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From Mike Rosenberg:

Longest commutes, by metro area

1. New York: 37 minutes one way
2. D.C. 34.9 min
3. San Francisco 34.4 min
4. San Bernardino 32.7 min
5. Atlanta 32.3 min
6. Chicago 31.8 min
7. Baltimore 31.5 min
8. Boston 31.4 min
9 Seattle 31 min
10 LA 30.8 min

Fourth worst commute in USA is San Bernardino … and after all that time on the road you still wind up in San Bernardino.

Seriously, standard of living/quality of life in inland California is pretty bad.

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  1. D. K. says:

    Driving for 32.7 minutes just to get to San Bernardino is still exponentially better than driving for 31.5 minutes and finding yourself in Baltimore (unless you are heading to an Orioles game at Camden Yards)!

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    , @Reg Cæsar
  2. J.Ross says: • Website

    How is Detroit not on there?!

    OT Canadian women waddle out of their warm earthen burrows to cry about getting exactly what they, only a short time ago, had said they wanted:

    • Replies: @anonymous
  3. prosa123 says: • Website

    30.8 minutes in LA … if you have a jetpack.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Seth Largo
  4. @D. K.

    There were just over 7000 “fans” at the latest Orioles game. The fact that the Orioles are 60 games out of first place may have something to do with it.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @The Alarmist
    , @dwb
  5. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT machine learning (was this really hard to begin with?) program colors-in blacks and white manga pages. It stumbles on action (with the little extra lines that don’t exist to represent movement) but does better than most human children coloring in a static image.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  6. AndrewR says:

    My commute is eleven houses down

    • Replies: @Bubba
    , @Jim Don Bob
  7. bomag says:

    I take it that those are average times, so half are longer, half shorter.

    I’d be interested in seeing the quintiles: I imagine there are plenty of New Yorkers who live close to work, so there must be some loooong runs by the outliers; while in San Bern. everyone probably drives.

  8. keuril says:

    These times must be averages including all the people who telecommute. Similar to how the median home prices you see quoted for places like LA are ⅓ what you would pay for a place.

  9. I’ve dealt with all of these California traffic situations over the past 40 years. And I’ve told people for years that Bay Area traffic is underrated in its awfulness. All the bridges and water make things worse.

  10. Lot says:

    Traffic in LA is predictably bad, so you can plan around. The giant network of criss-crossing 10 to 16 lane interstates and 6 to 8 lane boulevards is quite amazing when traffic is light. It is redundant to the point a key road shutdown still has plenty of high-capacity alternate routes. If LA would make the gas tax higher so it cost $7 a gallon, a reasonable Euro level, it would make driving there much nicer.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Thomas
    , @GW
    , @dwb
    , @Anon
  11. Carol says:

    San Bernardino commuters must be coming from Barstow.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @dwb
  12. Nathan says:

    But why? Outside of the coastal cities, California should dirt-gap into a red state, cheap land, easy family formation model of a state. Why SHOULD San Bernardino have expensive real estate and long commutes? Where do people in San Bernardino have to go??

  13. My son in law commutes from Bucks County Pa. to downtown Manhattan a couple times a week. The train is full of other commuters. You do what you have to make the big bucks but avoid living in a big city.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  14. golly, why do people commute such long distances?

    • LOL: Dtbb
  15. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Presumably, it’s by metro area, so there are suburb-to-suburb commutes lowering the average.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  16. @bomag

    That’s the median.
    The average (mean) could be near the median, or not even close to it.

    You’re right that quintiles would be helpful to see. For example, here in LA, for each person like me who pays insane housing cost to live very close to work, there is someone else commuting an hour each way (and paying, generally, still too much).

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  17. @Nathan

    Population of Greater Los Angeles (which includes San Bernardino) is so immense that it’s all really one huge commuting zone. It’s 76 miles from LAX to San Bernardino.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Nathan
    , @Pat Boyle
  18. The northern half of the Central Valley (i.e. from Sacramento north) is a lot nicer and whiter than the southern half.

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @Autochthon
  19. If LA would make the gas tax higher so it cost $7 a gallon, a reasonable Euro level, it would make driving there much nicer.

    And then the government could use the extra revenue to hire thugs with machine guns to force commuters to use public transportation.

  20. The average commute time around the world and regardless of mode of transportation — car, train, bike, foot — is remarkably unvariable, averaging about 20 minutes. I read that in Scientific American (a long time ago, before it went full retard).

    In other words, whatever the population density, whatever the technologies available, people sort of adjust where they live and where they work.

  21. anonymous[552] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    iSteve: How’s your commute?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  22. @Nathan

    As Steve says in his reply, San Bernardino is a suburb of LA. Go really out far from the coast (and I count Sacramento as part of the coast ;), say Redding or Fresno, and it really is almost as cheap as the Midwest. Redding, in fact, is a pretty damn nice place to live (though very warm for four months).

    • Replies: @Carol
    , @anonymous
  23. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:

    Those don’t sound like very long commutes.

    • Agree: donut
  24. @anonymous

    About 8 feet to my closet where my little desk is lately.

    • LOL: Bubba
  25. Anonym says:
    @Steve Sailer

    You never really struck me as a closeted individual Steve.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  26. Bubba says:

    Now that could be very dangerous if you live in certain parts of Detroit, Baltimore, Memphis, Atlanta, Chicago, Birmingham, East St. Louis, Buffalo, Mobile, Bedford Stuy, Compton, etc…

  27. @Buffalo Joe

    True. But how about we throw out the people making the cities unliveable for us and our families, and move back?

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Buffalo Joe
  28. anon[120] • Disclaimer says:

    I do not understand how the “commute” times were arrived. At.

    I would buy 37 minutes to New York, by car, if you started from just over the Nassau County, Long Island, border. Train, yeah, if you live in Nassau County and don’t count the time driving to the station.

    My 56-mile commute, to the Fordham area of the Bronx fron Suffolk County, by car (by train and subway it would have been more than 2 hours each way) was* about one hour and one half each way, even with a car eligible to drive in the HOV lane. Anything less than perfect traffic conditions (no accidents, no bad weather) , add anywhere from a half hour to an additional hour.

    *I am happy to say “was”

    • Replies: @Bugg
    , @NYC Anon
  29. @AndrewR

    Mine is go downstairs, feed and walk the dogs, eat breakfast, walk 3 blocks to McDonalds for coffee with my peeps, then back to my second floor office that overlooks the birdbath in my back yard. I don’t use a tank of gas a month unless I leave town.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  30. JimB says:

    These statistics underplay the misery of commuting in CA. First, the average includes times for people who leave for work at 4 am to avoid the traffic at 7 am. And the true misery index is the standard deviation divided by the average. It’s the sheer unpredictability of the commute time that sucks the life out of you.

    • Agree: Rosie
  31. @Dave Pinsen

    Good point.

    So, to get a more meaningful stat, we’d need to ask, “of people who don’t telecommute, what’s the average commute?” AND the median.

    Then also break it down to separate burb-to-center-City or simply into-the-big-City commutes, from burb to burb commutes as you mention.

  32. @RadicalCenter

    What is an “insane” housing cost where you live?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @dwb
  33. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    If LA would make the gas tax higher so it cost $7 a gallon, a reasonable Euro level, it would make driving there much nicer.

    No, wealthy Angelenos won’t care and it will just make poor ones poorer. It will also set up a black market for out of state gas and cause an orgy of electric, propane and CNG car buying.

    Making the LA metro area less pleasant for illegals and non-English-speakers seems like the winning move to me.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Logan
  34. @Carol

    Man, THAT’s an uplifting combination.

  35. I imagine there are plenty of New Yorkers who live close to work…

    When I was stationed on Governors Island, the commute was just up the “ladder”– i.e., stairs. Those poor guys with families got subsidized housing in Fort Hamilton in Brooklyn, but they had to take two ferries, or a subway and a ferry and a long walk.. (There was housing on the island, but it filled up.)

    So it was either the best, or the worst. It averaged out.

    Sop to Steve– the island’s golf course had as close a view of the old World Trade Center as any other, for what that’s worth. You didn’t see the water in-between, either, so it looked like the buildings were a short walk away. I hated the damned things, but had to admit it was a stunning effect.

    Coast Guard Helicopter lands on Governors Island Golf Course with the World Trade Center Twin Towers in the background.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    , @ganderson
    , @moshe
  36. Bugg says:

    With a son going to school in Massachusetts, we have done a lot of driving around all the New England states the last few years. There is traffic in Hartford, Providence and Boston, but looks like the people in charge understand it’s important economically and for quality of life to keep it moving. That’s not the case in NY. To their credit, despite many of the same kinds of problems as NY, the roads in these states are well maintained, pedestrians and motorists respect each other and keeping traffic moving is a priority. And motorists understand going 70 is not a big deal. You car is designed to go that fast and is way more efficient going that fast than it is at a lower speed and in stop and go traffic.In NY, motorists are conditioned to go slow. Go 75 on a clean highway up there, and no state trooper cares.In NY state as per King Cuomo II, NY state troopers are pointlessly assigned in NY City, only to raise revenue. As soon as you cross the NY border, the roads suck and things slow to a crawl even on open highways. Vision Zero is more like zero vision; everything in NY State and City that can be done to impede traffic is being done.Road construction is done during rush hour and on get away days as if the DOT doesn’t own a calendar. And as with the Marine Parkway Bridge, for example, the CONSTRUCTION NEVER ENDS. Perfectly fine streets are dug up, ones that are lunar landscapes are never fixed( 3rd Avenue in Brooklyn!). Yet we pay the highest taxes and the highest tolls , yet we have the worst roads and traffic. In summary, if you are going to bleed working people can we at least get decent roads? It’s worse than the 3rd world. You are doing it all wrong.

    • Agree: slumber_j
  37. Twinkie says:

    2. D.C. 34.9 min

    Once I drove from Annapolis to DC during the peak evening rush hour. Every car heading toward me (east-bound) had a black driver. Every. Single. Car. Once I hit the center of DC, no car heading west had a black person. It was the most segregated traffic pattern I had ever seen. I didn’t witness that level of segregated traffic even in pre-Giuliani Harlem.

  38. Nathan says:
    @Steve Sailer

    That’s really awful.

    I’ve only been through the San Bernardino area a few times. Once for a friend’s wedding, where I learned there aren’t many good restaurants in Redlands, and once on a road trip where I stopped at a gas station and overheard a cell phone conversation that was half a plot to a David Lynch movie and half a Bob Newhart routine.

    So… not the best.

  39. Bugg says:

    NY remains one of the few states that does not summons motorists who leave their drivable cars in the middle of a highway after minor no injury fender bender accidents. In fact one of the few things you won’t get a summons for. At 8AM on the BQE, NYPD is not sending the Crime Scene Unit out with laser pointers; go to the service road and exchange insurance information. Nobody cares but you and your insurance carrier. Alas, in NY such nonsense is indulged.

  40. @Anonym

    The SPLC called Steve Sailer “the Liberace of hate”.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    , @Anonymous
  41. Anonymous[273] • Disclaimer says:

    So move to Arizona since you like the warm weather so much. Sierra Vista is quite nice. So is Flagstaff, though much colder. Some really nice farms about halfway up the mountain between Phoenix and Flagstaff. Between Tucson and Nogales is nice, too. Lots of little towns with retirees just your age.

    Phoenix, Scottsdale, Chandler, etc. are pretty much garbage dumps of soulless consumerist trash who think they’re as “hip” as Californians. Also way too hot. Avoid.

  42. OT-

    Deep dive into identity politics with Frances Fukuyama on NPR’s 1A. Fukuyama comes off as a basic NPR liberal. “Idenity politics practiced by my political enemies is bad because they are my enemies.” Identity politics by Black Lives Matter is justified, but other identity politics is evil because…. This is never explained. Not terribly enlightening.

    Populism is a boogeyman because it questions Fukuyama’s preferred social-political system. Diversity is a great thing, but the reason why Iraq, Afghanistan and Somalia are failed states is because they lack a sense of national identity. Okay…..

    This guy is Condoleeza Rice tier. Maybe there is a Straussian esotericism at work here, but I’m not smart enough to pick up on it.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  43. ziel says:

    Hell my daily commute is 10 miles, 37 minutes, and when I get there I’m in Newark – so all these commutes could be worse – a lot worse.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  44. Irishman says:

    Look at the bright side at least you Americans have cheap fuel. I pay about 6.50 USD a gallon for petrol/gasoline in Ireland. Each days commute costs me 13€ or $15. Can’t afford to buy so much as a shoe-box in Dublin can’t get a decent job in my line of work anywhere else in Ireland. I started working at 7-4 to shave 25 mins off my commute which is now usually an hour one way.

    I’m thinking of becoming a welfare sponge.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    , @stillCARealist
  45. Carol says:
    @International Jew

    I assumed the times were for commuting to to the given city.

    When I was growing up I lived near the San Bernardino freeway, sadly, and many commuted from SB and everywhere in between to downtown LA including my father and three uncles.

    But now people apparently commute to San Bernardino! I have to think they’re coming from Victorville, Barstow, Temecula, Hemet, Corona…all those lovely places. Gah.

    In 1975 I moved to Montana.

    • Replies: @Seth Largo
  46. Coemgen says:

    My (thankfully) former commute into Boston proper:
    Distance: about three miles
    Duration: about one hour

    Much of the commute involved waiting to get through intersections through multiple light cycles (e.g., green, yellow, red X 5+).

    Green means GO.
    Red means STOP.
    Yellow means GO A LITTLE FASTER

  47. @D. K.

    In other words, there are two possible outcomes, neither of them good.

    1) You might not arrive.
    2) You might.

  48. Anonymous[273] • Disclaimer says:

    Theres an Agro-planned community in Gilbert called Agritopia. These little planned communities centered around communal hobby farms are popping up and they seem pretty neat compared to a plain old HOA.

  49. @ziel

    Hell my daily commute is 10 miles, 37 minutes, and when I get there I’m in Newark – so all these commutes could be worse – a lot worse.

    Let me guess– it ain’t Branch Brook Park.

  50. @Clifford Brown

    Diversity is a great thing, but the reason why Iraq, Afghanistan and Somalia are failed states is because they lack a sense of national identity

    Somalia is far from diverse. Unless you mean in the way Scotland was in Macbeth’s time.

  51. Thomas says:

    Another thing is LA drivers know how to deal with traffic and will take advantage of any opportunity they can find to move those next two car lengths ahead. Drivers in some other places (*cough* Bay Area *cough* Seattle) often just sit like a deer in the headlights (or behind the headlights, in this case) not knowing what to do when traffic opens up ahead of them.

    BTW, I am betting they commingled the San Jose area into “San Francisco.” City traffic in SF can turn into a real goat rope, as @Malcolm X-Lax pointed out above, but the small size of the city, abundant public transit alternatives like Muni and BART, and a street grid with a lot of alternate arterial routes all soak up some of the mess. San Jose is legendary though even among Bay Aryans for how bad the drivers are.

    • Replies: @Marat
    , @Mike1
  52. GW says:

    Or, I don’t know, deporting the Mexicans might lighten traffic as well.

  53. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT Not a law student here, but if there’s an election I don’t like and I work in government, I’m allowed to stop up the toilets and pull the fire alarm, right? That’s totally how constitutional government works, and it’s something George Washington would have smiled upon?

    Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) Embedded in Federal Government Positions, Actively Resisting. Stuart Karaffa Does Work for DSA While on Taxpayer’s Dime: “I’m careful about it. I don’t leave a paper trail.”

    I have nothing to lose. It’s impossible to fire federal employees.”

  54. slumber_j says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Sop to Steve– the island’s golf course had as close a view of the old World Trade Center as any other… I hated the damned things…

    So it was you!!!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  55. NYC Anon says:

    I can’t find good breakdowns of commuter share, but total LIRR ridership is 250K average rides per day (admittedly including weekends, not accounting for WFH share…). Divide by 2, that’s 125K.

    Long Island’s population is 7 Million. ~4 Million of that is beyond the reach of the subway. The numbers are pretty similar for Metro-North and NJT.

    The average resident of the suburbs works in those same suburbs.

    /Because if you paid me enough money to do that commute every day, you’ve paid me enough to live 20 minutes from work, and I’ll just do that.
    //35-40 minutes to work because the tech industry picked the worst spot in NYC.
    ///Which beats the 90 average I was rocking in Silicon Valley. Never, ever again.

  56. @International Jew

    That’s actually more like the northern third, but, yeah….

  57. Marty T says:

    There are people that commute to nyc from Pennsylvania, two hours away by bus.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  58. @GW

    Nah, Lot likes his taxes high.

    • Replies: @Lot
  59. OT: Haven Monahan’s sister was abused by Keith Ellison, Democrat party Pokemon Diversity current champion:

    Karen Monahan abused by Keith Ellison

    Will the Democrat Left let Keith get #MeTooed?

  60. Now that is a beautiful picture.

    Taken in Newark.

  61. @slumber_j

    So it was you!!!

    If they had listened to my demolition plan, everyone would have been evacuated in plenty of time.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  62. @Anonymous

    If you are interested in retiring to the inland West, figure out what kind of altitude you can handle. Temperature falls 3.6 degrees F per 1000 feet of elevation. But you need to think about how thin an atmosphere you can handle at an older age. My uncle built his retirement dream house at 9,000 feet, but it was too hard on my aunt as she got older.

    • Replies: @Western
    , @Reg Cæsar
  63. Marat says:

    Agreed, LA drivers generally make moving their crates top priority and tend to step lively. They’re also good at sizing up other drivers and planning accordingly. Overall, they used to drive faster while decently safe. However, increasingly generous sprinklings of manana drivers bring down the average. One must keep eyes peeled for flying mattresses and ladders too. Over the last year there seems to be an uptick in sloppy weaving and merging by people driving perfectly decent cars – could legalized pot be a factor?

  64. @Marty T

    There are people that commute to nyc from Pennsylvania, two hours away by bus.

    I knew a guy, a professor, who commuted from central Massachusetts to his teaching job in Pittsburgh. But it was only Monday and Thursday night travel, I think. And he wasn’t the pilot, so he could read, work, or sleep.

    Not bad if the boss pays for it.

  65. Lot says:
    @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Why make me choose? I want mass deportations AND large tax increases on the rich.

    • Agree: Malcolm X-Lax
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @Reg Cæsar
  66. @Marat

    The 134 through Burbank has less traffic than most LA freeways due to mountains nearby, but it’s flat and straight, so the median car speed when not backed up is pretty close to 80 mph.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Thomas
    , @The Alarmist
  67. So, to get a more meaningful stat, we’d need to ask, “of people who don’t telecommute, what’s the average commute?” AND the median.

    We’ve already got the Irish and the Indians to telecommute. Now we just have to get the Africans to do so.

    One thing Africans are good at is learning other languages. We can set up call centers there.

    Heck, we can just pay them– peanuts– to call each other. Productivity isn’t the point. We just have to keep them home.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  68. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT Still not a law student, but Dunning-Krugering to the point of questioning whether regular human governance based upon a written standard is really possible.
    Four congresscritters, none of whom are the entire congress, nor (individually or voltronned) the President, have written to the security services, asking them to ignore the President’s recently announced declassification of the FISA application (which lays clear Democrat dirty tricks during the 2016 campaign).
    I get that they’re trying to delay and have a Spartacus moment. I do not get why anything they say should matter here. The President can run the executive branch almost as he sees fit, and can declassify what he wants; Congress can pass laws (not useful in this time frame), impose “oversight” (it is not clear that this ancient ritual incantation ever had any meaning), and start legal problems (not really applicable here, and not what they’re doing). At no point can individual or camarilla’ed congresscritters interfere with a Presidential order to executive branch personnel unless there’s some much bigger issue, which there isn’t here, and they have wider support within the Congress, which they don’t. Law talkers, am I misunderstanding this? Could McConnell have just gone behind Obama’s back and ordered the Border Patrol to ignore Catch and Release? Every part of this sounds completely wrong except that thing at the end, where the Republicans just roll over and let the Democrats to do whatever they want, which we all know is coming.

  69. theMann says:

    Interesting. Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Austin are now four of the 10 largest cities in the US, and Fort Worth rounds out the top 15. And all of the growing exponentially, not to mention all of the 100-200k cities in the oil patch.

    Interesting. Mass transit is virtually non-existent in Texas cities, in theory there are bus routes, and as far as being a pedestrian or cyclist, if the heat doesn’t kill you, Texas drivers will.

    Interesting that Texas cities are nowhere to be seen in the ridiculous commute time chart. I have never had to deal with Houstopolis, but I can assure you no matter how heavy the traffic is in those other cities, it is moving.

    So is TxDOT just a lot smarter than the rest of the country? I Guarantee you Texas drivers aren’t better than, well, anywhere, so that is not it. Property taxes relieve the need for ridiculous commutes? Seriously, what is the difference between us and the rest of the country that you can get around by car (and fly on the interstate, gotta love the 70-80 MPH speed limits) just about anywhere. I have been in some miserable traffic in Dallas and SA, but it is nothing compared to the two cities on the list that I have experience of, Atlanta and Chicago.

    So what is the deal then? Maybe that no Texan would ever tolerate wasting two to four of his day commuting?

    • Replies: @NYC Anon
    , @slumber_j
  70. Twinkie says:

    Making the LA metro area less pleasant for illegals and non-English-speakers seems like the winning move to me.

    Why not do this for the whole country?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  71. Anonymous[109] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    That bizarre surname coincidence could ruin my “I Believe Karen Monahan” bumper-sticker-hawking side hustle. Or maybe I just add a “Don’t” to have them express the opposite factional sentiment.

    There’s always money in the Monahan

  72. Less than 1/30 workers telecommute, that’s why commuting continues to be a thing.

  73. Fourth worst commute in USA is San Bernardino … and after all that time on the road you still wind up in San Bernardino.

    How much farther till you’re out of Mexico?

  74. NYC Anon says:

    1) They build a lot of housing.
    2) They spread the jobs out.

    The fundamental issue with NYC is that Lower Manhattan has 3-4 Million workers, and doesn’t have 3-4 Million homes.

    And then the only way to move 2.5-3.5 Million people to the same point is via mass transit. And even when mass transit works, it’s pretty slow (And the 3mpH walk to a 5-minute 0 MPH wait for a train isn’t helping). So you have to build 10 mega-skyscraper condo buildings for every mega-skyscraper office building because that’s the only way to get the density, and…. the people in charge will never let that happen.

    Whereas my hometown was about 1K homes per square mile. A 10K job office park/mall combo (and that’s a million or two square feet with another few million square feet in parking, it’s pretty big) sucks in every suburban worker for… 2 miles in every direction. A 2 mile commute in even bad suburban traffic is what? 10 minutes?

    In practice, it’ll never be perfect efficiency, but… it *could be* in a way that the SFBA or NYC never will. And that makes all the difference in the world.

    • Replies: @Logan
  75. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Why not do this for the whole country?

    Be okay with me!

  76. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    It would be funny if a small European country offered unlimited immigration to an African country in return for a land area 3x as large on the African country’s coast. And then the European country moved its entire native population to its new land in Africa and rebuilt its first world country there.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @J.Ross
    , @EdwardM
  77. @Dave Pinsen

    … and died of malaria.


    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Johann Ricke
  78. El Dato says:

    Why would anyone do that?

    Now the US market will be flooded by badly colored mango.

  79. Western says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I was thinking of St George, Ut or Cedar City. It’s not quite as hot in St George as Las Vegas or Phoenix, but I think many people are doing it now.

    Far northern California might be nice. I am not talking about SF, but much farther north like the Mt Shasta area. I don’t know if that would be a good area or not to retire.

    Rural Oregon and Washington might be good places to retire.

  80. @Western

    Bend, Oregon is in the desert at middling altitude but it has a lot of water coming down from the wet mountains just west of it. It’s pretty expensive, though.

    Think about fires, though, in any place out west that’s not barren desert.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    , @Anonymous
  81. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Driving 80 to 85 even on urban highways with no chance of tickets because that’s the speed of the left two lanes is a California thing that makes the state more civilized than almost everywhere back east.

    My favorite spots are probably the OC toll roads. The median car on the road is a 2014 330i, maintenance is spectacular, scenery is superb, moderate to large hills and twists throughout.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  82. @Steve Sailer

    My uncle built his retirement dream house at 9,000 feet, but it was too hard on my aunt as she got older.

    Tell us that wasn’t his intention!

  83. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen

    South Africa and Rhodesia.
    There’s no point at which they just leave us alone.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    , @Reg Cæsar
  84. @Lot

    Driving 80 to 85 even on urban highways with no chance of tickets because that’s the speed of the left two lanes is a California thing that makes the state more civilized than almost everywhere back east.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  85. Lot says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    No DP is right. Defeating tropical diseases is a western thing. South Florida and the TX coastline are quite malarial climates. If Ghana was suddenly home to 5 million Walloons and nobody else, malaria would be gone in 3 years or less. It would be tres jolie.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  86. anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    How is Detroit not on there?!

    This is a list of average commute times. It presupposes working for a living.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  87. anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    Is that really true? I didn’t even know it was possible to be 60 games out of first place. Been awhile since I followed baseball.

    • Replies: @Captain Tripps
  88. anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew

    Ah yes, Redding. Middle-American (that’s the good part) near much natural beauty (that’s the other good part). But 1) part of California (politically); 2) 105 degrees in summer and 3) several feet of snow in winter. It’s all yours.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @CJ
  89. anonymous[338] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Okay, even I have to admit that was incredibly funny.

  90. Thomas says:
    @Steve Sailer

    The triangle between the 134, 5 and 2 also gives drivers trying to get between the Valley, downtown, and Pasadena options. (Compare it to the mess you often get at the 101 and 405, where there are no good alternate routes.)

  91. Thomas says:

    Rural Oregon and Washington might be good places to retire.

    Washington has been getting choked by wildfire smoke from the Cascades and British Columbia for two summers in a row now. If that becomes a regular climate pattern, it won’t be a decent place for retirees or their lungs.

    • Replies: @vinny
  92. J.Ross says: • Website

    The people who work in Detroit live in Birmingham, Royal Oak, Grosse Pointe, Harper Woods, Saint Clair Shores, Livonia, Windsor, Toledo, etc.. Detroit is permanently attached to the problem of commuting because of white flight and because Detroit was historically important in developing commuting. Whereas Chicago’s ring highways are famously designed to make it easy to enter and hard to leave, Detroit has a grand trunk of highways cutting right through the city center and leading straight out.

  93. Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s pretty normal for Londoners to typically spend 90minutes commuting one way – just to get from one side of the London metropolis to the other, a distance not greater than 20 miles – such is the state of London’s roads, (basically dating from Victorian times when personal motorized transport did not exist), and the extreme population density of London.
    The London tube – with its undersized loading gauge – is appallingly over crowded during the rush hour, and hardly ever travels at speeds greater than 15 mph. Add to the fact that it doesn’t serve huge swathes London south of the Thames, where one must rely on snail paced buses and the over priced and quirky legacy rail system.

    Many commuters to London living in the ‘home counties’ rely on the rail network. Extremely expensive, crowded and unreliable. Commutes of two hours plus, one way are normal. Commuters are either priced out of living in London or not too keen on ‘vibrancy’.

    • Replies: @Lot
  94. Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Talking of Pokemon, the American lugenpresse is currently having paroxysms about Stormy Daniels, (she should know about this sort of thing – she fondles them for a living), comparing the Presidential membrum virile to the ‘Toad’ character in the ‘Mario Kart’ video game.

    Not knowing who or what ‘Toad’ is or was, I had to Google his image – which is trending rapidly.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  95. @Nathan

    Hell, as anyplace else outside of San Bernardino ain’t Heaven.

    Decidedly apropos, Belinda Carlisle of the Go-Gos made it famous thirty-one years ago this month with her power ballad “Heaven Is a Place on Earth,” a surreptitious ceremony debuting the I-10 HOV lane.

  96. Rosie says:

    True. But how about we throw out the people making the cities unliveable for us and our families, and move back?

    Now you’re talkin’!

  97. @Jim Don Bob

    Orioles? Didn’t there used to be a baseball team that went by that name?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  98. Rosie says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    Mine is go downstairs, feed and walk the dogs, eat breakfast, walk 3 blocks to McDonalds for coffee with my peeps, then back to my second floor office that overlooks the birdbath in my back yard. I don’t use a tank of gas a month unless I leave town.

    Lol. No commute for me either, except for shuttling the kids here and there, usually not during rush hour, by the grace of God.

  99. Either the traffic has gotten better in NYC, or the sample is deeply flawed.

  100. @Steve Sailer

    After spending too much time too many times on the I-95 parking lot from CT to NYC, I found doing 80mph while bumper-to-bumper on the Pomona Freeway to be refreshing.

  101. anon[349] • Disclaimer says:

    These commute times seem low. I suspect that people are underestimating; maybe only counting highway drive-time and not including time to get to/off the highway.

    Other than maybe an eccentric here or there, no one lives close enough to a reasonably large (say 100+) employer to walk or bike; these employers are not located near enough to (walkable) neighborhoods.

    Well-known for heavy traffic, my 30-mile commute to the Rt. 128 area outside Boston was consistently 45 mins. w/o any hangups; and that was 35 years ago. Now it’s one mile, 1500 miles from Boston.

  102. @Reg Cæsar

    … and died of malaria.


    Most of Southeast Asia was malarial. It isn’t any more. I’m confident Europeans won’t have a problem. They’ll also overcome any squeamishness about spraying after the first hundred cases of malaria.

  103. Anonym says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Liberace? Liberace is awesome. The flair, the passion, the romance! Steve should be honored.

    Maybe the SPLC will explain it to the goyim later (as per Sammy David Jr).

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  104. Logan says:

    Possibly. Except the logistics of black market gas are insurmountable in practical terms. A tank of gas has little in common with a carton of cigarettes.

  105. Logan says:
    @NYC Anon

    A 2 mile commute in even bad suburban traffic is what? 10 minutes?

    Not to mention that 2 miles is a very reasonable walking or biking commute.

    I lived several years in Sacramento, 15 miles from the office. Generally commuted by bike, but when I took the car my commute time was very similar. Except of course that commute time by car was much less predictable due to variable traffic conditions.

    In that case I could travel 90% of the distance on a designated bike path. A bicycle commute of that distance on roads shared with cars is not a safe proposition.

  106. My son-in-law commutes from his job in the Pentagon four hours round trip to rural Maryland. He works with a guy who commutes from Gettysburg.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  107. @anonymous

    Yes its possible because of a combination of three things:

    1. Boston has been incredibly good this season.
    2. Baltimore has been incredibly bad this season.
    3. Both play in the same division.

    As of this morning (19 Sep 2018), Boston is 103-48, and Baltimore is 43-108, ergo 60 games out of first place.

  108. JMcG says:

    I’ll be in Ireland the first week of October if anyone’s interested in an ISteve meetup. A suitable distance away from Dublin mind you.

  109. @Marat

    This brings to mind my three years in LA, 1997-2000. When I moved there other drivers would honk at me for reasons I couldn’t identify, but I must have adapted because the honking at me became much less frequent after the first couple months. One driving issue I can remember is left turns. A lot of busy interesections in LA did not have left-turn-only lights, so left-turners had to be ready for any fraction of an opportunity to turn and take it, such as jetting across in front of on-coming traffic as soon as the lights turned green.

    • Replies: @ganderson
  110. c matt says:

    How do they measure commute? In Houston, it takes me close to an hour at peak traffic, so we have all of them beat.

  111. slumber_j says:

    I Guarantee you Texas drivers aren’t better than, well, anywhere, so that is not it.

    I’d say that in fact drivers from, for example, Bangladesh and Cairo are significantly worse on average than Texas drivers. And in NYC we have far, far more Cairene and Bangladeshi drivers (professional drivers, that is, whom someone effectively imported for the purpose) than Texan drivers.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  112. @Jim Don Bob

    Is easily $2,000 and up for a one BR one BA, or $3,000 to $5,000 for most 2 BR 2 BA, plus parking, plus utilities, enough for you? Did you read the part where we live in LA?

    Were you going to tell us you’re not impressed and that’s not so bad compared to San Fran or manhattan or Tokyo? Unless you’re in the top few percent of income earners and/or have two excellent incomes with zero kids to one kid, this area’s housing costs are insane just as I claimed.

    Perhaps you have an unusually high income and are overestimating what people actually earn.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  113. Mike1 says:

    The nice thing about LA traffic is that you KNOW what people around you are going to do: the self interested thing. It makes the mayhem fairly navigable. Cities like Salt Lake are infuriating because you have people doing whatever in every lane: someone is doing 40 in the fast lane so you move to the middle lane where an LDS Bishop tailgates you at 85.

    • LOL: RadicalCenter
  114. L Woods says:

    Fastest way to reinvigorate space exploration: start a rumor that a group of white people have escaped to Mars.

  115. Mike1 says:

    Before I lived in Chandler for four years I was convinced you could find interesting things to do anywhere on earth. It took me two years to work out I was wrong and that some places really are soul destroying.
    It also took me two years to positively identify which house on the street was mine as I turned into the street. Google a Chandler street and you will see why.
    Watching old people who genuinely think they are cool is a weird feature of Maricopa County. You see social interactions that are unrefined high school moments.
    Every person in wider Phoenix wants to move to San Diego. I’m not sure there is a single exception. I have a family member who has a very senior position at a very well known Phoenix company who actually tells people he lives in California. This is someone who has a post graduate degree, employs large numbers of very highly educated people and he tells people – in the same feakin company – that he lives in a different state.

  116. dwb says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    The Orioles have a chance to set the modern American League record for most distant finish. In 1939, the Saint Louis Browns finished an incredible 64 games out of first (in a season with 154 games).

    It will be tough with only 11 games left, but it’s doable.

    Ironically, the Browns are the pre-Baltimore “Orioles.”

  117. @RadicalCenter

    I was asking, not arguing. Studios around here are $1500 plus parking plus utilities.

  118. Anonymous[374] • Disclaimer says:

    Puts a whole new meaning on the phrase ‘presidential timber’.

  119. Anonymous[374] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Cue the camp video of Liberace – clad in stars ‘n’ stripe shorts – prancing, on stage, to the National Anthem.

    Undoubtedly the campiest piece of television I’ve ever seen. Makes Quentin Crisp look like Arnold Schwarzenegger.

  120. Anonymous[374] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘Cairene’ drivers?

    Perhaps that explains the piles of camel dung in NYT parking lots.

  121. dwb says:

    For those unfamiliar, San Francisco is physically really small (it is less than 50 miles square), so theoretically, public transit should work like a charm.

    In reality, Muni is a horrible system.

    I live pretty close to the geographic centre of the city (which is, oddly, called “Mt Olympus,” believe it or not). So, if one were to draw a square around the city, there is nowhere in the city that is more than 5 miles from my door. I *should* be able to get from home to anywhere in the city in less than 20 minutes. A five mile trip in 20 minutes is an average of 15 mils per hour.

    But Muni…Oy.

    There is one central axis for the trains that runs under Market St, but branches out around the Castro Street station (less than a mile from Mt Olympus). From there, many of the trains above ground in traffic. So, they are stuck with all the cars.

    This has the unfortunate effect that traffic jams, idiots holding the doors open, etc. means that Muni trains are the slowest in the whole country. Just this morning, as I stood waiting for the J Church line, there was NO train arriving at my spot for 16 minutes. Trains then arrived at 16, 18, and 22 minutes.

    And once our train joined the central trunk, we waited for 5 minutes to enter the tunnel, despite NO J trains being ahead of us for 16 minutes. So, from the time I arrived at my station until the time I got off at work (a trip of three miles) took 45 minutes.

    This is typical.

    The trains break down. There are frequent delays – often with no reason given. The buses are on clogged streets and are even worse.

    This says nothing about the filth (underground stations are full of bums, junkies who are shooting up right in the open and who are as high as a kite, the smell of urine).

    And then we can look at the people who are in commuter hell driving up on one of only two freeways from the peninsula (the 280 and the 101), or worse, who live in the east bay and have to come across the Bay Bridge…

    • Replies: @Anon
  122. dwb says:

    Or Kingman….

    • Replies: @DCThrowback
  123. dwb says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    The median price for a house sold in San Francisco in the first half of 2018 was $1.6 million.

    If that is not insane, I am not sure what is.

    • Replies: @Anon
  124. ganderson says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg: When I taught in NYC one of our parents was a Coast Guard guy- he took me and one of my colleagues out to play golf on Governor’s Island. One of my fondest golf-related memories. Even better than playing at Theodore Wirth! I hear the course isn’t there anymore. True? (Governors Island, I mean!)

    I also played a lot at Weequahic Park in Newark. Extremely vibrant! When you walked up the 18th and turned around you got a great view of the Twin Towers and the lower Manhattan skyline.

  125. I call shenanigans on the DC figure. When I lived there, I knew NO ONE who had less than a half-hour who could possibly be balancing out the Beltway Warriors. Now that the Wheaton-Silver Spring corridor has been thoroughly Meso-Americanized, there’re a lot of people who have to go a very long way for work from affordable housing. Maybe the generation that grew up with “Friends” and “Seinfeld” live in overpriced rentals west of Rcck Creek in enough numbers that their five-block walks average stuff out, but it doesn’t seem credible…

  126. Lot says:

    London driving is complicated by the charming/stupid practice of having roads change names every 5-20 blocks. I am sure locals get used to it, but you all probably have at least a few needlessly confused drivers slowing things down at all times.

  127. @Irishman

    You Euros are supposed to have cheap trains and buses to take you to work. At least, that’s the propaganda over here. I’ve been to Europe twice, and both times I was astounded at the traffic. They pay all that gas tax and they still have to sit in horrible traffic jams?

  128. @Steve Sailer

    Yep, all summer long you’ll be breathing smoke. Redding area also has this problem. Heck, the rural communities on the way to Tahoe have this problem.

  129. Anonymous[273] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Also think about nursing homes for the future. When you first start needing help, you’ll live with your kids. But eventually everyone ends up in the home, including the parents of children who swore that would never happen. It happens.

    So let’s say in 20 years you need a nursing home. Do you want to be near LA for that? Are you a big enough cheese to get into the exclusive home? Because if you aren’t, consider moving somewhere smaller with less diversity- thinking of staff here- where you can afford the nicest one around. You’ll also make friends in your new town and they can visit you when you are infirm.

    You dont want to be shipped to this new location at 88 years old, only to be confused about where you are and never have any visitors. Move somewhere nicer *now* so you dont have to go to sleep hearing the muffled cries of a female patient being raped by a Haitian orderly.

    Move to the gentle, comfy place now while you still can.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  130. @Stephen Paul Foster

    It’s infuriating that we need to waste our lives, and precious time with our families, just to get from “what’s left of America, sort of” to “what looks and feels little like America but still hogs the government jobs.”

  131. @Logan

    You’re right. Yet jackass bike riders in LA do it every day.

  132. @Logan

    PS But two miles is not a reasonable walk in hot and/or humid weather, if you don’t want to smell bad when you get to work.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Logan
  133. @anonymous

    No matter where you live in California, you’re hit with the exorbitant state income tax and onerous statewide restrictions on your right to own and bear guns in self-defense.

    And one can go far, far from the big cities and still be surprisingly inundated with Mexicans. Gotta love that big-ass low-intellect low-trust Mexican culture, and California makes it increasingly hard to escape.

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    , @Anon
  134. @Reg Cæsar

    If California is civilized, we have different definitions of civilization.

  135. @Western

    Funny you mention Saint George. My sister who used to lecture and berate my parents and me about our raaaaaaacism …. moved to the whitest county in America when it came time to retire, somewhere near Saint George.

    I called her on it, and she became sheepish and uncomfortable. She still insisted that her decision was motivated by “safety, scenery, and the great people”, not by race. Uh-huh.

  136. @Western

    If you’re not going to be near a big city in Cali, why pick somewhere in Cali when you can be in OR with no sales tax, or WA with no income tax, among other financial, legal, and cultural differences.

    • Replies: @Western
    , @Anon
  137. @The Alarmist

    If civilized people aren’t going to forcibly reclaim and clean out Baltimore, which is nowhere on the horizon, then the orioles should build their next stadium in the suburbs.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  138. @Lot

    Throw in a repeal of the income tax for the non-rich, and an end to birthright citizenship, chain migration, and the diversity visa lottery, and you’ve got my vote.

  139. CJ says:

    Redding averages 5.5 inches of snow a year. Not that I’ve ever seen any there; every time I’ve stopped over in winter I got up in the morning to see people riding motorcycles in T-shirts.

  140. Pat Boyle says:
    @Steve Sailer

    When I lived in San Francisco somebody offered me a big job in San Bernardino. I think it was Grand Vizier. But wouldn’t go there for anything less than Emperor.

  141. @Steve Sailer

    Me too, except I have an actual room across the hall. I even saved the old wood paneling because it looks “office like.”

    Just don’t become this guy:

  142. Not sure what the term “longest commute” means. From where to where?”New York” (meaning NYC) for example is over 300 square miles and consists of five counties a/k/a boroughs. A commute from Mt. Kisco, NY (northern Westchester County) to the Fordham section of The Bronx is a lot shorter than a commute to Staten Island (Richmond County). LA is nearly 500 square miles and is situated within the much larger LA County. A commute from Thousand Oaks (Ventura County) to Woodland Hills is a lot shorter than a commute to Downtown LA or Century City.

    • Replies: @Anon
  143. Tombstone shadow, stretching across my path
    Tombstone shadow, stretching across my path
    Every time I get some good news, Ooh
    There’s a shadow on my back

    Saw the gypsy man, ‘way down in San Berdoo
    Said, I saw the gypsy man, ‘way down in San Berdoo
    Five dollars on the table, Ooh
    Keep me ‘way from my tomb

    - Tombstone Shadow
    Creedence Clearwater Revival

  144. @prosa123

    Seriously. I can get from the 57 to the Staples Center in about 25-30 minutes on the 10. If I want to keep pushing on to Santa Monica or somewhere northwest, I have to add on another 80.

  145. @Carol

    I can’t imagine commuting up and down the Cajon Pass every day. Ick.

    But hundreds of thousands of people live out in those high desert communities now. I think some of them commute into, not only SB, but LA county!

  146. @RadicalCenter

    Maybe we could get the Royal Navy to bombard Baltimore a second time.

  147. Western says:

    Good idea. I didn’t know WA had no income tax.

  148. ATBOTL says:

    No one who hasn’t lived in the NYC area can comprehend the crowding, traffic, long commutes and general shitty quality of life.

    LA traffic is a joke. It’s only in a few places and is on a very predictable schedule. Here, traffic jams can trap you for hours anywhere, at any time of day or night.

    • Replies: @Anon
  149. @Lot

    If Ghana was suddenly home to 5 million Walloons and nobody else, malaria would be gone in 3 years or less.

    How’d that work out in Rwanda, Burundi, and the Congo?

    The only notable Walloon that comes to mind is Curly Lambeau. He was based in Green Bay. Which leads to my second point.

    It would be tres jolie.

    Yeah, for the first generation and a half. But white people need weather to thrive. Monsoons don’t count.

  150. @J.Ross

    South Africa and Rhodesia.
    There’s no point at which they just leave us alone.

    Those countries would have survived had they practiced segregation and did their own laundry.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    , @J.Ross
  151. @Lot

    Why make me choose? I want mass deportations AND large tax increases on the rich.

    You don’t understand. You are the rich.

    Southerners led the way in establishing the income tax, then were surprised when one of their own, Tommy Wilson, stuck it to them to pay for his cockamamie war. Can’t say they weren’t warned.

  152. Fourth worst commute in USA is San Bernardino … and after all that time on the road you still wind up in San Bernardino.

    I hate to be an “Actually…” but I suspect it’s not quite that bad for the following reasons:

    1. I’m willing to wager that if we dive into the Census ACS data (the source for the commute times listed), we’ll find that they calculated average commute times with residence geography as their filter, rather than workplace geography, and that “San Bernardino” and “LA” refer to the
    MSAs which respectively comprise the counties of San Bernardino & Riverside, and Los Angeles & Orange.

    2. Related to 1, my in-laws and several hundred thousand other people commute from Riverside County down the 91 freeway to jobs in more pleasant Orange County every day.

  153. @Anonym

    Malagueña is the work of a white Cuban, Ernesto Lecuona, whose other recognizable standard is Andalucía, or “The Breeze and I” in its pop version.

    Málaga. Andalucía. Gee, he had a thing for the mother country, didn’t he?

    Liberace was baptized Władziu, by the way.

    (Damn, I miss my iMac, iPad, and iPhone. Diacriticals were so easy on those. Chrome? “Ctrl-Shift-U, 00WTF…” ¡Şçŗęщ Ğöøğłœ!)

  154. I had a pretty typical commute from Oakland to SF every morning and it took, door to door, almost an hour and a half.

    There is no way in hell that the average commute time in SF is _only_ half an hour

    • Replies: @Anon
  155. @RadicalCenter

    onerous statewide restrictions on your right to own and bear guns in self-defense.

    When I lived in CA I lived in those hotbeds of conservatism and 2nd amendment rights – San Francisco and then San Mateo counties so alas did not have a CCW permit. My understanding however is that concealed carry permit issuance is left to the county sheriffs so if you’re in one of the more white and right-leaning counties, they’re obtainable. You need to be an actual resident, but for example one of my bay area friends obtained his permit in Shasta County. He lives up there a few months of the year and is fairly well known.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anon
  156. @RadicalCenter

    RC, hard to have a horse farm in Manhattan.

  157. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    They also would have survived if the West did not decide to abandon them.
    I’m not sure that they would have been left alone, though. They would have attracted the same anger from Marxists since they would be an Hispaniola-like proof that environment doesn’t matter. They would attract the same anger from the decolonization movement since they would be colonies. They would atttact the same anger from Africans since they would be disrupting ubuntu. Look at the information control work Israel does outside of Israel; how long would they last without it?

    • Replies: @Anon
  158. vinny says:

    Much of the interior Northwest is this way. Cold snowy winters, hot dry summers, and lots of August smoke. September can be pretty nice though.

  159. moshe says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    You were stationed on Governor’s Island? I love that place. It’s like a universe away from Downtown. Incredible. Though I imagine being stationed there is different than going there to enjoy a non-nyc mindset for an afternoon.

    BTW, what’s the deal with the synagogue there? Did you ever see it in use?

  160. Anonymous[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @William Badwhite

    As with blacks, all mestizos have guns, or that’s the way to bet. Go up to the Bullet Hole on Wednesdays when women shoot free and it’s packed with mestizas, albeit most of them legal second generation ones from the Dot (KCK, especially around the Argentine area by the BNSF yard).

    I have a female friend who sells a lot of 1911s in .38 Super, usually nickel or stainless, at a local big box hunting/outdoor place. All one hundred percent legal with valid ID and a 4473. Buyers are almost always medium to heavy mestizos or occasionally pure indio looking, she hasn’t sold one to a non Spanish surnamed white or black. It isn’t exactly legal to take them back to Mexico, but it’s a lot more illegal to take one back in 9mm or .45 ACP, as military calibers are banned in almost all Latin countries, ostensibly to suppress revolutions, but really to keep military ammo supplies from being stolen and resold.

  161. Escher says:

    Yup, especially since it is the place where McDonalds was born.

  162. AHfOH says:

    They did NOT look at Houston. I assure you, they did NOT look at Houston.

  163. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Public transportation is great; except for the public.

    My best commute was walking 2 miles each way. It was a bit faster than the bus and a lot faster than driving and waiting in line to get into the parking garage.

    The numerous freeways and major streets are very well laid out. It’s just that too many immigrants clog up the city.

    At 8am in a Sunday morning I ran into a major traffic jam about 5o miles south of Salinas on the 101 It took an hour and a half at 2 miles an hour to get through. No traffic accidents or road repair. Just cars going north.

  164. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @William Badwhite

    Shasta’s famous for giving permits to people from all over the state.

  165. Anon[365] • Disclaimer says:
    @Used To Live In California

    Even getting from Sea. Cliff to downtown south of market to 850 Bryant took about 40 minutes.

  166. Anon[365] • Disclaimer says:

    California is an agricultural state. The agricultural areas are full of Mexicans. So are other agricultural states like eastern washington, Nebraska Kansas Iowa.

    From farm to processing plant to wholesale warehouse to market and restaurant wherever you find food you’ll find Mexicans.

  167. Anon[365] • Disclaimer says:

    So what, you commute hundreds of miles a day from your home in Wa to your job in Ca?

    Better maintain an official address in Nevada only 200 miles away.

  168. Anon[365] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    You’re right about muni. One hour from sea cliff to St Mary’s hospital about 2 miles

    One hour muni from 32nd av and Taraval to the forest hills station near twin peaks about 2 miles or less.

    And all the guide books and New Comers guide books brag about our wonderful muni system

    Worst is that horrible arrangement going north on the 280 when you have to go across about 8 lanes of heavy traffic to get west to 19th av or else you end up funneled east to the bay and the Oakland bridge

    At least San Francisco is on a grid, not the San Mateo mass of snarled streets going in all directions.

    There one place where if you want to go south on PCH you have to go north for several miles on the freeway and then a big confusing mess to get back going south. Burlingame streets look like a mess of circular streets dead end spaghetti.

    San Mateo is the only place I’ve ever had to use GPS.

  169. Anon[365] • Disclaimer says:

    We can afford it. Ha ha. What is shocking is how dumpy those expensive houses are.

    Still, mostly being built before the horrible mid century everybody’s a prole architecture at least San Francisco houses have real kitchens, real dining rooms real living rooms real front halls and hall closets instead of one badly proportioned horrible designed walk
    In walk through space that is supposed to serve as kitchen dining area living room from hall home office.

    And they can actually be decorated in something else than white walls and beige floors with half the living room being the kitchen and the rest being the main traffic area from the door to the rest of the house

    If you like real rooms and a nicely decorated house instead of prole White walls beige floors and the kitchen in the living room San Francisco is the place to live
    Contrast to walk in walk through suburban living rooms, San Francisco homes are very easy to keep clean because the kids walk right into a hall that leads directly to their bedrooms instead of the living room kitchen.

  170. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Best thing a Californian can do is rent out the overpriced home and stay in the 6,000 a month nursing home and then the overpriced home can pass to your children and great chikdren

    A lot of savvy Californians put the kids in the house as joint tenants or better yet everybody as tenants in common as soon as they are born It ups the property taxes but it means your children and grand children won’t lose the house because of inheritance taxes which are very high.

    The best property to but right now is 100 mikes east of San Jose. Silicon Valley is expanding through the Central Valley and will probably reach the mountains in 50 years.

    You can rent a little house to 25 Mexicans Chinese or Indians for a huge sum and preserve the property for your kids.

    Affirmative action means Whites can’t work but we can still be landlords and property developers. At least till Jewish attorneys file an affirmative action law suit and Christian judges rule that Whites should no longer be allowed to own property.

    Do you guys never think of your children’s future? A college education and skills mean nothing in the land of affirmative action real estate is all we have left.

  171. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    In those nice little towns in the south the nursing home attendants are vicious American black women. What makes you think nursing homes in nice White areas hire nice White attendants?. Like the farmers and restaurants nursing homes will import the dreck of the world rather than hire an American White.

    Rent out your house for $7,000 a month and pay $6,000 a month for the nursing home. You’ve never heard of Medicare have you? . No matter how rich you are, Medicare pays a big chunk of nursing home costs

  172. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    I walked 2 miles to UCLA every day rather than spend more time and irritation in a car or in a bus. I never smelled as I just ambled along.

  173. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Prester John

    Whoever wrote the ridiculous article never spoke with commuters or went to the city They probably used map quest.

    First time I used it was Beverly Hills to Woodland Hills Map quest claimed 17 minutes. Maybe 4/am Sunday if you drive 90 miles an hour

  174. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Seattle relatives visit me in Loa Angeles a lot during the winter now they’re retired. They’re very impressed with the street layout, easy to get around grid lack of traffic and potholes.

  175. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Oppenheim who owns de Beers and the gold mines and everything else went in TV and bragged that “ we were behind the destruction of apartheid and affirmative action all the time”

  176. EdwardM says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    I am waiting for Qatar to do this (maybe they will, given their current isolation). Only 350K Qatari citizens, around 10-15% of the country’s population, with an unlimited supply of gas.

    If I were the emir of Qatar, I would abandon my inhospitable patch of sand. Leave it as the gas factory, with the bare minimum number of Africans needed to extract it while living in shipping containers, setting up sex or gambling or drug tourism businesses on the side (who cares), and send the checks every month to the Qataris’ new home in a comfortable, currently low-density place like the coast of Namibia or Gabon, or Zanzibar or Madagascar, which they could acquire, swap populations, and (hire Westerners to) build up.

    Of course they’d need a cadre of German engineers to, er, manage the productivity of the workers, but that is solvable. A win-win.

  177. Logan says:

    Nor is a 15 mile commute by bike, regardless of the weather. Only works if you have a way to shower and change at work.

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