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From The Guardian:

‘You don’t have to settle’: the joy of living (and dying) alone

Keli Goff
Data confirms more women have realized there are far worse things than dying alone, which is bad news for the patriarchy

@keligoff
Sun 13 Oct 2019

For years, feminist writer Linda Hirshman courted controversy by advising that marriage, unless to an exceptional man, is often a ‘bad bargain’ for women.

Not long ago I had a discussion with a friend about why she married, and ultimately divorced, someone she knew wasn’t right for her. She said she bought into society’s deafening message that being with a man – any man – is better than being alone, and certainly better than dying alone, which is allegedly the worst fate anyone, especially any woman, can suffer.

When I told her that I’ve never feared dying alone, and in fact have sometimes feared the opposite, she told me I was incredibly lucky. Because this meant I wouldn’t end up settling for a life that doesn’t actually make me happy, even if society tells me it’s supposed to.

Apparently I’m not alone. (Pun intended!) Data confirms that more women have begun to realize that there are far worse things than dying alone, which is great news for women but bad news for the patriarchy.

Marie Prevost: Sticking it to the Patriarchy

 
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  1. Oh, young people today! They think they know it all, but just wait until old age creeps up on them.

    • Agree: Dieter Kief
  2. You have to love the young people! They think they know it all, but just wait until old age creeps up on them.

  3. Soma Soma Soma

  4. Wow just wow how surprising.

    There is no end of ways White women are the natural and eternal enemy of White men.

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Troll: Chris Mallory
    • Replies: @Kronos
    Many 1960s women missed the biological window to have children. Now, they’re in the “misery loves company” mode.

    Remember, most women are bad at making big decisions. But are very good at rationalizing those decisions afterwords.
    , @istevefan

    There is no end of ways White women are the natural and eternal enemy of White men.
     
    Keli Goff is not White.

    Or were you referring to Linda Hirshman?
    , @Mr. Anon

    There is no end of ways White women are the natural and eternal enemy of White men.
     
    No, but obviously there is no end of ways that White women are the natural and eternal enemy of the pathetic nebbish known as "Whiskey".
    , @Lot
    ChineseWomenDate.com

    https://www.chinesewomendate.com/004/join/register07/P756777.jpg
    , @Pop Warner
    There's nothing natural about it, which is why these articles are shilled so hard
  5. As long as she dies, I don’t care whether she’s alone or not.

  6. Apparently I’m not alone. (Pun intended!)

    Excuse me, I don’t think that qualifies as a pun.

    • Replies: @Laurence Whelk
    "Apparently, I'm not a loan" would be a pun.
  7. Most boomers won’t die alone.
    The west African orderly that starves them to death will count as company.

    • Replies: @Laurence Whelk

    Most boomers won’t die alone.
    The west African orderly that starves them to death will count as company.
     
    Or maybe they'll go down fighting...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/10/14/elderly-care-staff-accused-pitting-residents-against-each-other-dementia-fight-club/
    , @RadicalCenter
    Boomers have children. It’s the younger generations of white americans who don’t. Many of the people mocking boomers will die alone with no kids to protect or visit them, not the great majority of boomers.
    , @obwandiyag
    The white ones starve them too. And the Hispanics. Besides beating them, ignoring their calls for help and leaving them to stew in their own waste.

    It is equal opportunity abuse and nobody cares because A. young people are sociopaths, and B. everybody thinks they're going to live forever, and C. it's class, not race. Aides are not middle-class and do not have middle-class values.
  8. >and certainly better than dying alone<

    Future suicide bomber?

  9. “The Joy of Dying Alone…”

    A responsible journalist would understand that before recommending it to anyone else she should try it out for herself. They can let us know from beyond the grave what it was like.

    Accepting life without the benefit of a significant other is just another kind of “settling” – in many ways even worse than settling for someone who is, allegedly, beneath you. Either become a good enough person to attract the kind of person you think is good enough for you, or realize that both you and your companion are going to have to learn to appreciate living life with a highly imperfect person.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin, Andy
    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    Either become a good enough person to attract the kind of person you think is good enough for you, or realize that both you and your companion are going to have to learn to appreciate living life with a highly imperfect person.
     
    Well said Wilkey.

    Neither AnotherMom nor I am actually good enough for the other. But somehow we've made it work--for the children!--and had a hell of a lot of terrific man/woman fun doing it.
  10. A Trump win in 2020, and a Boris win with Brexit, would both result in a very strong eruption of hysteria among the GloboHomo crowd, and THIS time, iron should be struck while hot.

    There will be real moods along the line of “I’m moving to Canada” or “I’m moving to Sweden”, but this time both the US and the UK should have relocation programs on the ready. Quickly, while the mood is right, give twenty grand to any whiner who signs up, and kick them out into Sweden or Canada, with the citizenship change streamlined on both sides.

    Once this becomes a thing, it’ll legitimize doing the same with various ethnic minorities and sending them to Ghana or Peru or Pakistan…

  11. Didn’t read it but I’m sure old Grauniad found space to mention that the only Muslim who dies alone is taking enemies with him, and the Persians say dying with company is like dining with company.
    Two examples of real headlines which are literally telling you to kill yourself:
    Rand Paul, who has in the past vacillated between nobility worthy of his father and convenience worthy of his colleagues, today donned the armor of Horatio. He blocked a Senate vote condemning Trump’s unwillingness to murder innocent people by calling the neocon bluff and demanding the proper war case which nobody could make on the finest mushrooms. Maybe now House Republicans will make the same argument about the “impeachment,” excuse me, I mean the “impeachment inquiry,” it can’t be an impeachment because an impeachment follows a full floor vote (and a discussion of procedure and rules), and this “inquiry” is just Nancy Pelosi tolerating Adam Schiff thinking out loud.
    An 18-year-old Polish girl visited Chicago. She was raped and beaten so severely she had to relearn how to walk and talk. You don’t need to see a picture of who did it, you already know two things about him, one of which is that he was getting his life together. Think happy thoughts, you’re not allowed to think anything else.

  12. Clicking on the article, not a great surprise to see the author is an African American woman (marriage rate among them, 26%). Dying alone is not that bad: rationalizing the inevitable

    • Agree: dc.sunsets
    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    For Black women the main thing is to die of natural causes.
    , @Prester John
    Gotta figure it's either a black woman or a Jewess. Either way, they always seem so...so...ANGRY.
  13. @Whiskey
    Wow just wow how surprising.

    There is no end of ways White women are the natural and eternal enemy of White men.

    Many 1960s women missed the biological window to have children. Now, they’re in the “misery loves company” mode.

    Remember, most women are bad at making big decisions. But are very good at rationalizing those decisions afterwords.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Remember, most women are bad at making big decisions. But are very good at rationalizing those decisions afterwords.
     
    To rationalize is part of our survival kit - all neurotic defense mechanisms are. That's how we get along, not least socially: By neglecting, lying, avoiding, downplaying etc. etc. - all kinds of truths. Truth is a sharp edged thing. Women understand that perfectly well and don't care too much therefor.

    (I think, that Raymond Chandler would have agreed).

    Result: Women usually get along better than men do. Life is unfair - not least to nerds...

    Btw. I didn't know this bonmot by Carl Schmidt, one of the more eminent figures in European (?) history of the mind of the 20th century, who greatly influenced (amongst others) Leo Straus: "Only a person who has had such big troubles to decide for himself could have come up with a Theory of Decesiveness****." (My translation).

    **** saying that politics is less about being right than about knowing that things have to be done. Politics thus for Schmitt is the acceptance of diverging interests and vital (=unavoidable) conflict between nations/states. Thus the importance of the enemy for politics. - For Derrida, Schmitt was interesting, because Schmitt too in his eyes, had a knack for the other/ otherness as a structural necessity of our existence.
    , @Anon
    Just the big ones, isn't it? They are aces when it comes to small, and median decision, aren't they.
    , @Alden
    And how many children do you have Kronos??
    1,2, none? Practice what you preach.
    , @Corvinus
    "Remember, most women are bad at making big decisions."

    Actually, it's men and women who lack certain traits who are bad at making big decisions.

    "But are very good at rationalizing those decisions afterwords."

    Like men who "pump and dump"?
  14. advising that marriage, unless to an exceptional man, is often a ‘bad bargain’ for women.

    Gloria Steinem would agree.

    https://www.whosdatedwho.com/dating/mort-zuckerman

    (Yes, Gloria was Christian Bale’s stepmother.)

    Marie Prevost: Sticking it to the Patriarchy

    A close and dear relative was walking her dog along a creek when she suffered an epileptic fit, fell in, and drowned. She was found the next day, with her arm chewed up. Investigators determined that the dog had vainly tried to pull her to safety.

    Isn’t the Marie Prevost case similar? Don’t researchers now lean toward the belief that her pets were trying to revive her, not consume her?

    Coincidentally, the longest time I spent with this relative was on a family vacation when “Cruel to Be Kind” was all over the airwaves, and my stereo. Little did I know that decades hence I’d associate her death with another of Nick’s songs.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Yes, Gloria was Christian Bale’s stepmother
     
    I'm not sure why you felt the need to mention this, but since you did I would say that Gloria still is Christian's stepmother.
  15. Everyone makes decisions at 20 that they regret at 50, and admit to regretting at 70.

    • Replies: @Jim bob Lassiter
    That's a pretty good nugget.
  16. …there are far worse things than dying alone…

    And there are far better things; like having a support network of friends and family; but such things don’t seem to register with feminists.

    • Agree: TWS
    • Replies: @Kronos
    But, they got the sisterhood.

    After contemplation, (both from the “Rational Male” and Vox Day’s SJW series) there aren't too many male exclusive organizations anymore.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/therationalmale.com/2014/06/03/male-space/amp/


    Sisterhoods (like male gangs) can be socially addicting. The exclusiveness can be addicting within itself. “Sorry, no blanks allowed.”

    I find it a travesty for MANkind, but the feminists at least have something to rely on in old age. If your all by yourself (with no friends and/or family.) the hospital is going to take advantage of you.

    https://youtu.be/GGhu5Zl5ry8

    , @dc.sunsets
    I'll take my grandkids for 500, Alex.
  17. She said she bought into society’s deafening message that being with a man – any man – is better than being alone, and certainly better than dying alone, which is allegedly the worst fate anyone, especially any woman, can suffer.

    When I told her that I’ve never feared dying alone, and in fact have sometimes feared the opposite, she told me I was incredibly lucky.

    Today we’re supposed to buy into society’s deafening message that Diversity Is Our Strength, White Man Bad/POC Good, and believing this is better than being slandered as a racist, sexist, antisemitic, homophobic, islamophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, nativist which is allegedly the worst fate anyone, especially any White man, can suffer.

    But when we started to tell each other we didn’t fear being called those things we realized how incredibly lucky we were.

    It’s good to know you can question society.

  18. “that marriage, unless to an exceptional man, is often a ‘bad bargain’ for women.”

    What makes women so exceptional that the average layman wins by getting married? Considering the droves of tattooed, uncouth, and extremely in debt (PhD’s in Gender Studies don’t come cheap!) women don’t seem to have their lives together it seems like an economic loss to get involved with such types. What is the benefit? What do they provide me, or anyone, besides economic incentives (if they get a job) and relations, these people don’t want to reproduce, they want to live in tiny cuckshed houses, pittbulls as pets, probably spend all their time protesting, won’t cook, won’t do any household chores, what is the point.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
    Fuck, man. I’m not trying to be an asshole, but surely you see that yours is precisely the same argument as the feminist harridan’s, just in reverse?

    Yes, white women today are gross. Honestly, they’re fucking disgusting. No one would touch one without an insurance policy and a booster shot. But they’re OUR women. They’re what we got. We can’t make additional whites without them.

    You win, by getting married, by having a human woman by your side, producing your children, supporting you in whatever pathetic way she can (given the circumstances) while you try to do better by the next round of souls to inhabit this miserable rock.

    There is no other alternative. Dying alone to prove some kind of point only benefits the Jews. Yes, our white women are repulsive whores; but without us, who will steward them out of this behavior? We cannot reproduce without them. It is literally impossible.
    , @Thea
    Men alone are architects and builders of society. Women simply live in your creation. Consider who the powerful men ruining our civilization are and how and why they did it.


    Feminism is simply women acting up and begging men to take a firm hand.

    , @Art Deco
    I'm not seeing that. I think weight problems are more common than was the case 50 years ago (in part because cigarette smoking and amphetamine use is less common).

    If the experience of the younger men in our families is any guide, what they face is a female population chock-a-block with those who think of marriage as just a stage of the dating relationship. Three quite reasonable young men among ours have been abandoned a propos of nothing in particular in the last 11 years. The most enduring of these marriages lasted a shade over three years. At least two of these women (quite possibly all three) were whoring around on their husbands before they hit the road.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson 3
    You need to get out more. You must not know any marriageable women. The ones you describe are a minority. The ones you want are a majority, but they are not loud and obnoxious enough to gain your attention.

    Embrace a theologically conservative version of Christianity. Find a church and become a worker bee in that church. (Make sure it is big enough to have a relatively large number of nubile candidates.) Work, and work hard there. Solve their problems. Be a gentleman. Pay attention to the nubiles. Look for symmetry. If you have physical, intellectual or spiritual defects, don't target Shannon Breem as a potential spouse. For example, if you like the symphony, and she prefers watching the professional bull riders, move on. Don't expect to marry Miss America or Miss Rodeo Queen.

    You can make this work, but don't listen Whiskey and the Eeyore brigade. It won't be easy, but it will be worthwhile.

    We will all die, and no one wants to die alone, unmissed and unmourned. If you have no children, or if you have them and you neglect them, you will die alone, unmissed and unmourned. And that is just the materialist perspective. If you reject materialism, you have an even greater motivation to embrace something more than just you.
    , @Mike_from_SGV
    There is no point. Go your own way. Rent their services when necessary.
  19. If published obituaries are to be believed, most people are surrounded by their families when they die. Sure. Especially in nursing home deaths, which must be close to half of all deaths, I doubt that’s usually the case.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Oh, a suprising number of nursing home and hospice deaths are surrounded by family. Especially the ones who never visited before, and are waiting to sue the facility for allowing their 89-year-old, multiple organs failing relative to just die.
    , @James Braxton
    The people with obituaries are the people with families who cared to write one and pay to have it published.
  20. For years, feminist writer Linda Hirshman courted controversy by advising that marriage, unless to an exceptional man, is often a ‘bad bargain’ for women.

    Well, there are some things (like Linda Hirshman) you can’t cover up with lipstick and powder.

    After all, “feminism” is only mindless “Girls Talk.”

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    Thanks for that. I hadn't heard it in a while and had forgotten about it. I remember walking out of the university library the day before a mid-term exam c. 1979, and stumbling upon Rockpile playing in the quad outside. For some reason, even though Dave Edmunds and Nick Lowe were big on college radio those days, the crowd was thin that day. I watched him and Nick Lowe from the edge of the stage, which was about two feet high. A real treat.
  21. 😂

    Ok I’m done laughing. For actual credible research, the Harvard longtitudinal study pretty much validated that people in happy long-term relationships live longest and well, then comes those who are happy but single (but there’s a big drop off between the first group and second), and the last group are people in unhappy relationships. If I’m not mistaken, it’s not just length but also quality of life, including some correlation (not sure of causality) with dementia and mental health (ie being in happy relationships is correlated with improved mental health and lower instances of dementia and Alzheimer’s etc). The same findings have been verified via other studies as well, including those by the Gottman Institute, which does some good research on couples and long-standing relationships.

    This author… From what google tells me is 40years old and still single (unmarried at any case), so maybe this is her trying to reassure herself that she’s not going to turn into a mentally unstable and lonely old woman? Sometimes we want to believe something so badly we are blinded to facts to the contrary. The sad part in all this is that there’s probably going to be thousands of comments from thousands of single women all over the world, experiencing the same fears, reinforcing this idiocy because it’s a more palatable lie than the hard-truth of research. And then soon fiction becomes fact.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "From what google tells me is 40 years old and still single (unmarried at any case), so maybe this is her trying to reassure herself that she’s not going to turn into a mentally unstable and lonely old woman? "

    Do you have the English phrase "making a virtue of necessity" on your side of the pond?
  22. At least, in the new multi-funky world that have created, their genetic legacy will be extinct. Good. If only they would have the decency to die alone sooner.

  23. Looking forward to the Guardian inviting a MGTOW guy to give us his angle on marriage.

  24. “Madge”– not Palmolive’s– shares her views on age and patriarchy:

    Madonna at 60: Still Blaming the Patriarchy

    Money bray: “…further proof that the N.Y.T is one of the founding fathers of the Patriarchy.”

    You heard it, from the immaterial girl herself.

    • LOL: Bubba
    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    'The Patriarchy.' Is that what she calls her many baby daddies?
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    'The Patriarchy.' Is that what she calls her many baby daddies?
    , @Anonymous
    Even though she has a vagina and an opinion, Madge is probably the least coerced and most privileged person on this planet today.

    This needs pointing out.
    , @nymom
    The sad fact I find about Madonna is that she had to arrange (I don't know if that means payment or some other larger favor) to have her first child...so even at the height of her fame and beauty she couldn't find someone willing to have a long enough relationship with her in order to have a child without being compensated...

    So the father of her first child could almost be seen as a surrogate donor father.

    I found that very moving and sad.
  25. Jonathan Franzen dissected this in two pages of his novel “Freedom”:

  26. @Harry Baldwin
    Apparently I’m not alone. (Pun intended!)

    Excuse me, I don't think that qualifies as a pun.

    “Apparently, I’m not a loan” would be a pun.

  27. @Doktor Jeep
    Most boomers won't die alone.
    The west African orderly that starves them to death will count as company.

    Most boomers won’t die alone.
    The west African orderly that starves them to death will count as company.

    Or maybe they’ll go down fighting…

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/10/14/elderly-care-staff-accused-pitting-residents-against-each-other-dementia-fight-club/

  28. @Whiskey
    Wow just wow how surprising.

    There is no end of ways White women are the natural and eternal enemy of White men.

    There is no end of ways White women are the natural and eternal enemy of White men.

    Keli Goff is not White.

    Or were you referring to Linda Hirshman?

  29. @Whiskey
    Wow just wow how surprising.

    There is no end of ways White women are the natural and eternal enemy of White men.

    There is no end of ways White women are the natural and eternal enemy of White men.

    No, but obviously there is no end of ways that White women are the natural and eternal enemy of the pathetic nebbish known as “Whiskey”.

    • LOL: Ozymandias
    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
    Just LOL @ this cuck "Mr." Anon.
    , @Whiskey
    Referring to Hitschman. I don't care about women's choices except as it in aggregate informs policy. Like taking my car.

    I know who my enemies are as they tell me over and over : gays Blacks and suburban White women.
    , @Whiskey
    They are your enemy too. They'll vote in a heartbeat to take your car and house and money.

    You might want to live under a bridge while slaving away for Globohomo and you bug ration. I'd rather have every White woman in the West married and invested in my interest.
  30. Dying alone………….the natural progression from Bowling alone.

    • Replies: @Ancient Briton
    ... then eaten by cats.
  31. @Tusk
    "that marriage, unless to an exceptional man, is often a ‘bad bargain’ for women."

    What makes women so exceptional that the average layman wins by getting married? Considering the droves of tattooed, uncouth, and extremely in debt (PhD's in Gender Studies don't come cheap!) women don't seem to have their lives together it seems like an economic loss to get involved with such types. What is the benefit? What do they provide me, or anyone, besides economic incentives (if they get a job) and relations, these people don't want to reproduce, they want to live in tiny cuckshed houses, pittbulls as pets, probably spend all their time protesting, won't cook, won't do any household chores, what is the point.

    Fuck, man. I’m not trying to be an asshole, but surely you see that yours is precisely the same argument as the feminist harridan’s, just in reverse?

    Yes, white women today are gross. Honestly, they’re fucking disgusting. No one would touch one without an insurance policy and a booster shot. But they’re OUR women. They’re what we got. We can’t make additional whites without them.

    You win, by getting married, by having a human woman by your side, producing your children, supporting you in whatever pathetic way she can (given the circumstances) while you try to do better by the next round of souls to inhabit this miserable rock.

    There is no other alternative. Dying alone to prove some kind of point only benefits the Jews. Yes, our white women are repulsive whores; but without us, who will steward them out of this behavior? We cannot reproduce without them. It is literally impossible.

    • Agree: Counterinsurgency
    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency

    Yes, our white women are repulsive whores; but without us, who will steward them out of this behavior? We cannot reproduce without them. It is literally impossible.
     
    And sometimes they're so badly hurt that they're just nonfunctional, can't be stewarded out of it. Women have a high degree of Agreeableness, but unfortunately it's to society in general and other women in particular as opposed to men in general and their husband in particular. If society tells them to, a surprising fraction of women will go full bore Medea [1] or Clytemnestra [2] on a man who has done nothing except be away at work too many hours a week, or (less severe case) destroy anything in the family that the woman doesn't like.

    This suggests that the real culprit in this is "society". If men want functional women, people who will actually look out for their own welfare and that of their children, men will have to re-make society so that it tells women to do that. As it is now, "dying alone" like Medea or Clytemnestra (who did leave descendants, suicidal ones) is the ultimate praiseworthy goal for women, who are told that this will deliver the ideal husband to them, or at least a rewarding life [3, 4]. The actual women I've seen who tried this do not seem happy with themselves, and in some cases are so wrapped up in pretending that everything has worked out well that they appear mildly psychotic.

    The above lie is horribly cruel, and should be treated as such. Society must be changed until the lie is no longer told [6].

    As Daniel Williams points out, there isn't really any alternative save, perhaps, extinction.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://www.ancient-literature.com/greece_euripides_medea.html

    2] https://www.greekmythology.com/Myths/Mortals/Clytemnestra/clytemnestra.html

    3] Shell Silverstein quote:
    Tell kids: 'Ernie is the giant who lives in the ceiling. If you throw an egg at the ceiling and yell 'Catch, Ernie', then Ernie will reach down an catch the egg!"
    Or, as they saying goes,
    "You'll never know until you try it, and after that it's too late."

    4] Mammalian brains change after menarche, and again after giving birth [5]. In a way, not marrying is a way to preserve the woman's present mind, which may not look forward to being transformed into a mind preoccupied by keeping its baby alive.

    5] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pregnancy-causes-lasting-changes-in-a-womans-brain/
    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/01/what-happens-to-a-womans-brain-when-she-becomes-a-mother/384179/

    6] Historically, ending this lie has been accomplished by ending the security and prosperity that made women able to believe it. Once it's obvious that men are fighting for their lives and a bit malnourished to boot, women tend to value the men a bit more. If everything else fails and things get that bad, the lie goes away. One would hope there was some other way to do it.
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    You should test your own advice personally and let us all know how wonderful it turns out for you.

    We'll be especially curious to know what, if any visitation rights you are granted by the court and where the judge sets your alimony and child support payments.
    , @Sam Coulton

    But they’re OUR women. They’re what we got.
     
    Wrong. We got much better options (they don't).

    We cannot reproduce without them. It is literally impossible.
     
    Wrong.


    http://i.imgur.com/bvmyR.jpg
    , @bomag
    Good response.

    Let's extend stewardship to help our homegrown workforce instead of importing foreigners.
    , @Anonymous

    You win, by getting married, by having a human woman by your side, producing your children, supporting you in whatever pathetic way she can (given the circumstances) while you try to do better by the next round of souls to inhabit this miserable rock.

    There is no other alternative. Dying alone to prove some kind of point only benefits the Jews. Yes, our white women are repulsive whores; but without us, who will steward them out of this behavior? We cannot reproduce without them. It is literally impossible.
     
    Come on, there are no longer anti-miscegenation laws. Go for a quality-made import who can give you high-IQ offspring.


    https://kresidency.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/asian-white-wedding.jpg
    https://laotiancommotion.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/blogholidaycard20142.jpg
    https://www.johnderbyshire.com/FamilyAlbum/Huntington2007/2011-08-06al.jpg

     

    On looks alone Derb’s wife is easily an 8.5. For her age probably a 9. Look at Derb. Even with Ron Unz’s money he could only hope to land a 7.0 white woman who when she reaches the age of 50 becomes a 6.0 nag on a good day.

    To any young white man the advice is simple. Go East you man.

    [This comment:
    Imprimatur/nihil obstat: Whiskey]
    , @Tusk
    Don't get me wrong, I only mean that about these feminist types, I definitely do think the majority of women are like that (which I may be wrong about) but the irony comes from the fact the group of people that has the least to offer are the ones implying that they should withhold themselves. I think the worst part of the authors mindset, and the modern gender/feminist studied courses, is that they absolutely ruin women that may have had a shot at a normal life otherwise.

    You're definitely right that we need to take responsibility for our own. All things are give and take, I do hope that both the Western man and woman can redeem themselves, jointly.
    , @theMann
    Three words dude:

    Venezuelan Refugee Bride.



    White enough.
    Hot enough.
    Pleasant enough.



    I am seriously tired of guys whining about marriage. Do you: have a decent job? Brush your teeth? Dress well? Talk without swearing? Have any ability whatsoever to take care of yourself in fight?
    Congratulations, you are quality marriage material. Act like it.
    , @Pericles
    In all fairness, Tusk was replying to a woman praising extreme, possibly terminal, choosiness among regular women. In case the girls still don't get it, let Jean Knight take it away.

    You think you're hot stuff
    But in my book, you're not hot enough now
    You think you're hot stuff
    But I'm the one who's gonna cool you off

    When the other girls looked at you
    I know how they got fooled
    Their mistake was they got carried away
    And they didn't know what to do now
    Baby, baby, I know what you're after
    But I know what you're not gonna get

    ("Mr Big Stuff")
    , @Anonymous
    If you think we're so disgusting, why do you want to make additional white people, knowing that half of them will be women?
    , @Alden
    Why don’t you start your own I hate women because I’m not getting any blog?

    One thing I’m continually shocked about UNZ male commenters is how obsessed they are with fertility but only seem to have 1,2, or no children?

    Sometimes this site is like a Henry 8 movie with Henry and everyone else going psycho because with all those wives and mistresses he could only produce 2 kids who lived past 18.

    What is this, a support group for people fertility clinics couldn’t help?
    , @Corvinus
    "Yes, white women today are gross. Honestly, they’re fucking disgusting."

    Please seek counseling. Seriously.

    "supporting you in whatever pathetic way she can (given the circumstances)"

    That's not true.

    "Dying alone to prove some kind of point only benefits the Jews."

    LOL. No.
  32. These wahmuns are amusing – they are “sticking it to the patriarchy” by not saddling men in long term relationships with the ungrateful harpies that they are and self-terminating their mutant genetic lines – great strategy.

    I have a delightful, beautiful and decidedly non-vicious wife, but if I had the choice between scoring some nice tail up into my forties and then living a peaceful and quiet late life “alone”, or being legally tied to some horrific hag who hides her self-loathing under the title of feminism, well, there is plenty of good wine to drink, good music to listen to, and good books to read – in peace.

    While the self hating, life hating hags are taking themselves out of the reproductive game, women who love men, love children, and love family project their genes and their temperament into the future. Unfortunately it’s the White women (the most fortunate, free, and pampered women in human history) who are being infected with this sickness.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
    I have a delightful, beautiful and decidedly non-vicious wife, but if I had the choice between scoring some nice tail up into my forties and then living a peaceful and quiet late life “alone”, or being legally tied to some horrific hag who hides her self-loathing under the title of feminism, well, there is plenty of good wine to drink, good music to listen to, and good books to read.

    I disagree. I’m thirty-nine. I’ve fucked scores of women, beatiful and otherwise, and I assure you that I would trade the collective experience in a heartbeat for a living heir.

    Books and music gradually become meaningless. They are the excreta of some other souls—the meaningless output of other isolated nobodies trying to make sense of their time in this prison of flesh. They can illuminate or entertain, sure, but compared to the actual reproduction of your human flesh, the fulfillment of your line and genetic destiny, it is all masturbation. You read Plato, sure, and feel elevated; and then you die.

    Wine keeps giving though. I’ll yive you that much.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    Lerner and Lowe summed up your sentiments nicely. "I'm an Ordinary Man," from My Fair Lady.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQGH9zereFc
  33. Sure, but Keli Goff is a 40 year old, accomplished African American woman. This demographic is known to have trouble finding partners. They’re the most extreme example of it. People who would collapse in a fit of the vapors if they ever came across iSteve know this, and lord knows everyone here knows it.

    This self-absorbed “journalist, playwright and screenwriter” probably has lots of fabulous friends with whom she may imbibe Thug Passions, and take turns testifying about their strength, intelligence, independence, uncompromising standards…

    But there are millions of hermits in America, living among us. Not as fabulous as Keli, of course. Most older, of course. No family, no partner, few acquaintances, little social engagement of any kind. Loneliness is endemic in the West, even in cities. And it’s gotten worse ever since we got all these new friends from every corner of the earth who speak different languages we don’t understand, because diversity is our greatest strength, and by ‘our’ I mean the Marxists who want to destroy Western social cohesion: the family, the nation, monogamy, regional loyalties of any kind, religion, and on.

    This is what normal people are afraid of, Keli. ‘Dying alone,’ of course, but isolation and loneliness make life hardly worth living. No wonder so many people kill themselves with opiates. Prisoners in solitary confinement have a higher suicide rate, too.

    • Agree: Triumph104
    • Replies: @Anon
    At 40 Keli is at the age where she has realized that she is not going to get married and have kids. The ovaries are dried out, and she no longer draws the male gaze as consistently as before when out and about. To think anything other than that being alone is good would provoke unbearable cognitive dissonance.

    On the other hand, she has not yet reached the age where health problems start to pop up while at the same time freelance writing and pundit job prospects start to fade, as a new upcoming generation cancels her generation.

    So she is in the “dying alone is fine” uncanny valley.

    The most heartfelt articles by female journalists tend to be exhortations that the relationship and reproductive state that she currently finds herself in is the ideal, the end of the arc of history, and that Come the Revolution, this will be recognized by all.
    , @Amerimutt Golems
    I first became aware through a BBC World Service SJW-infused documentary.

    Married Black Men’s Opinions as to Why Black Women Are Disproportionately Single: A Qualitative Study
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4465800/
  34. A visit to a high school teacher (widower, 82, sons overseas) hospitalised after a fall at home – located by police after concern expressed on his third day running no-show at the “local” (pub) – left no doubt that it’s not all showbiz and glamour pegging out alone. Here’s a cheery reminder for the author:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Cream_Cracker_under_the_Settee

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    Please don't use mobile links.

    Also, I find it amazing that someone was so attached to his bar that missing three days was enough for a welfare check.
  35. @Laurence Whelk
    These wahmuns are amusing - they are “sticking it to the patriarchy” by not saddling men in long term relationships with the ungrateful harpies that they are and self-terminating their mutant genetic lines - great strategy.

    I have a delightful, beautiful and decidedly non-vicious wife, but if I had the choice between scoring some nice tail up into my forties and then living a peaceful and quiet late life “alone”, or being legally tied to some horrific hag who hides her self-loathing under the title of feminism, well, there is plenty of good wine to drink, good music to listen to, and good books to read - in peace.

    While the self hating, life hating hags are taking themselves out of the reproductive game, women who love men, love children, and love family project their genes and their temperament into the future. Unfortunately it’s the White women (the most fortunate, free, and pampered women in human history) who are being infected with this sickness.

    I have a delightful, beautiful and decidedly non-vicious wife, but if I had the choice between scoring some nice tail up into my forties and then living a peaceful and quiet late life “alone”, or being legally tied to some horrific hag who hides her self-loathing under the title of feminism, well, there is plenty of good wine to drink, good music to listen to, and good books to read.

    I disagree. I’m thirty-nine. I’ve fucked scores of women, beatiful and otherwise, and I assure you that I would trade the collective experience in a heartbeat for a living heir.

    Books and music gradually become meaningless. They are the excreta of some other souls—the meaningless output of other isolated nobodies trying to make sense of their time in this prison of flesh. They can illuminate or entertain, sure, but compared to the actual reproduction of your human flesh, the fulfillment of your line and genetic destiny, it is all masturbation. You read Plato, sure, and feel elevated; and then you die.

    Wine keeps giving though. I’ll yive you that much.

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason, JMcG
    • Replies: @Laurence Whelk
    Ah - perhaps I am not clear.

    I have two wonderful adult children so hopefully I have at least minimally extended my line.

    I was just comparing a life of epicurean pleasure to anchoring myself to one of these intolerable anti-patriarchal harridans - if they want to take themselves out of the long term game, god bless them!

    I am glad that I found a good and normative woman to join with to further our line. But if I had to mix my seed with one of these anti-human witches and then spend 4-5 decades listening to her daily inane ramblings, I’d rather read the books, listen to the music, drink the wine.
    , @Bill P
    Well, what's holding you back? 39 is a bit late to start, but shouldn't be a problem for a man in reasonably good health.

    Just avoid women with a history of screwing guys over and take the proper precautions with your property.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    At 39 you should be in pole position to pick and choose from the early 30's 'epiphany' crowd with incipient baby rabies. Caveat emptor, of course.

    Are there any non-indoctrinated women out there between 25-33 though?

    (Sometimes it's not healthy to read the Guardian or any social media too much - you get the impression all young women have mental issues of one kind or another, and there must be some sane ones)

    "Wine keeps giving though."

    Wine AND women are a time-honoured combination.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W77Kwh6f0TE

    , @Kratoklastes

    ...the actual reproduction of your human flesh, the fulfillment of your line and genetic destiny...
     
    People who think like this leave me absolutely baffled. It is narcissism beyond the limits of human endurance to consider it so meaningful to reproduce a series of self-hybrids in which your own genetic material plays an exponentially-diminishing role.

    Plus, that phrase is creepy as fuck.

    It's not like there's some magic involved: all you need to do is squirt a load into a receptive female of the same species. It's not like it's a demonstration of rare and particular skill: think of the dumbest poorest least-educated meth-addict raggedy-ass white trash you can think of... and realise that reproduction is such a trivial doing, that they can do it too..

    You're taking a very short term view, bro: in another twenty generations nobody will give a fuck about the most famous real people from history (e.g., Hitler, Stalin, Black Panther [lol couldn't resist]) or the mythical ones (Thor, Hercules, Samson, Moses, Jesus, Spider-man).

    The probability that any of your line does anything of lasting note (something that makes their name known, 100 years after their birth, outside a circle of 100 people) between now and the heat-death of the universe, is staggeringly low.

    And that's not meant to be a slight on you personally: that's just how shit is. And any descendant more than 2 degrees of Kevin Bacon from you (e.g., a great-grandkid) is such a crap-shoot that you're as likely to detest them, as embrace them as a member of your family. Descendants will make decisions you don't like - even while you're around to object: as far as furnishing genuine utility and happiness to you personally, it's a wash.

    The universe is ~14 billion years old; this planet, ~4 billion years old. Humans qua species ~500k years old.

    And you think that something in your genetic mishmash is worth preserving - so much so that it has a "destiny"?

    That's fucking preposterous. I'm an unapologetically self-centred elitist, and I understand - and have really, deeply internalised - that in the genuine long run, nothing anybody does matters.

    It matters locally (i.e., within one's own life), but thinking you can can look into the seeds of time, and say which grain will grow and which will not is unmitigated hubris bordering on mental illness.

    The idea of living into a decrepit old age is repugnant to me - I would off myself if I became degeneratively infirm. If a cure was found the next day, so what? I would have some minuscule amount of time left in the gap between the two voids (void ①: the billions of years that passed before I was born; void ②: the billions of years that will pass after I die).

    That said, I'm also a techno-utopian, so virtualising and extending the gap between the voids by a couple of hundred million years might be interesting (but only locally).
    , @Dave2
    At age 40, Anthony Stralow paid a white woman for eggs and paid brown women to incubate them. Got three adorable white kids with his DNA for about AU$40,000 apiece, a trifling sum compared to what his friends have lost in divorce court.

    We can write off a generation of white females if we have to.
    , @The Wild Geese Howard

    I’ve fucked scores of women, beatiful and otherwise,
     
    /r/thathappened
    , @ParlaphoneRevolver1980
    In my experience, anyone who boasts that he has "fucked scores of women" is, per usual, full of shit.
  36. In 2019, stupid articles by angry wymen literally bitching (writing actually about their life’s problems, not really about the subject matter) are printworthy. Isn’t there a Turkish Invasion over which a protest has to be organized or something?

    Also, Hitler sticking it to the #Patriarchy:

  37. She won’t be dying alone – her cats will be there. They may even end up eating her corpse and how many widowers would do that?

  38. Great song link, one of my favorites on a great album! Lowe got his money’s worth out of his copy of Hollywood Babylon. And the guy has aged pretty well.

  39. @Whiskey
    Wow just wow how surprising.

    There is no end of ways White women are the natural and eternal enemy of White men.

    ChineseWomenDate.com

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    I think she'd rather die single than date Whiskey. I know I would if I was a chick.
    , @Carol
    Broken branch grandparents cry
    , @Dave2
    Truth in advertising: When posting photos of Chinese cuties on a forum frequented by white men, you must include a picture of Elliot Rodger.
  40. The Guardian picked the most cheerful possible picture to accompany that article.

    Slate had a disturbing article on the topic.
    http://tinyurl.com/y5qu69h8

    There are YouTube videos that are easily found, on the increasing incidence of lonely deaths in Japan. It is a fate best avoided, and not embraced, as the young and foolish Keli Goff suggests.

    • Replies: @Altai
    That there are enough for a full on profession of 'liquidators' to have emerged to clean up the mess and odor from bodies lying undisturbed for weeks or months is truly disturbing. I wonder if there is another economic niche in reporting this history to potential renters and buyers of these places.
  41. I am acquainted with a lot of white proles. The old, lonely women are the most miserable among them. They also consume an enormous amount of welfare/healthcare benefits.

    The old ones with family around are much healthier and more active, and they don’t moan and complain nearly as much. They also are more likely to still be gainfully employed, despite often providing a lot of childcare to grandkids.

    If this were my sole frame of reference, I’d chalk it up to needy, lazy and unpleasant people being generally repellent, and therefore lonely. However, I have not seen this tendency among the local abuelitas, despite it being unfortunately common among white prole women. Because I know from experience that Mexicans are not actually more industrious and cheerful by nature, I figure there must be some deep cultural dysfunction afflicting American women.

    As a genXer, I’m afraid a lot of women of my generation are going to be an enormous burden on my kids and their peers. I’ve even begun to feel a bit resentful of the childless women my age because of this. If they chose to forego childrearing, they are freeloaders who are counting on profiting from all the hard work and care I’ve put in raising children.

    • Replies: @Altai

    As a genXer, I’m afraid a lot of women of my generation are going to be an enormous burden on my kids and their peers. I’ve even begun to feel a bit resentful of the childless women my age because of this. If they chose to forego childrearing, they are freeloaders who are counting on profiting from all the hard work and care I’ve put in raising children.
     
    A bit harsh, their theoretical children would also be competition for yours, we live in a capitalist society not an Amish one.
  42. @Reg Cæsar
    "Madge"-- not Palmolive's-- shares her views on age and patriarchy:

    Madonna at 60: Still Blaming the Patriarchy

    Money bray: “...further proof that the N.Y.T is one of the founding fathers of the Patriarchy.”

    You heard it, from the immaterial girl herself.

    ‘The Patriarchy.’ Is that what she calls her many baby daddies?

  43. @Reg Cæsar
    "Madge"-- not Palmolive's-- shares her views on age and patriarchy:

    Madonna at 60: Still Blaming the Patriarchy

    Money bray: “...further proof that the N.Y.T is one of the founding fathers of the Patriarchy.”

    You heard it, from the immaterial girl herself.

    ‘The Patriarchy.’ Is that what she calls her many baby daddies?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    She only has two, athletic trainer Carlos Leon and British film director Guy Ritchie. She was married to the latter.

    Leon parlayed inseminating Madonna into a modest film career of his own. He is said, as is consistent with Madge's known predilections, to be seriously bejingled. However, he has had the good taste to stay out of adult films.
  44. @Daniel Williams
    I have a delightful, beautiful and decidedly non-vicious wife, but if I had the choice between scoring some nice tail up into my forties and then living a peaceful and quiet late life “alone”, or being legally tied to some horrific hag who hides her self-loathing under the title of feminism, well, there is plenty of good wine to drink, good music to listen to, and good books to read.

    I disagree. I’m thirty-nine. I’ve fucked scores of women, beatiful and otherwise, and I assure you that I would trade the collective experience in a heartbeat for a living heir.

    Books and music gradually become meaningless. They are the excreta of some other souls—the meaningless output of other isolated nobodies trying to make sense of their time in this prison of flesh. They can illuminate or entertain, sure, but compared to the actual reproduction of your human flesh, the fulfillment of your line and genetic destiny, it is all masturbation. You read Plato, sure, and feel elevated; and then you die.

    Wine keeps giving though. I’ll yive you that much.

    Ah – perhaps I am not clear.

    I have two wonderful adult children so hopefully I have at least minimally extended my line.

    I was just comparing a life of epicurean pleasure to anchoring myself to one of these intolerable anti-patriarchal harridans – if they want to take themselves out of the long term game, god bless them!

    I am glad that I found a good and normative woman to join with to further our line. But if I had to mix my seed with one of these anti-human witches and then spend 4-5 decades listening to her daily inane ramblings, I’d rather read the books, listen to the music, drink the wine.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
    Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.

    Counterinsurgency
  45. @Kronos
    Many 1960s women missed the biological window to have children. Now, they’re in the “misery loves company” mode.

    Remember, most women are bad at making big decisions. But are very good at rationalizing those decisions afterwords.

    Remember, most women are bad at making big decisions. But are very good at rationalizing those decisions afterwords.

    To rationalize is part of our survival kit – all neurotic defense mechanisms are. That’s how we get along, not least socially: By neglecting, lying, avoiding, downplaying etc. etc. – all kinds of truths. Truth is a sharp edged thing. Women understand that perfectly well and don’t care too much therefor.

    (I think, that Raymond Chandler would have agreed).

    Result: Women usually get along better than men do. Life is unfair – not least to nerds…

    Btw. I didn’t know this bonmot by Carl Schmidt, one of the more eminent figures in European (?) history of the mind of the 20th century, who greatly influenced (amongst others) Leo Straus: “Only a person who has had such big troubles to decide for himself could have come up with a Theory of Decesiveness****.” (My translation).

    **** saying that politics is less about being right than about knowing that things have to be done. Politics thus for Schmitt is the acceptance of diverging interests and vital (=unavoidable) conflict between nations/states. Thus the importance of the enemy for politics. – For Derrida, Schmitt was interesting, because Schmitt too in his eyes, had a knack for the other/ otherness as a structural necessity of our existence.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    I had a very special example in mind...

    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/bb8547d329a604a33c6bc9ee4d8b3e2c85fa0bcb/0_143_4869_2923/master/4869.jpg?width=1200&height=630&quality=85&auto=format&fit=crop&overlay-align=bottom%2Cleft&overlay-width=100p&overlay-base64=L2ltZy9zdGF0aWMvb3ZlcmxheXMvdGctZGVmYXVsdC5wbmc&s=02d81c96e68e239cb5509a3860304bc1
    , @Kronos
    I had a very special example in mind...

    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/bb8547d329a604a33c6bc9ee4d8b3e2c85fa0bcb/0_143_4869_2923/master/4869.jpg?width=1200&height=630&quality=85&auto=format&fit=crop&overlay-align=bottom%2Cleft&overlay-width=100p&overlay-base64=L2ltZy9zdGF0aWMvb3ZlcmxheXMvdGctZGVmYXVsdC5wbmc&s=02d81c96e68e239cb5509a3860304bc1
    , @JMcG
    Dieter, you know I think highly of you, but I’ve never heard anyone seriously assert that women get along better than do men.
  46. @bomag

    ...there are far worse things than dying alone...
     
    And there are far better things; like having a support network of friends and family; but such things don't seem to register with feminists.

    But, they got the sisterhood.

    After contemplation, (both from the “Rational Male” and Vox Day’s SJW series) there aren’t too many male exclusive organizations anymore.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/therationalmale.com/2014/06/03/male-space/amp/

    Sisterhoods (like male gangs) can be socially addicting. The exclusiveness can be addicting within itself. “Sorry, no blanks allowed.”

    I find it a travesty for MANkind, but the feminists at least have something to rely on in old age. If your all by yourself (with no friends and/or family.) the hospital is going to take advantage of you.

  47. It’s very difficult to know wich part of white is Jewish in Ivies despite them giving so much information on other matters ….

    Contrary to black people, it seems impossible to get data on Jewish SAT : what proportion of 80k Jews take the test, what are their scores, what’s the Jewish Ivy score, whats the Jewish legacy average score ?

    Then we would also know what is the white non Jewish non athlete non legacy score ? This bird represents 95% of whites in the SAT population. What’s their SAT average in Ivies ? If they represent 10% of Ivy class while being 70% of test takers, I hope at least that it is far higher than any other group .

  48. Misery sure loves company. This article is a perfect example of how women deliberately sabotage their fellow women, and too many women are too stupid to see through it. I was heartily sick of the single career life and my own company by my late twenties. Sure it was fun and exciting the first few years after college but it quickly became boringly repetitive. To be brutally honest, and not to my credit, one of the first thoughts that crossed my mind after my husband proposed was relief that I wasn’t going to die alone.

    I have two spinster SILs, one GenX, one millennial, not because they’re ball-busting feminists but because they were too timid to really go out into the world on their own. My in-laws didn’t do their parental duty (selfishly imo) and boot the birds out of the nest, but let them live at home, despite them having the means to live on their own, until they got too old to easily find a mate. It’s a shame because I think they would prefer being married and having children but they were too emotionally comfy at home to make the effort to meet someone. Loneliness can be a very powerful motivator.

    • Replies: @Thea
    I hear ya.

    I believe boomers couldn’t fully understand the nuclear wrecking ball that hit our social and mating world. They grew up when people who knew each other and got along just got married. They couldn’t understand how different the world was for the next generation. It’s as if they were blind to the new sexual reality.

    , @Dave2
    Don't evict your daughters unless they're slutting up the house. If you want them out, find husbands for them. Surely there are some decent young straight men in your social circles.
  49. Anon[280] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Sure, but Keli Goff is a 40 year old, accomplished African American woman. This demographic is known to have trouble finding partners. They're the most extreme example of it. People who would collapse in a fit of the vapors if they ever came across iSteve know this, and lord knows everyone here knows it.

    This self-absorbed "journalist, playwright and screenwriter" probably has lots of fabulous friends with whom she may imbibe Thug Passions, and take turns testifying about their strength, intelligence, independence, uncompromising standards...

    But there are millions of hermits in America, living among us. Not as fabulous as Keli, of course. Most older, of course. No family, no partner, few acquaintances, little social engagement of any kind. Loneliness is endemic in the West, even in cities. And it's gotten worse ever since we got all these new friends from every corner of the earth who speak different languages we don't understand, because diversity is our greatest strength, and by 'our' I mean the Marxists who want to destroy Western social cohesion: the family, the nation, monogamy, regional loyalties of any kind, religion, and on.

    This is what normal people are afraid of, Keli. 'Dying alone,' of course, but isolation and loneliness make life hardly worth living. No wonder so many people kill themselves with opiates. Prisoners in solitary confinement have a higher suicide rate, too.

    At 40 Keli is at the age where she has realized that she is not going to get married and have kids. The ovaries are dried out, and she no longer draws the male gaze as consistently as before when out and about. To think anything other than that being alone is good would provoke unbearable cognitive dissonance.

    On the other hand, she has not yet reached the age where health problems start to pop up while at the same time freelance writing and pundit job prospects start to fade, as a new upcoming generation cancels her generation.

    So she is in the “dying alone is fine” uncanny valley.

    The most heartfelt articles by female journalists tend to be exhortations that the relationship and reproductive state that she currently finds herself in is the ideal, the end of the arc of history, and that Come the Revolution, this will be recognized by all.

    • Agree: BB753, Jim Don Bob
  50. @Dieter Kief

    Remember, most women are bad at making big decisions. But are very good at rationalizing those decisions afterwords.
     
    To rationalize is part of our survival kit - all neurotic defense mechanisms are. That's how we get along, not least socially: By neglecting, lying, avoiding, downplaying etc. etc. - all kinds of truths. Truth is a sharp edged thing. Women understand that perfectly well and don't care too much therefor.

    (I think, that Raymond Chandler would have agreed).

    Result: Women usually get along better than men do. Life is unfair - not least to nerds...

    Btw. I didn't know this bonmot by Carl Schmidt, one of the more eminent figures in European (?) history of the mind of the 20th century, who greatly influenced (amongst others) Leo Straus: "Only a person who has had such big troubles to decide for himself could have come up with a Theory of Decesiveness****." (My translation).

    **** saying that politics is less about being right than about knowing that things have to be done. Politics thus for Schmitt is the acceptance of diverging interests and vital (=unavoidable) conflict between nations/states. Thus the importance of the enemy for politics. - For Derrida, Schmitt was interesting, because Schmitt too in his eyes, had a knack for the other/ otherness as a structural necessity of our existence.
  51. @PiltdownMan
    The Guardian picked the most cheerful possible picture to accompany that article.

    Slate had a disturbing article on the topic.
    http://tinyurl.com/y5qu69h8

    There are YouTube videos that are easily found, on the increasing incidence of lonely deaths in Japan. It is a fate best avoided, and not embraced, as the young and foolish Keli Goff suggests.

    That there are enough for a full on profession of ‘liquidators’ to have emerged to clean up the mess and odor from bodies lying undisturbed for weeks or months is truly disturbing. I wonder if there is another economic niche in reporting this history to potential renters and buyers of these places.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    I vaguely recall a report of a tort case in which the estate of a deceased upstairs neighbour in a swanky London block of flats was sued (unsuccessfully) for damages caused by the leaking body fluids which migrated down through the various layers into the downstairs flat.

    When they film it as “Home Alone: To Infinity And Beyond” remember me.
    , @donvonburg
    The house can usually be saved but most of the stuff in it has to go. All wood furniture or furniture worth reupholstering is savable, stuff in other rooms may be okay depending on airflow. Often times the rotted body is accompanied by significant hoarding and clothes long piled on the floor condemn both the clothes and the carpet even without a dead body in it. If the body was on the floor the floor will probably have to be cut out and patched.

    Depending on the housing market, and the location of the house, even a savable house will often simply be demolished so the buyers can build an entirely new structure to their liking in a desirable subdivision or neighborhood with, ahem, good schools. So the value of the raw ground can actually go up a little, because to buy into an existing desirable community usually one is stuck with the existing houses. Otherwise one would not be permitted to demolish the house, but this usually is an approvable pretext, and if not a mysterious fire usually breaks out, just enough to smoke damage and bring out the FD and its hoses. Every "we buy houses" guy knows a guy who knows a guy who is a pro torch and knows all the tricks to leave no definite evidence. Squirrels with a taste for insulation, spontaneous combustion from linseed oil on certain cloths, whatever.

    Our church has had several people whose parents, aunts or uncles, whatever, have suffered this fate. It happens more and more. It isn't always old people either. There was a case in my neighborhood where a woman in her early fifties died in her sleep-they think sleep apnea heart attack, but can't be sure-and being a divorced empty nester, her daughter came home from her college graduation after not hearing from Mom for over a month. They were not on the best terms, but she assumed Mom would show up or at least call. She opened the door and promptly vomited from the stench: they later figured the mother had been dead roughly a month. They completely gutted and cyanide gassed the house, not even trying to save her impressive library and some fine furniture.

    Later neighbors were queried and admitted that they'd had the occasional whiff of something funky smelling from the house and found it odd her car hadn't moved in a long while, but no one said anything to authorities. These weren't people who didn't call cops, they were white suburbanites who would have but just didn't think that it was significant.

    Some of these deaths are natural, some are suicides, occasionally foul play is involved but when dealing with a sufficiently rotted corpse, it's hard to tell and although forensic anthropology is a thing, it's time and money not usually spent without definite indicators.

    The most repulsive cases are where the single homeowner dies in the swimming pool and is not found for a long time. After a week or so much of the chlorine evaporates off and the water decay really sets in. It's worse than a floater in the lake or river because the pool gets saturated with the putrescent gases and even hardened death professionals tend to barf working these cases.
    , @anon
    That there are enough for a full on profession of ‘liquidators’

    Not unique to Japan, those companies exist in the US as well. Florida, for example. Arizona for another example. It's a necessary job, like running a mortuary.
  52. @Dieter Kief

    Remember, most women are bad at making big decisions. But are very good at rationalizing those decisions afterwords.
     
    To rationalize is part of our survival kit - all neurotic defense mechanisms are. That's how we get along, not least socially: By neglecting, lying, avoiding, downplaying etc. etc. - all kinds of truths. Truth is a sharp edged thing. Women understand that perfectly well and don't care too much therefor.

    (I think, that Raymond Chandler would have agreed).

    Result: Women usually get along better than men do. Life is unfair - not least to nerds...

    Btw. I didn't know this bonmot by Carl Schmidt, one of the more eminent figures in European (?) history of the mind of the 20th century, who greatly influenced (amongst others) Leo Straus: "Only a person who has had such big troubles to decide for himself could have come up with a Theory of Decesiveness****." (My translation).

    **** saying that politics is less about being right than about knowing that things have to be done. Politics thus for Schmitt is the acceptance of diverging interests and vital (=unavoidable) conflict between nations/states. Thus the importance of the enemy for politics. - For Derrida, Schmitt was interesting, because Schmitt too in his eyes, had a knack for the other/ otherness as a structural necessity of our existence.
  53. @Bubba

    For years, feminist writer Linda Hirshman courted controversy by advising that marriage, unless to an exceptional man, is often a ‘bad bargain’ for women.
     
    Well, there are some things (like Linda Hirshman) you can't cover up with lipstick and powder.

    After all, "feminism" is only mindless "Girls Talk."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi9vFk9-7eU

    Thanks for that. I hadn’t heard it in a while and had forgotten about it. I remember walking out of the university library the day before a mid-term exam c. 1979, and stumbling upon Rockpile playing in the quad outside. For some reason, even though Dave Edmunds and Nick Lowe were big on college radio those days, the crowd was thin that day. I watched him and Nick Lowe from the edge of the stage, which was about two feet high. A real treat.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I saw Rockpile with Dave Edmunds and Nick Lowe open for Van Morrison in Houston in 1979-80. It sounds like a great show, and Rockpile played really well, but their acoustics were terrible. Back then, it wasn't a good bet to expect the opening band to sound good because if the they got to town late, the headliner monopolized the sound check. When I put my fingers in my ears, I could hear that Rockpile was playing superbly, but they sounded awful because they didn't have time to adjust for the new hall. Van Morrison sounded good, but he's not a generous performer. He mostly just stood there with a sour look on his face. On the other hand, he just played one good song after another:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Van_Morrison_songs

    , @Bubba
    I'm not a jealous person, but I am jealous that you got to see them and were right there. :-)

    Still amazed that Nick Lowe was married to Carlene Carter whose mother is June Carter Cash.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    I saw Rockpile in a small club in Houston in the late 70s and they were great. I never understood why they didn't hit it big.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpWCS-iFeDg
  54. @Bill P
    I am acquainted with a lot of white proles. The old, lonely women are the most miserable among them. They also consume an enormous amount of welfare/healthcare benefits.

    The old ones with family around are much healthier and more active, and they don't moan and complain nearly as much. They also are more likely to still be gainfully employed, despite often providing a lot of childcare to grandkids.

    If this were my sole frame of reference, I'd chalk it up to needy, lazy and unpleasant people being generally repellent, and therefore lonely. However, I have not seen this tendency among the local abuelitas, despite it being unfortunately common among white prole women. Because I know from experience that Mexicans are not actually more industrious and cheerful by nature, I figure there must be some deep cultural dysfunction afflicting American women.

    As a genXer, I'm afraid a lot of women of my generation are going to be an enormous burden on my kids and their peers. I've even begun to feel a bit resentful of the childless women my age because of this. If they chose to forego childrearing, they are freeloaders who are counting on profiting from all the hard work and care I've put in raising children.

    As a genXer, I’m afraid a lot of women of my generation are going to be an enormous burden on my kids and their peers. I’ve even begun to feel a bit resentful of the childless women my age because of this. If they chose to forego childrearing, they are freeloaders who are counting on profiting from all the hard work and care I’ve put in raising children.

    A bit harsh, their theoretical children would also be competition for yours, we live in a capitalist society not an Amish one.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency

    A bit harsh, their theoretical children would also be competition for yours, we live in a capitalist society not an Amish one.
     
    We live in a society that (a) has division of labor, and needs competent people, and (b) has sizeable populations of people with IQ in the 85-90 range, so half or so of them aren't competent enough to be productive in an industrial society.

    Their "theoretical children" would keep Altai's kids alive.

    Counterinsurgency
  55. @Andy
    Clicking on the article, not a great surprise to see the author is an African American woman (marriage rate among them, 26%). Dying alone is not that bad: rationalizing the inevitable

    For Black women the main thing is to die of natural causes.

  56. @Daniel Williams
    I have a delightful, beautiful and decidedly non-vicious wife, but if I had the choice between scoring some nice tail up into my forties and then living a peaceful and quiet late life “alone”, or being legally tied to some horrific hag who hides her self-loathing under the title of feminism, well, there is plenty of good wine to drink, good music to listen to, and good books to read.

    I disagree. I’m thirty-nine. I’ve fucked scores of women, beatiful and otherwise, and I assure you that I would trade the collective experience in a heartbeat for a living heir.

    Books and music gradually become meaningless. They are the excreta of some other souls—the meaningless output of other isolated nobodies trying to make sense of their time in this prison of flesh. They can illuminate or entertain, sure, but compared to the actual reproduction of your human flesh, the fulfillment of your line and genetic destiny, it is all masturbation. You read Plato, sure, and feel elevated; and then you die.

    Wine keeps giving though. I’ll yive you that much.

    Well, what’s holding you back? 39 is a bit late to start, but shouldn’t be a problem for a man in reasonably good health.

    Just avoid women with a history of screwing guys over and take the proper precautions with your property.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    That’s good advice. Around 70% of my old High School had divorced parents. I heard some crazy stories from them and their kids growing up in the 1980s and 1990s.

    I had a friend who’s mother married a medical doctor and eventually had an affair (and later remarried) his arch foe. One of the biggest medical malpractice lawyers in town. Who sued that doctor multiple times before and after the divorce. Her dad dropped her off three blocks away from the mother’s house during custody exchanges.


    http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-473-488-90/63/6322/G1A7100Z/posters/i-didn-t-marry-my-husband-for-his-money-i-divorced-him-for-it-funny-art-poster-print.jpg

    , @SFG
    Agree wholeheartedly, but how do you recognize such women ahead of time?

    Also, while a man can indeed 'date down' in age, this requires being successful and/or attractive. Tarantino can marry a woman 20 years his junior...but he is also a famously wealthy and famous director. Your average office drone is going to have a lot less luck.
  57. @ConfirmationBias
    😂

    Ok I’m done laughing. For actual credible research, the Harvard longtitudinal study pretty much validated that people in happy long-term relationships live longest and well, then comes those who are happy but single (but there’s a big drop off between the first group and second), and the last group are people in unhappy relationships. If I’m not mistaken, it’s not just length but also quality of life, including some correlation (not sure of causality) with dementia and mental health (ie being in happy relationships is correlated with improved mental health and lower instances of dementia and Alzheimer’s etc). The same findings have been verified via other studies as well, including those by the Gottman Institute, which does some good research on couples and long-standing relationships.

    This author... From what google tells me is 40years old and still single (unmarried at any case), so maybe this is her trying to reassure herself that she’s not going to turn into a mentally unstable and lonely old woman? Sometimes we want to believe something so badly we are blinded to facts to the contrary. The sad part in all this is that there’s probably going to be thousands of comments from thousands of single women all over the world, experiencing the same fears, reinforcing this idiocy because it’s a more palatable lie than the hard-truth of research. And then soon fiction becomes fact.

    “From what google tells me is 40 years old and still single (unmarried at any case), so maybe this is her trying to reassure herself that she’s not going to turn into a mentally unstable and lonely old woman? “

    Do you have the English phrase “making a virtue of necessity” on your side of the pond?

    • Replies: @ConfirmationBias
    Haha no we don’t 😃 but now I had to look it up and... well 🙂
  58. Sam Coulton [AKA "S.S.M Coulton"] says:
    @Mr. Anon

    There is no end of ways White women are the natural and eternal enemy of White men.
     
    No, but obviously there is no end of ways that White women are the natural and eternal enemy of the pathetic nebbish known as "Whiskey".

    Just LOL @ this cuck “Mr.” Anon.

  59. @Altai
    That there are enough for a full on profession of 'liquidators' to have emerged to clean up the mess and odor from bodies lying undisturbed for weeks or months is truly disturbing. I wonder if there is another economic niche in reporting this history to potential renters and buyers of these places.

    I vaguely recall a report of a tort case in which the estate of a deceased upstairs neighbour in a swanky London block of flats was sued (unsuccessfully) for damages caused by the leaking body fluids which migrated down through the various layers into the downstairs flat.

    When they film it as “Home Alone: To Infinity And Beyond” remember me.

  60. @Daniel Williams
    I have a delightful, beautiful and decidedly non-vicious wife, but if I had the choice between scoring some nice tail up into my forties and then living a peaceful and quiet late life “alone”, or being legally tied to some horrific hag who hides her self-loathing under the title of feminism, well, there is plenty of good wine to drink, good music to listen to, and good books to read.

    I disagree. I’m thirty-nine. I’ve fucked scores of women, beatiful and otherwise, and I assure you that I would trade the collective experience in a heartbeat for a living heir.

    Books and music gradually become meaningless. They are the excreta of some other souls—the meaningless output of other isolated nobodies trying to make sense of their time in this prison of flesh. They can illuminate or entertain, sure, but compared to the actual reproduction of your human flesh, the fulfillment of your line and genetic destiny, it is all masturbation. You read Plato, sure, and feel elevated; and then you die.

    Wine keeps giving though. I’ll yive you that much.

    At 39 you should be in pole position to pick and choose from the early 30’s ‘epiphany’ crowd with incipient baby rabies. Caveat emptor, of course.

    Are there any non-indoctrinated women out there between 25-33 though?

    (Sometimes it’s not healthy to read the Guardian or any social media too much – you get the impression all young women have mental issues of one kind or another, and there must be some sane ones)

    “Wine keeps giving though.”

    Wine AND women are a time-honoured combination.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency

    there must be some sane ones
     
    Finding a sane woman is as difficult as finding a sane man.

    Counterinsurgency
    , @Corvinus
    "Are there any non-indoctrinated women out there between 25-33 though?"

    Assuming that this group is indeed indoctrinated. The fact of the matter is that there is a plethora of "sane" men and women today who make their own decisions about dating and mating, much to the chagrin of certain men, who in response play up the "men are now second class citizens" and "that's why we can't have nice things" and "women ruin everything" triad of outrage.

    , @anon
    Are there any non-indoctrinated women out there between 25-33 though?

    Yes, but one has to know what to look for, and how to manage them.
    The first leadership task a man has is himself.
  61. @Bill P
    Well, what's holding you back? 39 is a bit late to start, but shouldn't be a problem for a man in reasonably good health.

    Just avoid women with a history of screwing guys over and take the proper precautions with your property.

    That’s good advice. Around 70% of my old High School had divorced parents. I heard some crazy stories from them and their kids growing up in the 1980s and 1990s.

    I had a friend who’s mother married a medical doctor and eventually had an affair (and later remarried) his arch foe. One of the biggest medical malpractice lawyers in town. Who sued that doctor multiple times before and after the divorce. Her dad dropped her off three blocks away from the mother’s house during custody exchanges.

    • Replies: @Altai
    In Iceland it was the tradition until very recently to just get married and have children young with the understanding that this would lead to a lot of divorces but was better than the alternative.
  62. @Kronos
    That’s good advice. Around 70% of my old High School had divorced parents. I heard some crazy stories from them and their kids growing up in the 1980s and 1990s.

    I had a friend who’s mother married a medical doctor and eventually had an affair (and later remarried) his arch foe. One of the biggest medical malpractice lawyers in town. Who sued that doctor multiple times before and after the divorce. Her dad dropped her off three blocks away from the mother’s house during custody exchanges.


    http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-473-488-90/63/6322/G1A7100Z/posters/i-didn-t-marry-my-husband-for-his-money-i-divorced-him-for-it-funny-art-poster-print.jpg

    In Iceland it was the tradition until very recently to just get married and have children young with the understanding that this would lead to a lot of divorces but was better than the alternative.

  63. “She said she bought into society’s deafening message that being with a man – any man – is better than being alone, and certainly better than dying alone, which is allegedly the worst fate anyone, especially any woman, can suffer.”

    Oh, nonsense. Unless this was a shotgun wedding, and by her own admission it was not, she doesn;t have a penny or a quid to stand on —

    And furthermore, maybe she isn’t the right one. Maybe she was the total problem, maybe her tendency to avoid responsibility is something she practiced in her marriage — leaving all the blame to him . .

    Her suggestion about who was right for whom and its all society’s fault – doesn’t wash.

    Society presses people to marry as well it should — for stability of self and growth of community are natural and healthy ambitions — the fact she turned out to an utter headcase is not society’s fault. Walking into a marriage expecting someone to be right for you as opposed to you being right for them is escapist nonsense. Your unwilling to sacrifice does not the commuty at large fault make.

  64. @Daniel Williams
    Fuck, man. I’m not trying to be an asshole, but surely you see that yours is precisely the same argument as the feminist harridan’s, just in reverse?

    Yes, white women today are gross. Honestly, they’re fucking disgusting. No one would touch one without an insurance policy and a booster shot. But they’re OUR women. They’re what we got. We can’t make additional whites without them.

    You win, by getting married, by having a human woman by your side, producing your children, supporting you in whatever pathetic way she can (given the circumstances) while you try to do better by the next round of souls to inhabit this miserable rock.

    There is no other alternative. Dying alone to prove some kind of point only benefits the Jews. Yes, our white women are repulsive whores; but without us, who will steward them out of this behavior? We cannot reproduce without them. It is literally impossible.

    Yes, our white women are repulsive whores; but without us, who will steward them out of this behavior? We cannot reproduce without them. It is literally impossible.

    And sometimes they’re so badly hurt that they’re just nonfunctional, can’t be stewarded out of it. Women have a high degree of Agreeableness, but unfortunately it’s to society in general and other women in particular as opposed to men in general and their husband in particular. If society tells them to, a surprising fraction of women will go full bore Medea [1] or Clytemnestra [2] on a man who has done nothing except be away at work too many hours a week, or (less severe case) destroy anything in the family that the woman doesn’t like.

    This suggests that the real culprit in this is “society”. If men want functional women, people who will actually look out for their own welfare and that of their children, men will have to re-make society so that it tells women to do that. As it is now, “dying alone” like Medea or Clytemnestra (who did leave descendants, suicidal ones) is the ultimate praiseworthy goal for women, who are told that this will deliver the ideal husband to them, or at least a rewarding life [3, 4]. The actual women I’ve seen who tried this do not seem happy with themselves, and in some cases are so wrapped up in pretending that everything has worked out well that they appear mildly psychotic.

    The above lie is horribly cruel, and should be treated as such. Society must be changed until the lie is no longer told [6].

    As Daniel Williams points out, there isn’t really any alternative save, perhaps, extinction.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://www.ancient-literature.com/greece_euripides_medea.html

    2] https://www.greekmythology.com/Myths/Mortals/Clytemnestra/clytemnestra.html

    3] Shell Silverstein quote:
    Tell kids: ‘Ernie is the giant who lives in the ceiling. If you throw an egg at the ceiling and yell ‘Catch, Ernie’, then Ernie will reach down an catch the egg!”
    Or, as they saying goes,
    “You’ll never know until you try it, and after that it’s too late.”

    4] Mammalian brains change after menarche, and again after giving birth [5]. In a way, not marrying is a way to preserve the woman’s present mind, which may not look forward to being transformed into a mind preoccupied by keeping its baby alive.

    5] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pregnancy-causes-lasting-changes-in-a-womans-brain/
    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/01/what-happens-to-a-womans-brain-when-she-becomes-a-mother/384179/

    6] Historically, ending this lie has been accomplished by ending the security and prosperity that made women able to believe it. Once it’s obvious that men are fighting for their lives and a bit malnourished to boot, women tend to value the men a bit more. If everything else fails and things get that bad, the lie goes away. One would hope there was some other way to do it.

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton

    As Daniel Williams points out, there isn’t really any alternative save, perhaps, extinction
     
    Ha ha, nice try, as if the obvious solution of nonwhite women wasn't floating over your head.
    , @Thea
    The men and women of every time and place get exactly the women and men they deserve. If the women are thus, someone taught them to be that way.

    Cowardliness is the male analog insult to female sluttiness. It’s a harsh pill to accept as an American woman that yes we have this awful deficiency but American men better look in the mirror to see how this happened. Brits are the same, see Rotterham- caused by the combination of cowardly men and slutty women.

    We are threads on a tapestry woven together not atomized strings blowing in the wind.

    Women are this way because men are that way. Bringing a perfect Russian women here won’t stop your daughters from becoming ordinary American girls.

    , @anon
    If men want functional women, people who will actually look out for their own welfare and that of their children, men will have to re-make society so that it tells women to do that

    Lol.

    "If you want to have more than one date with a woman, go and remake society from top to bottom" is ridiculous. A man doesn't have to remake society, he has to remake himself and be prepared to remake one (1) woman. He might have to turn over a lot of rocks to find her.
    , @Corvinus
    "If society tells them to, a surprising fraction of women will go full bore Medea [1] or Clytemnestra [2] on a man who has done nothing except be away at work too many hours a week, or (less severe case) destroy anything in the family that the woman doesn’t like."

    That's not what really happens.

    "If men want functional women, people who will actually look out for their own welfare and that of their children, men will have to re-make society so that it tells women to do that."

    Actually, today's women are functional, and men have made a society where they generally prefer women as they are now.
  65. @Altai

    As a genXer, I’m afraid a lot of women of my generation are going to be an enormous burden on my kids and their peers. I’ve even begun to feel a bit resentful of the childless women my age because of this. If they chose to forego childrearing, they are freeloaders who are counting on profiting from all the hard work and care I’ve put in raising children.
     
    A bit harsh, their theoretical children would also be competition for yours, we live in a capitalist society not an Amish one.

    A bit harsh, their theoretical children would also be competition for yours, we live in a capitalist society not an Amish one.

    We live in a society that (a) has division of labor, and needs competent people, and (b) has sizeable populations of people with IQ in the 85-90 range, so half or so of them aren’t competent enough to be productive in an industrial society.

    Their “theoretical children” would keep Altai’s kids alive.

    Counterinsurgency

  66. @Daniel Williams
    I have a delightful, beautiful and decidedly non-vicious wife, but if I had the choice between scoring some nice tail up into my forties and then living a peaceful and quiet late life “alone”, or being legally tied to some horrific hag who hides her self-loathing under the title of feminism, well, there is plenty of good wine to drink, good music to listen to, and good books to read.

    I disagree. I’m thirty-nine. I’ve fucked scores of women, beatiful and otherwise, and I assure you that I would trade the collective experience in a heartbeat for a living heir.

    Books and music gradually become meaningless. They are the excreta of some other souls—the meaningless output of other isolated nobodies trying to make sense of their time in this prison of flesh. They can illuminate or entertain, sure, but compared to the actual reproduction of your human flesh, the fulfillment of your line and genetic destiny, it is all masturbation. You read Plato, sure, and feel elevated; and then you die.

    Wine keeps giving though. I’ll yive you that much.

    …the actual reproduction of your human flesh, the fulfillment of your line and genetic destiny…

    People who think like this leave me absolutely baffled. It is narcissism beyond the limits of human endurance to consider it so meaningful to reproduce a series of self-hybrids in which your own genetic material plays an exponentially-diminishing role.

    Plus, that phrase is creepy as fuck.

    It’s not like there’s some magic involved: all you need to do is squirt a load into a receptive female of the same species. It’s not like it’s a demonstration of rare and particular skill: think of the dumbest poorest least-educated meth-addict raggedy-ass white trash you can think of… and realise that reproduction is such a trivial doing, that they can do it too..

    You’re taking a very short term view, bro: in another twenty generations nobody will give a fuck about the most famous real people from history (e.g., Hitler, Stalin, Black Panther [lol couldn’t resist]) or the mythical ones (Thor, Hercules, Samson, Moses, Jesus, Spider-man).

    The probability that any of your line does anything of lasting note (something that makes their name known, 100 years after their birth, outside a circle of 100 people) between now and the heat-death of the universe, is staggeringly low.

    And that’s not meant to be a slight on you personally: that’s just how shit is. And any descendant more than 2 degrees of Kevin Bacon from you (e.g., a great-grandkid) is such a crap-shoot that you’re as likely to detest them, as embrace them as a member of your family. Descendants will make decisions you don’t like – even while you’re around to object: as far as furnishing genuine utility and happiness to you personally, it’s a wash.

    The universe is ~14 billion years old; this planet, ~4 billion years old. Humans qua species ~500k years old.

    And you think that something in your genetic mishmash is worth preserving – so much so that it has a “destiny“?

    That’s fucking preposterous. I’m an unapologetically self-centred elitist, and I understand – and have really, deeply internalised – that in the genuine long run, nothing anybody does matters.

    It matters locally (i.e., within one’s own life), but thinking you can can look into the seeds of time, and say which grain will grow and which will not is unmitigated hubris bordering on mental illness.

    The idea of living into a decrepit old age is repugnant to me – I would off myself if I became degeneratively infirm. If a cure was found the next day, so what? I would have some minuscule amount of time left in the gap between the two voids (void ①: the billions of years that passed before I was born; void ②: the billions of years that will pass after I die).

    That said, I’m also a techno-utopian, so virtualising and extending the gap between the voids by a couple of hundred million years might be interesting (but only locally).

    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon, Cloudbuster
    • Replies: @Bob
    Science would disagree with you kratoklastes. It’s in our DNA to reproduce.
    , @SFG
    It is narcissism beyond the limits of human endurance to consider it so meaningful to reproduce a series of self-hybrids in which your own genetic material plays an exponentially-diminishing role.

    I'd argue it's narcissism encompassing much of the human norm, as most people throughout history have done it.
    , @Thea
    Naval-gazing Nihilism like this got us into this mess.
    , @Liza
    The comforts you have today are the result of your ancestors "squirt[ing] a load", then supporting and raising these children.
    , @Cloudbuster
    Nihilistic garbsge like you just posted is the death knell of civilization.
    , @AnotherDad

    The probability that any of your line does anything of lasting note (something that makes their name known, 100 years after their birth, outside a circle of 100 people) between now and the heat-death of the universe, is staggeringly low.
     
    For a "techno" anything, your mathematical analysis here is strikingly poor.

    The actual probability--assuming your line does not relatively quickly die out--is, of course, 1. It's an absolute certainty.
    , @Daniel Williams

    blah blah blah
     
    Great stuff, thanks. Definitely something to think about.
  67. @YetAnotherAnon
    At 39 you should be in pole position to pick and choose from the early 30's 'epiphany' crowd with incipient baby rabies. Caveat emptor, of course.

    Are there any non-indoctrinated women out there between 25-33 though?

    (Sometimes it's not healthy to read the Guardian or any social media too much - you get the impression all young women have mental issues of one kind or another, and there must be some sane ones)

    "Wine keeps giving though."

    Wine AND women are a time-honoured combination.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W77Kwh6f0TE

    there must be some sane ones

    Finding a sane woman is as difficult as finding a sane man.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @Richard P

    Finding a sane woman is as difficult
     
    It most certainly is. 4/5 of the most recent women that I've dated were attractive and averaged to be 10 years younger. Nonetheless, they all had significant issues that eliminated them as potential long-term relationships.
    , @Dave
    Better to try and have failed than to never have tried at all!
    , @The Alarmist

    Finding a sane woman is as difficult as finding a sane man.
     
    It's all up to what you value ....


    https://shamelesspride.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/hot-crazy2.jpg

  68. @prosa123
    If published obituaries are to be believed, most people are surrounded by their families when they die. Sure. Especially in nursing home deaths, which must be close to half of all deaths, I doubt that's usually the case.

    Oh, a suprising number of nursing home and hospice deaths are surrounded by family. Especially the ones who never visited before, and are waiting to sue the facility for allowing their 89-year-old, multiple organs failing relative to just die.

  69. @Laurence Whelk
    Ah - perhaps I am not clear.

    I have two wonderful adult children so hopefully I have at least minimally extended my line.

    I was just comparing a life of epicurean pleasure to anchoring myself to one of these intolerable anti-patriarchal harridans - if they want to take themselves out of the long term game, god bless them!

    I am glad that I found a good and normative woman to join with to further our line. But if I had to mix my seed with one of these anti-human witches and then spend 4-5 decades listening to her daily inane ramblings, I’d rather read the books, listen to the music, drink the wine.

    Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.

    Counterinsurgency

  70. @Lot
    ChineseWomenDate.com

    https://www.chinesewomendate.com/004/join/register07/P756777.jpg

    I think she’d rather die single than date Whiskey. I know I would if I was a chick.

  71. @Altai
    That there are enough for a full on profession of 'liquidators' to have emerged to clean up the mess and odor from bodies lying undisturbed for weeks or months is truly disturbing. I wonder if there is another economic niche in reporting this history to potential renters and buyers of these places.

    The house can usually be saved but most of the stuff in it has to go. All wood furniture or furniture worth reupholstering is savable, stuff in other rooms may be okay depending on airflow. Often times the rotted body is accompanied by significant hoarding and clothes long piled on the floor condemn both the clothes and the carpet even without a dead body in it. If the body was on the floor the floor will probably have to be cut out and patched.

    Depending on the housing market, and the location of the house, even a savable house will often simply be demolished so the buyers can build an entirely new structure to their liking in a desirable subdivision or neighborhood with, ahem, good schools. So the value of the raw ground can actually go up a little, because to buy into an existing desirable community usually one is stuck with the existing houses. Otherwise one would not be permitted to demolish the house, but this usually is an approvable pretext, and if not a mysterious fire usually breaks out, just enough to smoke damage and bring out the FD and its hoses. Every “we buy houses” guy knows a guy who knows a guy who is a pro torch and knows all the tricks to leave no definite evidence. Squirrels with a taste for insulation, spontaneous combustion from linseed oil on certain cloths, whatever.

    Our church has had several people whose parents, aunts or uncles, whatever, have suffered this fate. It happens more and more. It isn’t always old people either. There was a case in my neighborhood where a woman in her early fifties died in her sleep-they think sleep apnea heart attack, but can’t be sure-and being a divorced empty nester, her daughter came home from her college graduation after not hearing from Mom for over a month. They were not on the best terms, but she assumed Mom would show up or at least call. She opened the door and promptly vomited from the stench: they later figured the mother had been dead roughly a month. They completely gutted and cyanide gassed the house, not even trying to save her impressive library and some fine furniture.

    Later neighbors were queried and admitted that they’d had the occasional whiff of something funky smelling from the house and found it odd her car hadn’t moved in a long while, but no one said anything to authorities. These weren’t people who didn’t call cops, they were white suburbanites who would have but just didn’t think that it was significant.

    Some of these deaths are natural, some are suicides, occasionally foul play is involved but when dealing with a sufficiently rotted corpse, it’s hard to tell and although forensic anthropology is a thing, it’s time and money not usually spent without definite indicators.

    The most repulsive cases are where the single homeowner dies in the swimming pool and is not found for a long time. After a week or so much of the chlorine evaporates off and the water decay really sets in. It’s worse than a floater in the lake or river because the pool gets saturated with the putrescent gases and even hardened death professionals tend to barf working these cases.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    A Certain Kind of Death (2003) is a documentary about people who died alone.

    https://youtu.be/ErooOhzE268
    , @black sea
    Well, you've certainly got me rethinking the veracity of "A Rose for Miss Emily."
    , @Anonymous

    All wood furniture or furniture worth reupholstering is savable,
     
    An aside, I lived in an apartment that had a door which had a cooling board inset into it. I wound up keeping the door (long story, landlord absconded, city got property, et al) and made a Telecaster body out of one piece and gave the rest to someone else who did similarly. Solid 100+ year old wood of some kind or another, sounded great.

    No idea if the cooling board was ever used for its intended purpose.
    , @Anonymous
    Not OT:


    When You Die, I’ll Be There to Take Your Stuff

    I spend my days clearing every last thing from homes of the recently deceased and soon-to-be-departed. The only thing odder is entertaining the cast of characters who swoop in to buy it all up

     

    https://narratively.com/when-you-die-ill-be-there-to-take-your-stuff/

    (Special feature; talks about Jews and Nazi Stuff, as an aside. ) Author was "raised Jewish". It is interesting.
  72. @YetAnotherAnon
    "From what google tells me is 40 years old and still single (unmarried at any case), so maybe this is her trying to reassure herself that she’s not going to turn into a mentally unstable and lonely old woman? "

    Do you have the English phrase "making a virtue of necessity" on your side of the pond?

    Haha no we don’t 😃 but now I had to look it up and… well 🙂

  73. Most women survive their men anyway, thus they can have it both ways: marry and nevertheless die alone. Where’s the problem?

    • Agree: Dtbb
  74. If your only reason for getting married is to avoid dying alone, then you shouldn’t be getting married.

    And you shouldn’t be breeding, either.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "If your only reason for getting married is to avoid dying alone, then you shouldn’t be getting married.
    And you shouldn’t be breeding, either."

    Thanks, Fascist.
  75. @PiltdownMan
    Thanks for that. I hadn't heard it in a while and had forgotten about it. I remember walking out of the university library the day before a mid-term exam c. 1979, and stumbling upon Rockpile playing in the quad outside. For some reason, even though Dave Edmunds and Nick Lowe were big on college radio those days, the crowd was thin that day. I watched him and Nick Lowe from the edge of the stage, which was about two feet high. A real treat.

    I saw Rockpile with Dave Edmunds and Nick Lowe open for Van Morrison in Houston in 1979-80. It sounds like a great show, and Rockpile played really well, but their acoustics were terrible. Back then, it wasn’t a good bet to expect the opening band to sound good because if the they got to town late, the headliner monopolized the sound check. When I put my fingers in my ears, I could hear that Rockpile was playing superbly, but they sounded awful because they didn’t have time to adjust for the new hall. Van Morrison sounded good, but he’s not a generous performer. He mostly just stood there with a sour look on his face. On the other hand, he just played one good song after another:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Van_Morrison_songs

  76. Most women won’t die with their significant other in attendance, because men tend to die earlier.

    My grandmother, for example, is a solitary type, happy with her novels and crosswords most days.
    However, a while ago I told her that lots of my high school friends had opted against children, and she just raised her eyebrows, smiled a little, and said: “Boy, will they regret that.”

  77. @Daniel Williams
    Fuck, man. I’m not trying to be an asshole, but surely you see that yours is precisely the same argument as the feminist harridan’s, just in reverse?

    Yes, white women today are gross. Honestly, they’re fucking disgusting. No one would touch one without an insurance policy and a booster shot. But they’re OUR women. They’re what we got. We can’t make additional whites without them.

    You win, by getting married, by having a human woman by your side, producing your children, supporting you in whatever pathetic way she can (given the circumstances) while you try to do better by the next round of souls to inhabit this miserable rock.

    There is no other alternative. Dying alone to prove some kind of point only benefits the Jews. Yes, our white women are repulsive whores; but without us, who will steward them out of this behavior? We cannot reproduce without them. It is literally impossible.

    You should test your own advice personally and let us all know how wonderful it turns out for you.

    We’ll be especially curious to know what, if any visitation rights you are granted by the court and where the judge sets your alimony and child support payments.

  78. @Daniel Williams
    Fuck, man. I’m not trying to be an asshole, but surely you see that yours is precisely the same argument as the feminist harridan’s, just in reverse?

    Yes, white women today are gross. Honestly, they’re fucking disgusting. No one would touch one without an insurance policy and a booster shot. But they’re OUR women. They’re what we got. We can’t make additional whites without them.

    You win, by getting married, by having a human woman by your side, producing your children, supporting you in whatever pathetic way she can (given the circumstances) while you try to do better by the next round of souls to inhabit this miserable rock.

    There is no other alternative. Dying alone to prove some kind of point only benefits the Jews. Yes, our white women are repulsive whores; but without us, who will steward them out of this behavior? We cannot reproduce without them. It is literally impossible.

    But they’re OUR women. They’re what we got.

    Wrong. We got much better options (they don’t).

    We cannot reproduce without them. It is literally impossible.

    Wrong.

    • Replies: @Thea
    If you can’t keep your own women in line you won’t be able to keep foreign ones in line either. So you bring your foreign bride to America, you get American kids. And likely your wife will a adopt American ways.

    Until Western men grow a backbone and retake the reigns of society, it’s going to be crappy.
  79. @Counterinsurgency

    Yes, our white women are repulsive whores; but without us, who will steward them out of this behavior? We cannot reproduce without them. It is literally impossible.
     
    And sometimes they're so badly hurt that they're just nonfunctional, can't be stewarded out of it. Women have a high degree of Agreeableness, but unfortunately it's to society in general and other women in particular as opposed to men in general and their husband in particular. If society tells them to, a surprising fraction of women will go full bore Medea [1] or Clytemnestra [2] on a man who has done nothing except be away at work too many hours a week, or (less severe case) destroy anything in the family that the woman doesn't like.

    This suggests that the real culprit in this is "society". If men want functional women, people who will actually look out for their own welfare and that of their children, men will have to re-make society so that it tells women to do that. As it is now, "dying alone" like Medea or Clytemnestra (who did leave descendants, suicidal ones) is the ultimate praiseworthy goal for women, who are told that this will deliver the ideal husband to them, or at least a rewarding life [3, 4]. The actual women I've seen who tried this do not seem happy with themselves, and in some cases are so wrapped up in pretending that everything has worked out well that they appear mildly psychotic.

    The above lie is horribly cruel, and should be treated as such. Society must be changed until the lie is no longer told [6].

    As Daniel Williams points out, there isn't really any alternative save, perhaps, extinction.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://www.ancient-literature.com/greece_euripides_medea.html

    2] https://www.greekmythology.com/Myths/Mortals/Clytemnestra/clytemnestra.html

    3] Shell Silverstein quote:
    Tell kids: 'Ernie is the giant who lives in the ceiling. If you throw an egg at the ceiling and yell 'Catch, Ernie', then Ernie will reach down an catch the egg!"
    Or, as they saying goes,
    "You'll never know until you try it, and after that it's too late."

    4] Mammalian brains change after menarche, and again after giving birth [5]. In a way, not marrying is a way to preserve the woman's present mind, which may not look forward to being transformed into a mind preoccupied by keeping its baby alive.

    5] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pregnancy-causes-lasting-changes-in-a-womans-brain/
    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/01/what-happens-to-a-womans-brain-when-she-becomes-a-mother/384179/

    6] Historically, ending this lie has been accomplished by ending the security and prosperity that made women able to believe it. Once it's obvious that men are fighting for their lives and a bit malnourished to boot, women tend to value the men a bit more. If everything else fails and things get that bad, the lie goes away. One would hope there was some other way to do it.

    As Daniel Williams points out, there isn’t really any alternative save, perhaps, extinction

    Ha ha, nice try, as if the obvious solution of nonwhite women wasn’t floating over your head.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
    Didn't work out the last few times I've seen it tried.

    Counterinsurgency
  80. Unhappy/lonely people spend a lot more time criticizing others and wanting to boss them around than people who are content. It’s not an accident that a significant part of the progressive base are single women who want society re-engineered for their benefit. They don’t care about the long term consequences either, since they generally don’t have kids that are going to have to live in the wreckage of what they create.

    • Replies: @SFG
    I'd modify that: unhappy/lonely people who think they know better spend a lot more time criticizing others and wanting to boss them around.

    Those of us who know we made the wrong choice...well, you don't hear from us. ;)

    I suspect there's a correlation between what you describe and going into journalism. Verbal IQ and neuroticism. Everyone else is moving on with their lives. Sampling bias, you might say.

    I otherwise agree entirely with your statement.
  81. With the exception of cougars, most women die alone. The idea of marrying for the sake of not dying alone has been a lie since men started marrying women younger than them, and dying at an younger age. Only Melania would be stupid enough to believe otherwise.

    • Replies: @anon
    My Mom & Dad had their ups and downs but never had gross fights, never spent a day apart from each other until Mom went into hospice, the combination of strokes & dementia making it impossible for her to recognize us, feed herself, etc.

    My Dad visited her every day, told her how beautiful she was, kissed her and caressed her hair, her hands. He loved her and she loved him until the day she died -- and beyond. She was 85.

    Dad died a few months later, in an assisted care setting, after a (silly but successful) major surgery. He was 84. He did not "die of loneliness." He was in assisted care for about 3 months and everybody in the place loved him -- he made it his business to know and befriend each person in his orb.

    Apparently Mz. whateverhernameiz doesn't think there are men or women or relationships like that any more, and maybe there are not.
    But there can be if each one of us decides to make the same kind of effort my parents did.
  82. @Daniel Williams
    Fuck, man. I’m not trying to be an asshole, but surely you see that yours is precisely the same argument as the feminist harridan’s, just in reverse?

    Yes, white women today are gross. Honestly, they’re fucking disgusting. No one would touch one without an insurance policy and a booster shot. But they’re OUR women. They’re what we got. We can’t make additional whites without them.

    You win, by getting married, by having a human woman by your side, producing your children, supporting you in whatever pathetic way she can (given the circumstances) while you try to do better by the next round of souls to inhabit this miserable rock.

    There is no other alternative. Dying alone to prove some kind of point only benefits the Jews. Yes, our white women are repulsive whores; but without us, who will steward them out of this behavior? We cannot reproduce without them. It is literally impossible.

    Good response.

    Let’s extend stewardship to help our homegrown workforce instead of importing foreigners.

  83. “Guardian: the Joy of Owning the Patriarchy by Dying Alone”

    The reality is that there remains a subset of the population who embraces this “patriarchy”, so whenever these types of articles by grrl pwr, inc. pop up, the usual anger and bitterness arises from said group. Of course, grrll pwr, inc. also suffers from the same type of resentment and derangement as their foes, the patriarchs, when they make the claim of “I go alone”. Basically, it is the MGTOW way co-opted by extreme feminists. The fact is both group are outliers, but the media, both “mainstream” and “alternative”, play it up as being a “us versus them” donnybrook that plays out continually in American boardrooms and bedrooms.

    We normies have bigger fish to fry. But, by all means Mr. Sailer, continue with your outrage.

    • Replies: @epochehusserl
    Can anyone point to anything positive that Corvinus has written on this website? Does anyone feel that Corvinus has contributed anything?
  84. Anonymous[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel Williams
    Fuck, man. I’m not trying to be an asshole, but surely you see that yours is precisely the same argument as the feminist harridan’s, just in reverse?

    Yes, white women today are gross. Honestly, they’re fucking disgusting. No one would touch one without an insurance policy and a booster shot. But they’re OUR women. They’re what we got. We can’t make additional whites without them.

    You win, by getting married, by having a human woman by your side, producing your children, supporting you in whatever pathetic way she can (given the circumstances) while you try to do better by the next round of souls to inhabit this miserable rock.

    There is no other alternative. Dying alone to prove some kind of point only benefits the Jews. Yes, our white women are repulsive whores; but without us, who will steward them out of this behavior? We cannot reproduce without them. It is literally impossible.

    You win, by getting married, by having a human woman by your side, producing your children, supporting you in whatever pathetic way she can (given the circumstances) while you try to do better by the next round of souls to inhabit this miserable rock.

    There is no other alternative. Dying alone to prove some kind of point only benefits the Jews. Yes, our white women are repulsive whores; but without us, who will steward them out of this behavior? We cannot reproduce without them. It is literally impossible.

    Come on, there are no longer anti-miscegenation laws. Go for a quality-made import who can give you high-IQ offspring.

    On looks alone Derb’s wife is easily an 8.5. For her age probably a 9. Look at Derb. Even with Ron Unz’s money he could only hope to land a 7.0 white woman who when she reaches the age of 50 becomes a 6.0 nag on a good day.

    To any young white man the advice is simple. Go East you man.

    [This comment:
    Imprimatur/nihil obstat: Whiskey]

    • Replies: @eagles
    Derb's wife grew up in dirt-poor 80s China .

    He had the advantage of being able to offer her American citizenship
    , @James Braxton
    8.5? Maybe you meant 5.8?
  85. @Stebbing Heuer
    If your only reason for getting married is to avoid dying alone, then you shouldn't be getting married.

    And you shouldn't be breeding, either.

    “If your only reason for getting married is to avoid dying alone, then you shouldn’t be getting married.
    And you shouldn’t be breeding, either.”

    Thanks, Fascist.

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
    How is that observation Fascist?
  86. @YetAnotherAnon
    At 39 you should be in pole position to pick and choose from the early 30's 'epiphany' crowd with incipient baby rabies. Caveat emptor, of course.

    Are there any non-indoctrinated women out there between 25-33 though?

    (Sometimes it's not healthy to read the Guardian or any social media too much - you get the impression all young women have mental issues of one kind or another, and there must be some sane ones)

    "Wine keeps giving though."

    Wine AND women are a time-honoured combination.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W77Kwh6f0TE

    “Are there any non-indoctrinated women out there between 25-33 though?”

    Assuming that this group is indeed indoctrinated. The fact of the matter is that there is a plethora of “sane” men and women today who make their own decisions about dating and mating, much to the chagrin of certain men, who in response play up the “men are now second class citizens” and “that’s why we can’t have nice things” and “women ruin everything” triad of outrage.

  87. @Daniel Williams
    Fuck, man. I’m not trying to be an asshole, but surely you see that yours is precisely the same argument as the feminist harridan’s, just in reverse?

    Yes, white women today are gross. Honestly, they’re fucking disgusting. No one would touch one without an insurance policy and a booster shot. But they’re OUR women. They’re what we got. We can’t make additional whites without them.

    You win, by getting married, by having a human woman by your side, producing your children, supporting you in whatever pathetic way she can (given the circumstances) while you try to do better by the next round of souls to inhabit this miserable rock.

    There is no other alternative. Dying alone to prove some kind of point only benefits the Jews. Yes, our white women are repulsive whores; but without us, who will steward them out of this behavior? We cannot reproduce without them. It is literally impossible.

    Don’t get me wrong, I only mean that about these feminist types, I definitely do think the majority of women are like that (which I may be wrong about) but the irony comes from the fact the group of people that has the least to offer are the ones implying that they should withhold themselves. I think the worst part of the authors mindset, and the modern gender/feminist studied courses, is that they absolutely ruin women that may have had a shot at a normal life otherwise.

    You’re definitely right that we need to take responsibility for our own. All things are give and take, I do hope that both the Western man and woman can redeem themselves, jointly.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams

    All things are give and take, I do hope that both the Western man and woman can redeem themselves, jointly.
     
    Now that I am no longer blind drunk, I can more coherently agree with you about that. White women’s problems are also our problems as white men; we’re connected like the heads side of a coin to the tails.
  88. @Kratoklastes

    ...the actual reproduction of your human flesh, the fulfillment of your line and genetic destiny...
     
    People who think like this leave me absolutely baffled. It is narcissism beyond the limits of human endurance to consider it so meaningful to reproduce a series of self-hybrids in which your own genetic material plays an exponentially-diminishing role.

    Plus, that phrase is creepy as fuck.

    It's not like there's some magic involved: all you need to do is squirt a load into a receptive female of the same species. It's not like it's a demonstration of rare and particular skill: think of the dumbest poorest least-educated meth-addict raggedy-ass white trash you can think of... and realise that reproduction is such a trivial doing, that they can do it too..

    You're taking a very short term view, bro: in another twenty generations nobody will give a fuck about the most famous real people from history (e.g., Hitler, Stalin, Black Panther [lol couldn't resist]) or the mythical ones (Thor, Hercules, Samson, Moses, Jesus, Spider-man).

    The probability that any of your line does anything of lasting note (something that makes their name known, 100 years after their birth, outside a circle of 100 people) between now and the heat-death of the universe, is staggeringly low.

    And that's not meant to be a slight on you personally: that's just how shit is. And any descendant more than 2 degrees of Kevin Bacon from you (e.g., a great-grandkid) is such a crap-shoot that you're as likely to detest them, as embrace them as a member of your family. Descendants will make decisions you don't like - even while you're around to object: as far as furnishing genuine utility and happiness to you personally, it's a wash.

    The universe is ~14 billion years old; this planet, ~4 billion years old. Humans qua species ~500k years old.

    And you think that something in your genetic mishmash is worth preserving - so much so that it has a "destiny"?

    That's fucking preposterous. I'm an unapologetically self-centred elitist, and I understand - and have really, deeply internalised - that in the genuine long run, nothing anybody does matters.

    It matters locally (i.e., within one's own life), but thinking you can can look into the seeds of time, and say which grain will grow and which will not is unmitigated hubris bordering on mental illness.

    The idea of living into a decrepit old age is repugnant to me - I would off myself if I became degeneratively infirm. If a cure was found the next day, so what? I would have some minuscule amount of time left in the gap between the two voids (void ①: the billions of years that passed before I was born; void ②: the billions of years that will pass after I die).

    That said, I'm also a techno-utopian, so virtualising and extending the gap between the voids by a couple of hundred million years might be interesting (but only locally).

    Science would disagree with you kratoklastes. It’s in our DNA to reproduce.

  89. @Counterinsurgency

    Yes, our white women are repulsive whores; but without us, who will steward them out of this behavior? We cannot reproduce without them. It is literally impossible.
     
    And sometimes they're so badly hurt that they're just nonfunctional, can't be stewarded out of it. Women have a high degree of Agreeableness, but unfortunately it's to society in general and other women in particular as opposed to men in general and their husband in particular. If society tells them to, a surprising fraction of women will go full bore Medea [1] or Clytemnestra [2] on a man who has done nothing except be away at work too many hours a week, or (less severe case) destroy anything in the family that the woman doesn't like.

    This suggests that the real culprit in this is "society". If men want functional women, people who will actually look out for their own welfare and that of their children, men will have to re-make society so that it tells women to do that. As it is now, "dying alone" like Medea or Clytemnestra (who did leave descendants, suicidal ones) is the ultimate praiseworthy goal for women, who are told that this will deliver the ideal husband to them, or at least a rewarding life [3, 4]. The actual women I've seen who tried this do not seem happy with themselves, and in some cases are so wrapped up in pretending that everything has worked out well that they appear mildly psychotic.

    The above lie is horribly cruel, and should be treated as such. Society must be changed until the lie is no longer told [6].

    As Daniel Williams points out, there isn't really any alternative save, perhaps, extinction.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://www.ancient-literature.com/greece_euripides_medea.html

    2] https://www.greekmythology.com/Myths/Mortals/Clytemnestra/clytemnestra.html

    3] Shell Silverstein quote:
    Tell kids: 'Ernie is the giant who lives in the ceiling. If you throw an egg at the ceiling and yell 'Catch, Ernie', then Ernie will reach down an catch the egg!"
    Or, as they saying goes,
    "You'll never know until you try it, and after that it's too late."

    4] Mammalian brains change after menarche, and again after giving birth [5]. In a way, not marrying is a way to preserve the woman's present mind, which may not look forward to being transformed into a mind preoccupied by keeping its baby alive.

    5] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pregnancy-causes-lasting-changes-in-a-womans-brain/
    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/01/what-happens-to-a-womans-brain-when-she-becomes-a-mother/384179/

    6] Historically, ending this lie has been accomplished by ending the security and prosperity that made women able to believe it. Once it's obvious that men are fighting for their lives and a bit malnourished to boot, women tend to value the men a bit more. If everything else fails and things get that bad, the lie goes away. One would hope there was some other way to do it.

    The men and women of every time and place get exactly the women and men they deserve. If the women are thus, someone taught them to be that way.

    Cowardliness is the male analog insult to female sluttiness. It’s a harsh pill to accept as an American woman that yes we have this awful deficiency but American men better look in the mirror to see how this happened. Brits are the same, see Rotterham- caused by the combination of cowardly men and slutty women.

    We are threads on a tapestry woven together not atomized strings blowing in the wind.

    Women are this way because men are that way. Bringing a perfect Russian women here won’t stop your daughters from becoming ordinary American girls.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
    Thea

    We seem to be making the same point, although in different ways.

    Counterinsurgency
  90. @donvonburg
    The house can usually be saved but most of the stuff in it has to go. All wood furniture or furniture worth reupholstering is savable, stuff in other rooms may be okay depending on airflow. Often times the rotted body is accompanied by significant hoarding and clothes long piled on the floor condemn both the clothes and the carpet even without a dead body in it. If the body was on the floor the floor will probably have to be cut out and patched.

    Depending on the housing market, and the location of the house, even a savable house will often simply be demolished so the buyers can build an entirely new structure to their liking in a desirable subdivision or neighborhood with, ahem, good schools. So the value of the raw ground can actually go up a little, because to buy into an existing desirable community usually one is stuck with the existing houses. Otherwise one would not be permitted to demolish the house, but this usually is an approvable pretext, and if not a mysterious fire usually breaks out, just enough to smoke damage and bring out the FD and its hoses. Every "we buy houses" guy knows a guy who knows a guy who is a pro torch and knows all the tricks to leave no definite evidence. Squirrels with a taste for insulation, spontaneous combustion from linseed oil on certain cloths, whatever.

    Our church has had several people whose parents, aunts or uncles, whatever, have suffered this fate. It happens more and more. It isn't always old people either. There was a case in my neighborhood where a woman in her early fifties died in her sleep-they think sleep apnea heart attack, but can't be sure-and being a divorced empty nester, her daughter came home from her college graduation after not hearing from Mom for over a month. They were not on the best terms, but she assumed Mom would show up or at least call. She opened the door and promptly vomited from the stench: they later figured the mother had been dead roughly a month. They completely gutted and cyanide gassed the house, not even trying to save her impressive library and some fine furniture.

    Later neighbors were queried and admitted that they'd had the occasional whiff of something funky smelling from the house and found it odd her car hadn't moved in a long while, but no one said anything to authorities. These weren't people who didn't call cops, they were white suburbanites who would have but just didn't think that it was significant.

    Some of these deaths are natural, some are suicides, occasionally foul play is involved but when dealing with a sufficiently rotted corpse, it's hard to tell and although forensic anthropology is a thing, it's time and money not usually spent without definite indicators.

    The most repulsive cases are where the single homeowner dies in the swimming pool and is not found for a long time. After a week or so much of the chlorine evaporates off and the water decay really sets in. It's worse than a floater in the lake or river because the pool gets saturated with the putrescent gases and even hardened death professionals tend to barf working these cases.

    A Certain Kind of Death (2003) is a documentary about people who died alone.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I've seen that documentary (I've seen a lot of documentaries) and it is indeed a good one.
  91. “Data confirms more women have realized there are far worse things than dying alone, which is bad news for the patriarchy.”

    Taken in context with what I believe her point to be, the above statement is a non sequitur.

    Keli Goff:

    • Agree: Dtbb
    • Replies: @anon
    Thanks for the image. Perhaps she was holding out for her own Stedman Graham and he did not show up. This explains the article as an extended rationalization of her situation.
  92. @Tusk
    "that marriage, unless to an exceptional man, is often a ‘bad bargain’ for women."

    What makes women so exceptional that the average layman wins by getting married? Considering the droves of tattooed, uncouth, and extremely in debt (PhD's in Gender Studies don't come cheap!) women don't seem to have their lives together it seems like an economic loss to get involved with such types. What is the benefit? What do they provide me, or anyone, besides economic incentives (if they get a job) and relations, these people don't want to reproduce, they want to live in tiny cuckshed houses, pittbulls as pets, probably spend all their time protesting, won't cook, won't do any household chores, what is the point.

    Men alone are architects and builders of society. Women simply live in your creation. Consider who the powerful men ruining our civilization are and how and why they did it.

    Feminism is simply women acting up and begging men to take a firm hand.

    • Replies: @anon
    Men alone are architects and builders of society. Women simply live in your creation. Consider who the powerful men ruining our civilization are and how and why they did it.

    White Knights are the natural allies of bad women. Joe Biden is one example.

    Feminism is simply women acting up and begging men to take a firm hand.

    Writing from experience?
  93. Steve,

    I’ll see your Nick Lowe and raise you Robbie Fulks and his warning on hitting the wall alone:

    “With her drop-dead looks and her little girl charm
    Everybody thought she’d go far
    And at 20 years old she was rich as could be
    And a world-famed Hollywood star

    With the big parts coming
    And the sweethearts, too
    Life was a hell of a ride
    But her star soon fell and her body got old
    So she took a lot of pills and died”

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  94. @Kratoklastes

    ...the actual reproduction of your human flesh, the fulfillment of your line and genetic destiny...
     
    People who think like this leave me absolutely baffled. It is narcissism beyond the limits of human endurance to consider it so meaningful to reproduce a series of self-hybrids in which your own genetic material plays an exponentially-diminishing role.

    Plus, that phrase is creepy as fuck.

    It's not like there's some magic involved: all you need to do is squirt a load into a receptive female of the same species. It's not like it's a demonstration of rare and particular skill: think of the dumbest poorest least-educated meth-addict raggedy-ass white trash you can think of... and realise that reproduction is such a trivial doing, that they can do it too..

    You're taking a very short term view, bro: in another twenty generations nobody will give a fuck about the most famous real people from history (e.g., Hitler, Stalin, Black Panther [lol couldn't resist]) or the mythical ones (Thor, Hercules, Samson, Moses, Jesus, Spider-man).

    The probability that any of your line does anything of lasting note (something that makes their name known, 100 years after their birth, outside a circle of 100 people) between now and the heat-death of the universe, is staggeringly low.

    And that's not meant to be a slight on you personally: that's just how shit is. And any descendant more than 2 degrees of Kevin Bacon from you (e.g., a great-grandkid) is such a crap-shoot that you're as likely to detest them, as embrace them as a member of your family. Descendants will make decisions you don't like - even while you're around to object: as far as furnishing genuine utility and happiness to you personally, it's a wash.

    The universe is ~14 billion years old; this planet, ~4 billion years old. Humans qua species ~500k years old.

    And you think that something in your genetic mishmash is worth preserving - so much so that it has a "destiny"?

    That's fucking preposterous. I'm an unapologetically self-centred elitist, and I understand - and have really, deeply internalised - that in the genuine long run, nothing anybody does matters.

    It matters locally (i.e., within one's own life), but thinking you can can look into the seeds of time, and say which grain will grow and which will not is unmitigated hubris bordering on mental illness.

    The idea of living into a decrepit old age is repugnant to me - I would off myself if I became degeneratively infirm. If a cure was found the next day, so what? I would have some minuscule amount of time left in the gap between the two voids (void ①: the billions of years that passed before I was born; void ②: the billions of years that will pass after I die).

    That said, I'm also a techno-utopian, so virtualising and extending the gap between the voids by a couple of hundred million years might be interesting (but only locally).

    It is narcissism beyond the limits of human endurance to consider it so meaningful to reproduce a series of self-hybrids in which your own genetic material plays an exponentially-diminishing role.

    I’d argue it’s narcissism encompassing much of the human norm, as most people throughout history have done it.

  95. @Arclight
    Unhappy/lonely people spend a lot more time criticizing others and wanting to boss them around than people who are content. It's not an accident that a significant part of the progressive base are single women who want society re-engineered for their benefit. They don't care about the long term consequences either, since they generally don't have kids that are going to have to live in the wreckage of what they create.

    I’d modify that: unhappy/lonely people who think they know better spend a lot more time criticizing others and wanting to boss them around.

    Those of us who know we made the wrong choice…well, you don’t hear from us. 😉

    I suspect there’s a correlation between what you describe and going into journalism. Verbal IQ and neuroticism. Everyone else is moving on with their lives. Sampling bias, you might say.

    I otherwise agree entirely with your statement.

    • Agree: Thea
    • Replies: @Arclight
    I don't know - a lot of times people who are most vehement know they are wrong but feel they cannot back off of the ledge they have put themselves on.

    I do think you are right about journalism attracting people with high verbal IQ and neuroticism. I know several people who write for a living and have national platforms, and while definitely smart they generally they have their perspective and everything is funneled through that, and each of them have a somewhat nervous energy to them. They also seem a little unaware of how their personality/behavior sometimes leaves people scratching their heads a bit - they aren't autistic or Asperger people, but maybe live a bit inside their own heads more than the average person. I like each of them on a personal level, but with one exception they have definitely chosen a side (the left, of course) and I cannot think of an example of them writing something that goes against orthodoxy.
    , @AnotherDad
    Terrific stuff, SFG--you and Arclight.
  96. @Bill P
    Well, what's holding you back? 39 is a bit late to start, but shouldn't be a problem for a man in reasonably good health.

    Just avoid women with a history of screwing guys over and take the proper precautions with your property.

    Agree wholeheartedly, but how do you recognize such women ahead of time?

    Also, while a man can indeed ‘date down’ in age, this requires being successful and/or attractive. Tarantino can marry a woman 20 years his junior…but he is also a famously wealthy and famous director. Your average office drone is going to have a lot less luck.

    • Replies: @Dacian Julien Soros
    As a 50 year old office drone, you could marry a 25-year old janitor. A majority of the beautiful cashiers and waitresses would be delighted to stop licking the shoes of hundreds of customers, in exchange for licking those of their husband. (It goes without saying that, stupid as they might be, they will quickly find a way to stop working the till, and rarely will she be able to find something better. She knows it instinctively.)

    But you know you won't have any common grounds in chitchat or budget decisions, which means you know that you will separate soon. Divorce is the most common fate for marriages where the age difference is yuuge, but people like Tarantino or Trump are either:
    - idiots who don't know it
    - special granite stones (as opposed to special snowflakes) who think it won't happen to them, and, if it happens, pretend it never happened, they already forgot, it did not hurt them, the dog ate their marriage certificate, and so on
    - cucks who get some pleasure from Marla screwing the guards.

    The office drone is rarely one of the above.

    , @Bill P
    Women will usually tell you enough for you to figure it out, or else you can glean the facts from her circumstances. For example, if she claims she has been in abusive relationships, that is a big red flag. Why was the guy so angry at her? Did she attack him? Why does she like guys like that?

    If she's collecting child support, she's already screwed a guy over. Either she got pregnant by a guy who didn't want kids or she took away the children of a man who did. Those who are truly innocent in this regard (e.g. husband left for the hot secretary) are usually past their fertile years.

    As for dating down in age, only date down as much as you have to, and go to places where there are more women than men. Often, economically distressed areas have a high female to male ratio. Rural and exurban areas, for example. You'll find a lot more attractive women working menial jobs than you will in the big city. They aren't typically well-educated, but they aren't all dumb either. The trick is finding one who is a decent human being, and looks tell you nothing about this.

    Does she like to care for others? Is she industrious? Does she hold a job and save any of her earnings? The one advantage an older guy has is that he can use his life experience as a guide to evaluate these things. He should be wise in this regard, but unfortunately there are a lot of old fools out there.
    , @AnonAnon

    how do you recognize such women ahead of time?
     
    Ask her about her parents - are they still married and relatively happily? If so, she likely had role models of a healthy relationship and people who value staying together. Is her mom nuts, a ball buster, how does her mom treat her dad? How does she feel about her dad, brothers? Does she dress attractively but doesn't put everything on display? What are her friends like - are they decent, down to earth women or do they all have issues - birds of a feather flock together. Was she raised with a religion, is religious now? Does she take antidepressants, have "anxiety", lots of tattoos/piercings - stay away.

    I don't think older "office drones" would have trouble finding a somewhat younger women (20 years is gross). Be in decent-good shape (so much easier for men!), dress decently, have good hygiene, be funny, and be confident.

    And honestly, lower your standards on looks and look for someone you get along with. You're not Brad Pitt so you can't expect to bag an Angelina Jolie. The decent, shy chubby woman with a good personality, who makes the most of her looks who has to try harder to find a guy will make a nice wife and mother and can always lose weight (she will follow your lead) but a hot psycho chick can ruin your life.

  97. @Reg Cæsar

    advising that marriage, unless to an exceptional man, is often a ‘bad bargain’ for women.
     
    Gloria Steinem would agree.


    https://www.whosdatedwho.com/dating/mort-zuckerman

    http://img5.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/8/j/8j83qymrga8jgr8q.jpg?djet1p5k


    (Yes, Gloria was Christian Bale's stepmother.)


    Marie Prevost: Sticking it to the Patriarchy
     
    A close and dear relative was walking her dog along a creek when she suffered an epileptic fit, fell in, and drowned. She was found the next day, with her arm chewed up. Investigators determined that the dog had vainly tried to pull her to safety.

    Isn't the Marie Prevost case similar? Don't researchers now lean toward the belief that her pets were trying to revive her, not consume her?

    Coincidentally, the longest time I spent with this relative was on a family vacation when "Cruel to Be Kind" was all over the airwaves, and my stereo. Little did I know that decades hence I'd associate her death with another of Nick's songs.

    Yes, Gloria was Christian Bale’s stepmother

    I’m not sure why you felt the need to mention this, but since you did I would say that Gloria still is Christian’s stepmother.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I’m not sure why you felt the need to mention this...
     
    As an example of feminist hypergamy. She not only married a wealthy Brit, but one with a famous son. A twofer. Before that, she dated America's richest Canadian.

    This is the woman who came up with the (pretty accurate, but dead-in-the-water) phrase "success objects".


    but since you did I would say that Gloria still is Christian’s stepmother.
     
    But for how long?


    https://mediaproxy.salon.com/width/1200/height/900/https://media.salon.com/2019/03/gloria-steinem.jpg


    Here is a snarky line from the Telegraph, which I thought was above that sort of thing. Wolfe didn't have to "choose"; his suits were identical. The more variable Gay Talese would have been a better comparison, but as a haberdasher's son, he probably takes less than five minutes thought to be the best-dressed man in the land.

    Which is still more time than Gloria, perhaps.


    Her hair and nails received a level of attention that never came the way of her New York magazine colleague Tom Wolfe – though he must have spent more time choosing his outfits than Steinem ever did.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/authors/gloria-steinem-women-get-more-radical-with-age-men-get-more-cons/
     

  98. The one thing I do wonder: why don’t we see articles by men like this? I mean, I know why we don’t see them in the Guardian, but men seem a lot less concerned with this sort of thing. Maybe we’re used to the idea from reading all those stories about soldiers dying alone in battle or something? You don’t see childless men writing screeds justifying…well, there’s MGTOW I guess.

    The one thing I do have to admit is that dying happily married is better than dying alone…but if you get divorced you have to pay alimony and still die alone. So it might even be rational if you figure you don’t have enough chance of pulling the successful marriage thing off.

    • Replies: @ConfirmationBias
    Cuz men don’t write / talk to vent their feelings and seek affirmation and reassurance. Women do, and they give affirmations too. Men consider this whining and yak yak yak.

    Men I guess play basketball to blow off steam and then maybe grab a beer 🤔 women consider this as stonewalling or shutting down their emotions.

    , @Thea
    They aren’t given a platform but as you’ve noticed such articles exist in cyberspace.

    MGTOW is based on the exact same covetousness, bitterness and narcissism as feminism.
  99. @Cortes
    A visit to a high school teacher (widower, 82, sons overseas) hospitalised after a fall at home - located by police after concern expressed on his third day running no-show at the “local” (pub) - left no doubt that it’s not all showbiz and glamour pegging out alone. Here’s a cheery reminder for the author:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Cream_Cracker_under_the_Settee

    Please don’t use mobile links.

    Also, I find it amazing that someone was so attached to his bar that missing three days was enough for a welfare check.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    When a University of Chicago student died in his single-occupancy dorm room, it took eight days for his body to be found.

    April 14, 2014 (CHICAGO)

    The 20-year-old's body was found in his dorm room on February 15, days after he last used his key code to enter the school's International House dorm. Other dorm residents complained of a smell, which led officials to discover his decomposing body and raised concerns about why he wasn't reported as missing earlier.

    The original autopsy was inconclusive, but toxicology reports were released Monday. His cause of death was listed as ethanol toxicity and labeled an accident by the medical examiner.

    Barnes was from Pittsburgh. He was a third-year student at U of C.

    https://abc7chicago.com/archive/9503255/

     

    , @RadicalCenter
    It's kinda funny.

    But I think a lot of retired and unemployed people frequent the same coffeeshop or bar every day.
  100. @JimB
    Everyone makes decisions at 20 that they regret at 50, and admit to regretting at 70.

    That’s a pretty good nugget.

  101. @Daniel Williams
    Fuck, man. I’m not trying to be an asshole, but surely you see that yours is precisely the same argument as the feminist harridan’s, just in reverse?

    Yes, white women today are gross. Honestly, they’re fucking disgusting. No one would touch one without an insurance policy and a booster shot. But they’re OUR women. They’re what we got. We can’t make additional whites without them.

    You win, by getting married, by having a human woman by your side, producing your children, supporting you in whatever pathetic way she can (given the circumstances) while you try to do better by the next round of souls to inhabit this miserable rock.

    There is no other alternative. Dying alone to prove some kind of point only benefits the Jews. Yes, our white women are repulsive whores; but without us, who will steward them out of this behavior? We cannot reproduce without them. It is literally impossible.

    Three words dude:

    Venezuelan Refugee Bride.

    White enough.
    Hot enough.
    Pleasant enough.

    I am seriously tired of guys whining about marriage. Do you: have a decent job? Brush your teeth? Dress well? Talk without swearing? Have any ability whatsoever to take care of yourself in fight?
    Congratulations, you are quality marriage material. Act like it.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams

    Congratulations, you are quality marriage material. Act like it.
     
    Wow, thanks! Do you really think so?

    You should write an ebook, seriously; Ten Ways to WIN Her or something catchy. Get some of these incels to start washing their penises and stuff like that Canadian guy says.

    , @The Wild Geese Howard

    Do you: have a decent job? Brush your teeth? Dress well? Talk without swearing? Have any ability whatsoever to take care of yourself in fight?
     
    Oh please.

    I have all of this and more.

    I may as well be the Invisible Man.
  102. @SFG
    The one thing I do wonder: why don't we see articles by men like this? I mean, I know why we don't see them in the Guardian, but men seem a lot less concerned with this sort of thing. Maybe we're used to the idea from reading all those stories about soldiers dying alone in battle or something? You don't see childless men writing screeds justifying...well, there's MGTOW I guess.

    The one thing I do have to admit is that dying happily married is better than dying alone...but if you get divorced you have to pay alimony and still die alone. So it might even be rational if you figure you don't have enough chance of pulling the successful marriage thing off.

    Cuz men don’t write / talk to vent their feelings and seek affirmation and reassurance. Women do, and they give affirmations too. Men consider this whining and yak yak yak.

    Men I guess play basketball to blow off steam and then maybe grab a beer 🤔 women consider this as stonewalling or shutting down their emotions.

  103. The old expression for this is cutting off of your nose to spite your face.

    As for Marie Prevost, the east-coast solution to her dilemma is the Lillian Booth Actors Home in Englewood, New Jersey. The most recent famous person to die there was Earle Hyman, who played Bill Cosby’s father, but there have been dozens over the years.

  104. @Kratoklastes

    ...the actual reproduction of your human flesh, the fulfillment of your line and genetic destiny...
     
    People who think like this leave me absolutely baffled. It is narcissism beyond the limits of human endurance to consider it so meaningful to reproduce a series of self-hybrids in which your own genetic material plays an exponentially-diminishing role.

    Plus, that phrase is creepy as fuck.

    It's not like there's some magic involved: all you need to do is squirt a load into a receptive female of the same species. It's not like it's a demonstration of rare and particular skill: think of the dumbest poorest least-educated meth-addict raggedy-ass white trash you can think of... and realise that reproduction is such a trivial doing, that they can do it too..

    You're taking a very short term view, bro: in another twenty generations nobody will give a fuck about the most famous real people from history (e.g., Hitler, Stalin, Black Panther [lol couldn't resist]) or the mythical ones (Thor, Hercules, Samson, Moses, Jesus, Spider-man).

    The probability that any of your line does anything of lasting note (something that makes their name known, 100 years after their birth, outside a circle of 100 people) between now and the heat-death of the universe, is staggeringly low.

    And that's not meant to be a slight on you personally: that's just how shit is. And any descendant more than 2 degrees of Kevin Bacon from you (e.g., a great-grandkid) is such a crap-shoot that you're as likely to detest them, as embrace them as a member of your family. Descendants will make decisions you don't like - even while you're around to object: as far as furnishing genuine utility and happiness to you personally, it's a wash.

    The universe is ~14 billion years old; this planet, ~4 billion years old. Humans qua species ~500k years old.

    And you think that something in your genetic mishmash is worth preserving - so much so that it has a "destiny"?

    That's fucking preposterous. I'm an unapologetically self-centred elitist, and I understand - and have really, deeply internalised - that in the genuine long run, nothing anybody does matters.

    It matters locally (i.e., within one's own life), but thinking you can can look into the seeds of time, and say which grain will grow and which will not is unmitigated hubris bordering on mental illness.

    The idea of living into a decrepit old age is repugnant to me - I would off myself if I became degeneratively infirm. If a cure was found the next day, so what? I would have some minuscule amount of time left in the gap between the two voids (void ①: the billions of years that passed before I was born; void ②: the billions of years that will pass after I die).

    That said, I'm also a techno-utopian, so virtualising and extending the gap between the voids by a couple of hundred million years might be interesting (but only locally).

    Naval-gazing Nihilism like this got us into this mess.

  105. @SFG
    The one thing I do wonder: why don't we see articles by men like this? I mean, I know why we don't see them in the Guardian, but men seem a lot less concerned with this sort of thing. Maybe we're used to the idea from reading all those stories about soldiers dying alone in battle or something? You don't see childless men writing screeds justifying...well, there's MGTOW I guess.

    The one thing I do have to admit is that dying happily married is better than dying alone...but if you get divorced you have to pay alimony and still die alone. So it might even be rational if you figure you don't have enough chance of pulling the successful marriage thing off.

    They aren’t given a platform but as you’ve noticed such articles exist in cyberspace.

    MGTOW is based on the exact same covetousness, bitterness and narcissism as feminism.

  106. @Lot
    ChineseWomenDate.com

    https://www.chinesewomendate.com/004/join/register07/P756777.jpg

    Broken branch grandparents cry

  107. @ScarletNumber
    Please don't use mobile links.

    Also, I find it amazing that someone was so attached to his bar that missing three days was enough for a welfare check.

    When a University of Chicago student died in his single-occupancy dorm room, it took eight days for his body to be found.

    April 14, 2014 (CHICAGO)

    The 20-year-old’s body was found in his dorm room on February 15, days after he last used his key code to enter the school’s International House dorm. Other dorm residents complained of a smell, which led officials to discover his decomposing body and raised concerns about why he wasn’t reported as missing earlier.

    The original autopsy was inconclusive, but toxicology reports were released Monday. His cause of death was listed as ethanol toxicity and labeled an accident by the medical examiner.

    Barnes was from Pittsburgh. He was a third-year student at U of C.

    https://abc7chicago.com/archive/9503255/

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    First of all, where are his parents? Siblings? Any regular contact and concern??
  108. @Daniel Williams
    I have a delightful, beautiful and decidedly non-vicious wife, but if I had the choice between scoring some nice tail up into my forties and then living a peaceful and quiet late life “alone”, or being legally tied to some horrific hag who hides her self-loathing under the title of feminism, well, there is plenty of good wine to drink, good music to listen to, and good books to read.

    I disagree. I’m thirty-nine. I’ve fucked scores of women, beatiful and otherwise, and I assure you that I would trade the collective experience in a heartbeat for a living heir.

    Books and music gradually become meaningless. They are the excreta of some other souls—the meaningless output of other isolated nobodies trying to make sense of their time in this prison of flesh. They can illuminate or entertain, sure, but compared to the actual reproduction of your human flesh, the fulfillment of your line and genetic destiny, it is all masturbation. You read Plato, sure, and feel elevated; and then you die.

    Wine keeps giving though. I’ll yive you that much.

    At age 40, Anthony Stralow paid a white woman for eggs and paid brown women to incubate them. Got three adorable white kids with his DNA for about AU$40,000 apiece, a trifling sum compared to what his friends have lost in divorce court.

    We can write off a generation of white females if we have to.

    • Replies: @Random Smartaleck

    At age 40, Anthony Stralow paid a white woman for eggs and paid brown women to incubate them. Got three adorable white kids with his DNA for about AU$40,000 apiece, a trifling sum compared to what his friends have lost in divorce court.
     
    And his kids have no mother. What could possibly go wrong?
  109. @Counterinsurgency

    there must be some sane ones
     
    Finding a sane woman is as difficult as finding a sane man.

    Counterinsurgency

    Finding a sane woman is as difficult

    It most certainly is. 4/5 of the most recent women that I’ve dated were attractive and averaged to be 10 years younger. Nonetheless, they all had significant issues that eliminated them as potential long-term relationships.

  110. @Lot
    ChineseWomenDate.com

    https://www.chinesewomendate.com/004/join/register07/P756777.jpg

    Truth in advertising: When posting photos of Chinese cuties on a forum frequented by white men, you must include a picture of Elliot Rodger.

  111. @SFG
    I'd modify that: unhappy/lonely people who think they know better spend a lot more time criticizing others and wanting to boss them around.

    Those of us who know we made the wrong choice...well, you don't hear from us. ;)

    I suspect there's a correlation between what you describe and going into journalism. Verbal IQ and neuroticism. Everyone else is moving on with their lives. Sampling bias, you might say.

    I otherwise agree entirely with your statement.

    I don’t know – a lot of times people who are most vehement know they are wrong but feel they cannot back off of the ledge they have put themselves on.

    I do think you are right about journalism attracting people with high verbal IQ and neuroticism. I know several people who write for a living and have national platforms, and while definitely smart they generally they have their perspective and everything is funneled through that, and each of them have a somewhat nervous energy to them. They also seem a little unaware of how their personality/behavior sometimes leaves people scratching their heads a bit – they aren’t autistic or Asperger people, but maybe live a bit inside their own heads more than the average person. I like each of them on a personal level, but with one exception they have definitely chosen a side (the left, of course) and I cannot think of an example of them writing something that goes against orthodoxy.

    • Replies: @Thea
    like the law of diminishing returns. Gamblers always double down when they start to lose.
    , @Corvinus
    "I don’t know – a lot of times people who are most vehement know they are wrong but feel they cannot back off of the ledge they have put themselves on."

    Would you put yourself in that category? How about our esteemed blog host?

    "I know several people who write for a living and have national platforms..."

    Like who? Be specific.

    "I do think you are right about journalism attracting people with high verbal IQ and neuroticism."

    Including the authors at unz.com?

    "and while definitely smart they generally they have their perspective and everything is funneled through that, and each of them have a somewhat nervous energy to them."

    So in other words, confirmation bias plays a definitive role in how one crafts a narrative. Thanks for NOTICING.
  112. Dying without being married or shacked up (ie, either divorced or an old maid) is not necessarily dying alone. There’s more than a handful of single women adopting kids or manufacturing them thru unnatural reproductive technology. There’s a special spot in Hell for them, I hope. I know of such a woman, though I never knew her well. A good job, not lesbian, not bad looking, etc. etc. She just turns around and makes a baby without a man. S.M.H.

    However, there’s lot of woman-hating men out there, too. They also are dying alone, are they not. I know a few.

  113. @AnonAnon
    Misery sure loves company. This article is a perfect example of how women deliberately sabotage their fellow women, and too many women are too stupid to see through it. I was heartily sick of the single career life and my own company by my late twenties. Sure it was fun and exciting the first few years after college but it quickly became boringly repetitive. To be brutally honest, and not to my credit, one of the first thoughts that crossed my mind after my husband proposed was relief that I wasn’t going to die alone.

    I have two spinster SILs, one GenX, one millennial, not because they’re ball-busting feminists but because they were too timid to really go out into the world on their own. My in-laws didn’t do their parental duty (selfishly imo) and boot the birds out of the nest, but let them live at home, despite them having the means to live on their own, until they got too old to easily find a mate. It’s a shame because I think they would prefer being married and having children but they were too emotionally comfy at home to make the effort to meet someone. Loneliness can be a very powerful motivator.

    I hear ya.

    I believe boomers couldn’t fully understand the nuclear wrecking ball that hit our social and mating world. They grew up when people who knew each other and got along just got married. They couldn’t understand how different the world was for the next generation. It’s as if they were blind to the new sexual reality.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    Yes they can. No they didn't. Yes, they could. No it's not.
  114. @Arclight
    I don't know - a lot of times people who are most vehement know they are wrong but feel they cannot back off of the ledge they have put themselves on.

    I do think you are right about journalism attracting people with high verbal IQ and neuroticism. I know several people who write for a living and have national platforms, and while definitely smart they generally they have their perspective and everything is funneled through that, and each of them have a somewhat nervous energy to them. They also seem a little unaware of how their personality/behavior sometimes leaves people scratching their heads a bit - they aren't autistic or Asperger people, but maybe live a bit inside their own heads more than the average person. I like each of them on a personal level, but with one exception they have definitely chosen a side (the left, of course) and I cannot think of an example of them writing something that goes against orthodoxy.

    like the law of diminishing returns. Gamblers always double down when they start to lose.

  115. @Mr. Anon

    There is no end of ways White women are the natural and eternal enemy of White men.
     
    No, but obviously there is no end of ways that White women are the natural and eternal enemy of the pathetic nebbish known as "Whiskey".

    Referring to Hitschman. I don’t care about women’s choices except as it in aggregate informs policy. Like taking my car.

    I know who my enemies are as they tell me over and over : gays Blacks and suburban White women.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    I know who my enemies are................
     
    And I know who aren't my friends: fake Scotsmen, whose oft revealed interests clearly don't align with mine.
  116. @donvonburg
    The house can usually be saved but most of the stuff in it has to go. All wood furniture or furniture worth reupholstering is savable, stuff in other rooms may be okay depending on airflow. Often times the rotted body is accompanied by significant hoarding and clothes long piled on the floor condemn both the clothes and the carpet even without a dead body in it. If the body was on the floor the floor will probably have to be cut out and patched.

    Depending on the housing market, and the location of the house, even a savable house will often simply be demolished so the buyers can build an entirely new structure to their liking in a desirable subdivision or neighborhood with, ahem, good schools. So the value of the raw ground can actually go up a little, because to buy into an existing desirable community usually one is stuck with the existing houses. Otherwise one would not be permitted to demolish the house, but this usually is an approvable pretext, and if not a mysterious fire usually breaks out, just enough to smoke damage and bring out the FD and its hoses. Every "we buy houses" guy knows a guy who knows a guy who is a pro torch and knows all the tricks to leave no definite evidence. Squirrels with a taste for insulation, spontaneous combustion from linseed oil on certain cloths, whatever.

    Our church has had several people whose parents, aunts or uncles, whatever, have suffered this fate. It happens more and more. It isn't always old people either. There was a case in my neighborhood where a woman in her early fifties died in her sleep-they think sleep apnea heart attack, but can't be sure-and being a divorced empty nester, her daughter came home from her college graduation after not hearing from Mom for over a month. They were not on the best terms, but she assumed Mom would show up or at least call. She opened the door and promptly vomited from the stench: they later figured the mother had been dead roughly a month. They completely gutted and cyanide gassed the house, not even trying to save her impressive library and some fine furniture.

    Later neighbors were queried and admitted that they'd had the occasional whiff of something funky smelling from the house and found it odd her car hadn't moved in a long while, but no one said anything to authorities. These weren't people who didn't call cops, they were white suburbanites who would have but just didn't think that it was significant.

    Some of these deaths are natural, some are suicides, occasionally foul play is involved but when dealing with a sufficiently rotted corpse, it's hard to tell and although forensic anthropology is a thing, it's time and money not usually spent without definite indicators.

    The most repulsive cases are where the single homeowner dies in the swimming pool and is not found for a long time. After a week or so much of the chlorine evaporates off and the water decay really sets in. It's worse than a floater in the lake or river because the pool gets saturated with the putrescent gases and even hardened death professionals tend to barf working these cases.

    Well, you’ve certainly got me rethinking the veracity of “A Rose for Miss Emily.”

  117. @Kratoklastes

    ...the actual reproduction of your human flesh, the fulfillment of your line and genetic destiny...
     
    People who think like this leave me absolutely baffled. It is narcissism beyond the limits of human endurance to consider it so meaningful to reproduce a series of self-hybrids in which your own genetic material plays an exponentially-diminishing role.

    Plus, that phrase is creepy as fuck.

    It's not like there's some magic involved: all you need to do is squirt a load into a receptive female of the same species. It's not like it's a demonstration of rare and particular skill: think of the dumbest poorest least-educated meth-addict raggedy-ass white trash you can think of... and realise that reproduction is such a trivial doing, that they can do it too..

    You're taking a very short term view, bro: in another twenty generations nobody will give a fuck about the most famous real people from history (e.g., Hitler, Stalin, Black Panther [lol couldn't resist]) or the mythical ones (Thor, Hercules, Samson, Moses, Jesus, Spider-man).

    The probability that any of your line does anything of lasting note (something that makes their name known, 100 years after their birth, outside a circle of 100 people) between now and the heat-death of the universe, is staggeringly low.

    And that's not meant to be a slight on you personally: that's just how shit is. And any descendant more than 2 degrees of Kevin Bacon from you (e.g., a great-grandkid) is such a crap-shoot that you're as likely to detest them, as embrace them as a member of your family. Descendants will make decisions you don't like - even while you're around to object: as far as furnishing genuine utility and happiness to you personally, it's a wash.

    The universe is ~14 billion years old; this planet, ~4 billion years old. Humans qua species ~500k years old.

    And you think that something in your genetic mishmash is worth preserving - so much so that it has a "destiny"?

    That's fucking preposterous. I'm an unapologetically self-centred elitist, and I understand - and have really, deeply internalised - that in the genuine long run, nothing anybody does matters.

    It matters locally (i.e., within one's own life), but thinking you can can look into the seeds of time, and say which grain will grow and which will not is unmitigated hubris bordering on mental illness.

    The idea of living into a decrepit old age is repugnant to me - I would off myself if I became degeneratively infirm. If a cure was found the next day, so what? I would have some minuscule amount of time left in the gap between the two voids (void ①: the billions of years that passed before I was born; void ②: the billions of years that will pass after I die).

    That said, I'm also a techno-utopian, so virtualising and extending the gap between the voids by a couple of hundred million years might be interesting (but only locally).

    The comforts you have today are the result of your ancestors “squirt[ing] a load”, then supporting and raising these children.

  118. @AnonAnon
    Misery sure loves company. This article is a perfect example of how women deliberately sabotage their fellow women, and too many women are too stupid to see through it. I was heartily sick of the single career life and my own company by my late twenties. Sure it was fun and exciting the first few years after college but it quickly became boringly repetitive. To be brutally honest, and not to my credit, one of the first thoughts that crossed my mind after my husband proposed was relief that I wasn’t going to die alone.

    I have two spinster SILs, one GenX, one millennial, not because they’re ball-busting feminists but because they were too timid to really go out into the world on their own. My in-laws didn’t do their parental duty (selfishly imo) and boot the birds out of the nest, but let them live at home, despite them having the means to live on their own, until they got too old to easily find a mate. It’s a shame because I think they would prefer being married and having children but they were too emotionally comfy at home to make the effort to meet someone. Loneliness can be a very powerful motivator.

    Don’t evict your daughters unless they’re slutting up the house. If you want them out, find husbands for them. Surely there are some decent young straight men in your social circles.

    • Replies: @AnonAnon

    Don’t evict your daughters unless they’re slutting up the house.
     
    I don't have daughters (when it comes time, my sons will be evicted after being allowed a few years of saving up a nice nest egg) but being able to handle fully living on your own is a good skill to have - it's not easy but it gives you a lot of self confidence and will make them a better, more appreciative spouse. I think many parents pamper their daughters these days. Taking care of all the hard stuff in life for them certainly doesn't help with their entitled princess attitude, which I think many suffer from.
  119. @SFG
    Agree wholeheartedly, but how do you recognize such women ahead of time?

    Also, while a man can indeed 'date down' in age, this requires being successful and/or attractive. Tarantino can marry a woman 20 years his junior...but he is also a famously wealthy and famous director. Your average office drone is going to have a lot less luck.

    As a 50 year old office drone, you could marry a 25-year old janitor. A majority of the beautiful cashiers and waitresses would be delighted to stop licking the shoes of hundreds of customers, in exchange for licking those of their husband. (It goes without saying that, stupid as they might be, they will quickly find a way to stop working the till, and rarely will she be able to find something better. She knows it instinctively.)

    But you know you won’t have any common grounds in chitchat or budget decisions, which means you know that you will separate soon. Divorce is the most common fate for marriages where the age difference is yuuge, but people like Tarantino or Trump are either:
    – idiots who don’t know it
    – special granite stones (as opposed to special snowflakes) who think it won’t happen to them, and, if it happens, pretend it never happened, they already forgot, it did not hurt them, the dog ate their marriage certificate, and so on
    – cucks who get some pleasure from Marla screwing the guards.

    The office drone is rarely one of the above.

  120. @Wilkey
    "The Joy of Dying Alone..."

    A responsible journalist would understand that before recommending it to anyone else she should try it out for herself. They can let us know from beyond the grave what it was like.

    Accepting life without the benefit of a significant other is just another kind of "settling" - in many ways even worse than settling for someone who is, allegedly, beneath you. Either become a good enough person to attract the kind of person you think is good enough for you, or realize that both you and your companion are going to have to learn to appreciate living life with a highly imperfect person.

    Either become a good enough person to attract the kind of person you think is good enough for you, or realize that both you and your companion are going to have to learn to appreciate living life with a highly imperfect person.

    Well said Wilkey.

    Neither AnotherMom nor I am actually good enough for the other. But somehow we’ve made it work–for the children!–and had a hell of a lot of terrific man/woman fun doing it.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Neither AnotherMom nor I am actually good enough for the other. But somehow we’ve made it work–for the children!–and had a hell of a lot of terrific man/woman fun doing it.
     
    Sitting in for Rush Limbaugh one afternoon, Walter Williams told listeners the secret to a long-lasting marriage was laziness. He could find someone better than Mrs Williams, and she could find a better husband as well. But they were lazy, and didn't bother.

    I'm sure there is a more "sophisticated" term for this phenomenon that Williams used with his economics students at George Mason. But "lazy" works for us laymen.

    Another important factor in marital success is sheer need. That a breakup would be disastrous encourages one to ride out the storms.

    Modern spouses don't need each other quite as much, so marriages don't last.

  121. @Mr. Anon

    There is no end of ways White women are the natural and eternal enemy of White men.
     
    No, but obviously there is no end of ways that White women are the natural and eternal enemy of the pathetic nebbish known as "Whiskey".

    They are your enemy too. They’ll vote in a heartbeat to take your car and house and money.

    You might want to live under a bridge while slaving away for Globohomo and you bug ration. I’d rather have every White woman in the West married and invested in my interest.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "They are your enemy too. They’ll vote in a heartbeat to take your car and house and money."

    Just your stuff.
  122. @SFG
    I'd modify that: unhappy/lonely people who think they know better spend a lot more time criticizing others and wanting to boss them around.

    Those of us who know we made the wrong choice...well, you don't hear from us. ;)

    I suspect there's a correlation between what you describe and going into journalism. Verbal IQ and neuroticism. Everyone else is moving on with their lives. Sampling bias, you might say.

    I otherwise agree entirely with your statement.

    Terrific stuff, SFG–you and Arclight.

  123. @Laurence Whelk
    These wahmuns are amusing - they are “sticking it to the patriarchy” by not saddling men in long term relationships with the ungrateful harpies that they are and self-terminating their mutant genetic lines - great strategy.

    I have a delightful, beautiful and decidedly non-vicious wife, but if I had the choice between scoring some nice tail up into my forties and then living a peaceful and quiet late life “alone”, or being legally tied to some horrific hag who hides her self-loathing under the title of feminism, well, there is plenty of good wine to drink, good music to listen to, and good books to read - in peace.

    While the self hating, life hating hags are taking themselves out of the reproductive game, women who love men, love children, and love family project their genes and their temperament into the future. Unfortunately it’s the White women (the most fortunate, free, and pampered women in human history) who are being infected with this sickness.

    Lerner and Lowe summed up your sentiments nicely. “I’m an Ordinary Man,” from My Fair Lady.

  124. @bomag

    ...there are far worse things than dying alone...
     
    And there are far better things; like having a support network of friends and family; but such things don't seem to register with feminists.

    I’ll take my grandkids for 500, Alex.

  125. A couple points:

    1) West of the Hajnal line people have long had a lot of women–maybe 20%–who never married. That part is not a crisis. However, we used to have working away on their father’s, then brother’s, farm or in the convent. Little seen and not heard. Letting them opine in our major media is ridiculous.

    And even more importantly …

    2) We may have more empty wombs now as the civilized races are still recovering from the asymetric shocks of industrialization and then the birth control pill. However the result of this will be cull the genes that make women a poor fit for modern life.

    But for this process to play out–a few generations–we must not allow immigration/invasion. In a few generations inside closed borders, these–“you go-grrl”, hectoring spinster–genes will wash out and whites (and other civilized races) would recover as more pro-natal genes dominate. But immigration destroy’s that natural process, and worse stesses nations in ways–male wage depression, expensive housing, community destruction–that reinforce anti-natalism/spinsterism.

    So again, however interesting the “woman problem” is, in the end the one critical issue is defeating minoritarianism and immigrationism and demanding the right for civilized people’s to preserve their race and nation.

  126. Keli Goff is probably in a tough position. She is pretty for a black woman, but she is 40 and her looks are going to fade quickly and considerably. I imagine she thought she’d have an easy time dating successful engaging men, and a white woman in the same looks percentile for her race would indeed have had such an easy time, but being as she is a black woman, the pool of successful black professional looking men is limited compared to the black women in that status level. And many of those black men will happily date any other race of women.

    On the other hand, despite being an attractive black woman, she probably isn’t especially attractive to white men, especially given that she works in the entertainment industry, where the most attractive members of all races flock to.

    So she wasn’t able to find her dashing denzel. The odds were against her. She could settle, but for what? A ghetto nig? I don’t blame her for not settling for that. Her best bet is probably a professional athletic asian man, but my guess is that it’s never occurred to her and that it doesn’t much occur to such a man either.

  127. @Doktor Jeep
    Most boomers won't die alone.
    The west African orderly that starves them to death will count as company.

    Boomers have children. It’s the younger generations of white americans who don’t. Many of the people mocking boomers will die alone with no kids to protect or visit them, not the great majority of boomers.

    • Replies: @anon
    Boomers have children.

    Boomers also aborted children.
  128. @Triumph104
    When a University of Chicago student died in his single-occupancy dorm room, it took eight days for his body to be found.

    April 14, 2014 (CHICAGO)

    The 20-year-old's body was found in his dorm room on February 15, days after he last used his key code to enter the school's International House dorm. Other dorm residents complained of a smell, which led officials to discover his decomposing body and raised concerns about why he wasn't reported as missing earlier.

    The original autopsy was inconclusive, but toxicology reports were released Monday. His cause of death was listed as ethanol toxicity and labeled an accident by the medical examiner.

    Barnes was from Pittsburgh. He was a third-year student at U of C.

    https://abc7chicago.com/archive/9503255/

     

    First of all, where are his parents? Siblings? Any regular contact and concern??

  129. @Kratoklastes

    ...the actual reproduction of your human flesh, the fulfillment of your line and genetic destiny...
     
    People who think like this leave me absolutely baffled. It is narcissism beyond the limits of human endurance to consider it so meaningful to reproduce a series of self-hybrids in which your own genetic material plays an exponentially-diminishing role.

    Plus, that phrase is creepy as fuck.

    It's not like there's some magic involved: all you need to do is squirt a load into a receptive female of the same species. It's not like it's a demonstration of rare and particular skill: think of the dumbest poorest least-educated meth-addict raggedy-ass white trash you can think of... and realise that reproduction is such a trivial doing, that they can do it too..

    You're taking a very short term view, bro: in another twenty generations nobody will give a fuck about the most famous real people from history (e.g., Hitler, Stalin, Black Panther [lol couldn't resist]) or the mythical ones (Thor, Hercules, Samson, Moses, Jesus, Spider-man).

    The probability that any of your line does anything of lasting note (something that makes their name known, 100 years after their birth, outside a circle of 100 people) between now and the heat-death of the universe, is staggeringly low.

    And that's not meant to be a slight on you personally: that's just how shit is. And any descendant more than 2 degrees of Kevin Bacon from you (e.g., a great-grandkid) is such a crap-shoot that you're as likely to detest them, as embrace them as a member of your family. Descendants will make decisions you don't like - even while you're around to object: as far as furnishing genuine utility and happiness to you personally, it's a wash.

    The universe is ~14 billion years old; this planet, ~4 billion years old. Humans qua species ~500k years old.

    And you think that something in your genetic mishmash is worth preserving - so much so that it has a "destiny"?

    That's fucking preposterous. I'm an unapologetically self-centred elitist, and I understand - and have really, deeply internalised - that in the genuine long run, nothing anybody does matters.

    It matters locally (i.e., within one's own life), but thinking you can can look into the seeds of time, and say which grain will grow and which will not is unmitigated hubris bordering on mental illness.

    The idea of living into a decrepit old age is repugnant to me - I would off myself if I became degeneratively infirm. If a cure was found the next day, so what? I would have some minuscule amount of time left in the gap between the two voids (void ①: the billions of years that passed before I was born; void ②: the billions of years that will pass after I die).

    That said, I'm also a techno-utopian, so virtualising and extending the gap between the voids by a couple of hundred million years might be interesting (but only locally).

    Nihilistic garbsge like you just posted is the death knell of civilization.

    • Agree: Liza
  130. So when she dies alone and unnoticed–until the mail piles up -the grass doesn’t get cut and the neighbors notice the stink and eventually call the Fire Department who take her body out wrapped in the sheets to which it is stuck….sounds just lovely.

  131. @Counterinsurgency

    there must be some sane ones
     
    Finding a sane woman is as difficult as finding a sane man.

    Counterinsurgency

    Better to try and have failed than to never have tried at all!

  132. @ScarletNumber

    Yes, Gloria was Christian Bale’s stepmother
     
    I'm not sure why you felt the need to mention this, but since you did I would say that Gloria still is Christian's stepmother.

    I’m not sure why you felt the need to mention this…

    As an example of feminist hypergamy. She not only married a wealthy Brit, but one with a famous son. A twofer. Before that, she dated America’s richest Canadian.

    This is the woman who came up with the (pretty accurate, but dead-in-the-water) phrase “success objects”.

    but since you did I would say that Gloria still is Christian’s stepmother.

    But for how long?

    Here is a snarky line from the Telegraph, which I thought was above that sort of thing. Wolfe didn’t have to “choose”; his suits were identical. The more variable Gay Talese would have been a better comparison, but as a haberdasher’s son, he probably takes less than five minutes thought to be the best-dressed man in the land.

    Which is still more time than Gloria, perhaps.

    Her hair and nails received a level of attention that never came the way of her New York magazine colleague Tom Wolfe – though he must have spent more time choosing his outfits than Steinem ever did.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/authors/gloria-steinem-women-get-more-radical-with-age-men-get-more-cons/

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    I would say that Gloria qualifies as Christian's stepmother until she decides to remarry. If she dies before that happens then she keeps the title forever.
  133. @Kratoklastes

    ...the actual reproduction of your human flesh, the fulfillment of your line and genetic destiny...
     
    People who think like this leave me absolutely baffled. It is narcissism beyond the limits of human endurance to consider it so meaningful to reproduce a series of self-hybrids in which your own genetic material plays an exponentially-diminishing role.

    Plus, that phrase is creepy as fuck.

    It's not like there's some magic involved: all you need to do is squirt a load into a receptive female of the same species. It's not like it's a demonstration of rare and particular skill: think of the dumbest poorest least-educated meth-addict raggedy-ass white trash you can think of... and realise that reproduction is such a trivial doing, that they can do it too..

    You're taking a very short term view, bro: in another twenty generations nobody will give a fuck about the most famous real people from history (e.g., Hitler, Stalin, Black Panther [lol couldn't resist]) or the mythical ones (Thor, Hercules, Samson, Moses, Jesus, Spider-man).

    The probability that any of your line does anything of lasting note (something that makes their name known, 100 years after their birth, outside a circle of 100 people) between now and the heat-death of the universe, is staggeringly low.

    And that's not meant to be a slight on you personally: that's just how shit is. And any descendant more than 2 degrees of Kevin Bacon from you (e.g., a great-grandkid) is such a crap-shoot that you're as likely to detest them, as embrace them as a member of your family. Descendants will make decisions you don't like - even while you're around to object: as far as furnishing genuine utility and happiness to you personally, it's a wash.

    The universe is ~14 billion years old; this planet, ~4 billion years old. Humans qua species ~500k years old.

    And you think that something in your genetic mishmash is worth preserving - so much so that it has a "destiny"?

    That's fucking preposterous. I'm an unapologetically self-centred elitist, and I understand - and have really, deeply internalised - that in the genuine long run, nothing anybody does matters.

    It matters locally (i.e., within one's own life), but thinking you can can look into the seeds of time, and say which grain will grow and which will not is unmitigated hubris bordering on mental illness.

    The idea of living into a decrepit old age is repugnant to me - I would off myself if I became degeneratively infirm. If a cure was found the next day, so what? I would have some minuscule amount of time left in the gap between the two voids (void ①: the billions of years that passed before I was born; void ②: the billions of years that will pass after I die).

    That said, I'm also a techno-utopian, so virtualising and extending the gap between the voids by a couple of hundred million years might be interesting (but only locally).

    The probability that any of your line does anything of lasting note (something that makes their name known, 100 years after their birth, outside a circle of 100 people) between now and the heat-death of the universe, is staggeringly low.

    For a “techno” anything, your mathematical analysis here is strikingly poor.

    The actual probability–assuming your line does not relatively quickly die out–is, of course, 1. It’s an absolute certainty.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes

    The actual probability–assuming your line does not relatively quickly die out–is, of course, 1. It’s an absolute certainty.
     
    You're doing the typical naive binomial-tree (the retarded one that that implies that everyone's descended from Genghis Khan or some other shit), and propagating the same stupidity forwards.

    The unconditional probability that any human in the current cohort does anything of long term consequence (that results in their name being remembered, a century after the event, by more than 100 people), is ~1:70-million, assuming that of the current human population, about a thousand people's names will be widely-known in a century (seems charitable).

    Those unconditional probabilities are uncorrelated over time, so the joint probability that one of your descendants makes the cut is the product of the marginal probabilities. They're near enough to zero within each generation, so plim(Π) → 0.

    The weak correlation introduced in cousin-fucking cultures (like the Bayou People, Pakistanis and the Ashkenazim), are offset by other confounders...e.g., the hereditary diseases that arise in cousin-fucking cultures.

    That might make an interesting assignment question for grade 10 maths: you would grab at the 'obvious' easy answer, and you would be wrong.
  134. @AnotherDad

    Either become a good enough person to attract the kind of person you think is good enough for you, or realize that both you and your companion are going to have to learn to appreciate living life with a highly imperfect person.
     
    Well said Wilkey.

    Neither AnotherMom nor I am actually good enough for the other. But somehow we've made it work--for the children!--and had a hell of a lot of terrific man/woman fun doing it.

    Neither AnotherMom nor I am actually good enough for the other. But somehow we’ve made it work–for the children!–and had a hell of a lot of terrific man/woman fun doing it.

    Sitting in for Rush Limbaugh one afternoon, Walter Williams told listeners the secret to a long-lasting marriage was laziness. He could find someone better than Mrs Williams, and she could find a better husband as well. But they were lazy, and didn’t bother.

    I’m sure there is a more “sophisticated” term for this phenomenon that Williams used with his economics students at George Mason. But “lazy” works for us laymen.

    Another important factor in marital success is sheer need. That a breakup would be disastrous encourages one to ride out the storms.

    Modern spouses don’t need each other quite as much, so marriages don’t last.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Walter and the Mrs. are 'satisficers', i.e. they have found a 'good enough' spouse and settle for them. Many ambitious people are 'maximizers', i.e. look for the best possible everything, including spouses.

    Shyness may also play a role; people who don't like the dating game are much more eager to settle down, and less eager to cheat.
    , @anonymous
    The secret to a successful life is the ability to compromise. Not just to intellectually evaluate and make trade offs, but to be able to deal with the emotional consequences of not getting what you "really" want, or not being able to live your fantasies.
    , @res

    I’m sure there is a more “sophisticated” term for this phenomenon that Williams used with his economics students at George Mason. But “lazy” works for us laymen.
     
    As SFG mentioned, satisficing is the word.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satisficing

    Satisficing is a decision-making strategy or cognitive heuristic that entails searching through the available alternatives until an acceptability threshold is met.[1] The term satisficing, a portmanteau of satisfy and suffice,[2] was introduced by Herbert A. Simon in 1956
     
    Simon received the Nobel Prize in Economics in 1978, but what I find even more interesting is he also received the Turing Award (considered the Nobel Prize of CS) in 1975. Quite the combination. Are there any other Nobel Prize/Turing Award dual winners?

    Satisficing is a very useful word for describing the way people act in reality. And thus nice to have from a Sapir-Whorf perspective.
    , @Prester John
    Walter always knows how to cut to the chase.

    By the way, check out Franklin's "Advice to a Young Man on the Choice of a Mistress"-eight tips from 'ol Ben--and the last one's a hoot!
  135. @Daniel Williams
    Fuck, man. I’m not trying to be an asshole, but surely you see that yours is precisely the same argument as the feminist harridan’s, just in reverse?

    Yes, white women today are gross. Honestly, they’re fucking disgusting. No one would touch one without an insurance policy and a booster shot. But they’re OUR women. They’re what we got. We can’t make additional whites without them.

    You win, by getting married, by having a human woman by your side, producing your children, supporting you in whatever pathetic way she can (given the circumstances) while you try to do better by the next round of souls to inhabit this miserable rock.

    There is no other alternative. Dying alone to prove some kind of point only benefits the Jews. Yes, our white women are repulsive whores; but without us, who will steward them out of this behavior? We cannot reproduce without them. It is literally impossible.

    In all fairness, Tusk was replying to a woman praising extreme, possibly terminal, choosiness among regular women. In case the girls still don’t get it, let Jean Knight take it away.

    You think you’re hot stuff
    But in my book, you’re not hot enough now
    You think you’re hot stuff
    But I’m the one who’s gonna cool you off

    When the other girls looked at you
    I know how they got fooled
    Their mistake was they got carried away
    And they didn’t know what to do now
    Baby, baby, I know what you’re after
    But I know what you’re not gonna get

    (“Mr Big Stuff”)

  136. @Sam Coulton

    But they’re OUR women. They’re what we got.
     
    Wrong. We got much better options (they don't).

    We cannot reproduce without them. It is literally impossible.
     
    Wrong.


    http://i.imgur.com/bvmyR.jpg

    If you can’t keep your own women in line you won’t be able to keep foreign ones in line either. So you bring your foreign bride to America, you get American kids. And likely your wife will a adopt American ways.

    Until Western men grow a backbone and retake the reigns of society, it’s going to be crappy.

    • Agree: Daniel Williams
    • Replies: @anon
    Until Western men grow a backbone and retake the reigns of society, it’s going to be crappy.

    Which kings should be involved?
    , @Sam Coulton
    Incorrect. The divorce rates and marital satisfaction surveys prove you wrong.

    White nationalist meltdown in 3.. 2...
  137. @Reg Cæsar

    I’m not sure why you felt the need to mention this...
     
    As an example of feminist hypergamy. She not only married a wealthy Brit, but one with a famous son. A twofer. Before that, she dated America's richest Canadian.

    This is the woman who came up with the (pretty accurate, but dead-in-the-water) phrase "success objects".


    but since you did I would say that Gloria still is Christian’s stepmother.
     
    But for how long?


    https://mediaproxy.salon.com/width/1200/height/900/https://media.salon.com/2019/03/gloria-steinem.jpg


    Here is a snarky line from the Telegraph, which I thought was above that sort of thing. Wolfe didn't have to "choose"; his suits were identical. The more variable Gay Talese would have been a better comparison, but as a haberdasher's son, he probably takes less than five minutes thought to be the best-dressed man in the land.

    Which is still more time than Gloria, perhaps.


    Her hair and nails received a level of attention that never came the way of her New York magazine colleague Tom Wolfe – though he must have spent more time choosing his outfits than Steinem ever did.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/authors/gloria-steinem-women-get-more-radical-with-age-men-get-more-cons/
     

    I would say that Gloria qualifies as Christian’s stepmother until she decides to remarry. If she dies before that happens then she keeps the title forever.

  138. @Reg Cæsar

    Neither AnotherMom nor I am actually good enough for the other. But somehow we’ve made it work–for the children!–and had a hell of a lot of terrific man/woman fun doing it.
     
    Sitting in for Rush Limbaugh one afternoon, Walter Williams told listeners the secret to a long-lasting marriage was laziness. He could find someone better than Mrs Williams, and she could find a better husband as well. But they were lazy, and didn't bother.

    I'm sure there is a more "sophisticated" term for this phenomenon that Williams used with his economics students at George Mason. But "lazy" works for us laymen.

    Another important factor in marital success is sheer need. That a breakup would be disastrous encourages one to ride out the storms.

    Modern spouses don't need each other quite as much, so marriages don't last.

    Walter and the Mrs. are ‘satisficers’, i.e. they have found a ‘good enough’ spouse and settle for them. Many ambitious people are ‘maximizers’, i.e. look for the best possible everything, including spouses.

    Shyness may also play a role; people who don’t like the dating game are much more eager to settle down, and less eager to cheat.

  139. @RadicalCenter
    Boomers have children. It’s the younger generations of white americans who don’t. Many of the people mocking boomers will die alone with no kids to protect or visit them, not the great majority of boomers.

    Boomers have children.

    Boomers also aborted children.

  140. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Sure, but Keli Goff is a 40 year old, accomplished African American woman. This demographic is known to have trouble finding partners. They're the most extreme example of it. People who would collapse in a fit of the vapors if they ever came across iSteve know this, and lord knows everyone here knows it.

    This self-absorbed "journalist, playwright and screenwriter" probably has lots of fabulous friends with whom she may imbibe Thug Passions, and take turns testifying about their strength, intelligence, independence, uncompromising standards...

    But there are millions of hermits in America, living among us. Not as fabulous as Keli, of course. Most older, of course. No family, no partner, few acquaintances, little social engagement of any kind. Loneliness is endemic in the West, even in cities. And it's gotten worse ever since we got all these new friends from every corner of the earth who speak different languages we don't understand, because diversity is our greatest strength, and by 'our' I mean the Marxists who want to destroy Western social cohesion: the family, the nation, monogamy, regional loyalties of any kind, religion, and on.

    This is what normal people are afraid of, Keli. 'Dying alone,' of course, but isolation and loneliness make life hardly worth living. No wonder so many people kill themselves with opiates. Prisoners in solitary confinement have a higher suicide rate, too.

    I first became aware through a BBC World Service SJW-infused documentary.

    Married Black Men’s Opinions as to Why Black Women Are Disproportionately Single: A Qualitative Study
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4465800/

  141. @Thea
    If you can’t keep your own women in line you won’t be able to keep foreign ones in line either. So you bring your foreign bride to America, you get American kids. And likely your wife will a adopt American ways.

    Until Western men grow a backbone and retake the reigns of society, it’s going to be crappy.

    Until Western men grow a backbone and retake the reigns of society, it’s going to be crappy.

    Which kings should be involved?

  142. anon[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thea
    Men alone are architects and builders of society. Women simply live in your creation. Consider who the powerful men ruining our civilization are and how and why they did it.


    Feminism is simply women acting up and begging men to take a firm hand.

    Men alone are architects and builders of society. Women simply live in your creation. Consider who the powerful men ruining our civilization are and how and why they did it.

    White Knights are the natural allies of bad women. Joe Biden is one example.

    Feminism is simply women acting up and begging men to take a firm hand.

    Writing from experience?

  143. My favorite part of these kinds of Progressive woe-is-me pieces is the crack-pot assumptions they always contain. Here’s an example:

    She said she bought into society’s deafening message that being with a man – any man – is better than being alone,

    Deafening message? I, for one, don’t know if I have ever heard that message. What I have heard, thousands of times, is silly women telling me I’ve heard that message. Is there a term for this? Echo-chamber-itis?

    You know, Progressives spend so much time telling people that they’re hearing something that they’re not at all hearing, that they think they actually are hearing it. This syndrome is pandemic among the Woke. Another one is the spiel that entertainment media is always showing us black men as thugs and bad guys. Really?? That’s as far from the truth as one can possibly be, yet you hear it repeated constantly. And still, all I see on TV are black doctors and lawyers and computer nerds and well off black men dating white women. Where are all the thugs?

    A key to this is that these assertions are almost never followed by actual examples. It’s just asserted and assumed to be true. OF COURSE it’s true! How can you even ask?

    It’s a very strange part of clown world.

    • Replies: @Days of Broken Arrows
    "My favorite part of these kinds of Progressive woe-is-me pieces is the crack-pot assumptions they always contain..."

    Excellent observation. This is a way for the media to slip in messages when the reader is busy distracted by the main point. Another one I constantly see goes like "With the rise in sexual assault against women..." It's a lie. Sexual violence has actually gone way down since the 1990s.

    The other thing they do is rewrite history, claiming the past was more "oppressive" than it actually was. Before 1970, American's didn't live in a 24/7 war zone against women and minorities. The popularity of Motown and countless female authors might be the first tip off to that...
  144. @Reg Cæsar

    Neither AnotherMom nor I am actually good enough for the other. But somehow we’ve made it work–for the children!–and had a hell of a lot of terrific man/woman fun doing it.
     
    Sitting in for Rush Limbaugh one afternoon, Walter Williams told listeners the secret to a long-lasting marriage was laziness. He could find someone better than Mrs Williams, and she could find a better husband as well. But they were lazy, and didn't bother.

    I'm sure there is a more "sophisticated" term for this phenomenon that Williams used with his economics students at George Mason. But "lazy" works for us laymen.

    Another important factor in marital success is sheer need. That a breakup would be disastrous encourages one to ride out the storms.

    Modern spouses don't need each other quite as much, so marriages don't last.

    The secret to a successful life is the ability to compromise. Not just to intellectually evaluate and make trade offs, but to be able to deal with the emotional consequences of not getting what you “really” want, or not being able to live your fantasies.

  145. @Reg Cæsar

    Neither AnotherMom nor I am actually good enough for the other. But somehow we’ve made it work–for the children!–and had a hell of a lot of terrific man/woman fun doing it.
     
    Sitting in for Rush Limbaugh one afternoon, Walter Williams told listeners the secret to a long-lasting marriage was laziness. He could find someone better than Mrs Williams, and she could find a better husband as well. But they were lazy, and didn't bother.

    I'm sure there is a more "sophisticated" term for this phenomenon that Williams used with his economics students at George Mason. But "lazy" works for us laymen.

    Another important factor in marital success is sheer need. That a breakup would be disastrous encourages one to ride out the storms.

    Modern spouses don't need each other quite as much, so marriages don't last.

    I’m sure there is a more “sophisticated” term for this phenomenon that Williams used with his economics students at George Mason. But “lazy” works for us laymen.

    As SFG mentioned, satisficing is the word.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satisficing

    Satisficing is a decision-making strategy or cognitive heuristic that entails searching through the available alternatives until an acceptability threshold is met.[1] The term satisficing, a portmanteau of satisfy and suffice,[2] was introduced by Herbert A. Simon in 1956

    Simon received the Nobel Prize in Economics in 1978, but what I find even more interesting is he also received the Turing Award (considered the Nobel Prize of CS) in 1975. Quite the combination. Are there any other Nobel Prize/Turing Award dual winners?

    Satisficing is a very useful word for describing the way people act in reality. And thus nice to have from a Sapir-Whorf perspective.

  146. “Man’s love is of man’s life a thing apart,
    ‘Tis woman’s whole existence.”

    ― George Gordon Byron

    • Replies: @Englishman Abroad
    Schopenhauer says much the same thing in On Women.
  147. @Thea
    The men and women of every time and place get exactly the women and men they deserve. If the women are thus, someone taught them to be that way.

    Cowardliness is the male analog insult to female sluttiness. It’s a harsh pill to accept as an American woman that yes we have this awful deficiency but American men better look in the mirror to see how this happened. Brits are the same, see Rotterham- caused by the combination of cowardly men and slutty women.

    We are threads on a tapestry woven together not atomized strings blowing in the wind.

    Women are this way because men are that way. Bringing a perfect Russian women here won’t stop your daughters from becoming ordinary American girls.

    Thea

    We seem to be making the same point, although in different ways.

    Counterinsurgency

  148. @Counterinsurgency

    there must be some sane ones
     
    Finding a sane woman is as difficult as finding a sane man.

    Counterinsurgency

    Finding a sane woman is as difficult as finding a sane man.

    It’s all up to what you value ….

  149. @Sam Coulton

    As Daniel Williams points out, there isn’t really any alternative save, perhaps, extinction
     
    Ha ha, nice try, as if the obvious solution of nonwhite women wasn't floating over your head.

    Didn’t work out the last few times I’ve seen it tried.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @SFG
    White and yellow seems to work OK.

    White and brown (Latino) sometimes works, though of course some Latinos aren't that brown.
  150. @Whiskey
    Wow just wow how surprising.

    There is no end of ways White women are the natural and eternal enemy of White men.

    There’s nothing natural about it, which is why these articles are shilled so hard

  151. @Dave2
    At age 40, Anthony Stralow paid a white woman for eggs and paid brown women to incubate them. Got three adorable white kids with his DNA for about AU$40,000 apiece, a trifling sum compared to what his friends have lost in divorce court.

    We can write off a generation of white females if we have to.

    At age 40, Anthony Stralow paid a white woman for eggs and paid brown women to incubate them. Got three adorable white kids with his DNA for about AU$40,000 apiece, a trifling sum compared to what his friends have lost in divorce court.

    And his kids have no mother. What could possibly go wrong?

  152. @Altai
    That there are enough for a full on profession of 'liquidators' to have emerged to clean up the mess and odor from bodies lying undisturbed for weeks or months is truly disturbing. I wonder if there is another economic niche in reporting this history to potential renters and buyers of these places.

    That there are enough for a full on profession of ‘liquidators’

    Not unique to Japan, those companies exist in the US as well. Florida, for example. Arizona for another example. It’s a necessary job, like running a mortuary.

  153. @YetAnotherAnon
    At 39 you should be in pole position to pick and choose from the early 30's 'epiphany' crowd with incipient baby rabies. Caveat emptor, of course.

    Are there any non-indoctrinated women out there between 25-33 though?

    (Sometimes it's not healthy to read the Guardian or any social media too much - you get the impression all young women have mental issues of one kind or another, and there must be some sane ones)

    "Wine keeps giving though."

    Wine AND women are a time-honoured combination.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W77Kwh6f0TE

    Are there any non-indoctrinated women out there between 25-33 though?

    Yes, but one has to know what to look for, and how to manage them.
    The first leadership task a man has is himself.

  154. anon[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    Yes, our white women are repulsive whores; but without us, who will steward them out of this behavior? We cannot reproduce without them. It is literally impossible.
     
    And sometimes they're so badly hurt that they're just nonfunctional, can't be stewarded out of it. Women have a high degree of Agreeableness, but unfortunately it's to society in general and other women in particular as opposed to men in general and their husband in particular. If society tells them to, a surprising fraction of women will go full bore Medea [1] or Clytemnestra [2] on a man who has done nothing except be away at work too many hours a week, or (less severe case) destroy anything in the family that the woman doesn't like.

    This suggests that the real culprit in this is "society". If men want functional women, people who will actually look out for their own welfare and that of their children, men will have to re-make society so that it tells women to do that. As it is now, "dying alone" like Medea or Clytemnestra (who did leave descendants, suicidal ones) is the ultimate praiseworthy goal for women, who are told that this will deliver the ideal husband to them, or at least a rewarding life [3, 4]. The actual women I've seen who tried this do not seem happy with themselves, and in some cases are so wrapped up in pretending that everything has worked out well that they appear mildly psychotic.

    The above lie is horribly cruel, and should be treated as such. Society must be changed until the lie is no longer told [6].

    As Daniel Williams points out, there isn't really any alternative save, perhaps, extinction.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://www.ancient-literature.com/greece_euripides_medea.html

    2] https://www.greekmythology.com/Myths/Mortals/Clytemnestra/clytemnestra.html

    3] Shell Silverstein quote:
    Tell kids: 'Ernie is the giant who lives in the ceiling. If you throw an egg at the ceiling and yell 'Catch, Ernie', then Ernie will reach down an catch the egg!"
    Or, as they saying goes,
    "You'll never know until you try it, and after that it's too late."

    4] Mammalian brains change after menarche, and again after giving birth [5]. In a way, not marrying is a way to preserve the woman's present mind, which may not look forward to being transformed into a mind preoccupied by keeping its baby alive.

    5] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pregnancy-causes-lasting-changes-in-a-womans-brain/
    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/01/what-happens-to-a-womans-brain-when-she-becomes-a-mother/384179/

    6] Historically, ending this lie has been accomplished by ending the security and prosperity that made women able to believe it. Once it's obvious that men are fighting for their lives and a bit malnourished to boot, women tend to value the men a bit more. If everything else fails and things get that bad, the lie goes away. One would hope there was some other way to do it.

    If men want functional women, people who will actually look out for their own welfare and that of their children, men will have to re-make society so that it tells women to do that

    Lol.

    “If you want to have more than one date with a woman, go and remake society from top to bottom” is ridiculous. A man doesn’t have to remake society, he has to remake himself and be prepared to remake one (1) woman. He might have to turn over a lot of rocks to find her.

  155. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Data confirms more women have realized there are far worse things than dying alone, which is bad news for the patriarchy."

    Taken in context with what I believe her point to be, the above statement is a non sequitur.

    Keli Goff:

    https://cloudimages.broadwayworld.com/upload12/1916255/tn-500_tcgikm19.jpg

    Thanks for the image. Perhaps she was holding out for her own Stedman Graham and he did not show up. This explains the article as an extended rationalization of her situation.

  156. @Tusk
    Don't get me wrong, I only mean that about these feminist types, I definitely do think the majority of women are like that (which I may be wrong about) but the irony comes from the fact the group of people that has the least to offer are the ones implying that they should withhold themselves. I think the worst part of the authors mindset, and the modern gender/feminist studied courses, is that they absolutely ruin women that may have had a shot at a normal life otherwise.

    You're definitely right that we need to take responsibility for our own. All things are give and take, I do hope that both the Western man and woman can redeem themselves, jointly.

    All things are give and take, I do hope that both the Western man and woman can redeem themselves, jointly.

    Now that I am no longer blind drunk, I can more coherently agree with you about that. White women’s problems are also our problems as white men; we’re connected like the heads side of a coin to the tails.

    • Agree: Tusk
  157. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dacian Julien Soros
    With the exception of cougars, most women die alone. The idea of marrying for the sake of not dying alone has been a lie since men started marrying women younger than them, and dying at an younger age. Only Melania would be stupid enough to believe otherwise.

    My Mom & Dad had their ups and downs but never had gross fights, never spent a day apart from each other until Mom went into hospice, the combination of strokes & dementia making it impossible for her to recognize us, feed herself, etc.

    My Dad visited her every day, told her how beautiful she was, kissed her and caressed her hair, her hands. He loved her and she loved him until the day she died — and beyond. She was 85.

    Dad died a few months later, in an assisted care setting, after a (silly but successful) major surgery. He was 84. He did not “die of loneliness.” He was in assisted care for about 3 months and everybody in the place loved him — he made it his business to know and befriend each person in his orb.

    Apparently Mz. whateverhernameiz doesn’t think there are men or women or relationships like that any more, and maybe there are not.
    But there can be if each one of us decides to make the same kind of effort my parents did.

  158. @theMann
    Three words dude:

    Venezuelan Refugee Bride.



    White enough.
    Hot enough.
    Pleasant enough.



    I am seriously tired of guys whining about marriage. Do you: have a decent job? Brush your teeth? Dress well? Talk without swearing? Have any ability whatsoever to take care of yourself in fight?
    Congratulations, you are quality marriage material. Act like it.

    Congratulations, you are quality marriage material. Act like it.

    Wow, thanks! Do you really think so?

    You should write an ebook, seriously; Ten Ways to WIN Her or something catchy. Get some of these incels to start washing their penises and stuff like that Canadian guy says.

  159. @Kratoklastes

    ...the actual reproduction of your human flesh, the fulfillment of your line and genetic destiny...
     
    People who think like this leave me absolutely baffled. It is narcissism beyond the limits of human endurance to consider it so meaningful to reproduce a series of self-hybrids in which your own genetic material plays an exponentially-diminishing role.

    Plus, that phrase is creepy as fuck.

    It's not like there's some magic involved: all you need to do is squirt a load into a receptive female of the same species. It's not like it's a demonstration of rare and particular skill: think of the dumbest poorest least-educated meth-addict raggedy-ass white trash you can think of... and realise that reproduction is such a trivial doing, that they can do it too..

    You're taking a very short term view, bro: in another twenty generations nobody will give a fuck about the most famous real people from history (e.g., Hitler, Stalin, Black Panther [lol couldn't resist]) or the mythical ones (Thor, Hercules, Samson, Moses, Jesus, Spider-man).

    The probability that any of your line does anything of lasting note (something that makes their name known, 100 years after their birth, outside a circle of 100 people) between now and the heat-death of the universe, is staggeringly low.

    And that's not meant to be a slight on you personally: that's just how shit is. And any descendant more than 2 degrees of Kevin Bacon from you (e.g., a great-grandkid) is such a crap-shoot that you're as likely to detest them, as embrace them as a member of your family. Descendants will make decisions you don't like - even while you're around to object: as far as furnishing genuine utility and happiness to you personally, it's a wash.

    The universe is ~14 billion years old; this planet, ~4 billion years old. Humans qua species ~500k years old.

    And you think that something in your genetic mishmash is worth preserving - so much so that it has a "destiny"?

    That's fucking preposterous. I'm an unapologetically self-centred elitist, and I understand - and have really, deeply internalised - that in the genuine long run, nothing anybody does matters.

    It matters locally (i.e., within one's own life), but thinking you can can look into the seeds of time, and say which grain will grow and which will not is unmitigated hubris bordering on mental illness.

    The idea of living into a decrepit old age is repugnant to me - I would off myself if I became degeneratively infirm. If a cure was found the next day, so what? I would have some minuscule amount of time left in the gap between the two voids (void ①: the billions of years that passed before I was born; void ②: the billions of years that will pass after I die).

    That said, I'm also a techno-utopian, so virtualising and extending the gap between the voids by a couple of hundred million years might be interesting (but only locally).

    blah blah blah

    Great stuff, thanks. Definitely something to think about.

  160. @Daniel Williams
    Fuck, man. I’m not trying to be an asshole, but surely you see that yours is precisely the same argument as the feminist harridan’s, just in reverse?

    Yes, white women today are gross. Honestly, they’re fucking disgusting. No one would touch one without an insurance policy and a booster shot. But they’re OUR women. They’re what we got. We can’t make additional whites without them.

    You win, by getting married, by having a human woman by your side, producing your children, supporting you in whatever pathetic way she can (given the circumstances) while you try to do better by the next round of souls to inhabit this miserable rock.

    There is no other alternative. Dying alone to prove some kind of point only benefits the Jews. Yes, our white women are repulsive whores; but without us, who will steward them out of this behavior? We cannot reproduce without them. It is literally impossible.

    If you think we’re so disgusting, why do you want to make additional white people, knowing that half of them will be women?

    • LOL: Alden
    • Replies: @Daniel Williams

    If you think we’re so disgusting, why do you want to make additional white people, knowing that half of them will be women?
     
    You ain’t no woman, anon. Post pics.

    My comment was about feeling regret that I spent my twenties and thirties with bar skanks*, rather than raising white children with one of the disappearing minority of cool babes that populate this planet. It’s a reasonable enough thing to feel, I think.

    * Bar skanks are disgusting.

  161. @Reg Cæsar
    "Madge"-- not Palmolive's-- shares her views on age and patriarchy:

    Madonna at 60: Still Blaming the Patriarchy

    Money bray: “...further proof that the N.Y.T is one of the founding fathers of the Patriarchy.”

    You heard it, from the immaterial girl herself.

    Even though she has a vagina and an opinion, Madge is probably the least coerced and most privileged person on this planet today.

    This needs pointing out.

  162. Anon[338] • Disclaimer says:

    And the social media, as well as dating applications, are full of guide-less people who believe such things (which I seriously doubt the MSM… inspiration sources believe: I don’t imagine the orientators of our public narratives and fads living the way they encourage the public to, frankly), and go further down the slope.

  163. @Kronos
    Many 1960s women missed the biological window to have children. Now, they’re in the “misery loves company” mode.

    Remember, most women are bad at making big decisions. But are very good at rationalizing those decisions afterwords.

    Just the big ones, isn’t it? They are aces when it comes to small, and median decision, aren’t they.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    I’m saying when the stakes are VERY high, most (non butch lesbian/transsexuals) break down very badly. When it comes to hospital/medical stuff (you have cancer or your family member does) it’s better to have a man present.

    I’ve known certain men who possessed poor stress tolerances. But bad high stakes decisions are more of a female thing. There’s very little evidence of even calculated risk involved. Just blind angry/sobbing impulse feels.
  164. @Andy
    Clicking on the article, not a great surprise to see the author is an African American woman (marriage rate among them, 26%). Dying alone is not that bad: rationalizing the inevitable

    Gotta figure it’s either a black woman or a Jewess. Either way, they always seem so…so…ANGRY.

  165. @Reg Cæsar

    Neither AnotherMom nor I am actually good enough for the other. But somehow we’ve made it work–for the children!–and had a hell of a lot of terrific man/woman fun doing it.
     
    Sitting in for Rush Limbaugh one afternoon, Walter Williams told listeners the secret to a long-lasting marriage was laziness. He could find someone better than Mrs Williams, and she could find a better husband as well. But they were lazy, and didn't bother.

    I'm sure there is a more "sophisticated" term for this phenomenon that Williams used with his economics students at George Mason. But "lazy" works for us laymen.

    Another important factor in marital success is sheer need. That a breakup would be disastrous encourages one to ride out the storms.

    Modern spouses don't need each other quite as much, so marriages don't last.

    Walter always knows how to cut to the chase.

    By the way, check out Franklin’s “Advice to a Young Man on the Choice of a Mistress”-eight tips from ‘ol Ben–and the last one’s a hoot!

  166. Is dying alone that bad? It depends on the context.

    If you’re an upper middle class white female with private health care coverage, it probably isn’t that bad. Also, having a traditional family isn’t that important if you live in a cosy woke suburb full of fellow upper middle class liberals you enjoy networking with.

    However, if you’re not an upper middle class white liberal, it probably is pretty crappy. A working class white person dying alone in a decaying rural town or a rough multi-cultural neighbourhood probably isn’t going to be happy dying alone.

    Keyboard conservatives spend way too much time telling contented white liberals they aren’t happy living in a liberal society, and too little time rallying those who actually are unhappy living in a liberal society.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Keyboard conservatives spend way too much time telling contented white liberals they aren’t happy living in a liberal society, and too little time rallying those who actually are unhappy living in a liberal society.

    What do you call a Trump rally?

    The problem is with the two-party system you're stuck either taking your economic complaints to the Democrats, or your social complaints to the Republicans, with the consequences we all know too well.

    As for a revolution...well, most people aren't that upset, and even more aren't convinced it will help. On the one hand, you have 1776 (here), which ended well. On the other, there's 1789 (France), 1861 (here), 1917 (Russia), and 1946 (China), just to name the ones everyone knows about. You like those odds?

    Also, this country's so intermixed geographically you'd just get a Yugoslavia-like mess, probably with a few nukes going off too.

    What's my better idea? I don't have one.

    , @AnonAnon

    Also, having a traditional family isn’t that important if you live in a cosy woke suburb full of fellow upper middle class liberals you enjoy networking with.
     
    Do you have elderly parents yet? If you are lucky yours will live to an independent ripe old age, getting along just fine on their own and croak it peacefully one night in bed. My experience is not like that. My upper middle class parents had enough money saved up to live a comfortable retirement on their own, 800 miles away from the child closest to one of us. Life had other plans for them and their health started to seriously decline in their later-80s, culminating in a three week visit last year by my siblings while they convinced and arranged for my parents to move into assisted living close to them. Luckily one of them makes a very good living and fronted nearly $100K of expenses to move them in style (they flew out on a private jet, but just look up the price of medical transportation for a wheelchair bound parent - it's not cheap no matter how you do it) and get them properly set up. Do you think mere friends are going to drop everything for weeks at a time - my dad had a stroke several years before and we siblings took two week rotations of family leave to go and help them out during his months long recovery (and yes, we tried to convince them to move closer to us at that time but they were stubborn. Senior life lesson number one for me, live close to your kids) - and front out big wads of cash to help you when your health hits the fan. Their own parents lived into their 90s without major medical issues so they and we were blindsided by their issues. I feel for people who didn't have the foresight to have children and who don't try maintain a good relationship with them. The future will not be good for them. Hopefully, they have siblings and humane nieces and nephews.
    , @bomag

    Keyboard conservatives spend way too much time telling contented white liberals they aren’t happy living in a liberal society, and too little time rallying those who actually are unhappy living in a liberal society.
     
    Dunno; seems the Libs are the ones most anxious for the rest of us to ditch traditional norms and embrace the New, Improved: Gay--Trans--POC--Feminist--Alone anonymous lifestyle--etc.

    I like to think the unhappy find their way here eventually.
    , @Bardon Kaldian

    Is dying alone that bad?
     
    Well......they actually mean living alone.
  167. @Doktor Jeep
    Most boomers won't die alone.
    The west African orderly that starves them to death will count as company.

    The white ones starve them too. And the Hispanics. Besides beating them, ignoring their calls for help and leaving them to stew in their own waste.

    It is equal opportunity abuse and nobody cares because A. young people are sociopaths, and B. everybody thinks they’re going to live forever, and C. it’s class, not race. Aides are not middle-class and do not have middle-class values.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Absent being a Filipino with a large family, you probably get the best nursing home/assisted living sort of care from a home staffed by religious women.
    , @Art Deco
    I grew familiar with several nursing homes given the eldercare issues in my family and circle of friends. I never saw anything resembling this anywhere. I saw some dubious practices with moribund patients, but not the general run of residents.
  168. @SFG
    Agree wholeheartedly, but how do you recognize such women ahead of time?

    Also, while a man can indeed 'date down' in age, this requires being successful and/or attractive. Tarantino can marry a woman 20 years his junior...but he is also a famously wealthy and famous director. Your average office drone is going to have a lot less luck.

    Women will usually tell you enough for you to figure it out, or else you can glean the facts from her circumstances. For example, if she claims she has been in abusive relationships, that is a big red flag. Why was the guy so angry at her? Did she attack him? Why does she like guys like that?

    If she’s collecting child support, she’s already screwed a guy over. Either she got pregnant by a guy who didn’t want kids or she took away the children of a man who did. Those who are truly innocent in this regard (e.g. husband left for the hot secretary) are usually past their fertile years.

    As for dating down in age, only date down as much as you have to, and go to places where there are more women than men. Often, economically distressed areas have a high female to male ratio. Rural and exurban areas, for example. You’ll find a lot more attractive women working menial jobs than you will in the big city. They aren’t typically well-educated, but they aren’t all dumb either. The trick is finding one who is a decent human being, and looks tell you nothing about this.

    Does she like to care for others? Is she industrious? Does she hold a job and save any of her earnings? The one advantage an older guy has is that he can use his life experience as a guide to evaluate these things. He should be wise in this regard, but unfortunately there are a lot of old fools out there.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Thanks!

    The advice has been saved (unattributed of course).
  169. @alt right moderate
    Is dying alone that bad? It depends on the context.

    If you're an upper middle class white female with private health care coverage, it probably isn't that bad. Also, having a traditional family isn't that important if you live in a cosy woke suburb full of fellow upper middle class liberals you enjoy networking with.

    However, if you're not an upper middle class white liberal, it probably is pretty crappy. A working class white person dying alone in a decaying rural town or a rough multi-cultural neighbourhood probably isn't going to be happy dying alone.

    Keyboard conservatives spend way too much time telling contented white liberals they aren't happy living in a liberal society, and too little time rallying those who actually are unhappy living in a liberal society.

    Keyboard conservatives spend way too much time telling contented white liberals they aren’t happy living in a liberal society, and too little time rallying those who actually are unhappy living in a liberal society.

    What do you call a Trump rally?

    The problem is with the two-party system you’re stuck either taking your economic complaints to the Democrats, or your social complaints to the Republicans, with the consequences we all know too well.

    As for a revolution…well, most people aren’t that upset, and even more aren’t convinced it will help. On the one hand, you have 1776 (here), which ended well. On the other, there’s 1789 (France), 1861 (here), 1917 (Russia), and 1946 (China), just to name the ones everyone knows about. You like those odds?

    Also, this country’s so intermixed geographically you’d just get a Yugoslavia-like mess, probably with a few nukes going off too.

    What’s my better idea? I don’t have one.

  170. @Mr. Anon
    Dying alone.............the natural progression from Bowling alone.

    … then eaten by cats.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Dining Alone, by Mr. Meow-Meow III

    Pendant Publishing

    now, in large-print paperback.
  171. whistling their way past the graveyard

  172. @Anonymous
    If you think we're so disgusting, why do you want to make additional white people, knowing that half of them will be women?

    If you think we’re so disgusting, why do you want to make additional white people, knowing that half of them will be women?

    You ain’t no woman, anon. Post pics.

    My comment was about feeling regret that I spent my twenties and thirties with bar skanks*, rather than raising white children with one of the disappearing minority of cool babes that populate this planet. It’s a reasonable enough thing to feel, I think.

    * Bar skanks are disgusting.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Like attracts like. Female bar skank attracts male bar skanks.
  173. Other people are inconvenient, unlike beautiful consumer items like decorated porcelain frying pans or an itunes app.

    An even better way to get even with and be rid of all the people you’ve met with their miserable shortcomings: kill yourself now.

    /s

  174. @Corvinus
    "Guardian: the Joy of Owning the Patriarchy by Dying Alone"

    The reality is that there remains a subset of the population who embraces this "patriarchy", so whenever these types of articles by grrl pwr, inc. pop up, the usual anger and bitterness arises from said group. Of course, grrll pwr, inc. also suffers from the same type of resentment and derangement as their foes, the patriarchs, when they make the claim of "I go alone". Basically, it is the MGTOW way co-opted by extreme feminists. The fact is both group are outliers, but the media, both "mainstream" and "alternative", play it up as being a "us versus them" donnybrook that plays out continually in American boardrooms and bedrooms.

    We normies have bigger fish to fry. But, by all means Mr. Sailer, continue with your outrage.

    Can anyone point to anything positive that Corvinus has written on this website? Does anyone feel that Corvinus has contributed anything?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Can anyone point to anything positive that Corvinus has written on this website? Does anyone feel that Corvinus has contributed anything?"

    I wouldn't expect you or most posters here to go outside of your echo chamber and critically examine your confirmation bias.
    , @Luke
    Agreed. He is one commenter that the instant I see his name, I turboscroll down til I'm past whatever harmful lies he's written.
  175. @obwandiyag
    The white ones starve them too. And the Hispanics. Besides beating them, ignoring their calls for help and leaving them to stew in their own waste.

    It is equal opportunity abuse and nobody cares because A. young people are sociopaths, and B. everybody thinks they're going to live forever, and C. it's class, not race. Aides are not middle-class and do not have middle-class values.

    Absent being a Filipino with a large family, you probably get the best nursing home/assisted living sort of care from a home staffed by religious women.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    Right. So hard to find, though.
  176. @alt right moderate
    Is dying alone that bad? It depends on the context.

    If you're an upper middle class white female with private health care coverage, it probably isn't that bad. Also, having a traditional family isn't that important if you live in a cosy woke suburb full of fellow upper middle class liberals you enjoy networking with.

    However, if you're not an upper middle class white liberal, it probably is pretty crappy. A working class white person dying alone in a decaying rural town or a rough multi-cultural neighbourhood probably isn't going to be happy dying alone.

    Keyboard conservatives spend way too much time telling contented white liberals they aren't happy living in a liberal society, and too little time rallying those who actually are unhappy living in a liberal society.

    Also, having a traditional family isn’t that important if you live in a cosy woke suburb full of fellow upper middle class liberals you enjoy networking with.

    Do you have elderly parents yet? If you are lucky yours will live to an independent ripe old age, getting along just fine on their own and croak it peacefully one night in bed. My experience is not like that. My upper middle class parents had enough money saved up to live a comfortable retirement on their own, 800 miles away from the child closest to one of us. Life had other plans for them and their health started to seriously decline in their later-80s, culminating in a three week visit last year by my siblings while they convinced and arranged for my parents to move into assisted living close to them. Luckily one of them makes a very good living and fronted nearly $100K of expenses to move them in style (they flew out on a private jet, but just look up the price of medical transportation for a wheelchair bound parent – it’s not cheap no matter how you do it) and get them properly set up. Do you think mere friends are going to drop everything for weeks at a time – my dad had a stroke several years before and we siblings took two week rotations of family leave to go and help them out during his months long recovery (and yes, we tried to convince them to move closer to us at that time but they were stubborn. Senior life lesson number one for me, live close to your kids) – and front out big wads of cash to help you when your health hits the fan. Their own parents lived into their 90s without major medical issues so they and we were blindsided by their issues. I feel for people who didn’t have the foresight to have children and who don’t try maintain a good relationship with them. The future will not be good for them. Hopefully, they have siblings and humane nieces and nephews.

    • Agree: Cortes, baythoven
  177. @Triumph104
    A Certain Kind of Death (2003) is a documentary about people who died alone.

    https://youtu.be/ErooOhzE268

    I’ve seen that documentary (I’ve seen a lot of documentaries) and it is indeed a good one.

  178. @epochehusserl
    Can anyone point to anything positive that Corvinus has written on this website? Does anyone feel that Corvinus has contributed anything?

    “Can anyone point to anything positive that Corvinus has written on this website? Does anyone feel that Corvinus has contributed anything?”

    I wouldn’t expect you or most posters here to go outside of your echo chamber and critically examine your confirmation bias.

    • Replies: @epochehusserl
    so you are admitting that most people dont think you have contributed anything?
  179. @Anonymous

    You win, by getting married, by having a human woman by your side, producing your children, supporting you in whatever pathetic way she can (given the circumstances) while you try to do better by the next round of souls to inhabit this miserable rock.

    There is no other alternative. Dying alone to prove some kind of point only benefits the Jews. Yes, our white women are repulsive whores; but without us, who will steward them out of this behavior? We cannot reproduce without them. It is literally impossible.
     
    Come on, there are no longer anti-miscegenation laws. Go for a quality-made import who can give you high-IQ offspring.


    https://kresidency.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/asian-white-wedding.jpg
    https://laotiancommotion.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/blogholidaycard20142.jpg
    https://www.johnderbyshire.com/FamilyAlbum/Huntington2007/2011-08-06al.jpg

     

    On looks alone Derb’s wife is easily an 8.5. For her age probably a 9. Look at Derb. Even with Ron Unz’s money he could only hope to land a 7.0 white woman who when she reaches the age of 50 becomes a 6.0 nag on a good day.

    To any young white man the advice is simple. Go East you man.

    [This comment:
    Imprimatur/nihil obstat: Whiskey]

    Derb’s wife grew up in dirt-poor 80s China .

    He had the advantage of being able to offer her American citizenship

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Neither was an American citizen until 2001, when they received their citizenship within weeks of each other (IIRC, she did before he did). His wife was born in 1962 and was 21 years old when he met her in 1983. He returned to China three years later to marry her.
  180. @Counterinsurgency
    Didn't work out the last few times I've seen it tried.

    Counterinsurgency

    White and yellow seems to work OK.

    White and brown (Latino) sometimes works, though of course some Latinos aren’t that brown.

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
    You mean better.


    The divorce rates for all WM-nonwhite female relarionships are lower than monoracial relationships.
  181. @ScarletNumber
    Please don't use mobile links.

    Also, I find it amazing that someone was so attached to his bar that missing three days was enough for a welfare check.

    It’s kinda funny.

    But I think a lot of retired and unemployed people frequent the same coffeeshop or bar every day.

  182. @SFG
    Agree wholeheartedly, but how do you recognize such women ahead of time?

    Also, while a man can indeed 'date down' in age, this requires being successful and/or attractive. Tarantino can marry a woman 20 years his junior...but he is also a famously wealthy and famous director. Your average office drone is going to have a lot less luck.

    how do you recognize such women ahead of time?

    Ask her about her parents – are they still married and relatively happily? If so, she likely had role models of a healthy relationship and people who value staying together. Is her mom nuts, a ball buster, how does her mom treat her dad? How does she feel about her dad, brothers? Does she dress attractively but doesn’t put everything on display? What are her friends like – are they decent, down to earth women or do they all have issues – birds of a feather flock together. Was she raised with a religion, is religious now? Does she take antidepressants, have “anxiety”, lots of tattoos/piercings – stay away.

    I don’t think older “office drones” would have trouble finding a somewhat younger women (20 years is gross). Be in decent-good shape (so much easier for men!), dress decently, have good hygiene, be funny, and be confident.

    And honestly, lower your standards on looks and look for someone you get along with. You’re not Brad Pitt so you can’t expect to bag an Angelina Jolie. The decent, shy chubby woman with a good personality, who makes the most of her looks who has to try harder to find a guy will make a nice wife and mother and can always lose weight (she will follow your lead) but a hot psycho chick can ruin your life.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Thanks!

    The advice has been saved (unattributed of course).
  183. What about the guy she “settles” for? Think he isn’t made aware, in a hundred ways subtle and not so subtle, that he falls short? I’d say a marriage in which she settles for him is worse for him than it is for her.

    • Replies: @AnonAnon

    Think he isn’t made aware, in a hundred ways subtle and not so subtle, that he falls short?
     
    That's a great point. If you aren't being properly appreciated demand it. If she's fundamentally decent and married you for the right reasons - she wanted a life companion, a family, and values a long lasting marriage/stable home for her children she'll make an effort. People go into marriage with a ton of unrealistic expectations and you have to communicate your way through them. I think when people say "settle" they mostly mean get realistic of what you can attract looks-wise.
  184. @Kronos
    Many 1960s women missed the biological window to have children. Now, they’re in the “misery loves company” mode.

    Remember, most women are bad at making big decisions. But are very good at rationalizing those decisions afterwords.

    And how many children do you have Kronos??
    1,2, none? Practice what you preach.

  185. @Anon
    Just the big ones, isn't it? They are aces when it comes to small, and median decision, aren't they.

    I’m saying when the stakes are VERY high, most (non butch lesbian/transsexuals) break down very badly. When it comes to hospital/medical stuff (you have cancer or your family member does) it’s better to have a man present.

    I’ve known certain men who possessed poor stress tolerances. But bad high stakes decisions are more of a female thing. There’s very little evidence of even calculated risk involved. Just blind angry/sobbing impulse feels.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Women break down there and then but come to handle it better in the long run. Men seem ok but in the long run grief eats at them worse.

    Men and women are different. Who would have thunk it?
  186. @alt right moderate
    Is dying alone that bad? It depends on the context.

    If you're an upper middle class white female with private health care coverage, it probably isn't that bad. Also, having a traditional family isn't that important if you live in a cosy woke suburb full of fellow upper middle class liberals you enjoy networking with.

    However, if you're not an upper middle class white liberal, it probably is pretty crappy. A working class white person dying alone in a decaying rural town or a rough multi-cultural neighbourhood probably isn't going to be happy dying alone.

    Keyboard conservatives spend way too much time telling contented white liberals they aren't happy living in a liberal society, and too little time rallying those who actually are unhappy living in a liberal society.

    Keyboard conservatives spend way too much time telling contented white liberals they aren’t happy living in a liberal society, and too little time rallying those who actually are unhappy living in a liberal society.

    Dunno; seems the Libs are the ones most anxious for the rest of us to ditch traditional norms and embrace the New, Improved: Gay–Trans–POC–Feminist–Alone anonymous lifestyle–etc.

    I like to think the unhappy find their way here eventually.

  187. Author is an idiot. Women live a lot longer than men. So it’s not husbands who care for old women, it’s the children and grandchildren. If you don’t have kids, use all that money you didn’t spend in kids to buy one of those good nursing home insurance policies. Being affirmative action government employees, black women have the best pensions of all middle class people.

    • Replies: @anon
    Author is an idiot.

    She's 40 and not married. That's all one needs to know. It is called "hitting the wall" for a reason.
    , @Lot
    Some of those long term nursing care insurance plans went bust because claims were much more expensive than the old historic trend. Most insurance companies exited the business entirely, others closed the plans to new enrollees.
  188. @Thea
    If you can’t keep your own women in line you won’t be able to keep foreign ones in line either. So you bring your foreign bride to America, you get American kids. And likely your wife will a adopt American ways.

    Until Western men grow a backbone and retake the reigns of society, it’s going to be crappy.

    Incorrect. The divorce rates and marital satisfaction surveys prove you wrong.

    White nationalist meltdown in 3.. 2…

  189. @SFG
    White and yellow seems to work OK.

    White and brown (Latino) sometimes works, though of course some Latinos aren't that brown.

    You mean better.

    The divorce rates for all WM-nonwhite female relarionships are lower than monoracial relationships.

  190. @Kronos
    I’m saying when the stakes are VERY high, most (non butch lesbian/transsexuals) break down very badly. When it comes to hospital/medical stuff (you have cancer or your family member does) it’s better to have a man present.

    I’ve known certain men who possessed poor stress tolerances. But bad high stakes decisions are more of a female thing. There’s very little evidence of even calculated risk involved. Just blind angry/sobbing impulse feels.

    Women break down there and then but come to handle it better in the long run. Men seem ok but in the long run grief eats at them worse.

    Men and women are different. Who would have thunk it?

    • Replies: @Kronos
    True, there’s a major (though hushed) reason doctors recommend having someone with you while delivering bad news. It’s to have a spare driver ready. Women have a tendency of driving in to things (and sometimes people) after the medical visit. You send them off just to see them 15 min later in the ER from driving into a tree.
  191. @Daniel Williams
    Fuck, man. I’m not trying to be an asshole, but surely you see that yours is precisely the same argument as the feminist harridan’s, just in reverse?

    Yes, white women today are gross. Honestly, they’re fucking disgusting. No one would touch one without an insurance policy and a booster shot. But they’re OUR women. They’re what we got. We can’t make additional whites without them.

    You win, by getting married, by having a human woman by your side, producing your children, supporting you in whatever pathetic way she can (given the circumstances) while you try to do better by the next round of souls to inhabit this miserable rock.

    There is no other alternative. Dying alone to prove some kind of point only benefits the Jews. Yes, our white women are repulsive whores; but without us, who will steward them out of this behavior? We cannot reproduce without them. It is literally impossible.

    Why don’t you start your own I hate women because I’m not getting any blog?

    One thing I’m continually shocked about UNZ male commenters is how obsessed they are with fertility but only seem to have 1,2, or no children?

    Sometimes this site is like a Henry 8 movie with Henry and everyone else going psycho because with all those wives and mistresses he could only produce 2 kids who lived past 18.

    What is this, a support group for people fertility clinics couldn’t help?

    • LOL: PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @Daniel Williams

    Why don’t you start your own I hate women because I’m not getting any blog?
     
    I don’t think anyone would read it. I’m not much of a writer, really; I’m mainly just, like, a comment guy. Do you really think I should start a blog?
  192. @obwandiyag
    The white ones starve them too. And the Hispanics. Besides beating them, ignoring their calls for help and leaving them to stew in their own waste.

    It is equal opportunity abuse and nobody cares because A. young people are sociopaths, and B. everybody thinks they're going to live forever, and C. it's class, not race. Aides are not middle-class and do not have middle-class values.

    I grew familiar with several nursing homes given the eldercare issues in my family and circle of friends. I never saw anything resembling this anywhere. I saw some dubious practices with moribund patients, but not the general run of residents.

  193. @Daniel Williams

    If you think we’re so disgusting, why do you want to make additional white people, knowing that half of them will be women?
     
    You ain’t no woman, anon. Post pics.

    My comment was about feeling regret that I spent my twenties and thirties with bar skanks*, rather than raising white children with one of the disappearing minority of cool babes that populate this planet. It’s a reasonable enough thing to feel, I think.

    * Bar skanks are disgusting.

    Like attracts like. Female bar skank attracts male bar skanks.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    I had a relation forty years back who spent much of her free time in bars. She would return home and would chew the fat with her friends that evening or later in the week, offering verbose complaints about what this guy said and what that guy said. Over a period of a half-dozen years or so, she never made the acquaintance of one person in those settings whom she was appended to for more than a week-end. The booze and the bitc*ing was her entertainment.
    , @Daniel Williams

    Like attracts like. Female bar skank attracts male bar skanks.
     
    Hard to argue with that, amigo.
    , @Luke
    Correction here. "Skank" by definition is a female, just as is a "fox". How could you not know this?
  194. @eagles
    Derb's wife grew up in dirt-poor 80s China .

    He had the advantage of being able to offer her American citizenship

    Neither was an American citizen until 2001, when they received their citizenship within weeks of each other (IIRC, she did before he did). His wife was born in 1962 and was 21 years old when he met her in 1983. He returned to China three years later to marry her.

  195. @Tusk
    "that marriage, unless to an exceptional man, is often a ‘bad bargain’ for women."

    What makes women so exceptional that the average layman wins by getting married? Considering the droves of tattooed, uncouth, and extremely in debt (PhD's in Gender Studies don't come cheap!) women don't seem to have their lives together it seems like an economic loss to get involved with such types. What is the benefit? What do they provide me, or anyone, besides economic incentives (if they get a job) and relations, these people don't want to reproduce, they want to live in tiny cuckshed houses, pittbulls as pets, probably spend all their time protesting, won't cook, won't do any household chores, what is the point.

    I’m not seeing that. I think weight problems are more common than was the case 50 years ago (in part because cigarette smoking and amphetamine use is less common).

    If the experience of the younger men in our families is any guide, what they face is a female population chock-a-block with those who think of marriage as just a stage of the dating relationship. Three quite reasonable young men among ours have been abandoned a propos of nothing in particular in the last 11 years. The most enduring of these marriages lasted a shade over three years. At least two of these women (quite possibly all three) were whoring around on their husbands before they hit the road.

  196. @Dave Pinsen
    Absent being a Filipino with a large family, you probably get the best nursing home/assisted living sort of care from a home staffed by religious women.

    Right. So hard to find, though.

  197. @alt right moderate
    Is dying alone that bad? It depends on the context.

    If you're an upper middle class white female with private health care coverage, it probably isn't that bad. Also, having a traditional family isn't that important if you live in a cosy woke suburb full of fellow upper middle class liberals you enjoy networking with.

    However, if you're not an upper middle class white liberal, it probably is pretty crappy. A working class white person dying alone in a decaying rural town or a rough multi-cultural neighbourhood probably isn't going to be happy dying alone.

    Keyboard conservatives spend way too much time telling contented white liberals they aren't happy living in a liberal society, and too little time rallying those who actually are unhappy living in a liberal society.

    Is dying alone that bad?

    Well……they actually mean living alone.

    • Replies: @anon
    so I was cleaning the oven --> Sylvia Plath --> suicide --> suicide is the ultimate f-you --> dying alone --> "I'll manage my own death, thank you!" = f-you.

    Persons left behind by suicides are marked for the rest of their lives; they are victims of a suicide.

    Is this woman a 'living suicide' intent on stamping her f-you on victims -- men who have not adequately done -- what? loved her? -- without the necessity of her death?


    hard to tell what she's more terrified of, dying or living.
  198. @Alden
    Like attracts like. Female bar skank attracts male bar skanks.

    I had a relation forty years back who spent much of her free time in bars. She would return home and would chew the fat with her friends that evening or later in the week, offering verbose complaints about what this guy said and what that guy said. Over a period of a half-dozen years or so, she never made the acquaintance of one person in those settings whom she was appended to for more than a week-end. The booze and the bitc*ing was her entertainment.

  199. @Alden
    Author is an idiot. Women live a lot longer than men. So it’s not husbands who care for old women, it’s the children and grandchildren. If you don’t have kids, use all that money you didn’t spend in kids to buy one of those good nursing home insurance policies. Being affirmative action government employees, black women have the best pensions of all middle class people.

    Author is an idiot.

    She’s 40 and not married. That’s all one needs to know. It is called “hitting the wall” for a reason.

  200. @AnonAnon

    how do you recognize such women ahead of time?
     
    Ask her about her parents - are they still married and relatively happily? If so, she likely had role models of a healthy relationship and people who value staying together. Is her mom nuts, a ball buster, how does her mom treat her dad? How does she feel about her dad, brothers? Does she dress attractively but doesn't put everything on display? What are her friends like - are they decent, down to earth women or do they all have issues - birds of a feather flock together. Was she raised with a religion, is religious now? Does she take antidepressants, have "anxiety", lots of tattoos/piercings - stay away.

    I don't think older "office drones" would have trouble finding a somewhat younger women (20 years is gross). Be in decent-good shape (so much easier for men!), dress decently, have good hygiene, be funny, and be confident.

    And honestly, lower your standards on looks and look for someone you get along with. You're not Brad Pitt so you can't expect to bag an Angelina Jolie. The decent, shy chubby woman with a good personality, who makes the most of her looks who has to try harder to find a guy will make a nice wife and mother and can always lose weight (she will follow your lead) but a hot psycho chick can ruin your life.

    Thanks!

    The advice has been saved (unattributed of course).

  201. @Bill P
    Women will usually tell you enough for you to figure it out, or else you can glean the facts from her circumstances. For example, if she claims she has been in abusive relationships, that is a big red flag. Why was the guy so angry at her? Did she attack him? Why does she like guys like that?

    If she's collecting child support, she's already screwed a guy over. Either she got pregnant by a guy who didn't want kids or she took away the children of a man who did. Those who are truly innocent in this regard (e.g. husband left for the hot secretary) are usually past their fertile years.

    As for dating down in age, only date down as much as you have to, and go to places where there are more women than men. Often, economically distressed areas have a high female to male ratio. Rural and exurban areas, for example. You'll find a lot more attractive women working menial jobs than you will in the big city. They aren't typically well-educated, but they aren't all dumb either. The trick is finding one who is a decent human being, and looks tell you nothing about this.

    Does she like to care for others? Is she industrious? Does she hold a job and save any of her earnings? The one advantage an older guy has is that he can use his life experience as a guide to evaluate these things. He should be wise in this regard, but unfortunately there are a lot of old fools out there.

    Thanks!

    The advice has been saved (unattributed of course).

  202. @Alden
    Like attracts like. Female bar skank attracts male bar skanks.

    Like attracts like. Female bar skank attracts male bar skanks.

    Hard to argue with that, amigo.

  203. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Is dying alone that bad?
     
    Well......they actually mean living alone.

    so I was cleaning the oven –> Sylvia Plath –> suicide –> suicide is the ultimate f-you –> dying alone –> “I’ll manage my own death, thank you!” = f-you.

    Persons left behind by suicides are marked for the rest of their lives; they are victims of a suicide.

    Is this woman a ‘living suicide’ intent on stamping her f-you on victims — men who have not adequately done — what? loved her? — without the necessity of her death?

    hard to tell what she’s more terrified of, dying or living.

    • Replies: @SFG
    I think it's just rationalization of your own life choices. There's an old saying about not attributing to malice what you can adequately explain by stupidity. I don't think she's stupid at all, but she's made choices she's only now realizing the downside of, and it's starting to hurt her, so she's rationalizing harder and, well, she's got a platform.
  204. @Kronos
    Many 1960s women missed the biological window to have children. Now, they’re in the “misery loves company” mode.

    Remember, most women are bad at making big decisions. But are very good at rationalizing those decisions afterwords.

    “Remember, most women are bad at making big decisions.”

    Actually, it’s men and women who lack certain traits who are bad at making big decisions.

    “But are very good at rationalizing those decisions afterwords.”

    Like men who “pump and dump”?

  205. @Dave2
    Don't evict your daughters unless they're slutting up the house. If you want them out, find husbands for them. Surely there are some decent young straight men in your social circles.

    Don’t evict your daughters unless they’re slutting up the house.

    I don’t have daughters (when it comes time, my sons will be evicted after being allowed a few years of saving up a nice nest egg) but being able to handle fully living on your own is a good skill to have – it’s not easy but it gives you a lot of self confidence and will make them a better, more appreciative spouse. I think many parents pamper their daughters these days. Taking care of all the hard stuff in life for them certainly doesn’t help with their entitled princess attitude, which I think many suffer from.

    • Replies: @SFG
    If you want them to take care of you in your dotage, perhaps try *not* evicting them? Young people have a hard time saving up for a place these days, something older people who grew up in an age of less inflated housing prices don't realize. The longer they're around, the more influence you have on them, even to a smaller degree. They'll think you're stupid at 15, but they'll change their minds at 21.

    And if they're even vaguely loyal, any money that doesn't go to some landlord has a chance of being spent on you when you're old.
  206. @ricpic
    What about the guy she "settles" for? Think he isn't made aware, in a hundred ways subtle and not so subtle, that he falls short? I'd say a marriage in which she settles for him is worse for him than it is for her.

    Think he isn’t made aware, in a hundred ways subtle and not so subtle, that he falls short?

    That’s a great point. If you aren’t being properly appreciated demand it. If she’s fundamentally decent and married you for the right reasons – she wanted a life companion, a family, and values a long lasting marriage/stable home for her children she’ll make an effort. People go into marriage with a ton of unrealistic expectations and you have to communicate your way through them. I think when people say “settle” they mostly mean get realistic of what you can attract looks-wise.

  207. I have had friends who admit that they feel sad that they opted not to have children. Many of them do not know that I voted for Trump, so I feel doubly bad for them that they bought into all the horseshit of women being empowered and all…men are toxic…and the patriarchy destroyed their dreams, bad boyfrieds, blah, blah blah. My father just taught me to be fierce- strong, trust only family, and hahaaaa, be unpredictable! I do feel American women, black, white Latino, did not get that lesson…but they did not have the almost perfect, lovely dad like my father. And, my heritage is violence, war, struggle, for thousands of years.

  208. @PiltdownMan
    Thanks for that. I hadn't heard it in a while and had forgotten about it. I remember walking out of the university library the day before a mid-term exam c. 1979, and stumbling upon Rockpile playing in the quad outside. For some reason, even though Dave Edmunds and Nick Lowe were big on college radio those days, the crowd was thin that day. I watched him and Nick Lowe from the edge of the stage, which was about two feet high. A real treat.

    I’m not a jealous person, but I am jealous that you got to see them and were right there. 🙂

    Still amazed that Nick Lowe was married to Carlene Carter whose mother is June Carter Cash.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I saw Carlene Carter in the 1990s. I think Nick Lowe was playing bass for her. She did his "I Knew the Bride When She Used to Rock and Roll."
    , @Anonymous

    Still amazed that Nick Lowe was married to Carlene Carter whose mother is June Carter Cash.
     
    Not at all. Carlene "put the c*** back into country" Cash was exactly his type and vice versa.

    Preacher's Kid Syndrome.
    , @obwandiyag
    History doesn't stop where you want it to.

    Yes, Carlene Carter was great, and heralded a great melodic and artistic movement in country songwriting and performing that was quickly squanched for, I don't know, hats and models and autotune and HW Jr. clones out-assholing one another.

    But she quickly became a truly frightening junkie and that was all she wrote.
  209. @AnonAnon

    Don’t evict your daughters unless they’re slutting up the house.
     
    I don't have daughters (when it comes time, my sons will be evicted after being allowed a few years of saving up a nice nest egg) but being able to handle fully living on your own is a good skill to have - it's not easy but it gives you a lot of self confidence and will make them a better, more appreciative spouse. I think many parents pamper their daughters these days. Taking care of all the hard stuff in life for them certainly doesn't help with their entitled princess attitude, which I think many suffer from.

    If you want them to take care of you in your dotage, perhaps try *not* evicting them? Young people have a hard time saving up for a place these days, something older people who grew up in an age of less inflated housing prices don’t realize. The longer they’re around, the more influence you have on them, even to a smaller degree. They’ll think you’re stupid at 15, but they’ll change their minds at 21.

    And if they’re even vaguely loyal, any money that doesn’t go to some landlord has a chance of being spent on you when you’re old.

  210. @Anonymous
    Women break down there and then but come to handle it better in the long run. Men seem ok but in the long run grief eats at them worse.

    Men and women are different. Who would have thunk it?

    True, there’s a major (though hushed) reason doctors recommend having someone with you while delivering bad news. It’s to have a spare driver ready. Women have a tendency of driving in to things (and sometimes people) after the medical visit. You send them off just to see them 15 min later in the ER from driving into a tree.

    • Replies: @Alden
    You obviously aren’t in the auto insurance business. It’s men who have the most accidents, not women. It’s from drinking, being careless, machismo, “ I can make that yellow light, I can make the left turn before the light turns”.

    Not my opinion, auto accident statistics.

    Another misogynistic old women hater heard from.
  211. @Corvinus
    "Can anyone point to anything positive that Corvinus has written on this website? Does anyone feel that Corvinus has contributed anything?"

    I wouldn't expect you or most posters here to go outside of your echo chamber and critically examine your confirmation bias.

    so you are admitting that most people dont think you have contributed anything?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "so you are admitting that most people dont think you have contributed anything?"

    No. I am saying that most people here will not admit that they are slaves to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that affirms their prior beliefs or hypotheses.
  212. @Corvinus
    "If your only reason for getting married is to avoid dying alone, then you shouldn’t be getting married.
    And you shouldn’t be breeding, either."

    Thanks, Fascist.

    How is that observation Fascist?

  213. @anon
    so I was cleaning the oven --> Sylvia Plath --> suicide --> suicide is the ultimate f-you --> dying alone --> "I'll manage my own death, thank you!" = f-you.

    Persons left behind by suicides are marked for the rest of their lives; they are victims of a suicide.

    Is this woman a 'living suicide' intent on stamping her f-you on victims -- men who have not adequately done -- what? loved her? -- without the necessity of her death?


    hard to tell what she's more terrified of, dying or living.

    I think it’s just rationalization of your own life choices. There’s an old saying about not attributing to malice what you can adequately explain by stupidity. I don’t think she’s stupid at all, but she’s made choices she’s only now realizing the downside of, and it’s starting to hurt her, so she’s rationalizing harder and, well, she’s got a platform.

  214. @prosa123
    If published obituaries are to be believed, most people are surrounded by their families when they die. Sure. Especially in nursing home deaths, which must be close to half of all deaths, I doubt that's usually the case.

    The people with obituaries are the people with families who cared to write one and pay to have it published.

  215. @Anonymous

    You win, by getting married, by having a human woman by your side, producing your children, supporting you in whatever pathetic way she can (given the circumstances) while you try to do better by the next round of souls to inhabit this miserable rock.

    There is no other alternative. Dying alone to prove some kind of point only benefits the Jews. Yes, our white women are repulsive whores; but without us, who will steward them out of this behavior? We cannot reproduce without them. It is literally impossible.
     
    Come on, there are no longer anti-miscegenation laws. Go for a quality-made import who can give you high-IQ offspring.


    https://kresidency.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/asian-white-wedding.jpg
    https://laotiancommotion.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/blogholidaycard20142.jpg
    https://www.johnderbyshire.com/FamilyAlbum/Huntington2007/2011-08-06al.jpg

     

    On looks alone Derb’s wife is easily an 8.5. For her age probably a 9. Look at Derb. Even with Ron Unz’s money he could only hope to land a 7.0 white woman who when she reaches the age of 50 becomes a 6.0 nag on a good day.

    To any young white man the advice is simple. Go East you man.

    [This comment:
    Imprimatur/nihil obstat: Whiskey]

    8.5? Maybe you meant 5.8?

  216. @Daniel Williams
    I have a delightful, beautiful and decidedly non-vicious wife, but if I had the choice between scoring some nice tail up into my forties and then living a peaceful and quiet late life “alone”, or being legally tied to some horrific hag who hides her self-loathing under the title of feminism, well, there is plenty of good wine to drink, good music to listen to, and good books to read.

    I disagree. I’m thirty-nine. I’ve fucked scores of women, beatiful and otherwise, and I assure you that I would trade the collective experience in a heartbeat for a living heir.

    Books and music gradually become meaningless. They are the excreta of some other souls—the meaningless output of other isolated nobodies trying to make sense of their time in this prison of flesh. They can illuminate or entertain, sure, but compared to the actual reproduction of your human flesh, the fulfillment of your line and genetic destiny, it is all masturbation. You read Plato, sure, and feel elevated; and then you die.

    Wine keeps giving though. I’ll yive you that much.

    I’ve fucked scores of women, beatiful and otherwise,

    /r/thathappened

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
    Buddy, it says a lot more about you than me that you’re incredulous that a guy could have a lot of girlfriends over twenty-five years of being single.
    , @Alden
    He’s probably telling the the truth about the numbers, although who knows what he considers beautiful. Especially at 1/45 am with his beer goggles on.
  217. I’ve fucked scores of women, beatiful and otherwise,

    /r/thathappened

    Probably did, a lot of men have. It’s not that big an achievement.

  218. @Bubba
    I'm not a jealous person, but I am jealous that you got to see them and were right there. :-)

    Still amazed that Nick Lowe was married to Carlene Carter whose mother is June Carter Cash.

    I saw Carlene Carter in the 1990s. I think Nick Lowe was playing bass for her. She did his “I Knew the Bride When She Used to Rock and Roll.”

    • Replies: @Bubba
    She was a really wild as a teenager and then in '80 or '81 when I heard over the car radio they were husband and wife I said "Are you kidding me?" out loud. My friends just laughed and said, "Who is she?"

    Anyway, I never met Nick Lowe, but when I was a young teenager he struck me as extremely talented, very cool and seriously devoted to his craft. Then while in college I admired what seemed (to me) to be his disciplined business savvy in a very crowded field. But I never thought he would marry a wild woman like her where you end up wasting alot of time and money dealing with her narcissism.
  219. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @donvonburg
    The house can usually be saved but most of the stuff in it has to go. All wood furniture or furniture worth reupholstering is savable, stuff in other rooms may be okay depending on airflow. Often times the rotted body is accompanied by significant hoarding and clothes long piled on the floor condemn both the clothes and the carpet even without a dead body in it. If the body was on the floor the floor will probably have to be cut out and patched.

    Depending on the housing market, and the location of the house, even a savable house will often simply be demolished so the buyers can build an entirely new structure to their liking in a desirable subdivision or neighborhood with, ahem, good schools. So the value of the raw ground can actually go up a little, because to buy into an existing desirable community usually one is stuck with the existing houses. Otherwise one would not be permitted to demolish the house, but this usually is an approvable pretext, and if not a mysterious fire usually breaks out, just enough to smoke damage and bring out the FD and its hoses. Every "we buy houses" guy knows a guy who knows a guy who is a pro torch and knows all the tricks to leave no definite evidence. Squirrels with a taste for insulation, spontaneous combustion from linseed oil on certain cloths, whatever.

    Our church has had several people whose parents, aunts or uncles, whatever, have suffered this fate. It happens more and more. It isn't always old people either. There was a case in my neighborhood where a woman in her early fifties died in her sleep-they think sleep apnea heart attack, but can't be sure-and being a divorced empty nester, her daughter came home from her college graduation after not hearing from Mom for over a month. They were not on the best terms, but she assumed Mom would show up or at least call. She opened the door and promptly vomited from the stench: they later figured the mother had been dead roughly a month. They completely gutted and cyanide gassed the house, not even trying to save her impressive library and some fine furniture.

    Later neighbors were queried and admitted that they'd had the occasional whiff of something funky smelling from the house and found it odd her car hadn't moved in a long while, but no one said anything to authorities. These weren't people who didn't call cops, they were white suburbanites who would have but just didn't think that it was significant.

    Some of these deaths are natural, some are suicides, occasionally foul play is involved but when dealing with a sufficiently rotted corpse, it's hard to tell and although forensic anthropology is a thing, it's time and money not usually spent without definite indicators.

    The most repulsive cases are where the single homeowner dies in the swimming pool and is not found for a long time. After a week or so much of the chlorine evaporates off and the water decay really sets in. It's worse than a floater in the lake or river because the pool gets saturated with the putrescent gases and even hardened death professionals tend to barf working these cases.

    All wood furniture or furniture worth reupholstering is savable,

    An aside, I lived in an apartment that had a door which had a cooling board inset into it. I wound up keeping the door (long story, landlord absconded, city got property, et al) and made a Telecaster body out of one piece and gave the rest to someone else who did similarly. Solid 100+ year old wood of some kind or another, sounded great.

    No idea if the cooling board was ever used for its intended purpose.

  220. Well, in her defense, there are people who have children and grandchildren and die alone anyway, abandoned in some old people’s home or whatever and visited if lucky once a year. Not all sons are grateful.

    In some countries in can be even worse, this women all have grandchildren:

    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/granny-prostitutes-reflect-south-korea-s-problem-of-elderly-pove-7562324

  221. @Bubba
    I'm not a jealous person, but I am jealous that you got to see them and were right there. :-)

    Still amazed that Nick Lowe was married to Carlene Carter whose mother is June Carter Cash.

    Still amazed that Nick Lowe was married to Carlene Carter whose mother is June Carter Cash.

    Not at all. Carlene “put the c*** back into country” Cash was exactly his type and vice versa.

    Preacher’s Kid Syndrome.

  222. @Alden
    Why don’t you start your own I hate women because I’m not getting any blog?

    One thing I’m continually shocked about UNZ male commenters is how obsessed they are with fertility but only seem to have 1,2, or no children?

    Sometimes this site is like a Henry 8 movie with Henry and everyone else going psycho because with all those wives and mistresses he could only produce 2 kids who lived past 18.

    What is this, a support group for people fertility clinics couldn’t help?

    Why don’t you start your own I hate women because I’m not getting any blog?

    I don’t think anyone would read it. I’m not much of a writer, really; I’m mainly just, like, a comment guy. Do you really think I should start a blog?

  223. @Tusk
    "that marriage, unless to an exceptional man, is often a ‘bad bargain’ for women."

    What makes women so exceptional that the average layman wins by getting married? Considering the droves of tattooed, uncouth, and extremely in debt (PhD's in Gender Studies don't come cheap!) women don't seem to have their lives together it seems like an economic loss to get involved with such types. What is the benefit? What do they provide me, or anyone, besides economic incentives (if they get a job) and relations, these people don't want to reproduce, they want to live in tiny cuckshed houses, pittbulls as pets, probably spend all their time protesting, won't cook, won't do any household chores, what is the point.

    You need to get out more. You must not know any marriageable women. The ones you describe are a minority. The ones you want are a majority, but they are not loud and obnoxious enough to gain your attention.

    Embrace a theologically conservative version of Christianity. Find a church and become a worker bee in that church. (Make sure it is big enough to have a relatively large number of nubile candidates.) Work, and work hard there. Solve their problems. Be a gentleman. Pay attention to the nubiles. Look for symmetry. If you have physical, intellectual or spiritual defects, don’t target Shannon Breem as a potential spouse. For example, if you like the symphony, and she prefers watching the professional bull riders, move on. Don’t expect to marry Miss America or Miss Rodeo Queen.

    You can make this work, but don’t listen Whiskey and the Eeyore brigade. It won’t be easy, but it will be worthwhile.

    We will all die, and no one wants to die alone, unmissed and unmourned. If you have no children, or if you have them and you neglect them, you will die alone, unmissed and unmourned. And that is just the materialist perspective. If you reject materialism, you have an even greater motivation to embrace something more than just you.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    It sounds like a country song in and of itself, but it's true. Believe it or not as you will, I don't care.

    I was at the steel guitar convention and got into a conversation with a fellow attendee. He was of the "urban cowboy" type and was starting out on steel guitar, having bought an expensive doubleneck pedal steel and all the trimmings at the show there last year.

    I asked him why he got into steel guitar and he eventually allowed as to how his real goal was to be good enough to be in the road band of a certain country queen who was then just fading out on the charts. She'd had a fair career and was not considered "the greatest ever" by anyone (so no, we are not talking Miss BJ Backjaw with the big J-200....) but she definitely had some fans amongst the country cognoscenti and had more than a couple of Number Ones on her greatest hits roster. He was apparently really obsessed with her.

    I thought no more of it but a couple of years later while doing some work for a broadcast equipment manufacturer, I was in a big country market's big FM station and this woman comes in for an interview. I ran into her later and to make a long story short we wound up getting very friendly for the night. I think it was a question of "who dares wins" because mostly she's around country fans who would be pretty intimidated by her star status. She was about ten years my senior and she was, well, like any other woman, only just a little more so maybe. The actual relations were nothing special, but it seemed like more fun than playing canasta at the time, if you know what I mean.

    Definitely the most famous woman I've ever been with, to this day.

    At any rate I'm at the steel guitar convention the next Labor Day (I went a lot because, well, it's in St. Louis and I was living close by and had little else to do) and sure enough Mr. Fanboy was still there. i couldn't resist talking to him, asking about his progress , that kind of thing. He allowed as to how he was still practicing but wasn't there yet. He still wanted to get good enough to be in a working road band for, you guessed it, the same gal. I asked him if he'd ever met her, you know, because ho did he know she'd be even any good to work for? Of course, he hadn't, he'd seen her live seven or eight times but never actually talked to her or anything. I never let on about my, ahem, knowledge of this woman....I just thought his puppylike admiration was funny. He adored her like she was the Virgin Mary.

    The woman in question is still working on occasion but hasn't went out with a touring road band in a long time. I wonder if that guy is still practicing his steel playing.
    , @Tusk
    I'm married. What I was trying to point out (my fault that I wasn't being clear) is that the types of people who write these types of articles, these hyper-feminists, who declare that nobody is good enough for themand that they would prefer to die alone really don't offer anything to the traditional man, making them useless.

    I do think, and believe, that a large portion of women are perfectly fine but the irony comes from the fact that the least desirable of the bunch seem to believe they are the best of. Completely upside down morality system coupled with a delusional sense of self-worth.

    And I certainly agree the materialist perspective of life is inherently worthless. I can trace my family back at least 400 years and it provides a different perspective on the social/familial dynamic when I can read about the things my ancestors have done. I think the best we can do is try to form harmonious family units and pass on familial and cultural history to our descendants. The world is an old place and the modern smartphone and social media culture is so vapid that if people only experience the here and now, forgetting their past before the fabled 21st century, then the world is going to be much worse off.
  224. @The Wild Geese Howard

    I’ve fucked scores of women, beatiful and otherwise,
     
    /r/thathappened

    Buddy, it says a lot more about you than me that you’re incredulous that a guy could have a lot of girlfriends over twenty-five years of being single.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    Uh, I'm not the one who showed up here bragging about my prowess.
  225. @epochehusserl
    so you are admitting that most people dont think you have contributed anything?

    “so you are admitting that most people dont think you have contributed anything?”

    No. I am saying that most people here will not admit that they are slaves to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that affirms their prior beliefs or hypotheses.

    • Replies: @Bel Riose
    Actually, you really don't have anything of value to contribute.

    You carefully avoid making independent comments of your own. Instead, your whole schtick consists of responding to comments made by others (your responses, btw, are typically the acme of pedantry), and usually ending your statements with a rather breathless exhortation along the lines of "And what are YOU going to do about it?" or "So what have YOU done to change --- which you are complaining about?"

    You're a moron, who only has only one play in his intellectual playbook.

  226. @Daniel Williams
    Fuck, man. I’m not trying to be an asshole, but surely you see that yours is precisely the same argument as the feminist harridan’s, just in reverse?

    Yes, white women today are gross. Honestly, they’re fucking disgusting. No one would touch one without an insurance policy and a booster shot. But they’re OUR women. They’re what we got. We can’t make additional whites without them.

    You win, by getting married, by having a human woman by your side, producing your children, supporting you in whatever pathetic way she can (given the circumstances) while you try to do better by the next round of souls to inhabit this miserable rock.

    There is no other alternative. Dying alone to prove some kind of point only benefits the Jews. Yes, our white women are repulsive whores; but without us, who will steward them out of this behavior? We cannot reproduce without them. It is literally impossible.

    “Yes, white women today are gross. Honestly, they’re fucking disgusting.”

    Please seek counseling. Seriously.

    “supporting you in whatever pathetic way she can (given the circumstances)”

    That’s not true.

    “Dying alone to prove some kind of point only benefits the Jews.”

    LOL. No.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
    You’re really phoning it in tonight.
  227. @Whiskey
    They are your enemy too. They'll vote in a heartbeat to take your car and house and money.

    You might want to live under a bridge while slaving away for Globohomo and you bug ration. I'd rather have every White woman in the West married and invested in my interest.

    “They are your enemy too. They’ll vote in a heartbeat to take your car and house and money.”

    Just your stuff.

  228. @Counterinsurgency

    Yes, our white women are repulsive whores; but without us, who will steward them out of this behavior? We cannot reproduce without them. It is literally impossible.
     
    And sometimes they're so badly hurt that they're just nonfunctional, can't be stewarded out of it. Women have a high degree of Agreeableness, but unfortunately it's to society in general and other women in particular as opposed to men in general and their husband in particular. If society tells them to, a surprising fraction of women will go full bore Medea [1] or Clytemnestra [2] on a man who has done nothing except be away at work too many hours a week, or (less severe case) destroy anything in the family that the woman doesn't like.

    This suggests that the real culprit in this is "society". If men want functional women, people who will actually look out for their own welfare and that of their children, men will have to re-make society so that it tells women to do that. As it is now, "dying alone" like Medea or Clytemnestra (who did leave descendants, suicidal ones) is the ultimate praiseworthy goal for women, who are told that this will deliver the ideal husband to them, or at least a rewarding life [3, 4]. The actual women I've seen who tried this do not seem happy with themselves, and in some cases are so wrapped up in pretending that everything has worked out well that they appear mildly psychotic.

    The above lie is horribly cruel, and should be treated as such. Society must be changed until the lie is no longer told [6].

    As Daniel Williams points out, there isn't really any alternative save, perhaps, extinction.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://www.ancient-literature.com/greece_euripides_medea.html

    2] https://www.greekmythology.com/Myths/Mortals/Clytemnestra/clytemnestra.html

    3] Shell Silverstein quote:
    Tell kids: 'Ernie is the giant who lives in the ceiling. If you throw an egg at the ceiling and yell 'Catch, Ernie', then Ernie will reach down an catch the egg!"
    Or, as they saying goes,
    "You'll never know until you try it, and after that it's too late."

    4] Mammalian brains change after menarche, and again after giving birth [5]. In a way, not marrying is a way to preserve the woman's present mind, which may not look forward to being transformed into a mind preoccupied by keeping its baby alive.

    5] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pregnancy-causes-lasting-changes-in-a-womans-brain/
    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/01/what-happens-to-a-womans-brain-when-she-becomes-a-mother/384179/

    6] Historically, ending this lie has been accomplished by ending the security and prosperity that made women able to believe it. Once it's obvious that men are fighting for their lives and a bit malnourished to boot, women tend to value the men a bit more. If everything else fails and things get that bad, the lie goes away. One would hope there was some other way to do it.

    “If society tells them to, a surprising fraction of women will go full bore Medea [1] or Clytemnestra [2] on a man who has done nothing except be away at work too many hours a week, or (less severe case) destroy anything in the family that the woman doesn’t like.”

    That’s not what really happens.

    “If men want functional women, people who will actually look out for their own welfare and that of their children, men will have to re-make society so that it tells women to do that.”

    Actually, today’s women are functional, and men have made a society where they generally prefer women as they are now.

  229. @Thea
    I hear ya.

    I believe boomers couldn’t fully understand the nuclear wrecking ball that hit our social and mating world. They grew up when people who knew each other and got along just got married. They couldn’t understand how different the world was for the next generation. It’s as if they were blind to the new sexual reality.

    Yes they can. No they didn’t. Yes, they could. No it’s not.

  230. @peterike
    My favorite part of these kinds of Progressive woe-is-me pieces is the crack-pot assumptions they always contain. Here's an example:

    She said she bought into society’s deafening message that being with a man – any man – is better than being alone,
     
    Deafening message? I, for one, don't know if I have ever heard that message. What I have heard, thousands of times, is silly women telling me I've heard that message. Is there a term for this? Echo-chamber-itis?

    You know, Progressives spend so much time telling people that they're hearing something that they're not at all hearing, that they think they actually are hearing it. This syndrome is pandemic among the Woke. Another one is the spiel that entertainment media is always showing us black men as thugs and bad guys. Really?? That's as far from the truth as one can possibly be, yet you hear it repeated constantly. And still, all I see on TV are black doctors and lawyers and computer nerds and well off black men dating white women. Where are all the thugs?

    A key to this is that these assertions are almost never followed by actual examples. It's just asserted and assumed to be true. OF COURSE it's true! How can you even ask?

    It's a very strange part of clown world.

    “My favorite part of these kinds of Progressive woe-is-me pieces is the crack-pot assumptions they always contain…”

    Excellent observation. This is a way for the media to slip in messages when the reader is busy distracted by the main point. Another one I constantly see goes like “With the rise in sexual assault against women…” It’s a lie. Sexual violence has actually gone way down since the 1990s.

    The other thing they do is rewrite history, claiming the past was more “oppressive” than it actually was. Before 1970, American’s didn’t live in a 24/7 war zone against women and minorities. The popularity of Motown and countless female authors might be the first tip off to that…

  231. @theMann
    Three words dude:

    Venezuelan Refugee Bride.



    White enough.
    Hot enough.
    Pleasant enough.



    I am seriously tired of guys whining about marriage. Do you: have a decent job? Brush your teeth? Dress well? Talk without swearing? Have any ability whatsoever to take care of yourself in fight?
    Congratulations, you are quality marriage material. Act like it.

    Do you: have a decent job? Brush your teeth? Dress well? Talk without swearing? Have any ability whatsoever to take care of yourself in fight?

    Oh please.

    I have all of this and more.

    I may as well be the Invisible Man.

  232. @Bubba
    I'm not a jealous person, but I am jealous that you got to see them and were right there. :-)

    Still amazed that Nick Lowe was married to Carlene Carter whose mother is June Carter Cash.

    History doesn’t stop where you want it to.

    Yes, Carlene Carter was great, and heralded a great melodic and artistic movement in country songwriting and performing that was quickly squanched for, I don’t know, hats and models and autotune and HW Jr. clones out-assholing one another.

    But she quickly became a truly frightening junkie and that was all she wrote.

  233. @Daniel Williams
    Buddy, it says a lot more about you than me that you’re incredulous that a guy could have a lot of girlfriends over twenty-five years of being single.

    Uh, I’m not the one who showed up here bragging about my prowess.

  234. @Corvinus
    "Yes, white women today are gross. Honestly, they’re fucking disgusting."

    Please seek counseling. Seriously.

    "supporting you in whatever pathetic way she can (given the circumstances)"

    That's not true.

    "Dying alone to prove some kind of point only benefits the Jews."

    LOL. No.

    You’re really phoning it in tonight.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "You’re really phoning it in tonight."

    LOL, no. Your wild accusations are easily refutable.
  235. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson 3
    You need to get out more. You must not know any marriageable women. The ones you describe are a minority. The ones you want are a majority, but they are not loud and obnoxious enough to gain your attention.

    Embrace a theologically conservative version of Christianity. Find a church and become a worker bee in that church. (Make sure it is big enough to have a relatively large number of nubile candidates.) Work, and work hard there. Solve their problems. Be a gentleman. Pay attention to the nubiles. Look for symmetry. If you have physical, intellectual or spiritual defects, don't target Shannon Breem as a potential spouse. For example, if you like the symphony, and she prefers watching the professional bull riders, move on. Don't expect to marry Miss America or Miss Rodeo Queen.

    You can make this work, but don't listen Whiskey and the Eeyore brigade. It won't be easy, but it will be worthwhile.

    We will all die, and no one wants to die alone, unmissed and unmourned. If you have no children, or if you have them and you neglect them, you will die alone, unmissed and unmourned. And that is just the materialist perspective. If you reject materialism, you have an even greater motivation to embrace something more than just you.

    It sounds like a country song in and of itself, but it’s true. Believe it or not as you will, I don’t care.

    I was at the steel guitar convention and got into a conversation with a fellow attendee. He was of the “urban cowboy” type and was starting out on steel guitar, having bought an expensive doubleneck pedal steel and all the trimmings at the show there last year.

    I asked him why he got into steel guitar and he eventually allowed as to how his real goal was to be good enough to be in the road band of a certain country queen who was then just fading out on the charts. She’d had a fair career and was not considered “the greatest ever” by anyone (so no, we are not talking Miss BJ Backjaw with the big J-200….) but she definitely had some fans amongst the country cognoscenti and had more than a couple of Number Ones on her greatest hits roster. He was apparently really obsessed with her.

    I thought no more of it but a couple of years later while doing some work for a broadcast equipment manufacturer, I was in a big country market’s big FM station and this woman comes in for an interview. I ran into her later and to make a long story short we wound up getting very friendly for the night. I think it was a question of “who dares wins” because mostly she’s around country fans who would be pretty intimidated by her star status. She was about ten years my senior and she was, well, like any other woman, only just a little more so maybe. The actual relations were nothing special, but it seemed like more fun than playing canasta at the time, if you know what I mean.

    Definitely the most famous woman I’ve ever been with, to this day.

    At any rate I’m at the steel guitar convention the next Labor Day (I went a lot because, well, it’s in St. Louis and I was living close by and had little else to do) and sure enough Mr. Fanboy was still there. i couldn’t resist talking to him, asking about his progress , that kind of thing. He allowed as to how he was still practicing but wasn’t there yet. He still wanted to get good enough to be in a working road band for, you guessed it, the same gal. I asked him if he’d ever met her, you know, because ho did he know she’d be even any good to work for? Of course, he hadn’t, he’d seen her live seven or eight times but never actually talked to her or anything. I never let on about my, ahem, knowledge of this woman….I just thought his puppylike admiration was funny. He adored her like she was the Virgin Mary.

    The woman in question is still working on occasion but hasn’t went out with a touring road band in a long time. I wonder if that guy is still practicing his steel playing.

  236. @Whiskey
    Referring to Hitschman. I don't care about women's choices except as it in aggregate informs policy. Like taking my car.

    I know who my enemies are as they tell me over and over : gays Blacks and suburban White women.

    I know who my enemies are…………….

    And I know who aren’t my friends: fake Scotsmen, whose oft revealed interests clearly don’t align with mine.

  237. @Charles Erwin Wilson 3
    You need to get out more. You must not know any marriageable women. The ones you describe are a minority. The ones you want are a majority, but they are not loud and obnoxious enough to gain your attention.

    Embrace a theologically conservative version of Christianity. Find a church and become a worker bee in that church. (Make sure it is big enough to have a relatively large number of nubile candidates.) Work, and work hard there. Solve their problems. Be a gentleman. Pay attention to the nubiles. Look for symmetry. If you have physical, intellectual or spiritual defects, don't target Shannon Breem as a potential spouse. For example, if you like the symphony, and she prefers watching the professional bull riders, move on. Don't expect to marry Miss America or Miss Rodeo Queen.

    You can make this work, but don't listen Whiskey and the Eeyore brigade. It won't be easy, but it will be worthwhile.

    We will all die, and no one wants to die alone, unmissed and unmourned. If you have no children, or if you have them and you neglect them, you will die alone, unmissed and unmourned. And that is just the materialist perspective. If you reject materialism, you have an even greater motivation to embrace something more than just you.

    I’m married. What I was trying to point out (my fault that I wasn’t being clear) is that the types of people who write these types of articles, these hyper-feminists, who declare that nobody is good enough for themand that they would prefer to die alone really don’t offer anything to the traditional man, making them useless.

    I do think, and believe, that a large portion of women are perfectly fine but the irony comes from the fact that the least desirable of the bunch seem to believe they are the best of. Completely upside down morality system coupled with a delusional sense of self-worth.

    And I certainly agree the materialist perspective of life is inherently worthless. I can trace my family back at least 400 years and it provides a different perspective on the social/familial dynamic when I can read about the things my ancestors have done. I think the best we can do is try to form harmonious family units and pass on familial and cultural history to our descendants. The world is an old place and the modern smartphone and social media culture is so vapid that if people only experience the here and now, forgetting their past before the fabled 21st century, then the world is going to be much worse off.

  238. @AnotherDad

    The probability that any of your line does anything of lasting note (something that makes their name known, 100 years after their birth, outside a circle of 100 people) between now and the heat-death of the universe, is staggeringly low.
     
    For a "techno" anything, your mathematical analysis here is strikingly poor.

    The actual probability--assuming your line does not relatively quickly die out--is, of course, 1. It's an absolute certainty.

    The actual probability–assuming your line does not relatively quickly die out–is, of course, 1. It’s an absolute certainty.

    You’re doing the typical naive binomial-tree (the retarded one that that implies that everyone’s descended from Genghis Khan or some other shit), and propagating the same stupidity forwards.

    The unconditional probability that any human in the current cohort does anything of long term consequence (that results in their name being remembered, a century after the event, by more than 100 people), is ~1:70-million, assuming that of the current human population, about a thousand people’s names will be widely-known in a century (seems charitable).

    Those unconditional probabilities are uncorrelated over time, so the joint probability that one of your descendants makes the cut is the product of the marginal probabilities. They’re near enough to zero within each generation, so plim(Π) → 0.

    The weak correlation introduced in cousin-fucking cultures (like the Bayou People, Pakistanis and the Ashkenazim), are offset by other confounders…e.g., the hereditary diseases that arise in cousin-fucking cultures.

    That might make an interesting assignment question for grade 10 maths: you would grab at the ‘obvious’ easy answer, and you would be wrong.

  239. @Dieter Kief

    Remember, most women are bad at making big decisions. But are very good at rationalizing those decisions afterwords.
     
    To rationalize is part of our survival kit - all neurotic defense mechanisms are. That's how we get along, not least socially: By neglecting, lying, avoiding, downplaying etc. etc. - all kinds of truths. Truth is a sharp edged thing. Women understand that perfectly well and don't care too much therefor.

    (I think, that Raymond Chandler would have agreed).

    Result: Women usually get along better than men do. Life is unfair - not least to nerds...

    Btw. I didn't know this bonmot by Carl Schmidt, one of the more eminent figures in European (?) history of the mind of the 20th century, who greatly influenced (amongst others) Leo Straus: "Only a person who has had such big troubles to decide for himself could have come up with a Theory of Decesiveness****." (My translation).

    **** saying that politics is less about being right than about knowing that things have to be done. Politics thus for Schmitt is the acceptance of diverging interests and vital (=unavoidable) conflict between nations/states. Thus the importance of the enemy for politics. - For Derrida, Schmitt was interesting, because Schmitt too in his eyes, had a knack for the other/ otherness as a structural necessity of our existence.

    Dieter, you know I think highly of you, but I’ve never heard anyone seriously assert that women get along better than do men.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    JMcG - I hate to contradict you, but - women live longer than men, and the number of women being homeless is much lower than that of men - this list could be continued: Drug addicts, prison inmates, traffic-accidents, dead extreme-hikers, wingsuit-flyers and mountaineers, heart attacks, cancer rates... a long list, isn't it?
  240. @Daniel Williams
    You’re really phoning it in tonight.

    “You’re really phoning it in tonight.”

    LOL, no. Your wild accusations are easily refutable.

  241. It’s great that more and more feminists are embracing their identity as evolutionary dead ends. Avoids pollution of the gene pool! May be there be two, three, many (tens of millions) of feminist evolutionary dead ends.

  242. @Tusk
    "that marriage, unless to an exceptional man, is often a ‘bad bargain’ for women."

    What makes women so exceptional that the average layman wins by getting married? Considering the droves of tattooed, uncouth, and extremely in debt (PhD's in Gender Studies don't come cheap!) women don't seem to have their lives together it seems like an economic loss to get involved with such types. What is the benefit? What do they provide me, or anyone, besides economic incentives (if they get a job) and relations, these people don't want to reproduce, they want to live in tiny cuckshed houses, pittbulls as pets, probably spend all their time protesting, won't cook, won't do any household chores, what is the point.

    There is no point. Go your own way. Rent their services when necessary.

  243. @Reg Cæsar
    "Madge"-- not Palmolive's-- shares her views on age and patriarchy:

    Madonna at 60: Still Blaming the Patriarchy

    Money bray: “...further proof that the N.Y.T is one of the founding fathers of the Patriarchy.”

    You heard it, from the immaterial girl herself.

    The sad fact I find about Madonna is that she had to arrange (I don’t know if that means payment or some other larger favor) to have her first child…so even at the height of her fame and beauty she couldn’t find someone willing to have a long enough relationship with her in order to have a child without being compensated…

    So the father of her first child could almost be seen as a surrogate donor father.

    I found that very moving and sad.

    • Replies: @anon
    ...even at the height of her fame and beauty she couldn’t find someone willing up to her standards to have a long enough relationship with her....

    Hypergamy can be a real bitch.
    , @Anonymous
    No woman and certainly not Madonna has to work very hard to find some live sperm shooting male who will bust inside her, especially after a little booze. Her selection of a mestizo exercise coach to sire her first offspring when she probably could have had an astronaut, a Navy SEAL, or a HoF-bound MLB player does seem bizarre to me.

    If she did work this out before the deed was done I guess it shows a certain decency on her part.
    , @JMcG
    I am only a little younger than Madonna and I never found her beautiful at all. She was always trash, trash that tried way too hard. She couldn’t have paid me enough to put a child in her.
  244. @Arclight
    I don't know - a lot of times people who are most vehement know they are wrong but feel they cannot back off of the ledge they have put themselves on.

    I do think you are right about journalism attracting people with high verbal IQ and neuroticism. I know several people who write for a living and have national platforms, and while definitely smart they generally they have their perspective and everything is funneled through that, and each of them have a somewhat nervous energy to them. They also seem a little unaware of how their personality/behavior sometimes leaves people scratching their heads a bit - they aren't autistic or Asperger people, but maybe live a bit inside their own heads more than the average person. I like each of them on a personal level, but with one exception they have definitely chosen a side (the left, of course) and I cannot think of an example of them writing something that goes against orthodoxy.

    “I don’t know – a lot of times people who are most vehement know they are wrong but feel they cannot back off of the ledge they have put themselves on.”

    Would you put yourself in that category? How about our esteemed blog host?

    “I know several people who write for a living and have national platforms…”

    Like who? Be specific.

    “I do think you are right about journalism attracting people with high verbal IQ and neuroticism.”

    Including the authors at unz.com?

    “and while definitely smart they generally they have their perspective and everything is funneled through that, and each of them have a somewhat nervous energy to them.”

    So in other words, confirmation bias plays a definitive role in how one crafts a narrative. Thanks for NOTICING.

  245. @Corvinus
    "so you are admitting that most people dont think you have contributed anything?"

    No. I am saying that most people here will not admit that they are slaves to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that affirms their prior beliefs or hypotheses.

    Actually, you really don’t have anything of value to contribute.

    You carefully avoid making independent comments of your own. Instead, your whole schtick consists of responding to comments made by others (your responses, btw, are typically the acme of pedantry), and usually ending your statements with a rather breathless exhortation along the lines of “And what are YOU going to do about it?” or “So what have YOU done to change — which you are complaining about?”

    You’re a moron, who only has only one play in his intellectual playbook.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Actually, you really don’t have anything of value to contribute."

    Actually, I contribute substantially to the level of discourse here, as evident my prescient posts and feedback from both (few) fans and (mostly) detractors. But I get why you talk this way, because I bring up things that, if you chose to be introspective, would give you paus.

    "You carefully avoid making independent comments of your own."

    That would be Fake News on your part.

    "along the lines of “And what are YOU going to do about it?” or “So what have YOU done to change — which you are complaining about?”

    Indeed. There are a number of keyboard armchair warriors, like yourself, you constantly lament about how the hordes have been spilling out of the Trojan Horse, yet when it comes to defending against this "attack", they channel their inner Bil Keane and say "Not Me".

    "You’re a moron, who only has only one play in his intellectual playbook."

    All of your lies belong to us.
  246. How horrible a person must one be to marry someone you knew “wasn’t right for you”?

  247. @Steve Sailer
    I saw Carlene Carter in the 1990s. I think Nick Lowe was playing bass for her. She did his "I Knew the Bride When She Used to Rock and Roll."

    She was a really wild as a teenager and then in ’80 or ’81 when I heard over the car radio they were husband and wife I said “Are you kidding me?” out loud. My friends just laughed and said, “Who is she?”

    Anyway, I never met Nick Lowe, but when I was a young teenager he struck me as extremely talented, very cool and seriously devoted to his craft. Then while in college I admired what seemed (to me) to be his disciplined business savvy in a very crowded field. But I never thought he would marry a wild woman like her where you end up wasting alot of time and money dealing with her narcissism.

  248. @Kronos
    True, there’s a major (though hushed) reason doctors recommend having someone with you while delivering bad news. It’s to have a spare driver ready. Women have a tendency of driving in to things (and sometimes people) after the medical visit. You send them off just to see them 15 min later in the ER from driving into a tree.

    You obviously aren’t in the auto insurance business. It’s men who have the most accidents, not women. It’s from drinking, being careless, machismo, “ I can make that yellow light, I can make the left turn before the light turns”.

    Not my opinion, auto accident statistics.

    Another misogynistic old women hater heard from.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    Women are generally safer drivers, not better drivers. (Or at least in the pre-cell phone era.)

    Men typically possess superior visual-spatial skills. Thus they often drive faster and engage in bigger risks. Because of that increased ability, it’s a “the bigger they are, the harder they fall” car insurance statistical reality.

    https://www.cheapcarinsurance.net/10-reasons-why-men-are-better-drivers-than-women/

    When women engage in risky car behavior, they’re often very bad at it.

    https://youtu.be/g1lIbDLM7CM
  249. @The Wild Geese Howard

    I’ve fucked scores of women, beatiful and otherwise,
     
    /r/thathappened

    He’s probably telling the the truth about the numbers, although who knows what he considers beautiful. Especially at 1/45 am with his beer goggles on.

  250. @Bel Riose
    Actually, you really don't have anything of value to contribute.

    You carefully avoid making independent comments of your own. Instead, your whole schtick consists of responding to comments made by others (your responses, btw, are typically the acme of pedantry), and usually ending your statements with a rather breathless exhortation along the lines of "And what are YOU going to do about it?" or "So what have YOU done to change --- which you are complaining about?"

    You're a moron, who only has only one play in his intellectual playbook.

    “Actually, you really don’t have anything of value to contribute.”

    Actually, I contribute substantially to the level of discourse here, as evident my prescient posts and feedback from both (few) fans and (mostly) detractors. But I get why you talk this way, because I bring up things that, if you chose to be introspective, would give you paus.

    “You carefully avoid making independent comments of your own.”

    That would be Fake News on your part.

    “along the lines of “And what are YOU going to do about it?” or “So what have YOU done to change — which you are complaining about?”

    Indeed. There are a number of keyboard armchair warriors, like yourself, you constantly lament about how the hordes have been spilling out of the Trojan Horse, yet when it comes to defending against this “attack”, they channel their inner Bil Keane and say “Not Me”.

    “You’re a moron, who only has only one play in his intellectual playbook.”

    All of your lies belong to us.

  251. @JMcG
    Dieter, you know I think highly of you, but I’ve never heard anyone seriously assert that women get along better than do men.

    JMcG – I hate to contradict you, but – women live longer than men, and the number of women being homeless is much lower than that of men – this list could be continued: Drug addicts, prison inmates, traffic-accidents, dead extreme-hikers, wingsuit-flyers and mountaineers, heart attacks, cancer rates… a long list, isn’t it?

    • Replies: @JMcG
    I’m sorry, I misunderstood you. I thought that you meant to say that women get along with each other better than do men. Your assertion is of course, correct.
    , @Kronos
    Typically, women can find a home real quick.

    https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.instantcheckmate.com%2Fimages%2Fposts%2FDecember2017%2Fprostitute-bending-over-in-car.jpg&f=1&nofb=1
  252. @Alden
    You obviously aren’t in the auto insurance business. It’s men who have the most accidents, not women. It’s from drinking, being careless, machismo, “ I can make that yellow light, I can make the left turn before the light turns”.

    Not my opinion, auto accident statistics.

    Another misogynistic old women hater heard from.

    Women are generally safer drivers, not better drivers. (Or at least in the pre-cell phone era.)

    Men typically possess superior visual-spatial skills. Thus they often drive faster and engage in bigger risks. Because of that increased ability, it’s a “the bigger they are, the harder they fall” car insurance statistical reality.

    https://www.cheapcarinsurance.net/10-reasons-why-men-are-better-drivers-than-women/

    When women engage in risky car behavior, they’re often very bad at it.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Usually men have better skills but also big egos and get impatient or seek out a little risk while women are more risk averse.

    That said when I drove trucks we had some women who were phenomenally smooth and ‘professional’ in their truck handling, shifting and parking skills, and some that were marginally acceptable, and not many in between. My friends on the railroad tell me that’s true of girl hogheads too, they are either really good or not at all.
  253. @nymom
    The sad fact I find about Madonna is that she had to arrange (I don't know if that means payment or some other larger favor) to have her first child...so even at the height of her fame and beauty she couldn't find someone willing to have a long enough relationship with her in order to have a child without being compensated...

    So the father of her first child could almost be seen as a surrogate donor father.

    I found that very moving and sad.

    …even at the height of her fame and beauty she couldn’t find someone willing up to her standards to have a long enough relationship with her….

    Hypergamy can be a real bitch.

  254. Anonymous[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @nymom
    The sad fact I find about Madonna is that she had to arrange (I don't know if that means payment or some other larger favor) to have her first child...so even at the height of her fame and beauty she couldn't find someone willing to have a long enough relationship with her in order to have a child without being compensated...

    So the father of her first child could almost be seen as a surrogate donor father.

    I found that very moving and sad.

    No woman and certainly not Madonna has to work very hard to find some live sperm shooting male who will bust inside her, especially after a little booze. Her selection of a mestizo exercise coach to sire her first offspring when she probably could have had an astronaut, a Navy SEAL, or a HoF-bound MLB player does seem bizarre to me.

    If she did work this out before the deed was done I guess it shows a certain decency on her part.

  255. Anonymous[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kronos
    Women are generally safer drivers, not better drivers. (Or at least in the pre-cell phone era.)

    Men typically possess superior visual-spatial skills. Thus they often drive faster and engage in bigger risks. Because of that increased ability, it’s a “the bigger they are, the harder they fall” car insurance statistical reality.

    https://www.cheapcarinsurance.net/10-reasons-why-men-are-better-drivers-than-women/

    When women engage in risky car behavior, they’re often very bad at it.

    https://youtu.be/g1lIbDLM7CM

    Usually men have better skills but also big egos and get impatient or seek out a little risk while women are more risk averse.

    That said when I drove trucks we had some women who were phenomenally smooth and ‘professional’ in their truck handling, shifting and parking skills, and some that were marginally acceptable, and not many in between. My friends on the railroad tell me that’s true of girl hogheads too, they are either really good or not at all.

  256. @Bardon Kaldian
    “Man's love is of man's life a thing apart,
    'Tis woman's whole existence.”

    ― George Gordon Byron

    Schopenhauer says much the same thing in On Women.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    Schopenhauer regularly read English newspapers & books. Also, Byron was a huge influence in that era. And, Schopenhauer's essay was published, I think, after 1850....

    I would give precedence to Byron, but it could be they had been just writing independently.
  257. @nymom
    The sad fact I find about Madonna is that she had to arrange (I don't know if that means payment or some other larger favor) to have her first child...so even at the height of her fame and beauty she couldn't find someone willing to have a long enough relationship with her in order to have a child without being compensated...

    So the father of her first child could almost be seen as a surrogate donor father.

    I found that very moving and sad.

    I am only a little younger than Madonna and I never found her beautiful at all. She was always trash, trash that tried way too hard. She couldn’t have paid me enough to put a child in her.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    She was not as pretty as Debbie Harry, not as good a singer and damn sure not as good an actress. Neither had a great female body, Madge was buffer. She worked a lot harder and went for pure commercial pop success. D was an artsy type that regarded the whole thing as a Warholian pop art project.

    I've never bought a Madonna record but have to admire her sheer work ethic and level of success. She's done alright for a girl and then some.

    Underneath her constant provocation of the extant order, there is still the Italian Catholic girl who lost her mother at a young age. I don't agree with a lot of the stuff she says but she is not stupid, and not crazy.
  258. @Dieter Kief
    JMcG - I hate to contradict you, but - women live longer than men, and the number of women being homeless is much lower than that of men - this list could be continued: Drug addicts, prison inmates, traffic-accidents, dead extreme-hikers, wingsuit-flyers and mountaineers, heart attacks, cancer rates... a long list, isn't it?

    I’m sorry, I misunderstood you. I thought that you meant to say that women get along with each other better than do men. Your assertion is of course, correct.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    Oh now I see - and agree with you, too. Fun fact in this hindsight: The profession with the highest rates of mobbing in Germany is one with an extraordinarily high level of females: Social workers!

    (Jordan B. Peterson knows about such troubles quite a lot and says, that women tend to avoid fights and confrontations and conflict. Therefore, if they actually have to somehow master one, they often times fight quite unfair. - Interesting subject for further investigations!
  259. @Alden
    Author is an idiot. Women live a lot longer than men. So it’s not husbands who care for old women, it’s the children and grandchildren. If you don’t have kids, use all that money you didn’t spend in kids to buy one of those good nursing home insurance policies. Being affirmative action government employees, black women have the best pensions of all middle class people.

    Some of those long term nursing care insurance plans went bust because claims were much more expensive than the old historic trend. Most insurance companies exited the business entirely, others closed the plans to new enrollees.

  260. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose
    'The Patriarchy.' Is that what she calls her many baby daddies?

    She only has two, athletic trainer Carlos Leon and British film director Guy Ritchie. She was married to the latter.

    Leon parlayed inseminating Madonna into a modest film career of his own. He is said, as is consistent with Madge’s known predilections, to be seriously bejingled. However, he has had the good taste to stay out of adult films.

  261. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @JMcG
    I am only a little younger than Madonna and I never found her beautiful at all. She was always trash, trash that tried way too hard. She couldn’t have paid me enough to put a child in her.

    She was not as pretty as Debbie Harry, not as good a singer and damn sure not as good an actress. Neither had a great female body, Madge was buffer. She worked a lot harder and went for pure commercial pop success. D was an artsy type that regarded the whole thing as a Warholian pop art project.

    I’ve never bought a Madonna record but have to admire her sheer work ethic and level of success. She’s done alright for a girl and then some.

    Underneath her constant provocation of the extant order, there is still the Italian Catholic girl who lost her mother at a young age. I don’t agree with a lot of the stuff she says but she is not stupid, and not crazy.

  262. @Dieter Kief
    JMcG - I hate to contradict you, but - women live longer than men, and the number of women being homeless is much lower than that of men - this list could be continued: Drug addicts, prison inmates, traffic-accidents, dead extreme-hikers, wingsuit-flyers and mountaineers, heart attacks, cancer rates... a long list, isn't it?
  263. @JMcG
    I’m sorry, I misunderstood you. I thought that you meant to say that women get along with each other better than do men. Your assertion is of course, correct.

    Oh now I see – and agree with you, too. Fun fact in this hindsight: The profession with the highest rates of mobbing in Germany is one with an extraordinarily high level of females: Social workers!

    (Jordan B. Peterson knows about such troubles quite a lot and says, that women tend to avoid fights and confrontations and conflict. Therefore, if they actually have to somehow master one, they often times fight quite unfair. – Interesting subject for further investigations!

  264. I have a different take – I think the preoccupation with “dying alone” reveals a strong neurosis, which is hardly surprising given that women are the more neurotic sex. But it is an unhealthy disorder if it interferes with the normal enjoyment of life activities, which it appears to do. Even more so if the subject has invented this political justification for what is clearly a psychological problem. The level of rationalization and inventiveness involved in self-deception is far below this, which appears far more sophisticated of a delusion so that it can be aimed at deceiving others as well – for a political purpose. It is very calculating. So it is a significant finding; it suggests a degree of sociopathy.

    If the premise of this contrived argument were even remotely true then marriage would cease to exist because it is women who are the choosers in the marital arena. They are the only ones advocating for and pushing matrimony. If it were driven by “the patriarchy”, it wouldn’t exist, because there is literally no benefit to marriage for men and instead only liabilities and disadvantages. (Assume that we’re referring to the United States – not familiar with how it might work elsewhere).

    It is interesting because historically marriages have never been about romantic relationships; they have been about procreation and creating a partnership that enables business and social activities to flourish, with only a small view towards the impact on personal relationships.

    So, marriage has been a vehicle for cementing alliances between families, for creating economic stability through the formation of a nuclear family which allows for the multi-generational processes of the inheritance of assets to continue (which in the past have been based on primogenitor – perhaps this is where the allegations of patriarchal design originate?), and about fulfilling religious obligations (prohibitions against extra-marital sex).

    But traditionally, until the 20th century, it has NOT been about romance or the personal relationship and certainly not about some “emotional fulfillment” purportedly achieved from a marriage. Not really anywhere in the West. But even not here in the US.

    The modern reconceptualization of marriage as a romantic discovery, a union of “soul mates” is a fascinating piece of modern mythology – fostered by the very people who write and consume syrupy Hallmark greeting cards and maudlin made-for-television relationship dramas and trashy romance novels – in other words, women.

    There are two things that strip away the veneer of these deceptions; the infidelity/divorce rate, and the existence of the female spoils system (alimony). These clearly show the charade for what it is.

  265. @Englishman Abroad
    Schopenhauer says much the same thing in On Women.

    Schopenhauer regularly read English newspapers & books. Also, Byron was a huge influence in that era. And, Schopenhauer’s essay was published, I think, after 1850….

    I would give precedence to Byron, but it could be they had been just writing independently.

  266. @Daniel Williams
    I have a delightful, beautiful and decidedly non-vicious wife, but if I had the choice between scoring some nice tail up into my forties and then living a peaceful and quiet late life “alone”, or being legally tied to some horrific hag who hides her self-loathing under the title of feminism, well, there is plenty of good wine to drink, good music to listen to, and good books to read.

    I disagree. I’m thirty-nine. I’ve fucked scores of women, beatiful and otherwise, and I assure you that I would trade the collective experience in a heartbeat for a living heir.

    Books and music gradually become meaningless. They are the excreta of some other souls—the meaningless output of other isolated nobodies trying to make sense of their time in this prison of flesh. They can illuminate or entertain, sure, but compared to the actual reproduction of your human flesh, the fulfillment of your line and genetic destiny, it is all masturbation. You read Plato, sure, and feel elevated; and then you die.

    Wine keeps giving though. I’ll yive you that much.

    In my experience, anyone who boasts that he has “fucked scores of women” is, per usual, full of shit.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Guys who have don’t “boast” of it, usually they realize it’s at best not a big deal once you’ve found the right situation, and maybe oftener than not cause more for regret.
    , @Daniel Williams
    Do you think a person who confesses to you that he drinks too much is “boasting” about it?

    Fucking a bunch of weird-looking chicks out of some kind of dissimulated self-hatred isn’t the kind of behavior a person is proud of—it’s something one prods to diagnose. But thanks for the thoughts.
  267. @ParlaphoneRevolver1980
    In my experience, anyone who boasts that he has "fucked scores of women" is, per usual, full of shit.

    Guys who have don’t “boast” of it, usually they realize it’s at best not a big deal once you’ve found the right situation, and maybe oftener than not cause more for regret.

  268. @PiltdownMan
    Thanks for that. I hadn't heard it in a while and had forgotten about it. I remember walking out of the university library the day before a mid-term exam c. 1979, and stumbling upon Rockpile playing in the quad outside. For some reason, even though Dave Edmunds and Nick Lowe were big on college radio those days, the crowd was thin that day. I watched him and Nick Lowe from the edge of the stage, which was about two feet high. A real treat.

    I saw Rockpile in a small club in Houston in the late 70s and they were great. I never understood why they didn’t hit it big.

    • Agree: Charon
  269. @ParlaphoneRevolver1980
    In my experience, anyone who boasts that he has "fucked scores of women" is, per usual, full of shit.

    Do you think a person who confesses to you that he drinks too much is “boasting” about it?

    Fucking a bunch of weird-looking chicks out of some kind of dissimulated self-hatred isn’t the kind of behavior a person is proud of—it’s something one prods to diagnose. But thanks for the thoughts.

  270. @epochehusserl
    Can anyone point to anything positive that Corvinus has written on this website? Does anyone feel that Corvinus has contributed anything?

    Agreed. He is one commenter that the instant I see his name, I turboscroll down til I’m past whatever harmful lies he’s written.

  271. @Alden
    Like attracts like. Female bar skank attracts male bar skanks.

    Correction here. “Skank” by definition is a female, just as is a “fox”. How could you not know this?

  272. @Ancient Briton
    ... then eaten by cats.

    Dining Alone, by Mr. Meow-Meow III

    Pendant Publishing

    now, in large-print paperback.

  273. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @donvonburg
    The house can usually be saved but most of the stuff in it has to go. All wood furniture or furniture worth reupholstering is savable, stuff in other rooms may be okay depending on airflow. Often times the rotted body is accompanied by significant hoarding and clothes long piled on the floor condemn both the clothes and the carpet even without a dead body in it. If the body was on the floor the floor will probably have to be cut out and patched.

    Depending on the housing market, and the location of the house, even a savable house will often simply be demolished so the buyers can build an entirely new structure to their liking in a desirable subdivision or neighborhood with, ahem, good schools. So the value of the raw ground can actually go up a little, because to buy into an existing desirable community usually one is stuck with the existing houses. Otherwise one would not be permitted to demolish the house, but this usually is an approvable pretext, and if not a mysterious fire usually breaks out, just enough to smoke damage and bring out the FD and its hoses. Every "we buy houses" guy knows a guy who knows a guy who is a pro torch and knows all the tricks to leave no definite evidence. Squirrels with a taste for insulation, spontaneous combustion from linseed oil on certain cloths, whatever.

    Our church has had several people whose parents, aunts or uncles, whatever, have suffered this fate. It happens more and more. It isn't always old people either. There was a case in my neighborhood where a woman in her early fifties died in her sleep-they think sleep apnea heart attack, but can't be sure-and being a divorced empty nester, her daughter came home from her college graduation after not hearing from Mom for over a month. They were not on the best terms, but she assumed Mom would show up or at least call. She opened the door and promptly vomited from the stench: they later figured the mother had been dead roughly a month. They completely gutted and cyanide gassed the house, not even trying to save her impressive library and some fine furniture.

    Later neighbors were queried and admitted that they'd had the occasional whiff of something funky smelling from the house and found it odd her car hadn't moved in a long while, but no one said anything to authorities. These weren't people who didn't call cops, they were white suburbanites who would have but just didn't think that it was significant.

    Some of these deaths are natural, some are suicides, occasionally foul play is involved but when dealing with a sufficiently rotted corpse, it's hard to tell and although forensic anthropology is a thing, it's time and money not usually spent without definite indicators.

    The most repulsive cases are where the single homeowner dies in the swimming pool and is not found for a long time. After a week or so much of the chlorine evaporates off and the water decay really sets in. It's worse than a floater in the lake or river because the pool gets saturated with the putrescent gases and even hardened death professionals tend to barf working these cases.

    Not OT:

    When You Die, I’ll Be There to Take Your Stuff

    I spend my days clearing every last thing from homes of the recently deceased and soon-to-be-departed. The only thing odder is entertaining the cast of characters who swoop in to buy it all up

    https://narratively.com/when-you-die-ill-be-there-to-take-your-stuff/

    (Special feature; talks about Jews and Nazi Stuff, as an aside. ) Author was “raised Jewish”. It is interesting.

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