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From the Miami Herald:

In GOP State of the Union responses, different messages in English and Spanish on immigration

@PatriciaMazzei

The Conservative Treehouse puts Gov. Nikki Haley’s English version and Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart’s Spanish-language version in an easier-to-compare format to make clear how different they are. For example,

♦ English (Via Haley): No one who is willing to work hard, abide by our laws, and love our traditions should ever feel unwelcome in this country.

Spanish (Via Diaz-Barlat): No one who is willing to work hard, abide by our laws, and love the United States should ever feel unwelcome in this country. It’s not who we are.

But then Haley partly walks back this Open Borders schmaltz, while Diaz-Balart does not.

♦ English (Via Haley): At the same time, that does not mean we just flat out open our borders. We can’t do that. We cannot continue to allow immigrants to come here illegally. And in this age of terrorism, we must not let in refugees whose intentions cannot be determined.

Spanish (Via Diaz-Barlat): At the same time, it’s obvious that our immigration system needs to be reformed. The current system puts our national security at risk and is an obstacle for our economy.

There’s more like this at the Treehouse.

There’s a general reason why a self-governing republic works better when politics is carried out among people who all speak one language. Historically, there’s a word commonly associated with a multilingual polity: empire.

 

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  1. You’ve been reading alt-right blogs (Vox Day, perhaps?). They make similar little comments like this all the time (though not specifically about language-sometimes its just multi-cultures).

    This phrasing confused me on those other blogs, and yours confused me, too. I had never really known what ‘empire’ was, and simply had the vague sense that it meant ‘kingdom, only bigger.’ For instance, when Napoleon got himself crowned ‘emperor,’ I never really understood it-why not king? Emperor of France is the same as king of France, only higher?

    It turns out my gut instinct was probably correct (though, with a caveat-this is wikipedia).

    ” An empire is defined as “an aggregate of nations or people ruled over by an emperor or other powerful sovereign or government, usually a territory of greater extent than a kingdom.”

    In other words, ‘empire’ doesn’t necessarily refer to multiple cultures, or multiple languages (though it might). Its really just a kingdom, only bigger.

    It wouldn’t be a big deal, but these pithy phrases (USA is no longer a nation: its an ‘empire’, in sonorous, portending tones) doesn’t make any sense if the word ‘empire’ is so fluid as to mean anything (or, nothing more than, ‘big powerful place’). Technically, the USA has been an empire since (1945? 1918? Teddy’s Great White Fleet? The closing of the frontier?). Or it hasn’t, depending on how you define kingdom, aggregate of peoples, and so on.

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    Very annoying GOPe tactics!

    btw Nikki Haley’s real first name is Nimrata. Irrelevant you say? IT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE PARENTS’ STATE OF MIND. They didn’t give their children American names and this was 1972.

    Can you believe people are talking about this woman as Vice President? Both of her parents are exotic immigrants! How the hell does she qualify as natural born! It’s a joke.

    Nikki Haley tried to walk back her gooey mush today. It wasn’t just the immigration issue. Here entire speech was filled with democrat talking points. What a loser! Talk about tone deaf!

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  3. Ok, Steve, might as well tie this in to the “new” Star Wars movie. Let’s have it.

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    The distinction is the multinational, multicultural, and/or multilingual aspect of empire.

    He and Wiki can both explain it to you. But neither can make you understand.

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  5. “English (Via Haley): No one who is willing to work hard, abide by our laws, and love our traditions should ever feel unwelcome in this country.”

    Uh, part of the traditions of SC was of course to honor the Confederate Battle Flag as well as other war dead from what is generally termed in the South “War between the States”. In light of how she treated the battle flag during last summer’s unpleasantness, how exactly has Gov. Haley honored that particular tradition that is not so minor part of the history of South Carolina?

    Oops.

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  6. ‘Empire’ carries the implication of dominating above other nations in a way that kingdom doesn’t. And yes, it is one step above ‘kindgom’ in the traditional European hierarchy. Consider the Austro-Hungarian Empire, within which there was the Austrian Empire and the Kingdom of Hungary, further underneath which were realms like the Archduchy of Austria, Kingdom of Bohemia, Kingdom of Dalmatia, Kingdom of Croatia, etc.

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  7. “There’s a general reason why a self-governing republic works better when politics is carried out among people who all speak one language. Historically, there’s a word commonly associated with a multilingual polity: empire.”

    This is the first good money quote of 2016. Another one being:

    “No, this is not the beginning of the end, but it may just be the end of the beginning.”–Winston Churchill.

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  8. I’m shocked to learn that politicians will say one thing to one thing to one part of the electorate in one language and another, completely different thing to another part of the electorate in another language. That’s what politicians used to do all the time in the same language when they could rely on the slowness of communication (before the advent of cable TV, the internet, cell phones) to prevent their completely different words catching up to them. It was very embarrassing when you were caught “talking out of both sides of your mouth.” Now they avoid that problem (or make it harder to detect) by using different languages to convey different thoughts to different audiences. Why is it even necessary to communicate political messages in different languages? I thought knowledge of English was supposed to be necessary before you were granted citizenship. What about a law banning all political speech in a language other than English?

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  9. “There’s a general reason why a self-governing republic works better when politics is carried out among people who all speak one language. Historically, there’s a word commonly associated with a multilingual polity: empire.”

    And if you wonder why the elite aren’t all that concerned about the demographics of the Republic, there you have it. The Republic is dead, and has been replaced by empire. Elected officials feel no need whatsoever to serve the interests of the citizens, and can ignore or have judges overturn any desires of the people they find inconvenient. If this costs them their jobs? There are lucrative careers on Wall Street or K Street in abundance waiting for them when they leave. When Eric Cantor was tossed out by his constituents in Virginia he walked right into a job making 10x as much as he did in Congress. The voters sure taught him!

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  10. How nice that both Haley and Diaz-Barlat included a “willingness to abide by our laws,” because it’s a violation of our laws to enter this country without permission, to remain in this country if you’ve entered illegally and to take a job here if you are not a legal resident. I guess these fine distinctions never occurred to them.

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  11. The Wikipedia definition isn’t really right. Sometime after Rome became huge it started calling itself Imperium Romanum. Later, states that claimed to be Rome’s heirs used “imperium” in their names. They were simply copying Rome in this, evoking its legacy. Empire is just the French mispronunciation/misspelling of imperium. English got that word from French.

    At some point states that couldn’t plausibly claim any Roman heritage but which claimed to be as grand and important as Rome was in its day started calling themselves empires. There is no formal definition though. The only thing that prevented every state calling itself an empire was fear of ridicule. Rome was huge, most of the later states calling themselves empires were huge too. So people tended to laugh when small, unimportant states like the Central African Empire used that word.

    Where did Rome originally get this word? At first imperium meant something like “authority”. The authority given by the senate to a field commander or a civilian official. The bearer of authority was an imperator. Rome transitioned from republic to monarchy very gradually. It denied that it did this for a very long time. When one man rule became established the rulers didn’t want to call themselves kings because they didn’t want to appear tyrannical, didn’t want to acknowledge that the republic was dead. They were imperators though, because they held some authority. Eventually, over centuries, “imperator” came to mean “ruler of Rome” and imperium came to mean “the entity ruled by an imperator”.

    But as I said, there is no formal definition. The Roman Empire was multi-ethnic, but some very important later empires weren’t. The Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation was, as the name implies, overwhelmingly German for most of its existence.

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  12. There’s a general reason why a self-governing republic works better when politics is carried out among people who all speak one language.

    But who governs the USA? Not the majority. And in fact the federal governmental structure was designed to thwart government by the people.

    And when you refer to how such a nation might work “better”, better for whom? Better for the majority? Better for the upper 1 percent?

    This is all academic, anyway. We don’t have control, and unless we realize why we don’t have control, we cannot get control. Really, the only avenue we have to stop immigration is to take action outside of the system and make sure that current immigration and potential future immigrants know that the majority does not want them here.

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  13. and I predict that your use of the phrase self-governing republic will precipitate a flood of posts relating to drivel like “a republic if you can keep it,” and other retch-inducing references to founding fathers, the roman empire, Napoleon, Churchill yadda yadda yadda…won’t someone think of the children? And won’t someone think of my stomach?

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  14. The German Empire established by Bismarck in 1871 wasn’t multi-ethnic or multi-lingual either. But very much an empire. The only real requirement was that the public bought you being an empire. If you convinced them to call you that. And the deciding issue for that was size and importance. Multi-lingualism is not a requirement. Neither is one-man rule. Everyone bought Britain being an Empire, even though it was really ruled by Parliament.

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  15. Take me down to monkey town :

    Do you think they could grip a branch with those feet .

    Love that base though.

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  16. Another example: the Japanese started translating the name of their state into European languages as Japanese Empire before they got any colonies, while Japan was very monoethnic and monolingual. They did this because they were claiming to be on the same level as the British, French, Russian and other empires. So being multi-ethnic was never the deciding factor. Size, importance, ambition, public perception of importance were key.

    As leftism gained force, empire became a bad word, so today the most powerful states don’t want to call themselves empires anymore. That doesn’t mean that they’ve become nicer or more humanitarian of course. It’s just word play.

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  17. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQvl6bG940I

    They sashay by .

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  18. but on the other hand you do have some fans Sailer :

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  19. Don’t be embarrassed Sailer Waddle out of that closet .

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  20. Nice observation.

    RE: the reference to empire. Pat Buchanan wrote a book awhile ago dealing with this. A Republic, not an Empire is a good read for those interested.

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  21. Come and get it :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj0drevGOgA

    I don’t usually care for this female but this is good :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOFVrDAnrGc

    This too :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH_wHuM0JEA

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  22. You’re gonna love this, Steve:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/13/magazine/how-donald-trump-redeemed-nikki-haley.html

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    OT;

    Italian police make arrest in American woman’s ‘kinky sex’ death

    A drug dealer from Senegal was detained in Italy Wednesday in the death of an American woman found naked and strangled after taking part in a “kinky sex game,” officials said.

    http://nypost.com/2016/01/14/italian-police-make-arrest-in-american-womans-kinky-sex-death/

    The American artist killed in Florence was last spotted club-hopping — before winding up at a seedy drug den branded “dangerous” by local police, according to a report.

    http://nypost.com/2016/01/12/american-killed-in-italy-was-last-seen-in-a-seedy-drug-den/

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  24. Anglo-Saxons are incompetent and inferior. Cubans, Colombians and other rich Latin Americans will rule America and take control of the mess that the U.S.A has become.

    Let’s see how much politically correct ideology sways them. Let’s see if talk about the plight of the disenfranchised touches the hearts of the “conquistadores”. Yes…try to get “freebies” from people with the genes of Cortéz and Pizarro.

    I truly believe that the future American elite will be the rich upper class of Latin America. There are several reasons for this:

    – They are on average more affluent and better educated than white Americans.

    – They number in the millions.

    – They are driven towards POWER, unlike other model minorities, which are more driven towards simply wealth.

    – They are more verbally gifted than Asians, either in Spanish or English, and can push their agendas more effectively.

    – Unlike Indians, they are not humble and subservient and have high self-esteems.

    So, basically, you have a group of people of high average capacity, that numbers in the millions, and that are extroverted, aggressive and driven towards power and pushing their agendas.

    Asians will NOT become the rulling elite. Asians are timid and ACOMODATED. In every Society and culture they live, they just want to become a professional and follow the status quo. Minorities from India are competent, but they tend to be of extremely humble character and non-aggressive.

    Historically, rich Latin Americans have stayed in Latin America because they rule as an overclass there. However, over the past couple decades several proto-Marxist revolutions have occured in Latin America, and they were disposessed or at least disenfranchised.

    Because of this, for the first time ever, the rich upper class of Latin America is emigrating to America. The changes in Miami are a good showcase of that: a quarter century ago, there were only the Cubans. Now, there are the Colombians and the Argentineans.

    The entry into America of millions of highly educated and wealthy people of a different culture is one of the most important phenom of the past couple decades, but no one is talking about it.

    So, America will end up with a Latino elite, and not an Asian or Indian elite like many people think.

    This does not bode well for the U.S, because rich Latin Americans resent Anglos because they still take the pains of Spain in it’s wars against England. And rich Latin Americans see America as a pseudo-Britain, and The American as an Englishman.

    On the other hand, though, rich Latinos tend to be nice to white people, because they admire white people and cultures. Paradoxical as it sounds, a Latino elite in America might actually make the dream of many racists come true by closing the border to non-white immigration. They can definitely do that. From my interactions with them, although they resent Anglos, they DESPISE non-white people.

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  25. By the same stars above you :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuzHgcp-eUI

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  26. A little more country if you don’t mind :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACtFtux15eU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMcdqkb5q4s

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  27. You may have something. Here in Palm Beach the South Americans have been running the real estate business. The reported number of cash buys is the 20 percent range. God bless rich people.

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  28. Imagine the possibilities for the GOP fifty years from now…it can have a version in Spanish, one in Arabic, one in Punjabi, etc., each tailored carefully to the ethnic interests of its target audience.

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  29. The Spanish version is a more accurate translation.

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  30. Get the Fugs up there !!

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  31. Haven’t Chateau Heartiste and Return of Kings been warning us about this phenomenon? I notice that the victim had a “boyfriend.” There’s just something repulsive about a 35-year old bar hopping in seedy Italian nightclubs and hooking up with a Senegalese.

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  32. Empire is clearly what the U.S. is becoming. In an empire one is the subject of the emperor and nationality doesn’t matter, or at least not much, as long as one remains loyal to the emperor. As long as the various nationalities agree on the borders, these kind of arrangements can last a long time (e.g., the Holy Roman Empire and the Austro-Hungarian (Hapsburg) Empire). But when the borders aren’t clear, or there are significant nationalities outside the borders of the empire exerting a pull on their co-nationals within the empire, trouble starts.

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  33. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0aNxzF7MAk

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  34. Northern Italy has a lot of Africans, thanks to the liberation of Libya from Gaddafi’s regime (which kept the Med free of migrant ships) by among others the US and UK air forces.

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  35. It’s not who we are.

    This seems to be the new code phrase. Look for it. The lecturing attitude, the collective “we” and the dishonesty.

    Obama uses it.

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  36. A Republic, not an Empire

    The US is the product of empires (not just English, the Pope recently credited Junipero Sera as a Founding Father) and has been an empire from day one. Pat Buchanan should know that, he’s a history nerd.

    English settlers expanded their Empire against American Indians, the French, the Dutch and the Spanish.

    The later US empire went up against other American Indians, the French ( Louisiana Purchase), Mexicans (war) then the Spanish (Cuba, Puerto Rico, Philippines)

    etc etc etc right up to today with the US military, media, capitalist empire of today.

    The US is a money driven capitalist empire going back to the Plymouth COMPANY and the Virginia COMPANY of the early 1600s.

    Stop falsifying history.

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  37. Empire:
    The arguments here are making my point. When I read that ‘America is becoming an….EMPIRE’ I think I’m supposed to know what it means, and that it is bad. Vaguely, it is supposed to mean America has lots of people who don’t agree with each other, have different cultural backgrounds, speak different languages, and don’t agree on core (Anglo-Saxon) theories of justice and ethics (this is the alt-right version).

    But EMPIRE doesn’t necessarily mean that. Empire might mean that (I think the alt-right is thinking Austro-Hungarian Empire when they say…EMPIRE), but it might not (self-styled Napoleonic Empire, German Empire, Japanese Empire).

    So the whole rhetorical trick (‘America is devolving into…EMPIRE’) doesn’t work when empire might mean messy crap (AustroHungary), might mean world military power (Roman Empire) and might mean something pretty decent (British Empire), and might just mean ‘big strong kingdom (German, Japanese ‘empire’).

    joeyjoejoe

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  38. Do you know any rich Latin Americans? I know a lot of them, have lived among them in Latin America in a Spanish-only environment, and they’re nothing like what you describe.

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  39. She operated a coal powered stove and met a most unfortunate accident.

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  40. Anybody ever read “An Empire Wilderness” by Robert Kaplan? It was a little ahead of its time in foreseeing some trends in the U.S.

    Oh, and Tom Perex, one of Holder’s henchpersons, was pretty notorious in Montgomery County, MD as a councilman for saying very different things in english and spanish.

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  41. “The US is a money driven capitalist empire going back to the Plymouth COMPANY”

    Plymouth ROCK, not company. The Puritans weren’t capitalist businessmen per se. Being strong leaning Calvinists, they wanted to be left alone and build what they considered to be a Augustinian City of God on earth exclusively reserved for themselves alone. They left England and sailed to North America in order to be left alone by the outside world and create a world entirely of their own. This world would be self-sustaining and self-sufficient, while not allowing to much influence from the outside world. A 17th century theocracy to be governed without direct outside interference, and hopefully with minimal contact with outsiders that would only be when necessary (e.g. Indians).

    In some ways, this could be where the idea of a republic comes from. Us four, no more, and leave us alone to govern and live our lives the way we choose.

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  42. “The US is a money driven capitalist empire going back to the Plymouth COMPANY and the Virginia COMPANY of the early 1600s.”

    ongrats – you’ve just described about every country that ever existed, empire, republic, or otherwise.

    One critical aspect which defines an empire is governance. Republic’s are governed by citizens, while empire’s are governed by a small group of powerful people. The US retains the vestiges of a republic while its leaders have turned it into an empire. Politicians lie through their teeth about their real motives, fear no wrath of voters since there’s always a more lucrative gig waiting for them upon leaving office (see all the money Clinton and Gore have made since leaving politics) and any other inconvenient decision by the voters can be tossed out by unelected judges (see all the referendums on gay marriage and illegal immigration the courts have overturned).

    The leaders of the USA no longer care about the demographics of the “citizens” because being a citizen no longer means a damn thing.

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  43. Disagree. The early US was not an empire. The westward expansion happened in nearly vacant lands, or by lands that had been tenuously claimed by others. The Americans were not interested in absorbing foreign populations and incorporating them into an empire.

    Rather they would have preferred for those foreign inhabitants to have vanished which would have allowed them the land without interference. Or ideally they would have preferred that the relatively few inhabitants were not even there in the first place. The Americans were interested in getting more land for themselves, not in conquering, subduing and absorbing alien populations. An empire would have been just as interested in obtaining people as it was in obtaining lands.

    Even when the Americans clashed with the Mexicans over the SW, they really did not want to inherit the Mexican people living there. They would have been quite happy if those Mexicans had all fled south. It was land they wanted, not alien peoples. Had they been an empire they would have wanted to incorporate Mexicans, Indians and anyone else they could get their hands on into a greater population.

    What happened in America, Canada and Australia was of a people taking relatively vacant lands for themselves like the world probably experienced thousands of years ago when vast tracts of the earth remained underpopulated. It will never happen again since the earth is now fully populated. The fact that it just happened recently and was heavily documented is just a bonus for historians and others who have no written records of such events from prehistory.

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  44. Agreed. Refer to Canada for further elucidation.

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  45. Nah, empires like Rome at least provided some peace and stability and allowed their subjects to retain their cultures. The US gov couldn’t keep Afghanistan or Iraq peaceful not does it allow social conservatism in any form.

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  46. It’s just word play.

    It’s not just word play; it’s very significant: Rome 2.0

    If Americans want to hold on to a Republic then they need to halt all immigration, rebuild the manufacturing base and shrink the empire rapidly.

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  47. The US is the product of empires (not just English, the Pope recently credited Junipero Sera as a Founding Father)

    I was a bit outraged on your behalf for the Junipero Sera thing. Who does the Pope think he is to make the claim that a subject of the Empire of Spain converting heathens in California has any truck with the industrious republic being founded simultaneously on the other side of the continent? Is the Czar a founding father of the US for having colonized Alaska? Is Napoleon III for Louisiana? The current Pope gets on my nerves, with his faux third world allure and open borders theology. Couldn’t your Popes be crooks like our Patriarchs? Instead, you get idealists stamping their shepherd’s crook on your face forever.

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  48. A nation can be a republic at home and an empire abroad with the distinction being the elite don’t treat the home nation as a colony.

    The oligarchs aim to turn America into just another colony.

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  49. The USA has three distinct nations in it: Anglo-America, Hispanic-America, and Africa-America. Even “Hispanic-America” is not monolithic. The indio/mestizos and Iberians largely retain their distinctive phenotypes after centuries of living with each other.

    Jewish-America seems pretty intent on maintaining its separate genetic heritage like the Amish, who are going to show up for the future.

    Any group that is not out-marrying other than at the margins is really a separate nation. American women generally don’t want to have babies with swarthy, crude men who practice Islam, so there’s some more nations for you: Arab, North African.

    Over time, the disparate groups will grow more distinct from each other and unable to forge political consensus, so they’ll split up.

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  50. Ah, England. If you want a picture of the future, imagine first generation Pakistani immigrants stamping on your institutions. Forever.

    from Jan 12 from Robin

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  51. Nikki Haley. Both a woman and non-White. And gee, ready to throw us working class and middle class Whites under the bus at the first opportunity.

    A requirement, but not sufficiency, of voting for a candidate, should be White and male. Not Joe Biden, but AT LEAST Donald Trump. Women, non-Whites need not apply because they will betray your vote for non-Whites immavading your nation. Fundamentally, at the moment, women have different interests and agendas as Kanazawa’s latest research shows as highlighted at Heartiste. This need not be eternal but is what it is for the moment. Non-Whites? They will ALWAYS side with other non-Whites against Whites.

    Many White men will do the same: Biden, Bill Clinton, Tim Wise. Etc. But White men must fight their own corner. No woman nor non-White deserves your vote at a minimum. The cost of betrayal — you end up living as a third rate citizen in a non-White majority place, is too high.

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  52. “Jewish-America seems pretty intent on maintaining its separate genetic heritage”

    You gotta be kidding. American Jews marry goyim in huge proportions. Now many, maybe most, may raise their mischling children in the Jewish traditions, but that is a separate issue from genetic heritage.

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  53. Anytime anybody uses that disgusting phrase, “it’s not who we are,” the correct response is: “what you mean ‘we,’ kemosabe?”

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  54. “Uh, part of the traditions of SC was of course to honor the Confederate Battle Flag as well as other war dead from what is generally termed in the South “War between the States”. In light of how she treated the battle flag during last summer’s unpleasantness, how exactly has Gov. Haley honored that particular tradition that is not so minor part of the history of South Carolina?”

    I was going to raise the same point, but I see you beat me to it. I agree. As I noted on another post on another thread, I guess we can count out Nikki Haley as a possible Trump running mate.

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  55. Articles like this make me feel better and better about Trump. Whenever they talk about him, their IQ drops by about 40 points. It’s like a logical thinking disruption field.

    The picture in the article is weird. They should have cropped out Scott Walker and Valerie Jarret, along with Jindal’s ridiculously oversize suit if they wanted them to look better.

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  56. Historically, there’s a word commonly associated with a multilingual polity: empire.

    Or Switzerland.

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  57. Articles like this make me feel better and better about Trump.

    I am actually considering supporting and voting for Trump. If someone had told me six months ago that this were possible, I’d have laughed and laughed… and probably felt insulted, because I have loathed him (I still consider him a highly flawed messenger for a very sound message).

    It’s down to Cruz and Trump for me at this point. And my wife feels exactly the same. She finds Cruz shifty and Trump “a silver spoon-fed, vulgar, insecure ego-maniac,” and does not believe Trump will do anything he claims he will, but it’s down to those two for her as well.

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  58. She’s a joke and a tool. She won no one over with that speech. But she’s the perfect rep for the GOP establishment that no longer represents white America.

    However the very notion of promoting her as a VP candidate is just insane. She’s a repackaged foreigner who thinks like a globalist/Democrat.

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  59. Is the GOPe so stupid that they think that no one was watching, that no one would check and report on the divergent messages, that American citizens were being shafted?

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  60. Switzerland is kind of the exception that proves the rule that multi-lingual countries don’t work. But Switzerland, in a sense, is governed like an empire; the central government has relatively little power and much of the real power lies in the cantons. Cantons are definitely French, German, Italien or Romansch speaking. There was even some minor terrorism in the Jura in the 1960s, which led to a division of the canton into French and German speaking sections. Speak French in a German speaking canton (unless you’re obviously a foreigner) and you get a very frosty reception.

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  61. What was most shocking to me is that the folks at the RNC actually thought they could get away with such a clumsy maneuver in the first place, without getting called on it…

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  62. Confederate Battle Flag

    IIRC, she actually made reference in her speech to her leading role in taking the Rebel Flag down from the State House. Imagine having the brass to be born to, say, English parents in, say, India, and getting elected to office there, and then using that power to start changing around what historical symbols are used, all in a way that brazenly advances your own ethnic interests, and diminishes that of the natives.

    That’s Nikki Haley in a nutshell. Vile, corrupt woman.

    I’m shocked to learn that politicians will say one thing to one thing to one part of the electorate in one language and another, completely different thing to another part of the electorate in another language.

    Then I advise you to stay well away from the details of Lincoln’s career.

    Anglo-Saxons are incompetent and inferior. Cubans, Colombians and other rich Latin Americans will rule America and take control of the mess that the U.S.A has become.

    Yeah, that’s why you guys have so much mestizo and indian blood; cuz you’re so superior. That’s why Latin America’s so great, because Latin superiority. That’s why your elite would rather live here.

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  63. Burn the coal; pay the toll.

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    “The Americans” you speak of were basically British descended Protestants that have not dominated demographically nor dominated as the ruling elite for a long time. The past is another country. Because America was a de facto empire, these old stock Americans became absorbed by others, primarily European descended peoples, while the ruling class continued to be dominated by the old stock Americans for a while. The cultural forms, artifacts, and relics of the old stock Americans persist as a part of national culture and mythology, but American culture as we know it today is primarily an imperial, capitalist produced, mass media distributed pop culture that originated in the 20th century.

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  65. Jewish-America seems pretty intent on maintaining its separate genetic heritage like the Amish, who are going to show up for the future. Any group that is not out-marrying other than at the margins is really a separate nation.

    The out-marriage rate of non-orthodox Jews is spectacularly high. I have seen a figure as high as 70 percent. I don’t understand your asserion that “Jewish-America seems pretty intent on maintaining its separate genetic heritag.”

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  66. @Svigor

    “Yeah, that’s why you guys have so much mestizo and indian blood; cuz you’re so superior. That’s why Latin America’s so great, because Latin superiority. That’s why your elite would rather live here.”

    Logic fails you. First of all, I am not Latino. What has possesing Indian blood got to do with being superior or not? Someone with Indian blood can be extremely capable, while someone of 100% European ancestry can be an idiot. Even if there are differences in average intelligence between ethnic groups, they are very small compared to differences in intellignece between individuals. The true gap in ability is between individuals, and not nations or races.

    Also, I am talking here about an elite, and not the average people. Therefore, the lack of economic development of Latin America is 100% irrelvant to the topic. The fact is that the particular type of Latino immigrant that I am discussing, the ones from the upper crusts of Latin America, are wealthier and better educated than middle-class white Americans. This is not even debateable. I saw a statistic once that there are over twice as many Cuban-Americans earning over 100 K a year than Anglo Americans on a per capita basis.

    And they don’t actually prefer living in America: they are being kicked out by proto-Marxist revolutions in their homelands. They actually live like kings in Latin America when leftist revolutions don’t bother them. But, yes, they do prefer America in some kinds od ways,such as that they are physically safer in America than in their native countries.

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  68. The sentiment expressed in your post hit me after that wretched South Carolina Sihk carpetbagger ordered the Confederate battle ensign taken down. I realized then that I could not vote for Bobby Jindal because he was Indian, and that I could not vote for Ben Carson because he was black and that I could not vote for Joni Ernst (U.S. senator from Iowa) because she was a female. I guess that was my “identitarian” moment.

    If the U.S. were 95-98% white, we could afford to indulge the occasional minority. If the U.S. were a firm patriarchy, we could afford to indulge the occasional woman with business or political talent. But, given the present state of affairs, we must put racial and sexual identify first.

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  69. Your characterization of Donald Trump as a highly-flawed messenger (although he does have his strengths, some of which go hand-in-hand with his flaws) with a very sound message is spot on. I plan to steal it!

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  70. I just commented elsewhere that I’d gladly take a flawed ally over a smooth enemy. Maybe I should’ve said “daddy longlegs” and “termite”, or “mosquito hawk” and “mosquito”.

    The five Sullivan brothers acquired a distasteful reputation in their Iowa hometown, while the average kamikaze pilot was probably quite polite and refined. Still, who you gonna side with on the Pacific front?

    I did switch from Fischer to Spassky halfway through that tournament, but that was an extreme instance, and only a game. Plus, Trump is just rude, not clinically insane.

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  71. My girlfriend and I as well. We’ll take smarmy or vulgarian over evil.

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  72. South Carolina is Exhibit A for why you shouldn’t invite the world into your domain. They’ve been celebrating racial diversity for over 200 years.

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  73. Nikki Haley is a very good looking woman. Too bad her politics is not as attractive as her physical appearance.

    I am not usually into Indian woman, but Nikki does not look stereotypically Indian. She looks like she can pass for Armenian or a Turk for example. She has Kardashian pigmentation rather than the typical Indian pigmentation.

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