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From The Guardian:

The unwelcome revival of ‘race science’

The long read

Its defenders claim to be standing up for uncomfortable truths, but race science is still as bogus as ever.

By Gavin Evans

Gavin Evans lectures first year and post-graduate students in journalism at Birkbeck, and over the past decade has also lectured at Birkbeck in critical thinking, media law, online journalism and aspects of media theory. He also supervises MA dissertations at Cardiff University, where he lectures in research methodology, and he is a senior lecturer at the London School of Journalism.”

Fri 2 Mar 2018

One of the strangest ironies of our time is that a body of thoroughly debunked “science” is being revived by people who claim to be defending truth against a rising tide of ignorance. The idea that certain races are inherently more intelligent than others is being trumpeted by a small group of anthropologists, IQ researchers, psychologists and pundits who portray themselves as noble dissidents, standing up for inconvenient facts. Through a surprising mix of fringe and mainstream media sources, these ideas are reaching a new audience, which regards them as proof of the superiority of certain races.

The claim that there is a link between race and intelligence is the main tenet of what is known as “race science” or, in many cases, “scientific racism”. …

The recent revival of ideas about race and IQ began with a seemingly benign scientific observation. In 2005, Steven Pinker, one of the world’s most prominent evolutionary psychologists, began promoting the view that Ashkenazi Jews are innately particularly intelligent – first in a lecture to a Jewish studies institute, then in a lengthy article in the liberal American magazine The New Republic the following year. This claim has long been the smiling face of race science; if it is true that Jews are naturally more intelligent, then it’s only logical to say that others are naturally less so.

The background to Pinker’s essay was a 2005 paper entitled “Natural history of Ashkenazi intelligence”, written by a trio of anthropologists at the University of Utah. In their 2005 paper, the anthropologists argued that high IQ scores among Ashkenazi Jews indicated that they evolved to be smarter than anyone else (including other groups of Jews). …

 
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  1. Data on Jewish IQ is “seemingly benign”. All that other stuff is evil, of course.

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  2. anon • Disclaimer says:

    “Gavin Evans lectures first year and post-graduate students in journalism at Birkbeck, and over the past decade has also lectured at Birkbeck in critical thinking, media law, online journalism and aspects of media theory. He also supervises MA dissertations at Cardiff University, where he lectures in research methodology, and he is a senior lecturer at the London School of Journalism.”

    You make fun of his scientific credentials, but be fair. You don’t know how many episodes of Bill Nye he’s seen. Or Neil Degrasse Tyson.

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    • Replies: @Eagle Eye

    Gavin Evans ... has also lectured at Birkbeck in critical thinking, ... and aspects of media theory.
     
    No doubt students are encouraged to pose daring critical challenges during Evans' "critical thinking" seminars.

    BTW what is "media theory"? And why is the graduation ceremony in this crucial discipline always held under a New Moon?

    , @JohnnyD
    Hey now, Neil Degrasse Tyson is going to be Wakanda's first Nobel Prize winner!
    , @AnotherDad

    You make fun of his scientific credentials, but be fair. You don’t know how many episodes of Bill Nye he’s seen. Or Neil Degrasse Tyson.
     
    It's more than just not knowing any of the science, the data, it's this fundamental innumeracy of our chattering classes.

    Any genetic trait which is not "fixed" in individuals is going to vary between groups.

    That's just math. Five fingers, five toes, two eyes--yeah the races are essentially the same in those traits. But anything where there is individual variance--skin, hair, eye color, height, body shape, musculature, blood types, on and on and on--must vary between groups as well. Groups are groups of individuals and the set of individuals is continually changing is people--with one set of traits--die, while other individuals--with a different set of traits--are born. If two groups, by some fluke are identical in some trait today ... they'll be different tomorrow. Selection and drift are always working away. (The only way you could beat that math is some sort of very precise balancing selection--akin to what we have for sex--that operates absolutely the same across all groups. And even the sex balance varies a bit racially.)

    And anyone who doesn't think selection is actively working on our mental hardware ... is just a complete clueless idiot. Our brains are the signature survival trait of humans, and obviously differentially affects survival, probably more than anything with the possible exception of disease resistance. But the way selection works--what sort of brains are being crafted--varies according to our widely varying (geographically and culturally) environments. Anyone who argues against that is flat out denying very basic biology--genetics and selection.


    How groups vary--which groups are taller/shorter, paler, redder, yellower, browner, blacker, thicker/thinner, more malaria resistance, more lactose tolerant, smarter, more cooperative, more violent ... --that is an experiemental, observational, data collection question. But that ethnic/racial groups will vary in all these non-fixed traits, that's just math.

    Having these math-phobic, innumerate "elites" lecturing us, "leading" our culture is a disaster, particularly at this point in time.

    , @Pseudonymic Handle
    Birkbeck has a nice rooftop bar. That adds a lot to this guy's credentials. Is not easy getting a job at a school that's located in one of the nicest areas of London AND has a rooftop bar.
    (Birkbeck is an autonomous school within U of London, not an university)
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  3. Massively off-topic,

    I’m sure that many of you have noticed how SJWs love to present their causes in terms of fantasy and SF narratives: Dumbledore’s Army, Rebels vs Empire, Wakanda Forever!, etc. Here’s an interesting discussion about this tendency:

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    • Replies: @Big Bill
    Thank you very much.
    , @Tim Howells
    Wow. Thanks. Aydin Paladin is now bookmarked.
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  4. Guardian: Pinker Is Culpable for “The Unwelcome Revival of ‘race Science’”

    Also known as noticing: See for example Nobel prizes or billionaires.

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  5. “Gavin Evans lectures first year and post-graduate students in journalism at Birkbeck, and over the past decade has also lectured at Birkbeck in critical thinking, media law, online journalism and aspects of media theory. He also supervises MA dissertations at Cardiff University, where he lectures in research methodology, and he is a senior lecturer at the London School of Journalism.”

    It’s amazing how journalists back in the 19th and early 20th centuries managed to get by without academic degrees in journalism……

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    • Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster
    "It’s amazing how journalists back in the 19th and early 20th centuries managed to get by without academic degrees in journalism……"

    And, they were a lot better journalists.
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  6. “In 2005, Steven Pinker … began promoting the view that Ashkenazi Jews are innately particularly intelligent”

    LOL! Before Pinker, no one, suspected or promoted it. The stupid goyishe kopfs.

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  7. STL says:

    For any readers in St. Louis, you can go see Steven Pinker speak at the St. Louis County Library.

    Author Event – Steven Pinker, “Enlightenment Now”
    Saturday, March 3, 2018 – 7:00p.m. to 9:00p.m.
    Headquarters
    FREE EVENT – NO TICKETS NECESSARY. DOORS OPEN AT 6:00 p.m.
    Is the world really falling apart? Is the ideal of progress obsolete? In this elegant assessment of the human condition in the third millennium, cognitive scientist and public intellectual Steven Pinker urges us to step back from the gory headlines and prophecies of doom. Pinker shows that life, health, prosperity, peace, knowledge, and happiness are on the rise, not just in the West, but worldwide. This progress is not the result of some cosmic force. It is a gift of the Enlightenment: the conviction that reason and science can enhance human flourishing

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  8. Has anyone here bothered reading the whole thing? It just seems like pure virtue-signalling point-and-sputter.

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    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Yes, but it's just more of the same. This time it's a journalist rehashing what the priesthood of social science holds as absolute truth.

    Maybe IQ differences can be explained by dark matter, and races only appear to exist because they are all receding away from each other. It simply must be true. Can't be any other explanation because it's all been decided.
    , @Unladen Swallow
    What else would you expect? Got about half way through and so far nothing but him screeching "HERETICS!!!" and "BLASPHEMPERS!!!" Critical thinking all right. I wonder if they realize how stupid they come across?
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  9. Pinker is one of those guys who probably agree with the Bell Curve but would never admit or deny it, just rather talk about other things. But it keeps coming back, and so all those psych-types who thought they could just ignore it are going to have to deal with it. The Summers/Watson route, of, “oh, I didn’t mean any of that”, doesn’t seem to really be better, in the sense that everyone knows you are either insincere or a coward.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    They don't have to worry about us, or any of the science. They can simply ignore us, and it. After all, they control the Narratives. What they do have to worry about is the slightest hint of apostasy on the part of their own forces. This is why internecine combat is often the most vicious when a real revolution gets underway.
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  10. @eric
    Pinker is one of those guys who probably agree with the Bell Curve but would never admit or deny it, just rather talk about other things. But it keeps coming back, and so all those psych-types who thought they could just ignore it are going to have to deal with it. The Summers/Watson route, of, "oh, I didn't mean any of that", doesn't seem to really be better, in the sense that everyone knows you are either insincere or a coward.

    They don’t have to worry about us, or any of the science. They can simply ignore us, and it. After all, they control the Narratives. What they do have to worry about is the slightest hint of apostasy on the part of their own forces. This is why internecine combat is often the most vicious when a real revolution gets underway.

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    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    They don’t have to worry about us, or any of the science. They can simply ignore us, and it. After all, they control the Narratives.
     
    Well that's their strategy.

    But no. They do have to worry about the science. The science is going to keep marching on--becoming every more explicit and "sciency", as in locating particular genes and interactions--whether they like it or not. Whatever they manage to ban here, the Chinese and others will be publishing anyway. Genetic services will be growing.

    Their narrative is basically doomed. Unfortunatley they may manage to doom us white people before this is sorted out. But the one thing that's for certain is that their narrative and world view will not be the future ... because it's a lie.
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  11. Forcing IQ and race denialists to keep repeating these shallow shibboleths and epicycles-and-phlogiston explanations about how the data really aren’t what they are has to have an effect over time. People like this sound really stupid when they have to state their case openly and you subtract the purple prose.

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  12. anon • Disclaimer says:

    As I’ve written before about the infamous “Goyishe Kop” story by Pinker, it seems to have not occurred to either Pinker or his haberdasher gramps that the supposed inability to fashion ties out of every last scrap of material by the shop’s goyim wasn’t necessarily due to stupidity. Of course it’s more satisfactory to call goyim stupid than to admit to some of the less charming traits of Pinker’s ethnic group.

    Maybe they weren’t all that motivated to squeeze every last cent out of material for the owner’s benefit? Or wouldn’t be even for their own benefit? How much effort people expend to squeeze every penny out of something is surely one of the qualities that differs between ethnic groups. And that’s at least partly why some groups are wayyyy over-represented on the Forbes 400. I personally feel ashamed trying to squeeze every penny out of every situation, but some folks have no compunction about it at all.

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    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    I personally feel ashamed trying to squeeze every penny out of every situation, but some folks have no compunction about it at all.
     
    This rings true. Stereotypes have some basis in reality, as we know.

    I have business stories of my own, looking from the outside in at people like Pinker and his grandfather. One example: A multimillionaire who owned five choice properties and a business would come into my office to argue over two dollars. He did this on more than one occasion, taking a special trip and at least part of an hour to do it. Without going into detail, there was no error, nothing wrong about the two dollars, but he simply would argue against it. And boy could he argue.

    Every last scrap, no matter what. I know the type very well. Perhaps they are "intelligent," but are they smart? Are they wise?

    , @Stan Adams

    I personally feel ashamed trying to squeeze every penny out of every situation, but some folks have no compunction about it at all.
     
    This isn't solely a Jewish thing. My mother is the biggest coupon-clipping cheapskate I've ever met.

    One time, when I was a kid, she made me get down on my hands and knees at the supermarket to locate a quarter that she had dropped. Another time, she yelled and screamed at me for half an hour after I inadvertently threw away an empty envelope with a new stamp on it. (She was more angry about the fact that I had thrown away her last stamp. She really wasn't in the mood to go out to the post office.)

    Many parents encourage their kids to leave a little bit of food on the plate. My mother always insisted that I eat every single bite of everything she gave me: "I paid good money for this food, and I'm not about to have you waste it!"

    Even today, she tends to go to the same stores over and over again. She gets to know the managers and figures out ways to sweet-talk them into giving her special discounts.

    My maternal grandmother used t0 compare my mother (unfavorably) with my paternal great-grandmother, who had similar penny-pinching (and ball-busting) tendencies.

    (Then again, my maternal grandmother was no spendthrift, either. She instilled in me the habit of always keeping one eye on the ground to spot any loose change that might be lying around.)
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  13. @AndrewR
    Has anyone here bothered reading the whole thing? It just seems like pure virtue-signalling point-and-sputter.

    Yes, but it’s just more of the same. This time it’s a journalist rehashing what the priesthood of social science holds as absolute truth.

    Maybe IQ differences can be explained by dark matter, and races only appear to exist because they are all receding away from each other. It simply must be true. Can’t be any other explanation because it’s all been decided.

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    • Replies: @helena
    why not say social studies, why pander to them
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  14. It amazes me that traits that are observable to the majority of the population are being denied. Men taller than women? Stronger? Blacks faster? These do not seem to matter….

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  15. Wow, crimethink that cites crimethink to make its case. That’s a full on head spinner there. Jews bad because of crimethinking. Who’d have (crime)thunk it?

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  16. OT: Steve’s right. We are living in a “golden” age of statues. This one of Harvey Weinstein in his bathrobe on the casting couch has appeared in Hollywood just in time for the Oscars:

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    • Replies: @Lurker
    Better that we don't look too closely at the plants behind.
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  17. thoroughly debunked,
    thoroughly debunked,
    thoroughly debunked.

    (write it on the blackboard 1000 times)

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    • LOL: Roderick Spode
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  18. Lot says:

    Denying than whites and NE Asians, and then even more so Ashkenazi have evolved higher intelligence has become a lot like denying evolution entirely. Everything we know about biology fits within the intellectual framework provided by Darwin, Huxley and Mendel. It must be exhausting to be an IQ egalitarian.

    You have to deny the validity or find bias with every single type of intelligence test.

    You have to deny the validity of every type of real world intelligence test, like income and education.

    You have to deny your own lying eyes.

    You have to deny that evolutionary selection for intelligence was any different in the literate, urbane, and inventive cultures of classical antiquity versus the naked fireless cavemen world of pre-contact Australia.

    You have to maintain higher intelligence was equally important to reproductive success to middle ages German Jews as middle ages Russian serfs.

    You have to maintain the people who built Notre Dame and the Paris Metro are no more intelligent than those who can’t build anything bigger than a straw hut.

    You have to deny the extreme and long term inbreeding by Arabs and Pakistani has had any negative consequences on their national IQs.

    Finally, you have to live with the humiliation of knowing you are a liar who defames better men such as Pinker and Cochran for telling the truth. And with no more secular reward than a byline in the Guardian.

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    • Agree: Peter Johnson, Brutusale
    • Replies: @anon
    You have to deny your own lying eyes.

    That's what I've always found so funny about it. We're not talking about some kind of subatomic particles that you need an electron microscope to even see.

    Generally speaking, if you talk to a person who has spoken to 100 white people, 100 black people, and 100 East Asian people, their observations will match up to the supposedly "thoroughly discredited" findings. They just have to come up with more and more epicycles to explain it.

    At one point, I probably would have explained it by saying he's English, so he just hasn't met that many black people. That's how it was for me, after all. I grew up in an all-white town, so I believed the Narrative. This was before the web, so the only ones you really ever heard from were the Talented Tenth. It wasn't until I went off to college that I started to see for himself.

    Of course, now, there are a lot more blacks in England, so it has to be deliberate denial.

    , @theo the kraut
    > And with no more secular reward than a byline in the Guardian.

    IMO it's a billion $ business. Google alone spent 265 millions in 3 years to fight for diversity, while Soros recently donated 18 billions to his many noble endeavours to the exact same end: the right of progressives and their newfound donor class to import themselves voters, welfare pets,* and cheap labour, to export jobs and to fight their victims as racists, bigots, nationalists, transphobics, misogynists, fat-shamers and what-so-effing-ever they come up with 24/7.

    * To be petted at taxpayer's expense

    That's one Western company and one billionaire out of thousands that do the same--Ford Foundation, Getty Foundation, forward.us etc pp. Corporate busybodies happy to shelve out billions, literally, each year to shit-studied shysters to advance progressive causes.

    dailywire.com/news/19515/epic-fail-google-spent-265-million-diversity-it-paul-bois (archive.is/sNLrP)

    A list of the billions in corporate interests involved in pushing transgender issues:
    thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology (archive.is/kOUrQ)

    money.cnn.com/2017/10/17/news/george-soros-18-billion-open-society-foundations (archive.is/Jib0x)
    , @Crawfurdmuir

    You have to maintain the people who built Notre Dame and the Paris Metro are no more intelligent than those who can’t build anything bigger than a straw hut.
     
    I am reminded by this that while the public reputation of Richard Dawkins is based on his vociferous atheism, his repute as a biologist is due to his concept of the "extended phenotype." He notes that the observable traits of an organism are not purely self-contained, but extend outside it.

    As an illustration, there are many species of potter wasps. All lay their eggs in small mud nests, each of which contains a grub or spider, paralysed by a sting, upon which the wasp's larva feeds after hatching. Despite this shared characteristic, each species of wasp build its nests in a distinct way. One may identify the species of the wasp that built a given nest by the characteristics of the nest. The peculiarity of the nest type is an example of the extended phenotype of the species.

    Inferring the artificer by his artifact reminds me first, oddly enough, of the Corpus Hermeticum -

    "And no one saith a statue or a picture comes to be without a sculptor or [without] a painter; doth [then] such workmanship as this exist without a Worker?" (C.H. v, 8)

    The context of this is a pagan version of the argument by design, which would probably not amuse Prof. Dawkins!

    Coming down to earth, though, do not the works of different races and ethnicities reflect their respective extended phenotypes?

    Thus, the extended phenotype of Europeans is seen in the artifacts of their culture, e.g., Notre Dame and the Paris Metro; and the extended phenotype of Africans, in the artifacts of theirs, e.g., the straw hut. The African extended phenotype, indeed, explains all the shared social phenomena that we observe in Detroit, Port-au-Prince, and Kinshasa.

    , @gregor
    It seems to have originated in the wake of WWII. The UNESCO statement on race was published in 1950, and it was a direct reaction to Nazism.

    I was reading through some of the published discussion of the statement,

    http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0007/000733/073351eo.pdf

    Most of the opinions were positive but there were notable dissenters such as Ronald Fisher, the renowned biologist who essentially invented modern statistics. You’d think you’d judge these matters, not by “developing consensus,” but by examining the actual quality of the assertions. The doctrine of scientific consensus holds that truth is determined by whether a majority of academics acquiesce to politically fashionable positions. At which point dissenters like crackpot Fisher can be dismissed as “thoroughly debunked,” “discredited,” and “pseudoscience” without bothering with any arguments or evidence.

    Here is one amusing bit of sophistry on page 23:

    In regard to intellectual qualities, higher intelligence was adaptive everywhere, all the time. Natural selection selected for higher intelligence in all human populations and for that reason human races do not differ in intellectual qualities.
     
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  19. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    There was a Guardian interview with Flynn of the Flynn effect a while back. Flynn of course is the hero of the IQ/race story in progressive circles since he is perceived to have cast doubt on the “genetically dumber” theory. But in the interview Flynn came out criticizing African-American culture and early child raising practices as the possible cause of lower IQ scores. That seemed to push him into the “possibly problematic” category in the eyes of the interviewer. You could sense the interviewer shaking his head and thinking about how tragic it is that Flynn has gone Nazi in his dotage.

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Honestly, after seeing some African-American "raising" practices, I would be seriously pushed into the nurture camp. You know how Gregory Clark says that you probably would need a bunt hammer on infants to make serious environmental differences on a baby's IQ into an adult?

    Well, between the drugs, the yelling and violence, I'm beginning to think that bunt hammer might exist after all.

    Not that I seriously want to steelman this argument, but I think there were studies that African children raised by white German couples had significant better results than their counterpoints as well.

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  20. You need to distinguish between the fact of racial group IQ differences and speculative theories about why that fact came to be. You can punch holes in the latter all day long, but it doesn’t change the former.

    Also, substitute “on average” for “inherently” to honestly represent the settled science.

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    You need to distinguish between the fact of racial group IQ differences and speculative theories about why that fact came to be.
     
    Theoretically, such differences MUST exist. Anyone who denies their existence is a liar or part of the extended phenotype of a liar.

    Intelligence is costly. Different environments will select for different cost/benefit balances.
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  21. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Okay, so we now have new categories for science.

    Welcome Science

    Unwelcome Science

    Btw, it’s not really about Racial Science but Racial Reality.

    Most people who are aware of racial differences don’t know much about DNA or evolutionary studies.
    They just notice it in crime, sports, sexual relations, education, music, and etc.

    Scientists offer data and theories on racial differences, but one has to be pretty blind not to notice them.

    Also, Progs also base their ideas, attitudes, and policy on racial differences. After all, why does UK especially push a certain kind of interracial pairing on TV and movies and music? Black male and white female. It’s based on the feeling, even if subconscious, that the black male is more masculine than the white male, therefore the white female should go with the Negro while the white male eases into the role of wussy cuck

    Here is an earlier article by Gavin Evans.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2011/jan/07/gary-mason-obituary

    It’s about a Negro British champion in a nation where blacks are a minority. Why did the Negro beat up all the native whites and hump so many white women?
    Gee, do you think it has anything to do with racial differences?

    Welcome the Africans and Negroes and have them take over white wombs BUT don’t welcome the science that explains why it’s happening.

    What a cuck.

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  22. @anon
    As I've written before about the infamous "Goyishe Kop" story by Pinker, it seems to have not occurred to either Pinker or his haberdasher gramps that the supposed inability to fashion ties out of every last scrap of material by the shop's goyim wasn't necessarily due to stupidity. Of course it's more satisfactory to call goyim stupid than to admit to some of the less charming traits of Pinker's ethnic group.

    Maybe they weren't all that motivated to squeeze every last cent out of material for the owner's benefit? Or wouldn't be even for their own benefit? How much effort people expend to squeeze every penny out of something is surely one of the qualities that differs between ethnic groups. And that's at least partly why some groups are wayyyy over-represented on the Forbes 400. I personally feel ashamed trying to squeeze every penny out of every situation, but some folks have no compunction about it at all.

    I personally feel ashamed trying to squeeze every penny out of every situation, but some folks have no compunction about it at all.

    This rings true. Stereotypes have some basis in reality, as we know.

    I have business stories of my own, looking from the outside in at people like Pinker and his grandfather. One example: A multimillionaire who owned five choice properties and a business would come into my office to argue over two dollars. He did this on more than one occasion, taking a special trip and at least part of an hour to do it. Without going into detail, there was no error, nothing wrong about the two dollars, but he simply would argue against it. And boy could he argue.

    Every last scrap, no matter what. I know the type very well. Perhaps they are “intelligent,” but are they smart? Are they wise?

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    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Before anybody chimes in and says the man in my story must have gotten rich because he was so particular about every last dollar: No. You're wrong. He always dealt in large assets and came from a wealthy family to begin with.

    Maybe some ancestor originally built the fortune by being so penny-pinching; maybe his whole family was like that, but it did the man no good at all. It cost him far more in time and resources than it was ever worth, not to mention what it did to his business relationship with me, which had a value of its own.

    And he is just one, typical example.

    When you can't switch off a behavior to suit new situations, you are not intelligent, you are a stupid animal running on instinct.

    , @anon
    A multimillionaire who owned five choice properties and a business would come into my office to argue over two dollars. He did this on more than one occasion, taking a special trip and at least part of an hour to do it.

    Well, At least now we know what happened to the paperboy from Better Off Dead after he grew up.

    https://youtu.be/iayLBI7nsE0
    , @Dieter Kief
    Interesting story, thanks.

    "Life-forms" (Middle Ages historian Arno Borst) need not be wise or smart - they have to work.

    Many character traits, customs etc. therefore are not only a feature, but a bug as well. - That's why we all need to be critizised - and that's why Steve Sailer in his review of Pniker's Enlightenment Now! is damm well right, when he draws the consequence from the major inequalities, that the Forbes-400 list indicates: That being rich should by no means mean, to kinda own the megaphone - and bequiet the rest (= almost all of us).
    , @bomag
    I haven't noticed much correlation between the intelligence that gives us the prized breakthroughs (and maintenance) in science with penny pinching characteristics.

    I have noticed that many who get ahead financially have a sort of "pimp eye" for seeing and exploiting financial situations, a trait not particularly linked to intelligence. As noted in a nearby story, America the weak-willed victim attracts a lot of such immigrants who set up various financial scams.
    , @Franklin Ryckaert
    After having developed a science to assess people's IQ, perhaps we also should develop a science to assess people's GQ (greed quotient). Especially relevant for the people you mention !
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Back in the day when I was handling the financials (including billing) for a very high-end San Francisco catering company I had an intense "discussion" with a member of the tribe (older female) about the price we charged for ice ($7/bag, this was the early 90's).

    The event was a small sit-down dinner party at her home where our total fee was in excess of $20K. But she wanted basically to be comped the ice. Which I did.

    That was another point in my red-pilling.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Without going into detail, there was no error, nothing wrong about the two dollars, but he simply would argue against it.
     
    My wife doesn't understand why I get all riled up about losing 50 cents in a soda machine. It's only $.50, right? Why am I risking injury by kicking the beast?

    But to me, it's a moral issue. I don't give a damn about being out four bits. What's enraging is the fact that THEY HAVE IT.

    It's possible that this is this man's psychological stance as well.

    Robert X Cringely told the story of Bill Gates holding up a line in an ice cream shop while reaching into his pocket for a crumpled coupon.


    This rings true. Stereotypes have some basis in reality, as we know.
     
    Steven Goldberg has written some very good essays on stereotypes, one of which is "Are Stereotypes True?" He says yes.

    But he notes that uncomfortable stereotypes are not necessarily denied, but instead respun. Of course, when you write about this subject, you're pretty much restricted to discussing only your own group, so readers don't immediately close their minds.

    Thus, he explains that his fellow Jews do see the same trait in themselves that others see in them. But instead of it being "pushy", it's now "enterprising". (Or something similar. I don't have the book with me.)

    , @Melendwyr
    It's at least partially the principle of the thing. If you think you're getting ripped off, even on a small matter, refusing to accept it prevents people from thinking you're an easy mark and trying to take advantage on larger things.
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  23. The teletransporter awaits your reservation to beautiful Wakanda. No memories necessary.

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  24. An obscure journalism prof with no academic credentials in the sciences accuses a world-renowned Harvard prof with over 70,000 citations of being a promoter of bogus science. And in that highly respected academic journal, The Guardian, no less.
    As Professor Pinker’s grandpa might say admiringly, “Now that’s chutzpah!”

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    Yes, when I want to catch up on the latest in scientific thought, I always pay attention to what the journalism professors are thinking on the subject.
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  25. @Anonymous
    There was a Guardian interview with Flynn of the Flynn effect a while back. Flynn of course is the hero of the IQ/race story in progressive circles since he is perceived to have cast doubt on the "genetically dumber" theory. But in the interview Flynn came out criticizing African-American culture and early child raising practices as the possible cause of lower IQ scores. That seemed to push him into the "possibly problematic" category in the eyes of the interviewer. You could sense the interviewer shaking his head and thinking about how tragic it is that Flynn has gone Nazi in his dotage.

    Honestly, after seeing some African-American “raising” practices, I would be seriously pushed into the nurture camp. You know how Gregory Clark says that you probably would need a bunt hammer on infants to make serious environmental differences on a baby’s IQ into an adult?

    Well, between the drugs, the yelling and violence, I’m beginning to think that bunt hammer might exist after all.

    Not that I seriously want to steelman this argument, but I think there were studies that African children raised by white German couples had significant better results than their counterpoints as well.

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    They're better than their cousins in the ghetto but not much better than whites. Similarly when blacks enter a white school district or neighborhood, they benefit, but the original residents suffer. The answer is not to confuse helping people with replacing people.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Good grief. Can we put to bed the half German kids born to American black soldiers. Sorry, but are you that dense.

    At the time (and currently) the military test applicants to make sure that they have an IQ above 85 - the black average. That's the bottom! So the worst blacks allowed into the military are average intelligence for the overall black population. Presumably, the average black allowed into the military would be far higher than the worst black, so let's say around 100 IQ. In addition, the blacks sent over to Germany might be a tad higher than the average black in the military, so let's say ~105 IQ.

    Wow, how shocking that kids of ~100 IQ German women and ~105 American black military men were fairly close to 100 IQ and thus far higher than your average African American in terms of intelligence.

    In addition, because the military requires discipline, organization and the ability to follow orders (all heritable traits), it's not surprising that those children were far superior in those traits than your average African American.

    So, no, it's not nuture, as you would hope to believe. It's nature - as it always is.

    Sure, would blacks do better without the Gangsta culture? Of course. But forcing a more European or Asian culture (Mr. Chieh) wouldn't only temper their natural instincts. In addition, they would revert to their natural instincts once their overlords stepped away.

    Blacks raise their kids the way that feels natural to them. Trying to stop that is a bit like holding a chair over your head. You can do it for awhile, but sooner or later, gravity wins.

    , @phil
    Dan,

    You're better than that! Following Plomin, the home environment is conditioned by genes more so than people are shaped by their home environment (at least in the long run). If the home environment were decisive, biologically unrelated children reared in the same adoptive family would systematically tend to turn out similar to one another in terms of intelligence and personality--but they don't.

    Regarding "African" children raised by German mothers, you seem to be referring to the Eyferth study:
    "The Eyferth study is the name often given to a study conducted by psychologist Klaus Eyferth concerning the IQs of white and racially mixed children in post-Second World War West Germany. The mothers of the children studied were white German women, while their fathers were white and African-American members of the US occupation forces." (Wikipedia)

    This study is not highly regarded by most experts on transracial adoption because the biological fathers of the black children had been screened before induction into the armed forces. They were thus not representative of all black fathers; they were more intelligent than other blacks on average.

    In contrast, the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study found that, by adulthood, black children raised in upper-middle class white families did not average higher average IQs than other black children in Minnesota, and they were still more likely to be more extroverted and impulsive than white children turn out to be.
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  26. @Buzz Mohawk

    I personally feel ashamed trying to squeeze every penny out of every situation, but some folks have no compunction about it at all.
     
    This rings true. Stereotypes have some basis in reality, as we know.

    I have business stories of my own, looking from the outside in at people like Pinker and his grandfather. One example: A multimillionaire who owned five choice properties and a business would come into my office to argue over two dollars. He did this on more than one occasion, taking a special trip and at least part of an hour to do it. Without going into detail, there was no error, nothing wrong about the two dollars, but he simply would argue against it. And boy could he argue.

    Every last scrap, no matter what. I know the type very well. Perhaps they are "intelligent," but are they smart? Are they wise?

    Before anybody chimes in and says the man in my story must have gotten rich because he was so particular about every last dollar: No. You’re wrong. He always dealt in large assets and came from a wealthy family to begin with.

    Maybe some ancestor originally built the fortune by being so penny-pinching; maybe his whole family was like that, but it did the man no good at all. It cost him far more in time and resources than it was ever worth, not to mention what it did to his business relationship with me, which had a value of its own.

    And he is just one, typical example.

    When you can’t switch off a behavior to suit new situations, you are not intelligent, you are a stupid animal running on instinct.

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    When you can’t switch off a behavior to suit new situations, you are not intelligent, you are a stupid animal running on instinct.
     
    That's a great insight, Buzz. How much of success is based on beneficial instincts versus the ability to adapt to a new situation? Probably a lot, though this would also likely have a nurture component. It would be very interesting to define and quantify the latter characteristic, the ability to adapt.
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  27. @anon

    “Gavin Evans lectures first year and post-graduate students in journalism at Birkbeck, and over the past decade has also lectured at Birkbeck in critical thinking, media law, online journalism and aspects of media theory. He also supervises MA dissertations at Cardiff University, where he lectures in research methodology, and he is a senior lecturer at the London School of Journalism.”
     
    You make fun of his scientific credentials, but be fair. You don't know how many episodes of Bill Nye he's seen. Or Neil Degrasse Tyson.

    Gavin Evans … has also lectured at Birkbeck in critical thinking, … and aspects of media theory.

    No doubt students are encouraged to pose daring critical challenges during Evans’ “critical thinking” seminars.

    BTW what is “media theory”? And why is the graduation ceremony in this crucial discipline always held under a New Moon?

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  28. @Daniel Chieh
    Honestly, after seeing some African-American "raising" practices, I would be seriously pushed into the nurture camp. You know how Gregory Clark says that you probably would need a bunt hammer on infants to make serious environmental differences on a baby's IQ into an adult?

    Well, between the drugs, the yelling and violence, I'm beginning to think that bunt hammer might exist after all.

    Not that I seriously want to steelman this argument, but I think there were studies that African children raised by white German couples had significant better results than their counterpoints as well.

    They’re better than their cousins in the ghetto but not much better than whites. Similarly when blacks enter a white school district or neighborhood, they benefit, but the original residents suffer. The answer is not to confuse helping people with replacing people.

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  29. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    Denying than whites and NE Asians, and then even more so Ashkenazi have evolved higher intelligence has become a lot like denying evolution entirely. Everything we know about biology fits within the intellectual framework provided by Darwin, Huxley and Mendel. It must be exhausting to be an IQ egalitarian.

    You have to deny the validity or find bias with every single type of intelligence test.

    You have to deny the validity of every type of real world intelligence test, like income and education.

    You have to deny your own lying eyes.

    You have to deny that evolutionary selection for intelligence was any different in the literate, urbane, and inventive cultures of classical antiquity versus the naked fireless cavemen world of pre-contact Australia.

    You have to maintain higher intelligence was equally important to reproductive success to middle ages German Jews as middle ages Russian serfs.

    You have to maintain the people who built Notre Dame and the Paris Metro are no more intelligent than those who can't build anything bigger than a straw hut.

    You have to deny the extreme and long term inbreeding by Arabs and Pakistani has had any negative consequences on their national IQs.

    Finally, you have to live with the humiliation of knowing you are a liar who defames better men such as Pinker and Cochran for telling the truth. And with no more secular reward than a byline in the Guardian.

    You have to deny your own lying eyes.

    That’s what I’ve always found so funny about it. We’re not talking about some kind of subatomic particles that you need an electron microscope to even see.

    Generally speaking, if you talk to a person who has spoken to 100 white people, 100 black people, and 100 East Asian people, their observations will match up to the supposedly “thoroughly discredited” findings. They just have to come up with more and more epicycles to explain it.

    At one point, I probably would have explained it by saying he’s English, so he just hasn’t met that many black people. That’s how it was for me, after all. I grew up in an all-white town, so I believed the Narrative. This was before the web, so the only ones you really ever heard from were the Talented Tenth. It wasn’t until I went off to college that I started to see for himself.

    Of course, now, there are a lot more blacks in England, so it has to be deliberate denial.

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    He teaches in England but grew up and went to college in South Africa.
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  30. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I personally feel ashamed trying to squeeze every penny out of every situation, but some folks have no compunction about it at all.
     
    This rings true. Stereotypes have some basis in reality, as we know.

    I have business stories of my own, looking from the outside in at people like Pinker and his grandfather. One example: A multimillionaire who owned five choice properties and a business would come into my office to argue over two dollars. He did this on more than one occasion, taking a special trip and at least part of an hour to do it. Without going into detail, there was no error, nothing wrong about the two dollars, but he simply would argue against it. And boy could he argue.

    Every last scrap, no matter what. I know the type very well. Perhaps they are "intelligent," but are they smart? Are they wise?

    A multimillionaire who owned five choice properties and a business would come into my office to argue over two dollars. He did this on more than one occasion, taking a special trip and at least part of an hour to do it.

    Well, At least now we know what happened to the paperboy from Better Off Dead after he grew up.

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  31. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/02/the-unwelcome-revival-of-race-science

    Race, like intelligence, is a notoriously slippery concept. Individuals often share more genes with members of other races than with members of their own race. Indeed, many academics have argued that race is a social construct – which is not to deny that there are groups of people (“population groups”, in the scientific nomenclature) that share a high amount of genetic inheritance.

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    We must secure the existence of our population group.
    , @MEH 0910
    Gavin Evans writing in The Guardian back in 2003:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/nov/14/race.highereducation


    But the most significant fallacy within this kind of pseudo-science goes to the heart of our current knowledge about human evolution. It is now beyond serious dispute that we all emerged from Africa, and that in scientific terms the concept of race is of little significance. The Harvard geneticist Dr Richard Lewontin, for example, stresses that individuals rather than races are the repositories of genetic variability, and that racial classifications are products of society rather than biology. For instance, relatively settled African populations in central Africa have far greater genetic diversity than anywhere else on the planet. We may choose to identify them by their common skin colour and hair type, but in genetic terms these individuals may have more in common with, say, white Anglo Saxons.
     
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  32. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence:

    Ashkenazi Jews have won more than one quarter of the Westinghouse Science prizes, the Turing Awards, and Fields Medals.
    54 percent of the world’s chess champions have Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry.
    Among National Medal of Science recipients, 37 percent have Ashkenazi Jewish backgrounds.
    29 percent of U.S. Nobel Prize winners are of Ashkenazi Jewish origin.
    38 percent of American Nobel laureates in physics are of Ashkenazi Jewish descent.
    42 percent of Nobel laureates in medicine or physiology are Ashkenazi Jews.
    28 percent of U.S. prize winners in chemistry are Ashkenazi Jewish Americans.
    Ashkenazi Jews comprise 33 percent of the student body and faculty at Ivy League and other elite universities in the United States.
    30 percent of the U.S. Supreme Court law clerks are Ashkenazi Jews.

    All of these facts are merely because Jews have a culture that promotes hard work and — no, that would be implying that other cultures promote people to work less hard. I guess they’re just lucky.

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    I would like to know what % of Ashkenazi Jews there are sitting on the committees that make the awards . And of course there is the ever present risk of being labeled a Nazi for voting the wrong way .
    , @European Man
    Pinker is far less willing to attribute the Enlightenment to Whites, and Modern Science. Fact is Jews have done well inside White created nations, and creating nations requires a lot of talent, fortitude, honor. Jews were not very good at nation creating, empire making, glory. Whites, in many countries in Europe, have achieved highest levels of creativity in all areas of life than any other race, by far; see The Uniqueness of Western Civilization, by Duchesne.
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  33. @Daniel Chieh
    Honestly, after seeing some African-American "raising" practices, I would be seriously pushed into the nurture camp. You know how Gregory Clark says that you probably would need a bunt hammer on infants to make serious environmental differences on a baby's IQ into an adult?

    Well, between the drugs, the yelling and violence, I'm beginning to think that bunt hammer might exist after all.

    Not that I seriously want to steelman this argument, but I think there were studies that African children raised by white German couples had significant better results than their counterpoints as well.

    Good grief. Can we put to bed the half German kids born to American black soldiers. Sorry, but are you that dense.

    At the time (and currently) the military test applicants to make sure that they have an IQ above 85 – the black average. That’s the bottom! So the worst blacks allowed into the military are average intelligence for the overall black population. Presumably, the average black allowed into the military would be far higher than the worst black, so let’s say around 100 IQ. In addition, the blacks sent over to Germany might be a tad higher than the average black in the military, so let’s say ~105 IQ.

    Wow, how shocking that kids of ~100 IQ German women and ~105 American black military men were fairly close to 100 IQ and thus far higher than your average African American in terms of intelligence.

    In addition, because the military requires discipline, organization and the ability to follow orders (all heritable traits), it’s not surprising that those children were far superior in those traits than your average African American.

    So, no, it’s not nuture, as you would hope to believe. It’s nature – as it always is.

    Sure, would blacks do better without the Gangsta culture? Of course. But forcing a more European or Asian culture (Mr. Chieh) wouldn’t only temper their natural instincts. In addition, they would revert to their natural instincts once their overlords stepped away.

    Blacks raise their kids the way that feels natural to them. Trying to stop that is a bit like holding a chair over your head. You can do it for awhile, but sooner or later, gravity wins.

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    Hey Roseanne Roseannadanna try to make sure you understand the comment you're replying to .
    , @anon
    Kids of black GIs who served in Germany and knocked up German women formed the basis of the U.S. soccer National team, maybe still do. These kids, raised in the superior German soccer system, and possessing some of the athletic advantages of blacks, unfortunately weren't quite good enough to play for Germany, which is how the U.S. soccer officials (most notably, ex-NT coach Juergen Klinsmann), got them to sign up.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Well, there are obviously "nurture" or environmental effects: enough exposure to lead and one identical twin will develop meaningful damage, while while his unexposed counterpart won't. The former will have a developmental delay and lowered cognitive capacities.

    And of course, blacks in white-run Rhodesia had generally higher education, life expectancies and income than in post-Mugabe Zimbabwe; I actually knew a black Nigeria from then and there, and he benefited significantly from British-style boarding schools.

    But I don't disagree about the general importance of nature, or indeed, that even nurture comes from nature. Blacks(like others) do better in two-parent households, but 70% of black families are single mothers and this is the prevailing trend in Africa as well. Ancedotally, seeing how much my white wife and her mother dotes on our newborn, I have to admit that it really does seem to be much more naturally prone to a loving tendency beyond most East Asian women that I know(which are much more focused on efficiency).

    , @Franklin Ryckaert
    "...Blacks raise their kids the way that feels natural to them..."

    Like with all racial groups, their nurture is a reflection of their nature.
    , @Corvinus
    "In addition, because the military requires discipline, organization and the ability to follow orders (all heritable traits)..."

    No. A person who is disciplined, or organized, or follows directions, MAY have a predisposition to , act in that manner, but there is are also environmental considerations to take into account.

    "So, no, it’s not nuture, as you would hope to believe. It’s nature – as it always is."

    Nature and nurture.

    "But forcing a more European or Asian culture (Mr. Chieh) wouldn’t only temper their natural instincts. In addition, they would revert to their natural instincts once their overlords stepped away."

    Of course, you have the audacity to refuse to consider the "natural instincts" of European whites--the invasion and inviting of the world. Clearly, their inborn greed and violence is unmatched, as evident by their imperialist endeavors. The European menfolk certainly enjoyed jackbooting small children and planting their seed in "inferior" women of color, two actions that mark their proclivities for bloodlust. Global conquerers aside, let us not forget those white Europeans who pushed forward the most heinous of agendas--Progressivism.
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  34. @MEH 0910
    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/02/the-unwelcome-revival-of-race-science

    Race, like intelligence, is a notoriously slippery concept. Individuals often share more genes with members of other races than with members of their own race. Indeed, many academics have argued that race is a social construct – which is not to deny that there are groups of people (“population groups”, in the scientific nomenclature) that share a high amount of genetic inheritance.
     

    We must secure the existence of our population group.

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  35. @Buzz Mohawk
    OT: Steve's right. We are living in a "golden" age of statues. This one of Harvey Weinstein in his bathrobe on the casting couch has appeared in Hollywood just in time for the Oscars:

    https://uinterview.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/weinstein-plastic-jesus-statue-1.jpg

    Better that we don’t look too closely at the plants behind.

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  36. @anon

    “Gavin Evans lectures first year and post-graduate students in journalism at Birkbeck, and over the past decade has also lectured at Birkbeck in critical thinking, media law, online journalism and aspects of media theory. He also supervises MA dissertations at Cardiff University, where he lectures in research methodology, and he is a senior lecturer at the London School of Journalism.”
     
    You make fun of his scientific credentials, but be fair. You don't know how many episodes of Bill Nye he's seen. Or Neil Degrasse Tyson.

    Hey now, Neil Degrasse Tyson is going to be Wakanda’s first Nobel Prize winner!

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    Too late....Obama beat him.
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  37. @Daniel Chieh
    Honestly, after seeing some African-American "raising" practices, I would be seriously pushed into the nurture camp. You know how Gregory Clark says that you probably would need a bunt hammer on infants to make serious environmental differences on a baby's IQ into an adult?

    Well, between the drugs, the yelling and violence, I'm beginning to think that bunt hammer might exist after all.

    Not that I seriously want to steelman this argument, but I think there were studies that African children raised by white German couples had significant better results than their counterpoints as well.

    Dan,

    You’re better than that! Following Plomin, the home environment is conditioned by genes more so than people are shaped by their home environment (at least in the long run). If the home environment were decisive, biologically unrelated children reared in the same adoptive family would systematically tend to turn out similar to one another in terms of intelligence and personality–but they don’t.

    Regarding “African” children raised by German mothers, you seem to be referring to the Eyferth study:
    “The Eyferth study is the name often given to a study conducted by psychologist Klaus Eyferth concerning the IQs of white and racially mixed children in post-Second World War West Germany. The mothers of the children studied were white German women, while their fathers were white and African-American members of the US occupation forces.” (Wikipedia)

    This study is not highly regarded by most experts on transracial adoption because the biological fathers of the black children had been screened before induction into the armed forces. They were thus not representative of all black fathers; they were more intelligent than other blacks on average.

    In contrast, the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study found that, by adulthood, black children raised in upper-middle class white families did not average higher average IQs than other black children in Minnesota, and they were still more likely to be more extroverted and impulsive than white children turn out to be.

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    My point simply was that dropped babies probably have worse lifetime outcomes.

    It was mostly a throwaway comment, but its interesting to learn that they weren't adoptees, but mixed descendents of the Eyferth study.
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  38. @Roderick Spode
    From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence:

    Ashkenazi Jews have won more than one quarter of the Westinghouse Science prizes, the Turing Awards, and Fields Medals.
    54 percent of the world's chess champions have Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry.
    Among National Medal of Science recipients, 37 percent have Ashkenazi Jewish backgrounds.
    29 percent of U.S. Nobel Prize winners are of Ashkenazi Jewish origin.
    38 percent of American Nobel laureates in physics are of Ashkenazi Jewish descent.
    42 percent of Nobel laureates in medicine or physiology are Ashkenazi Jews.
    28 percent of U.S. prize winners in chemistry are Ashkenazi Jewish Americans.
    Ashkenazi Jews comprise 33 percent of the student body and faculty at Ivy League and other elite universities in the United States.
    30 percent of the U.S. Supreme Court law clerks are Ashkenazi Jews.
     
    All of these facts are merely because Jews have a culture that promotes hard work and -- no, that would be implying that other cultures promote people to work less hard. I guess they're just lucky.

    I would like to know what % of Ashkenazi Jews there are sitting on the committees that make the awards . And of course there is the ever present risk of being labeled a Nazi for voting the wrong way .

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    Jewish success, in whatever endeavor, has to be ascribed to a combination of higher IQ (which is real, like it or not) + ethnic nepotism + "chutzpah". If you only have high IQ but no ethnic support or "chutzpah", you cannot compete with these people.
    , @James N. Kennett

    I would like to know what % of Ashkenazi Jews there are sitting on the committees that make the awards . And of course there is the ever present risk of being labeled a Nazi for voting the wrong way .
     
    If you have studied physics long enough, you realize that those Nobel Prizes were earned. Also, there are Ashkenazi Jews (e.g. Vera Rubin) who deserved the award but were ignored by the committees.

    A strange kind of cognitive dissonance exists in people who can accept the fact of Jewish overachievement in science, technology, and business; but who insist that (the less spectacular) white gentile overachievement can only be the result of their oppression of underachieving minorities. Paradoxically, this view is often expressed by Ashkenazi Jews! If Jewish achievements in politics and the media were as significant and as beneficial as those in other fields of endeavor, the world would be a better place.
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  39. @Anonymous
    You need to distinguish between the fact of racial group IQ differences and speculative theories about why that fact came to be. You can punch holes in the latter all day long, but it doesn't change the former.

    Also, substitute "on average" for "inherently" to honestly represent the settled science.

    You need to distinguish between the fact of racial group IQ differences and speculative theories about why that fact came to be.

    Theoretically, such differences MUST exist. Anyone who denies their existence is a liar or part of the extended phenotype of a liar.

    Intelligence is costly. Different environments will select for different cost/benefit balances.

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  40. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Good grief. Can we put to bed the half German kids born to American black soldiers. Sorry, but are you that dense.

    At the time (and currently) the military test applicants to make sure that they have an IQ above 85 - the black average. That's the bottom! So the worst blacks allowed into the military are average intelligence for the overall black population. Presumably, the average black allowed into the military would be far higher than the worst black, so let's say around 100 IQ. In addition, the blacks sent over to Germany might be a tad higher than the average black in the military, so let's say ~105 IQ.

    Wow, how shocking that kids of ~100 IQ German women and ~105 American black military men were fairly close to 100 IQ and thus far higher than your average African American in terms of intelligence.

    In addition, because the military requires discipline, organization and the ability to follow orders (all heritable traits), it's not surprising that those children were far superior in those traits than your average African American.

    So, no, it's not nuture, as you would hope to believe. It's nature - as it always is.

    Sure, would blacks do better without the Gangsta culture? Of course. But forcing a more European or Asian culture (Mr. Chieh) wouldn't only temper their natural instincts. In addition, they would revert to their natural instincts once their overlords stepped away.

    Blacks raise their kids the way that feels natural to them. Trying to stop that is a bit like holding a chair over your head. You can do it for awhile, but sooner or later, gravity wins.

    Hey Roseanne Roseannadanna try to make sure you understand the comment you’re replying to .

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  41. The Guardian should be called Guardians of the Fallacy.

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  42. @phil
    Dan,

    You're better than that! Following Plomin, the home environment is conditioned by genes more so than people are shaped by their home environment (at least in the long run). If the home environment were decisive, biologically unrelated children reared in the same adoptive family would systematically tend to turn out similar to one another in terms of intelligence and personality--but they don't.

    Regarding "African" children raised by German mothers, you seem to be referring to the Eyferth study:
    "The Eyferth study is the name often given to a study conducted by psychologist Klaus Eyferth concerning the IQs of white and racially mixed children in post-Second World War West Germany. The mothers of the children studied were white German women, while their fathers were white and African-American members of the US occupation forces." (Wikipedia)

    This study is not highly regarded by most experts on transracial adoption because the biological fathers of the black children had been screened before induction into the armed forces. They were thus not representative of all black fathers; they were more intelligent than other blacks on average.

    In contrast, the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study found that, by adulthood, black children raised in upper-middle class white families did not average higher average IQs than other black children in Minnesota, and they were still more likely to be more extroverted and impulsive than white children turn out to be.

    My point simply was that dropped babies probably have worse lifetime outcomes.

    It was mostly a throwaway comment, but its interesting to learn that they weren’t adoptees, but mixed descendents of the Eyferth study.

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  43. @Lot
    Denying than whites and NE Asians, and then even more so Ashkenazi have evolved higher intelligence has become a lot like denying evolution entirely. Everything we know about biology fits within the intellectual framework provided by Darwin, Huxley and Mendel. It must be exhausting to be an IQ egalitarian.

    You have to deny the validity or find bias with every single type of intelligence test.

    You have to deny the validity of every type of real world intelligence test, like income and education.

    You have to deny your own lying eyes.

    You have to deny that evolutionary selection for intelligence was any different in the literate, urbane, and inventive cultures of classical antiquity versus the naked fireless cavemen world of pre-contact Australia.

    You have to maintain higher intelligence was equally important to reproductive success to middle ages German Jews as middle ages Russian serfs.

    You have to maintain the people who built Notre Dame and the Paris Metro are no more intelligent than those who can't build anything bigger than a straw hut.

    You have to deny the extreme and long term inbreeding by Arabs and Pakistani has had any negative consequences on their national IQs.

    Finally, you have to live with the humiliation of knowing you are a liar who defames better men such as Pinker and Cochran for telling the truth. And with no more secular reward than a byline in the Guardian.

    > And with no more secular reward than a byline in the Guardian.

    IMO it’s a billion $ business. Google alone spent 265 millions in 3 years to fight for diversity, while Soros recently donated 18 billions to his many noble endeavours to the exact same end: the right of progressives and their newfound donor class to import themselves voters, welfare pets,* and cheap labour, to export jobs and to fight their victims as racists, bigots, nationalists, transphobics, misogynists, fat-shamers and what-so-effing-ever they come up with 24/7.

    * To be petted at taxpayer’s expense

    That’s one Western company and one billionaire out of thousands that do the same–Ford Foundation, Getty Foundation, forward.us etc pp. Corporate busybodies happy to shelve out billions, literally, each year to shit-studied shysters to advance progressive causes.

    dailywire.com/news/19515/epic-fail-google-spent-265-million-diversity-it-paul-bois (archive.is/sNLrP)

    A list of the billions in corporate interests involved in pushing transgender issues:
    thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology (archive.is/kOUrQ)

    money.cnn.com/2017/10/17/news/george-soros-18-billion-open-society-foundations (archive.is/Jib0x)

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    Absolutely. You have to look at articles like this as a sort of CV attachment or part of a very extended job application form. There are plenty of places at the top for goodthinkers.
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  44. Amazon’s Gavin Evans Page

    I was born in London and grew up in Cape Town, Port Elizabeth, San Marcos, Texas and Johannesburg where I was intensely involved in anti-apartheid activities in the 1980s, both semi-legally and in the underground. Along the way I completed degrees in economic history, an LLB law degree and an MA and PhD in politics while working as a journalist for several South African newspapers and as a foreign correspondent for IPS. I returned to London early in 1993 and continued to work as writer and broadcaster.
    ……
    My last two books have related to genetics. Two years ago I wrote ‘Black Brain, White Brain: is intelligence skin-deep?’ (Thistle & Jonathan Ball), which was shortlisted for the Recht Malan non-fiction prize. It critiques racist IQ theories, and race science more generally. My latest book is ‘Mapreaders & Multitaskers: men, women, nature, nurture’ (Thistle), which argues that the differences in the minds and brains of men and women are hugely exaggerated.

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    Amazon's Gavin Evans Page

    I was born in London and grew up in Cape Town, Port Elizabeth, San Marcos, Texas and Johannesburg where I was intensely involved in anti-apartheid activities in the 1980s, both semi-legally and in the underground. Along the way I completed degrees in economic history, an LLB law degree and an MA and PhD in politics while working as a journalist for several South African newspapers and as a foreign correspondent for IPS. I returned to London early in 1993 and continued to work as writer and broadcaster.
    ......
    My last two books have related to genetics. Two years ago I wrote 'Black Brain, White Brain: is intelligence skin-deep?' (Thistle & Jonathan Ball), which was shortlisted for the Recht Malan non-fiction prize. It critiques racist IQ theories, and race science more generally. My latest book is 'Mapreaders & Multitaskers: men, women, nature, nurture' (Thistle), which argues that the differences in the minds and brains of men and women are hugely exaggerated.
     

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    From Intelligence (September-October 2013):
    IQ and the wealth of nations: How much reverse causality?
    Gregory B. Christainsen

    Article history:
    Received 25 February 2013
    Received in revised form 29 June 2013
    Accepted 19 July 2013

    ABSTRACT
    This paper uses data from 130 IQ test administrations worldwide and employs regression analysis
    to try to quantify the impact of living conditions on average IQ scores in nationally-representative
    samples. The study emphasizes the possible role of conditions at or near the test-takers' time of
    birth. The paper finds that the impact of living conditions is of much smaller magnitude than is
    suggested by just looking at correlations between average IQ scores and socioeconomic indicators.
    After controlling for test-takers' region of ancestry, the impact of parasitic diseases on average IQ
    is found to be statistically insignificant when test results from the Caribbean are included in the
    analysis. As far as IQ and the wealth of nations are concerned, causality thus appears to run mostly
    from the former to the latter. The test-takers' region of ancestry dominates the regression results.
    While differences in average scores worldwide can thus be plausibly viewed as being influenced
    by genetic differences across world regions, it is also possible that score differences are influenced
    by regional differences in culture that are independent of genetic factors. Differences in average IQ
    across world regions may change in the years ahead insofar as the strength of Flynn effects may
    not be uniform, but some regional differences in average g levels seem likely to continue
    indefinitely.

    , @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/gmrevans/status/970932247074426880
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  46. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    This Gavin Evans is really a worshiper of blacks. He’s a cuck.

    He has problems with race theory on intelligence because it shows blacks to be less intelligent. If it showed blacks to be smarter, he would be totally for it…. like all those idiots rejoicing over the dubious claim that cheese man was ‘black’.

    These Guardians of the Fallacy say race isn’t real.. but then they say mixed-race people are smarter, more beautiful, and healthier. Races aren’t real but when they mix, they product the superior mixed race…. which is why Latin America, Central Asia, and North Africa are filled with all these ubermensch.

    Biology explains so much. Gavin Evans must know because he’s written so much on sports. He knows blacks are better at it. But I think that explains it. He’s to sports what CucKen Burns is to music. Burns is so awed by Jazz that he worships blacks and wants them to be good or better at everything.
    Cuckavin Evans came to admire black athletes so much that he wants to believe blacks are good at EVERYTHING. The issue of IQ sticks in his craw because it shows blacks to lag behind. How can that be? If blacks are so great in sports, they must be good in everything else!

    In truth, all races are successes and failures depending on the endeavor. In academics, blacks are clearly losers. But in sports, they are clearly winners over Hindus, Arabs, Chinese, Mexicans, and even big Germanic and Slavic whites.

    Some people excuse black lag in academics to history of slavery and Jim Crow, but if that’s true, then blacks should have sucked at sports too. After all, there were lots of anti-black discrimination in sports, and whites did NOT encourage blacks to do well in boxing, football, and etc. If anything, most whites jeered at Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey and many white boxers ducked black fighters. And as blacks were banned in baseball, they had their own league for awhile.
    So, given all these odds, why did blacks do so well, indeed even in the past when various discriminatory policies were in force? Same reason Jews did so well in academics despite quotas and other subtle and not-so-subtle discriminatory policies against them. Biology made blacks faster, and biology made Jews smarter.

    Anyway, Gavin Evans is a cuck who worships blacks. His mind follows his gushing heart. As he worships blacks as the uber-mensch of sports and manhood, he wants to believe blacks are the best at everything.

    Ideology is downstream from ‘Iconology’.

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    " In academics, blacks are clearly losers. But in sports, they are clearly winners over Hindus, Arabs, Chinese, Mexicans, and even big Germanic and Slavic whites. "

    Not in soccer, or wrestling, or hockey, or baseball, or swimming, or most track & field events. It's only if you use the narrow, American, definition of sports as basketball, gridiron football, and sprinting events. Marathon running is another one, though those are obviously very different kind of blacks from the highlands of East Africa.

    West Africans, curiously, don't even dominate high-jumping, which you'd think they'd be far superior at, given their muscle composition and long Achilles' tendons.
    Speaking of activities requiring high vertical jumping, the greatest dunker in the world for quite some time has been a 6-1 white Canadian, who reportedly has a 48" standing vertical. However, his first name IS Jordan, so maybe being named after, and having the greatest player of all time as a role model caused him to magically develop this ability. We all know how important role models arefor blacks and women, they can't achieve without them.
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  47. @Lot
    Denying than whites and NE Asians, and then even more so Ashkenazi have evolved higher intelligence has become a lot like denying evolution entirely. Everything we know about biology fits within the intellectual framework provided by Darwin, Huxley and Mendel. It must be exhausting to be an IQ egalitarian.

    You have to deny the validity or find bias with every single type of intelligence test.

    You have to deny the validity of every type of real world intelligence test, like income and education.

    You have to deny your own lying eyes.

    You have to deny that evolutionary selection for intelligence was any different in the literate, urbane, and inventive cultures of classical antiquity versus the naked fireless cavemen world of pre-contact Australia.

    You have to maintain higher intelligence was equally important to reproductive success to middle ages German Jews as middle ages Russian serfs.

    You have to maintain the people who built Notre Dame and the Paris Metro are no more intelligent than those who can't build anything bigger than a straw hut.

    You have to deny the extreme and long term inbreeding by Arabs and Pakistani has had any negative consequences on their national IQs.

    Finally, you have to live with the humiliation of knowing you are a liar who defames better men such as Pinker and Cochran for telling the truth. And with no more secular reward than a byline in the Guardian.

    You have to maintain the people who built Notre Dame and the Paris Metro are no more intelligent than those who can’t build anything bigger than a straw hut.

    I am reminded by this that while the public reputation of Richard Dawkins is based on his vociferous atheism, his repute as a biologist is due to his concept of the “extended phenotype.” He notes that the observable traits of an organism are not purely self-contained, but extend outside it.

    As an illustration, there are many species of potter wasps. All lay their eggs in small mud nests, each of which contains a grub or spider, paralysed by a sting, upon which the wasp’s larva feeds after hatching. Despite this shared characteristic, each species of wasp build its nests in a distinct way. One may identify the species of the wasp that built a given nest by the characteristics of the nest. The peculiarity of the nest type is an example of the extended phenotype of the species.

    Inferring the artificer by his artifact reminds me first, oddly enough, of the Corpus Hermeticum -

    “And no one saith a statue or a picture comes to be without a sculptor or [without] a painter; doth [then] such workmanship as this exist without a Worker?” (C.H. v, 8)

    The context of this is a pagan version of the argument by design, which would probably not amuse Prof. Dawkins!

    Coming down to earth, though, do not the works of different races and ethnicities reflect their respective extended phenotypes?

    Thus, the extended phenotype of Europeans is seen in the artifacts of their culture, e.g., Notre Dame and the Paris Metro; and the extended phenotype of Africans, in the artifacts of theirs, e.g., the straw hut. The African extended phenotype, indeed, explains all the shared social phenomena that we observe in Detroit, Port-au-Prince, and Kinshasa.

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    That is good. I'm stealing this "extended phenotype" idea.
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  48. O/T
    Meanwhile, the US problem of Bad Schools has been discovered in Germany.

    From DW:

    German school system is failing refugees – report

    Young refugees often land in disadvantaged schools that lack qualified teachers in deprived areas. A new study claims that for integration to succeed, educators will have to rethink their approach

    The conclusion of the article may be interesting to Americans, while the US media is continually blaring the claim that you guys are uniquely a nation of immigrants:

    The report concludes that teachers themselves will need to be better trained to deal with diversity in their schools. That will require more money and more teaching personnel for schools in disadvantaged neighborhoods.
    . . .
    “It starts with understanding that diversity needs to be the point of departure for the organization of the school day,” said Morris-Lange, emphasizing that change is impossible if principals and teachers do not act as a team.

    “Nonetheless, it will take a long time to prepare our schools for the challenges of adequately serving the immigrant society that we have become.”

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    The problem is not understanding that Vibrantium is quite a bit different than Vibranium. Too much of the former negates the positive effects of the latter.
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  49. Its defenders claim to be standing up for uncomfortable truths, but race science is still as bogus as ever.

    “We have the winning arguments. And we’ve done the time hiding under our beds to prove it!”

    Leftists print and broadcast their screeds to an audience who can’t answer back (leftists cherry-pick any responses they allow). They won’t debate us because they know they’ll lose. Even if they win, they lose; hatefacts flying everywhere.

    Through a surprising mix of fringe and mainstream media sources, these ideas are reaching a new audience, which regards them as proof of the superiority of certain races.

    This is mostly leftist mind-reading via projection: “I think ‘higher IQ = superior,’ ergo, when race-realists say ‘higher IQ,” they mean superior.” Leftists are obsessed with this stuff, but the idea that whites are superior to other races almost never comes up, except in the way that a man finds his family’s claims on him superior to those of strangers.

    The claim that there is a link between race and intelligence is the main tenet of what is known as “race science” or, in many cases, “scientific racism”. …

    The expectation that there is a link between race and intelligence is pretty much inherent to the theory of evolution. Race = DNA = intelligence, or potential for same. One would need a pretty good explanation for why racial variation would stop inside the skull. Sure, it’s possible, but given leftists’ swivel-eyed addiction to the idea that it’s a physical law because politically correct, I think thoughtful people have reason to demand a bit more from leftists than a possibility. Saying race-realism “isn’t proven” doesn’t change what common sense and Darwin’s theories predict.

    We certainly see different behaviors and outcomes among races and population groups – some of them remarkably consistent and persistent.

    Has anyone here bothered reading the whole thing? It just seems like pure virtue-signalling point-and-sputter.

    Argue race with enough leftists and a pretty clear picture emerges; they can’t win. You wind up yawning and scratching your junk while backhanding them over tables as they swarm you; it just isn’t interesting after a while.

    Reading their crap and digging up their email addresses so you can set them straight only to have them never reply, even less so.

    Red-pill the normies. Let the leftie apparatchiks eat their own faces.

    They don’t have to worry about us, or any of the science. They can simply ignore us, and it. After all, they control the Narratives. What they do have to worry about is the slightest hint of apostasy on the part of their own forces. This is why internecine combat is often the most vicious when a real revolution gets underway.

    They do have to worry. Race-realism is a growth industry. It’s kinda taken on a life of its own at this point. It’s going to keep growing, exerting more and more pressure on the left. Taking more and more mind space from them. And as the branches grow, so too do the roots, forming a persistent subculture that’s impossible to extirpate. The door pretty much only swings one way; institutions turn out race-idiots, but they’re easily converted, while race-realists almost never go back through the door to race-idiocy. Meanwhile, Whites’ continued demographic decline (euphemism for slow, quiet genocide) will continue to drive them to the right, weaponize their thinking.

    Denying than whites and NE Asians, and then even more so Ashkenazi have evolved higher intelligence has become a lot like denying evolution entirely. Everything we know about biology fits within the intellectual framework provided by Darwin, Huxley and Mendel. It must be exhausting to be an IQ egalitarian.

    Most of them don’t spend any time examining anything. They’re commies at heart. They’re good at carrying out their orders and not questioning. They start with the conclusions they want, and work backward from there.

    You have to deny the extreme and long term inbreeding by Arabs and Pakistani has had any negative consequences on their national IQs.

    Are they that much more inbred than Ashkenazi Jews?

    Google alone spent 265 millions in 3 years

    That’s 83 million a year for diversity lawsuit insurance (of course, now they have un-diverse lawsuits looming), leftist lawsuit insurance. What’s g**gle’s annual revenue?

    Soros is basically a Bond villain, a man with no ability to question his motives or perform an honest self-review.

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  50. @Old White Guy
    An obscure journalism prof with no academic credentials in the sciences accuses a world-renowned Harvard prof with over 70,000 citations of being a promoter of bogus science. And in that highly respected academic journal, The Guardian, no less.
    As Professor Pinker's grandpa might say admiringly, "Now that's chutzpah!"

    Yes, when I want to catch up on the latest in scientific thought, I always pay attention to what the journalism professors are thinking on the subject.

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  51. I have a hunch that it is the Guardian’s policy to disable comments on opinion pieces that are particularly risible.

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  52. If Askenazis are so smart why haven’t they been able to create a functioning civilized society of their own but instead must always leech off of their inferiors, white Christians and their societies? Do they lack the ability, or the capability to do so, or is it the intelligence??

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    Which is more intelligent - the parasitic population, or the host population?
    , @Franklin Ryckaert
    There are intelligent creators and there are intelligent parasites. Said group belongs to the latter category.
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  53. @Buzz Mohawk
    Yes, but it's just more of the same. This time it's a journalist rehashing what the priesthood of social science holds as absolute truth.

    Maybe IQ differences can be explained by dark matter, and races only appear to exist because they are all receding away from each other. It simply must be true. Can't be any other explanation because it's all been decided.

    why not say social studies, why pander to them

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  54. @MEH 0910
    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/02/the-unwelcome-revival-of-race-science

    Race, like intelligence, is a notoriously slippery concept. Individuals often share more genes with members of other races than with members of their own race. Indeed, many academics have argued that race is a social construct – which is not to deny that there are groups of people (“population groups”, in the scientific nomenclature) that share a high amount of genetic inheritance.
     

    Gavin Evans writing in The Guardian back in 2003:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/nov/14/race.highereducation

    But the most significant fallacy within this kind of pseudo-science goes to the heart of our current knowledge about human evolution. It is now beyond serious dispute that we all emerged from Africa, and that in scientific terms the concept of race is of little significance. The Harvard geneticist Dr Richard Lewontin, for example, stresses that individuals rather than races are the repositories of genetic variability, and that racial classifications are products of society rather than biology. For instance, relatively settled African populations in central Africa have far greater genetic diversity than anywhere else on the planet. We may choose to identify them by their common skin colour and hair type, but in genetic terms these individuals may have more in common with, say, white Anglo Saxons.

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    For instance, relatively settled African populations in central Africa have far greater genetic diversity than anywhere else on the planet. We may choose to identify them by their common skin colour and hair type, but in genetic terms these individuals may have more in common with, say, white Anglo Saxons.
     
    Finally a good explanation on why Israel finds "lost tribes" in the most unlikely boondocks.
    , @DFH

    We may choose to identify them by their common skin colour and hair type, but in genetic terms these individuals may have more in common with, say, white Anglo Saxons.
     
    Still astonishing that this insanity could get published.
    , @Franklin Ryckaert
    That is called the "Lewontin-fallacy", which has been debunked already. Look that up.
    , @MEH 0910
    https://d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net/n_iv/600/819745.jpg
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  55. @syonredux
    Massively off-topic,

    I'm sure that many of you have noticed how SJWs love to present their causes in terms of fantasy and SF narratives: Dumbledore's Army, Rebels vs Empire, Wakanda Forever!, etc. Here's an interesting discussion about this tendency:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6RKnmJQ7HM

    Thank you very much.

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  56. http://tonykaron.com/2009/03/07/evans-confessions-of-a-teenage-marxist/

    Confessions of a Teenage Marxist
    By Gavin Evans

    I was away on South African ‘struggle’ business when I heard Hungary had opened its doors to Austria – the first metaphorical crack in the Berlin Wall in 1989. In fact, I was a guest in the Lusaka home of a bigwig in the South African Communist Party, an organisation that for all its virtues had earned the epithet ‘slavish’ when it came to relations with countries in the Soviet orbit. My first reaction that morning in the Zambian capital, was a silent ‘oh well’. By then, I was beyond caring, which was awkward because I was a Party member with all sorts of jobs in its underground structures. My solution was to approach Party secretary general Joe Slovo (who’d recently returned from a visit to the GDR, where he was given a lovely bottle of something delicious by Erich Honecker) to request a demotion. Joe said no and I could have just walked, but instead wriggled and squirmed until a year later, when the Party was unbanned, I was permitted to withdraw, allowing a 12-year relation with the left to fizzle out.

    This relationship had started in 1978 when as a fired-up teenage idealist, I was invited to an anti-apartheid protest at the University of Texas in Austin. I stayed with a flame-bearded, MG-driving Marxist lecturer called Dr Ed Steinhart, who cheerfully instructed me in the ‘science’ of historical materialism, comparing Marx’s revelations to Newton’s – objective, certain, provable. (Years later, it dawned on me that not only did Marxism lack any resemblance to science, but neither did economics, or psychology, or any of the social ‘sciences’ but I digress…) Anyway, at the time I lapped up the certainty and universality of the Marxism he was evangelizing, using it to fill the void left by my abandonment of evangelical Christianity less than a year earlier. I devoured A Communist Manifesto, and strenuously worked my way through Volume 1 of Capital, returning to Cape Town a fervent convert.
    ……
    One last question: for people like me who were so intensely involved in trying to change the world prior to the fall of the Wall, is there anything left of that energy? I can only answer that at a personal level. The issue that still gets me excited is the debate on the cusp between biology and the humanities around human nature – in particular, the backlash against feminism from the misogynistic snake oil salesmen who call themselves ‘evolutionary psychologists’. This stuff gets me angry and exercised. But for the rest, well, the fact that I have not lived in South Africa for 16 years (and that in that time have managed to attend a grand total of two political meetings – leaving both early- and one march against the Iraq war), obviously points to an absence of activist impulse.

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    "to fill the void left by my abandonment of evangelical Christianity less than a year earlier"

    As Emile Cammaerts wrote, summing a Chesterton story, "The first effect of not believing in God is to believe in anything".

    https://www.chesterton.org/ceases-to-worship/

    (Incidentally, from the Amazon link, he does seem to have that trendy-vicar Tony Blair vibe about him)

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    From his comments to the blogpost

    "His argument that Ashkenazi Jews are innately more intelligent than anyone else is no different in principle from those of his calling who argue that Ethiopians or Bushmen or blacks more generally are innately more stupid than anyone else. "

    He has certainly put his finger on the problem - "if Group A is more intelligent on average, then maybe Group E is less intelligent on average - and that's what racists say, so it can't be true!"

    Here, also in the comments to the article, is his credo. He seems to have read (shock horror) Rose, Kamin and Lewontin, though none of their critics, and to have swallowed it whole as he did Das Kapital twenty years before.


    "I have five fundamental objections to the premises, and therefore the conclusions, of evolutionary psychology:

    First, it is based on a deeply flawed understanding of evolutionary biology. It assumes that every aspect of human behaviour is a direct consequence of natural selection. Instead, I would share the view held by Craig Venter (of the human genome decoding), and biologists like Steven Rose, Richard Lewontin and many others, that the nature of human intelligence allows for a huge amount of flexibility in human behaviour. Even some animals (great apes, dolphins) have culture in the sense that different pods of groups learn different behaviour, but with human beings, ultimately because of the size of our brains, the abillity to imagine, to create, to emphathise, and so on, means this variation is far greater. Steven Jay Gould referred to evolutionary ‘spandrels’ in this respect – unintended consequences if you like. One example he cited was reading and writing which emerged about 10 000 years ago, long after our brains had reached their current intellectual capacity in the physical sense. I would suggest that a great deal of what the evolutionary psychologists regard as specifically evolved behaviour falls in this category. This is not to reject the idea of human nature, but rather to have a far more flexible idea of what this nature really is. As Tolstoy put we can all be kind, cruel, wise, sympathetic, apathetic…. and so on. The more I read about anthropology, the more I am struck not by how similar we all are below the surface, but at how different we are when raised in different cultural conditions.

    Second, it is based on flawed logic. The typical evolutionary psychology approach to ‘research’ goes something like this: find some aspect of human behaviour you think is biologically innate (say, men choosing younger women as their wives); do some research among a small group of students which shows a majority think or act this way (thereby supposedly proving it is innate); suck out of the thumb some supposed evolutionary reason why this behaviour might have evolved through natural selection (always going back to the pleistocene age, about which we have no information about actual human behaviour) and then put it all together in a paper released to the press, who, invariably will lap it up without question. This is no exaggeration. I have looked at the research of Pinker, Buss and various others, and this is precisely what it amounts to. In every case, without any effort, I could think of several possible independent variables unrelated to evolution which could have prompted the same research conclusions, thereby invalidating their conclusions.

    Third, it is based on a discredited notion of IQ. A great deal of their conclusions (whether Pinker on Ashkenazi intelligence, or Pinker on why men are supposedly better at maths than women) are premised on the view that IQ measures innate general intelligence. Anyone who has read Flynn’s writing (on what is now known as the Flynn effect) will know that this is simply nonsense. What IQ measures is the ability to perform IQ tests, which might also be a useful indicator of ability to perform certain other kinds of academic work. What it palpably does not, and cannot, measure is innate general intelligence (if such a thing can be said to exist). As Flynn and others have shown the average IQ a century ago, if measured by today’s standards, would be something like 60. IQ tests have to have an average of 100, which is why they get progressively more difficult. The reason why average IQ has increased obviously has nothing to do with an increase in innate intelligence over the past century (it is unlikely that innate intelligence has increased over the past 70 000 years, and perhaps far longer). Flynn explains the increase in terms of exposure not just to books and exposure to testing more generally, but in terms of exposure from a very young age to abstract logic. So the fact that some groups might have higher average IQs than others says absolutely nothing about their innate intelligence.

    Fourth, evolutionary psychology appears to operate in blissful ignorance of many of the advances in biology. I have already mentioned the human genome project (which found less than one third of the number of genes anticipated, leaving Venter and others to conclude that a great deal of what they assumed was genetic, is, in fact, culurual). Also significant are the recent discoveries relatiing to epi-genetic inheritance. This, for example, renders suspect all of the conclusions drawn from studies of separated identical twins (because it is possible that similarities in behaviour could be epigentic rather than genetic).

    Fifth, many of the pet conclusions of evolotionary psychology are being devestated by larger scale metal analysis of behavioural studies. For example, the view that women are more verbal than men is simply wrong (we use approximately the same number of words per day), as is the view that women ‘multi-task’ better than men. And academic results at elite level of girls in the sciences and mathematics (in Britain, for example, in every one of the scientific subject they outstrip boys) renders suspect Pinker’s conclusions about innate differences in this respect. Of the more controversial EP concusions – that men are programmed to rape, men are programmed to seek out younger women, men are programmed to reject their stepchildren, and so on, the huge cultural variations relating to the position of women in society, illustrate just how facile their methods are. For example, the greater the level of equality between males and females, the less the age difference between partners.

    I could go on and on, but basically I would say I place evolutionary psychology on the same plain as, say, Jungian psychology or homeopathy: pure nonsense posing as science."
     

    , @fish
    Straight from “Central Casting”.......


    No need to pay attention to him about politics and economics.....what makes anyone think he’s any sharper on biology!
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  57. if it is true that Jews are naturally more intelligent, then it’s only logical to say that others are naturally less so

    We should unperson Aristotle for having invented forced noticing.

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  58. @anonymous
    If Askenazis are so smart why haven't they been able to create a functioning civilized society of their own but instead must always leech off of their inferiors, white Christians and their societies? Do they lack the ability, or the capability to do so, or is it the intelligence??

    Which is more intelligent – the parasitic population, or the host population?

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    The Jews themselves know of their inferiority to white Christian society and are jealous of their inability to create anything comparable. They know too that without Christ they will always be inferior and white Christians will always be supreme. You see this in their constant references to white supremacists. They have to tell us how smart they are and how wonderful they are to psychologically compensate for their sense of inferiority. Like this Pinker clown is doing.
    , @Gordo
    Separate them and find out.
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  59. @MEH 0910
    Gavin Evans writing in The Guardian back in 2003:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/nov/14/race.highereducation


    But the most significant fallacy within this kind of pseudo-science goes to the heart of our current knowledge about human evolution. It is now beyond serious dispute that we all emerged from Africa, and that in scientific terms the concept of race is of little significance. The Harvard geneticist Dr Richard Lewontin, for example, stresses that individuals rather than races are the repositories of genetic variability, and that racial classifications are products of society rather than biology. For instance, relatively settled African populations in central Africa have far greater genetic diversity than anywhere else on the planet. We may choose to identify them by their common skin colour and hair type, but in genetic terms these individuals may have more in common with, say, white Anglo Saxons.
     

    For instance, relatively settled African populations in central Africa have far greater genetic diversity than anywhere else on the planet. We may choose to identify them by their common skin colour and hair type, but in genetic terms these individuals may have more in common with, say, white Anglo Saxons.

    Finally a good explanation on why Israel finds “lost tribes” in the most unlikely boondocks.

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  60. @anon
    You have to deny your own lying eyes.

    That's what I've always found so funny about it. We're not talking about some kind of subatomic particles that you need an electron microscope to even see.

    Generally speaking, if you talk to a person who has spoken to 100 white people, 100 black people, and 100 East Asian people, their observations will match up to the supposedly "thoroughly discredited" findings. They just have to come up with more and more epicycles to explain it.

    At one point, I probably would have explained it by saying he's English, so he just hasn't met that many black people. That's how it was for me, after all. I grew up in an all-white town, so I believed the Narrative. This was before the web, so the only ones you really ever heard from were the Talented Tenth. It wasn't until I went off to college that I started to see for himself.

    Of course, now, there are a lot more blacks in England, so it has to be deliberate denial.

    He teaches in England but grew up and went to college in South Africa.

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  61. @syonredux
    Massively off-topic,

    I'm sure that many of you have noticed how SJWs love to present their causes in terms of fantasy and SF narratives: Dumbledore's Army, Rebels vs Empire, Wakanda Forever!, etc. Here's an interesting discussion about this tendency:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6RKnmJQ7HM

    Wow. Thanks. Aydin Paladin is now bookmarked.

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  62. “high IQ scores among Ashkenazi Jews indicated that they evolved to be smarter than anyone else “. One theory is that Ashkenazi Jews are Asian or Turkic aka Khazars not European. If so, Ashkenazi Jews did not evolve recently, they were always Asian and a tad smarter than Europeans from prehistory. The Khazars were Asian Jewish converts, so they were smart before they were Jewish. No ‘evolution’ needed.

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  63. @theo the kraut
    > And with no more secular reward than a byline in the Guardian.

    IMO it's a billion $ business. Google alone spent 265 millions in 3 years to fight for diversity, while Soros recently donated 18 billions to his many noble endeavours to the exact same end: the right of progressives and their newfound donor class to import themselves voters, welfare pets,* and cheap labour, to export jobs and to fight their victims as racists, bigots, nationalists, transphobics, misogynists, fat-shamers and what-so-effing-ever they come up with 24/7.

    * To be petted at taxpayer's expense

    That's one Western company and one billionaire out of thousands that do the same--Ford Foundation, Getty Foundation, forward.us etc pp. Corporate busybodies happy to shelve out billions, literally, each year to shit-studied shysters to advance progressive causes.

    dailywire.com/news/19515/epic-fail-google-spent-265-million-diversity-it-paul-bois (archive.is/sNLrP)

    A list of the billions in corporate interests involved in pushing transgender issues:
    thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology (archive.is/kOUrQ)

    money.cnn.com/2017/10/17/news/george-soros-18-billion-open-society-foundations (archive.is/Jib0x)

    Absolutely. You have to look at articles like this as a sort of CV attachment or part of a very extended job application form. There are plenty of places at the top for goodthinkers.

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  64. @MEH 0910
    Gavin Evans writing in The Guardian back in 2003:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/nov/14/race.highereducation


    But the most significant fallacy within this kind of pseudo-science goes to the heart of our current knowledge about human evolution. It is now beyond serious dispute that we all emerged from Africa, and that in scientific terms the concept of race is of little significance. The Harvard geneticist Dr Richard Lewontin, for example, stresses that individuals rather than races are the repositories of genetic variability, and that racial classifications are products of society rather than biology. For instance, relatively settled African populations in central Africa have far greater genetic diversity than anywhere else on the planet. We may choose to identify them by their common skin colour and hair type, but in genetic terms these individuals may have more in common with, say, white Anglo Saxons.
     

    We may choose to identify them by their common skin colour and hair type, but in genetic terms these individuals may have more in common with, say, white Anglo Saxons.

    Still astonishing that this insanity could get published.

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  65. @Buzz Mohawk

    I personally feel ashamed trying to squeeze every penny out of every situation, but some folks have no compunction about it at all.
     
    This rings true. Stereotypes have some basis in reality, as we know.

    I have business stories of my own, looking from the outside in at people like Pinker and his grandfather. One example: A multimillionaire who owned five choice properties and a business would come into my office to argue over two dollars. He did this on more than one occasion, taking a special trip and at least part of an hour to do it. Without going into detail, there was no error, nothing wrong about the two dollars, but he simply would argue against it. And boy could he argue.

    Every last scrap, no matter what. I know the type very well. Perhaps they are "intelligent," but are they smart? Are they wise?

    Interesting story, thanks.

    “Life-forms” (Middle Ages historian Arno Borst) need not be wise or smart – they have to work.

    Many character traits, customs etc. therefore are not only a feature, but a bug as well. – That’s why we all need to be critizised – and that’s why Steve Sailer in his review of Pniker’s Enlightenment Now! is damm well right, when he draws the consequence from the major inequalities, that the Forbes-400 list indicates: That being rich should by no means mean, to kinda own the megaphone – and bequiet the rest (= almost all of us).

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  66. @JohnnyD
    Hey now, Neil Degrasse Tyson is going to be Wakanda's first Nobel Prize winner!

    Too late….Obama beat him.

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  67. @MEH 0910
    http://tonykaron.com/2009/03/07/evans-confessions-of-a-teenage-marxist/

    Confessions of a Teenage Marxist
    By Gavin Evans


    I was away on South African ‘struggle’ business when I heard Hungary had opened its doors to Austria – the first metaphorical crack in the Berlin Wall in 1989. In fact, I was a guest in the Lusaka home of a bigwig in the South African Communist Party, an organisation that for all its virtues had earned the epithet ‘slavish’ when it came to relations with countries in the Soviet orbit. My first reaction that morning in the Zambian capital, was a silent ‘oh well’. By then, I was beyond caring, which was awkward because I was a Party member with all sorts of jobs in its underground structures. My solution was to approach Party secretary general Joe Slovo (who’d recently returned from a visit to the GDR, where he was given a lovely bottle of something delicious by Erich Honecker) to request a demotion. Joe said no and I could have just walked, but instead wriggled and squirmed until a year later, when the Party was unbanned, I was permitted to withdraw, allowing a 12-year relation with the left to fizzle out.

    This relationship had started in 1978 when as a fired-up teenage idealist, I was invited to an anti-apartheid protest at the University of Texas in Austin. I stayed with a flame-bearded, MG-driving Marxist lecturer called Dr Ed Steinhart, who cheerfully instructed me in the ‘science’ of historical materialism, comparing Marx’s revelations to Newton’s – objective, certain, provable. (Years later, it dawned on me that not only did Marxism lack any resemblance to science, but neither did economics, or psychology, or any of the social ‘sciences’ but I digress…) Anyway, at the time I lapped up the certainty and universality of the Marxism he was evangelizing, using it to fill the void left by my abandonment of evangelical Christianity less than a year earlier. I devoured A Communist Manifesto, and strenuously worked my way through Volume 1 of Capital, returning to Cape Town a fervent convert.
    ......
    One last question: for people like me who were so intensely involved in trying to change the world prior to the fall of the Wall, is there anything left of that energy? I can only answer that at a personal level. The issue that still gets me excited is the debate on the cusp between biology and the humanities around human nature – in particular, the backlash against feminism from the misogynistic snake oil salesmen who call themselves ‘evolutionary psychologists’. This stuff gets me angry and exercised. But for the rest, well, the fact that I have not lived in South Africa for 16 years (and that in that time have managed to attend a grand total of two political meetings – leaving both early- and one march against the Iraq war), obviously points to an absence of activist impulse.
     

    “to fill the void left by my abandonment of evangelical Christianity less than a year earlier”

    As Emile Cammaerts wrote, summing a Chesterton story, “The first effect of not believing in God is to believe in anything“.

    https://www.chesterton.org/ceases-to-worship/

    (Incidentally, from the Amazon link, he does seem to have that trendy-vicar Tony Blair vibe about him)

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  68. @MEH 0910
    http://tonykaron.com/2009/03/07/evans-confessions-of-a-teenage-marxist/

    Confessions of a Teenage Marxist
    By Gavin Evans


    I was away on South African ‘struggle’ business when I heard Hungary had opened its doors to Austria – the first metaphorical crack in the Berlin Wall in 1989. In fact, I was a guest in the Lusaka home of a bigwig in the South African Communist Party, an organisation that for all its virtues had earned the epithet ‘slavish’ when it came to relations with countries in the Soviet orbit. My first reaction that morning in the Zambian capital, was a silent ‘oh well’. By then, I was beyond caring, which was awkward because I was a Party member with all sorts of jobs in its underground structures. My solution was to approach Party secretary general Joe Slovo (who’d recently returned from a visit to the GDR, where he was given a lovely bottle of something delicious by Erich Honecker) to request a demotion. Joe said no and I could have just walked, but instead wriggled and squirmed until a year later, when the Party was unbanned, I was permitted to withdraw, allowing a 12-year relation with the left to fizzle out.

    This relationship had started in 1978 when as a fired-up teenage idealist, I was invited to an anti-apartheid protest at the University of Texas in Austin. I stayed with a flame-bearded, MG-driving Marxist lecturer called Dr Ed Steinhart, who cheerfully instructed me in the ‘science’ of historical materialism, comparing Marx’s revelations to Newton’s – objective, certain, provable. (Years later, it dawned on me that not only did Marxism lack any resemblance to science, but neither did economics, or psychology, or any of the social ‘sciences’ but I digress…) Anyway, at the time I lapped up the certainty and universality of the Marxism he was evangelizing, using it to fill the void left by my abandonment of evangelical Christianity less than a year earlier. I devoured A Communist Manifesto, and strenuously worked my way through Volume 1 of Capital, returning to Cape Town a fervent convert.
    ......
    One last question: for people like me who were so intensely involved in trying to change the world prior to the fall of the Wall, is there anything left of that energy? I can only answer that at a personal level. The issue that still gets me excited is the debate on the cusp between biology and the humanities around human nature – in particular, the backlash against feminism from the misogynistic snake oil salesmen who call themselves ‘evolutionary psychologists’. This stuff gets me angry and exercised. But for the rest, well, the fact that I have not lived in South Africa for 16 years (and that in that time have managed to attend a grand total of two political meetings – leaving both early- and one march against the Iraq war), obviously points to an absence of activist impulse.
     

    From his comments to the blogpost

    “His argument that Ashkenazi Jews are innately more intelligent than anyone else is no different in principle from those of his calling who argue that Ethiopians or Bushmen or blacks more generally are innately more stupid than anyone else. “

    He has certainly put his finger on the problem - “if Group A is more intelligent on average, then maybe Group E is less intelligent on average – and that’s what racists say, so it can’t be true!”

    Here, also in the comments to the article, is his credo. He seems to have read (shock horror) Rose, Kamin and Lewontin, though none of their critics, and to have swallowed it whole as he did Das Kapital twenty years before.

    “I have five fundamental objections to the premises, and therefore the conclusions, of evolutionary psychology:

    First, it is based on a deeply flawed understanding of evolutionary biology. It assumes that every aspect of human behaviour is a direct consequence of natural selection. Instead, I would share the view held by Craig Venter (of the human genome decoding), and biologists like Steven Rose, Richard Lewontin and many others, that the nature of human intelligence allows for a huge amount of flexibility in human behaviour. Even some animals (great apes, dolphins) have culture in the sense that different pods of groups learn different behaviour, but with human beings, ultimately because of the size of our brains, the abillity to imagine, to create, to emphathise, and so on, means this variation is far greater. Steven Jay Gould referred to evolutionary ‘spandrels’ in this respect – unintended consequences if you like. One example he cited was reading and writing which emerged about 10 000 years ago, long after our brains had reached their current intellectual capacity in the physical sense. I would suggest that a great deal of what the evolutionary psychologists regard as specifically evolved behaviour falls in this category. This is not to reject the idea of human nature, but rather to have a far more flexible idea of what this nature really is. As Tolstoy put we can all be kind, cruel, wise, sympathetic, apathetic…. and so on. The more I read about anthropology, the more I am struck not by how similar we all are below the surface, but at how different we are when raised in different cultural conditions.

    Second, it is based on flawed logic. The typical evolutionary psychology approach to ‘research’ goes something like this: find some aspect of human behaviour you think is biologically innate (say, men choosing younger women as their wives); do some research among a small group of students which shows a majority think or act this way (thereby supposedly proving it is innate); suck out of the thumb some supposed evolutionary reason why this behaviour might have evolved through natural selection (always going back to the pleistocene age, about which we have no information about actual human behaviour) and then put it all together in a paper released to the press, who, invariably will lap it up without question. This is no exaggeration. I have looked at the research of Pinker, Buss and various others, and this is precisely what it amounts to. In every case, without any effort, I could think of several possible independent variables unrelated to evolution which could have prompted the same research conclusions, thereby invalidating their conclusions.

    Third, it is based on a discredited notion of IQ. A great deal of their conclusions (whether Pinker on Ashkenazi intelligence, or Pinker on why men are supposedly better at maths than women) are premised on the view that IQ measures innate general intelligence. Anyone who has read Flynn’s writing (on what is now known as the Flynn effect) will know that this is simply nonsense. What IQ measures is the ability to perform IQ tests, which might also be a useful indicator of ability to perform certain other kinds of academic work. What it palpably does not, and cannot, measure is innate general intelligence (if such a thing can be said to exist). As Flynn and others have shown the average IQ a century ago, if measured by today’s standards, would be something like 60. IQ tests have to have an average of 100, which is why they get progressively more difficult. The reason why average IQ has increased obviously has nothing to do with an increase in innate intelligence over the past century (it is unlikely that innate intelligence has increased over the past 70 000 years, and perhaps far longer). Flynn explains the increase in terms of exposure not just to books and exposure to testing more generally, but in terms of exposure from a very young age to abstract logic. So the fact that some groups might have higher average IQs than others says absolutely nothing about their innate intelligence.

    Fourth, evolutionary psychology appears to operate in blissful ignorance of many of the advances in biology. I have already mentioned the human genome project (which found less than one third of the number of genes anticipated, leaving Venter and others to conclude that a great deal of what they assumed was genetic, is, in fact, culurual). Also significant are the recent discoveries relatiing to epi-genetic inheritance. This, for example, renders suspect all of the conclusions drawn from studies of separated identical twins (because it is possible that similarities in behaviour could be epigentic rather than genetic).

    Fifth, many of the pet conclusions of evolotionary psychology are being devestated by larger scale metal analysis of behavioural studies. For example, the view that women are more verbal than men is simply wrong (we use approximately the same number of words per day), as is the view that women ‘multi-task’ better than men. And academic results at elite level of girls in the sciences and mathematics (in Britain, for example, in every one of the scientific subject they outstrip boys) renders suspect Pinker’s conclusions about innate differences in this respect. Of the more controversial EP concusions – that men are programmed to rape, men are programmed to seek out younger women, men are programmed to reject their stepchildren, and so on, the huge cultural variations relating to the position of women in society, illustrate just how facile their methods are. For example, the greater the level of equality between males and females, the less the age difference between partners.

    I could go on and on, but basically I would say I place evolutionary psychology on the same plain as, say, Jungian psychology or homeopathy: pure nonsense posing as science.”

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    I could go on and on, ...
     
    Note this is an ancient trick used by Marxists to hint at lots of arguments that they supposedly could raise, but never do.
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  69. @syonredux

    “Gavin Evans lectures first year and post-graduate students in journalism at Birkbeck, and over the past decade has also lectured at Birkbeck in critical thinking, media law, online journalism and aspects of media theory. He also supervises MA dissertations at Cardiff University, where he lectures in research methodology, and he is a senior lecturer at the London School of Journalism.”
     
    It's amazing how journalists back in the 19th and early 20th centuries managed to get by without academic degrees in journalism......

    “It’s amazing how journalists back in the 19th and early 20th centuries managed to get by without academic degrees in journalism……”

    And, they were a lot better journalists.

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  70. This is one problem I have with the HBD crowd: it seems to be a back-door way of promoting the idea of a Jewish master-race. But chew on this a while:

    If modern Ashkenazic Jews are really soooo much smarter than us Aryans, and they are really the literal descendants of the the ancient Israelites, then why was ancient Israel such a dirty, scientifically/technologically backward shithole that was so easily conquered by Greece and Rome and Persia–and, in fact, virtually every other passing invader?

    Face it: modern Ashkenazic Jews are really just white like the rest of us. They are not, for the most part, ‘Semites’. They may well be said to constitute a separate ethnic group; but they are definitely not a separate race. I’m sure there are loads of people in Spain, Portugal and Sicily have a lot more Semitic blood than the Ashkenazic Jews.

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    Actually, Jews will deny your request that they be identified as White, though you are correct that Jews have benefited immensely from the acquisition of white genes. Remember too that Whites have created the best nations in the world, and that Pinker's Enlightenment and Modern Science was a White creation. Whites have been responsible for most of the creativity in the Arts, Humanities. 98% of the greatest explorers are White, 97% of the scientists, 98% of the philosophers... http://www.eurocanadian.ca/2018/01/greatest-philosophers-are-all-european-men.html
    , @Dieter Kief

    I’m sure there are loads of people in Spain, Portugal and Sicily have a lot more Semitic blood than the Ashkenazic Jews.
     
    Oh yes - and aren't those called Sephardim?
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    I'm no expert, but IIRC the Cochran/Harpending thesis is that the restrictions imposed on Jews in medieval Europe (chiefly no land ownership, but a lot of other things) forced Jews into a few occupations, mainly financial and middleman ones. In a pre-contraceptive era, who was likely to have most children live to adulthood, a poor Jew or a prosperous one?

    For example, acting as tax-gatherers and enforcing labour contribution from serfs (on behalf of the absent lord) wasn't exactly the way to a Polish peasant's heart, but it did mean that those with a head for figures and the toughness to enforce payment could prosper.

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/arenda-jewish-virtual-library

    , @anon
    Y-chromosome and other genetic studies disprove what you are saying. Modern Ashkenazim have a highly mixed ancestry including much ancient near-Eastern admixture. As for how they can be smarter than their ancient ancestors, it's called bottlenecks and novel selection pressure. I'd say look it up, but hey, how could one expect a non-Ashkenazi such as yourself to comprehend science?
    , @Orwellian state

    Face it: modern Ashkenazic Jews are really just white like the rest of us. They are not, for the most part, ‘Semites’. They may well be said to constitute a separate ethnic group; but they are definitely not a separate race. I’m sure there are loads of people in Spain, Portugal and Sicily have a lot more Semitic blood than the Ashkenazic Jews.
     
    I agree. Aside from their idealistic zeal (be it liberalism, socialism, communism or Zionism) and propensity for excess and decadence, i.e. excessive greed and lust, Ashkenazi Jews are virtually indistinguishable from other whites. Excess and decadence are usually a result of obscene wealth and unchecked power, which the Jews have achieved in spade just as the Romans once did. It's why I question whether their achievements are due to true intelligence or plain old clannishness. A few truly intelligent ones make it to the top and only lower the ladders to their own clan, majority of whom are just average.
    , @Melendwyr
    What do you mean, 'us Aryans'? You're making rather a large assumption about the people you're speaking to.

    Perhaps you should think carefully before rushing to make a fool of yourself.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    If modern Ashkenazic Jews are really soooo much smarter than us Aryans

     

    No, it's smarter than *whites* which is a big tent, including even the middle east. It would be interesting to see studies singling out Aryans, or Saxons etc.
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  71. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Good grief. Can we put to bed the half German kids born to American black soldiers. Sorry, but are you that dense.

    At the time (and currently) the military test applicants to make sure that they have an IQ above 85 - the black average. That's the bottom! So the worst blacks allowed into the military are average intelligence for the overall black population. Presumably, the average black allowed into the military would be far higher than the worst black, so let's say around 100 IQ. In addition, the blacks sent over to Germany might be a tad higher than the average black in the military, so let's say ~105 IQ.

    Wow, how shocking that kids of ~100 IQ German women and ~105 American black military men were fairly close to 100 IQ and thus far higher than your average African American in terms of intelligence.

    In addition, because the military requires discipline, organization and the ability to follow orders (all heritable traits), it's not surprising that those children were far superior in those traits than your average African American.

    So, no, it's not nuture, as you would hope to believe. It's nature - as it always is.

    Sure, would blacks do better without the Gangsta culture? Of course. But forcing a more European or Asian culture (Mr. Chieh) wouldn't only temper their natural instincts. In addition, they would revert to their natural instincts once their overlords stepped away.

    Blacks raise their kids the way that feels natural to them. Trying to stop that is a bit like holding a chair over your head. You can do it for awhile, but sooner or later, gravity wins.

    Kids of black GIs who served in Germany and knocked up German women formed the basis of the U.S. soccer National team, maybe still do. These kids, raised in the superior German soccer system, and possessing some of the athletic advantages of blacks, unfortunately weren’t quite good enough to play for Germany, which is how the U.S. soccer officials (most notably, ex-NT coach Juergen Klinsmann), got them to sign up.

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  72. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    This Gavin Evans is really a worshiper of blacks. He's a cuck.

    He has problems with race theory on intelligence because it shows blacks to be less intelligent. If it showed blacks to be smarter, he would be totally for it.... like all those idiots rejoicing over the dubious claim that cheese man was 'black'.

    These Guardians of the Fallacy say race isn't real.. but then they say mixed-race people are smarter, more beautiful, and healthier. Races aren't real but when they mix, they product the superior mixed race.... which is why Latin America, Central Asia, and North Africa are filled with all these ubermensch.

    Biology explains so much. Gavin Evans must know because he's written so much on sports. He knows blacks are better at it. But I think that explains it. He's to sports what CucKen Burns is to music. Burns is so awed by Jazz that he worships blacks and wants them to be good or better at everything.
    Cuckavin Evans came to admire black athletes so much that he wants to believe blacks are good at EVERYTHING. The issue of IQ sticks in his craw because it shows blacks to lag behind. How can that be? If blacks are so great in sports, they must be good in everything else!

    In truth, all races are successes and failures depending on the endeavor. In academics, blacks are clearly losers. But in sports, they are clearly winners over Hindus, Arabs, Chinese, Mexicans, and even big Germanic and Slavic whites.

    Some people excuse black lag in academics to history of slavery and Jim Crow, but if that's true, then blacks should have sucked at sports too. After all, there were lots of anti-black discrimination in sports, and whites did NOT encourage blacks to do well in boxing, football, and etc. If anything, most whites jeered at Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey and many white boxers ducked black fighters. And as blacks were banned in baseball, they had their own league for awhile.
    So, given all these odds, why did blacks do so well, indeed even in the past when various discriminatory policies were in force? Same reason Jews did so well in academics despite quotas and other subtle and not-so-subtle discriminatory policies against them. Biology made blacks faster, and biology made Jews smarter.

    Anyway, Gavin Evans is a cuck who worships blacks. His mind follows his gushing heart. As he worships blacks as the uber-mensch of sports and manhood, he wants to believe blacks are the best at everything.

    Ideology is downstream from 'Iconology'.

    ” In academics, blacks are clearly losers. But in sports, they are clearly winners over Hindus, Arabs, Chinese, Mexicans, and even big Germanic and Slavic whites. ”

    Not in soccer, or wrestling, or hockey, or baseball, or swimming, or most track & field events. It’s only if you use the narrow, American, definition of sports as basketball, gridiron football, and sprinting events. Marathon running is another one, though those are obviously very different kind of blacks from the highlands of East Africa.

    West Africans, curiously, don’t even dominate high-jumping, which you’d think they’d be far superior at, given their muscle composition and long Achilles’ tendons.
    Speaking of activities requiring high vertical jumping, the greatest dunker in the world for quite some time has been a 6-1 white Canadian, who reportedly has a 48″ standing vertical. However, his first name IS Jordan, so maybe being named after, and having the greatest player of all time as a role model caused him to magically develop this ability. We all know how important role models arefor blacks and women, they can’t achieve without them.

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    Not in soccer, or wrestling, or hockey, or baseball, or swimming, or most track & field events.

    Did you see the French soccer team? Also, considering blacks constitute a small number in many European nations, their representation in soccer teams is remarkable.

    Most blacks don't go into wrestling. Why go there when they can go into football and make millions and say "where the white women at?" How much do wrestlers make? But the Cuban Negro went into Greco-Roman wrestling and totally dominates.

    Hockey.. Come on! It's a white winter sport most blacks have no interest in.

    Blacks may have disadvantage in longer-distance swimming due to lower fat mass.

    Most track and field events are not iconic, popular, or profitable. I mean who cares about the hammer throw? Who cares about walking? In the most iconic and most watched track and field events like 100 to 400 m track and long distance running, blacks dominate.

    Blacks don't win medals in Trampoline. So, are we to assume they suck at jumping and bouncing?

    But when blacks do make inroads into white sports like tennis or gymnastics, they can blow away the competition.

    West Africans, curiously, don’t even dominate high-jumping, which you’d think they’d be far superior at, given their muscle composition and long Achilles’ tendons.
    Speaking of activities requiring high vertical jumping, the greatest dunker in the world for quite some time has been a 6-1 white Canadian


    Again, why would most blacks go into sports that offer little money? If you're a black who can jump, would you choose basketball and make in millions or high-jumping?

    I don't know about the Canadian dunker but he seems to be an exception that proves the rule.
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  73. @Crawfurdmuir

    You have to maintain the people who built Notre Dame and the Paris Metro are no more intelligent than those who can’t build anything bigger than a straw hut.
     
    I am reminded by this that while the public reputation of Richard Dawkins is based on his vociferous atheism, his repute as a biologist is due to his concept of the "extended phenotype." He notes that the observable traits of an organism are not purely self-contained, but extend outside it.

    As an illustration, there are many species of potter wasps. All lay their eggs in small mud nests, each of which contains a grub or spider, paralysed by a sting, upon which the wasp's larva feeds after hatching. Despite this shared characteristic, each species of wasp build its nests in a distinct way. One may identify the species of the wasp that built a given nest by the characteristics of the nest. The peculiarity of the nest type is an example of the extended phenotype of the species.

    Inferring the artificer by his artifact reminds me first, oddly enough, of the Corpus Hermeticum -

    "And no one saith a statue or a picture comes to be without a sculptor or [without] a painter; doth [then] such workmanship as this exist without a Worker?" (C.H. v, 8)

    The context of this is a pagan version of the argument by design, which would probably not amuse Prof. Dawkins!

    Coming down to earth, though, do not the works of different races and ethnicities reflect their respective extended phenotypes?

    Thus, the extended phenotype of Europeans is seen in the artifacts of their culture, e.g., Notre Dame and the Paris Metro; and the extended phenotype of Africans, in the artifacts of theirs, e.g., the straw hut. The African extended phenotype, indeed, explains all the shared social phenomena that we observe in Detroit, Port-au-Prince, and Kinshasa.

    That is good. I’m stealing this “extended phenotype” idea.

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  74. Kind of a big miss on the author’s part…

    Check out @StuartJRitchie’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/StuartJRitchie/status/969513237539688448?s=09

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  75. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I love the way he says that “the gap between African Americans and white Americans narrowed by 5.5 points between 1972 and 2002″ after seeming to spend so much time assuming that there is no gap. I guess he means there is no genetic gap, only an environmental gap.

    But that would still leave us with a population of blacks that is (environmentally) too dumb to be employed or college-admitted at rates proportional to their representation in the population. So get rid of disparate impact.

    And this: “Race science isn’t going away any time soon. Its claims can only be countered by the slow, deliberate work of science and education. And they need to be – not only because of their potentially horrible human consequences, but because they are factually wrong.”

    This after complaining about the Pioneer Fund. He needs to tell funders that yes, this stuff should be studied, fund it.

    On the other hand, since it is “factually wrong,” why does it need to be studied?

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  76. @Roderick Spode
    From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence:

    Ashkenazi Jews have won more than one quarter of the Westinghouse Science prizes, the Turing Awards, and Fields Medals.
    54 percent of the world's chess champions have Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry.
    Among National Medal of Science recipients, 37 percent have Ashkenazi Jewish backgrounds.
    29 percent of U.S. Nobel Prize winners are of Ashkenazi Jewish origin.
    38 percent of American Nobel laureates in physics are of Ashkenazi Jewish descent.
    42 percent of Nobel laureates in medicine or physiology are Ashkenazi Jews.
    28 percent of U.S. prize winners in chemistry are Ashkenazi Jewish Americans.
    Ashkenazi Jews comprise 33 percent of the student body and faculty at Ivy League and other elite universities in the United States.
    30 percent of the U.S. Supreme Court law clerks are Ashkenazi Jews.
     
    All of these facts are merely because Jews have a culture that promotes hard work and -- no, that would be implying that other cultures promote people to work less hard. I guess they're just lucky.

    Pinker is far less willing to attribute the Enlightenment to Whites, and Modern Science. Fact is Jews have done well inside White created nations, and creating nations requires a lot of talent, fortitude, honor. Jews were not very good at nation creating, empire making, glory. Whites, in many countries in Europe, have achieved highest levels of creativity in all areas of life than any other race, by far; see The Uniqueness of Western Civilization, by Duchesne.

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  77. @Seamus Padraig
    This is one problem I have with the HBD crowd: it seems to be a back-door way of promoting the idea of a Jewish master-race. But chew on this a while:

    If modern Ashkenazic Jews are really soooo much smarter than us Aryans, and they are really the literal descendants of the the ancient Israelites, then why was ancient Israel such a dirty, scientifically/technologically backward shithole that was so easily conquered by Greece and Rome and Persia--and, in fact, virtually every other passing invader?

    Face it: modern Ashkenazic Jews are really just white like the rest of us. They are not, for the most part, 'Semites'. They may well be said to constitute a separate ethnic group; but they are definitely not a separate race. I'm sure there are loads of people in Spain, Portugal and Sicily have a lot more Semitic blood than the Ashkenazic Jews.

    Actually, Jews will deny your request that they be identified as White, though you are correct that Jews have benefited immensely from the acquisition of white genes. Remember too that Whites have created the best nations in the world, and that Pinker’s Enlightenment and Modern Science was a White creation. Whites have been responsible for most of the creativity in the Arts, Humanities. 98% of the greatest explorers are White, 97% of the scientists, 98% of the philosophers… http://www.eurocanadian.ca/2018/01/greatest-philosophers-are-all-european-men.html

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  78. Here is a discussion on race and IQ by mr Evans

    https://africacheck.org/2015/03/12/analysis-black-brain-white-brain-the-new-wave-of-racist-science/

    As can be often seen in the discussion Mr Evans (whose mother is Jewish and originates in South Africa and has escaped to the UK) won’t listen where he doesnt want to hear

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    whose mother is Jewish
     
    Source?
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  79. @Seamus Padraig
    This is one problem I have with the HBD crowd: it seems to be a back-door way of promoting the idea of a Jewish master-race. But chew on this a while:

    If modern Ashkenazic Jews are really soooo much smarter than us Aryans, and they are really the literal descendants of the the ancient Israelites, then why was ancient Israel such a dirty, scientifically/technologically backward shithole that was so easily conquered by Greece and Rome and Persia--and, in fact, virtually every other passing invader?

    Face it: modern Ashkenazic Jews are really just white like the rest of us. They are not, for the most part, 'Semites'. They may well be said to constitute a separate ethnic group; but they are definitely not a separate race. I'm sure there are loads of people in Spain, Portugal and Sicily have a lot more Semitic blood than the Ashkenazic Jews.

    I’m sure there are loads of people in Spain, Portugal and Sicily have a lot more Semitic blood than the Ashkenazic Jews.

    Oh yes – and aren’t those called Sephardim?

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  80. @Buzz Mohawk

    I personally feel ashamed trying to squeeze every penny out of every situation, but some folks have no compunction about it at all.
     
    This rings true. Stereotypes have some basis in reality, as we know.

    I have business stories of my own, looking from the outside in at people like Pinker and his grandfather. One example: A multimillionaire who owned five choice properties and a business would come into my office to argue over two dollars. He did this on more than one occasion, taking a special trip and at least part of an hour to do it. Without going into detail, there was no error, nothing wrong about the two dollars, but he simply would argue against it. And boy could he argue.

    Every last scrap, no matter what. I know the type very well. Perhaps they are "intelligent," but are they smart? Are they wise?

    I haven’t noticed much correlation between the intelligence that gives us the prized breakthroughs (and maintenance) in science with penny pinching characteristics.

    I have noticed that many who get ahead financially have a sort of “pimp eye” for seeing and exploiting financial situations, a trait not particularly linked to intelligence. As noted in a nearby story, America the weak-willed victim attracts a lot of such immigrants who set up various financial scams.

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  81. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Macumazahn
    Which is more intelligent - the parasitic population, or the host population?

    The Jews themselves know of their inferiority to white Christian society and are jealous of their inability to create anything comparable. They know too that without Christ they will always be inferior and white Christians will always be supreme. You see this in their constant references to white supremacists. They have to tell us how smart they are and how wonderful they are to psychologically compensate for their sense of inferiority. Like this Pinker clown is doing.

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  82. @Seamus Padraig
    This is one problem I have with the HBD crowd: it seems to be a back-door way of promoting the idea of a Jewish master-race. But chew on this a while:

    If modern Ashkenazic Jews are really soooo much smarter than us Aryans, and they are really the literal descendants of the the ancient Israelites, then why was ancient Israel such a dirty, scientifically/technologically backward shithole that was so easily conquered by Greece and Rome and Persia--and, in fact, virtually every other passing invader?

    Face it: modern Ashkenazic Jews are really just white like the rest of us. They are not, for the most part, 'Semites'. They may well be said to constitute a separate ethnic group; but they are definitely not a separate race. I'm sure there are loads of people in Spain, Portugal and Sicily have a lot more Semitic blood than the Ashkenazic Jews.

    I’m no expert, but IIRC the Cochran/Harpending thesis is that the restrictions imposed on Jews in medieval Europe (chiefly no land ownership, but a lot of other things) forced Jews into a few occupations, mainly financial and middleman ones. In a pre-contraceptive era, who was likely to have most children live to adulthood, a poor Jew or a prosperous one?

    For example, acting as tax-gatherers and enforcing labour contribution from serfs (on behalf of the absent lord) wasn’t exactly the way to a Polish peasant’s heart, but it did mean that those with a head for figures and the toughness to enforce payment could prosper.

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/arenda-jewish-virtual-library

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  83. @anon

    “Gavin Evans lectures first year and post-graduate students in journalism at Birkbeck, and over the past decade has also lectured at Birkbeck in critical thinking, media law, online journalism and aspects of media theory. He also supervises MA dissertations at Cardiff University, where he lectures in research methodology, and he is a senior lecturer at the London School of Journalism.”
     
    You make fun of his scientific credentials, but be fair. You don't know how many episodes of Bill Nye he's seen. Or Neil Degrasse Tyson.

    You make fun of his scientific credentials, but be fair. You don’t know how many episodes of Bill Nye he’s seen. Or Neil Degrasse Tyson.

    It’s more than just not knowing any of the science, the data, it’s this fundamental innumeracy of our chattering classes.

    Any genetic trait which is not “fixed” in individuals is going to vary between groups.

    That’s just math. Five fingers, five toes, two eyes–yeah the races are essentially the same in those traits. But anything where there is individual variance–skin, hair, eye color, height, body shape, musculature, blood types, on and on and on–must vary between groups as well. Groups are groups of individuals and the set of individuals is continually changing is people–with one set of traits–die, while other individuals–with a different set of traits–are born. If two groups, by some fluke are identical in some trait today … they’ll be different tomorrow. Selection and drift are always working away. (The only way you could beat that math is some sort of very precise balancing selection–akin to what we have for sex–that operates absolutely the same across all groups. And even the sex balance varies a bit racially.)

    And anyone who doesn’t think selection is actively working on our mental hardware … is just a complete clueless idiot. Our brains are the signature survival trait of humans, and obviously differentially affects survival, probably more than anything with the possible exception of disease resistance. But the way selection works–what sort of brains are being crafted–varies according to our widely varying (geographically and culturally) environments. Anyone who argues against that is flat out denying very basic biology–genetics and selection.

    How groups vary–which groups are taller/shorter, paler, redder, yellower, browner, blacker, thicker/thinner, more malaria resistance, more lactose tolerant, smarter, more cooperative, more violent … –that is an experiemental, observational, data collection question. But that ethnic/racial groups will vary in all these non-fixed traits, that’s just math.

    Having these math-phobic, innumerate “elites” lecturing us, “leading” our culture is a disaster, particularly at this point in time.

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  84. @Anonymous
    They don't have to worry about us, or any of the science. They can simply ignore us, and it. After all, they control the Narratives. What they do have to worry about is the slightest hint of apostasy on the part of their own forces. This is why internecine combat is often the most vicious when a real revolution gets underway.

    They don’t have to worry about us, or any of the science. They can simply ignore us, and it. After all, they control the Narratives.

    Well that’s their strategy.

    But no. They do have to worry about the science. The science is going to keep marching on–becoming every more explicit and “sciency”, as in locating particular genes and interactions–whether they like it or not. Whatever they manage to ban here, the Chinese and others will be publishing anyway. Genetic services will be growing.

    Their narrative is basically doomed. Unfortunatley they may manage to doom us white people before this is sorted out. But the one thing that’s for certain is that their narrative and world view will not be the future … because it’s a lie.

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  85. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Seamus Padraig
    This is one problem I have with the HBD crowd: it seems to be a back-door way of promoting the idea of a Jewish master-race. But chew on this a while:

    If modern Ashkenazic Jews are really soooo much smarter than us Aryans, and they are really the literal descendants of the the ancient Israelites, then why was ancient Israel such a dirty, scientifically/technologically backward shithole that was so easily conquered by Greece and Rome and Persia--and, in fact, virtually every other passing invader?

    Face it: modern Ashkenazic Jews are really just white like the rest of us. They are not, for the most part, 'Semites'. They may well be said to constitute a separate ethnic group; but they are definitely not a separate race. I'm sure there are loads of people in Spain, Portugal and Sicily have a lot more Semitic blood than the Ashkenazic Jews.

    Y-chromosome and other genetic studies disprove what you are saying. Modern Ashkenazim have a highly mixed ancestry including much ancient near-Eastern admixture. As for how they can be smarter than their ancient ancestors, it’s called bottlenecks and novel selection pressure. I’d say look it up, but hey, how could one expect a non-Ashkenazi such as yourself to comprehend science?

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  86. @Buzz Mohawk

    I personally feel ashamed trying to squeeze every penny out of every situation, but some folks have no compunction about it at all.
     
    This rings true. Stereotypes have some basis in reality, as we know.

    I have business stories of my own, looking from the outside in at people like Pinker and his grandfather. One example: A multimillionaire who owned five choice properties and a business would come into my office to argue over two dollars. He did this on more than one occasion, taking a special trip and at least part of an hour to do it. Without going into detail, there was no error, nothing wrong about the two dollars, but he simply would argue against it. And boy could he argue.

    Every last scrap, no matter what. I know the type very well. Perhaps they are "intelligent," but are they smart? Are they wise?

    After having developed a science to assess people’s IQ, perhaps we also should develop a science to assess people’s GQ (greed quotient). Especially relevant for the people you mention !

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  87. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Good grief. Can we put to bed the half German kids born to American black soldiers. Sorry, but are you that dense.

    At the time (and currently) the military test applicants to make sure that they have an IQ above 85 - the black average. That's the bottom! So the worst blacks allowed into the military are average intelligence for the overall black population. Presumably, the average black allowed into the military would be far higher than the worst black, so let's say around 100 IQ. In addition, the blacks sent over to Germany might be a tad higher than the average black in the military, so let's say ~105 IQ.

    Wow, how shocking that kids of ~100 IQ German women and ~105 American black military men were fairly close to 100 IQ and thus far higher than your average African American in terms of intelligence.

    In addition, because the military requires discipline, organization and the ability to follow orders (all heritable traits), it's not surprising that those children were far superior in those traits than your average African American.

    So, no, it's not nuture, as you would hope to believe. It's nature - as it always is.

    Sure, would blacks do better without the Gangsta culture? Of course. But forcing a more European or Asian culture (Mr. Chieh) wouldn't only temper their natural instincts. In addition, they would revert to their natural instincts once their overlords stepped away.

    Blacks raise their kids the way that feels natural to them. Trying to stop that is a bit like holding a chair over your head. You can do it for awhile, but sooner or later, gravity wins.

    Well, there are obviously “nurture” or environmental effects: enough exposure to lead and one identical twin will develop meaningful damage, while while his unexposed counterpart won’t. The former will have a developmental delay and lowered cognitive capacities.

    And of course, blacks in white-run Rhodesia had generally higher education, life expectancies and income than in post-Mugabe Zimbabwe; I actually knew a black Nigeria from then and there, and he benefited significantly from British-style boarding schools.

    But I don’t disagree about the general importance of nature, or indeed, that even nurture comes from nature. Blacks(like others) do better in two-parent households, but 70% of black families are single mothers and this is the prevailing trend in Africa as well. Ancedotally, seeing how much my white wife and her mother dotes on our newborn, I have to admit that it really does seem to be much more naturally prone to a loving tendency beyond most East Asian women that I know(which are much more focused on efficiency).

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  88. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Good grief. Can we put to bed the half German kids born to American black soldiers. Sorry, but are you that dense.

    At the time (and currently) the military test applicants to make sure that they have an IQ above 85 - the black average. That's the bottom! So the worst blacks allowed into the military are average intelligence for the overall black population. Presumably, the average black allowed into the military would be far higher than the worst black, so let's say around 100 IQ. In addition, the blacks sent over to Germany might be a tad higher than the average black in the military, so let's say ~105 IQ.

    Wow, how shocking that kids of ~100 IQ German women and ~105 American black military men were fairly close to 100 IQ and thus far higher than your average African American in terms of intelligence.

    In addition, because the military requires discipline, organization and the ability to follow orders (all heritable traits), it's not surprising that those children were far superior in those traits than your average African American.

    So, no, it's not nuture, as you would hope to believe. It's nature - as it always is.

    Sure, would blacks do better without the Gangsta culture? Of course. But forcing a more European or Asian culture (Mr. Chieh) wouldn't only temper their natural instincts. In addition, they would revert to their natural instincts once their overlords stepped away.

    Blacks raise their kids the way that feels natural to them. Trying to stop that is a bit like holding a chair over your head. You can do it for awhile, but sooner or later, gravity wins.

    “…Blacks raise their kids the way that feels natural to them…”

    Like with all racial groups, their nurture is a reflection of their nature.

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  89. @donut
    I would like to know what % of Ashkenazi Jews there are sitting on the committees that make the awards . And of course there is the ever present risk of being labeled a Nazi for voting the wrong way .

    Jewish success, in whatever endeavor, has to be ascribed to a combination of higher IQ (which is real, like it or not) + ethnic nepotism + “chutzpah”. If you only have high IQ but no ethnic support or “chutzpah”, you cannot compete with these people.

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  90. @Buzz Mohawk

    I personally feel ashamed trying to squeeze every penny out of every situation, but some folks have no compunction about it at all.
     
    This rings true. Stereotypes have some basis in reality, as we know.

    I have business stories of my own, looking from the outside in at people like Pinker and his grandfather. One example: A multimillionaire who owned five choice properties and a business would come into my office to argue over two dollars. He did this on more than one occasion, taking a special trip and at least part of an hour to do it. Without going into detail, there was no error, nothing wrong about the two dollars, but he simply would argue against it. And boy could he argue.

    Every last scrap, no matter what. I know the type very well. Perhaps they are "intelligent," but are they smart? Are they wise?

    Back in the day when I was handling the financials (including billing) for a very high-end San Francisco catering company I had an intense “discussion” with a member of the tribe (older female) about the price we charged for ice ($7/bag, this was the early 90′s).

    The event was a small sit-down dinner party at her home where our total fee was in excess of $20K. But she wanted basically to be comped the ice. Which I did.

    That was another point in my red-pilling.

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    That should read $10K not $20K. Fat fingers on phone. Still very expensive for one meal at your home. BTW, all costs were agreed to prior to the event. It is not like we surprised her with any costs.
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  91. @MEH 0910
    http://tonykaron.com/2009/03/07/evans-confessions-of-a-teenage-marxist/

    Confessions of a Teenage Marxist
    By Gavin Evans


    I was away on South African ‘struggle’ business when I heard Hungary had opened its doors to Austria – the first metaphorical crack in the Berlin Wall in 1989. In fact, I was a guest in the Lusaka home of a bigwig in the South African Communist Party, an organisation that for all its virtues had earned the epithet ‘slavish’ when it came to relations with countries in the Soviet orbit. My first reaction that morning in the Zambian capital, was a silent ‘oh well’. By then, I was beyond caring, which was awkward because I was a Party member with all sorts of jobs in its underground structures. My solution was to approach Party secretary general Joe Slovo (who’d recently returned from a visit to the GDR, where he was given a lovely bottle of something delicious by Erich Honecker) to request a demotion. Joe said no and I could have just walked, but instead wriggled and squirmed until a year later, when the Party was unbanned, I was permitted to withdraw, allowing a 12-year relation with the left to fizzle out.

    This relationship had started in 1978 when as a fired-up teenage idealist, I was invited to an anti-apartheid protest at the University of Texas in Austin. I stayed with a flame-bearded, MG-driving Marxist lecturer called Dr Ed Steinhart, who cheerfully instructed me in the ‘science’ of historical materialism, comparing Marx’s revelations to Newton’s – objective, certain, provable. (Years later, it dawned on me that not only did Marxism lack any resemblance to science, but neither did economics, or psychology, or any of the social ‘sciences’ but I digress…) Anyway, at the time I lapped up the certainty and universality of the Marxism he was evangelizing, using it to fill the void left by my abandonment of evangelical Christianity less than a year earlier. I devoured A Communist Manifesto, and strenuously worked my way through Volume 1 of Capital, returning to Cape Town a fervent convert.
    ......
    One last question: for people like me who were so intensely involved in trying to change the world prior to the fall of the Wall, is there anything left of that energy? I can only answer that at a personal level. The issue that still gets me excited is the debate on the cusp between biology and the humanities around human nature – in particular, the backlash against feminism from the misogynistic snake oil salesmen who call themselves ‘evolutionary psychologists’. This stuff gets me angry and exercised. But for the rest, well, the fact that I have not lived in South Africa for 16 years (and that in that time have managed to attend a grand total of two political meetings – leaving both early- and one march against the Iraq war), obviously points to an absence of activist impulse.
     

    Straight from “Central Casting”…….

    No need to pay attention to him about politics and economics…..what makes anyone think he’s any sharper on biology!

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  92. @anonymous
    If Askenazis are so smart why haven't they been able to create a functioning civilized society of their own but instead must always leech off of their inferiors, white Christians and their societies? Do they lack the ability, or the capability to do so, or is it the intelligence??

    There are intelligent creators and there are intelligent parasites. Said group belongs to the latter category.

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  93. @MEH 0910
    Gavin Evans writing in The Guardian back in 2003:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/nov/14/race.highereducation


    But the most significant fallacy within this kind of pseudo-science goes to the heart of our current knowledge about human evolution. It is now beyond serious dispute that we all emerged from Africa, and that in scientific terms the concept of race is of little significance. The Harvard geneticist Dr Richard Lewontin, for example, stresses that individuals rather than races are the repositories of genetic variability, and that racial classifications are products of society rather than biology. For instance, relatively settled African populations in central Africa have far greater genetic diversity than anywhere else on the planet. We may choose to identify them by their common skin colour and hair type, but in genetic terms these individuals may have more in common with, say, white Anglo Saxons.
     

    That is called the “Lewontin-fallacy”, which has been debunked already. Look that up.

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  94. @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Back in the day when I was handling the financials (including billing) for a very high-end San Francisco catering company I had an intense "discussion" with a member of the tribe (older female) about the price we charged for ice ($7/bag, this was the early 90's).

    The event was a small sit-down dinner party at her home where our total fee was in excess of $20K. But she wanted basically to be comped the ice. Which I did.

    That was another point in my red-pilling.

    That should read $10K not $20K. Fat fingers on phone. Still very expensive for one meal at your home. BTW, all costs were agreed to prior to the event. It is not like we surprised her with any costs.

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  95. Even his name is racist. One race is notably pinker than the others.

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  96. @Mishima Zaibatsu
    O/T
    Meanwhile, the US problem of Bad Schools has been discovered in Germany.

    From DW:

    German school system is failing refugees - report

    Young refugees often land in disadvantaged schools that lack qualified teachers in deprived areas. A new study claims that for integration to succeed, educators will have to rethink their approach
     
    The conclusion of the article may be interesting to Americans, while the US media is continually blaring the claim that you guys are uniquely a nation of immigrants:

    The report concludes that teachers themselves will need to be better trained to deal with diversity in their schools. That will require more money and more teaching personnel for schools in disadvantaged neighborhoods.
    . . .
    "It starts with understanding that diversity needs to be the point of departure for the organization of the school day," said Morris-Lange, emphasizing that change is impossible if principals and teachers do not act as a team.

    "Nonetheless, it will take a long time to prepare our schools for the challenges of adequately serving the immigrant society that we have become."
     

    The problem is not understanding that Vibrantium is quite a bit different than Vibranium. Too much of the former negates the positive effects of the latter.

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  97. The article is just a very dated rehash of every cherry picked study and quote from the last 60 years.

    Evans obviously doesn’t even understand the latest results regarding polygenic scores for cognitive ability. He can only “refute” now obsolete studies which didn’t hold up.

    The man is a dreadful hack.

    But one thing this whole issue does bring up in my own mind is a possible study that, some years back, had been proposed, according to Charles Murray. Murray had mentioned that some potential sponsor had proposed that a study be conducted that might decide the issue of whether blacks and whites in the US differed in IQ primarily due to genes.

    The proposed study would take a large number of blacks in the US, and correlate their degree of white ancestry with IQ. That correlation should go a good distance to determine how much the difference between blacks and whites in IQ is based on genes. Obviously, all kinds of other controls, such as for skin color, could be introduced.

    I wonder if the incidental result of the collection of massive amounts of genomic data on people in the US won’t be to allow such a study to be easily conducted. We will be able to determine the amount of white ancestry, and correlate it with cognitive ability. We could presumably also track skin color due to genes, and some other variables we might wish to control for.

    I wonder how far off we might be from actually conducting such a study.

    Murray noted that, when this study was originally proposed, the idea was that both sides of the debate would participate, so that it would be a fair study. In response to the proposal, hereditarians like Jensen and Rushton were eager to see the study go forward. But environmentalists refused to get on board.

    I can’t, of course, imagine why the environmentalists were so reluctant. By their own assertions, not only were they right, but they were so obviously right that their opponents deserved to be denounced for conducting racist pseudo-science. How odd that the study that would finally prove them 100% right was something they refused to back.

    But, again, I wonder if this study won’t soon be conducted in the natural course of today’s science.

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    The proposed study would take a large number of blacks in the US, and correlate their degree of white ancestry with IQ. That correlation should go a good distance to determine how much the difference between blacks and whites in IQ is based on genes. Obviously, all kinds of other controls, such as for skin color, could be introduced....
    But, again, I wonder if this study won’t soon be conducted in the natural course of today’s science.

    Well, exactly. Emil Kirkegaard wrote somewhere that you can infer with some confidence the result of such a study merely from the fact that it hasn't been done (or published).

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  98. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/gmrevans/status/969616280897671173

    From Intelligence (September-October 2013):
    IQ and the wealth of nations: How much reverse causality?
    Gregory B. Christainsen

    Article history:
    Received 25 February 2013
    Received in revised form 29 June 2013
    Accepted 19 July 2013

    ABSTRACT
    This paper uses data from 130 IQ test administrations worldwide and employs regression analysis
    to try to quantify the impact of living conditions on average IQ scores in nationally-representative
    samples. The study emphasizes the possible role of conditions at or near the test-takers’ time of
    birth. The paper finds that the impact of living conditions is of much smaller magnitude than is
    suggested by just looking at correlations between average IQ scores and socioeconomic indicators.
    After controlling for test-takers’ region of ancestry, the impact of parasitic diseases on average IQ
    is found to be statistically insignificant when test results from the Caribbean are included in the
    analysis. As far as IQ and the wealth of nations are concerned, causality thus appears to run mostly
    from the former to the latter. The test-takers’ region of ancestry dominates the regression results.
    While differences in average scores worldwide can thus be plausibly viewed as being influenced
    by genetic differences across world regions, it is also possible that score differences are influenced
    by regional differences in culture that are independent of genetic factors. Differences in average IQ
    across world regions may change in the years ahead insofar as the strength of Flynn effects may
    not be uniform, but some regional differences in average g levels seem likely to continue
    indefinitely.

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  99. @Buzz Mohawk

    I personally feel ashamed trying to squeeze every penny out of every situation, but some folks have no compunction about it at all.
     
    This rings true. Stereotypes have some basis in reality, as we know.

    I have business stories of my own, looking from the outside in at people like Pinker and his grandfather. One example: A multimillionaire who owned five choice properties and a business would come into my office to argue over two dollars. He did this on more than one occasion, taking a special trip and at least part of an hour to do it. Without going into detail, there was no error, nothing wrong about the two dollars, but he simply would argue against it. And boy could he argue.

    Every last scrap, no matter what. I know the type very well. Perhaps they are "intelligent," but are they smart? Are they wise?

    Without going into detail, there was no error, nothing wrong about the two dollars, but he simply would argue against it.

    My wife doesn’t understand why I get all riled up about losing 50 cents in a soda machine. It’s only $.50, right? Why am I risking injury by kicking the beast?

    But to me, it’s a moral issue. I don’t give a damn about being out four bits. What’s enraging is the fact that THEY HAVE IT.

    It’s possible that this is this man’s psychological stance as well.

    Robert X Cringely told the story of Bill Gates holding up a line in an ice cream shop while reaching into his pocket for a crumpled coupon.

    This rings true. Stereotypes have some basis in reality, as we know.

    Steven Goldberg has written some very good essays on stereotypes, one of which is “Are Stereotypes True?” He says yes.

    But he notes that uncomfortable stereotypes are not necessarily denied, but instead respun. Of course, when you write about this subject, you’re pretty much restricted to discussing only your own group, so readers don’t immediately close their minds.

    Thus, he explains that his fellow Jews do see the same trait in themselves that others see in them. But instead of it being “pushy”, it’s now “enterprising”. (Or something similar. I don’t have the book with me.)

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    " instead of it being “pushy”, it’s now “enterprising”"

    In forty years of visiting the Scottish Highlands and Islands, I've noticed an awful lot of the village stores or mobile catering vans are run by English 'settlers'. I try and patronise 'local' shops, but in some places they're outnumbered by the 'incomer economy'.

    Maybe the Highlanders feel the incomers are too pushy.
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  100. I think the real race study that we need is this: how much of the Ashkenazi Jews’ achievements are due to tribalism(in banking, government, law, industries, media, academia — constant promotion and hiring of their own kind) and white guilt(Nobel prize etc.) rather than true intelligence, i.e. the so called “white privilege” is actually “Jewish privilege”.

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  101. “Gavin Evans lectures first year and post-graduate students in journalism at Birkbeck . . .”.

    How daft can journalism instructors actually be? At our local state university, a journalism professor witnessed a careless driver almost hitting a pedestrian and almost clipping a bus. She took the driver’s license plate, and insisted that the parking attendant, who told me the story, contact the campus police so that the police could have a “chat” with the driver.

    Why? The journalism professor hadn’t been wronged by the careless driver. The pedestrian likely got a fright, but hadn’t been hit. The bus hadn’t been hit. The attendant had seen nothing, nor had the campus police whom he’d been urged to contact.

    I joked with the attendant that Prof. Wonderbutt’s dissertation may have been on how to report wrongs that didn’t happen, injuries that didn’t occur, and why the police are mostly rotten unless they’re responding to a professor’s demand for a dubious police intervention on his mere say-so. I added she was touching high-end grad courses in fake news. We laughed, both of us a bit uneasy, I suppose, that this sort of clueless human is teaching tomorrow’s newsmen.

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  102. @Seamus Padraig
    This is one problem I have with the HBD crowd: it seems to be a back-door way of promoting the idea of a Jewish master-race. But chew on this a while:

    If modern Ashkenazic Jews are really soooo much smarter than us Aryans, and they are really the literal descendants of the the ancient Israelites, then why was ancient Israel such a dirty, scientifically/technologically backward shithole that was so easily conquered by Greece and Rome and Persia--and, in fact, virtually every other passing invader?

    Face it: modern Ashkenazic Jews are really just white like the rest of us. They are not, for the most part, 'Semites'. They may well be said to constitute a separate ethnic group; but they are definitely not a separate race. I'm sure there are loads of people in Spain, Portugal and Sicily have a lot more Semitic blood than the Ashkenazic Jews.

    Face it: modern Ashkenazic Jews are really just white like the rest of us. They are not, for the most part, ‘Semites’. They may well be said to constitute a separate ethnic group; but they are definitely not a separate race. I’m sure there are loads of people in Spain, Portugal and Sicily have a lot more Semitic blood than the Ashkenazic Jews.

    I agree. Aside from their idealistic zeal (be it liberalism, socialism, communism or Zionism) and propensity for excess and decadence, i.e. excessive greed and lust, Ashkenazi Jews are virtually indistinguishable from other whites. Excess and decadence are usually a result of obscene wealth and unchecked power, which the Jews have achieved in spade just as the Romans once did. It’s why I question whether their achievements are due to true intelligence or plain old clannishness. A few truly intelligent ones make it to the top and only lower the ladders to their own clan, majority of whom are just average.

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  103. @Lot
    Denying than whites and NE Asians, and then even more so Ashkenazi have evolved higher intelligence has become a lot like denying evolution entirely. Everything we know about biology fits within the intellectual framework provided by Darwin, Huxley and Mendel. It must be exhausting to be an IQ egalitarian.

    You have to deny the validity or find bias with every single type of intelligence test.

    You have to deny the validity of every type of real world intelligence test, like income and education.

    You have to deny your own lying eyes.

    You have to deny that evolutionary selection for intelligence was any different in the literate, urbane, and inventive cultures of classical antiquity versus the naked fireless cavemen world of pre-contact Australia.

    You have to maintain higher intelligence was equally important to reproductive success to middle ages German Jews as middle ages Russian serfs.

    You have to maintain the people who built Notre Dame and the Paris Metro are no more intelligent than those who can't build anything bigger than a straw hut.

    You have to deny the extreme and long term inbreeding by Arabs and Pakistani has had any negative consequences on their national IQs.

    Finally, you have to live with the humiliation of knowing you are a liar who defames better men such as Pinker and Cochran for telling the truth. And with no more secular reward than a byline in the Guardian.

    It seems to have originated in the wake of WWII. The UNESCO statement on race was published in 1950, and it was a direct reaction to Nazism.

    I was reading through some of the published discussion of the statement,

    http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0007/000733/073351eo.pdf

    Most of the opinions were positive but there were notable dissenters such as Ronald Fisher, the renowned biologist who essentially invented modern statistics. You’d think you’d judge these matters, not by “developing consensus,” but by examining the actual quality of the assertions. The doctrine of scientific consensus holds that truth is determined by whether a majority of academics acquiesce to politically fashionable positions. At which point dissenters like crackpot Fisher can be dismissed as “thoroughly debunked,” “discredited,” and “pseudoscience” without bothering with any arguments or evidence.

    Here is one amusing bit of sophistry on page 23:

    In regard to intellectual qualities, higher intelligence was adaptive everywhere, all the time. Natural selection selected for higher intelligence in all human populations and for that reason human races do not differ in intellectual qualities.

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  104. Really? Am I the only one besides some other commenter I caught at Takimag who has looked into this so-called Ashkenazi IQ advantage? There is no actual test that I’ve been able to find anywhere that shows separate Ashkenazi IQ test scores. None. All the stories of high Ashkenazi IQ are based on estimates, and professional achievement. All of them. And don’t bring up Richard Lynne, please, he based his opinion on estimates, also. There is no place on American IQ tests that asks for a persons religious background, and the only ethnicity recognized is Hispanic.

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    I have never properly looked into it but I've lived with and around Jews my whole life, they really do produce objective geniuses, and this gets doubted because they produce so many shameless con artists, self-promoters, and brazen liars. The really bright Jews are often people you've never heard of unless you share their area of speciality. Remember that publicity is an essential component to con artistry.
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  105. @Reg Cæsar

    Without going into detail, there was no error, nothing wrong about the two dollars, but he simply would argue against it.
     
    My wife doesn't understand why I get all riled up about losing 50 cents in a soda machine. It's only $.50, right? Why am I risking injury by kicking the beast?

    But to me, it's a moral issue. I don't give a damn about being out four bits. What's enraging is the fact that THEY HAVE IT.

    It's possible that this is this man's psychological stance as well.

    Robert X Cringely told the story of Bill Gates holding up a line in an ice cream shop while reaching into his pocket for a crumpled coupon.


    This rings true. Stereotypes have some basis in reality, as we know.
     
    Steven Goldberg has written some very good essays on stereotypes, one of which is "Are Stereotypes True?" He says yes.

    But he notes that uncomfortable stereotypes are not necessarily denied, but instead respun. Of course, when you write about this subject, you're pretty much restricted to discussing only your own group, so readers don't immediately close their minds.

    Thus, he explains that his fellow Jews do see the same trait in themselves that others see in them. But instead of it being "pushy", it's now "enterprising". (Or something similar. I don't have the book with me.)

    ” instead of it being “pushy”, it’s now “enterprising””

    In forty years of visiting the Scottish Highlands and Islands, I’ve noticed an awful lot of the village stores or mobile catering vans are run by English ‘settlers’. I try and patronise ‘local’ shops, but in some places they’re outnumbered by the ‘incomer economy’.

    Maybe the Highlanders feel the incomers are too pushy.

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  106. My approach with race difference deniers is to ask them two questions about their opposition to the idea that different ethnic groups might have different average intelligence levels.

    Are they saying that intelligence differences between geographically separate human groups with different founders & selection pressures is theoretically impossible?

    Or are they saying that it is theoretically possible, but it never happened, even once, in humankind’s entire history across the globe?

    Uniformly, their response has been that I am a racist, hateful, white supremacist Nazi.

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  107. @Buzz Mohawk

    I personally feel ashamed trying to squeeze every penny out of every situation, but some folks have no compunction about it at all.
     
    This rings true. Stereotypes have some basis in reality, as we know.

    I have business stories of my own, looking from the outside in at people like Pinker and his grandfather. One example: A multimillionaire who owned five choice properties and a business would come into my office to argue over two dollars. He did this on more than one occasion, taking a special trip and at least part of an hour to do it. Without going into detail, there was no error, nothing wrong about the two dollars, but he simply would argue against it. And boy could he argue.

    Every last scrap, no matter what. I know the type very well. Perhaps they are "intelligent," but are they smart? Are they wise?

    It’s at least partially the principle of the thing. If you think you’re getting ripped off, even on a small matter, refusing to accept it prevents people from thinking you’re an easy mark and trying to take advantage on larger things.

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    It’s at least partially the principle of the thing. If you think you’re getting ripped off, even on a small matter, refusing to accept it prevents people from thinking you’re an easy mark and trying to take advantage on larger things.
     
    Yes, I think there is a lot of truth to that. There's also the matter of just trying to salvage a little pride from a humiliating experience - you might call it the Damon Wayans effect (after an obscene and very funny joke he used to tell).
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  108. @Macumazahn
    Which is more intelligent - the parasitic population, or the host population?

    Separate them and find out.

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  109. Why does the flaneur Nissim Nicholas Taleb hate Pinker so much? His tweets about Pinker are so funny.

    Imbecile! Fucking idiot! Etc.

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    Does Pinker even lift?
    , @J.Ross
    Taleb is a real intellectual and Pinker just released a book commamding us to embrace the traditions of a time period he was exposed to have known nothing about.
    Taleb's whole schtick is exposing the problems with conventional wisdom and Pinker is a golem made out of conventional wisdom itself.
    Pinker is trying to propagandize for a disastrous elite; a lot of Pinker's blind spots are the establishment's blind spots, and explain a lot of real problems in the world today.
    That and listen to Taleb call Pinker an idiot and then listen to Pinker whine through a one-sided softball interview on BBC and then guess who has more testosterone.
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  110. @Seamus Padraig
    This is one problem I have with the HBD crowd: it seems to be a back-door way of promoting the idea of a Jewish master-race. But chew on this a while:

    If modern Ashkenazic Jews are really soooo much smarter than us Aryans, and they are really the literal descendants of the the ancient Israelites, then why was ancient Israel such a dirty, scientifically/technologically backward shithole that was so easily conquered by Greece and Rome and Persia--and, in fact, virtually every other passing invader?

    Face it: modern Ashkenazic Jews are really just white like the rest of us. They are not, for the most part, 'Semites'. They may well be said to constitute a separate ethnic group; but they are definitely not a separate race. I'm sure there are loads of people in Spain, Portugal and Sicily have a lot more Semitic blood than the Ashkenazic Jews.

    What do you mean, ‘us Aryans’? You’re making rather a large assumption about the people you’re speaking to.

    Perhaps you should think carefully before rushing to make a fool of yourself.

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    What do you mean, ‘us Aryans’?

     

    It's a reasonable assumption.
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  111. Pinker can get away with this because as a Jew he’s a Master Victim and nearly beyond the possibility of indignant criticism. Notice that Herrnstein and Murray’s The Bell Curve is always attributed to Murray despite Herrnstein’s larger input, so that Murray has to take the heat for the ‘racism’ of the argument. We have all been conditioned to compete with each other to see who can say the most complimentary things about Jews. But sterner elements of the Jewish community do not like extreme Zionism and sympathize with black critics of Jewish domination of black politics. Suppose Ashkenazi Jews are indeed smarter than average whites or Asians not to mention blacks. There will still be lots of smart individuals from other backgrounds, while Jewish over-representation in the halls of power is so great as to be beyond rationalization by citing higher IQs. Jewish power and the argument for “meritocracy” pose a problem for people who don’t like the wars and social campaigns that Jews throw their enormous weight behind. “Merit” as most of us define it has less to do with IQ and more to do with honor, courage, loyalty, kindness, trustworthiness, perseverance, sacrifice and charity. Which is not to say that Jews lack those things but if they campaign to show they are smarter than the rest of us it is bound to look like they are claiming some sort of right to dominate, which might not be such a hot idea from a PR standpoint.

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  112. @Buzz Mohawk
    Before anybody chimes in and says the man in my story must have gotten rich because he was so particular about every last dollar: No. You're wrong. He always dealt in large assets and came from a wealthy family to begin with.

    Maybe some ancestor originally built the fortune by being so penny-pinching; maybe his whole family was like that, but it did the man no good at all. It cost him far more in time and resources than it was ever worth, not to mention what it did to his business relationship with me, which had a value of its own.

    And he is just one, typical example.

    When you can't switch off a behavior to suit new situations, you are not intelligent, you are a stupid animal running on instinct.

    When you can’t switch off a behavior to suit new situations, you are not intelligent, you are a stupid animal running on instinct.

    That’s a great insight, Buzz. How much of success is based on beneficial instincts versus the ability to adapt to a new situation? Probably a lot, though this would also likely have a nurture component. It would be very interesting to define and quantify the latter characteristic, the ability to adapt.

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  113. @AndrewR
    Has anyone here bothered reading the whole thing? It just seems like pure virtue-signalling point-and-sputter.

    What else would you expect? Got about half way through and so far nothing but him screeching “HERETICS!!!” and “BLASPHEMPERS!!!” Critical thinking all right. I wonder if they realize how stupid they come across?

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  114. @Rich
    Really? Am I the only one besides some other commenter I caught at Takimag who has looked into this so-called Ashkenazi IQ advantage? There is no actual test that I've been able to find anywhere that shows separate Ashkenazi IQ test scores. None. All the stories of high Ashkenazi IQ are based on estimates, and professional achievement. All of them. And don't bring up Richard Lynne, please, he based his opinion on estimates, also. There is no place on American IQ tests that asks for a persons religious background, and the only ethnicity recognized is Hispanic.

    I have never properly looked into it but I’ve lived with and around Jews my whole life, they really do produce objective geniuses, and this gets doubted because they produce so many shameless con artists, self-promoters, and brazen liars. The really bright Jews are often people you’ve never heard of unless you share their area of speciality. Remember that publicity is an essential component to con artistry.

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    I grew up in Forest Hills, Queens, then moved out to Long Island while in junior High School. I've been around Jewish people all my life. I've met some very smart smart ones, some mediocre ones and some as dumb as stumps. One thing I know about them is their parents made sure they all at least tried to go to college, while a lot of the other White kids took civil service jobs or joined high paying construction unions. In my high school, which was maybe 30% Jewish, an Italian-American girl was the valedictorian and a Greek-American boy the salutatorian. I went to Queens College in the early 80's, another very Jewish institution, and again their intelligence ran the gamut, just like every other ethnic group. This doesn't change the fact that in order to say one ethnic group has a higher IQ, you have to produce a test, maybe even a series of tests, and you have to prove that the test was given to a large enough group to cover the entire group. My experience is, that people who aren't from areas with a high Jewish population, only meet the more successful members of the group through their professions and the media, unaware of the great unwashed that make up the vast majority of every ethnic group.
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  115. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    " In academics, blacks are clearly losers. But in sports, they are clearly winners over Hindus, Arabs, Chinese, Mexicans, and even big Germanic and Slavic whites. "

    Not in soccer, or wrestling, or hockey, or baseball, or swimming, or most track & field events. It's only if you use the narrow, American, definition of sports as basketball, gridiron football, and sprinting events. Marathon running is another one, though those are obviously very different kind of blacks from the highlands of East Africa.

    West Africans, curiously, don't even dominate high-jumping, which you'd think they'd be far superior at, given their muscle composition and long Achilles' tendons.
    Speaking of activities requiring high vertical jumping, the greatest dunker in the world for quite some time has been a 6-1 white Canadian, who reportedly has a 48" standing vertical. However, his first name IS Jordan, so maybe being named after, and having the greatest player of all time as a role model caused him to magically develop this ability. We all know how important role models arefor blacks and women, they can't achieve without them.

    Not in soccer, or wrestling, or hockey, or baseball, or swimming, or most track & field events.

    Did you see the French soccer team? Also, considering blacks constitute a small number in many European nations, their representation in soccer teams is remarkable.

    Most blacks don’t go into wrestling. Why go there when they can go into football and make millions and say “where the white women at?” How much do wrestlers make? But the Cuban Negro went into Greco-Roman wrestling and totally dominates.

    Hockey.. Come on! It’s a white winter sport most blacks have no interest in.

    Blacks may have disadvantage in longer-distance swimming due to lower fat mass.

    Most track and field events are not iconic, popular, or profitable. I mean who cares about the hammer throw? Who cares about walking? In the most iconic and most watched track and field events like 100 to 400 m track and long distance running, blacks dominate.

    Blacks don’t win medals in Trampoline. So, are we to assume they suck at jumping and bouncing?

    But when blacks do make inroads into white sports like tennis or gymnastics, they can blow away the competition.

    West Africans, curiously, don’t even dominate high-jumping, which you’d think they’d be far superior at, given their muscle composition and long Achilles’ tendons.
    Speaking of activities requiring high vertical jumping, the greatest dunker in the world for quite some time has been a 6-1 white Canadian

    Again, why would most blacks go into sports that offer little money? If you’re a black who can jump, would you choose basketball and make in millions or high-jumping?

    I don’t know about the Canadian dunker but he seems to be an exception that proves the rule.

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  116. It is now beyond serious dispute that we all emerged from Africa, and that in scientific terms the concept of race is of little significance.

    It is remarkable how vacuous that sentence is. First it is, I believe, in some dispute that all homo-sapiens emerged from Africa. All homo-sapien ancestors likely emerged from there, but it is possible that some evolution between the precursor to homo-sapiens and homo-sapiens occurred after the initial dispersal from Africa. But apart from that, the notion that there are no differences between things because they share a common origin is just loopy. All continental land-masses emerged from Pangaea that doesn’t mean they are all the same. All the planets of the solar system emerged from the same proto-stellar cloud – that doesn’t mean there is no meaningful distinction between the planets.

    The Harvard geneticist Dr Richard Lewontin, for example,

    It’s funny how that “for example” always happens to be the same guy: Richard Lewontin. How broad is a scientific concensus when a sample drawn from it is always the same scientist?

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  117. @Melendwyr
    It's at least partially the principle of the thing. If you think you're getting ripped off, even on a small matter, refusing to accept it prevents people from thinking you're an easy mark and trying to take advantage on larger things.

    It’s at least partially the principle of the thing. If you think you’re getting ripped off, even on a small matter, refusing to accept it prevents people from thinking you’re an easy mark and trying to take advantage on larger things.

    Yes, I think there is a lot of truth to that. There’s also the matter of just trying to salvage a little pride from a humiliating experience – you might call it the Damon Wayans effect (after an obscene and very funny joke he used to tell).

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    What was the joke?
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  118. a body of thoroughly debunked “science” “debunked“ science is being revived by people who claim to be defending truth against a rising tide of ignorance.

    Fixed it for them.

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  119. @anon
    As I've written before about the infamous "Goyishe Kop" story by Pinker, it seems to have not occurred to either Pinker or his haberdasher gramps that the supposed inability to fashion ties out of every last scrap of material by the shop's goyim wasn't necessarily due to stupidity. Of course it's more satisfactory to call goyim stupid than to admit to some of the less charming traits of Pinker's ethnic group.

    Maybe they weren't all that motivated to squeeze every last cent out of material for the owner's benefit? Or wouldn't be even for their own benefit? How much effort people expend to squeeze every penny out of something is surely one of the qualities that differs between ethnic groups. And that's at least partly why some groups are wayyyy over-represented on the Forbes 400. I personally feel ashamed trying to squeeze every penny out of every situation, but some folks have no compunction about it at all.

    I personally feel ashamed trying to squeeze every penny out of every situation, but some folks have no compunction about it at all.

    This isn’t solely a Jewish thing. My mother is the biggest coupon-clipping cheapskate I’ve ever met.

    One time, when I was a kid, she made me get down on my hands and knees at the supermarket to locate a quarter that she had dropped. Another time, she yelled and screamed at me for half an hour after I inadvertently threw away an empty envelope with a new stamp on it. (She was more angry about the fact that I had thrown away her last stamp. She really wasn’t in the mood to go out to the post office.)

    Many parents encourage their kids to leave a little bit of food on the plate. My mother always insisted that I eat every single bite of everything she gave me: “I paid good money for this food, and I’m not about to have you waste it!”

    Even today, she tends to go to the same stores over and over again. She gets to know the managers and figures out ways to sweet-talk them into giving her special discounts.

    My maternal grandmother used t0 compare my mother (unfavorably) with my paternal great-grandmother, who had similar penny-pinching (and ball-busting) tendencies.

    (Then again, my maternal grandmother was no spendthrift, either. She instilled in me the habit of always keeping one eye on the ground to spot any loose change that might be lying around.)

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  120. The author of the Guardian article makes some valid observations, but falls prey (in a major way) to the type of thinking that he accuses his adversaries of having. I’m not in that field, but I suspect he’s somewhat accurate (realistic) about we can expect IQ to tell us about intelligence. Human intelligence is too important and developed to be adequately summed up by a single number. Can you sum up the weather with a single number? It’s 72 degrees outside, but that one number can’t tell you if it’s dry enough to plow the field, calm enough to have a party outdoors, too calm to go sailing, or whether there’s a serious storm coming. The temperature is illuminating about the weather outside, but not encapsulating.

    I wish white advocates would stop relying so much on IQ in such a simplistic way. The “IQ = success” idea doesn’t seem to be correlated consistently enough for most employers in the modern world to use it extensively. Instead, they rely heavily on level of education attained, GPA, SAT scores, success at previous jobs, performance at current job, sales numbers, etc. I will say that in the absence of these better assessments, IQ could be used on an individual basis to evaluate fitness for immigration. In fact, it we should start doing that. The left would despise such a proposal and hate me for making it, but IQ isn’t rendered meaningless because of it’s short-comings.

    That’s the problem with the author: he battles what he sees as a simplistic narrative with an equally (or more) simplistic counter-narrative, at least with regards to intelligence and IQ. His moral outrage pretty much verifies that. He thinks preceptually about the subject rather than conceptually. Despite his high level of education, it’s inconceivable to him that the truth on this subject could reside somewhere between his position and the position of his opponents.

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    The “IQ = success” idea doesn’t seem to be correlated consistently enough for most employers in the modern world to use it extensively. Instead, they rely heavily on level of education attained, GPA, SAT scores, success at previous jobs, performance at current job, sales numbers, etc.
     
    You'll find, if you research the history of it, that many employers once used some sort of test to qualify applicants. They largely abandoned the practice after the U.S. Supreme Court 1971 ruling in Griggs v. Duke Power (402 U.S. 424) which introduced the doctrine that "adverse impact" on minorities was sufficient proof of racial discrimination, irrespective of any intent to discriminate. It is very difficult to devise a test that functions essentially to establish the taker's IQ which does not have a disparate impact on blacks.

    While requiring (for example) that applicants for certain types of employment hold a BA or equivalent degree may also have such a disparate impact, it is easier to defend as related to a "reasonable measure of job performance." Thus, for example, if a bank has a policy of hiring only persons with degrees in business or economics as entry-level lending officers, it could maintain that this was justified by the nature of the job more credibly than it could do with a general IQ test.

    The intelligence necessary to earn a university degree makes the possession of one, among other things, an indicator of its holder's IQ. It is also an indicator of patience and willingness to work toward a long-term objective, which, together with IQ, are desirable qualities from the point of view of an employer. Nonetheless, the unintended consequence of Griggs v. Duke Power was to make universities the gatekeepers to white-collar employment.

    This impresses me as an unmitigated evil. It has at once detracted from real scholarship, transforming universities largely into vocational schools; facilitated the growth of a vast administrative bureaucracy at universities that is extraneous to the purposes of teaching and research; and led to ballooning student debt, plunging the supposed beneficiaries of "higher education" into a sort of peonage. A young person graduating with a BA and a six-figure debt cannot hope to marry, buy a house, and raise a family in the way that his parents once did. We cannot look forward with optimism to the social and economic results over the next twenty years.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    "The “IQ = success” idea doesn’t seem to be correlated consistently enough for most employers in the modern world to use it extensively."

    What Crawfordmuir said. Can't use them as a 'filter' in the US.

    "I wish white advocates would stop relying so much on IQ in such a simplistic way."

    IQ is a useful shorthand, especially for large populations. No one thinks that it says everything about an individual, or we wouldn't have the expression "nerd", or "if you're so smart, how come you ain't rich?".
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  121. I’m no expert, but IIRC the Cochran/Harpending thesis is that the restrictions imposed on Jews in medieval Europe (chiefly no land ownership, but a lot of other things) forced Jews into a few occupations, mainly financial and middleman ones.

    I hope that’s not their thesis, because that’s pretty stupid. The vast majority of the population of medieval Europe were peasants, people who worked the land without owning it, and Jews were certainly welcome to join in. The idea Jews were in general “forced out” of peasantry is about as insulting as it gets.

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  122. Jews were commonly “forced out” of being (foreign, hostile) overlords exploiting the native peasantry. Boo hoo, where’s my kleenex?

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  123. @Melendwyr
    What do you mean, 'us Aryans'? You're making rather a large assumption about the people you're speaking to.

    Perhaps you should think carefully before rushing to make a fool of yourself.

    What do you mean, ‘us Aryans’?

    It’s a reasonable assumption.

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  124. @Obsessive Contrarian
    Why does the flaneur Nissim Nicholas Taleb hate Pinker so much? His tweets about Pinker are so funny.

    Imbecile! Fucking idiot! Etc.

    Does Pinker even lift?

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    Perfect, I lolled.
    But seriously it would be interesting to secretly add Siberian virility herbs to Pinker's food. You'd have to also replace the sugar and what I assume to be gallons of soy.
    , @Obsessive Contrarian
    He lifts his hair.
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  125. @J.Ross
    I have never properly looked into it but I've lived with and around Jews my whole life, they really do produce objective geniuses, and this gets doubted because they produce so many shameless con artists, self-promoters, and brazen liars. The really bright Jews are often people you've never heard of unless you share their area of speciality. Remember that publicity is an essential component to con artistry.

    I grew up in Forest Hills, Queens, then moved out to Long Island while in junior High School. I’ve been around Jewish people all my life. I’ve met some very smart smart ones, some mediocre ones and some as dumb as stumps. One thing I know about them is their parents made sure they all at least tried to go to college, while a lot of the other White kids took civil service jobs or joined high paying construction unions. In my high school, which was maybe 30% Jewish, an Italian-American girl was the valedictorian and a Greek-American boy the salutatorian. I went to Queens College in the early 80′s, another very Jewish institution, and again their intelligence ran the gamut, just like every other ethnic group. This doesn’t change the fact that in order to say one ethnic group has a higher IQ, you have to produce a test, maybe even a series of tests, and you have to prove that the test was given to a large enough group to cover the entire group. My experience is, that people who aren’t from areas with a high Jewish population, only meet the more successful members of the group through their professions and the media, unaware of the great unwashed that make up the vast majority of every ethnic group.

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    Robert Kiyosaki was exposed as a fraud but inasmuch as the "rich dad poor dad" thing is valid as a model, Jews are among the strongest examples.
    , @Old Jew
    I very much agree.

    Jews are pretty much like everybody.

    Some are good honest and wise. Others not so much.

    Like everybody else.
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  126. @Seamus Padraig
    This is one problem I have with the HBD crowd: it seems to be a back-door way of promoting the idea of a Jewish master-race. But chew on this a while:

    If modern Ashkenazic Jews are really soooo much smarter than us Aryans, and they are really the literal descendants of the the ancient Israelites, then why was ancient Israel such a dirty, scientifically/technologically backward shithole that was so easily conquered by Greece and Rome and Persia--and, in fact, virtually every other passing invader?

    Face it: modern Ashkenazic Jews are really just white like the rest of us. They are not, for the most part, 'Semites'. They may well be said to constitute a separate ethnic group; but they are definitely not a separate race. I'm sure there are loads of people in Spain, Portugal and Sicily have a lot more Semitic blood than the Ashkenazic Jews.

    If modern Ashkenazic Jews are really soooo much smarter than us Aryans

    No, it’s smarter than *whites* which is a big tent, including even the middle east. It would be interesting to see studies singling out Aryans, or Saxons etc.

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  127. @Mr. Anon

    It’s at least partially the principle of the thing. If you think you’re getting ripped off, even on a small matter, refusing to accept it prevents people from thinking you’re an easy mark and trying to take advantage on larger things.
     
    Yes, I think there is a lot of truth to that. There's also the matter of just trying to salvage a little pride from a humiliating experience - you might call it the Damon Wayans effect (after an obscene and very funny joke he used to tell).

    What was the joke?

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  128. @J1234
    The author of the Guardian article makes some valid observations, but falls prey (in a major way) to the type of thinking that he accuses his adversaries of having. I'm not in that field, but I suspect he's somewhat accurate (realistic) about we can expect IQ to tell us about intelligence. Human intelligence is too important and developed to be adequately summed up by a single number. Can you sum up the weather with a single number? It's 72 degrees outside, but that one number can't tell you if it's dry enough to plow the field, calm enough to have a party outdoors, too calm to go sailing, or whether there's a serious storm coming. The temperature is illuminating about the weather outside, but not encapsulating.

    I wish white advocates would stop relying so much on IQ in such a simplistic way. The "IQ = success" idea doesn't seem to be correlated consistently enough for most employers in the modern world to use it extensively. Instead, they rely heavily on level of education attained, GPA, SAT scores, success at previous jobs, performance at current job, sales numbers, etc. I will say that in the absence of these better assessments, IQ could be used on an individual basis to evaluate fitness for immigration. In fact, it we should start doing that. The left would despise such a proposal and hate me for making it, but IQ isn't rendered meaningless because of it's short-comings.

    That's the problem with the author: he battles what he sees as a simplistic narrative with an equally (or more) simplistic counter-narrative, at least with regards to intelligence and IQ. His moral outrage pretty much verifies that. He thinks preceptually about the subject rather than conceptually. Despite his high level of education, it's inconceivable to him that the truth on this subject could reside somewhere between his position and the position of his opponents.

    The “IQ = success” idea doesn’t seem to be correlated consistently enough for most employers in the modern world to use it extensively. Instead, they rely heavily on level of education attained, GPA, SAT scores, success at previous jobs, performance at current job, sales numbers, etc.

    You’ll find, if you research the history of it, that many employers once used some sort of test to qualify applicants. They largely abandoned the practice after the U.S. Supreme Court 1971 ruling in Griggs v. Duke Power (402 U.S. 424) which introduced the doctrine that “adverse impact” on minorities was sufficient proof of racial discrimination, irrespective of any intent to discriminate. It is very difficult to devise a test that functions essentially to establish the taker’s IQ which does not have a disparate impact on blacks.

    While requiring (for example) that applicants for certain types of employment hold a BA or equivalent degree may also have such a disparate impact, it is easier to defend as related to a “reasonable measure of job performance.” Thus, for example, if a bank has a policy of hiring only persons with degrees in business or economics as entry-level lending officers, it could maintain that this was justified by the nature of the job more credibly than it could do with a general IQ test.

    The intelligence necessary to earn a university degree makes the possession of one, among other things, an indicator of its holder’s IQ. It is also an indicator of patience and willingness to work toward a long-term objective, which, together with IQ, are desirable qualities from the point of view of an employer. Nonetheless, the unintended consequence of Griggs v. Duke Power was to make universities the gatekeepers to white-collar employment.

    This impresses me as an unmitigated evil. It has at once detracted from real scholarship, transforming universities largely into vocational schools; facilitated the growth of a vast administrative bureaucracy at universities that is extraneous to the purposes of teaching and research; and led to ballooning student debt, plunging the supposed beneficiaries of “higher education” into a sort of peonage. A young person graduating with a BA and a six-figure debt cannot hope to marry, buy a house, and raise a family in the way that his parents once did. We cannot look forward with optimism to the social and economic results over the next twenty years.

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    if you research the history of it, that many employers once used some sort of test to qualify applicants. They largely abandoned the practice after the U.S. Supreme Court 1971 ruling in Griggs v. Duke Power (402 U.S. 424) which introduced the doctrine that “adverse impact” on minorities was sufficient proof of racial discrimination, irrespective of any intent to discriminate. It is very difficult to devise a test that functions essentially to establish the taker’s IQ which does not have a disparate impact on blacks.
     
    Some good and valid observations, but it would be wrong to presume that employers are simply using things like GPA as a surrogate assessment for what they really want to know: a job candidate's IQ. That might be true in some very specific instances, but most employers would rather have GPA (for instance) than IQ, if given a choice, because GPA would give a bigger picture of what a job candidate is capable of in most job settings. For starters, it demonstrates performance over a several year period instead of performance during a two or three hour test. And, as you said, higher intelligence is fairly well correlated to a higher GPA. So the "IQ = Success" presumption by itself is lacking, at least with regards to individuals.

    That is not to say that IQ is irrelevant. It isn't. I know that white advocacy often focuses on IQ because it's an international standard by which to compare different global populations - something that most other assessments can't do. At that point, however, many people head off into simplistic causality land. I'm still a fan of Stefan Molyneux, but he's becoming a purveyor of this somewhat simplistic world view as time goes on. He speaks great truth to racial and global differences in intelligence and ability, but his analysis needs to go much deeper than IQ.

    One has to ask, what was the IQ of pre-Columbian Aztecs and Mayans? Their ancestors just a few hundred years later don't seem to register particularly high on modern IQ tests. Yes, the Aztecs, Mayans and Incas were conquered by Europeans in short order, but that doesn't mean that they didn't demonstrate exceptional intellect in other areas. These groups of people, along with Egyptians and many other ancient Mediterranean people, also seem contrary to the notion that "cold weather makes people smarter." Need to differentiate more between varying degrees of influence and essential causality.

    , @ben tillman

    While requiring (for example) that applicants for certain types of employment hold a BA or equivalent degree may also have such a disparate impact, it is easier to defend as related to a “reasonable measure of job performance.”
     
    How so?
    , @ben tillman

    Nonetheless, the unintended consequence of Griggs v. Duke Power was to make universities the gatekeepers to white-collar employment.
     
    There's no reason to think it was unintended. In fact, the Court's acceptance of degree requirements (which as you note also have a disparate impact) strongly suggests that the result was intended. The Court (along with the civil rights bar) makes an unprincipled exception that just coincidentally causes this result?
    , @gda
    Take a look at where college admission fees and associated textbook costs have ballooned to over the last 50 years. Take a look at the nonsensical degrees in various "Studies" (Black, Womens, Aboriginal etc.) that are now being offered. Take a look at the useless Social Studies/Humanities degrees which are pure Critical Studies/Quasi-Marxist crap.

    Think of all the attempts of the educational system to deny HBD. Cost in $$ and human suffering incalculable.

    Now realize that all this is an edifice built to deny the simple fact of HBD, to protect the myth of egalitarianism (or whatever you care to call it).

    Unintended consequences? Unmitigated evil is the end result.

    Take a look at the policies followed by the Broward County Sheriff's Dept. In an effort to stop us noticing that young black men are heavily prone to criminality, they stop arresting anyone in school, allowing some crazed loner to kill 17 people, then blame it on the NRA. Extend that to all of America.

    Hard to find any area of life which has not been touched by this evil. Our whole culture is permeated by this crap.

    Glad I'm an old f**ker and can avoid dealing with most of this crazy, evil culture. But I fear for my kids and their kids.
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  129. @Rich
    I grew up in Forest Hills, Queens, then moved out to Long Island while in junior High School. I've been around Jewish people all my life. I've met some very smart smart ones, some mediocre ones and some as dumb as stumps. One thing I know about them is their parents made sure they all at least tried to go to college, while a lot of the other White kids took civil service jobs or joined high paying construction unions. In my high school, which was maybe 30% Jewish, an Italian-American girl was the valedictorian and a Greek-American boy the salutatorian. I went to Queens College in the early 80's, another very Jewish institution, and again their intelligence ran the gamut, just like every other ethnic group. This doesn't change the fact that in order to say one ethnic group has a higher IQ, you have to produce a test, maybe even a series of tests, and you have to prove that the test was given to a large enough group to cover the entire group. My experience is, that people who aren't from areas with a high Jewish population, only meet the more successful members of the group through their professions and the media, unaware of the great unwashed that make up the vast majority of every ethnic group.

    Robert Kiyosaki was exposed as a fraud but inasmuch as the “rich dad poor dad” thing is valid as a model, Jews are among the strongest examples.

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  130. @Obsessive Contrarian
    Why does the flaneur Nissim Nicholas Taleb hate Pinker so much? His tweets about Pinker are so funny.

    Imbecile! Fucking idiot! Etc.

    Taleb is a real intellectual and Pinker just released a book commamding us to embrace the traditions of a time period he was exposed to have known nothing about.
    Taleb’s whole schtick is exposing the problems with conventional wisdom and Pinker is a golem made out of conventional wisdom itself.
    Pinker is trying to propagandize for a disastrous elite; a lot of Pinker’s blind spots are the establishment’s blind spots, and explain a lot of real problems in the world today.
    That and listen to Taleb call Pinker an idiot and then listen to Pinker whine through a one-sided softball interview on BBC and then guess who has more testosterone.

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  131. @Steve Sailer
    Does Pinker even lift?

    Perfect, I lolled.
    But seriously it would be interesting to secretly add Siberian virility herbs to Pinker’s food. You’d have to also replace the sugar and what I assume to be gallons of soy.

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    Pinker is an excellent aerobic athlete. In 2002 I interviewed him on his book tour at Michael Shermer's house in Altadena above Pasadena, CA. Shermer's house is on a street on about a 30 degree slope, but Shermer and Pinker had gone for a high speed bike ride on some of the steepest streets in Southern California. I'd literally have to get off my bike and push it up Shermer's street.
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  132. @Steve Sailer
    Does Pinker even lift?

    He lifts his hair.

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  133. @J.Ross
    Perfect, I lolled.
    But seriously it would be interesting to secretly add Siberian virility herbs to Pinker's food. You'd have to also replace the sugar and what I assume to be gallons of soy.

    Pinker is an excellent aerobic athlete. In 2002 I interviewed him on his book tour at Michael Shermer’s house in Altadena above Pasadena, CA. Shermer’s house is on a street on about a 30 degree slope, but Shermer and Pinker had gone for a high speed bike ride on some of the steepest streets in Southern California. I’d literally have to get off my bike and push it up Shermer’s street.

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    He can't outrun you if you build a wall.
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  134. @Steve Sailer
    Pinker is an excellent aerobic athlete. In 2002 I interviewed him on his book tour at Michael Shermer's house in Altadena above Pasadena, CA. Shermer's house is on a street on about a 30 degree slope, but Shermer and Pinker had gone for a high speed bike ride on some of the steepest streets in Southern California. I'd literally have to get off my bike and push it up Shermer's street.

    He can’t outrun you if you build a wall.

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  135. @donut
    I would like to know what % of Ashkenazi Jews there are sitting on the committees that make the awards . And of course there is the ever present risk of being labeled a Nazi for voting the wrong way .

    I would like to know what % of Ashkenazi Jews there are sitting on the committees that make the awards . And of course there is the ever present risk of being labeled a Nazi for voting the wrong way .

    If you have studied physics long enough, you realize that those Nobel Prizes were earned. Also, there are Ashkenazi Jews (e.g. Vera Rubin) who deserved the award but were ignored by the committees.

    A strange kind of cognitive dissonance exists in people who can accept the fact of Jewish overachievement in science, technology, and business; but who insist that (the less spectacular) white gentile overachievement can only be the result of their oppression of underachieving minorities. Paradoxically, this view is often expressed by Ashkenazi Jews! If Jewish achievements in politics and the media were as significant and as beneficial as those in other fields of endeavor, the world would be a better place.

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  136. @anon

    “Gavin Evans lectures first year and post-graduate students in journalism at Birkbeck, and over the past decade has also lectured at Birkbeck in critical thinking, media law, online journalism and aspects of media theory. He also supervises MA dissertations at Cardiff University, where he lectures in research methodology, and he is a senior lecturer at the London School of Journalism.”
     
    You make fun of his scientific credentials, but be fair. You don't know how many episodes of Bill Nye he's seen. Or Neil Degrasse Tyson.

    Birkbeck has a nice rooftop bar. That adds a lot to this guy’s credentials. Is not easy getting a job at a school that’s located in one of the nicest areas of London AND has a rooftop bar.
    (Birkbeck is an autonomous school within U of London, not an university)

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    I lived on the top floor of the tallest building on the Rice U. campus. A couple of Saturday nights, drunk people would knock on my door and ask if this was the rooftop bar?

    It seemed like a good idea, actually.

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  137. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Good grief. Can we put to bed the half German kids born to American black soldiers. Sorry, but are you that dense.

    At the time (and currently) the military test applicants to make sure that they have an IQ above 85 - the black average. That's the bottom! So the worst blacks allowed into the military are average intelligence for the overall black population. Presumably, the average black allowed into the military would be far higher than the worst black, so let's say around 100 IQ. In addition, the blacks sent over to Germany might be a tad higher than the average black in the military, so let's say ~105 IQ.

    Wow, how shocking that kids of ~100 IQ German women and ~105 American black military men were fairly close to 100 IQ and thus far higher than your average African American in terms of intelligence.

    In addition, because the military requires discipline, organization and the ability to follow orders (all heritable traits), it's not surprising that those children were far superior in those traits than your average African American.

    So, no, it's not nuture, as you would hope to believe. It's nature - as it always is.

    Sure, would blacks do better without the Gangsta culture? Of course. But forcing a more European or Asian culture (Mr. Chieh) wouldn't only temper their natural instincts. In addition, they would revert to their natural instincts once their overlords stepped away.

    Blacks raise their kids the way that feels natural to them. Trying to stop that is a bit like holding a chair over your head. You can do it for awhile, but sooner or later, gravity wins.

    “In addition, because the military requires discipline, organization and the ability to follow orders (all heritable traits)…”

    No. A person who is disciplined, or organized, or follows directions, MAY have a predisposition to , act in that manner, but there is are also environmental considerations to take into account.

    “So, no, it’s not nuture, as you would hope to believe. It’s nature – as it always is.”

    Nature and nurture.

    “But forcing a more European or Asian culture (Mr. Chieh) wouldn’t only temper their natural instincts. In addition, they would revert to their natural instincts once their overlords stepped away.”

    Of course, you have the audacity to refuse to consider the “natural instincts” of European whites–the invasion and inviting of the world. Clearly, their inborn greed and violence is unmatched, as evident by their imperialist endeavors. The European menfolk certainly enjoyed jackbooting small children and planting their seed in “inferior” women of color, two actions that mark their proclivities for bloodlust. Global conquerers aside, let us not forget those white Europeans who pushed forward the most heinous of agendas–Progressivism.

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    Of course, you have the audacity to refuse to consider the “natural instincts” of European whites–the invasion and inviting of the world. Clearly, their inborn greed and violence is unmatched, as evident by their imperialist endeavors. The European menfolk certainly enjoyed jackbooting small children and planting their seed in “inferior” women of color, two actions that mark their proclivities for bloodlust. Global conquerers aside, let us not forget those white Europeans who pushed forward the most heinous of agendas–Progressivism.
     
    Europeans were really no more brutal than other conquerors in history.

    But you know, a reasonable case could indeed be made for an European genetic proclivity for evangelical activity and virtuous ideas, which fully justified imperialism and civilizing the world to save souls under God. That same evangelical tendency could be said to be leading to self-destruction under progressivism.

    Sometimes you kill others, sometimes you kill yourself; its all quite understandable to be on the righteous side of history.

    At any rate, the idea that there isn't any genetic component to personality is really dumb and involves denying the existence of personality similiarities in identical twins and other madness.
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  138. @Pseudonymic Handle
    Birkbeck has a nice rooftop bar. That adds a lot to this guy's credentials. Is not easy getting a job at a school that's located in one of the nicest areas of London AND has a rooftop bar.
    (Birkbeck is an autonomous school within U of London, not an university)

    I lived on the top floor of the tallest building on the Rice U. campus. A couple of Saturday nights, drunk people would knock on my door and ask if this was the rooftop bar?

    It seemed like a good idea, actually.

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    I heard from someone who was at McGill University in Quebec in the early seventies that the Calgary Stampede girls showed up and set up a bar inside the dorm elevator.
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  139. @Crawfurdmuir

    The “IQ = success” idea doesn’t seem to be correlated consistently enough for most employers in the modern world to use it extensively. Instead, they rely heavily on level of education attained, GPA, SAT scores, success at previous jobs, performance at current job, sales numbers, etc.
     
    You'll find, if you research the history of it, that many employers once used some sort of test to qualify applicants. They largely abandoned the practice after the U.S. Supreme Court 1971 ruling in Griggs v. Duke Power (402 U.S. 424) which introduced the doctrine that "adverse impact" on minorities was sufficient proof of racial discrimination, irrespective of any intent to discriminate. It is very difficult to devise a test that functions essentially to establish the taker's IQ which does not have a disparate impact on blacks.

    While requiring (for example) that applicants for certain types of employment hold a BA or equivalent degree may also have such a disparate impact, it is easier to defend as related to a "reasonable measure of job performance." Thus, for example, if a bank has a policy of hiring only persons with degrees in business or economics as entry-level lending officers, it could maintain that this was justified by the nature of the job more credibly than it could do with a general IQ test.

    The intelligence necessary to earn a university degree makes the possession of one, among other things, an indicator of its holder's IQ. It is also an indicator of patience and willingness to work toward a long-term objective, which, together with IQ, are desirable qualities from the point of view of an employer. Nonetheless, the unintended consequence of Griggs v. Duke Power was to make universities the gatekeepers to white-collar employment.

    This impresses me as an unmitigated evil. It has at once detracted from real scholarship, transforming universities largely into vocational schools; facilitated the growth of a vast administrative bureaucracy at universities that is extraneous to the purposes of teaching and research; and led to ballooning student debt, plunging the supposed beneficiaries of "higher education" into a sort of peonage. A young person graduating with a BA and a six-figure debt cannot hope to marry, buy a house, and raise a family in the way that his parents once did. We cannot look forward with optimism to the social and economic results over the next twenty years.

    if you research the history of it, that many employers once used some sort of test to qualify applicants. They largely abandoned the practice after the U.S. Supreme Court 1971 ruling in Griggs v. Duke Power (402 U.S. 424) which introduced the doctrine that “adverse impact” on minorities was sufficient proof of racial discrimination, irrespective of any intent to discriminate. It is very difficult to devise a test that functions essentially to establish the taker’s IQ which does not have a disparate impact on blacks.

    Some good and valid observations, but it would be wrong to presume that employers are simply using things like GPA as a surrogate assessment for what they really want to know: a job candidate’s IQ. That might be true in some very specific instances, but most employers would rather have GPA (for instance) than IQ, if given a choice, because GPA would give a bigger picture of what a job candidate is capable of in most job settings. For starters, it demonstrates performance over a several year period instead of performance during a two or three hour test. And, as you said, higher intelligence is fairly well correlated to a higher GPA. So the “IQ = Success” presumption by itself is lacking, at least with regards to individuals.

    That is not to say that IQ is irrelevant. It isn’t. I know that white advocacy often focuses on IQ because it’s an international standard by which to compare different global populations – something that most other assessments can’t do. At that point, however, many people head off into simplistic causality land. I’m still a fan of Stefan Molyneux, but he’s becoming a purveyor of this somewhat simplistic world view as time goes on. He speaks great truth to racial and global differences in intelligence and ability, but his analysis needs to go much deeper than IQ.

    One has to ask, what was the IQ of pre-Columbian Aztecs and Mayans? Their ancestors just a few hundred years later don’t seem to register particularly high on modern IQ tests. Yes, the Aztecs, Mayans and Incas were conquered by Europeans in short order, but that doesn’t mean that they didn’t demonstrate exceptional intellect in other areas. These groups of people, along with Egyptians and many other ancient Mediterranean people, also seem contrary to the notion that “cold weather makes people smarter.” Need to differentiate more between varying degrees of influence and essential causality.

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    Some good and valid observations, but it would be wrong to presume that employers are simply using things like GPA as a surrogate assessment for what they really want to know: a job candidate’s IQ
     
    In my experience as an employer, very few entry-level employees have learnt adequate practical work skills through schooling, of whatever type. The employer teaches them what they need to know on the job. So, from my point of view, the requirement of a college education for certain classes of employment is simply a way of narrowing the field of job candidates to a group more likely to have the necessary ability to learn those skills. In many cases, a test would do just as well to determine that.

    Of course IQ indicates intellectual capacity, while GPA and the achievement of a degree indicate the capacity to work toward a long-term goal - both valuable qualities. Nonetheless, making a 4-year degree the ticket for admittance to white-collar employment is, at the very least, a highly inefficient and needlessly costly method of qualifying prospective employees. Moreover it has had numerous baleful social, political, and economic effects.
    , @gda
    "...Aztecs, Mayans and Incas were conquered by Europeans in short order"

    Actually, Aztecs, Mayans and Incas were conquered not so much by Europeans as by European DISEASES. Their IQ had squat to do with it.
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  140. @MEH 0910
    Gavin Evans writing in The Guardian back in 2003:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/nov/14/race.highereducation


    But the most significant fallacy within this kind of pseudo-science goes to the heart of our current knowledge about human evolution. It is now beyond serious dispute that we all emerged from Africa, and that in scientific terms the concept of race is of little significance. The Harvard geneticist Dr Richard Lewontin, for example, stresses that individuals rather than races are the repositories of genetic variability, and that racial classifications are products of society rather than biology. For instance, relatively settled African populations in central Africa have far greater genetic diversity than anywhere else on the planet. We may choose to identify them by their common skin colour and hair type, but in genetic terms these individuals may have more in common with, say, white Anglo Saxons.
     

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  141. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “I was intensely involved in anti-apartheid activities in the 1980s, both semi-legally and in the underground. Along the way I completed degrees in economic history, “

    I was in that millieu in Joburg through most of the 80s and don’t recognise the name or face. Perhaps he was deep underground.

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  142. @Corvinus
    "In addition, because the military requires discipline, organization and the ability to follow orders (all heritable traits)..."

    No. A person who is disciplined, or organized, or follows directions, MAY have a predisposition to , act in that manner, but there is are also environmental considerations to take into account.

    "So, no, it’s not nuture, as you would hope to believe. It’s nature – as it always is."

    Nature and nurture.

    "But forcing a more European or Asian culture (Mr. Chieh) wouldn’t only temper their natural instincts. In addition, they would revert to their natural instincts once their overlords stepped away."

    Of course, you have the audacity to refuse to consider the "natural instincts" of European whites--the invasion and inviting of the world. Clearly, their inborn greed and violence is unmatched, as evident by their imperialist endeavors. The European menfolk certainly enjoyed jackbooting small children and planting their seed in "inferior" women of color, two actions that mark their proclivities for bloodlust. Global conquerers aside, let us not forget those white Europeans who pushed forward the most heinous of agendas--Progressivism.

    Of course, you have the audacity to refuse to consider the “natural instincts” of European whites–the invasion and inviting of the world. Clearly, their inborn greed and violence is unmatched, as evident by their imperialist endeavors. The European menfolk certainly enjoyed jackbooting small children and planting their seed in “inferior” women of color, two actions that mark their proclivities for bloodlust. Global conquerers aside, let us not forget those white Europeans who pushed forward the most heinous of agendas–Progressivism.

    Europeans were really no more brutal than other conquerors in history.

    But you know, a reasonable case could indeed be made for an European genetic proclivity for evangelical activity and virtuous ideas, which fully justified imperialism and civilizing the world to save souls under God. That same evangelical tendency could be said to be leading to self-destruction under progressivism.

    Sometimes you kill others, sometimes you kill yourself; its all quite understandable to be on the righteous side of history.

    At any rate, the idea that there isn’t any genetic component to personality is really dumb and involves denying the existence of personality similiarities in identical twins and other madness.

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    "Europeans were really no more brutal than other conquerors in history."

    Or really no more innovative than other groups of people in history, if one desires to be consistent.
    But if you look at the past 500 years, one could reasonably argue that for all of the benefits of white European progress, the destruction left in their wake

    "But you know, a reasonable case could indeed be made for an European genetic proclivity for evangelical activity and virtuous ideas, which fully justified imperialism and civilizing the world to save souls under God."

    As could a reasonable case could indeed be made for an European genetic proclivity for religious compulsion by way of might makes right.

    "That same evangelical tendency could be said to be leading to self-destruction under progressivism."

    Greatly improving political, economic, and social conditions for tens of millions of white people in particular because of greedy industrialists and shady politicians is hardly leading to self-destruction.

    "At any rate, the idea that there isn’t any genetic component to personality is really dumb and involves denying the existence of personality similiarities in identical twins and other madness."

    Strawman much? I never directly stated nor implied your statement. Personality is both genetic and environment.

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  143. @Steve Sailer
    I lived on the top floor of the tallest building on the Rice U. campus. A couple of Saturday nights, drunk people would knock on my door and ask if this was the rooftop bar?

    It seemed like a good idea, actually.

    I heard from someone who was at McGill University in Quebec in the early seventies that the Calgary Stampede girls showed up and set up a bar inside the dorm elevator.

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  144. @J1234
    The author of the Guardian article makes some valid observations, but falls prey (in a major way) to the type of thinking that he accuses his adversaries of having. I'm not in that field, but I suspect he's somewhat accurate (realistic) about we can expect IQ to tell us about intelligence. Human intelligence is too important and developed to be adequately summed up by a single number. Can you sum up the weather with a single number? It's 72 degrees outside, but that one number can't tell you if it's dry enough to plow the field, calm enough to have a party outdoors, too calm to go sailing, or whether there's a serious storm coming. The temperature is illuminating about the weather outside, but not encapsulating.

    I wish white advocates would stop relying so much on IQ in such a simplistic way. The "IQ = success" idea doesn't seem to be correlated consistently enough for most employers in the modern world to use it extensively. Instead, they rely heavily on level of education attained, GPA, SAT scores, success at previous jobs, performance at current job, sales numbers, etc. I will say that in the absence of these better assessments, IQ could be used on an individual basis to evaluate fitness for immigration. In fact, it we should start doing that. The left would despise such a proposal and hate me for making it, but IQ isn't rendered meaningless because of it's short-comings.

    That's the problem with the author: he battles what he sees as a simplistic narrative with an equally (or more) simplistic counter-narrative, at least with regards to intelligence and IQ. His moral outrage pretty much verifies that. He thinks preceptually about the subject rather than conceptually. Despite his high level of education, it's inconceivable to him that the truth on this subject could reside somewhere between his position and the position of his opponents.

    “The “IQ = success” idea doesn’t seem to be correlated consistently enough for most employers in the modern world to use it extensively.”

    What Crawfordmuir said. Can’t use them as a ‘filter’ in the US.

    “I wish white advocates would stop relying so much on IQ in such a simplistic way.”

    IQ is a useful shorthand, especially for large populations. No one thinks that it says everything about an individual, or we wouldn’t have the expression “nerd”, or “if you’re so smart, how come you ain’t rich?“.

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  145. @John Lilbune
    Here is a discussion on race and IQ by mr Evans

    https://africacheck.org/2015/03/12/analysis-black-brain-white-brain-the-new-wave-of-racist-science/

    As can be often seen in the discussion Mr Evans (whose mother is Jewish and originates in South Africa and has escaped to the UK) won't listen where he doesnt want to hear

    whose mother is Jewish

    Source?

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    I don't know about Evans's mother but his father was Jewish. Source: Gavin Evans.

    http://tonykaron.com/2009/12/26/how-i-overcame-my-jewish-evangelical-upbringing-and-learned-to-love-christmas-anyway/

    Add to this the fact that my father, who went on to become an Anglican Bishop, was Jewish, and believed he was part of the God’s chosen people and that the creation of the state of Israel was the fulfilment of Biblical philosophy, and you might get the sense of why our upbringing was not entirely normal.
     
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  146. @candid_observer
    The article is just a very dated rehash of every cherry picked study and quote from the last 60 years.

    Evans obviously doesn't even understand the latest results regarding polygenic scores for cognitive ability. He can only "refute" now obsolete studies which didn't hold up.

    The man is a dreadful hack.

    But one thing this whole issue does bring up in my own mind is a possible study that, some years back, had been proposed, according to Charles Murray. Murray had mentioned that some potential sponsor had proposed that a study be conducted that might decide the issue of whether blacks and whites in the US differed in IQ primarily due to genes.

    The proposed study would take a large number of blacks in the US, and correlate their degree of white ancestry with IQ. That correlation should go a good distance to determine how much the difference between blacks and whites in IQ is based on genes. Obviously, all kinds of other controls, such as for skin color, could be introduced.

    I wonder if the incidental result of the collection of massive amounts of genomic data on people in the US won't be to allow such a study to be easily conducted. We will be able to determine the amount of white ancestry, and correlate it with cognitive ability. We could presumably also track skin color due to genes, and some other variables we might wish to control for.

    I wonder how far off we might be from actually conducting such a study.

    Murray noted that, when this study was originally proposed, the idea was that both sides of the debate would participate, so that it would be a fair study. In response to the proposal, hereditarians like Jensen and Rushton were eager to see the study go forward. But environmentalists refused to get on board.

    I can't, of course, imagine why the environmentalists were so reluctant. By their own assertions, not only were they right, but they were so obviously right that their opponents deserved to be denounced for conducting racist pseudo-science. How odd that the study that would finally prove them 100% right was something they refused to back.

    But, again, I wonder if this study won't soon be conducted in the natural course of today's science.

    The proposed study would take a large number of blacks in the US, and correlate their degree of white ancestry with IQ. That correlation should go a good distance to determine how much the difference between blacks and whites in IQ is based on genes. Obviously, all kinds of other controls, such as for skin color, could be introduced….
    But, again, I wonder if this study won’t soon be conducted in the natural course of today’s science.

    Well, exactly. Emil Kirkegaard wrote somewhere that you can infer with some confidence the result of such a study merely from the fact that it hasn’t been done (or published).

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  147. @J1234

    if you research the history of it, that many employers once used some sort of test to qualify applicants. They largely abandoned the practice after the U.S. Supreme Court 1971 ruling in Griggs v. Duke Power (402 U.S. 424) which introduced the doctrine that “adverse impact” on minorities was sufficient proof of racial discrimination, irrespective of any intent to discriminate. It is very difficult to devise a test that functions essentially to establish the taker’s IQ which does not have a disparate impact on blacks.
     
    Some good and valid observations, but it would be wrong to presume that employers are simply using things like GPA as a surrogate assessment for what they really want to know: a job candidate's IQ. That might be true in some very specific instances, but most employers would rather have GPA (for instance) than IQ, if given a choice, because GPA would give a bigger picture of what a job candidate is capable of in most job settings. For starters, it demonstrates performance over a several year period instead of performance during a two or three hour test. And, as you said, higher intelligence is fairly well correlated to a higher GPA. So the "IQ = Success" presumption by itself is lacking, at least with regards to individuals.

    That is not to say that IQ is irrelevant. It isn't. I know that white advocacy often focuses on IQ because it's an international standard by which to compare different global populations - something that most other assessments can't do. At that point, however, many people head off into simplistic causality land. I'm still a fan of Stefan Molyneux, but he's becoming a purveyor of this somewhat simplistic world view as time goes on. He speaks great truth to racial and global differences in intelligence and ability, but his analysis needs to go much deeper than IQ.

    One has to ask, what was the IQ of pre-Columbian Aztecs and Mayans? Their ancestors just a few hundred years later don't seem to register particularly high on modern IQ tests. Yes, the Aztecs, Mayans and Incas were conquered by Europeans in short order, but that doesn't mean that they didn't demonstrate exceptional intellect in other areas. These groups of people, along with Egyptians and many other ancient Mediterranean people, also seem contrary to the notion that "cold weather makes people smarter." Need to differentiate more between varying degrees of influence and essential causality.

    Some good and valid observations, but it would be wrong to presume that employers are simply using things like GPA as a surrogate assessment for what they really want to know: a job candidate’s IQ

    In my experience as an employer, very few entry-level employees have learnt adequate practical work skills through schooling, of whatever type. The employer teaches them what they need to know on the job. So, from my point of view, the requirement of a college education for certain classes of employment is simply a way of narrowing the field of job candidates to a group more likely to have the necessary ability to learn those skills. In many cases, a test would do just as well to determine that.

    Of course IQ indicates intellectual capacity, while GPA and the achievement of a degree indicate the capacity to work toward a long-term goal – both valuable qualities. Nonetheless, making a 4-year degree the ticket for admittance to white-collar employment is, at the very least, a highly inefficient and needlessly costly method of qualifying prospective employees. Moreover it has had numerous baleful social, political, and economic effects.

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  148. @Rich
    I grew up in Forest Hills, Queens, then moved out to Long Island while in junior High School. I've been around Jewish people all my life. I've met some very smart smart ones, some mediocre ones and some as dumb as stumps. One thing I know about them is their parents made sure they all at least tried to go to college, while a lot of the other White kids took civil service jobs or joined high paying construction unions. In my high school, which was maybe 30% Jewish, an Italian-American girl was the valedictorian and a Greek-American boy the salutatorian. I went to Queens College in the early 80's, another very Jewish institution, and again their intelligence ran the gamut, just like every other ethnic group. This doesn't change the fact that in order to say one ethnic group has a higher IQ, you have to produce a test, maybe even a series of tests, and you have to prove that the test was given to a large enough group to cover the entire group. My experience is, that people who aren't from areas with a high Jewish population, only meet the more successful members of the group through their professions and the media, unaware of the great unwashed that make up the vast majority of every ethnic group.

    I very much agree.

    Jews are pretty much like everybody.

    Some are good honest and wise. Others not so much.

    Like everybody else.

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  149. @Crawfurdmuir

    The “IQ = success” idea doesn’t seem to be correlated consistently enough for most employers in the modern world to use it extensively. Instead, they rely heavily on level of education attained, GPA, SAT scores, success at previous jobs, performance at current job, sales numbers, etc.
     
    You'll find, if you research the history of it, that many employers once used some sort of test to qualify applicants. They largely abandoned the practice after the U.S. Supreme Court 1971 ruling in Griggs v. Duke Power (402 U.S. 424) which introduced the doctrine that "adverse impact" on minorities was sufficient proof of racial discrimination, irrespective of any intent to discriminate. It is very difficult to devise a test that functions essentially to establish the taker's IQ which does not have a disparate impact on blacks.

    While requiring (for example) that applicants for certain types of employment hold a BA or equivalent degree may also have such a disparate impact, it is easier to defend as related to a "reasonable measure of job performance." Thus, for example, if a bank has a policy of hiring only persons with degrees in business or economics as entry-level lending officers, it could maintain that this was justified by the nature of the job more credibly than it could do with a general IQ test.

    The intelligence necessary to earn a university degree makes the possession of one, among other things, an indicator of its holder's IQ. It is also an indicator of patience and willingness to work toward a long-term objective, which, together with IQ, are desirable qualities from the point of view of an employer. Nonetheless, the unintended consequence of Griggs v. Duke Power was to make universities the gatekeepers to white-collar employment.

    This impresses me as an unmitigated evil. It has at once detracted from real scholarship, transforming universities largely into vocational schools; facilitated the growth of a vast administrative bureaucracy at universities that is extraneous to the purposes of teaching and research; and led to ballooning student debt, plunging the supposed beneficiaries of "higher education" into a sort of peonage. A young person graduating with a BA and a six-figure debt cannot hope to marry, buy a house, and raise a family in the way that his parents once did. We cannot look forward with optimism to the social and economic results over the next twenty years.

    While requiring (for example) that applicants for certain types of employment hold a BA or equivalent degree may also have such a disparate impact, it is easier to defend as related to a “reasonable measure of job performance.”

    How so?

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    See the legal precedent on this point. In practice employers have been able to defend a college-degree requirement more successfully as a "reasonable measure of job performance" against disparate-impact claims than they have been able to defend the use of test scores.
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  150. @DFH

    whose mother is Jewish
     
    Source?

    I don’t know about Evans’s mother but his father was Jewish. Source: Gavin Evans.

    http://tonykaron.com/2009/12/26/how-i-overcame-my-jewish-evangelical-upbringing-and-learned-to-love-christmas-anyway/

    Add to this the fact that my father, who went on to become an Anglican Bishop, was Jewish, and believed he was part of the God’s chosen people and that the creation of the state of Israel was the fulfilment of Biblical philosophy, and you might get the sense of why our upbringing was not entirely normal.

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    Ta
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  151. @YetAnotherAnon
    From his comments to the blogpost

    "His argument that Ashkenazi Jews are innately more intelligent than anyone else is no different in principle from those of his calling who argue that Ethiopians or Bushmen or blacks more generally are innately more stupid than anyone else. "

    He has certainly put his finger on the problem - "if Group A is more intelligent on average, then maybe Group E is less intelligent on average - and that's what racists say, so it can't be true!"

    Here, also in the comments to the article, is his credo. He seems to have read (shock horror) Rose, Kamin and Lewontin, though none of their critics, and to have swallowed it whole as he did Das Kapital twenty years before.


    "I have five fundamental objections to the premises, and therefore the conclusions, of evolutionary psychology:

    First, it is based on a deeply flawed understanding of evolutionary biology. It assumes that every aspect of human behaviour is a direct consequence of natural selection. Instead, I would share the view held by Craig Venter (of the human genome decoding), and biologists like Steven Rose, Richard Lewontin and many others, that the nature of human intelligence allows for a huge amount of flexibility in human behaviour. Even some animals (great apes, dolphins) have culture in the sense that different pods of groups learn different behaviour, but with human beings, ultimately because of the size of our brains, the abillity to imagine, to create, to emphathise, and so on, means this variation is far greater. Steven Jay Gould referred to evolutionary ‘spandrels’ in this respect – unintended consequences if you like. One example he cited was reading and writing which emerged about 10 000 years ago, long after our brains had reached their current intellectual capacity in the physical sense. I would suggest that a great deal of what the evolutionary psychologists regard as specifically evolved behaviour falls in this category. This is not to reject the idea of human nature, but rather to have a far more flexible idea of what this nature really is. As Tolstoy put we can all be kind, cruel, wise, sympathetic, apathetic…. and so on. The more I read about anthropology, the more I am struck not by how similar we all are below the surface, but at how different we are when raised in different cultural conditions.

    Second, it is based on flawed logic. The typical evolutionary psychology approach to ‘research’ goes something like this: find some aspect of human behaviour you think is biologically innate (say, men choosing younger women as their wives); do some research among a small group of students which shows a majority think or act this way (thereby supposedly proving it is innate); suck out of the thumb some supposed evolutionary reason why this behaviour might have evolved through natural selection (always going back to the pleistocene age, about which we have no information about actual human behaviour) and then put it all together in a paper released to the press, who, invariably will lap it up without question. This is no exaggeration. I have looked at the research of Pinker, Buss and various others, and this is precisely what it amounts to. In every case, without any effort, I could think of several possible independent variables unrelated to evolution which could have prompted the same research conclusions, thereby invalidating their conclusions.

    Third, it is based on a discredited notion of IQ. A great deal of their conclusions (whether Pinker on Ashkenazi intelligence, or Pinker on why men are supposedly better at maths than women) are premised on the view that IQ measures innate general intelligence. Anyone who has read Flynn’s writing (on what is now known as the Flynn effect) will know that this is simply nonsense. What IQ measures is the ability to perform IQ tests, which might also be a useful indicator of ability to perform certain other kinds of academic work. What it palpably does not, and cannot, measure is innate general intelligence (if such a thing can be said to exist). As Flynn and others have shown the average IQ a century ago, if measured by today’s standards, would be something like 60. IQ tests have to have an average of 100, which is why they get progressively more difficult. The reason why average IQ has increased obviously has nothing to do with an increase in innate intelligence over the past century (it is unlikely that innate intelligence has increased over the past 70 000 years, and perhaps far longer). Flynn explains the increase in terms of exposure not just to books and exposure to testing more generally, but in terms of exposure from a very young age to abstract logic. So the fact that some groups might have higher average IQs than others says absolutely nothing about their innate intelligence.

    Fourth, evolutionary psychology appears to operate in blissful ignorance of many of the advances in biology. I have already mentioned the human genome project (which found less than one third of the number of genes anticipated, leaving Venter and others to conclude that a great deal of what they assumed was genetic, is, in fact, culurual). Also significant are the recent discoveries relatiing to epi-genetic inheritance. This, for example, renders suspect all of the conclusions drawn from studies of separated identical twins (because it is possible that similarities in behaviour could be epigentic rather than genetic).

    Fifth, many of the pet conclusions of evolotionary psychology are being devestated by larger scale metal analysis of behavioural studies. For example, the view that women are more verbal than men is simply wrong (we use approximately the same number of words per day), as is the view that women ‘multi-task’ better than men. And academic results at elite level of girls in the sciences and mathematics (in Britain, for example, in every one of the scientific subject they outstrip boys) renders suspect Pinker’s conclusions about innate differences in this respect. Of the more controversial EP concusions – that men are programmed to rape, men are programmed to seek out younger women, men are programmed to reject their stepchildren, and so on, the huge cultural variations relating to the position of women in society, illustrate just how facile their methods are. For example, the greater the level of equality between males and females, the less the age difference between partners.

    I could go on and on, but basically I would say I place evolutionary psychology on the same plain as, say, Jungian psychology or homeopathy: pure nonsense posing as science."
     

    I could go on and on, …

    Note this is an ancient trick used by Marxists to hint at lots of arguments that they supposedly could raise, but never do.

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  152. @Crawfurdmuir

    The “IQ = success” idea doesn’t seem to be correlated consistently enough for most employers in the modern world to use it extensively. Instead, they rely heavily on level of education attained, GPA, SAT scores, success at previous jobs, performance at current job, sales numbers, etc.
     
    You'll find, if you research the history of it, that many employers once used some sort of test to qualify applicants. They largely abandoned the practice after the U.S. Supreme Court 1971 ruling in Griggs v. Duke Power (402 U.S. 424) which introduced the doctrine that "adverse impact" on minorities was sufficient proof of racial discrimination, irrespective of any intent to discriminate. It is very difficult to devise a test that functions essentially to establish the taker's IQ which does not have a disparate impact on blacks.

    While requiring (for example) that applicants for certain types of employment hold a BA or equivalent degree may also have such a disparate impact, it is easier to defend as related to a "reasonable measure of job performance." Thus, for example, if a bank has a policy of hiring only persons with degrees in business or economics as entry-level lending officers, it could maintain that this was justified by the nature of the job more credibly than it could do with a general IQ test.

    The intelligence necessary to earn a university degree makes the possession of one, among other things, an indicator of its holder's IQ. It is also an indicator of patience and willingness to work toward a long-term objective, which, together with IQ, are desirable qualities from the point of view of an employer. Nonetheless, the unintended consequence of Griggs v. Duke Power was to make universities the gatekeepers to white-collar employment.

    This impresses me as an unmitigated evil. It has at once detracted from real scholarship, transforming universities largely into vocational schools; facilitated the growth of a vast administrative bureaucracy at universities that is extraneous to the purposes of teaching and research; and led to ballooning student debt, plunging the supposed beneficiaries of "higher education" into a sort of peonage. A young person graduating with a BA and a six-figure debt cannot hope to marry, buy a house, and raise a family in the way that his parents once did. We cannot look forward with optimism to the social and economic results over the next twenty years.

    Nonetheless, the unintended consequence of Griggs v. Duke Power was to make universities the gatekeepers to white-collar employment.

    There’s no reason to think it was unintended. In fact, the Court’s acceptance of degree requirements (which as you note also have a disparate impact) strongly suggests that the result was intended. The Court (along with the civil rights bar) makes an unprincipled exception that just coincidentally causes this result?

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    There’s no reason to think it was unintended.
     
    You assume greater capacity on the part of the Court for calculated malice than I do. Malice it had aplenty, but not, I think, the ability to calculate correctly what the outcome of its decision would be. That would be to attribute greater intelligence to the decision than that with which I am willing to credit it.
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  153. @Crawfurdmuir

    The “IQ = success” idea doesn’t seem to be correlated consistently enough for most employers in the modern world to use it extensively. Instead, they rely heavily on level of education attained, GPA, SAT scores, success at previous jobs, performance at current job, sales numbers, etc.
     
    You'll find, if you research the history of it, that many employers once used some sort of test to qualify applicants. They largely abandoned the practice after the U.S. Supreme Court 1971 ruling in Griggs v. Duke Power (402 U.S. 424) which introduced the doctrine that "adverse impact" on minorities was sufficient proof of racial discrimination, irrespective of any intent to discriminate. It is very difficult to devise a test that functions essentially to establish the taker's IQ which does not have a disparate impact on blacks.

    While requiring (for example) that applicants for certain types of employment hold a BA or equivalent degree may also have such a disparate impact, it is easier to defend as related to a "reasonable measure of job performance." Thus, for example, if a bank has a policy of hiring only persons with degrees in business or economics as entry-level lending officers, it could maintain that this was justified by the nature of the job more credibly than it could do with a general IQ test.

    The intelligence necessary to earn a university degree makes the possession of one, among other things, an indicator of its holder's IQ. It is also an indicator of patience and willingness to work toward a long-term objective, which, together with IQ, are desirable qualities from the point of view of an employer. Nonetheless, the unintended consequence of Griggs v. Duke Power was to make universities the gatekeepers to white-collar employment.

    This impresses me as an unmitigated evil. It has at once detracted from real scholarship, transforming universities largely into vocational schools; facilitated the growth of a vast administrative bureaucracy at universities that is extraneous to the purposes of teaching and research; and led to ballooning student debt, plunging the supposed beneficiaries of "higher education" into a sort of peonage. A young person graduating with a BA and a six-figure debt cannot hope to marry, buy a house, and raise a family in the way that his parents once did. We cannot look forward with optimism to the social and economic results over the next twenty years.

    Take a look at where college admission fees and associated textbook costs have ballooned to over the last 50 years. Take a look at the nonsensical degrees in various “Studies” (Black, Womens, Aboriginal etc.) that are now being offered. Take a look at the useless Social Studies/Humanities degrees which are pure Critical Studies/Quasi-Marxist crap.

    Think of all the attempts of the educational system to deny HBD. Cost in $$ and human suffering incalculable.

    Now realize that all this is an edifice built to deny the simple fact of HBD, to protect the myth of egalitarianism (or whatever you care to call it).

    Unintended consequences? Unmitigated evil is the end result.

    Take a look at the policies followed by the Broward County Sheriff’s Dept. In an effort to stop us noticing that young black men are heavily prone to criminality, they stop arresting anyone in school, allowing some crazed loner to kill 17 people, then blame it on the NRA. Extend that to all of America.

    Hard to find any area of life which has not been touched by this evil. Our whole culture is permeated by this crap.

    Glad I’m an old f**ker and can avoid dealing with most of this crazy, evil culture. But I fear for my kids and their kids.

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    ""Think of all the attempts of the educational system to deny HBD. Cost in $$ and human suffering incalculable." (Emphasis mine.)

    "Unmitigated evil is the end result."

    Yep, gda, agree 100%. I've commented here aplenty about the corruption of thought, word, and deed attending to affirmative action and the hornet's nest of related ideas. Human suffering is right. I know one deeply embittered guy who claims to have published more than all his department colleagues combined. He's been spinning his wheels for more than a decade without the hope of anything more than year-to-year employment, and he blames affirmative action directly.
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  154. @J1234

    if you research the history of it, that many employers once used some sort of test to qualify applicants. They largely abandoned the practice after the U.S. Supreme Court 1971 ruling in Griggs v. Duke Power (402 U.S. 424) which introduced the doctrine that “adverse impact” on minorities was sufficient proof of racial discrimination, irrespective of any intent to discriminate. It is very difficult to devise a test that functions essentially to establish the taker’s IQ which does not have a disparate impact on blacks.
     
    Some good and valid observations, but it would be wrong to presume that employers are simply using things like GPA as a surrogate assessment for what they really want to know: a job candidate's IQ. That might be true in some very specific instances, but most employers would rather have GPA (for instance) than IQ, if given a choice, because GPA would give a bigger picture of what a job candidate is capable of in most job settings. For starters, it demonstrates performance over a several year period instead of performance during a two or three hour test. And, as you said, higher intelligence is fairly well correlated to a higher GPA. So the "IQ = Success" presumption by itself is lacking, at least with regards to individuals.

    That is not to say that IQ is irrelevant. It isn't. I know that white advocacy often focuses on IQ because it's an international standard by which to compare different global populations - something that most other assessments can't do. At that point, however, many people head off into simplistic causality land. I'm still a fan of Stefan Molyneux, but he's becoming a purveyor of this somewhat simplistic world view as time goes on. He speaks great truth to racial and global differences in intelligence and ability, but his analysis needs to go much deeper than IQ.

    One has to ask, what was the IQ of pre-Columbian Aztecs and Mayans? Their ancestors just a few hundred years later don't seem to register particularly high on modern IQ tests. Yes, the Aztecs, Mayans and Incas were conquered by Europeans in short order, but that doesn't mean that they didn't demonstrate exceptional intellect in other areas. These groups of people, along with Egyptians and many other ancient Mediterranean people, also seem contrary to the notion that "cold weather makes people smarter." Need to differentiate more between varying degrees of influence and essential causality.

    “…Aztecs, Mayans and Incas were conquered by Europeans in short order”

    Actually, Aztecs, Mayans and Incas were conquered not so much by Europeans as by European DISEASES. Their IQ had squat to do with it.

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    "Actually, Aztecs, Mayans and Incas were conquered not so much by Europeans as by European DISEASES."

    Dunno. It wasn't taught in my school, but Cortez conquered Mexico with 500 men, 13 horses and "a few cannon". He was making alliances and fighting battles, not marching over country depopulated by disease. It strikes me that the personality type rewarded in those days - brave, intelligent but self-willed and utterly ruthless - would today be considered psychopathy.
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  155. @gda
    Take a look at where college admission fees and associated textbook costs have ballooned to over the last 50 years. Take a look at the nonsensical degrees in various "Studies" (Black, Womens, Aboriginal etc.) that are now being offered. Take a look at the useless Social Studies/Humanities degrees which are pure Critical Studies/Quasi-Marxist crap.

    Think of all the attempts of the educational system to deny HBD. Cost in $$ and human suffering incalculable.

    Now realize that all this is an edifice built to deny the simple fact of HBD, to protect the myth of egalitarianism (or whatever you care to call it).

    Unintended consequences? Unmitigated evil is the end result.

    Take a look at the policies followed by the Broward County Sheriff's Dept. In an effort to stop us noticing that young black men are heavily prone to criminality, they stop arresting anyone in school, allowing some crazed loner to kill 17 people, then blame it on the NRA. Extend that to all of America.

    Hard to find any area of life which has not been touched by this evil. Our whole culture is permeated by this crap.

    Glad I'm an old f**ker and can avoid dealing with most of this crazy, evil culture. But I fear for my kids and their kids.

    “”Think of all the attempts of the educational system to deny HBD. Cost in $$ and human suffering incalculable.” (Emphasis mine.)

    “Unmitigated evil is the end result.”

    Yep, gda, agree 100%. I’ve commented here aplenty about the corruption of thought, word, and deed attending to affirmative action and the hornet’s nest of related ideas. Human suffering is right. I know one deeply embittered guy who claims to have published more than all his department colleagues combined. He’s been spinning his wheels for more than a decade without the hope of anything more than year-to-year employment, and he blames affirmative action directly.

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  156. @Daniel Chieh


    Of course, you have the audacity to refuse to consider the “natural instincts” of European whites–the invasion and inviting of the world. Clearly, their inborn greed and violence is unmatched, as evident by their imperialist endeavors. The European menfolk certainly enjoyed jackbooting small children and planting their seed in “inferior” women of color, two actions that mark their proclivities for bloodlust. Global conquerers aside, let us not forget those white Europeans who pushed forward the most heinous of agendas–Progressivism.
     
    Europeans were really no more brutal than other conquerors in history.

    But you know, a reasonable case could indeed be made for an European genetic proclivity for evangelical activity and virtuous ideas, which fully justified imperialism and civilizing the world to save souls under God. That same evangelical tendency could be said to be leading to self-destruction under progressivism.

    Sometimes you kill others, sometimes you kill yourself; its all quite understandable to be on the righteous side of history.

    At any rate, the idea that there isn't any genetic component to personality is really dumb and involves denying the existence of personality similiarities in identical twins and other madness.

    “Europeans were really no more brutal than other conquerors in history.”

    Or really no more innovative than other groups of people in history, if one desires to be consistent.
    But if you look at the past 500 years, one could reasonably argue that for all of the benefits of white European progress, the destruction left in their wake

    “But you know, a reasonable case could indeed be made for an European genetic proclivity for evangelical activity and virtuous ideas, which fully justified imperialism and civilizing the world to save souls under God.”

    As could a reasonable case could indeed be made for an European genetic proclivity for religious compulsion by way of might makes right.

    “That same evangelical tendency could be said to be leading to self-destruction under progressivism.”

    Greatly improving political, economic, and social conditions for tens of millions of white people in particular because of greedy industrialists and shady politicians is hardly leading to self-destruction.

    “At any rate, the idea that there isn’t any genetic component to personality is really dumb and involves denying the existence of personality similiarities in identical twins and other madness.”

    Strawman much? I never directly stated nor implied your statement. Personality is both genetic and environment.

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  157. @gda
    "...Aztecs, Mayans and Incas were conquered by Europeans in short order"

    Actually, Aztecs, Mayans and Incas were conquered not so much by Europeans as by European DISEASES. Their IQ had squat to do with it.

    “Actually, Aztecs, Mayans and Incas were conquered not so much by Europeans as by European DISEASES.”

    Dunno. It wasn’t taught in my school, but Cortez conquered Mexico with 500 men, 13 horses and “a few cannon”. He was making alliances and fighting battles, not marching over country depopulated by disease. It strikes me that the personality type rewarded in those days – brave, intelligent but self-willed and utterly ruthless – would today be considered psychopathy.

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    Cortez would be making 7 or 8 figures annually at Goldman Sachs today.
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  158. @YetAnotherAnon
    "Actually, Aztecs, Mayans and Incas were conquered not so much by Europeans as by European DISEASES."

    Dunno. It wasn't taught in my school, but Cortez conquered Mexico with 500 men, 13 horses and "a few cannon". He was making alliances and fighting battles, not marching over country depopulated by disease. It strikes me that the personality type rewarded in those days - brave, intelligent but self-willed and utterly ruthless - would today be considered psychopathy.

    Cortez would be making 7 or 8 figures annually at Goldman Sachs today.

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  159. @ben tillman
    I don't know about Evans's mother but his father was Jewish. Source: Gavin Evans.

    http://tonykaron.com/2009/12/26/how-i-overcame-my-jewish-evangelical-upbringing-and-learned-to-love-christmas-anyway/

    Add to this the fact that my father, who went on to become an Anglican Bishop, was Jewish, and believed he was part of the God’s chosen people and that the creation of the state of Israel was the fulfilment of Biblical philosophy, and you might get the sense of why our upbringing was not entirely normal.
     

    Ta

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  160. @ben tillman

    While requiring (for example) that applicants for certain types of employment hold a BA or equivalent degree may also have such a disparate impact, it is easier to defend as related to a “reasonable measure of job performance.”
     
    How so?

    See the legal precedent on this point. In practice employers have been able to defend a college-degree requirement more successfully as a “reasonable measure of job performance” against disparate-impact claims than they have been able to defend the use of test scores.

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  161. @ben tillman

    Nonetheless, the unintended consequence of Griggs v. Duke Power was to make universities the gatekeepers to white-collar employment.
     
    There's no reason to think it was unintended. In fact, the Court's acceptance of degree requirements (which as you note also have a disparate impact) strongly suggests that the result was intended. The Court (along with the civil rights bar) makes an unprincipled exception that just coincidentally causes this result?

    There’s no reason to think it was unintended.

    You assume greater capacity on the part of the Court for calculated malice than I do. Malice it had aplenty, but not, I think, the ability to calculate correctly what the outcome of its decision would be. That would be to attribute greater intelligence to the decision than that with which I am willing to credit it.

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  162. La Grupo de Populacion

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  163. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/gmrevans/status/969616280897671173

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    https://twitter.com/gmrevans/status/972874759921860608
    , @ben tillman
    He's a bully mocking the powerless.
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  164. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/gmrevans/status/970932247074426880

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  165. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/gmrevans/status/970932247074426880

    He’s a bully mocking the powerless.

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