylan’s son and his brother looks like he works at a Greek restaurant.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    According to Masha Gessen, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is Black.

    The Wikipedia photo of "a Chechen fighter" looks fairly Scandinavian.
  13. Does this article even need comments? Practically every line translates as, “yes, Israel is a success, but don’t copy us.”

    • Replies: @gruff
    "Do as we say, not as we do."
  14. I believe the op-ed link is wrong, Steve. Of course, the article you do have linked is an interesting article on its own.

  15. @carol
    Still, how can you tell someone is Muslim. Is this on the passport? Otherwise what you're really looking for is swarthy ME types.

    “how can you tell someone is Muslim”

    Primarily name. Muslims prefer a fairly narrow range of given names.

    Even the family names are in a much narrower range than in the West, due to cousin marriage, and a database of family/clan names by country and religion could be >98% accurate.

    Plus, the identity documents from most Muslim countries–which foreigners should have to present to get a visa–often specify the person’s religion explicitly. (Muslim countries racially/ethnically/religiously profile all the time as a matter of policy, but apparently no SJWs care.)

    Finally, for the educated observer, there are smaller tells, such as manner of dress, speech, neighborhood, etc. Locals know this stuff because they are profiling each other all the time. Westerners are oblivious. We don’t need to be.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    When my dad had to go to Bahrain in the Persian Gulf to fix a Lockheed airliner in the late 1970s, he had to dig up a baptismal certificate from 1917 to prove to the locals that they could be sure he wasn't Jewish.
    , @Big Bill
    The Israelis are smart. They just put you racial/ethnic identity on your official ID card. No need for a yellow star or anything.
    , @Almost Missouri
    Locals in Muslim countries are so good at profiling that not only do they know who is Muslim, they know what sect and sub-sect.

    E.g.,

    Me: That guy's a Muslim, right?

    Local: Yes, he is a Shia of the Twelver sect. They are crazy. We don't let them in our village.
  16. @Almost Missouri

    "how can you tell someone is Muslim"
     
    Primarily name. Muslims prefer a fairly narrow range of given names.

    Even the family names are in a much narrower range than in the West, due to cousin marriage, and a database of family/clan names by country and religion could be >98% accurate.

    Plus, the identity documents from most Muslim countries--which foreigners should have to present to get a visa--often specify the person's religion explicitly. (Muslim countries racially/ethnically/religiously profile all the time as a matter of policy, but apparently no SJWs care.)

    Finally, for the educated observer, there are smaller tells, such as manner of dress, speech, neighborhood, etc. Locals know this stuff because they are profiling each other all the time. Westerners are oblivious. We don't need to be.

    When my dad had to go to Bahrain in the Persian Gulf to fix a Lockheed airliner in the late 1970s, he had to dig up a baptismal certificate from 1917 to prove to the locals that they could be sure he wasn’t Jewish.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    That's funny. It's like an anti-Aliyah.
    , @Luke Lea
    "When my dad had to go to Bahrain in the Persian Gulf to fix a Lockheed airliner in the late 1970s, he had to dig up a baptismal certificate from 1917 to prove to the locals that they could be sure he wasn’t Jewish."

    When my friend and I were trying to get a visa to enter Iraq from Syria in 1963, the Iraqi consular officer asked us to drop our pants to prove we weren't Jewish. We just laughed and explained that all males in America are circumcised, which they mostly were back then (not sure today).
    , @Jefferson
    "When my dad had to go to Bahrain in the Persian Gulf to fix a Lockheed airliner in the late 1970s, he had to dig up a baptismal certificate from 1917 to prove to the locals that they could be sure he wasn’t Jewish."

    Greg Gutfeld from Fox News said he has gotten a lot of anti-Jewish tweets directed at him on his Twitter page from Muslims because he negatively criticizes Islam a lot. He is actually a WASP, but the last name Gutfeld throws off Muslims. Muslims on Twitter think Greg Gutfeld is a Jew.

    , @Almost Missouri
    Reminds me of a story...

    Driving through the desert from Lebanon to Damascus with my wife years ago, we were stopped at a dusty border checkpoint that looked like something from a Beau Geste movie: nothing around this little fortification but wind, dust and tumbleweeds. Inside, there was a noisy throng of Arabs waving their transit papers under the noses of the impassive uniformed border officials. I got some blank forms and began filling them out. Name? Nationality? Religion? Tribe? ("American?") Clan? Father's name?

    My wife's father's name was Paul. Then it struck (heh) me that we were on the Road to Damascus. On my wife's form, I couldn't resist writing, "Paul, formerly Saul", and I handed it to the mustachioed, stone-faced officer who seemed to be in charge. When I told my wife what I'd done, she nearly had a nervous breakdown. But of course we were waved through without any repercussions.

    , @NickG
    In Gulf War 1, some UK special forces guys captured by the Iraqi's were accused of being Israeli. They proved they were not by 'proof from todger' pointing out that this would be impossible as they were not circumcised.

    Mind you, I understand male genital mutilation is still commonly practised in America, even amongst the Goy, so this might not have worked for Steve's Dad.

    , @NickG
    In Gulf War 1, some UK special forces guys captured Scud hunting behind the lines by the Iraqi's were accused of being Israeli. They used 'proof from toder' pointing out that this would be impossible as they were not circumcised.

    Mind you, I understand male genital mutilation was and is still commonly practised in America, even amongst the Goy, so proof from todger might not have worked for Steve's Dad.

  17. @Steve Sailer
    When my dad had to go to Bahrain in the Persian Gulf to fix a Lockheed airliner in the late 1970s, he had to dig up a baptismal certificate from 1917 to prove to the locals that they could be sure he wasn't Jewish.

    That’s funny. It’s like an anti-Aliyah.

  18. I think I remember reading a commenter on here that Haaretz is the “left wing” / social justice warrior newspaper, for SJW israelis. So they probably somehow think that israel’s wall is bad for israel too. Maybe I’m remembering wrong?

    • Replies: @Big Bill
    I wouldn't say Ha'aretz is in favor of eliminating The Wall. They do like to do a lot of hand-wringing about the treatment of goys at the checkpoints, though. Not too much, however. Just enough to know that their heart is in the right (universalist) place. It's like your granny grumbling about how fast you are driving to get her to the airport on time.
    , @Ben Kurtz
    You have it basically right re Ha'aretz. Ha'aretz is NYTimes establishment-lefty in outlook (they circulate the Int'l NYTimes in the Israeli market), and has 6.5% market share. The leading outlets, including Sheldon Adelson's right-wing Israel Hayom and centrist Yedioth Ahronoth have between 30% and 40% each. Ha'aretz gets more attention than it deserves internationally due to its better-established English language side. There's a reason the Netanyahu is PM and not leaving any time soon.

    I'd attribute their hypocrisy to general left-wing hypocrisy (e.g. ever find an Ivy-League liberal who did not live in a mostly-white neighborhood?) and not to anything particularly Jewish or Israeli.
  19. You wrote, “I’ve always admired Israel …”

    That would be because you are fucking moron.

    • Disagree: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Trumpenproleteriat
    You too
    , @Ralph Raico
    On our host being pro-Israel: Steve us no moron, quite the opposite. It's just that he's badly misinformed and, maybe, a touch amoral.
  20. This one is a winner. I think even the media knows not to trumpet this stuff too loudly, because they’ve long been in the tank for Israel, so the American people have swilled the Israeli Kool-Aid; they’re likely to find Trump’s logic persuasive.

    I’ve been saying for years that a truly patriotic American pol could make a lot of hay by doing this, so I’m glad to see Trump taking up the mantle (again).

    Oh, regarding what I was saying about swing states in the “microphone” thread:

    Swing State Polls Show Close Race Between Clinton, Trump

    • Replies: @JSM
    Svig, you rock!

    I had heartburn yesterday about these national polls, until I'd read your comment about the importance of the swing state polls, not the national polls. ( You reminded me that, after all, even if Hillary is winning by yuuuuuuge margins in states she'd win anyway, that can skew national polls without changing electoral college votes one whit.) So, when I saw that Breitbart article you just linked to, I showed it to hubby. We both slept much better.
    , @AnotherDad

    Oh, regarding what I was saying about swing states in the “microphone” thread:

    Swing State Polls Show Close Race Between Clinton, Trump
     
    Wishful thinking. I think this is the most important election of my lifetime--by far--and i'm pulling hugely for the guy who is actually on the side of Americans.

    Trump has a very solid opportunity to win this thing. But Trump has to get a lot better--fast.

    Basically, to get the numbers of college educated suburbanites he needs--particularly white moms--he is going to have to make precisely the case that Enoch Powell lays out in his brilliant speech:

    The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils. In seeking to do so, it encounters obstacles which are deeply rooted in human nature.

    One is that by the very order of things such evils are not demonstrable until they have occurred: at each stage in their onset there is room for doubt and for dispute whether they be real or imaginary. By the same token, they attract little attention in comparison with current troubles, which are both indisputable and pressing: whence the besetting temptation of all politics to concern itself with the immediate present at the expense of the future.

    Above all, people are disposed to mistake predicting troubles for causing troubles and even for desiring troubles: "If only," they love to think, "if only people wouldn't talk about it, it probably wouldn't happen."
     
    Essentially Trump needs to make the case that *his* policies and path will provide a much better *future* for Americans, for our children--the mom appeal--while Hillary is cheerleading us down into the cesspit. And speaking frankly to secure that future "trumps" being "nice".

    If Trump can't get most white moms to understand that their "posterity" is much better off if they vote for him ... he's screwed.
  21. @27 year old
    I think I remember reading a commenter on here that Haaretz is the "left wing" / social justice warrior newspaper, for SJW israelis. So they probably somehow think that israel's wall is bad for israel too. Maybe I'm remembering wrong?

    I wouldn’t say Ha’aretz is in favor of eliminating The Wall. They do like to do a lot of hand-wringing about the treatment of goys at the checkpoints, though. Not too much, however. Just enough to know that their heart is in the right (universalist) place. It’s like your granny grumbling about how fast you are driving to get her to the airport on time.

  22. @Almost Missouri

    "how can you tell someone is Muslim"
     
    Primarily name. Muslims prefer a fairly narrow range of given names.

    Even the family names are in a much narrower range than in the West, due to cousin marriage, and a database of family/clan names by country and religion could be >98% accurate.

    Plus, the identity documents from most Muslim countries--which foreigners should have to present to get a visa--often specify the person's religion explicitly. (Muslim countries racially/ethnically/religiously profile all the time as a matter of policy, but apparently no SJWs care.)

    Finally, for the educated observer, there are smaller tells, such as manner of dress, speech, neighborhood, etc. Locals know this stuff because they are profiling each other all the time. Westerners are oblivious. We don't need to be.

    The Israelis are smart. They just put you racial/ethnic identity on your official ID card. No need for a yellow star or anything.

    • Replies: @Ullastret
    They used to put your ethnic identity on the national ID card (using a limited number of categories), but they don't anymore.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_identity_card#Question_of_ethnicity
  23. I suggest building up relations with non-Muslim places of worship in Muslim countries and requiring a certificate from one of these institutions as proof that the bearer is not a Muslim.

    I suggest removing from our soil all the people from terror-exporting countries that we can, blocking further immigration of same, and profiling the ones that remain. What people in and from those countries say about them is secondary.

    Still, how can you tell someone is Muslim

    In short, who cares?

    I think I remember reading a commenter on here that Haaretz is the “left wing” / social justice warrior newspaper, for SJW israelis.

    Haaretz in English seems like at least as much a site for diaspora Jews as for Israelis.

    • Replies: @Big Bill
    Mess with their heads. As I told a bride at a (truly lovely) Reform Jewish wedding in Skokie, "Aren't you glad you live in America? Your rabbi could go to prison for marrying you and Dovid in Israel."
    , @Corvinus
    "I suggest removing from our soil all the people from terror-exporting countries that we can, blocking further immigration of same, and profiling the ones that remain."

    Well, that's not going to fly, especially if those "people from terror-exporting countries" are American citizens. How do you "suggest" we suspend their liberties?
  24. @Anonymous
    People have no idea how hardcore Israel is.


    My uncle, an economist, is an atheist Turkish-American. He's a citizen who came to this country as a child, went to American schools, universities, etc. He does not maintain property or any kind of political presence in any foreign country. He was working for the IMF/World Bank in Israel.


    My cousins, half-WASP by birth and fully 100% American Christians by citizenship/background/life, were harassed hardcore by Israeli security when they went to visit their parents in Israel. Multiple times, at airports and elsewhere. My male cousin has a Turkish middle name and so they refused to call him by his Christian first name when they were detaining him.

    And these are people with US (and only US) passports and with "ties to the diplomatic community" of the US government if you catch my meaning.

    The Turkish connection explains it:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Headley

    The Boston bombers were US citizens too.

  25. @Steve Sailer
    When my dad had to go to Bahrain in the Persian Gulf to fix a Lockheed airliner in the late 1970s, he had to dig up a baptismal certificate from 1917 to prove to the locals that they could be sure he wasn't Jewish.

    “When my dad had to go to Bahrain in the Persian Gulf to fix a Lockheed airliner in the late 1970s, he had to dig up a baptismal certificate from 1917 to prove to the locals that they could be sure he wasn’t Jewish.”

    When my friend and I were trying to get a visa to enter Iraq from Syria in 1963, the Iraqi consular officer asked us to drop our pants to prove we weren’t Jewish. We just laughed and explained that all males in America are circumcised, which they mostly were back then (not sure today).

    • Replies: @Bill
    The rate of circumcision in the US is still amazingly high:

    Across the 32-year period from 1979 through 2010, the national rate of newborn circumcision declined 10% overall, from 64.5% to 58.3% .
     
    What decline there has been was concentrated in the West. There was no decline in the Northeast.
  26. @Steve Sailer
    When my dad had to go to Bahrain in the Persian Gulf to fix a Lockheed airliner in the late 1970s, he had to dig up a baptismal certificate from 1917 to prove to the locals that they could be sure he wasn't Jewish.

    “When my dad had to go to Bahrain in the Persian Gulf to fix a Lockheed airliner in the late 1970s, he had to dig up a baptismal certificate from 1917 to prove to the locals that they could be sure he wasn’t Jewish.”

    Greg Gutfeld from Fox News said he has gotten a lot of anti-Jewish tweets directed at him on his Twitter page from Muslims because he negatively criticizes Islam a lot. He is actually a WASP, but the last name Gutfeld throws off Muslims. Muslims on Twitter think Greg Gutfeld is a Jew.

    • Replies: @Bee
    Greg Gutfeld's paternal grandfather was Jewish, but Greg was raised Catholic. Same as Rachel Maddow exactly.

    These days, you pretty much have to be Catholic to host a talk show (whether MSNBC, Fox, or late night).

    Greg is also a little bit Mexican. He's got a big California melting pot in his ancestry.
  27. @Anonymous
    People have no idea how hardcore Israel is.


    My uncle, an economist, is an atheist Turkish-American. He's a citizen who came to this country as a child, went to American schools, universities, etc. He does not maintain property or any kind of political presence in any foreign country. He was working for the IMF/World Bank in Israel.


    My cousins, half-WASP by birth and fully 100% American Christians by citizenship/background/life, were harassed hardcore by Israeli security when they went to visit their parents in Israel. Multiple times, at airports and elsewhere. My male cousin has a Turkish middle name and so they refused to call him by his Christian first name when they were detaining him.

    And these are people with US (and only US) passports and with "ties to the diplomatic community" of the US government if you catch my meaning.

    Yikes.

    Reminds me of when I was returning from Canada to the US on a bus. I have a rare surname and the CBP agent asked me if I was related to the retired senator with my name. I said yes, he’s my cousin. The agent then asked me if I had a close relationship with my cousin, and I told him the truth: no.

    He looked at me for a second then asked me to open my bag so he could inspect it.

    I assume that he would not have looked in my bag if I had said I was close with my cousin…

  28. @Jefferson
    "When my dad had to go to Bahrain in the Persian Gulf to fix a Lockheed airliner in the late 1970s, he had to dig up a baptismal certificate from 1917 to prove to the locals that they could be sure he wasn’t Jewish."

    Greg Gutfeld from Fox News said he has gotten a lot of anti-Jewish tweets directed at him on his Twitter page from Muslims because he negatively criticizes Islam a lot. He is actually a WASP, but the last name Gutfeld throws off Muslims. Muslims on Twitter think Greg Gutfeld is a Jew.

    Greg Gutfeld’s paternal grandfather was Jewish, but Greg was raised Catholic. Same as Rachel Maddow exactly.

    These days, you pretty much have to be Catholic to host a talk show (whether MSNBC, Fox, or late night).

    Greg is also a little bit Mexican. He’s got a big California melting pot in his ancestry.

    • Replies: @Dr. Krieger
    Given the words and actions of the current Blaspheming Pope, I'm not altogether sure that the Catholic Church can even be considered Christian anymore.
  29. This was a great article Mr. Sailer. You should probably take it easy though. If people get into a habit of writing about Jewish hypocrisy, there is a good chance of world-wide server meltdowns.

    Do you really want to be responsible for destroying the Internet?

  30. Why do you read or quote Haaretz? Almost no one in Israel does. It is by far the least read of any of the “major” Israeli papers, although it is certainly read by the left wing professors of Tel Aviv. In 2011 it had a 5.8% market share and it has dropped ever since. (essentially Israel is one market – think of it as a large US city) It is a nothing but an even more poorly read NY Times in Hebrew and with the same prejudices. If they are against Trump, rest assured the other 97% of Israel thinks Trump is great.

    • Replies: @SFG
    It's in English? He's not going to read Hebrew right-wing papers. It does give a biased look though.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Why do you read or quote Haaretz? Almost no one in Israel does. It is by far the least read of any of the “major” Israeli papers, although it is certainly read by the left wing professors of Tel Aviv. In 2011 it had a 5.8% market share and it has dropped ever since. (essentially Israel is one market – think of it as a large US city) It is a nothing but an even more poorly read NY Times in Hebrew and with the same prejudices. If they are against Trump, rest assured the other 97% of Israel thinks Trump is great."

    New York Times circulation is just under 1.4 million (as of 2014), less than 0.5% of the adult population of the United States. Undoubtedly there are a lot of on-line readers too, but still not that many compared to the population at large. Still the Times is an "opinion leader"; it is read by people with influence. Haaretz is reputed to have a similar stature in Israel.
    , @Olorin

    In 2011 it had a 5.8% market share
     
    A market share only slightly smaller than the population share that all flavors of gays (3.8%), Muslims (.9%) and Jews (1.4%) have in the US. And we never cease hearing about homophobia, Islamophobia, and the holocaust.

    Back in 2011 I think it was, "Frugal Dad" (blogger) pointed out in his excellent infographic on media consolidation that, at the time, 232 media executives control "the information diet" of 277 million Americans.

    That's a population share of .0008375 percent.

    The whole point of MSM today is to have the smallest market share with the biggest impact. It's about delivering some content to the few and much content to the many. And then there are the few in charge of propagandizing the many, as you note:

    although it is certainly read by the left wing professors of Tel Aviv.
     

    OT maybe: I noted this morning while looking at Haaretz that the pop-out teaser to get me to subscribe showed Michelangelo's Creation of David from the Sistine Chapel ceiling and under it, "How the Jews created God and made him great." You have to admit, that's some serious brass-naddery...demonstrating that the whole Jewish thing is not about God at all, at least for Haaretz readers. I.e., not about religion.
  31. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Trump blows. He should’ve been all over the phony transcript of the Orlando 911 call released by the Ministry of Truth.

    Instead his Twitter congratulated the winning PGA golfer and not much else.

    So Rick Scott and Paul Ryan got credit for forcing Obama to release a full transcript.

    Trump blows another one!

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    "Trump blows. He should’ve been all over the phony transcript of the Orlando 911 call released by the Ministry of Truth."

    Let me tell ya', not only won't Mr. Obama name the enemy, he won't even let the enemy name the enemy (ba doom-boom!)

    The Attorney General explained the redaction of the 9-1-1 transcript as preventing the perpetrator from spreading propaganda . . . for the Trump presidential campaign (swish!)
    , @Bill
    No, that's exactly the kind of retarded triviality that the cucks thrive on. Obama made the donkeys look like idiot school marms, and Paul Ryan pulled his mincing little smart-alek routine.
  32. @Bee
    Greg Gutfeld's paternal grandfather was Jewish, but Greg was raised Catholic. Same as Rachel Maddow exactly.

    These days, you pretty much have to be Catholic to host a talk show (whether MSNBC, Fox, or late night).

    Greg is also a little bit Mexican. He's got a big California melting pot in his ancestry.

    Given the words and actions of the current Blaspheming Pope, I’m not altogether sure that the Catholic Church can even be considered Christian anymore.

    • Agree: BB753, schmenz
    • Replies: @Hibernian
    We keep the Sabbath...

    ... and anything else we can get our hands on.
  33. @Anonymous
    See my comment if it was published.


    My cousins have never been to a mosque. They were born in the US, have US passports and are mainline Christian protestants. They don't speak Arabic (or Turkish or anything else besides French, German and Russian).


    Their names were enough to trigger Israeli bullying despite US passports and very good, easily confirmed reasons for being in Israel.


    So yeah, the Israelis don't err on the side of being nice. They err on the side of "American? Diplomatic luggage? F*** you, who do you know in Turkey, [name my cousin has never used]?"

    Of course, my cousin was a bit confused about what kind of information to give. He does know a second cousin from Turkey. Who went to Eton and Oxford and lives in Manhattan.

    That confusion could have been avoided if your extended family hadn’t been allowed to settle in Anglosphere countries in the first place.

    But since it has, alas, we have to say that your minor inconvenience was not very terrible when compared to having family members killed or being maimed. Or do you think otherwise?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    My cousins, descendants of multiple signatories to the declaration of Independence, should not be treated like criminals and harassed by our junior partners whom they protect.

    So yeah, I disagree. I don't need non-anglosphere allies who have no respect for American passports. Let them eat solitude then.
    , @snorlax
    That's really unnecessary. I'm all for banning Muslims (or immigration in general, really), but I'm not in the slightest worried about atheist Turkish economists who've worked for the IMF in Israel.

    The Turks are one of the cases (with the Persians, Chechens, Albanians etc.) where the problem is almost entirely with Islam (which, to their credit, they never fully embraced, at least until recently) rather than the human capital.

    They were, once, a great civilization. They were, by far, the most recent non-Christian or East Asian civilization to be great. They came closer than any other worthy foe to supplanting European civilization (by traditional military means). Many of their cultural achievements remain impressive today, particularly in the fields of architecture, textiles and cuisine ("Greek" or "Mediterranean" food is almost entirely Turkish in origin, as is coffee).

    A substantial minority are pro-social and culturally European, and, with them, I don't have any particular beef.

  34. I don’t suppose Mr Trump could take a step back and see that all the problems we are now having with radical Muslims has to do with our one-sided policies in the Holy Land.

    No, I didn’t think so.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    "all the problems we are now having with radical Muslims has to do with our one-sided policies in the Holy Land."

    Makes sense. They behave so well every other place where they live such as France, Belgium, the UK, Sweden.
    , @AnotherDad

    I don’t suppose Mr Trump could take a step back and see that all the problems we are now having with radical Muslims has to do with our one-sided policies in the Holy Land.
     
    "All the problems?" Dude, put down the pipe.

    Sure our generous support of Israel riles up the natives a bit extra. But muslims are unhappy and behaving badly in the Philippines, Thailand, with non-muslims in Indonesia, Timor, India, Pakistan, Britain, France, Belgium, Germany ... Sweden for God's sake.

    The US is--or was--part of the West. It's a different civilization. And Muslim civilization has practically grown up at war with, in opposition to, the West.

    If Israel, heck if every Jew, disappeared tomorrow--muslims would still be pissed and causing trouble with us. Heck if every white person disappeared tomorrow, muslims would still be causing trouble--probably more trouble!--everywhere they are in contact with non-muslims.

    It's what they do. It is "who they are".
  35. @carol
    Still, how can you tell someone is Muslim. Is this on the passport? Otherwise what you're really looking for is swarthy ME types.

    I’m good with using percent Muslim nationality and banning some Africans and SE Asians in addition.

    Of course, with the influx of “refugees” to Europe, it might be fortress America time.

    Want a visa? Please come from Poland or Japan only. Thank you.

  36. @Steve Sailer
    When my dad had to go to Bahrain in the Persian Gulf to fix a Lockheed airliner in the late 1970s, he had to dig up a baptismal certificate from 1917 to prove to the locals that they could be sure he wasn't Jewish.

    Reminds me of a story…

    Driving through the desert from Lebanon to Damascus with my wife years ago, we were stopped at a dusty border checkpoint that looked like something from a Beau Geste movie: nothing around this little fortification but wind, dust and tumbleweeds. Inside, there was a noisy throng of Arabs waving their transit papers under the noses of the impassive uniformed border officials. I got some blank forms and began filling them out. Name? Nationality? Religion? Tribe? (“American?”) Clan? Father’s name?

    My wife’s father’s name was Paul. Then it struck (heh) me that we were on the Road to Damascus. On my wife’s form, I couldn’t resist writing, “Paul, formerly Saul”, and I handed it to the mustachioed, stone-faced officer who seemed to be in charge. When I told my wife what I’d done, she nearly had a nervous breakdown. But of course we were waved through without any repercussions.

  37. Somebody should write a book on The Gifts of the Muslims, cataloging their many contributions to first world civilization.

    Then next they could do the Puerto Ricans and then the Somalis.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Careful, a lot of the classical works were preserved by Arab scholars. They also did a lot of early scientific work. Their civilization only entered its hidebound phase in the eleventh century or so. Blame al-Ghazali.

    Just because Western Civ is superior to the Islamic version doesn't mean it was *always* so.

    , @Corvinus
    "Somebody should write a book on The Gifts of the Muslims, cataloging their many contributions to first world civilization."

    First world civilization, what does this even mean to the average American today? Who even speaks in those terms?
    , @ben tillman

    Somebody should write a book on The Gifts of the Muslims, cataloging their many contributions to first world civilization.
     
    A Muslim named Ibn Khaldun wrote a book called Muqaddimah.

    The end.


    Please let me know if you find a publisher for my work.

  38. @Almost Missouri

    "how can you tell someone is Muslim"
     
    Primarily name. Muslims prefer a fairly narrow range of given names.

    Even the family names are in a much narrower range than in the West, due to cousin marriage, and a database of family/clan names by country and religion could be >98% accurate.

    Plus, the identity documents from most Muslim countries--which foreigners should have to present to get a visa--often specify the person's religion explicitly. (Muslim countries racially/ethnically/religiously profile all the time as a matter of policy, but apparently no SJWs care.)

    Finally, for the educated observer, there are smaller tells, such as manner of dress, speech, neighborhood, etc. Locals know this stuff because they are profiling each other all the time. Westerners are oblivious. We don't need to be.

    Locals in Muslim countries are so good at profiling that not only do they know who is Muslim, they know what sect and sub-sect.

    E.g.,

    Me: That guy’s a Muslim, right?

    Local: Yes, he is a Shia of the Twelver sect. They are crazy. We don’t let them in our village.

    • Replies: @Big Bill
    It's the same the world over. Ask the Hutu about the Tutsi, the Igbo about the Yoruba, the Xhosa about the Zulu, and vice-versa. Stereotyping doesn't seem to guilt any of them.
    , @anonymous
    Shia tend to have distinct combinations of suspect first names, last names, colorful clothing, and jewelry(color gemstone rings and mini-sword necklaces) that make them really easy to spot.
  39. @Dr. Krieger
    Given the words and actions of the current Blaspheming Pope, I'm not altogether sure that the Catholic Church can even be considered Christian anymore.

    We keep the Sabbath…

    … and anything else we can get our hands on.

  40. @gruff
    What a time to be alive!

    This is THE definition of a low-trust society. The entire Middle East is very very low trust. Even the countries that are 100% Muslim.

    Now our leaders would like to import it here. Lots of people are going to get killed until our the high-trust liberals wise up.

    They haven’t all wised up even in Israel. Haaretz is as bad as the New York Times.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "This is THE definition of a low-trust society. The entire Middle East is very very low trust. Even the countries that are 100% Muslim.

    Now our leaders would like to import it here. Lots of people are going to get killed until our the high-trust liberals wise up."

    Left Wing articles blame Whites and residential segregation for America becoming a very low trust society and not DIEversity/changing racial demographics due to Left Wing immigration policies.
  41. @Steve Sailer
    When my dad had to go to Bahrain in the Persian Gulf to fix a Lockheed airliner in the late 1970s, he had to dig up a baptismal certificate from 1917 to prove to the locals that they could be sure he wasn't Jewish.

    In Gulf War 1, some UK special forces guys captured by the Iraqi’s were accused of being Israeli. They proved they were not by ‘proof from todger’ pointing out that this would be impossible as they were not circumcised.

    Mind you, I understand male genital mutilation is still commonly practised in America, even amongst the Goy, so this might not have worked for Steve’s Dad.

  42. @Steve Sailer
    When my dad had to go to Bahrain in the Persian Gulf to fix a Lockheed airliner in the late 1970s, he had to dig up a baptismal certificate from 1917 to prove to the locals that they could be sure he wasn't Jewish.

    In Gulf War 1, some UK special forces guys captured Scud hunting behind the lines by the Iraqi’s were accused of being Israeli. They used ‘proof from toder’ pointing out that this would be impossible as they were not circumcised.

    Mind you, I understand male genital mutilation was and is still commonly practised in America, even amongst the Goy, so proof from todger might not have worked for Steve’s Dad.

  43. Bee says:

    In the linked Taki artcle, Steve wrote:
    “For example, it appears to be widely assumed that Trump, like the little child in Hans Christian Andersen’s The Emperor’s New Clothes, could blurt out that, say, the reason blacks get in trouble with the police so much is because they murder people at seven to eight times the rate of whites. Or Trump could mention the highly relevant fact that Jews, despite being only one-fiftieth of the population, make up one-third or more of the Forbes 400.”

    Obviously, murdering people is bad and is a problem.

    But what are we to making of the fact that one third of the Forbes 400 are Jewish? Is this “bad” on the part of the Jews? If Trump were to say the above fact, would this be a “problem” to be “addressed”? Would the U.S. then implement laws to take money away from those super-wealthy Jews, as well as to put in other laws making sure Jews don’t become billionaires ever again?

    Of course, taxes to redistribute income from the very rich are one thing – but presumably you would tax them regardless of their ethnic background (and obviously, I’m pretty sure most American Jews support such taxes – ask Bernie Sanders).

    What’s also interesting is that out of the top 25 American billionaires, every single one whose wealth was inherited was non-Jewish. Most of the top Jewish billionaires have companies that “make something” – Oracle, Facebook, Bloomberg, Google, etc. – people who became billionaires because a mass of Americans chose to indulge in their products.

    Interesting that mass murder and making a lot of money selling products that people buy are considered equal offenses against the American character.

    • Replies: @Thea
    White men being sucessful is double plus not good and sign of unearned priveledge, despite being the majority.

    So what to make of Jewish success? It is a riddle wrapped in an enigma.
    , @Stealth
    For the most part, people resent Jewish success because they feel that a good portion of it is the result of cronyism among Jews themselves and favoritism on the part of certain white gentiles.

    There is some evidence that this is at least partially the case. There are already three Jews on the Supreme Court, for instance. Obama's latest nominee is a potential number four. The last three Fed chairmen have been Jewish. You can say that's a result of them being smarter than the rest of us, but that explanation just doesn't hold water when you take into account what a small percentage of the population Jewish people are. Both Asians and Ashkenazi Jews are smarter on average than white gentiles, but there are probably a hundred and seventy or eighty million white gentiles in the United States; the idea that there just aren't any non-Jewish American whites who are qualified to occupy these positions is nuts. And that's just the political realm.

    You would expect such a talented group to be over-represented, but not to such an astounding degree. No man is an island, and no success is one hundred percent individually earned.
    , @Ozymandias
    "Interesting that mass murder and making a lot of money selling products that people buy are considered equal offenses against the American character."

    The only place they are being equated as offenses against the American character is in your sophomoric rhetoric. The point being made about Jews is that they are the most powerful group in the country, not the oppressed minority that The Narrative is constantly attempting to portray them as. But then you already knew that before you started your nonsense. Or maybe I'm wrong and you really are as dense as you're pretending to be.
    , @Lurker

    Most of the top Jewish billionaires have companies that “make something” – Oracle, Facebook, Bloomberg, Google, etc. – people who became billionaires because a mass of Americans chose to indulge in their products.
     
    M'kay. . . and when the offspring of the founders inherit, where will they come in the rankings?
  44. @anonymous
    Trump blows. He should've been all over the phony transcript of the Orlando 911 call released by the Ministry of Truth.

    Instead his Twitter congratulated the winning PGA golfer and not much else.

    So Rick Scott and Paul Ryan got credit for forcing Obama to release a full transcript.

    Trump blows another one!

    “Trump blows. He should’ve been all over the phony transcript of the Orlando 911 call released by the Ministry of Truth.”

    Let me tell ya’, not only won’t Mr. Obama name the enemy, he won’t even let the enemy name the enemy (ba doom-boom!)

    The Attorney General explained the redaction of the 9-1-1 transcript as preventing the perpetrator from spreading propaganda . . . for the Trump presidential campaign (swish!)

  45. @Svigor

    I suggest building up relations with non-Muslim places of worship in Muslim countries and requiring a certificate from one of these institutions as proof that the bearer is not a Muslim.
     
    I suggest removing from our soil all the people from terror-exporting countries that we can, blocking further immigration of same, and profiling the ones that remain. What people in and from those countries say about them is secondary.

    Still, how can you tell someone is Muslim
     
    In short, who cares?

    I think I remember reading a commenter on here that Haaretz is the “left wing” / social justice warrior newspaper, for SJW israelis.
     
    Haaretz in English seems like at least as much a site for diaspora Jews as for Israelis.

    Mess with their heads. As I told a bride at a (truly lovely) Reform Jewish wedding in Skokie, “Aren’t you glad you live in America? Your rabbi could go to prison for marrying you and Dovid in Israel.”

    • Replies: @Jimi Shmendrix
    What's your deal @Big Bill? Are you one of them Noam Chomsky/Bernie Sanders types who came here for awhile and was the only guy on the kibbutz who managed to not get laid, thereby leading to a lifetime of disenchantment with your Zionist (wet) dream?
    , @SFG
    Being mean to the bride at a wedding? Unless it's Debbie Wasserstein or someone actively involved in selling out the country that seems a little harsh.
  46. @Luke Ford
    Somebody should write a book on The Gifts of the Muslims, cataloging their many contributions to first world civilization.

    Then next they could do the Puerto Ricans and then the Somalis.

    Careful, a lot of the classical works were preserved by Arab scholars. They also did a lot of early scientific work. Their civilization only entered its hidebound phase in the eleventh century or so. Blame al-Ghazali.

    Just because Western Civ is superior to the Islamic version doesn’t mean it was *always* so.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    byzantine/chinese civilization was still superior even during the islamic golden age
    , @Discard
    Why do Moslems get credit for preserving classical texts, when the Greek-speaking Byzantines had them all along, in the original language?
    , @Karl
    >> Careful, a lot of the classical works were preserved by Arab scholars


    they =published= in Arabic.

    As you recall, Isaac Newton published his books in Latin.
    , @Big Bill
    Meh. So the Muslims were good librarians for a couple centuries. I guess we should be thankful they didn't burn the books they pillaged.
    , @HA
    > They also did a lot of early scientific work. Their civilization only entered its hidebound phase in the eleventh century or so.Blame al-Ghazali.

    There's more to Islam's intellectual decay than can be blamed on al-Ghazali (or on Mongols, or on the inbreeding from all those cousin marriages). While al-Ghazali denounced philosophers, he had no beef with harder sciences.

    Moreover, when it comes to Islam's early scientific advances, it's worth noting that the area around the Fertile Crescent -- say, from Egypt to Persia -- had been the epicenter of civilization, and pretty much at or close to the peak of it, for thousands of years before Islam came along. It's no surprise that Islam would coast on that legacy for at least a few centuries. What is more remarkable is the squalor that that part of the world fell into under Islam's aegis, and that would still be there were it not for petrodollars. Especially given that it decayed all the while that the so-called barbarians of Europe were being transformed by Christianity into a civilization that far surpassed the Roman one they overran.

    Eric Cheney's thesis, that Sunni madrassas helped turn the tide, seems more robust than blaming al-Ghazali (though it's possible that the latter's legacy helped stultify those madrassas in the first place). As in the case of cousin marriages, that may be too politically incorrect a thesis to ever gain traction. But that doesn't make it wrong.

  47. @cwhatfuture
    Why do you read or quote Haaretz? Almost no one in Israel does. It is by far the least read of any of the "major" Israeli papers, although it is certainly read by the left wing professors of Tel Aviv. In 2011 it had a 5.8% market share and it has dropped ever since. (essentially Israel is one market - think of it as a large US city) It is a nothing but an even more poorly read NY Times in Hebrew and with the same prejudices. If they are against Trump, rest assured the other 97% of Israel thinks Trump is great.

    It’s in English? He’s not going to read Hebrew right-wing papers. It does give a biased look though.

  48. I watched the Mike Huckabee interview. It seems that he has the radical idea that Americans could benefit from having Israeli-style immigration and security policies (Ann Coulter has also expressed this radical idea). We need Charles Krauthammer, Max Boot, and Jennifer Rubin to explain why this is a radical, un-America idea, that only anti-Semitic lunatics have!

  49. @Almost Missouri
    Locals in Muslim countries are so good at profiling that not only do they know who is Muslim, they know what sect and sub-sect.

    E.g.,

    Me: That guy's a Muslim, right?

    Local: Yes, he is a Shia of the Twelver sect. They are crazy. We don't let them in our village.

    It’s the same the world over. Ask the Hutu about the Tutsi, the Igbo about the Yoruba, the Xhosa about the Zulu, and vice-versa. Stereotyping doesn’t seem to guilt any of them.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    It’s the same the world over. Ask the Hutu about the Tutsi, the Igbo about the Yoruba, the Xhosa about the Zulu, and vice-versa. Stereotyping doesn’t seem to guilt any of them.
     
    Discrimination between self and non-self is the function of the immune system. The fact that our societal immune system has been inactivated or, indeed, inverted (to favor non-self over self) makes us an outlier.
  50. Aren’t most Israelis “swarthy ME types”? How is it going to look when airports start singling out Jews for police interrogation?

  51. @bomag
    Does this article even need comments? Practically every line translates as, "yes, Israel is a success, but don't copy us."

    “Do as we say, not as we do.”

  52. @carol
    Still, how can you tell someone is Muslim. Is this on the passport? Otherwise what you're really looking for is swarthy ME types.

    Ugh, so much discussion and so many wrong answers. You ban immigrants from COUNTRIES which have a history of terrorism and antagonism to the US. This in fact is what the Trump team has moved towards, but I’m not gonna look it up right now. There is no way they ever could or would ban “Muslims,” per se.

    • Replies: @Greenstalk
    You ban immigrants from COUNTRIES which have a history of terrorism and antagonism to the US. This in fact is what the Trump team has moved towards, but I’m not gonna look it up right now. There is no way they ever could or would ban “Muslims,” per se.

    Then you'd have to ban immigration from countries like France, Sweden, and Britain, which have large populations of radical Muslims. Why not just ban the group of people causing the problem ... which is Muslims?

    When people say "You can't ban Muslims immigrants" it sounds a lot like "You can't deport illegals". What they really mean is "I don't think you should do X", not that X is actually not possible.
  53. @Frau Katze
    This is THE definition of a low-trust society. The entire Middle East is very very low trust. Even the countries that are 100% Muslim.

    Now our leaders would like to import it here. Lots of people are going to get killed until our the high-trust liberals wise up.

    They haven't all wised up even in Israel. Haaretz is as bad as the New York Times.

    “This is THE definition of a low-trust society. The entire Middle East is very very low trust. Even the countries that are 100% Muslim.

    Now our leaders would like to import it here. Lots of people are going to get killed until our the high-trust liberals wise up.”

    Left Wing articles blame Whites and residential segregation for America becoming a very low trust society and not DIEversity/changing racial demographics due to Left Wing immigration policies.

  54. In a campaign speech in the immediate aftermath of the Orlando attack, presumptive GOP nominee Trump reiterated his call for a temporary ban, but modified it by saying that immigration should be curbed from countries with a history is Islamic radicalism.

    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/14/reuters-half-likely-voters-want-temporarily-ban-muslims-us/

  55. @carol
    Still, how can you tell someone is Muslim. Is this on the passport? Otherwise what you're really looking for is swarthy ME types.

    Require all visa applicants to eat a BLT.

  56. @Chrisnonymous
    That confusion could have been avoided if your extended family hadn't been allowed to settle in Anglosphere countries in the first place.

    But since it has, alas, we have to say that your minor inconvenience was not very terrible when compared to having family members killed or being maimed. Or do you think otherwise?

    My cousins, descendants of multiple signatories to the declaration of Independence, should not be treated like criminals and harassed by our junior partners whom they protect.

    So yeah, I disagree. I don’t need non-anglosphere allies who have no respect for American passports. Let them eat solitude then.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    I grew up near the Canadian border and have always been annoyed at the inconvenience of being questioned about my travel when I visit Canada. But I always keep my mouth shut because I recognize that my distaste is, objectively, not very important compared to clamping down on drug smuggling, illegal aliens, etc.

    On the other hand, I have a friend who travels on a special passport status granted by working for an international governmental body. He takes questioning by border guards poorly and condescends to them. It has always been obvious to me that, for him, in addition to annoyance at being treated like a possible criminal, there's an element of social signaling and status competition with the border guards. He gets upset that someone like him, like him, can be slowed down by people with a mere high school education.

    So, I understand where you're coming from, but I don't agree that the convenience and comfort of your non-Israeli cousins should weigh very much in the mind of Israelis against the lives of Israelis.
  57. @Chris Mallory
    Since all the 9/11 hijackers, the Orlando shooter, the Fort Hood shooter, the San Bernardino shooter, the first set of WTC bombers, and the Chattanooga shooter were all swarthy ME types, it seems a good place to start. I have yet to see a gray haired, white grandmother hijack a plane or commit a mass shooting. Yet the TSA treats both of them the same.

    Cut out the swarthy ME types, then end immigration by Africans and South Asians. Ship the Central Americans back and build the wall. Soon many of our problems will be solved.

    I’m a nice white, blue-eyed, aging mommy and I got singled out for extra inspection at the airport. Seems the zipper in my jeans is made of metal, or something, so they had an annoyed-looking woman put her hand in my pants just to make sure I didn’t have a .38 special down there.

    If I’d had my wits about me I would have asked her out on a date.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    My girlfriend refuses to go through the airport scanners, opting instead for the pat-down. When we were travelling to Orlando for my brother's wedding I couldn't believe that the Logan TSA made her, a tall, slender woman wearing a tight tank top and one of her tightest pairs of skinny jeans, unzip her fly so they could grope her crotch area. I got some dirty looks for asking if she got a cigarette after that.

    Me, I travel to Florida on a regular basis to visit family, and I get pulled out of line for extra abuse every single time, in both Orlando and Tampa. The girlfriend has posited that it might be that I, being a large,semi-swarthy guy who passes for just about any Mediterranean look, fit some sort of Iranian weightlifter/wrestler profile. I thought it was just the middle-aged single guy demographic. Then, passing through security in Orlando after the aforementioned wedding, I clear without a glance. I laughed and thanked her for making me less of a security risk, whereupon we were approached by two TSA guys who proceeded to swab my hands for explosive residue!

  58. @Almost Missouri
    Locals in Muslim countries are so good at profiling that not only do they know who is Muslim, they know what sect and sub-sect.

    E.g.,

    Me: That guy's a Muslim, right?

    Local: Yes, he is a Shia of the Twelver sect. They are crazy. We don't let them in our village.

    Shia tend to have distinct combinations of suspect first names, last names, colorful clothing, and jewelry(color gemstone rings and mini-sword necklaces) that make them really easy to spot.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    Yet it's Sunni who seem to provide most of the terrorist personnel.
  59. @SFG
    Careful, a lot of the classical works were preserved by Arab scholars. They also did a lot of early scientific work. Their civilization only entered its hidebound phase in the eleventh century or so. Blame al-Ghazali.

    Just because Western Civ is superior to the Islamic version doesn't mean it was *always* so.

    byzantine/chinese civilization was still superior even during the islamic golden age

    • Replies: @helena
    According to China's number 1 billionaire, via CNBC Inside Asia the other day, China led civilisation across the world for 2000 years up until 300 yrs ago.
  60. Speaking of Jews and the insidious apartheid of Israel:

    Israeli Intelligence chief: We do not want ISIS defeat in Syria
    By News Desk – 20/06/2016

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/israeli-intelligence-chief-not-want-isis-defeat-syria/

  61. @metoo
    You wrote, "I’ve always admired Israel ..."

    That would be because you are fucking moron.

    You too

  62. @Anonymous
    People have no idea how hardcore Israel is.


    My uncle, an economist, is an atheist Turkish-American. He's a citizen who came to this country as a child, went to American schools, universities, etc. He does not maintain property or any kind of political presence in any foreign country. He was working for the IMF/World Bank in Israel.


    My cousins, half-WASP by birth and fully 100% American Christians by citizenship/background/life, were harassed hardcore by Israeli security when they went to visit their parents in Israel. Multiple times, at airports and elsewhere. My male cousin has a Turkish middle name and so they refused to call him by his Christian first name when they were detaining him.

    And these are people with US (and only US) passports and with "ties to the diplomatic community" of the US government if you catch my meaning.

    I’m a Jewish American, and when I was single, and traveled to Israel alone, I was given a difficult time. I was taken to a small room, I was asked what I did on my Bar Mitzvah and given other questions about Jewish ritual practice, most of which I did not know. I even had to give hand writing samples. (This all ended after I was married and travelled with my wife). But I did not get angry at the questioning. I knew it was for my own protection as Muslims have the very nasty habit of trying to smuggle explosive devices onto Israeli commercial planes. There was even one Muslim who put a bomb in the luggage of his pregnant Irish Catholic “fiancé” and told her he would meet her in Tel Aviv. The questioning of this poor, innocent, Irish Catholic girl is how they found the bomb. Any intelligent person, especially someone with CIA ties, would understand this is not bullying but a practiced way to ferret out very bad people. I also find your reference to “airports” (pl) to be quite odd. Flights from the US land at one single airport in Israel – Ben Gurion. Where were these other “airports” they landed at when visiting?

    • Agree: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "There was even one Muslim who put a bomb in the luggage of his pregnant Irish Catholic “fiancé” and told her he would meet her in Tel Aviv. The questioning of this poor, innocent, Irish Catholic girl is how they found the bomb."

    If she was going to marry a Muslim man than she was no longer an Irish Catholic, she was just Irish and a convert to Islam.

    Even if she didn't marry him, she probably ended up with another Muslim man.

    White women who dig Muslim men tend to exclusively only date/marry Muslim men, just look at Barack Hussein Obama's mama. She got impregnated by a Kenyan Muslim and later married an Indonesian Muslim.

    The irony is that it is Left Wing White women who tend to be attracted to Islamic patriarchy. Once they go Muhammad they can't stop it.

    I can't see White female Right Wingers like Katherine Timpf and Andrea Tantaros for example marrying Muslim men.
    , @Anonymous
    As an investigator and someone familiar with airline security I can tell you that the only way to elicit nefarious intentions is through extensive questioning. The TSA's $200 million/year behavioral detection program is a huge waste of money. It is based on a bogus theory of non-verbal communication (micro-expressions) of psychologist Paul Ekman (Ph.D., Adelphi University). El Al has 40 flights a day. There are 40k flights in the U.S. per day. It is impractical for the TSA to use large-scale extensive questioning. Or even small-scale questioning. And TSA's policy is to treat a U.S. Senator or 90-year old WWII veteran with the same level of security screening as a 20-year old male coming through on a Saudi passport. So adding this extra questioning would shut down airlines. Plus, TSA would have no one qualified to do the questioning. TSA inspectors are made up of former TSA supervisors, the majority of whom have no college degree and were working at Home Depot or Walmart prior to being hired by TSA at $27k/year. The TSA would be a million times more effective if they scrapped the behavioral detection program and brought in bomb-sniffing dogs at the checkpoints and baggage screening areas.
  63. @Jefferson
    "Still, how can you tell someone is Muslim. Is this on the passport? Otherwise what you’re really looking for is swarthy ME types."

    Not many people with Nordic Scandinaving looking phenotypes become Islamic Jihadists. So it is a lot easier to racially profile Muslim terrorists when the vast majority of them are various shades of Brown people and swarthy people.

    Even the Whitest looking Muslim terrorists The Tsarnaev Brothers do not look like blond Aryans from a Nazi Germany poster.

    Dzhokhar Tsarnaev looks like he could be Bob Dylan's son and his brother looks like he works at a Greek restaurant.

    According to Masha Gessen, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is Black.

    The Wikipedia photo of “a Chechen fighter” looks fairly Scandinavian.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Ramzan Kadyrov looks like a high school football coach in Ohio.
    , @Jefferson
    "The Wikipedia photo of “a Chechen fighter” looks fairly Scandinavian."

    Before I classify him as Scandinavian looking, I have to see his hair color first because his head is covered. I also need to a closer look at his eyes to see what color they are.

    The only thing I see is pale skin, but pale skin alone is not enough to make someone Scandinaving looking.

    I have pale skin, but I still don't look Scandinavian because my hair is too dark and I have a Roman nose.

    "According to Masha Gessen, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is Black"

    Mediterranean looking people are called "Black" by many Russians.

  64. Huh. Here I thought Sheldon Adelson was the epitome of the evil Jewish “nationalism for me but not for thee”, but it turns out he backs Trump. Will Steve start being nice to Sheldon now?

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    Maybe Sheldon will start writing the checks that Donald is obviously so reluctant to write.

    Granted, real-estate wealth, especially leveraged real-estate assets, can be very illiquid so Trump may have a paucity of available funds for that reason, but I've always assumed that Trump is not nearly as rich as he makes himself out to be.

    It's also been the long time default assumption about Trump in New York circles. Not that there's anything wrong with that, especially if you are hustling for business and you need that particular image in order to play the game.

    Yes, I know about campaign finance laws. But the possibilities are quite broad, these days.

  65. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Still, how can you tell someone is Muslim. Is this on the passport? Otherwise what you’re really looking for is swarthy ME types”

    Well, we can get to the moon but we can’t solve this problem… isn’t that special.

    Intelligence is based on pattern recognition. How the sheep detect a tiger, how the tigers detect a sheep. It’s what brains do. If it looks like a snake and acts like a snake, it might really be a snake. Maybe there are tigers that are trying to express their inner sheep, but they probably starve pretty fast eating grass.

    I think in the past, in addition to documentation, border, customs, and visa people actually talked to people. It wasn’t just a glassy-eyed stamping ritual.

    In the past people solved these problems, so we can do it! Yes we can!

    I’m a bit reluctant to bring it up, but we don’t really have this problem any more. There are only something like 7 to 8 billion people on the planet. Small computer database these days. Computer facial detection is getting pretty good. Fingerprinting is apparently very good. Retina scans have a lot of promise. There are other things. Point being, everyone on the planet is probably pretty close to living with “their papers” and “permanent record” all the time today already, only all the papers are in government computers. So the governments just share (probably in a limited way) their computer data… problem mostly solved, but not in a nice way… of course, all the governments in the low-trust societies of the world have probably already sold their files to marketing companies… pretty depressing, eh?

    • Agree: ben tillman
  66. @jtgw
    Huh. Here I thought Sheldon Adelson was the epitome of the evil Jewish "nationalism for me but not for thee", but it turns out he backs Trump. Will Steve start being nice to Sheldon now?

    Maybe Sheldon will start writing the checks that Donald is obviously so reluctant to write.

    Granted, real-estate wealth, especially leveraged real-estate assets, can be very illiquid so Trump may have a paucity of available funds for that reason, but I’ve always assumed that Trump is not nearly as rich as he makes himself out to be.

    It’s also been the long time default assumption about Trump in New York circles. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, especially if you are hustling for business and you need that particular image in order to play the game.

    Yes, I know about campaign finance laws. But the possibilities are quite broad, these days.

  67. @Robert Hume
    I suggest building up relations with non-Muslim places of worship in Muslim countries and requiring a certificate from one of these institutions as proof that the bearer is not a Muslim.

    “and requiring a certificate from one of these institutions as proof that the bearer is not a Muslim.”

    Yes, and they always have some sort of marking affixed to their clothing. Kind of like a Star of David, except for swarthy Middle Eastern types. That would work well. [sarcasm]

    Damn, that’s right, if these “undesirables” are American citizens, this sort of action would be a direct affront to the First Amendment.

  68. @Luke Ford
    Somebody should write a book on The Gifts of the Muslims, cataloging their many contributions to first world civilization.

    Then next they could do the Puerto Ricans and then the Somalis.

    “Somebody should write a book on The Gifts of the Muslims, cataloging their many contributions to first world civilization.”

    First world civilization, what does this even mean to the average American today? Who even speaks in those terms?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "First world civilization, what does this even mean to the average American today?"

    I don't know, but it seems not to register with below average Americans like you.

    "Who even speaks in those terms?"

    We do. Don't like it? Leave.
  69. @snorlax
    According to Masha Gessen, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is Black.

    The Wikipedia photo of "a Chechen fighter" looks fairly Scandinavian.

    Ramzan Kadyrov looks like a high school football coach in Ohio.

    • Agree: PiltdownMan, gruff
    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Ramzan Kadyrov looks like a high school football coach in Ohio.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzan_Kadyrov#/media/File:Ramzan_Kadyrov,_2014.jpeg
  70. “Still, how can you tell someone is Muslim. Is this on the passport? Otherwise what you’re really looking for is swarthy ME types.”

    How would you solve this problem? Are you suggesting surrender?

  71. @Svigor

    I suggest building up relations with non-Muslim places of worship in Muslim countries and requiring a certificate from one of these institutions as proof that the bearer is not a Muslim.
     
    I suggest removing from our soil all the people from terror-exporting countries that we can, blocking further immigration of same, and profiling the ones that remain. What people in and from those countries say about them is secondary.

    Still, how can you tell someone is Muslim
     
    In short, who cares?

    I think I remember reading a commenter on here that Haaretz is the “left wing” / social justice warrior newspaper, for SJW israelis.
     
    Haaretz in English seems like at least as much a site for diaspora Jews as for Israelis.

    “I suggest removing from our soil all the people from terror-exporting countries that we can, blocking further immigration of same, and profiling the ones that remain.”

    Well, that’s not going to fly, especially if those “people from terror-exporting countries” are American citizens. How do you “suggest” we suspend their liberties?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "How do you “suggest” we suspend their liberties?"

    The same way the government now suspends our liberties. And when I say "our", that does not include you. You are not part of my "we".
    , @Bill

    Well, that’s not going to fly, especially if those “people from terror-exporting countries” are American citizens. How do you “suggest” we suspend their liberties?
     
    By just doing it.
  72. Israeli opposition leader Herzog planned to essentially abolish Israel with a secret deal with the PA, giving up the West Bank and Jerusalem and agreeing to a right of return to all Arabs expelled in 1948.

    So there is considerable opposition within Israel to borders and walls. Get a generation of Matty Yglesias types and you get … surrender. At the least bit of aggression. Want a border wall, enforcement, your society better be all macho type fighters with little or no female influence at all.

    • Replies: @Glaivester
    In other words, you are saying that the Zionist Union is not very Zionist.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    That's better than a right of return for the whole world.
    , @OLD JEW
    1. Sounds like the Barak plan, that PLO rejected.

    2. This was in 2014.

    In 2016 Herzog made public a new plan: Separation from Palestine without agreement.

    Off the top of my head I remember only:

    a. Complete the wall around Israel and main settlement blocks (those 4% territory mentioned) and withdraw from the reminder of Palestine.

    b. Withdraw the troops from the West Bank, thus end the "Occupation".

    c. Let them live alone/independent the best they can,

    d. When the Palestinian Authority is, ready to negotiate in the future Israel will negotiate.

    I do not recall what happens to people currently in "Administrative Detention" or Palestinians at the end of their jail terms.

    I do not remember whether the IDF remains at the Jordan, etc.

    My memory lapses do not matter. The Government has not accepted the Herzog plan.

    A personal observation:

    Many Likud politicians (not Benjamin Netanyahu) are the opposite of Theodore Roosevelt, they "Speak loudly and Carry a Small Stick".

  73. @Steve Sailer
    Ramzan Kadyrov looks like a high school football coach in Ohio.

    Ramzan Kadyrov looks like a high school football coach in Ohio.

    • Replies: @Lot

    Ramzan Kadyrov looks like a high school football coach in Ohio.
     
    Our HS football coach lacked Kadyrov's calm, murderous stare.

    Likewise, his countryman, the younger Bomb Brother, looked a lot like he could be in a boy band ...except the calm, murderous stare.
  74. @Anonymous
    My cousins, descendants of multiple signatories to the declaration of Independence, should not be treated like criminals and harassed by our junior partners whom they protect.

    So yeah, I disagree. I don't need non-anglosphere allies who have no respect for American passports. Let them eat solitude then.

    I grew up near the Canadian border and have always been annoyed at the inconvenience of being questioned about my travel when I visit Canada. But I always keep my mouth shut because I recognize that my distaste is, objectively, not very important compared to clamping down on drug smuggling, illegal aliens, etc.

    On the other hand, I have a friend who travels on a special passport status granted by working for an international governmental body. He takes questioning by border guards poorly and condescends to them. It has always been obvious to me that, for him, in addition to annoyance at being treated like a possible criminal, there’s an element of social signaling and status competition with the border guards. He gets upset that someone like him, like him, can be slowed down by people with a mere high school education.

    So, I understand where you’re coming from, but I don’t agree that the convenience and comfort of your non-Israeli cousins should weigh very much in the mind of Israelis against the lives of Israelis.

  75. “But as for the rest of the world, allow me to quote my late father, who, in such circumstances, would have muttered “moykhl toyves”, which, loosely translated, means don’t do me any favors.”

    Trump isn’t trying to do you (an Israeli citizen) any favors. He’s trying to do us (American citizens) one.

    “Of course, Israelis and other PC-critics seem to ignore the fact that politically correct discourse does not apply only to Muslims. In America it prevents politicians from stereotyping Hispanics, African Americans, Asians and, of course, Jews as well.”

    Yet it does not prevent anyone from “stereotyping” whites. And of course the notion of “stereotyping” itself is hogwash. Stereotyping simply means “noticing things”.

  76. @Whiskey
    Israeli opposition leader Herzog planned to essentially abolish Israel with a secret deal with the PA, giving up the West Bank and Jerusalem and agreeing to a right of return to all Arabs expelled in 1948.

    So there is considerable opposition within Israel to borders and walls. Get a generation of Matty Yglesias types and you get ... surrender. At the least bit of aggression. Want a border wall, enforcement, your society better be all macho type fighters with little or no female influence at all.

    In other words, you are saying that the Zionist Union is not very Zionist.

  77. @Corvinus
    "I suggest removing from our soil all the people from terror-exporting countries that we can, blocking further immigration of same, and profiling the ones that remain."

    Well, that's not going to fly, especially if those "people from terror-exporting countries" are American citizens. How do you "suggest" we suspend their liberties?

    “How do you “suggest” we suspend their liberties?”

    The same way the government now suspends our liberties. And when I say “our”, that does not include you. You are not part of my “we”.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "The same way the government now suspends our liberties."

    You're being silly. Our current liberties are not "suspended". You are still able to speak your mind in public, obtain a firearm, and contest matters in a court of law.

    Seriously, show me the EXACT blueprint as to how the freedoms of Americans who practice Islam AND who are citizens will be deported WITHOUT violating the Constitution.

    Remember, freedoms are never "free" nor "unlimited". There are ALWAYS restrictions or efforts to limit them. That's the feature, not a bug, of representative democracy, an integral part of the social contract.

    "And when I say “our”, that does not include you."

    You really haven't clearly defined "our" or "we", so I don't see your point.

    " You are not part of my “we”."

    If you are an American citizen, as I, you and I are "we".
  78. Lot says:

    Of course the United States should adopt more of the policies of Israel!

    1. Border walls and immigration limited to high-IQ culturally and ethnically compatible people

    2. Affordable family formation domestic policy

    3. Strong participation in foreign commerce and culture, but avoidance of sovereignty-destroying organizations and treaties (EU, TPP)

    Trump is the man to do it. He has his flaws, but he is the one who stepped forward to lead and his been endorsed by a majority of one of our parties.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "1. Border walls and immigration limited to high-IQ culturally and ethnically compatible people"

    Americans are mutts. Besides, the devil is in the details. What specific criteria are you looking at?
    How does one offer clear cut standards on what constitutes "culturally and ethnically compatible people"?

    2. Affordable family formation domestic policy.

    That wreaks of socialism. Care to elaborate on this proposal?
  79. @PiltdownMan

    Ramzan Kadyrov looks like a high school football coach in Ohio.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzan_Kadyrov#/media/File:Ramzan_Kadyrov,_2014.jpeg

    Ramzan Kadyrov looks like a high school football coach in Ohio.

    Our HS football coach lacked Kadyrov’s calm, murderous stare.

    Likewise, his countryman, the younger Bomb Brother, looked a lot like he could be in a boy band …except the calm, murderous stare.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Hey, go easy on Steve Sailer's man crush! Sailer melts at Ramzan Kadyrov's murderous stare.
  80. @IHTG
    Other fun stuff from Haaretz:

    "Why Is an Israeli Pro-settler Group Campaigning for Brexit?" http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/.premium-1.725405

    On Bernie Marcus' Trump endorsement: http://www.themarker.com/wallstreet/1.2981051

    “Why Is an Israeli Pro-settler Group Campaigning for Brexit?”

    I already liked the Israeli settlers. Now I do even more. EU out of England!

    • Replies: @Gabriel M
    My wife and I, both born in Britain, were not planning on voting in the Referendum, though we're obviously pro-Brexit. I'm still not, but my wife was persuaded by the Regavim campaign to do so.

    Incidentally, we're not settlers, though, since we live in East Jerusalem, we are regarded by our "allies" in the US government as such.
  81. @snorlax
    According to Masha Gessen, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is Black.

    The Wikipedia photo of "a Chechen fighter" looks fairly Scandinavian.

    “The Wikipedia photo of “a Chechen fighter” looks fairly Scandinavian.”

    Before I classify him as Scandinavian looking, I have to see his hair color first because his head is covered. I also need to a closer look at his eyes to see what color they are.

    The only thing I see is pale skin, but pale skin alone is not enough to make someone Scandinaving looking.

    I have pale skin, but I still don’t look Scandinavian because my hair is too dark and I have a Roman nose.

    “According to Masha Gessen, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is Black”

    Mediterranean looking people are called “Black” by many Russians.

    • Replies: @snorlax

    Before I classify him as Scandinavian looking, I have to see his hair color first because his head is covered. I also need to a closer look at his eyes to see what color they are.
     
    It appears to me that his eyes are light brown, and, judging from his mustache and eyebrows, he has either blond or very light brown hair. He does not look Extremely Scandinavian like Dolph Lundgren, but he does look Fairly Scandinavian like Yngwie.

    Mediterranean looking people are called “Black” by many Russians.
     
    (I know)
    , @anon
    "Mediterranean looking people are called “Black” by many Russians."

    The term as used in Russian ("tchiorniy/--iye", even though the word literally means "black/s") does not mean someone of African descent, it is used to refer to someone from the Caucasus or other southern republics/regions, who has dark hair, and a possibly slightly darker complexion.

    For Africans the term is not "black", it's "black-skinned" or "negr", neither of which is meant to be derogatory in Russian.
    Gessen of course knows this perfectly well, and if she didn't mention the distinction, she's being deliberately misleading. Which would be just shocking, I know.
  82. @anonymous
    byzantine/chinese civilization was still superior even during the islamic golden age

    According to China’s number 1 billionaire, via CNBC Inside Asia the other day, China led civilisation across the world for 2000 years up until 300 yrs ago.

  83. Does Steve Sailer get 100% of his news about Israel from Haaretz?

    The attempts of the Left in Israel get more desperate every week. “Sure Likud’s policies seem to work pretty well, but now they are getting us associated with Trump so we need to have some less successful policies instead”.

    The funny thing is that go back 20 years and the Israeli Left was triumphant. Every aspect of turning Israel into a post-Zionist state was in place and the Right was completely strategically defeated (of course huge amounts of money from the US State Dept. helped out here). It is no exaggeration whatsoever to say that if Hamas had not responded to the Oslo Accords with a wave of bus bombings then Israel would be worse off today than USA and Western Europe. In that respect, there isn’t really much Americans can learn from Israel.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    It's true. One of the under-recognized facts of history is how Yitzhak Shamir's stodgy 1980s Israel rapidly fell to what, in retrospect, could be fairly described as a left-liberal political and cultural coup akin to the demises of the Franco and Salazar regimes, albeit less dramatic.

    The early 90s saw the birth of Aharon Barak's activist Supreme Court (still a thorn in the right's side to this day), leftist Meretz with 12 seats in the Knesset (a number that seems unthinkable today), and the Labor government shamelessly using bribery and the Arab vote to pass deals with the Palestinians.

    Those years also saw the launch of privately owned commercial television channels and cable television after decades of one channel government monopoly, followed a short few years later by the rise of the World Wide Web. It felt like suddenly everything was changing, and a lot of people were swept up in that momentum.

    This process would have continued unabated if not for Hamas' terrorist campaign, the appearance of a charismatic political alternative in the form of Benjamin Netanyahu, and some might say, an assassin's bullet.

  84. @Big Bill
    The Israelis are smart. They just put you racial/ethnic identity on your official ID card. No need for a yellow star or anything.

    They used to put your ethnic identity on the national ID card (using a limited number of categories), but they don’t anymore.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_identity_card#Question_of_ethnicity

    • Replies: @Big Bill
    Did they remove the religion and the nationality/ethnicity?
  85. @Lot

    “Why Is an Israeli Pro-settler Group Campaigning for Brexit?”
     
    I already liked the Israeli settlers. Now I do even more. EU out of England!

    My wife and I, both born in Britain, were not planning on voting in the Referendum, though we’re obviously pro-Brexit. I’m still not, but my wife was persuaded by the Regavim campaign to do so.

    Incidentally, we’re not settlers, though, since we live in East Jerusalem, we are regarded by our “allies” in the US government as such.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    Please do vote; if nothing else, it significantly affects your prospects of remaining on said turf. And, needless to say, of having a safe/worthwhile place to return to, should the shit really hit the fan.
  86. @SFG
    Careful, a lot of the classical works were preserved by Arab scholars. They also did a lot of early scientific work. Their civilization only entered its hidebound phase in the eleventh century or so. Blame al-Ghazali.

    Just because Western Civ is superior to the Islamic version doesn't mean it was *always* so.

    Why do Moslems get credit for preserving classical texts, when the Greek-speaking Byzantines had them all along, in the original language?

    • Agree: Bill B.
    • Replies: @Bill
    Why do blacks get credit for peanut butter? Multicultis have to have *something* to talk about to disprove the superiority of European Christian civilization, so they make stuff up. If the stuff is sort of vaguely related to the truth, so much the better.
    , @Jack D
    While these things may have existed on a shelf in a Greek monastery somewhere, the way they entered the modern West was often via translations of Arabic works. A lot of mathematical/scientific words in English are Arabic as a result - algorithm, algebra, alcohol, alchemy, alembic, alkali, etc. (al is a prefix meaning "the" in Arabic).

    A lot of the scientific work that was done in the Middle Ages in Arab lands was done by non-Arabs but at least they were still doing scientific work at a time when Western Christians were more interested in how many angels could dance on the head of a pin and other pressing theological questions. But the torch got passed back to the West a good 500 years ago while the Arab world seems to have deteriorated. Missing out on the wealth explosion from the discovery of the Americas and then the Industrial Revolution was a double whammy from which they never recovered.

  87. israel is apartheid south africa on steroids, with racial classification and all. and the liberal smug zionist media knows the score exactly. the brazen hypocrisy gets tiring

  88. @Chrisnonymous
    That confusion could have been avoided if your extended family hadn't been allowed to settle in Anglosphere countries in the first place.

    But since it has, alas, we have to say that your minor inconvenience was not very terrible when compared to having family members killed or being maimed. Or do you think otherwise?

    That’s really unnecessary. I’m all for banning Muslims (or immigration in general, really), but I’m not in the slightest worried about atheist Turkish economists who’ve worked for the IMF in Israel.

    The Turks are one of the cases (with the Persians, Chechens, Albanians etc.) where the problem is almost entirely with Islam (which, to their credit, they never fully embraced, at least until recently) rather than the human capital.

    They were, once, a great civilization. They were, by far, the most recent non-Christian or East Asian civilization to be great. They came closer than any other worthy foe to supplanting European civilization (by traditional military means). Many of their cultural achievements remain impressive today, particularly in the fields of architecture, textiles and cuisine (“Greek” or “Mediterranean” food is almost entirely Turkish in origin, as is coffee).

    A substantial minority are pro-social and culturally European, and, with them, I don’t have any particular beef.

  89. @Anonymous
    People have no idea how hardcore Israel is.


    My uncle, an economist, is an atheist Turkish-American. He's a citizen who came to this country as a child, went to American schools, universities, etc. He does not maintain property or any kind of political presence in any foreign country. He was working for the IMF/World Bank in Israel.


    My cousins, half-WASP by birth and fully 100% American Christians by citizenship/background/life, were harassed hardcore by Israeli security when they went to visit their parents in Israel. Multiple times, at airports and elsewhere. My male cousin has a Turkish middle name and so they refused to call him by his Christian first name when they were detaining him.

    And these are people with US (and only US) passports and with "ties to the diplomatic community" of the US government if you catch my meaning.

    >> [Border Police hassling American Christians on multiple occassions]

    I don’t buy this story

    PS: ha-Aretz is leftist trash; much more so in the English edition

    • Replies: @Bill
    Indeed, Israel is well known for the kindness and hospitality it displays to Christians.
    , @SFG
    I do. The Israelis are pretty paranoid. And logically so.
  90. @SFG
    Careful, a lot of the classical works were preserved by Arab scholars. They also did a lot of early scientific work. Their civilization only entered its hidebound phase in the eleventh century or so. Blame al-Ghazali.

    Just because Western Civ is superior to the Islamic version doesn't mean it was *always* so.

    >> Careful, a lot of the classical works were preserved by Arab scholars

    they =published= in Arabic.

    As you recall, Isaac Newton published his books in Latin.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    As you recall, Isaac Newton published his books in Latin.

    The academic Latin used by Western scholars in Newton's time was a curious hybrid form. The ancient Romans would have been rolling on the floor in fits of laughter if they had heard the dialect. It was a thing of its own.
  91. @Gabriel M
    My wife and I, both born in Britain, were not planning on voting in the Referendum, though we're obviously pro-Brexit. I'm still not, but my wife was persuaded by the Regavim campaign to do so.

    Incidentally, we're not settlers, though, since we live in East Jerusalem, we are regarded by our "allies" in the US government as such.

    Please do vote; if nothing else, it significantly affects your prospects of remaining on said turf. And, needless to say, of having a safe/worthwhile place to return to, should the shit really hit the fan.

    • Replies: @Gabriel M
    Too late to register now in any case. If it helps, I think I've probably persuaded about half a dozen people to vote leave.

    Bottom line though, I like England (Britain not so much to be honest), but I'm not English. My son doesn't even have a British passport.

  92. @Whiskey
    Israeli opposition leader Herzog planned to essentially abolish Israel with a secret deal with the PA, giving up the West Bank and Jerusalem and agreeing to a right of return to all Arabs expelled in 1948.

    So there is considerable opposition within Israel to borders and walls. Get a generation of Matty Yglesias types and you get ... surrender. At the least bit of aggression. Want a border wall, enforcement, your society better be all macho type fighters with little or no female influence at all.

    That’s better than a right of return for the whole world.

  93. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Israel, with its unique challenges and singular solutions, is not America.

    Currently unique. Trump’s policy would be prevention rather than cure.

    #

    The banking mafia want globalism (which will end in disaster if it’s imposed before the world is ready for it) whereas imo Israel is better off if the default position returns to nation states – so… interesting.

  94. @Maz

    When there is Islamic terror, he noted, “You can only look for it among Muslims.”
     
    How dare he! Everyone knows that Islamic terrorism has no religion!

    But really, reading articles from Israel is pretty disorienting. Somehow here is a developed nation with a more or less white population that unaccountably is not hell-bent on self-destruction. How can you have such a nation in the current year? (You might argue that there are similar nations in Eastern Europe, but looking at their fertility rates will disabuse you of the notion.)

    Somehow here is a developed nation with a more or less white population that unaccountably is not hell-bent on self-destruction. How can you have such a nation in the current year?

    Their media and financial sectors are dominated by their own ethnic group.

  95. @snorlax
    Please do vote; if nothing else, it significantly affects your prospects of remaining on said turf. And, needless to say, of having a safe/worthwhile place to return to, should the shit really hit the fan.

    Too late to register now in any case. If it helps, I think I’ve probably persuaded about half a dozen people to vote leave.

    Bottom line though, I like England (Britain not so much to be honest), but I’m not English. My son doesn’t even have a British passport.

  96. @Jefferson
    "The Wikipedia photo of “a Chechen fighter” looks fairly Scandinavian."

    Before I classify him as Scandinavian looking, I have to see his hair color first because his head is covered. I also need to a closer look at his eyes to see what color they are.

    The only thing I see is pale skin, but pale skin alone is not enough to make someone Scandinaving looking.

    I have pale skin, but I still don't look Scandinavian because my hair is too dark and I have a Roman nose.

    "According to Masha Gessen, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is Black"

    Mediterranean looking people are called "Black" by many Russians.

    Before I classify him as Scandinavian looking, I have to see his hair color first because his head is covered. I also need to a closer look at his eyes to see what color they are.

    It appears to me that his eyes are light brown, and, judging from his mustache and eyebrows, he has either blond or very light brown hair. He does not look Extremely Scandinavian like Dolph Lundgren, but he does look Fairly Scandinavian like Yngwie.

    Mediterranean looking people are called “Black” by many Russians.

    (I know)

  97. @11B4P
    "Still, how can you tell someone is Muslim. Is this on the passport? Otherwise what you’re really looking for is swarthy ME types"

    Well the name Muhammad is a dead give away, that would be a good start.

    Not always:

    http://quadrant.org.au/flexible-multiculturalism/

    And Mohammed Atta’s behaviour pre-9/11 makes the ‘bacon sandwich and glass of beer’ test look fallible.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "And Mohammed Atta’s behaviour pre-9/11 makes the ‘bacon sandwich and glass of beer’ test look fallible."

    Muslims don't seem to have a problem enjoying alcohol as a guilty pleasure. However, thier aversion to pork seems to be an actual revulsion - not something they feel guilty about after the fact, but rather something that elicits disgust up-front. The Orlando murderer threated to shoot his whole class at a picnic because some pulled-pork touched his hamburger. Granted, he was nuts, but the almost instinctual aversion to pork doesn't seem uncommon among muslims.

    , @Johann Ricke

    And Mohammed Atta’s behaviour pre-9/11 makes the ‘bacon sandwich and glass of beer’ test look fallible.
     
    The revulsion to pork is a dead giveaway. Some Muslims will not only drink, but seek out, alcohol when away from their home countries. With very few exceptions, they never eat pork products. I know a number of non-practicing Muslims who drink alcohol. None of them knowingly eats pork. The attitude seems to be that alcohol is forbidden fruit, whereas pork is merely revolting.
  98. @Big Bill
    Mess with their heads. As I told a bride at a (truly lovely) Reform Jewish wedding in Skokie, "Aren't you glad you live in America? Your rabbi could go to prison for marrying you and Dovid in Israel."

    What’s your deal ? Are you one of them Noam Chomsky/Bernie Sanders types who came here for awhile and was the only guy on the kibbutz who managed to not get laid, thereby leading to a lifetime of disenchantment with your Zionist (wet) dream?

    • Replies: @Big Bill
    The bride and I go back to 1991. Kept each other sane in Midtown as Midwestern transplants.
  99. @Gabriel M
    Does Steve Sailer get 100% of his news about Israel from Haaretz?

    The attempts of the Left in Israel get more desperate every week. "Sure Likud's policies seem to work pretty well, but now they are getting us associated with Trump so we need to have some less successful policies instead".

    The funny thing is that go back 20 years and the Israeli Left was triumphant. Every aspect of turning Israel into a post-Zionist state was in place and the Right was completely strategically defeated (of course huge amounts of money from the US State Dept. helped out here). It is no exaggeration whatsoever to say that if Hamas had not responded to the Oslo Accords with a wave of bus bombings then Israel would be worse off today than USA and Western Europe. In that respect, there isn't really much Americans can learn from Israel.

    It’s true. One of the under-recognized facts of history is how Yitzhak Shamir’s stodgy 1980s Israel rapidly fell to what, in retrospect, could be fairly described as a left-liberal political and cultural coup akin to the demises of the Franco and Salazar regimes, albeit less dramatic.

    The early 90s saw the birth of Aharon Barak’s activist Supreme Court (still a thorn in the right’s side to this day), leftist Meretz with 12 seats in the Knesset (a number that seems unthinkable today), and the Labor government shamelessly using bribery and the Arab vote to pass deals with the Palestinians.

    Those years also saw the launch of privately owned commercial television channels and cable television after decades of one channel government monopoly, followed a short few years later by the rise of the World Wide Web. It felt like suddenly everything was changing, and a lot of people were swept up in that momentum.

    This process would have continued unabated if not for Hamas’ terrorist campaign, the appearance of a charismatic political alternative in the form of Benjamin Netanyahu, and some might say, an assassin’s bullet.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I can remember the first time I saw Netanyahu on TV, during the 1991 Gulf War. My wife and I turned to each other to ask: Who is that guy?

    That he's still around a quarter of a century later isn't surprising.

  100. @Bee
    In the linked Taki artcle, Steve wrote:
    "For example, it appears to be widely assumed that Trump, like the little child in Hans Christian Andersen’s The Emperor’s New Clothes, could blurt out that, say, the reason blacks get in trouble with the police so much is because they murder people at seven to eight times the rate of whites. Or Trump could mention the highly relevant fact that Jews, despite being only one-fiftieth of the population, make up one-third or more of the Forbes 400."

    Obviously, murdering people is bad and is a problem.

    But what are we to making of the fact that one third of the Forbes 400 are Jewish? Is this "bad" on the part of the Jews? If Trump were to say the above fact, would this be a "problem" to be "addressed"? Would the U.S. then implement laws to take money away from those super-wealthy Jews, as well as to put in other laws making sure Jews don't become billionaires ever again?

    Of course, taxes to redistribute income from the very rich are one thing - but presumably you would tax them regardless of their ethnic background (and obviously, I'm pretty sure most American Jews support such taxes - ask Bernie Sanders).

    What's also interesting is that out of the top 25 American billionaires, every single one whose wealth was inherited was non-Jewish. Most of the top Jewish billionaires have companies that "make something" - Oracle, Facebook, Bloomberg, Google, etc. - people who became billionaires because a mass of Americans chose to indulge in their products.

    Interesting that mass murder and making a lot of money selling products that people buy are considered equal offenses against the American character.

    White men being sucessful is double plus not good and sign of unearned priveledge, despite being the majority.

    So what to make of Jewish success? It is a riddle wrapped in an enigma.

  101. @IHTG
    It's true. One of the under-recognized facts of history is how Yitzhak Shamir's stodgy 1980s Israel rapidly fell to what, in retrospect, could be fairly described as a left-liberal political and cultural coup akin to the demises of the Franco and Salazar regimes, albeit less dramatic.

    The early 90s saw the birth of Aharon Barak's activist Supreme Court (still a thorn in the right's side to this day), leftist Meretz with 12 seats in the Knesset (a number that seems unthinkable today), and the Labor government shamelessly using bribery and the Arab vote to pass deals with the Palestinians.

    Those years also saw the launch of privately owned commercial television channels and cable television after decades of one channel government monopoly, followed a short few years later by the rise of the World Wide Web. It felt like suddenly everything was changing, and a lot of people were swept up in that momentum.

    This process would have continued unabated if not for Hamas' terrorist campaign, the appearance of a charismatic political alternative in the form of Benjamin Netanyahu, and some might say, an assassin's bullet.

    I can remember the first time I saw Netanyahu on TV, during the 1991 Gulf War. My wife and I turned to each other to ask: Who is that guy?

    That he’s still around a quarter of a century later isn’t surprising.

  102. @Cwhatfuture
    I'm a Jewish American, and when I was single, and traveled to Israel alone, I was given a difficult time. I was taken to a small room, I was asked what I did on my Bar Mitzvah and given other questions about Jewish ritual practice, most of which I did not know. I even had to give hand writing samples. (This all ended after I was married and travelled with my wife). But I did not get angry at the questioning. I knew it was for my own protection as Muslims have the very nasty habit of trying to smuggle explosive devices onto Israeli commercial planes. There was even one Muslim who put a bomb in the luggage of his pregnant Irish Catholic "fiancé" and told her he would meet her in Tel Aviv. The questioning of this poor, innocent, Irish Catholic girl is how they found the bomb. Any intelligent person, especially someone with CIA ties, would understand this is not bullying but a practiced way to ferret out very bad people. I also find your reference to "airports" (pl) to be quite odd. Flights from the US land at one single airport in Israel - Ben Gurion. Where were these other "airports" they landed at when visiting?

    “There was even one Muslim who put a bomb in the luggage of his pregnant Irish Catholic “fiancé” and told her he would meet her in Tel Aviv. The questioning of this poor, innocent, Irish Catholic girl is how they found the bomb.”

    If she was going to marry a Muslim man than she was no longer an Irish Catholic, she was just Irish and a convert to Islam.

    Even if she didn’t marry him, she probably ended up with another Muslim man.

    White women who dig Muslim men tend to exclusively only date/marry Muslim men, just look at Barack Hussein Obama’s mama. She got impregnated by a Kenyan Muslim and later married an Indonesian Muslim.

    The irony is that it is Left Wing White women who tend to be attracted to Islamic patriarchy. Once they go Muhammad they can’t stop it.

    I can’t see White female Right Wingers like Katherine Timpf and Andrea Tantaros for example marrying Muslim men.

    • Replies: @biz

    The irony is that it is Left Wing White women who tend to be attracted to Islamic patriarchy.
     
    It's actually not that ironic. Many women are attracted to domineering, authoritative men. If a woman is progressive, she will feel guilty about this. However going with a Muslim guy allows her to be with the dominating person she is attracted to while convincing herself and others that she is actually doing a progressive, tolerant, open-minded thing by being with someone of another religion / race.
    , @Cwhatfuture
    Her name was Doreen Murphy and her
    "fiancée" Nezar Hindawi. Hindawi was a Jordanian working for Syrian intelligence who met her in Ireland. (He was already married to an English woman). He impregnated Murphy and suggested they marry in Jordan. Hindawi then provided her with a new suitcase from the Syrian embassy and told her they would fly on separate flights.

    The suitcase had a false bottom, filled with 3 ½ pounds of plastic explosive. The bomb would have killed everyone on the flight, including the unborn daughter.

    The bomb was found thanks to the questioning - the so called bullying - that the half-Turks were so angry about.

    I believe she raised the child alone and she might have her own children by now.
    , @Gross Terry
    timpf has the most impressive resting bitch face I've ever seen in a journalist.

    Haughty sorority girl journalists imo was a voice missing from the mainstream right, and I mean this in an entirely un-ironic way. They are the female versions of shitlords.
    , @HA
    >White women who dig Muslim men tend to exclusively only date/marry Muslim men

    Kind of a tautology there, in that women tend to date/marry the men they dig. But plenty of women dug a Muslim man at one point, and then moved on: Mateen's first wife, as noted on this site, is now with a Brazilian man, Rita Hayworth married two non-Muslims after divorcing Aly Khan, whichever Gabor sister was deflowered by Attaturk moved on to non-Muslim husbands afterwards, and Jemima Khan was dating the comedian Russel Brand after divorcing her Pakistani husband (and is now back to being Jemima Goldsmith).

    I mean yeah, if a woman becomes a devout Muslim, she is more likely to date someone similar, but that's presumably true of numerous other faiths.

  103. @Big Bill
    Mess with their heads. As I told a bride at a (truly lovely) Reform Jewish wedding in Skokie, "Aren't you glad you live in America? Your rabbi could go to prison for marrying you and Dovid in Israel."

    Being mean to the bride at a wedding? Unless it’s Debbie Wasserstein or someone actively involved in selling out the country that seems a little harsh.

  104. At best, what they are afraid of is that the PC ninnyism won’t go away and that the U.S. doing the same thing they’re doing will draw negative attention to themselves. At worst, they are afraid of the possibility that the cognitive dissonance of a large number of Jews in the West on ethnic particularism will be brought to light.

  105. @Bee
    In the linked Taki artcle, Steve wrote:
    "For example, it appears to be widely assumed that Trump, like the little child in Hans Christian Andersen’s The Emperor’s New Clothes, could blurt out that, say, the reason blacks get in trouble with the police so much is because they murder people at seven to eight times the rate of whites. Or Trump could mention the highly relevant fact that Jews, despite being only one-fiftieth of the population, make up one-third or more of the Forbes 400."

    Obviously, murdering people is bad and is a problem.

    But what are we to making of the fact that one third of the Forbes 400 are Jewish? Is this "bad" on the part of the Jews? If Trump were to say the above fact, would this be a "problem" to be "addressed"? Would the U.S. then implement laws to take money away from those super-wealthy Jews, as well as to put in other laws making sure Jews don't become billionaires ever again?

    Of course, taxes to redistribute income from the very rich are one thing - but presumably you would tax them regardless of their ethnic background (and obviously, I'm pretty sure most American Jews support such taxes - ask Bernie Sanders).

    What's also interesting is that out of the top 25 American billionaires, every single one whose wealth was inherited was non-Jewish. Most of the top Jewish billionaires have companies that "make something" - Oracle, Facebook, Bloomberg, Google, etc. - people who became billionaires because a mass of Americans chose to indulge in their products.

    Interesting that mass murder and making a lot of money selling products that people buy are considered equal offenses against the American character.

    For the most part, people resent Jewish success because they feel that a good portion of it is the result of cronyism among Jews themselves and favoritism on the part of certain white gentiles.

    There is some evidence that this is at least partially the case. There are already three Jews on the Supreme Court, for instance. Obama’s latest nominee is a potential number four. The last three Fed chairmen have been Jewish. You can say that’s a result of them being smarter than the rest of us, but that explanation just doesn’t hold water when you take into account what a small percentage of the population Jewish people are. Both Asians and Ashkenazi Jews are smarter on average than white gentiles, but there are probably a hundred and seventy or eighty million white gentiles in the United States; the idea that there just aren’t any non-Jewish American whites who are qualified to occupy these positions is nuts. And that’s just the political realm.

    You would expect such a talented group to be over-represented, but not to such an astounding degree. No man is an island, and no success is one hundred percent individually earned.

    • Replies: @biz

    You can say that’s a result of them being smarter than the rest of us, but that explanation just doesn’t hold water when you take into account what a small percentage of the population Jewish people are.
     
    Actually, you can run the numbers and you'd be surprised. Take the average American IQ (100) and standard deviation (15), an estimate for the average Jewish American IQ (115) and standard deviation (15) and the percentage of Jews in the population (say 2%) and just by doing an itegral of a Gaussian function you can calculate the percentage of Jews among people above a certain IQ. The numbers are:

    IQ Percent of pop. above that IQ that is Jewish:
    120 8.1
    130 13.7
    140 25.2
    145 35.3

    Pick a profession in which you think Jews are overrepresented and think about what the minimum IQ to enter that profession is. With something like a leading scientist it is probably around 145, and so you would expect from IQ effects alone that Jews would be 35.3% of leading scientists. This sounds about right. Then there are all the effects of working hard, a culture where parents expect achievement, etc, and so high numbers of Jews in these various positions need not be attributed to nepotism.

    , @Dr. X

    Both Asians and Ashkenazi Jews are smarter on average than white gentiles, but there are probably a hundred and seventy or eighty million white gentiles in the United States; the idea that there just aren’t any non-Jewish American whites who are qualified to occupy these positions is nuts.
     
    Agree.

    I had made a similar post but it didn't make it past the moderator. I agree that many Jews are smart and talented, but the disproportionate influence they possess relative to their small numbers is the result of cronyism, nepotism, selective breeding, and the employment of one set of standards for us, another for them.
  106. Km says:

    Haaretz is like the NYT of Israel. Always pretzels. Quite amazing stuff in there. Israelis had the left bombed out of them–literally. They were originally very, very leftist and many intellectual types in Tel Aviv still are. It took decades and endless war and terrorism to bring the Likud to power; even then, the voting base was at first Arab Jews, and not the Ashkenazi socialists. Now, the demographic shift to orthodoxy is making Israel even more right wing. The same thing is happening in New York, which is now less leftist among Jews than the rest of the country due to Hasidic growth rates. This is pretty shocking stuff for anyone acquainted with NYC in the 20C. But times change. In general, Trump’s tactic is a good one. Silence the aging liberal American Jews in the media by invoking Israel every time you advance a controversial idea.

  107. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Cwhatfuture
    I'm a Jewish American, and when I was single, and traveled to Israel alone, I was given a difficult time. I was taken to a small room, I was asked what I did on my Bar Mitzvah and given other questions about Jewish ritual practice, most of which I did not know. I even had to give hand writing samples. (This all ended after I was married and travelled with my wife). But I did not get angry at the questioning. I knew it was for my own protection as Muslims have the very nasty habit of trying to smuggle explosive devices onto Israeli commercial planes. There was even one Muslim who put a bomb in the luggage of his pregnant Irish Catholic "fiancé" and told her he would meet her in Tel Aviv. The questioning of this poor, innocent, Irish Catholic girl is how they found the bomb. Any intelligent person, especially someone with CIA ties, would understand this is not bullying but a practiced way to ferret out very bad people. I also find your reference to "airports" (pl) to be quite odd. Flights from the US land at one single airport in Israel - Ben Gurion. Where were these other "airports" they landed at when visiting?

    As an investigator and someone familiar with airline security I can tell you that the only way to elicit nefarious intentions is through extensive questioning. The TSA’s $200 million/year behavioral detection program is a huge waste of money. It is based on a bogus theory of non-verbal communication (micro-expressions) of psychologist Paul Ekman (Ph.D., Adelphi University). El Al has 40 flights a day. There are 40k flights in the U.S. per day. It is impractical for the TSA to use large-scale extensive questioning. Or even small-scale questioning. And TSA’s policy is to treat a U.S. Senator or 90-year old WWII veteran with the same level of security screening as a 20-year old male coming through on a Saudi passport. So adding this extra questioning would shut down airlines. Plus, TSA would have no one qualified to do the questioning. TSA inspectors are made up of former TSA supervisors, the majority of whom have no college degree and were working at Home Depot or Walmart prior to being hired by TSA at $27k/year. The TSA would be a million times more effective if they scrapped the behavioral detection program and brought in bomb-sniffing dogs at the checkpoints and baggage screening areas.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "The TSA would be a million times more effective if they scrapped the behavioral detection program and brought in bomb-sniffing dogs at the checkpoints and baggage screening areas."

    I don't believe the real purpose of the TSA is to find bombs. The real purpose of it is to humilitate people, seize thier cash, and accustom them to the police-state. If the security areas were intended for the detection of bombs in the hands of suicide bombers, shouldn't they be equipped with some kind of ballistic shielding - kevlar blankets at minimum - in case the bomber, once discovered, elected to martyr himself right there?

    , @cwhatfuture
    There are several reasons why we could not use the Israeli method, beyond scale.

    First, the Israelis take their screeners right out of the army, and they have access to their IQ tests and psychological profiles, and their records while serving in the army. So they can pick the most intelligent and observant and perceptive soldiers and it does not matter to the Israelis what the demographics are of this population. They are all Jewish, they are probably heavily Ashkenazi and they are, for the most part, in their early 20s. As you note, in the US this would be as illegal as heroin. The US profilers would have to have a population in all age ranges, that, at the very least, reflected the current racial demographic of the country. There could be no IQ component at all and we would be lucky to get the median IQ. We would also have to employ Muslims, if not members of ISIS in order to prove the system was not Islamophobic.

    Second, the Israelis not only allow, they absolutely use profiling. When I was single, I was picked out and when I was married I was not picked out. Muslims or anyone they think might associate with Muslims would be given heavier screening and this would produce an immediate lawsuit in the US.

    Third, the Israelis do not allow any union style rights to their workers. They test constantly and they have a one mistake rule. One mistake found in any testing if you are an employee and you are gone. There is no right of appeal. This would also be impossible in the United States, where I have read that any testing always produces massive failures and no one ever is ever fired or even probably could be fired.
    , @Bill B.
    Is Paul Ekman's face-reading really bogus? I bought one of his books and found it interesting and quite persuasive.

    It taught me to notice, for example, that flash of raw emotion that the face reveals (on meeting someone, or taking a question etc.) before the half-second it takes to control ones features.

    It also taught me to recognise the fake smile (the rock-steady eyebrows which do not move together) and to notice more about people being quietly disturbed or unhappy or disgusted in various ways (useful in Asia where outright contradiction is often discouraged).

    But it is also extremely difficult to work out what is precisely going on (assuming it works); often all I can say is that something is going on. Also it seems to me that gut reactions ('Oh God not my friends again when I am tired and want to be left alone') do not necessarily signal base disapproval or whatever.
  108. @Lot

    Ramzan Kadyrov looks like a high school football coach in Ohio.
     
    Our HS football coach lacked Kadyrov's calm, murderous stare.

    Likewise, his countryman, the younger Bomb Brother, looked a lot like he could be in a boy band ...except the calm, murderous stare.

    Hey, go easy on Steve Sailer’s man crush! Sailer melts at Ramzan Kadyrov’s murderous stare.

  109. @Jefferson
    "There was even one Muslim who put a bomb in the luggage of his pregnant Irish Catholic “fiancé” and told her he would meet her in Tel Aviv. The questioning of this poor, innocent, Irish Catholic girl is how they found the bomb."

    If she was going to marry a Muslim man than she was no longer an Irish Catholic, she was just Irish and a convert to Islam.

    Even if she didn't marry him, she probably ended up with another Muslim man.

    White women who dig Muslim men tend to exclusively only date/marry Muslim men, just look at Barack Hussein Obama's mama. She got impregnated by a Kenyan Muslim and later married an Indonesian Muslim.

    The irony is that it is Left Wing White women who tend to be attracted to Islamic patriarchy. Once they go Muhammad they can't stop it.

    I can't see White female Right Wingers like Katherine Timpf and Andrea Tantaros for example marrying Muslim men.

    The irony is that it is Left Wing White women who tend to be attracted to Islamic patriarchy.

    It’s actually not that ironic. Many women are attracted to domineering, authoritative men. If a woman is progressive, she will feel guilty about this. However going with a Muslim guy allows her to be with the dominating person she is attracted to while convincing herself and others that she is actually doing a progressive, tolerant, open-minded thing by being with someone of another religion / race.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "It’s actually not that ironic. Many women are attracted to domineering, authoritative men."

    White Western patriarchy is racist & sexist, but Islamic patriarchy is sexy, domineering, and authoritative.
  110. biz says:
    @Stealth
    For the most part, people resent Jewish success because they feel that a good portion of it is the result of cronyism among Jews themselves and favoritism on the part of certain white gentiles.

    There is some evidence that this is at least partially the case. There are already three Jews on the Supreme Court, for instance. Obama's latest nominee is a potential number four. The last three Fed chairmen have been Jewish. You can say that's a result of them being smarter than the rest of us, but that explanation just doesn't hold water when you take into account what a small percentage of the population Jewish people are. Both Asians and Ashkenazi Jews are smarter on average than white gentiles, but there are probably a hundred and seventy or eighty million white gentiles in the United States; the idea that there just aren't any non-Jewish American whites who are qualified to occupy these positions is nuts. And that's just the political realm.

    You would expect such a talented group to be over-represented, but not to such an astounding degree. No man is an island, and no success is one hundred percent individually earned.

    You can say that’s a result of them being smarter than the rest of us, but that explanation just doesn’t hold water when you take into account what a small percentage of the population Jewish people are.

    Actually, you can run the numbers and you’d be surprised. Take the average American IQ (100) and standard deviation (15), an estimate for the average Jewish American IQ (115) and standard deviation (15) and the percentage of Jews in the population (say 2%) and just by doing an itegral of a Gaussian function you can calculate the percentage of Jews among people above a certain IQ. The numbers are:

    IQ Percent of pop. above that IQ that is Jewish:
    120 8.1
    130 13.7
    140 25.2
    145 35.3

    Pick a profession in which you think Jews are overrepresented and think about what the minimum IQ to enter that profession is. With something like a leading scientist it is probably around 145, and so you would expect from IQ effects alone that Jews would be 35.3% of leading scientists. This sounds about right. Then there are all the effects of working hard, a culture where parents expect achievement, etc, and so high numbers of Jews in these various positions need not be attributed to nepotism.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    It's not about presence in "professions". It's about presence in the most valuable societal niches. And your numbers can't explain that.
    , @anon

    Pick a profession in which you think Jews are overrepresented and think about what the minimum IQ to enter that profession is.
     
    Banking mafia and the media.

    Even if the IQ thing is a full 1SD - which I doubt - massive ethnic nepotism is self-evident.
    , @Stealth
    I've read that the 15 point, 1 SD average IQ gap is probably bogus. It's big, but it's not that big.
  111. @Mr. Anon
    "How do you “suggest” we suspend their liberties?"

    The same way the government now suspends our liberties. And when I say "our", that does not include you. You are not part of my "we".

    “The same way the government now suspends our liberties.”

    You’re being silly. Our current liberties are not “suspended”. You are still able to speak your mind in public, obtain a firearm, and contest matters in a court of law.

    Seriously, show me the EXACT blueprint as to how the freedoms of Americans who practice Islam AND who are citizens will be deported WITHOUT violating the Constitution.

    Remember, freedoms are never “free” nor “unlimited”. There are ALWAYS restrictions or efforts to limit them. That’s the feature, not a bug, of representative democracy, an integral part of the social contract.

    “And when I say “our”, that does not include you.”

    You really haven’t clearly defined “our” or “we”, so I don’t see your point.

    ” You are not part of my “we”.”

    If you are an American citizen, as I, you and I are “we”.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "You’re being silly. Our current liberties are not “suspended”. You are still able to speak your mind in public, obtain a firearm, and contest matters in a court of law."

    Able to speak your mind in public? Not if you want to have a livelihood. Obtain a firearm? How about carry one? And - anyway - if Hillary has her way, she will try to get them completely banned. How about the right to have your vote count for something? Rather than have legislation you voted for, which passes, vacated by an activist court? How about having the government faithfully execute the laws they are obligated to enforce (like immigration laws) - how about not having your country inundated with illegal foreigners? How about the liberty to not engage in commerce - such as not buying health insurance if you don't want to?

    "Seriously, show me the EXACT blueprint as to how the freedoms of Americans who practice Islam AND who are citizens will be deported WITHOUT violating the Constitution."

    First, stop importing muslims. Second deport or induce those who aren't citizens to leave. The effect on those who remain might be beneficial - to the rest of us, that is.

    "If you are an American citizen, as I, you and I are “we”."

    Stuff your good government bulls**t. It belongs to a time and country that is dead. You support policies which disenfranchise me in my own country. I don't recognize you as anything other than my enemy. You and I are not we.
  112. @Formerly CARealist
    I'm a nice white, blue-eyed, aging mommy and I got singled out for extra inspection at the airport. Seems the zipper in my jeans is made of metal, or something, so they had an annoyed-looking woman put her hand in my pants just to make sure I didn't have a .38 special down there.

    If I'd had my wits about me I would have asked her out on a date.

    My girlfriend refuses to go through the airport scanners, opting instead for the pat-down. When we were travelling to Orlando for my brother’s wedding I couldn’t believe that the Logan TSA made her, a tall, slender woman wearing a tight tank top and one of her tightest pairs of skinny jeans, unzip her fly so they could grope her crotch area. I got some dirty looks for asking if she got a cigarette after that.

    Me, I travel to Florida on a regular basis to visit family, and I get pulled out of line for extra abuse every single time, in both Orlando and Tampa. The girlfriend has posited that it might be that I, being a large,semi-swarthy guy who passes for just about any Mediterranean look, fit some sort of Iranian weightlifter/wrestler profile. I thought it was just the middle-aged single guy demographic. Then, passing through security in Orlando after the aforementioned wedding, I clear without a glance. I laughed and thanked her for making me less of a security risk, whereupon we were approached by two TSA guys who proceeded to swab my hands for explosive residue!

  113. @Lot
    Of course the United States should adopt more of the policies of Israel!

    1. Border walls and immigration limited to high-IQ culturally and ethnically compatible people

    2. Affordable family formation domestic policy

    3. Strong participation in foreign commerce and culture, but avoidance of sovereignty-destroying organizations and treaties (EU, TPP)

    Trump is the man to do it. He has his flaws, but he is the one who stepped forward to lead and his been endorsed by a majority of one of our parties.

    “1. Border walls and immigration limited to high-IQ culturally and ethnically compatible people”

    Americans are mutts. Besides, the devil is in the details. What specific criteria are you looking at?
    How does one offer clear cut standards on what constitutes “culturally and ethnically compatible people”?

    2. Affordable family formation domestic policy.

    That wreaks of socialism. Care to elaborate on this proposal?

  114. @Jefferson
    "There was even one Muslim who put a bomb in the luggage of his pregnant Irish Catholic “fiancé” and told her he would meet her in Tel Aviv. The questioning of this poor, innocent, Irish Catholic girl is how they found the bomb."

    If she was going to marry a Muslim man than she was no longer an Irish Catholic, she was just Irish and a convert to Islam.

    Even if she didn't marry him, she probably ended up with another Muslim man.

    White women who dig Muslim men tend to exclusively only date/marry Muslim men, just look at Barack Hussein Obama's mama. She got impregnated by a Kenyan Muslim and later married an Indonesian Muslim.

    The irony is that it is Left Wing White women who tend to be attracted to Islamic patriarchy. Once they go Muhammad they can't stop it.

    I can't see White female Right Wingers like Katherine Timpf and Andrea Tantaros for example marrying Muslim men.

    Her name was Doreen Murphy and her
    “fiancée” Nezar Hindawi. Hindawi was a Jordanian working for Syrian intelligence who met her in Ireland. (He was already married to an English woman). He impregnated Murphy and suggested they marry in Jordan. Hindawi then provided her with a new suitcase from the Syrian embassy and told her they would fly on separate flights.

    The suitcase had a false bottom, filled with 3 ½ pounds of plastic explosive. The bomb would have killed everyone on the flight, including the unborn daughter.

    The bomb was found thanks to the questioning – the so called bullying – that the half-Turks were so angry about.

    I believe she raised the child alone and she might have her own children by now.

  115. @Anonymous
    As an investigator and someone familiar with airline security I can tell you that the only way to elicit nefarious intentions is through extensive questioning. The TSA's $200 million/year behavioral detection program is a huge waste of money. It is based on a bogus theory of non-verbal communication (micro-expressions) of psychologist Paul Ekman (Ph.D., Adelphi University). El Al has 40 flights a day. There are 40k flights in the U.S. per day. It is impractical for the TSA to use large-scale extensive questioning. Or even small-scale questioning. And TSA's policy is to treat a U.S. Senator or 90-year old WWII veteran with the same level of security screening as a 20-year old male coming through on a Saudi passport. So adding this extra questioning would shut down airlines. Plus, TSA would have no one qualified to do the questioning. TSA inspectors are made up of former TSA supervisors, the majority of whom have no college degree and were working at Home Depot or Walmart prior to being hired by TSA at $27k/year. The TSA would be a million times more effective if they scrapped the behavioral detection program and brought in bomb-sniffing dogs at the checkpoints and baggage screening areas.

    “The TSA would be a million times more effective if they scrapped the behavioral detection program and brought in bomb-sniffing dogs at the checkpoints and baggage screening areas.”

    I don’t believe the real purpose of the TSA is to find bombs. The real purpose of it is to humilitate people, seize thier cash, and accustom them to the police-state. If the security areas were intended for the detection of bombs in the hands of suicide bombers, shouldn’t they be equipped with some kind of ballistic shielding – kevlar blankets at minimum – in case the bomber, once discovered, elected to martyr himself right there?

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    'I don’t believe the real purpose of the TSA is to find bombs. The real purpose of it is to humilitate people, seize thier cash, and accustom them to the police-state."

    I think you're giving Congress, President W. etc way too much credit for planning and forethought.

    The TSA was created because they had to be seen doing something in response to 9/11. The TSA was that something. Like most government agencies, its creation was hurried and poorly planned. And like most if not all government agencies, it will continue to grow and receive increased funding in close correlation with their rate of failure at their primary assigned tasks.

    The TSA is merely security theater.
    , @cwhatfuture
    The purpose of the TSA now is merely to exist and to spend money. Any flaw in the system only matters if it endangers those two things: existence and the ability to spend money (especially at politically connected companies who are getting the contracts). Making people wait in line for 3 hours means the agency needs even more money to hire more people, so it furthers the purpose of the agency - existence and the ability to spend money.
  116. @Stebbing Heuer
    Not always:

    http://quadrant.org.au/flexible-multiculturalism/

    And Mohammed Atta's behaviour pre-9/11 makes the 'bacon sandwich and glass of beer' test look fallible.

    “And Mohammed Atta’s behaviour pre-9/11 makes the ‘bacon sandwich and glass of beer’ test look fallible.”

    Muslims don’t seem to have a problem enjoying alcohol as a guilty pleasure. However, thier aversion to pork seems to be an actual revulsion – not something they feel guilty about after the fact, but rather something that elicits disgust up-front. The Orlando murderer threated to shoot his whole class at a picnic because some pulled-pork touched his hamburger. Granted, he was nuts, but the almost instinctual aversion to pork doesn’t seem uncommon among muslims.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Say you were at a class picnic and some Chinese guy's grilled dog (not hot dog, just dog) touched your hamburger. How would you react?
  117. @Corvinus
    "Somebody should write a book on The Gifts of the Muslims, cataloging their many contributions to first world civilization."

    First world civilization, what does this even mean to the average American today? Who even speaks in those terms?

    “First world civilization, what does this even mean to the average American today?”

    I don’t know, but it seems not to register with below average Americans like you.

    “Who even speaks in those terms?”

    We do. Don’t like it? Leave.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "I don’t know, but it seems not to register with below average Americans like you."

    You can't even define "pro-white" or "anti-white", now you want to add to the mix "below average Americans"???

    Why do you continually insist on being vague?

    "We do. Don’t like it? Leave."

    Again, who is this "we"? And why on earth would millions of "below average Americans" even entertain your fantasy notions?

    "Perhaps those people can decide for themselves what value that information has."

    Not in your world. White people in particular have no liberty to decide how to look at race related matters, for example. They must look at it from only your perspective.

  118. @cwhatfuture
    Why do you read or quote Haaretz? Almost no one in Israel does. It is by far the least read of any of the "major" Israeli papers, although it is certainly read by the left wing professors of Tel Aviv. In 2011 it had a 5.8% market share and it has dropped ever since. (essentially Israel is one market - think of it as a large US city) It is a nothing but an even more poorly read NY Times in Hebrew and with the same prejudices. If they are against Trump, rest assured the other 97% of Israel thinks Trump is great.

    “Why do you read or quote Haaretz? Almost no one in Israel does. It is by far the least read of any of the “major” Israeli papers, although it is certainly read by the left wing professors of Tel Aviv. In 2011 it had a 5.8% market share and it has dropped ever since. (essentially Israel is one market – think of it as a large US city) It is a nothing but an even more poorly read NY Times in Hebrew and with the same prejudices. If they are against Trump, rest assured the other 97% of Israel thinks Trump is great.”

    New York Times circulation is just under 1.4 million (as of 2014), less than 0.5% of the adult population of the United States. Undoubtedly there are a lot of on-line readers too, but still not that many compared to the population at large. Still the Times is an “opinion leader”; it is read by people with influence. Haaretz is reputed to have a similar stature in Israel.

  119. @Karl
    >> Careful, a lot of the classical works were preserved by Arab scholars


    they =published= in Arabic.

    As you recall, Isaac Newton published his books in Latin.

    As you recall, Isaac Newton published his books in Latin.

    The academic Latin used by Western scholars in Newton’s time was a curious hybrid form. The ancient Romans would have been rolling on the floor in fits of laughter if they had heard the dialect. It was a thing of its own.

  120. @Jefferson
    "There was even one Muslim who put a bomb in the luggage of his pregnant Irish Catholic “fiancé” and told her he would meet her in Tel Aviv. The questioning of this poor, innocent, Irish Catholic girl is how they found the bomb."

    If she was going to marry a Muslim man than she was no longer an Irish Catholic, she was just Irish and a convert to Islam.

    Even if she didn't marry him, she probably ended up with another Muslim man.

    White women who dig Muslim men tend to exclusively only date/marry Muslim men, just look at Barack Hussein Obama's mama. She got impregnated by a Kenyan Muslim and later married an Indonesian Muslim.

    The irony is that it is Left Wing White women who tend to be attracted to Islamic patriarchy. Once they go Muhammad they can't stop it.

    I can't see White female Right Wingers like Katherine Timpf and Andrea Tantaros for example marrying Muslim men.

    timpf has the most impressive resting bitch face I’ve ever seen in a journalist.

    Haughty sorority girl journalists imo was a voice missing from the mainstream right, and I mean this in an entirely un-ironic way. They are the female versions of shitlords.

  121. Why do you read or quote Haaretz? Almost no one in Israel does. It is by far the least read of any of the “major” Israeli papers, although it is certainly read by the left wing professors of Tel Aviv. In 2011 it had a 5.8% market share and it has dropped ever since. (essentially Israel is one market – think of it as a large US city)

    This is where those diaspora readers come in.

    I don’t suppose Mr Trump could take a step back and see that all the problems we are now having with radical Muslims has to do with our one-sided policies in the Holy Land.

    No, I didn’t think so.

    Has at least as much to do with their presence in our territories as it does anything else.

    They haven’t all wised up even in Israel. Haaretz is as bad as the New York Times.

    2 (barely any Israelis read Haaretz) + 2 (English-speaking foreigners do) = ?.

    PS: ha-Aretz is leftist trash; much more so in the English edition

    This fits in nicely with 2+2=4…

    Ugh, so much discussion and so many wrong answers. You ban immigrants from COUNTRIES which have a history of terrorism and antagonism to the US. This in fact is what the Trump team has moved towards, but I’m not gonna look it up right now. There is no way they ever could or would ban “Muslims,” per se.

    This was established in the threads around the time that Trump first proposed a ban on Muslim immigration. But you’re wrong about “could”; it’d be perfectly legal for the President to ban Muslim immigrants.

    Huh. Here I thought Sheldon Adelson was the epitome of the evil Jewish “nationalism for me but not for thee”, but it turns out he backs Trump. Will Steve start being nice to Sheldon now?

    I’m gonna wait for the ad blitz in Ohio, Pennsylvania, NC, Florida, etc., to start, but yeah, I’ll be singing his praises. A lot of people have this silly delusion that non-mouth-foaming ANTI-SEMITES!!! hate each and every Jew, no matter what they do, but like I said – it’s a silly delusion.

    So there is considerable opposition within Israel to borders and walls.

    Yeah, it’s considerable; I consider it negligible.

  122. @Bee
    In the linked Taki artcle, Steve wrote:
    "For example, it appears to be widely assumed that Trump, like the little child in Hans Christian Andersen’s The Emperor’s New Clothes, could blurt out that, say, the reason blacks get in trouble with the police so much is because they murder people at seven to eight times the rate of whites. Or Trump could mention the highly relevant fact that Jews, despite being only one-fiftieth of the population, make up one-third or more of the Forbes 400."

    Obviously, murdering people is bad and is a problem.

    But what are we to making of the fact that one third of the Forbes 400 are Jewish? Is this "bad" on the part of the Jews? If Trump were to say the above fact, would this be a "problem" to be "addressed"? Would the U.S. then implement laws to take money away from those super-wealthy Jews, as well as to put in other laws making sure Jews don't become billionaires ever again?

    Of course, taxes to redistribute income from the very rich are one thing - but presumably you would tax them regardless of their ethnic background (and obviously, I'm pretty sure most American Jews support such taxes - ask Bernie Sanders).

    What's also interesting is that out of the top 25 American billionaires, every single one whose wealth was inherited was non-Jewish. Most of the top Jewish billionaires have companies that "make something" - Oracle, Facebook, Bloomberg, Google, etc. - people who became billionaires because a mass of Americans chose to indulge in their products.

    Interesting that mass murder and making a lot of money selling products that people buy are considered equal offenses against the American character.

    “Interesting that mass murder and making a lot of money selling products that people buy are considered equal offenses against the American character.”

    The only place they are being equated as offenses against the American character is in your sophomoric rhetoric. The point being made about Jews is that they are the most powerful group in the country, not the oppressed minority that The Narrative is constantly attempting to portray them as. But then you already knew that before you started your nonsense. Or maybe I’m wrong and you really are as dense as you’re pretending to be.

  123. @Anonymous
    As an investigator and someone familiar with airline security I can tell you that the only way to elicit nefarious intentions is through extensive questioning. The TSA's $200 million/year behavioral detection program is a huge waste of money. It is based on a bogus theory of non-verbal communication (micro-expressions) of psychologist Paul Ekman (Ph.D., Adelphi University). El Al has 40 flights a day. There are 40k flights in the U.S. per day. It is impractical for the TSA to use large-scale extensive questioning. Or even small-scale questioning. And TSA's policy is to treat a U.S. Senator or 90-year old WWII veteran with the same level of security screening as a 20-year old male coming through on a Saudi passport. So adding this extra questioning would shut down airlines. Plus, TSA would have no one qualified to do the questioning. TSA inspectors are made up of former TSA supervisors, the majority of whom have no college degree and were working at Home Depot or Walmart prior to being hired by TSA at $27k/year. The TSA would be a million times more effective if they scrapped the behavioral detection program and brought in bomb-sniffing dogs at the checkpoints and baggage screening areas.

    There are several reasons why we could not use the Israeli method, beyond scale.

    First, the Israelis take their screeners right out of the army, and they have access to their IQ tests and psychological profiles, and their records while serving in the army. So they can pick the most intelligent and observant and perceptive soldiers and it does not matter to the Israelis what the demographics are of this population. They are all Jewish, they are probably heavily Ashkenazi and they are, for the most part, in their early 20s. As you note, in the US this would be as illegal as heroin. The US profilers would have to have a population in all age ranges, that, at the very least, reflected the current racial demographic of the country. There could be no IQ component at all and we would be lucky to get the median IQ. We would also have to employ Muslims, if not members of ISIS in order to prove the system was not Islamophobic.

    Second, the Israelis not only allow, they absolutely use profiling. When I was single, I was picked out and when I was married I was not picked out. Muslims or anyone they think might associate with Muslims would be given heavier screening and this would produce an immediate lawsuit in the US.

    Third, the Israelis do not allow any union style rights to their workers. They test constantly and they have a one mistake rule. One mistake found in any testing if you are an employee and you are gone. There is no right of appeal. This would also be impossible in the United States, where I have read that any testing always produces massive failures and no one ever is ever fired or even probably could be fired.

  124. OT, but related: http://www.ngo-monitor.org/uk-government-memo-on-peace-now-1982/

    NGO Monitor has obtained an official document from the British embassy in Tel Aviv, detailing a meeting with Peace Now activists in 1982. The document sheds light on how the UK government (which will eventually fund Peace Now) perceives the role of the NGO in Israeli society, and on the potential detrimental impact of foreign government funding for an Israeli movement.

    This document comes in addition to a leaked EU document from 1999, revealing grants to the “Four Mothers” movement (250,000 Euros) and to Peace Now (400,000). The objectives of EU funding for Peace Now in the context of the 1999 general elections included “outreach” to immigrants from the former Soviet Union, “groups that traditionally have anti-peace views and vote Likud.”

    “I asked where Peace Now drew its support. How were they doing among the Sepharadic/Oriental community? Brenner admitted that Peace Now was almost wholly Ashkenanzi and that its supporters were for the most part middle class intellectuals, tough they also included surprising number of reserve officers.”

    “Peace Now was trying but had made very little ground among Sephardic Jews. The problem was that the Oriental community was very largely preoccupied with day to day consideration such as where the next meal was coming from. They gave little taught to issues such as peace with the Arabs. Peace now was trying to educate them on the basis of self-interest. Apart from pointing out the economic cost of the war, they were drawing attention to the extent which government funds were being diverted away from development towns to make possible to spread of settlements in the West Bank.”

    “The other Peace now Representative, Tami Yarkoni, added that until recently Oriental Jews had been at the bottom of the pile in Israel. Now they had the Arabs underneath them, and they enjoyed the feeling“

  125. @Karl
    >> [Border Police hassling American Christians on multiple occassions]


    I don't buy this story



    PS: ha-Aretz is leftist trash; much more so in the English edition

    Indeed, Israel is well known for the kindness and hospitality it displays to Christians.

  126. • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Doing the jobs Israelis won't do .....

    $65 is lot to pay in tolls, but Delaware, that charges about $15 for the privilege of passing through their state is also up there .....
  127. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jefferson
    "The Wikipedia photo of “a Chechen fighter” looks fairly Scandinavian."

    Before I classify him as Scandinavian looking, I have to see his hair color first because his head is covered. I also need to a closer look at his eyes to see what color they are.

    The only thing I see is pale skin, but pale skin alone is not enough to make someone Scandinaving looking.

    I have pale skin, but I still don't look Scandinavian because my hair is too dark and I have a Roman nose.

    "According to Masha Gessen, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is Black"

    Mediterranean looking people are called "Black" by many Russians.

    “Mediterranean looking people are called “Black” by many Russians.”

    The term as used in Russian (“tchiorniy/–iye”, even though the word literally means “black/s”) does not mean someone of African descent, it is used to refer to someone from the Caucasus or other southern republics/regions, who has dark hair, and a possibly slightly darker complexion.

    For Africans the term is not “black”, it’s “black-skinned” or “negr”, neither of which is meant to be derogatory in Russian.
    Gessen of course knows this perfectly well, and if she didn’t mention the distinction, she’s being deliberately misleading. Which would be just shocking, I know.

  128. @metoo
    You wrote, "I’ve always admired Israel ..."

    That would be because you are fucking moron.

    On our host being pro-Israel: Steve us no moron, quite the opposite. It’s just that he’s badly misinformed and, maybe, a touch amoral.

  129. @Luke Lea
    "When my dad had to go to Bahrain in the Persian Gulf to fix a Lockheed airliner in the late 1970s, he had to dig up a baptismal certificate from 1917 to prove to the locals that they could be sure he wasn’t Jewish."

    When my friend and I were trying to get a visa to enter Iraq from Syria in 1963, the Iraqi consular officer asked us to drop our pants to prove we weren't Jewish. We just laughed and explained that all males in America are circumcised, which they mostly were back then (not sure today).

    The rate of circumcision in the US is still amazingly high:

    Across the 32-year period from 1979 through 2010, the national rate of newborn circumcision declined 10% overall, from 64.5% to 58.3% .

    What decline there has been was concentrated in the West. There was no decline in the Northeast.

    • Replies: @Formerly CARealist
    Presumably that's 58.3% of males. Otherwise there's a real problem.

    Mothers want their sons to be like their husbands. I wouldn't expect the rate to change quickly.

    FWIW my pediatrician recommends it.
  130. @Corvinus
    "I suggest removing from our soil all the people from terror-exporting countries that we can, blocking further immigration of same, and profiling the ones that remain."

    Well, that's not going to fly, especially if those "people from terror-exporting countries" are American citizens. How do you "suggest" we suspend their liberties?

    Well, that’s not going to fly, especially if those “people from terror-exporting countries” are American citizens. How do you “suggest” we suspend their liberties?

    By just doing it.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "By just doing it."

    You're line of thinking may work for a Nike advertisement, but in reality, there is a host of hurdles to overcome and complications that will arise.
  131. @anonymous
    Trump blows. He should've been all over the phony transcript of the Orlando 911 call released by the Ministry of Truth.

    Instead his Twitter congratulated the winning PGA golfer and not much else.

    So Rick Scott and Paul Ryan got credit for forcing Obama to release a full transcript.

    Trump blows another one!

    No, that’s exactly the kind of retarded triviality that the cucks thrive on. Obama made the donkeys look like idiot school marms, and Paul Ryan pulled his mincing little smart-alek routine.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    ... Paul Ryan pulled his mincing little smart-alek routine.
     
    Indeed the most odious person in public life.

    Scum like Soros and Zuck are acting on deeply ingrained impulses against white people having coherent nations and pushing policies hugely beneficial to keeping the world ever more prostrate for their looting. They are just straight up enemies of republican virtue, nations, the West and whites--my enemy.

    But Ryan is just a vile little rodent. Squealing pompously, while selling out his own people and bending over for his masters. I'd say Ryan is the simian very of a sewer rat--but that would be maligning the superior character of rats.
  132. @Jack D
    So much for the vaunted Israeli fence:


    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/21/world/middleeast/west-bank-israel-palestinians-smugglers.html

    Doing the jobs Israelis won’t do …..

    $65 is lot to pay in tolls, but Delaware, that charges about $15 for the privilege of passing through their state is also up there …..

  133. @27 year old
    I think I remember reading a commenter on here that Haaretz is the "left wing" / social justice warrior newspaper, for SJW israelis. So they probably somehow think that israel's wall is bad for israel too. Maybe I'm remembering wrong?

    You have it basically right re Ha’aretz. Ha’aretz is NYTimes establishment-lefty in outlook (they circulate the Int’l NYTimes in the Israeli market), and has 6.5% market share. The leading outlets, including Sheldon Adelson’s right-wing Israel Hayom and centrist Yedioth Ahronoth have between 30% and 40% each. Ha’aretz gets more attention than it deserves internationally due to its better-established English language side. There’s a reason the Netanyahu is PM and not leaving any time soon.

    I’d attribute their hypocrisy to general left-wing hypocrisy (e.g. ever find an Ivy-League liberal who did not live in a mostly-white neighborhood?) and not to anything particularly Jewish or Israeli.

  134. @Discard
    Why do Moslems get credit for preserving classical texts, when the Greek-speaking Byzantines had them all along, in the original language?

    Why do blacks get credit for peanut butter? Multicultis have to have *something* to talk about to disprove the superiority of European Christian civilization, so they make stuff up. If the stuff is sort of vaguely related to the truth, so much the better.

  135. @Anonymous
    As an investigator and someone familiar with airline security I can tell you that the only way to elicit nefarious intentions is through extensive questioning. The TSA's $200 million/year behavioral detection program is a huge waste of money. It is based on a bogus theory of non-verbal communication (micro-expressions) of psychologist Paul Ekman (Ph.D., Adelphi University). El Al has 40 flights a day. There are 40k flights in the U.S. per day. It is impractical for the TSA to use large-scale extensive questioning. Or even small-scale questioning. And TSA's policy is to treat a U.S. Senator or 90-year old WWII veteran with the same level of security screening as a 20-year old male coming through on a Saudi passport. So adding this extra questioning would shut down airlines. Plus, TSA would have no one qualified to do the questioning. TSA inspectors are made up of former TSA supervisors, the majority of whom have no college degree and were working at Home Depot or Walmart prior to being hired by TSA at $27k/year. The TSA would be a million times more effective if they scrapped the behavioral detection program and brought in bomb-sniffing dogs at the checkpoints and baggage screening areas.

    Is Paul Ekman’s face-reading really bogus? I bought one of his books and found it interesting and quite persuasive.

    It taught me to notice, for example, that flash of raw emotion that the face reveals (on meeting someone, or taking a question etc.) before the half-second it takes to control ones features.

    It also taught me to recognise the fake smile (the rock-steady eyebrows which do not move together) and to notice more about people being quietly disturbed or unhappy or disgusted in various ways (useful in Asia where outright contradiction is often discouraged).

    But it is also extremely difficult to work out what is precisely going on (assuming it works); often all I can say is that something is going on. Also it seems to me that gut reactions (‘Oh God not my friends again when I am tired and want to be left alone’) do not necessarily signal base disapproval or whatever.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    Is Paul Ekman’s face-reading really bogus?
     
    Oh, him. He's the woo-merchant who was partly responsible for fitting up a demonstrably innocent (albeit possibly slightly Aspergery) Scottish schoolboy for the murder of his girlfriend.
    Leaving the prime (DNA) suspect free to haunt the community for decades. I wondered where he'd scuttled off to.
    (if this is wandering off into Actionable Land, kill this remark please Steve. Your libel laws are wondrous strange).
  136. @cwhatfuture
    Why do you read or quote Haaretz? Almost no one in Israel does. It is by far the least read of any of the "major" Israeli papers, although it is certainly read by the left wing professors of Tel Aviv. In 2011 it had a 5.8% market share and it has dropped ever since. (essentially Israel is one market - think of it as a large US city) It is a nothing but an even more poorly read NY Times in Hebrew and with the same prejudices. If they are against Trump, rest assured the other 97% of Israel thinks Trump is great.

    In 2011 it had a 5.8% market share

    A market share only slightly smaller than the population share that all flavors of gays (3.8%), Muslims (.9%) and Jews (1.4%) have in the US. And we never cease hearing about homophobia, Islamophobia, and the holocaust.

    Back in 2011 I think it was, “Frugal Dad” (blogger) pointed out in his excellent infographic on media consolidation that, at the time, 232 media executives control “the information diet” of 277 million Americans.

    That’s a population share of .0008375 percent.

    The whole point of MSM today is to have the smallest market share with the biggest impact. It’s about delivering some content to the few and much content to the many. And then there are the few in charge of propagandizing the many, as you note:

    although it is certainly read by the left wing professors of Tel Aviv.

    OT maybe: I noted this morning while looking at Haaretz that the pop-out teaser to get me to subscribe showed Michelangelo’s Creation of David from the Sistine Chapel ceiling and under it, “How the Jews created God and made him great.” You have to admit, that’s some serious brass-naddery…demonstrating that the whole Jewish thing is not about God at all, at least for Haaretz readers. I.e., not about religion.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The Tel Aviv professors who read Haaretz are secular Jews and it is likely that many are agnostic or atheist. But you are mistaken if you think that is true of Israeli Jews in general.
  137. @anonymous
    Shia tend to have distinct combinations of suspect first names, last names, colorful clothing, and jewelry(color gemstone rings and mini-sword necklaces) that make them really easy to spot.

    Yet it’s Sunni who seem to provide most of the terrorist personnel.

  138. @Bee
    In the linked Taki artcle, Steve wrote:
    "For example, it appears to be widely assumed that Trump, like the little child in Hans Christian Andersen’s The Emperor’s New Clothes, could blurt out that, say, the reason blacks get in trouble with the police so much is because they murder people at seven to eight times the rate of whites. Or Trump could mention the highly relevant fact that Jews, despite being only one-fiftieth of the population, make up one-third or more of the Forbes 400."

    Obviously, murdering people is bad and is a problem.

    But what are we to making of the fact that one third of the Forbes 400 are Jewish? Is this "bad" on the part of the Jews? If Trump were to say the above fact, would this be a "problem" to be "addressed"? Would the U.S. then implement laws to take money away from those super-wealthy Jews, as well as to put in other laws making sure Jews don't become billionaires ever again?

    Of course, taxes to redistribute income from the very rich are one thing - but presumably you would tax them regardless of their ethnic background (and obviously, I'm pretty sure most American Jews support such taxes - ask Bernie Sanders).

    What's also interesting is that out of the top 25 American billionaires, every single one whose wealth was inherited was non-Jewish. Most of the top Jewish billionaires have companies that "make something" - Oracle, Facebook, Bloomberg, Google, etc. - people who became billionaires because a mass of Americans chose to indulge in their products.

    Interesting that mass murder and making a lot of money selling products that people buy are considered equal offenses against the American character.

    Most of the top Jewish billionaires have companies that “make something” – Oracle, Facebook, Bloomberg, Google, etc. – people who became billionaires because a mass of Americans chose to indulge in their products.

    M’kay. . . and when the offspring of the founders inherit, where will they come in the rankings?

    • Replies: @Bee
    Beats me. I'm simply commenting on the list as is.

    As is, the Forbes 25 Americans includes 2 Koches, 4 Waltons, 3 Mars's, and one Laureen Powell Jobs.

    The 15 remaining names (the non-inheritors), consist of Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Jeff Bezos, Phil Knight, Anne Cox Chambers - all WASPs -

    --- and 10 Jews - Larry Ellison, Mark Zuckerberg, Michael Bloomberg, Larry Page, Sergey Brin, Sheldon Adelson, George Soros, Steve Ballmer, Carl Icahn, and Michael Dell - all or most of whom, as we know, became billionaires through a little Jewish cronyism here and a bit of gentile-sponsored favoritism there (try it sometime, it's easy!).

    I do find it interesting that only WASPs and Jews crack the top 25 list. No other ethnic group got in there - no Italians - etc. Steve Jobs was a bit of an "exotic" there before he left his money to his wife - both by birth (Syrian) and adoption (Armenian).
    , @Bee
    *Marses.
    , @Bee
    *Oh, I almost forgot, Larry Ellison's biological father was apparently Italian (Larry was raised by his mother's Jewish family), although that sounds a little suspicious.
  139. @carol
    Still, how can you tell someone is Muslim. Is this on the passport? Otherwise what you're really looking for is swarthy ME types.

    If they say they’re Christian, ask them to recite The Lord’s Prayer in Arabic. Have an Arab Christian clergyman on hand to verify. As there’s little love lost between Arab Christians and Arab Muslims, you can count on that clergyman being motivated.

    If one Muslim out of a hundred can pass the test, then we’ve solved 99% of the problem, which is pretty damned good. But we’re not dealing with a high-competency population anyway. In Israel, for instance, you can determine with 99.99% accuracy if a swarthy middle eastern type is an Arab or a Jew by just hearing him speak Hebrew. (Unless he’s over 65, in which case he could be a first-generation immigrant from the Arab world who didn’t arrive young enough to absorb the Israeli Jewish accent.)

    • Replies: @Jimi Shmendrix
    Even older Israelis from Arab countries (like my mother and in-laws for example) still sound different than local Arabs when speaking Hebrew. Something in the intonation...There are exceptions though; one of my cousins who attended University of Haifa used to tell me about Arab students who were virtually indistinguishable from mizrahi Jews, until they switch to Arabic.
    , @PiltdownMan

    If they say they’re Christian, ask them to recite The Lord’s Prayer in Arabic.
     

    This may be an acid test for Christian faith, but I can't see most Muslims, radical or otherwise, having any problem reciting it, since the words are pretty generically monotheistic in nature. The specific problem Muslims have is in affirming the divinity of Jesus Christ and the idea of the Holy Trinity, i.e. Nicene creed issues.

    Another good test would be to have them recite some Hindu mantra about the incarnations of Vishnu or some such or perhaps have them bow to a small Hindu idol. Or course, that would screen out many Christians and Jews, too...

    I'm no expert on this Muslim theological stuff, but another practical problem is that the doctrine of Taqqiyah, I think, lets a true blue jihadi dress up as a Catholic bishop and administer Mass, if the jihadist mission so requires it.

  140. JSM says:
    @Svigor
    This one is a winner. I think even the media knows not to trumpet this stuff too loudly, because they've long been in the tank for Israel, so the American people have swilled the Israeli Kool-Aid; they're likely to find Trump's logic persuasive.

    I've been saying for years that a truly patriotic American pol could make a lot of hay by doing this, so I'm glad to see Trump taking up the mantle (again).

    Oh, regarding what I was saying about swing states in the "microphone" thread:

    Swing State Polls Show Close Race Between Clinton, Trump

    Svig, you rock!

    I had heartburn yesterday about these national polls, until I’d read your comment about the importance of the swing state polls, not the national polls. ( You reminded me that, after all, even if Hillary is winning by yuuuuuuge margins in states she’d win anyway, that can skew national polls without changing electoral college votes one whit.) So, when I saw that Breitbart article you just linked to, I showed it to hubby. We both slept much better.

  141. @Luke Ford
    Somebody should write a book on The Gifts of the Muslims, cataloging their many contributions to first world civilization.

    Then next they could do the Puerto Ricans and then the Somalis.

    Somebody should write a book on The Gifts of the Muslims, cataloging their many contributions to first world civilization.

    A Muslim named Ibn Khaldun wrote a book called Muqaddimah.

    The end.

    Please let me know if you find a publisher for my work.

  142. Ater 9-11 they said they were looking for a needle in a haystack and some spook said bring me the whole haystack, round up all the info, everything and everybody. Sounds like our tax dollars at work. Brilliant. Make that stack galactic and that way we won’t have to profile or discriminate. I’ve heard there’s lots of money in those haystacks, too.

  143. @International Jew
    If they say they're Christian, ask them to recite The Lord's Prayer in Arabic. Have an Arab Christian clergyman on hand to verify. As there's little love lost between Arab Christians and Arab Muslims, you can count on that clergyman being motivated.

    If one Muslim out of a hundred can pass the test, then we've solved 99% of the problem, which is pretty damned good. But we're not dealing with a high-competency population anyway. In Israel, for instance, you can determine with 99.99% accuracy if a swarthy middle eastern type is an Arab or a Jew by just hearing him speak Hebrew. (Unless he's over 65, in which case he could be a first-generation immigrant from the Arab world who didn't arrive young enough to absorb the Israeli Jewish accent.)

    Even older Israelis from Arab countries (like my mother and in-laws for example) still sound different than local Arabs when speaking Hebrew. Something in the intonation…There are exceptions though; one of my cousins who attended University of Haifa used to tell me about Arab students who were virtually indistinguishable from mizrahi Jews, until they switch to Arabic.

    • Replies: @International Jew

    Arab students who were virtually indistinguishable from mizrahi Jews, until they switch to Arabic.
     
    I've never seen that, and most of my contact with Israeli Arabs has in fact been in university settings!

    And why would that be surprising? Hebrew is a second language for them.

    If you can find me a youtube video of an Arab speaking unaccented Israeli Hebrew (of whatever social class, including mizrahi), I'll be very interested to watch it.
  144. @grapesoda
    Ugh, so much discussion and so many wrong answers. You ban immigrants from COUNTRIES which have a history of terrorism and antagonism to the US. This in fact is what the Trump team has moved towards, but I'm not gonna look it up right now. There is no way they ever could or would ban "Muslims," per se.

    You ban immigrants from COUNTRIES which have a history of terrorism and antagonism to the US. This in fact is what the Trump team has moved towards, but I’m not gonna look it up right now. There is no way they ever could or would ban “Muslims,” per se.

    Then you’d have to ban immigration from countries like France, Sweden, and Britain, which have large populations of radical Muslims. Why not just ban the group of people causing the problem … which is Muslims?

    When people say “You can’t ban Muslims immigrants” it sounds a lot like “You can’t deport illegals”. What they really mean is “I don’t think you should do X”, not that X is actually not possible.

  145. If South African whites were more like Jews, right now we’d be talking about how the Soweto uprising made peace and the end of Apartheid impossible.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    If South African whites were more like Jews, right now we’d be talking about how the Soweto uprising made peace and the end of Apartheid impossible.
     
    If South African whites were more like Jews, they wouldn't have imported large numbers of blacks into the country for stoop labor, thereby making apartheid necessary. And the one drop rule was stupid. Full-blooded blacks were already 80% of the population. To make mixed-blood South Africans second class citizens simply compounded white numerical inferiority.

    If they had any sense, they would have created and retreated to a white rump state, and built fences to avoid being demographically overwhelmed, much as the Israelis did with respect to the Palestinians. The Israelis overran the West Bank and Gaza in 67, but mainly to achieve strategic depth. Over 90% of those areas are still populated by Palestinians. (The principal difference is Israel mans the West Bank's external borders to prevent terrorist infiltration and conventional invasion). At 6x Israel's territory, a 47,000 sq mile white South Africa (10% of RSA's land area) would have plenty of strategic depth. It's not as if ramshackle African armies could roll over a well-organized white-run military based on a population of 4.5m.
  146. @Stealth
    For the most part, people resent Jewish success because they feel that a good portion of it is the result of cronyism among Jews themselves and favoritism on the part of certain white gentiles.

    There is some evidence that this is at least partially the case. There are already three Jews on the Supreme Court, for instance. Obama's latest nominee is a potential number four. The last three Fed chairmen have been Jewish. You can say that's a result of them being smarter than the rest of us, but that explanation just doesn't hold water when you take into account what a small percentage of the population Jewish people are. Both Asians and Ashkenazi Jews are smarter on average than white gentiles, but there are probably a hundred and seventy or eighty million white gentiles in the United States; the idea that there just aren't any non-Jewish American whites who are qualified to occupy these positions is nuts. And that's just the political realm.

    You would expect such a talented group to be over-represented, but not to such an astounding degree. No man is an island, and no success is one hundred percent individually earned.

    Both Asians and Ashkenazi Jews are smarter on average than white gentiles, but there are probably a hundred and seventy or eighty million white gentiles in the United States; the idea that there just aren’t any non-Jewish American whites who are qualified to occupy these positions is nuts.

    Agree.

    I had made a similar post but it didn’t make it past the moderator. I agree that many Jews are smart and talented, but the disproportionate influence they possess relative to their small numbers is the result of cronyism, nepotism, selective breeding, and the employment of one set of standards for us, another for them.

    • Replies: @Bee
    "but the disproportionate influence they possess relative to their small numbers is the result of cronyism, nepotism, selective breeding, and the employment of one set of standards for us, another for them."

    Duh.

    We all know that Mark Zuckerberg, Michael Bloomberg, Larry Ellison, Sheldon Adelson, Sergey Brin, and Michael Dell are all the result of careful, selective breeding (their parents' marriages were arranged, for one thing, in the Indian tradition).

    The media certainly treats them all with "one set of standards", in a way it doesn't treat the likes of Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Jeff Bezos, Anne Cox, etc. Kid gloves! I've certainly never heard Sheldon Adelson repeatedly mocked and derided from everything from his looks to his influence on politicians.

    And yes, the above all also skated to the top of the billionaires' pile through special perks and favors they all got. Your theory is totally sound here, and replete with evidence.
  147. JSM: happy to help. Guess it beat benadryl, or a glass of warm milk? ;)

    No, that’s exactly the kind of retarded triviality that the cucks thrive on. Obama made the donkeys look like idiot school marms, and Paul Ryan pulled his mincing little smart-alek routine.

    The NY Post actually made a good point, that the ones Obama made a fool of were his colored female stepnfetchits; in this case, Loretta Lynch, and in the case of the Benghazi video excuse, Susan Rice.

  148. So much for the vaunted Israeli fence:

    Well, that’s what the NYT want their goy readers to think, anyway.

  149. @Big Bill
    It's the same the world over. Ask the Hutu about the Tutsi, the Igbo about the Yoruba, the Xhosa about the Zulu, and vice-versa. Stereotyping doesn't seem to guilt any of them.

    It’s the same the world over. Ask the Hutu about the Tutsi, the Igbo about the Yoruba, the Xhosa about the Zulu, and vice-versa. Stereotyping doesn’t seem to guilt any of them.

    Discrimination between self and non-self is the function of the immune system. The fact that our societal immune system has been inactivated or, indeed, inverted (to favor non-self over self) makes us an outlier.

  150. @schmenz
    I don't suppose Mr Trump could take a step back and see that all the problems we are now having with radical Muslims has to do with our one-sided policies in the Holy Land.

    No, I didn't think so.

    “all the problems we are now having with radical Muslims has to do with our one-sided policies in the Holy Land.”

    Makes sense. They behave so well every other place where they live such as France, Belgium, the UK, Sweden.

    • Replies: @schmenz
    In our modern era they behaved extremely well in many places....prior to about 1948 or so. Something odd happened in the Holy Land around that time that changed their attitude. Can't think of what that was, though.

    Can you?

  151. @Mr. Anon
    "The TSA would be a million times more effective if they scrapped the behavioral detection program and brought in bomb-sniffing dogs at the checkpoints and baggage screening areas."

    I don't believe the real purpose of the TSA is to find bombs. The real purpose of it is to humilitate people, seize thier cash, and accustom them to the police-state. If the security areas were intended for the detection of bombs in the hands of suicide bombers, shouldn't they be equipped with some kind of ballistic shielding - kevlar blankets at minimum - in case the bomber, once discovered, elected to martyr himself right there?

    ‘I don’t believe the real purpose of the TSA is to find bombs. The real purpose of it is to humilitate people, seize thier cash, and accustom them to the police-state.”

    I think you’re giving Congress, President W. etc way too much credit for planning and forethought.

    The TSA was created because they had to be seen doing something in response to 9/11. The TSA was that something. Like most government agencies, its creation was hurried and poorly planned. And like most if not all government agencies, it will continue to grow and receive increased funding in close correlation with their rate of failure at their primary assigned tasks.

    The TSA is merely security theater.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Yes, that was a lot of the impetus when it started - being seen to do something, which is always a government imperative. But I think it has since been repurposed. I think that some people in the shadowy parts of the government are interested to see just how much humiliation and abuse the American public will stand. Evidently, the answer is: A Lot.
  152. @biz

    You can say that’s a result of them being smarter than the rest of us, but that explanation just doesn’t hold water when you take into account what a small percentage of the population Jewish people are.
     
    Actually, you can run the numbers and you'd be surprised. Take the average American IQ (100) and standard deviation (15), an estimate for the average Jewish American IQ (115) and standard deviation (15) and the percentage of Jews in the population (say 2%) and just by doing an itegral of a Gaussian function you can calculate the percentage of Jews among people above a certain IQ. The numbers are:

    IQ Percent of pop. above that IQ that is Jewish:
    120 8.1
    130 13.7
    140 25.2
    145 35.3

    Pick a profession in which you think Jews are overrepresented and think about what the minimum IQ to enter that profession is. With something like a leading scientist it is probably around 145, and so you would expect from IQ effects alone that Jews would be 35.3% of leading scientists. This sounds about right. Then there are all the effects of working hard, a culture where parents expect achievement, etc, and so high numbers of Jews in these various positions need not be attributed to nepotism.

    It’s not about presence in “professions”. It’s about presence in the most valuable societal niches. And your numbers can’t explain that.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Have you never heard the expression "smart money"? For example, befor Sumner Redstone became the billionaire who owns CBS/Viacom he graduated from Harvard in 3 years and was a codebreaker for the US Army.
  153. anon • Disclaimer says:

    In America it prevents politicians from stereotyping Hispanics, African Americans, Asians and, of course, Jews as well.

    Jews aren’t really driven by “Is it good for the Jews”, they’re driven by its unspoken corollary “Is it bad for the gentiles”, particularly whites, as is the case here. It’s that whole scorpion/frog thing. When America is 10 per cent Muslim it isn’t going to be good for the Jews. When Europe is majority Muslim it’s lights out for Israel. The survivors can take comfort in their hate.

  154. If Steve Sailer is any kind of an admirer of Israel and is neutral on, if not friendly toward, the Jews, perhaps he might indicate as much to the horde of Jew bashers who praise his pieces on Takimag. You can’t control your commenters, but you needn’t pour on the fuel that feeds their fire. To be fair, Jews get bashed on every article that appears on Takimag regardless of the subject, so it’s not just Steve Sailer whose pieces elicit the reaction.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    Guess you'll have to console yourself, somehow, with the mere 100% of the MSM and 99.99% of the websites that conform to your desires.
  155. Apparently, liberal Jews think Trump shouldn’t mention Israel’s ethnic profiling because it is the country’s dirty secret and no one else can be trusted to use it ethically. The Haaretz tendency is aware of the West Bank where Palestinians are kept without rights or normal opportunities the Jewish settlers have, on the pretext that a settlement in which Israel will be giving land to the Arab of the West Bank for their own state is being worked on. It isn’t going to happen, and the West Bank Arabs are going to have to be given full rights, kept in an Apartheid system, or sent packing, because they will never be reconciled. They refused a genuinely serious final settlement offer from Barak; they want it all and if the the Israeli establishment is not willing to offend some important sectors of opinion in the US the Arabs will win in the end. If Clinton is elected she will continue intervening to freeze the Middle East.

    The author of the Haaretz piece is by cognitive dissonance taking his people’s side against the grave demographic and political peril that leaving the Arabs in the West Bank represents to Israel as a Jewish state. Ignoring the aforementioned peril, he is pretending that Israel faces only external danger from unsympathetic gentile countries, while in the US’s only ignorance of the way Israel’s main minority is treated stops the deranged WASPs using their control of the Supreme court to facilitate a regime which will end up with a loudspeaker suddenly barking “All Jews to Times Square !”

    The gentile problem for Israel is not Trump giving the game away about Arabs getting the evil eye there, it’s the mass West Bank Arabs sitting tight while the US says they must get most of the occupied territories as their own state sooner or later (this is bipartisann US policy officially). One day Israel will be forced to choose between expelling the West Bank Arabs and remaining a Jewish state. On that day the liberal armchair Jews will disown Israel for deciding to survive, because they actually look to the US as a moral exemplar. It’s the one place where they care about being respected. Going out on a limb to say what needs to be done and being willing to take the heat for it, like Trump has, is only for those who care about their country above all else. It’s never going to be about the US taking Israel’s worst practices and turning them on Jews, it might be Trump as president could give Israel the courage to do what they should have done in 1967, given a US hands off in a fluid situation .

    • Replies: @Big Bill

    One day Israel will be forced to choose between expelling the West Bank Arabs and remaining a Jewish state. On that day the liberal armchair Jews will disown Israel for deciding to survive, because they actually look to the US as a moral exemplar.
     
    Nah. Diaspora Jews may be fat pleasure seekers (compared to Israelis) but they are not suicidal. They know they don't measure up to The New Hebrew Man in Israel but they desperately need him, so they won't cut their ties.
  156. @Bill
    The rate of circumcision in the US is still amazingly high:

    Across the 32-year period from 1979 through 2010, the national rate of newborn circumcision declined 10% overall, from 64.5% to 58.3% .
     
    What decline there has been was concentrated in the West. There was no decline in the Northeast.

    Presumably that’s 58.3% of males. Otherwise there’s a real problem.

    Mothers want their sons to be like their husbands. I wouldn’t expect the rate to change quickly.

    FWIW my pediatrician recommends it.

    • Replies: @Henry Bowman
    Did you?
    , @Bill
    Do you think mothers make the decision? At least for married couples, I would be surprised to find out that was so.
    , @Bill
    Also, I doubt that the circumcision rate for non-Hispanic whites has declined at all. Hispanics and Asians are less likely to circumcise, and the big decline in circumcision rates has happened in the West, where demographic changes have been large. Circ rates for "whites" have declined, but "white" includes hispanic in those stats.

    Interestingly, as I googled around, I found an article claiming that circ rate in AZ among Medicaid recipients fell 20 percentage points when Medicaid stopped paying for it.
  157. @Mr. Anon
    "And Mohammed Atta’s behaviour pre-9/11 makes the ‘bacon sandwich and glass of beer’ test look fallible."

    Muslims don't seem to have a problem enjoying alcohol as a guilty pleasure. However, thier aversion to pork seems to be an actual revulsion - not something they feel guilty about after the fact, but rather something that elicits disgust up-front. The Orlando murderer threated to shoot his whole class at a picnic because some pulled-pork touched his hamburger. Granted, he was nuts, but the almost instinctual aversion to pork doesn't seem uncommon among muslims.

    Say you were at a class picnic and some Chinese guy’s grilled dog (not hot dog, just dog) touched your hamburger. How would you react?

    • Replies: @Big Bill
    Apples to apples: if I was an Anglo gwailo born and raised in China (as Mateen was born and raised in America) I wouldn't care because I would be eating a dog sandwich, too.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Say you were at a class picnic and some Chinese guy’s grilled dog (not hot dog, just dog) touched your hamburger. How would you react?"

    So you think threatening to shoot up a whole picnic gathering over a little tref morsel is justified? Okay........different strokes and all.
    , @ben tillman

    Say you were at a class picnic and some Chinese guy’s grilled dog (not hot dog, just dog) touched your hamburger. How would you react?
     
    I wouldn't react at all. Nor would you, since you didn't have a problem with his dog meat cooking next to your hamburger in the first place.

    If either of us reacted, it would be when we found he was cooking dog meat, not when the meat touched ours.
  158. @ben tillman
    It's not about presence in "professions". It's about presence in the most valuable societal niches. And your numbers can't explain that.

    Have you never heard the expression “smart money”? For example, befor Sumner Redstone became the billionaire who owns CBS/Viacom he graduated from Harvard in 3 years and was a codebreaker for the US Army.

  159. @Discard
    Why do Moslems get credit for preserving classical texts, when the Greek-speaking Byzantines had them all along, in the original language?

    While these things may have existed on a shelf in a Greek monastery somewhere, the way they entered the modern West was often via translations of Arabic works. A lot of mathematical/scientific words in English are Arabic as a result – algorithm, algebra, alcohol, alchemy, alembic, alkali, etc. (al is a prefix meaning “the” in Arabic).

    A lot of the scientific work that was done in the Middle Ages in Arab lands was done by non-Arabs but at least they were still doing scientific work at a time when Western Christians were more interested in how many angels could dance on the head of a pin and other pressing theological questions. But the torch got passed back to the West a good 500 years ago while the Arab world seems to have deteriorated. Missing out on the wealth explosion from the discovery of the Americas and then the Industrial Revolution was a double whammy from which they never recovered.

    • Replies: @Antonymous
    My understanding is that early Islamic expansion (Umayyad caliphate) 'preserved' Greek works by plundering the libraries and monasteries of Antioch, Damascus, and Alexandria, among others. These writings were then lost to the west for a millenia. In fact Enlightenment era ferment was made possible largely by Rome and the Vatican, which maintained classical Roman (and to a lesser extent Greek) literature. I suspect this is why mathematicians and philosophers wrote formally in Latin until the mid-1800's, rather than Greek, because much of Greek learning was sequestered in hostile Ottoman-controlled lands.

    Early Arab scholars, such as they were, appear to have been good at copying original works from lands they occupied. And if I may sardonically state, then taking credit via the "al-" naming conventions. Greek learning is but one example. Persian and Uzbeki intellectual centers, thinking specifically of Samarkand, were pulled into the orbit of the Arab conquerers, as were northwestern Indians ("arabic" numerals). Arabs, and especially Islamic rote learning, should not be confused with the progenitors of ancient mathematics and philosophy.
    , @Bill
    That's a mixture of falsity and half-truth. Classical Greek works were not gathering dust in Byzantine monasteries. Byzantine culture was civilized and Greek, so obviously Classical Greek works were known to educated people. Furthermore, the Muslims got the Classical Greek works from the Byzantines, they didn't preserve anything. Basically, you want to give the Muslims credit for preserving Classical Greek works because they didn't burn all the copies they got hold of via conquest.

    The translations of the Classical Greek works of philosophy acquired from the Arabs sucked, having been translated multiple times through several languages including (the non-Indo-European language) Arabic. They were also a small subset of the works which eventually flowed from Constantinople to the West. The Arab translations sped up the re-acquisition of this knowledge by a century or so. Of course, if the Muslims hadn't invaded half the Mediterranean world, sending it spiralling into chaos in the first place, the works would likely have been recovered earlier, not later.

    There was little important scientific work done in the Middle Ages (or any other time) by Muslims. Your slippery "in Arab lands" allows you to give Muslims credit for work done by non-Muslims from recently conquered lands. Even this work wasn't all that impressive.

    The claim that the philosophical and mathematical advances being made in the Middle Ages in Western Europe were arguments about how many angels could dance on the head of a pin is pure delusion (also, it's quite bizarre, given the importance you seem to place on the Greek works of philosophy which the Arabs transmitted). What was happening was the development and spread of the formal logical structure and methods upon which all the advances of western science depend.

    There was no golden age of Islamic science.

  160. @Bill B.
    Is Paul Ekman's face-reading really bogus? I bought one of his books and found it interesting and quite persuasive.

    It taught me to notice, for example, that flash of raw emotion that the face reveals (on meeting someone, or taking a question etc.) before the half-second it takes to control ones features.

    It also taught me to recognise the fake smile (the rock-steady eyebrows which do not move together) and to notice more about people being quietly disturbed or unhappy or disgusted in various ways (useful in Asia where outright contradiction is often discouraged).

    But it is also extremely difficult to work out what is precisely going on (assuming it works); often all I can say is that something is going on. Also it seems to me that gut reactions ('Oh God not my friends again when I am tired and want to be left alone') do not necessarily signal base disapproval or whatever.

    Is Paul Ekman’s face-reading really bogus?

    Oh, him. He’s the woo-merchant who was partly responsible for fitting up a demonstrably innocent (albeit possibly slightly Aspergery) Scottish schoolboy for the murder of his girlfriend.
    Leaving the prime (DNA) suspect free to haunt the community for decades. I wondered where he’d scuttled off to.
    (if this is wandering off into Actionable Land, kill this remark please Steve. Your libel laws are wondrous strange).

  161. @William Badwhite
    "all the problems we are now having with radical Muslims has to do with our one-sided policies in the Holy Land."

    Makes sense. They behave so well every other place where they live such as France, Belgium, the UK, Sweden.

    In our modern era they behaved extremely well in many places….prior to about 1948 or so. Something odd happened in the Holy Land around that time that changed their attitude. Can’t think of what that was, though.

    Can you?

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    "In our modern era they behaved extremely well in many places"

    Such as? Prior to 1948 the West had not gone insane and allowed them to live among us. Where they did live as a significant minority (e.g. Philippines) they misbehaved as they do now.

    " Something odd happened in the Holy Land around that time that changed their attitude"

    So Islam was a Religion of Peace until 1948. That's an..interesting...take on things. What time are you due back at the BDS rally?
  162. @Stebbing Heuer
    Not always:

    http://quadrant.org.au/flexible-multiculturalism/

    And Mohammed Atta's behaviour pre-9/11 makes the 'bacon sandwich and glass of beer' test look fallible.

    And Mohammed Atta’s behaviour pre-9/11 makes the ‘bacon sandwich and glass of beer’ test look fallible.

    The revulsion to pork is a dead giveaway. Some Muslims will not only drink, but seek out, alcohol when away from their home countries. With very few exceptions, they never eat pork products. I know a number of non-practicing Muslims who drink alcohol. None of them knowingly eats pork. The attitude seems to be that alcohol is forbidden fruit, whereas pork is merely revolting.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "The attitude seems to be that alcohol is forbidden fruit, whereas pork is merely revolting."

    A good reason why they should not be welcome in western countries.

    , @Expletive Deleted

    pork is merely revolting
     
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3PxfkD4TrwY/TrqBjDBVbTI/AAAAAAAAAC0/oQv-0RIg5Hs/s1600/DSC_6838_albany_co_fair_pig_wrestling.jpg
    Sling them in the pen with this lot. Covers most of the "triggers" for Islamic fanatics.
  163. @Formerly CARealist
    Presumably that's 58.3% of males. Otherwise there's a real problem.

    Mothers want their sons to be like their husbands. I wouldn't expect the rate to change quickly.

    FWIW my pediatrician recommends it.

    Did you?

  164. “not the oppressed minority that The Narrative is constantly attempting to portray them as”

    -I’m not sure what you mean. Obviously, there’s a lot of anti-Semitism in the world, and much of that is ”specifically based” on the fact that many Jews are rich. So I have no idea how the fact that many Jews are rich negates the idea that people hate Jews.

    If Jews were the beneficiaries of affirmative action or the like, you’d obviously have a point. But they’re not.

    Although Jews have the most hate crimes committed against them in the U.S. (more than against Muslims), so I’m not sure what your point is.

    “people resent Jewish success because they feel that a good portion of it is the result of cronyism among Jews themselves and favoritism on the part of certain white gentiles.”

    Right, because anyone can become a billionaire through “cronyism”, and only Jews practice “cronyism”. Ever heard of “Robber barons”?

    If it was so easy to become a billionaire through whatever “crony” tactics you have in mind, everybody would do it, or at least enough people to balance out the Jews.

    “favoritism on the part of certain white gentiles” is a new one. So I guess those white gentiles said to the Jew, “eh, YOU take the billions this time”.

    Wouldn’t the 10 non-Jews who inherited enough money to rank among the 25 richest people in the U.S. be a better example of cronyism than the 10 Jews, none of whom inherited such massive amounts of money? Isn’t this stunningly obvious?

    I repeat my question. Steve Sailer said it’s “very relevant” that Jews are overrepresented among Forbes’ billionaires. To who is it “very relevant”, and what would those people do with this information? What laws would the U.S. congress pass to rectify the “problem”?

    It’s this nutcase idea that diverging from the mean is bad regardless of where you diverge. If you have a super-high murder rate, higher than that of non-Jewish whites, that’s bad (well, of course it is), but if you take the opposite route and make lots more money on average than non-Jewish whites, that’s “bad”, too!

    You have to conform to the mean of white Swiss-American adoptees, seems to be the message.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "Steve Sailer said it’s “very relevant” that Jews are overrepresented among Forbes’ billionaires. To who is it “very relevant”,"

    To Jews, judging from the American Jewish media and from Israeli media, who love to count all the Jews on the Forbes 400:

    http://takimag.com/article/jewish_wealth_by_the_numbers_steve_sailer/print#axzz4C6TJq2tB

    On the other hand, the mainstream media in the U.S. almost never ever touches the subject.

    , @Steve Sailer
    "Steve Sailer said it’s “very relevant” that Jews are overrepresented among Forbes’ billionaires. To who is it “very relevant”,"

    To Jews, judging from the American Jewish media and from Israeli media, who love to count all the Jews on the Forbes 400:

    http://takimag.com/article/jewish_wealth_by_the_numbers_steve_sailer/print#axzz4C6TJq2tB

    On the other hand, the mainstream media in the U.S. almost never ever touches the subject.

    , @ben tillman

    If Jews were the beneficiaries of affirmative action or the like, you’d obviously have a point. But they’re not.
     
    That's not what the [Jewish] owner of this website says:

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

    Wouldn’t the 10 non-Jews who inherited enough money to rank among the 25 richest people in the U.S. be a better example of cronyism than the 10 Jews, none of whom inherited such massive amounts of money? Isn’t this stunningly obvious?
     
    Not to anyone who knows what "cronyism" means:

    the appointment of friends and associates to positions of authority, without proper regard to their qualifications
    , @anon

    Right, because anyone can become a billionaire through “cronyism”
     
    If they're connected to the inner circle of the central banking mafia then yes.

    It's one of those simple but hard to click things.

    New money doesn't inflate the existing supply when it is created but when it is spent so if you're the one creating it or the one first spending it into the economy then you effectively steal value from the existing supply.

    It's legalized counterfeiting that over time gradually transfers all wealth to the banking mafia - until the economy collapses from excessive concentration of wealth (no one else has any money to spend) and the civilization with it. At which point the banking mafia move to a new host.

    As the banking mafia are destructive parasites they seek to protect themselves by corrupting the political process and buying up all the mass media.

    Jews != banking mafia but banking mafia = Jews (mostly).
  165. @Svigor
    If South African whites were more like Jews, right now we'd be talking about how the Soweto uprising made peace and the end of Apartheid impossible.

    If South African whites were more like Jews, right now we’d be talking about how the Soweto uprising made peace and the end of Apartheid impossible.

    If South African whites were more like Jews, they wouldn’t have imported large numbers of blacks into the country for stoop labor, thereby making apartheid necessary. And the one drop rule was stupid. Full-blooded blacks were already 80% of the population. To make mixed-blood South Africans second class citizens simply compounded white numerical inferiority.

    If they had any sense, they would have created and retreated to a white rump state, and built fences to avoid being demographically overwhelmed, much as the Israelis did with respect to the Palestinians. The Israelis overran the West Bank and Gaza in 67, but mainly to achieve strategic depth. Over 90% of those areas are still populated by Palestinians. (The principal difference is Israel mans the West Bank’s external borders to prevent terrorist infiltration and conventional invasion). At 6x Israel’s territory, a 47,000 sq mile white South Africa (10% of RSA’s land area) would have plenty of strategic depth. It’s not as if ramshackle African armies could roll over a well-organized white-run military based on a population of 4.5m.

    • Replies: @anon

    If South African whites were more like Jews, they wouldn’t have imported large numbers of blacks into the country for stoop labor, thereby making apartheid necessary.
     
    Wasn't the labor imported to work the gold and diamond mines? Who owns them?
    , @ben tillman

    If South African whites were more like Jews, they wouldn’t have imported large numbers of blacks into the country for stoop labor, thereby making apartheid necessary.
     
    The "South African whites" who imported large numbers of blacks into the country for stoop labor were largely Jewish, and this sort of policy is much more typical of Jews than of Whites.
    , @AnotherDad

    If South African whites were more like Jews, they wouldn’t have imported large numbers of blacks into the country for stoop labor, thereby making apartheid necessary.
     
    I think you mean Israelis circa 1948. They were "build your own society" types.

    Jews, generically, are fully on board the cheap labor train--ex. Postville. In a gentile societies, they expect to be in positions on top, which means having coolies sweating underneath.

    Unfortunately for Israel, i think the republican spirit of early Israel is badly eroded. My impression--low data--is there is plenty of cheap labor hustling going on in Israel too. They are just much better\saner about trying to avoid it becoming settlement.

    ~~~

    If they had any sense, they would have created and retreated to a white rump state, and built fences to avoid being demographically overwhelmed, much as the Israelis did with respect to the Palestinians.
     
    Fully on board with this.

    South Africa is a tragedy. It's the full on "should have picked our own damn cotton" debacle. They could have had a marvelous beautiful white nation there if they'd adopted a very hard "this is or land" policy and chased off the blacks from the get go. Since scattering of blacks who were there decreased substantially with the mfecane, the Boers might have been able to just push 'em out. But you can't really do any sort of slavery and still end up your own nation.

    When apartheid became unsustainable was the time to be bold and realistic. Falling back to a white state in the Western\Northern Cape would have been the sustainable option. I suppose it was too hard for whites--living well--to give up their homes and businesses and for their community to reverse the Great Trek and all that. But taking the PC, kumbaya singing option means that in the long run they will all have to leave and have no nation at all. Whites can live around blacks when whites are in charge. But anything black run will decay to a level of disorder and dysfunction well below the norms most white people will want to tolerate.
  166. @Lurker

    Most of the top Jewish billionaires have companies that “make something” – Oracle, Facebook, Bloomberg, Google, etc. – people who became billionaires because a mass of Americans chose to indulge in their products.
     
    M'kay. . . and when the offspring of the founders inherit, where will they come in the rankings?

    Beats me. I’m simply commenting on the list as is.

    As is, the Forbes 25 Americans includes 2 Koches, 4 Waltons, 3 Mars’s, and one Laureen Powell Jobs.

    The 15 remaining names (the non-inheritors), consist of Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Jeff Bezos, Phil Knight, Anne Cox Chambers – all WASPs -

    — and 10 Jews – Larry Ellison, Mark Zuckerberg, Michael Bloomberg, Larry Page, Sergey Brin, Sheldon Adelson, George Soros, Steve Ballmer, Carl Icahn, and Michael Dell – all or most of whom, as we know, became billionaires through a little Jewish cronyism here and a bit of gentile-sponsored favoritism there (try it sometime, it’s easy!).

    I do find it interesting that only WASPs and Jews crack the top 25 list. No other ethnic group got in there – no Italians – etc. Steve Jobs was a bit of an “exotic” there before he left his money to his wife – both by birth (Syrian) and adoption (Armenian).

  167. @Lurker

    Most of the top Jewish billionaires have companies that “make something” – Oracle, Facebook, Bloomberg, Google, etc. – people who became billionaires because a mass of Americans chose to indulge in their products.
     
    M'kay. . . and when the offspring of the founders inherit, where will they come in the rankings?

    *Marses.

  168. @Lurker

    Most of the top Jewish billionaires have companies that “make something” – Oracle, Facebook, Bloomberg, Google, etc. – people who became billionaires because a mass of Americans chose to indulge in their products.
     
    M'kay. . . and when the offspring of the founders inherit, where will they come in the rankings?

    *Oh, I almost forgot, Larry Ellison’s biological father was apparently Italian (Larry was raised by his mother’s Jewish family), although that sounds a little suspicious.

  169. If Steve Sailer is any kind of an admirer of Israel and is neutral on, if not friendly toward, the Jews, perhaps he might indicate as much to the horde of Jew bashers who praise his pieces on Takimag. You can’t control your commenters, but you needn’t pour on the fuel that feeds their fire. To be fair, Jews get bashed on every article that appears on Takimag regardless of the subject, so it’s not just Steve Sailer whose pieces elicit the reaction.

    Free speech attracts Jew-bashers, what are ya gonna do? Jews have been so successful in their propaganda efforts that few westerners will tolerate any criticism of Jews whatsoever, so all their critics are channeled into the few true free-speech venues that remain.

    If you don’t like it, there’s always the other 99.99% of the web, which suits your criteria just fine.

  170. @Dr. X

    Both Asians and Ashkenazi Jews are smarter on average than white gentiles, but there are probably a hundred and seventy or eighty million white gentiles in the United States; the idea that there just aren’t any non-Jewish American whites who are qualified to occupy these positions is nuts.
     
    Agree.

    I had made a similar post but it didn't make it past the moderator. I agree that many Jews are smart and talented, but the disproportionate influence they possess relative to their small numbers is the result of cronyism, nepotism, selective breeding, and the employment of one set of standards for us, another for them.

    “but the disproportionate influence they possess relative to their small numbers is the result of cronyism, nepotism, selective breeding, and the employment of one set of standards for us, another for them.”

    Duh.

    We all know that Mark Zuckerberg, Michael Bloomberg, Larry Ellison, Sheldon Adelson, Sergey Brin, and Michael Dell are all the result of careful, selective breeding (their parents’ marriages were arranged, for one thing, in the Indian tradition).

    The media certainly treats them all with “one set of standards”, in a way it doesn’t treat the likes of Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Jeff Bezos, Anne Cox, etc. Kid gloves! I’ve certainly never heard Sheldon Adelson repeatedly mocked and derided from everything from his looks to his influence on politicians.

    And yes, the above all also skated to the top of the billionaires’ pile through special perks and favors they all got. Your theory is totally sound here, and replete with evidence.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    That's good Bee. Anecdote is not the plural of data. But hey, Karl Marx, Sigmund Freud, Trotsky and the Frankfurt School; and BTW David Axelrod, Rahm Emmanuel, Jonathan Gruber and Ben Rhodes. Oh, and the ACLU, the SPLC, the law profession and funding the leftwing idiocy with our money.

    We would not mind the disproportionate influence if it wasn't accompanied by the relentless anti-Americanism, the demonization of whites and shifting the costs of social engineering from your fellows onto the middle class, while simultaneously rent-seeking to make yourselves fabulously wealthy (cf. Larry Ellison).

    But when you need someone to arrest the progress of the demons you have summoned – you will find that the well-meaning, honest and virtuous northern European descendants you would have been able to rely upon are sitting on their hands.

    Which is really too bad for you. Because it did not have to be this way.
  171. @Bee
    "not the oppressed minority that The Narrative is constantly attempting to portray them as"

    -I'm not sure what you mean. Obviously, there's a lot of anti-Semitism in the world, and much of that is ''specifically based'' on the fact that many Jews are rich. So I have no idea how the fact that many Jews are rich negates the idea that people hate Jews.

    If Jews were the beneficiaries of affirmative action or the like, you'd obviously have a point. But they're not.

    Although Jews have the most hate crimes committed against them in the U.S. (more than against Muslims), so I'm not sure what your point is.

    "people resent Jewish success because they feel that a good portion of it is the result of cronyism among Jews themselves and favoritism on the part of certain white gentiles."

    Right, because anyone can become a billionaire through "cronyism", and only Jews practice "cronyism". Ever heard of "Robber barons"?

    If it was so easy to become a billionaire through whatever "crony" tactics you have in mind, everybody would do it, or at least enough people to balance out the Jews.

    "favoritism on the part of certain white gentiles" is a new one. So I guess those white gentiles said to the Jew, "eh, YOU take the billions this time".

    Wouldn't the 10 non-Jews who inherited enough money to rank among the 25 richest people in the U.S. be a better example of cronyism than the 10 Jews, none of whom inherited such massive amounts of money? Isn't this stunningly obvious?

    I repeat my question. Steve Sailer said it's "very relevant" that Jews are overrepresented among Forbes' billionaires. To who is it "very relevant", and what would those people do with this information? What laws would the U.S. congress pass to rectify the "problem"?

    It's this nutcase idea that diverging from the mean is bad regardless of where you diverge. If you have a super-high murder rate, higher than that of non-Jewish whites, that's bad (well, of course it is), but if you take the opposite route and make lots more money on average than non-Jewish whites, that's "bad", too!

    You have to conform to the mean of white Swiss-American adoptees, seems to be the message.

    “Steve Sailer said it’s “very relevant” that Jews are overrepresented among Forbes’ billionaires. To who is it “very relevant”,”

    To Jews, judging from the American Jewish media and from Israeli media, who love to count all the Jews on the Forbes 400:

    http://takimag.com/article/jewish_wealth_by_the_numbers_steve_sailer/print#axzz4C6TJq2tB

    On the other hand, the mainstream media in the U.S. almost never ever touches the subject.

  172. @Bee
    "not the oppressed minority that The Narrative is constantly attempting to portray them as"

    -I'm not sure what you mean. Obviously, there's a lot of anti-Semitism in the world, and much of that is ''specifically based'' on the fact that many Jews are rich. So I have no idea how the fact that many Jews are rich negates the idea that people hate Jews.

    If Jews were the beneficiaries of affirmative action or the like, you'd obviously have a point. But they're not.

    Although Jews have the most hate crimes committed against them in the U.S. (more than against Muslims), so I'm not sure what your point is.

    "people resent Jewish success because they feel that a good portion of it is the result of cronyism among Jews themselves and favoritism on the part of certain white gentiles."

    Right, because anyone can become a billionaire through "cronyism", and only Jews practice "cronyism". Ever heard of "Robber barons"?

    If it was so easy to become a billionaire through whatever "crony" tactics you have in mind, everybody would do it, or at least enough people to balance out the Jews.

    "favoritism on the part of certain white gentiles" is a new one. So I guess those white gentiles said to the Jew, "eh, YOU take the billions this time".

    Wouldn't the 10 non-Jews who inherited enough money to rank among the 25 richest people in the U.S. be a better example of cronyism than the 10 Jews, none of whom inherited such massive amounts of money? Isn't this stunningly obvious?

    I repeat my question. Steve Sailer said it's "very relevant" that Jews are overrepresented among Forbes' billionaires. To who is it "very relevant", and what would those people do with this information? What laws would the U.S. congress pass to rectify the "problem"?

    It's this nutcase idea that diverging from the mean is bad regardless of where you diverge. If you have a super-high murder rate, higher than that of non-Jewish whites, that's bad (well, of course it is), but if you take the opposite route and make lots more money on average than non-Jewish whites, that's "bad", too!

    You have to conform to the mean of white Swiss-American adoptees, seems to be the message.

    “Steve Sailer said it’s “very relevant” that Jews are overrepresented among Forbes’ billionaires. To who is it “very relevant”,”

    To Jews, judging from the American Jewish media and from Israeli media, who love to count all the Jews on the Forbes 400:

    http://takimag.com/article/jewish_wealth_by_the_numbers_steve_sailer/print#axzz4C6TJq2tB

    On the other hand, the mainstream media in the U.S. almost never ever touches the subject.

    • Replies: @Bee
    Yes, Jewish papers list Jewish billionaires (and other celebrities), just as, say, Canadian web sites list off Canadian billionaires, and LDS websites list off LDS billionaires (http://www.mormonstoday.com/010629/B2MormonBillionaires01.shtml), etc.

    The mainstream media doesn't tend to discuss the religion, or specific caucasian ethnicity, of lists of billionaires, in general - although the Jewishness of Zuckerberg, Brin, Dell, etc. has been noted in a multitude of biographical profiles.

    You seemed to imply that the "average American" should know that 1/3 or whatnot of the top billionaires are Jewish. I'm genuinely curious (not trolling!) - why do you want them to know this information, and what do you want them to do with this information?

    Does this mean more Jewish immigration to the U.S. - or less?
    , @Big Bill
    Its tough for Jews in the West. Its like being a white Rhodesian. You know you are way smarter than the natives. You are too polite to say so. You know if Mugabe/Trump ever gets in office and you have to leave, everything will go to hell.

    You tell the natives (nicely) that the infrastructure is going to crumble, the power plants shut down, the hospitals go dark, the food go unplanted and natives go hungry. Yet they look you in the eye, smile, and say "we know, but we would still rather rule ourselves". How the hell do you deal with that?
  173. @Steve Sailer
    "Steve Sailer said it’s “very relevant” that Jews are overrepresented among Forbes’ billionaires. To who is it “very relevant”,"

    To Jews, judging from the American Jewish media and from Israeli media, who love to count all the Jews on the Forbes 400:

    http://takimag.com/article/jewish_wealth_by_the_numbers_steve_sailer/print#axzz4C6TJq2tB

    On the other hand, the mainstream media in the U.S. almost never ever touches the subject.

    Yes, Jewish papers list Jewish billionaires (and other celebrities), just as, say, Canadian web sites list off Canadian billionaires, and LDS websites list off LDS billionaires (http://www.mormonstoday.com/010629/B2MormonBillionaires01.shtml), etc.

    The mainstream media doesn’t tend to discuss the religion, or specific caucasian ethnicity, of lists of billionaires, in general – although the Jewishness of Zuckerberg, Brin, Dell, etc. has been noted in a multitude of biographical profiles.

    You seemed to imply that the “average American” should know that 1/3 or whatnot of the top billionaires are Jewish. I’m genuinely curious (not trolling!) – why do you want them to know this information, and what do you want them to do with this information?

    Does this mean more Jewish immigration to the U.S. – or less?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Because knowledge is good.
    , @SFG
    I doubt you will see much more Jewish immigration to the U.S. Most Jews already live in either the USA or Israel. The only big population that's feeling the heat from Muslims is French Jews, and they're largely going to Israel.
    , @Big Bill

    You seemed to imply that the “average American” should know that 1/3 or whatnot of the top billionaires are Jewish. I’m genuinely curious (not trolling!) – why do you want them to know this information, and what do you want them to do with this information?
     
    Everybody wants to know. Everybody.
    Example: Tongans were lumped in with "Asia-Pacific Islanders" for decades. When the University of California limited "Asian" enrollment, the smartest "Asians" were accepted. One problem: Tongans are as dumb as a box of rocks. As a result, they never made the cut at UCLA. Koreans and Chinese always beat them out as the "smartest Asians". So the Tongans asked to be separated out from the "Asia-Pacific Islander" quota group and given their own racial quota. UCLA agreed. It worked. Tongan enrollment jumped.

    Europeans are the "dummy" white people ... as compared to Jews, anyway. As long as Jews and Europeans are lumped together as "whites", Europeans are always going to get the short end of the stick. When qualified "whites" have to give up seats at Harvard/Yale/Stanford to make room for lesser-qualified NAMs, it is the Europeans who are going to lose their seats, not Jews. Heck, even the Tongans could figure that out!

    It truly is inevitable. Everyone is going to want their own quota category, which Macklin Fleming pointed out in his prescient 1969 letter to Louis Pollack (p. 47):

    http://www.lukeford.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/20080522_197001904theblackquotaatyalelawschoolmacklinfleming.pdf

    Think of proportional representation this way: does a US Supreme Court with four out of nine Jewish justices (and no WASPs) really "look like America" (to use SJW quota-speak). Four of nine justices is over two thousand and one hundred percent (2100%) Jewish "overrepresentation"! Yikes!
    , @Mr. Anon
    "You seemed to imply that the “average American” should know that 1/3 or whatnot of the top billionaires are Jewish. I’m genuinely curious (not trolling!) – why do you want them to know this information, and what do you want them to do with this information?"

    If it is a fact, why should it not be known? Are you anti-fact? Perhaps those people can decide for themselves what value that information has.
    , @Mr. Anon
    Do you think that people should not be made aware of the fact that a group that constitutes not more than 3% of the population, constitutes 33% (maybe, going on 44%) of the Supreme Court, and 10% of the Senate? Is that fact irrelevant?
    , @ben tillman

    You seemed to imply that the “average American” should know that 1/3 or whatnot of the top billionaires are Jewish. I’m genuinely curious (not trolling!) – why do you want them to know this information, and what do you want them to do with this information?
     
    I want them to defend themselves. This fact is part of one defense against the genocidal "white privilege" meme.
  174. @Bee
    Yes, Jewish papers list Jewish billionaires (and other celebrities), just as, say, Canadian web sites list off Canadian billionaires, and LDS websites list off LDS billionaires (http://www.mormonstoday.com/010629/B2MormonBillionaires01.shtml), etc.

    The mainstream media doesn't tend to discuss the religion, or specific caucasian ethnicity, of lists of billionaires, in general - although the Jewishness of Zuckerberg, Brin, Dell, etc. has been noted in a multitude of biographical profiles.

    You seemed to imply that the "average American" should know that 1/3 or whatnot of the top billionaires are Jewish. I'm genuinely curious (not trolling!) - why do you want them to know this information, and what do you want them to do with this information?

    Does this mean more Jewish immigration to the U.S. - or less?

    Because knowledge is good.

  175. @Jimi Shmendrix
    What's your deal @Big Bill? Are you one of them Noam Chomsky/Bernie Sanders types who came here for awhile and was the only guy on the kibbutz who managed to not get laid, thereby leading to a lifetime of disenchantment with your Zionist (wet) dream?

    The bride and I go back to 1991. Kept each other sane in Midtown as Midwestern transplants.

  176. OK. So the lesson is what I had already understood it to be: if you’re not of Christian European descent, on the one hand you can’t kill too many people and on the other hand you also can’t make too much money. So many rules.

    • Replies: @Gross Terry
    especially if you use that money to be explicitly hostile to the native culture, through such absurdities as nero marriage or transsexual normalcy.
  177. @Steve Sailer
    "Steve Sailer said it’s “very relevant” that Jews are overrepresented among Forbes’ billionaires. To who is it “very relevant”,"

    To Jews, judging from the American Jewish media and from Israeli media, who love to count all the Jews on the Forbes 400:

    http://takimag.com/article/jewish_wealth_by_the_numbers_steve_sailer/print#axzz4C6TJq2tB

    On the other hand, the mainstream media in the U.S. almost never ever touches the subject.

    Its tough for Jews in the West. Its like being a white Rhodesian. You know you are way smarter than the natives. You are too polite to say so. You know if Mugabe/Trump ever gets in office and you have to leave, everything will go to hell.

    You tell the natives (nicely) that the infrastructure is going to crumble, the power plants shut down, the hospitals go dark, the food go unplanted and natives go hungry. Yet they look you in the eye, smile, and say “we know, but we would still rather rule ourselves”. How the hell do you deal with that?

    • Replies: @SFG
    I'm a little slow when it comes to sarcasm.

    I realize IQ 115 (Jews) - IQ 100 (generic whites) = IQ 100 (generic whites) - IQ 85 (blacks), but generic whites seem quite capable of running a civilization. They did for 3000 years or so...a little less than the Chinese, but still a long time.

    I also don't think Trump's actually going to get rid of the Jews. A couple of Jon Stewart types might have a fit and leave for Israel, but he's likely to have his hands full dealing with resistance to his attempts to crack down on Muslims. You might see an uptick in synagogue vandalism but that's about it. The guy isn't that interested in going after Jews...outside of the alt-right antisemitism levels just aren't that high.
    , @Amasius
    Please tell me this is satire.

    You don't really think "everything will go to hell" without jews in America, do you? Do you know that there are many European nations with small or almost non-existent jewish populations that haven't "gone to hell," or if they have gone to hell it's solely because of third world immigration? Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, Finland, Norway, Belgium, Germany, the Netherlands, Austria, Switzerland, Italy (the northern part at least), the United Kingdom, Ireland? What about the United States before 1900 when they hadn't even arrived in large numbers yet? We were doing pretty well. Why else would they show up?

    The comparison with Rhodesia is totally foolish. Whites built a civilization for blacks which they couldn't handle. Whites built a civilization for themselves which the jews invaded. Whites build and Whites maintain.

    "You tell the natives (nicely) that the infrastructure is going to crumble, the power plants shut down, the hospitals go dark, the food go unplanted and natives go hungry."

    Wow, just wow. Get this, everybody: If Seth Rogen weren't here blessing us with his presence, we couldn't maintain a power plant or a hospital or even harvest crops. Mother of God.

    , @AnotherDad

    Its tough for Jews in the West. Its like being a white Rhodesian. You know you are way smarter than the natives. You are too polite to say so. You know if Mugabe/Trump ever gets in office and you have to leave, everything will go to hell.
     
    Bill could you talk to your people and see if they can hurry on up with it.
    I'm more than ready for this hell.
    , @WJ
    My perception on Jews is that while they might have a high verbal IQ, many have trouble changing a flat tire. I think the power plants would work nicely without them.
  178. @Ullastret
    They used to put your ethnic identity on the national ID card (using a limited number of categories), but they don't anymore.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_identity_card#Question_of_ethnicity

    Did they remove the religion and the nationality/ethnicity?

    • Replies: @Ullastret
    Yes.

    It is unclear whether the birth date according to the Hebrew calendar is on every new card or only on the cards of Jews... a non-Jewish friend who was recently given citizenship says his card has his birthday according to the Hebrew calendar, but I had thought that that was the main way you could still tell if someone was Jewish from the card.

  179. HA says:
    @Jefferson
    "There was even one Muslim who put a bomb in the luggage of his pregnant Irish Catholic “fiancé” and told her he would meet her in Tel Aviv. The questioning of this poor, innocent, Irish Catholic girl is how they found the bomb."

    If she was going to marry a Muslim man than she was no longer an Irish Catholic, she was just Irish and a convert to Islam.

    Even if she didn't marry him, she probably ended up with another Muslim man.

    White women who dig Muslim men tend to exclusively only date/marry Muslim men, just look at Barack Hussein Obama's mama. She got impregnated by a Kenyan Muslim and later married an Indonesian Muslim.

    The irony is that it is Left Wing White women who tend to be attracted to Islamic patriarchy. Once they go Muhammad they can't stop it.

    I can't see White female Right Wingers like Katherine Timpf and Andrea Tantaros for example marrying Muslim men.

    >White women who dig Muslim men tend to exclusively only date/marry Muslim men

    Kind of a tautology there, in that women tend to date/marry the men they dig. But plenty of women dug a Muslim man at one point, and then moved on: Mateen’s first wife, as noted on this site, is now with a Brazilian man, Rita Hayworth married two non-Muslims after divorcing Aly Khan, whichever Gabor sister was deflowered by Attaturk moved on to non-Muslim husbands afterwards, and Jemima Khan was dating the comedian Russel Brand after divorcing her Pakistani husband (and is now back to being Jemima Goldsmith).

    I mean yeah, if a woman becomes a devout Muslim, she is more likely to date someone similar, but that’s presumably true of numerous other faiths.

  180. @Bee
    Yes, Jewish papers list Jewish billionaires (and other celebrities), just as, say, Canadian web sites list off Canadian billionaires, and LDS websites list off LDS billionaires (http://www.mormonstoday.com/010629/B2MormonBillionaires01.shtml), etc.

    The mainstream media doesn't tend to discuss the religion, or specific caucasian ethnicity, of lists of billionaires, in general - although the Jewishness of Zuckerberg, Brin, Dell, etc. has been noted in a multitude of biographical profiles.

    You seemed to imply that the "average American" should know that 1/3 or whatnot of the top billionaires are Jewish. I'm genuinely curious (not trolling!) - why do you want them to know this information, and what do you want them to do with this information?

    Does this mean more Jewish immigration to the U.S. - or less?

    I doubt you will see much more Jewish immigration to the U.S. Most Jews already live in either the USA or Israel. The only big population that’s feeling the heat from Muslims is French Jews, and they’re largely going to Israel.

    • Replies: @Bee
    I know that Jewish immigration is no longer an issue. I was just being a bit ironic.

    BTW, if Americans ought to know that so many self-made billionaires are Jewish, shouldn't they also be told that Jews cured polio, created 95% of popular superheroes, and wrote roughly half of the most popular Christmas songs out there? (oh, and created everyone's favorite web site, "unz.com").

    For example, I remember some weird Fox News segment about a Jewish mother protesting against Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, but I don't recall anyone mentioning that Rudolph was created by a Jew, the song was written by a Jew, etc.
  181. @Karl
    >> [Border Police hassling American Christians on multiple occassions]


    I don't buy this story



    PS: ha-Aretz is leftist trash; much more so in the English edition

    I do. The Israelis are pretty paranoid. And logically so.

  182. @imbroglio
    If Steve Sailer is any kind of an admirer of Israel and is neutral on, if not friendly toward, the Jews, perhaps he might indicate as much to the horde of Jew bashers who praise his pieces on Takimag. You can't control your commenters, but you needn't pour on the fuel that feeds their fire. To be fair, Jews get bashed on every article that appears on Takimag regardless of the subject, so it's not just Steve Sailer whose pieces elicit the reaction.

    Guess you’ll have to console yourself, somehow, with the mere 100% of the MSM and 99.99% of the websites that conform to your desires.

  183. @Formerly CARealist
    Presumably that's 58.3% of males. Otherwise there's a real problem.

    Mothers want their sons to be like their husbands. I wouldn't expect the rate to change quickly.

    FWIW my pediatrician recommends it.

    Do you think mothers make the decision? At least for married couples, I would be surprised to find out that was so.

  184. @Svigor
    This one is a winner. I think even the media knows not to trumpet this stuff too loudly, because they've long been in the tank for Israel, so the American people have swilled the Israeli Kool-Aid; they're likely to find Trump's logic persuasive.

    I've been saying for years that a truly patriotic American pol could make a lot of hay by doing this, so I'm glad to see Trump taking up the mantle (again).

    Oh, regarding what I was saying about swing states in the "microphone" thread:

    Swing State Polls Show Close Race Between Clinton, Trump

    Oh, regarding what I was saying about swing states in the “microphone” thread:

    Swing State Polls Show Close Race Between Clinton, Trump

    Wishful thinking. I think this is the most important election of my lifetime–by far–and i’m pulling hugely for the guy who is actually on the side of Americans.

    Trump has a very solid opportunity to win this thing. But Trump has to get a lot better–fast.

    Basically, to get the numbers of college educated suburbanites he needs–particularly white moms–he is going to have to make precisely the case that Enoch Powell lays out in his brilliant speech:

    The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils. In seeking to do so, it encounters obstacles which are deeply rooted in human nature.

    One is that by the very order of things such evils are not demonstrable until they have occurred: at each stage in their onset there is room for doubt and for dispute whether they be real or imaginary. By the same token, they attract little attention in comparison with current troubles, which are both indisputable and pressing: whence the besetting temptation of all politics to concern itself with the immediate present at the expense of the future.

    Above all, people are disposed to mistake predicting troubles for causing troubles and even for desiring troubles: “If only,” they love to think, “if only people wouldn’t talk about it, it probably wouldn’t happen.”

    Essentially Trump needs to make the case that *his* policies and path will provide a much better *future* for Americans, for our children–the mom appeal–while Hillary is cheerleading us down into the cesspit. And speaking frankly to secure that future “trumps” being “nice”.

    If Trump can’t get most white moms to understand that their “posterity” is much better off if they vote for him … he’s screwed.

    • Replies: @Antonymous
    "If Trump can’t get most white moms to understand that their “posterity” is much better off if they vote him … he’s screwed."

    I agree. It's the worried moms w/o much time to read that I interact with -- "he'll start WW3" is a common concern. Likewise, concerns that he's a cruel tyrant with baseless "xenophobia". It's long slog in mom-world having these views, politely canvassing opinion, and still maintaining friendships for my kids.
  185. Bee says:
    @SFG
    I doubt you will see much more Jewish immigration to the U.S. Most Jews already live in either the USA or Israel. The only big population that's feeling the heat from Muslims is French Jews, and they're largely going to Israel.

    I know that Jewish immigration is no longer an issue. I was just being a bit ironic.

    BTW, if Americans ought to know that so many self-made billionaires are Jewish, shouldn’t they also be told that Jews cured polio, created 95% of popular superheroes, and wrote roughly half of the most popular Christmas songs out there? (oh, and created everyone’s favorite web site, “unz.com”).

    For example, I remember some weird Fox News segment about a Jewish mother protesting against Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, but I don’t recall anyone mentioning that Rudolph was created by a Jew, the song was written by a Jew, etc.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    shouldn’t they also be told that Jews ... wrote roughly half of the most popular Christmas songs out there

    I wrote about the impressive Jewish contribution to Christmas songs and movies:

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/war-against-christmas-2005-competition-iii-christmas-jews-de-assimilation-and-decline

  186. @Bee
    Yes, Jewish papers list Jewish billionaires (and other celebrities), just as, say, Canadian web sites list off Canadian billionaires, and LDS websites list off LDS billionaires (http://www.mormonstoday.com/010629/B2MormonBillionaires01.shtml), etc.

    The mainstream media doesn't tend to discuss the religion, or specific caucasian ethnicity, of lists of billionaires, in general - although the Jewishness of Zuckerberg, Brin, Dell, etc. has been noted in a multitude of biographical profiles.

    You seemed to imply that the "average American" should know that 1/3 or whatnot of the top billionaires are Jewish. I'm genuinely curious (not trolling!) - why do you want them to know this information, and what do you want them to do with this information?

    Does this mean more Jewish immigration to the U.S. - or less?

    You seemed to imply that the “average American” should know that 1/3 or whatnot of the top billionaires are Jewish. I’m genuinely curious (not trolling!) – why do you want them to know this information, and what do you want them to do with this information?

    Everybody wants to know. Everybody.
    Example: Tongans were lumped in with “Asia-Pacific Islanders” for decades. When the University of California limited “Asian” enrollment, the smartest “Asians” were accepted. One problem: Tongans are as dumb as a box of rocks. As a result, they never made the cut at UCLA. Koreans and Chinese always beat them out as the “smartest Asians”. So the Tongans asked to be separated out from the “Asia-Pacific Islander” quota group and given their own racial quota. UCLA agreed. It worked. Tongan enrollment jumped.

    Europeans are the “dummy” white people … as compared to Jews, anyway. As long as Jews and Europeans are lumped together as “whites”, Europeans are always going to get the short end of the stick. When qualified “whites” have to give up seats at Harvard/Yale/Stanford to make room for lesser-qualified NAMs, it is the Europeans who are going to lose their seats, not Jews. Heck, even the Tongans could figure that out!

    It truly is inevitable. Everyone is going to want their own quota category, which Macklin Fleming pointed out in his prescient 1969 letter to Louis Pollack (p. 47):

    http://www.lukeford.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/20080522_197001904theblackquotaatyalelawschoolmacklinfleming.pdf

    Think of proportional representation this way: does a US Supreme Court with four out of nine Jewish justices (and no WASPs) really “look like America” (to use SJW quota-speak). Four of nine justices is over two thousand and one hundred percent (2100%) Jewish “overrepresentation”! Yikes!

  187. @Formerly CARealist
    Presumably that's 58.3% of males. Otherwise there's a real problem.

    Mothers want their sons to be like their husbands. I wouldn't expect the rate to change quickly.

    FWIW my pediatrician recommends it.

    Also, I doubt that the circumcision rate for non-Hispanic whites has declined at all. Hispanics and Asians are less likely to circumcise, and the big decline in circumcision rates has happened in the West, where demographic changes have been large. Circ rates for “whites” have declined, but “white” includes hispanic in those stats.

    Interestingly, as I googled around, I found an article claiming that circ rate in AZ among Medicaid recipients fell 20 percentage points when Medicaid stopped paying for it.

  188. @SFG
    Careful, a lot of the classical works were preserved by Arab scholars. They also did a lot of early scientific work. Their civilization only entered its hidebound phase in the eleventh century or so. Blame al-Ghazali.

    Just because Western Civ is superior to the Islamic version doesn't mean it was *always* so.

    Meh. So the Muslims were good librarians for a couple centuries. I guess we should be thankful they didn’t burn the books they pillaged.

  189. @Bee
    I know that Jewish immigration is no longer an issue. I was just being a bit ironic.

    BTW, if Americans ought to know that so many self-made billionaires are Jewish, shouldn't they also be told that Jews cured polio, created 95% of popular superheroes, and wrote roughly half of the most popular Christmas songs out there? (oh, and created everyone's favorite web site, "unz.com").

    For example, I remember some weird Fox News segment about a Jewish mother protesting against Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, but I don't recall anyone mentioning that Rudolph was created by a Jew, the song was written by a Jew, etc.

    shouldn’t they also be told that Jews … wrote roughly half of the most popular Christmas songs out there

    I wrote about the impressive Jewish contribution to Christmas songs and movies:

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/war-against-christmas-2005-competition-iii-christmas-jews-de-assimilation-and-decline

    • Replies: @Bee
    Jews may not write Christmas songs anymore (no one does), but then again they don't create popular superheroes anymore, either (no one does). Doesn't have anything to do with "de-assimilation".
    , @Luke Ford
    Jews would be thrilled if non-Jews started writing Yom Kippur music.
  190. @Bill
    No, that's exactly the kind of retarded triviality that the cucks thrive on. Obama made the donkeys look like idiot school marms, and Paul Ryan pulled his mincing little smart-alek routine.

    … Paul Ryan pulled his mincing little smart-alek routine.

    Indeed the most odious person in public life.

    Scum like Soros and Zuck are acting on deeply ingrained impulses against white people having coherent nations and pushing policies hugely beneficial to keeping the world ever more prostrate for their looting. They are just straight up enemies of republican virtue, nations, the West and whites–my enemy.

    But Ryan is just a vile little rodent. Squealing pompously, while selling out his own people and bending over for his masters. I’d say Ryan is the simian very of a sewer rat–but that would be maligning the superior character of rats.

    • Replies: @Bill
    Back when I was young, I thought it was odd that guerrilla/terrorist/whatever groups spent more time and effort killing collaborators and moderates on their own side than killing the ostensible enemy. Each year, I find that less and less odd. So, yeah, agree with you 100%.
  191. HA says:
    @SFG
    Careful, a lot of the classical works were preserved by Arab scholars. They also did a lot of early scientific work. Their civilization only entered its hidebound phase in the eleventh century or so. Blame al-Ghazali.

    Just because Western Civ is superior to the Islamic version doesn't mean it was *always* so.

    > They also did a lot of early scientific work. Their civilization only entered its hidebound phase in the eleventh century or so.Blame al-Ghazali.

    There’s more to Islam’s intellectual decay than can be blamed on al-Ghazali (or on Mongols, or on the inbreeding from all those cousin marriages). While al-Ghazali denounced philosophers, he had no beef with harder sciences.

    Moreover, when it comes to Islam’s early scientific advances, it’s worth noting that the area around the Fertile Crescent — say, from Egypt to Persia — had been the epicenter of civilization, and pretty much at or close to the peak of it, for thousands of years before Islam came along. It’s no surprise that Islam would coast on that legacy for at least a few centuries. What is more remarkable is the squalor that that part of the world fell into under Islam’s aegis, and that would still be there were it not for petrodollars. Especially given that it decayed all the while that the so-called barbarians of Europe were being transformed by Christianity into a civilization that far surpassed the Roman one they overran.

    Eric Cheney’s thesis, that Sunni madrassas helped turn the tide, seems more robust than blaming al-Ghazali (though it’s possible that the latter’s legacy helped stultify those madrassas in the first place). As in the case of cousin marriages, that may be too politically incorrect a thesis to ever gain traction. But that doesn’t make it wrong.

  192. @Sean
    Apparently, liberal Jews think Trump shouldn't mention Israel's ethnic profiling because it is the country's dirty secret and no one else can be trusted to use it ethically. The Haaretz tendency is aware of the West Bank where Palestinians are kept without rights or normal opportunities the Jewish settlers have, on the pretext that a settlement in which Israel will be giving land to the Arab of the West Bank for their own state is being worked on. It isn't going to happen, and the West Bank Arabs are going to have to be given full rights, kept in an Apartheid system, or sent packing, because they will never be reconciled. They refused a genuinely serious final settlement offer from Barak; they want it all and if the the Israeli establishment is not willing to offend some important sectors of opinion in the US the Arabs will win in the end. If Clinton is elected she will continue intervening to freeze the Middle East.

    The author of the Haaretz piece is by cognitive dissonance taking his people's side against the grave demographic and political peril that leaving the Arabs in the West Bank represents to Israel as a Jewish state. Ignoring the aforementioned peril, he is pretending that Israel faces only external danger from unsympathetic gentile countries, while in the US's only ignorance of the way Israel's main minority is treated stops the deranged WASPs using their control of the Supreme court to facilitate a regime which will end up with a loudspeaker suddenly barking "All Jews to Times Square !"

    The gentile problem for Israel is not Trump giving the game away about Arabs getting the evil eye there, it's the mass West Bank Arabs sitting tight while the US says they must get most of the occupied territories as their own state sooner or later (this is bipartisann US policy officially). One day Israel will be forced to choose between expelling the West Bank Arabs and remaining a Jewish state. On that day the liberal armchair Jews will disown Israel for deciding to survive, because they actually look to the US as a moral exemplar. It's the one place where they care about being respected. Going out on a limb to say what needs to be done and being willing to take the heat for it, like Trump has, is only for those who care about their country above all else. It's never going to be about the US taking Israel's worst practices and turning them on Jews, it might be Trump as president could give Israel the courage to do what they should have done in 1967, given a US hands off in a fluid situation .

    One day Israel will be forced to choose between expelling the West Bank Arabs and remaining a Jewish state. On that day the liberal armchair Jews will disown Israel for deciding to survive, because they actually look to the US as a moral exemplar.

    Nah. Diaspora Jews may be fat pleasure seekers (compared to Israelis) but they are not suicidal. They know they don’t measure up to The New Hebrew Man in Israel but they desperately need him, so they won’t cut their ties.

  193. @biz

    The irony is that it is Left Wing White women who tend to be attracted to Islamic patriarchy.
     
    It's actually not that ironic. Many women are attracted to domineering, authoritative men. If a woman is progressive, she will feel guilty about this. However going with a Muslim guy allows her to be with the dominating person she is attracted to while convincing herself and others that she is actually doing a progressive, tolerant, open-minded thing by being with someone of another religion / race.

    “It’s actually not that ironic. Many women are attracted to domineering, authoritative men.”

    White Western patriarchy is racist & sexist, but Islamic patriarchy is sexy, domineering, and authoritative.

    • Replies: @SFG
    It's the whole transgressive aspect of it.

    By dating a Muslim, you are giving aid and comfort to an oppressed group, showing how open-minded you are.

    You'd be surprised how many feminists are submissive in bed. (Yes, personal experience.) By coding their femininity as 'transgressive', they give themselves freedom to express it. "I'm not a 1950s housewife, I'm a cool transgressive BDSM scenester!"
  194. @Bee
    "but the disproportionate influence they possess relative to their small numbers is the result of cronyism, nepotism, selective breeding, and the employment of one set of standards for us, another for them."

    Duh.

    We all know that Mark Zuckerberg, Michael Bloomberg, Larry Ellison, Sheldon Adelson, Sergey Brin, and Michael Dell are all the result of careful, selective breeding (their parents' marriages were arranged, for one thing, in the Indian tradition).

    The media certainly treats them all with "one set of standards", in a way it doesn't treat the likes of Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Jeff Bezos, Anne Cox, etc. Kid gloves! I've certainly never heard Sheldon Adelson repeatedly mocked and derided from everything from his looks to his influence on politicians.

    And yes, the above all also skated to the top of the billionaires' pile through special perks and favors they all got. Your theory is totally sound here, and replete with evidence.

    That’s good Bee. Anecdote is not the plural of data. But hey, Karl Marx, Sigmund Freud, Trotsky and the Frankfurt School; and BTW David Axelrod, Rahm Emmanuel, Jonathan Gruber and Ben Rhodes. Oh, and the ACLU, the SPLC, the law profession and funding the leftwing idiocy with our money.

    We would not mind the disproportionate influence if it wasn’t accompanied by the relentless anti-Americanism, the demonization of whites and shifting the costs of social engineering from your fellows onto the middle class, while simultaneously rent-seeking to make yourselves fabulously wealthy (cf. Larry Ellison).

    But when you need someone to arrest the progress of the demons you have summoned – you will find that the well-meaning, honest and virtuous northern European descendants you would have been able to rely upon are sitting on their hands.

    Which is really too bad for you. Because it did not have to be this way.

    • Replies: @Bee
    "Which is really too bad for you. Because it did not have to be this way."

    Okay, okay. I apologize unreservedly.

    Just look at how conservative all those countries with relatively little Jewish political influence turned out to be in comparison to the U.S. (i.e. Canada, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, etc.).

    BTW, what's wrong with Larry Ellison? Don't like Oracle? He even hosted a Rand Paul fundraiser, who I suspect you love.
  195. @Steve Sailer
    shouldn’t they also be told that Jews ... wrote roughly half of the most popular Christmas songs out there

    I wrote about the impressive Jewish contribution to Christmas songs and movies:

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/war-against-christmas-2005-competition-iii-christmas-jews-de-assimilation-and-decline

    Jews may not write Christmas songs anymore (no one does), but then again they don’t create popular superheroes anymore, either (no one does). Doesn’t have anything to do with “de-assimilation”.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    but then again they don’t create popular superheroes anymore, either (no one does).
     
    No, but T. Coates revived and repurposed one this year...

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/may/19/ta-nehisi-coatess-black-panther-is-superhero-success-story

  196. SFG says:
    @Big Bill
    Its tough for Jews in the West. Its like being a white Rhodesian. You know you are way smarter than the natives. You are too polite to say so. You know if Mugabe/Trump ever gets in office and you have to leave, everything will go to hell.

    You tell the natives (nicely) that the infrastructure is going to crumble, the power plants shut down, the hospitals go dark, the food go unplanted and natives go hungry. Yet they look you in the eye, smile, and say "we know, but we would still rather rule ourselves". How the hell do you deal with that?

    I’m a little slow when it comes to sarcasm.

    I realize IQ 115 (Jews) – IQ 100 (generic whites) = IQ 100 (generic whites) – IQ 85 (blacks), but generic whites seem quite capable of running a civilization. They did for 3000 years or so…a little less than the Chinese, but still a long time.

    I also don’t think Trump’s actually going to get rid of the Jews. A couple of Jon Stewart types might have a fit and leave for Israel, but he’s likely to have his hands full dealing with resistance to his attempts to crack down on Muslims. You might see an uptick in synagogue vandalism but that’s about it. The guy isn’t that interested in going after Jews…outside of the alt-right antisemitism levels just aren’t that high.

    • Replies: @Big Bill
    Nobody is going to leave. Certainly not Jon Stewart. What could he possibly do for a living if he moved to Israel? What Israeli would be interested in his shtick? He and the other freakouts are metaphorically holding their breath 'til they turn blue. Let 'em.
    , @Bee
    How can Donald Trump get rid of Jews? He would have no grandkids left! (until his son Eric and his wife have children, that is).

    Or perhaps he'll leave people of a quarter Jewish descent alone, so five of his grandkids can stay.
    , @Jefferson
    "I also don’t think Trump’s actually going to get rid of the Jews."

    Yeah no shit he is not, especially since he has Jewish family members through his daughter converting and his grandchildren.

    "The guy isn’t that interested in going after Jews…outside of the alt-right antisemitism levels just aren’t that high."

    I consider myself to be part of the alt-right and a non anti-Semite at the same time. I would be open to marrying a Jewish woman.

    One of my first childhood crushes on a female celebrity was a Jewish actress named Elizabeth Berkley from Saved By The Bell.
    , @Antonymous
    I think it's wise not to take the 115 average at face value, rather recognizing it as a small subset of Ashkenazis (from German and former Polish commonwealth lands, IIRC). Sephardis score a little below the european average. I've also read speculation that the Victorian upper stratum had strikingly high intelligence - the 115 number was also bandied about - and similarly insular social and marital possibilities. Does consistently high intelligence in a population require a close(d) population group that does not intermarry cousins? (and an academic tradition, accomplishments for women, etc.) So much for "hybrid vigor"?
  197. @Jack D
    Say you were at a class picnic and some Chinese guy's grilled dog (not hot dog, just dog) touched your hamburger. How would you react?

    Apples to apples: if I was an Anglo gwailo born and raised in China (as Mateen was born and raised in America) I wouldn’t care because I would be eating a dog sandwich, too.

  198. SFG says:
    @Jefferson
    "It’s actually not that ironic. Many women are attracted to domineering, authoritative men."

    White Western patriarchy is racist & sexist, but Islamic patriarchy is sexy, domineering, and authoritative.

    It’s the whole transgressive aspect of it.

    By dating a Muslim, you are giving aid and comfort to an oppressed group, showing how open-minded you are.

    You’d be surprised how many feminists are submissive in bed. (Yes, personal experience.) By coding their femininity as ‘transgressive’, they give themselves freedom to express it. “I’m not a 1950s housewife, I’m a cool transgressive BDSM scenester!”

  199. @SFG
    I'm a little slow when it comes to sarcasm.

    I realize IQ 115 (Jews) - IQ 100 (generic whites) = IQ 100 (generic whites) - IQ 85 (blacks), but generic whites seem quite capable of running a civilization. They did for 3000 years or so...a little less than the Chinese, but still a long time.

    I also don't think Trump's actually going to get rid of the Jews. A couple of Jon Stewart types might have a fit and leave for Israel, but he's likely to have his hands full dealing with resistance to his attempts to crack down on Muslims. You might see an uptick in synagogue vandalism but that's about it. The guy isn't that interested in going after Jews...outside of the alt-right antisemitism levels just aren't that high.

    Nobody is going to leave. Certainly not Jon Stewart. What could he possibly do for a living if he moved to Israel? What Israeli would be interested in his shtick? He and the other freakouts are metaphorically holding their breath ’til they turn blue. Let ‘em.

  200. @SFG
    I'm a little slow when it comes to sarcasm.

    I realize IQ 115 (Jews) - IQ 100 (generic whites) = IQ 100 (generic whites) - IQ 85 (blacks), but generic whites seem quite capable of running a civilization. They did for 3000 years or so...a little less than the Chinese, but still a long time.

    I also don't think Trump's actually going to get rid of the Jews. A couple of Jon Stewart types might have a fit and leave for Israel, but he's likely to have his hands full dealing with resistance to his attempts to crack down on Muslims. You might see an uptick in synagogue vandalism but that's about it. The guy isn't that interested in going after Jews...outside of the alt-right antisemitism levels just aren't that high.

    How can Donald Trump get rid of Jews? He would have no grandkids left! (until his son Eric and his wife have children, that is).

    Or perhaps he’ll leave people of a quarter Jewish descent alone, so five of his grandkids can stay.

  201. Bee says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson
    That's good Bee. Anecdote is not the plural of data. But hey, Karl Marx, Sigmund Freud, Trotsky and the Frankfurt School; and BTW David Axelrod, Rahm Emmanuel, Jonathan Gruber and Ben Rhodes. Oh, and the ACLU, the SPLC, the law profession and funding the leftwing idiocy with our money.

    We would not mind the disproportionate influence if it wasn't accompanied by the relentless anti-Americanism, the demonization of whites and shifting the costs of social engineering from your fellows onto the middle class, while simultaneously rent-seeking to make yourselves fabulously wealthy (cf. Larry Ellison).

    But when you need someone to arrest the progress of the demons you have summoned – you will find that the well-meaning, honest and virtuous northern European descendants you would have been able to rely upon are sitting on their hands.

    Which is really too bad for you. Because it did not have to be this way.

    “Which is really too bad for you. Because it did not have to be this way.”

    Okay, okay. I apologize unreservedly.

    Just look at how conservative all those countries with relatively little Jewish political influence turned out to be in comparison to the U.S. (i.e. Canada, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, etc.).

    BTW, what’s wrong with Larry Ellison? Don’t like Oracle? He even hosted a Rand Paul fundraiser, who I suspect you love.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    BTW, what’s wrong with Larry Ellison? Don’t like Oracle?
     
    No I don't like Oracle. But I dislike them less than Microsoft, and Google is the worst of the lot.

    Consolidation in service of efficiency is the antithesis of the interests of America. Other than that, I wish Ellison well and hope he focuses more on his yacht racing and less on shipping American opportunity offshore. Oh, I am happy to condemn Gates, Buffet and the rest of your recitation of the names of the gallery of Rouges. But proportionally, you must admit the difference is breathtaking.

    He even hosted a Rand Paul fundraiser, who I suspect you love.
     
    Not me. Rand exhibits the Asperger's Syndrome symptoms bequeathed to him by his father. Rand wants to loose the inmates incarcerated by common sense and experience. And his grab-your-ankles foreign policy is stupid.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "BTW, what’s wrong with Larry Ellison?"

    He, like most billionaires, supports massive immigration
  202. @SFG
    I'm a little slow when it comes to sarcasm.

    I realize IQ 115 (Jews) - IQ 100 (generic whites) = IQ 100 (generic whites) - IQ 85 (blacks), but generic whites seem quite capable of running a civilization. They did for 3000 years or so...a little less than the Chinese, but still a long time.

    I also don't think Trump's actually going to get rid of the Jews. A couple of Jon Stewart types might have a fit and leave for Israel, but he's likely to have his hands full dealing with resistance to his attempts to crack down on Muslims. You might see an uptick in synagogue vandalism but that's about it. The guy isn't that interested in going after Jews...outside of the alt-right antisemitism levels just aren't that high.

    “I also don’t think Trump’s actually going to get rid of the Jews.”

    Yeah no shit he is not, especially since he has Jewish family members through his daughter converting and his grandchildren.

    “The guy isn’t that interested in going after Jews…outside of the alt-right antisemitism levels just aren’t that high.”

    I consider myself to be part of the alt-right and a non anti-Semite at the same time. I would be open to marrying a Jewish woman.

    One of my first childhood crushes on a female celebrity was a Jewish actress named Elizabeth Berkley from Saved By The Bell.

  203. @International Jew
    If they say they're Christian, ask them to recite The Lord's Prayer in Arabic. Have an Arab Christian clergyman on hand to verify. As there's little love lost between Arab Christians and Arab Muslims, you can count on that clergyman being motivated.

    If one Muslim out of a hundred can pass the test, then we've solved 99% of the problem, which is pretty damned good. But we're not dealing with a high-competency population anyway. In Israel, for instance, you can determine with 99.99% accuracy if a swarthy middle eastern type is an Arab or a Jew by just hearing him speak Hebrew. (Unless he's over 65, in which case he could be a first-generation immigrant from the Arab world who didn't arrive young enough to absorb the Israeli Jewish accent.)

    If they say they’re Christian, ask them to recite The Lord’s Prayer in Arabic.

    This may be an acid test for Christian faith, but I can’t see most Muslims, radical or otherwise, having any problem reciting it, since the words are pretty generically monotheistic in nature. The specific problem Muslims have is in affirming the divinity of Jesus Christ and the idea of the Holy Trinity, i.e. Nicene creed issues.

    Another good test would be to have them recite some Hindu mantra about the incarnations of Vishnu or some such or perhaps have them bow to a small Hindu idol. Or course, that would screen out many Christians and Jews, too…

    I’m no expert on this Muslim theological stuff, but another practical problem is that the doctrine of Taqqiyah, I think, lets a true blue jihadi dress up as a Catholic bishop and administer Mass, if the jihadist mission so requires it.

    • Replies: @International Jew

    the words are pretty generically monotheistic
     
    I think you've misunderstood me. I didn't propose that Arabs be handed a printed text of The Lord's Prayer and asked to read it. No, I'm saying, see if they know it by heart: pop quiz! (And mix it up by asking for different prayers. The Arab Christian clergyman could be relied on to come up with good questions.)
  204. If South African whites were more like Jews, they wouldn’t have imported allowed large numbers of blacks jump the border into the country for stoop labor, thereby making apartheid necessary.

    FIFY.

    Meaning, they should have imported foreign stoop labor from further afield, like the Israelis? Maybe if the South Africans had been less popular among black Africans (say, as popular as Israelis are with the neighboring Arab populations), they would have had more reason to try.

    If they had any sense, they would have created and retreated to a white rump state, and built fences to avoid being demographically overwhelmed, much as the Israelis did with respect to the Palestinians.

    Yeah that was my point.

  205. Just look at how conservative all those countries with relatively little Jewish political influence turned out to be in comparison to the U.S. (i.e. Canada, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, etc.).

    On immigration policy (i.e., what counts), they’re all way more “conservative” than the US, and long have been. Check demographics for details.

    You guys should stop shooting yourselves in the foot on this issue.

    I’ll take any of those countries’ demographics and political situation, any day of the week.

    • Replies: @Bee
    Really? 16% of the population of Norway are immigrants, 14% of Sweden, almost 20% of Canada, etc. Canada has an official multiculturalism policy (rather than "melting pot"). Canada has already admitted more Syrian refugees than the U.S.

    About 13% of the U.S. population is foreign-born, by the way. And that's even with the fact none of the non-U.S. countries are located right next to Mexico.
  206. I realize IQ 107 (Jews) – IQ 100 (generic whites) = IQ 100 (generic whites) – IQ 93 (latinos?), but generic whites seem quite capable of running a civilization. They did for 3000 years or so…a little less than the Chinese, but still a long time.

    FIFY.

    Anybody who thinks the average Jew has an IQ of 115 hasn’t met many.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Anybody who thinks the average Jew has an IQ of 115 hasn’t met many.
     

    You think it's higher, or lower? Please clarify. Thanks.

    My personal unscientific estimate, based on finance industry types I've met over the years, is about 125.

    I wonder what proportion of Mensa USA is Ashkenazi?

  207. @Bee
    "Which is really too bad for you. Because it did not have to be this way."

    Okay, okay. I apologize unreservedly.

    Just look at how conservative all those countries with relatively little Jewish political influence turned out to be in comparison to the U.S. (i.e. Canada, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, etc.).

    BTW, what's wrong with Larry Ellison? Don't like Oracle? He even hosted a Rand Paul fundraiser, who I suspect you love.

    BTW, what’s wrong with Larry Ellison? Don’t like Oracle?

    No I don’t like Oracle. But I dislike them less than Microsoft, and Google is the worst of the lot.

    Consolidation in service of efficiency is the antithesis of the interests of America. Other than that, I wish Ellison well and hope he focuses more on his yacht racing and less on shipping American opportunity offshore. Oh, I am happy to condemn Gates, Buffet and the rest of your recitation of the names of the gallery of Rouges. But proportionally, you must admit the difference is breathtaking.

    He even hosted a Rand Paul fundraiser, who I suspect you love.

    Not me. Rand exhibits the Asperger’s Syndrome symptoms bequeathed to him by his father. Rand wants to loose the inmates incarcerated by common sense and experience. And his grab-your-ankles foreign policy is stupid.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Of all the oligarchs, I find Ellison the least odious. He's content to live like a Bond villain and buy up all the beachfront in Malibu.
  208. @Big Bill
    Its tough for Jews in the West. Its like being a white Rhodesian. You know you are way smarter than the natives. You are too polite to say so. You know if Mugabe/Trump ever gets in office and you have to leave, everything will go to hell.

    You tell the natives (nicely) that the infrastructure is going to crumble, the power plants shut down, the hospitals go dark, the food go unplanted and natives go hungry. Yet they look you in the eye, smile, and say "we know, but we would still rather rule ourselves". How the hell do you deal with that?

    Please tell me this is satire.

    You don’t really think “everything will go to hell” without jews in America, do you? Do you know that there are many European nations with small or almost non-existent jewish populations that haven’t “gone to hell,” or if they have gone to hell it’s solely because of third world immigration? Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, Finland, Norway, Belgium, Germany, the Netherlands, Austria, Switzerland, Italy (the northern part at least), the United Kingdom, Ireland? What about the United States before 1900 when they hadn’t even arrived in large numbers yet? We were doing pretty well. Why else would they show up?

    The comparison with Rhodesia is totally foolish. Whites built a civilization for blacks which they couldn’t handle. Whites built a civilization for themselves which the jews invaded. Whites build and Whites maintain.

    “You tell the natives (nicely) that the infrastructure is going to crumble, the power plants shut down, the hospitals go dark, the food go unplanted and natives go hungry.”

    Wow, just wow. Get this, everybody: If Seth Rogen weren’t here blessing us with his presence, we couldn’t maintain a power plant or a hospital or even harvest crops. Mother of God.

    • Agree: PiltdownMan
  209. @Bee
    "Which is really too bad for you. Because it did not have to be this way."

    Okay, okay. I apologize unreservedly.

    Just look at how conservative all those countries with relatively little Jewish political influence turned out to be in comparison to the U.S. (i.e. Canada, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, etc.).

    BTW, what's wrong with Larry Ellison? Don't like Oracle? He even hosted a Rand Paul fundraiser, who I suspect you love.

    “BTW, what’s wrong with Larry Ellison?”

    He, like most billionaires, supports massive immigration

  210. @Bee
    Yes, Jewish papers list Jewish billionaires (and other celebrities), just as, say, Canadian web sites list off Canadian billionaires, and LDS websites list off LDS billionaires (http://www.mormonstoday.com/010629/B2MormonBillionaires01.shtml), etc.

    The mainstream media doesn't tend to discuss the religion, or specific caucasian ethnicity, of lists of billionaires, in general - although the Jewishness of Zuckerberg, Brin, Dell, etc. has been noted in a multitude of biographical profiles.

    You seemed to imply that the "average American" should know that 1/3 or whatnot of the top billionaires are Jewish. I'm genuinely curious (not trolling!) - why do you want them to know this information, and what do you want them to do with this information?

    Does this mean more Jewish immigration to the U.S. - or less?

    “You seemed to imply that the “average American” should know that 1/3 or whatnot of the top billionaires are Jewish. I’m genuinely curious (not trolling!) – why do you want them to know this information, and what do you want them to do with this information?”

    If it is a fact, why should it not be known? Are you anti-fact? Perhaps those people can decide for themselves what value that information has.

    • Replies: @Bee
    There are many facts out there. So what?

    The ethnic origins of Mark Zuckerberg, Michael Dell, Larry Ellison, etc. have not been whitewashed out of existence. They are widely publicly available to those who care about their ethnicity.

    But it's pretty funny that "huge murder rate" and "making billions of dollars by creating a hugely successful company" are equals sins, or at least ones mentioned as would-be "dirty little secrets" in the same sentence. You would think you'd want more of the latter and less of the former, but again, apparently deviation from the white Christian standard rate on either murder or creating massively successful companies is a no-no around these parts.
  211. @William Badwhite
    'I don’t believe the real purpose of the TSA is to find bombs. The real purpose of it is to humilitate people, seize thier cash, and accustom them to the police-state."

    I think you're giving Congress, President W. etc way too much credit for planning and forethought.

    The TSA was created because they had to be seen doing something in response to 9/11. The TSA was that something. Like most government agencies, its creation was hurried and poorly planned. And like most if not all government agencies, it will continue to grow and receive increased funding in close correlation with their rate of failure at their primary assigned tasks.

    The TSA is merely security theater.

    Yes, that was a lot of the impetus when it started – being seen to do something, which is always a government imperative. But I think it has since been repurposed. I think that some people in the shadowy parts of the government are interested to see just how much humiliation and abuse the American public will stand. Evidently, the answer is: A Lot.

  212. @Jack D
    Say you were at a class picnic and some Chinese guy's grilled dog (not hot dog, just dog) touched your hamburger. How would you react?

    “Say you were at a class picnic and some Chinese guy’s grilled dog (not hot dog, just dog) touched your hamburger. How would you react?”

    So you think threatening to shoot up a whole picnic gathering over a little tref morsel is justified? Okay……..different strokes and all.

  213. @Johann Ricke

    If South African whites were more like Jews, right now we’d be talking about how the Soweto uprising made peace and the end of Apartheid impossible.
     
    If South African whites were more like Jews, they wouldn't have imported large numbers of blacks into the country for stoop labor, thereby making apartheid necessary. And the one drop rule was stupid. Full-blooded blacks were already 80% of the population. To make mixed-blood South Africans second class citizens simply compounded white numerical inferiority.

    If they had any sense, they would have created and retreated to a white rump state, and built fences to avoid being demographically overwhelmed, much as the Israelis did with respect to the Palestinians. The Israelis overran the West Bank and Gaza in 67, but mainly to achieve strategic depth. Over 90% of those areas are still populated by Palestinians. (The principal difference is Israel mans the West Bank's external borders to prevent terrorist infiltration and conventional invasion). At 6x Israel's territory, a 47,000 sq mile white South Africa (10% of RSA's land area) would have plenty of strategic depth. It's not as if ramshackle African armies could roll over a well-organized white-run military based on a population of 4.5m.

    If South African whites were more like Jews, they wouldn’t have imported large numbers of blacks into the country for stoop labor, thereby making apartheid necessary.

    Wasn’t the labor imported to work the gold and diamond mines? Who owns them?

  214. Say you were at a class picnic and some Chinese guy’s grilled dog (not hot dog, just dog) touched your hamburger. How would you react?

    I’d give it to my cat.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Dam you SP, I spewed my beer on this!
  215. @Corvinus
    "The same way the government now suspends our liberties."

    You're being silly. Our current liberties are not "suspended". You are still able to speak your mind in public, obtain a firearm, and contest matters in a court of law.

    Seriously, show me the EXACT blueprint as to how the freedoms of Americans who practice Islam AND who are citizens will be deported WITHOUT violating the Constitution.

    Remember, freedoms are never "free" nor "unlimited". There are ALWAYS restrictions or efforts to limit them. That's the feature, not a bug, of representative democracy, an integral part of the social contract.

    "And when I say “our”, that does not include you."

    You really haven't clearly defined "our" or "we", so I don't see your point.

    " You are not part of my “we”."

    If you are an American citizen, as I, you and I are "we".

    “You’re being silly. Our current liberties are not “suspended”. You are still able to speak your mind in public, obtain a firearm, and contest matters in a court of law.”

    Able to speak your mind in public? Not if you want to have a livelihood. Obtain a firearm? How about carry one? And – anyway – if Hillary has her way, she will try to get them completely banned. How about the right to have your vote count for something? Rather than have legislation you voted for, which passes, vacated by an activist court? How about having the government faithfully execute the laws they are obligated to enforce (like immigration laws) – how about not having your country inundated with illegal foreigners? How about the liberty to not engage in commerce – such as not buying health insurance if you don’t want to?

    “Seriously, show me the EXACT blueprint as to how the freedoms of Americans who practice Islam AND who are citizens will be deported WITHOUT violating the Constitution.”

    First, stop importing muslims. Second deport or induce those who aren’t citizens to leave. The effect on those who remain might be beneficial – to the rest of us, that is.

    “If you are an American citizen, as I, you and I are “we”.”

    Stuff your good government bulls**t. It belongs to a time and country that is dead. You support policies which disenfranchise me in my own country. I don’t recognize you as anything other than my enemy. You and I are not we.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Able to speak your mind in public? Not if you want to have a livelihood."

    All one has to do is go to a Trump rally and see people speaking freely while maintaining their "livelihood".

    "Obtain a firearm? How about carry one?"

    All fifty states have passed laws allowing qualified individuals to carry certain concealed firearms in public, either without a permit or after obtaining a permit from a designated government authority at the state and/or local level.

    "And – anyway – if Hillary has her way, she will try to get them completely banned."

    Try being the operative word. And it's not "banned", it's "restricted". You do realize there is no such thing as unfettered freedom, right?

    "How about the right to have your vote count for something?"

    Every vote in every election is counted.

    "Rather than have legislation you voted for, which passes, vacated by an activist court?"

    It's called checks and balances. Here is a basic primer. There's even lyrics you can find on the Internet.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyLi5tdnONI

    "How about having the government faithfully execute the laws they are obligated to enforce (like immigration laws) – how about not having your country inundated with illegal foreigners?"

    Now here you actually make sense for once.

    "How about the liberty to not engage in commerce – such as not buying health insurance if you don’t want to?"

    You already have that freedom!

    "First, stop importing muslims. Second deport or induce those who aren’t citizens to leave."

    Again, there is no "importation" of Muslims. You haven't offered the specific details, or a "blueprint".

    "Stuff your good government bulls**t. It belongs to a time and country that is dead. You support policies which disenfranchise me in my own country. I don’t recognize you as anything other than my enemy. You and I are not we."

    Our country has many ills, but it is not "dead". Moreover, how is supporting the Constitution "disenfranchising" you? And, it's not "your" country, it is also my country. Hence, it is "our" country, and "we", as citizens of this country, are in the same boat. As far as being your "enemy", you don't even know me.

    Why do you apparently hate humanity so much?
  216. @Johann Ricke

    If South African whites were more like Jews, right now we’d be talking about how the Soweto uprising made peace and the end of Apartheid impossible.
     
    If South African whites were more like Jews, they wouldn't have imported large numbers of blacks into the country for stoop labor, thereby making apartheid necessary. And the one drop rule was stupid. Full-blooded blacks were already 80% of the population. To make mixed-blood South Africans second class citizens simply compounded white numerical inferiority.

    If they had any sense, they would have created and retreated to a white rump state, and built fences to avoid being demographically overwhelmed, much as the Israelis did with respect to the Palestinians. The Israelis overran the West Bank and Gaza in 67, but mainly to achieve strategic depth. Over 90% of those areas are still populated by Palestinians. (The principal difference is Israel mans the West Bank's external borders to prevent terrorist infiltration and conventional invasion). At 6x Israel's territory, a 47,000 sq mile white South Africa (10% of RSA's land area) would have plenty of strategic depth. It's not as if ramshackle African armies could roll over a well-organized white-run military based on a population of 4.5m.

    If South African whites were more like Jews, they wouldn’t have imported large numbers of blacks into the country for stoop labor, thereby making apartheid necessary.

    The “South African whites” who imported large numbers of blacks into the country for stoop labor were largely Jewish, and this sort of policy is much more typical of Jews than of Whites.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    The “South African whites” who imported large numbers of blacks into the country for stoop labor were largely Jewish, and this sort of policy is much more typical of Jews than of Whites.
     
    Not even close. Prior to black rule, every single South African prime minister was a Dutchman (aka Afrikaner). The vast majority of imported blacks worked on Afrikaner farms. The Dutchies were about as far-sighted as southern plantation owners who imported black slaves to the point that they once outnumbered whites in many southern states.
  217. @Johann Ricke

    And Mohammed Atta’s behaviour pre-9/11 makes the ‘bacon sandwich and glass of beer’ test look fallible.
     
    The revulsion to pork is a dead giveaway. Some Muslims will not only drink, but seek out, alcohol when away from their home countries. With very few exceptions, they never eat pork products. I know a number of non-practicing Muslims who drink alcohol. None of them knowingly eats pork. The attitude seems to be that alcohol is forbidden fruit, whereas pork is merely revolting.

    “The attitude seems to be that alcohol is forbidden fruit, whereas pork is merely revolting.”

    A good reason why they should not be welcome in western countries.

  218. @Bee
    Yes, Jewish papers list Jewish billionaires (and other celebrities), just as, say, Canadian web sites list off Canadian billionaires, and LDS websites list off LDS billionaires (http://www.mormonstoday.com/010629/B2MormonBillionaires01.shtml), etc.

    The mainstream media doesn't tend to discuss the religion, or specific caucasian ethnicity, of lists of billionaires, in general - although the Jewishness of Zuckerberg, Brin, Dell, etc. has been noted in a multitude of biographical profiles.

    You seemed to imply that the "average American" should know that 1/3 or whatnot of the top billionaires are Jewish. I'm genuinely curious (not trolling!) - why do you want them to know this information, and what do you want them to do with this information?

    Does this mean more Jewish immigration to the U.S. - or less?

    Do you think that people should not be made aware of the fact that a group that constitutes not more than 3% of the population, constitutes 33% (maybe, going on 44%) of the Supreme Court, and 10% of the Senate? Is that fact irrelevant?

  219. Bee says:
    @Svigor

    Just look at how conservative all those countries with relatively little Jewish political influence turned out to be in comparison to the U.S. (i.e. Canada, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, etc.).
     
    On immigration policy (i.e., what counts), they're all way more "conservative" than the US, and long have been. Check demographics for details.

    You guys should stop shooting yourselves in the foot on this issue.

    I'll take any of those countries' demographics and political situation, any day of the week.

    Really? 16% of the population of Norway are immigrants, 14% of Sweden, almost 20% of Canada, etc. Canada has an official multiculturalism policy (rather than “melting pot”). Canada has already admitted more Syrian refugees than the U.S.

    About 13% of the U.S. population is foreign-born, by the way. And that’s even with the fact none of the non-U.S. countries are located right next to Mexico.

  220. @biz

    You can say that’s a result of them being smarter than the rest of us, but that explanation just doesn’t hold water when you take into account what a small percentage of the population Jewish people are.
     
    Actually, you can run the numbers and you'd be surprised. Take the average American IQ (100) and standard deviation (15), an estimate for the average Jewish American IQ (115) and standard deviation (15) and the percentage of Jews in the population (say 2%) and just by doing an itegral of a Gaussian function you can calculate the percentage of Jews among people above a certain IQ. The numbers are:

    IQ Percent of pop. above that IQ that is Jewish:
    120 8.1
    130 13.7
    140 25.2
    145 35.3

    Pick a profession in which you think Jews are overrepresented and think about what the minimum IQ to enter that profession is. With something like a leading scientist it is probably around 145, and so you would expect from IQ effects alone that Jews would be 35.3% of leading scientists. This sounds about right. Then there are all the effects of working hard, a culture where parents expect achievement, etc, and so high numbers of Jews in these various positions need not be attributed to nepotism.

    Pick a profession in which you think Jews are overrepresented and think about what the minimum IQ to enter that profession is.

    Banking mafia and the media.

    Even if the IQ thing is a full 1SD – which I doubt – massive ethnic nepotism is self-evident.

  221. @Mr. Anon
    "First world civilization, what does this even mean to the average American today?"

    I don't know, but it seems not to register with below average Americans like you.

    "Who even speaks in those terms?"

    We do. Don't like it? Leave.

    “I don’t know, but it seems not to register with below average Americans like you.”

    You can’t even define “pro-white” or “anti-white”, now you want to add to the mix “below average Americans”???

    Why do you continually insist on being vague?

    “We do. Don’t like it? Leave.”

    Again, who is this “we”? And why on earth would millions of “below average Americans” even entertain your fantasy notions?

    “Perhaps those people can decide for themselves what value that information has.”

    Not in your world. White people in particular have no liberty to decide how to look at race related matters, for example. They must look at it from only your perspective.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "You can’t even define “pro-white” or “anti-white".

    Sure I can. The definitions are quite obvious. If you are too stupid to understand them, or too disingenuous to pretend to, that is not my concern.

    "Why do you continually insist on being vague?"

    You can give up this socrcatic honest-seeker-of-truth bullshit. I am not being vauge. I know exactly what I mean, as do most other people. You are just being disingenuous.

    “We do. Don’t like it? Leave.”

    "Again, who is this “we”?"

    It doesn't include you, nitwit.
  222. @Bill

    Well, that’s not going to fly, especially if those “people from terror-exporting countries” are American citizens. How do you “suggest” we suspend their liberties?
     
    By just doing it.

    “By just doing it.”

    You’re line of thinking may work for a Nike advertisement, but in reality, there is a host of hurdles to overcome and complications that will arise.

  223. @Jack D
    Say you were at a class picnic and some Chinese guy's grilled dog (not hot dog, just dog) touched your hamburger. How would you react?

    Say you were at a class picnic and some Chinese guy’s grilled dog (not hot dog, just dog) touched your hamburger. How would you react?

    I wouldn’t react at all. Nor would you, since you didn’t have a problem with his dog meat cooking next to your hamburger in the first place.

    If either of us reacted, it would be when we found he was cooking dog meat, not when the meat touched ours.

  224. Bee says:
    @Mr. Anon
    "You seemed to imply that the “average American” should know that 1/3 or whatnot of the top billionaires are Jewish. I’m genuinely curious (not trolling!) – why do you want them to know this information, and what do you want them to do with this information?"

    If it is a fact, why should it not be known? Are you anti-fact? Perhaps those people can decide for themselves what value that information has.

    There are many facts out there. So what?

    The ethnic origins of Mark Zuckerberg, Michael Dell, Larry Ellison, etc. have not been whitewashed out of existence. They are widely publicly available to those who care about their ethnicity.

    But it’s pretty funny that “huge murder rate” and “making billions of dollars by creating a hugely successful company” are equals sins, or at least ones mentioned as would-be “dirty little secrets” in the same sentence. You would think you’d want more of the latter and less of the former, but again, apparently deviation from the white Christian standard rate on either murder or creating massively successful companies is a no-no around these parts.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "There are many facts out there. So what?"

    They are facts. What do you have against facts. They are also relevant. Isn't it possible that the over-representation of Jews in so many areas might lead to them being able to act in ethnicly self-interested ways. As a member of the (still, barely) majority population, I want my people to have influence at least proportional to their numbers. Right now, they don't. It matters - obviously - who makes decisions, and for what purpose.

    Justices like Elena Kagan and Ruth Bader Ginsburg invoke the doctrine of disparate impact. So what about the disparate impact implied by the fact that their tribe makes up a third of the Supreme Court?

    "The ethnic origins of Mark Zuckerberg, Michael Dell, Larry Ellison, etc. have not been whitewashed out of existence. They are widely publicly available to those who care about their ethnicity."

    This is simply a deceitful statement. Thier ethnicity is not publicly discussed. Any attempt to do so would get one barred from the mainstream means of communication that reach most people. Why is Jon Stewart called Jon Stewart? Is he scottish? Why do you wish information to be kept from people? What have you got to hide?

  225. @Bee
    "not the oppressed minority that The Narrative is constantly attempting to portray them as"

    -I'm not sure what you mean. Obviously, there's a lot of anti-Semitism in the world, and much of that is ''specifically based'' on the fact that many Jews are rich. So I have no idea how the fact that many Jews are rich negates the idea that people hate Jews.

    If Jews were the beneficiaries of affirmative action or the like, you'd obviously have a point. But they're not.

    Although Jews have the most hate crimes committed against them in the U.S. (more than against Muslims), so I'm not sure what your point is.

    "people resent Jewish success because they feel that a good portion of it is the result of cronyism among Jews themselves and favoritism on the part of certain white gentiles."

    Right, because anyone can become a billionaire through "cronyism", and only Jews practice "cronyism". Ever heard of "Robber barons"?

    If it was so easy to become a billionaire through whatever "crony" tactics you have in mind, everybody would do it, or at least enough people to balance out the Jews.

    "favoritism on the part of certain white gentiles" is a new one. So I guess those white gentiles said to the Jew, "eh, YOU take the billions this time".

    Wouldn't the 10 non-Jews who inherited enough money to rank among the 25 richest people in the U.S. be a better example of cronyism than the 10 Jews, none of whom inherited such massive amounts of money? Isn't this stunningly obvious?

    I repeat my question. Steve Sailer said it's "very relevant" that Jews are overrepresented among Forbes' billionaires. To who is it "very relevant", and what would those people do with this information? What laws would the U.S. congress pass to rectify the "problem"?

    It's this nutcase idea that diverging from the mean is bad regardless of where you diverge. If you have a super-high murder rate, higher than that of non-Jewish whites, that's bad (well, of course it is), but if you take the opposite route and make lots more money on average than non-Jewish whites, that's "bad", too!

    You have to conform to the mean of white Swiss-American adoptees, seems to be the message.

    If Jews were the beneficiaries of affirmative action or the like, you’d obviously have a point. But they’re not.

    That’s not what the [Jewish] owner of this website says:

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

    Wouldn’t the 10 non-Jews who inherited enough money to rank among the 25 richest people in the U.S. be a better example of cronyism than the 10 Jews, none of whom inherited such massive amounts of money? Isn’t this stunningly obvious?

    Not to anyone who knows what “cronyism” means:

    the appointment of friends and associates to positions of authority, without proper regard to their qualifications

    • Replies: @Bee
    Cronyism can also include relatives, so I was stretching the definition a bit.

    Anyway, if you choose to believe that Zuckerberg, Ellison (the son of an unwed teen mother), Adelson (the cab driver's son), Dell, Brin, Soros, etc. made their money through "cronyism" (not that that's even possible), while Gates, Buffet, etc. made their money through the goodness of their heart and the purity of their spirit, then believe it.

    In that case, you win the discussion (and probably all other discussions you participate in).
    , @Bee
    "Jewish organizations and their allies mobilized their political and media resources to pressure the universities into increasing their ethnic enrollment by modifying the weight assigned to various academic and non-academic factors, '''raising the importance of the former over the latter'''"

    I don't believe putting an emphasis on academic achievement qualifies as "affirmative action". It's probably more like "the opposite of affirmative action".
  226. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Bee
    "not the oppressed minority that The Narrative is constantly attempting to portray them as"

    -I'm not sure what you mean. Obviously, there's a lot of anti-Semitism in the world, and much of that is ''specifically based'' on the fact that many Jews are rich. So I have no idea how the fact that many Jews are rich negates the idea that people hate Jews.

    If Jews were the beneficiaries of affirmative action or the like, you'd obviously have a point. But they're not.

    Although Jews have the most hate crimes committed against them in the U.S. (more than against Muslims), so I'm not sure what your point is.

    "people resent Jewish success because they feel that a good portion of it is the result of cronyism among Jews themselves and favoritism on the part of certain white gentiles."

    Right, because anyone can become a billionaire through "cronyism", and only Jews practice "cronyism". Ever heard of "Robber barons"?

    If it was so easy to become a billionaire through whatever "crony" tactics you have in mind, everybody would do it, or at least enough people to balance out the Jews.

    "favoritism on the part of certain white gentiles" is a new one. So I guess those white gentiles said to the Jew, "eh, YOU take the billions this time".

    Wouldn't the 10 non-Jews who inherited enough money to rank among the 25 richest people in the U.S. be a better example of cronyism than the 10 Jews, none of whom inherited such massive amounts of money? Isn't this stunningly obvious?

    I repeat my question. Steve Sailer said it's "very relevant" that Jews are overrepresented among Forbes' billionaires. To who is it "very relevant", and what would those people do with this information? What laws would the U.S. congress pass to rectify the "problem"?

    It's this nutcase idea that diverging from the mean is bad regardless of where you diverge. If you have a super-high murder rate, higher than that of non-Jewish whites, that's bad (well, of course it is), but if you take the opposite route and make lots more money on average than non-Jewish whites, that's "bad", too!

    You have to conform to the mean of white Swiss-American adoptees, seems to be the message.

    Right, because anyone can become a billionaire through “cronyism”

    If they’re connected to the inner circle of the central banking mafia then yes.

    It’s one of those simple but hard to click things.

    New money doesn’t inflate the existing supply when it is created but when it is spent so if you’re the one creating it or the one first spending it into the economy then you effectively steal value from the existing supply.

    It’s legalized counterfeiting that over time gradually transfers all wealth to the banking mafia – until the economy collapses from excessive concentration of wealth (no one else has any money to spend) and the civilization with it. At which point the banking mafia move to a new host.

    As the banking mafia are destructive parasites they seek to protect themselves by corrupting the political process and buying up all the mass media.

    Jews != banking mafia but banking mafia = Jews (mostly).

  227. @Bee
    Yes, Jewish papers list Jewish billionaires (and other celebrities), just as, say, Canadian web sites list off Canadian billionaires, and LDS websites list off LDS billionaires (http://www.mormonstoday.com/010629/B2MormonBillionaires01.shtml), etc.

    The mainstream media doesn't tend to discuss the religion, or specific caucasian ethnicity, of lists of billionaires, in general - although the Jewishness of Zuckerberg, Brin, Dell, etc. has been noted in a multitude of biographical profiles.

    You seemed to imply that the "average American" should know that 1/3 or whatnot of the top billionaires are Jewish. I'm genuinely curious (not trolling!) - why do you want them to know this information, and what do you want them to do with this information?

    Does this mean more Jewish immigration to the U.S. - or less?

    You seemed to imply that the “average American” should know that 1/3 or whatnot of the top billionaires are Jewish. I’m genuinely curious (not trolling!) – why do you want them to know this information, and what do you want them to do with this information?

    I want them to defend themselves. This fact is part of one defense against the genocidal “white privilege” meme.

  228. @Big Bill
    Did they remove the religion and the nationality/ethnicity?

    Yes.

    It is unclear whether the birth date according to the Hebrew calendar is on every new card or only on the cards of Jews… a non-Jewish friend who was recently given citizenship says his card has his birthday according to the Hebrew calendar, but I had thought that that was the main way you could still tell if someone was Jewish from the card.

  229. @Svigor

    I realize IQ 107 (Jews) – IQ 100 (generic whites) = IQ 100 (generic whites) – IQ 93 (latinos?), but generic whites seem quite capable of running a civilization. They did for 3000 years or so…a little less than the Chinese, but still a long time.
     
    FIFY.

    Anybody who thinks the average Jew has an IQ of 115 hasn't met many.

    Anybody who thinks the average Jew has an IQ of 115 hasn’t met many.

    You think it’s higher, or lower? Please clarify. Thanks.

    My personal unscientific estimate, based on finance industry types I’ve met over the years, is about 125.

    I wonder what proportion of Mensa USA is Ashkenazi?

    • Replies: @anon

    My personal unscientific estimate, based on finance industry types I’ve met over the years, is about 125.
     
    If they're that smart then to cause so much destruction they must be spectacularly dishonest.
    , @Bill
    107 is about right. Finance attracts very smart Jews, though, no doubt.
  230. @Bee
    Jews may not write Christmas songs anymore (no one does), but then again they don't create popular superheroes anymore, either (no one does). Doesn't have anything to do with "de-assimilation".

    but then again they don’t create popular superheroes anymore, either (no one does).

    No, but T. Coates revived and repurposed one this year…

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/may/19/ta-nehisi-coatess-black-panther-is-superhero-success-story

    • Replies: @Bee
    Yes, Black Panther, created by the same two Jews who created many of the other most famous Marvel characters.

    People on this thread and a few others keep talking about what the U.S. would be like without Jews.

    Well, let's see - two of the ways the U.S. won the 20th century were through popular culture and the nuclear bomb. Jews pretty much created both (i.e. television channels, film studios, Superman, Batman, etc.).

    So that one's out (you can speculate about what would have replaced it, of course, but for argument's sake...). Birth of a Nation would still have gotten made, I assume (the 1915 version). Not sure how well that plays in China.

    I imagine the U.S. would be somewhat more "backward" now than it is - i.e. the first plausible female Presidential candidate didn't run until 2008, which is already behind much of the rest of the civilized world. The Jewish feminist '70s stuff Steve keeps expressing his admiration for didn't get the U.S. all that far compared to some other countries.

    I'd say there's a 30-70 chance the South would still be segregated. That may be a bit too high, but I'd give 20% as a minimum.

    Most Americans probably wouldn't care, though, since most Americans or their grandparents would be dead from polio anyway.
  231. @ben tillman

    If South African whites were more like Jews, they wouldn’t have imported large numbers of blacks into the country for stoop labor, thereby making apartheid necessary.
     
    The "South African whites" who imported large numbers of blacks into the country for stoop labor were largely Jewish, and this sort of policy is much more typical of Jews than of Whites.

    The “South African whites” who imported large numbers of blacks into the country for stoop labor were largely Jewish, and this sort of policy is much more typical of Jews than of Whites.

    Not even close. Prior to black rule, every single South African prime minister was a Dutchman (aka Afrikaner). The vast majority of imported blacks worked on Afrikaner farms. The Dutchies were about as far-sighted as southern plantation owners who imported black slaves to the point that they once outnumbered whites in many southern states.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Not even close. Prior to black rule, every single South African prime minister was a Dutchman (aka Afrikaner). The vast majority of imported blacks worked on Afrikaner farms.
     
    http://www.queensu.ca/samp/transform/Crush.htm

    2.1 South Africa's economic development in the twentieth century has been based on the exploitation of its mineral wealth, particularly its vast reserves of gold bearing ore. Mining has consistently been one of South Africa's most important industries, one of its biggest employers and the driving force of its industrial economy. It is worth noting, however, that if a low-grade ore body like South Africa's had been discovered in countries like Canada, Australia or the United States it would have been left in the ground because of the inability to mobilize the right kind of labour force.(4) Without migrant workers from throughout the Southern African region, the world's largest supplier of gold would have been, at best, a minor producer. South Africa would thus be a very different place today (perhaps more like Argentina or Kenya).

    2.2 The large-scale employment of non-South African labour from the region by the South African mines goes back 150 years. Then migrants from Mozambique, Malawi and Lesotho came on foot to work on the Kimberly diamond mines. When the Witwatersrand gold mines opened in the 1890s, migrants from these areas were joined by migrants from many other parts of the region - Swaziland, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Zambia and Angola. Migration for work preceded the drawing of colonial boundaries and cross-border migration continued after those borders were established.
  232. @Big Bill
    Its tough for Jews in the West. Its like being a white Rhodesian. You know you are way smarter than the natives. You are too polite to say so. You know if Mugabe/Trump ever gets in office and you have to leave, everything will go to hell.

    You tell the natives (nicely) that the infrastructure is going to crumble, the power plants shut down, the hospitals go dark, the food go unplanted and natives go hungry. Yet they look you in the eye, smile, and say "we know, but we would still rather rule ourselves". How the hell do you deal with that?

    Its tough for Jews in the West. Its like being a white Rhodesian. You know you are way smarter than the natives. You are too polite to say so. You know if Mugabe/Trump ever gets in office and you have to leave, everything will go to hell.

    Bill could you talk to your people and see if they can hurry on up with it.
    I’m more than ready for this hell.

  233. @schmenz
    I don't suppose Mr Trump could take a step back and see that all the problems we are now having with radical Muslims has to do with our one-sided policies in the Holy Land.

    No, I didn't think so.

    I don’t suppose Mr Trump could take a step back and see that all the problems we are now having with radical Muslims has to do with our one-sided policies in the Holy Land.

    “All the problems?” Dude, put down the pipe.

    Sure our generous support of Israel riles up the natives a bit extra. But muslims are unhappy and behaving badly in the Philippines, Thailand, with non-muslims in Indonesia, Timor, India, Pakistan, Britain, France, Belgium, Germany … Sweden for God’s sake.

    The US is–or was–part of the West. It’s a different civilization. And Muslim civilization has practically grown up at war with, in opposition to, the West.

    If Israel, heck if every Jew, disappeared tomorrow–muslims would still be pissed and causing trouble with us. Heck if every white person disappeared tomorrow, muslims would still be causing trouble–probably more trouble!–everywhere they are in contact with non-muslims.

    It’s what they do. It is “who they are”.

  234. Bee says:
    @ben tillman

    If Jews were the beneficiaries of affirmative action or the like, you’d obviously have a point. But they’re not.
     
    That's not what the [Jewish] owner of this website says:

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

    Wouldn’t the 10 non-Jews who inherited enough money to rank among the 25 richest people in the U.S. be a better example of cronyism than the 10 Jews, none of whom inherited such massive amounts of money? Isn’t this stunningly obvious?
     
    Not to anyone who knows what "cronyism" means:

    the appointment of friends and associates to positions of authority, without proper regard to their qualifications

    Cronyism can also include relatives, so I was stretching the definition a bit.

    Anyway, if you choose to believe that Zuckerberg, Ellison (the son of an unwed teen mother), Adelson (the cab driver’s son), Dell, Brin, Soros, etc. made their money through “cronyism” (not that that’s even possible), while Gates, Buffet, etc. made their money through the goodness of their heart and the purity of their spirit, then believe it.

    In that case, you win the discussion (and probably all other discussions you participate in).

  235. Bee says:
    @PiltdownMan

    but then again they don’t create popular superheroes anymore, either (no one does).
     
    No, but T. Coates revived and repurposed one this year...

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/may/19/ta-nehisi-coatess-black-panther-is-superhero-success-story

    Yes, Black Panther, created by the same two Jews who created many of the other most famous Marvel characters.

    People on this thread and a few others keep talking about what the U.S. would be like without Jews.

    Well, let’s see – two of the ways the U.S. won the 20th century were through popular culture and the nuclear bomb. Jews pretty much created both (i.e. television channels, film studios, Superman, Batman, etc.).

    So that one’s out (you can speculate about what would have replaced it, of course, but for argument’s sake…). Birth of a Nation would still have gotten made, I assume (the 1915 version). Not sure how well that plays in China.

    I imagine the U.S. would be somewhat more “backward” now than it is – i.e. the first plausible female Presidential candidate didn’t run until 2008, which is already behind much of the rest of the civilized world. The Jewish feminist ’70s stuff Steve keeps expressing his admiration for didn’t get the U.S. all that far compared to some other countries.

    I’d say there’s a 30-70 chance the South would still be segregated. That may be a bit too high, but I’d give 20% as a minimum.

    Most Americans probably wouldn’t care, though, since most Americans or their grandparents would be dead from polio anyway.

    • Replies: @anon

    People on this thread and a few others keep talking about what the U.S. would be like without Jews.
     
    We wouldn't have the vastly over-represented Jewish presence in the media daily attacking white people over disparate impact.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    i.e. television channels

     

    The television was invented by a Scotsman, John Logie Baird.


    the South would still be segregated

     

    You obviously aren't familliar with this audience.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    Don't knock polio. It gave the world Joni Mitchell and Neil Young.
    , @Bill
    There were multiple research groups working on Polio using similar methods. Salk's won the race, that's all. Other than that, your list is of bad things.

    The atomic bomb had nothing to do with winning WWII. Truman did get to gratuitously kill a lot of women and children with it though. I can't remember, is that a good thing?

    Jews created the sewer that is American popular culture. Great.

    Jews ended segregation. Well, in the US anyway. Great.

    Jews wrote a bunch of "Christmas songs," none of which are actually about Christmas. Great.

    , @ben tillman

    Well, let’s see – two of the ways the U.S. won the 20th century were through popular culture and the nuclear bomb. Jews pretty much created both (i.e. television channels, film studios, Superman, Batman, etc.).
     
    Whether or not you're right about whom you blame -- sorry -- credit for the nuclear bomb, we'd be better off without it.

    As for your "superhero" thing, that's something no one but a tiny fraction of your people cares about.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Well, let’s see – two of the ways the U.S. won the 20th century were through popular culture and the nuclear bomb. Jews pretty much created both (i.e. television channels, film studios, Superman, Batman, etc.)."

    Jews did not create the nuclear bomb - this is a common trope pushed by ignorant jewish supremecists (for lack of a better term). It is not true.

    And - popular culture won WWII? Right. It was really all those actors and screen-writers, bravely making movies and having three martini lunches at the Brown Derby who really beat the axis.

    Do you even read the ridiculous crap you write?
    , @SPMoore8
    most Americans or their grandparents would be dead from polio anyway.

    Fatality rate from polio is actually pretty low, 5%-10% for the most severe type.

    One has to wonder about the self-awareness of any individual who insists that absent this or that ethnic group the world wouldn't be worth living in.
  236. Bee says:
    @ben tillman

    If Jews were the beneficiaries of affirmative action or the like, you’d obviously have a point. But they’re not.
     
    That's not what the [Jewish] owner of this website says:

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

    Wouldn’t the 10 non-Jews who inherited enough money to rank among the 25 richest people in the U.S. be a better example of cronyism than the 10 Jews, none of whom inherited such massive amounts of money? Isn’t this stunningly obvious?
     
    Not to anyone who knows what "cronyism" means:

    the appointment of friends and associates to positions of authority, without proper regard to their qualifications

    “Jewish organizations and their allies mobilized their political and media resources to pressure the universities into increasing their ethnic enrollment by modifying the weight assigned to various academic and non-academic factors, ”’raising the importance of the former over the latter”’”

    I don’t believe putting an emphasis on academic achievement qualifies as “affirmative action”. It’s probably more like “the opposite of affirmative action”.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    “Jewish organizations and their allies mobilized their political and media resources to pressure the universities into increasing their ethnic enrollment by modifying the weight assigned to various academic and non-academic factors, ”’raising the importance of the former over the latter”’”

    I don’t believe putting an emphasis on academic achievement qualifies as “affirmative action”. It’s probably more like “the opposite of affirmative action”.
     

    That's ancient history. More recently:

    Based on the overall distribution of America’s population, it appears that approximately 65–70 percent of America’s highest ability students are non-Jewish whites, well over ten times the Jewish total of under 6 percent.

    And:

    But the objective evidence indicates that in present day America, only about 6 percent of our top students are Jewish, which now renders such very high Jewish enrollments at elite universities totally absurd and ridiculous.

    And:

    We are therefore faced with the clear conundrum that Jewish students seem to constitute roughly 6 percent of America’s highest-ability high school graduates and non-Jewish whites around 65–70 percent, but these relative ratios differ by perhaps 1000 percent from the enrollments we actually find at Harvard and the other academic institutions which select America’s future elites.

  237. @PiltdownMan

    Anybody who thinks the average Jew has an IQ of 115 hasn’t met many.
     

    You think it's higher, or lower? Please clarify. Thanks.

    My personal unscientific estimate, based on finance industry types I've met over the years, is about 125.

    I wonder what proportion of Mensa USA is Ashkenazi?

    My personal unscientific estimate, based on finance industry types I’ve met over the years, is about 125.

    If they’re that smart then to cause so much destruction they must be spectacularly dishonest.

  238. @Bee
    Yes, Black Panther, created by the same two Jews who created many of the other most famous Marvel characters.

    People on this thread and a few others keep talking about what the U.S. would be like without Jews.

    Well, let's see - two of the ways the U.S. won the 20th century were through popular culture and the nuclear bomb. Jews pretty much created both (i.e. television channels, film studios, Superman, Batman, etc.).

    So that one's out (you can speculate about what would have replaced it, of course, but for argument's sake...). Birth of a Nation would still have gotten made, I assume (the 1915 version). Not sure how well that plays in China.

    I imagine the U.S. would be somewhat more "backward" now than it is - i.e. the first plausible female Presidential candidate didn't run until 2008, which is already behind much of the rest of the civilized world. The Jewish feminist '70s stuff Steve keeps expressing his admiration for didn't get the U.S. all that far compared to some other countries.

    I'd say there's a 30-70 chance the South would still be segregated. That may be a bit too high, but I'd give 20% as a minimum.

    Most Americans probably wouldn't care, though, since most Americans or their grandparents would be dead from polio anyway.

    People on this thread and a few others keep talking about what the U.S. would be like without Jews.

    We wouldn’t have the vastly over-represented Jewish presence in the media daily attacking white people over disparate impact.

    • Replies: @Bee
    "We wouldn’t have the vastly over-represented Jewish presence in the media daily attacking white people over disparate impact."

    Well, you for sure wouldn't have Fox News, since it was named after a Jew, William Fox of 20th Century Fox.

    I guess it would be Ailes News or the Ford Frivette, or something.
  239. “Most Americans probably wouldn’t care, though, since most Americans or their grandparents would be dead from polio anyway.”

    What utter madness. 95% of cases of polio don’t even show symptoms. Fewer than 1-2% of patients who contract polio suffer paralysis. Of that 1-2%, between 2%-5% of children affected with paralytic polio die. Hardly an extinction level plague.

    Howard Howe, a stupid White man, came up with first polio vaccine by the way.

    http://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.com/2014/12/jonas-salk-howard-howe-and-myth-of-how.html

    It’s inconceivable that Whites could have improved on his discovery and created a mass vaccine on their own– not.

  240. @Dr. X
    I used to admire Israel also. But this perfectly encapsulates why I have developed a dislike for, and suspicion of, Jews: rank, shameless hypocrisy.

    I do not hold it against Jews that many if not most are intelligent, well-off financially, or that they want to practice a religion different from mine. Good for them. Fine with me.

    The problem is that Jews seem to always have two sets of rules: one for them, another for everyone else. Racial profiling Muslims is bad, unless Jews want to do it. Jews mandate "diversity" for me, nepotism for themselves. Restricting Muslim immigration into the U.S. is bad, but fine for Israel. Building a border wall is Hitlerian if Trump does it, yet perfectly kosher for Israel. Intermarriage between races should be promoted in the U.S., but in Israel Jews cannot marry non-Jews. Bloomberg wants to take my guns away, yet he's surrounded by armed bodyguards 24-7-365. "Assault weapons" should be banned in the U.S., but it's perfectly fine for Jews in West Bank settlements to tote full-auto Uzis, Galils, and M-16s so they can shoot Arabs who throw rocks at them.

    We're about to have four Jews on the U.S. Supreme Court -- does Israel have four American Christians on it's highest court? Ten per cent of the Senate is Jewish -- is ten per cent of the Knesset American Christians? Has the Israeli central bank been controlled by Christians for the last 30 years?

    I guess if you're "the Chosen People of God" you don't need to play by the same rules that everyone else does.

    So basically, Steven Sailer repeatedly citing the Israeli version of the NYT as if it is representative of Israeli opinion, has caused you to dislike Jews. Somehow, I manage to read articles in The Guardian without hating white people.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "So basically, Steven Sailer repeatedly citing the Israeli version of the NYT as if it is representative of Israeli opinion,"

    Steve Sailer has a negative bias towards Jews, so of course he will never in a million years cite a Right Wing Israeli newspaper.

    , @anon
    No, it's the double standards of commentators that drives people nuts; they're like one man anti-semitism generators.
  241. @Dr. X
    I used to admire Israel also. But this perfectly encapsulates why I have developed a dislike for, and suspicion of, Jews: rank, shameless hypocrisy.

    I do not hold it against Jews that many if not most are intelligent, well-off financially, or that they want to practice a religion different from mine. Good for them. Fine with me.

    The problem is that Jews seem to always have two sets of rules: one for them, another for everyone else. Racial profiling Muslims is bad, unless Jews want to do it. Jews mandate "diversity" for me, nepotism for themselves. Restricting Muslim immigration into the U.S. is bad, but fine for Israel. Building a border wall is Hitlerian if Trump does it, yet perfectly kosher for Israel. Intermarriage between races should be promoted in the U.S., but in Israel Jews cannot marry non-Jews. Bloomberg wants to take my guns away, yet he's surrounded by armed bodyguards 24-7-365. "Assault weapons" should be banned in the U.S., but it's perfectly fine for Jews in West Bank settlements to tote full-auto Uzis, Galils, and M-16s so they can shoot Arabs who throw rocks at them.

    We're about to have four Jews on the U.S. Supreme Court -- does Israel have four American Christians on it's highest court? Ten per cent of the Senate is Jewish -- is ten per cent of the Knesset American Christians? Has the Israeli central bank been controlled by Christians for the last 30 years?

    I guess if you're "the Chosen People of God" you don't need to play by the same rules that everyone else does.

    P.S. Here are some of your “rock-throwing” Arabs.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_attack

  242. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    BTW, what’s wrong with Larry Ellison? Don’t like Oracle?
     
    No I don't like Oracle. But I dislike them less than Microsoft, and Google is the worst of the lot.

    Consolidation in service of efficiency is the antithesis of the interests of America. Other than that, I wish Ellison well and hope he focuses more on his yacht racing and less on shipping American opportunity offshore. Oh, I am happy to condemn Gates, Buffet and the rest of your recitation of the names of the gallery of Rouges. But proportionally, you must admit the difference is breathtaking.

    He even hosted a Rand Paul fundraiser, who I suspect you love.
     
    Not me. Rand exhibits the Asperger's Syndrome symptoms bequeathed to him by his father. Rand wants to loose the inmates incarcerated by common sense and experience. And his grab-your-ankles foreign policy is stupid.

    Of all the oligarchs, I find Ellison the least odious. He’s content to live like a Bond villain and buy up all the beachfront in Malibu.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I find Ellison the least odious. He’s content to live like a Bond villain and buy up all the beachfront in Malibu.
     
    Okay, good point.

    But given the fact that he took IBM's intellectual property, got funded by the CIA, and parleyed it into a multi-billion dollar windfall you'll have to forgive me if I am less than enthused by his big-money consolidation shopping spree.

    I am afraid he may be a Bond villain. Or worse, an ally of Brin, Page, Gates, Zuckerberg and Soros.
  243. @biz

    You can say that’s a result of them being smarter than the rest of us, but that explanation just doesn’t hold water when you take into account what a small percentage of the population Jewish people are.
     
    Actually, you can run the numbers and you'd be surprised. Take the average American IQ (100) and standard deviation (15), an estimate for the average Jewish American IQ (115) and standard deviation (15) and the percentage of Jews in the population (say 2%) and just by doing an itegral of a Gaussian function you can calculate the percentage of Jews among people above a certain IQ. The numbers are:

    IQ Percent of pop. above that IQ that is Jewish:
    120 8.1
    130 13.7
    140 25.2
    145 35.3

    Pick a profession in which you think Jews are overrepresented and think about what the minimum IQ to enter that profession is. With something like a leading scientist it is probably around 145, and so you would expect from IQ effects alone that Jews would be 35.3% of leading scientists. This sounds about right. Then there are all the effects of working hard, a culture where parents expect achievement, etc, and so high numbers of Jews in these various positions need not be attributed to nepotism.

    I’ve read that the 15 point, 1 SD average IQ gap is probably bogus. It’s big, but it’s not that big.

  244. @Corvinus
    "I don’t know, but it seems not to register with below average Americans like you."

    You can't even define "pro-white" or "anti-white", now you want to add to the mix "below average Americans"???

    Why do you continually insist on being vague?

    "We do. Don’t like it? Leave."

    Again, who is this "we"? And why on earth would millions of "below average Americans" even entertain your fantasy notions?

    "Perhaps those people can decide for themselves what value that information has."

    Not in your world. White people in particular have no liberty to decide how to look at race related matters, for example. They must look at it from only your perspective.

    “You can’t even define “pro-white” or “anti-white”.

    Sure I can. The definitions are quite obvious. If you are too stupid to understand them, or too disingenuous to pretend to, that is not my concern.

    “Why do you continually insist on being vague?”

    You can give up this socrcatic honest-seeker-of-truth bullshit. I am not being vauge. I know exactly what I mean, as do most other people. You are just being disingenuous.

    “We do. Don’t like it? Leave.”

    “Again, who is this “we”?”

    It doesn’t include you, nitwit.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Sure I can. The definitions are quite obvious. If you are too stupid to understand them, or too disingenuous to pretend to, that is not my concern."

    No, the definitions are NOT obvious, especially if millions of whites are unaware of this label. It is up to YOU to provide clarity.

    "You can give up this socrcatic honest-seeker-of-truth bullshit. I am not being vauge. I know exactly what I mean, as do most other people. You are just being disingenuous."

    When you give no clue, no specifics, you are the one being disingenuous.

    "It doesn’t include you, nitwit."

    Who does it EXACTLY include?
  245. @Bee
    There are many facts out there. So what?

    The ethnic origins of Mark Zuckerberg, Michael Dell, Larry Ellison, etc. have not been whitewashed out of existence. They are widely publicly available to those who care about their ethnicity.

    But it's pretty funny that "huge murder rate" and "making billions of dollars by creating a hugely successful company" are equals sins, or at least ones mentioned as would-be "dirty little secrets" in the same sentence. You would think you'd want more of the latter and less of the former, but again, apparently deviation from the white Christian standard rate on either murder or creating massively successful companies is a no-no around these parts.

    “There are many facts out there. So what?”

    They are facts. What do you have against facts. They are also relevant. Isn’t it possible that the over-representation of Jews in so many areas might lead to them being able to act in ethnicly self-interested ways. As a member of the (still, barely) majority population, I want my people to have influence at least proportional to their numbers. Right now, they don’t. It matters – obviously – who makes decisions, and for what purpose.

    Justices like Elena Kagan and Ruth Bader Ginsburg invoke the doctrine of disparate impact. So what about the disparate impact implied by the fact that their tribe makes up a third of the Supreme Court?

    “The ethnic origins of Mark Zuckerberg, Michael Dell, Larry Ellison, etc. have not been whitewashed out of existence. They are widely publicly available to those who care about their ethnicity.”

    This is simply a deceitful statement. Thier ethnicity is not publicly discussed. Any attempt to do so would get one barred from the mainstream means of communication that reach most people. Why is Jon Stewart called Jon Stewart? Is he scottish? Why do you wish information to be kept from people? What have you got to hide?

    • Replies: @Bee
    Why should Mark Zuckerberg's ethnicity be "discussed", beyond the many biographical notations that mention he's Jewish? The ethnicity of Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, and the Koch twins (just kidding) isn't discussed either, but is available in biographical profiles.

    By the way, why is founding a wildly popular and successful company being treated like a crime again? If you're criminalizing success, then you must celebrate the black murder rate. You can't decry both and demand everybody confirm to the European-American Christian rate of doing everything.

    Jon Stewart's ethnicity isn't a secret either, he's mentioned it many times and so has the media.
  246. @Mr. Anon
    "You’re being silly. Our current liberties are not “suspended”. You are still able to speak your mind in public, obtain a firearm, and contest matters in a court of law."

    Able to speak your mind in public? Not if you want to have a livelihood. Obtain a firearm? How about carry one? And - anyway - if Hillary has her way, she will try to get them completely banned. How about the right to have your vote count for something? Rather than have legislation you voted for, which passes, vacated by an activist court? How about having the government faithfully execute the laws they are obligated to enforce (like immigration laws) - how about not having your country inundated with illegal foreigners? How about the liberty to not engage in commerce - such as not buying health insurance if you don't want to?

    "Seriously, show me the EXACT blueprint as to how the freedoms of Americans who practice Islam AND who are citizens will be deported WITHOUT violating the Constitution."

    First, stop importing muslims. Second deport or induce those who aren't citizens to leave. The effect on those who remain might be beneficial - to the rest of us, that is.

    "If you are an American citizen, as I, you and I are “we”."

    Stuff your good government bulls**t. It belongs to a time and country that is dead. You support policies which disenfranchise me in my own country. I don't recognize you as anything other than my enemy. You and I are not we.

    “Able to speak your mind in public? Not if you want to have a livelihood.”

    All one has to do is go to a Trump rally and see people speaking freely while maintaining their “livelihood”.

    “Obtain a firearm? How about carry one?”

    All fifty states have passed laws allowing qualified individuals to carry certain concealed firearms in public, either without a permit or after obtaining a permit from a designated government authority at the state and/or local level.

    “And – anyway – if Hillary has her way, she will try to get them completely banned.”

    Try being the operative word. And it’s not “banned”, it’s “restricted”. You do realize there is no such thing as unfettered freedom, right?

    “How about the right to have your vote count for something?”

    Every vote in every election is counted.

    “Rather than have legislation you voted for, which passes, vacated by an activist court?”

    It’s called checks and balances. Here is a basic primer. There’s even lyrics you can find on the Internet.

    “How about having the government faithfully execute the laws they are obligated to enforce (like immigration laws) – how about not having your country inundated with illegal foreigners?”

    Now here you actually make sense for once.

    “How about the liberty to not engage in commerce – such as not buying health insurance if you don’t want to?”

    You already have that freedom!

    “First, stop importing muslims. Second deport or induce those who aren’t citizens to leave.”

    Again, there is no “importation” of Muslims. You haven’t offered the specific details, or a “blueprint”.

    “Stuff your good government bulls**t. It belongs to a time and country that is dead. You support policies which disenfranchise me in my own country. I don’t recognize you as anything other than my enemy. You and I are not we.”

    Our country has many ills, but it is not “dead”. Moreover, how is supporting the Constitution “disenfranchising” you? And, it’s not “your” country, it is also my country. Hence, it is “our” country, and “we”, as citizens of this country, are in the same boat. As far as being your “enemy”, you don’t even know me.

    Why do you apparently hate humanity so much?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "All one has to do is go to a Trump rally and see people speaking freely while maintaining their “livelihood”.

    Who says they are speaking freely. Perhaps there is a lot more they would like to say.

    "All fifty states have passed laws allowing qualified individuals to carry certain concealed firearms in public, either without a permit or after obtaining a permit from a designated government authority at the state and/or local level."

    Unsurprisingly, you don't know what you are talking about. This is not true. Try to get a concealed carry permit in New York City. Or in San Diego county, where the 9th court of appeals has effectively banned it (a ban that may be extended more broadly by judicial fiat). Who says free citizens should have to ask the leave of the government to carry a firearm. Who says it is any of thier business. The view you casually assume is the view of a statist lackey.

    “And – anyway – if Hillary has her way, she will try to get them completely banned.”

    "You do realize there is no such thing as unfettered freedom, right?"

    You seem to think that freedom is what is allowed to you. You have the mentality of a slave.

    "Every vote in every election is counted."

    You are either being disingenuous or stupid. You know what I meant. Your vote doesn't count, if the vote is summarily invalidated by judicial activism.

    “Rather than have legislation you voted for, which passes, vacated by an activist court?”

    "It’s called checks and balances. Here is a basic primer."

    You don't know what that means.

    “How about having the government faithfully execute the laws they are obligated to enforce (like immigration laws) – how about not having your country inundated with illegal foreigners?”

    Now here you actually make sense for once.

    “How about the liberty to not engage in commerce – such as not buying health insurance if you don’t want to?”

    "You already have that freedom!"

    Bullshit. You are a liar. What do you thinkg Obamacare means? Buy it or pay the tax! That isn't freedom. You don't seem to even understand what freedom is.

    "Again, there is no “importation” of Muslims. You haven’t offered the specific details, or a “blueprint”."

    Yes there is. Are you really this stupid? I suppose you are, nitwit.

    “Stuff your good government bulls**t. It belongs to a time and country that is dead. You support policies which disenfranchise me in my own country. I don’t recognize you as anything other than my enemy. You and I are not we.”

    "Our country has many ills, but it is not “dead”. "

    It is, and - again, idiot - it is not "our" country. I don't recognize you as a fellow citizen. You are an enemy of me and mine.

    "Why do you apparently hate humanity so much?"

    I don't hate humanity, you deceitful swine. I do however despise you.

  247. @Bee
    "Jewish organizations and their allies mobilized their political and media resources to pressure the universities into increasing their ethnic enrollment by modifying the weight assigned to various academic and non-academic factors, '''raising the importance of the former over the latter'''"

    I don't believe putting an emphasis on academic achievement qualifies as "affirmative action". It's probably more like "the opposite of affirmative action".

    “Jewish organizations and their allies mobilized their political and media resources to pressure the universities into increasing their ethnic enrollment by modifying the weight assigned to various academic and non-academic factors, ”’raising the importance of the former over the latter”’”

    I don’t believe putting an emphasis on academic achievement qualifies as “affirmative action”. It’s probably more like “the opposite of affirmative action”.

    That’s ancient history. More recently:

    Based on the overall distribution of America’s population, it appears that approximately 65–70 percent of America’s highest ability students are non-Jewish whites, well over ten times the Jewish total of under 6 percent.

    And:

    But the objective evidence indicates that in present day America, only about 6 percent of our top students are Jewish, which now renders such very high Jewish enrollments at elite universities totally absurd and ridiculous.

    And:

    We are therefore faced with the clear conundrum that Jewish students seem to constitute roughly 6 percent of America’s highest-ability high school graduates and non-Jewish whites around 65–70 percent, but these relative ratios differ by perhaps 1000 percent from the enrollments we actually find at Harvard and the other academic institutions which select America’s future elites.

    • Replies: @Bee
    I'm not sure what your or Ron Unz's points are.

    As we both know, there are not actual "affirmative action" policies that universities have to, say, get Jews up to their 2% national level, so that's that. In fact, the actual affirmative action policies lower Jewish admission, since they lower the overall white admission.

    Of course, some of the top Jewish billionaires, like Mark Zuckerberg, Sheldon Adelson, and Michael Dell, never even finished college. No amount of affirmative action will get you into the top 25 billionaires club, I don't think, unless you inherit your way in.
  248. @Johann Ricke

    The “South African whites” who imported large numbers of blacks into the country for stoop labor were largely Jewish, and this sort of policy is much more typical of Jews than of Whites.
     
    Not even close. Prior to black rule, every single South African prime minister was a Dutchman (aka Afrikaner). The vast majority of imported blacks worked on Afrikaner farms. The Dutchies were about as far-sighted as southern plantation owners who imported black slaves to the point that they once outnumbered whites in many southern states.

    Not even close. Prior to black rule, every single South African prime minister was a Dutchman (aka Afrikaner). The vast majority of imported blacks worked on Afrikaner farms.

    http://www.queensu.ca/samp/transform/Crush.htm

    2.1 South Africa’s economic development in the twentieth century has been based on the exploitation of its mineral wealth, particularly its vast reserves of gold bearing ore. Mining has consistently been one of South Africa’s most important industries, one of its biggest employers and the driving force of its industrial economy. It is worth noting, however, that if a low-grade ore body like South Africa’s had been discovered in countries like Canada, Australia or the United States it would have been left in the ground because of the inability to mobilize the right kind of labour force.(4) Without migrant workers from throughout the Southern African region, the world’s largest supplier of gold would have been, at best, a minor producer. South Africa would thus be a very different place today (perhaps more like Argentina or Kenya).

    2.2 The large-scale employment of non-South African labour from the region by the South African mines goes back 150 years. Then migrants from Mozambique, Malawi and Lesotho came on foot to work on the Kimberly diamond mines. When the Witwatersrand gold mines opened in the 1890s, migrants from these areas were joined by migrants from many other parts of the region – Swaziland, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Zambia and Angola. Migration for work preceded the drawing of colonial boundaries and cross-border migration continued after those borders were established.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    2.1 South Africa’s economic development in the twentieth century has been based on the exploitation of its mineral wealth, particularly its vast reserves of gold bearing ore. Mining has consistently been one of South Africa’s most important industries, one of its biggest employers and the driving force of its industrial economy. It is worth noting, however, that if a low-grade ore body like South Africa’s had been discovered in countries like Canada, Australia or the United States it would have been left in the ground because of the inability to mobilize the right kind of labour force.(4) Without migrant workers from throughout the Southern African region, the world’s largest supplier of gold would have been, at best, a minor producer. South Africa would thus be a very different place today (perhaps more like Argentina or Kenya).

    2.2 The large-scale employment of non-South African labour from the region by the South African mines goes back 150 years. Then migrants from Mozambique, Malawi and Lesotho came on foot to work on the Kimberly diamond mines. When the Witwatersrand gold mines opened in the 1890s, migrants from these areas were joined by migrants from many other parts of the region – Swaziland, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Zambia and Angola. Migration for work preceded the drawing of colonial boundaries and cross-border migration continued after those borders were established.
     

    By value, mining output is high. But by labor force employment, mining is consistently ranked very low. Stateside, there's been at least a 10 to 1 relationship between agricultural and total mining employment. That's because mines are more or less found treasure and are very limited in size and scope, whereas agriculture has tended to cover huge tracts of land. South Africa employed black miners because they were available from the agricultural migrants who were imported to work on mostly Afrikaner farms. If California had been accepted into the Union as a slave state, slaves would undoubtedly have been used during the Gold Rush.
  249. @Bee
    OK. So the lesson is what I had already understood it to be: if you're not of Christian European descent, on the one hand you can't kill too many people and on the other hand you also can't make too much money. So many rules.

    especially if you use that money to be explicitly hostile to the native culture, through such absurdities as nero marriage or transsexual normalcy.

  250. @Bee
    Yes, Black Panther, created by the same two Jews who created many of the other most famous Marvel characters.

    People on this thread and a few others keep talking about what the U.S. would be like without Jews.

    Well, let's see - two of the ways the U.S. won the 20th century were through popular culture and the nuclear bomb. Jews pretty much created both (i.e. television channels, film studios, Superman, Batman, etc.).

    So that one's out (you can speculate about what would have replaced it, of course, but for argument's sake...). Birth of a Nation would still have gotten made, I assume (the 1915 version). Not sure how well that plays in China.

    I imagine the U.S. would be somewhat more "backward" now than it is - i.e. the first plausible female Presidential candidate didn't run until 2008, which is already behind much of the rest of the civilized world. The Jewish feminist '70s stuff Steve keeps expressing his admiration for didn't get the U.S. all that far compared to some other countries.

    I'd say there's a 30-70 chance the South would still be segregated. That may be a bit too high, but I'd give 20% as a minimum.

    Most Americans probably wouldn't care, though, since most Americans or their grandparents would be dead from polio anyway.

    i.e. television channels

    The television was invented by a Scotsman, John Logie Baird.

    the South would still be segregated

    You obviously aren’t familliar with this audience.

    • Replies: @Bee
    The television itself wasn't invented by Jews, and neither was filmmaking, nor comic books, and so on. But it seems Jews have a knack for getting into these burgeoning industries and turning them into massive pop culture successes with the kind of commercial appeal they didn't initially have.
  251. @Johann Ricke

    If South African whites were more like Jews, right now we’d be talking about how the Soweto uprising made peace and the end of Apartheid impossible.
     
    If South African whites were more like Jews, they wouldn't have imported large numbers of blacks into the country for stoop labor, thereby making apartheid necessary. And the one drop rule was stupid. Full-blooded blacks were already 80% of the population. To make mixed-blood South Africans second class citizens simply compounded white numerical inferiority.

    If they had any sense, they would have created and retreated to a white rump state, and built fences to avoid being demographically overwhelmed, much as the Israelis did with respect to the Palestinians. The Israelis overran the West Bank and Gaza in 67, but mainly to achieve strategic depth. Over 90% of those areas are still populated by Palestinians. (The principal difference is Israel mans the West Bank's external borders to prevent terrorist infiltration and conventional invasion). At 6x Israel's territory, a 47,000 sq mile white South Africa (10% of RSA's land area) would have plenty of strategic depth. It's not as if ramshackle African armies could roll over a well-organized white-run military based on a population of 4.5m.

    If South African whites were more like Jews, they wouldn’t have imported large numbers of blacks into the country for stoop labor, thereby making apartheid necessary.

    I think you mean Israelis circa 1948. They were “build your own society” types.

    Jews, generically, are fully on board the cheap labor train–ex. Postville. In a gentile societies, they expect to be in positions on top, which means having coolies sweating underneath.

    Unfortunately for Israel, i think the republican spirit of early Israel is badly eroded. My impression–low data–is there is plenty of cheap labor hustling going on in Israel too. They are just much better\saner about trying to avoid it becoming settlement.

    ~~~

    If they had any sense, they would have created and retreated to a white rump state, and built fences to avoid being demographically overwhelmed, much as the Israelis did with respect to the Palestinians.

    Fully on board with this.

    South Africa is a tragedy. It’s the full on “should have picked our own damn cotton” debacle. They could have had a marvelous beautiful white nation there if they’d adopted a very hard “this is or land” policy and chased off the blacks from the get go. Since scattering of blacks who were there decreased substantially with the mfecane, the Boers might have been able to just push ‘em out. But you can’t really do any sort of slavery and still end up your own nation.

    When apartheid became unsustainable was the time to be bold and realistic. Falling back to a white state in the Western\Northern Cape would have been the sustainable option. I suppose it was too hard for whites–living well–to give up their homes and businesses and for their community to reverse the Great Trek and all that. But taking the PC, kumbaya singing option means that in the long run they will all have to leave and have no nation at all. Whites can live around blacks when whites are in charge. But anything black run will decay to a level of disorder and dysfunction well below the norms most white people will want to tolerate.

  252. @ben tillman

    Not even close. Prior to black rule, every single South African prime minister was a Dutchman (aka Afrikaner). The vast majority of imported blacks worked on Afrikaner farms.
     
    http://www.queensu.ca/samp/transform/Crush.htm

    2.1 South Africa's economic development in the twentieth century has been based on the exploitation of its mineral wealth, particularly its vast reserves of gold bearing ore. Mining has consistently been one of South Africa's most important industries, one of its biggest employers and the driving force of its industrial economy. It is worth noting, however, that if a low-grade ore body like South Africa's had been discovered in countries like Canada, Australia or the United States it would have been left in the ground because of the inability to mobilize the right kind of labour force.(4) Without migrant workers from throughout the Southern African region, the world's largest supplier of gold would have been, at best, a minor producer. South Africa would thus be a very different place today (perhaps more like Argentina or Kenya).

    2.2 The large-scale employment of non-South African labour from the region by the South African mines goes back 150 years. Then migrants from Mozambique, Malawi and Lesotho came on foot to work on the Kimberly diamond mines. When the Witwatersrand gold mines opened in the 1890s, migrants from these areas were joined by migrants from many other parts of the region - Swaziland, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Zambia and Angola. Migration for work preceded the drawing of colonial boundaries and cross-border migration continued after those borders were established.

    2.1 South Africa’s economic development in the twentieth century has been based on the exploitation of its mineral wealth, particularly its vast reserves of gold bearing ore. Mining has consistently been one of South Africa’s most important industries, one of its biggest employers and the driving force of its industrial economy. It is worth noting, however, that if a low-grade ore body like South Africa’s had been discovered in countries like Canada, Australia or the United States it would have been left in the ground because of the inability to mobilize the right kind of labour force.(4) Without migrant workers from throughout the Southern African region, the world’s largest supplier of gold would have been, at best, a minor producer. South Africa would thus be a very different place today (perhaps more like Argentina or Kenya).

    2.2 The large-scale employment of non-South African labour from the region by the South African mines goes back 150 years. Then migrants from Mozambique, Malawi and Lesotho came on foot to work on the Kimberly diamond mines. When the Witwatersrand gold mines opened in the 1890s, migrants from these areas were joined by migrants from many other parts of the region – Swaziland, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Zambia and Angola. Migration for work preceded the drawing of colonial boundaries and cross-border migration continued after those borders were established.

    By value, mining output is high. But by labor force employment, mining is consistently ranked very low. Stateside, there’s been at least a 10 to 1 relationship between agricultural and total mining employment. That’s because mines are more or less found treasure and are very limited in size and scope, whereas agriculture has tended to cover huge tracts of land. South Africa employed black miners because they were available from the agricultural migrants who were imported to work on mostly Afrikaner farms. If California had been accepted into the Union as a slave state, slaves would undoubtedly have been used during the Gold Rush.

  253. @Johann Ricke

    And Mohammed Atta’s behaviour pre-9/11 makes the ‘bacon sandwich and glass of beer’ test look fallible.
     
    The revulsion to pork is a dead giveaway. Some Muslims will not only drink, but seek out, alcohol when away from their home countries. With very few exceptions, they never eat pork products. I know a number of non-practicing Muslims who drink alcohol. None of them knowingly eats pork. The attitude seems to be that alcohol is forbidden fruit, whereas pork is merely revolting.

    pork is merely revolting

    Sling them in the pen with this lot. Covers most of the “triggers” for Islamic fanatics.

  254. @Bee
    Yes, Black Panther, created by the same two Jews who created many of the other most famous Marvel characters.

    People on this thread and a few others keep talking about what the U.S. would be like without Jews.

    Well, let's see - two of the ways the U.S. won the 20th century were through popular culture and the nuclear bomb. Jews pretty much created both (i.e. television channels, film studios, Superman, Batman, etc.).

    So that one's out (you can speculate about what would have replaced it, of course, but for argument's sake...). Birth of a Nation would still have gotten made, I assume (the 1915 version). Not sure how well that plays in China.

    I imagine the U.S. would be somewhat more "backward" now than it is - i.e. the first plausible female Presidential candidate didn't run until 2008, which is already behind much of the rest of the civilized world. The Jewish feminist '70s stuff Steve keeps expressing his admiration for didn't get the U.S. all that far compared to some other countries.

    I'd say there's a 30-70 chance the South would still be segregated. That may be a bit too high, but I'd give 20% as a minimum.

    Most Americans probably wouldn't care, though, since most Americans or their grandparents would be dead from polio anyway.

    Don’t knock polio. It gave the world Joni Mitchell and Neil Young.

  255. @Gabriel M
    So basically, Steven Sailer repeatedly citing the Israeli version of the NYT as if it is representative of Israeli opinion, has caused you to dislike Jews. Somehow, I manage to read articles in The Guardian without hating white people.

    “So basically, Steven Sailer repeatedly citing the Israeli version of the NYT as if it is representative of Israeli opinion,”

    Steve Sailer has a negative bias towards Jews, so of course he will never in a million years cite a Right Wing Israeli newspaper.

  256. “I’ve always admired Israel”

    Sarcasm from Steve Sailer. I am sure Steve Sailer admires Israel about as much as The Unz’s Philip Giraldi does.

  257. @Jimi Shmendrix
    Even older Israelis from Arab countries (like my mother and in-laws for example) still sound different than local Arabs when speaking Hebrew. Something in the intonation...There are exceptions though; one of my cousins who attended University of Haifa used to tell me about Arab students who were virtually indistinguishable from mizrahi Jews, until they switch to Arabic.

    Arab students who were virtually indistinguishable from mizrahi Jews, until they switch to Arabic.

    I’ve never seen that, and most of my contact with Israeli Arabs has in fact been in university settings!

    And why would that be surprising? Hebrew is a second language for them.

    If you can find me a youtube video of an Arab speaking unaccented Israeli Hebrew (of whatever social class, including mizrahi), I’ll be very interested to watch it.

  258. @PiltdownMan

    If they say they’re Christian, ask them to recite The Lord’s Prayer in Arabic.
     

    This may be an acid test for Christian faith, but I can't see most Muslims, radical or otherwise, having any problem reciting it, since the words are pretty generically monotheistic in nature. The specific problem Muslims have is in affirming the divinity of Jesus Christ and the idea of the Holy Trinity, i.e. Nicene creed issues.

    Another good test would be to have them recite some Hindu mantra about the incarnations of Vishnu or some such or perhaps have them bow to a small Hindu idol. Or course, that would screen out many Christians and Jews, too...

    I'm no expert on this Muslim theological stuff, but another practical problem is that the doctrine of Taqqiyah, I think, lets a true blue jihadi dress up as a Catholic bishop and administer Mass, if the jihadist mission so requires it.

    the words are pretty generically monotheistic

    I think you’ve misunderstood me. I didn’t propose that Arabs be handed a printed text of The Lord’s Prayer and asked to read it. No, I’m saying, see if they know it by heart: pop quiz! (And mix it up by asking for different prayers. The Arab Christian clergyman could be relied on to come up with good questions.)

  259. @AnotherDad

    ... Paul Ryan pulled his mincing little smart-alek routine.
     
    Indeed the most odious person in public life.

    Scum like Soros and Zuck are acting on deeply ingrained impulses against white people having coherent nations and pushing policies hugely beneficial to keeping the world ever more prostrate for their looting. They are just straight up enemies of republican virtue, nations, the West and whites--my enemy.

    But Ryan is just a vile little rodent. Squealing pompously, while selling out his own people and bending over for his masters. I'd say Ryan is the simian very of a sewer rat--but that would be maligning the superior character of rats.

    Back when I was young, I thought it was odd that guerrilla/terrorist/whatever groups spent more time and effort killing collaborators and moderates on their own side than killing the ostensible enemy. Each year, I find that less and less odd. So, yeah, agree with you 100%.

  260. @Jack D
    While these things may have existed on a shelf in a Greek monastery somewhere, the way they entered the modern West was often via translations of Arabic works. A lot of mathematical/scientific words in English are Arabic as a result - algorithm, algebra, alcohol, alchemy, alembic, alkali, etc. (al is a prefix meaning "the" in Arabic).

    A lot of the scientific work that was done in the Middle Ages in Arab lands was done by non-Arabs but at least they were still doing scientific work at a time when Western Christians were more interested in how many angels could dance on the head of a pin and other pressing theological questions. But the torch got passed back to the West a good 500 years ago while the Arab world seems to have deteriorated. Missing out on the wealth explosion from the discovery of the Americas and then the Industrial Revolution was a double whammy from which they never recovered.

    My understanding is that early Islamic expansion (Umayyad caliphate) ‘preserved’ Greek works by plundering the libraries and monasteries of Antioch, Damascus, and Alexandria, among others. These writings were then lost to the west for a millenia. In fact Enlightenment era ferment was made possible largely by Rome and the Vatican, which maintained classical Roman (and to a lesser extent Greek) literature. I suspect this is why mathematicians and philosophers wrote formally in Latin until the mid-1800′s, rather than Greek, because much of Greek learning was sequestered in hostile Ottoman-controlled lands.

    Early Arab scholars, such as they were, appear to have been good at copying original works from lands they occupied. And if I may sardonically state, then taking credit via the “al-” naming conventions. Greek learning is but one example. Persian and Uzbeki intellectual centers, thinking specifically of Samarkand, were pulled into the orbit of the Arab conquerers, as were northwestern Indians (“arabic” numerals). Arabs, and especially Islamic rote learning, should not be confused with the progenitors of ancient mathematics and philosophy.

    • Replies: @Bill
    That's basically right, but you've got the timing wrong. The Muslims conquered from the Levant around the south of the Med to Spain in the 8th C, wrecking pretty much everything. Some of the Greek learning survived this disaster. Arabic-speakers then translated it from Greek to Arabic, and the caliphs patronized this scholarship for a while. In the 12th C, works of Greek philosophy in Arabic translation made their way to Western Europe via Spain and Sicily. They were translated into Latin. In the 13th C, Greek texts were got from Constantinople. This set off the High Middle Ages, intellectually.

    Then, in the 14th C, Western scholars set out to see what else they could get from Constantinople. They got Greek history and literature and also some Latin stuff which the Byzantines had saved. That set off the Renaissance.

    Latin was the lingua franca of science because of the Church. The Church's language is Latin. Theology was at the top of the hierarchy of knowledge. Then philosophy. Then everything else. Scholars talked in Latin because it was a language they all knew and because it was high status.
  261. @AnotherDad

    Oh, regarding what I was saying about swing states in the “microphone” thread:

    Swing State Polls Show Close Race Between Clinton, Trump
     
    Wishful thinking. I think this is the most important election of my lifetime--by far--and i'm pulling hugely for the guy who is actually on the side of Americans.

    Trump has a very solid opportunity to win this thing. But Trump has to get a lot better--fast.

    Basically, to get the numbers of college educated suburbanites he needs--particularly white moms--he is going to have to make precisely the case that Enoch Powell lays out in his brilliant speech:

    The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils. In seeking to do so, it encounters obstacles which are deeply rooted in human nature.

    One is that by the very order of things such evils are not demonstrable until they have occurred: at each stage in their onset there is room for doubt and for dispute whether they be real or imaginary. By the same token, they attract little attention in comparison with current troubles, which are both indisputable and pressing: whence the besetting temptation of all politics to concern itself with the immediate present at the expense of the future.

    Above all, people are disposed to mistake predicting troubles for causing troubles and even for desiring troubles: "If only," they love to think, "if only people wouldn't talk about it, it probably wouldn't happen."
     
    Essentially Trump needs to make the case that *his* policies and path will provide a much better *future* for Americans, for our children--the mom appeal--while Hillary is cheerleading us down into the cesspit. And speaking frankly to secure that future "trumps" being "nice".

    If Trump can't get most white moms to understand that their "posterity" is much better off if they vote for him ... he's screwed.

    “If Trump can’t get most white moms to understand that their “posterity” is much better off if they vote him … he’s screwed.”

    I agree. It’s the worried moms w/o much time to read that I interact with — “he’ll start WW3″ is a common concern. Likewise, concerns that he’s a cruel tyrant with baseless “xenophobia”. It’s long slog in mom-world having these views, politely canvassing opinion, and still maintaining friendships for my kids.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Given the current state of our relations with Russia and China, WW III may not wait for the next election.
  262. @Gabriel M
    So basically, Steven Sailer repeatedly citing the Israeli version of the NYT as if it is representative of Israeli opinion, has caused you to dislike Jews. Somehow, I manage to read articles in The Guardian without hating white people.

    No, it’s the double standards of commentators that drives people nuts; they’re like one man anti-semitism generators.

    • Replies: @Gabriel M
    There are no double standards in this article. An Israeli leftist is arguing that Israelis should not associate themselves with Trump in advocating policies that the writers supports neither in Israel or America. It's the #1,000,001 in retarded reasons Israeli leftists come up with for letting them run things again. But there's no double standard.
  263. @Mr. Anon
    "You can’t even define “pro-white” or “anti-white".

    Sure I can. The definitions are quite obvious. If you are too stupid to understand them, or too disingenuous to pretend to, that is not my concern.

    "Why do you continually insist on being vague?"

    You can give up this socrcatic honest-seeker-of-truth bullshit. I am not being vauge. I know exactly what I mean, as do most other people. You are just being disingenuous.

    “We do. Don’t like it? Leave.”

    "Again, who is this “we”?"

    It doesn't include you, nitwit.

    “Sure I can. The definitions are quite obvious. If you are too stupid to understand them, or too disingenuous to pretend to, that is not my concern.”

    No, the definitions are NOT obvious, especially if millions of whites are unaware of this label. It is up to YOU to provide clarity.

    “You can give up this socrcatic honest-seeker-of-truth bullshit. I am not being vauge. I know exactly what I mean, as do most other people. You are just being disingenuous.”

    When you give no clue, no specifics, you are the one being disingenuous.

    “It doesn’t include you, nitwit.”

    Who does it EXACTLY include?

  264. @Jack D
    While these things may have existed on a shelf in a Greek monastery somewhere, the way they entered the modern West was often via translations of Arabic works. A lot of mathematical/scientific words in English are Arabic as a result - algorithm, algebra, alcohol, alchemy, alembic, alkali, etc. (al is a prefix meaning "the" in Arabic).

    A lot of the scientific work that was done in the Middle Ages in Arab lands was done by non-Arabs but at least they were still doing scientific work at a time when Western Christians were more interested in how many angels could dance on the head of a pin and other pressing theological questions. But the torch got passed back to the West a good 500 years ago while the Arab world seems to have deteriorated. Missing out on the wealth explosion from the discovery of the Americas and then the Industrial Revolution was a double whammy from which they never recovered.

    That’s a mixture of falsity and half-truth. Classical Greek works were not gathering dust in Byzantine monasteries. Byzantine culture was civilized and Greek, so obviously Classical Greek works were known to educated people. Furthermore, the Muslims got the Classical Greek works from the Byzantines, they didn’t preserve anything. Basically, you want to give the Muslims credit for preserving Classical Greek works because they didn’t burn all the copies they got hold of via conquest.

    The translations of the Classical Greek works of philosophy acquired from the Arabs sucked, having been translated multiple times through several languages including (the non-Indo-European language) Arabic. They were also a small subset of the works which eventually flowed from Constantinople to the West. The Arab translations sped up the re-acquisition of this knowledge by a century or so. Of course, if the Muslims hadn’t invaded half the Mediterranean world, sending it spiralling into chaos in the first place, the works would likely have been recovered earlier, not later.

    There was little important scientific work done in the Middle Ages (or any other time) by Muslims. Your slippery “in Arab lands” allows you to give Muslims credit for work done by non-Muslims from recently conquered lands. Even this work wasn’t all that impressive.

    The claim that the philosophical and mathematical advances being made in the Middle Ages in Western Europe were arguments about how many angels could dance on the head of a pin is pure delusion (also, it’s quite bizarre, given the importance you seem to place on the Greek works of philosophy which the Arabs transmitted). What was happening was the development and spread of the formal logical structure and methods upon which all the advances of western science depend.

    There was no golden age of Islamic science.

  265. @Antonymous
    My understanding is that early Islamic expansion (Umayyad caliphate) 'preserved' Greek works by plundering the libraries and monasteries of Antioch, Damascus, and Alexandria, among others. These writings were then lost to the west for a millenia. In fact Enlightenment era ferment was made possible largely by Rome and the Vatican, which maintained classical Roman (and to a lesser extent Greek) literature. I suspect this is why mathematicians and philosophers wrote formally in Latin until the mid-1800's, rather than Greek, because much of Greek learning was sequestered in hostile Ottoman-controlled lands.

    Early Arab scholars, such as they were, appear to have been good at copying original works from lands they occupied. And if I may sardonically state, then taking credit via the "al-" naming conventions. Greek learning is but one example. Persian and Uzbeki intellectual centers, thinking specifically of Samarkand, were pulled into the orbit of the Arab conquerers, as were northwestern Indians ("arabic" numerals). Arabs, and especially Islamic rote learning, should not be confused with the progenitors of ancient mathematics and philosophy.

    That’s basically right, but you’ve got the timing wrong. The Muslims conquered from the Levant around the south of the Med to Spain in the 8th C, wrecking pretty much everything. Some of the Greek learning survived this disaster. Arabic-speakers then translated it from Greek to Arabic, and the caliphs patronized this scholarship for a while. In the 12th C, works of Greek philosophy in Arabic translation made their way to Western Europe via Spain and Sicily. They were translated into Latin. In the 13th C, Greek texts were got from Constantinople. This set off the High Middle Ages, intellectually.

    Then, in the 14th C, Western scholars set out to see what else they could get from Constantinople. They got Greek history and literature and also some Latin stuff which the Byzantines had saved. That set off the Renaissance.

    Latin was the lingua franca of science because of the Church. The Church’s language is Latin. Theology was at the top of the hierarchy of knowledge. Then philosophy. Then everything else. Scholars talked in Latin because it was a language they all knew and because it was high status.

    • Replies: @Antonymous
    I appreciate your comment, thanks. Any books or papers you'd suggest? A relative of mine was fascinated by the Archimedes palimpsest rediscovered and auctioned in the late 90's. He said that it, like many other works had been housed in Constantinople in a Greek Orthodox library, then lost in the post WWI era. The mathematics Archimedes performed ca. 300 B.C. were early pre-calculus, limits, Riemann sums (equivalent) and so on. Just extraordinary work, especially for the time, that I think goes some way toward explaining Roman engineering feats like the Pantheon a few centuries later. Anyway, very interested in early knowledge and its transfer or loss over time.
  266. @SFG
    I'm a little slow when it comes to sarcasm.

    I realize IQ 115 (Jews) - IQ 100 (generic whites) = IQ 100 (generic whites) - IQ 85 (blacks), but generic whites seem quite capable of running a civilization. They did for 3000 years or so...a little less than the Chinese, but still a long time.

    I also don't think Trump's actually going to get rid of the Jews. A couple of Jon Stewart types might have a fit and leave for Israel, but he's likely to have his hands full dealing with resistance to his attempts to crack down on Muslims. You might see an uptick in synagogue vandalism but that's about it. The guy isn't that interested in going after Jews...outside of the alt-right antisemitism levels just aren't that high.

    I think it’s wise not to take the 115 average at face value, rather recognizing it as a small subset of Ashkenazis (from German and former Polish commonwealth lands, IIRC). Sephardis score a little below the european average. I’ve also read speculation that the Victorian upper stratum had strikingly high intelligence – the 115 number was also bandied about – and similarly insular social and marital possibilities. Does consistently high intelligence in a population require a close(d) population group that does not intermarry cousins? (and an academic tradition, accomplishments for women, etc.) So much for “hybrid vigor”?

  267. @Bee
    Yes, Black Panther, created by the same two Jews who created many of the other most famous Marvel characters.

    People on this thread and a few others keep talking about what the U.S. would be like without Jews.

    Well, let's see - two of the ways the U.S. won the 20th century were through popular culture and the nuclear bomb. Jews pretty much created both (i.e. television channels, film studios, Superman, Batman, etc.).

    So that one's out (you can speculate about what would have replaced it, of course, but for argument's sake...). Birth of a Nation would still have gotten made, I assume (the 1915 version). Not sure how well that plays in China.

    I imagine the U.S. would be somewhat more "backward" now than it is - i.e. the first plausible female Presidential candidate didn't run until 2008, which is already behind much of the rest of the civilized world. The Jewish feminist '70s stuff Steve keeps expressing his admiration for didn't get the U.S. all that far compared to some other countries.

    I'd say there's a 30-70 chance the South would still be segregated. That may be a bit too high, but I'd give 20% as a minimum.

    Most Americans probably wouldn't care, though, since most Americans or their grandparents would be dead from polio anyway.

    There were multiple research groups working on Polio using similar methods. Salk’s won the race, that’s all. Other than that, your list is of bad things.

    The atomic bomb had nothing to do with winning WWII. Truman did get to gratuitously kill a lot of women and children with it though. I can’t remember, is that a good thing?

    Jews created the sewer that is American popular culture. Great.

    Jews ended segregation. Well, in the US anyway. Great.

    Jews wrote a bunch of “Christmas songs,” none of which are actually about Christmas. Great.

    • Replies: @Bee
    The two big polio cures were by Jonas Salk, and, a few years later, by Albert Sabin (who was also Jewish).

    I think it's likely that if there were no Jews in the U.S. someone would have developed a polio cure eventually, too, but who knows how many years, and how many people, would have been lost?

    I didn't say the atomic bomb won World War II. I said the U.S. creation and ownership of the atomic bomb is why the U.S. was so powerful.

    Let's say the Soviets had 4 times as many Jewish scientists at their deploy as they did, and created the bomb long before the U.S., etc.

    My list may be "bad things" to you, but U.S. pop culture is one reason that the U.S. has dominated the world for almost the last century. And it wasn't always a "sewer". Pop culture may have degraded with the times, but Jews created the initially much more elegant pop culture of "wholesome, All-American" films, TV, etc.

    "Jews ended segregation. Well, in the US anyway. Great."

    -I'm not going to discuss the moral issue of segregation (what's the point?). But don't you think it would have been a national embarrassment for a country like the U.S. to be segregated in 2016? Or 1996?
  268. @PiltdownMan

    Anybody who thinks the average Jew has an IQ of 115 hasn’t met many.
     

    You think it's higher, or lower? Please clarify. Thanks.

    My personal unscientific estimate, based on finance industry types I've met over the years, is about 125.

    I wonder what proportion of Mensa USA is Ashkenazi?

    107 is about right. Finance attracts very smart Jews, though, no doubt.

  269. Haaretz doesn’t want profiling of Muslims either.

    And on the topic of Jewish billionaires, this is a nice example of why antisemites have rightly been driven from the societal debate because you have a tendancy to lie.

    What commenters about Jewish billionaires don’t mention is that a third of the 20 wealthiest Jews like Paulson, Paige, Ballmer, and Ellison are half-gentile.

    Did Sailer

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "What commenters about Jewish billionaires don’t mention is that a third of the 20 wealthiest Jews like Paulson, Paige, Ballmer, and Ellison are half-gentile."

    And? Barack Obama is half white, and yet he doesn't seem to identify as white at all. I can't think of too many mulattos who do identify as white.
  270. Did Sailer forget to mention Ellison, Ballmer and many other Jewish billionaires are half-Jewish because Sailer is a liar or just stupid?

  271. And on the topic of half-Jews, doesn’t the high intermarriage rate mean any politically viable antisemitic movement is hopeless?

    Even Nazi Germany had difficulty discriminating against Mischlings and their Jewish parents, and that was in a society where .5% of the population was Jewish and only 30% of Jews had intermarried with gentile Germans.

    The task for you folks is even harder: The New York Times estimated that 5% of all white Americans are at least a quarter Jewish. That means at least 20% of white Americans who are not Jewish have someone with significant Jewish ancestry with whom they are married, have grandchildren through, or otherwise closely related to.

    And Jews are intermarried with the gentile smart fraction. Given these obstacles, and the fact that, as is amply demonstrated by the pitiful )))Jew fighters((( on this and other related blogs, pathetic ‘leadership’, I don’t see why you’re attempting to get into a fight that you’ve already lost.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "The task for you folks is even harder: The New York Times estimated that 5% of all white Americans are at least a quarter Jewish. That means at least 20% of white Americans who are not Jewish have someone with significant Jewish ancestry with whom they are married, have grandchildren through, or otherwise closely related to."

    In another post, you mention that billionaires like Ellison are half gentile, and that the fact that they are only half jewish means that their ethnicity should not be an issue. Here you say that it should be deemed relevant for those who are 25% or even less. So, which is it? It must be nice to be able to argue two sides of the same point, all within one thread.

    By the way, you might as well give up that "anti-semite" bullshit. People here notice things. There are things to notice about your ethnic group, just as there are things to notice about ours. People are getting wise to that ADL-like line, and it becomes less-and-less convincing to more-and-more people every year.

    I have often agreed with your posts in the past, and thought you were a reasonable guy. What happened? Did Trump's nomination set you off somehow? We goys could be humored as long as we had no prospect of any actual representation of our interests, but now that someone might actually do so, we aren't so amusing? Is that it?

  272. @ Deleted Expletive,

    The proportion of Jews (or half, quarter, eighth Jews) in any position is an irrelevant topic because the Jews want the same policies as the gentile elites for basically the same reasons. If there are fewer Jews (Scandinavia, France) in positions of power or where the Jews lean conservative (Britain) the liberals still win with elite gentile support.

    Desegregation would have definitely happened without Jews: The WASPy Earl Warren wanted to force the South to desegregate schools immediately during the Board v Brown implementation hearings in the 1950s. The only reason the South was able to fight against it for another decade was because Frankfurter inserted ‘with all deliberate speed’ into the ruling and against Warren’s initial preferences.

    But of course, inconvenient facts such as the liberal WASPy SCOTUS from 1969 to 1994 had no Jews on it and WASPs were half of the liberal wing of the court from 1994 to 2009 never get mentioned by Stevie.

    Nor does he ever mention the fact 80% of the Communist revolutionary leadership was gentile – only Jews are held collectively responsible as an ethnic group for their liberalism.

    The fact gentiles ruined themselves, and that Jews participated with similarly negative consequences for their community, doesn’t raise tips.

    • Replies: @Bee
    "Desegregation would have definitely happened without Jews"

    Most probably, but you never know. The 1964 Civil Rights act was passed two weeks after two white Jewish and one black civil rights workers were murdered. Many of the Freedom Riders were Jewish, too (so when it was discovered that Ben Affleck's mother wasn't actually a Freedom Rider as he thought, that made sense).
    , @anon

    And on the topic of half-Jews, doesn’t the high intermarriage rate mean any politically viable antisemitic movement is hopeless?
     
    Depends how you define anti-semitic. If you define it as
    - anti banking mafia
    - anti paranoia based cultural destruction
    then some Jews might get with the program and come in for the big win.

    The proportion of Jews (or half, quarter, eighth Jews) in any position is an irrelevant topic because the Jews want the same policies as the gentile elites for basically the same reasons.
     
    It's exceptionally relevant if those positions involve dominating
    - banking
    - mass media
    - academia
    where the opinions of the elite are formed (or bought).
    , @Gross Terry
    The sexual revolution, in particular feminism (name some goy feminist theorists lol) and normalization of sodomy are almost exclusively your guys baby.

    Probably due to your group's Pat-like lack of sexual dimorphism. A race of Jonah/Joanna Hills.
    , @Bill

    Desegregation would have definitely happened without Jews
     
    Exactly. Jews were invaluable in enacting desegregation unless you're against desegregation, in which case they barely had anything to do with it. Jews created the Enlightenment unless you don't like the Enlightenment, in which case they barely had anything to do with it. Jew created psychoanalysis unless you think psychoanalysis is damaging quackery, in which case they barely had anything to do with it. Jews were critical to every leftist movement in Europe from the 19th C forward unless you are against leftism, in which case they barely had anything to do with it.

    It's tough though. When someone says "Jews were invaluable in enacting desegregation," you can't figure out whether they are a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews until you figure out whether they think desegregation is a bad thing.
  273. And Jews are intermarried with the gentile smart fraction.

    You really have to give up these paranoid delusions about Jewish people.

    Exhibit A.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    TUJ was writing about American Jews. Of course not all intermarried American Jews intermarried with the non-Jewish smart fraction, but there is some truth to the claim. Chen Ayalti is an Israeli Jew. A much lower fraction of Israel's Jewish population is intermarried, and relations with many of the non-Jews in close proximity (Arab Muslims) are tense, so I would not expect that any trends gleaned from analysis of Israeli intermarriage data would match those seen in American intermarriages.
  274. @The Undiscovered Jew
    @ Deleted Expletive,

    The proportion of Jews (or half, quarter, eighth Jews) in any position is an irrelevant topic because the Jews want the same policies as the gentile elites for basically the same reasons. If there are fewer Jews (Scandinavia, France) in positions of power or where the Jews lean conservative (Britain) the liberals still win with elite gentile support.

    Desegregation would have definitely happened without Jews: The WASPy Earl Warren wanted to force the South to desegregate schools immediately during the Board v Brown implementation hearings in the 1950s. The only reason the South was able to fight against it for another decade was because Frankfurter inserted 'with all deliberate speed' into the ruling and against Warren's initial preferences.

    But of course, inconvenient facts such as the liberal WASPy SCOTUS from 1969 to 1994 had no Jews on it and WASPs were half of the liberal wing of the court from 1994 to 2009 never get mentioned by Stevie.

    Nor does he ever mention the fact 80% of the Communist revolutionary leadership was gentile - only Jews are held collectively responsible as an ethnic group for their liberalism.

    The fact gentiles ruined themselves, and that Jews participated with similarly negative consequences for their community, doesn't raise tips.

    “Desegregation would have definitely happened without Jews”

    Most probably, but you never know. The 1964 Civil Rights act was passed two weeks after two white Jewish and one black civil rights workers were murdered. Many of the Freedom Riders were Jewish, too (so when it was discovered that Ben Affleck’s mother wasn’t actually a Freedom Rider as he thought, that made sense).

  275. @Bill
    There were multiple research groups working on Polio using similar methods. Salk's won the race, that's all. Other than that, your list is of bad things.

    The atomic bomb had nothing to do with winning WWII. Truman did get to gratuitously kill a lot of women and children with it though. I can't remember, is that a good thing?

    Jews created the sewer that is American popular culture. Great.

    Jews ended segregation. Well, in the US anyway. Great.

    Jews wrote a bunch of "Christmas songs," none of which are actually about Christmas. Great.

    The two big polio cures were by Jonas Salk, and, a few years later, by Albert Sabin (who was also Jewish).

    I think it’s likely that if there were no Jews in the U.S. someone would have developed a polio cure eventually, too, but who knows how many years, and how many people, would have been lost?

    I didn’t say the atomic bomb won World War II. I said the U.S. creation and ownership of the atomic bomb is why the U.S. was so powerful.

    Let’s say the Soviets had 4 times as many Jewish scientists at their deploy as they did, and created the bomb long before the U.S., etc.

    My list may be “bad things” to you, but U.S. pop culture is one reason that the U.S. has dominated the world for almost the last century. And it wasn’t always a “sewer”. Pop culture may have degraded with the times, but Jews created the initially much more elegant pop culture of “wholesome, All-American” films, TV, etc.

    “Jews ended segregation. Well, in the US anyway. Great.”

    -I’m not going to discuss the moral issue of segregation (what’s the point?). But don’t you think it would have been a national embarrassment for a country like the U.S. to be segregated in 2016? Or 1996?

    • Replies: @JSM
    The two big polio cures were by Jonas Salk, and, a few years later, by Albert Sabin (who was also Jewish). but who knows how many years, and how many people, would have been lost?


    Uh... at its introduction, 40% of this "wonder drug invention" were contaminated with SV40 virus, known to cause cancer in hamsters and is associated with cancer in humans:

    http://www.nature.com/onc/journal/v23/n38/full/1207877a.html

    quote from above: SV40 "has been proven to be oncogenic in rodents and capable of transforming human cells in vitro"

    So... if polio vaccine in fact causes human cancer, a rather pyrrhic victory.
    , @Bill
    There is no reason to believe the Polio vaccine would have been developed significantly later absent Jews.

    The atomic bomb had nothing to do with the US winning the 20th Century. It's all geography plus genetics.


    Pop culture may have degraded with the times, but Jews created the initially much more elegant pop culture of “wholesome, All-American” films, TV, etc.
     
    Jews created Lawrence Welk and were his biggest fans. Who knew?

    But don’t you think it would have been a national embarrassment for a country like the U.S. to be segregated in 2016? Or 1996?
     
    Of course not. If the US had not turned against segregation, then segregation would not be a source of embarrassment.
    , @JSM
    "Most Americans probably wouldn’t care, though, since most Americans or their grandparents would be dead from polio anyway."

    You ijit.

    The 50s polio scare was about infantile paralysis, not some hugely contagious thing that kills everyone that catches it, like rabies, or HIV in early 1980s, or something.

    70% of people who catch polio have no symptoms. Only one half of one percent of those who catch it go on to have respiratory distress, i.e., become one among the "iron lung" set of the 1950s.

    The 50s polio scare was hype. Media put out a few pictures of little kids in iron lungs, and the hysteria ensued.

    So, no, without the polio vaccine, "we wouldn't all be dead from polio, anyway."

    , @ben tillman
    -I’m not going to discuss the moral issue of segregation (what’s the point?). But don’t you think it would have been a national embarrassment for a country like the U.S. to be segregated in 2016? Or 1996?

    Only if there were a hostile media convincing people to be embarrassed about it! Segregation is the most natural thing in the world, and people do it all the time.
  276. @Hippopotamusdrome


    i.e. television channels

     

    The television was invented by a Scotsman, John Logie Baird.


    the South would still be segregated

     

    You obviously aren't familliar with this audience.

    The television itself wasn’t invented by Jews, and neither was filmmaking, nor comic books, and so on. But it seems Jews have a knack for getting into these burgeoning industries and turning them into massive pop culture successes with the kind of commercial appeal they didn’t initially have.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Moychidizing!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgRFQJCHcPw
    , @Mr. Anon
    "The television itself wasn’t invented by Jews, and neither was filmmaking, nor comic books, and so on. But it seems Jews have a knack for getting into these burgeoning industries and turning them into massive pop culture successes with the kind of commercial appeal they didn’t initially have."

    Right - movies and TV had no intrinsic cultural appeal, until a group of magical people came along and made them popular. They would have gone nowhere otherwise.

    It used to be that Jews bragged about all the high-brow intellectuals and artists among their ranks: Freud, Einstein, Bernstein, etc. Now they brag about the likes of Milton Berle and Stan Lee, purveyors of puerile drivel, or Ron Jeremy.
    , @ben tillman

    The television itself wasn’t invented by Jews, and neither was filmmaking, nor comic books, and so on. But it seems Jews have a knack for getting into these burgeoning industries and turning them into massive pop culture successes with the kind of commercial appeal they didn’t initially have.
     
    If there's any "knack" here, it's a knack for identifying important niches and media for shaping public opinion and for working to together to exclude others.
  277. @anon

    People on this thread and a few others keep talking about what the U.S. would be like without Jews.
     
    We wouldn't have the vastly over-represented Jewish presence in the media daily attacking white people over disparate impact.

    “We wouldn’t have the vastly over-represented Jewish presence in the media daily attacking white people over disparate impact.”

    Well, you for sure wouldn’t have Fox News, since it was named after a Jew, William Fox of 20th Century Fox.

    I guess it would be Ailes News or the Ford Frivette, or something.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Well, you for sure wouldn’t have Fox News, since it was named after a Jew, William Fox of 20th Century Fox."

    Your contributions here are reminiscent of the Greek father in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding", but with "The Greeks" replaced by "The Jews".
  278. @Mr. Anon
    "There are many facts out there. So what?"

    They are facts. What do you have against facts. They are also relevant. Isn't it possible that the over-representation of Jews in so many areas might lead to them being able to act in ethnicl