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I’ll refrain from posting the Senator Booker – Rabbi Boteach dance video one more time, but here’s an article from The Forward on one contretemps growing out of that Politico article about the Trump-Chabad-Putin nexus. You see, Mort Klein, supremo of the Zionist Organization of America, was quoted complimenting some Chabad rabbis’ terpsichorean enthusiasm at a wedding he had attended:

“They were dancing up a storm, these guys. I thought they were black. Instead they’re just black-hat,”

This being the current year, that’s … controversial. From The Forward:

Jewish Leader Says ‘Blacks Are Much Better Dancers’
Josh Nathan-Kazis April 10, 2017

Mort Klein, president of a major Jewish pro-Israel group, berated a Forward reporter who called to ask about a joke Klein had made about black people being good dancers in a national magazine story.

“What are you, stupid? What are you, stupid?” Klein said. “Each different peoples have different talents that everyone knows. And everyone knows that blacks are, on average, are better dancers than other people.”

Klein told the Forward that it is “simply a fact” that “blacks are much better dancers.” He added that “most people know” that Asians “are smarter on average than other people in America.”

The more “simply a fact” something is, the less you are supposed to mention it.

Klein is the president of the Zionist Organization Of America, a leading right-wing pro-Israel group. He was the first Jewish leader to formally meet with the Trump administration after the inauguration.

Over the weekend, multiple Twitter users raised their eyebrows over Klein’s quote.

Contacted by the Forward on Monday, Klein said that his joke was not racist because it invoked a positive stereotype. “That I attribute a talent that one people have over another? That’s racist? That’s a positive thing,” Klein said. “If people say that Asians are smarter on average than other people in America, that is not racist. That is simply something that most people know happens to be the case. People like you, Josh, you should really be ashamed of even calling me about this.”

Klein said that he did not consider positive stereotypes about Jews offensive. “If people say Jews are better businessmen or are very good financially, I consider that a positive thing to say,” he said. …

“I don’t even think about difference in colors,” Klein said. “Except I recognize that whites cannot compete with blacks in basketball …

From an article about Klein, who is a statistician:

The family lived in a poor black neighborhood. “Until I was 16, virtually all my friends were black,” Mr. Klein said. “I was — I am — very comfortable around black people.” He was athletic, too. “In my neighborhood, I was an average athlete, and I thought I was okay, but no better than that. And then, when I was 16, we moved to a white, Jewish neighborhood — and I realized that I was a superstar.” …

He went to Central High School in Philadelphia, the city’s academic school for boys. (As an aside, he said that he was at school with Jeremiah Wright, the incendiary and controversial black pastor whose racist, anti-white rhetoric engulfed President Barack Obama, his one-time parishioner, in a political mess during his first election campaign. “He was one of the richest kids in the school, and his mother was an academic principal of Girls High School,” Central’s equivalent. “We didn’t even see color, and yet he became a hater,” Mr. Klein said.)

One thing to note is that ultra-orthodox Jews tended to be lousy dancers: a bunch of guys shuffling around. In 2010 I pointed out how much the basic situation of Fiddler on the Roof is borrowed from Pride & Prejudice: a man has five unmarried daughters without dowries. An anthropologist friend wrote:

One note about love marriages (Pride) versus arranged (Fiddler): societies with love marriages have a greater frequency and importance of dances (ref below). This shows up in both cases: Austen’s young ladies are constantly looking forward to the next ball, which is a major arena for mate choice. And Tevye (at least in the movie) shows a shocking progressive streak by actually dancing with his wife. The lines of guys dancing with guys, women with women, that you see in the earlier part of the movie, before Tevye mixes it up, is what you generally get in societies with arranged marriages. Something for all you h-bd-ers to think about as you try and figure out which folk-dancing class to take.

The Russian Orthodox peasants are looked down upon, but they are superior dancers even at the male-only stuff:

For all male shuffle dance, nobody tops Sufi Chechens:

 
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  1. Broski says:

    “What are you, stupid? What are you, stupid?” Klein said. “Each different peoples have different talents that everyone knows. And everyone knows that blacks are, on average, are better dancers than other people.”

    Love this guy!

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    Love this guy!
     
    Me too. Especially the "are you stupid" bit. It's long past time not just to be non-apologetic, but to mock the idiocy.

    Truth has a beauty just by being true.
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  2. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Here’s Lin-Manuel Miranda doing a version of “To Life” with friends and family as a surprise for his wife at his wedding in September 2010. It’s very entertaining (unfortunately, I think there’s a short ad at the beginning of it).

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  3. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Shouldn’t this give you another excuse to post that Cory Booker dancing with Shmuley Boteach clip?

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  4. That Chechen stuff looks like fun!

    I think I would have made a good Chechen. I must confess to a real affection for Kadyrov. He seems like a jolly sort of chieftain to me. A terror to his enemies, yes, but very good to his own.

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    • Replies: @delmas
    That Chechen stuff looks wierd. It could be a dance to the devil. Glad I was baptized into the Christian religion.
    , @PiltdownMan
    If Steve had said that Chechen Sufi clip was some kind of Sephardic Jewish dance, I'd have believed it.
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  5. Whiskey says: • Website

    The thing with dances is they favor: extroverted, exhibitionist males with good aesthetic sense and coordination in rhythm to music. That also can keep time and LIKE lots of attention focused on them. In other words **GAY**. Or female, same thing.

    Mr. Darcy as you will recall, did not fare well during the dance, making a negative impression despite his wealth on Elizabeth Bennett who much preferred the bounder character who ended up running of with her young sister.

    This makes alcohol at dances pretty much mandatory, as it takes a lot of booze to loosen up male inhibitions and even more to make ordinary dudes lacking the top 5% of charisma and charm and extraversion to ordinary women: call it vodka glasses. A dry society will naturally favor just the few sorta gay dudes who are good at dancing and posing, think John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever.

    No wait, Travolta is a bad example, being as how he is the very model of bluff, John Wayne style straight masculinity. Well, you know what I’m talking about, and its not thetans either.

    Bottom line, dancing is for chicks and gays. Like Mailer said, Tough Guys Don’t Dance. And Chuck Norris don’t disco.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    What a beautiful illustration of how Judaic homophobia warps and cripples the appreciation of human culture. I don't even have to bring up the Renaissance, just look at the videos here, schmuck. EVEN JEWS DANCE.

    That's why They have a wall, an ethnostate, national health care and lots of guns, while you stew in your conservatard/libertard prejudices.

    Goyishe kopf.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    See my response to Anon. Boys and men should be forced to learn how to dance, but proper dances, with steps and moves and keeping contact with your partner and all that. Keep Chuck Norris--no one ever kicked sand in Fred Astaire's face, although he admitted that he was not a natural dancer and had to work quite hard at it.
    , @Truth

    The thing with dances is they favor: extroverted, exhibitionist males with good aesthetic sense and coordination in rhythm to music. That also can keep time and LIKE lots of attention focused on them. In other words **GAY**.
     
    Wiskers, for Cryin' out loud, Son, I've been tellin you for 10 years, YOU'RE NOT TO WHITE TO BE AN ALFA!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtVLz8QwZfc
    , @Anonymous
    I'm pretty surprised more people here don't agree with Whiskey.

    Here's a study which showed that homosexuals are more than 50% of male professional dancers.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9251839

    And the overwhelmingly gay audience of Broadway musicals is just more evidence that supports the commonsense conclusion that dancing is an activity for chicks and gay men. The polar opposite of Nascar or football or physics, one might say.

    Granted, straight men who dance do well with women. But it is by no means a masculine archetype.

    I wonder if a lot of the pro-dancing commenters here are just old dudes who remember dancing as part of their socialization in childhood.
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  6. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    I find dancing to the stupidest activity. I get it from an evolutionary angle. How music and dance have been part of bonding, warfare, courtship, and etc.

    Still, I find dancing to be stupid. I only like Gene Kelly in SINGING IN RAIN and YOUNG GIRLS OF ROCHEFORT. Rest of dancing can be flushed down the toilet for all I care.

    Animals don’t dance. Good for them.

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    Birds have quite elaborate mating dances. Jose Ortega y Gasset in his short essay, Meditations on Hunting, noted that the three activities in which aristocrats who had no need to work engaged in were hunting, dancing and conversation. If I had a son I'd tell him to learn to dance (I wish I had) and social dancing should be taught in every school to get boys and girls, and then young men and women, comfortable with each other in close proximity. You can be in close proximity and still be proper, providing you follow the rules!
    , @Peter Johnson
    Many animal species dance as part of courtship.
    , @Ivy
    As Diversity Heretic points out, birds dance.
    So do bees, to communicate about food sources, with some interesting geo-location skills.
    That food-dance notion found its way into a Wall Street book by John Train: Dance of the Money Bees

    Bonus dance link, go to around the 22 minute mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=189pMiwjReE

    , @guest
    As other posters pointed out, animals dance. (Though that may be too metaphorical for your taste.) Animals are stupid, though, so I don't think mentioning them helps your larger argument.
    , @Truth

    Still, I find dancing to be stupid. I only like Gene Kelly in SINGING IN RAIN and YOUNG GIRLS OF ROCHEFORT. Rest of dancing can be flushed down the toilet for all I care.
     
    You haven't liked any dancing since 1967?
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    How music and dance have been part of bonding, warfare, courtship, and etc.
     
    Dancing was a way for pre-writing cultures to transmit knowledge. Your evolutionary-angle examples descend from knowledge transfer.

    Rest of dancing can be flushed down the toilet for all I care.
     
    Thankfully your cares are not dispositive.
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  7. inertial says:

    Mort Klein is an economist, a biostatistician, and a lecturer in statistics. He knows what he is talking about. For all I know he could be La Griffe du Lion.

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    As a statistican, Mort Klein surely understands that if "Asians are smarter on average than other people in America," ther must be a category or categories of people who are dumber on average than other people in America.

    That's why this sort of comment gets "thought-crimed."
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  8. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    I like that. Positive stereotype. That’s a good way to introduce HBD.

    Praise some people for naturally being good at something. From that, there is the idea of racial differences, and the topic can be broadened.

    Blacks are good at basketball. Who can deny that. But if they can dunk balls good, maybe they can dunk other races good too.

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  9. Broski says:

    So, according to the Wik, Mr. Klein has Tourette’s.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morton_Klein

    Was this an episode, or is he simply inured to social opprobrium beacause of sufficient exposure?

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    The n**** certainly does have a speech impediment. Not sure if it sometimes comes out as stuttering but yes, I only heard him speak once, which was the time I actually had a private meeting with him in his office, and I came away thinking, "how the fuck is this guy such a big shot?!"

    Turns out the answer may be that if you just speak precisely your mind at precisely the volume you want to speak at and you tone up the anger level, there's nothing to tourette. Get rid of the concept of "forbidden speech" and you won't need to overcompensate for the constipation with a flood of crazy speech you wouldn't have even wanted to say in the first place.
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  10. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Ken Burns PROHIBITION covers the Jazz Age, and it has white people looking back and saying blacks were better dancers. That passed the PBS test.

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  11. inertial says:

    In 2010 I pointed out how much the basic situation of Fiddler on the Roof is borrowed from Pride & Prejudice.

    That’s highly unlikely. Jane Austen may be a superstar in the 21 century America but she was almost totally unknown in the 19 century Russia (first Russian translation of Pride & Prejudice was made in 1967.) So how did Sholem Aleichem come up with the basic plot? I suspect he took it from life.

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    I googled "man with five daughters to marry".


    The Daughters of Zelophehad (Hebrew: בְּנוֹת צְלָפְחָד‎‎) were five sisters - Mahlah, Noa, Hoglah, Milcah, and Tirzah - mentioned in the Hebrew Bible, (Numbers 27) who lived at the end of the Israelites' Exodus from Egypt as they prepared to enter the Promised Land and who raised before the Israelite community the case of a woman's right and obligation to inherit property in the absence of a male heir in the family. Zelophehad (possibly meaning "first born"), a man of the Tribe of Manasseh, had five daughters but no sons, and therefore no male heirs.

    ... Later, the family heads of the clan of Manasseh's grandson Gilead appealed to Moses and the chieftains, arguing that if Zelophehad's daughters married men from another Israelite tribe, then their share would be lost to the tribe of Manasseh and be added to the portion of the tribe into which they married. So Moses, at God's bidding, instructed the Israelites that the plea of the tribal leaders was just and that Zelophehad's daughters could marry anyone they wished, but only among the men of the tribe of Manasseh.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daughters_of_Zelophehad
    , @Jake
    Sholem Aleichem wrote in Yiddish, which is Germanic. I would guess that (A) he was at least fairly well read in things German and (B) that Austen had been translated into German in the 19th century.

    I know absolutely zero scholarship on him and his work, but my guesses are that he probably derived most of the plots of the stories from tales and talking among Jews in the Russian Empire and that he probably knew some English fiction in German translation.
    , @Jack D
    Sholem Aleichem lived in NY at the end of his life (his granddaughter, Bel Kaufman, wrote "Up the Down Staircase'") but at the time that he wrote his Tevye stories he was still living in Russia. Still, I agree that it's unlikely that he borrowed his plot from Jane Austen.
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  12. bomag says:

    The dreary thing here is that this is another reminder that we have a vast army of thought police on the job, scrutinizing all public utterances for any infraction against the large and growing list of bad things.

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  13. He added that “most people know” that Asians “are smarter on average than other people in America.”

    Strictly speaking this view is false. The data the false view is based on do not take into account intellectual creativity, innovation, and discovery, three areas of intelligence in which Europeans excel.

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    But is creativity genetic or cultural?
    , @AnotherDad

    Strictly speaking this view is false.
     
    It's certainly false as stated. But not for the reasons you cite.

    It's false because most Asians aren't NE Asians, which is who Mr. Klein is thinking about. The IQ average of Asians is undoubtedly somewhere in mid-90s--a bit better than the world average, but nothing to write home to mom about.

    However, as he means it--Chinese, Koreans, Japanese--it is almost certainly correct, even if those groups tend to lag behind whites in true "outside the box" thinking. And even there, how great is our "outside the box" thinking if it involves dreaming up shit like importing hostile foreigners into our lands?
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  14. Let’s face it the Russian are the greatest white dancers (think Nijinsky and Pavlova) so it is not a fair comparison. The bottle dancing scene at the Wedding in Fiddler on the Roof is still pretty awesome.

    I actually saw a bottle dance at a Lubavitch wedding when I was in high school. It was pretty great.

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  15. black sea says:
    @inertial
    Mort Klein is an economist, a biostatistician, and a lecturer in statistics. He knows what he is talking about. For all I know he could be La Griffe du Lion.

    As a statistican, Mort Klein surely understands that if “Asians are smarter on average than other people in America,” ther must be a category or categories of people who are dumber on average than other people in America.

    That’s why this sort of comment gets “thought-crimed.”

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    • Replies: @Trelane

    ther must be a category or categories of people who are dumber on average than other people in America.
     
    How 'bout this
    https://youtu.be/sHKUcXNq_xk
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  16. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Opinionator

    He added that “most people know” that Asians “are smarter on average than other people in America.”
     
    Strictly speaking this view is false. The data the false view is based on do not take into account intellectual creativity, innovation, and discovery, three areas of intelligence in which Europeans excel.

    But is creativity genetic or cultural?

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    But is creativity genetic or cultural?
     
    It is both and it is neither. It is its own begining and its own ending.

    https://youtu.be/9463hBWy0ig
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  17. Trelane says:

    Nobody dances better than Belgium dancing Jews

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    • Replies: @Hrw-500
    Or even non-Jews like how the late French actor Louis De Funès, performed the role of a guy disguised as a Jew named Rabbi Jacob to escape his assaillants. Here an exterpt from the movie "Les Aventures de Rabbi Jacob"(The Adventures of Rabbi Jacob, 1973).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyPf7JjVgeU
    , @anonymous
    Corey Booker would be in his element at this event.
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  18. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The Russian Orthodox peasants are looked down upon, but they are superior dancers even at the male-only stuff:

    Here is a video of Russian soldiers doing a Cossack dance. The skills displayed by the soloists later in the video are quite impressive.

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  19. @Anon
    I find dancing to the stupidest activity. I get it from an evolutionary angle. How music and dance have been part of bonding, warfare, courtship, and etc.

    Still, I find dancing to be stupid. I only like Gene Kelly in SINGING IN RAIN and YOUNG GIRLS OF ROCHEFORT. Rest of dancing can be flushed down the toilet for all I care.

    Animals don't dance. Good for them.

    Birds have quite elaborate mating dances. Jose Ortega y Gasset in his short essay, Meditations on Hunting, noted that the three activities in which aristocrats who had no need to work engaged in were hunting, dancing and conversation. If I had a son I’d tell him to learn to dance (I wish I had) and social dancing should be taught in every school to get boys and girls, and then young men and women, comfortable with each other in close proximity. You can be in close proximity and still be proper, providing you follow the rules!

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    I was going to say. Animals are known for pretty elaborate "dance-like" displays.
    , @AnotherDad

    If I had a son I’d tell him to learn to dance (I wish I had) and social dancing should be taught in every school to get boys and girls, and then young men and women, comfortable with each other in close proximity. You can be in close proximity and still be proper, providing you follow the rules!
     
    Well said. (And "follow the rules!" ... reminds me of Catholic school.)

    Girls like dancing. Most guys would rather throw, catch or hit a ball. But any young man who wants to do well with the ladies, should make themselves comfortable dancing whether they like it or not. And schools teaching social dancing to help ease awkwardness in the meeting and mating market is a good thing. Schools should both be teaching dancing and other useful traditional social etiquette *and* shaming sluttery and single-motherhood. The message should be "men and women" belong together and the proper socially useful goal is marriage and children.
    , @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    Agree about the social dances. We all come from people who had folk dance and folk music. I imagine Irish are best at Irish dance, Spaniards at la Jota, etc.
    Contra and square dancing can be quite fun, build community while also bringing young men and women of the community together.
    The "dancing" that gays, gals, and blacks are "better" at is modern, individualistic dancing: showing off and preening.
    Good for signaling in an atomistic world I suppose.
    That world is dieing pretty well. Millenials don't even have premarital sex as much as previous generations...
    Boomer adults in my community, who were always traditionalists or fleeing their 60s selves, started contra dances for the kids, which were very popular and very good for the esprit of the community as a whole... as if future was brightening... lots of young, fertile marriages coming out of that trad crowd...
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  20. There is a very good Jewish dancing scene in The Mad Adventures of Rabbi Jacob, a 1973 French movie starring Louis de Funés.

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  21. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Wow, it’s great to be Jewish.

    Most hate-hoaxers just get jollies for their stunts.

    But a Jewish hate-hoaxer gets paid in millions.

    http://www.jns.org/news-briefs/2017/4/7/jcc-bomb-threats-suspect-traded-millions-in-bitcoin-on-darknet-probe-reveals#.WOevB1MrLBI=

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  22. Trelane says:
    @black sea
    As a statistican, Mort Klein surely understands that if "Asians are smarter on average than other people in America," ther must be a category or categories of people who are dumber on average than other people in America.

    That's why this sort of comment gets "thought-crimed."

    ther must be a category or categories of people who are dumber on average than other people in America.

    How ’bout this

    https://youtu.be/sHKUcXNq_xk

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  23. @inertial

    In 2010 I pointed out how much the basic situation of Fiddler on the Roof is borrowed from Pride & Prejudice.
     
    That's highly unlikely. Jane Austen may be a superstar in the 21 century America but she was almost totally unknown in the 19 century Russia (first Russian translation of Pride & Prejudice was made in 1967.) So how did Sholem Aleichem come up with the basic plot? I suspect he took it from life.

    I googled “man with five daughters to marry”.

    The Daughters of Zelophehad (Hebrew: בְּנוֹת צְלָפְחָד‎‎) were five sisters – Mahlah, Noa, Hoglah, Milcah, and Tirzah – mentioned in the Hebrew Bible, (Numbers 27) who lived at the end of the Israelites’ Exodus from Egypt as they prepared to enter the Promised Land and who raised before the Israelite community the case of a woman’s right and obligation to inherit property in the absence of a male heir in the family. Zelophehad (possibly meaning “first born”), a man of the Tribe of Manasseh, had five daughters but no sons, and therefore no male heirs.

    … Later, the family heads of the clan of Manasseh’s grandson Gilead appealed to Moses and the chieftains, arguing that if Zelophehad’s daughters married men from another Israelite tribe, then their share would be lost to the tribe of Manasseh and be added to the portion of the tribe into which they married. So Moses, at God’s bidding, instructed the Israelites that the plea of the tribal leaders was just and that Zelophehad’s daughters could marry anyone they wished, but only among the men of the tribe of Manasseh.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daughters_of_Zelophehad

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    22 Triumph104 > the tribal leaders was just and that Zelophehad’s daughters could marry anyone they wished

    Our Sages wrote: Tribe of Asher had daughters that were the most beautiful; High Priests and Kings traveled up north to marry them.

    boys from Asher & Dan were also well known for running away to sea on Phoenician (immediate neighbors, with real mountains or other natural barriers) ships.

    An archeologist told me that in those early days, many tribes were able to operate "toll booths" at the tribal borders. The predecessor of the small-town speed trap, I suppose. SHutting those down was one of the reasons King David became popular.
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  24. Bill P says:

    I like sufi music and dance. English commoners liked it, too. Hence the Morris Dance, which is the medieval English version of whirling dervishes.

    I also like Gaelic dancing (e.g. Scottish sword dance), which has a fair amount in common with its Slavic counterpart. Nowadays it’s mostly performed by girls, which is kind of disgraceful given its origin.

    People might wonder what kind of dancing the Germanic peoples came up with. Well, it’s essentially square dancing, which very much includes women.

    I like African/black dancing, too. Dancing is pretty cool all around. It’s probably the best way to get an insight into any given culture in a short amount of time.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    They still dance Quadrille in the West Indies. Isn't that nice?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh6cWrA2DKg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrille

    "The quadrille consists of a chain of four to six contredanses, courtly versions of English country dances that had been taken up at the court of Louis XIV and spread across Europe."
    , @Chrisnonymous

    It’s probably the best way to get an insight into any given culture in a short amount of time.
     
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lu5Vn1vQ5i4
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  25. Man… that Chechen dance video had a seriously ooga-booga vibe considering it was done by literate Caucasoid monotheists. The chanting sounded cool, but going of the audio alone, I would guess I was listening to some kind of African cow slaughtering ceremony

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    Chechens are scary.

    There are only a few hundred in the U.S., but just three of them have caused all sorts of trouble.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    I think Chechens are what you get when you teach white people Islam and have it stick for a few generations. White Christians who emerge next century will probably be more like Chechens.
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  26. Moshe says:

    What are the odds. I saw my first Zikr yesterday.

    The Jew shuffle I’ve seen plenty. When it’s faster than a shuffle it can be pretty fun, even if not terribly skillful.

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  27. Trelane says:
    @Anon
    But is creativity genetic or cultural?

    But is creativity genetic or cultural?

    It is both and it is neither. It is its own begining and its own ending.

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    They reuse that same set way too much.
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  28. Moshe says:
    @Broski
    So, according to the Wik, Mr. Klein has Tourette's.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morton_Klein

    Was this an episode, or is he simply inured to social opprobrium beacause of sufficient exposure?

    The n**** certainly does have a speech impediment. Not sure if it sometimes comes out as stuttering but yes, I only heard him speak once, which was the time I actually had a private meeting with him in his office, and I came away thinking, “how the fuck is this guy such a big shot?!”

    Turns out the answer may be that if you just speak precisely your mind at precisely the volume you want to speak at and you tone up the anger level, there’s nothing to tourette. Get rid of the concept of “forbidden speech” and you won’t need to overcompensate for the constipation with a flood of crazy speech you wouldn’t have even wanted to say in the first place.

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  29. In the Soviet Union, dissidents created a manual with instructions on how to answer safely during KGB interrogations, so as to be sent home and not to the gulag. Klein has done the same service for the current year. When the Parse Police come to the door, recite.

    WHAT. ARE YOU?
    by Morton Klein

    What are you, stupid?
    Everyone knows.
    Everyone knows it is simply a fact
    On average.
    Different groups.
    On average.
    Different, positive talents.
    On average.
    Positive.
    A positive thing to say.
    You should really be ashamed
    of even calling me about this.
    Are you stupid?

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  30. Karl says:
    @Triumph104
    I googled "man with five daughters to marry".


    The Daughters of Zelophehad (Hebrew: בְּנוֹת צְלָפְחָד‎‎) were five sisters - Mahlah, Noa, Hoglah, Milcah, and Tirzah - mentioned in the Hebrew Bible, (Numbers 27) who lived at the end of the Israelites' Exodus from Egypt as they prepared to enter the Promised Land and who raised before the Israelite community the case of a woman's right and obligation to inherit property in the absence of a male heir in the family. Zelophehad (possibly meaning "first born"), a man of the Tribe of Manasseh, had five daughters but no sons, and therefore no male heirs.

    ... Later, the family heads of the clan of Manasseh's grandson Gilead appealed to Moses and the chieftains, arguing that if Zelophehad's daughters married men from another Israelite tribe, then their share would be lost to the tribe of Manasseh and be added to the portion of the tribe into which they married. So Moses, at God's bidding, instructed the Israelites that the plea of the tribal leaders was just and that Zelophehad's daughters could marry anyone they wished, but only among the men of the tribe of Manasseh.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daughters_of_Zelophehad

    22 Triumph104 > the tribal leaders was just and that Zelophehad’s daughters could marry anyone they wished

    Our Sages wrote: Tribe of Asher had daughters that were the most beautiful; High Priests and Kings traveled up north to marry them.

    boys from Asher & Dan were also well known for running away to sea on Phoenician (immediate neighbors, with real mountains or other natural barriers) ships.

    An archeologist told me that in those early days, many tribes were able to operate “toll booths” at the tribal borders. The predecessor of the small-town speed trap, I suppose. SHutting those down was one of the reasons King David became popular.

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  31. Selvar says:

    (((Something))) tells me he’ll be let off much easier than a goy making the same sort of comment regarding racial differences. No groveling or career ending blacklist for him. I do like his in your face attitude about it though. Very Trumpish.

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    I was surprised by this story until I read:


    Klein is the president of the Zionist Organization Of America, a leading right-wing pro-Israel group. He was the first Jewish leader to formally meet with the Trump administration after the inauguration.
     
    So definitely a whom. Makes sense now.
    , @biz
    Damn if you do, damned if you don't.

    If he ultimately gets dismissed from his position because of these remarks, it will be yet more evidence of how Jews are PC leftists. Whereas if he keeps the position, it will be evidence of Jewish hypocrisy and protecting their own. Or If he had never made the remarks it would be evidence of Jews being true believers in and pushers of blank-slatism. Or if he made the remarks but then retracted them, Jewish scheming and cynicism. etc.
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  32. delmas says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    That Chechen stuff looks like fun!

    I think I would have made a good Chechen. I must confess to a real affection for Kadyrov. He seems like a jolly sort of chieftain to me. A terror to his enemies, yes, but very good to his own.

    That Chechen stuff looks wierd. It could be a dance to the devil. Glad I was baptized into the Christian religion.

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  33. @Bill P
    I like sufi music and dance. English commoners liked it, too. Hence the Morris Dance, which is the medieval English version of whirling dervishes.

    I also like Gaelic dancing (e.g. Scottish sword dance), which has a fair amount in common with its Slavic counterpart. Nowadays it's mostly performed by girls, which is kind of disgraceful given its origin.

    People might wonder what kind of dancing the Germanic peoples came up with. Well, it's essentially square dancing, which very much includes women.

    I like African/black dancing, too. Dancing is pretty cool all around. It's probably the best way to get an insight into any given culture in a short amount of time.

    They still dance Quadrille in the West Indies. Isn’t that nice?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrille

    “The quadrille consists of a chain of four to six contredanses, courtly versions of English country dances that had been taken up at the court of Louis XIV and spread across Europe.”

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    They still dance Quadrille in the West Indies. Isn’t that nice?
     
    Most iSteve-y comment ever.
    , @Anonym
    I'm imagining it to be something like this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ouDO67wYMI
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  34. Altai says:
    @Anonymous Nephew
    They still dance Quadrille in the West Indies. Isn't that nice?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh6cWrA2DKg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrille

    "The quadrille consists of a chain of four to six contredanses, courtly versions of English country dances that had been taken up at the court of Louis XIV and spread across Europe."

    They still dance Quadrille in the West Indies. Isn’t that nice?

    Most iSteve-y comment ever.

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    White people should learn the Quadrille. It would probably increase the fertility rate by 5%.
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  35. @Intelligent Dasein
    That Chechen stuff looks like fun!

    I think I would have made a good Chechen. I must confess to a real affection for Kadyrov. He seems like a jolly sort of chieftain to me. A terror to his enemies, yes, but very good to his own.

    If Steve had said that Chechen Sufi clip was some kind of Sephardic Jewish dance, I’d have believed it.

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    Jews and Arabs - half brother Semites. And Islam is the religion of Arabic culture. Islam produces basic Arabic cultural proclivities wherever it becomes established.
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  36. @Sushi musashi
    Man... that Chechen dance video had a seriously ooga-booga vibe considering it was done by literate Caucasoid monotheists. The chanting sounded cool, but going of the audio alone, I would guess I was listening to some kind of African cow slaughtering ceremony

    Chechens are scary.

    There are only a few hundred in the U.S., but just three of them have caused all sorts of trouble.

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    Chechen immigrants--they get (certain) jobs done

    The scariest and best ISIS commander was Chechen Abu Omar al-shishani. He was a veteran of the US-backed Georgian military.

    Plucky little freedom fighters just need some help every once in a while. Thankfully we're excellent at finding the "good guys" in hellish multi-faceted conflicts.
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  37. @Altai

    They still dance Quadrille in the West Indies. Isn’t that nice?
     
    Most iSteve-y comment ever.

    White people should learn the Quadrille. It would probably increase the fertility rate by 5%.

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    White people should learn the Quadrille. It would probably increase the fertility rate by 5%.
     
    Sounds like a post for https://twitter.com/BronzeAgeSperg.

    I remember we had ceili dancing at school in Ireland. It was fairly common at secondary schools that were mixed. The whole week that fell in Seachtain na Gaeilge our Irish class would consist of ceili dancing. There would also be a proper ceili dance for all years with tickets that would go fast, at least at my school. Can't recall any romantic entanglements it generated, there wasn't a lot of time to talk to your partner. It may make more sense in the context of a more traditional social situation where the implication of coupling is more explicit.
    , @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    Agreed!
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  38. Anonym says:

    My guess is that the old guys go in the eye wall of the Sufi Chechen hurricane.

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  39. Anonym says:
    @Anonymous Nephew
    They still dance Quadrille in the West Indies. Isn't that nice?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh6cWrA2DKg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrille

    "The quadrille consists of a chain of four to six contredanses, courtly versions of English country dances that had been taken up at the court of Louis XIV and spread across Europe."

    I’m imagining it to be something like this:

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  40. @Steve Sailer
    Chechens are scary.

    There are only a few hundred in the U.S., but just three of them have caused all sorts of trouble.

    Chechen immigrants–they get (certain) jobs done

    The scariest and best ISIS commander was Chechen Abu Omar al-shishani. He was a veteran of the US-backed Georgian military.

    Plucky little freedom fighters just need some help every once in a while. Thankfully we’re excellent at finding the “good guys” in hellish multi-faceted conflicts.

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  41. @Sushi musashi
    Man... that Chechen dance video had a seriously ooga-booga vibe considering it was done by literate Caucasoid monotheists. The chanting sounded cool, but going of the audio alone, I would guess I was listening to some kind of African cow slaughtering ceremony

    I think Chechens are what you get when you teach white people Islam and have it stick for a few generations. White Christians who emerge next century will probably be more like Chechens.

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    In behavior maybe so, but in music I don't know. Turks are largely white, and they've historically had the love of forcible buggery and edged weapons that one would expect from an islamified warrior society... but their music still sounds distinctly civilized... The polyrythmic grunting I heard in that video, was not merely the sound of a violent culture... it was the sound of primitives getting carried away with themselves... a manifestation of very strange subjective states. Hopefully if Christians turn warlike again, it'll sound more " je nus Hons pris" less "shimmy shimmy ya"
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  42. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Whiskey
    The thing with dances is they favor: extroverted, exhibitionist males with good aesthetic sense and coordination in rhythm to music. That also can keep time and LIKE lots of attention focused on them. In other words **GAY**. Or female, same thing.

    Mr. Darcy as you will recall, did not fare well during the dance, making a negative impression despite his wealth on Elizabeth Bennett who much preferred the bounder character who ended up running of with her young sister.

    This makes alcohol at dances pretty much mandatory, as it takes a lot of booze to loosen up male inhibitions and even more to make ordinary dudes lacking the top 5% of charisma and charm and extraversion to ordinary women: call it vodka glasses. A dry society will naturally favor just the few sorta gay dudes who are good at dancing and posing, think John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever.

    No wait, Travolta is a bad example, being as how he is the very model of bluff, John Wayne style straight masculinity. Well, you know what I'm talking about, and its not thetans either.

    Bottom line, dancing is for chicks and gays. Like Mailer said, Tough Guys Don't Dance. And Chuck Norris don't disco.

    What a beautiful illustration of how Judaic homophobia warps and cripples the appreciation of human culture. I don’t even have to bring up the Renaissance, just look at the videos here, schmuck. EVEN JEWS DANCE.

    That’s why They have a wall, an ethnostate, national health care and lots of guns, while you stew in your conservatard/libertard prejudices.

    Goyishe kopf.

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    He's talking about a particular kind of dance, one favored in modern "hook-up culture." You might call it "exhibitionist dance." That certainly does require a lot of the traits correctly associated with the contemporary urban gay.

    Dance as such is something else, and obviously not all of it resembles what Travolta was up to in the more famous part of Saturday Night Fever, i.e. the You Should Be Dancing scene. But there were other forms of dance, "proper dance" as another poster put it, in that movie: ballroom and line dancing. Disco was probably the last true mass flowering in popular culture of the older kinds of dance, with the Hustle and so forth. I don't count the 90s swing fad or the Macarena. Salsa continues to be moderately popular, though.

    Proper dance, with steps, person to person contact of the non-simulated sex act variety, etc., is different from individual show-offy dance. It reinforces the social order. I don't think the above poster had that in mind.

    At the same time, he wasn't making the old everyone who cares about their personal appearance or high culture is a homo argument. Because the subject is black superiority in dancing, and blacks aren't the world's foremost ballroom or line dancers. They excel at the same thing they excel in dance as they excel in music, comedy, fashion, slang, etc. Namely, their quick and resourceful improvisation. Which is why they're so good at the currently popular form of dance.

    Gays and women like it, too, much more than regular white males currently.

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  43. Hrw-500 says:
    @Trelane
    Nobody dances better than Belgium dancing Jews

    https://youtu.be/Ruq3ts7gM10

    Or even non-Jews like how the late French actor Louis De Funès, performed the role of a guy disguised as a Jew named Rabbi Jacob to escape his assaillants. Here an exterpt from the movie “Les Aventures de Rabbi Jacob”(The Adventures of Rabbi Jacob, 1973).

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  44. Altai says:
    @Steve Sailer
    White people should learn the Quadrille. It would probably increase the fertility rate by 5%.

    White people should learn the Quadrille. It would probably increase the fertility rate by 5%.

    Sounds like a post for https://twitter.com/BronzeAgeSperg.

    I remember we had ceili dancing at school in Ireland. It was fairly common at secondary schools that were mixed. The whole week that fell in Seachtain na Gaeilge our Irish class would consist of ceili dancing. There would also be a proper ceili dance for all years with tickets that would go fast, at least at my school. Can’t recall any romantic entanglements it generated, there wasn’t a lot of time to talk to your partner. It may make more sense in the context of a more traditional social situation where the implication of coupling is more explicit.

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  45. People like you, Josh, you should really be ashamed of even calling me about this.

    Ha! I love this guy. Flip the script.

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  46. Blacks are not actually very good professional dancers. They have several physical advantages such as relatively longer and more gracile limbs (well those of East African Neotic ancestry), dark skin which better shows off their musculature, and a natural sense of rhythm. However this is all undermined by their lack of mental toughness, discipline, and a low tolerance for pain. Their theatricality could also use some work, which is usually ignored in lieu of their physical advantages.

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    Blacks are not actually very good professional dancers. They have several physical advantages such as relatively longer and more gracile limbs (well those of East African Neotic ancestry), dark skin which better shows off their musculature, and a natural sense of rhythm. However this is all undermined by their lack of mental toughness, discipline, and a low tolerance for pain. Their theatricality could also use some work, which is usually ignored in lieu of their physical advantages.
     
    Exactly. If blacks were de facto better at dancing, you'd see a lot more of them on "dancing with the stars." But you don't, for the reasons stated above. They can accelerate in the athletic aspects of dance, but subtlety isn't a common black attribute.

    That is, we'll likely never see a black answer to Fred Astaire.

    Even Michael Jackson, who had a rudimentary grasp on subtlety. . . If you've ever been to one of his concerts, you'd notice that after a short time, he begins repeating himself. He runs out of moves. His later videos were boring parodies of himself. Familiar, worn out spectacle for the proles. Fred Astaire rarely had that issue throughout his career.

    White dancers can take dance to the level of art. Blacks will generally always remain athletic tacticians. Athletic showboaters relying on spectacle, or a white choreographer.
    , @Truth

    Blacks are not actually very good professional dancers. They have several physical advantages such as... dark skin which better shows off their musculature,
     
    I don't know, Sport I think you've been watching dance-themed Porn, recently. Maybe Dick Swingin' in the Rain, or A Whore's Line?
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  47. @Diversity Heretic
    Birds have quite elaborate mating dances. Jose Ortega y Gasset in his short essay, Meditations on Hunting, noted that the three activities in which aristocrats who had no need to work engaged in were hunting, dancing and conversation. If I had a son I'd tell him to learn to dance (I wish I had) and social dancing should be taught in every school to get boys and girls, and then young men and women, comfortable with each other in close proximity. You can be in close proximity and still be proper, providing you follow the rules!

    I was going to say. Animals are known for pretty elaborate “dance-like” displays.

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  48. @Trelane

    But is creativity genetic or cultural?
     
    It is both and it is neither. It is its own begining and its own ending.

    https://youtu.be/9463hBWy0ig

    They reuse that same set way too much.

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    I know right? I saw Floyd's Mayberry barber shop in one episode.
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  49. @Whiskey
    The thing with dances is they favor: extroverted, exhibitionist males with good aesthetic sense and coordination in rhythm to music. That also can keep time and LIKE lots of attention focused on them. In other words **GAY**. Or female, same thing.

    Mr. Darcy as you will recall, did not fare well during the dance, making a negative impression despite his wealth on Elizabeth Bennett who much preferred the bounder character who ended up running of with her young sister.

    This makes alcohol at dances pretty much mandatory, as it takes a lot of booze to loosen up male inhibitions and even more to make ordinary dudes lacking the top 5% of charisma and charm and extraversion to ordinary women: call it vodka glasses. A dry society will naturally favor just the few sorta gay dudes who are good at dancing and posing, think John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever.

    No wait, Travolta is a bad example, being as how he is the very model of bluff, John Wayne style straight masculinity. Well, you know what I'm talking about, and its not thetans either.

    Bottom line, dancing is for chicks and gays. Like Mailer said, Tough Guys Don't Dance. And Chuck Norris don't disco.

    See my response to Anon. Boys and men should be forced to learn how to dance, but proper dances, with steps and moves and keeping contact with your partner and all that. Keep Chuck Norris–no one ever kicked sand in Fred Astaire’s face, although he admitted that he was not a natural dancer and had to work quite hard at it.

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  50. res says:
    @Selvar
    (((Something))) tells me he'll be let off much easier than a goy making the same sort of comment regarding racial differences. No groveling or career ending blacklist for him. I do like his in your face attitude about it though. Very Trumpish.

    I was surprised by this story until I read:

    Klein is the president of the Zionist Organization Of America, a leading right-wing pro-Israel group. He was the first Jewish leader to formally meet with the Trump administration after the inauguration.

    So definitely a whom. Makes sense now.

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  51. @Anon
    I find dancing to the stupidest activity. I get it from an evolutionary angle. How music and dance have been part of bonding, warfare, courtship, and etc.

    Still, I find dancing to be stupid. I only like Gene Kelly in SINGING IN RAIN and YOUNG GIRLS OF ROCHEFORT. Rest of dancing can be flushed down the toilet for all I care.

    Animals don't dance. Good for them.

    Many animal species dance as part of courtship.

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  52. @Bill P
    I like sufi music and dance. English commoners liked it, too. Hence the Morris Dance, which is the medieval English version of whirling dervishes.

    I also like Gaelic dancing (e.g. Scottish sword dance), which has a fair amount in common with its Slavic counterpart. Nowadays it's mostly performed by girls, which is kind of disgraceful given its origin.

    People might wonder what kind of dancing the Germanic peoples came up with. Well, it's essentially square dancing, which very much includes women.

    I like African/black dancing, too. Dancing is pretty cool all around. It's probably the best way to get an insight into any given culture in a short amount of time.

    It’s probably the best way to get an insight into any given culture in a short amount of time.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lu5Vn1vQ5i4

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  53. Ivy says:
    @Anon
    I find dancing to the stupidest activity. I get it from an evolutionary angle. How music and dance have been part of bonding, warfare, courtship, and etc.

    Still, I find dancing to be stupid. I only like Gene Kelly in SINGING IN RAIN and YOUNG GIRLS OF ROCHEFORT. Rest of dancing can be flushed down the toilet for all I care.

    Animals don't dance. Good for them.

    As Diversity Heretic points out, birds dance.
    So do bees, to communicate about food sources, with some interesting geo-location skills.
    That food-dance notion found its way into a Wall Street book by John Train: Dance of the Money Bees

    Bonus dance link, go to around the 22 minute mark:

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  54. Capriol.

    I much enjoy fencing, and tennis, and these introduce me to many young men. But without a knowledge of dancing, I could not please the damsels, on whom it seems to me that the entire reputation of an eligible young man in society depends.

    Arbeau.

    You speak wisely, for naturally the male and female seek one another; and there is nothing which more inclines a man to acts of courtesy, honesty and generosity than love; and if you wish to marry, you will more easily find a suitable mistress by the gaiety and grace displayed in dancing, for the ladies do not like to be present at fencing, or tennis, lest a stray splinter or a blow from a tennis ball should cause them injury.

    And there is more to it than this, for dancing is practiced to know if the lovers are healthy and sound of wind and limb, at the end of which they are permitted to kiss their mistresses, so that they may touch and savour one another, in order to ascertain that they do not emit an unpleasant odour, as of bad meat. So you see that, taking these several points into account, dancing becomes a necessity in a well-ordered society.

    From Orchesographie, published 1589

    http://www.graner.net/nicolas/arbeau/orcheso02.html

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  55. IBC says:

    That last dance is like some kind of turbocharged pow-wow.

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  56. The Chechen Sufi dancing is very cool but if you want to see some more typical dancing from the Caucasus then type Lezginka in on You Tube. Every Caucasian region has its own version of this dance which is basically a way for the men to show off in front of one another and the eligible women.

    BTW, I’ve always wondered why someone doesn’t start an exercise class based on simple folk dances. Sufi dancing is intended to be so hypnotic that the dancers literally exert themselves until they fall to the floor from exhaustion. I once spent fifteen minutes or so dancing a Dajchovo, a moderately fast Bulgarian dance. Only when the music stop did I realize I was totally wiped out and dripping sweat. For most of the dance I probably had a heart rate in the 160/minute range. And I’m a guy who starts huffing and puffing after a couple of flights of stairs. The same thing happens at New England contra dances – an American derivative of Jane Austen’s English Country Dances.

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    How can I resist ?

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  58. “Each different peoples have different talents that everyone knows. And everyone knows that blacks are, on average, are better dancers than other people.”

    Does this suggest that there are different flaws in each different peoples too?

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  59. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Duke of Qin
    Blacks are not actually very good professional dancers. They have several physical advantages such as relatively longer and more gracile limbs (well those of East African Neotic ancestry), dark skin which better shows off their musculature, and a natural sense of rhythm. However this is all undermined by their lack of mental toughness, discipline, and a low tolerance for pain. Their theatricality could also use some work, which is usually ignored in lieu of their physical advantages.

    Blacks are not actually very good professional dancers. They have several physical advantages such as relatively longer and more gracile limbs (well those of East African Neotic ancestry), dark skin which better shows off their musculature, and a natural sense of rhythm. However this is all undermined by their lack of mental toughness, discipline, and a low tolerance for pain. Their theatricality could also use some work, which is usually ignored in lieu of their physical advantages.

    Exactly. If blacks were de facto better at dancing, you’d see a lot more of them on “dancing with the stars.” But you don’t, for the reasons stated above. They can accelerate in the athletic aspects of dance, but subtlety isn’t a common black attribute.

    That is, we’ll likely never see a black answer to Fred Astaire.

    Even Michael Jackson, who had a rudimentary grasp on subtlety. . . If you’ve ever been to one of his concerts, you’d notice that after a short time, he begins repeating himself. He runs out of moves. His later videos were boring parodies of himself. Familiar, worn out spectacle for the proles. Fred Astaire rarely had that issue throughout his career.

    White dancers can take dance to the level of art. Blacks will generally always remain athletic tacticians. Athletic showboaters relying on spectacle, or a white choreographer.

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    Fred Astaire rarely had that issue throughout his career.
     
    LOL, I don't remember Fred Astaire doing 119 city tours; or making videos for 4 albums, but then, it was before my time
    , @Duke of Qin
    To be honest, the dance in Dancing with the Stars is mostly third rate. The actors abilities are generally limited and even the professionals are not exceptional. The young talent on So You Think You can Dance is generally much better.

    Your second point touches on the Black facility for improvisation. They are extremely adept at dancing without set choreography, but that is generally not my cup of tea. My tastes generally run towards nations folkloric and character dances as well as contemporary ballet. I like structure and form in my dancing. Martha Graham maybe the icon of modern Dance, but like Luther she inadvertently opened a Pandora's box to the degeneration of contemporary dance to its sad present state of being a singular vessel for the egomaniac vanities and "muh feels" of young dancers.
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  60. Jake says:
    @inertial

    In 2010 I pointed out how much the basic situation of Fiddler on the Roof is borrowed from Pride & Prejudice.
     
    That's highly unlikely. Jane Austen may be a superstar in the 21 century America but she was almost totally unknown in the 19 century Russia (first Russian translation of Pride & Prejudice was made in 1967.) So how did Sholem Aleichem come up with the basic plot? I suspect he took it from life.

    Sholem Aleichem wrote in Yiddish, which is Germanic. I would guess that (A) he was at least fairly well read in things German and (B) that Austen had been translated into German in the 19th century.

    I know absolutely zero scholarship on him and his work, but my guesses are that he probably derived most of the plots of the stories from tales and talking among Jews in the Russian Empire and that he probably knew some English fiction in German translation.

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    I've read the Tevye the Milkman stories (the inspiration for Fiddler on the Roof) in English translation. Tevye's daughters are symbolic of the ideological solutions that Eastern European Jews were adopting as modernization swept over the stetls and ghettoes. As I remember, one daughter marries a Zionist and emigrates to Israel, another marries and emigrates to America, a third warms her father's heart by marrying an echte Yid and staying near home. I can't recall how the other daughter (or was it daughters) wound up. But the basic theme behind the stories was pretty clear. As I remember courtship rituals played not so much of a role in the stories. The crises always occurred after Tevye learned of each daughter's plans.

    By the way, and off-topic: It never ceases to amaze me how few Jews of my acquaintance have bothered to read these classics which are well-written, entertaining, and informative. I'm suspicious one reason may be that most of Yiddish literature with which I'm familiar (all in translation) is pretty much indifferent to Zionism's siren song.
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  61. Jake says:
    @PiltdownMan
    If Steve had said that Chechen Sufi clip was some kind of Sephardic Jewish dance, I'd have believed it.

    Jews and Arabs – half brother Semites. And Islam is the religion of Arabic culture. Islam produces basic Arabic cultural proclivities wherever it becomes established.

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  62. Jack D says:
    @inertial

    In 2010 I pointed out how much the basic situation of Fiddler on the Roof is borrowed from Pride & Prejudice.
     
    That's highly unlikely. Jane Austen may be a superstar in the 21 century America but she was almost totally unknown in the 19 century Russia (first Russian translation of Pride & Prejudice was made in 1967.) So how did Sholem Aleichem come up with the basic plot? I suspect he took it from life.

    Sholem Aleichem lived in NY at the end of his life (his granddaughter, Bel Kaufman, wrote “Up the Down Staircase’”) but at the time that he wrote his Tevye stories he was still living in Russia. Still, I agree that it’s unlikely that he borrowed his plot from Jane Austen.

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  63. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Trelane
    Nobody dances better than Belgium dancing Jews

    https://youtu.be/Ruq3ts7gM10

    Corey Booker would be in his element at this event.

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  64. I wonder if he’d get in equal, more, or less trouble if he’d said, “Blacks are not much better dancers than Jews.”

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  65. @Diversity Heretic
    Birds have quite elaborate mating dances. Jose Ortega y Gasset in his short essay, Meditations on Hunting, noted that the three activities in which aristocrats who had no need to work engaged in were hunting, dancing and conversation. If I had a son I'd tell him to learn to dance (I wish I had) and social dancing should be taught in every school to get boys and girls, and then young men and women, comfortable with each other in close proximity. You can be in close proximity and still be proper, providing you follow the rules!

    If I had a son I’d tell him to learn to dance (I wish I had) and social dancing should be taught in every school to get boys and girls, and then young men and women, comfortable with each other in close proximity. You can be in close proximity and still be proper, providing you follow the rules!

    Well said. (And “follow the rules!” … reminds me of Catholic school.)

    Girls like dancing. Most guys would rather throw, catch or hit a ball. But any young man who wants to do well with the ladies, should make themselves comfortable dancing whether they like it or not. And schools teaching social dancing to help ease awkwardness in the meeting and mating market is a good thing. Schools should both be teaching dancing and other useful traditional social etiquette *and* shaming sluttery and single-motherhood. The message should be “men and women” belong together and the proper socially useful goal is marriage and children.

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    Well said yourself, sir! Properly performed social dancing is part of a means to an end.
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  66. @Broski
    “What are you, stupid? What are you, stupid?” Klein said. “Each different peoples have different talents that everyone knows. And everyone knows that blacks are, on average, are better dancers than other people.”

    Love this guy!

    Love this guy!

    Me too. Especially the “are you stupid” bit. It’s long past time not just to be non-apologetic, but to mock the idiocy.

    Truth has a beauty just by being true.

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  67. @Opinionator

    He added that “most people know” that Asians “are smarter on average than other people in America.”
     
    Strictly speaking this view is false. The data the false view is based on do not take into account intellectual creativity, innovation, and discovery, three areas of intelligence in which Europeans excel.

    Strictly speaking this view is false.

    It’s certainly false as stated. But not for the reasons you cite.

    It’s false because most Asians aren’t NE Asians, which is who Mr. Klein is thinking about. The IQ average of Asians is undoubtedly somewhere in mid-90s–a bit better than the world average, but nothing to write home to mom about.

    However, as he means it–Chinese, Koreans, Japanese–it is almost certainly correct, even if those groups tend to lag behind whites in true “outside the box” thinking. And even there, how great is our “outside the box” thinking if it involves dreaming up shit like importing hostile foreigners into our lands?

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    However, as he means it–Chinese, Koreans, Japanese–it is almost certainly correct...
     
    ...because "Asian" should be taken littorally.
    , @Opinionator
    However, as he means it–Chinese, Koreans, Japanese–it is almost certainly correct, even if those groups tend to lag behind whites in true “outside the box” thinking.

    By conceding that those groups may lag behind European Americans in those intellectual measures, you have conceded that the reason I gave may be correct.

    And even there, how great is our “outside the box” thinking if it involves dreaming up shit like importing hostile foreigners into our lands?

    The sociability traits of Northern Europeans (trust, cooperation, rule of law; altruism) that have allowed them to create societies that Chinese and Indians are eager to partake of also help make them vulnerable to manipulation. But the main reason we are importing hostile foreigners is due to coercion.

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  68. @Jake
    Sholem Aleichem wrote in Yiddish, which is Germanic. I would guess that (A) he was at least fairly well read in things German and (B) that Austen had been translated into German in the 19th century.

    I know absolutely zero scholarship on him and his work, but my guesses are that he probably derived most of the plots of the stories from tales and talking among Jews in the Russian Empire and that he probably knew some English fiction in German translation.

    I’ve read the Tevye the Milkman stories (the inspiration for Fiddler on the Roof) in English translation. Tevye’s daughters are symbolic of the ideological solutions that Eastern European Jews were adopting as modernization swept over the stetls and ghettoes. As I remember, one daughter marries a Zionist and emigrates to Israel, another marries and emigrates to America, a third warms her father’s heart by marrying an echte Yid and staying near home. I can’t recall how the other daughter (or was it daughters) wound up. But the basic theme behind the stories was pretty clear. As I remember courtship rituals played not so much of a role in the stories. The crises always occurred after Tevye learned of each daughter’s plans.

    By the way, and off-topic: It never ceases to amaze me how few Jews of my acquaintance have bothered to read these classics which are well-written, entertaining, and informative. I’m suspicious one reason may be that most of Yiddish literature with which I’m familiar (all in translation) is pretty much indifferent to Zionism’s siren song.

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    There was a follow-up non sholem aleichem where the guy converts and becomes frum and moves to israel, v'chulei.

    As for reading him, I don't read much fiction but when I deign to do so I prefer it be something that isn't from a sub-sub genre of literature. I wish chassidim read some of the awesome Yiddish literature and philosophy of the 19th century but, in truth, their escapees are in fact the only ones who do (stray academics aside).
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  69. @AnotherDad

    If I had a son I’d tell him to learn to dance (I wish I had) and social dancing should be taught in every school to get boys and girls, and then young men and women, comfortable with each other in close proximity. You can be in close proximity and still be proper, providing you follow the rules!
     
    Well said. (And "follow the rules!" ... reminds me of Catholic school.)

    Girls like dancing. Most guys would rather throw, catch or hit a ball. But any young man who wants to do well with the ladies, should make themselves comfortable dancing whether they like it or not. And schools teaching social dancing to help ease awkwardness in the meeting and mating market is a good thing. Schools should both be teaching dancing and other useful traditional social etiquette *and* shaming sluttery and single-motherhood. The message should be "men and women" belong together and the proper socially useful goal is marriage and children.

    Well said yourself, sir! Properly performed social dancing is part of a means to an end.

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  70. @The Anti-Gnostic
    I think Chechens are what you get when you teach white people Islam and have it stick for a few generations. White Christians who emerge next century will probably be more like Chechens.

    In behavior maybe so, but in music I don’t know. Turks are largely white, and they’ve historically had the love of forcible buggery and edged weapons that one would expect from an islamified warrior society… but their music still sounds distinctly civilized… The polyrythmic grunting I heard in that video, was not merely the sound of a violent culture… it was the sound of primitives getting carried away with themselves… a manifestation of very strange subjective states. Hopefully if Christians turn warlike again, it’ll sound more ” je nus Hons pris” less “shimmy shimmy ya”

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    To a point my friend, to a point.

    First if all the edged weaponed Turks are rather Asiatic. And the citizenry of Turkey is a mixed multitude of all sorts

    More relevant though this wasn't music, it was Zikr. And it is done in Turkey as well. The thing is a rare Sufi experience but perhaps less rare before the special Orders were declared illegal a hundred years ago.

    As for taste, I happen to like it quite a bit. Meditative group singing/chanting is the very very best.

    And again, this wasn't music, it was Zikr. And Zikr is great.

    Le elah el alah

    alah alah alah alah alah alah

    Also, Sufis are generally less violent than other Muslims. Particularly today.
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  71. @Diversity Heretic
    Birds have quite elaborate mating dances. Jose Ortega y Gasset in his short essay, Meditations on Hunting, noted that the three activities in which aristocrats who had no need to work engaged in were hunting, dancing and conversation. If I had a son I'd tell him to learn to dance (I wish I had) and social dancing should be taught in every school to get boys and girls, and then young men and women, comfortable with each other in close proximity. You can be in close proximity and still be proper, providing you follow the rules!

    Agree about the social dances. We all come from people who had folk dance and folk music. I imagine Irish are best at Irish dance, Spaniards at la Jota, etc.
    Contra and square dancing can be quite fun, build community while also bringing young men and women of the community together.
    The “dancing” that gays, gals, and blacks are “better” at is modern, individualistic dancing: showing off and preening.
    Good for signaling in an atomistic world I suppose.
    That world is dieing pretty well. Millenials don’t even have premarital sex as much as previous generations…
    Boomer adults in my community, who were always traditionalists or fleeing their 60s selves, started contra dances for the kids, which were very popular and very good for the esprit of the community as a whole… as if future was brightening… lots of young, fertile marriages coming out of that trad crowd…

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  72. @Steve Sailer
    White people should learn the Quadrille. It would probably increase the fertility rate by 5%.

    Agreed!

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  73. guest says:
    @Anon
    What a beautiful illustration of how Judaic homophobia warps and cripples the appreciation of human culture. I don't even have to bring up the Renaissance, just look at the videos here, schmuck. EVEN JEWS DANCE.

    That's why They have a wall, an ethnostate, national health care and lots of guns, while you stew in your conservatard/libertard prejudices.

    Goyishe kopf.

    He’s talking about a particular kind of dance, one favored in modern “hook-up culture.” You might call it “exhibitionist dance.” That certainly does require a lot of the traits correctly associated with the contemporary urban gay.

    Dance as such is something else, and obviously not all of it resembles what Travolta was up to in the more famous part of Saturday Night Fever, i.e. the You Should Be Dancing scene. But there were other forms of dance, “proper dance” as another poster put it, in that movie: ballroom and line dancing. Disco was probably the last true mass flowering in popular culture of the older kinds of dance, with the Hustle and so forth. I don’t count the 90s swing fad or the Macarena. Salsa continues to be moderately popular, though.

    Proper dance, with steps, person to person contact of the non-simulated sex act variety, etc., is different from individual show-offy dance. It reinforces the social order. I don’t think the above poster had that in mind.

    At the same time, he wasn’t making the old everyone who cares about their personal appearance or high culture is a homo argument. Because the subject is black superiority in dancing, and blacks aren’t the world’s foremost ballroom or line dancers. They excel at the same thing they excel in dance as they excel in music, comedy, fashion, slang, etc. Namely, their quick and resourceful improvisation. Which is why they’re so good at the currently popular form of dance.

    Gays and women like it, too, much more than regular white males currently.

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  74. guest says:
    @Anon
    I find dancing to the stupidest activity. I get it from an evolutionary angle. How music and dance have been part of bonding, warfare, courtship, and etc.

    Still, I find dancing to be stupid. I only like Gene Kelly in SINGING IN RAIN and YOUNG GIRLS OF ROCHEFORT. Rest of dancing can be flushed down the toilet for all I care.

    Animals don't dance. Good for them.

    As other posters pointed out, animals dance. (Though that may be too metaphorical for your taste.) Animals are stupid, though, so I don’t think mentioning them helps your larger argument.

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  75. One note about love marriages (Pride) versus arranged (Fiddler): societies with love marriages have a greater frequency and importance of dances (ref below).

    Utah has always been a hotbed of ballroom dancing. It’s about the only worldly vice the Mormons allow their kids.

    And they do have a lot of them. After they fall in love on the dance floor.

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    Utah has always been a hotbed of ballroom dancing. It’s about the only worldly vice the Mormons allow their kids.
     
    Yeah, the young girls see the young boy's dance skills and fall in love...

    ...With the Boy's Daddies!
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  76. @AnotherDad

    Strictly speaking this view is false.
     
    It's certainly false as stated. But not for the reasons you cite.

    It's false because most Asians aren't NE Asians, which is who Mr. Klein is thinking about. The IQ average of Asians is undoubtedly somewhere in mid-90s--a bit better than the world average, but nothing to write home to mom about.

    However, as he means it--Chinese, Koreans, Japanese--it is almost certainly correct, even if those groups tend to lag behind whites in true "outside the box" thinking. And even there, how great is our "outside the box" thinking if it involves dreaming up shit like importing hostile foreigners into our lands?

    However, as he means it–Chinese, Koreans, Japanese–it is almost certainly correct…

    …because “Asian” should be taken littorally.

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  77. @AnotherDad

    Strictly speaking this view is false.
     
    It's certainly false as stated. But not for the reasons you cite.

    It's false because most Asians aren't NE Asians, which is who Mr. Klein is thinking about. The IQ average of Asians is undoubtedly somewhere in mid-90s--a bit better than the world average, but nothing to write home to mom about.

    However, as he means it--Chinese, Koreans, Japanese--it is almost certainly correct, even if those groups tend to lag behind whites in true "outside the box" thinking. And even there, how great is our "outside the box" thinking if it involves dreaming up shit like importing hostile foreigners into our lands?

    However, as he means it–Chinese, Koreans, Japanese–it is almost certainly correct, even if those groups tend to lag behind whites in true “outside the box” thinking.

    By conceding that those groups may lag behind European Americans in those intellectual measures, you have conceded that the reason I gave may be correct.

    And even there, how great is our “outside the box” thinking if it involves dreaming up shit like importing hostile foreigners into our lands?

    The sociability traits of Northern Europeans (trust, cooperation, rule of law; altruism) that have allowed them to create societies that Chinese and Indians are eager to partake of also help make them vulnerable to manipulation. But the main reason we are importing hostile foreigners is due to coercion.

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    "The sociability traits of Northern Europeans (trust, cooperation, rule of law; altruism) that have allowed them to create societies that Chinese and Indians are eager to partake of also help make them vulnerable to manipulation."

    Those traits are universal. Northern Europeans and Asians are trustful and trustworthy. However, each culture expresses those traits differently. Europeans tend to be ready to "make deals", Asians tend to be ready to "discuss deals". In this specific case, there is a "courtship" that takes place--lunches, meetings, excursions. During this process, trust is built by listening and evaluating their potential business partners. They are in the process of determining whether they want to conduct financial activities. Americans tend to offer too many details too soon.A savvy Swede, Finn, Briton, Canadian, and South African recognizes this pattern of behavior, is patient, and then consummates the deal that lasts several years or decades.

    Here is an interesting article regarding altruism and the Chinese. Educate yourself.

    http://www.euromoney.com/Article/3708360/Philanthropy-gears-up-with-Asian-altruism.html

    "Asia now has the most high net-worth individuals in the world and the largest amount of high net-worth wealth, according to Capgemini’s World Wealth Report 2016. It also seems to boast the highest level of altruism. While the US may be seen as the global leader when it comes to philanthropy, the majority of high net-worth individuals in the US say their passion for giving is driven by their own internal satisfaction."

    "But the main reason we are importing hostile foreigners is due to coercion."

    No. Immigrants have come to our nation because our representatives in Congress set forth the criteria that reflected the will of the people. Certainly, the House and Senate has the liberty to change that criteria to limit or reduce certain groups of people.
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  78. Truth says:
    @Whiskey
    The thing with dances is they favor: extroverted, exhibitionist males with good aesthetic sense and coordination in rhythm to music. That also can keep time and LIKE lots of attention focused on them. In other words **GAY**. Or female, same thing.

    Mr. Darcy as you will recall, did not fare well during the dance, making a negative impression despite his wealth on Elizabeth Bennett who much preferred the bounder character who ended up running of with her young sister.

    This makes alcohol at dances pretty much mandatory, as it takes a lot of booze to loosen up male inhibitions and even more to make ordinary dudes lacking the top 5% of charisma and charm and extraversion to ordinary women: call it vodka glasses. A dry society will naturally favor just the few sorta gay dudes who are good at dancing and posing, think John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever.

    No wait, Travolta is a bad example, being as how he is the very model of bluff, John Wayne style straight masculinity. Well, you know what I'm talking about, and its not thetans either.

    Bottom line, dancing is for chicks and gays. Like Mailer said, Tough Guys Don't Dance. And Chuck Norris don't disco.

    The thing with dances is they favor: extroverted, exhibitionist males with good aesthetic sense and coordination in rhythm to music. That also can keep time and LIKE lots of attention focused on them. In other words **GAY**.

    Wiskers, for Cryin’ out loud, Son, I’ve been tellin you for 10 years, YOU’RE NOT TO WHITE TO BE AN ALFA!

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    Thank you, Troofie. These idiots posting, like Whiskers, wonder why they have problems with the ladies!

    Chubby White Boy might have problems with them too...until the music starts. His dance card will fill pretty quickly.
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  79. Truth says:
    @Anon
    I find dancing to the stupidest activity. I get it from an evolutionary angle. How music and dance have been part of bonding, warfare, courtship, and etc.

    Still, I find dancing to be stupid. I only like Gene Kelly in SINGING IN RAIN and YOUNG GIRLS OF ROCHEFORT. Rest of dancing can be flushed down the toilet for all I care.

    Animals don't dance. Good for them.

    Still, I find dancing to be stupid. I only like Gene Kelly in SINGING IN RAIN and YOUNG GIRLS OF ROCHEFORT. Rest of dancing can be flushed down the toilet for all I care.

    You haven’t liked any dancing since 1967?

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    He's dancin', he's dancin'.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA259ZV8fjo
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  80. Truth says:
    @Duke of Qin
    Blacks are not actually very good professional dancers. They have several physical advantages such as relatively longer and more gracile limbs (well those of East African Neotic ancestry), dark skin which better shows off their musculature, and a natural sense of rhythm. However this is all undermined by their lack of mental toughness, discipline, and a low tolerance for pain. Their theatricality could also use some work, which is usually ignored in lieu of their physical advantages.

    Blacks are not actually very good professional dancers. They have several physical advantages such as… dark skin which better shows off their musculature,

    I don’t know, Sport I think you’ve been watching dance-themed Porn, recently. Maybe Dick Swingin’ in the Rain, or A Whore’s Line?

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    Skin tones show up differently under stage lighting. Strong lights tend to wash out details, hence the pounds of makeups to accentuate facial features that people wear on stage. Pale skin also gets tends to get washed out under such lighting while darker skin is more clearly visible and shows more definition. This is why competitive body builders all bronze themselves even the black ones due to the lights and flash photography in order to appear on more muscular.
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  81. Truth says:
    @Anonymous

    Blacks are not actually very good professional dancers. They have several physical advantages such as relatively longer and more gracile limbs (well those of East African Neotic ancestry), dark skin which better shows off their musculature, and a natural sense of rhythm. However this is all undermined by their lack of mental toughness, discipline, and a low tolerance for pain. Their theatricality could also use some work, which is usually ignored in lieu of their physical advantages.
     
    Exactly. If blacks were de facto better at dancing, you'd see a lot more of them on "dancing with the stars." But you don't, for the reasons stated above. They can accelerate in the athletic aspects of dance, but subtlety isn't a common black attribute.

    That is, we'll likely never see a black answer to Fred Astaire.

    Even Michael Jackson, who had a rudimentary grasp on subtlety. . . If you've ever been to one of his concerts, you'd notice that after a short time, he begins repeating himself. He runs out of moves. His later videos were boring parodies of himself. Familiar, worn out spectacle for the proles. Fred Astaire rarely had that issue throughout his career.

    White dancers can take dance to the level of art. Blacks will generally always remain athletic tacticians. Athletic showboaters relying on spectacle, or a white choreographer.

    Fred Astaire rarely had that issue throughout his career.

    LOL, I don’t remember Fred Astaire doing 119 city tours; or making videos for 4 albums, but then, it was before my time

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  82. Truth says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    One note about love marriages (Pride) versus arranged (Fiddler): societies with love marriages have a greater frequency and importance of dances (ref below).
     
    Utah has always been a hotbed of ballroom dancing. It's about the only worldly vice the Mormons allow their kids.

    And they do have a lot of them. After they fall in love on the dance floor.

    Utah has always been a hotbed of ballroom dancing. It’s about the only worldly vice the Mormons allow their kids.

    Yeah, the young girls see the young boy’s dance skills and fall in love…

    …With the Boy’s Daddies!

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    Yeah, the young girls see the young boy’s dance skills and fall in love…

    …With the Boy’s Daddies!

     

    I was talking about Utah's Mormons, not Arizona's.
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  83. biz says:
    @Selvar
    (((Something))) tells me he'll be let off much easier than a goy making the same sort of comment regarding racial differences. No groveling or career ending blacklist for him. I do like his in your face attitude about it though. Very Trumpish.

    Damn if you do, damned if you don’t.

    If he ultimately gets dismissed from his position because of these remarks, it will be yet more evidence of how Jews are PC leftists. Whereas if he keeps the position, it will be evidence of Jewish hypocrisy and protecting their own. Or If he had never made the remarks it would be evidence of Jews being true believers in and pushers of blank-slatism. Or if he made the remarks but then retracted them, Jewish scheming and cynicism. etc.

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    Of course.

    That's why, instead of arguing with people about what they think is the point, it is interesting to think about what actually IS the reason for their emotional beliefs.

    We all know of course that, given enough time, and mother will come up with an explanation for what her son is a Good Boy regardless of what he did. And she will believe it.

    Because she is his mommy.

    Now, why do antisems hate Jews? I mean Really why?

    No one knows how far back the Passover Haggada goes but it's taken as a given there

    שלא אחד בלבד עמד עלינו לכלותינו אלא שבכל דור ודור עומדים עלינו לכלותינו

    (that jew haters are eternal)

    This isn't the place to enter into an encyclopedic speculation about the reasons comma but obviously what you said is true. People believe what they believe and you cannot convince them out of it based on facts. They will always believe what they believe and you wouldn't take them too seriously.
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  84. And White people can march better than black people…or any other people, for that matter.

    For some collective memory reason, Klein Mortifies himself with these thoughts…but he really shouldn’t.

    I understand him completely.

    Life is not easy when your own parents decide to name you “Little Dead”.

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  85. @Anon
    I find dancing to the stupidest activity. I get it from an evolutionary angle. How music and dance have been part of bonding, warfare, courtship, and etc.

    Still, I find dancing to be stupid. I only like Gene Kelly in SINGING IN RAIN and YOUNG GIRLS OF ROCHEFORT. Rest of dancing can be flushed down the toilet for all I care.

    Animals don't dance. Good for them.

    How music and dance have been part of bonding, warfare, courtship, and etc.

    Dancing was a way for pre-writing cultures to transmit knowledge. Your evolutionary-angle examples descend from knowledge transfer.

    Rest of dancing can be flushed down the toilet for all I care.

    Thankfully your cares are not dispositive.

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  86. Trelane says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    They reuse that same set way too much.

    I know right? I saw Floyd’s Mayberry barber shop in one episode.

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  87. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Whiskey
    The thing with dances is they favor: extroverted, exhibitionist males with good aesthetic sense and coordination in rhythm to music. That also can keep time and LIKE lots of attention focused on them. In other words **GAY**. Or female, same thing.

    Mr. Darcy as you will recall, did not fare well during the dance, making a negative impression despite his wealth on Elizabeth Bennett who much preferred the bounder character who ended up running of with her young sister.

    This makes alcohol at dances pretty much mandatory, as it takes a lot of booze to loosen up male inhibitions and even more to make ordinary dudes lacking the top 5% of charisma and charm and extraversion to ordinary women: call it vodka glasses. A dry society will naturally favor just the few sorta gay dudes who are good at dancing and posing, think John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever.

    No wait, Travolta is a bad example, being as how he is the very model of bluff, John Wayne style straight masculinity. Well, you know what I'm talking about, and its not thetans either.

    Bottom line, dancing is for chicks and gays. Like Mailer said, Tough Guys Don't Dance. And Chuck Norris don't disco.

    I’m pretty surprised more people here don’t agree with Whiskey.

    Here’s a study which showed that homosexuals are more than 50% of male professional dancers.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9251839

    And the overwhelmingly gay audience of Broadway musicals is just more evidence that supports the commonsense conclusion that dancing is an activity for chicks and gay men. The polar opposite of Nascar or football or physics, one might say.

    Granted, straight men who dance do well with women. But it is by no means a masculine archetype.

    I wonder if a lot of the pro-dancing commenters here are just old dudes who remember dancing as part of their socialization in childhood.

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    I used to think I needed to learn to dance to pick up women. Then Tinder came along and all I needed to do was literally lift a finger.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Whiskey's pretty extreme in general, but very entertaining. I wonder what some of the female readership of SS think of him.
    , @Corvinus
    "Granted, straight men who dance do well with women. But it is by no means a masculine archetype."

    The authors here say differently.

    http://www.artofmanliness.com/2011/10/04/the-four-archetypes-of-the-mature-masculine-the-lover/
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  88. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    I'm pretty surprised more people here don't agree with Whiskey.

    Here's a study which showed that homosexuals are more than 50% of male professional dancers.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9251839

    And the overwhelmingly gay audience of Broadway musicals is just more evidence that supports the commonsense conclusion that dancing is an activity for chicks and gay men. The polar opposite of Nascar or football or physics, one might say.

    Granted, straight men who dance do well with women. But it is by no means a masculine archetype.

    I wonder if a lot of the pro-dancing commenters here are just old dudes who remember dancing as part of their socialization in childhood.

    I used to think I needed to learn to dance to pick up women. Then Tinder came along and all I needed to do was literally lift a finger.

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  89. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Truth

    Still, I find dancing to be stupid. I only like Gene Kelly in SINGING IN RAIN and YOUNG GIRLS OF ROCHEFORT. Rest of dancing can be flushed down the toilet for all I care.
     
    You haven't liked any dancing since 1967?

    He’s dancin’, he’s dancin’.

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  90. @Anonymous

    Blacks are not actually very good professional dancers. They have several physical advantages such as relatively longer and more gracile limbs (well those of East African Neotic ancestry), dark skin which better shows off their musculature, and a natural sense of rhythm. However this is all undermined by their lack of mental toughness, discipline, and a low tolerance for pain. Their theatricality could also use some work, which is usually ignored in lieu of their physical advantages.
     
    Exactly. If blacks were de facto better at dancing, you'd see a lot more of them on "dancing with the stars." But you don't, for the reasons stated above. They can accelerate in the athletic aspects of dance, but subtlety isn't a common black attribute.

    That is, we'll likely never see a black answer to Fred Astaire.

    Even Michael Jackson, who had a rudimentary grasp on subtlety. . . If you've ever been to one of his concerts, you'd notice that after a short time, he begins repeating himself. He runs out of moves. His later videos were boring parodies of himself. Familiar, worn out spectacle for the proles. Fred Astaire rarely had that issue throughout his career.

    White dancers can take dance to the level of art. Blacks will generally always remain athletic tacticians. Athletic showboaters relying on spectacle, or a white choreographer.

    To be honest, the dance in Dancing with the Stars is mostly third rate. The actors abilities are generally limited and even the professionals are not exceptional. The young talent on So You Think You can Dance is generally much better.

    Your second point touches on the Black facility for improvisation. They are extremely adept at dancing without set choreography, but that is generally not my cup of tea. My tastes generally run towards nations folkloric and character dances as well as contemporary ballet. I like structure and form in my dancing. Martha Graham maybe the icon of modern Dance, but like Luther she inadvertently opened a Pandora’s box to the degeneration of contemporary dance to its sad present state of being a singular vessel for the egomaniac vanities and “muh feels” of young dancers.

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  91. @Truth

    Blacks are not actually very good professional dancers. They have several physical advantages such as... dark skin which better shows off their musculature,
     
    I don't know, Sport I think you've been watching dance-themed Porn, recently. Maybe Dick Swingin' in the Rain, or A Whore's Line?

    Skin tones show up differently under stage lighting. Strong lights tend to wash out details, hence the pounds of makeups to accentuate facial features that people wear on stage. Pale skin also gets tends to get washed out under such lighting while darker skin is more clearly visible and shows more definition. This is why competitive body builders all bronze themselves even the black ones due to the lights and flash photography in order to appear on more muscular.

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    So, what, you've seen dudes on TV dancing in speedos?
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  92. Truth says:
    @Duke of Qin
    Skin tones show up differently under stage lighting. Strong lights tend to wash out details, hence the pounds of makeups to accentuate facial features that people wear on stage. Pale skin also gets tends to get washed out under such lighting while darker skin is more clearly visible and shows more definition. This is why competitive body builders all bronze themselves even the black ones due to the lights and flash photography in order to appear on more muscular.

    So, what, you’ve seen dudes on TV dancing in speedos?

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  93. Corvinus says:
    @Opinionator
    However, as he means it–Chinese, Koreans, Japanese–it is almost certainly correct, even if those groups tend to lag behind whites in true “outside the box” thinking.

    By conceding that those groups may lag behind European Americans in those intellectual measures, you have conceded that the reason I gave may be correct.

    And even there, how great is our “outside the box” thinking if it involves dreaming up shit like importing hostile foreigners into our lands?

    The sociability traits of Northern Europeans (trust, cooperation, rule of law; altruism) that have allowed them to create societies that Chinese and Indians are eager to partake of also help make them vulnerable to manipulation. But the main reason we are importing hostile foreigners is due to coercion.

    “The sociability traits of Northern Europeans (trust, cooperation, rule of law; altruism) that have allowed them to create societies that Chinese and Indians are eager to partake of also help make them vulnerable to manipulation.”

    Those traits are universal. Northern Europeans and Asians are trustful and trustworthy. However, each culture expresses those traits differently. Europeans tend to be ready to “make deals”, Asians tend to be ready to “discuss deals”. In this specific case, there is a “courtship” that takes place–lunches, meetings, excursions. During this process, trust is built by listening and evaluating their potential business partners. They are in the process of determining whether they want to conduct financial activities. Americans tend to offer too many details too soon.A savvy Swede, Finn, Briton, Canadian, and South African recognizes this pattern of behavior, is patient, and then consummates the deal that lasts several years or decades.

    Here is an interesting article regarding altruism and the Chinese. Educate yourself.

    http://www.euromoney.com/Article/3708360/Philanthropy-gears-up-with-Asian-altruism.html

    “Asia now has the most high net-worth individuals in the world and the largest amount of high net-worth wealth, according to Capgemini’s World Wealth Report 2016. It also seems to boast the highest level of altruism. While the US may be seen as the global leader when it comes to philanthropy, the majority of high net-worth individuals in the US say their passion for giving is driven by their own internal satisfaction.”

    “But the main reason we are importing hostile foreigners is due to coercion.”

    No. Immigrants have come to our nation because our representatives in Congress set forth the criteria that reflected the will of the people. Certainly, the House and Senate has the liberty to change that criteria to limit or reduce certain groups of people.

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  94. Moshe says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    I've read the Tevye the Milkman stories (the inspiration for Fiddler on the Roof) in English translation. Tevye's daughters are symbolic of the ideological solutions that Eastern European Jews were adopting as modernization swept over the stetls and ghettoes. As I remember, one daughter marries a Zionist and emigrates to Israel, another marries and emigrates to America, a third warms her father's heart by marrying an echte Yid and staying near home. I can't recall how the other daughter (or was it daughters) wound up. But the basic theme behind the stories was pretty clear. As I remember courtship rituals played not so much of a role in the stories. The crises always occurred after Tevye learned of each daughter's plans.

    By the way, and off-topic: It never ceases to amaze me how few Jews of my acquaintance have bothered to read these classics which are well-written, entertaining, and informative. I'm suspicious one reason may be that most of Yiddish literature with which I'm familiar (all in translation) is pretty much indifferent to Zionism's siren song.

    There was a follow-up non sholem aleichem where the guy converts and becomes frum and moves to israel, v’chulei.

    As for reading him, I don’t read much fiction but when I deign to do so I prefer it be something that isn’t from a sub-sub genre of literature. I wish chassidim read some of the awesome Yiddish literature and philosophy of the 19th century but, in truth, their escapees are in fact the only ones who do (stray academics aside).

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  95. Moshe says:
    @Sushi musashi
    In behavior maybe so, but in music I don't know. Turks are largely white, and they've historically had the love of forcible buggery and edged weapons that one would expect from an islamified warrior society... but their music still sounds distinctly civilized... The polyrythmic grunting I heard in that video, was not merely the sound of a violent culture... it was the sound of primitives getting carried away with themselves... a manifestation of very strange subjective states. Hopefully if Christians turn warlike again, it'll sound more " je nus Hons pris" less "shimmy shimmy ya"

    To a point my friend, to a point.

    First if all the edged weaponed Turks are rather Asiatic. And the citizenry of Turkey is a mixed multitude of all sorts

    More relevant though this wasn’t music, it was Zikr. And it is done in Turkey as well. The thing is a rare Sufi experience but perhaps less rare before the special Orders were declared illegal a hundred years ago.

    As for taste, I happen to like it quite a bit. Meditative group singing/chanting is the very very best.

    And again, this wasn’t music, it was Zikr. And Zikr is great.

    Le elah el alah

    alah alah alah alah alah alah

    Also, Sufis are generally less violent than other Muslims. Particularly today.

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  96. Moshe says:
    @biz
    Damn if you do, damned if you don't.

    If he ultimately gets dismissed from his position because of these remarks, it will be yet more evidence of how Jews are PC leftists. Whereas if he keeps the position, it will be evidence of Jewish hypocrisy and protecting their own. Or If he had never made the remarks it would be evidence of Jews being true believers in and pushers of blank-slatism. Or if he made the remarks but then retracted them, Jewish scheming and cynicism. etc.

    Of course.

    That’s why, instead of arguing with people about what they think is the point, it is interesting to think about what actually IS the reason for their emotional beliefs.

    We all know of course that, given enough time, and mother will come up with an explanation for what her son is a Good Boy regardless of what he did. And she will believe it.

    Because she is his mommy.

    Now, why do antisems hate Jews? I mean Really why?

    No one knows how far back the Passover Haggada goes but it’s taken as a given there

    שלא אחד בלבד עמד עלינו לכלותינו אלא שבכל דור ודור עומדים עלינו לכלותינו

    (that jew haters are eternal)

    This isn’t the place to enter into an encyclopedic speculation about the reasons comma but obviously what you said is true. People believe what they believe and you cannot convince them out of it based on facts. They will always believe what they believe and you wouldn’t take them too seriously.

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  97. Svigor says:

    Membership has its privileges:

    Contacted by the Forward on Monday, Klein said that his joke was not racist because it invoked a positive stereotype. “That I attribute a talent that one people have over another? That’s racist? That’s a positive thing,” Klein said. “If people say that Asians Jews Whites are smarter on average than other people in America, that is not racist. That is simply something that most people know happens to be the case. People like you, Josh, you should really be ashamed of even calling me about this.”

    Klein said that he did not consider positive stereotypes about Jews offensive. “If people say Jews are better businessmen or are very good financially Europeans are better at creating countries other groups want to move to, I consider that a positive thing to say,” he said. …

    “I don’t even think about difference in colors,” Klein said. “Except I recognize that whites cannot compete with blacks in basketball Blacks cannot compete with Jews at intellectual pursuits …

    Damn if you do, damned if you don’t.

    If he ultimately gets dismissed from his position because of these remarks, it will be yet more evidence of how Jews are PC leftists. Whereas if he keeps the position, it will be evidence of Jewish hypocrisy and protecting their own. Or If he had never made the remarks it would be evidence of Jews being true believers in and pushers of blank-slatism. Or if he made the remarks but then retracted them, Jewish scheming and cynicism. etc.

    Nah, it’s pretty much just damned if they don’t. If Jews roundly condemn him, fire him, and unperson him, they won’t be damned. They’ll be following their own, ostensible, rules. He’s a right-winger, so this (the round condemnation, and un-personing, at least) should be at least twice as likely to be his fate, ceteris paribus.

    But it won’t.

    Maybe you should brush up on your anti-Semitism?

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  98. @Truth

    Utah has always been a hotbed of ballroom dancing. It’s about the only worldly vice the Mormons allow their kids.
     
    Yeah, the young girls see the young boy's dance skills and fall in love...

    ...With the Boy's Daddies!

    Yeah, the young girls see the young boy’s dance skills and fall in love…

    …With the Boy’s Daddies!

    I was talking about Utah’s Mormons, not Arizona’s.

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  99. Brutusale says:
    @Truth

    The thing with dances is they favor: extroverted, exhibitionist males with good aesthetic sense and coordination in rhythm to music. That also can keep time and LIKE lots of attention focused on them. In other words **GAY**.
     
    Wiskers, for Cryin' out loud, Son, I've been tellin you for 10 years, YOU'RE NOT TO WHITE TO BE AN ALFA!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtVLz8QwZfc

    Thank you, Troofie. These idiots posting, like Whiskers, wonder why they have problems with the ladies!

    Chubby White Boy might have problems with them too…until the music starts. His dance card will fill pretty quickly.

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  100. Svigor says:

    No one knows how far back the Passover Haggada goes but it’s taken as a given there

    שלא אחד בלבד עמד עלינו לכלותינו אלא שבכל דור ודור עומדים עלינו לכלותינו

    (that jew haters are eternal)

    So, Jews had baked their behavior into their cake at least that far back.

    Food for thought: who’s more likely to be the problem; the guy, or everybody the guy meets over his lifetime?

    This isn’t the place to enter into an encyclopedic speculation about the reasons comma but obviously what you said is true. People believe what they believe and you cannot convince them out of it based on facts. They will always believe what they believe and you wouldn’t take them too seriously.

    Obviously that sword cuts both ways.

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  101. @Anonymous
    I'm pretty surprised more people here don't agree with Whiskey.

    Here's a study which showed that homosexuals are more than 50% of male professional dancers.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9251839

    And the overwhelmingly gay audience of Broadway musicals is just more evidence that supports the commonsense conclusion that dancing is an activity for chicks and gay men. The polar opposite of Nascar or football or physics, one might say.

    Granted, straight men who dance do well with women. But it is by no means a masculine archetype.

    I wonder if a lot of the pro-dancing commenters here are just old dudes who remember dancing as part of their socialization in childhood.

    Whiskey’s pretty extreme in general, but very entertaining. I wonder what some of the female readership of SS think of him.

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  102. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous
    I'm pretty surprised more people here don't agree with Whiskey.

    Here's a study which showed that homosexuals are more than 50% of male professional dancers.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9251839

    And the overwhelmingly gay audience of Broadway musicals is just more evidence that supports the commonsense conclusion that dancing is an activity for chicks and gay men. The polar opposite of Nascar or football or physics, one might say.

    Granted, straight men who dance do well with women. But it is by no means a masculine archetype.

    I wonder if a lot of the pro-dancing commenters here are just old dudes who remember dancing as part of their socialization in childhood.

    “Granted, straight men who dance do well with women. But it is by no means a masculine archetype.”

    The authors here say differently.

    http://www.artofmanliness.com/2011/10/04/the-four-archetypes-of-the-mature-masculine-the-lover/

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  103. […] “The more ‘simply a fact’ something is, the less you are supposed to mention it.” “Jewish Leader Says ‘Blacks Are Much Better Dancers’,” Forward, April 10, […]

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