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From New York Magazine:

JULY 9, 2019
How Jeffrey Epstein Made His Money: Four Wild Theories
By Matt Stieb

Financial Conspiracy Theory #1: Ponzi scheme

A Ponzi scheme has been floated as a possible source of Epstein’s wealth since as early as 2009, when Business Insider noted that multiple red flags pointed to a possible Madoff-like fraud. The secrecy of his client list; the “administrative” nature of all 150 of his employees in 2002; the absolute control over investors’ money, and the $1 billion basement investment required — all signs could point to Ponzi, although there’s no concrete evidence. In the story, finance writer John Carney raised a vital question, considering Epstein’s (limited) time in jail during the 2008 financial crisis: “How could Epstein’s one-man show not fall apart while he was in jail during one of the most volatile years in history?”

In addition, one of his early employers in finance, Steve Hoffenberg, was convicted of running one of the largest pre-Madoff Ponzi schemes in U.S. history. … In a separate New York state case in 2018, Hoffenberg reportedly detailed Epstein’s alleged involvement in the scam.

Theory #2: Blackmail

As the Intercept D.C. bureau chief Ryan Grim noted, a piece of evidence detailed in the SDNY’s detention memo could hold a great deal of blackmail potential:

Ryan Grim

CD’s in Epstein’s safe labeled: “Young [Name] + [Name]”

That looks an awful lot like they found the blackmail tapes

And in a 2015 court filing, alleged Epstein victim Virginia Roberts Giuffre claims that U.S. authorities were in possession of footage of her having sex with members of Epstein’s elite friend group. “Based on my knowledge of Epstein and his organization, as well as discussions with the FBI, it is my belief that federal prosecutors likely possess videotapes and photographic images of me as an underage girl having sex with Epstein and some of his powerful friends,” she said. Giuffre claimed that Epstein “debriefed her” after she was forced into sexual encounters so that he could possess “intimate and potentially embarrassing information” to blackmail friends into parking their money with him.

There are, however, laws against blackmail. For example, Bill Cosby and David Letterman had their blackmailers imprisoned.

Theory #3: Epstein “Belonged to Intelligence”

One of the more mysterious quotes of this whole conspiracy-adjacent mess comes from Alexander Acosta, the current Labor secretary, who arranged for Epstein to get off with just a wrist-slap in 2007, when he was a U.S. attorney. According to Vicky Ward, when Acosta was being interviewed for the Labor secretary job, he was asked if his involvement in the Epstein case would be a problem during his confirmation hearings.

… “I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’ and to leave it alone,” he told his interviewers …

Whether that’s the American intelligence community, the greater point-one-percent brain trust, or just a garbage excuse, the answer was good enough for the Trump administration to go forward with Acosta’s nomination.

You know, there are more “intelligence” agencies in this world than those.

For example, Epstein’s partner in pimpery, Ghislaine Maxwell, is the daughter of Robert Maxwell, another shady billionaire. Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh, who broke the news of the My Lai massacre among much else, reported in his 1991 book The Samson Option, that Robert Maxwell had ties to Mossad. Maxwell was also alleged to have had ties to the KGB.

By the way, the Netanyahus, father and son, are currently barking about Epstein’s ties to their rival, former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak, who recently threw his hat into the ring in the upcoming election:

Meanwhile, Bibi is having legal problems over his relationship with his own Bond Villain-like donor, movie producer and nuclear spy Arnon Milchan.

Theory #4: Offshore Tax Schemes / Money Laundering

Because Epstein’s wealth is held offshore and is shrouded in mystery, some speculate that he may have made his money in tax schemes or money laundering. According to a well-developed, if factually void, pan-conspiracist take from finance Twitter’s Quantian, Epstein could have blackmailed his social circle into investing with him, then dumped the cash in an offshore account to avoid taxes. Or, similar to the Ponzi scheme conspiracy — and, again, without basis in fact — there is so little paperwork on the funds that the whole thing could just be a rig for money laundering.

A general question is whether Epstein’s money comes from one single grift, in the manner of Bernie Madoff relentlessly running his pyramid scheme for year after year, or from an array of grifts, in the manner of his ex-girlfriend’s dad Robert Maxwell.

I get the impression, however, that few remember Robert Maxwell, even though he was an extremely interesting guy.

Because everybody knows that only conspiracy theorists believe in conspiracies, but since Maxwell’s entire life was one conspiracy after another, his entertaining memory Does Not Compute and has largely been forgotten.

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  1. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    Wow …. ” just wow”

    Stephen D Sailer does not play…

    Seldom mentioned thoguh copyrighted through long use, @Isteve

    They approached him for the biography, but our turned down millions ???

  2. JohnnyD says:

    Epstein having connections to the Mossad sounds plausible. But at the same time, did Israel really need Epstein to blackmail American elites, when they can just use their powerful lobby and Jewish billionaires like Sheldon Adelson?

  3. Cortes says:

    Or like the manager of the Beatles, Brian Samuel Epstein?

    From Wikipedia:

    “As a gay man, Epstein had to observe great discretion in public, since homosexuality was still illegal in the UK, although he tolerated a certain amount of banter about it in private. (John Lennon quipped that his memoirs A Cellarful of Noise should have been titled A Cellarful of Boys.) On the day of his death, a group of rent boys had failed to arrive by appointment at his country house, and he returned to London, where he died of a drug overdose, ruled as accidental.”

    • Replies: @guest
    , @Charon
  4. I take it, the circus has commenced.

  5. By their nature, Ponzi schemes have to keep expanding or “pyramiding.” They have to keep paying out huge returns in order to attract new investor money to pay the huge returns, which can only be paid with yet more new investors.

    So it would be pretty impossible to keep a big, long-term Ponzi scheme on the down-low with only a few well-heeled investors. By the time Maddoff imploded, half the wealthy Jews in America has some money in his funds.

    My wild speculative guess is that: (a) Epstein’s probably not as wealthy as people imagine; and (b) His money probably came from some insider-trading scheme, perhaps facilitated by blackmail/bribery of powerful people based on his underage sex pimping.

    BTW, is anybody keeping track of Bill Clinton’s whereabouts? I would not be surprised to learn that he has decided to take a long-term “vacation” in a country without an extradition treaty.

    • Replies: @Charon
  6. Tony says:

    The Beatles wrote a song about Maxwell and his silver hammer.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  7. There are some people, like the late Mr. Maxwell, that TPTB wish we would all just forget about.

  8. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:

    By the way, the Netanyahus, father and son, are currently barking about Epstein’s ties to their rival, former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak:

    The Netanyahus wouldn’t be barking like this if Epstein were a Mossad asset.

  9. guest says:

    Blackmail is different than being bought or bribed. It’s not part of the Cash Nexus, where you’re perpetually calculating what’s owed and what’s been paid. It’s an older kind of human interaction, where one party attempts to own another. Or partly own. At least for a while.

    There are things people won’t do for money but will do if you own them.

  10. anon[371] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m guessing if there is a blackmail scheme it will also point towards conspirators, who are indirectly connected to the Israeli state. It is unbelievably risky for one person to go around blackmailing people. The victims will simply panic and go to the authorities.

    Much better if there is another conspirator who can politely hint to the victim that their secret is known. Then they later suggest investing in a certain hedge fund or donating to a certain pro-Jewish cause. Leave the victim wondering if they are even being blackmailed or not, and that they have little to lose by going along. It would be difficult to prove.

    Also worth noting this all occurred before the wide-spread use of smart phones. It would be much more difficult to pull this off today.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @guest
    , @Thoughts
  11. Tiny Duck says:

    Why are so many white male Christians like Epstein pedophiles?

    Has anyone determined what makes this group so deplorable and perverse?

    • LOL: Alfa158
    • Troll: IHTG, reiner Tor
  12. @anon

    Bill Cosby and David Lettermen had people blackmailing them arrested and imprisoned.

    • Replies: @216
    , @Dave Pinsen
    , @Not Raul
  13. guest says:

    I remember hearing a story that on a trip to London in his youth Epstein had been robbed of his belongings and instead of telling his parents what happened he worked to earn enough money to return to Liverpool. Which was probably a result of being “rolled” while looking for Rough Trade.

    They try to justify such recklessness as the only option for lonely gays in the days of the Big Closet. Meaning it was a choice between propositioning strangers outside public bathrooms or going without. Which was dramatized recently when Hugh Grant played 60s politician Jeremy Thorpe in A Very English Scandal. In that role he conspired to murder a kept boy who became too much of a nuisance. At one point we see flashbacks to the crapshoot that was picking up strangers for anonymous sex.

    Of course, when they got their liberty we know what happened. They didn’t fill out dance cards and kiss cheeks on porches.

  14. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:

    Was Kubrick onto something when he made LOLITA?

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  15. anon[371] • Disclaimer says:

    Also guessing Epstein’s attempts to get into online-gossip publishing would not be unrelated to blackmail.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  16. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:

    “Belongs to intelligence” is straight out of a movie. Therefore this seems fake right off the bat. Occam’s razor explanation is simple careerism. Going after Epstein is a really tough case, with little upside even if he won. Has anyone asked Acosta who said it? Seems obvious followup now this comment is News. If that line really was said, likely explanation is also that the speaker was using it as a cover for careerist reasons. Possible instead he/she was protecting someone else, or (least likely) that they were implicated in some way like taking payoffs.

    As to the source of Epstein’s money? Occam says he’s not really a billionaire.

    But he obviously had serious money, and I’d bet on the official story. He got a wall street job due to a personal connection, then quit in the 80s and hung a shingle. He makes tens of millions from this which put him into Elite Circles and when you have a cool private island and jets and yachts and you throw tons of parties with hot girls, surprise, people who have highly valuable information tend to find you. He parlays these connections and opportunities into the several hundred million range at which point few can tell the difference. Very believable explanation. Al Gore is worth 200 million off political connections, he only started with ~1 million.

    Ultimately nobody cares where his money came from. This is the reality of life in an economic zone with no values higher than money, and no power structure that can control money.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @The Alarmist
  17. Comically, CNN has moved on from ‘let’s see how many references to Donald Trump we can pack into this story,’ to…

    ‘CNN’s Chris Cuomo: Let’s Not Get Caught Up In The Intrigue Of Who Jeffrey Epstein’s Friends Are’

    • Replies: @Charon
  18. guest says:

    I think the proper way to look at it may be as kompromat. Such-and-such information “compromises” people , leaving them open to manipulation.

    It is indeed difficult to run such an operation yourself. It’s hard to tell what cornered people will do. But these aren’t random victims we’re talking about. Usually they’ve already compromised themselves to some extent. They’re “in” and you’re inviting them in further.

    The Soviets were masters at kompromat, naturally. And one of their big advantages is that they had useful idiots all over the world that were already half on their side. Compromising information helped secure them to that side.

    Of courae, they went beyond. With an entire state apparatus from which to draw, they could kidnap people and hold them hostage to control others. They could assassinate or full-on start wars, as well as propagandize and mock-up trials. The whole show.

    Our ” intelligence community” can’t even do that. But it can subcontract Epsteins to do stuff for it.

    • Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban
  19. Nathan says:

    “the $1 billion basement investment required”

    Ha ha ha ha ha! Oh…. mercy. This little detail was news to me. How gullible were people to believe this? Did people actually think that this guy catered to billionaire clients? Why would anyone who got a billion dollars all on their own go to some greaseball in south Florida to “invest” it?? Madoff’s clients were rich, but if someone told me there was a billion dollar minimum, I would have got the joke.

    I’m also not convinced that someone like Bill Clinton is blackmailable… That’s how people end up getting Arkancided.

  20. Occam’s Razor is that he gave below-market returns to rich people who had never heard of the efficient market hypothesis. I doubt he’d have any moral objection to mass theft, but that doesn’t mean he has the ability to do it. If he were a criminal mastermind, he wouldn’t have left all that evidence lying around his house.

  21. 216 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Cosby wasn’t blackmailed for his rapes, afiak.

    If say, Prince Andrew, really is guilty of these allegations, he can’t just have Epstein locked up, because he’d be going down with him. Presumably if it is true, we’d be talking about the end of the House of Windsor.

    • Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban
  22. @Tony

    The Beatles wrote a song about Maxwell and his silver hammer.

    Maxwell Edison, majoring in medicine,
    Calls her on the phone.
    “Can I take you out to the pictures,
    Joa, oa, oa, oan?”

    But as she’s getting ready to go,
    A knock comes on the door.

    Bang! Bang! Maxwell’s silver hammer
    Came down upon her head.
    Bang! Bang! Maxwell’s silver hammer
    Made sure that she was dead.

    I don’t think it was the same Maxwell. The song seems more like an alternative take on Mac The Knife.

    This wonderful. Swing it, Ella.

    Maxwell was well-known in England in the 1960’s as a Member of Parliament, and in 1969 he attempted to buy the sensationalist Sunday tabloid The News of the World, but failed due to objections to it being acquired by a foreigner. It was then acquired by another foreigner called Rupert Murdoch.

    Maxwell was well known for the his extravagant lifestyle and his yacht, The Lady Ghislaine.

    • Replies: @Templar
  23. Kronos says:

    You need to read this book. I really enjoyed learning about the fine line between blackmail and free speech. Doubtless, there’s lots of money to be had if you can successfully pull it off.

  24. Nathan says:

    1. When Epstein founded J. Epstein and Co in 1982, there were only 13 billionaires:

    2. Robert Maxwell’s yacht, the one he died on- the Lady Ghislaine, was later owned by Emad Khashoggi, cousin to Jamal Khashoggi and Dodi Fayed…. I don’t know what that means, but it’s odd anyway.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Anonymous
  25. @Anonymous

    You’re such a putz:

    Just follow the fuse – and you will always find the sheriff’s star at the ends of it.

  26. @Anonymous

    Here’s what Stanley Kubrick had to say about the issue of pedophilia and the elites.

    It seems that perhaps Kubrick was on to something……

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    , @a
  27. @Anonymous

    ‘The Netanyahus wouldn’t be barking like this if Epstein were a Mossad asset.’

    They would. They don’t spend all their time being starry-eyed Israeli patriots, you know. Sometimes short-term political advantage dominates their considerations.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  28. Smoshter says:

    It will be interesting to see what happens to claims of video blackmail when Deepfakes really begins to roll out into the public space. These people will quite literally be able to get away with murder, forever

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Lot
  29. Media on Epstein before the big scandals broke, is instructive

    ‘Talented Mr Epstein’, Vanity Fair 2003

    Jeffrey Epstein was a member of the CFR Council on Foreign Relations & the Trilateral Commission, for those who like to follow such things

    Epstein house in New York City just raided by police, was bought by a trust run by Epstein’s patron – paymaster? – Les Wexner (born 1937), of the ultra-Zionist Jewish billionaire ‘Mega Group’ of the 1990s, Wexner speculated as possible financier of the whole ‘Epstein honeypot young girl blackmail’ scheme

    Records were showing that the Wexner trust still owned the house long after Epstein said he had bought it

    In 1988 Epstein filed a financial statement giving his net worth as only US $20 million … he is a billionaire now? How?

    When Epstein needed to sign guarantees for a few million, Wexner sometimes had to sign the paper for him

    Epstein made the same claim as a fellow famous Jewish personality of mysterious wealth – arch-Zionist Wikipedia founder & supremo Jimmy Wales –

    Of their making money on ‘foreign currency trading’ which crushes most people who try to do it … it seems this is a cover story for getting political money from Jewish sources

    The ‘raid on Epstein’s house’ in New York – Epstein moving in after owner Wexner moved to the midwest with a young bride – is quite laughable … Police claimed they had to ‘break down the door’ to get inside

    Epstein’s NYC mansion on E 71st St near 5th Ave, is about 21,000 square feet / 3,000 square metres … several staff members live there, someone always present 24 hours per day … Staff would immediately answer the door & let police inside; doors on a $77 million home could not be opened with crude tools like this, which would immediately set off massive alarms … This is a joke

    And here also is ‘police removing evidence in the raid on Jeffrey Epstein’s home’ … look at these people carrying cheap rubbish bags … do these look like ‘professional police agents’ gathering evidence in the highest-profile USA crime case? … Or just some layabouts from ‘fake news’ casting, not even changing out of a scruffy t-shirt?

    One thing increasingly likely to be faked these days, are not only ‘crimes’ and ‘arrests’ but also ‘going to prison’. My thought is that maybe soon, Jeffrey Epstein is going to be having a drink and a good laugh on the beach in Haifa, Israel, with his fellow sometime ‘billionaire’, the ‘sentenced to 150 years’ Bernie Madoff.

    At age 20, university drop-out Jeffrey Epstein, was hired to teach maths & physics to teen-age girls & boys, at the elite Dalton School in Manhattan, during 1973-75.

    The headmaster hiring Epstein, was Donald Barr (1921-2004), father of Donald Trump’s current Attorney General William Barr (born 1950) … Young William at the same time, 1973-77, working for the CIA … later helping the CIA in his career … now prosecuting Epstein?

    A Jeffrey Epstein student at Dalton, was the son of Alan Greenberg, chairman of Wall Street firm Bear Stearns, who gave Epstein a job as a floor trader in 1976 … by 1980 Epstein was a partner, quitting in 1981 to start ‘J Epstein & Co’ … after which Epstein’s wealth acquisition becomes a ‘mystery’ … unless you consider Les Wexner and his ultra-Zionist ‘Mega Group’

    • Replies: @El Dato
  30. Achilles says:

    You guys are so crass with your talk of money and financial assets. He invests in people!

    Epstein: “I invest in people – be it politics or science. It’s what I do,” he has said to friends. And his latest prize addition is the former president. In his eyes, [Bill] Clinton as a species represents the highest evolutionary form of the political animal. To be up close to him, as he was during the African journey, is akin to seeing the rarest of beasts on a safari.

    When I was on safari we were just hoping to get a glimpse of each of the ‘big five’ beasts.

    It never occurred to us to surreptitiously film them while mating!

    • LOL: Charon
  31. J.Ross says:

    Supposedly Milchan was the real original target of the Hollywood pedo kerfluffle that became a dispute over adult women using casting couches.

  32. J.Ross says:

    Incoherent and eventless as it is, Eyes Wide Shut takes on significance when you learn that Kubrick had wanted to make it his whole career.
    There’s an unconfirmed idea that “Energizer” (a young woman who sometimes visits Bill Clinton) started as an Epstein girl. There’s a photo of a younger Clinton on a certain private plane with a girl who could easily be a much younger Energizer. That would partly explain the universal pedo thing: for some it’s about attacking kids, but for many it’s a perverted kind of parenting, it means having a long-term lover who is always younger than you. That does fit with perfectly conventional heterosexuality more than everybody being a pedophile.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  33. Les Wexner is the primary source of Epstein’s wealth.

    Epstein obtained his Manhattan mansion from Wexner for just $10 , the mansion is valued at $75 million today.
    Mr. Wexner bought the mansion in 1989 for $14 million and spent millions to renovate the home , but never moved in. Epstein moved into the mansion in 1992 and eventually purchased the home.

  34. @JohnnyWalker123

    Kubrick revealed these secrets in 1999 in his film Eyes Wide Shut.

    Kubrick’s movie was about a doctor (played by Tom Cruise) who gets caught up with a secret Satanic/Occult sexual cult. The cult includes the most elite members of local NYC society, but operates secretly. The cult keeps various women as secret sex slaves and peforms various occult rituals. The cult also begins girls at a REALLY young age.

    Here are 2 scenes that are worth watching. Both are utterly fascinating.

    By the way, Epstein has his own private island. On the island is a temple.

    The temple has sound proof walls. It also has several animal deities mounted on the top. The temple has an outdoor lock, so you can lock it from the outside. The temple has an underground entrance too.

    Here’s a picture of the temple.

    Why would Epstein build such a strange temple on his island?
    Why not build it in New York or Florida?
    Why does it have such a bizarre design?
    Why does it have sound proof doors?
    Why does it lock from outside?
    Why does it have an underground entrance?
    If Epstein was on the island alone or with just a few people, why would he need such a huge temple?

    It almost makes you think that Eyes Wide Shut. was telling us the truth about these secret Satanic/Occult sex cults. Epstein’s temple was likely used to host rituals similar to those from Eyes Wide Shut.

    So it seems that Kubrick wasn’t some “tinfoil conspiracy theorist.” He was on to something.

    Want to know something really creepy?

    According to news reports, Epstein kept a large piano in his temple. Why would anyone keep a temple in a large piano?

    In the two scenes from Eyes Wide Shut. (which I posted above), the Satanic/Occult sex ritual are performed while a large piano is being played…..

    Now think about all the powerful people who Epstein was friends with (Bill&Hillary Clinton, Trump, Maxwell, Alec Baldwin, Prince Andrew&the British royal family, Tony Blair, Katie Couric, Chuck Schumer, Alan Dershowitz, Chris Tucker, Victoria’s Secret owner Leslie Wexner). Why would they be friends with him? Why would they go to his mansion and fly on his jet?

    In every article I’ve ever read on Epstein (going back decades), it’s frequently mentioned that he liked to surround himself with VERY young girls all the time. So it’s not like all these famous, rich, and powerful friends of his didn’t know. They knew and they still socialized with him closely. Likely, some took part in his sexual escapades/rituals.

    So when Stanley claimed the world was run by pedophiles, he was on to something. It seems that Eyes Wide Shut is a pretty accurate glimpse into the world of the elite.

  35. @Anonymous

    But he obviously had serious money, and I’d bet on the official story. He got a wall street job due to a personal connection, then quit in the 80s and hung a shingle. He makes tens of millions from this which put him into Elite Circles and when you have a cool private island and jets and yachts and you throw tons of parties with hot girls, surprise, people who have highly valuable information tend to find you.

    Cool private island and jets and yachts are out of the tens of millions range. You need several hundred million for that.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  36. Lugash says:

    Epstein was firewalled by whatever agency he was working with. No one’s asking the obvious question of “who was he working for?” right now. Once this story cools down no one’s going to be asking Les Wexner if he was a Mossad cutout a year from now. His disgusting behavior will be used(perversely) as the cover story for his crimes.

    My hunch: Epstein stole a pile of money years ago, invested in high yield securities, and had using that to fund operations since then.

  37. I’ve seen it claimed that his New Mexico based holding company, ‘Zorro,’ claimed the winning PowerBall ticket in Oklahoma in April of 2009. I don’t care enough to research further, but that seems… unusual.

    Seeing Epstein light up the news cycle reminds of of when Rotherham, briefly, was the biggest story in Western news — “I thought everybody already knew this.” That didn’t last.

  38. @J.Ross

    That does fit with perfectly conventional heterosexuality more than everybody being a pedophile.

    Not every member of the elite is a pedophile.

    A small percentage of these individuals are pedophiles.

    A much larger percentage of these individuals are sexual deviants who enjoy any type of sexual activity that they can engage in, especially if it’s “forbidden.” Like Clinton.

    There’s also a large percentage of these elite individuals who don’t enjoy pedophilia, but who get entrapped. They get forced to participate in these sexual rituals. This participation is then used as blackmail.

    Forcing someone to participate in a Satanic sexual ritual (especially if it involves pedophilia) is the perfect form of blackmail. That person is then your pawn for the rest of his/her life. They are compromised forever.

    Given that Epstein is likely a Mossad agent, he may have enabled the blackmail of a huge proportion of American elites. That, more than anything else, might account for why American elites are fanatically pro-Israel and supportive of wars in the Middle East.

    • Replies: @Travis
  39. @JohnnyWalker123

    By the way, according to Ron Unz’s long and interesting article on the Jewish religion, SOME Jews worship Satan. See the article below.

    Here’s what Ron Unz wrote.

    Furthermore, religious Jews apparently pray to Satan almost as readily as they pray to God, and depending upon the various rabbinical schools, the particular rituals and sacrifices they practice may be aimed at enlisting the support of the one or the other. Once again, so long as the rituals are properly followed, the Satan-worshippers and the God-worshippers get along perfectly well and consider each other equally pious Jews, merely of a slightly different tradition.

    Ron Unz also claimed that Jews did ritual sacrifices of Christian children.

    the world-view of traditional Judaism did involve a very widespread emphasis on magical rituals, spells, charms, and similar things, providing a context in which ritualistic murder and human sacrifice would hardly be totally unexpected.

    Jews also literally sucked the blood out of Christians, to use in magic rituals.

    It appears that a considerable number of Ashkenazi Jews traditionally regarded Christian blood as having powerful magical properties and considered it a very valuable component of certain important ritual observances at particular religious holidays.

    Why am I bringing this up?

    A huge proportion of the people involved in these Satanic/Occult sexual cults (including the Epstein network) are Jewish. Especially in the leadership positions.

    It’s not so far fetched that some of these Jews are genuine believers in Satan worship and in human/child sacrifice. So it may not be totally about blackmail. Maybe some of them are true believers in this stuff.

    When you read about the bizareness of the items that Epstein kept around his house (weird paintings, sex dolls, mannequin hanging from the chandelier), is it so far fetched to see him as a practictioner of the occult?

    When you consider the historic beliefs of Jews, is it really so unrealistic that some of them might create a Satanic/Occult sex cult?

  40. Anonymous[196] • Disclaimer says:

    Vote for a combination of:
    – #3 Blackmail
    – #4 giving compromising info to Mossad front groups, which in turn invested in his hedge fund vicariously through Zionists like Les Wexner.
    – #5 Unmentioned. Being broker between high-powered people and Jewish money. He probably viewed himself as a middle man, sitting at the nexus of Jewish cash, gentile teenage flesh and damaging info on influential people.

    His hedge fund was obviously a slush fund. The fact the he kept it small, catering to “exclusive” investors, lends one to believe the investors were all playing ball on some level, albeit in a few different sports. After all, if he were taking investments from institutional investors, it would require transparency, and that is the last thing he — or his other investors — really wanted.

    Look over this guy’s story. Fails out of two middling colleges, then becomes a teacher at Dalton. Lol. “Networks” his way into Bear Sterns, then is miraculously tapped by Les Wexner. If this guy — or his clients — were anything other than Jewish, then the RICO charges would be flowing by now.

    Question for the lurking Jewish folk. Is there a Yiddish phrase equivalent to “la cosa nostra” to describe this sort thing?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  41. anonymous[399] • Disclaimer says:

    Oh for God’s sake, Walker, get a grip on yourself. This is the kind of silly shit that can give a blog a bad name.

    • Replies: @Charon
  42. syonredux says:

    EYES WIDE SHUT was based on Arthur Schnitzler’s 1926 Traumnovelle ( Dream Story). The weird sex cult in the book was based on the Frankists:

    Frankism was a Jewish religious movement of the 18th and 19th centuries,[1] centered on the leadership of the Jewish Messiah claimant Jacob Frank, who lived from 1726 to 1791. Frank rejected religious norms, and said his followers were obligated to transgress as many moral boundaries as possible. At its height it claimed perhaps 500,000 followers, primarily Jews living in Poland and other parts of Eastern Europe.[1][2][3]

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @S. Anonyia
  43. Charon says:

    Oh that’s just sad.

  44. OT: how much are the American women’s soccer players able to supplement with testosterone before they exceed the “legal to play in the world cup” limit?

  45. Charon says:

    A bit over the top, no?
    You sound like a false flag.

  46. Charon says:

    That may be the point.

    • Replies: @DCThrowback
  47. Charon says:

    BTW, is anybody keeping track of Bill Clinton’s whereabouts? I would not be surprised to learn that he has decided to take a long-term “vacation” in a country without an extradition treaty.

    If TPTB were remotely interested in hanging Bill Clinton, he’d have swung by the neck a long time ago. He’s provably guilty of 10x what others have hung for. Teflon.

    • Replies: @Lot
  48. Glaivester says: • Website

    Who said the targets were only American elites, or that this is about doing Israel’s bidding, as opposed to doing certain Israeli factions’ bidding against other factions?

  49. Charon says:
    @Colin Wright

    I actually looked at the CNN site earlier this evening. The first seven stories were all anti-Trump, some of them maniacally so.

  50. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:

    It will be interesting to see what happens to claims of video blackmail when Deepfakes really begins to roll out …

    Don’t you get it? The cutesy term “Deep Fake” was created by the same PR folks that gave us “Fake News” etc.

    The obvious purpose is to create a smokescreen for banning REAL videos e.g. of pedophiles by claiming that they are “deep fake.”

    • Replies: @El Dato
  51. Anon[174] • Disclaimer says:

    I usually cannot stand her incessant sarcasm, but Ann Coulter’s column this week on the Epstein affair is a just-the-facts, crispy written account of the history of his dealings with police and prosecutors, stuff I mostly was not familiar with. Recommended.

    • Agree: Lot
  52. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer

    Blackmail seems too risky.

    But maybe Epstein made his parties a perk of investing in his fund. He had already identified and/or groomed numerous (hundreds?) of teens. He could have paid them to entertain his guests. Then word gets out that his investors get access to these parties, money flows into his fund, and he takes his vig. No blackmail necessary.

    • Agree: Prodigal son
    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Sales Guy
    , @Sales Guy
  53. a says:

    Did Nicole Kidman really say Stanley Kubrick said that? I cannot find an actual source for the quote.

  54. Anonymous[413] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s FICTION.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @guest
  55. Lot says:

    Deep fakes of famous people speaking are already here. They are not quite perfect if you watch them carefully and skeptically, but good enough to fool someone watching casually.

    2 years from now?

    AI can probably take any sex video and replace one of the lovers with a custom composite porn actor since so many online porn videos exist for the AI to train on.

    That is more complicated than a talking head and some shoulder gestures. So maybe in 6 years?

    Something I noticed with the AI generated “photos” of people is the same AI can make perfectly realistic ones and seriously ban ones. So have the AI make 20 “rich guy and 12 year old girl” videos based on a tape of him with an adult. If the AI succeeds only 5%, you still have your blackmail.

  56. Lot says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    That or a ponzi scheme seem about equally plausible. Though could also be both.

  57. Why is this even a question? Acosta already confirmed it. Epstein is a Robert Maxwell all the way. He forced the girls to give him naked massages then used the pictures to shame/coerce them into serving his rich friends, and videotaped all those sexcapades for even bigger blackmails, not just for cash but for political support for Israel.

    Bloomberg estimated his personal wealth to be no more than 77m, clearly not enough to support his lavish lifestyle of 12 mansions, 15 exotic cars, a private island and a private jet. His money came from blackmail payoffs and Mossad.

    Mossad has dirt on every single one of our congress critters, from the time they started running for office. This operation is for extra insurance, not just politicians but Wall Street hunchos, royalty, A list celebrities, anyone who could exert influence in any way. Why do you think Netanyahu got a nauseating 10 minute bipartisan Standing O for his speech to congress? Because they lurrvvve Israel? Right.

    Nobody loves the Jews. They only fear them.

    • Replies: @Anon
  58. Lot says:

    “If TPTB were remotely interested in hanging Bill Clinton, he’d have swung by the neck a long time ago. He’s provably guilty of 10x what others have hung for. Teflon.”

    Clinton is an example of issues with “elites” conspiracy theories: elites aren’t a united group.

    Many elites most definitely wanted him gone. This included many “Moderate Democrats” like David Broder. Kav and Roberts were involved.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  59. HA says:

    “Ron Unz’s long and interesting article on the Jewish religion, SOME Jews worship Satan”

    No, his reference to Shahak’s book you are referring to points out that some Jewish superstitions (including “evil eye” imprecations and such) involve attempts to propitiate Satan, or more accurately, to trick him. Here is Shahak’s actual phrasing:

    Other prayers or religious acts, as interpreted by the cabbalists, are designed to deceive various angels (imagined as minor deities with a measure of independence) or to propitiate Satan. At a certain point in the morning prayer, some verses in Aramaic (rather than the more usual Hebrew) are pronounced. This is supposed to be a means for tricking the angels who operate the gates through which prayers enter heaven and who have the power to block the prayers of the pious.

    It’s wrong to characterize this as “worship” of Satan.

    “Ron Unz also claimed that Jews did ritual sacrifices of Christian children.”

    Again, this is a major overstatement. Ariel Toaff’s book on the blood libel, which is what Unz also brought up, did concede that the records one of the most notorious blood libel trials (Simon of Trent) do contain actual references to Jewish rituals regarding blood, which makes that accusation much more plausible than previously claimed. However, any such possible actual reality behind any blood libel is hardly indicative of a trend of Jews in general. In fact, Toaff takes pains to point out that these Rhineland Jews who were the focus of the trial were regarded as weirdos even by other Jews (esp. the Italian ones who had a far more convivial relationship with gentiles). In the course of 2,000 years, a lot of freakish stuff will go down, but given the context, it still amounts to noise. (Toaff does postulate that blood libel fears may actually derive from the much more realistic fears of children or adults being abducted by Jewish or Jew-affiliated slave traders and shipped off to slave markets in Crimea or Istanbul, and Jews were major players in that trade, and that is indeed a topic that deserves more attention for those trying to understand why Jews were hated, but that’s another matter.)

    Obviously, Unz is free to correct my take, but in his absence, perhaps this will do.

  60. Anon[403] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tired of Not Winning

    John Roberts anyone?

  61. Whiskey says: • Website

    Jeez some of these comments are by certified weirdos squared

    Epstein like Maxwell was probably in cahoots with Missad, the FBI, and the Russians all at the same time. That’s common for that type.

    Bernie Madoff died in prison of cancer. So no Madoff is not in Israel.

    And U.S. Support for Israel is based on it being the North right flank of the Gulf oil kingdoms. We support Israel and protect it for the same reason we do the Saudis. Oil. It’s all about oil.

    Good luck fueling you car with unicorn farts.

    Nothing will happen to Clinton. His machine is so big, deeo, wide he’s protected every way possible. From the FBI to the press. Half the FBI worked for Hilary

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @Anonymous
    , @jsm
  62. @JohnnyD

    Keep in mind that Epstein’s peak of illicit activity seems to have been 1999-2005. For myriad reasons one need not explain to Steve’s commentariat, Jewish influence has grown significantly since Epstein began making his truly important friends.

  63. Mr. Blank says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Not one of your best, Tiny. I know it’s for effect, but bungling a basic detail about Epstein doesn’t really work, because you’re not supposed to be that dumb.

    You’re not supposed to be Forrest Gump. You’re supposed to be Jenny — stupid, but in an entirely different way than Forrest. 😉

  64. Alfa158 says:
    @Tiny Duck

    “Christians like Epstein” Good example of double-take surprise humor there.

  65. Alfa158 says:

    I think the best description for that tweet would be “charmingly dotty”.

  66. @Anon

    link to Coulter column:

    She has followed this story all the way. She first got hot for it because the prosecutor who cut the sweet deal for Epstein when he was allowed to go home 12 hours a day and his incarceration was in a private suite which he built on the jailhouse grounds was the same prosecutor who was going nuts after Rush Limbaugh for the pain pill subscription thing.

  67. eah says:

    The overarching question now is whether the full truth about Epstein and the powers behind and the goings-on around him will ever come out — including interestingly Prince Andrew (how did they meet?) — I’ve always had the impression he wasn’t telling the truth; also considering and comparing his earlier involvement with Koo Stark and the woman he later married (Sarah Ferguson).

  68. On the Ingraham Angle tonight, Epstein’s former lawyer Alan Dershowitz said that he was introduced to Epstein by Lady Rothschild.

  69. @guest

    Of courae, they went beyond. With an entire state apparatus from which to draw, they could kidnap people and hold them hostage to control others. They could assassinate or full-on start wars, as well as propagandize and mock-up trials. The whole show.

    Our ” intelligence community” can’t even do that. But it can subcontract Epsteins to do stuff for it.

    Yours was an astute observation until the last two sentences. Respectively, (1) you think our intelligence community, or more importantly certain self-motivated actors within it, can’t acquire good kompromat? I doubt that. (Although, NB: it hasn’t worked on Trump. Maybe he’s a true patriot and reasonably honest hardass NY businessman?) (2) Who within the U.S. intelligence community would want pictures of Clinton and Prince Andrew, along with Alan Dershowitz, Ehud Barak, and various other flawed but powerful men banging teeny boppers? Especially after Bill was out of office but Hillary was a Senator with much larger ambitions? Other intelligence communities would likely have more interest in that information.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  70. @Whiskey

    Bernie Madoff died in prison of cancer. So no Madoff is not in Israel.

    Dude, Bernie is still alive and kicking. He is not in Israel, but in FCC Butner.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  71. @216

    Prince Andrew is a well known sleaze ball and now something like 10th in line for the throne. The Windsors will survive his indiscretions, not particularly bright though they are.

    Whether they’ll survive the replacement of Britain’s indigenous people is a separate question.

  72. @Lot

    I suspect she has related to more than a few beams in her day….

    • Replies: @Old Prude
  73. Kronos says:

    He had a son who committed suicide.

    • Replies: @Kaganovitch
  74. syonredux says:

    It’s FICTION.

    Well, yes. But the Frankists are real:

    Unlike traditional Judaism, which provides a set of detailed guidelines called “halakha” that are scrupulously followed by observant Jews and regulate many aspects of life,[4] Frank claimed that “all laws and teachings will fall”[5] and – following antinomianism – asserted that the most important obligation of every person was the transgression of every boundary.[6]

  75. eah says:

  76. Perhaps Epstein is a Yazidi.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  77. guest says:

    Jacob Frank, real person, claimed to be a reincarnation of Sabbatai Sevi. Who a coupla centuries prior was a Jew in Turkey proclaiming himself messiah. These things happened.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  78. George says:

    Blast from the past: Gov Eliot Spitzer and the Emperors Club VIP.

    The Jewish angle might be that a Jewish procurer has better access to wealthy middle aged or older Jews.

  79. syonredux says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Perhaps Epstein is a Yazidi.

    That would make him a bit of an unusual case, seeing as the Yazidis were the ones getting raped for the last few years…..

  80. syonredux says:

    Jacob Frank, real person, claimed to be a reincarnation of Sabbatai Sevi. Who a coupla centuries prior was a Jew in Turkey proclaiming himself messiah. These things happened.

    After he died, his daughter took over:

    FRANK, EVA (1754–1816), daughter of the charismatic Shabbatean leader Jacob *Frank (1726–1791) and Hannah Kohen, his wife. Eva was born in Nikopol, Bulgaria, then part of the *Ottoman Empire, into the Jewish-Muslim community of the *Doenmeh. Jacob Frank was a proponent of an antinomian anarchist approach that rejected all the prohibitions and restrictions of Jewish law, including the laws of incest. This annulment was inspired by medieval mystical traditions that the foremost expression of the messianic future would be the establishment of a new code, “the era of mercy,” replacing the halakhah and the “era of harsh judgment.” Frank, who brought his family to Poland in December 1755, was charged by the Jewish community of Brody, Galicia, with instigating illicit practices. He was tried, imprisoned, and excommunicated along with his followers in June 1756.

    Originally named Rachel, after Jacob Frank’s mother, Rachel Herschel of Reischa, Eva is referred to in Frankist writings as the Lady, the Virgin, or Matronita, the Aramaic name of the mystical female entity Shekhinah. She became known as Eva following the conversion of her family to Christianity c. 1760. This conversion protected the Shabbatean group, which was being persecuted by Jewish communities in Galicia and Podolia for heretical views and unacceptable sexual behavior, and enabled the members to preserve their secret rituals based on messianism and anarchy in all aspects of life. The historian Peter *Beer knew Eva Frank and discussed the evolution of her names and her family’s conversion in his work on Jewish sects (1823).

    Jacob Frank’s autobiographical writings, preserved in Frankist circles, included a Polish text entitled “The Sayings of the Master.” This document set forth a mystical-mythical new reality in which Frank portrayed himself as a messianic figure, related to the biblical patriarch Jacob and associated with the kabbalistic entity of the divine male, Tiferet (divine glory). In this formulation, Frank’s consort is portrayed as the biblical matriarch Rachel and is also associated with the mystical entity of the divine female, Shekhinah. Frank’s wife Hannah, who was forced by her husband to play the public role of his mystical partner, the Matronita, died in great dismay at the beginning of 1770 when their daughter Eva was 16 years old.

    Frank did not allow his daughter to leave him or to marry, a prohibition he enforced on all his followers; they constituted a messianic community based on a communal sexual life with no incest restrictions or respect for marriage vows. He also demanded that Eva remain with him in prison when he was incarcerated between 1760 and 1772. Until his death in 1791, Eva played the roles of Rachel, the beloved of Jacob, and the Shekhinah-Matronita, the spouse of Tiferet-Ya’akov. Her father referred to his daughter with a citation from the Zohar describing the agonized Shekhinah who responds to her lover as “a beautiful maiden who has no eyes” (Zohar, Mishpatim).

    Jacob Frank saw himself as the eternal messiah and told his followers that Eva-Rachel should be recognized as the mystical royal figure of the Shekhinah who would lead them as a messianic redeemer while he was temporarily absent. Ultimately, Frank claimed, he would be reborn and united with his daughter in “the unity of Messiah and Shekhinah.” In the last decade of his life, Frank lived in Brno (Bruenn, then Austria) and in Offenbach in Germany with his daughter; he discussed Eva’s messianic nature in inner Frankist circles while spreading the rumor in public that she was an illegitimate child of the Russian Empress Catherine of the house of Romanov.

    In 1777 Frank took Eva to Vienna where both were received at the royal palace. In that year he had portraits of his daughter sent to Frankist communities in Hamburg and Altona together with pronouncements of her messianic nature. After Jacob Frank’s death in 1791, understood by his followers as a temporary disappearance, Eva led the Frankist court in Offenbach with her two younger brothers. In 1800 Eva sent letters to hundreds of Jewish communities encouraging conversion to Christianity and enlistment in the Frankist movement (see Brawer, Galicia, pp. 270–75). Her request for financial help was supported by quotations from her father’s teachings and promises of approaching messianic redemption. In 1803 the Offenbach court dismantled and the Frankists returned to Poland, where Eva conducted herself as a Romanov princess and lived as the Shabbatean-Frankist leader until her death in 1816.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  81. Anonymous[330] • Disclaimer says:

    Some observations…

    NY Mag ran another reasonable story on Epstein, who comes across as an intellectual lightweight.

  82. Anonymous[306] • Disclaimer says:

    Leon Black, who founded the private equity fund, the Apollo Group, kept Epstein on as director of his charitable foundation, four years after his conviction.

    Blackmail or the Tribe protecting their own?

  83. El Dato says:

    Now do one one the UK’s future prime minister, Sajid Javid.

    At age 20, university drop-out Jeffrey Epstein, was hired to teach maths & physics to teen-age girls & boys, at the elite Dalton School in Manhattan, during 1973-75.

    I would have expected quality teaching at a college preparatory school.

    At least teacher-student “relationships” would not really really be a noteworthy problem at that point.

  84. El Dato says:

    Sex, power theatrics and the desire to be on the friendly side of Satan are strong motivators. If you can, you must.

    People are rarely content with making love the elderly spouse in the missionary position while David Letterman play on TV.

  85. @Anonymous

    So Acosta said he had to let the State charges prevail because there was no Federal case. Yet there are all sorts of allegations of Mann Act violations. Does Acosta ever discuss why none of that was pursued?

    To @iSteve’s question, JE seems like a broad-spectrum narcissistic personality (his aircraft tail numbers ended with JE), so my wager is that he had his willy in all the possibilities and more. Maybe JE was also a financier of Al Quaeda.

  86. El Dato says:

    Absolutely not.

    You will no longer have to send the honeypots to Assange to get ridiculous “rape!” allegations from honeypots into nominally leftist rags for 10 years. You will just “produce” “found footage” overnight.

  87. @syonredux

    It’s interesting how the Frank cult seems to have its late 20th century emulators. I’m sure Heartiste (pbuh) would say “five minutes of Alpha …

    “The Friedrichshof story is a curious parable played out over more than 20 years about how a social system designed to be the antidote to capitalism, materialism, patriarchy, possessive sexual relationships and the outmoded nuclear family turned into a grotesque, nightmare mirror image of itself, morphing in an alarmingly brief time into a money-obsessed, sexually hung-up, reactionary personality cult in the thrall of a lecherous charismatic leader.

    The commune comes across in the film as a pretty regular Israeli-style kibbutz on to which was incongruously grafted Muhl’s free love ethic, which dictated that all members must have sex three or four times a day, but only with different partners, that couple relationships were strictly banned, that foreplay and affection in sex were not permitted (they’re bourgeois, you see) and that if a man failed to find a woman to sleep with on a particular night, he didn’t have a bed.

    Predictably, perhaps, the commune soon became riddled with gonorrhoea, lice, cystitis and diarrhoea. Equally predictably, a lot of children were born having no idea who their father was. A little less foreseen, perhaps, were the mental and social results of Muhl’s big idea, which led to what was sincerely meant, by the participants if not the cult founder, to be a bright-eyed, iconoclastic social and political experiment, ending up a habitat more worthy of study by zoologists.

    While many would assume a venture like Friedrichshof would end in anarchy, in fact the almost precise opposite occurred. It drowned in authoritarian rules. What happened essentially was that the pressure on Muhl from star-struck women wanting to sleep with him, and the pressure that was put on the other men to try to emulate his legendary sexual Olympianism, prompted Muhl to set up an official sexual hierarchy, starting with a “First Lady”, who was Otto’s favourite of the moment, right down to the most timid and unattractive female members of the commune, who presumably got to sleep only with the most timid and unattractive male members.

    Women who had joined up from all over the world (but mostly northern Europe) as intellectuals, artists and socialists found themselves in an unseemly competition for the sexual favours of a man 30 years older than them. Muhl could rarely walk around the commune with fewer than 30 women swarming around him and actually elbowing one another out of the way for a touch, a kiss or an invitation to his bed. Women would happily sneak on one another for breaches of the commune’s iron discipline in order to climb a few places up Muhl’s hierarchy.

    As the commune’s babies grew to puberty, Papa, as Otto was called, found that he preferred sleeping with the young girls to their mothers. He began telling women of 35 they were too old for him to want to have sex with and that he preferred young flesh. Brought up by their mothers to regard sex with Otto as a privilege, the 14 year olds began swarming round him even in his shower. “

  88. Anonymous[198] • Disclaimer says:

    We flare off immense amounts of natural gas and export a lot more because efforts to build pipelines get stymied. We should convert a good chunk of the auto fleet to natural gas.

    Saudi light sweet crude, cheap to lift, is political and moral cyanide for us as a nation. I hope Saudi runs dry and soon.

  89. utu says:

    “was later owned by Emad Khashoggi” – Other way around. Maxwell bought it from Khashoggi.

    • Replies: @Nathan
  90. Reading about Jewish gangsters is great fun. There’s always another one around the corner, and they’re often such ‘colorful’ characters. And each one’s the last ever, honest.

    Some are down with staging ‘hate crimes’ against themselves.

  91. LondonBob says:
    @Colin Wright

    Netanyahu has had a troubled relationship with the Mossad and failure to win the next election could see his family in jail.

  92. LondonBob says:

    It is the running costs of several properties, private plane and employees.

    No one demands a minimum investment of one billion, and no one makes money that quickly. Wexner and Israel set him up, his blackmailing was a full time job.

    • Replies: @swami_cuckenstein
  93. Pericles says:

    That hardly seems kosher?

  94. Also from NYMag:

    “Not one institutional trading desk, primary or secondary, had ever traded with Epstein’s firm.”

    A fund manager who knows well how that kind of fortune is acquired notes, “It’s hard to make a billion dollars quietly.” Epstein never made a peep in the financial world.

    Epstein was also missing another key element of a typical thriving hedge fund: investors. Kass couldn’t find any beyond Epstein’s one well-publicized client, retail magnate Les Wexner — nor could other players in the hedge-fund world who undertook similar snooping. “I don’t know anyone who’s ever invested in him; he’s never talked about by any of the allocators,” says one billionaire hedge-fund manager, referring to firms that distribute large pools money among various funds.

    Oddly, Epstein also claimed to do all the investing by himself while his 150 employees all worked in the back office — which Kass says reminds him of Madoff’s cover story. Though it now appears that Epstein had many fewer employees than he claimed,

    Given this puzzling set of data points, the hedge-fund managers we spoke to leaned toward the theory that Epstein was running a blackmail scheme under the cover of a hedge fund.

    The fact that Epstein’s fund is offshore in a tax haven — it is based in the U.S. Virgin Islands — and has a secret client list both add credence to the blackmail theory.

    If the blackmail theory sounds far-fetched, it’s worth keeping in mind that it was also floated by one of Epstein’s victims, Virginia Roberts Giuffre. “Epstein … also got girls for Epstein’s friends and acquaintances. Epstein specifically told me that the reason for him doing this was so that they would ‘owe him,’ they would ‘be in his pocket,’ and he would ‘have something on them,’”

  95. @Kronos

    I thought that was his brother.His son died of cancer I think.

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
  96. Thoughts says:

    We’re assuming the people were compromised or blackmailed.

    How about looking at Epstein as a great guy doing them all a favor?

    Prince Andrew ADORES Epstein. There’s no blackmail.

    Epstein is their closest friend, their best ally. No blackmail involved.

    If your deepest desire is to sleep with hot young girls, and your best friend fulfills that desire…you are going to ADORE HIM.

    I think Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, and the other men love Epstein, would do anything for him, because Epstein fulfilled their greatest need.

    No blackmail, no kompromat…They would do what Epstein wants because Epstein is like their best friend, dream person fulfilling all their needs.

    • Agree: Prodigal son
    • Replies: @LondonBob
  97. LondonBob says:

    Israel has the carrot of financial and professional success and Epstein provides an additional carrot with a less explicit stick threat. Remember these women are under the age of consent but not young enough to be considered of no interest to most men. Unquestionably they were chosen because they inhabit that grey zone, but the threat is not lewd photographs it is the threat of prison. So you just keep your mouth shut and go along to get along. I don’t think any explicit threat is made with demands for payment, you know the score so why jeopardise everything?

    • Replies: @Prodigal son
  98. Anonymous[324] • Disclaimer says:

    Emad’s uncle was the arms dealer billionaire Adnan Khashoggi, who sold his yacht to Donald Trump.

  99. Travis says:

    Epstein does not fit the definition of a pedophile.

    Pedophiles are sexually attracted to children, not 16 year-old females. In the majority of states 16 is the age of consent. 90% of men find 17 year-olds physically attractive and many 15 and 16 year-olds look like 18 year-old women. It is inaccurate to label people pedophiles for being attracted to 16 year olds. Most men have their first sexual experience with 16 year-old girl.

    the age of consent is typically 16 , for good reasons. Most are physically mature and can easily bear children. If Epstein was having sex with 16 year-olds in New Jersey or Pennsylvania it would have been legal….In fact only 10 states have an age of consent of 18. New York is 17 , most states have 16 as the age of consent.

    Today females actually mature earlier than in the past , not only do they they get their first period a year earlier than in 1960 but breast development and other signs of puberty begin 2 years earlier than 60 years ago. It is now the opinion of most endocrinologists that the falling age of puberty among US girls is a real and ongoing phenomenon. What is not as clear is why this is happening. Thus a typical 14 year-old girl today is more similar physically to a 16 year-old girl in 1960. When Lolita was written , a 12 Year-old girl would have been pre-pubescent , unlike the typical 12 year-old girl today. In 1955 the average American girl has her first period at age 12 while in 2015 it was 13 years-old.

    • Replies: @Prodigal son
  100. @LondonBob

    JE is possibly the most successful spy of all time. Israel totally controlled the Clintons are the joos are SEETHING because Hilary didn’t win and all that effort to compromise Bill was for naught.

    The media is DYING for this to end at Acosta. Get his scalp and the bad men are both clipped. Nothing to see here just another isolated incident.

  101. jsm says:

    “And U.S. Support for Israel is based on it being the North right flank of the Gulf oil kingdoms. We support Israel and protect it for the same reason we do the Saudis. Oil. It’s all about oil.”

    Israel has no oil.

    Supposedly we buddy up with Israel cuz they’re our “unsinkable aircraft carrier,” in case someone blockades the Strait of Hormuz. Note, please, this much-touted “unsinkable aircraft carrier” has NEVER been used. In Gulf War, soirees were flown out of Turkey.

  102. MEH 0910 says:

  103. Gordo says:

    But at the same time, did Israel really need Epstein to blackmail American elites, when they can just use their powerful lobby and Jewish billionaires like Sheldon Adelson?

    Blackmail is cheaper. Also more reliable.

  104. eah says:

    And when it’s committed by an ‘out-group’? — like here a Jew abusing (mostly, if not entirely; remains to be determined I guess) gentile girls and young women.

    If to paraphrase Conan, the essence of war is to ‘Crush your enemies, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of their women’, what is the effect on society, especially on ‘in-group’ men, when men from an ‘out-group’ commit sexual abuse on such a large scale against ‘in-group’ girls and young women, and largely under the noses of authorities, who in many cases knew but did little to stop it?

    Tommy Robinson was yesterday sentenced to nine months in jail, nominally for contempt of court — his real crime was reporting too aggressively, ie in a way ajudged likely to ‘incite racial hatred’, on the trials of various ‘grooming gang’ defendants.

    Later it will be interesting to compare metrics of media interest in the Epstein case vs the English ‘grooming gangs’, where by most accounts the abuse was much worse and involved far more victims, as well as obviously an ‘in-group’ vs ‘out-group’ dynamic.

  105. Gordo says:

    There are, however, laws against blackmail. For example, Bill Cosby and David Letterman had their blackmailers imprisoned.

    Steve there are a lot of people trying to divert this discourse.

    Putting aside for the moment the abuse of minors, not that we should but just for the sake of making this point; yes this is about ESPIONAGE, BLACKMAIL and TREASON.

    It is about suborning politically powerful people in the US and UK to do the bidding of another nation and betray their own.

    If this is swept under the carpet then it is time to burn the carpet.

  106. If I am forced to choose between the Netty-Yahoo gang and Ehud Barak, I’ll choose the Netty-Yahoo people.

    Tweets from 2014:

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
  107. @Kaganovitch

    I believe one son died of cancer and the other committed suicide. Like something from a greek tragedy tbh. I wonder if sociopath Bernie feels guilt.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @utu
  108. @syonredux

    Sex cults aren’t that historically far-fetched or even rare, Jewish or Christian or otherwise. Rasputin was known to be part of a sex cult before he entered the Czar’s service.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    , @utu
  109. Mr. Anon says:

    Clinton is an example of issues with “elites” conspiracy theories: elites aren’t a united group.

    That’s true. Elites are not a united, monolithic group. That doesn’t mean that separate distinct elite groups don’t conspire with other members of their group against the other groups, or against the proles generally, or that they don’t occasionally conspire even with their rivals against the hoi polloi.

    • Replies: @Lot
  110. MarcB. says:

    Conspiracy types have suggested for years that Epstein acted as a front man funded by wealthy patrons and partners to act as an agent running honeypot operations, and his persona as Wall Street genius was his cover. During the raid that resulted in his previous arrest and conviction, video surveillance cameras were discovered in the guest rooms.

  111. Kronos says:

    Your correct

    Mark Madoff (1964–2010) -suicide
    Andrew Madoff (1966–2014) -cancer

  112. @S. Anonyia

    Rasputin was his own one-man sex cult. Religion was the cover, sort of like Joseph Smith or even modern, Catholic homos.

  113. peterike says:

    At age 20, university drop-out Jeffrey Epstein, was hired to teach maths & physics to teen-age girls & boys, at the elite Dalton School in Manhattan, during 1973-75.

    Has anybody tried to find people who were at Dalton at this time and ask them about Epstein? Seems to be an obvious investigative route, but nothing.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  114. @LondonBob

    The vast majority of these women were over the age of consent in most states. Only ten states have an age of consent of 18….. European nations set the age of consent between 14 to 16 years-old. In Austria, Germany and Italy the age of consent is 14. In most of the United States the age of consent is 16.

    Fornicating with 16 year-old females is legal in the 99% of the western world and was never considered pedophilia. If Epstein had been paying 15 year-olds for sex in Germany, Austria, France and Italy it would have been perfectly legal.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  115. @Tiny Duck

    Another provocative Tinyism:
    “Why are so many white gentile women meth addicts like Queen Elizabeth II?”

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  116. @Charles Pewitt

    Nice profile pics of Ehud Barak and Jeff Epstein. What perky blonde 13- or 14-year-old from The Dalton School wouldn’t fancy a menage-a-trois with that pair?

  117. AndrewR says:
    @Uilleam Yr Alban

    It’s silly to think the US deep state wouldn’t want dirt on as many people as possible, including the Clintons, Dersh, Andrew, etc. But obviously Mossad would have plenty of interest too.

  118. Nathan says:


    Still weird. I guess the market for Bond villain yachts is pretty small and makes for some interesting networking opportunities.

  119. Sales Guy says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    There is a problem with both this scenario and the Ponzi scheme scenario. Epstein had no real individual or institutional investors. Without institutional investors, there is no real way of accumulating Epstein’s wealth via finance.

    Also, the private equity and hedge fund world is small and competitive. If he were pimping girls to general investors (even a vetted and a predominately Jewish client base), the word would get around, either about his exploits or his client list.

    It also ignores all of the other shady stuff, Wexler giving him a $77m house, his relations with Ghislaine Maxwell, dealings with Ehud Barak, etc.

  120. Not Raul says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Sure, but not all blackmailers have so many friends in high places.

    It’s likely that all four theories are correct.

  121. Sales Guy says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    It’s also odd that for a guy who ran a hedge fund, most of his current wealth is in real estate, with a large chunk of it being gifted to him or sold at a discount.

    Assuming he became rich by collecting 20+2 at his hedge fund AND he was given his real estate, the he must have a lot of cash sitting around some where. Yet…he is offering up his house and airplane for bail? Doesn’t add up.

  122. Lot says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Where the elites screw the rest is where they all agree, like mass migration. They don’t need to conspire at all, they openly do what they want.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  123. Maxwell was a remarkably talented fellow. Some time in World War II he escaped from occupied Czechoslavakia and joined the British Army as a sergeant and was later promoted to captain.

    He must have been quite a linguist as he was soon debriefing German prisoners when the war ended, and started a business in England. I remember seeing him on TV in England during the 1960’s and would not have suspected he was a foreigner, as he did not have an accent.

    I wonder if the character of Mr. in the sitcom To The Manor Born was loosely based on Maxwell. Seems like he might have been.

  124. utu says:
    @S. Anonyia

    “Sex cults aren’t that historically far-fetched or even rare, Jewish or Christian or otherwise. ”

    Adamites –

    Oneida Community –

    Dönmeh –önmeh. (supposedly have an orgy once a year)

  125. Templar says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I’m pretty sure Maxwells Silver Hammer refers to the hammer murder of the playwright Joe Orton by his long-term lover Kenneth Halliwell.
    In the months before his death Orton was being lined up to write a screenplay for the Beatles movie to follow A Hard Day’s Night.
    In the song Halliwell was changed to Maxwell and Joe was changed to Joan.
    Gary Oldman’s breakout role was as Joe Orton in the film Prick Up Your Ears.

  126. utu says:

    “Like something from a greek tragedy tbh.” Yes, but we still do not know the full story. Where did the money do? Certainly not to the Madoff’s family. They got only a small fraction. Whom Madoff was protecting by pleading guilty w/o making a deal with DA? And who was protecting Madoff while the operation was going on?

  127. @donut

    They all went to Africa to help local Harambeninies – you know, for kids.

    ( “We will feed you, but first bunga bunga!”)

    • LOL: Autochthon
  128. @peterike

    How could the New York media be expected possibly to get in contact with any Dalton School graduates? It’s like asking them to get a comment from a North Sentinel Islander.

    Similarly, with racial busing back in the news, you might expect to see some comments in the press from Jewish public school students who fled the Los Angeles school system 40 years ago due to bad experiences with busing. But who could possibly expect a Southern California Jewish baby boomer to have access to the media? Their views will just have to continue to remain obscure.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  129. @Prodigal son

    If Epstein had been paying 15 year-olds for sex in Germany, Austria, France and Italy it would have been perfectly legal.

    I am not sure that is correct. I think under international treaty paid sex with women under the age of 18 is forbidden, and also traveling for that purpose. However right now I cannot be bothered to look up the references, so it is just possible that you are right.

  130. Anonymous[830] • Disclaimer says:

    Being connected to the Mossad doesn’t really mean a huge bunch for Jew who does a lot of networking. Doesn’t mean that dollars were flowing to him. More likely the opposite direction. Mossad gets a lot of “volunteer work”. They use a sympathetic community for leads, connections, even lodging. Read By Way of Deception for more info on this.

    I also am intrigued with the money situation. Why no Mueller team of forensic accountants descending to figure this out?

  131. Anonymous[199] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    To their credit, DailyBeast just ran an article on Epstein’s Dalton years. Biggest takeaway is that he probably had sex with some of his former students (going by his deposition).

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  132. Mr. Anon says:

    Where the elites screw the rest is where they all agree, like mass migration. They don’t need to conspire at all, they openly do what they want.

    I would agree with that. Simply following one’s own class interest can seem like conspiring.

    I remember reading Barbara Tuchman’s A Distant Mirror about Europe (mostly England and France) in the 14th century (it’s a good book – I recommend it). The nobles fought each other in ceaseless wars, often carried out with a great sense of joi-de-guerre. The English were more business-like in the way they made War; the French viewed it more as a test of knightly prowess. But for both sides, it was often approached as if it were sport. But when it came to putting down peasant revolts, even the French nobles were all business. That was serious. Against the people, they made war in deadly earnest.

  133. Mr. Anon says:
    @Buck Ransom

    Another provocative Tinyism:
    “Why are so many white gentile women meth addicts like Queen Elizabeth II?”

    An English meth addict? How bad are those teeth going to be?

  134. @Travis

    I agree. Men who have sex with 16 year-old girls are not pedophiles , most men have sexual desires for young women aged 16 to 24. This is why it is not a crime in most states and in Europe for men to have sex with 16 year olds.

  135. anon[288] • Disclaimer says:

    Biggest aspect to this story is Les Wexner, who provided Epstein financial backing and most likely provided the contacts to work with Israeli intelligence.

    See the leaked “Wexner Analysis: Israeli Communication Priorities 2003”, in which Wexner’s foundations were outlining soundbites for tying 2003 Iraq War to US-Israeli relations.

  136. Considering the partnership between media and government via the CFR, it’s clear why no one in the MSM and in Justice didn’t pursue Epstein with vigor during past administrations. This goes for Fox News and the WSJ as well. Vicky Ward writes, “he is on the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations.”

    Haass, Rubenstein, Effron, and Miscik, comprise the CFR leadership. Miscik is Kissinger’s liaison. It’s highly probable that they have a say in what happens to Epstein. It is also very noteworthy that they all belong to the same tribe as Epstein.

    Epstein —->CFR<—-Media

  137. Art Deco says:

    I see we have the intersection between the John Birch Society and the Joo obsessives here. Heckuva job, Steve.

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