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To Bill Gates’ credit, he periodically announces that some education reform fad boondoggle he has credulously financed has failed empirically. For example, in the 2000s he dropped a huge amount of money on “small learning communities,” but then in 2009 came the news:

Bill Gates Admits He’s Blown $2 Billion on Ayers Brothers Small Schools Boondoggle

And now, from Education Week:

‘An Expensive Experiment’: Gates Teacher-Effectiveness Program Shows No Gains for Students
By Madeline Will
June 21, 2018

The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s multi-million-dollar, multi-year effort aimed at making teachers more effective largely fell short of its goal to increase student achievement—including among low-income and minority students, a new study found.

This conclusion to an expensive chapter of teacher-evaluation reform shows the difficulty of making sweeping, lasting changes to teacher performance. The results also demonstrate the challenges of getting schools and teachers to embrace big changes, especially when state and local policies are in flux.

The evaluation of the program, released today, was conducted by the RAND Corporation …

So good for Bill for hiring RAND instead of some Ed School to crunch the numbers on his brainstorm.

Here’s a proposal for Bill Gates to test out: Go to a place like St. Paul, where the Obama Administration’s war on disparate impact in public school discipline was taken seriously, and see how much you can improve things by boosting discipline.

The Obama Administration jihad against school discipline — because blacks are suspended three times more than whites, the only possible explanation is a racist conspiracy among public schoolteachers — is biased against the kind of discipline that leaves a paper trail. So school administrators tell teachers they have to handle discipline themselves without getting the front office involved. Use your personal charisma!

But private schools like the one Gates attended support their teachers with out-of-classroom discipline. They often will, say, make the offensive line assistant football coach the Dean of Discipline and have him run detentions.

As Adam Smith noted, division of labor works. If you want teachers who love thinking about better ways to teach The Great Gatsby, you need administrators who love thinking about better ways to put punks in their places.

 
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  1. Anon[723] • Disclaimer says:

    This is by no means a new result. Why is anyone still bothering to study this?

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    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    OT

    (and I mean really deeply off topic)

    What we need now are better spell checkers. I have a few ideas. I'm always disappointed to see someone use the possessive term 'their' or the adverb 'there' when they mean the same sounding contraction 'they're'.

    Surely by now with all the multi core CPUs we have enough client side computational power to scan a candidate sentence or paragraph for content and context. We should also be able to have the machine also correct typical typing errors. For example on a standard QWERTY keyboard, your right index finger is supposed to rest on the 'J' key. That J is surrounded by the HUIKMN letters. If you type badly (as I do) you might substitute one of those other letters for the J. Your word processing editor should substitute the intended letter. Most of the better editors like the one used on this blog already do something similar for common misspellings. It's time to proceed to miss-typings.

    Currently spelling errors are flagged in red (for the Communist or Republican Parties I presume). With more and more analysis being done by the software we will need a color for ambiguous cases. On the political state analogy, I recommend purple.
    , @Kratoklastes
    As usual, everyone imports their prejudices into some policy debate, and stamps and screeches when they get to say "See? I fucking told you!" - usually without thinking too hard, lest they be forced to change any of their premises.

    Because here's my take on it: it's only moderately complex, but represents some feeble attempt at 'joined up thinking'. And it deliberately (until further below) ignores the main point.

    It has 4 premises and a couple of conclusions.

    ① schools with bad demographic profiles are hostile and risky workplaces;
    ② teaching talent is scarce, and starts from a generally low base;
    ③ talent will (generally) seek the highest-return, lowest risk work environment;
    ④ student outcomes are weakly influenced by teacher talent.

    This means that

    Ⓐ spending to improve teachers' skills is a priori unlikely to produce measurable differences in student outcomes, irrespective of the demographic profile of the school;
    Ⓑ spending to improve low-quality teachers' skill is unlikely to improve their skills to any significant extent anyway (they're low-quality teachers because they were low-quality students, in turn because they're from about the median of the Bell Curve, at best);
    Ⓒ anything that actually did improve low-quality-teachers' skills by a significant amount (i.e., some pixie dust that magically turned them into 'quality' teachers), would lead to outward-migration of the newly-minted 'quality' teachers (they would abandon their benighted schools, and head for greener pastures, if they had the remotest lick of sense).

    As to my prejudices: I have them, and I make a habit of trying to know what they are.

    My primary prejudice in the education stuff is that the primary cause of shit schools, is mandatory attendance at school past the age of about 13.

    (Note I did not say 'mandatory education', because that's not possible).

    After the age of about 13, individuals who are there compulsorily, are not just wasting their (and everyone else's) time: they also cannot be controlled by the sub-par individuals who make up the bulk of the teaching 'profession' (a profession which is to 95-IQ obese middle-aged divorcées and spinsters, what the US Marine Corps is to 20-something high-school dropouts from the same segment of the IQ distribution).

    Next time you think about the average grade 10 class, think what it would be like if
    ① everyone was there more-or-less voluntarily; and
    ② the person at the front was not a third-rate nobody with objectively poor impulse control (how do you get respect from people, when they can see you can't control your own sugar intake? On what basis do you have the right to expect respect, when your own life is in disarray?)

    Obviously, removing mandatory 13-18 daycare will have other effects: permitting 13+ year-olds to leave school if they wish, means a bunch of 13-18 year olds with a lot of time on their hands. (They will be happier than if they had to go to school, but policy has nothing to do with them, the ungrateful swine).

    A lot of hand-wringers and pearl-clutchers will think that this new abundance of free-range 13+ year olds will lead to more crime (particularly property crime).

    Why do they think that? Do they not think that these naughty brown blighters currently commit crime going to and from school, and after hours? These little criminals would be extremely - nay, employably - industrious if they were of a type to expand their workrate to fill their free time.

    In any case, it's not clear to me that the resultant damage (society-wide) would cost more than the current "mandatory largely-incompetent daycare until age 18" system. That's an empirical matter, and since the policy's never been tried it can't be quantified.

    But what we can quantify now is the adverse effects on others, and the other social costs, of mandatory attendance.

    Those who do not want to be there, contribute adversely to the learning environment, and do not reform (except in Edward James Olmos movies, and the propaganda literature of teachers' unions) - so they drag down the outcome of the 10% or so of their classmates who actually want to be there.

    They consume massive amounts of resources: the cost per public-student arse-on-seat is about $12,000 a year, before the student does anything to fuck up the kid next to him. Just giving half of that directly to the kid who doesn't want to be there, as a 'thank you' for not fucking up everyone's day... that would obviate the downside, mitigate the potential crime, and would be revenue-neutral (because states would be able to close down about a quarter of all high schools).

    .
    Now - to comparisons across school districts: why compulsory attendance is worse in areas with 'bad' demographics.

    First: as a kiddie, your home environment is a huge influence, even if you claim loud and long that it's not. If your social milieu tells you that school is a waste of time, you will 'take that on board' and it will condition your response to being made to go to day care at 15.

    Conversely, if your parents stress the importance of education, it will also condition your response to the ordeal.

    What do you think is the 'mix' of opinions in a 'good' school district, versus a 'bad'?

    And even if you're from an 'education is important' household, the more congruent your home life is with that paradigm, the stronger will be the link.

    So a kid from a 'good' school district (which means, generally, higher education; higher income; lower-unemployment; more-stable families) has all sorts of positive reinforcement that reduces his/her antipathy towards school attendance. (That is not saying that there is no antipathy: there's plenty, but nowhere near the levels in 'undesirable' suburbs).

    They may think Mum's new (third) husband is a dick, but "hubby #3" went to UNLV and has a Lexus - and if the kid does well on their SATs they might get a car bought for them (it might even be post-2000!).

    That's just not in the fucking scope of experience for inner-city black kids.

    Anyhow - like most complex topics, most discussion of it takes place in sound bites and undeclared preferences. It's a much more complex problem than can be solved by trying to get the median inner-urban teacher to be able to read at a high-school level.
    , @Steve in Greensboro
    Why do education deep-thinkers continuing to study ineffective approaches to improving schools, when they already know the right answers? Because they don't like the right answers; they violate their equality axiom.
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  2. Dan Hayes says:

    Steve,

    Bill and his consort Melinda could have saved a lot of their ill-begotten loot by paying attention to the message of Bob Weissberg’s 2010 book Bad Students, Not Bad Schools. Of course, Weissberg is a frequent contributor to The Unz Review.

    It should be noted that the primary purpose of the Gates’s philanthropic largess is not educational reform per se but public relations bellowing of their good deeds, thereby updating John D Rockefeller’s distribution of dimes.

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    • Replies: @Robert Weissberg
    Thanks for the plug. Here in NYC there's a big experiment to move kids (mainly blacks and Hispanics) from "under-performing schools" to better schools where they can learn by osmosis from smart whites and Asians. Denial never stops.
    , @RonaldB
    Note that the study reports on the ineffectiveness of intervention programs to change teacher behavior. In other words, regardless of training and SJW nagging, teachers teach as they always have. The more important question not addressed in this particular report is, if the teacher behavior had been successfully modified, would the changed teacher behavior have positively affected the students. I realize this has been studied extensively in other studies, but as reported, this study focuses on teachers, not on students.

    There is also another factor to consider, which is the feedback loop. When teachers use the motivational methods dreamed up by ivory-tower armchair experts on their low-IQ, low impulse-control classes, the obvious feedback from the class itself drives them back to their original teaching methodology.
    , @Barnard
    Yes, but the big difference between Gates and someone like Jeffrey Sachs is that Gates admits it when his big ideas don't work. He still doesn't seem willing to try solutions that fall outside the progressive approved spectrum though.
    , @AnotherDad

    Bill and his consort Melinda could have saved a lot of their ill-begotten loot by paying attention to the message of Bob Weissberg’s 2010 book Bad Students, Not Bad Schools. Of course, Weissberg is a frequent contributor to The Unz Review.
     
    And from Anon[425]

    2 billion here, 2 billion there… this is what happens when one listens to the advice of NYT and The Economist. We could have told Bill for free.
     
    Bill Gates is both smart enough and obsessed with smarts enough, that he definitely understands that "bad schools" are fundamentally the result of bad students.

    His natural politcal home--as Steve has pointed out--is sort of early 20th century Protestant progressivism. The folks who thought about and brought in ... eugenics.

    If Bill really wanted to make a difference in "good schools" he could have spoken and spent some of those billions on a message promoting increased child bearing by college educated women as the key to future prosperity. "Smart kids come from smart women" or "Three builds the future". Getting smart women's target to normal to be three kids, like, oh ... Melinda Gates! ... would be a huge win for "good schools" and the quality of our nation's future.

    Unfortunately, some very very noisy folks managed to make "eugenics" == "the holocaust" (as they were able to make German and Japanese imperialism == "nationalism").

    And Bill Gates for all his bluster and a bit of around-the-edges truth telling, has been unwilling to risk the torrent of abuse that would be flung his way by these people if he actually campaigned for what he believes.
    , @Dan
    The uber-wealthy's family foundations are first and foremost tax shelters. All of their wealth is put under the umbrella of the foundation and they're required to spend a certain amount on philanthropic endeavors, an amount that is much less than they would otherwise be taxed. It only works financially if one's wealth is beyond a certain threshold. I forget the number. But it doesn't make sense for someone who has just a few million dollars.

    Secondarily, they serve as a form of social control. If it's a direct initiative, such as this one, then the money is freely given hand in hand with the program that Gates and his ilk want implemented - the program that they themselves have written.

    Otherwise, an existing nonprofit or other entity can appeal to Gates for money through a highly competitive process which may result in a small sum coming their way - with an incredible number of strings attached on how the money is to be spent.

    The organizations end up spending inordinate amounts of time and energy just trying to secure some funds - the overwhelming majority who apply don't get any money - and even more time and energy is wasted documenting how the money is spent and attempting to prove to Gates et al that their money is being spent the way they want it spent and achieving the results they want.

    Proofs must be shown quarterly to yearly - a ridiculously short time horizon to effectively implement anything worthwhile, and eerily similar to the inane short-term time horizons that have plagued Wall Street over the past 30+ years.

    So, the elite have hollowed out the public sector through years of propaganda about government inefficiency only to subsequently set up their own incredibly inefficient system of nonprofits and other entities. The difference, of course, is that they control them.

    Oh yes, it also serves as wonderful publicity. Heartfelt philanthropists indeed. There's no self-interest there, just as there's no self-interest in development schemes in Africa.
    , @anon
    That is a great book.

    It's simultaneously pathetic and hilarious to watch Gates flush his money down the tube doing stupid projects like this. The real people benefiting from his charity are the thousands of libtards he's keeping employed at the Gates Foundation to help him spend his ill gotten gains. They're the ones who keep coming up with all these dumb ideas for him to experiment with while ignoring the elephant in the room which is IQ. How could any of them admit to that? They'd be out of a job! Creating alternate realities for the richest man in the world is essential in keeping them employed.

    I'd rather he continues to waste his money on education than to save more babies in Africa and India. Neither Africa nor India need more mouths to feed when the failed governments can't create any jobs. Europe and America do not need more invaders.
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  3. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    2 billion here, 2 billion there… this is what happens when one listens to the advice of NYT and The Economist. We could have told Bill for free.

    US education is like Starbucks policy. Instead of identifying and correcting bad behavior, keep changing the methods of appeasing bad behavior.

    The very premise of Gate-ism is wrong. It ignores the key issue of biology & culture and just focuses on management. But how can one manage problems of genetics and culture without addressing them? All the burden is on management than on the problematic material.

    If someone suffers from a terrible disease, nothing will change even if doctors and methods/instruments are changed over and over and over AS LONG AS the disease is not honestly and correctly diagnosed.

    Gates is foolish to confuse his success in business with hopeful success in education.
    Business is about genetics and culture, i.e. top businesses go out of their way to hire the very best people in IQ and work ethic. It is about attracting the best.
    In contrast, Gates’ education project is about educating the worst. Totally different dynamics.
    When dealing with problem students, there is the fact of genetics and culture. Genetics cannot be changed but must be addressed. Many students are doomed to relative failure due to genetic factors. Still, with improvement in culture and discipline, they can do better and grow up with more sensible attitude. Better to be mediocre and moderately productive than pathological and destructive. But when so many kids are raised by trashy single mothers whose entire culture is TV and when these kids grow up to Rap and garbage culture(and PC that tells them that they are holy as ‘victims’), they cannot be disciplined or set straight.

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    Gates trusts expertise--when he asks epidemiologists how to eradicate some parasitic disease, he gets useful answers; when he asks education professors how to raise school performance, he gets ideology.
    , @anon

    Gates is foolish to confuse his success in business with hopeful success in education. Business is about genetics and culture, i.e. top businesses go out of their way to hire the very best people in IQ and work ethic. It is about attracting the best.
     
    Gates tries to solve the world's problems the same way he ran Microsoft, by "hiring the best" and throwing money at them. The Gates Foundation is teeming with Ivy League grads, esp. from Harvard. As we've seen from the Obama admin, elite school grads are nothing but a bunch of pie-in-the-sky libtard leeches good at wasting OPM. At least they've found the right sugar daddy to latch on to.

    Everything Bill Gates has done outside of Microsoft has been an abject failure. His "other" company Corbis ended up being taken apart and sold to Getty after being run to the ground by a couple of well educated libtards. Everything done by the Gates Foundation is not only a failure but creates serious unintended consequences. All of his domestic education initiatives are failures. All of his foreign aid in Africa and India ended up creating armies of invaders to Europe and the US. He was no good at running Microsoft either which was why he quit to run charity, as Steve Jobs pointed out. Now everything done by his charity is also a total failure.

    Gates got lucky with Microsoft without any true talent. Windows was a direct copy of Mac, he just had a better business model with Intel. it's why he's a one hit wonder.

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  4. To Bill Gates’ credit, he periodically announces that some education reform fad boondoggle he has financed has failed empirically.

    Good to hear – when’s he going to announce anything about Windows?

    Software is supposed to be used as a tool. Most real tools don’t require one to relearn their use every coupla years!

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    Good to hear – when’s he going to announce anything about Windows?
     
    LOL - good one!
    , @Anonymous
    Software is supposed to be used as a tool. Most real tools don’t require one to relearn their use every coupla years!

    Agree. With every (or at least many) new versions of Microsoft’s operating systems or programs, their “productivity software” become “lack of productivity software”, due to the re-learning required of the new versions and the associated extreme frustration. The whole thing is extremely inefficient.
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    Which one is Koko?
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  6. anonymous[315] • Disclaimer says:

    “Bill Gates Admits He’s blown $2 Billion”

    Wow. $2 Billion.

    Isn’t this all predicated on the idea that these differences are based in nature and not nurture? How much would a study to test this underlying hypothesis cost – you know, like a cross adoption study? My guess: A hell of a lot less than $2 billion.

    Even if you required a Hunger Games like “Arena” where you raised the kids in a secluded environment away from the bigotry-of-low-expectations/stereotype-threat mass media** It would still cost a lot less than $2 billion. (Actually, doesn’t Hollywood always cast a young black guy in the role of the “quixotic genius” these days, kinda like they used to always cast God as Morgan Freeman? Has it had any effect of boosting SAT scores among adolescent black males?)

    ** As was the rationale for discarding the results of the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study. Btw, what was the point of this study if they were just going to pretend the results were meaningless if they found the IQ difference was nature and not nurture? “Heads I win. Tails – oops, gotta toss that one again.”

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    Correction:
    "Isn’t this all predicated on the idea that these differences are based in *nurture* and not nature?"
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  7. How about really long schools days?

    In many East Asian nations, children attend school from early in the morning through mid afternoon. Then they go to cram school for another few hours. They do this about 6 days per week. During the summer, they go to cram school.

    I wonder how well this approach would work in the United States.

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    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpS2JJYfbZ8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDfGFe7TY24

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGpHEPAHQ3E

    Maybe we need this here.
    , @ScarletNumber

    I wonder how well this approach would work in the United States.
     
    Lousy, plus it would interfere with sports
    , @Rod1963
    Not needed. That method is fit for a insect colony in need of grinders.

    Smart people don't need it.

    Consider this, we discovered DNA, went to the Moon, invented the transistor and microprocess. GPS, etc. Without those cram schools. The Chinese had to steal just about everything we did to build their society.

    Yeah I know "the test scores" retort. There is more to life and creativity than a stinking test scores that make our society so desirable to these high IQ grinders.

    What we need to do is stop importing high IQ foreigners who will edge out our people and have and we end up with a new alien overclass. They will rape this country and turn it into a stinking waste the same way they did to their homeland.
    , @BenKenobi
    While we're on the subject of Asian Ubermenschen I'd like to ask whatever happened to uh, Yan Shen? It's like he disappeared in a puff of logic.

    Just another Yellow Peril that turned out to be much ado about nuffin' I suppose.
    , @pyrrhus
    Badly, school and school cramming interferes with creativity and free thought. Which is where Americans have clobbered East Asia for centuries.
    , @roo_ster
    Wby punish tbe majority of students who do not need that quantity of grind to manage an education?
    , @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    A major reason why the east Asian birthrate is so low - parents pay for "cram school" and both sons and daughters go. They can't afford more than two kids.
    , @Alden
    Longer school days and shorter school vacations just means more time to indoctrinate children in the latest racist anti White propaganda.
    , @artichoke
    I am against this because it would cost even more than we currently spend on schools. It might produce a tiny improvement in performance of the capable students, and it might keep some kids off the streets and out of some trouble, but youth benefit from freedom too.

    Diversity is our weakness. We have some groups that are hard to educate. If we compare our white and Asian performance against anyone in the world, we're doing just fine.
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  8. A bit off topic, but I just wanted to say that Steve sure is a witty writer. He always has a knack for addressing the absurdity of progressive arguments (whether that be on crime or immigration) in an entertaining way.
    The commenters here are some of the most informed people on the internet. They could do without the Jew hating though, that’s uncalled for to say the least.

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    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    … that’s uncalled for to say the least.
     
    Whyamihere, here there is no why.
    , @Ed
    I agree the anti-semitism here can get quite absurd. Still it’s not anti-Semitic to note that some of the loudest voices in support of open borders and transforming US demographics are disproportionately Jewish.
    , @sabril
    I agree, but there basically only two kinds of discussion forums on the internet: Those where non-PC statements are welcome; and those where non-PC statements are frowned upon. The former are magnets for anti-Semites; the latter are magnets for Leftist virtue-signallers who are constantly trying to silence those who question the PC orthodoxy.

    I prefer the former type of discussion forum. On the latter, I typically get banned. Once I make some innocuous but non-PC statement, I am marked for excommunication by Leftist rules-lawyers.

    Part of the problem is that there is a blurry line between facts which are true but offensive and full on murderous hatred.
    , @DFH
    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-F79okXEdHGU/WynhF7J7G0I/AAAAAAAAF7A/Z3wPxGSVjW0Bcla0BopiWXfOxbmmSbtswCLcBGAs/s1600/euroculture.png
    , @bartok

    They could do without the Jew hating though
     
    Jews, especially media Jews, could do without the goy-hating.
    , @Truth
    When a blindfolded man throws a stick into a kennel of dogs, he can assume that the one that yelps is the one that got hit.
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  9. anonymous[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    "Bill Gates Admits He's blown $2 Billion"

    Wow. $2 Billion.

    Isn't this all predicated on the idea that these differences are based in nature and not nurture? How much would a study to test this underlying hypothesis cost - you know, like a cross adoption study? My guess: A hell of a lot less than $2 billion.

    Even if you required a Hunger Games like "Arena" where you raised the kids in a secluded environment away from the bigotry-of-low-expectations/stereotype-threat mass media** It would still cost a lot less than $2 billion. (Actually, doesn't Hollywood always cast a young black guy in the role of the "quixotic genius" these days, kinda like they used to always cast God as Morgan Freeman? Has it had any effect of boosting SAT scores among adolescent black males?)

    ** As was the rationale for discarding the results of the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study. Btw, what was the point of this study if they were just going to pretend the results were meaningless if they found the IQ difference was nature and not nurture? "Heads I win. Tails - oops, gotta toss that one again."

    Correction:
    “Isn’t this all predicated on the idea that these differences are based in *nurture* and not nature?”

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  10. @JohnnyWalker123
    How about really long schools days?

    In many East Asian nations, children attend school from early in the morning through mid afternoon. Then they go to cram school for another few hours. They do this about 6 days per week. During the summer, they go to cram school.

    I wonder how well this approach would work in the United States.

    Maybe we need this here.

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    @ 10 JohnnyWalker123: "Maybe we need this here."

    What's with the "we" that you and other Subcontinental commenters utilize? There is no "we" in an HBD-aware America that includes you.
    , @Father O'Hara
    For blacks?
    , @anon
    Hmm, why did AFP block embedding of their video on isteve?!?
    , @Redneck farmer
    We have them, most people can't afford them.
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  11. I’m starting to think that education reform is a jobs program in itself. Can you imagine how much busywork is created by revamping the K-12 curriculum every five years or so? Eventually Bill and the other educational innovators will run out of ideas and we’ll cycle back to New Math.

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    Was anyone else forced to learn New Math from Numo and Nimbo in 60- 63 period? I finally had my dad teach me long division. The New Math fucked us all .
    , @Pat Boyle
    I tried to post a comment at the end of this thread but found that the comments were closed. Huh?

    I thought for few minutes to see if I could imagine an 'EDUCATION REFORM' that might make a difference. It took about two minutes. I propose that high school students are all required to take Algebra twice. If they take Algebra II then they should take Algebra I twice and Algebra II twice.

    There are many immediate advantages to this plan. First of all the kids will learn more algebra. Secondly they won't have time in their schedule for all those empty headed filler classes like ethnic studies or sociology. All kids should take the real courses more than once. For example - American History. Study the period leading up to the Civil War using two different text books and two different political perspectives.

    Recently I read Victor Davis Hanson's new book "The Second World Wars". It wasn't because I knew nothing of that period. I have read - like most of this blog's readership - many histories of our conflict with the Nazis and Fascists. But Hanson is a good historian. I wanted his perspective.

    Similarly I took statistics in college several times as I changed my major. I took stat in the psychology department, the business department and the math department. I got pretty good at statistics. So I would require all high school students to take algebra as freshmen and then again when they became seniors. After all those stat classes I ended up teaching stat in colleges. My universal observation was that my students never knew much math. I used to give what I called the "Smurf Algebra Test". I got it from the TV cartoon. It was too advanced for any of my college students.

    There - I offer this advice free. If you are grateful I will accept two billion dollars as a reward.
    , @Dan
    I think it serves as both a jobs program and as a way to keep the populace constantly on edge, which produces fear and uncertainty, which helps drive mass consumerism, which leads to anomie, which leads to depression and drug addiction. The masses buy their products, then the masses buy their drugs, both legal and illegal.

    As to the jobs program, it makes sense, given that the manufacturing base is offshored and there's nothing to equal the 90's tech boom on the horizon.

    It reminds me of what they've done to the "health" professions, where there might be 3 or 4 different people in a doctor's office or hospital doing tasks that one competent nurse did years ago. They go to these one or two year technical schools (which are "make work" endeavors themselves) and come away with any number of various certificates, such as "medical assistant."

    It all falls under the umbrella of "Allied Health Professions," and the whole enterprise is exceedingly superficial. It's just a prepackaged, almost instant "career" for them (that's what it's sold to them as) and as a result most of the people I've dealt with in this arena over the years lack a certain "depth" that used to be commonplace in health care. In fact, I'd say they all do. The only people who have that depth and integrity are the middle-aged or older caregivers.

    But hey, they have a job. Such is America in 2018.
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  12. Anon[192] • Disclaimer says:

    I feel as though I’m missing something. Is there some inference I should be drawing from the reference to the RAND corporation?

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    RAND is a pretty intensive analytical group, so good for Gates for hiring somebody smart to evaluate his fad rather than having some Ed School do it.
    , @hyperbola
    The Rand Corporation has been a terrific example of government corruption for decades. Exactly the kind of organization that a corrupt oligarch like Gates would be associated with.

    The RAND Corporation: America's University of Imperialism
    For decades these self-professed saviors of the Western world helped precipitate U.S. foreign policy disasters like the Vietnam War.
    By Chalmers Johnson
    https://www.alternet.org/story/83910/the_rand_corporation%3A_america%27s_university_of_imperialism
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  13. A teacher’s ability to keep the little demons in their seat, relatively quiet, and put forth at least a half-assed effort in their schoolwork is the make or break factor for work in education.

    The exceptions are those who teach below fourth grade, and high school honors teachers. In those two, actually being able to impart knowledge and skills is important, mostly because it’s readily apparent if the kids are picking up the material or not. Consistently having third graders who can’t read at level will get the state on a school district’s ass. Having honors students flame out on SATs, college entrance essays, and taking remedial classes once at college will have their parents on the school board’s ass.

    I never came close to making enough students sit down, shut up, and do their work, which is why I left my junior high job (high school positions are much harder to come by) after two years.

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    Believe it or not by year 3 as a skinny white woman I got the junior high age punks to consistently sit down and shut up. It’s because I acted deranged and kept the kids on their toes. And told the kids conspiracy theories when admin wasn’t looking (teens of all races, genders and academic ability levels love hearing about the illumanati and speculation about organ trafficking or weather control). Plus being young probably helped- don’t know that they’ll be as cooperative when in a decade or so when I’m lacking the cool factor. Why I’m looking to get out relatively soon.
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  14. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT How can news be fake if journalism isn’t real?
    (Yes I checked if it was satire. It’s worse than satire, it’s Canadian. Bonus: observe the good fellow’s name.)

    A viral photo of a crying Honduran girl didn’t tell the whole story. Does it matter?
    This girl was not separated from her mother. But other children were
    Mark Gollom · CBC News · Posted: Jun 23, 2018 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: June 23

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/girl-crying-trump-honduran-border-migrants-1.4718160

    Bonus: apply this reasoning to stories about UFOs. Yes my photo is of a car’s detached hub cap. But so what? It’s representative of the real UFOs that I chose not to document properly for religious reasons.

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    It’s worse than satire, it’s Canadian.
     
    Money quote.
    , @Jefferson
    If Hillary Clinton had won the presidency and ICE was still separating illegal alien children from their illegal alien parents NOBODY in the mainstream media would be reporting on it because it would be extremely hard to spin it and blame it on the Republicans because the buck would stop with Hillary Clinton and the Democrats.

    This has been going on when Barack Hussein Obama was still POTUS, yet the mainstream media did not care back than because the mainstream media turns into state run media whenever there is a Democrat in The White House. Whenever there is a Democrat in The White House the mainstream media turns into cheerleading cult groupies and the Democratic president is their Jim Jones or Charles Manson.

    , @El Dato
    Actually, the money quote is from U-SoCal, not Canada

    "However, However...."


    However, Mike Ananny, assistant professor of communication and journalism at the University of Southern California, said focusing on the changing narrative of the picture plays into the hands of those who want to deny the existence of families being separated..

    "I think the child crying represented something that is very real, and the fact that that particular child's story shifted or changed a little bit from what it was assumed to be — to me it's just not that important."

    Ananny said images are not just documentation.

    "They are symbols at the same time. They can mean a lot of different things at once."
     

    Not making stuff up "plays into the hand of those who would deny", so shut up and publish.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness

    Cop looking for illegal immigrants in images that mean lots of different things at once:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkcU0gwZUdg

    (Which reminds me that giving voice commands to software has become pedestrian, which blows my mind, actually)

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  15. Wait, weren’t all of the other Gates Foundation education projects also failures? And come to think of it, weren’t their medical projects (actually third-world population enswellments) also either failures or merely the heaping up of future famine/migration problems? In fact, isn’t every do-gooder project pretty much just a catastrophe-in-waiting?

    Well, at least they admit it … sort of.

    From the little I hear about Gates Foundation staffers, they are pretty good, at least by the standards of nonprofits, which tend to attract the deluded, the desperate, the decrepit and the degenerate.

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    Newark and Zuckerbereg?

    Mark Zuckerberg once made a $100 million investment in a major US city to help fix its schools — now the mayor says the effort 'parachuted' in and failed
    http://www.businessinsider.com/mark-zuckerberg-schools-education-newark-mayor-ras-baraka-cory-booker-2018-5

     

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  16. @JohnnyWalker123
    How about really long schools days?

    In many East Asian nations, children attend school from early in the morning through mid afternoon. Then they go to cram school for another few hours. They do this about 6 days per week. During the summer, they go to cram school.

    I wonder how well this approach would work in the United States.

    I wonder how well this approach would work in the United States.

    Lousy, plus it would interfere with sports

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  17. It’s tough for the teaching profession to thread this needle.

    If teachers can really make a difference, then student’s failures can also be pinned on them.

    On the other hand if they don’t make a difference and it’s the quality of the student that matters, then why bother paying anything more than peanuts?

    Healthcare has a similar dillemma.

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    which may well explain why the teachers at the exclusive private schools in my area earn about half what they earn at the Public Schools here...my town has 4 private schools, tuition is between 40,000 and 50,000 per year at these schools and the average teacher earns just $42,000 at these schools while the public school teachers here earn an average salary of $78,500.

    if teachers and schools make no difference and have no effect on student outcome why are so many upper middle class Americans wasting so much money to get their kids into good schools and wasting so much money on sending their kids to private schools ?
    , @Old fogey
    "If teachers can really make a difference, then student’s failures can also be pinned on them."

    Perfectly put. I am beginning to think that Gates is far smarter than we are giving him credit for. Perhaps all of this virtue-signalling that comes up empty-handed when it gets put to a test is designed to show that that well put-together computer programs set up to work at the student's pace are far superior to anything we can set up in the normal way. . . Eliminate the normal expense associated with college diplomas; just use tests, etc., etc. All kinds of things can be set up instead of the usual time-wasting in schools and colleges to baby-sit children so that their parents can work while setting up a great future for the high-tech establishment.

    How much $$ does Gates still have in Microsoft anyway?
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  18. BenKenobi says:
    @J.Ross
    OT How can news be fake if journalism isn't real?
    (Yes I checked if it was satire. It's worse than satire, it's Canadian. Bonus: observe the good fellow's name.)

    A viral photo of a crying Honduran girl didn't tell the whole story. Does it matter?
    This girl was not separated from her mother. But other children were
    Mark Gollom · CBC News · Posted: Jun 23, 2018 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: June 23
     
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/girl-crying-trump-honduran-border-migrants-1.4718160
    Bonus: apply this reasoning to stories about UFOs. Yes my photo is of a car's detached hub cap. But so what? It's representative of the real UFOs that I chose not to document properly for religious reasons.

    It’s worse than satire, it’s Canadian.

    Money quote.

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  19. @Anon
    I feel as though I'm missing something. Is there some inference I should be drawing from the reference to the RAND corporation?

    RAND is a pretty intensive analytical group, so good for Gates for hiring somebody smart to evaluate his fad rather than having some Ed School do it.

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    RAND is a pretty intensive analytical group, so good for Gates for hiring somebody smart to evaluate his fad rather than having some Ed School do it.
     
    I think there's considerable difference between the government/military/strategic side of RAND, which my colleagues and I spoke about with hushed awe back when I was a young operations research analyst 35 years ago, and their newer areas of study, such as education.

    V. Darleen Opfer runs their education research unit. Education is not my area of understanding or competence, so I cannot assess the value of her work, but here is a link to some of her output and an old video on YouTube, from 2011.

    https://www.rand.org/about/people/o/opfer_v_darleen.html#commentary

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5Mnvt4vJDA

    , @JimB
    The best way to sum up the RAND Corporations work these days: sophisticated methods, conventional insights, lame conclusions. RAND hires based on conventionally impressive check-a-box resumes. Conventional hiring. Conventional reasoning. Think tank jobs have become a career path instead of a little interlude in a meteoric career ascent (or descent).
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  20. Anonym says:

    Kudos to Mr Gates for being this honest.

    Although, a guy who is this big into IQ surely has some HBD and nature vs nurture knowledge?

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  21. gcochran says:

    Melinda Gates is always wrong.

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    It would be funny if these reports were the public face of an intramarital dispute. Melinda won't shut up about the latest crazy education theory, so Bill spends $2000000000 to get the upper hand.
    , @JerryC
    Come on...Microsoft Bob was great!
    , @eah
    Was she wrong to marry Gates, previously aka 'the richest man in the world'? -- asking for a female friend.
    , @Anon
    Gates is pussy-whipped. He can handle computers, but not his wife. The problem with nerds is that they can become emotionally dependent on the one woman that they actually manage to attract. Without his money, Gates would still be single, and he knows it.
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  22. eah says:

    It’s his money, he can waste spend it on whatever he wants — NCLB wastes billions of taxpayer dollars every year, and sometimes makes criminals out of teachers and school administrators.

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  23. This conclusion to an expensive chapter of teacher-evaluation reform shows the difficulty of making sweeping, lasting changes to teacher performance.

    a) Because if there actually was a magical shortcut to being more effective, teachers would already be doing it.

    b) Because if there actually was a magical shortcut to being more effective that the teachers did not already know, it’s not likely that Bill Gate’s team would know it.

    Which is to say, the problem isn’t that teachers are incompetent or that they are deliberately holding back education from their students. Why, then, do Ayers Bros seem to believe this? Because humans are idiots, and prone to simply making shit up and then believing it. The examples of well-intentioned and sometimes quite intelligent people doing this are too numerous to count.

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    Here's a proposal for Bill Gates to test out: Go to a place like St. Paul, where the Obama Administration's war on disparate impact in public school discipline, was taken seriously, and see how much you can improve things by boosting discipline.
    , @Brutusale
    You're assuming that the Ayers Bros., one a former domestic terrorist, have the students' best interests at heart. They make a tidy living telling wealthy leftists that their theories are sound and that they should give them money to implement them.
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  24. Rod1963 says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    How about really long schools days?

    In many East Asian nations, children attend school from early in the morning through mid afternoon. Then they go to cram school for another few hours. They do this about 6 days per week. During the summer, they go to cram school.

    I wonder how well this approach would work in the United States.

    Not needed. That method is fit for a insect colony in need of grinders.

    Smart people don’t need it.

    Consider this, we discovered DNA, went to the Moon, invented the transistor and microprocess. GPS, etc. Without those cram schools. The Chinese had to steal just about everything we did to build their society.

    Yeah I know “the test scores” retort. There is more to life and creativity than a stinking test scores that make our society so desirable to these high IQ grinders.

    What we need to do is stop importing high IQ foreigners who will edge out our people and have and we end up with a new alien overclass. They will rape this country and turn it into a stinking waste the same way they did to their homeland.

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  25. BenKenobi says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    How about really long schools days?

    In many East Asian nations, children attend school from early in the morning through mid afternoon. Then they go to cram school for another few hours. They do this about 6 days per week. During the summer, they go to cram school.

    I wonder how well this approach would work in the United States.

    While we’re on the subject of Asian Ubermenschen I’d like to ask whatever happened to uh, Yan Shen? It’s like he disappeared in a puff of logic.

    Just another Yellow Peril that turned out to be much ado about nuffin’ I suppose.

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    I believe he still posts on the Steve Hsu blog. Anyways here is a video of Japanese kids cleaning their own classroom - no janitor required for these little dynamos:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLo0phnh-kA
    , @Anonymous

    whatever happened to uh, Yan Shen?
     
    Yan Shen is in an institution undergoing, uh, speech therapy.
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  26. @Dave from Oz

    This conclusion to an expensive chapter of teacher-evaluation reform shows the difficulty of making sweeping, lasting changes to teacher performance.
     
    a) Because if there actually was a magical shortcut to being more effective, teachers would already be doing it.

    b) Because if there actually was a magical shortcut to being more effective that the teachers did not already know, it's not likely that Bill Gate's team would know it.

    Which is to say, the problem isn't that teachers are incompetent or that they are deliberately holding back education from their students. Why, then, do Ayers Bros seem to believe this? Because humans are idiots, and prone to simply making shit up and then believing it. The examples of well-intentioned and sometimes quite intelligent people doing this are too numerous to count.

    Here’s a proposal for Bill Gates to test out: Go to a place like St. Paul, where the Obama Administration’s war on disparate impact in public school discipline, was taken seriously, and see how much you can improve things by boosting discipline.

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    see how much you can improve things by boosting discipline.
     
    Military school seems to have done our current president some good.
    , @Crawfurdmuir
    see how much you can improve things by boosting discipline.

    When supporters of private or charter schools point out their superior results, defenders of public schools typically argue that such schools can be selective, and they refuse to admit or expel students that are disruptive while public schools cannot.

    Why not? If it is true that simply excluding those that are uninterested in learning, frequently break the rules, and disrupt the classroom, can produce such superior results, why not remove them to a special "magnet school" for rotten little brats? The public school system may be obliged to warehouse such "students" somewhere, but that does not mean it has to permit them to impair the quality of school for the educable. Set up the "Whippingham Academy for Incorrigible Minors" (motto: "Spare the rod and spoil the child"), and send the problem children there. Then the others can learn in peace at the ordinary district schools.
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  27. Jefferson says:
    @J.Ross
    OT How can news be fake if journalism isn't real?
    (Yes I checked if it was satire. It's worse than satire, it's Canadian. Bonus: observe the good fellow's name.)

    A viral photo of a crying Honduran girl didn't tell the whole story. Does it matter?
    This girl was not separated from her mother. But other children were
    Mark Gollom · CBC News · Posted: Jun 23, 2018 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: June 23
     
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/girl-crying-trump-honduran-border-migrants-1.4718160
    Bonus: apply this reasoning to stories about UFOs. Yes my photo is of a car's detached hub cap. But so what? It's representative of the real UFOs that I chose not to document properly for religious reasons.

    If Hillary Clinton had won the presidency and ICE was still separating illegal alien children from their illegal alien parents NOBODY in the mainstream media would be reporting on it because it would be extremely hard to spin it and blame it on the Republicans because the buck would stop with Hillary Clinton and the Democrats.

    This has been going on when Barack Hussein Obama was still POTUS, yet the mainstream media did not care back than because the mainstream media turns into state run media whenever there is a Democrat in The White House. Whenever there is a Democrat in The White House the mainstream media turns into cheerleading cult groupies and the Democratic president is their Jim Jones or Charles Manson.

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  28. JimB says:

    Now that the left tail of the bell curve has let Bill Gates down, maybe he should spend a few bucks on the right tail. Perhaps he could endow a music conservatory, art school, or engineering college in Seattle open to gifted kids tuition-free. It can’t hurt his legacy to have a bunch of successful smart people grateful to him for their education.

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    music conservatory, art school, or engineering college in Seattle open to gifted diverse and oppressed kids tuition-free
     
    fixed :)
    , @unit472
    That is what, historically, philanthropy was about. Leland Stanford, Cornelius Vanderbilt, James Duke etc did not endow their eponymous schools to teach remedial courses to hoodrats though many scholarships were funded to enable talented poor people to attend out finest schools. It was only in the 1960's that the education of low IQ louts became a national issue.

    After more than 50 years and countless studies and failed programs we find there is no solution to the problem. Worse we have allowed the low IQ louts to destroy the ability of public school teachers to teach those who can be taught.
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  29. JimB says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Here's a proposal for Bill Gates to test out: Go to a place like St. Paul, where the Obama Administration's war on disparate impact in public school discipline, was taken seriously, and see how much you can improve things by boosting discipline.

    see how much you can improve things by boosting discipline.

    Military school seems to have done our current president some good.

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  30. Rod1963 says:

    Gates is my age. He grew up going to schools for upper class whites like himself He has no idea what schools are like today.

    He also seems to be easily manipulated since he promoted that steaming pile of nonsense called “Common Core ” which is the express train to killing a interest in children’s ability to learn. The guy who peddled it wasn’t even a teacher.

    That said, it was far easier to teach a homogeneous student population versus a “diverse” one where the students are two SD to the Left of the white students they used to teach and come from cultures where learning is not encouraged. Which makes it near impossible to impart knowledge to such children. Nor will they ever be “Westerners” they will remain Mexican or whatever their parents were.

    You can’t fix that by throwing money at it.

    Like the old saying goes: “you turn a sow’s ear into a silk purse”

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    Billy "the" Gates has no excuse for being ignorant AND speaking out. "Noblesse obligue".
    , @ScarletNumber
    I'm pretty sure you CAN'T turn a sow's ear into a silk purse.
    , @Rohirrimborn
    Gates is my age.

    From your handle I assume you were born in 1963. Bill was born in 1955. I know this because Bill and I were born on the same day. I remember reading a short bio of Bill and was amused by the similarity in our lives. Our parents have the same first names, we married later in life in 1994, and had our first child within three days of each other. At this rate I figure we'll die on the same day as well.
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  31. jim jones says:
    @BenKenobi
    While we're on the subject of Asian Ubermenschen I'd like to ask whatever happened to uh, Yan Shen? It's like he disappeared in a puff of logic.

    Just another Yellow Peril that turned out to be much ado about nuffin' I suppose.

    I believe he still posts on the Steve Hsu blog. Anyways here is a video of Japanese kids cleaning their own classroom – no janitor required for these little dynamos:

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    no janitor required for these little dynamos
     
    Young Stephen Miller wasn’t big on tidiness theater:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdmxTksbTVQ
    , @jimmyriddle
    And the lesson sticks:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44492611

    "World Cup: Japan fans impress by cleaning up stadium"
    , @pyrrhus
    Japanese genes at work....
    , @scrivener3
    What Gates should have used his money for is importing a bunch of Japanese children and put them in the school. Reminds me of story that advisors told Gorbachev that what Russia needed was Swedish Socialism, he reportedly replied "Where will I get all the Swedes?"
    , @Anonymous
    My son and his classmates have to clean their desks sometimes. He likes doing it.
    , @Lovernios X
    The Japanese have a thing with cleanliness. Plus, they wisely think that if you made the mess, it's your responsibility to clean it up. Hard to disagree with that.
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  32. Anonymous[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Some whites dump their lives into the great mission of saving Africa. From itself, of course.

    Other whites don’t go to Africa but try the same project in their own country with whatever blacks happen to be available.

    But neither Africa nor Africans need saving. And Nature’s God makes it perfectly clear that it’s not whites’ job to “lift up” black people.

    But as long as there are status points to be won then whites will continue on this bizarre mission. The status gaming means when mission fail occurs it’s not true failure for the missionary: heroic attempts win kudos and acclaim. So this sick machinery will keep on keeping on.

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    But neither Africa nor Africans need saving. And Nature’s God makes it perfectly clear that it’s not whites’ job to “lift up” black people.
     
    The [Some] White Man's Burden.

    When Frederick Douglass was asked, "What should we do with the freed slaves?", he answered, "Nothing. You've done enough with us already."
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  33. Anonymous[257] • Disclaimer says:

    This article applies to soccer. Bad decisions really hurt a soccer team* and you can’t “coach up” stupid. So keep paying for bright players (especially on defense) and don’t spend too much on the coach.

    * very low scoring sports mean less room for overcoming a single mental error.

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    A crafty analogy. You do not belong in the comments section!
    , @27 year old

    * very low scoring sports mean less room for overcoming a single mental error.
     
    Yesterday against Sweden, German midfield Toni Kroos made a huge error giving the ball away resulting in a goal for Sweden.

    However, he redeemed himself in the 5th minute of stoppage time with a spectacular game winning free kick. Possibly better even than Christiano Ronaldo's against Spain.

    TV talking head reaction: "just when you write Germany off, they go and act extremely German"

    Indeed.
    , @ThreeCranes
    In the games I've watched, half the scores were fluke rebounds off of shots on goals. Something wrong with a game that goes on for 90 minutes and the lone score was the result of an accident.

    They need to get rid of the offside rule in soccer and open the game up to long range bombs and stealth raids.

    On the plus side, soccer is a game you can watch on TV while reading a book or trimming your toenails and not miss too much.
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    This change was in line with New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio’s campaign promise of putting city schools at the vanguard of a nationwide movement to unwind traditional discipline in favor of a new progressive, or restorative, approach. At UA Wildlife, meaningful consequences for misbehavior were eliminated, alternative approaches failed, and administrators responded to a rising tide of disorder and violence by sweeping the evidence under the rug, students and teachers said. If they had prioritized student safety over statistics, McCree’s teachers believe, he would still be alive. And they fear that the dynamics that destroyed UA Wildlife are playing out across New York City.
     
    No problemo. For the next school shooting, we will examine in minute detail whether the barrel was fluted and whether there were particularly evil cartridges in the magazine.

    The kids quickly realized that their teachers could get into trouble for getting them into trouble. In a video shot by Vasquez in his classroom that was viewed by The 74, two girls are standing in front of the class, talking loudly. When he asks them to return to their seats, one girl yells, “I’m gonna stand right here! You not tellin’ me nothing! Mr. Primus not tellin’ me nothing! None of them teachers tellin’ me nothing! So I’m gonna stand right there!” The other girl chimes in, “I’ll take you to court!”
     
    Dem crazy ebonics.
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  35. Roger says: • Website

    If you believe in the blank slate, and if you notice the vast diversity of student outcomes in schools, then it seems obvious that schools can be radically improved, and that some scientific experiments will show us how.

    Gates is known to be a huge fan of Steven Pinker. Has he read The Blank Slate?

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    "Has Gates read The Blank Slate?"

    Have you? ;-)

    Pinker's book makes the case that the blank slate theory is false, not true, so someone who had read the book and bought into its ideas would not believe that school reform would have any lasting consequences.

    The problem for a guy like Gates is that he has to act through other people. Anyone he could hire is going to be pre-koolade-ed. School districts you try to work with will be staffed with kooladed administrators, many of them black, since you don't need to pass cognitively demanding praxis tests to be an administrator, so it's a good place to diversify the staff.

    The same with corporations. Do you want a more rational HR department? Who can you hire? Anyone "qualified" is an SJW. Do you tell your board or VCs that you want to spend 20 percent of your time on developing independent HR people rather than on core product stuff. Even if you did, outside counsel would be full SJW and tell your HR people the are legally required to do this and that.
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  36. @Steve Sailer
    RAND is a pretty intensive analytical group, so good for Gates for hiring somebody smart to evaluate his fad rather than having some Ed School do it.

    RAND is a pretty intensive analytical group, so good for Gates for hiring somebody smart to evaluate his fad rather than having some Ed School do it.

    I think there’s considerable difference between the government/military/strategic side of RAND, which my colleagues and I spoke about with hushed awe back when I was a young operations research analyst 35 years ago, and their newer areas of study, such as education.

    V. Darleen Opfer runs their education research unit. Education is not my area of understanding or competence, so I cannot assess the value of her work, but here is a link to some of her output and an old video on YouTube, from 2011.

    https://www.rand.org/about/people/o/opfer_v_darleen.html#commentary

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    Much of the Rand Corporation is a loony bin these days. Think tanks are equivalent to monasteries. Analytics take place only after the ideological screening limits the scope of inquiry.
    , @Stephen Paul Foster
    Dr. V. Darleen Opfer

    Hmm .... "Opfer" is German for "victim". I think she is a victim of too many cheeseburgers.
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  37. @PiltdownMan

    RAND is a pretty intensive analytical group, so good for Gates for hiring somebody smart to evaluate his fad rather than having some Ed School do it.
     
    I think there's considerable difference between the government/military/strategic side of RAND, which my colleagues and I spoke about with hushed awe back when I was a young operations research analyst 35 years ago, and their newer areas of study, such as education.

    V. Darleen Opfer runs their education research unit. Education is not my area of understanding or competence, so I cannot assess the value of her work, but here is a link to some of her output and an old video on YouTube, from 2011.

    https://www.rand.org/about/people/o/opfer_v_darleen.html#commentary

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5Mnvt4vJDA

    Much of the Rand Corporation is a loony bin these days. Think tanks are equivalent to monasteries. Analytics take place only after the ideological screening limits the scope of inquiry.

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    Ideologically-based foundations are just the white person's version of a potlatch.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    I worked with a guy years ago who told our boss Ron, "I'm gonna go work for ABC Think Tank so I can do some cutting edge work". Ron said, "Dave, most of the the work you'll be given comes with the expected answers". Dave went anyway, but came back in a year, saying Ron was right.
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  38. El Dato says:
    @J.Ross
    OT How can news be fake if journalism isn't real?
    (Yes I checked if it was satire. It's worse than satire, it's Canadian. Bonus: observe the good fellow's name.)

    A viral photo of a crying Honduran girl didn't tell the whole story. Does it matter?
    This girl was not separated from her mother. But other children were
    Mark Gollom · CBC News · Posted: Jun 23, 2018 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: June 23
     
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/girl-crying-trump-honduran-border-migrants-1.4718160
    Bonus: apply this reasoning to stories about UFOs. Yes my photo is of a car's detached hub cap. But so what? It's representative of the real UFOs that I chose not to document properly for religious reasons.

    Actually, the money quote is from U-SoCal, not Canada

    “However, However….”

    However, Mike Ananny, assistant professor of communication and journalism at the University of Southern California, said focusing on the changing narrative of the picture plays into the hands of those who want to deny the existence of families being separated..

    “I think the child crying represented something that is very real, and the fact that that particular child’s story shifted or changed a little bit from what it was assumed to be — to me it’s just not that important.”

    Ananny said images are not just documentation.

    “They are symbols at the same time. They can mean a lot of different things at once.”

    Not making stuff up “plays into the hand of those who would deny”, so shut up and publish.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness

    Cop looking for illegal immigrants in images that mean lots of different things at once:

    (Which reminds me that giving voice commands to software has become pedestrian, which blows my mind, actually)

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    Sickenng. It was a custody battle, and they're still using it to prove whatever.

    The poor kid probably needed to be changed, fed, and put down for a nap--not amnesty.
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  39. @whyamihere
    A bit off topic, but I just wanted to say that Steve sure is a witty writer. He always has a knack for addressing the absurdity of progressive arguments (whether that be on crime or immigration) in an entertaining way.
    The commenters here are some of the most informed people on the internet. They could do without the Jew hating though, that's uncalled for to say the least.

    … that’s uncalled for to say the least.

    Whyamihere, here there is no why.

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  40. @jim jones
    I believe he still posts on the Steve Hsu blog. Anyways here is a video of Japanese kids cleaning their own classroom - no janitor required for these little dynamos:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLo0phnh-kA

    no janitor required for these little dynamos

    Young Stephen Miller wasn’t big on tidiness theater:

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    I am always sad to see a high school which starts to resemble a trash-accumulating bidonville generally being haunted by 1) fat male denizens with Alcatraz trousers and dumbfuck headphones from the 70s now worn outdoors for some reason (will the ghetto blaster be back, too?) and 2) what can only be described as overdressed creatures of the night with unaccountably torn jeans.

    The loss of school uniforms was the start of the end.
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  41. m___ says:

    Notice to commenters.

    Just reporting an anomaly. Our comments history by search now only shows the last dozen, anything else cannot be called up any longer. Wonder what the explanation behind this is. Since we all comment, so our proud bits and bites can be accessed by all readers site-wide, over greater periods of time, it should be a “glitch” of meaning. If not, commenting, and comments not being searchable weeks later is about the equivalent of “shouting in the night”. Anybody having the same experience, having his comments archived by the system, but no longer rendered as a historical list of excerpts, as a total of words, as a total of comments made?

    If this is policy, then that should be notified to commenters in the site wide policy. Your “work” is no longer accessible to the readers of unz.com. Speaks for your status. Probably this is just a glitch, but since that is how code works, if your comments called up from the general search are truncated also, that will point to willig programming to keep you out of sight, the black hole. Not what you would appreciate as a return of your effort. The result is very “google” like, censorship.

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    I think its more of a safety check so that if someone gets outed by an Antifa dox there's not 100k words available to be taken out of context by the media.
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  42. If I were someone like Bill Gates who wanted to make a name for myself in education, I would give the Raven’s Progressive Matrices test to poor kids in poor countries(or our country) and setup leadership academies for the best scorers in my name.

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  43. m___ says:
    @Rod1963
    Gates is my age. He grew up going to schools for upper class whites like himself He has no idea what schools are like today.

    He also seems to be easily manipulated since he promoted that steaming pile of nonsense called "Common Core " which is the express train to killing a interest in children's ability to learn. The guy who peddled it wasn't even a teacher.

    That said, it was far easier to teach a homogeneous student population versus a "diverse" one where the students are two SD to the Left of the white students they used to teach and come from cultures where learning is not encouraged. Which makes it near impossible to impart knowledge to such children. Nor will they ever be "Westerners" they will remain Mexican or whatever their parents were.

    You can't fix that by throwing money at it.

    Like the old saying goes: "you turn a sow's ear into a silk purse"

    Billy “the” Gates has no excuse for being ignorant AND speaking out. “Noblesse obligue”.

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  44. @jim jones
    I believe he still posts on the Steve Hsu blog. Anyways here is a video of Japanese kids cleaning their own classroom - no janitor required for these little dynamos:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLo0phnh-kA

    And the lesson sticks:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44492611

    “World Cup: Japan fans impress by cleaning up stadium”

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  45. Anon[136] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m not going to be impressed until Gates blows his entire fortune pounding his SJW head against the wall of black stupidity. Hey, Billy-Boy, just give all your money to blacks and tell them to set it on fire while uttering voodoo chants to magically raise their IQs. The Gates Foundation works about as well.

    We need to come up with some anthropological term for someone who throws dollars at something and then expects magic to happen. It really is a type of witchcraft-level magical thinking.

    Gates is a good example of why Asperger’s disorder is bad. You can be a genius and still be dumb as heck if you have Asperger’s.

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    Gates is a good example of why Asperger’s disorder is bad. You can be a genius and still be dumb as heck if you have Asperger’s.
     
    If you think Bill Gates is some equalist loon who thinks that selection/evolution has been identical everywhere and that the various races have the same average genotypic IQs, then you are very confused about who he is.

    Gates wants more effective schooling to help make people as smart as they are capable of being. Gates wants to stay socially respectable. Gates is very careful never to let his thoughts about IQ wander into territory that would get him Watsoned. All true. But all that is not the same as being clueless.

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  46. Anon[136] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clifford Brown
    Much of the Rand Corporation is a loony bin these days. Think tanks are equivalent to monasteries. Analytics take place only after the ideological screening limits the scope of inquiry.

    Ideologically-based foundations are just the white person’s version of a potlatch.

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  47. Hindoo says:

    See, I have been telling this for years now.

    The reason that Black/Latino/White brudahs are under-represented at elite universities, such as UCLA, is NOT because of Desi/Oriental/Jew ethno-nepotism but simply because of higher IQs (adjusted for nutrition/primary education etc.), and, a culture of immanent excellence.

    Gates Foundation has finally got rid of PC and admitted to this as it does not want to be wrong side of history.

    Even bona fide White nationalists admit to this fact of nature.

    The US government should immediately increase caps for Desi H-1b workers, as there are insufficient talents in US labor market, and ensure a quick path to permanent residence/citizenship, if it wants to stay competitive AND relevant in the world.

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    “The US government should immediately increase caps for Desi H-1b workers, as there are insufficient talents in US labor market, and ensure a quick path to permanent residence/citizenship, if it wants to stay competitive AND relevant in the world.”

    Lol! Drop dead, parasite.
    , @MBlanc46
    Our market. Our talents. Back to India with you, Hindoo.
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  48. Medvedev says:
    @JimB
    Now that the left tail of the bell curve has let Bill Gates down, maybe he should spend a few bucks on the right tail. Perhaps he could endow a music conservatory, art school, or engineering college in Seattle open to gifted kids tuition-free. It can’t hurt his legacy to have a bunch of successful smart people grateful to him for their education.

    music conservatory, art school, or engineering college in Seattle open to gifted diverse and oppressed kids tuition-free

    fixed :)

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  49. Realist says:

    Once again Gates proves you don’t have to be smart to be rich.

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  50. Ed says:
    @whyamihere
    A bit off topic, but I just wanted to say that Steve sure is a witty writer. He always has a knack for addressing the absurdity of progressive arguments (whether that be on crime or immigration) in an entertaining way.
    The commenters here are some of the most informed people on the internet. They could do without the Jew hating though, that's uncalled for to say the least.

    I agree the anti-semitism here can get quite absurd. Still it’s not anti-Semitic to note that some of the loudest voices in support of open borders and transforming US demographics are disproportionately Jewish.

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    • Replies: @GSR
    Exactly correct. The media is flooded with Jews and Jews tend to be very left-wing and thus very, pro mass immigration/transformation of the USA.
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  51. Ed says:

    Education reform is one of the issues rich people use to project that they’re good people. Gates, Zuckerberg and Eli Broad have spent billions on education reform with scant results.

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    Billionaires are bad students: they never learn from their mistakes.
    , @anon
    But it seems so easy. Half the people here, even though they know better, have big ideas. Everything that can be known about education is mostly known and been tried.
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  52. El Dato says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    no janitor required for these little dynamos
     
    Young Stephen Miller wasn’t big on tidiness theater:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdmxTksbTVQ

    I am always sad to see a high school which starts to resemble a trash-accumulating bidonville generally being haunted by 1) fat male denizens with Alcatraz trousers and dumbfuck headphones from the 70s now worn outdoors for some reason (will the ghetto blaster be back, too?) and 2) what can only be described as overdressed creatures of the night with unaccountably torn jeans.

    The loss of school uniforms was the start of the end.

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  53. Tiny Duck says:

    Nikole Hannah Nones has pointed out that segregation is why Students of Color perform worse than white kid

    Children of Color are disadvantaged due to a system of white privileged and white supremacy

    Fortunately white girls are choosing Boys of Color to sleep with so someday racists will be bred out of existence

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    Oh no, Tiny, not so. Blacks are very racist. The more blacks there are the more racism there is.
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  54. El Dato says:
    @pscv
    Don't know if you saw this story about the consequences of slackening discipline at an NYC school, Steve: https://www.the74million.org/article/investigation-in-new-york-city-school-where-a-teenager-was-killed-students-educators-say-lax-discipline-led-to-bullying-chaos-and-death/

    This change was in line with New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio’s campaign promise of putting city schools at the vanguard of a nationwide movement to unwind traditional discipline in favor of a new progressive, or restorative, approach. At UA Wildlife, meaningful consequences for misbehavior were eliminated, alternative approaches failed, and administrators responded to a rising tide of disorder and violence by sweeping the evidence under the rug, students and teachers said. If they had prioritized student safety over statistics, McCree’s teachers believe, he would still be alive. And they fear that the dynamics that destroyed UA Wildlife are playing out across New York City.

    No problemo. For the next school shooting, we will examine in minute detail whether the barrel was fluted and whether there were particularly evil cartridges in the magazine.

    The kids quickly realized that their teachers could get into trouble for getting them into trouble. In a video shot by Vasquez in his classroom that was viewed by The 74, two girls are standing in front of the class, talking loudly. When he asks them to return to their seats, one girl yells, “I’m gonna stand right here! You not tellin’ me nothing! Mr. Primus not tellin’ me nothing! None of them teachers tellin’ me nothing! So I’m gonna stand right there!” The other girl chimes in, “I’ll take you to court!”

    Dem crazy ebonics.

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  55. “The Obama Administration jihad against school discipline — because blacks are suspended three times more than whites,”

    And yet as adults they commit crimes somewhere in the area of 7x more than whites. In other words, just like police killings 9justified), blacks are actually disciplined less than they should be.

    “Anyways here is a video of Japanese kids cleaning their own classroom – no janitor required for these little dynamos:”

    My children take turns cleaning the lunch room after lunch in their Catholic elementary school in flyover country here in the US.

    “If you believe in the blank slate, and if you notice the vast diversity of student outcomes in schools, then it seems obvious that schools can be radically improved”

    This is the fundamental issue of our time. If you believe in the blank slate, then the vast diversity of human outcomes are by definition caused by society. Ergo, society could be changed and thus erase that diversity of outcomes. Ergo, society should be changed.

    Limitless intervention into social structure, to erase evils (poverty or even inequality, different levels of civilization/housing/dining/disease/etc/etc/etc) is an inevitable consequence of believing in the blank slate.

    joeyjoejoe

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  56. m___ says:
    @Anonymous
    This article applies to soccer. Bad decisions really hurt a soccer team* and you can't "coach up" stupid. So keep paying for bright players (especially on defense) and don't spend too much on the coach.

    * very low scoring sports mean less room for overcoming a single mental error.

    A crafty analogy. You do not belong in the comments section!

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  57. Nobody is willing to say that the world would be a better place if Bill Gates wanted to leave all his wealth to his kids, that it’s actually a good thing to create dynasties. He should have been spending his time and resources trying to improve his company, but he apparently cares more about being a “great guy” than helping his posterity or accomplishing anything substantial.

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  58. CCR says:

    Didn’t Gates have a program to find the young Einsteins of Africa? Whatever came of that?

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    https://www.nexteinstein.org/?lang=en

    https://nef.org/

    Neil Turok founded, Bill Gates funded. Greg Cochran wrote about it last year:

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2017/01/27/turok-of-the-north/
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  59. @Anonymous
    This article applies to soccer. Bad decisions really hurt a soccer team* and you can't "coach up" stupid. So keep paying for bright players (especially on defense) and don't spend too much on the coach.

    * very low scoring sports mean less room for overcoming a single mental error.

    * very low scoring sports mean less room for overcoming a single mental error.

    Yesterday against Sweden, German midfield Toni Kroos made a huge error giving the ball away resulting in a goal for Sweden.

    However, he redeemed himself in the 5th minute of stoppage time with a spectacular game winning free kick. Possibly better even than Christiano Ronaldo’s against Spain.

    TV talking head reaction: “just when you write Germany off, they go and act extremely German”

    Indeed.

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    Re: Germany's soccer. This was written 20 years ago: http://www.rsssf.com/rssbest/germankit.html
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  60. A little off topic: On a few tv series that include characters who teach in “tough” schools, the white male teacher is completely ineffective in enforcing classroom order. Just when an unruly thug is about to lay down with the male teacher the female principal marches in and the the thugs immediately back off. Im thinking of The Wire and The Affair. A little Steve help here please.

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    There was a "story" on what passes for a national nightly television news program about "closing the achievement gap" by hiring "teachers who better resemble their students."

    Black male teachers. The black part passed the SJW screen of the network news writers, but that the male part was a critical part from an enforce discipline perspective, you could tell that whoever was "reporting the story" was just choking on those words. "Back to you, Lester!"
    , @cliff arroyo
    "the female principal marches in and the the thugs immediately back off"

    A lot of puzzling content of TV shows is essentially fan service for some segment of the audience
    That particular trope is fan service for women that allows them to project themselves into the action and fantasize that
    1) they're more powerful than the white men (you can get women to do almost anything if you sell it as challenging male power, or now specifically 'white male power')
    2) have a deep rapport with the young thugs who nevertheless respect her,
    3) she could totally hook up with the exciting young thugs if circumstances allowed.
    It's a softer, shorter version of the random, featureless female who drives a powerful, dangerous man (or men) mad with lust and love because of her effortless specialness.
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  61. GSR says:
    @Ed
    I agree the anti-semitism here can get quite absurd. Still it’s not anti-Semitic to note that some of the loudest voices in support of open borders and transforming US demographics are disproportionately Jewish.

    Exactly correct. The media is flooded with Jews and Jews tend to be very left-wing and thus very, pro mass immigration/transformation of the USA.

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  62. BB753 says:
    @Ed
    Education reform is one of the issues rich people use to project that they’re good people. Gates, Zuckerberg and Eli Broad have spent billions on education reform with scant results.

    Billionaires are bad students: they never learn from their mistakes.

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  63. 1. bill gates is the living embodiment of the aphorism ‘behind every great fortune lies a great theft’…
    he LITERALLY (old school literally meaning literally) dumpster dove and stole a copy of the early versions of an OS that is the basis for his fortune… he is a spoiled brat and thief…
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    2. for the infliction of the infection known as windoze, alone, he should be publicly horsewhipped…
    .
    3. he and his consort dabbling in ‘fixing’ education is laughable, better to teach dumpster diving…
    .
    4.spousal unit is a teacher, and it ain’t teachers, it is the 10-30% of out-of-control mini-monsters who act as if they are the central diva in their own private reality show… of course, that falls on the useless parents who not only leave all the heavy lifting of parenting to the schools/teachers, but THINK IT SHOULD BE THAT WAY… lazy, stupid, useless mouth-breathers that they are…
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    5. as a couple mentioned, it is ALL driven by reverse-racism, whereas it is IMPOSSIBLE to ‘refer’, ‘write up’, or otherwise kick out virtually ANY or ALL of the troublemakers, because -as far as THE SYSTEM is concerned- the TEACHER becomes the troublemaker by TRYING to maintain order… again, IMPOSSIBLE under the current dismissive, permissive system…
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    6. as an aside, one of the teachers where spousal unit works, had a disciplinary method that was probably not school board approved, but was apparently semi-effective… kept a basket of tennis balls at her desk, and when someone acted out, she winged a tennis ball at them… (that’s right, a tennis ball, not a nerf ball, not a whiffle ball, a tennis ball… not exactly a shotput, but it will leave a mark…) a MINOR, minor detail: IF she had been a white teacher, she would have been figuratively -if not literally- hung… BUT, since she was an old black lady, EVERYONE looked the other way… except the students… hhh

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  64. Travis says:
    @SimpleSong
    It's tough for the teaching profession to thread this needle.

    If teachers can really make a difference, then student's failures can also be pinned on them.

    On the other hand if they don't make a difference and it's the quality of the student that matters, then why bother paying anything more than peanuts?

    Healthcare has a similar dillemma.

    which may well explain why the teachers at the exclusive private schools in my area earn about half what they earn at the Public Schools here…my town has 4 private schools, tuition is between 40,000 and 50,000 per year at these schools and the average teacher earns just $42,000 at these schools while the public school teachers here earn an average salary of $78,500.

    if teachers and schools make no difference and have no effect on student outcome why are so many upper middle class Americans wasting so much money to get their kids into good schools and wasting so much money on sending their kids to private schools ?

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    So their kids don't have to deal with future violent felons at school.
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  65. O/T A spectacular gem from Matt Yglesias

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    It did, from West Africa.
    , @SonOfStrom
    Another entry for the “Too Clever By Half” department. Matty Y is an endless source of entertainment.
    , @Jefferson
    Does Matthew Yglesias think Whites are the reason The Deep South has a high murder rate? Does he think Deep South cities like Birmingham, Little Rock, Memphis, New Orleans, etc are North Dakota level White?
    , @Jefferson
    Does Matthew Yglesias think Whites are the reason The Deep South has a high murder rate? Does he think Deep South cities like Birmingham, Little Rock, Memphis, New Orleans, etc are North Dakota level White?

    Non Southerners on The Left who never step foot in Birmingham for example assume because Lynyrd Skynyrd says "in Birmingham they love the governor" in Sweet Home Alabama that it must be in Social Justice Warrior language an"unbearably White" Redneck city where a Black person will constantly be stared at because there are so few of them there.
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  66. @Dan Hayes
    Steve,

    Bill and his consort Melinda could have saved a lot of their ill-begotten loot by paying attention to the message of Bob Weissberg's 2010 book Bad Students, Not Bad Schools. Of course, Weissberg is a frequent contributor to The Unz Review.

    It should be noted that the primary purpose of the Gates's philanthropic largess is not educational reform per se but public relations bellowing of their good deeds, thereby updating John D Rockefeller's distribution of dimes.

    Thanks for the plug. Here in NYC there’s a big experiment to move kids (mainly blacks and Hispanics) from “under-performing schools” to better schools where they can learn by osmosis from smart whites and Asians. Denial never stops.

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    Magic schools has been the driving idea behind integration for 50+ years now.
    , @dcite
    Experiment means something new. They've been trying that disruptive voodoo for 60 years. It never works. Isn't that the definition of insanity?
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  67. TheJester says:

    I recently spent time in local 1st Grade-through-5 Grade public school classrooms through a program to involve parents/grandparents in the educational process. It was enlightening.

    The system is challenged by having to fold large numbers of immigrant children from alien cultures and religions into the same neighborhood schools. Our grandson’s elementary school has a broad mix of students from China, Nigeria, Ghana, India, Pakistan, Mexico, San Salvador, Honduras, Somalia, South Korea, MENA, etc., alongside white American children with a heritage from Northern Europe. Asian students typically run off with the academic awards and chess championships. The students from sub-Saharan Africa have the most issues.

    The challenge of immigration is compounded by trying to integrate autistic children and children with other learning/behavioral disabilities into classrooms with other students. It seems that every classroom has a quota of children who are not expected to learn or follow directions. They’re just “there”. The other children are trained to ignore their antics and disruptive distractions.

    Conclusions: Public education in the United States can barely hold its own in the face of (1) massive immigration from a hodgepodge of cultures, religions, languages, IQs, and (2) the integration of children with learning and/or behavioral disabilities into regular classrooms. This represents too broad a range of special, social, and cultural needs among the students for teachers to focus on academics.

    In more concrete terms, it is impossible for a school system to succeed when one teacher with a 1:22 teacher/student ratio is expected to reach children with IQs ranging from 86 to 120 … compounded by language and cultural issues … compounded by responsibility for children with special needs and learning disabilities.

    It can’t be done.

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    And people wonder why homeschooling and charter schools are so popular. It's not just what parents are running TO, it's also what they're running FROM.
    , @midtown
    Good points, thank you!
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  68. JMcG says:

    Maybe Gates is dropping a couple of billion every few years, money he won’t even miss, to slowly eliminate all the hypotheses used to explain the gap? He’s proven, to his satisfaction at least, that it’s not school size or teacher quality, or curriculum I suppose. It could be that he’s playing the long game.

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  69. RonaldB says:
    @Dan Hayes
    Steve,

    Bill and his consort Melinda could have saved a lot of their ill-begotten loot by paying attention to the message of Bob Weissberg's 2010 book Bad Students, Not Bad Schools. Of course, Weissberg is a frequent contributor to The Unz Review.

    It should be noted that the primary purpose of the Gates's philanthropic largess is not educational reform per se but public relations bellowing of their good deeds, thereby updating John D Rockefeller's distribution of dimes.

    Note that the study reports on the ineffectiveness of intervention programs to change teacher behavior. In other words, regardless of training and SJW nagging, teachers teach as they always have. The more important question not addressed in this particular report is, if the teacher behavior had been successfully modified, would the changed teacher behavior have positively affected the students. I realize this has been studied extensively in other studies, but as reported, this study focuses on teachers, not on students.

    There is also another factor to consider, which is the feedback loop. When teachers use the motivational methods dreamed up by ivory-tower armchair experts on their low-IQ, low impulse-control classes, the obvious feedback from the class itself drives them back to their original teaching methodology.

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  70. pyrrhus says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    How about really long schools days?

    In many East Asian nations, children attend school from early in the morning through mid afternoon. Then they go to cram school for another few hours. They do this about 6 days per week. During the summer, they go to cram school.

    I wonder how well this approach would work in the United States.

    Badly, school and school cramming interferes with creativity and free thought. Which is where Americans have clobbered East Asia for centuries.

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    Exactly. We didn't have long school days at the height of our power and prestige. Rather than "looking forward" or trying to keep up with the Joneses (the Joneses, in this case, being a handful of Asian countries), why not look back to when things were really balanced.

    I, for one, am in favor of reinstituting half-day Kindergarten with mandatory nap-time. It will all flow from there.
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  71. pyrrhus says:
    @jim jones
    I believe he still posts on the Steve Hsu blog. Anyways here is a video of Japanese kids cleaning their own classroom - no janitor required for these little dynamos:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLo0phnh-kA

    Japanese genes at work….

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  72. @Clifford Brown
    Much of the Rand Corporation is a loony bin these days. Think tanks are equivalent to monasteries. Analytics take place only after the ideological screening limits the scope of inquiry.

    I worked with a guy years ago who told our boss Ron, “I’m gonna go work for ABC Think Tank so I can do some cutting edge work”. Ron said, “Dave, most of the the work you’ll be given comes with the expected answers”. Dave went anyway, but came back in a year, saying Ron was right.

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  73. roo_ster says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    How about really long schools days?

    In many East Asian nations, children attend school from early in the morning through mid afternoon. Then they go to cram school for another few hours. They do this about 6 days per week. During the summer, they go to cram school.

    I wonder how well this approach would work in the United States.

    Wby punish tbe majority of students who do not need that quantity of grind to manage an education?

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  74. ‘… If you want teachers who love thinking about better ways to teach The Great Gatsby, you need administrators who love thinking about better ways to put punks in their places…’

    Didn’t Trump’s dad send his son to military school? I wonder why. If you’re a public school teacher in a tough neighbourhood it’s a lot harder than you think-and always has been:

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    I think you are making too much of Trump's attendance a military school. I was sent to military school as well as my cousin Willie. I wasn't very tough in those days. I was little and pudgy. I got in a lot of fights in Junior High but always on the losing end.

    I only escaped being a punching bag at school everyday by out growing everyone else.

    I couldn't figure out what part Sidney Poitier was playing in the film clip. I thought he was the heroic teacher. But no, that was the Glen Ford part. Then I figured he was some kind of teachers' assistant. Again no. To my amazement he was supposed to be one of the high school students. Poitier was 28 when he played that high school student. Maybe he was held back ten times or so.
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  75. scrivener3 says: • Website
    @jim jones
    I believe he still posts on the Steve Hsu blog. Anyways here is a video of Japanese kids cleaning their own classroom - no janitor required for these little dynamos:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLo0phnh-kA

    What Gates should have used his money for is importing a bunch of Japanese children and put them in the school. Reminds me of story that advisors told Gorbachev that what Russia needed was Swedish Socialism, he reportedly replied “Where will I get all the Swedes?”

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  76. dr kill says:
    @WowJustWow
    I'm starting to think that education reform is a jobs program in itself. Can you imagine how much busywork is created by revamping the K-12 curriculum every five years or so? Eventually Bill and the other educational innovators will run out of ideas and we'll cycle back to New Math.

    Was anyone else forced to learn New Math from Numo and Nimbo in 60- 63 period? I finally had my dad teach me long division. The New Math fucked us all .

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    We had "Maryland Math", sixth grade, 1962. Some attempt by U.of Md. to re-invent the wheel. Completely incomprehensible to me, a mystery to my dad who was an engineer. Fortunately, I was able to use "arithmetic" to eventually get the correct answers. The smart kids thrived on it; the bastards.
    , @Marty
    Duckducking, I can’t find a reference to Numo/Nimbo re math instruction.
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  77. Pat Boyle says:
    @WowJustWow
    I'm starting to think that education reform is a jobs program in itself. Can you imagine how much busywork is created by revamping the K-12 curriculum every five years or so? Eventually Bill and the other educational innovators will run out of ideas and we'll cycle back to New Math.

    I tried to post a comment at the end of this thread but found that the comments were closed. Huh?

    I thought for few minutes to see if I could imagine an ‘EDUCATION REFORM’ that might make a difference. It took about two minutes. I propose that high school students are all required to take Algebra twice. If they take Algebra II then they should take Algebra I twice and Algebra II twice.

    There are many immediate advantages to this plan. First of all the kids will learn more algebra. Secondly they won’t have time in their schedule for all those empty headed filler classes like ethnic studies or sociology. All kids should take the real courses more than once. For example – American History. Study the period leading up to the Civil War using two different text books and two different political perspectives.

    Recently I read Victor Davis Hanson’s new book “The Second World Wars”. It wasn’t because I knew nothing of that period. I have read – like most of this blog’s readership – many histories of our conflict with the Nazis and Fascists. But Hanson is a good historian. I wanted his perspective.

    Similarly I took statistics in college several times as I changed my major. I took stat in the psychology department, the business department and the math department. I got pretty good at statistics. So I would require all high school students to take algebra as freshmen and then again when they became seniors. After all those stat classes I ended up teaching stat in colleges. My universal observation was that my students never knew much math. I used to give what I called the “Smurf Algebra Test”. I got it from the TV cartoon. It was too advanced for any of my college students.

    There – I offer this advice free. If you are grateful I will accept two billion dollars as a reward.

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    I'd suggest that instead of taking algebra, geometry and trig twice students only take these classes so they aren't burdened with having to take English or History classes ( and doing homework for them) when they are learning the most demanding courses high schools offer.
    , @Pat Boyle
    I thought of a couple more EDUCATIONAL REFORMS. This isn't very hard.

    I think we should pay teachers less. We have certainly tried paying them more and that doesn't work. Let's try thinking outside the box.

    Why do would-be reformers think increasing wages will yield better results? For example, when you go to the grocery store there is some guy who puts your groceries in a bag. I don't know what they are paid but I imagine it's not very much. But grocery baggers are not perfect. Yet there is no reformist movement to pay the baggers more. No one thinks that makes any sense.

    Teaching some subjects at some levels requires more skill and talent than bagging groceries.

    If we were to lower the salaries of public school teachers some of the brightest would quit and go into other fields - perhaps some of them would become grocery baggers, thereby improving the public's grocery buying experience. Win-win.
    , @WowJustWow
    In a good STEM education, even if you just stick to the required courses, it often feels like you're taking the same course over again from slightly different perspectives each time, particularly linear algebra and differential equations. But even then, very few students outside of pure math majors ever achieve a mature, unified understanding that comes from a synthesis of those perspectives. The trouble is, it's difficult to become convinced of the value of that level of understanding until you've actually acquired it. I certainly didn't until I was years out of college, and then I started kicking myself for having never taken abstract algebra.

    But I don't think forcing students into a ladder-like progression of mastery, even at elite levels, is the right approach. Leaning breadth helps create a foundation for learning depth. Letting students make lateral moves into different subjects so they can start to make intuitive connections to existing knowledge on their own is a better way to identify which of them are ready for a higher synthesis, so you don't end up thrusting a bunch of them into an advanced class that many will drop or fail. It's a vast body of knowledge, and it takes a while to get from not knowing what you don't know to knowing what you don't know to knowing how to decide what's best for you to learn next.
    , @Anan
    This is brilliant. I ended up taking integral and differential calculus at least three times each in high school and college, with A's, but it didn't click at the Eureka level until the last time. Before then I could do the problems, but I couldn't imagine how anyone could have thought it up. The last time I had the experience of thinking, This is obvious, this is how Leibnitz andNew came up with this stuff!
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  78. @JohnnyWalker123
    How about really long schools days?

    In many East Asian nations, children attend school from early in the morning through mid afternoon. Then they go to cram school for another few hours. They do this about 6 days per week. During the summer, they go to cram school.

    I wonder how well this approach would work in the United States.

    A major reason why the east Asian birthrate is so low – parents pay for “cram school” and both sons and daughters go. They can’t afford more than two kids.

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  79. @Steve Sailer
    Here's a proposal for Bill Gates to test out: Go to a place like St. Paul, where the Obama Administration's war on disparate impact in public school discipline, was taken seriously, and see how much you can improve things by boosting discipline.

    see how much you can improve things by boosting discipline.

    When supporters of private or charter schools point out their superior results, defenders of public schools typically argue that such schools can be selective, and they refuse to admit or expel students that are disruptive while public schools cannot.

    Why not? If it is true that simply excluding those that are uninterested in learning, frequently break the rules, and disrupt the classroom, can produce such superior results, why not remove them to a special “magnet school” for rotten little brats? The public school system may be obliged to warehouse such “students” somewhere, but that does not mean it has to permit them to impair the quality of school for the educable. Set up the “Whippingham Academy for Incorrigible Minors” (motto: “Spare the rod and spoil the child”), and send the problem children there. Then the others can learn in peace at the ordinary district schools.

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    Disparate impact prevents schools from segregating by ability because it will result in segregated schools like in NYC.
    Not sure how NYC is exempt from disparate impact rulings which forced schools in New Jersey to end tracking in schools. NJ schools which used test scores to separate the best students from the average and the average students from the poor students is not permitted in NJ, due to court cases brought to the federal level. Even banning the testing requirement was not enough , the lawsuits continued because although schools no longer required a test to take AP course the classes remained mostly white as Blacks chose not to take the harder classes....yet the lawsuits continue and will now force NJ to push Blacks into AP classes to avoid disparate impact.
    , @AnotherDad

    Why not? If it is true that simply excluding those that are uninterested in learning, frequently break the rules, and disrupt the classroom, can produce such superior results, why not remove them to a special “magnet school” for rotten little brats? The public school system may be obliged to warehouse such “students” somewhere, but that does not mean it has to permit them to impair the quality of school for the educable. Set up the “Whippingham Academy for Incorrigible Minors” (motto: “Spare the rod and spoil the child”), and send the problem children there. Then the others can learn in peace at the ordinary district schools.
     
    Very well put Crawfurdmuir.

    Yeah, you always get this public school propaganda … "but we have to educate all students". Very true--but then do it! Instead this is coupled with this extreme equalist b.s. "we can't exclude …", "everyone is entitled …" , "all students college ready …" which means we're going to let the garbage shit on everyone else.

    At root it's this same aversion to exclusion that's at the root of all leftist b.s.--except, of course, for these leftists excluding bad whites from their elite institutions and excluding all the "diversity" they claim to love so much from *their* schools, *their* neighborhoods, *their* workplaces.
    , @Pat Boyle
    I hate to make intemperate statements or discordant comments but the answer is looming before us. We are going to have to kill them.

    Let's establish some agreed upon facts. First the Earth is right now overpopulated. By my reckoning we have five billion too many people. I don't really believe in most of ecological doomsday scenarios but it seems obvious that a world with two and a half billion people like we had when I was a kid is more stable than one with seven and a half billion.

    Second most people make no contribution to the betterment of humanity. I like to say that you need an IQ of 130 to do anything important. We can argue about the exact score but whatever it is , it is going up every year.

    No serious education reforms have worked. The Africans, Maoris and Aborigines are not catching up.

    The Africans are having a population explosion.

    None of those propositions is in serious doubt by serious people.

    The basic situation of a human being is that you are born and you die. We have chosen to greatly decrease the rate at which people die. Formerly the natural processes caused lots of death. If we have artificially decreased death we will sooner or later have to supplement that process with deaths of our own devising.

    I don't like that conclusion but I can't see a way out of our predicament. Man has taken responsibility for more and more formerly uncontrolled processes. If the population - particularly the low talent left side of the distribution population - doesn't somehow get itself under control. There will arise those to address the problem.
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  80. Barnard says:
    @Dan Hayes
    Steve,

    Bill and his consort Melinda could have saved a lot of their ill-begotten loot by paying attention to the message of Bob Weissberg's 2010 book Bad Students, Not Bad Schools. Of course, Weissberg is a frequent contributor to The Unz Review.

    It should be noted that the primary purpose of the Gates's philanthropic largess is not educational reform per se but public relations bellowing of their good deeds, thereby updating John D Rockefeller's distribution of dimes.

    Yes, but the big difference between Gates and someone like Jeffrey Sachs is that Gates admits it when his big ideas don’t work. He still doesn’t seem willing to try solutions that fall outside the progressive approved spectrum though.

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  81. Oprah Fan says:

    Gates should take a page from Oprah’s book. Oprah had the chance to either open a school for poor girls in the US or South Africa. She wisely chose South Africa. Gates should figure out he can’t help poor people in the US, but he can do a lot of good in the poor world.

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    She wisely chose South Africa.
     
    Right, hardly any glitches over there.
    , @Brutusale
    Nice try, troll boi. From those right wingers at WaPo:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/01/09/oprah-might-run-for-president-we-did-the-opposition-research-for-you/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.add6520d7524
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  82. Hubbub says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    To Bill Gates’ credit, he periodically announces that some education reform fad boondoggle he has financed has failed empirically.
     
    Good to hear - when's he going to announce anything about Windows?

    Software is supposed to be used as a tool. Most real tools don't require one to relearn their use every coupla years!

    Good to hear – when’s he going to announce anything about Windows?

    LOL – good one!

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  83. unit472 says:
    @JimB
    Now that the left tail of the bell curve has let Bill Gates down, maybe he should spend a few bucks on the right tail. Perhaps he could endow a music conservatory, art school, or engineering college in Seattle open to gifted kids tuition-free. It can’t hurt his legacy to have a bunch of successful smart people grateful to him for their education.

    That is what, historically, philanthropy was about. Leland Stanford, Cornelius Vanderbilt, James Duke etc did not endow their eponymous schools to teach remedial courses to hoodrats though many scholarships were funded to enable talented poor people to attend out finest schools. It was only in the 1960′s that the education of low IQ louts became a national issue.

    After more than 50 years and countless studies and failed programs we find there is no solution to the problem. Worse we have allowed the low IQ louts to destroy the ability of public school teachers to teach those who can be taught.

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  84. Pat Boyle says:
    @anony-mouse
    '... If you want teachers who love thinking about better ways to teach The Great Gatsby, you need administrators who love thinking about better ways to put punks in their places...'


    Didn't Trump's dad send his son to military school? I wonder why. If you're a public school teacher in a tough neighbourhood it's a lot harder than you think-and always has been:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x53MiglduxY

    I think you are making too much of Trump’s attendance a military school. I was sent to military school as well as my cousin Willie. I wasn’t very tough in those days. I was little and pudgy. I got in a lot of fights in Junior High but always on the losing end.

    I only escaped being a punching bag at school everyday by out growing everyone else.

    I couldn’t figure out what part Sidney Poitier was playing in the film clip. I thought he was the heroic teacher. But no, that was the Glen Ford part. Then I figured he was some kind of teachers’ assistant. Again no. To my amazement he was supposed to be one of the high school students. Poitier was 28 when he played that high school student. Maybe he was held back ten times or so.

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    Vic Morrow, age about 27, was the thug in the movie.

    A friend graduated from high school in 1954. He told me that in history class there was a boy who was a punk. Finally, the male history teacher, a WWII vet, had enough. He told the girls to leave the room and challenged the boy to a fight. In those days, it was unthinkable for a teenager to strike a grownup much less a teacher and he was pounded.


    I need to see this move. It popularized "Rock Around the Clock."
    , @Truth
    Hey great example!

    It worked to a "T" for Sir Sid; he turned his life around, and 5 years later he was saving all those little heathens in London.
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  85. A friend once worked at an all-black middle school in Akron, Ohio. The goal of most of the students was to be a welfare recipient or gangbanger. Girls deliberately became pregnant in order to collect welfare and 10-15% were pregnant at any given time. Originally, Ohio provided five years of welfare per child, then cut the length of time to three, thinking that that would discourage baby breeding for fun and profit. It didn’t – it only encouraged girls to have a child every three years instead. Her husband remarked that they wouldn’t work even if the jobs came back – at one time, Akron was the rubber manufacture (no pun intended) capital of the world. She and her husband live nearby in a nearly all-white suburb. I once asked her if there was public transportation available to Akron and she replied, “Oh, no, we don’t want them here.” Despite that, my friend is a devout Christian who opposes abortion and thinks that we must “take care” of these violent, parasitic individuals.

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  86. unit472 says:
    @Pat Boyle
    I tried to post a comment at the end of this thread but found that the comments were closed. Huh?

    I thought for few minutes to see if I could imagine an 'EDUCATION REFORM' that might make a difference. It took about two minutes. I propose that high school students are all required to take Algebra twice. If they take Algebra II then they should take Algebra I twice and Algebra II twice.

    There are many immediate advantages to this plan. First of all the kids will learn more algebra. Secondly they won't have time in their schedule for all those empty headed filler classes like ethnic studies or sociology. All kids should take the real courses more than once. For example - American History. Study the period leading up to the Civil War using two different text books and two different political perspectives.

    Recently I read Victor Davis Hanson's new book "The Second World Wars". It wasn't because I knew nothing of that period. I have read - like most of this blog's readership - many histories of our conflict with the Nazis and Fascists. But Hanson is a good historian. I wanted his perspective.

    Similarly I took statistics in college several times as I changed my major. I took stat in the psychology department, the business department and the math department. I got pretty good at statistics. So I would require all high school students to take algebra as freshmen and then again when they became seniors. After all those stat classes I ended up teaching stat in colleges. My universal observation was that my students never knew much math. I used to give what I called the "Smurf Algebra Test". I got it from the TV cartoon. It was too advanced for any of my college students.

    There - I offer this advice free. If you are grateful I will accept two billion dollars as a reward.

    I’d suggest that instead of taking algebra, geometry and trig twice students only take these classes so they aren’t burdened with having to take English or History classes ( and doing homework for them) when they are learning the most demanding courses high schools offer.

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  87. @Pat Boyle
    I think you are making too much of Trump's attendance a military school. I was sent to military school as well as my cousin Willie. I wasn't very tough in those days. I was little and pudgy. I got in a lot of fights in Junior High but always on the losing end.

    I only escaped being a punching bag at school everyday by out growing everyone else.

    I couldn't figure out what part Sidney Poitier was playing in the film clip. I thought he was the heroic teacher. But no, that was the Glen Ford part. Then I figured he was some kind of teachers' assistant. Again no. To my amazement he was supposed to be one of the high school students. Poitier was 28 when he played that high school student. Maybe he was held back ten times or so.

    Vic Morrow, age about 27, was the thug in the movie.

    A friend graduated from high school in 1954. He told me that in history class there was a boy who was a punk. Finally, the male history teacher, a WWII vet, had enough. He told the girls to leave the room and challenged the boy to a fight. In those days, it was unthinkable for a teenager to strike a grownup much less a teacher and he was pounded.

    I need to see this move. It popularized “Rock Around the Clock.”

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    I need to see this move. It popularized “Rock Around the Clock.”
     
    Don't bother. It is terrible. All the "teenagers" are in their 20s and the story blows.
    , @Pat Boyle
    Every year they give some guy an Oscar for makeup but no current makeup can make you in your late twenties look as if you are a teenager. This will all change and for the better I think when actors routinely wear photorealistic CGI masks on their faces. Actually they won't wear anything while on the set. The mask will be added in post production. Teen agers are also usually more slender so skinny actors will get most of these parts.

    I just saw the movie Churchill starring Brian Cox (it's terrible). Cox had to gain forty pounds so he wouldn't have to wear a fat suit. I wore a fat suit when I sang Bartolo in a Barber production. I thought I would pass out from the heat. It's even worse for the young male actors who have to diet and exercise for months to prepare for the ten second scene where they take off their shirt to show their washboard stomach.

    All that will soon go away too. Someone will develop the technology to add those belly lumps in post and the actors can continue to lead their lives of indulgence and dissipation.

    All of the fabulously successful Marvel movies are cartoons. Soon the nominal actors too will be cartoons. I imagine that movie stars will become team efforts. Edmond Purdom sang like Mario Lanza. Rossano Brazzi sang with Giorgio Tozzi's voice. So it's been done. Soon with just a little more tech they will dance like Astaire or Baryshnikov.

    In fact why don't we have our action stars today accept their awards at the Oscars along with all their stunt and body doubles? The guy who accepts the statuette nowadays is just the guy who we see in the closeups. But soon the seamless CGI masks they wear will mean we never see their real faces even when the camera zooms in for a reaction shot.
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  88. The Z Blog says: • Website

    OT: Looks like not everyone shares your enthusiasm for Ramzan Kadyrov.

    Mohamed Salah considering quitting Egypt team over Ramzan Kadyrov row.

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  89. Marty says:

    But, got to be careful about different cultural meanings of “punk.” Remember what happened to Frank Lucchesi.

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  90. Pat Boyle says:
    @Pat Boyle
    I tried to post a comment at the end of this thread but found that the comments were closed. Huh?

    I thought for few minutes to see if I could imagine an 'EDUCATION REFORM' that might make a difference. It took about two minutes. I propose that high school students are all required to take Algebra twice. If they take Algebra II then they should take Algebra I twice and Algebra II twice.

    There are many immediate advantages to this plan. First of all the kids will learn more algebra. Secondly they won't have time in their schedule for all those empty headed filler classes like ethnic studies or sociology. All kids should take the real courses more than once. For example - American History. Study the period leading up to the Civil War using two different text books and two different political perspectives.

    Recently I read Victor Davis Hanson's new book "The Second World Wars". It wasn't because I knew nothing of that period. I have read - like most of this blog's readership - many histories of our conflict with the Nazis and Fascists. But Hanson is a good historian. I wanted his perspective.

    Similarly I took statistics in college several times as I changed my major. I took stat in the psychology department, the business department and the math department. I got pretty good at statistics. So I would require all high school students to take algebra as freshmen and then again when they became seniors. After all those stat classes I ended up teaching stat in colleges. My universal observation was that my students never knew much math. I used to give what I called the "Smurf Algebra Test". I got it from the TV cartoon. It was too advanced for any of my college students.

    There - I offer this advice free. If you are grateful I will accept two billion dollars as a reward.

    I thought of a couple more EDUCATIONAL REFORMS. This isn’t very hard.

    I think we should pay teachers less. We have certainly tried paying them more and that doesn’t work. Let’s try thinking outside the box.

    Why do would-be reformers think increasing wages will yield better results? For example, when you go to the grocery store there is some guy who puts your groceries in a bag. I don’t know what they are paid but I imagine it’s not very much. But grocery baggers are not perfect. Yet there is no reformist movement to pay the baggers more. No one thinks that makes any sense.

    Teaching some subjects at some levels requires more skill and talent than bagging groceries.

    If we were to lower the salaries of public school teachers some of the brightest would quit and go into other fields – perhaps some of them would become grocery baggers, thereby improving the public’s grocery buying experience. Win-win.

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  91. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @27 year old

    * very low scoring sports mean less room for overcoming a single mental error.
     
    Yesterday against Sweden, German midfield Toni Kroos made a huge error giving the ball away resulting in a goal for Sweden.

    However, he redeemed himself in the 5th minute of stoppage time with a spectacular game winning free kick. Possibly better even than Christiano Ronaldo's against Spain.

    TV talking head reaction: "just when you write Germany off, they go and act extremely German"

    Indeed.

    Re: Germany’s soccer. This was written 20 years ago: http://www.rsssf.com/rssbest/germankit.html

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  92. Brutusale says:
    @Dave from Oz

    This conclusion to an expensive chapter of teacher-evaluation reform shows the difficulty of making sweeping, lasting changes to teacher performance.
     
    a) Because if there actually was a magical shortcut to being more effective, teachers would already be doing it.

    b) Because if there actually was a magical shortcut to being more effective that the teachers did not already know, it's not likely that Bill Gate's team would know it.

    Which is to say, the problem isn't that teachers are incompetent or that they are deliberately holding back education from their students. Why, then, do Ayers Bros seem to believe this? Because humans are idiots, and prone to simply making shit up and then believing it. The examples of well-intentioned and sometimes quite intelligent people doing this are too numerous to count.

    You’re assuming that the Ayers Bros., one a former domestic terrorist, have the students’ best interests at heart. They make a tidy living telling wealthy leftists that their theories are sound and that they should give them money to implement them.

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  93. Anon7 says:

    “…private schools… often will, say, make the offensive line assistant football coach the Dean of Discipline and have him run detentions.“

    This sage advice has come too late, for me anyway, with my kids. In the summer prior to my son’s senior year in high school, the woman who taught AP biology was basically forced into retirement with a districtwide buyout package that was too good to miss. This woman had a PhD in botany, and did a great job of teaching my daughter two years before.

    Unfortunately, the only person available to teach Advanced Placement Biology was the baseball coach. It turned out that there was no increase in “hustle” or even time spent in the batting cage that could improve this guy’s knowledge of biology, which was exactly zero. He couldn’t even read out of the book, because the words were too big.

    The kids turned the class into a study hall, learning from early Khan academy videos and reading the book. My son probably needed the extra time to do his math homework, since he was taking honors math analysis at our local university, which required 25-50 hours of homework per week.

    Our education system is a farce.

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  94. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    The problem with school reform is that anything that has any chance of working absolutely requires special schools for very low IQ students. And everyone knows how they will end up looking, so it can’t be done. Short of apartheid-style segregation, of course.

    Gates is a smart enough guy, I am sure that he is actually aware of the problems and half-understands what can and cannot work. It’s just that a few $billion wasted here and there is not enough of an incentive for him to disagree with his wife. And Melinda frequently sounds like a loony who constantly makes an effort to not understand the world around her.

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  95. Alden [AKA "Vera Figner"] says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    How about really long schools days?

    In many East Asian nations, children attend school from early in the morning through mid afternoon. Then they go to cram school for another few hours. They do this about 6 days per week. During the summer, they go to cram school.

    I wonder how well this approach would work in the United States.

    Longer school days and shorter school vacations just means more time to indoctrinate children in the latest racist anti White propaganda.

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  96. Today’s local radio talk show featured the president of the Buffalo Teachers Federation, that is the teacher’s union. The never ending mantra is that students would do better if there were fewer of them per classroom. But consider this; teachers today have Teacher’s Aides who lighten the workload by doing lots of the mundane classroom tasks. They also cover the teacher’s back. In Buffalo high schools 37% of the students miss 35 days or more of class, that’s seven weeks of school. More help in the class room (aides) combined with fewer students (absent for seven weeks or more) and Buffalo schools should be excelling. Oh, forgot to mention that Buffalo Teachers average 18 or more days absent from the classroom, that’s almost 4 weeks of class. Union Teachers are a criminal enterprise. There are no consequences for students failing to learn or should that be taught ? In the nearby Buffalo suburb of Williamsville, the teacher’s union proudly points to the fact that all of the School Board members (six I think) were handpicked and supported by the Teacher’s Association. What could possibly be wrong with that. Bill Gates et. al. should search out, identify and support individual students who show early promise. Let the School Boards and Teachers Associations near the money and you’ve pissed it away.

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  97. sabril says:
    @whyamihere
    A bit off topic, but I just wanted to say that Steve sure is a witty writer. He always has a knack for addressing the absurdity of progressive arguments (whether that be on crime or immigration) in an entertaining way.
    The commenters here are some of the most informed people on the internet. They could do without the Jew hating though, that's uncalled for to say the least.

    I agree, but there basically only two kinds of discussion forums on the internet: Those where non-PC statements are welcome; and those where non-PC statements are frowned upon. The former are magnets for anti-Semites; the latter are magnets for Leftist virtue-signallers who are constantly trying to silence those who question the PC orthodoxy.

    I prefer the former type of discussion forum. On the latter, I typically get banned. Once I make some innocuous but non-PC statement, I am marked for excommunication by Leftist rules-lawyers.

    Part of the problem is that there is a blurry line between facts which are true but offensive and full on murderous hatred.

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  98. Gates’ status signaling buffoonery, all of it destructive to civilization and retention of capital, is why I’m such a big Paul Allen fan. Paul puts his Microcrap money into things that create good jobs, advance science and understanding, and advance mankind. Paul’s name won’t be associated with the demographic tidal wave from Africa that will subsume all civilization by 2100AD.

    Maybe Gates needed a good dose of the lymphoma Allen (and Sailer and I) survived? Note that Gates and Ballmer tried to screw Allen out of his Microcrap shares while Allen was undergoing his cancer treatments.

    https://www.cnet.com/news/paul-allen-gates-ballmer-tried-to-rip-me-off/

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    He coulda owned a sports franchise. The Mariners coulda been the Yankees. Or fixed African population explosion. Oh well.
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  99. Pat Boyle says:
    @Anon
    This is by no means a new result. Why is anyone still bothering to study this?

    OT

    (and I mean really deeply off topic)

    What we need now are better spell checkers. I have a few ideas. I’m always disappointed to see someone use the possessive term ‘their’ or the adverb ‘there’ when they mean the same sounding contraction ‘they’re’.

    Surely by now with all the multi core CPUs we have enough client side computational power to scan a candidate sentence or paragraph for content and context. We should also be able to have the machine also correct typical typing errors. For example on a standard QWERTY keyboard, your right index finger is supposed to rest on the ‘J’ key. That J is surrounded by the HUIKMN letters. If you type badly (as I do) you might substitute one of those other letters for the J. Your word processing editor should substitute the intended letter. Most of the better editors like the one used on this blog already do something similar for common misspellings. It’s time to proceed to miss-typings.

    Currently spelling errors are flagged in red (for the Communist or Republican Parties I presume). With more and more analysis being done by the software we will need a color for ambiguous cases. On the political state analogy, I recommend purple.

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    Some of the typos I notice appear to be caused by software "correcting" something and nobody checking to see whether the result is correct. Perhaps some folks just think if the computer suggests it, it must be correct?

    But yes, there are "mistakes" that don't make sense, and it seems that software could be designed to check over a few paragraphs back to check the logic and alert someone that what they are saying is illogical.

    The one that really bothers me is when the text says "can" and it is evident that the person originating the content said "can't". I noticed it most in a San Antonio, TX, newspaper when I lived there about 20 years ago. Some folks there almost pronounce "can't" with a silent "t", and even in conversation the only way to tell which is meant is from context.

    Maybe Bill Gates would have more success solving this problem than solving the educational issues. Think what a boon it would be if newspapers made sense, at least logically, if not always factually.
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  100. @Pat Boyle
    I tried to post a comment at the end of this thread but found that the comments were closed. Huh?

    I thought for few minutes to see if I could imagine an 'EDUCATION REFORM' that might make a difference. It took about two minutes. I propose that high school students are all required to take Algebra twice. If they take Algebra II then they should take Algebra I twice and Algebra II twice.

    There are many immediate advantages to this plan. First of all the kids will learn more algebra. Secondly they won't have time in their schedule for all those empty headed filler classes like ethnic studies or sociology. All kids should take the real courses more than once. For example - American History. Study the period leading up to the Civil War using two different text books and two different political perspectives.

    Recently I read Victor Davis Hanson's new book "The Second World Wars". It wasn't because I knew nothing of that period. I have read - like most of this blog's readership - many histories of our conflict with the Nazis and Fascists. But Hanson is a good historian. I wanted his perspective.

    Similarly I took statistics in college several times as I changed my major. I took stat in the psychology department, the business department and the math department. I got pretty good at statistics. So I would require all high school students to take algebra as freshmen and then again when they became seniors. After all those stat classes I ended up teaching stat in colleges. My universal observation was that my students never knew much math. I used to give what I called the "Smurf Algebra Test". I got it from the TV cartoon. It was too advanced for any of my college students.

    There - I offer this advice free. If you are grateful I will accept two billion dollars as a reward.

    In a good STEM education, even if you just stick to the required courses, it often feels like you’re taking the same course over again from slightly different perspectives each time, particularly linear algebra and differential equations. But even then, very few students outside of pure math majors ever achieve a mature, unified understanding that comes from a synthesis of those perspectives. The trouble is, it’s difficult to become convinced of the value of that level of understanding until you’ve actually acquired it. I certainly didn’t until I was years out of college, and then I started kicking myself for having never taken abstract algebra.

    But I don’t think forcing students into a ladder-like progression of mastery, even at elite levels, is the right approach. Leaning breadth helps create a foundation for learning depth. Letting students make lateral moves into different subjects so they can start to make intuitive connections to existing knowledge on their own is a better way to identify which of them are ready for a higher synthesis, so you don’t end up thrusting a bunch of them into an advanced class that many will drop or fail. It’s a vast body of knowledge, and it takes a while to get from not knowing what you don’t know to knowing what you don’t know to knowing how to decide what’s best for you to learn next.

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    In a good STEM education, even if you just stick to the required courses, it often feels like you’re taking the same course over again from slightly different perspectives each time, particularly linear algebra and differential equations. But even then, very few students outside of pure math majors ever achieve a mature, unified understanding that comes from a synthesis of those perspectives. The trouble is, it’s difficult to become convinced of the value of that level of understanding until you’ve actually acquired it. I certainly didn’t until I was years out of college, and then I started kicking myself for having never taken abstract algebra.
     
    Funny, I had just this conversation, about linear algebra, two days ago—with my brother, who studied electrical engineering in college. I majored in mathematics, and took several pure math courses.

    I pointed out to him that to me, in college, linear algebra seemed almost inevitable, a natural corollary that followed from all that I had studied before it. By contrast, he bemoaned the fact that his first exposure to it was through matrix operations, which seemed to him, then, completely arbitrary and meaningless.

    A similar situation exists today with a lot of economics undergraduate students. In many universities, they are taught to approach economics with the formalism and notation of real analysis, rather than through graphs and the simplest of algebra, as the pedagogy used to require. Quite a few bright students get their bachelor's degree in economics with little gut level understanding of the issues of economics or feel for the subject.

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  101. JimB says:
    @Steve Sailer
    RAND is a pretty intensive analytical group, so good for Gates for hiring somebody smart to evaluate his fad rather than having some Ed School do it.

    The best way to sum up the RAND Corporations work these days: sophisticated methods, conventional insights, lame conclusions. RAND hires based on conventionally impressive check-a-box resumes. Conventional hiring. Conventional reasoning. Think tank jobs have become a career path instead of a little interlude in a meteoric career ascent (or descent).

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  102. hyperbola says:

    Bill Gates has been a failure for his entire life. He got rich peddling a substandard operating system that achieved a quasi-monopoly by including government spying, corruption operations and anti-competitive government mercantilism (of the kind Adam Smith warned us about). Anything Gates “advocates” should immediately be analyzed for the corruption angle.

    The Anti-Empire Report #44
    By William Blum
    Land of the free, home of the War on Terrorism

    https://williamblum.org/aer/read/44

    ….. In September 1999, leading European investigative reporter Duncan Campbell revealed that NSA had arranged with Microsoft to insert special “keys” into Windows operating systems, beginning with Windows 95. An American computer scientist, Andrew Fernandez of Cryptonym in North Carolina, had disassembled parts of the Windows instruction code and found the smoking gun – Microsoft’s developers had failed to remove the debugging symbols used to test this software before they released it. Inside the code were the labels for two keys. One was called “KEY”. The other was called “NSAKEY”. Fernandez presented his finding at a conference at which some Windows developers were also in attendance. The developers did not deny that the NSA key was built into their software, but they refused to talk about what the key did, or why it had been put there without users’ knowledge. Fernandez says that NSA’s “back door” in the world’s most commonly used operating system makes it “orders of magnitude easier for the US government to access your computer.”

    In February 2000, it was disclosed that the Strategic Affairs Delegation (DAS), the intelligence arm of the French Defense Ministry, had prepared a report in 1999 which also asserted that NSA had helped to install secret programs in Microsoft software. According to the DAS report, “it would seem that the creation of Microsoft was largely supported, not least financially, by the NSA, and that IBM was made to accept the [Microsoft] MS-DOS operating system by the same administration……
    __________________________________________________________________

    Bill Gates simple represents the same kind of “elite” abuse and “foundations” that Americans have long suffered from.

    Eugenics and the Nazis — the California connection

    https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/Eugenics-and-the-Nazis-the-California-2549771.php

    ….Eugenics would have been so much bizarre parlor talk had it not been for extensive financing by corporate philanthropies, specifically the Carnegie Institution, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Harriman railroad fortune. They were all in league with some of America’s most respected scientists from such prestigious universities as Stanford, Yale, Harvard and Princeton. These academicians espoused race theory and race science, and then faked and twisted data to serve eugenics’ racist aims…..

    …. In 1904, the Carnegie Institution established a laboratory complex at Cold Spring Harbor on Long Island that stockpiled millions of index cards on ordinary Americans, as researchers carefully plotted the removal of families, bloodlines and whole peoples. From Cold Spring Harbor, eugenics advocates agitated in the legislatures of America, as well as the nation’s social service agencies and associations.

    The Harriman railroad fortune paid local charities, such as the New York Bureau of Industries and Immigration, to seek out Jewish, Italian and other immigrants in New York and other crowded cities and subject them to deportation, confinement or forced sterilization.

    The Rockefeller Foundation helped found the German eugenics program and even funded the program that Josef Mengele worked in before he went to Auschwitz…..

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  103. @Dan Hayes
    Steve,

    Bill and his consort Melinda could have saved a lot of their ill-begotten loot by paying attention to the message of Bob Weissberg's 2010 book Bad Students, Not Bad Schools. Of course, Weissberg is a frequent contributor to The Unz Review.

    It should be noted that the primary purpose of the Gates's philanthropic largess is not educational reform per se but public relations bellowing of their good deeds, thereby updating John D Rockefeller's distribution of dimes.

    Bill and his consort Melinda could have saved a lot of their ill-begotten loot by paying attention to the message of Bob Weissberg’s 2010 book Bad Students, Not Bad Schools. Of course, Weissberg is a frequent contributor to The Unz Review.

    And from Anon[425]

    2 billion here, 2 billion there… this is what happens when one listens to the advice of NYT and The Economist. We could have told Bill for free.

    Bill Gates is both smart enough and obsessed with smarts enough, that he definitely understands that “bad schools” are fundamentally the result of bad students.

    His natural politcal home–as Steve has pointed out–is sort of early 20th century Protestant progressivism. The folks who thought about and brought in … eugenics.

    If Bill really wanted to make a difference in “good schools” he could have spoken and spent some of those billions on a message promoting increased child bearing by college educated women as the key to future prosperity. “Smart kids come from smart women” or “Three builds the future”. Getting smart women’s target to normal to be three kids, like, oh … Melinda Gates! … would be a huge win for “good schools” and the quality of our nation’s future.

    Unfortunately, some very very noisy folks managed to make “eugenics” == “the holocaust” (as they were able to make German and Japanese imperialism == “nationalism”).

    And Bill Gates for all his bluster and a bit of around-the-edges truth telling, has been unwilling to risk the torrent of abuse that would be flung his way by these people if he actually campaigned for what he believes.

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    , @HallParvey

    And Bill Gates for all his bluster and a bit of around-the-edges truth telling, has been unwilling to risk the torrent of abuse that would be flung his way by these people if he actually campaigned for what he believes.
     
    And, of course the source of that "torrent of abuse" must remain unspoken. Like Voldemort. And for the same reason.
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  104. Old fogey says:
    @SimpleSong
    It's tough for the teaching profession to thread this needle.

    If teachers can really make a difference, then student's failures can also be pinned on them.

    On the other hand if they don't make a difference and it's the quality of the student that matters, then why bother paying anything more than peanuts?

    Healthcare has a similar dillemma.

    “If teachers can really make a difference, then student’s failures can also be pinned on them.”

    Perfectly put. I am beginning to think that Gates is far smarter than we are giving him credit for. Perhaps all of this virtue-signalling that comes up empty-handed when it gets put to a test is designed to show that that well put-together computer programs set up to work at the student’s pace are far superior to anything we can set up in the normal way. . . Eliminate the normal expense associated with college diplomas; just use tests, etc., etc. All kinds of things can be set up instead of the usual time-wasting in schools and colleges to baby-sit children so that their parents can work while setting up a great future for the high-tech establishment.

    How much $$ does Gates still have in Microsoft anyway?

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  105. hyperbola says:
    @Anon
    I feel as though I'm missing something. Is there some inference I should be drawing from the reference to the RAND corporation?

    The Rand Corporation has been a terrific example of government corruption for decades. Exactly the kind of organization that a corrupt oligarch like Gates would be associated with.

    The RAND Corporation: America’s University of Imperialism
    For decades these self-professed saviors of the Western world helped precipitate U.S. foreign policy disasters like the Vietnam War.
    By Chalmers Johnson

    https://www.alternet.org/story/83910/the_rand_corporation%3A_america%27s_university_of_imperialism

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  106. DFH says:
    @whyamihere
    A bit off topic, but I just wanted to say that Steve sure is a witty writer. He always has a knack for addressing the absurdity of progressive arguments (whether that be on crime or immigration) in an entertaining way.
    The commenters here are some of the most informed people on the internet. They could do without the Jew hating though, that's uncalled for to say the least.

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    More background for this graphic: http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2018/06/to-preserve-and-protect-white-european.html

    Worth mentioning that the no opinion responses excluded were 29% of the total.
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  107. Dan Hayes says:

    AnotherDad:

    As long as Bill & Melinda pursue their current actions they will never earn the opprobrium of the current powers-that-be. And of course that is their means of protecting their wealth! Otherwise they would be subjected to taunts of their malfeasance of wealth.

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  108. bartok says:
    @whyamihere
    A bit off topic, but I just wanted to say that Steve sure is a witty writer. He always has a knack for addressing the absurdity of progressive arguments (whether that be on crime or immigration) in an entertaining way.
    The commenters here are some of the most informed people on the internet. They could do without the Jew hating though, that's uncalled for to say the least.

    They could do without the Jew hating though

    Jews, especially media Jews, could do without the goy-hating.

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  109. Travis says:
    @Crawfurdmuir
    see how much you can improve things by boosting discipline.

    When supporters of private or charter schools point out their superior results, defenders of public schools typically argue that such schools can be selective, and they refuse to admit or expel students that are disruptive while public schools cannot.

    Why not? If it is true that simply excluding those that are uninterested in learning, frequently break the rules, and disrupt the classroom, can produce such superior results, why not remove them to a special "magnet school" for rotten little brats? The public school system may be obliged to warehouse such "students" somewhere, but that does not mean it has to permit them to impair the quality of school for the educable. Set up the "Whippingham Academy for Incorrigible Minors" (motto: "Spare the rod and spoil the child"), and send the problem children there. Then the others can learn in peace at the ordinary district schools.

    Disparate impact prevents schools from segregating by ability because it will result in segregated schools like in NYC.
    Not sure how NYC is exempt from disparate impact rulings which forced schools in New Jersey to end tracking in schools. NJ schools which used test scores to separate the best students from the average and the average students from the poor students is not permitted in NJ, due to court cases brought to the federal level. Even banning the testing requirement was not enough , the lawsuits continued because although schools no longer required a test to take AP course the classes remained mostly white as Blacks chose not to take the harder classes….yet the lawsuits continue and will now force NJ to push Blacks into AP classes to avoid disparate impact.

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    I could be wrong but I think only one jurisdiction is under court order to not utilize tracking, DC. Tracking is legal and is used throughout the country. The issue is that it’s out of favor with the education industry because of race. Although it’s quietly popular with teachers, better for class management.
    , @Paul Jolliffe
    Exactly right.

    Also, very few people can stomach the thought of what a true educational meritocracy might look like. (And Steve's ancient point that lots and lots of white guys - including me, I admit it - just love having the "athletes" play for their school's team. That is incredibly important to those white guys! If the NCAA was to disappear tomorrow, there would be much gnashing of teeth by millions of middle-class white men.)
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  110. Tyrion 2 says: • Website

    OT but weird stuff is going on in Turkey. Even weirder than usual. Currently the opposition and government disagree over the proportion of ballots that have been counted. Roughly 50% or almost 100%.

    There’s no obvious explanation. Expect huge drama if none presents itself.

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    I still don't know if Turkey is scheduled for enfeeblement by allowing the F-35 "flying pigdog" to be sold to them or not.
    , @Tyrion 2
    It seems the strangeness was just the opposition playing silly games. Erdogan now has quasi-monarchical powers. He's very popular as he's mostly done a very good job, while the opposition don't really stand for anything. In essence, despite media protestations, Erdogan tends to be the adult in the room.

    Turkey is now definitely locked into following its own path, barring economic catastrophe. Neo-Ottomanism is a common designation. Perhaps modern Islamic Conservatism is more accurate if less pithy. Or, just moderate nationalism.
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  111. gcochran says:
    @AnotherDad

    Bill and his consort Melinda could have saved a lot of their ill-begotten loot by paying attention to the message of Bob Weissberg’s 2010 book Bad Students, Not Bad Schools. Of course, Weissberg is a frequent contributor to The Unz Review.
     
    And from Anon[425]

    2 billion here, 2 billion there… this is what happens when one listens to the advice of NYT and The Economist. We could have told Bill for free.
     
    Bill Gates is both smart enough and obsessed with smarts enough, that he definitely understands that "bad schools" are fundamentally the result of bad students.

    His natural politcal home--as Steve has pointed out--is sort of early 20th century Protestant progressivism. The folks who thought about and brought in ... eugenics.

    If Bill really wanted to make a difference in "good schools" he could have spoken and spent some of those billions on a message promoting increased child bearing by college educated women as the key to future prosperity. "Smart kids come from smart women" or "Three builds the future". Getting smart women's target to normal to be three kids, like, oh ... Melinda Gates! ... would be a huge win for "good schools" and the quality of our nation's future.

    Unfortunately, some very very noisy folks managed to make "eugenics" == "the holocaust" (as they were able to make German and Japanese imperialism == "nationalism").

    And Bill Gates for all his bluster and a bit of around-the-edges truth telling, has been unwilling to risk the torrent of abuse that would be flung his way by these people if he actually campaigned for what he believes.

    It may be that he’s unwilling to risk a tens-of-billions divorce settlement.

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  112. El Dato says:
    @Tyrion 2
    OT but weird stuff is going on in Turkey. Even weirder than usual. Currently the opposition and government disagree over the proportion of ballots that have been counted. Roughly 50% or almost 100%.

    There's no obvious explanation. Expect huge drama if none presents itself.

    I still don’t know if Turkey is scheduled for enfeeblement by allowing the F-35 “flying pigdog” to be sold to them or not.

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  113. Anon7 says:

    OT: Perhaps they’ll destroy themselves

    http://www.arabianbusiness.com/culture-society/399302-saudi-officers-hand-out-roses-to-women-drivers-in-historic-moment

    OTOH, maybe all the traditional Muslims will move here to practice their religion as Muhammad intended…

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  114. 3g4me says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpS2JJYfbZ8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDfGFe7TY24

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGpHEPAHQ3E

    Maybe we need this here.

    @ 10 JohnnyWalker123: “Maybe we need this here.”

    What’s with the “we” that you and other Subcontinental commenters utilize? There is no “we” in an HBD-aware America that includes you.

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    When I used the phrase "we," I actually wasn't referring to you. Judging by the content of your various postings, your schooling process seems to have generated a remarkably low ROI. So I don't envision cram school being the best investment for an individual of your caliber. However, there is some very good quality "special" schooling that's more adapted to an individual with your, umm, "needs."

    My apologies if I created any sort of confusion. You can now return to what you were doing before....... Just make sure not to bang your head against the keyboard too hard.
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  115. @AnotherDad

    Bill and his consort Melinda could have saved a lot of their ill-begotten loot by paying attention to the message of Bob Weissberg’s 2010 book Bad Students, Not Bad Schools. Of course, Weissberg is a frequent contributor to The Unz Review.
     
    And from Anon[425]

    2 billion here, 2 billion there… this is what happens when one listens to the advice of NYT and The Economist. We could have told Bill for free.
     
    Bill Gates is both smart enough and obsessed with smarts enough, that he definitely understands that "bad schools" are fundamentally the result of bad students.

    His natural politcal home--as Steve has pointed out--is sort of early 20th century Protestant progressivism. The folks who thought about and brought in ... eugenics.

    If Bill really wanted to make a difference in "good schools" he could have spoken and spent some of those billions on a message promoting increased child bearing by college educated women as the key to future prosperity. "Smart kids come from smart women" or "Three builds the future". Getting smart women's target to normal to be three kids, like, oh ... Melinda Gates! ... would be a huge win for "good schools" and the quality of our nation's future.

    Unfortunately, some very very noisy folks managed to make "eugenics" == "the holocaust" (as they were able to make German and Japanese imperialism == "nationalism").

    And Bill Gates for all his bluster and a bit of around-the-edges truth telling, has been unwilling to risk the torrent of abuse that would be flung his way by these people if he actually campaigned for what he believes.

    And Bill Gates for all his bluster and a bit of around-the-edges truth telling, has been unwilling to risk the torrent of abuse that would be flung his way by these people if he actually campaigned for what he believes.

    And, of course the source of that “torrent of abuse” must remain unspoken. Like Voldemort. And for the same reason.

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  116. El Dato says:
    @hyperbola
    Bill Gates has been a failure for his entire life. He got rich peddling a substandard operating system that achieved a quasi-monopoly by including government spying, corruption operations and anti-competitive government mercantilism (of the kind Adam Smith warned us about). Anything Gates "advocates" should immediately be analyzed for the corruption angle.


    The Anti-Empire Report #44
    By William Blum
    Land of the free, home of the War on Terrorism
    https://williamblum.org/aer/read/44
    ..... In September 1999, leading European investigative reporter Duncan Campbell revealed that NSA had arranged with Microsoft to insert special “keys” into Windows operating systems, beginning with Windows 95. An American computer scientist, Andrew Fernandez of Cryptonym in North Carolina, had disassembled parts of the Windows instruction code and found the smoking gun – Microsoft’s developers had failed to remove the debugging symbols used to test this software before they released it. Inside the code were the labels for two keys. One was called “KEY”. The other was called “NSAKEY”. Fernandez presented his finding at a conference at which some Windows developers were also in attendance. The developers did not deny that the NSA key was built into their software, but they refused to talk about what the key did, or why it had been put there without users’ knowledge. Fernandez says that NSA’s “back door” in the world’s most commonly used operating system makes it “orders of magnitude easier for the US government to access your computer.”

    In February 2000, it was disclosed that the Strategic Affairs Delegation (DAS), the intelligence arm of the French Defense Ministry, had prepared a report in 1999 which also asserted that NSA had helped to install secret programs in Microsoft software. According to the DAS report, “it would seem that the creation of Microsoft was largely supported, not least financially, by the NSA, and that IBM was made to accept the [Microsoft] MS-DOS operating system by the same administration......
    __________________________________________________________________

    Bill Gates simple represents the same kind of "elite" abuse and "foundations" that Americans have long suffered from.


    Eugenics and the Nazis -- the California connection
    https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/Eugenics-and-the-Nazis-the-California-2549771.php

    ....Eugenics would have been so much bizarre parlor talk had it not been for extensive financing by corporate philanthropies, specifically the Carnegie Institution, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Harriman railroad fortune. They were all in league with some of America's most respected scientists from such prestigious universities as Stanford, Yale, Harvard and Princeton. These academicians espoused race theory and race science, and then faked and twisted data to serve eugenics' racist aims.....

    .... In 1904, the Carnegie Institution established a laboratory complex at Cold Spring Harbor on Long Island that stockpiled millions of index cards on ordinary Americans, as researchers carefully plotted the removal of families, bloodlines and whole peoples. From Cold Spring Harbor, eugenics advocates agitated in the legislatures of America, as well as the nation's social service agencies and associations.

    The Harriman railroad fortune paid local charities, such as the New York Bureau of Industries and Immigration, to seek out Jewish, Italian and other immigrants in New York and other crowded cities and subject them to deportation, confinement or forced sterilization.

    The Rockefeller Foundation helped found the German eugenics program and even funded the program that Josef Mengele worked in before he went to Auschwitz.....
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  117. DRA says:
    @Pat Boyle
    OT

    (and I mean really deeply off topic)

    What we need now are better spell checkers. I have a few ideas. I'm always disappointed to see someone use the possessive term 'their' or the adverb 'there' when they mean the same sounding contraction 'they're'.

    Surely by now with all the multi core CPUs we have enough client side computational power to scan a candidate sentence or paragraph for content and context. We should also be able to have the machine also correct typical typing errors. For example on a standard QWERTY keyboard, your right index finger is supposed to rest on the 'J' key. That J is surrounded by the HUIKMN letters. If you type badly (as I do) you might substitute one of those other letters for the J. Your word processing editor should substitute the intended letter. Most of the better editors like the one used on this blog already do something similar for common misspellings. It's time to proceed to miss-typings.

    Currently spelling errors are flagged in red (for the Communist or Republican Parties I presume). With more and more analysis being done by the software we will need a color for ambiguous cases. On the political state analogy, I recommend purple.

    Some of the typos I notice appear to be caused by software “correcting” something and nobody checking to see whether the result is correct. Perhaps some folks just think if the computer suggests it, it must be correct?

    But yes, there are “mistakes” that don’t make sense, and it seems that software could be designed to check over a few paragraphs back to check the logic and alert someone that what they are saying is illogical.

    The one that really bothers me is when the text says “can” and it is evident that the person originating the content said “can’t”. I noticed it most in a San Antonio, TX, newspaper when I lived there about 20 years ago. Some folks there almost pronounce “can’t” with a silent “t”, and even in conversation the only way to tell which is meant is from context.

    Maybe Bill Gates would have more success solving this problem than solving the educational issues. Think what a boon it would be if newspapers made sense, at least logically, if not always factually.

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    I suspect that there will be more and more of the kind of thing I suggested. First because Moore's Law still obtains. desktop machines continue to grow more powerful. There are opportunities fo services that the machine can do for the human while it patiently waits.

    The used to be a program you could have running in the background that would detect from the pattern of errors that your cat had walked across the keyboard. With a smart enough software package it should consider and correct for the keys stepped on takins into account the direction of the walk and the size of the cat.
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  118. @Crawfurdmuir
    see how much you can improve things by boosting discipline.

    When supporters of private or charter schools point out their superior results, defenders of public schools typically argue that such schools can be selective, and they refuse to admit or expel students that are disruptive while public schools cannot.

    Why not? If it is true that simply excluding those that are uninterested in learning, frequently break the rules, and disrupt the classroom, can produce such superior results, why not remove them to a special "magnet school" for rotten little brats? The public school system may be obliged to warehouse such "students" somewhere, but that does not mean it has to permit them to impair the quality of school for the educable. Set up the "Whippingham Academy for Incorrigible Minors" (motto: "Spare the rod and spoil the child"), and send the problem children there. Then the others can learn in peace at the ordinary district schools.

    Why not? If it is true that simply excluding those that are uninterested in learning, frequently break the rules, and disrupt the classroom, can produce such superior results, why not remove them to a special “magnet school” for rotten little brats? The public school system may be obliged to warehouse such “students” somewhere, but that does not mean it has to permit them to impair the quality of school for the educable. Set up the “Whippingham Academy for Incorrigible Minors” (motto: “Spare the rod and spoil the child”), and send the problem children there. Then the others can learn in peace at the ordinary district schools.

    Very well put Crawfurdmuir.

    Yeah, you always get this public school propaganda … “but we have to educate all students”. Very true–but then do it! Instead this is coupled with this extreme equalist b.s. “we can’t exclude …”, “everyone is entitled …” , “all students college ready …” which means we’re going to let the garbage shit on everyone else.

    At root it’s this same aversion to exclusion that’s at the root of all leftist b.s.–except, of course, for these leftists excluding bad whites from their elite institutions and excluding all the “diversity” they claim to love so much from *their* schools, *their* neighborhoods, *their* workplaces.

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  119. @gcochran
    Melinda Gates is always wrong.

    It would be funny if these reports were the public face of an intramarital dispute. Melinda won’t shut up about the latest crazy education theory, so Bill spends $2000000000 to get the upper hand.

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  120. @Robert Weissberg
    Thanks for the plug. Here in NYC there's a big experiment to move kids (mainly blacks and Hispanics) from "under-performing schools" to better schools where they can learn by osmosis from smart whites and Asians. Denial never stops.

    Magic schools has been the driving idea behind integration for 50+ years now.

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    Not magic schools.  Magic White kids.
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  121. @Anonymous
    This article applies to soccer. Bad decisions really hurt a soccer team* and you can't "coach up" stupid. So keep paying for bright players (especially on defense) and don't spend too much on the coach.

    * very low scoring sports mean less room for overcoming a single mental error.

    In the games I’ve watched, half the scores were fluke rebounds off of shots on goals. Something wrong with a game that goes on for 90 minutes and the lone score was the result of an accident.

    They need to get rid of the offside rule in soccer and open the game up to long range bombs and stealth raids.

    On the plus side, soccer is a game you can watch on TV while reading a book or trimming your toenails and not miss too much.

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    They need to allow players to rotate in and out of the game , to have more fresh legs and more action. They should also have a penalty box like in hockey , a yellow card would force the player into the box for 5 minutes.
    , @Brutusale
    There are some long-range bombs.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4fu-Ur_aYM&t=105s

    Don't follow soccer much and I really don't know how an aficionado would judge "long-range", but this kid seems to have the goods.
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  122. Oprah Fan says:
    @Dan Hayes
    AnotherDad:

    As long as Bill & Melinda pursue their current actions they will never earn the opprobrium of the current powers-that-be. And of course that is their means of protecting their wealth! Otherwise they would be subjected to taunts of their malfeasance of wealth.

    How could they be protecting their wealth when they are in the process of completely giving it away?

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    Oprah Fan:

    Bill & Melinda's small potatoes danegeld is a clever means of protecting their obscenely greater wealth.

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  123. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    Vic Morrow, age about 27, was the thug in the movie.

    A friend graduated from high school in 1954. He told me that in history class there was a boy who was a punk. Finally, the male history teacher, a WWII vet, had enough. He told the girls to leave the room and challenged the boy to a fight. In those days, it was unthinkable for a teenager to strike a grownup much less a teacher and he was pounded.


    I need to see this move. It popularized "Rock Around the Clock."

    I need to see this move. It popularized “Rock Around the Clock.”

    Don’t bother. It is terrible. All the “teenagers” are in their 20s and the story blows.

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  124. NOTA says:
    @Anon
    2 billion here, 2 billion there... this is what happens when one listens to the advice of NYT and The Economist. We could have told Bill for free.

    US education is like Starbucks policy. Instead of identifying and correcting bad behavior, keep changing the methods of appeasing bad behavior.

    The very premise of Gate-ism is wrong. It ignores the key issue of biology & culture and just focuses on management. But how can one manage problems of genetics and culture without addressing them? All the burden is on management than on the problematic material.

    If someone suffers from a terrible disease, nothing will change even if doctors and methods/instruments are changed over and over and over AS LONG AS the disease is not honestly and correctly diagnosed.

    Gates is foolish to confuse his success in business with hopeful success in education.
    Business is about genetics and culture, i.e. top businesses go out of their way to hire the very best people in IQ and work ethic. It is about attracting the best.
    In contrast, Gates' education project is about educating the worst. Totally different dynamics.
    When dealing with problem students, there is the fact of genetics and culture. Genetics cannot be changed but must be addressed. Many students are doomed to relative failure due to genetic factors. Still, with improvement in culture and discipline, they can do better and grow up with more sensible attitude. Better to be mediocre and moderately productive than pathological and destructive. But when so many kids are raised by trashy single mothers whose entire culture is TV and when these kids grow up to Rap and garbage culture(and PC that tells them that they are holy as 'victims'), they cannot be disciplined or set straight.

    Gates trusts expertise–when he asks epidemiologists how to eradicate some parasitic disease, he gets useful answers; when he asks education professors how to raise school performance, he gets ideology.

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  125. Dan says:
    @Dan Hayes
    Steve,

    Bill and his consort Melinda could have saved a lot of their ill-begotten loot by paying attention to the message of Bob Weissberg's 2010 book Bad Students, Not Bad Schools. Of course, Weissberg is a frequent contributor to The Unz Review.

    It should be noted that the primary purpose of the Gates's philanthropic largess is not educational reform per se but public relations bellowing of their good deeds, thereby updating John D Rockefeller's distribution of dimes.

    The uber-wealthy’s family foundations are first and foremost tax shelters. All of their wealth is put under the umbrella of the foundation and they’re required to spend a certain amount on philanthropic endeavors, an amount that is much less than they would otherwise be taxed. It only works financially if one’s wealth is beyond a certain threshold. I forget the number. But it doesn’t make sense for someone who has just a few million dollars.

    Secondarily, they serve as a form of social control. If it’s a direct initiative, such as this one, then the money is freely given hand in hand with the program that Gates and his ilk want implemented – the program that they themselves have written.

    Otherwise, an existing nonprofit or other entity can appeal to Gates for money through a highly competitive process which may result in a small sum coming their way – with an incredible number of strings attached on how the money is to be spent.

    The organizations end up spending inordinate amounts of time and energy just trying to secure some funds – the overwhelming majority who apply don’t get any money – and even more time and energy is wasted documenting how the money is spent and attempting to prove to Gates et al that their money is being spent the way they want it spent and achieving the results they want.

    Proofs must be shown quarterly to yearly – a ridiculously short time horizon to effectively implement anything worthwhile, and eerily similar to the inane short-term time horizons that have plagued Wall Street over the past 30+ years.

    So, the elite have hollowed out the public sector through years of propaganda about government inefficiency only to subsequently set up their own incredibly inefficient system of nonprofits and other entities. The difference, of course, is that they control them.

    Oh yes, it also serves as wonderful publicity. Heartfelt philanthropists indeed. There’s no self-interest there, just as there’s no self-interest in development schemes in Africa.

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    I believe foundations are required to spend 5% of their endowment each year. I do not know if spending includes foundation "expenses" of the kind the Clintons run up - trips on the Lolita Express, data destruction, retainers, etc.
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  126. Truth says:
    @whyamihere
    A bit off topic, but I just wanted to say that Steve sure is a witty writer. He always has a knack for addressing the absurdity of progressive arguments (whether that be on crime or immigration) in an entertaining way.
    The commenters here are some of the most informed people on the internet. They could do without the Jew hating though, that's uncalled for to say the least.

    When a blindfolded man throws a stick into a kennel of dogs, he can assume that the one that yelps is the one that got hit.

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  127. JerryC says:
    @gcochran
    Melinda Gates is always wrong.

    Come on…Microsoft Bob was great!

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  128. Ed says:
    @Travis
    Disparate impact prevents schools from segregating by ability because it will result in segregated schools like in NYC.
    Not sure how NYC is exempt from disparate impact rulings which forced schools in New Jersey to end tracking in schools. NJ schools which used test scores to separate the best students from the average and the average students from the poor students is not permitted in NJ, due to court cases brought to the federal level. Even banning the testing requirement was not enough , the lawsuits continued because although schools no longer required a test to take AP course the classes remained mostly white as Blacks chose not to take the harder classes....yet the lawsuits continue and will now force NJ to push Blacks into AP classes to avoid disparate impact.

    I could be wrong but I think only one jurisdiction is under court order to not utilize tracking, DC. Tracking is legal and is used throughout the country. The issue is that it’s out of favor with the education industry because of race. Although it’s quietly popular with teachers, better for class management.

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    AP is defacto tracking. That is the part of of AP I approve.
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  129. eah says:
    @gcochran
    Melinda Gates is always wrong.

    Was she wrong to marry Gates, previously aka ‘the richest man in the world’? — asking for a female friend.

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    She was lucky that her mother-in-law died of cancer. Mama Gates wanted to see her son get hitched before she croaked. Melinda was the best potential spouse Bill could find on such short notice.
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  130. Truth says:
    @Pat Boyle
    I think you are making too much of Trump's attendance a military school. I was sent to military school as well as my cousin Willie. I wasn't very tough in those days. I was little and pudgy. I got in a lot of fights in Junior High but always on the losing end.

    I only escaped being a punching bag at school everyday by out growing everyone else.

    I couldn't figure out what part Sidney Poitier was playing in the film clip. I thought he was the heroic teacher. But no, that was the Glen Ford part. Then I figured he was some kind of teachers' assistant. Again no. To my amazement he was supposed to be one of the high school students. Poitier was 28 when he played that high school student. Maybe he was held back ten times or so.

    Hey great example!

    It worked to a “T” for Sir Sid; he turned his life around, and 5 years later he was saving all those little heathens in London.

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  131. donut says:

    “Alan Bartlett Shepard Jr. was born on November 18, 1923, in Derry, New Hampshire,[1] to Alan B. Shepard Sr. and Pauline Renza Shepard (née Emerson).[2] He had a younger sister, Pauline, who was known as Polly.[3] He was one of many famous descendants of Mayflower passenger Richard Warren.[2] His father, Alan B. Shepard Sr., known as Bart, worked in the Derry National Bank, owned by Shepard’s grandfather. Alan Sr. joined the National Guard in 1915 and served in France with the American Expeditionary Force during World War I.[4] He remained in the National Guard between the wars, and was recalled to active duty during World War II, rising to the rank of lieutenant colonel.[5]

    Shepard attended Adams School in Derry, where his academic performance impressed his teachers; he skipped the sixth grade,[6] and proceeded to middle school at Oak Street School in Derry,[5] where he skipped the eighth grade.[6] In 1936, he went to the Pinkerton Academy, a private school in Derry that his father had attended, and where his grandfather had been a trustee. He completed years 9 to 12 there.[6] Fascinated by flight, he created a model airplane club at the Academy, and his Christmas present in 1938 was a flight in a Douglas DC-3.[7] The following year he began cycling to Manchester Airfield, where he would do odd jobs in exchange for the occasional ride in an airplane or informal flying lesson.[8][9]

    Shepard graduated from the Pinkerton Academy in 1940. Because World War II was already raging in Europe, his father wanted him to join the Army. Shepard chose the Navy instead. He easily passed the entrance exam to the United States Naval Academy at Annapolis in 1940, but at sixteen was too young to enter that year. The Navy sent him to the Admiral Farragut Academy, a prep school for the Naval Academy, from which he graduated with the class of 1941.[10] Tests administered at Farragut indicated an IQ of 145, but his grades were mediocre.[11]

    At Annapolis, Shepard enjoyed aquatic sports. He was a keen and competitive sailor, winning several races, including a regatta held by the Annapolis Yacht Club. He learned to sail all the types of boats the academy owned, up to and including USS Freedom, a 90-foot (27 m) schooner. He also participated in swimming, and rowed with the eight.[11] During his Christmas break in 1942, he went to Principia College to be with his sister, who was unable to go home owing to wartime travel restrictions. There he met Louise Brewer, whose parents were pensioners on the du Pont family estate, and, like Renza Shepard, were devout Christian Scientists.[12] Owing to the war, the usual four-year course at Annapolis was cut short by a year, and he graduated and was commissioned as an ensign on June 6, 1944, ranked 463rd in his class of 915. The following month he became secretly engaged to Louise.[13] In 1944 he received a bachelor of science at the United States Naval Academy.”

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  132. Dan says:
    @pyrrhus
    Badly, school and school cramming interferes with creativity and free thought. Which is where Americans have clobbered East Asia for centuries.

    Exactly. We didn’t have long school days at the height of our power and prestige. Rather than “looking forward” or trying to keep up with the Joneses (the Joneses, in this case, being a handful of Asian countries), why not look back to when things were really balanced.

    I, for one, am in favor of reinstituting half-day Kindergarten with mandatory nap-time. It will all flow from there.

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  133. @m___
    Notice to commenters.

    Just reporting an anomaly. Our comments history by search now only shows the last dozen, anything else cannot be called up any longer. Wonder what the explanation behind this is. Since we all comment, so our proud bits and bites can be accessed by all readers site-wide, over greater periods of time, it should be a "glitch" of meaning. If not, commenting, and comments not being searchable weeks later is about the equivalent of "shouting in the night". Anybody having the same experience, having his comments archived by the system, but no longer rendered as a historical list of excerpts, as a total of words, as a total of comments made?

    If this is policy, then that should be notified to commenters in the site wide policy. Your "work" is no longer accessible to the readers of unz.com. Speaks for your status. Probably this is just a glitch, but since that is how code works, if your comments called up from the general search are truncated also, that will point to willig programming to keep you out of sight, the black hole. Not what you would appreciate as a return of your effort. The result is very "google" like, censorship.

    I think its more of a safety check so that if someone gets outed by an Antifa dox there’s not 100k words available to be taken out of context by the media.

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  134. MEH 0910 says:
    @CCR
    Didn't Gates have a program to find the young Einsteins of Africa? Whatever came of that?

    https://www.nexteinstein.org/?lang=en

    https://nef.org/

    Neil Turok founded, Bill Gates funded. Greg Cochran wrote about it last year:

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2017/01/27/turok-of-the-north/

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  135. Anon7 says:

    OT: Democrats have a backup plan in case immigration reform happens.

    The latest effort by Democrats to remake America’s electorate: allowing 16 year olds to vote. Like immigrants who can’t speak the language and have no useful skills, they’d vote for more freebies, ie, they’d be more likely to vote Democrat.

    “How did children vote in the last election?

    Hillary Clinton, in a landslide.

    The Democratic former first lady and U.S. senator garnered 52% to Republican real estate developer Donald Trump’s 35%.”

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  136. Whiskey says: • Website

    Melinda Gates like Zuck’s wife no doubt loathes her husband’s very presence and deeply regrets her decision. Hence the typical beta male appeasement of both men to spouses who clearly despise their big shot but nerdy husbands.

    Both remind me of Japanese Author Sayata Murata. She’s the author of “Convenience Store Woman” and who has written of the ideal marriage consisting of a husband as a house pet or sexless companion and redefining marriage as sex between husband and wives being akin to incest. With conception being artificial insemination by random strange men.

    Thus the tragedy of modern life. Women want, viscerally, the most violent, scary, dangerous, fear inducing Conan the Barbarian figure they can get. A man who might rise to the very top on a pile of bodies, and have her kids be rulers of everything. But for a society be wealthy and prosperous that Conan the Barbarian impulse has to be dialed down to Bill Gates levels. If Melinda Gates were married to Ramzan Kadryov, the ideal man of most women, she’d be singing the praises constantly of how awesome he was and scheming on how to expand their empire.

    This begs of course the question — how will all the vibrant vibrancy people be paid for when America is say, 40% White? With Open Borders and Vibrant levels of fertility among Vibrants? Where is all the money going to come from. I think it would be excelling to start pushing for that money to come from Bill Gates at a start. Why not a campaign to “liberate” Bill Gates money from his family and use it house all the Immigrants in America?

    Surely Melinda Gates can live in a homeless shelter if it means all her families money goes to house Immigrants!

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    Since this the topic is education...

    This begs of course the question — how will all the vibrant vibrancy people be paid for when America is say, 40% White?
     
    I think you meant raises the question, not begs.
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  137. Dan says:
    @WowJustWow
    I'm starting to think that education reform is a jobs program in itself. Can you imagine how much busywork is created by revamping the K-12 curriculum every five years or so? Eventually Bill and the other educational innovators will run out of ideas and we'll cycle back to New Math.

    I think it serves as both a jobs program and as a way to keep the populace constantly on edge, which produces fear and uncertainty, which helps drive mass consumerism, which leads to anomie, which leads to depression and drug addiction. The masses buy their products, then the masses buy their drugs, both legal and illegal.

    As to the jobs program, it makes sense, given that the manufacturing base is offshored and there’s nothing to equal the 90′s tech boom on the horizon.

    It reminds me of what they’ve done to the “health” professions, where there might be 3 or 4 different people in a doctor’s office or hospital doing tasks that one competent nurse did years ago. They go to these one or two year technical schools (which are “make work” endeavors themselves) and come away with any number of various certificates, such as “medical assistant.”

    It all falls under the umbrella of “Allied Health Professions,” and the whole enterprise is exceedingly superficial. It’s just a prepackaged, almost instant “career” for them (that’s what it’s sold to them as) and as a result most of the people I’ve dealt with in this arena over the years lack a certain “depth” that used to be commonplace in health care. In fact, I’d say they all do. The only people who have that depth and integrity are the middle-aged or older caregivers.

    But hey, they have a job. Such is America in 2018.

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  138. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpS2JJYfbZ8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDfGFe7TY24

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGpHEPAHQ3E

    Maybe we need this here.

    For blacks?

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  139. anon[118] • Disclaimer says:

    Bill Gates has too much money to burn, and the libtards are only too happy to help. Gates Foundation HQ in Seattle is Libtard Central.

    It’s time someone prominent points out the link between Bill Gates and the African migrants who are now invading Europe. For 2 decades the Gates Foundation have been in Africa “saving babies” with free vaccinations, medicine, vitamins, free food. African women happily took all the free stuff except the condoms and continue to give birth to 7 to 14 babies per woman, but instead of losing half their babies to diseases now they all survive to adulthood thanks to Bill Gates. Two decades later all the babies he saved are adults who need jobs, and Gates has no answer for them. Turns out Africans aren’t good for anything other than consumption and reproduction, who knew? So now they’ve formed an army to invade Europe. Thanks Bill!

    He’s also doing the same crap in India, Bangladesh and Pakistan leading to South Asia’s population boom. The largest age group in India now are people in their 20′s. So the Pakis and Bangladeshis invade the UK through chain migration and cousin marriages, while the Indians invade the US and Gates can’t lobby for enough H1b visas for them.

    The richest man in the world has created enough menace around the world with his “philanthropy”, ordinary people in Europe and America are paying for his stupidity. Couldn’t just let nature do its own birth control. He had to go F it up.

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  140. Anon[322] • Disclaimer says:
    @gcochran
    Melinda Gates is always wrong.

    Gates is pussy-whipped. He can handle computers, but not his wife. The problem with nerds is that they can become emotionally dependent on the one woman that they actually manage to attract. Without his money, Gates would still be single, and he knows it.

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  141. anon[118] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    2 billion here, 2 billion there... this is what happens when one listens to the advice of NYT and The Economist. We could have told Bill for free.

    US education is like Starbucks policy. Instead of identifying and correcting bad behavior, keep changing the methods of appeasing bad behavior.

    The very premise of Gate-ism is wrong. It ignores the key issue of biology & culture and just focuses on management. But how can one manage problems of genetics and culture without addressing them? All the burden is on management than on the problematic material.

    If someone suffers from a terrible disease, nothing will change even if doctors and methods/instruments are changed over and over and over AS LONG AS the disease is not honestly and correctly diagnosed.

    Gates is foolish to confuse his success in business with hopeful success in education.
    Business is about genetics and culture, i.e. top businesses go out of their way to hire the very best people in IQ and work ethic. It is about attracting the best.
    In contrast, Gates' education project is about educating the worst. Totally different dynamics.
    When dealing with problem students, there is the fact of genetics and culture. Genetics cannot be changed but must be addressed. Many students are doomed to relative failure due to genetic factors. Still, with improvement in culture and discipline, they can do better and grow up with more sensible attitude. Better to be mediocre and moderately productive than pathological and destructive. But when so many kids are raised by trashy single mothers whose entire culture is TV and when these kids grow up to Rap and garbage culture(and PC that tells them that they are holy as 'victims'), they cannot be disciplined or set straight.

    Gates is foolish to confuse his success in business with hopeful success in education. Business is about genetics and culture, i.e. top businesses go out of their way to hire the very best people in IQ and work ethic. It is about attracting the best.

    Gates tries to solve the world’s problems the same way he ran Microsoft, by “hiring the best” and throwing money at them. The Gates Foundation is teeming with Ivy League grads, esp. from Harvard. As we’ve seen from the Obama admin, elite school grads are nothing but a bunch of pie-in-the-sky libtard leeches good at wasting OPM. At least they’ve found the right sugar daddy to latch on to.

    Everything Bill Gates has done outside of Microsoft has been an abject failure. His “other” company Corbis ended up being taken apart and sold to Getty after being run to the ground by a couple of well educated libtards. Everything done by the Gates Foundation is not only a failure but creates serious unintended consequences. All of his domestic education initiatives are failures. All of his foreign aid in Africa and India ended up creating armies of invaders to Europe and the US. He was no good at running Microsoft either which was why he quit to run charity, as Steve Jobs pointed out. Now everything done by his charity is also a total failure.

    Gates got lucky with Microsoft without any true talent. Windows was a direct copy of Mac, he just had a better business model with Intel. it’s why he’s a one hit wonder.

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  142. @TheJester
    I recently spent time in local 1st Grade-through-5 Grade public school classrooms through a program to involve parents/grandparents in the educational process. It was enlightening.

    The system is challenged by having to fold large numbers of immigrant children from alien cultures and religions into the same neighborhood schools. Our grandson's elementary school has a broad mix of students from China, Nigeria, Ghana, India, Pakistan, Mexico, San Salvador, Honduras, Somalia, South Korea, MENA, etc., alongside white American children with a heritage from Northern Europe. Asian students typically run off with the academic awards and chess championships. The students from sub-Saharan Africa have the most issues.

    The challenge of immigration is compounded by trying to integrate autistic children and children with other learning/behavioral disabilities into classrooms with other students. It seems that every classroom has a quota of children who are not expected to learn or follow directions. They're just "there". The other children are trained to ignore their antics and disruptive distractions.

    Conclusions: Public education in the United States can barely hold its own in the face of (1) massive immigration from a hodgepodge of cultures, religions, languages, IQs, and (2) the integration of children with learning and/or behavioral disabilities into regular classrooms. This represents too broad a range of special, social, and cultural needs among the students for teachers to focus on academics.

    In more concrete terms, it is impossible for a school system to succeed when one teacher with a 1:22 teacher/student ratio is expected to reach children with IQs ranging from 86 to 120 ... compounded by language and cultural issues ... compounded by responsibility for children with special needs and learning disabilities.

    It can't be done.

    And people wonder why homeschooling and charter schools are so popular. It’s not just what parents are running TO, it’s also what they’re running FROM.

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  143. Pat Boyle says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    Vic Morrow, age about 27, was the thug in the movie.

    A friend graduated from high school in 1954. He told me that in history class there was a boy who was a punk. Finally, the male history teacher, a WWII vet, had enough. He told the girls to leave the room and challenged the boy to a fight. In those days, it was unthinkable for a teenager to strike a grownup much less a teacher and he was pounded.


    I need to see this move. It popularized "Rock Around the Clock."

    Every year they give some guy an Oscar for makeup but no current makeup can make you in your late twenties look as if you are a teenager. This will all change and for the better I think when actors routinely wear photorealistic CGI masks on their faces. Actually they won’t wear anything while on the set. The mask will be added in post production. Teen agers are also usually more slender so skinny actors will get most of these parts.

    I just saw the movie Churchill starring Brian Cox (it’s terrible). Cox had to gain forty pounds so he wouldn’t have to wear a fat suit. I wore a fat suit when I sang Bartolo in a Barber production. I thought I would pass out from the heat. It’s even worse for the young male actors who have to diet and exercise for months to prepare for the ten second scene where they take off their shirt to show their washboard stomach.

    All that will soon go away too. Someone will develop the technology to add those belly lumps in post and the actors can continue to lead their lives of indulgence and dissipation.

    All of the fabulously successful Marvel movies are cartoons. Soon the nominal actors too will be cartoons. I imagine that movie stars will become team efforts. Edmond Purdom sang like Mario Lanza. Rossano Brazzi sang with Giorgio Tozzi’s voice. So it’s been done. Soon with just a little more tech they will dance like Astaire or Baryshnikov.

    In fact why don’t we have our action stars today accept their awards at the Oscars along with all their stunt and body doubles? The guy who accepts the statuette nowadays is just the guy who we see in the closeups. But soon the seamless CGI masks they wear will mean we never see their real faces even when the camera zooms in for a reaction shot.

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  144. anon[118] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dan Hayes
    Steve,

    Bill and his consort Melinda could have saved a lot of their ill-begotten loot by paying attention to the message of Bob Weissberg's 2010 book Bad Students, Not Bad Schools. Of course, Weissberg is a frequent contributor to The Unz Review.

    It should be noted that the primary purpose of the Gates's philanthropic largess is not educational reform per se but public relations bellowing of their good deeds, thereby updating John D Rockefeller's distribution of dimes.

    That is a great book.

    It’s simultaneously pathetic and hilarious to watch Gates flush his money down the tube doing stupid projects like this. The real people benefiting from his charity are the thousands of libtards he’s keeping employed at the Gates Foundation to help him spend his ill gotten gains. They’re the ones who keep coming up with all these dumb ideas for him to experiment with while ignoring the elephant in the room which is IQ. How could any of them admit to that? They’d be out of a job! Creating alternate realities for the richest man in the world is essential in keeping them employed.

    I’d rather he continues to waste his money on education than to save more babies in Africa and India. Neither Africa nor India need more mouths to feed when the failed governments can’t create any jobs. Europe and America do not need more invaders.

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  145. res says:
    @DFH
    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-F79okXEdHGU/WynhF7J7G0I/AAAAAAAAF7A/Z3wPxGSVjW0Bcla0BopiWXfOxbmmSbtswCLcBGAs/s1600/euroculture.png

    More background for this graphic: http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2018/06/to-preserve-and-protect-white-european.html

    Worth mentioning that the no opinion responses excluded were 29% of the total.

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  146. Pat Boyle says:
    @Crawfurdmuir
    see how much you can improve things by boosting discipline.

    When supporters of private or charter schools point out their superior results, defenders of public schools typically argue that such schools can be selective, and they refuse to admit or expel students that are disruptive while public schools cannot.

    Why not? If it is true that simply excluding those that are uninterested in learning, frequently break the rules, and disrupt the classroom, can produce such superior results, why not remove them to a special "magnet school" for rotten little brats? The public school system may be obliged to warehouse such "students" somewhere, but that does not mean it has to permit them to impair the quality of school for the educable. Set up the "Whippingham Academy for Incorrigible Minors" (motto: "Spare the rod and spoil the child"), and send the problem children there. Then the others can learn in peace at the ordinary district schools.

    I hate to make intemperate statements or discordant comments but the answer is looming before us. We are going to have to kill them.

    Let’s establish some agreed upon facts. First the Earth is right now overpopulated. By my reckoning we have five billion too many people. I don’t really believe in most of ecological doomsday scenarios but it seems obvious that a world with two and a half billion people like we had when I was a kid is more stable than one with seven and a half billion.

    Second most people make no contribution to the betterment of humanity. I like to say that you need an IQ of 130 to do anything important. We can argue about the exact score but whatever it is , it is going up every year.

    No serious education reforms have worked. The Africans, Maoris and Aborigines are not catching up.

    The Africans are having a population explosion.

    None of those propositions is in serious doubt by serious people.

    The basic situation of a human being is that you are born and you die. We have chosen to greatly decrease the rate at which people die. Formerly the natural processes caused lots of death. If we have artificially decreased death we will sooner or later have to supplement that process with deaths of our own devising.

    I don’t like that conclusion but I can’t see a way out of our predicament. Man has taken responsibility for more and more formerly uncontrolled processes. If the population – particularly the low talent left side of the distribution population – doesn’t somehow get itself under control. There will arise those to address the problem.

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    The basic situation of a human being is that you are born and you die. We have chosen to greatly decrease the rate at which people die. Formerly the natural processes caused lots of death. If we have artificially decreased death we will sooner or later have to supplement that process with deaths of our own devising.

    I don’t like that conclusion but I can’t see a way out of our predicament. Man has taken responsibility for more and more formerly uncontrolled processes. If the population – particularly the low talent left side of the distribution population – doesn’t somehow get itself under control. There will arise those to address the problem.
     
    I don't support mass murder but the fact is if the situation gets bad enough, someone else is likely to.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    I like to say that you need an IQ of 130 to do anything important. We can argue about the exact score but whatever it is , it is going up every year.
     
    What is your IQ Pat?
    , @Kratoklastes

    I like to say that you need an IQ of 130 to do anything important
     
    It depends critically on how you define "important".

    Personally, I reckon 130's maybe half-an-sd too low as a benchmark for doing things of 'intellectual' importance, but my standards are high.

    I've known 120-ish IQ folks who, through dedication, grit and perseverance, have bootstrapped themselves to meaningful head-meat based employment. (Controlling ten billion bucks' worth of other people's money is not 'important', in my view, but it's not trivial).

    However a lot of jobs without which economic life would grind to a halt, can be performed by people much closer to the median.

    Crane drivers on the wharfs and building sites; builders' labourers; truckies and train drivers (for longhaul goods transport); oil rig workers; plumbers, electricians, carpenters... the list is really pretty long.

    And since you seem to be a bit of a population Chicken Little... guess what reduces fecundity? Rising living standards. It's one of the most regularly observed empirical regularities in economics.

    It's happening all over the world at the minute. Even in Sub-Saharan Africa - the locus of racialists' OCD on IQ differentials.

    Fertility rates are falling faster than you can say "We kinda worked out that having 5 kids is no longer necessary if shit changes in such a way that only 1 in 100 kids die" - because they have significantly better access to information that, say, a Catholic in 1950.

    It's very unlike what happened in the West - where the reduction of child and infant mortality preceded the growth of information-dissemination technology, so the dummies kept popping out ten kids (so long as Ma's uterus didn't fall out, she would go again, or risk excommunication).

    That's the source of the Monty Python joke about Catholics having children all over the place, and Anglicans not: Anglicans were richer (and smarter).

    And we have no problem feeding them - food insecurity is the lowest level in human history, and the agricultural system produces 30% more than is required to give every human being 2400 calories a day. It's a miracle (although it's not distributed adequately, for the moment), and it will only get better as technology continue to improve and population stabilises and starts to fall (global pop will wind up peaking at about 9 billion, and will then decline at about 0.5% a year).

    .

    I'm only giving you 55% for your proposed solution, not because it would be expensive and ineffective in addition to being unnecessary: that puts it squarely in line with any exceptionalist trope.

    No, I'm deducting marks for plagiarism: after all, Arnaud Amaury had the same idea at the seige of Beziers in 1209... "Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius" (Kill them all. The Lord will know which are his).

    Trying to kill them all (the old-fashioned white-fella way of doing things) just gets everyone stroppy, and nek minnit some brown-skinned swine has climbed over your fence in the night, and slit your wife & kids' throats in retribution for some perceived slight involving the massacre of his family. (We all know that blacks only have a simulacrum of white emotions, so it's not like he was genuinely annoyed or genuinely grieving: it would be a modern version of drapetomania - or similar to the bleating of the Irish during 1916, before they all got whiter in the 1980s and became invested with the full measure of human emotions).

    Sadly, the modern Darkie are no observers of the etiquette of genocide - they seldom just line up and let themselves be dispatched like cattle if an useful alternative springs to mind.

    Quite unlike the 1940s experience, with all those nice white(-ish) folks packing suitcases and lining up all organised to get on trains heading East... now that's how you do it.

    , @Anon
    This is the kind of comment that takes iSteve from the realm of the Intellectual Dark Web to the realm of the P J Chang's shun list and SPLC Nazi database.

    Maybe the "at whim" filter should be beefed up a bit.
    , @AnotherDad

    I hate to make intemperate statements or discordant comments but the answer is looming before us. We are going to have to kill them.
     
    No. Not at all.

    Two buckets:

    1) International
    If you look at fertility internationally:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate
    TFR is below replacement on over half the (land) area of the world, and at or approaching it in 3/4. There are a few random outliers, the Catholic Phillipines and a few more backward Muslim nations, but the big outlier is black Africa.

    The only thing forcing up population growth in the West is that we have allowed--insanely--immigration--worse immigration of higher fertility and more backward peoples--even as we've controlled our own fertility. Stop that, deport the invaders, and *contain* the problem and the problem is solved.

    Africa's population will soar and the four horsemen will ride, but it need not affect the rest of us. (We can preserve the wildlife in similar environments elsewhere.)

    So for the international problem--containment solves the problem.


    2) Domestic.
    The domestic problem is twofold. The birthcontrol pill, feminism/female-careerism has dropped smart/competent women's (and hence smart men's) fertility while the welfare state has stopped the natural suppression of the fertility of the stupid/lazy/shiftless. There's also the issue of the build up of mutational load.

    A very simple proposition: "If you are too incompetent to support yourself and require other people (taxpayer provided welfare) to support you then in return we require you have no (no more) children" is probably sufficient alone to turn around the disgenic trends. Do the same for medical interventions. Add increased screening for genetic mutations. Do some eugenic propaganda to create a target of "three" instead of "two" for smart women who have their act together--married, healthy, adequate financial resources--then you are certainly there.

    So for the domestic problem--eugenic welfare policy, genetic technology, eugenic cultural vibe and the problem is solved.

    ~~
    In short, this problem is not at all difficult to solve and solve even with the context of a liberal democratic order with individual rights.

    No the problem is entirely that we've been buried by the leftist/Jewish--and now establishment--anti-biological, anti-hereditarian, equalist, "nurture" nonsense. Where "eugenics" == "the Holocaust", where there are no "meaningful" racial differences, where everyone is equal--or would be but for "access to resources" and "oppression".

    Get rid of this anti-scientific nonsense and return to simply common sense understandings of human nature and human differences and all these problems are tractable.
    , @Corvinus
    "I hate to make intemperate statements or discordant comments but the answer is looming before us. We are going to have to kill them."

    No, OTHERS are going to have murder people while you, the armchair warrior, sit on the sidelines.

    "I don’t really believe in most of ecological doomsday scenarios but it seems obvious that a world with two and a half billion people like we had when I was a kid is more stable than one with seven and a half billion."

    Thanks for playing God here.

    "I like to say that you need an IQ of 130 to do anything important."

    Thanks for playing God here.
    , @Crawfurdmuir

    We are going to have to kill them.
     
    No such active measures would be necessary if the civilised world simply erected a cordon sanitaire around sub-Saharan Africa and stopped vaccinating, medicating, and sending the natives food or other material aid. Nature would then bring its population under control.

    The word "ecology" is surrounded by a sort of leftist brown-rice-and-bicycles aura, but has some hard facts behind it that do not necessarily support such fatuous beliefs. Central to ecology is the concept that land has a "carrying capacity," which can support a finite number of life forms. Man is distinct from other species in that he can to some degree increase the carrying capacity of land by conscious effort. However, there are limits to this.

    By importing modern medicine and technology to primitive parts of the world which have limited carrying capacity, the civilised nations have effectively removed the predators (microbes and parasites) that kept their populations under control. The natives are incapable of working the available land efficiently enough to feed their growing populations. The result is something like the population explosion of moose on Isle Royal, which is on the point of losing its wolves:

    https://www.freep.com/story/sports/outdoors/2017/04/18/moose-population-isle-royale/100592498/

    Naturalists have contemplated introducing new wolves to Isle Royal, as the alternative is simply to let starvation take its course among the overpopulated moose. Needless to say, no such realistic idea is entertained to deal with the surplus population in Africa. Indeed, we are too tender-hearted to let the place undergo a successful famine. We send aid that only encourages the overpopulation, and technology that only adds to the allure of migration to the affluent countries that produced it. When the Camp of the Saints scenario plays out, the vast hordes of sub-80 IQ migrants will simply take by force what they could not create by their own labor.

    We have been too clever by half, wallowing in what Kennan called the luxury of altruism and world-benefaction. The barbarian is at the gate, and it lies undefended. This will be the true "suicide of the West."

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  147. anon[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stan d Mute
    Gates’ status signaling buffoonery, all of it destructive to civilization and retention of capital, is why I’m such a big Paul Allen fan. Paul puts his Microcrap money into things that create good jobs, advance science and understanding, and advance mankind. Paul’s name won’t be associated with the demographic tidal wave from Africa that will subsume all civilization by 2100AD.

    Maybe Gates needed a good dose of the lymphoma Allen (and Sailer and I) survived? Note that Gates and Ballmer tried to screw Allen out of his Microcrap shares while Allen was undergoing his cancer treatments.
    https://www.cnet.com/news/paul-allen-gates-ballmer-tried-to-rip-me-off/

    He coulda owned a sports franchise. The Mariners coulda been the Yankees. Or fixed African population explosion. Oh well.

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  148. anon[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ed
    I could be wrong but I think only one jurisdiction is under court order to not utilize tracking, DC. Tracking is legal and is used throughout the country. The issue is that it’s out of favor with the education industry because of race. Although it’s quietly popular with teachers, better for class management.

    AP is defacto tracking. That is the part of of AP I approve.

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  149. @Dan
    The uber-wealthy's family foundations are first and foremost tax shelters. All of their wealth is put under the umbrella of the foundation and they're required to spend a certain amount on philanthropic endeavors, an amount that is much less than they would otherwise be taxed. It only works financially if one's wealth is beyond a certain threshold. I forget the number. But it doesn't make sense for someone who has just a few million dollars.

    Secondarily, they serve as a form of social control. If it's a direct initiative, such as this one, then the money is freely given hand in hand with the program that Gates and his ilk want implemented - the program that they themselves have written.

    Otherwise, an existing nonprofit or other entity can appeal to Gates for money through a highly competitive process which may result in a small sum coming their way - with an incredible number of strings attached on how the money is to be spent.

    The organizations end up spending inordinate amounts of time and energy just trying to secure some funds - the overwhelming majority who apply don't get any money - and even more time and energy is wasted documenting how the money is spent and attempting to prove to Gates et al that their money is being spent the way they want it spent and achieving the results they want.

    Proofs must be shown quarterly to yearly - a ridiculously short time horizon to effectively implement anything worthwhile, and eerily similar to the inane short-term time horizons that have plagued Wall Street over the past 30+ years.

    So, the elite have hollowed out the public sector through years of propaganda about government inefficiency only to subsequently set up their own incredibly inefficient system of nonprofits and other entities. The difference, of course, is that they control them.

    Oh yes, it also serves as wonderful publicity. Heartfelt philanthropists indeed. There's no self-interest there, just as there's no self-interest in development schemes in Africa.

    I believe foundations are required to spend 5% of their endowment each year. I do not know if spending includes foundation “expenses” of the kind the Clintons run up – trips on the Lolita Express, data destruction, retainers, etc.

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  150. @South Texas Guy
    A teacher's ability to keep the little demons in their seat, relatively quiet, and put forth at least a half-assed effort in their schoolwork is the make or break factor for work in education.

    The exceptions are those who teach below fourth grade, and high school honors teachers. In those two, actually being able to impart knowledge and skills is important, mostly because it's readily apparent if the kids are picking up the material or not. Consistently having third graders who can't read at level will get the state on a school district's ass. Having honors students flame out on SATs, college entrance essays, and taking remedial classes once at college will have their parents on the school board's ass.

    I never came close to making enough students sit down, shut up, and do their work, which is why I left my junior high job (high school positions are much harder to come by) after two years.

    Believe it or not by year 3 as a skinny white woman I got the junior high age punks to consistently sit down and shut up. It’s because I acted deranged and kept the kids on their toes. And told the kids conspiracy theories when admin wasn’t looking (teens of all races, genders and academic ability levels love hearing about the illumanati and speculation about organ trafficking or weather control). Plus being young probably helped- don’t know that they’ll be as cooperative when in a decade or so when I’m lacking the cool factor. Why I’m looking to get out relatively soon.

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  151. Tony says:

    To Bill Gates:

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  152. anon[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ed
    Education reform is one of the issues rich people use to project that they’re good people. Gates, Zuckerberg and Eli Broad have spent billions on education reform with scant results.

    But it seems so easy. Half the people here, even though they know better, have big ideas. Everything that can be known about education is mostly known and been tried.

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  153. peterike says:
    @Hindoo
    See, I have been telling this for years now.

    The reason that Black/Latino/White brudahs are under-represented at elite universities, such as UCLA, is NOT because of Desi/Oriental/Jew ethno-nepotism but simply because of higher IQs (adjusted for nutrition/primary education etc.), and, a culture of immanent excellence.

    Gates Foundation has finally got rid of PC and admitted to this as it does not want to be wrong side of history.

    Even bona fide White nationalists admit to this fact of nature.

    The US government should immediately increase caps for Desi H-1b workers, as there are insufficient talents in US labor market, and ensure a quick path to permanent residence/citizenship, if it wants to stay competitive AND relevant in the world.

    “The US government should immediately increase caps for Desi H-1b workers, as there are insufficient talents in US labor market, and ensure a quick path to permanent residence/citizenship, if it wants to stay competitive AND relevant in the world.”

    Lol! Drop dead, parasite.

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    "Lol! Drop dead, parasite."

    Classy!
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  154. peterike says:

    Oh c’mon. At Microsoft, Gates was widely understood to be a narrow minded, vindictive bastard. None of that has changed.

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  155. MrLiberty says:

    Nobody ever wants to blame the parents for failing to take ANY responsibility for the raising of their children and for handing them over to a failed centrally-planned bureaucracy that fails at everything it does. Government-run schools are horrible BECAUSE they are run by the government. Any child that manages to survive 12 years in the hands of these incompetents, only does so because they have parents that make up for the mistake of putting their children in government schools, with encouragement and outside teaching at home. Until we abolish the violence-based funding mechanism and the entire government “education” apparatus, along with ALL meddling by government in education, our future is doomed. ONLY a truly competitive, free market in educational options that includes charity schools, voluntarily-funded scholarships, homeschools, private schools, co-op schools, on-line schools, and whatever other creative options might arise, can EVER hope to deliver the kind of quality, diverse, and CUSTOMER-FOCUSED education that everyone in society requires. And until parents are finally FORCED to care about their children’s education, and FORCED to be financially accountable for it as well (along with the empowerment that paying also brings), they too are never going to take their parental responsibilities seriously enough to ensure their kids care about education.

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  156. Dan Hayes says:
    @Oprah Fan
    How could they be protecting their wealth when they are in the process of completely giving it away?

    Oprah Fan:

    Bill & Melinda’s small potatoes danegeld is a clever means of protecting their obscenely greater wealth.

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  157. @dr kill
    Was anyone else forced to learn New Math from Numo and Nimbo in 60- 63 period? I finally had my dad teach me long division. The New Math fucked us all .

    We had “Maryland Math”, sixth grade, 1962. Some attempt by U.of Md. to re-invent the wheel. Completely incomprehensible to me, a mystery to my dad who was an engineer. Fortunately, I was able to use “arithmetic” to eventually get the correct answers. The smart kids thrived on it; the bastards.

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  158. @Travis
    Disparate impact prevents schools from segregating by ability because it will result in segregated schools like in NYC.
    Not sure how NYC is exempt from disparate impact rulings which forced schools in New Jersey to end tracking in schools. NJ schools which used test scores to separate the best students from the average and the average students from the poor students is not permitted in NJ, due to court cases brought to the federal level. Even banning the testing requirement was not enough , the lawsuits continued because although schools no longer required a test to take AP course the classes remained mostly white as Blacks chose not to take the harder classes....yet the lawsuits continue and will now force NJ to push Blacks into AP classes to avoid disparate impact.

    Exactly right.

    Also, very few people can stomach the thought of what a true educational meritocracy might look like. (And Steve’s ancient point that lots and lots of white guys – including me, I admit it – just love having the “athletes” play for their school’s team. That is incredibly important to those white guys! If the NCAA was to disappear tomorrow, there would be much gnashing of teeth by millions of middle-class white men.)

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    (And Steve’s ancient point that lots and lots of white guys – including me, I admit it – just love having the “athletes” play for their school’s team. That is incredibly important to those white guys! If the NCAA was to disappear tomorrow, there would be much gnashing of teeth by millions of middle-class white men.)
     
    Time to wean yourselves.
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  159. Highlander says: • Website
    @Anthony Wayne
    O/T A spectacular gem from Matt Yglesias

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1010583650042306560

    It did, from West Africa.

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  160. @Anon
    This is by no means a new result. Why is anyone still bothering to study this?

    As usual, everyone imports their prejudices into some policy debate, and stamps and screeches when they get to say “See? I fucking told you!” – usually without thinking too hard, lest they be forced to change any of their premises.

    Because here’s my take on it: it’s only moderately complex, but represents some feeble attempt at ‘joined up thinking’. And it deliberately (until further below) ignores the main point.

    It has 4 premises and a couple of conclusions.

    ① schools with bad demographic profiles are hostile and risky workplaces;
    ② teaching talent is scarce, and starts from a generally low base;
    ③ talent will (generally) seek the highest-return, lowest risk work environment;
    ④ student outcomes are weakly influenced by teacher talent.

    This means that

    Ⓐ spending to improve teachers’ skills is a priori unlikely to produce measurable differences in student outcomes, irrespective of the demographic profile of the school;
    Ⓑ spending to improve low-quality teachers’ skill is unlikely to improve their skills to any significant extent anyway (they’re low-quality teachers because they were low-quality students, in turn because they’re from about the median of the Bell Curve, at best);
    Ⓒ anything that actually did improve low-quality-teachers’ skills by a significant amount (i.e., some pixie dust that magically turned them into ‘quality‘ teachers), would lead to outward-migration of the newly-minted ‘quality’ teachers (they would abandon their benighted schools, and head for greener pastures, if they had the remotest lick of sense).

    As to my prejudices: I have them, and I make a habit of trying to know what they are.

    My primary prejudice in the education stuff is that the primary cause of shit schools, is mandatory attendance at school past the age of about 13.

    (Note I did not say ‘mandatory education‘, because that’s not possible).

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    After the age of about 13, individuals who are there compulsorily, are not just wasting their (and everyone else’s) time: they also cannot be controlled by the sub-par individuals who make up the bulk of the teaching ‘profession’ (a profession which is to 95-IQ obese middle-aged divorcées and spinsters, what the US Marine Corps is to 20-something high-school dropouts from the same segment of the IQ distribution).

    Next time you think about the average grade 10 class, think what it would be like if
    ① everyone was there more-or-less voluntarily; and
    ② the person at the front was not a third-rate nobody with objectively poor impulse control (how do you get respect from people, when they can see you can’t control your own sugar intake? On what basis do you have the right to expect respect, when your own life is in disarray?)

    Obviously, removing mandatory 13-18 daycare will have other effects: permitting 13+ year-olds to leave school if they wish, means a bunch of 13-18 year olds with a lot of time on their hands. (They will be happier than if they had to go to school, but policy has nothing to do with them, the ungrateful swine).

    A lot of hand-wringers and pearl-clutchers will think that this new abundance of free-range 13+ year olds will lead to more crime (particularly property crime).

    Why do they think that? Do they not think that these naughty brown blighters currently commit crime going to and from school, and after hours? These little criminals would be extremely – nay, employably – industrious if they were of a type to expand their workrate to fill their free time.

    In any case, it’s not clear to me that the resultant damage (society-wide) would cost more than the current “mandatory largely-incompetent daycare until age 18” system. That’s an empirical matter, and since the policy’s never been tried it can’t be quantified.

    But what we can quantify now is the adverse effects on others, and the other social costs, of mandatory attendance.

    Those who do not want to be there, contribute adversely to the learning environment, and do not reform (except in Edward James Olmos movies, and the propaganda literature of teachers’ unions) – so they drag down the outcome of the 10% or so of their classmates who actually want to be there.

    They consume massive amounts of resources: the cost per public-student arse-on-seat is about $12,000 a year, before the student does anything to fuck up the kid next to him. Just giving half of that directly to the kid who doesn’t want to be there, as a ‘thank you’ for not fucking up everyone’s day… that would obviate the downside, mitigate the potential crime, and would be revenue-neutral (because states would be able to close down about a quarter of all high schools).

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    Now – to comparisons across school districts: why compulsory attendance is worse in areas with ‘bad’ demographics.

    First: as a kiddie, your home environment is a huge influence, even if you claim loud and long that it’s not. If your social milieu tells you that school is a waste of time, you will ‘take that on board’ and it will condition your response to being made to go to day care at 15.

    Conversely, if your parents stress the importance of education, it will also condition your response to the ordeal.

    What do you think is the ‘mix’ of opinions in a ‘good’ school district, versus a ‘bad’?

    And even if you’re from an ‘education is important’ household, the more congruent your home life is with that paradigm, the stronger will be the link.

    So a kid from a ‘good’ school district (which means, generally, higher education; higher income; lower-unemployment; more-stable families) has all sorts of positive reinforcement that reduces his/her antipathy towards school attendance. (That is not saying that there is no antipathy: there’s plenty, but nowhere near the levels in ‘undesirable’ suburbs).

    They may think Mum’s new (third) husband is a dick, but “hubby #3″ went to UNLV and has a Lexus – and if the kid does well on their SATs they might get a car bought for them (it might even be post-2000!).

    That’s just not in the fucking scope of experience for inner-city black kids.

    Anyhow – like most complex topics, most discussion of it takes place in sound bites and undeclared preferences. It’s a much more complex problem than can be solved by trying to get the median inner-urban teacher to be able to read at a high-school level.

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  161. @Jim Don Bob
    Magic schools has been the driving idea behind integration for 50+ years now.

    Not magic schools.  Magic White kids.

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  162. A bit of dishonesty on your part, Mr. Blogger—-

    Where does it state that Gates believes the blame should be put on either bad students or bad teachers???? WHERE!?

    Just because you read certain things into it, does not make it so. You make assumptions, take shortcuts, or maybe you’re just dishonest.

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  163. @Anthony Wayne
    O/T A spectacular gem from Matt Yglesias

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1010583650042306560

    Another entry for the “Too Clever By Half” department. Matty Y is an endless source of entertainment.

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  164. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    To Bill Gates’ credit, he periodically announces that some education reform fad boondoggle he has financed has failed empirically.
     
    Good to hear - when's he going to announce anything about Windows?

    Software is supposed to be used as a tool. Most real tools don't require one to relearn their use every coupla years!

    Software is supposed to be used as a tool. Most real tools don’t require one to relearn their use every coupla years!

    Agree. With every (or at least many) new versions of Microsoft’s operating systems or programs, their “productivity software” become “lack of productivity software”, due to the re-learning required of the new versions and the associated extreme frustration. The whole thing is extremely inefficient.

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  165. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @jim jones
    I believe he still posts on the Steve Hsu blog. Anyways here is a video of Japanese kids cleaning their own classroom - no janitor required for these little dynamos:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLo0phnh-kA

    My son and his classmates have to clean their desks sometimes. He likes doing it.

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  166. @Rod1963
    Gates is my age. He grew up going to schools for upper class whites like himself He has no idea what schools are like today.

    He also seems to be easily manipulated since he promoted that steaming pile of nonsense called "Common Core " which is the express train to killing a interest in children's ability to learn. The guy who peddled it wasn't even a teacher.

    That said, it was far easier to teach a homogeneous student population versus a "diverse" one where the students are two SD to the Left of the white students they used to teach and come from cultures where learning is not encouraged. Which makes it near impossible to impart knowledge to such children. Nor will they ever be "Westerners" they will remain Mexican or whatever their parents were.

    You can't fix that by throwing money at it.

    Like the old saying goes: "you turn a sow's ear into a silk purse"

    I’m pretty sure you CAN’T turn a sow’s ear into a silk purse.

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  167. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Boyle
    I hate to make intemperate statements or discordant comments but the answer is looming before us. We are going to have to kill them.

    Let's establish some agreed upon facts. First the Earth is right now overpopulated. By my reckoning we have five billion too many people. I don't really believe in most of ecological doomsday scenarios but it seems obvious that a world with two and a half billion people like we had when I was a kid is more stable than one with seven and a half billion.

    Second most people make no contribution to the betterment of humanity. I like to say that you need an IQ of 130 to do anything important. We can argue about the exact score but whatever it is , it is going up every year.

    No serious education reforms have worked. The Africans, Maoris and Aborigines are not catching up.

    The Africans are having a population explosion.

    None of those propositions is in serious doubt by serious people.

    The basic situation of a human being is that you are born and you die. We have chosen to greatly decrease the rate at which people die. Formerly the natural processes caused lots of death. If we have artificially decreased death we will sooner or later have to supplement that process with deaths of our own devising.

    I don't like that conclusion but I can't see a way out of our predicament. Man has taken responsibility for more and more formerly uncontrolled processes. If the population - particularly the low talent left side of the distribution population - doesn't somehow get itself under control. There will arise those to address the problem.

    The basic situation of a human being is that you are born and you die. We have chosen to greatly decrease the rate at which people die. Formerly the natural processes caused lots of death. If we have artificially decreased death we will sooner or later have to supplement that process with deaths of our own devising.

    I don’t like that conclusion but I can’t see a way out of our predicament. Man has taken responsibility for more and more formerly uncontrolled processes. If the population – particularly the low talent left side of the distribution population – doesn’t somehow get itself under control. There will arise those to address the problem.

    I don’t support mass murder but the fact is if the situation gets bad enough, someone else is likely to.

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    Exactly right. Steve published a couple postings on the African population explosion. I took him to mean that we had a big problem looming - not that he advocated genocide.
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  168. Here’s a proposal for Bill Gates to test out: Go to a place like St. Paul, where the Obama Administration’s war on disparate impact in public school discipline was taken seriously, and see how much you can improve things by boosting discipline.

    I LOVE this. It won’t happen because they know the outcome.

    The bastards.

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  169. @Pat Boyle
    I hate to make intemperate statements or discordant comments but the answer is looming before us. We are going to have to kill them.

    Let's establish some agreed upon facts. First the Earth is right now overpopulated. By my reckoning we have five billion too many people. I don't really believe in most of ecological doomsday scenarios but it seems obvious that a world with two and a half billion people like we had when I was a kid is more stable than one with seven and a half billion.

    Second most people make no contribution to the betterment of humanity. I like to say that you need an IQ of 130 to do anything important. We can argue about the exact score but whatever it is , it is going up every year.

    No serious education reforms have worked. The Africans, Maoris and Aborigines are not catching up.

    The Africans are having a population explosion.

    None of those propositions is in serious doubt by serious people.

    The basic situation of a human being is that you are born and you die. We have chosen to greatly decrease the rate at which people die. Formerly the natural processes caused lots of death. If we have artificially decreased death we will sooner or later have to supplement that process with deaths of our own devising.

    I don't like that conclusion but I can't see a way out of our predicament. Man has taken responsibility for more and more formerly uncontrolled processes. If the population - particularly the low talent left side of the distribution population - doesn't somehow get itself under control. There will arise those to address the problem.

    I like to say that you need an IQ of 130 to do anything important. We can argue about the exact score but whatever it is , it is going up every year.

    What is your IQ Pat?

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    Not quite sure what my IQ is. I did well on standardized tests in school and I was often the best student in a wide variety of subjects in college - except languages. I went through grad school on a full academic scholarship and won a couple competitive fellowships. So I'm reasonably smart. However I'm nowhere near as smart as several commenters on this blog or Steve himself.

    I took the Stanford-Binet test once as a favor to a psych grad student who needed to practice. As I remember he said about 145. I don't remember my SATs or the math part of my GRE but I do remember getting a perfect 800 on the verbal part. Chuck Schumer got 800s on both parts but of course he took it more than twenty times. I took it once.
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  170. anon[693] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpS2JJYfbZ8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDfGFe7TY24

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGpHEPAHQ3E

    Maybe we need this here.

    Hmm, why did AFP block embedding of their video on isteve?!?

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  171. Marty says:
    @dr kill
    Was anyone else forced to learn New Math from Numo and Nimbo in 60- 63 period? I finally had my dad teach me long division. The New Math fucked us all .

    Duckducking, I can’t find a reference to Numo/Nimbo re math instruction.

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  172. Imagine our High School basketball program was run the same way the educational system is, but rather than testing the players for their strengths such as height, speed, eye-hand coordination they just randomly select whomever. Worse, because we know that all students have equal physical talents, we purposely select the shortest person in school to be the center because it adds vertical diversity. Then, rather than have the players practice and work out, we drill them with propaganda about why white people keep cheating them of victories and if they spent more money it would change.

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  173. utu says:
    @Almost Missouri
    Wait, weren't all of the other Gates Foundation education projects also failures? And come to think of it, weren't their medical projects (actually third-world population enswellments) also either failures or merely the heaping up of future famine/migration problems? In fact, isn't every do-gooder project pretty much just a catastrophe-in-waiting?

    Well, at least they admit it ... sort of.

    From the little I hear about Gates Foundation staffers, they are pretty good, at least by the standards of nonprofits, which tend to attract the deluded, the desperate, the decrepit and the degenerate.

    Newark and Zuckerbereg?

    Mark Zuckerberg once made a $100 million investment in a major US city to help fix its schools — now the mayor says the effort ‘parachuted’ in and failed

    http://www.businessinsider.com/mark-zuckerberg-schools-education-newark-mayor-ras-baraka-cory-booker-2018-5

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  174. @Dale Gribble
    A little off topic: On a few tv series that include characters who teach in "tough" schools, the white male teacher is completely ineffective in enforcing classroom order. Just when an unruly thug is about to lay down with the male teacher the female principal marches in and the the thugs immediately back off. Im thinking of The Wire and The Affair. A little Steve help here please.

    There was a “story” on what passes for a national nightly television news program about “closing the achievement gap” by hiring “teachers who better resemble their students.”

    Black male teachers. The black part passed the SJW screen of the network news writers, but that the male part was a critical part from an enforce discipline perspective, you could tell that whoever was “reporting the story” was just choking on those words. “Back to you, Lester!”

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  175. midtown says:
    @TheJester
    I recently spent time in local 1st Grade-through-5 Grade public school classrooms through a program to involve parents/grandparents in the educational process. It was enlightening.

    The system is challenged by having to fold large numbers of immigrant children from alien cultures and religions into the same neighborhood schools. Our grandson's elementary school has a broad mix of students from China, Nigeria, Ghana, India, Pakistan, Mexico, San Salvador, Honduras, Somalia, South Korea, MENA, etc., alongside white American children with a heritage from Northern Europe. Asian students typically run off with the academic awards and chess championships. The students from sub-Saharan Africa have the most issues.

    The challenge of immigration is compounded by trying to integrate autistic children and children with other learning/behavioral disabilities into classrooms with other students. It seems that every classroom has a quota of children who are not expected to learn or follow directions. They're just "there". The other children are trained to ignore their antics and disruptive distractions.

    Conclusions: Public education in the United States can barely hold its own in the face of (1) massive immigration from a hodgepodge of cultures, religions, languages, IQs, and (2) the integration of children with learning and/or behavioral disabilities into regular classrooms. This represents too broad a range of special, social, and cultural needs among the students for teachers to focus on academics.

    In more concrete terms, it is impossible for a school system to succeed when one teacher with a 1:22 teacher/student ratio is expected to reach children with IQs ranging from 86 to 120 ... compounded by language and cultural issues ... compounded by responsibility for children with special needs and learning disabilities.

    It can't be done.

    Good points, thank you!

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  176. @Pat Boyle
    I hate to make intemperate statements or discordant comments but the answer is looming before us. We are going to have to kill them.

    Let's establish some agreed upon facts. First the Earth is right now overpopulated. By my reckoning we have five billion too many people. I don't really believe in most of ecological doomsday scenarios but it seems obvious that a world with two and a half billion people like we had when I was a kid is more stable than one with seven and a half billion.

    Second most people make no contribution to the betterment of humanity. I like to say that you need an IQ of 130 to do anything important. We can argue about the exact score but whatever it is , it is going up every year.

    No serious education reforms have worked. The Africans, Maoris and Aborigines are not catching up.

    The Africans are having a population explosion.

    None of those propositions is in serious doubt by serious people.

    The basic situation of a human being is that you are born and you die. We have chosen to greatly decrease the rate at which people die. Formerly the natural processes caused lots of death. If we have artificially decreased death we will sooner or later have to supplement that process with deaths of our own devising.

    I don't like that conclusion but I can't see a way out of our predicament. Man has taken responsibility for more and more formerly uncontrolled processes. If the population - particularly the low talent left side of the distribution population - doesn't somehow get itself under control. There will arise those to address the problem.

    I like to say that you need an IQ of 130 to do anything important

    It depends critically on how you define “important”.

    Personally, I reckon 130′s maybe half-an-sd too low as a benchmark for doing things of ‘intellectual’ importance, but my standards are high.

    I’ve known 120-ish IQ folks who, through dedication, grit and perseverance, have bootstrapped themselves to meaningful head-meat based employment. (Controlling ten billion bucks’ worth of other people’s money is not ‘important’, in my view, but it’s not trivial).

    However a lot of jobs without which economic life would grind to a halt, can be performed by people much closer to the median.

    Crane drivers on the wharfs and building sites; builders’ labourers; truckies and train drivers (for longhaul goods transport); oil rig workers; plumbers, electricians, carpenters… the list is really pretty long.

    And since you seem to be a bit of a population Chicken Little… guess what reduces fecundity? Rising living standards. It’s one of the most regularly observed empirical regularities in economics.

    It’s happening all over the world at the minute. Even in Sub-Saharan Africa – the locus of racialists’ OCD on IQ differentials.

    Fertility rates are falling faster than you can say “We kinda worked out that having 5 kids is no longer necessary if shit changes in such a way that only 1 in 100 kids die” – because they have significantly better access to information that, say, a Catholic in 1950.

    It’s very unlike what happened in the West – where the reduction of child and infant mortality preceded the growth of information-dissemination technology, so the dummies kept popping out ten kids (so long as Ma’s uterus didn’t fall out, she would go again, or risk excommunication).

    That’s the source of the Monty Python joke about Catholics having children all over the place, and Anglicans not: Anglicans were richer (and smarter).

    And we have no problem feeding them – food insecurity is the lowest level in human history, and the agricultural system produces 30% more than is required to give every human being 2400 calories a day. It’s a miracle (although it’s not distributed adequately, for the moment), and it will only get better as technology continue to improve and population stabilises and starts to fall (global pop will wind up peaking at about 9 billion, and will then decline at about 0.5% a year).

    .

    I’m only giving you 55% for your proposed solution, not because it would be expensive and ineffective in addition to being unnecessary: that puts it squarely in line with any exceptionalist trope.

    No, I’m deducting marks for plagiarism: after all, Arnaud Amaury had the same idea at the seige of Beziers in 1209… “Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius” (Kill them all. The Lord will know which are his).

    Trying to kill them all (the old-fashioned white-fella way of doing things) just gets everyone stroppy, and nek minnit some brown-skinned swine has climbed over your fence in the night, and slit your wife & kids’ throats in retribution for some perceived slight involving the massacre of his family. (We all know that blacks only have a simulacrum of white emotions, so it’s not like he was genuinely annoyed or genuinely grieving: it would be a modern version of drapetomania – or similar to the bleating of the Irish during 1916, before they all got whiter in the 1980s and became invested with the full measure of human emotions).

    Sadly, the modern Darkie are no observers of the etiquette of genocide – they seldom just line up and let themselves be dispatched like cattle if an useful alternative springs to mind.

    Quite unlike the 1940s experience, with all those nice white(-ish) folks packing suitcases and lining up all organised to get on trains heading East… now that‘s how you do it.

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  177. @WowJustWow
    In a good STEM education, even if you just stick to the required courses, it often feels like you're taking the same course over again from slightly different perspectives each time, particularly linear algebra and differential equations. But even then, very few students outside of pure math majors ever achieve a mature, unified understanding that comes from a synthesis of those perspectives. The trouble is, it's difficult to become convinced of the value of that level of understanding until you've actually acquired it. I certainly didn't until I was years out of college, and then I started kicking myself for having never taken abstract algebra.

    But I don't think forcing students into a ladder-like progression of mastery, even at elite levels, is the right approach. Leaning breadth helps create a foundation for learning depth. Letting students make lateral moves into different subjects so they can start to make intuitive connections to existing knowledge on their own is a better way to identify which of them are ready for a higher synthesis, so you don't end up thrusting a bunch of them into an advanced class that many will drop or fail. It's a vast body of knowledge, and it takes a while to get from not knowing what you don't know to knowing what you don't know to knowing how to decide what's best for you to learn next.

    In a good STEM education, even if you just stick to the required courses, it often feels like you’re taking the same course over again from slightly different perspectives each time, particularly linear algebra and differential equations. But even then, very few students outside of pure math majors ever achieve a mature, unified understanding that comes from a synthesis of those perspectives. The trouble is, it’s difficult to become convinced of the value of that level of understanding until you’ve actually acquired it. I certainly didn’t until I was years out of college, and then I started kicking myself for having never taken abstract algebra.

    Funny, I had just this conversation, about linear algebra, two days ago—with my brother, who studied electrical engineering in college. I majored in mathematics, and took several pure math courses.

    I pointed out to him that to me, in college, linear algebra seemed almost inevitable, a natural corollary that followed from all that I had studied before it. By contrast, he bemoaned the fact that his first exposure to it was through matrix operations, which seemed to him, then, completely arbitrary and meaningless.

    A similar situation exists today with a lot of economics undergraduate students. In many universities, they are taught to approach economics with the formalism and notation of real analysis, rather than through graphs and the simplest of algebra, as the pedagogy used to require. Quite a few bright students get their bachelor’s degree in economics with little gut level understanding of the issues of economics or feel for the subject.

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  178. RH says:

    It’s a shame Mr. Gates did not consult me about what makes a successful student. I could have told him and saved him millions and a lot of wasted time. The secret lies in having a home where love of and respect for learning are encouraged, especially by example. Among teachers (like myself), this knowledge is commonplace, yet these high-powered researchers never seem to think that asking teachers what makes for success in school is something that makes obvious sense. Bizarre.

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    The secret lies in having a home where love of and respect for learning are encouraged, especially by example.
     
    Serious question, how much of that do you attribute to the nurturing environment and how much to the shared genes? I wonder what the result would be of diametrically opposite parents (in that regard) switching kids at birth and raising them to maturity.
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  179. @Dale Gribble
    A little off topic: On a few tv series that include characters who teach in "tough" schools, the white male teacher is completely ineffective in enforcing classroom order. Just when an unruly thug is about to lay down with the male teacher the female principal marches in and the the thugs immediately back off. Im thinking of The Wire and The Affair. A little Steve help here please.

    “the female principal marches in and the the thugs immediately back off”

    A lot of puzzling content of TV shows is essentially fan service for some segment of the audience
    That particular trope is fan service for women that allows them to project themselves into the action and fantasize that
    1) they’re more powerful than the white men (you can get women to do almost anything if you sell it as challenging male power, or now specifically ‘white male power’)
    2) have a deep rapport with the young thugs who nevertheless respect her,
    3) she could totally hook up with the exciting young thugs if circumstances allowed.
    It’s a softer, shorter version of the random, featureless female who drives a powerful, dangerous man (or men) mad with lust and love because of her effortless specialness.

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  180. @El Dato
    Actually, the money quote is from U-SoCal, not Canada

    "However, However...."


    However, Mike Ananny, assistant professor of communication and journalism at the University of Southern California, said focusing on the changing narrative of the picture plays into the hands of those who want to deny the existence of families being separated..

    "I think the child crying represented something that is very real, and the fact that that particular child's story shifted or changed a little bit from what it was assumed to be — to me it's just not that important."

    Ananny said images are not just documentation.

    "They are symbols at the same time. They can mean a lot of different things at once."
     

    Not making stuff up "plays into the hand of those who would deny", so shut up and publish.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness

    Cop looking for illegal immigrants in images that mean lots of different things at once:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkcU0gwZUdg

    (Which reminds me that giving voice commands to software has become pedestrian, which blows my mind, actually)

    Sickenng. It was a custody battle, and they’re still using it to prove whatever.

    The poor kid probably needed to be changed, fed, and put down for a nap–not amnesty.

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  181. Anon[183] • Disclaimer says:
    @Roger
    If you believe in the blank slate, and if you notice the vast diversity of student outcomes in schools, then it seems obvious that schools can be radically improved, and that some scientific experiments will show us how.

    Gates is known to be a huge fan of Steven Pinker. Has he read The Blank Slate?

    “Has Gates read The Blank Slate?”

    Have you? ;-)

    Pinker’s book makes the case that the blank slate theory is false, not true, so someone who had read the book and bought into its ideas would not believe that school reform would have any lasting consequences.

    The problem for a guy like Gates is that he has to act through other people. Anyone he could hire is going to be pre-koolade-ed. School districts you try to work with will be staffed with kooladed administrators, many of them black, since you don’t need to pass cognitively demanding praxis tests to be an administrator, so it’s a good place to diversify the staff.

    The same with corporations. Do you want a more rational HR department? Who can you hire? Anyone “qualified” is an SJW. Do you tell your board or VCs that you want to spend 20 percent of your time on developing independent HR people rather than on core product stuff. Even if you did, outside counsel would be full SJW and tell your HR people the are legally required to do this and that.

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    "many of them black, since you don’t need to pass cognitively demanding praxis tests to be an administrator,"

    You do have to pass a cognitively demanding praxis test to be a teacher, and outside of charters, the administrator population were all teachers first.
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  182. Anan says:
    @Pat Boyle
    I tried to post a comment at the end of this thread but found that the comments were closed. Huh?

    I thought for few minutes to see if I could imagine an 'EDUCATION REFORM' that might make a difference. It took about two minutes. I propose that high school students are all required to take Algebra twice. If they take Algebra II then they should take Algebra I twice and Algebra II twice.

    There are many immediate advantages to this plan. First of all the kids will learn more algebra. Secondly they won't have time in their schedule for all those empty headed filler classes like ethnic studies or sociology. All kids should take the real courses more than once. For example - American History. Study the period leading up to the Civil War using two different text books and two different political perspectives.

    Recently I read Victor Davis Hanson's new book "The Second World Wars". It wasn't because I knew nothing of that period. I have read - like most of this blog's readership - many histories of our conflict with the Nazis and Fascists. But Hanson is a good historian. I wanted his perspective.

    Similarly I took statistics in college several times as I changed my major. I took stat in the psychology department, the business department and the math department. I got pretty good at statistics. So I would require all high school students to take algebra as freshmen and then again when they became seniors. After all those stat classes I ended up teaching stat in colleges. My universal observation was that my students never knew much math. I used to give what I called the "Smurf Algebra Test". I got it from the TV cartoon. It was too advanced for any of my college students.

    There - I offer this advice free. If you are grateful I will accept two billion dollars as a reward.

    This is brilliant. I ended up taking integral and differential calculus at least three times each in high school and college, with A’s, but it didn’t click at the Eureka level until the last time. Before then I could do the problems, but I couldn’t imagine how anyone could have thought it up. The last time I had the experience of thinking, This is obvious, this is how Leibnitz andNew came up with this stuff!

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    There very definitely is a 'Eureka' moment. I was teaching stat (business stat) once and I was explaining the Neyman-Pierson Lemma when suddenly a girl in the front row got it. Her eyes lit up. I had said much the same to hundreds of students before, I don't think many (any?) of the others got it.

    There's a big difference between being able to do 'cook book' stat by rote and understanding the math concepts.
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  183. a reader says:
    @Oprah Fan
    Gates should take a page from Oprah's book. Oprah had the chance to either open a school for poor girls in the US or South Africa. She wisely chose South Africa. Gates should figure out he can't help poor people in the US, but he can do a lot of good in the poor world.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR2c2vydNGc

    She wisely chose South Africa.

    Right, hardly any glitches over there.

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    The dorm matron accused of sexual abuse was acquitted. Several girls had lied to destroy the woman's life. Some people are just evil. What could Oprah do but support the girls? Who wouldn't believe them? The school has operated over 10 years.

    A few months after that, the dorm matron was acquitted of all charges, the Guardian wrote. A judge had found the girls' accusations self-contradictory and not credible.

    The matron told reporters that her life had been ruined. She was broke, unemployed and said she didn't know if she could ever forgive Winfrey, who continued to stand by the girls' accusations.
     
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  184. @PiltdownMan

    RAND is a pretty intensive analytical group, so good for Gates for hiring somebody smart to evaluate his fad rather than having some Ed School do it.
     
    I think there's considerable difference between the government/military/strategic side of RAND, which my colleagues and I spoke about with hushed awe back when I was a young operations research analyst 35 years ago, and their newer areas of study, such as education.

    V. Darleen Opfer runs their education research unit. Education is not my area of understanding or competence, so I cannot assess the value of her work, but here is a link to some of her output and an old video on YouTube, from 2011.

    https://www.rand.org/about/people/o/opfer_v_darleen.html#commentary

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5Mnvt4vJDA

    Dr. V. Darleen Opfer

    Hmm …. “Opfer” is German for “victim”. I think she is a victim of too many cheeseburgers.

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  185. Tyrion 2 says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2
    OT but weird stuff is going on in Turkey. Even weirder than usual. Currently the opposition and government disagree over the proportion of ballots that have been counted. Roughly 50% or almost 100%.

    There's no obvious explanation. Expect huge drama if none presents itself.

    It seems the strangeness was just the opposition playing silly games. Erdogan now has quasi-monarchical powers. He’s very popular as he’s mostly done a very good job, while the opposition don’t really stand for anything. In essence, despite media protestations, Erdogan tends to be the adult in the room.

    Turkey is now definitely locked into following its own path, barring economic catastrophe. Neo-Ottomanism is a common designation. Perhaps modern Islamic Conservatism is more accurate if less pithy. Or, just moderate nationalism.

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  186. @ThreeCranes
    In the games I've watched, half the scores were fluke rebounds off of shots on goals. Something wrong with a game that goes on for 90 minutes and the lone score was the result of an accident.

    They need to get rid of the offside rule in soccer and open the game up to long range bombs and stealth raids.

    On the plus side, soccer is a game you can watch on TV while reading a book or trimming your toenails and not miss too much.

    They need to allow players to rotate in and out of the game , to have more fresh legs and more action. They should also have a penalty box like in hockey , a yellow card would force the player into the box for 5 minutes.

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  187. @Anon
    This is by no means a new result. Why is anyone still bothering to study this?

    Why do education deep-thinkers continuing to study ineffective approaches to improving schools, when they already know the right answers? Because they don’t like the right answers; they violate their equality axiom.

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  188. @Rod1963
    Gates is my age. He grew up going to schools for upper class whites like himself He has no idea what schools are like today.

    He also seems to be easily manipulated since he promoted that steaming pile of nonsense called "Common Core " which is the express train to killing a interest in children's ability to learn. The guy who peddled it wasn't even a teacher.

    That said, it was far easier to teach a homogeneous student population versus a "diverse" one where the students are two SD to the Left of the white students they used to teach and come from cultures where learning is not encouraged. Which makes it near impossible to impart knowledge to such children. Nor will they ever be "Westerners" they will remain Mexican or whatever their parents were.

    You can't fix that by throwing money at it.

    Like the old saying goes: "you turn a sow's ear into a silk purse"

    Gates is my age.

    From your handle I assume you were born in 1963. Bill was born in 1955. I know this because Bill and I were born on the same day. I remember reading a short bio of Bill and was amused by the similarity in our lives. Our parents have the same first names, we married later in life in 1994, and had our first child within three days of each other. At this rate I figure we’ll die on the same day as well.

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  189. Brutusale says:
    @Oprah Fan
    Gates should take a page from Oprah's book. Oprah had the chance to either open a school for poor girls in the US or South Africa. She wisely chose South Africa. Gates should figure out he can't help poor people in the US, but he can do a lot of good in the poor world.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR2c2vydNGc
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  190. Anon[183] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Boyle
    I hate to make intemperate statements or discordant comments but the answer is looming before us. We are going to have to kill them.

    Let's establish some agreed upon facts. First the Earth is right now overpopulated. By my reckoning we have five billion too many people. I don't really believe in most of ecological doomsday scenarios but it seems obvious that a world with two and a half billion people like we had when I was a kid is more stable than one with seven and a half billion.

    Second most people make no contribution to the betterment of humanity. I like to say that you need an IQ of 130 to do anything important. We can argue about the exact score but whatever it is , it is going up every year.

    No serious education reforms have worked. The Africans, Maoris and Aborigines are not catching up.

    The Africans are having a population explosion.

    None of those propositions is in serious doubt by serious people.

    The basic situation of a human being is that you are born and you die. We have chosen to greatly decrease the rate at which people die. Formerly the natural processes caused lots of death. If we have artificially decreased death we will sooner or later have to supplement that process with deaths of our own devising.

    I don't like that conclusion but I can't see a way out of our predicament. Man has taken responsibility for more and more formerly uncontrolled processes. If the population - particularly the low talent left side of the distribution population - doesn't somehow get itself under control. There will arise those to address the problem.

    This is the kind of comment that takes iSteve from the realm of the Intellectual Dark Web to the realm of the P J Chang’s shun list and SPLC Nazi database.

    Maybe the “at whim” filter should be beefed up a bit.

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    This anonymous commenter has advised Steve to censor me based on a whim. If Steve does that I will still probably read this blog.

    The commenter is disturbed because I made four factual assertions.

    1. The world is over populated. There're several ways to look at it. This country, and many European and Middle Eastern nations are now building walls to keep out migrants. By 1950 we had had enough people to produce an Einstein, a Mozart and an Washington. We had enough people to create and maintain a civilization with one third of the people we now have. If we want as a species to endure for another hundred thousand years or more, I think it would be wise to have a smaller population. Today is just about the period described in the movie 'Soylent Green'.

    2. I said that it took an IQ of about 130 to make a significant contribution. Maybe you think people of more modest intellect can contribute? My estimate is informed by Charles Murray's study of human accomplishment. But whatever level you choose it seems clear that it is moving up.

    3. I said educational reforms have been disappointing. When I was an undergraduate studying economic development, every student and faculty member assumed that the Third World would soon join the First World in all the measures of civilization. That actually did happen with South Korea but it very definitely did not happen in Africa. In the sixties everyone I knew assumed that our blacks would soon grow rich like all the rest of us. But that too never happened.

    4. I said that there was an African population explosion. Europeans underwent a 'Demographic Transformation' - as they got richer they became less fertile. This is a form of negative feedback. But Africans didn't. They seem to be experiencing positive feedback - more people leads to yet more people. If this continues we get a lemming like scenario - an explosion followed by a crash.

    No one so far has argued with any of these four statements. If Steve wants to ban my comments - as he has every right to do so - he might consider that I got many of the ideas from him.
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  191. Brutusale says:
    @ThreeCranes
    In the games I've watched, half the scores were fluke rebounds off of shots on goals. Something wrong with a game that goes on for 90 minutes and the lone score was the result of an accident.

    They need to get rid of the offside rule in soccer and open the game up to long range bombs and stealth raids.

    On the plus side, soccer is a game you can watch on TV while reading a book or trimming your toenails and not miss too much.

    There are some long-range bombs.

    Don’t follow soccer much and I really don’t know how an aficionado would judge “long-range”, but this kid seems to have the goods.

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    When England thrashed Panama 6-1 yesterday it was not the players that did it, the DM claims it was their wives:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5879903/Rebekah-Vardy-leads-WAGs-cheering-England-team-victory-against-Panama.html
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  192. George says:

    “improve things by boosting discipline.”

    100 Percent Of Seniors At Chicago School Admitted To College For 7th Year In A Row
    These young men at Urban Prep Charter Academy are what black excellence looks like

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/100-percent-of-seniors-at-chicago-school-admitted-to-college-for-7th-year-in-a-row_us_5722273ee4b0b49df6aa5aaa

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    Oh, please. It's quite easy to get accepted to college, particularly if you're a charter school rigging the grades. Urban Prep's ACT scores are below the average for black males, and their state test scores are pretty ordinary. Besides, they have an attrition rate of 30%,

    Any charter that brags about its success rate is cooking the books somewhere. They're either cherrypicking the students or faking the grades.
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  194. Pat Boyle says:
    @DRA
    Some of the typos I notice appear to be caused by software "correcting" something and nobody checking to see whether the result is correct. Perhaps some folks just think if the computer suggests it, it must be correct?

    But yes, there are "mistakes" that don't make sense, and it seems that software could be designed to check over a few paragraphs back to check the logic and alert someone that what they are saying is illogical.

    The one that really bothers me is when the text says "can" and it is evident that the person originating the content said "can't". I noticed it most in a San Antonio, TX, newspaper when I lived there about 20 years ago. Some folks there almost pronounce "can't" with a silent "t", and even in conversation the only way to tell which is meant is from context.

    Maybe Bill Gates would have more success solving this problem than solving the educational issues. Think what a boon it would be if newspapers made sense, at least logically, if not always factually.

    I suspect that there will be more and more of the kind of thing I suggested. First because Moore’s Law still obtains. desktop machines continue to grow more powerful. There are opportunities fo services that the machine can do for the human while it patiently waits.

    The used to be a program you could have running in the background that would detect from the pattern of errors that your cat had walked across the keyboard. With a smart enough software package it should consider and correct for the keys stepped on takins into account the direction of the walk and the size of the cat.

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  195. The Rocket Scientists on here who think the black students are the bad ones and the white students are the good ones have obviously never set foot in a classroom.

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    This must set a new record for delusional Unz comments
    , @artichoke
    Does teaching in them, as well as many years as a student, count? In the old days of less vibrant diversity, my engineering school had very very few black students. I had the bad fortune to be on a project team with one of them, one of my few encounters with a black fellow student on campus during my degree program. And this guy was terrible, useless and also entitled. He knew he could get the others, white and Asian, to do all the work, and he had no shame about it.

    Not to say all blacks are like that. Most (unlike this guy) are fine enough people. But you wanted my experience, and from my time as a student in competitive universities, the blacks were the worst students I was in school with, consistently.
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  196. Jefferson says:
    @Anthony Wayne
    O/T A spectacular gem from Matt Yglesias

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1010583650042306560

    Does Matthew Yglesias think Whites are the reason The Deep South has a high murder rate? Does he think Deep South cities like Birmingham, Little Rock, Memphis, New Orleans, etc are North Dakota level White?

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  197. jim jones says:
    @Brutusale
    There are some long-range bombs.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4fu-Ur_aYM&t=105s

    Don't follow soccer much and I really don't know how an aficionado would judge "long-range", but this kid seems to have the goods.

    When England thrashed Panama 6-1 yesterday it was not the players that did it, the DM claims it was their wives:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5879903/Rebekah-Vardy-leads-WAGs-cheering-England-team-victory-against-Panama.html

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  198. Jefferson says:
    @Anthony Wayne
    O/T A spectacular gem from Matt Yglesias

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1010583650042306560

    Does Matthew Yglesias think Whites are the reason The Deep South has a high murder rate? Does he think Deep South cities like Birmingham, Little Rock, Memphis, New Orleans, etc are North Dakota level White?

    Non Southerners on The Left who never step foot in Birmingham for example assume because Lynyrd Skynyrd says “in Birmingham they love the governor” in Sweet Home Alabama that it must be in Social Justice Warrior language an”unbearably White” Redneck city where a Black person will constantly be stared at because there are so few of them there.

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    What Matt is doing is saying that immigrants do not have higher crime rates because the SW, which has many Latinos, has a lower crime rate than the Deep South. He is of course ignoring the elephant in the room which is that the Deep South has more people of that race which mugged him a few years ago. The reason he can do this is that none of his friends, relatives, and colleagues can see the elephant either so he puts this post up assuming no one else can see the pachyderm either, or that anyone who can see it is slated for extinction anyway, so it doesn’t matter what they know.
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  199. @eah
    Was she wrong to marry Gates, previously aka 'the richest man in the world'? -- asking for a female friend.

    She was lucky that her mother-in-law died of cancer. Mama Gates wanted to see her son get hitched before she croaked. Melinda was the best potential spouse Bill could find on such short notice.

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  200. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpS2JJYfbZ8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDfGFe7TY24

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGpHEPAHQ3E

    Maybe we need this here.

    We have them, most people can’t afford them.

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  201. @Anonymous
    Some whites dump their lives into the great mission of saving Africa. From itself, of course.

    Other whites don't go to Africa but try the same project in their own country with whatever blacks happen to be available.

    But neither Africa nor Africans need saving. And Nature's God makes it perfectly clear that it's not whites' job to "lift up" black people.

    But as long as there are status points to be won then whites will continue on this bizarre mission. The status gaming means when mission fail occurs it's not true failure for the missionary: heroic attempts win kudos and acclaim. So this sick machinery will keep on keeping on.

    But neither Africa nor Africans need saving. And Nature’s God makes it perfectly clear that it’s not whites’ job to “lift up” black people.

    The [Some] White Man’s Burden.

    When Frederick Douglass was asked, “What should we do with the freed slaves?”, he answered, “Nothing. You’ve done enough with us already.”

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  202. @Travis
    which may well explain why the teachers at the exclusive private schools in my area earn about half what they earn at the Public Schools here...my town has 4 private schools, tuition is between 40,000 and 50,000 per year at these schools and the average teacher earns just $42,000 at these schools while the public school teachers here earn an average salary of $78,500.

    if teachers and schools make no difference and have no effect on student outcome why are so many upper middle class Americans wasting so much money to get their kids into good schools and wasting so much money on sending their kids to private schools ?

    So their kids don’t have to deal with future violent felons at school.

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  203. @jim jones
    I believe he still posts on the Steve Hsu blog. Anyways here is a video of Japanese kids cleaning their own classroom - no janitor required for these little dynamos:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLo0phnh-kA

    The Japanese have a thing with cleanliness. Plus, they wisely think that if you made the mess, it’s your responsibility to clean it up. Hard to disagree with that.

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  204. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @a reader

    She wisely chose South Africa.
     
    Right, hardly any glitches over there.

    The dorm matron accused of sexual abuse was acquitted. Several girls had lied to destroy the woman’s life. Some people are just evil. What could Oprah do but support the girls? Who wouldn’t believe them? The school has operated over 10 years.

    A few months after that, the dorm matron was acquitted of all charges, the Guardian wrote. A judge had found the girls’ accusations self-contradictory and not credible.

    The matron told reporters that her life had been ruined. She was broke, unemployed and said she didn’t know if she could ever forgive Winfrey, who continued to stand by the girls’ accusations.

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  205. Alfa158 says:
    @Jefferson
    Does Matthew Yglesias think Whites are the reason The Deep South has a high murder rate? Does he think Deep South cities like Birmingham, Little Rock, Memphis, New Orleans, etc are North Dakota level White?

    Non Southerners on The Left who never step foot in Birmingham for example assume because Lynyrd Skynyrd says "in Birmingham they love the governor" in Sweet Home Alabama that it must be in Social Justice Warrior language an"unbearably White" Redneck city where a Black person will constantly be stared at because there are so few of them there.

    What Matt is doing is saying that immigrants do not have higher crime rates because the SW, which has many Latinos, has a lower crime rate than the Deep South. He is of course ignoring the elephant in the room which is that the Deep South has more people of that race which mugged him a few years ago. The reason he can do this is that none of his friends, relatives, and colleagues can see the elephant either so he puts this post up assuming no one else can see the pachyderm either, or that anyone who can see it is slated for extinction anyway, so it doesn’t matter what they know.

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    The Deep South is so Black that even the rural areas are not super White. Rural areas in The Deep South can range from 20% Black to even majority Black.

    That's what separates rural areas in The Deep South compared to rural areas in the rest of the nation where Blacks are usually 1% or less of the population.

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  206. @Pat Boyle
    I hate to make intemperate statements or discordant comments but the answer is looming before us. We are going to have to kill them.

    Let's establish some agreed upon facts. First the Earth is right now overpopulated. By my reckoning we have five billion too many people. I don't really believe in most of ecological doomsday scenarios but it seems obvious that a world with two and a half billion people like we had when I was a kid is more stable than one with seven and a half billion.

    Second most people make no contribution to the betterment of humanity. I like to say that you need an IQ of 130 to do anything important. We can argue about the exact score but whatever it is , it is going up every year.

    No serious education reforms have worked. The Africans, Maoris and Aborigines are not catching up.

    The Africans are having a population explosion.

    None of those propositions is in serious doubt by serious people.

    The basic situation of a human being is that you are born and you die. We have chosen to greatly decrease the rate at which people die. Formerly the natural processes caused lots of death. If we have artificially decreased death we will sooner or later have to supplement that process with deaths of our own devising.

    I don't like that conclusion but I can't see a way out of our predicament. Man has taken responsibility for more and more formerly uncontrolled processes. If the population - particularly the low talent left side of the distribution population - doesn't somehow get itself under control. There will arise those to address the problem.

    I hate to make intemperate statements or discordant comments but the answer is looming before us. We are going to have to kill them.

    No. Not at all.

    Two buckets:

    1) International
    If you look at fertility internationally:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate

    TFR is below replacement on over half the (land) area of the world, and at or approaching it in 3/4. There are a few random outliers, the Catholic Phillipines and a few more backward Muslim nations, but the big outlier is black Africa.

    The only thing forcing up population growth in the West is that we have allowed–insanely–immigration–worse immigration of higher fertility and more backward peoples–even as we’ve controlled our own fertility. Stop that, deport the invaders, and *contain* the problem and the problem is solved.

    Africa’s population will soar and the four horsemen will ride, but it need not affect the rest of us. (We can preserve the wildlife in similar environments elsewhere.)

    So for the international problem–containment solves the problem.

    2) Domestic.
    The domestic problem is twofold. The birthcontrol pill, feminism/female-careerism has dropped smart/competent women’s (and hence smart men’s) fertility while the welfare state has stopped the natural suppression of the fertility of the stupid/lazy/shiftless. There’s also the issue of the build up of mutational load.

    A very simple proposition: “If you are too incompetent to support yourself and require other people (taxpayer provided welfare) to support you then in return we require you have no (no more) children” is probably sufficient alone to turn around the disgenic trends. Do the same for medical interventions. Add increased screening for genetic mutations. Do some eugenic propaganda to create a target of “three” instead of “two” for smart women who have their act together–married, healthy, adequate financial resources–then you are certainly there.

    So for the domestic problem–eugenic welfare policy, genetic technology, eugenic cultural vibe and the problem is solved.

    ~~
    In short, this problem is not at all difficult to solve and solve even with the context of a liberal democratic order with individual rights.

    No the problem is entirely that we’ve been buried by the leftist/Jewish–and now establishment–anti-biological, anti-hereditarian, equalist, “nurture” nonsense. Where “eugenics” == “the Holocaust”, where there are no “meaningful” racial differences, where everyone is equal–or would be but for “access to resources” and “oppression”.

    Get rid of this anti-scientific nonsense and return to simply common sense understandings of human nature and human differences and all these problems are tractable.

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    I was asked by another commenter to respond to your posting. My first impression is that you agree with me. I'll explain.

    I agree that the population problem is largely African. I suggested to everyone's horror that if we didn't do something quick we would have to kill a lot of them. You say it's not a problem and suggest we just ignore it and let the four horsemen gallop. That of course is genocide.

    I'm more tender hearted, that solution bothers me. You however seem to gloss over the difficulties of consigning billions to an ugly death. I often see on some extreme blogs white guys arguing for killing all the blacks and others arguing for simply "sending them back to Africa". These are essentially the same position. If you were to drop modern day African-Americans in Liberia or some such place - they would probably all die and not quickly or pleasantly. You glibly envision a truly terrible extermination scenario for Africans.
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  207. @Anon
    I'm not going to be impressed until Gates blows his entire fortune pounding his SJW head against the wall of black stupidity. Hey, Billy-Boy, just give all your money to blacks and tell them to set it on fire while uttering voodoo chants to magically raise their IQs. The Gates Foundation works about as well.

    We need to come up with some anthropological term for someone who throws dollars at something and then expects magic to happen. It really is a type of witchcraft-level magical thinking.

    Gates is a good example of why Asperger's disorder is bad. You can be a genius and still be dumb as heck if you have Asperger's.

    Gates is a good example of why Asperger’s disorder is bad. You can be a genius and still be dumb as heck if you have Asperger’s.

    If you think Bill Gates is some equalist loon who thinks that selection/evolution has been identical everywhere and that the various races have the same average genotypic IQs, then you are very confused about who he is.

    Gates wants more effective schooling to help make people as smart as they are capable of being. Gates wants to stay socially respectable. Gates is very careful never to let his thoughts about IQ wander into territory that would get him Watsoned. All true. But all that is not the same as being clueless.

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  208. Jefferson says:
    @Alfa158
    What Matt is doing is saying that immigrants do not have higher crime rates because the SW, which has many Latinos, has a lower crime rate than the Deep South. He is of course ignoring the elephant in the room which is that the Deep South has more people of that race which mugged him a few years ago. The reason he can do this is that none of his friends, relatives, and colleagues can see the elephant either so he puts this post up assuming no one else can see the pachyderm either, or that anyone who can see it is slated for extinction anyway, so it doesn’t matter what they know.

    The Deep South is so Black that even the rural areas are not super White. Rural areas in The Deep South can range from 20% Black to even majority Black.

    That’s what separates rural areas in The Deep South compared to rural areas in the rest of the nation where Blacks are usually 1% or less of the population.

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  209. @Anon
    "Has Gates read The Blank Slate?"

    Have you? ;-)

    Pinker's book makes the case that the blank slate theory is false, not true, so someone who had read the book and bought into its ideas would not believe that school reform would have any lasting consequences.

    The problem for a guy like Gates is that he has to act through other people. Anyone he could hire is going to be pre-koolade-ed. School districts you try to work with will be staffed with kooladed administrators, many of them black, since you don't need to pass cognitively demanding praxis tests to be an administrator, so it's a good place to diversify the staff.

    The same with corporations. Do you want a more rational HR department? Who can you hire? Anyone "qualified" is an SJW. Do you tell your board or VCs that you want to spend 20 percent of your time on developing independent HR people rather than on core product stuff. Even if you did, outside counsel would be full SJW and tell your HR people the are legally required to do this and that.

    “many of them black, since you don’t need to pass cognitively demanding praxis tests to be an administrator,”

    You do have to pass a cognitively demanding praxis test to be a teacher, and outside of charters, the administrator population were all teachers first.

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  210. @George
    "improve things by boosting discipline."

    100 Percent Of Seniors At Chicago School Admitted To College For 7th Year In A Row
    These young men at Urban Prep Charter Academy are what black excellence looks like

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/100-percent-of-seniors-at-chicago-school-admitted-to-college-for-7th-year-in-a-row_us_5722273ee4b0b49df6aa5aaa

    Oh, please. It’s quite easy to get accepted to college, particularly if you’re a charter school rigging the grades. Urban Prep’s ACT scores are below the average for black males, and their state test scores are pretty ordinary. Besides, they have an attrition rate of 30%,

    Any charter that brags about its success rate is cooking the books somewhere. They’re either cherrypicking the students or faking the grades.

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  211. Pat Boyle says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    I like to say that you need an IQ of 130 to do anything important. We can argue about the exact score but whatever it is , it is going up every year.
     
    What is your IQ Pat?

    Not quite sure what my IQ is. I did well on standardized tests in school and I was often the best student in a wide variety of subjects in college – except languages. I went through grad school on a full academic scholarship and won a couple competitive fellowships. So I’m reasonably smart. However I’m nowhere near as smart as several commenters on this blog or Steve himself.

    I took the Stanford-Binet test once as a favor to a psych grad student who needed to practice. As I remember he said about 145. I don’t remember my SATs or the math part of my GRE but I do remember getting a perfect 800 on the verbal part. Chuck Schumer got 800s on both parts but of course he took it more than twenty times. I took it once.

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    Very good Pat. Now imagine that everyone is at your level (or close to it, or above it). How will you get anything done? Good ideas have to be implemented. Will you recruit those with higher IQs to implement them? Will you recruit your equals? What about their ideas? Maybe they will want you to be a worker bee? And if they do, what will you offer as justification for what you want to do?
    , @Mr. Rational

    I do remember getting a perfect 800 on the verbal part.
     
    Funny, I got 800 on the SAT math.  I was in my 4th semester of calculus at the time and a test that topped out in algebra was so easy I whipped through it, checked all my answers, and still had about half the test period left.  So instead of second-guessing myself I turned in my answer sheet and took my leave.

    To think that there are people who want to forbid people like me from getting ahead in subjects they do well in, in the name of "equality"... evil.  Pure evil.
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  212. Pat Boyle says:
    @Anan
    This is brilliant. I ended up taking integral and differential calculus at least three times each in high school and college, with A's, but it didn't click at the Eureka level until the last time. Before then I could do the problems, but I couldn't imagine how anyone could have thought it up. The last time I had the experience of thinking, This is obvious, this is how Leibnitz andNew came up with this stuff!

    There very definitely is a ‘Eureka’ moment. I was teaching stat (business stat) once and I was explaining the Neyman-Pierson Lemma when suddenly a girl in the front row got it. Her eyes lit up. I had said much the same to hundreds of students before, I don’t think many (any?) of the others got it.

    There’s a big difference between being able to do ‘cook book’ stat by rote and understanding the math concepts.

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  213. Pat Boyle says:
    @Anonymous

    The basic situation of a human being is that you are born and you die. We have chosen to greatly decrease the rate at which people die. Formerly the natural processes caused lots of death. If we have artificially decreased death we will sooner or later have to supplement that process with deaths of our own devising.

    I don’t like that conclusion but I can’t see a way out of our predicament. Man has taken responsibility for more and more formerly uncontrolled processes. If the population – particularly the low talent left side of the distribution population – doesn’t somehow get itself under control. There will arise those to address the problem.
     
    I don't support mass murder but the fact is if the situation gets bad enough, someone else is likely to.

    Exactly right. Steve published a couple postings on the African population explosion. I took him to mean that we had a big problem looming – not that he advocated genocide.

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  214. Pat Boyle says:
    @Anon
    This is the kind of comment that takes iSteve from the realm of the Intellectual Dark Web to the realm of the P J Chang's shun list and SPLC Nazi database.

    Maybe the "at whim" filter should be beefed up a bit.

    This anonymous commenter has advised Steve to censor me based on a whim. If Steve does that I will still probably read this blog.

    The commenter is disturbed because I made four factual assertions.

    1. The world is over populated. There’re several ways to look at it. This country, and many European and Middle Eastern nations are now building walls to keep out migrants. By 1950 we had had enough people to produce an Einstein, a Mozart and an Washington. We had enough people to create and maintain a civilization with one third of the people we now have. If we want as a species to endure for another hundred thousand years or more, I think it would be wise to have a smaller population. Today is just about the period described in the movie ‘Soylent Green’.

    2. I said that it took an IQ of about 130 to make a significant contribution. Maybe you think people of more modest intellect can contribute? My estimate is informed by Charles Murray’s study of human accomplishment. But whatever level you choose it seems clear that it is moving up.

    3. I said educational reforms have been disappointing. When I was an undergraduate studying economic development, every student and faculty member assumed that the Third World would soon join the First World in all the measures of civilization. That actually did happen with South Korea but it very definitely did not happen in Africa. In the sixties everyone I knew assumed that our blacks would soon grow rich like all the rest of us. But that too never happened.

    4. I said that there was an African population explosion. Europeans underwent a ‘Demographic Transformation’ – as they got richer they became less fertile. This is a form of negative feedback. But Africans didn’t. They seem to be experiencing positive feedback – more people leads to yet more people. If this continues we get a lemming like scenario – an explosion followed by a crash.

    No one so far has argued with any of these four statements. If Steve wants to ban my comments – as he has every right to do so – he might consider that I got many of the ideas from him.

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    Many good points, but we didn't produce Einstein (Switzerland did; we just got his "golden years" when he came west to get away from Hitler) nor Mozart (that was also a German speaking area in Europe.) We did produce almost all the significant inventions after 1950 though.
    , @Mr. Rational
    The term is "demographic transition", I believe.
    , @Anonymous
    A society with very few people below 92-95 IQ and a reasonable small minority of 130-up people can do just fine with 110-130 IQ people having decent lives and being productive. There will always be jobs for 95-110 IQ people in reasonable physical shape that aren't expecting or getting a government handout.

    130-up IQ people are not going to drive trucks, do electronic assembly, or work customer service rep jobs very long without getting bored and quitting or getting into trouble. Few will do drywall, roofing, work a railroad track gang, or assemble cars on a production line either.
    , @Dissident

    The commenter is disturbed because I made four factual assertions.
     
    I am not the commenter you were replying-to but I nonetheless was (and remain) rather disturbed by the post of yours in-question. Not necessarily by any of the "factual assertions", in and of themselves, that you enumerated but by the statement that you preceded them with:

    We are going to have to kill them.
     
    You omitted any mention or acknowledgment of that statement in this reply of yours. Rather conveniently, it would seem.

    I note that after reading what I believe were all of the relevant posts of yours in-question in this thread, it is still not quite clear to me just who the "we" you refer to is nor just who the "them" is that "we" "are going to have to kill".

    By "them", you were obviously referring-to inhabitants of the third-world but just which ones and how many of them? These questions are hardly answered by your naming of "The Africans, Maoris and Aborigines", unless you meant to include all who fall into any of those three vastly broad categories.

    As for "we", do you mean the entire West? The United States of America? Whites everywhere? This is not clear.

    Oddly, the post of yours in-question, the one in which you apparently endorsed some form of genocide as being inevitable, was posted as a reply to a comment that seemed-to limit itself to the topic of public education in the United States.

    Also left unclear to me is exactly why you believe that "we" must kill "them". Yes, you mention overpopulation in Africa. But if you ever explained just why that would necessitate that "we" must kill some number of surplus Africans (or is it "Africans, Maoris and Aborigines"? Or is it some number of all third-worlders?), I missed it. If the goal is merely to ensure our survival and preserve our (whoever "our" is) lands and way-of-life, why wouldn't merely severely restricting immigration be sufficient?

    Or why efforts to promote contraception, sterilization or perhaps some combination of both would not be sufficient to check third-world overpopulation.

    It would be nice to see you respond to the specific challenges made to your assertions by Another Dad in comment #206, Kratoklastes in comment #176, and Anonymous[506] in comment #238.

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  215. DFH says:
    @obwandiyag
    The Rocket Scientists on here who think the black students are the bad ones and the white students are the good ones have obviously never set foot in a classroom.

    This must set a new record for delusional Unz comments

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  216. dcite says:
    @Robert Weissberg
    Thanks for the plug. Here in NYC there's a big experiment to move kids (mainly blacks and Hispanics) from "under-performing schools" to better schools where they can learn by osmosis from smart whites and Asians. Denial never stops.

    Experiment means something new. They’ve been trying that disruptive voodoo for 60 years. It never works. Isn’t that the definition of insanity?

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  217. @Pat Boyle
    Not quite sure what my IQ is. I did well on standardized tests in school and I was often the best student in a wide variety of subjects in college - except languages. I went through grad school on a full academic scholarship and won a couple competitive fellowships. So I'm reasonably smart. However I'm nowhere near as smart as several commenters on this blog or Steve himself.

    I took the Stanford-Binet test once as a favor to a psych grad student who needed to practice. As I remember he said about 145. I don't remember my SATs or the math part of my GRE but I do remember getting a perfect 800 on the verbal part. Chuck Schumer got 800s on both parts but of course he took it more than twenty times. I took it once.

    Very good Pat. Now imagine that everyone is at your level (or close to it, or above it). How will you get anything done? Good ideas have to be implemented. Will you recruit those with higher IQs to implement them? Will you recruit your equals? What about their ideas? Maybe they will want you to be a worker bee? And if they do, what will you offer as justification for what you want to do?

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    145, or 150 or 160, is not too high to do implementation. Most of any creative work is routine crap. "Genius is 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration." You can vary the percentages, but the first number is never more than 20% and sometimes 1% is cited.
    , @Pat Boyle
    I think you are just plain wrong. Smart people like to work and do things for themselves. A world with high IQ baristas at the local Starbucks sounds pretty good to me.

    It remains to be seen if IQ is easy to raise. There are a lot of alleles that have just a tiny influence on intelligence so increasing any one or two, only has a small overall effect. Perhaps if there were a number of SNPs which could all be effected as a group that might work. We'll know soon.

    But that doesn't really mean much for the social problem of overpopulation. The groups that are increasing madly as per Steve's graph are not the one or two percent who are intelligent. The problem is we are in danger of being swamped by unlettered peasants from places where no one is very smart.
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  218. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/NatGeo/status/1009838599800524800

    https://twitter.com/NatGeo/statuses/1009926437586067456

    Which one is Koko?

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    Which one is Koko indeed. Species is a social construct.
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  219. artichoke says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    How about really long schools days?

    In many East Asian nations, children attend school from early in the morning through mid afternoon. Then they go to cram school for another few hours. They do this about 6 days per week. During the summer, they go to cram school.

    I wonder how well this approach would work in the United States.

    I am against this because it would cost even more than we currently spend on schools. It might produce a tiny improvement in performance of the capable students, and it might keep some kids off the streets and out of some trouble, but youth benefit from freedom too.

    Diversity is our weakness. We have some groups that are hard to educate. If we compare our white and Asian performance against anyone in the world, we’re doing just fine.

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  220. artichoke says:
    @Pat Boyle
    This anonymous commenter has advised Steve to censor me based on a whim. If Steve does that I will still probably read this blog.

    The commenter is disturbed because I made four factual assertions.

    1. The world is over populated. There're several ways to look at it. This country, and many European and Middle Eastern nations are now building walls to keep out migrants. By 1950 we had had enough people to produce an Einstein, a Mozart and an Washington. We had enough people to create and maintain a civilization with one third of the people we now have. If we want as a species to endure for another hundred thousand years or more, I think it would be wise to have a smaller population. Today is just about the period described in the movie 'Soylent Green'.

    2. I said that it took an IQ of about 130 to make a significant contribution. Maybe you think people of more modest intellect can contribute? My estimate is informed by Charles Murray's study of human accomplishment. But whatever level you choose it seems clear that it is moving up.

    3. I said educational reforms have been disappointing. When I was an undergraduate studying economic development, every student and faculty member assumed that the Third World would soon join the First World in all the measures of civilization. That actually did happen with South Korea but it very definitely did not happen in Africa. In the sixties everyone I knew assumed that our blacks would soon grow rich like all the rest of us. But that too never happened.

    4. I said that there was an African population explosion. Europeans underwent a 'Demographic Transformation' - as they got richer they became less fertile. This is a form of negative feedback. But Africans didn't. They seem to be experiencing positive feedback - more people leads to yet more people. If this continues we get a lemming like scenario - an explosion followed by a crash.

    No one so far has argued with any of these four statements. If Steve wants to ban my comments - as he has every right to do so - he might consider that I got many of the ideas from him.

    Many good points, but we didn’t produce Einstein (Switzerland did; we just got his “golden years” when he came west to get away from Hitler) nor Mozart (that was also a German speaking area in Europe.) We did produce almost all the significant inventions after 1950 though.

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  221. artichoke says:
    @obwandiyag
    The Rocket Scientists on here who think the black students are the bad ones and the white students are the good ones have obviously never set foot in a classroom.

    Does teaching in them, as well as many years as a student, count? In the old days of less vibrant diversity, my engineering school had very very few black students. I had the bad fortune to be on a project team with one of them, one of my few encounters with a black fellow student on campus during my degree program. And this guy was terrible, useless and also entitled. He knew he could get the others, white and Asian, to do all the work, and he had no shame about it.

    Not to say all blacks are like that. Most (unlike this guy) are fine enough people. But you wanted my experience, and from my time as a student in competitive universities, the blacks were the worst students I was in school with, consistently.

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  222. artichoke says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Very good Pat. Now imagine that everyone is at your level (or close to it, or above it). How will you get anything done? Good ideas have to be implemented. Will you recruit those with higher IQs to implement them? Will you recruit your equals? What about their ideas? Maybe they will want you to be a worker bee? And if they do, what will you offer as justification for what you want to do?

    145, or 150 or 160, is not too high to do implementation. Most of any creative work is routine crap. “Genius is 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration.” You can vary the percentages, but the first number is never more than 20% and sometimes 1% is cited.

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  223. @Pat Boyle
    Not quite sure what my IQ is. I did well on standardized tests in school and I was often the best student in a wide variety of subjects in college - except languages. I went through grad school on a full academic scholarship and won a couple competitive fellowships. So I'm reasonably smart. However I'm nowhere near as smart as several commenters on this blog or Steve himself.

    I took the Stanford-Binet test once as a favor to a psych grad student who needed to practice. As I remember he said about 145. I don't remember my SATs or the math part of my GRE but I do remember getting a perfect 800 on the verbal part. Chuck Schumer got 800s on both parts but of course he took it more than twenty times. I took it once.

    I do remember getting a perfect 800 on the verbal part.

    Funny, I got 800 on the SAT math.  I was in my 4th semester of calculus at the time and a test that topped out in algebra was so easy I whipped through it, checked all my answers, and still had about half the test period left.  So instead of second-guessing myself I turned in my answer sheet and took my leave.

    To think that there are people who want to forbid people like me from getting ahead in subjects they do well in, in the name of “equality”… evil.  Pure evil.

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    800 in math - my compliments.
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  224. @Pat Boyle
    This anonymous commenter has advised Steve to censor me based on a whim. If Steve does that I will still probably read this blog.

    The commenter is disturbed because I made four factual assertions.

    1. The world is over populated. There're several ways to look at it. This country, and many European and Middle Eastern nations are now building walls to keep out migrants. By 1950 we had had enough people to produce an Einstein, a Mozart and an Washington. We had enough people to create and maintain a civilization with one third of the people we now have. If we want as a species to endure for another hundred thousand years or more, I think it would be wise to have a smaller population. Today is just about the period described in the movie 'Soylent Green'.

    2. I said that it took an IQ of about 130 to make a significant contribution. Maybe you think people of more modest intellect can contribute? My estimate is informed by Charles Murray's study of human accomplishment. But whatever level you choose it seems clear that it is moving up.

    3. I said educational reforms have been disappointing. When I was an undergraduate studying economic development, every student and faculty member assumed that the Third World would soon join the First World in all the measures of civilization. That actually did happen with South Korea but it very definitely did not happen in Africa. In the sixties everyone I knew assumed that our blacks would soon grow rich like all the rest of us. But that too never happened.

    4. I said that there was an African population explosion. Europeans underwent a 'Demographic Transformation' - as they got richer they became less fertile. This is a form of negative feedback. But Africans didn't. They seem to be experiencing positive feedback - more people leads to yet more people. If this continues we get a lemming like scenario - an explosion followed by a crash.

    No one so far has argued with any of these four statements. If Steve wants to ban my comments - as he has every right to do so - he might consider that I got many of the ideas from him.

    The term is “demographic transition”, I believe.

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    I stand corrected.
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  225. res says:
    @RH
    It's a shame Mr. Gates did not consult me about what makes a successful student. I could have told him and saved him millions and a lot of wasted time. The secret lies in having a home where love of and respect for learning are encouraged, especially by example. Among teachers (like myself), this knowledge is commonplace, yet these high-powered researchers never seem to think that asking teachers what makes for success in school is something that makes obvious sense. Bizarre.

    The secret lies in having a home where love of and respect for learning are encouraged, especially by example.

    Serious question, how much of that do you attribute to the nurturing environment and how much to the shared genes? I wonder what the result would be of diametrically opposite parents (in that regard) switching kids at birth and raising them to maturity.

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  226. @3g4me
    @ 10 JohnnyWalker123: "Maybe we need this here."

    What's with the "we" that you and other Subcontinental commenters utilize? There is no "we" in an HBD-aware America that includes you.

    When I used the phrase “we,” I actually wasn’t referring to you. Judging by the content of your various postings, your schooling process seems to have generated a remarkably low ROI. So I don’t envision cram school being the best investment for an individual of your caliber. However, there is some very good quality “special” schooling that’s more adapted to an individual with your, umm, “needs.”

    My apologies if I created any sort of confusion. You can now return to what you were doing before……. Just make sure not to bang your head against the keyboard too hard.

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  227. Dissident says:
    @Whiskey
    Melinda Gates like Zuck's wife no doubt loathes her husband's very presence and deeply regrets her decision. Hence the typical beta male appeasement of both men to spouses who clearly despise their big shot but nerdy husbands.

    Both remind me of Japanese Author Sayata Murata. She's the author of "Convenience Store Woman" and who has written of the ideal marriage consisting of a husband as a house pet or sexless companion and redefining marriage as sex between husband and wives being akin to incest. With conception being artificial insemination by random strange men.

    Thus the tragedy of modern life. Women want, viscerally, the most violent, scary, dangerous, fear inducing Conan the Barbarian figure they can get. A man who might rise to the very top on a pile of bodies, and have her kids be rulers of everything. But for a society be wealthy and prosperous that Conan the Barbarian impulse has to be dialed down to Bill Gates levels. If Melinda Gates were married to Ramzan Kadryov, the ideal man of most women, she'd be singing the praises constantly of how awesome he was and scheming on how to expand their empire.

    This begs of course the question -- how will all the vibrant vibrancy people be paid for when America is say, 40% White? With Open Borders and Vibrant levels of fertility among Vibrants? Where is all the money going to come from. I think it would be excelling to start pushing for that money to come from Bill Gates at a start. Why not a campaign to "liberate" Bill Gates money from his family and use it house all the Immigrants in America?

    Surely Melinda Gates can live in a homeless shelter if it means all her families money goes to house Immigrants!

    Since this the topic is education…

    This begs of course the question — how will all the vibrant vibrancy people be paid for when America is say, 40% White?

    I think you meant raises the question, not begs.

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  228. @anon
    He coulda owned a sports franchise. The Mariners coulda been the Yankees. Or fixed African population explosion. Oh well.

    The Mariners have been owned by Nintendo for a majority of their history.

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  229. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @BenKenobi
    While we're on the subject of Asian Ubermenschen I'd like to ask whatever happened to uh, Yan Shen? It's like he disappeared in a puff of logic.

    Just another Yellow Peril that turned out to be much ado about nuffin' I suppose.

    whatever happened to uh, Yan Shen?

    Yan Shen is in an institution undergoing, uh, speech therapy.

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  230. Anon[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterike
    “The US government should immediately increase caps for Desi H-1b workers, as there are insufficient talents in US labor market, and ensure a quick path to permanent residence/citizenship, if it wants to stay competitive AND relevant in the world.”

    Lol! Drop dead, parasite.

    “Lol! Drop dead, parasite.”

    Classy!

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  231. Anon[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paul Jolliffe
    Exactly right.

    Also, very few people can stomach the thought of what a true educational meritocracy might look like. (And Steve's ancient point that lots and lots of white guys - including me, I admit it - just love having the "athletes" play for their school's team. That is incredibly important to those white guys! If the NCAA was to disappear tomorrow, there would be much gnashing of teeth by millions of middle-class white men.)

    (And Steve’s ancient point that lots and lots of white guys – including me, I admit it – just love having the “athletes” play for their school’s team. That is incredibly important to those white guys! If the NCAA was to disappear tomorrow, there would be much gnashing of teeth by millions of middle-class white men.)

    Time to wean yourselves.

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  232. Corvinus says:
    @Pat Boyle
    I hate to make intemperate statements or discordant comments but the answer is looming before us. We are going to have to kill them.

    Let's establish some agreed upon facts. First the Earth is right now overpopulated. By my reckoning we have five billion too many people. I don't really believe in most of ecological doomsday scenarios but it seems obvious that a world with two and a half billion people like we had when I was a kid is more stable than one with seven and a half billion.

    Second most people make no contribution to the betterment of humanity. I like to say that you need an IQ of 130 to do anything important. We can argue about the exact score but whatever it is , it is going up every year.

    No serious education reforms have worked. The Africans, Maoris and Aborigines are not catching up.

    The Africans are having a population explosion.

    None of those propositions is in serious doubt by serious people.

    The basic situation of a human being is that you are born and you die. We have chosen to greatly decrease the rate at which people die. Formerly the natural processes caused lots of death. If we have artificially decreased death we will sooner or later have to supplement that process with deaths of our own devising.

    I don't like that conclusion but I can't see a way out of our predicament. Man has taken responsibility for more and more formerly uncontrolled processes. If the population - particularly the low talent left side of the distribution population - doesn't somehow get itself under control. There will arise those to address the problem.

    “I hate to make intemperate statements or discordant comments but the answer is looming before us. We are going to have to kill them.”

    No, OTHERS are going to have murder people while you, the armchair warrior, sit on the sidelines.

    “I don’t really believe in most of ecological doomsday scenarios but it seems obvious that a world with two and a half billion people like we had when I was a kid is more stable than one with seven and a half billion.”

    Thanks for playing God here.

    “I like to say that you need an IQ of 130 to do anything important.”

    Thanks for playing God here.

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  233. Pat Boyle says:
    @Mr. Rational
    The term is "demographic transition", I believe.

    I stand corrected.

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  234. Pat Boyle says:
    @Mr. Rational

    I do remember getting a perfect 800 on the verbal part.
     
    Funny, I got 800 on the SAT math.  I was in my 4th semester of calculus at the time and a test that topped out in algebra was so easy I whipped through it, checked all my answers, and still had about half the test period left.  So instead of second-guessing myself I turned in my answer sheet and took my leave.

    To think that there are people who want to forbid people like me from getting ahead in subjects they do well in, in the name of "equality"... evil.  Pure evil.

    800 in math – my compliments.

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  235. Pat Boyle says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Very good Pat. Now imagine that everyone is at your level (or close to it, or above it). How will you get anything done? Good ideas have to be implemented. Will you recruit those with higher IQs to implement them? Will you recruit your equals? What about their ideas? Maybe they will want you to be a worker bee? And if they do, what will you offer as justification for what you want to do?

    I think you are just plain wrong. Smart people like to work and do things for themselves. A world with high IQ baristas at the local Starbucks sounds pretty good to me.

    It remains to be seen if IQ is easy to raise. There are a lot of alleles that have just a tiny influence on intelligence so increasing any one or two, only has a small overall effect. Perhaps if there were a number of SNPs which could all be effected as a group that might work. We’ll know soon.

    But that doesn’t really mean much for the social problem of overpopulation. The groups that are increasing madly as per Steve’s graph are not the one or two percent who are intelligent. The problem is we are in danger of being swamped by unlettered peasants from places where no one is very smart.

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  236. MBlanc46 says:
    @Hindoo
    See, I have been telling this for years now.

    The reason that Black/Latino/White brudahs are under-represented at elite universities, such as UCLA, is NOT because of Desi/Oriental/Jew ethno-nepotism but simply because of higher IQs (adjusted for nutrition/primary education etc.), and, a culture of immanent excellence.

    Gates Foundation has finally got rid of PC and admitted to this as it does not want to be wrong side of history.

    Even bona fide White nationalists admit to this fact of nature.

    The US government should immediately increase caps for Desi H-1b workers, as there are insufficient talents in US labor market, and ensure a quick path to permanent residence/citizenship, if it wants to stay competitive AND relevant in the world.

    Our market. Our talents. Back to India with you, Hindoo.

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  237. MBlanc46 says:
    @Tiny Duck
    Nikole Hannah Nones has pointed out that segregation is why Students of Color perform worse than white kid

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e68CoE70Mk8

    Children of Color are disadvantaged due to a system of white privileged and white supremacy

    Fortunately white girls are choosing Boys of Color to sleep with so someday racists will be bred out of existence

    Oh no, Tiny, not so. Blacks are very racist. The more blacks there are the more racism there is.

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  238. Anonymous[506] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Boyle
    This anonymous commenter has advised Steve to censor me based on a whim. If Steve does that I will still probably read this blog.

    The commenter is disturbed because I made four factual assertions.

    1. The world is over populated. There're several ways to look at it. This country, and many European and Middle Eastern nations are now building walls to keep out migrants. By 1950 we had had enough people to produce an Einstein, a Mozart and an Washington. We had enough people to create and maintain a civilization with one third of the people we now have. If we want as a species to endure for another hundred thousand years or more, I think it would be wise to have a smaller population. Today is just about the period described in the movie 'Soylent Green'.

    2. I said that it took an IQ of about 130 to make a significant contribution. Maybe you think people of more modest intellect can contribute? My estimate is informed by Charles Murray's study of human accomplishment. But whatever level you choose it seems clear that it is moving up.

    3. I said educational reforms have been disappointing. When I was an undergraduate studying economic development, every student and faculty member assumed that the Third World would soon join the First World in all the measures of civilization. That actually did happen with South Korea but it very definitely did not happen in Africa. In the sixties everyone I knew assumed that our blacks would soon grow rich like all the rest of us. But that too never happened.

    4. I said that there was an African population explosion. Europeans underwent a 'Demographic Transformation' - as they got richer they became less fertile. This is a form of negative feedback. But Africans didn't. They seem to be experiencing positive feedback - more people leads to yet more people. If this continues we get a lemming like scenario - an explosion followed by a crash.

    No one so far has argued with any of these four statements. If Steve wants to ban my comments - as he has every right to do so - he might consider that I got many of the ideas from him.

    A society with very few people below 92-95 IQ and a reasonable small minority of 130-up people can do just fine with 110-130 IQ people having decent lives and being productive. There will always be jobs for 95-110 IQ people in reasonable physical shape that aren’t expecting or getting a government handout.

    130-up IQ people are not going to drive trucks, do electronic assembly, or work customer service rep jobs very long without getting bored and quitting or getting into trouble. Few will do drywall, roofing, work a railroad track gang, or assemble cars on a production line either.

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    I think your analysis is just about right except for the fact that every smart person I have ever known has done many of those lower level jobs when they were young - including myself. Yes after a year or so they get bored but lots of captains of industry drove truck or worked construction as a kid.
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  239. Dissident says:
    @Pat Boyle
    This anonymous commenter has advised Steve to censor me based on a whim. If Steve does that I will still probably read this blog.

    The commenter is disturbed because I made four factual assertions.

    1. The world is over populated. There're several ways to look at it. This country, and many European and Middle Eastern nations are now building walls to keep out migrants. By 1950 we had had enough people to produce an Einstein, a Mozart and an Washington. We had enough people to create and maintain a civilization with one third of the people we now have. If we want as a species to endure for another hundred thousand years or more, I think it would be wise to have a smaller population. Today is just about the period described in the movie 'Soylent Green'.

    2. I said that it took an IQ of about 130 to make a significant contribution. Maybe you think people of more modest intellect can contribute? My estimate is informed by Charles Murray's study of human accomplishment. But whatever level you choose it seems clear that it is moving up.

    3. I said educational reforms have been disappointing. When I was an undergraduate studying economic development, every student and faculty member assumed that the Third World would soon join the First World in all the measures of civilization. That actually did happen with South Korea but it very definitely did not happen in Africa. In the sixties everyone I knew assumed that our blacks would soon grow rich like all the rest of us. But that too never happened.

    4. I said that there was an African population explosion. Europeans underwent a 'Demographic Transformation' - as they got richer they became less fertile. This is a form of negative feedback. But Africans didn't. They seem to be experiencing positive feedback - more people leads to yet more people. If this continues we get a lemming like scenario - an explosion followed by a crash.

    No one so far has argued with any of these four statements. If Steve wants to ban my comments - as he has every right to do so - he might consider that I got many of the ideas from him.

    The commenter is disturbed because I made four factual assertions.

    I am not the commenter you were replying-to but I nonetheless was (and remain) rather disturbed by the post of yours in-question. Not necessarily by any of the “factual assertions”, in and of themselves, that you enumerated but by the statement that you preceded them with:

    We are going to have to kill them.

    You omitted any mention or acknowledgment of that statement in this reply of yours. Rather conveniently, it would seem.

    I note that after reading what I believe were all of the relevant posts of yours in-question in this thread, it is still not quite clear to me just who the “we” you refer to is nor just who the “them” is that “we” “are going to have to kill”.

    By “them”, you were obviously referring-to inhabitants of the third-world but just which ones and how many of them? These questions are hardly answered by your naming of “The Africans, Maoris and Aborigines”, unless you meant to include all who fall into any of those three vastly broad categories.

    As for “we”, do you mean the entire West? The United States of America? Whites everywhere? This is not clear.

    Oddly, the post of yours in-question, the one in which you apparently endorsed some form of genocide as being inevitable, was posted as a reply to a comment that seemed-to limit itself to the topic of public education in the United States.

    Also left unclear to me is exactly why you believe that “we” must kill “them”. Yes, you mention overpopulation in Africa. But if you ever explained just why that would necessitate that “we” must kill some number of surplus Africans (or is it “Africans, Maoris and Aborigines”? Or is it some number of all third-worlders?), I missed it. If the goal is merely to ensure our survival and preserve our (whoever “our” is) lands and way-of-life, why wouldn’t merely severely restricting immigration be sufficient?

    Or why efforts to promote contraception, sterilization or perhaps some combination of both would not be sufficient to check third-world overpopulation.

    It would be nice to see you respond to the specific challenges made to your assertions by Another Dad in comment #206, Kratoklastes in comment #176, and Anonymous[506] in comment #238.

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    What I meant was that it seems to me that we are drifting into genocide. I don't consider that desirable in any way. America is held together by the idea that we are the good guys. All the Nazis ran west when Berlin fell. There was then and there is now the widespread notion that Americans are nicer than other peoples. I think that's true and I would like to preserve that truth if we can.

    But Germany was once considered one of the most civilized nations in Europe. The stress of Great War and the depression drove them into the arms of the Nazis. The future looks ominous for America. We are going to be tested. We have been an exemplary civilization safe behind two oceans and blest with resources and a good population. If times get tougher can we maintain our good manners?

    iSteve has posted twice about the population explosion of Africans. His graph is a little deceptive. It ends with line high in the air. But that's now how these processes end. They end with a crash. The crash could be natural - the world descends to grinding universal poverty and war and disease brings the population down fast, or the remaining survivors intervene and reduce the population to a more manageable level by eliminating people. Neither is an attractive choice - but those are the only choices. Most people when the options become clear, I think, will prefer some sort of genocide style solution.

    If you don't like those options - speak up. Don't just nag at me because I dare to face the prospect of an unattractive future. I would like to be wrong.
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  240. Pat Boyle says:
    @Anonymous
    A society with very few people below 92-95 IQ and a reasonable small minority of 130-up people can do just fine with 110-130 IQ people having decent lives and being productive. There will always be jobs for 95-110 IQ people in reasonable physical shape that aren't expecting or getting a government handout.

    130-up IQ people are not going to drive trucks, do electronic assembly, or work customer service rep jobs very long without getting bored and quitting or getting into trouble. Few will do drywall, roofing, work a railroad track gang, or assemble cars on a production line either.

    I think your analysis is just about right except for the fact that every smart person I have ever known has done many of those lower level jobs when they were young – including myself. Yes after a year or so they get bored but lots of captains of industry drove truck or worked construction as a kid.

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    Having a physically demanding job as a teenager is good practice for life. We'd have less SJW craziness if these morons had ever done something more strenuous than bang on a keyboard.
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  241. @Pat Boyle
    I think your analysis is just about right except for the fact that every smart person I have ever known has done many of those lower level jobs when they were young - including myself. Yes after a year or so they get bored but lots of captains of industry drove truck or worked construction as a kid.

    Having a physically demanding job as a teenager is good practice for life. We’d have less SJW craziness if these morons had ever done something more strenuous than bang on a keyboard.

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  242. Pat Boyle says:
    @Dissident

    The commenter is disturbed because I made four factual assertions.
     
    I am not the commenter you were replying-to but I nonetheless was (and remain) rather disturbed by the post of yours in-question. Not necessarily by any of the "factual assertions", in and of themselves, that you enumerated but by the statement that you preceded them with:

    We are going to have to kill them.
     
    You omitted any mention or acknowledgment of that statement in this reply of yours. Rather conveniently, it would seem.

    I note that after reading what I believe were all of the relevant posts of yours in-question in this thread, it is still not quite clear to me just who the "we" you refer to is nor just who the "them" is that "we" "are going to have to kill".

    By "them", you were obviously referring-to inhabitants of the third-world but just which ones and how many of them? These questions are hardly answered by your naming of "The Africans, Maoris and Aborigines", unless you meant to include all who fall into any of those three vastly broad categories.

    As for "we", do you mean the entire West? The United States of America? Whites everywhere? This is not clear.

    Oddly, the post of yours in-question, the one in which you apparently endorsed some form of genocide as being inevitable, was posted as a reply to a comment that seemed-to limit itself to the topic of public education in the United States.

    Also left unclear to me is exactly why you believe that "we" must kill "them". Yes, you mention overpopulation in Africa. But if you ever explained just why that would necessitate that "we" must kill some number of surplus Africans (or is it "Africans, Maoris and Aborigines"? Or is it some number of all third-worlders?), I missed it. If the goal is merely to ensure our survival and preserve our (whoever "our" is) lands and way-of-life, why wouldn't merely severely restricting immigration be sufficient?

    Or why efforts to promote contraception, sterilization or perhaps some combination of both would not be sufficient to check third-world overpopulation.

    It would be nice to see you respond to the specific challenges made to your assertions by Another Dad in comment #206, Kratoklastes in comment #176, and Anonymous[506] in comment #238.

    What I meant was that it seems to me that we are drifting into genocide. I don’t consider that desirable in any way. America is held together by the idea that we are the good guys. All the Nazis ran west when Berlin fell. There was then and there is now the widespread notion that Americans are nicer than other peoples. I think that’s true and I would like to preserve that truth if we can.

    But Germany was once considered one of the most civilized nations in Europe. The stress of Great War and the depression drove them into the arms of the Nazis. The future looks ominous for America. We are going to be tested. We have been an exemplary civilization safe behind two oceans and blest with resources and a good population. If times get tougher can we maintain our good manners?

    iSteve has posted twice about the population explosion of Africans. His graph is a little deceptive. It ends with line high in the air. But that’s now how these processes end. They end with a crash. The crash could be natural – the world descends to grinding universal poverty and war and disease brings the population down fast, or the remaining survivors intervene and reduce the population to a more manageable level by eliminating people. Neither is an attractive choice – but those are the only choices. Most people when the options become clear, I think, will prefer some sort of genocide style solution.

    If you don’t like those options – speak up. Don’t just nag at me because I dare to face the prospect of an unattractive future. I would like to be wrong.

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  243. Pat Boyle says:
    @AnotherDad

    I hate to make intemperate statements or discordant comments but the answer is looming before us. We are going to have to kill them.
     
    No. Not at all.

    Two buckets:

    1) International
    If you look at fertility internationally:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate
    TFR is below replacement on over half the (land) area of the world, and at or approaching it in 3/4. There are a few random outliers, the Catholic Phillipines and a few more backward Muslim nations, but the big outlier is black Africa.

    The only thing forcing up population growth in the West is that we have allowed--insanely--immigration--worse immigration of higher fertility and more backward peoples--even as we've controlled our own fertility. Stop that, deport the invaders, and *contain* the problem and the problem is solved.

    Africa's population will soar and the four horsemen will ride, but it need not affect the rest of us. (We can preserve the wildlife in similar environments elsewhere.)

    So for the international problem--containment solves the problem.


    2) Domestic.
    The domestic problem is twofold. The birthcontrol pill, feminism/female-careerism has dropped smart/competent women's (and hence smart men's) fertility while the welfare state has stopped the natural suppression of the fertility of the stupid/lazy/shiftless. There's also the issue of the build up of mutational load.

    A very simple proposition: "If you are too incompetent to support yourself and require other people (taxpayer provided welfare) to support you then in return we require you have no (no more) children" is probably sufficient alone to turn around the disgenic trends. Do the same for medical interventions. Add increased screening for genetic mutations. Do some eugenic propaganda to create a target of "three" instead of "two" for smart women who have their act together--married, healthy, adequate financial resources--then you are certainly there.

    So for the domestic problem--eugenic welfare policy, genetic technology, eugenic cultural vibe and the problem is solved.

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    In short, this problem is not at all difficult to solve and solve even with the context of a liberal democratic order with individual rights.

    No the problem is entirely that we've been buried by the leftist/Jewish--and now establishment--anti-biological, anti-hereditarian, equalist, "nurture" nonsense. Where "eugenics" == "the Holocaust", where there are no "meaningful" racial differences, where everyone is equal--or would be but for "access to resources" and "oppression".

    Get rid of this anti-scientific nonsense and return to simply common sense understandings of human nature and human differences and all these problems are tractable.

    I was asked by another commenter to respond to your posting. My first impression is that you agree with me. I’ll explain.

    I agree that the population problem is largely African. I suggested to everyone’s horror that if we didn’t do something quick we would have to kill a lot of them. You say it’s not a problem and suggest we just ignore it and let the four horsemen gallop. That of course is genocide.

    I’m more tender hearted, that solution bothers me. You however seem to gloss over the difficulties of consigning billions to an ugly death. I often see on some extreme blogs white guys arguing for killing all the blacks and others arguing for simply “sending them back to Africa”. These are essentially the same position. If you were to drop modern day African-Americans in Liberia or some such place – they would probably all die and not quickly or pleasantly. You glibly envision a truly terrible extermination scenario for Africans.

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  244. MEH 0910 says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Which one is Koko?

    Which one is Koko indeed. Species is a social construct.

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  245. @Pat Boyle
    I hate to make intemperate statements or discordant comments but the answer is looming before us. We are going to have to kill them.

    Let's establish some agreed upon facts. First the Earth is right now overpopulated. By my reckoning we have five billion too many people. I don't really believe in most of ecological doomsday scenarios but it seems obvious that a world with two and a half billion people like we had when I was a kid is more stable than one with seven and a half billion.

    Second most people make no contribution to the betterment of humanity. I like to say that you need an IQ of 130 to do anything important. We can argue about the exact score but whatever it is , it is going up every year.

    No serious education reforms have worked. The Africans, Maoris and Aborigines are not catching up.

    The Africans are having a population explosion.

    None of those propositions is in serious doubt by serious people.

    The basic situation of a human being is that you are born and you die. We have chosen to greatly decrease the rate at which people die. Formerly the natural processes caused lots of death. If we have artificially decreased death we will sooner or later have to supplement that process with deaths of our own devising.

    I don't like that conclusion but I can't see a way out of our predicament. Man has taken responsibility for more and more formerly uncontrolled processes. If the population - particularly the low talent left side of the distribution population - doesn't somehow get itself under control. There will arise those to address the problem.

    We are going to have to kill them.

    No such active measures would be necessary if the civilised world simply erected a cordon sanitaire around sub-Saharan Africa and stopped vaccinating, medicating, and sending the natives food or other material aid. Nature would then bring its population under control.

    The word “ecology” is surrounded by a sort of leftist brown-rice-and-bicycles aura, but has some hard facts behind it that do not necessarily support such fatuous beliefs. Central to ecology is the concept that land has a “carrying capacity,” which can support a finite number of life forms. Man is distinct from other species in that he can to some degree increase the carrying capacity of land by conscious effort. However, there are limits to this.

    By importing modern medicine and technology to primitive parts of the world which have limited carrying capacity, the civilised nations have effectively removed the predators (microbes and parasites) that kept their populations under control. The natives are incapable of working the available land efficiently enough to feed their growing populations. The result is something like the population explosion of moose on Isle Royal, which is on the point of losing its wolves:

    https://www.freep.com/story/sports/outdoors/2017/04/18/moose-population-isle-royale/100592498/

    Naturalists have contemplated introducing new wolves to Isle Royal, as the alternative is simply to let starvation take its course among the overpopulated moose. Needless to say, no such realistic idea is entertained to deal with the surplus population in Africa. Indeed, we are too tender-hearted to let the place undergo a successful famine. We send aid that only encourages the overpopulation, and technology that only adds to the allure of migration to the affluent countries that produced it. When the Camp of the Saints scenario plays out, the vast hordes of sub-80 IQ migrants will simply take by force what they could not create by their own labor.

    We have been too clever by half, wallowing in what Kennan called the luxury of altruism and world-benefaction. The barbarian is at the gate, and it lies undefended. This will be the true “suicide of the West.”

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