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Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung: "Is Artificial Intelligence Racist?"

From the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung via Google Übersetzer:

Neoreaktion im Silicon Valley

When machines think

Is artificial intelligence racist? In the Silicon Valley, neo-reactionaries program humanity history from the mind of computers.

14.04.2017, by MARK SIEMONS

What is going on in this computer-generated back-head, which can be found on the website “Post-Anathema” for “neoreaktionäre Ästhetik”?

Good question.

The so-called alternative rights (“alt-right”), which provides for the radical superstructure of the Trumps government and, above all, its Chief Counselor Bannon , is supported not only by conservatives of the old school – people who oppose multiculti, gene theory and Silicon Valley By nature, order. In an overview, which last year gave the central body of the AltRight movement, the website “Breitbart”, there is, of course, also this traditionalist current, in addition to regular neo-Nazis. It is under the heading “Natural Conservatives,” a species predominantly of white, masculine, and middle American Americans who, by pure “instinct,” upholds the interests of their own demographic tribe and therefore finds the market less important than the republican establishment As authority, homogeneity and family.

But a much more specific one appears in the text, a group of relatively young intellectuals, who are themselves called “Neoreaktionäre” or “NRx”. What is crucial to them is that traditions do not play a role for them, and they regard any “nature” no less as a cultural and social construct than the leftist and liberal theorists who are supposed to characterize the mainstream they hate. The difference is that they give this pattern a new filling, an undisputedly racist and authoritarian. They raise the demand to reprogram the rationality, which was an emancipatory progress project.

Indeed.

Much more about Mencius Moldbug and Nick Land follows.

Allow me to say that Mencius deserves to be discussed in the language of Kant, Hegel, and Heidegger:

Ein Hauptideengeber ist der in San Francisco lebende Software-Ingenieur Curtis Yarvin, der unter seinem Blogger-Namen Mencius Moldbug schreibt: „Bei UR“ – gemeint ist sein Blog „Unqualified Reservations“ – „kümmern wir uns nicht um Tradition. Wir akzeptieren nichts Gegebenes, dienen keinem Idol. Im Gegenteil – wir scheißen auf sie.“

See what I mean?

Here’s some more ne0-reactionary aesthetics from Post-Anathema:

Neo-Reactionary Beverly Hills

 
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  1. Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung at one time was Germany’s leading conservative newspaper, and it has undergone an amazing mutation to become as leftist as the LA Times or NYT.

    Of course this due to the fact that nobody comes out of journalism studies today without having been brainwashed by the ruling commie professors into submission, and the FAZ has been taken over by a new generation of nutcase journalism graduates.

    As in the majority of societal woes today, the main culprits are leftist perfessors.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.

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    • Replies: @Random Dude on the Internet
    Journalism is a dying profession. Everyone is vying for the shrinking pool of journalist jobs so that means they have to be good little progressives in order to get a shot. My guess is any conservative journalist is blogging or using Twitter. They probably even get paid better going this route than being another bog standard prog journalist making $30k a year while having to live in Manhattan or Washington DC.
    , @German_reader
    True, it's become totally worthless, I hardly read it anymore (and certainly won't spend money on it). They failed utterly in opposing Merkel's open borders policy and that's just unforgivable.
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  2. But a much more specific one appears in the text, a group of relatively young intellectuals, who are themselves called “Neoreaktionäre” or “NRx”. What is crucial to them is that traditions do not play a role for them

    This is some goofy Orwellian BS. Neoreactionary beliefs tend to fall in line with most of civilized society up until about 1960-1965 when it was decided that traditions were considered sexist and racist.

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    • Replies: @Jason Liu
    Neoreaction is the norm for civilization circa 3000 BC to just a few decades ago. Liberal democracy is a passing disease.
  3. @Authenticjazzman
    Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung at one time was Germany's leading conservative newspaper, and it has undergone an amazing mutation to become as leftist as the LA Times or NYT.

    Of course this due to the fact that nobody comes out of journalism studies today without having been brainwashed by the ruling commie professors into submission, and the FAZ has been taken over by a new generation of nutcase journalism graduates.

    As in the majority of societal woes today, the main culprits are leftist perfessors.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.

    Journalism is a dying profession. Everyone is vying for the shrinking pool of journalist jobs so that means they have to be good little progressives in order to get a shot. My guess is any conservative journalist is blogging or using Twitter. They probably even get paid better going this route than being another bog standard prog journalist making $30k a year while having to live in Manhattan or Washington DC.

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  4. @Random Dude on the Internet

    But a much more specific one appears in the text, a group of relatively young intellectuals, who are themselves called “Neoreaktionäre” or “NRx”. What is crucial to them is that traditions do not play a role for them
     
    This is some goofy Orwellian BS. Neoreactionary beliefs tend to fall in line with most of civilized society up until about 1960-1965 when it was decided that traditions were considered sexist and racist.

    Neoreaction is the norm for civilization circa 3000 BC to just a few decades ago. Liberal democracy is a passing disease.

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    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Well said.

    I'm stealing that.
    , @Lex Corvus
    Or, as Julius Evola put it in Men Among the Ruins:

    My principles are only those that, before the French Revolution, every well-born person considered sane and normal.
     
  5. The fact that AI seems to bother the modern left makes me want to look into it more.

    Will transhumanism make social inequality absolutely indisputable? Let’s hope so.

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    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    "The fact that AI seems to bother the modern left makes me want to look into it more.

    Will transhumanism make social inequality absolutely indisputable? Let’s hope so."

    Not having air to breathe would be terrible for someone who is a proud leftist.

    It's not good for a faithful follower of John Birch (any of them still around?) either.

    This isn't a case of something favoring one side. It's more like a forest fire. People have posted and debated on this topic in the past. The focus of this site is something different however.

    But in the long run, it wouldn't surprise me if HBD isn't even a blip issue compared to the ramifications of ... hell call it singularity crap.

    Thing is you don't even need to have your own version of Hal from 2001, or to pull an example from literature, Colossus.

    Near as I can tell all the pieces are already in place to upend the very basis of our economy. And the sensors and processing power for this initial step are already dirt cheap.

    There are going to be some winners, but a whole lot of losers. And some of them are going to be former winners who will be very unhappy.

    Then we have the issue of an actual AI superintelligence. Some pooh pooh this. I don't. That is a thing that is totally unknowable as to what it actually means to humans now (assuming you can do it; I think you can because you have to invoke the ghost in the machine to say you can't).

    It is simply not possible for a philosopher to theorize. Sure you can speculate, but that is the kind of thing that just cannot be predicted before it is here.
  6. Curtis Yarvin aka Mencius Moldbug thinks, it’s up to him to decide, wether there are traditions – and influences, caused by them, or not.***
    This indeed is not only wrong, it’s absolutely impossible. It’s always about the degree upon which traditions are influential.

    It’s enough to think of the tools, Moldbug uses to state his idea: Words, namely – to understand, that his thoughts are child-like anarchism of the unreflected (most traditional/narcissistic) kind.

    There’s no way to start from scratch in the realms of politics, protest, revolutions, criticism and so on. And in this hindsight, it doesn’t matter at all, wether the intended changes are right – or leftwing (or no wing at all…).

    ***That’s the quote of Moldbug in the FAZ I refer to:
    in Hauptideengeber ist der in San Francisco lebende Software-Ingenieur Curtis Yarvin, der unter seinem Blogger-Namen Mencius Moldbug schreibt: „Bei UR“ – gemeint ist sein Blog „Unqualified Reservations“ – „kümmern wir uns nicht um Tradition. Wir akzeptieren nichts Gegebenes, dienen keinem Idol. Im Gegenteil – wir scheißen auf sie

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Without a link to the original, in English, your comment is worthless.
  7. Sorry, I tried to read this in the original german, but it’s it is unintelligible fluff with words one hears when someone pukes up there in the philosophy department, as well as with the required mention of nazis, something that seems to be peculiar to Germany (France has crap pseudo-philosophy too, but does anyone take Lacan seriously?)

    Maybe the author heard of

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/03/silicon-valley-tech-alt-right-racism-misogyny

    and also of AI and Ray Kurzweil and mashed everything together?

    I, for one welcome our enlarged-brain spice-addicted god-emperor-hailing Guild Navigators.

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    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    I was going to rebuke you for denigrating philosophy, but then I thought of what philosophy has become on the Continent--Hegel, phenomenology, deconstruction, poststructuralism--and I have to agree. You stand unrebuked.
  8. “See what I mean?”

    Absolutely. In that spirit, allow me to add that “Wir scheißen auf sie” invokes a powerful notion of disdain. An anglo-saxon would use “f*ck it/them”, but that doesn’t seem to carry the same weight of scornfulness. So, the elites scheißen auf the populace, the unwashed masses, they are not merely indifferent to them.

    Of course, sometimes that Scheiße, upon hitting the fan, is going to fly straight back at them. And then everybody cries.

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  9. @Authenticjazzman
    Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung at one time was Germany's leading conservative newspaper, and it has undergone an amazing mutation to become as leftist as the LA Times or NYT.

    Of course this due to the fact that nobody comes out of journalism studies today without having been brainwashed by the ruling commie professors into submission, and the FAZ has been taken over by a new generation of nutcase journalism graduates.

    As in the majority of societal woes today, the main culprits are leftist perfessors.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.

    True, it’s become totally worthless, I hardly read it anymore (and certainly won’t spend money on it). They failed utterly in opposing Merkel’s open borders policy and that’s just unforgivable.

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    • Replies: @22pp22
    If there a half-way decent German news source?

    I occasionally watch ZDF on Youtube so as not to forget my German.

    Oliver Welke is the epitome of what it is to be a smug PC d1ckhead.

    I really want to punch him.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    " True, it's become totally worthless"
    The whole issue boils down to this one point :
    Germany has become an irrational leftist nuthouse, and all of it's political parties have merged into one singular idealogical leftist block, and the results thereof are obvious.
    Germany has been swept up into a wierd anti-US Republican mania for the last five decades, and the bizarre aspect of this is that the Democrats are the ones who are actually guilty of the transgressions which the german media and education system have been endlessly dumping upon the Republicans.
    For example when reporting on the KKK the german media never brings out the fact that it, the KKK, was created by Democrats, rather they through omission, then imply that it, the KKK, was/is a creation of the Republicans.
    One could go on and on with this subject.
    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.
  10. My favorite Krauts are Americans. President Trump is half Kraut. The mid-Atlantic portion of the United States is loaded the hell up with Krauts. Kraut voters in the WOMP states — Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania — won the presidency for Trump. Plenty of people who have Southern ancestry have Kraut ancestors who came in through Virginia, Pennsylvania and the Carolinas.

    The Saxons that William the Conqueror defeated at the Battle of Hastings in 1066 were Krauts. William himself may have had Kraut ancestry. When the founding fathers of the United States ruminated about English justice and law having its origins in a forest clearing in Germany illuminated by firelight, they had a point.

    European Christendom is under attack from mass immigration and multiculturalism. The Krauts in the United States will be a key component in the fight against the evil forces of globalization and multiculturalism. It will be American Krauts who eventually liberate the Krauts in Germany.

    The American Empire will depart Germany, a ceremony at Ramstein Air Force base will symbolically transfer sovereignty from the American Empire back to Germany and the German people. The Germans will turn the screw and attain a nuclear deterrent.

    The enemies of the German people are the ones pushing mass immigration in the European Christian nation-states. The enemies of the German people are the ones who want the American Empire continuously embroiled in the Middle East. The enemies of the German people are the ones who push globalization, financialization and multiculturalism.

    GOD BLESS THE GERMAN PEOPLE — WHEREVER THEY ARE

    THE ENEMIES OF THE GERMAN PEOPLE CAN GO TO HELL

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  11. Moldbug does pretty well for a guy who hasn’t blogged in years. He should write a book!

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    • Replies: @fish

    He should write a book!
     
    He did......sort of.
  12. @Jason Liu
    The fact that AI seems to bother the modern left makes me want to look into it more.

    Will transhumanism make social inequality absolutely indisputable? Let's hope so.

    “The fact that AI seems to bother the modern left makes me want to look into it more.

    Will transhumanism make social inequality absolutely indisputable? Let’s hope so.”

    Not having air to breathe would be terrible for someone who is a proud leftist.

    It’s not good for a faithful follower of John Birch (any of them still around?) either.

    This isn’t a case of something favoring one side. It’s more like a forest fire. People have posted and debated on this topic in the past. The focus of this site is something different however.

    But in the long run, it wouldn’t surprise me if HBD isn’t even a blip issue compared to the ramifications of … hell call it singularity crap.

    Thing is you don’t even need to have your own version of Hal from 2001, or to pull an example from literature, Colossus.

    Near as I can tell all the pieces are already in place to upend the very basis of our economy. And the sensors and processing power for this initial step are already dirt cheap.

    There are going to be some winners, but a whole lot of losers. And some of them are going to be former winners who will be very unhappy.

    Then we have the issue of an actual AI superintelligence. Some pooh pooh this. I don’t. That is a thing that is totally unknowable as to what it actually means to humans now (assuming you can do it; I think you can because you have to invoke the ghost in the machine to say you can’t).

    It is simply not possible for a philosopher to theorize. Sure you can speculate, but that is the kind of thing that just cannot be predicted before it is here.

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  13. @Dieter Kief
    Curtis Yarvin aka Mencius Moldbug thinks, it's up to him to decide, wether there are traditions - and influences, caused by them, or not.***
    This indeed is not only wrong, it's absolutely impossible. It's always about the degree upon which traditions are influential.

    It's enough to think of the tools, Moldbug uses to state his idea: Words, namely - to understand, that his thoughts are child-like anarchism of the unreflected (most traditional/narcissistic) kind.

    There's no way to start from scratch in the realms of politics, protest, revolutions, criticism and so on. And in this hindsight, it doesn't matter at all, wether the intended changes are right - or leftwing (or no wing at all...).


    ***That's the quote of Moldbug in the FAZ I refer to:
    in Hauptideengeber ist der in San Francisco lebende Software-Ingenieur Curtis Yarvin, der unter seinem Blogger-Namen Mencius Moldbug schreibt: „Bei UR“ – gemeint ist sein Blog „Unqualified Reservations“ – „kümmern wir uns nicht um Tradition. Wir akzeptieren nichts Gegebenes, dienen keinem Idol. Im Gegenteil – wir scheißen auf sie

    Without a link to the original, in English, your comment is worthless.

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    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    Oh, I see. It's a bit of a risk on my side: That the FAS's (it's the FAS, , the sunday paper by the way, - n o t the slightly more serious FAZ, as remarked here over and over again) Mark Siemons, whom I read frequently, did what is expected from FA-writers: That he makes a reliable quote of Mencius Moldbug. (Would you question this?).

    Since I've read a lot of - philosophically speaking - lunatic (=outright dumb) stuff from techies, I thought that Mark Siemon's quote could well be correct. But as I said: I see your point.

    I think the basis for this discussion is - a bit californian. I've never taken part in a discussion of a machine-translated text anywhere. And I really don't know the ways of the US-Americans with these things. Did Steve Sailer expect, that most readers here grasp, what the last paragraph, which he did not translate per machine, is about, even though it is not translated, or did he think that all who don't undestand it will have put it fast through google-translate themselves?

    Modern life is fast & furious at times.

  14. @Laurel
    Moldbug does pretty well for a guy who hasn't blogged in years. He should write a book!

    He should write a book!

    He did……sort of.

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  15. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Ideology will be secondary to idology or hedonology in importance.

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    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    If that's the future, I guess that I'm just as glad that it will soon be co ing to an end.
  16. So the German establishment, in the shape of the still moderately right-wing Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, is noticing that on the other side of the Atlantic Pond something of interest is going on, and even beginning to have a certain impact.

    Overall, that’s a good thing, isn’t it? Not only does it confirm the impact of Moldbug / NRx / etc. in the US, but it also increases their exposure in my country. So now I’m looking forward to the day when there will be ninety instead of just nine other Germans who are alert to the American alt-right in its various facets. As to more zeros being added to that number over time, well, one can dream …

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    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
    " moderately right-wing FAZ"

    Unsinn die FAZ is jetzt ultra-links.

    Authenticjazzman " Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet and pro jazz artist.
  17. “… a species predominantly of white, masculine, and middle American Americans who, by pure “instinct,” upholds the interests of their own demographic tribe …”

    Is there a problem, officer ?

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  18. Allow me to say that Mencius deserves to be discussed in the language of Kant, Hegel, and Heidegger

    Wonderful, Steve; I’d call this one of your best put-downs, but I think you used it before (or maybe borrowed it, since it sounds somewhat familiar in a Woody Allen-ish sort of way)?

    Here’s my weak-tea version: A Mencius Moldbug essay is like someone played a c. 1975 John Bonham drum solo on a Lawrence Auster abstraction.

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  19. It feels like its written by people who have no understanding of Neoreaction whatsoever.

    “They raise the demand to reprogram the rationality, which was an emancipatory progress project.”

    Only insofar as the “progress” is not really accomplishing anything except misery, ugliness and general failure all around. Its worth recoiling from the horror show of society and suggest alternatives – and certainly NRX is more critique than solution. But that does not mean that it is wrong to have that critique.

    Also, alternative rights? For alt-right? Really.

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    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    That article kind of smacks of machine translation, ...

    ... which makes it sort of self-commentary, in a meta way.
  20. @German_reader
    True, it's become totally worthless, I hardly read it anymore (and certainly won't spend money on it). They failed utterly in opposing Merkel's open borders policy and that's just unforgivable.

    If there a half-way decent German news source?

    I occasionally watch ZDF on Youtube so as not to forget my German.

    Oliver Welke is the epitome of what it is to be a smug PC d1ckhead.

    I really want to punch him.

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    • Replies: @German_reader
    ZDF is just horrible, I don't watch it anymore because the level of propaganda is just unbearable (and the programme you refer to with that Welke guy is just a bad copy of the American Daily show...kind of symptomatic for modern Germany).
    It's really hard to recommend any German media. Personally I read the Junge Freiheit, only newspaper I still buy occasionally. Some of its content is a bit silly in my view (e.g. occasional mild WW2 revisionism, Christian traditionalism), but they're pretty much the only ones consistently opposed to Merkel's open borders lunacy which is the central issue for me. Cicero magazine is also sometimes interesting. There's also another site with blogs for liberals and conservatives (Tichys Einblick) which occasionally is critical of the government, but I've come to the conclusion that ultimately they're hypocritical losers (a lot of them grumble and complain, but in the end they still want to get people to vote for the Christian Democrats or the Liberals; and I was recently banned from commenting there for some rather mild criticism).
    You can forget mainstream German newspapers...best supra-regional German-language newspaper probably is Swiss Neue Zürcher Zeitung (don't know about Austrian newspapers, they might also be better than German ones).
    , @The Alarmist
    Watch ZDF in the home country, and you are treated to pablum from Claus Kleber, who seems like a serious but nice chap, which makes him the perfect vessel for delivering the talking points of pure progressive evil.
  21. @22pp22
    If there a half-way decent German news source?

    I occasionally watch ZDF on Youtube so as not to forget my German.

    Oliver Welke is the epitome of what it is to be a smug PC d1ckhead.

    I really want to punch him.

    ZDF is just horrible, I don’t watch it anymore because the level of propaganda is just unbearable (and the programme you refer to with that Welke guy is just a bad copy of the American Daily show…kind of symptomatic for modern Germany).
    It’s really hard to recommend any German media. Personally I read the Junge Freiheit, only newspaper I still buy occasionally. Some of its content is a bit silly in my view (e.g. occasional mild WW2 revisionism, Christian traditionalism), but they’re pretty much the only ones consistently opposed to Merkel’s open borders lunacy which is the central issue for me. Cicero magazine is also sometimes interesting. There’s also another site with blogs for liberals and conservatives (Tichys Einblick) which occasionally is critical of the government, but I’ve come to the conclusion that ultimately they’re hypocritical losers (a lot of them grumble and complain, but in the end they still want to get people to vote for the Christian Democrats or the Liberals; and I was recently banned from commenting there for some rather mild criticism).
    You can forget mainstream German newspapers…best supra-regional German-language newspaper probably is Swiss Neue Zürcher Zeitung (don’t know about Austrian newspapers, they might also be better than German ones).

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    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    I go with some regularity to "Unser Mitteleuropa" for news, and the amusingly named "Altmod - Die Zukunft war früher auch besser" for opinons and analysis. Do you know them?
    Ver sad about the FAZ -they managed to resist the Nazis, but not the Leftist pest.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    Die " Neue Zürcher Zeitung" ist radikal links, und pro-Massenimmigration.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.
    , @Dieter Kief
    The FAZ by and large is a good paper. They're a bit confused though, what to make of the immigration question - not least, because some of the good writers there are conservative christians.

    Best article of 2017 in German about the migration-question and Trump and Brexit appeared on 6th of february in the FAZ and is written by the astonishing Thilo Sarrazin. This one is dead on.

    If you are a little patient, this article is also for free on the web and can be found on achgut.com. or at

    https://blendle.com/i/frankfurter-allgemeine-zeitung/die-logik-hinter-trump-und-brexit/bnl-faz-20170202-8870077?sharer=eyJ2ZXJzaW9uIjoiMSIsInVpZCI6ImRpZXRlcmtpZWYiLCJpdGVtX2lkIjoiYm5sLWZhei0yMDE3MDIwMi04ODcwMDc3In0%3D


    Here is an interesting interview with Sarrazin from april 4th in the European, in which he also reflects on his - not always good - experiences with the FAZ.

    http://www.theeuropean.de/sarrazin-thilo/12046-interview-mit-thilo-sarrazin

    All of Sarrazins books are great. Very good is: Siegfried Kohlhammer 1) on Islam and 2 "Auf Kosten der Dritten Welt?" (On the expence of the third world?) - two books, hardly noticed in Germany, exept from the happy few...

    Then there is historian Rolf-Peter Sieferle in a short little book from this spring: Das Migrationsproblem.

    And of course Hans Magnus Enzensberger - "3 Versuche über den Unfrieden" - Suhrkamp, Frankfurt - parts of it to be found translated in "Civil Wars"

  22. Unterdessen berichtet die Zeitung „Politico“, Trumps Stratege Steve Bannon habe kürzlich schon über einen Mittelsmann Kontakt mit Curtis Yarvin aufgenommen; was bei diesem Austausch des neoreaktionären Vordenkers mit der amerikanischen Regierung herauskam, ist allerdings nicht überliefert.

    I thought that Moldbug was only joking when he said that @BronzeAgePervert was his cutout to Bannon.

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  23. @German_reader
    ZDF is just horrible, I don't watch it anymore because the level of propaganda is just unbearable (and the programme you refer to with that Welke guy is just a bad copy of the American Daily show...kind of symptomatic for modern Germany).
    It's really hard to recommend any German media. Personally I read the Junge Freiheit, only newspaper I still buy occasionally. Some of its content is a bit silly in my view (e.g. occasional mild WW2 revisionism, Christian traditionalism), but they're pretty much the only ones consistently opposed to Merkel's open borders lunacy which is the central issue for me. Cicero magazine is also sometimes interesting. There's also another site with blogs for liberals and conservatives (Tichys Einblick) which occasionally is critical of the government, but I've come to the conclusion that ultimately they're hypocritical losers (a lot of them grumble and complain, but in the end they still want to get people to vote for the Christian Democrats or the Liberals; and I was recently banned from commenting there for some rather mild criticism).
    You can forget mainstream German newspapers...best supra-regional German-language newspaper probably is Swiss Neue Zürcher Zeitung (don't know about Austrian newspapers, they might also be better than German ones).

    I go with some regularity to “Unser Mitteleuropa” for news, and the amusingly named “Altmod – Die Zukunft war früher auch besser” for opinons and analysis. Do you know them?
    Ver sad about the FAZ -they managed to resist the Nazis, but not the Leftist pest.

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    • Replies: @German_reader
    "Do you know them?"

    No, but thanks for the recommendation.
    FAZ is mostly totally useless (or worse), good example for the intellectual bankruptcy of German "conservatism".
  24. @German_reader
    True, it's become totally worthless, I hardly read it anymore (and certainly won't spend money on it). They failed utterly in opposing Merkel's open borders policy and that's just unforgivable.

    ” True, it’s become totally worthless”
    The whole issue boils down to this one point :
    Germany has become an irrational leftist nuthouse, and all of it’s political parties have merged into one singular idealogical leftist block, and the results thereof are obvious.
    Germany has been swept up into a wierd anti-US Republican mania for the last five decades, and the bizarre aspect of this is that the Democrats are the ones who are actually guilty of the transgressions which the german media and education system have been endlessly dumping upon the Republicans.
    For example when reporting on the KKK the german media never brings out the fact that it, the KKK, was created by Democrats, rather they through omission, then imply that it, the KKK, was/is a creation of the Republicans.
    One could go on and on with this subject.
    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.

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  25. @Jason Liu
    Neoreaction is the norm for civilization circa 3000 BC to just a few decades ago. Liberal democracy is a passing disease.

    Well said.

    I’m stealing that.

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  26. @Old Palo Altan
    I go with some regularity to "Unser Mitteleuropa" for news, and the amusingly named "Altmod - Die Zukunft war früher auch besser" for opinons and analysis. Do you know them?
    Ver sad about the FAZ -they managed to resist the Nazis, but not the Leftist pest.

    “Do you know them?”

    No, but thanks for the recommendation.
    FAZ is mostly totally useless (or worse), good example for the intellectual bankruptcy of German “conservatism”.

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  27. @German_reader
    ZDF is just horrible, I don't watch it anymore because the level of propaganda is just unbearable (and the programme you refer to with that Welke guy is just a bad copy of the American Daily show...kind of symptomatic for modern Germany).
    It's really hard to recommend any German media. Personally I read the Junge Freiheit, only newspaper I still buy occasionally. Some of its content is a bit silly in my view (e.g. occasional mild WW2 revisionism, Christian traditionalism), but they're pretty much the only ones consistently opposed to Merkel's open borders lunacy which is the central issue for me. Cicero magazine is also sometimes interesting. There's also another site with blogs for liberals and conservatives (Tichys Einblick) which occasionally is critical of the government, but I've come to the conclusion that ultimately they're hypocritical losers (a lot of them grumble and complain, but in the end they still want to get people to vote for the Christian Democrats or the Liberals; and I was recently banned from commenting there for some rather mild criticism).
    You can forget mainstream German newspapers...best supra-regional German-language newspaper probably is Swiss Neue Zürcher Zeitung (don't know about Austrian newspapers, they might also be better than German ones).

    Die ” Neue Zürcher Zeitung” ist radikal links, und pro-Massenimmigration.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.

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    Is it? Maybe you're right...but it seemd quite moderate to me, compared to most German newspapers...
    , @Dieter Kief
    Neue Zürcher Zeitung” ist radikal links, und pro-Massenimmigration

    That's wrong. All of it. Nobody in the NZZ wants Switzerland to joing the Schengen-contract of the EU, which indeed stands for open borders.
    , @theo the kraut
    Sorry, you might want to really read that paper once. NZZ is a centrist quality broadsheet, 10x better than what we got left in Germany. Occasionally they'll let some chick rookie squirt some pc pabulum but mostly it's readable. As for the home front, there are some breaches, in Die Welt Robin Alexander got to dissect the technicalities of Merkel's boner, his boss Ulf Poschardt is presently encouraging him to write more about that. Some months ago Poschardt still urged Germany to become more "diverse, creative, and gay[sic!]." The swine are getting a little nervous. Hope they go to hell anyway.

    Fore those who want to brush up their German, Henryk Broder's friends are setting up a youtube channel, here's an interview with Sarrazin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiZo5ESP0OI
  28. @Herzog
    So the German establishment, in the shape of the still moderately right-wing Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, is noticing that on the other side of the Atlantic Pond something of interest is going on, and even beginning to have a certain impact.

    Overall, that's a good thing, isn't it? Not only does it confirm the impact of Moldbug / NRx / etc. in the US, but it also increases their exposure in my country. So now I'm looking forward to the day when there will be ninety instead of just nine other Germans who are alert to the American alt-right in its various facets. As to more zeros being added to that number over time, well, one can dream ...

    ” moderately right-wing FAZ”

    Unsinn die FAZ is jetzt ultra-links.

    Authenticjazzman ” Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet and pro jazz artist.

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    Sorry, Jazzy, but FAZ is definitely right-wing by European standards, much the same way that relatively-centrist Marine le Pen or Geert Wilders are ultra-right-wing
  29. @Daniel Chieh
    It feels like its written by people who have no understanding of Neoreaction whatsoever.

    "They raise the demand to reprogram the rationality, which was an emancipatory progress project."

    Only insofar as the "progress" is not really accomplishing anything except misery, ugliness and general failure all around. Its worth recoiling from the horror show of society and suggest alternatives - and certainly NRX is more critique than solution. But that does not mean that it is wrong to have that critique.

    Also, alternative rights? For alt-right? Really.

    That article kind of smacks of machine translation, …

    … which makes it sort of self-commentary, in a meta way.

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  30. @Authenticjazzman
    Die " Neue Zürcher Zeitung" ist radikal links, und pro-Massenimmigration.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.

    Is it? Maybe you’re right…but it seemd quite moderate to me, compared to most German newspapers…

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  31. Land: The story goes like this: Earth is captured by a technocapital singularity as renaissance rationalitization and oceanic navigation lock into commoditization take-off. Logistically accelerating techno-economic interactivity crumbles social order in auto-sophisticating machine runaway. As markets learn to manufacture intelligence, politics modernizes, upgrades paranoia, and tries to get a grip.
    The body count climbs through a series of globewars. Emergent Planetary Commercium trashes the Holy Roman Empire, the Napoleonic Continental System, the Second and Third Reich, and the Soviet International, cranking-up world disorder through compressing phases. Deregulation and the state arms-race each other into cyberspace.

    By the time soft-engineering slithers out of its box into yours, human security is lurching into crisis. Cloning, lateral genodata transfer, transversal replication, and cyberotics, flood in amongst a relapse onto bacterial sex.

    Neo-China arrives from the future.

    Hypersynthetic drugs click into digital voodoo.

    Retro-disease.

    Nanospasm.

    .

    The Singularity will not be the begining, but the end. Hardly speculative, because the universe is very very old, and it must happen as it must have already happened countless times before.

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  32. @22pp22
    If there a half-way decent German news source?

    I occasionally watch ZDF on Youtube so as not to forget my German.

    Oliver Welke is the epitome of what it is to be a smug PC d1ckhead.

    I really want to punch him.

    Watch ZDF in the home country, and you are treated to pablum from Claus Kleber, who seems like a serious but nice chap, which makes him the perfect vessel for delivering the talking points of pure progressive evil.

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    Kleber supposedly gets more than half a million Euros a year for being a mouthpiece for progressive propaganda (all financed by the licence fee for public broadcasters which is a quasi-tax since every household has to pay it, even if one doesn't own a single TV or radio set).
    Sad thing is many people probably regard him as a trustworthy and reliable source of news.
  33. @Authenticjazzman
    " moderately right-wing FAZ"

    Unsinn die FAZ is jetzt ultra-links.

    Authenticjazzman " Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet and pro jazz artist.

    Sorry, Jazzy, but FAZ is definitely right-wing by European standards, much the same way that relatively-centrist Marine le Pen or Geert Wilders are ultra-right-wing

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  34. @El Dato
    Sorry, I tried to read this in the original german, but it's it is unintelligible fluff with words one hears when someone pukes up there in the philosophy department, as well as with the required mention of nazis, something that seems to be peculiar to Germany (France has crap pseudo-philosophy too, but does anyone take Lacan seriously?)

    Maybe the author heard of

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/03/silicon-valley-tech-alt-right-racism-misogyny

    and also of AI and Ray Kurzweil and mashed everything together?

    I, for one welcome our enlarged-brain spice-addicted god-emperor-hailing Guild Navigators.

    I was going to rebuke you for denigrating philosophy, but then I thought of what philosophy has become on the Continent–Hegel, phenomenology, deconstruction, poststructuralism–and I have to agree. You stand unrebuked.

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  35. @The Alarmist
    Watch ZDF in the home country, and you are treated to pablum from Claus Kleber, who seems like a serious but nice chap, which makes him the perfect vessel for delivering the talking points of pure progressive evil.

    Kleber supposedly gets more than half a million Euros a year for being a mouthpiece for progressive propaganda (all financed by the licence fee for public broadcasters which is a quasi-tax since every household has to pay it, even if one doesn’t own a single TV or radio set).
    Sad thing is many people probably regard him as a trustworthy and reliable source of news.

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    You can get out of the license fee, but only if you have no TV's, no radios (including your car), and no computer capable of receiving streaming media ... in other words, legally possible but practically impossible. That pretty much sums up life in Germany.

    I look at the fee as the price for making my wife happy by watching ZDF's Sunday night Herzkino, which is the only reason I end up watching Kleber spout the party line.
  36. @Anon
    Ideology will be secondary to idology or hedonology in importance.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7vqXa7xbnk

    If that’s the future, I guess that I’m just as glad that it will soon be co ing to an end.

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  37. @Authenticjazzman
    Die " Neue Zürcher Zeitung" ist radikal links, und pro-Massenimmigration.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.

    Neue Zürcher Zeitung” ist radikal links, und pro-Massenimmigration

    That’s wrong. All of it. Nobody in the NZZ wants Switzerland to joing the Schengen-contract of the EU, which indeed stands for open borders.

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    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
    Look friend we Americans are fully aware of the fact that Germans always know everything better than anyone else, but it becomes simply tiring and boring, and then nobody wants to communicate with you people.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.
  38. @Desiderius
    Without a link to the original, in English, your comment is worthless.

    Oh, I see. It’s a bit of a risk on my side: That the FAS’s (it’s the FAS, , the sunday paper by the way, – n o t the slightly more serious FAZ, as remarked here over and over again) Mark Siemons, whom I read frequently, did what is expected from FA-writers: That he makes a reliable quote of Mencius Moldbug. (Would you question this?).

    Since I’ve read a lot of – philosophically speaking – lunatic (=outright dumb) stuff from techies, I thought that Mark Siemon’s quote could well be correct. But as I said: I see your point.

    I think the basis for this discussion is – a bit californian. I’ve never taken part in a discussion of a machine-translated text anywhere. And I really don’t know the ways of the US-Americans with these things. Did Steve Sailer expect, that most readers here grasp, what the last paragraph, which he did not translate per machine, is about, even though it is not translated, or did he think that all who don’t undestand it will have put it fast through google-translate themselves?

    Modern life is fast & furious at times.

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    I've done professional exegesis/translation in the past and know how easy it is to end up with the opposite meaning from what the author intended. As I'm assuming that you're a native German speaker, it shouldn't be much trouble for you to find the original in English for the rest of us to evaluate.
  39. I don’t see how AI can be “racist” given that “race” is a word from Indo-European languages denoting a flow of water (think “mill-race”) as a metaphor for a flow of traits/commonalities/genes through living organisms.

    Maybe when the first TransHuBot berates us for being CisHuman or jealousy appropriates our nucleic ladderdance it’ll start to make (non)sense in that context.

    Oddly, Chez Olorin we have been talking about a short story, “The Veldt,” that touches upon this topic.

    I feel like I don’t belong here. The house is wife and mother now, and nursemaid. Can I compete with an African veldt?

    Also that it’s not a good idea to have Africa in your home, but I’m not sure that Bradbury was thinking that as he wrote.

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  40. @Jason Liu
    Neoreaction is the norm for civilization circa 3000 BC to just a few decades ago. Liberal democracy is a passing disease.

    Or, as Julius Evola put it in Men Among the Ruins:

    My principles are only those that, before the French Revolution, every well-born person considered sane and normal.

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  41. @German_reader
    Kleber supposedly gets more than half a million Euros a year for being a mouthpiece for progressive propaganda (all financed by the licence fee for public broadcasters which is a quasi-tax since every household has to pay it, even if one doesn't own a single TV or radio set).
    Sad thing is many people probably regard him as a trustworthy and reliable source of news.

    You can get out of the license fee, but only if you have no TV’s, no radios (including your car), and no computer capable of receiving streaming media … in other words, legally possible but practically impossible. That pretty much sums up life in Germany.

    I look at the fee as the price for making my wife happy by watching ZDF’s Sunday night Herzkino, which is the only reason I end up watching Kleber spout the party line.

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    " That pretty much sums up life in Germany"

    Not quite, as you are forgetting the german " Meldepflicht/Meldegesetz" ( Registration law ) which represents the ultimate of "Big Brotherhood" in the most odious sense, and the Germans simply cannot comprehend the oppressive nature of this fundamentally intrusive law, while they actually think it has a positive effect upon society.

    The "Meldepflicht" requires that every individual in Germany report their new address to the local "Meldeamt" ( police citizen registration office) upon changing residence, which is an unthinkable concept for any anglosaxon.

    I had encountered only one German person who was able to recognize the police-state nature of this regulation , and he has been residing in the US for the last thirty years.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.
  42. Mac Donald, Murray, and all the other big brains who live and die by their credentials on the Right are going to be the first to denounce the Right once this cold civil war goes hot.

    Remember that before being sympathetic to the lecture circuit crew.

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  43. @Authenticjazzman
    Die " Neue Zürcher Zeitung" ist radikal links, und pro-Massenimmigration.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.

    Sorry, you might want to really read that paper once. NZZ is a centrist quality broadsheet, 10x better than what we got left in Germany. Occasionally they’ll let some chick rookie squirt some pc pabulum but mostly it’s readable. As for the home front, there are some breaches, in Die Welt Robin Alexander got to dissect the technicalities of Merkel’s boner, his boss Ulf Poschardt is presently encouraging him to write more about that. Some months ago Poschardt still urged Germany to become more “diverse, creative, and gay[sic!].” The swine are getting a little nervous. Hope they go to hell anyway.

    Fore those who want to brush up their German, Henryk Broder’s friends are setting up a youtube channel, here’s an interview with Sarrazin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiZo5ESP0OI

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    " Sorry you might want to really read that paper once"

    Just how do you come to the conclusion that that I have never read it, the FAZ ?
    Plus I really do not need your world famous "deutsche Besserwisserei" or your "deutsche Belehrung", as I have read the FAZ since the sixties, and I am fully aware of the transformation it has undergone from being an actual "conservative" paper to now a blatent leftist source.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.

    , @Authenticjazzman
    " Sorry, you really might want to read that paper once"

    First of all just how do you come to the conclusion that I have never read the FAZ?

    Fact is I have read the FAZ since probably before you were born, starting in the sixties, and I am fully aware of it's transformation from a conservative newspaper to a left-wing publication.

    Secondly I really do not desire to be "Belehrt" ( tutored) by you, as I am more than familiar with the world-famous "deutsche Besserwisserei", which is nothing more than tiring and boring, and which only prompts people to not want to communicate with you folks.

    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.
  44. @Dieter Kief
    Oh, I see. It's a bit of a risk on my side: That the FAS's (it's the FAS, , the sunday paper by the way, - n o t the slightly more serious FAZ, as remarked here over and over again) Mark Siemons, whom I read frequently, did what is expected from FA-writers: That he makes a reliable quote of Mencius Moldbug. (Would you question this?).

    Since I've read a lot of - philosophically speaking - lunatic (=outright dumb) stuff from techies, I thought that Mark Siemon's quote could well be correct. But as I said: I see your point.

    I think the basis for this discussion is - a bit californian. I've never taken part in a discussion of a machine-translated text anywhere. And I really don't know the ways of the US-Americans with these things. Did Steve Sailer expect, that most readers here grasp, what the last paragraph, which he did not translate per machine, is about, even though it is not translated, or did he think that all who don't undestand it will have put it fast through google-translate themselves?

    Modern life is fast & furious at times.

    I’ve done professional exegesis/translation in the past and know how easy it is to end up with the opposite meaning from what the author intended. As I’m assuming that you’re a native German speaker, it shouldn’t be much trouble for you to find the original in English for the rest of us to evaluate.

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    it shouldn’t be much trouble for you to find the original in English for the rest of us to evaluate
     
    Here' the original Moldbug-quote:

    "I suspect most readers, like me, grew up learning to think of history as progress.

    But at UR we care not for tradition. We accept no givens, we serve no idols. Au contraire - we crap on them. "

    Mencius Moldbug, on his blog, May 7th, 2007

    So that is the quote - as supposed above - Mark Siemons from the FAZ got it right - and his German translation is ok, too.

    Now I want to repeat, what I've remarked above about these Moldbug-musings:

    Curtis Yarvin aka Mencius Moldbug thinks, it’s up to him to decide, wether there are traditions – and influences, caused by them, or not.***
    This indeed is not only wrong, it’s absolutely impossible. It’s always about the degree upon which traditions are influential.

    It’s enough to think of the tools, Moldbug uses to state his idea: Words, namely – to understand, that his thoughts are child-like anarchism of the unreflected (most traditional/narcissistic) kind.

    There’s no way to start from scratch in the realms of politics, protest, revolutions, criticism and so on. And in this hindsight, it doesn’t matter at all, wether the intended changes are right – or leftwing (or no wing at all…).

    One addendum, i f y o u p l e a s e :

    I've read some of the things on Moldbug's blog now - they sound more interesting than the lines quoted by FAZ-writer Siemons suggest.

    I'd still say, his texts are way (way!) too self-absorbed and dopey and repetitive and - if you don't mind: Oedipal, even, to put it in the shortest way I can. Especially if I think of what he writes about Chomsky: That's pure Oedipus. - The structure Moldbug follows is: Chomsky is good, he is bright , he is without any doubt important - now I'm here to - - annihilate those omnipresent thoughts by the shere power of my blinking and sky-high (sigh....) juvenile force&will... (that would be a correct reconstruction of the inner voices that Moldbug kind of - sings out, while attacking Chomsky.

    And not to forget (fergit....) - one of the more doomed Dylan-verses did find a way inside Moldbugs head - and he refers to them explicitly: "Now the Masters made the rules,\ for the wise men - and the fools\ - -and I've got nothing Ma, to live up to"
    You might see my (full) oedipal circle now: I've got nothing Ma, to live up to - and therefor: The almighty dad (=Noam Chomsky) - - - must die....

  45. @German_reader
    ZDF is just horrible, I don't watch it anymore because the level of propaganda is just unbearable (and the programme you refer to with that Welke guy is just a bad copy of the American Daily show...kind of symptomatic for modern Germany).
    It's really hard to recommend any German media. Personally I read the Junge Freiheit, only newspaper I still buy occasionally. Some of its content is a bit silly in my view (e.g. occasional mild WW2 revisionism, Christian traditionalism), but they're pretty much the only ones consistently opposed to Merkel's open borders lunacy which is the central issue for me. Cicero magazine is also sometimes interesting. There's also another site with blogs for liberals and conservatives (Tichys Einblick) which occasionally is critical of the government, but I've come to the conclusion that ultimately they're hypocritical losers (a lot of them grumble and complain, but in the end they still want to get people to vote for the Christian Democrats or the Liberals; and I was recently banned from commenting there for some rather mild criticism).
    You can forget mainstream German newspapers...best supra-regional German-language newspaper probably is Swiss Neue Zürcher Zeitung (don't know about Austrian newspapers, they might also be better than German ones).

    The FAZ by and large is a good paper. They’re a bit confused though, what to make of the immigration question – not least, because some of the good writers there are conservative christians.

    Best article of 2017 in German about the migration-question and Trump and Brexit appeared on 6th of february in the FAZ and is written by the astonishing Thilo Sarrazin. This one is dead on.

    If you are a little patient, this article is also for free on the web and can be found on achgut.com. or at

    https://blendle.com/i/frankfurter-allgemeine-zeitung/die-logik-hinter-trump-und-brexit/bnl-faz-20170202-8870077?sharer=eyJ2ZXJzaW9uIjoiMSIsInVpZCI6ImRpZXRlcmtpZWYiLCJpdGVtX2lkIjoiYm5sLWZhei0yMDE3MDIwMi04ODcwMDc3In0%3D

    Here is an interesting interview with Sarrazin from april 4th in the European, in which he also reflects on his – not always good – experiences with the FAZ.

    http://www.theeuropean.de/sarrazin-thilo/12046-interview-mit-thilo-sarrazin

    All of Sarrazins books are great. Very good is: Siegfried Kohlhammer 1) on Islam and 2 “Auf Kosten der Dritten Welt?” (On the expence of the third world?) – two books, hardly noticed in Germany, exept from the happy few…

    Then there is historian Rolf-Peter Sieferle in a short little book from this spring: Das Migrationsproblem.

    And of course Hans Magnus Enzensberger – “3 Versuche über den Unfrieden” – Suhrkamp, Frankfurt – parts of it to be found translated in “Civil Wars”

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    Many thanks for the recommendations! I had heard of Sieferle's and Enzensberger's books and intend to read them (someday...), but I hadn't noticed the rest. Maybe I should occasionally give the FAZ another chance (only thing I still read there is Don Alphonso's blog...which seems like a fig leaf to me, concerning the immigration question). I have to admit though that my tolerance for "conservative Christians" is near zero nowadays.
  46. @theo the kraut
    Sorry, you might want to really read that paper once. NZZ is a centrist quality broadsheet, 10x better than what we got left in Germany. Occasionally they'll let some chick rookie squirt some pc pabulum but mostly it's readable. As for the home front, there are some breaches, in Die Welt Robin Alexander got to dissect the technicalities of Merkel's boner, his boss Ulf Poschardt is presently encouraging him to write more about that. Some months ago Poschardt still urged Germany to become more "diverse, creative, and gay[sic!]." The swine are getting a little nervous. Hope they go to hell anyway.

    Fore those who want to brush up their German, Henryk Broder's friends are setting up a youtube channel, here's an interview with Sarrazin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiZo5ESP0OI

    ” Sorry you might want to really read that paper once”

    Just how do you come to the conclusion that that I have never read it, the FAZ ?
    Plus I really do not need your world famous “deutsche Besserwisserei” or your “deutsche Belehrung”, as I have read the FAZ since the sixties, and I am fully aware of the transformation it has undergone from being an actual “conservative” paper to now a blatent leftist source.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.

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    > Just how do you come to the conclusion that that I have never read it, the FAZ ?

    > > Authenticjazzman says:
    > > April 14, 2017 at 7:10 pm GMT
    > > Die ” Neue Zürcher Zeitung” ist radikal links, und pro-Massenimmigration.

    Your long time Mensa membership is enviable but may be you should cut down on that sugar intake or whatever recreational little helper it is.
  47. @Dieter Kief
    Neue Zürcher Zeitung” ist radikal links, und pro-Massenimmigration

    That's wrong. All of it. Nobody in the NZZ wants Switzerland to joing the Schengen-contract of the EU, which indeed stands for open borders.

    Look friend we Americans are fully aware of the fact that Germans always know everything better than anyone else, but it becomes simply tiring and boring, and then nobody wants to communicate with you people.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.

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  48. @The Alarmist
    You can get out of the license fee, but only if you have no TV's, no radios (including your car), and no computer capable of receiving streaming media ... in other words, legally possible but practically impossible. That pretty much sums up life in Germany.

    I look at the fee as the price for making my wife happy by watching ZDF's Sunday night Herzkino, which is the only reason I end up watching Kleber spout the party line.

    ” That pretty much sums up life in Germany”

    Not quite, as you are forgetting the german ” Meldepflicht/Meldegesetz” ( Registration law ) which represents the ultimate of “Big Brotherhood” in the most odious sense, and the Germans simply cannot comprehend the oppressive nature of this fundamentally intrusive law, while they actually think it has a positive effect upon society.

    The “Meldepflicht” requires that every individual in Germany report their new address to the local “Meldeamt” ( police citizen registration office) upon changing residence, which is an unthinkable concept for any anglosaxon.

    I had encountered only one German person who was able to recognize the police-state nature of this regulation , and he has been residing in the US for the last thirty years.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.

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    You missed the more important clause there: "Legally possible ... practically impossible."

    The Meldepflicht applies to everyone, but there are plenty of immigrant scofflaws who flout those laws, and we are seeing a growing wave of them committing mayhem while the authorities say, "He was on our radar but we could not keep tabs on him or find him."

    My wife frequently points out that a number of American problems could be solved with a Meldepflicht, which is true if it were actually enforced uniformly, but I don't kid myself for a moment that the actual trouble makers would be held to account, while the rest of us would be increasingly imprisoned inch by inch in the New American Gulag.
  49. @theo the kraut
    Sorry, you might want to really read that paper once. NZZ is a centrist quality broadsheet, 10x better than what we got left in Germany. Occasionally they'll let some chick rookie squirt some pc pabulum but mostly it's readable. As for the home front, there are some breaches, in Die Welt Robin Alexander got to dissect the technicalities of Merkel's boner, his boss Ulf Poschardt is presently encouraging him to write more about that. Some months ago Poschardt still urged Germany to become more "diverse, creative, and gay[sic!]." The swine are getting a little nervous. Hope they go to hell anyway.

    Fore those who want to brush up their German, Henryk Broder's friends are setting up a youtube channel, here's an interview with Sarrazin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiZo5ESP0OI

    ” Sorry, you really might want to read that paper once”

    First of all just how do you come to the conclusion that I have never read the FAZ?

    Fact is I have read the FAZ since probably before you were born, starting in the sixties, and I am fully aware of it’s transformation from a conservative newspaper to a left-wing publication.

    Secondly I really do not desire to be “Belehrt” ( tutored) by you, as I am more than familiar with the world-famous “deutsche Besserwisserei”, which is nothing more than tiring and boring, and which only prompts people to not want to communicate with you folks.

    Authenticjazzman, “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.

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  50. @Dieter Kief
    The FAZ by and large is a good paper. They're a bit confused though, what to make of the immigration question - not least, because some of the good writers there are conservative christians.

    Best article of 2017 in German about the migration-question and Trump and Brexit appeared on 6th of february in the FAZ and is written by the astonishing Thilo Sarrazin. This one is dead on.

    If you are a little patient, this article is also for free on the web and can be found on achgut.com. or at

    https://blendle.com/i/frankfurter-allgemeine-zeitung/die-logik-hinter-trump-und-brexit/bnl-faz-20170202-8870077?sharer=eyJ2ZXJzaW9uIjoiMSIsInVpZCI6ImRpZXRlcmtpZWYiLCJpdGVtX2lkIjoiYm5sLWZhei0yMDE3MDIwMi04ODcwMDc3In0%3D


    Here is an interesting interview with Sarrazin from april 4th in the European, in which he also reflects on his - not always good - experiences with the FAZ.

    http://www.theeuropean.de/sarrazin-thilo/12046-interview-mit-thilo-sarrazin

    All of Sarrazins books are great. Very good is: Siegfried Kohlhammer 1) on Islam and 2 "Auf Kosten der Dritten Welt?" (On the expence of the third world?) - two books, hardly noticed in Germany, exept from the happy few...

    Then there is historian Rolf-Peter Sieferle in a short little book from this spring: Das Migrationsproblem.

    And of course Hans Magnus Enzensberger - "3 Versuche über den Unfrieden" - Suhrkamp, Frankfurt - parts of it to be found translated in "Civil Wars"

    Many thanks for the recommendations! I had heard of Sieferle’s and Enzensberger’s books and intend to read them (someday…), but I hadn’t noticed the rest. Maybe I should occasionally give the FAZ another chance (only thing I still read there is Don Alphonso’s blog…which seems like a fig leaf to me, concerning the immigration question). I have to admit though that my tolerance for “conservative Christians” is near zero nowadays.

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    I have to admit though that my tolerance for “conservative Christians” is near zero nowadays
     
    Here's your personal medicine concerning unregulated immigration (min. 31 ff.)

    http://www.swr.de/swr2/programm/sendungen/zeitgenossen/spaemann-robert-philosoph/-/id=660664/did=17258318/nid=660664/pwb8ow/index.html


    It's a talk with stone-old ex-Pope-Benedict advisor and Stuttgartian Philosopher Robert Spaemann attacking Angela Merkel in a very friendly, but utterly distinct way - - full frontal!!

    I'm a little impatient, that arguments like his - theologically and morally completely ok with no doubt at all possible, are not really (only so-so - - here and there, in second and third-rate places (exept for this one - OF COURSE!)) communicated, discussed, spoken about. That's an omission, that the FAZ makes, too. I post the link to this interview every once in a while on Don Alphonso's blog - as I do here.
  51. @Authenticjazzman
    " That pretty much sums up life in Germany"

    Not quite, as you are forgetting the german " Meldepflicht/Meldegesetz" ( Registration law ) which represents the ultimate of "Big Brotherhood" in the most odious sense, and the Germans simply cannot comprehend the oppressive nature of this fundamentally intrusive law, while they actually think it has a positive effect upon society.

    The "Meldepflicht" requires that every individual in Germany report their new address to the local "Meldeamt" ( police citizen registration office) upon changing residence, which is an unthinkable concept for any anglosaxon.

    I had encountered only one German person who was able to recognize the police-state nature of this regulation , and he has been residing in the US for the last thirty years.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.

    You missed the more important clause there: “Legally possible … practically impossible.”

    The Meldepflicht applies to everyone, but there are plenty of immigrant scofflaws who flout those laws, and we are seeing a growing wave of them committing mayhem while the authorities say, “He was on our radar but we could not keep tabs on him or find him.”

    My wife frequently points out that a number of American problems could be solved with a Meldepflicht, which is true if it were actually enforced uniformly, but I don’t kid myself for a moment that the actual trouble makers would be held to account, while the rest of us would be increasingly imprisoned inch by inch in the New American Gulag.

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    " My wife frequently points out that a number of American problems could be solved with a Meldepflicht".

    So your wife is German and she embraces the idea of Big Brother keeping his eye on each and every "Subject", and she does not comprehend the concept of personal sovereignity, or the idea of remaining anomynous.

    Look Germans are people who harbor an intense love of state, of government, regardless of how oppressive or suppressive conditions may be. Their mass mind-set is that of "Untertanen", : Subjects, and this is somehow a hopless issue for the next hundred generations as far as this neurotic, troubled nation is concerned.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.
  52. @German_reader
    Many thanks for the recommendations! I had heard of Sieferle's and Enzensberger's books and intend to read them (someday...), but I hadn't noticed the rest. Maybe I should occasionally give the FAZ another chance (only thing I still read there is Don Alphonso's blog...which seems like a fig leaf to me, concerning the immigration question). I have to admit though that my tolerance for "conservative Christians" is near zero nowadays.

    I have to admit though that my tolerance for “conservative Christians” is near zero nowadays

    Here’s your personal medicine concerning unregulated immigration (min. 31 ff.)

    http://www.swr.de/swr2/programm/sendungen/zeitgenossen/spaemann-robert-philosoph/-/id=660664/did=17258318/nid=660664/pwb8ow/index.html

    It’s a talk with stone-old ex-Pope-Benedict advisor and Stuttgartian Philosopher Robert Spaemann attacking Angela Merkel in a very friendly, but utterly distinct way – – full frontal!!

    I’m a little impatient, that arguments like his – theologically and morally completely ok with no doubt at all possible, are not really (only so-so – – here and there, in second and third-rate places (exept for this one – OF COURSE!)) communicated, discussed, spoken about. That’s an omission, that the FAZ makes, too. I post the link to this interview every once in a while on Don Alphonso’s blog – as I do here.

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    I don't think it matters though, the churches in Germany are fanatically pro-open borders, and you get demented nonsense like this from them:
    http://cicero.de/salon/fluechtlingskrise-das-boot-ist-nicht-voll
    I have very little sympathy nowadays for Christianity and Christians in Germany. An awful lot of them seem to regard it as their mission to force Germans into "charity" and giving up their own country for the benefit of the wretched masses from the global south. They're totally oblivious to the very real suffering caused by Merkel's open borders policy (which after all by now includes a non-trivial number of murders and rapes committed by "refugees") which they seem to regard as acceptable collateral damage in their quest for an utopian vision of the universal brotherhood of man. Christianity in Germany is morally and intellectually bankrupt imo, and I'd be happy to see it disappear.
  53. @Authenticjazman
    " Sorry you might want to really read that paper once"

    Just how do you come to the conclusion that that I have never read it, the FAZ ?
    Plus I really do not need your world famous "deutsche Besserwisserei" or your "deutsche Belehrung", as I have read the FAZ since the sixties, and I am fully aware of the transformation it has undergone from being an actual "conservative" paper to now a blatent leftist source.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.

    > Just how do you come to the conclusion that that I have never read it, the FAZ ?

    > > Authenticjazzman says:
    > > April 14, 2017 at 7:10 pm GMT
    > > Die ” Neue Zürcher Zeitung” ist radikal links, und pro-Massenimmigration.

    Your long time Mensa membership is enviable but may be you should cut down on that sugar intake or whatever recreational little helper it is.

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    " You should cut down on that sugar intake"

    Nice example of typical German snotty know-it-all sarcasm.

    Just how do you know whether I am a sugar addict or not?

    You Germans just don't get it : People outside of Germany simply do not cotton to the arrogant " "rotzige" German know-it-all : "deutsche Besserwisserei" mindset, period.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.
    , @Authenticjazzman
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    , @Authenticjazzman
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  54. Let me put in a good word for one German philosopher – Schopenhauer.

    I think of him as an intuitive sociobiologist.

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    Schopenhauer wins my personal contest for most annoying philosopher with whom I substantially agree. Of course, I am allergic to High German Romantic Literature.
  55. @Desiderius
    I've done professional exegesis/translation in the past and know how easy it is to end up with the opposite meaning from what the author intended. As I'm assuming that you're a native German speaker, it shouldn't be much trouble for you to find the original in English for the rest of us to evaluate.

    it shouldn’t be much trouble for you to find the original in English for the rest of us to evaluate

    Here’ the original Moldbug-quote:

    “I suspect most readers, like me, grew up learning to think of history as progress.

    But at UR we care not for tradition. We accept no givens, we serve no idols. Au contraire – we crap on them. ”

    Mencius Moldbug, on his blog, May 7th, 2007

    So that is the quote – as supposed above – Mark Siemons from the FAZ got it right – and his German translation is ok, too.

    Now I want to repeat, what I’ve remarked above about these Moldbug-musings:

    Curtis Yarvin aka Mencius Moldbug thinks, it’s up to him to decide, wether there are traditions – and influences, caused by them, or not.***
    This indeed is not only wrong, it’s absolutely impossible. It’s always about the degree upon which traditions are influential.

    It’s enough to think of the tools, Moldbug uses to state his idea: Words, namely – to understand, that his thoughts are child-like anarchism of the unreflected (most traditional/narcissistic) kind.

    There’s no way to start from scratch in the realms of politics, protest, revolutions, criticism and so on. And in this hindsight, it doesn’t matter at all, wether the intended changes are right – or leftwing (or no wing at all…).

    One addendum, i f y o u p l e a s e :

    I’ve read some of the things on Moldbug’s blog now – they sound more interesting than the lines quoted by FAZ-writer Siemons suggest.

    I’d still say, his texts are way (way!) too self-absorbed and dopey and repetitive and – if you don’t mind: Oedipal, even, to put it in the shortest way I can. Especially if I think of what he writes about Chomsky: That’s pure Oedipus. – The structure Moldbug follows is: Chomsky is good, he is bright , he is without any doubt important – now I’m here to – – annihilate those omnipresent thoughts by the shere power of my blinking and sky-high (sigh….) juvenile force&will… (that would be a correct reconstruction of the inner voices that Moldbug kind of – sings out, while attacking Chomsky.

    And not to forget (fergit….) – one of the more doomed Dylan-verses did find a way inside Moldbugs head – and he refers to them explicitly: “Now the Masters made the rules,\ for the wise men – and the fools\ – -and I’ve got nothing Ma, to live up to”
    You might see my (full) oedipal circle now: I’ve got nothing Ma, to live up to – and therefor: The almighty dad (=Noam Chomsky) – – – must die….

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    No, I think you miss what he's getting at.

    He's writing for progressives trying to break through to post-progressivism.

    See this:

    http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/05/he-who-refuses-does-not-repent.html
  56. @Dieter Kief

    it shouldn’t be much trouble for you to find the original in English for the rest of us to evaluate
     
    Here' the original Moldbug-quote:

    "I suspect most readers, like me, grew up learning to think of history as progress.

    But at UR we care not for tradition. We accept no givens, we serve no idols. Au contraire - we crap on them. "

    Mencius Moldbug, on his blog, May 7th, 2007

    So that is the quote - as supposed above - Mark Siemons from the FAZ got it right - and his German translation is ok, too.

    Now I want to repeat, what I've remarked above about these Moldbug-musings:

    Curtis Yarvin aka Mencius Moldbug thinks, it’s up to him to decide, wether there are traditions – and influences, caused by them, or not.***
    This indeed is not only wrong, it’s absolutely impossible. It’s always about the degree upon which traditions are influential.

    It’s enough to think of the tools, Moldbug uses to state his idea: Words, namely – to understand, that his thoughts are child-like anarchism of the unreflected (most traditional/narcissistic) kind.

    There’s no way to start from scratch in the realms of politics, protest, revolutions, criticism and so on. And in this hindsight, it doesn’t matter at all, wether the intended changes are right – or leftwing (or no wing at all…).

    One addendum, i f y o u p l e a s e :

    I've read some of the things on Moldbug's blog now - they sound more interesting than the lines quoted by FAZ-writer Siemons suggest.

    I'd still say, his texts are way (way!) too self-absorbed and dopey and repetitive and - if you don't mind: Oedipal, even, to put it in the shortest way I can. Especially if I think of what he writes about Chomsky: That's pure Oedipus. - The structure Moldbug follows is: Chomsky is good, he is bright , he is without any doubt important - now I'm here to - - annihilate those omnipresent thoughts by the shere power of my blinking and sky-high (sigh....) juvenile force&will... (that would be a correct reconstruction of the inner voices that Moldbug kind of - sings out, while attacking Chomsky.

    And not to forget (fergit....) - one of the more doomed Dylan-verses did find a way inside Moldbugs head - and he refers to them explicitly: "Now the Masters made the rules,\ for the wise men - and the fools\ - -and I've got nothing Ma, to live up to"
    You might see my (full) oedipal circle now: I've got nothing Ma, to live up to - and therefor: The almighty dad (=Noam Chomsky) - - - must die....

    No, I think you miss what he’s getting at.

    He’s writing for progressives trying to break through to post-progressivism.

    See this:

    http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/05/he-who-refuses-does-not-repent.html

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    "He’s writing for progressives trying to break through to post-progressivism."
     
    1) I might have gotten this. I saw whom he refers to (Spengler, Dylan***, Plato, Carlyle...).

    (***Dylan - this is rare, has a clearly conservative side in his songs/ and thoughts from very early on. And he has it at hand - no need for boring meandering, never beginning and never really ending text-anacondas like those Moldbug produces.)

    2) "Progressives & post progressivism" = Trotskyites become neoconservatives; Young blue-shirted Pioneer becomes Christian Democrat, becomes Chancellor Merkel; etc. (Jena Romantics, adoring the universal innerworldly transcendency at the beginning, became Catholics in the end***...bolshevists became Stalinists...the glorious French revolution brought Napoleon...

    *** cf. Joni Mitchell - "each romantic faces the same fate someday - boring, lonsome and cynical in some dark café"

    3) I can understand that you might want to battle Noam Chomsky - as long as you know as little about him as to think, philosophically or linguistically at least, he'd be of any importance.
    It's a laugh really, that it needed old Tom Wolfe to at least attack him on his futile linguistic theories and get at least a little bit of public attention. But - big but: This is old hat, as far as the more serious philosophical debate is concerned. In trying to "kill" Chomsky, Moldbug indeed beat up a (scientifically / philosophically) dead (= uninteresting, no longer debated) scientist in a dead end street.
    Chomsky didn't grab really what it means to avoid naturalisation. My hypothesis would be: Would Mouldbug have known what it means to philosophize without naturalising the matters of the mind, he might well have had a chance to leave his oedipal fixation with Chomsky behind much earlier - and with hardly any effort.

    - What is Moldbug doing now, anyways?

    PS

    As I said: He for sure was no bad chap. And the reactions he got are definitely interesting - as are his energies - and at least some of his goals, at least in my opinion.

    The formula for what Moldbug might have been after was one, David Forster Wallace was after too, at the time he was working for Rolling Stone ("I remember well" (Dylan - in Simple Twist of Fate on Blood on the Tracks)). But Wallace got - tangled up in - his own - blue - brilliance (and his mental illness).

    Basically it's very simple, I guess: That nobody has the last word about our earthly matters - and that this is the reason, why decent and fair communication is essential for a functioning society. -That means - and this is really an abbreviation, but no bad one: Audiatur et altera pars facta loquntur.

    =

    Take your stand. But beware (= be prepared to meet your (hopefully, but in no case (cf. Sigmund Freud...) necessarily: fair & decent***...) opponents - any time soon).
    *** for Freud this is one of the wonderous (=huge) accomplishments of (parts...) of the civilised world

    "The MacCain Tought Express" is the above mentioned Rolling Stone essay of David Forster Wallace in a book - and here's a shortcut to DF Wallace trying desperately (and failing comically, if not tragically...) in a very short version in the Economist's obituary - and that the Economist goes back to this essay especially is no coincidence - that - from the standpoint of the Economist - makes perfect sense: http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2008/09/david_foster_wallace_on_john_m

    Moldbug would make for a great reader of - - - J. Franzen's novel PURITY.

  57. @Whitehall
    Let me put in a good word for one German philosopher - Schopenhauer.

    I think of him as an intuitive sociobiologist.

    Schopenhauer wins my personal contest for most annoying philosopher with whom I substantially agree. Of course, I am allergic to High German Romantic Literature.

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  58. @Desiderius
    No, I think you miss what he's getting at.

    He's writing for progressives trying to break through to post-progressivism.

    See this:

    http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/05/he-who-refuses-does-not-repent.html

    “He’s writing for progressives trying to break through to post-progressivism.”

    1) I might have gotten this. I saw whom he refers to (Spengler, Dylan***, Plato, Carlyle…).

    (***Dylan – this is rare, has a clearly conservative side in his songs/ and thoughts from very early on. And he has it at hand – no need for boring meandering, never beginning and never really ending text-anacondas like those Moldbug produces.)

    2) “Progressives & post progressivism” = Trotskyites become neoconservatives; Young blue-shirted Pioneer becomes Christian Democrat, becomes Chancellor Merkel; etc. (Jena Romantics, adoring the universal innerworldly transcendency at the beginning, became Catholics in the end***…bolshevists became Stalinists…the glorious French revolution brought Napoleon…

    *** cf. Joni Mitchell – “each romantic faces the same fate someday – boring, lonsome and cynical in some dark café”

    3) I can understand that you might want to battle Noam Chomsky – as long as you know as little about him as to think, philosophically or linguistically at least, he’d be of any importance.
    It’s a laugh really, that it needed old Tom Wolfe to at least attack him on his futile linguistic theories and get at least a little bit of public attention. But – big but: This is old hat, as far as the more serious philosophical debate is concerned. In trying to “kill” Chomsky, Moldbug indeed beat up a (scientifically / philosophically) dead (= uninteresting, no longer debated) scientist in a dead end street.
    Chomsky didn’t grab really what it means to avoid naturalisation. My hypothesis would be: Would Mouldbug have known what it means to philosophize without naturalising the matters of the mind, he might well have had a chance to leave his oedipal fixation with Chomsky behind much earlier – and with hardly any effort.

    – What is Moldbug doing now, anyways?

    PS

    As I said: He for sure was no bad chap. And the reactions he got are definitely interesting – as are his energies – and at least some of his goals, at least in my opinion.

    The formula for what Moldbug might have been after was one, David Forster Wallace was after too, at the time he was working for Rolling Stone (“I remember well” (Dylan – in Simple Twist of Fate on Blood on the Tracks)). But Wallace got – tangled up in – his own – blue – brilliance (and his mental illness).

    Basically it’s very simple, I guess: That nobody has the last word about our earthly matters – and that this is the reason, why decent and fair communication is essential for a functioning society. -That means – and this is really an abbreviation, but no bad one: Audiatur et altera pars facta loquntur.

    =

    Take your stand. But beware (= be prepared to meet your (hopefully, but in no case (cf. Sigmund Freud…) necessarily: fair & decent***…) opponents – any time soon).
    *** for Freud this is one of the wonderous (=huge) accomplishments of (parts…) of the civilised world

    “The MacCain Tought Express” is the above mentioned Rolling Stone essay of David Forster Wallace in a book – and here’s a shortcut to DF Wallace trying desperately (and failing comically, if not tragically…) in a very short version in the Economist’s obituary – and that the Economist goes back to this essay especially is no coincidence – that – from the standpoint of the Economist – makes perfect sense: http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2008/09/david_foster_wallace_on_john_m

    Moldbug would make for a great reader of – – – J. Franzen’s novel PURITY.

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    Basically it’s very simple, I guess: That nobody has the last word about our earthly matters – and that this is the reason, why decent and fair communication is essential for a functioning society. -That means – and this is really an abbreviation, but no bad one: Audiatur et altera pars facta loquntur.
     
    Yes, well said.

    I'd suggest reading Isaiah Berlin.
  59. @The Alarmist
    You missed the more important clause there: "Legally possible ... practically impossible."

    The Meldepflicht applies to everyone, but there are plenty of immigrant scofflaws who flout those laws, and we are seeing a growing wave of them committing mayhem while the authorities say, "He was on our radar but we could not keep tabs on him or find him."

    My wife frequently points out that a number of American problems could be solved with a Meldepflicht, which is true if it were actually enforced uniformly, but I don't kid myself for a moment that the actual trouble makers would be held to account, while the rest of us would be increasingly imprisoned inch by inch in the New American Gulag.

    ” My wife frequently points out that a number of American problems could be solved with a Meldepflicht”.

    So your wife is German and she embraces the idea of Big Brother keeping his eye on each and every “Subject”, and she does not comprehend the concept of personal sovereignity, or the idea of remaining anomynous.

    Look Germans are people who harbor an intense love of state, of government, regardless of how oppressive or suppressive conditions may be. Their mass mind-set is that of “Untertanen”, : Subjects, and this is somehow a hopless issue for the next hundred generations as far as this neurotic, troubled nation is concerned.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.

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  60. @theo the kraut
    > Just how do you come to the conclusion that that I have never read it, the FAZ ?

    > > Authenticjazzman says:
    > > April 14, 2017 at 7:10 pm GMT
    > > Die ” Neue Zürcher Zeitung” ist radikal links, und pro-Massenimmigration.

    Your long time Mensa membership is enviable but may be you should cut down on that sugar intake or whatever recreational little helper it is.

    ” You should cut down on that sugar intake”

    Nice example of typical German snotty know-it-all sarcasm.

    Just how do you know whether I am a sugar addict or not?

    You Germans just don’t get it : People outside of Germany simply do not cotton to the arrogant ” “rotzige” German know-it-all : “deutsche Besserwisserei” mindset, period.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.

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  61. @Dieter Kief

    "He’s writing for progressives trying to break through to post-progressivism."
     
    1) I might have gotten this. I saw whom he refers to (Spengler, Dylan***, Plato, Carlyle...).

    (***Dylan - this is rare, has a clearly conservative side in his songs/ and thoughts from very early on. And he has it at hand - no need for boring meandering, never beginning and never really ending text-anacondas like those Moldbug produces.)

    2) "Progressives & post progressivism" = Trotskyites become neoconservatives; Young blue-shirted Pioneer becomes Christian Democrat, becomes Chancellor Merkel; etc. (Jena Romantics, adoring the universal innerworldly transcendency at the beginning, became Catholics in the end***...bolshevists became Stalinists...the glorious French revolution brought Napoleon...

    *** cf. Joni Mitchell - "each romantic faces the same fate someday - boring, lonsome and cynical in some dark café"

    3) I can understand that you might want to battle Noam Chomsky - as long as you know as little about him as to think, philosophically or linguistically at least, he'd be of any importance.
    It's a laugh really, that it needed old Tom Wolfe to at least attack him on his futile linguistic theories and get at least a little bit of public attention. But - big but: This is old hat, as far as the more serious philosophical debate is concerned. In trying to "kill" Chomsky, Moldbug indeed beat up a (scientifically / philosophically) dead (= uninteresting, no longer debated) scientist in a dead end street.
    Chomsky didn't grab really what it means to avoid naturalisation. My hypothesis would be: Would Mouldbug have known what it means to philosophize without naturalising the matters of the mind, he might well have had a chance to leave his oedipal fixation with Chomsky behind much earlier - and with hardly any effort.

    - What is Moldbug doing now, anyways?

    PS

    As I said: He for sure was no bad chap. And the reactions he got are definitely interesting - as are his energies - and at least some of his goals, at least in my opinion.

    The formula for what Moldbug might have been after was one, David Forster Wallace was after too, at the time he was working for Rolling Stone ("I remember well" (Dylan - in Simple Twist of Fate on Blood on the Tracks)). But Wallace got - tangled up in - his own - blue - brilliance (and his mental illness).

    Basically it's very simple, I guess: That nobody has the last word about our earthly matters - and that this is the reason, why decent and fair communication is essential for a functioning society. -That means - and this is really an abbreviation, but no bad one: Audiatur et altera pars facta loquntur.

    =

    Take your stand. But beware (= be prepared to meet your (hopefully, but in no case (cf. Sigmund Freud...) necessarily: fair & decent***...) opponents - any time soon).
    *** for Freud this is one of the wonderous (=huge) accomplishments of (parts...) of the civilised world

    "The MacCain Tought Express" is the above mentioned Rolling Stone essay of David Forster Wallace in a book - and here's a shortcut to DF Wallace trying desperately (and failing comically, if not tragically...) in a very short version in the Economist's obituary - and that the Economist goes back to this essay especially is no coincidence - that - from the standpoint of the Economist - makes perfect sense: http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2008/09/david_foster_wallace_on_john_m

    Moldbug would make for a great reader of - - - J. Franzen's novel PURITY.

    Basically it’s very simple, I guess: That nobody has the last word about our earthly matters – and that this is the reason, why decent and fair communication is essential for a functioning society. -That means – and this is really an abbreviation, but no bad one: Audiatur et altera pars facta loquntur.

    Yes, well said.

    I’d suggest reading Isaiah Berlin.

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  62. @theo the kraut
    > Just how do you come to the conclusion that that I have never read it, the FAZ ?

    > > Authenticjazzman says:
    > > April 14, 2017 at 7:10 pm GMT
    > > Die ” Neue Zürcher Zeitung” ist radikal links, und pro-Massenimmigration.

    Your long time Mensa membership is enviable but may be you should cut down on that sugar intake or whatever recreational little helper it is.

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  63. I’d suggest reading Isaiah Berlin

    Issiah Berlin, always making the case for the nation state – and for the fact, that people involved in political communication better understood, that emotions are of much importance in the public political sphere: That still is correct – kind of worldwide, as it seems (for our host, too, I might add, since a) he is arguing day in day out for national borders and b) being coutious with military interventions (that’s very close to Berlins point to be careful with political means, since nobody can possibly know the ends (the outcomes of poltical/ military interventions (that’s all inspired by Kant, as Berlin frequently stated).

    As is the case with good writers – what was hardly recognised as important at the time it was written, grows with time (I might remind you of our exchange about Hans-Georg Gadamer’s Truth & Method about hermeneutics with Olorin, a few months back).

    Berlin obviously read Kant and Hegel.
    The Kantian distinction between means and ends – – – if I think about it, it has lots in common with the old hippie-slogan about the journey being the goal, – a digression into the sixties…(there’s lots of hippie-stuff in the Hegel’s Phenomenology as well…).

    And the fact, that freedom is no goal, that can stand by itself (stand alone), is not only Hegelian (this one was very good understood and put into mainstream- theory by the prettty much underestimated Erich Fromm cf. Fear of Freedom (Europe)/ Escape from Freedom (US-title).

    Heglian is also Berlins idea of the two kinds of freedom.- Those thoughts are pretty old humanistic accomplishments though – dating back: I don’t know really – but they seem to have been very clear for the Montaigne of the ESSAIS too.

    If I consider all this: Jonathan Franzens novel Freedom might owe something to Issiah Berlin.

    I was impressed by some of the American red diaper-generation’s immunity almost against totalitarian ideals/ and ideas. Dylan – as so often, realised this perfectly well (he probably learned it, when being together with Suze Rotolo (cf. the cover-foto of Blonde on Blonde, and Rotolo’s quite interesting and very readable autobiography).

    And then there is Eric Hoffer’s book – The Fanatic – – Hannah Arendt met him ca. ’56 in San Francisco: A proud man, like a king. He showed me around in the docks she mused after having met Hoffer. He sounds a lot like Issiah Berlin too. But this might be a coincidence.

    Amartya Sen claims to stand in Issiah Berlins shoes – that makes me a little bit nervous.

    Habermas and Rawls both opposed Berlin’s claim, that “liberal liberty” should be reduced to the defense rights in modern constitutions and thus be looked upon as basically negative. Habermas and Rawls argue, that the laws we give ouselves in the democartic process do free us from the state’s unregulated powers in defending our freedom against the state, and bind us via consensus at the same time, because we accept that the democratic procedure and it’s outcomes are being brought forward in our name (ideally – but they understand these idialisations as necessary. I therefor call them regulative ideals).
    cf. James Trully, “The Unfreedom of the Moderns in Comparison to Their Ideals of Constitutional Democracy” – in Public Philosophy in a New Key, Camridge 2008, 91-124

    Freedom, as far as it is a result of the democratic process, is necessarily a procedural thing and thus neither positive nor negative in itself. Wether we look at the results of a given democratic practise as negative or positive is a practical question, and has nothing to do with the aformentioned substantial (= Issiahn) understanding of freedom as either positive o r negative.

    Lots of things to think through for Modlbug, if he would have cared (one humiliating thing in our times is, that so much is already there, by the time you are born. – – This might be a reason, why rebels such as Moldbug have so many followers: The humiliating part of our riches. This might make for one more big resentment to be added to the Cosmic, the Darwinian and the Feudian one: The “too-much-of-everything”-one (goods, ideas, thoughts…), that might give those rebels the impression to be dwarfed in whatever they try to accomplish – especially the young men (kids are still very interesting – and women often times too – at least many – – they have this natural advancement in charme and looks over men – and the world. too, at times…).

    If you don’t mind – some of the topics above are dicussed in here:

    Habermas, J. (2001) Between Facts and Norms: Contributions to a Discourse Theory of Law and Democracy. Cambridge, MA: The Massachusetts Institute of Technology Press.

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    Lots of things to think through for Modlbug, if he would have cared
     
    He would, and does.

    The passage that got into the German article was intended in jest as a hoisting on their own petard of the hypermodern progressives.
  64. @Dieter Kief

    I’d suggest reading Isaiah Berlin
     
    Issiah Berlin, always making the case for the nation state - and for the fact, that people involved in political communication better understood, that emotions are of much importance in the public political sphere: That still is correct - kind of worldwide, as it seems (for our host, too, I might add, since a) he is arguing day in day out for national borders and b) being coutious with military interventions (that's very close to Berlins point to be careful with political means, since nobody can possibly know the ends (the outcomes of poltical/ military interventions (that's all inspired by Kant, as Berlin frequently stated).

    As is the case with good writers - what was hardly recognised as important at the time it was written, grows with time (I might remind you of our exchange about Hans-Georg Gadamer's Truth & Method about hermeneutics with Olorin, a few months back).

    Berlin obviously read Kant and Hegel.
    The Kantian distinction between means and ends - - - if I think about it, it has lots in common with the old hippie-slogan about the journey being the goal, - a digression into the sixties...(there's lots of hippie-stuff in the Hegel's Phenomenology as well...).

    And the fact, that freedom is no goal, that can stand by itself (stand alone), is not only Hegelian (this one was very good understood and put into mainstream- theory by the prettty much underestimated Erich Fromm cf. Fear of Freedom (Europe)/ Escape from Freedom (US-title).

    Heglian is also Berlins idea of the two kinds of freedom.- Those thoughts are pretty old humanistic accomplishments though - dating back: I don't know really - but they seem to have been very clear for the Montaigne of the ESSAIS too.

    If I consider all this: Jonathan Franzens novel Freedom might owe something to Issiah Berlin.

    I was impressed by some of the American red diaper-generation's immunity almost against totalitarian ideals/ and ideas. Dylan - as so often, realised this perfectly well (he probably learned it, when being together with Suze Rotolo (cf. the cover-foto of Blonde on Blonde, and Rotolo's quite interesting and very readable autobiography).

    And then there is Eric Hoffer's book - The Fanatic - - Hannah Arendt met him ca. '56 in San Francisco: A proud man, like a king. He showed me around in the docks she mused after having met Hoffer. He sounds a lot like Issiah Berlin too. But this might be a coincidence.

    Amartya Sen claims to stand in Issiah Berlins shoes - that makes me a little bit nervous.

    Habermas and Rawls both opposed Berlin's claim, that "liberal liberty" should be reduced to the defense rights in modern constitutions and thus be looked upon as basically negative. Habermas and Rawls argue, that the laws we give ouselves in the democartic process do free us from the state's unregulated powers in defending our freedom against the state, and bind us via consensus at the same time, because we accept that the democratic procedure and it's outcomes are being brought forward in our name (ideally - but they understand these idialisations as necessary. I therefor call them regulative ideals).
    cf. James Trully, "The Unfreedom of the Moderns in Comparison to Their Ideals of Constitutional Democracy" - in Public Philosophy in a New Key, Camridge 2008, 91-124

    Freedom, as far as it is a result of the democratic process, is necessarily a procedural thing and thus neither positive nor negative in itself. Wether we look at the results of a given democratic practise as negative or positive is a practical question, and has nothing to do with the aformentioned substantial (= Issiahn) understanding of freedom as either positive o r negative.

    Lots of things to think through for Modlbug, if he would have cared (one humiliating thing in our times is, that so much is already there, by the time you are born. - - This might be a reason, why rebels such as Moldbug have so many followers: The humiliating part of our riches. This might make for one more big resentment to be added to the Cosmic, the Darwinian and the Feudian one: The "too-much-of-everything"-one (goods, ideas, thoughts...), that might give those rebels the impression to be dwarfed in whatever they try to accomplish - especially the young men (kids are still very interesting - and women often times too - at least many - - they have this natural advancement in charme and looks over men - and the world. too, at times...).

    If you don't mind - some of the topics above are dicussed in here:

    Habermas, J. (2001) Between Facts and Norms: Contributions to a Discourse Theory of Law and Democracy. Cambridge, MA: The Massachusetts Institute of Technology Press.

    Lots of things to think through for Modlbug, if he would have cared

    He would, and does.

    The passage that got into the German article was intended in jest as a hoisting on their own petard of the hypermodern progressives.

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    The passage that got into the German article was intended in jest as a hoisting on their own petard of the hypermodern progressives.
     
    I did write above that I could see this. My concern was, that he did not write it down properly.
    As a matter of fact: One of the intellectual heroes of the FAZ is Ernst Jünger, who too was an angry rebel as a young man. Fought as an officer in the first World War, was wounded numerous times, wrote down how the manslaughter at the front looked like in cold blooded detail ("In Stahlgewittern" = Inside the Steel-Thunderstorm) -and had the exactly same reservations against the modern society as Moldbug. All who don't know much about him might not be very astonished now if I say, that Jünger, just like Moldbug, felt the lack of excellance in modern societies - and held, that the old - ROYAL/Aristocratic - ways were to be preferred. - Lots of paralleles - as I said, to one of the FAZ's undisputed heroes (last week they had - as so often - a 1500 word piece about him in their science-section).

    As an aside: The new German Social Democrat Chancellor-canditate Schulz said in an interview a few days ago, that he, too is an avid reader of Jünger (he once had problems with alcohol and cured himself by opening and running a bookstore).

    I too read a few thousand pages of Jünger's work. He's a good writer! -Not only on war, but also on nature (there's even a bug that's called Jüngeri, and a star, too) - and drugs, too - all kinds of drugs. And he wrote very good about them. Met often times with LSD-discoverer Hoffman from Basel. Chancellor Kohl read him. French president Mitterand once visited Jünger in his Stauffenberg (!) - house in Wilflingen, which is a great little museum now.

    Do you know, wether Moldbug/ Yarvin still publishes his texts? You seem to like him.

  65. @Desiderius

    Lots of things to think through for Modlbug, if he would have cared
     
    He would, and does.

    The passage that got into the German article was intended in jest as a hoisting on their own petard of the hypermodern progressives.

    The passage that got into the German article was intended in jest as a hoisting on their own petard of the hypermodern progressives.

    I did write above that I could see this. My concern was, that he did not write it down properly.
    As a matter of fact: One of the intellectual heroes of the FAZ is Ernst Jünger, who too was an angry rebel as a young man. Fought as an officer in the first World War, was wounded numerous times, wrote down how the manslaughter at the front looked like in cold blooded detail (“In Stahlgewittern” = Inside the Steel-Thunderstorm) -and had the exactly same reservations against the modern society as Moldbug. All who don’t know much about him might not be very astonished now if I say, that Jünger, just like Moldbug, felt the lack of excellance in modern societies – and held, that the old – ROYAL/Aristocratic – ways were to be preferred. – Lots of paralleles – as I said, to one of the FAZ’s undisputed heroes (last week they had – as so often – a 1500 word piece about him in their science-section).

    As an aside: The new German Social Democrat Chancellor-canditate Schulz said in an interview a few days ago, that he, too is an avid reader of Jünger (he once had problems with alcohol and cured himself by opening and running a bookstore).

    I too read a few thousand pages of Jünger’s work. He’s a good writer! -Not only on war, but also on nature (there’s even a bug that’s called Jüngeri, and a star, too) – and drugs, too – all kinds of drugs. And he wrote very good about them. Met often times with LSD-discoverer Hoffman from Basel. Chancellor Kohl read him. French president Mitterand once visited Jünger in his Stauffenberg (!) – house in Wilflingen, which is a great little museum now.

    Do you know, wether Moldbug/ Yarvin still publishes his texts? You seem to like him.

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    Ernst Jünger, who too was an angry rebel
     
    Moldbug doesn't seem particularly angry, just a +4SD dude trying to make sense of the world.

    Do you know, wether Moldbug/ Yarvin still publishes his texts?
     
    I do not. It is my understanding that he doesn't, but that he showed up in a comment section a couple months back for a bit.

    You seem to like him.
     
    I'm perhaps too fond of non-mediocre minds, given the alternative, especially those committed to truth traditionally understood.
  66. @theo the kraut
    > Just how do you come to the conclusion that that I have never read it, the FAZ ?

    > > Authenticjazzman says:
    > > April 14, 2017 at 7:10 pm GMT
    > > Die ” Neue Zürcher Zeitung” ist radikal links, und pro-Massenimmigration.

    Your long time Mensa membership is enviable but may be you should cut down on that sugar intake or whatever recreational little helper it is.

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  67. @Dieter Kief

    I have to admit though that my tolerance for “conservative Christians” is near zero nowadays
     
    Here's your personal medicine concerning unregulated immigration (min. 31 ff.)

    http://www.swr.de/swr2/programm/sendungen/zeitgenossen/spaemann-robert-philosoph/-/id=660664/did=17258318/nid=660664/pwb8ow/index.html


    It's a talk with stone-old ex-Pope-Benedict advisor and Stuttgartian Philosopher Robert Spaemann attacking Angela Merkel in a very friendly, but utterly distinct way - - full frontal!!

    I'm a little impatient, that arguments like his - theologically and morally completely ok with no doubt at all possible, are not really (only so-so - - here and there, in second and third-rate places (exept for this one - OF COURSE!)) communicated, discussed, spoken about. That's an omission, that the FAZ makes, too. I post the link to this interview every once in a while on Don Alphonso's blog - as I do here.

    I don’t think it matters though, the churches in Germany are fanatically pro-open borders, and you get demented nonsense like this from them:

    http://cicero.de/salon/fluechtlingskrise-das-boot-ist-nicht-voll

    I have very little sympathy nowadays for Christianity and Christians in Germany. An awful lot of them seem to regard it as their mission to force Germans into “charity” and giving up their own country for the benefit of the wretched masses from the global south. They’re totally oblivious to the very real suffering caused by Merkel’s open borders policy (which after all by now includes a non-trivial number of murders and rapes committed by “refugees”) which they seem to regard as acceptable collateral damage in their quest for an utopian vision of the universal brotherhood of man. Christianity in Germany is morally and intellectually bankrupt imo, and I’d be happy to see it disappear.

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    Christianity in Germany is morally and intellectually bankrupt imo, and I’d be happy to see it disappear
     
    Oh, I see, but that's not at all up to you, since there are still a lot of Christians around.
    And as you can hear in the above linked interview with Robert Spaemann, he says, that he as a Catholic is "frightend" - he says he'd be frightend by Merkel's idea, that poverty should entitle people worldwide to move to Europe. And he says: The Christian argument, that you should help your neighbour like yourself does not - d o e s n o t mean, that erverybody should feel invited to come to Europe. The Biblical neighbour should not be read as a metaphor for "all others". That would be wrong, Spaemann says.

    I mentioned old and wise Robert Spaemann, because he indeed is a worldwide respected voice of Catholizism - and therefor I wish that his thoughts are spread, because I do see, that Christian thought still matters to the world.

    I understand you well, but as I said: Since Merkel is Christian, and quite some Social Democratic-politicians and Green polticians are Christian too (or at least talk, as if they'd be Christians), I do want to find arguments, that hold strong if I talk to those people.

    That is my point. As I said, I can see yours quite clearly!

    Is there at least a little light at the end of the European tunnel? Small signs of it, yes.
    Last month Merkel announced, that Paul Collier is now advisor of the German government on questions of migration and refugees.

    That's quite good, because Paul Collier, as you might know, is strictly against the idea, that we should deal with world-poverty by inviting all poor people over to us.

  68. @German_reader
    I don't think it matters though, the churches in Germany are fanatically pro-open borders, and you get demented nonsense like this from them:
    http://cicero.de/salon/fluechtlingskrise-das-boot-ist-nicht-voll
    I have very little sympathy nowadays for Christianity and Christians in Germany. An awful lot of them seem to regard it as their mission to force Germans into "charity" and giving up their own country for the benefit of the wretched masses from the global south. They're totally oblivious to the very real suffering caused by Merkel's open borders policy (which after all by now includes a non-trivial number of murders and rapes committed by "refugees") which they seem to regard as acceptable collateral damage in their quest for an utopian vision of the universal brotherhood of man. Christianity in Germany is morally and intellectually bankrupt imo, and I'd be happy to see it disappear.

    Christianity in Germany is morally and intellectually bankrupt imo, and I’d be happy to see it disappear

    Oh, I see, but that’s not at all up to you, since there are still a lot of Christians around.
    And as you can hear in the above linked interview with Robert Spaemann, he says, that he as a Catholic is “frightend” – he says he’d be frightend by Merkel’s idea, that poverty should entitle people worldwide to move to Europe. And he says: The Christian argument, that you should help your neighbour like yourself does not – d o e s n o t mean, that erverybody should feel invited to come to Europe. The Biblical neighbour should not be read as a metaphor for “all others”. That would be wrong, Spaemann says.

    I mentioned old and wise Robert Spaemann, because he indeed is a worldwide respected voice of Catholizism – and therefor I wish that his thoughts are spread, because I do see, that Christian thought still matters to the world.

    I understand you well, but as I said: Since Merkel is Christian, and quite some Social Democratic-politicians and Green polticians are Christian too (or at least talk, as if they’d be Christians), I do want to find arguments, that hold strong if I talk to those people.

    That is my point. As I said, I can see yours quite clearly!

    Is there at least a little light at the end of the European tunnel? Small signs of it, yes.
    Last month Merkel announced, that Paul Collier is now advisor of the German government on questions of migration and refugees.

    That’s quite good, because Paul Collier, as you might know, is strictly against the idea, that we should deal with world-poverty by inviting all poor people over to us.

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  69. @Dieter Kief

    The passage that got into the German article was intended in jest as a hoisting on their own petard of the hypermodern progressives.
     
    I did write above that I could see this. My concern was, that he did not write it down properly.
    As a matter of fact: One of the intellectual heroes of the FAZ is Ernst Jünger, who too was an angry rebel as a young man. Fought as an officer in the first World War, was wounded numerous times, wrote down how the manslaughter at the front looked like in cold blooded detail ("In Stahlgewittern" = Inside the Steel-Thunderstorm) -and had the exactly same reservations against the modern society as Moldbug. All who don't know much about him might not be very astonished now if I say, that Jünger, just like Moldbug, felt the lack of excellance in modern societies - and held, that the old - ROYAL/Aristocratic - ways were to be preferred. - Lots of paralleles - as I said, to one of the FAZ's undisputed heroes (last week they had - as so often - a 1500 word piece about him in their science-section).

    As an aside: The new German Social Democrat Chancellor-canditate Schulz said in an interview a few days ago, that he, too is an avid reader of Jünger (he once had problems with alcohol and cured himself by opening and running a bookstore).

    I too read a few thousand pages of Jünger's work. He's a good writer! -Not only on war, but also on nature (there's even a bug that's called Jüngeri, and a star, too) - and drugs, too - all kinds of drugs. And he wrote very good about them. Met often times with LSD-discoverer Hoffman from Basel. Chancellor Kohl read him. French president Mitterand once visited Jünger in his Stauffenberg (!) - house in Wilflingen, which is a great little museum now.

    Do you know, wether Moldbug/ Yarvin still publishes his texts? You seem to like him.

    Ernst Jünger, who too was an angry rebel

    Moldbug doesn’t seem particularly angry, just a +4SD dude trying to make sense of the world.

    Do you know, wether Moldbug/ Yarvin still publishes his texts?

    I do not. It is my understanding that he doesn’t, but that he showed up in a comment section a couple months back for a bit.

    You seem to like him.

    I’m perhaps too fond of non-mediocre minds, given the alternative, especially those committed to truth traditionally understood.

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    "I’m perhaps too fond of non-mediocre minds."
     
    Oh, I see. My grandfather - talking to us four cousins, adressed this subject in this way, here and there (and that sentence stuck with me, even though I was only six years old, when he died) - :"Buuwe" (approximately: lads), he used to say in his friendly and always a bit ironic/empathetic (and quite alcohol-tinted) Palatian drwal: "Lads - being bright is not enough."

    PS - Jünger changed - after the First World War - completely in one specific way: He wasn't angry anymore. He from then on cultivated reluctance (he did prefer the french word désinvolture, not the German Zurückhaltung) and objectivity.
    His nature-writing is outstanding. The best desriptions of animals (snakes, birds, insects and - - beetles - his absulute favorites), that I've come across, so far.
    Being a Lutheran for 100 years, he became a Catholic in 1996. He asked the priest in the little Württembergian village near the Lake of Constance, where the mass of his conversion was held in Septmber 1996, to read psalm 73:


    Truly God is good to Israel,
    to those who are pure in heart.
    2
    But as for me, my feet had almost stumbled,
    my steps had nearly slipped.
    3
    For I was envious of the arrogant
    when I saw the prosperity of the wicked.
    4
    For they have no pangs until death;
    their bodies are fat and sleek.
    5
    They are not in trouble as others are;
    they are not stricken like the rest of mankind.
    6
    Therefore pride is their necklace;
    violence covers them as a garment.
    7
    Their eyes swell out through fatness;
    their hearts overflow with follies.
    8
    They scoff and speak with malice;
    loftily they threaten oppression.
    9
    They set their mouths against the heavens,
    and their tongue struts through the earth.
    10
    Therefore his people turn back to them,
    and find no fault in them.[a]
    11
    And they say, “How can God know?
    Is there knowledge in the Most High?”
    12
    Behold, these are the wicked;
    always at ease, they increase in riches.
    13
    All in vain have I kept my heart clean
    and washed my hands in innocence.
    14
    For all the day long I have been stricken
    and rebuked every morning.
    15
    If I had said, “I will speak thus,”
    I would have betrayed the generation of your children.
    16
    But when I thought how to understand this,
    it seemed to me a wearisome task,
    17
    until I went into the sanctuary of God;
    then I discerned their end.


    Two years later, Jünger passed away. Until his death, he wrote daily.

    Did I remark, that he kew his Greek and Latin (etc. French) classics inside out - and that he had a beautiful garden, which he maintained well into his hundredth year? And that he started smoking cigarettes again by the age of 98, even though his husband (a biologist a n d well read librarian, whom he called "bullock") didn't much like that?
  70. @Desiderius

    Ernst Jünger, who too was an angry rebel
     
    Moldbug doesn't seem particularly angry, just a +4SD dude trying to make sense of the world.

    Do you know, wether Moldbug/ Yarvin still publishes his texts?
     
    I do not. It is my understanding that he doesn't, but that he showed up in a comment section a couple months back for a bit.

    You seem to like him.
     
    I'm perhaps too fond of non-mediocre minds, given the alternative, especially those committed to truth traditionally understood.

    “I’m perhaps too fond of non-mediocre minds.”

    Oh, I see. My grandfather – talking to us four cousins, adressed this subject in this way, here and there (and that sentence stuck with me, even though I was only six years old, when he died) – :”Buuwe” (approximately: lads), he used to say in his friendly and always a bit ironic/empathetic (and quite alcohol-tinted) Palatian drwal: “Lads – being bright is not enough.”

    PS – Jünger changed – after the First World War – completely in one specific way: He wasn’t angry anymore. He from then on cultivated reluctance (he did prefer the french word désinvolture, not the German Zurückhaltung) and objectivity.
    His nature-writing is outstanding. The best desriptions of animals (snakes, birds, insects and – – beetles – his absulute favorites), that I’ve come across, so far.
    Being a Lutheran for 100 years, he became a Catholic in 1996. He asked the priest in the little Württembergian village near the Lake of Constance, where the mass of his conversion was held in Septmber 1996, to read psalm 73:

    Truly God is good to Israel,
    to those who are pure in heart.
    2
    But as for me, my feet had almost stumbled,
    my steps had nearly slipped.
    3
    For I was envious of the arrogant
    when I saw the prosperity of the wicked.

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    4
    For they have no pangs until death;
    their bodies are fat and sleek.
    5
    They are not in trouble as others are;
    they are not stricken like the rest of mankind.
    6
    Therefore pride is their necklace;
    violence covers them as a garment.
    7
    Their eyes swell out through fatness;
    their hearts overflow with follies.
    8
    They scoff and speak with malice;
    loftily they threaten oppression.
    9
    They set their mouths against the heavens,
    and their tongue struts through the earth.
    10
    Therefore his people turn back to them,
    and find no fault in them.[a]
    11
    And they say, “How can God know?
    Is there knowledge in the Most High?”
    12
    Behold, these are the wicked;
    always at ease, they increase in riches.
    13
    All in vain have I kept my heart clean
    and washed my hands in innocence.
    14
    For all the day long I have been stricken
    and rebuked every morning.
    15
    If I had said, “I will speak thus,”
    I would have betrayed the generation of your children.
    16
    But when I thought how to understand this,
    it seemed to me a wearisome task,
    17
    until I went into the sanctuary of God;
    then I discerned their end.

    Two years later, Jünger passed away. Until his death, he wrote daily.

    Did I remark, that he kew his Greek and Latin (etc. French) classics inside out – and that he had a beautiful garden, which he maintained well into his hundredth year? And that he started smoking cigarettes again by the age of 98, even though his husband (a biologist a n d well read librarian, whom he called “bullock”) didn’t much like that?

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