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Google’s suggestions for “American scientists” are famously Woke, with blacks dominating the list. (Here are my speculations on the reasons behind this.)

On the other hand, the “rotten core” of the tech industry is evident in Google’s suggested pictures of “American computer scientists:”

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Maybe Sergey (#1) and Larry (#4) should resign in favor of People of Color.

(By the way, I knew #11 on Google’s list.)

 
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  1. Thomm says:

    Whites are underrepresented at Google. Only Asians are overrepresented.

    Of course, Asians don’t count as ‘diversity’.

    But the engineer at Google was (rightly) bashing the notion that women should be 50% of the engineers at Google. He was not commenting on race, but rather gender.

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    • Agree: Desiderius, Travis
    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    I have managed lots of different nationalities. I have had white, Indian, Chinese and Russian programmers working for me. But I had never had a black programmer until last job. I was quite surprised - I didn't think they existed. One of them never could write a line of code. He was well aware of his intellectual limitations. He had worked for s computer education company setting up the PCs for the students every night. The brain numb HR staff didn't know the difference and hired him as a programmer. I fired him gently and he understood. He had spent weeks sitting there looking at the screen and wondering what to do.

    The other black guy could program a little but had behavioral issues. For example he stayed up all night and came to work to sleep at his desk. He organized an orgy in the computer room. That required that he turn off all the servers. He was incredibly arrogant.

    I fired both of them (I fired several others too).

    Everyone I knew was desperate to hire Chinese IT personnel. We didn't pay well enough to get any Chinese. My first hire was Thai. He was so good it saved my job. I was controversial because I was eliminating so many positions. In those days all sorts of people were marketing themselves as programmers. The previous HR policy was to pick the best of the first three that walked through the door. That's why they had hired so many non-programmers. My policy was to ask just a few questions. The most illuminative was - "Define Third normal form". This simple question about database theory knocked out most of the pretenders.

    I interviewed 26 programmers before I found one who had an adequate answer. The Labor Department won't let me (or anyone else) make up a simple written test because such test eliminates black applicants like bubonic plague eliminates those who carry fleas. In a just society almost no black people will get to be programmers.
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  2. Google Inc. is the search engine subsidiary of Alphabet Inc.

    Google Inc.’s CEO is this guy, Sundar Pichai. But he doesn’t count towards diversity.

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    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    One look at this guy and I can't get the annoying Jeff Goldblum character from any of his movies out of my head.

    http://www.celebritycarsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/Jeff-Goldblum.jpg
  3. When I search for “American Computer Scientists”, John McCarthy’s student, Barbara Liskov, shows up at #11.

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  4. You knew John McCarthy? Was he a fan of your work?

    BTW, I am a Googler. A seven-month old Noogler, in fact. Huge loss of productivity for all of us, no doubt. There is so much misinformation and mischaracterization of the document and its author out there. But most of it’s been covered, so I won’t repeat. One thing perhaps worth noting: Indians are way overrepresented at the highest ranks. SJWs complain about “white men”. My reporting chain is me (white man) > Indian man > Chinese woman > Indian man > white man > Indian man > Indian man (CEO). But of course, that other white guy and I meet every now and then to plot how we’ll stick it to all those other inferiors.

    Another little story: Every Thursday, there’s a TGIF where Larry, Sergey, and Sundar hold a company wide all hands. At the beginning of TGIF a couple weeks ago, they showed a Youtube video decrying Trump’s tweets about barring transgendered people to serve in the military. Interestingly, there was almost no applause after the video ended. It was very awkward and Sergey was actually joking about the awkward silence.

    I think many, perhaps most employees quietly realize the insanity of the contemporary political/social situation, but are extremely well socialized to immediately suppress and hide any outward manifestation of such realization. It will simply gain you nothing to go against the religious fanatics who surround us. Indeed, I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I’m really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight. Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn’t seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business. Even in my Noogler training, it was barely mentioned. Hasn’t been mentioned since, except in a few random company-wide newsletters.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn’t seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business.
     
    Google is well-placed to offer the diversity cult something more valuable than NAM diversity at Google: an ideological thumb on the scale at YouTube, in search, the daily doodles, etc.
    , @reiner Tor

    Indeed, I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I’m really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight. Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn’t seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business.
     
    Indeed, I never thought the Auschwitz Sonderkommando was pushing anti-Semitism very hard at all and I’m really not sure why some Sonderkommando members even wanted to fight against the Nazis. Yes, anti-Semitism is incredibly harmful to Jews and they literally want to exterminate all Jews, but honestly, the Auschwitz Sonderkommando doesn’t seem to let all that anti-Semitic mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business. They don't kill the Jewish members of the Sonderkommando.
    , @Pericles

    they showed a Youtube video decrying Trump’s tweets about barring transgendered people to serve in the military. Interestingly, there was almost no applause after the video ended. It was very awkward and Sergey was actually joking about the awkward silence.

     

    Do I get a Wachowski brother vibe from this? Yes, perhaps I do.
    , @Matthew Kelly

    Indeed, I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I’m really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight.
     
    Your TGIF anecdote (not to mention the paragraph above that one) seems to contradict this, or am I misreading it?

    Interesting handle, btw. Simon's Rock and I go way back.

    , @jimbo
    For your sake, I hope you're not posting from work...
    , @Chrisnonymous

    My reporting chain is me (white man) > Indian man > Chinese woman > Indian man > white man > Indian man > Indian man (CEO).
     
    I hope you made that up. If not, Steve should delete it for you.
    , @Dr. X

    I think many, perhaps most employees quietly realize the insanity of the contemporary political/social situation, but are extremely well socialized to immediately suppress and hide any outward manifestation of such realization.
     
    That's exactly how things were in the Soviet Union.
    , @al-Gharaniq

    hate memo
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk
    , @Abe

    I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I’m really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight. Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn’t seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business.
     
    Yes, which is why I leave Google to the tender mercies of its SJW pets. The (alt-)right rushes to Silicon Valley's defense every time the latest diversity-inspired 2 Minute Hate breaks out, only to reap its contempt and indifference after things go back to normal (let us not forget that Mitt Romney, about the best the GOP will ever do in cultivating an intelligent, classy, non-Bible thumping candidate for President, was not even SECOND when it came to snagging Google employee campaign contributions in 2012).

    That Google doesn't suffer any day-to-day consequences from the politically correct BS it acquiesces to is the problem. Let them eat their own dog food, I say! More female 'engineers' tucked away in do-nothing sinecures where they can't do any real harm to the company's cash-cow products? Nuts to that! The alt-right should be demanding Facebook-level reparations that will take years to ungunk, just like how it took the Fortune 500 years to come up with all those diversicrat positions which affirmative action hires are now all funneled into ('Chief Diversity Officer- the source and solution to all our social justice problems'). Equal commit rights for those who identity as female! Code reviews embody toxic patriarchal notions of software 'quality'. In fact, Google needs to one-up Facebook. From now on, half of all algorithms used should be the invention of someone other than a white cishet male! I'm sure some melanin-enriched computer science PhD candidate has something wonderful up his sleeve. Bubble-butt sort, perhaps?

    , @Johnnygeo
    TGIF= ?
    Thank Google it's Friday?
    On a Thursday?
    , @Desiderius

    Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn’t seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business.
     
    God have mercy on your soul.
    , @Anonym
    A given person may not be interested in Google. Google may not be interested in the Googler as you suggest. But Google is interested in us.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/hubris-and-nemesis-googles-triumph-of-the-sjw-will/
    , @Cloudbuster
    I’m really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight

    You answer your own question a couple sentences earlier:

    I think many, perhaps most employees quietly realize the insanity of the contemporary political/social situation, but are extremely well socialized to immediately suppress and hide any outward manifestation of such realization.

    He wanted to fight the fight, because living in such an environment, where you have to suppress any "bad" thoughts, is corrosive to the soul.

    How do you think it would have been received if, after the YouTube video decrying Trump's tweets about barring transgendered people from the military, you'd cheered "Yeah! Way to go Trump!"?
  5. oneeyed says:

    God help us.

    Checkout “american mathematicians”.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Wow!
    But I'm tempted to think this is just an artifact... Does anyone who actually knows ANYTHING about mathematics and history do a search for "American mathematicians"? I could probably name 20 that I don't see there on the front page, and I have never been tempted to run such a search. I even met John Conway briefly!
    , @guest
    The search is obviously corrupted by the term "African-American," plus the fact that teachers give kids assignments like "write an essay on famous African-American [blanks]."

    There's also a Nation of Immigrants problem, in that people who happened to eventually become U.S. citizens are not only lumped in but put near the front of the line for their fame. Einstein and Godel, for instance.
    , @PiltdownMan
    Unbelievable. It's seriously messed up. Josiah Gibbs is at the bottom of the list at fifty something, and even George Birkhoff and Paul Halmos, ranking at twenty something, are below Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber. Josiah Gibbs, who developed vector analysis, is at the end of the suggestions list, ranked at fifty something.
    , @Anonymous
    Google "Germans"
    , @International Jew
    What, no John Urschel!?
  6. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @SimonsOtherRock
    You knew John McCarthy? Was he a fan of your work?

    BTW, I am a Googler. A seven-month old Noogler, in fact. Huge loss of productivity for all of us, no doubt. There is so much misinformation and mischaracterization of the document and its author out there. But most of it's been covered, so I won't repeat. One thing perhaps worth noting: Indians are way overrepresented at the highest ranks. SJWs complain about "white men". My reporting chain is me (white man) > Indian man > Chinese woman > Indian man > white man > Indian man > Indian man (CEO). But of course, that other white guy and I meet every now and then to plot how we'll stick it to all those other inferiors.

    Another little story: Every Thursday, there's a TGIF where Larry, Sergey, and Sundar hold a company wide all hands. At the beginning of TGIF a couple weeks ago, they showed a Youtube video decrying Trump's tweets about barring transgendered people to serve in the military. Interestingly, there was almost no applause after the video ended. It was very awkward and Sergey was actually joking about the awkward silence.

    I think many, perhaps most employees quietly realize the insanity of the contemporary political/social situation, but are extremely well socialized to immediately suppress and hide any outward manifestation of such realization. It will simply gain you nothing to go against the religious fanatics who surround us. Indeed, I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I'm really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight. Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn't seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business. Even in my Noogler training, it was barely mentioned. Hasn't been mentioned since, except in a few random company-wide newsletters.

    Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn’t seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business.

    Google is well-placed to offer the diversity cult something more valuable than NAM diversity at Google: an ideological thumb on the scale at YouTube, in search, the daily doodles, etc.

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    • Agree: ATX Hipster
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Exactly. Google is a useful tool of anti-white propaganda, in fact, one of the main pillars of the anti-white power structure.
  7. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @oneeyed
    God help us.

    Checkout "american mathematicians".

    Wow!
    But I’m tempted to think this is just an artifact… Does anyone who actually knows ANYTHING about mathematics and history do a search for “American mathematicians”? I could probably name 20 that I don’t see there on the front page, and I have never been tempted to run such a search. I even met John Conway briefly!

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    • Replies: @Graham
    John Conway is English. You might have noticed this when you met him, but perhaps his accent has gone more American lately.
  8. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I suspect that Larry and Sergey know perfectly well that this is BS, but they also know that it helps increase profit. Moreover, they know that doing anything to “correct” these results will bring bad publicity. Trump should call them more often. Why not invite them to a weekend outing? Trump is a flawed guy, for sure, but… aren’t we all?

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    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    When a company is making its way to the top of the market, PC considerations are well down on the must-have list. But when their success has been as huge as Google's, they're in politics whether they like it or not. And I think they probably do like it.

    Their near-monopoly gives them remarkable amounts of information about us - more than any Stalin could have had, and all without a stoolpigeon in every workplace and office block. Knowledge is power.
    , @International Jew
    If Sergey's parents are anything like mine (university-educated Russian Jews born in the 1930s) then they've already filled him in on the striking similarities between how political orthodoxy is enforced in America today, and how it was enforced in the USSR (post-Stalin of course).
  9. @SimonsOtherRock
    You knew John McCarthy? Was he a fan of your work?

    BTW, I am a Googler. A seven-month old Noogler, in fact. Huge loss of productivity for all of us, no doubt. There is so much misinformation and mischaracterization of the document and its author out there. But most of it's been covered, so I won't repeat. One thing perhaps worth noting: Indians are way overrepresented at the highest ranks. SJWs complain about "white men". My reporting chain is me (white man) > Indian man > Chinese woman > Indian man > white man > Indian man > Indian man (CEO). But of course, that other white guy and I meet every now and then to plot how we'll stick it to all those other inferiors.

    Another little story: Every Thursday, there's a TGIF where Larry, Sergey, and Sundar hold a company wide all hands. At the beginning of TGIF a couple weeks ago, they showed a Youtube video decrying Trump's tweets about barring transgendered people to serve in the military. Interestingly, there was almost no applause after the video ended. It was very awkward and Sergey was actually joking about the awkward silence.

    I think many, perhaps most employees quietly realize the insanity of the contemporary political/social situation, but are extremely well socialized to immediately suppress and hide any outward manifestation of such realization. It will simply gain you nothing to go against the religious fanatics who surround us. Indeed, I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I'm really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight. Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn't seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business. Even in my Noogler training, it was barely mentioned. Hasn't been mentioned since, except in a few random company-wide newsletters.

    Indeed, I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I’m really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight. Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn’t seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business.

    Indeed, I never thought the Auschwitz Sonderkommando was pushing anti-Semitism very hard at all and I’m really not sure why some Sonderkommando members even wanted to fight against the Nazis. Yes, anti-Semitism is incredibly harmful to Jews and they literally want to exterminate all Jews, but honestly, the Auschwitz Sonderkommando doesn’t seem to let all that anti-Semitic mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business. They don’t kill the Jewish members of the Sonderkommando.

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    • Replies: @JackOH
    reiner Tor, you nailed it buddy, i. e., the equivocation and excuse-making we pretty much all engage in when confronted by odious ideas delivered by the folks who sign our paychecks.

    Here's a comment of mine from a day ago that, I think, reinforces your point:

    "An occasional thought experiment of mine is to imagine a questionable American policy as though the same policy were implemented under other regimes, such as Hitlerite National Socialism, Stalinist Bolshevism and other iterations of Marxism, and so on."
    , @bomag
    LOL and agree.
  10. guest says:
    @oneeyed
    God help us.

    Checkout "american mathematicians".

    The search is obviously corrupted by the term “African-American,” plus the fact that teachers give kids assignments like “write an essay on famous African-American [blanks].”

    There’s also a Nation of Immigrants problem, in that people who happened to eventually become U.S. citizens are not only lumped in but put near the front of the line for their fame. Einstein and Godel, for instance.

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    • Replies: @Yak-15
    I will have my child write about Elon Musk when this prompt comes up.
  11. @oneeyed
    God help us.

    Checkout "american mathematicians".

    Unbelievable. It’s seriously messed up. Josiah Gibbs is at the bottom of the list at fifty something, and even George Birkhoff and Paul Halmos, ranking at twenty something, are below Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber. Josiah Gibbs, who developed vector analysis, is at the end of the suggestions list, ranked at fifty something.

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    • Replies: @Charlie_U

    Josiah Gibbs is at the bottom of the list...
     
    If only he'd been called Josiah Gibsmedat.

    :-D
    , @Anon
    Somebody who's a mathematician needs to create a list and post it online just to the show the non-mathematicians who's important in the history of the field, because the non-mathematicians have no clue who the important people are. This weakness means the ignorant become easy to swindle with PC nonsense and other propoganda.

    To create truth, you have to put truth out there. The PC crowd understands this, which is why they're constantly churning out a wall of lying propoganda in their attempt to rewrite history. The Alt-Right hasn't really figured out that to counter this, they have to start laying out the truth for the public themselves.
    , @turtle
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah_Willard_Gibbs

    In 1863, Yale awarded Gibbs the first American doctorate in engineering. After a three-year sojourn in Europe, Gibbs spent the rest of his career at Yale, where he was professor of mathematical physics from 1871 until his death. Working in relative isolation, he became the earliest theoretical scientist in the United States to earn an international reputation and was praised by Albert Einstein as "the greatest mind in American history".[2] In 1901, Gibbs received what was then considered the highest honor awarded by the international scientific community, the Copley Medal of the Royal Society of London,[2] "for his contributions to mathematical physics".
  12. @Dave Pinsen

    Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn’t seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business.
     
    Google is well-placed to offer the diversity cult something more valuable than NAM diversity at Google: an ideological thumb on the scale at YouTube, in search, the daily doodles, etc.

    Exactly. Google is a useful tool of anti-white propaganda, in fact, one of the main pillars of the anti-white power structure.

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    • Replies: @Tim Howells
    I stopped using Google several months ago when it became increasingly obvious that they were skewing their search results on politically sensitive subjects. I had to try that "american mathematicians" search though. LOL! It's like a trip to an alternative universe in an old Twilight Zone episode.
  13. kihowi says:

    I wonder if the Google people whose job it is to try and think of search queries that return politically unfavorable results and then manually compile their own list to be shown instead, feel a little sleazy and unclean afterwards.

    I would. Maybe that’s a very goy-centric way of viewing the world.

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    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    Do you have a reference article on this? It's hard to Google one, as you might imagine.
    , @Jack D
    As others have pointed out, it's not clear that the results are really being manipulated but are rather artifacts of kids searching for report topics for Black History Month (although one does wonder why they don't fix them to make sense).

    However, in the case of the Google Doodles, these clearly tend to highlight SJW type topics. However, those composing the Doodles think that they are doing God's work and don't feel one bit guilty.
    , @sabril

    feel a little sleazy and unclean afterwards.

    I would. Maybe that’s a very goy-centric way of viewing the world.
     
    I imagine that they feel very smug, superior, and self-satisfied. Kind of like how you feel in relation to Jews.
  14. JackOH says:
    @reiner Tor

    Indeed, I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I’m really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight. Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn’t seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business.
     
    Indeed, I never thought the Auschwitz Sonderkommando was pushing anti-Semitism very hard at all and I’m really not sure why some Sonderkommando members even wanted to fight against the Nazis. Yes, anti-Semitism is incredibly harmful to Jews and they literally want to exterminate all Jews, but honestly, the Auschwitz Sonderkommando doesn’t seem to let all that anti-Semitic mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business. They don't kill the Jewish members of the Sonderkommando.

    reiner Tor, you nailed it buddy, i. e., the equivocation and excuse-making we pretty much all engage in when confronted by odious ideas delivered by the folks who sign our paychecks.

    Here’s a comment of mine from a day ago that, I think, reinforces your point:

    “An occasional thought experiment of mine is to imagine a questionable American policy as though the same policy were implemented under other regimes, such as Hitlerite National Socialism, Stalinist Bolshevism and other iterations of Marxism, and so on.”

    Read More
  15. Pericles says:
    @SimonsOtherRock
    You knew John McCarthy? Was he a fan of your work?

    BTW, I am a Googler. A seven-month old Noogler, in fact. Huge loss of productivity for all of us, no doubt. There is so much misinformation and mischaracterization of the document and its author out there. But most of it's been covered, so I won't repeat. One thing perhaps worth noting: Indians are way overrepresented at the highest ranks. SJWs complain about "white men". My reporting chain is me (white man) > Indian man > Chinese woman > Indian man > white man > Indian man > Indian man (CEO). But of course, that other white guy and I meet every now and then to plot how we'll stick it to all those other inferiors.

    Another little story: Every Thursday, there's a TGIF where Larry, Sergey, and Sundar hold a company wide all hands. At the beginning of TGIF a couple weeks ago, they showed a Youtube video decrying Trump's tweets about barring transgendered people to serve in the military. Interestingly, there was almost no applause after the video ended. It was very awkward and Sergey was actually joking about the awkward silence.

    I think many, perhaps most employees quietly realize the insanity of the contemporary political/social situation, but are extremely well socialized to immediately suppress and hide any outward manifestation of such realization. It will simply gain you nothing to go against the religious fanatics who surround us. Indeed, I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I'm really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight. Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn't seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business. Even in my Noogler training, it was barely mentioned. Hasn't been mentioned since, except in a few random company-wide newsletters.

    they showed a Youtube video decrying Trump’s tweets about barring transgendered people to serve in the military. Interestingly, there was almost no applause after the video ended. It was very awkward and Sergey was actually joking about the awkward silence.

    Do I get a Wachowski brother vibe from this? Yes, perhaps I do.

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    • Replies: @Anonym
    Do I get a Wachowski brother vibe from this? Yes, perhaps I do.

    Brin is attracted to women at least, this we know.

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x13zj4c

    In other news, Amanda Rosenberg is now depressed.
  16. sabril says:

    I just image searched American Scientists on Bing; 20 of the 21 top results were black people. Results on Duckduckgo were similar.

    So perhaps it’s not Google manipulation so much as a reflection of rampant political correctness.

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    • Replies: @bomag

    I just image searched American Scientists on Bing; 20 of the 21 top results were black people.
     
    A straight "american scientists" on Bing returned 6 of the top 20 as black.

    Searching images on both Bing and Goolge for "black american scientists" returned 100% black; searching for "white american scientists", or "caucasian american scientists" returned 90% black.

    There seems to be a bit of thumb on scale to have black = american; and to have "white" scrubbed as a search term regarding people.

    , @anonymous
    Search results often seem like manipulated pari-mutuel betting to drive up or down odds, or salting the mine to induce speculators, or having a thumb on the scale. You get the drift.

    In other words, they can be whatever someone with enough juice decides they want them to be. Truth disappeared only to be replaced by 'truth' and then by "truth".

    Sic transit gloria mundi.
    , @International Jew
    If you want Google to return a gallery of white American scientists, then search for "Jewish scientists". Ditto "Jewish mathematicians." Seriously. Try it.

    I'm sure even the "Jewish scientists" search would return mostly Africans, if there'd ever been any even remotely plausible ones.

  17. @SimonsOtherRock
    You knew John McCarthy? Was he a fan of your work?

    BTW, I am a Googler. A seven-month old Noogler, in fact. Huge loss of productivity for all of us, no doubt. There is so much misinformation and mischaracterization of the document and its author out there. But most of it's been covered, so I won't repeat. One thing perhaps worth noting: Indians are way overrepresented at the highest ranks. SJWs complain about "white men". My reporting chain is me (white man) > Indian man > Chinese woman > Indian man > white man > Indian man > Indian man (CEO). But of course, that other white guy and I meet every now and then to plot how we'll stick it to all those other inferiors.

    Another little story: Every Thursday, there's a TGIF where Larry, Sergey, and Sundar hold a company wide all hands. At the beginning of TGIF a couple weeks ago, they showed a Youtube video decrying Trump's tweets about barring transgendered people to serve in the military. Interestingly, there was almost no applause after the video ended. It was very awkward and Sergey was actually joking about the awkward silence.

    I think many, perhaps most employees quietly realize the insanity of the contemporary political/social situation, but are extremely well socialized to immediately suppress and hide any outward manifestation of such realization. It will simply gain you nothing to go against the religious fanatics who surround us. Indeed, I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I'm really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight. Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn't seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business. Even in my Noogler training, it was barely mentioned. Hasn't been mentioned since, except in a few random company-wide newsletters.

    Indeed, I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I’m really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight.

    Your TGIF anecdote (not to mention the paragraph above that one) seems to contradict this, or am I misreading it?

    Interesting handle, btw. Simon’s Rock and I go way back.

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  18. Somedude2 says:

    The “American computer scientists” list is surprisingly reasonable. It does stretch the concept of “computer science” to cover computer engineering and software development, not just theoretical computer science per se. But just about everyone on it, male and female, really did make significant contributions.

    Anita Borg is the only woman who appears to have been included just for SJW reasons.

    I’m a little surprised they didn’t include Edgar Codd (relational databases).

    Bonus iSteve points: One of the eight women on the list, chip-design researcher Lynn Conway, is transgender.

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  19. Yak-15 says:
    @guest
    The search is obviously corrupted by the term "African-American," plus the fact that teachers give kids assignments like "write an essay on famous African-American [blanks]."

    There's also a Nation of Immigrants problem, in that people who happened to eventually become U.S. citizens are not only lumped in but put near the front of the line for their fame. Einstein and Godel, for instance.

    I will have my child write about Elon Musk when this prompt comes up.

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  20. bomag says:
    @reiner Tor

    Indeed, I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I’m really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight. Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn’t seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business.
     
    Indeed, I never thought the Auschwitz Sonderkommando was pushing anti-Semitism very hard at all and I’m really not sure why some Sonderkommando members even wanted to fight against the Nazis. Yes, anti-Semitism is incredibly harmful to Jews and they literally want to exterminate all Jews, but honestly, the Auschwitz Sonderkommando doesn’t seem to let all that anti-Semitic mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business. They don't kill the Jewish members of the Sonderkommando.

    LOL and agree.

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  21. dearieme says:

    I’m amused by the Einstein entry. The German/Swiss Einstein was the second greatest mathematical physicist ever, a yuge, yuge figure. The American Einstein was a post-scientist.

    The other white males are the Italian Fermi and the engineer Edison.

    I’ve no idea who the Persons of Hue are.

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    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The German/Swiss Einstein was the second greatest mathematical physicist ever, a yuge, yuge figure.
     
    And who was the greatest mathematical physicist ever?
  22. bomag says:
    @sabril
    I just image searched American Scientists on Bing; 20 of the 21 top results were black people. Results on Duckduckgo were similar.

    So perhaps it's not Google manipulation so much as a reflection of rampant political correctness.

    I just image searched American Scientists on Bing; 20 of the 21 top results were black people.

    A straight “american scientists” on Bing returned 6 of the top 20 as black.

    Searching images on both Bing and Goolge for “black american scientists” returned 100% black; searching for “white american scientists”, or “caucasian american scientists” returned 90% black.

    There seems to be a bit of thumb on scale to have black = american; and to have “white” scrubbed as a search term regarding people.

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  23. Larger, and way more fundamental point:America post-1965 should have remained labor self -sufficient. And this of course, would have had the wonderfull demographic consequence that America 2o17=90 percent Native Born White American….and California 2017=92 percent Native Born White American.

    I mean like, who would be opposed to this? The Chinese in China?…The Hindus in India?…Robert Reich?….Noam Chomsky?…Chuck Schummer?…Paul Ryan?

    The moral of the story:A very severe labor scarcity must never be used as an excuse to race-replace The Historic Native Born White American Majority….For there is no economic case for post-1965 race-replacement legal immigration policy.

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  24. @reiner Tor
    Exactly. Google is a useful tool of anti-white propaganda, in fact, one of the main pillars of the anti-white power structure.

    I stopped using Google several months ago when it became increasingly obvious that they were skewing their search results on politically sensitive subjects. I had to try that “american mathematicians” search though. LOL! It’s like a trip to an alternative universe in an old Twilight Zone episode.

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  25. GOOGLE must be destroyed. Patriot Americans must remove the anti-White goons who control GOOGLE from power. After GOOGLE has been destroyed, a new group of Patriots could cook up their own computer search system to not only broadcast a more pro-White message, but also to raise money for the Patriot side as well.

    The spoils system must extended beyond government employment to the corporate sphere, too. American Patriots would love to grab some of that easy cash the GOOGLE gets.

    It makes no sense to continue to allow blatantly anti-White crooks such as Comcast or GOOGLE to attack Whites while profiting. Patriot Americans have to identify and targetize all corporations that engage in anti-White activities. After a corporation such as GOOGLE is identified as being anti-White, they must be targetized for extermination.

    Andrew Jackson would have recognized that GOOGLE was trying to kill White America. Andrew Jackson would have responded to GOOGLE’s anti-White actions with extreme measures guaranteed to stop GOOGLE.

    GOOGLE is trying to kill us, but we shall kill it.

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  26. Arclight says:

    This reminds me of a bit in the movie “Undercover Brother” in which the main character was expounding on the greatness of black people and yelled that “George Washington Carver made the first computer! Out of a peanut!”

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  27. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @oneeyed
    God help us.

    Checkout "american mathematicians".

    Google “Germans”

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Done: I got some black guys, some Muslims, some Nazis, and quite a few busty young women in dirndls.
  28. jimbo says:
    @SimonsOtherRock
    You knew John McCarthy? Was he a fan of your work?

    BTW, I am a Googler. A seven-month old Noogler, in fact. Huge loss of productivity for all of us, no doubt. There is so much misinformation and mischaracterization of the document and its author out there. But most of it's been covered, so I won't repeat. One thing perhaps worth noting: Indians are way overrepresented at the highest ranks. SJWs complain about "white men". My reporting chain is me (white man) > Indian man > Chinese woman > Indian man > white man > Indian man > Indian man (CEO). But of course, that other white guy and I meet every now and then to plot how we'll stick it to all those other inferiors.

    Another little story: Every Thursday, there's a TGIF where Larry, Sergey, and Sundar hold a company wide all hands. At the beginning of TGIF a couple weeks ago, they showed a Youtube video decrying Trump's tweets about barring transgendered people to serve in the military. Interestingly, there was almost no applause after the video ended. It was very awkward and Sergey was actually joking about the awkward silence.

    I think many, perhaps most employees quietly realize the insanity of the contemporary political/social situation, but are extremely well socialized to immediately suppress and hide any outward manifestation of such realization. It will simply gain you nothing to go against the religious fanatics who surround us. Indeed, I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I'm really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight. Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn't seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business. Even in my Noogler training, it was barely mentioned. Hasn't been mentioned since, except in a few random company-wide newsletters.

    For your sake, I hope you’re not posting from work…

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  29. Consistent with Steve’s proposed explanation, if you search for “U.S. scientists,” you get results a lot closer to what a normal person would expect.

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  30. @SimonsOtherRock
    You knew John McCarthy? Was he a fan of your work?

    BTW, I am a Googler. A seven-month old Noogler, in fact. Huge loss of productivity for all of us, no doubt. There is so much misinformation and mischaracterization of the document and its author out there. But most of it's been covered, so I won't repeat. One thing perhaps worth noting: Indians are way overrepresented at the highest ranks. SJWs complain about "white men". My reporting chain is me (white man) > Indian man > Chinese woman > Indian man > white man > Indian man > Indian man (CEO). But of course, that other white guy and I meet every now and then to plot how we'll stick it to all those other inferiors.

    Another little story: Every Thursday, there's a TGIF where Larry, Sergey, and Sundar hold a company wide all hands. At the beginning of TGIF a couple weeks ago, they showed a Youtube video decrying Trump's tweets about barring transgendered people to serve in the military. Interestingly, there was almost no applause after the video ended. It was very awkward and Sergey was actually joking about the awkward silence.

    I think many, perhaps most employees quietly realize the insanity of the contemporary political/social situation, but are extremely well socialized to immediately suppress and hide any outward manifestation of such realization. It will simply gain you nothing to go against the religious fanatics who surround us. Indeed, I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I'm really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight. Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn't seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business. Even in my Noogler training, it was barely mentioned. Hasn't been mentioned since, except in a few random company-wide newsletters.

    My reporting chain is me (white man) > Indian man > Chinese woman > Indian man > white man > Indian man > Indian man (CEO).

    I hope you made that up. If not, Steve should delete it for you.

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Pffffft. This scenario describes a good fifty thousand of us in Silly Valley, and easily five thousand people at Google, Inc.
    , @ATX Hipster
    It's not identifying. Every Googler's reporting chain looks more or less like that.
  31. I google-searched “top american scientists of all time” and the results were more representative of what I call reality.
    But, when I searched for “white men American scientists” no pictures of any European-descended men appears. Type in “Jewish American scientists” and a panoply of famous names appears.

    Perhaps Kevin MacDonald has infiltrated google algorithm teams to skew the results to support his arguments and book sales.

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  32. Dr. X says:
    @SimonsOtherRock
    You knew John McCarthy? Was he a fan of your work?

    BTW, I am a Googler. A seven-month old Noogler, in fact. Huge loss of productivity for all of us, no doubt. There is so much misinformation and mischaracterization of the document and its author out there. But most of it's been covered, so I won't repeat. One thing perhaps worth noting: Indians are way overrepresented at the highest ranks. SJWs complain about "white men". My reporting chain is me (white man) > Indian man > Chinese woman > Indian man > white man > Indian man > Indian man (CEO). But of course, that other white guy and I meet every now and then to plot how we'll stick it to all those other inferiors.

    Another little story: Every Thursday, there's a TGIF where Larry, Sergey, and Sundar hold a company wide all hands. At the beginning of TGIF a couple weeks ago, they showed a Youtube video decrying Trump's tweets about barring transgendered people to serve in the military. Interestingly, there was almost no applause after the video ended. It was very awkward and Sergey was actually joking about the awkward silence.

    I think many, perhaps most employees quietly realize the insanity of the contemporary political/social situation, but are extremely well socialized to immediately suppress and hide any outward manifestation of such realization. It will simply gain you nothing to go against the religious fanatics who surround us. Indeed, I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I'm really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight. Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn't seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business. Even in my Noogler training, it was barely mentioned. Hasn't been mentioned since, except in a few random company-wide newsletters.

    I think many, perhaps most employees quietly realize the insanity of the contemporary political/social situation, but are extremely well socialized to immediately suppress and hide any outward manifestation of such realization.

    That’s exactly how things were in the Soviet Union.

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    • Replies: @Clark Westwood

    That’s exactly how things were in the Soviet Union.
     
    You've reminded me of an article I read some years ago by an American lawyer who was part of a team sent to Russia to help Soviet-trained lawyers adapt themselves to their new, aspirationally Western legal system. One particularly striking observation by the author was that the Soviet-trained lawyers needed to learn how to use logic in their arguments.
  33. @PiltdownMan
    Google Inc. is the search engine subsidiary of Alphabet Inc.

    Google Inc.'s CEO is this guy, Sundar Pichai. But he doesn't count towards diversity.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/864282616597405701/M-FEJMZ0_400x400.jpg

    One look at this guy and I can’t get the annoying Jeff Goldblum character from any of his movies out of my head.

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    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    One look at this guy and I can’t get the annoying Jeff Goldblum character from any of his movies out of my head.
     
    Now that you mention it, the resemblance is striking. Even more so in this picture.

    https://tribzap2it.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/jeff-goldblum-gi.jpg?w=900
  34. res says:

    Google’s suggestions for “American scientists” are famously Woke, with blacks dominating the list. (Here are my speculations on the reasons behind this.)

    We talked about this in the comments two weeks ago. See John Nevelten’s comment: http://www.unz.com/isteve/africans-vs-african-americans-in-minneapolis/#comment-1946582
    and my response: http://www.unz.com/isteve/africans-vs-african-americans-in-minneapolis/#comment-1947025

    This five year comparison from Google trends looks like definitive evidence for the following two conclusions:
    1. The “[African] American Inventors” effect is caused by a preponderance of searches for “African American Inventors” vs. “American Inventors”.
    2. This is primarily caused by black history month.
    Note the spike for only “American Inventors” around the time last year you posted about this.

    We see a similar effect for scientists. Although I am intrigued by the year round baseline for AS being higher than for AI: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=american%20scientists,african%20american%20scientists

    “Computer scientists” does not show this effect. Hardly anyone searches for either version: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=american%20computer%20scientists,african%20american%20computer%20scientists

    “Mathematicians” does show the Black History Month effect though: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=american%20mathematicians,african%20american%20mathematicians

    So as Woke as Google might be it looks like they are just following the data in these cases.

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    • Replies: @sabril
    I pretty much agree. If you search for "famous" "scientists" or "famous" "inventors", the images are mostly of white people. If Google were cooking the books, you wouldn't expect this.

    Of course I agree that non-white and non-male scientists and inventors get attention and acclaim wildly disproportionate to their actual contributions.
  35. Gaiseric says:

    As Aeoli Pera said at VD’s “If you eat the white man’s history, you get his magic.”

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  36. @SimonsOtherRock
    You knew John McCarthy? Was he a fan of your work?

    BTW, I am a Googler. A seven-month old Noogler, in fact. Huge loss of productivity for all of us, no doubt. There is so much misinformation and mischaracterization of the document and its author out there. But most of it's been covered, so I won't repeat. One thing perhaps worth noting: Indians are way overrepresented at the highest ranks. SJWs complain about "white men". My reporting chain is me (white man) > Indian man > Chinese woman > Indian man > white man > Indian man > Indian man (CEO). But of course, that other white guy and I meet every now and then to plot how we'll stick it to all those other inferiors.

    Another little story: Every Thursday, there's a TGIF where Larry, Sergey, and Sundar hold a company wide all hands. At the beginning of TGIF a couple weeks ago, they showed a Youtube video decrying Trump's tweets about barring transgendered people to serve in the military. Interestingly, there was almost no applause after the video ended. It was very awkward and Sergey was actually joking about the awkward silence.

    I think many, perhaps most employees quietly realize the insanity of the contemporary political/social situation, but are extremely well socialized to immediately suppress and hide any outward manifestation of such realization. It will simply gain you nothing to go against the religious fanatics who surround us. Indeed, I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I'm really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight. Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn't seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business. Even in my Noogler training, it was barely mentioned. Hasn't been mentioned since, except in a few random company-wide newsletters.

    hate memo

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  37. @kihowi
    I wonder if the Google people whose job it is to try and think of search queries that return politically unfavorable results and then manually compile their own list to be shown instead, feel a little sleazy and unclean afterwards.

    I would. Maybe that's a very goy-centric way of viewing the world.

    Do you have a reference article on this? It’s hard to Google one, as you might imagine.

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  38. Abe says: • Website
    @SimonsOtherRock
    You knew John McCarthy? Was he a fan of your work?

    BTW, I am a Googler. A seven-month old Noogler, in fact. Huge loss of productivity for all of us, no doubt. There is so much misinformation and mischaracterization of the document and its author out there. But most of it's been covered, so I won't repeat. One thing perhaps worth noting: Indians are way overrepresented at the highest ranks. SJWs complain about "white men". My reporting chain is me (white man) > Indian man > Chinese woman > Indian man > white man > Indian man > Indian man (CEO). But of course, that other white guy and I meet every now and then to plot how we'll stick it to all those other inferiors.

    Another little story: Every Thursday, there's a TGIF where Larry, Sergey, and Sundar hold a company wide all hands. At the beginning of TGIF a couple weeks ago, they showed a Youtube video decrying Trump's tweets about barring transgendered people to serve in the military. Interestingly, there was almost no applause after the video ended. It was very awkward and Sergey was actually joking about the awkward silence.

    I think many, perhaps most employees quietly realize the insanity of the contemporary political/social situation, but are extremely well socialized to immediately suppress and hide any outward manifestation of such realization. It will simply gain you nothing to go against the religious fanatics who surround us. Indeed, I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I'm really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight. Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn't seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business. Even in my Noogler training, it was barely mentioned. Hasn't been mentioned since, except in a few random company-wide newsletters.

    I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I’m really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight. Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn’t seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business.

    Yes, which is why I leave Google to the tender mercies of its SJW pets. The (alt-)right rushes to Silicon Valley’s defense every time the latest diversity-inspired 2 Minute Hate breaks out, only to reap its contempt and indifference after things go back to normal (let us not forget that Mitt Romney, about the best the GOP will ever do in cultivating an intelligent, classy, non-Bible thumping candidate for President, was not even SECOND when it came to snagging Google employee campaign contributions in 2012).

    That Google doesn’t suffer any day-to-day consequences from the politically correct BS it acquiesces to is the problem. Let them eat their own dog food, I say! More female ‘engineers’ tucked away in do-nothing sinecures where they can’t do any real harm to the company’s cash-cow products? Nuts to that! The alt-right should be demanding Facebook-level reparations that will take years to ungunk, just like how it took the Fortune 500 years to come up with all those diversicrat positions which affirmative action hires are now all funneled into (‘Chief Diversity Officer- the source and solution to all our social justice problems’). Equal commit rights for those who identity as female! Code reviews embody toxic patriarchal notions of software ‘quality’. In fact, Google needs to one-up Facebook. From now on, half of all algorithms used should be the invention of someone other than a white cishet male! I’m sure some melanin-enriched computer science PhD candidate has something wonderful up his sleeve. Bubble-butt sort, perhaps?

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    • Replies: @Jack D

    From now on, half of all algorithms used should be the invention of someone other than a white cishet male!
     
    You are setting the bar way way too low. Far fewer than half the people on earth (and Google after all is a global company) are white cishet males. From now on, only five percent of Google algorithms should have white cishet male authors. Also for this purpose (only) we consider Asians to be honorary whites so they don't count toward the 5%. Also, I for one am sick of those faux brothers who are 90% white pretending to be black . They might as well be Rachel Dolezal what with their Jewish tiger mamas and all those Bajan Rihanna look alikes . From now on, until we achieve that 95% minority goal, Google only recruits from the ghetto and if you mama ain't on welfare and you can't flunk the paper bag test, you ain't really black.

    http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/on-saturday-march-5-at-the-warner-theater-honoree-eric-news-photo/526033166#on-saturday-march-5-at-the-warner-theater-honoree-eric-himpton-holder-picture-id526033166

    BET honors my ass - can't they find some real brothers?

    The right needs to work from the Alinsky playbook. One of the Alinsky rules is "make the other side live up to their rules."
    , @Alfa158
    "The (alt-)right rushes to Silicon Valley’s defense every time the latest diversity-inspired 2 Minute Hate breaks out,"
    That would be the cuck-right. The alt-right understands that the people who run the Silicon Valley internet centric companies are run by their enemies, and would not cross the street to piss on one of them if they were on fire.
    , @Rod1963

    The (alt-)right rushes to Silicon Valley’s defense every time the latest diversity-inspired 2 Minute Hate breaks out, only to reap its contempt and indifference after things go back to normal
     
    Nope, that would be your traditional GOP whore/politician. Most of us are well aware of the contempt and outright hate those Silicon Valley execs have towards white Americans and traditional values. So much so they actively work to support open borders, demographic replacement of whites, etc.

    I'd feed them to hungry hogs if given the chance.
    , @anonn
    Why on earth would Google employees or any other Silicon Valley workers align with the Romney wing of the Republican party? These workers have made their bosses hundreds of billions of paper profits and the Romneys of the world promise unlimited immigration in return. "Vote for me, I'll make sure you never get a cut of the profits, and ensure that you're penniless, uninsured, and unemployed by the age of 35!" just isn't very compelling.

    The Republicans seem to have concluded that the bible-thumpers are the more useful bloc. Certainly they are admirably distributed and they vote, whereas any coastal tech workers who switched would be useless electorally.
    , @snorlax
    The problem with that is letting the SJWs have their way in the tech industry doesn't hurt the top execs, or doesn't hurt them nearly as much as it hurts any lowly peon foolish enough to publicly voice any opinion starboard of Hillary Clinton, when they aren't just picking white [and/or] males to target at random.

    SJWs can easily end the careers and future employment prospects of peons like the hatememo author, but scalps become harder to get as they move higher on the food chain. The biggest they can manage is Travis Kalanick; Bezos, Elon, Zuck and Larry/Sergei are beyond their reach. And even Kalanick isn't too inconvenienced, since he's still a billionaire, unlike the peons who have to live in terror of being sent from Balboa Terrace to the bread line.

    In fact, at the top the SJW stuff actually benefits the bottom line, as Clark Westwood's comment says better than I could. The SJWs went after Kalanick because Google's hired a PR firm to wage a (continuing) negative press campaign against Uber — Google can easily weather all the SJW nonsense but even the biggest upstarts like Uber struggle to, and startups flat-out can't.

    Plus it gives them much greater leverage when hiring and managing white males — "You're lucky we aren't giving your position to a Grrl Power Woman of Color, like we should! What else do you think your white male privilege entitles you to, hater?"

    Take note of how many SJW demands (ban salary negotiation, H1Bs=good / white Americans=bad, hire from outside the industry instead of promoting engineers to management) very conveniently align exactly with the execs' interests.
  39. Johnnygeo says:
    @SimonsOtherRock
    You knew John McCarthy? Was he a fan of your work?

    BTW, I am a Googler. A seven-month old Noogler, in fact. Huge loss of productivity for all of us, no doubt. There is so much misinformation and mischaracterization of the document and its author out there. But most of it's been covered, so I won't repeat. One thing perhaps worth noting: Indians are way overrepresented at the highest ranks. SJWs complain about "white men". My reporting chain is me (white man) > Indian man > Chinese woman > Indian man > white man > Indian man > Indian man (CEO). But of course, that other white guy and I meet every now and then to plot how we'll stick it to all those other inferiors.

    Another little story: Every Thursday, there's a TGIF where Larry, Sergey, and Sundar hold a company wide all hands. At the beginning of TGIF a couple weeks ago, they showed a Youtube video decrying Trump's tweets about barring transgendered people to serve in the military. Interestingly, there was almost no applause after the video ended. It was very awkward and Sergey was actually joking about the awkward silence.

    I think many, perhaps most employees quietly realize the insanity of the contemporary political/social situation, but are extremely well socialized to immediately suppress and hide any outward manifestation of such realization. It will simply gain you nothing to go against the religious fanatics who surround us. Indeed, I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I'm really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight. Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn't seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business. Even in my Noogler training, it was barely mentioned. Hasn't been mentioned since, except in a few random company-wide newsletters.

    TGIF= ?
    Thank Google it’s Friday?
    On a Thursday?

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  40. Jack D says:

    Even for a list of African American scientists, Google’s list is kind of pathetic . Percy Lavon Julian was a chemist at the Glidden Paint Company. If he was white, he wouldn’t even fall in the list of the top 1,000 scientists in American history. Just was a biologist whose area of expertise was getting fish eggs to hatch. Roger Arliner Young (a female) was a mentee (and girlfriend) of Just and her academic credentials were even more marginal than his. The rest are even bigger jokes – Jemison and Johnson aren’t scientists at all.

    But this list does beat the list of computer scientists where, even scraping the bottom of the barrel, they couldn’t come up with any. Or maybe this is an artifact of the search algorithm – no one gets assigned to do reports on “African American Computer Scientists” during Black History Month (because even by the low standards expected, there aren’t any worth naming). “Female computer scientists” gets a somewhat plausible listing because there have in fact been some women involved in computer science, although if all of these women had never been born I don’t think our world would be much different.

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    • Replies: @International Jew
    Reminds me of a (short) book that's out there about great Jewish baseball players. The book is still on the top ten and already it's talking about guys that only played in the minors! An honest list of African American mathematicians would look like that. But of course we live in an age of institutionalized bullshit.
    , @snorlax
    There's James Mickens of Harvard, formerly Microsoft Research, whom I've mentioned before as a black computer scientist I respect. He's best known for being an entertaining speaker at conferences, but he's also done serious work in distributed systems, which is among the most no-bullshit/g-loaded specialties within CS/software. It's neither here nor there, but he also seems to have no interest in blackety-blackety-black stuff, and he appears to be a closet libertarian politically.

    And there's Marcus Hutchins, aka MalwareTech, the cyberattack hero cum villain. I didn't know he was black until his arrest last week. Anyway, he seems like quite a smart guy, if rather unwise.

    23andme says I'm 0.1% Sub-Saharan African, so by the one-drop rule I'll add myself to the list.

    After that I'm drawing a blank.
  41. If women and blacks are not hired enough by white companies, why not start their own like asians do? An innocent question.

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    Before the Great Society payments started there were a lot more black run service businesses.
  42. Jack D says:
    @kihowi
    I wonder if the Google people whose job it is to try and think of search queries that return politically unfavorable results and then manually compile their own list to be shown instead, feel a little sleazy and unclean afterwards.

    I would. Maybe that's a very goy-centric way of viewing the world.

    As others have pointed out, it’s not clear that the results are really being manipulated but are rather artifacts of kids searching for report topics for Black History Month (although one does wonder why they don’t fix them to make sense).

    However, in the case of the Google Doodles, these clearly tend to highlight SJW type topics. However, those composing the Doodles think that they are doing God’s work and don’t feel one bit guilty.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    I wonder why kids aren't doing searches for the other scientists.
  43. sabril says:
    @res

    Google’s suggestions for “American scientists” are famously Woke, with blacks dominating the list. (Here are my speculations on the reasons behind this.)
     
    We talked about this in the comments two weeks ago. See John Nevelten's comment: http://www.unz.com/isteve/africans-vs-african-americans-in-minneapolis/#comment-1946582
    and my response: http://www.unz.com/isteve/africans-vs-african-americans-in-minneapolis/#comment-1947025

    This five year comparison from Google trends looks like definitive evidence for the following two conclusions:
    1. The "[African] American Inventors" effect is caused by a preponderance of searches for "African American Inventors" vs. "American Inventors".
    2. This is primarily caused by black history month.
    Note the spike for only "American Inventors" around the time last year you posted about this.

    We see a similar effect for scientists. Although I am intrigued by the year round baseline for AS being higher than for AI: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=american%20scientists,african%20american%20scientists

    "Computer scientists" does not show this effect. Hardly anyone searches for either version: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=american%20computer%20scientists,african%20american%20computer%20scientists

    "Mathematicians" does show the Black History Month effect though: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=american%20mathematicians,african%20american%20mathematicians

    So as Woke as Google might be it looks like they are just following the data in these cases.

    I pretty much agree. If you search for “famous” “scientists” or “famous” “inventors”, the images are mostly of white people. If Google were cooking the books, you wouldn’t expect this.

    Of course I agree that non-white and non-male scientists and inventors get attention and acclaim wildly disproportionate to their actual contributions.

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  44. @Anonymous
    I suspect that Larry and Sergey know perfectly well that this is BS, but they also know that it helps increase profit. Moreover, they know that doing anything to "correct" these results will bring bad publicity. Trump should call them more often. Why not invite them to a weekend outing? Trump is a flawed guy, for sure, but... aren't we all?

    When a company is making its way to the top of the market, PC considerations are well down on the must-have list. But when their success has been as huge as Google’s, they’re in politics whether they like it or not. And I think they probably do like it.

    Their near-monopoly gives them remarkable amounts of information about us – more than any Stalin could have had, and all without a stoolpigeon in every workplace and office block. Knowledge is power.

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  45. sabril says:
    @kihowi
    I wonder if the Google people whose job it is to try and think of search queries that return politically unfavorable results and then manually compile their own list to be shown instead, feel a little sleazy and unclean afterwards.

    I would. Maybe that's a very goy-centric way of viewing the world.

    feel a little sleazy and unclean afterwards.

    I would. Maybe that’s a very goy-centric way of viewing the world.

    I imagine that they feel very smug, superior, and self-satisfied. Kind of like how you feel in relation to Jews.

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  46. Simple name says: • Website

    I don’t think google does this. I think this is the Family Fued effect on their algorithms. We asked one hundred Americans to name a top scientist. Survey says, Rosa Parks!

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  47. MG says:

    If Silicon Valley truly values “diversity,” it should stop hiring mediocre Indian H-1B cheap labor software drones.

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  48. Jack D says:
    @Abe

    I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I’m really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight. Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn’t seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business.
     
    Yes, which is why I leave Google to the tender mercies of its SJW pets. The (alt-)right rushes to Silicon Valley's defense every time the latest diversity-inspired 2 Minute Hate breaks out, only to reap its contempt and indifference after things go back to normal (let us not forget that Mitt Romney, about the best the GOP will ever do in cultivating an intelligent, classy, non-Bible thumping candidate for President, was not even SECOND when it came to snagging Google employee campaign contributions in 2012).

    That Google doesn't suffer any day-to-day consequences from the politically correct BS it acquiesces to is the problem. Let them eat their own dog food, I say! More female 'engineers' tucked away in do-nothing sinecures where they can't do any real harm to the company's cash-cow products? Nuts to that! The alt-right should be demanding Facebook-level reparations that will take years to ungunk, just like how it took the Fortune 500 years to come up with all those diversicrat positions which affirmative action hires are now all funneled into ('Chief Diversity Officer- the source and solution to all our social justice problems'). Equal commit rights for those who identity as female! Code reviews embody toxic patriarchal notions of software 'quality'. In fact, Google needs to one-up Facebook. From now on, half of all algorithms used should be the invention of someone other than a white cishet male! I'm sure some melanin-enriched computer science PhD candidate has something wonderful up his sleeve. Bubble-butt sort, perhaps?

    From now on, half of all algorithms used should be the invention of someone other than a white cishet male!

    You are setting the bar way way too low. Far fewer than half the people on earth (and Google after all is a global company) are white cishet males. From now on, only five percent of Google algorithms should have white cishet male authors. Also for this purpose (only) we consider Asians to be honorary whites so they don’t count toward the 5%. Also, I for one am sick of those faux brothers who are 90% white pretending to be black . They might as well be Rachel Dolezal what with their Jewish tiger mamas and all those Bajan Rihanna look alikes . From now on, until we achieve that 95% minority goal, Google only recruits from the ghetto and if you mama ain’t on welfare and you can’t flunk the paper bag test, you ain’t really black.

    http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/on-saturday-march-5-at-the-warner-theater-honoree-eric-news-photo/526033166#on-saturday-march-5-at-the-warner-theater-honoree-eric-himpton-holder-picture-id526033166

    BET honors my ass – can’t they find some real brothers?

    The right needs to work from the Alinsky playbook. One of the Alinsky rules is “make the other side live up to their rules.”

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    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @anon
    That is not a bad idea. It would be funny to demand that SJWs use inventions in proportion to the demographics around them. Otherwise they are just not applying the correct proportionality and over-representing white inventions in their lives.

    So in homogeneous western areas you could get full use of western technology. The more diverse the area the more one could only use technology in ratios to the groups around them.

    I wonder how long that would work out ?
  49. @SimonsOtherRock
    You knew John McCarthy? Was he a fan of your work?

    BTW, I am a Googler. A seven-month old Noogler, in fact. Huge loss of productivity for all of us, no doubt. There is so much misinformation and mischaracterization of the document and its author out there. But most of it's been covered, so I won't repeat. One thing perhaps worth noting: Indians are way overrepresented at the highest ranks. SJWs complain about "white men". My reporting chain is me (white man) > Indian man > Chinese woman > Indian man > white man > Indian man > Indian man (CEO). But of course, that other white guy and I meet every now and then to plot how we'll stick it to all those other inferiors.

    Another little story: Every Thursday, there's a TGIF where Larry, Sergey, and Sundar hold a company wide all hands. At the beginning of TGIF a couple weeks ago, they showed a Youtube video decrying Trump's tweets about barring transgendered people to serve in the military. Interestingly, there was almost no applause after the video ended. It was very awkward and Sergey was actually joking about the awkward silence.

    I think many, perhaps most employees quietly realize the insanity of the contemporary political/social situation, but are extremely well socialized to immediately suppress and hide any outward manifestation of such realization. It will simply gain you nothing to go against the religious fanatics who surround us. Indeed, I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I'm really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight. Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn't seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business. Even in my Noogler training, it was barely mentioned. Hasn't been mentioned since, except in a few random company-wide newsletters.

    Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn’t seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business.

    God have mercy on your soul.

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  50. Alfa158 says:
    @Abe

    I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I’m really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight. Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn’t seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business.
     
    Yes, which is why I leave Google to the tender mercies of its SJW pets. The (alt-)right rushes to Silicon Valley's defense every time the latest diversity-inspired 2 Minute Hate breaks out, only to reap its contempt and indifference after things go back to normal (let us not forget that Mitt Romney, about the best the GOP will ever do in cultivating an intelligent, classy, non-Bible thumping candidate for President, was not even SECOND when it came to snagging Google employee campaign contributions in 2012).

    That Google doesn't suffer any day-to-day consequences from the politically correct BS it acquiesces to is the problem. Let them eat their own dog food, I say! More female 'engineers' tucked away in do-nothing sinecures where they can't do any real harm to the company's cash-cow products? Nuts to that! The alt-right should be demanding Facebook-level reparations that will take years to ungunk, just like how it took the Fortune 500 years to come up with all those diversicrat positions which affirmative action hires are now all funneled into ('Chief Diversity Officer- the source and solution to all our social justice problems'). Equal commit rights for those who identity as female! Code reviews embody toxic patriarchal notions of software 'quality'. In fact, Google needs to one-up Facebook. From now on, half of all algorithms used should be the invention of someone other than a white cishet male! I'm sure some melanin-enriched computer science PhD candidate has something wonderful up his sleeve. Bubble-butt sort, perhaps?

    “The (alt-)right rushes to Silicon Valley’s defense every time the latest diversity-inspired 2 Minute Hate breaks out,”
    That would be the cuck-right. The alt-right understands that the people who run the Silicon Valley internet centric companies are run by their enemies, and would not cross the street to piss on one of them if they were on fire.

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  51. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @sabril
    I just image searched American Scientists on Bing; 20 of the 21 top results were black people. Results on Duckduckgo were similar.

    So perhaps it's not Google manipulation so much as a reflection of rampant political correctness.

    Search results often seem like manipulated pari-mutuel betting to drive up or down odds, or salting the mine to induce speculators, or having a thumb on the scale. You get the drift.

    In other words, they can be whatever someone with enough juice decides they want them to be. Truth disappeared only to be replaced by ‘truth’ and then by “truth”.

    Sic transit gloria mundi.

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    • Replies: @the cruncher
    Googlers have been showing up in /pol/ more often nowadays, and one said that it was an open secret on campus that people were doing 'black hat' seo from the inside. You may be not wrong.

    Click around the thread, judge the guy's credibility for yourself:

    https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/135436261#p135441506

    (archived version)
    http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/135436261/#135441506
  52. Alfa158 says:

    I used to work for a Silicon Valley start-up that was financed and run by Asians and the attitude towards diversity was refreshingly honest. At it’s height when the company had several hundred US employees, there was, by my count, 1 (one) Black employee and no noticeable Hispanics. The company hired strictly on merit, and seemed to think that the workforce of ruthlessly selected Whites and Asians was sufficiently diverse. I don’t remember ever having to attend any training sessions on diversity or sensitivity during the years I worked there. The public documentation such as job opening notifications contained the legally required boilerplate clauses about equal opportunity with no regard for blah blah blah, but in this case, the company took that wording literally.
    It hired the best strictly on ability and even had an informal policy of weeding out the bottom few percentage performers every year. It was the only company I ever worked at in which the annual performance review rating had only three levels: Exceptional, Exceeds Expectations and Meets Expectations. There was no rating such as Needs Improvement or, Does not Meet Expectations. If that was your rating, you weren’t there any more.
    It was like working in the gladiator school from Spartacus, with 80 hour work-weeks, but it was good training, and the stock options paid for a house in a really nice Whitopia, with money left over for investments and nice cars. The only thing I didn’t like was writing the six digit checks to the IRS and California Tax board. I’d work somewhere like that again in a heartbeat.

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    • Replies: @Clark Westwood

    I used to work for a Silicon Valley start-up that was financed and run by Asians and the attitude towards diversity was refreshingly honest. At it’s height when the company had several hundred US employees, there was, by my count, 1 (one) Black employee and no noticeable Hispanics.
     
    I think the key word there is "start-up." At some point, a company becomes large enough that it stops viewing artificial diversity as a burden and begins viewing it as a weapon. For the big boys, diversity is a club to beat their small potential competitors with. Google et al. can afford to employ a lot of diverse "workers" solely as window dressing, but start-up IT firm X cannot. Therefore, Google et al. are more than happy to comply with and ostentatiously support demands for more diversity throughout the industry.
    , @Father O'Hara
    Why don't you find some nice black lady and start your own company? The lady would of course,be your diversity pass.
  53. Goatweed says:

    Is there a list of black computer scientists in movies?

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    • Replies: @James Richard
    http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/36/590x/secondary/samuelljacksonjurassicpark-858008.jpg
    , @Lurker
    Or, shorter list, non-black computer scientists in movies?
  54. @Alfa158
    I used to work for a Silicon Valley start-up that was financed and run by Asians and the attitude towards diversity was refreshingly honest. At it's height when the company had several hundred US employees, there was, by my count, 1 (one) Black employee and no noticeable Hispanics. The company hired strictly on merit, and seemed to think that the workforce of ruthlessly selected Whites and Asians was sufficiently diverse. I don't remember ever having to attend any training sessions on diversity or sensitivity during the years I worked there. The public documentation such as job opening notifications contained the legally required boilerplate clauses about equal opportunity with no regard for blah blah blah, but in this case, the company took that wording literally.
    It hired the best strictly on ability and even had an informal policy of weeding out the bottom few percentage performers every year. It was the only company I ever worked at in which the annual performance review rating had only three levels: Exceptional, Exceeds Expectations and Meets Expectations. There was no rating such as Needs Improvement or, Does not Meet Expectations. If that was your rating, you weren't there any more.
    It was like working in the gladiator school from Spartacus, with 80 hour work-weeks, but it was good training, and the stock options paid for a house in a really nice Whitopia, with money left over for investments and nice cars. The only thing I didn't like was writing the six digit checks to the IRS and California Tax board. I'd work somewhere like that again in a heartbeat.

    I used to work for a Silicon Valley start-up that was financed and run by Asians and the attitude towards diversity was refreshingly honest. At it’s height when the company had several hundred US employees, there was, by my count, 1 (one) Black employee and no noticeable Hispanics.

    I think the key word there is “start-up.” At some point, a company becomes large enough that it stops viewing artificial diversity as a burden and begins viewing it as a weapon. For the big boys, diversity is a club to beat their small potential competitors with. Google et al. can afford to employ a lot of diverse “workers” solely as window dressing, but start-up IT firm X cannot. Therefore, Google et al. are more than happy to comply with and ostentatiously support demands for more diversity throughout the industry.

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    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Problem with this idea is that even places where this type of competition isn't an issue, such as in academia, you see this mad push for diversity.
  55. Travis says:

    if the SJWs really wanted more women in tech they would be critical of the H1B visa program, which imports 75,000 Asian males each year. The men come from sexist cultures and most fail to culturally appropriate feminist views about gender. To get more females into tech H1b visas should use affirmative action to skew the gender balance in favor of females.

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  56. @Anonymous
    I suspect that Larry and Sergey know perfectly well that this is BS, but they also know that it helps increase profit. Moreover, they know that doing anything to "correct" these results will bring bad publicity. Trump should call them more often. Why not invite them to a weekend outing? Trump is a flawed guy, for sure, but... aren't we all?

    If Sergey’s parents are anything like mine (university-educated Russian Jews born in the 1930s) then they’ve already filled him in on the striking similarities between how political orthodoxy is enforced in America today, and how it was enforced in the USSR (post-Stalin of course).

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  57. @sabril
    I just image searched American Scientists on Bing; 20 of the 21 top results were black people. Results on Duckduckgo were similar.

    So perhaps it's not Google manipulation so much as a reflection of rampant political correctness.

    If you want Google to return a gallery of white American scientists, then search for “Jewish scientists”. Ditto “Jewish mathematicians.” Seriously. Try it.

    I’m sure even the “Jewish scientists” search would return mostly Africans, if there’d ever been any even remotely plausible ones.

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    • Replies: @JerryC
    Sadly, Sammy Davis Jr didn't make Google's suggestions for "Jewish singers". Very disappointing!
    , @Anonymous
    My "white American scientists" search on Google resulted in many black scientists.

    My "Jewish American scientists" search on Google resulted in many white Jewish scientists.
  58. Ben Frank says:

    Monopolies are overwhelmingly powerful, and continue until their own inefficiencies destroy them. Google will keep manipulating search results, Wikipedia will keep slanting articles, FB will do similar, until the balance tips and it becomes more rewarding for people to use something with a higher truth content.

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  59. JerryC says:
    @International Jew
    If you want Google to return a gallery of white American scientists, then search for "Jewish scientists". Ditto "Jewish mathematicians." Seriously. Try it.

    I'm sure even the "Jewish scientists" search would return mostly Africans, if there'd ever been any even remotely plausible ones.

    Sadly, Sammy Davis Jr didn’t make Google’s suggestions for “Jewish singers”. Very disappointing!

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  60. re Googling “American scientists”–of course you’ll get a diverse group using that search. Better to use “America’s top scientists.” https://www.google.com/search?q=American++top+scientists&oq=American++top+scientists&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i7i5i30k1j0i8i30k1l3.11689.13559.0.15045.5.5.0.0.0.0.355.756.2j2j0j1.5.0….0…1.1.64.psy-ab..0.5.754…0i131k1j0i7i30k1j0i13k1j0i8i7i30k1.Gx4BXz931No

    Here you only have a few affirmative action lightweights, like GW Carver and Neil Tyson

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  61. @Jack D
    Even for a list of African American scientists, Google's list is kind of pathetic . Percy Lavon Julian was a chemist at the Glidden Paint Company. If he was white, he wouldn't even fall in the list of the top 1,000 scientists in American history. Just was a biologist whose area of expertise was getting fish eggs to hatch. Roger Arliner Young (a female) was a mentee (and girlfriend) of Just and her academic credentials were even more marginal than his. The rest are even bigger jokes - Jemison and Johnson aren't scientists at all.

    But this list does beat the list of computer scientists where, even scraping the bottom of the barrel, they couldn't come up with any. Or maybe this is an artifact of the search algorithm - no one gets assigned to do reports on "African American Computer Scientists" during Black History Month (because even by the low standards expected, there aren't any worth naming). "Female computer scientists" gets a somewhat plausible listing because there have in fact been some women involved in computer science, although if all of these women had never been born I don't think our world would be much different.

    Reminds me of a (short) book that’s out there about great Jewish baseball players. The book is still on the top ten and already it’s talking about guys that only played in the minors! An honest list of African American mathematicians would look like that. But of course we live in an age of institutionalized bullshit.

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    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cxqjsyfbcd4
    , @Cagey Beast
    That reminds me of a tweet I bookmarked a while ago:

    Cécile Duflot: "Why, when women are extraordinary, do their stories end up forgotten? I'm sure you don't know of Marie Marvingt."

    Julien Rochedy: "Is it my fault The History of Women Philosophers is one of the thinnest books in my library?!"
     

    .@CecileDuflot Est-ce de ma faute si "L'histoire des femmes philosophes" est l'un des livres les plus fins de ma bibliothèque ?!
     

     
    , @Anonym
    I thought you were referring to the Airplane! gag but maybe not?

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2e5w4h_famous-jewish-sports-legends_fun
  62. @Jack D
    As others have pointed out, it's not clear that the results are really being manipulated but are rather artifacts of kids searching for report topics for Black History Month (although one does wonder why they don't fix them to make sense).

    However, in the case of the Google Doodles, these clearly tend to highlight SJW type topics. However, those composing the Doodles think that they are doing God's work and don't feel one bit guilty.

    I wonder why kids aren’t doing searches for the other scientists.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    Because they have been assigned by their teachers to do reports on black scientists for Black History Month. The original idea was that black scientists, although not given due recognition in the past, really existed and could be great role models for black kids. They could also correct "misconceptions" by whites that blacks were only criminals and never made any useful contributions. But then it got morphed to the point where kids ONLY learn about black scientists.

    We see the same thing in TV commercials - in the past, expert figures (doctor,lawyer, banker, etc.) were always white, so to correct this we started casting blacks in these roles, until eventually most TV commercial experts were black or at least way more that the % of real life black professionals in these roles.

  63. Charlie_U says:
    @PiltdownMan
    Unbelievable. It's seriously messed up. Josiah Gibbs is at the bottom of the list at fifty something, and even George Birkhoff and Paul Halmos, ranking at twenty something, are below Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber. Josiah Gibbs, who developed vector analysis, is at the end of the suggestions list, ranked at fifty something.

    Josiah Gibbs is at the bottom of the list…

    If only he’d been called Josiah Gibsmedat.

    :-D

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  64. Anonym says:
    @SimonsOtherRock
    You knew John McCarthy? Was he a fan of your work?

    BTW, I am a Googler. A seven-month old Noogler, in fact. Huge loss of productivity for all of us, no doubt. There is so much misinformation and mischaracterization of the document and its author out there. But most of it's been covered, so I won't repeat. One thing perhaps worth noting: Indians are way overrepresented at the highest ranks. SJWs complain about "white men". My reporting chain is me (white man) > Indian man > Chinese woman > Indian man > white man > Indian man > Indian man (CEO). But of course, that other white guy and I meet every now and then to plot how we'll stick it to all those other inferiors.

    Another little story: Every Thursday, there's a TGIF where Larry, Sergey, and Sundar hold a company wide all hands. At the beginning of TGIF a couple weeks ago, they showed a Youtube video decrying Trump's tweets about barring transgendered people to serve in the military. Interestingly, there was almost no applause after the video ended. It was very awkward and Sergey was actually joking about the awkward silence.

    I think many, perhaps most employees quietly realize the insanity of the contemporary political/social situation, but are extremely well socialized to immediately suppress and hide any outward manifestation of such realization. It will simply gain you nothing to go against the religious fanatics who surround us. Indeed, I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I'm really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight. Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn't seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business. Even in my Noogler training, it was barely mentioned. Hasn't been mentioned since, except in a few random company-wide newsletters.

    A given person may not be interested in Google. Google may not be interested in the Googler as you suggest. But Google is interested in us.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/hubris-and-nemesis-googles-triumph-of-the-sjw-will/

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  65. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Google should allow various options for searches:

    1. Popular. Results according to popularity. No filtering whatsoever.

    2. Popular with explicit content removed.

    3. Preferred. What Google prefers that we read. Or Google’s Choices.

    4. Promoted. Based on what companies pay Google for favorite results.

    5. Expert. What academics deem to be most prestigious.

    6. Alternative. Those sites or info disfavored by Google.

    With all these options, everyone wins by getting what they want.

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    • Replies: @Njguy73
    Google will eventually have six options:

    Doubleplusgood
    Plusgood
    Good
    Ungood
    Plusungood
    Doubleplusungood
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Yes. This is actually a good idea. It will never happen. Going farther, Google could open up the hood and let users tinker with search settings/filters.

    That would increase my use of the Internet a lot. In recent years, my use of the Internet has declined substantially. This is partly due to current trends in website design, but partly due to the fact that Google's search results are frequently boring/useless/advertising.
  66. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jack D

    From now on, half of all algorithms used should be the invention of someone other than a white cishet male!
     
    You are setting the bar way way too low. Far fewer than half the people on earth (and Google after all is a global company) are white cishet males. From now on, only five percent of Google algorithms should have white cishet male authors. Also for this purpose (only) we consider Asians to be honorary whites so they don't count toward the 5%. Also, I for one am sick of those faux brothers who are 90% white pretending to be black . They might as well be Rachel Dolezal what with their Jewish tiger mamas and all those Bajan Rihanna look alikes . From now on, until we achieve that 95% minority goal, Google only recruits from the ghetto and if you mama ain't on welfare and you can't flunk the paper bag test, you ain't really black.

    http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/on-saturday-march-5-at-the-warner-theater-honoree-eric-news-photo/526033166#on-saturday-march-5-at-the-warner-theater-honoree-eric-himpton-holder-picture-id526033166

    BET honors my ass - can't they find some real brothers?

    The right needs to work from the Alinsky playbook. One of the Alinsky rules is "make the other side live up to their rules."

    That is not a bad idea. It would be funny to demand that SJWs use inventions in proportion to the demographics around them. Otherwise they are just not applying the correct proportionality and over-representing white inventions in their lives.

    So in homogeneous western areas you could get full use of western technology. The more diverse the area the more one could only use technology in ratios to the groups around them.

    I wonder how long that would work out ?

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  67. Luke Lea says:

    Do no evil is easier said than done, especially when you are two nerds who suddenly find yourselves in control of a global information monopoly in an age of political correctness. Did they ever have a chance?

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  68. @Dr. X

    I think many, perhaps most employees quietly realize the insanity of the contemporary political/social situation, but are extremely well socialized to immediately suppress and hide any outward manifestation of such realization.
     
    That's exactly how things were in the Soviet Union.

    That’s exactly how things were in the Soviet Union.

    You’ve reminded me of an article I read some years ago by an American lawyer who was part of a team sent to Russia to help Soviet-trained lawyers adapt themselves to their new, aspirationally Western legal system. One particularly striking observation by the author was that the Soviet-trained lawyers needed to learn how to use logic in their arguments.

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  69. Rod1963 says:
    @Abe

    I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I’m really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight. Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn’t seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business.
     
    Yes, which is why I leave Google to the tender mercies of its SJW pets. The (alt-)right rushes to Silicon Valley's defense every time the latest diversity-inspired 2 Minute Hate breaks out, only to reap its contempt and indifference after things go back to normal (let us not forget that Mitt Romney, about the best the GOP will ever do in cultivating an intelligent, classy, non-Bible thumping candidate for President, was not even SECOND when it came to snagging Google employee campaign contributions in 2012).

    That Google doesn't suffer any day-to-day consequences from the politically correct BS it acquiesces to is the problem. Let them eat their own dog food, I say! More female 'engineers' tucked away in do-nothing sinecures where they can't do any real harm to the company's cash-cow products? Nuts to that! The alt-right should be demanding Facebook-level reparations that will take years to ungunk, just like how it took the Fortune 500 years to come up with all those diversicrat positions which affirmative action hires are now all funneled into ('Chief Diversity Officer- the source and solution to all our social justice problems'). Equal commit rights for those who identity as female! Code reviews embody toxic patriarchal notions of software 'quality'. In fact, Google needs to one-up Facebook. From now on, half of all algorithms used should be the invention of someone other than a white cishet male! I'm sure some melanin-enriched computer science PhD candidate has something wonderful up his sleeve. Bubble-butt sort, perhaps?

    The (alt-)right rushes to Silicon Valley’s defense every time the latest diversity-inspired 2 Minute Hate breaks out, only to reap its contempt and indifference after things go back to normal

    Nope, that would be your traditional GOP whore/politician. Most of us are well aware of the contempt and outright hate those Silicon Valley execs have towards white Americans and traditional values. So much so they actively work to support open borders, demographic replacement of whites, etc.

    I’d feed them to hungry hogs if given the chance.

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  70. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anon
    That is not a bad idea. It would be funny to demand that SJWs use inventions in proportion to the demographics around them. Otherwise they are just not applying the correct proportionality and over-representing white inventions in their lives.

    So in homogeneous western areas you could get full use of western technology. The more diverse the area the more one could only use technology in ratios to the groups around them.

    I wonder how long that would work out ?

    Google is turning into Goolag of the mind.

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  71. @International Jew
    Reminds me of a (short) book that's out there about great Jewish baseball players. The book is still on the top ten and already it's talking about guys that only played in the minors! An honest list of African American mathematicians would look like that. But of course we live in an age of institutionalized bullshit.
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  72. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @PiltdownMan
    Unbelievable. It's seriously messed up. Josiah Gibbs is at the bottom of the list at fifty something, and even George Birkhoff and Paul Halmos, ranking at twenty something, are below Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber. Josiah Gibbs, who developed vector analysis, is at the end of the suggestions list, ranked at fifty something.

    Somebody who’s a mathematician needs to create a list and post it online just to the show the non-mathematicians who’s important in the history of the field, because the non-mathematicians have no clue who the important people are. This weakness means the ignorant become easy to swindle with PC nonsense and other propoganda.

    To create truth, you have to put truth out there. The PC crowd understands this, which is why they’re constantly churning out a wall of lying propoganda in their attempt to rewrite history. The Alt-Right hasn’t really figured out that to counter this, they have to start laying out the truth for the public themselves.

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    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    Even from the viewpoint of gender diversity, the list fails, because Emmy Noether is nowhere to be seen on a list of fifty-odd American mathematicians. You are right. Someone needs to create a canonical list.
  73. tsotha says:

    SJWs complain about “white men”. My reporting chain is me (white man) > Indian man > Chinese woman > Indian man > white man > Indian man > Indian man (CEO).

    Which is fine, I suppose, until you decide you want to go into management. That is where, I suppose, you’d suddenly find it affecting your day to day work. Where I work there’s a more-or-less official policy to heavily promote women and minorities, so the C suite is filled with white guys (from before the policy), and the lowest rank of management is filled with mostly white guys (drawn from a pool of technical people), but the ranks in between have only a tiny number of the most connected, capable, and charismatic white guys. The bulk is Indian men and (mostly white) women.

    In regard to all the Indians in management, I’m not surprised. My impression is there isn’t much status in India for engineers and programmers, so immigrants from that country see technical jobs as a stepping stone to management and not a viable career in their own right. When middle management comes around trying to draft a manager the Indian guys are the only ones who volunteer. As a white guy, why the hell would I take a dead end management job?

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    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    I'm with you buddy. I've spent years programming, not "software engineering", and have turned down every chance I've had to go into management. It's not like they were gonna pay me $250k to manage a bunch of cranky programmers plus have nothing else to do all day but got to meetings and write progress reports, etc.

    Screw that, I'm a coder. Watch me make this over grown adding machine dance.
  74. Cagey Beast says: • Website
    @International Jew
    Reminds me of a (short) book that's out there about great Jewish baseball players. The book is still on the top ten and already it's talking about guys that only played in the minors! An honest list of African American mathematicians would look like that. But of course we live in an age of institutionalized bullshit.

    That reminds me of a tweet I bookmarked a while ago:

    Cécile Duflot: “Why, when women are extraordinary, do their stories end up forgotten? I’m sure you don’t know of Marie Marvingt.”

    Julien Rochedy: “Is it my fault The History of Women Philosophers is one of the thinnest books in my library?!”

    .@CecileDuflot Est-ce de ma faute si "L'histoire des femmes philosophes" est l'un des livres les plus fins de ma bibliothèque ?!

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    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    It's annoying having no idea how a comment that links to a tweet will appear in it's final version. This is the photo I mentioned: http://imgur.com/a/iBIQW
  75. Anonym says:
    @Pericles

    they showed a Youtube video decrying Trump’s tweets about barring transgendered people to serve in the military. Interestingly, there was almost no applause after the video ended. It was very awkward and Sergey was actually joking about the awkward silence.

     

    Do I get a Wachowski brother vibe from this? Yes, perhaps I do.

    Do I get a Wachowski brother vibe from this? Yes, perhaps I do.

    Brin is attracted to women at least, this we know.

    In other news, Amanda Rosenberg is now depressed.

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  76. Jack D says:
    @Desiderius
    I wonder why kids aren't doing searches for the other scientists.

    Because they have been assigned by their teachers to do reports on black scientists for Black History Month. The original idea was that black scientists, although not given due recognition in the past, really existed and could be great role models for black kids. They could also correct “misconceptions” by whites that blacks were only criminals and never made any useful contributions. But then it got morphed to the point where kids ONLY learn about black scientists.

    We see the same thing in TV commercials – in the past, expert figures (doctor,lawyer, banker, etc.) were always white, so to correct this we started casting blacks in these roles, until eventually most TV commercial experts were black or at least way more that the % of real life black professionals in these roles.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Yes, I know.

    Perhaps I should have asked why boosting black kids self-esteem is not only more important than (a) accuracy and (b) non-black self-esteem but so important that it evidently completely crowds it out.
  77. Barnard says:

    OT: A mosque in Bloomington, MN, was bombed, although the bomb was thrown through a window into an office with no one inside at the time. There are witnesses, but they don’t seem to have a good description of the alleged bomber or the vehicle, calling it either a van or a truck. Maybe they will use some of the $95k they are trying to raise off Go Fund Me to install some security cameras, or maybe not.

    http://www.startribune.com/director-says-bombed-mosque-doesn-t-have-security-cameras/439026413/

    https://www.gofundme.com/support-dar-al-farooq-center

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  78. Graham says:
    @Anonymous
    Wow!
    But I'm tempted to think this is just an artifact... Does anyone who actually knows ANYTHING about mathematics and history do a search for "American mathematicians"? I could probably name 20 that I don't see there on the front page, and I have never been tempted to run such a search. I even met John Conway briefly!

    John Conway is English. You might have noticed this when you met him, but perhaps his accent has gone more American lately.

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  79. @Robert Hume
    If women and blacks are not hired enough by white companies, why not start their own like asians do? An innocent question.

    Before the Great Society payments started there were a lot more black run service businesses.

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  80. @Chrisnonymous

    My reporting chain is me (white man) > Indian man > Chinese woman > Indian man > white man > Indian man > Indian man (CEO).
     
    I hope you made that up. If not, Steve should delete it for you.

    Pffffft. This scenario describes a good fifty thousand of us in Silly Valley, and easily five thousand people at Google, Inc.

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  81. @Chrisnonymous

    My reporting chain is me (white man) > Indian man > Chinese woman > Indian man > white man > Indian man > Indian man (CEO).
     
    I hope you made that up. If not, Steve should delete it for you.

    It’s not identifying. Every Googler’s reporting chain looks more or less like that.

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  82. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @International Jew
    If you want Google to return a gallery of white American scientists, then search for "Jewish scientists". Ditto "Jewish mathematicians." Seriously. Try it.

    I'm sure even the "Jewish scientists" search would return mostly Africans, if there'd ever been any even remotely plausible ones.

    My “white American scientists” search on Google resulted in many black scientists.

    My “Jewish American scientists” search on Google resulted in many white Jewish scientists.

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  83. Pat Boyle says:
    @Thomm
    Whites are underrepresented at Google. Only Asians are overrepresented.

    Of course, Asians don't count as 'diversity'.

    But the engineer at Google was (rightly) bashing the notion that women should be 50% of the engineers at Google. He was not commenting on race, but rather gender.

    I have managed lots of different nationalities. I have had white, Indian, Chinese and Russian programmers working for me. But I had never had a black programmer until last job. I was quite surprised – I didn’t think they existed. One of them never could write a line of code. He was well aware of his intellectual limitations. He had worked for s computer education company setting up the PCs for the students every night. The brain numb HR staff didn’t know the difference and hired him as a programmer. I fired him gently and he understood. He had spent weeks sitting there looking at the screen and wondering what to do.

    The other black guy could program a little but had behavioral issues. For example he stayed up all night and came to work to sleep at his desk. He organized an orgy in the computer room. That required that he turn off all the servers. He was incredibly arrogant.

    I fired both of them (I fired several others too).

    Everyone I knew was desperate to hire Chinese IT personnel. We didn’t pay well enough to get any Chinese. My first hire was Thai. He was so good it saved my job. I was controversial because I was eliminating so many positions. In those days all sorts of people were marketing themselves as programmers. The previous HR policy was to pick the best of the first three that walked through the door. That’s why they had hired so many non-programmers. My policy was to ask just a few questions. The most illuminative was – “Define Third normal form”. This simple question about database theory knocked out most of the pretenders.

    I interviewed 26 programmers before I found one who had an adequate answer. The Labor Department won’t let me (or anyone else) make up a simple written test because such test eliminates black applicants like bubonic plague eliminates those who carry fleas. In a just society almost no black people will get to be programmers.

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    The Labor Department won’t let me (or anyone else) make up a simple written test because such test eliminates black applicants

     

    This is not quite the law in this area, but the burden is on employer to show that if a selection procedure has "disparate impact" , the employer must be able to prove

    " that the selection procedure is job-related and consistent with business necessity... An employer can meet this standard by showing that it is necessary to the safe and efficient performance of the job. The challenged policy or practice should therefore be associated with the skills needed to perform the job successfully. In contrast to a general measurement of applicants’ or employees’ skills, the challenged policy or practice must evaluate an individual’s skills as related to the particular job in question. If the employer shows that the selection procedure is job-related and consistent with business necessity, can the person challenging the selection procedure demonstrate that there is a less discriminatory alternative available? For example, is another test available that would be equally effective in predicting job performance but would not disproportionately exclude the protected group?"
     
    From a U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission factsheet.

    On its surface, a job like programming is perfect for this - it's easy to give a programming test that correlates with actual programming skills and there's no good substitute. But in real life it's easier not to give such tests given that the burden is on the employ to PROVE all of the above with expensive expert witnesses, studies, etc.
    , @peterike

    The Labor Department won’t let me (or anyone else) make up a simple written test because such test eliminates black applicants like bubonic plague eliminates those who carry fleas.

     

    Funny. Nearly every place I've worked very specifically asks programmer interviewees specific programming questions, like "how would you solve this problem xyz?" (not a programmer, have no examples!). But not necessarily in writing, more in an interview-with-a-whiteboard setting. I wonder if that's the loophole?
  84. anonn says:
    @Abe

    I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I’m really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight. Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn’t seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business.
     
    Yes, which is why I leave Google to the tender mercies of its SJW pets. The (alt-)right rushes to Silicon Valley's defense every time the latest diversity-inspired 2 Minute Hate breaks out, only to reap its contempt and indifference after things go back to normal (let us not forget that Mitt Romney, about the best the GOP will ever do in cultivating an intelligent, classy, non-Bible thumping candidate for President, was not even SECOND when it came to snagging Google employee campaign contributions in 2012).

    That Google doesn't suffer any day-to-day consequences from the politically correct BS it acquiesces to is the problem. Let them eat their own dog food, I say! More female 'engineers' tucked away in do-nothing sinecures where they can't do any real harm to the company's cash-cow products? Nuts to that! The alt-right should be demanding Facebook-level reparations that will take years to ungunk, just like how it took the Fortune 500 years to come up with all those diversicrat positions which affirmative action hires are now all funneled into ('Chief Diversity Officer- the source and solution to all our social justice problems'). Equal commit rights for those who identity as female! Code reviews embody toxic patriarchal notions of software 'quality'. In fact, Google needs to one-up Facebook. From now on, half of all algorithms used should be the invention of someone other than a white cishet male! I'm sure some melanin-enriched computer science PhD candidate has something wonderful up his sleeve. Bubble-butt sort, perhaps?

    Why on earth would Google employees or any other Silicon Valley workers align with the Romney wing of the Republican party? These workers have made their bosses hundreds of billions of paper profits and the Romneys of the world promise unlimited immigration in return. “Vote for me, I’ll make sure you never get a cut of the profits, and ensure that you’re penniless, uninsured, and unemployed by the age of 35!” just isn’t very compelling.

    The Republicans seem to have concluded that the bible-thumpers are the more useful bloc. Certainly they are admirably distributed and they vote, whereas any coastal tech workers who switched would be useless electorally.

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  85. Jack D says:
    @Pat Boyle
    I have managed lots of different nationalities. I have had white, Indian, Chinese and Russian programmers working for me. But I had never had a black programmer until last job. I was quite surprised - I didn't think they existed. One of them never could write a line of code. He was well aware of his intellectual limitations. He had worked for s computer education company setting up the PCs for the students every night. The brain numb HR staff didn't know the difference and hired him as a programmer. I fired him gently and he understood. He had spent weeks sitting there looking at the screen and wondering what to do.

    The other black guy could program a little but had behavioral issues. For example he stayed up all night and came to work to sleep at his desk. He organized an orgy in the computer room. That required that he turn off all the servers. He was incredibly arrogant.

    I fired both of them (I fired several others too).

    Everyone I knew was desperate to hire Chinese IT personnel. We didn't pay well enough to get any Chinese. My first hire was Thai. He was so good it saved my job. I was controversial because I was eliminating so many positions. In those days all sorts of people were marketing themselves as programmers. The previous HR policy was to pick the best of the first three that walked through the door. That's why they had hired so many non-programmers. My policy was to ask just a few questions. The most illuminative was - "Define Third normal form". This simple question about database theory knocked out most of the pretenders.

    I interviewed 26 programmers before I found one who had an adequate answer. The Labor Department won't let me (or anyone else) make up a simple written test because such test eliminates black applicants like bubonic plague eliminates those who carry fleas. In a just society almost no black people will get to be programmers.

    The Labor Department won’t let me (or anyone else) make up a simple written test because such test eliminates black applicants

    This is not quite the law in this area, but the burden is on employer to show that if a selection procedure has “disparate impact” , the employer must be able to prove

    ” that the selection procedure is job-related and consistent with business necessity… An employer can meet this standard by showing that it is necessary to the safe and efficient performance of the job. The challenged policy or practice should therefore be associated with the skills needed to perform the job successfully. In contrast to a general measurement of applicants’ or employees’ skills, the challenged policy or practice must evaluate an individual’s skills as related to the particular job in question. If the employer shows that the selection procedure is job-related and consistent with business necessity, can the person challenging the selection procedure demonstrate that there is a less discriminatory alternative available? For example, is another test available that would be equally effective in predicting job performance but would not disproportionately exclude the protected group?”

    From a U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission factsheet.

    On its surface, a job like programming is perfect for this – it’s easy to give a programming test that correlates with actual programming skills and there’s no good substitute. But in real life it’s easier not to give such tests given that the burden is on the employ to PROVE all of the above with expensive expert witnesses, studies, etc.

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  86. Njguy73 says:
    @Anon
    Google should allow various options for searches:

    1. Popular. Results according to popularity. No filtering whatsoever.

    2. Popular with explicit content removed.

    3. Preferred. What Google prefers that we read. Or Google's Choices.

    4. Promoted. Based on what companies pay Google for favorite results.

    5. Expert. What academics deem to be most prestigious.

    6. Alternative. Those sites or info disfavored by Google.

    With all these options, everyone wins by getting what they want.

    Google will eventually have six options:

    Doubleplusgood
    Plusgood
    Good
    Ungood
    Plusungood
    Doubleplusungood

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  87. @Anon
    Google should allow various options for searches:

    1. Popular. Results according to popularity. No filtering whatsoever.

    2. Popular with explicit content removed.

    3. Preferred. What Google prefers that we read. Or Google's Choices.

    4. Promoted. Based on what companies pay Google for favorite results.

    5. Expert. What academics deem to be most prestigious.

    6. Alternative. Those sites or info disfavored by Google.

    With all these options, everyone wins by getting what they want.

    Yes. This is actually a good idea. It will never happen. Going farther, Google could open up the hood and let users tinker with search settings/filters.

    That would increase my use of the Internet a lot. In recent years, my use of the Internet has declined substantially. This is partly due to current trends in website design, but partly due to the fact that Google’s search results are frequently boring/useless/advertising.

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  88. @SimonsOtherRock
    You knew John McCarthy? Was he a fan of your work?

    BTW, I am a Googler. A seven-month old Noogler, in fact. Huge loss of productivity for all of us, no doubt. There is so much misinformation and mischaracterization of the document and its author out there. But most of it's been covered, so I won't repeat. One thing perhaps worth noting: Indians are way overrepresented at the highest ranks. SJWs complain about "white men". My reporting chain is me (white man) > Indian man > Chinese woman > Indian man > white man > Indian man > Indian man (CEO). But of course, that other white guy and I meet every now and then to plot how we'll stick it to all those other inferiors.

    Another little story: Every Thursday, there's a TGIF where Larry, Sergey, and Sundar hold a company wide all hands. At the beginning of TGIF a couple weeks ago, they showed a Youtube video decrying Trump's tweets about barring transgendered people to serve in the military. Interestingly, there was almost no applause after the video ended. It was very awkward and Sergey was actually joking about the awkward silence.

    I think many, perhaps most employees quietly realize the insanity of the contemporary political/social situation, but are extremely well socialized to immediately suppress and hide any outward manifestation of such realization. It will simply gain you nothing to go against the religious fanatics who surround us. Indeed, I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I'm really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight. Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn't seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business. Even in my Noogler training, it was barely mentioned. Hasn't been mentioned since, except in a few random company-wide newsletters.

    I’m really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight

    You answer your own question a couple sentences earlier:

    I think many, perhaps most employees quietly realize the insanity of the contemporary political/social situation, but are extremely well socialized to immediately suppress and hide any outward manifestation of such realization.

    He wanted to fight the fight, because living in such an environment, where you have to suppress any “bad” thoughts, is corrosive to the soul.

    How do you think it would have been received if, after the YouTube video decrying Trump’s tweets about barring transgendered people from the military, you’d cheered “Yeah! Way to go Trump!”?

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  89. peterike says:
    @Pat Boyle
    I have managed lots of different nationalities. I have had white, Indian, Chinese and Russian programmers working for me. But I had never had a black programmer until last job. I was quite surprised - I didn't think they existed. One of them never could write a line of code. He was well aware of his intellectual limitations. He had worked for s computer education company setting up the PCs for the students every night. The brain numb HR staff didn't know the difference and hired him as a programmer. I fired him gently and he understood. He had spent weeks sitting there looking at the screen and wondering what to do.

    The other black guy could program a little but had behavioral issues. For example he stayed up all night and came to work to sleep at his desk. He organized an orgy in the computer room. That required that he turn off all the servers. He was incredibly arrogant.

    I fired both of them (I fired several others too).

    Everyone I knew was desperate to hire Chinese IT personnel. We didn't pay well enough to get any Chinese. My first hire was Thai. He was so good it saved my job. I was controversial because I was eliminating so many positions. In those days all sorts of people were marketing themselves as programmers. The previous HR policy was to pick the best of the first three that walked through the door. That's why they had hired so many non-programmers. My policy was to ask just a few questions. The most illuminative was - "Define Third normal form". This simple question about database theory knocked out most of the pretenders.

    I interviewed 26 programmers before I found one who had an adequate answer. The Labor Department won't let me (or anyone else) make up a simple written test because such test eliminates black applicants like bubonic plague eliminates those who carry fleas. In a just society almost no black people will get to be programmers.

    The Labor Department won’t let me (or anyone else) make up a simple written test because such test eliminates black applicants like bubonic plague eliminates those who carry fleas.

    Funny. Nearly every place I’ve worked very specifically asks programmer interviewees specific programming questions, like “how would you solve this problem xyz?” (not a programmer, have no examples!). But not necessarily in writing, more in an interview-with-a-whiteboard setting. I wonder if that’s the loophole?

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    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Yes. The problem is that you can't do white board questions for cops, firefighters, or pretty much anybody else because of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co.
  90. gcochran says:
    @Alfa158
    "The (alt-)right rushes to Silicon Valley’s defense every time the latest diversity-inspired 2 Minute Hate breaks out,"
    That would be the cuck-right. The alt-right understands that the people who run the Silicon Valley internet centric companies are run by their enemies, and would not cross the street to piss on one of them if they were on fire.

    I would, but then I’m a nice guy.

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    Greg, you are, without question, a smart guy. However, this:

    but then I’m a nice guy
     
    makes me begin with a mild chuckle, then gradually work up to a dangerous shaking from laughter north of eight on the Richter, born of the intersection of surprise, astonishment and incredulity.

    You, sir, are a damned rascal.
  91. Anonym says:
    @International Jew
    Reminds me of a (short) book that's out there about great Jewish baseball players. The book is still on the top ten and already it's talking about guys that only played in the minors! An honest list of African American mathematicians would look like that. But of course we live in an age of institutionalized bullshit.

    I thought you were referring to the Airplane! gag but maybe not?

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  92. Cagey Beast says: • Website
    @Cagey Beast
    That reminds me of a tweet I bookmarked a while ago:

    Cécile Duflot: "Why, when women are extraordinary, do their stories end up forgotten? I'm sure you don't know of Marie Marvingt."

    Julien Rochedy: "Is it my fault The History of Women Philosophers is one of the thinnest books in my library?!"
     

    .@CecileDuflot Est-ce de ma faute si "L'histoire des femmes philosophes" est l'un des livres les plus fins de ma bibliothèque ?!
     

     

    It’s annoying having no idea how a comment that links to a tweet will appear in it’s final version. This is the photo I mentioned: http://imgur.com/a/iBIQW

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  93. @Jack D
    Because they have been assigned by their teachers to do reports on black scientists for Black History Month. The original idea was that black scientists, although not given due recognition in the past, really existed and could be great role models for black kids. They could also correct "misconceptions" by whites that blacks were only criminals and never made any useful contributions. But then it got morphed to the point where kids ONLY learn about black scientists.

    We see the same thing in TV commercials - in the past, expert figures (doctor,lawyer, banker, etc.) were always white, so to correct this we started casting blacks in these roles, until eventually most TV commercial experts were black or at least way more that the % of real life black professionals in these roles.

    Yes, I know.

    Perhaps I should have asked why boosting black kids self-esteem is not only more important than (a) accuracy and (b) non-black self-esteem but so important that it evidently completely crowds it out.

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  94. @tsotha

    SJWs complain about “white men”. My reporting chain is me (white man) > Indian man > Chinese woman > Indian man > white man > Indian man > Indian man (CEO).
     
    Which is fine, I suppose, until you decide you want to go into management. That is where, I suppose, you'd suddenly find it affecting your day to day work. Where I work there's a more-or-less official policy to heavily promote women and minorities, so the C suite is filled with white guys (from before the policy), and the lowest rank of management is filled with mostly white guys (drawn from a pool of technical people), but the ranks in between have only a tiny number of the most connected, capable, and charismatic white guys. The bulk is Indian men and (mostly white) women.

    In regard to all the Indians in management, I'm not surprised. My impression is there isn't much status in India for engineers and programmers, so immigrants from that country see technical jobs as a stepping stone to management and not a viable career in their own right. When middle management comes around trying to draft a manager the Indian guys are the only ones who volunteer. As a white guy, why the hell would I take a dead end management job?

    I’m with you buddy. I’ve spent years programming, not “software engineering”, and have turned down every chance I’ve had to go into management. It’s not like they were gonna pay me $250k to manage a bunch of cranky programmers plus have nothing else to do all day but got to meetings and write progress reports, etc.

    Screw that, I’m a coder. Watch me make this over grown adding machine dance.

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  95. snorlax says:
    @Abe

    I never thought Google was pushing diversity very hard at all and I’m really not sure why the author of the hate memo even wanted to fight that fight. Yes, the diversity cult is incredibly corrosive and literally has civilizational consequences at the national and international levels, but honestly, Google doesn’t seem to let all that diversity mumbo jumbo actually impede day-to-day business.
     
    Yes, which is why I leave Google to the tender mercies of its SJW pets. The (alt-)right rushes to Silicon Valley's defense every time the latest diversity-inspired 2 Minute Hate breaks out, only to reap its contempt and indifference after things go back to normal (let us not forget that Mitt Romney, about the best the GOP will ever do in cultivating an intelligent, classy, non-Bible thumping candidate for President, was not even SECOND when it came to snagging Google employee campaign contributions in 2012).

    That Google doesn't suffer any day-to-day consequences from the politically correct BS it acquiesces to is the problem. Let them eat their own dog food, I say! More female 'engineers' tucked away in do-nothing sinecures where they can't do any real harm to the company's cash-cow products? Nuts to that! The alt-right should be demanding Facebook-level reparations that will take years to ungunk, just like how it took the Fortune 500 years to come up with all those diversicrat positions which affirmative action hires are now all funneled into ('Chief Diversity Officer- the source and solution to all our social justice problems'). Equal commit rights for those who identity as female! Code reviews embody toxic patriarchal notions of software 'quality'. In fact, Google needs to one-up Facebook. From now on, half of all algorithms used should be the invention of someone other than a white cishet male! I'm sure some melanin-enriched computer science PhD candidate has something wonderful up his sleeve. Bubble-butt sort, perhaps?

    The problem with that is letting the SJWs have their way in the tech industry doesn’t hurt the top execs, or doesn’t hurt them nearly as much as it hurts any lowly peon foolish enough to publicly voice any opinion starboard of Hillary Clinton, when they aren’t just picking white [and/or] males to target at random.

    SJWs can easily end the careers and future employment prospects of peons like the hatememo author, but scalps become harder to get as they move higher on the food chain. The biggest they can manage is Travis Kalanick; Bezos, Elon, Zuck and Larry/Sergei are beyond their reach. And even Kalanick isn’t too inconvenienced, since he’s still a billionaire, unlike the peons who have to live in terror of being sent from Balboa Terrace to the bread line.

    In fact, at the top the SJW stuff actually benefits the bottom line, as Clark Westwood’s comment says better than I could. The SJWs went after Kalanick because Google’s hired a PR firm to wage a (continuing) negative press campaign against Uber — Google can easily weather all the SJW nonsense but even the biggest upstarts like Uber struggle to, and startups flat-out can’t.

    Plus it gives them much greater leverage when hiring and managing white males — “You’re lucky we aren’t giving your position to a Grrl Power Woman of Color, like we should! What else do you think your white male privilege entitles you to, hater?”

    Take note of how many SJW demands (ban salary negotiation, H1Bs=good / white Americans=bad, hire from outside the industry instead of promoting engineers to management) very conveniently align exactly with the execs’ interests.

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  96. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I wouldn’t exactly call a long string of blacks for American scientists, “Woke”, seems more blue pill.

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  97. @Alfa158
    I used to work for a Silicon Valley start-up that was financed and run by Asians and the attitude towards diversity was refreshingly honest. At it's height when the company had several hundred US employees, there was, by my count, 1 (one) Black employee and no noticeable Hispanics. The company hired strictly on merit, and seemed to think that the workforce of ruthlessly selected Whites and Asians was sufficiently diverse. I don't remember ever having to attend any training sessions on diversity or sensitivity during the years I worked there. The public documentation such as job opening notifications contained the legally required boilerplate clauses about equal opportunity with no regard for blah blah blah, but in this case, the company took that wording literally.
    It hired the best strictly on ability and even had an informal policy of weeding out the bottom few percentage performers every year. It was the only company I ever worked at in which the annual performance review rating had only three levels: Exceptional, Exceeds Expectations and Meets Expectations. There was no rating such as Needs Improvement or, Does not Meet Expectations. If that was your rating, you weren't there any more.
    It was like working in the gladiator school from Spartacus, with 80 hour work-weeks, but it was good training, and the stock options paid for a house in a really nice Whitopia, with money left over for investments and nice cars. The only thing I didn't like was writing the six digit checks to the IRS and California Tax board. I'd work somewhere like that again in a heartbeat.

    Why don’t you find some nice black lady and start your own company? The lady would of course,be your diversity pass.

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  98. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Clark Westwood

    I used to work for a Silicon Valley start-up that was financed and run by Asians and the attitude towards diversity was refreshingly honest. At it’s height when the company had several hundred US employees, there was, by my count, 1 (one) Black employee and no noticeable Hispanics.
     
    I think the key word there is "start-up." At some point, a company becomes large enough that it stops viewing artificial diversity as a burden and begins viewing it as a weapon. For the big boys, diversity is a club to beat their small potential competitors with. Google et al. can afford to employ a lot of diverse "workers" solely as window dressing, but start-up IT firm X cannot. Therefore, Google et al. are more than happy to comply with and ostentatiously support demands for more diversity throughout the industry.

    Problem with this idea is that even places where this type of competition isn’t an issue, such as in academia, you see this mad push for diversity.

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  99. @Anonym
    Do I get a Wachowski brother vibe from this? Yes, perhaps I do.

    Brin is attracted to women at least, this we know.

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x13zj4c

    In other news, Amanda Rosenberg is now depressed.

    What! Is this the best he could do?!

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  100. @peterike

    The Labor Department won’t let me (or anyone else) make up a simple written test because such test eliminates black applicants like bubonic plague eliminates those who carry fleas.

     

    Funny. Nearly every place I've worked very specifically asks programmer interviewees specific programming questions, like "how would you solve this problem xyz?" (not a programmer, have no examples!). But not necessarily in writing, more in an interview-with-a-whiteboard setting. I wonder if that's the loophole?

    Yes. The problem is that you can’t do white board questions for cops, firefighters, or pretty much anybody else because of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co.

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  101. eah says:

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    https://twitter.com/Mangan150/status/894725331734609920
  102. eah says:
    @eah
    https://twitter.com/BixterN/status/894719522686377985
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  103. snorlax says:
    @Jack D
    Even for a list of African American scientists, Google's list is kind of pathetic . Percy Lavon Julian was a chemist at the Glidden Paint Company. If he was white, he wouldn't even fall in the list of the top 1,000 scientists in American history. Just was a biologist whose area of expertise was getting fish eggs to hatch. Roger Arliner Young (a female) was a mentee (and girlfriend) of Just and her academic credentials were even more marginal than his. The rest are even bigger jokes - Jemison and Johnson aren't scientists at all.

    But this list does beat the list of computer scientists where, even scraping the bottom of the barrel, they couldn't come up with any. Or maybe this is an artifact of the search algorithm - no one gets assigned to do reports on "African American Computer Scientists" during Black History Month (because even by the low standards expected, there aren't any worth naming). "Female computer scientists" gets a somewhat plausible listing because there have in fact been some women involved in computer science, although if all of these women had never been born I don't think our world would be much different.

    There’s James Mickens of Harvard, formerly Microsoft Research, whom I’ve mentioned before as a black computer scientist I respect. He’s best known for being an entertaining speaker at conferences, but he’s also done serious work in distributed systems, which is among the most no-bullshit/g-loaded specialties within CS/software. It’s neither here nor there, but he also seems to have no interest in blackety-blackety-black stuff, and he appears to be a closet libertarian politically.

    And there’s Marcus Hutchins, aka MalwareTech, the cyberattack hero cum villain. I didn’t know he was black until his arrest last week. Anyway, he seems like quite a smart guy, if rather unwise.

    23andme says I’m 0.1% Sub-Saharan African, so by the one-drop rule I’ll add myself to the list.

    After that I’m drawing a blank.

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    23andme says I’m 0.1% Sub-Saharan African.
     
    23andme doesn't resolve accurately down to the .1% level. A friend had his 23andme come back 99.9 Ashkenazi Jewish and .1% Polynesian. Ain't no Polynesians in the shtetl.
    , @the cruncher
    > blacks in programming

    ...

    Gabriel Dos Reis, principle engineer at Microsoft, also works on GCC (a compiler): https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabriel-dos-reis-b111332/

    Charles Isbell, reinforcement learning (AI-ish) researcher at Georgia Tech:
    https://www.cc.gatech.edu/~isbell/

    They exist.
  104. turtle says:
    @PiltdownMan
    Unbelievable. It's seriously messed up. Josiah Gibbs is at the bottom of the list at fifty something, and even George Birkhoff and Paul Halmos, ranking at twenty something, are below Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber. Josiah Gibbs, who developed vector analysis, is at the end of the suggestions list, ranked at fifty something.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah_Willard_Gibbs

    In 1863, Yale awarded Gibbs the first American doctorate in engineering. After a three-year sojourn in Europe, Gibbs spent the rest of his career at Yale, where he was professor of mathematical physics from 1871 until his death. Working in relative isolation, he became the earliest theoretical scientist in the United States to earn an international reputation and was praised by Albert Einstein as “the greatest mind in American history”.[2] In 1901, Gibbs received what was then considered the highest honor awarded by the international scientific community, the Copley Medal of the Royal Society of London,[2] “for his contributions to mathematical physics”.

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    was praised by Albert Einstein as “the greatest mind in American history”
     
    He would.
  105. @dearieme
    I'm amused by the Einstein entry. The German/Swiss Einstein was the second greatest mathematical physicist ever, a yuge, yuge figure. The American Einstein was a post-scientist.

    The other white males are the Italian Fermi and the engineer Edison.

    I've no idea who the Persons of Hue are.

    The German/Swiss Einstein was the second greatest mathematical physicist ever, a yuge, yuge figure.

    And who was the greatest mathematical physicist ever?

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    Wealthy city near Boston. "Naples" in English. Fig cookie.
  106. @gcochran
    I would, but then I'm a nice guy.

    Greg, you are, without question, a smart guy. However, this:

    but then I’m a nice guy

    makes me begin with a mild chuckle, then gradually work up to a dangerous shaking from laughter north of eight on the Richter, born of the intersection of surprise, astonishment and incredulity.

    You, sir, are a damned rascal.

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  107. Jack D says:
    @snorlax
    There's James Mickens of Harvard, formerly Microsoft Research, whom I've mentioned before as a black computer scientist I respect. He's best known for being an entertaining speaker at conferences, but he's also done serious work in distributed systems, which is among the most no-bullshit/g-loaded specialties within CS/software. It's neither here nor there, but he also seems to have no interest in blackety-blackety-black stuff, and he appears to be a closet libertarian politically.

    And there's Marcus Hutchins, aka MalwareTech, the cyberattack hero cum villain. I didn't know he was black until his arrest last week. Anyway, he seems like quite a smart guy, if rather unwise.

    23andme says I'm 0.1% Sub-Saharan African, so by the one-drop rule I'll add myself to the list.

    After that I'm drawing a blank.

    23andme says I’m 0.1% Sub-Saharan African.

    23andme doesn’t resolve accurately down to the .1% level. A friend had his 23andme come back 99.9 Ashkenazi Jewish and .1% Polynesian. Ain’t no Polynesians in the shtetl.

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    I was joking there, but yes, it's not that accurate to any level in my experience. I "should" be 37.5% one ethnicity (all on my dad's side), but 23andme said I was only 8.5% that ethnicity, and 18.6% broader categories that include it. They correctly identified my dad's paternal-side cousin as a relative (and any earlier infidelities would've occurred in the old country) so the error is definitely on their end.
    , @snorlax
    It probably is just noise, but it is within the realm of possibility that your friend has a Kalmyk or Tatar ancestor that they misidentified. All the waves of nomad pillaging and raping from the east are the reason lots of E Euro gentiles (Charles Bronson) and Jews (Joseph Gordon-Levitt) have very Asian-looking features.
  108. snorlax says:
    @Jack D

    23andme says I’m 0.1% Sub-Saharan African.
     
    23andme doesn't resolve accurately down to the .1% level. A friend had his 23andme come back 99.9 Ashkenazi Jewish and .1% Polynesian. Ain't no Polynesians in the shtetl.

    I was joking there, but yes, it’s not that accurate to any level in my experience. I “should” be 37.5% one ethnicity (all on my dad’s side), but 23andme said I was only 8.5% that ethnicity, and 18.6% broader categories that include it. They correctly identified my dad’s paternal-side cousin as a relative (and any earlier infidelities would’ve occurred in the old country) so the error is definitely on their end.

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  109. snorlax says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The German/Swiss Einstein was the second greatest mathematical physicist ever, a yuge, yuge figure.
     
    And who was the greatest mathematical physicist ever?

    Wealthy city near Boston. “Naples” in English. Fig cookie.

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  110. @anonymous
    Search results often seem like manipulated pari-mutuel betting to drive up or down odds, or salting the mine to induce speculators, or having a thumb on the scale. You get the drift.

    In other words, they can be whatever someone with enough juice decides they want them to be. Truth disappeared only to be replaced by 'truth' and then by "truth".

    Sic transit gloria mundi.

    Googlers have been showing up in /pol/ more often nowadays, and one said that it was an open secret on campus that people were doing ‘black hat’ seo from the inside. You may be not wrong.

    Click around the thread, judge the guy’s credibility for yourself:

    https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/135436261#p135441506

    (archived version)

    http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/135436261/#135441506

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  111. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    Google "Germans"

    Done: I got some black guys, some Muslims, some Nazis, and quite a few busty young women in dirndls.

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  112. Lurker says:
    @Goatweed
    Is there a list of black computer scientists in movies?

    Or, shorter list, non-black computer scientists in movies?

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  113. @Paul Jolliffe
    One look at this guy and I can't get the annoying Jeff Goldblum character from any of his movies out of my head.

    http://www.celebritycarsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/Jeff-Goldblum.jpg

    One look at this guy and I can’t get the annoying Jeff Goldblum character from any of his movies out of my head.

    Now that you mention it, the resemblance is striking. Even more so in this picture.

    https://tribzap2it.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/jeff-goldblum-gi.jpg?w=900

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  114. Olorin says:
    @turtle
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah_Willard_Gibbs

    In 1863, Yale awarded Gibbs the first American doctorate in engineering. After a three-year sojourn in Europe, Gibbs spent the rest of his career at Yale, where he was professor of mathematical physics from 1871 until his death. Working in relative isolation, he became the earliest theoretical scientist in the United States to earn an international reputation and was praised by Albert Einstein as "the greatest mind in American history".[2] In 1901, Gibbs received what was then considered the highest honor awarded by the international scientific community, the Copley Medal of the Royal Society of London,[2] "for his contributions to mathematical physics".

    was praised by Albert Einstein as “the greatest mind in American history”

    He would.

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  115. anonguy says:

    Gosh, you guys are all such goobers on this issue, been hearing about it since forever on this blog.

    And the answer is of course cross-pollination because of searches on African American

    Ockham’s razor.

    Say, I got an idea. How about we isolate that variable and use some other term that wouldn’t have cross-pollination potential, but means the same thing as america.

    Geez, what could that be… thinking….

    Oh yeah. USA

    Try it you clowns, google USA scientists and then backfit the results into the various emerging conspiracy theories. Hopefully, the results will convince you guys that you’ve all cognitively tunneled into an apophenic mirage.

    And you then quit wasting time on this.

    I can’t believe this has gone on this long, kind of a disgrace that I have to finally step in and clear this up.

    Those aren’t SJWs in your cornflakes.

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    If you've been hearing about it that long, you've had ample opportunity to notice that about a billion "goobers" on here have made your exact argument.
  116. @Anon
    Somebody who's a mathematician needs to create a list and post it online just to the show the non-mathematicians who's important in the history of the field, because the non-mathematicians have no clue who the important people are. This weakness means the ignorant become easy to swindle with PC nonsense and other propoganda.

    To create truth, you have to put truth out there. The PC crowd understands this, which is why they're constantly churning out a wall of lying propoganda in their attempt to rewrite history. The Alt-Right hasn't really figured out that to counter this, they have to start laying out the truth for the public themselves.

    Even from the viewpoint of gender diversity, the list fails, because Emmy Noether is nowhere to be seen on a list of fifty-odd American mathematicians. You are right. Someone needs to create a canonical list.

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  117. guest says:
    @anonguy
    Gosh, you guys are all such goobers on this issue, been hearing about it since forever on this blog.

    And the answer is of course cross-pollination because of searches on African American

    Ockham's razor.

    Say, I got an idea. How about we isolate that variable and use some other term that wouldn't have cross-pollination potential, but means the same thing as america.

    Geez, what could that be... thinking....

    Oh yeah. USA

    Try it you clowns, google USA scientists and then backfit the results into the various emerging conspiracy theories. Hopefully, the results will convince you guys that you've all cognitively tunneled into an apophenic mirage.

    And you then quit wasting time on this.

    I can't believe this has gone on this long, kind of a disgrace that I have to finally step in and clear this up.

    Those aren't SJWs in your cornflakes.

    If you’ve been hearing about it that long, you’ve had ample opportunity to notice that about a billion “goobers” on here have made your exact argument.

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    In all fairness, I've only been on this issue for a minute or two.

    My next line of inquiry might give some ammunition to the conspiracy theorists, it is ambiguous at first and trivial examination:

    https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%22african%20american%20scientists%22,%22american%20scientists%22,%22usa%20scientists%22

    Examine the data, make your own interpretation both for/against directed retconning. Which is more plausible?

    Lots more data to examine, these are only two data points, blindingly obvious ones to the most casual of observers IMO. You guys think of more and start having an intelligent fact-based discussion.

    Nice to have something better than hand-waving arguments, whichever way the chips fall, no?

    , @anonguy
    And then, google "american inventors", don't forget the quotes. We all know that quotes fundamentally changes search results.

    This one goes against the conspiracy theorists.

    Only been on this less than five minutes guys. I honestly have zero interest in the issue; rather, I hate to see iSteve commenters mired in superstitious thinking patterns rather than operating according to the principles of Western logic/science which they so mightily espouse and to which they claim to be the intellectual heirs.

    Eat your own dog food, please, and save yourselves from charges of hypocrisy.

  118. anonguy says:

    If you’ve been hearing about it that long, you’ve had ample opportunity to notice that about a billion “goobers” on here have made your exact argument.

    Well, I guess a billion goobers have cried in vain. One hopes the billion and oneth does better and puts this idiocy to rest.

    Oh, and FYI, it isn’t an argument. It is a demonstrable/repeatable falsification of a theory. Furthermore, USA is a term that is even more accurate than American as it refers to the specific nation in question whose history is supposedly being retconned. American can refer to continental/regional things, is a vaguer term.

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  119. anonguy says:
    @guest
    If you've been hearing about it that long, you've had ample opportunity to notice that about a billion "goobers" on here have made your exact argument.

    In all fairness, I’ve only been on this issue for a minute or two.

    My next line of inquiry might give some ammunition to the conspiracy theorists, it is ambiguous at first and trivial examination:

    https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%22african%20american%20scientists%22,%22american%20scientists%22,%22usa%20scientists%22

    Examine the data, make your own interpretation both for/against directed retconning. Which is more plausible?

    Lots more data to examine, these are only two data points, blindingly obvious ones to the most casual of observers IMO. You guys think of more and start having an intelligent fact-based discussion.

    Nice to have something better than hand-waving arguments, whichever way the chips fall, no?

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    I thought my comment 32 covered this pretty well (pardon my link formatting error there)? http://www.unz.com/isteve/googles-rotten-core-of-american-computer-scientists/#comment-1959309

    I'm not seeing any searches for "USA scientists" in your link. Am I missing something?

    Above I only went back 5 years. Going all the way back to 2004 makes things even more interesting. In 2004 both the "African American Scientists" peak and the "American Scientists" baseline were much higher than at present. I wonder if this is real or an artifact of algorithm tuning. Any explanations for why there would be such a steep decline in search interest for these terms (about a factor of 6 from 2004 to present) over time? The only explanations I see are algorithmic or the popularization of the internet (e.g. this kind of search being swamped by "Kardashians!").

  120. anonguy says:
    @guest
    If you've been hearing about it that long, you've had ample opportunity to notice that about a billion "goobers" on here have made your exact argument.

    And then, google “american inventors”, don’t forget the quotes. We all know that quotes fundamentally changes search results.

    This one goes against the conspiracy theorists.

    Only been on this less than five minutes guys. I honestly have zero interest in the issue; rather, I hate to see iSteve commenters mired in superstitious thinking patterns rather than operating according to the principles of Western logic/science which they so mightily espouse and to which they claim to be the intellectual heirs.

    Eat your own dog food, please, and save yourselves from charges of hypocrisy.

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  121. @snorlax
    There's James Mickens of Harvard, formerly Microsoft Research, whom I've mentioned before as a black computer scientist I respect. He's best known for being an entertaining speaker at conferences, but he's also done serious work in distributed systems, which is among the most no-bullshit/g-loaded specialties within CS/software. It's neither here nor there, but he also seems to have no interest in blackety-blackety-black stuff, and he appears to be a closet libertarian politically.

    And there's Marcus Hutchins, aka MalwareTech, the cyberattack hero cum villain. I didn't know he was black until his arrest last week. Anyway, he seems like quite a smart guy, if rather unwise.

    23andme says I'm 0.1% Sub-Saharan African, so by the one-drop rule I'll add myself to the list.

    After that I'm drawing a blank.

    > blacks in programming

    Gabriel Dos Reis, principle engineer at Microsoft, also works on GCC (a compiler): https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabriel-dos-reis-b111332/

    Charles Isbell, reinforcement learning (AI-ish) researcher at Georgia Tech:

    https://www.cc.gatech.edu/~isbell/

    They exist.

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    I had a black computer programmer boss in the 1980s, Trey. Good guy.
    , @snorlax

    Gabriel Dos Reis
     
    Yes, forgot about him, which was silly of me because we’ve interacted online a few times.
  122. @the cruncher
    > blacks in programming

    ...

    Gabriel Dos Reis, principle engineer at Microsoft, also works on GCC (a compiler): https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabriel-dos-reis-b111332/

    Charles Isbell, reinforcement learning (AI-ish) researcher at Georgia Tech:
    https://www.cc.gatech.edu/~isbell/

    They exist.

    I had a black computer programmer boss in the 1980s, Trey. Good guy.

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    • Replies: @James Richard
    Likewise. I worked with a very astute African-American manager that led the DB2 team at a major bank and we worked to get thirty years and tens of thousands of lines worth of unmaintainable spaghetti Cobol code and IMS data structures out of the dark ages. I also had a contract with another federal supervisor who knew his limitations and I helped him by re-writing/re-factoring his less than optimal previous efforts on an important electrical engineering application and for which he was grateful. Both were family men of calm and even disposition who stood up for their direct reports and were excellent software development managers with a keen nose for productive talent, unlike many a hotshot engineer who gets promoted way above their competency level.
  123. res says:
    @anonguy
    In all fairness, I've only been on this issue for a minute or two.

    My next line of inquiry might give some ammunition to the conspiracy theorists, it is ambiguous at first and trivial examination:

    https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%22african%20american%20scientists%22,%22american%20scientists%22,%22usa%20scientists%22

    Examine the data, make your own interpretation both for/against directed retconning. Which is more plausible?

    Lots more data to examine, these are only two data points, blindingly obvious ones to the most casual of observers IMO. You guys think of more and start having an intelligent fact-based discussion.

    Nice to have something better than hand-waving arguments, whichever way the chips fall, no?

    I thought my comment 32 covered this pretty well (pardon my link formatting error there)? http://www.unz.com/isteve/googles-rotten-core-of-american-computer-scientists/#comment-1959309

    I’m not seeing any searches for “USA scientists” in your link. Am I missing something?

    Above I only went back 5 years. Going all the way back to 2004 makes things even more interesting. In 2004 both the “African American Scientists” peak and the “American Scientists” baseline were much higher than at present. I wonder if this is real or an artifact of algorithm tuning. Any explanations for why there would be such a steep decline in search interest for these terms (about a factor of 6 from 2004 to present) over time? The only explanations I see are algorithmic or the popularization of the internet (e.g. this kind of search being swamped by “Kardashians!”).

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  124. @Steve Sailer
    I had a black computer programmer boss in the 1980s, Trey. Good guy.

    Likewise. I worked with a very astute African-American manager that led the DB2 team at a major bank and we worked to get thirty years and tens of thousands of lines worth of unmaintainable spaghetti Cobol code and IMS data structures out of the dark ages. I also had a contract with another federal supervisor who knew his limitations and I helped him by re-writing/re-factoring his less than optimal previous efforts on an important electrical engineering application and for which he was grateful. Both were family men of calm and even disposition who stood up for their direct reports and were excellent software development managers with a keen nose for productive talent, unlike many a hotshot engineer who gets promoted way above their competency level.

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  125. snorlax says:
    @the cruncher
    > blacks in programming

    ...

    Gabriel Dos Reis, principle engineer at Microsoft, also works on GCC (a compiler): https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabriel-dos-reis-b111332/

    Charles Isbell, reinforcement learning (AI-ish) researcher at Georgia Tech:
    https://www.cc.gatech.edu/~isbell/

    They exist.

    Gabriel Dos Reis

    Yes, forgot about him, which was silly of me because we’ve interacted online a few times.

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  126. snorlax says:
    @Jack D

    23andme says I’m 0.1% Sub-Saharan African.
     
    23andme doesn't resolve accurately down to the .1% level. A friend had his 23andme come back 99.9 Ashkenazi Jewish and .1% Polynesian. Ain't no Polynesians in the shtetl.

    It probably is just noise, but it is within the realm of possibility that your friend has a Kalmyk or Tatar ancestor that they misidentified. All the waves of nomad pillaging and raping from the east are the reason lots of E Euro gentiles (Charles Bronson) and Jews (Joseph Gordon-Levitt) have very Asian-looking features.

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