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From the New York Post:

Brooklyn firefighter finally fired after third domestic violence arrest
By Dana Schuster and Susan Edelman March 9, 2019 | 5:32pm

Brooklyn firefighter Clyde Phillips was axed Wednesday after his third arrest stemming from charges of domestic violence, The Post has learned. …

The 37-year-old, who made $123,699 in 2018 at Engine Co. 234 in Crown Heights, has a history of alleged violence against women.

Last January, Phillips was arrested for assault and harassment after allegedly punching an ex-girlfriend, Teszra Cody, in the face at a midtown Duane Reade. The attack was reportedly captured on surveillance video. Afterwards, the restraining order was issued.

… Two months before the Duane Reade incident, Phillips was arrested for choking another ex, Farah Simon, “pushing her head against a wall and shoving her to the ground,” according to a criminal complaint filed in Union County, NJ Superior Court. Simon ended up dropping the charges. …

Phillips is a former subway engineer who fraudulently took a family leave from the MTA to attend the Fire Academy in 2014, officials said.

He was the lowest-scoring of 282 “priority hires” ordered by a Brooklyn federal judge who ruled that minority candidates were victims of race bias.

 
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  1. “By Dana Schuster and Susan Edelman”

    As always, Diversity Is Our Strength!

    Three (((cheers))) para la diversidad!

  2. A child was given the name Clyde in 1982?

    No wonder he’s screwed up.

  3. When I first the end of the post,I thought,for a split second that it said “…lowest scoring of the primate hires…”

    • LOL: fish
  4. I think “axed” isn’t the best word to use when you are talking about firemen, or even ex-firemen. I know what you meant though, that he was axed to leave.

    Anyway, does this mean you are changing your mind about Affirmative Action? He’s not a foreigner, and is in one of your 2 groups, American blacks and Indians, that you stated should deserve AA, if anyone.

  5. res says:

    I wonder what his job performance was like.

  6. Cato says:

    He was the lowest-scoring of 282 “priority hires” ordered by a Brooklyn federal judge who ruled that minority candidates were victims of race bias.

    Have you noticed that “priority hires” is an anagram for “Sir, I hyper riot”?

  7. @Reg Cæsar

    One of the greatest ever Knicks Walt Frazier played from 1967-1980 and was dubbed Clyde because he liked to dress like Warren Beatty in Bonnie and Clyde. He was superfly before the movie.

    Clyde’s parents may have been Knicks fans.

    Frazier in 1970:

  8. FPD72 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Walt Frazier had only been retired for two years and was still a man-about-town.

  9. Escher says:

    Black (male) lives matter. Not those of the women that get beaten up or killed.

  10. @res

    I wonder what his job performance was like.

    IDK. Axe him.

  11. Dude says:

    This guy is a fireman for five years and making 124k?!?

    What a scam!

  12. prosa123 says:

    Nice pay with less than four years on the job.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  13. Clyde says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Clyde is a proper English name, the kind Caribbean people like and they control the NYC transit unions and hiring. Note his full name is Clyde Phillips. Jamaican probably. They are not out there naming their girls La’Quanishta and the like.

    • Replies: @danand
    , @Reg Cæsar
  14. @res

    Dude! He’s black. It doesn’t matter.

  15. Anon1 says:

    Getting hired into FDNY is crazy hard. It’s remarkable that he got hired. It’s like finding out someone with a 2.0 GPA somehow got into Harvard’s MBA program.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    , @Mr McKenna
  16. @Anon1

    This post is such an obvious setup that I’m not even going to touch it. Sorta.

  17. @Thomas

    Appointed by: Bill Clinton
    Preceded by: Charles P. Sifton
    Succeeded by: LaShann Moutique DeArcy Hall

    Things are looking up! And I did not make up her name.

    • Replies: @Charles
  18. Whine as you will about teachers, you can’t have “priority hires” in that field. Management, sure. But not teachers themselves. Ed schools can’t commit affirmative action.

    https://educationrealist.wordpress.com/2014/09/08/ed-schools-and-affirmative-action/

  19. Anon[139] • Disclaimer says:

    “He was the lowest-scoring of 282 “priority hires” ordered by a Brooklyn federal judge who ruled that minority candidates were victims of race bias.”

    Reasoning by analogy, if the District Attorney’s office, or the judge’s own clerk population, fail to match the general population, does the judge order himself and his colleagues to hire African – Americans to remedy racial bias?

    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    , @bomag
  20. Wilkey says:
    @Anon1

    Getting hired into FDNY is crazy hard. It’s remarkable that he got hired. It’s like finding out someone with a 2.0 GPA somehow got into Harvard’s MBA program.

    Now now, be nice. Harvard needs those affirmative action spots to give to the oppressed, underprivileged children of Eric Holder and Barack Obama.

  21. Anon[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    The German analog to that Ray Stevens song, on its way to the non-PC memory hole:

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @ben tillman
  22. @Dude

    This guy is a fireman for five years and making 124k?!

    And they typically spend two weeks per month off. Most of the two weeks on the job is spent eating chili, playing cards, and petting their dalmation.

    Plus they are “heros” and get constantly laid.

    It’s a super-sweet job. This guy really screwed up.

    P.s., I don’t know if it’s the same everywhere – but modern building codes, automated fire alarm and sprinkler systems (and probably better arson forensics), have made major structure fires a very rare occurrence. Most cities have waaay more highly paid firefighters than they really need.

  23. Lot says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Ahab the Arab had a camel named Clyde.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Anon
    , @Lot
  24. Thomas says:

    He was the lowest-scoring of 282 “priority hires” ordered by a Brooklyn federal judge who ruled that minority candidates were victims of race bias.

    That judge was a name that should be familiar to iSteve readers. Nicholas Garaufis, memorably describes once by Steve as an “innumerate dolt.”

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  25. Lot says:
    @Dude

    Forest firemen in California can make 400k.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  26. Lot says:

    Booooooooo!

    • Troll: Charles Pewitt
  27. @simple_pseudonymic_handle

    I was a Nets fan back then. The only one in town. I’ve blocked out memories of that other team.

    • Replies: @njguy73
  28. Hail says: • Website
    @Lot

    Steve has got to make a post on this.

    John Derbyshire came out with a furious slam against Trump over this:

    Ann Coulter is well able to take care of herself & doesn’t need me doing the job: but for me & I’m sure many, many other Former Trumpers, this https://bit.ly/2J3mIap is the last straw. The guy is worthless ─ a stupid bullshitter who got very lucky

    Some impressions on a cross-section of reaction:

    “Ann Coulter” has been one of the top trending Twitter terms Saturday evening because of this. Among Trump2016ers, it looks to be breaking about half and half, Coulter backers vs. Trump loyalists.

    Excluding the big names in the latter camp with some financial incentive to boost Trump (people like Sebastian Gorka), the Trump Loyalist rank-and-file are really a rather less impressive lot. Read their comments. They’re attached to a personality, and are generally what Steve Sailer calls low-information voters.

    Will #Coulter2020 start trending?

  29. @education realist

    Ed schools can’t commit affirmative action.

    https://educationrealist.wordpress.com/2014/09/08/ed-schools-and-affirmative-action/

    Interesting article. Apparently, government oversight inadvertently pushed Ed schools into requiring that future teachers had to pass the state licensing test before even being admitted to the program in the first place.

    Passing the state’s own test ended up being the uniform standard for admission. Hence no ability to lower that standard for AA purposes.

    I’m actually really surprised that the diversity lobby hasn’t gone after professional licensing tests.

    For example, the racial disparity in pass rates for the Bar Exam in most states is enormous. I sincerely feel bad for people who spend three years of time and money to go to law school and then aren’t allowed to practice.

    But then again, they usually get jobs in journalism or politics (like former LA mayor Villaragossa, who failed three or four times.)

  30. @Lot

    How many decades after the original hit was that video made?

    • Replies: @bomag
  31. @Lot

    Except the convicts, who get like 15 cents an hour. (Actually, I am not sure if they still use those guys, but they used to).

  32. @Reg Cæsar

    I don’t think J.J. Cale was singing about a black guy but FWIW, from 1972…

  33. Anon1 says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    This times 1000.

    Being a big city firefighter is one of the cushiest gigs available. You’re getting paid big bucks to do one of the easiest and most fun jobs imaginable. Only A-list entertainers and pro athletes have it better.

    Being a FF is extremely safe too these days.

    They also get 4 day weekends.

    Oddly enough, they have groupies too. Better in some ways (less crazy and gold digging) than even what famous men get.

    Getting hired as a NYC FF is literally like buying winning a lottery ticket. Not only do you get to be a FF, you get the chance to live comfortably in one of the coolest cities in the world.

    How f-ing stupid do you have to be to screw up an ultra sweet gig like that?

  34. August 18, 2018

    Four African-American firefighters have filed a federal lawsuit against the FDNY, claiming the department’s facial hair policy unfairly discriminates against black men who have a skin condition and cannot be completely clean-shaven.

    FDNY firefighters Salik Bey, Terrel Joseph, Steven Seymour and Clyde Phillips claim that they suffer from pseudofolliculitis barbae…

    https://www.amny.com/news/fdny-lawsuit-facial-hair-policy-1.20547290

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Hibernian
  35. @Dude

    According to an article on January 27, 2018 (about a previous charge), he “made $142,266 last year” (i.e., for 2017).

    https://nypost.com/2018/01/27/fdny-firefighter-charged-with-punching-ex-in-the-face/

  36. Interesting discussion on Firehouse.com about that list of 282 priority hires (see the full list at the link below). Note that Clyde T. Phillips scored 70 (in last place at no. 282), and the highest scored 98.

    One poster on Firehouse.com asked: “Whats the the number after the 282’s names? is that their score? if so I am not understanding why they are ahead of others like myself who have a 98.”

    To which someone replied: “Because they are deemed to be more important to the city by way of a federal judge than us. I have a 106 for a score and it blows my mind that there are so many 70s mixed in there.”

    Scores in the 70s blew a guy’s mind who scored 106. Wonder what he makes of Clyde Phillips today?

    This exchange took place in 2013.

    https://forums.firehouse.com/forum/careers-training/hiring-employment-discussion/107863-fdny-exam-2000/page772

    • Replies: @Change that Matters
  37. Anon[190] • Disclaimer says:

    Reading up on that old NYFD disparate impact case, they ended up making the test really easy, such that enough blacks passed that they had plenty to choose from (by ignoring the whites who passed with higher scores).

    Couldn’t they have just used the same test, but lowered the passing score, then hire blacks who achieved the lowered passing score? That way the judge would get his black firefighters, but it would be embarrassingly obvious how low they had to go to get them.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Anon
  38. Ed says:

    The judiciary in this country is off the rails.

  39. a reader says:
    @res

    I wonder what his job performance was like.

    Like hers ?

  40. Ed says:
    @Hail

    People like Derbyshire annoy me, so who is he going to vote for, Biden or Kamala? Maybe support MD governor Hogan in a primary?

    Trump was way off base attacking Ann but let’s keep things in perspective.

    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor
    , @CCZ
    , @Daniel H
  41. @Change that Matters

    Because name list, internet connection, and Google.

    Among those 282 “priorities”:

    # 281: Angel M. Vasquez, 70: in June 2016 shows up in list of 1,083 eligibles in Police Officer List 4312 (at # 180). http://thechiefleader.com/news/civil_service/police-officer-list-established/article_8bf57d7e-3af1-11e6-bfa7-4b7451b7f409.html

    # 268: Choeurlyne Doirin, 73: “Probationary firefighter Choeurlyne Doirin-Holder injured herself Monday while conducting a routine check of equipment at Queens’ Engine 308 in South Richmond Hill.” https://nypost.com/2015/11/22/struggling-firefighter-injured-after-just-10-days-into-new-job/

    # 265: Patrice Casimir, 74: “Five firefighters [including Patrice Casimir] have crushed their thumbs in the doors of the FDNY’s brand new firetrucks within six months of each other and are suing or plan to sue the city.” https://nypost.com/2015/08/04/faulty-trucks-causing-firefighters-to-suffer-gruesome-injuries-suit/

    # 262: Andre J. Laurant, 74: “was denied [a position] because he forgot to disclose two minor sealed arrests… Laurant has filed a federal employment discrimination suit.” http://www.cssny.org/news/entry/years-after-discrimination-lawsuit-fdny-still-synonymous-with-racism-and-ne

    I started at the bottom and stopped at Laurant (a class act to be sure). Clyde Phillips looks to be the pick of the litter so far, although Doirin got more media attention.

    • Replies: @Anon
  42. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Quite the juxtaposition to go see Apollo 11 tonight and then come home to see this post.

  43. Lot says:
    @Hail

    My main consolation is Trump is still a realty TV star/WWE fighter who likes drama, betrayal, and over the top attacks for entertainment purposes.

    Still, how does he think this is in his interest? You don’t see Bernie and Kamala crapping on Rachel Maddow.

    Ultimately he’s so embarrassing and self-destructive we may be better off with impeachment and Pence, whom I’ve always liked.

    The low information voters may also be tiring of the Trump Show. And Pence is acceptable to all GOP interest groups, is from the Rust Belt, and is an evangelical who’d boost their turnout.

  44. Lot says:
    @Lot

    Ray Stevens recorded the song when he was 22, and looks about 50 in the video.

    I noticed Fatima drinks Coca Cola in the video but RC Cola in the studio recording.

    Another 1960s bit of orientalism, with classy British accents:

    Ali Baba’s, who loved Ali Baba so, and wants lots of LSD:

  45. @Anon

    By lowering the passing score, you get dumber whites too and skip over a lot of smarter whites.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Trevor H.
  46. @Hail

    Will #Coulter2020 start trending?

    Merely imagining a presidential-candidate debate
    between Ann and AOC has me all hot and bothered.

    • LOL: donut
    • Replies: @Anon1
  47. El Dato says:

    Feminists ‘bury’ naked man with cut off ‘organ,’ protesting customary Women’s Day flowers

    Feminist excesses in Russia:

    A group of men armed with bouquets of tulips entered the Simona café [more like a meeting room] in St. Petersburg – an establishment that prides itself on being male-free for most of the day and serves as headquarters for local feminists a day before the public holiday on March 8.

    Despite the protests of the women in the room, the guys – from a conservative youth group [aha!] – chanted holiday greetings and quickly left. The man filming the action, however, let his prying eye linger a bit too long for the ladies and got pepper sprayed.

    While the internet debated who was wrong, and mused over the footage of the guy suffering the effects of the pepper spray, the feminist group organized a staggering response with some support from a naked man. [must be an “artist” looking for “company”] He braved the freezing temperatures to lie on the steps of an iconic wedding palace, all covered in tulips, and with a ‘torn off’ silicone penis.

    Help us Putin van Kenobi. You are our only hope!

    • Replies: @Whiskey
  48. El Dato says:
    @Lot

    Ultimately he’s so embarrassing and self-destructive we may be better off with impeachment and Pence, whom I’ve always liked.

    I can’t even fathom the unctuousness of someone pronouncing the words “Pence, whom I’ve always liked”

    You are Senator Palpatine and I claim my 2 USD.

    • Replies: @Lot
  49. @Anon1

    Well, when all the competent AA hires go to Wall Street…..

  50. Lot says:
    @Anon

    That is quite German.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
  51. Anon[319] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    major structure fires a very rare occurrence.

    Fifteen years ago, in my mid-size southern city (160 fire-whiners), the fire department put the private ambulance service out of business, and now does 18,000 calls per year; 99% of which are medical calls. The eight fire stations each average 6 calls per 24-hour shift.

    Starting salary is $38K and work schedule is 24 hours on/48 hours off. The Chief makes $130K. Full retirement is at 25 years of service for an 87% pension (capped at $90K; no COLA).

  52. Anon[319] • Disclaimer says:

    Thirty-five years ago, I took the firefighter exam in my hometown and scored quite well. Back them, starting pay was $8/hr. About a month later, I turned down the job as I was half-way through my computer science degree. The acquaintances that took the exam with me back in 1983 and accepted the job were quickly earning decent wages ($50K in 1990) and retired at 45 y/o enjoying their $50K+ annual pensions.

  53. @Hypnotoad666

    There has been some talk about giving a diversity bonus for blacks on the grading for the bar exam. In my state, Michigan, we made the test much harder about 10 years ago. The multistate section is still the same, but they added a bunch of extra areas of law on the essay portions.

    The overall pass rate went down to about half on some of the sessions, and black passage got hit very hard.

    I assume California will do it first if it happens, right now it is just a trial balloon (pun intended) here.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Anon
    , @Lot
  54. Anon[169] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    By lowering the passing score, you get dumber whites too and skip over a lot of smarter whites.

    That’s true if they randomly choose from the applicants with passing scores. Is that what they do?

    What I was thinking is that they could choose whites from the top down until they fill the white quota, then they choose blacks from their top down to fill their quota.

    Let’s say you have 100 applicants, and one scored a 1, one a 2, up to one a 99 and one a 100.

    You break these results up to the black and white rankings.

    Black: 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 … 37, 68, 75

    White: 4, 17, 36, 37 … 99, 100

    You need 30 whites and 5 blacks. So you choose whites from 100, 99, on down until you get 30, and blacks from 75, 68, 37, on down till you have 5.

    Or the other problem, if this is what you mean, is that the test has been Texas’d/Gov. Bushed/La Griffed by having it be so easy that half the applicants get perfect scores, resulting in no way to distinguish the mediocre from the bright from the genuises.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  55. Anon[169] • Disclaimer says:
    @Change that Matters

    The navy has had some weird accidents in its Pacific fleet in the past few years, a submarine surfacing into a ship, a couple of collisions, including with a Japanese naval vessel at night. It’s hard to find information on this, but there is snarky discussion online that the crews have become very vibrant and coed, with frequent inseminated seamen removed from vessels because their bellies no longer fit in their NWUs.

  56. @Hypnotoad666

    But then again, they usually get jobs in journalism or politics (like former LA mayor Villaragossa, who failed three or four times.)

    Nice illustration of the idea that successful politicians can’t be more than 20 IQ points from the bulk (about 80%) of the voters. The pol has to be smart enough to do the job (or as close to that as possible) but dumb enough to communicate with his constituency. Dumb voters -> dumb politicians.

    Counterinsurgency

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @Oddsbodkins
  57. kihowi says:

    Brooklyn firefighter Clyde Phillips was axed Wednesday

    What did they axe him?

  58. Soooo many (((losers and winners))) exhibit plain OF jealousy of Billionaire President Trump. Really is that simple.

  59. midtown says:
    @education realist

    But the licensing tests are pathetically easy. Very low bar.

  60. As others point out, the real story is the salary those guys make. In many towns, the firefighters were volunteers, and they were delighted to have the gig. This is possible mainly because there aren’t that many fires–you can have a normal job and a firefighter job at the same time.

  61. Trevor H. says:
    @Steve Sailer

    But by passing a lot of affirmative action hires, you end up with a substandard cohort that is forever being covered for by their competent co-workers. And when the time comes for promotions, they naturally fail to qualify for those as well, meaning that those qualifications must be racist too, and again the scales must be tipped in their favor.

    By this method certain people (we might almost call them ‘privileged’) manage to skate through their entire lives without ever having attained basic levels of competency or integrity. Small wonder that they act so aggrieved and are so desperately in need of special treatment, maybe even ‘reparations’.

  62. @Anon

    It’s smarter to have outright quotas that take the topscorers of each race with however many you feel necessary from each race. I recall when I wrote a lot about fire department hiring/promotion in 2009 (Ricci case) that Chicago had instead lowered the passing score so low that almost all whites passed and then went to a lottery. I vaguely think New York does the same thing, but I could be wrong.

    • Replies: @Anon
  63. @Lawyer Guy

    California has traditionally had a tough bar exam. There was a black guy in Compton who passed it on his (IIRC) 46th try. Education Realist argues that some Southern states like Mississippi have an easier bar exam than the exam to become a high school math teacher in California.

  64. @Anon

    I’m sure the social engineering looks exactly the same.

  65. Trevor H. says:
    @Steve Sailer

    A lawyer who tells you how hard the bar exam was is a lawyer you don’t want to hire.

  66. Lurker says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    And they typically spend two weeks per month off

    Don’t the really smart ones parlay that into other jobs/businesses?

  67. @Dude

    Only in the suppurating cesspool cities,

    In the majority of white America local fire companies are volunteer based, some 70% of all firefighters in the country.

    These, of course, are the real heroes, the backbone of the communities that they serve (and serve in the real sense of the word) They are never lauded or even acknowledged by the Statist media filth.

  68. @Anon1

    ” you get the chance to live comfortably in one of the coolest cities in the world.”

    Don’t get out much, do you?

  69. @Lot

    Time for you to shuffle back to National Review Offline.

  70. @Anon

    It’s been fairly conclusively demonstrated that women drive ships no better than they do cars.

    People die and the disciplinary consequence are laughable.

    There’s a great deal of resentment on some of the naval related blogs.

  71. Anon[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lawyer Guy

    California has unaccredited law schools. Their students have to take a “baby bar” after the first year. This is a weed-out step tho get rid of students who no-way-no-how are going to graduate and pass the bar. Saves them time and student loan debt.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Bar_of_California#Unaccredited_law_school_study

  72. Anon[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Yes. That’s literally what I thought I said. It’s what I meant anyway.

    To the extent that they are not doing that, it’s possibly because:

    1. Disparate impact law may be interpreted to require tests that do not have disproportionate results, and proportional outcomes cobbled together from tests that have disproportionate results do not comply with that, or

    2. It’s just another way to obfuscate and conceal objective, numerical evidence of “the gap.”

    It seems like it’s okay to test and present results that show the “achievement gap” through secondary school, since this is the evidence needed to get finding and “reforms” like what’s happening in New York. But once you hit college level education the goal seems to be to conceal any gap, in preparation for sending blacks out into the workforce, pretending that they are absolutely equal in qualifications, thus rendering any numerical disparities as discrimination, implicit bias, structural racism, or some other supernatural witchcraft-based explanation.

  73. @Ed

    People like Derbyshire annoy me, so who is he going to vote for, Biden or Kamala? Maybe support MD governor Hogan in a primary?

    Trump was way off base attacking Ann but let’s keep things in perspective.

    Agreed. A Kamala or a Warren president would be so much worse. Trump is the best we can hope for. Coulter is great too. We can only expect the president to do so much and IMO Trump has surpassed expectations.

  74. Anon[328] • Disclaimer says:

    Is what the NYFD did simply to make an easier test?

    Isn’t the goal in cases like this for the plaintiffs to claim that the test is biased, and demand that the defendant make a new test that isn’t biased? Or that the test does not test stuff needed in the job, and to make a test that correlates tightly with job performance

    Just making an easier test is conceding that black candidates are weaker, not that they are descirminated against, isn’t it?

    It seems like the general flow is to give a general cognitive skills test, an IQ test-like test predicts job performance for any job. Then blacks score low. Then blacks say the test discriminates in some way and doesn’t test specific skills needed in the job. The employer thinks that general cognitive skills are what is needed to learn on the job, but whatever, they make a new test that is a general cognitive skills test with some job-related varnish on it: red : fire engine :: fork and ladder : ??? a. chili beans b. fire hose …

    But it’s still just an IQ test. So they put in some specific knowledge, like a question about how many teeth on a grinder wheel can be broken before it needs to be replaced under department policy. In theory, high IQ people are going to be able to learn and remember this stuff better than lower IQ people, but it may open the door to some motivated borderline blacks.

    Ultimately, it’s impossible to make any kind of test that blacks will natually score on equally to whites. Any test with a cognitive component is an IQ test with some noise in the results, and there are no tests with no cognitive components at all. Well, maybe a musical rhythm or an absolute pitch test.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  75. GW says:
    @Lot

    Thank God for this. Long overdue. Coulter needs to shut her mouth (women in politics generally do). What a harpy nag.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  76. Danindc says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    You forgot an important duty that these firefighters perform: combing each other’s mustaches

  77. CCZ says:
    @Ed

    Maybe the old (1975 interview) Joe Biden, not the 2020 Joe Biden:

    I am philosophically opposed to quota systems. They insure mediocrity….

    I do not buy the concept, popular in the ’60s, which said, ‘We have suppressed the black man for 300 years and the white man is now far ahead in the race for everything our society offers. In order to even the score, we must now give the black man a head start, or even hold the white man back, to even the race.’ I don’t buy that.

    I don’t feel responsible for the sins of my father and grandfather. I feel responsible for what the situation is today, for the sins of my own generation. And I’ll be damned if I feel responsible to pay for what happened 300 years ago.

    The new integration plans being offered are really just quota systems to assure a certain number of blacks, Chicanos, or whatever in each school. That, to me, is the most racist concept you can come up with. What it says is, ‘In order for your child with curly black hair, brown eyes, and dark skin to be able to learn anything, he needs to sit next to my blond-haired, blue-eyed son.’ That’s racist! Who the hell do we think we are, that the only way a black man or woman can learn is if they rub shoulders with my white child?

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/03/good-thing-there-are-no-statues-of-joe-biden.php

    https://www.takimag.com/article/the-week-that-perished-29/

    • Replies: @res
  78. @simple_pseudonymic_handle

    Pose is strikingly similar to that of our dear Clyde.

  79. Meanwhile, Weimerica continues to be torn apart between those who want the judge to drop the case and those who want the defendant to drop the soap:

    “What is happening here is, frankly, a media gang bang of this guy of unprecedented proportions,” says Mark Geragos, Jussie Smollett’s attorney, about his client’s indictment on 16 felony counts, adding, “It’s startling the way people assume he’s guilty.”

    “I defy anybody to find any indictment anywhere where somebody has brought 16 counts for being a victim of a hate crime, basically.”

    https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1104202832671068160/video/1

    Either way, Jussie will end up crying tears of joy.

  80. @GW

    There’s a significant chance that history could show that Donald Trump would not even be in the position he is in were it not for (very-likely) VDare-influenced Ann Coulter’s Adios America being pubished at a very opportune time. Mr. Trump would likely have gotten nowhere, especially later on in the R-primary, had he not distinguished himself from the other candidates on the immigration issue.

    Mr. Trump ran with this issue, and ran ON this issue. He has been completely failing us due to both stupidity and cowardice. Ann Coulter is right. Fuck this guy. I’d vote for Miss Coulter over Trump – I wouldn’t even have to think about it.

    Ann Coulter is not the sell-out Trump has been. She wouldn’t be all bullshit and no action, as she actually has great conservative/libertarian principles. (I never expected Trump to have principles; it’s just that I believed, and still do to some extent, that he cares about the American people more than the rest of Washington, FS.) Guess what one of Ann Coulter’s conservative principles is, Mr. GW? She doesn’t agree with Amendment XIX on the woman’s right to vote! I’M WITH HER!

    • Agree: Lot, Hail
  81. But Steve, that’s not important.

    What’s important is that Jussie is being gangbanged by the media!

    (Who says such things?)

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/03/jussie-smollett-attorney-mark-garagos-what-is-happening-here-frankly-is-a-media-gang-bang-of-this-guy/

  82. mmack says:
    @Dude

    Hey, just because YOU don’t have a strong public sector union setting your pay scale, don’t dis Clyde!

    The big question is if like Chicago, does NYC allow their Police and Firefighters to play the overtime lottery? In Chicago the deal was always:
    – Da Mare (The Mayor In Chicagoese) complains dere ain’t no money ta hire no more Police an Firemen.
    – HOWEVER, dere’s ALWAYS more cash for working overtime.
    – Police and Firemen start singing “We’re In Da Money” and ringing up YUGE amounts of OT: https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2018/12/06/some-chicago-firefighters-doubling-their-salaries-through-overtime/

    So Clyde’s base may be realistic but if NYC lets Police and Fire staff ride the OT Gravy Train it explains earning $124K after four years.

  83. @Lot

    Are you saying that Germans are the South Koreans of European popular culture? That they just try too hard to be “cool” and “with it”, but they remain, well, German?

    • Replies: @Lot
  84. Jack D says:
    @Change that Matters

    This is not a matter of appearances. Facial hair interferes with the sealing of their face masks.

  85. @Hypnotoad666

    A couple of years ago, my city, which sits on the Ohio, tried to make the firemen get trained to install the flood gates on the flood wall. There is a major station that sits one block from the two main gates. The firemen pitched a holy fit. Asking them to do that kind of labor would cut down on the time they spent lifting weights, making group trips to Wal Mart in a fire engine, and sleeping.
    The city backed down and left the job with the garbage truck drivers who had been doing it for years. Of course on the days the gates are installed trash doesn’t get picked up.

  86. @Anon

    I thought you meant The Streak.

  87. ladderff says:
    @Dude

    As a priority hire he would have started at top pay with retroactive seniority. To hit that number he was also no doubt getting overtime outside the firehouse working for the recruitment unit or something related.

  88. @Hypnotoad666

    For example, the racial disparity in pass rates for the Bar Exam in most states is enormous. I sincerely feel bad for people who spend three years of time and money to go to law school and then aren’t allowed to practice.

    They’re the lucky ones.

    • Replies: @Charles
  89. anonymous[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @simple_pseudonymic_handle

    I remember seeing Frazier in Manhattan, standing on the sidewalk next to his parked Rolls-Royce, talking with a bunch of excited little black boys and signing autographs (free) for them.
    One of the most kind and generous things I’ve seen a real sports star do at the height of his fame.

  90. danand says:
    @Clyde

    “They are not out there naming their girls La’Quanishta and the like.”

    Clyde,

    Check out Queasia, a contestant on Monday’s or Tuesday’s (?) episode of Let’s Make a Deal. The bit of fun starts @ the 2:30 mark in the YouTube video. This is typical Wayne Brady dealing with “special” names: wonder when/if he’s ever going to be reeled in?

  91. brioche says:
    @Hail

    What have the people who keep criticizing Trump done? Formed some organizations to take over the Republican party, like AIPAC or ADL? Run for congress? Done anything politically to support Trump apart from bitching on twitter?

    Do they really think that without an independent power base and serious attacks by Mueller, Trump can just build a wall like an Emperor?

  92. @Hypnotoad666

    For example, the racial disparity in pass rates for the Bar Exam in most states is enormous. I sincerely feel bad for people who spend three years of time and money to go to law school and then aren’t allowed to practice.

    What about those who fail to pass the medical exam.

    Surely there should be a consolation prize or something.

    Maybe they could get to call themselves witch-doctors and can only practice on consenting adults.

    It’s so unfair, we have to do something.

    • Replies: @Olorin
  93. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I doubt this. State bar exams usually consist of 2 or 3 sections, one of which is the Multi-State Bar Exam, which is a 200 question multiple choice type test. The Multistate is given in every state except for Louisiana (which retains vestiges of the French system of civil or Napoleonic law) and requires you to have a fairly good understanding of the law. However, each state sets its own scoring cutoff. Mississippi is on the low end of the range with 132 but only a point away from the 133 required in NY and California is on the high end with 144. (The score is a scaled score and not just the raw # of questions right).

    https://www.jdadvising.com/passing-mbe-score-state/

    The other sections of the test are also moving toward uniformity – the Uniform Bar Exam has been adopted in 33 states including Mississippi (although again each state sets its own cutoff).

    We are living in an increasingly national (if not multinational) world so large disparities in licensing standards, building codes, etc. between states are becoming more and more rare.

    • Replies: @education realist
  94. Don’t the really smart ones parlay that into other jobs/businesses?

    I guess that depends on your definition of “really smart“.

  95. @education realist

    ed, Federal Judge, Kimba Wood, I think a Clinton appointment and a former Playboy Bunny, twice trashed the NY city tearchers exam as racist. Keep lowering the bar and then wonder why NY has some of the worst performing schools in the nation. In 2015 school districts across the state spent an average of $19,999 per stident.

    • Replies: @education realist
  96. @Lurker

    Lurker, My Ironworker local union had about 8 or 10 firemen who carried a book and worked on their days off.

    • Replies: @Anon
  97. @simple_pseudonymic_handle

    ‘Clyde’s parents may have been Knicks fans.’

    ? ‘Parent,’ surely. The article makes it quite clear Clyde was black. The odds are the father wasn’t around for the actual birth.

  98. @Lot

    Traded the base that got him elected for Boomers obsessed with their 401k and coastal strivers.

    Good luck with that.

    #YangGang2020

    • Replies: @Lot
  99. @simple_pseudonymic_handle

    Walt Frazier played in what was arguably the greatest Division II basketball game ever played.

    This from Wiki,

    “Frazier became one of the premier collegiate basketball players in the country. He was named a Division II All-American in 1964 and 1965. As a sophomore in 1965, Frazier led SIU to the NCAA Division II Tournament, only to lose in the finals to Jerry Sloan and the Evansville Purple Aces. 85-82 in overtime.

    And what a game that was! Two future NBA stars playing on small-college teams for the National Championship. And it went into overtime. I was there. As an eighth grade basketball player I received a complimentary season pass to every Aces’ home game at Roberts Municipal Stadium (seated 12,500!) and went to all of them. And this one was a humdinger, the nail-bitingest of the lot.

    The stadium was literally packed to the rafters. 13,000 fans for a game featuring colleges with enrollments of less than 3500 for the Aces and 5000 for the Salukis. Course the two had been long time rivals, the Aces being at the top of Division 2 ball for nearly the entirety of Aces’ coach Arad McCutheon’s illustrious (Hall of Fame) career.

    “he guided them to five NCAA College Division Basketball Championships (1959, 1960, 1964, 1965, 1971) as well as three undefeated seasons in their conference (1964, 1965, 1971). McCutchan was named NCAA College Division Coach of the Year two times (1964, 1965). He was an assistant coach to Gene Bartow for the US national team in the 1974 FIBA World Championship, where he won the bronze medal.[1] On April 27, 1981 he was elected to the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame.”

    Again, what a game.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  100. @Lot

    ‘The low information voters may also be tiring of the Trump Show. And Pence is acceptable to all GOP interest groups, is from the Rust Belt, and is an evangelical who’d boost their turnout.’

    Plus, he enjoys serving Israel. A perfect president for the US.

    Edit: oh look. It’s Lot the Zionist who’s plugging Pence. Is that a coincidence, or what? You gotta admit: he keeps his priorities straight.

    • Replies: @Lot
  101. njguy73 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I was a Nets fan back then. The only one in town. I’ve blocked out memories of that other team.

    Let me guess: you grew up on Long Island during the Dr. J-ABA era? I used to see them at the old Brendan Byrne/Continental Airlines Arena. From Buck Williams to Derrick Coleman, from Drazen Petrovic (RIP) to the Jason Kidd/Vince Carter era. I haven’t been to the Barclays Center yet.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  102. @Harry Baldwin

    Vox Day is a high IQ moron.

    Trump is openly pushing mass legal immigration and he is refusing to deport the upwards of 30 million illegal alien invaders in the USA, and this high IQ bonehead Vox Day is still a Trump supporter? Vox Day and Trump can go to Hell!

  103. Yeah FF is a good job but its feast far more than famine as far as OpTempo goes, especially when cities have their FFs acting as EMS. You deal with homeless people shitting themselves for a free ride to the ED and a warm place to sleep and you start to see why they get paid what they do.

    Its also like PDs in that a high number of retirees are physically done by the time 20 years rolls around – knees blown out, backs shot, shoulders torn. The stats on how long FFs live after retirement are better than PD, but not that much.

    That being said I thought I made good money for what I did, but every single Captain in a city around 30k people I rode with always talked about their boatS while the booters were working two jobs until they could start working OT.

  104. Whiskey says: • Website
    @El Dato

    This cannot be said enough. With a few exceptions like Coulter women are the natural and eternal enemy of the beta White male.

    Trump indeed never intended to do anything but WWE feud with people. We might as well have elected Vince McMahon. Time to get off the hopium and realize America is dead and gone. Over. White survival in a non White majority place in a nap is still possible.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    , @Lot
  105. njguy73 says:

    Brooklyn firefighter Clyde Phillips was axed Wednesday after his third arrest stemming from charges of domestic violence, The Post has learned. …

    And he played in the NFL, one arrest and people would be clamoring for his expulsion from the game.

    Just goes to show where our country’s behavior standards are.

  106. Hi Joe, You say, “Lurker, My Ironworker local union had about 8 or 10 firemen who carried a book and worked on their days off.”

    What does “carried a book” mean? Slang for numbers-running?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    , @Buffalo Joe
  107. Barnard says:
    @res

    I would guess they figured out a way to keep him out of any situations where he could have endangered any lives. Especially the lives of his fellow firefighters. Self preservation has to outrank AA at the firehouse level.

  108. Mr. Anon says:
    @prosa123

    Nice pay with less than four years on the job.

    That’s because when other people are running out of a building, he’s shoving a woman up against the wall of the building.

  109. Pat Boyle says:
    @Anon

    Actually whites should get affirmative action preferences rather than blacks. The judge is obviously not a critical thinker.but a brain dead time server.

    Affirmative action is supposed to compensate for environmental and genetic deficiencies. You can argue as to whether that makes any sense as a public policy but it cannot be disputed that blacks have a huge innate advantage as firemen.

    When I was a senior in college I and a lot of my fellow soon to be graduates considered grad school. The clever solution was to join the fire department. In San Francisco most firemen even back then worked barely part time. The ticket to an advanced degree was to go to a firehouse – earn a good salary and have plenty of free time to get a Masters or Doctorate.

    The only fly in this particular ointment was the eye exam. Firemen need to have good eyes. Then as now – I wore glasses. I couldn’t get in the door. Without my glasses I could barely find the door.

    But normal blacks have about half the myopia of Caucasians. So blacks have a built in genetic advantage in qualifying to be a fireman. Surely it is incumbent on us a good citizens to redress this genetic injustice. We need to give the poor white guy so cruelly discriminated against by nature some measure of social justice. Preference to whites.

  110. Anon[349] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    America(and the West), a civilization that has decided to put atop the highest pedestal a race that routinely acts like this:

    https://pix11.com/2019/03/08/rapper-a-boogie-wit-da-hoodie-event-sparks-chaos-violence-at-queens-center-mall/

    Such a civilization cannot last for long.

  111. @Anon

    Derbyshire had a blogpost about this :
    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/a-politically-incorrect-question-about-our-fender-bender-navy/

    A few years ago, two young female cadets of the German navy fell over board and died. At least one of them only got the job due to affirmative action for females, because she had problems with her fitness.

  112. @Steve Sailer

    Yeah, I think it’s logically possible. I have no proof.

    But California’s exams in everything are hard: bar, teaching, any license you can think of, CA is generally tougher. Most black and Hispanic math teachers, for example, come through the traditionally quite strenuous math teaching programs at the CSUs, rather than take the licensure tests. The CSU system has formally agreed to a certain level of rigor, but it’s easier for someone to get a C in the class and show a particularly temporary mastery, then keep it all in memory for long enough to pass a test. On the other hand, the test has no level of instruction behind it, so the test is considerably harder.

    I don’t know how that’s going to hold up now that the CSU is ending all remediation. Up to now, unqualified students would have been kept out of CSU by the remediation requirement; now, they’ll get in. It might put more pressure on the programs to pass more.

    Alabama was sued 30ish years ago for a discriminatory bar exam. It’s widely considered now to have one of the easiest. You can see that here, where each state exam is compared to California, with passage rate and average LSAT score factored in.

    Bar exams have changed and they are now easier in many cases–California recently dropped its cut score under intense pressure.

    The thing about teaching is that, unlike other credential exams, the testers must actually show competence with actual high school material. It makes it harder to fudge. At least so far.

  113. @Jack D

    California is unquestionably the hardest bar exam. This is not really disputed. Even after it has reduced its cut score, under pressure, I think it’s still considered the hardest.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  114. prosa123 says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    P.s., I don’t know if it’s the same everywhere – but modern building codes, automated fire alarm and sprinkler systems (and probably better arson forensics), have made major structure fires a very rare occurrence. Most cities have waaay more highly paid firefighters than they really need.

    With its many older buildings NYC does tend to have proportionately more major fires than some other large cities. Not enough to justify all its fire companies, of course, but the excess is not quite as extreme as one might imagine.
    The city’s biggest fire in recent years actually wasn’t a building fire. Several months ago the security guards at a Brooklyn shopping mall booted out a skell that had been living in the parking garage. Distressed by the loss of his favorite snooze spot, the skell soon returned and started a fire. It spread through the garage so rapidly that more than 100 cars went up in smoke. Most of them were new Mercedes, a dealership’s excess inventory that it had been paying to store in the garage.

  115. @Buffalo Joe

    Do you actually think it’s likely that I don’t know about Kimba Wood and the NY teacher’s test? Isn’t it more likely that your understanding of what happened is flawed? Kimba Wood’s decision had nothing to do with proving competency in subject matter.

    There’s next to no correlation between teacher cognitive ability and student outcomes, by the way.

    Sorry for being rude, it’s just people whose understanding is from the Big Book of Stuff that Wasn’t Even True Thirty Years Ago get tedious real fast.

  116. @Hypnotoad666

    It’s been well-established for at least 6 years, since I first started writing about it, that firefighters don’t really fight fires anymore, at least in cities and suburbs.

    https://educationrealist.wordpress.com/2012/08/29/why-chris-christie-picks-on-teachers/

    For whatever reason, they’ve been allowed to convert to a form of EMT, which is expensive and idiotic, unless the state thinks of this as a way to keep trained personnel handy for named fires.

  117. @Counterinsurgency

    The most successful politicians are very smart but know how to ‘code shift’ / dumb it down as needed for the audience. Bill Clinton for example.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  118. vinny says:
    @education realist

    Whenever someone scrapes a knee in my town, the FD sends the freaking ladder (or, if it’s busy, one of many giant pumpers). Hundreds of gallons of diesel burnt and, if it’s a serious problem, they’ll have to call the ambulance anyway.

    Sorry if you old rich guys are heavily exposed to Munis…

  119. bomag says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    There’s better ways to do AA.

  120. @education realist

    ed, You know sometimes people comment in a comment about things that are germaine to the subject, like a judge declaring a test to be racist because not enough minorities passed. Sorry I bunched your panties.

  121. bomag says:
    @Anon

    does the judge order himself…

    The key to happiness and success today is to have immunity from the hoop-jumping.

  122. @education realist

    …they’ve been allowed to convert to a form of EMT…

    My father spent his last few years in an independent living facility. He told me one thing you didn’t want to do was be seen falling down by one of the staff. If you were, they’d all 911 and a firetruck and ambulance would pull up in front of the facility, and you’d be strapped to a stretcher and taken down to the ER for a few usually unnecessary tests. Best to get back on your feet ASAP and hope no one noticed.

  123. bomag says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Hit in ”62; music video out in ”95.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  124. Alfa158 says:
    @Anon1

    In my neck of the woods firefighters are frequently real estate entrepreneurs and landlords. The job generates lots of cash for investments and includes long stretches of time off, plus down time at the fire station. Some of these guys never have to work again after 40 or 50. Even after the pension funds eventually implode, most of them will still be set.

  125. riches says:
    @Lot

    Even with a paragraph break between them, the sentence stubs “Pence, whom I’ve always liked” and “low information voters” seem remarkably linked.

    I’ll reject comparing Pence with one common reptile, choosing “chamelion” instead.

    In addition to his legislation reversals as governor, which politicians do from time to time, this is a guy who switched both party affiliations and religions.

  126. Lugash says:
    @Anon

    Pro Publica did a lengthy investigation into two of the accidents. The on-the-line reading is that the US Navy is overstretched and under trained(i.e. computer based training replacing hands on instruction on how to steer a billion dollar warship. The between the lines message is that most of the female officers panicked and didn’t take charge like they should have. There were poasts floating around that minority enlisted weren’t bothering to pass the watch exam after both of these incidents.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/us-navy-uss-fitzgerald-uss-john-s-mccain-crash-pacific-how-we-investigated

  127. prosa123 says:
    @education realist

    For whatever reason, [firefighters have] been allowed to convert to a form of EMT, which is expensive and idiotic, unless the state thinks of this as a way to keep trained personnel handy for named fires.

    NYC has a very different take on that. While the EMS Bureau is part of the FDNY, it’s very much a poor relation that’s barely accepted as part of the family. EMT’s earn a fraction of what firefighters make and get an even smaller fraction of the respect.

    • Replies: @mmack
  128. @Clyde

    Clyde is a proper English name…

    Wow. With just one poorly-chosen descriptor, you have managed to unite Rangers and Celtic supporters against you.

    Not to mention these guys:

    • Replies: @Clyde
    , @Cortes
  129. @education realist

    Good information marred by gratuitous snark.

    • Replies: @res
    , @education realist
  130. Carol says:
    @Lurker

    My mother’s second husband worked for LAFD and also built houses, sold real estate but mostly did cement work on his days off.

  131. MikeJa says:

    Why would they fire someone for a non work-related charge? If I’m stuck in a burning building, I’m not looking for a saintly 130lb lesbian to rescue me. I want a big strong guy who can carry me down a ladder. Who cares what he does off-duty?

  132. res says:
    @CCZ

    It’s worth noting that this was during a controversial debate over school busing in Delaware while Biden was a freshman senator.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bidens-tough-talk-on-1970s-school-desegregation-plan-could-get-new-scrutiny-in-todays-democratic-party/2019/03/07/9115583e-3eb2-11e9-a0d3-1210e58a94cf_story.html

    I wonder if the sudden (re?) appearance of this in the news is the POC wing of the Democrats telling Joe it is not “his turn.”

    P.S. This quote from that article illustrates Biden was at least able to notice things then.

    “The real problem with busing,” he said, was that “you take people who aren’t racist, people who are good citizens, who believe in equal education and opportunity, and you stunt their children’s intellectual growth by busing them to an inferior school . . . and you’re going to fill them with hatred.”

    It is almost as if they actually wanted to increase inter-racial hatred.

    • Replies: @Lot
  133. res says:
    @Faraday's Bobcat

    Pretty much ER’s playbook. Though sometimes it is worth double checking the information. The gratuitous snark is omnipresent.

    • Replies: @education realist
  134. Flip says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Mr. Trump would likely have gotten nowhere, especially later on in the R-primary, had he not distinguished himself from the other candidates on the immigration issue.

    I remember quite clearly that Trump started to overtake Jeb! when he started talking about illegal immigration while Jeb! was defending it as an “act of love.”

  135. @Buffalo Joe

    Sigh.

    The reason Kimba Wood was able to declare that test to have disparate impact is because it was NOT about subject matter.

    Here’s what you clearly don’t know: NY teachers have to pass all the usual subject matter credential tests. She did not declare any of them racist, because the case history on this is well-established.

    The only test that she declare invalid was the *first* literacy skills test. Teachers had to pass this *in addition* to the subject matter credential tests–the ones that you clearly don’t know anything about.

    Kimba Wood declared the first of those literacy skills tests to have disparate impact. But it was widely expected that the second test would pass muster, and it did. Yes, that’s right, the same Kimba Wood who twice declared one particular literacy test to have disparate impact, then ruled that a second literacy test, the one that was designed specifically to pass the newer requirements, DID NOT HAVE disparate impact. So that test was allowed through.

    Here’s the other part that you again clearly don’t know about: the second literacy skills test was removed by the NY Legislature AFTER it passed judicial scrutiny. There was a lot of data showing that blacks and Hispanics who *passed* their subject matter competency tests were failing this one, and even if it didn’t show disparate impact they wanted to remove a barrier that was affecting blacks and Hispanics.

    So there’s, like, four paragraphs of stuff that I didn’t feel like explaining the first time around, the paragraphs that show you have no idea what you’re talking about, all because of this:

    The New York test did not involve subject matter competency. So it was irrelevant to my point.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  136. @Buffalo Joe

    Don’t engage with this guy, he’ll never be anything but rude and sarcastic. His blog is interesting, but just leave it at that.

  137. @Faraday's Bobcat

    Buffalo Joe was trying to rebut a point when he had no idea what he was talking about. He was wrong twice–first, he was saying that the New York teacher credential tests weren’t in effect, because a judge had trashed them as racist. Then he was saying that this is why New York has crappy schools, because teachers are stupid.

    If you want people to be nice, don’t act like you know what you’re talking about when you don’t.

    Had he said, “Hey, I thought New York banned its credential tests for being racist”, I would not have been hard on him.

    Moreover, this discussion has been routinely filled with people snarking about blacks being stupid, and there’s all sorts of racist and anti-Semitic comments as well (here and elsewhere). Likewise, all sorts of attacks on various people in the media.

    So “all blacks are stupid morons and the NY Fire Department is just as stupid for hiring them” is quite rude, but I don’t see you bitching about gratuitous snark.

    • Replies: @res
    , @Buffalo Joe
  138. @res

    Speaking of fact checking, there are at least five comments made by me in this thread that refute your assertion.

    • Replies: @res
    , @J.Ross
  139. @Lugash

    The between the lines message is that most of the female officers panicked and didn’t take charge like they should have.

    I’m not sure you have to read between the lines:

    https://features.propublica.org/navy-accidents/uss-fitzgerald-destroyer-crash-crystal/

    The 26-year-old officer of the deck, who was in charge of the destroyer at the time of the crash, had navigated the route only once before in daylight. In a panic, she ordered the Fitzgerald to turn directly into the path of the Crystal.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  140. res says:
    @education realist

    If you define omnipresent as “in every comment” then you are correct about my final sentence. However, I think this thread as a whole more confirms than refutes my point. So perhaps let’s settle for “almost always present” or “present to an annoying degree” or “present to a point which detracts from the information given.”

    P.S. It’s not good to project as much of yourself into your interpretation of other’s comments as you are doing with Buffalo Joe (see your comment 102). You are being much too hard on what I am quite sure was intended as a somewhat snarky aside by him. Correct if you will, but no need to be such an ass about it.

    • Replies: @education realist
  141. J.Ross says: • Website
    @education realist

    Whoa, what a snarkmarred fact.

  142. res says:
    @education realist

    but I don’t see you bitching about gratuitous snark.

    You understand the difference between gratuitously snarking at other commenters and at outside groups, right?

    • Replies: @education realist
  143. no way to distinguish the mediocre from the bright from the genuises.

    Fire and Police Departments don’t really want bright and they certainly don’t want geniuses.

    12/18/14 – US Court Ruling: You Can Be “Too Smart” to Be a Cop. Police department disqualifies anyone whose IQ is “too high”

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-court-ruled-you-can-be-too-smart-to-be-a-cop/5420630

    Can a person actually be “too smart” to be a cop in America?

    A federal court’s decision back in 2000 suggests that, yes, you actually can be.

    Robert Jordan, a 49-year-old college graduate, scored a 33 on an intelligence test he took as part of the application process to become a police officer in the town of New London, Connecticut. The score meant Jordan had an IQ of 125.

    The average score for police officers was a 21-22, or an IQ of 104. New London would only interview candidates who scored between 20 and 27…The police department went on to continue automatically disqualifying anyone whose IQ was “too high.” Jordan went on to become a prison guard instead…

  144. @education realist

    California is unquestionably the hardest bar exam. This is not really disputed. Even after it has reduced its cut score, under pressure, I think it’s still considered the hardest.

    And once diversity law (the successor to “poverty law”) is worked into the testing, it will only get that much harder. Wokemon is tough to navigate, as Steve’s regular readers are well aware.

  145. @education realist

    New York’s gun licensing laws just have to show “disparate impact”. Why is it acceptable in this one area alone?

    One of the NYC papers sent ten white applicants and ten black applicants with similar applications. All the former and none of the latter were approved. That’s a correlation of 1.0, rarely seen anywhere.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
  146. @bomag

    Hit in ”62; music video out in ”95.

    Well, that is within the lifespans of dromedary and Bactrian camels. Clyde was pretty agile for someone of his advanced age, though.

  147. @ben tillman

    Can you imagine?

    Literally the first rule of boating is that you turn to STARBOARD to avoid a collision. She turned to port.

  148. @Lugash

    Pro Publica did a lengthy investigation into two of the accidents. The on-the-line reading is that the US Navy is overstretched and under trained(i.e. computer based training replacing hands on instruction on how to steer a billion dollar warship.

    Supposedy, my brother-in-law was the last navigator the Navy had who could navigate by the stars.

  149. @Hail

    “@Coulter2020” I don’t know if making sarcastic comments for a living (as much as I agree with them most of the time) about the enemy translates to being a strong President. It’s one thing being a rich conservative personality who takes a little crap now and again, it’s another to put on the armor and go into battle electorally with the by any means necessary crowd.

  150. Lot says:
    @Inquiring Mind

    No, they’re cool in their own way. But I agree there’s a goofy try hard and show it element.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  151. @res

    Obviously not. Kind of my point. Which whizzed right on over your head.

    • LOL: res
    • Replies: @Trevor H.
  152. @res

    Maybe not spend quite so much time tone policing. It makes you look weird.

    • Replies: @res
    , @BenKenobi
  153. Lot says:
    @El Dato

    Rather than ad hominem, tell me why I shouldn’t like him?

    If you check out some of his talk radio transcripts, I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised.

    Also, while low on the list of priorities, his fidelity to his first and somewhat plain wife is admirable, both on its own, and because it is catnip to older female voters.

    While I can’t prove this view is widespread, I think it is: I am personally tired of Trump’s theatrics and twittering and lurches left and right. Of course I will vote for him again, but it will be eating a poop sandwich rather than something I’d be proud to do.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @donut
    , @donut
    , @Mr. Anon
  154. @Reg Cæsar

    New York’s gun licensing laws just have to show “disparate impact”. Why is it acceptable in this one area alone?

    The disparate impact should be based on whether there is a disparate rate of gun violence per non-existant race.

  155. mmack says:
    @prosa123

    Apparently NYC’s view is changing. If you look at the NY Post story Steve links to, there’s a link to this story: https://nypost.com/2019/03/08/overtime-cap-lifted-for-understaffed-overworked-emts/. From what I can read Noo Yawk EMts have gotten their tickets punched to ride the same OT Gravy Train Chicagah Fire Fighters normally ride.

  156. res says:
    @education realist

    Maybe not spend so much time acting like an ass. Or perhaps you aren’t acting. Carry on.

  157. Lot says:
    @res

    Busing was the real end of the left driving culture/race issues that really started in in 1963.

    The shift in some cases was a quiet one: a lot of liberal northern Republicans were replaced by conservatives in primaries. And some were even replaced by center-rightish Democrats. Democrat Koch was to the right of Republican Lindsey and all the Democrats he beat in the 77 primary (Abzug, Cuomo, Beame). And Koch actually won both the GOP and Dem primary when he first ran for reelection.

  158. Clyde says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Now I get it. Clyde is a right and proper Scottish name. All I know is there is Port Clyde in Maine where sardines were landed, maybe still are. I have toured through Maine sardine canning factories twice. They were very nice in allowing the curious tourists to take a look.
    Musta been some Scottish slave owners in the Caribbean. Sugar cane plantations back then. This is why Caribbean people (blacks) still like the name Clyde. The name Clive must be similar.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  159. Lot says:
    @Lawyer Guy

    “In my state, Michigan, we made the test much harder about 10 years ago.”

    Good policy. Michigan does not need more lawyers.

    At the Home Depot a few years ago I had a chat with the lumber section manager. He was a lawyer in Oakland County MI for 20 years, his firm failed, and now he’s making $12/hr at a store after moving in with his kid in California because the legal market there doesn’t pay that much.

    Now maybe he was a bad lawyer, certainly he wasn’t one of the best. But he had 20 years with a job, which he told me he liked until the end.

    • Replies: @res
  160. Forbes says:
    @Anon1

    In NYC, firemen don’t retire after 20 years–cops do, unless they’re management–but firemen all have second gigs, so they catch up on their sleep while on-call, on-duty. With cell phones, laptops, and email, you can run a second business from the station.

    The senior man on the rig becomes the chauffeur (driver), which means he doesn’t mask-up and enter a building his last 10 years on the job. He runs the pump or the aerial tower. Which also means he could stay on the job until mandatory retirement at 65 (racking up service years for pension calc)–though most will leave after 30 years, in his 50s.

  161. Daniel H says:
    @Ed

    >>People like Derbyshire annoy me, so who is he going to vote for, Biden or Kamala? Maybe support MD governor Hogan in a primary?

    No, no, no. You are channeling the old National Review strategy: vote for the least bad “conservative” or the “conservative” who has the best chance of winning. No. Doesn’t work. Get’s us nowhere. Give a cuck an inch and he will take a mile. If Trump cucks out, I turn my back.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  162. Ibound1 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Please.
    It is pure reading comprehension and rote memorization. My senior high school physics class was harder. An intelligent person who had never gone to law school could pass it if he or she took a six week bar review class. In California you can take the bar exam without graduating from an ABA accredited law school. At least you could have when I took it. Of course the passing rate sucks. Morons who should never have go to law school at all take it.

    The Bar Exam should be far more rigorous than it is. You should have to show some thinking ability.
    I suppose the LSAT is for that. But no matter how low your LSAT there is a law school somewhere that will take you.

  163. mmack says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    From what I’ve seen living near Chicago and another major midwestern city, city firefighters will get more calls to actually put out fires than their suburban counterparts. In major cities you have:
    – Housing stock that predates WW2, or at least 1950
    – More and older apartment complexes than the suburbs
    – Older factories and warehouses full of highly flammable stuff

    Usually the older housing stock and apartments were owned or rented by Diverse or ¡Vibrant! populations, and the fires would start in the fall and winter when the occupants would utilize “creative” ways to supplement the old heating, like electric space or kerosene heaters (or even the stove or oven) that would invariably catch something in the structure on fire. If folks were sleeping a lack of smoke alarms would fail to rouse the occupants until it was too late. Or in the case of an apartment fire a few years back, a Diverse resident felt the prohibition against using a charcoal grill out on the WOODEN deck of his complex didn’t apply to him. After firing up the grill late at night and consuming multiple alcoholic drinks while cooking he went back into his apartment to sleep it off while not properly extinguishing the coals. Not surprisingly the hot coals fell out of the grill vents, lit the deck on fire, and started a blaze that consumed the apartment block.

    Or you have children left alone at home, and the little boys find and play with matches or a lighter, and burn the whole damned place down.

    The last time I saw a suburban house fire was last fall when a bolt of lightning hit a house near us a few blocks away and stared an electrical fire in the attic. Nobody was home at the time and the neighbors called 911. It was a big enough fire to make the local TV news.

  164. Cortes says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Probably Welsh (Brythonic):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clwyd

    since the area formed the Dark Age Kingdom of Strathclyde (nice essay in Norman Davies’s book on ?Forgotten Kingdoms including Burgundy, Toulouse and Aragón.)

    The vast expansion of the tobacco trade in 18th Century Glasgow capitalising on the supercargo system of oversight of new plantings of bright leaf tobacco targeted at Continental Europe (especially the French market) may explain the popularity of the name Clyde in the US. If memory serves, the head honcho of The Anthill Mob (Wacky Races) was a Clyde.

    On the firefighters theme, the Perry Como “Magic Moments” vibe of the last couple of weeks seems to have evaporated, to be replaced with the idea that they’re all the same kind of self-serving S.O.B.s as Eddie Sitko, the memorably nasty Fire Chief in Constantine’s “Mario Balzic” novels.

    In the UK, Fire Brigades have morphed into Fire and Rescue Services. Among recent developments the huge growth in electricity generation via wind turbines has had interesting consequences for training. Not everyone who maintains the towering structures is able to descend safely unaided. And not everyone who can extinguish a fire can extricate a freaked out maintenance engineer.

    And while on the face of it modern building codes should simplify matters and reduce the need for firefighters, that supposes that proprietors and occupiers actually adhere to said codes. Moreover it supposes that there is a half decent programme of inspections and enforcement. The Grenfell Tower disaster in London might not have been so costly in terms of lives lost had there been some insistence that the properly installed fire-retardant front doors be re-installed after being removed and replaced with flimsy but aesthetically pleasing substitutes by tenants. Similarly, dumping old furniture and other things in the escape stairwell was unlikely to enhance any chance of survival WHEN SOMETHING BAD happens. But sssshhhh. Never happened.

    Not a firefighter but related to one.

  165. Charles says:
    @Mr McKenna

    I really REALLY believed you did make that name up, just for fun. I was wrong.

  166. Charles says:
    @ben tillman

    Perhaps Ben WE are the lucky ones.

  167. @education realist

    ed, You’re not “hard on” me, but you are being a dick. Headline from New York Times, June 5, 2015: “Judge Rules Second Version of New York Teachers’ Exam is Also Racially Biased.” “Also” implies that the previous test was racially biased. The judge, Kimba Wood. My point is, keep dumbing down tests and you get less than desired hires. Case in point, the fireman this post was about.

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    , @education realist
  168. Anonymous[318] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    while low on the list of priorities, his fidelity to his first and somewhat plain wife is admirable, both on its own, and because it is catnip to older female voters.

    Are you Charlie Sykes? Because your political expertise is worth every cent we’ve paid you.

    Though I agree with Coulter on Trump’s face-planting ways I’m not going to feign offense and white-knight for her over “wacky nut job.” If you can’t-even at a typical, low-kilotons Trump insult then perhaps read @yayyDonaldTrump instead

  169. donut says:
    @Lot

    I haven’t paid any attention to Pence so I don’t know how he would be . I’ve been done with Trump since his first missile attack on Syria after his announcement we were getting out . And we’re still there two years later . I’m sick of that blowhard though and I won’t vote for him again . I’ll vote for whoever the Dems put up the loonier the better .

    ” cry ‘Havok!’ and let slip the dogs of war.”

    • Replies: @Hail
  170. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    It means you are eligible to work jobs that come up for that local.

  171. BenKenobi says:
    @education realist

    Didn’t you go full kriyah some time ago and disown Sailer and his blog over insufficient deference to your knowledge?

  172. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Mark, No. Years ago when you were a member of a local union you had a Journeyman’s Book. The book had a picture ID page and pages that held your monthly dues stamp. So, these firemen were actual members of the local. Usually guys started in a trade and then applied and tested into firefighting or the police department. When work was good the Local would let men work on a “Permit.” That meant you enjoyed all the pay of a journeyman but were not a member of the Local. Members of other locals often worked in another Local’s jourisdiction when work was good. This kept your membership low for the hard times.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Jim Don Bob
  173. ChrisZ says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Joe, the dumbing down of the hires—and the concomitant diminishment In the dignity of professions like firefighting and (esp.) law enforcement—might be the plan our leaders have in store.

    We take for granted how the police force is, by and large, vastly superior *in practice* in America than elsewhere in the world. The *classic* NY cop—Irish or Italian background, with a Catholic upbringing—had a sense of a larger moral order above just doing the job and following orders.

    That’s not the case in some other countries, where the police are purely coercive in service to the state.

    And it becomes a problem here, too, when decision-makers want to use the police to persecute those who won’t go along with their PC pronouncements. A dumbed down police force suits the purpose of those elites. It’s easier to elect a new policing apparatus than to elect a new people. Maybe one is the first step to the other.

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  174. @Buffalo Joe

    I know that was your point. I knew that was your point the first time. You remain just as wrong, and you have no excuse this time, since I explained why you were wrong. Perhaps you didn’t understand. I’ll write it with fewer, shorter words.

    The two negative rulings are on the same test, the LAST. They changed the first one but got the same ruling.

    The second test, the ALST, was deemed acceptable, also by Kimba Wood. And that test, despite her positive ruling, was discontinued. “Discontinued” means they no longer use it.

    “My point is, keep dumbing down tests and you get less than desired hires.”

    Again, I knew your point the first time. I’ve now repeated why your point is stupid, ill-informed, and flatly wrong three times. Focus hard, and find a two year old if you need help with the translation:

    They didn’t dumb down the tests I was talking about. The test that you’re talking about, the one that your incredibly limited knowledge is one ruling and one legislative action behind the times, IS NOT A SUBJECT MATTER TEST.

    Moreover, and this is just an added flourish, there’s no evidence that smarter teachers get better outcomes. That’s because–and I know this will come as a shock–students aren’t fires. And that’s why states have overwhelmingly decided to roll back standards that are too high, if they don’t involve subject knowledge. Which–for the third or fourth time–the test you remain focused on, does not test. It tested literacy skills.

  175. @brioche

    Indeed.

    Coulter is a drama queen, but lots of people seem to think the entrenched power bases are just going to roll over when Trump does something.

    However, I suspect all the whiners are just Anti-Trumpers trying to get more Trump supporters to defect or stay home in Nov, 2020.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  176. @BenKenobi

    ????

    The only time I remember being pissed off was when Steve credited Res with a comment about teaching credential tests when it was one I’d made and been making for years. But I didn’t storm off in a huff. And that was, what, two or three years ago.

    I know too much about online forums to make dramatic declarations.

    Weird thing you’d remember, so much later. And in a comment exchange with Res, even. Sock puppet much?

    • Replies: @res
  177. @education realist

    Moreover, and this is just an added flourish, there’s no evidence that smarter teachers get better outcomes.

    And, just like all those head start programs, any improvements teachers manage to gain will wash out in adult-hood in those students.

    • Replies: @education realist
    , @Anon
  178. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    We were better off in those union days. I had occasion to visit the KC Teamsters hall. The most beautiful terrazo floors, it was very well built. The working stiff was better off and the Dem pols of the day had to listen to them instead of transsexuals and weirdoes. We still had plenty of innovation, entrepreneurs could do well and did, but immigration and offshoring were not the done thing.

  179. res says:
    @Lot

    Home Depot has some interesting employees. I was talking to one recently who was a retired teacher and working part time to keep active (can’t remember exactly how he put it, mostly about liking to help people IIRC). I wonder if there is something about their hiring practices that tends to lead to hiring smart, capable, but arguably underemployed men?

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Mr. Anon
  180. @Peripatetic Commenter

    Yep. But there’s much to be said for getting kids through school working hard, even if scores don’t hold up.

  181. res says:
    @education realist

    Moreover, and this is just an added flourish, there’s no evidence that smarter teachers get better outcomes.

    No evidence is an overreach (you were the one concerned about literal correctness above, IIRC).

    https://sites.hks.harvard.edu/pepg/PDF/Papers/PEPG14_06_Hanushek_Piopiunik_Wiederhold.pdf
    http://www.aei.org/publication/guess-what-smart-teachers-smarter-students/

    FWIW, I’m not sure about the former, but in the latter case I think a big part of what they are picking up is a correlation from smarter countries having both smarter students and smarter teachers (absent education at all).

  182. Cortes says:

    Coulter fans * in the USA might like an unusual depiction in

    http://lawrenceblock.com/books/hit-and-run/

    (evil grin).

    * in Scotland Coulter (= plough blade) is best known in the children’s song

    “Ally, Bally, Ally Bally Bee
    Sittin’ on ma mammy’s knee
    Tryin’ tae get a wee bawbee (~cent)
    Tae buy some Coulter’s Candee”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  183. @ChrisZ

    Chris, Buffalo police department used to require 60 college credit hours for their applicants. Now it is a High School diploma. Google search graduation rates for Buffalo HS students and their state wide test results. I attended apprentice school every Saturday for three years, while I attended college full time. The best way for me to find high paying work while going to college.

  184. @njguy73

    Let me guess: you grew up on Long Island during the Dr. J-ABA era?

    No, we were already upstate when the New Jersey Americans were founded in Teaneck. I followed them in the standings; that’s all we had.

    We did have a house on the Island, though we didn’t spend much time in it, what with my father’s job taking us away. We did stay friends with our neighbors there. So I identified as an Islander (pardon the pun) long after losing the accent to another.

    It really ticked me off that the NHL Islanders weren’t named the Long Island Ducks, after the minor league team with the rabid fan base. Then Disney got the name for good.

  185. @Buffalo Joe

    A better answer than mine, Joe.

  186. ladderff says:

    It’s a little disappointing, the mixture of half-truths and nonsense regarding big city firefighting this thread contains!

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  187. donut says:
    @Lot

    Remember this ?

    We were on a roll in 2016 . One of my instructors in nursing school told us there were three signs that a pt. was going to die like tonight . 1. If they tell you they are believe them . 2. If there is some sudden issue that they need to resolve right now . 3. If they all of a sudden seem to rally and look better than they have in days . We looked good until that f**k took office . Trump united a wide range of people From Andrew Anglin to Steve Sailer , everyone who wanted to preserve the country as they imagined it to be , to put the brakes on the rush to chaos . Pull the plug on this bitch , maybe we can sell it’s organs .

  188. res says:
    @education realist

    The only time I remember being pissed off was when Steve credited Res with a comment about teaching credential tests when it was one I’d made and been making for years. But I didn’t storm off in a huff. And that was, what, two or three years ago.

    Let’s set the record straight. Here is the post in question: http://www.unz.com/isteve/black-teachers-6x-as-likely-to-become-principals-as-similar-white-teachers

    iSteve credited me for mentioning a study in an earlier comment prompting that longer post. Which was true. Clearly ER knows much more about the topic than I do. And in fact I even linked to ER’s blog in that thread. But why ER wants credit for bringing that specific study up in the context of iSteve I don’t know.

    Here is ER’s response then: http://www.unz.com/isteve/black-teachers-6x-as-likely-to-become-principals-as-similar-white-teachers/#comment-1845450

    Commentator Res? Are you kidding me?

    The last two times you wrote about black teachers and credential tests without mentioning me, I was mildly surprised. But this is just insulting.

    Me, back in September 2014, The Available Pool (using data from BLS, all by my own self):

    Then there’s my amazing perspicacity in predicting the overrepresentation of black education administrators. Pretty obvious, really. Districts can only practice affirmative action in teacher hiring to the extent they have black candidates. But administrative positions are wide open for affirmative action.

    Man. Have a nice day. Done here.

    Now we are graced with:

    I know too much about online forums to make dramatic declarations.

    One would think. But, well, there it is.

    Rereading that thread, it seemed like an inexplicable overreaction until I remembered this thread from a few days earlier:
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-nice-white-lady-teachers-are-practically-george-zimmerman-level-racists/

    ER used a similar final comment signoff there: “In any event, done.” So probably statements like that from ER are better taken in a local (current post) sense rather than global (iSteve) sense.

    Weird thing you’d remember, so much later.

    That earlier thread was kind of memorable (as was the one in the PPS below). You got jumped on by a number of commenters in response to your nonsense.

    And in a comment exchange with Res, even. Sock puppet much?

    No. False accusations do not become you. If you look at the comments in the earlier of the threads I linked above you will see BenKenobi there in comment 4. Probably why he found it memorable.

    P.S. Thanks for making clear to everyone why you react so strongly to me.

    P.P.S. For even more fun search ER’s comments for “Twinkie” Here is a sample (this one helps set the stage for the above conversations which were a month later): http://www.unz.com/isteve/this-wouldnt-have-happened-if-charles-murray-had-been-beaten-harder

  189. @Clyde

    Musta been some Scottish slave owners in the Caribbean. Sugar cane plantations back then. This is why Caribbean people (blacks) still like the name Clyde.

    Guess who agrees with you– Patrick Hanks and Flavia Hodges, authors of what has to be the best name dictionary in print in English:

    The name is comparitively popular among West Indian and American Blacks. [Leslie] Dunkling points out that geographical names such as Aberdeen and Glasgow were bestowed on slaves in the southern United States. A large number of plantation owners were of Scottish origin. Clyde, unlike other such names, seems to have survived, and even gained some currency among southern Whites. The bank robber Clyde Barrow became something of a cult figure, especially after the film Bonnie and Clyde (1967).

    The name Clive must be similar.

    Not even close, according to the same source. It’s from Cheshire, and derives from “cliff”.

    Incidentally, there is a Clyde about nursery school age (and white) in our rural area. He and a slightly older Walter competed in our school’s summer track camp for kids.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  190. Lot says:
    @res

    There was a period, ending about 15 years ago, when HD had a Costco model of paying higher than market retail wages. They may get better employees than normal because a hardware store seems less pink collar than 95% of retail jobs.

    • Replies: @prosa123
  191. Anon1 says:
    @Mr McKenna

    I hate to ruin your fantasy, but Hillary is going to be moderating.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
  192. Lot says:
    @Colin Wright

    “It’s Lot the Zionist who’s plugging Pence. ”

    Duh, they are all Zionists. That is assumed in the GOP.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Colin Wright
  193. Hail says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Ann Coulter is right

    In a fair world, #AnnCoulterIsRight would be a bigly hashtag.

  194. Hail says: • Website
    @Lot

    we may be better off with impeachment and Pence

    I lean toward agreeing with that.

    Granted there are complicating factors to such a scenario, but say:

    It is March 10th –> use magic wand to DumpTheChump & PromoteThePence –> sun rises on March 11th, Trump now a regular citizen and Pence is President.

    I would take such a deal.

    Myself, I am not a fan of Pence’s pro-Zionism. Beggars can’t be choosers… The important thing is, Pence seems to have a moral center and principles of some kind (He had a lifetime B+ from NumbersUSA). President Donald ‘Chump’ Jebkushner doesn’t seem to have principles, and flails around betraying his own base and his core issues.

    Pence is reasonably well liked (he got praised by Joe Biden); the other guy is widely hated for his crudeness, on top of his major betrayal of his own base.

    In practical terms, Pence would probably be better at softening the blow of the ongoing migrant crisis, and not react with a shrug, an angry tweet, and an out-of-nowhere major policy shift to usher in “the highest levels of immigration ever, as long as it is done leeeeegally.”

    • Replies: @Lot
  195. Hail says: • Website
    @donut

    I had the same reaction in April 2017 (Syria attack) but came back around.

    Not this time.

    He did just enough to string us along, mainly through tweets — to name a few, the birthright citizenship EO [never materialized], the call to end the Diversity Visa Lottery [not done, afaik], and that vague call for action against White farm appropriation in South Africa [never heard about this again, at all].

    It’s over.

  196. Hail says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Ann Coulter is not the sell-out Trump has been. She wouldn’t be all bullshit and no action

  197. Hibernian says:
    @Change that Matters

    In the service this is called a shaving profile. It is not supposed to go automatically to all black men in the service, but try telling that to a guy who thinks he should get one.

  198. Lot says:
    @Jack Hanson

    The coastal strivers don’t like him either after he singled them out for a tax increase.

    Have a look at where the GOP lost house seats. Mostly upper middle class suburbs. The two big centers of GOP carnage were Orange County and New Jersey.

    OC house seats were 4-2 GOP in 2016. Now it is 0-6 Dem.

    NJ went from 7-5 Dem in 2016 to 11-1 Dem now.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
  199. MBlanc46 says:
    @Daniel H

    That pretty much nails it. Why vote for a guy who’s made it clear that he doesn’t really care—contrary to the tough statements he made during the campaign—about the issue that most of us see as the most critical one facing the republic? Trump won in 2016 because he motivated whites in the Heartland to go the polls for him. After p*ssing on those voters time after time, it’s hardly likely that they’ll be fooled again.

  200. @education realist

    ed, You know when my ex wife calls, I answer politely, set the phone down and come back in five or ten minutes to see if she’s still talking. I am putting the “phone” down now. I’ll check back tomorrow.

  201. MBlanc46 says:
    @Whiskey

    I wish that I thought that you were wrong, Whiskey. But I don’t.

  202. @ladderff

    Ladder, That’s what happens on all sites. Enlighten us.

  203. @res

    res, I think some one has a crush on you.

    • LOL: res
  204. Mr. Anon says:
    @Lot

    Ultimately he’s so embarrassing and self-destructive we may be better off with impeachment and Pence, whom I’ve always liked.

    Of course you do.

    If Pence didn’t have an Indiana birth certificate, one might almost think that he was created from clay by a Rabbi in Prague.

  205. Lot says:
    @Hail

    The question then becomes whether the Dems do us the favor of impeaching him, and McConnell hopefully tells Trump resign or be removed.

    A few polls:

    Pence favorability average -4, Trump -13

    Most recent Trump v Biden polls:
    MI Biden +8
    TX Trump +1
    SC Trump +4
    NH Biden +10
    AZ tie
    NC Trump +4
    National Biden +10
    IA Biden +2
    National Biden +12
    MI Biden +13
    NC tie

    Ultimately the Dems want to win, and Biden is their strongest candidate and leading in polls. And Bernie is #2 in both respects, so I think they’ll have the good sense not to nominate Kamala.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  206. Mr. Anon says:
    @Lot

    Duh, they are all Zionists. That is assumed in the GOP.

    So Ihlan Omar was right then.

    Goooood to know.

    • Replies: @Lot
  207. @Lot

    ‘Duh, they are all Zionists. That is assumed in the GOP.’

    Yes, but there are willing slaves, and unwilling slaves, aren’t there?

  208. @Achmed E. Newman

    Ann Coulter is not the sell-out Trump has been. She wouldn’t be all bullshit and no action, as she actually has great conservative/libertarian principles.

    And yet she never ran for the position.

    I mean, if Trump got elected on the bases of a book Coulter wrote, surely she could have as well.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  209. @Lot

    ‘…so I think they’ll have the good sense not to nominate Kamala…’

    But Kamala loves Israel. Surely she should be rewarded somehow.

    • Replies: @Lot
  210. prosa123 says:
    @Lot

    There was a period, ending about 15 years ago, when HD had a Costco model of paying higher than market retail wages. They may get better employees than normal because a hardware store seems less pink collar than 95% of retail jobs.

    I work at a HD, a part-time, extra spending money sort of job. Those days of paying higher than average retail wages are long, long gone, in fact in my area at least they’re generally on the lower end compared to most other big-box stores.
    HD benefits from the perception that for men, especially middle aged and older men, it’s a more dignified place to work than most other retailers and definitely more than fast food. Given this perception there’s less pressure to raise wages. It also helps that the company is aware that it’s a second job for most people and is quite accommodating of its workers’ other jobs. Not long ago I was talking with the store manager and was somewhat surprised that she knows the name of my main employer and the general outline of my work there. I’m a part-timer in a store of 125+ employees.

    • Replies: @res
  211. Mr. Anon says:
    @Lot

    Also, while low on the list of priorities, his fidelity to his first and somewhat plain wife is admirable, both on its own, and because it is catnip to older female voters.

    Whereas Bill Clinton’s notorious history of adultery only had women he barely knew offer to give him blow-jobs…………so long as he defended abortion.

    You know, Lot, strange as it is to say this, you could learn a thing or two from “Whiskey”.

    Pence has got to be the most boring non-entity to ever make an appearance on the stage of American public life. Compared to him, Chuck Grassley is f**king Mick Jagger. Pence is the Tommy Newsom of American politicians.

    • Replies: @Lot
  212. Mr. Anon says:
    @res

    I know of a guy who owns a bunch of rental properties (20 or so), does most or all of the maintenance and upkeep on the properties himself, and just works at Lowes part-time to get the employee discount.

    • Replies: @res
    , @E. Rekshun
  213. res says:
    @prosa123

    Thanks.

    My sense is there is some mutual respect between those men and the tradesmen and DIYers they work with the most. Not exactly a vibe that is common in the Current Year. Although last time I was in HD one of the employees was literally shaking his head after someone walked up to him and started talking in Spanish then just walked away silently when the employee said he did not speak Spanish.

  214. res says:
    @Mr. Anon

    That’s an interesting idea, but is it really only 10% off for Lowes (and none for HD)?
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/summeranne/which-retail-chains-have-the-best-employee-discoun

  215. prosa123 says:
    @res

    HD has no employee discounts. There are discounts available on things from outside providers like cell phones and car rentals, but they’re not particularly useful and as far as I know not many employees ever use them.

  216. @Cortes

    Lawrence Block also has non-fiction books, about writing fiction. Somerset Maugham is as big to him as Evelyn Waugh is to Steve.

    He also alerted me to Ira Levin, who is also quite skilled at manipulating the reader. A Kiss Before Dying is blood-curdling at just the point where Block says it is. Between Block and Steve Sailer, I was able to see right through The Stepford Wives, which I read digested in a women’s magazine, McCall’s I think.

    It wasn’t making fun of men. It was making fun of Aryan Darien.

  217. Mr. Anon says:
    @res

    I guess 10% can be enough if you’re in the rental business in a big way. It also gives him another excuse to get away from the Wife.

    • Replies: @res
  218. Mr. Anon says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    Coulter is a drama queen, but lots of people seem to think the entrenched power bases are just going to roll over when Trump does something.

    No, she is a talented polemecist and a dedicated advocate of the conservative (now, verging on reactionary) cause. And she is usually right.

    Trump is the drama-queen.

  219. BenKenobi says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Thanks Joe! In my expert medical opinion, ER is suffering from crankiness stemming from third-party ED (she’s a chick).

    Next time I’m home in Niagara Falls I’d love to cross the Peace Bridge and grab a drink with you. Seneca Casino, perhaps?

  220. Olorin says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    Your wish is the cosmos’s command.

    http://witchdoctor.ca/

    The Canadian Association of Witch Doctors (CAWD) is the national professional self-regulatory association for qualified witch doctors across Canada. The CAWD promotes non-science based medicine to the public, insurance companies and corporations, federal/provincial government and enables communication within the professional witch doctor community.

    Witch doctors (WDs) treat all forms of health concerns, from acute to chronic, geriatric to pediatric, magical systems to quantum phenomena, from the physical to the metaphysical, even to the ultimate health challenge; raising the dead. It is the approach, philosophy and rigorous training of witch doctors that sets us apart from other health care practitioners. Unlike our fellow complementary and alternative medicine (CAM) practitioners who claim that their therapeutic interventions might, or actually do work, we make no such claims. In fact, we claim to be the only fully honest healthcare profession in that we openly assert that none of our therapies actually work. However, after seeing a witch doctor or having a spell cast for you it is certainly possible you could feel better, especially if you believe in this sort of thing.

    The association welcomes newly qualified WDs, existing WDs who wish to gain Canadian registration, and potential students who might wish to abandon rational thinking and engage in a mystical career in alternative healthcare. For details of WD programs in Canada please see our education page. For registration with CAWD please go the Regulation page for information on how to register. It is free, and in most cases practitioners can register with us and gain accreditation quickly. If you would like to consult with a WD for treatment please see our Find a WD practitioner page.

  221. @res

    It’s really amazing how much time and energy some people spend on things.

    And I didn’t react strongly to you at all. I didn’t even talk to you. You jumped into an exchange and started going on about me. I remembered my irritation but not who it was, so I looked it up. I honestly don’t remember you at all. One has to hit Twinkie levels of obsession, followed with long, endless rants, before I recall names. After this, of course, I will. Anyone who jumps into exchanges to “explain” another person is memorable, for all the wrong, creepy reasons. Which is why your assurance that you aren’t a sock puppet isn’t at all convincing. I could care less, really, if you and Ben are one or two, so don’t bother to protest.

    As for that conversation, if you can’t figure out why I’d be mildly annoyed at Steve, you’ll have to find someone other than me to explain it.

    • Replies: @res
  222. Trevor H. says:
    @Anon1

    Man, you are cold cold cold.

  223. Olorin says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    This.

    Scribbling and preaching are easy, especially when coupled with sleeping in the right places. Running for office and occupying the big chair is something else entirely.

    I’m OK with seeing what the guy can do with two terms, even if he ends up running interference for other shifts and accomplishments. Then again I’m of Am Rev stock. We don’t teach our children to think of the chief executive as Santa Claus. And we teach them to regard our congress critters as demons albeit sadly necessary ones in our system. The question isn’t what he’s doing or not and whether this withered uterus approves, but what we’re doing with this small opening other than bitching that we didn’t get a pony from daddy.

  224. Lot says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Grassley repeatedly wins re-election by 20+ points as a Republican, and Iowa voted Dem in every presidential election from 1992 to 2012.

    “you could learn a thing or two from “Whiskey””

    When you cite Whiskey for political analysis of white women, you’ve already lost the argument.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  225. Lot says:
    @Mr. Anon

    You and Colin need to just go ahead and propose a plural marriage to Ilhan.

    She’s already married to her baby-daddy and brother, under Islamic law I think that means she has two openings still.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  226. Lot says:
    @Whiskey

    “We might as well have elected Vince McMahon”

    Linda McMahon is the politician in the family.

  227. Clyde says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Thanks for looking into all that. Very interesting! I wonder how well pale Scotsmen would do in the Caribbean with the intense sun and skin cancer. Their women too. You know how Australia has the world’s highest skin cancer rates.

    Incidentally, there is a Clyde about nursery school age (and white) in our rural area. He and a slightly older Walter competed in our school’s summer track camp for kids.

    That family is really into old timey names. No one gets named Walter anymore.
    Walter is #341 for male baby’s names here USA
    #686 for Clyde
    https://www.babycenter.com/baby-names-clyde-1068.htm

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  228. Lot says:
    @Colin Wright

    Doing the right thing is its own reward.

  229. @Lot

    I didn’t say it was a winning strategy.

  230. @Peripatetic Commenter

    She never ran because she was a writer perfectly happy with what she was doing, influencing people with her columns. Miss Coulter was ecstatic that Donald Trump was running for President for the express purpose of fixing the existential issue that she and most Americans were concerned about.

    Why would she try to run for President and screw up the whole rise of Trump? It’s a completely different situation now that we know he is a flake and nothing will get changed.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
  231. Lot says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I’ve seen that one before.

    Youtube has some great Alpine yodel music videos.

  232. Trevor H. says:
    @education realist

    Can’t help but admire your complete lack of self-consciousness, and to a somewhat lesser degree your apparent inability to be embarrassed. These are not entirely bad things, though I grant they can be overdone.

    • Agree: res
  233. @Oddsbodkins

    The most successful politicians are very smart but know how to ‘code shift’ / dumb it down as needed for the audience. Bill Clinton for example.

    That’s the myth, yes. [1, 2].

    Note that I’m saying that the political leader’ IQ isn’t more than 20 points from the IQ of about 80% of the population — actually, to be precise, the voting population. That would be 120 for a voting population of mean IQ 100. 120 isn’t all that smart. I, personally, would say that B. Clinton was maybe IQ 110-120, and a quick study who’d learned to be a chameleon personality to survive his alcoholic father and, later, his Democratic coaches. Obama, roughly the same but not as smart as B. Clinton. H. Clinton? — nihil nisi bonum.

    So — what is “smart”, and why does it matter? Smart people who can extend or transform systems need an IQ somewhat above 120. Simple as that. Sometimes you get a smart person as leader, more often the smart person is a theoretician of some sort, or a practitioner/theoretician, who significantly extends or changes human thought. “The practical man is the captive of a theoretician who lived two generations ago” is a cliche for a reason.

    Take out the smart guys (IQ 130 or more) and the society freezes in place [3]. That’s why the Left tried to take out the universities – same reason the Russians took out the Polish officers in WW II [4], and the same reason Mao took out potential critics in the Hundred Flowers campaign[5]. Smart guys are important in that they give leaders some idea of what to do, but they are very rarely leaders themselves, nor do they usually get along with leaders.

    One example is the usual conflict between crew and scientists aboard a chartered ship on prolonged scientific expeditions. The two notoriously don’t understand each other, have belief structures that just barely connect, and the crew ends up trying to dominate the scientists while the scientists end up ignoring or denouncing the crew. The relation between Capt. Fitzroy and Charles Darwin is extensively documented and would illustrate my point here.

    What you usually get in a democracy as a court wise man is people like Kissenger [6] or Boot. Amoral, smart but not too smart, quick study, no real knowledge but able to fake it.

    Counerinsurgency

    1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Presidential_IQ_hoax
    “This study concluded that there is a statistically significant correlation of 0.56 between a U.S. President’s IQ and his perceived amount of success.”
    Or perhaps it’s the other way around, reading “success” as “agreement with the evaluator”.
    “For instance, John F. Kennedy’s IQ has also been estimated to have been significantly lower than in this 2006 study (Chester Arthur biographer Thomas C. Reeves refers to an actual IQ test by Kennedy with a score of 119[10]), while Richard Nixon’s IQ has also been estimated to have been significantly higher than in this study. ”

    2] https://www.quora.com/How-intelligent-is-Bill-Clinton
    In the two stories, note that Trudeau didn’t give an answer, he just got angry. If Clinton gave an answer, the story doesn’t mention it. Instead of Clinton answering, he just talked on the general subject. It’s an old trick, right up there with the “psychotic boss” trick: act irrational and hope nobody calls you on it.

    3] R. R. Reilly.
    _The Closing of the Muslim Mind: How Intellectual Suicide Created the Modern Islamist Crisis_.
    April 4, 2011.

    4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

    5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Flowers_Campaign

    6] If 1959 US ice skating champion Wanda Gunnart had married first Howard Hughes, and then Henry Kissinger, she’d be Wanda Hughes Kissinger now. (_Daily News_, late 1960s)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  234. @Lugash

    Pro Publica did a lengthy investigation into two of the accidents. The on-the-line reading is that the US Navy is overstretched and under trained(i.e. computer based training replacing hands on instruction on how to steer a billion dollar warship. The between the lines message is that most of the female officers panicked and didn’t take charge like they should have. There were poasts floating around that minority enlisted weren’t bothering to pass the watch exam after both of these incidents.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/us-navy-uss-fitzgerald-uss-john-s-mccain-crash-pacific-how-we-investigated

    I read one of the articles at the linked page. It was fascinating and really well done.

  235. @res

    It is definitely zero for Home Depot. But employees do know when big-ticket items are marked down.

  236. He had a job that paid $123,699 and he didn’t do his best to try to keep it?

  237. Mr. Anon says:
    @Lot

    Grassley repeatedly wins re-election by 20+ points as a Republican, and Iowa voted Dem in every presidential election from 1992 to 2012.

    But he’s never been elected President, nor ever could be.

    When you cite Whiskey for political analysis of white women, you’ve already lost the argument.

    When you don’t know things that even a spergtard like Whiskey knows, you are way behind the game.

  238. Mr. Anon says:
    @Lot

    I don’t want Somalis here. I never have. And I certainly don’t want them getting elected to Congress. I was opposed to our intervention in Somalia from Day One. Google HIAS and Somalia. Your people have been pretty enthusiastic about bringing them here.

    But I can still concede when she is right. And on this, she is right.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Anon
  239. @Mr. Anon

    About a year ago, I overheard a Lowes customer service rep complaining that his bonus was only going to be $1000 for that period.

    I’m in Lowes and Home Depot two or three times per week; I’ve noticed a decline in the quality of help, more female and older workers, and fewer workers on the floor over the past couple of years.

    • Replies: @prosa123
  240. @Clyde

    That family is really into old timey names.

    No, Walter and Clyde are in different families. So maybe it’s a trend.

    I did notice while living in the city that “retro” names are one of those right-wing things, like historic preservation, that are paradoxically more popular with progressives.

  241. res says:
    @Mr. Anon

    True. He probably has an inside angle on upcoming sales as well. If the discount stacks with sales that could be a bigger deal.

  242. Sorry, but the word “inclusive” these days is mostly used as a racist/sexist dog whistle for promoting hatred of white American men. I trust Prof. Rodrik’s intentions are more noble than that, but the word “inclusive” is probably too tainted by hate to save.

    –Steve on Twitter

    “Tainted” maybe. But so many political words are stretched so far beyond their original meaning, like Silly Putty, that the picture they give today is diluted and distorted. Eg, socialism, fascism, liberal, democracy, republic.

  243. People who read The Bell Curve thinking it gives an understanding of our Fire/EMS services ITT.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  244. res says:
    @education realist

    It’s really amazing how much time and energy some people spend on things.

    It actually takes very little time for me to do something like that. A good thing to keep in mind.

    And I didn’t react strongly to you at all.

    I’ll leave it to others to look at our exchanges both here and elsewhere and decide that for themselves.

    I honestly don’t remember you at all.

    Oh really? How do you explain your comment 179 above then? If you are going to outright lie like that then better to do it in a thread where you haven’t already provided contrary evidence.

    That whole paragraph was a piece of work.

    And “could care less” from a teacher?! Especially one who is “smart for a neurosurgeon“? LOL!

    As for that conversation, if you can’t figure out why I’d be mildly annoyed at Steve,

    It was fairly obvious why you were annoyed. You consider yourself an expert and felt slighted. So you flounced off after a snarky comment. What is less obvious is why you wanted credit for bringing the topic of that study up in iSteve. Your writing about it in your blog is useful, but does not necessarily bring it to the attention of everyone here.

  245. @Lurker

    I went on a fishing trip awhile back and our guide was a fireman working on his off time.

  246. Anonymous[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    Take out the smart guys (IQ 130 or more) and the society freezes in place [3].

    What is so bad about freezing in place? Witness the destructive results in our society of indulging “change”.

  247. Anonymous[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack Hanson

    People who read The Bell Curve thinking it gives an understanding of our Fire/EMS services ITT.

    Does it?

  248. prosa123 says:
    @E. Rekshun

    About a year ago, I overheard a Lowes customer service rep complaining that his bonus was only going to be $1000 for that period.

    My bonuses at the HD where I work have been around $100 every six months. While I am a part timer, it’s not as if the full timers are getting huge bonuses, at most maybe twice as much.

  249. @Achmed E. Newman

    I suspect she just didn’t have the guts to do the real work and is happy to bitch from the sidelines.

  250. @Anon

    The navy has had some weird accidents in its Pacific fleet in the past few years, a submarine surfacing into a ship, a couple of collisions, including with a Japanese naval vessel at night.

    Submarines surfacing into ships have happened before and aren’t usually a function of AA incompetence because the Navy puts the AA types in surface ships, but rarely into subs. Banging a destroyer escort or supply ship into a freighter is one thing, running a nuclear-powered sub into one is a different story.

    If they’re not using active sonar (which they rarely do it because it makes them loud) they scan the vicinity with the periscope before surfacing then up they come (I should qualify this by saying that this is how it was done as of 1995, when my friend that was an officer on LA-class attack boats left the Navy. Maybe it is different today, I wouldn’t know).

    Bear in mind the subs are moving when they surface, and often quite fast. The oceans are vast places and the odds of running into something while surfacing are low, but are non-zero. It would be easy to fail to see a smaller vessel with a periscope scan. It also would be easy to never know you hit something (e.g. some poor sailboat).

    There was a story going around 20-something years ago about a Los Angeles-class sub coming into a Japanese port with fishing nets snared on the conning tower and at the same time, the Japanese were looking for a missing commercial fishing vessel. I asked my friend about it. He said that it was true but was swept under the rug (though not classified) with the cooperation of the Japanese government. He also said that given an LA-class boat’s size and power, in the event they surfaced into and snagged the fishing nets while doing 25 knots, they’d drag the fishing boat along behind until it broke apart or went under without ever knowing it was there or even slowing down. The only (it would be scant) hope for the fishing crew would be if they could somehow cut their nets loose while moving backwards at 25 knots before they sank as tons of seawater came over the stern. Obviously, that didn’t happen.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  251. 36 ulster says:
    @Father O'Hara

    Maybe you’re thinking of Benny “The Glide” Clyde, the point (or maybe shooting) guard for the 1971-72 Florida State basketball team, who, along with teammates Reggie Royals and Ron King, gave the Bill Walton-led UCLA squad a tough fight, losing 81-76 in the finals.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
  252. @36 ulster

    Thanks. A quick Google refreshes me memory! It was Clyde Drexler a perennial all star back in the day,as we say in da hood. I knew the name,but was not that much of a fan of b ball in those days.

  253. anarchyst says:
    @Mr. Anon

    As much as I despise Omar’s politics, in this case she is right to expose the dirty politics that Israel uses on it’s “friend and ally” the United States of America.
    AIPAC is the most powerful foreign lobby in the United States and has done more to influence and damage the American political process than just about any other lobby.  It is a loosely-guarded secret that, in order to garner jewish support, prospective politicians must sign a loyalty oath promising support for Israel.  This, in itself is un-American and borders on treason.  Failure to sign the loyalty oath almost always assures a political death.  AIPAC will spend millions to elect a candidate as long as he “toes the Israeli line”.
    Remember the USS Liberty (GTR-5), the American naval vessel that was deliberately attacked with massive loss of American lives (an act of war) by “our friend and ally” Israel on June 8, 1967.  If I had my way, Israel would have been turned into a “glass parking lot” on June 9, 1967.
    As an aside, we need to keep hitting the politicians with the accusations of “dual loyalty” to Israel, their signing of “loyalty oaths” and other treasonous activities and watch them squirm.

  254. JMcG says:
    @William Badwhite

    There was a similar case off Ireland in the early nineties. There was also a tugboat sunk off the eastern US in the same time frame. It had been towing a barge. When they examined the parted tow cable, it was found to have gouged titanium from whatever had struck it. The only ones who had enough titanium to make submarine bulls out of it were the soviets. The conclusion was that either a Soviet boat or a Soviet-built Cuban boat had done the deed. I’d link, but I don’t know how. Should be easy to search.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  255. JMcG says:
    @JMcG

    The tugboat was called the Thomas Hebert. While looking it up, I also found that an LA class attack sub sank a tugboat in 1989. It was the USS Houston, later used in The Hunt for Red October. That’s a lot of tugboats.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
  256. bomag says:
    @brioche

    …without an independent power base

    Seems to be a problem. Conservatives today are akin to the fractured northern tribes vs. the Roman Legions.

    The Left seems happier to street fight; fight in court; use the power of Congress to subpoena and harass.

    When the Repubs had a majority in Congress, they should have opened endless investigations against Pelosi and Schumer. But, no; must believe niceness will be repaid.

  257. Assuming the Uniparty politicians who created it don’t dismantle the rigged system before whites become the official workplace minority group, a great future moment in affirmative action history will occur among the gray-on-gray, splotched glory of the carpeted cubicles in some corporate-wasteland office or, maybe, in a dreary.gov agency, appropriately, since it will be a forerunner of the white-American minority.

    A rare, white, male office worker will stand up—after years of tiptoeing around a workplace full of racists crying racism 60, 70 or 80 years after the Civil Rights Act of 1964–deciding he has had enough, whereupon he will bypass the automated HR robot, heading straight for the nearest private-sector robot lawyer, which is all the white man can afford, especially since all of the free, government-paid lawyers will still be allocated to the various oppressed “minorities” in single-breadwinner households with US-born kids. It will still be one of the many welfare privileges, awarded to them for the gift to all of humanity and robotdom—the gift of birthing more humans to compete with bots for scarce jobs.

    The good thing about a robot lawyer is the true color-blindness, a neutrality concerning skin pigmentation that MLK could only dream about. No, that, too, is but a mountaintop dream since, by that time, humans will have even fewer Fourth Amendment privacy rights, with the prying eyes of robots automatically surveilling everything from the complementary hues in the core shadows on human faces to the color of the two-day dust residue on the un-used computer keyboard of an above-firing, affirmative-action-privileged mom worker who, with the blessing of robotic management that is programmed to favor working parents as much as the crony-parent human managers of yore, skips work every time her boyfriend gets a couple of days off to frolic.

    She won’t have to worry about what the pro-bono robot lawyer thinks about her. Even though robots do even more of the work, further invalidating that part of the economic definition of productivity that includes womb productivity, because moms are still, irrationally, above reproach in the feminist era of robotic productivity.

    But the white guy, seeking to start a white affirmative action process that goes all the way to the Supreme Court, will probably be disappointed to learn that the SCOTUS robes only pick atypical cases that stretch the definition of the unsettled legal quandary to an extreme so that the precedent will hold through varied legal scenarios.

    He is just one more, regular-old, white guy in a real minority group, facing open discrimination among non-minority minorities in one more “diverse” majority-minority workplace with EEOC hiring & retention privileges for non-minority minorities, where the whites are in the caste 5 steps under minorities from A to Z and 5 steps below the various robot ranks.

  258. @JMcG

    IIRC didn’t a Bush II donor on a boomer get to press the “surface” button and smack into a Jap fishing trawler early in his admin?

    • Replies: @JMcG
  259. JMcG says:
    @Jack Hanson

    Don’t know about the Bush donor part, but a US submarine did hit a trawler in Japan around that time. I can’t believe there’s a SURFACE button though. That would be like having a LAND NOW button on an F-15.

  260. 0jd says: • Website

    and RINO presidential candiates like willard mitt romney will protect us from this wave of hate?

  261. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    The San Francisco firemen’s test was forced by the black robes minions of satan to develop a bloc of incredibly easy questions. Then weighted questions were forced.

    A corrrect answer on question 56 would be worth 1 point A correct answer on question 67 would be worth 5 points.

    The easy questions all got 5 points toward the final score The hard questions got just 1 point towards the final score. Example of an easy question . Is it easier to push a wheelbarrow up hill or down hill.?

    Affirmative action San Francisco police and sheriff exams did not require the ability to read at any level, a recording spoke the questions and answers. They did have to know A B C D to check the answer.
    The state department finally just gave up and subtracted 20 out of a possible 100 points from the score of every White and added 30 points out of a possible 100 to the score of every black.

  262. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Another affirmative action in action story. A women, a professional shoplifter got a bogus assistant trainee job in the federal building some sort of program for black felons

    The regular payday occurred her first week on the job. This was before direct deposit. The supervisor told her to go pick up the paychecks for more than 30 people. She did, left the building, called her friends and a couple hours later currency exchanges all over town were calling the police about people with no ID trying to cash federal checks.

    She wasn’t even charged. She had to go to some counseling and training for a few days and then right back to her do nothing job. She was probably affirmative actioned all the way to head of the department.

  263. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Ilhan Omar’s district elected NOI Keith Ellison. It’s also the Minnesota district with the highest number of Jews in the state.

    Interesting.

    In other news, Belgian Jews and Muslims are united in a fight against the animal slaughter regulations. There were always Jews in the medieval duchy of Burgundy later Belgium. It was one of the first places Spanish Jews went to after their expulsion.

    And this is the gratitude they show, siding with Muslims about some silly food superstitions most Jews don’t even follow.

    Every time Muslims demanded Muslim girls be allowed to violate a 1905 French public school dress code by wearing Muslim head scarves the official spokesmen of the Jewish communities plus numerous rabbis secular and religious sided with the Muslims.

    Same with pork. Rabbis, and heads of Jewish organizations demonstrated with the Muslims against serving pork in school lunches, government employee cafeterias and even wanted to close down a 200 year old butcher shop charcuterie that specialized in pork because it’s existence offended Jews and Muslim silly food superstitions.

    I guess the Jews think they can rule the dumb Muslims when the real French and Belgians die out.

    The first Muslims were brought to Belgium from Morocco in the 1950s as cheap labor to compete with Belgian workers . Belgium still had big industry and mines then. Capitalism brought the Muslims. The factories and mines closed and the Moroccans and others just kept coming and coming

  264. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    There have been a lot of studies about head start. The advantages wash out by 3rd grade. According to Pres Johnson’s wife, one of the objectives of Head Start was to teach the kids to speak and pronounce standard English instead of “grunting “, the exact word Mrs Johnson used. But Head Start was just an affirmative action program for black women who grunt instead of speak standard English.

    Later the teacher’s unions and education authority idiots decided that teaching standard English was racist and must end including in all White schools

    So grunting Ebonics was in and standard English was out.

  265. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Friend who owns a small apartment house remodeled all the kitchens. An off duty fireman did all the work.

    Lots of the big city firemen live a hundred or more miles away in rural White utopias where housing is cheap, the schools are safe. 3 days on, 4 days off.

    Most of their work nowadays is paramedic and ambulances.

  266. @ThreeCranes

    In Clyde’s senior year of 1967 the Salukis won the NIT and came in 4th in the NCAA College Division tournament.

  267. according to a criminal complaint filed in Union County, NJ Superior Court

    Interesting this happening in NJ since FDNY has a strict residency requirement. You cannot live in NJ.

    He was the lowest-scoring of 282 “priority hires” ordered by a Brooklyn federal judge who ruled that minority candidates were victims of race bias

    The unnamed Brooklyn federal judge is Nicholas Garaufis, who was on 60 Minutes a few weeks ago as part of a story on Bryant Neal Vinas.

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