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From Glamour:

BY EVELYN WANG
JANUARY 19, 2018 10:51 AM

Star Wars: The Last Jedi, as everyone knows, is a cinematic marvel. It has a 91% rating on Rotten Tomatoes, was the highest-grossing film of 2017, and guess what—almost all of its major characters were women and POC. That last fact did not sit well with one man, however, who decided to show us all by spending a great deal of time and effort editing out all the women from the film. (Or, as he called it, removing all the “Girlz Powah and other silly stuff.”) The result? A 46-minute short film called The Last Jedi: De-Feminized Fanedit that was universally panned and mocked relentlessly by the director and cast.

Twitter user Logan Smith, however, was not content letting it end there. Smith, who’s also behind the Twitter project @YesYoureRacist, took things one step further and applied the same flawed logic to Saving Private Ryan. “In response to the MRA douche who edited all the women out of #TheLastJedi,” he wrote, “I decided to edit all of the men out of Saving Private Ryan. Here it is in its entirety.”

The result is 2 minutes and 20 seconds of abandoned roads, graveyards, women looking out the window, the American flag undulating forlornly in the wind, and raindrops. For some perspective, the original cut of Saving Private Ryan is 2 hours and 49 minutes long. To be fair, it’s not like women don’t speak at all in those 2 hours and 49 minutes. It’s just that they speak only when there’s a man present. As Smith explained, “I think there was one or two scenes where a woman said something but there was also a man in the shot so I had to cut it.”

Also, coming soon, a 45 second version of Lawrence of Arabia consisting solely of Arab ladies ululating:

After that, a two minute 2001 starring an outer space stewardess and a little girl on her birthday via Bell System Picturephone:

 
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  1. This reminds me of the kerfuffle over the “journalist” who griped that Dunkirk was sexist (no men) but that Wonder Woman was just the bestest movie ever. Fake Greek goddess fighting fake battles: awesome. Real men saving the West from Nazism: sexist.

    Let’s make a documentary of World War II editing out all the soldiers fighting the Nazis. That’ll be fun.

    Oh you say, all the Nazis were all men, too? Okay, let’s make a documentary editing out all the men involved in finding a cure for cancer. That one would be pretty damn short, too.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I watched a bit of Wonder Woman. My wife watched all of it. Big Afro-Americans scattered into the crowd of Amazons. I was surprised at how cheesy the production values are. The Amazons' helmet thingies seemed to be made of cardboard. I looked up the claimed production costs which were an astounding $150 million (probably exaggerated) with receipts of $800 million. The Titanic movie by contrast, in 1997, had production costs of $200 million which included paying for 3/4 size Titanic set and a tank holding 350,000 gallons of water for the final scene.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    I watched tried to watch part of "The Dirty Dozen" while staying in Germany on a small B&W TV. Ha! All the uniforms looked the same, they were all speaking German, and so I couldn't tell what the hell was going on during that scene in which the bunker was blown up. The only think I learned from the TV is all the numbers, as there would be 10 very short commercials in a row advertising girls (that would do something for you, I dunno) "Nine null, nine femft, nine zeben!" "CALL NOW!" (<--- I guess?)
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  2. Since it was men, in fact, who took the creative initiative to do both edits and squared off to do battle with their video clips, it appears that Evelyn Wang at Glamour is simply content to play the part of the ululating lady for the second man, Logan Smith.

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    • Agree: syonredux
    • LOL: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Lurker
    Someone should go one further and make a film editing out all male influences.

    Saving Private Ryan with no men and with no planes, tanks, guns, barbed wire etc.

    But more of an issue - no film, no cameras, no sound, no way to view to view the movie and thus no movie for snowflakes to complain about.

    , @anon
    The men-edited-out “Schindler’s List” is fantastic!!!
    , @SMK
    "In response to the MRA douche who edited all the women out of The Last Jedi, I decided to edit all the men out of Saving Private Ryan." That is ironic since MRA's -the misogynist lunatics and zealots of the soi-disant "men's movement"- agree with feminists in supporting women in combat and the feminization of the military and police and fire departments, female guards in male prisons, etc. In contrast to F. Roger Devlin -anyone who hates women and depicts men and boys as the victims of females, even if they and MRA's disagree on such issues as massive nonwhite immigration, race, sex differences- the regnant majority of MRA's are left-liberals, cultural determinists, and sexual egalitarians. Thus MRA's, not feminist ideologues and their left-liberal sympathizers, are the most fanatical proponents or women in combat and female conscription, should the draft be reinstated for whatever reasons, because they're misogynists as well as left-liberals and sexual egalitarians. So pathological and virulent and obsessive is their hatred of women and lust for vengence that they revel in the deaths and injuries and sufferings of female soldiers.
    , @SMK
    "In response to the MRA douche who edited all the women out of The Last Jedi, I decided to edit all the men out of Saving Private Ryan." That is ironic since MRA's -the misogynist lunatics and zealots of the soi-disant "men's movement"- agree with feminists in supporting women in combat and the feminization of the military and police and fire departments, female guards in male prisons, etc. In contrast to F. Roger Devlin -anyone who hates women and depicts men and boys as the victims of females, even if they and MRA's disagree on such issues as massive nonwhite immigration, race, sex differences- the regnant majority of MRA's are left-liberals, cultural determinists, and sexual egalitarians. Thus MRA's, not feminist ideologues and their left-liberal sympathizers, are the most fanatical proponents or women in combat and female conscription, should the draft be reinstated for whatever reasons, because they're misogynists as well as left-liberals and sexual egalitarians. So pathological and virulent and obsessive is their hatred of women and lust for vengence that they revel in the deaths and injuries and sufferings of female soldiers.
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  3. Back in the day, I thought it was very humorous that they were trying to pass off Vin Diesel as being in a white regiment. I think he was supposed to be Italian.

    I never thought we would see the day when someone like Lin Manuel Miranda was supposed to be an Englishman.

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  4. >TLJ is a good movie because critics love it
    >fan edit is terrible because it is “universally panned and mocked relentlessly” BY THE TARGETS OF ITS SATIRE, who are somehow more authoritative than audiences or fans , and whose disapproval is not self-explanatory
    >having questions about Super Leia and the Abramsishly bad final fight scene is resenting non-male achievement
    Wow. Just wow. If it were not for the vaunted cinematic expertise of this make-up and fashion magazine for teenaged girls I would doubt that this was real.

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  5. What ridiculous times we live in.

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    • Replies: @Jake
    The USSR never was any crazier than the US/Anglosphere and EU are now.
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  6. @PiltdownMan
    Since it was men, in fact, who took the creative initiative to do both edits and squared off to do battle with their video clips, it appears that Evelyn Wang at Glamour is simply content to play the part of the ululating lady for the second man, Logan Smith.

    Someone should go one further and make a film editing out all male influences.

    Saving Private Ryan with no men and with no planes, tanks, guns, barbed wire etc.

    But more of an issue – no film, no cameras, no sound, no way to view to view the movie and thus no movie for snowflakes to complain about.

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    • Agree: Coemgen
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    Take it to the logical conclusion: all the women wasting away from lack of protein and eventually dying off due to lack of procreation.

    Then again, this is probably the ideal vision of Earth for these types since they are likely also radical "environmentalists" who believe Man is a disease upon this planet.
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    ... no film, no cameras, no sound, no way to view to view the movie and thus no movie for snowflakes to complain about.
     
    How about at least popcorn, $5 coke-colas, and snuck-in gummies? Otherwise, what's the freakin' point, man?
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  7. “My grandmother cooked rice, my mother cooked rice, I write articles about the patriarchy, my daughter will write articles about the patriarchy, but her daughter will cook rice.” – Evelyn Wang, probably

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    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    "My grandmother enjoyed shlong ,my mother enjoyed shlong..."
    , @SimpleSong
    LOL she's going to reproduce! Yeah no.
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  8. So now feminism and SJWism is about denigrating the heroes who saves the world from Nazism. How wonderful.

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    • Replies: @Dr. X

    So now feminism and SJWism is about denigrating the heroes who saves the world from Nazism.
     
    ...So that Soviet Communism could flourish for another 50 years?
    , @dfordoom

    So now feminism and SJWism is about denigrating the heroes who saves the world from Nazism. How wonderful.
     
    If it wasn't for the sacrifices of those brave heroes we wouldn't have the wonderful world we have today. We might never have had homosexual marriage, or men in dresses being hailed as women of the year, or hip-hop music, or reality TV, or mass Third World immigration, or the drug culture, or ubiquitous pornography, or SJWs, or any of the other fantastic achievements of liberal democracy.

    I'm sure those guys don't regret any of the sacrifices they made.
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  9. Too bad that Mr Logan Smith didn’t decide to edit out all the men from George Cukor’s The Women….

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  10. I read this somewhere else online:

    The de-feminised The Last Jedi is the trigger that keeps on triggering.

    It’s so hilariously obvious the feminazis are massively bothered by the fact that their preachfest/diversity lecture is being raked over the coals by everyone not a Marxist or paid off by Disney to like it. They are responding with massive force to counter it, writing as many twitter posts and blog articles and newspaper blurbs as possible.

    It really reminds me a lot of how much of a defense the feminazis ran on the Girlbusters debacle. They were flipping out when people called the trailer bad, and so many of them were claiming it was a “brilliant comedy” when it came out. One fat feminazi “activist” bragged about going to the theater dressed in a ghostbuster outfit (plus sized) on opening day to show her solidarity.

    And yet they fooled no one. It flopped. Hard.

    Sony’s entire planned Ghostbusters Extended Universe (yes, they planned one like Marvel’s Superhero one) was killed ab initio, Paul Feig permanently blackened his name with both money-conscious producers and male comedy fans, Leslie Jones had to retreat and run home from Twitter after a gay many ripped her work apart, and, most pathetically, Saturday Night Live despite the movie starring two then-current SNL players (Jones, Kate McKinnon), a lauded SNL-veteran (Kristen Wiig), and a comedienne who was very friendly with the SNL crew and multiple appearances (Melissa McCarthy)—well, SNL didn’t even have the guts to make fun of the flop or mention it.

    It’s quite amusing how in-denial the SJWs are that, in only two films, they’ve managed to do what George Lucas couldn’t with the prequels : they’ve killed the franchise. The drop in sales from The Force Awakens to The Last Jedi was horrendous, and the foreign drop in China was cataclysmic. The next movie will likely be the first Star Wars movie/TV show/video game to lose money in history, unless there is a reboot or, somehow, there is a massive overhaul by a masculine director who changes everything around in one fell swoop.

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    • Agree: Percy Gryce
    • Replies: @neutral

    The next movie will likely be the first Star Wars movie/TV show/video game to lose money in history, unless there is a reboot
     
    The next Solo movie perhaps, but Star Wars episode 9 will probably still make money. It could be a movie that just had Chewbacca making a noise the entire time and it would still make hundreds of millions (and many of the critics would defend this as wonderful). It is like when the new Ghostbusters came out, many of fans of the old movie still paid to watch it regardless of how many of the warning signs there were, personally I will never again pay a cent for any Star Wars movie, but I know some that will still want to go watch Star Wars even if they are the type that have admitted to me about just how SJWized it has become.
    , @Ivy
    A prior generation made the jump to hyperspace.
    The noobs can't manage hymenspace.
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  11. Last Jedi stunk. Only 49% of US audiences liked it compared to 59% of US audiences who liked the roundly panned Phantom Menace. And Chinese audiences weren’t amused, either: the 2nd week box office take in China was 95% lower! Evelyn Wang mentioned only the critics RT because it suited her SJW narrative.

    Essentially, by making this turd of a sequel, Disney sacrificed any credibility they earned by doing a pretty good Star Wars soft reboot, The Force Awakens, and euthanized the Star Wars franchise by defrauding a billion dollars from fans who were expecting something much better.

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    • Replies: @whorefinder

    , Disney sacrificed any credibility they earned by doing a pretty good Star Wars soft reboot, The Force Awakens
     
    The Force Awakens was awful, not pretty good. People have realized this in retrospect. At the time, all the fan service (Han! Leia! Luke! Chewy! Millenium Falcon!) and the very familiar plot (hero's journey to be a Jedi) and good space battles distracted folks from the horrendous Mary Sue main character, plot that made no sense, and lack of quotable dialog. But then on reviews every Star Wars fan realized it was far worse than they remembered. And some noticed that The Force Awakens basically wiped away all the accomplishments of the first three movies, putting everyone right back where they were at the start of a New Hope, negating all the sacrifice and hard work.

    Check out YouTube for retrospective reviews of The Force Awakens and, many months later, actual Star Wars fans will admit it wasn't good. Heck, even the Mr. Plinkett folks gave it a decent thumbs up on first viewing only to downgrade their review later.

    Most fans were willing to give it a pass, ultimately, because it was a reboot and the the fans needed to be serviced, but only if the next film (The Last Jedi) built something on it. Instead, the Last Jedi was awful, and continued the theme of negating and wiping out the entire Star Wars universe for no reason.
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  12. The only female “To Kill A Mockingbird” would be great.

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  13. @PiltdownMan
    Since it was men, in fact, who took the creative initiative to do both edits and squared off to do battle with their video clips, it appears that Evelyn Wang at Glamour is simply content to play the part of the ululating lady for the second man, Logan Smith.

    The men-edited-out “Schindler’s List” is fantastic!!!

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    • Replies: @guest
    Makes you wonder why blood is always spontaneously spraying out of their heads, however.
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  14. Also, as many people are pointing out, Glamour magazine is literally celebrating the erasing of all actual men dying fighting against actual Nazis because someone edited out the parts of a space-fantasy movie where women were condescending to men, but kept them in when they treated others with respect.

    Glamour magazine just spit on the graves of actual Nazi killers simply because they were men. Let that sink in.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I suspect Ms. Chang at Glamour isn't quite serious.
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  15. Let us recall at this juncture that the medium is the message.

    The saccharin sentimentality of Saving Private Ryan is enough to make the whole thing a womany movie to begin with. It doesn’t matter how many men are on the screen; it isn’t a story about men. It’s a story about relationships wherein groups of soldiers play the parts that in an ordinary romantic movie are assigned to individuals. It’s basically a chic-flick executed in a medium of guns a violence.

    But at least Steven Spielberg can tell a decent story, sentimentality aside. Star Wars: TLJ is not even a story at all. It isn’t a movie about women, it is an assertion made by women, which is much worse. It is correspondingly artless, tactless, insensible of context, directionless, and seeking only its own gratification.

    The point of an ordinary movie is to place the viewer within a discourse so that it can exert its influences. The medium, in that case, remains largely in the background and with good reason: a too-obtrusive medium would be self-deconstructive. But the point of these feminist assertions is to make you watch them. The medium here is the entire message, bald-faced and bludgeonly. The woman says “Watch my movie” with the same implacable intensity with which she says “Listen to me,” “Look at may makeup,” or “Check out my ass.” So intent is she upon forcing this impression upon you that she outstrips her own creation. Her will bleeds through the screen until only she stands before you.

    Since the movie in this case is merely an extension, a metaphor, a synecdoche for the woman herself, one can only treat it as one would treat a woman in like circumstances, i.e. by ignoring her and reminding her that the pimp hand will fly if she persists in this vein, which indeed seems to be what has happened here if you judge by the complaints about the movie and the rapid falloff in attendance. Women only lose when they assert themselves like this, but it is an unfortunate and ubiquitous sign of the times that they do so now everywhere and with impunity.

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    • Replies: @Cortes
    I haven’t seen the movie but your interesting take on it rings very true. It’s seemed to me for a couple of decades that storytelling has been ditched in favour of product placement in Hollywood. A good example, because so obvious, has been cigarette promotion at a time of falling demand, with umpteen movies (and top rated TV shows featuring lead actors toying with their cancer sticks rather than smoking them, just so they get screen time. The pushing of female leads and storylines in Star Wars is the same process (and only marginally less toxic.)
    , @Bitfu
    That's a great comment. Very well done.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    With all respect to your great ideas and commentary, I.D., I don't agree. It's a nice theory, but if Saving Private Ryan is a chick-flick, then things (like, for instance, chicks) have really, really changed. Maybe I should go watch The Bridges of Madison Country and see if there are any machine guns it it - it's got Clint Eastwood in it right? "Make my day, ladies!" "In all the confusion, you've gotta ask yourself one question - did your feelings get hurt 5 times, or 6? Do you feel that this is your non-moody time of the month? Well, do ya', honey?"
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  16. @Lurker
    Someone should go one further and make a film editing out all male influences.

    Saving Private Ryan with no men and with no planes, tanks, guns, barbed wire etc.

    But more of an issue - no film, no cameras, no sound, no way to view to view the movie and thus no movie for snowflakes to complain about.

    Take it to the logical conclusion: all the women wasting away from lack of protein and eventually dying off due to lack of procreation.

    Then again, this is probably the ideal vision of Earth for these types since they are likely also radical “environmentalists” who believe Man is a disease upon this planet.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Your 'logic' is exactly the same as the immigration fanatics who claim that you're either opposed to all immigration always and everywhere, or you have to be in favor of hundreds of millions of third-world dross infecting your country. No middle ground--nothing even close. Have fun.
    , @SteveRogers42
    T-Man!

    OT -- but have you seen this?

    https://www.reddit.com/r/judo/comments/7rwb24/street_ippon/

    The Kameroon Kids ride again!
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  17. I’m at a loss for the point. Is the point that there are a lot of movies about men, so let us have Star Wars?

    Why don’t they go make their own chick cinematic universes nobody cares about. Or another Sex and the City movie.

    Are we still pretending most entertainment (that isn’t video games) isn’t made for women, the relative sit around and do nothing gender. Just like novels before them, t.v. and movies are mostly made for chicks and men who are chicks at heart. A fact which is obscured by useless thinking like that behind the pointless “Bechdel Test.”

    Hey, guess what, women enjoy men acting like men, too. Which is why Grrl Power shall destroy Star Wars, and Boy Power made it great.

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  18. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5299407/Steven-Soderbergh-fears-men-stop-hiring-women.html

    Director Steven soderbergh of Oceans 11 fame is saying what I predicted about 2 months ago….men will cut back how many women they hire because “they talk”….

    Think about it too if you’re an insurance company…..if EVERY FEMALE EMPLOYEE is a potential liability risk of MILLIONS or more….. recall Weinstein as I noted cobbled together like 14 banks, all random into securing his firm half a billion dollars in credit lines. His company for all it’s faults was 1 of the most successful in Hollywood….

    If it can self immolate from a billion dollars valuation to bankruptcy in WEEKS based on tabloid soap opera scuttlebutt rumormill then NOBODY IS SAFE to do business…. and if NDAs in contracts are not enough to keep things quiet…. well no company can or will put on productions w/o some kind of liability insurance and the insurance companies won’t insure blatant risks….the number of bigstudio productions is about to crash & as Steven points out…. women will find it much harder to get employment in the private sector….

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    • Replies: @eD
    "Director Steven soderbergh of Oceans 11 fame is saying what I predicted about 2 months ago….men will cut back how many women they hire because “they talk”…."

    One of the interesting things about this is that we are starting to find out why women were not a big presence in the workforce in the first place.
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  19. @Twinkie
    Take it to the logical conclusion: all the women wasting away from lack of protein and eventually dying off due to lack of procreation.

    Then again, this is probably the ideal vision of Earth for these types since they are likely also radical "environmentalists" who believe Man is a disease upon this planet.

    Your ‘logic’ is exactly the same as the immigration fanatics who claim that you’re either opposed to all immigration always and everywhere, or you have to be in favor of hundreds of millions of third-world dross infecting your country. No middle ground–nothing even close. Have fun.

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    • Replies: @anon
    Come off it. I think he was just having some fun.
    , @bomag

    Your ‘logic’ is exactly the same as the...
     
    Well, sometimes you have to be radical to fight a radical.

    Traditionalists have compromised on almost every issue, and it has bought them nothing. Politics keeps ratcheting leftward.

    Our opponents have a definite schizo nature: they want to erase maleness, but insist on more problem solving uniquely carried on by maleness; I've argued with plenty of environmentalists who insist on a lighter human footprint on nature while immediately toggling over to demanding that we import, care for, and feed, the Third World.
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  20. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey
    This reminds me of the kerfuffle over the "journalist" who griped that Dunkirk was sexist (no men) but that Wonder Woman was just the bestest movie ever. Fake Greek goddess fighting fake battles: awesome. Real men saving the West from Nazism: sexist.

    Let's make a documentary of World War II editing out all the soldiers fighting the Nazis. That'll be fun.

    Oh you say, all the Nazis were all men, too? Okay, let's make a documentary editing out all the men involved in finding a cure for cancer. That one would be pretty damn short, too.

    I watched a bit of Wonder Woman. My wife watched all of it. Big Afro-Americans scattered into the crowd of Amazons. I was surprised at how cheesy the production values are. The Amazons’ helmet thingies seemed to be made of cardboard. I looked up the claimed production costs which were an astounding $150 million (probably exaggerated) with receipts of $800 million. The Titanic movie by contrast, in 1997, had production costs of $200 million which included paying for 3/4 size Titanic set and a tank holding 350,000 gallons of water for the final scene.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    James Cameron's "Titanic" set on a cliff in Baja California was one of the more memorable sites of my life. I had just found out I had cancer and was feeling pretty low. It's not too logical, but I sort of got the impression that if Cameron could build the Titanic on a cliff in Mexico, I might just be able to beat cancer.
    , @AndrewR
    Wow a tank half the size of a swimming pool that must have cost so much
    , @Yngvar

    paying for 3/4 size Titanic
     
    It was full size, 1:1.
    , @Alden
    A lot of production costs go to the bank accounts of the producers instead of the production.
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  21. I think it would be even funnier if someone edited men from cinephiles’ much-worshipped Citizen Kane.

    On the other hand, editing blacks out of every episode of Law & Order and its spinoffs would leave those several hundreds of episodes pretty much intact, with all their Always-The-Evil-Privileged-White-Bad-Guys still in your face.

    A step further, you say? How about editing from TV programming all the commercials showing blacks, and you’d enjoy very, very short commercial breaks and a hell of a lot more actual programming.

    A step even further, you say? How about editing blacks out of NBA, NFL, and MLB games. The only thing left would be the commercials.

    Even further still, you say! Edit Democrats out of newscasts and public affairs programs, and you’d be left with a normal, actual United States.

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    • Replies: @Bugg
    Would have to cut out all the courtroom scenes on "L&O" since every trial features either a female black attorney or a black judge. Given the NYC Dem clubhouse stranglehold on the bench, the black female judge part is actually very accurate.
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  22. Heh. Let’s not forget Master and Commander with it’s 10 seconds of the proto-Sailor wanna hump-hump bar.

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    • Replies: @guest
    If we're merely editing out men, we can keep in waves, ships, and things going "boom!" Plus, beetles, lizards and such.

    By the way, I happened to be watching that movie, and never paid close attention to the naturalist doctor character, who I thought represented intellectual pacifism. Is the message about him visiting the Galapagos Islands that we would've discovered evolution half a century earlier if it weren't for stupid war?
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  23. @Anonymous
    I watched a bit of Wonder Woman. My wife watched all of it. Big Afro-Americans scattered into the crowd of Amazons. I was surprised at how cheesy the production values are. The Amazons' helmet thingies seemed to be made of cardboard. I looked up the claimed production costs which were an astounding $150 million (probably exaggerated) with receipts of $800 million. The Titanic movie by contrast, in 1997, had production costs of $200 million which included paying for 3/4 size Titanic set and a tank holding 350,000 gallons of water for the final scene.

    James Cameron’s “Titanic” set on a cliff in Baja California was one of the more memorable sites of my life. I had just found out I had cancer and was feeling pretty low. It’s not too logical, but I sort of got the impression that if Cameron could build the Titanic on a cliff in Mexico, I might just be able to beat cancer.

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    • Agree: Percy Gryce
    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    You don't beat cancer ... you just buy more time.

    6-year survivor.
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  24. http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/22/media/netflix-kevin-spacey-cost/index.html

    Another example….not making a judgement of the situation….just saying…. social media witch hunts are expensive and a huge liability…

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  25. @whorefinder
    Also, as many people are pointing out, Glamour magazine is literally celebrating the erasing of all actual men dying fighting against actual Nazis because someone edited out the parts of a space-fantasy movie where women were condescending to men, but kept them in when they treated others with respect.

    Glamour magazine just spit on the graves of actual Nazi killers simply because they were men. Let that sink in.

    I suspect Ms. Chang at Glamour isn’t quite serious.

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  26. Star Wars: The Last Jedi, as everyone knows, is a cinematic marvel.

    Proof that SJW always double down and are incapable of ever admitting to being wrong. Star Wars has an enormous latent fan base that can produce big movie numbers no matter what kind of movie was released, but that latent power is not forever, with each new Star Wars that fan base latency is being gradually eroded away. Wang should look at her fellow Chinese and how they could clearly see that is was objectively not a good movie, since they have no loyalty to Star Wars and regard it as a movie like any other.

    With Disney pumping out Star Wars movies like it was a sausage factory, I would be very surprised if the upcoming Han Solo movie is a success. Even the most loyal Star Wars fan is going to come to the realization that Star Wars is now just a hard leftist propaganda effort and that any connection it had to the past movies has been completely severed.

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    "Star Wars: The Last Jedi, as everyone knows, is a cinematic marvel."

    Ms. Wang sounds like she's being facetious.

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  27. @Anonymous
    Your 'logic' is exactly the same as the immigration fanatics who claim that you're either opposed to all immigration always and everywhere, or you have to be in favor of hundreds of millions of third-world dross infecting your country. No middle ground--nothing even close. Have fun.

    Come off it. I think he was just having some fun.

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  28. @neutral

    Star Wars: The Last Jedi, as everyone knows, is a cinematic marvel.
     
    Proof that SJW always double down and are incapable of ever admitting to being wrong. Star Wars has an enormous latent fan base that can produce big movie numbers no matter what kind of movie was released, but that latent power is not forever, with each new Star Wars that fan base latency is being gradually eroded away. Wang should look at her fellow Chinese and how they could clearly see that is was objectively not a good movie, since they have no loyalty to Star Wars and regard it as a movie like any other.

    With Disney pumping out Star Wars movies like it was a sausage factory, I would be very surprised if the upcoming Han Solo movie is a success. Even the most loyal Star Wars fan is going to come to the realization that Star Wars is now just a hard leftist propaganda effort and that any connection it had to the past movies has been completely severed.

    “Star Wars: The Last Jedi, as everyone knows, is a cinematic marvel.”

    Ms. Wang sounds like she’s being facetious.

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    But she presents scientific evidence: a Rotten Tomato score and relative box office success. Rather than being flippant, she's pushing a Narrative. One which includes humor (at the expense of menfolk), but is deadly serious about Last Jedi not sucking.
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  29. OT Something is happening at 4chan
    4chan gets raided, shut down, exploited, spammed, and messed up all the time. This is different. Around midnight posting became impossible (“connection error”), and people who were able to post could not post images. Posting remained possible on /pol/ but not other boards, leading to rumors that /pol/ users are somehow identified and blocked. There are fears of a mass doxxing tomorrow or soon. But I’d rather be lurking, a basemented otak among centipedes, facing a long load time and hard k’s’posting, than to be the richest citizen of the Empire, as fat with food he didn’t work for as that fat-head jPod, and like him surrounded by fake twitter followers.

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  30. @anon
    The men-edited-out “Schindler’s List” is fantastic!!!

    Makes you wonder why blood is always spontaneously spraying out of their heads, however.

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  31. @Neoconned
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5299407/Steven-Soderbergh-fears-men-stop-hiring-women.html

    Director Steven soderbergh of Oceans 11 fame is saying what I predicted about 2 months ago....men will cut back how many women they hire because "they talk"....

    Think about it too if you're an insurance company.....if EVERY FEMALE EMPLOYEE is a potential liability risk of MILLIONS or more..... recall Weinstein as I noted cobbled together like 14 banks, all random into securing his firm half a billion dollars in credit lines. His company for all it's faults was 1 of the most successful in Hollywood....

    If it can self immolate from a billion dollars valuation to bankruptcy in WEEKS based on tabloid soap opera scuttlebutt rumormill then NOBODY IS SAFE to do business.... and if NDAs in contracts are not enough to keep things quiet.... well no company can or will put on productions w/o some kind of liability insurance and the insurance companies won't insure blatant risks....the number of bigstudio productions is about to crash & as Steven points out.... women will find it much harder to get employment in the private sector....

    “Director Steven soderbergh of Oceans 11 fame is saying what I predicted about 2 months ago….men will cut back how many women they hire because “they talk”….”

    One of the interesting things about this is that we are starting to find out why women were not a big presence in the workforce in the first place.

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    Maybe as some here have said, it goes in cycles.

    After Prohibition it seems women took a back seat for the next five odd decades....
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  32. @Steve Sailer
    "Star Wars: The Last Jedi, as everyone knows, is a cinematic marvel."

    Ms. Wang sounds like she's being facetious.

    But she presents scientific evidence: a Rotten Tomato score and relative box office success. Rather than being flippant, she’s pushing a Narrative. One which includes humor (at the expense of menfolk), but is deadly serious about Last Jedi not sucking.

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  33. @whorefinder
    I read this somewhere else online:

    The de-feminised The Last Jedi is the trigger that keeps on triggering.


    It's so hilariously obvious the feminazis are massively bothered by the fact that their preachfest/diversity lecture is being raked over the coals by everyone not a Marxist or paid off by Disney to like it. They are responding with massive force to counter it, writing as many twitter posts and blog articles and newspaper blurbs as possible.

    It really reminds me a lot of how much of a defense the feminazis ran on the Girlbusters debacle. They were flipping out when people called the trailer bad, and so many of them were claiming it was a "brilliant comedy" when it came out. One fat feminazi "activist" bragged about going to the theater dressed in a ghostbuster outfit (plus sized) on opening day to show her solidarity.

    And yet they fooled no one. It flopped. Hard.

    Sony's entire planned Ghostbusters Extended Universe (yes, they planned one like Marvel's Superhero one) was killed ab initio, Paul Feig permanently blackened his name with both money-conscious producers and male comedy fans, Leslie Jones had to retreat and run home from Twitter after a gay many ripped her work apart, and, most pathetically, Saturday Night Live despite the movie starring two then-current SNL players (Jones, Kate McKinnon), a lauded SNL-veteran (Kristen Wiig), and a comedienne who was very friendly with the SNL crew and multiple appearances (Melissa McCarthy)---well, SNL didn't even have the guts to make fun of the flop or mention it.

    It's quite amusing how in-denial the SJWs are that, in only two films, they've managed to do what George Lucas couldn't with the prequels : they've killed the franchise. The drop in sales from The Force Awakens to The Last Jedi was horrendous, and the foreign drop in China was cataclysmic. The next movie will likely be the first Star Wars movie/TV show/video game to lose money in history, unless there is a reboot or, somehow, there is a massive overhaul by a masculine director who changes everything around in one fell swoop.

    The next movie will likely be the first Star Wars movie/TV show/video game to lose money in history, unless there is a reboot

    The next Solo movie perhaps, but Star Wars episode 9 will probably still make money. It could be a movie that just had Chewbacca making a noise the entire time and it would still make hundreds of millions (and many of the critics would defend this as wonderful). It is like when the new Ghostbusters came out, many of fans of the old movie still paid to watch it regardless of how many of the warning signs there were, personally I will never again pay a cent for any Star Wars movie, but I know some that will still want to go watch Star Wars even if they are the type that have admitted to me about just how SJWized it has become.

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    Don't be silly. Girlbusters lost money--it was a certified flop for Sony. Don't be fooled by the huge numbers, combine regular film budget + marketing budget (always the same as the regular budget) + the investment Sony made in planning a universe= lost money. Killed an entire wing of the studio.

    Those folks who will go to Star Wars as hardcore fans no matter what can't make up for the casual fans and straight white males now turned off by the man-hating, white-hating franchise. Not with the huge budgets these films run up and the investment by Disney needed to pay off buying this franchise.

    Bank on it; the next Star Wars movie will be a money loser, the first ever.
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  34. @Portlander
    Heh. Let's not forget Master and Commander with it's 10 seconds of the proto-Sailor wanna hump-hump bar.

    If we’re merely editing out men, we can keep in waves, ships, and things going “boom!” Plus, beetles, lizards and such.

    By the way, I happened to be watching that movie, and never paid close attention to the naturalist doctor character, who I thought represented intellectual pacifism. Is the message about him visiting the Galapagos Islands that we would’ve discovered evolution half a century earlier if it weren’t for stupid war?

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    It's a cool little bit in "Master and Commander" that Dr. Maturin in the Galapagos is on the verge of figuring out what Darwin figured out decades later but then gets distracted.

    Several British thinkers came up with all or part of natural selection before Darwin but didn't push it enough. It was kind of In the Air.

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    Coincidentally, we Calvinists just watched 'Master and Commander' for the first time this past weekend. I've read several of the Patrick O'Brien novels on which it's based, but somehow had never gotten around to watching the movie. Anyway, it's superb.

    I don't think Stephen Maturin (the doctor character) is supposed to be a pacifist exactly; he's just not interested in martial prowess, and sees all the politicking and fighting to be unfortunate distractions from his real interest, i.e. piling up knowledge. He does fight in the climactic scene, although he's shown as being eager to get rid of his sword as quickly as it's feasible to do so.

    In some ways the most interesting character in the movie is the (very) young Lord Blakeney, who represents a fusion of the martial and the scientific.

    , @Ben Kurtz
    "Is the message about him visiting the Galapagos Islands that we would’ve discovered evolution half a century earlier if it weren’t for stupid war?"

    I think it's more subtle than that. If it weren't for the stupid war, he never would have gotten anywhere near the Galapagos Islands to begin with.

    Also, in the book series, we eventually learn that the doctor is also a British spy or intelligence agent. This only gets the barest hint in the movie in one or two minor lines. They were probably saving that for the sequel which never came.
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  35. @guest
    If we're merely editing out men, we can keep in waves, ships, and things going "boom!" Plus, beetles, lizards and such.

    By the way, I happened to be watching that movie, and never paid close attention to the naturalist doctor character, who I thought represented intellectual pacifism. Is the message about him visiting the Galapagos Islands that we would've discovered evolution half a century earlier if it weren't for stupid war?

    It’s a cool little bit in “Master and Commander” that Dr. Maturin in the Galapagos is on the verge of figuring out what Darwin figured out decades later but then gets distracted.

    Several British thinkers came up with all or part of natural selection before Darwin but didn’t push it enough. It was kind of In the Air.

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    Yes, that was a really good part (And the Real World works that way, too.)

    The improbable takeover of a largish french (Huh? Should be amercian, right? No matter!) ship by dirty english trickery not so much. That english frigate doesn't look like a whaler at all.

    Back to the article.

    > Writer penning stuff a 14-year old female would find of eminent interest.

    Why.
    , @PiltdownMan
    There are a couple of really cool touches in the script of that movie, such as when Capt. Jack Aubrey admires a the wooden model of the hull of a ship and remarks "What fascinating modern times we live in!"
    , @J.Ross
    There was a guy who pretty much came up with it at the same time, and Darwin actually wrote him and asked, as a gentleman, if he'd recognize Darwin's prior claim and just sit on it. The guy said yes. It was a different time. Although Darwin walked into that by agonizing over his findings rather than publishing something right away.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    That was a movie that badly deserved a sequel.
    , @Mr. Anon
    Master and Commander was one of the most unabashedly traditional, pro white-male, pro western-civilization movies made in the last thirty years, and it was a remarkably well-made, stunningly filmed movie. I made a point of seeing it in the theater when it came out and I'm glad I did. It wasn't a big hit. Some movies develop a big following on DVD (or now, on web services), though never making it big in the theaters, like The Shawshank Redemption. Is Master and Commander like that, I wonder.
    , @Anon87
    Speaking of Darwin, did you ever read The Kingdom of Speech? I don't recall you commenting on that.
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  36. @Declane
    "My grandmother cooked rice, my mother cooked rice, I write articles about the patriarchy, my daughter will write articles about the patriarchy, but her daughter will cook rice." - Evelyn Wang, probably

    “My grandmother enjoyed shlong ,my mother enjoyed shlong…”

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    I’m guessing you’re not a “Father” of the clerical variety.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    LOL - both of y'all. Sounds like classic Zerohedge commentary.

    .

    Edit - All 3 of y'all - including Escher now.

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  37. @Steve Sailer
    It's a cool little bit in "Master and Commander" that Dr. Maturin in the Galapagos is on the verge of figuring out what Darwin figured out decades later but then gets distracted.

    Several British thinkers came up with all or part of natural selection before Darwin but didn't push it enough. It was kind of In the Air.

    Yes, that was a really good part (And the Real World works that way, too.)

    The improbable takeover of a largish french (Huh? Should be amercian, right? No matter!) ship by dirty english trickery not so much. That english frigate doesn’t look like a whaler at all.

    Back to the article.

    > Writer penning stuff a 14-year old female would find of eminent interest.

    Why.

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  38. @Steve Sailer
    It's a cool little bit in "Master and Commander" that Dr. Maturin in the Galapagos is on the verge of figuring out what Darwin figured out decades later but then gets distracted.

    Several British thinkers came up with all or part of natural selection before Darwin but didn't push it enough. It was kind of In the Air.

    There are a couple of really cool touches in the script of that movie, such as when Capt. Jack Aubrey admires a the wooden model of the hull of a ship and remarks “What fascinating modern times we live in!”

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  39. @guest
    If we're merely editing out men, we can keep in waves, ships, and things going "boom!" Plus, beetles, lizards and such.

    By the way, I happened to be watching that movie, and never paid close attention to the naturalist doctor character, who I thought represented intellectual pacifism. Is the message about him visiting the Galapagos Islands that we would've discovered evolution half a century earlier if it weren't for stupid war?

    Coincidentally, we Calvinists just watched ‘Master and Commander’ for the first time this past weekend. I’ve read several of the Patrick O’Brien novels on which it’s based, but somehow had never gotten around to watching the movie. Anyway, it’s superb.

    I don’t think Stephen Maturin (the doctor character) is supposed to be a pacifist exactly; he’s just not interested in martial prowess, and sees all the politicking and fighting to be unfortunate distractions from his real interest, i.e. piling up knowledge. He does fight in the climactic scene, although he’s shown as being eager to get rid of his sword as quickly as it’s feasible to do so.

    In some ways the most interesting character in the movie is the (very) young Lord Blakeney, who represents a fusion of the martial and the scientific.

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  40. @eD
    "Director Steven soderbergh of Oceans 11 fame is saying what I predicted about 2 months ago….men will cut back how many women they hire because “they talk”…."

    One of the interesting things about this is that we are starting to find out why women were not a big presence in the workforce in the first place.

    Maybe as some here have said, it goes in cycles.

    After Prohibition it seems women took a back seat for the next five odd decades….

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  41. Edited-down version of Master and Commander: nothing.

    I had initially supposed that it would be 10 seconds of a wide shot of a ship sailing into the distance (the very last shot), followed by the credits, but then I realized even that would be problematic on a strict reading of the rule: the Boccherini music playing over the final shot and credits is (a) composed by a man and (b) diegetically sourced from men – the captain and the doctor are portrayed as sitting down with their violin and cello in the captain’s cabin and starting to play that piece right before the shot pulls back.

    Edit: a couple other people here mention this film. Let me go on the record as a big fan. I had always figured it was a shame that it never took off into a franchise, but seeing what happens to beloved franchises in Current Year, I’m now a little happy that the property is beyond harm.

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    "Master and Commander" was a little too good for its own box office good. It was aimed at the middle-age 3-digit guys who like the books, and did a good job of satisfying them, while going over the head of the mass market.

    Sea movies tend to be expensive to make (e.g., Waterworld), and while M and C did decent box office business, it was not enough to justify a sequel.

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  42. @Ben Kurtz
    Edited-down version of Master and Commander: nothing.

    I had initially supposed that it would be 10 seconds of a wide shot of a ship sailing into the distance (the very last shot), followed by the credits, but then I realized even that would be problematic on a strict reading of the rule: the Boccherini music playing over the final shot and credits is (a) composed by a man and (b) diegetically sourced from men - the captain and the doctor are portrayed as sitting down with their violin and cello in the captain's cabin and starting to play that piece right before the shot pulls back.

    Edit: a couple other people here mention this film. Let me go on the record as a big fan. I had always figured it was a shame that it never took off into a franchise, but seeing what happens to beloved franchises in Current Year, I'm now a little happy that the property is beyond harm.

    “Master and Commander” was a little too good for its own box office good. It was aimed at the middle-age 3-digit guys who like the books, and did a good job of satisfying them, while going over the head of the mass market.

    Sea movies tend to be expensive to make (e.g., Waterworld), and while M and C did decent box office business, it was not enough to justify a sequel.

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    It also used elements of three of the novels. The finest parts of the books for me are the vignettes displaying the eerie similarities of human interaction across the ages with the weirdness of that age in our modern view. Scenes like those involving the various jinxes, for example the Death Eater or the accidental near destruction of the Hand of Glory and the narwhal horn could be translated to adventures ashore.
    , @Prof. Woland
    One reason I like Russell Crowe movies is that his roles are interesting to men over 45. A Roman General or a British Naval Captain are things I can relate to much more than a superhero film and they are much more convincing when they are not played by a 32 year old heart throb. He is more masculine than pretty so he has more gravitas than say a Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt who were more handsome / boyish and still emit that feel even though they are now older.
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  43. Saving Private Ryan is vastly overrated anyway. Watched bits and pieces of it when it is on TV, but never bothered with watching the whole thing.

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    You missed nothing. But watch the Turkish film The Breath if you can, it's the best depiction of combat on film.
    , @The King is A Fink
    Agreed. The first half hour or so is hard to beat though. The rest is filled with a lot of nonsense that makes little sense to the historically minded.

    The Thin Red Line is one of my favourite war films, but it takes a second viewing for it to sink in.
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  44. @Intelligent Dasein
    Let us recall at this juncture that the medium is the message.

    The saccharin sentimentality of Saving Private Ryan is enough to make the whole thing a womany movie to begin with. It doesn't matter how many men are on the screen; it isn't a story about men. It's a story about relationships wherein groups of soldiers play the parts that in an ordinary romantic movie are assigned to individuals. It's basically a chic-flick executed in a medium of guns a violence.

    But at least Steven Spielberg can tell a decent story, sentimentality aside. Star Wars: TLJ is not even a story at all. It isn't a movie about women, it is an assertion made by women, which is much worse. It is correspondingly artless, tactless, insensible of context, directionless, and seeking only its own gratification.

    The point of an ordinary movie is to place the viewer within a discourse so that it can exert its influences. The medium, in that case, remains largely in the background and with good reason: a too-obtrusive medium would be self-deconstructive. But the point of these feminist assertions is to make you watch them. The medium here is the entire message, bald-faced and bludgeonly. The woman says "Watch my movie" with the same implacable intensity with which she says "Listen to me," "Look at may makeup," or "Check out my ass." So intent is she upon forcing this impression upon you that she outstrips her own creation. Her will bleeds through the screen until only she stands before you.

    Since the movie in this case is merely an extension, a metaphor, a synecdoche for the woman herself, one can only treat it as one would treat a woman in like circumstances, i.e. by ignoring her and reminding her that the pimp hand will fly if she persists in this vein, which indeed seems to be what has happened here if you judge by the complaints about the movie and the rapid falloff in attendance. Women only lose when they assert themselves like this, but it is an unfortunate and ubiquitous sign of the times that they do so now everywhere and with impunity.

    I haven’t seen the movie but your interesting take on it rings very true. It’s seemed to me for a couple of decades that storytelling has been ditched in favour of product placement in Hollywood. A good example, because so obvious, has been cigarette promotion at a time of falling demand, with umpteen movies (and top rated TV shows featuring lead actors toying with their cancer sticks rather than smoking them, just so they get screen time. The pushing of female leads and storylines in Star Wars is the same process (and only marginally less toxic.)

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    Any examples of movies where the actors are toying with cigarettes?
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  45. @guest
    If we're merely editing out men, we can keep in waves, ships, and things going "boom!" Plus, beetles, lizards and such.

    By the way, I happened to be watching that movie, and never paid close attention to the naturalist doctor character, who I thought represented intellectual pacifism. Is the message about him visiting the Galapagos Islands that we would've discovered evolution half a century earlier if it weren't for stupid war?

    “Is the message about him visiting the Galapagos Islands that we would’ve discovered evolution half a century earlier if it weren’t for stupid war?”

    I think it’s more subtle than that. If it weren’t for the stupid war, he never would have gotten anywhere near the Galapagos Islands to begin with.

    Also, in the book series, we eventually learn that the doctor is also a British spy or intelligence agent. This only gets the barest hint in the movie in one or two minor lines. They were probably saving that for the sequel which never came.

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  46. @Steve Sailer
    It's a cool little bit in "Master and Commander" that Dr. Maturin in the Galapagos is on the verge of figuring out what Darwin figured out decades later but then gets distracted.

    Several British thinkers came up with all or part of natural selection before Darwin but didn't push it enough. It was kind of In the Air.

    There was a guy who pretty much came up with it at the same time, and Darwin actually wrote him and asked, as a gentleman, if he’d recognize Darwin’s prior claim and just sit on it. The guy said yes. It was a different time. Although Darwin walked into that by agonizing over his findings rather than publishing something right away.

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    Alfred Russel Wallace; they co-published their papers. He also believed the brain couldn't be explained by evolution and so was proof of God's design. Not surprisingly he doesn't get brought up alot.
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  47. @LondonBob
    Saving Private Ryan is vastly overrated anyway. Watched bits and pieces of it when it is on TV, but never bothered with watching the whole thing.

    You missed nothing. But watch the Turkish film The Breath if you can, it’s the best depiction of combat on film.

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    "Breath" looks excellent. Thanks for the recommendation.
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  48. @Steve Sailer
    "Master and Commander" was a little too good for its own box office good. It was aimed at the middle-age 3-digit guys who like the books, and did a good job of satisfying them, while going over the head of the mass market.

    Sea movies tend to be expensive to make (e.g., Waterworld), and while M and C did decent box office business, it was not enough to justify a sequel.

    It also used elements of three of the novels. The finest parts of the books for me are the vignettes displaying the eerie similarities of human interaction across the ages with the weirdness of that age in our modern view. Scenes like those involving the various jinxes, for example the Death Eater or the accidental near destruction of the Hand of Glory and the narwhal horn could be translated to adventures ashore.

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  49. There was a book late in the series where Aubrey and Maturin are taken prisoner by naked, athletic, shark-hunting Polynesian Amazons who appear to have killed or exhausted their own men. I’m sure SJWs would have loved it. That, the Fenian code, and Aubrey not knowing how to negotiate with Orientals because he’s so honest are the main things I remember (read the series a long time ago).

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  50. Twitter user Logan Smith, however, was not content letting it end there. Smith, who’s also behind the Twitter project @YesYoureRacist, took things one step further and applied the same flawed logic to Saving Private Ryan. “In response to the MRA douche who edited all the women out of #TheLastJedi,” he wrote, “I decided to edit all of the men out of Saving Private Ryan. Here it is in its entirety.”

    Am I the only one who thinks this is a parody account and these people don’t get the joke? Everything about it screams a parody to anyone but a true believer.

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    It's not impossible that a fashion magazine writer finds doctrinaire feminism pretty funny.
    , @guest
    "Everything about it screams parody to anyone but a true believer"

    Yeah, but feminism is like that.
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  51. @LondonBob
    Saving Private Ryan is vastly overrated anyway. Watched bits and pieces of it when it is on TV, but never bothered with watching the whole thing.

    Agreed. The first half hour or so is hard to beat though. The rest is filled with a lot of nonsense that makes little sense to the historically minded.

    The Thin Red Line is one of my favourite war films, but it takes a second viewing for it to sink in.

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  52. @Altai

    Twitter user Logan Smith, however, was not content letting it end there. Smith, who’s also behind the Twitter project @YesYoureRacist, took things one step further and applied the same flawed logic to Saving Private Ryan. “In response to the MRA douche who edited all the women out of #TheLastJedi,” he wrote, “I decided to edit all of the men out of Saving Private Ryan. Here it is in its entirety.”
     
    Am I the only one who thinks this is a parody account and these people don't get the joke? Everything about it screams a parody to anyone but a true believer.

    It’s not impossible that a fashion magazine writer finds doctrinaire feminism pretty funny.

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    I can't accept this because they have already demonstrated a lack of irony and self-awareness a million times over. What's incredible or inconsistent about this living joke that was missing from the white person wearing clothes printed with "f&#$ white people," or slut walking, or all the other times they made us ask if they were serious?
    , @CAL2
    No, the magazine article author is serious. She really thinks TLJ is a brilliant piece of film making and that those who do not think so are troglodyte males.

    Yes, TLJ has made money. It killed the last momentum that Star Wars had though. A lot of the fans are going to skip the next one and will simply wait until they can stream it, steal it, or catch it on TV.
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  53. @Steve Sailer
    It's not impossible that a fashion magazine writer finds doctrinaire feminism pretty funny.

    I can’t accept this because they have already demonstrated a lack of irony and self-awareness a million times over. What’s incredible or inconsistent about this living joke that was missing from the white person wearing clothes printed with “f&#$ white people,” or slut walking, or all the other times they made us ask if they were serious?

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  54. What do people on here keep insisting that the Last Jedi was a failure at the box office?
    Doesn’t seem like it:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Last_Jedi#Box_office

    Hasn’t this in fact been a SJW success? Granted, it could merely be that SJWism is hinging it’s ride to a generally competent film that would have flourished without “the message”.

    Didn’t enjoy the last so I haven’t seen the new one myself but know a couple of Star Wars geeks who loved it. Aside from a small(?) backlash among some hardcore fans is there even evidence that the real Star Wars geeks disliked it?

    Would love to see some evidence for this because it seems to be the assumption on here.

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    It wasn't as big a success as as it should have been is the point. I believe they are well down on the last film, which was rubbish but still made big money based on hype, bogus reviews and nostalgia.

    Phantom Menace had a huge box office.

    , @neutral

    Granted, it could merely be that SJWism is hinging it’s ride to a generally competent film that would have flourished without “the message”.
     
    The SJWism is not hinging on a competent film (its not, its badly structured and has poor characters, even non SJW types have said this), it's hinging on the Star Wars franchise. I already mentioned here that it does not matter what they release, there will be a set base that will pay for it no matter what, this base however is not as rock solid as Disney likes to believe after too many body blows (and Disney is going to make an endless amount of Star Wars movies) this base will start shrinking.
    , @The King is A Fink
    The only wikipedia entries I read are purely technical ones. You may as well be using Politico for your news.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_pride

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_pride
     
    , @The Millennial Falcon
    It was not a failure at the box office - Star Wars brand loyalty is still too powerful and they were bringing back Luke Skywalker for the first time in 35 years. Plus they had some positive momentum from the previous releases.

    But it did fall well behind the pace set by the other two new Star Wars. Showed very little legs, which is a sign of poor word-of-mouth and a lack of repeat viewings from the geek set.

    Check out this handy-dandy chart: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=weekend&id=roguevforce.htm

    Opened very strong - fairly close to TFA. By week 2 it had fallen to half of TFA. By week 5, it's weekend take had fallen behind Rogue One.

    Making money off of a new Star Wars is a given - they were happy to pay $4 billion for the brand. But this kind of collapse in momentum is significant. Especially since you only get to bring back Luke once.

    Their marketing for the final chapter is going to be heavily dependent on their new characters, which is where they are weakest. I expect it to fall well short of where they could have reasonably projected after the financial success of TFA.

    I expect them to give a little less rein to the SJW contingent going forward - going full progressive with the sequel may have cost them half a billion in additional profits, not to mention the penalty they'll be absorbing with next movie.
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  55. @Sam
    What do people on here keep insisting that the Last Jedi was a failure at the box office?
    Doesn't seem like it:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Last_Jedi#Box_office

    Hasn't this in fact been a SJW success? Granted, it could merely be that SJWism is hinging it's ride to a generally competent film that would have flourished without "the message".

    Didn't enjoy the last so I haven't seen the new one myself but know a couple of Star Wars geeks who loved it. Aside from a small(?) backlash among some hardcore fans is there even evidence that the real Star Wars geeks disliked it?

    Would love to see some evidence for this because it seems to be the assumption on here.

    It wasn’t as big a success as as it should have been is the point. I believe they are well down on the last film, which was rubbish but still made big money based on hype, bogus reviews and nostalgia.

    Phantom Menace had a huge box office.

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  56. @Sam
    What do people on here keep insisting that the Last Jedi was a failure at the box office?
    Doesn't seem like it:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Last_Jedi#Box_office

    Hasn't this in fact been a SJW success? Granted, it could merely be that SJWism is hinging it's ride to a generally competent film that would have flourished without "the message".

    Didn't enjoy the last so I haven't seen the new one myself but know a couple of Star Wars geeks who loved it. Aside from a small(?) backlash among some hardcore fans is there even evidence that the real Star Wars geeks disliked it?

    Would love to see some evidence for this because it seems to be the assumption on here.

    Granted, it could merely be that SJWism is hinging it’s ride to a generally competent film that would have flourished without “the message”.

    The SJWism is not hinging on a competent film (its not, its badly structured and has poor characters, even non SJW types have said this), it’s hinging on the Star Wars franchise. I already mentioned here that it does not matter what they release, there will be a set base that will pay for it no matter what, this base however is not as rock solid as Disney likes to believe after too many body blows (and Disney is going to make an endless amount of Star Wars movies) this base will start shrinking.

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  57. @Father O'Hara
    "My grandmother enjoyed shlong ,my mother enjoyed shlong..."

    I’m guessing you’re not a “Father” of the clerical variety.

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  58. @Cortes
    I haven’t seen the movie but your interesting take on it rings very true. It’s seemed to me for a couple of decades that storytelling has been ditched in favour of product placement in Hollywood. A good example, because so obvious, has been cigarette promotion at a time of falling demand, with umpteen movies (and top rated TV shows featuring lead actors toying with their cancer sticks rather than smoking them, just so they get screen time. The pushing of female leads and storylines in Star Wars is the same process (and only marginally less toxic.)

    Any examples of movies where the actors are toying with cigarettes?

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    Try the Lethal Weapon series for starters. They’re not difficult to find. The actors often “mug” wildly when doing the placement scenes.
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  59. @Intelligent Dasein
    Let us recall at this juncture that the medium is the message.

    The saccharin sentimentality of Saving Private Ryan is enough to make the whole thing a womany movie to begin with. It doesn't matter how many men are on the screen; it isn't a story about men. It's a story about relationships wherein groups of soldiers play the parts that in an ordinary romantic movie are assigned to individuals. It's basically a chic-flick executed in a medium of guns a violence.

    But at least Steven Spielberg can tell a decent story, sentimentality aside. Star Wars: TLJ is not even a story at all. It isn't a movie about women, it is an assertion made by women, which is much worse. It is correspondingly artless, tactless, insensible of context, directionless, and seeking only its own gratification.

    The point of an ordinary movie is to place the viewer within a discourse so that it can exert its influences. The medium, in that case, remains largely in the background and with good reason: a too-obtrusive medium would be self-deconstructive. But the point of these feminist assertions is to make you watch them. The medium here is the entire message, bald-faced and bludgeonly. The woman says "Watch my movie" with the same implacable intensity with which she says "Listen to me," "Look at may makeup," or "Check out my ass." So intent is she upon forcing this impression upon you that she outstrips her own creation. Her will bleeds through the screen until only she stands before you.

    Since the movie in this case is merely an extension, a metaphor, a synecdoche for the woman herself, one can only treat it as one would treat a woman in like circumstances, i.e. by ignoring her and reminding her that the pimp hand will fly if she persists in this vein, which indeed seems to be what has happened here if you judge by the complaints about the movie and the rapid falloff in attendance. Women only lose when they assert themselves like this, but it is an unfortunate and ubiquitous sign of the times that they do so now everywhere and with impunity.

    That’s a great comment. Very well done.

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  60. @anon
    What ridiculous times we live in.

    The USSR never was any crazier than the US/Anglosphere and EU are now.

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  61. @Anonymous
    Your 'logic' is exactly the same as the immigration fanatics who claim that you're either opposed to all immigration always and everywhere, or you have to be in favor of hundreds of millions of third-world dross infecting your country. No middle ground--nothing even close. Have fun.

    Your ‘logic’ is exactly the same as the…

    Well, sometimes you have to be radical to fight a radical.

    Traditionalists have compromised on almost every issue, and it has bought them nothing. Politics keeps ratcheting leftward.

    Our opponents have a definite schizo nature: they want to erase maleness, but insist on more problem solving uniquely carried on by maleness; I’ve argued with plenty of environmentalists who insist on a lighter human footprint on nature while immediately toggling over to demanding that we import, care for, and feed, the Third World.

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  62. @Sam
    What do people on here keep insisting that the Last Jedi was a failure at the box office?
    Doesn't seem like it:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Last_Jedi#Box_office

    Hasn't this in fact been a SJW success? Granted, it could merely be that SJWism is hinging it's ride to a generally competent film that would have flourished without "the message".

    Didn't enjoy the last so I haven't seen the new one myself but know a couple of Star Wars geeks who loved it. Aside from a small(?) backlash among some hardcore fans is there even evidence that the real Star Wars geeks disliked it?

    Would love to see some evidence for this because it seems to be the assumption on here.

    The only wikipedia entries I read are purely technical ones. You may as well be using Politico for your news.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_pride

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_pride

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  63. @Anonymous
    I watched a bit of Wonder Woman. My wife watched all of it. Big Afro-Americans scattered into the crowd of Amazons. I was surprised at how cheesy the production values are. The Amazons' helmet thingies seemed to be made of cardboard. I looked up the claimed production costs which were an astounding $150 million (probably exaggerated) with receipts of $800 million. The Titanic movie by contrast, in 1997, had production costs of $200 million which included paying for 3/4 size Titanic set and a tank holding 350,000 gallons of water for the final scene.

    Wow a tank half the size of a swimming pool that must have cost so much

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    WTF kind of swimming pools are you familiar with?
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  64. @Wilkey
    This reminds me of the kerfuffle over the "journalist" who griped that Dunkirk was sexist (no men) but that Wonder Woman was just the bestest movie ever. Fake Greek goddess fighting fake battles: awesome. Real men saving the West from Nazism: sexist.

    Let's make a documentary of World War II editing out all the soldiers fighting the Nazis. That'll be fun.

    Oh you say, all the Nazis were all men, too? Okay, let's make a documentary editing out all the men involved in finding a cure for cancer. That one would be pretty damn short, too.

    I watched tried to watch part of “The Dirty Dozen” while staying in Germany on a small B&W TV. Ha! All the uniforms looked the same, they were all speaking German, and so I couldn’t tell what the hell was going on during that scene in which the bunker was blown up. The only think I learned from the TV is all the numbers, as there would be 10 very short commercials in a row advertising girls (that would do something for you, I dunno) “Nine null, nine femft, nine zeben!” “CALL NOW!” (<— I guess?)

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  65. @Steve Sailer
    James Cameron's "Titanic" set on a cliff in Baja California was one of the more memorable sites of my life. I had just found out I had cancer and was feeling pretty low. It's not too logical, but I sort of got the impression that if Cameron could build the Titanic on a cliff in Mexico, I might just be able to beat cancer.

    You don’t beat cancer … you just buy more time.

    6-year survivor.

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  66. @Lurker
    Someone should go one further and make a film editing out all male influences.

    Saving Private Ryan with no men and with no planes, tanks, guns, barbed wire etc.

    But more of an issue - no film, no cameras, no sound, no way to view to view the movie and thus no movie for snowflakes to complain about.

    … no film, no cameras, no sound, no way to view to view the movie and thus no movie for snowflakes to complain about.

    How about at least popcorn, $5 coke-colas, and snuck-in gummies? Otherwise, what’s the freakin’ point, man?

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  67. @Father O'Hara
    "My grandmother enjoyed shlong ,my mother enjoyed shlong..."

    LOL – both of y’all. Sounds like classic Zerohedge commentary.

    .

    Edit – All 3 of y’all – including Escher now.

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  68. has a 91% rating on Rotten Tomatoes

    7.5 on IMDB = average decent movie.

    was the highest-grossing film of 2017

    Only 49 more weeks to go!

    almost all of its major characters were women and POC.

    Not at all. It’s mostly white men.

    Poc poc!

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  69. @Escher
    Any examples of movies where the actors are toying with cigarettes?

    Try the Lethal Weapon series for starters. They’re not difficult to find. The actors often “mug” wildly when doing the placement scenes.

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  70. @Steve Sailer
    It's not impossible that a fashion magazine writer finds doctrinaire feminism pretty funny.

    No, the magazine article author is serious. She really thinks TLJ is a brilliant piece of film making and that those who do not think so are troglodyte males.

    Yes, TLJ has made money. It killed the last momentum that Star Wars had though. A lot of the fans are going to skip the next one and will simply wait until they can stream it, steal it, or catch it on TV.

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  71. Ahh, Evelyn Wang, happily on board the white-man bashing wagon. She’s a little example of Peterike’s law in action. Asians will be the death of us. Incidentally, her Twitter feed is pretty incoherent. Ms. Wang is totally Americanized into a Brooklyn living, SJW hipster ironist. I mean, look at her.

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    Looks like a hungover porno actress
    , @Kylie
    Thanks a lot for posting that pic with no warning.

    Ass.
    , @BB753
    Is partial nudity ok here? Well, I get a glimpse of a mammary gland, or is it just me?
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    #Mootoo

    #Me Too!

    Hey, I know that dude lady - all the family calls her "Nip" Wang.
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  72. anon • Disclaimer says:

    was the highest-grossing film of 2017,

    It’s an interesting list. The top ten domestic grossing films of 2017 are:

    Star Wars: The Last Jedi
    Beauty and the Beast
    Wonder Woman
    Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
    Spider-Man: Homecoming
    Stephen King’s IT
    Thor: Ragnarok
    Despicable Me 3
    Logan
    Justice League

    So, with the exception of Despicable Me 3 (and there’s always some kids’ cartoon in the top ten), every movie on the list is based on characters or intellectual property from 1991 or before. Beauty and the Beast is the latest, and, technically, those characters were from centuries before that.

    The average moviegoer probably wasn’t even alive when the next-most-recent, Stephen King’s IT, came out.

    I’ve known for awhile that the film industry is more or less out of new ideas, but that’s still pretty impressive.

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    "when the next-most-recent, Stephen King's IT, came out"

    Are you talking about the book or the miniseries? Because that movie might've just been based on the miniseries.
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  73. @AndrewR
    Wow a tank half the size of a swimming pool that must have cost so much

    WTF kind of swimming pools are you familiar with?

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    WTF kind of swimming pools are you familiar with?

     

    Regulation ones?

    Olympic size pools measure: 50 metres long, 25 metres wide, and a minimum of 2 metres deep. (25m x 50m x 2m = 2,500m3; 1L = 0.001m3 so 2,500 x 1000 = 2,500,000L)
    660,430 gallons of water.
    , @EriK
    Olympic would be my guess
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  74. @Steve Sailer
    It's a cool little bit in "Master and Commander" that Dr. Maturin in the Galapagos is on the verge of figuring out what Darwin figured out decades later but then gets distracted.

    Several British thinkers came up with all or part of natural selection before Darwin but didn't push it enough. It was kind of In the Air.

    That was a movie that badly deserved a sequel.

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  75. @Steve Sailer
    It's a cool little bit in "Master and Commander" that Dr. Maturin in the Galapagos is on the verge of figuring out what Darwin figured out decades later but then gets distracted.

    Several British thinkers came up with all or part of natural selection before Darwin but didn't push it enough. It was kind of In the Air.

    Master and Commander was one of the most unabashedly traditional, pro white-male, pro western-civilization movies made in the last thirty years, and it was a remarkably well-made, stunningly filmed movie. I made a point of seeing it in the theater when it came out and I’m glad I did. It wasn’t a big hit. Some movies develop a big following on DVD (or now, on web services), though never making it big in the theaters, like The Shawshank Redemption. Is Master and Commander like that, I wonder.

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    M and C was fun in several ways, such as imagining being one of the characters and seeing and feeling the action. Well-made movies with such great cinematography and sound really benefit from viewing in a good theatre.
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  76. @J.Ross
    There was a guy who pretty much came up with it at the same time, and Darwin actually wrote him and asked, as a gentleman, if he'd recognize Darwin's prior claim and just sit on it. The guy said yes. It was a different time. Although Darwin walked into that by agonizing over his findings rather than publishing something right away.

    Alfred Russel Wallace; they co-published their papers. He also believed the brain couldn’t be explained by evolution and so was proof of God’s design. Not surprisingly he doesn’t get brought up alot.

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  77. There are some films starring Stormy Daniels that have no men in them at all.

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  78. @peterike
    Ahh, Evelyn Wang, happily on board the white-man bashing wagon. She's a little example of Peterike's law in action. Asians will be the death of us. Incidentally, her Twitter feed is pretty incoherent. Ms. Wang is totally Americanized into a Brooklyn living, SJW hipster ironist. I mean, look at her.


    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/949870266083143680/cyuCtky1_400x400.jpg

    Looks like a hungover porno actress

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  79. @Declane
    "My grandmother cooked rice, my mother cooked rice, I write articles about the patriarchy, my daughter will write articles about the patriarchy, but her daughter will cook rice." - Evelyn Wang, probably

    LOL she’s going to reproduce! Yeah no.

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    Well, remember that according to genes, if your grandmother didn't have any children and your mother didn't have any children, it's likely that you won't have any children either.
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  80. @Anon
    WTF kind of swimming pools are you familiar with?

    WTF kind of swimming pools are you familiar with?

    Regulation ones?

    Olympic size pools measure: 50 metres long, 25 metres wide, and a minimum of 2 metres deep. (25m x 50m x 2m = 2,500m3; 1L = 0.001m3 so 2,500 x 1000 = 2,500,000L)
    660,430 gallons of water.

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  81. @Intelligent Dasein
    Let us recall at this juncture that the medium is the message.

    The saccharin sentimentality of Saving Private Ryan is enough to make the whole thing a womany movie to begin with. It doesn't matter how many men are on the screen; it isn't a story about men. It's a story about relationships wherein groups of soldiers play the parts that in an ordinary romantic movie are assigned to individuals. It's basically a chic-flick executed in a medium of guns a violence.

    But at least Steven Spielberg can tell a decent story, sentimentality aside. Star Wars: TLJ is not even a story at all. It isn't a movie about women, it is an assertion made by women, which is much worse. It is correspondingly artless, tactless, insensible of context, directionless, and seeking only its own gratification.

    The point of an ordinary movie is to place the viewer within a discourse so that it can exert its influences. The medium, in that case, remains largely in the background and with good reason: a too-obtrusive medium would be self-deconstructive. But the point of these feminist assertions is to make you watch them. The medium here is the entire message, bald-faced and bludgeonly. The woman says "Watch my movie" with the same implacable intensity with which she says "Listen to me," "Look at may makeup," or "Check out my ass." So intent is she upon forcing this impression upon you that she outstrips her own creation. Her will bleeds through the screen until only she stands before you.

    Since the movie in this case is merely an extension, a metaphor, a synecdoche for the woman herself, one can only treat it as one would treat a woman in like circumstances, i.e. by ignoring her and reminding her that the pimp hand will fly if she persists in this vein, which indeed seems to be what has happened here if you judge by the complaints about the movie and the rapid falloff in attendance. Women only lose when they assert themselves like this, but it is an unfortunate and ubiquitous sign of the times that they do so now everywhere and with impunity.

    With all respect to your great ideas and commentary, I.D., I don’t agree. It’s a nice theory, but if Saving Private Ryan is a chick-flick, then things (like, for instance, chicks) have really, really changed. Maybe I should go watch The Bridges of Madison Country and see if there are any machine guns it it – it’s got Clint Eastwood in it right? “Make my day, ladies!” “In all the confusion, you’ve gotta ask yourself one question – did your feelings get hurt 5 times, or 6? Do you feel that this is your non-moody time of the month? Well, do ya’, honey?”

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    I don't see the chick-flick structure either. The Americans and the Germans as the Colin Firth and Hugh Grant fighting over Matt Damon's Bridget Jones?

    Saving Private Ryan more closely resembles the Three Godfathers plotline that has been remade so many times. Soldier-types finding it within themselves to sacrifice for something innocent and delicate - usually a baby or child, but in this case a mother about to lose her last child. Spielberg also framed it more in terms of duty than sympathy.

    That's not a chick-flick. Guys are always looking to reinforce and explore the emotional reasons why they fight and sacrifice.

    Where Saving Private Ryan went wrong was with the painfully on-the-nose subplot with the cowardly American failing to understand the inherent evil of the Germans and his Jewish compatriot paying the price. Preachy much?
    , @Intelligent Dasein
    That was very funny, but I think you're reading me a bit too literally. I called Saving Private Ryan a "chick-flick" only as a shorthand way of saying that it is a movie about relationships (which it is), but not to imply that it was a Rom-Com of the sort women like to see. The main point, if you prefer, is simply that it is not really about war. The war functions as the backdrop for a human interest story. You could have taken the same story and replaced WWII with firefighting or coastguard rescuing and the essential architecture of the tale---the part that really affects us emotionally---would not have been altered in the least.

    If you can drop X out of the movie and replace it with Y without fundamentally altering it, then the movie could not possibly have been a story about X. The one thing you can't take away from Saving Private Ryan is the "saving," i.e. a bunch of soldiers lay down their lives to rescue the last son of a woman who has lost all her others. It is that mother-son relationship that provides 100% of the story's emotional impetus. But why is that so sacred? Why is it worth the sacrifice of other men who also presumably had mothers, fathers, wives, girlfriends? Why does this one mother's grief outweigh them all? Only because the idea of a woman losing all her issue is too terrible to countenance. This mother-love is a symbol of the continuity of the blood down through the generations, of the need to protect home and hearth at any personal cost. The one overriding imperative is the need to secure the future of the race by protecting the very core of it---the female.

    The "eternal mother" haunts the entire film. The story is about her, and even Private Ryan himself receives his significance solely in relation to her. Ryan is worth saving because his mother, due to the catastrophic nature of her circumstances, has been temporarily subsumed into the archetype of the eternal mother. She is now the mother of all, is motherhood itself. She sacrifices her other children for the sake of the one necessary child---necessary for her own triumph---because they are all only parts of herself. She unfolds them out of her own flesh. They are entitled to life only insofar as they preserve the blood eternal of which she is avatar and trustee.

    This picture, beautiful and terrible as it is, is reality. This story will never get old because it is the story of us. (And if that isn't a chick-flick, I'm not sure what is.) But only contrast it with the perverted picture of womanhood displayed in Star Wars! Here we have not the eternal mother but the eternal harridan, venomously demanding respect. The one men will willingly and almost automatically sacrifice their lives for; the other they scarcely wish to endure for ten seconds. This is the stench that everyone wishes to avoid in the new Star Wars. Woman, as the core of life, determines its nature. When woman rots, everything putrefies.
    , @JerseyJeffersonian
    Ooh, that is a great judo move.
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  82. Cheesey faux-art imitates sad miserable life.

    All over Europe men have been removed from
    the scene.

    Therefore:
    Open season on European women by rapefugees, etc.
    Said open season enforced by police states everywhere.
    All who object to open season are crushed.

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  83. @neutral

    The next movie will likely be the first Star Wars movie/TV show/video game to lose money in history, unless there is a reboot
     
    The next Solo movie perhaps, but Star Wars episode 9 will probably still make money. It could be a movie that just had Chewbacca making a noise the entire time and it would still make hundreds of millions (and many of the critics would defend this as wonderful). It is like when the new Ghostbusters came out, many of fans of the old movie still paid to watch it regardless of how many of the warning signs there were, personally I will never again pay a cent for any Star Wars movie, but I know some that will still want to go watch Star Wars even if they are the type that have admitted to me about just how SJWized it has become.

    Don’t be silly. Girlbusters lost money–it was a certified flop for Sony. Don’t be fooled by the huge numbers, combine regular film budget + marketing budget (always the same as the regular budget) + the investment Sony made in planning a universe= lost money. Killed an entire wing of the studio.

    Those folks who will go to Star Wars as hardcore fans no matter what can’t make up for the casual fans and straight white males now turned off by the man-hating, white-hating franchise. Not with the huge budgets these films run up and the investment by Disney needed to pay off buying this franchise.

    Bank on it; the next Star Wars movie will be a money loser, the first ever.

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  84. @Sam
    What do people on here keep insisting that the Last Jedi was a failure at the box office?
    Doesn't seem like it:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Last_Jedi#Box_office

    Hasn't this in fact been a SJW success? Granted, it could merely be that SJWism is hinging it's ride to a generally competent film that would have flourished without "the message".

    Didn't enjoy the last so I haven't seen the new one myself but know a couple of Star Wars geeks who loved it. Aside from a small(?) backlash among some hardcore fans is there even evidence that the real Star Wars geeks disliked it?

    Would love to see some evidence for this because it seems to be the assumption on here.

    It was not a failure at the box office – Star Wars brand loyalty is still too powerful and they were bringing back Luke Skywalker for the first time in 35 years. Plus they had some positive momentum from the previous releases.

    But it did fall well behind the pace set by the other two new Star Wars. Showed very little legs, which is a sign of poor word-of-mouth and a lack of repeat viewings from the geek set.

    Check out this handy-dandy chart: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=weekend&id=roguevforce.htm

    Opened very strong – fairly close to TFA. By week 2 it had fallen to half of TFA. By week 5, it’s weekend take had fallen behind Rogue One.

    Making money off of a new Star Wars is a given – they were happy to pay $4 billion for the brand. But this kind of collapse in momentum is significant. Especially since you only get to bring back Luke once.

    Their marketing for the final chapter is going to be heavily dependent on their new characters, which is where they are weakest. I expect it to fall well short of where they could have reasonably projected after the financial success of TFA.

    I expect them to give a little less rein to the SJW contingent going forward – going full progressive with the sequel may have cost them half a billion in additional profits, not to mention the penalty they’ll be absorbing with next movie.

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    . Especially since you only get to bring back Luke once.
     
    At this point, whoever buys this lumbering zombie carcass franchise from Disney at 1/10th of the price they paid would honestly be able to extricate himself from this post-Lucas debacle by using the old hackneyed and hated trope: "it was all a dream." Star Wars fans, both hardcore and not, would be so happy to reset this universe they would actually accept that explanation; it's just a giant force-created nightmare that either Luke is experiencing one night while training his students or the real next hero has, directing him (and it should be a white male him) where to go to seek out training.
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  85. @JimB
    Last Jedi stunk. Only 49% of US audiences liked it compared to 59% of US audiences who liked the roundly panned Phantom Menace. And Chinese audiences weren't amused, either: the 2nd week box office take in China was 95% lower! Evelyn Wang mentioned only the critics RT because it suited her SJW narrative.

    Essentially, by making this turd of a sequel, Disney sacrificed any credibility they earned by doing a pretty good Star Wars soft reboot, The Force Awakens, and euthanized the Star Wars franchise by defrauding a billion dollars from fans who were expecting something much better.

    , Disney sacrificed any credibility they earned by doing a pretty good Star Wars soft reboot, The Force Awakens

    The Force Awakens was awful, not pretty good. People have realized this in retrospect. At the time, all the fan service (Han! Leia! Luke! Chewy! Millenium Falcon!) and the very familiar plot (hero’s journey to be a Jedi) and good space battles distracted folks from the horrendous Mary Sue main character, plot that made no sense, and lack of quotable dialog. But then on reviews every Star Wars fan realized it was far worse than they remembered. And some noticed that The Force Awakens basically wiped away all the accomplishments of the first three movies, putting everyone right back where they were at the start of a New Hope, negating all the sacrifice and hard work.

    Check out YouTube for retrospective reviews of The Force Awakens and, many months later, actual Star Wars fans will admit it wasn’t good. Heck, even the Mr. Plinkett folks gave it a decent thumbs up on first viewing only to downgrade their review later.

    Most fans were willing to give it a pass, ultimately, because it was a reboot and the the fans needed to be serviced, but only if the next film (The Last Jedi) built something on it. Instead, the Last Jedi was awful, and continued the theme of negating and wiping out the entire Star Wars universe for no reason.

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    I agree with your assessment on TFA. For me the new trio of characters weren't up to the task and the Mary Sue bothered me immensely.

    But again I can't find much evidence that fans were against it in retrospect. I was hoping to find it because I didn't get why so many fans were so easily swept up in nostalgia. Granted, I just tried to do a google search on retrospective reviews but checking a random selection I didn't see any retrospective backlash. Of course the best measure, ultimately, would be checking out the real fan boy sites
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  86. @The Millennial Falcon
    It was not a failure at the box office - Star Wars brand loyalty is still too powerful and they were bringing back Luke Skywalker for the first time in 35 years. Plus they had some positive momentum from the previous releases.

    But it did fall well behind the pace set by the other two new Star Wars. Showed very little legs, which is a sign of poor word-of-mouth and a lack of repeat viewings from the geek set.

    Check out this handy-dandy chart: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=weekend&id=roguevforce.htm

    Opened very strong - fairly close to TFA. By week 2 it had fallen to half of TFA. By week 5, it's weekend take had fallen behind Rogue One.

    Making money off of a new Star Wars is a given - they were happy to pay $4 billion for the brand. But this kind of collapse in momentum is significant. Especially since you only get to bring back Luke once.

    Their marketing for the final chapter is going to be heavily dependent on their new characters, which is where they are weakest. I expect it to fall well short of where they could have reasonably projected after the financial success of TFA.

    I expect them to give a little less rein to the SJW contingent going forward - going full progressive with the sequel may have cost them half a billion in additional profits, not to mention the penalty they'll be absorbing with next movie.

    . Especially since you only get to bring back Luke once.

    At this point, whoever buys this lumbering zombie carcass franchise from Disney at 1/10th of the price they paid would honestly be able to extricate himself from this post-Lucas debacle by using the old hackneyed and hated trope: “it was all a dream.” Star Wars fans, both hardcore and not, would be so happy to reset this universe they would actually accept that explanation; it’s just a giant force-created nightmare that either Luke is experiencing one night while training his students or the real next hero has, directing him (and it should be a white male him) where to go to seek out training.

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  87. @Achmed E. Newman
    With all respect to your great ideas and commentary, I.D., I don't agree. It's a nice theory, but if Saving Private Ryan is a chick-flick, then things (like, for instance, chicks) have really, really changed. Maybe I should go watch The Bridges of Madison Country and see if there are any machine guns it it - it's got Clint Eastwood in it right? "Make my day, ladies!" "In all the confusion, you've gotta ask yourself one question - did your feelings get hurt 5 times, or 6? Do you feel that this is your non-moody time of the month? Well, do ya', honey?"

    I don’t see the chick-flick structure either. The Americans and the Germans as the Colin Firth and Hugh Grant fighting over Matt Damon’s Bridget Jones?

    Saving Private Ryan more closely resembles the Three Godfathers plotline that has been remade so many times. Soldier-types finding it within themselves to sacrifice for something innocent and delicate – usually a baby or child, but in this case a mother about to lose her last child. Spielberg also framed it more in terms of duty than sympathy.

    That’s not a chick-flick. Guys are always looking to reinforce and explore the emotional reasons why they fight and sacrifice.

    Where Saving Private Ryan went wrong was with the painfully on-the-nose subplot with the cowardly American failing to understand the inherent evil of the Germans and his Jewish compatriot paying the price. Preachy much?

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  88. @Achmed E. Newman
    With all respect to your great ideas and commentary, I.D., I don't agree. It's a nice theory, but if Saving Private Ryan is a chick-flick, then things (like, for instance, chicks) have really, really changed. Maybe I should go watch The Bridges of Madison Country and see if there are any machine guns it it - it's got Clint Eastwood in it right? "Make my day, ladies!" "In all the confusion, you've gotta ask yourself one question - did your feelings get hurt 5 times, or 6? Do you feel that this is your non-moody time of the month? Well, do ya', honey?"

    That was very funny, but I think you’re reading me a bit too literally. I called Saving Private Ryan a “chick-flick” only as a shorthand way of saying that it is a movie about relationships (which it is), but not to imply that it was a Rom-Com of the sort women like to see. The main point, if you prefer, is simply that it is not really about war. The war functions as the backdrop for a human interest story. You could have taken the same story and replaced WWII with firefighting or coastguard rescuing and the essential architecture of the tale—the part that really affects us emotionally—would not have been altered in the least.

    If you can drop X out of the movie and replace it with Y without fundamentally altering it, then the movie could not possibly have been a story about X. The one thing you can’t take away from Saving Private Ryan is the “saving,” i.e. a bunch of soldiers lay down their lives to rescue the last son of a woman who has lost all her others. It is that mother-son relationship that provides 100% of the story’s emotional impetus. But why is that so sacred? Why is it worth the sacrifice of other men who also presumably had mothers, fathers, wives, girlfriends? Why does this one mother’s grief outweigh them all? Only because the idea of a woman losing all her issue is too terrible to countenance. This mother-love is a symbol of the continuity of the blood down through the generations, of the need to protect home and hearth at any personal cost. The one overriding imperative is the need to secure the future of the race by protecting the very core of it—the female.

    The “eternal mother” haunts the entire film. The story is about her, and even Private Ryan himself receives his significance solely in relation to her. Ryan is worth saving because his mother, due to the catastrophic nature of her circumstances, has been temporarily subsumed into the archetype of the eternal mother. She is now the mother of all, is motherhood itself. She sacrifices her other children for the sake of the one necessary child—necessary for her own triumph—because they are all only parts of herself. She unfolds them out of her own flesh. They are entitled to life only insofar as they preserve the blood eternal of which she is avatar and trustee.

    This picture, beautiful and terrible as it is, is reality. This story will never get old because it is the story of us. (And if that isn’t a chick-flick, I’m not sure what is.) But only contrast it with the perverted picture of womanhood displayed in Star Wars! Here we have not the eternal mother but the eternal harridan, venomously demanding respect. The one men will willingly and almost automatically sacrifice their lives for; the other they scarcely wish to endure for ten seconds. This is the stench that everyone wishes to avoid in the new Star Wars. Woman, as the core of life, determines its nature. When woman rots, everything putrefies.

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  89. This is Logan Smith:

    Why do they all have this same neotenous, round face and features? Honestly this one looks like a FTM tranny with that scraggly pube beard that they all seem to have.

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    Logan Smith is a soy-boy.
    , @PiltdownMan

    Why do they all have this same neotenous, round face and features?
     
    That observation deserves some kind of "agree" button for noticing. Especially for "neotenous", which is insightful.
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  90. @Altai

    Twitter user Logan Smith, however, was not content letting it end there. Smith, who’s also behind the Twitter project @YesYoureRacist, took things one step further and applied the same flawed logic to Saving Private Ryan. “In response to the MRA douche who edited all the women out of #TheLastJedi,” he wrote, “I decided to edit all of the men out of Saving Private Ryan. Here it is in its entirety.”
     
    Am I the only one who thinks this is a parody account and these people don't get the joke? Everything about it screams a parody to anyone but a true believer.

    “Everything about it screams parody to anyone but a true believer”

    Yeah, but feminism is like that.

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  91. @anon

    was the highest-grossing film of 2017,
     
    It's an interesting list. The top ten domestic grossing films of 2017 are:

    Star Wars: The Last Jedi
    Beauty and the Beast
    Wonder Woman
    Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
    Spider-Man: Homecoming
    Stephen King's IT
    Thor: Ragnarok
    Despicable Me 3
    Logan
    Justice League

    So, with the exception of Despicable Me 3 (and there's always some kids' cartoon in the top ten), every movie on the list is based on characters or intellectual property from 1991 or before. Beauty and the Beast is the latest, and, technically, those characters were from centuries before that.

    The average moviegoer probably wasn't even alive when the next-most-recent, Stephen King's IT, came out.

    I've known for awhile that the film industry is more or less out of new ideas, but that's still pretty impressive.

    “when the next-most-recent, Stephen King’s IT, came out”

    Are you talking about the book or the miniseries? Because that movie might’ve just been based on the miniseries.

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    Well, I meant the book, though I guess it would apply to the mini-series too. The mini-series only came out four years after the novel.
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  92. @SimpleSong
    LOL she's going to reproduce! Yeah no.

    Well, remember that according to genes, if your grandmother didn’t have any children and your mother didn’t have any children, it’s likely that you won’t have any children either.

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  93. @J.Ross
    You missed nothing. But watch the Turkish film The Breath if you can, it's the best depiction of combat on film.

    “Breath” looks excellent. Thanks for the recommendation.

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  94. @peterike
    Ahh, Evelyn Wang, happily on board the white-man bashing wagon. She's a little example of Peterike's law in action. Asians will be the death of us. Incidentally, her Twitter feed is pretty incoherent. Ms. Wang is totally Americanized into a Brooklyn living, SJW hipster ironist. I mean, look at her.


    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/949870266083143680/cyuCtky1_400x400.jpg

    Thanks a lot for posting that pic with no warning.

    Ass.

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  95. @guest
    "when the next-most-recent, Stephen King's IT, came out"

    Are you talking about the book or the miniseries? Because that movie might've just been based on the miniseries.

    Well, I meant the book, though I guess it would apply to the mini-series too. The mini-series only came out four years after the novel.

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  96. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    This is Logan Smith:

    https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/logansmith3.png

    Why do they all have this same neotenous, round face and features? Honestly this one looks like a FTM tranny with that scraggly pube beard that they all seem to have.

    Logan Smith is a soy-boy.

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    aka "a frail".
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  97. @Anon
    WTF kind of swimming pools are you familiar with?

    Olympic would be my guess

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    Which are pretty darned expensive: news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7336542.stm
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  98. Surely the obvious difference is the Saving Private Ryan is based upon real life events whereas The Last Jedi is pure sci fi fantasy. Unlike TLJ, it would not be possible to replace any of the cast of SPR with women, unless you were Luis Bunuel.
    Treating the two films as comparable is an insult to the memory of the soldiers involved on D-Day. couldn’t the creep have chosen another film carrying less baggage, such as 2001 A Space Odyssey, which is also almost all male?

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  99. @peterike
    Ahh, Evelyn Wang, happily on board the white-man bashing wagon. She's a little example of Peterike's law in action. Asians will be the death of us. Incidentally, her Twitter feed is pretty incoherent. Ms. Wang is totally Americanized into a Brooklyn living, SJW hipster ironist. I mean, look at her.


    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/949870266083143680/cyuCtky1_400x400.jpg

    Is partial nudity ok here? Well, I get a glimpse of a mammary gland, or is it just me?

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    Is partial nudity ok here? Well, I get a glimpse of a mammary gland, or is it just me?

     

    I don't know. And it's not just you. And it's the Twitter profile pic of the lady in question. I didn't expect it would create such a fuss.
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  100. @jimbojones
    So now feminism and SJWism is about denigrating the heroes who saves the world from Nazism. How wonderful.

    So now feminism and SJWism is about denigrating the heroes who saves the world from Nazism.

    …So that Soviet Communism could flourish for another 50 years?

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  101. @Achmed E. Newman
    With all respect to your great ideas and commentary, I.D., I don't agree. It's a nice theory, but if Saving Private Ryan is a chick-flick, then things (like, for instance, chicks) have really, really changed. Maybe I should go watch The Bridges of Madison Country and see if there are any machine guns it it - it's got Clint Eastwood in it right? "Make my day, ladies!" "In all the confusion, you've gotta ask yourself one question - did your feelings get hurt 5 times, or 6? Do you feel that this is your non-moody time of the month? Well, do ya', honey?"

    Ooh, that is a great judo move.

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  102. Logan Smith, however, was not content letting it end there. Smith, who’s also behind the Twitter project @YesYoureRacist, took things one step further and applied the same flawed logic to Saving Private Ryan. “In response to the MRA douche who edited all the women out of #TheLastJedi,” he wrote, “I decided to edit all of the men out of Saving Private Ryan. Here it is in its entirety.”

    Interestingly, this isn’t even the work of a radical lesbian (((feminist))), as you might expect… but the work of some cucked beta-male.

    Absolutely pathetic…

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  103. As everyone knows, is a cinematic marvel…riiight. My high school daughters thought it sucked.

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  104. @Auntie Analogue
    I think it would be even funnier if someone edited men from cinephiles' much-worshipped Citizen Kane.

    On the other hand, editing blacks out of every episode of Law & Order and its spinoffs would leave those several hundreds of episodes pretty much intact, with all their Always-The-Evil-Privileged-White-Bad-Guys still in your face.

    A step further, you say? How about editing from TV programming all the commercials showing blacks, and you'd enjoy very, very short commercial breaks and a hell of a lot more actual programming.

    A step even further, you say? How about editing blacks out of NBA, NFL, and MLB games. The only thing left would be the commercials.

    Even further still, you say! Edit Democrats out of newscasts and public affairs programs, and you'd be left with a normal, actual United States.

    Would have to cut out all the courtroom scenes on “L&O” since every trial features either a female black attorney or a black judge. Given the NYC Dem clubhouse stranglehold on the bench, the black female judge part is actually very accurate.

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  105. @whorefinder

    , Disney sacrificed any credibility they earned by doing a pretty good Star Wars soft reboot, The Force Awakens
     
    The Force Awakens was awful, not pretty good. People have realized this in retrospect. At the time, all the fan service (Han! Leia! Luke! Chewy! Millenium Falcon!) and the very familiar plot (hero's journey to be a Jedi) and good space battles distracted folks from the horrendous Mary Sue main character, plot that made no sense, and lack of quotable dialog. But then on reviews every Star Wars fan realized it was far worse than they remembered. And some noticed that The Force Awakens basically wiped away all the accomplishments of the first three movies, putting everyone right back where they were at the start of a New Hope, negating all the sacrifice and hard work.

    Check out YouTube for retrospective reviews of The Force Awakens and, many months later, actual Star Wars fans will admit it wasn't good. Heck, even the Mr. Plinkett folks gave it a decent thumbs up on first viewing only to downgrade their review later.

    Most fans were willing to give it a pass, ultimately, because it was a reboot and the the fans needed to be serviced, but only if the next film (The Last Jedi) built something on it. Instead, the Last Jedi was awful, and continued the theme of negating and wiping out the entire Star Wars universe for no reason.

    I agree with your assessment on TFA. For me the new trio of characters weren’t up to the task and the Mary Sue bothered me immensely.

    But again I can’t find much evidence that fans were against it in retrospect. I was hoping to find it because I didn’t get why so many fans were so easily swept up in nostalgia. Granted, I just tried to do a google search on retrospective reviews but checking a random selection I didn’t see any retrospective backlash. Of course the best measure, ultimately, would be checking out the real fan boy sites

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  106. As you age your libido decreases, but your understanding of the opposite gender’s psychological makeup increases. Eventually these two trends combine to make you long for the ability to edit women out of real life. I suspect that’s the real reason men became hermits in past eras.

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    You start noticing it around 40...suddenly you see your mom's craziness you grew up with, all around you in every woman just about.
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  107. @Anonymous
    I watched a bit of Wonder Woman. My wife watched all of it. Big Afro-Americans scattered into the crowd of Amazons. I was surprised at how cheesy the production values are. The Amazons' helmet thingies seemed to be made of cardboard. I looked up the claimed production costs which were an astounding $150 million (probably exaggerated) with receipts of $800 million. The Titanic movie by contrast, in 1997, had production costs of $200 million which included paying for 3/4 size Titanic set and a tank holding 350,000 gallons of water for the final scene.

    paying for 3/4 size Titanic

    It was full size, 1:1.

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    My vague recollection is Cameron's Titanic was supposed to be 90% sized, but I don't know how that would work. In any case, it was huge. It was the damndest thing to be driving along the Baja coast road toward Ensenada and suddenly come upon this 80 year old looking liner.
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  108. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    This is Logan Smith:

    https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/logansmith3.png

    Why do they all have this same neotenous, round face and features? Honestly this one looks like a FTM tranny with that scraggly pube beard that they all seem to have.

    Why do they all have this same neotenous, round face and features?

    That observation deserves some kind of “agree” button for noticing. Especially for “neotenous”, which is insightful.

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  109. @Yngvar

    paying for 3/4 size Titanic
     
    It was full size, 1:1.

    My vague recollection is Cameron’s Titanic was supposed to be 90% sized, but I don’t know how that would work. In any case, it was huge. It was the damndest thing to be driving along the Baja coast road toward Ensenada and suddenly come upon this 80 year old looking liner.

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    It was full size but just 90% finished. Some hull sheets and other stuff was glued on in post-production.

    You are one of the few who got to see it. *envy*

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  110. @peterike
    Ahh, Evelyn Wang, happily on board the white-man bashing wagon. She's a little example of Peterike's law in action. Asians will be the death of us. Incidentally, her Twitter feed is pretty incoherent. Ms. Wang is totally Americanized into a Brooklyn living, SJW hipster ironist. I mean, look at her.


    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/949870266083143680/cyuCtky1_400x400.jpg

    #Mootoo

    #Me Too!

    Hey, I know that dude lady – all the family calls her “Nip” Wang.

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  111. @BB753
    Is partial nudity ok here? Well, I get a glimpse of a mammary gland, or is it just me?

    Is partial nudity ok here? Well, I get a glimpse of a mammary gland, or is it just me?

    I don’t know. And it’s not just you. And it’s the Twitter profile pic of the lady in question. I didn’t expect it would create such a fuss.

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  112. @Anonymous
    I watched a bit of Wonder Woman. My wife watched all of it. Big Afro-Americans scattered into the crowd of Amazons. I was surprised at how cheesy the production values are. The Amazons' helmet thingies seemed to be made of cardboard. I looked up the claimed production costs which were an astounding $150 million (probably exaggerated) with receipts of $800 million. The Titanic movie by contrast, in 1997, had production costs of $200 million which included paying for 3/4 size Titanic set and a tank holding 350,000 gallons of water for the final scene.

    A lot of production costs go to the bank accounts of the producers instead of the production.

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  113. @whorefinder
    I read this somewhere else online:

    The de-feminised The Last Jedi is the trigger that keeps on triggering.


    It's so hilariously obvious the feminazis are massively bothered by the fact that their preachfest/diversity lecture is being raked over the coals by everyone not a Marxist or paid off by Disney to like it. They are responding with massive force to counter it, writing as many twitter posts and blog articles and newspaper blurbs as possible.

    It really reminds me a lot of how much of a defense the feminazis ran on the Girlbusters debacle. They were flipping out when people called the trailer bad, and so many of them were claiming it was a "brilliant comedy" when it came out. One fat feminazi "activist" bragged about going to the theater dressed in a ghostbuster outfit (plus sized) on opening day to show her solidarity.

    And yet they fooled no one. It flopped. Hard.

    Sony's entire planned Ghostbusters Extended Universe (yes, they planned one like Marvel's Superhero one) was killed ab initio, Paul Feig permanently blackened his name with both money-conscious producers and male comedy fans, Leslie Jones had to retreat and run home from Twitter after a gay many ripped her work apart, and, most pathetically, Saturday Night Live despite the movie starring two then-current SNL players (Jones, Kate McKinnon), a lauded SNL-veteran (Kristen Wiig), and a comedienne who was very friendly with the SNL crew and multiple appearances (Melissa McCarthy)---well, SNL didn't even have the guts to make fun of the flop or mention it.

    It's quite amusing how in-denial the SJWs are that, in only two films, they've managed to do what George Lucas couldn't with the prequels : they've killed the franchise. The drop in sales from The Force Awakens to The Last Jedi was horrendous, and the foreign drop in China was cataclysmic. The next movie will likely be the first Star Wars movie/TV show/video game to lose money in history, unless there is a reboot or, somehow, there is a massive overhaul by a masculine director who changes everything around in one fell swoop.

    A prior generation made the jump to hyperspace.
    The noobs can’t manage hymenspace.

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  114. @Steve Sailer
    "Master and Commander" was a little too good for its own box office good. It was aimed at the middle-age 3-digit guys who like the books, and did a good job of satisfying them, while going over the head of the mass market.

    Sea movies tend to be expensive to make (e.g., Waterworld), and while M and C did decent box office business, it was not enough to justify a sequel.

    One reason I like Russell Crowe movies is that his roles are interesting to men over 45. A Roman General or a British Naval Captain are things I can relate to much more than a superhero film and they are much more convincing when they are not played by a 32 year old heart throb. He is more masculine than pretty so he has more gravitas than say a Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt who were more handsome / boyish and still emit that feel even though they are now older.

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  115. @Steve Sailer
    It's a cool little bit in "Master and Commander" that Dr. Maturin in the Galapagos is on the verge of figuring out what Darwin figured out decades later but then gets distracted.

    Several British thinkers came up with all or part of natural selection before Darwin but didn't push it enough. It was kind of In the Air.

    Speaking of Darwin, did you ever read The Kingdom of Speech? I don’t recall you commenting on that.

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  116. @Mr. Anon
    Master and Commander was one of the most unabashedly traditional, pro white-male, pro western-civilization movies made in the last thirty years, and it was a remarkably well-made, stunningly filmed movie. I made a point of seeing it in the theater when it came out and I'm glad I did. It wasn't a big hit. Some movies develop a big following on DVD (or now, on web services), though never making it big in the theaters, like The Shawshank Redemption. Is Master and Commander like that, I wonder.

    M and C was fun in several ways, such as imagining being one of the characters and seeing and feeling the action. Well-made movies with such great cinematography and sound really benefit from viewing in a good theatre.

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  117. Edit all the men out of Dead Poet’s Society…it then runs about 2hr and 9 min from what I understand.

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  118. @Glossy
    As you age your libido decreases, but your understanding of the opposite gender's psychological makeup increases. Eventually these two trends combine to make you long for the ability to edit women out of real life. I suspect that's the real reason men became hermits in past eras.

    You start noticing it around 40…suddenly you see your mom’s craziness you grew up with, all around you in every woman just about.

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  119. @JimB
    Logan Smith is a soy-boy.

    aka “a frail”.

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  120. @Twinkie
    Take it to the logical conclusion: all the women wasting away from lack of protein and eventually dying off due to lack of procreation.

    Then again, this is probably the ideal vision of Earth for these types since they are likely also radical "environmentalists" who believe Man is a disease upon this planet.

    T-Man!

    OT — but have you seen this?

    https://www.reddit.com/r/judo/comments/7rwb24/street_ippon/

    The Kameroon Kids ride again!

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    No, I hadn’t seen it before! Argh, do they just teach Judo to any idiot in Cameroon?

    The guy in light colored T-shirt has better Judo and wins. He does a Seoi-Otoshi, a Deashi-Barai, then another Seoi, and finally O-uchi-Gari. He needs to learn some Ne-Waza though - he had absolutely no control after the first three throws.

    If I threw someone with a Seoi, you better believe I’d get North-South or Kesa-Gatame, followed by massive elbows and knees to the head.
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  121. @PiltdownMan
    Since it was men, in fact, who took the creative initiative to do both edits and squared off to do battle with their video clips, it appears that Evelyn Wang at Glamour is simply content to play the part of the ululating lady for the second man, Logan Smith.

    “In response to the MRA douche who edited all the women out of The Last Jedi, I decided to edit all the men out of Saving Private Ryan.” That is ironic since MRA’s -the misogynist lunatics and zealots of the soi-disant “men’s movement”- agree with feminists in supporting women in combat and the feminization of the military and police and fire departments, female guards in male prisons, etc. In contrast to F. Roger Devlin -anyone who hates women and depicts men and boys as the victims of females, even if they and MRA’s disagree on such issues as massive nonwhite immigration, race, sex differences- the regnant majority of MRA’s are left-liberals, cultural determinists, and sexual egalitarians. Thus MRA’s, not feminist ideologues and their left-liberal sympathizers, are the most fanatical proponents or women in combat and female conscription, should the draft be reinstated for whatever reasons, because they’re misogynists as well as left-liberals and sexual egalitarians. So pathological and virulent and obsessive is their hatred of women and lust for vengence that they revel in the deaths and injuries and sufferings of female soldiers.

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    The sentence should read: in contrast to F. Roger Devlin -anyone who hates women and depicts men and boys as the victims of females is embraced by the "men's movement," even if they and MRA's disagree on issues such as massive nonwhite immigration, r ace, ses differences, etc.- the regnant majority of MRA's are left-liberals, cultural determinists, and sexual egalitarians. The "men's rights movement" (as opposed to the "manosphere," MRA's as opposed to PUA's/"gamers") is composed of a small minority of "conservatives"/traditionalists, some of whom want to deny women the right to vote and to divorce their husbands under any circumstances, and a regnant majority of left-liberals, cultural determinists, and sexual egalitarians.
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  122. @PiltdownMan
    Since it was men, in fact, who took the creative initiative to do both edits and squared off to do battle with their video clips, it appears that Evelyn Wang at Glamour is simply content to play the part of the ululating lady for the second man, Logan Smith.

    “In response to the MRA douche who edited all the women out of The Last Jedi, I decided to edit all the men out of Saving Private Ryan.” That is ironic since MRA’s -the misogynist lunatics and zealots of the soi-disant “men’s movement”- agree with feminists in supporting women in combat and the feminization of the military and police and fire departments, female guards in male prisons, etc. In contrast to F. Roger Devlin -anyone who hates women and depicts men and boys as the victims of females, even if they and MRA’s disagree on such issues as massive nonwhite immigration, race, sex differences- the regnant majority of MRA’s are left-liberals, cultural determinists, and sexual egalitarians. Thus MRA’s, not feminist ideologues and their left-liberal sympathizers, are the most fanatical proponents or women in combat and female conscription, should the draft be reinstated for whatever reasons, because they’re misogynists as well as left-liberals and sexual egalitarians. So pathological and virulent and obsessive is their hatred of women and lust for vengence that they revel in the deaths and injuries and sufferings of female soldiers.

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  123. Hello?
    Anybody notice western culture has edited men
    out of the scene in real life?
    Merkel and her police state enforcing her
    rapefugee regime – etc etc
    All I see here are silly movie reviewer wannabe comments. Yuuuge disappointment.

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  124. @SMK
    "In response to the MRA douche who edited all the women out of The Last Jedi, I decided to edit all the men out of Saving Private Ryan." That is ironic since MRA's -the misogynist lunatics and zealots of the soi-disant "men's movement"- agree with feminists in supporting women in combat and the feminization of the military and police and fire departments, female guards in male prisons, etc. In contrast to F. Roger Devlin -anyone who hates women and depicts men and boys as the victims of females, even if they and MRA's disagree on such issues as massive nonwhite immigration, race, sex differences- the regnant majority of MRA's are left-liberals, cultural determinists, and sexual egalitarians. Thus MRA's, not feminist ideologues and their left-liberal sympathizers, are the most fanatical proponents or women in combat and female conscription, should the draft be reinstated for whatever reasons, because they're misogynists as well as left-liberals and sexual egalitarians. So pathological and virulent and obsessive is their hatred of women and lust for vengence that they revel in the deaths and injuries and sufferings of female soldiers.

    The sentence should read: in contrast to F. Roger Devlin -anyone who hates women and depicts men and boys as the victims of females is embraced by the “men’s movement,” even if they and MRA’s disagree on issues such as massive nonwhite immigration, r ace, ses differences, etc.- the regnant majority of MRA’s are left-liberals, cultural determinists, and sexual egalitarians. The “men’s rights movement” (as opposed to the “manosphere,” MRA’s as opposed to PUA’s/”gamers”) is composed of a small minority of “conservatives”/traditionalists, some of whom want to deny women the right to vote and to divorce their husbands under any circumstances, and a regnant majority of left-liberals, cultural determinists, and sexual egalitarians.

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  125. @EriK
    Olympic would be my guess

    Which are pretty darned expensive: news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7336542.stm

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  126. @Steve Sailer
    My vague recollection is Cameron's Titanic was supposed to be 90% sized, but I don't know how that would work. In any case, it was huge. It was the damndest thing to be driving along the Baja coast road toward Ensenada and suddenly come upon this 80 year old looking liner.

    It was full size but just 90% finished. Some hull sheets and other stuff was glued on in post-production.

    You are one of the few who got to see it. *envy*

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  127. @SteveRogers42
    T-Man!

    OT -- but have you seen this?

    https://www.reddit.com/r/judo/comments/7rwb24/street_ippon/

    The Kameroon Kids ride again!

    No, I hadn’t seen it before! Argh, do they just teach Judo to any idiot in Cameroon?

    The guy in light colored T-shirt has better Judo and wins. He does a Seoi-Otoshi, a Deashi-Barai, then another Seoi, and finally O-uchi-Gari. He needs to learn some Ne-Waza though – he had absolutely no control after the first three throws.

    If I threw someone with a Seoi, you better believe I’d get North-South or Kesa-Gatame, followed by massive elbows and knees to the head.

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  128. @jimbojones
    So now feminism and SJWism is about denigrating the heroes who saves the world from Nazism. How wonderful.

    So now feminism and SJWism is about denigrating the heroes who saves the world from Nazism. How wonderful.

    If it wasn’t for the sacrifices of those brave heroes we wouldn’t have the wonderful world we have today. We might never have had homosexual marriage, or men in dresses being hailed as women of the year, or hip-hop music, or reality TV, or mass Third World immigration, or the drug culture, or ubiquitous pornography, or SJWs, or any of the other fantastic achievements of liberal democracy.

    I’m sure those guys don’t regret any of the sacrifices they made.

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