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From the Yale Alumni Magazine:

ARTS & CULTURE
Reviews: May/June 2018
Books on Trumpism, gender in the workplace, and Silicon Valley.

Trumpocracy: The Corruption of the American Republic
David Frum ’82, ’82MA
HarperCollins, $25.99
Reviewed by David Greenberg ’90

David Greenberg ’90, a historian at Rutgers University, is the author, most recently, of Republic of Spin.

Has any group of thinkers stood faster in defense of its principles since the rise of Donald Trump than the neoconservatives? A decade ago, when the political right had fallen on hard times, the neocons were derided by almost everyone for furnishing an intellectual rationale for the invasion of Iraq by George W. Bush ’68. But since 2016, neoconservatives—practically alone on their side of the aisle—have consistently opposed Trump for the damage they see him doing. Writers like Max Boot ’92MA, Eliot Cohen, Jennifer Rubin, James Kirchick ’06, Bret Stephens, Cathy Young, and Bill Kristol have resisted the pressures of tribalism at a moment when few dare to leave their partisan tents.

In the Current Year, are Members of the Tribe as witty as they used to be? Their current moral panic over “tribalism” is a particularly funny example of today’s Jews not getting the joke. An increasing number seem cluelessly humorless, but it’s a hard question to measure objectively.

 
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  1. Frum, Boot, Cohen, Rubin, Kirchick, Stephens, Young, and Kristol

    I thought the supergroup fad died out in the ’70s. Didn’t they open at Woodstock? Or was it Isle of Wight or Watkins Glen?

  2. Is Yale Alumni Magazine dogwhistling? I find it hard to believe anyone could be this clueless. Having said that…it *is* Yale.

  3. As a Legacy American, I would very strongly support a new RICO Act targeting this journalistic Kosher Nostra.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  4. I love the Jews on our side, but good God, the rest of the Tribe are too stupid to know even ‘siccem.’

  5. ATBOTL says:

    Boomer movement conservatives, like Freepers, are still genuinely not noticing this stuff.

  6. Unbelievable lack of self awareness. Which is why it’s more than likely these people are deliberately dishonest about their motives.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  7. Anon[190] • Disclaimer says:

    Watch out Steve, you’ll be getting a nasty tweet from Podohoretz if you keep this up.

  8. Dan Hayes says:

    Steve,

    This book review is a heady mix of entitlement, hubris, arrogance and condescension. This is the neoconservative project all wrapped up in one neat package via the Yale Alumni Magazine.

  9. ‘…Writers like Max Boot ’92MA, Eliot Cohen, Jennifer Rubin, James Kirchick ’06, Bret Stephens, Cathy Young, and Bill Kristol…’

    These writers are all Jewish. Somebody needs to tell dude — always stick in a token gentile.

    • Agree: Anonym
    • LOL: Rosie
    • Replies: @Barnard
  10. Jack D says:

    Can “people who are consistently wrong about everything” be defined as a tribe? This is actually a highly valuable skill because all you have to do is do the opposite of whatever they are recommending and you’ll come out good, like short selling a stock. People who are making random guesses sometime guess right by accident but it takes a special skill to be wrong ALL THE TIME.

    • Replies: @snorlax
  11. Tiny Duck says:

    What if what they said isn’t true?

    It is quite evident that whites are acting selfishludey sbd tribally. How is this even in dispute?

    You should be thankful that some conservatives are standing against white supremacy and privilege. They are showing people and People if Color that some conservatives are decent

  12. Lot says:

    “are Members of the Tribe as witty as they used to be”

    As evidence for the negative, a four paragraph capsule book review in an alumni magazine?

    Recent top tv comedy:

    Roseanne – Jewish creator
    Big Bang Theory – Chuck Lorre, Jewish
    Young Sheldon – spin off of Big Bang
    Modern Family – one of two creators is Jewish
    Brooklyn 99 – both creators Jewish
    Simpsons – Groening is German/Norwegian, Brooks and Simon are Jewish
    Family Guy – lead MacFarlane is British/Irish, Zuckerman is Jewish
    South Park – not Jewish
    Always Sunny – not Jewish
    The Goldbergs – Jewish
    Mom – another Chuck Lorre sitcom
    The Good Place – Jewish lead creator

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Anon
    , @Svigor
    , @hmmm
    , @Dumbo
  13. JimB says:

    Members of the Tribe used to come up with such zingers as “Take my wife, please.” I suspect the decline of the Tribe’s wit and comic brilliance may have begun in the 1970s marked by Norman Lear, Larry Gelbart, and Ed Asner pushing dull SJW themes on various CBS sitcoms. In this decade, even 60′s comedy shtick wunderkind Woody Allen lost his sense of humor. Then, intermarriage with cheerless WASPs accelerated the process, resulting in the birth of such unfunny comediennes as Chelsea Handler and Lena Dunham.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @JimB
  14. slumber_j says:
    @Anon

    I thought of this when Sarah Jeong, a much-admired technology journalist with sterling credentials, became the center of one of our periodic micro-controversies for having written pointed missives about whites on Twitter.

    Bold mine, and in the first sentence of the second graf. This writer for the once-venerable Atlantic doesn’t know what “missive” means.

    Unsurprisingly, there are other problems in that piece.

    • Replies: @anon
  15. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT The story of the day is the censorship trial run with Alex Jones. They don’t care about him, they want a return to the good old days of the folks at home trusting Walter Cronkite: no alternative media. Here is a proposal for arguing against this move:
    In Marsh v. Alabama the Supreme Court ruled for a Jehovah’s Witness who was arrested proselytizing on sidewalks and roads built by Gulf Shipbuilding for their company town of Chickasaw, because there was no other reasonable way to exercise First Amendment rights (there were no non-company-built sidewalks in the town). Hugo Black wrote that monopoly cancels the normal limitation of First Amendment rights in a privately owned setting.
    Monopoly is not only a potentially strong claim but it was something we should’ve been pursuing already and is probably inevitable. I remember talking about trust-busting Google back when we were christmaslisting what Trump should do. There were two good reasons: it’s beyond objectively justifiable, and the tech trusts are unabashedly in the tank for the Democrats. Those reasons have only become more compelling.
    It is discussed in this thread:

    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/181390511

    Detail: the one platform that didn’t unperson Jones is Twitter, which is currently dealing with American Renaissance suing it using a California state law. That might be unconnected.
    >oh but I don’t like Alex Jones
    Then go on not liking him, but don’t tolerate YouTube and FaceBook becoming the entirety of the internet and bringing in the same media bottleneck from the three-channel pre-cable days.

  16. Barnard says:
    @Colin Wright

    Which token gentile could you throw in there? George Will? David French? There aren’t exactly a lot of options.

  17. TWalsh says:

    Social media has turned blacks and Jews into humorless Protestants.

  18. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Lot

    Are any of those less than ten years old? (Obviously, coming up with comedy that is not only popular but vampiric in its longevity is not an argument against Jewish wit. I wonder what Jerry Seinfeld would say about comedy running aground on neo-puritanism.)

  19. Dr. X says:

    Writers like Max Boot ’92MA, Eliot Cohen, Jennifer Rubin, James Kirchick ’06, Bret Stephens, Cathy Young, and Bill Kristol have resisted the pressures of tribalism at a moment when few dare to leave their partisan tents.

    But… but… but… they’re the Chosen People of God, dontcha know. So it’s okay for them to be a tribe… just not okay for you, goyim.

    Yahweh says so.

  20. @Lot

    Greenberg:

    I never could figure out who this song was aimed at, but it sure is a long way from “Sugar and Spice”:

    • Replies: @Lot
  21. Hey, what’s the matter, buddy, ain’t you heard of my school, it’s number one in Deep State.

    Push ‘em back, push ‘em back … way back!

  22. TheBoom says:

    In the Current Year, are Members of the Tribe as witty as they used to be?

    They don’t need to be witty. They are in power now. They can get their kicks from crushing the enemy. Anyone who points out their hypocrisy gets booted out of the mainstream. So, they live in an echo chamber.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Svigor
  23. Lot says:
    @JimB

    The 1970s were the absolute low point for sitcoms. Most of the top ones of that decade are unwatchable now. The best of the decade was the Mary Tyler Moore Show, and that’s not saying much.

    Random mildly successful sitcoms from the 80s (Mr. Belvedere, Small Wonder) and the 60s (Green Acres, Dobie Gillis) are far better than Normal Lear’s awful ratings-dominating All in the Family. Also really bad but successful were Taxi, Three’s Company, Sanford & Son, Soap, and The Love Boat.

    Perhaps the 2010s are worse, I don’t watch much TV anymore. However, the economics of TV have changed so much it isn’t a fair comparison.

  24. Anon[366] • Disclaimer says:

    Their current moral panic over “tribalism” is a particularly funny example of today’s Jews not getting the joke.

    What’s the joke?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Warner
  25. Anon[334] • Disclaimer says:

    Sure, populism can be dangerous, but so can elitism, especially when it is supremacist as it is with the globalists. How can we have a healthy democracy when the elites in the Deep State collude with one another to lie to the masses and use US power to wages Wars for Israel and Wars for Jewish supremacism?

    And even though Neocnos attack populism now, they fully exploited patriotic populism after 9/11 to fan the flames of war. They figured, “don’t let a crisis go to waste” and cooked up total lies about WMD and Hussein to stir up massive populist support for the war. And the mass media, all owned by globo oligarchs, pushed that narrative.

    Indeed, Bush was promoted as a ‘populist’, someone you’d want to drink beer with. A ‘regular’ guy, a real buddy(even though he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth).
    But it was all a ruse used by Neocons to fool good decent Americans into supporting a war that was really for narrow tribal interests.
    So, Necons have nothing against pushing Populist buttons AS LONG AS it riles up the dumb masses into supporting Wars for Israel or new Cold War with Russia(that is hated by Jews because Putin favors national sovereignty over obeying globalist hegemony of the Tribe).

    The reason why Neocons hate Trumpian populism is that many Americans have woken up to the phony populism and patriotism of the Bush clan that is close to the Deep State and see the US as a global hegemon than as a nation with a people and culture with specific needs.

  26. Anon[366] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    Are you sure South Park isn’t Jewish?

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Anonym
  27. Stealth says:

    Steve, I don’t know if you’re aware of this, but you were mentioned in the Guardian – about five years ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/nov/28/is-boris-johnson-right-about-iqs

  28. tyrone says:

    Funny,I think of these same neocon bastards every time I see an appeal for those legless and armless veterans ……….or not very funny.

  29. Lot says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The two inital Jewish names and lyrics about a crooked businessman seem antisemitic, but the song was written by this Jewish member of that band:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Guillory

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  30. @Anon

    “Watch out Steve, you’ll be getting a nasty tweet from Podohoretz if you keep this up.”

    I never used to know who John Podhoretz even was. But now whenever I happen to see him on MSNBC, I hang on his every word. The best move Podhoretz ever made was snagging Steve Sailer as his stealth publicity agent.

  31. donut says:

    Hey OT , but have any of you guys heard about this ? There is a course 2 miles from me . I’m going to check it out tomorrow .

  32. An interesting counterpoint to these…goofballs…is the Orthodox Jewish (Israeli) intellectual Yoram Hazony who just wrote a book praising tribalism (or if you prefer, nationalism):

    https://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm?frm=189313&sec_id=189313

    Yoram spent time in the U.S. but this could be another case of Israeli Jews having the intellectual freedom to think the kind of thoughts their cousins in America don’t typically consider.

  33. anonymous[215] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Kind of like the Barry Soetoro, Louie Gates, Jimmy Crowley ‘beer summit’, maybe iSteve and JPod could talk this out over a Schnipper’s lunch. (Separate checks a must.)

  34. anonymous[215] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Dunno.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  35. anonymous[215] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Maybe I do know, they’re all Cleveland Indians fans!

  36. Arclight says:

    Wow.

    Also, I’d say that considering the disaster that was the Iraq War, being anti-Trump (if one believes that is a virtue) still doesn’t come even close to balancing the scales. David Frum has occasionally said reasonable things on mass immigration, but being the intellectual architects and cheerleaders of one of the biggest foreign blunders in our nation’s history is probably impossible to ever really atone for. Maybe in another 20 years we’ll get treated to a “Fog of War” style documentary where some of these guys actually apologize like McNamara did.

    • Agree: Travis
  37. Daniel H says:

    Greenberg’s opening paragraph is truly the funniest thing I have read in a while.

  38. JohnnyD says:

    This is like praising Harvey Weinstein for resisting his sexual impulses…

  39. @Jeffrey S.

    ‘…Yoram spent time in the U.S. but this could be another case of Israeli Jews having the intellectual freedom to think the kind of thoughts their cousins in America don’t typically consider.’

    Wouldn’t it be more of a matter of tribalism being bad for gentiles but good for Jews?

  40. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:

    Any thoughts on Alex Jones getting the ban hammer? Interesting that Twitter has not followed suit, Sun Tzu said to leave your enemy an escape route.

    Since Anglin, Milo and Jared Taylor are gone, who is next?

    My guess is either Mike Cernovich or Breitbart.

    We should arguably encourage the banning of as many of our people as possible on the Big Tech sites. The boiling frog analogy is dooming us right now, if Twitter banned Trump tomorrow they’d be instantly nationalized.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  41. @Tiny Duck

    ‘What if what they said isn’t true?

    It is quite evident that whites are acting selfishludey sbd tribally. How is this even in dispute?

    You should be thankful that some conservatives are standing against white supremacy and privilege. They are showing people and People if Color that some conservatives are decent

    Is this a parody of some kind?

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    , @Alfa158
  42. Anon[760] • Disclaimer says:

    From David Greenberg’s Wife’s Wikipedia Page:

    Suzanne Nossel is the executive director of PEN American Center,[1] the largest of the 144 centers that form a loose federation that comprise PEN International. Her career has spanned government service and leadership roles in the corporate and non-profit sectors.

    Previously, she served as Executive Director of Amnesty International USA, from January 2, 2012 to January 11, 2013.[2] Her work there led to the successful passage of the Afghan Women and Girls Security and Promotion Act of 2012,[3] and drew attention to the case of imprisoned punk band Pussy Riot.

    Journalist and peace activist Chris Hedges resigned from PEN in protest of Nossel’s appointment. Hedges claimed in his resignation letter to PEN that “Nossel’s relentless championing of preemptive war—which under international law is illegal—as a State Department official along with her callous disregard for Israeli mistreatment of the Palestinians and her refusal as a government official to denounce the use of torture and use of extrajudicial killings, makes her utterly unfit to lead any human rights organization, especially one that has global concerns.” [30]

    Nossel was born in Westchester, New York, the daughter of South African parents and granddaughter of refugees from Nazi Germany who fled to South Africa during the 1930s.[31] She traces her interest in human rights to her growing up Jewish in America, and her visits to apartheid South Africa in her youth.[31] She has frequently visited relatives in Israel, saying “It’s a place where I feel very comfortable and at home.”[31]

    Really make you think…

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  43. istevefan says:

    But since 2016, neoconservatives—practically alone on their side of the aisle—have consistently opposed Trump for the damage they see him doing. Writers like Max Boot ’92MA, Eliot Cohen, Jennifer Rubin, James Kirchick ’06, Bret Stephens, Cathy Young, and Bill Kristol have resisted the pressures of tribalism at a moment when few dare to leave their partisan tents.

    If one were constructing a list of those who have recently called for the deportation of white Americans, this would probably be a good start. So in addition to hating Trump, they also appear to hate us.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
  44. gman says:

    Anyone have an opinion on the anti-semitism stories written about the Labour party?

    Seems like the media doesn’t like Corbyn all that much so are exaggerating stories about anti-semitism.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Anonymous
  45. sayless says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    They opened at Glastonbury.

  46. altnet says:

    Oh no Mr. Greenberg, please don’t accuse us of tribalism.
    …..or:

    ….Trumpism, Xenophobia, Racism, Sexism, Transphobia, Homophobia, Nativism, Protectionism, Isolationism, Classicism, Islamophobia, Cultural Imperialism, Cultural Appropriationism, or any of the other loaded-bad guy terms concocted to be hurled as marginalizing stigmatizing slanders by Marxy-wordsmiths.

  47. @Lot

    the song was written by this Jewish member of that band:

    His mother was Sephardic. Not sure about his father; “Guillory” is a Louisiana name.

  48. AndrewR says:
    @Anon

    Not a bad analysis, although he neglected to explore the pure hatred that underlies so much anti-white rhetoric among the ruling class and their minions.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  49. Lot says:
    @Anon

    Sorry, Matt Stone is half Jewish, with his mother having a Sephardic last name.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  50. @Anon

    Or he’d move to his long-reserved account on Gab, and Twatter would instantly lose huge numbers of users and the stock would crater.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  51. Anonym says:
    @Anon

    Matt Stone has a Jewish mother. I picked that up too.

  52. snorlax says:
    @Jack D

    Frum actually admits that Trump is right about everything but he’s still against him because it’s not fair how he gets to have sex with a real human woman.*

    *Frum has entangled appendages with a probably-female member of a species.

  53. @Colin Wright

    td is a self-unaware parody of current leftist “thought” and a troll, he also can’t spell, because he will try to post 12 times a day off his phone.

  54. @AndrewR

    Which does make it a bad analysis. He reduces it to either edgelord trolling or careerism, but note that on the latter part, it’s supposedly done in accordance with “upper-class whites”. In reality, a lot of those are jews in positions of power. Who hired Jeong at the NYT? Who edits the Atlantic? (((White people))).

    It’s a piece designed to camouflage and obfuscate the issue, by playing it down and reducing it to either trolling or intra-White jockeying, as he puts it, while ignoring that many of the people who run the media don’t identify as primarily White. It’s a deeply dishonest article.

    • Agree: AndrewR
  55. newrouter says:

    Nice spot of history where you see: who is whom.

  56. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Arclight

    It’s the biggest foreign policy–or strategic–blunder in our nation’s history, bar none.

    I can’t even think of what second place might be. Korea? Vietnam?

  57. @Anon

    The next one banned will be Q.

    • Replies: @Anon
  58. @Reg Cæsar

    They jammed at a jazz blues festival on the Isle of Lucy. I remember it well.

    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
  59. @Tiny Duck

    Friends don’t let friends drink and post.

    Get some friends.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Harry Baldwin
  60. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Apparently Mr Chris Hedges is a man of integrity. PEN, on the other hand, has been largely to almost-exclusively ‘tribal’ since roughly forever, like the Pulitzer Prize Board, the National Book Awards, etc etc.

    • Replies: @Chief Seattle
  61. 22pp22 says:

    I have been reading through the comments section of the NYT, something I know I should not do in the wake of the Sarah Jeong fiasco.

    I hope the people who comment there are not typical of any large segment of the US population.

    They have quite simply taken leave of their senses. They have convinced themselves that Trump is Putin’s puppet and stole the election.

    They do not feel themselves bound by the rule of law or eleven common humanity.

    After twelve years in New Zealand and Cyprus, of which I spent six days in the USA, I can write as an outsider with a certain degree of dispassion.

    Your country is headed towards violence – very, very soon.

    They have decided the future, they are on a holy mission and they will kill anyone who disagrees with them.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
  62. Alfa158 says:
    @Colin Wright

    Yes, notice the self-insulting handle; Tiny Du(i)ck.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  63. donut says:

    Hey Steve , have you heard about this Disc Golf thing ? My friend told me the basic bag of discs ( Frisbees) is 70$ . You see these guys right ? In 5 years the USA could be a force in this game . The Truth is I don’t want to say why .

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  64. Anonymous[690] • Disclaimer says:

    Greenberg’s was always a baleful byline to behold, 10-15 yrs ago when Slate would have something dreadfully hackneyed appear under his name semi-weekly. Though many of their D.C.-based Ivy League brat writers were phoning it in while producing books and quality work elsewhere, in his case the Peter Principle comes to mind. Could be an all-star in the world of alumni mag journalism though.

  65. An increasing number seem cluelessly humorless, but it’s a hard question to measure objectively.

    Max Boot, Eliot Cohen, Jennifer Rubin, James Kirchick, Bret Stephens, Cathy Young, and Bill Kristol? Humorless?

    • Replies: @Seek
  66. snorlax says:
    @22pp22

    I hope the people who comment there are not typical of any large segment of the US population.

    Unfortunately they are, and possibly even—although I hate to say it—a majority.

    The glass-half-full view is that NYT commenters are primarily well-off housewives, schoolteachers etc. who aren’t much of a violent threat to anyone. But their own composition aside, they are, yes, representative of the thinking of half the country.

    Your country is headed towards violence – very, very soon.

    I fear and half-hope* you’re right.

    *The sooner the civil war comes, the better our chances of winning.

  67. @donut

    I’ve played frisbee golf a few times over the years at the disc golf course just south of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Altadena. Lots of “Big Bang Theory”-type guys from Caltech play there. The regulars get a shoulder bag to carry about five different kinds of frisbees for different shots.

    It seemed like a decent game and one that takes up maybe only 1/5th as much land as real golf. Plus non-players can use the same parkland for walking as the disc golfers because you can’t get killed by a frisbee while you can lose an eye to a golf ball. On the other hand, the disc golfers don’t want you picnicking or having a kid’s soccer game in the middle of their course so it’s not the park planning theorist’s dream game that doesn’t require exclusive use of land.

    It seems like a decent sport although it has never hooked me.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  68. @Jeffrey S.

    It’s not particularly new in or from that country.

    Natan Sharansky wrote a book on similar themes,

    Sharansky makes a provocative argument against Western intellectuals who have increasingly come to see religion and nationalism as antithetical to freedom.

    … “Sharansky reminds us democracies can’t defend themselves without ‘identity,’” [3]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defending_Identity

    Benjamin Netanyahu has lately been telling Europeans that their immigration policies are suicidal, and pretty much declaring George Soros an enemy of Israel. He is Viktor Orban’s main foreign head-of-state supporter on kicking out the Soros NGOs. And of course he tweets support of the Trump border wall.

    Sharansky and Hazony wrote and published their books in English. According to Kevin MacDonald, all these people should be keeping quiet or saying these things only in Hebrew in their own country, but in fact they are promoting nationalism as a necessity for the West. Kevin’s idea of “Jew” may come from being around too many overeducated non-orthodox American prog Jews since the 1960′s.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  69. Lagertha says:

    Tribalism Shiesterism. The Chasm is wide and insurmountable. This is why everyone who hates Trump & the Deplorables…are losing their shit…and, they are repacking their shit - yeah, it is a thing.

  70. @Lot

    What about The Bob Newhart Show of the 1970s?

    • Replies: @Lot
  71. BenKenobi says:
    @snorlax

    Come on man, you’re being too harsh.

    I would definitely date that woman, for 2-3 months.

  72. @Anonymous

    My vote is for the Spanish-American War (for first place actually). Spain was no conceivable threat to the United States and our “victory” saddled us with a vicious insurrection in the Phillipines and the island of Puerto Rico, the gift which keeps on giving. And after suppressing the largely justified Phillipino independence movement, the U.S. control of the islands put it on a collision course with Japan, a nation that Calvin Coolidge called “America’s natural friend.”

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  73. Daniel H says:

    OT: File under coalition of fringes unraveling.

    Blacks protest Asian owned nail salons in Brooklyn after melee at salon earlier in week. “Where is ICE…” was heard shouted by black protestor.

    Times can send Sarah Jeong to cover this, you know, to get a little on the ground training.

    ICE, ICE, baby. Please Mr. President, run with this.

    https://nypost.com/2018/08/06/protesters-target-second-nail-salon-after-racially-charged-brawl/

  74. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT defeating censorship: Can alternative media get around YouTube by giving up on streaming and offering direct downloads like Archive dot org or Kim Dotcom’s services? Obviously we should support BitChute and HookTube, but streaming is a massive amount of expense and serverage for no real payoff. Plus, we’re worried about material getting memory holed, so we would want widespread copying, whereas the whole point of streaming (as far as I can tell) was to bludgeon and retard new technology into being more like old bottlenecked nicklodeonism.
    Possible errors: a downloading service would still entail a lot of expense and server space (though I am sure, a hell of a lot less than youtube needs), and the new, stupid generation of internet users takes streaming for granted, just like turning your back on FaceZuck means giving up on a lot of potential customers.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @JudyBlumeSussman
    , @Svigor
  75. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer

    We have multiple stores in Michigan dedicated to frisbee golf. Not a sporting goods store with a frisbee aisle but a frisbee golf store. Capitalism is truly glorious.

    http://dgputtheads.com/michigan-disc-golf-stores

  76. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @Prof. Woland

    Q is just the right-wing version of Anonymous, but without the competence.. Too much hoax and not enough truth. (Riddle me why exactly the neocon “hacker” The Jester walks free)

    I think James Allsup is a likely target. He’s been kicked from Twitter and Facebook and his YouTube channel is a DMCA minefield.

    I’d love to see Ann Coulter get the axe and drive traffic to Gab, but she’s still useful as a safety valve and still appears on mainstream television while openly promoting race realist ideas. Lots of money still tied up in the BoomerBook racket.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  77. @Arclight

    The neocons desperately want the Iraq war and WMD to fade into history. I believe some of them have said as much. Our side needs to keep it front and center. We need a “top ten lies leading to the Iraq war” list that can be passed around. We need memes to educate the young. The fact that the same idiots who lied us into that war are now slandering the best American president in decades — that must not be allowed to go unnoticed either.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  78. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Arclight

    One should not be able to count being anti-Trump as a virtue because it is deeply connected to the Iraq War. Conservative disapproval of the Iraq War was censored, and so they are left with the idea that Trump was a reaction to Obama; Trump is as much or more a reaction to W.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  79. Tyrion 2 says:
    @gman

    I’ll not be losing sleep over the left being hoisted on their own minority grievance petard.

  80. @Anonymous

    Yes, I believe Chris Hedges is the real deal, a man of integrity who follows the truth. He was dead-on on the Iraq war and he has paid the price professionally for not kowtowing to the neocon NYTimes editorial board. I saw him speak in Seattle in 2016 and felt like a bourgeoise spy among all the hard left Pacifica listeners. But Chris didn’t pander to the crowd even though he obviously sympathized somewhat. He talked a lot about the prison system and the horrible inequity. I believe him about that. I don’t think he’s got a much better answer to solve the problem. But I would take seriously anything he writes and would much rather a country with his type of liberal on the other side rather than the Soros-sponsored left that we actually have.

  81. rob says:

    I’ve seen estimates of the generational IQ loss for whites and blacks. Has anyone worked out how much Jews have declined since say 1945? I could see it being really high. Any GSS or National Longitudinal Survey wizards want to give it a shot?

    My apologies if this comment posts 4 or 5 times. The site is doing that ‘checking your browser’ thing.

  82. Lot says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    Not as bad as Lear’s shows, but too slow paced. Newhart’s standup was better than his show. Kotter was another 70s sitcom that shined because the competition was so awful.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  83. Lot says:
    @J.Ross

    The problem for the far right is not censorship or the price of video hosting, but lack of demand.

    The number of people who watch Tucker and say “what a alt-lite wuss, why’s he afraid of tackling the JQ?” is tiny, and further consists mostly of poor and/or antisocial people that corporate advertisers have no interest in reaching.

  84. Lot says:
    @Anonymous

    Worse mistakes for America than the Iraq War:

    1. The Civil War
    2. WWI
    3. Vietnam

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  85. Rosie says:
    @Daniel H

    Blacks protest Asian owned nail salons in Brooklyn after melee at salon earlier in week. “Where is ICE…” was heard shouted by black protestor.

    I don’t condone violence, of course, but good on them for resisting, but what to call it?

    Commercial colonization?

    Is it so much to ask that if you’re going to blow money on a mani/pedi, at least it goes back into your own ethnic family?

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  86. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    1. Hart-Celler.

    2. Everything else. Distant 2nd.

  87. Rosie says:
    @Lot

    The number of people who watch Tucker and say “what a alt-lite wuss, why’s he afraid of tackling the JQ?” is tiny, and further consists mostly of poor and/or antisocial people that corporate advertisers have no interest in reaching.

    Not so fast!

    Whites feel guilty for taking their own side, so there is no popular interest in the true Right. Therefore, no harm, no foul.

    But why do Whites feel guilty for taking their own side?

  88. Rosie says:
    @Anon

    I think James Allsup is a likely target. He’s been kicked from Twitter and Facebook and his YouTube channel is a DMCA minefield.

    Agreed. He is a very promising and presentable White advocate. They will try to prevent him from acquiring a large following before it’s too late.

  89. @J.Ross

    Can alternative media get around YouTube

    Try /pol/ but beware. It’s a one-way ticket like LSD.

    /pol/ is the fountainhead of right-wing activism, and has been for 5-10 years.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  90. eah says:
  91. J.Ross says: • Website
    @JudyBlumeSussman

    I’ll be careful.
    Also, yet another Child Protective Services bureaucrat turns out to be a pedophile, although this time it’s in Norway, and there was no “murder-suicide” like happened with that Georgia state legislator.

    https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/lifestyle/case-exposing-double-standards-norways-cps

  92. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel H

    Please Mr. President, run with this.

    Is there no one in the White House paying attention? This is a gold mine.

    With a few carefully aimed tweets, Trump could re-arrange the political landscape.

  93. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Lot

    Yeah somehow I’m pretty sure without checking that dissident right hosts have demand. Also, if that’s the case it’s our good luck (we need to accommodate less traffic, yay!) and points up YouRube’s pettiness.

  94. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    The best of the decade was the Mary Tyler Moore Show

    Mork and Mindy was funnier.

  95. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Mr. Rational

    Or he’d move to his long-reserved account on Gab, and Twatter would instantly lose huge numbers of users and the stock would crater.

    Yes, they’d lose about one-thousandth of one percent of their users so their stock price would definitely plummet.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    , @Mr. Rational
  96. dfordoom says: • Website

    Whites feel guilty for taking their own side, so there is no popular interest in the true Right. Therefore, no harm, no foul.

    But why do Whites feel guilty for taking their own side?

    In the case of whites under the age of 35 or so it’s because they’ve been subjected to a level of political indoctrination in the schools that goes beyond anything Orwell imagined.

    Whites under 35 are simply not capable of thinking anything but politically correct thoughts. If they are exposed to alternative ways of thinking they either succumb to panic attacks or react by throwing tantrums. They don’t want to think bad thoughts because it hurts.

    Unless you can find a way to destroy the entire education system there’s nothing you can do.

    • Agree: snorlax
  97. @Lot

    Barney Miller just shines period.

  98. Tyrion 2 says:

    Has any group of thinkers stood faster in defense of its principles since the rise of Donald Trump than the neoconservatives

    Yes, practically everyone.

    A decade ago, when the political right had fallen on hard times, the neocons were derided by almost everyone for furnishing an intellectual rationale for the invasion of Iraq by George W. Bush ’68.

    In other news, L Ron Hubbard derided for Scientology.

    But since 2016, neoconservatives—practically alone on their side of the aisle—have consistently opposed Trump for the damage they see him doing.

    May Trump forever have such an effective opposition.

    Writers like Max Boot ’92MA, Eliot Cohen, Jennifer Rubin, James Kirchick ’06, Bret Stephens, Cathy Young, and Bill Kristol have resisted the pressures of tribalism at a moment when few dare to leave their partisan tents

    Probably beyond satire…

    • Replies: @res
  99. IHTG says:
    @snorlax

    I believe Frum’s daughter is some sort of model so there are some good genes in there.

  100. IHTG says:

    Also, Podhoretz gets no love? Lol.

  101. Pericles says:
    @dfordoom

    What, nobody’s mentioned MASH yet? That was funny, right guys? Guys?

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    , @Anonym
  102. snorlax says:
    @dfordoom

    I’m one of the exceptions that prove the rule, but agree 100%. If you’re in your 40′s or older you have no idea how bad the indoctrination is, and it becomes more pervasive and extreme every year. If the hatefacts hadn’t been readily accessible on the internet, I’m sure I’d be a zombie too.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  103. ChrisZ says:
    @Pericles

    I’m with you, Pericles. First 3-4 seasons of MASH are still funny.

    And a mere mention of the following words always makes me laugh: “Odd Couple.”

  104. @dfordoom

    You’re right, which makes the occasional exception even more impressive.

  105. Rosie says:
    @snorlax

    Doom and Snorlax, did you both miss my point that Lot is begging the question?

    Lack of demand does not prove lack of need for censorship. Rather, censorship, over time, can cause lack of demand.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    , @Svigor
  106. Ragno says:

    Outliers like the Simpsons (okay, the first 15 years or so of the Simpsons) aside, the high point of TV comedy in this country is still the 1950s.

    They surely ain’t making Jews like Nat Hiken anymore – comparing tiresome bores like Norman Lear and Chuck Lorre to Hiken is like equating individually-packaged supermarket pickles to garlic half-sours marinating in a wooden barrel.

  107. snorlax says:
    @Rosie

    I wasn’t responding to Lot at all, just Doom. And that’s actually what I just said:

    If the hatefacts hadn’t been readily accessible on the internet, I’m sure I’d be a zombie too.

    Anyway, you’re correct, but he is too. Censorship is effective, but much of the censored content is stupid and counterproductive. Case in point: Alex Jones.

    Censorship works because it recognizes no distinction between the wheat (Sailer) and the chaff (Jones).

    A point Lot should consider is that another aspect to the phenomenon of censorship is that, paradoxically, aggressively censoring a viewpoint makes it more widespread in samizdat circles.

    For example, a Russian in the 1930s who believed in Mendelian genetics would also have been an anticommunist. If no good communist can believe in Mendelian genetics, then Mendelian genetics are the sole province of anticommunists. A 1970s Russian who believed in Mendelian genetics would have been, er, a Russian. While a 1970s Russian who believed in Lysenkoism would have been an unreconstructed Stalinist.

    A 1930s Russian dissident would probably be an antisemite, while a 1970s Russian dissident would probably be a philosemite. In this way you can tell the 1930s USSR censored antisemitic content, while the 1970s USSR censored philosemitic content.

    Another example is the now several decades long moral panic over “teen pregnancy,” unfortunately contributed to by many conservatives, which has been a major driving factor behind the collapse in birthrates. A whole host of statistics show that after teens get pregnant, their lives are ruined forever and neither they nor their children will ever amount to anything. But wait, in the not too distant past, teen pregnancy was commonplace and even typical, and not associated with any negative effects.

    The solution to the paradox is simple: If society reinforces the norm that teenage pregnancy means you’re completely irresponsible and your life is a trainwreck, then only completely irresponsible teens whose lives are trainwrecks will get pregnant.

    Or take women’s clothing. You could pick out the exact same outfit, and a woman wearing it in the 1970′s would be advertising that she’s a slut, while a woman wearing it today would be projecting modesty and respectability. And the 1970s modest and respectable outfit would today mark her as some kind of Amish or Hasidic religious freak. Today’s slut outfit is the 1970s streetwalker outfit, and so on.

    A last example: On far-left, far-right or libertarian websites, you will often find men who argue that, respectively, Sexual Liberation, Traditional Values or Freedom of Contract requires they be allowed to marry 12-year-olds. The more extreme the site, the more creepy pedos you get. Is this because there’s a causal correlation between these ideologies and pedophilia? No, it’s because pedophilia advocacy is outside the bounds of respectable discourse, and so pedophiles gravitate to venues that are also outside the bounds of respectable discourse.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @res
  108. Anonym says:
    @Pericles

    Mash funny? The movie was quite good. The series… excuse me while I throw up in my mouth. IME it’s humorless lefties and women who like that show.

    Not sure if it was a comedy per se, but Rockford Files?

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
    • Replies: @Ganderson
  109. @Rosie

    At sub-90 IQ, they won’t comprehend basic commercial hygiene, much less double-entry accounting.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  110. Anonymous[529] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Wouldn’t WW2 top the list?

  111. Rosie says:
    @snorlax

    But wait, in the not too distant past, teen pregnancy was commonplace and even typical, and not associated with any negative effects.

    Not exactly.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2909926/

    • Replies: @Warner
    , @Anon
  112. Warner says:
    @Anon

    The joke is the irony that it is one tribe who bands together to denounce tribalism.

  113. Warner says:
    @Rosie

    Depends if there was a marriage involved or not.

    But ceteris parabis, having a child at nineteen was not in an of itself a problem.

    • Replies: @snorlax
  114. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Relevant:

    However, this theory is controversial[11,15] as there is also a strong association between teenage pregnancy and socioeconomic deprivation and teenage mothers are more likely to smoke, drink alcohol and have poor diet[2,16,17].

    Many investigators were unable to control for the combination of adverse socioeconomic pressures[18,19].

    • Replies: @Rosie
  115. Hunsdon says:
    @J.Ross

    They came for Alex Jones, and I didn’t say anything, because I’m not Alex Jones.

  116. @Stumpy Pepys

    More of a blues jazz festival, really . . :)

  117. Ganderson says:
    @Anonym

    Supposed to be preparing for the opening of school… but… Rockford was a great show. My favorite episode(s) was 2-parter with Dennis Dugan, Harold Gould and Robert Webber called “Never Send a Boy King to Do a Man’s Job”. Great writing, good characters, light on the infantile leftism.

    Most of my knowledge of SoCal comes from watching Rockford, Emergency!, and Dragnet; as well as listening to Mothers of Invention records:

    “Where can I go to get my poodle clipped in Burbank?
    Where can I go to get my jeans embroidered in Fullerton…”

    and:

    ” Night in a cruiser, Chevy ’39
    Going to El Monte Legion Stadium…”

  118. Hunsdon says:
    @Lot

    Only stupid losers would disagree with me!

    • Agree: Svigor
  119. snorlax says:
    @Warner

    Yes, wrong diagnosis (teen pregnancy) for a real problem (single motherhood).

    • Replies: @Rosie
  120. @Lot

    I suspect Tucker is much further right than his on-air persona indicates. He’s about as far right as is permissible at Fox. One hint is that you never hear him idiotically praising Israel the way idiots like Hannity do. Tucker knows who’s steering this ship into the iceberg.

    • LOL: IHTG
  121. @dfordoom

    they’d lose about one-thousandth of one percent of their users

    Try 10% of their engagement literally overnight, as the people who only logged on to read GEOTUS tweets logged off.  That would also cut off the data flow from the monitoring of those users (lots of free oppo research), which would be a huge hit.

    The GEOTUS jumping to Gab would give massive publicity to the competing platform.  Tw*tter hates the GEOTUS but realizes that this would be suicide.

  122. res says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Has any group of thinkers stood faster in defense of its principles since the rise of Donald Trump than the neoconservatives

    Yes, practically everyone.

    I think the problem is more with their principles than with their steadfastness ; )

    A decade ago, when the political right had fallen on hard times, the neocons were derided by almost everyone for furnishing an intellectual rationale for the invasion of Iraq by George W. Bush ’68.

    In other news, L Ron Hubbard derided for Scientology.

    Greenberg’s statement seems full of own goals if he values the public’s opinion of either neocons or Yale.

    But since 2016, neoconservatives—practically alone on their side of the aisle—have consistently opposed Trump for the damage they see him doing.

    May Trump forever have such an effective opposition.

    And an opposition so clearly on the right side of history (see Iraq War above).

    Writers like Max Boot ’92MA, Eliot Cohen, Jennifer Rubin, James Kirchick ’06, Bret Stephens, Cathy Young, and Bill Kristol have resisted the pressures of tribalism at a moment when few dare to leave their partisan tents

    Probably beyond satire…

    Greenberg isn’t dumb (as much as that review makes it sound like he is). Can he really be so unaware as to use “tribalism” in that context or is there some kind of dog whistle here?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  123. Achilles says:

    Not as witty as they used to be?

    Pshaw, Steve! Just consider this witty tweet from Bill Kristol:

    I’ve been looking at some polling crosstabs and I’ve got to say to my fellow white men over 55: You’re a great disappointment to me. On the other hand it seems fitting and consistent with the American story that women, minorities and young people now step up to save the republic.

    – Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) August 5, 2018

    Clearly, here Kristol is very wittily highlighting the disingenuousness of Jews by ironically employing the ‘fellow white person’ schtick in which Jews in one setting portray themselves as “fellow white people” in order to confess the sins of white people in a way that they believe advances Jewish group interest and then turn around and in another setting portray themselves as a minority and victims of “white people” when that is convenient in order to advance their view of Jewish group interest (holocaust, golfocaust, Trumpocaust, etc.)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Mr. Anon
  124. res says:
    @snorlax

    Censorship works because it recognizes no distinction between the wheat (Sailer) and the chaff (Jones).

    I think part of what makes censorship work is that it actively conflates the wheat and the chaff.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @snorlax
  125. Ha! To think a (((Yale))) degree used to be an indication of quality.

    • Replies: @Karl
  126. snorlax says:
    @res

    Yes. And when you censor both “racists” and “conspiracy theorists,” racists are more likely to also be conspiracy theorists and vice versa. And so each is discredited in the eyes of on-the-fence normies by association with the other.

  127. @istevefan

    That’s the same thing. They hate Trump because they hate those who voted for him.

  128. Seek says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Well, the photographers caught ‘em on an off-day.

  129. Rosie says:
    @snorlax

    Yes, wrong diagnosis (teen pregnancy) for a real problem (single motherhood).

    Teen anatomy is not conducive to childbirth. Having a husband doesn’t fix that.

    Fortunately, we don’t need teenagers to have babies.

    As to single motherhood, I can tell you from personal experience that there are much, much worse fates than not having a Dad around, specifically, living with a drunken brute.

  130. Rosie says:
    @Anon

    So what? Even if true, all it would prove is that it doesn’t physically harm teens to give birth. We still don’t need teens to have babies.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anonym
  131. “…An increasing number seem cluelessly humorless, but it is a hard question to measure objectively.”

    The FedGov should repurpose Harry Reid’s “Cowboy Poetry” funds to establish an Apollo-type project to measure clueless humorlessness, with a view towards weaponizing it. I suggest we put the best scientific minds of our generation on the project, perhaps Neil deGrasse Tyson and Bill Nye. When they are able to quantify it, I recommend we call the standard unit a “Behar”. For example, Max Boot generates 10 megabehars of clueless humorlessness, but Ralph Peters is able to generate 1 terabehar.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  132. Svigor says:

    There’s no figuring out what’s going on in Jewish brains. They’re surrounded by complicated defense-in-depth of concrete barriers, checkpoints, razorwire, guard dogs, foot patrols, MRAPs, mine fields, flak guns, tunnel detection systems, thermal cameras, moats and drawbridges. Jewish culture has a deflection, prevarication, dodge, lie, or outright stupidity to answer anything and everything. Mostly it all boils down to Jews are ethnocentric and they don’t give a shit about you (no room left for that with all the giving way too much of a shit about themselves).

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  133. Svigor says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Unbelievable lack of self awareness. Which is why it’s more than likely these people are deliberately dishonest about their motives.

    Jews have their whole culture set up so that it’s really, really, REALLY easy to be dishonest without being deliberate about it. Basically, some enterprising Jew has already done all that work for them, blazed the trail, as it were. Most of the time “Never Again” + “criticism is antisemitism” is enough. But Jews also seem to have only trace amounts of the gene for “ethnic conscience.” Ethnocentrism has taken up abode in that spot. And if they do feel a trace of negative emotion at the thought of screwing some group over, they just loop back to “Shoah Pogroms Persecution Expulsion,” and everything’s right again.

    Ask a Jew what bad Jewry has done, what historical baggage they have to atone for; you get crickets chirping, accusations of antisemitism, or humblebragging every time. Or just flat-out “nothing.”

  134. baythoven says:

    This one cannot be about no self-awareness or sense of irony. No way he’s that stupid.

    More likely, he thinks we’re that stupid. He hopes that by declaring a firm principle against Tribalism, he will defuse suspicions that this elite corps of neocons thinks in terms of “What’s best for the Jews?”

  135. Svigor says:
    @Lot

    You can be King Shit of Turd Mountain but it’s still just a pile of shit.

  136. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    it doesn’t physically harm teens to give birth.

    I thought that was why you had posted the article? Don’t go justifying stereotypes of women now …

    • Replies: @Rosie
  137. hmmm says:
    @Lot

    Still not getting the joke. Surprisingly.

  138. Svigor says:
    @Lot

    OTOH, Parker’s the talented one.

  139. Svigor says:
    @TheBoom

    They don’t need to be witty. They are in power now. They can get their kicks from crushing the enemy. Anyone who points out their hypocrisy gets booted out of the mainstream. So, they live in an echo chamber.

    I don’t think they’re doing this for kicks. I think they’re doing it because Trumpism and the altright scare the shit out of them. I think they prefer boiling the frog at an optimum temperature, like they were doing before.

  140. Svigor says:
    @academic gossip

    When they aren’t trying to smuggle non-whites into white countries, you mean.

  141. Svigor says:
    @J.Ross

    Streaming starts right away, that’s the payoff for the viewer. Payoff for the host is they get to be the host (and show you ads, etc.); you have to find an app if you want to download and keep the content, which in my experience is a PITA because hosts routinely change up their code to protect their content from downloading (e.g., my YT downloader works great, but I’ve yet to hunt down a Twatter downloader, though I found an online service that works). It’s a constant arms race.

    For hosts willing to give up protecting their content, the logical solution is to do both; use a format that offers downloading, but starts streaming it as it goes. Do both at once, IOW. Or build it in and offer a “save” button, because streaming and downloading aren’t fundamentally different processes; once you’ve streamed a video in its entirety, it’s already on your hard drive somewhere, it just hasn’t been saved.

    The way to compete with these guys is to offer much better platforms that do more, AND offer real free speech while moderating people who can’t obey objective norms (I for one kinda like censorship that prevents cursing or “nasty” racial epithets while doing nothing whatsoever to censor actual facts, ideas, and concepts, something easily achieved with filters).

    E.g., how about a site with tabs on the top, each of which does something the big social media companies do, only better, AND offers people a guarantee to speak their minds within the limits of the law? A twatter tab, a boobtube tab, a myface tab, etc. It would be CHEAPER to run a social media site WITHOUT the censorship.

  142. Svigor says:
    @Lot

    The number of people who watch Tucker and say “what a alt-lite wuss, why’s he afraid of tackling the JQ?” is tiny, and further consists mostly of poor and/or antisocial people that corporate advertisers have no interest in reaching.

    The market-driven arguments are such obvious scheisse. Leftists complain about Fox instead of eating their lunch because there are lots of shekels they don’t want. This has been plain to see even for the idiots since The Passion of the Christ. There’s a market for Christian entertainment; (((they))) don’t want that money.

    Alternative title, “where’s CNN’s Tucker?”

    And if we’re talking about shekels, the altright is a growth industry, but the venture capitalist set would rather destroy it than make money off of it. The Daily Stormer would have made Anglin a multi-millionaire by now, but for anti-free-market forces. Now they’re trying to destroy Alex Jones.

    Because there’s some shekels they don’t want.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @J.Ross
  143. Svigor says:
    @Rosie

    Free market dopes don’t like the idea that companies create and shape demand. Tougher to protect the oligarch class if people start believing in these dangerous ideas.

  144. AndrewR says:
    @dfordoom

    Whites over 35 GOOD

    Whites under 35 BAD

    I kid (slightly), but that’s basically how you sound. “Whites under 35″ includes tens of millions of people from widely different backgrounds. This “white under 35″ went to public school in a relatively multicultural (and highly black) district, and I really wasn’t subjected to any real indoctrination. The closest to that I recall was one day where we had a black female from a local “anti-racist” organization give a talk, and one ghetto boy told her he had wanted to punch the first white person he saw after watching the film Amistad. She didn’t respond by saying “well it’s good you didn’t because that would have been racist”; her response was “it’s good you didn’t because we don’t need another brother in jail.”

    Then in college I took a sociology class where the black professor (who was basically a grown-up, real-life version of Cleveland Brown Jr.) insisted very forcefully that race was entirely a social construct.

    Honestly that sums up all the PC stuff I can think of from my education. In my experience on the internet, people well over 35 are a proportionate, if not disproportionately high, number of people who “are simply not capable of thinking anything but politically correct thoughts. If they are exposed to alternative ways of thinking they either succumb to panic attacks or react by throwing tantrums. They don’t want to think bad thoughts because it hurts”

    A cursory reading of the Facebook comments on any politically charged NYT story reveals this.

    In any event, it’s stupid to pretend like it’s some binary thing. Changes in beliefs and behaviors, as functions of age, are almost always linear and gradual. For instance, if 30% of 20-year-olds believe in something (e.g. “marriage should always be between a man and a woman”) and 70% of 80-year-olds believe it, you can soundly bet your life savings that the proportion of 50-year olds who believe it will be very close to half.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  145. @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    Kosher Nostra

    Clever.

    When I was a kid I used to wonder what it was like to wake up behind the Iron Curtain–say a Pole or a Czech and be in an occupied nation.

    Now I know.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  146. @22pp22

    Your country is headed towards violence – very, very soon.

    After 240 years, the US is, absurdly, debating the issue of whether it should even exist. The founding ethnic stock are alleged to be illegitimate occupiers who have erected a systematically racist society which must be dismantled. I don’t see the flyovers agreeing to cede their nation to the urbanites and conversely, I don’t see the urbanites agreeing to abide by the Constitution’s counter-majoritarian tenets forever. Again, these are existential, territorial issues that should have been settled at the founding. The last time they got debated, we killed 600,000 of each other.

    There are extraordinary political imbalances in the US, and we have as many guns as we do people. A level of material prosperity unprecedented in human history holds it all together, for now.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational, Tyrion 2
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  147. @snorlax

    Geez, some days this is like the garage with playmate posters on the wall. Most women don’t look like Melania Trump.

    Danielle Crittenden is–to my eye, clearly–a more attractive than average woman for her age. Way, way more attractive if you throw in the weight thing–doing a quick image check she still looks pretty trim, has nice shape and curves, which puts her well ahead of most 50-something American women these days.

    Given that Frum is a somewhat dweeby–with chubster tendencies–short guy, i’d have to say he knocked it out of the park in the “i’m gonna get me a blond shiksa” department.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Anon
  148. Dumbo says:
    @Lot

    This seems more evidence of total control of the media by Jews than any indication that “Jews are funny”.

    But I don’t watch sitcoms since the 90s so what do I know.

    By the way, South Park is half-Jewish.

  149. Lot says:
    @AnotherDad

    Agree on all points.

    On the Internet every man is a stud whose standards 2/3 of Hollywood actresses fall below.

  150. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:
    @gman

    Note that this campaign against Corbyn has been going on continuously for 3 years now.

  151. Anonym says:
    @Rosie

    I like that you bring a practical female perspective to discussions here.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
    • Replies: @Rosie
  152. Becca says:

    Given the neocons and Greenberg are members of the tribe whose name must not be spoken, that’s rich. The Trotskyite neocons and their Leninist leftist Jews are all tribalists, which anyone can detect when they start kibutzing together left or “right” when they get down to their grievance mongering. By the by, to those below holding up Breitbart as an org that has our back, please… socialist Joel Pollak, who worked for the ANC and Mandela is in charge there. Do you see any of the actual commitment to the constitution and activism Andrew Breitbart displayed? No you haven’t and won’t. We need to coalesce and unite but Breitbart News isn’t what it once was. Pollak censors inconvenient voices just like twitter and facebook

  153. @Diversity Heretic

    The Spanish-American War is a good one — though we were feeling so frisky at the time that we were bound to do something like that, so it’s arguable if it was avoidable. Iraq — to put it mildly — was avoidable.

    I’d suggest Afghanistan. It’s not that traumatic — but when’s it going to end? I see no reason to think we’ll ever get out — we can’t admit we’re never going to win, and the Afghans just enjoy it — so however minor the cost, you can just go ahead and multiply it by fifty or whatever.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  154. anon[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @slumber_j

    missive (n.)
    mid-15c., “commandment,” noun use of adjective (mid-15c.) meaning “sent by superior authority,” from Medieval Latin missivus “for sending, sent,” especially in littera missiva “letters sent,” from Latin missus, past participle of mittere “to send” (see mission).

    A woke Asian female. A superior authority.

    I, for one, welcome our new Asian overlords.

  155. anon[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @White Guy In Japan

    Our dear Tiny Drunk is the sweetest troll, ever.

  156. Anonymous[356] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achilles

    Do you think Kristol was aware of the meme?

  157. Anonymous[356] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    Have a read of the recent feature on Virginia Senatorial candidate Corey Stewart in the New York Times or Washington Post. Came out within the past week.

  158. Anon[356] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    Shiksa goddess.

  159. Karl says:
    @Roderick Spode

    134 Roderick Spode > a (((Yale))) degree

    what America has been needing, is an Attorney General who isn’t a dual citizen

    thank ===God=== that Jeff Sessions is 100% pure red-white-and-blue !!

  160. Anonymous[353] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfa158

    “Yes, notice the self-insulting handle; Tiny Du(i)ck.”

    Or maybe it’s just a little canard.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @J.Ross
  161. Wilkey says:

    Tribalism, like racism and privilege and discrumination and oppression and colonialism, is a crime only white gentiles can ever be guilty of. In places without white males (Nigeria or Rwanda, for example) it does not and has never existed.

  162. @dfordoom

    If whites under 35 hadn’t voted in the primaries you’d have probably had a 2016 Republican ticket of Ted Cruz or Scott Walker, both of whom would have lost. Blue collar types alone weren’t enough to get Trump the win in the primaries. A lot of under 35 year olds, even apoliticals, voted for Trump because they found him amusing and outrageous. Or they voted for Bernie in the primary and then switched to Trump in the final.

    At least whites under 35 are a little more likely to realize that war with Iran/Syria is really on behalf of Israel/SA is not a good idea. And even the young liberals are not buying the Russian collusion narrative. That seems to be targeted towards soccer moms or old Boomers.

  163. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Svigor

    BBC Radio last week had a very aggressive talking point demonstration with this market forces argument. It was always ridiculous — YouTube has genres of channels of people eating food, whispering incoherently, and breaking wind, but Alex Jones is driving the customers away! The people making the market forces argument are the same ones that want trans representation everywhere, loved the new Star Wars movies and want black Vikings, and tweet about suckerpunching people they omnisciently declare to be Nazis.
    In fact until very recently there was a downright scary category of YouTube video. Ostensibly it was brainless trash designed to capture the market of youngsters left alone with a tablet. It freely violated copyright with absolute top Disney brand names, but was never in trouble for that. It introduced sexual themes in videos clearly intended for children, but was never in trouble for that. Poltards started complaining about it and mysterious defenders said it didn’t exist, then said it was just foreigners trying to scam money (with pageviews justifying ads). At length YouTube quietly removed some of the worst offenders without giving any credit to the dissident right ecelebs who talked up the issue. But the market forces argument didn’t work on that on either, they got enviable pageviews.

  164. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    There’s sort of an anti-Putin angle to the image, but it’s probably completely coincidental. A huge bathtub duckie was photograhed in the pool behind the mansion of one of Putin’s subordinates, so huge rubber duckies briefly became the bankster’s and astroturf “democracy” activist’s symbol of Putinist corruption.

  165. Rosie says:
    @Anon

    I thought that was why you had posted the article? Don’t go justifying stereotypes of women now …

    That is why I posted the article. I am under the impression that teen pregnancy is riskier than 20+ pregnancy. I am simply acknowledging that your post sheds doubt on that and I maybe wrong. Still, it’s fair to point out that it doesn’t follow that teen pregnancy should be encouraged.

    • Replies: @Anon
  166. @snorlax

    Wow! David Frum is much better looking than I thought he was.

  167. Rosie says:
    @Anonym

    I like that you bring a practical female perspective to discussions here.

    Thanks. I value your opinion.

  168. meh says:
    @Lot

    The problem for the far right is not censorship or the price of video hosting, but lack of demand.

    The fact that they are relentlessly deplatformed shows this statement of yours for the lie that it is.

    The number of people who watch Tucker and say “what a alt-lite wuss, why’s he afraid of tackling the JQ?” is tiny, and further consists mostly of poor and/or antisocial people that corporate advertisers have no interest in reaching.

    You don’t even have a clue what actual alt-right people think about Tucker, no wonder you’re not very convincing. Go listen to Fash the Nation and The Daily Shoah talk about Tucker and then realize how ridiculous you sound.

    There’s huge money being left on the table by the (((MSM))) not catering to what is easily half of the nation. It’s not about profits, it’s about control.

    And don’t give me that “mostly poor and/or antisocial people” BS. If you knew anything about the actual alt-right, you’d know that it includes lots of successful people (including those commenting here) who have to hide their views in order to not have their lives and careers destroyed. Not that everyone is rich and successful, but even the edgy loser types on the alt-right are very entertaining and would be precisely the kinds of people that corporate advertisers would be all over, as potential “influencers”, if only they held the “correct” political beliefs instead of forbidden beliefs.

    It’s not about profits, it’s about control.

    • LOL: IHTG
  169. @White Guy In Japan

    All of TD’s friends are at iSteve.

  170. @Chief Seattle

    During the campaign, Trump missed many opportunities to score great points. One was when Jeb! mocked him for saying he gets his foreign policy knowledge from “the shows,” i.e., discussion shows on Fox. Trump should have responded that Jeb! had as a foreign policy adviser Paul Wolfowitz, who advised his brother into one of the greatest foreign policy blunders in American history–and apparently neither Wolfowitz nor Jeb! learned a damn thing from it!

  171. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Still, it’s fair to point out that it doesn’t follow that teen pregnancy should be encouraged.

    Sure, that’s fair enough, it wasn’t my concern.

    As long as we’re giving our opinions I will say that, personally, I don’t really care at what age other people’s children have children of their own. I’ve done my part not knocking up any teenage girls and, should I have any female children in the future, in today’s cultural setting, I would very likely not encourage them to have children in their teen years.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  172. @The Anti-Gnostic

    We have a lot more guns than people; as many as 664 million guns per one estimate I read based on production numbers.  The question is, who has the ammo to use, and the will to use it?

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  173. Mr. Anon says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Frum, Boot, Cohen, Rubin, Kirchick, Stephens, Young, and Kristol

    I thought the supergroup fad died out in the ’70s. Didn’t they open at Woodstock? Or was it Isle of Wight or Watkins Glen?

    And they saw the bomber-death-planes, riding shotgun in the sky…….

  174. Mr. Anon says:
    @Achilles

    I’ve been looking at some polling crosstabs and I’ve got to say to my fellow white men over 55…

    “fellow white people”

  175. Tyrion 2 says:
    @res

    Yes, I read his other stuff. It is quite finely balanced. Maybe you’re right and he knew. He is certainly familiar with how his work would be perceived here and other places.

  176. @Colin Wright

    At this point, I think Afghanistan is maintained as live-fire exercise for troops and a convenient stop for officers to get their tickets punched. I think they’re also handing out a lot of Bronze Stars.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  177. I supported Trump but he is somewhat doesn’t know that the Midwest swings back and forth between the parties. The Midwest bunch are moving back to the Dems. In fact the Dems were smart enough to bring up the right to work issue which means they picked up the union blue collar types in Michgian, Wisconian, and PA. Ohio seems to be the best bet for the Republicans. Florida looks more promising since older whites are retiring there and outpacing immigration from Latin America. Scott is up in Florida. Oregon looks promising. I would trade Oregon for PA which is growing 8 times faster than PA. While Oregon is much smaller its growing much faster besides by 2030. Pa population will be smaller than Georgia’s. Still Georiga is a better plus for the Republicans even with blacks than PA, Michigan and Wisconian and even Ohio now.

  178. Brutusale says:
    @Mr. Rational

    According to a Quora thread recently, if only 10% of American gun owners took up arms against the government, they’d still outnumber the military 5-1. That’s also inferring that the military, to a man, would shoot fellow Americans.

  179. @The Anti-Gnostic

    ‘At this point, I think Afghanistan is maintained as live-fire exercise for troops and a convenient stop for officers to get their tickets punched. I think they’re also handing out a lot of Bronze Stars.’

    …and a good time was had by all. It works out that we found that magic money tree.

  180. @Anon

    ‘As long as we’re giving our opinions I will say that, personally, I don’t really care at what age other people’s children have children of their own. I’ve done my part not knocking up any teenage girls and, should I have any female children in the future, in today’s cultural setting, I would very likely not encourage them to have children in their teen years.’

    In connection with that, it’d be worth looking up what the average age is for first pregnancies in societies which have been maintaining at least a replacement birth rate.

    If — say — that age was twenty, then something close to half your first pregnancies would be to teenagers. If you attempt to defer those, you may be knocking your birthrate below replacement level — and that means adios you.

    Something to think about. What we’d like to have and what we need may be two different things.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Anon
  181. @AndrewR

    ‘…The closest to that I recall was one day where we had a black female from a local “anti-racist” organization give a talk, and one ghetto boy told her he had wanted to punch the first white person he saw after watching the film Amistad…’

    This relates to something I’ve noticed. Not that they’re all that wonderful under any circumstances, but blacks are encouraged to act out in ways that probably wouldn’t occur to them if they were left to their own devices.

    So the black was outraged by ‘Amistad.’ And who made Amistad? Similarly with the ‘Black Lives Matter’ nonsense, and before that, the Rodney King Riot ‘n Pogrom. Think those would have gone anywhere without the (white) mainstream media egging blacks on?

    Back in the day, I used to operate a one-truck moving business around the San Francisco Bay Area — PC ground zero. For a while, I sported a Confederate flag bumper sticker. I never got any flak from blacks — not once. Some white people expressed disapproval — but no blacks. I finally took it down because I decided it was potentially offensive to some perfectly nice black customers I had — but none of them had ever said anything.

    This ‘angry black’ thing is largely produced by whites in the first place. As I say, blacks wouldn’t be little treasures in any case — but left to their own devices, we could skip a lot of this hatred and drummed-up ‘rage.’

  182. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    I remember reading somewhere that median marriage age in late-medieval England was around 23 to 26. Presumably most pregnancies would follow rather than precede that. I tend in general to a very lax medievalism in many of my opinions.

    Anyway, you must know some large families? How many of their parents were married as teenagers? It’s clearly not necessary to having a large family, and clearly also not desirable in today’s culture, even among trad Catholics. That may change in twenty years or so but I’m not holding my breath.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  183. @Anon

    ‘I remember reading somewhere that median marriage age in late-medieval England was around 23 to 26…’

    The same was the case in eighteenth-century France. In both cases, overpopulation was getting to be a problem, and in both cases, deferred marriage seems to have been the response.

    At the opposite extreme, I remember getting curious and looking up the ages of the mothers of various early nineteenth century American politicians. They all seem to have had their first child at thirteen — which implies conception at twelve. Given that girls had their first periods later back then than they do now, the inference is that as soon as a girl started menstruating, it was time to marry her off — at least among America’s elite.

    This also corresponds to the Roman ideal: which was that the man should be about thirty, but the wife about eleven. (I’m not kidding). As an aside, given that most people died in their fifties back then, this pattern must have led to an enormous population of middle-aged and even young widows.

    In any case, obviously norms have varied — and both ancient Rome and early Republican America were perfectly functional societies. Otherwise, it seems obvious to me that deferring the age of a woman’s first pregnancy is going to drive birth rates down, and if that’s not our intention, we should be cautious about promoting such a pattern.

    • Replies: @Anon
  184. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    In any case, obviously norms have varied — and both ancient Rome and early Republican America were perfectly functional societies. Otherwise, it seems obvious to me that deferring the age of a woman’s first pregnancy is going to drive birth rates down, and if that’s not our intention, we should be cautious about promoting such a pattern.

    See, that’s where we differ. It is not my primary purpose in raising my hypothetical girl children to use them in some project to reshape society. I’d like for them to have large families (if, that is, they don’t want to go into holy orders), but I think that’s perfectly possible without them marrying at fifteen. You’re older than I am; when did your daughters marry?

    As for the data you raise, I don’t know of evidence that late-medieval England was overpopulated, but maybe you have some?

  185. JimB says:
    @JimB

    Then, intermarriage with cheerless WASPs accelerated the process, resulting in the birth of such unfunny comediennes as Chelsea Handler and Lena Dunham.

    And Cabbage Patch Doll comedienne, Amy Schumer.

  186. JimB says:
    @Lot

    If you want to discover the inspiration for modern progressive social policy and politics, check out Star Trek TNG on Amazon streaming. It’s uncanny as well as unintentionally hilarious.

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