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From Bloomberg:

Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo
By Mark Bergen and Ellen Huet
August 7, 2017, 6:21 PM PDT

Engineer wrote memo blasting “politically correct monoculture”

Alphabet Inc.’s Google has fired an employee who wrote an internal memo blasting the web company’s diversity policies, creating a firestorm across Silicon Valley.

James Damore, the Google engineer who wrote the note, confirmed his dismissal in an email, saying that he had been fired for “perpetuating gender stereotypes.” …

Ex-Google employee James Damore was a doctoral student in Systems Biology at Harvard before being hired by Google.

Obviously, he is ignorant about what Science says about males and females and should try reading a book for once in his life. LOL!!

[UPDATE: I'm now not sure if he completed his Ph.D. at Harvard before going to work at Google. Does anybody know?]

Seriously, here is Damore’s memo at DiversityMemo.com, including most of his supporting links and graphs.

The memo and surrounding debate comes as Google fends off a lawsuit from the U.S. Department of Labor alleging the company systemically discriminates against women.

More Late Obama Age Collapse. The lawsuit was filed January 4, 2017 by the Obama Administration after the Democrats had extracted all the help they could get from Google in the lost election.

Of course, what’s in it for the Trump Administration to undo the Obama Administration’s disparate impact lawsuit against Google?

P.S., What’s tomorrow’s Google Doodle going to look like?

 
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  1. eah says:

    Probably. Or soon.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    What are the odds that the fat one with blue hair voted for Trump? 1 in 1,000,000? 1,000,000,000? I am totally sure she gives an equally fair hearing to leftist and rightist videos and judges them by the same objective standards.
    , @Desiderius
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tym0MObFpTI
    , @Altai
    Fortunately none of those work there except the normal looking woman in front. If I recall this was one of Googles face-saving outreach programmes where they have a little self-important conference with these SJWs (Anita Sarkessian and the woman currently known as Zoe Quinn) on making the internet more 'safe' (Read: censored of people talking back to provocative political content espoused by a woman or man who thinks he is a woman). But I don't know how much they implemented (Remember the media hype was so intense those two made it all the way to the UN!) and how much was hyper signalling during GamerGate which was regarded by the internets as serious business that one had to pick a side on. But just the idea that they'd host that crew of crazies is deeply disturbing.

    Similar to how Google gave Clock-boy a place at their exclusive summer camp for gifted kids despite knowing full well he wasn't quite in the same league as the others.

    , @Nico
    I don't wonder. It's the THOT police.
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  2. Anon7 says:

    Sure, we know companies get rid of employees for perpetuating gender stereotypes… but can you actually get fired for perpetuating gender stereotypes?

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    • Replies: @Eagle Eye

    can you actually get fired for perpetuating gender stereotypes?
     
    Ironically, the ex-employee now has an iron-clad case against Google - for sex discrimination.

    A woman writing exactly the same memo would obviously NOT have been fired. Ergo - sex discrimination! Kah-ching!
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  3. They said that if DRUMPF got elected we’d have scientists silenced just for speaking out against the grain, and they were right!

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  4. Clyde says:

    Rebels of Google: ‘Senior Leaders Focus on Diversity First and Technology Second’ (hot off the Breitbart presses)

    Breitbart News is now exclusively publishing a series of interviews with Google employees who contacted us in the wake of the manifesto’s publication to confirm its allegations.

    The interview series, entitled “Rebels of Google,” will be published in full over the coming days. Because every employee who spoke to us fears for their job if their identities were made public, we have provided aliases in place of their real names.

    In the first interview of the series, a Google employee (alias “Hal”) speaks of witch-hunts and intolerance at Google, as well as dysfunction at the company’s upper echelons.

    Hal began the interview with a statement about Google:

    Hal: Witch hunts are a well-known cultural problem at Google. The company is currently facing a Federal complaint filed by the National Labor Relations Board in April for interfering with employees’ legal right to discuss “workplace diversity and social justice initiatives.” The complaint alleges that Senior Vice President Urs Holzle and numerous managers in his organization actively stoked up witch hunts in 2015 and 2016 intended to muzzle low-level employees who raised concerns about the company’s practices. The trial is set for November.

    Several managers have openly admitted to keeping blacklists of the employees in question, and preventing them from seeking work at other companies. There have been numerous cases in which social justice activists coordinated attempts to sabotage other employees’ performance reviews for expressing a different opinion.

    http://http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/08/07/the-google-rebels-diversity-first-technology-second/

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    Google is not alone in blacklisting employees. With luck, the revelations will spark much dialog, even a conversation or two, and then a kumbaya chorus or two to find out who they really are. Count me as one having minimal interaction with the evil empire.
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  5. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    It’s important to set examples.

    In another example of Obama Age Collapse, Amherst College has changed its mascot. Out with the Lord Jeffs and in with the … mammoths.

    In January 2016, the college decided to stop referencing their longtime unofficial moniker, Lord Jeff, amid student protests over the eponymous 18th-century British general’s advocacy of using of smallpox as germ warfare against Native Americans.

    Another blow dealt to the racist patriarchy.

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    • Replies: @Ex-banker
    Would be funny if someone started a anti-Indian mascot movement based on the savagery of the Indians.
    , @ganderson
    Old news. I'd bet not one in 10 people on the Amherst campus ( I have some knowledge, as I live around the corner) could tell you anything about Jeffrey Amherst other than "diseased blankets". And the new name is "Mammoths!" Problematic for two reasons, A. It's a stupid name, and B There is already an elephant themed nickname in the NESCAC; the Tufts Jumbos.
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  6. Jack D says:

    To the Google employee that posted here earlier:

    Please be careful. Please take steps to ensure that you are not doxxed. Never ever ever post from a work computer or from a google wifi network. Don’t do google searches or visit unz.com or any other “Neo-Nazi” site other than from anonymous browser sessions on a non-google browser. This only touches the surface of the steps you should be taking. Your friend the internet will suggest further steps. You cannot be paranoid enough about this – Big Brother IS watching you. They will not hesitate to throw you as a bone to the baying SJW hounds in a NY minute. We would love to hear more from you but we would understand if you disappeared and never posted another word here again.

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    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @Clyde
    I have a relative that lives in yr area who has a good gubbermint job. Due to office politics he has been kinda shunted aside so he has time on his hands but cannot be fired. I told his family to get him a tablet or laptop and connect via cellular networks. They did this.
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  7. Clyde says:

    That firing was very fast. Did googoo ask the NSA to help out? Semi-joking.
    I am hoping and thinking that the now famous||infamous Dr. James Damore will land on his feet, be hired by someone righteous and unafraid.

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    • Replies: @Thea
    Just like James Watson, Tim Hunt, Nicholas Wade, & Jason Richwine?
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  8. Luke Lea says:

    Does Damore have grounds for a suit?

    Said the Google CEO :”It is contrary to our basic values and our Code of Conduct, which expects “each Googler to do their utmost to create a workplace culture that is free of harassment, intimidation, bias and unlawful discrimination.”

    So how do you characterize what happened to Damore?

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    • Replies: @gman
    CNBC had an article on that today

    From the article:

    First, federal labor law bars even non-union employers like Google from punishing an employee for communicating with fellow employees about improving working conditions. The purpose of the memo was to persuade Google to abandon certain diversity-related practices the engineer found objectionable and to convince co-workers to join his cause, or at least discuss the points he raised.

    Second, the engineer's memo largely is a statement of his political views as they apply to workplace policies. The memo is styled as a lament to "Google's Ideological Echo Chamber." California law prohibits employers from threatening to fire employees to get them to adopt or refrain from adopting a particular political course of action.

    Third, the engineer complained in parts of his memo about company policies that he believes violate employment discrimination laws...In other words, the engineer doesn't have to be right that some of Google's diversity initiatives are unlawful, only that he reasonably believes that they are.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/07/it-may-be-illegal-for-google-to-punish-engineer-over-anti-diversity-memo-commentary.html

    , @hhsiii
    I characterize it as unfuckingbelievable. I knew it, and yet I didn't know it. This is so clear a case of violating freedom of thought and speech that if Google isn't forced under public pressure to offer this guy his job back then we have passed a rubicon. What assholes. And how sad. I'm passed infruriated. Shocked. I get why some companies cave. These fuckers don't have to. They want to.
    , @Gman
    He is exploring all legal remedies
    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/07/fired-google-employee-behind-anti-diversity-memo-says-hes-exploring-all-possible-legal-remedies.html
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  9. Honest men get brutalized in the short term, but Providence has a way of working things out. Kudos to James Damore for showing us the money.

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    • Replies: @FKA Max
    You are right on the money...

    The official state motto of Rhode Island is simply “Hope.” The state motto appears on the great seal and flag of Rhode Island.

    The use of the word “Hope” was probably inspired by the biblical phrase “hope we have as an anchor of the soul.”
     
    - http://www.unz.com/pgottfried/eastern-european-jews-and-the-case-of-the-marginalized-elite/#comment-1861320

    Providence by Drone in 4K

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ-g6DpBsAs
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  10. from the article

    “Danielle Brown, Google’s new vice president for diversity, integrity and governance”

    I wonder what she does all day………..

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    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I wonder what she does all day………..
     
    We know that she does NOT frequent the office suite of Eric Schmidt frequently at all; and we know that there she NEVER is found bending over and grabbing her ankles for Eric or Sergey or anybody else. We can BE SURE about that. Because she is an SJW superhero, you know.
    , @guest
    "I wonder what she does all day..."

    Spirit cooking.
    , @Mr. Anon

    from the article

    “Danielle Brown, Google’s new vice president for diversity, integrity and governance”

    I wonder what she does all day………..
     

    Sits next to the guillotine, knitting.
    , @Rod1963
    She is the last person anyone at Google wants to see, especially if they are a white male or some Bombay drone.
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  11. O'Really says:

    Gizmodo stripped out the hyperlinks when they published the memo. The website diversitymemo.com has managed to obtain and re-insert many (most? all?) of the original hyperlinks to the supporting scientific literature. Ironically, these studies might be useful to Google as they fight the Dept. of Labor lawsuit.

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  12. Dr. X says:

    Alphabet Inc.’s Google has fired an employee who wrote an internal memo blasting the web company’s diversity policies, creating a firestorm across Silicon Valley.

    James Damore, the Google engineer who wrote the note, confirmed his dismissal in an email, saying that he had been fired for “perpetuating gender stereotypes.” …

    Ex-Google employee Dr. James Damore has a Ph.D. in Systems Biology from Harvard.

    Let me tell you people something in no uncertain terms. This stuff actually happens… It’s not just a bunch of silliness that you read about on the Internet. It happened to me over a decade ago, and my “career” (hah!) has never recovered. Nor will it.

    If you are a white man and you, in any way, piss off the protected groups — blacks, gays, women, Jews, transgendered, etc. — you’re done. If you haven’t done anything criminal or otherwise actually wrong, they WILL invent things to use against you, and will rely on the subjective clauses in the Employee Handbook about collegiality, decorum, “code of conduct,” or what-have-you.

    And your credentials, no matter how superior they may be, will mean NOTHING. In fact, it is pretty much a given that the people who will axe you will have far lower credentials than you do.

    I’ve said it many times and I will say it again: this kind of thing is what happened in the Soviet Union. Certainly it was far worse in the USSR, and the penalties were greater (death, or 20 years in gulag) but the basic dynamic and the psychology involved is the same.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous

    I’ve said it many times and I will say it again: this kind of thing is what happened in the Soviet Union. Certainly it was far worse in the USSR, and the penalties were greater (death, or 20 years in gulag)
     
    No, it was not far worse in the USSR. At least, in the last 25 years of its existence it wasn't. It was exactly the same as here: you'd be fired and blacklisted.
    , @JackOH
    Agree. I've commented recently it's my judgment that many folks underestimate the power of the pop philosophies that undergird SJWs, and, likewise, their ineffectively challenged prominence within the Zeitgeist, and actual laws that favor them. Also, it's too glib by half to believe a successful legal action by Damore against Google will result in much of anything absent popular and elite championing of his cause.
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  13. Clyde says:
    @Jack D
    To the Google employee that posted here earlier:

    Please be careful. Please take steps to ensure that you are not doxxed. Never ever ever post from a work computer or from a google wifi network. Don't do google searches or visit unz.com or any other "Neo-Nazi" site other than from anonymous browser sessions on a non-google browser. This only touches the surface of the steps you should be taking. Your friend the internet will suggest further steps. You cannot be paranoid enough about this - Big Brother IS watching you. They will not hesitate to throw you as a bone to the baying SJW hounds in a NY minute. We would love to hear more from you but we would understand if you disappeared and never posted another word here again.

    I have a relative that lives in yr area who has a good gubbermint job. Due to office politics he has been kinda shunted aside so he has time on his hands but cannot be fired. I told his family to get him a tablet or laptop and connect via cellular networks. They did this.

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  14. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    1. Truth is only allowed in reference to Things.

    2. Lies are mandatory in reference to People.

    No 1 was established only after a massive 500 year war in the West. Read the debates about the Vacuum for example. No 1 gives Google its market cap. The people who create that value, being people, must be put down with lies and InDUHviduals like the CEO rake away the riches.

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  15. Arclight says:

    Obviously this heretic had to be expelled, lest his ideas infect the 72,000 other Google employees.

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  16. Since it’s the males at Google who are acting hysterically, maybe Damore is wrong?

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    He's wrong about several things, but wrong is just another word for "a good start" if the process he follows is allowed to continue.

    It was not, and that is where Google has failed and, as importantly, was understood to have failed.

    , @whorefinder
    White knights.
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  17. Of course, what’s in it for the Trump Administration to undo the Obama Administration’s disparate impact lawsuit against Google?

    Truth, justice, and the American way.

    Hit them with anti-trust instead. Mercilessly enough to terrify the other SJWs, then a bit more for good measure.

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  18. gman says:
    @Luke Lea
    Does Damore have grounds for a suit?

    Said the Google CEO :"It is contrary to our basic values and our Code of Conduct, which expects “each Googler to do their utmost to create a workplace culture that is free of harassment, intimidation, bias and unlawful discrimination.”

    So how do you characterize what happened to Damore?

    CNBC had an article on that today

    From the article:

    First, federal labor law bars even non-union employers like Google from punishing an employee for communicating with fellow employees about improving working conditions. The purpose of the memo was to persuade Google to abandon certain diversity-related practices the engineer found objectionable and to convince co-workers to join his cause, or at least discuss the points he raised.

    Second, the engineer’s memo largely is a statement of his political views as they apply to workplace policies. The memo is styled as a lament to “Google’s Ideological Echo Chamber.” California law prohibits employers from threatening to fire employees to get them to adopt or refrain from adopting a particular political course of action.

    Third, the engineer complained in parts of his memo about company policies that he believes violate employment discrimination laws…In other words, the engineer doesn’t have to be right that some of Google’s diversity initiatives are unlawful, only that he reasonably believes that they are.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/07/it-may-be-illegal-for-google-to-punish-engineer-over-anti-diversity-memo-commentary.html

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    • Replies: @yyrvjh
    Seeing as Dr. D's "screed" was laced with sops to liberal lore (such as "global warming" LOL), likely he is the easily intimidated type. They probably told him, here's one year's salary as severance, and we're being generous to offer that much, sign on the dotted line or be fired and receive nothing, and he did.
    , @Jack D
    Google has enough money to hire armies of lawyers from the top law firms in the country and to fight this case all the way to the Supreme Court. Damore - not so much. Unless Damore can find some right wing sugar daddy to fund his case, he has zero chance of taking on Google in court. They will smother any suit he files in an incredible blizzard of paperwork and discovery and appeals and briefs, etc.
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  19. Clyde says:

    Steve — This/your entry is already up at Bing news search but not via a googoo news search/ I use Bing and only resort to googoo for difficult searches of anything. screw googoo

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  20. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Welcome to the Goolag. Google Cabal or Goobal goes all out to create Gootopia where you gotta
    mentally Goosestep to PC.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    You nailed it -- "Goglag"
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  21. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Off-topic. Congratulations to Baltimore for being the first American city to celebrate Black Lives Matters Day on August 7th, 2017. According to the Baltimore Sun, 211 Baltimoreans were murdered in 2014; Baltimore reached that tally earlier today. From here on out, the lives don’t matter.

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    • Replies: @eah
    They weren't stolen, they're just "missing" -- someone please file 440 missing bike reports.

    https://twitter.com/RealDoctorWhite/status/894708758873489408

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  22. Jack D says:

    Employee: Google maintains an atmosphere of political groupthink, in which employees with viewpoints that challenge leftist narratives are forced to keep their mouths shut for fear of losing their jobs.

    Google: You are completely wrong about this. Google employees are completely free to speak their minds (as long as they express standard left-liberal P.O.V’s). The full spectrum of political views (from Maoist to Bernie Bro to Hillary supporter) is permitted at Google. Of course we cannot permit outright heretics to live in our midst – that crosses the line. To prove how open minded we are, we’re firing you.

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    • LOL: Johann Ricke, Forbes
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  23. yyrvjh says:
    @gman
    CNBC had an article on that today

    From the article:

    First, federal labor law bars even non-union employers like Google from punishing an employee for communicating with fellow employees about improving working conditions. The purpose of the memo was to persuade Google to abandon certain diversity-related practices the engineer found objectionable and to convince co-workers to join his cause, or at least discuss the points he raised.

    Second, the engineer's memo largely is a statement of his political views as they apply to workplace policies. The memo is styled as a lament to "Google's Ideological Echo Chamber." California law prohibits employers from threatening to fire employees to get them to adopt or refrain from adopting a particular political course of action.

    Third, the engineer complained in parts of his memo about company policies that he believes violate employment discrimination laws...In other words, the engineer doesn't have to be right that some of Google's diversity initiatives are unlawful, only that he reasonably believes that they are.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/07/it-may-be-illegal-for-google-to-punish-engineer-over-anti-diversity-memo-commentary.html

    Seeing as Dr. D’s “screed” was laced with sops to liberal lore (such as “global warming” LOL), likely he is the easily intimidated type. They probably told him, here’s one year’s salary as severance, and we’re being generous to offer that much, sign on the dotted line or be fired and receive nothing, and he did.

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    If by "the easily intimidated type", you mean the type of man willing to fight the most powerful corporation in history, I agree. ROTFL
    , @Jack Hanson
    I'm pretty sure it's called knowing your audience.

    I know some of the AR Internet Templars here who haven't stuck a thumb into the eye of the SJW hive mind think he should have opened with the 16 points of the AR, but considering the intended recipients it was fine.
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  24. Jack D says:
    @gman
    CNBC had an article on that today

    From the article:

    First, federal labor law bars even non-union employers like Google from punishing an employee for communicating with fellow employees about improving working conditions. The purpose of the memo was to persuade Google to abandon certain diversity-related practices the engineer found objectionable and to convince co-workers to join his cause, or at least discuss the points he raised.

    Second, the engineer's memo largely is a statement of his political views as they apply to workplace policies. The memo is styled as a lament to "Google's Ideological Echo Chamber." California law prohibits employers from threatening to fire employees to get them to adopt or refrain from adopting a particular political course of action.

    Third, the engineer complained in parts of his memo about company policies that he believes violate employment discrimination laws...In other words, the engineer doesn't have to be right that some of Google's diversity initiatives are unlawful, only that he reasonably believes that they are.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/07/it-may-be-illegal-for-google-to-punish-engineer-over-anti-diversity-memo-commentary.html

    Google has enough money to hire armies of lawyers from the top law firms in the country and to fight this case all the way to the Supreme Court. Damore – not so much. Unless Damore can find some right wing sugar daddy to fund his case, he has zero chance of taking on Google in court. They will smother any suit he files in an incredible blizzard of paperwork and discovery and appeals and briefs, etc.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Google can't let it get to discovery though.
    , @Anon
    Peter Thiel
    , @snorlax
    Google would also find some excuse to introduce during discovery Damore's 1. entire Google search history, 2. entire Chrome & Android browser history, 3. entire Gmail history, 4. entire work internet/email/IM history, 5. entire contents of all work computer hard drives and backups.

    Then all the most salacious and controversial tidbits would mysteriously leak to the national media.

    Actually that's soft-pedaling the leverage Google holds over a person, when they have a legal excuse to de-anonymize the data they've collected on that person. As a tech-savvy Millennial man he's presumably spent a great deal of time watching online porn. Better hope not one of the performers was lying about being 18.
    , @Marty
    Despite their ability to throw up a blizzard of paper, Big-Law's management side employment lawyers have been losing employment cases in California to underfunded and then-unknown plaintiff's lawyers ever since this area of law sprung into bring in 1981. I myself happened to be in the courtroom during parts of the first-ever "wrongful discharge" case, won by a firm of young nobodies against IBM in San Francisco in '82. No, the problem for Damore won't be the ferocity of the defense, but theseemingly ubiquitous acceptance of "disparate impact" theory by bench and bar, i.e. Including by plaintiffs' lawyers, who in a different context would be champing at the bit. Who's the greatest trial lawyer ever? Did he ever have a case where if he won, he'd never get laid again?
    , @Autochthon
    You do not understand anything about law if you think things work in this way. By your lights no litigant could ever possibly prevail against any large corporation or the government, yet it happens every day.

    Google, Inc. have shit the bed, for the reasons involving protections to workers communicatig about working conditions already cited. I nyself have often (half?) jokingly suggested working to unionise employees just for spite (as the effort would doubtless prove futile) to the Man, and pointed out to my friends that there's fuck all the Man could do about it because of those protections, though the Man would be seething with impotent rage at me.

    Google, Inc. may have an army of lawyers, but I don't know that the managers are listening to them, or whether they are that bright in the first instance. The upcoming events should be very interesting. (The fired employee did not accept a pay-off, and he has already explicitly stated he is considering legal action; he is a clever, brave man and I wish him Godspeed.)
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  25. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Also Free Sheriff Joe!!!!!!!!

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  26. Jack D says:
    @eah
    Probably. Or soon.

    https://twitter.com/THauerBYI/status/893868004303400963

    What are the odds that the fat one with blue hair voted for Trump? 1 in 1,000,000? 1,000,000,000? I am totally sure she gives an equally fair hearing to leftist and rightist videos and judges them by the same objective standards.

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    • Replies: @snorlax
    I think Justine Tunney, who appears to somehow still be employed at Google, had blue hair at one point.

    I'd give you 1-to-10,000 the one in the photo voted for not-Trump. Sadly I do not possess the financial resources to be a counterparty to the opposite bet.
    , @ThreeCranes
    What are the odds her pubic hair is blue? Is she a natural blue?
    , @Autochthon
    I suppose it is probably a statistically valid bet, but I have never quite understood why dyed hair or other unconventional appearances are always assumed to represent the lunatic fringe. I myself have often dyed my hair blue, and I still do from time to time. I also wear an earring. Elvis – that evil sexpot and greaser with his seductive hips – loved singing gospel more than rock 'n' roll. Hell, Gene Simmons is a pretty conservative dude, as are Kid Rock and 50 Cent (both are covered in tattoos). Hell, Jonathan Davis was interviewed not too long ago by Alex Jones, of all people, and he (Davis...well, Jones too, but then Jones would of course!) was denouncing Obama.

    Is the idea supposed to only apply to coloured hair and not other things? I confess I cannot think of famous examples of people with zany hair colours who support civilisation, but then, I cannot think of many famous people with zany hair colours.... The best candidates I can think of are Dee Snyder and Dave Mustaine, but neither uses dye (Snyder may use bleach...).
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  27. Off topic but amusing newsflash re the DOJ looking at Asian complaints about Harvard admissions: Harvard fight could redirect 40 years of affirmative action. Will the coalition of the fringes crack wide-open if racial quotas are dismantled? Pipe dream at this stage, but it’s the first time – that I know of – that an anti-quota complaint like this has had a supportive AG (and perhaps president) helping it along.

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    Harvard losing this would not end up redounding to white people's interest. The number of white gentiles at Harvard would go from surprisingly few to shockingly few.
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  28. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    Welcome to the Goolag. Google Cabal or Goobal goes all out to create Gootopia where you gotta
    mentally Goosestep to PC.

    You nailed it — “Goglag”

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  29. @anony-mouse
    Since it's the males at Google who are acting hysterically, maybe Damore is wrong?

    He’s wrong about several things, but wrong is just another word for “a good start” if the process he follows is allowed to continue.

    It was not, and that is where Google has failed and, as importantly, was understood to have failed.

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  30. @Jack D
    Google has enough money to hire armies of lawyers from the top law firms in the country and to fight this case all the way to the Supreme Court. Damore - not so much. Unless Damore can find some right wing sugar daddy to fund his case, he has zero chance of taking on Google in court. They will smother any suit he files in an incredible blizzard of paperwork and discovery and appeals and briefs, etc.

    Google can’t let it get to discovery though.

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  31. Ivy says:
    @Clyde
    Rebels of Google: ‘Senior Leaders Focus on Diversity First and Technology Second’ (hot off the Breitbart presses)

    Breitbart News is now exclusively publishing a series of interviews with Google employees who contacted us in the wake of the manifesto’s publication to confirm its allegations.

    The interview series, entitled “Rebels of Google,” will be published in full over the coming days. Because every employee who spoke to us fears for their job if their identities were made public, we have provided aliases in place of their real names.

    In the first interview of the series, a Google employee (alias “Hal”) speaks of witch-hunts and intolerance at Google, as well as dysfunction at the company’s upper echelons.

    Hal began the interview with a statement about Google:

    Hal: Witch hunts are a well-known cultural problem at Google. The company is currently facing a Federal complaint filed by the National Labor Relations Board in April for interfering with employees’ legal right to discuss “workplace diversity and social justice initiatives.” The complaint alleges that Senior Vice President Urs Holzle and numerous managers in his organization actively stoked up witch hunts in 2015 and 2016 intended to muzzle low-level employees who raised concerns about the company’s practices. The trial is set for November.

    Several managers have openly admitted to keeping blacklists of the employees in question, and preventing them from seeking work at other companies. There have been numerous cases in which social justice activists coordinated attempts to sabotage other employees’ performance reviews for expressing a different opinion.
    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/08/07/the-google-rebels-diversity-first-technology-second/

    Google is not alone in blacklisting employees. With luck, the revelations will spark much dialog, even a conversation or two, and then a kumbaya chorus or two to find out who they really are. Count me as one having minimal interaction with the evil empire.

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  32. JimB says:

    I can’t help but wonder about Dr Damore’s motivation for writing this memo. Did he think most Google employees were persuadable? Did he think he could remain anonymous after dropping this bombshell? He works for a massive global corporation whose strength lies in knowing and selling everybody’s secrets. Even though the salaries aren’t so great for most Google programmers ($200K just doesn’t cut it if you live in the company town), the Googleplex hangs onto its employees by giving them an abundance of perks — luxury meals, gourmet ice cream, banjo lessons, massages, movies, celebrity lectures — like casinos, they do everything they can to keep you from leaving the premises. Nonetheless, the work culture is very frustrating with most jobs filled by people who are vastly overqualified for their duties and who have little hope of advancement. Perhaps Dr Damore wrote this memo as his letter of resignation. Perhaps he was determined to make the executive suite notice his departure.

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    That sounds plausible. Sort of like going postal for geeks.
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  33. eah says:
    @Anon
    Off-topic. Congratulations to Baltimore for being the first American city to celebrate Black Lives Matters Day on August 7th, 2017. According to the Baltimore Sun, 211 Baltimoreans were murdered in 2014; Baltimore reached that tally earlier today. From here on out, the lives don't matter.

    They weren’t stolen, they’re just “missing” — someone please file 440 missing bike reports.

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    What they should have done was hide GPS trackers inside each bike and arrest every person who had one in their possession who didn't return it. You could smoke out a lot of anti-community thieves that way.
    , @Buck Turgidson
    One more from the category of "Why We Can't Have Nice Things."
    , @Forbes
    $2 million divided by 500 bicycles equals $4,000 per bike. That includes a lot of graft/overhead per bike.
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  34. If conservatives (or just honest people) won’t fight back, this will continue. I’m hoping the Trump Administration goes to work on this right away. We all have to do our part in some meaningful way (any suggestions?).

    Second, we have to figure out how a guy like James Damore, a true hero, can benefit from this. We can’t allow his career to be ruined.

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    The Trump administration should stick a thumb in googoo's cyclops eye by offering James Damore a high paying Federal job...Centers for Disease Control whatever...At least offer it then Damore can take it or leave it if he can do better.
    , @Larry, San Francisco
    Maybe he can join Brendan Eich at Brave.

    I work for a large corporation and I know how they work. Google will pay him off probably through 7 figures. The last thing they want is for the publicity to continue.
    , @JackOH
    Suggestions? Yeah. James Damore is a guy with something to say, he's said it, and got canned for it. Is there someone among the writers or commentariat here who can persuade a speakers' bureau to take Mr. Damore on as a client? Ron? Steve? Is Mr. Damore cause celebre material?

    Secondly, folks who are especially energized by the Damore story ought to think about running off paper copies of Steve's posts, passing them to friends or colleagues, and asking them what they think.
    , @Anonymous
    Nothing we can do. They have more money because ultimately, their shibboleths work better. So we are just going to take it up the various orifices until we learn to like it.
    , @mobi

    We all have to do our part in some meaningful way (any suggestions?).
     
    Improve your hacking skills? Start with easier targets, then work up?

    Hypothetically speaking, for the sake of argument.

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  35. It is of course ironic that he had been through serious training in Systems Biology. In that discipline it would be a matter of basic competence to expect that any mammal or any primate would exhibit sexual dimorphism. The only real question would be just how much dimorphism might be present. Absent a controlling God, why would a believer in evolution think that human beings represent some sort of exception to this rule?

    Google management has now decided that a scientist can’t assert the very things his own training has impressed upon him without being fired.

    Calling these people witch hunters is less on target than calling them witch doctors. They are the believers in magic.

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  36. jig says:

    Story I heard: he quit his phd program.
    Another story I heard: he refused to apologize for joking about masturbating to his female colleagues in an internal presentation.
    I don’t know whether either is true.

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    Yeah. I was thinking, "this is a guy with nothing to lose," as in his job isn't working out anyway, so why not get fired for speaking the truth...
    , @Nico

    Another story I heard: he refused to apologize for joking about masturbating to his female colleagues in an internal presentation.
     
    Even if it's true we should stay intransingent with our support for this guy:

    1. Silicon Valley has been at the forefront of the bourgeois appropriation of sexual revolutionary libertinism. Let the chips fall on the chippers.
    2. Workplace THOTs have whined for years about exclusion from the good ol' boys circle and boxing-in by stereotypes. So let them come into our dirty-jokes-and-beer party, and let us take their presence in stride and never succumb to the stereotype assumption that women appreciate salacious humor less than man.
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  37. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jack D
    Google has enough money to hire armies of lawyers from the top law firms in the country and to fight this case all the way to the Supreme Court. Damore - not so much. Unless Damore can find some right wing sugar daddy to fund his case, he has zero chance of taking on Google in court. They will smother any suit he files in an incredible blizzard of paperwork and discovery and appeals and briefs, etc.

    Peter Thiel

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  38. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Fsking disgusting. We are in the full late USSR mode. Give these jerks a few more years and that’s it, we are finished, well past the point of no return.

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    I'm not sure 'we' will be finished in the near future but Google is on a path of self-destruction. They can be buried in a corporate graveyard next to Blockbuster Video and Wang computers.
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  39. FKA Max says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    Honest men get brutalized in the short term, but Providence has a way of working things out. Kudos to James Damore for showing us the money.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7Iq6lOSoPM

    You are right on the money…

    The official state motto of Rhode Island is simply “Hope.” The state motto appears on the great seal and flag of Rhode Island.

    The use of the word “Hope” was probably inspired by the biblical phrase “hope we have as an anchor of the soul.”

    http://www.unz.com/pgottfried/eastern-european-jews-and-the-case-of-the-marginalized-elite/#comment-1861320

    Providence by Drone in 4K

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    Another consideration is that the theological use of the Greek word translated "hope" in the New Testament means "confident expectation," not "wishful thinking," as we so commonly use "hope" today.
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  40. @interesting
    from the article

    "Danielle Brown, Google’s new vice president for diversity, integrity and governance"

    I wonder what she does all day...........

    I wonder what she does all day………..

    We know that she does NOT frequent the office suite of Eric Schmidt frequently at all; and we know that there she NEVER is found bending over and grabbing her ankles for Eric or Sergey or anybody else. We can BE SURE about that. Because she is an SJW superhero, you know.

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  41. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    STOP USING GOOGLE

    Their SE results suck anyway. Filled with spammy crap.

    duckduckgo.com is good

    startpage.com is good

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  42. The solution is simple. Purge all the white males from Google, ASAP.

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  43. Jack D says:

    The left used to make a big deal out of the blacklisting that occurred during the McCarthy period. There are a whole bunch of movies about how unfair and unAmerican it is to deprive a fellow of his livelihood simply because you don’t agree with his political point of view (read simply because he supported a mass murdering dictator and belonged to a party dedicated to the overthrow of the US government, but never mind.) But it turns out that the left was never really against blacklisting . We can see now that they LOVE blacklisting – they were just against blacklisting leftists. It’s all who-whom with these people.

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    Damore screenplay under development to follow up after Trumbo?
    , @Harry Baldwin
    I always thought that what the Left hates about McCarthy is that he used their own techniques against them.
    , @Forbes
    Actually the Hollywood Blacklist is a separate issue from Senator Joseph McCarthy.

    The first Hollywood blacklist was instituted on November 25, 1947, the day after ten writers and directors were cited for contempt of Congress for refusing to testify to the House Un-American Activities Committee. A group of studio executives, acting under the aegis of the Association of Motion Picture Producers, fired the artists.

    Joseph McCarthy was a member of the Senate.

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  44. Would be an awful shame if a run on Google stock started tomorrow.

    Slow then fast.

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    Any large company will be on gazillions of indexes, and the funds that track them will not sell for ideological reasons. However, that also makes for a lot of shareholders who could theoretically cause a lot of grief for the company.
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  45. snorlax says:
    @Jack D
    Google has enough money to hire armies of lawyers from the top law firms in the country and to fight this case all the way to the Supreme Court. Damore - not so much. Unless Damore can find some right wing sugar daddy to fund his case, he has zero chance of taking on Google in court. They will smother any suit he files in an incredible blizzard of paperwork and discovery and appeals and briefs, etc.

    Google would also find some excuse to introduce during discovery Damore’s 1. entire Google search history, 2. entire Chrome & Android browser history, 3. entire Gmail history, 4. entire work internet/email/IM history, 5. entire contents of all work computer hard drives and backups.

    Then all the most salacious and controversial tidbits would mysteriously leak to the national media.

    Actually that’s soft-pedaling the leverage Google holds over a person, when they have a legal excuse to de-anonymize the data they’ve collected on that person. As a tech-savvy Millennial man he’s presumably spent a great deal of time watching online porn. Better hope not one of the performers was lying about being 18.

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    Not to mention all the women who will come forward with accusations that they were "raped" by Damore. After Mattress Girl came to national attention, suddenly a bunch of her friends (male and female) remembered that Nungesser had "raped" them too. And remember all the women who came forward to tell about how Trump sexually molested them once the Billy Bush tape became public (and how not a word has been heard from these women since election day). Read some of the stuff the SJWs are writing about Badthinker Damore. If they could jail him or worse for thinking such evil thoughts they would be glad to do so.
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  46. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Page & Brin are just two more weirdo billionaires. Boycott these a-holes. THEY ARE CONTROL FREAKS LIKE BEZOS, BLOOMBERG

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  47. Marty says:
    @Jack D
    Google has enough money to hire armies of lawyers from the top law firms in the country and to fight this case all the way to the Supreme Court. Damore - not so much. Unless Damore can find some right wing sugar daddy to fund his case, he has zero chance of taking on Google in court. They will smother any suit he files in an incredible blizzard of paperwork and discovery and appeals and briefs, etc.

    Despite their ability to throw up a blizzard of paper, Big-Law’s management side employment lawyers have been losing employment cases in California to underfunded and then-unknown plaintiff’s lawyers ever since this area of law sprung into bring in 1981. I myself happened to be in the courtroom during parts of the first-ever “wrongful discharge” case, won by a firm of young nobodies against IBM in San Francisco in ’82. No, the problem for Damore won’t be the ferocity of the defense, but theseemingly ubiquitous acceptance of “disparate impact” theory by bench and bar, i.e. Including by plaintiffs’ lawyers, who in a different context would be champing at the bit. Who’s the greatest trial lawyer ever? Did he ever have a case where if he won, he’d never get laid again?

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    Gerry Spence (a leftist) got white separatist Randy Weaver acquitted for the murder of a federal agent in the Ruby Ridge trial.
    , @Thomas
    One thing that helps is that California is fairly liberal about allowing attorney's fee awards, under both its Private Attorneys General Accused as well as numerous other laws.
    , @Negrolphin Pool
    Hookers don't read the Harvard Law Review.
    , @ben tillman

    No, the problem for Damore won’t be the ferocity of the defense, but theseemingly ubiquitous acceptance of “disparate impact” theory by bench and bar, i.e. Including by plaintiffs’ lawyers, who in a different context would be champing at the bit. Who’s the greatest trial lawyer ever? Did he ever have a case where if he won, he’d never get laid again?
     
    Literally everything has a disparate impact, including any policy Google is relying on to justify the firing. A good lawyer would make "disparate impact" work in Damore's favor.
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  48. Achilles says:

    P.S., What’s tomorrow’s Google Doodle going to look like?

    Perhaps honoring the work of the Ministerium für Googlesicherheit (Goosi) in successfully identifying and neutralizing an underground dissident.

    To come: a Hollywood movie depicting the cybersleuths who solved the thoughtcrime of the century, working day and night, surrounded by piles of empty pizza boxes and Red Bull cans, following a ghostly and baffling trail of logins, email IDs and IP addresses, until a female member of the team has a brilliant analytical insight that unlocks the puzzle and finally leads them to the sinister and hurtful Dr. James Damore….

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  49. snorlax says:
    @Jack D
    What are the odds that the fat one with blue hair voted for Trump? 1 in 1,000,000? 1,000,000,000? I am totally sure she gives an equally fair hearing to leftist and rightist videos and judges them by the same objective standards.

    I think Justine Tunney, who appears to somehow still be employed at Google, had blue hair at one point.

    I’d give you 1-to-10,000 the one in the photo voted for not-Trump. Sadly I do not possess the financial resources to be a counterparty to the opposite bet.

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    Compared to the average Tunney blog post, Damore's document is like a Barack Obama speech, but he made the mistake of having it blow up all over the internet over a slow news weekend.
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  50. Re whether Damore has a Ph.D., I now think most likely he doesn’t, and for a simple reason: he appears to have left the Harvard program after only 2 (or maybe 3?) years. I don’t think it’s possible these days to get a Ph.D. that quickly in that discipline, particularly not in a program as demanding as that at Harvard.

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    It's quite unlikely that he has a PhD. He only authored two papers in his life. One unremarkable and one an OK review. No half-decent graduate program would let someone with such output to defend successfully.
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  51. anon says: • Disclaimer

    P.S., What’s tomorrow’s Google Doodle going to look like?

    Commemoration of the 325th anniversary of the Salem witch trials?

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  52. hhsiii says:
    @Luke Lea
    Does Damore have grounds for a suit?

    Said the Google CEO :"It is contrary to our basic values and our Code of Conduct, which expects “each Googler to do their utmost to create a workplace culture that is free of harassment, intimidation, bias and unlawful discrimination.”

    So how do you characterize what happened to Damore?

    I characterize it as unfuckingbelievable. I knew it, and yet I didn’t know it. This is so clear a case of violating freedom of thought and speech that if Google isn’t forced under public pressure to offer this guy his job back then we have passed a rubicon. What assholes. And how sad. I’m passed infruriated. Shocked. I get why some companies cave. These fuckers don’t have to. They want to.

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  53. It’s unfortunate that this guy lost his job, but let’s face it, Google’s hands were tied. They had to do something to show they care about diversity, and firing this poor sap beats the crap out of actually hiring some black people.

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  54. @eah
    Probably. Or soon.

    https://twitter.com/THauerBYI/status/893868004303400963

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  55. Jack D says:
    @snorlax
    Google would also find some excuse to introduce during discovery Damore's 1. entire Google search history, 2. entire Chrome & Android browser history, 3. entire Gmail history, 4. entire work internet/email/IM history, 5. entire contents of all work computer hard drives and backups.

    Then all the most salacious and controversial tidbits would mysteriously leak to the national media.

    Actually that's soft-pedaling the leverage Google holds over a person, when they have a legal excuse to de-anonymize the data they've collected on that person. As a tech-savvy Millennial man he's presumably spent a great deal of time watching online porn. Better hope not one of the performers was lying about being 18.

    Not to mention all the women who will come forward with accusations that they were “raped” by Damore. After Mattress Girl came to national attention, suddenly a bunch of her friends (male and female) remembered that Nungesser had “raped” them too. And remember all the women who came forward to tell about how Trump sexually molested them once the Billy Bush tape became public (and how not a word has been heard from these women since election day). Read some of the stuff the SJWs are writing about Badthinker Damore. If they could jail him or worse for thinking such evil thoughts they would be glad to do so.

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    Considering the breadth of what's considered "rape" in the current year, they might all be telling the truth.
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  56. JerryC says:

    Working at Google seems like it’s a lot like being in the Soviet Politburo in the 30s. Witch hunts, secret enemies lists, a general air of paranoia and mistrust.

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/08/07/revealed-inside-googles-sjw-cabal-blacklists/

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    It's like that at every big employer. I'm at a real big name university (perhaps the biggest name) and every week we get politically charged emails from the head honchos. Slamming some trump administration action or the other.
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Yes, but they have foosball. And free snacks!
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  57. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Looks like it’s time to start using DuckDuckGo, for those of you who don’t already.

    Or even just Bing.

    It’s so weird how I remember when Google was the hip, non-evil corporation out there, while Microsoft was totally squaresville.

    I can tell you one thing, I trust my Outlook e-mail account a lot more than Gmail these days. As Jordan Peterson has shown us, they’ll do more than just shut down your YouTube channel for crimethink. They’ll even take away your Gmail. I can’t even imagine the evil old Microsoft doing that.

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  58. Ivy says:
    @Jack D
    The left used to make a big deal out of the blacklisting that occurred during the McCarthy period. There are a whole bunch of movies about how unfair and unAmerican it is to deprive a fellow of his livelihood simply because you don't agree with his political point of view (read simply because he supported a mass murdering dictator and belonged to a party dedicated to the overthrow of the US government, but never mind.) But it turns out that the left was never really against blacklisting . We can see now that they LOVE blacklisting - they were just against blacklisting leftists. It's all who-whom with these people.

    Damore screenplay under development to follow up after Trumbo?

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  59. One other point regarding the Google decision.

    According to at least one reported internal survey, over a third of the employees agree with the memo, at least in some part. Likely even that number is smaller than the real one because of the shy Heretic effect. One would also expect that among people in serious engineering and science the number is considerably larger, since it wouldn’t be diluted with the soft Marketing, HR, and Affirmative Action numbers.

    Now these employees have been served notice that if they ever speak their true beliefs, they too will be fired.

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    Now these employees have been served notice that if they ever speak their true beliefs, they too will be fired.

    Sounds like they need a union. And union organizing has some legal protections.
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  60. @Jack D
    The left used to make a big deal out of the blacklisting that occurred during the McCarthy period. There are a whole bunch of movies about how unfair and unAmerican it is to deprive a fellow of his livelihood simply because you don't agree with his political point of view (read simply because he supported a mass murdering dictator and belonged to a party dedicated to the overthrow of the US government, but never mind.) But it turns out that the left was never really against blacklisting . We can see now that they LOVE blacklisting - they were just against blacklisting leftists. It's all who-whom with these people.

    I always thought that what the Left hates about McCarthy is that he used their own techniques against them.

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    • Replies: @whorefinder
    What they hated was being outed.

    When you read up on the era in Soviet spying---especially the Venona stuff and the actual testimony in front of HUAC (e.g. Gary Cooper's)---you realize McCarthy was underplaying the situation.
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  61. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @candid_observer
    Re whether Damore has a Ph.D., I now think most likely he doesn't, and for a simple reason: he appears to have left the Harvard program after only 2 (or maybe 3?) years. I don't think it's possible these days to get a Ph.D. that quickly in that discipline, particularly not in a program as demanding as that at Harvard.

    It’s quite unlikely that he has a PhD. He only authored two papers in his life. One unremarkable and one an OK review. No half-decent graduate program would let someone with such output to defend successfully.

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    That's not a black mark only two or three years into a PhD -- you're focused on coursework and quals early on. And few would see quitting grad school to take a gig at Google as a failure.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    If Unz weren't such a scrooge, I'd "Troll" you, but I already "LOL"d this hour, you troll.
    , @Mike P.
    This is certainly not true in the humanities. I know plenty of people who have defended without any publications (but with jobs in hand).
    , @Olorin
    That's two more papers than Neil de Grasse Tyson--Astrophysicist Laureate of the US--ever authored.
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  62. Taco says:
    @Marty
    Despite their ability to throw up a blizzard of paper, Big-Law's management side employment lawyers have been losing employment cases in California to underfunded and then-unknown plaintiff's lawyers ever since this area of law sprung into bring in 1981. I myself happened to be in the courtroom during parts of the first-ever "wrongful discharge" case, won by a firm of young nobodies against IBM in San Francisco in '82. No, the problem for Damore won't be the ferocity of the defense, but theseemingly ubiquitous acceptance of "disparate impact" theory by bench and bar, i.e. Including by plaintiffs' lawyers, who in a different context would be champing at the bit. Who's the greatest trial lawyer ever? Did he ever have a case where if he won, he'd never get laid again?

    Gerry Spence (a leftist) got white separatist Randy Weaver acquitted for the murder of a federal agent in the Ruby Ridge trial.

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  63. Clyde says:
    @Judah Benjamin Hur
    If conservatives (or just honest people) won't fight back, this will continue. I'm hoping the Trump Administration goes to work on this right away. We all have to do our part in some meaningful way (any suggestions?).

    Second, we have to figure out how a guy like James Damore, a true hero, can benefit from this. We can't allow his career to be ruined.

    The Trump administration should stick a thumb in googoo’s cyclops eye by offering James Damore a high paying Federal job…Centers for Disease Control whatever…At least offer it then Damore can take it or leave it if he can do better.

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    The Trump administration should stick a thumb in googoo’s cyclops eye by offering James Damore a high paying Federal job…Centers for Disease Control whatever…At least offer it then Damore can take it or leave it if he can do better.
     
    It would be nice if some conservative organization somewhere offered the guy a good job. The Left uses that strategy when one of their own steps so far out of line that he loses his job.
    , @Bill
    Centers for Disease Control?

    Imagine an administration actually interested in this issue in a good way. They would put him in charge of the DOJ Civil Rights Division or the EEOC.
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  64. anon says: • Disclaimer

    I hate to say this, because I know I wouldn’t do any better if I was in their shoes, but part of the problem is that smart people don’t stick together. When this story broke, you saw tons of feminists saying they’d quit if this guy wasn’t fired. You didn’t see any of his defenders saying they’d quit if he was.

    And I get it. How much of a chance are you going to have of finding a job if you walk away from a job at Google to defend a “bigot”? So I can’t really blame them. But still. It is worth pointing out an area where we’re vulnerable.

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    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "When this story broke, you saw tons of feminists saying they’d quit if this guy wasn’t fired."

    And their credibility is equal to the tons of Hollyweirdos promising to quit the USA if President Trump was hired.
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  65. L Woods says:
    @Jack D
    Not to mention all the women who will come forward with accusations that they were "raped" by Damore. After Mattress Girl came to national attention, suddenly a bunch of her friends (male and female) remembered that Nungesser had "raped" them too. And remember all the women who came forward to tell about how Trump sexually molested them once the Billy Bush tape became public (and how not a word has been heard from these women since election day). Read some of the stuff the SJWs are writing about Badthinker Damore. If they could jail him or worse for thinking such evil thoughts they would be glad to do so.

    Considering the breadth of what’s considered “rape” in the current year, they might all be telling the truth.

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    Considering that looking at a woman is characterized as rape...
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  66. Altai says:
    @eah
    Probably. Or soon.

    https://twitter.com/THauerBYI/status/893868004303400963

    Fortunately none of those work there except the normal looking woman in front. If I recall this was one of Googles face-saving outreach programmes where they have a little self-important conference with these SJWs (Anita Sarkessian and the woman currently known as Zoe Quinn) on making the internet more ‘safe’ (Read: censored of people talking back to provocative political content espoused by a woman or man who thinks he is a woman). But I don’t know how much they implemented (Remember the media hype was so intense those two made it all the way to the UN!) and how much was hyper signalling during GamerGate which was regarded by the internets as serious business that one had to pick a side on. But just the idea that they’d host that crew of crazies is deeply disturbing.

    Similar to how Google gave Clock-boy a place at their exclusive summer camp for gifted kids despite knowing full well he wasn’t quite in the same league as the others.

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    This women in front istn't looking "normal", she's looking good, isn't she?
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  67. Gman says:
    @Luke Lea
    Does Damore have grounds for a suit?

    Said the Google CEO :"It is contrary to our basic values and our Code of Conduct, which expects “each Googler to do their utmost to create a workplace culture that is free of harassment, intimidation, bias and unlawful discrimination.”

    So how do you characterize what happened to Damore?

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  68. @Jack D
    What are the odds that the fat one with blue hair voted for Trump? 1 in 1,000,000? 1,000,000,000? I am totally sure she gives an equally fair hearing to leftist and rightist videos and judges them by the same objective standards.

    What are the odds her pubic hair is blue? Is she a natural blue?

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  69. White men are already starting to shun working in government and in big corporations, as they should. Focus on working in a smaller environment, hopefully populated by men and/or your red-pilled co-ethnics. Focus on ownership.

    Oh, and use Bing or Jeeves for now on.

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  70. Actual footage from the board room:

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  71. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @eah
    They weren't stolen, they're just "missing" -- someone please file 440 missing bike reports.

    https://twitter.com/RealDoctorWhite/status/894708758873489408

    What they should have done was hide GPS trackers inside each bike and arrest every person who had one in their possession who didn’t return it. You could smoke out a lot of anti-community thieves that way.

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  72. This Harvard man has one hell of a White Protestant schnoz on him.

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    This Harvard man has one hell of a White Protestant schnoz on him.
     
    Damore looks like D'Amore, which is Italian and is prevalent on Sardinia (which has the most based flag the world over, the Quattro Mori). He's more Jimmy Durante in type . . .
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  73. NOTA says:

    So, Google’s management just announced to some sizeable fraction of their employees that they will be fired for their political or social beliefs if they’re open about them. That strikes me as pretty-much the definition of a toxic work environment. If you heard a friend saying “The day my boss figures out I’m pro-choice, I’ll get canned,” you’d tell him to find another job, because that’s a shitty way for an employer to treat its employees. This is the same.

    There are hundreds of extremely bright people reading this story today who won’t apply at Google as a result of this.

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    If you heard a friend saying “The day my boss figures out I’m pro-choice, I’ll get canned,” you’d tell him to find another job, because that’s a shitty way for an employer to treat its employees.

    Heh. Well, you know, that's the situation the majority of the people commenting here are in right now.

    There are hundreds of extremely bright people reading this story today who won’t apply at Google as a result of this.


    I don't know. I applied to my job knowing that I stand a good chance of being fired if my boss found out about what I talk about online.
    , @Kaz
    When you pretty much state something like 'women are in aggregate inferior to men at this because biological reason X' it's really hard to not fire someone for it..

    Especially when most of your workers are 'true believers'.

    I can't blame Google for this action, any company would have to make this move, you can't just openly state these things in the current landscape. They would get raked over the coals over this considering the 'hotbed of sexism' Silicon Valley is..

    Google won't fire you for holding rightist positions, I doubt he would get fired if he simply shared the view 'I believe in enforcing already existing immigration law'.

    I'm not sure how openly people get into politics like this at Google, but in my experience working for the past 4 years since I got out of college in the corporate landscape, people have been incredibly non-political on both sides, smart people who are collaborating know better than to stoke that shit at work.
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  74. AndrewR says:

    Anyone surprised he was fired simply hasn’t been paying attention. This is a company that shamelessly paid homage in a google doodle to Yuri Kochiyama.

    One illuminating quote from her:

    “I consider Osama bin Laden as one of the people that I admire. To me, he is in the category of Malcolm X, Che Guevara, Patrice Lumumba, Fidel Castro … I thank Islam for bin Laden. America’s greed, aggressiveness, and self-righteous arrogance must be stopped. War and weaponry must be abolished.”

    I’m hardly a fan of US foreign policy but this makes clear that Google is the enemy. There should be no question about this.

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    That was the perfect illustration of Google's contempt for the West and America.

    They are indeed the enemy.
    , @anonymous
    Even if we can debate and agree that Bin Laden is evil for his murder of innocents, it is clear that the white race has killed millions more, just to quench its unquenchable Greed and Psychopathy.

    So who is more evil? Heck, the two are simply leagues apart.

    "but this makes clear that Google is the enemy"
    No, the real enemy of mankind is the darkness of the white supremacist soul, which fights true monotheism, and works tirelessly to burden every corner of the world, with its Pagan Polytheism.

    "There should be no question about this."
    No question? Apologists of sheer evil (partial or full), like you (and some others here), don't stand a chance at seeing the light, even if you fancy yourself as something you are not ("I’m hardly a fan," my ass).

    Yuri Kochiyama, in contrast, sounds like a woman who has seen a glimmer.
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  75. whorefinder says: • Website
    @anony-mouse
    Since it's the males at Google who are acting hysterically, maybe Damore is wrong?

    White knights.

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  76. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Harry Baldwin
    I always thought that what the Left hates about McCarthy is that he used their own techniques against them.

    What they hated was being outed.

    When you read up on the era in Soviet spying—especially the Venona stuff and the actual testimony in front of HUAC (e.g. Gary Cooper’s)—you realize McCarthy was underplaying the situation.

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    Remember that McCarthy was in the Senate--HUAC was committee of the House.
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  77. Thomas says:
    @Marty
    Despite their ability to throw up a blizzard of paper, Big-Law's management side employment lawyers have been losing employment cases in California to underfunded and then-unknown plaintiff's lawyers ever since this area of law sprung into bring in 1981. I myself happened to be in the courtroom during parts of the first-ever "wrongful discharge" case, won by a firm of young nobodies against IBM in San Francisco in '82. No, the problem for Damore won't be the ferocity of the defense, but theseemingly ubiquitous acceptance of "disparate impact" theory by bench and bar, i.e. Including by plaintiffs' lawyers, who in a different context would be champing at the bit. Who's the greatest trial lawyer ever? Did he ever have a case where if he won, he'd never get laid again?

    One thing that helps is that California is fairly liberal about allowing attorney’s fee awards, under both its Private Attorneys General Accused as well as numerous other laws.

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    Deep down, lawyers take care of other lawyers. Almost every new bit of legislation comes with a provision for attorney's fees. As the saying goes, the best thing for the only in town is when a second one sets up shop. Lawsuits drive fees, no matter who wins or loses.
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  78. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @NOTA
    So, Google's management just announced to some sizeable fraction of their employees that they will be fired for their political or social beliefs if they're open about them. That strikes me as pretty-much the definition of a toxic work environment. If you heard a friend saying "The day my boss figures out I'm pro-choice, I'll get canned," you'd tell him to find another job, because that's a shitty way for an employer to treat its employees. This is the same.

    There are hundreds of extremely bright people reading this story today who won't apply at Google as a result of this.

    If you heard a friend saying “The day my boss figures out I’m pro-choice, I’ll get canned,” you’d tell him to find another job, because that’s a shitty way for an employer to treat its employees.

    Heh. Well, you know, that’s the situation the majority of the people commenting here are in right now.

    There are hundreds of extremely bright people reading this story today who won’t apply at Google as a result of this.

    I don’t know. I applied to my job knowing that I stand a good chance of being fired if my boss found out about what I talk about online.

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  79. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Thomas
    One thing that helps is that California is fairly liberal about allowing attorney's fee awards, under both its Private Attorneys General Accused as well as numerous other laws.

    Deep down, lawyers take care of other lawyers. Almost every new bit of legislation comes with a provision for attorney’s fees. As the saying goes, the best thing for the only in town is when a second one sets up shop. Lawsuits drive fees, no matter who wins or loses.

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    One truism for clients is that the attorney may deal with you once but he has to deal with opposing counsel a lot over the years, and might end up being co-counsel with them. Such considerations can influence their motivation, notwithstanding their oath. I've had to fire attorneys who didn't pay adequate attention.
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  80. Moshe says:

    inorant about what Science says about males and females and should try reading a book for once in his life. LOL!!

    Perfect pitch Steve. Love it! :)

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  81. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    If conservatives (or just honest people) won't fight back, this will continue. I'm hoping the Trump Administration goes to work on this right away. We all have to do our part in some meaningful way (any suggestions?).

    Second, we have to figure out how a guy like James Damore, a true hero, can benefit from this. We can't allow his career to be ruined.

    Maybe he can join Brendan Eich at Brave.

    I work for a large corporation and I know how they work. Google will pay him off probably through 7 figures. The last thing they want is for the publicity to continue.

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  82. This story got me thinking about what Brendan Eich is doing (I should have thought about this earlier).

    He’s started a new company called Brave.

    “Brave is on a mission to fix the web by giving users a safer, faster and better browsing experience – while growing support for content creators through a new attention-based ecosystem of rewards.
    Much more than a browser, Brave is a new way of thinking about how the web works.
    Brave is open source, and built by a team of privacy focused, performance oriented pioneers of the web, founded by the inventor of Javascript and co-founder of Mozilla.
    Join us. It’s time to fix the web together.”

    https://brave.com/about/

    I’m going to download it.

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    Thanks for the link. I'm going to check it out.
    , @WR
    Thanks. I just started using Brave as my default browser. I presume that many of us here feel like Winston Smith in 1984. Don't become an easy target.
    , @Forbes
    I've been using Brave for at least a year. Very satisfied. It has a Settings feature for choosing your search engine from a long list of options. I just switched to DuckDuckGo.
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  83. We need a simple law that makes it clearly and absolutely illegal for a corporation to fire an employee for a belief, thought, political opinion or similar.

    One big hammer thrown down from the top puts an end to it.

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    There already is a law like that in California.
    , @Bill
    No no no.

    Right now, today, it is "illegal" to use hiring quotas to boost the number of blacks. On the other hand, right now, today, it is perfectly routine to use "statistical evidence" in race discrimination suits. To oversimplify only a little, statistical evidence says that there is discrimination against blacks if:

    proportion black in relevant population - proportion black at company > threshold

    where threshold is a number directly proportional to the square root of the number of employees in the relevant category at the company. Obviously, this creates a de facto quota requirement.

    So, quotas are both forbidden and mandatory. Since the only acceptable evidence of quotas (in practice) is a written document saying "there shall be quotas," quotas are mandatory in practice, and not writing down that you have quotas is also mandatory in practice.

    This happens constantly in the law.

    What's required is not a new law, regulation, whatever. What's required is that people who actually want to change the system be in power. The implementation details are just that: details.
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  84. guest says:
    @interesting
    from the article

    "Danielle Brown, Google’s new vice president for diversity, integrity and governance"

    I wonder what she does all day...........

    “I wonder what she does all day…”

    Spirit cooking.

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    Cernovich made a case once that #spiritcooking hashtag the last weekend of the election was a margin of difference that put Trump over the top.
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  85. Wilkey says:

    E pur si muove.

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  86. If you heard a friend saying “The day my boss figures out I’m pro-choice, I’ll get canned,” you’d tell him to find another job, because that’s a shitty way for an employer to treat its employees.

    No, I would tell them they are projecting. I’ve literally never seen or even heard of a conservative/republican/religious person hold someone else’s liberal politics against them in a work setting. Never in my own works experience in environments both small and large, never in academia (wherein either i or immediately family members have spent much or all of our lives watching liberals ostracizing others for their politics (***)), never heard it from a friend or some one at a bar, on a flight or on the bus. Hell, i’ve never read about it happening.

    LIBERALS DO IT ALL THE TIME.

    (*** In academia they just do it during either the hiring or tenuring process)

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    LIBERALS DO IT ALL THE TIME.

    (*** In academia they just do it during either the hiring or tenuring process)
     
    This is getting more blatant and many are pointing this out and awareness and evidence is growing: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449232/conservatives-face-discrimination-colleges-keith-finks-ucla-case
    , @Seamus

    I’ve literally never seen or even heard of a conservative/republican/religious person hold someone else’s liberal politics against them in a work setting.
     
    Yes, but it's going to start happening if firings like this become commonplace. Not the world I want to live in, but if the progs are going to target ordinary employees for crimethink like this, conservatives aren't going to practice unilateral disarmament in the culture war.
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  87. Wilkey says:

    “Now these employees have been served notice that if they ever speak their true beliefs, they too will be fired.”

    They have also been served notice that Google doesn’t value their freedom of thought or freedom of expression. In Silicon Valley how little of a push is needed to encourage serious talent to jump ship for the next hot startup?

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  88. Wilkey says:

    “Google would also find some excuse to introduce during discovery Damore’s 1. entire Google search history, 2. entire Chrome & Android browser history”

    1. Publicly releasing the private data of users – even employees – isn’t going to endear Google to its users, to Congress that already have plenty of reasons to start regulating tech companies, and will only encourage more users to find ways to anonymize their browsing.

    2. Publicly embarrassing an ex-employee isn’t going to endear them to current or future employees.

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    Publicly embarrassing an ex-employee isn’t going to endear them to current or future employees.
     
    Wrong, wrong, wrong. It WILL endear them. The ex-employee is a BAD PERSON who deserved to be expelled and embarrassed if not worse for his shameful supremacist beliefs. They themselves are GOODTHINKERS who have nothing to fear.
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  89. Let’s face it: This firing was straightforward race discrimination and flagrantly illegal under the “law”.

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  90. Mr. Anon says:

    The guy is being fired for noticing things. Isn’t Google’s whole business rooted in……………noticing things?

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  91. FPD72 says:
    @FKA Max
    You are right on the money...

    The official state motto of Rhode Island is simply “Hope.” The state motto appears on the great seal and flag of Rhode Island.

    The use of the word “Hope” was probably inspired by the biblical phrase “hope we have as an anchor of the soul.”
     
    - http://www.unz.com/pgottfried/eastern-european-jews-and-the-case-of-the-marginalized-elite/#comment-1861320

    Providence by Drone in 4K

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ-g6DpBsAs

    Another consideration is that the theological use of the Greek word translated “hope” in the New Testament means “confident expectation,” not “wishful thinking,” as we so commonly use “hope” today.

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  92. Mr. Anon says:
    @interesting
    from the article

    "Danielle Brown, Google’s new vice president for diversity, integrity and governance"

    I wonder what she does all day...........

    from the article

    “Danielle Brown, Google’s new vice president for diversity, integrity and governance”

    I wonder what she does all day………..

    Sits next to the guillotine, knitting.

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  93. Google: We support freedom of opinion and diversity of thought… unless you disagree with us in which case we fire you.

    This is too much of a giant easy target. SNL and light night comedy should have some easy laughs mocking Google on this one.

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    "This is too much of a giant easy target. SNL and light night comedy should have some easy laughs mocking Google on this one."

    I'm not familiar enough with your posting history to tell if you're being facetious or not.
    , @Forbes
    Unlikely. SNL and late night comedy want this story to disappear. Talking about it constitutes push back in the culture war. Only committed Left-wing culture warriors believe the insane position that being open minded means censoring those you disagree with.

    The best comment I've seen recently to describe the culture war: The Left wants the Right to shut-up; the Right wants the Left to keep talking.

    Perfect fit for this story.
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  94. @JeremiahJohnbalaya
    If you heard a friend saying “The day my boss figures out I’m pro-choice, I’ll get canned,” you’d tell him to find another job, because that’s a shitty way for an employer to treat its employees.

    No, I would tell them they are projecting. I've literally never seen or even heard of a conservative/republican/religious person hold someone else's liberal politics against them in a work setting. Never in my own works experience in environments both small and large, never in academia (wherein either i or immediately family members have spent much or all of our lives watching liberals ostracizing others for their politics (***)), never heard it from a friend or some one at a bar, on a flight or on the bus. Hell, i've never read about it happening.

    LIBERALS DO IT ALL THE TIME.

    (*** In academia they just do it during either the hiring or tenuring process)

    LIBERALS DO IT ALL THE TIME.

    (*** In academia they just do it during either the hiring or tenuring process)

    This is getting more blatant and many are pointing this out and awareness and evidence is growing: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449232/conservatives-face-discrimination-colleges-keith-finks-ucla-case

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  95. O'Really says:

    Does Google really want this lawsuit?

    What if Damore calls as expert witnesses the scientists quoted in this article supporting his claims?

    http://quillette.com/2017/08/07/google-memo-four-scientists-respond/

    (Hmmm….The site above is now down. A summary is here: http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/08/07/scientists-claim-google-viewpoint-diversity-manifesto-is-scientifically-accurate/)

    (Update: Quillette article available here: http://archive.is/z6xxP)

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  96. O'Really says:

    Here’s a great response:

    Google HR: ‘There are no sex differences’

    Google AdWords: ‘You bought books on programming? Here are ads for GQ magazine and Cialis’

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  97. Whiskey says: • Website

    Why did Google hire this guy in the first place? He’s a Phd in Life Sciences from Harvard according to reports. Presumably, he cost a lot of money, and last time I checked, Life Sciences is WAAAAAY away from Google’s core business of search/ads, and mobile/android.

    To me this says Google is already seeing rapid erosion of their revenue base in search/ads, and mobile/android. Samsung has invested in Tizen, and there are several alternatives beyond THAT for carriers and/or manufacturers to fund that will easily run android apps which are all Java based: Sailfish OS, Ubuntu Touch (abandoned by Canonical but forked by the community), Firefox OS (same) and so on. All are Linux based open source-ish at least, with reasonable licensing structures and customization possibilities up the ying yang that Google no longer offers on stock android.

    So Google is trying to get into AI, self-driving cars, AR, biomedical (where the fired employee fits in) and the like. HOW exactly is giving in to the SJW Witch hunt going to allow them to compete in this area where they already face some rather nasty lawsuits alleging that White males in their drone program were discriminated against for their MILITARY BACKGROUND? Link here. [Business Insider, Safe for work]

    Google has no permanent advantage. People can dump Google Docs in a heartbeat, AND WILL if they are not on the SJW Witchburning brigade. Same with Google Calendar, Google Mail, etc. There are a zillion web services, all of which are likely as easy to use as the others. Heck Iphone users don’t even bother with Google most of the time; they stick with Apple apps. And the Iphone still dominates in the US because its easier and just works: Apple does the software/hardware integration and won’t let it be filled with non-removable crapware by the carriers.

    Their ad/search business is disappearing with phony click bots on swarms of botnets often accounting for 75% of some ad views. Didn’t P&G abandon all internet ads over phony bot views?

    Remember the giants of yore: Kodak, SGI, Sun, DEC, Commodore, Amiga, etc? How mighty they were? Google needs to expend a lot of cash to operate those data centers and constantly mine that data; but they are one Snowden away from massive lawsuits and consumer abandonment. No one NEEDS to use Google Docs; you can always use LibreOffice or Apple Sheets or whatever they call it or even Microsoft Office online. Google’s only advantage was smart White guys who they’ve chased away now.

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    Great observations.

    My impression of Google is that their livelihood in recent years has been their murky intersection with the national security apparatus and the legacy cash cow ads stuff.

    Everything else, meh, interesting stuff, but as to making dough or disrupting the world like search engine stuff, nah, they've gone to seed, full employment for upwardly ambitious urban hipstery.

    The men in the gray flannel suits of the 2010s... Conventional beliefs/appearance, etc.

    Now, new sheriff is in town, paving contracts, the national security ones, are going somewhere else.

    Totally with you, Google is in the first wobbles of a death spiral. This thought regime stuff is something that has been propagating incredibly fast, even two years ago, firing this dude preemptorily probably wouldn't have happened.

    It is like a flesh-eating bacteria in our society how quickly this tyranny of hurt feelings or whatever has taken over everywhere. Especially in software companies, which up until about a year or two ago still were under some Silican Valley boys will be boys exemption to the PC dogma pretty much enforced elsewhere in US society.

    But then it caught up with them.

    This isn't unprecedented. The original pc revolution (computer pc) were another boy's club out in the west coast, esp. Micro$oft in the PNW, completely oblivious to government other than taxes, maybe.

    Really, when MS finally came into the crosshairs of DC in the latter 90s, you got the impression everyone at Microsoft looked up befuddled and said, huh, what is a federal government.

    They had never had lobbyist, made contributions, etc, like not once. Completely laissez faire.

    But then the cow herd started getting so big, the king's men finally noticed and came for their share.
    , @Altai

    Why did Google hire this guy in the first place? He’s a Phd in Life Sciences
     
    Systems Biology is actually right up Google's alley. Most of the new statistical analysis methods from the last 50-60 years stem from systems biology. (A lot from Human population genetics)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systems_biology
    , @biz
    Sigh, all that speculation for nothing. Systems Biology is basically hardcore mathematical and algorithmic modeling. That's exactly what google does in its core businesses.
    , @ben tillman

    Why did Google hire this guy in the first place? He’s a Phd in Life Sciences from Harvard according to reports. Presumably, he cost a lot of money, and last time I checked, Life Sciences is WAAAAAY away from Google’s core business of search/ads, and mobile/android.
     
    He participated in a coding contest sponsored by Google. That's how they identified him.
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  98. They have a bikeshare program in my city and it seems to be working well.

    Huh? Why would it work in Hong Kong and not in Baltimore? Life is a mystery.

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    Bike share works great in México City. Of course, demographically, economically, and culturally Mexico City resembles Hong Kong a lot more than Baltimore. Also in crime rates.
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  99. Tomorrow’s doodle:

    The emperor’s new clothes.

    or perhaps,

    The nail that sticks out gets hammered down.

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  100. Ivy says:
    @whorefinder
    Deep down, lawyers take care of other lawyers. Almost every new bit of legislation comes with a provision for attorney's fees. As the saying goes, the best thing for the only in town is when a second one sets up shop. Lawsuits drive fees, no matter who wins or loses.

    One truism for clients is that the attorney may deal with you once but he has to deal with opposing counsel a lot over the years, and might end up being co-counsel with them. Such considerations can influence their motivation, notwithstanding their oath. I’ve had to fire attorneys who didn’t pay adequate attention.

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    It is equally true that opposing counsel has to deal with your lawyer a lot over the years. I think you are expressing unfounded paranoia. I mean, each lawyer is rolling over to get along with the opposing counsel?

    Having a terrible loss record is not the way to get big clients.

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  101. What’s the best web-based email service to replace gmail?

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    https://www.easydns.com/email/easymail-hosted-imap
    , @jimmyriddle
    GMX.
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  102. Kaz says:
    @NOTA
    So, Google's management just announced to some sizeable fraction of their employees that they will be fired for their political or social beliefs if they're open about them. That strikes me as pretty-much the definition of a toxic work environment. If you heard a friend saying "The day my boss figures out I'm pro-choice, I'll get canned," you'd tell him to find another job, because that's a shitty way for an employer to treat its employees. This is the same.

    There are hundreds of extremely bright people reading this story today who won't apply at Google as a result of this.

    When you pretty much state something like ‘women are in aggregate inferior to men at this because biological reason X’ it’s really hard to not fire someone for it..

    Especially when most of your workers are ‘true believers’.

    I can’t blame Google for this action, any company would have to make this move, you can’t just openly state these things in the current landscape. They would get raked over the coals over this considering the ‘hotbed of sexism’ Silicon Valley is..

    Google won’t fire you for holding rightist positions, I doubt he would get fired if he simply shared the view ‘I believe in enforcing already existing immigration law’.

    I’m not sure how openly people get into politics like this at Google, but in my experience working for the past 4 years since I got out of college in the corporate landscape, people have been incredibly non-political on both sides, smart people who are collaborating know better than to stoke that shit at work.

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    All google had to do was prove him wrong. Oh, wait...
    , @Dan Hayes
    Kaz:

    "Google won't fire you for holding rightists positions."

    Tell that to Brendan Eich whose sin was to monetarily contribute outside work. He wasn't at Google - but nevertheless the same mindset prevails.

    , @Rod1963
    Twenty years ago this would have been a non-issue. The boss would have said "don't let it happen again". he didn't say anything that any guy didn't already know. The guys in the tech field all knew women aren't suited for it, except for a few outliers. You have to be born a male with a certain aptitude to really make it.

    That said, today's white collar workplace tpday has more in common with Soviet Russia than America in 2000. If I was starting out today, I take a field job for BNSF railroad or get in some trade. Screw white collar America. It's self-destructing because of all the SJW PC/MC shit, not mention off-shoring which makes the point of getting a ME, EE or CS degree a joke.

    The good thing is, SJWs will kill Google, Apple and Facef**k in time.
    , @Bill

    Google won’t fire you for holding rightist positions
     
    What? Like, if I said women should not be allowed to vote? Or if I said women should not be allowed to own property or enter into contracts? If I said women should spend their lives under the supervision of a man, either their father, their husband, or a brother? If I said all non-Catholic sects should be banned? If I said the Catholic Faith should be taught in public schools as the truth? That Western Culture (actual Western Culture) is superior? Blacks are stupid and impulsive? Orientals are devious and cruel?

    Offhand, I can't think of any actually rightist position you won't risk being fired for speaking aloud. Looking at Yarvin's experiences, it seems that even looking fondly back at the not-quite-so-insane hyper-liberalism of the Victorian Age is entirely outre.

    You might not get fired for speaking the current version of the always-moving-leftward right-liberalism of the day, but even that is risky. You have to make sure you're always just a little on the light side of that terminator, as the Earth rotates ever leftward.

    All you are saying, really, is that you won't get fired for saying the "right"-most things you won't get fired for saying.
    , @Redman
    I thought he posted anonymously. Google had to take steps to unmask him.

    "stoke that shit..."

    Not sure what you're talking about. We live in interesting times. How is speaking your mind (anonymously) detrimental?

    And not speaking politics is no longer an option, with all of the hate being thrown at the right. Got to pick a side.
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  103. Rod1963 says:
    @interesting
    from the article

    "Danielle Brown, Google’s new vice president for diversity, integrity and governance"

    I wonder what she does all day...........

    She is the last person anyone at Google wants to see, especially if they are a white male or some Bombay drone.

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  104. HI says:
    @Greg Birch
    We need a simple law that makes it clearly and absolutely illegal for a corporation to fire an employee for a belief, thought, political opinion or similar.

    One big hammer thrown down from the top puts an end to it.

    There already is a law like that in California.

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  105. Rod1963 says:
    @AndrewR
    Anyone surprised he was fired simply hasn't been paying attention. This is a company that shamelessly paid homage in a google doodle to Yuri Kochiyama.

    One illuminating quote from her:

    "I consider Osama bin Laden as one of the people that I admire. To me, he is in the category of Malcolm X, Che Guevara, Patrice Lumumba, Fidel Castro ... I thank Islam for bin Laden. America's greed, aggressiveness, and self-righteous arrogance must be stopped. War and weaponry must be abolished."

    I'm hardly a fan of US foreign policy but this makes clear that Google is the enemy. There should be no question about this.

    That was the perfect illustration of Google’s contempt for the West and America.

    They are indeed the enemy.

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  106. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @yyrvjh
    Seeing as Dr. D's "screed" was laced with sops to liberal lore (such as "global warming" LOL), likely he is the easily intimidated type. They probably told him, here's one year's salary as severance, and we're being generous to offer that much, sign on the dotted line or be fired and receive nothing, and he did.

    If by “the easily intimidated type”, you mean the type of man willing to fight the most powerful corporation in history, I agree. ROTFL

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  107. @Marty
    Despite their ability to throw up a blizzard of paper, Big-Law's management side employment lawyers have been losing employment cases in California to underfunded and then-unknown plaintiff's lawyers ever since this area of law sprung into bring in 1981. I myself happened to be in the courtroom during parts of the first-ever "wrongful discharge" case, won by a firm of young nobodies against IBM in San Francisco in '82. No, the problem for Damore won't be the ferocity of the defense, but theseemingly ubiquitous acceptance of "disparate impact" theory by bench and bar, i.e. Including by plaintiffs' lawyers, who in a different context would be champing at the bit. Who's the greatest trial lawyer ever? Did he ever have a case where if he won, he'd never get laid again?

    Hookers don’t read the Harvard Law Review.

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  108. By firing Damore, Google just proved his thesis.

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  109. AndrewR says:
    @Kaz
    When you pretty much state something like 'women are in aggregate inferior to men at this because biological reason X' it's really hard to not fire someone for it..

    Especially when most of your workers are 'true believers'.

    I can't blame Google for this action, any company would have to make this move, you can't just openly state these things in the current landscape. They would get raked over the coals over this considering the 'hotbed of sexism' Silicon Valley is..

    Google won't fire you for holding rightist positions, I doubt he would get fired if he simply shared the view 'I believe in enforcing already existing immigration law'.

    I'm not sure how openly people get into politics like this at Google, but in my experience working for the past 4 years since I got out of college in the corporate landscape, people have been incredibly non-political on both sides, smart people who are collaborating know better than to stoke that shit at work.

    All google had to do was prove him wrong. Oh, wait…

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  110. @snorlax
    I think Justine Tunney, who appears to somehow still be employed at Google, had blue hair at one point.

    I'd give you 1-to-10,000 the one in the photo voted for not-Trump. Sadly I do not possess the financial resources to be a counterparty to the opposite bet.

    Compared to the average Tunney blog post, Damore’s document is like a Barack Obama speech, but he made the mistake of having it blow up all over the internet over a slow news weekend.

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    It's being characterized as a novice mistake. But then again, he does hold a PhD in what sounds like a pretty hard science.

    Maybe he saw an opportunity to exploit an agonally bloated organization reeling from the fever POCs. Maybe this is the opening salvo in the era of the white race hustler. Justice would seem to demand it.

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  111. Dan Hayes says:
    @Kaz
    When you pretty much state something like 'women are in aggregate inferior to men at this because biological reason X' it's really hard to not fire someone for it..

    Especially when most of your workers are 'true believers'.

    I can't blame Google for this action, any company would have to make this move, you can't just openly state these things in the current landscape. They would get raked over the coals over this considering the 'hotbed of sexism' Silicon Valley is..

    Google won't fire you for holding rightist positions, I doubt he would get fired if he simply shared the view 'I believe in enforcing already existing immigration law'.

    I'm not sure how openly people get into politics like this at Google, but in my experience working for the past 4 years since I got out of college in the corporate landscape, people have been incredibly non-political on both sides, smart people who are collaborating know better than to stoke that shit at work.

    Kaz:

    “Google won’t fire you for holding rightists positions.”

    Tell that to Brendan Eich whose sin was to monetarily contribute outside work. He wasn’t at Google – but nevertheless the same mindset prevails.

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  112. @Anonymous
    It's quite unlikely that he has a PhD. He only authored two papers in his life. One unremarkable and one an OK review. No half-decent graduate program would let someone with such output to defend successfully.

    That’s not a black mark only two or three years into a PhD — you’re focused on coursework and quals early on. And few would see quitting grad school to take a gig at Google as a failure.

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  113. @Taco
    Gerry Spence (a leftist) got white separatist Randy Weaver acquitted for the murder of a federal agent in the Ruby Ridge trial.

    That’s because it wasn’t murder, it was self defense.

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    he wasn't accused or acquitted of self defense. He was accused of murder. And represented by a left-leaning lawyer.
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  114. He’ll probably get hired by YouTube. They don’t tend to be as concerned with political correctness, just the bottom line. If Google is the Guardian or NYT of the Internet, YouTube is the Daily Mail.

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    Highly unlikely since Youtube is a Google subsidiary..
    , @Escher
    You do know who owns YouTube.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Did you just rip a bong hit before writing that?
    , @Chriscom
    YouTube has demonitized many right-wing and merely right-leaning videos. They also have thrown politically and culturally right videos behind "sensitive content" barriers that deeply cut into traffic which is the point. One example was a Prager University video that explains why women as an aggregate are paid less than men. Scary stuff!

    Prager eventually got that and other anathematized videos restored, but obviously the net effect is to globally hinder the right, and everyone doesn't win those battles.
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  115. @candid_observer
    One other point regarding the Google decision.

    According to at least one reported internal survey, over a third of the employees agree with the memo, at least in some part. Likely even that number is smaller than the real one because of the shy Heretic effect. One would also expect that among people in serious engineering and science the number is considerably larger, since it wouldn't be diluted with the soft Marketing, HR, and Affirmative Action numbers.

    Now these employees have been served notice that if they ever speak their true beliefs, they too will be fired.

    57

    Now these employees have been served notice that if they ever speak their true beliefs, they too will be fired.

    Sounds like they need a union. And union organizing has some legal protections.

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    Hear! Hear!
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  116. [UPDATE: I'm now not sure if he completed his Ph.D. at Harvard before going to work at Google. Does anybody know?]

    From the Alumni page of the Harvard Systems Biology PhD program apparently not, unless you can get a PhD these days without doing a dissertation. I always assumed that “alumni” meant that one was a graduate, but looking at the definition it can simply refer to attendance.

    http://sysbiophd.harvard.edu/people/alumni

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  117. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Did Obama every really want that *conversation* about race?

    As a business, the last thing Google needs is this particular conversation.

    The fact the guy is right just makes it that much worse.

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  118. JimB says:
    @Anonymous
    Fsking disgusting. We are in the full late USSR mode. Give these jerks a few more years and that's it, we are finished, well past the point of no return.

    I’m not sure ‘we’ will be finished in the near future but Google is on a path of self-destruction. They can be buried in a corporate graveyard next to Blockbuster Video and Wang computers.

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  119. Google was zugzwanged by their past posturing (“don’t be evil”, making information free, Sergey Brin pieties on China and censorship) and by the memo itself. They chose by far the worst move, a decision so obviously bad that it can only be explained if their hand was forced by internal Jihadi turmoil.

    Predictions:

    1. Google will never live this down.

    2. Investors now understand the management is captive to past SJW hiring and culture enforcement. The company is overexpanded and overly cushy, resulting in academia-like pathologies.

    3. Facebook will be presumed to suffer the same problems (though still a few years behind Google on the elephantine growth curve) until proven otherwise.

    4. In hindsight, this will be the “Trump moment” for Silicon Valley that starts the coalescence of alt-tech.

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    The company is overexpanded and overly cushy, resulting in academia-like pathologies.
     
    An excellent point concisely stated. Conveys a huge amount of information/implication.
    , @Olorin
    What I'm finding deja vutastically weird is hearing language reverberating between this instance and the dust-up at The Evergreen State College in WA state. (I have a good number of friends who work there--based guys and gals completely at odds with the academic madness.)

    Your intro sentences and points 1 and 2 describe the Evergreen situation as deftly as the Mountain View one.

    I want to believe we are turning a corner. Which is precisely why I can't believe it.
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  120. O'Really says:

    Interesting tidbit from the NY Times:

    Before being fired, Mr. Damore said, he had submitted a complaint to the National Labor Relations Board claiming that Google’s upper management was “misrepresenting and shaming me in order to silence my complaints.” He added that it was “illegal to retaliate” against an N.L.R.B. charge.

    Maybe I’m hopelessly optimistic, but I don’t think this is going to work out the way Google wants it to. Who runs the NLRB?

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  121. Rod1963 says:
    @Kaz
    When you pretty much state something like 'women are in aggregate inferior to men at this because biological reason X' it's really hard to not fire someone for it..

    Especially when most of your workers are 'true believers'.

    I can't blame Google for this action, any company would have to make this move, you can't just openly state these things in the current landscape. They would get raked over the coals over this considering the 'hotbed of sexism' Silicon Valley is..

    Google won't fire you for holding rightist positions, I doubt he would get fired if he simply shared the view 'I believe in enforcing already existing immigration law'.

    I'm not sure how openly people get into politics like this at Google, but in my experience working for the past 4 years since I got out of college in the corporate landscape, people have been incredibly non-political on both sides, smart people who are collaborating know better than to stoke that shit at work.

    Twenty years ago this would have been a non-issue. The boss would have said “don’t let it happen again”. he didn’t say anything that any guy didn’t already know. The guys in the tech field all knew women aren’t suited for it, except for a few outliers. You have to be born a male with a certain aptitude to really make it.

    That said, today’s white collar workplace tpday has more in common with Soviet Russia than America in 2000. If I was starting out today, I take a field job for BNSF railroad or get in some trade. Screw white collar America. It’s self-destructing because of all the SJW PC/MC shit, not mention off-shoring which makes the point of getting a ME, EE or CS degree a joke.

    The good thing is, SJWs will kill Google, Apple and Facef**k in time.

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  122. Time for Mr Thiel to fund another interesting piece of litigation?

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  123. anonguy says:
    @Whiskey
    Why did Google hire this guy in the first place? He's a Phd in Life Sciences from Harvard according to reports. Presumably, he cost a lot of money, and last time I checked, Life Sciences is WAAAAAY away from Google's core business of search/ads, and mobile/android.

    To me this says Google is already seeing rapid erosion of their revenue base in search/ads, and mobile/android. Samsung has invested in Tizen, and there are several alternatives beyond THAT for carriers and/or manufacturers to fund that will easily run android apps which are all Java based: Sailfish OS, Ubuntu Touch (abandoned by Canonical but forked by the community), Firefox OS (same) and so on. All are Linux based open source-ish at least, with reasonable licensing structures and customization possibilities up the ying yang that Google no longer offers on stock android.

    So Google is trying to get into AI, self-driving cars, AR, biomedical (where the fired employee fits in) and the like. HOW exactly is giving in to the SJW Witch hunt going to allow them to compete in this area where they already face some rather nasty lawsuits alleging that White males in their drone program were discriminated against for their MILITARY BACKGROUND? Link here. [Business Insider, Safe for work]

    Google has no permanent advantage. People can dump Google Docs in a heartbeat, AND WILL if they are not on the SJW Witchburning brigade. Same with Google Calendar, Google Mail, etc. There are a zillion web services, all of which are likely as easy to use as the others. Heck Iphone users don't even bother with Google most of the time; they stick with Apple apps. And the Iphone still dominates in the US because its easier and just works: Apple does the software/hardware integration and won't let it be filled with non-removable crapware by the carriers.

    Their ad/search business is disappearing with phony click bots on swarms of botnets often accounting for 75% of some ad views. Didn't P&G abandon all internet ads over phony bot views?

    Remember the giants of yore: Kodak, SGI, Sun, DEC, Commodore, Amiga, etc? How mighty they were? Google needs to expend a lot of cash to operate those data centers and constantly mine that data; but they are one Snowden away from massive lawsuits and consumer abandonment. No one NEEDS to use Google Docs; you can always use LibreOffice or Apple Sheets or whatever they call it or even Microsoft Office online. Google's only advantage was smart White guys who they've chased away now.

    Great observations.

    My impression of Google is that their livelihood in recent years has been their murky intersection with the national security apparatus and the legacy cash cow ads stuff.

    Everything else, meh, interesting stuff, but as to making dough or disrupting the world like search engine stuff, nah, they’ve gone to seed, full employment for upwardly ambitious urban hipstery.

    The men in the gray flannel suits of the 2010s… Conventional beliefs/appearance, etc.

    Now, new sheriff is in town, paving contracts, the national security ones, are going somewhere else.

    Totally with you, Google is in the first wobbles of a death spiral. This thought regime stuff is something that has been propagating incredibly fast, even two years ago, firing this dude preemptorily probably wouldn’t have happened.

    It is like a flesh-eating bacteria in our society how quickly this tyranny of hurt feelings or whatever has taken over everywhere. Especially in software companies, which up until about a year or two ago still were under some Silican Valley boys will be boys exemption to the PC dogma pretty much enforced elsewhere in US society.

    But then it caught up with them.

    This isn’t unprecedented. The original pc revolution (computer pc) were another boy’s club out in the west coast, esp. Micro$oft in the PNW, completely oblivious to government other than taxes, maybe.

    Really, when MS finally came into the crosshairs of DC in the latter 90s, you got the impression everyone at Microsoft looked up befuddled and said, huh, what is a federal government.

    They had never had lobbyist, made contributions, etc, like not once. Completely laissez faire.

    But then the cow herd started getting so big, the king’s men finally noticed and came for their share.

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    "that their livelihood in recent years has been their murky intersection with the national security apparatus "

    Look up their initial investors and board - chock-full of deep state types.
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  124. @TelfoedJohn
    What's the best web-based email service to replace gmail?
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    Are they trustworthy? I've heard protonmail is good for security and privacy, but for all I know they may be NSA backed.
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  125. @WowJustWow
    Compared to the average Tunney blog post, Damore's document is like a Barack Obama speech, but he made the mistake of having it blow up all over the internet over a slow news weekend.

    It’s being characterized as a novice mistake. But then again, he does hold a PhD in what sounds like a pretty hard science.

    Maybe he saw an opportunity to exploit an agonally bloated organization reeling from the fever POCs. Maybe this is the opening salvo in the era of the white race hustler. Justice would seem to demand it.

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  126. anonguy says:
    @academic gossip
    Google was zugzwanged by their past posturing ("don't be evil", making information free, Sergey Brin pieties on China and censorship) and by the memo itself. They chose by far the worst move, a decision so obviously bad that it can only be explained if their hand was forced by internal Jihadi turmoil.

    Predictions:

    1. Google will never live this down.

    2. Investors now understand the management is captive to past SJW hiring and culture enforcement. The company is overexpanded and overly cushy, resulting in academia-like pathologies.

    3. Facebook will be presumed to suffer the same problems (though still a few years behind Google on the elephantine growth curve) until proven otherwise.

    4. In hindsight, this will be the "Trump moment" for Silicon Valley that starts the coalescence of alt-tech.

    The company is overexpanded and overly cushy, resulting in academia-like pathologies.

    An excellent point concisely stated. Conveys a huge amount of information/implication.

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  127. Clyde says:

    UK Daily Mail front page now has a photo of James Damore. He looks like a wet behind the ears college boy.

    Danmore, who graduated from Harvard in 2013, had noted that women could not get ahead at Google because of biological differences. It prompted backlash from Google’s new head of diversity, Danielle Brown, who denounced the memo in her own note to staff.

    In cultural appropriation news:

    Loretta Lynch used secret email account in bogus name of ‘Elizabeth Carlisle’ for messages about meeting with Bill Clinton during Hillary…

    Why not Shanizqua? I have never heard of a black with that last name which has NE upper class connotations.

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  128. @unpc downunder
    He'll probably get hired by YouTube. They don't tend to be as concerned with political correctness, just the bottom line. If Google is the Guardian or NYT of the Internet, YouTube is the Daily Mail.

    Highly unlikely since Youtube is a Google subsidiary..

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  129. @TelfoedJohn
    What's the best web-based email service to replace gmail?

    GMX.

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  130. @anonguy
    Great observations.

    My impression of Google is that their livelihood in recent years has been their murky intersection with the national security apparatus and the legacy cash cow ads stuff.

    Everything else, meh, interesting stuff, but as to making dough or disrupting the world like search engine stuff, nah, they've gone to seed, full employment for upwardly ambitious urban hipstery.

    The men in the gray flannel suits of the 2010s... Conventional beliefs/appearance, etc.

    Now, new sheriff is in town, paving contracts, the national security ones, are going somewhere else.

    Totally with you, Google is in the first wobbles of a death spiral. This thought regime stuff is something that has been propagating incredibly fast, even two years ago, firing this dude preemptorily probably wouldn't have happened.

    It is like a flesh-eating bacteria in our society how quickly this tyranny of hurt feelings or whatever has taken over everywhere. Especially in software companies, which up until about a year or two ago still were under some Silican Valley boys will be boys exemption to the PC dogma pretty much enforced elsewhere in US society.

    But then it caught up with them.

    This isn't unprecedented. The original pc revolution (computer pc) were another boy's club out in the west coast, esp. Micro$oft in the PNW, completely oblivious to government other than taxes, maybe.

    Really, when MS finally came into the crosshairs of DC in the latter 90s, you got the impression everyone at Microsoft looked up befuddled and said, huh, what is a federal government.

    They had never had lobbyist, made contributions, etc, like not once. Completely laissez faire.

    But then the cow herd started getting so big, the king's men finally noticed and came for their share.

    “that their livelihood in recent years has been their murky intersection with the national security apparatus ”

    Look up their initial investors and board – chock-full of deep state types.

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  131. [UPDATE: I'm now not sure if he completed his Ph.D. at Harvard before going to work at Google. Does anybody know?]

    http://sysbiophd.harvard.edu/people/alumni

    It lists him as an alumni, but no dissertation title. He may have been an ABD (all but dissertation), meaning, he had completed his dissertation but didn’t defend it yet. The dissertation defense is mostly a formality; Google might not have required him to have it defended. Or, more likely, his dissertation was irrelevant (or just bad, but all dissertations are) to whatever he’s currently doing.

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  132. I see a whole lot of talk, very little action, even fewer talk of mobilising for action.

    Imagine being 90 and coming to the Stevoggle AI blog, just to complain…about everything!

    You say Science is on your side prove it, disprove the wrong tweets, rebut the wrong articles, let your voices be heard.

    Back when “Whites” weren’t Beta males, one said that the point “was to change the world”.

    Scratch that, looks like the racist ones were always whiny Betas hiding underneath the tail-coats of greater men, I mean just look at the amount of grown men here, screaming for Thiel to ride to the rescue, just Pathetic.

    Damore strikes me as truly intelligent, he’s bitten the dust, more will follow.

    In 2100, Stevoggle will cite posts from him, just as the current version does from Enoch Powell. BTW, another truly exceptional man who your forebears in whiny Betarism, allowed to be mauled by his lessers.

    Any moment now, some paragon of the vaunted white IQ will quip about the Chinese riding in to save the day.

    Sad!

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    another truly exceptional man who your forebears in whiny Betarism
     
    I'd have used Betastan for a bit more stylistic flair.
    , @Mr. Anon
    I guess you said something there. I don't know. I don't read nigerian spam.
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  133. Olorin says:
    @academic gossip
    Google was zugzwanged by their past posturing ("don't be evil", making information free, Sergey Brin pieties on China and censorship) and by the memo itself. They chose by far the worst move, a decision so obviously bad that it can only be explained if their hand was forced by internal Jihadi turmoil.

    Predictions:

    1. Google will never live this down.

    2. Investors now understand the management is captive to past SJW hiring and culture enforcement. The company is overexpanded and overly cushy, resulting in academia-like pathologies.

    3. Facebook will be presumed to suffer the same problems (though still a few years behind Google on the elephantine growth curve) until proven otherwise.

    4. In hindsight, this will be the "Trump moment" for Silicon Valley that starts the coalescence of alt-tech.

    What I’m finding deja vutastically weird is hearing language reverberating between this instance and the dust-up at The Evergreen State College in WA state. (I have a good number of friends who work there–based guys and gals completely at odds with the academic madness.)

    Your intro sentences and points 1 and 2 describe the Evergreen situation as deftly as the Mountain View one.

    I want to believe we are turning a corner. Which is precisely why I can’t believe it.

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  134. @jig
    Story I heard: he quit his phd program.
    Another story I heard: he refused to apologize for joking about masturbating to his female colleagues in an internal presentation.
    I don't know whether either is true.

    Yeah. I was thinking, “this is a guy with nothing to lose,” as in his job isn’t working out anyway, so why not get fired for speaking the truth…

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    Yes, I would worry about getting too far out ahead in terms of hooking on to this guy. If there are negative anecdotes, it will be in Google's interest to make sure they get out. Will be interesting to see how google hits for Damore evolve over the next few days.
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  135. @James Richard
    https://www.easydns.com/email/easymail-hosted-imap

    Are they trustworthy? I’ve heard protonmail is good for security and privacy, but for all I know they may be NSA backed.

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    These guys are in Canada and are totally legit. Very reliable and totally upfront about everything. I've used them for years and they have been in business since 1998.
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  136. @Anonymous
    It's quite unlikely that he has a PhD. He only authored two papers in his life. One unremarkable and one an OK review. No half-decent graduate program would let someone with such output to defend successfully.

    If Unz weren’t such a scrooge, I’d “Troll” you, but I already “LOL”d this hour, you troll.

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  137. Randal says:

    Google sacks the memo employee – one of the most predictable headlines of recent times.

    Yet another example of leftists acting as “fascists” (in the exact same inaccurate sense the left endlessly uses the term). So much for “don’t be evil”.

    The question for the persecuted political right is: will – can – Google be made to pay a very public price? If they can’t or won’t, then you have your explanation right there of why and how the corporate hierarchies have become so aggressively socially leftist in the past couple of decades. A legalist and social ratchet travelling only in one direction.

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  138. It’s all a big misunderstanding of societal facts, really, don’t you worry at all: The Guardian has it, that women in fact invented (!) computer programming and therefor, google is outright oppressing women, and he who opposes such views has to be fired – because of – – Eugenics (=Hitler).
    Everything is very easy if you are an oppressed (immigrant background) women, writing in the Guardian, hehe:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/07/silicon-valley-weapon-choice-women-google-manifesto-gender-difference-eugenics

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  139. @TelfoedJohn
    Are they trustworthy? I've heard protonmail is good for security and privacy, but for all I know they may be NSA backed.

    These guys are in Canada and are totally legit. Very reliable and totally upfront about everything. I’ve used them for years and they have been in business since 1998.

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    These guys are in Canada and are totally legit. Very reliable and totally upfront about everything. I’ve used them for years and they have been in business since 1998.
     
    Uh, I don't even think the weak anti-domestic spying prohibitions apply if you're basing your communications in Canada.
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  140. Nico says:
    @eah
    Probably. Or soon.

    https://twitter.com/THauerBYI/status/893868004303400963

    I don’t wonder. It’s the THOT police.

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  141. sabril says:
    @Clyde
    The Trump administration should stick a thumb in googoo's cyclops eye by offering James Damore a high paying Federal job...Centers for Disease Control whatever...At least offer it then Damore can take it or leave it if he can do better.

    The Trump administration should stick a thumb in googoo’s cyclops eye by offering James Damore a high paying Federal job…Centers for Disease Control whatever…At least offer it then Damore can take it or leave it if he can do better.

    It would be nice if some conservative organization somewhere offered the guy a good job. The Left uses that strategy when one of their own steps so far out of line that he loses his job.

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    In recent history, the only example that comes to mind of a leftist who lost his job due to his politics is Van Jones, whom the White House had to let go when it came out that he is a card-carrying Communist and a 9/11 Truther. However, I'm not sure the Obama administration completely cut him out, and anyway he got a high-profile on-air position at CNN.
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  142. O'Really says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    Yeah. I was thinking, "this is a guy with nothing to lose," as in his job isn't working out anyway, so why not get fired for speaking the truth...

    Yes, I would worry about getting too far out ahead in terms of hooking on to this guy. If there are negative anecdotes, it will be in Google’s interest to make sure they get out. Will be interesting to see how google hits for Damore evolve over the next few days.

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    When a story has interesting developments overnight, it's often iSteve overload in the morning. I can't keep up! Notwithstanding that I can't get to all of them, thanks to the A-list commenters for their contributions.

    A few thoughts.

    For the record, here is CBS Evening News' piece from last night on the affair (just prior to Damore's outing). The indignant, sneering tone that white male reporter John Blackstone uses to report on the bigoted heretic whose hatefacts are setting back the cause of Social Justice -- that's precious. (I watched it so you can use allot those two minutes to a better purpose.)

    I recall reading (no links) that in the '40s and '50s, the NAACP spent a great deal of effort deciding which Rosa-Parks-like civil rights cases to back. They wanted ones where the victim had a snow-white record. As has been discussed upthread, the Panopticon reserves this option to those who wield the Megaphone. Damore has certainly done something bad -- maybe it's "masturbating in front of female colleagues", but no worries if not. Google will find and leak something, from his time at Alphabet or at Harvard. Or high school, for that matter.

    And (also noted upthread), even if Damore seems unblemished, there are plenty of jihadiettes who are eager to recover memories of the aggressions that he committed. Plenty of reason for the mainstream media to keep the spotlight away from the content of the memo.

    It seems obvious that Google would have offered Damore a high six figure severance that comes with a nondisclosure agreement. From the memo, Damore is a goodthinker who chafes under the Current Year's wisdom at only a few points. Unlikely that he wants to risk becoming a Dreyfus figure in the service of the forces of darkness.

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  144. anonguy says:
    @Nigerian Nationalist
    I see a whole lot of talk, very little action, even fewer talk of mobilising for action.

    Imagine being 90 and coming to the Stevoggle AI blog, just to complain...about everything!

    You say Science is on your side prove it, disprove the wrong tweets, rebut the wrong articles, let your voices be heard.

    Back when "Whites" weren't Beta males, one said that the point "was to change the world".

    Scratch that, looks like the racist ones were always whiny Betas hiding underneath the tail-coats of greater men, I mean just look at the amount of grown men here, screaming for Thiel to ride to the rescue, just Pathetic.

    Damore strikes me as truly intelligent, he's bitten the dust, more will follow.

    In 2100, Stevoggle will cite posts from him, just as the current version does from Enoch Powell. BTW, another truly exceptional man who your forebears in whiny Betarism, allowed to be mauled by his lessers.

    Any moment now, some paragon of the vaunted white IQ will quip about the Chinese riding in to save the day.

    Sad!

    another truly exceptional man who your forebears in whiny Betarism

    I’d have used Betastan for a bit more stylistic flair.

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    Stolen for next time. Whine Betastan.
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  145. Escher says:
    @unpc downunder
    He'll probably get hired by YouTube. They don't tend to be as concerned with political correctness, just the bottom line. If Google is the Guardian or NYT of the Internet, YouTube is the Daily Mail.

    You do know who owns YouTube.

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  147. @eah
    They weren't stolen, they're just "missing" -- someone please file 440 missing bike reports.

    https://twitter.com/RealDoctorWhite/status/894708758873489408

    One more from the category of “Why We Can’t Have Nice Things.”

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  148. I’m not sure how Google makes any money at all in the ordinary sense. I’ve never clicked on a single Google ad in my entire life—not once. And mining and selling metadata can’t possibly be that lucrative. Who would really want to buy that stuff and what would they do with it? When it comes to me and millions of other normal people, there just isn’t anything about my data worth mining. I’m low-grade ore.

    These aren’t companies anymore. Google, Facebook, and Amazon are basically Directorates of the globalist empire, funded by QE and economic repression, and symbiotically fused to the Deep State. This is all rather unsurprising in retrospect, for without that certain cachet of mythic greatness that authority confers, these companies never would have made it this far. In pure economic terms, they aren’t viable. They are supported—in the same way that temples, shrines, and monasteries are supported—because people believe in them. Should that belief be shaken (and it appears that it has been) nothing will prevent their ultimate collapse.

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    There are people who react to advertisments. In fact - there are a few billions of them. And then there are exceptions. I can imagine, that you're one of those.
    , @Clyde
    The Incredible Lie Of Internet Advertising
    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3424969

    The incentives for AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, Google, Apple, Facebook, SNAP and similar, in other words, are exactly opposed to an advertiser's incentives. In fact as long as you tolerate the additional cost in both time and money to transmit all that spam to your screen they love it since it drives up the numbers they use to sell ads and, in the case of the transport firms, the direct revenue from you as a customer!

    An advertiser only gets a good deal in buying advertising if he or she earns more in profit than the ad costs to run. Not revenue folks, profit. Every incentive the carriers, OS sellers and social media firms have is directly dilutive if not actively opposed to the interests of said advertisers!

    Eventually advertisers are going to figure this out. P&G already has to some small extent; they cut $100 million off their digital ad spend last quarter and saw no decrease in revenue growth. While $100 million isn't a large percentage of the total advertising budget for a company like P&G it underlines the point; that money was literally a cash bonfire handed to the people running the ads as it bought them exactly zero increase in business.

    If and when the stock market figures this out Facebook is a literal ghost.
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  149. Nico says:
    @jig
    Story I heard: he quit his phd program.
    Another story I heard: he refused to apologize for joking about masturbating to his female colleagues in an internal presentation.
    I don't know whether either is true.

    Another story I heard: he refused to apologize for joking about masturbating to his female colleagues in an internal presentation.

    Even if it’s true we should stay intransingent with our support for this guy:

    1. Silicon Valley has been at the forefront of the bourgeois appropriation of sexual revolutionary libertinism. Let the chips fall on the chippers.
    2. Workplace THOTs have whined for years about exclusion from the good ol’ boys circle and boxing-in by stereotypes. So let them come into our dirty-jokes-and-beer party, and let us take their presence in stride and never succumb to the stereotype assumption that women appreciate salacious humor less than man.

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  150. Altai says:
    @Whiskey
    Why did Google hire this guy in the first place? He's a Phd in Life Sciences from Harvard according to reports. Presumably, he cost a lot of money, and last time I checked, Life Sciences is WAAAAAY away from Google's core business of search/ads, and mobile/android.

    To me this says Google is already seeing rapid erosion of their revenue base in search/ads, and mobile/android. Samsung has invested in Tizen, and there are several alternatives beyond THAT for carriers and/or manufacturers to fund that will easily run android apps which are all Java based: Sailfish OS, Ubuntu Touch (abandoned by Canonical but forked by the community), Firefox OS (same) and so on. All are Linux based open source-ish at least, with reasonable licensing structures and customization possibilities up the ying yang that Google no longer offers on stock android.

    So Google is trying to get into AI, self-driving cars, AR, biomedical (where the fired employee fits in) and the like. HOW exactly is giving in to the SJW Witch hunt going to allow them to compete in this area where they already face some rather nasty lawsuits alleging that White males in their drone program were discriminated against for their MILITARY BACKGROUND? Link here. [Business Insider, Safe for work]

    Google has no permanent advantage. People can dump Google Docs in a heartbeat, AND WILL if they are not on the SJW Witchburning brigade. Same with Google Calendar, Google Mail, etc. There are a zillion web services, all of which are likely as easy to use as the others. Heck Iphone users don't even bother with Google most of the time; they stick with Apple apps. And the Iphone still dominates in the US because its easier and just works: Apple does the software/hardware integration and won't let it be filled with non-removable crapware by the carriers.

    Their ad/search business is disappearing with phony click bots on swarms of botnets often accounting for 75% of some ad views. Didn't P&G abandon all internet ads over phony bot views?

    Remember the giants of yore: Kodak, SGI, Sun, DEC, Commodore, Amiga, etc? How mighty they were? Google needs to expend a lot of cash to operate those data centers and constantly mine that data; but they are one Snowden away from massive lawsuits and consumer abandonment. No one NEEDS to use Google Docs; you can always use LibreOffice or Apple Sheets or whatever they call it or even Microsoft Office online. Google's only advantage was smart White guys who they've chased away now.

    Why did Google hire this guy in the first place? He’s a Phd in Life Sciences

    Systems Biology is actually right up Google’s alley. Most of the new statistical analysis methods from the last 50-60 years stem from systems biology. (A lot from Human population genetics)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systems_biology

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  151. @Intelligent Dasein
    I'm not sure how Google makes any money at all in the ordinary sense. I've never clicked on a single Google ad in my entire life---not once. And mining and selling metadata can't possibly be that lucrative. Who would really want to buy that stuff and what would they do with it? When it comes to me and millions of other normal people, there just isn't anything about my data worth mining. I'm low-grade ore.

    These aren't companies anymore. Google, Facebook, and Amazon are basically Directorates of the globalist empire, funded by QE and economic repression, and symbiotically fused to the Deep State. This is all rather unsurprising in retrospect, for without that certain cachet of mythic greatness that authority confers, these companies never would have made it this far. In pure economic terms, they aren't viable. They are supported---in the same way that temples, shrines, and monasteries are supported---because people believe in them. Should that belief be shaken (and it appears that it has been) nothing will prevent their ultimate collapse.

    There are people who react to advertisments. In fact – there are a few billions of them. And then there are exceptions. I can imagine, that you’re one of those.

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  152. @Massimo Heitor
    Google: We support freedom of opinion and diversity of thought... unless you disagree with us in which case we fire you.

    This is too much of a giant easy target. SNL and light night comedy should have some easy laughs mocking Google on this one.

    “This is too much of a giant easy target. SNL and light night comedy should have some easy laughs mocking Google on this one.”

    I’m not familiar enough with your posting history to tell if you’re being facetious or not.

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    “This is too much of a giant easy target. SNL and light night comedy should have some easy laughs mocking Google on this one.”

    I’m not familiar enough with your posting history to tell if you’re being facetious or not.
     
    Being serious. All the editors at National Review are mocking Google for this.

    SNL overall leans hard left, and the writers lean left, but they have at least one really good right wing writer who you can see occasionally does a very anti-PC sketch. Sailer has linked several good ones.
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  153. JackOH says:
    @Judah Benjamin Hur
    If conservatives (or just honest people) won't fight back, this will continue. I'm hoping the Trump Administration goes to work on this right away. We all have to do our part in some meaningful way (any suggestions?).

    Second, we have to figure out how a guy like James Damore, a true hero, can benefit from this. We can't allow his career to be ruined.

    Suggestions? Yeah. James Damore is a guy with something to say, he’s said it, and got canned for it. Is there someone among the writers or commentariat here who can persuade a speakers’ bureau to take Mr. Damore on as a client? Ron? Steve? Is Mr. Damore cause celebre material?

    Secondly, folks who are especially energized by the Damore story ought to think about running off paper copies of Steve’s posts, passing them to friends or colleagues, and asking them what they think.

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  154. jim jones says:

    Proton Mail have a good reputation for security, they have now brought out a VPN:

    https://protonvpn.com/

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  155. Ben Kurtz says: • Website

    Google’s actions seem to be a clear violation of California Labor Code § 1101 et seq…

    Not that I expect any public authority in the People’s Republic of California to do anything about it, or even give a private litigant the time of day.

    Still… any Google employees out there? Someone with an old-fashioned sense of fair play might want to lodge a formal complaint with the attorney general’s whistleblower hotline: (800) 952-5225 • (916) 322-3360.

    https://benkurtzblog.wordpress.com/2017/08/08/googles-apparent-violation-of-cal-lab-code-%C2%A7-1101-et-seq/

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    Damore says he'll sue based on this law. He's already filed a complaint with National Labor Board.
    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/07/business/google-women-engineer-fired-memo.html


    Mr. Damore, who worked on infrastructure for Google’s search product, said he believed that the company’s actions were illegal and that he would “likely be pursuing legal action.”

    “I have a legal right to express my concerns about the terms and conditions of my working environment and to bring up potentially illegal behavior, which is what my document does,” Mr. Damore said.

    Before being fired, Mr. Damore said, he had submitted a complaint to the National Labor Relations Board claiming that Google’s upper management was “misrepresenting and shaming me in order to silence my complaints.” He added that it was “illegal to retaliate” against an N.L.R.B. charge.
     
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  156. Free-flowing discourse is valuable and permissible. Except when it violates the tenets of equity. ‘Equity’ is a broad-based term which means basically anything the coalition of SJWs and corporate overlords says it means. Equity will be invoked by this coalition whenever it becomes threatened and especially when a member of society’s untermenschen starts acting up.

    The Rule of Equity trumps the Rule of Law. Much of the Rule of Equity is unspoken and unwritten. It even trumps presidentially powers. It’s much like the 0th Amendment.

    The old American Republic is dead.

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  157. Clyde says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    I'm not sure how Google makes any money at all in the ordinary sense. I've never clicked on a single Google ad in my entire life---not once. And mining and selling metadata can't possibly be that lucrative. Who would really want to buy that stuff and what would they do with it? When it comes to me and millions of other normal people, there just isn't anything about my data worth mining. I'm low-grade ore.

    These aren't companies anymore. Google, Facebook, and Amazon are basically Directorates of the globalist empire, funded by QE and economic repression, and symbiotically fused to the Deep State. This is all rather unsurprising in retrospect, for without that certain cachet of mythic greatness that authority confers, these companies never would have made it this far. In pure economic terms, they aren't viable. They are supported---in the same way that temples, shrines, and monasteries are supported---because people believe in them. Should that belief be shaken (and it appears that it has been) nothing will prevent their ultimate collapse.

    The Incredible Lie Of Internet Advertising

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3424969

    The incentives for AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, Google, Apple, Facebook, SNAP and similar, in other words, are exactly opposed to an advertiser’s incentives. In fact as long as you tolerate the additional cost in both time and money to transmit all that spam to your screen they love it since it drives up the numbers they use to sell ads and, in the case of the transport firms, the direct revenue from you as a customer!

    An advertiser only gets a good deal in buying advertising if he or she earns more in profit than the ad costs to run. Not revenue folks, profit. Every incentive the carriers, OS sellers and social media firms have is directly dilutive if not actively opposed to the interests of said advertisers!

    Eventually advertisers are going to figure this out. P&G already has to some small extent; they cut $100 million off their digital ad spend last quarter and saw no decrease in revenue growth. While $100 million isn’t a large percentage of the total advertising budget for a company like P&G it underlines the point; that money was literally a cash bonfire handed to the people running the ads as it bought them exactly zero increase in business.

    If and when the stock market figures this out Facebook is a literal ghost.

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    If and when the stock market figures this out Facebook is a literal ghost.

    Unfortunately, even if Zuck loses a few tens of billions, he'll still have lots. In 20 years I want to read about him living in a trailer out in the desert, not on his giant walled estate in Hawaii.
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  158. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @JerryC
    Working at Google seems like it's a lot like being in the Soviet Politburo in the 30s. Witch hunts, secret enemies lists, a general air of paranoia and mistrust.

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/08/07/revealed-inside-googles-sjw-cabal-blacklists/

    It’s like that at every big employer. I’m at a real big name university (perhaps the biggest name) and every week we get politically charged emails from the head honchos. Slamming some trump administration action or the other.

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  159. @Altai
    Fortunately none of those work there except the normal looking woman in front. If I recall this was one of Googles face-saving outreach programmes where they have a little self-important conference with these SJWs (Anita Sarkessian and the woman currently known as Zoe Quinn) on making the internet more 'safe' (Read: censored of people talking back to provocative political content espoused by a woman or man who thinks he is a woman). But I don't know how much they implemented (Remember the media hype was so intense those two made it all the way to the UN!) and how much was hyper signalling during GamerGate which was regarded by the internets as serious business that one had to pick a side on. But just the idea that they'd host that crew of crazies is deeply disturbing.

    Similar to how Google gave Clock-boy a place at their exclusive summer camp for gifted kids despite knowing full well he wasn't quite in the same league as the others.

    This women in front istn’t looking “normal”, she’s looking good, isn’t she?

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  160. Mike P. says:
    @Anonymous
    It's quite unlikely that he has a PhD. He only authored two papers in his life. One unremarkable and one an OK review. No half-decent graduate program would let someone with such output to defend successfully.

    This is certainly not true in the humanities. I know plenty of people who have defended without any publications (but with jobs in hand).

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  161. ic1000 says:
    @O'Really
    Yes, I would worry about getting too far out ahead in terms of hooking on to this guy. If there are negative anecdotes, it will be in Google's interest to make sure they get out. Will be interesting to see how google hits for Damore evolve over the next few days.

    When a story has interesting developments overnight, it’s often iSteve overload in the morning. I can’t keep up! Notwithstanding that I can’t get to all of them, thanks to the A-list commenters for their contributions.

    A few thoughts.

    For the record, here is CBS Evening News’ piece from last night on the affair (just prior to Damore’s outing). The indignant, sneering tone that white male reporter John Blackstone uses to report on the bigoted heretic whose hatefacts are setting back the cause of Social Justice — that’s precious. (I watched it so you can use allot those two minutes to a better purpose.)

    I recall reading (no links) that in the ’40s and ’50s, the NAACP spent a great deal of effort deciding which Rosa-Parks-like civil rights cases to back. They wanted ones where the victim had a snow-white record. As has been discussed upthread, the Panopticon reserves this option to those who wield the Megaphone. Damore has certainly done something bad — maybe it’s “masturbating in front of female colleagues”, but no worries if not. Google will find and leak something, from his time at Alphabet or at Harvard. Or high school, for that matter.

    And (also noted upthread), even if Damore seems unblemished, there are plenty of jihadiettes who are eager to recover memories of the aggressions that he committed. Plenty of reason for the mainstream media to keep the spotlight away from the content of the memo.

    It seems obvious that Google would have offered Damore a high six figure severance that comes with a nondisclosure agreement. From the memo, Damore is a goodthinker who chafes under the Current Year’s wisdom at only a few points. Unlikely that he wants to risk becoming a Dreyfus figure in the service of the forces of darkness.

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  162. @yyrvjh
    Seeing as Dr. D's "screed" was laced with sops to liberal lore (such as "global warming" LOL), likely he is the easily intimidated type. They probably told him, here's one year's salary as severance, and we're being generous to offer that much, sign on the dotted line or be fired and receive nothing, and he did.

    I’m pretty sure it’s called knowing your audience.

    I know some of the AR Internet Templars here who haven’t stuck a thumb into the eye of the SJW hive mind think he should have opened with the 16 points of the AR, but considering the intended recipients it was fine.

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  163. @unpc downunder
    He'll probably get hired by YouTube. They don't tend to be as concerned with political correctness, just the bottom line. If Google is the Guardian or NYT of the Internet, YouTube is the Daily Mail.

    Did you just rip a bong hit before writing that?

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  164. Taco says:
    @James Richard
    That's because it wasn't murder, it was self defense.

    he wasn’t accused or acquitted of self defense. He was accused of murder. And represented by a left-leaning lawyer.

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    Self defense is an affirmative defense to a charge of murder. It means the defendant met the twin burdens of proof and production to establish that his acts were justified in his defense to gain an acquittal.
    , @James Richard
    I know what he was accused of but the only murders committed were by U.S Marshal Larry Cooper who shot unarmed 14-year old Sammy Weaver in the back and by FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi who killed Vicki Weaver while she was holding her infant son in her arms.

    That's why the federal government paid Randy Weaver $3.1 million to settle his wrongful death suits for these crimes.
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  165. Chriscom says:
    @unpc downunder
    He'll probably get hired by YouTube. They don't tend to be as concerned with political correctness, just the bottom line. If Google is the Guardian or NYT of the Internet, YouTube is the Daily Mail.

    YouTube has demonitized many right-wing and merely right-leaning videos. They also have thrown politically and culturally right videos behind “sensitive content” barriers that deeply cut into traffic which is the point. One example was a Prager University video that explains why women as an aggregate are paid less than men. Scary stuff!

    Prager eventually got that and other anathematized videos restored, but obviously the net effect is to globally hinder the right, and everyone doesn’t win those battles.

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  166. @Canadian Observer
    This Harvard man has one hell of a White Protestant schnoz on him.

    This Harvard man has one hell of a White Protestant schnoz on him.

    Damore looks like D’Amore, which is Italian and is prevalent on Sardinia (which has the most based flag the world over, the Quattro Mori). He’s more Jimmy Durante in type . . .

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  167. I hope Peter Thiel hires this man or funds his lawsuit.

    Thiel is to the Koch Brothers as Trump is to Romney.

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  168. Thea says:
    @Clyde
    That firing was very fast. Did googoo ask the NSA to help out? Semi-joking.
    I am hoping and thinking that the now famous||infamous Dr. James Damore will land on his feet, be hired by someone righteous and unafraid.

    Just like James Watson, Tim Hunt, Nicholas Wade, & Jason Richwine?

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  169. Imagine a Google diversity doodle stomping on the face of autistic brogrammers forever

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    That's a good one.

    By the way, the original quote is "stamping" rather than "stomping."

    , @Chriscom
    No Google doodle today btw.
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  170. @James Richard
    These guys are in Canada and are totally legit. Very reliable and totally upfront about everything. I've used them for years and they have been in business since 1998.

    These guys are in Canada and are totally legit. Very reliable and totally upfront about everything. I’ve used them for years and they have been in business since 1998.

    Uh, I don’t even think the weak anti-domestic spying prohibitions apply if you’re basing your communications in Canada.

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    It's (arguably) not breaking American law if some foreign government has a deal with the NSA to turn over emails that gov is reading (and in exchange the NSA shares those of their citizens). Kind of like rendition applied to email.

    If there is anything that you don't want read it should never be sent in clear text. Even encryption is chancy because who knows if your phone or PC has some NSA zero day keylogger on it or whether your encryption software has some back door or vulnerability inserted by them. Not to mention that advances in quantum computing may make all current encryption methods breakable. The NSA hangs onto files forever so maybe in 10 or 20 years they will be able to read stuff that they can't now. At this point I wouldn't trust any electronic device or communication method.
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  171. midtown says:
    @Desiderius
    Would be an awful shame if a run on Google stock started tomorrow.

    Slow then fast.

    Any large company will be on gazillions of indexes, and the funds that track them will not sell for ideological reasons. However, that also makes for a lot of shareholders who could theoretically cause a lot of grief for the company.

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    The sell-off will not be for ideological reasons, at least not directly...
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  172. @boober bunion
    Imagine a Google diversity doodle stomping on the face of autistic brogrammers forever

    That’s a good one.

    By the way, the original quote is “stamping” rather than “stomping.”

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    > By the way, the original quote is “stamping” rather than “stomping.”

    well if it goes viral, I'll know it's mine.
    , @grapesoda
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRbAVq7tcT4
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  173. Cagey Beast says: • Website

    Julian Assange is taking our side in this.

    I almost feel sorry for the MSNBC watching normies who are now wondering “why is Putin getting Wikileaks to take the side of a sexist at Google?”. Well I almost feel sorry for them. I’m sure they will have it all explained to them by lunchtime tomorrow.

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    Julian Assange is taking our side in this.
     
    I have yet to see anyone with three brain cells to rub together who isn't.
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  174. @Taco
    he wasn't accused or acquitted of self defense. He was accused of murder. And represented by a left-leaning lawyer.

    Self defense is an affirmative defense to a charge of murder. It means the defendant met the twin burdens of proof and production to establish that his acts were justified in his defense to gain an acquittal.

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  175. @Steve Sailer
    That's a good one.

    By the way, the original quote is "stamping" rather than "stomping."

    > By the way, the original quote is “stamping” rather than “stomping.”

    well if it goes viral, I’ll know it’s mine.

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  176. Ed says:
    @Ben Kurtz
    Google's actions seem to be a clear violation of California Labor Code § 1101 et seq...

    Not that I expect any public authority in the People's Republic of California to do anything about it, or even give a private litigant the time of day.

    Still... any Google employees out there? Someone with an old-fashioned sense of fair play might want to lodge a formal complaint with the attorney general's whistleblower hotline: (800) 952-5225 • (916) 322-3360.

    https://benkurtzblog.wordpress.com/2017/08/08/googles-apparent-violation-of-cal-lab-code-%C2%A7-1101-et-seq/

    Damore says he’ll sue based on this law. He’s already filed a complaint with National Labor Board.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/07/business/google-women-engineer-fired-memo.html

    Mr. Damore, who worked on infrastructure for Google’s search product, said he believed that the company’s actions were illegal and that he would “likely be pursuing legal action.”

    “I have a legal right to express my concerns about the terms and conditions of my working environment and to bring up potentially illegal behavior, which is what my document does,” Mr. Damore said.

    Before being fired, Mr. Damore said, he had submitted a complaint to the National Labor Relations Board claiming that Google’s upper management was “misrepresenting and shaming me in order to silence my complaints.” He added that it was “illegal to retaliate” against an N.L.R.B. charge.

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  177. Ex-banker says:
    @Anonymous
    It's important to set examples.

    In another example of Obama Age Collapse, Amherst College has changed its mascot. Out with the Lord Jeffs and in with the ... mammoths.

    In January 2016, the college decided to stop referencing their longtime unofficial moniker, Lord Jeff, amid student protests over the eponymous 18th-century British general’s advocacy of using of smallpox as germ warfare against Native Americans.

    Another blow dealt to the racist patriarchy.

    Would be funny if someone started a anti-Indian mascot movement based on the savagery of the Indians.

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  178. Chriscom says:
    @boober bunion
    Imagine a Google diversity doodle stomping on the face of autistic brogrammers forever

    No Google doodle today btw.

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  179. Seamus says:

    Remind me again why the Hollywood Blacklist was a bad thing?

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    Because it was the same thing as Google firing Damore?
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  180. Shaq says:

    I’m reminded of an early Office episode in which Michael Scott is reprimanded by the home office for “performing ” a Chris Rock routine. The sensitivity trainer’s name is Mr. Brown.

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  181. Now that I hear of the NLRB action against Google, I understand why Google dedicated their main page to Delores del Rio. https://www.google.com/doodles/celebrating-dolores-del-rio

    Boy, think how the world has changed because of Delores del Rio, a woman AND a minority.

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  182. biz says:
    @Whiskey
    Why did Google hire this guy in the first place? He's a Phd in Life Sciences from Harvard according to reports. Presumably, he cost a lot of money, and last time I checked, Life Sciences is WAAAAAY away from Google's core business of search/ads, and mobile/android.

    To me this says Google is already seeing rapid erosion of their revenue base in search/ads, and mobile/android. Samsung has invested in Tizen, and there are several alternatives beyond THAT for carriers and/or manufacturers to fund that will easily run android apps which are all Java based: Sailfish OS, Ubuntu Touch (abandoned by Canonical but forked by the community), Firefox OS (same) and so on. All are Linux based open source-ish at least, with reasonable licensing structures and customization possibilities up the ying yang that Google no longer offers on stock android.

    So Google is trying to get into AI, self-driving cars, AR, biomedical (where the fired employee fits in) and the like. HOW exactly is giving in to the SJW Witch hunt going to allow them to compete in this area where they already face some rather nasty lawsuits alleging that White males in their drone program were discriminated against for their MILITARY BACKGROUND? Link here. [Business Insider, Safe for work]

    Google has no permanent advantage. People can dump Google Docs in a heartbeat, AND WILL if they are not on the SJW Witchburning brigade. Same with Google Calendar, Google Mail, etc. There are a zillion web services, all of which are likely as easy to use as the others. Heck Iphone users don't even bother with Google most of the time; they stick with Apple apps. And the Iphone still dominates in the US because its easier and just works: Apple does the software/hardware integration and won't let it be filled with non-removable crapware by the carriers.

    Their ad/search business is disappearing with phony click bots on swarms of botnets often accounting for 75% of some ad views. Didn't P&G abandon all internet ads over phony bot views?

    Remember the giants of yore: Kodak, SGI, Sun, DEC, Commodore, Amiga, etc? How mighty they were? Google needs to expend a lot of cash to operate those data centers and constantly mine that data; but they are one Snowden away from massive lawsuits and consumer abandonment. No one NEEDS to use Google Docs; you can always use LibreOffice or Apple Sheets or whatever they call it or even Microsoft Office online. Google's only advantage was smart White guys who they've chased away now.

    Sigh, all that speculation for nothing. Systems Biology is basically hardcore mathematical and algorithmic modeling. That’s exactly what google does in its core businesses.

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    Whiskey perfectly demonstrates the indistinguishibilty of parody and sincerity.
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  183. @sabril

    The Trump administration should stick a thumb in googoo’s cyclops eye by offering James Damore a high paying Federal job…Centers for Disease Control whatever…At least offer it then Damore can take it or leave it if he can do better.
     
    It would be nice if some conservative organization somewhere offered the guy a good job. The Left uses that strategy when one of their own steps so far out of line that he loses his job.

    In recent history, the only example that comes to mind of a leftist who lost his job due to his politics is Van Jones, whom the White House had to let go when it came out that he is a card-carrying Communist and a 9/11 Truther. However, I’m not sure the Obama administration completely cut him out, and anyway he got a high-profile on-air position at CNN.

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    Three more recent examples of leftists losing their jobs: the college instructor who tweeted "All I want for Christmas is white genocide" or something like that, and the one who tweeted about wanting to assassinate Trump. Both lost their teaching gigs. Then there was Melissa Click, an actual professor who encouraged violence against a student reporter during the U. Missouri collapse, who was let go for cause.

    Click landed with a much crappier temporary job somewhere else, but the other two are still on their asses as far as I know.

    , @James Richard
    During the previous Democratic presidential administration, Bill Clinton fired Jocelyn Elders as Surgeon General for correctly pointing out that adolescents have sex and that this fact might very well positively inform health policy decisions.

    Clinton also withdrew Lani Guinier's nomination to Assistant Attorney General for having written that there might be merit in exploring other methods of tallying votes for legislative seats in national and state assemblies other than our first past the post plurality races and that these other methods are used to no apparent ill effect by other functioning Western democracies.
    , @Art Deco
    Since Jones subscribed to notions which are just plain crazy, that's an exception which proves the rule. There was a member of Congress from Georgia many years ago who was an official of the John Birch Society. (He was an oldline Dixiecrat, not a Republican). That man died in 1983.
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  184. @Clyde
    The Incredible Lie Of Internet Advertising
    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3424969

    The incentives for AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, Google, Apple, Facebook, SNAP and similar, in other words, are exactly opposed to an advertiser's incentives. In fact as long as you tolerate the additional cost in both time and money to transmit all that spam to your screen they love it since it drives up the numbers they use to sell ads and, in the case of the transport firms, the direct revenue from you as a customer!

    An advertiser only gets a good deal in buying advertising if he or she earns more in profit than the ad costs to run. Not revenue folks, profit. Every incentive the carriers, OS sellers and social media firms have is directly dilutive if not actively opposed to the interests of said advertisers!

    Eventually advertisers are going to figure this out. P&G already has to some small extent; they cut $100 million off their digital ad spend last quarter and saw no decrease in revenue growth. While $100 million isn't a large percentage of the total advertising budget for a company like P&G it underlines the point; that money was literally a cash bonfire handed to the people running the ads as it bought them exactly zero increase in business.

    If and when the stock market figures this out Facebook is a literal ghost.

    If and when the stock market figures this out Facebook is a literal ghost.

    Unfortunately, even if Zuck loses a few tens of billions, he’ll still have lots. In 20 years I want to read about him living in a trailer out in the desert, not on his giant walled estate in Hawaii.

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    "In 20 years I want to read about him living in a trailer out in the desert, not on his giant walled estate in Hawaii."

    Months behind in his alimony payments to Priscilla, and with only one shirt to his name. Well, the latter won't be a change.
    , @Forbes
    In 1999, a friend asked me how far Amazon had to drop for Jeff Bezos to feel some pain. I don't now remember the nose-bleed valuation at the time--but Bezos then owned 117 million shares. So I asked my friend, "at one dollar per share, is $117 million painful?"

    These sorts of dramatic speculations are a form of mental masturbation...
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  185. Jack D says:
    @Alec Leamas

    These guys are in Canada and are totally legit. Very reliable and totally upfront about everything. I’ve used them for years and they have been in business since 1998.
     
    Uh, I don't even think the weak anti-domestic spying prohibitions apply if you're basing your communications in Canada.

    It’s (arguably) not breaking American law if some foreign government has a deal with the NSA to turn over emails that gov is reading (and in exchange the NSA shares those of their citizens). Kind of like rendition applied to email.

    If there is anything that you don’t want read it should never be sent in clear text. Even encryption is chancy because who knows if your phone or PC has some NSA zero day keylogger on it or whether your encryption software has some back door or vulnerability inserted by them. Not to mention that advances in quantum computing may make all current encryption methods breakable. The NSA hangs onto files forever so maybe in 10 or 20 years they will be able to read stuff that they can’t now. At this point I wouldn’t trust any electronic device or communication method.

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  186. biz says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    In recent history, the only example that comes to mind of a leftist who lost his job due to his politics is Van Jones, whom the White House had to let go when it came out that he is a card-carrying Communist and a 9/11 Truther. However, I'm not sure the Obama administration completely cut him out, and anyway he got a high-profile on-air position at CNN.

    Three more recent examples of leftists losing their jobs: the college instructor who tweeted “All I want for Christmas is white genocide” or something like that, and the one who tweeted about wanting to assassinate Trump. Both lost their teaching gigs. Then there was Melissa Click, an actual professor who encouraged violence against a student reporter during the U. Missouri collapse, who was let go for cause.

    Click landed with a much crappier temporary job somewhere else, but the other two are still on their asses as far as I know.

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    Thanks for the additional examples. Does Kathy Griffin count too?

    I suppose once someone actually proposes killing people it gets hard to support their self expression.
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  187. @biz
    Three more recent examples of leftists losing their jobs: the college instructor who tweeted "All I want for Christmas is white genocide" or something like that, and the one who tweeted about wanting to assassinate Trump. Both lost their teaching gigs. Then there was Melissa Click, an actual professor who encouraged violence against a student reporter during the U. Missouri collapse, who was let go for cause.

    Click landed with a much crappier temporary job somewhere else, but the other two are still on their asses as far as I know.

    Thanks for the additional examples. Does Kathy Griffin count too?

    I suppose once someone actually proposes killing people it gets hard to support their self expression.

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    Yes Kathy G.

    Also, going back a few years, Dan Rather, for doing what journalists and bloggers of all political persuasions do now every day.
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  188. Bill says:
    @Johann Ricke
    Off topic but amusing newsflash re the DOJ looking at Asian complaints about Harvard admissions: Harvard fight could redirect 40 years of affirmative action. Will the coalition of the fringes crack wide-open if racial quotas are dismantled? Pipe dream at this stage, but it's the first time - that I know of - that an anti-quota complaint like this has had a supportive AG (and perhaps president) helping it along.

    Harvard losing this would not end up redounding to white people’s interest. The number of white gentiles at Harvard would go from surprisingly few to shockingly few.

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    You're assuming it's in "white people’s interest" for these liberal white dickheads to keep getting into Harvard. I'm not sure it is. Let them suffer the consequences of their ideology, just like the rest of us.
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  189. Bill says:
    @JimB
    I can't help but wonder about Dr Damore's motivation for writing this memo. Did he think most Google employees were persuadable? Did he think he could remain anonymous after dropping this bombshell? He works for a massive global corporation whose strength lies in knowing and selling everybody's secrets. Even though the salaries aren't so great for most Google programmers ($200K just doesn't cut it if you live in the company town), the Googleplex hangs onto its employees by giving them an abundance of perks -- luxury meals, gourmet ice cream, banjo lessons, massages, movies, celebrity lectures -- like casinos, they do everything they can to keep you from leaving the premises. Nonetheless, the work culture is very frustrating with most jobs filled by people who are vastly overqualified for their duties and who have little hope of advancement. Perhaps Dr Damore wrote this memo as his letter of resignation. Perhaps he was determined to make the executive suite notice his departure.

    That sounds plausible. Sort of like going postal for geeks.

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  190. Bill says:
    @Clyde
    The Trump administration should stick a thumb in googoo's cyclops eye by offering James Damore a high paying Federal job...Centers for Disease Control whatever...At least offer it then Damore can take it or leave it if he can do better.

    Centers for Disease Control?

    Imagine an administration actually interested in this issue in a good way. They would put him in charge of the DOJ Civil Rights Division or the EEOC.

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  191. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Judah Benjamin Hur
    If conservatives (or just honest people) won't fight back, this will continue. I'm hoping the Trump Administration goes to work on this right away. We all have to do our part in some meaningful way (any suggestions?).

    Second, we have to figure out how a guy like James Damore, a true hero, can benefit from this. We can't allow his career to be ruined.

    Nothing we can do. They have more money because ultimately, their shibboleths work better. So we are just going to take it up the various orifices until we learn to like it.

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  192. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Hypothecide

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  193. Bill says:
    @James B. Shearer
    57

    Now these employees have been served notice that if they ever speak their true beliefs, they too will be fired.

    Sounds like they need a union. And union organizing has some legal protections.

    Hear! Hear!

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  194. @Johnny Smoggins
    "This is too much of a giant easy target. SNL and light night comedy should have some easy laughs mocking Google on this one."

    I'm not familiar enough with your posting history to tell if you're being facetious or not.

    “This is too much of a giant easy target. SNL and light night comedy should have some easy laughs mocking Google on this one.”

    I’m not familiar enough with your posting history to tell if you’re being facetious or not.

    Being serious. All the editors at National Review are mocking Google for this.

    SNL overall leans hard left, and the writers lean left, but they have at least one really good right wing writer who you can see occasionally does a very anti-PC sketch. Sailer has linked several good ones.

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    All the editors at National Review are mocking Google for this.
     
    Which is pretty hypocritical of them, given their own history.

    At least it suggests that the wind is blowing in a good direction.
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  195. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    This story got me thinking about what Brendan Eich is doing (I should have thought about this earlier).

    He's started a new company called Brave.

    "Brave is on a mission to fix the web by giving users a safer, faster and better browsing experience – while growing support for content creators through a new attention-based ecosystem of rewards.
    Much more than a browser, Brave is a new way of thinking about how the web works.
    Brave is open source, and built by a team of privacy focused, performance oriented pioneers of the web, founded by the inventor of Javascript and co-founder of Mozilla.
    Join us. It’s time to fix the web together."

    https://brave.com/about/

    I'm going to download it.

    Thanks for the link. I’m going to check it out.

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  196. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Damore was fired not because he’s wrong but because he spilled company secrets, i.e. businesses do notice and exploit group differences.

    It’s like members of the mafia are not supposed to speak the truth about how things really work.
    Break Omerta, and you are whacked.

    Top brass at Gaggle know he’s correct. The thing is they are supposed to keep it to themselves. If you work for Michael Corleone or Hyman Roth, you don’t write a thesis or manifesto on how organized crime operates. You pretend it’s all honorable business. Keep cognition secret. Just be a cog. Be a good mind-replicant.

    Damore violated Omerta or Omertza. Or Commerta.

    “Commerce is our goal here…”

    Btw, what happened to NO DISCRIMINATION BASED ON CREED?

    Can Gaggle fire women for espousing feminist views or blacks for supporting BLM Or Arab-Americans for espousing BDS?

    When people are fired for CREED and CONSCIENCE, where is civil rights?

    PC doesn’t want to have our own perceptions and memories.

    It seeks to manipulate and monopolize media and platform to implant ‘memories’ into us.

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  197. ganderson says:
    @Anonymous
    It's important to set examples.

    In another example of Obama Age Collapse, Amherst College has changed its mascot. Out with the Lord Jeffs and in with the ... mammoths.

    In January 2016, the college decided to stop referencing their longtime unofficial moniker, Lord Jeff, amid student protests over the eponymous 18th-century British general’s advocacy of using of smallpox as germ warfare against Native Americans.

    Another blow dealt to the racist patriarchy.

    Old news. I’d bet not one in 10 people on the Amherst campus ( I have some knowledge, as I live around the corner) could tell you anything about Jeffrey Amherst other than “diseased blankets”. And the new name is “Mammoths!” Problematic for two reasons, A. It’s a stupid name, and B There is already an elephant themed nickname in the NESCAC; the Tufts Jumbos.

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  198. Bill says:
    @Kaz
    When you pretty much state something like 'women are in aggregate inferior to men at this because biological reason X' it's really hard to not fire someone for it..

    Especially when most of your workers are 'true believers'.

    I can't blame Google for this action, any company would have to make this move, you can't just openly state these things in the current landscape. They would get raked over the coals over this considering the 'hotbed of sexism' Silicon Valley is..

    Google won't fire you for holding rightist positions, I doubt he would get fired if he simply shared the view 'I believe in enforcing already existing immigration law'.

    I'm not sure how openly people get into politics like this at Google, but in my experience working for the past 4 years since I got out of college in the corporate landscape, people have been incredibly non-political on both sides, smart people who are collaborating know better than to stoke that shit at work.

    Google won’t fire you for holding rightist positions

    What? Like, if I said women should not be allowed to vote? Or if I said women should not be allowed to own property or enter into contracts? If I said women should spend their lives under the supervision of a man, either their father, their husband, or a brother? If I said all non-Catholic sects should be banned? If I said the Catholic Faith should be taught in public schools as the truth? That Western Culture (actual Western Culture) is superior? Blacks are stupid and impulsive? Orientals are devious and cruel?

    Offhand, I can’t think of any actually rightist position you won’t risk being fired for speaking aloud. Looking at Yarvin’s experiences, it seems that even looking fondly back at the not-quite-so-insane hyper-liberalism of the Victorian Age is entirely outre.

    You might not get fired for speaking the current version of the always-moving-leftward right-liberalism of the day, but even that is risky. You have to make sure you’re always just a little on the light side of that terminator, as the Earth rotates ever leftward.

    All you are saying, really, is that you won’t get fired for saying the “right”-most things you won’t get fired for saying.

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  199. JerryC says:
    @Bill
    Harvard losing this would not end up redounding to white people's interest. The number of white gentiles at Harvard would go from surprisingly few to shockingly few.

    You’re assuming it’s in “white people’s interest” for these liberal white dickheads to keep getting into Harvard. I’m not sure it is. Let them suffer the consequences of their ideology, just like the rest of us.

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    It's a fair point. However, whether we like it or not, Harvard is a principal elite-making institution in the US. Shutting whites out of it is not going to be good for whites because it will decrease white representation among US elites. Alien elites are bad for you (unless you are a Bantu, of course).
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  200. Mr. Anon says:
    @Nigerian Nationalist
    I see a whole lot of talk, very little action, even fewer talk of mobilising for action.

    Imagine being 90 and coming to the Stevoggle AI blog, just to complain...about everything!

    You say Science is on your side prove it, disprove the wrong tweets, rebut the wrong articles, let your voices be heard.

    Back when "Whites" weren't Beta males, one said that the point "was to change the world".

    Scratch that, looks like the racist ones were always whiny Betas hiding underneath the tail-coats of greater men, I mean just look at the amount of grown men here, screaming for Thiel to ride to the rescue, just Pathetic.

    Damore strikes me as truly intelligent, he's bitten the dust, more will follow.

    In 2100, Stevoggle will cite posts from him, just as the current version does from Enoch Powell. BTW, another truly exceptional man who your forebears in whiny Betarism, allowed to be mauled by his lessers.

    Any moment now, some paragon of the vaunted white IQ will quip about the Chinese riding in to save the day.

    Sad!

    I guess you said something there. I don’t know. I don’t read nigerian spam.

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    I guess you said something there. I don’t know. I don’t read nigerian spam.
     
    It was a perfectly valid point, except that he's apparently Nigerian.
    , @Moshe
    Wow, you're a dick.

    Your comment is a perfect example of racism.

    He's well spoken, intelligent and brings a small element of diversity (his views, not color) to this forum.

    Maybe you aren't familiar with his other comments over the past months in which case your generalizing assumption would be acceptable.

    Considering however how he is a member in good standing here I think that an insult at his color/nationality is what racism is about.

    Talented tenth and all.
    , @Nigerian Nationalist
    So said the Trojans to Cassandra.
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  201. Bill says:
    @Greg Birch
    We need a simple law that makes it clearly and absolutely illegal for a corporation to fire an employee for a belief, thought, political opinion or similar.

    One big hammer thrown down from the top puts an end to it.

    No no no.

    Right now, today, it is “illegal” to use hiring quotas to boost the number of blacks. On the other hand, right now, today, it is perfectly routine to use “statistical evidence” in race discrimination suits. To oversimplify only a little, statistical evidence says that there is discrimination against blacks if:

    proportion black in relevant population – proportion black at company > threshold

    where threshold is a number directly proportional to the square root of the number of employees in the relevant category at the company. Obviously, this creates a de facto quota requirement.

    So, quotas are both forbidden and mandatory. Since the only acceptable evidence of quotas (in practice) is a written document saying “there shall be quotas,” quotas are mandatory in practice, and not writing down that you have quotas is also mandatory in practice.

    This happens constantly in the law.

    What’s required is not a new law, regulation, whatever. What’s required is that people who actually want to change the system be in power. The implementation details are just that: details.

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  202. mobi says:
    @Judah Benjamin Hur
    If conservatives (or just honest people) won't fight back, this will continue. I'm hoping the Trump Administration goes to work on this right away. We all have to do our part in some meaningful way (any suggestions?).

    Second, we have to figure out how a guy like James Damore, a true hero, can benefit from this. We can't allow his career to be ruined.

    We all have to do our part in some meaningful way (any suggestions?).

    Improve your hacking skills? Start with easier targets, then work up?

    Hypothetically speaking, for the sake of argument.

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  203. @Taco
    he wasn't accused or acquitted of self defense. He was accused of murder. And represented by a left-leaning lawyer.

    I know what he was accused of but the only murders committed were by U.S Marshal Larry Cooper who shot unarmed 14-year old Sammy Weaver in the back and by FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi who killed Vicki Weaver while she was holding her infant son in her arms.

    That’s why the federal government paid Randy Weaver $3.1 million to settle his wrongful death suits for these crimes.

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    That and the incineration of the Branch Davidians were shameful days in the USA. Innocent people were murdered by their own government and none, repeat none, of those responsible suffered any consequences.
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  204. @midtown
    Any large company will be on gazillions of indexes, and the funds that track them will not sell for ideological reasons. However, that also makes for a lot of shareholders who could theoretically cause a lot of grief for the company.

    The sell-off will not be for ideological reasons, at least not directly…

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  205. @Cagey Beast
    Julian Assange is taking our side in this.

    I almost feel sorry for the MSNBC watching normies who are now wondering "why is Putin getting Wikileaks to take the side of a sexist at Google?". Well I almost feel sorry for them. I'm sure they will have it all explained to them by lunchtime tomorrow.

    https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/894834730461483008

    Julian Assange is taking our side in this.

    I have yet to see anyone with three brain cells to rub together who isn’t.

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    I have yet to see anyone with three brain cells to rub together who isn’t.

    I wish that were true but there seems to be no shortage of high functioning White men and women who have embraced the progressive narrative so completely that they really do think the Google memo is a collection dangerous lies told out of malice or ignorance. Have a look at the comments on Twitter and elsewhere. Collectively, we nice, middle-class White people are very far gone. It seems to be women under sixty who are the worst, followed by earnest White men of the same age. We are a broken people or at least deeply damaged and confused. We need to recognize that if we hope to move forward past the next few generations.

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  206. @Massimo Heitor

    “This is too much of a giant easy target. SNL and light night comedy should have some easy laughs mocking Google on this one.”

    I’m not familiar enough with your posting history to tell if you’re being facetious or not.
     
    Being serious. All the editors at National Review are mocking Google for this.

    SNL overall leans hard left, and the writers lean left, but they have at least one really good right wing writer who you can see occasionally does a very anti-PC sketch. Sailer has linked several good ones.

    All the editors at National Review are mocking Google for this.

    Which is pretty hypocritical of them, given their own history.

    At least it suggests that the wind is blowing in a good direction.

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    Which is pretty hypocritical of them, given their own history.

    Mr. Derbyshire in 2006 published in the New English Review a silly and vitriolic attack on a book written by one of the NR staff editors. Richard Lowry had had what amounted to a letter of resignation sitting on his desk for six years.

    Gross insults directed at the magazine's SoCon readership were not enough to get Derbyshire cut from the masthead. Which should tell you how much that constituency matters to NR's editor. Also, the magazine severed its relationship with Mark Steyn over the objections of its publisher but in deference to it's managing editor, a twee fool despised by the magazine's attentive readership. (Look at their comboxes whenever Mr. Steorts publishes a piece in the magazine).

    They're not 'hypocritical'. Richard Lowry is a Manhattan resident with the attitudes of a generic Manhattan resident.
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  207. @Jack D
    What are the odds that the fat one with blue hair voted for Trump? 1 in 1,000,000? 1,000,000,000? I am totally sure she gives an equally fair hearing to leftist and rightist videos and judges them by the same objective standards.

    I suppose it is probably a statistically valid bet, but I have never quite understood why dyed hair or other unconventional appearances are always assumed to represent the lunatic fringe. I myself have often dyed my hair blue, and I still do from time to time. I also wear an earring. Elvis – that evil sexpot and greaser with his seductive hips – loved singing gospel more than rock ‘n’ roll. Hell, Gene Simmons is a pretty conservative dude, as are Kid Rock and 50 Cent (both are covered in tattoos). Hell, Jonathan Davis was interviewed not too long ago by Alex Jones, of all people, and he (Davis…well, Jones too, but then Jones would of course!) was denouncing Obama.

    Is the idea supposed to only apply to coloured hair and not other things? I confess I cannot think of famous examples of people with zany hair colours who support civilisation, but then, I cannot think of many famous people with zany hair colours…. The best candidates I can think of are Dee Snyder and Dave Mustaine, but neither uses dye (Snyder may use bleach…).

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  208. @Jack D
    Google has enough money to hire armies of lawyers from the top law firms in the country and to fight this case all the way to the Supreme Court. Damore - not so much. Unless Damore can find some right wing sugar daddy to fund his case, he has zero chance of taking on Google in court. They will smother any suit he files in an incredible blizzard of paperwork and discovery and appeals and briefs, etc.

    You do not understand anything about law if you think things work in this way. By your lights no litigant could ever possibly prevail against any large corporation or the government, yet it happens every day.

    Google, Inc. have shit the bed, for the reasons involving protections to workers communicatig about working conditions already cited. I nyself have often (half?) jokingly suggested working to unionise employees just for spite (as the effort would doubtless prove futile) to the Man, and pointed out to my friends that there’s fuck all the Man could do about it because of those protections, though the Man would be seething with impotent rage at me.

    Google, Inc. may have an army of lawyers, but I don’t know that the managers are listening to them, or whether they are that bright in the first instance. The upcoming events should be very interesting. (The fired employee did not accept a pay-off, and he has already explicitly stated he is considering legal action; he is a clever, brave man and I wish him Godspeed.)

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  209. mobi says:
    @Mr. Anon
    I guess you said something there. I don't know. I don't read nigerian spam.

    I guess you said something there. I don’t know. I don’t read nigerian spam.

    It was a perfectly valid point, except that he’s apparently Nigerian.

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  210. Seamus says:
    @JeremiahJohnbalaya
    If you heard a friend saying “The day my boss figures out I’m pro-choice, I’ll get canned,” you’d tell him to find another job, because that’s a shitty way for an employer to treat its employees.

    No, I would tell them they are projecting. I've literally never seen or even heard of a conservative/republican/religious person hold someone else's liberal politics against them in a work setting. Never in my own works experience in environments both small and large, never in academia (wherein either i or immediately family members have spent much or all of our lives watching liberals ostracizing others for their politics (***)), never heard it from a friend or some one at a bar, on a flight or on the bus. Hell, i've never read about it happening.

    LIBERALS DO IT ALL THE TIME.

    (*** In academia they just do it during either the hiring or tenuring process)

    I’ve literally never seen or even heard of a conservative/republican/religious person hold someone else’s liberal politics against them in a work setting.

    Yes, but it’s going to start happening if firings like this become commonplace. Not the world I want to live in, but if the progs are going to target ordinary employees for crimethink like this, conservatives aren’t going to practice unilateral disarmament in the culture war.

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  211. @Seamus
    Remind me again why the Hollywood Blacklist was a bad thing?

    Because it was the same thing as Google firing Damore?

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  212. BB753 says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    If and when the stock market figures this out Facebook is a literal ghost.

    Unfortunately, even if Zuck loses a few tens of billions, he'll still have lots. In 20 years I want to read about him living in a trailer out in the desert, not on his giant walled estate in Hawaii.

    “In 20 years I want to read about him living in a trailer out in the desert, not on his giant walled estate in Hawaii.”

    Months behind in his alimony payments to Priscilla, and with only one shirt to his name. Well, the latter won’t be a change.

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  213. biz says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    Thanks for the additional examples. Does Kathy Griffin count too?

    I suppose once someone actually proposes killing people it gets hard to support their self expression.

    Yes Kathy G.

    Also, going back a few years, Dan Rather, for doing what journalists and bloggers of all political persuasions do now every day.

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  214. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @AndrewR
    Anyone surprised he was fired simply hasn't been paying attention. This is a company that shamelessly paid homage in a google doodle to Yuri Kochiyama.

    One illuminating quote from her:

    "I consider Osama bin Laden as one of the people that I admire. To me, he is in the category of Malcolm X, Che Guevara, Patrice Lumumba, Fidel Castro ... I thank Islam for bin Laden. America's greed, aggressiveness, and self-righteous arrogance must be stopped. War and weaponry must be abolished."

    I'm hardly a fan of US foreign policy but this makes clear that Google is the enemy. There should be no question about this.

    Even if we can debate and agree that Bin Laden is evil for his murder of innocents, it is clear that the white race has killed millions more, just to quench its unquenchable Greed and Psychopathy.

    So who is more evil? Heck, the two are simply leagues apart.

    “but this makes clear that Google is the enemy”
    No, the real enemy of mankind is the darkness of the white supremacist soul, which fights true monotheism, and works tirelessly to burden every corner of the world, with its Pagan Polytheism.

    “There should be no question about this.”
    No question? Apologists of sheer evil (partial or full), like you (and some others here), don’t stand a chance at seeing the light, even if you fancy yourself as something you are not (“I’m hardly a fan,” my ass).

    Yuri Kochiyama, in contrast, sounds like a woman who has seen a glimmer.

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  215. @Harry Baldwin
    In recent history, the only example that comes to mind of a leftist who lost his job due to his politics is Van Jones, whom the White House had to let go when it came out that he is a card-carrying Communist and a 9/11 Truther. However, I'm not sure the Obama administration completely cut him out, and anyway he got a high-profile on-air position at CNN.

    During the previous Democratic presidential administration, Bill Clinton fired Jocelyn Elders as Surgeon General for correctly pointing out that adolescents have sex and that this fact might very well positively inform health policy decisions.

    Clinton also withdrew Lani Guinier’s nomination to Assistant Attorney General for having written that there might be merit in exploring other methods of tallying votes for legislative seats in national and state assemblies other than our first past the post plurality races and that these other methods are used to no apparent ill effect by other functioning Western democracies.

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    Bill Clinton fired Jocelyn Elders as Surgeon General for correctly pointing out that adolescents have sex and that this fact might very well positively inform health policy decisions.

    No, he fired her for such gems as 'get over our love affair with the fetus" and suggesting that masturbation should be taught in schools. The Surgeon-General has administrative responsibilities re the Commissioned Corps of the Public Health Service, but it's also a PR position. The woman was an embarrassment.
    , @Art Deco
    Re Lani Guinier:

    My recollection is that she offered a bevy of contrivances designed to increase the number of black office holders. She never suggested anything straightforward like a practice manual for drawing electoral constituencies or making use of ordinal balloting.

    (Regarding substantive benefits, black-office-holders qua black-office-holders are beneficial to the black-rank-and-file when the incumbent population of white office holders is vicious and abusive. Cecil Price went to prison nearly 50 years ago).

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  216. Amore says:

    Life in USA is becoming like life in old USSR or DDR. Your neighbor or colleague is spying on you because he can. Self preservation takes over and community dissolves bonds unless very deep.

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    Snitch culture has become endemic. There is an anonymous hotline for everything and people are encouraged to believe they are heroic/brave/meritorious for being an informant on their peers.
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  217. @James Richard
    I know what he was accused of but the only murders committed were by U.S Marshal Larry Cooper who shot unarmed 14-year old Sammy Weaver in the back and by FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi who killed Vicki Weaver while she was holding her infant son in her arms.

    That's why the federal government paid Randy Weaver $3.1 million to settle his wrongful death suits for these crimes.

    That and the incineration of the Branch Davidians were shameful days in the USA. Innocent people were murdered by their own government and none, repeat none, of those responsible suffered any consequences.

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  218. Pessimist says:

    By far the worst of this firing is that it may have been significantly encouraged by the Trump Administration. Sessions should have dropped all the clearly groundless civil rights suits the day after he took office and fired their architects.

    Would social pressure alone push companies like to lean left on these issues? Probably. But they did tie the progressive line anywhere near this much till the Obama administration made it clear that the justice department would destroy companies that did not actively support the democratic agenda. Google actually seemed pretty committed to truly free speech (and merit based hiring) well into the Bush administration.

    Trump and Sessions should have stopped pressuring companies to discriminate against white and Asian men on day one and should now be reversing the tide by announcing a probe of this dismissal. But the haven’t. They’re continuing the suits that encourage this behavior.

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    The smiley face mask over the death's head that is Leftism is being shattered and you're crying about how awful it is?
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  219. scrivener3 says: • Website
    @Ivy
    One truism for clients is that the attorney may deal with you once but he has to deal with opposing counsel a lot over the years, and might end up being co-counsel with them. Such considerations can influence their motivation, notwithstanding their oath. I've had to fire attorneys who didn't pay adequate attention.

    It is equally true that opposing counsel has to deal with your lawyer a lot over the years. I think you are expressing unfounded paranoia. I mean, each lawyer is rolling over to get along with the opposing counsel?

    Having a terrible loss record is not the way to get big clients.

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    It is equally true that opposing counsel has to deal with your lawyer a lot over the years. I think you are expressing unfounded paranoia. I mean, each lawyer is rolling over to get along with the opposing counsel?
     
    Yeah, the rolling over bit is nonsense.

    What you get with lawyers who know and trust one another is more bilateral reasonable conduct, which means fewer guerrilla litigation tactics and a more sober take on the strengths and weaknesses of each party's case. This is a good way to save money as a party litigant.
    , @Ivy
    Who said anything about each lawyer rolling over? The results include not just cases won or lost but the little details that may water down what could be called a win.

    As a fiduciary, I probably took a harder line, but I suppose that one man's diligence could be another's paranoia. For example, I wasn't willing to let a national firm's partner off the hook when he was willing to just chalk gaffes up to "Lesson learned about xyz counsel". We used engagement management for good reasons as relationships need to be looked at periodically and systematically.
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  220. Jeff77450 says:

    As a result of James Damore being fired I have deleted all my Google apps and I encourage anyone and everyone to do the same. From now on I will be using any search-engine other than Google, although DuckDuckGo has been recommended to me by multiple sources. #boycottgoogle

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    Duckduckgo is OK if you're in the States, less good if you're not. Google works out your approx location and gives you results (where relevant) for your location.

    Example, I enter "ebay quad core processor" in DDG, I'm taken to US ebay, Google gives me UK.

    (Google is nowhere near as good a search engine as it was eight or ten years ago, though. It tends to give you what it thinks you meant to ask for rather than what you actually requested. It's losing its USP. I use Startpage/Ixquick as my default - https://www.startpage.com/ )
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  221. grapesoda says:
    @Steve Sailer
    That's a good one.

    By the way, the original quote is "stamping" rather than "stomping."

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  222. Olorin says:
    @Anonymous
    It's quite unlikely that he has a PhD. He only authored two papers in his life. One unremarkable and one an OK review. No half-decent graduate program would let someone with such output to defend successfully.

    That’s two more papers than Neil de Grasse Tyson–Astrophysicist Laureate of the US–ever authored.

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    Nothing shows up on GoogleScholar. I'm wondering if INSPEC or Astronomy and Astrophysics Abstracts might show something. He was supposedly a post-doctoral researcher for several years. There should have been several papers emerging from that (my guess would be collaborative work). He's spent his entire career since as a planetarium director - i.e. in the teaching sector - so you would not expect many papers.
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  223. @scrivener3
    It is equally true that opposing counsel has to deal with your lawyer a lot over the years. I think you are expressing unfounded paranoia. I mean, each lawyer is rolling over to get along with the opposing counsel?

    Having a terrible loss record is not the way to get big clients.

    It is equally true that opposing counsel has to deal with your lawyer a lot over the years. I think you are expressing unfounded paranoia. I mean, each lawyer is rolling over to get along with the opposing counsel?

    Yeah, the rolling over bit is nonsense.

    What you get with lawyers who know and trust one another is more bilateral reasonable conduct, which means fewer guerrilla litigation tactics and a more sober take on the strengths and weaknesses of each party’s case. This is a good way to save money as a party litigant.

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  224. Sam Shama says:

    Obviously, he is ignorant about what Science says about males and females and should try reading a book for once in his life. LOL!!

    Hi Steve, I comment infrequently on your blog, chiefly on account of my near complete agreement with you on most matters.

    On this one, far more caution is warranted. First, Google and all other search engines are attempting to solve globe-wide, large enterprise level problems. At those levels, Engineering is almost all about collaboration and managing code-flow from widely dispersed sub-divisions. It starts resembling a social organism, something which women are far better at than men.

    How could Google possibly ignore Damore’s missive, one which in a fell swoop renders the important minority (20% women) of its workforce immediately superfluous, thus destroying any culture of social collaboration?

    This is not to say men aren’t better coders and mathematicians. They are; but not more effective at managing social systems, I’m afraid.

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    It starts resembling a social organism, something which women are far better at than men.

    How long has it been since you were employed in an office demographically dominated by women?
    , @candid_observer
    I've seen this crazy argument before.

    Look, if you are responsible as a computer "architect" to integrate a large system of code, you need a deeper, not shallower, understanding of how the code works; you require more, not less, ability at abstraction.

    Acting as though that is fundamentally a purely social process is just crackpot.

    It sounds like Jared Diamond's argument that some primitive actually is smarter than any white guy because he knows how to determine directions, or some such thing.

    , @reiner Tor
    "Managing social systems" is a very abstract expression. Better to say just "cooperation" or "team work". And, yes, you guessed it, men do beat women at cooperation and team work.

    I once worked in an office full of autistic (male) software developers. There were two people who hated each other so much that they would never talk to each other: you guessed it, the two only women in that office. (Secretary and accountant.) The fifteen or twenty guys had no such problems.
    , @mobi

    How could Google possibly ignore Damore’s missive, one which in a fell swoop renders the important minority (20% women) of its workforce immediately superfluous, thus destroying any culture of social collaboration?
     
    No, because he wasn't referring to the females there - he was referring to the females not there.

    And if more of the latter 'should' be there, is this not equivalent to telling a large number of males at Google that they are unqualified to be there in the first place?

    What's the difference? (except objective demonstrations of competence)

    If females are indeed better at this as you suggest, wouldn't the obvious solution (and ultimate revenge for them) be an all-female Google competitor of their own, one that renders the males obsolete and unemployed?

    (Of course, I know the answer to this - but do you?)
    , @guest
    Women are better at managing "social organisms" and cultures of collaboration? Pfft! They're not even better at managing families.

    What happened back when women weren't in social enterprises like business, politics, heck, cooperative efforts going all the way back to war parties and hunting bands? Did those all just collapse for lack of women? Did we never progress into civilization without the guiding hand of Woman? Am I living in the Stone Age without having noticed?
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  225. Cagey Beast says: • Website
    @Desiderius

    Julian Assange is taking our side in this.
     
    I have yet to see anyone with three brain cells to rub together who isn't.

    I have yet to see anyone with three brain cells to rub together who isn’t.

    I wish that were true but there seems to be no shortage of high functioning White men and women who have embraced the progressive narrative so completely that they really do think the Google memo is a collection dangerous lies told out of malice or ignorance. Have a look at the comments on Twitter and elsewhere. Collectively, we nice, middle-class White people are very far gone. It seems to be women under sixty who are the worst, followed by earnest White men of the same age. We are a broken people or at least deeply damaged and confused. We need to recognize that if we hope to move forward past the next few generations.

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    The actual comments on Twitter (and in the news, for instance) though seem determined to avoid any evidence of said high-functioning. I wonder if the utter vapidity is some sort of strange call for help or surrender.
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  226. Jack D says:
    @Wilkey
    "Google would also find some excuse to introduce during discovery Damore’s 1. entire Google search history, 2. entire Chrome & Android browser history"

    1. Publicly releasing the private data of users - even employees - isn't going to endear Google to its users, to Congress that already have plenty of reasons to start regulating tech companies, and will only encourage more users to find ways to anonymize their browsing.

    2. Publicly embarrassing an ex-employee isn't going to endear them to current or future employees.

    Publicly embarrassing an ex-employee isn’t going to endear them to current or future employees.

    Wrong, wrong, wrong. It WILL endear them. The ex-employee is a BAD PERSON who deserved to be expelled and embarrassed if not worse for his shameful supremacist beliefs. They themselves are GOODTHINKERS who have nothing to fear.

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  227. @Pessimist
    By far the worst of this firing is that it may have been significantly encouraged by the Trump Administration. Sessions should have dropped all the clearly groundless civil rights suits the day after he took office and fired their architects.

    Would social pressure alone push companies like to lean left on these issues? Probably. But they did tie the progressive line anywhere near this much till the Obama administration made it clear that the justice department would destroy companies that did not actively support the democratic agenda. Google actually seemed pretty committed to truly free speech (and merit based hiring) well into the Bush administration.

    Trump and Sessions should have stopped pressuring companies to discriminate against white and Asian men on day one and should now be reversing the tide by announcing a probe of this dismissal. But the haven't. They're continuing the suits that encourage this behavior.

    The smiley face mask over the death’s head that is Leftism is being shattered and you’re crying about how awful it is?

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  228. Art Deco says:
    @Desiderius

    All the editors at National Review are mocking Google for this.
     
    Which is pretty hypocritical of them, given their own history.

    At least it suggests that the wind is blowing in a good direction.

    Which is pretty hypocritical of them, given their own history.

    Mr. Derbyshire in 2006 published in the New English Review a silly and vitriolic attack on a book written by one of the NR staff editors. Richard Lowry had had what amounted to a letter of resignation sitting on his desk for six years.

    Gross insults directed at the magazine’s SoCon readership were not enough to get Derbyshire cut from the masthead. Which should tell you how much that constituency matters to NR’s editor. Also, the magazine severed its relationship with Mark Steyn over the objections of its publisher but in deference to it’s managing editor, a twee fool despised by the magazine’s attentive readership. (Look at their comboxes whenever Mr. Steorts publishes a piece in the magazine).

    They’re not ‘hypocritical’. Richard Lowry is a Manhattan resident with the attitudes of a generic Manhattan resident.

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    "Whether it is a cult or not, RTL is made as presentable as possible in Party of Death, with writing that is engaging and lucid. Will Ponnuru's book make any converts to the RTL whatever-it-is? That depends on how much exposure it gets outside RTL circles. Just to be on the safe side, the mainstream media are studiously ignoring the book — a sad reflection on the current state of public debate, and of respect for rhetorical virtuosity. RTL-ers are welcoming Party of Death very joyfully, though, and they are right to do so, as it is an exceptionally fine piece of polemical writing in support of their … cause."4

    This is a silly and vitriolic review? Get bent Art.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Gross insults directed at the magazine’s SoCon readership were not enough to get Derbyshire cut from the masthead.
     
    No, but saying something true (about the reality of black crime) was.
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  229. Art Deco says:
    @Sam Shama

    Obviously, he is ignorant about what Science says about males and females and should try reading a book for once in his life. LOL!!
     
    Hi Steve, I comment infrequently on your blog, chiefly on account of my near complete agreement with you on most matters.

    On this one, far more caution is warranted. First, Google and all other search engines are attempting to solve globe-wide, large enterprise level problems. At those levels, Engineering is almost all about collaboration and managing code-flow from widely dispersed sub-divisions. It starts resembling a social organism, something which women are far better at than men.

    How could Google possibly ignore Damore's missive, one which in a fell swoop renders the important minority (20% women) of its workforce immediately superfluous, thus destroying any culture of social collaboration?

    This is not to say men aren't better coders and mathematicians. They are; but not more effective at managing social systems, I'm afraid.

    It starts resembling a social organism, something which women are far better at than men.

    How long has it been since you were employed in an office demographically dominated by women?

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    Depends on what you mean by "demographically dominated". I haven't ever. In Google's case, about 20% of their employees are women.
    , @Bill
    I'd guess never.
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  230. Sam Shama says:
    @Art Deco
    It starts resembling a social organism, something which women are far better at than men.

    How long has it been since you were employed in an office demographically dominated by women?

    Depends on what you mean by “demographically dominated”. I haven’t ever. In Google’s case, about 20% of their employees are women.

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  231. Moshe says:
    @Mr. Anon
    I guess you said something there. I don't know. I don't read nigerian spam.

    Wow, you’re a dick.

    Your comment is a perfect example of racism.

    He’s well spoken, intelligent and brings a small element of diversity (his views, not color) to this forum.

    Maybe you aren’t familiar with his other comments over the past months in which case your generalizing assumption would be acceptable.

    Considering however how he is a member in good standing here I think that an insult at his color/nationality is what racism is about.

    Talented tenth and all.

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    He’s well spoken, intelligent and brings a small element of diversity (his views, not color) to this forum.
     
    And he's highly anti-white, based on the comments by him that I have read. F**k him.
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  232. @Sam Shama

    Obviously, he is ignorant about what Science says about males and females and should try reading a book for once in his life. LOL!!
     
    Hi Steve, I comment infrequently on your blog, chiefly on account of my near complete agreement with you on most matters.

    On this one, far more caution is warranted. First, Google and all other search engines are attempting to solve globe-wide, large enterprise level problems. At those levels, Engineering is almost all about collaboration and managing code-flow from widely dispersed sub-divisions. It starts resembling a social organism, something which women are far better at than men.

    How could Google possibly ignore Damore's missive, one which in a fell swoop renders the important minority (20% women) of its workforce immediately superfluous, thus destroying any culture of social collaboration?

    This is not to say men aren't better coders and mathematicians. They are; but not more effective at managing social systems, I'm afraid.

    I’ve seen this crazy argument before.

    Look, if you are responsible as a computer “architect” to integrate a large system of code, you need a deeper, not shallower, understanding of how the code works; you require more, not less, ability at abstraction.

    Acting as though that is fundamentally a purely social process is just crackpot.

    It sounds like Jared Diamond’s argument that some primitive actually is smarter than any white guy because he knows how to determine directions, or some such thing.

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  233. Art Deco says:
    @Olorin
    That's two more papers than Neil de Grasse Tyson--Astrophysicist Laureate of the US--ever authored.

    Nothing shows up on GoogleScholar. I’m wondering if INSPEC or Astronomy and Astrophysics Abstracts might show something. He was supposedly a post-doctoral researcher for several years. There should have been several papers emerging from that (my guess would be collaborative work). He’s spent his entire career since as a planetarium director – i.e. in the teaching sector – so you would not expect many papers.

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  234. Art Deco says:
    @James Richard
    During the previous Democratic presidential administration, Bill Clinton fired Jocelyn Elders as Surgeon General for correctly pointing out that adolescents have sex and that this fact might very well positively inform health policy decisions.

    Clinton also withdrew Lani Guinier's nomination to Assistant Attorney General for having written that there might be merit in exploring other methods of tallying votes for legislative seats in national and state assemblies other than our first past the post plurality races and that these other methods are used to no apparent ill effect by other functioning Western democracies.

    Bill Clinton fired Jocelyn Elders as Surgeon General for correctly pointing out that adolescents have sex and that this fact might very well positively inform health policy decisions.

    No, he fired her for such gems as ‘get over our love affair with the fetus” and suggesting that masturbation should be taught in schools. The Surgeon-General has administrative responsibilities re the Commissioned Corps of the Public Health Service, but it’s also a PR position. The woman was an embarrassment.

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    I always laughed; I remembered thinking "who needs tl be taught to masturbate?!" Hell, I had a friend (we were in middle school) whose kid sister, a toddler, compulsively did it, and was always having to be scolded to knock it off and that it was not appropriate to do it in front of other people.

    People figure it out without needing to be taught; the trouble isn't that adolescents don't know about self-gratification – it is that they want to trade up to the real deal, and their raging hormones incessantly drive them to it....
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  235. Art Deco says:
    @James Richard
    During the previous Democratic presidential administration, Bill Clinton fired Jocelyn Elders as Surgeon General for correctly pointing out that adolescents have sex and that this fact might very well positively inform health policy decisions.

    Clinton also withdrew Lani Guinier's nomination to Assistant Attorney General for having written that there might be merit in exploring other methods of tallying votes for legislative seats in national and state assemblies other than our first past the post plurality races and that these other methods are used to no apparent ill effect by other functioning Western democracies.

    Re Lani Guinier:

    My recollection is that she offered a bevy of contrivances designed to increase the number of black office holders. She never suggested anything straightforward like a practice manual for drawing electoral constituencies or making use of ordinal balloting.

    (Regarding substantive benefits, black-office-holders qua black-office-holders are beneficial to the black-rank-and-file when the incumbent population of white office holders is vicious and abusive. Cecil Price went to prison nearly 50 years ago).

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    She never suggested anything straightforward like a practice manual for drawing electoral constituencies or making use of ordinal ballotin
     
    Sure she did. She was especially fond of multiple choice and proportional representation without having to resort to gerrymandering.
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  236. anonguy says:
    @guest
    "I wonder what she does all day..."

    Spirit cooking.

    Cernovich made a case once that #spiritcooking hashtag the last weekend of the election was a margin of difference that put Trump over the top.

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  237. @Sam Shama

    Obviously, he is ignorant about what Science says about males and females and should try reading a book for once in his life. LOL!!
     
    Hi Steve, I comment infrequently on your blog, chiefly on account of my near complete agreement with you on most matters.

    On this one, far more caution is warranted. First, Google and all other search engines are attempting to solve globe-wide, large enterprise level problems. At those levels, Engineering is almost all about collaboration and managing code-flow from widely dispersed sub-divisions. It starts resembling a social organism, something which women are far better at than men.

    How could Google possibly ignore Damore's missive, one which in a fell swoop renders the important minority (20% women) of its workforce immediately superfluous, thus destroying any culture of social collaboration?

    This is not to say men aren't better coders and mathematicians. They are; but not more effective at managing social systems, I'm afraid.

    “Managing social systems” is a very abstract expression. Better to say just “cooperation” or “team work”. And, yes, you guessed it, men do beat women at cooperation and team work.

    I once worked in an office full of autistic (male) software developers. There were two people who hated each other so much that they would never talk to each other: you guessed it, the two only women in that office. (Secretary and accountant.) The fifteen or twenty guys had no such problems.

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  238. Art Deco says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    In recent history, the only example that comes to mind of a leftist who lost his job due to his politics is Van Jones, whom the White House had to let go when it came out that he is a card-carrying Communist and a 9/11 Truther. However, I'm not sure the Obama administration completely cut him out, and anyway he got a high-profile on-air position at CNN.

    Since Jones subscribed to notions which are just plain crazy, that’s an exception which proves the rule. There was a member of Congress from Georgia many years ago who was an official of the John Birch Society. (He was an oldline Dixiecrat, not a Republican). That man died in 1983.

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    That would have been Larry McDonald,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McDonald

    He was probably the last old time Dixiecrat and to his dying day, Bob Whitaker thought KAL 007 was a setup to kill the guy.

    I doubt that: it would have been a lot of work for a simple task. The fact was that Captain Chun was fast asleep along with the rest of the flight deck crew and attempts by Soviet interceptors to get their attention failed miserably. Being as the Cold War was still on and a 747 is quite capable of carrying (and being discreetly modified to drop) a thermonuclear weapon, they shot it down. Hamhanded but not willful mass murder.
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  239. anonguy says:
    @Amore
    Life in USA is becoming like life in old USSR or DDR. Your neighbor or colleague is spying on you because he can. Self preservation takes over and community dissolves bonds unless very deep.

    Snitch culture has become endemic. There is an anonymous hotline for everything and people are encouraged to believe they are heroic/brave/meritorious for being an informant on their peers.

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  240. CCZ says:

    So google fires a white male for “advancing harmful gender stereotypes.” I guess that means that all the trannies should go next: Men who say they have a “female brain” and present as women by dressing and acting classically “feminine” (that terrible patriarchal social construct) and modifying their bodies with breast enhancement and facial feminization surgery (go girl, Bruce Jenner) and women who say that they have a “male brain” and present as men by taking testosterone to grow body hair and speak with a low voice, have their breasts removed (to be able to show their manly chests), and, however awkward, keep a “packer” in their pants and use the urinal. But, I forgot that transgenders aren’t harmful gender stereotypes, they are diversity.

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  241. Eagle Eye says:
    @Anon7
    Sure, we know companies get rid of employees for perpetuating gender stereotypes... but can you actually get fired for perpetuating gender stereotypes?

    can you actually get fired for perpetuating gender stereotypes?

    Ironically, the ex-employee now has an iron-clad case against Google – for sex discrimination.

    A woman writing exactly the same memo would obviously NOT have been fired. Ergo – sex discrimination! Kah-ching!

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  242. Bill says:
    @JerryC
    You're assuming it's in "white people’s interest" for these liberal white dickheads to keep getting into Harvard. I'm not sure it is. Let them suffer the consequences of their ideology, just like the rest of us.

    It’s a fair point. However, whether we like it or not, Harvard is a principal elite-making institution in the US. Shutting whites out of it is not going to be good for whites because it will decrease white representation among US elites. Alien elites are bad for you (unless you are a Bantu, of course).

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    The entirety of what attracts foreign elites to places like Harvard is the chance to mingle with and acclimate to the culture of WASP elites. Why do you think Joe Kennedy was so obsessed with rolling on the uphill battle at Harvard when he could have been perfectly in his element at Notre Dame? Why do you think nothing special has come out of Berkeley since the Orientals took over? As Sailer has said, Asian students make for boring campuses.

    Let them bore Harvard to death. It's more than past time.
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  243. Bill says:
    @Art Deco
    It starts resembling a social organism, something which women are far better at than men.

    How long has it been since you were employed in an office demographically dominated by women?

    I’d guess never.

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  244. Holy f#%@!
    The guy mentions that there is pressure to conform at Google – he says something – he’s fired.
    Men of the USA, if that doesn’t tell you something then you are deaf.
    “If you want to know who rules over you, check who you’re not allowed to criticise.”

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  245. Coemgen says:

    Hm, Google needs a new icon. How ’bout: Theogenes and his flamethrower – looking for an honest man.

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  246. mobi says:
    @Sam Shama

    Obviously, he is ignorant about what Science says about males and females and should try reading a book for once in his life. LOL!!
     
    Hi Steve, I comment infrequently on your blog, chiefly on account of my near complete agreement with you on most matters.

    On this one, far more caution is warranted. First, Google and all other search engines are attempting to solve globe-wide, large enterprise level problems. At those levels, Engineering is almost all about collaboration and managing code-flow from widely dispersed sub-divisions. It starts resembling a social organism, something which women are far better at than men.

    How could Google possibly ignore Damore's missive, one which in a fell swoop renders the important minority (20% women) of its workforce immediately superfluous, thus destroying any culture of social collaboration?

    This is not to say men aren't better coders and mathematicians. They are; but not more effective at managing social systems, I'm afraid.

    How could Google possibly ignore Damore’s missive, one which in a fell swoop renders the important minority (20% women) of its workforce immediately superfluous, thus destroying any culture of social collaboration?

    No, because he wasn’t referring to the females there – he was referring to the females not there.

    And if more of the latter ‘should‘ be there, is this not equivalent to telling a large number of males at Google that they are unqualified to be there in the first place?

    What’s the difference? (except objective demonstrations of competence)

    If females are indeed better at this as you suggest, wouldn’t the obvious solution (and ultimate revenge for them) be an all-female Google competitor of their own, one that renders the males obsolete and unemployed?

    (Of course, I know the answer to this – but do you?)

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    "What's the difference?"

    Females are winning, or possibly have won, the Workplace War. Their feelz matter, mens' don't.

    What, do you want to go back to the Bad Old Days, when women had to cater to the culture of manhood? Back to the steno pool the ladies, condemned to endure endless bottom-pinching and being called "toots."
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  247. anonguy says:

    In case you haven’t noticed, Damore is the right-wing’s clock boy.

    He set this up totally. First his NRLB complaint, then he launches this memo to get himself fired.

    Go ahead an cheer him on, but realize that he is being totally disingenuous here. Dude works at Google, he knows exactly what sort of impact such a memo would have.

    Just a scheming guy who, in his situation, figured out a way make money off of Google that’s preferable to him than working for them.

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    I have no reason to think he's being disingenuous, but that's not the main point. Clock boy was inconvenienced because his school wasn't willing to accept any risk of having kids blown up. In contrast, Google isn't willing to accept any risk of having an honest conversation about gender (or race).
    , @reiner Tor

    In case you haven’t noticed, Damore is the right-wing’s clock boy.
     
    Quite different, actually.

    The similarity is that he 1) apparently lawyered up before the incident and 2) deliberately provoked the incident. (The second point follows from the first, obviously.)

    But the similarities end here.

    A) He's competent at what he does (I guess leading a group of programmers). Clock boy was an incompetent student and an incompetent clockmaker.

    B) Clock boy did it for career advancement and the money, which he would otherwise have been unable to obtain. Damore could've had an easier career had he kept his mouth shut. Now he's gambling his life on his "legal options".

    C) The trap Damore set for Google was set in the hope that Google would behave immorally. The trap Clock Boy set for the school was set in the hope that the school would behave responsibly. (I.e. not allowing the clock which looked like a bomb.) In other words, Damore's trap played on Google's weakness (its immorality) while Clock Boy's trap played on the school's weakness (its responsibility to protect students). The two are quite different.
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  248. EriK says:
    @Art Deco
    Which is pretty hypocritical of them, given their own history.

    Mr. Derbyshire in 2006 published in the New English Review a silly and vitriolic attack on a book written by one of the NR staff editors. Richard Lowry had had what amounted to a letter of resignation sitting on his desk for six years.

    Gross insults directed at the magazine's SoCon readership were not enough to get Derbyshire cut from the masthead. Which should tell you how much that constituency matters to NR's editor. Also, the magazine severed its relationship with Mark Steyn over the objections of its publisher but in deference to it's managing editor, a twee fool despised by the magazine's attentive readership. (Look at their comboxes whenever Mr. Steorts publishes a piece in the magazine).

    They're not 'hypocritical'. Richard Lowry is a Manhattan resident with the attitudes of a generic Manhattan resident.

    “Whether it is a cult or not, RTL is made as presentable as possible in Party of Death, with writing that is engaging and lucid. Will Ponnuru’s book make any converts to the RTL whatever-it-is? That depends on how much exposure it gets outside RTL circles. Just to be on the safe side, the mainstream media are studiously ignoring the book — a sad reflection on the current state of public debate, and of respect for rhetorical virtuosity. RTL-ers are welcoming Party of Death very joyfully, though, and they are right to do so, as it is an exceptionally fine piece of polemical writing in support of their … cause.”4

    This is a silly and vitriolic review? Get bent Art.

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  249. Boethiuss says:

    Yeah, I think Trump’s intentions might be in the right place in his better days, but he doesn’t have the bureaucratic infighting skills to move the ball here.

    Specifically, corporations like Google needed to be regulated much closer than they are, not for any direct purpose even, but because they are so socially and culturally corrosive. They have made a fetish of their lack of accountability. They need to be reined in, while they still can.

    This requires more creativity than what Trump has shown so far. I’d use anti-trust for starters, I haven’t seen that one mentioned yet.

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  250. #GoogleIsEvil

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  251. @Bill
    No no no.

    Right now, today, it is "illegal" to use hiring quotas to boost the number of blacks. On the other hand, right now, today, it is perfectly routine to use "statistical evidence" in race discrimination suits. To oversimplify only a little, statistical evidence says that there is discrimination against blacks if:

    proportion black in relevant population - proportion black at company > threshold

    where threshold is a number directly proportional to the square root of the number of employees in the relevant category at the company. Obviously, this creates a de facto quota requirement.

    So, quotas are both forbidden and mandatory. Since the only acceptable evidence of quotas (in practice) is a written document saying "there shall be quotas," quotas are mandatory in practice, and not writing down that you have quotas is also mandatory in practice.

    This happens constantly in the law.

    What's required is not a new law, regulation, whatever. What's required is that people who actually want to change the system be in power. The implementation details are just that: details.

    I agree. (I cannot log in to agree because doing so still caused an uneditable post.) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  252. @Jeff77450
    As a result of James Damore being fired I have deleted all my Google apps and I encourage anyone and everyone to do the same. From now on I will be using any search-engine other than Google, although DuckDuckGo has been recommended to me by multiple sources. #boycottgoogle

    Duckduckgo is OK if you’re in the States, less good if you’re not. Google works out your approx location and gives you results (where relevant) for your location.

    Example, I enter “ebay quad core processor” in DDG, I’m taken to US ebay, Google gives me UK.

    (Google is nowhere near as good a search engine as it was eight or ten years ago, though. It tends to give you what it thinks you meant to ask for rather than what you actually requested. It’s losing its USP. I use Startpage/Ixquick as my default – https://www.startpage.com/ )

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  253. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

    Upton Sinclair

    … as for women, …

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  254. @Art Deco
    Bill Clinton fired Jocelyn Elders as Surgeon General for correctly pointing out that adolescents have sex and that this fact might very well positively inform health policy decisions.

    No, he fired her for such gems as 'get over our love affair with the fetus" and suggesting that masturbation should be taught in schools. The Surgeon-General has administrative responsibilities re the Commissioned Corps of the Public Health Service, but it's also a PR position. The woman was an embarrassment.

    I always laughed; I remembered thinking “who needs tl be taught to masturbate?!” Hell, I had a friend (we were in middle school) whose kid sister, a toddler, compulsively did it, and was always having to be scolded to knock it off and that it was not appropriate to do it in front of other people.

    People figure it out without needing to be taught; the trouble isn’t that adolescents don’t know about self-gratification – it is that they want to trade up to the real deal, and their raging hormones incessantly drive them to it….

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    I always laughed; I remembered thinking “who needs to be taught to masturbate?!”
     
    Democrats, apparently, but I thought they were supposed to be the smarter ones.
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  255. WR says:
    @Judah Benjamin Hur
    This story got me thinking about what Brendan Eich is doing (I should have thought about this earlier).

    He's started a new company called Brave.

    "Brave is on a mission to fix the web by giving users a safer, faster and better browsing experience – while growing support for content creators through a new attention-based ecosystem of rewards.
    Much more than a browser, Brave is a new way of thinking about how the web works.
    Brave is open source, and built by a team of privacy focused, performance oriented pioneers of the web, founded by the inventor of Javascript and co-founder of Mozilla.
    Join us. It’s time to fix the web together."

    https://brave.com/about/

    I'm going to download it.

    Thanks. I just started using Brave as my default browser. I presume that many of us here feel like Winston Smith in 1984. Don’t become an easy target.

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  256. Forbes says:
    @eah
    They weren't stolen, they're just "missing" -- someone please file 440 missing bike reports.

    https://twitter.com/RealDoctorWhite/status/894708758873489408

    $2 million divided by 500 bicycles equals $4,000 per bike. That includes a lot of graft/overhead per bike.

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  257. [UPDATE: I'm now not sure if he completed his Ph.D. at Harvard before going to work at Google. Does anybody know?]

    He doesn’t appear in a search for “au(Damore) AND sch(Harvard)” in ProQuest Dissertations. Looks like he dropped out of grad school to take the job.

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  258. Nico says:
    @Bill
    It's a fair point. However, whether we like it or not, Harvard is a principal elite-making institution in the US. Shutting whites out of it is not going to be good for whites because it will decrease white representation among US elites. Alien elites are bad for you (unless you are a Bantu, of course).

    The entirety of what attracts foreign elites to places like Harvard is the chance to mingle with and acclimate to the culture of WASP elites. Why do you think Joe Kennedy was so obsessed with rolling on the uphill battle at Harvard when he could have been perfectly in his element at Notre Dame? Why do you think nothing special has come out of Berkeley since the Orientals took over? As Sailer has said, Asian students make for boring campuses.

    Let them bore Harvard to death. It’s more than past time.

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  259. Forbes says:
    @Jack D
    The left used to make a big deal out of the blacklisting that occurred during the McCarthy period. There are a whole bunch of movies about how unfair and unAmerican it is to deprive a fellow of his livelihood simply because you don't agree with his political point of view (read simply because he supported a mass murdering dictator and belonged to a party dedicated to the overthrow of the US government, but never mind.) But it turns out that the left was never really against blacklisting . We can see now that they LOVE blacklisting - they were just against blacklisting leftists. It's all who-whom with these people.

    Actually the Hollywood Blacklist is a separate issue from Senator Joseph McCarthy.

    The first Hollywood blacklist was instituted on November 25, 1947, the day after ten writers and directors were cited for contempt of Congress for refusing to testify to the House Un-American Activities Committee. A group of studio executives, acting under the aegis of the Association of Motion Picture Producers, fired the artists.

    Joseph McCarthy was a member of the Senate.

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  260. Forbes says:
    @L Woods
    Considering the breadth of what's considered "rape" in the current year, they might all be telling the truth.

    Considering that looking at a woman is characterized as rape…

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  261. @JerryC
    Working at Google seems like it's a lot like being in the Soviet Politburo in the 30s. Witch hunts, secret enemies lists, a general air of paranoia and mistrust.

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/08/07/revealed-inside-googles-sjw-cabal-blacklists/

    Yes, but they have foosball. And free snacks!

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  262. Forbes says:
    @whorefinder
    What they hated was being outed.

    When you read up on the era in Soviet spying---especially the Venona stuff and the actual testimony in front of HUAC (e.g. Gary Cooper's)---you realize McCarthy was underplaying the situation.

    Remember that McCarthy was in the Senate–HUAC was committee of the House.

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    Yeah, I was aware of the difference, but I was using it rhetorically. And since HUAC came first, McCarthy had all that proof to substantiate his own investigation. (Also, the Left

    Sometimes I wonder if McCarthy was just a dumb patsy bolstered by the commies to discredit the commie investigations as a whole, or whether he was an actual decent man whose investigation was grounded on facts and whom the Left merely lied and ridiculed to death. After reviewing what the Left did to Nixon and are currently trying to do to Trump, I'm inclined to think McCarthy was a little less blustering idiot and a little more smeared-by-lies.

    Never forget Gary Cooper's testimony alone substantiated the reports of communist subversion in Hollywood.
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  263. Forbes says:
    @Judah Benjamin Hur
    This story got me thinking about what Brendan Eich is doing (I should have thought about this earlier).

    He's started a new company called Brave.

    "Brave is on a mission to fix the web by giving users a safer, faster and better browsing experience – while growing support for content creators through a new attention-based ecosystem of rewards.
    Much more than a browser, Brave is a new way of thinking about how the web works.
    Brave is open source, and built by a team of privacy focused, performance oriented pioneers of the web, founded by the inventor of Javascript and co-founder of Mozilla.
    Join us. It’s time to fix the web together."

    https://brave.com/about/

    I'm going to download it.

    I’ve been using Brave for at least a year. Very satisfied. It has a Settings feature for choosing your search engine from a long list of options. I just switched to DuckDuckGo.

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  264. Somedude2 says:

    I’m literally shaking. I can’t even. From Google AdWords:

    How Google determines demographic information
    . . .
    Example
    Sarah’s favorite hobby is gardening. Many of the gardening sites and blogs on the Display Network that she visits have a majority of female readers. Based on this, Sarah’s browser (when she’s not signed in from her Google account) could be added to the “female” demographic category. As a result, Google may show Sarah ads from advertisers who have chosen to show their ads to women.

    https://support.google.com/adwords/answer/2580383

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  265. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Dr. X

    Alphabet Inc.’s Google has fired an employee who wrote an internal memo blasting the web company’s diversity policies, creating a firestorm across Silicon Valley.

    James Damore, the Google engineer who wrote the note, confirmed his dismissal in an email, saying that he had been fired for “perpetuating gender stereotypes.” …
     


    Ex-Google employee Dr. James Damore has a Ph.D. in Systems Biology from Harvard.
     
    Let me tell you people something in no uncertain terms. This stuff actually happens... It's not just a bunch of silliness that you read about on the Internet. It happened to me over a decade ago, and my "career" (hah!) has never recovered. Nor will it.

    If you are a white man and you, in any way, piss off the protected groups -- blacks, gays, women, Jews, transgendered, etc. -- you're done. If you haven't done anything criminal or otherwise actually wrong, they WILL invent things to use against you, and will rely on the subjective clauses in the Employee Handbook about collegiality, decorum, "code of conduct," or what-have-you.

    And your credentials, no matter how superior they may be, will mean NOTHING. In fact, it is pretty much a given that the people who will axe you will have far lower credentials than you do.

    I've said it many times and I will say it again: this kind of thing is what happened in the Soviet Union. Certainly it was far worse in the USSR, and the penalties were greater (death, or 20 years in gulag) but the basic dynamic and the psychology involved is the same.

    I’ve said it many times and I will say it again: this kind of thing is what happened in the Soviet Union. Certainly it was far worse in the USSR, and the penalties were greater (death, or 20 years in gulag)

    No, it was not far worse in the USSR. At least, in the last 25 years of its existence it wasn’t. It was exactly the same as here: you’d be fired and blacklisted.

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  266. Forbes says:
    @Massimo Heitor
    Google: We support freedom of opinion and diversity of thought... unless you disagree with us in which case we fire you.

    This is too much of a giant easy target. SNL and light night comedy should have some easy laughs mocking Google on this one.

    Unlikely. SNL and late night comedy want this story to disappear. Talking about it constitutes push back in the culture war. Only committed Left-wing culture warriors believe the insane position that being open minded means censoring those you disagree with.

    The best comment I’ve seen recently to describe the culture war: The Left wants the Right to shut-up; the Right wants the Left to keep talking.

    Perfect fit for this story.

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  267. @anonguy
    In case you haven't noticed, Damore is the right-wing's clock boy.

    He set this up totally. First his NRLB complaint, then he launches this memo to get himself fired.

    Go ahead an cheer him on, but realize that he is being totally disingenuous here. Dude works at Google, he knows exactly what sort of impact such a memo would have.

    Just a scheming guy who, in his situation, figured out a way make money off of Google that's preferable to him than working for them.

    I have no reason to think he’s being disingenuous, but that’s not the main point. Clock boy was inconvenienced because his school wasn’t willing to accept any risk of having kids blown up. In contrast, Google isn’t willing to accept any risk of having an honest conversation about gender (or race).

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  268. Redman says:
    @Kaz
    When you pretty much state something like 'women are in aggregate inferior to men at this because biological reason X' it's really hard to not fire someone for it..

    Especially when most of your workers are 'true believers'.

    I can't blame Google for this action, any company would have to make this move, you can't just openly state these things in the current landscape. They would get raked over the coals over this considering the 'hotbed of sexism' Silicon Valley is..

    Google won't fire you for holding rightist positions, I doubt he would get fired if he simply shared the view 'I believe in enforcing already existing immigration law'.

    I'm not sure how openly people get into politics like this at Google, but in my experience working for the past 4 years since I got out of college in the corporate landscape, people have been incredibly non-political on both sides, smart people who are collaborating know better than to stoke that shit at work.

    I thought he posted anonymously. Google had to take steps to unmask him.

    “stoke that shit…”

    Not sure what you’re talking about. We live in interesting times. How is speaking your mind (anonymously) detrimental?

    And not speaking politics is no longer an option, with all of the hate being thrown at the right. Got to pick a side.

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  269. Forbes says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    If and when the stock market figures this out Facebook is a literal ghost.

    Unfortunately, even if Zuck loses a few tens of billions, he'll still have lots. In 20 years I want to read about him living in a trailer out in the desert, not on his giant walled estate in Hawaii.

    In 1999, a friend asked me how far Amazon had to drop for Jeff Bezos to feel some pain. I don’t now remember the nose-bleed valuation at the time–but Bezos then owned 117 million shares. So I asked my friend, “at one dollar per share, is $117 million painful?”

    These sorts of dramatic speculations are a form of mental masturbation…

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    I mentally masturbate so much it's a wonder I haven't gone blind.
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  270. @anon
    I hate to say this, because I know I wouldn't do any better if I was in their shoes, but part of the problem is that smart people don't stick together. When this story broke, you saw tons of feminists saying they'd quit if this guy wasn't fired. You didn't see any of his defenders saying they'd quit if he was.

    And I get it. How much of a chance are you going to have of finding a job if you walk away from a job at Google to defend a "bigot"? So I can't really blame them. But still. It is worth pointing out an area where we're vulnerable.

    “When this story broke, you saw tons of feminists saying they’d quit if this guy wasn’t fired.”

    And their credibility is equal to the tons of Hollyweirdos promising to quit the USA if President Trump was hired.

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  271. @Cagey Beast
    I have yet to see anyone with three brain cells to rub together who isn’t.

    I wish that were true but there seems to be no shortage of high functioning White men and women who have embraced the progressive narrative so completely that they really do think the Google memo is a collection dangerous lies told out of malice or ignorance. Have a look at the comments on Twitter and elsewhere. Collectively, we nice, middle-class White people are very far gone. It seems to be women under sixty who are the worst, followed by earnest White men of the same age. We are a broken people or at least deeply damaged and confused. We need to recognize that if we hope to move forward past the next few generations.

    The actual comments on Twitter (and in the news, for instance) though seem determined to avoid any evidence of said high-functioning. I wonder if the utter vapidity is some sort of strange call for help or surrender.

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    The actual comments on Twitter (and in the news, for instance) though seem determined to avoid any evidence of said high-functioning.

    I'd say you're mostly right but I've seen much more than a handful of tweets from serious-looking but pretty White girls who have hard left doctrinaire comments on SJW issues but otherwise tweet about classical music concerts and trips to beautiful buildings. In other words, they're not all blue-haired fatties in a permanent state of hysteria. They're more like toned down versions of the women in the Red Army Faction than just a few more flaky attention whores. At least that's the impression I get looking at their Twitter feeds.

    I wonder if the utter vapidity is some sort of strange call for help or surrender.

    I think it is. Poor Sinead O'Connor is a woman for this moment in our history. I don't say that with any joy or malice; it's just true.

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  272. JackOH says:
    @Dr. X

    Alphabet Inc.’s Google has fired an employee who wrote an internal memo blasting the web company’s diversity policies, creating a firestorm across Silicon Valley.

    James Damore, the Google engineer who wrote the note, confirmed his dismissal in an email, saying that he had been fired for “perpetuating gender stereotypes.” …
     


    Ex-Google employee Dr. James Damore has a Ph.D. in Systems Biology from Harvard.
     
    Let me tell you people something in no uncertain terms. This stuff actually happens... It's not just a bunch of silliness that you read about on the Internet. It happened to me over a decade ago, and my "career" (hah!) has never recovered. Nor will it.

    If you are a white man and you, in any way, piss off the protected groups -- blacks, gays, women, Jews, transgendered, etc. -- you're done. If you haven't done anything criminal or otherwise actually wrong, they WILL invent things to use against you, and will rely on the subjective clauses in the Employee Handbook about collegiality, decorum, "code of conduct," or what-have-you.

    And your credentials, no matter how superior they may be, will mean NOTHING. In fact, it is pretty much a given that the people who will axe you will have far lower credentials than you do.

    I've said it many times and I will say it again: this kind of thing is what happened in the Soviet Union. Certainly it was far worse in the USSR, and the penalties were greater (death, or 20 years in gulag) but the basic dynamic and the psychology involved is the same.

    Agree. I’ve commented recently it’s my judgment that many folks underestimate the power of the pop philosophies that undergird SJWs, and, likewise, their ineffectively challenged prominence within the Zeitgeist, and actual laws that favor them. Also, it’s too glib by half to believe a successful legal action by Damore against Google will result in much of anything absent popular and elite championing of his cause.

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    I don't expect any sea change, but every little bit helps.

    The left won its position with a Long March through the institutions. The adults in charge previously didn't throw their hands up and say "You got us! We'll leave it to you from now on" the first thousand times they looked bad. But the Old liberal Order still lost.
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  273. @anonguy

    another truly exceptional man who your forebears in whiny Betarism
     
    I'd have used Betastan for a bit more stylistic flair.

    Stolen for next time. Whine Betastan.

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    @Desiderius
    The actual comments on Twitter (and in the news, for instance) though seem determined to avoid any evidence of said high-functioning. I wonder if the utter vapidity is some sort of strange call for help or surrender.

    The actual comments on Twitter (and in the news, for instance) though seem determined to avoid any evidence of said high-functioning.

    I’d say you’re mostly right but I’ve seen much more than a handful of tweets from serious-looking but pretty White girls who have hard left doctrinaire comments on SJW issues but otherwise tweet about classical music concerts and trips to beautiful buildings. In other words, they’re not all blue-haired fatties in a permanent state of hysteria. They’re more like toned down versions of the women in the Red Army Faction than just a few more flaky attention whores. At least that’s the impression I get looking at their Twitter feeds.

    I wonder if the utter vapidity is some sort of strange call for help or surrender.

    I think it is. Poor Sinead O’Connor is a woman for this moment in our history. I don’t say that with any joy or malice; it’s just true.

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  275. @Mr. Anon
    I guess you said something there. I don't know. I don't read nigerian spam.

    So said the Trojans to Cassandra.

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  276. @biz
    Sigh, all that speculation for nothing. Systems Biology is basically hardcore mathematical and algorithmic modeling. That's exactly what google does in its core businesses.

    Whiskey perfectly demonstrates the indistinguishibilty of parody and sincerity.

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  277. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Art Deco
    Since Jones subscribed to notions which are just plain crazy, that's an exception which proves the rule. There was a member of Congress from Georgia many years ago who was an official of the John Birch Society. (He was an oldline Dixiecrat, not a Republican). That man died in 1983.

    That would have been Larry McDonald,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McDonald

    He was probably the last old time Dixiecrat and to his dying day, Bob Whitaker thought KAL 007 was a setup to kill the guy.

    I doubt that: it would have been a lot of work for a simple task. The fact was that Captain Chun was fast asleep along with the rest of the flight deck crew and attempts by Soviet interceptors to get their attention failed miserably. Being as the Cold War was still on and a 747 is quite capable of carrying (and being discreetly modified to drop) a thermonuclear weapon, they shot it down. Hamhanded but not willful mass murder.

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    The Soviets figured it was a US military test to make their air defenses light up. KAL 007 crossed two separate Soviet far eastern peninsulas. It would have gotten away with just crossing one. The Soviets panicked when it was crossing the second, a narrow one, which only gave them a few seconds before the intruder would be back over international waters.
    , @snorlax
    That could be a clever new defense; you shoot someone, but it's ok, because hey, might've been carrying a suitcase nuke!!!
    , @Joe Stalin
    "Zooming to his target, Colonel Osipovoich pulled his SU-15 jet alongside the lumbering 747 at an altitude of about 34,000 feet. The 747's double row of windows were visible, he said."

    "At that point, the Soviets' big problem was no longer establishing the identify of the intruder, but rather time, he said. The intruder plane would soon have passed over Sakhalin Island and re-entered international airspace."

    "''I saw two rows of windows and knew that this was a Boeing,'' he said. ''I knew this was a civilian plane. But for me this meant nothing. It is easy to turn a civilian type of plane into one for military use.''

    "A confirmed Communist who lives in the Caucasus region, Colonel Osipovich insists that the jetliner was on a spy mission and that there were no civilian passengers aboard. He even considers himself fortunate to have achieved a measure of celebrity by having destroyed Flight 007."

    http://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/09/world/ex-soviet-pilot-still-insists-kal-007-was-spying.html
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  278. anonguy says:
    @Autochthon
    I always laughed; I remembered thinking "who needs tl be taught to masturbate?!" Hell, I had a friend (we were in middle school) whose kid sister, a toddler, compulsively did it, and was always having to be scolded to knock it off and that it was not appropriate to do it in front of other people.

    People figure it out without needing to be taught; the trouble isn't that adolescents don't know about self-gratification – it is that they want to trade up to the real deal, and their raging hormones incessantly drive them to it....

    I always laughed; I remembered thinking “who needs to be taught to masturbate?!”

    Democrats, apparently, but I thought they were supposed to be the smarter ones.

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  279. @Anonymous
    That would have been Larry McDonald,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McDonald

    He was probably the last old time Dixiecrat and to his dying day, Bob Whitaker thought KAL 007 was a setup to kill the guy.

    I doubt that: it would have been a lot of work for a simple task. The fact was that Captain Chun was fast asleep along with the rest of the flight deck crew and attempts by Soviet interceptors to get their attention failed miserably. Being as the Cold War was still on and a 747 is quite capable of carrying (and being discreetly modified to drop) a thermonuclear weapon, they shot it down. Hamhanded but not willful mass murder.

    The Soviets figured it was a US military test to make their air defenses light up. KAL 007 crossed two separate Soviet far eastern peninsulas. It would have gotten away with just crossing one. The Soviets panicked when it was crossing the second, a narrow one, which only gave them a few seconds before the intruder would be back over international waters.

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  280. @Art Deco
    Re Lani Guinier:

    My recollection is that she offered a bevy of contrivances designed to increase the number of black office holders. She never suggested anything straightforward like a practice manual for drawing electoral constituencies or making use of ordinal balloting.

    (Regarding substantive benefits, black-office-holders qua black-office-holders are beneficial to the black-rank-and-file when the incumbent population of white office holders is vicious and abusive. Cecil Price went to prison nearly 50 years ago).

    She never suggested anything straightforward like a practice manual for drawing electoral constituencies or making use of ordinal ballotin

    Sure she did. She was especially fond of multiple choice and proportional representation without having to resort to gerrymandering.

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    Her most salient suggestion was arguing that competing population groups 'take turns' running local governments. Another was allowing voters to cast multiple ballots for the same candidate in the context of FPTP / multi-member constituences. No, she never suggested ordinal balloting.
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  281. Mr. Anon says:
    @Moshe
    Wow, you're a dick.

    Your comment is a perfect example of racism.

    He's well spoken, intelligent and brings a small element of diversity (his views, not color) to this forum.

    Maybe you aren't familiar with his other comments over the past months in which case your generalizing assumption would be acceptable.

    Considering however how he is a member in good standing here I think that an insult at his color/nationality is what racism is about.

    Talented tenth and all.

    He’s well spoken, intelligent and brings a small element of diversity (his views, not color) to this forum.

    And he’s highly anti-white, based on the comments by him that I have read. F**k him.

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  282. @Cloud of Probable Matricide
    They have a bikeshare program in my city and it seems to be working well.

    Huh? Why would it work in Hong Kong and not in Baltimore? Life is a mystery.

    Bike share works great in México City. Of course, demographically, economically, and culturally Mexico City resembles Hong Kong a lot more than Baltimore. Also in crime rates.

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  283. @Forbes
    In 1999, a friend asked me how far Amazon had to drop for Jeff Bezos to feel some pain. I don't now remember the nose-bleed valuation at the time--but Bezos then owned 117 million shares. So I asked my friend, "at one dollar per share, is $117 million painful?"

    These sorts of dramatic speculations are a form of mental masturbation...

    I mentally masturbate so much it’s a wonder I haven’t gone blind.

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  284. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco
    Which is pretty hypocritical of them, given their own history.

    Mr. Derbyshire in 2006 published in the New English Review a silly and vitriolic attack on a book written by one of the NR staff editors. Richard Lowry had had what amounted to a letter of resignation sitting on his desk for six years.

    Gross insults directed at the magazine's SoCon readership were not enough to get Derbyshire cut from the masthead. Which should tell you how much that constituency matters to NR's editor. Also, the magazine severed its relationship with Mark Steyn over the objections of its publisher but in deference to it's managing editor, a twee fool despised by the magazine's attentive readership. (Look at their comboxes whenever Mr. Steorts publishes a piece in the magazine).

    They're not 'hypocritical'. Richard Lowry is a Manhattan resident with the attitudes of a generic Manhattan resident.

    Gross insults directed at the magazine’s SoCon readership were not enough to get Derbyshire cut from the masthead.

    No, but saying something true (about the reality of black crime) was.

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  285. snorlax says:
    @Anonymous
    That would have been Larry McDonald,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McDonald

    He was probably the last old time Dixiecrat and to his dying day, Bob Whitaker thought KAL 007 was a setup to kill the guy.

    I doubt that: it would have been a lot of work for a simple task. The fact was that Captain Chun was fast asleep along with the rest of the flight deck crew and attempts by Soviet interceptors to get their attention failed miserably. Being as the Cold War was still on and a 747 is quite capable of carrying (and being discreetly modified to drop) a thermonuclear weapon, they shot it down. Hamhanded but not willful mass murder.

    That could be a clever new defense; you shoot someone, but it’s ok, because hey, might’ve been carrying a suitcase nuke!!!

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    You understand the difference: it was an airplane, flown by professionals, flying into forbidden airspace, not reacting to interceptors flying close to it. Though I seriously doubt that the Soviets thought it was about to drop a thermonuclear weapon. They thought it was a spy plane, a military target, with a small crew, who might even be able to bail.
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  286. guest says:
    @Sam Shama

    Obviously, he is ignorant about what Science says about males and females and should try reading a book for once in his life. LOL!!
     
    Hi Steve, I comment infrequently on your blog, chiefly on account of my near complete agreement with you on most matters.

    On this one, far more caution is warranted. First, Google and all other search engines are attempting to solve globe-wide, large enterprise level problems. At those levels, Engineering is almost all about collaboration and managing code-flow from widely dispersed sub-divisions. It starts resembling a social organism, something which women are far better at than men.

    How could Google possibly ignore Damore's missive, one which in a fell swoop renders the important minority (20% women) of its workforce immediately superfluous, thus destroying any culture of social collaboration?

    This is not to say men aren't better coders and mathematicians. They are; but not more effective at managing social systems, I'm afraid.

    Women are better at managing “social organisms” and cultures of collaboration? Pfft! They’re not even better at managing families.

    What happened back when women weren’t in social enterprises like business, politics, heck, cooperative efforts going all the way back to war parties and hunting bands? Did those all just collapse for lack of women? Did we never progress into civilization without the guiding hand of Woman? Am I living in the Stone Age without having noticed?

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  287. guest says:
    @mobi

    How could Google possibly ignore Damore’s missive, one which in a fell swoop renders the important minority (20% women) of its workforce immediately superfluous, thus destroying any culture of social collaboration?
     
    No, because he wasn't referring to the females there - he was referring to the females not there.

    And if more of the latter 'should' be there, is this not equivalent to telling a large number of males at Google that they are unqualified to be there in the first place?

    What's the difference? (except objective demonstrations of competence)

    If females are indeed better at this as you suggest, wouldn't the obvious solution (and ultimate revenge for them) be an all-female Google competitor of their own, one that renders the males obsolete and unemployed?

    (Of course, I know the answer to this - but do you?)

    “What’s the difference?”

    Females are winning, or possibly have won, the Workplace War. Their feelz matter, mens’ don’t.

    What, do you want to go back to the Bad Old Days, when women had to cater to the culture of manhood? Back to the steno pool the ladies, condemned to endure endless bottom-pinching and being called “toots.”

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  288. guest says:
    @JackOH
    Agree. I've commented recently it's my judgment that many folks underestimate the power of the pop philosophies that undergird SJWs, and, likewise, their ineffectively challenged prominence within the Zeitgeist, and actual laws that favor them. Also, it's too glib by half to believe a successful legal action by Damore against Google will result in much of anything absent popular and elite championing of his cause.

    I don’t expect any sea change, but every little bit helps.

    The left won its position with a Long March through the institutions. The adults in charge previously didn’t throw their hands up and say “You got us! We’ll leave it to you from now on” the first thousand times they looked bad. But the Old liberal Order still lost.

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    Agree. Leftists shopped their game around to whomever would listen, such as Henry Ford with that failed peace expedition during WWI.

    I've tried to persuade in a few of my comments here that a cool-headed accounting be done of the crystallized "achievements" (my very rare use of sneer quotes) of the Left. This, the awful muddle we live in today, can't possibly be what good-hearted Leftists had in mind way back when. As in, government-dictated anti-White racism enforced by the police powers of the state.
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  289. @snorlax
    That could be a clever new defense; you shoot someone, but it's ok, because hey, might've been carrying a suitcase nuke!!!

    You understand the difference: it was an airplane, flown by professionals, flying into forbidden airspace, not reacting to interceptors flying close to it. Though I seriously doubt that the Soviets thought it was about to drop a thermonuclear weapon. They thought it was a spy plane, a military target, with a small crew, who might even be able to bail.

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    The plane was a 747 jumbo jet, the easiest-to-identify aircraft ever created, and which has never served in any military capacity, in brightly-colored Korean Airlines livery and squawking on a civilian transponder:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/1981-09-15_12-00-00_United_States_Hawaii_Aliamanu_2.JPG/1024px-1981-09-15_12-00-00_United_States_Hawaii_Aliamanu_2.JPG

    I agree that they did not intend to shoot down a passenger jet full of civilians, but they did so out of 1) a criminal degree of incompetence beneath any enlisted soldier, much less frontline air defense officers, and 2) much like their latter-day ideological cousins, a depraved ideological fanaticism wherein any acts, no matter how vicious, are justified when the victims are the imaginary villains of their paranoiac fantasies.

    http://www.newsweek.com/russia-violates-finnish-airspacefinnish-airspacerussian-violationfinnish-air-602425

    "Russia Violates Finnish Airspace for the Sixth Time in a Year"

    Note that this story is exactly the same; a Russian aircraft crossed into Finnish airspace for an extended period of time, ignoring both radio contact and fighters scrambled to intercept. Except in this case it really was a military aircraft and the behavior really was deliberate. But nevertheless the Finns managed to suppress their hankerings for a bit of the old ultraviolence.

    And of course this sort of thing was even more pervasive during the Cold War. The Russians have a great deal of difficulty with the Golden Rule. So I guess they're lucky I wasn't POTUS in 1983, because I would've ordered an immediate change in our procedures such that any Soviet aircraft illegally entering NATO and allied airspace be forced to land or else shot down. That is, same as the Soviet policy towards us.
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  290. JackOH says:
    @guest
    I don't expect any sea change, but every little bit helps.

    The left won its position with a Long March through the institutions. The adults in charge previously didn't throw their hands up and say "You got us! We'll leave it to you from now on" the first thousand times they looked bad. But the Old liberal Order still lost.

    Agree. Leftists shopped their game around to whomever would listen, such as Henry Ford with that failed peace expedition during WWI.

    I’ve tried to persuade in a few of my comments here that a cool-headed accounting be done of the crystallized “achievements” (my very rare use of sneer quotes) of the Left. This, the awful muddle we live in today, can’t possibly be what good-hearted Leftists had in mind way back when. As in, government-dictated anti-White racism enforced by the police powers of the state.

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  291. Art Deco says:
    @James Richard

    She never suggested anything straightforward like a practice manual for drawing electoral constituencies or making use of ordinal ballotin
     
    Sure she did. She was especially fond of multiple choice and proportional representation without having to resort to gerrymandering.

    Her most salient suggestion was arguing that competing population groups ‘take turns’ running local governments. Another was allowing voters to cast multiple ballots for the same candidate in the context of FPTP / multi-member constituences. No, she never suggested ordinal balloting.

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  292. @anonguy
    In case you haven't noticed, Damore is the right-wing's clock boy.

    He set this up totally. First his NRLB complaint, then he launches this memo to get himself fired.

    Go ahead an cheer him on, but realize that he is being totally disingenuous here. Dude works at Google, he knows exactly what sort of impact such a memo would have.

    Just a scheming guy who, in his situation, figured out a way make money off of Google that's preferable to him than working for them.

    In case you haven’t noticed, Damore is the right-wing’s clock boy.

    Quite different, actually.

    The similarity is that he 1) apparently lawyered up before the incident and 2) deliberately provoked the incident. (The second point follows from the first, obviously.)

    But the similarities end here.

    A) He’s competent at what he does (I guess leading a group of programmers). Clock boy was an incompetent student and an incompetent clockmaker.

    B) Clock boy did it for career advancement and the money, which he would otherwise have been unable to obtain. Damore could’ve had an easier career had he kept his mouth shut. Now he’s gambling his life on his “legal options”.

    C) The trap Damore set for Google was set in the hope that Google would behave immorally. The trap Clock Boy set for the school was set in the hope that the school would behave responsibly. (I.e. not allowing the clock which looked like a bomb.) In other words, Damore’s trap played on Google’s weakness (its immorality) while Clock Boy’s trap played on the school’s weakness (its responsibility to protect students). The two are quite different.

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    Furthermore, the missive is beneficial to the right, regardless of its source or whether its author was being ingenuous or not. Not just because it makes Google look bad, but because it gets the word out about sex differences. Clock boy made the left look bad because it was just a stupid torn up clock.
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  293. Ivy says:
    @scrivener3
    It is equally true that opposing counsel has to deal with your lawyer a lot over the years. I think you are expressing unfounded paranoia. I mean, each lawyer is rolling over to get along with the opposing counsel?

    Having a terrible loss record is not the way to get big clients.

    Who said anything about each lawyer rolling over? The results include not just cases won or lost but the little details that may water down what could be called a win.

    As a fiduciary, I probably took a harder line, but I suppose that one man’s diligence could be another’s paranoia. For example, I wasn’t willing to let a national firm’s partner off the hook when he was willing to just chalk gaffes up to “Lesson learned about xyz counsel”. We used engagement management for good reasons as relationships need to be looked at periodically and systematically.

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    @Forbes
    Remember that McCarthy was in the Senate--HUAC was committee of the House.

    Yeah, I was aware of the difference, but I was using it rhetorically. And since HUAC came first, McCarthy had all that proof to substantiate his own investigation. (Also, the Left

    Sometimes I wonder if McCarthy was just a dumb patsy bolstered by the commies to discredit the commie investigations as a whole, or whether he was an actual decent man whose investigation was grounded on facts and whom the Left merely lied and ridiculed to death. After reviewing what the Left did to Nixon and are currently trying to do to Trump, I’m inclined to think McCarthy was a little less blustering idiot and a little more smeared-by-lies.

    Never forget Gary Cooper’s testimony alone substantiated the reports of communist subversion in Hollywood.

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  295. guest says:
    @reiner Tor

    In case you haven’t noticed, Damore is the right-wing’s clock boy.
     
    Quite different, actually.

    The similarity is that he 1) apparently lawyered up before the incident and 2) deliberately provoked the incident. (The second point follows from the first, obviously.)

    But the similarities end here.

    A) He's competent at what he does (I guess leading a group of programmers). Clock boy was an incompetent student and an incompetent clockmaker.

    B) Clock boy did it for career advancement and the money, which he would otherwise have been unable to obtain. Damore could've had an easier career had he kept his mouth shut. Now he's gambling his life on his "legal options".

    C) The trap Damore set for Google was set in the hope that Google would behave immorally. The trap Clock Boy set for the school was set in the hope that the school would behave responsibly. (I.e. not allowing the clock which looked like a bomb.) In other words, Damore's trap played on Google's weakness (its immorality) while Clock Boy's trap played on the school's weakness (its responsibility to protect students). The two are quite different.

    Furthermore, the missive is beneficial to the right, regardless of its source or whether its author was being ingenuous or not. Not just because it makes Google look bad, but because it gets the word out about sex differences. Clock boy made the left look bad because it was just a stupid torn up clock.

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    Clock Boy could have an exhibit at the Obama Library, if that didn't overshadow his O-Ness.
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  296. @Whiskey
    Why did Google hire this guy in the first place? He's a Phd in Life Sciences from Harvard according to reports. Presumably, he cost a lot of money, and last time I checked, Life Sciences is WAAAAAY away from Google's core business of search/ads, and mobile/android.

    To me this says Google is already seeing rapid erosion of their revenue base in search/ads, and mobile/android. Samsung has invested in Tizen, and there are several alternatives beyond THAT for carriers and/or manufacturers to fund that will easily run android apps which are all Java based: Sailfish OS, Ubuntu Touch (abandoned by Canonical but forked by the community), Firefox OS (same) and so on. All are Linux based open source-ish at least, with reasonable licensing structures and customization possibilities up the ying yang that Google no longer offers on stock android.

    So Google is trying to get into AI, self-driving cars, AR, biomedical (where the fired employee fits in) and the like. HOW exactly is giving in to the SJW Witch hunt going to allow them to compete in this area where they already face some rather nasty lawsuits alleging that White males in their drone program were discriminated against for their MILITARY BACKGROUND? Link here. [Business Insider, Safe for work]

    Google has no permanent advantage. People can dump Google Docs in a heartbeat, AND WILL if they are not on the SJW Witchburning brigade. Same with Google Calendar, Google Mail, etc. There are a zillion web services, all of which are likely as easy to use as the others. Heck Iphone users don't even bother with Google most of the time; they stick with Apple apps. And the Iphone still dominates in the US because its easier and just works: Apple does the software/hardware integration and won't let it be filled with non-removable crapware by the carriers.

    Their ad/search business is disappearing with phony click bots on swarms of botnets often accounting for 75% of some ad views. Didn't P&G abandon all internet ads over phony bot views?

    Remember the giants of yore: Kodak, SGI, Sun, DEC, Commodore, Amiga, etc? How mighty they were? Google needs to expend a lot of cash to operate those data centers and constantly mine that data; but they are one Snowden away from massive lawsuits and consumer abandonment. No one NEEDS to use Google Docs; you can always use LibreOffice or Apple Sheets or whatever they call it or even Microsoft Office online. Google's only advantage was smart White guys who they've chased away now.

    Why did Google hire this guy in the first place? He’s a Phd in Life Sciences from Harvard according to reports. Presumably, he cost a lot of money, and last time I checked, Life Sciences is WAAAAAY away from Google’s core business of search/ads, and mobile/android.

    He participated in a coding contest sponsored by Google. That’s how they identified him.

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  297. @Marty
    Despite their ability to throw up a blizzard of paper, Big-Law's management side employment lawyers have been losing employment cases in California to underfunded and then-unknown plaintiff's lawyers ever since this area of law sprung into bring in 1981. I myself happened to be in the courtroom during parts of the first-ever "wrongful discharge" case, won by a firm of young nobodies against IBM in San Francisco in '82. No, the problem for Damore won't be the ferocity of the defense, but theseemingly ubiquitous acceptance of "disparate impact" theory by bench and bar, i.e. Including by plaintiffs' lawyers, who in a different context would be champing at the bit. Who's the greatest trial lawyer ever? Did he ever have a case where if he won, he'd never get laid again?

    No, the problem for Damore won’t be the ferocity of the defense, but theseemingly ubiquitous acceptance of “disparate impact” theory by bench and bar, i.e. Including by plaintiffs’ lawyers, who in a different context would be champing at the bit. Who’s the greatest trial lawyer ever? Did he ever have a case where if he won, he’d never get laid again?

    Literally everything has a disparate impact, including any policy Google is relying on to justify the firing. A good lawyer would make “disparate impact” work in Damore’s favor.

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  298. @Anonymous
    That would have been Larry McDonald,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McDonald

    He was probably the last old time Dixiecrat and to his dying day, Bob Whitaker thought KAL 007 was a setup to kill the guy.

    I doubt that: it would have been a lot of work for a simple task. The fact was that Captain Chun was fast asleep along with the rest of the flight deck crew and attempts by Soviet interceptors to get their attention failed miserably. Being as the Cold War was still on and a 747 is quite capable of carrying (and being discreetly modified to drop) a thermonuclear weapon, they shot it down. Hamhanded but not willful mass murder.

    “Zooming to his target, Colonel Osipovoich pulled his SU-15 jet alongside the lumbering 747 at an altitude of about 34,000 feet. The 747′s double row of windows were visible, he said.”

    “At that point, the Soviets’ big problem was no longer establishing the identify of the intruder, but rather time, he said. The intruder plane would soon have passed over Sakhalin Island and re-entered international airspace.”

    “”I saw two rows of windows and knew that this was a Boeing,” he said. ”I knew this was a civilian plane. But for me this meant nothing. It is easy to turn a civilian type of plane into one for military use.”

    “A confirmed Communist who lives in the Caucasus region, Colonel Osipovich insists that the jetliner was on a spy mission and that there were no civilian passengers aboard. He even considers himself fortunate to have achieved a measure of celebrity by having destroyed Flight 007.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/09/world/ex-soviet-pilot-still-insists-kal-007-was-spying.html

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  299. snorlax says:
    @reiner Tor
    You understand the difference: it was an airplane, flown by professionals, flying into forbidden airspace, not reacting to interceptors flying close to it. Though I seriously doubt that the Soviets thought it was about to drop a thermonuclear weapon. They thought it was a spy plane, a military target, with a small crew, who might even be able to bail.

    The plane was a 747 jumbo jet, the easiest-to-identify aircraft ever created, and which has never served in any military capacity, in brightly-colored Korean Airlines livery and squawking on a civilian transponder:

    I agree that they did not intend to shoot down a passenger jet full of civilians, but they did so out of 1) a criminal degree of incompetence beneath any enlisted soldier, much less frontline air defense officers, and 2) much like their latter-day ideological cousins, a depraved ideological fanaticism wherein any acts, no matter how vicious, are justified when the victims are the imaginary villains of their paranoiac fantasies.

    http://www.newsweek.com/russia-violates-finnish-airspacefinnish-airspacerussian-violationfinnish-air-602425

    “Russia Violates Finnish Airspace for the Sixth Time in a Year”

    Note that this story is exactly the same; a Russian aircraft crossed into Finnish airspace for an extended period of time, ignoring both radio contact and fighters scrambled to intercept. Except in this case it really was a military aircraft and the behavior really was deliberate. But nevertheless the Finns managed to suppress their hankerings for a bit of the old ultraviolence.

    And of course this sort of thing was even more pervasive during the Cold War. The Russians have a great deal of difficulty with the Golden Rule. So I guess they’re lucky I wasn’t POTUS in 1983, because I would’ve ordered an immediate change in our procedures such that any Soviet aircraft illegally entering NATO and allied airspace be forced to land or else shot down. That is, same as the Soviet policy towards us.

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  300. Ivy says:
    @guest
    Furthermore, the missive is beneficial to the right, regardless of its source or whether its author was being ingenuous or not. Not just because it makes Google look bad, but because it gets the word out about sex differences. Clock boy made the left look bad because it was just a stupid torn up clock.

    Clock Boy could have an exhibit at the Obama Library, if that didn’t overshadow his O-Ness.

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