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From today’s Science Denialism news in The Guardian:

Testosterone Rex triumphs as Royal Society science book of the year

Psychologist Cordelia Fine’s dissection of the myths that sustain assumptions about sexual difference acclaimed by judges as ‘a cracking critique’

‘There are no essential male or female characteristics’ … Cordelia Fine

Tuesday 19 September 2017

A book that rubbishes the idea of “fundamental” differences between men and women has become the 30th winner of the prestigious Royal Society prize for science book of the year.

The psychologist provides more evidence that the inequality of the sexes in society is cultural not natural

Psychologist Cordelia Fine is the third woman in a row to win the £25,000 award, which has been described as the Booker prize for science writing. Her book, Testosterone Rex: Unmaking the Myths of Our Gendered Minds, follows Gaia Vince’s win for Adventures in the Anthropocene in 2015 and Andrea Wulf’s The Invention of Nature in 2016.

Judges of the Royal Society Insight Investment science book prize, which was awarded in London on Tuesday, praised Testosterone Rex for its eye-opening, forensic look at gender stereotypes and its urgent call for change.

… Her 2011 book Delusions of Gender challenged the idea that differences were hardwired into male and female brains.

… In Testosterone Rex, the 42-year-old author concentrates on hormones, writing in the Observer: “There are no essential male or female characteristics – not even when it comes to risk-taking and competitiveness, the traits so often called on to explain why men are more likely to rise to the top.” …

“There have been plenty of books about gender and stereotyping and unconscious bias. What’s original in this book is that she takes apart the science so forensically. I was slightly surprised that it ends with this great call to action, but that is what is refreshing about it,” said Hammond.

 

For a dissenting view on Cordelia Fine’s award-winning book, here’s Greg Cochran’s critique at West Hunter.

 
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    • Replies: @Pericles
    How can you be anti something that doesn't exist?
    , @SMK
    "(T) are no essentail male or female characteristics." "(T)he psychologist provides more evidence that the inequality of the sexes is cultural not natural." This explains why black males as a group are hundreds of times more likely that "Asian" females to commit violent non-sexual crimes: aggravated assault, armed robbery, muggings, gang-shootings, murder, attempted murder, rioting, arson, etc. How many more 100's of times depends on the specific offense, e.g., aggravated assault and homicide vs. muggings and gang-shootings.

    And black males on average are thousands of times more likely than "Asian" females to commit violent sexual assaults. (For obvious anatomical reasons, females can't commit rape in the pure and literal sense of the word.) In all of history, recorded and unrecorded, has an "Asian" female (acting alone without male accomplices) used violence/force or overt threats of same -a weapon or her superior size and strength- to compel a black male to engage in sex-acts "against his will"?

    If socialization and culture are everything, it would be possible to create a society in which "Asian" females were not only as violent and criminal as negro males but, even more ludicrously, far more violent and criminal.
    , @Colleen Pater
    we should all resign from the society
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  2. OMG, are there differences between men and women, or are there not? The science is not settled on this, but it is on the climate and weather?

    I just woke up to Susanna Reid and Piers Morgan on Good Morning Britain, and I can clearly see a physical difference between men and women, but I’m not so sure about the psychological differences, at least in the Western world, any more.

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    • Replies: @Johan Schmidt
    There might be some selection bias if you're using Piers Morgan as the epitome of Manhood, buddy.
    , @Bard of Bumperstickers
    Gender is an artifice thrust upon humanity by toxic masculinity . . . which itself doesn't exist, since gender doesn't. To offer but one example of empirical evidence: almost daily, lesbians drop to their knees in front of me, begging to slobber all over my six-inch clitoris (of which only part was circumcised at birth, unlike women's total genital removal - which doesn't exist, since gender is a . . . etc.). They refer to it as "genito-lingus", since the patriarchal terms "cunnus" and "penis" are derived from toxic, dead white European male rapey domination fantasies.

    iSteve, please forgive my presumption at submitting my job application to work at The Onion here on your blog.

    , @Jake
    Feminism effeminizes men and entire cultures.
    , @SMK
    Biology preceded culture. If culture is everything, then males and females must have acted exactly the same in all ways not directly related to anatomical differences -e.g., males have penises, women vaginas, only females get pregnant, males on average are much bigger and stronger than females and can run faster and jump higher and are more athletic and coordinated- until the creation of societies and then cultures induced and imposed artificial "gender" differences, psychologically and behaviorally, unrelated to anatomy and its generic and absolute effects.
    , @Wally
    Ms. Fine:

    It's called male DNA, female DNA , as in science.

    https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1893/2419/products/s_1592_6bpJwjS3fteCz3UejsVh5LWWrgYrxhWhite_1024x1024.png?v=1502636977
    , @SMK
    In the U.S., its probably true that inner-city black females in their teens and 20's are more violent and criminal than middle-class "Asian" males. Does this mean that females of all races are just as violent and criminal as males of all races, or potentially as violence and criminal if equally situated and socialized? Not in the least. What it means is that race and IQ and age are just as powerful determinants of violence and criminality as sex.
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  3. Obviously there are differences between men and women. Men create companies like Google and Microsoft while women do not.

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    • Replies: @SFG
    And a lot of the women who do used to be men.
    , @Kylie
    Women create companies like Theranos.
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  4. @The Alarmist
    OMG, are there differences between men and women, or are there not? The science is not settled on this, but it is on the climate and weather?

    I just woke up to Susanna Reid and Piers Morgan on Good Morning Britain, and I can clearly see a physical difference between men and women, but I'm not so sure about the psychological differences, at least in the Western world, any more.

    There might be some selection bias if you’re using Piers Morgan as the epitome of Manhood, buddy.

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    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    Wouldn't it be the other way around? I compared Susanna to Piers, but was still able to discern that Susanna was the woman? At least, physically.
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  5. Dear Cordelia inherited the family biz. Let’s give her mother Anne Fine credit for getting in early in the gender fluid racket

    Her books for middle children include Bill’s New Frock (Methuen, 1989) —Wikipedia

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    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    Bill's New Frock is being used in primary schools (age 5 to 11) to spread transsexual propaganda: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill%27s_New_Frock

    The old Jesuit motto needs to be updated:
    "Give me a child until he is seven and I will give you a trans"

    , @Almost Missouri
    From Professor Fine's Wikipedia page:

    Personal life
    Fine lives in Melbourne with her husband and two sons.
     
    Shouldn't that read, "Fine lives in Melbourne with a person of no essential male or female characteristics to whom she is legally attached, and their two spawn."?

    Sheesh. Wait until the good professor finds out about the gender myths that are being written about her family!
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  6. @Clyde
    Dear Cordelia inherited the family biz. Let's give her mother Anne Fine credit for getting in early in the gender fluid racket

    Her books for middle children include Bill's New Frock (Methuen, 1989) ---Wikipedia
     

    Bill’s New Frock is being used in primary schools (age 5 to 11) to spread transsexual propaganda: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill%27s_New_Frock

    The old Jesuit motto needs to be updated:
    “Give me a child until he is seven and I will give you a trans”

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  7. The 1998 winner was none other than Jared Diamond for “Guns, Germs and Steel”.

    This was Diamond’s second win and in 2006 he was a finalist.

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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    Despite inserting some stupid ideas in his introduction, I still think that Jared Diamond is brighter than Cordelia Fine. I did learn some things from reading his book and the next one, "Collapse.".

    He's trying to be politically correct, but not enough to deflect major criticisms because he blamed the collapse of the new world population on imported diseases. It's an article of faith that they were deliberately killed by Conquistadors. He's anathema to that crowd.

    I admit I only saw reviews of Fine's book, but still.

    The ideas were discussed in various reviews and I concluded she was not very bright nor very perceptive. I wasn't prepared to waste time reading the book.
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  8. @The Alarmist
    OMG, are there differences between men and women, or are there not? The science is not settled on this, but it is on the climate and weather?

    I just woke up to Susanna Reid and Piers Morgan on Good Morning Britain, and I can clearly see a physical difference between men and women, but I'm not so sure about the psychological differences, at least in the Western world, any more.

    Gender is an artifice thrust upon humanity by toxic masculinity . . . which itself doesn’t exist, since gender doesn’t. To offer but one example of empirical evidence: almost daily, lesbians drop to their knees in front of me, begging to slobber all over my six-inch clitoris (of which only part was circumcised at birth, unlike women’s total genital removal – which doesn’t exist, since gender is a . . . etc.). They refer to it as “genito-lingus”, since the patriarchal terms “cunnus” and “penis” are derived from toxic, dead white European male rapey domination fantasies.

    iSteve, please forgive my presumption at submitting my job application to work at The Onion here on your blog.

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  9. The judges

    “Professor Richard Fortey FRS FRSL is a palaeontologist, writer and television presenter who worked in the science departments at the Natural History Museum for many years, having published more than 200 scientific papers”

    “Dr Sam Gilbert is a former Royal Society Senior Research Fellow and is now Senior Research Fellow at UCL’s Institute of Cognitive Neuroscience. His research investigates human brain function and its relationship with memory, planning, and social behaviour. Before joining UCL for his PhD in Psychology, Sam was awarded a BA in Psychology and Philosophy at the University of Oxford.”

    Is he a colleague of James Thompson? I wonder why they asked him, rather than James (or Robert Plomin) to be on the panel? But it all goes downhill from here, at any event.

    “Shaminder Nahal is the Topical Specialist Factual Commissioner at Channel 4. Before this, she was Deputy Editor of Channel 4 News and prior to that, Deputy Editor of Newsnight.”

    “Naomi Alderman is the author of four novels: Disobedience, The Lessons, Liar’s Gospel and The Power. She has won the Orange Award for New Writers and the Sunday Times Young Writer of the Year Award. She was selected for Granta’s once-a-decade list of Best of Young British Novelists and Waterstones Writers for the Future. She presents Science Stories on BBC Radio 4, she is Professor of Creative Writing at Bath Spa University “

    “Claudia Hammond is an award-winning broadcaster, writer and psychology lecturer. She is the presenter of All in the Mind & Mind Changers on BBC Radio 4 and Health Check and The Evidence on BBC World Service Radio. She is on the faculty at Boston University’s London base where she lectures in health and social psychology and has just completed a 22-month residency at the Wellcome Collection as Associate Director of Hubbub, an interdisciplinary project on the topic of rest.”

    OT

    Great piece in Wired about Amazon’s septuagenarian, RV (or tent)-based nomadic workforce, ongoing casualties of the 2007-9 crash. More Linh Dinh than iSteve, but still fascinating.

    https://www.wired.com/story/meet-camperforce-amazons-nomadic-retiree-army/

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  10. Cordelia Fine doesn’t matter. What matters is the ‘The Royal’ is going down the gurgler. Desperately sad.

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  11. @eah

    How can you be anti something that doesn’t exist?

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  12. @jim jones
    Obviously there are differences between men and women. Men create companies like Google and Microsoft while women do not.

    And a lot of the women who do used to be men.

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    • Replies: @dr kill
    Men are better than women at everything, including being women.
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  13. Cordelia Fine has never listened to AC/DC.

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    • Replies: @BB753
    Nor old T.Rex!

    https://youtu.be/qhOgXKA8yz4

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  14. Here is the judge panel:

    https://royalsociety.org/grants-schemes-awards/book-prizes/science-book-prize/2017/judges/

    Only one of them with an actual degree in hard science, Richard Fortey, the other man has a PhD in psychology. The three women are a PoC TV presenter, Jewish professor of creative writing, and a pop psychology writer.

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    • Replies: @Altai
    It looks like it goes in cycles, each year is tilted towards a different discipline. Last year was mostly Physics/Astrophysics, this year was mostly Psychology. Speaks VERY poorly of psychology. The other recent years don't show an SJW bias.

    Last years panel:
    https://royalsociety.org/grants-schemes-awards/book-prizes/science-book-prize/2016/judges/
    Winner: Andrea Wulf, The Invention of Nature. Despite the name it's not some critical theory tract, it's an exploration of the life and work of the German naturalist and explorer Alexander von Humboldt who isn't as famous as he should be given his feats and impact.

    2015 seemed to be mostly media people.
    https://royalsociety.org/grants-schemes-awards/book-prizes/science-book-prize/2015/judges/
    Winner: Gaia Vince, Adventures in the Anthropocene. Fairly comprehensive examination of global warming and mitigation programmes despite what one might infer from the author having the first name 'Gaia'.

    2014 is all over the place, but almost all the scientists are also media people on the side or have transitioned.
    https://royalsociety.org/grants-schemes-awards/book-prizes/science-book-prize/2014/judges/
    Winner: Mark Miodownik, Stuff Matters.

    2013 has only one male judge but a feminist tract didn't win.
    https://royalsociety.org/grants-schemes-awards/book-prizes/science-book-prize/2013/judges/
    Winner: Sean Carroll, The Particle at the End of the Universe
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  15. In Soviet Russia (and other communist countries, too) Marxism-Leninism was officially considered to be a legitimate field of science. Most people had an idea that this was crap, but wisely kept that to themselves.

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    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    In my country,party look for you!
    , @HunInTheSun
    In every Western country today Marxism is considered a legitimate field of science, which is why we have the "social sciences" taught in every college and university in the land. It is the greatest fraud in the history of scholarship.
    , @guest
    In Soviet Russia, women were men, men women, and hamburger eat people!
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  16. I haven’t read the book, but from the Guardian article I’m not sure it’s anything more than citing extreme examples to handwave away statistical realities. And/or questioning the exact mechanism of how those statistical realities came to be–whether testosterone is the Aristotelian essence of manliness or just correlates closely.

    But, for a moment of thoughtcrime, if there is no gender essence, then how can transmen claim that they are not in fact women, and how can transwomen claim that they are not in fact men?

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    • Replies: @KM32
    It's pointless to argue the logical inconsistency. It's like trying to explain the story of Noah's Ark or how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
    , @Jack D
    It's named Coalition of the FRINGES for a reason. All of Leftist thinking seems to be based on the idea of holding up ATYPICAL members of certain groups as TYPICAL in order to obfuscate reality. So you have feminine men, manly women, patriotic Muslims, scholarly Blacks, etc. In each case they dig up someone who is a group outlier and they say "see - your stereotypes are totally wrong." You would think that this transparently misleading tactic would get old by now, but it never does. When Hillary dragged those poor Muslim Gold Star parents onto the stage at the Democrat convention (perhaps the only ones in America) you knew that this tactic still had power. TV is an anecdotal medium, not a statistical one.
    , @Altai

    But, for a moment of thoughtcrime, if there is no gender essence, then how can transmen claim that they are not in fact women, and how can transwomen claim that they are not in fact men?
     
    There are many radical feminists, mostly from the 60s but also some more modern ones who openly make this point. They're called TERFs (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists) by their enemies. They are typically characterised by extreme anger at men. They regard transmen as engaging in a kind of gendered blackface, fetishising a kind of femininity they reject without actually being a woman and, of course, not really (Psychologically you still anticipate them to behave and respond like men because they are) being treated as women. (Not that it would be so bad if they were)
    , @anon

    But, for a moment of thoughtcrime, if there is no gender essence, then how can transmen claim that they are not in fact women, and how can transwomen claim that they are not in fact men?
     
    Maybe I'm dense, but this whole "transx" terminology is confusing to me. Is a transman a woman who thinks she's a man, or vice versa?
    , @ben tillman

    But, for a moment of thoughtcrime, if there is no gender essence, then how can transmen claim that they are not in fact women, and how can transwomen claim that they are not in fact men?
     
    Indeed.
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  17. So how fast is The Guardian blowing through its endowment, you think?

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  18. @SFG
    And a lot of the women who do used to be men.

    Men are better than women at everything, including being women.

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    • Replies: @Dahlia

    Men are better than women at everything, including being women.

     

    And if you disagree, these superior women will beat the everliving bloody hell out of you.
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  19. @Clyde
    Dear Cordelia inherited the family biz. Let's give her mother Anne Fine credit for getting in early in the gender fluid racket

    Her books for middle children include Bill's New Frock (Methuen, 1989) ---Wikipedia
     

    From Professor Fine’s Wikipedia page:

    Personal life
    Fine lives in Melbourne with her husband and two sons.

    Shouldn’t that read, “Fine lives in Melbourne with a person of no essential male or female characteristics to whom she is legally attached, and their two spawn.”?

    Sheesh. Wait until the good professor finds out about the gender myths that are being written about her family!

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    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    Anne Fine had two daughters and (inter alia) campaigns against the idea that some books are "girl's books" and some are "boy's books".*

    Cordelia has two sons.

    It's a pity neither of them had one of each, they might have learned something important.



    * of course a lot of books appeal to both sexes, but also a lot don't.
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  20. Cordelia (really? Cordelia?) FINE? Sounds like some of that blame the goyim strategy that Dear Leader has talked about.
    This book and it’s idiotic award are setting the table for even more,nay,much more,of that giving quotas to women [email protected]
    I wonder what her grandfather Larry would say about this?

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    You're not the only commenter here to allude to Cordelia's alleged Jewish ancestry. I tried to search for it, but came up with no conclusive evidence. I found that the name "Fine" sounds Jewish, but not as much as, say, Feinstein would. Is there any evidence?
    , @Tex
    Paging Doctor Howard, Doctor Fine, Doctor Howard

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53KcqITIPlA
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  21. @The Alarmist
    OMG, are there differences between men and women, or are there not? The science is not settled on this, but it is on the climate and weather?

    I just woke up to Susanna Reid and Piers Morgan on Good Morning Britain, and I can clearly see a physical difference between men and women, but I'm not so sure about the psychological differences, at least in the Western world, any more.

    Feminism effeminizes men and entire cultures.

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    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    It's something I call the Vikings' Curse. After a couple centuries of stealing and breeding with some of the prettiest women, the girliest girls so to say, across northern Europe, the Viking territories settled down and turned into modern, hyper-feminized Sweden and Norway.
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  22. No, essential differences? I guess you could quibble about the meaning of “essential,” but I can still think of at least one, and I’m not even in the Royal Society.

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  23. Fine

    Lemme guess:

    Every.single.time?

    Protip: psychology and sociology are not real sciences.

    … In Testosterone Rex, the 42-year-old author concentrates on hormones, writing in the Observer: “There are no essential male or female characteristics – not even when it comes to risk-taking and competitiveness, the traits so often called on to explain why men are more likely to rise to the top.” …

    There are no essential Jewish or Goyish characteristics – not even when it comes to intelligence or any other behavioral trait, so often called on to explain why Jews are more likely to rise to the top.

    In other words, the Jewish Conspiracy is at least as real as the Patriarchal Conspiracy.

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    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    Fine is also a Cornish name, but if I've done the family searches correctly, her paternal grandmother's name was Woolf, so it's quite possible. Father Kit then married a Laker, presumably Anne, which is a pretty English name. Anne's mother's maiden name was Baker, also pretty English.
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  24. today millions of ordinary men use statistical reasoning to build fantasy football teams and yet nonsense like this proliferates among professional scientists that we’re supposed to take seriously. it’s hilarious.

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  25. Hm, it would be helpful if there were a convention used to indicate when an apparently English word is actually an instance of Newspeak.

    So, when a word such as science is used in a sentence, we do not have to guess whether or not its definition implies observation, hypothesis, experiment, results, replication, etc. or if its definition implies opinion, appeal-to-authority, argument by consensus, publication bias, cherry-picking results, etc.

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  26. An interesting data set to mine would have been requests to Google Maps and Mapquest for directions and /or maps (back before everyone got GPS aps and now just go where ever their phone tells them to). My surmise is that men would have been more likely to print out maps, women more likely to print out directions.

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    • Replies: @3g4me
    @#22 Mr Anon: "My surmise is that men would have been more likely to print out maps, women more likely to print out directions."

    Interesting point. My husband would definitely only look at the map. I'd look at the map AND print out the directions. What that signifies, other than I lack a good innate sense of direction, is anyone's guess.
    , @ben tillman

    An interesting data set to mine would have been requests to Google Maps and Mapquest for directions and /or maps (back before everyone got GPS aps and now just go where ever their phone tells them to). My surmise is that men would have been more likely to print out maps, women more likely to print out directions.
     
    Those days are gone? Not in my household.
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  27. Testosterone Rex triumphs as Royal Society science book of the year

    I wish I could laugh but I feel sick at the thought that tens of thousands of Women’s Studies majors will be issued this book. Then while the vast majority will end up as baristas/Antifa, a few will be hired as Fortune 1000 diversity commissars.

    Think of the vast numbers of unemployed over 35 white cisgendered male STEM workers whose resumes get over looked because some 25 year old SJW female in human resources is looking for a unicorn. You know the LGBT black female computer genius.

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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    Did you catch the story of the hacking of Equifax? The female CSO's qualifications were having a degree in music.

    Apparently no background with computers. She along with the CIO (a man) are fired.

    I found this in the comments of a WSJ article.

    Before we get too carried away, there are plenty of men who can't do STEM stuff, and some women (a smaller number) who can.

    But not the two who were fired. This is a huge story. Equifax has a huge amount of personal data on all of us.
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  28. How come my posts at Anatoly’s appear at once, but here they wait for approval? Just asking.

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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    After a certain length of time doing regular comments here, I suddenly didn't have to wait for approval. I assumed it was a automatic calculation based on having a certain number of comments cleared manually.

    NYT has a similar set-up.

    But here, it may vary by author. Maybe an author can turn that off.

    Even if Anatoly is using the same system, you likely have entered far more comments at Steve's.
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  29. Guardian: “Testosterone Rex Triumphs as Royal Society Science Book of the Year”

    It would be better to have entitled it ‘The Miss-measure of Gender.’

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  30. @Discordiax
    I haven't read the book, but from the Guardian article I'm not sure it's anything more than citing extreme examples to handwave away statistical realities. And/or questioning the exact mechanism of how those statistical realities came to be--whether testosterone is the Aristotelian essence of manliness or just correlates closely.

    But, for a moment of thoughtcrime, if there is no gender essence, then how can transmen claim that they are not in fact women, and how can transwomen claim that they are not in fact men?

    It’s pointless to argue the logical inconsistency. It’s like trying to explain the story of Noah’s Ark or how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

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  31. @Discordiax
    I haven't read the book, but from the Guardian article I'm not sure it's anything more than citing extreme examples to handwave away statistical realities. And/or questioning the exact mechanism of how those statistical realities came to be--whether testosterone is the Aristotelian essence of manliness or just correlates closely.

    But, for a moment of thoughtcrime, if there is no gender essence, then how can transmen claim that they are not in fact women, and how can transwomen claim that they are not in fact men?

    It’s named Coalition of the FRINGES for a reason. All of Leftist thinking seems to be based on the idea of holding up ATYPICAL members of certain groups as TYPICAL in order to obfuscate reality. So you have feminine men, manly women, patriotic Muslims, scholarly Blacks, etc. In each case they dig up someone who is a group outlier and they say “see – your stereotypes are totally wrong.” You would think that this transparently misleading tactic would get old by now, but it never does. When Hillary dragged those poor Muslim Gold Star parents onto the stage at the Democrat convention (perhaps the only ones in America) you knew that this tactic still had power. TV is an anecdotal medium, not a statistical one.

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    And as mutational outliers increase by granting higher status to freaks, they will increase their own numbers. Like any other cancer, it is self-propagating and its getting worse as the immune systems are being shut down one after another.
    , @Buzz Mohawk

    TV is an anecdotal medium, not a statistical one.
     
    Apparently, for the Royal Society, so is science writing.

    It is becoming increasingly difficult to find any place where Leftist orthodoxy has not taken hold. We are living on the other side of Alice's looking glass.

    , @3g4me
    @#27 Jack D: " TV is an anecdotal medium, not a statistical one."

    Very well put.
    , @Forbes

    TV is an anecdotal medium, not a statistical one.
     
    Just as most the criminal perps on Law & Order (and most TV dramas) are white. I know perfectly sane adults that "believe" whites commit crime at the same rate as blacks. They believe such because they have no exposure to the criminal justice system--other than (fictional) TV programs.
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  32. @Almost Missouri
    From Professor Fine's Wikipedia page:

    Personal life
    Fine lives in Melbourne with her husband and two sons.
     
    Shouldn't that read, "Fine lives in Melbourne with a person of no essential male or female characteristics to whom she is legally attached, and their two spawn."?

    Sheesh. Wait until the good professor finds out about the gender myths that are being written about her family!

    Anne Fine had two daughters and (inter alia) campaigns against the idea that some books are “girl’s books” and some are “boy’s books”.*

    Cordelia has two sons.

    It’s a pity neither of them had one of each, they might have learned something important.

    * of course a lot of books appeal to both sexes, but also a lot don’t.

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    Indeed. With my daughter it's unicorns 100% of the time, and with my son it's dinosaurs 100% of the time.

    Granted, dinosaurs are allowed in the unicorn playground and vice versa--we are polite, after all--but it's pretty striking.
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  33. All horses are essentially the same, but differences of degree matter. That’s why we race horses.

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    Noting, of course, that there are horse races exclusively for fillies, e.g. the Kentucky Oaks. Fillies having won the Kentucky Derby only three times--1988, 1980, and 1915. Only 40 fillies have even run in the Derby, since 1875. Were "all horses essentially the same," it would be expected that fillies would have won (or entered) more often than the record shows. Seems that would be a difference of degree...
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  34. I was slightly surprised that it ends with this great call to action,

    This is what I always find odd about these ‘it’s a social construct’ arguments, isn’t what you want to replace it with also just a social construct? They never examine the potential value of these gendered roles. What is the potential value of what they want to agitate for.

    We have two and bit generations now in the Western world where women out-earn men (This is always completely ignored by the older feminists) and where it is not at all socially sanctioned against for women to work as long as men. Yet I keep meeting young female PhDs and others who are worried about being able to settle down and have a family or find time to find a partner if they’ve been so unlucky so far. There is NOTHING in popular culture which champions this to them, at least not since they were 8 years old and stopped playing with dolls. Quite the opposite. This is biology asserting itself!

    You cannot tell me that the noise women make when they are introduced to a newborn is not biology. No male (Straight or gay) has ever felt the compulsion to make this noise and they tire of babies a lot sooner.

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    Women who get advanced degrees or climb quickly in the corporate world see their pool of potential husbands contract quickly.

    The reason is that all women have an intense, innate need to pair with a man who is her superior. It's all Jane Austen wrote about, not to mention 50 Shades of Grey. Women feel about men who are their social/professional lessers the way that men feel about ugly women -- revulsion. [There is an exception here for dangerous thugs -- a material subset of women love them, but that's another topic.]

    So naturally as a woman climbs higher on the socio-economic pyramid the number of men higher than her, and thus the number of men she considers eligible for her, shrinks rapidly. Then we get articles in Slate on "Where have all the good men gone?"

    The high-status men they want can all get younger, hotter, more feminine women. The men that would accept them are too low on the totem. It's like the old joke "I wouldn't want to be part of any club that would have me as a member."

    My conclusion is that modern feminism and "go-grrrl" careerism makes women miserable. But they don't know why. Expect more of this.

    There's a reason "The Handmaid's Tale" (featuring women living under strict authoritarian patriarchal rules) is so popular with women. They yearn for it deep in their being.
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  35. @Jack D
    It's named Coalition of the FRINGES for a reason. All of Leftist thinking seems to be based on the idea of holding up ATYPICAL members of certain groups as TYPICAL in order to obfuscate reality. So you have feminine men, manly women, patriotic Muslims, scholarly Blacks, etc. In each case they dig up someone who is a group outlier and they say "see - your stereotypes are totally wrong." You would think that this transparently misleading tactic would get old by now, but it never does. When Hillary dragged those poor Muslim Gold Star parents onto the stage at the Democrat convention (perhaps the only ones in America) you knew that this tactic still had power. TV is an anecdotal medium, not a statistical one.

    And as mutational outliers increase by granting higher status to freaks, they will increase their own numbers. Like any other cancer, it is self-propagating and its getting worse as the immune systems are being shut down one after another.

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  36. When I point out that men and women like different movies and books and colors and professions, my goodthinking friends all tell me that it’s because society conditioned them this way.

    So nowadays I’ve began to wonder, why do people beat up their wives and daughters in order for women to be oppressed? And why do people force their daughters to watch sappy dramas and become elementary school teachers rather than computer geeks? It is a mystery.

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    When I point out that men and women like different movies and books and colors and professions, my goodthinking friends all tell me that it’s because society conditioned them this way.
     
    That's logically impossible. There would be no conceivable way for such social conditioning to arise absent differences between the sexes.
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  37. @Discordiax
    I haven't read the book, but from the Guardian article I'm not sure it's anything more than citing extreme examples to handwave away statistical realities. And/or questioning the exact mechanism of how those statistical realities came to be--whether testosterone is the Aristotelian essence of manliness or just correlates closely.

    But, for a moment of thoughtcrime, if there is no gender essence, then how can transmen claim that they are not in fact women, and how can transwomen claim that they are not in fact men?

    But, for a moment of thoughtcrime, if there is no gender essence, then how can transmen claim that they are not in fact women, and how can transwomen claim that they are not in fact men?

    There are many radical feminists, mostly from the 60s but also some more modern ones who openly make this point. They’re called TERFs (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists) by their enemies. They are typically characterised by extreme anger at men. They regard transmen as engaging in a kind of gendered blackface, fetishising a kind of femininity they reject without actually being a woman and, of course, not really (Psychologically you still anticipate them to behave and respond like men because they are) being treated as women. (Not that it would be so bad if they were)

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    The TERFs are, in general, bonkers, but I strongly suspect that they're on to something here.

    See also Ray Blanchard, autogynephilia, The Man Who Would Be Queen.
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  38. @Johan Schmidt
    There might be some selection bias if you're using Piers Morgan as the epitome of Manhood, buddy.

    Wouldn’t it be the other way around? I compared Susanna to Piers, but was still able to discern that Susanna was the woman? At least, physically.

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  39. @Jack D
    It's named Coalition of the FRINGES for a reason. All of Leftist thinking seems to be based on the idea of holding up ATYPICAL members of certain groups as TYPICAL in order to obfuscate reality. So you have feminine men, manly women, patriotic Muslims, scholarly Blacks, etc. In each case they dig up someone who is a group outlier and they say "see - your stereotypes are totally wrong." You would think that this transparently misleading tactic would get old by now, but it never does. When Hillary dragged those poor Muslim Gold Star parents onto the stage at the Democrat convention (perhaps the only ones in America) you knew that this tactic still had power. TV is an anecdotal medium, not a statistical one.

    TV is an anecdotal medium, not a statistical one.

    Apparently, for the Royal Society, so is science writing.

    It is becoming increasingly difficult to find any place where Leftist orthodoxy has not taken hold. We are living on the other side of Alice’s looking glass.

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    It's passing thru the fat, dumb part of the distribution. The action is elsewhere.
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  40. why can’t men and women be equal without being the same?

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  41. Tying in with yesterday, the day can’t be far off when the SJW demand more female quarterbacks in the NFL.

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  42. This has got to be the lowest point yet in the history of the Royal Society as purely scientific body. Has it hit the bottom?

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    No, its a long way down and we haven't reached witchcraft yet.
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  43. Really who in the hell gives credence to what a shrink writes about human biology. She should have been laughed at and then ignored.

    Go to a gym and there is no gender fluidity. You don’t see women bench pressing or doing the power cleans with a couple hundred pounds. In fact you rarely see women doing them at all. Instead you’ll find women in dance or yoga classes or on the stationary bicycle.

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    You do if you belong to the same gym as Janae Kroc.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3179101/World-champion-bodybuilder-former-Marine-reveals-Instagram-s-transgender-living-man-woman.html
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  44. ¿If differences between the sexes are cultural to so large an extent, how come the differences between the sexes/genders/whatever mirror each other in all (or 99.9 % of) societies, all over the world, even in human groups that have been isolated since forever?
    ¿Should there not be societies where women are warriors and sometimes beat their husbands, who stay at home knitting and taking care of the kids?
    ¿Where are these societies?
    Cultures surely do reinforce gender roles in some sort of self-reinforcing feedback loop, but biology is the prime mover.
    For those interested in the debunking of this book, read (in addition to Cochran) Stuart Ritchie´s essay in Quillette: http://quillette.com/2017/03/21/cordelia-fines-testosterone-rex-a-review/

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    Should there not be societies where women are warriors ?
     
    Sure there are. Haven't you seen Wonder Woman, or do they not let men into the shows where you live?
    , @Jason Liu
    Gender equality is not really about facts, it's about women being afraid of social standards and gender-based judgment. Every bit of 'science' they fabricate is just to shield their own insecurity.
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  45. @Luke Lea
    This has got to be the lowest point yet in the history of the Royal Society as purely scientific body. Has it hit the bottom?

    No, its a long way down and we haven’t reached witchcraft yet.

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  46. What accounts for the overwhelming majority of prison populations being male?

    What is behind mansplaining?

    Or the viciously oppressed females outliving men for 8 years. Being male is more of a risk factor than smoking.

    Must be bro culture.

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  47. We’re definitely into “your chocolate ration has been increased from 30 grams to 20 grams” territory on sexuality.

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  48. The real questions are why would anyone devote time to write books based on such a patently absurd premise and why anyone else would read them.

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  49. @Buzz Mohawk

    TV is an anecdotal medium, not a statistical one.
     
    Apparently, for the Royal Society, so is science writing.

    It is becoming increasingly difficult to find any place where Leftist orthodoxy has not taken hold. We are living on the other side of Alice's looking glass.

    It’s passing thru the fat, dumb part of the distribution. The action is elsewhere.

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  50. TV is an anecdotal medium, not a statistical one.

    Meaning, the MotU who own TV are liars who hate statistics. There’s nothing about the medium that is inherently hostile to statistics or logic or honesty.

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    TV shows you pictures. The pictures are definitely just anecdotes: they cannot show you pictures of a million people all at once, only a few people. For example a comprehensive TV documentary about an event involving millions of people (a war, a battle, a catastrophe, etc.) will show you interviews with dozens of witnesses or participants: that is, dozens of anecdotes. In a book, it might even be easier to write the statistics or the big picture than to write in detail about a dozen anecdotes (though of course nothing stops you from doing the latter), while on TV, anecdotes are basically the only thing you can show. You can decide whether the anecdotes would be typical anecdotes (based on the available statistical evidence) or the opposite, but TV essentially lends itself to manipulation.
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  51. @jim jones
    Obviously there are differences between men and women. Men create companies like Google and Microsoft while women do not.

    Women create companies like Theranos.

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  52. Meaning, the MotU who own TV are liars who hate statistics. There’s nothing about the medium that is inherently hostile to statistics or logic or honesty.

    We’re talking about a tribe has no compunctions about perverting Christian scripture and doctrine for their own ends. No ill deed is beyond their “Never Again” schtick.

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  53. Forgive a dumb question, but how does Fine explain away the obvious? “There are no essential male or female characteristics.” Well, of course men have penises and women have vaginas. But when these organs disappear into the body, there is no further difference between the sexes? Well, woman have uteruses and men have prostates. But those end somewhere and there is no further difference. Well, hormones and the brain control these organs, don’t they? Does fine write this off as “non-essential,” as if the organization of the brain that regulates these different basic biological functions could not possibly manifest itself in any other functional differences?

    Surely chapter 1 of her book explains away all of these self-evident non-essential differences so that she can get on with her thesis, right?

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    The key word in her argument is 'essential'. It means something rather different in philosophy than everyday life - but the philosophical meaning isn't particularly useful. Rather like Clinton's "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" claim - it's technically correct, given an unusual definition not used by normal people in normal life.

    And technically, she's quite right. The traditional idea that men and women are different in fundamental essence is silly, as are all ideas about things in the world being based on "essences". It doesn't mean that there aren't any fundamental differences.

    Her argument is facile and trivial.
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  54. Soon all book awards will be Taco Bell given strictly to the egregiously undeserving, pour encourager les autres.

    Royal Society Science Book Award (see above)

    National Book Award: http://www.unz.com/isteve/national-book-award-given-to-genius-t-coates/

    National Poetry Award: http://www.unz.com/isteve/a-book-of-microaggressions-wins-national-poetry-award/

    Nobel Prize for Literature: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/nobel-prize-of-alexievich/

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  55. @dr kill
    Men are better than women at everything, including being women.

    Men are better than women at everything, including being women.

    And if you disagree, these superior women will beat the everliving bloody hell out of you.

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  56. @reiner Tor
    In Soviet Russia (and other communist countries, too) Marxism-Leninism was officially considered to be a legitimate field of science. Most people had an idea that this was crap, but wisely kept that to themselves.

    In my country,party look for you!

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  57. @Mr. Anon
    An interesting data set to mine would have been requests to Google Maps and Mapquest for directions and /or maps (back before everyone got GPS aps and now just go where ever their phone tells them to). My surmise is that men would have been more likely to print out maps, women more likely to print out directions.

    @#22 Mr Anon: “My surmise is that men would have been more likely to print out maps, women more likely to print out directions.”

    Interesting point. My husband would definitely only look at the map. I’d look at the map AND print out the directions. What that signifies, other than I lack a good innate sense of direction, is anyone’s guess.

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    “My surmise is that men would have been more likely to print out maps, women more likely to print out directions.”

    That reminds me of a committee meeting I was on in the mid-1990s to set up our firm's first website. One obvious task was to enable visitors to find our headquarter building. A man recommended that the website display a map. A woman countered that there should be verbal directions since everybody knows that nobody really ever looks at a map, maps are just there for Pretend Reasons.

    I pointed out that, this being the Web, we could easily do both, which eventually defused this War of the Sexes.

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  58. @Jack D
    It's named Coalition of the FRINGES for a reason. All of Leftist thinking seems to be based on the idea of holding up ATYPICAL members of certain groups as TYPICAL in order to obfuscate reality. So you have feminine men, manly women, patriotic Muslims, scholarly Blacks, etc. In each case they dig up someone who is a group outlier and they say "see - your stereotypes are totally wrong." You would think that this transparently misleading tactic would get old by now, but it never does. When Hillary dragged those poor Muslim Gold Star parents onto the stage at the Democrat convention (perhaps the only ones in America) you knew that this tactic still had power. TV is an anecdotal medium, not a statistical one.

    @#27 Jack D: ” TV is an anecdotal medium, not a statistical one.”

    Very well put.

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  59. @Father O'Hara
    Cordelia (really? Cordelia?) FINE? Sounds like some of that blame the goyim strategy that Dear Leader has talked about.
    This book and it's idiotic award are setting the table for even more,nay,much more,of that giving quotas to women [email protected]
    I wonder what her grandfather Larry would say about this?

    You’re not the only commenter here to allude to Cordelia’s alleged Jewish ancestry. I tried to search for it, but came up with no conclusive evidence. I found that the name “Fine” sounds Jewish, but not as much as, say, Feinstein would. Is there any evidence?

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    Cordelia's dad is Kit Fine, a British professor. It's hard to tell but there aren't that many Jews in Britain to begin with and "Kit" is not exactly a typical Jewish name. I haven't seen anything conclusive one way or the other but it's far from a sure thing. I don't know why people are so obsessed over this anyway - leftist dogma is not the exclusive province of Jews.

    Of course Jews are disproportionately present and influential in leftist academic circles but probably 3 out of 4 leftist academics are NOT Jewish. But it's the Jewish ones that elicit all the gasps. If it turns out that Fine is a fine old English name and not a Hebrew one, what difference does it make to the damage that she does to society? Isn't it WORSE if she is some kind of race traitor out to destroy her own people? The Jews arguably are taking revenge on Western society for the Holocaust and not letting grandpa into the country club, but what is the WASP's excuse for his self hatred?

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  60. @Jan Banan
    Here is the judge panel:

    https://royalsociety.org/grants-schemes-awards/book-prizes/science-book-prize/2017/judges/

    Only one of them with an actual degree in hard science, Richard Fortey, the other man has a PhD in psychology. The three women are a PoC TV presenter, Jewish professor of creative writing, and a pop psychology writer.

    It looks like it goes in cycles, each year is tilted towards a different discipline. Last year was mostly Physics/Astrophysics, this year was mostly Psychology. Speaks VERY poorly of psychology. The other recent years don’t show an SJW bias.

    Last years panel:

    https://royalsociety.org/grants-schemes-awards/book-prizes/science-book-prize/2016/judges/

    Winner: Andrea Wulf, The Invention of Nature. Despite the name it’s not some critical theory tract, it’s an exploration of the life and work of the German naturalist and explorer Alexander von Humboldt who isn’t as famous as he should be given his feats and impact.

    2015 seemed to be mostly media people.

    https://royalsociety.org/grants-schemes-awards/book-prizes/science-book-prize/2015/judges/

    Winner: Gaia Vince, Adventures in the Anthropocene. Fairly comprehensive examination of global warming and mitigation programmes despite what one might infer from the author having the first name ‘Gaia’.

    2014 is all over the place, but almost all the scientists are also media people on the side or have transitioned.

    https://royalsociety.org/grants-schemes-awards/book-prizes/science-book-prize/2014/judges/

    Winner: Mark Miodownik, Stuff Matters.

    2013 has only one male judge but a feminist tract didn’t win.

    https://royalsociety.org/grants-schemes-awards/book-prizes/science-book-prize/2013/judges/

    Winner: Sean Carroll, The Particle at the End of the Universe

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  61. @Svigor

    TV is an anecdotal medium, not a statistical one.
     
    Meaning, the MotU who own TV are liars who hate statistics. There's nothing about the medium that is inherently hostile to statistics or logic or honesty.

    TV shows you pictures. The pictures are definitely just anecdotes: they cannot show you pictures of a million people all at once, only a few people. For example a comprehensive TV documentary about an event involving millions of people (a war, a battle, a catastrophe, etc.) will show you interviews with dozens of witnesses or participants: that is, dozens of anecdotes. In a book, it might even be easier to write the statistics or the big picture than to write in detail about a dozen anecdotes (though of course nothing stops you from doing the latter), while on TV, anecdotes are basically the only thing you can show. You can decide whether the anecdotes would be typical anecdotes (based on the available statistical evidence) or the opposite, but TV essentially lends itself to manipulation.

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    This is an important point. TV enables massive manipulation, and TV is controlled by massive manipulators.
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  62. @Svigor
    Fine

    Lemme guess:

    Every.single.time?

    Protip: psychology and sociology are not real sciences.

    … In Testosterone Rex, the 42-year-old author concentrates on hormones, writing in the Observer: “There are no essential male or female characteristics – not even when it comes to risk-taking and competitiveness, the traits so often called on to explain why men are more likely to rise to the top.” …
     
    There are no essential Jewish or Goyish characteristics - not even when it comes to intelligence or any other behavioral trait, so often called on to explain why Jews are more likely to rise to the top.

    In other words, the Jewish Conspiracy is at least as real as the Patriarchal Conspiracy.

    Fine is also a Cornish name, but if I’ve done the family searches correctly, her paternal grandmother’s name was Woolf, so it’s quite possible. Father Kit then married a Laker, presumably Anne, which is a pretty English name. Anne’s mother’s maiden name was Baker, also pretty English.

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  63. @Bartolo
    ¿If differences between the sexes are cultural to so large an extent, how come the differences between the sexes/genders/whatever mirror each other in all (or 99.9 % of) societies, all over the world, even in human groups that have been isolated since forever?
    ¿Should there not be societies where women are warriors and sometimes beat their husbands, who stay at home knitting and taking care of the kids?
    ¿Where are these societies?
    Cultures surely do reinforce gender roles in some sort of self-reinforcing feedback loop, but biology is the prime mover.
    For those interested in the debunking of this book, read (in addition to Cochran) Stuart Ritchie´s essay in Quillette: http://quillette.com/2017/03/21/cordelia-fines-testosterone-rex-a-review/

    Should there not be societies where women are warriors ?

    Sure there are. Haven’t you seen Wonder Woman, or do they not let men into the shows where you live?

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  64. @Father O'Hara
    Cordelia (really? Cordelia?) FINE? Sounds like some of that blame the goyim strategy that Dear Leader has talked about.
    This book and it's idiotic award are setting the table for even more,nay,much more,of that giving quotas to women [email protected]
    I wonder what her grandfather Larry would say about this?

    Paging Doctor Howard, Doctor Fine, Doctor Howard

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  65. As soon as I saw the word “psychologist” in front of that woman’s name I knew it was time for a double dose of blood pressure meds.

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  66. @reiner Tor
    TV shows you pictures. The pictures are definitely just anecdotes: they cannot show you pictures of a million people all at once, only a few people. For example a comprehensive TV documentary about an event involving millions of people (a war, a battle, a catastrophe, etc.) will show you interviews with dozens of witnesses or participants: that is, dozens of anecdotes. In a book, it might even be easier to write the statistics or the big picture than to write in detail about a dozen anecdotes (though of course nothing stops you from doing the latter), while on TV, anecdotes are basically the only thing you can show. You can decide whether the anecdotes would be typical anecdotes (based on the available statistical evidence) or the opposite, but TV essentially lends itself to manipulation.

    This is an important point. TV enables massive manipulation, and TV is controlled by massive manipulators.

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  67. @reiner Tor
    You're not the only commenter here to allude to Cordelia's alleged Jewish ancestry. I tried to search for it, but came up with no conclusive evidence. I found that the name "Fine" sounds Jewish, but not as much as, say, Feinstein would. Is there any evidence?

    Cordelia’s dad is Kit Fine, a British professor. It’s hard to tell but there aren’t that many Jews in Britain to begin with and “Kit” is not exactly a typical Jewish name. I haven’t seen anything conclusive one way or the other but it’s far from a sure thing. I don’t know why people are so obsessed over this anyway – leftist dogma is not the exclusive province of Jews.

    Of course Jews are disproportionately present and influential in leftist academic circles but probably 3 out of 4 leftist academics are NOT Jewish. But it’s the Jewish ones that elicit all the gasps. If it turns out that Fine is a fine old English name and not a Hebrew one, what difference does it make to the damage that she does to society? Isn’t it WORSE if she is some kind of race traitor out to destroy her own people? The Jews arguably are taking revenge on Western society for the Holocaust and not letting grandpa into the country club, but what is the WASP’s excuse for his self hatred?

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    The Jews arguably are taking revenge on Western society for the Holocaust and not letting grandpa into the country club, but what is the WASP’s excuse for his self hatred?
     
    The WASP is trying to save face and cowering under the massive intelligentsia propaganda apparatus.

    You can thank 1. 19th century confessionally indifferent liberals, and 2. the Anglo-American Low Church Christian Zionists for allowing the Jews to rise up unnoticed to dominate the generation and dissemination of information. I doubt either would have been sufficient alone.
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  68. I was watching an episode of Six Feet Under recently, created by the guy who wrote American Beauty so you can guess it was an ultra-progressive oasis in the desert of leftism that is tv. For instance, they had various characters spontaneously yell about George W. Bush several times per episode, and not to depict accurately the unstable emotions of the characters, I don’t think.

    I bring it up because there was a scene with a “Women’s Studies” professor in L.A. who is seen with the book Brain Sex on her desk, which was about neurological differences between men and women. The character could’ve been reading it for debunking purposes, but I don’t know. First of all, do “Women’s Studies” professors even need to read books like that to debunk them? Secondly, she had like one post-it note sticking out of it and no sign of any other research material. I think it was just supposed to be something she was reading.

    Not that she had to agree with it. Point is, even this show, written no doubt by lefties and set in Progressiveland, depicts a universe in which biological differences between sexes are known to exist. The evidence is simply everywhere.

    Then again, the show was part of World War G, with a prominent gay couple who got pretend-married and tried to adopt kids and all that. Maybe the gays were undercutting the “Women’s Studies” agenda because gays secretly don’t care for women.

    By the way, not to bash on the show, because that scene made me laugh. The matriarch of the main family is a hysterical woman who shows up at the office to sabotage the professor’s affair with her estranged husband. When the professor asks how she knows she’s not just some angry woman, the matriarch yells “I’m not angry!” and proceeds to pick up a vase sitting before her and smash it down on the table.

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  69. @Bartolo
    ¿If differences between the sexes are cultural to so large an extent, how come the differences between the sexes/genders/whatever mirror each other in all (or 99.9 % of) societies, all over the world, even in human groups that have been isolated since forever?
    ¿Should there not be societies where women are warriors and sometimes beat their husbands, who stay at home knitting and taking care of the kids?
    ¿Where are these societies?
    Cultures surely do reinforce gender roles in some sort of self-reinforcing feedback loop, but biology is the prime mover.
    For those interested in the debunking of this book, read (in addition to Cochran) Stuart Ritchie´s essay in Quillette: http://quillette.com/2017/03/21/cordelia-fines-testosterone-rex-a-review/

    Gender equality is not really about facts, it’s about women being afraid of social standards and gender-based judgment. Every bit of ‘science’ they fabricate is just to shield their own insecurity.

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    Yup. Every bit of "argument" they use is just to shield their own insecurity...
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  70. @Altai

    But, for a moment of thoughtcrime, if there is no gender essence, then how can transmen claim that they are not in fact women, and how can transwomen claim that they are not in fact men?
     
    There are many radical feminists, mostly from the 60s but also some more modern ones who openly make this point. They're called TERFs (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists) by their enemies. They are typically characterised by extreme anger at men. They regard transmen as engaging in a kind of gendered blackface, fetishising a kind of femininity they reject without actually being a woman and, of course, not really (Psychologically you still anticipate them to behave and respond like men because they are) being treated as women. (Not that it would be so bad if they were)

    The TERFs are, in general, bonkers, but I strongly suspect that they’re on to something here.

    See also Ray Blanchard, autogynephilia, The Man Who Would Be Queen.

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  71. @reiner Tor
    In Soviet Russia (and other communist countries, too) Marxism-Leninism was officially considered to be a legitimate field of science. Most people had an idea that this was crap, but wisely kept that to themselves.

    In every Western country today Marxism is considered a legitimate field of science, which is why we have the “social sciences” taught in every college and university in the land. It is the greatest fraud in the history of scholarship.

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  72. @Jake
    Feminism effeminizes men and entire cultures.

    It’s something I call the Vikings’ Curse. After a couple centuries of stealing and breeding with some of the prettiest women, the girliest girls so to say, across northern Europe, the Viking territories settled down and turned into modern, hyper-feminized Sweden and Norway.

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    In the Hjernevask documentary it's mentioned that Norway was relatively a culture of honor into the 1600s. It's interesting how recent the transition seems
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  73. @3g4me
    @#22 Mr Anon: "My surmise is that men would have been more likely to print out maps, women more likely to print out directions."

    Interesting point. My husband would definitely only look at the map. I'd look at the map AND print out the directions. What that signifies, other than I lack a good innate sense of direction, is anyone's guess.

    “My surmise is that men would have been more likely to print out maps, women more likely to print out directions.”

    That reminds me of a committee meeting I was on in the mid-1990s to set up our firm’s first website. One obvious task was to enable visitors to find our headquarter building. A man recommended that the website display a map. A woman countered that there should be verbal directions since everybody knows that nobody really ever looks at a map, maps are just there for Pretend Reasons.

    I pointed out that, this being the Web, we could easily do both, which eventually defused this War of the Sexes.

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    In the mid-'90s when I did investment research on IPOs (Initial Public Offerings), at the outset of what became the tech boom and bubble, these tech companies going public would have their internet address listed in the prospectus, e.g. www.companyname.com. I would type the address in the search bar, and invariably all that was listed on the company's home page was their mailing address and phone number--the same information listed on the front page of the prospectus.

    It was as if the internet was a substitute for the white/yellow pages... Little did we know.
    , @Frau Katze
    Myself, I check maps first. That gives you the general layout.

    Directions are helpful for such things as what lane should you be in a particular point. How to navigate the freeway exit. (This is especially important coming to a big city you've never driven in.)

    In the old days I would hand draw maps and write such directions on them.
    , @Mr. Anon
    For the most part, I don't like directions. I prefer maps.
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  74. @eah

    “(T) are no essentail male or female characteristics.” “(T)he psychologist provides more evidence that the inequality of the sexes is cultural not natural.” This explains why black males as a group are hundreds of times more likely that “Asian” females to commit violent non-sexual crimes: aggravated assault, armed robbery, muggings, gang-shootings, murder, attempted murder, rioting, arson, etc. How many more 100′s of times depends on the specific offense, e.g., aggravated assault and homicide vs. muggings and gang-shootings.

    And black males on average are thousands of times more likely than “Asian” females to commit violent sexual assaults. (For obvious anatomical reasons, females can’t commit rape in the pure and literal sense of the word.) In all of history, recorded and unrecorded, has an “Asian” female (acting alone without male accomplices) used violence/force or overt threats of same -a weapon or her superior size and strength- to compel a black male to engage in sex-acts “against his will”?

    If socialization and culture are everything, it would be possible to create a society in which “Asian” females were not only as violent and criminal as negro males but, even more ludicrously, far more violent and criminal.

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    God and Mendeleev like to play little jokes on us. Big masculine man marries petite feminine women. Half of his daughters are big boned masculine looking women who take after dad and half of his sons are petite light boned men who take after mom.
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  75. @The Alarmist
    OMG, are there differences between men and women, or are there not? The science is not settled on this, but it is on the climate and weather?

    I just woke up to Susanna Reid and Piers Morgan on Good Morning Britain, and I can clearly see a physical difference between men and women, but I'm not so sure about the psychological differences, at least in the Western world, any more.

    Biology preceded culture. If culture is everything, then males and females must have acted exactly the same in all ways not directly related to anatomical differences -e.g., males have penises, women vaginas, only females get pregnant, males on average are much bigger and stronger than females and can run faster and jump higher and are more athletic and coordinated- until the creation of societies and then cultures induced and imposed artificial “gender” differences, psychologically and behaviorally, unrelated to anatomy and its generic and absolute effects.

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  76. @Nobody
    Cordelia Fine has never listened to AC/DC.

    Nor old T.Rex!

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  77. @SMK
    "(T) are no essentail male or female characteristics." "(T)he psychologist provides more evidence that the inequality of the sexes is cultural not natural." This explains why black males as a group are hundreds of times more likely that "Asian" females to commit violent non-sexual crimes: aggravated assault, armed robbery, muggings, gang-shootings, murder, attempted murder, rioting, arson, etc. How many more 100's of times depends on the specific offense, e.g., aggravated assault and homicide vs. muggings and gang-shootings.

    And black males on average are thousands of times more likely than "Asian" females to commit violent sexual assaults. (For obvious anatomical reasons, females can't commit rape in the pure and literal sense of the word.) In all of history, recorded and unrecorded, has an "Asian" female (acting alone without male accomplices) used violence/force or overt threats of same -a weapon or her superior size and strength- to compel a black male to engage in sex-acts "against his will"?

    If socialization and culture are everything, it would be possible to create a society in which "Asian" females were not only as violent and criminal as negro males but, even more ludicrously, far more violent and criminal.

    God and Mendeleev like to play little jokes on us. Big masculine man marries petite feminine women. Half of his daughters are big boned masculine looking women who take after dad and half of his sons are petite light boned men who take after mom.

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    @77 Jack D: Big masculine man marries petite feminine women. Half of his daughters are big boned masculine looking women who take after dad and half of his sons are petite light boned men who take after mom.

    First example that sprang to my mind was Patty Reagan and Ron Reagan Jr., but I've seen that pattern often enough.
    , @Forbes
    Among my contemporaries growing up, there were many a Catholic family with 5-8 children (my sister-in-law was one of 11), and the cross-mix of parental physical characteristics with the opposite sex offspring was quite observable. The diminutive son with an amazonian sister might be unfortunate--but no one said life was fair.
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  78. One of Fine’s arguments is that she denies that men take more risks that women. She admits that men do more things that look risky, like tight-rope walking, but argues that those men take a lot of safety precautions so that they are not taking as much risk as it looks. On the other hand, women take more risks in other ways, such as buying lottery tickets! They just recklessly risk their money without doing anything the mitigate the risk.

    For some scientists who do acknowledge sex differences, and dispute Fine, here are a couple of examples.

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2017/03/20/old-t-rex/

    https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2017/01/20/are-male-and-female-brains-absolutely-identical/

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    I seem to recall a bit of a contretemps a few years ago when someone on the competition committee, and a woman to boot, said that in her opinion the reason women can't win in professional auto racing is their more pronounced aversion to taking risks.

    You can't drive balls out without balls!
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  79. You only have to be a parent of both boys and girls to know that the writer’s premise is wrong. This is a political statement, not science.

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  80. @Jack D
    God and Mendeleev like to play little jokes on us. Big masculine man marries petite feminine women. Half of his daughters are big boned masculine looking women who take after dad and half of his sons are petite light boned men who take after mom.

    @77 Jack D: Big masculine man marries petite feminine women. Half of his daughters are big boned masculine looking women who take after dad and half of his sons are petite light boned men who take after mom.

    First example that sprang to my mind was Patty Reagan and Ron Reagan Jr., but I’ve seen that pattern often enough.

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    Sexually antagonistic selection explains modern feminism, it's a movement of androgynous gender atypical people for androgyny, they want to make themselves the norm. I bet that about 90% of biology denying feminists like Cordelia Fine were labeled tomboys as kids, if you knew any tomboy girls chances are pretty high she is a feminist today. Just go to a sociology or gender studies department, at least half of both the men and women are lesbian, gay or bisexual. the remaining heterosexuals are so gender atypical they were frequently mistaken as such and probably bullied for it in high school.
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  82. @YetAnotherAnon
    Anne Fine had two daughters and (inter alia) campaigns against the idea that some books are "girl's books" and some are "boy's books".*

    Cordelia has two sons.

    It's a pity neither of them had one of each, they might have learned something important.



    * of course a lot of books appeal to both sexes, but also a lot don't.

    Indeed. With my daughter it’s unicorns 100% of the time, and with my son it’s dinosaurs 100% of the time.

    Granted, dinosaurs are allowed in the unicorn playground and vice versa–we are polite, after all–but it’s pretty striking.

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    My daughter only wanted to play with stuffed animals, so my son compromised with her and had them fight battles and conquer kingdoms. He would have them killed in combat and she would hug and comfort the poor little lambs. I see this as perfect male/female complementary-ness.
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  83. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Discordiax
    I haven't read the book, but from the Guardian article I'm not sure it's anything more than citing extreme examples to handwave away statistical realities. And/or questioning the exact mechanism of how those statistical realities came to be--whether testosterone is the Aristotelian essence of manliness or just correlates closely.

    But, for a moment of thoughtcrime, if there is no gender essence, then how can transmen claim that they are not in fact women, and how can transwomen claim that they are not in fact men?

    But, for a moment of thoughtcrime, if there is no gender essence, then how can transmen claim that they are not in fact women, and how can transwomen claim that they are not in fact men?

    Maybe I’m dense, but this whole “transx” terminology is confusing to me. Is a transman a woman who thinks she’s a man, or vice versa?

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    I don't know, I may have it switched around.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Maybe I’m dense, but this whole “transx” terminology is confusing to me. Is a transman a woman who thinks she’s a man, or vice versa?
     
    Answer: Yes. And No. Also, it doesn't matter.
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  84. I hope the now-inevitable collapse happens in my lifetime so that I can see females like this being put in their place very abruptly.

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  85. @The Alarmist
    It's something I call the Vikings' Curse. After a couple centuries of stealing and breeding with some of the prettiest women, the girliest girls so to say, across northern Europe, the Viking territories settled down and turned into modern, hyper-feminized Sweden and Norway.

    In the Hjernevask documentary it’s mentioned that Norway was relatively a culture of honor into the 1600s. It’s interesting how recent the transition seems

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    Meaning, clan based. That's quite late.

    But I think it was even later in the Scottish Highlands (the Highland Clearances were the final end) and in Ireland.
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  86. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    How about we hang up ‘MSNBC presents Black Hamilton for Free in Manhattan’ flyers around the US to draw all the libs to Manhattan, let them all get aboard any way they can, then wall the place off, and let them sit around stewing in their imaginary delusional utopia, where tofu rains down from Naaa’heaeiliv’a, (the crippled transgender half Aztec/half Zimbabwean goddess of Organic Local Produce)’s hand, and no one works, because taxing each other and printing up more money is going to pay all the bills. Everyone (and only liberals are people) is serenely happy and exactly equal and at the same time bitterly oppressed and enraged.

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  87. @Jack D
    It's named Coalition of the FRINGES for a reason. All of Leftist thinking seems to be based on the idea of holding up ATYPICAL members of certain groups as TYPICAL in order to obfuscate reality. So you have feminine men, manly women, patriotic Muslims, scholarly Blacks, etc. In each case they dig up someone who is a group outlier and they say "see - your stereotypes are totally wrong." You would think that this transparently misleading tactic would get old by now, but it never does. When Hillary dragged those poor Muslim Gold Star parents onto the stage at the Democrat convention (perhaps the only ones in America) you knew that this tactic still had power. TV is an anecdotal medium, not a statistical one.

    TV is an anecdotal medium, not a statistical one.

    Just as most the criminal perps on Law & Order (and most TV dramas) are white. I know perfectly sane adults that “believe” whites commit crime at the same rate as blacks. They believe such because they have no exposure to the criminal justice system–other than (fictional) TV programs.

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  88. @Anon
    All horses are essentially the same, but differences of degree matter. That's why we race horses.

    Noting, of course, that there are horse races exclusively for fillies, e.g. the Kentucky Oaks. Fillies having won the Kentucky Derby only three times–1988, 1980, and 1915. Only 40 fillies have even run in the Derby, since 1875. Were “all horses essentially the same,” it would be expected that fillies would have won (or entered) more often than the record shows. Seems that would be a difference of degree…

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  89. I’m automatically suspicious anymore of any book that’s won an award. Prize committees are easy prey for Conquest’s Law.

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  90. @Jason Liu
    Gender equality is not really about facts, it's about women being afraid of social standards and gender-based judgment. Every bit of 'science' they fabricate is just to shield their own insecurity.

    Yup. Every bit of “argument” they use is just to shield their own insecurity…

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  91. @Steve Sailer
    “My surmise is that men would have been more likely to print out maps, women more likely to print out directions.”

    That reminds me of a committee meeting I was on in the mid-1990s to set up our firm's first website. One obvious task was to enable visitors to find our headquarter building. A man recommended that the website display a map. A woman countered that there should be verbal directions since everybody knows that nobody really ever looks at a map, maps are just there for Pretend Reasons.

    I pointed out that, this being the Web, we could easily do both, which eventually defused this War of the Sexes.

    In the mid-’90s when I did investment research on IPOs (Initial Public Offerings), at the outset of what became the tech boom and bubble, these tech companies going public would have their internet address listed in the prospectus, e.g. http://www.companyname.com. I would type the address in the search bar, and invariably all that was listed on the company’s home page was their mailing address and phone number–the same information listed on the front page of the prospectus.

    It was as if the internet was a substitute for the white/yellow pages… Little did we know.

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  92. @The Alarmist
    OMG, are there differences between men and women, or are there not? The science is not settled on this, but it is on the climate and weather?

    I just woke up to Susanna Reid and Piers Morgan on Good Morning Britain, and I can clearly see a physical difference between men and women, but I'm not so sure about the psychological differences, at least in the Western world, any more.

    Ms. Fine:

    It’s called male DNA, female DNA , as in science.

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  93. @Jack D
    God and Mendeleev like to play little jokes on us. Big masculine man marries petite feminine women. Half of his daughters are big boned masculine looking women who take after dad and half of his sons are petite light boned men who take after mom.

    Among my contemporaries growing up, there were many a Catholic family with 5-8 children (my sister-in-law was one of 11), and the cross-mix of parental physical characteristics with the opposite sex offspring was quite observable. The diminutive son with an amazonian sister might be unfortunate–but no one said life was fair.

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    Julia Child (6'2") took after her dad so when Dan Aykroyd played her in drag it was not a big stretch.
    , @BB753
    The combination of a very good-looking masculine father and very good-looking feminine mother does not usually produce good-looking feminine girls.
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  94. ‘There are no essential male or female characteristics’

    War is Peace.
    Freedom is Slavery.
    Ignorance is Strength.

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  95. @anon

    But, for a moment of thoughtcrime, if there is no gender essence, then how can transmen claim that they are not in fact women, and how can transwomen claim that they are not in fact men?
     
    Maybe I'm dense, but this whole "transx" terminology is confusing to me. Is a transman a woman who thinks she's a man, or vice versa?

    I don’t know, I may have it switched around.

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  96. @jimbojones
    When I point out that men and women like different movies and books and colors and professions, my goodthinking friends all tell me that it's because society conditioned them this way.

    So nowadays I've began to wonder, why do people beat up their wives and daughters in order for women to be oppressed? And why do people force their daughters to watch sappy dramas and become elementary school teachers rather than computer geeks? It is a mystery.

    When I point out that men and women like different movies and books and colors and professions, my goodthinking friends all tell me that it’s because society conditioned them this way.

    That’s logically impossible. There would be no conceivable way for such social conditioning to arise absent differences between the sexes.

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    If you want to screw with their heads, tell them the only way that that would be possible is if the first man, Adam, socially conditioned the first woman, Eve.
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  97. @Discordiax
    I haven't read the book, but from the Guardian article I'm not sure it's anything more than citing extreme examples to handwave away statistical realities. And/or questioning the exact mechanism of how those statistical realities came to be--whether testosterone is the Aristotelian essence of manliness or just correlates closely.

    But, for a moment of thoughtcrime, if there is no gender essence, then how can transmen claim that they are not in fact women, and how can transwomen claim that they are not in fact men?

    But, for a moment of thoughtcrime, if there is no gender essence, then how can transmen claim that they are not in fact women, and how can transwomen claim that they are not in fact men?

    Indeed.

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  98. @Mr. Anon
    An interesting data set to mine would have been requests to Google Maps and Mapquest for directions and /or maps (back before everyone got GPS aps and now just go where ever their phone tells them to). My surmise is that men would have been more likely to print out maps, women more likely to print out directions.

    An interesting data set to mine would have been requests to Google Maps and Mapquest for directions and /or maps (back before everyone got GPS aps and now just go where ever their phone tells them to). My surmise is that men would have been more likely to print out maps, women more likely to print out directions.

    Those days are gone? Not in my household.

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  99. Lefties: “A trans woman is a man whose brain is that of a woman.”
    Also Lefties: “There are no essential male or female characteristics.”

    Lefties: “That is “White” thinking oppressing Black Bodies.”
    Also Lefties: “There is no such thing as race. It is a social construct.”

    The cogdis is strong with them.

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    I like that Jack Nicholson line in As Good as it Gets, where he plays the author of popular women's books, and he is asked by a woman how he is able to write women characters so well:

    "I start with a man, then I take away reason and intellect."
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  100. @Altai

    I was slightly surprised that it ends with this great call to action,
     
    This is what I always find odd about these 'it's a social construct' arguments, isn't what you want to replace it with also just a social construct? They never examine the potential value of these gendered roles. What is the potential value of what they want to agitate for.

    We have two and bit generations now in the Western world where women out-earn men (This is always completely ignored by the older feminists) and where it is not at all socially sanctioned against for women to work as long as men. Yet I keep meeting young female PhDs and others who are worried about being able to settle down and have a family or find time to find a partner if they've been so unlucky so far. There is NOTHING in popular culture which champions this to them, at least not since they were 8 years old and stopped playing with dolls. Quite the opposite. This is biology asserting itself!

    You cannot tell me that the noise women make when they are introduced to a newborn is not biology. No male (Straight or gay) has ever felt the compulsion to make this noise and they tire of babies a lot sooner.

    Women who get advanced degrees or climb quickly in the corporate world see their pool of potential husbands contract quickly.

    The reason is that all women have an intense, innate need to pair with a man who is her superior. It’s all Jane Austen wrote about, not to mention 50 Shades of Grey. Women feel about men who are their social/professional lessers the way that men feel about ugly women — revulsion. [There is an exception here for dangerous thugs -- a material subset of women love them, but that's another topic.]

    So naturally as a woman climbs higher on the socio-economic pyramid the number of men higher than her, and thus the number of men she considers eligible for her, shrinks rapidly. Then we get articles in Slate on “Where have all the good men gone?”

    The high-status men they want can all get younger, hotter, more feminine women. The men that would accept them are too low on the totem. It’s like the old joke “I wouldn’t want to be part of any club that would have me as a member.”

    My conclusion is that modern feminism and “go-grrrl” careerism makes women miserable. But they don’t know why. Expect more of this.

    There’s a reason “The Handmaid’s Tale” (featuring women living under strict authoritarian patriarchal rules) is so popular with women. They yearn for it deep in their being.

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  101. I have a theory. Scientists push ridiculous ideas, that defy common sense.

    Next, those who don’t accept the ridiculous ideas decide that scientists aren’t very bright after all.

    They gained their reputation much earlier.

    But the current crop seem pretty bad.

    So, people think, why should we trust them about global warming?

    They trash their reputations and wonder why people ignore their what they say.

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  102. @jcd1974
    The 1998 winner was none other than Jared Diamond for "Guns, Germs and Steel".

    This was Diamond's second win and in 2006 he was a finalist.

    Despite inserting some stupid ideas in his introduction, I still think that Jared Diamond is brighter than Cordelia Fine. I did learn some things from reading his book and the next one, “Collapse.”.

    He’s trying to be politically correct, but not enough to deflect major criticisms because he blamed the collapse of the new world population on imported diseases. It’s an article of faith that they were deliberately killed by Conquistadors. He’s anathema to that crowd.

    I admit I only saw reviews of Fine’s book, but still.

    The ideas were discussed in various reviews and I concluded she was not very bright nor very perceptive. I wasn’t prepared to waste time reading the book.

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  103. @eah

    we should all resign from the society

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  104. TV shows you pictures. The pictures are definitely just anecdotes: they cannot show you pictures of a million people all at once, only a few people. For example a comprehensive TV documentary about an event involving millions of people (a war, a battle, a catastrophe, etc.) will show you interviews with dozens of witnesses or participants: that is, dozens of anecdotes. In a book, it might even be easier to write the statistics or the big picture than to write in detail about a dozen anecdotes (though of course nothing stops you from doing the latter), while on TV, anecdotes are basically the only thing you can show. You can decide whether the anecdotes would be typical anecdotes (based on the available statistical evidence) or the opposite, but TV essentially lends itself to manipulation.

    Wait, what? Nobody uses statistics for the millions of anecdotes it can collect, either, but for the, say, graph or chart that collates the data and gives you the overall picture. One easily thrown up onto a TV screen. No, obviously TV isn’t text and doesn’t lend itself to scholarly work the way text or hypertext does.

    And no, the limits of the medium don’t make it hostile to statistics, logic, or honesty. Its owners are responsible for all of that. For that matter, persuasion isn’t hostile to statistics, logic, or honesty, either.

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  105. @anonymous-antimarxist

    Testosterone Rex triumphs as Royal Society science book of the year
     
    I wish I could laugh but I feel sick at the thought that tens of thousands of Women's Studies majors will be issued this book. Then while the vast majority will end up as baristas/Antifa, a few will be hired as Fortune 1000 diversity commissars.

    Think of the vast numbers of unemployed over 35 white cisgendered male STEM workers whose resumes get over looked because some 25 year old SJW female in human resources is looking for a unicorn. You know the LGBT black female computer genius.

    Did you catch the story of the hacking of Equifax? The female CSO’s qualifications were having a degree in music.

    Apparently no background with computers. She along with the CIO (a man) are fired.

    I found this in the comments of a WSJ article.

    Before we get too carried away, there are plenty of men who can’t do STEM stuff, and some women (a smaller number) who can.

    But not the two who were fired. This is a huge story. Equifax has a huge amount of personal data on all of us.

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    Did you catch the story of the hacking of Equifax? The female CSO’s qualifications were having a degree in music.

    Apparently no background with computers. She along with the CIO (a man) are fired.
     
    I don't know why you are hating on the female CSO's qualification other than perhaps trying to make a specious commentary about affirmative action. The male CIO had a degree in Russian, so he wasn't much of a STEM type either.
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  106. @YetAnotherAnon
    How come my posts at Anatoly's appear at once, but here they wait for approval? Just asking.

    After a certain length of time doing regular comments here, I suddenly didn’t have to wait for approval. I assumed it was a automatic calculation based on having a certain number of comments cleared manually.

    NYT has a similar set-up.

    But here, it may vary by author. Maybe an author can turn that off.

    Even if Anatoly is using the same system, you likely have entered far more comments at Steve’s.

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  107. A woman countered that there should be verbal directions since everybody knows that nobody really ever looks at a map, maps are just there for Pretend Reasons.

    There’s a lot of privilege and broadsplaining in a statement like that. I like it.

    I’m kind of like a chick when I drive. I go by memory, more than the map in my head. And when Anon mentioned maps vs directions, I was torn; directions make the street names very prominent, while they can be hard to find on a map while driving. But the building question definitely settled the issue for me; I’d much rather have a map of a building or campus. In fact the idea of directions for a building or campus strikes me as absurd, if a map is available.

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  108. Cordelia’s dad is Kit Fine, a British professor. It’s hard to tell but there aren’t that many Jews in Britain to begin with and “Kit” is not exactly a typical Jewish name. I haven’t seen anything conclusive one way or the other but it’s far from a sure thing. I don’t know why people are so obsessed over this anyway – leftist dogma is not the exclusive province of Jews.

    That’s the fun part; whether she’s Jewish or not has no impact on my point: going by her logic, obviously if the Patriarchal Conspiracy is real, the Jewish Conspiracy is super-real. If I were arguing with her that would be my counter, regardless of her ancestry.

    Of course Jews are disproportionately present and influential in leftist academic circles but probably 3 out of 4 leftist academics are NOT Jewish. But it’s the Jewish ones that elicit all the gasps. If it turns out that Fine is a fine old English name and not a Hebrew one, what difference does it make to the damage that she does to society? Isn’t it WORSE if she is some kind of race traitor out to destroy her own people? The Jews arguably are taking revenge on Western society for the Holocaust and not letting grandpa into the country club, but what is the WASP’s excuse for his self hatred?

    Is this a joke? If you call the 3 out of 4 whatever they are, assuming they’re White, nobody will bat an eyelash. But if you call the 1 out of 4 Jewish, everybody acts like you just invaded Poland. But you think the gasping and pearl-clutching is on our side?

    This is a huge reason why I call Jews out – it’s forbidden by the establishment. I have nothing but contempt for the establishment, so naturally I gore their sacred cows every chance I get. Also, noticing the alarming dearth of guts in the world today, I figure there are plenty of people out there doing the crit that isn’t verboten.

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  109. Isn’t it WORSE if she is some kind of race traitor out to destroy her own people? The Jews arguably are taking revenge on Western society for the Holocaust and not letting grandpa into the country club, but what is the WASP’s excuse for his self hatred?

    No. Whites are my people, Jews are not. Jews are basically inherently not on my side. A small number are far more sympathetic than is typical for their group, but at the end of the day, Jews always take the Jewish side over the White side (I have never run across one that is more interested in lecturing Jews on our behalf than in lecturing Whites on Jews’ behalf, which obviously has a lot to do with the breadth and depth of Jewish ethnocentrism (in other words, Jews ignore or shun them), but that’s not my problem). And Jews already have a well-lit, 16-lane superhighway of pristine blacktop leading to ethnocentrism for themselves, so they (quite naturally) don’t want to drive the flooded out dirt road of White ethnocentrism.

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  110. @Steve Sailer
    “My surmise is that men would have been more likely to print out maps, women more likely to print out directions.”

    That reminds me of a committee meeting I was on in the mid-1990s to set up our firm's first website. One obvious task was to enable visitors to find our headquarter building. A man recommended that the website display a map. A woman countered that there should be verbal directions since everybody knows that nobody really ever looks at a map, maps are just there for Pretend Reasons.

    I pointed out that, this being the Web, we could easily do both, which eventually defused this War of the Sexes.

    Myself, I check maps first. That gives you the general layout.

    Directions are helpful for such things as what lane should you be in a particular point. How to navigate the freeway exit. (This is especially important coming to a big city you’ve never driven in.)

    In the old days I would hand draw maps and write such directions on them.

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  111. Another obvious reason is that Jews seem a lot more anti-White than White leftists in general do. And, reason of reasons, White leftists don’t have a White Supremacist ethnostate, while Jews certainly do have a Jewish White Supremacist ethnostate; diaspora Jews simultaneously advocate, support, or at least tolerate “anti-racism,” “leftism,” and Jewish White Supremacy (Zionism). Let me repeat that: they vote 75% against Trump and oppose any form of pro-White advocacy as “White Supremacy” and “Nazism,” but overwhelmingly support the Jewish White Supremacist state. Time to shit or get off the pot, boys.

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  112. @Difference maker
    In the Hjernevask documentary it's mentioned that Norway was relatively a culture of honor into the 1600s. It's interesting how recent the transition seems

    Meaning, clan based. That’s quite late.

    But I think it was even later in the Scottish Highlands (the Highland Clearances were the final end) and in Ireland.

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  113. @Steve Sailer
    “My surmise is that men would have been more likely to print out maps, women more likely to print out directions.”

    That reminds me of a committee meeting I was on in the mid-1990s to set up our firm's first website. One obvious task was to enable visitors to find our headquarter building. A man recommended that the website display a map. A woman countered that there should be verbal directions since everybody knows that nobody really ever looks at a map, maps are just there for Pretend Reasons.

    I pointed out that, this being the Web, we could easily do both, which eventually defused this War of the Sexes.

    For the most part, I don’t like directions. I prefer maps.

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  114. @Frau Katze
    Did you catch the story of the hacking of Equifax? The female CSO's qualifications were having a degree in music.

    Apparently no background with computers. She along with the CIO (a man) are fired.

    I found this in the comments of a WSJ article.

    Before we get too carried away, there are plenty of men who can't do STEM stuff, and some women (a smaller number) who can.

    But not the two who were fired. This is a huge story. Equifax has a huge amount of personal data on all of us.

    Did you catch the story of the hacking of Equifax? The female CSO’s qualifications were having a degree in music.

    Apparently no background with computers. She along with the CIO (a man) are fired.

    I don’t know why you are hating on the female CSO’s qualification other than perhaps trying to make a specious commentary about affirmative action. The male CIO had a degree in Russian, so he wasn’t much of a STEM type either.

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    And my best friend has been in tech since the 80s and runs IT at a mid-sized firm. With no degree of any sort, just native ability and being a quick study.

    In computers there's always been that cohort. Please don't confuse it with people who "followed their passion" for music or Russian and found that jobs for those disciplines are thin on the ground.
    , @res
    A couple of reasons perhaps:
    - The CSO had more direct responsibility for the failure.
    - The educational backgrounds are not as comparable as you seem to be implying.

    Dave Webb also had an MBA (and a pretty prestigious one at that): https://web.archive.org/web/20161221154610/http://www.equifax.com/about-equifax/corporate-leadership/

    Webb earned a bachelor's degree in Russian from the University of London and a master’s degree in business administration from the J.L. Kellogg Graduate School of Management at Northwestern University.
     
    As a STEM type I have an issue with that as a CIO background, but not compared to the CSO's background.

    Per: http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/15/news/equifax-top-executives-retiring/index.html

    She studied music in college and earned her MFA from the University of Georgia.
     
    There is also the idea that you need that technical background somewhere in the decision making hierarchy. With a non-STEM CIO I think that makes it even more important at the lower (? or other) levels.

    It is worth noting that both were fired (well, conveniently retired after the incident). I wonder if that would have happened if the sexes were reversed (cf. Eric Garner case where the female superior on site was assigned no responsibility AFAICT).
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  115. @anon

    But, for a moment of thoughtcrime, if there is no gender essence, then how can transmen claim that they are not in fact women, and how can transwomen claim that they are not in fact men?
     
    Maybe I'm dense, but this whole "transx" terminology is confusing to me. Is a transman a woman who thinks she's a man, or vice versa?

    Maybe I’m dense, but this whole “transx” terminology is confusing to me. Is a transman a woman who thinks she’s a man, or vice versa?

    Answer: Yes. And No. Also, it doesn’t matter.

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  116. @reiner Tor
    In Soviet Russia (and other communist countries, too) Marxism-Leninism was officially considered to be a legitimate field of science. Most people had an idea that this was crap, but wisely kept that to themselves.

    In Soviet Russia, women were men, men women, and hamburger eat people!

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  117. @3g4me
    @77 Jack D: Big masculine man marries petite feminine women. Half of his daughters are big boned masculine looking women who take after dad and half of his sons are petite light boned men who take after mom.

    First example that sprang to my mind was Patty Reagan and Ron Reagan Jr., but I've seen that pattern often enough.

    Sexually antagonistic selection explains modern feminism, it’s a movement of androgynous gender atypical people for androgyny, they want to make themselves the norm. I bet that about 90% of biology denying feminists like Cordelia Fine were labeled tomboys as kids, if you knew any tomboy girls chances are pretty high she is a feminist today. Just go to a sociology or gender studies department, at least half of both the men and women are lesbian, gay or bisexual. the remaining heterosexuals are so gender atypical they were frequently mistaken as such and probably bullied for it in high school.

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    if you knew any tomboy girls chances are pretty high she is a feminist today
     
    It's true that many feminists are masculine (in some ways), gender atypical women (obviously).
    On the other hand, all of the anti-feminist women I've ever met (in the MGTOW-ish, rather than traditional sense) were tomboys (with clearly very masculine ways of thinking, unlike feminists) whose opposition to feminism came basically from the fact that they sympathised more with men than with women. They were also the sort of women with far more male than female friends.
    , @reiner Tor
    The most tomboyish girl I ever knew grew up to be quite heterosexual and abruptly changed her behavior to feminine around age 16. She also stopped competitive sports in spite of having been a talented athlete. I don't know anything about her opinions on feminism (or anything else, for the matter).
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  118. @Guille
    Sexually antagonistic selection explains modern feminism, it's a movement of androgynous gender atypical people for androgyny, they want to make themselves the norm. I bet that about 90% of biology denying feminists like Cordelia Fine were labeled tomboys as kids, if you knew any tomboy girls chances are pretty high she is a feminist today. Just go to a sociology or gender studies department, at least half of both the men and women are lesbian, gay or bisexual. the remaining heterosexuals are so gender atypical they were frequently mistaken as such and probably bullied for it in high school.

    if you knew any tomboy girls chances are pretty high she is a feminist today

    It’s true that many feminists are masculine (in some ways), gender atypical women (obviously).
    On the other hand, all of the anti-feminist women I’ve ever met (in the MGTOW-ish, rather than traditional sense) were tomboys (with clearly very masculine ways of thinking, unlike feminists) whose opposition to feminism came basically from the fact that they sympathised more with men than with women. They were also the sort of women with far more male than female friends.

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  119. @Forbes
    Among my contemporaries growing up, there were many a Catholic family with 5-8 children (my sister-in-law was one of 11), and the cross-mix of parental physical characteristics with the opposite sex offspring was quite observable. The diminutive son with an amazonian sister might be unfortunate--but no one said life was fair.

    Julia Child (6’2″) took after her dad so when Dan Aykroyd played her in drag it was not a big stretch.

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  120. @Forbes
    Among my contemporaries growing up, there were many a Catholic family with 5-8 children (my sister-in-law was one of 11), and the cross-mix of parental physical characteristics with the opposite sex offspring was quite observable. The diminutive son with an amazonian sister might be unfortunate--but no one said life was fair.

    The combination of a very good-looking masculine father and very good-looking feminine mother does not usually produce good-looking feminine girls.

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  121. @Guille
    Sexually antagonistic selection explains modern feminism, it's a movement of androgynous gender atypical people for androgyny, they want to make themselves the norm. I bet that about 90% of biology denying feminists like Cordelia Fine were labeled tomboys as kids, if you knew any tomboy girls chances are pretty high she is a feminist today. Just go to a sociology or gender studies department, at least half of both the men and women are lesbian, gay or bisexual. the remaining heterosexuals are so gender atypical they were frequently mistaken as such and probably bullied for it in high school.

    The most tomboyish girl I ever knew grew up to be quite heterosexual and abruptly changed her behavior to feminine around age 16. She also stopped competitive sports in spite of having been a talented athlete. I don’t know anything about her opinions on feminism (or anything else, for the matter).

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    Yeah my own personal experience growing up with tomboys is that they are very straight once they hit adulthood. All of the ones I knew growing up though looked quite feminine even if they preferred playing with the guys, and all of them played sports well into high school. Maybe only the masculine looking ones become lesbians.
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  122. @Rod1963
    Really who in the hell gives credence to what a shrink writes about human biology. She should have been laughed at and then ignored.

    Go to a gym and there is no gender fluidity. You don't see women bench pressing or doing the power cleans with a couple hundred pounds. In fact you rarely see women doing them at all. Instead you'll find women in dance or yoga classes or on the stationary bicycle.
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  123. @Jack D
    Cordelia's dad is Kit Fine, a British professor. It's hard to tell but there aren't that many Jews in Britain to begin with and "Kit" is not exactly a typical Jewish name. I haven't seen anything conclusive one way or the other but it's far from a sure thing. I don't know why people are so obsessed over this anyway - leftist dogma is not the exclusive province of Jews.

    Of course Jews are disproportionately present and influential in leftist academic circles but probably 3 out of 4 leftist academics are NOT Jewish. But it's the Jewish ones that elicit all the gasps. If it turns out that Fine is a fine old English name and not a Hebrew one, what difference does it make to the damage that she does to society? Isn't it WORSE if she is some kind of race traitor out to destroy her own people? The Jews arguably are taking revenge on Western society for the Holocaust and not letting grandpa into the country club, but what is the WASP's excuse for his self hatred?

    The Jews arguably are taking revenge on Western society for the Holocaust and not letting grandpa into the country club, but what is the WASP’s excuse for his self hatred?

    The WASP is trying to save face and cowering under the massive intelligentsia propaganda apparatus.

    You can thank 1. 19th century confessionally indifferent liberals, and 2. the Anglo-American Low Church Christian Zionists for allowing the Jews to rise up unnoticed to dominate the generation and dissemination of information. I doubt either would have been sufficient alone.

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  124. Big lies big prize.

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  125. @anon
    Indeed. With my daughter it's unicorns 100% of the time, and with my son it's dinosaurs 100% of the time.

    Granted, dinosaurs are allowed in the unicorn playground and vice versa--we are polite, after all--but it's pretty striking.

    My daughter only wanted to play with stuffed animals, so my son compromised with her and had them fight battles and conquer kingdoms. He would have them killed in combat and she would hug and comfort the poor little lambs. I see this as perfect male/female complementary-ness.

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  126. @Roger
    One of Fine's arguments is that she denies that men take more risks that women. She admits that men do more things that look risky, like tight-rope walking, but argues that those men take a lot of safety precautions so that they are not taking as much risk as it looks. On the other hand, women take more risks in other ways, such as buying lottery tickets! They just recklessly risk their money without doing anything the mitigate the risk.

    For some scientists who do acknowledge sex differences, and dispute Fine, here are a couple of examples.
    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2017/03/20/old-t-rex/
    https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2017/01/20/are-male-and-female-brains-absolutely-identical/

    I seem to recall a bit of a contretemps a few years ago when someone on the competition committee, and a woman to boot, said that in her opinion the reason women can’t win in professional auto racing is their more pronounced aversion to taking risks.

    You can’t drive balls out without balls!

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    Women have poor spatial perception.
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  127. @anonguy

    Did you catch the story of the hacking of Equifax? The female CSO’s qualifications were having a degree in music.

    Apparently no background with computers. She along with the CIO (a man) are fired.
     
    I don't know why you are hating on the female CSO's qualification other than perhaps trying to make a specious commentary about affirmative action. The male CIO had a degree in Russian, so he wasn't much of a STEM type either.

    And my best friend has been in tech since the 80s and runs IT at a mid-sized firm. With no degree of any sort, just native ability and being a quick study.

    In computers there’s always been that cohort. Please don’t confuse it with people who “followed their passion” for music or Russian and found that jobs for those disciplines are thin on the ground.

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  128. @Brutusale
    I seem to recall a bit of a contretemps a few years ago when someone on the competition committee, and a woman to boot, said that in her opinion the reason women can't win in professional auto racing is their more pronounced aversion to taking risks.

    You can't drive balls out without balls!

    Women have poor spatial perception.

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  129. @reiner Tor
    The most tomboyish girl I ever knew grew up to be quite heterosexual and abruptly changed her behavior to feminine around age 16. She also stopped competitive sports in spite of having been a talented athlete. I don't know anything about her opinions on feminism (or anything else, for the matter).

    Yeah my own personal experience growing up with tomboys is that they are very straight once they hit adulthood. All of the ones I knew growing up though looked quite feminine even if they preferred playing with the guys, and all of them played sports well into high school. Maybe only the masculine looking ones become lesbians.

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    The are straightened out by encountering dominant males in their peer group.

    Many of those who never do go on to be lesbians (they go with the most dominant female if the males are lacking).
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  130. @anonguy

    Did you catch the story of the hacking of Equifax? The female CSO’s qualifications were having a degree in music.

    Apparently no background with computers. She along with the CIO (a man) are fired.
     
    I don't know why you are hating on the female CSO's qualification other than perhaps trying to make a specious commentary about affirmative action. The male CIO had a degree in Russian, so he wasn't much of a STEM type either.

    A couple of reasons perhaps:
    - The CSO had more direct responsibility for the failure.
    - The educational backgrounds are not as comparable as you seem to be implying.

    Dave Webb also had an MBA (and a pretty prestigious one at that): https://web.archive.org/web/20161221154610/http://www.equifax.com/about-equifax/corporate-leadership/

    Webb earned a bachelor’s degree in Russian from the University of London and a master’s degree in business administration from the J.L. Kellogg Graduate School of Management at Northwestern University.

    As a STEM type I have an issue with that as a CIO background, but not compared to the CSO’s background.

    Per: http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/15/news/equifax-top-executives-retiring/index.html

    She studied music in college and earned her MFA from the University of Georgia.

    There is also the idea that you need that technical background somewhere in the decision making hierarchy. With a non-STEM CIO I think that makes it even more important at the lower (? or other) levels.

    It is worth noting that both were fired (well, conveniently retired after the incident). I wonder if that would have happened if the sexes were reversed (cf. Eric Garner case where the female superior on site was assigned no responsibility AFAICT).

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  131. @Unladen Swallow
    Yeah my own personal experience growing up with tomboys is that they are very straight once they hit adulthood. All of the ones I knew growing up though looked quite feminine even if they preferred playing with the guys, and all of them played sports well into high school. Maybe only the masculine looking ones become lesbians.

    The are straightened out by encountering dominant males in their peer group.

    Many of those who never do go on to be lesbians (they go with the most dominant female if the males are lacking).

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  132. @EdwardM
    Forgive a dumb question, but how does Fine explain away the obvious? "There are no essential male or female characteristics." Well, of course men have penises and women have vaginas. But when these organs disappear into the body, there is no further difference between the sexes? Well, woman have uteruses and men have prostates. But those end somewhere and there is no further difference. Well, hormones and the brain control these organs, don't they? Does fine write this off as "non-essential," as if the organization of the brain that regulates these different basic biological functions could not possibly manifest itself in any other functional differences?

    Surely chapter 1 of her book explains away all of these self-evident non-essential differences so that she can get on with her thesis, right?

    The key word in her argument is ‘essential’. It means something rather different in philosophy than everyday life – but the philosophical meaning isn’t particularly useful. Rather like Clinton’s “I did not have sexual relations with that woman” claim – it’s technically correct, given an unusual definition not used by normal people in normal life.

    And technically, she’s quite right. The traditional idea that men and women are different in fundamental essence is silly, as are all ideas about things in the world being based on “essences”. It doesn’t mean that there aren’t any fundamental differences.

    Her argument is facile and trivial.

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  133. I still have a Newsweek from ’95 about gender differences and how to measure them. Husband and wife team had developed a technique where male and female volunteers were injected with some sugar with a short lived radioactive tracer element in it.

    The radioactive sugar would enter the blood and be pumped around the body; including the brain, the brain used the sugar as fuel, and by putting the head into a PET scanner, they could see the active parts of the brain when the volunteer was asked to do something , like a math problem.

    They saw there was a definite pattern of how the brain was working between men and womyn.

    When they asked them to think of something sad, an area 8 times bigger would light up on womyn compared to men, that kind of thing.

    Now they use a functional MRI to do this kind of study. No radioactive stuff to scare the womyn….

    The article mentioned there was a symposium about this research and after it was done a gaggle of feminazis approached the stage and axed that they not do anymore research and to shut up about what they had already done. They didn’t want any scientific evidence of the genders being different, just the lies they spread…

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  134. @ben tillman

    When I point out that men and women like different movies and books and colors and professions, my goodthinking friends all tell me that it’s because society conditioned them this way.
     
    That's logically impossible. There would be no conceivable way for such social conditioning to arise absent differences between the sexes.

    If you want to screw with their heads, tell them the only way that that would be possible is if the first man, Adam, socially conditioned the first woman, Eve.

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  135. @Moses
    Lefties: "A trans woman is a man whose brain is that of a woman."
    Also Lefties: "There are no essential male or female characteristics."

    Lefties: "That is "White" thinking oppressing Black Bodies."
    Also Lefties: "There is no such thing as race. It is a social construct."

    The cogdis is strong with them.

    I like that Jack Nicholson line in As Good as it Gets, where he plays the author of popular women’s books, and he is asked by a woman how he is able to write women characters so well:

    “I start with a man, then I take away reason and intellect.”

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  136. @The Alarmist
    OMG, are there differences between men and women, or are there not? The science is not settled on this, but it is on the climate and weather?

    I just woke up to Susanna Reid and Piers Morgan on Good Morning Britain, and I can clearly see a physical difference between men and women, but I'm not so sure about the psychological differences, at least in the Western world, any more.

    In the U.S., its probably true that inner-city black females in their teens and 20′s are more violent and criminal than middle-class “Asian” males. Does this mean that females of all races are just as violent and criminal as males of all races, or potentially as violence and criminal if equally situated and socialized? Not in the least. What it means is that race and IQ and age are just as powerful determinants of violence and criminality as sex.

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