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The GOP debate will be tonight, Thursday, at 8:30 pm EST on CNN.

 

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  1. There is genuine vitriol in this race.

    In earlier races, there were some cons who supported McCain, some who supported Romney, some who supported Perry, some who supported etc, etc, etc.

    But there was no conviction, no fire, thus no real animus. Just polite going through the motions.

    Romney supporters didn’t hate McCain supporters and vice versa.
    Santorum supporters didn’t hate Huckabee supporters and vice versa.

    But there is genuine hatred among the various factions.

    Trump supporters really hate the other camps and vice versa.

    But I don’t think it’s really populism vs populism, e.g. masses who support Trump vs masses who support Rubio.
    While there are masses who support Rubio or others, they do so without passion.
    In contrast, there is mass passion for Trump.

    The real passion is between masses for Trump and ELITES for Rubio(and others).

    Masses for Trump really hate the GOP elites, the elites who support Rubio(and others) really hate Trump masses.

    I think the GOP elites fear Trump for professional reasons(as for other ones).
    If Trump ignores all their advice and still wins, it will mean that all the experts have been phony and useless quacks who’ve been raking it in and holding power for no good reason at all.

    imagine if you’re part of a coaching staff, but the athlete wins the championship by disobeying and disregarding all your advice.
    You will lose your standing. You will be exposed as an Adviser with No Clothes. That’s what the GOP elites and experts fear. Trump wins, they lose jobs.

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  2. “I’m not going to pay for that fucking wall.” – Vicente Fox, ex-President of Mexico.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/02/25/former_mexican_president_vicente_fox_to_trump_im_not_paying_for_that_fing_wall.html

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  3. LeBron James recently had his coach fired. In 1981, Magic Johnson had the Laker coach fired, and that put the Lakers on the road to 4 NBA titles.

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  4. All true, and that’s also why it’s great entertainment by political standards. Nobody’s tuning in watch Cruz nitpick Rubio. They want to see the Donald.

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  5. Steve, this whole nomination process, and possibly the general election, is providing a terrific, if imperfect, field test of the “Sailer Strategy” (or at least parts of it) versus the RNC’s post-2012 “Growth and Opportunity Project” (aka, “the autopsy”) strategy. We may have to wait until November, but I’m hoping we’ll get some comprehensive comparative analysis from you on this.

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  6. Romney supporters didn’t hate McCain supporters and vice versa.

    I’ve always hated McCain. I couldn’t vote for him even against Obama.

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  7. https://www.sbstatesman.com/2016/02/23/political-science-professor-forecasts-trump-as-general-election-winner/

    Trump beats HRC 54.7 to 45.3. Trump 97% certain to beat HRC, 99% certain to beat Sanders.

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  8. You pretty much hit the nail on the head. Trump’s ongoing success so far despite numerous predictions both of what a Republican candidate had to do to be successful and of his eventual “#PeakTrump” collapse “any day now” has been contrary to the predictions and expectations of the vast majority of people who write or talk about US politics for a living. If he ultimately wins in the general, he’ll have exposed them as, at best, incompetent and ill-informed about the supposed subject of their professional and public lives; or, at worst, especially on the Republican side, as likely shills for the consultant and donor classes, who needlessly led the GOP into a quarter-century relative drought of electoral success in Presidential elections since Reagan. That will be a stain that will be hard, if not impossible, to ever wash off, given the Internet as well as how verbose most of these characters have been. These people will be fighting for their professional and public lives. Expect the venom come thick and fast.

    A real puzzle to me though that is still waiting for an answer is why none of the big GOP donors or PACs have yet put forth a major effort to sink Trump with negative ads, or what will happen if and when they try to. After three decades of Republican spinmeisters mastering the art of negative campaigning, their relative reluctance in this cycle is strange.

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  9. Trump going up and up in Georgia:

    Trump 45
    Rubio 19
    Cruz 16
    Carson 8
    Kasich 6

    http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=4bbed8ac-c9f0-4ef1-a64e-584123cee583

    If the debate doesn’t stop his momentum, he’s going to clock 50+ in some Super Tuesday States.
    With early voting going on for weeks now it looks pretty difficult that Trump manages to lose anything but Texas on Tuesday.

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  10. There are only two reasons I held my nose and voted for McCain: Kagan and Sotomayer.

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  11. OT?

    “FIRST REPUBLICAN DEBATE HIGHLIGHTS: 2015″ — A Bad Lip Reading of The Republican Debate

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  12. Why on earth is Carson still running?

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  13. Quick OT, but I finally figured out why everyone has to go to college now. It would be one more thing we didn’t have to debate about.

    I got it when I saw this picture on imgur:

    Seriously. Stop forcing kids to enslave themselves to debt over a useless, bullshit degree. Many Trades are in short supply of m

    Nobody’s daughter wants to be this guy. Our society would have to admit that all the invisible guys who design and build and maintain and tear down and rebuild are being disrespected and that the only future that women want is a free paycheck plus benefits that they get while keeping their clothes and hair and nails nice – white collar work that college grads get.

    And yes, the oligarchs can make big profits by importing illegal labor that builds to Mexico’s standard, except in their gated community. Blue collar guys get squeezed out.

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  14. Romney supporters didn’t hate McCain supporters and vice versa.

    McCain though really hated Romney. I don’t even remember what that was about. It was all trivial compared to what is happening now.

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  15. I agree with your comment but I have to admit I hate how language fails us and we’re so often stuck calling the current handful of people in the Establishment the “elite”. The real elite is living in internal exile all around us. It’s not these third-rate “mass men”* currently occupying the political choke-points left over from the days of broadcast towers and printing presses.

    Jonah Goldberg isn’t “elite”, he’s just some guy at a keyboard with a family-size bag of Dorritos in his lap. The only difference is where the text he types goes when he hits “send”.

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Revolt_of_the_Masses

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    It’s OVER for Cruz. Not because of Trump but because of Cruz himself.

    Cruz attacked ‘New York Values’ instead of ‘Manhattan Values.’ The latter would’ve been a home run but he WHIFFED.

    Cruz could’ve left out the preacher talk in his Iowa victory speech as a gesture to the secular voters ahead. Nope! He went full Baptist and WHIFFED.

    There are many more examples. How can you let your staff take the low road when your campaigning as a Super Christian? Another WHIFF.

    Good bye to Cruz.

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  17. Vincente Fox is getting desperate…

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  18. I watched that interview with Melania, damn what a complete package, five languages, answered all the moronic questions while maintaining her composure, truly impressive.

    Lew Rockwell linked to a WaPo editorial that was absolutely hysterical in it’s Trump hatred, all the right people are coming unhinged, go Trump!

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  19. OT: 50th anniversary of the Coleman Report on equality of educational opportunity.

    http://educationnext.org/equality-of-educational-opportunity-today-reconsidering-the-coleman-report-on-its-50th-anniversary/

    Topic: Why has the United States made such little progress?

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  20. Romney was smarter, richer, better-looking, and morally superior to McCain. McCain could probably have tolerated some of these, but not all four together.

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  21. i’ve laid hands on the chia obama. i’m sensing this is the night for the mailman’s son. feel the john – kasich 2016!

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  22. Is Trump actually Howard Beal?

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  23. Is anyone around here hip to The Fourth Turning by William Strauss and Neil Howe?

    According to their theory, we’re experiencing a political realignment of the type that happens every eighty years or so. Ergo, right on schedule.

    For better or worse, one Donald J. Trump appears to be emerging as the Grey Champion of our current Crisis. Following in the footsteps of George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

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  24. McCain has yet to find a country he doesn’t want to attack…

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    The weak cuck army is out with a new offensive led by negative five-star General Mittens.

    Loyal subcommander Rubio will attack Trump’s tax return issue tonight.

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  26. Who does everyone want to win the presidency? Or the nomination? I’m _guessing_ this crowd is mostly Trump fans? Some Cruz fans?

    I like Trump’s personality and media savvy and ability to publicly flip liberal politically correct thinking upside down.

    But on straight policy, I absolutely prefer Cruz. Particularly on two issues:

    Health care: Trump wants even more government control, Cruz wants more of a competitive free market. The idea that regular working families can easily have ~$20k/year deducted from their salary (including the employer side deduction) and have very little say on how this is spent is just out of control. And the idea that ~55% of US emergency care is “uncompensated” and must be funded by other political tricks is also completely out of control.

    Free Trade: The big difference between trade of goods and immigration is with trade, both parties are very clearly willing participants voluntarily entering a transaction. With immigration, the immigrant clearly wants to move, but the host society and people don’t have any choice beyond federal limits they vote into place.

    There is also the issue of who is more electable in a general election… Trump is more polarizing and inspires more people to vote either way. Cruz is less offensive but also less inspiring to average americans who don’t understand deep policy. I have no idea which has better odds in the general election.

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    The debate should be viewable on CNN’s website. The previous CNN debates were.

    The “muscle” professor at Mizzou got fired:

    “Melissa Click, Missouri professor filmed asking for ‘muscle,’ is fired”

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/25/media/melissa-click-fired-university-of-missouri/index.html

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  28. McCain, in the 2000 campaign, went down to Suffolk Virginia and said bad things about Evangelicals. That was so stupid, I had to assume the man was either suicidal or divorced from reality. I skipped that line when voting. Obama is a joke, but he’s not going to blow up the world.

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  29. Fox is descended from German Americans who lived near Cleveland.

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  30. Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho

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    The real elite is living in internal exile all around us.

    Who are the real elite? I don’t follow what you mean by “internal exile”.

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    “David Duke: Voting against Trump is ‘treason to your heritage’”

    “The white nationalist and former KKK grand wizard encouraged his listeners to volunteer for Trump.”

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/david-duke-trump-219777

    David Duke, a white nationalist and former Klu Klux Klan grand wizard, told his audience Wednesday that voting for anyone besides Donald Trump “is really treason to your heritage.”

    “Voting for these people, voting against Donald Trump at this point, is really treason to your heritage,” Duke said on the David Duke Radio Program. BuzzFeed News first reported the comments.

    “I’m not saying I endorse everything about Trump. In fact, I haven’t formally endorsed him. But I do support his candidacy, and I support voting for him as a strategic action. I hope he does everything we hope he will do.”

    The former Louisiana representative told listeners to start volunteering for Trump.

    “And I am telling you that it is your job now to get active. Get off your duff. Get off your rear end that’s getting fatter and fatter for many of you everyday on your chairs. When this show’s over, go out, call the Republican Party, but call Donald Trump’s headquarters, volunteer,” he said. “They’re screaming for volunteers. Go in there, you’re gonna meet people who are going to have the same kind of mind-set that you have.”

    In December, Duke told POLITICO that Trump’s candidacy allows Americans to be more open about their racial animus.

    “He’s made it OK to talk about these incredible concerns of European Americans today, because I think European Americans know they are the only group that can’t defend their own essential interests and their point of view,” Duke said. “He’s meant a lot for the human rights of European Americans.”

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  33. TATTOOS SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  34. For better or worse, one Donald J. Trump appears to be emerging as the Grey Champion of our current Crisis. Following in the footsteps of George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

    Excellent. That’s teally the issue–the sclerotic elite is ignoring its subjects, and the forces of democracy retain vigor so as to crash into some acceptable realignment (or, we will see whether they do. The assassination talk is disconcerting).

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  35. Just like everything else Trump has said, his statement about Cruz being “a nasty man” is entirely correct. There is something deeply off-beat and unsettling about Ted Cruz. He is a sleazeball lawyer whose Rainman-like intellect tends to obscure his essentially kooky personality. He is a known liar, although like all great liars he knows how to lend plausible deniability to his lies so that he can later claim not to have said anything wrong. He does not come across as a Christian, not even of the rather low-church evangelical variety. He behaves very stiffly and oddly in public. Notice how no one who has ever worked with the man has come out to say anything good about him.

    If Rubio and Cruz donned red and green overalls (respectively), they would look just like Mario and Luigi. The Super Marco Bros. are going to spend the evening trying to hop all over King Koopa Trump, but we already know who’s won the princess.

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  36. I agree with the rest of your statement 100%. Yeah, the Democratic base does not want to be that guy, the Democratic elite doesn’t like that guy, and yeah, that guy is getting screwed.

    But that’s not why they want to send everyone to college. They want to send everyone to college because

    (A) Colleges get truckloads of money and are full of Democrats
    (B) Liberals have this huge faith in education and think that if everyone goes to college, everyone can be a lawyer and have a nice job.

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  37. Not-so-bold prediction: If Trump comes out tonight not too hurt, he’s a lock to be a nominee.

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  38. Who are the real elite?

    The people who are genuinely the best in their field. In politics the elite is made up of those who are the best at governance, advocacy and analysis on behalf of their people.

    …. what you mean by “internal exile”

    I’m alluding to people in other times and places who remain in their own country but are kept away from centres of power and influence, usually by some state decree. We’ve ended up with an informal and de facto version of this via the centralized character of mass media. Thankfully that’s coming apart as we speak. Trump’s “no f***ks given” campaigning style is moving this creative destruction forward by leaps and bounds.

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  39. Well if McCain had won, instead of Kagan and Sotomayer you would have gotten Sotomayer and Kagan .
    Republican presidents have routinely made bone headed supreme court picks over the decades. The Democrats on the other hand never mess these SC picks up from their point of view.

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  40. Hey Mittens,

    I still have some White Salamander letters for sale. Not all were bought by Gordon Hinckley to cover up Joseph Smith’s black magic revelations from a salamander. If interested let me know.

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    Did you read the hilarious comments about the Donald Trump by Al Sharpton, who has known Trump for decades?

    “The best way I can describe Donald Trump to friends is to say if Don King had been born white he’d be Donald Trump. Both of them are great self-promoters and great at just continuing to talk even if you’re not talking back at them.”

    “Don King had me fly with him and Trump to Atlantic [City] in Trump’s helicopter, and it was one of the most memorable things in my life to sit on that big, black Trump helicopter, both of them talking nonstop, not listening to each other. And I’m sitting there. It was probably the longest ride I ever was on. Both of them shut me up.”

    http://www.salon.com/2016/02/22/al_sharpton_donald_trump_is_like_what_don_king_would_have_been_if_hed_been_born_white/

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  42. Actually Ted is doing worse than whiffing. He is grounding into inning ending double plays.

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  43. No one is asking Fox to pay for the wall.

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  44. Nothing is more important than stopping mass immigration. Trump is the first candidate since Pat Buchanan to make immigration a central issue in his campaign.

    Cruz took his position on immigration only after he saw Trump’s success in the polls.

    Trump’s fearlessness is both admirable and necessary, but it’s not his personality that is winning us over. Those of us here who support him are out on a limb hoping that he’ll do what he says he’ll do.

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  45. As Conservative Treehouse noted today – the question of building the border wall is now over but for the details and execution. The only remaining question is who will pay for it!

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  46. The media is going to goad Rubio to his doom.

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  47. Ummm…..because Negros?

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  48. The sheer entertainment value is reason enough to watch these debates.

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  49. Massimo, immigration is the number one issue. We could enact 90 percent tax rates and provide free health care like Canada on steroids. Both of which would be reversible when the country realizes the bill cannot be paid.

    But mass immigration is replacing the population. And sooner or later your nation will no longer be your nation. That’s why immigration, not just illegal BTW, should be the top priority.

    Trade is definitely a second place issue for me ahead of health care. Suffice it to say I take a more protectionist bent on this issue. I don’t get Cruz’s support of the Trans Pacific Partnership since it appears to give away too much sovereignty. I did like Trump’s remarks about Carrier relocating to Mexico. He said as President he’d call the Carrier exec and tell him that if he wants to bring those AC units back to the USA, he’d face a 35 percent tariff.

    We have half the population on the left side of the IQ curve. So everyone can’t be programmers, engineers, doctors and such. I see no need to offshore jobs that Americans could be doing. And I don’t see any benefit to allowing the products of those offshored jobs free access to our market.

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    “But that’s not why they want to send everyone to college. They want to send everyone to college because”

    It’s also an opportunity to brainwash America’s young, impressionable adults for four years.

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    Cruz has serious elevators in his shoes! I am 5’11″ and stood beside both Trump and Cruz. Trump was a good 4 inches taller than me. Cruz shorter. But on stage Cruz was close to Trump’s height and had a weird stance. Bizarre! Visuals are important but really??

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  52. Odd that that dame would sing the Star Spangled Banner thus, “…oh say does that star spangled banner still wave/ for the land of the free…”

    Carson and Trump step out with unbuttoned jackets… coordinated?

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  53. I’m going to watch Infowars coverage just because they will take the entertainment value to the next level. I like them because they come from the other America. They have a “Mystery Science Theatre 3000″ setup during the debate. “There’s a war on for your mind” indeed.

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  54. After the singer finished the Star Spangled Banner, the crowd started yelling “USA – USA – USA.” Interesting, because I’ve never seen that before at a debate. Also interesting because that’s the crowds have started yelling at Trump rallies.

    It seems like Trump really has people energized. He seems to be galvanizing people in a way I haven’t seen in years.

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  55. Why on earth is Carson still running?

    I heard it’s to stick it to Cruz (Carson has a lot of evangelical cuck voters, Cruz is the big evangelical alternative) because he’s pissed over the dirty tricks.

    Romney was smarter, richer, better-looking, and morally superior to McCain. McCain could probably have tolerated some of these, but not all four together.

    You forgot taller.

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  56. Trump says the best illegal immigrants can come back. I don’t want that. I want the border shut down.

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  57. Why on earth is Carson still running?

    Team player.

    In the Village People parade of candidates he was invited to play the Black Guy in return for some party favors. He never expected to win, but like the cheatin’ pizza guy in the last election, he is showing that the Republican Party is for blacks too, not that anyone really believes that, but, hey, this is politics not some kind of reality show.

    Carson will step aside when he receives the word.

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  58. Interesting, Cruz is trying to position himself to the right of Trump on immigration.

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  59. Nice intro video montage showing the Republican candidates in a good light. Surprised CNN allowed that.

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  60. Supposedly the plans are in the works

    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/02/24/gope-announce-plans-to-go-full-mississippi-on-donald-trump-to-destroy-him/

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  61. the mailman son wants to “complete the border”

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  62. Opportunity and outcome are not the same thing. Everybody already has the same opportunity. But like the programmers say garbage in garbage out.

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  63. Yes, Trump is galvanizing people to talk back to the powers that be who are culturally cleansing their country and destroying the job market. In return, I expect to see the “metaphors” of shooting Trump to become reality. I would not be surprised to see a serious attempt on his life.

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  64. Free Trade: The big difference between trade of goods and immigration is with trade, both parties are very clearly willing participants voluntarily entering a transaction.

    This is clearly not some hypothetical voluntary agreement of one country trading what it has with another country for what it has like in the economic textbooks. It is about the management of a corporation sending jobs to another country to take advantage of lower wages and weaker environmental standards so those execs get big bonuses and the American taxpayer gets stuck with welfare for the laid off American workers.

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  65. Marcobot has been programmed with a lot of anti-trump sound bites tonight, and the Don is batting them away…

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  66. I guess it looks like Poles are now going to be used as the scapegoat for immigration in the US as they are in the UK. Meanwhile Mexicans and Pakistanis are not to be mentioned.

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  67. Rubio is trying his best to fight Trump. It’s the most aggressive I’ve seen him. CNN has turned up Rubio’s mic above Trump’s so that Trump is drowned out.

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  68. I live in Asia and when an Asian asks me about why Trump is popular, this is a way I use to explain it.

    If you really want to understand Trump’s appeal, just look at the fact that 45% of US citizens don’t pay taxes because they don’t make enough due to jobs increasingly being low-level service work with many of the higher level jobs being taken by H1B.

    Then combine it with this scenario – imagine the head of Japan announces:
    1. Japan is opening its borders and plans to make the majority of the country Chinese and Muslims
    2. Japanese privilege classes will begin in all schools to combat Japanese racism and the country will begin eliminating Japanese cultural events as non-inclusive
    3. Japanese will pay more taxes to subsidize these workers who for the most part won’t be pay taxes
    4. Crime and terrorism will go up but that is unavoidable and Xenophobic to mention
    5. When any business employs a majority of Japanese ethnics, there will be a discussion of the “Japanese problem”
    6. Preferences will be given in hiring to the newcomers
    7. Any negative comments about what is going on will be clamped down on because if you don’t like this cultural cleansing you are Hitler.

    Now, honestly ask yourself how the Japanese would react to this plan? Add those two together and it gives you an idea of why people are backing Trump.

    After that, they all say they understand his appeal and would never let that type of scenario develop in their own country.

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  69. Worrying about free trade and healthcare is ridiculous when white children are already a minority in the US. I care about blood and soil, and Trump is the only candidate that even understands the concept. Libertarian ideological straight jackets mean nothing to me. Every quasi religious concept about liberty and freedom has been used by a parasitic elite in the name of open borders, offshoring and outsourcing and against white males. Free trade with Mexico and China has been an obvious and unmitigated disaster. Slap on the tariffs.

    Libertarianism is a coward’s ideology. It’s an attempt by white males to argue in their own interest by ideological means instead of arguing plainly for what’s in the interest of their own blood and culture like every other ethnic group does. Every libertarian ideal has been turned against them by their ideological opponents. To be a libertarian you have to believe in open borders and free trade (or make some Rube Goldberg argument about why it’s more libertarian to believe otherwise) despite the fact that this is dispossessing and impoverishing white males who make up 99.9999% of all the libertarians that ever were or ever will be. To be a libertarian means to choose liberty over survival because how can you be a libertarian if you let sanity trump laissez-faire? In the future, when the last libertarian is bludgeoned to death with the last copy of Atlas Shrugs by some black panther militia man, he’ll be bitching with his dying breath about violations of his property rights and voluntary agreements.

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  70. Marco Roboto is repeating himself ad nauseam yet again. He said that line about “present applicants will not be able to renew their status” four times in a row. Pathetic.

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  71. Back in the day, King would not have anything to do with Sharpton. He figured him for a snitch and he was right. Sharpton tried to get close to King for the FBI. King being a smart guy, he kept Sharpton around, but never let him hear or see anything or anyone important. That’s why Sharpton ended up being a stepin fetchit for Manhattan honkies.

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  72. Why did CNN allow that foreigner to question the candidates AND when is she going to ask Trump a question?? Or she just there to freeze Trump out?

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  73. Cruz is harping on the hackneyed old meme that Hispanics are natural Republicans.

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  74. Usually, a trained monkey could win the GOP nomination and the presidency.GOP establishment thought this was a walk in the park.

    They even changed the rules to hold insurgent candidates like Ron Paul out. However, the GOP establishment did not understand that the vacuum after George W. Bush opened up possibilities for many minor candidates. In the beginning there were 18 candidates.

    After Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada it has narrowed to Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich and Carson. Donald Trump needs 56+ percent or 1406 delegates of 2472 if he is going to win the nomination. Trump cannot count with any off the 168 RNC delegates. I don’t see how Trump can go from 82 delegates and 32 percent to 1406 delegates and 56 percent.

    Trump is apparently in big trouble. The dull Neo-Nazi David Duke (and people like him) has just endorsed or semi-endorsed Donald Trump. Some of these people are even running ads in his name. The News Media is all over it and ADL and all major (liberal and conservative) editorial boards are now demanding that Trump backs down. I actually think it is the fringe “white nationalists” who will destroy Donald Trump.

    David Duke’s endorsement or semi-endorsement was just what the MSM, the GOP establishment, Conservative Inc. and major liberal organizations needed denounce Trump as a racist.

    I think it will stick on Trumps voters, Trump Organization and Trump himself – if these fringe racists, Nazis and fascists continue to endorse Trump he may lose. I cannot stand ethno and racial nationalists. I hate these people so much.

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  75. I hope it moves Trump farther to the right on immigration.

    Regardless, it shifts the Overton window. Everyone must admit that the shift in the Overton window has been remarkable during this cycle.

    I had thought that the shift would be like the pent-up demand for housing after WW2. An explosion no one expected, that Democrats assumed was impossible. But here we go. President Trump? It is starting to look like not just a a plausible scenario, but a possibility, and more and more like a probable outcome.

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  76. I am a Pollack. If ending immigration means using disparaging terms to describe us, I will take it.

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  77. Immigration is the essential issue. Otherwise your serfdom has already been arranged.

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  78. “I cannot stand ethno and racial nationalists. I hate these people so much.” Then you must hate the entire Social Justice warrior bunch.

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  79. Trump has been endorsed by David Duke.

    No one in there right mind is going to vote for this clown now.

    Rubio will be the nominee and you guys can go have a good cry.

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  80. I actually think it is the fringe “white nationalists” who will destroy Donald Trump.

    Interesting that an unsolicited endorsement from David Duke, (did he ever ever try to physically harm anyone), will sink Trump. But Al Sharpton, who instigated the Freddie’s Fashion Mart killings, is sought out by Hillary and Bernie who deem his endorsement critical to their campaign.

    As Don King would say, “only in America”.

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  81. Poland the Winkelried of Nations.

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  82. I cannot stand ethno and racial nationalists. I hate these people so much.

    I just wanted to say that you seem like a really deep and thoughtful person. I truly admire the courage it must take to denounce racism in such a public fashion in the year 2016.

    I just hope you don’t suffer any negative consequences for your brave stance, like losing your job. I hope you’ve thought about that possibility.

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  83. Please take your meds.

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  84. This debate cannot be helping our chances of winning the general election. Who decides the structure of these things?

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  85. Calm down sister

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  86. The mailman’s son also doesn’t know we already have guest worker programs–about 30 of them. He thinks we haven’t tried them yet. He also thinks withholding citizenship from illegal aliens is sufficient punishment for them, while in fact they couldn’t care less about it. Kasich just said that “What America needs is jobs, jobs, and jobs!” but he doesn’t seem to mind if newly arrived or legalized immigrants are taking them.

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  87. Yes, I cannot stand organizations that make race or ethnicity part of their policy. I don’t understand why the “Hispanic” vote is so important in the debate. What should matter is the American vote. Racialist identity politics is a horror.

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  88. I wonder if he still believes Mexicans do the jobs “even the blacks won’t do?”

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  89. Why is that different than being endorsed by Al Sharpton?

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  90. Usually, a trained monkey could win the GOP nomination and the presidency

    Are you suggesting that Mitt Romney was untrained? Because that is my assessment.

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  91. It’s too late for anybody to care about Duke’s endorsement. Calling people racists and guilt by association has been played out. You can thank Trump for finally killing it off.

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  92. Are you a child or grandchild of Jackson?

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  93. Beautifully said and dead right, NC. I made a quibcag from it here:
    LIbertarian Nationalist

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  94. There are a lot fo foreign accents that are pleasant to the ear. The Spanish accent we hear from the Telemundo termagent is really grating, along with her imperious attitude, presuming to lecture Americans on the basis of what is in the interest of foreigners. I also hate that la raza-signalling pronunciation of “Lateeno.” I much prefer Derbyshire’s anglicized version: “Latin – O.”

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  95. If this is supposed to be some kind of knock on Poland, there are plenty of worse places. In addition, Poland did likely save Europe at Vienna in 1683.

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  96. David Duke is a horror from strategic perspective. He hurt Trumps chances which means he hurt his own intrest has Trump is slightly changing the political discourse giving more room to soft white identity politics. Duke would not directly benefit but someone like identitarian Richard B. Spencer does benefit as he is much less radical. Secondly, I personally not like Duke, Spencer or any ethnic/racial nationalist as their views are a horror for domestic minorities. African-Americans are clearly a part of United States and people like Duke and Spencer reject their “right” to be a part of this country. Criticizing legal and illegal immigration is one thing but these people are just far out from any sane political thought. When say this I don’t endorse non-white identity politics (including Jewish) either. I think we should gather under a non-racialized citizenship.

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  97. You have effectively highlighted the problem.

    Any dirtbag BLM Sharpton la raza SWPL can back a leftie and it doesn’t matter, but if some version of this on the Alt Right backs a guy then that guy should withdraw from the race.

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  98. Yes, I denounce all racism including racism against whites.

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  99. Mitt Romney was a fool and that was why he lost against Obama.

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  100. I was just thinking that last night. Syncs up in Europe too. The 13th Generation is a Reactive Generation according to Strauss and Howe: practical, solve the problem, sacrifice now for the future of our kids…
    [Though Europe's post War generation had to rebuild and was toughened by the deprivation of the times, our Silent Generation was protected and soft -so the Japanese and German Silent Generation equivalents ate our lunch in the 70s and 80s...]
    Now the liberal Boomers and 68ers, on the verge of destroying the West together in a fit of their perpetually adolescent ,”I’d like to buy the world a Coke and I HATE my Daddy!” LSD flashback rage… are coming face to face with the Reaction: Gen X is staying quiet at work and pulling the levers for Trump

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  101. What makes you think the Republicans messed up Stevens, O’Connor,Kennedy, Souter, etc.?

    It makes more sense that it was on purpose.

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  102. So the right course of action for whites who are the only group not allowed to use racial identity politics is what?

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  103. Did I misspell it? Is it Polack or Pollack? See what happens with political correctness, everybody has forgotten their Polish jokes.

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  104. White working class voters are seeing Cruz and Rubio attacking Trump and thinking “these two nasty Mexicans are attacking our man Trump.”

    Seriously. The pundits have no idea how this stuff plays out in flyover land. Every blow the “Mexicans” Cruz and Rubio land will only lead to more pushback from white voters. Somehow, the chatterers have lost sight of the fact that the elite establishment types represent well under 10% of the GOP voter base.

    I don’t know who came up with the idea to make the GOP a Hispanic-issues party, but whoever did was either stupid or a very clever saboteur. Hell, even Mexican politicians are scared of Trump, because he got more votes from the people they shoved out of Mexico than their political equivalents Cruz and Rubio. Who would have thought that Mexicans who fled Mexico would prefer a guy who takes on the politicians who dispossessed them and forced them to leave their homeland?

    In the meanwhile, an unhinged Ross Douthat makes fairly explicit tweets about the benefits of assassinating Trump and that great humanitarian Jeff Bezos orders WaPo to write an editorial every other day about the need to stop Trump.

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  105. Trump said we’d be better off if Gadaffi and Saddam Hussein were still in power.

    Funny to hear a Republican say that.

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  106. Remember one of the earlier debates when ¡YEB! was standing up on his tip toes? Trump ridiculed him and ¡YEB! sank a little further.

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  107. Carson : “Would someone attack me please.”

    LOL.

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  108. Given that he used the word monkey he must’ve been referring to the Smirking Chimp.

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  109. The top line in that macro should read “Not everybody is a lawyer or a doctor “. The statement “Everybody isn’t a lawyer or doctor” is manifestly false. Obviously some people are lawyers or doctors.

    Let us promote blue collar work but let us also go back to teaching basic command of English in the primary and secondary schools.

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  110. This debate is harsh.

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  111. I’ve always hated McCain. I couldn’t vote for him even against Obama.

    Me too. (Well, I didn’t really hate him until his amnesty shilling and flat out nastiness against patriots.) But “me too” on the voting. First election in 32 years i couldn’t come up with a reason to vote for the lesser of two evils. Since we were supposed to vote for a black guy, i wrote in Thomas Sowell.

    But now there is someone to vote *for*. He may be a obnoxious occasionally vulgar windbag … but he’s actually on my side!

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  112. Why is Ben Carson even running?

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  113. A young Marco Rubio, full of hope, attending a Trump University seminar…carrying a copy of Art of the Deal…”Foam party tonight? I don’t know, Julio. I need to study this stuff!…..Oh.. ok!”

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  114. Admittedly, you don’t make much sense, but I get the drift. Duke gave an unsolicited endorsement to Trump. Therefore, Trump is unfit to be President and should withdraw so that Rubio can get the nomination because, even though he is playing Hispanic identity politics, Duke did not endorse him.

    How much is the RNC paying you to write this?

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  115. I voted for McCain. Should I have voted for Obama instead?

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  116. I have the perfect book for you:

    3. Shadows of the Pomegranate Tree by Tariq Ali

    Spain 1499. A novel set in a disappeared Arab world. In the final days of the Muslim kingdom of Andalus, Ali’s characters feel overwhelmed by encroaching Christian intolerance. He seems to mark it as the moment when the flowering of medieval Islamic culture shifted onto the stultifying road that leads to bin Laden, and when the west began the imperialistic, racist expansion that would converge so devastatingly with that path in the last decade.

    (A Guardian Top 10s column. Tariq Ali is an ageing, foppish, Pakistani aristo-Marxist who has lived in the London he despises for decades.)

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  117. Both Cruz and Rubio seem to be totally European by ancestry, FWIW.

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  118. Republican presidents have routinely made bone headed supreme court picks over the decades.

    I voted for W and all I got was this lousy obamacare.

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  119. I should have added that the idea that everyone should go to college supports one of the Big Lies that underpins liberalism, that men and women are identical. Since men and women are identical, job categories which men are happy to do but women can’t stand (i.e., practical blue collar work) can’t really exist. Or they shouldn’t exist, which is the point of making everyone go to college.

    The real problem are the trade agreements and immigration policies that have carved the middle right out of the American economy and have taken the heart right out of tens of millions of American men. Can Trump save us? I only hope it’s not too late, and that he can actually effect change.

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  120. Massimo, immigration is the number one issue. We could enact 90 percent tax rates and provide free health care like Canada on steroids. Both of which would be reversible when the country realizes the bill cannot be paid.

    But mass immigration is replacing the population. And sooner or later your nation will no longer be your nation. That’s why immigration, not just illegal BTW, should be the top priority.

    According to this, the smarter strategy would be to develop a high birth rate culture. If your demographic averages 6+ kids per couple no policy can stop you.

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  121. The White Death Issue comes up (by proxy):

    Hispanic Moderator: Why not a border fence with Canada? Terrorists can get in that way.
    Trump: Give me a break.
    Hispanic Moderator: It’s true! ISIS said they would use Canada –
    Trump: Excuse me. Excuse me.
    Hispanic Moderator: — to bring terrorists into the USA.
    Trump: No. We don’t have a big problem with Canada. We have a big problem with drugs, and it comes from Mexico. I won big in New Hampshire, a landslide. Do you know what the people said was their biggest problem up there? Beautiful state, I love the people. Do you know what they said? Heroin. Heroin is their biggest problem. Where does it come from? The Mexican cartels are shipping it in. We have to get serious.

    (Paraphrased)

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  122. He hurt Trumps chances which means he hurt his own intrest has Trump is slightly changing the political discourse giving more room to soft white identity politics.

    Except that David Duke was already promoting Trump back in August, and Trump said back then that he didn’t want David Duke’s endorsement. It doesn’t seem to have done too much damage so far.

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  123. I have 5!

    I wish everyone here would emulate me.

    Have a van full!

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  124. This is clearly not some hypothetical voluntary agreement of one country trading what it has with another country for what it has like in the economic textbooks.

    Even Mike Rowe and his crowd of skilled laborers are doing very well in the US. I know some workers get a raw deal, but ultimately our nation needs to make great stuff other people want and innovate faster than others can replicate. That actually does happen too.

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  125. No small irony that some of Trump’s biggest GOPe nags are complaining about Trump being impolite, insulting people, yelling etc. are radio bigmouths like Levin and Beck who themselves do little but impolitely yell at and scream louder than their callers.

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  126. Hardly anyone even knows who David Duke is and those few who do not care.
    By the way Tiny Dick, you should learn the difference between the two words “there” and “their.” It might help you seem at least marginally educated.

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  127. Rubio I don’t think so, but Cruz could be. Anyway, that isn’t what really matters. Most Americans aren’t so hung up about the distinction between mestizo/Indian and white as people think. For example, Russell Means probably would do surprisingly well as an insurgent Republican today if he were still alive.

    The point is that Rubio comes off as a privileged foreigner, and Cruz only a little bit less so. We’d be better off with an American Indian than a white Cuban or an Argentine like Pope Francis. But the Republican establishment is as contemptuous of ethnic Americans as the Democrat party. If they had their way, we would not have one single person representing us in the executive, legislative or judicial branch of the federal US government.

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  128. Tonight’s the night the GOP (along w/ morality, conscience, and faith) was saved.

    Rubio is killing Trump. It’s almost painful to watch.

    Rubio is going to mop up on Super Tuesday

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  129. mailman’s son angst

    Public Image Ltd – Rise

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  130. No. Six kids per couple would lead to a population explosion. We don’t need that. We have 320 million people today. Take out the post 1965 immigrants and their kids, and we have somewhere around 250 million. That is plenty. We had 140 million during WW2.

    Keep in mind 250 million today would put us at fourth place instead of our current position of third. And even with the 140 million of WW2, we would still be 10th most populous nation.

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  131. Yeah, but the vast number of unskilled people are not master craftsman. They are regular joes who can be trained to do a few things well and are heavily dependent on having a factory in this country like the Carrier guys who have seen their plant move to Mexico? What are these people going to do?

    I know some workers get a raw deal, but ultimately our nation needs to make great stuff other people want and innovate faster than others can replicate.

    What does this have to do with anything? There is plenty of innovation going on in the US. The US leads the world in medical technology and there are still plenty of unemployed ex-factory workers including ex-medical device workers as the factories are moved overseas. Are you trying to say if we don’t ship our jobs overseas the rest of the people left here won’t be able to innovate any more?

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  132. Hello, R.L.

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  133. They are interviewing Trump after the debate like they do with football players after the game.

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  134. TATTOOS SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Indeed. It’s another symptom of decline. Inability to even simply restrain yourself from marking yourself up in a manner ill-befitting civilized man–like some primitive who just ran out of the rainforest.

    As a normal healthy–but old–heterosexual, i find it particularly repulsive to see these young women–given by nature only this brief window to be objects of great beauty–who disfigure their natural beauty in this repulsive way.

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  135. Best of Joy Division – Joy Division

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  136. But our nation does innovate and make great stuff. The carrier air conditioners were designed here. The company is moving to save on labor. But the only reason they can do so is that they are able to import the finished AC units back to the USA free of charge.

    We have the world’s largest and most desirable market. Yet we give away access for nothing. That’s like having a great club and not charging a cover. Companies would be happy to pay a fee to get to our market. Or they would be happy to build assembly plants to avoid tariffs altogether. The Chinese know that.

    Not all nations have this privilege. If tiny Jamaica told car makers that they had to manufacture in Jamaica or not sell to that market, then they wouldn’t sell. But the US, along with China and a few others have a large enough market to make it worthwhile for others to locate here to avoid tariffs.

    But we give access away free of charge which is a terrible way to negotiate. I think Trump understands that he has those bargaining chips.

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  137. Rubio is playing Hispanic identity politics (which I don’t like) and I don’t support him. My point was when Trump is endorsed by KKK-leaders it reflects badly on Trump and could even destroy is chances to be elected. Identitarian Richard B. Spencer holds the same position as I do on publicly endorse Trump. If you want Trump to win people like Duke should not endorse him and call his thugs to take over his campaign. I personally hoped for Rand Paul but now when he is gone I prefer Trump before the other candidates as I agree with Trump on securing the border and his relative neutrality on the Israel-Palestinian conflict and slight non-interventionist policy. I also agree with Trump on his view on the current trade deals. However, I don’t agree with Trump on healthcare and I’m significantly more free market than him. On the Democratic side I’m carefully positive to Bernie Sanders. I don’t like white/black/Jewish/Asian nationalism because of philosophical reasons aside that my wife is African-American and our daughter is mixed.

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  138. Thank you for the book tip

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  139. David Duke recast as an agent provocateur puppet of the Zionists ??
    Say it aint so !!!!!!!!!!

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  140. According to this, the smarter strategy would be to develop a high birth rate culture. If your demographic averages 6+ kids per couple no policy can stop you.

    No, you’re just not getting it.

    It’s immigration. We don’t want to be *replaced*. We don’t want our culture to be replaced. We want to live in a white nation, with white traditions, values, mores. It’s not a question of outbreeding invaders–though that’s helpful when you’re invaded–we simply don’t want invaders, period.

    Furthermore, while it would be great to change the culture and get smart women to concentrate on family life and have your six kids, in order to have eugenic fertility, in terms of absolute numbers we don’t really want more people. It was a pleasant nation when i was born with less than 200m people. If TPTB hadn’t forced open the flood gates, we’d have peaked at and still be at around 250 million now. (Maybe a touch more because opening the flood gates and the “affordable family formation” suppression it engenders, is one of the fertility suppressors.) That would be more pleasant number. One of the benefits of being an American has always been the relative availability to afford a patch of dirt or enjoy the wide open spaces. And 250 is way, way more pleasant than the half a billion we’re headed toward before century’s end if we don’t shut the damn door.

    But the key point–we have the right and want to leave to the nation to *our* children and grandchildren.

    And as iSteveFan points out, that is the *only* issue that matters. All the random political b.s.–ex. “health care”–is not just secondary, but tertiary or beyond and is reversible. You screw it up you can–if you still own your nation–unscrew it. But with continued mass immigration America will no longer be America and the other issues wouldn’t matter even if you could still win on them politically–which in fact you won’t.

    Conservatives who aren’t single issue voters on immigration are just clueless fools. Long term nothing else matters in determining the sort of nation our children inherit.

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  141. Duke and his gang are going further and further and now is ADL and SPLC involved. This was not a problem in the beginning but these KKK people are getting more aggressive. They use Trump as a vessel to spree their hatred about people of color. This is very negative for Donald Trump because he is now forced to disavow them instead of talking politics. Why are not David Duke and these people arrested for hate crimes?

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  142. Only losers get assassinated.

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  143. Carson : “Would someone attack me please.”

    That had to be one the funniest lines in the debate. Kasich and Carson were mostly non-entities though.

    The shouting match between Trump, Cruz, and Marco Roboto was quite amusing too. Pretty ridiculous moment.

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  144. A certified lunatic like Glenn Beck didn’t help Cruz either.

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  145. Dysgenics and dysfunctional immigration.

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  146. You must be really disgusted with the racist Latina moderator tonight then.

    “I’m looking forward to having the candidates answering more specific questions about Hispanics, not as broad as when they’re asked by other media,” said Telemundo anchor María Celeste Arrarás

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  147. Can you tell us what racism is and why it’s so bad?

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  148. I agree, people are so sick of that, and because it has happened so much it has lost a lot of its power… And Trump doesn’t care or back down

    Also, check this out: I was lifting weights tonight and three Hispanics and an African-American walked in. They turned on the debate. One Hispanic shouted to turn it off, that Trump was a racist etc. To my astonishment, a debate broke out among these guys. The black guy and the most mestizo looking Hispanic like Trump and continued to watch the debate while on the treadmill!

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  149. The most disingenuous and worker-demeaning excuse purveyed by globalists is that American workers won’t do certain work. (God forbid paying them enough to accept the jobs.)

    How do y’all like hearing Trump trumpet this same lame-ass excuse?

    Now do you think there’s a chance in hell he would take on mass migration?

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  150. Now do you think there’s a chance in hell he would take on mass migration?

    At this point I will take slim chance to no chance.

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  151. That’s an interesting hypothesis, that Trump is getting the strongest support from GenX. Has polling via age range borne this out?

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  152. “But mass immigration is replacing the population. And sooner or later your nation will no longer be your nation. That’s why immigration, not just illegal BTW, should be the top priority.”

    I’ve become horrified by what I think is behind this, and you need to be more explicit. Women and non-white people hate white men and want their influence to be over! This is the culmination of the early women’s movement and the anti-slavery movement that were inextricably linked together in the early 18th century.

    Women and non-white people don’t think about what sustains the country – namely, white men who work and white men who start businesses and white men who have the vision to create great public works like great dams, highways, and yes even Medicare and Social Security. By getting rid of white men they are slitting their own throats and those of their children. But their hatred blinds them.

    What do they think they will wind up with when they finish importing people from every third world pest hole into the US, and systematically frustrating white men and boys in their growth and ambitions? Ah, but they don’t think. And they’re fatally jealous of those who do.

    Do we have a better hope than Trump?

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  154. In Austin where there are beautiful girls everywhere, I had a professor visiting from Scotland who turned to the class one day and sort of shouted “Why Tattoos!? Don’t people know that they are an ancient sign of slavery!?!?” Now when I see a tattoo I just say in my mind, “slave”

    He was reprimanded for speaking like that.

    I was bummed when the really hot Texan I had been pursuing showed me her tramp stamp on the second date. Ugh, so disappointing! Such a waste

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  155. I think there is too much focus on ethnicity although as an analytic perspective I see no problem using ethnicity or race. Hispanic identity politics is just as bad as white identity politics.

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  156. “After three decades of Republican spinmeisters mastering the art of negative campaigning, their relative reluctance in this cycle is strange.”

    The Republicans have been pikers compared to the Democrats when it comes to attack ads for most of the last thirty years. Lee Atwater had the knack for it, but he died a long time ago.

    I like attack ads. If the opponent won’t tell you what’s wrong with a candidate who will? There is an old saying I heard once: What’s the difference between an attack ad and a regular political ad? The attack ad has a fact in it.

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