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From the Sydney Morning Herald:

UN human rights review: Countries line up to criticise Australia for its treatment of asylum seekers
November 10, 2015 – 7:36AM
Nick Miller Europe Correspondent

Geneva: Australia has copped a barrage of criticism at a United Nations human rights forum over its treatment of asylum seekers on the high seas and in offshore detention centres.

Countries taking part in the review also noted Australia’s inadequate treatment of Indigenous people, the high level of violence against women, and the spread of Islamophobia.

But Australia was defiant as dozens of countries called on it to wind back or end boat turn-backs and mandatory detention, and grant refugees their full rights.

Australia’s delegation, which included MP Philip Ruddock, insisted that turning back asylum seeker boats and putting asylum seekers in overseas detention centres was necessary, and had saved lives.

The UN Human Rights Council’s official review of Australia’s human rights policies took place at the Palais des Nations in Geneva on Monday. The scrutiny comes at a time when Australia is vying for a two-year term on the council.

During the review, representatives from more than 100 countries gave recommendations on how Australia should improve its human rights record.

Countries including Brazil, Turkey, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, Bangladesh – even Rwanda, Iran and North Korea – expressed concern over Australia’s treatment of refugees.

The presence of women and children asylum seekers in detention centres came in for particular criticism. …

Countries taking part in the review also noted Australia’s inadequate treatment of Indigenous people, the high level of violence against women, and the spread of Islamophobia.

France’s spokesman Thomas Wagner called for Australia to “develop alternatives to the mandatory detention of asylum seekers, especially when dealing with children”.

Germany’s representative said Australia should “critically review” offshore processing on Nauru and Manus Island.

He recommended Australia “remove children and their families, and other individuals at risk – in particular survivors of torture and trauma – from immigration detention centres”.

Bangladesh’s representative said Australia’s response to migrant arrivals had “set a poor benchmark”, calling for the repeal of mandatory detention for asylum seekers – and she was also concerned by “firsthand reports of discrimination and racism, particularly associated with Islamophobia”.

The United States encouraged Australia to “ensure humane treatment and respect for the human rights of asylum seekers, including those processed offshore”.

The US said the processing of refugees and asylum seekers should be “closely monitored”, though it stopped short of calling for the offshore centres to be closed.

Countries not normally celebrated for their human rights records joined the criticism of Australia.

North Korea’s representative said his country was “seriously concerned at continued maltreatment of and violence against the refugees and asylum seekers”.

Iran expressed its “deep concern about the mandatory immigration detention regime”.

And China said Australia should safeguard the human rights of “all refugees and asylum seekers who reach Australian shores”.

Most countries acknowledged that Australia had made progress since its first human rights review in 2011.

However Russia pointed out that Australia had fully implemented just 10 per cent of the 145 recommendations it had accepted from that review – a statistic it plucked from this year’s report by the Australian Human Rights Commission.

 
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  1. So real immigration restrictions require real force and perhaps real blood to generate costs and fear to discourage people from trying to challenge the barriers.

    Australia has my respect for its decisive policy without shedding the kind of blood the GDR did at their pretty bloody effective border wall. But North Korea, China and Russia criticizing Australia on the basis of human rights??? Very funny… Who knew that the sense of humor of the Chinese was that good? I’m waiting for the Peoples Republic’s answer to Charlie Chaplin or at least Roberto Benigni… The UN and especially the Human Rights Council is the joke that doesn’t stop giving. Can’t wait for Somalia and Saudi Arabia to come out with some harsh words about the womens’ rights situation in the US with respect to the 20 cent wage gap and the rape culture among white college frat-boys….

    Maybe North Korea could do some consulting in Australia and the US about humane ways to secure national territory? After all they seem to know a thing about sealing the borders.

    Sorry about the slightly off topic repost of my remarks, but it’s more germane here.

    I can’t resist to remember that today’s November 9, the 26th anniversary of the breaching of the Berlin Wall. I know how much people around here love the idea of walls, but the Antifaschistischer Schutzwall (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistischer_Schutzwall) only worked because of the willingness of the border troops to use lethal force to kill any attempting to illegally cross the boundary. For whatever it’s worth, I doubt that the people would tolerate the media spectacle of that kind of bloodletting for the same reason they can not bear to see one child perishing by drowning in the Mediterranean. As long as there is freedom of the media, the reporters will wield the sentimentality of tragic images. The Camp of the Saints only has its power as long as the mass public can see it.

    What made the breaching of the Berlin Wall possible was that the people of the GDR lost their fear after the clumsy press conference by GDR official Günter Schabowski. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCnter_Schabowski He died last week, but his mistake emboldened the citizens of the GDR to take their hammers and picks to that concrete, when a few hours prior they would have likely been shot for getting that close to the wall.

    Regarding the question of immigration, Americans make too much of the illegal component when the real issue is the total magnitude. Indeed the legal component alone made up of “compassionate” cases of “family unification” may be too much to be overwhelming the American culture, its community and ability to assimilate the newcomers. But nobody even has the courage to question even this legal component. It’s also unfortunate that immigration skeptics are painted as racists. I bear no ill-will to our Mexican neighbors. I wish them peace, prosperity and everything good. I welcome them to visit and hope we can show them our most gracious hospitality during their time here. But I’m probably not alone in expecting them to return home to their own neighborhoods in Mexico where they can build and grow their own country. If the left is right in there being differences to their vibrant diversity, then these differences should be respected, preserved and allowed to develop on their own trajectory in their own territory. Immigration skepticism can be voiced as a positive and compassionate position without animus against those being kept out. I like my my neighbors in my neighborhood. I might invite them to visit for a barbecue, but if they decide to set up camp, expropriate space or change the rules in my home that’s way too much.

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  2. Bill B. says:

    I am never disappointed by the UN.

    What astonishing chutzpah.

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  3. george says:

    Australia migrants: ‘Disturbance’ at Christmas Island detention centre

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-34762988

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  4. And this is why many people don’t take the UN seriously.

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  5. Bill P says:

    It’s funny to hear N. Korea going after Australia about refugees, but it makes a certain amount of sense. N. Korea, after all, has generated the largest refugee flow in E. Asia in recent times. If China hadn’t absorbed all those North Korean refugees from famine, the regime might not have survived. So North Korea has an interest in pressuring countries to accept refugees.

    I saw a lot of them first-hand back in the 90s. Those around my age or a little younger who were still growing during the famine were markedly stunted. I mean really short. Ordinarily Koreans – especially northerners – are relatively tall. My friend’s mother was from what is now North Korean territory and his uncles are all six footers.

    Sweden on the other hand is just pathetic. I hope Sweden’s elites enjoy their moral preening while they still can. The Norwegians and Danes just told them to shove it when they started pouting that all the migrants they invited in should be “shared equally.” As though they’re cookies in a kindergarten fer chrissake…

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    North Korean actively prevents people from leaving. It doesn't have an interest in countries accepting its refugees, and doesn't pressure them to do so. What it does have an interest in is making charges of "human rights" violations whenever it can, because it is one of the regular targets of charges of "human rights" violations.
    , @Anon
    "If China hadn’t absorbed all those North Korean refugees from famine, the regime might not have survived. So North Korea has an interest in pressuring countries to accept refugees."

    Might not have survived? Starving Norks would have overthrown the regime? Gimme a break. NK actually tried to stop the outflow but some got through. But the fact is the vast majority stayed in NK and couldn't go anywhere.

    NK is just making noise because it can. It's really that simple.
    NK may be crazy, but they are conscious enough of the fact that much of UN ideology is 'progressive' and 'anti-racist', and non-white nations can score easy points by attacking white nations. It's like Zimbabwe is a shit country like NK but its monstrous leaders still pontificate about 'racism'.

    NK knows Australia is an US ally. So, it uses this opportunity to attack an enemy nation.

    It's all very sickening and hypocritical, but the West created this climate.
    On the other hand, this PC ideology will likely hurt non-white nations as well.
    If non-white nations uphold the ideal of mass migration, they too can come under the same pressure in the future. Notice that BBC always bitches about how South African blacks are not welcoming to refugees from Zimbabwe.

    And Japan is now under pressure to take refugees.

    The only way to stop this madness is to

    (1) honestly and openly declare that US foreign policy created a giant mess in the Middle East and North Africa.

    (2) globalism may be useful for business but it fails in all other areas as it undermines national sovereignty. The first duty of any nation is to protect its borders and respect the sovereignty of other nations.

    The main force around the world that has violated this principle time and time again since the end of the Cold War is the US.

    We need to talk about US foreign policy. It is crazy, even evil.

    Why stir up a hornet's nest in the Middle East and North Africa just to appease the Sheldon Adelsons and Haim Sabans of the world?

    Enough already.

    And if not for US's crazy Ukraine policy and homo-export policy, US and Russia could be good friends now.
    , @Anonymous

    It’s funny to hear N. Korea going after Australia about refugees, but it makes a certain amount of sense. N. Korea, after all, has generated the largest refugee flow in E. Asia in recent times. If China hadn’t absorbed all those North Korean refugees from famine, the regime might not have survived. So North Korea has an interest in pressuring countries to accept refugees.
     
    North Korea hasn't had a refugee flow since the Korean War, during which the North Korean refugees fled to South Korea. The Koreans in Manchuria predate the establishment of North Korea to when the Korean peninsula and Manchuria were ruled by Japan and further back. There are North Korean escapees in China of course, but the North Korean government tries to prevent them from leaving, and they have an agreement with the Chinese government to extradite them back if caught.
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  6. iSteveFan says:

    the high level of violence against women, and the spread of Islamophobia.

    Doesn’t the high level of violence against women go together with the spread of Islam, which then of course brings about the spread of Islamophobia? Therefore it would seem that preventing the spread of Islam to non-Islamic nations would server to counteract both the high level of violence against women and the spread of Islamophobia.

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    Bangladesh's representative is concerned about our high levels of "Islamophobia" yet wants us to repeal mandatory detention of asylum seekers, the bulk of which are Moslems.

    Perhaps the thinking is that the cure for "Islamophobia" is to accept waves of Moslems indiscriminately.

    , @anon
    I would be very surprised if the level of violence against women didn't largely come from the indigenous people that Australians supposedly treat so poorly.

    But yes. The idea that bringing in more Muslims is going to reduce the amount of violence against women is simply stunning.

    I mean, so many powerful people in the UN, and they all know, but they just go ahead and say it anyway. I should be used to this sort of thing, but Jesus Christ, how do they sleep at night?
    , @Chrisnonymous
    I read that to mean that they wanted a high level of violence against girls. Women are too old to be groomed by Paki pimps. That's what the complaint is about.
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  7. Professor Sarah Joseph of Monash University’s Castan Centre for Human Rights Law and Professor Gillian Triggs, president of the Australian Human Rights Commission also don’t believe that the Racial Discrimination Act goes far enough and urge for wider definition of racial vilification:

    Locked in a war of words to define free speech

    Professor Sarah Joseph

    The definition of intimidation was now too narrow, Joseph said. And the shift in the standard to be applied when deciding if something is intimidating or vilifying becomes that of a reasonable member of the general community rather than a member of the targeted group. That misunderstood how severely some people could be impacted.

    ”But the biggest problem is the exemption which seems to remove all statements made in public debate,” she said. ”There’s no requirement for reasonableness or good faith. It’s an extremely broad exemption.”

    …Gillian Triggs, believes the exemptions are so broad that ”it is difficult to see any circumstances in public that these protections would apply”.

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  8. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Australia is a lackey of the US and its use of “human rights” as a political cudgel and tool of military interventionism. It’s not surprising that some of these countries want to dish out some “human rights” back when they get the chance.

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  9. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Bill P
    It's funny to hear N. Korea going after Australia about refugees, but it makes a certain amount of sense. N. Korea, after all, has generated the largest refugee flow in E. Asia in recent times. If China hadn't absorbed all those North Korean refugees from famine, the regime might not have survived. So North Korea has an interest in pressuring countries to accept refugees.

    I saw a lot of them first-hand back in the 90s. Those around my age or a little younger who were still growing during the famine were markedly stunted. I mean really short. Ordinarily Koreans - especially northerners - are relatively tall. My friend's mother was from what is now North Korean territory and his uncles are all six footers.

    Sweden on the other hand is just pathetic. I hope Sweden's elites enjoy their moral preening while they still can. The Norwegians and Danes just told them to shove it when they started pouting that all the migrants they invited in should be "shared equally." As though they're cookies in a kindergarten fer chrissake...

    North Korean actively prevents people from leaving. It doesn’t have an interest in countries accepting its refugees, and doesn’t pressure them to do so. What it does have an interest in is making charges of “human rights” violations whenever it can, because it is one of the regular targets of charges of “human rights” violations.

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    North Korean actively prevents people from leaving. It doesn’t have an interest in countries accepting its refugees, and doesn’t pressure them to do so.
     
    Although that is the official position, it is not true. The hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of Koreans in NE China are testament to the NK policy of shoving out those it cannot support. Fewer hungry mouths = fewer problems for the Kim dynasty.
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  10. Richard S says:

    Australia should tell them get stuffed and go ahead and set up their own UN, with blackjack and hookers !

    When paragons of respect for human dignity; like Rwanda, Iran and North Korea, are against you, it’s time to have a long hard think about developing your own Bomb..

    The UN is clearly concerned that the Aussies have implemented a democratically popular anti-illegals tactic. This cannot be tolerated!

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    Screw the UN and the blackjack...
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  11. @iSteveFan

    the high level of violence against women, and the spread of Islamophobia.
     
    Doesn't the high level of violence against women go together with the spread of Islam, which then of course brings about the spread of Islamophobia? Therefore it would seem that preventing the spread of Islam to non-Islamic nations would server to counteract both the high level of violence against women and the spread of Islamophobia.

    Bangladesh’s representative is concerned about our high levels of “Islamophobia” yet wants us to repeal mandatory detention of asylum seekers, the bulk of which are Moslems.

    Perhaps the thinking is that the cure for “Islamophobia” is to accept waves of Moslems indiscriminately.

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  12. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    North Korea, Iran, and China are on the UN Human Rights committee?

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  13. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    “North Korea’s representative said his country was ‘seriously concerned at continued maltreatment of and violence against the refugees and asylum seekers’.”

    I thought I woke up. I guess I must still be dreaming.

    PS. Australian migrant policy is totally sane BUT its foreign policy has been insane.
    As a puppet of American neo-imperialism, it has supported actions by US and NATO that brought so much misery to the Middle East.
    Australia also joined with US and EU in targeting/damaging Russia over Ukraine.

    It’s good that Australia isn’t into INVITE. But it also needs to stop supporting the agenda of INVADE. One is tied to the other.

    Russians must enjoy sticking it to Australians who have acted as shills of the US.

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    PS. Australian migrant policy is totally sane BUT its foreign policy has been insane.
    As a puppet of American neo-imperialism.
     
    As an Australian I totally agree. We've been a US puppet since WW2.
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  14. TangoMan says:

    The Australian representative needs to turn the tables, to reframe the issue and charge that the accusers are afraid of diversity and demand that they account for why they hate diversity so much. Australia simply has a different vision, a different viewpoint, from their attackers and the doesn’t want to conform to the uniform, stale, intellectually bankrupt, views held by their accusers.

    Why do Germany and Sweden hate diversity so much that they publicly attack a country that follows a diverse (different) policy than the one they favor? What kind of bigots run Germany and Sweden such that they would attack the principle of diversity so openly?

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    Russia publicly does this all the time. North Korea and Turkey to a lesser extent.
    , @Anonymous

    The Australian representative needs to turn the tables, to reframe the issue and charge that the accusers are afraid of diversity and demand that they account for why they hate diversity so much.
     
    That is what Russia, Iran, North Korea, etc. are doing here. Since they're usually the targets of vilification and coordinated human rights campaigns by Western liberals, they like to turn the tables when they can. This sort of thing goes back to the Cold War, where the US would complain about human rights abuses in the USSR, and the USSR would respond by saying how the US was racist against blacks, etc.
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  15. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Bill P
    It's funny to hear N. Korea going after Australia about refugees, but it makes a certain amount of sense. N. Korea, after all, has generated the largest refugee flow in E. Asia in recent times. If China hadn't absorbed all those North Korean refugees from famine, the regime might not have survived. So North Korea has an interest in pressuring countries to accept refugees.

    I saw a lot of them first-hand back in the 90s. Those around my age or a little younger who were still growing during the famine were markedly stunted. I mean really short. Ordinarily Koreans - especially northerners - are relatively tall. My friend's mother was from what is now North Korean territory and his uncles are all six footers.

    Sweden on the other hand is just pathetic. I hope Sweden's elites enjoy their moral preening while they still can. The Norwegians and Danes just told them to shove it when they started pouting that all the migrants they invited in should be "shared equally." As though they're cookies in a kindergarten fer chrissake...

    “If China hadn’t absorbed all those North Korean refugees from famine, the regime might not have survived. So North Korea has an interest in pressuring countries to accept refugees.”

    Might not have survived? Starving Norks would have overthrown the regime? Gimme a break. NK actually tried to stop the outflow but some got through. But the fact is the vast majority stayed in NK and couldn’t go anywhere.

    NK is just making noise because it can. It’s really that simple.
    NK may be crazy, but they are conscious enough of the fact that much of UN ideology is ‘progressive’ and ‘anti-racist’, and non-white nations can score easy points by attacking white nations. It’s like Zimbabwe is a shit country like NK but its monstrous leaders still pontificate about ‘racism’.

    NK knows Australia is an US ally. So, it uses this opportunity to attack an enemy nation.

    It’s all very sickening and hypocritical, but the West created this climate.
    On the other hand, this PC ideology will likely hurt non-white nations as well.
    If non-white nations uphold the ideal of mass migration, they too can come under the same pressure in the future. Notice that BBC always bitches about how South African blacks are not welcoming to refugees from Zimbabwe.

    And Japan is now under pressure to take refugees.

    The only way to stop this madness is to

    (1) honestly and openly declare that US foreign policy created a giant mess in the Middle East and North Africa.

    (2) globalism may be useful for business but it fails in all other areas as it undermines national sovereignty. The first duty of any nation is to protect its borders and respect the sovereignty of other nations.

    The main force around the world that has violated this principle time and time again since the end of the Cold War is the US.

    We need to talk about US foreign policy. It is crazy, even evil.

    Why stir up a hornet’s nest in the Middle East and North Africa just to appease the Sheldon Adelsons and Haim Sabans of the world?

    Enough already.

    And if not for US’s crazy Ukraine policy and homo-export policy, US and Russia could be good friends now.

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  16. I think the critical countries should be leading by example and take those refugees themselves and show the world how to treat them properly.

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  17. Bill B. says:

    From a juicy choice of targets take Bangladesh.

    It has for decades refused to process Rohingya “refugees” despite them being ethnic Bengali and despite the fact that many entered Myanmar from Bangladesh in the wartime/ post-war period.

    Indeed the Rohingya in Bangladesh are so unwelcome they are suckers for local traffickers who also take great numbers of ordinary Bangladesh who then claim to be Rohingya.)

    (They speak a mild variant of mainstream Bengali and do not mix well with the local Arakan/Rakhine population or the ethnic Burmese in that corner of Myanmar. Some Rohingya have lived in Myanmar, close to Bangladesh for a long time.)

    Bangladesh wants its own economic migrants sent out into the world to gather remittances to be treated humanely but:

    Agence France-Presse
    Sunday 14 June 2015 06.49 BST

    The remote Bangladeshi island of Thengar Char disappears completely under several feet of water at high tide, and has no roads or flood defences.

    But that hasn’t stopped the government from proposing to relocate thousands of Rohingya refugees living in camps in the south-eastern district of Cox’s Bazar which borders Burma to its marshy shores.

    Bangladesh said last month it was looking to move the around 32,000 registered refugees – in part because they were hampering tourism in the coastal resort district – home to the world’s longest unbroken beach.

    The proposal has been met with alarm from leaders of the Rohingya, who began arriving more than two decades ago after fleeing persecution in Burma, and whose desperate search for a secure homeland has recently been thrown into the spotlight by a regional smuggling crisis.”

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  18. E. Harding says: • Website
    @TangoMan
    The Australian representative needs to turn the tables, to reframe the issue and charge that the accusers are afraid of diversity and demand that they account for why they hate diversity so much. Australia simply has a different vision, a different viewpoint, from their attackers and the doesn't want to conform to the uniform, stale, intellectually bankrupt, views held by their accusers.

    Why do Germany and Sweden hate diversity so much that they publicly attack a country that follows a diverse (different) policy than the one they favor? What kind of bigots run Germany and Sweden such that they would attack the principle of diversity so openly?

    Russia publicly does this all the time. North Korea and Turkey to a lesser extent.

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  19. eah says:

    Australia’s delegation

    Why bother to show up for such an absurd extravaganza of white guilt and pathological altruism? — it’s such a long trip from Australia — and it’s springtime back home.

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  20. I am so ashamed to be an Australian today.

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  21. Ivy says:

    An Aussie commenter a few weeks ago had a brilliant timeline that exposed past attempts by immigration bullies. I wish I could find it to post, as it should be Exhibit A not only in the Oz case but also in others around the globe.

    If someone knows of that post, please add a comment with a link.
    thanks!

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  22. SFG says:

    How much can they hurt Australia? Can it survive an embargo?

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  23. “grant refugees their full rights”

    Australia is granting “refugees” precisely their full rights — and far more rights than anybody would grant any fleeing Australian if these UN creatures had their way and swamped the country with Muslims.

    Less than their full rights would mean sinking the boats.

    But let’s not forget that we created this mess with the Green Revolution and modern weapons. If we had left the third world to their own miserable devices, there would be plenty of room for all of them, and they’d be persecuting each other with much less efficiency.

    Not that this justifies letting them extinguish civilization for the next 1,00 years or more.

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  24. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @iSteveFan

    the high level of violence against women, and the spread of Islamophobia.
     
    Doesn't the high level of violence against women go together with the spread of Islam, which then of course brings about the spread of Islamophobia? Therefore it would seem that preventing the spread of Islam to non-Islamic nations would server to counteract both the high level of violence against women and the spread of Islamophobia.

    I would be very surprised if the level of violence against women didn’t largely come from the indigenous people that Australians supposedly treat so poorly.

    But yes. The idea that bringing in more Muslims is going to reduce the amount of violence against women is simply stunning.

    I mean, so many powerful people in the UN, and they all know, but they just go ahead and say it anyway. I should be used to this sort of thing, but Jesus Christ, how do they sleep at night?

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  25. @iSteveFan

    the high level of violence against women, and the spread of Islamophobia.
     
    Doesn't the high level of violence against women go together with the spread of Islam, which then of course brings about the spread of Islamophobia? Therefore it would seem that preventing the spread of Islam to non-Islamic nations would server to counteract both the high level of violence against women and the spread of Islamophobia.

    I read that to mean that they wanted a high level of violence against girls. Women are too old to be groomed by Paki pimps. That’s what the complaint is about.

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  26. NOTA says:

    An embargo is expensive and invites retaliation. A lot of empty words about human rights from countries that employ large numbers of torturers, that’s cheap.

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  27. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @TangoMan
    The Australian representative needs to turn the tables, to reframe the issue and charge that the accusers are afraid of diversity and demand that they account for why they hate diversity so much. Australia simply has a different vision, a different viewpoint, from their attackers and the doesn't want to conform to the uniform, stale, intellectually bankrupt, views held by their accusers.

    Why do Germany and Sweden hate diversity so much that they publicly attack a country that follows a diverse (different) policy than the one they favor? What kind of bigots run Germany and Sweden such that they would attack the principle of diversity so openly?

    The Australian representative needs to turn the tables, to reframe the issue and charge that the accusers are afraid of diversity and demand that they account for why they hate diversity so much.

    That is what Russia, Iran, North Korea, etc. are doing here. Since they’re usually the targets of vilification and coordinated human rights campaigns by Western liberals, they like to turn the tables when they can. This sort of thing goes back to the Cold War, where the US would complain about human rights abuses in the USSR, and the USSR would respond by saying how the US was racist against blacks, etc.

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    That is what Russia, Iran, North Korea, etc. are doing here. Since they’re usually the targets of vilification and coordinated human rights campaigns by Western liberals, they like to turn the tables when they can.
     
    I can't blame them for doing that.
    , @TangoMan
    No one pays attention to Iran or NK, and even Russian statements are taken with a grain of salt, which is why I focused on Germany and Sweden.

    Moral preeners hate being put on the defensive regarding being anti-diversity. Such an attack serves two purposes, 1.) it puts the spotlight on the fact that diversity is not some uni-directional concept which always and only aligns with multiculturalist viewpoints and 2.) it elevates the moral position of Australia's policy to be on par with the multiculturalist viewpoint. Preserving Australian culture enhances diversity in the world and surely Germany and Sweden are not opposed to increased levels of diversity in the world.

    There is internal diversity (all countries have a mishmash of cultures inhabiting the land within their borders) and there is external diversity (Japanese culture is different from Finnish culture) but the problem is that modern usage of the term diversity only refers to internal diversity and there is a lot of moral preening and symbolism attached to the term, so hijack that moral preening and symbolism and attach it to the concept of external diversity and make like Germany and Sweden are pariahs for opposing "diversity" (external form, not internal form.) Why do Germany and Sweden want to eradicate diversity in the world? Are they a nation of monsters?
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  28. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Anon
    "North Korea’s representative said his country was 'seriously concerned at continued maltreatment of and violence against the refugees and asylum seekers'."

    I thought I woke up. I guess I must still be dreaming.

    PS. Australian migrant policy is totally sane BUT its foreign policy has been insane.
    As a puppet of American neo-imperialism, it has supported actions by US and NATO that brought so much misery to the Middle East.
    Australia also joined with US and EU in targeting/damaging Russia over Ukraine.

    It's good that Australia isn't into INVITE. But it also needs to stop supporting the agenda of INVADE. One is tied to the other.

    Russians must enjoy sticking it to Australians who have acted as shills of the US.

    PS. Australian migrant policy is totally sane BUT its foreign policy has been insane.
    As a puppet of American neo-imperialism.

    As an Australian I totally agree. We’ve been a US puppet since WW2.

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    Can I say thank you, because rightly or wrongly, the Australians have fought with us time and again. Great allies that I don't ever hear get any credit. Wish we would copy your border stance as well.
    , @Whiskey
    The Americans who died saving your country from rule by the Japanese would disagree. Without the sacrifice of hundreds of thousands of Americans, Australia would have been nothing more than a giant prison camp run by the Japanese.

    Since WWII, Australia lacking the population and means to adequately arm themselves have depended on the US nuclear and naval umbrella. Otherwise China or Russia or even Indonesia would have destroyed them or took them over.

    Absent US nuclear and naval guarantees, what is to stop China from simply invading Australia, killing most of the men, enslaving the rest, and taking the women for their men without women? Given China's massive sex differential.

    Australians live in a dangerous neighborhood without the means to protect themselves on their own. The VERY LEAST Australians can do is fight alongside America when called given that their freedom is paid for by Americans. Aussies can't defend themselves.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    As an Australian I totally agree. We’ve been a US puppet since WW2.

     

    Yes, but the US was the puppet of the British Empire in both world wars. So you started it!
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  29. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    The Australian representative needs to turn the tables, to reframe the issue and charge that the accusers are afraid of diversity and demand that they account for why they hate diversity so much.
     
    That is what Russia, Iran, North Korea, etc. are doing here. Since they're usually the targets of vilification and coordinated human rights campaigns by Western liberals, they like to turn the tables when they can. This sort of thing goes back to the Cold War, where the US would complain about human rights abuses in the USSR, and the USSR would respond by saying how the US was racist against blacks, etc.

    That is what Russia, Iran, North Korea, etc. are doing here. Since they’re usually the targets of vilification and coordinated human rights campaigns by Western liberals, they like to turn the tables when they can.

    I can’t blame them for doing that.

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  30. Bill P says:
    @Anonymous
    North Korean actively prevents people from leaving. It doesn't have an interest in countries accepting its refugees, and doesn't pressure them to do so. What it does have an interest in is making charges of "human rights" violations whenever it can, because it is one of the regular targets of charges of "human rights" violations.

    North Korean actively prevents people from leaving. It doesn’t have an interest in countries accepting its refugees, and doesn’t pressure them to do so.

    Although that is the official position, it is not true. The hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of Koreans in NE China are testament to the NK policy of shoving out those it cannot support. Fewer hungry mouths = fewer problems for the Kim dynasty.

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    The Korean population in NE China is mainly from before North Korea was established. There were lots of North Korean refugees during the Korean War, but they primarily fled to South Korea.
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  31. Nick Miller has an interesting follow up take (perhaps he was asked to write a clarifying article?) on the whole absurdity: Australia lectured on human rights abuses by a rogues’ gallery of abusers

    After pointing out the obvious hypocrisy of the over 100 nations, who “For precisely one minute and five seconds each, over a couple of hours, nation after nation “had a go” in the United Nations Palais des Nations in Geneva.” the conclusion is:

    We should judge the criticisms of other nations on their substance, not the critics’ “previous” history.

    Or we’d be hypocrites ourselves, for ever attempting to make the outside world a better place before making our own backyard immaculate.

    If we are to reject its recommendations, we should have good reasons why.
    And “Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye” is not a good reason.

    So, there you have it; the official Oz Left’s take on the farce.

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  32. TangoMan says:
    @Anonymous

    The Australian representative needs to turn the tables, to reframe the issue and charge that the accusers are afraid of diversity and demand that they account for why they hate diversity so much.
     
    That is what Russia, Iran, North Korea, etc. are doing here. Since they're usually the targets of vilification and coordinated human rights campaigns by Western liberals, they like to turn the tables when they can. This sort of thing goes back to the Cold War, where the US would complain about human rights abuses in the USSR, and the USSR would respond by saying how the US was racist against blacks, etc.

    No one pays attention to Iran or NK, and even Russian statements are taken with a grain of salt, which is why I focused on Germany and Sweden.

    Moral preeners hate being put on the defensive regarding being anti-diversity. Such an attack serves two purposes, 1.) it puts the spotlight on the fact that diversity is not some uni-directional concept which always and only aligns with multiculturalist viewpoints and 2.) it elevates the moral position of Australia’s policy to be on par with the multiculturalist viewpoint. Preserving Australian culture enhances diversity in the world and surely Germany and Sweden are not opposed to increased levels of diversity in the world.

    There is internal diversity (all countries have a mishmash of cultures inhabiting the land within their borders) and there is external diversity (Japanese culture is different from Finnish culture) but the problem is that modern usage of the term diversity only refers to internal diversity and there is a lot of moral preening and symbolism attached to the term, so hijack that moral preening and symbolism and attach it to the concept of external diversity and make like Germany and Sweden are pariahs for opposing “diversity” (external form, not internal form.) Why do Germany and Sweden want to eradicate diversity in the world? Are they a nation of monsters?

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  33. Rob McX says:

    The UN is the most poisonously anti-white organisation in existence. It’s the essence of quantity over quality – a shrinking minority of white countries being lectured and bullied by the representatives of the planet’s exploding population of non-whites.

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  34. “Islamophobia” , a phrase uttered by Islamosupremacists and their Western usefull idiots.

    The Aus UN Ambassodor should have told the Chinese : how goes your genocide of Tibetans and Uighurs.

    So when are Germany and Sweden going to castigate Saudi, Kuwait,UAE,Bahrain,Qatar,Oman and Israel for not doing their part in settling Syrian refugees like Europe is doing/

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    Send the invading hordes to Japan and Israel. Or maybe send them to the areas where the elites live.

    I find the current situation disheartening, but it's nice to see all the government lovers getting ass-raped again by their governments.

    Man, he'll never learn.
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  35. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Bill P
    It's funny to hear N. Korea going after Australia about refugees, but it makes a certain amount of sense. N. Korea, after all, has generated the largest refugee flow in E. Asia in recent times. If China hadn't absorbed all those North Korean refugees from famine, the regime might not have survived. So North Korea has an interest in pressuring countries to accept refugees.

    I saw a lot of them first-hand back in the 90s. Those around my age or a little younger who were still growing during the famine were markedly stunted. I mean really short. Ordinarily Koreans - especially northerners - are relatively tall. My friend's mother was from what is now North Korean territory and his uncles are all six footers.

    Sweden on the other hand is just pathetic. I hope Sweden's elites enjoy their moral preening while they still can. The Norwegians and Danes just told them to shove it when they started pouting that all the migrants they invited in should be "shared equally." As though they're cookies in a kindergarten fer chrissake...

    It’s funny to hear N. Korea going after Australia about refugees, but it makes a certain amount of sense. N. Korea, after all, has generated the largest refugee flow in E. Asia in recent times. If China hadn’t absorbed all those North Korean refugees from famine, the regime might not have survived. So North Korea has an interest in pressuring countries to accept refugees.

    North Korea hasn’t had a refugee flow since the Korean War, during which the North Korean refugees fled to South Korea. The Koreans in Manchuria predate the establishment of North Korea to when the Korean peninsula and Manchuria were ruled by Japan and further back. There are North Korean escapees in China of course, but the North Korean government tries to prevent them from leaving, and they have an agreement with the Chinese government to extradite them back if caught.

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    North Korea hasn’t had a refugee flow since the Korean War, during which the North Korean refugees fled to South Korea.
     
    That simply isn't true. There was a very significant refugee flow during the famine. China was silent about it, but there they were. There were entire apartment blocks filled with NK refugees in my neighborhood in Beijing.

    I worked for a Korean company for a while, so I had an inside view of what was going on. One thing that struck me was that the Korean community in China is very Christian, and actively proselytizes throughout NE China, and maybe even across the border in NK. The Christian communities provide the refugees with cover and support. It's a problem for both the NK and Chinese government, and I think it might have something to do with Chinese sawing down crosses on churches recently.
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  36. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Bill P

    North Korean actively prevents people from leaving. It doesn’t have an interest in countries accepting its refugees, and doesn’t pressure them to do so.
     
    Although that is the official position, it is not true. The hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of Koreans in NE China are testament to the NK policy of shoving out those it cannot support. Fewer hungry mouths = fewer problems for the Kim dynasty.

    The Korean population in NE China is mainly from before North Korea was established. There were lots of North Korean refugees during the Korean War, but they primarily fled to South Korea.

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  37. I think Western governments are converging on a heretofore undiscovered moral principle: that it is only right and proper to lie back and allow population pressure to retake its rightful place as the predominant force driving human history. To do anything to stand in its way would be to interfere with God’s plan.

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  38. Here’s a thought experiment: What if everyone in 3rd world who wants to come here goes on a hunger strike and swears they will only eat food within the border of a white country. Unless we go to them and transport them here they will starve to death. If you balk at the idea of a heroic mass airlift sparing no expense, then you are effectively advocating the death by slow starvation of millions.

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    Well I would rather pay for the airlift of food than mass immigration. Countries like Canada, Russia, Australia, Brazil and Argentina should maintain their ability to produce a lot of food even at some cost to their own economic development and standard of living.

    As for diversity. Pro-immigrationists want Alpha-diversity. Each country to be a microcosm of the world's population. Anti-immigartionists want Beta-diversity. The world's total diversity increases if individual countries have their own cultures, languages and religions.

    , @Reg Cæsar

    Here’s a thought experiment: What if everyone in 3rd world who wants to come here goes on a hunger strike and swears they will only eat food within the border of a white country.
     
    Mrs Thatcher showed the world how to handle hunger strikers.
    , @Zed, Lord of the Brutals
    Good. And tell them they suck as a travel agent, this guilt trip isn't leaving the ground.

    If they become insistent, the proper answer is "Fuck you." Always being willing to escalate.
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  39. Anon87 says:
    @dfordoom

    PS. Australian migrant policy is totally sane BUT its foreign policy has been insane.
    As a puppet of American neo-imperialism.
     
    As an Australian I totally agree. We've been a US puppet since WW2.

    Can I say thank you, because rightly or wrongly, the Australians have fought with us time and again. Great allies that I don’t ever hear get any credit. Wish we would copy your border stance as well.

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    Agree. The Aussies, and the South Koreans, fought with us in Vietnam. It is good to have friends even if the cause is, um, don't know what to say here . . .
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  40. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    These are proxy wars between the US led liberal internationalist/globalists and the authoritarian states. The lib internationalists/globalists have weaponized human rights ideology, and the authoritarians try to fight back in this arena of political lawfare when they can. Australia seems to be in an unfortunate position because in general it doesn’t seem that interested in being a leading proponent of globalism and human rights ideology, but goes along with the US for understandable reasons and gets caught in the cross-fire:

    “UN votes against North Korea on human rights”

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/18/world/asia/un-north-korea-vote/index.html

    A United Nations General Assembly committee Tuesday voted in favor of a draft resolution referring North Korea to the International Criminal Court for crimes against humanity as well as “targeted sanctions” for rampant human rights abuses.

    Opponents of the resolution — including China, Russia and Cuba — said the measure was politically manipulated and would set a precedent for other nations to be targeted in the future.

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  41. AKAHorace says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome
    Here's a thought experiment: What if everyone in 3rd world who wants to come here goes on a hunger strike and swears they will only eat food within the border of a white country. Unless we go to them and transport them here they will starve to death. If you balk at the idea of a heroic mass airlift sparing no expense, then you are effectively advocating the death by slow starvation of millions.

    Well I would rather pay for the airlift of food than mass immigration. Countries like Canada, Russia, Australia, Brazil and Argentina should maintain their ability to produce a lot of food even at some cost to their own economic development and standard of living.

    As for diversity. Pro-immigrationists want Alpha-diversity. Each country to be a microcosm of the world’s population. Anti-immigartionists want Beta-diversity. The world’s total diversity increases if individual countries have their own cultures, languages and religions.

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    Those behind pro-immigration want to breakdown the resistance to a world government.

    To put in place a worldwide government you have overcome ingroup-outgroup morality. Anthropogenic global warming was an outgroup threat to everyone, making everyone the ingroup - it is failing. World war is not an option.

    So along comes mass relocations of populations, mostly from the surfeit of bodies that find it difficult to create an advanced technological civilization, as the beginning of the process of turning as many ingroups as possible into the same ingroup.

    In a blink of evolutionary time you'll have turned different ingroups into the same group of morons who are amenable to a world government.

    Voila, success!
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  42. @Anon87
    Can I say thank you, because rightly or wrongly, the Australians have fought with us time and again. Great allies that I don't ever hear get any credit. Wish we would copy your border stance as well.

    Agree. The Aussies, and the South Koreans, fought with us in Vietnam. It is good to have friends even if the cause is, um, don’t know what to say here . . .

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    The cause was resisting communism, the greatest of all crimes against humanity.
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  43. Tony says:

    So these third world hellholes are lecturing Australia on human rights.Whats next, Hillary Clinton giving lectures on email in the workplace.

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    Whats next, Hillary Clinton giving lectures on email in the workplace.
     
    Has her husband sent his third one yet?
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  44. Whiskey says: • Website
    @dfordoom

    PS. Australian migrant policy is totally sane BUT its foreign policy has been insane.
    As a puppet of American neo-imperialism.
     
    As an Australian I totally agree. We've been a US puppet since WW2.

    The Americans who died saving your country from rule by the Japanese would disagree. Without the sacrifice of hundreds of thousands of Americans, Australia would have been nothing more than a giant prison camp run by the Japanese.

    Since WWII, Australia lacking the population and means to adequately arm themselves have depended on the US nuclear and naval umbrella. Otherwise China or Russia or even Indonesia would have destroyed them or took them over.

    Absent US nuclear and naval guarantees, what is to stop China from simply invading Australia, killing most of the men, enslaving the rest, and taking the women for their men without women? Given China’s massive sex differential.

    Australians live in a dangerous neighborhood without the means to protect themselves on their own. The VERY LEAST Australians can do is fight alongside America when called given that their freedom is paid for by Americans. Aussies can’t defend themselves.

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    The VERY LEAST Australians can do is fight alongside America when called given that their freedom is paid for by Americans.
     
    If we're going to be part of the US Empire and if we're going to be used as cannon fodder in your never-ending wars of aggression the VERY LEAST you could do would be to offer us statehood so that at least we'd get a small say in our own destiny.
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  45. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Here's a thought experiment: What if everyone in 3rd world who wants to come here goes on a hunger strike and swears they will only eat food within the border of a white country. Unless we go to them and transport them here they will starve to death. If you balk at the idea of a heroic mass airlift sparing no expense, then you are effectively advocating the death by slow starvation of millions.

    Here’s a thought experiment: What if everyone in 3rd world who wants to come here goes on a hunger strike and swears they will only eat food within the border of a white country.

    Mrs Thatcher showed the world how to handle hunger strikers.

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  46. @dfordoom

    PS. Australian migrant policy is totally sane BUT its foreign policy has been insane.
    As a puppet of American neo-imperialism.
     
    As an Australian I totally agree. We've been a US puppet since WW2.

    As an Australian I totally agree. We’ve been a US puppet since WW2.

    Yes, but the US was the puppet of the British Empire in both world wars. So you started it!

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    WWI? Yes, but tangentially. WWII? No. FDR embargoed Japanese oil, ensuring war. The Brits were interested bystanders, but FDR did not answer to London. His motivations were far "above" British interests.
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  47. @Tony
    So these third world hellholes are lecturing Australia on human rights.Whats next, Hillary Clinton giving lectures on email in the workplace.

    Whats next, Hillary Clinton giving lectures on email in the workplace.

    Has her husband sent his third one yet?

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  48. @greysquirrell
    "Islamophobia" , a phrase uttered by Islamosupremacists and their Western usefull idiots.

    The Aus UN Ambassodor should have told the Chinese : how goes your genocide of Tibetans and Uighurs.

    So when are Germany and Sweden going to castigate Saudi, Kuwait,UAE,Bahrain,Qatar,Oman and Israel for not doing their part in settling Syrian refugees like Europe is doing/

    Send the invading hordes to Japan and Israel. Or maybe send them to the areas where the elites live.

    I find the current situation disheartening, but it’s nice to see all the government lovers getting ass-raped again by their governments.

    Man, he’ll never learn.

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  49. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    If large-scale illegal immigration into a nation can’t be stopped effectively and efficiently, why even have things like Homeland Security? A country that can’t stop illegal immigrants can’t possibly stop terrorists entering as illegal immigrants.

    We have way too much government dedicated to willful failure.

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    What you consider failure is success to government.
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  50. @AKAHorace
    Well I would rather pay for the airlift of food than mass immigration. Countries like Canada, Russia, Australia, Brazil and Argentina should maintain their ability to produce a lot of food even at some cost to their own economic development and standard of living.

    As for diversity. Pro-immigrationists want Alpha-diversity. Each country to be a microcosm of the world's population. Anti-immigartionists want Beta-diversity. The world's total diversity increases if individual countries have their own cultures, languages and religions.

    Those behind pro-immigration want to breakdown the resistance to a world government.

    To put in place a worldwide government you have overcome ingroup-outgroup morality. Anthropogenic global warming was an outgroup threat to everyone, making everyone the ingroup – it is failing. World war is not an option.

    So along comes mass relocations of populations, mostly from the surfeit of bodies that find it difficult to create an advanced technological civilization, as the beginning of the process of turning as many ingroups as possible into the same ingroup.

    In a blink of evolutionary time you’ll have turned different ingroups into the same group of morons who are amenable to a world government.

    Voila, success!

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  51. @anonymous
    If large-scale illegal immigration into a nation can't be stopped effectively and efficiently, why even have things like Homeland Security? A country that can't stop illegal immigrants can't possibly stop terrorists entering as illegal immigrants.

    We have way too much government dedicated to willful failure.

    What you consider failure is success to government.

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  52. @Jim Don Bob
    Agree. The Aussies, and the South Koreans, fought with us in Vietnam. It is good to have friends even if the cause is, um, don't know what to say here . . .

    The cause was resisting communism, the greatest of all crimes against humanity.

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  53. @Reg Cæsar

    As an Australian I totally agree. We’ve been a US puppet since WW2.

     

    Yes, but the US was the puppet of the British Empire in both world wars. So you started it!

    WWI? Yes, but tangentially. WWII? No. FDR embargoed Japanese oil, ensuring war. The Brits were interested bystanders, but FDR did not answer to London. His motivations were far “above” British interests.

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    My main point was that the rest of the Anglosphere has no business complaining about aggressive American foreign policy. Their grandfathers and great-grandfathers bitched just as loudly when America didn't go to war. As if "isolationist" was a bad word.

    It's like those Parisians who also complain, while naming boulevards after our worst presidents.
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  54. Apparently there are a number of New Zealand criminals being held on the Christmas Island detention centre. The NZ left has been harassing the NZ government for not showing more concern about these New Zealand criminals being held alongside illegal immigrants and tacitly supporting the use of Christmas Island as detention centre by the Australian government.

    The leader of New Zealand’s centre-right government, John Key finally snapped in parliament today after having being bombared with abuse from human rights lawyers and left-wing politicians:

    http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/mps-walk-out-after-row-over-detainees/ar-CCabn4?ocid=spartandhp

    It’s nice to see a cuckservative flipping out over political correctness.

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  55. Wilkey says:

    Australia should come out and flatly state “Our immigration policy will be modeled after, and no more generous than, the immigration policies of Israel and Japan.”

    Whenever they are asked about any aspect of their immigration laws they should simply repeat that phrase – over and over and over again. To attack Australia the UN and MSM would have to attack Israel and Japan.

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  56. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    It just shows the enormous uphill battle immigration control advocates are up against.

    The objections of North Korea and Russia can be dismissed with deserved contempt.
    Those of Bangladesh and Iran can be dismissed on the grounds that these nations desperately want to offload their surplus people onto others.

    However, the objections of Germany, France etc are harder to understand. Here we have nations that will be, very obviously, racially replaced in the next few decades if they adhere to the same ‘liberal’ policies. One would have thought that by this 11th hour they would have realised this, but no.

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    Don't forget his spouse Curtis Yee has long had gay sex with various Vietnamese in cooperation of our strategic alliance.

    You should check out how many of your ambassadors are complete and utter fags sometime. It tells one something.

    We fought together in World War Two!!!

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  57. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Here's a thought experiment: What if everyone in 3rd world who wants to come here goes on a hunger strike and swears they will only eat food within the border of a white country. Unless we go to them and transport them here they will starve to death. If you balk at the idea of a heroic mass airlift sparing no expense, then you are effectively advocating the death by slow starvation of millions.

    Good. And tell them they suck as a travel agent, this guilt trip isn’t leaving the ground.

    If they become insistent, the proper answer is “Fuck you.” Always being willing to escalate.

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  58. @Anonymous
    It just shows the enormous uphill battle immigration control advocates are up against.

    The objections of North Korea and Russia can be dismissed with deserved contempt.
    Those of Bangladesh and Iran can be dismissed on the grounds that these nations desperately want to offload their surplus people onto others.

    However, the objections of Germany, France etc are harder to understand. Here we have nations that will be, very obviously, racially replaced in the next few decades if they adhere to the same 'liberal' policies. One would have thought that by this 11th hour they would have realised this, but no.

    Don’t forget his spouse Curtis Yee has long had gay sex with various Vietnamese in cooperation of our strategic alliance.

    You should check out how many of your ambassadors are complete and utter fags sometime. It tells one something.

    We fought together in World War Two!!!

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  59. Trade! and Investment!

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  60. Felix. says:

    There looks to be a concerted effort afoot to attack Australia’s refugee policy. This attack seems to have been triggered by Abbott’s replacement as Australian PM by whatever that Cuck!’s name is. I think it’s safe to say TPTB are taking this opportunity to either A) cooperate with the Cuck! by providing him with an excuse as to why he must repeal the policy or B)not necessarily outright colluding with the Cuck! but trying to nudge him in the direction he is personally inclined to go in any case, albeit against prevailing opinion both public and in his own party.

    Regardless of what the exact case may be, it’s basically a given that Australia’s boat policy will not be in force 12 months from now. Things are accelerating all across the board. I once thought the elites will just ride the wave of gradual demographic transition over the course of the next 30-40 years, but with the situation in Europe and with the anti-white narrative in the US becoming more and more genocidal seemingly by the month, it seems they want things to come to a head sooner rather than later. I guess today’s elites think the critical mass is here already and there is no further need for massive delayed gratification. The seeds have been sown by the post-WWII generation of subversives and the current generation seems bent on reaping them rather than handing it off to the next generation for enjoyment. Let’s just hope in their haste to sample the product of their labors they did not wait long enough and the fruit is still not ripe enough for the picking. If it is ripe enough, things will get really really ugly for “us.”

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  62. Bill P says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s funny to hear N. Korea going after Australia about refugees, but it makes a certain amount of sense. N. Korea, after all, has generated the largest refugee flow in E. Asia in recent times. If China hadn’t absorbed all those North Korean refugees from famine, the regime might not have survived. So North Korea has an interest in pressuring countries to accept refugees.
     
    North Korea hasn't had a refugee flow since the Korean War, during which the North Korean refugees fled to South Korea. The Koreans in Manchuria predate the establishment of North Korea to when the Korean peninsula and Manchuria were ruled by Japan and further back. There are North Korean escapees in China of course, but the North Korean government tries to prevent them from leaving, and they have an agreement with the Chinese government to extradite them back if caught.

    North Korea hasn’t had a refugee flow since the Korean War, during which the North Korean refugees fled to South Korea.

    That simply isn’t true. There was a very significant refugee flow during the famine. China was silent about it, but there they were. There were entire apartment blocks filled with NK refugees in my neighborhood in Beijing.

    I worked for a Korean company for a while, so I had an inside view of what was going on. One thing that struck me was that the Korean community in China is very Christian, and actively proselytizes throughout NE China, and maybe even across the border in NK. The Christian communities provide the refugees with cover and support. It’s a problem for both the NK and Chinese government, and I think it might have something to do with Chinese sawing down crosses on churches recently.

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  63. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    WWI? Yes, but tangentially. WWII? No. FDR embargoed Japanese oil, ensuring war. The Brits were interested bystanders, but FDR did not answer to London. His motivations were far "above" British interests.

    My main point was that the rest of the Anglosphere has no business complaining about aggressive American foreign policy. Their grandfathers and great-grandfathers bitched just as loudly when America didn’t go to war. As if “isolationist” was a bad word.

    It’s like those Parisians who also complain, while naming boulevards after our worst presidents.

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  64. @Richard S
    Australia should tell them get stuffed and go ahead and set up their own UN, with blackjack and hookers !

    When paragons of respect for human dignity; like Rwanda, Iran and North Korea, are against you, it's time to have a long hard think about developing your own Bomb..

    The UN is clearly concerned that the Aussies have implemented a democratically popular anti-illegals tactic. This cannot be tolerated!

    Screw the UN and the blackjack…

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    Actually, sorry. That can't possibly be how the line ended in the original or it wouldn't have been on TV, not even Fox.

    It must have been, "Forget the X and the blackjack"
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  65. @random observer
    Screw the UN and the blackjack...

    Actually, sorry. That can’t possibly be how the line ended in the original or it wouldn’t have been on TV, not even Fox.

    It must have been, “Forget the X and the blackjack”

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  66. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The real problem is the continued existence and growth of the UN. The US should withdraw and expel it from the country because it is a rival government seeking to usurp our sovereignty.

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  67. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Whiskey
    The Americans who died saving your country from rule by the Japanese would disagree. Without the sacrifice of hundreds of thousands of Americans, Australia would have been nothing more than a giant prison camp run by the Japanese.

    Since WWII, Australia lacking the population and means to adequately arm themselves have depended on the US nuclear and naval umbrella. Otherwise China or Russia or even Indonesia would have destroyed them or took them over.

    Absent US nuclear and naval guarantees, what is to stop China from simply invading Australia, killing most of the men, enslaving the rest, and taking the women for their men without women? Given China's massive sex differential.

    Australians live in a dangerous neighborhood without the means to protect themselves on their own. The VERY LEAST Australians can do is fight alongside America when called given that their freedom is paid for by Americans. Aussies can't defend themselves.

    The VERY LEAST Australians can do is fight alongside America when called given that their freedom is paid for by Americans.

    If we’re going to be part of the US Empire and if we’re going to be used as cannon fodder in your never-ending wars of aggression the VERY LEAST you could do would be to offer us statehood so that at least we’d get a small say in our own destiny.

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