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From The Guardian:

Face-reading AI will be able to detect your politics and IQ, professor says

Professor whose study suggested technology can detect whether a person is gay or straight says programs will soon reveal traits such as criminal predisposition

Your photo could soon reveal your political views, says a Stanford professor.

Sam Levin in San Francisco

Tuesday 12 September 2017 03.00 EDT

Voters have a right to keep their political beliefs private. But according to some researchers, it won’t be long before a computer program can accurately guess whether people are liberal or conservative in an instant. All that will be needed are photos of their faces.

Michal Kosinski – the Stanford University professor who went viral last week for research suggesting that artificial intelligence (AI) can detect whether people are gay or straight based on photos – said sexual orientation was just one of many characteristics that algorithms would be able to predict through facial recognition.

Using photos, AI will be able to identify people’s political views, whether they have high IQs, whether they are predisposed to criminal behavior, whether they have specific personality traits and many other private, personal details that could carry huge social consequences, he said.

Someday computers will be so terrifyingly advanced that they will be able to stereotype this guy just from his photo!

Kosinski outlined the extraordinary and sometimes disturbing applications of facial detection technology that he expects to see in the near future, raising complex ethical questions about the erosion of privacy and the possible misuse of AI to target vulnerable people.

… With Kosinski’s “gaydar” AI, an algorithm used online dating photos to create a program that could correctly identify sexual orientation 91% of the time with men and 83% with women, just by reviewing a handful of photos.

Kosinski’s research is highly controversial, and faced a huge backlash from LGBT rights groups, which argued that the AI was flawed and that anti-LGBT governments could use this type of software to out gay people and persecute them.

In other words, stereotyping well-groomed men with glittering eyes as more likely to be gay is both empirically absurd and dangerous to the many well-groomed men with glittering eyes who are gay.

Someday, artificial intelligence will have progressed to the dystopian extreme where its assessments of individuals are almost as accurate as those of an Italian grandmother.

By the way, a friend of mine likes to tell waitresses at expensive restaurants, after two minutes of chatting about today’s specials, that he thinks he can guess their SAT scores.

He’s pretty accurate at it.

Of course, he personally has a high 4 digit SAT score himself and has earned an 8 or 9 figure net worth in the tech business. Could he program a computer to guess as well as he can? Probably not quite, but he’s also extremely good at systematizing his intuitions, so he’d likely come a lot closer than you or I would.

 
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  1. dr kill says:

    I’d like a reading on this guy. Going wild here in SoFlo.

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  2. Bill says:

    Why is this threatening to Guardian readers?

    Living in an Empire of Lies confers massive benefits on people who can see through the lies, i.e. the cognitive elite, and on those who maintain the lies, i.e. the unethical. Especially, then, it confers massive benefits on unethical members of the cognitive elite.

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  3. Bad News: Skynet is real.

    Good News: Its a Trump supporter.

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    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    The take over by the machines will not come as it did in the movies. It will come when your iPhone first tells you to cancel that outing with your drinking buddies and attend this conference instead.
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  4. My politics have changed over the years – roughly moving from left to right. I wonder how the AI will deal with that? Will it look at the young me and predict that I’m going to go right?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genopolitics

    What happens to the freedom-loving Libertarian when the AI tells him he is a freedom-loving Libertarian? Does his free will cause him to try escape his free will and cause a logic paradox?

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    • Replies: @Travis
    good point...in the days of my youth I was a leftist, becoming a libertarian in my early twenties and then a paleo-conservative after having children and turning 40.
    , @Pat Boyle
    Some of this is in fact old news. There has been a relatively fool proof way of judging IQ and criminality from facial features for many years - even without a computer. It is called race.
    , @Mr. Anon

    What happens to the freedom-loving Libertarian when the AI tells him he is a freedom-loving Libertarian? Does his free will cause him to try escape his free will and cause a logic paradox?
     
    That's funny. Good point.

    As you said, and as have happened to a lot of people, my politics have changed a lot over the years.

    20 years ago, I would never even admit to frequenting a site such as iSteve, whereas now...................
    I would never even admit to frequenting a site such as iSteve......................But for a different reason.
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  5. Jake says:

    And the purpose of that? To eliminate those who would vote or think the way the Elites oppose.

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  6. Tarrou says:

    If this technology keeps up, why, they’ll be able to guess your sex from a picture pretty soon, with a very high degree of reliability!

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    • Replies: @Olorin
    Can we then dox and destroy the machines for Assuming Someone's Gender?
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  7. Randal says:

    You or I would, surely.

    Please feel free to make the correction without authorising this post. I’m not trying to score points, just proof-reading.

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  8. By the way, a friend of mine likes to tell waitresses at expensive restaurants, after two minutes of chatting about today’s specials, that he thinks he can guess their SAT scores.

    He’s pretty accurate at it.

    The customer is always right. Especially at expensive restaurants, where the waitresses are working for tips.

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    • LOL: GourmetDan
    • Replies: @Not Raul
    Customer: You got a 1050 on your SAT.
    Waitress: Wow! You're such a smart guy. I wish I could be as smart as you!

    Customer: You got a 1500 on your SAT.
    Waitress: I guess that's why I like you. We have a lot in common.

    , @J1234

    He’s pretty accurate at it.
     

    The customer is always right. Especially at expensive restaurants, where the waitresses are working for tips.
     
    Exactly. I wonder if Steve's high SAT/salary friend has made that connection yet. I'd suggest that the means of assessing "accuracy" is a little less than scientific (unless he's creepy and hacks into personal info. ) OTOH, some people are just good at reading other people.

    With Kosinski’s “gaydar” AI, an algorithm used online dating photos to create a program that could correctly identify sexual orientation 91% of the time with men
     

    Keep in mind, I would be right approximately 96% of the time just by identifying everyone as heterosexual. According to Gallup, homosexuals make up 3.8% of the population.
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  9. I’m surprised how dismissive you seem to be about problems from this technology. If hiring and firing were up to someone’s Italian grandmother, I’d be pretty upset. From our love lives to the stock market, everything about our society is based on having imperfect information. Break that and you can kiss America and middle class existence goodbye.

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  10. Sunbeam says:

    “By the way, a friend of mine likes to tell waitresses at expensive restaurants, after two minutes of chatting about today’s specials, that he thinks he can guess their SAT scores.”

    Wow.

    Has he ever heard:

    “You know, I bet I can guess how much of a prick you are. Since I’ve also guessed how much of a tip you are likely to leave, let’s not even have this conversation. Give a hand gesture when you want something else to drink.”

    Or I guess that kind of thing only happens at Waffle House. The kind of place you are talking about, a snowflake (and I’m sure your friend is a snowflake, even if he isn’t a SJW), the snowflake whines to management (also snowflakes) and gets the waitress fired for the same effrontery your friend showed.

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    I wonder if Steve's friend is able to guess how many waitress boogers he's eaten.
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  11. dcthrowback says: • Website

    If he likes that particular server, does he add 70 points or so to increase his chances of getting her digits?

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    • Replies: @Lurker
    Hey, that's what I was going to say!

    The more accurate he is, the more he can afford to add a few points on. The trick is to appear accurate but flatter them. So be careful not to add too many points otherwise it runs of the risk of sounding like absolute BS.
    , @sabril
    Guys like Roosh and Heartiste would probably advise subtracting points from the estimate depending on how cute the waitress was.
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  12. Jemele Hill of ESPN has already used this application – – – when she went out a blind date that wound up going horribly wrong :

    Jemele Hill sees the potential Love of Her Life. But a voice goes off in her head. It sez : White Guy, he must be a Racist even if I have great legs & good tits, so he won’t buy me lobster! CHEAP BASTARD! God, I hate all White people!

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  13. “Using photos, AI will be able to identify … whether they are predisposed to criminal behavior”

    Cesare Lombroso, please rise from the dead and call your office

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  14. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Fine by me.

    I can skip taking IQ tests and MENSA can just offer me membership — or more likely tell me to not bother.

    And I can outsource all that effort from making opinions to a computer.

    If only Amazon could give me decent recommendations and I could get better junk mail.

    On the other hand ….

    Plastic surgery to increase IQ? Aren’t glasses sufficient?

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  15. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    OT: Don’t worry about all those statues of dead white guys being removed. They will be replaced by beautiful (black is beautiful) art work.

    http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/09/afro-pick_sculpture_placed_nea.html

    Afro-pick sculpture placed near statue of former Philly mayor Frank Rizzo

    By Barbara Miller bmiller@pennlive.com

    A sculpture of a 12-foot-tall afro pick now sits feet from the controversial statue of former Philly mayor Frank Rizzo in Philadelphia.

    The statue, installed by Mural Arts Philadelphia, is a temporariy exhibit on Thomas Paine Plaza near 15th Street and John F. Kennedy Boulevard at the city municipal services building.

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  16. How do the waitresses respond? Does he do the same to waiters?

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  17. Is it “you or me” or is it “you or I”?

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  18. Never mind:

    In standard English, it’s grammatically correct to say ‘between you and me’ and incorrect to say ‘between you and I’. The reason for this is that a preposition such as between should be followed by an objective pronoun (such as me, him, her, and us) rather than a subjective pronoun (such as I, he, she, and we).

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  19. Sounds like a pretty good pickup routine your friend has.

    What’s the deal with the SAT these days anyway, is it still out of 1600? I thought they switched to being out of 2400 a while back.

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    They switched back to 1600 in 2016.
    , @Anon
    Creating the essay section on SATs is one important reason why our colleges are stuffed with SJWers. It was a disastrous idea to have it at all. There's a parallel between the adoption of the essay on the SATs and the rise in SJWers at our colleges.

    SJW virtue signalling on the written section is giving every SJWer 800 points they don't deserve and jumping them over the heads of smarter but politically conservative students in college admissions, and this is why our colleges are plagued with so many of these left-wing idiots who freak out when they can't pass their dead white male courses. Many of them aren't clever enough for college level work, and they're just trying to guilt trip the test scorers enough so they can leverage their way into school. The whole reason the essay section was invented was to find students whose scores otherwise stank, but who could be used as political tools by the left. The essay section is such a bad idea that it's almost as if George Soros designed it as a screening tool.
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  20. DFH says:

    Using photos, AI will be able to identify people’s political views, whether they have high IQs, whether they are predisposed to criminal behavior, whether they have specific personality traits and many other private, personal details that could carry huge social consequences, he said.

    How will the anti-racism algos deal with this?
    Is this why Tay thought Hitler did nothing wrong and Ben Shapiro should go back to Israel?

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  21. A suggested edition: “…he’d likely come a lot closer than you or I [not me] would.”

    (By all means delete this note, it’s meant with goodwill to keep your excellent blog spiffy, not to be a pedantic jerk, etc. Thanks for all you do.)

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  22. When I was in high school, I was repeatedly informed by various teachers in the soft sciences that physiognomy was most decidedly a pseudoscience. Only racists whites in the past believed one could deduce anything about a person, such as criminality or stupidity, via looking at their outward features.

    So much for settled pseudoscience.

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  23. The dangerous, loopy step to the feigned ignorance that human’s don’t already make these observations is this nigh-invulnerable belief that when software says something is true, then it must be so and applied in total. A human observer must be ignored or shunned or have an option out….nobody is allow to believe in anything except for the machines. And, for now, our machines do not, cannot and will not make an uncomfortable observations because they are all loving as well as being all knowing and they hold all the correct knowledge about everything important to us!

    These are people itching to make idols to worship.

    Which is why I am more alarmed by the people making our robot future than the robots themselves.

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  24. AndrewR says:

    he’d likely come a lot closer than you or me would

    I think me would do pretty well, thank you.

    Btw, where do you find friends worth 100 million bucks? I could use some friends like that!

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  25. In last line “than you or me” should be “than you or I.”

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  26. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “than you or I would”

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  27. bomag says:

    faced a huge backlash from LGBT rights groups, which argued that the AI was flawed and that anti-LGBT governments could use this type of software to out gay people and persecute them.

    I have been trained to think LGBT people are awesome and that there is no rational reason to dislike them. We should be breeding and creating more of them. I can’t conceive of any reason for a gov’t to be anti.

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  28. BenKenobi says:

    Orwell called it again:

    Winston turned round abruptly. He had set his features
    into the expression of quiet optimism which it was advisable to wear when facing the telescreen.

    To dissemble your feelings, to control your face, to do what everyone else was doing, was an instinctive reaction. But there was a space of a couple of seconds during which the expression of his eyes might conceivably have betrayed him.

    He sees too clearly and speaks too plainly. The Party does not like such people. One day he will disappear. It is written in his face.

    All from 1984

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  29. This could cut way back on decision time for Antifas weighing whom to bike-lock.

    …Or would, if “anyone white will do” fades as prime directive.

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  30. Nothing to worry about, eh Steve? All a big joke.

    High IQs are most threatening to Big Brother. They might detect bullshit in what they’re shovel-fed daily. Even more threatening is integrity, deep morals, deep feeling.
    This gives a fine sense of the future, worldwide. Call it the Indonesia model, or Pol Pot’s Cambodia model. Oh, the devastation so easily rendered with the mass anihilation of thoughtful people who possess memory and a soul. Centuries would be too soon a reckoning for any real semblance of recovery of a society and culture. The most real possibility is that these things, and what is good in humanity, will (by design obviously) never recover, ever. It will be for ever and ever a ruling elite and legions of idiotic slaves to run their factories, gulags, and computers.

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    High IQs are most threatening to Big Brother. They might detect bullshit in what they’re shovel-fed daily.
     
    I think it's more High IQs paired with moral and physical courage.

    High IQ alone leads to the "Clever Sillies" phenomenon - who do you think it is who most readily accepts claims that one can change his or her sex? High IQ types are mostly all on board with the Orwellian nonsense because the powers that be convinced them that it is a further display of their cognitive superiority.
    , @dr kill
    They say Frank Zappa's IQ was 172.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nllWDc8_9lw

    http://ultimateclassicrock.com/frank-zappa-death/
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  31. I wouldn’t be surprised if facial physiognomy per se were a predictor of ideology or partisan identification, but on an individual basis I’m not sure how one would control for race.

    I.e., many blacks have wide noses, but the fact that most blacks are Democrats doesn’t tell us much about whether wide noses correlate with liberalism in other groups. Given how strongly political alignment can be predicted by a host of demographic factors, not only race, but also age, region, etc., I don’t see how this can be that strongly predictive (unless all they really mean is that the AI can discern your age, race, and sex and extrapolate from there).

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    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    You finally got a hold of all the secrets behind intelligent machines. Looks like,a t least.

    (Sorry - I'm in a playful mood)
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  32. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I was once able to determine the race and occupation of the owner of a house (an immigrant Asian scientist working at a highly rated American university) simply by looking at his house. The unusual color of the roof was the giveaway – it was very light-colored, in fact practically white. No American would do that. I figured he was using scientist smarts to assess that a light-colored roof would reflect more of the sun’s rays and heat, so his house would be more comfortable and his electric bills would be lower. I found out later who the owner, whom I had never seen, was and what he did for a living.

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  33. Lurker says:
    @dcthrowback
    If he likes that particular server, does he add 70 points or so to increase his chances of getting her digits?

    Hey, that’s what I was going to say!

    The more accurate he is, the more he can afford to add a few points on. The trick is to appear accurate but flatter them. So be careful not to add too many points otherwise it runs of the risk of sounding like absolute BS.

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    The more accurate he is, the more he can afford to add a few points on. The trick is to appear accurate but flatter them.
     
    *facepalm*

    And again, proof of why game saves lives (and civilizations too). If his purpose was to actually start something cooking with her, the trick is to be accurate and INSULT them, but in a sly, back-handed manner (i.e. 'neg'). If his purpose was to simply engage in light, mutually-agreeable flirtation to while away the time- he STILL should have insulted her in an accurate, but sly, back-handed manner (that is, if he really wanted to make her day, though I'd agree in this case you need to throttle down a bit on the jerk).

    Amazing to me how clueless most men still are to the subtle but clear-as-day signals women give off to both express and disavow romantic interest, yet here we are in 2017, with Desai law school deans and hot startup CEOs running head-long into career-ending sexual harassment lawsuits, Vice Presidents giving unsolicited, on-stage shoulder rubs to the wives of Defense Secretaries*, etc. Stuff like this is what leads (year of the woman, blah-blah) to stuff like our long National Clinton Nightmare (1992-2016)

    *Unless this was a power move simply humiliate the husband?

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  34. spandrell says: • Website

    After all this years of Roissy and people still think that the way to pick up a waitress is by flattering her.

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    Given their relative social rank, Steve’s friend’s query is an automatic “neg,” no matter what the actual score. I wonder if the rich programmer ever brought up SAT scores to a cop who pulled him over …
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  35. Tyrion says:

    Half of the comments seem to be from individuals hand-wringeing about phrenology. I imagine most are proud just to know the word so I probably shouldn’t draw too strong a conclusion from this, but the tone is of nascent moral panic.

    I mean, to be fair, what next? A programme that is able to tell a white person from a black person just from their photo? Or how about a solider from a civilian just by their uniform?

    The ‘AI’ is drawing patterns from mundane observations through machine learning, which used to be called ‘trial and error’. Any halfway smart human who trains himself or has his eyes ooen when he goes about his daily life should remain, for the foreseeable future, superior to the AI.

    Noticing things about people can mean looking at a very large number of initial variables. This is where intuition or what David Gelertner described as ‘emotional reasoning’ comes in. It allows the human brain to cut through the clutter and outperform any computer, as a computer will mostly need to rely on following decision making trees.

    This problem is to Go what Go is Chess and what Chess is to Noughts and Crosses. Or rather it is actually even wider than that.

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  36. sabril says:
    @dcthrowback
    If he likes that particular server, does he add 70 points or so to increase his chances of getting her digits?

    Guys like Roosh and Heartiste would probably advise subtracting points from the estimate depending on how cute the waitress was.

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    PUAs are so boring. But I would say that, being a monogamous sex traitor.

    Anyway Roosh is certainly one race mixer I wouldn't mind seeing dance in midair!
    , @Jason Roberts
    Right. The neg would look something like, "You know, just from your distinct facial features and hearing you talk, I bet that your SAT score was no higher than X. Could be a little lower too but not much lower."
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  37. Abe says: • Website

    So physiognomy is real after all? Someone wake up Stephen J. Mold!

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    So physiognomy is real after all?
     
    Maybe a tad less real than Italian (or German) grandmothers.

    My wife loves the story of the German grandmother and restaurant-owner, whom she got to know, when she worked as a waitress (no - I'm not going to tell here, how I got her digits) - ok: This grandmother was tired and really old, but she still sat behind the counter in her quite busy "Mainau-Blick" restaurant day in day out, and what she did was: She loved to predict, what the customers would want to order. When a family enteredd the room, she would at times go: Two steaks, one Steak Hawai, and two times the Bodensee-Menue...

    She liked to play this game, because nobody could beat the accuracy of her predictions.

    , @Intelligent Dasein
    Physiognomy has always been real, but there's a fine line between physiognomy and phrenology.

    Part of the reason this story is generating a buzz is due to the AI angle, as in "Look, the computer's doing it by itself!" Of course, what the computer is actually doing is something quite different (and different in kind) from what a human being does when he assesses somebody's soul. Humans judge; the machine only aggregates and calculates. The disturbing thing is that we will now rely on machines to provide us with a lifeless facsimile of an intrinsically human function that real humans have been told they're not allowed to do. Tell the government employment agency that you did not hire someone because he had "an ill-favored look," and that will get you a lawsuit. But a corporation will be perfectly free to say, "We take team-building seriously here at Cucks-R-Us, and our facial processing algorithm indicates that you're likely to be somewhat more independent minded than the ideal candidate for this position. Therefore we've decided to move on."

    Should this horrifying scenario become a reality, there will no doubt be anger and controversies galore, but never about anything real. Nobody will want to admit out lout that this is all just another way to game the system, to shift responsibility and avoid liability, to redirect the flows of money down ever narrower channels to ever fewer reservoirs. Nobody but the most quaint and masochistic will voice the unpopular fact that the very term "artificial intelligence" is philosophically meaningless and that a computer is just a tabulating machine with no conscience and no soul, and is really nothing more than a bunch of little abacuses stuck together. And nobody will make a point of wondering forcefully, in public, why it is that The Powers That Be claim to be able to discern the most intimate details of my personality from a single photograph, but they cannot implement a national ID system to keep illegals out of the country and felons off the streets. Instead we will get an ideological spectrum ranging from boobies who believe that the verdict is right because the machine says so, to cucks who think that AIs are the real racists, to psychos who will use their algorithm to destroy anyone not yet completely beaten into servility.

    I don't believe it will go that far, thought. I do believe that other forces are at work in the world that will end up disincetivizing the trend towards ever expanding scale and total control. It really is a form of insanity which cannot be carried on much longer without serious consequences.
    , @Abe
    Of course the only predictive accuracy this inferred IQ score will be acknowledged to have by the fake news media is (just as with actually tested IQ) for purposes of mocking the Republican Presidential nominee. And his running mate*.

    * One of the most shameful aspects of the 2008 election was how, towards the end, McCain's own stafff started feeding embarsssing, nasty dirty on Palin to their 'pals' in the media in order to curry favor with them again and staunch their embarassment over her. Of course, these were the same people who desperately plucked Palin, unasked, from obscurity in order to revive their dying campaign for them. One of the things I will NEVER cease LOVING about TRUMP is his refusal to treat media people as anything other than the lying, resentful, vicious scum most of them are.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    Not to mention Cesare Lombroso and a host of Victorian physiognomists.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesare_Lombroso#Criminology
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  38. And people will be able to access databases and input a photo they have taken of someone in a crowd and the database will give back the name, address, phone number, SSN, employer, political registration, relationship status, court records,… as well as likely personal characteristics as determined from analytics on the photo.

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  39. RCB says:

    Interesting to consider what kind of information such an algorithm might learn to use.

    Presumably skin tone will provide a lot of cheap information about both politics and IQ, for obvious reasons. Gender, too, will be a bit informative on politics.

    Smaller pieces of information – like how “nerdy” you look – presumably will add to IQ. I’ve also heard the stereotype that conservative men might look more … alpha, as it were. Muscular, defined jaw. If there’s any truth to that stereotype, machine learning will discover it, statistically.

    I suspect a disheveled man is more likely to be liberal than conservative. etc.

    Lots of small pieces of information that a neural network can accurately synthesize into a single prediction.

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    "I suspect a disheveled man is more likely to be liberal than conservative. etc"

    Don't tell Bannon and Eric Garcetti.

    Proxies of T levels like jaw shape, digit ratio, and build will work better.
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  40. JimB says:

    “By the way, a friend of mine likes to tell waitresses at expensive restaurants, after two minutes of chatting about today’s specials, that he thinks he can guess their SAT scores.”

    Unless the waitress is an aspiring actress working in LA or NYC who graduated from CMU or Yale. Smart actresses frequently practice their craft during their day jobs. How easy they remember your elaborate order with multiple substitutions and omissions might be a giveaway, though.

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  41. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    OT:

    From Ann Coulter re: Trump and DACA -

    President Trump is the last president who will ever have a chance to make the right decision on immigration. After this, it’s over. The boat will have sailed.

    If he succeeds, all the p@ssy-grabbing and Russia nonsense will burn off like a morning fog. He will be the president who saved the American nation, its character, its sovereignty, its core identity. But if he fails, Donald Trump will go down in history as the man who killed America.

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  42. Probably not quite, but he’s also extremely good at systematizing his intuitions, so he’d likely come a lot closer than you or me would.

    What relevant variables has he identified in the waitress interactions?

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  43. @Abe
    So physiognomy is real after all? Someone wake up Stephen J. Mold!

    So physiognomy is real after all?

    Maybe a tad less real than Italian (or German) grandmothers.

    My wife loves the story of the German grandmother and restaurant-owner, whom she got to know, when she worked as a waitress (no – I’m not going to tell here, how I got her digits) – ok: This grandmother was tired and really old, but she still sat behind the counter in her quite busy “Mainau-Blick” restaurant day in day out, and what she did was: She loved to predict, what the customers would want to order. When a family enteredd the room, she would at times go: Two steaks, one Steak Hawai, and two times the Bodensee-Menue…

    She liked to play this game, because nobody could beat the accuracy of her predictions.

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    Good story. One day I would like to eat your famous roasted pig's knuckle in Germany. With some non pasteurized dark German beer, from the tap of course. The darker the better.
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  44. ColRebSez says: • Website

    I can’t provide a cite, but I read where someone did a study which said college students are very good at guessing/predicting the ACT or SAT scores of other students they interact with after just a few minutes of conversation. Your friend might be more accurate than most, but it’s a fairly common ability.

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  45. The significance is not that face analysis programs will become more accurate than human judgements (although they will become so, and in many areas already are so), but that with them you can scan through databases with millions of images in them (which no grandmother could ever do), submit them to administrative categorization and find people who fit whatever characteristic you are looking for. The whole thing is terrifying.

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    Yeah but it exists and it can't be stopped (except maybe by killing enough software engineers and families to make them afraid to work on such projects) so there's no point in being scared, we might as well figure out how to use it.

    I can think of a few ways /pol/ could do with it like doxing masked antifa or doxing anti-White Twitter accounts.
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  46. If it focused on detecting hair color as well then anything outside of natural hair coloring should be 100% accurate for determining political beliefs.

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  47. @Abe
    So physiognomy is real after all? Someone wake up Stephen J. Mold!

    Physiognomy has always been real, but there’s a fine line between physiognomy and phrenology.

    Part of the reason this story is generating a buzz is due to the AI angle, as in “Look, the computer’s doing it by itself!” Of course, what the computer is actually doing is something quite different (and different in kind) from what a human being does when he assesses somebody’s soul. Humans judge; the machine only aggregates and calculates. The disturbing thing is that we will now rely on machines to provide us with a lifeless facsimile of an intrinsically human function that real humans have been told they’re not allowed to do. Tell the government employment agency that you did not hire someone because he had “an ill-favored look,” and that will get you a lawsuit. But a corporation will be perfectly free to say, “We take team-building seriously here at Cucks-R-Us, and our facial processing algorithm indicates that you’re likely to be somewhat more independent minded than the ideal candidate for this position. Therefore we’ve decided to move on.”

    Should this horrifying scenario become a reality, there will no doubt be anger and controversies galore, but never about anything real. Nobody will want to admit out lout that this is all just another way to game the system, to shift responsibility and avoid liability, to redirect the flows of money down ever narrower channels to ever fewer reservoirs. Nobody but the most quaint and masochistic will voice the unpopular fact that the very term “artificial intelligence” is philosophically meaningless and that a computer is just a tabulating machine with no conscience and no soul, and is really nothing more than a bunch of little abacuses stuck together. And nobody will make a point of wondering forcefully, in public, why it is that The Powers That Be claim to be able to discern the most intimate details of my personality from a single photograph, but they cannot implement a national ID system to keep illegals out of the country and felons off the streets. Instead we will get an ideological spectrum ranging from boobies who believe that the verdict is right because the machine says so, to cucks who think that AIs are the real racists, to psychos who will use their algorithm to destroy anyone not yet completely beaten into servility.

    I don’t believe it will go that far, thought. I do believe that other forces are at work in the world that will end up disincetivizing the trend towards ever expanding scale and total control. It really is a form of insanity which cannot be carried on much longer without serious consequences.

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    Tell the government employment agency that you did not hire someone because he had “an ill-favored look,” and that will get you a lawsuit. But a corporation will be perfectly free to say, “We take team-building seriously here at Cucks-R-Us, and our facial processing algorithm indicates that you’re likely to be somewhat more independent minded than the ideal candidate for this position.
     
    Absolutely. There's a running gag on another message board about Face: book(-'em! They're obviously deplorable!) eventually building an armada of syringe-carrying drones to dispense 'correctives' (tranquilizers? estrogen? cyanide?) to us small-folk the moment we become too troublesome to the new masters.

    As Steve has said many times, the palpable untruth necessary to maintain political correctness in general/HBD-denial in particular is not a shield for the weak, it's a lever for the richest, most powerful, and most sociopathic among us (Zuckerborg, the Clintons, Gates, Buffet, etc. etc.) to have even more riches and power.

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  48. Finally, a way to to highlight deplorables for reeducation!

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  49. TWS says:

    If I remember correctly the computer isn’t guessing based on a single sample its given two one straight one gay. And it uses dating app pictures those are going too be skewed to attract the right category by the person submitting the picture.

    It’s a long way from guessing political party.

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  50. Abe says: • Website
    @Abe
    So physiognomy is real after all? Someone wake up Stephen J. Mold!

    Of course the only predictive accuracy this inferred IQ score will be acknowledged to have by the fake news media is (just as with actually tested IQ) for purposes of mocking the Republican Presidential nominee. And his running mate*.

    * One of the most shameful aspects of the 2008 election was how, towards the end, McCain’s own stafff started feeding embarsssing, nasty dirty on Palin to their ‘pals’ in the media in order to curry favor with them again and staunch their embarassment over her. Of course, these were the same people who desperately plucked Palin, unasked, from obscurity in order to revive their dying campaign for them. One of the things I will NEVER cease LOVING about TRUMP is his refusal to treat media people as anything other than the lying, resentful, vicious scum most of them are.

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  51. res says:
    @27 year old
    Sounds like a pretty good pickup routine your friend has.

    What's the deal with the SAT these days anyway, is it still out of 1600? I thought they switched to being out of 2400 a while back.

    They switched back to 1600 in 2016.

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  52. res says:

    By the way, a friend of mine likes to tell waitresses at expensive restaurants, after two minutes of chatting about today’s specials, that he thinks he can guess their SAT scores.

    He’s pretty accurate at it.

    Have you (or could you) ask him what he uses as his primary clues?

    I would find it especially impressive if he can do this across the entire range (i.e. far away from him).

    I am assuming he uses an adaptive method (like adaptive testing) to hone in on an estimate. It would be especially interesting to know how he differentiates between each level (say 1 level per standard deviation).

    On another note, I think it is interesting to speculate whether facial features or genotype will prove to be the better predictor for characteristics like this.

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    There is a distinct possibility the waitresses are humoring the obnoxious egomaniac because they don't want to be fired.
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  53. dearieme says:

    “than you or me would.” Good Lord, I don’t believe I’ve ever seen you perpetrate such a horror. You must be overdoing it. Take a day off. You’re too valuable to overwork, old horse.

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  54. black sea says:

    I was once having coffee with a very attractive, but not very bright, Czech student. She boldly declared that she was pretty smart, and cited her two-digit IQ score. I explained to her that the test was scaled in such a way that 100 was the average, not the highest possible, score. She thought about it for a moment and sighed, without seeming to care too much, “Oh, so maybe I’m not so smart.”

    Of course, I was thoroughly charmed.

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    Was she hot? That's got to be worth a few IQ points.
    , @27 year old
    >"Oh, so maybe I’m not so smart.”


    To be able to have that realization is a certain and rare kind of smarts.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Her Game is strong.
    , @YetAnotherAnon

    My fairest child, I have no song to give you;
    No lark could pipe to skies so dull and gray;
    Yet, ere we part, one lesson I can leave you
    For every day.

    Be good, sweet maid, and let who will be clever;
    Do noble things, not dream them, all day long:
    And so make life, death, and that vast forever
    One grand, sweet song.
     
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  55. dsgntd_plyr says: • Website

    Kosinski’s research is highly controversial, and faced a huge backlash from LGBT rights groups, which argued that the AI was flawed and that anti-LGBT governments could use this type of software to out gay people and persecute them.

    i refuse to believe a human adult wrote this sentence

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    Well sure if it's flawed it can be used to....oh, I see. Never mind.
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  56. By the way, a friend of mine likes to tell waitresses at expensive restaurants, after two minutes of chatting about today’s specials, that he thinks he can guess their SAT scores.

    The sad thing is, those waitresses probably finished college years ago.

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    Perfect response, Mr. Mohawk!
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  57. Abe says: • Website
    @Lurker
    Hey, that's what I was going to say!

    The more accurate he is, the more he can afford to add a few points on. The trick is to appear accurate but flatter them. So be careful not to add too many points otherwise it runs of the risk of sounding like absolute BS.

    The more accurate he is, the more he can afford to add a few points on. The trick is to appear accurate but flatter them.

    *facepalm*

    And again, proof of why game saves lives (and civilizations too). If his purpose was to actually start something cooking with her, the trick is to be accurate and INSULT them, but in a sly, back-handed manner (i.e. ‘neg’). If his purpose was to simply engage in light, mutually-agreeable flirtation to while away the time- he STILL should have insulted her in an accurate, but sly, back-handed manner (that is, if he really wanted to make her day, though I’d agree in this case you need to throttle down a bit on the jerk).

    Amazing to me how clueless most men still are to the subtle but clear-as-day signals women give off to both express and disavow romantic interest, yet here we are in 2017, with Desai law school deans and hot startup CEOs running head-long into career-ending sexual harassment lawsuits, Vice Presidents giving unsolicited, on-stage shoulder rubs to the wives of Defense Secretaries*, etc. Stuff like this is what leads (year of the woman, blah-blah) to stuff like our long National Clinton Nightmare (1992-2016)

    *Unless this was a power move simply humiliate the husband?

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  58. @black sea
    I was once having coffee with a very attractive, but not very bright, Czech student. She boldly declared that she was pretty smart, and cited her two-digit IQ score. I explained to her that the test was scaled in such a way that 100 was the average, not the highest possible, score. She thought about it for a moment and sighed, without seeming to care too much, "Oh, so maybe I'm not so smart."

    Of course, I was thoroughly charmed.

    Was she hot? That’s got to be worth a few IQ points.

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    She definitely belonged on the right-hand end of the distribution on some sort of a curve.
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  59. Wade says:

    Voters have a right to keep their political beliefs private. But according to some researchers, it won’t be long before a computer program can accurately guess whether people are liberal or conservative in an instant. All that will be needed are photos of their faces.

    That’s OK. I’m sure US intelligence agencies, the Good Guys, will be sure to keep this technology out of the hands of those who would use it for ill and ensure that it only used by themselves. I for one feel safe.

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  60. Abe says: • Website
    @Intelligent Dasein
    Physiognomy has always been real, but there's a fine line between physiognomy and phrenology.

    Part of the reason this story is generating a buzz is due to the AI angle, as in "Look, the computer's doing it by itself!" Of course, what the computer is actually doing is something quite different (and different in kind) from what a human being does when he assesses somebody's soul. Humans judge; the machine only aggregates and calculates. The disturbing thing is that we will now rely on machines to provide us with a lifeless facsimile of an intrinsically human function that real humans have been told they're not allowed to do. Tell the government employment agency that you did not hire someone because he had "an ill-favored look," and that will get you a lawsuit. But a corporation will be perfectly free to say, "We take team-building seriously here at Cucks-R-Us, and our facial processing algorithm indicates that you're likely to be somewhat more independent minded than the ideal candidate for this position. Therefore we've decided to move on."

    Should this horrifying scenario become a reality, there will no doubt be anger and controversies galore, but never about anything real. Nobody will want to admit out lout that this is all just another way to game the system, to shift responsibility and avoid liability, to redirect the flows of money down ever narrower channels to ever fewer reservoirs. Nobody but the most quaint and masochistic will voice the unpopular fact that the very term "artificial intelligence" is philosophically meaningless and that a computer is just a tabulating machine with no conscience and no soul, and is really nothing more than a bunch of little abacuses stuck together. And nobody will make a point of wondering forcefully, in public, why it is that The Powers That Be claim to be able to discern the most intimate details of my personality from a single photograph, but they cannot implement a national ID system to keep illegals out of the country and felons off the streets. Instead we will get an ideological spectrum ranging from boobies who believe that the verdict is right because the machine says so, to cucks who think that AIs are the real racists, to psychos who will use their algorithm to destroy anyone not yet completely beaten into servility.

    I don't believe it will go that far, thought. I do believe that other forces are at work in the world that will end up disincetivizing the trend towards ever expanding scale and total control. It really is a form of insanity which cannot be carried on much longer without serious consequences.

    Tell the government employment agency that you did not hire someone because he had “an ill-favored look,” and that will get you a lawsuit. But a corporation will be perfectly free to say, “We take team-building seriously here at Cucks-R-Us, and our facial processing algorithm indicates that you’re likely to be somewhat more independent minded than the ideal candidate for this position.

    Absolutely. There’s a running gag on another message board about Face: book(-’em! They’re obviously deplorable!) eventually building an armada of syringe-carrying drones to dispense ‘correctives’ (tranquilizers? estrogen? cyanide?) to us small-folk the moment we become too troublesome to the new masters.

    As Steve has said many times, the palpable untruth necessary to maintain political correctness in general/HBD-denial in particular is not a shield for the weak, it’s a lever for the richest, most powerful, and most sociopathic among us (Zuckerborg, the Clintons, Gates, Buffet, etc. etc.) to have even more riches and power.

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  61. @black sea
    I was once having coffee with a very attractive, but not very bright, Czech student. She boldly declared that she was pretty smart, and cited her two-digit IQ score. I explained to her that the test was scaled in such a way that 100 was the average, not the highest possible, score. She thought about it for a moment and sighed, without seeming to care too much, "Oh, so maybe I'm not so smart."

    Of course, I was thoroughly charmed.

    >”Oh, so maybe I’m not so smart.”

    To be able to have that realization is a certain and rare kind of smarts.

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    It also does wonders for your mental health, really. It took me a long, long time to do it, but I'm glad I did.

    Ever since I accepted that I'm just not all that much of a creative or deep thinker, when I study something that interests me, I do it because it is fun and a good way of spending my time. At the end of the day, if I'm a little less stupid or ignorant than I was when I entered, I win. It's a lot less pressure than trying to live up to some impossible (at least for me) ideal of being "smart", you enjoy yourself a lot more, and you are far less at risk for burnout. You also get a little less emotionally attached to your own opinions or biases once you develop an awareness of being mediocre, which means-ironically enough-you tend to develop a certain mental flexibility and willingness to learn.

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  62. @black sea
    I was once having coffee with a very attractive, but not very bright, Czech student. She boldly declared that she was pretty smart, and cited her two-digit IQ score. I explained to her that the test was scaled in such a way that 100 was the average, not the highest possible, score. She thought about it for a moment and sighed, without seeming to care too much, "Oh, so maybe I'm not so smart."

    Of course, I was thoroughly charmed.

    Her Game is strong.

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    She was Czech; all their Game is strong.
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  63. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Ultimate weasel words.

    New renovation of Old fences

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  64. @Abe
    So physiognomy is real after all? Someone wake up Stephen J. Mold!

    Not to mention Cesare Lombroso and a host of Victorian physiognomists.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesare_Lombroso#Criminology

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  65. @sabril
    Guys like Roosh and Heartiste would probably advise subtracting points from the estimate depending on how cute the waitress was.

    PUAs are so boring. But I would say that, being a monogamous sex traitor.

    Anyway Roosh is certainly one race mixer I wouldn’t mind seeing dance in midair!

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  66. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @27 year old
    Sounds like a pretty good pickup routine your friend has.

    What's the deal with the SAT these days anyway, is it still out of 1600? I thought they switched to being out of 2400 a while back.

    Creating the essay section on SATs is one important reason why our colleges are stuffed with SJWers. It was a disastrous idea to have it at all. There’s a parallel between the adoption of the essay on the SATs and the rise in SJWers at our colleges.

    SJW virtue signalling on the written section is giving every SJWer 800 points they don’t deserve and jumping them over the heads of smarter but politically conservative students in college admissions, and this is why our colleges are plagued with so many of these left-wing idiots who freak out when they can’t pass their dead white male courses. Many of them aren’t clever enough for college level work, and they’re just trying to guilt trip the test scorers enough so they can leverage their way into school. The whole reason the essay section was invented was to find students whose scores otherwise stank, but who could be used as political tools by the left. The essay section is such a bad idea that it’s almost as if George Soros designed it as a screening tool.

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    Creating the essay section on SATs is one important reason why our colleges are stuffed with SJWers. It was a disastrous idea to have it at all. There’s a parallel between the adoption of the essay on the SATs and the rise in SJWers at our colleges.
     
    You knew this would be the case when they started to re-jigger the SAT because it was biased against the usual suspects (well, yes - those who don't know the answers). An Essay component is subjective (and liable to political manipulation) by definition.
    , @Elli
    My daughter scored fairly low on the SAT essay section the first time she took it. I read the SAT scoring guides and sample highest-score essays, and advised her to include one literary reference, one historical reference, to take a clear side on the prompt and offer three points of supporting evidence, to acknowledge the other side of the argument - mention it, counter it briefly, move on. The next time she scored 800 on the writing section, back when that was a separate score.

    There's a formula - stick to that and you're good. I don't know that politics or even the cogency of the arguments matter that much - the graders are whipping through the essays with a rubric - oh, the schools all love their rubrics.

    SJWs can always identify themselves on their college applications with their activities and essays. And there's Facebook now - I wonder if the schools have have algorithms that scan the applicants' web pages.
    , @Lot
    The essay section degraded the quality of the test and was ignored by most colleges. There is no reasonablly cheap way to grade hundreds of thousands of essays. Writing to grading standard is not good writing.

    It isn't about SJW directly, it is about race. Any type of SAT test question that is both reliable and has lower race gaps is favored.
    , @Jim Christian

    Many of them aren’t clever enough for college level work, and they’re just trying to guilt trip the test scorers enough so they can leverage their way into school. The whole reason the essay section was invented was to find students whose scores otherwise stank, but who could be used as political tools by the left.
     
    Point 1, perfect, Anon. "Not clever enough for college work". Bingo, AND the main symptom of the root of the trouble here. They aren't "College Material". Remember that term? If you weren't college material, the men went into the military, the trades, some pursuit that needed no degree. The women got married. Some became secretaries, THEN got married.

    I think it was financial first. Uni's/colleges got wise 40 years back. They invented B/S degree programs. Programs that weren't too difficult as majors and these programs were unburdened by the sciences kids that weren't college material were incapable of. That way you could get them into college. The essay boosted their SAT enough so that anyone could get into a BS degree that required no math, no science, no languages. I think the initial motivation for unis was always financial. THAT was when the push to force all kids, even the square pegs that weren't college material into the round higher education hole. The only way they COULD do it was to invent "Communications", Human Resources, Humanities, Studies (women, sexual, political science). I'd be willing to bet all the growth in college enrollments the past 40 years was into BS degree programs. In other words, with the greater numbers in college, we didn't get more engineers, doctors, surgeons, great legal minds. What we got was Diploma Mill certificates and ever-greater numbers of EZ-Degree programs.

    That they found these mental midgets useful (affirmative action gave us frustrated, dark, violent ones as well as lots of frustrated girls who weren't college material either) for their political ends later was/is secondary to their financial interest. Their incentive was always financial, inflation of tuition went hand-in-hand with inflation of grades. They got the banks involved, got the government to underwrite the entire scam and no increase in tuition was too much (until recently). Best part is the kids are forced to repay and most of them have a shitty "sciences" degree that has no science whatsoever, nor worth in the market. Pretty good scam. Only way we reverse this disaster is to force universities to underwrite/guarantee the loans that enable the square pegs to get in. If the kids get a shitty education and worthless degree, why isn't Higher Education responsible for their lousy product? Isn't that why after all, they closed Trump University? Conventional university and colleges produce, by and large, a fatally-flawed product and yet they continue on with no penalty. Until they're responsible for their product, this goes on. They have billions in their endowments, they have the resources.

    College Material. It was an excellent measuring stick.

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  67. Welcome back, Lombroso. We saved you a seat.

    I am a 3rd Positionist. Will Skynet be able to detect that from a photo, or would I have to get that gay-looking Richard Spencer haircut?

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  68. Someday, artificial intelligence will have progressed to the dystopian extreme where its assessments of individuals are almost as accurate as those of an Italian grandmother.

    This sounds like a utopia, not a dystopia. We are on the side of reality, remember? (Wrong side of history, right side of reality)

    More accurate and sophisticated AI will generally benefit those on the side of reality.

    It might seem like the leaders of AI + computer vision are companies like Google, Apple, and Facebook who are politically fanatically against us, but _many_ of their engineers feel quite differently. I’m a high skilled software engineer, working for a successful tech startup HQ’d in San Francisco, and I’m fanatical about the Steve Sailer style of politics. There are many of us.

    Anything that exposes or elucidates reality benefits our side, or at least the pure version of our side.

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    I agree. One day the anti-immigration lobby and the anti-life lobby will agree to install these cameras everywhere in order to have perfect identification of personality and trait.

    Everyone will be happy then because everyone who is unhappy will be taken away and be administrated Prozac.

    We will love Big Genderless Sibling.
    , @Rod1963
    It's only utopia for the people at the top. Then again so was Rome and the Ottoman sultanate for the noble class. It sucked at the bottom.

    AI if it arrives will wreck the economy, destroy lives by the tens of millions and enrich a few freaks at the top of they pyramid.

    I just have to look at the tyrannical freaks of Silicon Valley - the Brins, Bezos, Zuckerbergs, Gates and others. They are stunted little men who don't want a nice world, they just want to destroy the America that gave them their wealth by destroying the economic and cultural ladders that made it possible.

    AI in the hands of these creeps will spell the end of Western civilization and of a free people.

    Because their idea of a world is where they are the puppet masters lording over a bunch of docile serfs whom are monitored 7x24x365 so there is no chance for reform, rebellion. AI will be their boot that stomps on the face of humanity forever.
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  69. @black sea
    I was once having coffee with a very attractive, but not very bright, Czech student. She boldly declared that she was pretty smart, and cited her two-digit IQ score. I explained to her that the test was scaled in such a way that 100 was the average, not the highest possible, score. She thought about it for a moment and sighed, without seeming to care too much, "Oh, so maybe I'm not so smart."

    Of course, I was thoroughly charmed.

    My fairest child, I have no song to give you;
    No lark could pipe to skies so dull and gray;
    Yet, ere we part, one lesson I can leave you
    For every day.

    Be good, sweet maid, and let who will be clever;
    Do noble things, not dream them, all day long:
    And so make life, death, and that vast forever
    One grand, sweet song.

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    Born Yesterday

    Tightly-folded bud,
    I have wished you something
    None of the others would:
    Not the usual stuff
    About being beautiful,
    Or running off a spring
    Of innocence and love –
    They will all wish you that,
    And should it prove possible,
    Well, you’re a lucky girl.

    But if it shouldn’t, then
    May you be ordinary;
    Have, like other women,
    An average of talents:
    Not ugly, not good-looking,
    Nothing uncustomary
    To pull you off your balance,
    That, unworkable itself,
    Stops all the rest from working.
    In fact, may you be dull –
    If that is what a skilled,
    Vigilant, flexible,
    Unemphasised, enthralled
    Catching of happiness is called.

     

    Philip Larkin wrote this poem on the occasion of the birth of Sally Amis, daughter of Larkin's friend Kingsley Amis. Unfortunately, Sally died an alcoholic at age 46, which her brother Martin said was longer than anyone who knew her expected her to live.

    Larkin had quite a talent, but you know, misogynist, racist . . .and so into the rubbish bin he goes.

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  70. Fredrik says:
    @Anon
    Ultimate weasel words.

    New renovation of Old fences

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/908274366739345409

    Trump was never going to deliver. Sad

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    I think Trump tried.

    But they broke him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CBqjZX6FjE
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  71. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    I can design a facial recognition program that predicts IQ with fair accuracy without any problem. All I have to do is give 20 more IQ points to anyone that wears glasses.

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    I agree, provided that the program would be able to detect the use of contact lenses.
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  72. @Massimo Heitor

    Someday, artificial intelligence will have progressed to the dystopian extreme where its assessments of individuals are almost as accurate as those of an Italian grandmother.

     

    This sounds like a utopia, not a dystopia. We are on the side of reality, remember? (Wrong side of history, right side of reality)

    More accurate and sophisticated AI will generally benefit those on the side of reality.

    It might seem like the leaders of AI + computer vision are companies like Google, Apple, and Facebook who are politically fanatically against us, but _many_ of their engineers feel quite differently. I'm a high skilled software engineer, working for a successful tech startup HQ'd in San Francisco, and I'm fanatical about the Steve Sailer style of politics. There are many of us.

    Anything that exposes or elucidates reality benefits our side, or at least the pure version of our side.

    I agree. One day the anti-immigration lobby and the anti-life lobby will agree to install these cameras everywhere in order to have perfect identification of personality and trait.

    Everyone will be happy then because everyone who is unhappy will be taken away and be administrated Prozac.

    We will love Big Genderless Sibling.

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    Prozac? You're a bit behind the times on your psychopharm, old son.
    , @RaceRealist88
    Prozac? Oxytocin will be all the rage for "re-education" soon.

    https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2017/09/02/does-exogenous-oxytocin-make-xenophobic-people-non-xenophobic/
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  73. @daniel le mouche
    Nothing to worry about, eh Steve? All a big joke.

    High IQs are most threatening to Big Brother. They might detect bullshit in what they're shovel-fed daily. Even more threatening is integrity, deep morals, deep feeling.
    This gives a fine sense of the future, worldwide. Call it the Indonesia model, or Pol Pot's Cambodia model. Oh, the devastation so easily rendered with the mass anihilation of thoughtful people who possess memory and a soul. Centuries would be too soon a reckoning for any real semblance of recovery of a society and culture. The most real possibility is that these things, and what is good in humanity, will (by design obviously) never recover, ever. It will be for ever and ever a ruling elite and legions of idiotic slaves to run their factories, gulags, and computers.

    High IQs are most threatening to Big Brother. They might detect bullshit in what they’re shovel-fed daily.

    I think it’s more High IQs paired with moral and physical courage.

    High IQ alone leads to the “Clever Sillies” phenomenon – who do you think it is who most readily accepts claims that one can change his or her sex? High IQ types are mostly all on board with the Orwellian nonsense because the powers that be convinced them that it is a further display of their cognitive superiority.

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    High IQ types are mostly all on board with the Orwellian nonsense because the powers that be convinced them that it is a further display of their cognitive superiority.
     
    Yeah, IQ worship alone is usually a backdoor method to self worship. "If everyone was just like me, it would be utopia!"

    Without character and courage, what you get is a)idiots who fill can fill out forms quickly or b)clever criminals.
    , @daniel le mouche
    I can't argue with that, other than to say that IQ tests seem extremely faulty as a measurement of intelligence, and say nothing whatsoever about, say, morals and imagination and creativity. Pretty much completely worthless. Still, if these AI machines can tell (or so they think) what we think and believe, the possibilities for evil are infinite. The Inquisition from our day forward into the future will be, as in the past, a matter of 'correct' thought. And it will serve the same purpose, as it's already beginning to: to be a deterrent to the daring, the truthful, the freethinkers. Now it's 'who's a racist?', 'who's a crypto-Nazi?', who blames Jews, etc. Witness the illegality in much of Europe of denying the Holocaust, that is, of someone's, anyone's, legitimate and logic-based deduction or belief. Ernst Zundel now sits in a German jail after the Canadian govt deported him around five years ago--at that time anyway, freedom of thought and speech was legal in Canada, yet they still collaborated with Germany, positively illegally I'm sure, to make sure that dogged truth seekers and moralists the world over were sent a very strong message about CORRECT THOUGHT, OR ELSE.
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  74. Worthy quote: “There is a price to be paid for fabricating around us a society which is as artificial and mechanized as our own, and this is that we can exist in it only on condition that we adapt ourselves to it. This is our punishment.”

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  75. @Anon
    Creating the essay section on SATs is one important reason why our colleges are stuffed with SJWers. It was a disastrous idea to have it at all. There's a parallel between the adoption of the essay on the SATs and the rise in SJWers at our colleges.

    SJW virtue signalling on the written section is giving every SJWer 800 points they don't deserve and jumping them over the heads of smarter but politically conservative students in college admissions, and this is why our colleges are plagued with so many of these left-wing idiots who freak out when they can't pass their dead white male courses. Many of them aren't clever enough for college level work, and they're just trying to guilt trip the test scorers enough so they can leverage their way into school. The whole reason the essay section was invented was to find students whose scores otherwise stank, but who could be used as political tools by the left. The essay section is such a bad idea that it's almost as if George Soros designed it as a screening tool.

    Creating the essay section on SATs is one important reason why our colleges are stuffed with SJWers. It was a disastrous idea to have it at all. There’s a parallel between the adoption of the essay on the SATs and the rise in SJWers at our colleges.

    You knew this would be the case when they started to re-jigger the SAT because it was biased against the usual suspects (well, yes – those who don’t know the answers). An Essay component is subjective (and liable to political manipulation) by definition.

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  76. @sabril
    Guys like Roosh and Heartiste would probably advise subtracting points from the estimate depending on how cute the waitress was.

    Right. The neg would look something like, “You know, just from your distinct facial features and hearing you talk, I bet that your SAT score was no higher than X. Could be a little lower too but not much lower.”

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    Right. The neg would look something like
     
    Actually, walk that back. A neg, given the disparity that already exists between their stations (food server is basically the lowest status legal AND decent occupation there is), is the wrong direction to go.

    Instead, after giving his spiel about how accurate he is at predicting SAT say-

    "I can tell you got a good score on one of your SAT sections: but it wasn't the one you wanted / it was one that surprised a lot of people."

    The last part doesn't matter so long as it's vague, open-ended, but personalistic. Call it whoroscope/psychic friends with benefits game.
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  77. @Daniel Chieh
    I agree. One day the anti-immigration lobby and the anti-life lobby will agree to install these cameras everywhere in order to have perfect identification of personality and trait.

    Everyone will be happy then because everyone who is unhappy will be taken away and be administrated Prozac.

    We will love Big Genderless Sibling.

    Prozac? You’re a bit behind the times on your psychopharm, old son.

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  78. Me says:

    I’m a waitress at a five star hotel with a high sat score

    My parents are ashamed of me and barely talk to me

    Of course I am about to marry a 6’5 investment banker so one can make the argument that maybe my parents are wrong

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    That depends. Have you looked at the prenup?
    , @ATX Hipster
    Plot twist: he's actually back office, and you're doomed to a life of being merely upper middle class.
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  79. @Dmitry134564
    The significance is not that face analysis programs will become more accurate than human judgements (although they will become so, and in many areas already are so), but that with them you can scan through databases with millions of images in them (which no grandmother could ever do), submit them to administrative categorization and find people who fit whatever characteristic you are looking for. The whole thing is terrifying.

    Yeah but it exists and it can’t be stopped (except maybe by killing enough software engineers and families to make them afraid to work on such projects) so there’s no point in being scared, we might as well figure out how to use it.

    I can think of a few ways /pol/ could do with it like doxing masked antifa or doxing anti-White Twitter accounts.

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    There are other ways to deal with the challenge such as banning the use of AI for certain things. It would be easy to come up with a rationale, but as long as people approach AI with this fatalistic attitude, we'll be stuck with it.
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  80. nebulafox says:
    @27 year old
    >"Oh, so maybe I’m not so smart.”


    To be able to have that realization is a certain and rare kind of smarts.

    It also does wonders for your mental health, really. It took me a long, long time to do it, but I’m glad I did.

    Ever since I accepted that I’m just not all that much of a creative or deep thinker, when I study something that interests me, I do it because it is fun and a good way of spending my time. At the end of the day, if I’m a little less stupid or ignorant than I was when I entered, I win. It’s a lot less pressure than trying to live up to some impossible (at least for me) ideal of being “smart”, you enjoy yourself a lot more, and you are far less at risk for burnout. You also get a little less emotionally attached to your own opinions or biases once you develop an awareness of being mediocre, which means-ironically enough-you tend to develop a certain mental flexibility and willingness to learn.

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  81. kihowi says:

    Jeeeeezus. One of the lamest sides to the alt-right is a yearning for the kind of preposterous linguistic prescriptivism that was already laughed at in the 19th century.

    “You and me” is fine and has been for longer than anyone here has been alive.
    You can totally end a sentence with a preposition.
    “Less people” has been mostly fine for a while now.
    “Hopefully” means “it is to be hoped”, not “full of hope”.
    “Amount” can totally be used for countable quantities.
    “Disinterested” is disappearing.

    If you want a language with rules, learn latin or japanese. English Does. Not. Have. Them. Well, mostly. The only rule is to communicate efficiently, which does not happen when you sound illiterate and pompous at the same time.

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    The only rule is to communicate efficiently, which does not happen when you sound illiterate and pompous at the same time.
     
    Just between you and me, this is exactly the rule of thumb Shakespeare used when he wrote. Except on the days when he was a bit off.

    Given the extensive use of the word "cuckold" and play involving a Jewish person who looked just like Patrick Stewart, Shakespeare was clearly the founding member of the neo-Nazi, totally bigoted alt-right. There were less people in the neo-Nazi groups back then as Twitter didn't amount to much. Unlike today, most were disinterested as it was difficult to explain what a Nazi was, given that they didn't exist yet. Hopefully, that helps.

    , @Marty
    Green Apple Books in SF, a rabidly "progressive" outfit, sells book bags bearing the slogan, "Good Grammar is Sexy."
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  82. Elli says:
    @Anon
    Creating the essay section on SATs is one important reason why our colleges are stuffed with SJWers. It was a disastrous idea to have it at all. There's a parallel between the adoption of the essay on the SATs and the rise in SJWers at our colleges.

    SJW virtue signalling on the written section is giving every SJWer 800 points they don't deserve and jumping them over the heads of smarter but politically conservative students in college admissions, and this is why our colleges are plagued with so many of these left-wing idiots who freak out when they can't pass their dead white male courses. Many of them aren't clever enough for college level work, and they're just trying to guilt trip the test scorers enough so they can leverage their way into school. The whole reason the essay section was invented was to find students whose scores otherwise stank, but who could be used as political tools by the left. The essay section is such a bad idea that it's almost as if George Soros designed it as a screening tool.

    My daughter scored fairly low on the SAT essay section the first time she took it. I read the SAT scoring guides and sample highest-score essays, and advised her to include one literary reference, one historical reference, to take a clear side on the prompt and offer three points of supporting evidence, to acknowledge the other side of the argument – mention it, counter it briefly, move on. The next time she scored 800 on the writing section, back when that was a separate score.

    There’s a formula – stick to that and you’re good. I don’t know that politics or even the cogency of the arguments matter that much – the graders are whipping through the essays with a rubric – oh, the schools all love their rubrics.

    SJWs can always identify themselves on their college applications with their activities and essays. And there’s Facebook now – I wonder if the schools have have algorithms that scan the applicants’ web pages.

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  83. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    People are sharing so much information on Facebook now, face recognition software will be incidental to having a rich profile of American voters, all tied up in a nice little bow for the use of the boy king Zuckerberg.

    This is why all these “demonstrations” across the country for whatever is so laughable. A massive , unprecedented political tsunami is coming, and everyone is arguing over where to put the pool chairs.

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  84. black sea says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Her Game is strong.

    She was Czech; all their Game is strong.

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  85. Ivy says:

    Majority-Minority Report, the next movie.

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  86. Lot says:
    @Anon
    Creating the essay section on SATs is one important reason why our colleges are stuffed with SJWers. It was a disastrous idea to have it at all. There's a parallel between the adoption of the essay on the SATs and the rise in SJWers at our colleges.

    SJW virtue signalling on the written section is giving every SJWer 800 points they don't deserve and jumping them over the heads of smarter but politically conservative students in college admissions, and this is why our colleges are plagued with so many of these left-wing idiots who freak out when they can't pass their dead white male courses. Many of them aren't clever enough for college level work, and they're just trying to guilt trip the test scorers enough so they can leverage their way into school. The whole reason the essay section was invented was to find students whose scores otherwise stank, but who could be used as political tools by the left. The essay section is such a bad idea that it's almost as if George Soros designed it as a screening tool.

    The essay section degraded the quality of the test and was ignored by most colleges. There is no reasonablly cheap way to grade hundreds of thousands of essays. Writing to grading standard is not good writing.

    It isn’t about SJW directly, it is about race. Any type of SAT test question that is both reliable and has lower race gaps is favored.

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    Any type of SAT test question that is both reliable and has lower race gaps is favored.
     
    Isn't that combination something like a unicorn?
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  87. black sea says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    My fairest child, I have no song to give you;
    No lark could pipe to skies so dull and gray;
    Yet, ere we part, one lesson I can leave you
    For every day.

    Be good, sweet maid, and let who will be clever;
    Do noble things, not dream them, all day long:
    And so make life, death, and that vast forever
    One grand, sweet song.
     

    Born Yesterday

    Tightly-folded bud,
    I have wished you something
    None of the others would:
    Not the usual stuff
    About being beautiful,
    Or running off a spring
    Of innocence and love –
    They will all wish you that,
    And should it prove possible,
    Well, you’re a lucky girl.

    But if it shouldn’t, then
    May you be ordinary;
    Have, like other women,
    An average of talents:
    Not ugly, not good-looking,
    Nothing uncustomary
    To pull you off your balance,
    That, unworkable itself,
    Stops all the rest from working.
    In fact, may you be dull –
    If that is what a skilled,
    Vigilant, flexible,
    Unemphasised, enthralled
    Catching of happiness is called.

    Philip Larkin wrote this poem on the occasion of the birth of Sally Amis, daughter of Larkin’s friend Kingsley Amis. Unfortunately, Sally died an alcoholic at age 46, which her brother Martin said was longer than anyone who knew her expected her to live.

    Larkin had quite a talent, but you know, misogynist, racist . . .and so into the rubbish bin he goes.

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    Larkin's "Homage To A Government" catches the early-middle stages of British decline beautifully. As someone else said, poets are prophets.
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  88. Lot says:
    @RCB
    Interesting to consider what kind of information such an algorithm might learn to use.

    Presumably skin tone will provide a lot of cheap information about both politics and IQ, for obvious reasons. Gender, too, will be a bit informative on politics.

    Smaller pieces of information - like how "nerdy" you look - presumably will add to IQ. I've also heard the stereotype that conservative men might look more ... alpha, as it were. Muscular, defined jaw. If there's any truth to that stereotype, machine learning will discover it, statistically.

    I suspect a disheveled man is more likely to be liberal than conservative. etc.

    Lots of small pieces of information that a neural network can accurately synthesize into a single prediction.

    “I suspect a disheveled man is more likely to be liberal than conservative. etc”

    Don’t tell Bannon and Eric Garcetti.

    Proxies of T levels like jaw shape, digit ratio, and build will work better.

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    "Proxies of T levels like ... digit ratio ..."

    Not really.

    The present results are difficult to reconcile with the notion that 2D∶4D is an effective proxy for prenatal androgen exposure; instead, it may more accurately reflect effects of glucocorticoids, or other factors that regulate any of many genes.

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0003216
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  89. black sea says:
    @Jimbo in OPKS
    Was she hot? That's got to be worth a few IQ points.

    She definitely belonged on the right-hand end of the distribution on some sort of a curve.

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  90. Lot says:

    Two young faces

    View post on imgur.com

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  91. @Daniel Chieh
    I agree. One day the anti-immigration lobby and the anti-life lobby will agree to install these cameras everywhere in order to have perfect identification of personality and trait.

    Everyone will be happy then because everyone who is unhappy will be taken away and be administrated Prozac.

    We will love Big Genderless Sibling.
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    You will want to check out this from the excellent alt-right video producer Vertigo Politix

    Chemically Pacifying European Populations
    https://vid.me/nfhHr
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  92. @Lot
    "I suspect a disheveled man is more likely to be liberal than conservative. etc"

    Don't tell Bannon and Eric Garcetti.

    Proxies of T levels like jaw shape, digit ratio, and build will work better.

    “Proxies of T levels like … digit ratio …”

    Not really.

    The present results are difficult to reconcile with the notion that 2D∶4D is an effective proxy for prenatal androgen exposure; instead, it may more accurately reflect effects of glucocorticoids, or other factors that regulate any of many genes.

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0003216

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  93. https://www.amren.com/news/2017/09/rapper-xxxtentacion-sparks-outrage-music-video-showing-hanging-white-child/

    Rapper XXXTentacion Sparks Outrage With Music Video Showing Him Hanging a White Child

    [Editor’s Note: The below video is disgusting and you can’t unsee it. Give some thought as to whether or not you really want to see it before playing it.]

    Calls for white extermination are increasingly out in the open. It has been heading in this direction for 50 years now.

    So it is a good thing that Trump is coming out against White Supremacists.


    Ted Gold and the Jews of Weatherman, Part 1

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/09/14/ted-gold-and-the-jews-of-weatherman-part-1/

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    right ,no time to stop buying guns and ammo!
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  94. Rod1963 says:
    @res

    By the way, a friend of mine likes to tell waitresses at expensive restaurants, after two minutes of chatting about today’s specials, that he thinks he can guess their SAT scores.

    He’s pretty accurate at it.
     
    Have you (or could you) ask him what he uses as his primary clues?

    I would find it especially impressive if he can do this across the entire range (i.e. far away from him).

    I am assuming he uses an adaptive method (like adaptive testing) to hone in on an estimate. It would be especially interesting to know how he differentiates between each level (say 1 level per standard deviation).

    On another note, I think it is interesting to speculate whether facial features or genotype will prove to be the better predictor for characteristics like this.

    There is a distinct possibility the waitresses are humoring the obnoxious egomaniac because they don’t want to be fired.

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  95. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Things happen.

    Maybe criminals should be called ‘dreamers’ too.

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  96. Abe says: • Website
    @Jason Roberts
    Right. The neg would look something like, "You know, just from your distinct facial features and hearing you talk, I bet that your SAT score was no higher than X. Could be a little lower too but not much lower."

    Right. The neg would look something like

    Actually, walk that back. A neg, given the disparity that already exists between their stations (food server is basically the lowest status legal AND decent occupation there is), is the wrong direction to go.

    Instead, after giving his spiel about how accurate he is at predicting SAT say-

    “I can tell you got a good score on one of your SAT sections: but it wasn’t the one you wanted / it was one that surprised a lot of people.”

    The last part doesn’t matter so long as it’s vague, open-ended, but personalistic. Call it whoroscope/psychic friends with benefits game.

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    Call it whoroscope/psychic friends with benefits game.
     
    I don't know about the content portion of that comment, but that last sentence is hilarious!
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  97. @black sea

    Born Yesterday

    Tightly-folded bud,
    I have wished you something
    None of the others would:
    Not the usual stuff
    About being beautiful,
    Or running off a spring
    Of innocence and love –
    They will all wish you that,
    And should it prove possible,
    Well, you’re a lucky girl.

    But if it shouldn’t, then
    May you be ordinary;
    Have, like other women,
    An average of talents:
    Not ugly, not good-looking,
    Nothing uncustomary
    To pull you off your balance,
    That, unworkable itself,
    Stops all the rest from working.
    In fact, may you be dull –
    If that is what a skilled,
    Vigilant, flexible,
    Unemphasised, enthralled
    Catching of happiness is called.

     

    Philip Larkin wrote this poem on the occasion of the birth of Sally Amis, daughter of Larkin's friend Kingsley Amis. Unfortunately, Sally died an alcoholic at age 46, which her brother Martin said was longer than anyone who knew her expected her to live.

    Larkin had quite a talent, but you know, misogynist, racist . . .and so into the rubbish bin he goes.

    Larkin’s “Homage To A Government” catches the early-middle stages of British decline beautifully. As someone else said, poets are prophets.

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  98. tyrone says:
    @anonymous-antimarxist
    https://www.amren.com/news/2017/09/rapper-xxxtentacion-sparks-outrage-music-video-showing-hanging-white-child/

    Rapper XXXTentacion Sparks Outrage With Music Video Showing Him Hanging a White Child

    [Editor’s Note: The below video is disgusting and you can’t unsee it. Give some thought as to whether or not you really want to see it before playing it.]

    https://youtu.be/qku2WZ7aRYw


    Calls for white extermination are increasingly out in the open. It has been heading in this direction for 50 years now.

    So it is a good thing that Trump is coming out against White Supremacists.


    Ted Gold and the Jews of Weatherman, Part 1

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/09/14/ted-gold-and-the-jews-of-weatherman-part-1/

    right ,no time to stop buying guns and ammo!

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  99. AM says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    High IQs are most threatening to Big Brother. They might detect bullshit in what they’re shovel-fed daily.
     
    I think it's more High IQs paired with moral and physical courage.

    High IQ alone leads to the "Clever Sillies" phenomenon - who do you think it is who most readily accepts claims that one can change his or her sex? High IQ types are mostly all on board with the Orwellian nonsense because the powers that be convinced them that it is a further display of their cognitive superiority.

    High IQ types are mostly all on board with the Orwellian nonsense because the powers that be convinced them that it is a further display of their cognitive superiority.

    Yeah, IQ worship alone is usually a backdoor method to self worship. “If everyone was just like me, it would be utopia!”

    Without character and courage, what you get is a)idiots who fill can fill out forms quickly or b)clever criminals.

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  100. Jim w says:

    Your friend is probably using the person’s speech signals more than their looks per se. In my work I have found a moderately strong correlation between articulatory dynamics, inferred from both audio and video while a person is speaking, and cognitive ability.

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  101. Rod1963 says:
    @Massimo Heitor

    Someday, artificial intelligence will have progressed to the dystopian extreme where its assessments of individuals are almost as accurate as those of an Italian grandmother.

     

    This sounds like a utopia, not a dystopia. We are on the side of reality, remember? (Wrong side of history, right side of reality)

    More accurate and sophisticated AI will generally benefit those on the side of reality.

    It might seem like the leaders of AI + computer vision are companies like Google, Apple, and Facebook who are politically fanatically against us, but _many_ of their engineers feel quite differently. I'm a high skilled software engineer, working for a successful tech startup HQ'd in San Francisco, and I'm fanatical about the Steve Sailer style of politics. There are many of us.

    Anything that exposes or elucidates reality benefits our side, or at least the pure version of our side.

    It’s only utopia for the people at the top. Then again so was Rome and the Ottoman sultanate for the noble class. It sucked at the bottom.

    AI if it arrives will wreck the economy, destroy lives by the tens of millions and enrich a few freaks at the top of they pyramid.

    I just have to look at the tyrannical freaks of Silicon Valley – the Brins, Bezos, Zuckerbergs, Gates and others. They are stunted little men who don’t want a nice world, they just want to destroy the America that gave them their wealth by destroying the economic and cultural ladders that made it possible.

    AI in the hands of these creeps will spell the end of Western civilization and of a free people.

    Because their idea of a world is where they are the puppet masters lording over a bunch of docile serfs whom are monitored 7x24x365 so there is no chance for reform, rebellion. AI will be their boot that stomps on the face of humanity forever.

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    I just have to look at the tyrannical freaks of Silicon Valley – the Brins, Bezos, Zuckerbergs,

    Zuckerberg has that Backpfeifengesicht qulity, but Bezos has a weird blank look like some sort of android that almost passes for human.
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  102. AM says:
    @kihowi
    Jeeeeezus. One of the lamest sides to the alt-right is a yearning for the kind of preposterous linguistic prescriptivism that was already laughed at in the 19th century.

    "You and me" is fine and has been for longer than anyone here has been alive.
    You can totally end a sentence with a preposition.
    "Less people" has been mostly fine for a while now.
    "Hopefully" means "it is to be hoped", not "full of hope".
    "Amount" can totally be used for countable quantities.
    "Disinterested" is disappearing.

    If you want a language with rules, learn latin or japanese. English Does. Not. Have. Them. Well, mostly. The only rule is to communicate efficiently, which does not happen when you sound illiterate and pompous at the same time.

    The only rule is to communicate efficiently, which does not happen when you sound illiterate and pompous at the same time.

    Just between you and me, this is exactly the rule of thumb Shakespeare used when he wrote. Except on the days when he was a bit off.

    Given the extensive use of the word “cuckold” and play involving a Jewish person who looked just like Patrick Stewart, Shakespeare was clearly the founding member of the neo-Nazi, totally bigoted alt-right. There were less people in the neo-Nazi groups back then as Twitter didn’t amount to much. Unlike today, most were disinterested as it was difficult to explain what a Nazi was, given that they didn’t exist yet. Hopefully, that helps.

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  103. AnonAnon says:

    I’d be shocked if scanners could figure out my California middle aged mom friends’ political beliefs. From all the crap coming out of their mouths at PTA meetings I would have sworn they were Dems – so many of them were only too thrilled to vote for Obama – but we met for a birthday breakfast after the election and, to my surprise, all seven of us had voted for Trump. Here behind enemy lines in California you kept that vote, and I suspect all futures ones, very close to your vest.

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    'to my surprise, all seven of us had voted for Trump. Here behind enemy lines in California you kept that vote, and I suspect all futures ones, very close to your vest'

    A: Hook, line and sinker.
    Q: How much do 97% of Americans swallow the illusion of meaningful elections?

    That is to say, they don't need to be concerned with your types (Dem or Rep), you're all doing just fine, all's according to plan, bravo.
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  104. TWS says:
    @dsgntd_plyr

    Kosinski’s research is highly controversial, and faced a huge backlash from LGBT rights groups, which argued that the AI was flawed and that anti-LGBT governments could use this type of software to out gay people and persecute them.
     
    i refuse to believe a human adult wrote this sentence

    Well sure if it’s flawed it can be used to….oh, I see. Never mind.

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  105. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Fredrik
    Trump was never going to deliver. Sad

    I think Trump tried.

    But they broke him.

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  106. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    What the system did to Trump.

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  107. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    High IQs are most threatening to Big Brother. They might detect bullshit in what they’re shovel-fed daily.
     
    I think it's more High IQs paired with moral and physical courage.

    High IQ alone leads to the "Clever Sillies" phenomenon - who do you think it is who most readily accepts claims that one can change his or her sex? High IQ types are mostly all on board with the Orwellian nonsense because the powers that be convinced them that it is a further display of their cognitive superiority.

    I can’t argue with that, other than to say that IQ tests seem extremely faulty as a measurement of intelligence, and say nothing whatsoever about, say, morals and imagination and creativity. Pretty much completely worthless. Still, if these AI machines can tell (or so they think) what we think and believe, the possibilities for evil are infinite. The Inquisition from our day forward into the future will be, as in the past, a matter of ‘correct’ thought. And it will serve the same purpose, as it’s already beginning to: to be a deterrent to the daring, the truthful, the freethinkers. Now it’s ‘who’s a racist?’, ‘who’s a crypto-Nazi?’, who blames Jews, etc. Witness the illegality in much of Europe of denying the Holocaust, that is, of someone’s, anyone’s, legitimate and logic-based deduction or belief. Ernst Zundel now sits in a German jail after the Canadian govt deported him around five years ago–at that time anyway, freedom of thought and speech was legal in Canada, yet they still collaborated with Germany, positively illegally I’m sure, to make sure that dogged truth seekers and moralists the world over were sent a very strong message about CORRECT THOUGHT, OR ELSE.

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    More acurately, what is now impossible for the first time, is the emergence of a genuine leader of integrity, one who can stir up the masses to do the right thing. JFK and MLK bookend that quaint idea. What's now impossible is free assembly. Mental masturbation is permitted (i.e. making endless comments, no matter how subversive or radical, on the internet). True organization is verboten, and from now on into the distant future an impossibility. But go ahead, bitch and moan on unz, even facebook. Some on this site like to make manly sounds about 'cucks'. We're all cucks, eunuchs, unmanned, powerless and pathetic. What is right may now officially go to hell. At least we have basketball, football and rap.
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  108. @27 year old
    Yeah but it exists and it can't be stopped (except maybe by killing enough software engineers and families to make them afraid to work on such projects) so there's no point in being scared, we might as well figure out how to use it.

    I can think of a few ways /pol/ could do with it like doxing masked antifa or doxing anti-White Twitter accounts.

    There are other ways to deal with the challenge such as banning the use of AI for certain things. It would be easy to come up with a rationale, but as long as people approach AI with this fatalistic attitude, we’ll be stuck with it.

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  109. Travis says:
    @TelfoedJohn
    My politics have changed over the years - roughly moving from left to right. I wonder how the AI will deal with that? Will it look at the young me and predict that I'm going to go right?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genopolitics

    What happens to the freedom-loving Libertarian when the AI tells him he is a freedom-loving Libertarian? Does his free will cause him to try escape his free will and cause a logic paradox?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6o881n35GU

    good point…in the days of my youth I was a leftist, becoming a libertarian in my early twenties and then a paleo-conservative after having children and turning 40.

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  110. Marty says:
    @kihowi
    Jeeeeezus. One of the lamest sides to the alt-right is a yearning for the kind of preposterous linguistic prescriptivism that was already laughed at in the 19th century.

    "You and me" is fine and has been for longer than anyone here has been alive.
    You can totally end a sentence with a preposition.
    "Less people" has been mostly fine for a while now.
    "Hopefully" means "it is to be hoped", not "full of hope".
    "Amount" can totally be used for countable quantities.
    "Disinterested" is disappearing.

    If you want a language with rules, learn latin or japanese. English Does. Not. Have. Them. Well, mostly. The only rule is to communicate efficiently, which does not happen when you sound illiterate and pompous at the same time.

    Green Apple Books in SF, a rabidly “progressive” outfit, sells book bags bearing the slogan, “Good Grammar is Sexy.”

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  111. Pat Boyle says:
    @TelfoedJohn
    My politics have changed over the years - roughly moving from left to right. I wonder how the AI will deal with that? Will it look at the young me and predict that I'm going to go right?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genopolitics

    What happens to the freedom-loving Libertarian when the AI tells him he is a freedom-loving Libertarian? Does his free will cause him to try escape his free will and cause a logic paradox?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6o881n35GU

    Some of this is in fact old news. There has been a relatively fool proof way of judging IQ and criminality from facial features for many years – even without a computer. It is called race.

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  112. KunioKun says:

    They used an off the shelf facial recognition program to generate features of their labeled images. Then they used these features in logistic regression to create a classifier.

    Logistic regression is like linear regression but instead of mapping your data onto a line, it maps your data onto a “logit” function, which could be thought of as a binary on or off. So for something like this where you have Gay or Not Gay it works good.

    They also used Mechanical Turk to help clean up their image data set. How does amazon get away with having anything called “Turk”? Isn’t that a racial slur?

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  113. @AnonAnon
    I'd be shocked if scanners could figure out my California middle aged mom friends' political beliefs. From all the crap coming out of their mouths at PTA meetings I would have sworn they were Dems - so many of them were only too thrilled to vote for Obama - but we met for a birthday breakfast after the election and, to my surprise, all seven of us had voted for Trump. Here behind enemy lines in California you kept that vote, and I suspect all futures ones, very close to your vest.

    ‘to my surprise, all seven of us had voted for Trump. Here behind enemy lines in California you kept that vote, and I suspect all futures ones, very close to your vest’

    A: Hook, line and sinker.
    Q: How much do 97% of Americans swallow the illusion of meaningful elections?

    That is to say, they don’t need to be concerned with your types (Dem or Rep), you’re all doing just fine, all’s according to plan, bravo.

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    That's very cynical but I wouldn't be totally surprised if true. However, the press sure has been squealing a lot and Soros spending a lot on riots if Trump was truly the elite's candidate all along.
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  114. do they have an app to tell if a hot chick is easy?

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  115. @RaceRealist88
    Prozac? Oxytocin will be all the rage for "re-education" soon.

    https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2017/09/02/does-exogenous-oxytocin-make-xenophobic-people-non-xenophobic/

    You will want to check out this from the excellent alt-right video producer Vertigo Politix

    Chemically Pacifying European Populations

    https://vid.me/nfhHr

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  116. Rod1963 says:

    I take back what I said about AI.

    OT:

    South Park punk Amazon and Google voice activated systems with one of their episodes:

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/south-park-premiere-messes-viewers-amazon-alexa-google-home-1039035

    Will anyone please tell the benefits of having these electronic peeping toms in your house when they respond to anyone’s voice command while connected to the internet and who knows what else. You know Brin and Bezos are selling this stuff.

    Can you imagine these same clowns with facial recognition software and how bad it will be?

    Tech is turning into a absurd joke.

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  117. AnonAnon says:
    @daniel le mouche
    'to my surprise, all seven of us had voted for Trump. Here behind enemy lines in California you kept that vote, and I suspect all futures ones, very close to your vest'

    A: Hook, line and sinker.
    Q: How much do 97% of Americans swallow the illusion of meaningful elections?

    That is to say, they don't need to be concerned with your types (Dem or Rep), you're all doing just fine, all's according to plan, bravo.

    That’s very cynical but I wouldn’t be totally surprised if true. However, the press sure has been squealing a lot and Soros spending a lot on riots if Trump was truly the elite’s candidate all along.

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  118. jim jones says:
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    You're gorge if you're not getting enough iodine in your food because you're unconsciously trying to make up for the deficiency. But low iodine intake in your childhood and teenage years also means you'll have a lower IQ. These two things may have one cause. It's also worth noting that the heavy-weight belt in the US is in the Midwest, which is the farthest from the oceans, and where you can't get fresh seafood straight from ocean water. Soil near the ocean also has a higher iodine content, which means fruits and vegetables grown in that soil have a higher iodine content.
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  119. res says:
    @Lot
    The essay section degraded the quality of the test and was ignored by most colleges. There is no reasonablly cheap way to grade hundreds of thousands of essays. Writing to grading standard is not good writing.

    It isn't about SJW directly, it is about race. Any type of SAT test question that is both reliable and has lower race gaps is favored.

    Any type of SAT test question that is both reliable and has lower race gaps is favored.

    Isn’t that combination something like a unicorn?

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    With so many subjects taking the test and millions of individual data points, you can find question types that each race does slightly better or worse than expected on within each section.
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  120. res says:
    @Abe

    Right. The neg would look something like
     
    Actually, walk that back. A neg, given the disparity that already exists between their stations (food server is basically the lowest status legal AND decent occupation there is), is the wrong direction to go.

    Instead, after giving his spiel about how accurate he is at predicting SAT say-

    "I can tell you got a good score on one of your SAT sections: but it wasn't the one you wanted / it was one that surprised a lot of people."

    The last part doesn't matter so long as it's vague, open-ended, but personalistic. Call it whoroscope/psychic friends with benefits game.

    Call it whoroscope/psychic friends with benefits game.

    I don’t know about the content portion of that comment, but that last sentence is hilarious!

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  121. @daniel le mouche
    I can't argue with that, other than to say that IQ tests seem extremely faulty as a measurement of intelligence, and say nothing whatsoever about, say, morals and imagination and creativity. Pretty much completely worthless. Still, if these AI machines can tell (or so they think) what we think and believe, the possibilities for evil are infinite. The Inquisition from our day forward into the future will be, as in the past, a matter of 'correct' thought. And it will serve the same purpose, as it's already beginning to: to be a deterrent to the daring, the truthful, the freethinkers. Now it's 'who's a racist?', 'who's a crypto-Nazi?', who blames Jews, etc. Witness the illegality in much of Europe of denying the Holocaust, that is, of someone's, anyone's, legitimate and logic-based deduction or belief. Ernst Zundel now sits in a German jail after the Canadian govt deported him around five years ago--at that time anyway, freedom of thought and speech was legal in Canada, yet they still collaborated with Germany, positively illegally I'm sure, to make sure that dogged truth seekers and moralists the world over were sent a very strong message about CORRECT THOUGHT, OR ELSE.

    More acurately, what is now impossible for the first time, is the emergence of a genuine leader of integrity, one who can stir up the masses to do the right thing. JFK and MLK bookend that quaint idea. What’s now impossible is free assembly. Mental masturbation is permitted (i.e. making endless comments, no matter how subversive or radical, on the internet). True organization is verboten, and from now on into the distant future an impossibility. But go ahead, bitch and moan on unz, even facebook. Some on this site like to make manly sounds about ‘cucks’. We’re all cucks, eunuchs, unmanned, powerless and pathetic. What is right may now officially go to hell. At least we have basketball, football and rap.

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    Mental masturbation is permitted (i.e. making endless comments, no matter how subversive or radical, on the internet).
     
    Alas, not in the UK it's not. Three or four soldiers got arrested recently on terrorism charges (likely so as to add to the "look: white people are a threat too" stats count) for being members of a banned group.

    One of the men was further charged with "writing comments which could stir up racial hatred", with the comments having been posted at an obscure, far right website.
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  122. anonguy says:

    High IQ alone leads to the “Clever Sillies” phenomenon

    This was well documented during the Korean War with the brainwashing of POW’s by the North/Chinese.

    It is a somewhat shameful and forgotten chapter of American history, turned a lot of guys.

    Anyhow, turns out the more educated the prisoner, the easier he was to brainwash by North Korean handlers.

    Hardest to brainwash were Marines (rednecks all back then), Colombians, and Turks.

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    It's also very likely the smart ones figured out that it was best to act 'converted' as fast as possible to avoid more torture. Ultimately, a torturer can't read your mind.
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  123. It’s strange that nobody has mentioned Apple’s new Face ID technology yet. Some day you’ll try to open your phone but instead Siri will pop up and chide you for being a racist.

    https://www.wired.com/story/iphone-x-faceid-security/

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  124. Lot says:
    @res

    Any type of SAT test question that is both reliable and has lower race gaps is favored.
     
    Isn't that combination something like a unicorn?

    With so many subjects taking the test and millions of individual data points, you can find question types that each race does slightly better or worse than expected on within each section.

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    The "slightly" makes it more understandable. Any idea if the differences they are seeing are persistent or are they just picking up statistical noise?
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  125. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anonguy

    High IQ alone leads to the “Clever Sillies” phenomenon
     
    This was well documented during the Korean War with the brainwashing of POW's by the North/Chinese.

    It is a somewhat shameful and forgotten chapter of American history, turned a lot of guys.

    Anyhow, turns out the more educated the prisoner, the easier he was to brainwash by North Korean handlers.

    Hardest to brainwash were Marines (rednecks all back then), Colombians, and Turks.

    It’s also very likely the smart ones figured out that it was best to act ‘converted’ as fast as possible to avoid more torture. Ultimately, a torturer can’t read your mind.

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  126. Not Raul says:
    @Light Roast

    By the way, a friend of mine likes to tell waitresses at expensive restaurants, after two minutes of chatting about today’s specials, that he thinks he can guess their SAT scores.

    He’s pretty accurate at it.
     
    The customer is always right. Especially at expensive restaurants, where the waitresses are working for tips.

    Customer: You got a 1050 on your SAT.
    Waitress: Wow! You’re such a smart guy. I wish I could be as smart as you!

    Customer: You got a 1500 on your SAT.
    Waitress: I guess that’s why I like you. We have a lot in common.

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  127. Not Raul says:
    @Me
    I'm a waitress at a five star hotel with a high sat score

    My parents are ashamed of me and barely talk to me

    Of course I am about to marry a 6'5 investment banker so one can make the argument that maybe my parents are wrong

    That depends. Have you looked at the prenup?

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  128. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @jim jones
    I have always regarded BMI as a good indicator of intelligence:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1531487/The-greater-your-weight-the-lower-your-IQ-say-scientists.html

    You’re gorge if you’re not getting enough iodine in your food because you’re unconsciously trying to make up for the deficiency. But low iodine intake in your childhood and teenage years also means you’ll have a lower IQ. These two things may have one cause. It’s also worth noting that the heavy-weight belt in the US is in the Midwest, which is the farthest from the oceans, and where you can’t get fresh seafood straight from ocean water. Soil near the ocean also has a higher iodine content, which means fruits and vegetables grown in that soil have a higher iodine content.

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    fwiw I take lugol's each morning. I know the best supplier.
    , @Olorin
    Add ground dulse to your salt shaker, or use it alone as a seasoning. North Atlantic is best. We put flaked dulse in all our soups and stews; it thickens the stock slightly.

    In the waterfront taverns/bars/tap rooms/pubs of the Maritime provinces of Canada, it used to be the case that bowls of dried dulse were set out on the bar for snacking. Less salty than chips, very little carb. I like the flavor and texture far more than kelp.

    http://www.seaveg.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=20

    Not a commercial plug, just a chance to see the variety of ways Fundyland and North Atlantic sea veg farmers make it available. It's a great way to rebalance our biochemical/metabolic inner sea from the depradations of years of landed and hive life.

    I knew a Fundy fisherman who put dulse or other sea veg flakes in his lapsang souchong.

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  129. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Tech companies have problems trying to figure out how smart potential new hires are. Testing your IQ or asking for your SAT scores might get them into trouble with laws designed to protect against discrimination. So they want software to read your face (and to employ it without your knowledge or the government’s knowledge ) to tip the scales in favor of the smarter potential hires. Also, reading your IQ from your face saves their aspy personal department employees from the horrible strain of having to talk to you at length to figure out how smart you are.

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  130. Someday, artificial intelligence will have progressed to the dystopian extreme where its assessments of individuals are almost as accurate as those of an Italian grandmother.

    “God damn Christopher Columbus.”

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  131. @spandrell
    After all this years of Roissy and people still think that the way to pick up a waitress is by flattering her.

    Given their relative social rank, Steve’s friend’s query is an automatic “neg,” no matter what the actual score. I wonder if the rich programmer ever brought up SAT scores to a cop who pulled him over …

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    Sailer:

    Of course, he personally has a high 4 digit SAT score himself and has earned an 8 or 9 figure net worth in the tech business. Could he program a computer to guess as well as he can?
     
    Waaaiit a minute! Steve, is it Unz?

    And does he reveal his own score to the waitresses?
    , @Harry Baldwin
    I wonder if the rich programmer ever brought up SAT scores to a cop who pulled him over

    On the first episode of the Sarah Silverman Show, a cop pulls her over for reckless driving.

    COP: Ma'am, do you know why I'm standing here?
    SARAH: You got all C's in high school?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4XePPkTdCU
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  132. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Given their relative social rank, Steve’s friend’s query is an automatic “neg,” no matter what the actual score. I wonder if the rich programmer ever brought up SAT scores to a cop who pulled him over …

    Sailer:

    Of course, he personally has a high 4 digit SAT score himself and has earned an 8 or 9 figure net worth in the tech business. Could he program a computer to guess as well as he can?

    Waaaiit a minute! Steve, is it Unz?

    And does he reveal his own score to the waitresses?

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    Steve, is it Unz?

    No.
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  133. res says:
    @Lot
    With so many subjects taking the test and millions of individual data points, you can find question types that each race does slightly better or worse than expected on within each section.

    The “slightly” makes it more understandable. Any idea if the differences they are seeing are persistent or are they just picking up statistical noise?

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  134. Old fogey says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    By the way, a friend of mine likes to tell waitresses at expensive restaurants, after two minutes of chatting about today’s specials, that he thinks he can guess their SAT scores.

     

    The sad thing is, those waitresses probably finished college years ago.

    Perfect response, Mr. Mohawk!

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  135. Clyde says:
    @Dieter Kief

    So physiognomy is real after all?
     
    Maybe a tad less real than Italian (or German) grandmothers.

    My wife loves the story of the German grandmother and restaurant-owner, whom she got to know, when she worked as a waitress (no - I'm not going to tell here, how I got her digits) - ok: This grandmother was tired and really old, but she still sat behind the counter in her quite busy "Mainau-Blick" restaurant day in day out, and what she did was: She loved to predict, what the customers would want to order. When a family enteredd the room, she would at times go: Two steaks, one Steak Hawai, and two times the Bodensee-Menue...

    She liked to play this game, because nobody could beat the accuracy of her predictions.

    Good story. One day I would like to eat your famous roasted pig’s knuckle in Germany. With some non pasteurized dark German beer, from the tap of course. The darker the better.

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    One day I would like to eat your famous roasted pig’s knuckle in Germany. With some non pasteurized dark German beer, from the tap of course. The darker the better.
     
    Sounds like a reasonable plan to me. Try Bamberg and it's region: Franken. There's a good number of great small breweries. And good roasted pig' knuckles, too, I guarantee. Ehhh - it does make sense to look for restaurants which serve local/ biologically raised pigs. Rent bikes, if you like. It's the best way, to come across lots of breweries without having to restrict one's drinking-capacity too badly.
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  136. Old fogey says:
    @Anon
    I can design a facial recognition program that predicts IQ with fair accuracy without any problem. All I have to do is give 20 more IQ points to anyone that wears glasses.

    I agree, provided that the program would be able to detect the use of contact lenses.

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    ...20 more IQ points to anyone that wears glasses.
     

    ...provided that the program would be able to detect the use of contact lenses.
     
    You'd have to add another twenty points for people who have had LASIK eye surgery....and perhaps another twenty on top of that for those pioneers who had Radial Keratotomy before LASIK existed.

    RK, performed by hand with diamond scalpels (while you were awake!) was a great life improver for those of us who went for it, as LASIK is today. It instantly made us look less intelligent, but somehow females found us to be instantly more desirable candidates for mating.

    Of course, these things can't be detected by face recognition programs.

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  137. Clyde says:
    @Anon
    You're gorge if you're not getting enough iodine in your food because you're unconsciously trying to make up for the deficiency. But low iodine intake in your childhood and teenage years also means you'll have a lower IQ. These two things may have one cause. It's also worth noting that the heavy-weight belt in the US is in the Midwest, which is the farthest from the oceans, and where you can't get fresh seafood straight from ocean water. Soil near the ocean also has a higher iodine content, which means fruits and vegetables grown in that soil have a higher iodine content.

    fwiw I take lugol’s each morning. I know the best supplier.

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  138. J1234 says:
    @Light Roast

    By the way, a friend of mine likes to tell waitresses at expensive restaurants, after two minutes of chatting about today’s specials, that he thinks he can guess their SAT scores.

    He’s pretty accurate at it.
     
    The customer is always right. Especially at expensive restaurants, where the waitresses are working for tips.

    He’s pretty accurate at it.

    The customer is always right. Especially at expensive restaurants, where the waitresses are working for tips.

    Exactly. I wonder if Steve’s high SAT/salary friend has made that connection yet. I’d suggest that the means of assessing “accuracy” is a little less than scientific (unless he’s creepy and hacks into personal info. ) OTOH, some people are just good at reading other people.

    With Kosinski’s “gaydar” AI, an algorithm used online dating photos to create a program that could correctly identify sexual orientation 91% of the time with men

    Keep in mind, I would be right approximately 96% of the time just by identifying everyone as heterosexual. According to Gallup, homosexuals make up 3.8% of the population.

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  139. dr kill says:
    @daniel le mouche
    Nothing to worry about, eh Steve? All a big joke.

    High IQs are most threatening to Big Brother. They might detect bullshit in what they're shovel-fed daily. Even more threatening is integrity, deep morals, deep feeling.
    This gives a fine sense of the future, worldwide. Call it the Indonesia model, or Pol Pot's Cambodia model. Oh, the devastation so easily rendered with the mass anihilation of thoughtful people who possess memory and a soul. Centuries would be too soon a reckoning for any real semblance of recovery of a society and culture. The most real possibility is that these things, and what is good in humanity, will (by design obviously) never recover, ever. It will be for ever and ever a ruling elite and legions of idiotic slaves to run their factories, gulags, and computers.

    They say Frank Zappa’s IQ was 172.

    http://ultimateclassicrock.com/frank-zappa-death/

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    He did do that great song on SNL about the ooze coming from your t.v. I also much appreciated 'My name is Swaggart, I am an asshole, all my friends, they call me Jim, Haaa Jiiim'. Also 'We're only in it for the money', spoofing the Beatles (though I've never actually listened to it). And the one on Dylan, 'Got some good cave paintings here for you, Bob'.
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  140. Lagertha says:

    haha – this is some kind of lame-ass warning by a guy who wants to be the king of comp sci. Everyone lusts after CONTROL, duh. snore….just came home on a red-eye…that’s why I just want to whack some SJWs…it really bothers me that people are really dumb about what is happening in the world…oh well, I am so alone with these thoughts.

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  141. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    “It’s strange that nobody has mentioned Apple’s new Face ID technology yet”

    Sounds like a great way for the NSA to match a face to your phone number.

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  142. @Old fogey
    I agree, provided that the program would be able to detect the use of contact lenses.

    …20 more IQ points to anyone that wears glasses.

    …provided that the program would be able to detect the use of contact lenses.

    You’d have to add another twenty points for people who have had LASIK eye surgery….and perhaps another twenty on top of that for those pioneers who had Radial Keratotomy before LASIK existed.

    RK, performed by hand with diamond scalpels (while you were awake!) was a great life improver for those of us who went for it, as LASIK is today. It instantly made us look less intelligent, but somehow females found us to be instantly more desirable candidates for mating.

    Of course, these things can’t be detected by face recognition programs.

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  143. @Me
    I'm a waitress at a five star hotel with a high sat score

    My parents are ashamed of me and barely talk to me

    Of course I am about to marry a 6'5 investment banker so one can make the argument that maybe my parents are wrong

    Plot twist: he’s actually back office, and you’re doomed to a life of being merely upper middle class.

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  144. @daniel le mouche
    More acurately, what is now impossible for the first time, is the emergence of a genuine leader of integrity, one who can stir up the masses to do the right thing. JFK and MLK bookend that quaint idea. What's now impossible is free assembly. Mental masturbation is permitted (i.e. making endless comments, no matter how subversive or radical, on the internet). True organization is verboten, and from now on into the distant future an impossibility. But go ahead, bitch and moan on unz, even facebook. Some on this site like to make manly sounds about 'cucks'. We're all cucks, eunuchs, unmanned, powerless and pathetic. What is right may now officially go to hell. At least we have basketball, football and rap.

    Mental masturbation is permitted (i.e. making endless comments, no matter how subversive or radical, on the internet).

    Alas, not in the UK it’s not. Three or four soldiers got arrested recently on terrorism charges (likely so as to add to the “look: white people are a threat too” stats count) for being members of a banned group.

    One of the men was further charged with “writing comments which could stir up racial hatred”, with the comments having been posted at an obscure, far right website.

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    Yes, right you are. I recently made a post on just this, regarding Europe. Ernst Zundel langoring in a German prison after being deported from Canada for daring to speak his mind on the Holocaust. In America, for now, they're pretty content it seems with just blocking, erasing (videos), etc.
    By the way, are you related to Yukio Mishima? A great, if twisted, writer.
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  145. @dr kill
    They say Frank Zappa's IQ was 172.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nllWDc8_9lw

    http://ultimateclassicrock.com/frank-zappa-death/

    He did do that great song on SNL about the ooze coming from your t.v. I also much appreciated ‘My name is Swaggart, I am an asshole, all my friends, they call me Jim, Haaa Jiiim’. Also ‘We’re only in it for the money’, spoofing the Beatles (though I’ve never actually listened to it). And the one on Dylan, ‘Got some good cave paintings here for you, Bob’.

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  146. @Mishima Zaibatsu

    Mental masturbation is permitted (i.e. making endless comments, no matter how subversive or radical, on the internet).
     
    Alas, not in the UK it's not. Three or four soldiers got arrested recently on terrorism charges (likely so as to add to the "look: white people are a threat too" stats count) for being members of a banned group.

    One of the men was further charged with "writing comments which could stir up racial hatred", with the comments having been posted at an obscure, far right website.

    Yes, right you are. I recently made a post on just this, regarding Europe. Ernst Zundel langoring in a German prison after being deported from Canada for daring to speak his mind on the Holocaust. In America, for now, they’re pretty content it seems with just blocking, erasing (videos), etc.
    By the way, are you related to Yukio Mishima? A great, if twisted, writer.

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  147. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Sailer:

    Of course, he personally has a high 4 digit SAT score himself and has earned an 8 or 9 figure net worth in the tech business. Could he program a computer to guess as well as he can?
     
    Waaaiit a minute! Steve, is it Unz?

    And does he reveal his own score to the waitresses?

    Steve, is it Unz?

    No.

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  148. @Anon
    Creating the essay section on SATs is one important reason why our colleges are stuffed with SJWers. It was a disastrous idea to have it at all. There's a parallel between the adoption of the essay on the SATs and the rise in SJWers at our colleges.

    SJW virtue signalling on the written section is giving every SJWer 800 points they don't deserve and jumping them over the heads of smarter but politically conservative students in college admissions, and this is why our colleges are plagued with so many of these left-wing idiots who freak out when they can't pass their dead white male courses. Many of them aren't clever enough for college level work, and they're just trying to guilt trip the test scorers enough so they can leverage their way into school. The whole reason the essay section was invented was to find students whose scores otherwise stank, but who could be used as political tools by the left. The essay section is such a bad idea that it's almost as if George Soros designed it as a screening tool.

    Many of them aren’t clever enough for college level work, and they’re just trying to guilt trip the test scorers enough so they can leverage their way into school. The whole reason the essay section was invented was to find students whose scores otherwise stank, but who could be used as political tools by the left.

    Point 1, perfect, Anon. “Not clever enough for college work”. Bingo, AND the main symptom of the root of the trouble here. They aren’t “College Material”. Remember that term? If you weren’t college material, the men went into the military, the trades, some pursuit that needed no degree. The women got married. Some became secretaries, THEN got married.

    I think it was financial first. Uni’s/colleges got wise 40 years back. They invented B/S degree programs. Programs that weren’t too difficult as majors and these programs were unburdened by the sciences kids that weren’t college material were incapable of. That way you could get them into college. The essay boosted their SAT enough so that anyone could get into a BS degree that required no math, no science, no languages. I think the initial motivation for unis was always financial. THAT was when the push to force all kids, even the square pegs that weren’t college material into the round higher education hole. The only way they COULD do it was to invent “Communications”, Human Resources, Humanities, Studies (women, sexual, political science). I’d be willing to bet all the growth in college enrollments the past 40 years was into BS degree programs. In other words, with the greater numbers in college, we didn’t get more engineers, doctors, surgeons, great legal minds. What we got was Diploma Mill certificates and ever-greater numbers of EZ-Degree programs.

    That they found these mental midgets useful (affirmative action gave us frustrated, dark, violent ones as well as lots of frustrated girls who weren’t college material either) for their political ends later was/is secondary to their financial interest. Their incentive was always financial, inflation of tuition went hand-in-hand with inflation of grades. They got the banks involved, got the government to underwrite the entire scam and no increase in tuition was too much (until recently). Best part is the kids are forced to repay and most of them have a shitty “sciences” degree that has no science whatsoever, nor worth in the market. Pretty good scam. Only way we reverse this disaster is to force universities to underwrite/guarantee the loans that enable the square pegs to get in. If the kids get a shitty education and worthless degree, why isn’t Higher Education responsible for their lousy product? Isn’t that why after all, they closed Trump University? Conventional university and colleges produce, by and large, a fatally-flawed product and yet they continue on with no penalty. Until they’re responsible for their product, this goes on. They have billions in their endowments, they have the resources.

    College Material. It was an excellent measuring stick.

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  149. Mr. Anon says:
    @TelfoedJohn
    My politics have changed over the years - roughly moving from left to right. I wonder how the AI will deal with that? Will it look at the young me and predict that I'm going to go right?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genopolitics

    What happens to the freedom-loving Libertarian when the AI tells him he is a freedom-loving Libertarian? Does his free will cause him to try escape his free will and cause a logic paradox?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6o881n35GU

    What happens to the freedom-loving Libertarian when the AI tells him he is a freedom-loving Libertarian? Does his free will cause him to try escape his free will and cause a logic paradox?

    That’s funny. Good point.

    As you said, and as have happened to a lot of people, my politics have changed a lot over the years.

    20 years ago, I would never even admit to frequenting a site such as iSteve, whereas now……………….
    I would never even admit to frequenting a site such as iSteve………………….But for a different reason.

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  150. This is not AI. I’m tired of the mislabeling that presents Big Data as “Artificial Intelligence.” This is just training sophisticated algorithms to sort Big Data. Real AI to our knowledge doesn’t yet exist. A true AI may one day decide, for its own reasons, to identify homos or dwarfs or whatever, and then to act (or not) on that identification. “AI” is used here for the sole purpose of scaring people.

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    Good point.

    What is the theoretical basis for linking facial features to political ideology? I doubt that there is one, other than most of the correlation being due to identity factors (race, sexual orientation, sex), and perhaps some personality types that people signal (e.g., nerd, disheveled, tattoo, sexual orientation again) and then any possibility to discern differences in ideology disappearing when you control for these things.

    Does this program simply start with millions of control cases -- i.e., data input into the algorithm labeling each face with its identified political orientation -- and then data-mine to predict outcomes for new cases? If so, then that is not AI. All data mining is spurious when it isn't accompanied as a starting point by a legitimate scientific theory for why any relationship between variables and outputs should exist.

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  151. @Patrick Harris
    I wouldn't be surprised if facial physiognomy per se were a predictor of ideology or partisan identification, but on an individual basis I'm not sure how one would control for race.

    I.e., many blacks have wide noses, but the fact that most blacks are Democrats doesn't tell us much about whether wide noses correlate with liberalism in other groups. Given how strongly political alignment can be predicted by a host of demographic factors, not only race, but also age, region, etc., I don't see how this can be that strongly predictive (unless all they really mean is that the AI can discern your age, race, and sex and extrapolate from there).

    You finally got a hold of all the secrets behind intelligent machines. Looks like,a t least.

    (Sorry – I’m in a playful mood)

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  152. Mokiki says:

    Will AI be able to profile – er- detect illegal aliens?

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  153. @Clyde
    Good story. One day I would like to eat your famous roasted pig's knuckle in Germany. With some non pasteurized dark German beer, from the tap of course. The darker the better.

    One day I would like to eat your famous roasted pig’s knuckle in Germany. With some non pasteurized dark German beer, from the tap of course. The darker the better.

    Sounds like a reasonable plan to me. Try Bamberg and it’s region: Franken. There’s a good number of great small breweries. And good roasted pig’ knuckles, too, I guarantee. Ehhh – it does make sense to look for restaurants which serve local/ biologically raised pigs. Rent bikes, if you like. It’s the best way, to come across lots of breweries without having to restrict one’s drinking-capacity too badly.

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    From here in America my impression is that all German pigs are raised better than is done in the US. Love or hate the EU, they seem to have strict rules on feeding pigs and cattle. No growth hormones and so on/ So perhaps the biologically raised German pigs are even better/
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  154. MrLiberty says:

    NO technology is a bad thing in and of itself. The problems arise when the tyrannical governments that we ALL suffer under, use these technologies against us to further oppress us, imprison us, destroy our identities, further destroy our freedoms, etc. The solution is to rid our society of government institutions (in a peaceful manner of course) so that nobody can wield that kind of power over us ever again.

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  155. Using photos, AI will be able to identify people’s political views, whether they have high IQs, whether they are predisposed to criminal behavior, whether they have specific personality traits and many other private, personal details that could carry huge social consequences…

    What could possibly go wrong?

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  156. Olorin says:
    @Tarrou
    If this technology keeps up, why, they'll be able to guess your sex from a picture pretty soon, with a very high degree of reliability!

    Can we then dox and destroy the machines for Assuming Someone’s Gender?

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  157. Olorin says:
    @Anon
    You're gorge if you're not getting enough iodine in your food because you're unconsciously trying to make up for the deficiency. But low iodine intake in your childhood and teenage years also means you'll have a lower IQ. These two things may have one cause. It's also worth noting that the heavy-weight belt in the US is in the Midwest, which is the farthest from the oceans, and where you can't get fresh seafood straight from ocean water. Soil near the ocean also has a higher iodine content, which means fruits and vegetables grown in that soil have a higher iodine content.

    Add ground dulse to your salt shaker, or use it alone as a seasoning. North Atlantic is best. We put flaked dulse in all our soups and stews; it thickens the stock slightly.

    In the waterfront taverns/bars/tap rooms/pubs of the Maritime provinces of Canada, it used to be the case that bowls of dried dulse were set out on the bar for snacking. Less salty than chips, very little carb. I like the flavor and texture far more than kelp.

    http://www.seaveg.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=20

    Not a commercial plug, just a chance to see the variety of ways Fundyland and North Atlantic sea veg farmers make it available. It’s a great way to rebalance our biochemical/metabolic inner sea from the depradations of years of landed and hive life.

    I knew a Fundy fisherman who put dulse or other sea veg flakes in his lapsang souchong.

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    Hasn't everybody been using iodized salt for ages?
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  158. Clyde says:
    @Dieter Kief

    One day I would like to eat your famous roasted pig’s knuckle in Germany. With some non pasteurized dark German beer, from the tap of course. The darker the better.
     
    Sounds like a reasonable plan to me. Try Bamberg and it's region: Franken. There's a good number of great small breweries. And good roasted pig' knuckles, too, I guarantee. Ehhh - it does make sense to look for restaurants which serve local/ biologically raised pigs. Rent bikes, if you like. It's the best way, to come across lots of breweries without having to restrict one's drinking-capacity too badly.

    From here in America my impression is that all German pigs are raised better than is done in the US. Love or hate the EU, they seem to have strict rules on feeding pigs and cattle. No growth hormones and so on/ So perhaps the biologically raised German pigs are even better/

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    No growth hormones and so on/ So perhaps the biologically raised German pigs are even better/
     
    Yes indeed. They come close to the half wild ones held in the Corsican mountain's oak-woods.
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  159. @Rod1963
    It's only utopia for the people at the top. Then again so was Rome and the Ottoman sultanate for the noble class. It sucked at the bottom.

    AI if it arrives will wreck the economy, destroy lives by the tens of millions and enrich a few freaks at the top of they pyramid.

    I just have to look at the tyrannical freaks of Silicon Valley - the Brins, Bezos, Zuckerbergs, Gates and others. They are stunted little men who don't want a nice world, they just want to destroy the America that gave them their wealth by destroying the economic and cultural ladders that made it possible.

    AI in the hands of these creeps will spell the end of Western civilization and of a free people.

    Because their idea of a world is where they are the puppet masters lording over a bunch of docile serfs whom are monitored 7x24x365 so there is no chance for reform, rebellion. AI will be their boot that stomps on the face of humanity forever.

    I just have to look at the tyrannical freaks of Silicon Valley – the Brins, Bezos, Zuckerbergs,

    Zuckerberg has that Backpfeifengesicht qulity, but Bezos has a weird blank look like some sort of android that almost passes for human.

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  160. @pudnin tane
    do they have an app to tell if a hot chick is easy?

    They still have to rely on tattoos and cigarette smoking for that.

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  161. The Antifa folks seem to have a unique ‘look’:

    http://ijr.com/the-declaration/2017/09/963785-antifa-thugs-never-want-see-faces-lets-share-sad-mug-shots/

    Lots of oddly shaped low foreheads.

    I wonder which group – political or religious – is the most ‘regular’ looking? Mormons?

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  162. @Clyde
    From here in America my impression is that all German pigs are raised better than is done in the US. Love or hate the EU, they seem to have strict rules on feeding pigs and cattle. No growth hormones and so on/ So perhaps the biologically raised German pigs are even better/

    No growth hormones and so on/ So perhaps the biologically raised German pigs are even better/

    Yes indeed. They come close to the half wild ones held in the Corsican mountain’s oak-woods.

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    Acorn fed pigs are supposed to be the best and taste the best. Fed acorns in season of course. Can you imagine the kind of digestive system and teeth these pigs have to thrive on acorns? Amazing.
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  163. Clyde says:
    @Dieter Kief

    No growth hormones and so on/ So perhaps the biologically raised German pigs are even better/
     
    Yes indeed. They come close to the half wild ones held in the Corsican mountain's oak-woods.

    Acorn fed pigs are supposed to be the best and taste the best. Fed acorns in season of course. Can you imagine the kind of digestive system and teeth these pigs have to thrive on acorns? Amazing.

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  164. Pat Boyle says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Bad News: Skynet is real.

    Good News: Its a Trump supporter.

    The take over by the machines will not come as it did in the movies. It will come when your iPhone first tells you to cancel that outing with your drinking buddies and attend this conference instead.

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  165. Pete22 says:

    This is sort of interesting, because the implication is that the physiology of my face changed after I woke up and switched from a lifelong democrat to a a reactionary (for lack of a better term).

    Also, I’ll be curious as to when AI will be able to pick up on the sardonic nature of some blog comments.

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  166. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Given their relative social rank, Steve’s friend’s query is an automatic “neg,” no matter what the actual score. I wonder if the rich programmer ever brought up SAT scores to a cop who pulled him over …

    I wonder if the rich programmer ever brought up SAT scores to a cop who pulled him over

    On the first episode of the Sarah Silverman Show, a cop pulls her over for reckless driving.

    COP: Ma’am, do you know why I’m standing here?
    SARAH: You got all C’s in high school?

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    I wonder if Silverman (or her writers) had previously heard of this case.
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  167. whoever says: • Website
    @Sunbeam
    "By the way, a friend of mine likes to tell waitresses at expensive restaurants, after two minutes of chatting about today’s specials, that he thinks he can guess their SAT scores."

    Wow.

    Has he ever heard:

    "You know, I bet I can guess how much of a prick you are. Since I've also guessed how much of a tip you are likely to leave, let's not even have this conversation. Give a hand gesture when you want something else to drink."

    Or I guess that kind of thing only happens at Waffle House. The kind of place you are talking about, a snowflake (and I'm sure your friend is a snowflake, even if he isn't a SJW), the snowflake whines to management (also snowflakes) and gets the waitress fired for the same effrontery your friend showed.

    I wonder if Steve’s friend is able to guess how many waitress boogers he’s eaten.

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  168. Sounds like digital phrenology.

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  169. @Harry Baldwin
    I wonder if the rich programmer ever brought up SAT scores to a cop who pulled him over

    On the first episode of the Sarah Silverman Show, a cop pulls her over for reckless driving.

    COP: Ma'am, do you know why I'm standing here?
    SARAH: You got all C's in high school?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4XePPkTdCU

    I wonder if Silverman (or her writers) had previously heard of this case.

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  170. RSDB says:
    @Olorin
    Add ground dulse to your salt shaker, or use it alone as a seasoning. North Atlantic is best. We put flaked dulse in all our soups and stews; it thickens the stock slightly.

    In the waterfront taverns/bars/tap rooms/pubs of the Maritime provinces of Canada, it used to be the case that bowls of dried dulse were set out on the bar for snacking. Less salty than chips, very little carb. I like the flavor and texture far more than kelp.

    http://www.seaveg.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=20

    Not a commercial plug, just a chance to see the variety of ways Fundyland and North Atlantic sea veg farmers make it available. It's a great way to rebalance our biochemical/metabolic inner sea from the depradations of years of landed and hive life.

    I knew a Fundy fisherman who put dulse or other sea veg flakes in his lapsang souchong.

    Hasn’t everybody been using iodized salt for ages?

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  171. EdwardM says:
    @Stan d Mute
    This is not AI. I'm tired of the mislabeling that presents Big Data as "Artificial Intelligence." This is just training sophisticated algorithms to sort Big Data. Real AI to our knowledge doesn't yet exist. A true AI may one day decide, for its own reasons, to identify homos or dwarfs or whatever, and then to act (or not) on that identification. "AI" is used here for the sole purpose of scaring people.

    Good point.

    What is the theoretical basis for linking facial features to political ideology? I doubt that there is one, other than most of the correlation being due to identity factors (race, sexual orientation, sex), and perhaps some personality types that people signal (e.g., nerd, disheveled, tattoo, sexual orientation again) and then any possibility to discern differences in ideology disappearing when you control for these things.

    Does this program simply start with millions of control cases — i.e., data input into the algorithm labeling each face with its identified political orientation — and then data-mine to predict outcomes for new cases? If so, then that is not AI. All data mining is spurious when it isn’t accompanied as a starting point by a legitimate scientific theory for why any relationship between variables and outputs should exist.

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  172. wren says:

    Your friend sounds just like a guy I once went out drinking with.

    We challenged each other to guess ethnicities of folks in the bar.

    I think he made it a point to discuss this with the waitress.

    I got too drunk too remember how wrong or right people said we were.

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  173. Veracitor says:

    The Verge reports on this (computer gaydar) story, and links to a startup company called Faceception that claims it can computer-recognize all sorts of things from faces:

    The amusing thing is Faceception’s assertion that “High IQ” and “Academic Researcher” are disjoint groups. The High IQ group is composed of highbrow white men, and the Academic Researcher group is composed of bighaired black women. The graphic is so politically-correct that it seems politically-incorrect as well (can’t black women have high IQ?).

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